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[Assistant] You know, again, let's not disrespect Lamar Jackson here. This guy is, is, is one of one.


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[Assistant] And, and all you gotta do is listen to anybody that's ever played against them or played with them, where they just, you know,


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[Assistant] But I don't think it has any effect on Lamar Jackson and the Ravens and what they are. So that would be my, my talk there. But man, yes, you know, uh, what I would say, you know,


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[Assistant] Lamar, if he can learn something, maybe from a Tyler Hunley, it's just that Tyler plays it true to form all the time. It's like right out of that coach said do this, this, this, and this. And Lamar at times last year, I think took it to themselves like, wait, there was an easy completion, but I think I can get something better. He just can't fall into that trap. That would be the only negative I would say about Lamar. So, uh, but Lamar, I expect to see the best Lamar possible this year.


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[Assistant] Better than that. You know, Mark Andrews is one of the best tight ends in football. Now you add this guy, who again, needs some work blocking, but still is gonna be...


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[Assistant] Enough of a presence to where you go, whoa, wait, if Andrews and, and likely are on the end of the line of scrimmage on this side, they can run some power football over here. That could give us a problem. And then, oh wait, the next play they're split out, right? Like we talk about that a lot. So yeah, I mean, this is a team again, we know the receivers are not real special.


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[Assistant] That's not how they're built. That's not the way they're gonna play. I mean, that's uh, they wanna run the ball and keep you on edge because of their run game and their overpowering offensive line and then Lamar being able to do things off of that.


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[Assistant] And then they use the tight ends and they'll find Rashad Bateman matchups and, and try to use the rest of the crew accordingly and they'll have their little roles. But yeah, I expect the tight ends to be a,


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[Assistant] As much of a factor in their offense as just about any offense in football, I guess.


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[Assistant] I've been saying this for years. I mean, this is, this is, this is, you know, not Greg Roman's MO. Passing offensive coordinator is not where his genius is. He was in San Francisco with Harbaugh, with Kaepernick, and that was a


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[Assistant] Exactly right. Right. Right. And that's where he does his stuff. Listen, like Shanahan, one of the best offensive minds in the game, he's better in the run game than the pass game.


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[Assistant] You know? There's, if there's, you know, you look at that. So, this is Greg Roman's Strength.


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[Assistant] And when they can't run the ball, which they couldn't like last year because of the offensive line injuries and all the injuries of running back, it hurts the pass game to where now it's like, wait, it's, it's all about the pass game. And that's not what he is. He's not Sean Payton or Andy Reid. He's not that. That's not what he is. So they're built to play that way. They need the run game. He needs a run game that makes his pass game, you know, more than effective.


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[Assistant] But I think when you just have to lean on that itself, this is something I've said for.


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[Assistant] You know, I think Pete would vouch for me. You would vouch for me early on in our, you know, our match-up and relationship here.


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[Assistant] You know, this was always something I questioned to a degree. But I don't like how people sometimes put down Greg Roman because of that. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses as an offensive coordinator. Not many people could develop a running game as effective as the Ravens have had here. Exactly right. It's creative. It's really smart. That's the route that... Or wouldn't dare, too. No, maybe not.


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[Assistant] Exactly. This is the way that the Ravens and John Harbaugh want to attack and play football. So yes, when the run game is demolished by injuries, it makes them go into a corner of their playbook where it's like, it's not their best thing. And you know, again, it's like, it's like, it's like,


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[Assistant] You know, and again, I don't wanna, Andy Reid's one of the greatest offensive minds of all time, but all the receivers get hurt, right? And there's nobody, like, and now they have to rely on, we gotta run the ball like 50% of the time. They're not gonna be real good. They're not gonna be what you think they're gonna be. It's gonna be tough.


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's where I, I don't love that, but I think Swish B.


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[Assistant] You are right. There's no doubt about it. They are a little too basic and predictable that way. Uh, but it's because they rely on the run game and, and maybe they'll, maybe they'll, maybe he's got a few more ideas this year. Maybe he's got a few things to throw, you know, at defenses and, and we'll see where, I do think it's grown over the last two or three years where I've gone, huh.


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[Assistant] There's some things I like here and there where I go, that's pretty damn good.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a unique situation. I mean, again, it is. Now, I think if it was any other place, we would all be going like, what the hell are they doing? What's going on? But as I've said before, Belichick could coach the offense.


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[Assistant] He obviously thinks that these two guys can make the adjustments. Joe Judge, Matt Patricia. Right. To where yea, they've never coached offense or quarterbacks, but they're really good coaches and they understand the game conceptually, X's and O's and everything.


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[Assistant] You know, at a very elite level. And, and, you know, again, we could look at like Belichick, the great defensive coordinator, and as I've told you before, part of the Jocks McDaniels genius is


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[Assistant] You know, he used to tell Josh, when teams do this to me and my defense, I don't like this. And then Josh would write it down and be like, oh, okay, Bill doesn't like that. Let me change this and do that. And then Shanahan's the same way.


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[Assistant] You know, he could probably coach the defense. He really could. And he knows what they don't like to see in certain formations and sets. And when they play that defense, ooh, if I call this play, it really stresses their rules out. So they're going to find ways to be really good here. I don't want to say really good.


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[Assistant] A lot of the teams have the same plays. How do you dress it up?


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[Assistant] You know, how's a play that you call, you know, two or three times every game? How do you make sure the defense doesn't know you're going to call it the next week?


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[Assistant] You know, it made it look a little different. And then the timing and rhythm and sequencing so important. And that's where the great offensive play callers really are great. They, hey, I gave them this and I gave them this and then, ooh, I.


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[Assistant] Fake like I was giving this and we had that off of it and oh no now their heads are about to explode. Can they do that? I don't know. We gotta see. They're gonna be really well coached in the basics and still fundamentally really good.


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[Assistant] I'm as interested as anybody. I am. And it's certainly one of the things to watch out here early in the year. I have a hard time thinking their offense is going to look as good as last year right off the bat. I do. I have a hard time there. And then, you know, the last party said, why are they switching from a zone running scheme?


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[Assistant] They've had the zone running scheme in there. They've always been a man-to-man blocking scheme. They've always been. This is Bill Belichick.


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[Assistant] And you know, Bill Parcells and an old school giant, so they want to block down and pull guards and smash them out. They've been more of a man blocking scheme. And I think there's been talk about, you know, they want to even be more of that. And they are, it doesn't fit their...


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[Assistant] You know, for the most part, you know, Trent Brown, he's not Mr. Athletic zone blocking guy. He's more like, let me just clear this out and now a guard come out here and kick this guy out and do it that way. Uh, so they've always been, I think a little bit more man than, than zone from that standpoint.


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[Assistant] It is, it is tough to gauge. They can't be playing Seattle 3 all the time. I know that. If they fall in that trap, they're going to be torn to pieces. They have to be a little more versatile on the defensive side of the ball. I was kind of saying that last week. I mean, we just saw in the Atlanta game last week, they game plan some things for Seattle 3 and people were wide open in the preseason game.


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[Assistant] Sauce Gardner though, you know, he's perfect for Seattle 3. That's what he's made for. I question...


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[Assistant] Like if you had to make him play man to man all the time, he's long, you know, he's fast straight away, change of direction. I'm not sold that he can be like on Rivas Island all game long. All right. So that's the big thing. But hey, there's coaches in football that go, I don't, I would never.


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[Assistant] Draft a corner in the top five if I was a Seattle three scheme, because we're not asking them to play man to man a lot. It's press them and stay on top of them. So, you know, this is, that's a good conversation for sure.


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[Assistant] I did, I looked a little bit more than Garrett Wilson, certainly. Yes, I did.


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[Assistant] It's hard to tell too. It's very basic to this point with these guys. And they're not on the field a whole lot. But damn, he looks fast and he can put his foot in the ground and really run some routes. Uh, I'm excited to see what he can do.


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[Assistant] Well, there could be, but it's just like, you know, not everybody wants to give a higher pick and pay Jimmy $25 million a year when they're out. And like most teams in football, every team in football goes, but they're going to release this guy. So why would I do that?


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[Assistant] And he's not so talented that you just go, we're going to blow our room up here. So there's not a lot of spots. Seattle, you think about that. Okay. People bring that up. I don't know if Seattle is going to go that route. They've seen Jimmy G in person. And then, you know, I do think people question how good Jimmy G is. Like, I know he's good, but it's got to be the right support system around him.


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[Assistant] He's had McDaniels and Shanahan make him look really, really good. You know, like I say, he goes up to Seattle, he's gonna look physically lesser than Gino and Drew Lock.


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[Assistant] Bigger, stronger, faster, have better arms, you know. So I, I, I don't know. The team I look at is the Houston Texans. I do.


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[Assistant] Like, they have Davis Mills and they're probably like, wait, if we gotta keep Davis and he's our starter, okay, we're not gonna give up a second round pick and pay, you know, $25 million. So, I don't know where this is gonna go. I know they made the comments.


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[Assistant] Like, uhm, the owner made a comment last week, like, you know, anything he could, you know, could still be on our roster and all that. And Shanahan kinda said the same thing. Well, I just wanna say, like, challenge flag.


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[Assistant] That makes no sense. He could still be on the roster, then you better start getting him practicing. What are we doing? Why isn't he going to be your backup then? He's just, you're going to make him on the roster and suit him up week one without like doing anything the whole preseason? That doesn't make sense. So they're going to, I would be shocked if they don't release him at some point. I mean, I would be shocked. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know who he would be referring to with a good motion who misses more often. See, this is where it's like, you can't always look at numbers and completion percentage. How about degree of difficulty of throws? Like Mahomes and Josh Allen are gonna...


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[Assistant] I would probably never be 71% throwers because they're going to throw some balls where the rest of football is just going to go, I wouldn't even try that. I would never do that off my back foot sidearm 30 yard out route. Like, Oh, so it was an incomplete pass. Like, yeah, yeah. Right. So, you know, there's a difference there.


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[Assistant] You know, the, the, the routes we're talking about with Lance, like, are basic NFL routes. It's a slant route that's off target. It's a, it's an in-cut, uh, down the middle that's off target, where I go, Mahomes and Allen, and, and those guys with a natural motion, they do it in their sleep.


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[Assistant] So that's, that's why I'm holding him to that regard as of right now. You know, again, if he starts slamming those in there and making that a machine and then starts missing some of the crazy high degree difficulty throws, I don't take, you know, I don't look at that and go, oh,


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[Assistant] Well, he's got an accuracy problem. That's when I'll start to go, you know, the dude's special and he's trying to make a few throws every now and then that are just like only a few guys can make. If that makes sense.


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[Assistant] I don't doubt that at all. I don't doubt that at all. And then, you know, again, couple that with, hey, it's game day, it's a real game and Shanahan's game planning and now he's really, you know, right now he's probably trying to make him do everything a little bit. Let's see what he's good, bad at and he'll formulate his plan to where, okay, now we get in the regular season.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to ask him to do some of those things that I'm not so sure he was great at in practice and that. And yes.


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[Assistant] You know, with that defense, yeaah, they're a freak show. So I'm sure there's some days where it's like, whoa, that's, that's, uh, that didn't look good today. Well, okay. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're, they're, they're one of the better defenses in football. There's no question about that.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Right, right. And you know, we had this conversation a little bit before the podcast where it's like, you know, and we talked about just because you got a top five roster.


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[Assistant] Doesn't mean you're necessarily a top five team. I don't think so. You know, again, you know, you can match it up where, where this team's roster completely is not as good as this team, but they put their resources in a spot.


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[Assistant] That makes sense for the way they're coached and how they play. The scheme they play. The scheme they play and how that goes to where, yeaah, I maybe as a whole, and if we all had a generic coach I would take this roster, but


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[Assistant] On this team with this coach, this roster makes sense in a lot of ways, right? You can't have it all always and it's a balancing act in the modern NFL.


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[Assistant] I actually found my top 5 pretty easy. It's 6 through 10 as we were, you know, that I was like, oh my gosh, I felt like I had, you know, 6 through 14 where I was like, oh my gosh, this is nitpicky here, right?


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[Assistant] But I, I found my top five when I got into it. For the most part I went, mmm.


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[Assistant] Their O-line, I think, is gonna be back, you know, with Linderbaum into it. Jawan Jones, James at right tackle, even though it's not him, it's Morgan Moses. Zeitler, still good guard. Ronnie Stanley, before he got hurt a few years ago, was the best left tackle in football. You know, now he's gotta battle that out, probably with Trenton Williams. And then, tight end play special.


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[Assistant] You know, running backs, very good. Now a little bit not healthy yet, but I'm kind of like, okay, let's week four, they're going to be healthy and ready to go. Gus Edwards, J.K. Dobbins will be hitting on all cylinders.


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[Assistant] Patrick Queen, the secondary. I mean, when you talk about Kyle Hamilton with Marcus Williams and then, you know, Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Peters, they just go, holy shit. Yeaah, so I'm gonna put the Ravens in the top five. Yeaah, Jaylen Armour Davis, my guy there. Yeaah, yeaah.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm expecting Adafio away to be like a real force on the edge. I know he was good last year, but I'm looking at him going, I think this is like, he becomes like one of the better edge pass rushers in football this year. So, you know, I'm projecting a little bit there and listen, I'm not mad at you for what you're saying there.


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[Assistant] They're in my, they're in my, they're not in my top 5, but they were in my top 10 for sure.


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[Assistant] You know, he was good. I liked the way he looked. You know, I think he's going to make the step and be better too. And Truncie Gardner-Johnson is a hell of a nickelback. So, you know, I think the Saints are the forgotten team in the NFC where I just go, watch out for them.


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[Assistant] Alright, Kansas City Chiefs, Kansas City. Uhm, first off, I think the receivers are damn good across the board. I know there's no Tyree kill, but I just go, well, there's a lot of good ones and it's fine. We know the tight end is special.


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[Assistant] The O-line to me is in the conversation for the best pass protecting O-line in all of football. Then you get into the running backs. They have running backs falling off the tree. Even though none of them might be a superstar, I think they're all kind of good. And I'm, I'm really like McKinnon as you know.


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[Assistant] I'm a, you know, the defense, Chris Jones, arguably the best defensive tackle in football, not named Aaron Donald, and he might actually be right up there in that kind of range with him, you know.


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[Assistant] I'm expecting to see the Frank Clark that we saw towards the end of the season last year. You know why I like the Carlathus guy and how he looks, alright? I even like, uh, the, um, the big, uh, their starting end right now from Michigan. I'm blanking out his name, you know, um, no, Dana, Dana.


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[Assistant] Right, I'm thinking I'm right about that. Oh, hold on. Mike Tana, excuse me, yes. I'm sorry, I pull names off the top of my head all day long. I don't always sit here and look at things like that. Uh, so that, and I love Young Corner.


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[Assistant] Right, and Trent McDuffie so far, I like Ligeria Sneed a lot, and they're two safeties to me.


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[Assistant] You seem good and fast. Yeah, they're all good. I mean, if Jeff Wilson's healthy, you know, the kid they drafted in the fourth round, uh, you know, Price Davis, I mean,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm, I'm with you. Fred Warner to me is the best, I messed up his name, yes. Uh, Fred Warner I think is the best middle linebacker in football. I mean, Nick Bost is in the conversation for one of the best defensive players in football. Yes. You know, and some of the young guys that they have, like, I like them, so.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm, I'm not mad at you at all. And even, you know, I don't think, you know, I like that they have Travarious Word who's been a little banged up. That's gonna help the corner position. And even the safeties, you know, and this is another name I'm gonna blow, Ahmed, you know. We're getting to that point in the podcast.


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[Assistant] Who Funga from USC who I had my eye on and you know, he shed weight and got faster and I project him to be a pretty damn good player and you know, uh, so, so yes, there's, there's, I'm not mad at you there at all and they'll be coming up for me soon. Yea, the question is how high are they for you?


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[Assistant] I just, you know, you, you, it's a little bit like you just said with the 49ers. I mean, O-line, I don't know, it's in the conversation for best in football. D-line, even though there might not be the marquee pass rusher, it's like size and strength by numbers. I mean, Darius Slay and Bradbury at corner.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, then you look at the receivers on the outside, like, whoa.


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[Assistant] Time backer's a question a little bit. I'm forgetting about Hasan Reddick too, I should have mentioned. He can be another, you know, he's going to be a nickel third down pass rusher too, that I think is going to add to them. You know, sweat is really good.


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[Assistant] Right? And, and of course we know they got, you know, Big 56 still, that's really damn good too. As you can tell, I'm just blank. Brandon Graham, you know, Derek Barnett, all those, Josh Sweatt, you know, and then Fort, the, the, the D-Tackles are special. So yeah, I, I look at them and you know, I'm, I'm more of a, a whore.


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[Assistant] They were like, they were dancing and they're like the team that I kinda came to was like, are they 10? Are they 11? I'm not sure there. I'm not, I'm not sure. I guess I don't quite put the offensive line quite where you do. I guess I look at it that way.


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[Assistant] The running backs are, it's a very good duo, but I don't, I'm not like, oh, and that puts it over the top for me. And then the receiver, tight end part of it, you know, and then even,


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[Assistant] You're right, I love the rookies. I really do. The Von J. Campbell thing is real. I don't know exactly how to feel about him going in this year.


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[Assistant] You know, and then, yes, Roshon Gary is really damn, I guess I'm, I, there's just, I wish there was a little bit more marquee-ness on the front seven that I'm just not sure about, I guess, to a degree, even though I know it's gonna be a really damn good unit.


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[Assistant] And this is one I could be wrong on. I mean, listen, I, I, I'm maybe, I'm probably one of those guys that's a little lower on the Packers than most people as far as their roster.


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[Assistant] No question. They might be a, Rogers be efficient.


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[Assistant] We're gonna run the ball a little bit more and defense, you know, hold them to 17 and we'll win every game.


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[Assistant] And they certainly could be that style, for sure. Uhm, but yeaah, you know, the Bakatiari situation scares me a little bit, I guess. The fact that it's still this long into it and we're still not back. Uhm, yeaah, it just, they're one I'm a little torn with, I guess, altogether. You know, Preston Smith, I did not think had like,


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[Assistant] You know, the greatest year of the last two years. I think he was better last year than he was two years ago. Uh, so I guess that's what my, my concern is with them a little bit, but the wide receiver thing is definitely a big issue too as well. Like you said, he was activated from the pop list. Yes, that's good. That's good. That's good to hear to getting back. All right.


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[Assistant] Bucks. I'm gonna go with the bucks. And even though like, man, the injury in the middle there is a little scary with me, for sure.


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[Assistant] I, I just go, okay, weapons, yes. You know, running back, I know not like special, but still good enough and gonna be able to play the style of football they want.


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[Assistant] Defensive line, I think is where I'm like just blown away by them. Linebacker, I'm blown away.


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[Assistant] You know, safety, I love Antoine Winfield. I think their corners are a little underrated. So...


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[Assistant] I look at the Bucs as a team that, yeaah, I just look at them and go, holy shit, there's a lot of damn good players on their football team across the board where they have explosiveness and size and power to kind of play either game. Like, oh, we gotta play a little bit of a fast team here, we can do that. Oh, we gotta play a, like, slug it out and overpower you type of thing. They can do that too.


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[Assistant] So, I'm a big fan of the Bucks roster, as you can see. I mean, I just have a hard time thinking that they won't be...


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[Assistant] You know, and not that, you know, I, I, listen, I know they have Brady, but if, if they didn't have Brady, and they just had a good quarterback, right, I'd still go, fuck, the Bucks are gonna be a handful this year. They're, they're just legit across the board. Carlton Davis to me is, is really damn good.


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[Assistant] Jamel Dean is really damn good. Sean Murphy Bunting is really damn good to me. And then the D-line is, when you just take Vita Vey and Akeem Hicks and Shaq Barrett and


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[Assistant] Joseph try, you know, try on Cheyenne co and now Logan hall and you add him to the mix and it just, I guess it's the killer aspect again that I look at to go, damn, there's just so many big killers on their team. Uh, and then the weapons on the outside that I love and you know, Devin white to me is still one of the best linebackers in football. And I guess that's where I kind of look at it.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think they would be. I think, you know, the team that's coming up is going to be number one now that I've already kind of said that there's a team that we're missing here. But yeah, I mean, the tight end thing I think is going to be good as they're missing Gronk, but they're going to be good there. But yeah, the offensive line thing


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[Assistant] It was hard for them just because too, it's just like, okay, wait, I know I haven't seen these guys, but they, they seem to have an eye for the old line. So I guess I'm trusting it a little bit too.


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[Assistant] With going, okay, you know, the kid from Notre Dame is going to be real. He'll be all right. He's going to be good. Uh, you know, with Kean O'Neal and Mike Edwards at safety, I guess there's just, there's too many physical killers that I looked at on their team not to have them up here. You know what?


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[Assistant] I'm not as high on that. That was the thing that scared me with them. That was the thing that scared me. The receiver scared me a little with them and put them over the edge. I am afraid Amari Cooper outside in the cold on grass, which he never performs well, is gonna be not as existent as we think he should be. That's the only weakness, but you have the running backs in the office.


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[Assistant] I love Owusu Koromoa, but I'm not sure about the other linebacker. Alright? And then...


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[Assistant] You know, hey, I like the tight end. I do, but I think it's still a little bit of a projection, I guess.


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[Assistant] You know, everything else you said is right. That's where it was tough. I mean, it was tough. They're a team that is certainly on my list here of these.


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[Assistant] Uh, and they were in the top 10-ish for sure, but I just, I couldn't put them in my top 5. And I guess the D-line is what ultimately scared me from them more than anything. D-line and wide receiver is what scared me from putting them in my top 5. Uhm, and your number 1 is the 49ers. They're just the 49ers, I just like...


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[Assistant] I think it is, it's them or the Eagles are the best old line. You know, the Browns are right there with them. So, but to me, they just have everything in that standpoint. And then you got George Kittle.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, Ayuk and Debo Samuel. It is very special, those two. And you even add in, you know, the kid Gray from SMU who can fly, right? So I look at that and just go, shit, okay, he's damn good.


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[Assistant] The D line, you know, I'm, I'm projecting like Jevon Kinlaw to be a fucking killer a little bit. And I think Nick Bosa, as we talked about, is...


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[Assistant] Unquestionable, like, one of the best defensive players in football. Right. You know? I have faith in the other guy, the other guys on the edge. You know, of course Eric Armstead's amazing. Warner, I think, is the best middle linebacker in football.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I get into that. I talked about the safeties a little earlier here. You know, a legerious, needed corner. I like that aspect of it. So I, I just, I look at them and I, and the running backs, I just go, shit.


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[Assistant] I couldn't go Rams that high. Rams did not make my top ten. Think they're too top heavy? They're too top heavy.


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[Assistant] You know, this is where the conversation's really good about, doesn't mean they can't be a top 10 or top 16. Because the way they're coached and the way they play and McVeigh can hide some of the offense aligned deficiencies and you know, they're creative on defense and you know,


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[Assistant] Alright, and yeaah, you know, I think I, I think, I don't know, just yeaah, they scared me from that aspect. Jalen Ramsey, still awesome, but I, you know, again, that was a playoff not to remember by him, whether it was the Bucks game or the Super Bowl, that scared me a little bit. Yeaah, it's a little top heavy to your point, I think


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[Assistant] They were in, they're in my, they, I like, I wrote the number 8 down for them, you know, as my rough, my rough, you know, top 10 there. But yea, I mean, cause I think they've improved the O-line, the receivers are damn good. Running back, we know they got one of them, I don't know who else the other one's gonna be.


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[Assistant] You know, linebacker, I question a little, right? Kenneth Murray, can he be a guy that really helps them out? You know, they got What's His Face from, uhm,


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[Assistant] The, uhm, the rams, uhm, I'm gonna blank on his d-


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[Assistant] No, they got Sebastian Drossaday too, but they got the, the linebacker, uh, from, from the Rams too. Hold on. You know, Reader, Troy Reader. Thank you very much. Way to go. They got him. You know, we know the secondary is going to be damn good. Asante Samuel, J.C. Jackson, Dermond James. Holy shit.


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[Assistant] I did. It was rough. It was rough. I didn't feel like I wanted to go. I didn't get to spend, like, as much time on it as I would have liked to with traveling to Buffalo, so I was a little scared, like, getting to the top ten weeds of that department there.


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[Assistant] You know, the titans, the browns, and the colts. What do I do with those? And that's where it was like, I got tight there.


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[Assistant] So I, you know, and, and so I was, I was in the air a little bit about that, that one a little bit. The Titans I wanted to put in the top 10 and I just, cause I like a lot about them, but the O-line has got a few new pieces.


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[Assistant] Uh, the secondary doesn't blow me away.


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[Assistant] They got great pass rushers and we know they're running back and the receiver thing scares me a little. So that's where I just was like, okay. But again, the way they're coached, the style of play they play. And I, you know, again, I could certainly see them being a top five, top 16 in football.


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[Assistant] So it was a very interesting, you know, and you know, I think what too is, you know, we don't get into these conversations a little bit. It's like we hit on all the big names, like with the 49ers being our one and our two.


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[Assistant] And the bucks, we don't even get into some of the backups and that's where you just go, holy shit, like some of the backups are, they're insane. And when this guy's off the field on the D line, this guy's going to be in and they're going to have no problem there. So that's where it just gets into like, you look at the complete roster.


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[Assistant] You know, eh, you know, hey, the Emanuel Mosley's and the Dante Johnson's for the 49ers. You know, adding, you know, a Ken Crowley maybe helps them out this year.


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[Assistant] It just, there's, there's a lot of names to look at to where we go. We didn't hit on with some of these guys. Use check. Right. Drake Jackson. They got Buford on the starting guard. You know, Aaron Banks goes into the, the starting guard position this year. So that's where it's just like, uh,


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[Assistant] It's, it's, to me, they're, they're, they're a special team that way. Dre Greenlaw, Greenlaw, I can't believe I forgot to say his name. You know, their duo is maybe...


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[Assistant] Up there with the best in football. So sorry to spout off there one more time. The last team in my top 10.


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[Assistant] They were the other team I should have thrown in there where I was like, man, Bills, Colts, you know, Titans, are they 10? But they got pieces and things and right where they should be. I guess I want to see their defense align a little bit. I think it's going to be real good. I think it's definitely going to be bigger and more powerful.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't, not sold Greg Rousseau is gonna be a huge killer on the edge. You know, I like the way Kyra Elam looks.


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[Assistant] I think Jordan Poyer's kind of coming to the end a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, there's another one. I was really, that was a really tough one with me. I, you know, their roster's better. They're a better football team for sure.


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[Assistant] And they were in that top 10-ish for me. You know, the Dolphins are maybe a team I'm a little too high on because maybe I'm projecting a little bit with...


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[Assistant] You know, I think Jalen Phillips is going to be a real force off the edge. But damn, I know what Rayquan Davis and, and uh, Christian Wilkins are in the middle and the offensive line has some question. But damn, we know the receivers and the running backs and the corners and the, I mean,


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[Assistant] The corners and Jevon Holland at safety. So this was a really good, I welcome people to question this and have this conversation because this is, this is a good exercise.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. Uh, Colts for sure. Colts were the team, like I said, that I had in there with, like, the Colts, the Browns, the Titans, you know, where I was like, uh, the Bills, like, maybe that's ten, or maybe they're nine, right? That's where I kind of had that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, who was the other team you said there? Broncos. I'm not, I'm not sold on the Broncos. I'm not. There's way, there's too much projection. Don't love their old line. We think their receivers are gonna be good. You know, I like their running backs. Their defense is a line I got questions about.


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[Assistant] You know, I like their secondary, it ascertains the real deal that I should have made him number one on the draft a few years ago. But it's like, is Bradley Chubb gonna be what I think he's gonna be? I guess there's just some of those kind of questions I got with them a little bit.


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[Assistant] The other team that I roughly run on the list to, but it's young, is the Jaguars.


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[Assistant] The Jaguars, to me, are a team that's, it's, again, like, on paper. The love affair continues. I know. I just look at them and go, you know, they're young, but man, there's, there's no position I look at to go, they're gonna be physically overwhelmed there. And I think that's, you know, cool, but, you know, again, that's where it's on paper and reality are two different things a little bit.


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[Assistant] We made a jump here in the last week. We did. Yeaah. I was like, last week I was like, holy shit, we're never gonna get there. 27,000 people. They're probably all homies. I hope so. I hope so. Alright, so we need 23,000 more homies to help us out. Help out Ahmed so he doesn't have to read this anymore, okay?


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[Assistant] Yep. Yep. Damn. You know, this roster thing's really got me thinking too. You gotta just like, you know.


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[Assistant] We will. Next time. Next week we can, for sure. So yeaah, I like your top 5. The only one I really don't love in your top 5. Packers.


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[Assistant] I know. That's it. Other than that, you know, but, but I'm sure people will question mine as well. Like I said, I felt really good about my top 5. It's the next, it's, it's,


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[Assistant] Hey, we got a good weekend of preseason football. Lots to, you know, talk about. We'll hit some of that on Monday. On Monday, though, we're going to do our AFC over-under win totals and AFC playoff bracket. I'm going to go out there and say my, you know, who's going to be the seven teams in the AFC. Wednesday, we'll


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[Assistant] Do that same exercise with the NFC. Continue to hit on news around the league and everything else that way. So everybody be good. Enjoy the weekend. You know I will.


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[Assistant] Hit us up with all the questions. Please disagree with us on some of our roster stuff and we'll talk about that.


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[Assistant] Oh, we, we do have to pass this along. So we're going to get to a new, new ranking for you. Yes. We did the quarterbacks. We did the super brawl. Much controversy everywhere. And then we had a month off. We had the super brawl playing out.


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[Assistant] If you're listening to this, with no video, you don't have to worry about anything. Oh, look at that. But if you're watching now, Kristen's running a promo right now. Now they're showing a promo. Ooh, and subscribe to PFT Live. How come they use that shot?


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[Assistant] They talk about it all the time. This is hair, shaggy hair. So the good thing about this too is that when you subscribe and you click the bell for notifications, you get the notification, but you'll always know it's football. It's just all football.


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[Assistant] Could be Mike, could be Florio. You don't like Mike, you're in trouble. Downfall. But, it's gonna be football content on our YouTube channel, NFL on NBC. One final thing here, lockdown cornerback.


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[Assistant] Says, anything fun happen during your vacation? Glad you guys are back. I did have something fun happen during our vacation, which wasn't much of a vacation for me. I was in Philadelphia yesterday. Our baseball package on Peacock continues. I was hanging out with former Yankee great.


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[Assistant] Nick Swisher, Bundle of Energy. Uh, we're in Philadelphia and it was on the field, as you can see here. The thermometer said 120 degrees and he had no cares in the world.


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[Assistant] I did. Yea, how could you not? I mean, I do in a studio that's climate controlled. Yea, right. So how am I not on the field? That's brutal. Yea. But it was fun. It was a good game. Phillies lost. They're in trouble now. They've lost three in a row to start the second half. Yea. Enough baseball.


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[Assistant] The baseball's been fun. It's been traveling every weekend. So I was in Toronto not that long ago at the Skydome Rocker Center now, which is cool. When's the last time you've been to Toronto? What a great city.


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[Assistant] It was awesome. It was a cool city, and so we've been, we've been all around, we've been in DC, we've been in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, so it's Miami, so it's honestly been really fun. Alright, good, good. Uhm, but now we're moving on to football. Let's do it!


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[Assistant] And, uh, time to get back to work here. This is Neil Watch's PFT, which he has not been able to do for the past, what, five weeks? Could today for the first time. He goes, Chris, are you planning on doing another wide receiver top 10? It was so much fun in previous years. It wasn't for you, Neil.


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[Assistant] So let's show your list. The last time you did this. Two years ago. Was two years ago. Right. It was 2020 when we were looking for things to do as well. Yep. Uh, you did a top ten wide receiver. Might have been. Was it, did we do it right before the year? Was it?


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[Assistant] July 21st of, yeaah, so almost wow, you're right, like four days past two year anniversary of when this came out.


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[Assistant] So for those who are listening, let me, let me just read through it. I'll go through the top 10. We'll start at number one. Tyreke Hill, Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, Mike Evans, DeAndre Hopkins, Odell Beckham, AJ Green, Amari Cooper was eight, Stefan Diggs was nine, Cortland Sutton was 10.


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[Assistant] And Devonte Adams is down there also receiving votes at 37. That's not true. You're funny.


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[Assistant] I get that, but I'm saying it is, it's, we all like to think like the numbers will end up evening out. It'll rise to the level of the talent, right? You're like, I know you don't have the quarterback, but if you're that good of a receiver, you're gonna make it work anyway. You're gonna figure out a way to make it work. It's just not possible in football, right? You just can't control it.


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[Assistant] What was the receiver that you wanted? Who did you want? Did you want the big tall guy that could get those 50-50 balls or did you want the guy that you'd hit on a slant and could take it, you know, 60 yards?


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[Assistant] And two years ago Tyreke Hill was number one for you, explosive speed, game changer, doesn't have that jump ball 50-50 ability, but was still number one because he did all that other stuff so well.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's do it. We've made the homies wait long enough. Let's do it. Your top five wide receivers of 2022 going into the year. Yeah, right. You reserve the right to change your mind during the year.


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[Assistant] Well, that's the funny thing. If you said this last year, people would be like, what? Cooper Cup's top 5. Now you're gonna say it and they're gonna go, what?


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[Assistant] Alright. Pete's on it right now. He, he led the NFL last year with 1,947 yards. The next closest was Justin Jefferson with 1,600. He is 6'2", 2'08". Yeaah. 6'2". Yeaah. I mean, that's big. I mean, I think some people would think Cooper Cup under 6 feet.


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[Assistant] In 2020, he was under 1000 yards, did have a thousand yard season in 2019, but nothing compared to what he did last year at 1900. So he led the league in receiving yards and receptions. We'll talk a little bit about who you think could, uh, challenge him maybe, maybe this year, but he's number five.


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[Assistant] Alright, so he's grown two inches since Pro Football Reference last, uh, last measured him.


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[Assistant] Maybe they're like, oh, we can have our slot, you know, our nickel guy cover him. Cause he's only 6'1". Show up on game day, he's 6'3". Wow. Well, we'll get to the bottom of that, either way. But hey, I can confirm his yards after catch.


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[Assistant] Averaged a four and a half this past year. He was like five the year before. So that actually did go down a little bit. Yards after catch.


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[Assistant] So I don't know your full list, but I'm assuming Stefan Diggs is not in your top five. He's not. So when he, when the Vikings let him go, you draft Justin Jefferson, you're like, maybe he can replace him. Hopefully he can't replace Stefan Diggs. Well, turns out here we are two years later, he replaced it and then


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[Assistant] This has been pretty good. 1600 yards last year in a run first offense with Delvin Cook there. He was number two in receiving yards. Number three in receiving yards.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be fascinating, right? Just to see how different he looks.


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[Assistant] With a new quarterback, and with Tua now, obviously a step down from Patrick Mahomes, and uhm,


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[Assistant] Part of it is too, he's 28 years old, the last guy, what, Justin's 23 I think still, he's still super young. It just illustrates what a young man's game football still is, right? And almost for Tyreek, the fact that he's dropped from 1 to 3 is not a big, I mean, it just shows you, it's almost like when you get to be the number 1 player at your position, it's downhill from there.


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[Assistant] You think that we're gonna be able to see Tyreke make some jaw-dropping plays? Will they get as much out of Tyreke Hill as the Chiefs were able to get?


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[Assistant] So Tyreek Hill, not number one, but he is still in your top three. Not in your top two, which we're at right now. Top two wide receivers in 2022.


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[Assistant] Part of his value too is how effective he was at running the football. Sometimes running even between the tackles, running right up the middle. Kyle used him in various ways like that. How many rushes did he have?


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[Assistant] You believe reports out there. Yeaah. I think Ian Rappaport reported this not that long ago, that what he is hearing is that some of the issues that Deebo is, is having, uhm, and who knows if this is true or not. Yeaah, I don't know this. Is that maybe he doesn't have the desire to do that anymore. We don't know, I mean, who knows if that's true, if that's the real story, if that's the whole story. Yeaah. But just take for a fact that, take, say it is. Yeaah. Say he doesn't want to do that anymore. Yeaah. That's a big part of his value, or at least some part of his value.


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[Assistant] Both on the same team. Both of the receivers where when they catch the ball and they have a desire, which I'm not questioning their desire, but it's the end of the game. They need the big game. It's like, those guys seem like two of the hardest guys to take down in football. Like the desire that want to, you know, not just pure physical brute strength, but just a desire and enough strength.


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[Assistant] So real quick, how do you think it's going to play out here? Because there was a time where he did request a trade, right? You're tight with Kyle. Give us the inside scoop.


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[Assistant] That's insane. Yeah. What was it? They had, uh, yeah, well, yeah, I don't exactly know.


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[Assistant] He wouldn't make my top six. We'll get into your honorable mentions here in a second. Right. But first, this is the crescendo. The crescendo moment. Blalalalalala. Number one.


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[Assistant] Um, was, was, where should, where should he go? How high should he go? Right? Obviously. Exactly. Penny Sewell. That was the big one. The Lions, you know, they got Penny Sewell at seven. Jamar Chase went at five.


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[Assistant] You say he's the number one wide receiver in football right now. I think a lot of people would agree with you, except for Madden, as you mentioned, right? Wasn't he one of the- He's like 11 or 12! It's crazy. Uhm, it went Trevor Lawrence, it went Zach Wilson, it went Trey Lance, it went Kyle Pitts, it went Jamar Chase. Knowing what you know now, how high would you reasonably take Jamar Chase?


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[Assistant] You have to think about it though, like if you're Jacksonville, I don't know, you need that franchise quarterback, I get it, I get it. But man, if you, you're talking number one wide receiver in football.


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[Assistant] Getting one of those top five receivers is still super valuable. Even though there's a bunch of honorable mentions here, Devonte Adams, AJ Brown, Stefan Diggs, you know, that are very, very good receivers. You still think that having one of those top five that you mentioned, those elite of the elite is a, is a difference maker. It is. It's a game changer.


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[Assistant] Devontae Adams does go out there and if that's true about the coaching and they're able to find more ways to get them open and, and, and he has almost even a better year statistically than he did with Green Bay. There are going to be a lot of people saying, man, it was Devontae. He's the number one receiver. He's done it with Aaron Rodgers. Now he went over and did it in Las Vegas.


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[Assistant] That's just not always the way. You know, uh, do we have, Pete, do we have that tweet from Devante from, uh, from last year?


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[Assistant] Do we have that, uh, do we have that anywhere? Because I almost feel like, uh, It's coming back. It's gonna come back. It's gonna come back. I feel like we could get this one back. So this is what.


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[Assistant] Uh, we could get that, we could get another response from Devante. Who seems like a nice guy, actually.


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[Assistant] He was 9 for 90 against the 49ers, no touchdowns. He was 9 for 67 with a touchdown in 2020 against Tampa. Did have a touchdown against the Rams in 2021, I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] Okay, cool. I like that. I like that. You've come back with a top five list here. Pete's got a question. Russell Wilson went from DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, who both made your honorable mention, to Cortland Sutton and Jerry Judy, who did not. So why is everyone acting like he upgraded his supporting cast?


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[Assistant] Do you think next season will be the season a wide receiver breaks the 2,000 yards mark? And who is the favorite to do it? Alright, two questions in that one. So points bet's got the odds to lead the NFL.


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[Assistant] In receiving yards this season, I would imagine Cooper cup is up there. Yes, he is up there plus 800. He is a co-top pick, co-favorite to do it along with Justin Jefferson and Jamar chase. All of them are plus 800. Devante Adams one below. You say he's going to see a lot of balls. CD lamb is right there too.


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[Assistant] Uh, Stefan Diggs, Kelsey Hill, Debo, Mike Evans. That's the order of the points bet odds. So two questions there. Number one, let's just start with who do you think is the favorite to lead the NFL in receiving yards?


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[Assistant] It was 8th in the NFL last year, Stephon Diggs, in receiving yards with 1,225. Uhm, anyone get 2,000? No, I don't think anyone's in 2,000. Almost happened last year.


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[Assistant] Let controversy begin. It's about time we started a new one on, uh, Chris Simpson's Twitter account. The top five wide receivers are out there. You know who else is out there? Who's out there? Peter King. Bam! Peter King is out there. By train, by car, and by plane. Oh. I hear he's taking it all. I don't know about trains. Trains, planes, and automobiles? No trains. You don't think?


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[Assistant] Yes. If he takes a train, I'm gonna be mad that you guys talked me off of that train thing. Right. Uh, but he's out doing the training camp tour. It's always fun when he does this. He's on his annual training camp tour. It has already given us some viral moments. He's the best. I think we have that.


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[Assistant] So, he still didn't get it. So if you're listening and not watching, as Peter was wrapping up with Josh Allen right there, uh, he was extending his hand to do a handshake. We counted it. It was eight seconds. He left Josh Allen hanging. Eight seconds.


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[Assistant] On NBC can also hear his interviews on the Peter King podcast. You can scri- uh, subscribe wherever you download your podcast. Peter King is out there on cars and on planes and we'll see. We don't think on trains, but maybe one day. Want to talk about the super brawl bracket.


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[Assistant] Because we do this as a fun thing. We do, you know, it's a fun, it's, uh, you do your top 40 quarterbacks. And so it was a year ago that I was like, well, why don't we do another thing in conjunction with that list? And it was you pair the coach with the quarterback and you say, who's going to win in a bar room fight. Yeah. You know, and I determined with my rankings and my seedings.


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[Assistant] Dead last in the NFL was Tua and Mike McDaniel. Not that they're not tough, I just thought that they would lose brutally in a fight to every other quarterback and coach combination in the NFL. You know who did not agree with me? The, uh, the Finn's Twitter mob. No doubt.


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[Assistant] Especially when they see it attached to my name. So we did, we did voting. You probably say if you, if you're listening to the podcast, you probably follow Chris. You probably saw it all over Twitter. You got to vote on who would win in a fight and Finn's Twitter.


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[Assistant] Just, uh, was showing up in droves from round one, all the way through the final round. You see it. They beat Josh Allen and Sean McDermott in the final. They're 54 to 45. Good showing by Bill's mafia. Of all the, of all the Twitter crews, they were second to the Finns crew.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's disputable. Jason's got a shot of two here running over number 30. Who's that for the Jets?


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[Assistant] You know, there was some, uh, there was some hate, you know, spewed on there too, and I don't like that, but there was passion. Yeah. And they are defending their team. And I will say this, uh, from seeing it firsthand, watching your mentions, I don't think it's, we call them two and on. I don't think that's totally accurate. No, I hear you. I think, I think this is dolphin on.


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[Assistant] I think no matter who the quarterback was, if they were slighted by you, I think they would show up on your doorstep in droves. It's just me though. It has to be me. It's probably just you. It's probably just you think.


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[Assistant] Great notes. The big question now, will the Dolphins repeat as Super Brawl champions next season when they have a new quarterback? So Pete's really curious to see what happens, uh, when, uh, Tua's Nola. No, we don't know that that's gonna happen.


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[Assistant] He does it again. Yeah, the one time I do the work, I don't even get the hate for it. So I do like that. I do like that. Alright, so I think we're gonna save the Ask Me Anything for Wednesday. Yep. Yeah, that was a pretty, we're at an hour and 30 right now, I think, right? Is that what we did?


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, what's up? Chris Sims here. We're Unbuttoned Podcast. I got my man Ahmed Fareed. Did I say it right? I'm still like, Ahmed, Ahmed, Ahmed. I'm sorry, man. I'm choking under the gun with that.


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[Assistant] No, some of it was. Oh, it was. You've seen some of the reaction. Yeah, one person liked it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's a, it is cool because it gives you some baseline as far as what's going to happen during free agency because the rumors start to spill out about, oh, this guy sounds like, you know, him and this team have a marriage that's working together, whatever it may be. I almost wish they would just open it up for dialogue.


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[Assistant] Really, uh, once the combine's over and just get it out there so we can all talk and be a part of the conversation or whatever it is. Because I think a lot of these teams


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[Assistant] The groundwork is laid at the combine for, you know,


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[Assistant] Team X to meet with Agent Y, okay, and we're gonna talk about... It'd be a good time to do it. Yes, exactly right. Let's, let's start talking. We have a need at this position, you represent this player who plays that position, and that's really where it does get started, but...


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[Assistant] I really, when I hear matchmaker though, I just want to go matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match, find me a fine, catch me a catch. What the hell is that from? What is that from? It's something old.


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[Assistant] That's a good run. I mean, kind of a good run. And then I'm enjoying like some of like the pictures we're seeing on social media, like one of the hockey games.


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[Assistant] Uh, by the Houston Texans, the Seattle Seahawks, Trey Flowers, right? Trey Flowers is one of those guys where we don't know a whole lot about because


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[Assistant] About other players on the roster is all part of the master scheme of Bill Belichick keeping free agents prices down, right? If, if, if you're in New England and you start talking about the team in general in a press conference one day and you start talking about this guy's playing good and that play...


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[Assistant] Well I think that would start getting the New England way to catch on right away in Miami.


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[Assistant] It's always fun, at least for me, I think, uh, to see guys have to go against their ex-teams and to be- Two times. Two times, right? In the division, that would add a little extra spice to the matchup altogether. Trey Flowers would probably be bitter at New England for not paying him the money he wants.


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[Assistant] They're going to want to win because they're rivals with New England as is in Miami. And he's got a head coach who's going to want to teach, you know, the guy who taught him everything. He's going to want to try to win football games that way too. So that's one that jumps out to me right off.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I really do. I mean, I think first of all, that's not crazy. First of all, even just from the football X's and O's standpoint, there's a need at that position for the San Francisco 49ers. San Francisco 49ers run the Seattle defense schematically, so it makes sense there.


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[Assistant] You know, Earl and Richard against Seattle twice a year like we were just talking about with Trey Flowers and they're gonna be disgruntled that they weren't paid or respected enough in the renegotiation period.


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[Assistant] That to me makes great rivalries. Great rivalries have to have something personal.


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[Assistant] That's why like the first time the Seattle Seahawks in the 49ers, it was like Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh and they had the little beef in college that spilled over, but I'm with you there and I think it makes actually a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] I mean, between the three young whippersnappers at coach, right? You got like,


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[Assistant] The top free agent on the market, everything he can do on the offensive side of the football, you know, running back, slash slot receiver, uh, dependable, you know, hey, he's had one injury in his career. There's two teams that jumped out to me.


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[Assistant] Where I would like, love to see. And of course, again, I think, I think it has to play into the rivalry thing a little bit. Like, I was gonna say Ravens, cause I was like, eh, that'd be cool if he went to Baltimore with the Lamar Jackson. But I think the one I really wanna see even more than that, I want him to stay in state. I want him to go to Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] I think that would even be cooler to see that too. You know, Pittsburgh having to deal with somebody in state having to hear about Leveon Bell going off for the team that's across the state and the other major city.


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[Assistant] Uh, and Le'Veon Bell I think would really fit within that offense.


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[Assistant] The Philadelphia Eagles need somebody they can rely on at the running back position. I mean last year was running back musical chairs to them, injuries, uh, people not performing as well. They were constantly trying to find the right match there.


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[Assistant] They have a pretty good offensive line there. You want to talk about taking hits off of Carson Wentz and making life easier on him. A guy like Le'Veon Bell. Right, and we know like Doug Peterson, who comes from the Andy Reid School of Coaching, that they've had guys like this already with Leshawn McCoy back in the day in Philadelphia. I think they'd really know how to use a Le'Veon Bell.


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[Assistant] It's never easy playing and like, I've made this point before like to Mike Fleury on PFT too. Like, you can be in shape all you want. Being in football shape is a whole other animal altogether. Because, hey, you can go there and have a trainer pushing you and do all that.


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[Assistant] But until, you know, you're on the field and, oh, let's hurry up offense and, oh gosh, I gotta run the ball between the tackles and get crushed and then get back in the huddle real quick and get back to the line of scrimmage and now I gotta run a pass route and then it's back into the huddle and, okay, now I gotta pass protect. I mean, that, like, there is nothing that can get you ready for that working out. You can try as hard as you want.


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[Assistant] You did. I did. Well, you know, listen, again, and this is where my life becomes hard, because like, I've been around Landon Collins, I really like him, the person, and I like him when he's at his best, like at football. 2016, he was in the conversation for NFL Defensive Player of the Year. He was off the charts good. But 2017 was really not good. 2018, last year, was just


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[Assistant] Like it wasn't great in a day and age where safeties are asked to cover and be so much a part of the pass game and speed and things like that.


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[Assistant] That's where Landon Collins hurts a little bit, in my opinion. So, hey, my big thing is, hey, maybe, uh, I know I said something like he's like,


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[Assistant] As he's not a huge difference maker the last two years on the football field. He is not on the upper echelons of safeties.


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[Assistant] That is where I will certainly draw a line and argue with whoever wants to argue with me. He is not in the class of Devin McCourty, Derwin James, Tony Jefferson, Jamal Adams, you know, Lamarcus Joiner, Earl Thomas, Harrison Smith.


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[Assistant] Just to name a few, right there, I think that would go. People go, ooh, yeaah, okay, yeaah, you're right. So, that's why I think the Giants didn't franchise-tag him. I think that's why you're seeing teams. I will be interested to see where he lands and gets paid, uh, altogether when all's said and done. Thanks for bringing that up, though. Thank you very much.


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[Assistant] I think that's exactly probably part of the problem too. Exactly right. Or part of the problem or how to use them. The Giants, they use them at the line of scrimmage a whole lot, but still more in a safety role. But yes.


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[Assistant] People Landon Collins size this day and age is different than like when we grew up where middle linebackers were 6'2 and 250 or 245 pounds.


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[Assistant] It's more of a speed game about that now. I mean, look at the Los Angeles Rams. Mark Barron was their one middle linebacker, who was 225 pounds. Corey Littleton was their other middle linebacker, who was like 220, 222 pounds. So it was predicated on speed.


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[Assistant] It's not about the size, it's about the ability to apply force. And that's where I want to go like, yeah, okay, that's cool. I know you think you look at him and you go, hm, I, I can match up with that guy. But you know, if you went in the weight room and then you saw a guy like Telvin Smith move weights, you'd go,


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[Assistant] Oh wait, I get it now. Whoa. He can squat 500 pounds and he's 220 pounds and he can bench 450 and that's, you know, people forget that aspect too. It's about the ability to apply force. Yeah. Is what makes those guys.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You got any more? Oh, where's my turn? You go. Alright, this is probably my last one too. CJ Mosley, right? CJ Mosley, one of the better middle linebackers in all of football. Baltimore Ravens.


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[Assistant] Uhm, again, probably a guy that's asking for a little too much money.


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[Assistant] In general, but a guy that can play all three downs, he's a little bit more along the traditional lines of linebackers like we talked about. He's 238, 240 pounds, went to Alabama, was in a 3-4 scheme there. Baltimore likes their middle linebackers a little bigger.


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[Assistant] But you know who needs a middle linebacker really bad? The Pittsburgh Steelers. And that is one I would love to see happen. Pittsburgh's not in the greatest


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, they're not in the greatest shape as far as the cap is concerned, but man, can you imagine that? I mean,


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[Assistant] Those were the greatest times in football, the rivalries there because it was personal. You know, their teams weren't changing. My dad had to play Joe Montana every year for six years straight. He hated Joe Montana. He hated the whole damn team. He did? Well yea, cause they were winning Super Bowls and the Giants were only winning one every now and then or whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I get that. And they're, they have some other issues on their offensive line. I mean, as we saw during the, during the end of the season, it wasn't perfect. Uh, and Saffold is certainly, if not their best offensive lineman altogether. So that, that's cute of you though, that it was to keep them together. That was very nice. That was cute. That was a cute talk. Good job.


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[Assistant] Well, we're wondering, because I know you're a guy that practices and is a professional, like, let me hear it. Like, let me hear, how are you going to deliver this? Are you practicing in front of the mirror right now about different ways how to deliver? Gentlemen, start with your options.


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[Assistant] Well, and, and towards the end of the season with Football Night in America, there was a driving simulator NASCAR type of thing, uh, here in the building. And I just, I'm good thing they're not letting coach drive because there was a few accidents


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[Assistant] Alright coach, so let's get into some football topics. I really, there's a few things that have gone on this week that I'm dying to kind of get your take. Uh, the first one, uh, of course the, the elephant in the room, the Kyler Murray situation, the number one draft pick. Will that happen? Arizona Cardinals who took a quarterback at number 10 last year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm all with you there, coach. You know, for me, I mean, yeah, you're exactly right. Your point about you can't pass up a guy if you truly deem him as a special. I would also just like to get your, I think he is special. I think he is that guy. I'm with you. I think the Arizona Cardinals should take him at number one as far as that.


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[Assistant] Have you got a chance to study him or look at him or even if not, what did just when you watch TV, what jumped out to you about Kyla Marie and his game?


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[Assistant] Coach, let's, let's switch gears to a new subject with Antonio Brown. Of course, that conversation and the Pittsburgh Steelers wanting to trade him and how it all unfolds. He hasn't exactly been a choir boy as of lately with some of the Instagram videos and all that. I would just like to get your take just from a coaching standpoint. I guess one,


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[Assistant] Would you want a guy like Antonio Brown, uh, if you were the head coach of a team that was maybe interested in, in trading for a wide receiver? And two, what kind of head coach do you think it takes to be able to handle an Antonio Brown and maybe some of the antics you have to deal with?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm totally with you, coach. I mean, I have the same feeling at your point about Mike Tomlin or Andy Reid. I mean, I know, Mike, I was down in Tampa Bay when you left to become the Indianapolis head coach. I was down there and know Mike Tomlin.


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[Assistant] Right, right. Exactly. Now, you had no, you know, personalities like that when you were with the Indianapolis Colts. But, okay, I mean, I know I spent one year with one of those personalities that you were with in Tampa Bay. You know, Warren Sapp.


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[Assistant] You know, how, how does that, how do you draw the line in the sand to go, okay, I know you're awesome. You're a good player and everything, but I'm not going to let you, you know, run amok with being late for meetings and things like that. How does a head coach deal with the personality like that? Who, cause with a guy that might be, you know, a little different than the rest.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I understand that. You know, there's the flirting period that's coming about, uh, like we were just talking about. You know, I'm just interested, when it did come to free agency,


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[Assistant] Did you, did you know, did you, did you know who was going to be signed even before it started? I mean that for your own team, whether it be the Indianapolis Colts or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. If free agency was say five days away, did you know there was already a semi-deal in place or at least a wink-wink and a handshake?


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, so let's talk about something that really was like maybe too good to be true, okay? What was that? Well, I mean, it's kind of somewhat relevant this week. It's the three year anniversary since Peyton Manning retired, okay? So I've never really asked coach these kind of questions and I am a fan first. I played football, I love following it.


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[Assistant] Coach, so you're in Indianapolis, you get there.


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[Assistant] Peyton Manning's the quarterback. Give us a story or the moment when you realize like, holy cow, this guy is something different. I've never been around anything like this. He's special. Is there that moment that jumps out about coaching Peyton Manning back in those days?


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[Assistant] The preparation just always jumped out. I mean, I always envisioned him like coming over to the sidelines and timeouts and like, you know, usually the quarterback sits there, listens to the offensive coordinator and the head coach and like, hey, what do you want to do? I always envisioned him like,


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[Assistant] Just spitting out and blurting out plays he wanted to do. I don't want him to say like he was being disrespectful by like telling you guys, but just he had the nickname the sheriff for a reason. Was he like that where he came over and kind of like was semi a coach on the field in that manner?


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[Assistant] Alright coach, we're getting towards the end. Last question here really, unless Ahmed got something else you want to bring in. But I just, okay, this is something, this is for you and me. First of all, I want to make sure we're on good terms because


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[Assistant] I have been known to come into the NBC production meetings on Sunday afternoon.


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[Assistant] And Tony's kids are there some days, some weeks he brings them up. And I come in and say bad words at times. I say four-letter words. Oh no. So I just want to make sure, coach, none of those are creeping into the household at the Dungy house, are they? I mean, I'm not in trouble, I'm not in the dog house or anything, am I?


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[Assistant] He's like an amazing human being, like, to the point where, like we were just talking about with the cursing, right? Yes. I like to curse, and I'm really not scared to curse in any setting. As long as it doesn't get me fired, that's the only thing that doesn't make me curse too many times here or on TV.


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[Assistant] When I walk into the room on Sunday and we're all in this big screening room to watch all the games because we're going to do football night in America later that day, I usually come in.


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[Assistant] I mean, first of all, I know I'm not perfect and I wanna have these conversations with, this is what this podcast is for, so.


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[Assistant] You know, always feel free to react, talk, conversate with us on these type of subjects. I welcome it. I welcome the questions no matter how dumb or smart they might be. I understand them and I'm always down to talk a little ball and talk quarterback.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Locke was on the lesser team as compared to Ohio State, right? You know, Dwayne Haskins, listen, this is very close. If there's a part of my rankings that I might change, it's these two to three.


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[Assistant] It's, it's Locke and Haskins. I thought it was neck and neck. I thought one of the things that gave the advantage to Locke in my opinion in a close race is experience and I do think he's a hair.


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[Assistant] Of a more natural thrower of the football. Now, Haskins Arm is top notch. I'm saying that both of these guys are top ten picks, so this is not negative on any of them.


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[Assistant] I'm just, if you had to make me determine which one I'd want, I would go.


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[Assistant] Uh, with Drew Locke at this point. A lot of things I like about Haskins, certainly. I don't think he's quite as good as a pure passer as Drew Locke. And, he's not as good an athlete as Drew Locke. I think that's both of those things. Now they're both amazing in the pocket. They're both fearless with people around them. I understand the optics of stats and the record.


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[Assistant] Are going to look a little bit better for Ohio State, but you can't say that he played against tougher competition. I mean, the SEC is the king. There's no denying that. The Big Ten has become really good here the last few years, certainly. But even they were down a little bit. I mean, Michigan was good.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. And again, this is, we're being nitpicky here. It's a really close one. I am a big fan of Dwayne Haskins. Like he, he could be the quarterback of my football team. Certainly. I do think he's a hair more raw and the fact that this was just his first year playing.


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[Assistant] That's why I think a place like the New York Giants would fit for him. He could sit behind Eli Manning for a year before he kinda gets going. So go ahead. But how was his board worth?


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[Assistant] I, I, he might be a guy that I need to get in there. I just started in on him. So I kinda went with the big names at first.


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[Assistant] The guys that you heard about most commonly talked about as far as NFL terms. So I know he's on my radar. And when we get into talking to quarterbacks again here in the next few weeks, he might be in that top. He's top six, top eight, whatever it may be. I haven't done my deep dive there on him yet. So please bear with me on that one, but no.


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[Assistant] But I did my due diligence and really studied these eight guys hard. I gotta see a little more on Nick Easton before I throw him in there. I just don't know enough about him yet. So, but I know he's on my radar to be in that conversation. Not enough information.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I mean, uh, again, and I'm not- You are low on Greer. I know I'm low on Greer, but I just go with what the film says to me. I don't sit here and come out with preconceived notions and go, oh, well, you know, I saw this guy make a play on the highlight show back in October, so I'm already set. He's number four in my ranking. No. You know, I try to go into it with a clean slate.


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[Assistant] I really use a phrase that my dad used on the podcast on Wednesday. You know, I almost go in trying to not like the guy, right?


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[Assistant] Greer, no, Greer, uh, I know that his yards and numbers are gonna look better than filmy, but I would welcome those guys if they ever came into NBC Sports here and wanted to watch film with me.


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[Assistant] Oh, I get it, you're right. Ryan Finley is clearly the more talented guy. Finley's the most accurate thrower in the whole draft. He's more accurate than any of the, even the big three.


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[Assistant] Now his arm is not as powerful as Haskins Locker Murray. He's not as athletic. He's close to athletic.


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[Assistant] But Finley was my pleasant surprise when I broke him down. I did not think I was gonna be making him number four.


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[Assistant] Uh, great decision maker. Didn't have big time talent around him.


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[Assistant] I thought he threw the ball into more tight windows.


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[Assistant] I mean, oh, I'm throwing a 10 yard out to the right and I'm going to get hit before the receiver makes the break. So I don't know exactly where he's going to be. So I'm going to put the ball in a spot where I think he's going to be. And he was on the money with those type of things, let alone being a better athlete than I probably gave him credit for.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, other people though, you know, again, I'm not trying to hate on other people, but you know, sometimes in the world we're in right now, you know, other people consist of


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[Assistant] You know, Joe Blow, the radio host where I want to go, I don't know if he's held a football before, but we're going to listen to him. So sometimes, uh, I'm going to use a famous phrase, you know, sometimes unqualified people make qualifying statements in this business and that takes,


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[Assistant] Uh, that becomes a narrative where I wanna go, well, who started this narrative? You know, I always go back to like Matt Barkley. Man, back in the day...


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[Assistant] Gosh, I was watching every highlight show ever and they were telling me Matt Barclay was the number one pick in the draft. Just forget about it.


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[Assistant] And then I get it, you know, and then I got turned on the film and I go, what the hell? And I go to go, oh yeah, that's right. The people that were telling me he was the number one pick in the draft have no business talking about that subject. No, no.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I'm gonna hitch up and run into my center as I'm throwing the ball. Like this is not center fielder in baseball. This is quarterback. More than not, you're gonna have to throw that ball without even being able to take that huge hitch up step. You're gonna have to throw it and go, damn, he's open 50 yards downfield, but I'm gonna have to kind of just throw it off my back foot and launch it up there. That's what you have to do. That's the things he cannot do.


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[Assistant] And again, you know, I never like not, you know, talking negatively about, you know, kids or young men who are trying to make their way, but I'm paid to evaluate these guys. Daniel Jones plays the position correctly. He certainly has, uhm,


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[Assistant] The, the, this David Kuckliff schooling around it. He's run a lot of pro-style schemes. That works in his benefit. But when it comes to evaluating him, you know, it just...


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[Assistant] You know, the system guy just doesn't get it done. You know, you look at guys, hey, let's look at the top guys that are in the, that came out in the draft the last few years, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, Baker Mayfield. Okay, yeaah. We know he can do things when the system...


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[Assistant] But he does it too when all of a sudden the right tackle falls down, he's got pressure, nobody's open and he scrambles around and makes this unbelievable throw. That's life in the NFL. That's why Patrick Mahomes is who he is. That's why Aaron Rodgers is who he is. That's why Tom Brady is who he is.


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[Assistant] Damn, he's slow as hell, but nobody can get a hand on him. And then he throws a strike down the field. And that's what football's all about. You're gonna very rarely be throwing from this perfect pocket consistently all game long.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well his sneakers are still popular. So they're part of like, you know, the young pop culture, millennials, all of that, right? I mean, so that, that's what keeps him extremely relevant. He owns a basketball team. So he's still out there and that, you know, and that forum as far as being involved in the NBA. Michael Jordan is the greatest player I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's the first really, in my opinion, like, what I would also say, I would say to my kids, if that's what we're saying, or grandkids, I'd go, Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] And really, he was the first, like, merchandise superstar of the world, right? For sure. I mean him and Mars Blackman, Spike Lee, and those commercials.


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[Assistant] And we haven't seen anything like that. Yep. So, like Michael Jordan, uh, is absolutely the man for as far as it's concerned to me. And not only like, was it Air Jordan? Oh, oh grandkids, you should have saw him dunk.


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[Assistant] He wasn't much taller than me, Grandpa Chris, but he could jump a whole lot higher. I mean, those are the things I would be saying.


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[Assistant] That's a good question. Selfishly as a fan, I wanna watch him to see him because he is like that a little bit. Like the two guys we were just talking about, Michael Jordan-ish, LeBron James-ish, where you just go, man, I just wanna tune in to watch this because I wanna see this big freak of nature go down the lane and tomahawk slam on somebody or something like that.


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[Assistant] At the same time, no. I think for my future fandom, I want to tell him, don't do it. Don't play. Give it up.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, you're the first pick in the draft. We know that. Don't risk anything. This is your business. This can make a, this changes your life forever. It changes your family's life forever. It changes your grandkids' life forever. He can change his family tree history basically, uh, within the next few years if he protects his investment, which is his body.


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[Assistant] We can send you to war, but you can't make the decision to go to the NBA. You gotta go to college. You're in guilt. We have a draft. You can go there. It's a racket. I mean, it is a racket, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, there's some certain college stadiums where I still think back about whether it was in Nebraska or Texas A&M going like, holy cow, that was an amazing environment and everything like that.


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[Assistant] Uh, but you can't have it all. And at some point, you do have to make some grown man decisions in this one. Yeaah, there's probably some experiences where if he doesn't play, he's gonna see the Sweet 16 and Duke's in it, and he's gonna go, damn, I wish I was out there right now. 100%. But, uh, you know, that's something he's gonna have to deal with and make a decision that he feels is best for him and his family.


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[Assistant] I haven't been fired yet. Peace out homies. Have a good weekend. Uh, thanks for listening. And remember, subscribe. Right? And like and retweet and whatever. And YouTube. Slash NBC Sports. Thanks a lot. Peace out guys. See ya.


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[Assistant] But the polo is an NBC sports polo. And I wore one of those one time. I think it was year one with you.


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[Assistant] And you don't want to have to ask for the blanket if no one else is asking for the blanket.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Right. You just didn't drive back this time. Two for two. We drove back the last time. This time I just took a flight the next day cause I was like, screw it. Man. We go back one more time. That's rough. I do want to talk about your trip to Cleveland and the Hall of Fame game cause we were going to have you identify players there.


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[Assistant] Like, what was it, we're gonna call it a segment, like who, like who's a dude or something like that. Something like that, yeaah. Like, he's real. He's real. Yeaah. He's real. Great memory, Pete. He's real. So, we'll do that. Okay. Uhm, but we also, uh, wanna promote our new YouTube page. Woo woo woo woo woo woo! Before we get to that. Read it. Read it. Read it.


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[Assistant] During the season, you'll see videos with Coach Dungy, the Football Night in America crew, great podcast with Coach Dungy that I listened to in the airport on the way here. You can go to this YouTube page for all the NFL videos that NBC produces and then some.


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[Assistant] And we will continue to talk about this. Pete says, until we get to 50,000 subscribers.


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[Assistant] Yep, come on, get the guy in the promo. I am the only Chris Sims on button t-shirt in America. You do? I know. What an asshole still. I'd like to state for


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[Assistant] One player to watch. So we're gonna go around every NFL team. We're gonna go just with the NFC today. Gonna do the AFC on Wednesday, I believe.


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[Assistant] That's a cool little exercise to go through. Yea, it's like pre-season, who's a player that Chris Sims would identify? Like, I'm gonna, I'm really gonna watch this player because I think this is key.


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[Assistant] I think we'll have a good conversation around this. We'll go through every team in the NFC. I've got a defensive lineman to watch because I am now a defensive line expert.


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[Assistant] If you don't know the story, it's like, I, this offseason, I was like, Chris, I want to become an expert at a position group. And we went back and forth and we decided on defensive line. Give the big guys up front some luck.


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[Assistant] So we got every team in the NFC, a player to watch, a defensive lineman to watch. We'll do that here in a second, but first.


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[Assistant] Your thoughts from the Hall of Fame game in Cleveland. We got Jaguars and Raiders. I was so pumped to watch you guys did a great job with Football Night in America. It was good to see you back out there on the field. It was raining on you at some point there. You had to find cover. Everyone's scattering.


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[Assistant] Like, get out of my way, I don't care. I was pushing all kinds of people out of my way. It's not your time right now. Right, right. Uhm, yeaah, so I like that. It's stressful. It is stressful. That's the worst nightmare that you're gonna miss your spot.


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[Assistant] That gave me chills, just hearing that. Alright, so about the game. The game did happen. I was excited to see it. I was a little bummed when, like, as the game's going on, you're like, ah, this is so cool. It's just still not real. I know. I know. That's right. But you gotta look at some players. Yeah, did. And so let's start kind of with your observations. And you do this a lot.


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[Assistant] You, you say you learn a lot from watching the quarterbacks pregame. Yeah. Just even just seeing them, their body, the way, the way they're carrying themselves, how hard they're throwing looks different in person than maybe it does on TV. Yep. So Trevor Lawrence was there. Yeah. What'd you think of him?


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[Assistant] Because you got reports last year, I remember you talking about this on the pod, where people in your same position watching him pregame warm up, and they said it


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[Assistant] So if he has a big jump in his game, the outlook for the Jaguars improves then too. What about around him? What do you see around him?


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[Assistant] Well, with that quarterback in the neck that he has, as you mentioned, Pete has found a pitcher of that too.


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[Assistant] We should do that. That should be our thing. We bring on quarterbacks and talk to them because you're a quarterback whisperer. You're an expert on it. And at the end of the interview, we just bring a tape measure out and measure their neck.


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[Assistant] Yeah, see, you see who, yeah, Trevor Lawrence has the biggest neck, we all think.


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[Assistant] And it may not be as defined. Alright, so last thing on this game. So if you were impressed with the Jaguars, I would have thought coming into this game...


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[Assistant] You had looked at both teams and maybe the team that you had that reaction to would be the Raiders. A lot of people think they're gonna be improved, that division's so tough, but maybe they can still make the playoffs. Uhm, what was, what was your thought of them and Josh McDaniels being around them and the whole vibe? They had a, they had a,


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[Assistant] That's crazy, I was gonna guess mid 30s, late 30s, 32.


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[Assistant] You make anything of him given Josh Jacobs five rushes in the game?


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[Assistant] You never can stop. Okay, I want to get to the NFC teams here, the one player to watch, but last thing. Who's real? He's real. Was there anyone else who looked real to you? Trevor Lawrence looked real. He's real.


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[Assistant] Alright, good. We'll get more information as the preseason goes on, but while the preseason goes on.


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[Assistant] What we have to do is we gotta, we gotta focus. We gotta, we gotta know what we're looking for when all these teams are playing. You can't watch everything even though you try. Yes. You go back and watch film. And so we'll start in the NFC here today and we're going to look at every team. We're going to go through every team in the NFC. We're going to start with the team with the worst odds to


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[Assistant] Win the NFC to the team with the best odds. We'll start with the Falcons here, but basically this exercise is if you can only focus on one player.


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[Assistant] All preseason, which player would you pick for the fans of this team? So let's get right into it. Let's get into it with the Falcons whose odds of winning the NFC, is this right Pete? Plus 10,000? I didn't even know they did stuff. A thousand to one. A thousand to one.


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[Assistant] So the Falcons are not a favorite to win the NFC. That's safe to say, you know, depending on what the number is or is not. Yes. Uhm, but they got players to watch and maybe that these are the teams that you gotta have more of those players to watch. Who are these young players who will be part of the next playoff team for the Falcons? So Chris.


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[Assistant] So we'll get a couple names in there, just from the homies here, cause we asked this question out there on your Twitter, uh, FalconsCook11 did say Desmond Ritter, interested to see him. My defensive lineman to watch, you brought his name up, uh, Grady Jarrett. They're kinda moving him around this year. They're gonna move him around, he's a little bit more of an X Factor, and he'll be playing in different spots this year, so that'll be something to watch.