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[Assistant] Uh, and then second to that where the elk are bedding, they're in those thick north facing slopes. They aren't able to see out very well onto those skylines and they usually aren't watching the skylines during the middle of the day. So we are hitting the ridge systems, usually the main ridges that have some finger ridges and you know, little drainages and draws coming off of them.


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[Assistant] And we're calling down into each of those draws from the main ridge and we're just tying one ridge into the next and hitting a saddle and going, going to the next one. So definitely not as concerned about being exposed visually there. And I think the primary concern for us in doing that is making sure the wind is good so that we aren't walking


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[Assistant] Paying attention to what the wind's doing and moving to a location that allows us to take advantage of that location based on what the wind's doing.


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[Assistant] Uh, some of the desert states and things, you have to be a little bit more careful about being on a true ridge. And at that point you are skylined, especially first thing in the morning or in the evening, you know, when the elk are active and when they're out, if you're on a ridge.


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[Assistant] And you're walking along that ridge bugling, they're going to locate and pinpoint where you are. They're going to look up there and see you skylined there and it's, it's not going to work out. So if I am hunting that more open country.


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[Assistant] I'm making sure I'm stopping where I have cover. There have been a lot of times that we've called from an open hillside and an elk responds 100 yards away and we're stuck. We have nowhere to go and set up. We're caught out in the open.


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[Assistant] And so we're more selective about where we do stop and call. So if there is an elk a hundred yards away, we have cover to take advantage and set up right there as well as not getting picked off from a thousand yards away as an elk looks up on the hill and is trying to visually locate where that


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[Assistant] How you do things but you don't wanna be skyline you don't wanna be smell then you wanna move as quietly as you can.


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[Assistant] We just did a Muay Thai Bones that was really epic, like we really, really deep dove into that one. I think we were breaking records of some kind of...


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[Assistant] Coming back, because there's more to say, we just went so much on that topic, and there are more things, not on that, but more topics to talk about.


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[Assistant] Uh, maintenance phase, I wait for all the time. What's maintenance phase?


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[Assistant] When is the next one coming? Well, it's because I listen to podcasts when I'm


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[Assistant] There's a part that I love in this movie where uhm, it's kinda like chaos theory about like what causes something, if there are coincidences, things like this. And my favorite part of the movie is looking at this one piece


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[Assistant] Uh, this on like a post-it note as like, this is something that happened, and he takes it and he's like, this piece has all these other causes that come from this other thing, and then this is caused by all of these things, and so instead of the like,


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[Assistant] Introduce it or set it up even is just that uhm,


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[Assistant] The shell of it before we dive in is this idea that as a woman in a male space, and even if you have other women at your gym, gyms are male spaces.


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[Assistant] Everywhere in the world. Almost every kind of gym. Uhm, I don't know, like a...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I'm broadening it because I'm saying that I think all women experience this.


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[Assistant] Which is that in order to operate within that space with as few consequences and interruptions and uhm,


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[Assistant] Sounds at first like it's not really a huge deal, but your sexuality is not just sex, your sexuality is your sense of humor, your sexuality is your sense of confidence, empowerment.


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[Assistant] Really painful and people outside that experience are like, well, that's just what you do. That's the appropriate thing to do because they don't.


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[Assistant] Suffer that kind of consequence, and I think that even in spaces that are mostly cis, hetero, this kind of thing where they're like, we are accepting of queer identities, uh, homosexuality, things like this, as long as they castrate their sexuality, then it's like, now it's okay, kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I think for, for women in these male spaces and for me in the gym space, especially in a culture that's not mine,


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[Assistant] Uh, that is more conservative in a lot of ways than the culture I come from. That castration was completely necessary in order to kind of like, ride a certain line and function within it. But the constant, the personal consequences and the way that it kind of just like, uhm, has straight jacketed me and had a lot of, uh,


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[Assistant] Negative impact on my confidence, uh, the kind of person I am.


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[Assistant] It's very big, and the thing is that like, you can kind of keep sexual...


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[Assistant] Innuendo, whatever, at a distance. You can never completely get rid of it. You can kind of keep it at a certain distance, but like,


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[Assistant] Not being able to clinch with the boys unless the boys are young enough that their sexuality is not really an issue. I'm very lucky in that my body type is one that I can kind of pass more or less as a male body type. I'm masculine in my muscles, I'm small, I don't have big breasts, I'm not curvy.


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[Assistant] Curvy women have a hard time not being sexualized in any culture.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so someone exactly, exactly like me but with large breasts might not get the clenching that I get just because it creates a like automatic sexualization of the body.


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[Assistant] That's about, that's about not slipping into the assumed gender roles, which, this is another thing that like,


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[Assistant] Again, sexuality is not just sex, but even your gender has these elements to it, and this has a lot to do with passing, which kind of...


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[Assistant] Brings my friend Angie in, who uhm, I just saw for the first time in two years yesterday. But like,


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[Assistant] I can kind of, I can kind of pass as a fighter in the gym for, for stretches, even though I'm not treated the same way as the Thai boys.


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[Assistant] I can be kind of like, because I work really hard, I outwork the tie boys, I actually became a little bit of a like, if Sylvie can do it, the boys.


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[Assistant] There are elements to my personality that are totally my personality, but they're also gendered. They're like flagged as gendered. So for me, uh, my way of showing care for someone or for showing that I like, uh, am invested in something is to take care of things. So uhm,


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[Assistant] Castrating, rather than like, I can do a little flirting, is no you can't, like you cannot, because you, it just gets amplified, and I said this to you many, many years ago, which is that,


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[Assistant] If you let yourself slip, that's like, you're totally like, I'm not flirting, I don't make sexual jokes, I whatever, I totally grew up with all boys, I have all brothers, they're friends, I totally made sexual jokes with my brother's friends, like this is part of how I am.


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[Assistant] That in your own culture, maybe like among your own friends, whatever, you can kind of like get by with, but you can't.


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[Assistant] This is another thing I have to bring up is that I'm talking about my experience and what I've had to


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[Assistant] Plan, the consequences of that is why I can't, it's not like I can never do that, I can never do that without the consequences being too much for what I'm trying to do.


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[Assistant] Yes. And it's, it's, like I said before, it's not only the sexuality, because women also have this gendered element, which is, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, the gym owner's wife cleaning the gym or whatever. And you don't want to be put into the maternal role either, which happens to a lot of Western women who maybe are in relationships with, uhm, Thai trainers or whatever at the gym. They totally get pushed into this kind of like, maternal role. And it's the same thing where like, once you do the thing,


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[Assistant] Like once you become helpful in this way, which is not bad in any way, but it gets pushed and amplified that way, and it's...


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[Assistant] It's a, it's like falling out of passing in a certain way, which is, I think of, uh, Angie, my friend Angie, she was the first trans fighter to present as trans while fighting at Lumpini Stadium. Uhm, she's incredible.


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[Assistant] Angie, we trained alongside each other. Like, we were, we were contemporary in the gym. Uhm, I actually was at her first fight at Lumpini, just...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the thing is, if I do something that's masculine, it doesn't call into question that I'm a woman.


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[Assistant] Because Angie's trans, if she does something that's masculine, they're kinda like, well why is she trans if she's doing this masculine thing? She has like a huge motorbike, like a big motorcycle, which is a man thing, and so they're like...


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[Assistant] If I were a boy, that's a young low rung on the ladder move.


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[Assistant] As a woman, it's like, oh great, now you're doing the woman things, go do more woman things. So the ways in which Angie and I were trying to pass in opposite directions was really interesting.


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[Assistant] And it demonstrated itself in such a strong way when she finally went and was fighting at Lumpini, which is that she was actually allowed to fight at Lumpini at that time. Women were not allowed to fight there, uhm, because Thailand still sees her as truly a man.


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[Assistant] And so, she was going through this experience that was actually really difficult for her because they were very wrong with her in many ways and she was saying


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[Assistant] Backstage, they were harassing her and touching her and sexualizing her because women are sexual kind of thing.


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[Assistant] And she's like, she said to me privately, she said they should be treating me like a woman. And I said if they were treating me like a woman, you wouldn't be fighting here.


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[Assistant] But this is the insane thing that like gender has to be this or that and it's like so divided that like me as a cis woman I can look at Linda Hamilton in T2 and be like fucking Sarah Connor like I've never seen a woman look like that and I love her.


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[Assistant] And that's okay because it's like kind of not, it's not gonna, it's not gonna make my facade fall. But Angie,


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[Assistant] Although they would very teasingly sexualize and like flirt with her.


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[Assistant] And she would don this like flirting back thing that didn't feel super happy or authentic. It was like she was playing the role that


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[Assistant] It's fair, this is another element of it that's so infuriating and frustrating and difficult to navigate, is that for the most, most of the time I am the only woman at the gym. Most of the time. Like there have been times when other women come, but


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[Assistant] In Chiang Mai and in Patia, most of the time I'm the only female training at the gym.


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[Assistant] So I have this like, yeah, you're kind of part of the group, but actually not. Like you still kind of are just outside of it. I'm excluded from certain things. I'm kind of handled slightly different ways in a way that I totally just want them to face all the differences and want me to fit in.


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[Assistant] It is so tricky when another woman comes into the gym. Because regardless of us having literally nothing in common with each other, we're not remotely the same size, our interests aren't the same, our levels aren't the same.


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[Assistant] Maybe we speak the same language. This kind of thing. There's an automatic Sylvie go, go work with this woman.


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[Assistant] Kind of makes sense, like, in America, if you were like, in all, all New York gym and you had one Thai guy and another Asian came in, you'd be like, go hang out with the Asian guy. It's just this weird, like, lazy brain. These two things go together.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but there are a couple of things going on. Some things are like, that makes sense and that's good. And some of them are like, that shouldn't be the way it is. So one that's like, that makes sense and that's good.


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[Assistant] Is that me working with another woman helps buffer this sexual issue. By not having one of the Thai boys come teach her, it takes the like complications of sexualizing out.


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[Assistant] That when, uh, my crew would tell me Sylvie go teach her how to clinch, uhm,


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[Assistant] I'm actually being put in a higher position. Becoming a crew, becoming a teacher, is a status symbol. And he does not tell the boys to go teach one of the Western guys. They say just go clinch. Like they become labor. Like just go clinch with him.


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[Assistant] It's okay. But the complicated part in that these are some good things that are happening is that there's simultaneously this bad thing that happens which is that


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[Assistant] Regardless of me having nothing in common with this person who just came in, I actually get-


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[Assistant] It's you go deal with this person, you guys are together, we have women in the gym, women do this kind of thing. And if the woman is really different from me, if it's one of these women who uhm, are happy to have their sexuality in the space, I get kind of pushed into that pocket with her.


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[Assistant] I'm astounded by how different


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[Assistant] Such small elements have an impact on something. So because I'm the only woman there, I kind of stand alone and have this thing going on all the time. And other women are compared to me who aren't.


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[Assistant] The minute another woman comes, it's that we power suddenly comes.


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[Assistant] Suddenly the like hard working female thing is incredible. When we had the Moikau Summit at the gym, we would train after regular training, but there were at the highest point 18 women coming in and training with legends.


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[Assistant] And we were working so hard, and we would just make...


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[Assistant] We completely emasculated the men that were training before us in the regular session with how hard we were working. And I saw on my Thai trainer's faces how they'd come in like bum-rung. My trainer's father was just watching how tough these women were and was just like, huh.


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[Assistant] My cultural female identity is like, I have...


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[Assistant] Late 80s. She was here early. She was 17 when she first came.


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[Assistant] Watching me being taken seriously because she had never been taken seriously.


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[Assistant] I don't have a relationship with the gym where it's like, I just go and do my training and I leave. Like you actually have relationships with the people that you train with and the people who are training you and so these like, I can't be a whole person around these people who actually mean an incredible lot to me.


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[Assistant] Well, there's even just to take it out of a foreign culture in case people think that there's some kind of difference between Thai and anything else.


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[Assistant] Connor McGregor in his ridiculous suits and his millionaire walk and his pimping, whatever, calling someone a pimp is completely the male sexual dominance prowess that we get out of being a fighter. That's why a man looks at a male fighter and is like, I wanna be that.


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[Assistant] Well, it's star power too. It's like a Hollywood leading man who has charisma versus one who's just kind of like, you put him here, you put him there, it's like totally different.


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[Assistant] Kevin watches my sparring on video. I film my sparring and then Kevin watches it after.


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[Assistant] Kevin said that he sees my, my like authentic self with the like intact sexuality when I walk off of some really big move.


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[Assistant] And I'm not like sashaying or like whatever some stereotypical female sexuality being sexy kind of thing is. That's not what we're talking about when we're talking about sexuality. It's the like prowess energy.


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[Assistant] Not direct effort towards that one thing is that by solving all these peripheral things, it solidifies that element.


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[Assistant] Well, okay, this is an element of this that taps into something else you wanna talk about, which is habitus.


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[Assistant] Right. So some super mundane examples of this would be like,


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[Assistant] Which I'm not aware of, but that's the habitus of that space. So, uhm, for example, like, schools that use uniforms, the minute you put on your uniform, you kind of assume this, like, now I'm in school mode, or, like, your work uniform, or how it, like, crushes your soul to put your, uh, you know, what are they called, the buttons and stuff, your flair.


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[Assistant] So, that's, that's habitus. The reason, the reason I'm bringing this up is that


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[Assistant] When you're shaped by things like this, so, so I've spent so much time in my gym


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[Assistant] Becoming shaped by that space, that anytime I enter that space, I take on that shape, whether I have other intentions or not.


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[Assistant] So there are examples of like, uh,


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[Assistant] Young queer kids move to New York and can become who they are because they've completely transplanted themselves from the habitus of where they grew up, where they have all of these like reinforcing pressures to be constrained in how they are.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if I have all of these pressures, for example, one of the reasons I love Karchuk is that it's so outside of, uh, the kind of pressures I feel in Muay Thai fighting and scoring that I'm like, I don't have those pressures here and I fight very differently even though I don't necessarily need to fight any differently there. Uhm, so,


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[Assistant] One of the reasons that people might, uh, become very different when they like go from their gym in Kentucky to their gym in


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[Assistant] Udon Tani or something is that they've completely moved to a different habitus. You're not who you, you literally aren't who you were.


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[Assistant] Yes, and you will then be shaped by the new place over time, which is one of the reasons why, like, you can't, unless you're on some, like, two-year schedule, you can't just, like, keep.


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[Assistant] I can't even call it an advantage, but she has this kind of like channel to go through, which is that she's Tom.


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[Assistant] So what that means, it's short for tomboy, it means, uhm, a...


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[Assistant] Take on a D girlfriend, which is like a femme lesbian girlfriend.


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[Assistant] But because Ji Ja, who grew up famous, like she's been famous since she was very little.


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[Assistant] Uh, kind of broadcasting her sexuality as a Tom on her own social media is way more...


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[Assistant] Way less restrictive for the world she lives in than if she were Vivi doing the like hot girl, uh, wanna be a singer. Yes.


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[Assistant] And then she'd put this one on to be like a sophisticated.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's the Buddha and the poor man is what it's called. And so there's this...


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[Assistant] There's this poor man, he has nothing, he's very poor, and uh, every night the food that he's kind of left out is less when he wakes up in the morning and so one night he like stays up to look and there's a mouse.


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[Assistant] That's stealing the crumbs of his food overnight and he gets really mad and he tells the mouse, like, I have nothing, why are you stealing from me? And the mouse says, it is your...


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[Assistant] He decides he's gonna go see the Buddha and ask him, why is this my karma?


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[Assistant] So like all great parables, he has to go through this process of making his way to the Buddha. And on his way there, he encounters three characters who help him along the way. So, uh, the first one is a man whose daughter is mute, I believe.


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[Assistant] And uhm, they let him stay there overnight, and they say, oh, you're on your way to see the Buddha, please ask him why our daughter is mute. Like, why do we have this karma? And he's like, okay.


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[Assistant] So, then he goes to the next one, it's like a wizard, and he has to cross some kind of


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[Assistant] He comes upon a turtle, and the turtle says, uhm, ask the Buddha why I'm not a dragon like my father. Like, why am I a turtle and not a dragon? So he's like, alright.


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[Assistant] So the poor man makes it to the Buddha, and there's a lot of people there to see the Buddha, and so he's only allowed three questions. Each people, each person is only allowed three questions, and


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[Assistant] And he explains that why the turtle is not a dragon, he says the Buddha said, once you let go of your shell, you will become the dragon. Just let go of your shell.


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[Assistant] The turtle is like, well shit, that's easy and just leaves the shell and becomes a dragon and inside the shell are a bunch of pearls and so the poor man like gets, gets benefited all the way back.


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[Assistant] So we've been very impacted by this story, and so we think of me as the turtle trying to become the dragon, which is like my path towards Yodmoy. And I don't have to ask, why have I not become the dragon? Like, I know that I'm holding onto my shell.


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[Assistant] All the time. And I see it, and I feel it, and I fucking clutch to it, and there are times that I start to become the dragon, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, back to the shell.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so that's the turtle and the dragon. Shorthand, we say the turtle and the dragon.


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[Assistant] Balance, this whole myth of a personality, like we string dots together and are like, that's my personality, but nothing is ingrained in us, like, at all.


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[Assistant] Like, when I'm with my brothers, when I'm with my family, Sylvie's very extroverted. Like, when I have my little shell in my shell, it's party time.


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[Assistant] Well, in my safe space, like with my family or people who are close to me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but this is, this is a thing that I think is important to say because people are maybe coming to this from a...


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[Assistant] Broad, like not on the same field that we're talking about. There may be people looking at this who don't have the like...


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[Assistant] This does not mean there's something wrong with the turtle and something good about the dragon. It's a transformation that is part of my arc, it's just part of the path. And...


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[Assistant] This is not a like, if you're closed down, wanna be safe. You need to be safe for lots of reasons. I'm personally going through therapy with dealing with my traumas and things like this. It's like, I need to be safe. This is a real thing.


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[Assistant] A dragon is not unshelled, it has scales, like it has its own armor. Yes. But it's not...


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[Assistant] If I think of like, Chmup Pet, Diesel Noir, Kara Hot, Yodkin Pond, these are some of the most...


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[Assistant] Soft, kind, with everyone, with the exception of Diesel Noy, very soft spoken.


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[Assistant] Men. Very like, humble. Diesel Noi is crazy, like.


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[Assistant] Polite. Deferent. He's also very...


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[Assistant] But they are fucking dragons, like they just turn on their thing. I remember I was making fun of Karahat at some point. I was teasing him because he had flowers sent to him and he was like all chuffed about it and then he found out it was from a guy who like lived on the street and he was really upset that it wasn't from like some hot girl trying to...


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[Assistant] Flirt with him or something. Uhm, but I was asking him about...


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[Assistant] His experience in the gym when he was training. Because he's so confident, like, when Karahat's doing Karahat, he's so confident, but he's so quiet and shy otherwise.


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[Assistant] And he was like, in the ring when I was clinching and sparring, I was this, like, chest up, just totally like, I can wreck anyone. And he's like, then I come out of the ring, I go to the shower, I don't look at anybody, I'm totally just like, in my shower, do my thing, come back out, eat, I'm fine, and then if I have to do something in the ring again, I like,


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[Assistant] Which is that he's not doing some kind of like Jekyll Hyde alter ego. It's a hundred percent him. Diesel Noi is a hundred percent him in both of his completely opposite spectrum capacities.


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[Assistant] It, it's, it's not like state of turtle, state of dragon. State of turtle, state of dragon. It's this kind of like fluid movement between them, which is, I don't even know how you do that.


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[Assistant] With my thing, is I'm not like sometimes a dragon, sometimes a turtle. I can't.


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[Assistant] Be a dragon right now, yet. Like, I'm always, like, holding that shell.


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[Assistant] It seems like a metafor- woah. Like a metamorphosis story. It seems like a turtle becomes a dragon, but if you really pay attention to what that story is,


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[Assistant] What he does is lets go of the shell. And then he already is a dragon. Like you're a dragon the whole time. It's totally Dorothy and her red ruby slippers. You have the way to go home the entire time. It's not like if you do these things you will transform into a dragon. It's you're a dragon in a shell. Let go of the shell.


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[Assistant] It's like if you have a raft to cross the river, and then you don't have to cross the river anymore, you cross the river, don't carry the raft up the mountain. Like, it doesn't serve a purpose anymore.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think also women who are attractive, uhm, and kind of treated in the world as attractive women, you get


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[Assistant] Shit put on you, like the, the habitus of being an attractive woman is that you're kind of like...


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[Assistant] Power is taken from you even though your attractiveness is a power to itself, but you don't have full control over it. So this being able to...


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[Assistant] Hold your own and have aggression, like to direct your aggression. Being a beautiful woman makes you fucking angry in a lot of like-


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[Assistant] And to not just be put in this like, go be quiet and looked at.


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[Assistant] Over here is like you're still being looked at, but you have power in it.


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[Assistant] Like you're an established trail runner, come do it on sand dunes. Much harder.


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[Assistant] And, uh, in Thai, you use the loanword jim. You say yim.


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[Assistant] And it is the functional structure of, uh,


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[Assistant] Investing in a fighter or maybe like 12 and then one or two will kind of like get really good and you're basically, uh, it is a self-propelling, uh,


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[Assistant] Structure of, of making fighters and those fighters then support the gym rather than a commercial structure which is you pay for training and it helps the gym run.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it was, it was kind of confusing. We experienced this, uh, when we first came to Chiang Mai, and we're at Lana, and Lana has been a gem that has Westerners coming for...


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[Assistant] This confusion among the Thai trainers that are like, this person's coming in training, their body is good, and they don't want to fight.


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[Assistant] It's, it made no sense that a kai moi is like, we produce fighters. A gym doesn't have to promote, produce fighters. It may, but it doesn't have to. And there was still, even at that point with the, with the trainers being like, I don't understand why you're doing this. It's like.


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[Assistant] Which actually had two different names. The gym had a Lana Muay Thai, and then the kai muay was kiat busaba.


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[Assistant] Yes, and you learn to lasso because you actually have to catch a fucking like, calf that's gone off.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well there's like, mostly gyms now.


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[Assistant] Japanese tourists come and open cattle ranch tourism spots.


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[Assistant] It's also not only about the outcome of the fight, but it's, uh, people who don't know how to watch Muay Thai or understand what's happening in a traditional scoring like the clashy three round fight because it's just...


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[Assistant] This is, this is also a weird thing, is that uhm, there is not a complete overlap of how a tourism gym and a kaimoi trains, like uhm,


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[Assistant] They're, they're not, they're not identical to each other. So there are trainers who have spent many, many years in a gym holding for tourists. And they can't come back to a kai moi and hold for, like, up and coming Thai fighter. They can't mold the way that they do if they were doing their kai moi stuff the way that they were raised.


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[Assistant] And if you like, ask a bunch of questions, they're like, why would I verbalize this? Just do it.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I think that the complicated thing is that, is that the,


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[Assistant] Yeah, this was something that when we first came to Petronirung seven years ago, the


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[Assistant] Chonburi, which is the province that we live in, the like official sport authority of Chonburi was going around and looking at kai moi.


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[Assistant] As opposed to the tourist gyms and in Chonburi only two.


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[Assistant] He didn't, he didn't exist when that happened, so.


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[Assistant] It was, uh, at the time, still Sidyeotong, which not anymore, and Petrengrin.


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[Assistant] Maybe I could figure out what that legal distinction is. It might have like tax situations or something like that.


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[Assistant] Which was reiterated in this, uh, I wrote a short article that went out in the newsletter about this big meeting that they had on Phuket. They're trying to like create Phuket as like a hub of Muay Thai, which under COVID is a...


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[Assistant] Perfect opportunity for this to happen because under the Phuket Sandbox, which is how people were able to come back into Thailand, Phuket has a lot of, uhm, uh, what are the words, uhm, permissions that the rest of Thailand doesn't have right now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they're basically, the, the PooKat gyms are getting together and trying to create like a, uhm, a board or a committee where they can kind of like work together, like a, like a co-op, co-committee, something like this.


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[Assistant] Which is interesting because the competition that kai mois have within each other, because they actually have contracted fighters, versus the competition that gyms have with each other, which is, don't take my trainers, don't take my clients, like paying customers.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Phuket is a, is a good example because it's mostly gyms. Uhm, to have Thailand becoming more and more and more these commercial gyms, the kind of competition they have with each other is different from the kind of competition they had with each other with, like,


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[Assistant] We want people coming to Phuket, rather than I want people coming to my gym.


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[Assistant] I mean you still want people coming to your gym, but you're working to get people to Phuket.


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[Assistant] Like it was laid out, not, not with descriptions, but they distinctly said Kaimoi and Jim as two separate things, which had come


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[Assistant] Two days after I was asking Kara had a question about where he was gonna go and I used the word kai moi to refer to a gym he was gonna go to and he corrected me and said it's a gym.


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[Assistant] Which was kind of the first time that I realized it was not interchangeable.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, when I first started contacting Legends for the Muay Thai library, I would say this word pset, which means special training. Like, will you give me special training?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was about the growing value of Western fighters.


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[Assistant] No, no, this is interesting. Well, let me, the reason I think this is interesting what you're talking about in the chicken or the egg kind of thing is that a kai moi would allow


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[Assistant] A bunch of westerners in your gym. You're like, yes, we can put them on these shows. Whereas you couldn't do anything with them on the kind of shows that you were used to putting your fighters on because it was so separate.


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[Assistant] Now, Thai fighters are on these kind of shows as well. They're of a different class than if you were like building Channel 7 or Omnoi or whatever fighters. But it's way more mixed within a single gym space now, which it wasn't before.


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[Assistant] And you're fighting in this way for the ultimate purpose of attracting more Muay Thai tourism to your gym.


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[Assistant] Example with Kevin the other day when we were talking about this, but.


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[Assistant] Could you explain what we mean when we say someone who doesn't know how to watch Muay Thai or whatever this thing is?


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[Assistant] I don't know how to watch American football. I don't understand the scoring. I don't know, like, what the strategies are in any way. Like, if they move the thing a couple of meters and people around me are like, ooh, this is exciting. I'm the starting of whatever. I'm like, I don't know why that's exciting. I don't know what's going on.


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[Assistant] To make football entertaining to someone who doesn't understand the strategy or scoring or what they're watching when they're watching football,


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[Assistant] This is, this is the thing though, and I'm just gonna interject this. This maybe isn't even part of the thing. I've gone to Rajadamnirn with people who don't understand Muay Thai a few times.


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[Assistant] And so I was miked telling him all of these different things, but so I was like explaining to him how it's about dominance, not aggression. When I went with my friend Robin, I was like, oh, this is interesting. Now it's round three, so this guy's gonna wanna try to like pull up where he's been kind of sandbagging.


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[Assistant] And the people in the seats around me, and these are like VIP western seats, these are not people who are like, I love Muay Thai, I'm gonna go watch it, these are people who are like, I'm in Thailand, I want the Muay Thai experience, they would all kind of like,


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[Assistant] What, you don't like soccer. When you watch soccer with me and I'm complaining about the passing.


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[Assistant] No, because we don't understand jiu-jitsu and we'd be like, ah, I understand what the strategy is, like, because of the commentating.


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[Assistant] In our last Muay Thai Bones, we talked about the growing value of Western fighters, which we just talked about again in terms of like, uh, before, it was just kind of like,


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[Assistant] People came and went or whatever. Gyms are starting to invest more in their Western fighters.


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[Assistant] Recognition tied in with this fighter and things like that and we talked about a particular case of a very well known gym and a fighter, a western fighter who went to a different gym and this owner was upset because the response was not that of the correct operations and protocol of a kai moi.


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[Assistant] Something that we thought about after we'd, uhm,


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[Assistant] Talked about that is that it came off very much in what we were talking about because we were talking about this change in, in, uh,


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[Assistant] It came off as though we were saying that this westerner was totally in the wrong and we felt like this was not actually


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[Assistant] And these, these places are like an estuary where you have salt water and fresh water coming into contact in one area and it's like this is very complicated because these things don't necessarily go together all the time.


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[Assistant] Which is that you are not a TIE fighter. And the...


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[Assistant] The realities of what the training and the gym are may not be supporting what you actually...


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[Assistant] Yeah, we, as, as Westerners, when we come here, even if we spend a great deal of time at one gym and we feel very loyal to and devoted to and all these things,


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[Assistant] We are not a Thai boy who from age 12 to 21 are in a gym being developed.


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[Assistant] A lot of us have much less time here, some people come one or two years, and if you get slotted into this kind of like, this is as far as you're gonna go,


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[Assistant] Of course you want to conduct yourself in the correct, most respective, respectful, uh, methods as you possibly can, given what you want and need out of your experience. You want to be very respectful, but sometimes those limitations, uhm, will compromise your ability to have the life cycle you want.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's, there's traditions and, uhm,


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[Assistant] Methods of doing things and they're not about the like, freedom of the fighter.


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[Assistant] Maybe this will work. It's like, if doing this wins you fights, you do this. Because there's gambling, there's money, there's all this stuff. There's no like, ah, see if you can develop this other thing. It's like, be consistent.


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[Assistant] That was like, basically, it's a Thai news source, and it was like,


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[Assistant] I can't, we, ugh, how do I say this? We don't know that this is lumpiny, we just highly, highly suspect this is lumpiny, but they're like,


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[Assistant] I cannot believe they're gonna sell tickets for 3,200 or 2,800 baht, like who could go see this? And the point is, not Thai people, like Thai people are not gonna be spending that money to get tickets, which means you're basically pricing out Thai audience.


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[Assistant] They had, they had talked about, uh, when, when Lumpini was still in the studio. It had not moved into the, uh, main arena again because of COVID. It was still up in the studio. Uh, Big Dang, who's in charge of Lumpini, was saying that people had to check their phones in.


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[Assistant] Of all genders. Makes sense because it's Fairtex. Fairtex has one fighter as their, like, this is their brand.


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[Assistant] Popularity success, reputation success, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, it's the same way that alcohol intoxicates you and therefore you're in this altered state that you can't, you're not responsible for what you do. A woman's sexual charm intoxicates you and you are no longer responsible for whatever your impulse is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the, the, there is a strong currency for Thai women to be sexy and pretty. There's a, they use the loan word pretty, which is someone whose job it is to be pretty, like a spokesmodel or something like this. And they kind of use this as like a doll that you can put in different scenarios. So like,


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[Assistant] Barbie is Barbie and then you put her in a nurse uniform and she's a nurse kind of thing is that there are Thai female fighters who are promoted as being sexy and beautiful.


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[Assistant] And their Muay Thai doesn't matter at all. It's like you put Barbie in a Muay Thai ring, and you're like, now she's a Muay Thai fighter, and she's promoted for her beauty. There's not a lot of these. No, there's not.


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[Assistant] Trying to use your sexuality within the context of Muay Thai, that's what gets, that's what you get. You don't get like a, and she's super hot, like.


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[Assistant] Do you know what it is? Or it's like a, I don't know why that bothers me so much.


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[Assistant] Is that because of MMA itself? And it's kind of like...


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[Assistant] Anyway. They had boxing at, what, Raja Damran? Before? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Patronage of the king being interested in western boxing was also building Muay Thai. Like he wasn't like boxing instead of Muay Thai. He was like boxing and Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Well, part of the new, new Lumpini is that it's becoming an event center rather than like...


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[Assistant] Well, it makes sense that that would be the case because what New New Lumpini is modeling itself after is the success of Channel 8.


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[Assistant] We like to use music as an example and we like to use rap as an example of like having flow and kind of actually saying something rather than just rhyming dog with dog kind of thing.


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[Assistant] This idea that you can meld the three round fights that are popular right now with the traditional five round fights of traditional Muay Thai without gambling or whatever it is that they're trying to do, you cannot actually have a concert where you have like run DMC


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[Assistant] And Kanye. Like, they don't, it's not the same audience that would watch those two.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I don't know that ties are actually fans of MMA. They love when Loma fights on UFC or Stamp fights on one or one of the other Fairtex male fighters. They enjoy that. But they enjoy it because it's ties on an international stage.


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[Assistant] Okay, I have a couple of things, I have a couple of things going on in my head right now.


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[Assistant] One is I'm remembering up in Chiang Mai when I went to fight at Loe Kro and the MMA cage had been left up from the night before because they just didn't take it down.


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[Assistant] And so I had to fight Muay Thai in an MMA cage simply because they couldn't take it off of the ring.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which I found very unpleasant in every sense, and this was eight years ago or something, like uhm,


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[Assistant] Association still, I felt that then, I feel that now kind of thing.


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[Assistant] I don't like this format for myself, I don't love watching it, I definitely don't like fighting it, but I will say that last night when we were watching, uhm,


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[Assistant] I was very surprised, I'm sorry I don't know her current fight name, but she was called Bocao before. She fights out of Tsutai. She's an incredibly experienced, uh, Thai fighter.


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[Assistant] She fought a three round fight with an arc like a five round fight. She just managed to make it like a story arc in the way that she fought.


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[Assistant] It was awesome and exciting, and yes, we were excited because we were cheering for her. Like, I don't know if I had never seen this girl before, I would have cared that much, but I thought it was beautiful that she brought that element into a three round fight rather than bringing the three round fight bashing into a five round fight or something. Yeah, but the only reason why she didn't.


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[Assistant] Uh, when you asked me, uh, you actually told me not to use this example before, so I don't know whether I can use it. But when you said, would I accept the monkey's claw of MMA comes with the possibility of female Muay Thai, like that's the package, do you accept that package? And I'm like, no.


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[Assistant] That what I was saying no to MMA for women to be there was Lumpini being a completely different place than it is now.


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[Assistant] So, women getting in and all these other changes coming at the same time, it's like...


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[Assistant] The importance of women in Lumpini is still incredible, but it's not my dream. It's not the dream I had. And I used this example and Kevin told me not to, but I'm gonna use it anyway. It's like- Don't do it, baby!


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[Assistant] It's like when you meet your favorite celebrity and they're like drunk and hit on you or something like that's not the experience I was hoping for and it kind of just like dims.


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[Assistant] And, and one is much better at promoting women as a like, we value you, you're a star up like this. So MMA's experience with women being legitimate stars of the sport could influence female Muay Thai fighters.


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[Assistant] When you have a big show that's like Pet Yandee or Giat Pet or whatever and they go to Buriram or they go to like down in the south and they bring in all their stars


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter, the reason people are excited about it is to gamble. Do you remember when we drove up to Chiang Mai with Diesel Noi and Car Hot, and there was a big Buriram fight happening, and they were just chittering the entire way up about Shado, Shado, or like what they're saying?


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[Assistant] Is that- I've fought in empty stadiums before because we've lived through a couple of coups here, but like, it's bizarre.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and there's like a dignity and self-control, and if you look at like the masculinity,


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is, it was not that long ago that America, in many states, MMA was illegal, it was seen as too bloody, it was too brutal, whatever the thing is. So this is not like a completely foreign concept to Western culture either, it's just we've been steeped in it for more years, that now people are like, ah, it's totally illegal.


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[Assistant] Because I'm a woman and I've lived through the time when me even mentioning women going under the bottom rope or not being able to touch the limpony ring and these like...


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[Assistant] Western white cultural saviors talking about how I'm so awful to even question that like you just have to wait for Thai culture to change and that this is a sacred spot and women don't belong in it and all this stuff.


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[Assistant] I see how I am projecting that to the next thing that I'm like, MMA does not belong in Lumpini, but Lumpini is no longer Lumpini.


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[Assistant] This is the thing, is that this was not that long ago. This was probably not even five years ago.


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[Assistant] Some promoter at Lumpini, this was at the same time that Nong Rose was being promoted at Rajadamnir.


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[Assistant] And they, they put him against Nong Rose as like a show fight. So that's bizarre in and of itself. But because of her popularity, Angie also had the, uh, ability to fight at Lumpini. So like there were some strange-


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[Assistant] This was not that long ago where like, some kind of, kind of, uh, spur of the moment,


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[Assistant] Uh, themes were happening in these like protected stadia. And around that same time, there was a promoter who put on a fight between two


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[Assistant] In Thai they're called Ngoc Leng. They're basically like gangster mobster type guys. But these two are just rich kids full of tattoos who like just are online and they have beef with each other online. They're basically like online celebrities. And a promoter put on a fight between the two of them in MMA gloves. It was only one round and it was for charity.


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[Assistant] But the stir around real kai moi, real fighters, real gyms that were like, I can't believe you're putting this on at Lumpini. Like, have a show fight, whatever you want, but not at Lumpini. Like, put it at some fucking other...


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[Assistant] I will say this, that the steadfast, if there's one thing that Lumpini is like for sure about, there are a lot of things changing right now, things are changing like every five days, different announcements, we're gonna add this, whatever, the one thing that's like for sure you can set your clock to is that they're not allowing gambling.


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[Assistant] There was something suggested a couple of months ago, which was that all the fights were gonna be day before weigh-in, which in Thailand is not a thing unless it's one of these entertainment three round fights.


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[Assistant] Right. So they were like, we're gonna do day before weigh-ins. And there was a huge outcry where people were like, you cannot do day before weigh-ins because it basically just lets bigger people take advantage of smaller people wholesale. And they backed down. Big Dang backed down. He said, if it's a five round fight,


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[Assistant] It has to be day of, if it's an entertainment three round fight you can do day before.


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[Assistant] That is a perfect example of gambling protecting Muay Thai as it is.


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[Assistant] If you get rid of gambling, who the fuck knows where...


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[Assistant] No, like uh, promotions that are like, I do not want a no gambling.


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[Assistant] Promotion, like they're not interested in going into the Lumpini no gambling situation or they don't like the three round fights or whatever the thing is. They're like pushing against these changes. Some of them are big enough that they can do it, but some of them aren't.


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[Assistant] They're, they're people who come to these, not kai moi, but gyms, and they're like, integrated, and they're, uh, you know, eating with the fighters and doing this whole thing, and they think that's the same experience John Wayne Parr had, and John Wayne Parr's experience doesn't exist anymore. Like, he was, what he experienced does not exist, and people who are doing it now are like, yeah, it's the same, like,


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[Assistant] Not the same. It's not even possible to be the same anymore. He's from a completely different time.


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[Assistant] It is the most extensive online content of Muay Thai. It will change history.


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[Assistant] I think it's good. I think that uhm, one, I love that we have like super long three hour, four hour podcast discussions. But I also know that they're not super consumable for people all the time at that length. They kind of break them up so having like a smaller


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[Assistant] We have lots of thoughts about stuff. So we talk about it and when we discuss Muay Thai, we discuss Muay Thai as it branches into all kinds of different things. These are how we talk about Muay Thai. So this is not a like, how do we talk about that?


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[Assistant] It's a very non-forum-y forum, which is nice. People are very thoughtful.


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[Assistant] That, uhm, got a bit of a response from people.


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[Assistant] And some people were like, I don't understand. And then they would give a number of, uh, one of the 15 that was unclear because we, they're short. They're not like super.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like tools of navigation for doing Muay Thai in Thailand long term.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, one, posture matters. Two, fight a ton.


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[Assistant] Three, stay clear of the politics and the powerful. Four, legends are libraries of wisdom.


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[Assistant] Six, train exhaustion so you can fight exhausted. Seven, knees kill fighters who need space. Eight, clinch is the hidden art. Nine, your style is your fate.


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[Assistant] 10. Every fighter has a breaking point. Find theirs, hide yours.


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[Assistant] Uh, work for hours for just the last two minutes of growth. 12. Don't try to be the best. Change the game. 13. Defense wins. 14. If you're good, fight up. 15. If you're thinking, it's already too late.


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[Assistant] Or why it gets tacked to the door as a rule rather than like just something that you learn along the way.


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[Assistant] There was also a like, in the quality not-


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's also to me personally something kind of incredible about when you fight a lot, uh,


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[Assistant] And in that group you're gonna be fighting world champions who are bigger than you, who have experience, but like you have these kind of like gem fighters within the kind of like ebb and flow of more average fighters or whatever the thing is.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying, it's not a like spark in, I have all of these like mediocre fights and then a spark of a good one. It's like, it's everything. Everything.


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[Assistant] This is a different Moitai Bones, this is a different conversation, but like, how does Sylvie deal with the always being outsized, like always?


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[Assistant] Well, let's get to this one because people had questions about this one. Okay. Stay clear of politics and powerful.


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[Assistant] I'm waiting for you to get to what you're talking about, because this is actually not true universally.


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[Assistant] Well, the thing is that you're making an argument for


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[Assistant] Not putting yourself on an assembly line that doesn't create.


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[Assistant] Which basically is saying, like, not only does that assembly line not produce what you wanna be, so don't get on that assembly line, but there is also this, like,


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[Assistant] Right now is actually an interesting time for female Muay Thai. Uhm, where you have, Channel 8 has two promotions that are really promoting their female fighters. In an amazing way. So this is like, this is powerful. Like, this is something that you're like, I totally wanna get on board with that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, or you can have something like, uhm,


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[Assistant] There isn't one like this right now, all these women come from different gyms, but if there was a gym that produced female fighters that got to fight on TV and got to have world opportunities.


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[Assistant] Well, even Fairtex now is getting female fighters that they can put on one, like they're kind of producing this thing that you're like...


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[Assistant] I do like what that assembly line is producing. Like I do want to get on that conveyor belt. But the thing about this is that when you push yourself in this power structure that produces one thing


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[Assistant] Recently, like not for a long time, but it's very recently producing this thing.


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[Assistant] You don't have power within the power structure. So if things...


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[Assistant] Go a different way, or the like, it's, you just...


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[Assistant] Maybe. But that's what the thing is. Now I'm calling you into talking.


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[Assistant] Financially stable on the edge of successful woman.


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[Assistant] That then a very rich, influential, powerful man becomes romantically interested in.


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[Assistant] Promote you, I'll do this, I'll do that. You're like, that sounds great.


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[Assistant] We're charting a map, like there's no, there's no map of where I'm trying to go currently.


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[Assistant] Well, the Karchuk promotion is a good example because they're stoked when I fight on their show. They're like, Sylvie's here, like it's, this is awesome for us. And I'm stoked to fight on the show because I love the show, I love Karchuk. So it's like everyone's happy and there's no like,


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[Assistant] I was at the media event the day before and the promoter was actually like


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[Assistant] Saying wonderful things about me and talking about me and my opponent and he mentioned that it was three rounds. So I found out it was three rounds at the media event by listening to what he was saying and I was like, what? Like record scratch? Like wait, what?


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[Assistant] Three rounds, like, I don't wanna do that. Uhm, but, yeaah, so it's like we're, we're mutually, uhm,


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[Assistant] Well, I bring Shine to the event because I'm a name.


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[Assistant] That people recognize, they like the way I fight, I'm a good addition to the card, I'm exciting, whatever, like, I bring that to them. And they bring to me this like, opportunity that is...


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[Assistant] Not super common, like not everyone gets to fight on Karchuk or on TV, but it reminds me of there's a, he's not a promoter, he's hard to explain, there's someone who's like a,


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[Assistant] Positioned and powerful to a degree for female fighters. He books a lot of female fighters. And he really liked me because I'm small, I'm western, so he could get his fighters on pretty big cards because he brought the opponent.


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[Assistant] Our relationship fell apart because he loved all these qualities about me of always being ready, always down to fight.


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[Assistant] Not a lot of, uh, like, back and forth about who I'm fighting or whatever the thing is.


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[Assistant] If you get too close to that politics and power,


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[Assistant] We're feeding off of each other, it's working out pretty well, but because he's so aligned and powerful when we were like, okay no, distance?


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[Assistant] Right, but that also goes into your bringing in shine, you're putting yourself far.


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[Assistant] Is that, like with this guy who we had the falling out with, like with the Karchuk promotion,


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[Assistant] Which is complicated because we are actually trying to do things, we're trying to increase...


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[Assistant] I would say expose shine, expose his shine, reveal his shine, give access to his shine, because he fucking shines by himself. But like, we're also not trying to


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[Assistant] Even when, so we brought Diesel Noi into Petrin Rung for a year almost, six months.


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[Assistant] We brought him, he was coming three times a week.


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[Assistant] Right, so this was great for Diesel Noy because it gave him more stability financially. It also put him in direct contact with a living...


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[Assistant] Jim, with tie boys, which he fucking needs, cause he was just like, in this,


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[Assistant] The people who kind of give him opportunities or bring him places as a star, it's kind of like for, um, licensing or make an appearance or kind of thing, like to have him actually directly influencing.


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[Assistant] Active fighters meant a lot to him. So we're trying to like bookend this thing of like bring his knowledge and influence to living Muay Thai and then put him in a situation where he's interacting with living Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] When, like, when that kind of came to a close, he was looking at other opportunities, and he had been invited to a gym where Namco Boon had kind of found himself. He went and did like a seminar, and they had invited him to stay, and he was very like,


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[Assistant] Not sure what to do. And he was asking me, not like Sylvie tell me what to do, but he's like, this is the situation, they're offering me this amount of money, but I have to be here, blah blah blah. And he's like, I kinda don't know what to do. And I just...


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[Assistant] I don't think that's really who you are. You don't like being held in one place. You need to go around.


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[Assistant] And it's this thing where they're like me, where they have this...


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[Assistant] Powerful gym, lots of money, able to kind of like, have him in this stable, but when he got out of that, he just fu- you're like, oh he has wings, like I didn't-


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[Assistant] In our, in our last Muay Thai Bones, we started talking about the change in my name and change in my training.


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[Assistant] Chemical X is my new fight name. Uhm, go back and watch the other Muay Thai bones to find out why and what that means. Uhm, but we were gonna talk about what my training is.


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[Assistant] But we got, we got so into these, this is why our Muay Thai bones are so long. We ended up talking about something else and never actually got into what my training looks like now and people listened to bones and were like, wait, what is your training like now?


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[Assistant] One of the reasons that I have had to change my training is what we were just talking about, about keeping distance to politics and power.


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[Assistant] Petringerung is not a super political or super powerful gym, it's a pretty small gym, but even in a small gym, there are politics and power. There is, I have in my head this very beautiful


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[Assistant] There's a woman who's, uhm, you would call her a nun because in Thailand women can't be ordained, but honestly she's a monk. Uhm, she's, uh, very famous and Gansak and the Sor Punjit group used to, uhm, have a very strong connection with her.


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[Assistant] There's this really beautiful quote from her that unfortunately I'm translating into English so it's not as beautiful as it is in the Thai. But she's basically saying anytime you hear gossip,


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[Assistant] It cannot be extracted from the success.


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[Assistant] Shit talking. Uhm, but so basically, we talked about this in the last bones, so I'm not going to go super into it, but my increased


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[Assistant] Uh, visibility, uh, the increased recognition of my name makes the fine-tuned issues of that visibility exacerbated in my jam.


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[Assistant] It's also not much different from what I did when I, when we first came to Patio, which was, I was training at


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[Assistant] Uh, WKO with Sakman Kon. I was training at Petra Ngarong to get clinching and uh, instruction and like real Thai gym. And then I was also going over to Omi Kun, which was Petji Ja's gym. I had three gyms that were like all my gyms.


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[Assistant] My first two years in Chiang Mai, we were only at Lana, but we were doing private sessions with some of the instructors at Lana, which again was...


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[Assistant] So, rather than talking about this and not talking about what my training looks like, like we did last time, what this looks like now is that, uh, three days a week in the afternoons, I'm at Petrin Rung, uh, clinching, sparring, and pad work.


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[Assistant] When I wasn't there, I was sparring with Yodkinpon every morning for an hour, uhm, which is intense.


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[Assistant] Proximity warning about politics and powerful. There are politics regardless, but powerful is a structure, right?


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[Assistant] We do not hitch ourselves to the powerful part of a gym. It's not like he's the head honcho, I'm gonna go connect myself to him. We're like, this is this person who actually is pretty low on the rung, and we're


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[Assistant] We already talked about this in The Last Bones, talking about the pain of talking about the situation of me leaving Petronica, so it's not, not painful anymore, it's not, not difficult anymore, we're just


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[Assistant] Catching up with how I've, uhm, the logistics of how I've moved around.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's also been complicated with Yodh Kumpan because in leaving the gym,


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[Assistant] And branching out and like being on a little like life raft.


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[Assistant] In his generosity, he wants to teach me something. And I'll be like, yes, teach me something, but not become my crew. Like it's complicated.


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[Assistant] Because you also want to be respectful. Crew is actually a, uh,


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[Assistant] It's a higher position, so I don't want to be like, no, you don't deserve that. I want to give him respect and, uh, allow him to have...


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[Assistant] What's kinda cool too, and I'm not saying that I'm teaching him things because I don't know things that he doesn't know, but sometimes I'll come up with something or I'll start doing something that's not in his wheelhouse of what he does and he sees the effectiveness of it and he like


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[Assistant] It's like corneef, but I don't know how you actually pronounce it. He's Russian.


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[Assistant] School thing, but they also have like an animal rescue. So it's just this plot of land that has like,


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[Assistant] I've been keeping Caro updated on the personalities of all these different dogs and how they like to be pet. It's very different.


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[Assistant] What a weird thing when you're going to the gym, like, oh, can't let the horses out, like, this whole weird scenario, but it's, it's, uhm,


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[Assistant] It doesn't require a lot of space because you're just doing the super high repetition pad work. It's basically an hour of pad work.


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[Assistant] We moved in Patia, so now we're actually closer to these other things, so that also made it possible.


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[Assistant] But I also was doing my own work, like, uh,


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[Assistant] Again, the reason we would have a five hour podcast on this staying away from the politics and the power is that


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[Assistant] In the context of COVID, where everything got really small, like all the customers, like the stuff that fills a gym.


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[Assistant] Vanished, like poof, it all just like, uh, new growth in a forest just was gone.


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[Assistant] Ignored in that gym off and on for six years.


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[Assistant] And it hurts, and then it's okay, and then it hurts, and then it's okay, whatever. But, in my like, rising visibility, whatever the thing is, it became a like, let's teach Sylvie, like let's start shaping Sylvie, which was never a thing at that gym, and now,


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[Assistant] So, done talking about that, but one of the things I was doing is when I was going to Warriors, I would just train myself, which is like, I don't belong to that gym, the trainers don't care about me, they have no investment in me, there's no shine or shame coming from me.


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[Assistant] Uh, in what I'm doing, so I could just train myself. Like, I couldn't even train myself.


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[Assistant] At Petronum for a while because of the visibility, it was like, what are you doing? Rather than like, she's just sitting there by herself, we don't care.


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[Assistant] It's come back around to now I can train myself, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're on the edge again.


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[Assistant] There's a very difficult thing about me.


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[Assistant] It's not like personal to Sylvie, but in what I am and what, like the process we've taken and all of this stuff, which is that like,


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[Assistant] We were at a funeral for Siri Monkhan a couple of years ago.


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[Assistant] We're probably the last interview he ever did. Uhm, but we're at his funeral and a lot of, uh,


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[Assistant] Big names were also there. So, uhm, Sagat came because he was Pet Yindie and Sirimon Khan had worked for Pet Yindie. Uhm, Sampson was there.


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[Assistant] Samson was running around, Samson's young for like the, the group of, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yodmoy and like golden age fighters that we talk about, he's like the kid of the group.


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[Assistant] He was probably running around this funeral like a bad 12 year old or something. He was like a kid.


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[Assistant] Three, maybe four legends, like...


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[Assistant] And they were like, each one of them was like, Sylvie's my student. And then another legend would be like, oh, I know her cause she's my student because she's Karajat's student. Like it was this.


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[Assistant] This sounds like it's an only good thing, like who would not want that incredible, like,


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[Assistant] It's not all good, like that, that sounds wonderful and why would that ever be a problem? It's also...


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[Assistant] An insult or a criticism to be like Sylvie of a hundred crews, like she doesn't have this one crew, she has these like ten crews, blah, blah, blah, and it's like, it's very painful for me to not have that be an only good thing. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And so it's also difficult in when we're talking about this as a like.


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[Assistant] We're not advising other people to do what I do. We're not.


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[Assistant] And the longer you stay at a place, the more disrespectful it will be.


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[Assistant] No, you can actually listen to our last Muay Thai Bones where we talk about tracking hormones.


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[Assistant] Answered this question yesterday. We have a new segment called Sylvie Answering Interesting Questions, which normally come off of Reddit.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it's basically, uh, we'll see something on Reddit and it's like,


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[Assistant] That would make an interesting thing to think about and so I'll just give my like impromptu, I'd literally just go outside and like film it. It's not a like drafting process or anything. Uh, we've done a couple of them but it was talking about whether or not it's normal to feel like crying.


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[Assistant] During or after sparring, which for me, totally, I cry a lot.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but it's interesting because I actually don't know whether the person asking this question, uhm, is male or female, but I think that both men and women


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[Assistant] Have that kind of experience where you feel like crying after.


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[Assistant] Emotional time that we're in right now, it can't only be hormones, it can't, but it might be heavily influenced by that in terms of like, you're having a rough day.


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[Assistant] It is, it is a difficult time in my process and Kevin keeps reminding me that like it just might be like this for like the next year or so.


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[Assistant] You're talking about my process. We just talked about my process. What my schedule looks like now and what my training is and piecing it together. These are not...


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[Assistant] We'll have to put it in the notes. I think it is like freestyle or free climb or something.


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[Assistant] If you're playing a video game where you have to like go through all these different levels and like beat the end guy to get to the next one or whatever the thing is.


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[Assistant] Your character is more or less unchanged throughout the entire storyline, whereas in like a cinema or something, when you go through this process, the protagonist changes.


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[Assistant] When, when it, I'm changing. So like the things that were hard four years ago.


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[Assistant] Could be more hard now or could be less hard now because I'm shifting too. Like it's, I'm not the same person I was when I was doing this other thing. So it's not like because I didn't change.


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[Assistant] The experience of 267 fights means that I'm now desensitized to and don't.


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[Assistant] Get nervous, don't get scared, don't whatever these things because that unchanged thing has had all of this influence.


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[Assistant] And so, it's a completely different ecosystem all the time.


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[Assistant] Makes people think that like, life is a progressive...


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[Assistant] Spotify or iTunes, however you get your podcast, you can listen to it as a podcast, as a patron.


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[Assistant] Well everyone, you are listening to the first number one episode of


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[Assistant] Elk Talk Podcast with Corey Jacobson and Randy Newberg, presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. All elk.


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[Assistant] And if you do a podcast with Cory, there are more rabbit holes deeper and further than you've ever imagined, but that's the whole joy of doing podcasts. That's right. Right here, we're recording this for YouTube. I'm gonna show the audience. You see all the notes we have right there? Clean slate. A clean slate.


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[Assistant] We're just going to make this up as we go. But what are all these notes that we have? Well this is kind of some structure to make sure we don't forget certain things. Gotcha.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we're recording this in advance, folks, obviously. The goal is to release this in early July. But we're gonna make the apology upfront that there's this group that syndicates podcasts called Libsyn, Liberated Syndication. And you gotta pass their, I guess,


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[Assistant] Approval? Yeaah. I don't know who they have on the committee or the council of higher-ups, but. So, we're hoping we can submit this one to them, and they'll approve it, and we'll be ready to roll according to schedule. But.


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[Assistant] Maybe not. But just in case. Just in case. That was our disclaimer. That's kind of like in the, you know, the pharmaceutical commercial. It's like they say here's what the brand is and then they spend the next 45 seconds of the one minute commercial telling you all the things you might die from.


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[Assistant] So, that was our version of the pharmaceutical disclaimer. That's right. And, uh, with that, if people want to follow along on this podcast trip that we're going to be doing, because we're going to do it every two weeks.


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[Assistant] We've got the new website that we're working on. Uh, hopefully it's going to be ready by the time the podcast is up and running. It will. And what is that? It's ElkTalkPodcast.com


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[Assistant] That's because, so Cory tried to use his magic to talk the guy out of elktalk.com.


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[Assistant] Right, and then we tried to get the Instagram page outtalked.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the Instagram place you can find us is Alktalk Podcast.


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[Assistant] What's that little at on it? Is it an at? Yeah, it's a little. Cory's the, he's the Instagram guy. I have to hire somebody. Michelle does on my Instagram. I send her a picture and say, can you post this? I still don't know how to do Instagram stories. Really? No.


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[Assistant] That's good. I, I don't like to use that, but anyhow, see we're already down the first rabbit hole.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the one thing we want to make sure of is that people share this podcast with all their friends. Absolutely. Because the goal is that what little you and I know about Al Conning, we share with people. Yep.


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[Assistant] Rabbits and grouse are borderline, and they're almost equivalent on the, on the Edom scale. So do you shoot at rabbits or do you shoot rabbits? Oh, I shoot them. Well, I shoot at them. So it's different than grouse hunting.


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[Assistant] Anyhow folks, if, if, uh, uh, how do I want to say this without embarrassing either of us? Uhm, if, if you want to know something about elk hunting, this probably isn't the podcast to listen to.


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[Assistant] Education? No, that doesn't sound, that sounds like guys sitting around down at the coffee shop telling big stories about, yeah, I missed him yesterday. He was at least a 520 inch bowl. Well, you must be from Bozeman, Montana then. Well, that's true.


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[Assistant] So anyhow folks, trust me, we will start getting into some of this because I only gave Cory the first six sentences, I got the rest of them here. But before we let it pass too long, we should let the world know who is making this podcast possible because


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[Assistant] We've threatened to do something collaboratively for a long time. And finally I called Cory's wife and said, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Ashley, uh, after talking to the good friends at the Elk Foundation, they said, you know, if you and Cory would do a podcast, we would love to help promote that kind of information that you guys would do.


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[Assistant] So, for the Elk Foundation, we'd do anything, right?


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[Assistant] Right, there you go. And they've loaned us this studio right here. This is amazing. We showed up, they had their production crew, they had the lights all set up. We just showed up and hit the record button.


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[Assistant] It's your fault. You've done this before. I have no excuse. I'm the technical director. Yep. Okay. So anyhow, if you go to rmef.org, you should sign up to be a member of the Rocky Mountain Health Foundation.


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[Assistant] And if you are already a member of the Elk Foundation, you should sign up to be a sponsor member. And if you're a sponsor member, you should sign up to be a life member.


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[Assistant] So, the Elk Foundation's mission is ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. So, to me, that's like, for the audience that's listening to this, I think that's what they call right down the strike zone, the sweet spot, the boiler room, the...


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[Assistant] There you go. Alright. So, rmef.org folks, you should go there and become a member. Uhm, the other one, this, the Onyx Maps guys, we should have called them and had them come and be our guest. Cause we're here in Missoula right now. Yea, they're just like a mile away. And, uh,


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[Assistant] We said, well, you gotta give our members or our listeners a promo code.


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[Assistant] Because we want them to have the best.


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[Assistant] Information at their fingertips, which they can get through the app.


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[Assistant] Same way. I was so slow. In fact, I got a, this is like confession. I was in Alaska last week and I had my GPS with me. Marcus had his phone, but it rains there every day and I'm like, I don't want my phone to get killed in the rain.


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[Assistant] I use it all the time, and the thing I love about it is you can get the aerial view, which you can't get on a GPS. Yup. And you can get some, you can click this layer, that layer, that I can't get on a GPS, so.


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[Assistant] Back to how they gotta give our listeners a good deal. Sorry, another rabbit hole, I went down there. No.


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[Assistant] Use promo code outtalk when you go out to ONNX.


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[Assistant] Maps.com. Even though their app, I think, is called OnXhaunt, didn't it? And their Instagram page is OnXhaunt.


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[Assistant] I had to use spell check just to put that on there. Uh, you're gonna save 20%. Which is awesome. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And that's the other thing, we pretty much told most of the people who want to be part of this podcast, you gotta give our listeners something. Totally. Because we're not going to.


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[Assistant] No value in listening to this podcast, other than the first 10 minutes, we'll tell you where you can save some money. Uh, the other group is, uh, Gerber, uh, Gerber gear, Gerber blades, Gerber knives, tools, whatever you want to call them.


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[Assistant] Gerbergear.com is where you can find out all their stuff. And I've been using their vital and their big game vital ever since they came out with it.


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[Assistant] Uh, we might even force them to bring some of their engineers here and talk about product development and stuff. Seth, our lead product design guy, he's from Montana. He's always looking for a reason to come back here.


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[Assistant] When you think about the employment and professional background of the two people on this podcast,


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[Assistant] People have accused me of being anti-logging because I didn't take over the logging business from my dad. First of all, I didn't want to take on that much debt. Second of all, I looked at him at age 40 and said, I don't want to look like him when I'm 40.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I'm not anti-logging at all. I'm pro-logging. I'm anti-Randy-logging. Yeah. I mean, your dad was a timber-faller, wasn't he?


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[Assistant] I had a few goals in life. One was to get to age 50 and not own a lawnmower.


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[Assistant] I don't. I was thinking about all the people I know who are loggers and serious elk hunters. Charlie Decker, the guy who founded the Elk Foundation. He's still at least plowing roads for his son's logging. He suckered his son and then taken over the logging operation.


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[Assistant] Uh, let's see, Ty Stubblefield, I mean, the man himself.


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[Assistant] He, he comes from a logging background. The list is long.


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[Assistant] We're from logging families. Right, yeah. And if you don't, if you don't believe us that logging is a good way to convince you to go to college. Oh my goodness. I remember every day out there in the jackpines getting stung by bees and mosquitoes and horse flies saying, I'm not doing this for a living.


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[Assistant] Uh, we went and bought every sort of clothing out there. And every trip we'd try something different. Me and the guest owner. So I'm shelling out a lot of retail money for this brand and that brand and that brand.


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[Assistant] And at the end of the first season, kinda did the, the survey.


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[Assistant] 8, 9, and 10. I'm buying sick of gear for me and all the guests at full retail.


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[Assistant] Jonathan Hart, the founder of, uh, Secagear, one of the co-founders, sees me at a trade show. He's like,


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[Assistant] Hey man, I love your stuff. Aren't you glad we got that deal worked out? I'm like, what deal is that? He's like, what do you mean?


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[Assistant] I said, no, I'm like paying full retail down at sportsman's warehouse.


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[Assistant] He's like, what? I'm like, yeaah. He said, oh.


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[Assistant] Man, we gotta get you some stuff. And you're how many seasons into your TV show at that point? Three.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know how much I spent on Sitka gear at that point. A lot. Because what I should have done is either had one single guest hunter for every episode or said, here's the size you have to wear. Because this guy's at 32 ways, this guy's at 38 ways. I'm buying some...


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[Assistant] You've got a full catalog of gear. Yeah. And, uh, but everyone said that's what you gotta use. So I agreed, kinda like your experience. Everybody, it wasn't even a question of what gear we were gonna use.


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[Assistant] That was impressive. It was. I mean, you sit there with all those PhDs and they talk about product testing, and this membrane, and that, and uh, performances. It's like, you know, this isn't just some rednecks out here stamping out a pattern, and I mean,


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[Assistant] I was impressed. I left there as a firm believer. I'm like, you know what? These thousands of dollars I spent on this stuff, I didn't get suckered. It was actually good stuff. So, anyhow, that's sick of gear. It wants to be.


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[Assistant] Well, they know that you, you can't take anything. Randy Newberg says very seriously. Uh, who's our next one? Oh, go hunt guys at go hunt. Yeah. Lorenzo.


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[Assistant] Brady, Chris, all of them trail, the whole group down there. Uh, how many oak tags you got this year?


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[Assistant] I will have three. Three? Yea. I only got two. What? Yea. Well, you can buy as many as you want over the counter. Well, I know I could do Colorado and Idaho, but I, uh, I got a busy calendar, so I don't know that I'm gonna do that, but I've, uh,


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[Assistant] Ever since Gohan started, I remember when they started. I went kind of incognito. And I won't rat this person out, but fortunately he didn't recognize me.


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[Assistant] And so I'm grilling him, questioning him, because I'm like, no way has someone accumulated all this information at my fingertips that fills file cabinets. It has a whole office full of...


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[Assistant] Of cluttered up junk. I gotta go check this out.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm talking to this guy, and he's like, really? You do what? You know, I'm like, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. And, uh, so.


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[Assistant] One of the other guys comes over and he does recognize me. And then it's like, well what do you think? Well, if it really works the way you say it does.


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[Assistant] Gohunt.com has this, the service query I've been talking about is called the Insider.


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[Assistant] And if you, right now, I think in July,


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[Assistant] For some period going on here, they're gonna have a 30 day free trial. It is in July. Okay.


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[Assistant] And it might even go into August, I don't know. We probably ought to figure that out before then.


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[Assistant] And if you do keep it, there's a promo code c-code called outtalk.


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[Assistant] The light is too great, it's blinding with these lights in our eyes. Well, young eyes. Anyhow, if you use promo code ALKTOCK


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[Assistant] And their gear shop, I just put together, they asked me to put together a list, my gear list for a three to five day archery alcant and a three to five day November rifle alcant.


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[Assistant] They probably got that list and rolled it up in a ball and threw it away, deleted the file. This is worthless.


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[Assistant] The last company, and this first podcast we're really going through so everyone knows how we got associated with these companies.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you take over last time because you know these people. Who is it? Uh, I think it's this company called Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls. Uh, oh yeaah, yeaah, they used to be called Bugling Bull. I remember that now.


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[Assistant] And your dad stamped some out, and he's like, try this one, Randy. Go ahead and get that one over. He's like, what's wrong with you, pal?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I thought I was at the dentist. He's like, tilt your head back and open your mouth and say, aww, aww.


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[Assistant] He's like, well no wonder you got one of those Scandinavian mouths. I'm like, what does that mean? Anyhow, he makes another one. He's like, try that one. Phew. Perfect. He's like, see?


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[Assistant] Somehow you've convinced the generous folks over there at Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls to give our audience a discount. Another promo code? Wow.


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[Assistant] There you go. Whenever I'm with Cory, I gotta have my Google machine ready because, uh, he's gonna ask me some question that I don't know the answer to and I just fake it. I look it up on Google and I'm like, well, here's the answer.


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[Assistant] Look at that. RockyMountainHuntingCalls.com. Where does it take me?