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[Assistant] I guess the Carson Wentz. So he missed the playoffs. His job is definitely, you know, if they kept Carson Wentz around and they missed the playoffs again, he's probably getting fired because Jim Ursay really doesn't like Carson Wentz.


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[Assistant] But I think Reich is just so solid as a, uh, as a coach and actually who was I talking to? Oh yeah, this was, so this is, um,


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[Assistant] It is shorting out. I'm trying to remember exactly. The person I was talking to was like, yeah, it was definitely, uh, it was a girl at the bar after the Polyshore. Like there's a downstairs bar at the concert. She was with, they were going to the show. We were. Urban Meyer. Okay.


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[Assistant] A girl who's sitting there and somehow, I don't know how the hell this happened, but she basically knew, like, she's like, was good friends with Frank Reich's daughter or something like that. And was just, and like, like, just the way that she described him, like, I think he's like the short version of this character.


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[Assistant] I didn't, you know, man, I watched this guy play a bunch. And, um, you know, I, I, you know, obviously, you know, been impressed with his play called, you know, his work as a coach. But when you listen to him talk, it's like, gee, he just really commands the commands the room and has this like, and the point of the story about the bar.


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[Assistant] Is that I think he is like just a really genuine person.


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[Assistant] And I think that comes across to his players and like they buy into it because he is, there is no like, like, you know, there's no like false bravado about Frank Reichenhall.


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[Assistant] It's a great point though, like he is able to, and he obviously worked with Carson Wentz before, and he'd worked with Philip Rivers too in San Diego as his quarterbacks coach back in the day. Maybe OC as well, I can't remember.


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[Assistant] Point being is like he has been able to work with multiple quarterbacks of various ages and various skill sets and it has been successful like to, to a large enough degree that I think he deserves where he is. And then Kevin Stefanski, um,


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[Assistant] You know, big challenge coming this year. Certainly a down, you know, a disappointing season last year, but.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, I think that he has shown that he is analytically sound and, uh, a smart decision maker and very calm in the moment and just seems like he sort of gets it. And, you know, he's sort of timed his, his departure. Like he was, he's very sort of, I think he would, it felt like you, oh, sorry, um, desk.


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[Assistant] I felt like he was very careful about his selection of the job and even though he picked Cleveland for some freaking reason. I'm fine with Stefanski there. Uhm, alright. So, to the top 11. Are you a Spinal Tap fan? You're a big movie guy. You like Spinal Tap?


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[Assistant] It's a big, it's like a big, it's a mockumentary. It's like Rob, put Rob Ryder on the map, uhm, but, uh, it's about a band, and the joke is like, they're like, they're like looking at me like, wait, why do your amplifiers, like,


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[Assistant] They go from 1 to 11. They're like, these go to 11. And they're like, why 11? It's like, because 11 is louder than 10. It's like, but it's still like, yeah. So these go to 11. I thought you- They do?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Now, having, knowing now that you haven't seen Spinal Tap.


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[Assistant] Uh, my guess is that you chose instead to finagle.


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[Assistant] If you put Mike McCarthy in the top 11, people would riot. I mean, duh, duh, duh.


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[Assistant] They went 7-9 his first season, 13-3 they win the title, 9-7, 9-7, and they did a bunch of injuries and Carson had the head thing where he couldn't play football anymore because he broke his brain because of Nick Foles.


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[Assistant] But yea, I like, I don't have a problem with Doug Peterson at 11. I really think that Doug...


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[Assistant] I just said Doug like 12 times where you're going. Uhm, I think there's a chance that Doug Peterson ends up justifying this position.


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[Assistant] Not necessarily because the Jaguars are gonna win like 10 games or anything, or even 7 games, but because Trevor Lawrence is going to play football at a level commiserate with his talent.


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[Assistant] As opposed to last year when he had the worst coach in the history of professional football, Urban Meyer, running things into the ground at Jacksonville and like just being not Urban Meyer is going to justify Doug Peterson's position here at 11.


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[Assistant] Yeah, since Andrew Luck. Ms. Elway, Peyton Luck and Trevor Lawrence are the four guys, like the four, can't miss prospects.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm an idiot, that's not true. Uh, Mike Frabel at 10, Kyle Shanahan at 9, Pete Carroll at 8.


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[Assistant] Pete Carroll obviously has the, so like, I think this is a good example of if you took, uh, like, uh, I mean,


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[Assistant] I think that Pete, I think Pete, putting Pete Carroll at eight over those two guys, like I'm taking Kyle Shanahan over Pete Carroll a hundred times out of a hundred. However, Pete Carroll does have a Superbowl.


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[Assistant] He doesn't have any losing seasons. Kyle Shannon has been the one Super Bowl and has been close to a second one.


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[Assistant] But, you know, I think that the Super Bowl, you know, is a Trump card and the variable has just been so steady. I like him at 10. You know, he, I mean, I think he's a much better in game coach than people give him credit for. Like people are like, Oh, he's just a meathead who doesn't know. He's like, dude, like.


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[Assistant] He's like, he outfoxed Belichick with Belichick's own trick, like, you know, a few years back. And the Titans are just always right there. His players love him. Uhm, and you know, like, he was, he'd definitely be, I think,


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[Assistant] Vrabel is easily number one if we did a steel cage death match coach rankings. Uhm, trying to think.


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[Assistant] I'm starting to think who the other number one, uh, number one seed would be along with.


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[Assistant] I think so. Possibly, yeah. Tomlin, Vrabel, uh, Dan Campbell, and Robert Sala, I think are our four number one seeds for the cage match. Yeah.


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[Assistant] If they win five games or something like that, you're probably, he's drifting towards.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Shanahan obviously, you know, I think people, some people, like, some people love him, some people, I love him, so, you know, a lot of people like him.


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[Assistant] Uh, Matt LaFleur has not been up and down. Wins 13 games every friggin' year.


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[Assistant] I mean, I like, I, you know, I think when he got hired, I definitely.


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[Assistant] You know, attributed a lot of it to Aaron Rodgers, and that is true, but like, he's navigated a lot of drama and done a really good job. Like, Rodgers starting to retire, maybe wanted to trade. Now that Devonte Adams trade, like, he has done a good job.


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[Assistant] Making sure that he stays on his quarterbacks good side. Exciting with the QB continuing to win games, continuing to run a great offense. And yeah, they've fallen short in the playoffs, but like, I don't put a ton of that on the floor. You know, obviously the fourth down attempt to me in the championship game, the game against Tampa two years ago, whatever it was, uh, you can put that on, but for the most part, like, I feel like he is a very, very good coach.


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[Assistant] I would say I really want them to use Aaron Jones like line up outside and if they don't like my fantasy chances are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. Line them up, like, move them all around, yeah.


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[Assistant] Top six guy, actually, you know, Sean McDermott is, uh, is.


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[Assistant] The only guy in remaining without a Superbowl ring, which checks out like he's a very good coach.


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[Assistant] I think, I think one of the best coaches, maybe one of the most underrated coaches in football and like he and Brandon Bean, that's another factor too.


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[Assistant] Do you work well with your GM? Do you have the same vision in place? And they do. They came from Carolina. They knew they wanted to work with each other. They've developed a roster. That's one of the best in football. They, you know, I think like kind of underrated.


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[Assistant] The bills, we talked about this like maybe two weeks ago, but like the bills traded out of the slot with the chiefs where Patrick Mahomes was taken.


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[Assistant] And like no one gives them crap for like giving up the pick where my homes went because the very next year they went and got Josh Allen and they came away with, you know, uh, true Davis white as well. So like.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, that could like, in theory, that could have really backfired on him. I think McDermott.


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[Assistant] Aside from the sort of meltdown he had last year with when Belichick went Navy on him, um, and sort of lasted for, you know, they can.


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[Assistant] The Patriots are in his head a little bit, but I think by and large, like this guy is a...


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[Assistant] Uh, and the 13 second thing is obviously a problem too, but like this guy is by and large, like a really, really good head coach and manages games well and, uh, coaches defense really well.


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[Assistant] You know, obviously how they do with Brian Dable leaving, but I think I have an inclination that they'll probably be.


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[Assistant] They run a very like Ron Rivera, Andy Reed, Bill Belichick style program where it's like, they don't, they, you know, you don't have a bunch of people yapping and like, you know, like.


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[Assistant] Alright, our top 5 all Super Bowl winners. Uhm, let's, just because we're running long, I don't want to, I don't want to, I'm not saying we're not talking about Mike Tomlin or John Hartball at all, but like they are like so perfectly yin and yang.


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[Assistant] Where, you know, occasionally their fan bases get mad at them and horrible. Second where he was on the hot seat and Lamar came in and they've won since then. Uhm, Tomlin obviously never had a losing season. They battled each other all the time. Very well respected guys. Each guy has, uh, Tomlin has won Super Bowl, right? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] This is a really interesting year for Tom and I think in particular, just because of the quarterback situation and the transition with the GM.


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[Assistant] Omar Khan, you know, been there forever, but like the transition with like the quarterback and leave Big Ben's gone and like how, what does this look like moving forward? Uh, and then, you know, Harbaugh I think is just.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's the big year for Harbaugh too with Lamar's contract being up, but I anticipate he'll be around for a while. The top three is more interesting to me because you have done.


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[Assistant] I don't want to say it's the unthinkable because I think it's a lot more thinkable now than it would have been two years ago, certainly. Bill Belichick, the third overall rank coach.


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[Assistant] Are you worried that he's going to shiv you in the steel cage at some point because you ranged him third?


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[Assistant] Yes, we would definitely go viral if that, if that happened. I mean, you would, obviously.


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[Assistant] Spending his off-season vacation in a suburb of Minneapolis, shivving NFL writers who ranked him third overall.


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[Assistant] I, I think that's, I think it's, look, I don't, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I just did a lot of stammering. Uhm, I don't think it's like, I don't want to say it's not a bold take because it is a bold take.


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[Assistant] Like it is bold as hell to be like, I'm not ranking Belichick first. I mean, that's...


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[Assistant] I think 90%, maybe 80% at this point of people who did this list would rank Belichick first out of, you know, respect.


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[Assistant] That's obviously true, but I do think you did the right thing here. You bump them down a little bit. Like they haven't been as good since Tom Brady left.


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[Assistant] He just traded in kill Harry to the, to the bears. Like he drafted in kill Harry over Jibo Samuel. Um.


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[Assistant] Uh, this guy named JJ Ortega Whiteside, I'm not sure if you've heard of him. Uh, unnecessary, I'm sorry. Uh, AJ Brown, DK Metcalflake.


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[Assistant] You know, that was Belichick. I mean, yeah. And that's part of, part of the reason they don't have a great wide receiver course because he made that decision himself. And he, you know, it's, it's, it's just in the moment. I think you traded the bears, obviously. Um, right. Last two guys, Sean McVay to Andy Reed one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think Andy Reed is, I think that's a fair ranking.


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[Assistant] Was there any consideration to making McVeigh coming off the Superbowl the number one overall head coach?


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[Assistant] I don't, but I'm okay with that. Uhm, I want to point out that Sean McVeigh.


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[Assistant] And he's been to the Super Bowl twice and won it once.


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[Assistant] No, I was saying there's a point in time where people were like, ooh, did everybody remember when the Jericho, you know, the offense started to stall and they realized they needed to move on from golf and it was like, ooh, did Sean McVeigh get figured out as it turns out? No, now he's added Matthew Stafford who's Arsenal and I mean, I like.


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[Assistant] I know people won't be picking the Rams to repeat and that's okay. Uhm, but I, I sort of think Stafford could just have, I mean, he did that in a, like a single off season, like he could take a leap forward.


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[Assistant] Rural boon. He's like, like up on top of like LA with his supermodel, I guess.


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[Assistant] That's right, that's right. Occasionally snap pictures with like, you know, people who really like NC State football and beer and podcast.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know what, I mean, sometimes- Like a Chuck E. T.


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[Assistant] It's not the NC State games people will come, I'm not trying to like, hobble around, we're like, my buddy Dave, uhm, and I read a game like last year, and like, we were getting beers, and somebody was like, hey! I was like, hey! He's like,


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[Assistant] David's like, what? No. Cause I went to college with David. He's like, this kid, no, no, no, this is unacceptable. This cannot be real life. This needs to end right now. What the hell?


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[Assistant] Stay humble, stay hungry. Uh, yeaah, that's not really my thing. That's sort of, fair humility is really more my thing, Katie. Uh, alright, we, uh, yeaah, yeaah, that's right.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're going to get out of here in exactly right at an hour, which is pretty good because we ranked all 32 head coaches. As always, buddy, it was a pleasure talking to you. Uh, great job on the article. Make sure to check it out on cbsports.com. Follow him on, is it at Cody Benjamin? Cody J? Cody J Benjamin, I knew that. Yeah. For Cody, I'm Brinson. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We'll see you guys later.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're going to talk best NFL teams this century. Joining us to do so.


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[Assistant] Senior. Senior CBS Sports Interval Historian, Brian D'Arna. What's up buddy, how we doing?


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[Assistant] Meaning since 2000, 1999 not included, right? Obviously, starting with 2000 and, uhm,


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[Assistant] I do think that like COVID, you get Tom Brady and he probably violated like 70 different, uhm, COVID rules and all season workout rules with the way he like snuck into a, uh, uh, uh, like he broke COVID protocols and like snuck into a, like a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh


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[Assistant] Park in Tampa, I'd like to throw around with Mike Evans and his boys.


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[Assistant] You know, if a team is that great, you would think they would win the division, but Brady was awesome. You know, they won a ton of football games. Um, clearly this is a team that is, you know.


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[Assistant] I mean, like, I didn't think they were gonna win the title when the playoffs started because...


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[Assistant] I don't know, that was such a difficult run. Three straight road games in the head game. I think that's a good call. It's like a team that it'll age better as we get further away from it more than likely. Uhm, just because, but, but I think it is, like you say, recency bias. You don't want to think of them as a great team, like especially compared to


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[Assistant] You know, not to, I don't want to give away, it's way down the list, but like, you know, I mean, even like the.


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[Assistant] The 09 Saints, I mean, I think just in our head, we'd be like, 09 Saints versus 2020 Bucks, you're like, the Saints would smoke them, right? I mean, like, uh, and so yeah, I think, I think that that's, I think that recency bias, you're trying to get away from it, um, and so that is perfectly fair. Now, maybe a better matchup would be like,


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[Assistant] The number 10 team against the Bucs, the 2015 Carolina Panthers, a team that fell just short of winning the Super Bowl, clearly not a requirement from this list for you. Uh, and I think that's perfectly fine. Uh, 015 Panthers were...


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[Assistant] It was the last week of the season or the next to last week of the season? They were undefeated. They went 15-0, then 15-1.


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[Assistant] Lose the Falcons, and uhm, of course, you know, play really well in the playoffs. Looked like, you know, heavy favorites against the Denver Broncos, and Vaughn Miller in that defense just took over, and Peyton Manning & Company did just enough, but like,


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[Assistant] That Panthers team, with Cam winning MVP, the way that he played all season, with the minimal weapons they had, with the defensive players they had, if they win that Super Bowl,


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, a few years earlier where they just came out and smacked him in the face and they just didn't know how to deal with it. I think, you know, they arrived thinking we're winning this game, we're winning this title and it just didn't pan out, pan out the way that they wanted. Uhm, yeaah, that happens to NFL teams, but, but the 2015 Panthers, one of the most fun teams, we talked about this, uhm,


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[Assistant] Our best quarterback seasons of all time, I guess we're talking about. And I was like, I mentioned the 2015 cam would probably be up there for me just because that 2015 season was, you know, it's just like, yeah, just.


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[Assistant] Three or four years into it at CBS, I mean, the team I grew up watching is, you know, making it to the Super Bowl on this incredible run. You know, my kid had just been born. Yeah, I mean, it's a very memorable, fun season for me, uh, that ultimately culminated in


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's obviously the championship team, right? The wild card team, right? Because the 2011 was the team that was so great in the regular season and plopped in the playoffs. Uh, the 2010...


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[Assistant] Is sort of the, it was really the, you know, Aaron Rodgers had.


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[Assistant] And he just goes on this like, you know, incredible playoff run that culminates in a Super Bowl title, uh, in Dallas. And I think really an underrated Super Bowl, you know, uh, you know, I think it again, like.


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[Assistant] You know, it didn't come down to like the last kick or the last throw, but it was a massive touchdown pass from Aaron Rodgers to Greg Jennings, right? And uhm, and they ultimately take down the Steelers. You know, I think that team is, you know, really kind of the,


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[Assistant] And nearly went to this, nearly went and won the Super Bowl, if not for the Bounty Gate Saints. I mean, yeah, yeah, we'll talk about another, but that's a great point. And you could make a case that this team, the 2010 Packers,


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[Assistant] I mean, extended Mike McCarthy's job in Green Bay by five years because he won that Super Bowl early on with Rogers and probably kept Dom Capers around a long time too because that defense was good enough that nobody, you know, people finally started complaining a few years later when the defense was letting them down. But yeah, that defense was a turnover machine and very, very good.


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[Assistant] Overwhelmed by the fact that I was writing about football professionally somehow. Um, until I realized that like there's all the eight and six, you know, it was like they didn't jump in as a wild card, but we all knew they were good. I don't think we thought about the one score games quite as much. That's a great point. Number eight, the 2006 Indianapolis Colts.


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[Assistant] Peyton Manning is of course his only Super Bowl with the Colts, which...


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[Assistant] Remind me a lot of each other because the offense was clicking. It was what you expected from these great quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] But the important thing was that the defense magically kind of came together and created turnovers and played well down the stretch to, to help even out the, the, the, you know, the way that this, you know, to balance out the scales for this team. And then they draw the, you know, a little luck of the draw, you get Rex Grossman in the Colts in, you know,


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[Assistant] Exactly. Uh, but yeaah, it is interesting. It's like, that cold scene, probably not the best cold scene of that era, but they did win the Super Bowl, and you remember that, like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. And even if he's, and like his only Super Bowl goal would have been the 2015 Broncos and then brutal. Uh, the 0-5 Steelers, the team, as you just mentioned, beat the Colts in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Certainly as a Steelers homer, and I think Ryan Wilson would agree with you, uhm, you know, this is BMax, is this BMax's second Super Bowl? This is his first one.


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[Assistant] This person, okay, okay. Alright, this is the Bill Callaghan Super Bowl, right?


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[Assistant] Yes, uhm, and, uh, you know, our colleague Bill Cower, uh, wins the Super Bowl. Was this the, was this the Seahawks, Steelers Seahawks Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] No offense to the Seahawks, but like you feel like you had a pretty good chance at winning. And look, the Steelers, that's a loaded Steelers defense in 05.


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[Assistant] I guess the Giants did it in 11 too, but, you know, you had the Steelers 05, uhm,


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[Assistant] The Colts were in a, Colts won the division I think in 06, but then like, the Giants in 07.


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[Assistant] Like the Super Bowl itself should not take away from that Steelers team and how, how good they were. At number six, the aforementioned 09 Saints, the 2009.


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[Assistant] Uh, New Orleans Saints, my biggest, uh, my biggest takeaway from the Saints team is that my buddy Garrett Jernigan was, uhm, we were planning his bachelor party and it got planned for Super Bowl weekend.


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[Assistant] And we were either going to go to Wilmington, I don't know why these two places were our picks, but I left, I flew out of Miami, where this game was taking place, because it was between


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[Assistant] Did the whole week leading up to it for FanHouse, uh, before I was working, the year before I was working at CBS. Uhm, and we're either gonna go to Wilmington, North Carolina,


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[Assistant] You know, Breeze and, uhm, you know, the Tracy Porter picks six in the Super Bowl. You have Breeze and the kid with the helmet, you know, the earphones on afterwards. Uh, you know, what it meant to New Orleans, uh, you know, Sean Payton's, uh, aggressive onside kick coming out of the second half. And then of course, like this was the, I think they were tied with the culture last undefeated team, right? Is that right? I think.


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[Assistant] And, and then you also have Bounty Gate that comes out of it. So there's so much, so many different layers that this onion can learn on things.


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[Assistant] I think that he, it's a great question, I think he underachieved for what we thought of him coming out of college, and like the ex, and obviously went number two, Mario Williams went one in the Texans, but like what we were expecting from Reggie Bush, he probably underachieved, but ultimately like,


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[Assistant] His career is probably underappreciated. So I, I guess I, I guess I'm trying to say like, it's, it's a, you know, it's a.


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[Assistant] But was never what we thought Reggie Bush would be when he was coming out of USC as like maybe like one of the greatest college running backs you'll ever see. So I think it's a great question and I mean like having that Super Bowl ring matters a lot too.


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[Assistant] Let's take a quick break and when we come back, the top five teams of the century, according to Brian DiArno, next.


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[Assistant] Alright, I love getting into these top five teams of the century. And I mean, look, you know, I, uhm,


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[Assistant] I covered the next three teams. I mean, obviously, you know, we've been, you know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, we're all, we're all, we watched all these teams, uh, but like all, all the teams, like, you know, I mean,


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know why I'm saying this. I started college in 1999. So like, all these teams have like, they have a pretty vivid memory of all of these teams. Just because, you know, it's like, you know, when you, you know, that's when you start, you know, I mean, I don't know, you just start, you go to Super Bowl parties, you're watching, you're laying around like, you know, the Wormbots. Anyway, uhm, the 2013 Seahawks.


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[Assistant] In, in the Super Bowl, I mean, that's as big an ass-kicking as I've seen in a, in a Super Bowl in my life. And that game was a pick-em. Like, and I wanted to pick the Seahawks because I've always been a big Russ guy and I thought Seattle was going to find a way to win. Uhm, Pete Prisco taught me to take in the Broncos.


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[Assistant] Like the game actually like, looking back at that game log, that Super Bowl could have been a little bit closer than it was. But this 2013 Seahawks team was like everything Pete Carroll wanted out of a, out of a football team. Hard nose running, smart, take care of the football quarterback.


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[Assistant] On a rookie contract, he was dirt cheap, but he was an elite level talent and just, you know, several Hall of Fame defensive players, I think.


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[Assistant] They had signed for like $5 million each. Cause it was just weird.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the Richard Sherman, Aaron Andrews interview. Yeah. Yeah, cause that was like, cause going to that Super Bowl in New York, it was like, holy crap. Like Richard Sherman has exploded on the scene. He's like, you know, the, you know, like, I don't remember who called him the, like,


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[Assistant] So it's just like high level attention being paid to it. Every media outlet in the world is there expecting like, you know, stuff to go down like at the end of that championship game and then the Seahawks thump them. I mean, it's just, but this team is like a legit truck stick the entire season.


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[Assistant] They did it, like, you, you name all those teams, and it was like, this was like the latest team, like,


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[Assistant] Doing this in 2013 when passing offense, the numbers you were seeing from passing offenses at that point was pretty incredible.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, it's, it's definitely close, but I would, I would put it in the Hall of Fame. I mean, like, I don't think it's a slam dunk. I just think, like, he has so many moments.


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[Assistant] I mean, to me, like, I don't look at it as just like, alright, here's the stats as he qualifies, it's like, look at this guy's moments, look at what he did, like, look at his personality to a degree too, I think matters, and just...


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[Assistant] You know, I think about Marshall, it's like diving backwards and grabbing his crotch, like the beast quake, um, just, you know, his off-field exploits and like what he brought and like what, you know, I mean, he give him the ball one more time and they probably have two, he probably has two rings, right? And I mean, so yeah, I think so. I would put him in, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get it.


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[Assistant] Yep, uhm, and look, I was always a big, I had a Marshawn Lynch beast mode cup from when he was drafted by the, by the, by the Buffalo Bills. So like I've always been a big Marshawn guy. So I, I, you know, maybe I'm a little biased, but I think he would definitely be in for me. Uh, the 2019 Chiefs.


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[Assistant] You know, Peyton Manning, I mean, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes had 50 touchdowns, 5,000 passing yards in 2018, one MVP, just a ridiculous coming out party for him. I thought if you watched him play,


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[Assistant] quarterback in 2019 that he was actually a better quarterback down the stretch than he was in 2018 and he just got better than Andy Reid's offense. He understood everything. Um, and then, you know,


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[Assistant] I don't have my drops, I don't have my drops show you, but, you know, they, um, you know, this is a, uh, a team that just.


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[Assistant] So many people play fantasy that, like, the Hill Secret was out, but yeah, I mean, like, he had taken that step forward, but then, you know, he gets hurt, he misses games, he misses, uh, four games and they had guys who stepped in and filled the void. So that certainly makes a difference. The 2016 Patriots, I mean, look.


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[Assistant] I respect you, I mean, spoiler alert, the Pats might be on here twice.


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[Assistant] I mean, didn't accept, oh, oh, this is the Deflategate Season 2, where Garoppolo had to play.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and then, and then, and then, and so Brady didn't, Brady's numbers don't look like that explosive, but because of the, you know, he missed several games.


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[Assistant] 15.6 points per game allowed. Best in the NFL. 14-2. Third in terms of points scored at 27.6 points per game. I mean, just to...


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[Assistant] We're discussing your list on a, on a text thread with Chris Prisco. He's like, he agreed the Rams should definitely be up there if you were talking about teams, as long as you didn't have to win the Super Bowl to count. 31.4 points per game scored first in the NFL, only allowed 17.1 points per game, seventh in the NFL. And think about that, like seventh in the NFL.


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[Assistant] 17.1 points per game in 2001. Like that's a disparity between then and like 2013. You know, we were talking about what the Seahawks allowed. Kurt Warner's follow-up season to his MVP year, 36 touchdowns.


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[Assistant] 22 interceptions, which is a bunch, but he was a monster. Marshall Falk was an absolute animal.


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[Assistant] No, they got Spygate, they got Spygated before Spygate was a thing.


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[Assistant] Everyone knows O7 Patriots, ran the table until they got to the Super Bowl, beaten by Michael Strahan and Eli Manning and David Tyree and Plastico Burris. I mean, just a...


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[Assistant] I mean, a devastating blow to the patch because they had come out of Spygate and the investigation were like, alright.


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[Assistant] Get four home, get home, get home with four, and you know, you do use that NASCAR package that they busted out, and like, that was really the kryptonite for Brady, and it's a kryptonite for any quarterback, but it's like, you're not only beating, you're only beating Tom Brady if you're able to do that, and that way you can hold up on the back end.


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[Assistant] No, I think putting one is the plan. I like the Ram's head too. I think you did the smart thing here. Excellent list. As always, uh, Diardo.


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[Assistant] You can, you can, it just really does depend on the quality of the tattoo too. If you care about the quality...


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[Assistant] It's not going to get you much, but if you don't care and you want to just fulfill the bet.


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[Assistant] That's when, like, you can tell someone's got a really good one by the artist and the detail work and how good they are. Like I have a half sleeve on my arm and it cost me $1,200.


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[Assistant] I want to say cause the forum was like 99 and then they built Staples on it right around 2000.


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[Assistant] Princeton, this is hands down the best podcast of the year. Listeners have been telling me that for years. They wait every single year. They look forward to the July so they can hear my ranking of the best kickers and the 10 best punters. And now we are here. This is the day. I don't know if it's Thursday. I don't know if it's Friday. It doesn't matter, but this is the day it's happening right now.


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[Assistant] Did you get it from IKEA? Is that why it was so complicated to put together?


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[Assistant] Oh, and Brinson, your starting just went wide right. We're actually going to start with the kickers who just missed the list.


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[Assistant] Exactly, and the guys who didn't make it on the rundown because D.Va didn't think they were important.


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[Assistant] I know I'm gonna touch on them quickly. Those are Tyler Bass, Jason Sanders, and Graham Ganow. All very good kickers. Uh, Jason Sanders is a good example of why it's difficult to make a ranking of kickers. Uh, in 2020,


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[Assistant] Jason Sanders was first team all pro, so literally voted by the Associated Press as the best kicker in the NFL. You know what he did, uh, as a follow up to that last season? Had one of the worst kicking seasons of anyone in the NFL, made under 75% of his field goals. So you're talking about the best kicker in the NFL went from the best to the worst.


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[Assistant] Uh, one year later, and so it's hard to quantify what a kicker is going to do because you don't know in the long run if they're going to be able to keep up the consistency. There's only been one kicker that's been truly consistent and awesome throughout his entire career. He's number one on the list, which we'll talk about later.


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[Assistant] Okay, so the spoilers a lot, but we all knew it was Justin Tucker. So like you said, there's no spoiling there. Uhm, so let's go to number 10 real quick.


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[Assistant] It is Nick Falk of the Patreons. And you know what? It's, he's old. He's, I think he's 37. Uh, if I make this list next year, maybe he's not on it because he's so much older, but he's actually gotten better.


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[Assistant] He's gotten a lot better as his career has continued. He was a mediocre to average kicker through the first few years of his career.


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[Assistant] But he's really, I don't know if it's playing for Belichick in New England. Uh, I don't know what has turned his game around, but he has been on point the last couple seasons, uh, last season.


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[Assistant] He went, uh, he did not miss a single field goal under 53 yards. He went 35 for 35. And if you have a kicker who is hitting 100% of their field goals from under 53 yards, you will take them


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[Assistant] All day. I mean, that's really what you want. The NFL, any kick over 55 is kind of a coin toss made with the guy with Justin Tucker. You feel like you have a 75% chance, but with most NFL kickers, it's probably 55 to 60%. So a hundred percent from 53 and in is any NFL coach would take that.


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[Assistant] All right. All right. We'll just do number nine real quick. We all saw him, uh, the Packers. We saw how big he was in that playoff game.


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[Assistant] The 49ers don't win that game without Robbie Gold. He had a 45 yarder, uh, as time expired to give the 49ers that upset win. And that's really a big reason why Robbie Gold is on this list. His playoff accuracy is out of this world. He has attempted.


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[Assistant] 21 field goals in his career in the playoffs. He has never missed one ever in the postseason. That is the NFL. Yeah. I mean, you obviously cannot get more clutch than that.


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[Assistant] And that is also the NFL record for most playoff field goals without a miss. And so if you are that clutch in the postseason, you are going to be on this list. It also doesn't hurt that he's the seventh most accurate kicker of all time in the regular season. Uh, so he is getting up there in age. His numbers haven't been as great the past two years. Uh, but.


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[Assistant] No matter where his numbers are, he still comes through in the playoffs. And that is a big reason why Robbie Gold, who probably I would have put as a top five kicker,


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[Assistant] Three or four years ago. Uh, maybe not that high anymore, but he's still a top ten kicker.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, apparently a lot of bangles fans were also surprised I had him ranked at eight. And so there's two reasons to this. And look, let me point out that Robbie gold, the greatest playoff kicker of all time is only number nine and, and, and Evan McPherson had one of the best.


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[Assistant] Uh, but one reason I could, there's two reasons I couldn't put him up higher. One is the longevity thing. Look, you do not know what a kicker is going to do year to year. So it's hard to put a kicker in the top five.


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[Assistant] coming off just one season. I talked about Jason Sanders at the beginning of the podcast, how he was literally the number one kicker in the NFL, first team All-Pro in 2020, hit under 75% of his field goals in 2021. So you could have that meltdown. And so you need to know that Evan McPherson has that


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[Assistant] Probably the best rookie year of any kicker in NFL history. Uh, and then the other part of it, you look at-


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[Assistant] Right. Well, and Aguayo there was, you know, I didn't think Aguayo was the best kicker in that draft. I can't believe the Buccaneers traded up to get him. And there's just this weird thing that teams do where they see these numbers. Oh, he hit a hundred percent of ex field goals, but I'm pretty sure Aguayo was like a hundred percent on kicks 44 yards and in.


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[Assistant] He set the franchise record for longest field goal at 58 yards, uh, during the 2021 season. And so the other reason he is not in the


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[Assistant] And the reason he was at number 8 is because he did struggle a little bit on the midrange kicks. Uh, there were 17 kickers in the NFL last year.


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[Assistant] Who attempted at least 9 field goals between 40 and 49 yards. That's kind of the, you really want to be good there because that's where a lot of field goals get attempted from. Those are the ones where you're probably not going to go 4 on 4th down. You're going to send your kicker out.


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[Assistant] And McPherson had the second worst field goal percentage out of those 17 kickers. He hit just 66.7% of his field goals from 40 to 49. And that's something that he has to improve on.


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[Assistant] So I felt like you could make an argument that maybe he should be seventh or sixth, but I would not have put him much higher. Give me a strong second season and improve on the 40 to 49 yard field goal numbers and boom, he has plenty of room to shoot up.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, Brenton, because the Bengals are having a punting competition this year. They're having a long snapping competition this year.


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[Assistant] So McPherson could have a new holder in this season. He could have a new long snapper this season and both of those changed the chemistry of the kicking game. And who's to say, uh, he can kick as well if he has two new guys as a holder and a long snapper. So there's certainly.


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[Assistant] Brenton, I get it. You wanna lump a few guys in here? Just do it. Just do it.


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[Assistant] That seems fair. You know what? Jake Elliott, number seven, fun fact, he was drafted by the Bengals. So what does that tell you? Is that, uh, maybe the Buccaneers should try and poach Darren Simmons, the bangle special teams coordinator, because he clearly knows what to look for and kickers getting, uh, both Ed McPherson and Jake Elliott.


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[Assistant] Look, I'll just go Jake Elliott real quick. There were only three kickers in the NFL last season who hit at least 90% of their field goals and made all of their extra points. You kind of forget how big the extra point is now because no one is hitting all of them. It is rare to see an NFL kicker now that they are back


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[Assistant] He got caught by the Bengals. He had a bad training camp his rookie year. And so any special teams coach would have done it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the fifth round pick who actually, fun fact, my dad announced the pick on the NFL Draft Telecast. That's right!


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[Assistant] Uh, yeah, so then the Eagles sign him and he has been with the Eagles ever since and literally I think one of the first two games with the Eagles in 2017.


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[Assistant] Walk off 61 yard field goal. And you know, the Eagles were like, huh, all right, this guy's our kicker. And then Jake Elliott went to super one his first year and he's been riding high ever since.


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[Assistant] If you're a Browns fan, if you're a Browns fan, you have a 0% faith that the kick is going in, wherever your kicker's out there, or Chargers fan.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Matt Gay, look, he was hitting clutch kicks all season. I will say that he suffered a hip injury, I think some sort of injury during the playoffs that kind of killed his range during the postseason.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but other than that, he just had such a strong season. Uh, the Rams were scoring left and right. He hit 98% of his extra points. That was the second highest percentage of, uh, the 11 kickers who attempted 45 or more extra points.


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[Assistant] Um, and you know what? He hit 94.1% of his field goals. That's the more important number. That was the second, made him second most accurate kicker in the NFL last season. And so he is number six and he's someone who, uh, should be healthy and, uh, could move up the list going into next few years.


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[Assistant] And it's like, it just feels like maybe gay wasn't telling McVeigh, hey they rhyme, uhm, how...


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[Assistant] Injury, cause you don't, you want to play and you're telling the coach you can play, but you don't want to say, yeah, I lost eight yards off my range right now because this injury is bothering me.


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[Assistant] Right, but he did hit the clutch kicks, he hit the 30 yard field goal against the Buccaneers, his time expired, that won that playoff game, and then he hit the 30 yard field with like a minute.


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[Assistant] 30 left against the 49ers in the NFC title game that won that playoff game and now people are like, oh, 30 yard field goal. But look, playoffs, clutch field goals. We see misses, Blair Walsh, I mean, we all remember that one from like 26 yards. Kicks get missed in the playoffs when the pressure's on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, what's funny is that the Vikings drafted him and then got rid of him because he struggled literally his rookie year. He struggled in the first few weeks.


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[Assistant] And you see the smart coaches let their kickers work through their growing pains and say, look, every kicker is going to miss. There is no kicker. Even Justin Tucker, who was making 100% of their field goals. It is rare. It's only happened like 15 times in NFL history. It's just something that's not going to happen. So you have to deal with the misses and some coaches won't do that. Zimmer got rid of him.


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[Assistant] After shortly into the 2018 season, the Raiders picked him up and he has just been gold for the Raiders.


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[Assistant] Uh, there are only four kickers in the NFL who have hit at least 90% of their field goals in each of the past two seasons. Carlson is one of them.


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[Assistant] Last two seasons, he's 11 to 12 from beyond 50 yards. So he is, it's hard to find a kicker who's a lock from long range. Carlson has been a lock from long range. He also, I don't think missed any kicks at home.


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[Assistant] Last season and you love that when you know, you can, we saw him kick the game winner against the chargers that 47 yard field goal in week 18. That was huge. Uh, and you know what he has.


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[Assistant] Kickers two through seven all got started with a different team and then let go. And now they're not 10 kickers. So that tells you if you were a guy, if you're a special teams coach or a head coach was kickers missing field goals, that doesn't mean they can't be great. Um, we'll start with young way Q real quick.


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[Assistant] Uh, look, he has been in apps. Chargers have to be kicking themselves, pun intended.


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[Assistant] Over letting Q go, because since he's been in Atlanta, he has been an absolute weapon. There is only one kicker in the NFL, Brinson, who has hit 93% or more of their field goals in each of the past two seasons.


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[Assistant] Is Q, uh, I mentioned Jake Elliott hit 90% of his field goals and 100% of his extra points last season. Uh, young way Q also did, there were only three kickers. It was Elliott Q and Justin Tucker. That is a pretty great list to be on. Uh, went to the pro bowl in 2020.


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[Assistant] Long range, he's been crushing it. He's hit 13 or 14 over the past two years.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you know what? He is also the third most accurate kicker in NFL history, but I don't think he is enough to actually


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[Assistant] I don't know if he's actually qualified for that list yet, but he will be once he, uh, as long as he keeps up.


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[Assistant] And then what do we got? Butker. We all like Butker. The Chiefs love Butker.


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[Assistant] You know what, one of the most clutch field goals of the postseason that gets forgotten because the Chiefs didn't make the Super Bowl was Buckers against the Bills. I mean, it wasn't just the 13, that 13 seconds doesn't happen if Bucker doesn't come through. Nobody remembers that 13 second drive, uh, and the Bills blowing that game. If, uh, Bucker doesn't come through with great points.


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[Assistant] The field goal that tied it because my home's got them in the field goal range and it was a 49 yard field goal. That's a 50 50 shot in a cold weather playoff game that's being played outdoors.


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[Assistant] And, and Buckner making that, that's a big reason why he's on this list. He is a very, very clutch kicker. He is the second most accurate kicker in NFL history.


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[Assistant] Uh, behind only Justin Tucker, he's hit 90.1% of his career field goals. And so he's just come up clutch so many times for the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] I think he's, uh, rookie year was 2017. And so you're talking about a guy who could take that Justin Tucker mantle, uh, if Justin Tucker ever retires, but that probably won't happen because he's only 32 and he probably has 10 more years left. So Tucker's been an absolute weapon and, uh,


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[Assistant] You just think about, you always think about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs offense is so high powered. When you have a rival kicker like that, that helps. And uh, number two?


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[Assistant] As you mentioned is Chris Boswell. This is, I actually got the most.


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[Assistant] Thanks for recognizing Boswell. Uh, this is awesome. He's so underrated. Nobody understands how good he is. All they point to is that 2018 season where he hit like 65% of his field goals.


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[Assistant] That's all they think about when they think of Boswell. Uh, well guess what Boswell's done since then, Brenton. Since 2018 and three seasons since then, he has hit


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[Assistant] At least 90% of his field goals, uh, over the past three years, he is the only kicker in the NFL who's done that in three straight years, uh, since 2019. The only one, even Tucker is only two or three for hitting 90%.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the other thing about Boswell is that he is absolutely clutch. We talked about how Robbie Gold has never missed in the playoffs. Chris Boswell has never missed in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] In NFL playoff history without a miss behind only Robbie Gold McPherson's third on that list with 14. Uh, and so Boswell is clutch and he's basically does, hasn't been missing field goals since that disastrous 2018 season.


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[Assistant] He doesn't even want to know. He's like, this is inappropriate. This is probably has urban dictionary. This probably means.


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[Assistant] Okay, that makes sense. It's like when you put a Hall of Fame, you vote a guy in Hall of Fame, he's already dead, he doesn't get to do the rounds and appreciate it. Right. Okay.


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[Assistant] And he left you hanging on a, uh, ooh, that was a rough spot, man. We didn't know what was going on with giving the flowers.


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[Assistant] No-brainer. Look, it is, the thing is, you always, you put Tucker at the top of the list. That's where you start. You don't have to even think about this. I mean, Justin Tucker is going to go in the Hall of Fame. That is how good he is. You can't usually say that about a kicker. There's only two true kickers in the Hall of Fame. Juan Centero and Morton Anderson.


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[Assistant] If Benetary I think will probably make it, that's three, Justin Tucker will be four, and that might be it, uh, for a while.


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[Assistant] Just when you think Tucker can't get any better, because look, last year, the year before, the last five years, there was just no argument about him being the best kicker in the NFL. He goes out and hits a 66 yard field goal against the Lions. I mean, how else can you cement your status as the best kicker than setting the record for the NFL record for longest kick in NFL history?


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[Assistant] Before Tucker's 66 yard field goal attempt, NFL kickers were 0 for 31 all time.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that broke Matt Prater's record of 64 yards, so he broke the record by 2 yards. Uh, oh, and did I mention he's also the most accurate kicker in NFL history? Uh, in, in the crazy thing about that,


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[Assistant] Is that he's the most accurate kicker, even though the Ravens regularly trot him out for absurd field goals. I mean, you know who else is trying 66 yard field goals? Not many other kickers. Tucker's attempted, uh, six field goals of 60 yards or more. Those are low percentage field goals, uh, and he's two for six in his career. And so you take, if he had never tried, uh,


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[Assistant] Well, you know what? Hold on. I will say that so ranking kickers for me is easy. I love doing it. Ranking punters is much more difficult.


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[Assistant] Because every team has a different goal with what they're trying to do with punts. Some special teams coaches want the finesse. They want their guys to angle everything out of bounds. They want to keep the ball away from returner. Some special teams coaches will just let their punter boom it and say try and kick it 60 yards and we're going to get


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[Assistant] Tackle the return for a two yard return and get a huge net average.


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[Assistant] We want to say kick it near the sideline, but not out of bounds. We want to catch the returner near the sideline so he's boxed in and we can get him right. So there's just so many different strategies. Every punter is being asked to do a different thing. And so it is hard to rank.


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[Assistant] Punters, I think, once you do the NFL, they're all pretty similar. You can tell the bad punters are, but it's harder to kind of pick apart the good punters.


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[Assistant] Look, Cameron Johnson plays for the Texans. If you, we all saw how bad the Texans were last season, and because they were so bad, Cameron Johnson got sent out there a lot. Uh, he pointed 88 times last season, and guess what? The Texans probably been worse if Cameron Johnson wasn't so good.


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[Assistant] He put 37 of those 88 puns inside the opponent's 20 yard line. That was the second most punts put inside the opponent's 20 of any punter in the NFL. Uh, he also forced 22 fair catches, which, you know, special teams coaches, the coverage team loves that because they don't do any work. They just.


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[Assistant] They see the hand wave and they're like, all right, yeah, you know, the play's over. We don't have to go kill ourselves trying to make a tackle or bang heads or, or do anything nuts. Uh, number nine, Johnny Hecker for the Panthers.


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[Assistant] You know, Johnny Hecker, he's kinda losing a little bit of leg strength. We've obviously been one of the best punters in the NFL over the past 10 years, really since his rookie year with the Rams in 2012. He's been such a...


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[Assistant] He is kind of a finesse punter now. He's, he's really smart. He understands the game. Uh, even though his leg wasn't as strong as it has been last season, he still had a net punting average of 42.6 yards last year, which ranked fourth in the NFL. That's, top five is amazing. Uh, and so,


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[Assistant] Hacker is just one of those brainy guys who I think will probably be in the top 10 as long as he is playing. And Brinton, as you said, he does love to throw the ball. He's the master of the fake punt. Uh, 8, Tommy Townsend with the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] We talked about Cameron Johnson, how he punts all the time because he played for the Texans. Tommy Townsend is the opposite. Literally only punted 37 times last year. I think there was a game where he didn't even punt less than barely two punts per game.


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[Assistant] He punted so few times that he didn't even meet the minimum requirement to be listed on the NFL's leaderboard, uh, on the punting statistics leaderboard. So if you go Google, uh, best net yards for 2021, you will not see Tommy Townsend, even though he had the second best net punting average.


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[Assistant] Because you had to punt 41 and a half times, he only punted 37 times.


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[Assistant] So his net funding average was 43.8 and he crushed it. That was second best behind only Brian Anger. Number, what are we on? Eight, seven? Did I skip someone? No.


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[Assistant] Is that, is that where we are? Okay, yea, Jake Bailey, he was higher on this list last year. He's number three, but he struggled a lot.


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[Assistant] In 2021. And one big reason he fell is because he had three of his punts blocked. And usually when you have one punt blocked, you go back, you watch the film, you say, uh,


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[Assistant] The line botched something or the snap came back high or there was something wrong. But when you have three punts blocked and no other punter in the NFL had more than one, that's usually on the punter. You're getting the ball off.


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[Assistant] Quickly enough, uh, you're juggling, there's just all, it's, it's almost always the punters fault when you have multiple puns blocked.


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[Assistant] And so that was a problem for Bailey. Most of his numbers went down, but you know what? He punts in bad weather. He punts for Belichick who just asked you to do crazy things. Uhm, and if, so if you're successful in that environment, you're a top 10 punter and that's why Bailey's on this list.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know what? You spoiled number three. Brits has got dyslexia right now. He combined number four with number three.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Tressway has a really, really strong leg. He has been crushing it for a while now. Uhm, in 2019, I know this isn't last year, but this kind of, I look at the last few seasons, he averaged 49.6 yards per punt, which is the 11th highest single season total in NFL history. Uhm,


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[Assistant] Still has a booming leg, average 48.3 yards last year. His net average wasn't there. His season wasn't as good, but he's been so good for the last few years that you kinda have to have him on this list. And plus, he has to punt all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe that will go down if Carson Wentz makes this offense better. But right now, Tressway is a busy punter and he does a good job of flipping the field.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that is why he's number six. Number five, you mentioned Brian Anger. The Cowboys almost let Brian Anger walk. What are they doing? He was the most consistent player on the team last year. He was first team All-Pro. What are you doing Dallas? Why'd you even think about letting him walk? But they eventually did not. They signed him to a contract extension.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this offseason for 3 years, I think $9 million. And so Anger actually led the NFL with a net average of 44.6 yards. The net average is the key punting statistic. That is, you punt at 50 yards, the returner returns at 6 yards, that makes your net punt 44 yards. So that is...


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[Assistant] The net is what it's all about. That's the number you want to look at. And then touchback percentage is also big. Uh, fair catch percentage is big. Cause if you get a lot of hang time for us, a lot of fair catches, that's a good thing.


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[Assistant] Um, and then inside the 20 percentage is also big. So this is really the four things you look at when you kind of trying to gauge how good a partner is. And you know what? Brian anger had one of the best games of the 2021 season against the giants and week 15, he pinned the giants inside their own 10 yard line four times, Brenton.


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[Assistant] I'm going to Jack Fox real quick, but real, Giants were so bad last year, you put them inside the 10, there's no way they're scoring. Jack Fox!


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly! That is, I think that was that game. Uhm, uh, Jackbox actually


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[Assistant] Yeah, he played for the Chiefs, got cut, the Lions signed him, uhm, after Sam Martin left in free agency, Sam Martin was other receiving votes on our list. Yeah, Jack Fox has just been huge. Uh, 2020, he set the franchise record for yards per punt, net yards per punt.


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[Assistant] Uh, he has just been crushing it. Last year he ranked 6th overall in net yards per punt.


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[Assistant] And second overall and yards per point and he is just like,


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[Assistant] He is the guy you want if you're the Lions. He does a great job punting indoors. One of his biggest punts came on Thanksgiving last year.


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[Assistant] Had a 70 yarder out of his own end zone that flipped the field, uh, and kind of kept the Lions in that game. He is also one of the best punters in the NFL when it comes to punting from his inside his own 35 yard line, which is a huge deal because you want to be able to flip the field.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and I said Anger was first team all-pro. I think he was second team. AJ Cole was first team all-pro last season. Uhm, you know what? Your boy averaged 50 yards per punt last season, Brinton. That is the eighth highest single season total in NFL history. Uhm, and you know what else he did?


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[Assistant] He also dropped 43% of his punts inside the 20 yard line. That was the sixth best percentage last year. And so when you're consistent like that, it is amazing how good the Raiders special teams is right now between Daniel Carlson and AJ Cole. Uh, the only downside for the Raiders is that


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[Assistant] I don't know that you can pin that all on AJ Cole because the coverage team needs to learn how to make tackles, but Cole has slowly developed into one of the better punters in the NFL. Logan Cook, man, can you imagine being Jacksonville's punter?


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[Assistant] As soon as your team's on offense, you're putting your helmet on because you know you're going to be punting in like 30 seconds. They're going to go three and out. You're going to be out there punting. Uh, and if you don't do a good job, don't take your helmet off. Yeah, exactly. And if you don't do a good job, your team's going to lose every game, 49 to nothing.


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[Assistant] Fortunately for Jacksonville, Logan Cook has been one of the best punters in the NFL. Uh, 43.6 average for net yards. That was second best in the league.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he just, just, he doesn't kick touchbacks, which is huge because, you know, you want to put your opponent inside the 20, not on the 20, uhm, and he has just been an absolute weapon for Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] The Seahawks official Twitter account gave me a shout out for ranking Michael Dixon number one. Hey look, you know what? Nobody's been better than Dixon over the past few years. Last year, slightly, slightly down year, but he still absolutely feels like the best part of the NFL.


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[Assistant] Uh, over the past four years, he has placed more kicks inside the 10 yard line than any other player in the league. And that's what you want. Cause, cause that's what Pete Carroll loves. That's why Pete Carroll's punning.


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[Assistant] This head game, Brinson, what's your favorite thing to say about gaming theory?


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[Assistant] Uhm, Dixon placed 48.2% of his putts inside the 20 last year. That's nearly half. That's insane. And that was the second highest percentage in the league. And so when you get things like that, that put your defense, that gives them a huge advantage because they are going out in the field with the opposing offense inside their own 20.


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[Assistant] Uh, Michael Dixon has absolutely been crushing it. I won't be surprised if he plays another 10 years. And let's not forget, remember he did that crazy double punt?


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[Assistant] Was that last year, that was two years ago, where he punted it, got blocked, and he picked it up.


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[Assistant] And heads up plays like that. I mean, to see a partner make a heady play is awesome. And that is a big reason along with everything else why Michael Dixon is numero uno on the list. There you go Brinson. We did it in.


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[Assistant] Yes, go find it. Google it. I don't think anything else is ranking kickers or farmers. So if you just put ranking NFL kickers or ranking NFL punters into Google, I think mine will probably be the top.


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[Assistant] We are gonna be riffing off of uh, Jordan Dejani's list a little bit. He, I altered them a little bit, like some of them are the same, it's kinda one of those like, jumping off point, and some are the same, some aren't.


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[Assistant] We're just doing one within the division, kind of like the difference maker for that respective team. It could be the best team in the division, kind of, kind of leans that way, and you know, how they can be the difference maker in the conference.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you know, Super Bowl favorite, they are gonna be in the conversation throughout the year. And you can kinda, if you wanted to just, you know, go down the list and say, okay, Josh Allen's the MVP favorite, he'll be a difference maker, he was on.


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[Assistant] Jordan's list makes a ton of sense. You know, he's, he is the person that can lift the offense to a Super Bowl, lift the team to a Super Bowl. But for me, it's Vaughn Miller, the new addition for them on that defensive side. Kind of surprised everybody when they signed him.


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[Assistant] It just, you know, the number alone was kind of crazy over a hundred million dollars to bring him aboard. But I, I see that as a huge piece and I've talked about it with you a couple of times.


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[Assistant] Where it's gonna help on the field, but it's also gonna help off the field create the winning culture when you're in those moments in the playoffs where the Bills hope to be and there's 13 seconds left and you need to get a stop.


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[Assistant] That addition, you know, on the field, but more importantly, how he creates the atmosphere around it in the locker room and just gives that unit the overall, you know, swagger to come up in those clutch moments to me, I think is just as valuable.


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[Assistant] Well, that's the thing too. Like you mentioned, it's a young group now. They've kind of, you know, are going into this new phase. I know it's weird when you say that when they bring in a veteran like Vaughn Miller, but they are kind of getting younger at that position, getting rid of Jerry Hughes and Mario Addison as offseason.


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[Assistant] You bring in Vaughn Miller, you're kind of having these young guys come up on the other side of the defensive line.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, for sure. And I had a story, uh, posted yesterday. It's like the biggest questions going into training camp for these teams. And those were two of them for the Jets and the Dolphins respectively.


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[Assistant] Can you, can you just win you some games? And at that point, maybe you're not as eager to, you know, kind of question, not necessarily blowing it up, but really changing things up at that position, giving up on that first round asset next offseason. I mean, this is a very pivotal year for him.


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[Assistant] So certainly that's a big thing. And then with Zach Wilson too, again, you know, I think I wrote something to the effect of like, well, he's making headlines. It's just not the ones you really want at this point in the year.


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[Assistant] And so hopefully you want him to kinda, you know, show it on the field because, you know, you're in New York, you're in that pressure cooker. If all of a sudden you're making headlines for the wrong reasons and you're not backing up your play.


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[Assistant] You're gonna have a lot of questions about are you actually the guy to help elevate the franchise.


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[Assistant] That's just how this works. It's just the game and how it's played. I mean, like, look at, you know, a guy like Rob Gronkowski doesn't have something like this, but


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[Assistant] You know, obviously Joe Burrow just took his team to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] We don't necessarily know what's going to happen with the Sean Watson. It kind of feels like the tea leaves are showing less than a year suspension. I think the Washington Post was pointing out that, you know, it kind of feels like eight games. Again, nothing official there. We don't know what, what Sue Robinson is going to kind of come down with in terms of her punishment.


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[Assistant] But, if you're telling me you're gonna get Deshaun Watts for half those games, and you know, we don't know what's gonna happen in Pittsburgh with Kenny Pickett or Mitch Drabitsky, Lamar Jackson could very well easily, if he plays to his ceiling,


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[Assistant] Win this division, all things being equal. He is, he is the most talented quarterback in this division, or at least for my money, I would take, you know, you know, you're going to have him for a full year, former MVP.


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[Assistant] The most decorated that we've seen so far and he's clearly in a contract here. So how does that impact all of this? How does that impact the Baltimore Ravens who were just so snake bitten last year with injuries? They come back healthy, especially on the defensive side in that secondary. If they have somewhat of a, you know, if they have a stout defense,


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[Assistant] And you have Lamar Jackson on that side. If he's able to overcome, not really having those number one receivers, obviously as Mark Andrews, but lost Marquis, Marquis Brown.


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[Assistant] If he plays to the level we saw a few years ago in 2019,


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[Assistant] That's gonna make the Ravens a legit threat in the conference.


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[Assistant] What's the most important player to that team? That's kinda how you have to look at it.


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[Assistant] If you're telling me Mitchell Trubisky is Ryan Tannehill 2.0, comes to the next spot in Pittsburgh and kind of just figures it out.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll tell you this too, Will. It's not, we talk all about like, oh, you're replacing, you know, Hall of Famer and Ben Roethlisberger. Replacing a fat corpse. They were, yea, and they were 971 last year.


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[Assistant] They were 971 with the, with the fat corpse that was Ben Roethlisberger who had an 86.8 passer rating. You're telling me, like, it's not like it's, you know, Aaron Rodgers walked away and now Jordan Love has to replace this two back to back MVP.


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[Assistant] The floor is kinda low and that team was pretty good with just a, you know, a slightly below average or, you know, whatever you want to call Ben Roethlisberger last year. Quarterback, he was certainly capped. If you get some life out of either Mitch Drabitsky or Kenny Pickett, your ceiling is a little bit raised with that defense.


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[Assistant] The glass was already shattered, you already kinda like made your decision on it. Yeaah. And that's, you know, that's kinda where you were on it. But yeaah, I remember that too.


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[Assistant] That's hysterical to say, like, your Red Rocks experience is that?


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[Assistant] Nah, nah, not really. There's a couple concerts near, there's a college near where I went to high school. All those spring, you know, concerts and all that stuff, we'd always sneak in there. And again, you're like, I'm surprised they let us in here.


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[Assistant] They were kind of patient to kind of see how that whole thing would kind of pan out. But the other thing is the commanders were impatient on this quarterback race. They were like the first team to make a move. It was for Carson Wentz. I mean, there's a world where they were patient.


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[Assistant] That was only because their quarterback kind of fell on his face in Jacksonville. And if Matt Ryan, I don't think is going to do that. I don't think he's going to make those same mistakes as Carson went. So if you put him into an offense.


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[Assistant] That now raises the floor of that, of this team. And you have an offense with a backfield like Jonathan Taylor, Michael Pittman, who knows, maybe, you know, we've talked about Julio Jones maybe joining them because it just makes sense. He's still a free agent.


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[Assistant] There's a lot to like there. Easier schedule than most. I believe it's in the top five in easiest schedules in terms of the, the over under win percentage, uh, this season. I think that was dark football.


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[Assistant] I mean, when you have two games, you know, four games against Jacksonville and Houston, that's going to obviously help you too.


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[Assistant] Statue, Pocket Passer, kinda guy, it's, you know, just draw on your head.


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[Assistant] I just think that everything that you can say about Tennessee, the number one seed, you know, at times the favorite to win that division, you can also say about Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] Like if he had the choice, he would go Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I love that pic. I was down in, I was on radio in Jacksonville and they were basically asking me the same thing and I was saying, you know, just if you get a baseline average run of the mill head coach in Doug Peterson, he gives you no more, no less, just whatever the average is in the NFL.


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[Assistant] It's infinitely better than what you got last year with Urban Meyer. When you have the quarterback answering off the field questions about his head coach, it completely distracts from already the pressure he had of being a John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck type prospect coming into the NFL. It's going to come save a franchise.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's probably true too, but you know, there's like three offensive coordinators, not including the first year offensive coordinator that they have. I mean, there's a lot to like about the new change in head coach and the coaching staff that's going to help the development of Lawrence.


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[Assistant] Yep, yep, it just, when you have a division that loaded up the way that the AFC West loaded up, and then you look at the Kansas City Chiefs who saw more talent leave the organization,


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[Assistant] The continuity that's already there has to help. And especially when you factor in the loss of Tyree Kill for Patrick Mahomes and what they've replaced him with. You know, Juju Smith Schuster, who's kinda, you know, we don't know what he's going to be. Marcus Valdez Scanling, Mikko Hardman coming back, Sky Moore that they drafted.


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[Assistant] It's just not a lot there to say, okay, defenses are really going to game plan the same way they were game planning for Tyree Kill and how is that going to impact the offense? I think a lot of weight goes on Travis Kelsey now because he's


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[Assistant] The guy that every team is going to kind of game plan for. It's not like they have to worry about Tyree Kill going over the top and just completely wrecking the game on one massive bomb by Patrick Mahomes. So for me again, it just...


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[Assistant] That to me, he needs to carry a lot on his shoulders this year to really help that offense maintain what they've been over the last few years when now they have to face, you know, Justin Herbert going into year three, Russell Wilson, the Raiders now with Devonte Adams. There's a lot to keep up with offensively for the, for the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you know, you're saying it too, like it's not only him transitioning to a new team, but he's also working with the first time head coach in Nathaniel Hackett. So like there is a lot of change there, but if those two things hit.


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[Assistant] You're having a serious conversation of this being a really dangerous offense with what they have in the backfield in Javante Williams and Melvin Gordon coming back. Jerry, Judy, Quillen, Sutton, Tim Patrick.


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[Assistant] There's a lot to love there for Russell Wilson to have at his disposal. And then defensively too, I mean, you know, they still have Justin Simmonds. I mean, they have guys that can make plays on that to stop the opposing, uh, to, you know, any really one in that division.


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[Assistant] It's, it's that, but it's also again, how much are the other editions going to kind of impact this? How much is J.C. Jackson going to change that? How much is Khalil Mack? How much is Demonte Adams? And how much is the loss of Travis, uh, uh, Tyree Kill going to kind of change things a little bit too?


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[Assistant] The one, let's just say all of these things hit as high as they possibly can. Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] I think the one, I think the one that we should mention in terms of that division, like you were mentioning, is probably Derek Carr too. He's in a division with all of these elite quarterbacks. He's the, you know, the bottom of the barrel. And I'm saying that, you know, he's still a quality quarterback. If he plays anywhere above, above average, you're talking about the Raiders in a different light.


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[Assistant] I shouldn't have turned the camera on, I mean that's just an unbelievable blooper.


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[Assistant] I was going to say, cause this is going to make or break their off season. I mean, you know, they're just trying to enjoy the last couple of weeks before camp. Last thing they need is to see Tyler Sullivan go on a podcast and say they're not in the top 10.


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[Assistant] It's bizarre, but it happens. I mean, you know, obviously very different circumstances, but that happened up here in New England with Brady. I mean, it was obviously, you know, greatest and all that, but it did go to another level when he was going with that Deflategate stuff where it was like, no, no, no, our guy, we're going to, going to the wall, going to the mat.


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[Assistant] But I, I, trust me, with all that, I know you're, you're paying. Going through ideal gas law and legal briefs and all that. It's, it's really fun.


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[Assistant] I mean, he still gets mentioned from Brady and even all the rest of those guys. I mean, they still have that.


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[Assistant] I mean, how big is this tattoo gonna get? I mean, are we, are we talking like Ben Affleck dragon up the back? Like, is that how we're doing?


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[Assistant] That was the, you know, I think it was like 275. And it was a good size. I mean, it's like, you know.


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[Assistant] Color, you know, it's, it's, it's, there's, you know, there was a lot to do with it. It was like, it took like three hours.


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[Assistant] So anyway, my last name is Sullivan and it was just, it was all over from there.


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[Assistant] No, I think he's done. I really do. I think he's done. He, it's...


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[Assistant] It'd be weird, I know it's weird because his agent immediately said Drew Rosenhouse after he, after he announced his retirement, he's like, well, Tom Brady calls, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I, if I see it again, if they're offering them a boatload of money and like, let's just say like Mike Evans goes down in December and they're the number one seed in the NFC. Like, okay, maybe there's.


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[Assistant] Circumstantial, you know, and all that, but like, I don't think it's, I, I think, I believe Gronk this time around when he says he's not going back and he's done.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, that's part of it. You're second team all-pro, 18 and a half sacks, most in a single season in Bears history. I mean, it's...


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[Assistant] It's tough when somebody like that produces a season like he just did to say, alright, well actually, here's all the reasons why he shouldn't be a top 10 guy. I mean, like you said, there's a good possibility that he falls off if he remains in Chicago. Those stack numbers I think are gonna fall


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[Assistant] Pretty significantly, because if you just think about game flow of what Chicago might be next year.


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[Assistant] They're probably gonna be trailing a lot, which means the opposing offense is just gonna run the football.


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[Assistant] Which, again, reduces the number of sack opportunities that Quinn will probably see next year. But in terms of guys that just missed out, I mean, you know, there's a handful of them. Shaq Barrett, Chase Young, Chandler Jones, Harold Landry, Brian Burns. And the biggest one for me, and I didn't listen to the podcast, I think it was, uhm, I think you might have had Patrick Walker on for linebackers. But, you know.


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[Assistant] No, and that's certainly part of it. But again, he's someone who you immediately think of and say, okay, well, you know.


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[Assistant] If you were to put him in twice in a list, this is kind of that situation where you would, you know, consider him, you know, that back end, maybe even higher, who knows. But yeah, those are the guys that just missed. But again, Quinn, 18 and a half sacks, that's tough to ignore. I mean, you just can't.


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[Assistant] Uh, this is, uh, my list, but a lot of inspiration from Jeff's. I looked at his and just kind of, you know.


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[Assistant] Especially when we talk about the guy who's at the top of this list, who's, you know, the number one sack, uh, sack guy in the NFL, like, you know.


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[Assistant] You can't credit one guy for doing one thing one season and then discredit a guy for doing something extremely similar.


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[Assistant] Errol Landry was one for me too, just because I loved the leap that he took last year.


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[Assistant] But it's in aisle two next to the milk and all that stuff. That's where you get the real nitty gritty stuff.


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[Assistant] Signs a big money deal with Cincinnati and you're like, okay, you know, I always am a little weary about the guys who blow up in a contract year and how that's going to look after they get paid.


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[Assistant] Follows it up with another, you know, tremendous season, you know, fourth in the NFL in pressures, 16.6% in pressure rate, which was the highest in the NFL last year. So this guy was able to get after the quarterback quite a bit. And like you said, a huge piece to why they were in the Superbowl.


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[Assistant] And it could happen. I mean, you know, there's a couple of guys that we're going to talk about, you know, especially later on in this list who I think have some real defensive player of the year sleeper kind of talk a little bit. And you can make the case that if both, uh,


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[Assistant] If the addition of Khalil Mack opens things up for him.


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[Assistant] To really have one lane to the quarterback and not have all the attention drawn to him.


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[Assistant] Then you could see him put up some impressive numbers. I mean, he did have 10 and a half sacks last year and he was only one of three edge rushers to have at least 10 sacks.


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[Assistant] So I mean, he is putting himself in elite categories. It might not be to the, like you said, the ceiling that we've seen so far, but he's still one of those impact guys for sure.


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[Assistant] And he's just weirdly underrated. Like I just, I don't feel like, I just don't feel like we talk about him like we talk about even Joey Bosa or Trey Hendrickson even. Like, you know, guys that are just above him on this list. Shaq Barrett even, who's not even on the top 10 list this year.


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[Assistant] He is just time and time again, as steady as it comes. 12 and a half sacks last year, he was tied for first in run stops, all around type of player that you want at the position. So for me, yeah, but it doesn't feel like we talk.


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[Assistant] In the same breath as like a Khalil Mack or a Vaughn Miller or you know, those guys that have been around for a while.


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[Assistant] I see, this was probably the toughest one. I would have probably had him lower, I think. I think that this was the biggest discrepancy between my list and what Kerr has on the site right now. I don't believe Mack is on his top 10 list.


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[Assistant] Right, right. I mean, there's certainly some freezing cold take, uh, you know, threats there.


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[Assistant] But uhm, you know, again, limited seven games last year, so if you're talking about, you know, durability and all that, then, you know, I can...


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[Assistant] I can see where you're coming from. In the sample size that we did see though, he was basically a sack of game guy at six sacks last year in seven games. Obviously he was dealing with a season ending injury. I'm looking more at the upside of him going from the Bears to the Chargers.


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[Assistant] They're gonna, you know, that offense is high flying. They're gonna be up in a lot of these games, which is gonna set up more opportunities for him to rack up some exact totals for him. Especially like I was just saying, it could just as mean this way with Joey Boser as well. Joey Boser, we get the time.


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[Assistant] But what I'm saying is, you know, the amount of attention that each guy will get is gonna make life easier for the other.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, I was looking, I was doing some stats. PFF had him as the number one ranked edge rusher against the runner over the last two seasons.


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[Assistant] Well, there's gonna be a lot of covered sacks too, I think. Where you have an unbelievable secondary with Jordan Poirier, Micah Hyde, Jerdavious Wright, um, uh, uh, Kair Elam, the first round rookie corner that they drafted.


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[Assistant] You're gonna hold, you are gonna see the quarterbacks hold the football a lot. When you have a guy like Vaughn Miller, he's already gonna get some.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was coming back to off the up. What was it? The ACL, right? It was an ACL. It wasn't an Achilles, right? It was an ACL.


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[Assistant] But you know, either way, that's a huge addition to this, and I think Vaughan Miller's just gonna put up numbers. But I think that they, and I think I said this on HQ a few, uh, uh, probably like a few weeks ago now, but I think that they bring him, I think they bring him in,


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[Assistant] Also, you know, obviously for what he can do on the field, but he is a legit winner and he's been there like, you know, Super Bowl MVP, two times Super Bowl champion.


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[Assistant] He is somebody for a franchise that has never won a Super Bowl, who has always gets so close, but there's 13 seconds where Patrick Mahomes flies down the field and they can't get a stop. That's a guy that can make that play.


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[Assistant] And I'll tell you this while you're looking, whatever you're looking up. When he's drawing, whatever you're trying to do.


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[Assistant] Miller led the NFL in tackles for a loss once he joined the Rams. So week 10 on, he was just a monster for them. So again, it's not like, you know, it's just leadership. He is legitimately mowing people down.


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[Assistant] And I mean, Buffalo blew most of these teams out of the water in terms of that offer. I mean, I wrote a story a couple of weeks ago where Miller was talking about, I would have taken less to go to Dallas, but Buffalo, they weren't coming close to Buffalo's offer.


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[Assistant] Just, this is, this is my guy. I'm, I'm planting my flag.


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[Assistant] 50 to 1 defensive player of the year. That's a bet. You have to bet this.


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[Assistant] Why wouldn't you bet that? He had a hundred pressures last year. It's only the third time that's happened since 2006. And we're talking about a guy that now has Chandler Jones on the other side. It's the same thing we're talking about with Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa. If they just let him tee off, we're talking about a huge sack season and he'll be in that conversation. You will be very happy that you went 50 to one on him.


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[Assistant] The 49ers are comfortable with giving up a ton of picks and bringing on a rookie quarterback in Trey Lance because they feel like they have a defense that can keep these games close. It's not like this kid's gonna be, you know, trying to chuck his way to victory every week. They feel like they have a defense that can smother quarterbacks because of Bosa.