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[Assistant] I think there's a few things here. One, that was his first truly elite year, right? The other years were good.


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[Assistant] But this was the first year we went, hey I think maybe he's one of the top corners in football. Sorry, so that hurts him a little bit.


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[Assistant] Also what hurts him and what hurt the trade value as far as that. It's not about the devaluing of the player. It's that everybody, again, like we talked about, kind of knows Kansas City doesn't want to sign them to a long-term deal, right? They're paying my homes.


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[Assistant] A ton of money. They're paying Chris Jones a ton of money. They're gonna have to pay Trent McDuffie a ton of money. They're probably gonna want to pay George Carlaptis a ton of money. They're paying Jawan Taylor like the highest paid right tackle in football.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, they got Travis Kelsey, who's up there as far as tight ends are concerned. They have two younger cornerbacks in Watson and Williams who are damn good. What's the point of drafting good and doing all this shit if you're not gonna let these guys come up and replace some of the guys that, you know, hey, he's awesome, you like to keep him, but it's too high priced. We can't have it all. So I get that.


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[Assistant] There must have been the, also then the contract plays into it. I think that's the biggest thing. So all the things we just talked about, and then what you're talking about too, teams call and go, hey, we really like Legerius, whoa, hey, we'll talk, hey, yeah, he's up, we're up to talk their trade, but you gotta talk to his agent. And then they talk to the agent and they go,


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[Assistant] He wants 48 million guaranteed. He wants 20 million. Shit, we weren't expecting that. Okay, we're out of it. We're out of it. I'm sorry. We like the player, but we just, we can't afford that right here. Right? So I think there's probably that too.


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[Assistant] As far as how much money you're throwing at that type of player and the draft capital and all of that plays into it. Uh, I don't think it's devalued the position. I won't say that. I don't. I think there's still.


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[Assistant] You know, you look at the really good teams in football, right, and the best defenses, I think that's one thing that...


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[Assistant] We know they have. Okay? Right? Where, it's, who were the top three defenses in football last year? Uh, the Browns. Mhm. I mean, holy shit. Corners are awesome, right? All three of them. Right? Kansas City is number two. Awesome. Corners, right? The Jets.


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[Assistant] Pretty damn good corners, right? You have the Cowboys at five, I mean when they have


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[Assistant] Back to our rankings in that conversation, only the guys that can live on an island and go, I got you. Hey coach, don't worry. I can cover Tyree kill. We don't have to devise a whole game plan to help me out today.


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[Assistant] Those are the guys that I think you're seeing getting paid. And again, when you talk about, you know, Trayvon Diggs.


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[Assistant] Marlon Humphrey, Jair Alexander, Denzel Ward, right? Johnson, the Bears guy. Jalen Johnson, what are we talking about in those guys? None of those are nickel guys. All those guys are on the outside covering the best receivers in football. And so hopefully that helps people understand my


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[Assistant] Mitchell. Quinian Mitchell, I know. I love me some Quinian Mitchell. He's got that attitude, I just, I like. It's that Devon Witherspoon, Akib Tlaib.


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[Assistant] Just in your face, right? He looks like a Darrell Reeves in a lot of ways. Darrell was quiet on the field, but yeah, the play, the explosiveness.


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[Assistant] Right, the cockiness, the ball skills, right? Yeah, Quinian Mitchell is definitely a top 10 pick. And like I said, if it was a college that was on his jersey that everybody was a little more warm and cozy with, it's definitely top five pick.


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[Assistant] The player, the specimen, the athlete is worthy of the top five pick in the NFL draft. I just don't know if everybody will be able to swallow, we took somebody from Toledo at number four or whatever. They can't, they shouldn't and he should


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, thank you. All goes back to the Alliance. Alright everybody, I hope you enjoyed the cornerback rankings. Some good discussions there. We'll be back Wednesday. Edge rushers like Ahmed said.


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[Assistant] We'll dive into all of that stuff. I can't wait. I'm kind of a few guys through here so far.


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[Assistant] Right? Looks like it's a pretty good class. Looks like there's some top end guys to love too.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that'll be a good talk. And then, you know, next week we'll probably Monday getting a little AMA about the...


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[Assistant] Peace out homies. Be good. See you on Wednesday. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Me and Ahmed Farid are gonna be here for it all. You know, we got free agency. We're gonna break it all down. The draft, the rankings of positions. Of course, we're gonna unpack it all. Hit subscribe, get to my free agency reactions, 2024 draft rankings and more. Thanks again for watching. Peace out, homies. See you soon.


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[Assistant] Like, I've really enjoyed these five years, and I got here, this was one of the first things I did when I got here. I think I did Rugby one day, and then I did the Chris Simms Unbuttoned podcast. Damn, I left the Bay Area for this. Which is kind of indicative of what my career has been like at NBC. I don't know what I'm doing from one day to the next, which has been awesome.


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[Assistant] Like this has been like so enjoyable, probably the most enjoyable thing that I've done in building, getting to talk to you and sit down, relax, just dude to dude.


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[Assistant] Because you get into the nitty-gritty here. You're training for your future time as the Giants GM 10 years down the road. Uhm, so you're gonna look at all these guys. I know it's a stressful time for you, but it's a fun time. And this is the time, this sets the base layer for you because


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[Assistant] You have as much knowledge, and here we are just gonna be complimenting each other, of every player in the NFL as any analyst I know. And I think a lot of that comes from this work you do right now over the next couple months. Yes, you're gonna look at so much tape, you're gonna learn about these guys in their college so that when they're in the NFL next year, the year after that, like you already kinda know about them and you have that base.


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[Assistant] When you're looking at them. For a long time. I mean- Sometimes. Or can you do it pretty quickly?


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[Assistant] We need the homies to photoshop that meme now with Chris in the place of the dude. Uhm, well that's good. And so we're gonna use that information to inform us this draft season.


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[Assistant] I wanna get into some of the positions first, but let's start with the interviews. Because that's when I came in here first, I was like, I wanna know, like, who stood out to you? We're gonna get names here now, like, who stood out to you? Maybe what were answers that were a little, you know, different or made you stand up and go, wow, that's a great answer to that question. So, uh, Kyle Vert 53 had the same question as me. He goes, which prospect


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[Assistant] From what I've seen from him and you couldn't see much because USC was pretty, you know, they, they kept them like, I think we did their game. They didn't even talk to our broadcast crew. And so they didn't do a whole lot of interviews with Caleb Williams.


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[Assistant] You've seen the stuff in the press, his team, you know, it's very manicured on some of the social media stuff they do. I was waiting to see what Caleb Williams was going to look like. He did seem, through the TV screens, like a good dude that wanted to be there and, you know, said the right stuff. Sitting down with him, what'd you think?


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[Assistant] Um, and that they don't, you know, they, they see it as an opportunity and not as a chance for messing up. Positive mind frame mindset. But it's also that how that affects your teammates, right? Having a guy like that, right? With that confidence and that it's like that just brings out the best in the people around them too.


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[Assistant] So to tie it up, we don't want, we don't want to be negative about anyone, but was there anyone that was maybe too overly coached that you're just like, oh man, let your personality go out there. You're the man. I've seen you on tape. Get out there. Embrace this whole process. Maybe it was Marvin Harrison. Cause no one talked to him.


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[Assistant] That gives us a kind of a idea on who these guys are. Cause you know, it's like we all can see the other stuff. It's like, but who are these guys? Really? Which ones are popping? Who have the leadership qualities there?


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[Assistant] Uh, there too. So let's get into kind of some of the, what we saw on the field or maybe just with some of your film. I don't want to talk too much about quarterbacks here. You've already said too much about quarterbacks. You've already leaked too much that's in your brain on these quarterbacks. We're doing the rankings Wednesday.


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[Assistant] So the official Chris Sims rankings will be out. They will be adjusted one time at a later date where you'll move one guy from 5 to 6 or something like that.


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[Assistant] But maybe not this year, because we're deeper into the process, I think. So we don't want to give away too much on this.


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[Assistant] Caleb gets flack for being cocky, but I think he has competitive arrogance. He thinks he's the guy and will do anything to prove it. Don't all elite quarterbacks have it? Isn't it different from narcissism a la Johnny Manziel? So this is bordering on what we just talked about, but yeah, the difference between the confidence and the cockiness and the arrogance.


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[Assistant] Jimmy Dean says damn okay, Penex has an arm, but to the wide receivers he was throwing to have hands. I swear there was little attempt to catch any of the balls.


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[Assistant] That's my biggest complaint because I think, you know, you talked about it with Marvin Harrison Knot and Mike Florio, and he's always a proponent of the players doing whatever they want to do. You know, but I'm of the mindset, like,


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[Assistant] It's an opportunity to go out there and do something great, right? You look at it as,


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[Assistant] A lot of players, and I wish everyone would compete in the combine, you know, partly because I want to watch it selfishly, but also because it's just like, what do you got to lose? And I know some people are like, well, you got a lot to lose. Well, not if you think you're going to go out there and like,


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[Assistant] And you look at these jerks. Exactly. And I get the medical thing actually for Caleb Williams too. It's just like, cause who knows? Like one doctor at the combine sees something, then it becomes a story and then that follows you your whole career. Like I actually do get that. I definitely.


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[Assistant] How does this affect your assessment when comparing young 3-year starters like Williams, May, McCarthy against the older 5 and 6-year starters like Knicks?


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[Assistant] Daniels Pennex, who might not have been as good as the younger players were two to three years ago, but obviously learned as they went here. And again, this is a discussion we'll have more on Wednesday, but just briefly, like that will be a challenging part of some of this. It is every year, but especially now you have the COVID year and you got guys that bone X who started more games and played more than any other quarterback in the history of college football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the idea is that the 22 year old, maybe with 3 more years of training could get there. Hard to say though, right? Because in the NFL, it's like Tom Brady grew as a quarterback his entire career, right? I mean, like, he became a different quarterback in his 30s than he was in his 20s.


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[Assistant] The internet talks. Good. And you don't even like that. You're like, get away. Stop clicking on it. I don't want it to be clickbaity. Uhm, but wide receivers is also going to be a hot topic of conversation because there are so many of them. There are a lot of good Texas athletes at this combine too.


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[Assistant] It makes sense why they were where they were. We kinda showed out. We kinda stole the show. Uh, Xavier Worthy was awesome. Yep. Anastasia Williams tweets into us as, uh, it has to be more than a damn okay for Xavier Worthy. Is it Xavier Egg Xavier? I think it's Xavier.


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[Assistant] A lot of teams draft board. So this is interesting, right? It was like, you had the two segments here. You're like, dang, that really does move them up. He's got elite, obviously elite speed, maybe the most elite that we've ever seen.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, you look at some other guys who have run elite times at the Combine, you're like, I never remember him really doing much in the NFL. Yea, it doesn't always work, right. Right. So what do you think? Does this, does this help him? Obviously you can't really hurt him, but.


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[Assistant] Xavier Leggett or Egg Xavier Leggett from South Carolina. So that's going to be, we're going to have to sort this whole thing out. There's another guy that you thought looked pretty good, tested very well.


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[Assistant] This is interesting from LipsmacklinGood. Right. Uhm, for wide receivers, and I don't know if you want to talk about Ligette later on, is that what you were pointing to before? Well, yea, we'll hit on him in a minute, but go ahead, let's keep this going. For wide receivers, do you put more value in the 10 yards of the 40? We have the splits for the 40 yard dash and the 10 yard split. He goes, both are valuable, but I feel like


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[Assistant] Uh, if you have Elite 10 speed, you're better at getting separation at the line of scrimmage and can run better routes. Thanks as always.


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[Assistant] And she was like, uh, come on, four, three.


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[Assistant] The difference between a 4-3 and like a 4-4-5, and it was about two yards, maybe even two and a half yards. Right. Which is crazy, after 40 yards, and you're like, okay, that's a deep bomb, but that's significant, that's two yards of separation, that's a difference between


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[Assistant] Okay, Brian Thomas Jr. Uhm, Xavier Worthy was 4.21, Brian Thomas Jr. was 4.33. And look at his 10 on the right. And his 10 was 1.5, so just a hundredth of a second slower than the fastest out there. Right, right. At a bigger size.


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[Assistant] Cornelius Johnson. Yeah, there was the Johnson that I was looking for. Yeah, they were both faster than I thought they were going to be because Michigan's passing offense was not that dynamic, right? It was like, they ran the ball, they didn't need to, that was their identity to run the ball, but they had, I was like, maybe they just don't have weapons.


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[Assistant] So we're going to be talking about wide receivers for a lot, and it's getting to the point where it's like there are so many wide receivers, and I feel like we've said this the last, I don't know, last year, the year before, it's just like there are a ton of wide receivers out there, and we're getting to the point where you're like, there's so many wide receivers, and everyone's like, oh, they're all going to get paid. I was like, is that really true? I was like, I almost feel like the opposite now because you can wait until


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[Assistant] Second round and you're like that dude is a first round talent or can do things that a first rounder can do.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of teams will think that this year, right, that need a good number two receiver and don't really want to pay for it, be like, we can find it in the draft. I think so. It sounds like it and looked like it.


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[Assistant] People are saying that about offensive line as well. Um, I didn't watch a whole lot of offensive line workouts here, but we do have the measurements. You can, you can learn stuff from the measurements. So let's take a look at how they measured in. Uh, Joe Alts has been talked about as the number one tackle, uh, out of Notre Dame. He measured at six, nine.


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[Assistant] 321 pounds, Olufoshanu was 6'6 out of Penn State, 3'12. Uhm, so as we take a look at these


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[Assistant] These heights and weights, some various memes. I know for Georgia got hurt, but he was 6'8", 3'4", he got some...


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[Assistant] This is, uhm, this is, uh, Marius Mims from Georgia here. That's amazing. That's amazing right there. So that's, uh, yeaah. When you look that much bigger, I mean that's...


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[Assistant] But here's, here's Mim standing next to the media, so it's like, actually this picture makes Connor look giant, because everyone else looks even smaller here. I mean, yea, this guy's, this guy.


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[Assistant] All on our, your interviews with Mike, Connor's interviews there, I saw Matthew Barry there too. All on our NBC YouTube page, which is NFL on NBC if you want to do that. Uh, so those are the big butts on the offensive side. You know we gotta give some love to the big butts on the defensive side. You know that. And with that, we have our big butt of the Combine Awards.


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[Assistant] I'm an expert. I couldn't be there. I had to do it off tape. I had to do it off the combine. Not ideal, but we'll see if you can confirm some of these too. And this is not necessarily the size of the butt yet. It's how they performed in combine situations. Uh, so my defensive tackle.


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[Assistant] Big Bud of the Combine, that goes to the Florida State guy, Braden Fisk. Uh, ran the fastest 40 time for any interior defensive lineman. 4-7-8.


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[Assistant] Uh, and at the end of it, he made a bet. He was like, Oh yeah. So he knew he ran a good one there. Uh, also put up the top broad jump vertical jump there. So his athletic profile scores, like they add it all up, put it into a computer and then say, okay, how does everyone else stack up against you?


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[Assistant] He was 6th out of 1620. Wow. These are all interior defensive linemen. They've been adding this up since 1987. He was number 6, had a huge week at the senior bowl.


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[Assistant] Couple weeks ago everyone was raving about him. Killing the pre-drop process. Killing it. Only knock on him. Right.


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[Assistant] He's in the first percentile for arm length. Is that as bad for a defensive lineman as it would be for an offensive lineman?


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[Assistant] It's two big camps in a row for rookie prospects where he has been the talk of it. Exactly right.


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[Assistant] He had the best vertical jump of any defensive lineman or linebacker cause they all worked out together. He had the second best broad jump of any prospect on a Thursday, second best 40 of the day.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they showed on NFL Network him running the 40 along with Derrick Henry and Jalen Hurts from Alabama guys and Dallas beat him. He beat him. He beat both of those guys. Right. And what I liked almost as much as all that.


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[Assistant] A lot of people say, and for good reason, this is a good draft if you're a team in the NFL that needs a quarterback or needs a wide receiver or needs an offensive lineman. And people have said that the top 10 picks could all be offensive players. But that just means that if you're a team that needs defense, when have you ever been able to get the best defensive player?


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[Assistant] Epic 10 or 11, right? I really none of these...


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[Assistant] Like Dallas Turner, in some years, would be a top five pick. Yes? No? I mean, we haven't looked at the film yet. I know. It's hard for me. We'll wait on that.


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[Assistant] So what about those big butts, the DT's, the edges that you saw, you've mentioned a couple, uh, Layatu, Latu. Yes.


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[Assistant] What'd you think of, uh, Chop Robinson? Because, uh, he tested well and I think people thought he would test well because he is that kind of freak. The question was his production at Penn State. You'll have to look at the tape. You know, what system were they running? I mean, they, I think they ran a system that, um,


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[Assistant] Tried to accentuate his, his strengths, but he was not always that productive, got hurt towards the end of the year too, but he tested well.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's clip off some more players that, uh, impressed you, made you say damn okay, maybe goddamn okay. Yeah. And, uh, made the homies say the same thing. Let's, uh, let's roll. We, I think we have the music. Damn. Do we have it? Okay. Damn.


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[Assistant] It's about, I, I feel like, you know, we got the... Hey, I'm Chris Sims, did you know that? Yeah, yeah, so proud. Proudly proclaiming. And the damn okay, it's almost time we come up with a new song, right? We're almost getting to that point.


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[Assistant] He was a rocket. He had three rockets when he ran the fastest time until Wiggins went after him and then hurt his hip flexor. But there's a lot of talk that he could be the guy that if you want to corner, maybe you will have to take him in the top 10 because he could be that.


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[Assistant] Uh, Carmageddon, yea Friday. Carmageddon 4, his damn okay is, how about Wiggins? Run a 4-2-8 40 yard dash but had the second slowest 10 yard split at 1.59. Does that even make sense?


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[Assistant] And that's what speaks to how fast he is if he had a bad start, slow start. And it still ran a 428.


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[Assistant] Did the blocking sled and pushed it like 10 yards down the field farther than every other prospect that was trying to do the same thing.


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[Assistant] The whole tight end group, we will talk about it. It's not getting the glitz and glamour. And running back position's not getting that glitz and glamour this year too, but Ben Money Morris says, damn okay, Tennessee running back Jalen Wright. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on this running back class. I know there aren't any superstars, but I feel like there's value later in the draft and Wright is a home run hitter.


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[Assistant] That's why the, the running backs and the, the debate on why, why is salary depressed? And it's just a very brutal position. I do think that's, that's definitely part of it is that you don't know which one of these guys talented or not.


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[Assistant] Now you look at them, you're like, well there it was, you know, it's really hard at this position just because the injury concern is such a wild card first of all.


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[Assistant] Right, exactly, exactly. And every team kinda looks at it differently, which is the magic and beauty of the NFL. There's no one way to do it. Uh, alright, let's do a couple more here.


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[Assistant] Chris, I don't even know when we started. Uhm, are there any here? Are there any here? Let's do Joe Milton and then any more that maybe catch your eye. Joe Milton, I'll be excited to watch him. So Mark Floyd, any initial thoughts on Joe Milton after the combine? Obviously he has a cannon for an arm, but I haven't heard a ton of draft buzz. So he throws it easy 70 yards, it seems like. I mean, it doesn't even look like he has


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[Assistant] Have you seen his tape? What do you think? Also, why are you low on pennix? Thanks. This is, this is what I like about draft season. And I'm going to try to do it too, because why not? We're all, we all have our list. We all have our board, you know, well on my board, on my board. He's like seven. I don't know where you, where you got it. So lobs all day. I appreciate that the hustle that you too have a draft.


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[Assistant] That's, I'm not saying that right. There's something in there, but I was... Okay, what does that mean? It's just slang that is too cool for us. Okay, alright, uh, I was worried that I was gonna swear again for the second time in this podcast history.


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[Assistant] We'll give it to him. Hey, let's give it to him. Let's give it to him. Damn okay, you guys keep giving away all your quarterback ranking, uh, content, homie. I know, right? Need to keep that for a thrilling surprise countdown on the pot. That's what I'm saying, Dat Fifth Base Doe. Now I'm, I'm on board with that. I love your stuff, man. Uh, God bless you and Ahmed and everyone else except for Pete. Wow.


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[Assistant] On that note, let me just real quick. I did write down the five things that I've learned working with you for five years. Can I do that real quick? Number one is stats lie. You gotta look at context. I learned that from you. Context matters. Context matters. I think one of the first times that happened for me was when you were talking about Justin Fields in college and they said that he did a good job of moving on from his


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[Assistant] You're like, yeah, but in what time is he doing that? Is he doing it like in the pocket or is he doing it after he's scrambled out of the pocket? So I was like, you're right.


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[Assistant] Grinding for five yards each time. Right. Two totally different running backs. Exactly. Right. I learned that too. Right. Um, number three was you gotta have strong opinions held loosely, which is what you do a great job of. You have a strong opinion, but when evidence comes to you that makes you change your mind or reevaluate, we do that on this podcast.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you don't change your mind just because of overwhelming public sentiment.


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[Assistant] So like, you still won't, it's like, just because a lot of people say you're wrong, if you still think you're right.


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[Assistant] You say you're right. And number five is, uh, I do think you have risen to the top of the heap as knowledgeable NFL analysts, your work, your memory, uh, you connect the dots. And I think like most importantly is like, you love this game and you love the players that play the game and you'd like the athletic ability that goes into it. And so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, astronaut, my astronaut. Where'd it go bears? No bears? Mike Dickon the bears came into town, whooped that ass. Where'd it go bears?


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[Assistant] I'm not sure, but that wasn't a damn peacock, okay? What's up everybody? It's wild card weekend. It's Sunday night. Ahmed and Fareed is here to drive the- Ahmed and Fareed? Both of us. Ahmed and I, but Ahmed Fareed is where I was trying to go with that. Ahmed Fareed is here. It's 2420.


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[Assistant] Lions over Rams. We got a banged up Matthew Stafford going into commercial break, right? So we're, we're kind of on edge to see what happens here, but as usual, we're here to break down at least all the games that have happened to this point. We know we got two more on Monday and of course we'll break them down later in the week, but we are here. Amin is feeling good right now.


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[Assistant] I hope you are. Own it. You're a Lions fan. You're wearing your Lions blue. And if I have to host a pod every now and then, I'll do that, okay? So don't you worry. But yeah, we got lots of good stuff to talk to. This one's been really good. And to your point, you know, yeah, I know you want your Lions defense to play better. The Rams defense is incapable so far.


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[Assistant] of stopping the Lions. That's what worries me more than anything. As usual, we're seeing five people at the line of scrimmage, five D linemen. The Rams are trying to play five big people and then stop the pass game off of that. And within that they're stopping nothing. So I do think they got to take a few chances. We'll see where it goes. We'll keep you updated.


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[Assistant] As usual, in the game that you know already, we'll give you the updates.


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[Assistant] Hopefully the, the snow was cleared out a little bit in Buffalo. That was crazy weather. Uh, but we'll see. And then on top of that.


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[Assistant] What does a peacock sound like? Because Pete said he had a sound of what the peacock sounded like, and I'd actually like to know. I think it's more of a yell, but I'm not sure about that. Alright Pete, can we play it?


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[Assistant] It's pretty good. So, uh, I, I like, I feel like I've heard that before and I'm like, I don't know, I've been in South Florida before and some of those neighborhoods like Coral Gables or damn, there's another one I'm blanking on where they like walk around freely. They're everywhere. Uhm, and you'll hear those noises and I, now I know where the hell that noise is coming from.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, neither defense could stop the other team's offense, and here we are now, the Lions are gonna go three drives with only scoring one field goal, and the same thing for the all, and same thing for the Rams, and are they about to go for it here? No way.


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[Assistant] You like to bite kneecaps in Detroit. I'm not sure. I don't know. They had a very, it's gonna be the end of the quarter and he's gonna be able to think about this.


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[Assistant] No, well definitely not. It's more like 48-20, 48-17 type of football game, honestly.


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[Assistant] Well, I will say this, like you heard me say all day, I know I picked the Cowboys to win the football game. I said on my picks podcast, which I know you listen to a lot of the times, I said if there was an upset to happen this weekend, that was the game to be had, right? We always talk about like, yeah, there's teams that are better and we know that, but there's matchups of course that are just not always favorable even to the better team at times, right?


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[Assistant] And this was one where I looked at the Packers and went, okay, hey, there's some things that are in their favor. We always talk about the Dallas Cowboys and the ability to stop the run, right? They have a size problem. Green Bay's, we can run the ball really well, let alone they're creative at it too. Aaron Jones is on fire the way he's playing, right? So there's that aspect.


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[Assistant] That's the first thing. The second thing that I was intrigued by was


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[Assistant] One, Joe Barry, the D coordinator of the Green Bay Packers, which I have looked at and we know it's not been a great defensive showing by them, especially the second half of the year.


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[Assistant] Mike McCarthy, basic west coast offense. Joe Barry was with me when I was with John Gruden, west coast. He knows all those rules. He's been around a lot of west coast guys, including McVeigh. So he knows the basic rules and which is what Mike McCarthy does. Added on top of that, Matt LaFleur, head coach of the Green Bay Packers.


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[Assistant] He was on the staff with Dan Quinn down in Atlanta when he was the head coach and he was working for Shanahan as the offensive coordinator. So there was knowing of their system there. So I think between those two things, I'm mad that I was a chicken, right, not the peacock, the chicken, and I didn't pick Green Bay.


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[Assistant] There were some things there that I went, huh, I know Dallas is better and they're the two and this is the seven, but there are some things about this where I go, Green Bay could pose some problems. We know Dallas likes to play man to man. They got the receivers that can run in Green Bay, right? So where I'm going to start is Green Bay.


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[Assistant] I mean, Green Bay, are you kidding me? It's one of the best defenses in football this year and they marched up and down the field on the Dallas Cowboys at will. I know the final stats are going to say Dallas outgained them by 95 yards. No, they didn't. Not when the game mattered. It didn't matter. Green Bay would have never been stopped all day long. They could have gone to seven, 800 yards.


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[Assistant] You know, I think it's Jordan Love and some of the big throws early on, right? Green, I felt like Dallas was playing the run, and he hit a few big throws, and then all of a sudden it was like, whoa, we can't overplay the run. Jordan Love in the pass game, they got a few answers for us here. Now we gotta worry about the pass game, and then as that kind of went on,


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[Assistant] Then it became, oh no, now here comes a run game as well. And they started to just dominate in all phases of the football game. And of course we know Dak Prescott and company made a few mistakes and the Green Bay defense made a few big plays.


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[Assistant] Uh, disappointing for Dallas. 12 and 5, 3 years in a row. 3 won and outs. And then this one here, it's a team that...


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[Assistant] The training wheels were on Jordan Love. They were finding their footing for the first 10 weeks of the year. Then they kinda got hot. They hit a little lull, they got hot again at the end of the year. Dallas certainly didn't think. Green Bay Packers, Jordan Love, young football team trying to kinda reignite themselves after Aaron Rodgers was gonna come into town.


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[Assistant] Well, there's, and I don't, you know, and I thank you for the love at 49ers701. I really do appreciate that, right? And that's to me, that's another, a deeper conversation of like, again, that's the hard thing about ranking the quarter X is you're like, well, one will be, this guy will be better in year one.


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[Assistant] But if this guy continues to progress the way I think he will, when year three or four gets here, I think he has more of a ceiling, right? And that's where it was tough with Jordan Love, because I saw things, as you know, at the time where I was like, damn, he makes some throws in some plays and Tua can't do that.


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[Assistant] But there would be plays where you'd go, man, the mechanics are horrible and how do you miss that throw or make that throw? And of course, too, it was a little more consistent, but no wow factor. Yea, you make me choose who I want right now, you know who I'm choosing.


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[Assistant] You know, he can, he can make plays and throws that make us go wow. He can make plays and throws where we go, wait, the defense played pretty good here and he's still got it in there or he hung in the pocket and you go, whoa, he's under pressure and there's people there and he's calm and cool and hangs on that back foot, right? He's got long arms, gigantic hands so he can flick the ball.


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[Assistant] And he does not blink in the pocket with people around him. That's what I love about his game more than anything. Can he be more of a machine? Still, certainly. There's room to grow.


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[Assistant] I, I, I, like, I don't think I'm more proud of a human being in football right now than Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] I mean, come on, he was put in the toughest situation of football over the last three years. He had to sit behind a legend. I don't know if this guy's ever going to quit. He's going to be here forever. And then he finally gets thrown in there and it's like, Hey, you better do good. You're replacing Aaron Rogers. And it was a little shaky at first, but man, he hung in there.


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[Assistant] And their offense is fun to watch, certainly. They got a toughness about their football team.


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[Assistant] You heard me say, maybe six or seven weeks ago, when we kinda deep dove the Green Bay Packers offense for the first time, and I had the thought of like, man, what would this, I mean, what would this offense look like with Aaron Rodgers, right? Cause they're not running the Aaron Rodgers offense anymore.


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[Assistant] They're running what Matt LaFleur does, and I love what Matt LaFleur does, because it has of course a lot of that Shanahan, Mike McDaniel vibe of


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[Assistant] Big time throws under pressure today. Big time throws down the football field.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about a game that was similar to this in my opinion later. The Texans-Browns game.


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[Assistant] One team took advantage of the other team's over-aggressiveness to such a sh- and you heard me saying it throughout the day, and Dallas never changed or kinda combated what they were being hit with there.


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[Assistant] Okay, so he's not expecting them to be able to hold the ball and do whatever they gotta do. And then, on top of that,


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[Assistant] Okay, Wicks at the top of the route makes a move like he's gonna make the out route, right? Remember seeing that, Ahmed? And then he broke to the post. So Gilmore had no chance. But my point in what you're bringing up and helping me set up here is,


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[Assistant] Dallas, as you've, everybody's heard me all year. It's not about like, oh wow, they're so creative, I gotta figure this out. It's kinda just dealing with the chaos up front, and you're gonna get man to man most of the time in the back end.


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[Assistant] And Green Bay today was like, wait, they knew that was coming there. They were prepared for that.


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[Assistant] He saw the alignment by the defense and he went, wait, I'm going to audible? I'm going to keep the tight end in now? Hey, tight end, you stay in and block? And they kind of had, you know, everybody picked up except for 14 Bell, who was a little free.


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[Assistant] And he hung in there in that back foot and threw the ball up into a safe spot in the middle of the field where Dontavion Wicks could catch the ball and nobody else could. And yes, it was plays like that throughout the day, right? There was another play.


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[Assistant] Uh, about the overaggressiveness. You're going to remember this when I kind of paint the picture for you, right? What do teams do to teams that play man to man all the time? They like to run those crossers, the rub routes, right? Remember the big play to Dobbs? They run a play action pass. They, Dobbs starts to run the deep crosser.


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[Assistant] Stefan Gilmer's going, everybody runs deep crosshairs on me all year. This is what people do to try to be this man to man. So he starts to undercut it, they put the brakes on, and he works back out, and all of a sudden Stefan Gilmer's like,


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[Assistant] But again, that's knowing what they're getting and having a game plan and being aggressive off of it, let alone we saw a number of other huge plays in the past game.


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[Assistant] That were like that. The Luke Musgrave 38 yard touchdown pass. What do you think that was? Dallas, they knew was too over aggressive. They knew the two linebackers in the middle would.


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[Assistant] Good for him is right, right? I mean, smaller running back.


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[Assistant] Who nobody told him he's small, right? He's like, he thinks he's 250. He breaks a lot of tackles and he has game breaking speed.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, uh, the, the, the, the tough runs over the middle, in the middle, you know, from our, at Jam 92. I mean, you're exactly right. Look at those numbers. Right. I mean, it's incredible. And it's the runs up the middle where you go, oh, wait, he's only gonna get six or eight yards here. And then it's, oh, he got 12 or oh, he's gonna get two yards. He gets six.


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[Assistant] It's all of those that start to add up, let alone he can, he's got great vision and he knows how to read the cutback lanes or when to bounce it out and he's not too


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[Assistant] He doesn't do it too much. He has the right touch, I guess is what I'm saying there. And then you add on top of that what our man at Jam92 is talking about. I love the Packers O line. I really do.


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[Assistant] I think they got a chance to be one of the more special O-lines in football next year and going into the future. They got young talent, they got big guys, they can run the ball as we know and road grade a little bit, and they can pass for tech.


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[Assistant] The way they throw the ball down the field, the 49ers don't blitz, they're pretty creative. Yeaah, I hear you at Jam 92. They'll be a handful trying to deal with, uh, you know, this Packers offense and all the things that they do.


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[Assistant] We're just checking in on the lions and rams. Uh, the rams are driving.


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[Assistant] And right now the Rams are at the 13 yard line, 9.36 left in the fourth quarter. It is first and 10.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, uh, I expect a drastic change. Now, whether, I don't know if that means Mike McCarthy, I think it's gonna be Mike McCarthy.


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[Assistant] I think he's gonna be fired, I do. If you made me just, you know, read...


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[Assistant] You know, in between the tea leaves and all that? Yea, go deep in between those tea leaves. Going deep in there, right? Going real deep in there. It's, it's, yea, that I would say, and you made me bet, I'd yell, Mike McCarthy will not be the head coach by the end of the week. I told you, or at least for you earlier this week,


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[Assistant] Belichick in Atlanta is a real thing and people I know and trust around the NFL also think it's very, it's on the radar for him and the Dallas Cowboys on both sides.


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[Assistant] Go wait, can they really work together? That's, I think, the only thing. They like each other. They like each other as human beings, but working together, one guy's gonna be like, hey, I'm the boss, and the other one's gonna be like, no, no, no, I'm the boss, uh, what are you talking about? This is football. And you go, no, no, no, I'm Jerry Jones, this is my football team.


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[Assistant] Like as much as I wonder about the personalities clashing.


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[Assistant] I think there's, I kind of said this to you earlier, I think there's a desperation from the Jones family and Jerry who's getting up there in age where he might finally go, you know what?


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[Assistant] Just let me be a part of it, but get us right, get us straight, get us to win a, get us to an NFC championship game, something like that, right? And maybe he could like check his ego at the door a little bit and go, okay, I'll let you do football.


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[Assistant] You got it, it's you. I might ask you to do some crazy business stuff because we're the Cowboys every now and then. But that's where they can meet in the middle and we'll see where it goes from there. But to your point about


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[Assistant] Alright, Dan Quinn and Mike McCarthy, right, in our question there from at Samuel Tessier. I would say this.


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[Assistant] I didn't like Jerry Jones' comment early in the week. You heard me say that. The fact that he was like, well, we're gonna see, you know, how each week goes in the playoffs. That took a lot of power away from your head coach going into a big playoff game. Hey guys, like, you know, this guy that's your general, he might not be your general next year. I mean, there was already enough


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[Assistant] Exactly right. Let alone he's telling you about the expectations of his football team and all that. I didn't like any of that. I thought that was, uhm, stupid by Jerry Jones for lack of a better way to say it. But the other thing that I think plays into this, and I said this to you at halftime of the football night in America, and the more I think about it, the more I'm happy that I said this, that


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[Assistant] If I'm in the locker room in Dallas, I'm not sure I believe in Mike McCarthy. I'm not.


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[Assistant] You know, again, if you're on the offensive side of the ball, you're going, yes, we put up good stats in yards and all that, but do we really do it against any of the good football teams?


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[Assistant] Those guys are smart enough and been around enough to go, these plays aren't that great. They're not that creative. And then, you know, the fact that they can't quite meet the expectations you're in and you're out and that they've lost, you know, what they're going to look at is, you know, three one and done's here. And I think they're going to look at it too and go,


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[Assistant] Wait, you know, we probably should have won two out of those three, or we felt like we were the better team on the football field in two out of those three.


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[Assistant] So, that's where, you know, and it's not three and one of Duns, I'm wrong about that. Last year they won one and then they went to the 49ers and lost that one.


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[Assistant] In the post season with that one. That's right. That's what I meant to say. But either way, that's where I do question his effect and leadership on the locker room that way and whether they're going to believe in him. And we know that Mike McCarthy was kind of a social media memes. People want to jump on him for whatever reason type of guy anyways. So, uh, that's that part of it. The Dan Quinn part of it.


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[Assistant] Listen, at Samuel Tessier, everything I know, Dan Quinn's got the inside track to become the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, right?


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[Assistant] I'm sure people in Seattle today who are making those decisions are going, wait, are we sure we want to hire Dan Quinn today? Cause the first two or three bad games we have on defense next year, everyone's going to go, didn't you see the playoff game that you hired him after that playoff game? And I think that's fair too.


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[Assistant] So, I know there's a relationship there. There's still a lot of people there that were with Dan Quinn when he was the D coordinator of the Seattle Seahawks. But, I would certainly think the powers to be in Seattle are going to be thinking twice tonight about, wait, do we really want to go all in on Dan Quinn? And the perception around him and how that looked on Sunday against Green Bay is definitely dicey.


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[Assistant] The Cowboys don't want to play this style of football. We know that. We talk about it all the time. Dallas is kind of the team that likes to go up and we made some explosive plays on offense and we're up 10-0 and now you're playing catch up and we have this great pass rush and that's just what we wanted.


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[Assistant] You know, we're up by two scores and now you have to throw a little more than you'd like to. And now Michael Parsons and Demarcus Lawrence are all over you all the time, right?


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[Assistant] That never, they never got in mode of that. So Dallas' defense never got the ability to go like, hey, we can pin our ears back. They always were like, well, we still gotta stop the run and we gotta respect that. But, you know, Dak Prescott, uhm, you know, there was the two interceptions.


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[Assistant] And again, I'm gonna, one of them was his fault. Okay? Out of the two, Jair Alexander, the first one, he made an incredible play. And on point to that too, again, you've heard me make fun of this with Mike McCarthy and the Calvis Four. What route was it? Oh, the old slant route. They go to those slant well way too much in Dallas.


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[Assistant] Jair Alexander made a great play, little hand fighting there, gets the interception. Now can we go back to the dots there, Pete? Because the dots on the pick six, now this is, this is Dak Prescott's fault, but it's an incredible


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[Assistant] Okay, so maybe like, when this gets over and they get set up here. So, okay, so just pause it once it gets, when they get back lined up here. So I can really explain. So right here, pause it.


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[Assistant] Right now, Ahmed, it's man to man across the board. And 26, even though he looks like he's playing like a cover two safety, he's gonna roll down and cover number three.


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[Assistant] Okay, Darnell Savage is gonna cover three Brandon Cooks over the middle, and take him on the slant route. But as he's taking him on the slant route,


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[Assistant] He's disciplined, he's watching in the backfield with his eyes, and he's seeing Dak Prescott. Wait, he looked at my guy, and now he's looking across the field. And then again, it's a triple slant concept, which I hate. I just hate. I absolutely hate.


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[Assistant] Cause teams that play Mike McCarthy and all this, they know he likes to go to this. And it's a typical west coast scheme that they rely on when things aren't going well. Oh, this is safe. Let's run slant routes. We do this all the time in practice. Well, they know it too. And Savage,


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[Assistant] Then, as he's seeing Cooks, and he's going, wait, I'm on him, but I'm seeing Dak's eyes move now to CD Lamb, and he knows, wait, that's CD Lamb, he wants to go there anyways, he comes off his guy, let it play now, Pete, if you guys are watching here, you'll see, 26 comes off as he reads the eyes, and undercuts it.


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[Assistant] And now he goes, bam, to the house, see you later. Game over. And that was pretty much game over. You're right about that. It became 27-7 at half.


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[Assistant] And we went, well, Dallas gets the ball to start the first half. Let's see where it goes, right? Second half, excuse me. You know, can they make it 27-14 and start to make this a football game? Uh, they get held to a field goal.


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[Assistant] And then Green Bay answers right back and goes right down the field in explosive nature and scores another touchdown and it was 34-10 and that was like, okay, now it's officially over. And that was kind of all she wrote and it was just playing catch up from that point on for Dallas and throwing the ball.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. He said, eh, you, you, you, like, if you can tell me they got some superstar bonafide person coming to town, then okay, fine.


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[Assistant] But Dak Prescott's really damn good. I am still a believer you can win a Super Bowl with Dak Prescott. But you're right, there's this negative national perception, it even seems like it creeps into Dallas a little bit there, to where they want to blame him for everything.


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[Assistant] I know, right? And I think too that that's probably why they have to make the Mike McCarthy change. Cause they're gonna go, you said it earlier, like,


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[Assistant] And that's where I think they're going to have to answer that. Dak Prescott is really damn good. You've heard what I've said. They don't run the ball that great. They're not that creative on offense.


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[Assistant] The, the offense is one of the top in football because of Dak Prescott. His ability to hang in the pocket and throw the football down the field. I know he's not Mahomes or Josh Allen. He's not that, but he's still damn good. And here's one other thing I want to bring up, and Pete reminded me, and I thought this was neat. The fact that the,


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[Assistant] We're gonna get the ball, we like our offensive game plan, we're not gonna let Dallas go up 7-0 and play the game that we just talked about. Woah, we're up now, our pass rush, and we get crazy, and the stadium's crazy, and we get all the momentum, right? They snatched the momentum right from the start of the football game, and made Dallas play a game where, woah, you gonna play catch up? Have fun doing that.


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[Assistant] And here we are now, the Lions just had a third and four, Jared Goff tried to throw a tight back shoulder to the right, lost control of the ball, and it kind of flew over the defender's head, uh, receiver's head, Reynolds, excuse me. Uh, sailed on him, wobbling, he throws a lot of wobblers, but usually they're accurate, uh, but yea, it's fourth and four.


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[Assistant] I'd be, they, I was gonna say Rams better be in total defense here with Dan Campbell. He will fake a pun.


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[Assistant] Without a doubt, it's not even close. Offensive line. You heard me say during the game a few times, I was like, what is Aaron Rodgers thinking watching this? Receivers. Right, right. The running back's still awesome. They got young guys on offense that are really talented.


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[Assistant] And they're, they're gonna be stars, right? So, yeaah. And that's to me where I told you before.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers doesn't know what he doesn't know. He doesn't. You know, he wants things his way, he's been taught something this way, and he goes, I just want it that way. And what I would just say is just, yea, Matt LaFleur, his offense is way more creative than the Aaron Rodgers offense. Certainly. So, yea, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] I'm sure Aaron Rodgers had some appreciation for Jordan Love and what he did today, but I think in his heart of hearts, he was probably like, gosh, they won? I can't believe that. Right? You know, without me, the first year, they just go down there and put on a show? Yeah. Right? That, that is, I'm a little blown.


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[Assistant] We had a lot of people in the building that aren't usually here, that were here yesterday, right? Because they were like, wait, this is a big deal to our company. So it certainly was, right?


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[Assistant] It was a great look on TV because of how cold it was. Oh my gosh. And of course it's my homes in Kansas City, which we know is special.


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[Assistant] And then it's, you know, the story about any team that comes from Florida, let alone the Dolphins and two and all that. Can they play in this cold weather and do all that? And of course the Taylor Swift element. Uh, it was, it was great. It really was. And, uh, yeah, I think more people tuned in and they would like to admit.


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[Assistant] Uh, to that one and, and, uh, you know, hopefully they got their $5.99 money worth out of that one.


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[Assistant] All the dumb shit you spend six dollars on. I was like, you know, you're worried about this. I was like, well, just think about it as like you're contributing to the Christopher Sims Family Foundation. Okay. She's like, well, when you put it that way, okay, I'll do it. So she bought it too. I suck her during.


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[Assistant] They want to play in a show. They want to be like, let's go in a show, let's have fun, let's Broadway, look at all these big plays. I don't know if they always want to play in like, gritty, you know, what I always say, phone booth, tough, hard nosed, gritty football, right? They like it when it's like a 7 on 7 football game.


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[Assistant] The one thing, and I know you've heard me say this and all the listeners, the Chiefs will never get credit for how tough and physical they are as a football team. Right? But I think you saw that. And there's a physicality in the game itself that you could see pretty much early on that Miami couldn't match it, right?


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[Assistant] Now, the Kansas City Chiefs, as we know too,


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[Assistant] Right? The kings of kind of messing things up early on in the football game where I was like, oh gosh, here go the Chiefs again. Right? Should be up 27 to 7. And here it was like 10-7 late in the second quarter. And you're like, are you kidding me? They're dominating the football game. I mean, we had the Kelsey dropped.


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[Assistant] You know, all out blitz, there should have been a touchdown, a screen pass, that should have been a touchdown, and the guy blocked him in the back even though the guy wasn't gonna make the tackle anyways. McCole Hardman can't see the ball, it literally like fell right at his feet.


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[Assistant] Right, so they did some stupid shit like always, but I do think they embraced with who they were a little bit, and kind of said, wait, let's play defense, we'll run the ball, Mahomes will throw some screens out here, we'll control the clock, and then Mahomes will make a few magical plays, and that's all we need to be! That's a tough


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[Assistant] Playoff football formula. It doesn't need to be much more complicated than that.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh. Hunter Higbee's leg might just be broken. I mean his face might be broken too. His back might be broken.


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[Assistant] Alright, well hopefully it was like Laporta last week where the knee bends the wrong way but the guy can heal in five days and you're like, holy shit.


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[Assistant] I mean, we talked Kansas City, the physicality, the element. We talked all the things we talked about Miami, right? Two. Kansas City knows how to defend them. One, they never let the edge runs get going, right? You heard me all pregame and the pregame show, whatever. Right, that's where the Dolphins want to run the ball. Go ahead, what do you want to say on that?


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[Assistant] On the Kansas City Chiefs a little bit. You know, with the injuries, like you mentioned, no Jalen Phillips, no Bradley Chubb, no Van Ginkle, right? Those are big deals. So they have no pass rush. When Mahomes and Company, it was just a four man pass rush, I mean, he could bake a cake, sell it down the street, then have, uh, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] Let me pressure, it might help the run defense a little bit, and then on top of that, yes, it's going to, uh, make, we'll see if Mahomes and Andy Reid are all brushed up on their cover zero rules and what that is. And for all those out there who are going cover zero, I hear that all the time, what the hell is that?


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[Assistant] Cover Zero means they're blitzing more than you can protect and there's basically no free safety.


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[Assistant] In the middle of the field, and it's just five one-on-ones with no help. And they're thinking the Blitz will get there so they don't have enough time to throw the ball down the field. But smart quarterbacks, smart coaches, when they play in a team that they know that's part of their arsenal, they have answers all the time.


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[Assistant] And I think that's what we saw last night. Mahomes such a general at the line of scrimmage, getting the protection set up and then knowing where to go.


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[Assistant] And not, like you said, it wasn't like mind-blowing stats. They should have been better. They dropped some balls and whatever else. But the main thing was, they didn't let negative plays happen, right? They'd call and cover zero because he's going, we're out man tonight.


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[Assistant] Let's see if we can get him behind the chains a little bit, a few times, to get off the field. And that's where Mahomes is great, is he never let that happen. The worst thing that happened was okay, he threw it, it was incomplete, but it's still second and ten, or third and eight, or whatever else. It wasn't third and eighteen now, and now it's a totally different football game. And that was the beauty of them having a plan there.


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[Assistant] And maybe we survive a little bit longer or make something happen. And I think that's basically what, you know, he came to the, the, uh, the termination of.


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[Assistant] I don't think they should. They should punt it down there. 4th and 14th is too much.


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[Assistant] Yeah, by Cam Sutton. Definitely a little holding. Uh, definitely. But yeah, I think you punt the ball here. And to your point, like, yeah Detroit, they could run the clock out here.


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[Assistant] You know, this is one of those where you hope you can get a three and out, but if you don't get a three and out...


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[Assistant] You have to become ultra aggressive and basically get the stop or let them score a touchdown and then go, okay, we're down by eight and now we got to score a touchdown and tie it up. But that's the decision that the Rams defense might have to make. I'm nervous. All right. I picked the Rams and win this game. I'd like to be right. Okay. I'd like to be right.


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[Assistant] I'm pissed that I still didn't pick the Packers to win, as I told you. And I'm on record yesterday with Cleveland going to kind of control the Texans and they lost, so I feel stupid right now.


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[Assistant] I don't buy the cold thing. The guy who hits the least of anybody on the football field, his helmet couldn't take the cold.


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[Assistant] It's that he's thrown it on the ground so many times throughout the year being angry that it finally broke. Okay? How many times have we seen them this year? Him or Kelsey come off the sidelines, throw, slam the helmet on the ground, it bounces in the air. That to me would be the reason to think. I've never seen that happen.


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[Assistant] He's the man. Tough, hangs in there, big plays.


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[Assistant] Gets them organized on the offensive side of the ball. The Chiefs, as you see, and we'll talk about their defense here in a second, they're made for this right now, this playoff time of year. The way they play, and if they continue to stay true to this on the offensive side of the ball, they're gonna be a tough out with this defense. Uhm, real quick.


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[Assistant] Just again, I want to wear a sleeve that I still feel like I'm not constricted by my pad. That's the hard thing the quarterback has to go. It's like, yeah, you'd like to be warm, but I don't want to feel like I'm like in my snow suit and I can't throw a football, right? So that's where the finite I would have been a little bit of sleeves and I would have been all over my equipment manager going like,


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[Assistant] As soon as I step on the white on the sideline, I better have the big


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[Assistant] Hold on me, like right away, along with the winter cap, right, to kind of trap the heat in right away and then you just gotta sit on the bench right away. Those benches, they will keep you warm. It is capable to stay warm if you're playing between the emotions and the intensity and all that to where you'd be shocked, you'd be sitting there in the second quarter going,


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[Assistant] When the, the ball is cold, it's slick. So it's hard to like create moisture. So you're constantly like.


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[Assistant] Trying to get, you know, air into your, into your hands and whatever else. And uh, you know, I think we saw both quarterbacks have some struggles gripping the football clearly throughout the night.


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[Assistant] There's a dude, right? Just tough, seems like a football player.


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[Assistant] You know, catches the screen, lowers the shoulder, not afraid to take some contact and drive the pile forward. You know, runs through arm tackles. And of course has some, some speed to go along with it.


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[Assistant] That, that, you know, makes him dangerous. But, uh, yeaah, he certainly seems like he is, out of the receivers, the guy that's in the trust tree the most with Andy Reid and, and Mahomes and Matt Nagy right now. So, it's good to see, it's good to see for him. Go ahead, what were you saying, and what?


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[Assistant] You know, maybe not 23 for 41, they'd probably like 23 for 31. And a little bit better run stats, uhm, but, but either way, I think it was close to what we would like to see from them, at least for


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[Assistant] I voted for Lujerious Neen. I mean, all year long he was phenomenal in every facet, whether it was man to man or zone, tackling, whatever. He can play the slot, he can play outside, he can do it all, he's smart.


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[Assistant] You know, like I said, he's not just a cover corner, he plays the run game the right way. That's the impressive thing about this Chiefs defense too. They're secondary, they're corners.


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[Assistant] You know, they take on blocks the right way. They understand when they have to set the edge and force the run back inside. They do a lot of good things like that.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, that was impressive. And they understand...


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[Assistant] You know, that kind of that fine balance, fine line, what we talked about of like,


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[Assistant] Hey, we're going to be aggressive with Tyreek every now and then, but we're not going to live in that world because that's crazy. And we're going to change things up too. But the beauty I think of what their defense is is, you know, like last night as we're watching the game and you know I like to watch the sky cam because you can see the whole picture and everything there. I'm going look.


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[Assistant] They're playing too deep and stopping the run, right? And that's because, again, it's a


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[Assistant] Solid offensive line with Miami, but not a, what I would just call a force yet. Not a road grading force. And that is a force on the front seven by the Chiefs. When Bolton and Gay are healthy, it is an incredible duo. We know how talented they are on the D-line. They're creative with even what they do up front to go along with that.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, Miami couldn't win the physical battle, let alone kind of sort out the chaos at times that Spagnolo threw at them.


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[Assistant] Chubb and Phillips is young, he's still in the rookie contract. Chubb, they re-signed last year, so you don't have to worry about that. Van Ginkle, I'm not sure of his status.


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[Assistant] Hey, you should feel it. You should. Hey, your defense, your defense, holding them to field goals is going to win you the football game. That's really what it's all going to come down to. The fact that what? They've kicked what? Is it three field goals?


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[Assistant] I'm not sure about that. They have to be, they have to be a tougher football team, right? That's the biggest thing.


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[Assistant] We talked about it really for the last seven or eight weeks of the year. Whenever a game got gritty or tough and didn't become a track meet,


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[Assistant] The Dolphins weren't good. The one game they won like that was the Dallas Cowboys. And I told you a bunch of times when they did that, I go, Dallas has the same problem. They're like Miami. They want to track me too. As soon as it gets tough, phone booth football, they're not very good either. So I wasn't like, oh, Miami won one of those games. They're good.


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[Assistant] Right, so I worry about that. They gotta get, they gotta make sure, they really gotta become a really good offensive line, uh, football team. To where I think they can rely on the run game more. And not be so based around the pass game. And I think,


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[Assistant] You know, on top of that, yeaah, they're gonna have to make a decision about Tua. That's the big thing, Amin. The decision about Tua is going to be a big deal.


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[Assistant] What do you want to do? Because I don't think there's going to be like teams out there going, oh, we'll pay Tua 40. I worry about Tua with all the things that you lined up. His arm is below average for an NFL starter to begin with.


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[Assistant] He throws with good touch, but what choice does he have? He has to throw with good touch or he wouldn't be able to play quarterback in football. And then you saw last night.


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[Assistant] The inability to throw the ball through the wind in the cold, the ball stood in the air for seven hours on every throw.


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[Assistant] You have to be concerned about that. That to me is why the prior regime, I don't think, wanted TUA in the long term. Cause they were a bunch of New England coaches and they were going, wait, if this guy has to go to New England...


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[Assistant] In December or January, we have to win a playoff game. We're not going to be able to do it. Right? So, that's going to be the big, I think, talking point throughout the off season is what do they do with Dua, what do they pay him, uh, and what makes sense for their football team. But I do think that they got to become a tougher football team altogether.


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[Assistant] Then they threw a first down the first play. And they got. So then they had, they called the timeout there.


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[Assistant] So they called the timeout before their first, the last timeout they called before they even ran their last first down play. So the game was over.


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[Assistant] Right? Got it. He threw the ball on first down and got the first down at the end of the game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so now we're at the, the winner of tomorrow, the Eagles-Bucks game will be in Detroit next week. And I think they're, from the rumors on the street, it sounds like we might be there too.


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[Assistant] Let's get to the real part of this. First off, I mean the game was very even.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm interested to see when I watch back the film what the Rams did in the second half to kind of slow down your Lions offense, right? I mean, ultimately, the Rams ended up with 90 more yards than the Lions did on the offensive side of the ball, right? But I think really, the key to the football game, more than anything, was the red zone stops we talked about.


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[Assistant] You know, I looked at that and when they won first down almost every time they were in there in the ten yard line and so they were always in second and ten, third and ten.


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[Assistant] The one thing I looked at, Stafford-Miss Cooper Cup, that first time down there where they settled I think for the first field goal of the night, that was tough, but other than that, I didn't see other plays for them to have and they couldn't run the ball once they got down there close to the end zone.


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[Assistant] Lions were three for three. Yeah, that's the difference in the football game, right? Uh, Lions, they pose problems for you. I mean, we know the defense isn't great, we got that.


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[Assistant] Uh, they're not, the thing I like about your defense though is you're not afraid to take some chances, which you have to do when you're not very good. You know, just don't die slow deaths, right? Remember how we used to talk about the Chiefs, like a few years ago? Like, don't die slow deaths, you have a great offense.


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[Assistant] Don't be afraid to blitz and okay, they made a big play, but your offense is back out there and at least we get in rhythm.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's the one thing I do like about your defense. Even tonight, it looked like you probably played more man to man than you usually like to. But I think you guys probably looked at it and went, if we play zone, Stafford's just gonna pick us apart the whole game. So, yeaah, we might get a few PIs or defensive holdings or whatever else.


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[Assistant] We feel like we can challenge them that way and they held them to 23 points that way. So that's encouraging. And I like the little splash of aggressiveness that Aaron Glenn calls on the defensive side of the ball. We know you could stop the run a little bit, you know, and you never let


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[Assistant] The Rams and Kyron Williams I think broke his hand or did something to his hand. But the run game never really took off for the Rams, which is what they really wanted. Uhm, and, you know, ultimately I think it was the


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[Assistant] The cushion you guys built for yourself there in the first half and then the fact that your red zone defense were the things that kinda held down the fort and got you the victory.


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[Assistant] I think it is too. I hear you, like, let's apply a pressure with you with our best unit in our football team, which is our offense, and we're never gonna let you have a, take a breath. Yes. Right? Yep. It's, it's you, we might, it's gonna be four downs against us. Well, you better watch out.


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[Assistant] It's almost like the advantage Philly has, where it's like, if Philly gets eight yards on the first three downs, it's like, well, they have a fourth, cause here comes the tush push. You guys are a little different, you don't have the tush push, but it's like,


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[Assistant] That's where I, I, I do understand that logic and playing through the strength of your football team and putting pressure on a team.


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[Assistant] They did a good job managing the run game of the Lions. I mean, early on, it was kind of like, I was like, oh man.


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[Assistant] Five men front and they're still getting blown out but they figured it out as it went along and they certainly slowed down Detroit's offense but Detroit just made enough plays in the big moments and situational football really looked like and that's the reason they won the football game. Very even, even football game.


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[Assistant] I'll call it every now and then and just be like, Hey, are the Rams winning yet? Just to annoy you like I did today.


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[Assistant] I mean honestly, I'm not so sure. This is one of the hotter teams in all of football coming into the playoffs. Yeaah. I mean, what?


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[Assistant] I mean, the Bucks defense and the Eagles defense versus your offense, they'll never stop you guys. Never. So yeah, I'm with you there. And with as creative as your offensive coordinator is.


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[Assistant] And as good as your old line is, and the fact that golf is aggressive and the passing game is aggressive, you'll be a pain in the ass for the 49ers defense.


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[Assistant] They don't want to blitz, they want to stop the run, but they can't go all in on stopping the run against this crew and the play action pass, so that'll be scary. They're a better team, we know that. Uh, but here, I got an update for you too, okay?


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[Assistant] I got a group text here. It is from Devin McCordy and Mike Florio. And Florio texted, Congrats Ahmed, suck it Sims. And then McCordy's got like three laughing emojis underneath that. Okay, so they were rooting for you. There you are, you're in there still. You see it now.


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[Assistant] He's just rewriting a record book for rookies. I mean, incredible. You know, the size, the strength.


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[Assistant] The speed that he has for somebody as big as he is, is crazy. He is the new number one target in LA, right? You heard me say that a few weeks ago when I watched the Rams, I said it right here in the pod, I said,


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[Assistant] Pooka's the number one target. They call the offense through Pooka Nakua now. And then Cooper Cup's the second option. Which it should be. This guy's a special football player.


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[Assistant] You know, and he fits what they want to do. They run the ball, he's a blocking receiver. He ain't afraid to go over the middle, play action passes, and of course has enough speed on the outside to make some big plays as well. Right? And yea, they force fed him the ball tonight. And it looked like, I think even at the end when


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[Assistant] It was the third and fourteens and all that for the Rams. It was a, he was still firing the ball to puka naku into tight coverage and he was taking big hits or whatever else. But uhm, hey, this Rams team.


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[Assistant] You know, I know you'll put them to death on Wednesday. Oh, that's right. Right, but, uh, they should be proud about the way their year ended, how they played, and what the future could look like. I mean, they got money to spend, right? They got a lot of young players.


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[Assistant] It was a win for Stafford. I think so. He got a little beat up early in the year, but other than that, it was pretty good. And they got an O-line there for the first time in his time there as well. They protected very well. Yeaah. So they can do that. Their running back's a superstar. Hookah and Cooper Cup will still be there.


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[Assistant] Hunter Higbee will still be there even though he might not be 100% to start the next year according to however his injury plays out here. And then, you know, they're gonna go out and this year, this will be the first time in three years where they're gonna be a player in free agency.


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[Assistant] It's the first year that they've had some money to play with here, so that'll be interesting to watch. Alright, here's the schedule. Light it out for us, Ahmed.


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[Assistant] Well, the Saturday early one has gotta be, oh yea, it has to be the Texans, whoever they're at.


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[Assistant] That's hot off the printing press, because he is pleasing all Houston Texans fans, because they have a unbelievable superstar quarterback. Yes. Who, like, as you heard me say all year, I've never seen anything like it.


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[Assistant] The story continues and then to do that against the number one defense in football this year and just absolutely shred them and tear them apart with CJ Stroud big throws was incredible.


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[Assistant] I don't want to overstate this, right? I don't want to be a prisoner of the moment, but I really feel this, okay?


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[Assistant] He's like, arguably one of the five best quarterbacks in football already. That's how I feel about it. I mean, he is...


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[Assistant] The playmaking ability, even though it's maybe not as like, oh, like Allen and Rahomes, it's more within the, in the, you know, in the pocket between the hashes, but he's still the movement. It's more like Joe Burrow, as I would say, slippery son of a bitch, right? Where he's just like, damn, he's just sliding and moving and finding a little place to throw the football. And then his,


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[Assistant] Release the quickest in football, and then he can just throw any ball he wants, any way he wants, and he puts it on the money. And that's where I just look at it, and I know I'm making a bold statement there, but it's around top five-ish already for football. He is, we are watching a young superstar about to


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[Assistant] I think that the offense brought him along the right way, right? Early in the year, it wasn't like the training wheels were on, I don't want to say that, but they protected him. They probably ran the ball a little more than they should.


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[Assistant] You know, kept tight ends in the block. Let's play, play, action, pass. Slowly they started to put more and more on his plate. And then I think really what happens is it was the ultimate marriage of quarterback and system, right? You know, where it was like,


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[Assistant] Wait, this system likes to play action pass and, you know, either throw little lasers over the middle or be aggressive and throw the ball down the field and he's like, I can do both of those. I can get it out as quick as anybody in the game on those little shanahan.


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[Assistant] He can do that, or he can go, hey, wait, Shanahan, you don't have a quarterback like this, but Bobby Slovak, he's got me, so he can draw up some of these plays you'd like to call, and I can throw in the 20 yard out route, like it's nothing. Like I could just walk it there all the time. 25 yard in cut, on the money.


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[Assistant] Go route up the sideline on a wheel route. I'm running in the pocket and I jump and I throw it out in the mud. I mean, you know.


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[Assistant] I can roll out right off the play action pass and the tight end is supposed to run the corner out all the time when they're out. Now he runs across the field. I'm good enough coach. You can call that play. I can throw it 50 yards across the field. No big deal for me.


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[Assistant] That's where it kind of all worked. And it's just continued to grow and grow and grow. And I think D'Amico Ryan's and Bobby Sloak have figured out how to play team complimentary football. And what makes sense for them as we talk about with a lot of teams and they know who they are.


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[Assistant] Shoulder peck thing about the third or last week of the year, Miles Garrett, right? And they did not look quite as dominant down the stretch, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, with like, with CJ Strat's performance, it's almost like you gotta go like, forget damn okay, it's just like, we gotta rename it, and just be like, holy shit, or holy crapola, like what the fuck is this guy, right? I mean, it's incredible. Uhm, do you really think you'll put him in the top five? He's dancing around there.


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[Assistant] He's dancing around there for me. I mean, off the top of my head, yes, he's, he's up there in that convo. You know, now again, I, you know, he might end up being seven, but I'm just, you know, he's in the, deserves to be in that convo. I will say that.


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[Assistant] And, no doubt, and they don't dink and dunk, they attack down the field, and as we started off the pod, it's the same thing, and now we're gonna get back to it.


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[Assistant] Both played T-fences that are way over aggressive and they were like, wait.


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[Assistant] All I gotta do is, I don't have to read the coverage all game, it's just gonna be man to man. See, that's the other thing too, where some of these defensive coordinators are just, they're meatheads. I don't know what to say, they're stupid. I don't mean to say stupid, but their approach and what they're thinking is gonna confuse the quarterback is wrong at times. We're gonna pressure them! We're gonna play man to man! We're gonna make this rookie make plays!


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[Assistant] When I was a rookie and people did that, I was like, I was like, thank God. I know it's a blitz, I know it's man to man, I don't have to read anything. Right? I was more like, when I was young, I was like, damn, I can't tell.


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[Assistant] What zone is this? What's the safety doing? I don't, I don't, I can't tell if this guy's blitzin' over here, is he bluffin' me, whatever.


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[Assistant] But like the Browns and the Cowboys are just like, we're blitzing. It's man to man. That's it. End of discussion. And it's like, okay, good. Okay. Oh, I got a stud over here. I'm going to carve you up with him. I don't care. Man to man. Do you think I care about that? Ooh, I got to throw the ball against man to man. Like great quarterbacks don't care about that. They don't, they think they can hit anything anywhere.


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[Assistant] So, that's where they mess up in that department.


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[Assistant] You know, we, we've hit on this before. The team that loses the first matchup goes back to the drawing board and goes, we can't play that way again. We gotta change it up, right? And the team that won the first matchup, they're watching the film going, man, everything we did was perfect. It worked great. I don't wanna mess up the, I don't wanna change the game plan too much. I don't wanna do that. And you heard me in the pregame.


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[Assistant] And I wish I would have emphasized this more. I said, Cleveland, come out and be conservative. Get a feel for the game.


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[Assistant] Because Stroud and them attack all year long throwing the ball. Slowick comes from 49ers, Shanahanville, which is like, if they know what you're doing, they have no fear and they'll call any play in the playbook, right?


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[Assistant] And that's what we saw. So they made some adjustments, kept the tight end in the block, and then they knew, Cleveland's gonna play man, they're gonna do it, so we're gonna use it against them. And like the Packers had a lot of plays that were basically like, we know you're gonna overplay this to such and a point, cause we do this a lot,


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[Assistant] That we're gonna have something off of it, and you're not gonna be there.


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[Assistant] Front seven, the linebackers let it play now. They all fast flow with the motion of the play. Look at the backside linebacker. He's crossed the center already.


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[Assistant] So this is the shit they saw and they went, wait, we gotta use some of our bread and butter plays against them. They overplayed it so much in the first matchup that we got some stuff here if we can just call and have a new wrinkle to it that they won't be able to defend it. And that was kind of the theme of the night to me.


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[Assistant] It's Bobby Slavik, the Texans. They're usually pretty patient with the run, right? It's from the 49ers at Chattanooga. They like to run the ball. Okay. Here you see it's, it's nine guys within three yards of the line of scrimmage for the Cleveland Browns. They're going to fake the run to the left and boot to the right.


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[Assistant] And what they do with 9 is they keep him into block at first.


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[Assistant] But they know, again, Cleveland is so aggressive that when a guy blocks in a pass play,


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[Assistant] The guy who's covering him goes, they tell him what we would call green dog, green dog, fast fill, whatever you want to say, to where, hey, he's blocking, sitting there waiting for him to go out and around now, go get the quarterback! Run in there!


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[Assistant] So, you're gonna see watch number 6 on number 9. He gets, gonna play Pete, he blocks, he's getting blocked by number 9.


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[Assistant] He stays with him, he stays, he goes, okay, he's blocking me, here comes the boot. I'm gonna get rid of this guy and go tackle the quarterback. He's trying to block me now. I'm gonna become a pass rusher. Right?


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[Assistant] And now six leaves number nine, and this play was all just for this. It's all it was, it's all window dressing, cause they knew they were gonna get this. Hey, block him for a three count, then let him go, he'll rush up field, you just throw it over his head for five yards, and then there's gonna be nobody there.


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[Assistant] And again, that was another example of using their overaggressiveness against them. And almost every big pass play you heard me yesterday in the game, I was going,


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[Assistant] They're just, the reverses they did were off their good runs. They're gonna fast flow to the run. Let's run a reverse. It was just, it was all that all day long.


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[Assistant] You know, have this quarterback, have the ability to throw the ball down the field to this capacity. And then, this Bobby Slawick's real. So he's willing to think outside the box and go, let me think of a few things. And that's what we always talk about too.


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[Assistant] And I don't know why it's so pronounced in the NFL, but once coaches get put in a, Hey, you're asking go home if you lose this week.


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[Assistant] These are guys that are usually conservative by nature. Hey, I like what I like. I do what I do. This is what I want. I want to just stay here. We've only coached this. I don't want to try that new. Our guys haven't repped it that much. I don't know if they won't mess it up, whatever, right? That's how coaches are. All of a sudden they get in these scenarios and they're like, we haven't ever practices play this, but we can't win this game this week unless we, we run a few new plays and, and gash them or we're going home.


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[Assistant] And that's what happens, and I think that's generally what happened all together. And they started to sit there, they're watching all week, and they're going, we gotta do some curve balls off our normal fastball stuff, because they're all over that. And I think that's where they really took advantage of, but that's where,


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[Assistant] I know I was on Joe Flacco raining in all year. I've been on all of it though. It doesn't need to, even the defense. I know I haven't ran into like Flacco where I'm saying raining in.


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[Assistant] But I even with them, as much as I love it, I was still having points of the year that I set on PFT and Hero. I said, not every play has to be go for the five yard loss. Not every play has to go for what squash them so they get nothing. Right?


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[Assistant] Every now and then you gotta go, wait, this formation, this might give us a problem here, let's be a little more conservative, they get the 5 yard gain, that's fine, but we're not gonna give up the 85 yard touchdown pass. And to me, there was no garter rail for that, with them.


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[Assistant] Let alone the same thing on the offensive side of the ball with Joe Flacco. And yea, you laughed and made fun of me. And all of your body had raided in raided in raided in. But what I was worried about, to me the play of the game, the moment of the game was 24-14.


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[Assistant] And the Browns were in field goal range and Flacco got, was gonna get sacked and he just threw the ball up and it became the 82 yard interception return and that ended the game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and you're gonna see here, they, they, they, Flacco's gonna look to his left, and Elijah Moore on the left side here is running a slant and go.


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[Assistant] So he wants a double move. And this is where Flacco can be a little crazy. So as you let it go, he's got pressure. He knows he has the double move open for a touchdown. He's open. He's got it.


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[Assistant] But he's got somebody hanging on his legs, but he's still like Joe Flacco, like, I'm gonna throw it and get it there, and he can't get it there. And it gets picked, and it's see you later. And, yea, that, that is to me where they were just a little too reckless.


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[Assistant] Uh, not conservative enough that way, not playing the right way to what their football team is, right? And I think that ultimately is what came back to, to kinda bite them in the butt in this one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think we're out of the defense wins championships era. It's not maybe as prevalent as it was once, you know, 20 years ago. I think that was really something you could certainly say, right? We see it less now.


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[Assistant] You know, the Patriots had a good blend of good defense a lot of those years, right? You know, we just talked about the 2015 Broncos, certainly.


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[Assistant] Right. The 49ers are a team that have had a top five defense and they're going, you know, been deep into the playoffs. And hey, the Ravens are the best team in football too. To me, it's defense can win championships.