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[Assistant] The 49ers are going to finish first at the Eagle Stone, and the Giants are falling out.


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[Assistant] I know. That's why I worded it so vaguely so you wouldn't know what I was saying.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's do some quick headers. The 49ers shut out the Saints. I mean, I have zero to say about this game other than when can we see James Winston again, Breach? Never.


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[Assistant] Dalton never. He didn't play bad. Andy Dalton didn't, but I mean, what do you have to, who cares at this point?


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[Assistant] You talk about the way the Falcons lost. I mean, the same thing happened with the Saints with, with, uh, Alvin Kamara down there at the one inch line.


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[Assistant] Imagine that. That's where we're at in the conversation. Like no Jimmy G in the season. The season's over. It was supposed to be no Jimmy G the whole entirety of the season.


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[Assistant] So here, hold on, before we keep going, how many passing yards did Bryce Perkins have in the first half?


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[Assistant] You talk about Jimmy G being the key to success in San Francisco.


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[Assistant] I thought this should have gotten 2 out as soon as it got split in half late in the second quarter there. He stayed in for a little while longer.


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[Assistant] Um, he was in there in the middle of the third quarter taking hits as well, getting sacked. So I mean, I get it, but at some point, if he gets hurt, that's a wrap. Breach, since coming back from concussion protocol, which has been five games, what is to his record?


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[Assistant] Here's another fun fact, Breach. Both the Dolphins and the Bills are 8 and 3. The Bills are 0 and 2 in the division.


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[Assistant] I'd do a win over the Broncos, Wilson Duterte. The Sam D train.


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[Assistant] By the way, here's what I, here's what I wrote after, uh, Darnold carved up the, that sorry excuse of a Broncos team. Defense is actually good. The, the offense. Don't fall for Sam Darnold.


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[Assistant] But, uh, you look good, man. He had a great touch pass, uh, late in the first quarter to DJ Moore. Um, it looked like USC.


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[Assistant] Hold on before we get into that. The Broncos are averaging 14.2 points per game this season. Second worst in franchise history through 11 games. You have to go back to 1966. So to Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] I don't know, but you can't cut them. So guess who's getting fired.


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[Assistant] Breeze, do you think that's an attractive job? Yeah. I don't know man.


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[Assistant] But here's the other thing. We were making fun of Pete Carroll until September in that season opener against Seattle.


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[Assistant] So why all of a sudden is this an attractive job when you know that Russ Wilson allegedly is probably a pain in the ass to work with?


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, I'll stand by what I said when he got the job though. He could go undefeated and he ain't getting that job.


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[Assistant] All right, Breach, I'll say Jacober sets a winner because this is last, this farewell game even though he should continue to start.


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[Assistant] But he went out with a bang, he beat Tom Brady in overtime. Tom Brady is 14-3, 13-4 in overtime before that game.


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[Assistant] Oh, my loser. It's a two for one breach. Cliff Kingsbury and Kyla Murray, the weekly losers on this.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's good. Oh, another winner? Rick Spielman, cause he gets to be in a podcast with me going forward.


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[Assistant] My loser, me, I got the name of the podcast wrong with the first pick, not with the next pick. Oh, that's a shame where the next pick is better.


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[Assistant] Well, I was thinking today, I was like, Brinton averages two compliments per year for Wilson and he gave like four today. Uh, so I knew things were getting out of hand when he doubled the total.


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[Assistant] It felt like he has a guy who tells him when to call time out and like maybe that guy's, uh, headset broke. Uh, but he's like, I don't know what to do. Uh, this guy's supposed to tell me what to do because there's no way you can go through this whole final two minute segment and not call a single time out until there's 30 seconds left. Uh, number one,


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[Assistant] I would have called a timeout when Matt Ryan got sacked. You have three of them. If there's only one timeout, I get that you're going to be a little more careful about when you use it. When you have all three, you cannot let, just sit there and let seconds bleed off the clock. I think almost


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[Assistant] After Matt Ryan got sacked, uh, after the scramble, how do you not call a timeout there? Your quarterback just ran for 15 yards. He dove forward. He's got to regroup and, and not only would calling a timeout there help, but then you get to pick a better play for third and three instead of something that the Steelers were absolutely ready for.


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[Assistant] Well, I think once you get under 40 seconds, you're not trying to preserve another possession. You have to assume you're going to score there, you're losing. So you do get to a point where if you have three timeouts and the Steelers get the ball back with 12 seconds left, like the game's over. It doesn't matter that you have your three timeouts. You have to use them. Like there's a, there's a point of no return where you have to start using them.


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[Assistant] He is just replicating Frank Reich. Lost the game 24-17. Frank Reich lost the game by the exact score of 24-17. Lost the game 17-16. Frank Reich lost the score by the exact score of 17-16 this year. We're scoring back down the Frank Reich path.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's true, and- Right, it's Kingsbury's the answer. And Jeff Saturdays is 333.


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, he looked better in this game. That's for sure. He looked more accurate. He looked more confident. You know, he wasn't blowing anyone away. I think he only threw for 174, 175 yards. But...


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[Assistant] If you're the Steelers, all you want to see is improvement from him every week, and I think we're starting to see that. But, from the perspective of, am I concerned that Kenny Pickett's going to be winning, uh, division titles every year starting next season? No, I am not.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying that like, this isn't a Ben Roethlisberger situation. This isn't, uh, other quarterbacks that have kind of dominated a division. This is, the Steelers will have to build a good team around him. I don't, he's not going to be a Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen who's carrying teams to division titles. Steelers can win with him.


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[Assistant] Well, it doesn't matter, uh, what place Matt Canada's calling when Benny freaking Snell's coming in to save the day.


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[Assistant] That's crushes your game. So if his foot isn't a hundred percent, if his any part of his lower body is not a hundred percent, it's going to hurt what he can do. It's going to hurt his production. And like you said, Wilson, you have Benny Snell and McFarlane going in both averaging more than five yards per carry and, uh,


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[Assistant] Nadje can't do anything. It just really, he didn't look like he had that, that burst of speed, uh, once he got the ball. And then once Snell and McFarlane went in there, it was just like, wow, there is definitely a difference. And it did feel like that maybe Harris is dealing with something.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm gonna say they're, what, the Colts are 4-7-1 and the Steelers. I'm gonna say the Steelers.


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[Assistant] We had this discussion about percentages that one time when you guys threw me under the bus, now I'm throwing you under the bus.


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[Assistant] But they had- At the time the Colts got their first burst down, they were already trailing 13 to nothing.


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[Assistant] You know, it's funny because I do feel like that probably plays in the situation. When you get to assess it after the fact,


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[Assistant] That's easy to do and uh, I mean also in the fact because we were all sitting at home saying please call timeout, please call timeout. Joe Buck was sitting in the booth saying please call timeout. Troy Aiken was saying dude you need to call timeout so you know.


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[Assistant] Feels like it was too big. This was the first time he had been in a situation like this. And you know, these seconds, they're just seconds. They keep ticking. And by the time you start thinking about it,


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[Assistant] And 10 seconds have ticked off and you're like, no, I can't take the time out now because we've already burnt 10 seconds. We just need to run the next play. It just, you know, it just operates so quickly and you have to make these snap decisions. And these are snap decisions that he's not necessarily prepared to make because he hasn't had to do it yet.


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[Assistant] Uh, no. The Bengals have a difficult schedule and the Colts would not be a difficult thing.


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[Assistant] A winning coach, a winning playoff coach, a winning coach that was proven to come in with our franchise.


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[Assistant] There's no question about that. I, you know, uhm, you know, honestly, it, you know, uhm,


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[Assistant] Sort of thing, you know, I, I, I just know, uhm, you know, look at, you know,


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[Assistant] Chris was highly sought after when he came here. It was a great indication to this organization that he wanted to come here because he could have gone anywhere he wanted. You know, he's been executive the year before and you guys can try to diminish him all you want.


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[Assistant] But that's just your words. They have no substance to it because there's no truth in it. I mean, the guy's a winner and he's been immensely successful. You know, no one's perfect in this game. We all lose a lot in this league. You know how many shots Michael Jordan's missed? You know how many games Michael Jordan's lost?


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[Assistant] What's going on, Will? Happy Thanksgiving. We're in the week, it's fine. It's like you round up or round down. It's like yeaah, you're there.


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[Assistant] I'm totally out of whack. I'm right there with you. I wrote a story today and this is Tuesday about the injury reports for Wednesday thinking it was Wednesday. I'm like setting it all up like ready to go.


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[Assistant] Not complaining whatsoever, but you know, when you have a couple of HQ hits and, and writing, covering games, it's probably not the best to have about, you know, 10 Bud lights beforehand.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and just, yeah, I mean, you know, again, tweets their own, it's, it's, I don't know if it's gonna make a whole world of difference, but at the same time, if you're gonna be there in a few days, might as well just make life a little bit easier in terms of traveling. Who knows, maybe they get another 75 feet of snow.


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[Assistant] Well yeah, I mean, you know, you just kind of referenced it a little bit there. It does feel like the Lions are catching a lot of steam and you look obviously in the totality of the season and you say, okay, well this team defensively isn't that great. You know, they're, they're lasting in points per game, yards per game, EPA per game.


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[Assistant] But over the last few weeks, they've been pretty frisky. Over the last three games, 19 points per game allowed.


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[Assistant] Seven takeaways, which is more than their previous games throughout the early promotions of the season. The opponent passer rating is 70.6 and the pressure rate is at 39% as opposed to 30% in the seven games prior.


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[Assistant] And so you do wonder, all right, you know, if you're catching at the time, 10 points against the team that's trending in the right direction at home. Yeah, that, that feels a little good. I don't know.


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[Assistant] I feel like Buffalo still inside. They were in a neutral site technically last week. I think they were like an 8 point, uh, 8 point favorite there. They were still able to cover but did start out a little bit slow.


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[Assistant] With this being nine and a half, nine, wherever you can find it, I still think I might go with Buffalo here, but I don't love it. It's just a lean here for me because I think Detroit's a little frisky.


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[Assistant] Inside with Josh Allen, it just feels a little, little dangerous.


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[Assistant] Well, I was, that's what I was going to counter with it just a little bit, but quickly too, just if, if people want to take the Lions and need something to feel good about, they are seven and two against the spread in their last nine home games. So they do play well or keep these games close.


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[Assistant] You're looking at it in some degree and saying, hey listen, I'm going to show out here. I'm going to go all out and reinsert myself back into that conversation. I don't think he can do anything that puts him as the betting favorite after this game, but he could still put himself back in that conversation with a baller outing.


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[Assistant] I was talking about it today too. It's crazy that we're already at Thanksgiving. I feel like I was at Pat's camp like a month ago.


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[Assistant] 31 points in the last two weeks. Scoring the football hasn't been their problem. I mean, there were portions of the year where they were the highest scoring offense in the NFL. They have the ability to do that and to put up points and to keep teams honest.


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[Assistant] It's been the issue for them in terms of their win loss record has been their defense. And now that it's playing well, there's a reason why the people are looking at them as a live dog at home.


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[Assistant] Interesting, cause I felt like they were using him a little bit more too in that game last week, so.


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[Assistant] I mean, I just did a deep dive on the New York Giants on the site today and wondering if their season's over. And you really just highlight the injuries that this team has.


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[Assistant] And so, you look at what the Giants have been dealing with over the last, over this game against Detroit last week. A number of injuries, handful of starters are going to be missing in this game. Wondell Robinson's out for the year for, with a torn ACL. Adori Jackson's going to be missing for this game. You might even be missing multiple players in that secondary as well.


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[Assistant] And you look at the way this offense worked last week when


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[Assistant] Taekwon Barkley is unable to run the football effectively.


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[Assistant] It just turns everything on its head and when you are forcing Daniel Jones to throw the football 44 times like they did last week, which was a season high for him, you're bound to get turnovers. He's been really good at protecting the football up until last week when he had his first multi-interception game.


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[Assistant] I think that you're dealing with something similar here against Dallas. You look at what this offensive line for the Giants is right now. They're giving up the second most pressure rate in the NFL this season. I believe that that's right. Let me just see this real quick.


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[Assistant] I believe it's the, I believe it's the second most. I can, I can find it more specifically later, but.


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[Assistant] They're allowing a ton of pressure on the quarterback. There's no receivers to speak from. And if they sell out to stop Saquon Barkley, like I think that they will, I have a hard time imagining how this, this offense is going to score points. And when you look at the offensive side of the ball for the Cowboys, they seem to be rolling with Tony Pollard and


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[Assistant] It feels like a route's about to happen in Dallas.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this feels like the, the, the route game that we're gonna see. Maybe this is the, this might be the boring game where, you know, it could be a little plucky with the, with the bills for, in the lines for a little bit, but this one does not feel like it's gonna be particularly close.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I said at the end that they seem to be destined to be a sacrificial lamb for somebody in wild card weekend just because of that hot start, even if they go under 500 down the stretch, there's a couple of games there.


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[Assistant] where they could win, you you beat in Indianapolis in week 18 with philidelfi their starters, you're lo season and you know, wha it means you're going to g opening round of the pl


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[Assistant] Still, good season by all accounts for them, but for this game in particular, it does feel like they're going to get blown out. And who knows, maybe there's some added motivation here because this is somewhat turning into the Odell Beckham bowl. And is there, is there a way here where all of a sudden Dallas beats them so bad that Odell Beckham is like, why would I ever consider going?


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[Assistant] I mean, I like Daniel Jones minus 111 to throw an interception. Oh yeaah. Like that's fun. Okay, there we go.


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[Assistant] You're just banking on, like, what we saw last week, just like, uhm, just a...


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[Assistant] I feel like that's the standard. It sits around 34 to 36. That's kinda where that is.


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[Assistant] Down multiple corners, could be a, could be an easy day for him.


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[Assistant] Plus 195 for Daniel Jones anytime touchdown isn't terrible either. He was inactive last year.


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[Assistant] Really? Maybe I'm more pessimistic just because...


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[Assistant] David Andrews go down. I believe he was at practice today. We'll see what the practice report is and what his status is going to be. There was a report that he was dealing with a season ending thigh injury, but now he's in practice. So it's very much up in the air what the center position is going to be for New England, but also issues along, you know, the tackle spots, whether it's Trent Brown being benched, Isaiah Wynn getting hurt.


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[Assistant] I just feel like the protection in front of Mac Jones is so poor right now that even a Vikings team that doesn't necessarily


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[Assistant] And I just don't have much faith in terms of what we've seen from Mac Jones so far that they'll put up many points. That's why I think I like the under in this the most. That's probably my favorite bet in this game. I don't know if I want to touch any of the sides here just because


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[Assistant] And the Patriots offense has a lot of questions and that to me just feels like a recipe for this going around us.


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[Assistant] 21-17 kind of game or something like that.


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[Assistant] But I'll say this, and, and, and this will be the defense of Kirk Cousins a little bit, and it goes into saying Christian Derrissaugh is not playing, and over the last two weeks, you're playing the team that is number one and number two in pressures.


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[Assistant] These, the Cowboys and the Patriots get after the quarterback. They can get, they can wreak havoc along the offensive lines and really, Matt Judon I think is a sleepy, sleeper defensive player of the year candidate. 13 sacks so far this season.


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[Assistant] He is spearheading what this team is doing defensively. And you even look beyond that too.


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[Assistant] Their secondary is playing well. Lowest completion percentage in the NFL going into this game, 56%. Their defense top to bottom is playing great. This is why it's so frustrating for me to watch as a Patriots follower because the offense is so putrid that if it was even a C grade overall, you'd say this team


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[Assistant] They have the 31st ranked red zone touchdown percentage in the NFL this season. The only team they're better than when they get into the red zone scoring touchdowns are the Denver Broncos who we have looked at all year.


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[Assistant] And that's, that's another big issue. Mobile quarterbacks have been so brutal to the Patriots, whether it's Lamar Jackson earlier this year, um, you know, Josh Allen historically. Say it again? Two account, little bit.


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[Assistant] A little bit, but Justin Fields would, that to me, I saw that up close and personal. That was when they really started to use those designed runs for him. And it just felt like they unlocked something, but that's been a weakness for the Patriots so much. And I guess, you know, Kirk Cousins isn't that kind of guy. So, you know, they don't really have to worry about it in this setting.


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[Assistant] But if you're going to attack this defense, and listen, they're still good against the run, but Dalvin Cook's gonna have to be a big player this week. That's what's gonna have to set them over the edge.


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[Assistant] Well, that's my, if they get gassed, it's after this primetime gauntlet, that's, that's not great.


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[Assistant] Sure. I think they're making the playoffs. It's just a matter of, alright, what does that actually mean?


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[Assistant] Right. I would say just in that example, I can envision a higher ceiling for a team like Tampa, even though the record in the place so far hasn't been great because of the quarterback and because of the things around them. I just don't see that same ceiling with Mac Jones right now.


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[Assistant] Or I should say more specifically, I don't see that ceiling with Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll go under, that kind of just goes into my sentiment here. Under team total Patriots, 20 and a half. I have a hard time envisioning them going to 20. I have a hard time of that happening. But, and so that for me is where I'm looking.


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[Assistant] That's, that's tasty. That'd be the under, right? Yeah. I mean here's his.


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[Assistant] Unless they, unless they change their entire approach, I just don't think they're doing that in a short week. I think they should run more play action for him because he's actually been very efficient in play action. I think he's got like an 8.8 yards per completion, or yards per attempt.


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[Assistant] Cools gold stats though. It just, that was a little, little...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it'd have a tough time with that. And so the one that I like, if we're looking quarterbacks too, I mean, I'm just looking at interceptions here. Kirk Cousins, prime time. He's just got to throw one and it's minus 101. That's a fun time for me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's gotta be stuffing. It's, I mean, it's such choc- I mean THAT is choc, but...


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[Assistant] Or do you say gravy is a side? Or is that a compliment? Because you can say that that's the most versatile side.


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[Assistant] And we kind of talked about it going in, obviously questioning if they can make a run or make a push for the playoffs.


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[Assistant] But for Watson specifically, you talked even too about auditioning for 2023 with the players around him. But what is the expectation for Watson now? I mean, he hasn't really played football for now for over a year, well over a year now. He played a little bit in that preseason opener, but that's really about it. And so what are we looking at here? What are we expecting to see from him?


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[Assistant] And so you're kind of going off of that too. You're talking about Nick Chubb. Do we envision the offense changing dramatically? Do we envision it changing just a little bit or, you know, until Watson gets his feet wet, then maybe they open it up a little bit more. What is the, is there any kind of sense of how it's going to change or maybe even stay the same from going from Berset to Watson?


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[Assistant] It reminded me of like Derek Henry's high school stats, where it's just video game dominance.


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[Assistant] Alright, and, and so, okay, so the Browns, four and seven on the year, six more games left on the schedule, three of them against division opponents. Where do you see them going down the stretch here record wise? Are, are they?


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[Assistant] No, and do we have word if it's going to be Davis Mills, Kyle Allen, do we even, does it matter? I mean, you know, honestly, like, this is a,


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[Assistant] Listen, we've waited so long, we've taken so much, you know what, by acquiring Watson, let's use them. Let's, let's show everybody. There is this narrative of, okay, let's show everybody.


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[Assistant] Why we decided to go through the mud and acquire this quarterback and on the quarterback side of things, let's show people why I'm worth investing $230 million fully guaranteed and why I want to go after my old team and kind of stick it to them.


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[Assistant] There is that revenge narrative on a bunch of different fronts there. So this Browns team is extremely motivated. I would, I would put this maybe even a double digits to it. I know that's crazy just because Watson hasn't played football in so long, but he's talented. This team still is good. They can run the football and this Houston Texans team more importantly, stinks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's more in play with Deshaun Watson than it would be with other players for this reason. And it's something that we should note here as we're talking about him. He's been able to be around the facility and he's been able to


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[Assistant] practice in some degree with the team, you know, not with the team specifically, but do individual drills in the terms of his suspension. He was able to come back a lot sooner than other guys like DeAndre Hopkins, for example.


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[Assistant] He had to come back like today, you know, in the grand scheme of things. Watson had a little bit of an easier transition. So I will be curious to see how comfortable he is within that offense that he's had this little bit of a cushion now that he can kind of


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[Assistant] Get back to actually playing football and being with this team. So for me that's why I think it's a little bit more likely that we do see him maybe show out a little bit more than just a normal quarterback coming back.


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[Assistant] How you doing? I gotta turn uh, turn my volume up a little bit, man. I gotta get you in here. How you been?


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, I think so. I think you're right. I think you're right. Uh, my middle name is actually Tyler, which, uh, my mom wanted to name me after my dad. My first name, my dad's first name is Tyrone, but she didn't like Tyrone as much, but she liked the tie, so it ended up being Tyler instead of that. That's what they compromised on. At least that's what I'm told, so.


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[Assistant] Should we first start off with, uh, Thursday Night Football on Amazon? I know the ratings are down. Everyone's kind of drawing that to essentially the matchups, which that's always been the issue no matter what network has had the Thursday Night Football rights.


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[Assistant] I guess the bigger question is did Amazon get duped or do you kind of see this as one where in order to be able to be a part of the NFL in any capacity or package, they kind of had to bite the bullet, go buy the rights to Thursday Night Football in order just to be a part of it, right?


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[Assistant] So I've got a little different perspective on it, and I guess it's in part because of the sports betting world.


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[Assistant] And if you think about live betting in particular, and then how most bets are placed, they're not necessarily placed in the stadium, uh, or even at a casino for that matter. By and large, you'd like to be able to increase the ability to be able to bet on someone's phone, at home, on a computer, something like that, iPad, what have you, if they are streaming it. The problem is, as we all know,


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[Assistant] Streaming can sometimes be lagging behind and that creates a big issue for a lot of the sports betting world. So I think there'll always be a place for the broadcast networks and there'll always be a place for that to some capacity. Now how long that transformation takes place, I don't know, but there's nothing.


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[Assistant] Appointment television is basically live events and sports and then news. That's what it is. Everything else you can binge watch somewhere else. So in this world of sports, I think there'll still be this desire to have broadcast networks because of the gambling industry and at least the ability to still


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[Assistant] Have those live wages, have live betting go on, which to me is the new frontier for the NFL if they want to increase revenue, right? Like you can't sell that Thursday night package for what, a billion a year? Whatever Amazon decides to pay for it or ended up paying for it. You can't sell it for that unless you feel like there's going to be something else down the road. And I think that's one of the things in my opinion.


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[Assistant] So we're sitting in our green room, because a lot of times, you know, we'll go, we're there two hours before the game starts, we toss it to the kickoff.


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[Assistant] We'll watch maybe the first series or so down on the field, but then we go back to a green room so we can watch all the games that are going on. So at halftime we have some sort of clue as to what's happening in the college football world. So uhm, that's usually the reason why we don't just stay on the field the entire game.


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[Assistant] You know, they don't, we had Apple TV set up. So we're streaming all these different games, right? Well, obviously streaming our own game. Here's the issue. At one point it had reset and it was lagging behind.


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[Assistant] So we're watching the game, everyone's kind of getting ready to go back out on the field after the game because they're going to toss down to us from the booth once the game ends, we kind of get ready to bring them to that next game, that bridge as they call it in TV. Only one problem.


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[Assistant] We were like three minutes behind, which you don't think that's like much?


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[Assistant] As soon as we walk down the stairs, we hear the victory bell going off inside the stadium. I'm looking around and obviously Matt and Reggie have no idea like what bell that is or what that means. I'm like...


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[Assistant] So we took golf carts, they like flew, like really drive down the tunnel, all this stuff, somehow we didn't hit any players or anything. People that run up the tunnel, we make it to the field, we're like sprinting across the field just to jump up on set.


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[Assistant] Uh, to be able to do our post game. But literally because of the delay in streaming, we were way off. And then we all sat there afterwards and were like, how has this not happened, like, at other points in time throughout the course of the season? It probably did, it just probably wasn't our game that was actually delayed like that.


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[Assistant] Well, the Titans are a bit banged up, but I do feel like they've been the better team for the majority of the season. Uh, maybe not necessarily to start off, but like once they got Derrick Henry going,


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[Assistant] The defense adjusted to not having a guy like Harold Landry and, and I think, look, they, they had kind of had their moments where they're making do with Malik Willis, who as we all could agree is very green. He does have some upsides, some ability to kind of scramble and make some plays, but this offense right now is better set with Ryan Tananil behind center. I don't know that anyone's going to debate that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I think going in this matchup, I would say...


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[Assistant] Tennessee does the one thing that's like Green Bay's glaring weakness, and that's the fact they can't stop the run. And you're gonna get a heavy dose of Derrick Henry.


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[Assistant] During the entire course of the game. So how's that gonna match up? And we can go back to last week and say, alright, nice win versus the Cowboys, but your body of work showcases that this is an issue for you. And this is an issue before this year. Like it's been a year after year after year, they've not been able to stop the run.


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[Assistant] So you find yourself now having to stop a guy like Derek Henry and then Ryan Tanahue who can supplement a little bit in the passing game and it's gonna be tough to stop. You're gonna have to put up points like you did versus Dallas and whether or not


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[Assistant] Christian Watson can replicate what he did last week or, or this is like his jump off point where he'll now be that wide receiver they're hoping he'll be, um, or that, that they're not gonna be able to stop Aaron Jones. Like he was a huge piece of that offense was as many touches as he got as much as they ran the football.


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[Assistant] So, look, Aaron Rodgers historically in prime time, like, don't bet against him at Lambeau, don't bet against him. They're laying three points. I don't know, man. The Titans look like a team that...


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[Assistant] To me at least, it shouldn't be a 3-point underdog. Like this should be a lot closer spread, I think based on how they match up as well.


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[Assistant] I think it's tough for any rookie wide receiver. I mean, you, you do the mock drafts every year. How many times do we see rookie wide receivers ultimately like hit the scene, hit the ground running?


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[Assistant] We weren't expecting. Uhm, I would also challenge you just, you know, while I'm talking to look up Devonta Adams' rookie year there in Green Bay, Jordy Nelson's rookie year there in Green Bay, Craig Jennings' rookie year there in Green Bay.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you go back through the years of the history of wide receivers who've been rookies in Green Bay, and it's just taking a while to kind of, you know, get ingrained within the offense, develop that chemistry with the quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, you're talking about a west coast system by and large, a lot of which is built up off of timing and rhythm. And so in doing that, you know, usually you'd say, all right.


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[Assistant] Coincides with the full work of the wide receiver. Now that's in a perfect world when you're in off coverage, when you don't have to worry about a defender putting his hands on you and disrupting your release or disrupting how you're going to be able to, you know, get to that spot that you need to get to.


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[Assistant] So for that reason, it takes a while. Whether you're talking about going up against cornerbacks who are in off coverage, or even guys who are in press man to man coverage, it takes a while to be able to develop that chemistry and that rhythm and timing with a quarterback who's also adjusting to your speed,


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[Assistant] How you break in and out of cuts, right? So he can anticipate those throws and then making sure you're both on the same page and seeing the windows that the quarterback sing. One of the things that I always would tell


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[Assistant] Young quarterback is something that I would do with my wide receivers. If they were ever having an issue, like understanding a route concept or the timing of a play, I would say, Hey, I'm going to run it. You go be quarterback, go back in a five step drop in a hitch or in shotgun three in a hitch. And I want you to throw it to me.


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[Assistant] Alright, I want you to then feel what it feels like for me and understanding like when I'm, when I'm letting go of this football. Okay. I'll be like, don't wait, just hit what hitch once and throw.


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[Assistant] All right. And then I'll run the route. Now, obviously I'm not going to be the speed of that wide receiver, but what it does is it paints a perspective for that, that wide receiver. So he understands, okay.


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[Assistant] That's how he feels or that's what he's seeing as he's releasing the football. And in most cases, the wide receiver is nowhere close to actually where he's going to be unless you're talking about quick game. So uhm, you know, that sort of exercise can be helpful.


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[Assistant] But, uh, it also helps with your quarterbacks there in the offseason to help developing some of that chemistry with one another when you're doing these sorts of things.


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[Assistant] It's not even so much that like old school west coast mentality. It's the fact that now you've messed up every single other progression in the ring.


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[Assistant] So if you are late on a hitch to your first read, guess what? Now you're late to two, you're late to three, you're late to four, you're late to five. If you have five guys out in the route, right?


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[Assistant] So now, like in a pure progression where you'd like to have all five guys incorporated as far as what your read is, then you might be reading from left to right or right to left across the field.


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[Assistant] Now you've literally ruined the timing for every single other subsequent read after that. So that's more of the issue why, while timing and rhythm and chemistry is so important when you talk about offenses that have a lot to do with timing, which most West Coast offenses do, and there's a lot of the elements within what Matt LaFleur does and what Aaron Rodgers does within that offense.


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[Assistant] That takes time, and then you're not even taking into account the fact that the field is lined different.


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[Assistant] So you go college to the NFL, you know, the hashes are wider in college, uh, the numbers are way wider in the NFL. The hashes are closer, they're off their uprights, you know, the numbers are way closer into the, towards the middle of the field.


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[Assistant] So then even how you go about spreading the field, right? Where your split is, just understanding that. Like, hey, the ball's in the near hash, I have to be on the outside edge of the numbers. Ball's in the far hash, I'm on the inside edge of the numbers. There's all these like little like nuances and things that they're all important because it all matters for spacing of the field.


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[Assistant] And when, when rookie wide receivers don't understand spacing, they don't understand the depth, they don't understand, um, you know, how, okay, if the guy's going to press me, I may have to take two yards off my route because of now the timing of the play and it's going to take me a little longer to get to the vicinity of where I need to be.


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[Assistant] There's all those little things that you've got to work on and it doesn't matter if you're an FCS guy or not, uh, or a lower division, you know, football or not.


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[Assistant] That's the big hurdle, I think, or pain point that most young receivers go through.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's seldom seen, I should say, right? Like there's only like the Chip Kelly Philadelphia Eagles era. Maybe before Nick Foles was that quarterback where


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[Assistant] He would push and have those super wide splits.


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[Assistant] That would do, it would accomplish a couple of things, right? Like the first thing you're trying to do is clear up the box cow. Like you really put the defense in a conflict because they have to decide.


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[Assistant] Do I want to play the two stacked wide receivers that are basically standing on the sideline? Or do I want to have that guy try to middle them? That is he accomplishing being a part of the, you know, stopping the run or coverage right now or is he a no man's land?


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[Assistant] So you really force the box count to identify itself. It makes it harder to pressure too, if you're trying to bring one of those guys without having to show it.


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[Assistant] And then finally, it puts your DBs on islands. I mean, especially the way Josh Hyplenite, that crew, likes to call plays, and it really goes back to like, our Brials days.


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[Assistant] Like usually you've got read routes and it's all based on how they're going to play those stack alignments. You know, if the guy's off and inside, you might be running by him. You might be running a comeback or some sort of, you know, uh, outside breaking route. If he's playing outside of you, you're probably running in and breaking route. Um, you can run screens off of that. There's all sorts of little variations of it.


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[Assistant] But a lot of it happens at the snap of the football and you've got to be able to read it on the run.


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[Assistant] And so yeah, it's difficult for a wide receiver, but it's pretty simple. They don't ask you to do a ton of things. And that's where I think it becomes a hard transition for wide receivers in that system. But then for quarterbacks, it becomes a harder transition because it's so foreign to what you're asked to do in the NFL. You know, you're not reading the same types of like tighter coverages and movement and so forth.


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[Assistant] Like you see in the NFL, uh, it's not the quite variety of routes and progressions you're going to see either.


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[Assistant] So that all plays a factor in it. Go back and look through Josh Heibel's career. And I want to say you probably have to go back to his time in Oklahoma where you could look at quarterbacks who were able to excel not only in that offense, but also at the next level.


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[Assistant] Uh, because it is such a stark contrast as compared to what you're asked to do. You can even make that case for some of the quarterbacks you play within our brials system. It's just an apples to oranges comparison. And it's not to say that it's bad.


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[Assistant] I'm fascinated to see what it would look like if you got that in the NFL on a consistent basis. I mean, you did see it a little bit from Chip Kelly and some of that early stuff he did in Philly and obviously he won 20 games at least the first two regular seasons that he was there and offensively like Nick Foles had maybe his best season ever.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, Sam Bradford had a pretty solid, you know, season plan within that system. So there's something to be said for.


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[Assistant] Being able to space the field or create space in the NFL, uhm, because a lot of people look to do that through the draft by drafting faster players or signing faster players. And then meanwhile you can just formationally do it and then you can put some of these guys on islands and isolate them.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's fascinating. It'll be fascinating to see how he's viewed. I love Henenhocher. I think he's a great kid. You can tell by the way he carries himself. He has all the tools and fundamentals. Uh, I would be fascinated to see where he ends up going. He, I know, I know this. He's high on my list when I compare like what he's done on tape and what he's done as compared to like a Will Levis who a lot of people are going to drool about because of the arm strength.


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[Assistant] How easy the ball jumps on the screen, his athleticism and all that. But then you look how bad that offense has struggled, and I know he's playing banged up, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.


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[Assistant] But still like a stark comparison between the two players and how each of the seasons have gone so far.


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[Assistant] Which I think he'll get to a little more than halfway point of the season, right? Like I think he'll get to probably like that 30-ish number. Um, and how many yards did he say he has right now? 195, is that right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, sounds about right. I mean, he hasn't obviously played and he's been a little bit banged up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was just saying, like, literally just off that way. If he's replicating that, he'll blow those numbers out of the water, but I don't think that's gonna happen. I mean, the truth is though, he'll be in that vicinity, right? As far as receptions, maybe a little further in yards, and then obviously touchdowns. If he adds a few more, he'll surpass that.


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[Assistant] That's kind of status quo, right? Like that's what we've seen from other wide receivers who've been the number one in their first year.


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[Assistant] I just think anyone who is looking at Christian Watson coming in and, and I don't care if he was a part of, you know, Alabama or, or Georgia or whatever program I'm gonna talk about, Ohio State, uh, cause those guys are studs. Maybe Ohio State is the exception, right? Cause you've got Garrett Wilson, who's coming right away, made an impact on Chris Olave too.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here. I think Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to be just fine transitioning into the NFL and Jackson Smith and Jacoba will be okay. I know he's been banged up this year, but kind of similar feeling. Maybe with the exception of the Ohio State and the job Brian Hartline does preparing those guys.


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[Assistant] Most of them, I think, get into the NFL and there's going to be a, you know, acclimation period. There's going to be a maturation process and their best football is probably still out of them. And I think that's definitely the case for Christian Watson. But as it relates to the Tennessee Titans,


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[Assistant] It should be a good matchup versus that secondary, but I don't know. The defense has played pretty well for Tennessee. You know, I, I think it'll be interesting to see, um, if, if Rogers and the Packers can replicate what they did. Cause I think a part of that is being able to run the football as much as they did with Aaron Jones and not ask them to do too much in the passing game.


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[Assistant] I think you've got both ends of the spectrum with that. Uhm, one, I love Mike Raible. I mean,


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[Assistant] He's a hell of a coach. I don't care if it's situationally, the way those guys play for him. I mean, kind of the love that he shows. Was it Ben Jones the other week? Uhm, after the game, he was just kind of hugging on him, understanding like physically what he put into that game.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's something to that. Like, I think now more than ever, especially in the NFL, you see in college, in high school.


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[Assistant] And maybe just in society, but like relationships matter, man, when they're real. And, and I think he's got that connection with the players on that team, you know, and there's not a lot of guys in the NFL who are coaches that have that, that, that sort of relationship where you ever see them show that sort of affection towards a player and have that connection. But I think he's got that with the entire locker room, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, so you've got like that end of the spectrum, spectrum. And I think, you know, in some cases, look, he's got arguably the best running back in the league. Derek Henry probably is with the exception of, in his own mind, he thinks it's Nick Chubb, which is kind of odd, but whatever.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but if you look at that roster by and large, like, it's a, it's a good roster. I don't know that we're saying it's, I don't know, is it the top 10 most talented? Is it top half maybe? I don't know where you rank it.


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[Assistant] I think he's been able to maximize that group. I mean, they've been as consistent as any team in winning football games. And you know, he deserves a lot of credit for that. And so there's like that end of it. And then there's the other end where you've got Matt LaFleur, who's I also think is a really good coach.


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[Assistant] We questioned that maybe because of the quarterback situation, because Rodgers has played so well since he's been there, but I think you gotta give LaFleur a little credit for it, right? I think you have to give him credit for how he manages the whole situation. It's almost like Phil Jackson with, whether it's with the Bulls or with the Lakers.


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[Assistant] Everyone feels like, oh, I could easily go there and be the coach and make this work. It's like, really? I don't know. I mean, look at the Brooklyn Nets right now. Look at the Los Angeles Lakers. Like just cause you have LeBron and all these, you know, all-stars doesn't mean it's going to equate to wins. Uh, and you can make the same case for the Nets and how that worked out with Steve Nash for a minute. So.


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[Assistant] I think it's, it might even be just as difficult if not more difficult when you've got a roster loaded with stars because the expectations that you're going to win. It should be a Super Bowl. It should be a long playoff run. And if you don't, you're a disappointment. Like that's gotta be a tough thing to feel every single week. Whereas if we drop a game, I mean, think about how the Packers have been viewed this year. Like we're counting them out and honestly, they're like,


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[Assistant] So I got there in 2010. So I got there after his first season. His first season was 2009.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I played for him, played a year for him. Now, I was, he was only there for 12 games. Uhm, there was the Spygate, uh, 2.0 incident in London, uhm, and then,


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[Assistant] Uhm, red hot. And then they went two and eight down the stretch. And then the next part of that next season, you know, didn't get off to a great start. And so that, that I think ultimately led along with the, uh, the Spygate thing and everything else.


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[Assistant] In that period of time, being there with him, I mean, look, he's a brilliant, brilliant coach.


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[Assistant] It goes to show you that like not, it doesn't always work out for some of the guys who are like some of the best X's and O's. Like sometimes they just inherit something that's tough or the ball doesn't bounce their way. You have some unlucky, you know, situations.


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[Assistant] That was, uh, that was a season that was really interesting because I learned a lot from him, you know, just the way he called plays and how he diagrammed things up. I would put him up against anyone. I really would, uh, as far as his offensive acumen and his ability to be able to put up stats, numbers, drives, whatever you want. Like he has the ability to do that.


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[Assistant] I didn't have them looking this bad. I mean, I think the AFC West by and large, I didn't think the Broncos were not going to be a playoff team either. And it seems like they're headed in that direction. Uhm, you know, look, there's still a lot of football left to be played in my opinion, as far as what the season can end up looking like. And I think if you look at his demise in Denver,


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[Assistant] Uhm, probably one of the issues was he took on too much responsibility. You know, he was taking on responsibility, not as the head coach, but obviously personnel decisions and all that. That's not my understanding of how this is working in Las Vegas, right? The general manager was hired first, then Josh McDaniels was kind of handpicked as that working relationship that you see so often now in the NFL, where those two are working in unison.


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[Assistant] And go back and look at Gruden's first year. What'd he start out, one in seven? Two in, two in seven, something like that. I mean.


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[Assistant] There's been some slow starts. I think Art Schell got off to a slow start when he started with the Raiders. I mean, if you go through the history of the Raiders, it's not always the worst thing. If you start off slow, you just have to eventually start winning some football games. And I think if you look at his demise and going back to Denver,


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[Assistant] Maybe one of the worst things that happens to them is that 6-0 start. Like you get 6-0, you light the world on fire, and you beat, you know, you beat your old boss and Bill Belichick, and everyone's like talking great about you. Well then when the season ends up 8-8, it feels like an awful 8-8. Like I remember like that


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[Assistant] Next year, so after Josh got fired, John Fox came in, we finished the season eight and eight, but, uh, even though we, we actually finished on a three game losing streak, but at eight and eight, it tied us for the division. We won the tiebreaker, I believe over the Raiders that year. So we ended up winning the AFC West.


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[Assistant] That was the next week, yeaah, the next week was the wild card Steelers playoff game. Yeaah, yeaah. Which was bizarre because the Steelers decided to play a defense that no one the last three weeks played and they beat us every single time with it. And so going into that game, you're like, obviously they're going to do exactly what everyone else has done to stop us. And they did.


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[Assistant] Uh, they were very stubborn about wanting to kind of play their style of defense and it ended up coming to bite them when it was all said and done. But of course we played the Patriots the next round and they just did the exact same thing they did at the end of the season to us and we stood no chance.


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[Assistant] Uh, to get back to the McDaniels, you know, part of it. I just, I think the slow start right now in the short term, we're like, man, what is happening? It sounds like there's locker room issues though. It sounds like there's some guys who aren't bought in. You know, you look at a guy like Jonathan Abram now, I know he's a, you know, previous draft pick, but for whatever reason, they want to move on from him.


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[Assistant] No, and I don't know if it's, you know, in the middle of the season, I think is what bothers me most. If it was before the season, it would make some sense, but, you know, clearly they didn't trade them, they didn't try to get rid of them before the season, they wait till they're in season to do it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so you kind of wonder, like, are people not buying in to what he's preaching or what they're pushing for? I mean, Derek Carr said that. Devonta Adams has said that. I think Josh McGann was, has alluded to that. So.


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[Assistant] I think it's going to take some time before they get this organization, like where they maybe want or need it to be. And I think last year, because they overachieved, it makes this year look bad. But I am, uh, I'm still buying what this team is capable of being. I think what they will be in the future. I think, I think if you hit the panic button now, you make a big mistake.


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[Assistant] As part of their livelihood. That's not the case for, for Mark Davis, right? He obviously has the relocation fees, everything that goes along with that.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's hard then to move on from a head coach when you just had to move on from a head coach and settle with him on whatever that payout was, general manager to the rest of the assistants. Then you're going to do that all over again. And then I think because of how you hired your general manager.


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[Assistant] You're either looking at him with a little side eye saying, well why would I trust your opinion then on the next guy since this guy didn't work out.


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[Assistant] Or, or you're just clean slate, you're moving on from all of them. So it's just, it's a really expensive proposition. I personally hate when, when owners overreact, especially in year one. It takes a while to allow this stuff to be turned around. And I know you can look at like a Kevin O'Connell with the Vikings and go, well, they're aiding one. Look at the job he's doing.


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[Assistant] Well, they weren't that bad of a football team in the past few years, you know, and they were kind of, they had a talented roster before that. It's now just maybe a coach that gets along with the quarterback and is buying into him. Weird. We see that down in Miami too. How's that working out?


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[Assistant] So maybe that's, you know, more, you know, what this has to do with than anything else. You're just getting that roster where it needs to be, where everyone's buying in.


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[Assistant] I think he wants to have probably more control over some things. I think once they get the passing game going, I mean, that's how I see it, right? Like he's saying it's not sustainable because they got to be able to put up points. So if you want to run the football bunch, if you want to hand off there and Jones a bunch, that's fine, but it puts too much pressure on our defense. We're going to be playing, we're getting less possessions because it's going to shorten the game.


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[Assistant] And so I, I do think, and look, you saw Matt LaFleur and Aaron Rodgers get into it at the end of this past week's game because


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[Assistant] You know, Aaron Rodgers is thinking, I can end this game in regulation. We're getting close to like a two minute drive and the ability to do that. So let me call the plays, let me do my thing and let's end this thing. And that wasn't the direction that Matt LaFleur, you know, elected to go.


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[Assistant] We find ourselves now in a situation where I think if you're looking at this team moving forward, I'll be curious to see tomorrow, you know, tonight, tomorrow night, depending on when you're watching this, versus the Titans, what the offense looks like. If it's going to be two teams trying to establish a line of scrimmage running the football, or if you see the Packers now trying to open things up because of what Christian Watson did this past Sunday.


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[Assistant] It's just football, I mean, you spend so much time with whoever's calling the plays, whether it's your OC, your head coach, whoever, and going over this stuff that, I mean, you, during the season, you spend more time than you do with them than your wife, your girlfriend, you know, anyone else in your life.


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[Assistant] So you're gonna have spats and you're gonna have arguments and you're gonna, it's heated, it's football, like that's just how it works. So all those things come out and, and you can't always read into them as, oh, this is like that.


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[Assistant] You know, that relationship that's, it's unable to be repaired. You know, it's just untenable at this point. It's not like that. It's just, that's football. There's a lot of emotions that go involved in it.


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[Assistant] Uh, he's gonna carry a lot of weight with what he says and what he wants to be done. Most players, it's a little different, uh, because most players aren't Aaron Rodgers and it's a little harder than to make those claims on how you think things should be run and that people are gonna listen to you. Usually you're just taking direction from the head coach. When you're paid like he is, when you've played like he is, it's a little different. It's more of working together.


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[Assistant] It was, it was like a rainstorm. It was awful weather. It's like one of those days where it was like 40 windy and raining. I mean, which is the worst to play football in. I'd rather it be 17 degrees and snowing than 40 degrees and raining.


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[Assistant] From center, uh, our center then John Sullivan snapped hard, like every single season when we first like started like training camp and all that, he would split my thumb on my right hand because he'd snap so hard, which is great though, because you want to center snaps fast. You get the ball, you get out from the center, you get on with the play.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I would literally have to, like, wait till my thumb would stop bleeding callus over at some point in the season before it'd feel normal again. But...


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[Assistant] He would snap so hard that when you're in the rain like that, and obviously you've got a ball that's fully inflated, this isn't the flake game, the New England Patriots, that thing's gonna like, it's gonna hit, and if it doesn't hit perfectly, you know, on your hand, if your hand's wet, it's gonna skip, it's gonna, it's gonna slide off to the side, you know, one way or another, it might split your hands.


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[Assistant] And so I'd fumbled a couple snaps and when I came up with the sidelines.


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[Assistant] There was, you know, some words said to me and I had some words back to him and then that was it. So, uh, yeah, we, we, we got things worked out after that, but, um, I think in that moment he realized like there was no one as frustrated as I was.


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[Assistant] Based on what was happening. Like, like, I'm fumbling a snap on national television in prime time. Like, you don't think that I'm frustrated right now with the conditions and the circumstances. Like, like, trust me. Like, I want to win this game too. I obviously want to be able to take a, you know, a snap from under center.


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[Assistant] I'm just glad the cameras didn't catch me there. Cause I would've, uh, my mom wouldn't have been proud of that moment. Yeah, your mom's proud of you, Brady.


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[Assistant] No, I think it's true. I mean, obviously, if you look at these, uh, Premier League teams, these other soccer teams that are incredible. They don't play on turf, right?


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[Assistant] Right, which makes even more sense as to why you'd want to make sure your fuel conditions are that of which are as good as they can be for your players. So it's a bit surprising from that standpoint.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think honestly though we understate the revenue that's able to be generated in the stadiums that do have turf.


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[Assistant] When you think about all the different events and things you can have there, right? If you have a turf field, you're able to have not only, you know, college games there, high school, whatever you want, whatever events you want, concerts and all that. And it's not obviously going to impact that field necessarily the way it would be if it was a natural surface. So.


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[Assistant] There's all those costs and things that I think we think of during football season where we're like, well, this isn't in the best interest of the players, but you have to also think about the rest of the year while that stadium is sitting there.


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[Assistant] Circus, I mean, there's gonna be all sorts of other things, uh, that they're gonna have at these, these venues, these stadiums. And that's gonna impact obviously the quality of the grass turf, what have you, what's down there. So, I think it's probably, they're actually able to generate a little more revenue too by having it be turf than people realize.


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[Assistant] But, I still haven't understood, like, do what Steve Busciotti did. You know, you've got a quarterback who likes to run takeoff.


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[Assistant] He's like, this isn't the best interest of my team, the long-term success for our team. I'm going to go back to grass and trust me, I remember playing on that field surf in Baltimore.


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[Assistant] You know, Heinecke is a better quarterback. I think Wentz is probably more talented, at least as a passer. But this team's playing for Heinecke. I mean, you look at the momentum that they have right now.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that when he's in there, he's a little more mobile. He creates and buys more time. They're taking less sacks. Um, he again, he's not as great of a passer, but you know, if you're able to get a little more out of the running game, not take as many negative plays, put your team in a better, in better field position, even though he is thrown about a pick a game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I think you ride this wave, you ride this momentum. It stinks because you obviously gave up something to go get them. But, uh, it's, it's hard right now because you got to climb back into the most competitive or one of the most competitive divisions in the NFL and the NFC East.


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[Assistant] I mean, both, both the AFC East and the NFC East. It's crazy to think how the season's gone this far. There's a lot of games left to be played still, but I don't know. I think he's basically saying to everyone, like, get ready. Heineken's going to be our starter for the rest of the season, even once he's back.


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[Assistant] It's such a tough task though too. I mean, you're asking him to go from Philly to Indy to...


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[Assistant] Again, I digress. I just think he's also been put in a tough spot. Like I will give him the benefit of the doubt in that regard.


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[Assistant] Oh wait, think about the first three weeks of his NFL career when they beat Pittsburgh in week three. They named it Wensilvania, right? They had the early bye week four.


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[Assistant] And at that point, like he was a, you know, he was the man. And I, I almost, I kind of talked about like the start for Josh McDaniels in Denver. And then the two and a finished that first season. It kind of played into his demise. I wonder how much that too, like just


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[Assistant] And he never really was able to recoup and be the same type of athlete that he was, uh, at least at the quarterback spot like we saw that season.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I mean, you tell me. I mean, either I'm a fish and I'm on the hook for this one or it's, it's a bad matchup. Someone knows something. Again, you're talking about.


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[Assistant] A Dallas Cowboys team that just lost this past week.


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[Assistant] And now they're going on the road to go play a team in the Vikings who are good football team. I mean, you beat the Buffalo Bills. And mind you, think about the things they had to overcome.


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[Assistant] A catch that wasn't by Gabe Davis. 12 men on the field at one point tried to stop Dalvin Cook that didn't get called. I mean, they had a lot of things up against them. They found a way to win that game. I'm a bit surprised by this.


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[Assistant] Call me a fish, but I'll gladly take the one point. Like if I'm the Vikings, then not that you should ever talk about sports gambling and betting. I am using this as bulletin board material as motivation saying like we are eight in one and we're playing at home.


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[Assistant] And no one can give us the decency to at least even say, hey, you guys should be laying a point or you guys should be the favorite. We're the underdog at home. That's incredible.


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[Assistant] I mean, in that offensive line group, credit Chris Cooper, offensive line coach up there in Minnesota, like they've continually come along this year. You know, they got some youth on that group and they've come along, gotten better and better. Kirk Cousins played phenomenal. We know a good Jeff, Jefferson and Thielen and even KJ Osborne, like people don't give him enough credit. And Hockinson, like he's gotten up to speed quick in this offense. It's just.


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[Assistant] They're a good team. Their defense is, is molding into what I think I've done itself once in that back end as far as the coverage. So Darius, that's one of the better edge rushers. Like all in all, like that is a good football team.


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[Assistant] I almost feel like he's making an example out of him. And there was probably something that happened, didn't get out, stayed in house. You know, when you're in a small market like Green Bay, you can keep a lot of things undercover. Like that actually ended up happening, like in, around town, right? Like a lot of people want to make sure the Packers, especially after a nice win, that there's not, there's, you know, they don't hear something about it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, sometimes I think after a win like that, and again, they're not out of it by any means, but they do have an uphill battle, sometimes you still have to send a message to the locker room, and maybe that's one where whatever he did, whether it's he, you know, didn't decide to go out and party and not show up for meetings,


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[Assistant] Right, like he's had to treat Aaron Rodgers like a unicorn and then have like everyone else.


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[Assistant] Well eventually this thing's going to turn where you've got a quarterback that's just like one of the other guys. Like you're not going to treat them different than everyone else. You're going to make them come to the offseason. You're going to make them be a part of all this. You're going to have a different working relationship. Uhm, they just happen to be, you know, they happen to have a quarterback who's a Hall of Famer currently still playing. And so that working relationship is a little different how they have to treat them.


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[Assistant] And I think this is one of those moves you make that, uh, at least in my mind, I think of what he's a, what round did they take him this year? He's a rookie if I'm not mistaken.


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[Assistant] Yep, yep. And which was odd too because like he complained, it's funny going back through his history.


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[Assistant] There were some rumblings too, like he didn't like his role within Mississippi State.


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[Assistant] And he did, and he did catch the football well and at times he was highlighted. It's funny too, cause now like they have some balance, like Leach is running the football decently well with Mississippi State now, but he has to be a second year player. I can't be losing my mind to that much.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not totally surprising. It kind of felt like this was inevitable at some point, the way that the Colts were trending 3-5-1 on the season.


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[Assistant] At a certain point, you know, obviously the Matt Ryan stuff, whether he's benched because he's injured or because they just want to move on and see what they have in Sam Ellinger because they know that he's not the future, it felt like this team was very much on the doorstep of a reset. And I think we all looked at it from a quarterback standpoint of, okay, maybe they're going to go into the draft and get somebody else.


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[Assistant] On top of that now, this hasn't really worked out for Frank right here. And you could point to the quarterback issues as being a key reason for that. But ultimately, if you're going to kind of do this hard reset, you might as well also do it at the head coaching spot. Now, could you have done it at the end of the season? Sure. But at this point now you're


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[Assistant] You're kind of looking at them and they look lifeless at this point. I mean, Sam Ellinger.


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[Assistant] 103 yards interception. They were sacked nine times in that game yesterday. It was just, you know, really just a poor showing and it has been that way for the past few weeks here for the Colts.


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[Assistant] I mean, it felt like a preseason third quarter game. I mean, that's really what it, that's really what it felt like with, you know, both of these teams, but really, Indianapolis. It looked like one team was playing the starters.


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[Assistant] And just kind of going through the motions, trying to figure out what they kind of get right. And the other one was, all right, you know what? This is our third string guy. He's, you know, maybe going to make the 53 man roster type of a, of an outing there. And I mean, like 75 degrees in Fox pro yesterday too. So it kind of felt like it was the summer and all that too, but.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, it just feels like this team right now is 100% lost and you can blame it on the quarterback situation too. I mean, I, I don't want to keep, you know, maybe making excuses for Frank Reich, but at the same time,


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[Assistant] You're talking about teams, this team in the Colts over the last few years, just trying to retread it at the quarterback position, whether it be Phillip Rivers, Carson Wentz, this year, Matt Ryan.


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[Assistant] At some point you kind of need to develop and bring somebody along. I guess maybe they were trying to do that with Ellender, but.


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[Assistant] Exactly. And so for me, this is more of a sign for the Colts that they are gonna, it's going to get worse before it gets better. They're going to go to the bottom and they're going to try to get as high of a pick as they possibly can and be in the quarterback and probably in a ton of your mock drafts as we get closer to the spring.


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[Assistant] Nobody knew that Andrew Luck was going to retire and all that. You know, that, that's, that's just a tough situation ultimately being having to throw in Jacoby Percett out of that first year. But at some point you need to be better at evaluating what kind of quarterbacks, if you're going to go down that veteran, that veteran.


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[Assistant] Old Philip Rivers, sorry Will. Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan at the tail end of his career, I mean.


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[Assistant] I, you know, you could have made a better case for Jimmy Garoppolo over this summer than, than Matt Ryan, in my opinion. And I don't think it would have cost you that much, that much more.


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[Assistant] It's funny, it's crazy too real quickly, it's just when you look at, I mean when you look at his statistics over the course of his tenure too, I mean in terms of just point differential, he's top ten in three out of his five years as head coach. And that is with all of that quarterback uncertainty.


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[Assistant] But the fact that they have not made the progressions in the postseason, I think is mostly what we've seen so far. Obviously, last year we all know in Jacksonville with Carson Wentz, in that debacle that was just


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[Assistant] But that's the thing though. But some of it has to go on the coaching staff as well, as much as we're saying like that's on Carson Wentz not playing well and whatever.


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[Assistant] Exactly. You need to game plan certain and you actually have to know your personnel as well. So I mean, yes, as much as we're saying, you know, the quarterbacks have been retreads and you're kind of just trying to figure it out on the fly. Basically. You also need to coach it up as well.


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[Assistant] Well, this is where I think it falls on Chris Ballard now, who is very much on the hot seat. It's the same thing that we're talking about. You know, we talk about their, their, their performances and point differential top 10 out of three out of the five years he was head coach.


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[Assistant] We're talking about the quarterbacks being the biggest issue on this team. Like you were saying Billy, it's not that the coaching was the biggest issue for the Colts over the last few years. It's been the quarterback. And so now you're getting rid of the head coach. There's nobody else other than Chris Ballard that you're looking at at this point saying you have to fix it or, or you got to go. You're the next guy out the door.


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[Assistant] High pick. Right. And they were kind of signaling that also. I mean, obviously with Alan... I think it's a full-born take job.


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[Assistant] You know, you're, you're, you're making those types of decisions just a couple of weeks ago. You're looking for the future. You're clearing out money. You're obviously starting Ellinger in, you know, we all know at this point, you start over the, over the last couple of games here, he's clearly not the guy, but he's the perfect guy. If you want to start tanking, you just roll that down. I mean, it's probably,


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[Assistant] Is it his fault? Is it the Colts fault? Is he not outside of Sean Payton, one of the more attractive head coaching candidates in the NFL?


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[Assistant] It's kind of similar to what Ryan was just saying about the players. Like, you know, they're not going to tank. And maybe this is a coach who's saying like, listen, I can't coach to knowing that there's better options on the roster that I somehow can't be at my disposal.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, thrilled. You see that yesterday? It was great. Perfect. Mack Jones looks great, guys.


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[Assistant] Well, what I find interesting too, I mean, obviously we're going to start thinking about like who could be the next head coach in the Indianapolis Colts. First name that comes to mind if you reach for the fences, it's Joshua Janos, exactly.


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[Assistant] But for me, it's Sean Payton. But isn't one of the main things that Sean Payton wants, or a couple things, we've heard reports. He wants to be able to have control of the roster. Can't necessarily do that at Ballads around. He also wants a top tier quarterback, and he wants to be able to pick that. Now if they get a high pick,


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[Assistant] You know, Ryan, you can tell me more about, you know, who, if they get high enough pick, then who they should grab and all that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] That's, that's totally fine. I'll take the first one as well. And so, I mean, Bailey's happy now too, so it's totally fine. But.


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[Assistant] For me, you look at what they've been able to, you know, what they have in front of them.


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[Assistant] Here we go. They're also, they're also six, you know, six point, uh, underdogs against the Raiders this week and the Raiders look horrible. So speaking of Josh McDaniel, so this team is not going to be good.


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[Assistant] But, you know, again, with Sean Payton as probably the number one target there, you need to set things up in a way. You can't just say, like, alright, you know, Chris Ballard's our guy because you're going to completely eliminate probably the top candidate because he wants to have control of the roster. So maybe you're kind of waiting it out. They're saying just, alright, like, you know, at some point, you move on.


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[Assistant] You know, how far do they have to go down to realistically get into? Obviously then I gotta get the number one overall pick, but do you have to get into that top 10 for one of these quarterbacks to follow you? Or is it you have to be top five? Where are we with that?


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[Assistant] 42 games? Yeah, I'll say he's around like 10 games over 500.


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[Assistant] I mean, Doug Peterson did it and he ended up with Trevor Lawrence in the Jaguars. I mean, again, you know, that's not out of the realm of possibility here for Reich at all.


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[Assistant] Whoops. Wasn't that the whole thing too? And this is something I should remember.


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[Assistant] Is, you know, cause this is, what you're saying, Will, is a narrative that we, uh, peer experienced a ton with Josh McDaniels. He'd take a million interviews, he'd always get close, be a finalist, and then, you know, come out and, you know, leave at the last minute. Obviously, Indianapolis was a big one. He accepted the job and then left. A lot of people with the conspiracy theory was like, did he know about Andrew Luck?


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[Assistant] And is that why he decided to leave? But like you're saying, these coaches need to be very particular in that next spot because, and I think we're seeing it now at Josh McDaniels.


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[Assistant] And the same thing could be said with Reich here if he doesn't pick this next spot right. So a year off might be the best course of action.


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[Assistant] On fray crank, that's totally true. But at the same time, you are talking about a head coach, which was in a very impossible situation of having a different week one starter for every year that he was the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts.


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[Assistant] That's a tough thing for Bill Belichick, Don Chulo, whoever, you know, the all time greats to deal with, let alone Frank Reich.


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[Assistant] I don't know if that's the winning formula. I mean, who knows? Maybe it is. Maybe, maybe it's, maybe it's, it's just, it's, it's rocket fuel and it sends them to the moon. But ultimately I don't know if that's necessarily the right way to go. But also, I mean, whether it was, cause it's all in the same coaching hiring cycle, I guess, whether it was McDaniels or Frank Reich.


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[Assistant] There was offensive minds, a little bit more of a conservative type of decision at the time to bring those guys along. Maybe there is something to be said for doing something a little bit different.


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[Assistant] I would almost lean a little bit more defensive than I would offensive. I would, I really would because I think we're almost over saturating the market with offensive minded head coaches.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I would do that. As we've seen, I don't know if I'd have a former special teams coordinator as the quarterbacks coach. But again, you never know.


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[Assistant] To each their own, exactly. But I think, I think maybe kind of zag, if you're gonna go and sort of, uh,


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[Assistant] A different direction. I would do something along those lines. Maybe, uh, his, his name is escaping me, but the San Francisco defensive coordinator, uhm,


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[Assistant] Thank you very much. That's who, again, that's a kind of a decision that I would look at. Maybe not going into the college ranks and trying to find, you're more likely to find that rule 2.0 than you are the next great college head coach.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's not like he's Mike Mc, I mean, again, I don't follow college as much, but it's not like he's like eccentric, like, like Mike McDaniel. He's kind of just more of a, a little bit different, right? He's like a frat guy.


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[Assistant] So I, I don't know if that, I'd rather the, the kind of nerdy, uh, weirdness than I would the, the fratty, you know, college bro. I actually like your theory.


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[Assistant] Hey, Breach, what do you think about the idea that, uh, Tress Way didn't have his first punt until late into the second half?


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, I was thinking about the start of the game. Did the Packers provide a blueprint for how to beat the Cowboys? I think it's just one of these one-off games. And it's one of those games you sort of talk about.


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[Assistant] What does it really mean? At the end of the day, I don't think it means anything. It's just a game that you lost and in some ways, and maybe this is just trying to make yourself feel good after the fact, I think it's just a case of getting it out of the way and then getting on with the rest of your season because


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[Assistant] Truth or, you know, whether you want to be truthful or not, I think the pressure builds on a team, especially a young team, as you continue to pile these wins without a loss and then, you know, you show up in the playoffs and crap your pants as an undefeated team. Now just get this loss out of the way. It's a division game.


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[Assistant] I don't think we'll look back on it and say, oh, this is where the season turned for the Eagles. Uh, I just checked real quick. Breeze, do you remember two seasons ago, how many games in the road, the Steelers won to win the season?


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[Assistant] Uh, no, but I remember they lost to the commanders and they were 11-0. They were 11-0 and lost to the commanders in week 13 and then they lost their first round game. They got absolutely the doors blown off by Baker Mayfield and the Browns. So the point of the story is...


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[Assistant] The point of the story is that I don't think that the Washington football team beating an undefeated team really tells you much. And this Eagles team is roughly 45 million times better than that Steelers team, which lucked into, uh, I would say 10 and a half of those 11 wins.


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[Assistant] Well, I think the other thing, Breach, is that you have to factor in the fluky turnovers, and that's sort of hard to replicate as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, game filled over right then and then guess what? Taylor Heinecke said, I got some Jordans I need to buy.


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[Assistant] What was the other turnover? We know about the Dallas Goddard. What was the other turnover? Oh, the one by Quez Walkins. Geez. Oh pizza. That was the worst one. Even the one that, that was illegal and that the refs couldn't call it because you can't call face mask. That Quez Walkins was the worst one. And it's the worst one for me because


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[Assistant] Nothing grind, what's it grinds my gears? Is that what they say on the, whatchamacallit?


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[Assistant] You know, those sort of things feel like they don't happen with typically with Bill Belichick coach teams and maybe this year is different. Maybe Matt Patricia coaches them differently, but it's just one of those things that the little things that just doesn't happen with good football teams. And that's not to say the Eagles aren't good, but that's just sort of a mental mistake that that could actually that could end up winning that football game for him.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, if you send that to New York or whatever, wherever they sent it, they could have sent it to Mars for all we know. And Mars comes back and says, look, just call the face mask.


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[Assistant] No one cares. I don't care. No one's going to say, no, that wasn't a face mask. Even Ron would be like, you know what?


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[Assistant] That was the right call. And uhm, what's, I can't, I can't remember John's last name. John Perry. John Perry actually pointed out. We've been trying for years to get this change. Like what's the, like, why would owners and I are at the competition committee? Why would anyone in the competition committee be like, you know what, let's keep it the way it is. Cause this is such an, you know, imbecilic rule. There's no reason to change it.


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[Assistant] I'll say this, I get, I get that. And I think perhaps on some level we're overthinking it. You know, soccer has VAR where they go to the sidelines and look at the same replay. But here's the thing, like if you score a goal and someone's offsides prior to that scoring the goal, then it doesn't happen. There's a foul before that, before the offsides.


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[Assistant] Why if there were infractions prior to the infraction that we're concerned with, why does that matter?


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[Assistant] We did this whole, you know, song and dance. Well, here's the other thing. Let's keep it the way it is and I'm just quick complaining about it. I mean, there has to be a middle ground.


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[Assistant] And that's the other thing. So listen, if he fumbles and then gets a face mask, that's a different conversation.


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[Assistant] And that's something you have to work out. And eh, to, to make the case that it's, and this is not you, Brent, Submission General, that it's too complicated to go down this road. The fricking NFL rule book is like a thousand pages. We can, we can add five


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[Assistant] In theory and reality, everything is difficult when it comes to getting the officials on the same page. What about the, the kneel down that Billy had to tweet up early for my prayer and people were asking about it in the comments and full disclosure, neither Billy nor Bill, uh, RE Will had any idea that people could give themselves up in the middle of the field.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no. Listen to me. If a receiver catches a 15 yard in route, he will give himself up, go down on the knee, give the ball to the official so they can run the play quicker. It happens frequently, not every single game.


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[Assistant] So Patrick Seely asks in the comments, runners have to be touch or out of bounds? No. They go down and they give themselves up.


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[Assistant] And that's taking a knee or diving or whatever in the middle of the field, making it clear that they're no longer part of the play, that the play's over. Doesn't necessarily mean you're going to stop the clock if you're in the middle of the field, but you, you, if you belly flop on them, they're going to, they're going to call a penalty or unfortunately in Brandon Graham's case, if you hit Taylor Heinecke, you know, if you touch him in the helmet, they're going to throw a flag on it as well.


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[Assistant] I didn't say it happens all the time. I said it happens at the end of first half and second half is when it happens. I never once said it happened all the time.


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[Assistant] I mean, he did a pop-up slide, so if you hit him, I mean, I don't know how that, I mean, that feels like the exact same thing Hanuki did in terms of giving himself up. Like, no one would, why didn't anyone go hit him?


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[Assistant] No, it wasn't weird. He rolled out. They were going to throw the ball. He took the knee when he went down to take the knee. I thought he was giving himself up. I also thought Brandon Graham was well within his rights to touch him, but he hit his helmet, which is what.


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[Assistant] Uh, the rules official said on ESPN and that's how the game ended. I mean, that, that was pretty much it. I don't think there's anything more nefarious or conspiracy related than that.


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[Assistant] Just the weirdest, weirdest takes. I don't understand why he's, this is the hill he's dying on.


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[Assistant] Billy, you're the Eagles fan. At what point were you finally convinced that the Eagles were going to lose this game and dash all your hopes and dreams of a perfect season?


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[Assistant] They also, as Breach noted, had 81 offensive plays.


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[Assistant] Uh, Eagles are probably gassed at the end there, especially when you don't have the rotation that includes Jordan Davis. I don't know if anyone else was out along the defensive line, but that's sort of their bread and butter. They can just run those guys in and out of there.