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[Assistant] Uh, you know what? I came up with two because I know Sully came up with one. I didn't want to, one of them would have indirectly been involved with his. So I'll say that Zanretic gets traded. There's been, it's pretty clear he does not want to be in Philadelphia. It seems like the Eagles are open to dealing him.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that's the kind of guy where, hey, if you can get that kind of pass rush at this point in the off season, you know, free agency for the most part is done. You're not going to find.


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[Assistant] Uh, a solid talent like that and free agency. So if you want to upgrade on defense, you want to bring in a guy who had 11 sacks last season, 16 sacks the year before that, you're going to have to do it in a trade. So.


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[Assistant] I think he gets dealt and I'll say he goes to the Houston Texans. I feel like they have been beefing up their defense. We already saw them add to Neil Hunter. You had a son Redick there and that defense just becomes.


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[Assistant] Insanely good. I mean, Taviko Ryans will be building the next Bill Belichick level defense, uh, over there in Houston. So I will say that Sonradik gets traded sometime, uh, before the draft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's a good question, obviously. Uh, and look, here's my thing with what the Vikings might try and do or with what another team, uh, maybe the Raiders, we know they're looking at quarterback. We saw Sean Payton say on Monday at the owners meeting that the Broncos could realistically look at trading up.


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[Assistant] Uh, and possibly targeting a quarterback. So we're definitely teams that need quarterbacks. I feel like the Giants are kind of the wild card there because they're the closest to the top five would have to give up the fewest amount of draft picks to move up. So a lot of competition to move up, but if you're the Minnesota Vikings and you move up the three,


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[Assistant] I just don't think you can give up the amount of compensation it takes to get the third overall and be stuck taking the third best guy at his position.


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[Assistant] You can't take the third best guy at his position with the third pick when you can take the first best guy at any other position. So to me, just from the amount of compensation it would take to move up from 11 to 3, the move just doesn't make sense. Now maybe if they can get to 5, but we also saw Jim Harbaugh say at the owner's meeting,


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[Assistant] The fifth overall picks like having the first overall pick for non-quarterbacks. It's like he's trying to make that pick more valuable and he's basically telegraphing the teams. If you want to come up and get this, it's going to cost you because now you get the best positional player. Uh, so yeah, the Vikings need a QB, but I just think it's a huge risk to go all the way up to three.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think this would impact special teams really because I don't think a team is just going to go out there and go for it on fourth and 20 from their own 20 yard line every time they score a touchdown because the risk is too high.


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[Assistant] Under the rule that the Eagles proposed, and I'm guessing that's kind of what Princeton


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[Assistant] Uh, is referring to here is if you start the snap at your own 20 yard line, if you gain 10 yards, you didn't get the fourth and 20 and now the defense takes over possession 30 yards from scoring a touchdown. So there's a high risk.


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[Assistant] There is a very big gamble to go for it on this fourth and twenty. And the Eagles have been kind of the ones who have been pushing this the most.


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[Assistant] They've been tweaking it. The XFL rule was fourth and 15 from your own 25 yard line.


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[Assistant] And I think the NFL kind of thought, uh, or the other owners, this is a little too easy. How can we change it? How can we make it more difficult? So they added five yards, made it fourth and 20 from your own 20 yard line. And I do think if they approve the new kickoff rule, which as of Monday hasn't happened, they might vote on it Tuesday. We'll talk about it later. They might table it till May.


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[Assistant] Uh, but the thing with that is if you approve that, I think you need this rule. You can't have this fake onside kick that they're trying to implement with this. When the XFL came up with this kickoff rule that the NFL's


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[Assistant] The XFL is not using this rule. They're not, they're going, they're going back to the old kickoff.


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[Assistant] Uh, the USFL, I guess, whatever reason, it's not, they're not using it. Okay.


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[Assistant] Put this as a preseason trial. We saw, Brenton, you mentioned the pass interference one, but I think from a special team standpoint, we saw it with the extra point. Owners were so uneasy about moving it back.


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[Assistant] I don't know if they did the precinct trial for one or two years, but it was definitely for at least one year.


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[Assistant] Right, right, right, right. Yeaah, the trial is separate from implementing the rule.


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[Assistant] I do. Brenton has special teams trying to steal my thunder. My rule proposal is to make any field goal from 60 yards or longer worth four points. I think that that would completely change the strategy on special teams on a lot of things because first of all, you don't see


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[Assistant] NFL coaches attempt a bunch of six yard field, which doesn't happen unless it's at the end of the half.


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[Assistant] Or the end of the game. I mean, we just saw Brandon Aubrey in the year of our Lord, 2023.


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[Assistant] And then I think we would see a few more kick strides. The other thing about this is that.


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[Assistant] Six yard field goals are not easy. We rarely see these in the NFL. There were only a few kick, uh, during the entire 2023 season. So I say, why not add a little bit of reward here?


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[Assistant] Now you're talking, Princeton. It could, it could be that. It could be, it could be third and three from your own 38 and you need to, you can either try and get the first down with 12 seconds left or, and you're down four points or you say, actually we've got to take a knee here back to the 42 so that it's a 60 yard field goal.


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[Assistant] Your own 40. Or the other part of this is say you're at, cause generally the snap, the snap to the holders, the holder's eight yards back behind the snapper behind the line. 17 or 18 yards. The other part of this is say you're at the 40, the holder could set up at the 50.


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[Assistant] The line of scrimmage should be your opponent's 42, your 42 yards from scoring a touchdown. Snap goes 8 yards, gets held at the 50.


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[Assistant] Aha, well I think the most interesting, or the toughest part of that, because obviously this is the college rule,


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[Assistant] But in the NFL, I think the toughest part would be late game situations. Say you start a drive on your own 25 and you have 23 seconds and one timeout. Well,


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[Assistant] You throw a play, you throw a ball 30 yards downfield. The corner feels like he's beat by a step.


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[Assistant] Well, now you just tackle the receiver, you know you're only getting a 15 yard penalty, and as far as the current rules go, the clock still, whatever ticked off on that play still ticks off, so you, that team just lost 25% of the time that was left, and now they only gained 15 yards when they could have gotten 30, so.


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[Assistant] I do, like this is the type of penalty that I think could work because it is kind of crazy that passive, passive interference is spot foul. But I do think it would have to be written in such a way to avoid situations like the one, for instance, alluding to and the one I'm kind of alluding to.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, and we've asked, we've seen offensive players get asked. I remember Rob Gronkowski getting asked, would you rather be hit low at the knees or up high toward the helmet? And he said up high.


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[Assistant] You're at a point where defenders don't have a choice. They're gonna go low on everyone and that's where injuries are gonna start happening. So if there starts to be an uptick in those kind of injuries, then the NFL is gonna be stuck in kind of the law of unintended consequences where they were trying to do something good.


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[Assistant] But didn't kinda realize what the fallout was gonna be, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out on the field.


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[Assistant] Uh, hopefully they eventually just go to a three strikes and you're out. You just get to keep challenging until you miss three, uh, which I could see a few coaches doing, but I do like that they're adding the extra challenge here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it does feel like they kind of assumed he would be leaving after the 2024 season.


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[Assistant] And as Brenton said, if he was gonna leave, they'd probably get a third round compensatory pick back. So why not just get that third round pick now and free up the cap space now and then go from there. So I think the chiefs are obviously fine with that guy. I think on the outside looking in, people are thinking, man, did the chiefs get ripped off? You just gave away your franchise tag.


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[Assistant] And I can't really fault them, especially if they use the money intelligently. So we'll see what they use with their 20 million dollars.


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[Assistant] There are a lot of available corners at this point in free agency that usually are not available this late in free agency.


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[Assistant] We're shouting out people, shout out to Joe Marcocio who is first place. I've mentioned the pick six bracket challenge so many times, we might as well shout out the first place guy.


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[Assistant] I feel like it's a, it's a good tiebreaker if we are stuck between two. Yeah, 49ers, I don't even need to talk. That's, they take walk over the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, with the Rams war in Super Bowl 56 against the Bengals, their kind of traditional LA Rams jersey, that, I love that look, I mean that whole uniform matchup I thought was awesome.


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[Assistant] I, I love the electric green. A lot of people hate it with the Seahawks, but you know what? I think I would, this is one of those I would, I'm 5149 favoring the Rams.


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[Assistant] I think they're about even. I love the Carolina Blue. I'm surprised the guy in North Carolina doesn't love the Panthers version of Carolina Blue.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I like the tradition of the saints, I like the all black, and I agree with Tyler, I do like the all black helmet, uh, when they pop that thing out a few times a year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't love the all grey, uh, I actually like the overall look more, uh, but that's why there's three of us.


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[Assistant] So we don't have to have eyes eroding. Two lions to one bear.


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[Assistant] And you know what? They just brought back the Kelly Green last season. If that wasn't back, I would be a little closer here, but I do love every uniform the Eagles have. They all look good. Definitely the Eagles.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, my take is I'm not going to count a throwback because if you like it so much, that should be your main Jersey. Sure. And, and they dislike their Jersey so much that are getting new ones. Like you said, Tyler, so I can't pick a team. It's literally getting rid of their uniforms. So I'm going with the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] I'm just gonna say, this should be a final four matchup. This should not be a first round matchup. I mean, both of these uniforms are awesome. I think the Raiders probably have the most iconic look. You know, if you show, uh,


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[Assistant] NFL helmet to someone in Malaysia. They probably recognize the Raiders, like that is the one logo everyone recognizes.


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[Assistant] Uh, but man, the chargers, the powder blues, I love all their looks. They've got the dark blue uniforms now. I like that one. I think that's what you just mentioned Tyler. So I begrudgingly will go with the chargers.


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[Assistant] You guys are both going Texans? Alright, well then my vote doesn't matter, but I am going with the Titans because I'm in Nashville and I stare at the Jerseys every time I go out in public.


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[Assistant] I like their color rush jerseys and they introduce the black, the black helmet with the, uh, blue on the oil.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you guys went that way because I didn't want to come across like a total bangles homer, but I do think they do have one of the best uniforms in the NFL. I love their helmet. I love that they introduced the white helmet. Uh, so this one for me, the Ravens, it's nice. I like the purple, but I'm Cincinnati here.


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[Assistant] The Browns are a kind of, it's too plain. I'll give it to the Steelers.


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[Assistant] Like, 6 or 7 years ago. That doesn't mean you can't...


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm gonna agree with Solly. Apparently we have the same taste in Jersey, Solly. I'm gonna go Bengals-Dolphins here. I made a list of all the uniforms I liked before we started this bracket. And the top two teams on the list were the Bengals and Dolphins. Unfortunately, they play each other next round, so I'm not sure what I'm gonna decide there. Uh, but I like Bengals.


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[Assistant] Uh, I should be completely against 49er since they beat the Bengals in two Super Bowls and I had to stare at their uniforms in those Super Bowls, uh. That's a good jersey, man. That's a good jersey.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. And I think that it's actually the total opposite. So I'm with 49ers over Saints.


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[Assistant] Uh, I can't disagree. I think this would, this counts as an upset here. We have a, uh,


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[Assistant] The Chargers taking down the Old Guard. You have the Raiders who have never really done anything to their uniform. It's just classic. The Chiefs have never really done anything. The Colts have never really done anything, although they did do the Indiana Knights uniform, but they're mostly been traditional uniforms. And here we are, advancing the Chargers. I'm on the Chargers bandwagon too.


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[Assistant] You probably know what I'm gonna do, but I can't vote yet. I'm gonna- I said I was going last.


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[Assistant] I do think if this was a helmet only thing, I would absolutely take the bangles. But when you take into account the whole look, uh, that I can see why you guys are taking the dolphins. Of course, since I've already been outvoted, it's easy for me to take Cincinnati now. So I will take Cincinnati and I will go down with the ship.


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[Assistant] I love the 49ers uniforms, but I like the Eagles more. I think the Kelly green is the thing that puts me over the top. If they had not introduced it, which just happened right before the 2023 season, they finally got their whatever, like didn't have enough Kelly green color to make uniforms and they couldn't mass produce it, which is just insane.


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[Assistant] When we started, I said the bangles and dolphins were my two favorite uniforms going into this, so I'll stick with the dolphins.


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[Assistant] And since Harry brought up Ace Ventura, shout out to that one fan, uh, who was at the Yukon Stetson game, one versus 16. Uh, well guess what guys? Stetson is where Ray Finkel went to college, which in the movie and some guy was wearing.


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[Assistant] Ray Finkel Jersey at the game. So that's just some next level Phantom there. I'm going Dolphins, but we lose.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I love the Eagles uniforms. We obviously voted them all the way through to the finals. That was probably the biggest surprise, I think.


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[Assistant] That most people will probably rank the Eagles in the top 10, but to have them here in the championship.


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[Assistant] They were the feisty underdog, the Cinderella that fought all the way through to the end until they ran into an absolute buzzsaw. I don't think you can really argue against the chargers. I think most people would agree. It is absolutely a top three uniform in the NFL. And in this case, they are the champions here of our Jersey bracket. I take the charge.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Pick 6 Podcast. I'm Tyler Sullivan. No, not Will Brinson. I think he's out scalping.


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[Assistant] For NC State March Madness tickets, at least that's my best estimation. But don't worry. I have Brady Quinn, Elijah Doosable with me. Doos-Days with Brady. And let me remind you that the episode of the Pick Six podcast is presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. Make every moment more. Fellas, how we doing?


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[Assistant] The hilarious part is that he had NC State like nowhere in his bracket. I think it was like a one and done. That's about it, so.


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[Assistant] Props to him. We'll see if his uh, Cinderella story can keep going. But it's a busy day in the NFL. I mean, Sunday, you had a bunch of teams and owners going to Orlando, Florida to have the annual league meeting.


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[Assistant] And there is just a lot of stuff coming out. And so there's a lot of things that are going to change the game on the field as on top of on the field. We talked a little bit.


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[Assistant] Case in point, not good. Can't have that. It's basically a play now that's more ceremonial than anything else. So there was going to be a change at some point. Now it's a pretty dramatic change. And if you follow the XFL over the last few years, that's essentially what the, what the league has adopted. And so I'll just go real quickly as a quick, quick breakdown. There's going to be 22 players on the field and 21 of them.


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[Assistant] And you can go into the landing zone, which is essentially the red zone, 20 yard line to the goal line. And there's a whole bunch of different aspects in terms of touchbacks and where the ball will be placed.


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[Assistant] It will give you a popsicle headache, but ultimately we want to talk to you guys about what this means for the NFL, what it means for the game. So Brady, I'll start with you. Will these new kickoff rules make watching the kickoff better?


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[Assistant] I think one thing that's important to point out there too is that you will see more returns because there are no fair catches. I mean, that's something that we should.


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[Assistant] Just an absolute boring play over the last few years. As you mentioned Brady, it was, you know, the time to go to the bathroom, time to go get a beer or whatever you wanted to do. Go get some more appetizers if you're hanging out with friends and family. It just became kind of a nothing play. I think that that might have been an interesting, you know, alternate if you just moved the ball back.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this quick question, because I think you kinda touched on something there, like, you know, you have to now signal for the onside kick, or it just kinda takes away that element of surprise.


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[Assistant] Is this the NFL maybe tipping their hand a little bit dues that we could be seeing that fourth and 20, that fourth and 25 conversion that everybody's talked about over the last few years in terms of an onsite kick?


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[Assistant] Saying, is this now possibly a precursor to seeing the elimination of the onside kick? And now we see that fourth and 20 type of type of opportunity for these teams.


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[Assistant] A phenom, a phenomenal moment, uh, you know, and you're right, we are, we are going to lose that. Now, it's, let's quickly point out here that this is under a one year review. So if we are sitting here a year from now, let's kind of just quickly go yes or no. Is this implementation of the kickoff rule going to be triggered permanently going into 2025? Brady, we'll start with you.


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[Assistant] Do thumbs up, thumbs down. You think this is staying or is it going to be eliminated by this time next year?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's definitely going to be interesting to see how all these teams kind of adjust to these new rules. All right. When we come back, we have more news coming out of Florida, including the defensive side of the ball, something we touched on a little while ago. We'll talk about that coming up next.


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[Assistant] The kickoff rule was definitely the most viral news to come out of the owners meetings, but there was another one on the defensive side of the ball. It's something that we talked about with the three of us when I was last hosting the hip drop tackle.


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[Assistant] Very specific. I didn't even know unweighed themselves was an actual word, but apparently it is in court in the NFL. So, Deuce, is this specific enough? Does the language actually indicate that this is what they want to happen? Just give me your just first thoughts on all this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, dude, you took the words right out of my mouth. I think that that's exactly...


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[Assistant] Where we're kind of trending. Brady, you were talking about they want to eliminate head injuries and then you go down to the hip and now where are we at? We're at knees and ankles and that's something that could be really detrimental for players on all sides here. The one thing that I thought was interesting is that the league doesn't believe that it will be flagged that much.


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[Assistant] It's going to be pretty interesting and you kind of just brought into our next segment here talking about that replay.


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[Assistant] With the, it's not only the roughing the passer and all of that, but it's also the play clock and all of that. So how do you think that this overall just changes the game and how it's going to be officiated? Again, do you just think it's a crew by crew thing or do you think that this is a little bit more uniformed in to how we're going to see the NFL be called?


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[Assistant] No, I was just gonna ask you, we hear purely objective, we hear clear and obvious.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I, I, we're gonna talk about, you know, kind of the length of game in the NFL. I'm not wanting to extend it in a little bit, but I do think...


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[Assistant] We should probably focus more on pace than we would the length of games. You know, you were, you were talking about it, Brady, like, you know, as long as you can have expedited review processes, I don't really have a huge problem with them going to the booth. But if we get to these scenarios where we're kind of all sitting around and wondering, okay, what's taking so long?


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know if a shot clock or anything like that for an official makes sense, but you know what I mean. Whatever goes, moves the game along quickly, I think is the best thing going forward.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and again, we're talking about, you know, uh, one of the rule changes that we've seen is that the NFL, this was proposed by Dan Campbell and the Detroit Lions that, you know, typically you had to get both challenges correct for you to be rewarded the third. Now you only just need one. And I do think that that is an important rule change dues, right?


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[Assistant] You know, you'll see, you'll see a lot, you know, I felt like that was a lot more of the conversation last year too. I felt like there were a number of scenarios where the play clock was.


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[Assistant] At zero, then it's a little bit longer, and then all of a sudden the snap gets off, and there's a monumental play. I mean, you know, you could end up seeing things erased, too. Like, you know, go back to that Bill's Chiefs game, where Kaderrius Tony was lined up offside. It's not a perfect example, but you have this monumental play.


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[Assistant] things were logistically weren't right pre snap and things go awry from there. So I do think that like you're saying, Brady, I do think that this is one of those things that not a lot of people are talking about, but could have huge impacts on specific big plays in the league.


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[Assistant] No, for sure. I do think it's going to be fascinating to see how that all unfolds. All right. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we have one more rule change that we want to get to and also some hot gossip that's going down in Florida. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back.


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[Assistant] The best couch potatoes come from Pluto TV country. And these taters, they like all sorts of different things.


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[Assistant] If it's got a spaceship in it, I'm probably watching it. Three channels dedicated to CSI. Whatever mood you're in, it's gonna be easy watching.


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[Assistant] So we'll touch on this one really quickly because I don't know if this rule change. There's a lot to unpack here, but the NFL did decide to move the trade deadline back a week. So this was proposed by the Steelers. They moved it. It was typically week eight. Now it's going to be week nine.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, it's a 24-7 league, and yeaah, you're right, this is gonna be the Tuesday after the week 9 games, which I think that puts you around October, November, right around the time the NBA starts back up again, and, you know, depending on what time of the year and how late the MLB calendar goes, you could probably bleed into the World Series as well, so they are very much aware, I think, of


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[Assistant] Their power and their, their power to get viewers and to take them away from anybody else. I think it's going to be fascinating and I do think you're right. I do think it's somewhat of a correction.


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[Assistant] A lot of sense. The one thing that I do think that could be interesting, and I think you guys even touched upon it too, is I'll let you get on this, is that the possibility for big trades


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[Assistant] We have seen some players move. I mean, Christian McCaffrey moved around the trade deadline not too long ago. Huge impact for the San Francisco 49ers. A little bit of a, I guess, different circumstance, but ultimately still moved around the deadline. Do you believe we could see more big deals with it being pushed a little bit further or are you kind of on Brady's side where you might be concerned?


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[Assistant] That they could lead to tanking and there's just kind of this unloading of players at the deadline.


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[Assistant] That makes another day on the NFL calendar that much more interesting. We'll move on here towards a little bit more NFL draft centric topic. You know, it's the league meetings. We all talk about the owners, but there are head coaches.


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[Assistant] there as well and they're talking and they're talking about quarterbacks in the NFL draft. Several coaches provided a little bit of insight into their draft plan. So we're going to do a little read between the lines into what some of these coaches have said. We'll start with the team that has the number two overall pick. New head coach Dan Quinn said this quote,


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[Assistant] Brady, is there any actual possibility that they trade out of the number two overall pick?


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[Assistant] I know, I know he's definitely lying. I mean, I think that's very clear and obvious, but let's just play the game here. Let's say that they do trade out of the number two overall pick. And is there a quarterback that you see, Brady?


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[Assistant] That could be in the back end of the first round where they can kind of, you know, not necessarily the, obviously the Williams, the Daniels, the Mays, the McCarthys is, is the, would Penix be that guy that's at the back end of the first round possibly that this type of team would target?


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[Assistant] Let's look at the Chargers now really quickly. They already are having a first round quarterback in Justin Herbert with a just absolute ton of potential. Be fascinating to see how him and Jim Harbaugh pair up. But Harbaugh did bring up his former quarterback in Michigan's J.J. McCarthy.


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[Assistant] Saying that he's the best quarterback in this draft. He plays quarterback the best of all the quarterbacks. He's a winner. So Deuce, what do you think Harbaugh is actually trying to say here? Is he just trying to help out a former player?


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[Assistant] I think all things can be true, right? I think he can be talking up his player.


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[Assistant] You know, kind of dispelling a notion about his former program at Michigan. But I also think he recognizes that this is a quarterback class that a lot of teams are gearing up to possibly trade up for, whether it's Minnesota, even talk about possibly New York and they have the number six overall pick. Maybe they kind of leapfrog a little bit. I think he's either trying to a.


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[Assistant] And wants to go to the number four overall pick with the Arizona Cardinals. Well guess who falls to Justin Herbert? Marvin Harrison Jr.


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[Assistant] Which is a phenomenal development for that offense who just lost Mike Williams and Keenan Allen. So there's just a lot of layers here. I think all those things can specifically be true, but, but let's get a little crazy, right? Let's just get absolutely wild. Let's say that Jim Harbaugh absolutely loves JJ McCarthy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, it would certainly be one of the biggest, uh, trades in NFL history in terms of the package, and yes, the popsicle headache of the finances I don't necessarily want to jump on, but real quickly, let's do Sean Payton and the Broncos, you know, we're talking about quarterbacks here. They might be a little bit too far down the list to maybe acquire one, obviously got rid of Russell Wilson, but here's what he said.


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[Assistant] Realistic, the Broncos to move up in the 2024 NFL draft. It's going to, it's good to be the Cardinals general manager of Monty Awesomeport right now. So he's already kind of tipping his hand that


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[Assistant] They possibly could move up. Do you see them dues real quickly moving up to the number four overall pick to possibly take a quarterback?


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[Assistant] And it also kinda takes some like pre-draft jockeying to collect more picks, like we saw with Minnesota, to even position yourself to possibly make that type of move. So I agree with you, I think it'd be tough.


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[Assistant] For Denver to kind of vault that highly in the NFL draft. All right. That'll do it for this show on Thursday. The super friends are back to wrap up the league meetings and discuss the effects of everything.


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[Assistant] I did my second mock draft, uh, turned it in today and we've got, it's like, it's just like, you know, I did the first one right after the combine and you have all, you know, you're putting, you know, guys in different spots and then you,


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[Assistant] Well you know what, you know what, you know you're right in the episode that it sucks because I did my mock draft for today and...


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[Assistant] I was actually, I was like, oh man, I'm definitely gonna do a viking straight up. But then it was like, Ryan Wilson did that yesterday and I saw Daniel Jeremiah did it today. And it's like, nah, I mean, everybody's gonna do it. It's fine. It's obvious. I think it's clear. Don't you think it's clear?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, like you could also make the case where it's like, okay, would you rather have Jaden Daniels or Bo Nix and a bunch of first round picks? And I think, I mean, like.


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[Assistant] Signed with the New Orleans Saints, a one year, $13 million deal is number two overall by Washington. Got traded for a third round pick at the deadline last year, but can't trade it for less than his teammate Montez Sweat, which is pretty wild. Been banged up, hurt, all this, but feels like a pretty good spot for Chase Young. You're playing alongside Cameron Jordan.


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[Assistant] You know, you, you've got, uh, I mean, you look at the, you know, you're gonna get six games against...


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. But you feel like you're going to get, you're going to get a lot of single, like single looks against, you know, maybe some questionable offensive line. Uh, and if you're, if you're Chase Young, it's definitely a proven situation where you need to go out there, have a big year and then try to get paid because I mean, frankly, his career has not lived up to the hype.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, alright, let's talk Texans uniforms real quickly. I love the fact that, um, like there's an old Cal McNair story about, uh, I think it was Sage Rosenfels and David Carr were in the building. They were like, have you met the, I don't know, his son? He's like,


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[Assistant] I got a Carolina outright too, just for an emotional hedge.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't feel like they did it back in the day. I know, I remember. It's actually, it's actually the, uh,


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[Assistant] Patrick Queen goes to the freaking Steelers. That's brutal. I love, love, love the Derrick Henry, uh, edition, but I do think you have concerns about the offensive line. Now Kevin Zeigler signed, El Torre signed with the Lions on, um, I think on, uh, Monday night maybe or Tuesday afternoon.


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[Assistant] Yeah, follow LA and then Ben Cleveland, it was a third round pick in 2021. It's like, all right, they've got Linderbaum from 22, Cleveland from 21, follow LA from 22.


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[Assistant] Offensive lineman, and if it's like, if they're right about the offensive line and being able to coach it up, then we won't be worried about it as much and Derrick Henry will be running free. But if not, you do have some concerns in that offense. The Cleveland Browns brought in Janus Winston, traded for Jerry Judy, signed Devin Bush, lose Joe Flacco, uh, to, to the culture free agency, brought back Shelby Harris, Maurice Hurst and Zedarius Smith.


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[Assistant] I don't, uh, I like the Jerry Judy move, you know, you get the Alabama guys, like ultimately the Browns, you know, I, I think one of the more underrated losses too for, for Cleveland here, Bill Callahan, the offensive line coach.


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[Assistant] I mean like, like he's the, the best offensive line coach in football. So I'm going to sort of include that and give the Browns a C plus. I just, I'm not blown away by what Cleveland did. Uh, I don't think it's like a terrible free agency period, but I mean, you know, they're everything.


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[Assistant] Alright, that works. Uh, we'll move to Pittsburgh, where the Steelers, I mean this is a...


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[Assistant] This is a wholesale overhaul, particularly in the quarterback room where you spent a first round pick on, can you pick it? But now you have some interesting upside with Russell Wilson or bounce back upside with Russell Wilson. And then Justin Fields, like, I like getting fields for a six round picking off and fighting your rival enough that I'll give them a B plus here.


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[Assistant] When do you think, and the answer could be never, when do you think there will be a quarterback competition here? The Steelers came out and said Russ is the starter. Dude, Arthur Smith offense is going to be pound the rocket, like fits everything Justin Fields does well.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And I mean, look, like Russell Wilson, they probably do, probably set it a little bit for Russ's psyche because, you know, he thinks he's the starter. Let's not forget 2012, Russell Wilson, third round pick takes Matt Flynn's job and you put up the cashier.


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[Assistant] What you're paying Russell Wilson and what you're paying Justin Fields is like 1.6 million for Ross and 3.2 I think for Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] Alright, we already talked about the Houston Texans uniforms. Now we're talking about the Houston Texans themselves.


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[Assistant] It's hard not to, when you talk about the Jaguars, it's hard not to look at them and say, man, really tough miss by them.


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[Assistant] Gabe Davis is a hit or miss deep threat guy. They did add Eric Armstead, which is really nice. Mitch Morse, a good pick up.


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[Assistant] You know, you bring back Josh Allen, Ezra Cleveland, Ronald Darby. I don't like hate what the Jaguars did, but I think that they, I think they were, they got cute trying to re-sign Calvin Ridley.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, look, if everybody's healthy, they got, they got certainly enough playmakers to make it work. The Indianapolis Colts lose Gardner Mintchew, but get Joe Flacco fan favorite for fan.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Tennessee Titans. I'm gonna guess you probably don't give them a huge grade, dudes, because they, they give Calvin Ridley an insanely large amount of money. Goodness gracious.


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[Assistant] If Bill Callahan does what he normally does, and if Brian Callahan is a really good coach.


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[Assistant] I think it's, I think it's at least a good, alright, we can get a decent look at Will Levis and maybe find out what we have sort of set up for the Titans. To the AFC West, Kansas City Chiefs.


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[Assistant] I love, it's hard not to love a sign named Marquise Brown. They have a perfect fit with what they do. Chris Jones back in the fold, still a luxurious need kind of hanging out there as a guy that on the tag, we don't know exactly what's going to happen. Swapped out punters, Matt Ariza cleared of all those charges, uh, is down there. It could be really interesting. I think there's Tommy Townsend of course, but I think I'd give the Chiefs, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, worth noting just to bring it up so we don't, you know, so we don't get lost in the mall. But uh, Jerry Judy signing, signing a three year, $58 million engine with the Cleveland Browns with $41 million in fully guaranteed money. That's a big deal for Jerry Judy.


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[Assistant] Andrew Berry just throwing that cash around. I know, man. I mean, look, you got, you got Amari Cooper and Jerry Jr. You feel like that's a pretty good combo there, plus David and Joku. And there's not a lot of excuses for Deshaun Watson not to be good in this offense, quite frankly. I mean, uhm.


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[Assistant] Judy, I think Judy's a really good number two behind Cooper. And, uh, and you know, if you're the Broncos, you lose him.


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[Assistant] Like, you see what Jerry Judy wanted to get paid? I'm not surprised that Sean Payton didn't want to pay him that. For the same reason, I'm not surprised that Sean Payton was ready to just move on from Russell Wilson. Doesn't feel like Sean Payton is in the business of being extremely patient when it comes to this Bronkers roster and what was waiting for him when he got there.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's hard to give a good grade for the Broncos. I mean, I think you're basically tearing things down here, by the way, so I'm gonna give Broncos...


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[Assistant] Yeah, and just trying to pick up some more assets. I think he realizes you're in the same division as Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. You don't have a quarterback on your roster. Jim Harvall just got into town with, with Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] Payout. Pay a ton of money to Christian Wilkins. Give Gartner Mentschuk like legit starter money it looks like. Uh, sign Harrison Brown as well. Lose Josh Jacobs, Jimmy Garoppolo, 100Ridfro. A lot of leftovers from the previous regime. Uh, and then re-signed Andre James. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree, I agree with you too. I think considering the cap situation, not too bad. Uh, you, you boys, the Jets, Jevon Kimball, Tyron Smith wanted to add, Morgan Moses, they shored up the tackles.


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[Assistant] Yeah, lose Mike Jones, trade back Jones to Jacksonville. I forgot to mention him in the Jacksonville stuff. You lose Devontae Parker, you re-sign Kendrick Bourne, you furniture, you transition tech, excuse me, Kyle Dugger, and then you bring in Austin Huber, Jacoby Brissette, and uh, Cione Takitaki.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I think it would be crazy to suggest that the Patriots look like they're in a good spot heading into 2024, but that's like, that's okay. You know, let's see what they do. Let's see what they do with number three in the draft.


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[Assistant] And let's see, the Patriots are a mystery. We just don't know what this coaching staff is going to look like, how they're going to be.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's just hard to know what new England's going to be in the immediate future. And quite frankly, the roster was not in good shape when Belichick left. It's going to take some time for it to get to a spot where it is in good shape and they got some work to do. All right, that'll do it for us. AFC grades for every single team. Little dash of news on this do's day.


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[Assistant] Uh, flight got cancelled. Too expensive. No, the rooms were too expensive. The flight wasn't too expensive. The rooms, uh, apparently when our boss found out were 1,500 a night? No, 1,800 a night. I heard it was 1,900.


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[Assistant] What's a, what's a hundred dollars? Yeah. Uh, I, two things. I don't think we can say the, uh, the game's name. I don't think we can do that. I'm not gonna go down that road. Oh, because, because it's not a competing network? That's right. Uh, that's number one in the big game.


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[Assistant] The big game, I think is what we have to call it, and I'm more interested in your big round today at TPC Sawgrass. But before you start and do the whole catty thing, just give me the number and then walk, walk backwards from there.


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[Assistant] No, this segues perfectly into where I wanted to go from here, uh, because I figure we can start with Pebble Beach, and I have to say, I'm watching on Saturday, and I'm captivated by the weather. I mean, it was nasty, it was terrible.


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[Assistant] Out there. And I don't know if you watch this live or if you have seen it on the interweb, I'm sure you have. Jordan, your boy Jordan, Jordan Spieth on number seven. Did you see?


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[Assistant] 113 yards? Did you see it? Yea, you hit like a 7 or 8 iron.


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[Assistant] That, that was a thing of beauty. That was golf porn. Like I watched that, I kept rewinding it and showing it to my son. I'm like watch, 113 yard, 7 iron, punched 7 iron from Jordan Spieth. Loved it. Every minute of it.


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[Assistant] I'll give it credit, like no one wants to play in that. If you're gonna go play Pebble, you wanna play it like today, the Justin Rose one in perfect conditions, it was beautiful, and Jim Nance did the poetry thing all day long during the telecast, but that's, I think, what makes Pebble Beach so special, that you end up with a pro.


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[Assistant] If you dug up Pebble Beach and dumped it in the middle of Texas, you wouldn't be able to charge $10 as immunity. I disagree. I think it's a really well-designed golf course for where it's at. I mean, and then you factor in the views and the majesty and the beauty. That just makes it that much more special, but I think it's a very good golf course.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with you, and look, Pebble Beach is a treasure, and it might be overrated. I mean, that's an entirely different conversation, and this week's field, uh, it's beyond that. I mean, the Jordan speech was really it, right? I mean, they kinda got lucky in my opinion with Justin Rose as a winner, and it turned out to be a really good story.


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[Assistant] All that being said, it was just a preamble to where I wanted to go with this, because two sources have told me.


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[Assistant] But I think what we're running into, and so the, the number I was told is you'd end up with 8, where you have 12 now, the three others that you have to factor in, and then the majors, and then the players, that adds up to the 20. That's too much. That's too much for the top players. Too much! You can keep raising your voice!


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[Assistant] Well, you're assuming that that's it. I mean, John Rahm's probably the perfect example here, right? Like, John Rahm's not going to not go play in Spain. He's not gonna play...


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[Assistant] Of why that is, by the time we get to Wells Fargo. Because by all accounts, most top players want out of Wells Fargo. And this has nothing to do with Quail Hollow. It's a great venue. It's always been a great tournament. It's been a must play.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's been a must play for a long time, since really it landed on the schedule. Johnny Harris, who's sort of the benefactor there at Quail Hollow, has done a very good job of creating his own little Augusta National, and that's what he wanted to do. The problem here, just timing. If you look at the Dallas guys, all those guys that live in Dallas,


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's a problem, but they have to reach some sort of balance here, right? Because what you end up with...


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[Assistant] Is a situation where, okay, they can say there's 12 designated events and you have to play in all of them. Well, if they don't fit in the player's schedule, they don't fit in the player's schedule. And this year is kind of a get out of jail free card.


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[Assistant] For the PGA tour, because keep in mind, by and large, all of these increased purses, the tabs being paid by the tour, they're subsidizing these increased purses. Wells Fargo is not paying an extra, I don't know, let's call it eight, nine million dollars, to be a designated event this year. It's kind of a proof of concept.


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[Assistant] That they're going after here. And they want to be able to show all the sponsors that it's worth the elevated price tag to get the designated fee.


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[Assistant] Have you, have you watched it? I mean, watched it, you start talking about TV money, comes factoring into it, presenting sponsors and everything else sometimes. However, yes, by and large, it's whatever the difference is in person.


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[Assistant] So next year, let's extrapolate this forward, you end up with the exact same situation on the schedule without major changes, and you end up with Wells Fargo being without, I don't know, let's say 8 of the 20 players that are designated. The PIP guys.


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[Assistant] Wells Fargo's not gonna be happy with that. And you cannot have a sponsor who's ponying up an extra, however many dollars, millions of dollars.


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[Assistant] Be unhappy with the product. So they're going to have to find.


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[Assistant] Some way to balance this and by all indications, that's what means fewer designated events spread out a little bit more on the schedule. You're still going to have the designated events. They're probably going to rotate to your point. I could see a scenario where Scottsdale and Pebble rotate back and forth. Maybe even you put Torrey Pines in there, you make it a three year rotation where every three, every third year you end up with a designated field. My guess, the players would like that and the sponsors would probably like that.


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[Assistant] I don't, again, I don't disagree with your premise on the list of problems. J Monahan's got a hundred problems. Guess what that one falls.


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[Assistant] And for all of the issues that they got going on right now, yes, I'm sure everyone in Ponte Vedra wishes they had a better field at Pebble Beach, which as you pointed out, it's a natural, national treasure.


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[Assistant] However, I'm not quite sure there's a really really easy fix considering the other things they need to shore up in the short term.


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[Assistant] And I would disagree with you, I'm not sure Maui is untouchable. I mean, Maui was pretty good before this year, before it became a designated event.


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[Assistant] But you don't have to. No, I disagree. I disagree. 100%. Because guys are going to go play at number one because it's Maui. Number two, you're getting to play it as a treat. Long before it became a designated event, this was a reward for winning on the PGA Tour. This is part of what you got the guys look forward to. You know, you got to go to the Masters, you probably qualified for the playoffs automatically, you got a two-year exemption, and oh yea, you get to go to Maui.


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[Assistant] So I think you could take Maui off for no other reason than the field's probably not going to take a huge hit one way or the other.


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[Assistant] I would keep Scottsdale in the mix. I think Scottsdale either becomes one of a rotation or standalone.


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[Assistant] Again, you keep leaning into Pebble and the Pro-Am's an issue. It's not the issue, but it's a issue and I don't think they're going to get rid of the Pro-Am for that. There's a reason why that works.


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[Assistant] You wouldn't have to if you didn't have the amateurs. You wouldn't need a three course rotation if you didn't have the amateurs. Right. Like I would do all 72 at, I would do all 72. And you're talking about to, although Monterey Peninsula is very, very good. Don't sleep on that. So is Byglass. Byglass is the toughest golf course in the rotation. It's alright.


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[Assistant] It's alright. You don't go to Monterey to play Spyglot. I mean, if you can play Monterey Peninsula, you're going to play Monterey Peninsula. But, you're fixing, again, you're trying to find a solution to a problem that the Tour is probably not all that concerned with. Like, I mean, there are so many other things.


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[Assistant] Like, I feel like you're leaning into something that you don't have to. That, yes, I understand where you're coming from, and it would be nice if you did 70 players, designated event, played only at Pebble Beach, and let's say we get perfect weather all four days. Those things don't happen.


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[Assistant] Uhm, probably not the best execution for CBS. I will give them credit though, they are now 2 for 2. Like the Keith Mitchell interview, now granted he didn't end up winning like Max Homa did at Torrey Pines and it was a little bit different circumstances.


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[Assistant] Weird hole, but I will give our former colleague, Gary Williams, actually pointed something out on Twitter, and you and I should know this. It's hard to execute that. Like, okay, get the right player at the right moment. And I feel like they've kind of done that two weeks in a row. Like, good for them. But to make the technical stuff work, you and I have stood.


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[Assistant] Alone, at enough live shots, in the dark, freezing to death, wait for them to figure out how to turn the light on.


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[Assistant] Or god forbid if the microphone goes down. Or if the earpiece isn't working or whatever. I mean, there are 8 trillion things that can go wrong when it comes to a telecast. And for them to be able to pull that off, again, back to back weeks, again, kind of a work in progress. But total respect. I mean, I think he was the right guy. I like Keith. I think he's an interesting fella and he made it interesting.


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[Assistant] I just don't, I wrote about this on Friday in my cutline column that as good as it's been the first two weeks, I'm still really reluctant that the rest of the rank and file are going to be like, okay, I don't see John Rahm popping in headphones next week in Scottsdale coming down the stretch if he has a chance to win.


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[Assistant] Uh, or you get a bad bounce, to your point. And what I would love to see, and look, they got really, really lucky with Max Homey, you got the winner. Like that's kind of hard to manufacture, week in and week out. But to your point on Friday, I kind of would like to get someone who's scrambling to make the cut.


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[Assistant] Like, it can't all be sunshines and smiles sometimes. I mean, sometimes I think if you're going to execute this and it's going to work, you want to see emotion coming from both sides. You want to see, I don't want to hear an F-bomb, like, because that's only going to lead to a fine and Twitter blowing up. However, if you got a guy that does put an award on Seventeen and misses the cup by a stroke, I think that would be fantastic theater.


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[Assistant] It should be... depending on the situation though, it's not a quick yes.


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[Assistant] No, didn't he say something last year or two years ago when this got brought up, pointing out that, look, there's already mics on T-boxes that you can hear enough. I think that was his comment. So, no then. I mean, if, I'm going to take him out of his word. No.


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[Assistant] What about Danny Willett? How classic would Danny Willett net that nutball caddy of his? Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. You know whatever. Sorry.


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[Assistant] Sorry, uh, outspoken caddy is what I meant to say. Apologies, apologies. Let me retract that. Outspoken caddy. How much fun would that be?


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[Assistant] I think it's impressive because I had, you don't want to say you've written anyone off, but he had gotten of that age where you were just, it's hard to imagine.


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[Assistant] Yes, so you don't get a really, really good indication. However, if you just go to sort of the basics, which is total putts, I mean in rounds 1 and 2, he had 26 and 25 putts respectively for the round.


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[Assistant] It's hard to say exactly what that means, but that's pretty good. And so I think when you start talking about as good of a ball striker as Justin Rose is and has always been, even when he stopped working with Foley and then he started working with Foley again and wherever he's at right now in this game, he's always been a pretty decent ball striker if he can find a way.


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[Assistant] To somehow keep that putting relatively close to where it is right now. I don't think he gets back to number one in the world, but he can certainly.


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[Assistant] Sort of come alive during a time of year, during a year when the European side would certainly need them looking ahead to the Ryder Cup.


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[Assistant] Well, and that is such an interesting dynamic because the early stages of this, you thought like Joe Justin Rose is one of these guys. When you start looking, I mean, Lee Westwood made it pretty clear, but you start going down the list of the Ian Poulters and the Richard Blans, and it made it so obvious.


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[Assistant] And he's never really given a really good reason. I don't think he's ever been pressed as to exactly why he didn't go. But there's something you can't ignore is he's represented by Mark Steinberg of Excel Sports who also represents Tiger Woods and JT.


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[Assistant] No Excel clients. And, I mean, it's kind of...


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[Assistant] A very interesting dynamic that if you look behind the scenes and it gets kind of inside baseball, but there's certain groups that did go almost to a man that they wholesale movement from one tour to the next tour. And then you have this particular group, which has been very, very successful and probably the closest person that's even been rumored is Patrick Cantlay, right? I mean, that's as close as anyone's even come from XL.


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[Assistant] To even sort of sniff in that direction. So I just, I find it interesting the mindset of either the players and I don't know how closely aligned they are with Mark and XL on that front.


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[Assistant] He's tumbling out. First time in, I just saw on Twitter, Nasparatu did it, I don't know, but it's the first time in a decade or however long that he's been dominating the world. To your point though, going back to the Saudi international, going to their opener in Mexico just a few weeks, talking about Lev Goff.


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[Assistant] It's amazing that you have DJ falling out. Eventually, it seems like Cam Smith.


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[Assistant] Someone handed him his phone and he remembered that, oh yea, I like to tweet. And that seemed like a year's worth of tweets that he had saved up, that he had just ready in the bag and just started-


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[Assistant] He was throwing them out there like they were eggs that he was throwing at people that he didn't like.


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[Assistant] But I'm like, man, that's what happens when you, when you sit, when you take a knee from social media for a year, the day you come back.


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[Assistant] An undeserved stray, by the way. An undeserved stray. That was the one that I was kind of like, oh, come on, like that's too far. Like the dude's dealing with injuries.


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[Assistant] Well, and I forget who popped back with, uh, Justin Thomas and Tiger Woods and Jordan Spieth and whoever around who has remained loyal to the PGA tour. And the response was, they'll have something to say about this. And Phil's response was, they do have plenty to say, which I was like, all right, that, that one's pretty good. I'll give you that one. We'll have fun with that. Of course.


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[Assistant] You think someone took his phone? Think someone just wrestled his phone away from him? Give it to me! Stop it! Give it to me! Here's a milkshake!


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[Assistant] No, no, I didn't, I didn't spend much time paying attention to the competition. I was curious to see how the likes. You pointed out that Phil Mickelson missed the cut and so did Brooks Koepka and uh, so did Cam Smith. Brooks didn't miss the cut, Cam Smith did.


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[Assistant] Uh, I thought Brox has been to the cut. Okay, uh, but I was more thinking along the lines of Cam Smith, and it was part of what I'm wondering now. We just got through saying 20 events is too much for star players, and then they add events, so you're looking at 25 events, and whatever the matching number- Brox got to be playing in Omaha this week.


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[Assistant] Yeah, whatever the magic number is for players, right? 14 normally is not it. And I think there is going to be a tipping point. And this was, as you pointed out, it's essentially the preseason for live golf, which gets started in a few weeks down in Mexico.


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[Assistant] But for a player like Cam Smith, who did play, I mean, he didn't play a limited schedule when he was on the PGA tour. He was one of the guys that always played 20, 25 events, whatever the case may be. There is going to be a learning curve for these guys. I truly believe for them to figure out how can I root


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[Assistant] Maintain that sort of competitive edge away from golf because I don't have as much golf to partake in any longer. You don't have as many options. There's options now thanks to that international series on the Asian tour and this event. But once you start getting into the season, you're going to have weeks in between tournaments. And I think that's going to be the challenge for a lot of the Lib guys.


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[Assistant] I'm curious about the waste management. I think it's going to be a fascinating week for a number of reasons. Obviously we touched on the idea that it's a designated event. It has an unbelievable field and it's going to be the center of the sports universe. Whether if we can say Big Game or we can use the other. You don't think so? I mean, I'm talking about Scottsdale.


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[Assistant] Yes, the greater phoenix area. The greater phoenix area.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I'm talking about all of it and I don't, let's call it the big game because I don't want to get a call from a lawyer as well as a angry caddy apparently. Is that an email? I must have missed that email. Did we not call?


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[Assistant] I remember having this conversation once when I was on air about them wanting us not to use the word. Like I would defer to our friends who know much more about TV than I do. But yes, I think when it's not on our network, and even maybe when it's on NBC, I'm not even quite sure if we're allowed to do it. Google it. Find it. Super Bowl TM? Uh, sure.


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[Assistant] I mean, it could, but it's going to be the center of the sports universe. And it's kind of where the two sides are going to coalesce.


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[Assistant] More often, with the hope that, oh, they're going to go head to head more often. As we saw over the course of pretty much Tiger and Phil's entire career.


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[Assistant] It just doesn't happen. So I'm curious if now, if we have, let's say 20,


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[Assistant] Designated players. These are the players that we want to go head to head. And now we have a full field. Do you think it actually plays out like they want it to? I'm curious. Do we get the product that essentially the tour is going to end up paying for?


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[Assistant] And I feel like that's where they're heading. Again, the tour is still piecing this together as they're hurling through the air to a brand new normal.


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[Assistant] So I think there's a lot of things to change, but rather if that's 70 or 100 players or whatever the case may be, I think the idea is to have a limited field and 132 is Phoenix. Now I will say this just in passing because I think by and large, most players understand what they're getting themselves into. And I was at the event for the first time last year.


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[Assistant] And I'm telling you, it's different, it's enjoyable, I think I...


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[Assistant] I wonder how the Patrick Cantlay's of the world, and we just mentioned, like, he's not the type of guy that's going to partake in this nonsense. He's not going to take his shirt off.


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[Assistant] But I, I'm going to be curious how this particular tournament lands with those top players. Okay, we have to play these, we have to play this one. Can't we, can't we have played it before? He has. He almost won last year. He finished second last year.


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[Assistant] He absolutely has, and maybe all of the top players embrace it for what it is. It's a one-off. This is one week out of the year, and other places have tried to replicate it, but you're never going to get to what they have.


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[Assistant] At the crow's nest. It's always just a very, very special place and I really, really wish I was there. Thank you, Mercer.


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[Assistant] Uh, cause I had to change it, cause I booked a flight and then I had to add a flight, cause I'm going to Connecticut next week to do shows from studio. So it was how much?


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[Assistant] How much was it all told? Like 2,800 bucks for both flights.


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[Assistant] No, because I had booked my original ticket to Front Phoenix and then back to Orlando, you know, a good long time ago, you know, months if not weeks, you know, weeks if not months. But then by the time I got around to getting the request to have to go to Connecticut on Monday morning after, what just happened on Sunday in Scottsdale?


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[Assistant] So now everything, everything's a little bit more expensive, right? Maybe a lot more expensive. So the Super Bowl just made everything more expensive.


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[Assistant] Oh, I was there last year. It wasn't $1,900. I mean, the Super Bowl just changes things. And it's a week-long celebration now. It's just not Sunday's game.


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[Assistant] Wait, is everything done? It looked like the picture you sent me the other day that the backyard, I don't know, bonanza let's call it is completed.


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[Assistant] I haven't. I've almost missed a few flights, including my honeymoon. We almost missed our flight from going to Rome, from Dublin to Rome. We had to physically sprint down. We went to the wrong gate. We had to physically sprint down in the airport. It was, it was quite the time. I almost left my wife in Dublin, which would have been totally fine, right? I think she would have been totally chill about it.


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[Assistant] I'm onto you, Brinson. I don't know if you're in an airport somewhere. If we can get, if we can get eyes on him, if he's down at Augusta, I'd, I'd be, uh, wouldn't be shocked.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I have many of them. I can list all of them, absolutely right now for you. So yeaah, no. Clearly, happy birthday to the big man. I saw the Bengals actually tweeted at him too, or tweeted a picture of him, so that was great.


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[Assistant] Also went to prison. I mean, we're talking about obviously the double, double murder and double homicide, but he also went to prison for armed robbery for, I believe it was nine years or so. So you're right. A complicated person in, you know, American history, American sports history, NFL history.


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[Assistant] When you talk about how we should remember him, I think you can look at everything. You can say everything that you just said. One of the better running backs in the league's history, but also one of the biggest fall from graces in professional sports in American history as well. You're talking about somebody who was at the height of it.


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[Assistant] An actor, a, you know, in a ton of commercials as a promoter, you have one of the, you know, a pro football hall of fame running back. And then.


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[Assistant] It completely falls to an alleged murderer and going to prison for armed robbery and, and all of those things that happened in between the white Bronco chase, just some huge moments in not just sports history, but an American recent American history. So.


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[Assistant] You can just look at it as a totality of how do we remember him? One of the greatest figures of all time and one of the more infamous figures of all time and one of the greatest fall from graces of all time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it just felt like you were saying bland and, uh, I don't know if tone depth's the right word, but clearly omitting. Kind of a big thing when we're talking about O.J. Simpson, all of the, you know, off the field stuff, and I get it that they are


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[Assistant] An entity that is strictly looking at him as a player. I know you wrote the story that he's not removed from the Hall of Fame. I think some people might find that pretty interesting, the fact that he's not removed from the Hall of Fame considering all of the tumultuous things around him post his playing career.


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[Assistant] But I do think that it's fascinating just again to look outward or kind of grand scheme things with OJ Simpson and just say how big of a, of a figure he was. I was talking to Harry about this before we jumped on and I was trying to equate it to somebody. I'm like,


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[Assistant] NFL broadcasts, watching television. Manning's in a bunch of commercials. He's doing Manning casts. And the fact that you had somebody kind of like that.


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[Assistant] Fall as far down as he did, I think is just a, it's a remarkable turn of events in recent history.


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[Assistant] And it's weird too because, you know, somebody like me, who I, you know, I think a lot of, you just mentioned it. He, you know, he was, you know, a player in the seventies. He won the MVP in 1973. I'm 30 years old, gonna be 31 next month. I was born in 1993. The trial I believe started in 1995.


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[Assistant] You know, I was a young guy when all, er, I was a baby when all that was going on. I wasn't even a young guy to even kind of take that in. Right now, you know, me growing up,


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[Assistant] O.J. Simpson was never the NFL star running back. He wasn't even really the pitchman or the movie star. He was this guy that


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[Assistant] You know, allegedly a lot of people believe even though he was acquitted, murdered two people in, was in a rather horrific fashion and then kind of posted weird stuff all the time on the internet. Like if we're just being honest, that's kind of how I have consumed OJ Simpson in my life because I was, I, you know, all of that stuff predates me. So.


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[Assistant] It's just a, it's, he's an odd figure to tap into because it does span over multiple generations. For me, like I was saying, he's the guy that, you know, clearly had a crazy thing happen in the nineties and, you know, he was acquitted and it was a, you know, an unbelievably polarizing trial.


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[Assistant] But to me, it's, it's, he's a dude that posted weird stuff on the internet, spent time in prison for nine years for armed robbery. Like that's the stuff that really kind of is at least more, I can remember that stuff more than obviously anything that happened when I was a baby. So it's, he's just an odd figure to kind of pinpoint into history at this point.


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[Assistant] Needle to thread if you're the NFL, but you know, I am somebody who thinks.


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[Assistant] You should mention everything. You should not, you know, hide the dirty laundry in the closet, so to speak. I think that you can acknowledge that this person was a, you know, a very high, you know, high profile player in your league, a very productive player, one of the best players in your league at one point.


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[Assistant] But also you don't have to, you know, have these, you know, grand goodbyes or in, you know, these, you know, I feel like I was wondering too, like if


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[Assistant] The NFL has their NFL honors, like is he like in the in memoriam? Like is that something that they do? I'm, I'm sure that they probably will, but.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's a complicated thing for the NFL to try to maneuver, but I think that it's smart to still acknowledge him, the good and the bad.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say I feel bad for Josh Allen because he has the same name as the Buffalo Josh Allen, and when it's a quarterback you're always gonna, you know, take second fiddle to that, but...


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[Assistant] You just listed, what was it? Five years, $150 million, $88 million guaranteed. Yeah. I don't feel bad for the Jacksonville Josh Allen. He's doing quite all right. And you know, I think this is a good move for Jacksonville because


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[Assistant] They need to, you know, he's coming off a 17 and a half sack season, one of the better pass rushers in the NFL, and this is a team that needs to start disrupting the quarterback as, as often as they possibly can because this AFC South, for as much as we've dogged on it,


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[Assistant] It feels like over the last decade or so, it's starting to be, it's starting to be a formidable division when you have CJ Stroud that you have to deal with. Anthony Richardson, who is not going to be an easy guy to take down if he stays to his level, that what we think he could be as a quarterback in Indianapolis. And then with Will Levis.


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[Assistant] They have a ton of weapons there. You have Tony Pollard now. You have Calvin Ridley. You have DeAndre Hopkins. You're going to need to get into that backfield to disrupt Will Levis just as much as the rest of them too. So if you're Jacksonville,


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[Assistant] You're looking at this division and say, how do we combat this new and improved quarterback play? Well, let's keep this guy around that had 17 and a half sacks a year ago.


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[Assistant] You know what the more confusing thing is, is, is when you go on like pro football reference to try to find the play, they don't have the position next to them. So it just says Josh Allen, X year when they entered the league to, you know, present or whatever.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I probably should know exactly when Buffalo Josh Allen entered the league and Jacksonville Josh Allen entered the league.


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[Assistant] But sometimes you get confused. And when you're looking up Josh Allen, whichever Josh Allen you want stats, you end up on the wrong one. So I would wish pro football reference, you know, this is small, small gripe for us football writers, but if you just put their positions next to the name, we wouldn't run into that problem.


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[Assistant] I think Antoine Winfield Jr. gets extended first. There's already reports that they were optimistic that they were, you know, both sides, the Buccaneers and Winfield were able to come to some terms.


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[Assistant] Some type of an agreement, whether that's, you know, an earth-shattering market-setting deal, I guess that remains to be seen, but it feels like there's more momentum in that camp than there is with T. Higgins. I mean, you could speak to it a little bit more, but obviously the dude requested a trade, so.


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[Assistant] I think that, I don't think it makes sense. I think if, if you're a kicker, you're a player, you're anybody in this league,


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[Assistant] You're not in it to be in the UFL. You're in it to go to the NFL. That's the whole point. You're putting together good tape. You're putting situations to hit 60 plus yard field goals so that these NFL teams then take notice of you and try to, you know, obviously acquire your services.


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[Assistant] So, this is where I think the, you know, go to the USFL, the XFL, the UFL now, this is where I think they get it wrong, and this is where I think that they still need to fine tune whatever this spring league is that they want to try to establish.


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[Assistant] You need to connect it to the NFL. You have to have it be something of an NFL entity. Even if it's just kind of a side thing, it's not officially linked with the NFL, but it still needs to be somewhat linked so that when these things happen, you can


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[Assistant] Get to know a player in the UFL and then all of a sudden he joins your team and they're actually contributing to that team.


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[Assistant] In the NFL that following season. So then at me and NFL follower will take a little bit more stock into these spring leagues because it could be a breeding ground for contributors to my NFL team like that. They need to find a way to link the NFL teams and the NFL product to the UFL right now. It just feels like they're trying to get into their own way.


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[Assistant] I was just gonna say, I'd be lying to you if I said I've been sitting down every weekend and watching games. I mean, it's the off season. We're NFL, you know, writers and, and all of that. So is, if I don't have to watch the UFL, then I won't.


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[Assistant] I'll see, I'll see it online. I'll see clips and things like that.


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[Assistant] To me, the reason why I haven't invested fully in the UFL yet is because, as you mentioned, there's been so many spring leagues and you get to like week five of the thing.


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden you find out every, no one's getting paid, the paychecks aren't going through, it's bankrupt and the league folded. So I, you know, I remember watching the XFL when it first came back and, and, and in showing some interest into these spring leagues because I do think.


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[Assistant] That there are good stories to be told where there's a kicker hitting a 60 something yard field goal and he goes to the Dallas Cowboys and he helps that team out the following year. I think that there are good narratives to come from these spring leagues, but


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[Assistant] Right now, I mean we're just talking about it. They're not really creating a clear pathway to the NFL.


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[Assistant] It's just hard to invest in. And for somebody, you know, let's just use us for an example. Bengals and Patriots followers.


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[Assistant] It's tough to have a link to a team that's not in New England, not in Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Outside of that, it's tough for me to identify and to have any sort of connection with these teams because one, I don't know if they're going to be there and two, I don't know how it helps my NFL franchise.


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[Assistant] No, of course we're gonna see. This is a money-making opportunity for the NFL, so certainly the NFL is going to explore this as much as humanly possible. Now if they start not making money...


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[Assistant] Attention, not just in the United States, but internationally. Well, then of course they're going to, you know, put every, you know, they're going to try to have all of these international games. Now I don't think that they're going to say, you know, like they do with London. All right, Jacksonville, you're out there for three weeks. I don't think we're doing that in Brazil quite yet.


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[Assistant] You're gonna see these one-off games in Brazil, in Mexico, you know, we've already seen them start to go into these different markets, whether it be Germany or, you know, you're seeing all of these teams linked to different countries in terms of what they can market. They're already pretty much there. I think we're only going to see more of it as the years go forward.


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[Assistant] Like again when we're talking about picking these teams you think that like logistically that would be one of the.


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[Assistant] It's just funny to see one of the more storied franchises having to schlep on a bus to go to Milwaukee to then head down for the international game. But, but I did want to mention this quickly as we're talking about this game and it will be NFL.


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[Assistant] You know, continue to do this. I think the proof is in the teams that they're putting in these games. Look at this game in particular. This is a great game. The Green Bay Packers versus the Philadelphia Eagles, a Packers team that has a young quarterback on the rise in Jordan Love that was on the doorstep of going to the NFC championship.


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[Assistant] Has a ton of star power and an MVP candidate quarterback in Jaylen Hurts. Like they're not doing like the old school Thursday night football thing where they're color rushing it against the Titans and Jaguars. Like it's, we're talking about legitimate NFC contenders on this type of a stage. So I think that that's a tell too, that they are,


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[Assistant] Taking it extremely seriously to put marketable teams in these venues.


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[Assistant] To me, it seems like the clear cut answer. Obviously, no disrespect to John Elway. Not, not O.J. Simpson? No, not O.J. Simpson. I don't think, you know, uh, I don't think that that one really makes the cut. But Peyton Manning, to me, he, you know, he reminds me of kinda like LeBron James in the sense that there was so much hype with him.


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[Assistant] And you almost think that, like you were just saying, all these drafts are always bust. It's never going to work out. He's somebody that came into the league and lived up to the hype.


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[Assistant] He is someone who is established himself as one of the top five greatest quarterbacks of all time, if not the top three greatest quarterbacks of all time, multiple time Superbowl champion, a ton of NFL records. It's weird because he played in the same era as Tom Brady that we consider the greatest of all time, but still to me,


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[Assistant] You draft this guy being number one overall, hoping that he would become Peyton Manning and he did.


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[Assistant] Did you know that? I did not. I knew, I didn't know where you were going to go with that, but of course that is, that is a nice little bonus. So we'll, we'll definitely, we'll definitely take that into consideration.


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[Assistant] Lot of good options here, but when you are spoken about as the greatest player on your side of the ball of all time and in Lawrence Taylor,


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[Assistant] It's hard for me to go against that one. Like, you know, I, I get it without, with these other.


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[Assistant] You know, very worthwhile candidates, but you're talking about somebody who was the face.


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[Assistant] You are hoping that you get half of Lawrence Taylor and the fact that the Giants were able to use the number two overall pick and get him there and get that type of player is again just unbelievable.


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[Assistant] So lem, can we guess where you're gonna go? Do you wanna go first on this one?


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[Assistant] To me, I like Barry Sanders, and that's more just of a personal preference. Human joystick, former MVP, led the NFL in rushing four times, one of the greatest running backs of all time.


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[Assistant] And to me just, and one of the more exciting players, like, you know, this is before viral. This is before, you know, things blowing up on the internet, certainly during his playing days, but it almost feels like anything that he did went viral. If that's weird to even say, like he's such a dynamic and electric player.


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[Assistant] If I'm drafting a running back, again, at number three, I'm just using this as kind of my barometer. If I'm drafting a running back and he becomes Barry Sanders, massive win.


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[Assistant] I mean this, I feel like this is the most stacked one that we've had so far, right? Like, to me it's crazy, I will go, I will make the Homer case for John Hanna. If we're doing greatest players of all time at their respective positions, yes, obviously a guard, but back in the day,


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[Assistant] That is, or you know, in his time, was the greatest offensive lineman in the league and has been dubbed in some circles.


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[Assistant] By the Patriots and kind of spearheaded by John Hannah. So, you know, to me, if we're going to go, you know, positional greatness, if we're going to factor that in here, Hannah's probably in there as well, but producer Harry's freaking out to us in the, uh, in the chat there. So autogram might also be in there as well.


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[Assistant] You know, LT was one of my favorite players, you know, when I was growing up, like fantasy football, absolute stud, but I don't know if I can shy away from Deion Sanders here. I mean, just, you know, talk about iconic players.


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[Assistant] In the NFL, a former defensive player of the year, just an absolute stud all the way around on multiple different levels, obviously in special teams as well in the return game. So to me, I think Deon Sanders is probably the pick here.


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[Assistant] I think I go Jim Brown here. You're talking about one of the, again, one of the greatest running packs of all time, a three-time NFL MVP.


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[Assistant] What is it? 1960s All-Decade Team. 75th Anniversary All-Time Team. 100th Anniversary All-Time Team. He's in the Browns Ring of Honor. He's got his number 32 retired. And I, you know, this is another one I remember.


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[Assistant] When, you know, you would hear, you know, Patriots going to Cleveland for games and Bill Belichick would make it a point to have the team stop.


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[Assistant] That Jim Brown statue, there is such a respect for that type of a player, so to me I would go Jim Brown.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think that there's, if, if we're being, you know, honest, I think that there's probably a chance that Josh Allen gets there, but we have to see his career play out, right? Like, if he goes in on and wins a couple of Super Bowls, then sure. Okay, we could, we could talk about him in this regard. It just feels a little bit too early. I feel like he's like,


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[Assistant] An MVP in Too Super Bowl short for being in this conversation. I think Adrian Peterson is someone who probably should get some love here. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Ronnie Lott to me, just, you know, I know that we talk about the 49ers with, you know, with Joe Montana and everything along, you know, Jerry Rice and those guys, but boy, Ronnie Lott, legit.


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[Assistant] Defensive anchor in that secondary four time Super Bowl champion, eight time first team, all pro, you know, has led the league in, in force fumbles and in interceptions at certain points in his career. I just think that, you know, we're talking about somebody who was as much as we talk about Joe Montana and all those guys in San Francisco, he's on the defensive side, someone that should be slept on.


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[Assistant] Do you like, you almost have to go dickbuckus here, or am I, am I wrong?


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[Assistant] Five time first team all pro, I mean, you know, again, one of the greatest bears of all time.


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[Assistant] I feel like I'd go dickbuck. I feel like I would go with that. I feel comfortable with that.


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[Assistant] That's fine with me. I mean, you know, again, great linebackers. I mean, you know, this even without buckets, this is a heck of a spot for linebackers at number nine overall, but no, we can go Bruce Matthews. That's totally fine with me.


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[Assistant] He is establishing himself and, you know, I wrote a story about it after they won the Super Bowl, just kind of looking at all the postseason statistics of where he already ranks. It's ahead of guys like Peyton Manning. He is rivaling.


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[Assistant] The start that, or he's basically on track with what Tom Brady was able to do and in many respects has been better than Tom Brady at the start of his career statistically. So he is very much on track to be the greatest quarterback of all time, but already right now, if he retired tomorrow, he would, in my mind, be considered one of the seven best quarterbacks of all time, if not higher.


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[Assistant] This is, this is a good one. This is, you know, again, you know, if you're the Minnesota Vikings, maybe you just stay Pat. You're, you're picking at number 11. Seems like you'll get some, some good players here at this spot. I think I go, I think I lean Ben Roethlisberger because I am just putting so much emphasis on quarterback.


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[Assistant] But boy, J.J. Watt too, I mean that is, that is a tough one. That is a tough one. I think Eileen, Ben Roethlisberger, probably one of one more if he was in a different era.


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[Assistant] If we're going strictly on personality, which I know we're obviously not, it's Marshawn Lynch in a landslide, because he is the funniest guy that's ever stepped foot on an NFL field. He's one of my favorite characters that the NFL has ever had to offer, but we're not doing it on, you know, how funny you are and how good of a soundbite you are.


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[Assistant] I think I go Aaron Donald here, and maybe that's a little recency bias, but


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[Assistant] We were, we were talking, when he retired, we were talking with, with Brinson that this is, you know, one of the three best defensive players of all time. The fact that he was able to do, to have so much production from, even from just a very boring sack standpoint, you just look at sacks.


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[Assistant] The way that he was able to disrupt from the interior, he's not an edge guy, he's an interior defensive lineman, the fact that he was able to


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[Assistant] Have such an impact and did win a Super Bowl with the Rams and is considered to me to be one of the five best, maybe three best defensive players of all time. I think it's, it's, it's warrants him to be the best player number 13 overall.


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[Assistant] And as much as I said, I put emphasis on positionals in the quarterback, and so Jim Kelly probably would be the answer there.


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[Assistant] Daryl Rivas to me is one of the greatest cornerbacks of all time. The fact that he was able to be so dominant in an era where it was so pass happy and the rules are so slanted.


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[Assistant] School yard boys, he is just, to me, I think it's Rivas and it's not that close, even though again, Jim Kelly, a phenomenal quarterback.


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[Assistant] You do not. I will say though, still, Troy Palamalu, Zach Martin, Raymond Claiborne, Javon Curris, pretty good names there, but boy, when you have the greatest wide receiver of all time, it kind of ends the conversation.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I go Art Monk here, three time Super Bowl champion, Hall of Famer, that, that, to me that's relatively easy.


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[Assistant] The answer to me is, is Marvin Harrison, but let me just give some love to Sean Alexander, who was a beast in Madden 07 when he was the cover athlete, because that was one of my favorite video games of all time. And when he was rocking those, those old Seattle uniforms before they went, you know, the Russell Wilson neon green ones.


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[Assistant] Jack Youngblood, five time first team All-Pro, obviously Hall of Famers, L70s team.


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[Assistant] That's probably it. I will say this though, fun fact, I almost lean towards, uh, Forrest Greg only because my parents, when I was born, they were down to Tyler and Forrest. Those were the two names. So I could have been Forrest Sullivan, so I might, you know, that's what's pulling me to, uh, to Forrest Greg, but I probably go Youngblood.


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[Assistant] I think that's, you know, it's, it's similar to Jerry Rice.


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[Assistant] One of the best, if not, you know, talent wise, the best to ever do it.