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[Assistant] I think that's probably the most likely to be the pick right now, but you know, as of a week ago, I thought it was going to be Will Anderson. So it can change from there. Uhm, and I think it does make sense to take a quarterback here. There's going to be some solid edge rushers at number 12 for Houston if they go quarterback or they could trade it for that 12 spot.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you brought up the Willis thing because, uh, we have a NFL Trap Espet prop article that we put out on sports sign every year last year.


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[Assistant] Um, I had five of my eight props that were plus 200 or shorter, uh, come through and most of those were plus prop odds. And one of them was Kenny Pickett to go first quarterback drafted and plus 140 plus 150 as of Monday of draft week. So just bringing it up to say there's something similar coming out. I submitted it.


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[Assistant] I didn't have him in that, the odds are just moving. I'm trying to put something together that the odds are going to at least be a little bit consistent over the next few days since we're going to try to get people into this article over the next few days and I don't have to change it every 30 minutes and this levy's market is just moving back and forth right now.


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[Assistant] I don't really feel like Philly's the team for that. Tipper Parrish-Johnson is a tackle. I'm sure Ryan will tell us more about that. It feels like they're really linked to Peter Skowronski, who is a big favor to go number 10 overall. So it feels like the way to make that happen is for the Jets to come up from 13 to Philly's pick at 10.


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[Assistant] Um, to secure the left tackle they so desperately need in Paris, Johnson. Now to do that in my draft pick, uh, trade value chart, it's going to take 1342 and 207 with the Jets also getting back 62 from Philly. So basically they drop back 20 spots, um, still get to keep a quote unquote second round pick.


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[Assistant] He got asked about the Bears and what they might do at offensive line and he specifically said Darnell Wright is a name he's heard there. So I think that also moved the, the um, the markets for the number nine overall pick.


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[Assistant] That might be a way to get some value in the first offensive lineman market where depending on where you look, um, Darnell Wright is plus 450 to plus 600 still. Um, but if he goes to Chicago nine, I don't know if anybody is going taking offensive lineman in the first eight picks, you know, so that might be a way to get a nice little payout there. If in fact that is the guy for Chicago and Carter's not available.


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[Assistant] So uhm, that, that is a factor, but it's not gonna be a factor at five, I don't think, or six, or wherever they're picking. Uhm, the, the, the favorite right now is for them to take a cornerback with that pick, very strongly linked to Devin Weatherspoon and the odds that they continue to be. Uhm, the interesting thing about it is because they have that pick later in the first round where


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[Assistant] The cornerbacks like Joey Porter Jr., Dante Banks, those type of guys will be available. Doesn't it make more sense if they want to get a franchise quarterback to do it at six? If one of these guys gets out of the top five, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson.


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[Assistant] I mean, they have, I've been a long proponent, people hear me talk on this podcast about Brian Dayball talking him up and how, what he did with Josh Allen and how the Giants would be good because they got him as head coach.


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[Assistant] I think that Detroit could be in a similar situation with Ben Johnson at offensive coordinator. He's a guy that can maximize the talent there, get the most out of somebody. And if you take a guy who is


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[Assistant] Is steady. He's going to get you to the playoffs probably this year. They're expected to be the window division when you look at the odds and really give you a Super Bowl window starting next year. If he develops like a Josh Allen did like like these guys did that are reaching their ceiling with good coaching staffs.


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[Assistant] Well, the interesting thing is in one market, Anthony Richardson has moved to being the favorite to be number five to Seattle. He's still plus 500 at Caesars. He's still plus 350 at another site, but there's one where he's now above Will Anderson who's plus 250 to be the favorite at number five. So we'll see if.


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[Assistant] Um, but you know that that's a good connection there for Seattle and Anthony Richardson and Detroit. Yeah. I mean, when are they picking this high again? Like, I think they just need to go get a quarterback if they have that out of that option.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, definitely. I mean, they were ahead of the Trayvon Walker stuff last year. You know, that, that was before it was reported that Jack was going to be Jacksonville's guy. He had a very steady movement there. So even on the Monday of the draft, you can get Anthony Richardson over one and a half at like plus 140 at that point. That was another part of that article we gave out.


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[Assistant] Because we saw that shift coming in the market and that Anthony Richardson figured to go to at best. So they've been doing that. They were kind of ahead of the Trey Lance stuff. Uhm, you know, we pegged Lance as a long shot for number three that we loved and because of his traits and how he fit with Kyle Shanahan.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, apparently somebody heard something before it was reported that that they were shifting from your guy Mack to Trey Lance and not started shifting there. So that's why I wanted to put this mock draft together with, with.


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[Assistant] And so if you're following it, um, this is kind of like the snapshot of if the draft were last night, when I, when I finalized all this stuff, this is probably a good snapshot of how it would go. Who knows what that's going to be on Thursday, because we're, like what we're saying with.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is more just a reflection of what the market's saying right now. I think there's a, there's a wide range of outcomes on Bijan Robinson. People wouldn't be surprised if he won top 10. Some people think he's going to Dallas at 26. I mean, that's, that's about as big of a gap as you can see from a player graded as high, um, you know, as, as Bijan is. So right now the odds for him to go top 10 are minus 110. So it's basically a coin flip.


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[Assistant] Uh, whether he is a top 10 pick at this point. Atlanta is the clear favorite to draft him. Uh, if you just look at the specific team to draft, Bijon at plus 200.


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[Assistant] So I think whether he goes to top 10 comes down to whether Atlantic can trade back a few spots. We talked about Paris Johnson a little bit ago. Um, that seems like a perfect opportunity for them to go down to.


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[Assistant] 13 with the Jets or 11 with the Titans or somewhere and then be able to pick Bichon, you know, there, you know, if a team's looking to come up for a quarterback that's falling or to go up for Paris Johnson or Jalen Carter. So, um, I think he probably lands on Atlanta is what the market is telling us. It's just a question of whether that happens at eight or somewhere else.


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[Assistant] Also at times he has been the favorite to go to Atlanta at, at eight overall pick over Bijan. Those have been mixed back and forth, but I mean, you could see Atlanta needing pass rush. I'll be, you know, even after signing Bud Dupree, um, that could be an option for them. And if they're not going to be in range to get a Wilson or Anderson, which we don't expect is going to happen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, both of these are actually juice to the over. So there's been speculation, could flowers be a fit for one of these teams in 18, 19, 20 range, you know, Detroit talking about, um, the, the, the receivers that they are, their receiver room is now, you know, pretty barren because of these suspensions. Seattle has been a good fit for flowers.


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[Assistant] Um, and then Addison, I know a lot of people link to the chargers and mock drafts, but the market's not really buying it on either of those. Um, you know, with both of these choose to the over minus 140 for Addison minus 170 on flowers.


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[Assistant] Both in those 22 and a half numbers. So the interesting thing is that Baltimore picks 22nd and I think a lot of people have been protecting them as a receiver team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it was somewhere around there and I think he was the slight under the underdog to be the first receiver drafted for a while. And then as we got closer and he got connected to Atlanta, that flipped. Um, the interesting thing you said about the 55% comment with JSN is that he's minus two 60 to be the first receiver drafted at I believe Caesars and.


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[Assistant] When you don't have those top 10 receivers, it can kind of go any which way. So the interesting thing about this class is you have all these smaller bodies, these guys that have certain roles that don't have the size. And we know the receiver position is actually a collection of a few different positions, guys that do different things, guys that


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[Assistant] If there is a team that there's no receivers been drafted, once you get past 16, 17, 18, whatever, and they are looking for a bigger body type, could you get a value on a guy like Quentin Johnston? Could you even get a value on some of these other guys we think are going to go deeper? Cedric Tillman, Jonathan Mingo. Those type of guys, would it really shock you if there's not project, if there's not going to be a top 15 receiver?


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[Assistant] Well, the odd sets, first of all, the odds were very, very clearly that there would be under four and a half quarterbacks for the longest time. It was very much juice to the under. Then it got closer to even, then Henen Hooker's over-under comes up and it's around this 31 and a half number slightly juice to the over, which means he,


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[Assistant] As of Monday, we've seen a little bit of a shift, and now Hooker's favored to be a top 30 pick, minus 140 at under 30 and a half at Caesars, minus 155 to be a first round pick at Vanduul. That probably means there's a stronger connection with a team like Tampa, like you're saying, or like a team like Minnesota, which is the favorite to draft Hooker at plus 350 than initially anticipated.


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[Assistant] So he could end up settling in that mix. We talked about Detroit and Seattle, go get a quarterback now. I mean, if they like him, they obviously can sit him and let him get healthy. Or if it may be connected to a team planning a trade. I know there were reports that the Raiders had him as the third quarterback on their board. Maybe they come up and into the first round, so.


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[Assistant] Right now, the market was saying as of Sunday night that he was a little bit less likely than is to be in the first round. And as of Monday afternoon, it's flipped. And now he's, he's a little bit more likely to be in the first round.


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[Assistant] It's pretty close to even, uh, uh, whether under one, one and a half's gonna come, it's down to minus 120 at Caesar's after Priebus being a massive favorite. And Gibbs briefly went from a favorite to go in, in round one, a big favorite. I saw minus 175 at one book to be a round one pick.


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[Assistant] Uhm, on, on Monday morning, now he's in the plus 100 and minus 115 range when he was tip, he was like plus 200 something, you know, plus two, plus 280 that we have in this. So a huge shift with him on Monday. Maybe there's a connection there with Dallas. I think that's the team that's favored to take him right now.


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[Assistant] You look at the Bijan, the specific team to draft Bijan Robinson. It could really be, we talked about the range as being super big with him. And it could be a team you're not expecting, like the Packers are 75 to 1.


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[Assistant] That's the team that's in the range of where B. John Robbins is going to probably get picked. That is just way too long odds. You know, so you can look at that. You could look at maybe the Jets. I know they have Breece Hall, but you know, if you upgrade.


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[Assistant] If, if they can trade up and get, or, you know, if they don't get their offensive tackle, maybe they're just in that range for where Bichon's expected to go being a fringe top 10 pick. So I think it's interesting when you look at those deeper teams in there, if you want to take a lottery ticket kind of shot to go with the Packers to take Bichon are one of these teams we're not expecting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, some interesting ones on the board. We, we've kind of gone over some of these teams. Arizona at 3, um, their favorite defensive lineman are Edge at minus 175. I think that's the expectation if they stay, if they can't trade down at 3 or if they only make a small trade back. But we'll see if they get down further than, you know, 6, you know, do they start looking at cornerback, which is plus 155? Do they get an offensive lineman, which is next to plus 600?


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, so yeaah, it kind of depends on if they're able to find a trade and how far they trade down. I don't know that they would take offensive line at 3 as Ryan was saying earlier. You get Seattle is heavily favored to be defensive line edge also at minus 250 just because the prospect is supposed to be on the board.


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[Assistant] And then next quarterback plus 275, we talked about the Richardson market moving around a little bit. So that would be interesting there. And then Vegas was a plus 175 cornerback was favored there. Offensive lineman was plus 200. That's now mood. Offensive lineman is now the favorite from what I've seen.


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[Assistant] Um, so, you know, that's one where maybe that's the landing spot for a Paris Johnson at number seven in the top, the top 10. Um, then you get to Atlanta at, at, you know, we talked about Bichon being there at plus 200. They're still favored to take DL Edge at minus 135, whether that's Nolan Smith, like we talked about for the edge rush or Jalen Carter, if they're sold on him.


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[Assistant] The pool of what the available picks and that just guys you're not going to be able to draft.


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[Assistant] So I don't know if trading up's the answer. Uhm, I believe they changed, uh, general managers this year. So it doesn't feel like the desperation is there to go up and need to save your job and get the guy right now.


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[Assistant] So uhm, I think they kind of sit back, see how this year goes, uhm, see what they would do with Tannahill. Maybe they can trade Tannahill, throw Willis in their tank a bit and get in position for, for, uh, next year's quarterback class.


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[Assistant] So uhm, it's just too, the, the thing about the draft, betting the draft, it's not like betting an NFL game. NFL game, you can have all the information possible and, and the athletic competition part of it, things are still going to happen that's outside of your control and, and you're never going to be able to predict the play by play of an NFL game. If you have perfect information and you have perfect sourcing.


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[Assistant] The owner, the man, general manager, the coaches, all that. And that still had to come. Now it's only snowballed from there. And so I was thinking on Friday, might want to get into CJ Straut just in case.


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[Assistant] You know, something like that's going to happen. Now I think it's up, the price is up to like minus 2400 at one site. So maybe that conversation has happened and it's kind of leaking out that that's going to be locked in the pick.


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[Assistant] It's simple, just switch it. Look, this is, NFL is the league that made the geniuses that decided wild card weekend was now super wild card weekend. So you just make free agent, regular free agency on Monday and super free agency starts on Wednesday. Boom. I just did the dirty work for you, NFL.


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[Assistant] That blew up in his face and everyone literally in Cleveland hated LeBron James until he came back and won a title. If he didn't win that title, everyone would still hate him. So, I don't know if that's the route you go. I feel like it's gonna turn out like last year where, uh,


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[Assistant] Right before the start of free agency, he ended up signing the extension, and it broke that morning, probably an hour before he went on Pat McAfee's show, and then that's all they talked about, so.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's hard to keep a trade a secret. So you know, the Packers and the Jets have to hammer something out.


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[Assistant] And if they're literally, you know, can you imagine Jets general manager, Packers general manager, they're just sitting in front of their computer watching the Pat McAfee show because they don't even know if they can work out a trade until Roger says he's definitely going to play and he's willing to play for the Jets. So they have to wait for him to say, I mean, I would think he's going to give them some sort of confirmation before he goes on tomorrow, but also it's Aaron Rodgers, so who knows.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you never see the Cowboys pull off a trade like this, at least not recently. And as you guys said, they didn't give up much. This is a pick they didn't even have two months ago because it just got handed them when they handed out the compensatory picks, uh, as Katie mentioned. And the other thing, it wasn't just like they traded for Stefan Gilmore here.


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[Assistant] Uh, re-signing Donovan Wilson was a big thing for the Cowboys. This guy led the team in tackles last season. Uh, he works really well in that defense and obviously re-signing Leighton Van Oresh is a big part of what they did. So, I mean, the Cowboys were absolutely quiet on


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[Assistant] Monday didn't do anything and then boom they come out today and had a fantastic day from a defensive point of view.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the other part is that it's not like you broke the bank to get him. This isn't, you're not paying him.


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[Assistant] And so at that price, this was a no-brainer for Philly. And as you guys said, they had lost so many players yesterday. We had them on our losers list.


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[Assistant] And Billy gave us all the silent treatment for that, uh, and now here we are, uh, and, you know, we also know offensively the Eagles love their little running back by committee, uh, so to get someone like Rashad Penny in there, he can stay healthy, uh, and we, we don't know if he can because he's been nothing but injured during his entire career, uh,


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[Assistant] A few things though, I mean the one thing they don't have though, is a tight end. We know the McDaniels offense works better, his system works better when there are tight ends in it. Whether it's Rob Gronkowski, obviously in New England, and now the only tight end I think they have under contract right now is Jesper Horstead. Uh, I, you know, I don't know what you're gonna do with old Jesper out there, uh, as you mean Rob Gronkowski.


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[Assistant] I, I don't want to bash any of you guys. And the other thing is that Prince are, uh,


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[Assistant] The athletic, uh, pointed out on Twitter today that


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[Assistant] For revealing that he was ju- So, Darren Waller got married to Las Vegas Aces star Kelsey Plumb, uh, last week.


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[Assistant] And that was supposed to be on the down-low kind of secret. Josh McDaniels accidentally leaked the news at the Combine. Uh, and according to the Athletic, Waller was very upset about this because then the Las Vegas Review-Journal kind of snooped in and was trying to get the details.


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[Assistant] At the combine, so late February, McDaniel's got, you know, doing his, uh, coaching press conference, uh, leaked accidentally.


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[Assistant] to the press that Darren Waller was getting married in the next few days. Uh, and Waller was very upset with this and, uh, you know, as the Athletic points out, it might not be a coincidence


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[Assistant] And taking the franchise tag twice would only give him an average of 35 million per year. You get 32.4 this year and almost 39 next year. So it's not even close.


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[Assistant] Now you have Lamar Jackson airing out the dirty laundry in public saying, haha, you guys have no idea what's going on negotiations, uh, and it just makes everybody look bad. So it is a weird look. I don't know if Lamar Jackson, if this is the flex he thinks it is, I don't know if the Ravens look good. Nobody in that organization looks good right now.


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[Assistant] They're out there just clearing all this money. They cut Matt Ryan. They gave away Stefan Gilmore for pennies on the dollar. No one has any idea what they're doing because


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[Assistant] You don't know who's in charge. Yes, you have a general manager in place, but Jim or say as final saying it's good if he decides, Hey, I want Lamar Jackson. They'll go out and try and get Lamar Jackson. But I do think the one part that would hold them back.


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[Assistant] I don't actually think they'll do that, but they've had a rough re-agency so far. When you're best signing through the first 48 hours is overpaying a kicker. And Matt Gay is awesome. I'm not sure he needed, uh,


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[Assistant] 5.625 million or whatever it was, but that's the highlight of your free agency if you're the cult so far. Uhm, and, and look.


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[Assistant] Maybe Lamar would work with the Colts. You know, you have Shane Stike in there. He did a lot of good stuff with J1 Hertz. You can run a very similar system.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the other part is that it would give you, you're the fourth overall pick. You're not in a good spot now because there's two teams in front of you that are looking to draft quarterbacks in the Panthers and Texans. So now you're getting a third best quarterback unless you trade up, which you're going to have to give something away to trade up. So why not just.


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[Assistant] Oh, Brady was talking about potential candidates for, that maybe you should think about going after Lamar Jackson, which you were talking about before you dipped down on us and didn't finish your thought.


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[Assistant] And one thing there is that there's not going to be a huge learning curve for Jawan Taylor because Doug Peterson runs a similar offense, obviously having worked under Andy Reid. So I do think that he'll fit in pretty quickly.


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[Assistant] I think it's, if it's over 150 yards it counts. That would be my cut.


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[Assistant] And then guess who brought up this subject just so he could tell this story because he's proud of his almost hole-in-one Brady Quinn so it counts.


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[Assistant] Alright, well, using that logic, how many hole-in-ones have you made on a par 3 in your life, Brady?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, it's gonna impact it. It's hard for it not to. You know, there was some chatter from Todd McShay recently. I believe that there was character concerns about Jalen Carter.


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[Assistant] Um, and selling out, you made no better than I, or one of your breaches made no better than I, like the, the specifics of it was one of those things where like, because it's Jalen Carter, he's a stud on a big team and like the immediate reaction was.


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[Assistant] Uh, worth noting, uh, uh, Chris Paso, friend of the pot, of course, uh, had him going 17th overall to the Steelers in a post-Jalen Carter, you know, uh, charge or, you know, news mock draft. I think the interesting thing about this is, is breach you point out. Maybe he goes from a top five to top 12. Well.


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[Assistant] I think this has a massive impact, Katie, on what might happen with the number one pick.


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[Assistant] You had this situation where everybody's like, oh, the Bears will just trade out of one and they'll just move down.


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[Assistant] It's like, one, it's not that simple. It's not that cheap to move. Like it's, it costs a lot to get the number one pick. And then two, the Bears, a team like that is only going to move down far enough where they can get someone a stud player. And if you take Jalen Carter out of the top five, it suddenly becomes a situation where, you know, they, do they, if they moved to four, are they guaranteed to get Will Anderson?


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[Assistant] Like is there another guy, you know, are they willing to take Jalen Carter at four if they do a swap with the Colts? Uh, it's, you know, it almost takes the Panthers out of contention to trade up to one. People love to do that, but it's like, you know, they're at nine. If you move down to nine, you know, I mean.


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[Assistant] Maybe you get Jalen Carter there, but the point being is it, it shrinks the window with which the Bears can trade out of one. In my opinion, it's just hard to pull off.


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[Assistant] Yeah, former, I mean, former Cardinals GM Steve Kime had a famous quote. He was like a Hannibal electorate of 4440. We draft him in the first round. You know, that's just, I mean, he said at the combine, I think he ain't wrong either. Like if you're a really talented football player, people will look past, um, off field situations, particularly if it's something, you know, where, you know, the circumstances TBD, but


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[Assistant] Like it's the same stuff with like the chains, you know, and the spotting the ball. It's like this is an $18 billion business. You can't figure out sod. You can't hire like more than one guy to handle like the sod decisions for the freaking Super Bowl. You wrote this new sod and like this guy. It drives me nuts. Sully.


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[Assistant] And, and I would point out and sorry Katie for this, but, um, we're into the podcast. Emmett Smith came on the show. He talked about how Jimmy Johnson against the 49ers in the industry championship game.


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[Assistant] If you run a pitch or like a cutback toss to Emmett Smith.


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[Assistant] It's again, just NFL just picture freaking turf guys.


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[Assistant] You know, look, I, uh, I had a NC State for a lot of, you know, some, some amount of money, uh, when Gio Bernard took the kickoff to the house and we're like, well,


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[Assistant] We're going to lose to Carolina, but at least we can't like blow the seven and a half point spread. And then they fumbled the snap on the, on the, on the kick and then throw it into the end zone for two points. Like you're like you're gambling like bad beats happen.


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[Assistant] In order to get you to generate publicity, I'm okay with that, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah. It's like, it's, it's easy to why I don't like, especially, you know, if you've got like a Twitter blue and you want to like tag, like,


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[Assistant] Like, you know, where were you? You just want to, you want to complain. It's easy to do that. Yeah. You knew it was pulling that casino. You're like, I like, you're like, Hey buddy, look, you got cooled. You're out of here.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think we as not like not a 49ers fan, but we, as in people who produce content for the NFL need Tom Brady to go to the 49ers.


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[Assistant] It would still be tampering if he, if he's uh, no, no, no. Yeah, he would be tapering until he's actually like until he's not under contract. And look, but like, let's not look, let's not go past the fact that like Tom Brady went 89 with the Buccaneers last year. They had a negative 45 point differential. They got spanked in some of those games. Like it could have been like it could have been even uglier for Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] While the 49ers have a much better roster and you think they'd be fitting very well, like what if he is too old? And what if he, he does want to take the approach where, you know, he, he wants to


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[Assistant] Uhm, and by the way, I should also point out that like Tom Brady at age 45 and I just, I'm not, not that I'm close or anything like that. Uh, I would, I'm not that close.


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[Assistant] A friend of mine recently pointed out in very, uh, mean fashion that at age 50, you're eligible for AARP. Like, Tom Brady's five years away from AARP. I don't know if he should be on the football field. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] He looked very AARP and like for, for the Lance stuff, I mean, it's just a matter of, I mean, can he run?


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[Assistant] But if, if he can't, if he can't run to the outside, like what was the point of, like what's the point of Trey Lance existing?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, if you can't get, like, the whole point is he was supposed to be this crazy athlete who could bring the mobile dynamic to the couch.


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[Assistant] Andy Dolan's like, when he did that hair makeover in like 2014, it completely changed his career. He had like a goofy like red hair, like flat top. And then he like co-opted up and shaved the sides and all of a sudden he was like a pro bowler. I mean, that's, you know, it's, it's hard to get away.


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[Assistant] What was the exact quote, Breach or Sully? Did you, uhm, I didn't, uhm, I didn't see it. What did he say?


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know if I was a, if I was a former, uh, high draft pick who thought he was a first round pick.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So if I'm a former first round draft pick and.


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[Assistant] I, and I'm going into my third year of professional football. The one, one thing that I would think about is that I'm now eligible for a contract. However.


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[Assistant] If you decide to torch your and enter the fifth year options coming up too pal, uh, this next off season. So if you decided to like blow torch your GM to the ground on Twitter.


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[Assistant] Uh, over the fact that, you know, he, they don't have, they're just going to keep swinging at wide receivers, even though they haven't been productive. When you've got 61 catches for 800 yards and three touchdowns in your first two seasons of your career. I don't know, man. Maybe, maybe just don't do that.


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[Assistant] You know, you, you, you have this year to see what he does and you get this new Todd Monkin offense coming in. So, you know, in theory, it's going to be a look, maybe, maybe more. I mean, I don't know. It's gonna be like crazy, more pass heavy, obviously, but it's going to just more. It's not going to be like full Greg Roman. So you're going to see some more passes regardless of who the quarterback is. Uh, and I think that, you know, with.


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[Assistant] Like with Bateman, you're going into your third year. You have at least two more years of team control, so you could trade him, but he has at least been, you know, productive ish when he's on the field. It just, it seems like this is sort of more of a motivational thing and it just backfired with Rashad Bateman being unable to handle any type of criticism.


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[Assistant] Like, Favre did, Favre did exactly this to Aaron Rodgers, and Rodgers is like so calm and quiet and cool about it, and...


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[Assistant] Now it's like, you know, Jordan loves just sitting back there, being quiet, being a good teammate and Rogers, you just always thought Rogers would never do this because Brett Farve had done it to Rogers and he's doing the exact same thing to the point where he's like, you know, doing the darkness retreats, right? And I mean, it's like it's every off season.


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[Assistant] I may, I, I don't have many great qualities. I'm at least self-aware. And I do know that if


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was like Aaron Rodgers, I might be milking the thing for attention. Like I'm not saying I would do a darkness retreat, but I would definitely be like, like, like laughing at the NFL that I'm just like hammering a Hiawaska in the off season. You're like, and uh, and.


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[Assistant] Did it, I mean, he did it at a time where it was like out of his system before the drug tests were an issue, I guess.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think he ends up getting traded to the Raiders. Yeah. That's my gut.


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[Assistant] I mean, Brady for years, somebody who's like the most, like the most biggest name in professional football, but like in sports and he wouldn't say a Pete because he was busy with the, you know, the Patriot way. And yeah, I mean, like I, you know, um, you know, like, you know, I made some, we made some Rogers vaccine jokes or whatever, but like, generally, generally speaking, like I do, I do find Rogers interesting, although


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[Assistant] It's, I'm a little, I'm a little hypocritical on it, I think, sometimes too good. I'm like, Roger, just tell me. I'm like, actually, I kind of love Roger. I should like know all the stuff that he does.


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[Assistant] Hey, he's intentionally, he's intentionally strange. There's nothing wrong with that.


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[Assistant] I want to say that I have not, but it's not for lack of trying. Like if, if the Combine Bets were available, actually, I mean, I like, there's some, not that I have like a scoop on Combine Bets, but like I know somebody who was like sending in some


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of times these props are setting them based on just, you're just following like one market leader, like, you know, like bet you asked yourself, I'm not supposed to say the name, but some offshore company. Delete, delete, delete, crap.


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[Assistant] There goes my job. Uh, some offshore or at least I'm going to get punished for something. Uh, the, the, the, um, the offshore companies are like, send out these emails and it's like, here's like time, time, times. But I mean, it's, it's really inexact science in terms of when they set these. And so I think a lot of books don't want to post them because they would just take an absolute blood bath on them.


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[Assistant] It's not happening because, and here's the secret reason why.


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[Assistant] Charlie Casserly, no longer hand timing the official hand timer. Charlie Casserly, all due respect, slow trigger finger on the hands. And I think, I think


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[Assistant] Maybe get a quick sugar figure, I guess it was. It was. And I think that, uhm, that resulted in some faster times. However, also is lightning fast, but.


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[Assistant] I think if you actually went back and like put his time up against Chris Johnson's and like, you know, you did the thing where they run at the same time. I think Chris Johnson is actually probably faster. And so I think these times are just, they've gotten more like, you know, they got more laser accurate in terms of how they, they measure them. And so it's just really, really hard to run a four to two.


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[Assistant] I'm good with that. I'm passing but if I did bet it I would ask for my money back if I lost.


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[Assistant] It was my first combine actually, which tells you it was 2011. Cool. That's a long time ago.


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[Assistant] One, you have, you know, the, the, uh, unlikely, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] Factor of like, it's very, it's not very likely that somebody's actually going to do it, but you also remember too, that a lot of guys will bail on the bench press because we see a lot of times somebody, you know, a torn pack or something like that, where if you're, if you're, if you're one of the stronger players, you don't need to bench press if you're already, you know, in a good spot in terms of the draft. So I think it's possible, you know, that you sort of, you lose some of the candidates who might go over the 40.


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[Assistant] I guess you can go out there just trying to bash out 40. 40 is just as easy as it seems. I mean, like, it's, that's not, that's not like, you know, it's like, I'm a six round pick.


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[Assistant] That's a good call. He's the only one who can dunk. That's why.


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[Assistant] No, no, you know who's an incredible like fast shot at basketball? That's like, you would never guess. Pete Prisco. What?


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[Assistant] Uhm, are you, are you a lightning shot there, Sully? Is that what you're saying? You're Larry Bird? You guys will be playing for a second. Really? Not really, but like, you know, I can shoot a little bit.


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[Assistant] I tried to take two charges and it went very, very poorly for me.


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[Assistant] He jumped over me. He literally jumped over me. I looked up and he was flying over me. It was insane.


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[Assistant] LeBron, we're playing these 5 on 5, it's all these media members, LeBron, and all of a sudden, our team lost, we're in the consolation finals, and all of a sudden we're about to start, we hear, let me get in on that, we turn around, it's LeBron, we're like, ahhh, and so he joins the other team.


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[Assistant] So I jumped the ball and kick it off. And I'm like, drilling, I'm like, Oh my God, I just stole the ball like in front of Lebron. And all of a sudden he just appears in front of me. I was like, I don't think so pal. So I dumped that off.


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[Assistant] And then there's a, I'm like back in the, you know, I'm like, like, you know, playing guard and there's like a breakaway and LeBron's got, he's going on like, well, screw it. You know, how many times are you going to take a charge from LeBron? So I get up there and I'm like, Oh my God, Oh my God. And he literally just takes two steps and leaps over me. Like,


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[Assistant] Like, I'm like, I'm like a, like, I mean, I guess it's not that surprising that he can jump over me, but he leaps over me.


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[Assistant] And then there's another one. I'm like, all right, LeBron, you want to do, you want to jump out at me again? Whatever. So I got there, take a charge dead force at me. It was like not jumping. I'm like,


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[Assistant] Oh, like, and he just stops within, I swear to God, like an inch of my face and just finger rolls the ball in. Just, it was just, it was just absolute manhandling.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's just me. I'm just gonna take it. I'm gonna get in the line of fire and just hope that it


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[Assistant] Like when he did his combine, um, I think we're probably get, this is, we see 11 players have jumped further than that since 2013. I'll take the over, you know, the minus one 25. There's a lot of room there between, you know, like eight full inches between.


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[Assistant] You know, the, what the over under here is Byron Judge's record, which is just a ton. So I would go over.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think under is probably the, I mean, so slower is probably the play. That's a pretty fast time.


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[Assistant] Slower is the play here too. I mean, again, like it's just these are, these are fast times that you've, you know, you've got to beat. It's not, this is not like a 40 hour dash where you can just catch like the bottle. These shuttle times are, I mean, like the shuttle runs are really more important these days to teams. I think in the forties and they are.


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[Assistant] It's not easy to do a shuttle, you know, like this is you could slip a lot easier. It requires a lot more lateral agility, et cetera, et cetera. So I think slower is the.


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[Assistant] Poorly lived. I'm just glad, I think I barefoot too, I'm just glad that...


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[Assistant] I didn't like end up with like a needle in my foot, honestly.


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[Assistant] Robbie running barefoot on the streets of Fort Lauderdale at 1130 at night was not a smart move. We'd been like, we're, we'd had some cocktails.


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[Assistant] The thing like, you know, like sometimes you wake up with like a shame spiral from like you do like stuff and you're really, really hungover.


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[Assistant] I was wearing loafers. So I demanded that we... Your elf shoes? Yeah, I was, I was wearing my elf shoes.


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[Assistant] Alright, alright, this is enough about my 40. I've never talked about the 40 again. This is, this is...


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[Assistant] It was not very close. Running barefoot in khakis wasn't a good idea. Do you think if you had shoes that you would have won? Uhm, not at that point in time.


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[Assistant] I think we're chugging, I think we're chugging espresso martinis to try and like get jacked off.


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[Assistant] That's right, Breach. It's pick six podcast time off season preview edition. Me, Ryan Wilson joined by John Breach. It's officially the off season, which means Breach.


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[Assistant] It's full time mock draft Wilson mode. But before that, we're going to talk a little off season stuff in particular. What teams might take a step back next season? Will Lamar get traded?


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[Assistant] Why am I talking like this? Uh, will Daniel Jones, I don't can't believe Billy put this on the rundown. Will Ballot, Daniel Jones get the Giants to the Superbowl? Come on, Billy. Uh, what's next for Derek Carr and much, much more.


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[Assistant] You're welcome. Speaking of which, if you're watching us on YouTube, hit the old thumbs up button. You can subscribe to the podcast wherever you get your podcasts, Spotify, Apple podcasts, wherever. As John mentioned, if you like the draft, you can follow the with the first pick podcast, which is with me and


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[Assistant] Uh, as I describe him, our general manager, Rick Spielman, who was the Fikes general manager for a decade. And so do all that stuff. It would make us very happy. And Breach would be able to buy his daughter a new pair of shoes.


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[Assistant] He is an open book and, you know, it's sort of weird because when you think about,


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[Assistant] You know, owners of football teams, obviously you have great relationships with those guys too, as it turns out. General managers, uh, they feel like they're on another level, but when you talk to Ricky, he treats you like just one of the guys and he will literally tell you anything that, that, um, they ask him in general. He's an open book and he's great on the podcast.


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[Assistant] Uh, Breach, I don't know if I told you that in Mobile at the Senior Bowl the week before the Super Bowl, uh, I met a couple of his, um,


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[Assistant] Former draft guys from the Vikings and to a person, they both came up to me and said, when we listened to the podcast,


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[Assistant] That's exactly how Rick treated us. Cause Rick is a ball buster and he likes to call people out. But underneath that, he's an incredibly gracious, nice person. Um, and it was nice to commiserate with some people who actually worked for Rick and got paid to do it.


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[Assistant] Joke's on you, Petey Pancakes. Alright! This is the first thing that Billy wants us to talk about.


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[Assistant] The Jaguars, Chiefs and Kansas City and the AFC. Let's start there. Then we'll, we'll circle back to the NFC.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's way too low to probably get a quarterback to your point. So they have some things to sort out. They fired Byron Lefwitch.


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[Assistant] As the offensive coordinator, Todd Bowles is still there. On the NFC side, three teams from the NFC East, the Eagles, the Cowboys and the Giants made the playoffs. The Vikings made the playoffs. And look, the Vikings weren't posers. They won 13 games, uh, but they won every game by a half a point, which was impossible until last season. You mentioned the Buccaneers.


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[Assistant] And then of course San Francisco and Seattle and the NFC West. So I'll go back to the AFC. Let me ask you this.


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[Assistant] No, I think that's right. I think, I thought Tool was good when he was healthy. The concern, of course, was the concussions. Uh, so if I have to drop a team, I mean, I'm going to drop the Ravens. Oooooh.


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[Assistant] There's concern about Lamar in terms of the contract, not about the football stuff. He did have the injury and didn't play. Uh, they changed offensive coordinators. They now have Todd Monkin in there. Todd Monkin had great success at Georgia the last few years. So that perhaps is an upgrade, but then you have to figure out how does that fit inside the offense that includes Lamar.


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[Assistant] And this allows me to get in, if you had to guess which team I'm going to put in the playoffs, which team do you think is going to be in the AFC to replace the Ravens?


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[Assistant] Sealer 2.0, Mack Jones and the Patriots. They're back, baby. Bill O'Brien, gonna get that team right. Mack Jones.


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[Assistant] So what about this? And someone mentioned this in the comments, Josh Dooley, I believe. The bills are gonna slip? Are you buying that?


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[Assistant] Probably both agree that Josh Allen wasn't 100%, even though he didn't say his elbow was bothering him after that Jets game back in November, December, whenever it was. And I suspect his elbow will be 100% when he.


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[Assistant] Takes you until September and he'll look a lot more like MVP Josh Allen then.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go to the NFC, which you already gave a sneak peek. The Buccaneers are the layup easy answer.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me ask you this. Can the Seahawks make it back to the playoffs if they re-sign Geno? I'm asking you, do you trust Geno in two straight years?


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[Assistant] Okay, in that division, do they finish second or do you think the Rams with no players on their team or the Cardinals with a new coach and an ACL torn quarterback have a chance to make noise against the 49ers?


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[Assistant] And Billy asks, do you think DHOP would go to the Rams? Would that help them? I mean, I don't know. Their offensive line is an issue. They have a lot of old guys.


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[Assistant] I was going to ask you, what are the Lions chances of winning that division? We don't know, what we know now, like maybe Aaron's there, maybe he's not.


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[Assistant] I was going to ask you, who do you trust more, Gina Smith or Kevin O'Connell going into year two quotation marks? Kevin O'Connell.


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[Assistant] Really? Okay. Alright, I'm not going to take the Vikings. I was going to say the Vikings feel like a layup to pick not to make it because they did struggle. I would imagine they're going to fix the defense. Tampa Bay is the obvious one. I have to pick one of the teams at the NFC because three teams made it. So obviously the Eagles are going to win two football games.


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[Assistant] Like I feel better about the Giants than I do Dallas. Giants and Brian Dable won with the same team that Joe Judge couldn't win with. And now they'll have, I don't know what the cap space situation is, but I imagine they have some caps basically at players, and then they'll have the draft to continue to fix the roster that way. I just don't know, the way Dak played at the end of the year, and maybe he was injured too, but we didn't hear about it, but he looked terrible.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Wilson should be saying that every week when he talks to the media. Cause that thumb injury was two years ago, two seasons ago.


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[Assistant] Okay, so don't go to the playoffs and then. Alright, fair enough. Alright, I'm gonna go with the Cowboys as my early bet to miss the playoffs just cause it's fun. Alright. Will.


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[Assistant] Lamar Reginald Jackson III. I made up his middle name in his third part. Will Lamar Jackson get traded?


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[Assistant] Alright, let me make sure I have the math right. The franchise tag for quarterbacks is 32.4 million. Does that sound right? That sounds low.


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[Assistant] I'm just looking at something that Floria talked about back a few weeks ago.


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[Assistant] So let me double check. 32.4. So that's what it is. That's, that's a bargain if you're the Ravens. Lamar doesn't want that. And if you franchise them two years in a row, it's 120% of the previous franchise tag. I believe that's right. And if it's 120%,


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[Assistant] Of their salary the year before, that means the second year franchise is only 38.4 million, which is also a bargain from the Ravens perspective.


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[Assistant] If you're Lamar, I don't think you play on it, but that would be the incentive for the Ravens not to rush into paying him 45 million a year. You're saving.


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[Assistant] Seven to nine million a year on the contract by franchise and I'm twice and maybe you're gay. I mean, first of all, you don't want to make them angry. So


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[Assistant] Quarterback is really the only position where you do have leverage in the NFL. What's plan B? That's what I always say. Whether you fire a coach or you're going to get rid of your quarterback who won the MVP, what's plan B?


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[Assistant] Well then that's my team to miss the playoffs if that's the direction we're going.


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[Assistant] Okay, anyway. Alright, so let's say Lamar gets traded.


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[Assistant] Lamar and the Vegas have been mentioned as a possible marriage in the future. Can, that's not Josh McGangle, style number one.


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[Assistant] What's the best landing spot for Lamar in your mind? The Buccaneers need a quarterback. The Vegas needs a quarterback, Carolina. Maybe they're tired of going down the free agent slash trade route.


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[Assistant] And there's not a lot of landing spots. I mean, Houston, that's two first round picks.


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[Assistant] You're not trading two first round picks. Would you trade the 12th overall pick if you're the Texans to the Ravens for Lamar? No. No. Really? Really?


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[Assistant] They still have offensive line issues and they give their first round pick, which is pick number, they have the 11th pick. Good Lord. How did that happen? Cause they lost to Jacksonville. So they have the 11th pick. You need to fix the offensive line.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna make notes of these and ask these questions to Rick Spielman on the With the First Pick podcast, so check that out, because uhm,


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[Assistant] He's smarter than Breach, I'm not sure if he's smarter than me, so he may have some insight.


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[Assistant] Okay, so would you trade the fourth overall pick for Lamar or would you just draft CJ Stroud for example to be there?


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[Assistant] I don't know what the CAPS situation is, I'll have to look at that, but it feels like, but you know what you have in Lamar, and that division stinks.


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[Assistant] Right. And Steichen has experience in much the same way that Bobby Sloan had experience.


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[Assistant] Alright, fair enough. Well that would be something to watch unfold. It boggles my mind to think that the Ravens would move on from him. But, stranger things happen, mostly all last offseason. Russ got traded, uh, Devonta Adams got traded, it's a bunch of crazy stuff. Alright, here's one that someone was clearly-


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[Assistant] He is and he's still eight years younger than Kenny Pickett. Uh, that's crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's true. Man, Kenny Pickett's coming. Alright, here's one of the craziest questions you'll be asked this offseason. And Billy, I'll be praying for you, my man.


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[Assistant] I think Brian Dable is the best thing to happen to Daniel Jones and that's no grand proclamation, but.


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[Assistant] I like him a lot more. And he was one of those guys, Prisco said this at the time during the 2019 draft that NFL teams like him a lot more than NFL draft media. And that was the case. Same thing with Mac Jones a few years ago when I was driving the McCorkle Jones train. And that'll be the case this year with Will Lubbers out of Kentucky. But I think.


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[Assistant] The takeaway for me is, and again, incredibly obvious, the landing spot, the system you're in is so important. Brock Purdy is an example. Of course, Josh Allen is an example. He had Brian Dable. And I think that Brian Dable was a


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[Assistant] A professional lifesaver for Daniel Jones. Saquon to a lesser degree, I think Saquon was just healthy.


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[Assistant] But what he got out of that team, Brian Dable, with the same, basically the same personnel and trading Kaderi's Tony and having Wondell Robinson get hurt early in the season and lost for the year is pretty remarkable. I'm glad he won coach of the year. That said, your point is the.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to think. Like, I think he's more closer to Kirk Cousins than Andy Dalton, but the overall takeaway, you ain't winning the Super Bowl with either one of those guys. And there are very few quarterbacks you're winning the Super Bowl with anyway. I saw a stat somewhere, Breach, that only four active quarterbacks have won Super Bowls. And that seems...


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[Assistant] I got it packed for my homes. I don't even know who else is on the list. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson. Oh, Russ Aaron Rodgers, he's still technically in the league. And maybe, no matter, I almost said Matt Ryan. And there's somebody else that I'm missing I think. But uhm. Well, you know, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Okay. Okay. So Matthew Stafford, Jimmy Garoppolo, maybe he, if you're counting non-free agents, technically, but it's a short list is my point. So Daniel Jones would have a tall hill climb. That said, I think they make the playoffs over the Cowboys as we sit here on February 16th.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this. Let's think of a neutral team. Okay. Uh, what's a neutral team? It's middle of the road. What about, uh,


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[Assistant] The Titans offensive line stinks. Let's go with the Packers. So if you're the Packers, would you rather have Daniel Jones or Dak Prescott?


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[Assistant] The one that we saw in January, the same guys, January, Daniel, January deck. Who's the coach of my- Everything else stays the same.


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[Assistant] I would say DAC. The thing that you hesitated is what's troubling.


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[Assistant] So that's why I think Daniel Jones, he's on the up and I'm concerned about, I want to see what happens in a post-Kellen Moore world. I don't know if Kellen Moore was the end all be all. He's with the Chargers down Herbert, so we'll get a sense of that, but uhm.


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[Assistant] They have a new off to coordinator and Mike McCarthy is still there. All right. Another quarterback.


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[Assistant] And right now he's the, the bell of the ball, as they say, breach Derek Carr got released because he refused to be traded. He had a no trade clause can go wherever he wants. The saints are a popular destination. The giants are a popular destination. We didn't, I mean, not the jets, excuse me. We didn't mention Lamar going to the jets. Um, but that I would imagine that would be in the mix, uh, better fit for the jets Lamar or Derek.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Like I like Derek Carr. Like I'm actually, I think, I think I picked him, no I didn't, two years ago when they signed Marcus Mariota in Vegas, I picked Mariota to win the job after four weeks and take that team to playoffs. Obviously that didn't happen. Derek Carr played pretty well. He, he played okay this season under Joshua Gales. Obviously he got benched at the end and Jared Stidham came in.


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[Assistant] But is, Derek Carr is better than Zach Wilson as well, but is he good enough to get that team with that defense in New York for the Jets into the playoffs?


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[Assistant] Well, the other thing, like I don't disagree. The other thing is the Jets won seven games with Zach Wilson starting some of those games. Flacco starting some of the games. They beat the Browns with Joe Flacco. And of course, Mike White, he was a breath of fresh air. And if you throw in Derek Carr, he was, he was above, he's, he's above replacement level. I have to look at the football outsider's number to see where he measured out this year, but.


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[Assistant] In general, he was in the MVP running before he broke his lower leg a few years ago.


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[Assistant] I think he, I think he helps get that team to the playoffs. I think, are they better than the Dolphins in that division?


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[Assistant] They have Jim Caldwell on staff, they have Josh McCown on staff, the guy who was supposed to get the Texas job last year. They have Dom Capers.


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[Assistant] That's right. Idro Evero, the Broncos defense coordinator moved over to Carolina. The idea that Rex Ryan could be the Broncos defense coordinator is absolutely.


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[Assistant] Fabulous as well. But, uh, I think the Panthers call is a good one, even though on paper, maybe not even on paper, because the way that Steve Wilkes ended the season going six to six of the Panthers and that makeshift team, maybe they're already better than the Bucs who are, you know, they've been, they're, they're shelled themselves now in a post-tomb ready world. And of course the Saints, my guy, Jameis didn't work out. Your guy, Andy Dalton, non-surprisingly didn't work out either.


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[Assistant] Well, that's one mic. I'll ask you about another mic. Is Mike Evans on the trading block?


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[Assistant] Yeah, he only has one year left on his current deal. Uhm, he's only 22, he won't be 30 until next season.


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[Assistant] He was drafted, I think it was in the 2014 draft. I think he, cause he played with Johnny football, but uhm, still one of the best players in the NFL.


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[Assistant] I had heard that Tom Brady like throwing the ball, trusted Godwin more, Chris Godwin more than Mike Evans, but Mike Evans still made a ton of plays. But it does feel like this team is in rebuild mode, whether they want to admit it or not.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, I'm trying to think, like I don't even know where he might end up and what you're willing to give up for.


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[Assistant] The Bears, I mean, they traded for Chase Claypool, but I would imagine you want to add some more weapons. Does Mike Evans want to play in cold weather? He went to Texas A&M. The answer is probably no.


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[Assistant] Let's see, who else is there? The Seahawks don't need wide receivers. The Rams, potentially, potentially, we heard Billy mention DHOP earlier.


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[Assistant] Giants are definitely a landing spot. Maybe the big market there might, might be interesting to Mike Evans, even though it's coal there. We got Billy mentioning the Chargers because Keenan Allen might be going.


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[Assistant] And Billy put one more silly thing here on the end of the rundown. They'll take a quick break. But uhm, Tanu from Dak, if you're the Cowboys, I mean, I think the answers no, because my follow-up is always-


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[Assistant] Dak? No. I think the Giants are more likely to win a Super Bowl with the, with the personnel around Daniel Jones and the coaching than Dak.


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[Assistant] You know, common sense says yes, but Jerry Jones feels differently. It seems about that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not going to push back on that, but I don't know. What's plan B? Number one, Cowboys have the 26 pick and you know, Jerry's been known to fall in love as well. We talk about Tepper and Ursay willing to wheel and deal for a quarterback. I would imagine that Jerry would be too, but I mean, okay.


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[Assistant] I feel like just because Lamar does a lot on his own.


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[Assistant] We're gonna take a quick break when we come back. We're gonna talk about the Jets, Trevor Lawrence, Russ and Sean Payton, and some old Jared Goff talk. Right after this.


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[Assistant] All right, we're back, Breach. And we talked already about the Jets and the quarterback situation, but I'll ask you this. Our buddy Jason LaComfort tweeted that he talked to more than one general manager during senior bowl week.


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[Assistant] Something very interesting came about. Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] May not be the quarterback for the Chicago Bears. He may be on the trade market. Like I didn't hear that, but I wasn't looking to hear that. I didn't hear that from other folks who follow the NFL closely, but it doesn't mean it's not a possibility. If you have the number one overall pick and you've seen Justin Fields for two years, get absolutely beaten down week in and week out because of the offense you ran until the last half of the season with Luke Etzi.


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[Assistant] New regime, new coach. Would you think about trading him and take a quarterback number one?


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[Assistant] Breaking news there. They're the first overall pick. I think you trade down. You stay with Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] Who showed glimpses of being really good, especially with his legs. And we saw how successful Jalen was with his legs. Jalen hurts throughout the course of the season and even in the Superbowl and then building offense around him that caters to what Justin does best. And if J, if Justin ends up


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[Assistant] 85% of jail and hurts in a year. I think that's a, that's exactly what you want, but you can't have the offense the way that Matt Nagy had it.


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[Assistant] A couple things. Five to seven years in that Domas Belt. Fields will be in a wheelchair by then.


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[Assistant] If you're watching on YouTube, Billy put up the comment from Justin Fields that Breach mentioned. It's very difficult to adjust to. I hope we get a dome.


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[Assistant] End quote. Again, Chicago is colder than, than Columbus, Ohio, but it's not, I don't know. Maybe the wind is an issue. I don't know. But again, that's a weird thing to say when you're in year two of a potentially five year deal.


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[Assistant] All right, let's talk about it. I asked over the first half of the season, what was up with Trevor Lawrence and Trevor Lawrence heard that, took it personally, started taking his job seriously and going into work and doing more pushups. And he, he flipped a switch. He and Doug Peterson in that offense and they played well up until the final game against the chiefs of the playoffs. Can Trevor Lawrence take that next step? And I would imagine that next step is,


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[Assistant] Uh, making it a little deeper into the playoffs, perhaps, uh, building on winning the division, win more than they went nine and eight, which was, uh, they wanted the division, but, but improve on that and all, all around improve as, as a team, uh, that people now take seriously, even though they play in the AFC South.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm looking at that. I mean, we'll see what happens with Houston in the two draft picks that we mentioned, but even if they get.


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[Assistant] All they need to figure out is how to cover Travis Kelsey and then they'll win the Super Bowl because that was a huge concern for them in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Alright, you know, we talked about in the post Nathaniel Hackett world when the next Denver Broncos coach is hired, he needs to be someone who could take the reins of that organization and by that I meant control Russ Wilson because


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[Assistant] Given how things ended in Seattle, it was clear quite quickly that Pete Carroll and John Schneider were right and Russ Wilson was wrong. Things went sideways. Whatever the worst sideways way you can go, that's exactly how the Broncos were to the point that the thing actually got fired before the season was over. Russ looked.


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[Assistant] Like one, and I'm not even exaggerating, one of the worst quarterbacks in the history of organized football. So Sean Payton is here. Rex Ryan might be following, which is fun to think about.


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[Assistant] Sean Payton, I think we talked about this in the podcast. He's not going to allow Russ to have his workout guy in the building, I believe was, was one of the stipulations. There are going to be some rules in place. Can Russ and Sean work amicably together and will this team, now look, they're going to be better than they were last year when they went five football games.


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[Assistant] But are, are they going to scare the Chiefs and or the Chargers who you think missed the playoffs or the Raiders in the AFC West?


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[Assistant] I love that you're trying to ease back into the pool after you just did a cannonball and a shallow in.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me ask you this. So let's say last season for Russ Wilson was a zero. Let's say him at his best when he was going to the Super Bowls with Seattle with help around him was a hundred. What do you expect Russ to be in 2023?


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[Assistant] Better than last year. I just think that- You gotta give me a number. Zero to a hundred.


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[Assistant] Uuuh, 84. 84? Did you hear the scale? Zero was last year, 100 was him and his best in Seattle. You think he's gonna be 84 next year?


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[Assistant] What if he's angry about not having, not being allowed to have his personal coach into the building?


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[Assistant] Folks in the comments are, have low expectations for the Broncos. You mentioned that you think the Chiefs are going to miss the playoffs. I mean, I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] Right. You mentioned the Chargers and the Chiefs would miss the playoffs earlier in the show. Who wins more games? The Chargers or the Broncos?


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[Assistant] No, I corrected myself. I said the Chargers. You said the Chargers could be a team that regresses. The Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl again.


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[Assistant] So who wins more games next year, the Chargers or the Broncos?


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[Assistant] Embarrassing for Russ Wilson to be like, oh, you're two games within a team that missed the playoffs and you're still not going to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Might I direct you to the comments you just read about Russ Wilson's cap hit? That's on Russ Wilson.


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[Assistant] George Payton, the general manager of the Broncos has been Spielman's right-hand man for like literally 30 years. Like Spielman, he would take George everywhere he went in terms of when he moved from one team to the next.


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[Assistant] And uhm, as you mentioned, Rick will talk about anything. So we were driving around Mobile, Alabama, going to practice or something a few weeks ago. And that's when the Sean Payton news broke. And I said, Hey, do you think Sean Payton can be able to talk to, be able to fix for us?


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[Assistant] And I was just thinking about that, nothing else. And like I said, Rick will talk about anything. He goes like this, he goes, eh, we'll see.


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[Assistant] I was like, oh, that's weird. And like an hour later, I was like, oh, you don't want to talk about it because of George. He goes, yeah, I'm a pretty easy book to read. I'm not talking about my guy and how things are gonna happen. You know, I hope it works out, but I'm not telling you anything, dummy. We'll see. We'll see. I'll have to push him on that later. All right. Another.


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[Assistant] Crazy question from Billy. He must have wrote this at two in the morning. We already had the Daniel Jones giant Super Bowl talk. Can Jared Goff get back to the Super Bowl with the Lions? The thing is, I think this is less crazy than the Daniel Jones talk. What do you think?


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[Assistant] This team is good though. That's why, that's the wins over Wilson was plus 180.


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[Assistant] Cause I mean, they won nine football games. They started slow and then got red hot. Had a chance to make the playoffs. I don't remember the scenario that they needed and obviously didn't work out. Um, they're better than the Packers. They're better than the Bears. How much worse are they than the, the extremely lucky Minnesota Vikings that went 13 and 14.


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[Assistant] Alright, which team wins the playoff game first, the Lions or the Cowboys? Ooooooh.


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[Assistant] What if it's Cowboys versus Lions? I will take the, the spread is going to be Lions minus 12, but I'm taking the Lions.


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[Assistant] Browns, who the Browns beat? Oh, the Steelers. E Wilson. I was thinking about the 2002 game where Kelly Holcomb lost in the last minute to the Steelers and Chris Fumatuma'afala, but I forgot about the Baker Mayfield whooping that we took, uh, in Big Ben's, I think it was Big Ben's swan song. Uh, here's the thing about the Lions winning first before the, the Cowboys in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] It feels like Dan Campbell's gotten that team over any stigmas associated with losing in Detroit, whereas I'm not sure Mike McCarthy in January has done that with the Cowboys.


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[Assistant] Speaking of insane, before I forget, Breach, we missed you on the Super Bowl podcast because you were actually at the stadium writing.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, that was a big win, cause that was down to one team, I think, after the first round of the playoffs maybe?


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[Assistant] All right. One last thing and then we'll get out of here. And this is actually Billy Say finally put a good question on the rundown and this is a good one. Last year, the Browns went seven and 10.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson was suspended for the first 11 weeks, I believe, of the season. And when he came back, he looked terrible. And there's no other way to put it. Jacoby Brissett looked much better. And...


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[Assistant] Hopefully Jacobus gets a job somewhere, probably as a starter. I mean, there are plenty of teams in the quarterbacks and he's sort of that, that gap guy that we talk about all the time. It's Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Ready to turn the Browns organization around. We're looking at the graphic here on YouTube. They have one playoff win since 2000 thanks to Big Ben. But.


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[Assistant] A year ago this time, that was another big off-season move that we were talking about. Deshaun Watson signed a five-year, $230 million contract, all guaranteed.


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[Assistant] His cap hits are insane. They're not gonna do anything with them. I mean, the dead cap hit, should they cut them right now, is $219 million. And we were laughing about Russ Wilson's dead cap hit. You cannot get rid of Deshaun Watson, ever. Like, his contract runs through 2026. In 2026, his dead cap is $54.9 million. So,


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's gonna get worse before it gets better. So you're stuck with them. And that's just reality. You're in, you're in a mare, an arranged marriage. I don't know if it's a loveless marriage yet.


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[Assistant] But how confident are you that Deshaun Watts can regain his form and get the Browns back in the conversation? Forget the AFC, but in the AFC North.


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[Assistant] Imagine being the final piece of the puzzle that destroys the Browns, an organization that's been teetering on the brink for decades. Part of me wonders if at any point the front office slash ownership asks the league just to suspend Deshaun for the entire year.


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[Assistant] Because it felt like once you bring him back, the pressure's on that he has to perform right away. We all knew he wasn't going to because they hadn't played in two years. And what's the difference between two and a half years off and three years off at this point? I think you come back, you start fresh. I think he was allowed to take part in training camp last year. He played in the preseason games, if I recall correctly.


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[Assistant] Again, you're taking that two months, two and a half months off in between the last snap you took a practice in August or September and playing real snaps in games that are much faster. I wonder if that would have made a difference or just sort of push the, uh, kick the can down the road. Uh, let's see.


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[Assistant] Radom, would you rather have, on this Browns roster, same coach, everything changes, would you rather have Deshaun, Dak, or Jared Goff?


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[Assistant] I think the takeaway is that whoever the quarterback is, they're probably still finishing third or fourth in that division. Unless Lamar, something happens crazy with him in Baltimore.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, the answer is that, uh, Watson is probably not ready to save the Browns. It's not entirely his fault. The Browns typically Browns it up and they did it again last off season. And my buddy who's a hardcore Browns fan.


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[Assistant] And he has spent his entire life. I went to college with him. He says to me all the time, and I'll ask you this breach, would you rather have Deshaun or would you rather have all those draft picks that you had and all the money and just roll with Kobe Brissette last year and then reset now?


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[Assistant] Regardless of the off-field stuff, which is clearly, which is a huge problem, no doubt about it, but just in terms of the on-field productivity, lack of productivity. All right, Breech, anything else? Uh, Wilson, that was fun. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And if you haven't read Breach's story about the guy who caught the football, the game winning kick.


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[Assistant] In the end zone after flying there that same day, go read it on cbssports.com. He was whining about that. So go check that out for him. Give this video a thumbs up if you liked it or if you didn't like it. Doesn't matter. Just give it a thumbs up anyway. Cause I don't think you're allowed to give thumbs down on YouTube.


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[Assistant] Smooth move Google and we'll be back soon, by the way, with the first big podcast coming up on Thursday as well. Breach one twice a week now with the draft approaching. So check that out. Otherwise we'll see you guys later.


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[Assistant] I think this is gonna be one of the more interesting teams that we're gonna follow these next few months. Obviously, the big question is gonna be what happens with Lamar Jackson. Whether or not he remains there on a long-term extension that they come to an agreement on.


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[Assistant] Or if things go awry and then he's traded or something along those lines happens. And so the longer we go without any really positive momentum with Lamar Jackson, the Raven signing a deal, it kind of feels like we might be heading towards a divorce. So obviously that would thrust


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[Assistant] Pour back to the top of the list of what they need to figure out.


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[Assistant] I think the number one thing is wide receiver. I think that this team is severely.


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[Assistant] Lacking talent at that spot. Yes, they have Mark Andrews, who was one of the better receiving tight ends in the NFL. Rashad Bateman was supposed to take that leap last year in the absence of Hollywood Brown, but he got hurt. It just never really materialized. They have good pieces in the backfield with J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards.


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[Assistant] If you're Lamar Jackson or any quarterback that goes into this, you need that number one or at least some serviceable wide receivers. So for me, one guy that I think is interesting because I don't think that you're going to be able to, you might be able to draft somebody, but it just doesn't feel like


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[Assistant] That is an immediate impact type of addition that they could do at that point in the draft. I think Jacoby Myers is somebody who I think would be interesting. Someone who I've followed here.


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[Assistant] I don't know if the Patriots are gonna kind of extend themselves to go after a player like him. I think that he would be somebody who is not necessarily your number one, but a good possession.


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[Assistant] Kind of in between the numbers type of receiver that could compliment Rashad Bateman, who I think has more of a specialty as a deep guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think DeAndre Hopkins makes a little bit more sense because you don't really have to owe him that much money, he's under contract. When you go after a guy like T Higgins, you're not only giving up significant assets like a first round pick, you're also signing him to a massive extension. I don't know if


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[Assistant] If we're talking about Baltimore extending themselves to sign Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] I don't know how much you're going to start putting in to that side of the ball wide receiver as well. I think you're maybe better off drafting there or again, going on that other side of the coin where you get a veteran like DeAndre Hopkins.


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[Assistant] Little bit lower money, you can keep them for a few years and then kind of make a decision. I don't know if they're in a space financially to just triple down on the offense like they would do if they have Lamar Jackson. Now if they don't, that frees up a lot more capital to kind of


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[Assistant] In Tennessee, because his cap number is just absolute ridiculous. You can clear around $17.8 million. If all of a sudden you get a stopgap quarterback like Ryan Tannehill, as you kind of build a young guy behind him, that would make some sense there. But again, it's more about Lamar Jackson and whether or not they're going to sign.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, that's possible. I mean, you know, if you're trading Lamar Jackson, you're going to get a lot back. Like it's not like you're going, it's not like he's leaving in free agency. You're going to franchise him and you're going to trade him. Like that's what's going to happen.


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[Assistant] If you decide to go down that route. So I don't know if you're like the Las Vegas Raiders, are you sitting there at number seven saying, all right, we'll give you seven multiple other assets to acquire a guy that we need to contend immediately in a super competitive AFC West with Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, and now Russell Wilson with Sean Payton.


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[Assistant] And so, if you're Baltimore, alright, the number seven overall pick puts you in that discussion for these quarterbacks. Maybe not Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] But a Will Levis or something along those lines that kind of get you in that conversation, CJ Stroud, what have you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a route you can go down, but if they're just going off of outside of quarterback, to me it's wide receiver. The Jacoby Myers thing in free agency, I think he's going to command some significant money, but ultimately I think that that's a position that they need to target.


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[Assistant] It depends on the quarterback. Like if they are, it just depends on how they kind of view it. So for me, he is put up numbers with


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[Assistant] Just a deplorable offense last year. He did so with Cam Newton. You put him with a decent quarterback. I do think that he'll be a productive receiver. I'm not saying he's a number one. I'm saying he's like a 2A, which is still better than what the Baltimore Ravens have at the moment.


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[Assistant] Yep, that's fair. That's extremely fair. Alright, so Sully, move on. What do we got next? What team are we going to highlight next? Let's go with the Buffalo Bills. You can go a couple of different routes here. I think the number one thing that they should do


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[Assistant] I mean, that to me is one of arguably their biggest free agent. This team is ready to go to contend for a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] You're not in the business of losing your best players. So when we're talking about their biggest positions of need, this team, a year ago, we were saying that there was no flaws basically. They're a Super Bowl favorite. Josh Allen, the MVP favorite.


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[Assistant] You don't want to start losing pieces that we consider to be part of a championship core, even though they haven't won one yet. So for me, the number one thing would be Jordan Poirier. I guess if they lose him.


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[Assistant] Do you start putting yourself into the Jesse Bates kind of conversation? Now, if you're gonna pay Jesse Bates, you might as well pay Jordan Poirier. That would be my opinion there. But the big thing for Buffalo is going to be having to clear up salary cap space. That's to me a huge piece to this as they're trying to bring along talent.


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[Assistant] And if we're looking on the other side of the ball, I think offensive line is interesting too. Left guard could be a spot for them where all of a sudden you need to start going into the draft and bringing in talent that way because you're spending a lot of money for Stefan Diggs. You're spending a lot of money for Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] You're probably gonna lose Devon Singletary this year. You gotta start kind of piling in assets through the draft. And for me, the offensive line specifically left guard to me is a spot at the NFL draft where I think they should target a rookie guy.


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[Assistant] That's all this team needs right now. I would even, I would say if you're going to spend assets on like a Josh Jacobs or anybody like that, I think you're much better served resigning Jordan Poirier or adding to that defensive side of the ball. I mean, this team is


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[Assistant] Theoretically, you're paying Josh Allen enough that he should be able to mask those mistakes.


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[Assistant] If you want to add another guy, I think you do that through the draft. I'm not extending myself financially through the salary cap. Bring in anyone that's of significant value, like a Saquon Barkley or a Josh Jacobs. I wouldn't do anything like that. It sounds great.


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[Assistant] But if you're gonna swing for the fences, I would continue that on the defensive side of the ball, like you did last year with Vaughn Miller.


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[Assistant] It's not sexy. I mean, I was talking about offensive line with the Buffalo Bills and it's, I'm doing the same thing here with the Cincinnati Bengals, but.


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[Assistant] I think that everybody knows watching this team that they are pretty much set.


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[Assistant] around the roster specifically on offense, except for the offensive line. I mean, if you have a sturdy offensive line, any of these last two years, you can make a case that they're hoisting the Lombardi trophy and winning the whole thing. So yeah, you, there's going to be questions about how they're going to approach this off season because you have to pay Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] Probably gonna be a market setting deal. It's just the way that he's been playing. It's the way these quarterbacks and these contracts go. You have to look a little bit further in the next offseason and say, okay, we're probably also gonna have


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[Assistant] A market setting deal for a guy like Jamar Chase. So what does that mean for T Higgins? Even if you move off of T Higgins, you do have Tyler Boyd, you do have other pieces that I still think that that offense could hum in terms of the passing game.


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[Assistant] So I don't know if a wide receiver is a move or anything along those lines. To me, I think it's still the offensive line. It always has been. I'm trying to see who Wilson has for them in their spot. I believe it was, it was, uh,


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[Assistant] I believe it was Brodrick Jones out of Georgia, the offensive tackle. So you know, that's again, just another guy that I do think that they should bring in. And to me, for them, it's the draft because they're so cheap, because those prospects can be blue chip first round guys and you're not paying them for the first, you know, significantly for the first five years.


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[Assistant] For a Cincinnati team that is, you know, doing the naming rights of their stadium to save up for their quarterback. They have to pay their quarterback. They have to pay the wide receiver. Jesse Bates is even going to be a free agent.


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[Assistant] You need to kind of cut costs somewhere else. And so for me, the offensive line is a huge need, but that to me is through the draft. So for me, best offensive tackle available.


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[Assistant] Cleveland Brown's interior defensive line. I mean, you could go a couple of different fronts. Cleveland, it's not in the best cap situation. So again, this could be a team that addresses that via the.


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[Assistant] You know, thorn in their side. Obviously you'd like to add another wide receiver to Amari Cooper with Deshaun Watson. But to me, I think the defensive side of the ball, especially when you play in a division that currently has Lamar Jackson has Joe burrow has a Pittsburgh team that I think is on the, on the ascend.


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[Assistant] Well the number one thing for them this offseason, I mean we're talking about personnel and fixing the roster and all of that, but the number one thing that they need is just a full offseason.


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[Assistant] That to me is the number one thing to get to Sean Watson comfortable in this offense because we've seen when he's on the field.


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[Assistant] And when he is healthy, he is arguably a top five quarterback talent wise in the NFL. That's the reason why he got this unbelievably fully guaranteed deal of 230 some odd million dollars and why the Cleveland Browns are willing to completely reshake their organization to go get this guy. It's, you know, outside of, outside of,


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[Assistant] Outside football things aside, he's a talented guy. So yes, that's going to be the number one priority, but you also need to have a capable roster around him. To me, I think that a wide receiver, another wide receiver opposite of Amari Cooper is an interesting thing to take a look at there. But if you're talking about their number one need, I think it's along the defensive line.


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[Assistant] I'll give you one more real quickly because I'm just thinking about it right now and, and, you know, I don't know what the price would be, would have to, you know, all this, but just from a fantasy football fun storyline.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson, in Cleveland, pairing himself up, reuniting with DeAndre Hopkins, who we all believe is going to be on the block.


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[Assistant] That would be something fun, where all of a sudden you have Amari Cooper on one side, DeAndre Hopkins on the other, the Texans boys getting back together. That would be very interesting and all of a sudden make that AFC North even more competitive when you talk about T Higgins and Jamar Chase. Now you have DeAndre Hopkins and Amari Cooper.


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[Assistant] All right, let's move on, man. What else you got for me, Sully? The Denver Broncos. We can go quicker on some of these too, because again, you know, we don't need to get too much into the offensive line, but like, Russell Wilson sacked a career high 55 times last year. I think that they already have the pieces in place offensively in terms of the skill positions.


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[Assistant] That they don't need to extend themselves too much, like Jerry Judy I think is capable of being a number one wide receiver courtland side.


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[Assistant] Same type of thing. Javont Williams, had he not gotten hurt last year, I honestly do think that that was a major X factor in their season. Yes, Russell Wilson didn't play well. Yes, Nathaniel Hackett wasn't a good head coach, but they were, Williams was supposed to be a linchpin in that offense. And so losing him to injury was a massive blow to them. But as we were kind of saying with Deshaun Watson too,


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson just needs to get comfortable in Sean Payton's system. I mean, that's first and foremost what that's going to be. Now,


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[Assistant] They're kind of a little strap cap wise and they don't have a first or a second round draft pick this year. So you're talking about trying to address that need in the third round.


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[Assistant] It's possible, you can help, you can do that, but it's a lot less margin forever and it's a lot more difficult to identify those guys later in the round.


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[Assistant] Yes, the Denver Broncos have a uphill battle to climb. If Russell Wilson is that, is not the quarterback that we all think he can be with Sean Payton, but ultimately what's going to help him most is a sturdy offensive line in front of him.


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[Assistant] It's going to be interesting to see how both of these teams kind of attack this. We talked about it in the Shane Steichen emergency podcast where it does kind of feel like if they're going to go young,


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[Assistant] Because of the hire, because of Steichen's resume of helping Justin Herbert right out of the gate be over 4,000 yard passer, helping Jalen Hurts develop into an MVP caliber quarterback.


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[Assistant] He has the chops of bringing a young quarterback along and this is an organization that has struggled to really latch onto that veteran and have any sort of success. So if all of a sudden they're a, you know, or either one of these teams, a Bryce Young contender in, in, in, you know, obviously Houston has the inside track with that having the number two overall pick, but you look at Indianapolis, I believe they have the number four overall pick.