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[Assistant] I jumped on, but I will say, I jumped on when Sala came over. I was like all about the Jets. I'm a couple years in. I'm a couple years in.


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[Assistant] Alright, Leija, let's talk about The Sauce. Would you say that he is already the best cornerback in the NFL after just one season?


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[Assistant] Do you think that the, that the Jets can win the division this year and is that something that you would bet on?


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, uh, Will has one more question, but as do I, you talk about, uh, having a competent quarterback back there. How good.


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[Assistant] What is Aaron Rodgers going to be? We look at his, for the most regular season passing yards, plus 2,000, and then his actual prop for regular season passing yards, just under 4,000, 3,975 and a half, and then his regular season touchdown passes, 27 and a half, that overdues to minus 130. Uh, what do you think?


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[Assistant] I saw those ears behind you and I was, uh, I was gonna ask about that. Yeah, that was my first, uh, my first gig out of college. I worked in their sports public relations office. So it was really cool. It was basically anything sports related that happened at the park. So that's everything from like their run Disney races.


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[Assistant] To at the time we had Olympians training there and it was actually during the NFL lockout when I was there. So there were NFL guys training there and then even like kids.


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[Assistant] tournaments or the Super Bowl parade, like literally anything sports related or if an athlete wanted to visit the park, we'd help promote it. We'd help cover it. So it was, it was awesome. I loved it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean it was obviously amazing having him here. It was so fun for Bucks fans. It was fun for everybody in the building. It brought so much attention and I think


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[Assistant] We're doing incredible and deserved a lot of attention. Guys like Mike Evans and Levante David that just because maybe we're in a little bit smaller market or we weren't always playing in some of those more prime time slots.


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[Assistant] Incredible athletes and then even incredible people that just work in this building weren't always getting the credit that we felt like they deserved. And so we just love that it brought such a spotlight to so many different people and


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[Assistant] Who better to work on that and bring that in than the goat, right? So I think that it was an incredible experience, especially for so many of our young guys to get to come in here and learn from someone like him, watch how he prepares.


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[Assistant] And I do think that he's gonna leave an impact beyond just him playing here, that I think those things stick with


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[Assistant] An organization and a locker room. And so people are still going to be getting some of those effects of, you know what? We saw what it took to win some of our franchise, um, keys right now. People like Tristan Wirfs, Antoine Winfield got a chance to come in and right out of the gate, see what it takes to win a Super Bowl and now be able to try to replicate that again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you make it to the NFL, you're not someone that has a mindset that you're not going to win every game, right? I mean, you think you're going to win every matchup. You think you're going to win every game. Like that's what gets you.


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[Assistant] To the NFL and I think that a lot of guys are probably out there saying like, look, yeah, of course he was incredible. He's the goat.


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[Assistant] And we understand that losing him is not inconsequential.


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[Assistant] We have a lot of really talented guys on this roster and let's be real, NFL guys, they love to have a chip on their shoulder. They seek out a chip on their shoulder. I think back to even just watching like the last dance with Michael Jordan and he's talking about how he's making up stories that aren't even true to have a chip on his shoulder. So I have to imagine that it's kind of an awesome motivator for these guys.


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[Assistant] For one guy to leave your team, even if he's the goat, but one guy to leave your team and everyone just be writing you off completely.


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[Assistant] That sounds like some bulletin board material to me and I think that's going to motivate a lot of guys and I think we still have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I think that it's, uh, to me it's just kinda like, alright.


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[Assistant] Keep ranking us 32 on this or 28 on this. Like I think that the guys are probably hyped about that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hate to ever talk about it in terms of hot seats, things like that and people's jobs. I mean, I know that everybody in this organization has a lot of confidence in Coach Bowles and he's well liked and people just rave about his.


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[Assistant] Football IQ and people also just like him. I mean, he is the ultimate trash talker. Man, this guy, like, he'll getcha. He can take it, but man, you better know if you're giving it, he's gonna dish it out.


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[Assistant] And I know that so many of these guys, especially on the defense have talked about the kind of mentor he's been, the way that he's changed, the whole way that they study for games and look at football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think that everybody here loves him, has confidence in him, has faith in him. So yeah, I think that he's a great guy to be leading the team right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think we won't know anything. It's always so tough without any pads on off season. You know, heck, I could go out there and probably run some drills and not look too terrible. And sometimes, you know, I mean, it's just so hard to tell a whole lot, but it is absolutely a competition. You know, they're giving both of these guys starting team reps and.


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[Assistant] They talk a lot about how great it is to have a competition like this, uh, going into camp and that they will announce it when they're going to announce it, whoever that starter is.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, both guys are getting those reps and those looks, and I think it's gonna be one of the most fascinating things to watch during camp, cause let's be real, that's what we all love in training camp, right? Are the battles, that yeaah, is it cool to see just who's gonna make the team? That's always kinda cool to see too, who gets those last few spots here and there, but to have a starting quarterback battle,


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[Assistant] In training camp and in these preseason games, like that's going to be really fun to watch. I think each of those guys bring something unique.


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[Assistant] To the position. Of course, Baker has more NFL snaps and everybody talks about he's got a lot of charisma. He's got a lot of those intangibles and things. But man, Kyle Trask has been in this building. He got to learn under Tom Brady. He's been around these guys.


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[Assistant] And he's earned respect because he's put in the work that he has, even when he didn't know if he was going to see the field, he was in there doing the right things, coming in, studying. So I think they both have a lot of respect from everybody on the team for how they've handled it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, he's a lot of fun to have around. Uhm, I got to MC Mike Evans gala for his foundation recently and Baker was, uh, kind of both Kyle and Baker were on the panel with me when we did a discussion with players and.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeah, I mean, you can see he's a guy that, look, he's done national commercials, like he knows how to do that part of the quarterback job so well that it's unfortunate sometimes we ask so much of quarterbacks. Not only do you have to play the hardest position, you also have to be like the CEO of a team and spokesman and funny and this and it's like we, we expect so much now, especially in kind of like a social media world and Baker.


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[Assistant] Great to work with so far that, um, shameless plug, if anyone wants to watch, we went golfing together. Do I know how to golf? No, I do not. Why did I not? Why did I think that would be a bad idea? Uh, so we went and played around a golf and he was hilarious and fun and entertaining. So yeah, he definitely has that, that personality going for you.


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[Assistant] Man, that's definitely a question above my pay grade, but I mean, it's so hard to imagine that, you know, this is a guy that has, he just bleeds Buccaneers and the Bucs fans love him and he, he's still playing at such a high level. It's such a tough position.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, how can you say that he's not the Mike Evans you've always had this whole time? I mean, nine straight years, thousand yards, like he's, I don't care who's at quarterback, I don't care what else is going on.


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[Assistant] He is as consistent as the sun rising and setting every day. And so this is a guy, and he's also just.


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[Assistant] Man, he's what you want in a locker room. He is every single thing you want. He has done so much work in this community and he is so unselfish. He is a leader. He's someone guys enjoy being around, doesn't try to take credit for stuff, just comes in, does the work no matter.


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[Assistant] How much we all view him as a future Hall of Famer superstar guy. You need him to block, he'll block. Like, he will do anything it takes. So, I mean, it's just, he's a guy you want. He's a guy you want in your locker room and on the field and on your team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think that's where training camp is going to be really great to watch. Cause again, those, the big guys in the middle, that's where you have no idea when they're, they're not in pads and all off season. It's just so hard to tell how anyone would be doing.


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[Assistant] So that's what all of us here are really excited to watch more than probably anything else. I mean, yeah, the quarterback battle is really fun, but.


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[Assistant] The offensive line, that's where you're finally going to be able to tell some things. And I mean, look, Tristan Wirfs, I would put him anywhere on the field and have faith in him. Like you can tell me Tristan's going to go play quarterback and I'd be like, sure. Like he just is such a ball player. He's so athletic. He's so smart.


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[Assistant] Another guy that is such a good locker room guy of, you know what, whatever you need me to do, you need me to move to the other side of the line. Great. So, um, I know he's talked about the fact that yeah, it's, it's an adjustment. He's having to learn. It's kind of like trying to suddenly write with your other hand or.


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[Assistant] You've got all this muscle memory, so it's, it's gonna be a challenge for him, but I think there's not a soul in this building that doesn't have complete confidence in his ability to do it. He's taken on a lot of leadership as well with not just the line, but the whole team.


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[Assistant] So I think that he is going to be that next person that can take over for like an Ali Marpet and guys like that who really had been this stalwart leadership person.


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[Assistant] Think that he has a chance to really contribute and yeah, get a key, maybe moving over, see how after a whole year under his belt, I'm sure he's learned a whole lot. Um, brought in Matt Filer this off season, a guy that's got a lot of veteran presence as well, which is great. And then, man, just to have Ryan Jensen back, it is so hard to.


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[Assistant] You know, overestimate what that means to this line to this team.


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[Assistant] Cause he brings not just the solid X's and O's and the dependability.


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[Assistant] But he's a guy that brings that moxie. He brings that grittiness to the line. And I know they've said they expect that out of Cody Malk as well. And so I think you got a lot of guys on that line that are going to take a lot of pride. Gettikey, same thing. They love being those guys that other teams don't want to play. And so I think it's going to be a lot of fun to watch how they all start to gel and work together.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think that outside of, you know, Ryan Jensen and Tristan Wirfs and everything, I mean, like maybe outside of that, you never know, like you just never know what's going to happen in camp and where all those battles are. I definitely think Cody has,


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yeaah, I mean I think he does have a really good shot at it. They think that highly of him. Second round pick. I think you are expecting to contribute probably pretty quickly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think saying Vita's the biggest part of it is both literal and metaphorical, right? He's a large fellow in there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's going to be a really interesting group to watch. So Vida, I mean, look, we know what he is and we are very thankful we have it. That is an incredible guy. And he was leading the team, you know, in sacks, which is wild for a guy at his size and position and all of that.


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[Assistant] And it's amazing to speak super highly of him, but I also know it's not necessarily what you want, what the ideal is for the defensive line. Where I see being really cool this year is of course,


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[Assistant] You want your defensive lineman to set up things for your outside linebackers. I think it's going to be a really big year for them.


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[Assistant] But also you get Kalei Jokantzi in there where he's known for that explosiveness, that quick twitch, that he's not the biggest guy on the D line, but then that's kind of his, his benefit there is that he can squeeze in, shoot those gaps, get a quick get off. So I think it's going to be really fun to watch Vita take up, you know, a whole offensive line single-handedly and then give.


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[Assistant] That can see could really have, you know, a pretty big year for a rookie now. I know it's always hard to expect a ton from a rookie, especially in that position. I mean, we look back at who we've had here with the bucks. I think.


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[Assistant] So I think that it would be hard to ask a whole lot of CanSee, uh, but I think that they view it as the two of them together that they're gonna each help each other a lot, uhm, and bring a lot to that interior line as well.


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[Assistant] I think Antoine Winfield Jr. said in an interview the other day, he's like, yeah, we're trying to be the top defense in the league. Like I don't, that's, that's what the goal is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they have talent all over the field and they have leadership all over the field. The, you know, Vita's really stepped up and been just so consistent up there in the front. And then yeah, you got Levante still coming back in the middle and it is so hard for people outside of being like intense Bucs fans.


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[Assistant] To, to know what he's meant to this organization and this locker room. Again, the leadership he brings is incredible.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Devin White, young talent, like still young and getting even better. Like he just can wreck things as well. So athletic. It's incredible. Yeah. And now Anton Winfield.


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[Assistant] He's getting really focused in on that safety position again, cause last year they had him like a little bit of safety, a little bit of nickel, cause he's just so talented, even though he was still young, they were like, where else can we put him cause he's so good.


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[Assistant] But Bowles has said, you know what, I want to let him focus. I want to let him do his one thing really well, but even though he did great.


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[Assistant] Sliding into the nickel without having done it before. It's like, you know, let's let him do his thing and so.


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[Assistant] They're gonna let him focus on safety. And yeah, you got Jamel Dean and Carlton Davis both came back as your top two outside corners. They're both great and have a lot.


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[Assistant] of faith in themselves, a lot of faith in this defense. They'll tell you they want to take on any wide receiver there is. Yeah. I mean, I think, and Todd Bull's calling it. Let me tell you that always is a huge boost to that man is creative. He loves bringing all sorts of things out there.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I think this defense has a chance to still be really good. They just, I know they're focusing on getting more takeaways.


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[Assistant] Cause there were a lot of times that they were so close to a bunch of interceptions and just didn't quite get it. So I know that that'll be a huge point of emphasis this year.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I mean Devin's great, you know, that he was, uh, here at Mandatory Mini Camp and we know that again, he just, he brings a lot.


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[Assistant] On and off the field, great guy in the community, great guy on the field. So yeah, I mean, I know that they expect him to be a great contributor again this year. He's a guy that expects a lot of himself, brings a lot to the defense, brings a lot of energy, a lot of hype.


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[Assistant] Uh, he's the guy a lot of times that's leading that huddle before the game, getting everybody hyped and ready to go. So yeah, I mean, I think that they just expect him to be, uh, even more his, his Devon White self, you know, that he, that's what he does and he brings a lot of energy and a lot of great big plays. And I know they're excited to see him back this year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know that's, that's always the goal, right? Every year it's win the division first and that makes your route in the playoffs easier. And yeah, I mean, I think it's, it's really fun that this division is so up in the air with this little.


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[Assistant] QB carousel that no one knows how it's gonna look. You know, I think that sometimes we...


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[Assistant] There's certain times in the NFL it feels like you just know how things are going to play out or think you do. And I think it's really fun for this division to look so different after so long of where, you know, it was Drew Brees for so long. It was Matt Ryan for so long and you start to just kind of know what these offenses are going to look like.


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be a ton of fun to watch these matchups this year. And of course I know that again, the Bucks are going to be thinking of how they're going to be able


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[Assistant] To win that division and I think it'll be interesting to see how they match up with some of these other teams that have changed as much or a lot more even than them. Yeah, anything else Breach?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, uh, Rodrigo just showed up at the very end that he got signed towards the end of mandatory mini camp. So we haven't gotten a chance to see the battle very much yet. Again, that's going to be another fun one going on in training camp. I love that you brought it up. It's going to be a little overshadowed by that quarterback battle. It's like just a teensy bit.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, I mean, man, kicker battles are fun cause it's, uh, it's always easy to just sit there and count how many they made. It's a little bit easier to see what happened than knowing what was being asked of everybody. But yeaah, I think they've both already looked great.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that's a position battle that's always fun to know that you've got a couple great options that no matter who.


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[Assistant] Wins that one, you feel confident in who's out there and.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I thought, you know, Rodrigo came in and it was so funny that there was a clip caught of Baker giving him grief for beating them in, uh, in their bowl game that year. And uhm, so always, always good to see a kicker being brought in and trash talk to like the rest of the team. But yeah, I think that they're excited about both of them. I know that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, we definitely all miss Ryan Suckup. He was a great guy and a great addition to this theme.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I know that they wanted someone that could definitely give them


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[Assistant] Consistency in the, in the bigger, longer kicks to give yourself that chance of knowing that if it comes down to a long fifties, low sixties, that you, you have a chance to give it a shot if that's what it comes down to. And so we'll see which of these guys ends up bringing the consistency and bringing the big leg.


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[Assistant] But you're right about the offensive line. And I thought about this as we wrapped up mini camp this week.


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[Assistant] This is the first time of any NFL team maybe dating back to 2016 when I covered the Raiders. Like they had one of the best offensive lines in football that year.


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[Assistant] But every other year, it's like, man, this mishmash group of guys up front and they're testing players out, they're cross-training guys at different positions, and it's the whole, like, cliche musical chairs that you see up front.


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[Assistant] We know the starting five, the projected starting five left to right has been the same.


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[Assistant] Throughout the offseason, it hasn't changed. Braxton Jones is still holding down the left tackle spot.


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[Assistant] Kevin Jenkins was moved, you know, immediately when they signed Nate Davis from right to left guard. So he's at left guard. Cody Whitehair remains with this team. He's going back to center. He has not taken any reps, you know, anywhere else.


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[Assistant] Nate Davis and Darnell Wright. Like you don't draft a guy 10th overall and expect to have to work him in or whatever. Like this is a pick that they made knowing that's a very important spot on the offensive line at the two bookends that you have to have for pass protection.


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[Assistant] I'll say this about the O-line, like it was one of the worst in football last year and before that, you know, the year that Fields was sacked, again, like leading the league in 2021, not a great unit, but some of it is on him too, like he holds on, like his fatal flaw coming out of college that a lot of people talked about in the draft processes, you know,


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[Assistant] Guys in front of him where he's comfortable. He's not worried about somebody turning into a turnstile because of whoever they're going up against in the defensive line.


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[Assistant] That's a good sign and it's a great sign for this team that


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[Assistant] More or less, this is solved. This isn't like the position battle to watch because I know over the next couple of weeks we'll be writing articles about like biggest position battles, what's up for grabs.


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[Assistant] They've made upgrades. I mean, very clearly the two spots on the right side of the offensive line.


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[Assistant] We're, we're in this necessity. Riley Reif was kind of a godsend for this team last year. They pick him up right before training camp and he ends up, you know, becoming their starting right tackle. And they, you know, Alex Leatherwood didn't pan out there when they claimed him off waivers. Larry Borum didn't pan out there. So.


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[Assistant] Same thing with Nate Davis, not moving him out of his position. The only player playing out of position is Tevin Jenkins and he was really good.


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[Assistant] Taking a weird situation last year, getting moved from left tackle to right guard in a matter of like, like, you know, an eight week span. Uhm, the, the rumors about him, you know, being on the trading block, the team shopping him and then all of a sudden it works out and they're like, man, you're really good at guard.


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[Assistant] Let's see how you do at the left side. I think it's all working out the way that they expect they would hoped. It would uhm, in turning a unit that really struggled, uh, at points last year into one that's projected to be a lot better than 2022.


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[Assistant] That's a really low bar, and I know I kinda say that like with a little sarcasm in it, but...


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[Assistant] You can't be any worse than the worst, uh, passing offense from a year ago.


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[Assistant] A lot of that had to do with who he was throwing the ball to. By the time the season was over, Darno Mooney was on IR because he broke his ankle week 12.


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[Assistant] And the group looks a lot different, but last year they were just trying to piecemeal together a group and then figure out, okay, who can do what?


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[Assistant] Tyke Tolbert, the wide receivers coach, I talked to him, you know, a couple weeks ago, just about like, what does the state of this room look like? And I thought it was kind of telling where he said, not only do you have like more established guys, you have guys, like, you're not guessing what their roles are. Like, you know who your number one is. You know that Mooney's probably going to be really effective when you put him back in the slot.


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[Assistant] Chase Claypool still has to get on the field. He was, he missed most of the offseason program because he's dealing with some, like, sounds like a multitude of things according to Matt Eberfluss, but


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[Assistant] Whether it's soft tissue, whether it's something else, it's something to keep an eye on, but


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[Assistant] I think if you're Justin Fields, you're confident now that you can work towards


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[Assistant] And what we saw in mini camp and when OTAs is that DJ Moore.


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[Assistant] Is a bright spot on this offense, something that they have not had. And it was funny because by the time he was traded to Chicago Bears, like his receiving yard numbers were among like the best that the Bears would have ever had.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think back to that Musha Muhammad quote from like years ago where he said Chicago is where receivers go to die.


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[Assistant] Um, or wanted to go because of that. I mean, it is notoriously, it's been a defense, defensive, uh, first mindset in the city. And then of course the running game, they were the most dominant rushing offense last year. A lot of those contributions came from the quarterback.


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[Assistant] With a team of NFL players at Ohio State, it's a lot different than some of the competition you're going up against. Now when you do it every single week as a pro, there's challenges to that, but we've seen


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[Assistant] An added emphasis, Maddy Berflux called it the theme of the offseason with the deep passing game, but they've taken a lot of deep shots and some of them fell incomplete. Some of them were completed. And when you get a chance to just like try things out right now to see what works.


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[Assistant] It speaks to like the larger thing of this team and hopefully, you know, for their sake with what Ryan Poles is planning to do, like,


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[Assistant] I went back and looked at the history of it and, and I, in that, in that Musha Muhammad quote, like really sticks out because remember when Greg Olson was here, like they traded him right at the time where it's like, man, this guy's going to be a, you know, a pillar of this franchise.


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[Assistant] They've never gotten it right at that position and...


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[Assistant] People in your division have multiple thou-, look at Minnesota. They have multiple thousand yard receivers every season. They have the best receiver in the NFL right now. Like, you gotta keep pace there and.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he does. And that is what we're all focused on. Like, what does that connection look like? So.


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[Assistant] You know, when they say like receiver and quarterback tandems on the same page and everybody's clicking, like how long does that actually take when you're in a brand new system?


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[Assistant] And he said, you try to get through OTAs, and then by mini camp you feel, okay, we're rolling a little bit, you take the break, you come back for training camp, and then it's about two to three days, and you're like, alright, we're up to speed.


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[Assistant] We still need to see him make the strides as a passer before you put any sort of, you know, bow on it.


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[Assistant] There was, uh, they were in, uh, 11 on 11 and this tight window throw that he made down the sideline that DJ Moore, like, caught over his shoulder when he was flanked by, uh, Jalen Johnson and Elijah Hicks.


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[Assistant] Those are the moments, like that's the stuff that you bring him here for and he's going to be the deep ball threat. He has vertical speed that.


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[Assistant] Everybody I've talked to said that like, the way you see him run, it's not his fastest. Like he hasn't, which is great because he has another gear he can tap into to try to get.


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[Assistant] I asked Justin Fields about this yesterday. Did the chemistry come along quicker for you guys than you might have thought? Because to our eye it looks like, alright, that's a well...


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[Assistant] Oil machine right now of course it can get better but.


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[Assistant] I don't know if we all expected it by, you know, June 6th, June 15th when they ended that it would look like that. And he said, yeah, it did come along quickly. He doesn't try to put expectations on, alright, by this date we need to be here because every receiver is different.


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[Assistant] DJ Moore had eight quarterbacks throwing him the ball in Carolina. I think he knows a thing or two about adjusting to different cadences, having to run the right route depth, based on how a quarterback likes to make a throw in certain plays. He's a really


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[Assistant] Seasoned vet in every sense of the word. Six years in doing this. A lot of different quarterbacks. And now, it's good for both parties. It's win-win. He gets a quarterback he knows is going to be his quarterback.


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[Assistant] The entire season and fields get somebody who knows is capable of making the plays, winning the 50-50 ball.


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[Assistant] Stretching the field vertically that he didn't have in his receiving core last year.


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[Assistant] They still have a ways to go. Ryan Poles was very transparent about that. I remember the day we had our free agency press conference when all the guys came in and he talked about signings, he said,


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[Assistant] Given like how many resources they have now, what they can utilize next year. Remember they have that extra first round pick that is very valuable currency for next year. They've got the extra second round pick in 2025.


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[Assistant] They're doing this slow, deliberate, but I think a really smart way to rebuild. I mean, you look at how other teams, especially the Minnesota Vikings team I used to be really close with because I covered them,


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[Assistant] I, I go that direction with like my like win-loss prediction and thinking, okay, the floor should be seven wins because


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[Assistant] Seven, yeaah, seven wins, and like, I would say like the max. Like, I think they're an eight-win team.


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[Assistant] I get the question because it's like you still want, I mean, they have to show improvement because if they have like a four or five win season, it's like, man, there's probably questions with the quarterback that you're not.


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[Assistant] You're probably, I wouldn't say punting on Justin Fields, but it's man, you haven't had the sort of jump that you expected from him. Although the caveat there is that they have that extra first round pick, so maybe they're in play for a Caleb Williams or a Drake May, who knows.


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[Assistant] Like when I look at their schedule, I think, you know, opening up against, this is the first time, like,


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[Assistant] Like you look at the rest of their schedule, like Tampa Bay, like they feel like they're kind of headed, I mean, they're in a rebuild right now.


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[Assistant] Put the fear of God in you if you're a defensive coordinator. I don't know. I mean, Denver, how are they going to look with Russell Wilson now in year two, but also with Sean Payton. But then you have some other games. I'm not saying anything's a gimme, but


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[Assistant] Carolina's a team that's still, that's, you know, with a brand new quarterback that's trying to push forward and they were, you know, one game shy of making the playoffs. But what do they look like this year? You have Cleveland in there, you have an, like Arizona and Atlanta should be the ones that if you're like betting on this, like, okay, go ahead and like pick the Bears on that. But I go through the schedule and I think I see a minimum of seven wins here.


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[Assistant] But realistically when I'm picking, I'm like, I would probably say eight and nine and I think eight and nine is a safe territory for this team to be in just given they're still building towards this. It's not at all a finished product as evidenced by, you know, the, the, the,


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[Assistant] How does field perform this year? Now that he's not learning a brand new offense and trying to, you know, get it down pat, they've added around him in a lot of different ways. That backfield competition is going to be really intriguing to watch because of the Roshan Johnson.


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[Assistant] Was, you know, even going back to last year where you didn't know if he's gonna stay. It's not like, it's like, all right, Herbert's here, like he's next in line, but they have all these pieces around fields that I think.


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[Assistant] If all goes according to plan, you're gonna see this offense take a pretty significant step. Now will it be a step that like leads them to win the division? I don't think so, but I think staying


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[Assistant] I'm sorry I just take a look at like the AFC and what the quarterbacks look like over there.


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[Assistant] I could see it if they make that big jump because there is a lot that goes into.


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[Assistant] That from a defensive side too. Remember, like he was a defensive coordinator in Indianapolis and they got run out of the building in several games, you know, last season. Like it's been, they won three games in 2022 and I actually have this stat here that I wanted to pull up because


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[Assistant] It's an important role, uh, how they utilize Tremaine Edmonds and uh, TJ Edwards, like,


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[Assistant] You kind of got two for the price of Rokhan. That's how I looked at that because they did not want to make him the highest paid off ball linebacker, but they still spent a lot in free agency at the position, so.


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[Assistant] You know, the off-ball linebacker, the three technique and then corners, those are the most important positions like in this defense.


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[Assistant] They still have like, you know, some holes up front with the pass rush because they really struggle, like last in sacks, last in pressuring, uh, you know, pressure percentage on quarterbacks. It's, it's a, it's, it's a struggle, but.


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[Assistant] This defense has to take a next step because that was, there were like games at the end of the year, it was just putrid to watch and it's somebody who


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[Assistant] I'm doing phenomenal, Katie. Thank you so much for having me, and you know it's the offseason.


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[Assistant] It's interesting because in his tenure, they were the second highest scoring offense in the NFL behind only Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs from 2019 to 2022. So it's not like the offense is broken, it's more of


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he, he was talking about at the end of minicamp. Oh, so fun. He was mentioning how...


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[Assistant] It's called the Texas Coast Offense because Mike McCarthy's roots, West Coast offense, as Aaron Rodgers would talk about in Green Bay, point and shoot. Rodgers calls it the most beautiful offense in football. But what they want to do in Dallas is tighten things up with Prescott and specifically his footwork. The biggest thing they're working on with him is his drop backs, timing his throws with his foundational movements in the pocket. Something that Schottenheimer, friend of the program, mentioned was something he really had to drill down with Brett


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[Assistant] Yeah, so Schottenheimer said Storytime, uh, was shoddy. Brett Favre, uh, when he coached him with the New York Jets, uh, Brett loved to squeeze the football in there. He said the biggest thing is just making sure with the timing of the throws that the, the chances and opportunities are right for Dak to make the throws. And I think Brandon Cooks will be


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[Assistant] Very key as well in reducing what you see there as the worst interception rate in football, uh, last season.


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[Assistant] With the offenses, it could get predictable in some third down situations. They were really successful. They were a top five conversion offense in third downs. But a lot of people love to show the curl routes, specifically the 49ers playoff game.


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[Assistant] Was, uh, there was an interception on a curl route in which he tried to hit Michael Gallup. It was tipped, interception, same deal on a shorter route with CD Lamb.


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[Assistant] And, and so I think what you have there is different route combinations and a lot of McCarthy's system in Green Bay was predicated on receivers winning their routes and a variety of different routes. So I think.


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[Assistant] Just a little diversification of the different types of plays you're gonna run there, and then also an even bigger emphasis, not just on running the ball, Brinson, which you mentioned.


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[Assistant] pass protection with their running back. Schottenheimer hit on that two, three times when I last spoke with him at many camps. So involving running backs a little bit more in the blocking game to help deck have a little bit more time to throw.


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[Assistant] I think they're done if Ezekieliet's asking price, whatever it is.


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[Assistant] Doesn't go down. Because Jerry and Stephen both talked about at the Senior Bowl in February, we love Zeke.


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[Assistant] And this and that. But Tony Pollard, as you see there, Zeke was last in yards per touch last season. Tony Pollard was first. And Zeke had 16 more carries than Tony last year. So they've made it clear Tony is the lead back. Lead back is the phrase Mike McCarthy has used over and over this offseason. But I think...


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[Assistant] They're done unless Zeke decides to take back up running back money, which could be difficult for him because he was the highest paid running back on his $90 million contract the last few seasons.


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[Assistant] Katie, I would hammer Tony Pollard in your fantasy drafts, because not only with the rushing, but the receiving.


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[Assistant] He's really shifty, really elusive, has great hands out of the backfield. One game that just immediately comes to mind is the Minnesota Vikings game in which they won 40-3 last year. Pollard had, I think, multiple touchdowns of 50-60 yards. He had a 57-yard


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[Assistant] Faster, he's ramped up his training. It's more aggressive than he's ever been before. So he's very much training as if he's gonna be the


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be between him and Malik Davis, an undrafted running back who's been on the team the last couple of years.


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[Assistant] I think that's more lip service. I think Mike McCarthy, he's an old school football coach. So he's going to say that, but I don't, what that really means in my opinion is get ahead of the sticks on first down. And that might not necessarily be by running. Maybe that's a dump down to Tony Pollard. Or now that Brandon Cooks is there,


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[Assistant] Under six feet. His best spot is on the outside.


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[Assistant] Which I think brings a lot of balance to the Cowboys offense. So I think the Cooks edition in terms of


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[Assistant] Allowing CD to play where he likes to play and then also being


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[Assistant] A great resource for guys like Michael Gallup, who to your point, Brinson, they invested a ton of money in five years, about 62 and a half million.


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[Assistant] Shadi, uh, our friend of the program to bring him up one more time. He, uh, mentioned the biggest part of the Cook's investment in his eyes has been what he's done with Tolbert. He said Tolbert's basically been attached to Cook's hip all throughout minicamp. And so they're expecting to see a nice little jump from him and maybe the wide receiver three, four spot along with Gallup.


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[Assistant] I think the Gilmore edition isn't necessarily about picks because Trayvon Diggs, when he led the league in picks a couple years ago, he also led the league in receiving yards allowed. So, you know, a really boomer bust kind of corner. I think the biggest.


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[Assistant] Area that digs is going to grow from having Stefan Gilmore next to him is just his fundamentals and being able to.


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[Assistant] Be a much better man coverage defender. The Cowboys were a top three zone defense last year in terms of pass rating allowed.


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[Assistant] Into a more cohesive unit as a man coverage defense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a great point. I think the Tyron Smith one is really valid. He had a neck injury that caused him to miss a lot of time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think Zach Martin, he's about as sturdy as it gets and physically standing by him at his locker after minicamp, whatever. He looks the same. I don't really have much concern about him, but I think...


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[Assistant] The real concern is if a Tyron Smith injury happens, they would kick Tyler Smith out to left tackle. And that's where he played a little bit when Tyron was coming back from his neck injury. But to your point, the next guys behind them, the death just isn't there like it was in years past. I think you're right. If everybody's healthy, it's great.


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[Assistant] But if Tyron Smith has an injury, I don't think it's an L.A. Rams injury catastrophe where there's absolutely nothing there.


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[Assistant] It's not great, the depth, but if everyone stays healthy, I think they're still top 5 units.


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[Assistant] I think, uh, you should expect a lot of the 1990s, cause the Cowboys are currently on a run of 12 consecutive playoff appearances without a conference title game, which is the longest such streak in league history. So a lot, a lot of 90s.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's Washington, Detroit, the Browns, you know, the drag, the model franchise. Yeah, right.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think there's gonna be a lot of that. You know, Jerry Jones is in the Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] On the back of the 90's championships, but also


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[Assistant] What he's done for the league, growing the game. So I think he's mastered the ability to make what comes out of his mouth. Entertainment, only owner who does post-game press conferences in the same way that a head coach does. So I think you're going to see a lot of, uh, jerryisms, which are his long-winded metaphors that after you hear him, you go, hmm, does that really make sense?


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[Assistant] He said that! He said that! Yes! Oh, he's, he's had, he likes insects. I've heard a couple bees ones that are like, are you sure?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and, and, you know, it's clearly, you're on the train. He just smiles and laughs and counts his cash. And I, and I think that's going to be exactly what you see in the documentary. He's, he's a marketing guru, marketing genius. And, uh, for those who don't like the Cowboys.


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[Assistant] I think they'll be, uh, they'll find the same reasons to be annoyed, but if you're a Cowboys fan, I think you'll eat it up.


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[Assistant] Of course, Jalen Carter, who drafted this year in the top 10. So I think there's going to be a little bit.


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[Assistant] And I think the Cowboys are a much better roster than they were last year. As long as everyone stays healthy offensively, I think the Cowboys could be really, really special. I think defensively they've been top five each last three years.


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[Assistant] Dan Quinn is phenomenal, and, uh, I really think that the Cowboys, it's their division to lose, even though the odds would say otherwise. I like the juice on Dallas.


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[Assistant] I think Dak's always gone that far. Troy Aikman actually in an interview in the last couple of weeks really complimented Dak Prescott and took a shot at Tony Romo by saying Dak's really been the only quarterback post himself.


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[Assistant] To publicly say the Super Bowl is the standard for the Cowboys.


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[Assistant] This is what the Cowboys should be doing competing for Super Bowls. And I think they'll be right there in the mix. I mean, they've been just a couple of bad bounces away each the last two post seasons against San Francisco, but I think they're right there. I truly do.


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[Assistant] I like the over on the touchdown passes. The last healthy season Dak had, 2021, he set the franchise single season record for touchdowns with 37. So I feel pretty good about him eclipsing 26. The yards, not


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[Assistant] Mike McCarthy's point or even just the shorter passing game, the limit risk. So I don't necessarily know if that equates to over 4,000 yards, but I definitely see the touchdowns figure being very appetizing for potential bettors.


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[Assistant] My hair is, my hair is looking pretty choice right now. I think I might not cut it for a while. You shouldn't. I mean, you're like a chia pet at this point. Just let it grow baby.


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[Assistant] I mean, it'd have to be a Super Bowl rematch, right? Like that's the one of the more intriguing ones. Uhm, I am curious though, like,


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[Assistant] You kind of have a bunch in the AFC. I'm not sure which one I want to pick from, but maybe I'll start off with Cincinnati versus the Chiefs. Like that's just like a growing rivalry where maybe we're talking about and looking at that as like a Brady versus Manning when we look back one day on all of it. Uh, so that's another one that I think besides the obvious of the Super Bowl rematch,


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[Assistant] I'm looking forward to as well. I'm not so sure what's going to happen with the Bills this year. I'm kind of curious to see if they maybe hit their ceiling. I mean, it's still be fun to watch Josh Allen. He's must see TV, but I think as it compares to like where the Chiefs are or the Eagles are in that discussion, then even the Bengals just talking about the AFC.


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[Assistant] No, not when it comes to, I mean, I would take pretty much the divisional matchups in the AFC East throughout the season over maybe other, you know, AFC South matchups to the Jacksonville Jaguars. No disrespect to the Jaguars. I am curious to see what step they take this year, but I'm sorry, what did you call it?


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[Assistant] Some people call it jaguars, if you will, but some people call it jaguars.


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[Assistant] Anyway, the point is, I think there's more intriguing matchups throughout the AFC East, with Rogers now being a part of it. Is Buffalo still the best team in the division? Miami continually adding speed and just kind of curious if Tua can stay healthy, what that looks like.


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[Assistant] Not that this was really a question or a topic of conversation at this point. What happens if the Patriots end up dead last in that division? I mean, at some point, do...


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[Assistant] Boston sports fans get frustrated or think like, all right, Tom's gone now, things haven't worked out so well. What are we thinking? Or is it just gonna, are they gonna blame Mac Jones for this and move on? I mean, it just, it's gonna be really interesting to see how that division plays out. Uh, more so than I think almost any other in the NFL right now.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying, there's no, I mean, you'd have to look at other organizations like, for example, Jimmy Haslam, who at one point had...


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[Assistant] The, you know, it was turn and burn, like every year, then it was like every other year. He's had Kevin Stefanski there for a while.


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[Assistant] He's locked into a Deshaun Watson contract. If things don't work out, who are they going to blame? I mean, they're not getting rid of Deshaun Watson given his contract. He's already made that commitment. He hasn't made the same commitment to Kevin Stefanski. So the Browns are one that I think, depending on how things start off, you'd have to say like they're probably going to be frustrated if they don't start seeing


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[Assistant] The fruit of the Deshaun Watson signing and all that's come with that. Uhm, that would be one of the first to come to mind.


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[Assistant] It's a soft landing for, if there was ever to be a departure, it'd be a soft landing. Like he's, he's the greatest coach of all time. He probably gets to say when he wants to call it.


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[Assistant] Okay, I was just a boss, I didn't hear one Patriots fan say this.


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[Assistant] It's no disrespect by the way, I would be the first person to call an Arizona Cardinals game if a network gave me the opportunity. So I'll just start there.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know that there's a lot of excitement for where that team is at at this point. You've heard players this offseason say, hey, I want to get out of here, right? Uhm, it's kind of, I'll be kind of curious to see what happens throughout the course of this offseason before if they just kind of look to rebuild.


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[Assistant] I was going to list off another team that I'm really intrigued to see how well it works out and that's Baltimore Ravens.


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[Assistant] Well, yeah, and I think Zay Flowers has the same type of route running ability and all that. He walks a minute out of cuts, he watches breaks. He's got the ability to beat that. Uh, Aguilar's there now too. It's really gonna look different, I think than it has in the past. I don't know if they're just gonna hang their hat.


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[Assistant] On Lamar running the football kind of ground and pound with a bigger offensive line. I think there's going to be some creativity involved in the passing game. So that's the team that I'm really intrigued by. I'm glad the drama is over and he got his contract and he got paid and I cannot wait to see.


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[Assistant] If they will continue to, you know, still stay at top of the AC North there with Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] No, that's not the point. Like, how many years were removed was Brett Farr from his MVP season versus Rodgers? And by the way, it wasn't like that last season-


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[Assistant] First off, let me defend Breach by saying I was right there with them in regards to my intrigue about the Denver Broncos and thinking they could be a wild card playoff team, so.


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[Assistant] I was dead wrong about that last year. And so be it. You know, it ended up being what I think some would describe as a disaster. I think Will Brinson's used those words before. Uh, but new year, new Denver Broncos team. I'm like Breachman. I'm really excited to see what they will be. I think the other team that I'm excited to see is what happens


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[Assistant] In the NFC North, I mean, I know the Detroit Lions last time I checked were the betting favorite to win it. I think you're sleeping on Minnesota somehow, but I mean, think about it. If their defense really either the Lions or the Vikings is any better than last year, it's going to be really, really competitive to see how that whole thing plays out. Um, but for so many years, we kind of just, I mean, Pete Prisco in particular would just say, Hey,


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[Assistant] And then, then, then once Tom left New England, then it was, all right, it's the Packers vs. the Chiefs every year. Packers vs. the Chiefs, the two best quarterbacks. That's how it's gonna be. They're gonna be scored over a triple. Every single year he's done it.


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[Assistant] Alright? At mile high. And those, those, the truck nuts are just, they're hitting you on the way.


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[Assistant] It goes back to the NFC North. I think that's one of the most next to the NFC East, at least in the NFC, the most interesting division.


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[Assistant] Roger, Roger isn't there anymore. So that's the 82 wins you could get when you could basically chalk him up as two losses during Roger's tenure there. I mean, didn't he buy real estate there on Soldier Field is what he said or something like that?


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[Assistant] So maybe you're sitting there at 2 and 4 now, and you split with, you know, home games, maybe you find your way to 4 and 2, who knows? Whoa, that's, uh, that's harsh.


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[Assistant] Danced around a lot of issues. So, uh, going to the previous NFL quarterback Andrew Luck in this case. Uh, so we should be very specific about this headline, but, um, I find this, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] I would, I would say this, this is odd to me, it's like peak after the draft before OTA's minicamp stuff really gets started that you start to see a story like this create headlines and the reason being is


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[Assistant] Okay, let's just play out this hypothetical that the commanders were trying to get ahold of Andrew Locke to gauge his interest. For starters, unless they like reached out to him directly, uhm, and then they maybe went to like a third party, which let's just play it out like this.


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[Assistant] So someone reaches out to, you know, someone who happens to know Andrew Luck as well. Hey, what's, what's Andrew up to? Oh, you know, he's with his family doing this on other different ventures. Hey, is he, so is he done playing or like, what do you want to come back? Like we kind of need a quarterback like that. That would make some sense.


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[Assistant] Like, that's not tampering. And, and just because that person knows and maybe they reached out and they're like, oh, I wonder if Andrew's, you know, actually done or all that. Uh, it's gonna be really hard to prove that. And even if they could prove that there was tampering involved from the Washington commanders,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't really get the point because if the Colts won him, he's under contract with them.


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[Assistant] He would have to come back to Jim Earthsy and the Colts to either play or, you know, be able to work something out when he gets traded into the team that he would want to go play for if he didn't want to play for the Colts. So the whole thing's a bit bizarre. I think there's like, this is being blown completely out of proportion.


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[Assistant] And I'm not sure if this is like the Colts like hoping for some compensatory picks, kind of like we saw between the Cardinals and the Eagles like that second day of the draft. They're just like, Oh, by the way, uh, there's a tampering and we just swap picks. We're good.


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[Assistant] I'm like, what are you doing? Is that what Indianapolis is trying to do here? Just because someone talked to someone, they heard, they heard it from the grapevine.


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[Assistant] So like, hey, I'm just gonna retire at, what did you retire on? 30 years old, I believe?


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[Assistant] I mean, it probably wouldn't be a good thing and they may have to make some tough decisions. I think the tougher decision is do you just let then Anthony Richardson sit for a year and then Andrew Luck comes back even though he's taken three years off and he's...


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[Assistant] He was on a path, I think, to be potentially a Hall of Famer. No doubt about it.


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[Assistant] That now you look at like, well, you're kind of already moving on in that respect, but again, this is peak.


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[Assistant] So now we're talking about this, where the Colts won't be able to prove it, and even if the commanders were, from everything I've read about what the, uh, what the report was, I'm like...


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[Assistant] Alright, how are you gonna prove that? Like, everyone claims tampering all the time, and no one actually is collusion, tampering. We hear this all the time in the NFL, whether it's with the NFLPA or NFL, and it's very rarely ever actually proven. Only in the case, like, I guess you'd say of...


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[Assistant] He lost 50 pounds. I mean, he wasn't that big. Like, so what's his walking around weight right now?


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[Assistant] Dude, you're on one today. I don't know. I mean, 50 pounds seems like a lot, like that number's inflated one way or another. Cause again, he didn't seem like the type of person that needed to hack on weight to get to 240. It seemed like that was closer to probably his walking around weight, but I don't know.


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[Assistant] Well first off, let's just step back for a second. The NFL doesn't go up against anything with the NBA. The NFL dominates the NBA.


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[Assistant] This move, this move, and I know next year Christmas falls on a Tuesday, so people are thinking, hey, it's probably a one and done thing.


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[Assistant] I don't know, uh, cause I think everyone knows that people are home from Christmas break, they're probably out.


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[Assistant] Spending time doing whatever, taking some time off on Christmas. They know they're gonna be, you know, in their homes, able to watch this. And the NFL is looking to capitalize. It's their territory. And honestly, like,


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[Assistant] If I was the NBA, and I know I'm not the first person to say this, I think Charles Barkley said this to some others, they should shift and adjust their season. A lot of people feel like they want to make opening day, Christmas day for the NBA season, they're going to move it that much. I would argue this, move it to the week after the Super Bowl. Don't even try, what's the point?


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[Assistant] Behind the NFL is college football and then you're talking about the NBA. Like you're not even talking about the NBA in comparison to college football won't even rank. At least as far as ratings go.


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[Assistant] So why even, why even try to compete? If everything's being driven by TV ratings.


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[Assistant] Then go ahead and start with footballs out of the way. Or, or you can continue to allow the NFL to have the draft, which will outrage you or implement these spring leagues that maybe the NFL at some point wants to become successful enough. They're like, Hey, by the way,


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[Assistant] Uh, these spring league games now are going to rate just as good as a regular season basketball game because, you know, you guys couldn't seem to figure out where to put, you know, their time spent for the league.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I really do feel like this could be here to stay, especially in the future as we go to other weekdays as Christmas shifts. Uhm, I do feel like there's two ways of looking at this though.


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[Assistant] There's football fans like ourselves who love it. Like I love it. I love football. I can't wait to watch it. I'm sure we're going to have some prime, you know, big, I should say big time matchups that are going to shift to what the end of the season looks like once we get into the playoffs. That's the fun part of all this, even like working on Christmas day, covering football is awesome. Bless to do it. There's also the other side of this, which is there's going to be some little timmies out there.


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[Assistant] Roger Goodell ruined my Christmas. Like that's where this could possibly go. Like I definitely see the upside of this, especially stomping out the NBA from having like any part of the conversation. But I feel bad for little Timmy and Sally because Ted tacked through too many parlays on the triple header and ruined Christmas.


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[Assistant] Here's the one issue with that before Breach goes, you do have domes like Minnesota where you're not going to get snow at least inside for the game. However, if you stop talking, well,


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[Assistant] You could have some really bad ass effects for some of the dome teams where you do have a little bit of that look to it. It's not like CGI. It's legit. Like I've been there. Fake snow. It's fake snow. It's awesome. They do it before every game, at least I guess later in the season maybe. I don't know if they do it in summertime.


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[Assistant] Like the beginning, that would be a little odd. But still, it's badass, it's one of the cooler like intros to a team coming into the stadium.


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[Assistant] Everyone has the t-shirt that Barstool made. Forget that. They needed to create one with Goodell with a green face now and a little Grinch cap or a little Santa Claus hat. That would, that would be the look right now.


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[Assistant] Although I don't think the NBA is willing to concede that, even though, I mean, for a lot of guys who grow up, play basketball, you have your normal season, which tends to be around the end of fall into the winter time. But if you play AAU, you play like all summer, you know, you're used to traveling, doing all that. So it would be that foreign.


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[Assistant] They should really look at it as more of a partnership by the way. Because you're gonna get so many NFL players like we see right now in the offseason are going to like playoff games, Micah Parsons, the Philadelphia Jersey, it became a little bit of a topic of conversation. He's a Dallas guy, why is he wearing a divisional rival?


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[Assistant] You could see so many more players at games and like, butting up in time to like, hang around one another. I just, I think there's more there to it too. So, I wish the NBA would contemplate it.


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[Assistant] Think about this though. Like, I look at the two biggest changes that have taken place in sports and it's all been motivated by TV. Okay? Because that right now is still the lifeblood of every professional sport.


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[Assistant] Call it football. One of the biggest changes they recently made, they adopted the rule that they have in the NFL, you don't have a stopped clock at a game first down.


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[Assistant] Which is going to what? Expedite games. You look at what the MLB did. Obviously putting in a pitch clock. Games are like what a half an hour faster than they used to be. And everyone loves it. Who's at home watching it. It keeps kind of glued to your seat. Yes, it's not quite as long, but you're still able to find it more entertaining in that way.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think if these decisions are made, really with the thought of TV in the back of their minds, especially as you look at a lot of the regional sports networks, right, uh, ballets, et cetera, who I'm sure are like, hey, how do we make this more profitable? Okay, maybe we make these things where they're able to watch them consume them in two hours and 15 minutes or so. Whatever the case is.


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[Assistant] Potentially change the fortune and the future of this league moving forward and climb back into gaining the market share that we've lost.


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[Assistant] And I think moving their season back would make a lot of sense. And obviously it's not going to be impacted, uh, by whether it's, you know, an indoor sport and all that. So like none of you throw that out the window. So it makes all the sense in the world. I wish they would contemplate it.


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[Assistant] I do, just back to the comments you're making, Brinson, I'm with you. Look, I played basketball, I love basketball, I still to this day will go out and play a pick-up game. It's to me, it's one of the best sports.


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[Assistant] When the NFL and college football season are on, it's going to dominate. And I think there's a bigger majority of people who would probably watch basketball if it wasn't in competition with football. And unfortunately that's where it's at right now.


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[Assistant] It just didn't need to be, the clip didn't, wasn't, I'm with you, Wilson. This is a non, it's a, it's a nothing burger and it's being blown up. It's interesting to note that Jalen Ramsey was the first guy to blow it up. One fake story. Well, that's wrong. There's a, there's a, there is an article, um, in,


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[Assistant] The Columbus Dispatch, entitled Buckeye Star Quarterback CJ Stroud to work Manning Pass Academy in 2022.


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[Assistant] So he was gonna go. That's not a fake, it's not a fake story. Now he's like, oh, he should have been working with his teammates. Like, okay, do whatever you want. You could say that if you want, but you should be working with your teammates. You can't criticize someone for working with the teammates. You can criticize somebody for committing to do something and to be a counselor at a camp.


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[Assistant] With CJ Stroud, interesting to note, uh, the same agent, by the way, has been on Ryan Clark's podcast in the past. And Ryan Clark also hyped up his interview with CJ Stroud before the season. So, uh, like a little bit of connections here that I think are kind of interesting. And then three, Jalen Ramsey added,


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[Assistant] God bless though at the end of his tweet, which the dude is from Nashville. God bless doesn't mean.


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[Assistant] Oh, God bless you. What it means is F you. That's what it means in the


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[Assistant] I'm going to push back entirely against this idea, and I'm not saying that you guys won't be right. You could be. I think it's entirely possible that CJ Stroud falls out, not just the top five, but even the top 10.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't, I don't, first of all, I don't see why it's just not possible. That's, that seems a little... Why is it possible? Let's start there. Well, I mean, what pick did Justin Fields get?


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[Assistant] Let's say Houston does not go a quarterback at two, which I think is possible. And in fact, I think is almost likely. And I don't care if we disagree with that. I'm just saying that I believe that it is extremely and the betting market stuff is great.


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[Assistant] But uhm, you know, looking at it from a, uh, looking at it from a, uhm, uh, you know, is this what's going to happen perspective? They're not, betting markets in the NFL draft are not predictive. They are reactive to news and to rumors and to things that happen. So be a little careful and cautious when citing them, I think.


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[Assistant] If, if Arizona can't find a trade partner out of three, which again is possible, uh, you get to four and then to the Colts like CJ Stroud, maybe they like will love us better.


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[Assistant] Uh, in an NFC that's very watered down that they have a current quarterback in either, whether it's a Gino Eugene, Cyril Smith, the third or.


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[Assistant] Will Leveson, Will Leveson, Will Leveson, Athea Richardson, don't make any sense for, for Josh Richard, I mean for Josh or Daniel. So the closest he came was like a Tim Tebow. And then, you know, you got Chicago at nine who has fields, they traded out of the one spot. If they wanted a quarterback, they would have stood, stood Pat and then Philly at 10, who's not taking a quarterback. Now, Harry Roseman could trade if somebody starts dropping.


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[Assistant] I think people are looking at these teams and saying they don't have a good quarterback situation and they're evaluating it from the outside. For instance, Washington at 16, everybody's like, yeah, I don't draft a quarterback. They like Sam Howell.


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[Assistant] But again, in a very watered down NFC, it would not be, I think the only two teams in the top 10 that are guaranteed to take a quarterback are the Panthers and the Colts. Because Indiana, and it's strictly because of ownership matters.


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[Assistant] Here's, here's the other thing too that I think people are sort of sleeping on a little bit is that, um, you have in this draft, a really, really limited number of.


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[Assistant] Uh, players who are, so like I did the, I would have looked at the breakdown and no, I mean, apologies Ryan, obviously you do, you and Trapp's and everybody do great work on cbsports.com, but I looked at.


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[Assistant] The NFL.com grading system, just cause they have, it's been the same since 2014. I just wanted to compare. Um, and looking at it, it's like.


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[Assistant] When sort of the fallout for COVID and players getting COVID years and having more exposure, being able to get into the draft because they play more football. But like you look at the 6.7 grade or higher, 6.7 is year one starter as in somebody who will come in and start right away. And anybody above that is somebody that, you know, like is probably a first round.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, maybe like a first, second round draft prospect, right?


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[Assistant] 15, 11, 8, 8 the last two years, guys who were 6.7 or higher. And I just think there's something to do with the way that things happen with COVID when guys could bail early and then guys got an extra year for whatever reason that has created more watered down draft classes the last two years. And, um,


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[Assistant] As a result, I think it's possible that teams will be less inclined to trade out of a top 10 spot because if you move down to 11, if you move down to 13 or if you move down, yes, you're getting assets, but you are also putting yourself out of the range of one of those upper tier or upper echelon prospects.


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[Assistant] Well, the two things that stood out to me, one, he said that, you know, he really wants his son to be able to remember watching him play football. And I mean, like, I, I, I, I'm not.


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[Assistant] I've got an, I, you know, I don't know how old his son is. I didn't, I think like five maybe or something like that. Like, I mean, yeah, I got a nine year old. Um, and I think that what makes me a little sad, like hurts my heart a little bit. It's the idea that like, he's like, I want my son to remember me playing football. It's like, I mean, don't you think like.


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[Assistant] That's like the concern with me. It's like, it's like, like, like if something bad happens to you out there, like you might not remember. And we've just seen the toll that concussions can take on players. I know that the player safety is, is, is enhanced tremendously from when it was even like 10, 11, 12 years ago. God, remember the.


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[Assistant] Freaking James Harrison hit on Colt McCoy like it was yesterday, but Brandy Merriwether on Todd Heath. I mean, some of these hits that were going around back and when we started this working at CBS guys were crazy. But it's, you know, it's just, it's just tough to hear that part. And I think too, like, you know, it's a business.


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[Assistant] Probably didn't do yourself, do yourself any favors with the Dolphins in the contract when you said that you were thinking about retiring after this season.


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[Assistant] And you know, you're asking the team to potentially this, this off season or maybe next, they picked up his fifth year option, of course, uh, to commit to a long-term deal. And you said you considered retirement. It's hard to imagine how you can even get to a contract, work out a contract with Tua knowing that.


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[Assistant] You know, if he gets two concussions this year, like will he even play next season? Uhm, should he even play next season? How do you build up the guarantees, et cetera, et cetera? So I think obviously very juxtapositional concerns from my part there, but those are sort of the two big things that stood out to me.


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[Assistant] Yes, Katie Vox, Kelly Vox. By the way, Wilson, I just want to say, if you like, this is your first time.


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[Assistant] Uh, Katie's seeing Ryan Wilson. This, this version of Ryan Wilson. This is your first time seeing this version of Ryan Wilson. It is...


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[Assistant] Uh, I, uh, can I say bastard on here? I don't know. I guess we'll find out. Um, I, uh, I would, I think I would, I would never pay the $8 for the month for the blue check mark because it's like it completely. Thank you, Billy. Now. Now I'm just like Billy and now I'm going to unfollow you. Um, the, you know, like you pay $8 a month and it's like,


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[Assistant] It's like you hover over the blue check mark. It says this person is verified because they paid $8 a month. Like I don't understand. That didn't. Okay, I can't. I can't fathom paying $9 a month for a Twitter blue check mark. Now CBS wants to do the right thing and take its high level journalist and talent and put give us gold check marks and associate us with CBS.


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[Assistant] I would absolutely take one of those. Will they do the right thing?


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[Assistant] The Seahawks, look, I understand it's a different, it's a little bit of a different situation where you draft for Russell Wilson. He was a smash hit in the third round. Uh, there's a no brainer to give him a contract extension. No brainer to give a second contract extension. Uh, and then you traded him.


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[Assistant] And so we're, we're really looking at just, you know, you're in disorder, you're saying, but like last year they went into the draft.


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[Assistant] And everybody's like, they're going to go into the season with Gino Smith and Drew Locke? That's insanity. They can't do that. They have to draft a quarterback and they didn't because they believed.


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[Assistant] In Gino Smith. And I just think if you look at the Seahawks draft history, man, and you think about John Schneider and Pete Carroll, like they're not afraid to just completely buck convention and to go in a different direction than anyone expects them to. Like they had, you know, the draft, Kenneth Walker, like, I don't think it's outrageous to me that the two guys at Seattle is going to take it five.


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[Assistant] And I know this would be crazy. I think Jalen Carter is the guy that would love to get a five. Uh, they don't care. They're not, they're not a program that.


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[Assistant] And I'm curious, Wilson, do you think, because if you're Seattle and you're at five.


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[Assistant] I think you can look at this draft board and say, we know Carolina is taking a quarterback. I mean, if Carolina didn't take a quarterback, it would be the worst trade in the history of professional sports to give up all of that to go to one to get like, like Will Anderson. It would be hilarious, but it would be the worst trade in the history of professional sports. And then you have to believe that Indianapolis is likely to take


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[Assistant] Like, do you think that they would take, they're definitely going to go with, see, to me, they're looking at it and saying, all right, two quarterbacks are going to go. That means we're getting Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, or Jalen Carter. And that's just, that's, we just sit at five and we're taking one of those three guys.


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[Assistant] So I gotta, I gotta rogue when I'm going to throw it here. I think that, uh, first of all, Jalen Carter's one.


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[Assistant] If we're talking about just strictly on field potential and all field production. And I think you do throw Tyree Wilson and Will Anderson there. I was actually looking for the odds, but it's not exactly an easy to find fashion. If someone out there can figure out how to make it better, that would be great.


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[Assistant] I was trying to find a defensive player to see what the odds were. So like, I mean, it was just minus 180 and Tyree Wilson's plus 140. I'm not crapping on your ball prediction here, I just think like, I think Wilson over Anderson.


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[Assistant] Is a little bit more of like a, a consensus possibility than maybe people are giving it credit for. And it's, it's really more of like the type of pass rusher he is. Uhm, the one thing with Anderson, of course, you know, he's had coming into the season, clean prospect, all that went to Bama, of course has the pedigree. Uhm, you have the, I think, a little bit of list frank stuff with, with Wilson, which is certainly concerning.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be surprised at all if, if either Tyree Wilson or Jalen Carter went ahead of them, went ahead of Anderson just because of what teams might value, um, and, and perceive as the upside versus, you know, Anderson's got some of that tape out there that's not, you know, there's even some questionable stuff against some better teams. Like what?


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[Assistant] I mean, Wright for the Tennessee kid did a pretty good job against him.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. I'm just saying like, you know, I mean, like it's if you're nitpicking a guy Anderson still in the top five. So John Carter won.


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[Assistant] Tyree Wilson in, um, will Anderson tie T2, however you want to do it. And then, uh, for, I think you throw, I love Devin Weatherspoon, but that dude is, that dude is a,


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[Assistant] Like a dog. He is coming in fast. He is laying the wood. He plays really angry. I know he's not. He's shorter and he's not really fast, uh, which are certainly concerns, but, um, just the way he plays, he feels like.


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[Assistant] If he's there for Detroit at six, it would be pretty surprising if he didn't go. And then, uh, here's my, here's my wild card that I'll throw in there because I love watching him play. And I think he's got massive upside.


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[Assistant] No, not, not Drake Thomas and not a kicker. Uh, I do love Drake Thomas and I do hate kickers. Bill Rivers. Drew Sanders.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think I do, but I don't know offhand.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And I think if you wanted to say, if you wanted to throw, you know, uh, Sanders out and put in Christian Gonzalez, I wouldn't be particular.


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[Assistant] I mean Lamar would immediately become the best quarterback of the NFC.


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[Assistant] Probably needs to be a sign and trade that features tree Lance where the Ravens would, um,


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[Assistant] And the way that this would have to work is Lamar would have to come in and sign his franchise tag and then sign a contract.


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[Assistant] Signs a new contract that he's negotiated with the 49ers with the Ravens is designed to like allow the Ravens to get out of it with minimal salary cap implications. And then you swap Lamar for Trey Lance and a future in a first pick a first round pick. The problem is Lamar doesn't have an agent, which makes doing all of that math really, really, really complicated because you're at like you're asking Lamar to deal with that himself. And Lamar not only has to like,


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[Assistant] The deal with the actual contract, he doesn't essentially trust the Ravens enough to do all of that.


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[Assistant] And, and, and go, you know, if the trade fell through, he'd still have the contracts. I guess there's, you know, that's, that's fine. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just, it's just a very convoluted thing. Doesn't feel like that's the thing that's going to happen. I think this stuff about Trey Lance being


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[Assistant] Floated for trade rumors is the 49ers trying to motivate Trey Lance to get his bleep together and get in, uh, and be in the best possible position to come in and play really well. It's just too convoluted to make that Lamar Jackson trade happen. I think it's more likely that they would pull off a trade maybe for Aaron Rodgers than Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] I'm not treating you like that. I'm saying that you were not, you were, you know, the other way that I don't know if you were starting to say this breach, but you could do it where you sign Lamar Jackson to an offer sheet. He accepts it. You give to his first round picks up. And if you do it really quickly.


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[Assistant] And then you say, Hey, you know, uh, you would have John Lynch talking to Eric DeCosta. You say, look, we're going to do this offer sheet. If Lamar accepts, we'll send you the two first round picks, but we want to send you.


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[Assistant] It makes everything harder because even if you want to get it done before the draft, just with the exclusive, uh, you know, offer, not exclusive offer sheet, it's going to be difficult to like,


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[Assistant] If you do the opposite, you give up two first jump picks. So you have to figure out a way to trade him separately. You cannot include him. You cannot do it.


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[Assistant] Okay, let me, let me be, I'm not crazy, but let me be a little more succinct in my approach here. I don't think this is happening and I think it's all fluff from the 49ers. How about that?


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[Assistant] MCs of the junior, the Washington Nationals Junior Nats Club.


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[Assistant] I don't know what it means. I think you may do player interviews, but he signed a contract and a seven year old Teddy probably not watching this podcast because.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think Drake Thomas isn't a rated, uh, but he and Thayer Thomas probably underrated to his brother. Um, both guys from NC state, their wide receiver, Drake, a linebacker, uh, just like lunch pail dudes, if they could stay healthy and get a chance in the right system, both will succeed as Wilson pointed out, uh, either, I don't know if it was unpacked pride or where, but, um,


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[Assistant] Maybe just on, on HQ and it got, it got aggregated. Uh, I'm gonna actually, I'm gonna go against the grain. And I'm gonna take somebody who's a bigger name, comes from a school that you know I don't prefer.


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[Assistant] Like, like he played slot 99.9% of the time at Carolina. Um, just elite in terms of his ability to run routes and get open underneath. You know, we see all the time in the modern NFL that you have.


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[Assistant] Three wide receivers out there, you're running, nobody, you have bases, essentially bases now, a three wide receiver set and bases like nickel for defenses. So, um, I don't, the idea that's like, well, we can't take them in the first round.


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[Assistant] He's just a slot receiver. We'll only use him 70% of the time plus kickoff returns and punt returns. Like you can take that guy in the first round, particularly in this draft when you have all of these players that I think Wilson, correct me if I'm wrong, but like it's there's four quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] There's a couple guys that maybe are blue chip guys, but for the most part...


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[Assistant] You take the four quarterbacks, the top guys out and you can throw a hidden, hidden hooker in there. Excuse me. And you can then have.


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[Assistant] Like anybody from one to 40 could kind of be mixed into that. You know, obviously you're taking well, Anderson over the 40th prospect or, or Tyree Wilson or whoever. Um, but like it is a really, really.


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[Assistant] Deep and not top heavy draft class. And so I think, especially when you look at the wide receivers, a lot of whom, Quentin Johnson, the only one who's over a six to.


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[Assistant] Like you're going to get a bunch of slot type guys. I think Josh Downs is underrated relative to this draft class and relative to where he is being mocked. I think he goes in the first round pretty easily actually.


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[Assistant] Are you talking about Chris Dodd? Yea, he's fantastic. I think he could, uh, end up getting drafted the sixth or seventh round thanks to his Lou Grozo award winning skill set. Although not the biggest leg in the world. Fun fact.


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[Assistant] My dad, his dad is a lawyer too, and I think he and my dad were like, so my dad, my dad was actually like, onto Chris Dunn before I was. He's like, that's Chris Dunn, kid. He's gonna be great! I was like, okay, dad.


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[Assistant] You got me on the fun part. Yeah. Yeah. Bob Brinton's fun. It's a fact fact.


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[Assistant] Yesterday, like out of nowhere, kind of dropping them on Brady Quinn, that surprised me.


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[Assistant] So I mean, I think, I think the irony of the, the Raiders possibly being out on Will Levis as, as Ryan Wilson has just reported on the pick six podcast is that, and not with the first pick podcast, but here on the pick six podcast.


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[Assistant] With the first take podcast is that like honestly if I were.


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[Assistant] I, in my, in my troll mock draft, or the worst mock draft of all time, I had the Raiders taking Anthony Richardson.


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[Assistant] And in, in hindsight, what I should have done is had it was that it was like an homage to Al Davis because you know, freak athlete tests like crazy. And if somebody pointed out, it's like, I think Brady Quinn pointed out, he's like, you should have done it where the Raiders take the slowest guy at the combine, like, like, like, like troll Al Davis as well. But I think it is crazy that like if the Raiders are out on Will Levis.


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[Assistant] I mean that, Will Evans is an Al Davis type of guy too. Big cannon arm, not necessarily accurate underneath. Can just bomb the deep ball, uh, you know, very just physical and.


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[Assistant] I mean, I do think though, Wilson, when you sort of think about what the Raiders have and currently Jimmy Garoppolo quarterback, like, you know, you could say, Oh, well, it makes sense that you get Will Levinson. He sits behind GBG for a year and yet at the same time, like,


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[Assistant] Will Levison, Jimmy G could not be more polar opposites. Jimmy G is accurate, a point guard.


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[Assistant] Good underneath, good in the intermediate stuff can hit the deep ball. If given the time and you know, given the separation by the wide receiver, whereas Will Levis is like gonna stretch the field for you and make the receiver get underneath it and just cannot really hit anything underneath. So it's like, I think it kind of makes sense what you're saying that the Raiders don't feel like a fit for Will Levis in that Josh McDaniel system.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, that's, that's what I meant is like, he's not, I mean, obviously anybody, if you can throw deep, you can throw underneath and like intermediate. He's just not accurate and currently accurate. Like he's a homeless man. It's Josh Allen, right?


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[Assistant] But if you put mayonnaise in coffee, don't get me wrong, that's repulsive. But it's at least like you would stir it up and it would become the consistency of like a creamer or something like that. You're eating the banana peel, bro. Like you better watch the living crap out of that thing.


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[Assistant] I think the, the two spots that are value here when we look at the Raiders and we can move on to the next team after that. But like, um, to me, defensive lineman and edge rusher one, you're getting like any defensive tackles that come into play. Plus of course the edge rushers. And I think, dude, if you look at Chandler Jones's contract,


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[Assistant] This guy's gone after, after this coming year. I mean, he was really disappointing in his first season. You can argue he was gone last year.


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[Assistant] Right, you could argue here. They would, I think they would move on from him after, like, I think they would move on from him right now, but I believe, and I'm bringing up Spotrack right now.


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[Assistant] Spo track, but I'm pretty sure that they can't cut them right now without having suffering some like massive dead cap hit. And then, but after this coming season, so yeah, they can't, if they cut it right now, they'd be, they'd lose $6 million in cap space. If you cut them next season, you save $12.2 million in cap space. Like they're clearly going to move on from Chandler Jones. And so it makes sense to go ahead and, Oh God, this is so gross.


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[Assistant] That's, that's repulsive. What are we doing? Get this out of here. This is a visual medium, right? Moving along. Anyway, I think the edge, I think defensive lineman edge holds the value there. Plus offensive lineman could make some sense. That feels like a deep fake situation.


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[Assistant] That and the Giants are 25, right? Yep. 25. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just was making sure. Um, wide receivers, obviously the biggest, most obvious need. I think though that, you know, when you look at their wide receiver group,


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[Assistant] You have Wondale Robinson, who they took in the second round last year. And I think they really, really like, I mean, this is a kid that it was the second pick or third pick technically, because they had came on to bed and, um, have a Neil with the first round, the third pick overall of this Joe Shane, uh, Brian double regime. And if he's going to be their slot guy, he's coming off.


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[Assistant] For sure. I'm just saying, like, I sorta wonder how...