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[Assistant] Blah, blah, blah. Like I think that you're right. He is going to try his hardest to not medal to let and there's no first draft pick to medal in either. He's going to try and let the football people do football things. And if he does that, I would expect


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[Assistant] You could see a pretty quick turnaround from Dave Canales and this Panthers team. And by turnaround, I mean, when double double the games you won last year.


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[Assistant] Thanks there too. Um, I'll be interested as well. You know, we saw with.


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[Assistant] The Buccaneers, how they managed to sort of rejigger the offensive line under Canales and keep Baker protected despite all the turnover there. The Panthers have invested a lot in the offensive line.


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[Assistant] They just switched up schemes and I think that that could be key for Carolina. If Canales can get a scheme that highlights the strengths of his various players, you know, like Ikea Quanu was terrible last year.


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[Assistant] It hasn't been a very good pass protector in his career, but got better his rookie season, changing a bunch of.


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[Assistant] Schematic stuff with your offensive line, a young offensive line is just, it's just dangerous. So I, I, I heard, I think that that could be key getting some weapons, obviously going to be a big deal. Mike Evans is a free agent by the way. Ooh.


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[Assistant] Mike Evans probably wants to play with Baker. Probably wants to stay in Tampa Bay and play with Baker, but maybe he loves Canales. I don't know. We'll see.


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[Assistant] You know, I think what, which, which excites you more Bill Callahan to the Titans or Dave Canales to the Panthers.


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[Assistant] I'll go canalist because I think the Panthers job, I rank the Titans have a little bit better than the Panthers job.


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[Assistant] I'm not entirely sure, just because of the draft pick. Almost entirely because of the draft pick. Well, and Tepper.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Not everybody. Yeah. Not, I mean, it would be pretty sweet to work for like six months and get paid for five years. Uh, you know, that's the dream. That is the dream. Um,


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[Assistant] I'm going to be honest, not a ton left to talk about in this podcast. Anything else you want to cover with David Canales? It's the Panthers. They're your team. I mean, they don't have a first-round draft pick. They have Bryce young. You got to be able to fix him.


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[Assistant] Um, they need to get better at the, like their wide receivers and their weapons have to get better. I mean, they have to improve that and that's going to be on Dan Morgan. You know, if you look at what Scott Fitterer did, part of the reason why he got, I mean, a large part of the reason he got dismissed is because not just a bright young pick over CJ Stroud, which looks disastrous, but also because of


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[Assistant] The, you know, lack of weapons that he put around pay, excuse me, around price young.


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[Assistant] You know, Adam Dillon, DJ Chark with their big ads is all season Hayden Hearst and


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[Assistant] You know, this is, that's just not a group. Like at the time I talked myself into it because it's like, all right, this office is going to be dink and dunk. They're going to run the ball. Miles Sanders was a massive bus. He got benched for Trubel Hubbard midway through the season.


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[Assistant] All their free agent dealing with had a really good year, but he was basically just a third down conversion machine. And you know, they would, they like, he was their only option on offense. They have to get some speed. They have to get somebody who can take the top off. I don't know if this is a pretty good, um,


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is a pretty good, uh, wide receiver free agent situation and draft class. They don't have a first round pick. I think that's gotta be paramount for them. And that falls more in Dan Morgan than it does on Dan.


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[Assistant] Agreed. All right. That's going to be a key thing to watch.


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[Assistant] Synergy, baby. All right, that'll do it for us. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Dave canal is hired by the Carolina Panthers. We'll have much more on all the coaching hires for breach. I'm britton. See you guys later.


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[Assistant] Not a perfect passer rating, not a perfect passer.


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[Assistant] It was a perfect pass rating until they decided to try to go to the first down on his final throw of the game. It fell incomplete and dropped his rating from 158.3 to 157.2. Uh, it cost him the perfection. They didn't have to throw the ball there and that's okay, but keep going. I just want to make sure.


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[Assistant] Well, a big part of the struggles early, even though the numbers, if you just look at them, didn't necessarily bear it out, was that they were so bad in the first half. They were struggling at the beginning games, falling behind, and this is all during when they started two and five, three and six, so that was part of the trouble, but it's not just


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[Assistant] Jordan Love, you look at the past few weeks of Packers football and who's been right there with them. Aaron Jones every single time. He had such a monstrous game today.


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[Assistant] You look at what he did, uh, in week 18 against the Bears, 111 yards, uh, week 17 against the Vikings in a huge, huge game, 120 yards the week before that against the Panthers in a game that the Packers almost choked away, which this is almost making fun of the Cowboys that the Ketelman of Panthers.


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[Assistant] Put up 30 points on the Packers and almost beat them, uh,


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[Assistant] But Aaron Jones put up 127 yards in that game. And you know, we're looking at this stat right now on YouTube. Aaron Jones did three rushing touchdowns.


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[Assistant] That is tied for the most rushing touchdowns in a wild card game in NFL history. And so when your rushing attack is working like that,


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[Assistant] That makes things a lot easier for your quarterback and Jordan Love was absolutely phenomenal. Uh, you look at their first touchdown drive, they went out there. Matt LaFleur went full Zach Taylor, not to bring the bangles up, but his strategy.


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[Assistant] Zach Taylor's as always, we're going to take the ball first and put the other team on a teals because we want to go down and get the first point.


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[Assistant] Well, Matt LaFleur doesn't usually use that strategy, but he did in Dallas because he felt confident enough that his offense could go out.


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[Assistant] Uh, the vaunted Cowboys defense. Guess what? We're going to drive straight down the field. We're going to score on them. And now all the pressures on them because they're a seven point favorite. They're playing at home. Mike McCarthy's job is on the line. Uh, and what did the Packers do? They drove straight down. Jordan Love went four for four for 42 yards and opening drive. They score a touchdown.


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[Assistant] And you look at all three of their offensive drives that ended in touchdowns in the first half.


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[Assistant] Jordan Love went 12 of 12 for 152 yards on those three TD drives. I mean, it was a clinic out there. LaFleur.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's also one of those coaches where it was, what was going to happen if Aaron Rodgers left? Is he actually a good coach? And I would say, uh, that he has.


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[Assistant] That's crazy, I think that Aaron Rodgers, he kinda does his own thing, and I mean look, there was a power struggle that we knew about, that Rodgers wants to call his own plays, that he wasn't happy with the plays that LaFleur was putting out, and Rodgers loves to


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[Assistant] Who knows? And Lafour's like, man, just run my offense please. And Jordan loves like, yes sir, I'll do that and we'll be awesome. So yeah, I do think that there is definitely, uh, some truth to that.


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[Assistant] Brenton doesn't usually miss revenge games. That's a good one. Browns this past week to dive into or the Matt Stafford revenge game to dive into this angle.


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[Assistant] But you know what though, and head coaches, if you were in the NFL, you were a competitive person, and it would not surprise me at all if that was in the back of LaFleur's mind, like, I want to stick it to Dan, Quinn, uh, we're going to pile it up at the bank.


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[Assistant] And that's exactly what happened. And you know what? After we talked about the Browns game last night on Saturday night and kind of started talking about it and


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[Assistant] Uh, why the Browns defense struggle on the road and they're all these little, we just kept poking little holes and why they were bad and maybe we just kind of overlooked it. I actually felt very uncomfortable about the Cowboys game before it kicked off because it did feel like, uh,


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[Assistant] Something like that could happen. I mean, my prediction was that this would be a shootout on our bowl prediction show. I thought the Packers would score in the thirties, but that-


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[Assistant] The Cowboys would win. So I think the bigger surprise to me though was that the Cowboys offense pulled a total no-show. Right. I think that's exactly right.


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[Assistant] Uh, probably the Packers, but I mean it's close and now you, we've been talking about how it was the Lions division and this was kind of our coronation by winning the division this year.


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[Assistant] But now it doesn't feel that way anymore. Now I don't feel like there's such a walk to win it next year or the year after that. Uh, and to the commenters, I'm not being held hostage. I'm gonna start blinking. Just reading some stats here.


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[Assistant] Well, I think a problem is, look, as someone who is forced to watch Andy Dalton,


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[Assistant] He's got four starts. Uh, A.J. McCarran started against you. A.J. Sabren. Okay, sorry. Come on, Wilson. You know that. My bad.


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[Assistant] So, and that's where you are if you're a Cowboys fan. And this was kind of the, this is the one you had to win. You can't go out.


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[Assistant] And lose this, when you're a 7-point favorite, when you have the highest scoring offense in football, you have all your weapons out there. If maybe C.D. Lamb was injured or if Brandon Cooks didn't play, if you had some built-in excuse,


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[Assistant] Pick six. That's game. And that's on Dak Prescott. That is all on Dak Prescott. A little bit on CD land because for whatever reason they were not on the same page a little bit. You know, give the Packers defense some credit, but I do think it was more of.


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[Assistant] I could have taken a nap in the second half. You guys could have taken a nap. It was over.


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[Assistant] I think if you would have sat down Mike McCarthy a week ago and said, do you want the five seed and go on the road and play the Buccaneers?


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[Assistant] Or do you want to play the Packers at home who just got shredded by Nick Mullins two times in three weeks? I think he's picking the Packers defense and saying, I think we can put up 500 yards and 45 points against them. And I would prefer to play.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jordan Love, who's in a first career playoff start, because historically, before this weekend, when CJ Stroud and Jordan Love both went off, quarterbacks in their first career playoff starts generally play pretty badly. So I, I think he actually would have picked the Packers. You know, it's embarrassing. Embarrassing.


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[Assistant] And they've now made the playoffs, what, 13 times without making it to the conference title game, which is the longest streak in NFL history.


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[Assistant] If this were last off season, I think he would have a chance, but with all the coaching talent out there, whether it's Belichick, whether it's Mike Vrabel,


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[Assistant] Uh, Jim Harbaugh, Mike, I mean, you just have these big names out there and Jerry Jones loves a splashy hire. And look, you think Bill Belichick's team would fall behind 48 to 16 in a playoff game and sleep walk through an entire first half of what you can't, you can overlook a team.


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[Assistant] There's trap games in the regular season where you overlook a team. I get that. It's 18, 17 games. It's tedious. That can't happen in the playoffs. You cannot have a trap game in the playoffs. It's surviving adventure out. If you lose, he's done. I cannot see him surviving.


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[Assistant] I will say this real quick when it comes to, cause look, Greg Olson was saying this on the telecast that you can't fire Mike McCarthy. He's, who are you going to replace him with? He's done so well. He's, he's


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[Assistant] Got the most wins over the past three seasons, uh, without getting to a conference title game, which is negative, but you can't take those regular season wins away. And how are you going to prove? I think at the end of the day for Jerry Jones, who is 81 years old, it comes down to this.


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[Assistant] Who gives me the best shot of winning a Super Bowl next year? I don't care about my regular season wins as long as they get me the playoffs. And once I'm in the playoffs, who gives me a better shot? The guy who is one and three? What is he?


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's one in three since he saw, so McCarthy's one in three of the Cowboys in the playoffs. Or do I want the guy who goes to the Superbowl almost every year?


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[Assistant] And somebody did mention that yes, the Bills blew out the Patriots the last time Belichick was in the playoffs, but the Bills were a big favorite in that game. Nobody expected the Patriots to win. This is not the same thing where the Cowboys were a huge favorite. This was a meltdown. This was a failure on every level for Dallas.


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[Assistant] I think it would be Belichick. I think you're looking, you're staring out your window. Jones is going to want to win the Super Bowl next year too. Very small window. You're looking at one to three years. It needs to be right now. And I think if you're in the win now mentality, you're probably going with Belichick.


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[Assistant] You think it's McCarthy stays, oh my god. I think McCarthy stays.


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[Assistant] And Belichick will bring McDaniels with him. There'll be uh, two peas in a pod. Boom.


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[Assistant] I will say this, that he started off hot and he would have lost the entire crowd. He would have been kicked out of the city if Detroit had lost this game. Because you look at what happened after the Rams cut the lead to 24 to 20, the Lions got the ball. They punted.


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[Assistant] Uh, then the Rams go down, get a field goal, now it's 24-23, the Lions get the ball, they punt again. And so everybody's just thinking, oh my God, can Jared, Jared Goff just do something, please? And then even when you get to the end there and they decide to, and Jared Goff throws the first down and second at nine.


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[Assistant] That was it. That was the throw that sealed. Now he is a hero. Now he is a savior. If you win your city's first playoff game in 32 years, there's only going to be positive memories associated with you for the rest of time. Jared Goff does not play another season in Detroit. He'll be remembered as a hero.


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[Assistant] I didn't think that was necessarily what I took from it. I think that Dan Campbell watched his defense get absolutely gashed up on the Rams first two possessions with Stafford going up and down the field. I think their first drive, which ended a field goal went for 69 yards.


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[Assistant] Then they had the touchdown drive for 72 yards where Nakua got the 50 yard touchdown. So when you see your defense has no hope of stopping the Rams offense to that point, you're thinking, wow, we probably need to put up as many points as possible. And that means going for it on fourth and one from the Rams too. I mean, that's obviously Campbell's.


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[Assistant] He's aggressive. That's his nature. We've seen it all year. So there was never, I mean, I thought he was going for this the whole time and I thought it was the right decision and he made it pay off. And the fact that Laporta, who was carted off the freaking field last week,


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[Assistant] Seven days later is play, could even walk off a football field in week 18 and he not only didn't play, but he catches the touchdown pass. That was insane. So yeah, I mean, I thought he made the right decision, but you know, and we'll talk about.


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[Assistant] The McVeigh versus Campbell and I guess the coaching difference.


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[Assistant] But I didn't really think, because the difference in the game was the red zone. The Lions got the red zone three times. They scored three touchdowns. The Rams got in the red zone three times. They scored zero touchdowns. They settled four.


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[Assistant] So I thought there was only one instance where Campbell would have gone for it. So I don't think that McVeigh on those, you know, forget the play calls that got us to that situation. I'm just talking about that actual play.


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[Assistant] Are we get, are we already there? Should we talk about it?


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[Assistant] And one other thing because it was such a crazy situation that they were there because you only have one timeout left. So the situation is it is fourth and fourteen. You were at the Lions forty-four yard line.


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[Assistant] You can go for it, you can punt, you can try the field goal. And granted, Brett Maher has not been the greatest kicker. I mean, the Rams freaking cut the guy earlier this season before bringing him back his percentage during the regular season with LA in 2023.


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[Assistant] Was 74%, so not entirely accurate. Remember, we all remember his playoff meltdown with the Cowboys, uh, but that was mostly extra points that he struggled with, but.


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[Assistant] Here's the one thing with Brett Maher. He is literally the best kicker in NFL history when it comes to kicking field goals from 60 yards or longer.


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[Assistant] He has made four of them. Nobody else in NFL history has made four. Not Justin Tucker, not Sebastian Janowski. And not only has made four of them, but he's four for four. He's never missed. So the, he's the only kicker with multiple field goal attempts from six yards and more who has made a hundred percent of his kicks. And so,


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[Assistant] If I know my kicker can hit that, if he, if I saw him do it at least once in warmups, I am sending him out there because I only have one time out left and you know, if he misses that,


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[Assistant] If they get a first down, the game's over anyway. So if you punt and they get a first down, the game's over. If you miss the field goal and they get a first down, it doesn't matter where on the field it is. It's not like the lines are going to drive down and go get a touchdown because you missed this field goal. It doesn't matter that they're closer to the end zone because one first down, two first downs, that's going to end the game. So I probably would have tried the field goal. That's, that's my field goal rant.


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[Assistant] That Campbell was way more aggressive than McVay. They both went forward on fourth down once. They both got it. And again, if we flip the situation, I didn't see a ton of places.


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[Assistant] What we desperately needed after super wild card weekend.


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[Assistant] And then you get the fourth coldest game in NFL history which is fun to watch. When helmets are shattering on the field, that's fun.


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[Assistant] Not from the Packers Cowboys game, Brinson. I have dual MVPs. It is Jared Goff and Matthew Staff. No, I'm just kidding.


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[Assistant] It is the head coach of the Detroit Lions. We all had so much fun joking about him biting kneecaps off back when he got hired in 2021. He has absolutely turned this franchise around.


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[Assistant] And to see him lead this team to not only division title, but their first playoff win in 32 years. I can tell you that.


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[Assistant] I don't get emotionally attached in the week to week stuff really with the bangle side of stuff anymore, but when they beat the Raiders for their first playoff win in 30 years, two years ago,


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[Assistant] I teared up. I mean it was so emotional to see that happen.


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[Assistant] So I know exactly how Lions fans feel. I know that the three decade wait, you get to a point where you don't ever think


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[Assistant] We all remember that the Cowboys playoff game from a few years ago, where they picked up an interference flag, and there's just all these things.


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[Assistant] Where it feels like the Lions were just meant to lose. I mean, we saw the questionable call in the game tonight against the Rams with the offsides right before the halftime. And they say, no, it was on the line that it should have been on the Rams. And so.


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[Assistant] Just while that Dan Campbell was able to do all this in two years and for this team to get that win, I think this was the monkey they needed to get off their back and we were talking about comparing the Texans to the Bengals. I think the Lions are the 2021 Bengals where now that that's out of the way and now that you have a mental barrier of, okay, we can win a playoff game.


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[Assistant] Now it's off. The governor's off and you can speed your way to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Well, and that game is the Saturday night prime time game on Fox Packers at 49ers.


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[Assistant] Only one game is set, and that is Packers 49ers. I have not looked at the odds. I don't know what it is. I haven't either. Uhm, it's at least.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'll, I'll half point. I'm going to go nine just to price is right.


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[Assistant] I'm basing my guess off that the Cowboys were seven, that the 49ers are higher up in the power rankings. If it's four and a half, the Packers just win.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so everybody, if you're watching these Monday night games, if the Bills win and beat the Steelers, then they will host the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] On Sunday, January 21st at 6.30 PM on CBS and the Texans will play the Ravens in Baltimore in the Saturday afternoon game.


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[Assistant] If the Steelers somehow win, Wilson Steelers steal the win, they will play the Ravens on Sunday night at 6.30 PM Eastern on CBS. And in that case, the Texas will play at Kansas City.


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[Assistant] In the Saturday afternoon game, and then the late Monday night game, which is Tampa Bay and Philadelphia. That one's easy. The winner plays the Lions in Detroit.


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[Assistant] Nah, I think the governor said today that it's pretty locked in that they're going to play Monday. Like, unless something absolutely bonkers happens.


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[Assistant] Talk about some coaching, vacancies, play some matchmaker, look around the league, talk about all the things that are happening in football. Got three games left. Les Jadusable, Brian McFadden. What's up, fellas? What up? What up, fellas? How am I doing today? Good.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's usually happy. I think he's like, enjoy seeing me do stupid stuff and like, podcast about it.


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[Assistant] Maybe Nick Sirianni in Philadelphia though. Now it looks like he should be on the mic in a few minutes. We're recording this Wednesday around two o'clock.


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[Assistant] Of course, download, follow and leave a five star review. Uh, I'll ask you guys this.


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[Assistant] Looking around the landscape of the coaching.


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[Assistant] Sort of feel. What's, uhm, what's the biggest general surprise to you? And it could be Bill Belichick can't get a job. It could be the Panthers called Brian Johnson for an interview, probably thinking it was Ben Johnson and they told him they didn't need the interview. Uhm, I don't know. Take it any which way you want this.


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[Assistant] So I'm not even kidding about this Ben Johnson, Brian Johnson thing.


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[Assistant] Fairly quickly considering all he'd done in that town. Nick Sirianni was in the Super Bowl less than a year ago and was on the hot seat this offseason. Uhm, but the Panthers...


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[Assistant] Have interviewed 11 or they, I think they've called on either 11, they've called 11 coaches, maybe now 12 with Dave Canales and they interviewed every single one of them. They requested interview with 12 interviewed every single one of them except Brian Johnson. And I swear to you, I think somebody in that building was like,


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[Assistant] Well, we gotta get that B Johnson guy in here. If Tepper loves him and they're like, they got called for Brian Johnson. We're like, oh, oh crap.


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[Assistant] We need to get Ben Johnson. This makes us stupid and just didn't call it back. So, um.


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[Assistant] That's my theory on the panthers thing. I think, uh, you know, it's interesting how speaking of Carolina sort of, we see a lot of times, and this shouldn't be that surprising, but I think to maybe the average fan, you know, I think like a lot of NFL fans are really in tune with, with these teams and the front offices.


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[Assistant] So often sort of more behind the scenes than I think really gets put out there. The general manager situation almost dictates what, you know, how your, your, your front office dictates where you're going to go with your Kojic staff. And I think you look at like Dave Canales is in, um,


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[Assistant] In Charlotte, right? Yeah. Tampa Bay offensive coordinator, but he's in Charlotte, right? Like literally right now interviewing. He and Dan Morgan work together in Seattle.


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[Assistant] Like that makes a lot of sense as a possibility to come to Carolina after, especially because Carolina played him twice, saw his offense. They had Baker Mayfield in their building. They're like, dude, this guy can make Baker good. Imagine what he can do with Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, it is, that is, I think that's a really good point because, um, and I'm not, you know, I'm trying to think, um,


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[Assistant] I know that you have an example of a guy you, you worked with, uh, dudes and I'm trying to think if maybe Ken wizard hunt applies here, but like, I always felt like Rex Ryan jumped back in too quickly. Um, especially where he's like, it's like, dude, you just like grinded your way to success in New York in the same division as Belichick, like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, for Buffalo. And I mean, like, you know, it's, I, I go back and forth on this because I think, you know, sometimes it's better for these guys to take a year off. Frank Rice is a good example too. Like he didn't need to take that Panther shop. And then we got fired mid season for the call.


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[Assistant] But then at the other, you know, on the other end, you know, sometimes you step away, like Bill Cower stepped away and he's still young enough to keep coaching. And he's like, Oh.


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[Assistant] Well, this is great. I want a super ball and I get to talk about football and television. You know, I be back. I'm curious. You think it was, did, did Wiz qualify there? Did he, or did he jump? Did he go Arizona and then right back to Tennessee? I can't remember, but either way, you know what I'm saying? Like,


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[Assistant] I, I don't know. You know, I knew, I don't know this Panthers front office as well as the previous regime. And they've, they've done a lot of change over. That's, that's largely why, um, under David Tepper, but you know,


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[Assistant] Dan Morgan's title, he's executive VP of football ops and the general manager. And I sort of wonder, like, I am very curious to see if that hiring of Dan Morgan, who was there with Scott came over with Scott Federer, by the way. Yeah. So, you know, it's like.


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[Assistant] No, fresh start is a little weird, but Dan Morgan is a former first round pick. I think his scouting chops and personnel chops are well respected. He, you know, he worked his way up and he, you know, he's back home. I sort of wonder if that is an indicator that David Tepper is taking a step back from, you know, having his hand in everything football related.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think that people were clamoring to work with the Panthers. No, I mean.


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[Assistant] At the same time, you can note that like, look, if you take that job, if you're Dave Canales or Dan Morgan, you take those respective jobs, coach or GM.


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[Assistant] You're giving a fully guaranteed contract that is going to mean you could, in theory, never have to work again for the rest of your life. Like you're, you're going to make enough money where if he fires you five games in, which anything's possible, anything's possible.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm with you. If I'm Dave Canales and I can get a look at the Panthers, especially with a guy I trust in Dan Morgan, who I worked with in Seattle. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not quite as scared to do that because you feel like he's going to get by you as much time as he can with David Tepper. Um, Titan's job. I'm curious about this one too, because interesting.


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[Assistant] Ran Karthen and I apologize to the Titans fans who yelled at me because I spent three quarters of the emergency podcast calling him Ron Karthen.


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[Assistant] So, but Ray and Karthon, it was announced at the same time as the Titans technically announced that Brian Callahan was hired, that he is basically running that football team. For sure. I mean, like he, like,


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[Assistant] If you just got promoted to football czar, like VP of football operations, you are running that football team and Amy Adams strong noted in the press release. She's like, this isn't my dad's. This isn't my dad's NFL. You know, this is not, this is not the NFL where my dad was around. We want to, she mentioned blending analytics and all this stuff. Um,


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[Assistant] I'm curious what you guys think about having somebody in that GM position so new to that GM position given that much power and.


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[Assistant] What we'll see from Brian Callahan, you know, we talked about this, uh, with Pete Prisco yesterday, but you know, he, he thinks that the Browns will let Bill Callahan leave and come to Tennessee.


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[Assistant] You know, probably for a lateral job, but it's like, dude, like let the guy go coach with his son.


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[Assistant] You would think so. Yeah. I'm curious what you guys think about that particular power structure.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's take a quick break. I agree completely. I think I think having a singular everybody on the same page makes a lot of sense. There's been a power void there for sure. Alright, let's take a quick break when we come back.


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[Assistant] We'll talk the coach openings and uh, who might make sense to play matchmaker next.


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[Assistant] All right. Welcome back. Head coach openings vacancies still lingering.


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[Assistant] Quite a few are lingering out there. Quite frankly, a ton of them are lingering out there.


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[Assistant] I'm curious how you guys think Harbaugh Pete sort of lamented yesterday because it's been reported that Greg Roman would be, um, did you work with him in Buffalo at all?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so Greg Roman's been reported as the OC for the Chargers and Pete got Pete's, you know, when Pete gets like, oh, he's like, like his eyebrow got really big, like almost like up above his bald head. Uh, but the concern was that.


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[Assistant] We've seen him work with, you know, normal quarterbacks, whatever you want to call it. But like a lot of times, you know, we were just Tyron Taylor, Colin Kaepernick or Lamar Jackson, uh, you know, dudes, we've seen these Greg Roman offenses be very run, you know, run heavy quarterback throw as much. And you got Justin Herbert there. Any concerns if that's the direction they go?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree with that. If, uh, quick, quick grade, if you had to assign a letter grade preemptively, assuming Harbaugh goes, what's that? A plus. A plus.


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[Assistant] Jim Horrible, Sean Payton, twice a year. That could get spicy.


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[Assistant] Falcons. Let's play matchmaker. Who do you think you guys get to match up who you think would be the best fit for the Atlanta Falcons?


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[Assistant] No, no, no. I just think that you're obviously a quarterback away, and I don't know that I want, like, I understand this is why the Patriots, part of why they moved on. They're like, we don't know if we trust Bill Belichick, which is an insane statement, by the way. We don't know if we trust Bill Belichick to develop a quarterback.


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[Assistant] 15, 15, 15 total. If he wins 15 games, he has the record when you combine regular season to playoffs.


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[Assistant] Does Bill Belichick get a job this offseason?


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[Assistant] We could all agree like, and you know, dude, you brought up the wins. Um, what if, what if he just wants to get the 15 wins and be like, all right, I'm out.


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[Assistant] You know, like he like, I mean, like in other words, like it would, like he goes nine and seven or nine and eight, I guess now. And, or if he, or if he went eight and nine and seven and 10, he's like, well.


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[Assistant] For a championship, he's coaching for that record. And it's like, that's true. That's really damning.


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[Assistant] All right. Let's, uh, quickly, sorry, the bell check thing derailed it, but it's a great conversation. Uh, Panthers, I'm going to throw out Dave Canales. I think that's a good fit.


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[Assistant] Mark to Dan Morgan, stealing an offensive coordinator from, from the division.


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[Assistant] Okay, by the way, just, uh, that's a good call. Uh, wouldn't be surprised if David Tepper liked it. Uh, we're just worth noting that, uh, Tom Pellicera of NFL media tweeted Titans coach, former Titan coach, Mike Vrabel is at the Falcons job.


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[Assistant] Falcon is in Atlanta interviewing right now. Additionally, Jim Harbaugh is scheduled to meet with the Falcons tomorrow.


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[Assistant] You don't want to let somebody like hardball out of the building. Like you want to like, I mean, you know, you want to interview him. Um, commander's job. I'm going to say Ben Johnson. Uh, I think, I think it's a great fit there. I had the commander's job ranked number one.


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[Assistant] And the reason why for open jobs, I just think Josh Harris is doing everything in his power to be the opposite of Dan Snyder. And one of those things is going to be just being really patient. Like.


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[Assistant] Dan Snyder fires Ron Rivera on Ron Rivera's birthday. You know, like the last day, like the Sunday of the season, he's like, sorry, Ron, you're not currently week 18. You're fired. It's like, it's my birthday. I don't care.


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[Assistant] You know, Josh Harris was like patient, want to let him do the whole season. I think if they approach it the way it looks like they're going to approach things, you know, innovative, you're bringing Adam Peters. I think that's a really good job, especially with the number two pick. So I think Ben Johnson, uh, I like him in Washington.


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[Assistant] All right, Seattle, very quickly. One word answer, Mike variable or Dan Quinn.


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[Assistant] I like that. I think, I think either one, I think either one, uh, could work and would work well. Let's take a break. Can we come back? We'll wrap up the survivor pool and quickly preview the championship weekend.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're gonna, let's talk about these games really quickly. Cheeset Ravens, Lions at the Niners.


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[Assistant] Which game, and obviously Chiefs at Ravens on CBS and streaming on Paramount Plus, of course we all want to watch that, but which game of these do you think Deuce is more likely to feature in Upset?


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[Assistant] Go knock it out. Be back. I'll keep talking about this. You're, you're good. You go do what you gotta do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think both, I think both underdogs could win here. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Lions went in there and cause you know, Pete had the line and we'd like to make fun of Pete, but he is like, if you can block him, you can beat him. Talk about the 49ers.


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[Assistant] But the lions can block, man. Frank Ragman was tough as nails. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Alright, why don't you help me with my survivor pick then as we await B-Max return because I'm the only, you, you were knocked out in the wild card round. Ryan Wilson picked for me last week. He took the lions to secure.


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[Assistant] I'm glad he went Lions because now he wouldn't, you wouldn't go Lions here. I mean, would you go, I think you gotta go 49ers, right?


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[Assistant] All right. Be back. You get to play survivor. You get to join this. Like Brady's knocked out. Dudes is knocked out. I'm still alive. Wilson pick for me. We're not playing for anything, but you get to jump in. I'll give you first pick. You can, you can pick one team survivor. Now it gets a spread just straight up. You got to pick one of the four teams remaining to advance the Superbowl. Who would you go with?


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[Assistant] You know, the Ravens Cruz, but it was close at halftime, obviously. And then the Niners escaped barely. I think those teams come out a little more well-oiled and we see the number one seeds, uh, fully healthy, do their thing and, uh, advance for a, for a number one seed Ravens 49ers Superbowl. And no matter what the matchup is, it's going to be a good one.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's just cause it's on CBS and it's on, it's in Vegas, but it'd be like, I think, you know, look, if we get, by the way, chief's lions.


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[Assistant] Swifty in the lions, you've never been, like haven't been, haven't been to a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Alright, that'll do it for us. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Great stuff. As always, fellas for dues for BMAC. I'm Brinson.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody. Welcome to the pick six podcast, CBS sports NFL podcast. I'm Will Brinson. I'm your host. Joined on an emergency podcast by a man who looks


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[Assistant] Just like me, a little bit like Bill Belichick today, John Breach to talk about Ron Rivera being fired in Washington.


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[Assistant] No huge surprise here, Breach. Uh, probably the, we talked about Arthur Smith in the recap podcast last night, but we're going to break down.


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[Assistant] Commanders moving on from Ron Rivera officially would have happened yesterday. Didn't because it was his birthday. So happy belated birthday, Ron.


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[Assistant] By the way, I'm, I'm reliably told that that had nothing to do with the postgame melee with the Falcons and it was simply a, it was simply just a function of Arthur blank and the Falcons management had their meeting. The meeting ended around midnight and they're like, yeah, but this is the direction we're going.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, this is if there was ever, uh, like there's ever a head coaching firing that you're like, okay, do we, do we need emergency podcast for it? I mean, this, this would, this would be it because the last time that the commanders one was November 5th.


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[Assistant] Um, and the time before that was October 15th and the time before that was September 17th. So they have.


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[Assistant] To win since September, excuse me, September 17th, since week two.


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[Assistant] They lost everybody. They beat the Falcons. They beat the Patriots. They lost in horrendous fashion. They got blown out. Sam Howell got sacked a ton of times. Ron Rivera saying stuff like, I, the first time I've coached in three and a half years, I've been busy managing. And I think some of that is like, there's a little bit of that. That's true.


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[Assistant] When Ron Rivera was brought in to Washington, he was in charge of sort of changing the culture. Yeah. This is Dan Snyder knowing he was on his last legs, his owner trying to fix things and salvage things to keep the NFL from forcing a sale. They wanted Ron Rivera. I mean, look, I mean, I'm not.


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[Assistant] Ron Rivera was, you know, uh, is, is an established culture guy who also happens to happen to provide some diversity for a team that didn't have any at the time whatsoever. They made a dedicated attempt to do that when they were revamping things.


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[Assistant] Rivera I think did a good job changing the culture as best he could in Washington. I think he helped to shepherd the, and it's weird too because he's now done this two different times in his last two jobs. Been the guy who


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[Assistant] Previous owner forced to sell amongst scandalous, um, timeline. Ron rides it out and then, you know, was let go by the new owner. And that, that's sort of the crux of this to me for me, breach. It's not like Ron Rivera did a terrible job. Ron Rivera took over a really hard situation.


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[Assistant] Didn't win many football games, but one maybe more at least early on than I think, uh, you know, another coach might have. They, Washington had been good for a long time and.


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[Assistant] The Dan Snyder hired last was going to get fired because that's what happens when you spend $6 billion on a team. You are allowed to hire your own coach. I think David Tempers doing a terrible job of it in Carolina, but it's his team and he can do what he wants. And I do apologize. Harris in this instance for.


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[Assistant] Showing the patients to, I mean, a lot of, a lot of guys would have fired Ron Rivera in the week 14. Bye.


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[Assistant] After on a four game losing streak when your team is four and, uh, you know, four and, uh, four and nine.


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[Assistant] You ride it out. You let him do the whole season. You do things differently than Dan Snyder did. And I think we've seen that from ownership so far in Washington under this new regime.


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[Assistant] So he is the, the, the best winning percentage and WFT and commander's history.


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[Assistant] He's got, he's the all time winningest coach for like multiple franchise, like three, three different team names, the Panthers, the, um, the, uh, maybe John Fox is more anyway.


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[Assistant] You think about that combo and it doesn't sound like, I mean, and I don't want to not suggesting that we know otherwise we may, but, um, but.


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[Assistant] It was, it's been reported, so I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here, but, uh,


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[Assistant] Or general managers or full time employees of the Washington football team.


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[Assistant] Two time NBA executive of the year, Bob Myers. Four time NBA champ. Also gets to keep working on the ESPN, uh, NBA on ESPN.


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[Assistant] I think Rick's going to keep working for us, which is a very interesting dynamic. Say if Wilson doesn't get some commander scoops, this is just pathetic. Um, he, he and Rick drive around in a minivan all, all off season together and go to pro days. Um, I, I do, I think it's a really interesting move here.


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[Assistant] You were saying, okay, Bob Myers, great culture guy.


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[Assistant] And granted it helps that you get Steph Curry in the draft where you get him. He falls, but you know, you're able to like.


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[Assistant] You know, you find Draymond Green, you find Klay Thompson, you put this all together with Steve Kerr, who, by the way, when he hired Steve Kerr to be the Warriors head coach, Steve Kerr had zero coaching experience. And Steve Kerr immediately was incredible and won a ton of football games, or one of the basketball games, excuse me.


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[Assistant] And, and then you have, you know, you can, you bring in Kevin to write, like there was just a, the warriors.


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[Assistant] The people don't like the Warriors anymore, but the Warriors were the ultimate, the Warriors were a little bit like the Patriots in that they had this dynastic sort of out of nowhere come together culture. It's a big culture thing. And so I think having Bob Myers come in and.


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[Assistant] Breach a really like drastic power or not power ship, but it's really drastic sort of, um, shift in how NFL teams are constructing front offices versus even five years ago and certainly 10 years ago.


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[Assistant] And a lot of times these search firms or like, I think getting Rick and getting Bob Myers, again, Rick has a lot of experience in the NFL and there's a lot of people around the NFL. Um, but then using Bob Myers again, as a check and balance sort of thing to me, that makes a lot of sense versus go where it's like,


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[Assistant] I feel like every other search for it's like, it's like Ernie, of course he is telling you who to hire, right? And Ernie, of course he is saying like hire some guy that worked for with him in the giants. I also think you're going to see, um,


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[Assistant] The, the Washington hire some like, and this may, I don't think, I don't think Rick wants to get back in, but it wouldn't shock me if he took this job.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he loved doing it when he was at the end of his run, but like VP of football operations. I think you're gonna see Washington build out a hierarchy like that where they find it. It is going to depend on who they get for the coach, right? Cause like if you, if you, this is what makes this particular coaching.


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[Assistant] Actually, you know what? Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll talk about why the candidates may change the way that Washington structures its front office. Next.


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[Assistant] Particular cycle is that bill Belichick is out there and Jim Harbaugh is out there and Harbaugh has been out there for a while, but this feels like for the first time Harbaugh and he interviewed last year with, with Minnesota or two years ago with Minnesota or whatever it was. Um, it does feel like Harbaugh is coming back and he plays in the national championship game on Monday night and we'll know more about his future soon. And


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[Assistant] Belichick, it feels like there's a good chance he moves on. If you are hired, if you are attempting to lure Jim Harbaugh or Bill Belichick, you have to be really careful and fluid about your hiring process for the GM and your front office and all of that, right? If Josh Harris wants to get Bill Belichick to Washington and reports are that he is enamored with the idea, he can't go out and hire a GM.


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[Assistant] If you go out and hire a GM, you're like, Hey Bill, you're working with this guy. Bill is going to be like, no dice, dude. He's, Bill is going to want to put people around. If he goes somewhere new, he's certainly going to want, I would think personnel control. Uh, we'll talk more about his, his comments and our recap show at five o'clock today about what he said about possibly not wanting personnel control in New England, but the point being,


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[Assistant] I think you'll see teams in this particular cycle. Look at the Falcons. Like Terry Fontana is still there.


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[Assistant] If they want to get Harbaugh or Belichick, you have to imagine that he, you know, it's like he will have input in it. He's not hiring the guy.


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[Assistant] Martin Mayhew still there in Washington, which was kind of surprising. I thought they would let him go. He is certainly somebody who could be let go if the right coaching candidate comes around. Don't you think?


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[Assistant] Exactly. Uh, I know Dom in the chat pointed out that Ben Johnson could be the guy.


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[Assistant] There is definitely a connection with Rick Spielman and the Lions. I mean, Chris Spielman is, uh, president of football operations or something. Rick's brother, Chris, is heavily involved in the front office in Detroit. And that, I mean, I'm not saying that that's going to sway anything and that Ben Johnson's be like, oh, cool. I'll go to Washington because your brother's working there.


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[Assistant] You know, in the business world and in the foot, just as in, just as in, as is in the business world, the football world operates on connections. And if there is a case, like if the, if Washington wants to go after Ben Johnson.


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[Assistant] You have a direct conduit from Rick to Chris to Ben Johnson. Like, you know what I mean? I don't think it's like crazy to suggest that.


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[Assistant] It would seem like, I mean, I'm joking about the background Drake myself, but I mean, there's a pretty good chance that Drake may, yeah.


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[Assistant] Let's assume Caleb Williams goes one to some team that trades up with the Bears.


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[Assistant] If you think about it though, like it's not insane to, you're Josh Harris, you paid $6 billion for the franchise. You want to get the easiest possible way.


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[Assistant] To get a sit down with Ben Johnson and have him like.


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[Assistant] Tell Ben that this is a good look. Like I've worked. Yeah. I mean, like, you know what I mean? Like it, it's a very smart and savvy business move, I think. And that outside the box stuff that they're doing with the Bob Myers thing, I think that probably resonates with Ben Johnson as well. So smart to talk to the lions coaches. Um, and I'm sure we will see.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's right. How'd you get that tweet before I did? I just got it.


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[Assistant] No. Any other candidates to stand out to you as uhm.


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[Assistant] When you talk to these candidates, you sort of have to say, what do you think? I mean, it's so weird because you kind of need to say, what do you think about this draft class?


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[Assistant] You know, do you like, have you watched any Caleb Williams and these candidates probably may not have like, they may have like seen it, but not watch like a bunch of film. I think, I mean, I'm, I'm almost certainly going off. I mean, I would have not be opposed to CEO at all, but I would want to go offensive mind.


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[Assistant] If I have the number two overall pick and I plan on drafting a quarterback primarily breach because.


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[Assistant] If you go defensive or CEO, let's say, let's say, just take the Texas as an example. It's actually a great example because they drafted second overall. It took CJ Stroud. They hired to Mika Ryan's.


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[Assistant] They draft CJ Stroud. CJ Stroud has this incredible year, but now his offensive coordinator could leave for a head coaching job.


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[Assistant] And so like you could, you could lose the continuity of that quarterback development for through your, by virtue of going with the defensive guy or CEO guy simply by virtue of your own success. But.


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[Assistant] Like Bryce Young is not losing continuity because he was like, you know what I mean? Right. Because he, because he just travels so good. Bobby Slowick is getting looks as a head coach or is going to get looks as a head coach. And so that's there's, that's why I would probably lean offensive guy.


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[Assistant] So that'll do it for us. Ron Rivera fired in Washington. Riverboat Ron. Oh, one more thing. Do you think Riverboat Ron gets a third try as a head coach?


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[Assistant] Fun fact, one of the few, um, of the recent guys who've gotten three tries, John Fox, Lovey Smith, both of them coached in the O. C. South.


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[Assistant] I can see Rhonda very getting another look at some going to Tampa back here. Yeah, exactly. Going to, yeah, going somewhere. All right. That'll do it for us. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening for a breach. I'm Brinson. We'll see you guys later.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no. I mean, CJ Stratton I think is the top of my list. Uh, right there though, too, is Jordan Love. I mean, on the road, doing what he did to the Dallas Cow was a defense that when you looked at him, you're thinking like, alright.


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[Assistant] But right out the gate, I mean, he was slinging and they didn't stop. They had a great game plan too for the Cowboys. And it just seemed like there really was no adjustment Dan Quick could make with that group and they took care of business. So again, not a rookie, but first start in the playoffs on the road and his first season starting.


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[Assistant] You know, really for a quarterback, if you give me man to man, I'm good, okay? Cause I most likely know my man beaters. I know the matchup that I want to work to. It's all about figuring out what type of man coverage it is. Another thing is,


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[Assistant] It's probably handling pressure, because a lot of teams in the NFL, when they bring pressure, they want to play some sort of man to man coverage behind it. And you're most likely, depending on the type of pressure or the type of man coverage,


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[Assistant] That's going to be impacted, especially if it's press, you know, man-to-man coverage where there's going to be a jam or even the depth of the route, right? Like if I'm normally throwing a route that it's supposed to be a nine yard stop.


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[Assistant] I mean, it might not be at nine yards because the press man of man covers and timing element to that. So


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[Assistant] All those things play a factor into what is not an exact science, but making it even less of an exact science. That's usually why, uh, the combination of pressure, the combination of lack of an ability to get open, uh, a little tighter window that plays a role in guys maybe struggling versus man to man.


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[Assistant] I would say across the board, that's usually the case. Like, if you want to give zone coverage, that's great. We'll find the windows for zone coverage. If it's a match zone, different story, we can get into that.


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[Assistant] It was interesting because even when the Browns did go to that zone coverage and you point out the Dalton Schultz play where they got Ronnie Hickman isolated on Schultz, they still were able to find those mismatches and still able to find those, those holes and really shots that they were taking downfield, whether it was Emerson, whether it was Hickman.


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[Assistant] The Texans really didn't feel like threatened at all. I thought Bobby Sloan did a tremendous job scheming things up and then obviously CJ Trout executing on those plays.


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[Assistant] That's the funny thing, and not to just kind of go into it like, uh, you know, the, the...


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[Assistant] Hey, after you beat them for a few big plays, like, usually they settle into something. There's a safe coverage, there's a safe defense, a defensive coordinator is going to play, and that's where, like, you see the Dalton Schultz play, it's like, well, even in a too high look like that,


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[Assistant] Doesn't matter, they're still going to try to find a way of throwing a haymaker and throwing a shot against you. And that might have been in a response because we're not matching up well on man, we're not matching up well on post-isome. Let's kind of mix some things up and see how the rookie handles it.


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[Assistant] Still passive with flying colors. So, uh, it becomes really hard for any defensive coordinator, Dan Quinn included, you know, with the way the Packers came out versus the Cowboys, to make adjustments when you can't get anything going right, right? It's like, we're just trying to stop what we already saw and was executed in front of us. We can't even stop the next thing that's coming on the pipeline.


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[Assistant] Well, I also think there's a big difference between and I've heard people talk about this and talking about like what makes a good head coach, what makes a good head coach candidate. I think a lot of times


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[Assistant] We do get enamored with someone who seems to be very proficient on their side of the ball. That's an offensive play caller, defensive play caller, and that is obviously a quality and a characteristic you have to have, right? Now, it still doesn't make you a great leader of men.


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[Assistant] And, and I heard Pete kind of talk about this earlier this week. He's like, hey, Dan Campbell wasn't a good play caller when he was a play caller. I said, yeah, I get that. But he's a leader of many. He lets his coaches coach. That's great. Here's the problem.


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[Assistant] Is, you do still have to be good at X's and O's. You do still have to be able to walk into that room, offensively, defensively, when things aren't going well and go,


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[Assistant] This is what we need to improve upon. This is what we gotta fix. And you have to be able to kind of consult and work with that coordinator, defense or offensively, to make those fixes. It can't just be about being a figurehead. It can't just be about overseeing the whole thing.


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[Assistant] There's conversations of coaches being hired for head coaches.


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[Assistant] You know, we can be very enamored with our offensive prowess or defensive prowess, but they still have to be a leader of men. Like those are two separate hats you've got to wear as a head coach and you've got to be able to kind of oversee the whole thing too. But understand.


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[Assistant] When you got to interject yourself when you don't have to in those instances, I guess. So I do want to touch on that because I think sometimes like it's lost. We talk about scheme. A lot of times people are like, he's a great offensive play, go and be a great head coach. No, no, no.


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[Assistant] I kinda, I kinda keep going back to the fact that like it, you know, there's some guys who they're great in preparation leading up to a game, even as like an OC, and then they get into the game, they can't call plays. Yeah. And they just don't have a rhythm for it. They don't have a feel for it. But like, I'm telling you, like when they break down film, when they install a play, when they look at it, like,


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[Assistant] They've got it. Like they understand how to get guys open, how to do it, but they just can't figure out when to call it during the course of the game. Like that's its own skill as well. So aside from just breaking down tape,


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[Assistant] Preparing players, all the preparation that goes into it. It's also being able to like be able to be that sort of shot caller once you get into a game and actually do it like line this thing up.


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[Assistant] I mean, look, we could talk a lot about this because I think it's one of the most fascinating things about, you know, quarterback play and then how they go about handling pressure. You know, there's so many thoughts to it. The first is when a team's bringing pressure from one side.


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[Assistant] Are you the type of team that throws into pressure? Meaning, do you have a hot route, a guy who's gonna break off his route because, you know, a linebacker or someone at that level is coming? Uh, or, and then if you bring a secondary defender, some people will categorize that as a site adjust.


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[Assistant] Uhm, are you gonna throw and break out that route because of that pressure? Or do you have a quick answer built in?


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[Assistant] Uh, or, you know, do you have a particular play that, you know, you're going to have to use the fake to be able to sell out on that and boot and kind of maneuver around. Um, and so there's, there's all sorts of different questions that you have to answer and how you want to go about handling pressure.


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[Assistant] Uh, and to me it always starts with, are we a throw into pressure team? Are we a block it up team? Are we a throw away from pressure team? Usually if they're bringing guys here, they're going to be taking a void over here and then running some guys to fill that void. Well, if that's the case, there's a big gap over here.


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[Assistant] The problem is, is if you're a quarterback and you got pressure coming, there's going to be someone who's going to be uncovered. You got to get the ball out accurately to that guy and he's got to get to that spot and he might not even know it all the time before you get hit, right? So there's all those conversations you typically have in regards to what type of offense you're going to run and how you go about handling pressure.


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[Assistant] The other thing as far as blocking up and you heard Luje kind of talk about those, those blitz meetings.


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[Assistant] That all comes down to like, how do you want to go about handling unique looks? Like a lot of times,


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[Assistant] The look that usually gives most teams the most issues is a double a gap pressure, right? You have two linebackers sit over the center. You got usually a guy pressed up on the outside on the slot.


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[Assistant] And it's always figuring out which one of the three, which two of the three, who's coming, who's not. Those guys, a lot of times are reading the slide of the line to then determine this guy's going to fake. If the line's going this way, he's going to fake and then he's going to rush, you know, and then maybe you might get the slot guy coming as well. It's all by design to try to stress.


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[Assistant] They're trying to get mismatches in the rush, right? They're trying to get a, you know, running back on a defensive end. They're trying to get, you know, some sort of mismatch like that to get a free run or get a free rush or get pressure. So, you know, the hard thing about the Eagles and how they get to this point is, you know, Nick Sirianni's call plays before, not extensively, you know, during his time in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Brian Johnson, their offensive coordinator, he hasn't called a lot obviously in the NFL.


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[Assistant] I kinda went into the season thinking you lost a great play caller in Shane Steichen, you lost a great defensive coordinator in Jonathan Gannon. There's gonna be some growing pains. And I think that's some of what we saw this year is I don't know that we ever got an identity for the Eagles offensively. I don't think they ever addressed how to handle pressure.


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[Assistant] And I think coming into this offseason, if they kind of stay intact, stay put.


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[Assistant] They're gonna work on all those things. They're gonna have a game plan for it. We used to say, like, have your toolbox. Like, you get a look that you don't know what to do with, you go to a 7-man protection, you have a combination of routes you can get to that you know are gonna get open. And if you have a 7-man protection, if you got a tight end in the game,


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[Assistant] You should be able to protect up whatever you see out there and drop back comfortably knowing, yea, I may have to get the ball out a little bit quick, but I know one of these guys is eventually going to get open, regardless of what that pressure is.


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[Assistant] Maybe, I mean, I think the tough thing is for the guys who don't know what they don't know, me and the young quarterbacks, you know, CJ Stroud or your love, like.


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[Assistant] There's a level to thinking like, dude, we're going to be here every year, right? Like we're going to get back this every year. We're going to be in this mode. Like you don't understand how rare these opportunities come and how hard it is to get to the playoffs, let alone get to the divisional round. So.


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[Assistant] There's definitely like a power in being able to like watch a team play loose, play free and not have really any concerns, right? Cause you're playing with house money.


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[Assistant] And then on the other side, like, there is wisdom in, hey, we've been here before. We know how to prepare ourselves, prepare our body. We know how to make adjustments in game too, which is always a huge piece of how things operate once you get to the playoff level as things speed up.


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[Assistant] So there definitely is an importance to that too, but also for guys like Josh Allen and Patrick problems, like they understand how hard it is to get to this point, how hard it is to get through one, one of each other just to get to that spot. So I kind of look at it and think.


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[Assistant] It's nice if you're Jordan Love and CJ Stroud. Be just able to go out and say, no one's expecting us to win. No one's expecting us to come close in this case. I can go out there and play free and yeah, I'll be here probably next year. Like that's most likely a train of thought. It's probably a little lighter on them. I would say as a quarterback.


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[Assistant] I think there's a few things, like I remember when I first got into the league, like there's a few things that they immediately try to change that I was doing fundamentally. One was my footwork, right? The types of drops that I was doing. It was a ton of work on my feet and how I did to sink my feet with the drop back passing play action passing game. The other was my grip.


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[Assistant] We worked a lot on changing my grip on the football, uhm, which took me a while to feel a little more comfortable with it.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so, you know, if you're working on things within your feet, as well as your throwing motion or grip, something of that nature, you know, you're already kind of balanced the fundamentals of playing that position. Meanwhile, trying to learn an NFL offense and then trying to apply it how to different NFL defenses.


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[Assistant] I would say the one thing that from a grassroots, very young age from elementary to junior high to high school now is private quarterback coaching. And I know some guys get a bad rep, but for the most part it has helped prepare these young quarterbacks now.


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[Assistant] They're, they're not really working on too many things. They're making minor tweaks and adjustments and fixes, but it's not like you've got a guy who's, he's just a great athlete and he's just out there kind of roaming around and we've got to like really rein in his ability. Like I remember my throwing motion into high school because I pitched and played baseball as well as played, played football.


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[Assistant] You know, that's no longer really like what the case is. These guys specialize, they're with a coach when they're young. And much like you've got a swing coach in golf, you got like kind of a swing coach in football where you're playing quarterback. And I think because those guys now,


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[Assistant] Are so much better prepared fundamentally and technically throwing the football. It really only allows them when they segue into the NFL to have to learn an offense and then on top of that.


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[Assistant] I definitely think the NFL has adjusted in a way to really for survival for a lot of these coaches and a lot of these, um, these quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] To allow them to have systems where they can excel early on, but also they're so much further ahead with their throwing motions, you know, right out the gate where it's not even a concern when they get in the NFL.


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[Assistant] It's obviously tough when you hear about a guy like Tom Brady who's one of the greatest ever and that's unfortunately how he has to go about.


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[Assistant] I thought the thing that he brought up in his podcast that made the most sense, I think this is why like the media should be more delicate in handling this is, you know, players and when it's the end for them.


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[Assistant] They want to do it the right way. And I think for a guy like Jason Kelsey, you know, he talked about how there's so many people that helped him


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[Assistant] And so when they find out and when, when all that, whenever that time comes, he wants to make sure that he communicates it to them the right way and he makes sure like people understand how much they meant to him, how big of a part they were in him, you know, getting to that point.


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[Assistant] I look at it and I completely understand, like, why these guys would be more delicate about it, but that's the reality of the media now.


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[Assistant] Ryan, did you hear, did you hear though, like what he says every time they do the tush push? What does he say?


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[Assistant] Well, I'm really, I'm really towards Travis Kelso. He will formally play quarterback. Uh, I love him so I think he's a great athlete in general, but he's got a block. He's got a catch. He's got to be able to run out in space. And by the way, he's got to be able to dance. Cause you.


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[Assistant] Joe. Thomas. Uh, three. Three. Yeaah, he was my left tackle. But yeaah, I was saying man, you remember all your centers? I mean, shoot man, all those guys are great. So, we uh, you love all your alignment. You really do.


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[Assistant] Because, it's the shortest spread, alright, their defense is all banged up, they're taking on KC, I'm taking Buffalo though, because I'll be honest with you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, actually now I'm thinking though, like, it's only versus me versus Will, cause if you, if you miss this for Will, then it's just. You win. You win. Maybe it's a master strategy.


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[Assistant] I'd rather be more rested at this point. So, let's not forget to see Brock Purdy after the surgery because he got injured in last year's playoffs coming back.


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[Assistant] You know, you're not going to be fully a hundred percent from something like that. So probably like next year, uh, start of the season. So additional time on that arm to take off, let it recuperate, let it continue to heal amongst a lot of other players that needed more time to heal.


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[Assistant] I personally would rather err on the side of being more rested and worry about Russ because I want those guys flying off the ball, you know, pounding what they see in front of them, ready to go and try to get to an AFC or NFC championship game.


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[Assistant] I think it's interesting that a lot of people, we were talking about this, a lot of Eagles fans were like, we will drop Brian Johnson off in front of Carolina if they want him. So I thought it was just an interesting tweet when I saw that he was interviewing for, I mean, amazing opportunity for him. I don't want to take anything away from Brian Johnson at all.


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[Assistant] Well, the interesting thing is, let's not forget when Brian Flores was interviewing for the Giants job, he texted Bill Belichick, asked him, oh, Bill Belichick texted him and was like, congrats. He was like, well, you know, I think I do got a good chance. And then he realized, like, maybe he's not talking to me. He was like, Bill, are you talking about Brian Gable?


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[Assistant] Okay. And we had this thing called, uh, it was warm. What was, what was it called? Warm something. It was like the white cream. You could heat your body up. Tiger Balm and all that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I'm like Brady, I grew up in Florida, right? So, uh, as far as playing in cold weather, it doesn't bother me as much, but that Kansas City game, that's a bit different, right? We were talking about this before we got on air.


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[Assistant] When it's single digits and then with the windchill becomes negative, that's a totally different animal in itself, right? Like every time you disengage, just talking about from trenches play, disengage with the offensive lineman, like your fingers feel like they get jammed every single play.


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[Assistant] When it's that cold, no matter how many jackets you got on the sideline, no matter how hot the, the, the wheat, uh, the heated bench is, you just never feel warm enough. You always feel cold. So it literally becomes like a mental gymnastic. Like you got to tell yourself it's not that cold. It's not that cold.


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[Assistant] I'm so glad you said that because we were actually talking about this last week on the podcast.


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[Assistant] to make a run at least at game. Bare minimum. I thi or bus for Mike McCarthy the way this team is constr interesting point. If Green which Green Bay has had a won the last four against never lost at 18 and t stat Aaron Rodgers as quarterb


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[Assistant] franchise in the future because it's going to be a carousel going around. And if you fire guy, like you said, he's a hot commodity and three other four teams want them. Are you making the right decision? You better have a concrete plan in place because if not, you'll have these issues that the Carolina Panthers are having the Atlanta Falcons are having and then you'll keep firing coaches every two years. So


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[Assistant] I mean, that will do that as well too, but there's rumors that he's hard to work with, but we know his players love to play for him and he's a demanding coach. But like you said, Ray was going to be a hot commodity. I look at situations.


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[Assistant] A lot of people thought last year they were probably going to be picking top 5 and they went to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I know, where would Seattle slot in there? Where do you think? Oh, Seattle is definitely the top four. Seattle would be up first. I would say too, honestly, me, I would say Chargers in Seattle. Then honestly, I would go Falcons, then commanders. Look, here's the thing.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, I think with that, you have to really sit down and think, are we going to have Gino for the next two or three years? Because I think they technically could get out of the deal after this year. Uhm, or is this a situation where we're going to draft the guy and we need to mold him? Then do you maybe lean towards the offensive minded coach?


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[Assistant] Oh man. I think the familiarity with Quinn just makes it too obvious. He's been to a Super Bowl. Yea, I think it's Dan Quinn with Seattle.


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[Assistant] I was going to say, I was surprised the head isn't blue. Is that blue? It looks black.


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[Assistant] It does look black. It looks black and red. It looks like the bulls. It looks like the bulls, dude. It's looking around.


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[Assistant] Taking us to relationships like, you know, it was an amicable breakup. Somebody's gonna feel away. One person is gonna feel away more than the other person, right? So.


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[Assistant] No matter what, like there's always a little bit of added incentive when you play your old team, even if you know, you decided it was free agency, you got more money somewhere else. You feel the way because you're like, y'all didn't feel like I was worth this. So when I come here, I'm going to lay, I lay it on the line every week, but it's just a little added incentive to beat you guys just because you guys decided not to pay me what this other team did.


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[Assistant] Happy to, Hey, I just want to say that working with you during 2023 was fantastic. And while we won't know about all my bold predictions for the season until next year, I do want to say that my prediction that breach would show up drunk and flustered for this podcast was accurate. All right, we're going to hit.


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[Assistant] Uh, yes and yes. Oh good. Um, on it, I had to miss my number one MVP before they beat the 49ers. So easy to just ride the wave, leave Lamar at number one. And I wrote for CBS sports.com after the Ravens game. And really it was, it was almost done before the end of the Ravens game. Like, uh,


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[Assistant] Tyler Huntley was in there chucking passes to Charlie Kohler for touchdowns to make it 56 to 19, the final score. Uh, by the way, shout out to a friend of the podcast.


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[Assistant] Our good friend in real life, Adam Beasley, AKA wild card who got absolutely dragged by old takes exposed for noting that there was zero chance in hell that the dolphins would get 42 points scored on them by the Ravens. The Baltimore Ravens are the best team in football. They've answered every.


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[Assistant] Every question, every time they've been asked a question by the schedule makers, they have answered it. They have done it in emphatic fashion at home and on the road. I think when you look at their, you know, they're actually better on the, on the road. There's seven and one on the road this year.


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[Assistant] And five and three at home, their home losses are to the Colts, to the Browns.


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[Assistant] And excuse me, five and two at home, seven and one on the road. Um, so just Colton and Browns.


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[Assistant] They have now tied the record of the 1958 1961 Colts for most consecutive wins by 14 plus points versus teams who came into that came three games above 500. And I think we've talked about this Ravens team a lot. They,


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[Assistant] Didn't have not asked Lamar Jackson to use his legs to win a game at all really this season. Maybe a little bit against the Rams.


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[Assistant] He, he's rushed well, but he hasn't had to rush. He's been a great pocket passer. Todd Munkin deserves an insane amount of credit and John Harbaugh deserves us an insane amount of credit.


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[Assistant] For bringing in this new, Harbaugh gets credit for bringing in Monkin, and Monkin deserves credit for getting this, the best out of Lamar Jackson. An absolute MVP season.


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[Assistant] With this performance against the Dolphins on Sunday, also cemented his hall of fame resume.


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[Assistant] I think it is interesting, Wilson, that you look, you guys are, uh, AFC North of Fibes or Files or whatever it would be. You're a Steelers fan. He's a Bingo's fan. Uh, like.


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[Assistant] I still feel the Ravens are, I mean, I know they just smoked the 49ers. They just torched the Dolphins. They have obliterated the Lions in Baltimore. They destroyed the Seahawks in Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Yeah, again, their losses are, they like to where they give a bunch of points late. They've been leading by 90% of the time that they played football this year. And yet somehow I feel like they're a little underrated because people just don't want to like them. Does that seem fair?


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[Assistant] For whatever reason this sort of perv- and look, I think it's important because if you think about the two Ravens teams prior to the one, the Super Bowl, prior to this Ravens team.


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[Assistant] You have the Trent Dilfer team within, I mean all time defense and plenty of characters on that defense, but they weren't very likable or enjoyable because they were doing it with defense and Trent Dilfer and Jamal Lewis. And then you had the Joe Flacco team, which had Ray Rice.


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[Assistant] Flacco who was middling and average and no one wanted to have the, like the Flacco conversation was annoying and they had Ray Lewis who may or may not have sprayed his body with deer antler steroids before the Superbowl. Who is to say?


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[Assistant] They had a lot of good players, but like at no point in this team has Lamar and he's a superstar, but they have like a lot of just under the radar stars who like Zay Flowers is awesome. Isaiah likely is playing awesome. Kyle Hamilton has done incredible work and really taking a bigger step in the second year.


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[Assistant] And I want to make one more point about Lamar Jackson before we move on.


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[Assistant] I wrote about this in March, like March 15th. I think I just did a little tremendous article by the way. Um, I wrote about it. Any team in the NFL that had a quarterback problem.


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[Assistant] Or even not a quarterback problem. Could have made an offer.


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[Assistant] Made an offer to Lamar Jackson. The Panthers made it known quickly. They did not want to pursue Lamar Jackson and then promptly traded a bunch of first round picks to move up and get Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] The commanders made it known they did not want to pursue Lamar Jackson and then promptly ran Sam Howell out there and the coach is going to get fired. But obviously the Panthers coach already fired.


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[Assistant] The Falcons made it known that they did not want to pursue Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] I firmly still believe that the reason these teams didn't want to do it is because owners around the NFL didn't like the idea of Deshaun Watson getting a fully guaranteed contract. Did not want to see that become a thing that happened twice because then it could become norm.


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[Assistant] The norm with Joe burrow and Justin Herbert on deck.


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[Assistant] And all these other extensions coming out and that all these donors got together and said, let's not offer anything for Lamar because in a league where quarterbacks are everything.


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[Assistant] And these guys don't care about whose toes they step on to win football games. No one wanted the current MVP, a two time MVP, and it's outrageous.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the one thing you worry about with the Niners is you get blown out by the Ravens and then you go, look, they took care of business and they were just, they weren't going to lose this game. I think it was a little bit, it felt like it was a little bit closer.


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[Assistant] It was 10 to 10 and then it was 13 days. It was 10 to 10 late in the second quarter, 13 to 10 and a half. And then the halftime adjustments, I think it's just coaching and talent takeover.


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[Assistant] I do worry. We, we said for like this most of the second half of the season, we kept saying,


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[Assistant] The Niners are the best team in football as long as they're healthy.


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[Assistant] We just true is banged up. Diba Samuel banged up now. Christian McCaffrey banged up. Yes, they have.


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[Assistant] Plenty of talent to overcome the injuries in a spot like at Washington who had to start Sam Howell who was benched.


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[Assistant] For Jacobi percent, but then Jacobi percent got hurt midweek in practice. So Samuel, Sam Howell had to start anyway. Like this Washington team is phoning it in. So I just, I worried just a.


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[Assistant] What's about the health of the- I don't know, the 49ers, this is a-


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[Assistant] A casual cover, a casual win on the road against a, you know, a conference team, a little bit of a revenge game for Kyle, but I just worried a little bit like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] HQ? Was it you and I making that point on HQ? I made that, at some point it was like, it benefits you to play the Niners right before you play the...


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[Assistant] Dolphins because you're, you have these really fast linebackers and broken Smith, et cetera, who can fly around horizontally and you sort of know what the scheme looks like. Um, as far as the Niners go though, and this is not a playoff picture question, it's more of a, by the way, Dallas currently the number two seed.


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[Assistant] I don't know, man. I feel like you look at the NFC and...


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[Assistant] Just with the way the 49ers are dinged up and all of the injuries and the way that Baltimore handled them, it feels a lot less like.


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[Assistant] They're unstoppable when it comes to that side of the bracket now.


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[Assistant] I mean, look, if you take the Eagles since the bye, week 10.


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[Assistant] They beat the chiefs and the bills coming out of the bay and both of those wins were like total.


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[Assistant] They just find ways to win even though they clearly got beat in those games wins. They should have lost both of those games. They lose the next three to the Niners Cowboys and Seahawks. They beat the Giants on Christmas Day and it wasn't easy and it was they could have been going the other way and then they lose at home to the Cardinals six days later. This is a team that quite frankly could be nine and six.


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[Assistant] Cardinals, look, revenge game for Jonathan Gannon, of course. Frisky, frisky, frisky response by the Cardinals here.


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[Assistant] And they were this team that early on, remember they beat the Patriot, they barely beat the Patriots week one on the road in New England, you know, tough spot. They beat the Vikings by one score. They handled the box of that Monday night game. I think, um, it was the early Monday night game. They barely beat the commanders at home.


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[Assistant] They've been wobbly all season long and I have a really, really hard time trusting them when we get to the playoffs. And if we talk about what's going to happen, they're going to lose the division now.


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[Assistant] Uh, and Arthur Juan Brown. He got it. He got it. I just got it. Arthur Juan Brown. Way to go. Alright, you love him. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Snap on me. That's right, you got snapped. Since Halloween, he has two touchdowns.


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[Assistant] No, excuse me. Uh, oh yeah. Two touchdowns and one 100 yard game. And that 100 yard game came in the 42 to 19 loss of the 49ers. So plenty of garbage time there. It has been this, this passing attack.


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[Assistant] Is not what it was. It feels like the Eagles offense is, and maybe this is partially because of how, you know, when you're watching a bunch of games and you're hearing the commentary, it feels like the Eagles offense is basically designed to get them into touch posts situations. Oh,


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[Assistant] Did your sister, I, what is this room in your sister's house? Like I, if it's like something you don't want to like.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm, maybe I'm just not giving this take strongly enough. But I feel like I've alluded to it. The Chiefs defense has been really, really good all season long. There's no reason to believe that it's going to fall off a cliff. Travis Kelsey.


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[Assistant] Obviously jinxed by Taylor Swift. That's clear enough. I mean, like everyone can see that clip and posted Harry and get me canceled. Um,


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[Assistant] Like remember the first Chief Super Bowl with Mahomes and Andy Reid? The offense was incredible.


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[Assistant] But it always feels like if you're asking the Chiefs defense to just get hot, that's, that's maybe you're like, like that could happen, but it's kind of random. Even though Steve Spags has done it with the Giants too. The Chiefs defense is already hot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's not a bold claim. Okay. Did they went to the division?


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[Assistant] With bring backs to like Traylon Berks and it was like Tane Hill came in and I was like, yes, now we've got to shoot out on our hands. I have the Texas score three points, the Titans score three points. Um,


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[Assistant] I'm not trying to scoff at the idea of the Texans like making a run, but.


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[Assistant] We know that traditionally rookie quarterbacks do not fare well in their first playoff game. Um, CJ shrouded believe his only playoff game was against Georgia and he was great. So, you know, in college, I don't want to


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[Assistant] The bingo. I'm just doing some quick napkin math here. Raven sit the starter. Steelers win.