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[Assistant] Why is Clay Matthews, after publicly going after the Rams for not getting his money, why does he have to sue a team in the NFL that is allegedly worth


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[Assistant] Made a joke, but then he kind of followed up on it. Maybe.


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[Assistant] The Rams are going broke. Maybe the Rams, they're building a new stadium that's going to be six, seven billion dollars. They didn't send their scouts to the combine to save some money. They started doing all these other things to kind of cut cash. They started unloading contracts. They started doing all this stuff. Are the Rams broke?


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[Assistant] Well, we owe them money. We'll deal with that later as long as we don't hit the bankruptcy thing. They might not get the money. I'm not saying they would do that. I mean, that was a wild


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[Assistant] Those top picks, you might have to look it up, but I think that's what happened. Yes, they don't get the crazy numbers they got before, but the contract, at least the first four, I think is guaranteed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not, but yeah, there's not as, I know there's not nearly as much to negotiate because it's all slotted now. And who is the, what is the team that always holds out? Was it Chargers? Chargers hold out because what did they, it's some technicality in the fifth year or some guaranteed injury option. What is it?


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[Assistant] Not until like week 8 or 9. Aren't they playing the bangles like week 13 or something? Like, he's gotta be in by then.


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[Assistant] Would it be easier to play in Miami or in Vegas for the Raiders?


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[Assistant] What if you were from another country, you've never been to America, and you're like, I can't wait to go see the great US, and you just go to Vegas when you're 21 years old, and you're like, oh, I love America, this is amazing.


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[Assistant] Get it going! Can't do it. Look good, feel good, feel good, play good.


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[Assistant] Also, it's not like they had a shitload of picks in those later rounds. They had one pick in the third round and one pick in the fourth round. Like they, I mean, it makes no sense.


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[Assistant] They'll loosen up. I think early on, yea, it may be quiet because they're all going to be somewhat nervous, especially that first tee shot. And then once they start playing, hopefully they'll loosen up a little bit. And are they going to have Charles Barkley on the course? Like if Charles is a walking like David Faraday,


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[Assistant] I'm glad they split up Phil and Payton, because those are the ones who are going to carry the talking.


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[Assistant] Phil is so like such a unique, weird, somewhat corny guy too. So you know, he's going to want to try to make it a show as well.


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[Assistant] I've gone, uh, I fisted a fish before I noodled. I went hunting for a catfish in the side of a lake. I accomplished the feat, pulled out a 30 pounder. Thank you very much. I've gone hog hunting down in Louisiana with a couple of dogs, couple of Bay dogs, couple of bulldogs because the hogs are like rats to the fields down there. They need to get them the hell out of there.


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[Assistant] Bay dogs go in there, hold the hog at bay, then a pit bull comes flying off the top ropes, tackles it down to the ground, then you have the hog tie tossing in the back of the truck, but first break the, the lock jaw of the pit bull off of the ear of the hog. Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.


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[Assistant] No, not exit wound or when it goes into... Entry wound. What's that? Entry and exit. There's no entry and no exit wound of a bullet. I gave a deer a heart attack because it saw me and saw me shoot the gun. Just died right on sight. Down. I shoot at it.


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[Assistant] So we go down where we thought it was, we don't see anything, and then we see no blood. We walk for like an hour, hour and a half just trying to find a little bit of blood. I might have caught it in here. I know it went down, my dad's saying or whatever. So then we walk back to said spot and like we almost trip over it. It was just on the ground there and we're like, damn, here it is.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we took it to get, we had to do the, uh, obviously had to, uh. Autopsy? No, uh.


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[Assistant] Uh, an entry wound or an exit wound. So I legitimately gave a deer a heart attack and I feel terrible about it still to this day. I, I would have never hit it. It would have never died, but boy, it had a heart attack and got all the meat though, saved all the damn meat. And, uh, that's why I ain't a killer, but don't push me bro.


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[Assistant] Tim McAfee loves the outdoors. I mean, Tim McAfee growing up used to put his hunting suit, uh, hunting costume in a bag of leaves and urine for like weeks before hunting season, just in case them deers got better fucking noses than they did last year. I mean, he used to go out in the woods for a long time.


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[Assistant] That's what it is, it's one of them things, puts a hunting costume out there in the garbage bags. Don't touch the garbage bag kids, there's deer piss in there.


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[Assistant] Well, you wanna either turn him on, don't turn him off, you know what I mean? He...


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[Assistant] Always strapped. Tim McAfee is ready for the action whenever you want to be ready for the action. He was a truck driver for a long time.


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[Assistant] Right? So he was an outdoorsman and then he became a truck driver. And when you're a truck driver, you're sleeping in some sketchy places and he was like cross country driving these trucks. And I would assume that's where it all started. And then now it's just got to the point where.


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[Assistant] A bunch of human cockfighters this past weekend. The first live sport in America since the quarantine happened was a UFC 249, which


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[Assistant] I was a part of, obviously a couple other people, and human.


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[Assistant] Cockfighters got in there and put on a great show. People had been saying that this was going to be a great stacked card. There was going to be a lot of action. You got a lot of killers out there and it held up to the case.


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[Assistant] That big guy, the big guy that was swinging like this who just knocked the son of a bitch out real hard, that was awesome.


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[Assistant] Then the, uh, thug nasty kid from Arkansas putting moves in that you only see in professional wrestling that he was doing to people. And then obviously Cejudo and the boys getting after it. Greg Hardy didn't really impress me that much, but I understand he's going to become a good fighter is what everybody said. I enjoyed watching that and there was some real carnage. We're talking about some really fucked up faces after these fights and that is not normal. That doesn't happen anymore. And I loved what the UFC did and I think it was a massive success. What were some of your takeaways as an MMA expert?


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[Assistant] But that literally looked like when those, when the bears get on their back feet and they just start running at each other. And I've always had a plan for if a bear does that to me, you don't play dead. Like to tell you, you just move out of the way. You see, I don't think it's, I think what that guy did who was fighting and gone and what he did wrong was,


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[Assistant] Pooh! Dead! I don't know if that even happens anymore. That guy might be my new favorite fighter of all time.


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[Assistant] What's his name? John Anick. John Anick. He's good. I enjoy listening to him. He's great. He basically said like every fighter should be scared of this guy. And DC was like, well, I'm definitely not scared of him. Like, let's not get crazy here. I wonder if DC was trying to angle himself to potentially fight that guy.


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[Assistant] He literally said that. And by the way, from an untrained eye here, and as a guy who trained in the same gym as DC one time.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're at, uh, Unbreakable. Yeah, it was a wild day. I walk in, we're not allowed to play music because Jay's doing something. And I'm like, well, this gym is the worst gym of all time. Then he stops filming something, then the music gets going. And then I start seeing like,


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[Assistant] These incredible athletes are walking in like, oh, this is the greatest gym of all time. And then a guy has a shirt on and says, I break bones. As in Chris Bones Jones, I break bones.


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[Assistant] And it was Cormier and I was like, Oh, I wonder, I wonder what nephew of his is fighting, uh, fights Chris Jones or, or, or, uh, yeah. John Jones. John Jones. There it is. Fights John Jones.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it turns out it was him. I was like, man, that guy is gonna fight John Jones? Cause I knew John Jones at the time because Arthur, I had met him through Arthur Jones, who was on our team. I was like, that guy is gonna fight John Jones? And they were like, yeah, that guy's a killer. I was like, well, he looks like a guy who needs to get in shape or whatever. And then you watch him fight.


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[Assistant] By the way, that guy, Greg Hardy, I guess he's just sleeping and eating, fighting at the moment.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he came out and started, let's question the guy that made the decision to a little bit. This guy was drunk and smoking in between the rounds because he had nobody to check him because there's nobody within the four mile radius. I enjoyed that. And I guess that, that gate, she gave you, yeah. Hey, he's a killer out there.


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[Assistant] I don't know, just like the same guy that didn't tap out to, uh, thug nasty's, uh, uh, triangle choke. I believe he had him on triangle and then he almost had him in a twister choke.


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[Assistant] Some of these dudes are just so much tougher than I could ever fathom. I mean, how about that one guy's eyeball is just broken.


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[Assistant] And then Ferguson's eyeball is broken as well, but that one guy has broken eyeball, can't see anything, and he's, he knows he just got his ass kicked and he's just flexing into the camera. I'm like, these maniacs, man, I have no idea how they do it. Big weekend for the UFC. Very good idea here for the UFC to get in ahead of everything else and put on a hell of a fight card like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, now I can't. Just charge me more to let me just do it on my TV so I don't, cause then I had to, I don't have a smart TV in my bedroom.


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[Assistant] For some reason my Apple TV back air hasn't been working, so I couldn't mirror the thing to the thing. I had to, we had to get a laptop out that we didn't even know if it worked anymore. I mean, I was not enjoying the whole process, but I did it to watch those humans try to kill each other.


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[Assistant] I did it, but it was not the easiest process. And I would assume that might have drove some people away, but I'm thinking big old numbers on that fight for good reason. It was a great product.


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[Assistant] Well, I think it's like a joke of a move, I'd assume. Like, I don't think that's an easy thing. It's like the old banana split they used to talk about whenever you're wrestling. Did you ever hear about this? I had some friends that were like legit top wrestlers, maybe in America at one point.


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[Assistant] The Pellegrini and Sean Clare used to be like, I think the Pellegrini was on Team America or whatever one of their kids. But I somehow was linked up with these two kids who were the best wrestlers maybe in


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[Assistant] I don't know, I don't want to speak out of turn. They're very good though, whatever they were.


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[Assistant] And for some reason, I was friends with these two, and I was in a, like whenever I was younger, and I was in a living room with them, and it, for some reason it turned into wrestling practice, and I should not have been where I was at. How old were you?


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[Assistant] Ah, maybe 12? Yeah, maybe like 12 or 11 years old or whatever. And we're in, we're in a wide open living room. And, uh, it just was, I was not supposed to fucking be there, but while I was


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[Assistant] No, it was getting, it was getting to the point where I had to like really defend myself, but the other guy was like, don't let him put, don't let him put the banana split or whatever on it. And that's when you grab, they grab your legs and they try to like, you know, rip your groin apart. Is that what that's called?


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[Assistant] I think that's what the twister is. I think the twister is something that happens on like amateurs. I'm not sure professionals are able to get it on. Like I think that's like, uh, you know, like a pretty big thing for him to be. Thug Nasty was trying his best to get it done though.


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[Assistant] Taped out six times in one minute. And then I couldn't even do it with my arms because they were breaking both my arms. I had to do it with my feet. It's not good.


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[Assistant] Matt Mitrione, uh, whenever he gets that big body on top of you and starts yanking on your arms and stuff, there's not a lot of talking to do there. It's just a lot of praying though. There's a split right there. Look at that. Jeez.


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[Assistant] That poor guy. That's what that guy, wait, this guy did this in the living room to you? He was trying. He didn't get me. He was trying. But there was a lot of like, don't let that, like the other guy was like, don't let it happen. Like, do not let this happen to you right now. It was almost like I would have had to walk home if it would have happened.


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[Assistant] That's probably what the twister is in a jujitsu world. It's like getting dunked on.


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[Assistant] Cause so many things have to happen. Your leg has to get in. Your leg has to be in the wrong spot. Your arm has to be in the wrong spot. And your neck has to be in the wrong spot. So I assume that that is not something that normally happens.


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[Assistant] He had 10 bucks on him. He forgot his wallet. He was in his car. He was heading to a gas station to pick up his Powerball lottery tickets from his gas station. Okay. From his people. He gets there. For some reason he encounters a homeless man. He says, Hey, I'm going to use $5. He has 10 bucks.


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[Assistant] He said, I'll give you five bucks, I gotta go somewhere. The homeless man said, no, no, keep the money, I don't need the money, just give me a part of the winnings whenever you go buy the lottery tickets from wherever you go. He continues on his journey, the place closed up where he normally buys his lottery tickets, goes back home.


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[Assistant] Next morning, he wakes up with a text message from a number he doesn't know, and says, Congrats, you won the Powerball for $300,000. He has no idea what it means, goes into the gas station, the gas station person says,


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[Assistant] You need it more. Good luck in the Powerball. Ends up winning Gilbert Arenas. This is an awesome story. Happy for him. I hope that happens to me one day that I am a regular at a gas station for Powerball so much that they know my motherfucking numbers. And even when I don't buy a ticket, I still win. Good for Gilbert Arenas.


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[Assistant] Well good for that, the gas station attendant. Are you kidding me? You realize you have a winner that you played for somebody, a famous guy that would never know if you didn't tell him.


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[Assistant] Ever. You can pocket that $300,000. It's just like, uhm.


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[Assistant] In the movie, American Gangster, when, uh, who's the cop? Russell Crowe? Russell Crowe finds the million dollars.


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[Assistant] He doesn't keep it, he reports it or whatever. That's exactly this gas station person. He had $300,000 in his hands.


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[Assistant] Nobody knew that this $300,000 existed except for him and Gilbert Arenas. This is a personal relationship that Gilbert Arenas comes in every day with him and picks the same numbers. Gilbert Arenas would have never known the guy could have taken 300 grand.


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[Assistant] You're right, now what is the proper amount that Gilbert should have given to this gas station attendant, as well as the homeless person, because if he won $300k, you could say he's safely gonna pocket $140k.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I guess they say take the lump sum because like,


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[Assistant] I want to be making money on my money. I don't want you making interest on my money. Yeaah. And I get that, but if it's 700 million dollars, like...


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[Assistant] I knew I had this big check coming every year. Well, that's why every scratcher I play is one that's for life. Every scratcher I play is one that wins you for life because I just would like a happy little show up at the front door each week. But they say, well, you take the upfront money. Well, when you take upfront money, they cut it down even more.


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[Assistant] Because they know that they got you because you're getting upfront cash as opposed to the long haul. Now, obviously if you die, there has to be some transfer of money and stuff like that, but.


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[Assistant] I'm taking a long haul and I'm making it a game on how I can spend every single dollar every single month in an interesting fashion.


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[Assistant] I think that's a good amount, right? He's giving 10%, 15%, probably give to the gas station guy, maybe 20%.


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[Assistant] Of his net, someone would probably argue, no, you need to give 10% of the gross.


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[Assistant] Which I've heard, I've had teammates argue when they tithe, tithing, giving 10% of your income to a church. And I've heard, I've had heated arguments I've seen of teammates say, no, you tithe off your gross, you don't tithe off your net.


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[Assistant] What would you do? So maybe 10, 15 grand is a little light. Probably give him 25, 30. Yeah, I don't know.


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[Assistant] But also did I win 300 grand or did I actually win 400 grand and it's a cops found, you know what I mean? Cause like, 182 hundred bucks of mine went missing from when I was arrested to the next morning when I could reclaim my money.


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[Assistant] Jesus. Yep, just keep the good friendly cycle going, right? Yep. He's a terrible guy. He's a terrible guy. Right there.


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[Assistant] Really? Yea, yea. Started like 7am with me and I just said, you just want to come with us?


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[Assistant] I mean, he was with us all day. That guy probably, I don't know, I probably gave him three, four thousand bucks that day. He just hung out with me all day.


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[Assistant] Nick, Nick hopped in a cab. He should not have hopped in. It was very obvious that we were not following wherever this cab was going to. We come out. There's a couple of people we didn't know and I didn't want to be around them. So we're like, all right, we'll just let them get in that cab. We'll tell them, we'll meet up with them soon. And Nick hops in the cab and we're all like, don't do that, Nick. And Nick hops in and is like, well,


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[Assistant] Uh, the street, I saw him. He had great Tims on, so I respected it. And, uh, we had a good conversation. I gave him like 500 bucks.


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[Assistant] And I said, I'm going to be back next week. If I see you here, I'm going to be upset. I want you to go get a job at McDonald's. I want you 500 bucks is enough to put a down payment on an apartment complex. Get you some new clothes. I'll see if I'm here next week. I want a refund or whatever. And he's like, Oh, you got it, man. Clean DAP. We leave next week about three, four AM. I see him again sitting there hand out.


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[Assistant] I'm like, what the fuck happened, pal? Gave you 500 bucks last week. He was like, I want to get a job McDonald's. I had no home address. I couldn't fill out the thing. I couldn't apply for a job. I was like, oh, that makes sense. Gave him another 500 bucks and walked away. So.


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[Assistant] I mean, me and homeless people have a good relationship. I mean, a smart business move would be to dress up as a homeless person and hang out outside of your little funhouse warehouse. Where I'm at? Try to get some cash. Yes. It is a smart idea, it is a good idea, and I get yelled at by people that


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[Assistant] That's the thing I don't understand when people are like, whoa, why you, why you giving them any money? They're just gonna go buy alcohol. I'm like, okay, cool. What do you mean? It doesn't change what me gonna give him money. You know what else am I gonna do with this money?


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[Assistant] I tell you what, for our super bowl, super yacht experience, maybe we have a raffle and we bring on 25 random homeless people on the boat.


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[Assistant] So I gave away 5,000 tickets when the Pacers made the playoffs back against, uh, when they made that run against the Heat.


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[Assistant] So the Pacers were worried that the home playoff game wasn't going to sell out, okay, because they had just come back into resurgence after falling off a little bit after some PR issues. So,


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[Assistant] I said, uh, some conversation, sorry, I don't know if they started a conversation or I started the conversation. I was like, can I just buy 5,000 tickets and give them away or whatever? And they were like, uh, yeah, we'll give you for a deal. I think they charged me two bucks a ticket maybe or something like that. So I put 10,000 bucks down.


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[Assistant] Then I had to give away the 5,000 tickets. You know how hard it is to give away 5,000 tickets? How? How do you even do that? So what we did was we set up something down at the, uh, at the time, I think it was Kinseko Fieldhouse. Now it's Bonkers Life Fieldhouse. They put a hoop down in the lobby. And if you showed up and you made a free throw, you got two tickets. Cause it's Indiana.


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[Assistant] It's one of those situations, but yeah, it was not easy to give away the tickets. It was much harder than I thought and I would never do it again, but it was a cool moment to watch a homeless get wet and get a chance to go hang out for a night.


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[Assistant] I mean, 5,000's a lot. I would imagine if you just had the tickets there and said, hey, show up and we'll give you two tickets, you still may not be able to give them all away.


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[Assistant] Do you think Clowney really turned down a big offer from the Browns? Okay.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm happy you brought that up. I'm happy we're talking about this. I don't think he turned down a multi-year big, big contract from the Browns and I could be completely wrong here. I could be completely off base, but this feels like.


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[Assistant] I just don't see how. I don't know how you turned down a multi-year big contract offer from the Cleveland Browns. I just don't think he does that.


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[Assistant] This feels like this could potentially be from his agents, his agents talking about how, Hey, like we want to let people know that we are getting big offers. We're picking and choosing where we want to go and that type of stuff. I don't know. It doesn't, I just, it wouldn't make, if it's strictly cause he doesn't want to go to Cleveland and he turned down a massive car.


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[Assistant] And as people want to know, like people are interested in me. Is that what he's trying to do? Or is this story potentially going to tell people like what you, you turn down a big contract multi-year. So what we're going to offer you then there's no chance.


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[Assistant] Now it's a big time arms race, okay, in the content game. There, it is a time where you need to load up on things. I think, uh, not only Spotify, but you think about Apple's gonna want to get into this game too. They already got Tunchie in there. They're trying to get into the content game right now. Then you look at, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, Google, obviously YouTube, and then you just go through the whole entire, you start looking through the gamut. There's a lot of people looking to acquire content and audio in the world right now. It's a great time to be a human that's in the content game.


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[Assistant] Uh, because the world is looking for it. It's a great time to be in this game. And, uh, I think every single day that I get a chance to talk to AJ Hawk in front of his books every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. How you feeling today, brother?


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[Assistant] I'm not sure if it was stock options or if there was more money in cash with stock options on top. I think there was a lot of money.


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[Assistant] I do believe there's incentives and he's not exclusive, uh, exclusive. He's actually just licensing the show. He can still post clips on YouTube.


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[Assistant] I think he's allowed to put clips up though. I think from my understanding of reading whatever, he's allowed to put some clips up. I don't know. I'm not 100% sure, but that deal is a great deal for every other content maker that's on the internet. Just like whenever Barstool sold the pen at a $450 million valuation.


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[Assistant] That's a good deal for every other human that talks about sports on the internet. There's, there's a couple trailblazers of the internet that make deals happen that has a trickle down effect that helps out everybody else. Barstool, Rogan, things of that nature, those are people that do that type of stuff. So it's obviously something as soon as it happens, you know, you, you go, you start snooping around a little bit.


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[Assistant] Excuse me, how much money? A hundred million dollars. Damn. Then you start digging deeper. They're like much more than a hundred million dollars. They're reporting a hundred million dollars was not an accurate. It's much more than a hundred million dollars. I'm like, well, good for Joe Rogan. I read an entire article on him. Uh, basically I forget what old school journalism


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[Assistant] If you're a Rogan listener, you're gonna find where you can listen to Joe Rogan at. And I think, uh, good deal for Rogan, good deal for Spotify. And in the article I read, they already made their money back with the stock bump. So the amount of stock went up, they already made their money back for what they paid him, initially what was reported. So maybe they haven't made the actual amount of money.


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[Assistant] Everything I say here is going to be calculated.


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[Assistant] You saw that Lamar Jackson clip, I'm sure, where he kinda crashed over the jet ski. First off, what kind of...


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[Assistant] Talk about the most unfair beach football game in the history of the world. Not only is Lamar Jackson the quarterback, but you let him take off and run. Like he should be all time QB. He has to throw it. He cannot run ever.


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[Assistant] I like the fact that he was doing it. I like the fact that he was out there. Wait, I mean. And going!


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[Assistant] We'll see. Would Big Ben have thrown a TD pass on that play? Oh yeah. With his left hand.


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[Assistant] Do you think there's gonna be someone that comes up that obviously there's never gonna be another Undertaker, but will somebody...


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[Assistant] Be able to come up and keep that mystique throughout their whole career as you have for so long. Like is that possible nowadays?


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[Assistant] 5,000 people showing up at BP. They were televising batting practice for this fucking guys. Now we're at a point where


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[Assistant] There's no way they could just stop testing for stuff and promoting almost their players to do that. They could without saying it though. They could somehow. That would save baseball!


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[Assistant] That would save baseball. If, if that was to happen again. Now granted,


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[Assistant] Whoever is taking it, their lives are getting shortened and science has proven that it's not good for you. But that is a way I think...


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[Assistant] Now we're back to this whole thing. I think that's what baseball would have to do. It's losing traction.


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[Assistant] So what do they do? They just have people hanging around the locker rooms like, hey, we got this, we got this. It's like, uh, when you go to Washington DC and you see the guys with the fake Oakleys and shit, like,


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[Assistant] Alright, we've got HGH over here, go to the guy in that corner. Alright, you want some of the horse shit that'll make you strong and run faster? Go down to that guy in that corner. Like, I wonder how that all works. Is it all revolved around one guy, like the Balco guy who said he had to, he had to put manor mirrors to sleep every night? He said, I mean, that screwball documentary was interesting. I just don't know.


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[Assistant] That their only objective is to make the human perform at the highest possible level and to get around tests. Like that's what these scientists are doing. Who, who meets? How do they?


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[Assistant] I mean, I remember I was getting ready for a show and he was getting ready, I think he hit 68 home run maybe? And we just said, hey, let's eat more tonight.


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[Assistant] It's, uh, it was an interesting little doc. Uh, Jerry Maguire, also pretty good. Different spelling.


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[Assistant] I think that's what Figgles did. Jeff Figgles had that deal with the Giants towards the end of his punting career. Where he wasn't in practice, I don't think until...


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[Assistant] Cause he was like 75 years old still punting for the Giants or whatever. He put a 41 yard ball right out of bounds every time. Boom, boom, boom.


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[Assistant] Then Elon Musk came down from his planet, created this SpaceX thing so he can get home to and from, and they started working on these rockets, working on these rockets, and he eventually worked to deal with NASA to send American astronauts to space. Yesterday was supposed to be the debut of the SpaceX and NASA collaboration.


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[Assistant] All black suits, with masks on. Don't send coronavirus to fucking space with the astronauts, they said. And the astronauts, two of them,


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[Assistant] Couple bad ass big gut sack havens, sons of bitches were gonna send themselves up to space in a brand new space costume that a lot of people said looked ugly. They did not expect it to look that way, but it feels as if Elon Musk


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[Assistant] Has made space travel relatively easy. Now granted, there was a little bit of rain, so they had to cancel it eventually. Which anybody that looked at a Doppler earlier in the day would have known they wouldn't have been able to get off the fucking ground. But I think this was a rollout plan for the SpaceX NASA thing. And those astronauts looked so comfortable, maybe because they knew they weren't going to take off.


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[Assistant] But the seats, everything I've ever heard about space travel is like it's hellacious, it's chaos, it's this. These two were relaxed and calm while the ninjas watched their back and set everything up.


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[Assistant] That's what you thought about America finally sending American astronauts back to space, a monumental paramount moment for our country and for our space travel. And you thought a jihadi John.


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[Assistant] When the astronaut dropped something out of its pocket and one of the ninjas picked it up, that was a highlight moment. When Elon Musk came in and speak, that was a highlight moment, but it was a lot of nothing. I mean, elevator doors were closing on these astronauts at one point. They had to touch each other to tell them, give a thumbs up to the crowd. They wave to their fans. The helmet looks like a motocross helmet and it wasn't.


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[Assistant] I guess my recollection of these things are all from movies and from failed attempts and things.


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[Assistant] They looked like they were just sitting in a Tesla that was just about to take. Comfortable, you know, the guy had regular glasses on, didn't even have rec specs on. Looked like you could have just flipped down the motocross helmet. It looked like a shield that people were wearing to shield themselves from coronavirus. Touch screens. It just looked like it was such a potentially comfortable operation going to space. And I'm like,


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[Assistant] This motherfucker Elon Musk is definitely an alien. Think about where we were to where we're at now. It's just...


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[Assistant] Light years ahead. And I say that because light years is a space thing. I'm on one today, man. I'm hot. I'm batting a thousand. Oh, another baseball reference. But it's just one of those things where I think we're going to get to space. But yesterday, five hours of fucking nothing. When everybody who looked at a Doppler knew that there's no chance that thing was taking off. Stunk.


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[Assistant] And you have to go underneath a bridge and then you got to become fucking Jim Cantoria all of a sudden and you got to start reading the clouds. You're like, I think we'll get a break right there. And you take it. Maybe they'll do that with the rocket to get up to the space station because they're already what? Three days behind on the mission.


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[Assistant] So I'm pumped to see if this works, by the way. This feels like it's a potentially very dangerous thing. And yesterday was such a casual rollout of it. They are now getting into the elevators.


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[Assistant] And you know, nah, I'll just keep it 100. It was always trying to get that one up on the Patriots.


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[Assistant] We wanted to go for it and uh, kind of run the tables at the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. Obviously we lost to the Saints, but to have an undefeated season.


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[Assistant] When they fell short in the superbowl, it was, you wanted, you just wanted that extra, you know, F you, you know. Yeah, absolutely.


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[Assistant] And it's not, it's not just the ol' rival aspect, it's just...


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[Assistant] I just, I just, I can't, I couldn't wrap my mind around that, you know. But, uh, I think Phil Rivers is, is, I personally think he's the better option because I feel like he, he wants our Super Bowl. He wants his first Super Bowl and he's hungry.


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[Assistant] And you can feel it, feel the energy that's, that's, that he brought to the city. So, uh.


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[Assistant] I just feel like, you know, Philip, he brings the energy to the city and, uh, I think, I think sky's the limit for this team.


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[Assistant] Geez. Terrible haircut. I'm not gonna say midlife crisis. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. Don't say it. Don't say it.


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[Assistant] Whenever you start talking to, to Payton and obviously the control that Payton had and the credit paying and then I assume he also talks to other, other guys that are up there in that legendary status. I mean, at some point.


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[Assistant] If you've been doing it for 20 years and you're the greatest of all time and everybody says that, I would assume at some point you'd be like, I would like a little bit of credit here from within my own house. You know what I mean? I'd like a little bit of credit here within my own house.


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[Assistant] Josh McDaniels and Belichick might be able to flip Jarrett Stidham into what? Another 10 Super Bowls. Yep. Would that be surprising at all if that was to happen at this? If they went to 10 straight Super Bowls with Jarrett Stidham, it would be very surprising because that means they went through Patrick Mahomes and that Chiefs team.


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[Assistant] 10 straight times, but if they had a lot of success with Jared Siddum, I don't, at this point, I don't think anybody would be surprised. And also if they absolutely stink with Jared Siddum, I don't think anybody would be surprised. But if Tom Brady goes out there and plays bad football for Tampa Bay, it's going to be loud.


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[Assistant] It is gonna be loud about how, without Bill Belichick, just could never get it right, could never do it. So it's, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, it's an interesting time for both of them, but those jerseys look amazing on Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Well, I think some, like you said, some of the older whites, they're letting their old school, like beliefs, like they're getting mad when he celebrates or saying like, oh, he's a showboat or whatever. Like that's just 25 years ago. Like you grow out of it, man. Like if you're a six year old.


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[Assistant] Like that's awesome to watch now. Maybe in the moment, I'm sure people are like, oh, it's disrespectful to the game, but I think it all adds to it. And I think Kim does a great job of that and seems like he's having fun.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they are stupid. I guess an issue some people might have, like, have you ever heard coaches say, hey, celebrate with your teammates? That's a common thing, especially in college and the NFL. Hey, celebrate with your teammates. But that's the thing.


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[Assistant] In the NFL, whatever position you play, like everyone, I shouldn't say everyone, but a lot of people want to have like a signature, like a signature move they do after you get a big sack or after you score a touchdown where everyone's like, oh, here it goes. And they know what they're going to do. And then you get marketing deals on top of it, brand awareness, all kinds of craziness. So players don't look at it like a.


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[Assistant] If he's celebrating- There's a guy who cares too. That shows like, hey, I care about the game. I wanna be here.


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[Assistant] If they'll mess this up though, if they, if they're, don't want it to look like, oh,


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[Assistant] It's a game, dude. Hey, hey, it is a game. And what's the thing about those guys that whether you like the group celebration or not.


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[Assistant] Let's do what we've been working on for two months behind the scenes. Then it brings everybody even together and they laugh and they have fun with it. That keg stand by Quentin Nelson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so what can you use it for? When it's not raining, you can hang out a little bit. I would assume, but I didn't pay attention.


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[Assistant] I mean, the projected cut is still plus two and Tiger's at plus three. Oh, look at this. This is your geysers.


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[Assistant] They're not gonna take it from you. You bought it. You own it. They can't come grab it from you now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you gotta put in, uh, you gotta put in chemicals and stuff to keep the algae out. You should dye it blue. My, my in-laws live right next to us. I dye their pond blue. Looks great.


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[Assistant] It's not fun. If you're going out and you have to cast for six hours before anyone catches anything, like no, I've already been home for five and a half hours. Bingo AJ!


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[Assistant] How mad are those, how mad is the special teams coach in Houston for his front line guys that bailed early on you?


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[Assistant] I've played, I've played that front line right in front of the ball on kickoff return and they always like...


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[Assistant] So did they know though, the guys, the kickoff team with you, they knew you were kicking in the middle, right? Right to yourself? Were they going to come in as reinforcements and try to knock guys off and not let them hit you?


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[Assistant] There's a good chance if you don't get that, that uh, your defense, the whole defense is pretty mad at you. The whole staff, the defensive staff is really mad. The offensive staff is mad as well. And the chances of you getting that onside are probably like 7% for you to kick it onside and get it yourself. Maybe less than that, honestly. Probably less.


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[Assistant] Well, with their setup there though, the Texans, when they left nobody in the middle, the players, sure, like you can try to blame the players, but it's ultimately on the coach there. When you, if that's your setup, like I've played frontline and I know I've had people surprise on Simey where I left a step or two early. You know, it happened because for 85 other kickoff returns,


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[Assistant] I left a little bit early, I started to leave a little bit early and then you get com- comfortable with doing that and then boom, someone bunts one at you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you guys will single them out real fast. I know you will. I remember my, my freshman year in college, we were playing against Miami as national championship. And I was like, all right, first kickoff of the game. I'm on front line right in front of the ball. I'm like, I'm not going to leave early, man. I gotta, I gotta stay with it. I'm not leaving early.


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[Assistant] All of a sudden I sit there, I watch the kickoff, this is the start of the game, I watch him kick it off, I'm like, okay, cool, it's deep. I turn around, I take off, I sprint back, I'm already 40 yards, and I turn around and the guy I'm supposed to block is like 30 yards past me, already attacking the ball carrier. And so...


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[Assistant] I was like, alright. I left about, I was about 80 yards deep then when, when the kicker would get to the ball the rest of the game. Cause I was like, these guys are too fast. I can't keep, I can't get back there. And then we turned around after that first kickoff and I'm talking to my buddies and they were like, Hey, did you get your guy? They're like, hell no. I didn't even see my guy. All of us just had to leave early.


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[Assistant] It's like baseball when you hit their guy, like, hey, someone's getting, alright, one of us is getting hit next inning.


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[Assistant] Between two, the special teams coordinators are always absolutely crazy. Roller coasters of emotion throughout the week and especially on game day they drank 87 red bulls and 40 cups of coffee before and during the game and then just run up and down trying to herd cattle trying to get 11 guys on the field.


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[Assistant] That's every, that's every special team. That's why special teams coaches are awesome. Because they're always like good, fun dudes, but they're all crazy and they all have a weird manic energy.


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[Assistant] And they know how to bring all these guys together. It's such a tough job. You're coaching a bunch of guys who don't want to be there who think they should be starting on offense or defense and you got to make them go run 80 yards down the field and try to


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[Assistant] TikTok has repeatedly chosen the path for more control, more surveillance, and more manipulation. Your platform should be banned.


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[Assistant] You know, Congress could not have made this much more clear. I mean, Congress didn't say exactly the circumstances in which it wanted the secretary to use this authority.


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[Assistant] Of course not. This is, this is a bill about like what happens when you have an emergency.


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[Assistant] Could the secretary say, well there was this terrible earthquake and lots of people's houses were destroyed?


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[Assistant] And I'm going to discharge the loans of people whose houses were destroyed in this terrible earthquake.


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[Assistant] This is an emergency provision. There's an emergency. It's an earthquake. You don't think Congress wanted to give


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[Assistant] To give the secretary power to say, oh my gosh, people have had their homes wiped out, we're going to discharge their student loans.


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[Assistant] I guess, I mean, there are third parties all the time who have an interest in, gosh, I wish that party over there would bring a suit, uhm, because I have some relationship with that third party and I would like it very much if that third party represented its own interests better in my view. But we don't do that. We don't allow that kind of interference with the decision.


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[Assistant] ...of the entity involved to decide whether the harm is of the kind that they want to sue for.


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[Assistant] So Connor and Emma, tell us about this story that you have been both reporting on and how it brought your two lines of coverage at the Times together.


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[Assistant] And Connor, San Francisco happens to be your hometown. So why has it been the worst at drawing workers back? Why is the situation in San Francisco specifically so dire?


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[Assistant] And give us an example of those embers of tech.


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[Assistant] So Emma, what does this new ecosystem of services on the first floor of these office buildings now stuffed with tech workers in San Francisco actually look like?


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[Assistant] It's working on two levels. It's bringing in the tech and it's bringing in a host of retail and services that are required to support those workers. So this strategy seems like a pretty big success.


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[Assistant] But of course we should say, Connor, that even in real time, there are some powerful critiques of this model that are emerging, right? And we covered a bunch of them in the Times. It's not all wonderful in this era in San Francisco.


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[Assistant] And at the heart of that critique, right, Connor is really the worry that San Francisco was building itself around


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[Assistant] So Emma, what does the pandemic and its fallout look like specifically in San Francisco?


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[Assistant] And Connor, what does this embrace of remote work look like for Yelp, which had seized on the idea of downtown and really come to see it as a big part of the company's success?


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[Assistant] Meaning for workers like Maria, whose economic rise in the previous few years very much relied on there being these tech workers in the offices up above those stores.


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[Assistant] Right, cause the downtown scene that used to exist and that Maria used to cater to has moved to these kinds of suburbs.


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[Assistant] Where these workers now want the same thing much closer to home.


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[Assistant] So it strikes me that when this so-called virtuous economic cycle we had talked about earlier works, it works for everybody, right? The tech worker in the office, the service worker below, but when the cycle breaks, it keeps working for that tech worker, but it totally stops working for the service worker like Maria.


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[Assistant] So Connor, where exactly does all of this leave a city like San Francisco? I mean, how do its leaders talk about this moment and really this dilemma that they now face? Because I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that their job now,


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[Assistant] Is really to save downtown San Francisco, right? I mean, tech workers don't seem to be coming back anytime soon. Service workers like Maria are now commuting outside the city to the suburbs to meet these tech workers where they are. So what options does the city have?


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[Assistant] Right, for example, one of the things mayors are constantly saying these days about these emptied out downtowns is we're gonna convert those office buildings into apartments.


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[Assistant] Okay, so you're saying that is actually not an especially practical solution. Turning office buildings into condos and suddenly fundamentally changing the nature and purpose of a downtown. That's one of those great in theory, super hard in practice concepts. I think it can happen.


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[Assistant] The fact that as bad as things might seem in San Francisco?


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[Assistant] Cities are resilient. Cities tend to find their way out of crises. And I think about


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[Assistant] My city, New York City, after September 11th. And I think of all of the predictions of doom that didn't come true.


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[Assistant] You may remember these skyscrapers were supposedly no longer going to be built.


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[Assistant] In Manhattan. That's not true. We've actually gone through this major skyscraper boon. Lower Manhattan.


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[Assistant] What's supposed to be withering it hasn't it's driving so.


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[Assistant] It's very easy to perhaps overstate how gloomy the prospects for a city like San Francisco really are.


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[Assistant] Well, Emma, Connor, thank you very much. We appreciate it.


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[Assistant] On Wednesday, the death toll from Turkey's massive earthquake reached a grim new milestone.


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[Assistant] Surpassing 17,000 people as frustrations grew over the pace of rescue operations.


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[Assistant] In the days since the United States shot down a Chinese spy balloon that entered its airspace, American intelligence agencies have concluded that such balloons are designed to collect information about the military capabilities of countries around the world.


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[Assistant] The goal, these officials said, was to spy on military bases in particular.


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[Assistant] Similar Chinese balloons have been spotted over Latin America, Southeast Asia, East Asia, and Europe.


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[Assistant] Today's episode was produced by Rob Zipko and Carlos Prieto with help from Mary Wilson and Stella Tan.


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[Assistant] It was edited by Mark George with help from Michael Benoit, contains original music by Dan Powell and Marian Lozano, and was engineered by Chris Wood.


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[Assistant] Madam Speaker and members, everyone knows what a lemon car is.


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[Assistant] On this chart, you will see the USS Little Rock, commissioned in 2017, lost power at sea.


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[Assistant] So what is this ship's mission and what does it contribute to national security? Nothing.


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[Assistant] China has become more aggressive in what they call their military civil fusion strategy, which is buying our sophisticated chips, which is supposedly for commercial purposes and putting them into military equipment to advance their military. And we're not going to stand for that.


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[Assistant] So Apoorva, the Biden administration announced that the public health emergency around COVID is ending. Can you explain what that means?


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[Assistant] So the Biden administration is basically letting this declaration of a health emergency expire, right? But what exactly had this declaration been allowing?


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[Assistant] I mean it basically gave the federal government extra muscle to deal with a disaster that was unfolding all around us, right? Like, lessening all the friction in the system so that we could all get care more easily.


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[Assistant] And what effect do you think that will have? I mean, that uninsured people won't have free access to tests and treatments.


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[Assistant] Oh wow, so how many people roughly are we talking about?


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[Assistant] Okay, so the first big effect is if you don't have insurance and the number of uninsured is about to really expand, you may be paying more for treatment. What's the second big effect?


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[Assistant] Oh wow. So that's a huge markup. That's a huge markup.


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[Assistant] But I thought that taxpayers themselves were the ones who paid for the development of this thing, right? Through that operation warp speed that happened out of the Trump administration. Like, why are these publicly paid for vaccines now going to make a lot of money for pharmaceutical companies?


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[Assistant] So is this basically the government acknowledging that yes, this will mean fewer people will have access to the vaccines and that's okay because, you know, the vaccines are just not as important as they once were. Because most people have gotten at least a few doses already.


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[Assistant] So the Biden administration is effectively now saying, you know, we're not in that public health emergency anymore. We can no longer justify Title 42, the rule that allowed the US to keep people out because it was a global pandemic.


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[Assistant] So Apoorva, before the break, you said that the timing for the administration's decision to end the public health emergency is in part because of politics. What are those politics?


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[Assistant] So the decision to do this now was not based purely on some public health calculation about COVID.


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[Assistant] Does any of this change the way we should be thinking about how we approach COVID? Like, as individuals? What should be my COVID hygiene practices, if you will?


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[Assistant] So it sounds like you're saying, I don't need to get a booster anymore. I mean, I'm a healthy person. I'm done with boosters.


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[Assistant] So then, can we just start treating this thing like the flu? Is COVID the flu, basically, at this point?


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[Assistant] Up where for the last time we did an episode together, I asked you...


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[Assistant] The Republican-led House passed a resolution to oust Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota from the Foreign Affairs Committee over her past comments about Israel that were condemned as anti-Semitic.


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[Assistant] The U.S. announced it would increase its military presence in the Philippines to what will be the largest U.S. presence there in 30 years.


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[Assistant] The deal comes as Washington tries to reaffirm its influence in the region and to counter what it sees as aggression from China.


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[Assistant] Today's episode was produced by Michael Simon Johnson, Shannon Lin, and Jessica Chung.


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[Assistant] Contains original music by Marianne Lozano and Dan Powell and was engineered by Chris Wood.


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[Assistant] To do something very bold. When they have a child who has obesity.


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[Assistant] They say you have to be aggressive. You have to take action now. And it is a response to a new understanding of what obesity is and what to do about it.


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[Assistant] 14.4 million children and adolescents. One in five. A lot of children.


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[Assistant] They're very sweeping. They involve examining a child as young as two.


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[Assistant] And saying, does this child have obesity? If so, they advise intensive lifestyle counseling and treatment.


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[Assistant] And for children who are 12 years old or older.


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[Assistant] With severe obesity, they might want to consider bariatric surgery, weight loss surgery.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And I know their concern is.


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[Assistant] You can't ignore obesity in general. It doesn't go away. Kids do not outgrow it.


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[Assistant] And once it gets started, it just persists through a lifetime and gets worse as the child gets older. And especially for adults, obesity is linked to a higher risk of diabetes, high blood pressure, and other issues. So what the American Academy of Pediatrics is saying, if you see obesity in a child, you just can't ignore it. You really can't. You've got to take action now.


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[Assistant] It's been a really long journey. It started back in the 1960s, sort of the baby fat era. Around then


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[Assistant] So people just said, okay, well you know, some kids are chubby.


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[Assistant] On anybody's agenda is a big issue.


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[Assistant] Don't eat so much sugar. Exercise more. This should not be an issue. You just have to get people moving and tell them to eat fewer calories and everything will be fine.


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[Assistant] But even with all this focus on diet foods and proper nutrition and getting out and exercising, the problem was just not going away. And in fact, it was getting worse.


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[Assistant] So in the 1990s, people said, well, maybe we could do some interventions and see what would happen if we did a large study and try to see if we do everything that we think will make a difference, are we right?


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[Assistant] So the National Institutes of Health spent a lot of money on two large and rigorous studies and they said, let's randomize schools. Some schools are the control schools. Don't touch the kids there. Everything's the same. The other schools, they,


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[Assistant] About proper nutrition and why they had to exercise. They brought the parents in.


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[Assistant] Waits than the kids in the control schools. But the results were nothing like what the researchers were hoping for.


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[Assistant] After studying thousands of kids for years in this intervention where they did everything that they thought was needed.


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[Assistant] Some people said, it's the neighborhood. It's the expectations of families and children. It's poverty. It's lack of access to fresh fruits and vegetables. And you know, a lot of that stuff, it's not like it's nonsense. It really isn't. But you know, what happened after that,


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[Assistant] was our understanding of obesity really began to change. Among some people, not everybody, but among some people, a new thinking about what's really going on here.


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[Assistant] Well, in addition to environmental factors, there was also a strong genetic component.


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[Assistant] Genes started to be found. I mean, there's dozens now.


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[Assistant] That affect how much people want to eat, how full they feel.


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[Assistant] What kinds of foods they crave. And it's not like there's one gene. What happens is people inherit like a cluster. And different clusters for different people. It's not...


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[Assistant] All under your control. You can't be arbitrarily thin


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[Assistant] And you can't be arbitrarily fat. You don't have


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[Assistant] That is correct, and they started to say obesity is a chronic disease.


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[Assistant] Now you could say lung cancer among smokers. We call that a disease. We don't call it a lifestyle choice. Most smokers do not get lung cancer. But there is an environmental impetus that in some people,


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[Assistant] This is a real shift in thinking about what obesity is and what you're supposed to do when you see it in a child.


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[Assistant] The guidelines say that they should be offered something that they call intensive behavioral and lifestyle treatment. They say that's the most effective thing short of medications and surgery.


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[Assistant] The physical activity, counseling on behavioral changes. These programs involve lots of specialists, nutrition counselors, maybe psychological counseling, people to help with physical activity. It's a big deal.


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[Assistant] They recommend that treatment for everyone, but by the time you're 12,


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[Assistant] There are a whole class of these drugs. There are some new ones though that are extremely effective for most people. They're so called GLP-1 receptor agonists. That's the class of drugs.


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[Assistant] They were discovered as diabetes drugs, but it turns out they act to decrease appetite. They slow the rate at which people's stomachs empty and they act on the brain so you don't want to eat as much.


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[Assistant] No, they were approved by the FDA because they were actually tested in children age 12 and up. And they are just as effective and no more dangerous in children than in adults.


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[Assistant] Have they been around for decades to find out like in 30 years? No. But, you know, this is a serious chronic disease.


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[Assistant] This is for children 13 and older with severe obesity.


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[Assistant] There are a couple kinds of bariatric surgery. They're pretty intense because what they do is they pretty much rearrange your intestines, make your stomach into a little pouch, but also redirect the whole flow of food.


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[Assistant] But they're strange because people often change their preferences for food. People often have said things like, you know, I used to crave sweets and now I don't even care about sweets.


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[Assistant] It has so many metabolic and biochemical changes on the body when you do this that they don't really know which ones are making the difference.


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[Assistant] You know, it's so strange because they do it laparoscopically.


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[Assistant] It doesn't have a long recovery time, but once you have it,


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[Assistant] It's forever. You have it the rest of your life. You cannot reverse it. You can't say, I want my old intestines back. It's gone.


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[Assistant] All the virtues are that they take obesity seriously. They don't.


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[Assistant] Ignore the problem, they don't say it will go away, and they say you need aggressive action. Right.


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[Assistant] There are two big objections. One big objection is who is going to pay for all this.


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[Assistant] Often insurers will pay for a doctor to counsel a child, but many insurers will not pay for the whole team.


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[Assistant] And they're expensive. A thousand dollars or so a month. The new ones that a lot of people really want. Surgery? They'll pay for surgery.


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[Assistant] There are people who for a lot of reasons would say, how about health at any size? How about body positivity? How about accepting me for what I am and stop trying to make me into some ideal of what you think a child or a person should look like?


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[Assistant] And not everybody with obesity has health problems.


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[Assistant] There are people with obesity who do not have diabetes, do not have high blood pressure, who do not have any of the things that people are saying, and a lot of people are healthy. So leave them alone, some people would say.


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[Assistant] The reality is there's widespread discrimination against people with obesity and children and adolescents often suffer mightily.


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[Assistant] They're routinely bullied. Not just at school, weirdly enough, at home too. It's hard for them to make friends. Teachers have lower expectations of them and give them lower grades.


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[Assistant] They often become anxious, depressed, socially isolated. It's a big burden for a child. For many people with obesity, it is a really difficult life.


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[Assistant] I think they felt it. How could they not have felt it? I mean, you can't escape it.


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[Assistant] People stare at kids with obesity. They do. You are judged.


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[Assistant] And everywhere you go, people assume it's your fault, you're out of control, and you're not a virtuous person.


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[Assistant] That's my hope. My hope is that if people actually


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[Assistant] Know about, understand, and believe what the pediatricians are saying. It could destigmatize obesity.


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[Assistant] Children with obesity should not be stigmatized any more than a child with another chronic disease like diabetes, asthma, anything else. It's not their fault. It's a disease and it has to be taken seriously.


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[Assistant] As chair of the party, I apologize deeply for this.


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[Assistant] It will only, I think, breed distrust within the intelligence community as to what it can share and what it can feel confident about sharing with the Congress.


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[Assistant] We found out about this on Saturday FBI agents spent nearly 13 hours scouring his Delaware home on Friday.


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[Assistant] Americans have moved on from the pandemic. Georgians in my district went back to work and back to school over two years ago. Emergency executive authority should be limited.


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[Assistant] And only for extraordinary circumstances. And this is no longer an extraordinary circumstance.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] And with that, Cory, we are ready to get into it. Let's jump into it.


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[Assistant] I'm ready. I don't know of what value I am, but I'll try my best to give the play by, or at least color. You're given the play by play. I'm the color commentary guy.


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[Assistant] Who said, ah, you know what, it hasn't worked for the first six or seven days. There's no way it's gonna work tomorrow. Let's just call it quits.


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[Assistant] So anyway, they cross the creek and yeaah. To make it clear in my mind, where's Donnie when all of this is going on? He had went back home.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay, he, he, he did have the option.


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[Assistant] I've not used one. I've got one, but I've not had to use it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that applies even if it's just a three day hunt. I mean, you're seven or eight day hunt, you know, on that three day hunt. It's like, yeah, I'm going to hike out of here. It's going to take me.


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[Assistant] Hour, hour and a half to get out of here. I don't care if it's rifle or archery.


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[Assistant] Mentally, your mind is now, okay, tomorrow at work I gotta this, or I gotta that, or...


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[Assistant] Physically you're not prepared, mentally you're not prepared, you gotta pull your mind back to the mental checklist you go through for a set up, for getting a shot ready, and usually you fumble. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] But I think about myself after six or seven days of hunting. I'm tired. I've been eating crappy meals. I haven't been getting much sleep.


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[Assistant] You know, that, that, that bed at home would really be nice a day early, you know.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm just putting myself in the realistic place of where I've done that before.


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[Assistant] I have said, you know what, I'm wasting my time out here. And I don't know that I was wasting my time.


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[Assistant] But as long as my mind felt like I was wasting my time, I probably was wasting my time.


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[Assistant] It's this mindset to get you back to what you're talking about. That's a mindset of, I've still got a day. I've eliminated all the places they aren't. This is where they're probably at.


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[Assistant] And I think that's where, you know, when you go on a long hard hunt, like you're talking about, and you're talking about this backpack that you had, that, that,


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[Assistant] All these, you'll hear the comment very often, well grandpa just hunted in his blue jeans in his flannel. Yup, he did. And he had success.


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[Assistant] But all these little pointers and pieces I think where people are, okay. I know that my layering system.


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[Assistant] Is gonna perform better and if I have to, I have an extra outer layer that if I have to sleep on the mountain that night, I'm gonna be a lot warmer than if I just, you know, did whatever.


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[Assistant] My pack is this much more comfortable, so I can carry.


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[Assistant] You know, I call it load carriage. I can carry a little bit more.


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[Assistant] And it doesn't even feel like it used to because my pack is arranged and in such a good pack, it puts the weight on my hips. It does all that stuff.


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[Assistant] So all these times when we kinda nerd out on gear, it's...


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[Assistant] But for me anyhow, it's to keep my mind and my body performing better, longer into the hunt.


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[Assistant] Putting the wear and tear on my knees, on my back, on everything else. To the degree my old gear used to. I mean, I...


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[Assistant] I think if I was still haunting, when I first moved to Montana for the first three seasons, I used my Jansport book bag as my backpack.


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[Assistant] That's all I could afford. That's, that's what I had. So, you know, now I think about, boy, if I was still using that thing, my body, you know, it just, all these progressions of things of gear. I don't want to think, I always get hesitant because I don't want people to think gear.


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[Assistant] Those little bits of comfort that maybe just help you sleep a little better. Okay. I brought a little bit thicker pad or I, I, you know, better nutrition, you know, better water, hydration. Those are the things that will get you to hunt hard on day five and day six and day seven.


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[Assistant] It's, it'll be less of a drain on your body, which is less of a drain on your mind.


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[Assistant] No one's ever, no one's ever killed an elk sitting back at home watching the football game on the couch.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna call BS, if somebody emails us with that.


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[Assistant] That's a good reminder to people because by that time, you know, we have the big pulse of enthusiasm. Boy, we're going to go get them this year. I got it all figured out. And by day two, if you haven't heard a bugle, haven't had an encounter, it's easy to get discouraged. Yeah. I do think the experiences of, of life.


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[Assistant] Wherever it is in your life teaches you that if you stick with it.


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[Assistant] And gals who are that 10% who fill their tag every year are the ones who just, they're not affected by that. They're mentally pushing through that. And that's what separates that 10% from the other 90%.


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[Assistant] As I'm listening to this, I'm thinking about my six days starting next week. I was like, all right on day six.


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[Assistant] Am I gonna, am I gonna have what it takes to push through or am I gonna fold the tent and say ahh, heck with it, let's just go home.


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[Assistant] Don't matter what, I'm not giving in. This is, this has been a good reminder to that.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm looking forward to this one, Corey. I've not heard this story, I don't think so. I don't think you have either.


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[Assistant] Yeah, am I to interrupt you in the middle of your story and ask questions or am I supposed to write them all down and ask them after?


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[Assistant] Alright, I'll, I'll try my best. Just know I'm the opposite of you. If you give me a script, I'll read the hi, how you doing, and get to the first sentence. And then it's just winging it after that.


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[Assistant] Huh. All right. Well, where's this, where, where, where's this hunt taking place at? What year and where at?


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[Assistant] How do you know it wasn't the same hunter for three years?


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[Assistant] Is there, so when you say it took you four hours.


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[Assistant] Was that because there's a ton of elevation? Because it was really steep? Because there's thick alders or all the above?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Now at this time when you hear a bugle at one o'clock, are you thinking he's bedded or are you thinking he's on his feet?


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[Assistant] Is this early in September, mid, late September?


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[Assistant] So is this like a finger ridge that comes off the main spine or is this the main ridge itself?


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[Assistant] So, you said Donnie dropped down or, or you dropped down?


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[Assistant] And you're thinking the bull's gonna hear Donnie at his level.


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[Assistant] You got an uphill thermal, so if the bull comes in, he's more likely to come slightly uphill from Donnie to try.


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[Assistant] So is Donnie calling aggressively out this time or is he just trying to sound like another group of elk?


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[Assistant] So when you do this, were you trying to push her, so you're kinda between the cow and the bull. Yup. You're hoping that whatever direction or movement you make, it pushes her further away from the bull?


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[Assistant] Okay. So, but on this Ridge you're on though, you've got enough cover that you're not Skylined or out in the open or?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so that's out there on Destination Elk or Elk101 YouTube channel.


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[Assistant] It works, you might even get a chance to hit a little root ball.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so when you made that bugle, so the cows scatter, you make this bugle and you can hear, oh, he's coming. Now, if you heard he's coming,


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[Assistant] There could be the instinct of, oh, I better get ready right here. Did you move from there? Because it seems like if he know, if he heard that bigly,


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[Assistant] My experience with Elk is he knows within a yard of where you're standing. And if you don't move, he's going to come.


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[Assistant] And he's gonna find some place where he can look to see where that noise came from. So you guys moved in.


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[Assistant] He, you, you anticipated how he was gonna come in looking for your bugle?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well the good news of that was, it sounds like it was a clean mess, no blood on your arrow. But it...


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[Assistant] It brings the question, okay, you know that bull likes to live there. Was this enough to?


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[Assistant] Spook him out for the season, or is he a bull that...


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[Assistant] Huh. So what you're saying is you're gonna give some listener that waypoint?


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[Assistant] Wait, you suppose that he was up in that? I mean, that's a nasty hole, it sounds like. Was he there just because, do you think?


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[Assistant] The cows led him there to be undisturbed or he pushed the cows there to be undisturbed and they could just make their daily living up there. There was enough food, enough water and bedding that it's like.


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[Assistant] Ha, look at us, we're not gonna get her ass this year.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. The reason I ask that is in my continual search of new studies and other stuff, there's these studies coming out about


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[Assistant] Things that we think of as off season activity, human activity, mountain biking, ATVing, whatever it is, high, high pressure activity, human presence in the woods.


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[Assistant] And how it's moving cow elk away from where they might've traditionally been.


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[Assistant] So I'm in my head, I'm thinking, okay, do I need to add to my pre-scouting, my e-scouting?


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[Assistant] Another layer of where is there intense summer activity?


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[Assistant] That's gonna move the cows somewhere else. In other words, almost where are the places where there isn't intense summer activity?


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[Assistant] That I might find a cow, a group of cows like you encountered that are attractable when the rut comes.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and the new studies that have come out,


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[Assistant] It's surprising what little bit of recurring human activity bumps cow elk. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] So I'm starting to think, okay, where are these places that have mountain bikers and dog walkers and whatever? And can I find a layer on my map? But I can say, okay.


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[Assistant] That's where this is happening. Here's the remaining places. These cows now, especially in early season.


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[Assistant] Uh, they've established, all right, here's the place I can go and get fat for the rest of the summer. I'm going to hang out here. I, you know, there's 60 acres or a hundred acres here that I can feed on that for the rest of the summer. I got some bedding 300 yards away. Man, I, I found my little spot and the bull's going to find them.


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[Assistant] Right. He's cruising the countryside. He's going to locate where these cows are at. So in my head, I'm in fact, uh, some of the places that I've e-scouted for my Idaho Alcon, let's


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[Assistant] Starts in early September is to test out a little bit of this theory of.


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[Assistant] Because the place I'm going, there's a ton of open ATV trails. It's near a popular tourism spot. It's like hikers everywhere. There's summer cabins. So, you know, there's dog walkers. It's like, all right.


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[Assistant] If I was one of these general recreationists or one of these cabin owners, where would I not go?


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[Assistant] And those are the places I'm going to go look for cow elk because now.


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[Assistant] I'm able to, you know, through a lot of the terrain analysis stuff, I can see where the feed is going to be and things like that. So, uh, that's, that's interesting. That's why I was asking a lot of those questions.


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[Assistant] How you got there, how far away, what, you know, all that stuff, because...


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[Assistant] I'm starting to wonder how many of these cow elk groups are getting relocated from, you know, you'll hear people say, oh, all the elk are gone.


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[Assistant] Well, is there now new summer activity going on in your hunting area that


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[Assistant] But that will displace them to a new spot somewhere within that general area.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like 3000 vertical feet having to come around.


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[Assistant] The backside and drop back down into the alders. That's like, that's...


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[Assistant] That's a serious sanctuary, Cory. Cause I always say a sanctuary is the place most hunters would look at and say, I don't need an elk that bad. That's a sanctuary.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're probably up there laughing saying, well.


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[Assistant] It's 6.30 in the morning. We'll respond to that guy at about 8.30. At 8 o'clock.


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[Assistant] We'll get him all wound up and by the time he gets even halfway up here, the thermals will have changed and we'll know exactly where he's at and we'll just move off the side quietly. And then they go over two ridges away and have a morning coffee and laugh about it or something.


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[Assistant] I always preach about sanctuaries because rifle pressure can really drive, and that's strictly hunting pressure that drives out the sanctuaries.


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[Assistant] I'm starting to have all this research that's come out in the last couple of years and all my reading is starting to get me focusing on.


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[Assistant] Where are, as you call them, summer sanctuaries, at least early season sanctuaries, you know, late August, early September.


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[Assistant] So, in these instances, did the cows see you or smell you?


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[Assistant] Smelled ya. Okay, but in the first instance, the cow saw ya.


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[Assistant] Yep, that's what I was getting at is, uh, you know, did you get the bark of death?


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[Assistant] Be any less or more effective because my experience is.


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[Assistant] When a bull breaks up a herd of cows, the cows don't bark. But when a human, when they know it's a human, they bark. And that's probably going to tell that herd bull.


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[Assistant] No, this is another bull. Those ladies told me that there's some stinky, sweated up hunter up there. I'm getting the hell out of Dodge.


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[Assistant] Here he comes again, dang it. This guy won't leave us alone, Fred. Come run him off.


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[Assistant] So you know what? We're going to get a bunch of reports, Corey, of people saying, yeah, I did the charge of the light brigade. Like Corey said, man.


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[Assistant] I almost got stabbed by an elk antler. He was coming at me while I was running.


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[Assistant] Now you got my mind thinking about when I'm out here in a couple weeks chasing elk with my bow. What am I gonna do if a cow sees me? And I know there's a bull around. I'm doing it Cory.


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[Assistant] I'm going to try to run her off and I'm going to make the most rip snort and bugle I can, and I'm going to just get ready, boy. I'm coming to...


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[Assistant] No, that's cool stuff. I don't mean to pester you all the way along as you're telling your story, but I'm just trying to make sure if


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[Assistant] I'm having the, you know, cause I'm trying to envision your setup and then how the mountain rolls and the finger ridges. And so the more of that, you know, I think the more context is provided as you describe it. So.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations, so we usually go down some rabbit holes, but if you


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[Assistant] It's not too bad. I do have one and I don't use it because of that, but every time you roll over a movement, I roll a lot, so I can't have a noisy one or I'm awake all night.


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[Assistant] You know, we talked about, I was going to have to change tactics and I was going to sit in a tree and shoot an elk over water and we, uh.


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[Assistant] We gave it a good try. I didn't actually climb in a tree though. We just sat in ground blinds, just built natural ground blinds around the wallows and sat there. And I mean, anytime you're hunting September heat, especially if you get something down as a concern and that was definitely a concern and on our minds, but didn't stop us from going and trying.


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[Assistant] Yup. You know, that's a very true statement.


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[Assistant] And it, it actually came to, to be true again on this hunt. One of the things I always remind myself is


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[Assistant] You know, as these hunts go on and you're unsuccessful for...


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[Assistant] It's the same results every day. Nothing's changing. You aren't able to make anything happen.


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[Assistant] And Babe Ruth used to say, he said something in an interview, they were asking him, you know, it's ninth inning, you've got two outs and you're down to run and you're up to bat and you've got two strikes against you, you're starting to feel the pressure. And he said something to the effect of,


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[Assistant] The episodes of that, but yeaah, we can talk about it. There was some cool stuff. I said that in


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[Assistant] Well, I'll spare some of the details just so that there's some excitement in watching the episodes, but we, uh,


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[Assistant] Hunt for a week and then be home for a week and then hunt for a week and be home for a week just.


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[Assistant] And we were laying in, in the tent, in the sleeping bag. I had the Peaks TP with me and first time sleeping in a, in a TP in early season like that.


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[Assistant] And, uh, my, you know, the verdict's still out on, on that. They need, I told Bryce, I need a, a mesh net, because I have more spiders climbing on me in my sleeping bag this season than,


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[Assistant] I was comfortable with, but laying there in the tent in my sleeping bag about 15 minutes before dark the night before season opened and a bull bugles.


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[Assistant] And I just, you know, it's first bugle of the season and it's right from camp and it's, it's going to be good.


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[Assistant] And the bowl was just ripping, just bugling, big mature sounding bowl.


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[Assistant] So we chased him to the top of the mountain, which, you know, I figured he'd come down to feed in water and probably bed and up at the top. So we chased him 1200 feet vertical or something and he dropped off the backside and the wind was bad. And so that was the story of, uh,


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[Assistant] But on the hike back to camp, we had five or six other bulls bugle as we're dropping down the hill and each of them just kind of bugled once and they're pretty timid bugles, but that was fine by me. Opening day.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we sat water from about 10 AM till about 6 PM.


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[Assistant] It was tough hunting, uh, but we did see a group of four bulls that fed across an open hillside. One of the bulls had been on the same hillside two mornings in a row and it fed through the same little saddle.


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[Assistant] Sitting on water wasn't working, we couldn't get them to bugle, hiking around all day like we usually do, just, it wasn't effective at all, it was just so hot.


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[Assistant] So we left camp before daylight and put our bows on our backpacks and we climbed, we probably climbed 800 or 900 vertical feet from camp and had another couple hundred to go and it was


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[Assistant] Daylight, we glassed up a couple bowls across the canyon on the hillside and I still had my bow on my backpack and I thought, man, it's...


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[Assistant] And we'd watched two bulls fight the day before across the canyon. You could hear the antlers hitting from across the canyon. So I was like, all right, bulls fighting somewhere. Where is it? And so I kind of stood up to look around and I heard.


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[Assistant] And I knew it, I'd heard bulls when they rake or fight, they'll make that little mew sometimes. And I heard that and said, okay, I've gotta be fairly close if I'm hearing that.


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[Assistant] And I looked to my right and 50 yards away I see a bull getting pushed into the sage brush and then he pushes back. I have two bulls fighting 50 yards from me from where I dropped my backpack to take my bow off my back.


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[Assistant] Donnie's right with me and I'm like, there's bulls fighting right here at 50 yards and


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[Assistant] Range to the back of the bowl as they're still just carrying on it on the sagebrush there and they're going at it pretty good. It's not just a early season spar, they're getting after it.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I look back and Donnie's standing there with the video camera and holding it, waiting on me. So.


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[Assistant] We're in the right place at the right time. And of course we had seen the bulls and had a plan to go up there and hunt them, but to catch them fighting.


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[Assistant] We brought Elkmete out and I've ridden motorcycles my whole life. Donny's ridden them a bit, but is not.