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[Assistant] Let's go, I think, uh, one and one on the revenge parlays. Let's go make it two and one as we head into the stretch run of the season and a full list of our best bets. Pete, Titans plus five, Raiders plus one and a half.


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[Assistant] Bingo's Raven's teaser Jaguars Lions over commander's minus two Falcons plus one. RJ has the jets plus three, the Falcons plus one, the Titans plus five Dallas minus 11 Tampa Bay minus three and a half and a teaser of Baltimore and Cincinnati. My best bets.


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[Assistant] I didn't start until later in the show with these freaking best bets. Uh, Jaguars Lions over 51 and a half, over 53 in Chiefs and Bengals. I like that Bengals Ravens teaser too. I'll probably bet that, um, but I didn't take it on here. Raiders plus one and a half bucks minus three and a half, Dolphins minus four, Seahawks minus seven and a half.


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[Assistant] Okay, good luck. Yeah, that's uh, especially the Chiefs role. If the Chiefs go into potential win, or even if they lose, you can see them come up trying to bounce back at Denver. Uh, love it. Alright, that's it for the show. It's the best bets. Let's have another, let's have a, uh,


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[Assistant] I would, I would, I would, I would venture a guess that we had not. Uh, for RJ, for Pete, I'm Brenton. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. See you guys later.


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[Assistant] It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. That's where I put my Christmas tree up, Wilson. Cause Santa just delivered his first present of the season. Uh, and it was a checkers board. So, oh, maybe I'll play you sometime.


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[Assistant] Can't wait. And my 10 second take is only three seconds. USA wins tomorrow two to one.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the question I have for not me but Brandon Staley is, look, your defense clearly cannot stop.


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[Assistant] Five minutes left in the third quarter, literally fourth in inches. The Chargers were at their own 30, 40 yard line. It was one of those situations. It's just, it's just inches and you cannot give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] Because what the Chargers ended up doing, they ended up punting, what happened? Mahomes drove down and got a touchdown anyway. So 86 yards, 34 yards, it doesn't matter when you give him the ball, he's gonna score. So the best way to beat him is to not give him the ball. And when you have an opportunity to gain 3 inches and get a first down, you have to take it and you know,


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[Assistant] Ryan, we've talked about that multiple times this season, is who kidnapped?


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[Assistant] Brandon Staley, the guy who goes forward on fourth down because that guy is not around this season. Last year's Brandon Staley, he goes forward in that situation. I really thought that ended up being the difference in the game because we all knew the Chargers weren't going to stop Mahomes.


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[Assistant] I don't think anyone on earth would have bet against Patrick Mahomes when he got the ball back, even though he needed a touchdown. It wasn't leaving like he needed a field goal. Had to get a touchdown. And I'm sure we were all watching thinking this is easy, but nope. Uh, I thought that was the beginning of the Chargers downfall was that decision.


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[Assistant] I, you know what, I know who it is because I covered him when he was in high school in Atlanta.


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[Assistant] If it's forth an actual whole yard or two yards, maybe, but not, not when I just need inches.


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[Assistant] If the Chargers miss the playoffs, I think the Spanos family has to at least think about it. And you know what? Some other head coach who gets hired during the off season can go say, uh, I'm going to hire Nathaniel Hackett and Brandon Stanley to be my coordinators because they're really good at that. And then I'm going to look like a genius because I just hired these two, uh, two of the best coordinators available.


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[Assistant] Uh, to Ryan's point really quick, the Chiefs have the easiest remaining strength of schedule of any team in the NFL. They only play two teams over 500 over their final five games and that's the Bengals and Seahawks.


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[Assistant] Brendan, you should be taking a victory lap right now because you over the past few weeks just said the Chiefs, you made it clear the Chiefs were the only team you trusted and that this team is likely the one that gets the one seed and the one, if you have to pick one team to go to the Superbowl, it's the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] When they were playing the Falcons, the Bears offense looked like it's looked over the past few weeks, but only in the first half.


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[Assistant] And the second half, it's like the Arthur Smith went in there like, guys, we practice against our own offense and practice every day. This is all we do is run the ball with the quarterback and do, this should be very simple for you.


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[Assistant] The defense goes out there and kind of shuts down Justin Fields, you know, cause he didn't get injured till that final drive. So he was still healthy. He said he was battling, uh, hamstring cramps.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, this is definitely an issue for the Bears short term in the sense that, hey look, your quarterback looks awesome, but you're still not winning games.


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[Assistant] So that's kind of an indictment on the front office and, uh, you know, this is a treat team. They trade away, uh,


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[Assistant] Any of these last four games, you're on a four game losing sh- since you re- yes, I- yeah, I agree. You lose to the Dolphins by three, you lost to the Lions by one, you lose to the Falcons by three.


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[Assistant] You might win all three of those games, so they sold on the short term for a long term future, uh, which is fine, but when you look at those moves now, it's like, ehh, well if you would have


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[Assistant] You know, maybe implemented this stuff with fields during the offseason like normal teams do instead of week seven, uh, instead of your Thursday to Monday break between that commanders and Patriots game, then maybe this is a different team. So it's just weird how this has all happened and you can feel for Justin Fields because they just don't have a lot around them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, obviously we started with the chargers, talk about how they charge her up stuff and like the bills are the miniature version of that where they don't do it at the end of the game. It's just small little dumb things they do throughout the game. The end, you go back, you point at it. They're like, well, God, if those three or four plays that have gone the other way, maybe the Browns win this. And I really thought that happened.


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[Assistant] In the second quarter, you mentioned the Browns were up 10-3. They were driving up and down the field on Buffalo's defense through the first quarter and a half. They were driving to take maybe a 13-3 lead, maybe a 17-3, depending if they got a field goal or a touchdown. They got into Buffalo territory and then Jacoby Percent bubbled it!


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[Assistant] It was just all over after that. That was just like it deflated the entire team. Uh, the, the offense was running up and down the field and then they just went ice cold and, uh, Buffalo recovered it and they were like, all right, okay, this isn't funny anymore. We're not going to let the Browns beat us.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then they put their foot on the gas and just never looked back. So it was just interesting to see how dominant the Browns were for a quarter and a half. And then that just disappeared. Gone.


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[Assistant] Well, right, so there's, there's, you have to weigh the factors. You say, well, he hasn't played in two years, so if we're throwing him in a situation where there's no pressure, then...


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[Assistant] He gets warmed, reacclimated to the game, starts playing well. That's what you want. But if you were to get injured in those final few weeks where he's on the field, uh, then you just look absolutely silly. So definitely, uh, you know, you're throwing him out there for garbage time.


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[Assistant] As far as the season goes, if you're hopelessly out of it, but I think you have to put them on the field because you gave up everything to get them.


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[Assistant] I understand the argument. I agree with you, Wilson, that you absolutely have to play them, but I understand the other side of the argument.


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[Assistant] And it should be, but you know, it's not like he's the reason they're winning, but he's not making them lose. Whereas Carson Wood just makes those back-breaking turnovers and it's just like, oh my God, what are they doing? Heineken just plays smart football. That means, doesn't mean it's necessarily good football.


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[Assistant] Davis mills threw a pick six on like the third play from scrimmage for Houston and it was Ryan has his notebook. I wrote down my notebook game over, even though there was only two minutes into the first quarter because there was no way Houston was going to do anything against the commanders. And so, you know, you look at this team and it does feel like Prince, I think you're right.


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe they're gonna get that, if the NFC East gets three playoff spots, if the commanders get that third spot, not the Giants, cause it's not just that they've won, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, two in a row, five of their past six, but the games they've lost, they lost to the Titans. They were leading that game in the second half lost by four. They lost to the Vikings. They were up by 10 with like 10 minutes left and somehow managed to blow that lead. So.


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[Assistant] They've been hanging with the good teams. It's not like they've just been beating up on bad teams because we've seen them beat the Bears and the Colts and the Texans and obviously a good team and the Eagles.


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[Assistant] Uh, so yeaah, I feel like this team is absolutely for real, it's just gonna depend on how well Heineken plays. But I wanna see him get more Jordans, so I'm gonna keep cheering for them. Or what? Oh, Jordans, yeaah.


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[Assistant] I would like to point out that the Houston Texans had five yards of total offense in the first half.


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[Assistant] You know, one thing about the commanders real quick is they get Chase Young back soon in the next week or two. They thought he was going to come back this week and decide to hold it off, but like they're doing all this and their defense is only going to get better.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I know that Nick Sirianni yelled at the crowd and, uh, no, that's it. Which was interesting.


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[Assistant] Or do you wear it like a toddler where you can still see below you? So that you can read the text.


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[Assistant] It, it literally is like Jeff Zarian, I think I said this last week, he just said, look,


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[Assistant] Jonathan Taylor's a bread and butter. We're gonna run the ball with Jonathan Taylor. We're gonna simplify things on defense.


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[Assistant] We don't need to be crazy. We don't have any, uh, superstars. Matt Ryan's not 2016 MVP. Matt Ryan, who's going to go out there and throw 40 passes and win us games. We're just going to run the ball, play smart defense and not turn the ball over. Uh, and hopefully that'll be good enough. And so far it's been almost good enough. One in one and almost knocked off the best team in the NFL.


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[Assistant] They almost beat the Eagles. Look, they're playing sound football. That's all you can want if you're the Colts right now. It was such, uh,


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[Assistant] Bench the starting quarterback that led to Frank Wright getting fired and so now here you are playing competitive football and you know.


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[Assistant] You know the Jonathan Taylor play was interesting because I feel like that's been a thing really this year where they've let in the scrum.


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[Assistant] Just kind of be pushed forward or backward and they're not blowing the whistle when I think they used to.


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[Assistant] In the past, usually as soon as the players stop for say a split second whistle blow play dead.


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[Assistant] That's it. And now they're just letting these, it's like the refs swallow their whistle. Just, you know, we'll just go until someone passes out or is knocked unconscious. We're not even going to worry about this. Uh, cause like I was surprised that Jonathan Taylor fumble. There are like five different instances on that play where I thought they were going to blow the whistle.


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[Assistant] This season was like, uh, TJ Watt will be back by November and I would just be like, I will bet everything I own that he'll be back by the time they play the Bengals, uh, because he, that's the guy that is on the field. He destroys the Bengals all the time. He is a game wrecker when it comes to playing the Bengals and going in this game.


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[Assistant] There was no reason a defensive lineman should be able to make the play that he made. And that point in the game was the Bengals were up 24 to 20 in the third quarter. Watt intercepts it.


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[Assistant] And then the Steelers take over on the 21 yard line and it felt like a classic bangles Steelers game where the bangles are playing well enough to win and then the wheels fall off the wagon. Something dumb happens. The Steelers score touchdown game over.


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[Assistant] But the defense kept that from happening and it is just crazy. Uh, you know, cause everyone, including us.


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[Assistant] Roasted the Bengals after that loss to the Browns after Jamar Chase went out and said, God, this team's four and four. They can't do anything without Jamar Chase. Even though.


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[Assistant] They only had four days to figure something out when they found out he was going to go out. And it was like, this team is not going to do anything. And I think, Princeton, there is something to be said for it is they go to the first half of the season and everybody writes them off. Uhm, and then everything just kind of clicks and you know, the Steelers.


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[Assistant] Tried everything here. I mean, it felt like they thought they could cover the bangles receivers, and man, they tried that a couple times, uh, and, and just...


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[Assistant] With Jamar Chase not on the field, it was, hey, our athletes are better than these guys. And then T Higgins just went out there and balled out. I mean, this was a great win just to get that Steelers monkey off their back, pick up that division win, pick up that conference win because their conference record is horrible as far as, uh, potential playoff tiebreakers go. But man, suck it, Wilson.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I saw some people in the comment section talking about Zach Taylor because every week I always say


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[Assistant] I think he's a horrible coach. I think he's a great coach. He does everything on both sides of the fence. He didn't do anything today that made me pull out my hair, which is good because it will all be gone if that keeps happening. Uh, and I will look like Wilson by the end of the season. It's going to happen, but this I would say, I would say this was the,


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[Assistant] I think especially big because they have the third most difficult remaining schedule of their seven remaining opponents. Six of them have a winning record.


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[Assistant] So there's six teams ahead of them right now because they're the seventh seed. The Bengals play five of those six teams that are ahead of them over the final seven weeks of the season.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about all the touchdowns in the game. Okay, conversations ever.


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[Assistant] Well, I know they only scored, they only got two yards the entire half, so I will say they did not even cross their own 40 yard line.


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[Assistant] After the game, you know, you just gotta learn to take responsibility. It's that easy.


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[Assistant] Tom Brady, the, the successful quarter max, the buck stops here. It's one of those things where yes, it was my fault or I could have played better. You don't have to say it was your fault. Just say I could have played better. We could have done more.


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[Assistant] You don't throw your receivers under the bus. But you know, the other part of this is despite how badly he played and because we just talked about, uh, you know, Zach Taylor and sometimes how he makes crazy coaching decisions.


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[Assistant] You kick it out of bounds, the Patriots have time for one play, maybe get in field goal range. Oh what? You're going to let a kicker who's already missed two field goals try a field goal? Great. We're not scared. We're just going to get ready for overtime.


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[Assistant] Because Zach Wills is not taking the Jets to the playoffs, Brenton.


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[Assistant] I would at least find out. Mike White beat the Bengals last year.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, you're, you're a successful team and if you're Robert Sola, you have to sit down and you say, all right, we are six and four. We have a legitimate shot at the playoffs based on where we stand. Is Zach Wilson good enough to get us there? And if he's not, does Mike White give us a better shot? And the answer to that question is yes. You got to think about playing it because Zach Wilson does not look like the guy.


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[Assistant] I got a fun fact that I was going to bring up and someone in the comment section actually asked about it. So it's even more fitting. Uh, they wanted to know when was the last time the lions had a three game winning


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[Assistant] So it has been five years since the Lions have won three straight games and look.


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[Assistant] It is crazy that the Lions, they, they look better every week. They went from, uh, you know, finding ways to lose games that we saw earlier in the season. And now they're winning these close games that they did the last two weeks. And then they dominate a game like they did against the Giants.


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[Assistant] Well, I feel like this is the game where Brian Abel said, yeah, maybe it might be not for the best that we keep them. Cause look, I think the one thing you found out about the giants was what's going to happen if Saquon Barkley gets shut down. If we can't run the ball and we have to depend on Daniel Jones to win.


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[Assistant] Uh, and Danny Dimes looks like Danny Dimes from last year when he's fumbling and throwing interception.


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[Assistant] Danny pennies, he threw two interceptions, uh, you know, neither of which were good. And those were costly. And he hadn't thrown interceptions since week three, but the Giants, you're trailing, you need your quarterback, and... Let me, let me, let me ask you this.


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[Assistant] I don't think they would turn, I think they'd stick with Al Jones. No, I think he's been good enough this season and you're not going to make a decision based on one game. If he goes out there and throws, uh, three interceptions against the Cowboys next Thursday on Thanksgiving with the 30 million people watching, then maybe.


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[Assistant] Well, the, the, the crazy thing is by the time the third quarter rolled around and the Cowboys were already up like, uh, 30 to three or whatever it was. The only thing I could, couldn't get out of my head was how was Tony Pollard not on the field all the time for this team? What has been going on for the last couple of years? Who's in charge and down?


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[Assistant] Uh, just their defense was probably as good as their offense.


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[Assistant] And since we were talking about turning off Mike McCarthy's headset was that


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[Assistant] Why is Dak Prescott still in this game in the fourth quarter when you have to turn around and play on Thanksgiving and you only have a three day rest? It was, once it was 30-3 and I know I have to play on Thanksgiving,


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[Assistant] I'm benching everyone. Go home, guys. You don't even have to stay at the stadium. I don't care. Go get in the ice bath. We gotta play on Thursday. So I was a little, uh...


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[Assistant] I mean, one flip game, that's what happens. So it's like, you're gonna lose, you're not gonna win every single one of those. The law of averages works against you. There's just so many fluky things that can happen in the NFL. And last year they were average though.


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[Assistant] I do, yeah, I think they're better. They're absolutely better. I don't think they're 10 times better. I think their coaching is better. I think the offense looks better with Kevin O'Connell running it. So there are things that are absolutely better.


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[Assistant] And I will go with the famous Princeton guest of minus 69.


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[Assistant] Wait, real quick, I gotta bring up Brett Maher, and uh.


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[Assistant] Of the entire regular season when we had him kick a 60 yard field, well then the refs magically decide


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[Assistant] As Ryan loves to say that somebody in New York was drinking pina coladas realized they need to review the play. So they buzz in like after his kick already went in from 60 freaking yards. The guy makes a 60 yard field goal. Then they go review it. The play stands and they make him kick it over. You cannot make a guy try a 60 yard field gun.


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[Assistant] There have only been two field goals this entire season of over 60 yards before this week. So you're asking this guy to make two in a row. That is literally like asking


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[Assistant] He is made four in his career, uh, which is the NFL record. He is four of four. So he is a hundred percent.


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[Assistant] Well they had a kick like that. He tried a 59 yarder a year or two ago and was like why wouldn't the holder just back up a yard and just go to 60. It's all in the head. It's all in the head.


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[Assistant] And real quick, uh, Brett Maher is, he is 57.8% on field goals between 50 and 59 yards. So barely hits half of those. You move that thing back to 60, he doesn't miss. It is literally crazy. Okay.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'll just say real quick, look, Dennis Allen stuck by him and he made the Allen's game will pay off and he went out there, had the game of his life. I can't remember, but it was one PM. We know daytime Dalton daytime Dalton showed up.


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[Assistant] 260 yards, three touchdown passes, completed 84% of his passes. He was on fire. He looked awesome. The Rams did not look awesome. You know, Cooper Cup didn't play. Matthew Stafford went in the concussion protocol, even though I don't think he's there anymore. Uh, Rams season is over. The Saints are still kind of alive because they're in the NFC South.


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[Assistant] And your fun fact is that Rams are 3 and 7, which is tied for the worst start ever by a reigning Super Bowl champion.


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[Assistant] Yes, there is whatever somebody tweeted out that if the Broncos just scored 18 points per game, scored 18 points in every game, that would be nine in one right now.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think if you're the Waltons and you're worth 65 billion dollars that you are calling Sean Payton and you're saying, look,


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[Assistant] We have this checkbook here. It's got, it's blank. You write as many zeros and whatever numbers you want and it will cash, uh, cause it's uncle Sam's money, literally uncle Sam Walton. So yes, it will absolutely cash and get here now. So that's what I'm doing. And you know, Nathaniel Hackett, he gave the old college tribe, but it just,


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[Assistant] Ridiculous. Mine is Zach Wilson for throwing everyone but him under the bus.


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[Assistant] We did it. It took two and a half months, Breach. We got Breach, uh, Brenton to do the very beginning of the introduction for the week 10 NFL recap show on Sunday night.


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[Assistant] And then he just said adios a week before they go to Mexico to play Monday night. How do you explain that?


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[Assistant] We were talking about you. Uh, the one time you showed up early, then you get kicked off by the internet gods for a reason.


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[Assistant] So Briggs, let's stop and talk about that quickly. So 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter, 27-17 following the Dalvin. Right. Okay. Exactly. So it's at the plus seven yard line.


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[Assistant] Fourth and two, and Alan said after the game, he goes, I just threw it in the end zone because I wasn't going to take a sack there. At that point, you just, you had options. So Breach, you're on team field goal there to go up 30-17.


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[Assistant] Here's the other thing. Uh, Pat P made the interception, our own Pat P, all things covered along with our dude BMAC. He returned the ball to the Buffalo 30 yard line. In the process, Josh Allen, in his frustration and infinite wisdom, tried to punch the ball out.


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[Assistant] And here's the thing about Pat P. He did not have a great game in the first half. Devin, Devin Singletary juked him twice on one drive in which Devin Singletary ended up in the end zone. I think Singletary scored twice in this game. So it was a nice comeback in the second half from Pat P. And, uh, that ended in a, uh, Kurt Cousins-like celebration on the plane ride home.


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[Assistant] Number two behind George Bick and sketch against the Browns on that Thursday night came early.


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[Assistant] Catch is fantastic and amazing and it's probably number one for the year.


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[Assistant] Well, we'll see. We have, we have, uh, three months to go.


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[Assistant] Philip Rivers, I'm guessing? Nope, his name rhymes with Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Kirby not getting it on, on that final little plunge into the end zone coming a pinch of short. The, the first down is when Kirby tripped.


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[Assistant] He was stripped by a right guard, Ed Ingram. He had happened earlier in the game and he tried to throw the ball backwards like he was, uh, Marcus Mariota the other night. And luckily the running back, I think was to help him recover. This time he, he didn't do anything. He just held onto it. And that took them from what was like inside the two after another JJ catch, after the catch we've just talked about, and then set up the chain of events that got them into that situation where


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[Assistant] Kirby had to go for it on, uh, and didn't make it there on 4th down setting up the most improbable play it feels like in this season.


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[Assistant] I was in, I was in 6th grade. I was in 6th grade in 1986, thinking about uh, wrestling. By the way,


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[Assistant] Uh, Rich, Rich Scharnberger, who used to pay for the Patriots, now does a radio show, actually tweeted this out, I thought it was pretty funny. Kirk Cousins, Josh Helenhead, back to back, two of the worst QB sneaks in NFL history.


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[Assistant] He didn't, no, he didn't say that. He said, uh, New York did not buzz. So it wasn't even the booth upstairs. This is New York's responsibility inside two minutes. He said, look, uh, it should have been reviewed. We saw the replay a few plays later. I don't know if he's looking at the scoreboard or what.


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[Assistant] But Breach, here's the thing, and they would have had every right to do that, and justifiably so, to throw eggs at the building, but don't hurt anyone, because then you get in trouble. But I mean, what happened to the Saints? I mean, the Bensons were absolutely irate, Sean Payton was irate when they got screwed on that PEI that wasn't, and what happened?


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[Assistant] You're right, you're right about that. Absolutely, but it was black and white PI as well. My point is that if you get screwed, guess what? You are screwed. Uh, we will see you at your next game. Please shut up about it, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so there's no recourse. So, I mean, you know, as Brenton said, uh,


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[Assistant] Just hit the button, man, even if you don't know. In college football, they stop this stuff all the time, they have eight hour games, and it frustrates the crap out of me, but at least they, they get so many more calls right in college football than the NFL, and it's insane.


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[Assistant] And the funny thing is, if they called timeout again, they would have been penalized.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it shouldn't be on the victim, and I use victim in quotation, to


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[Assistant] I say it all the time. Just hire Gene Steritor, Mike Pereira, uhm, the guy who does ESPN and some of that football. Those guys get every single call right.


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[Assistant] So, Breach, you mentioned the Davencook, uhm, run right before that run late in the third quarter. Minnesota, as you said, they were down 17. What do you think their winning percentage was at that point? Their chance to win the game, I should say.


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[Assistant] 2%, you just got smoked on that one, Breach. 10%, are you crazy?


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[Assistant] So, also, here's another sad fact if you're a Bills fan. Uhm, that red zone interception that you talked about, the end the game breach.


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[Assistant] That was, in the last two games, how many red zone interceptions has Josh Allen had? A lot. Four.


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[Assistant] My god. Four in the last two games. It feels like, and look, this may be the injury and a lot of times when guys get hurt, they don't say they're hurt and they play poorly and people get frustrated because they're not the superstars we want them to be. Whatever the excuse is, he looks like 2020 Josh Allen and before.


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[Assistant] So I said this on HQ moments ago with our guy Joe Musso and BMAC. It's a great appearance by the way.


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[Assistant] Thank you. I was repping the, the Pixix brand with this stupid hoodie. How you pull off the hoodie blazer combo. I can, I try to do that.


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[Assistant] Come on now, Charlie Day can wear a hoodie. Uh, but what I was gonna say is, uhm, with Josh Allen,


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[Assistant] I can't remember after I made fun of you, but I'll tell you this fun fact that I'll remember in a second. This isn't a fun fact if you're a Bill Spence, it's a fun fact for everyone else.


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[Assistant] The bills have not scored, and this is from James Palmer, uh, of NFL network. So I didn't verify it, but I think his account was verified. So I'm assuming it's true. The bills have not scored a touchdown in the second half since week six at Kansas city breach. That's a problem.


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[Assistant] It's a huge, it feels like, that's something you say about the Steelers, not that the team is as high powered as the Bills.


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[Assistant] That reminds me of what I was going to say before I rudely called you Mr. DeVito. Uhm, you're definitely more real.


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[Assistant] Move on, as Billy likes to say. Uh, here's the thing, to your point about Josh Allen's elbow.


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[Assistant] When he played, I was shocked because he didn't practice for much at all during the week. He showed up at practice on Thursday or Friday thinking he didn't do a whole bunch. And you know, then they rolled him out there and he looked okay. The first drive, he almost threw an interception. He under threw a pass on third down. And here's the thing, like if Josh Allen should have set out a month and then come back three weeks from now and be 98%, I get it.


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[Assistant] But is it worth risking him, especially when he punched the ball out from our try to from Pat P and appeared to hurt his elbow further? What do we find out now? He has to miss six weeks or eight weeks or something crazy because he played when he shouldn't have played because as Breach noted, Carson Palmer said this injury is


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[Assistant] You know, it, it saps some of your, it saps some of your energy and whatever. And again, I'm just speculating. Hopefully it's a hundred percent tomorrow, but it just feels like.


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[Assistant] Maybe caution would have been the best course here, but I say that knowing that if they had won that game in a fluke way at the end, none of us would have cared.


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[Assistant] To the next game. Is this their signature win? It is their signature win. Is this signature win enough to prove to you that they are the second best team?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, it's like stomps and guts that football outsiders did back in the day that we talked about before. Breach, 8-1. This team is going to the playoffs 99.9%.


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[Assistant] So I guess the question is, clearly Kevin O'Connell is an upgrade from Mike Zimmer, but what constitutes a successful season? Like, one playoff win, an appearance, two playoff wins, because 8-1 is extremely impressive.


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[Assistant] But at the end of the day, as Brenton notes, the, the one score wins. It feels like at some point it might catch up with them and it, you see the, Kirby makes some mistakes.


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[Assistant] Early in the game, and then he comes and makes some miraculous game-changing throws. Dalvin Cook had a huge game, the defense stepped up, all those things that you want to happen, but how confident are you in this team and what is, what constitutes a good season of the year?


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[Assistant] But the Vikings don't know their win totals eight and a half or nine. That's us talking about it. Their ideal is to win, is to, is to, you know, go to the playoffs and win playoff games.


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[Assistant] I think everyone in that organization and every person who's a fan of blackies would be extremely angry if they went 13 to 4 and lost to the 49ers.


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[Assistant] Not you being a loser, but like a, a, a team of losers who's willing to be happy with 14 and three and then, uh, not doing well in the postseason. Okay.


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[Assistant] Breach, Breach crying outside of SoFi Stadium. That says to me that he wasn't happy with how things transpired.


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[Assistant] What do you mean look at us? I said last week if he wins like 21-0, Joshua Gales needs to get fired. And I picked the Colts to win this game.


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[Assistant] Does that say more about the Raiders or more about the Colts? It says more about the Raiders.


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[Assistant] Well that's the thing, so I saw the game, you know, as it's starting, cause the, uhm, the Bills game was going into overtime, and I'm like, wait a second!


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[Assistant] Sam Eliger looks a lot like Matt Ryan in that he's older and taller and skinnier. And then I'm thinking Frank Reich's probably sitting on his couch drinking a beer having the exact same conversation saying this dude made me bench Matt Ryan for Sam Eliger. I get fired two weeks later and now his, his buddy


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[Assistant] Matt Ryan is starting. Oh, I know he started. What I said was, I don't know if Jeff Saturday explained after the game why Matt Ryan was the quarterback. And my point is that if Frank Reich didn't have that pull or Chris Ballard, why does Jeff Saturday have the ability off that 20 and 16 high school coaching record to come in there and say, Hey, this is what's going to happen.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's a good call. I haven't seen it and I can imagine it's probably not going to be great. So uhm,


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[Assistant] Derek Carr came to the podium after the, after the game first press conference. It was literally crying with basically saying how hard this team works in practice and how terrible they play on game days. He said it in a much more, in a much nicer way, but the implication was there's no reason for us to be losing these football games and he ain't wrong, but


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[Assistant] My god, they're finding new and exciting ways to lose. And uhm, before we sort of focus on the, on the Raiders, I will say this. Shout out to Parks Frazier. That dude, 30 years old.


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[Assistant] Never been a play caller. You know what he did Breach? He leaned on Jonathan Taylor, didn't do anything super crazy in terms of trick plays and let Matt Ryan throw complete since he could complete.


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[Assistant] So I'll ask you this and this, all you have to go on is four quarters. Is Jeff Saturday a good coach?


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[Assistant] You know what? I'm of that opinion and I'll tell you why. Because every few weeks, sometimes every week, I'm belly aching about how these offensive defense coordinators see Joshua Daniels get elevated from a job that they're really good at to a job that is completely different and they suck at.


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[Assistant] And Josh McGales in round two as a head coach has been atrocious, even worse than the Denver run back in 2010. Uh, in large part because sometimes guys who are good coordinators aren't good head coaches. Just Saturday didn't need to have a headset on.


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[Assistant] On Sunday and he did look good on him. He has great hair, but I think at the end of the day, he's letting the defensive coordinator do his job. He's letting the OC do his job. He's cheerleading. He's giving pep talks. He's supposed to be a great leader and apparently, uh, that has.


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[Assistant] How bad do the Raiders suck that Jeff Saturday, two weeks ago sent out a tweet that said the Raiders are horrible and that couldn't even be bulletin board material for a team to beat a coach who has previously coached high school and for the last few years has been a media bobblehead like, like us.


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[Assistant] I love Ben, but I think that's stretching the truth on how Matt Ryan was playing. Let's be real.


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[Assistant] Matt Ryan part of that, but I get it. The overall point's fine. I mean, I get it. We'll see. I mean, I thought, as I was telling Breach earlier, I think Jeff Saturday, maybe, maybe he's cut out to be a coach. It's just a matter of him skipping everyone, everyone on the line to get there for the interim job.


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[Assistant] Right. I mean like, I think the bigger story isn't about Matt Ryan. The bigger story is about the, the numb nuts on the other side of the field.


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[Assistant] Like that's a huge concern. Like Breach, which coach, which owner leads the league and having after game meetings with the, with the coach?


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[Assistant] So look, you should have pointed into the booth wherever, uh, or say was sitting and saying, and did the old, uh, the old X move from wrestling back in the day.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, you can't just keep firing coaches. I want to say quickly before we move on. Um, the fourth down play fourth and six that ended up falling harmlessly into the end zone, 15 yards from the end zones where the snap was taken. You could have just thrown for a first down. Uh, instead you throw two.


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[Assistant] Devontae Adams, yes, but you throw against, uh, Steph Gilmore, no, and Steph Gilmore's been playing pretty well, so incompletion there. But the concern, the biggest issue for me was the play before. Third and eight from the, uhm, or the play before was third and six from the 15. Uh, Foster Monroe just drops the ball in the end zone, and that would have been the difference maker. That would have put him up.


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[Assistant] 26-25 before the extra point. So, you can blame the play calling at the end, but the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the


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[Assistant] I'm sure Dolphins fans aren't happy with you because you've been crushing Tua for years.


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[Assistant] So, Breach, I'll ask you this because it's something that's always at the back of my mind. I don't want to be Debbie Downer, but is Jeff Wilson that much worse than Christian McCaffrey?


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[Assistant] Is Tua, uh, in the MVP conversation?


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[Assistant] Also, worth noting, like Tyler Sherfield, he's a really good player.


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[Assistant] Trent, sorry, I think that uh, Tua is actually elevating his play as well. I mean, I talk about, you know, Tyreek being great for Tua, and I think it goes both ways. So, Tyreek only had 5 for 44, uh,


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[Assistant] Benefiting from this offense where Tyreke and Jalen get, get most of the hurt.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I didn't pay for that. People are free to do what they want.


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[Assistant] I think we're sitting, by the way, we haven't even talked about this, but it's week 10 and the bill's the number three team and the AFC. The bills are six. AFC East, excuse me.


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[Assistant] He was Gino for the first half and the second half he re-found his form.


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[Assistant] I think Gino in Germany is the, is the, uh, kryptonite in his game.


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[Assistant] Fool's goal. I mean, this, this feels like a fool's goal situation to me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in Germany. Uh, Breach, if you're the, if you're the Buccaneers and you get to the playoffs and you lose in the first round, you've had a successful season because you won the division, is that right?


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[Assistant] The bucks are 500 half way through the year. What are you talking about?


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[Assistant] No, no, I picked Jameis Winston in the Saints to Winters division. Let's, I'll keep that real. I did think the bucks were gonna sink.


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[Assistant] Their defense is not good. The one of the issues is that Gino was a little conservative in the first half. He looked a little off and the Seahawks defense was finally exposed. Their front seven stinks for the most part, especially the front four. They still have enough bodies.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, so I think the Seahawks, so will the Seahawks win the division? Let's start there. 6 and 4 versus, I think the, what are the...


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[Assistant] 49ers are 5-4 and they're just a half game behind Seattle. And the other question is, are the Bucs back? And by back, I don't mean are they going to win the division. Yea, no crap, they're going to win the division. Are they going to win a playoff game?


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[Assistant] Yep, they got the healthy pizzas. I'm not soldin' the Buccaneers, I'm nervous about the


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[Assistant] They didn't win a Germany breach. Oh, and one in Germany. All right. What's next? Next up the FC.


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[Assistant] So they sort of reversed Mike McCarty themselves and Breach, you can go through the particulars, but I just want to put this Brenton-like conspiracy theory in your head. Do you think as he decided to go forward in overtime on fourth and four, that he was going to do the opposite of what got him fired in Green Bay by Aaron Rodgers and sticking-


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[Assistant] And Aaron Rodgers face, or do you think he legitimately based on his time away that one year after consulting with PFF and other analytics organizations that that was the right call?


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[Assistant] So, let me ask you this. Why, after the play failed, predictably, did Mike McCarthy rip off his headset and throw it into the turf like he was angry about something? What was he, what could he possibly be angry about?


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[Assistant] Do you want to hear a extremely sad fact? Had the Cowboys found a way to win this game? And if you were Packers fan, so Amari Rogers muffed the punt, which is not uncommon. He made that a career at this point, which is extremely frustrating. Um, he has seven career fumbles. He also has eight career catches. That is impossible. That is impossible. That is not.


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[Assistant] Four catches, three touchdowns finally. Uhm, there's one play in the fourth quarter, early in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] Uh, he lost the ball in the light to quit running. I mean, dude, just running the ball, hitching the hands. Those must be the sorts of things that just drive Aaron Rodgers crazy.


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[Assistant] And uhm, Greg Olson, who's awesome, pointed this out. He says, when you're running a deep route, you don't look back at the quarterback, you look up because that's where the ball is going to be. And he slowed up Christian Watson did, and he's a rookie and I actually love him. I love him coming out of North Dakota State and when he played with


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[Assistant] With um, Trey Lance and all that, but he's had a tough year, but he, he, the first touchdown catch he made in that game was also a bomb. And my first thought was if he had dropped that pass.


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[Assistant] He would have been done for the year mentally. Cause he dropped the very first throw of the game that came to him 75 yarder in week one that sort of haunted him. He had two drops prior to that tonight.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the four o'clock game, uh, on Sunday against the Cowboys. So I was glad to see him sort of put it together. Um, still some things to work on, but, uh, I'm sure Aaron Rodgers has some frustration, but it has to be happy. And also I'm sure you guys saw Aaron Rodgers come out the field yelling and screaming at Matt LaFleur, like he was Cliff Kingsbury and Aaron was, was Kyle Murray.


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[Assistant] I was waiting for that. I'm just trying, I'm sort of being hot-ticky. It's fine. That is super hot-ticky. I just, there's no team eight, nine or 10. Uh, I, I can't even do that.


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[Assistant] The Washington Commandos, the Greenway Packers, the Atlanta Falcons, any of those teams going 6-1? No.


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[Assistant] So I, I will stick with Brian Dable who almost, his head almost literally blew off the top. Yeah, there's, there's the path. Everyone's still eligible.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just, you have a quarterback. You have the best quarterback in that draft class. Uh, he threw a terrible pick six to Jeff Fukuda, his former teammate, uh, and then came back and ripped off a 60 something or 70 something yard run.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, he can make mistakes, but he can make up for mistakes. There are only two quarterbacks that can do that. Justin Peels and clearly Matt Ryan, who did it on Sunday as well. But, I mean,


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[Assistant] I'm not even joking when I say that Justin Fields might be the best running quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Breach Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields solely as a break the pocket running quarterback? Stop it.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll, that sort of echoes what I've been saying about Jeff Saturday. Maybe Jeff Saturday is a good coach because he's not an OC who graduated to head coach and thinks he knows more than everyone else. He's just sort of a, a cheerleader who's good at motivating people. Matt Nagy was, was not that, and it's not clear that he was good at dialing up plays because he's now back in Kansas City, um, when, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] Close. Breach? Who is this? What's the question?


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[Assistant] That was wild, man. And by the way, the reason I'm, I'm sort of leaning towards Justin, I'm all, I'm a huge fan boy all of a sudden. Over to Lamar as a running quarterback. If you watched the last play of the game, which was a fourth and eight, uh, with like less than a minute to go after the, the Lions had gone ahead and Justin finally got sacked, but he literally shed three tackles from guys who weighed north of 300 pounds.


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[Assistant] And he runs a 4-4, or whatever he runs. You're not catching him in the open field. Lamar's the same, but Lamar's gonna go down if you hit him three or four times. And it took the fourth defender, it wasn't Anzaloni, it was someone else, who almost had to body slam Justin into the back of the end zone to get him down.


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[Assistant] Andre Cisko hit was, was not a flag. I don't think it should have been a flag. And in fact, if you see the replay on Juju Smith-Schuster, who got concussed and had to leave and hopefully is okay, Andre actually tries to, to move his head out of the way when he, when he hits him on that, on that play in the middle of the field. I don't know if they were headhunting in other plays, but that one sticks out as one that I thought was, was, he tried his best to get out of the way. Obviously you don't want people


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[Assistant] So Breeze, did you see the Kaderis Tony touchdown?


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[Assistant] All right, I'm going to put it in Slack and Billy, if you want to put this on the screen, you can't cause I have a question. That's a, probably the best question I've ever asked. So could Ares Tony scored in the first half on a little swing pass? Um, the first quarter of the game late in the first quarter. And if you watch it, he catches the ball and he gets two feet down.


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[Assistant] I was dying. I was hoping that part of me wanted it to be like incomplete just for the conversation, but it is also funny that this is Kader's, Tony's first touchdown in the NFL by the way. Uh, he played for the Giants the entirety last year, was injured for most of it and he looked electric. He made some plays that.


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[Assistant] If you, you sort of squinted, it looked like Tyreek in terms of going up for balls and catching over people much taller than him.


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[Assistant] Um, but he's clearly going to be an important part of this offense, especially if Juju has to miss some time with the concussion.


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[Assistant] Have you ever heard anyone say they don't love playing in the Chiefs offense? Like Le'Veon Bell wanted to get out of Pittsburgh and sometimes you hear that about other teams around the league. No one ever says that about Patrick Mahomes or anybody.


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[Assistant] Whether it's the same foot equals inbounds. So you can, if you hop twice on the right.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm just telling you what people said here. I thought they said the exact same thing.


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[Assistant] That's exactly what KaderiSony did on his first session. That's what we're gonna talk about.


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[Assistant] There you go. Take that commenters. Nice try. Almost got me.


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[Assistant] So Breach, I think the highlight of the day for Riley Patterson was the onside kick because he missed two field goals. Not that they cost him a game, but those are things that can happen when you're trying to be a good football team.


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[Assistant] Uh, one thing, Jacksonville is actually 14th in DVOA. So they're basically, they're above replacement level. And again, I'll ask you, when will you become concerned about Sheriff Lawrence? You keep deflecting.


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[Assistant] I'm not concerned about Trevor Lawrence. So if he throws two touchdowns at four interceptions every game for the rest of the way out, you'll be fine with that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you also thought NFTs were a thing.


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[Assistant] I think the bingles are going to find their way into it. Mathematically, they're still alive.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Bengals, I think they're gonna make it Breach. And my concerns with the Chargers is that everyone on that team, except for Justin Herbert, is injured. That's a huge issue. I love that team, but I have those-


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[Assistant] I don't trust the Jets and I don't trust the Patriots and I might not trust the Bills if we find out that Josh Allen can't play.


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[Assistant] I don't think Jill Lombardi is actually the answer.


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[Assistant] But my, my point is that they, they took it, they played for 55 minutes with the 49ers with four players. So I get it and obviously Sean Payton is going to be able to probably pick his place, but I mean, they're five and four.


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[Assistant] It's not like we're talking about the, the Jaguars who are three and seven or Josh McDaniel, who's two and seven. I mean.


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[Assistant] Breach, if this makes you feel any better, Stephen O going into this weekend had the Bengals playoff chances at 30%. So I don't know if that makes you feel better or worse.


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[Assistant] So the Colts playoff chances before they did what they did to the Vikings was 10.4%.


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[Assistant] So that obviously will go up. Had the, by the way, had the Browns, had the Browns beaten the Dolphins and the spread was only like plus four for a while.


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[Assistant] Just give me a quick synopsis of it.


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[Assistant] Turns out, Breach, Andy Dalton still stinks through two interceptions. The Steelers have gone to a running


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[Assistant] Yeah, the funniest thing is, like, this is your podcast, and you somehow make it work by, by, you know, doing the things you do.


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[Assistant] Uh, by the way, Breach, this is a little sad Andy Dalton fact, which I'm probably sure you know. Joe Rudder, the trip review in Pittsburgh, before the game noted that Andy Dalton, not only has Andy Dalton lost seven starts in a row against the Steelers, his teams that he's played for, whether the Bengals or the Cowboys or the


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[Assistant] So it's gone up to 8 and 13 now. Uh, the Steelers did run it back by committee, Najah Harris and Jaylen Warren, and that finally had some success, uh, but they still are not very good.


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[Assistant] No, I'm looking, I wrote this down right before I did HQ. So, Breach, what do you think the Cardinals record is on the road since 2021?


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[Assistant] I mean, it's week 10 now. Week 10 might be the over-under. You lose next week.


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[Assistant] I think that's why he was uncovered. Like they didn't know he was actually on the team and he just sort of stayed on it. And they finished with 10 points. Yeah, I was surprised. This is the Denver Broncos.


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[Assistant] Let's see. Oh, that's an easy one. Jeffrey Saturday the 3rd.


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[Assistant] That's an easy one. Him or his camel hair jacket? Because they both had a tough day.


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[Assistant] He was missing his pork buy hat, what those hats called? Pork, pork, the, the Kangal?


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[Assistant] All right, my loser, I'm going to keep it in Vegas. It's Josh McDaniels. And the fact that he has a job, uh, should anger people who are currently looking for employment because that man should be nowhere near, uh, a head coaching job in NFL based on the first 10 weeks of the season.


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[Assistant] Ford red zone turnovers in two games. He's the last two quarters have been terrible. I think he leaves the NFL interceptions. I might be wrong in that, but I think he does.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was kidding. Uh, 49ers, Chargers. So here's my takeaway in that game. Uh, Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] Four injured receivers out. He lost, uh, Gerald Everett in the game with a groin injury and the guys that were left, DeAndre Carter is a special team or Josh Palmer is in year two. He's good, but he's not a number one. Austin Echler can't be your number one as a wide receiver, although he had to assume that role late in the game and they were hanging on for dear life. And I thought they played as well as they could have played. I haven't talked about the injuries on the other side.


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[Assistant] Um, and for the 49ers, it felt like to me that they were sort of feeling their, their way through the first half. And then once they started running the ball.


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[Assistant] Well, Elijah Mitchell, by the way, not, not Christian McCaffrey, uh, Elijah Mitchell finally returned. He went off. It feels like this is just a matter of figuring things out over the next few weeks. As we noted, they're going to the playoffs because the NFC is so terrible. No one's going to catch them. And then once they hit late December, early January, it'll be all systems go in terms of how this offense operates.


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[Assistant] I will say one of the things, uh, the Chargers had no chance in the second half, reaching out at the yard as they had, they were banged up, they couldn't get anything done.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I will say that the officials, once again, they pulled a Gabe Davis in this game when, um, I'm not sure who it was for the 49ers, caught the ball, the one yard line for some stupid reason, either the long stamp or the punter congratulated him by hugging him and pushing him to the end zone. And Terry McCall is like, that is a freaking touchback. Why are they?


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[Assistant] Maybe. You have Justin Herbert for two years, you don't make the playoffs?


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[Assistant] Everyone on this team is hurt. They haven't, they've had Keenan Allen for like 40 snaps.


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[Assistant] Okay, that very well might happen. I don't know if Brandon Saylor deserves to be fired is all I'm saying. What do you think, Breach?


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[Assistant] I cannot dispute that, Thomas. That is a fantastic point, one which I had forgotten about.


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[Assistant] I think if anybody wants to hear it, then go back to the early odds podcast that we recorded at halftime and you told the whole story there. You know, you should say somebody in the comments just asked how the revenge parlay did Brinton. Why don't you tell them that instead?


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[Assistant] We'll take a look out and then it is this first game we talk about every time we've done this podcast for the past five years of Wilson the Sunday night game.


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[Assistant] But while you're doing the Harlem Globetrotter stuff, the bad team hits like 12 straight three pointers and cuts the lead down.


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[Assistant] Right, and they cut the lead from like 75 down to 12, so it looks like it was a close game, when in fact it was not. And Brinton, I feel like you hit the nail on the head saying that, uh, it felt like the Bills were toying with the Packers, like it was a cat hitting a ball of yard. It was two picks by Allen were like.


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[Assistant] If they're playing the Chiefs and it's 23-20 in the fourth quarter, he doesn't make either of those things.


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[Assistant] Well, and I think what you guys are saying is the point here. At any point in the second half, did either of you feel like there was any chance that the Bills were going to lose this game?


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[Assistant] No, no, there was just, it was just Green Bay, it took so much effort to move the ball at all. They couldn't run a two minute offense. They, they could not do anything.


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[Assistant] Right. And so maybe it necessarily wasn't the Bills taking their foot off the gas and the offense was a little less inefficient. But when you're up 24 to seven, it was almost like they became disinterested. It was just like, you know what? We've got this game in the bag. Let's just get home and, and, uh, and also try and start a fight with Jair Alexander.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers hurting himself because the front office thinks that he's so good he can succeed with any, like, we don't need to spend a first round pick on a receiver because we can get someone a second or third round, Aaron Rodgers will make them look awesome because he's such a good quarterback and now you don't have that as much. He looked mortal this year without any weapons.


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[Assistant] It is let, it was masked because they won 13 games in each of the past three seasons and it was, there's no way this isn't going to work and it was, uh, you get rid of Devontae Adams and I think the Packers genuinely thought, hey, the offense is not going to take a step back, we'll figure things out.


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[Assistant] I mean, of course you're concerned with Kirk Cousins. Like, I think one person we've always compared him to is Andy Dalton. And what does Andy Dalton always do? He was good enough to get his team to the playoffs, but not do anything else. His ceiling was the wild card round.


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[Assistant] And that's where you feel like you're at with Kirk Cousins. So I do understand why you are hesitant to say, Hey, this is the second best team in the NFC. Cause then that would imply that, Hey, I think this team could get to the NFC title game. And it sounds like you don't have that kind of faith in cousins. It's just that the Vikings have so many offensive weapons and their defense is just good enough, uh, to.


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[Assistant] Just help them win. You know, they're not out there giving up 30 or 40 points a game. Uh, you know, and they did a good job for the most part today of shutting down the Cardinals offense.


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[Assistant] And the Vikings, like Brinton said, all the teams in the NFC are mostly mediocre. It's just a bunch of average teams and the Vikings are the best average team which puts them behind the Eagles. Right?


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[Assistant] I mean, think of all the ones who are games last year where they were losing your Kirk cousins, you're on the field and you just, every time you look over there, you're like, God, Mike Zimmer wants to fight me. I like what kind of pressure does that put on you? You're not going to play well when you feel that extra pressure. Whereas Kevin O'Connell comes across more of Kirk cousins, his best friend.


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[Assistant] And doing his best to make sure cousins succeed and he feels like the perfect coach for Kurt.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it wasn't shot at Kirk. Kirk has probably never even heard of Call of Duty.


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[Assistant] I'm still convinced- Until Kirk or Clip, or until Kyler or Clip is gone. One of them.


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[Assistant] I just do not think that ownership will fire him and pay out his contract after giving him extension until 2027. But I also don't think that he can coexist with Kyler Murray for two or three more years. Uh, cause it feels like they get more and more frustrated with each other.


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[Assistant] Uh, my guess is that they had, it wasn't many, cause they had a lot of long touchdown passes.


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[Assistant] The Eagles straight, the victory is under 500 right now and the bills is over 500.


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[Assistant] So even if you were on Twitter, everyone was shocked. It was like if we were on a basketball court and you guys walked in and I slam dunked it, your jaw would drop because you've like reached your five foot six.


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[Assistant] But it's the last thing you would ever expect. And so that's why, you know, and it's like, why can't Matt Canada diversify the playbook and, and come up with, you have to have crazy trick plays all the time, but at least he's always on his heels by changing things up.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't want to sit here and say I said all offseason that Dalton would be the better quarterback in the system, but clearly the Saints agree with me. And the thing is this team is like perfectly built for Dalton. He's doing this even though, uh,


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[Assistant] Even though Michael Thomas, Jarvis Landry aren't out there. So it's basically just Andy Dalton throwing passes to Alvin Kamara. And then, uh, you know, obviously the run game is a big part of this and they mix in Taysom Hill.


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[Assistant] Which is something Matt Canada would never do, by the way. He'd be like, you know, Taysom, you just stay on the bench, uh, because you can't help us at all. And so, what the Saints are doing on offense is, hey look, try not to make mistakes, because we saw last week when Dolan threw two pick sixes, they're not going to win.


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[Assistant] But this defense is good. This is the defense I think everyone thought they were going to see at the beginning of the year when the Saints were trendy pick to win the NFC South. That was you, Wilson, right?


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[Assistant] And then it was, do they have a quarterback who can win them games? Because James Winston was obviously a big question mark coming off his ACL. And even if Andy Dalton was going to play, he was also a big question mark. But this is how they want to win games. They have their defense. You have Kamara going off for 160 total yards and three touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Uh, and by the way, the, this is his 10th career game with a rushing touchdown and a receiving touchdown.


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[Assistant] Which is tied with Christian McCaffrey for the third most NFL history. So when you look at this, you know, the Saints looked like they were left for dead a couple weeks ago. There's no way they were going to be competing because the team just didn't look good. And now they're three and five, one game out of first place and it feels like


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[Assistant] Maybe they're the most talented team in the division. If everyone's healthy on the roster, they haven't had that really yet. But if this team gets healthy, I don't see any reason why they can't win this division.


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[Assistant] Will said, I mean they had the bangles beat. If the Jamar chase doesn't catch a 60 yard touchdown with two minutes left, they win that game.


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[Assistant] A little different than Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury though, because not very much.


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[Assistant] Well, one part of your question, Wilson, is that look, uh, Mark Davis had another sit down meeting with Josh McDaniels today.


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[Assistant] Yes, today, that's the second time in eight weeks that the owner has called the head coach into his office. And I'm sure he's saying something like, what the hell, man? Why is this team horrible? How do we get shut out for the first time since 2014? What is going on? And if you're Josh McDaniels,


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[Assistant] At the end of the season, I mean, aren't you throwing Derek Carter to the bus? Like in saying, Hey, yes, this is my offense. It worked in New England. It's clearly the quarterbacks fall. If we get rid of Derek and bring someone else in. So I, this situation is named.


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[Assistant] Brady almost ended up with the Raiders when Gruden was there, and Gruden nixed it. We saw that report from over the summer, and if Brady still wants to go to Vegas, uh, you know, if he wants to play one more year, the path is there, because...


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[Assistant] He can play next year without any infighting with his family. So, uh, maybe Tom Brady ends up with Josh McDaniels.


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[Assistant] And that might be the plan B. Maybe this is a situation where, uh, Robert Sala is trying to kind of light a fire under Zach Wilson saying, look, Mike White's not there anymore. He looked good last year for a couple of games. We're going to put them right behind you. If something happens to you, he's in. And if you keep struggling, he might be in, you know, I feel like Sala is hesitant.


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[Assistant] You know, when you're two and five, you have a little more leeway. You can be hesitant because you can say, yeah, things aren't going well. Let's just see how he plays out. Maybe we'll do something after the season.


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[Assistant] But when you're five and two going to a game like this, and now five and three, that's not there. Cause you think, Hey, if we get this quarterback situation, right, we can get to the playoffs. And right now it doesn't feel like Zach Wilson's quarterback is going to get the scene to the playoffs. And I think that's what Robert Sala is going.


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[Assistant] Uh, did we, oh I know, let me find this quote real quick. The only thing I'd say in Wilson's defense is that a lot of first and second year quarterbacks look horrible against Bill Belichick.


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[Assistant] The one thing I would say to that though, as bad as Wilson was with his three interceptions is


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[Assistant] Uh, if you don't have that much faith in Wilson, why are you asking him to throw the ball 41 times? Do you just give up? Uh, this is, you know, if this was a, uh, a 40 to 10 blowout where you had to throw the ball because you were, you know, you're in comeback mode the whole time.


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[Assistant] It was a one score game for almost the entire game till late in the third quarter when the Patriots went up 19 to 10.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I threw this out to Brinson during the, uh, early odds podcast that Belichick is now 30 and six against first or second year quarterbacks, uh, since the beginning of the 2014 season. And I know someone mentioned Justin Fields, they show or the Patriots show against him, but that he has struggled against mobile quarterbacks because three of the six losses are the two. Uh, and then the other three, Andy Dalton, uh, wrong. No Justin Fields. Okay. Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] Wrong! Russell Wilson's predecessor in Denver!


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[Assistant] Who is it? After getting somebody down by the Patriots, it's the Bills and then the Patriots again.


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[Assistant] Which the season record for an entire season is five games of 160 more yards. So literally Tyree Kill could break a season long record in week nine. That's how insane his season is right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know what? One thing that really impressed me was their ability to convert on third down. They were 8 of 12, but it wasn't even just that they did that. It was that...


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[Assistant] The, they, just some huge big, there was a third and 13, boom, throw it up, tie, re-kill, they convert. There was another third and 13, boom, conversion. I don't know what the Lions were doing on third and long, but it wasn't playing defense because the Dolphins were just, just, they made it look so easy.


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[Assistant] Uh, and also, it does help to have Tyreek kill. There's a couple of times where Tua just throws it up and he expects Tyreek to make the catch, and then he does! And it is a difficult thing to stop. Uhm, so, you know, I am surprised this game wasn't.


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[Assistant] 2o probably thinks if I slide like this I'm not good at it, I have a better chance of getting injured on the slide than I would taking this hit.


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[Assistant] I wanna watch it. Now I want like a video of Breach trying to slide. In the mouse costume or no mouse costume?


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[Assistant] Last year it was, oh, we had all these moral victories, at least we were in the games, and you're okay with that because of the disaster you just went through.


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[Assistant] This year, that's not okay. This year you want to win those games. This is, Hey, look, we're in these games. Why can't we win them? Is this a coaching thing? Is this, uh, the Vikings last year who were losing all these one score games and now they're winning them because they made a coaching change. Do they have the talent to do that? I mean, you look at the lions and what they've done over the last three weeks over, under,


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[Assistant] Three points that they have scored in the second half over the past three weeks. Or, or exactly three.


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[Assistant] It's under. It is zero. They have not scored a single second half point in their past three games.


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[Assistant] Long story short, the Lions have been outscored 48 to nothing in the second half over the past three weeks. Is that a coaching issue? Is that a Jared Goff issue? Is that a defensive issue? That whatever it is, it's an issue. And so you've got to find the root of the problem. And so I think that Dan Campbell probably gets at least one more season. Uh, but.


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[Assistant] You know, I do think that if you're the owner, I think you actually got a vote of confidence from the owner in the past week.


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[Assistant] If he, if this, if the rest of the season, if they only win three or four games, then you say, all right, I got to think about replacing him if he doesn't turn things around in 2020.


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[Assistant] Wait, can I just say it real quick? Let me say it real quick. Yeah, go ahead. Brinston and I are on the Early Odds podcast and Brinston goes, oh, the Falcons, uh, should have handily won that game. And I pointed out two things that said the Panthers should have handily won it. Then Brinston pointed out two things before those things that the Falcons should have won it. And it was just like, we're like, oh my God, just the recap. This game was bonkers. It was absolute bonkers.


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[Assistant] And if you make it, no one's talking about the DJ Moore helmet thing. Nobody's talking about your missed extra point. Nobody is talking about anything except for the crazy fact that the Carolina Panthers are in first place heading into week nine. But no, you missed it just the same way you missed the extra point and- And you could argue-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean a 32 yard field goal is a much higher probability. Then you're talking about like 98%. So.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's probably gonna bounce back somewhere else. And the thing is, kickers say that, but misses like that can stick with you if you're not-


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[Assistant] That was good. And look, Steve Wilkes isn't tied to Pinero. That was...


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[Assistant] He's not tied to anyone, so he's gonna have no problem saying, yeah, this guy just cost us a game. I don't know if I want to hold on to him. Uh, and you know, by the way, I will say that.


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[Assistant] And he bounced back fine, but he's got like the big gay mentality. Pinero's not, you know, he's kind of bounced around.


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[Assistant] Ed McPherson missed those kicks knowing his job was not on the line. This is different with Pinero.


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[Assistant] Well, I can literally point to five plays in this game that were, you can pretty much put on Trevor Lawrence. Uh, obviously the two interceptions, the one at the one yard line. If you think, and Justin Simmons made a fantastic play.


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[Assistant] On that, but you can, but if it gets over his head, it probably still gets picked because there was like two defensive backs back there.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, Trevor Lawrence only, the Broncos only sacked Trevor Lawrence twice, but they both came on third down.


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[Assistant] In Denver territory, knocked Jacksonville out of field goal range and forced them to punt on both plays. I wouldn't put them 100% on Trevor because obviously, you know, your, your offense line struggle a little bit when you get sacked.


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[Assistant] But the fact that Bosax happened on plays where he held the ball a little bit too long because he's looking to make something happen downfield. And then there was another third down where he took an intentional grounding that forced them to punt. And so those five plays were mostly Trevor Lawrence's fault and very costly and probably cost in the game.


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[Assistant] Well, let me ask you guys this, is there any way it turns into a Jared Goff situation where you're just kind of always on the fence until it finally gets to the point where yeaah, he's probably not going to get. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] He could be Jared Goff or worse. But Trevor Lawrence, I use Jared Goff because he's a number one overall pick and Jared Goff is number one overall pick.


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[Assistant] You know the one thing I will real quick will say about the Broncos is that this was easily Russell Wilson's best game of the year. He had three drives where he was nearly perfect and he had flashes of the Russell Wilson of old on those drives. But on every other possession, he looked like the Russell Wilson we watched for the last seven weeks.


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[Assistant] But, you know, just the fact that the Broncos got flashes of that, you go into the buy, his hamstring is gonna heal, and if that offense, defense is a playoff caliber defense, and I'm not saying the Broncos are gonna make the playoffs, I'm just saying they have one of the better defenses in the AFC, and if the offense can just take a couple baby steps forward, uh, they could get to seven or eight wins, maybe?


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[Assistant] Shane Hayes is not going to flip on Garoppolo after watching Jimmy Wiedem, the MC title game. You let him walk. It's, that's, I feel like that bridge is burnt. Adios. Sayonara.


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[Assistant] We're two weeks removed from having a conversation about whether Jimmy's any good because he threw two picks against the Falcons and they lost a game they shouldn't have lost. And then obviously didn't help very much against the Chiefs last week.


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[Assistant] I feel like they play the Buccaneers on week 9 this Sunday, and I feel like that is an elimination. If you lose that game, your season's over. I don't think so.


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[Assistant] And also when you say they're a half game out of the playoffs, you need to note that the seventh seeded team that they're half game behind is the 49ers who swept them. So really-


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[Assistant] Uh, well also, this, this game today, or the, the Seahawks-Giants game matched the only two quarterbacks who Eli Manning ever got benched for. Gino versus Daniel.


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[Assistant] Well that's what it feels like. It feels like Pete Carroll did not like all the improvisation that Russell Wilson gave him. He's like, look man, this is the playbook. You follow the playbook.


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[Assistant] Our offensive coordinators are multiple ones you have gone through. Uh, they do that. You can't just run around and create plays because like we always say with Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury, that style is just not sustainable. It's exciting to watch.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, obviously it was huge because the Seahawks got 10 points out of that, but...


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[Assistant] But unless the Giants stop the hook for not doing anything on offense. You gotta get some serious praise from the Seahawks defense which was just god awful the first few weeks of the season. I mean they were giving up.


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[Assistant] Uh, Cowboys now 8-0 all time when Tony Pollard gets 15 more touches in a game. They've averaged 37 points per game in those wins.


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[Assistant] They let Malik Willis throw 10 passes, so I think that answers your question.


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[Assistant] Uh, I didn't see enough of him to... The answer is yes.


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[Assistant] What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Pixix Podcast, CBS Sports Daily NFL podcast. I'm Oberynson. I'm your host. This is the press coverage Monday after NFL week nine. Joining me to break down.


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[Assistant] Sundry, uh, uh, Sundry, is it Sundry List? Or is it Sundry Topics? Can you say Sundry Topics? Tyler Sullivan aka Sully. Tyler Sullivan aka Sully. What's up buddy?


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[Assistant] I don't know. Myriad? Prefer Myriad? Sure. Yeah, okay. I like that. Sundry topics.


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[Assistant] Cause it's like Sunday, but it means multiple, it just means like a random list of topics. Uh, we're going to hear an Angular of a cheesehead.tv coming on shortly. Join us to talk about the Packers. Um, let's, uh, but we did an emergency Frank Reich's been fired podcast earlier. You can find that in the feed.


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[Assistant] So he was kind of enough to jump on with Wilson and then I jumped on and then I jumped out and then Wilson wrapped up. And now, but like somehow throughout all that discussion.


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[Assistant] Well, trying to figure out who would be the interim head coach. John Fox, he's on the staff. Gus Bradley, he's a former head coach. He's on the staff. Nope.


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[Assistant] It's Jeff Saturday of ESPN, Sully. Uh, I think the news that they're hiring Jeff Saturday to be their interim head coach is more shocking than the news that they fired Frank Wright in the middle of the season.


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[Assistant] I mean, Adam Schefter had the scoop first, I think. Which would make sense. You would hope so.


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[Assistant] I'd be furious if I was chef team. I didn't get that. Didn't get that scoop. Um, maybe Tom Pellicero had it pretty early too.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure that it was, uh, it was, it was Shepter first. At any rate, uh, Jeff Saturday, the consultant for the team is in the Colts ring of honor, head coach for the Hebrew on Christian Academy football team in Dakota, Georgia. So I think that's a high school.


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[Assistant] Look, uh, the, the calls, by the way, don't have to go through the Rooney rule process for an interim head coach only applies for a full time head coach. So I assume that they would need to interview minority candidates before hiring even Jeff Saturday.


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[Assistant] So what's interesting is that, uh, a couple, just a couple of things on this. One.


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[Assistant] To me, this says very clearly, if you look at the cults over the past five or six weeks or whatever it is, um, with basically.


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[Assistant] You know, you have the, we talked about Jim Mercer, he's still being mad about the Carson Wentz thing.


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[Assistant] And then the Matt Ryan thing's not working out. I think Jim Mercy said, I'm taking over this team.


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[Assistant] And he is the one who, he is the one who ordered the benching of Matt Ryan for uh, Sam Ellinger.


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[Assistant] Whether he thinks that's to tank or to find out or whatever he thinks that's forward to save the money off Matt Ryan, but he's got his reasons in the middle of this in between Frank, right? Being fired and eligible being benched.


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[Assistant] He goes on a 13 minute tangent at the earners meetings about Dan Snyder.


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[Assistant] Like just unleashing on a fellow owner, which is something that only a person who is, uh, very intensely, uh, emotional at the current moment would do. He fires Frank Reich and he hires Jeff Saturday.


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[Assistant] And like, you can hear her say, we're doing the show Monday at 1.25 right now. I know what Joe Mercy is going to say at this press conference.


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[Assistant] That's maybe more intense than RZLB, but like he, like he is going to make this all about Colt's culture, all about, you know, for the shoe, all kind of, all kinds of things like that. And I don't know that, like, I mean, look,


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[Assistant] But he has no experience doing it. Texas tried to do this with Josh McCown. They got absolutely murdered in the press last year. Uhm, so like, I don't think it's fair for us not to question very clearly question what the hell the Colts are doing. Steven Holder of The Athletic, or is he still at The Athletic, or did he go?


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[Assistant] Anyway, he's been covering Indianapolis Indy, Indy football for a long time.


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[Assistant] So this might go down as one of the craziest days in his career and quote, I've seen some stuff.


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[Assistant] Uh, Zach Kieffer, uh, actually friend of the pot, Zach Kieffer, uh, who writes about the Colts for the athletic tweeted the Colts bypassed two former NFL head coaches already on staff. Good brass, Gus Bradley, John Fox, and a rising head coach candidate in Bubba Ventrone to name former center, Jeff Saturday, the interim coach. That is a real sentence. It it's, um, it's like one of the crazier like moves I've ever seen. I've been covering this league for 15 years.


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[Assistant] I think it may be more of a, um, I think it's maybe more of a situation where, like with Wisconsin, they fire Paul Crist and hire Jim Leonard.


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[Assistant] No, no, granted different because he's a, he's the DC, like the DC on the staff and a rising head coaching candidate.


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[Assistant] Down the stretch or look competent down the stretch. Then Jim, Jim mercer is trying to give himself an opportunity to justify hiring Jeff Saturday, which he could not do.


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[Assistant] If Jeff said, if, if, if he fired Frank right at the end of the season and Jeff Saturday was just at ESPN and it's a normal off season. Like that would, I mean, this is clearly being scrutinized. Don't get me wrong.


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[Assistant] But he can bypass all of the normal processes. Hire Jeff Saturday as an interim coach.


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[Assistant] I don't know whether he's going to play Sam Ellinger, whether he's going to play Matt Ryan. I would assume Ellinger. I don't know how he's going to win games with this roster, but if he does.


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[Assistant] Then, to me, that's what he's doing, is he is trying to figure out a way to justify how he can hire Jeff Saturday on a full-time basis.


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[Assistant] I would assume that the way that he's acting, it's, it's, it's, it's almost, I don't want to say certain, but like.


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[Assistant] Like likely that he is going to fire Chris Ballard at the end of this year too.


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[Assistant] Scotty Montgomery, the former Duke head coach.


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[Assistant] Excuse me. The former Duke wide receiver and in ECU head coach is their running backs coach. I can't remember if he called plays at ECU, ECU, not him. I guess he's a possible candidate. Um,


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, I'd be freaked out about being a disaster in Indianapolis. All right. Um, let's, uh, let's, let's pivot and talk some green Bay Packers joining us now. Aaron Nagler of Cheesehead TV. What's up, buddy?


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[Assistant] Good. Uh, long time, long time no talk. Uhm, before we get to the Packers, I just really quickly, I'm curious what you think about, because you and I have been doing this a long time.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to, I mean, I remember seeing Erse, I mean, even like in 2011, 2012, like when, you know, we're covering the freaking lockout and like the owner's meetings back then, like Erse would like get up and do the, you know, he'd like hold court in front of reporters and like ramble on for like.


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[Assistant] I need to go and look and see just how many cults, like former cults players are on this, are on this.


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[Assistant] That's like, uh, I do local radio around, you know, and like, he's like,


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[Assistant] Is this a wide receiver thing? Is it an offensive line thing? Like why, why this went from an absolutely dominant offense, two straight years. And then they did, they came in and said this all season, they're like, we're going to be more defense based and more run heavy.


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[Assistant] So in other words, you, you, you feel like the, the front office and this is also where you come in, like, you know, it's, it's a, it's a perfect contrast of Jim or say, and then, you know, like no owner. I mean, you know, I mean, obviously Mark Murphy.


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[Assistant] If, I mean, Earthshaker definitely leaned in on that, that back in 2011. It was like, we need to get, like, this is, this is the year you tank.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's sort of one of the two should, I mean, should the Packers at three and six be considering not tanking, but like, okay.


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[Assistant] They, I mean, I don't want this to be like, they held the Lions to 15 points, like that's, I mean,


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[Assistant] I reference this all the time, but I always get back to it. Like we did a stream with Jordy Nelson like two years ago, like during the pandemic, like a watch party thing. And he was asked about the wide receiver stuff. He's like, Aaron wants wide receivers who understand how to operate on that secondary route break when he spins out of the pocket and he wants him, you know,


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[Assistant] On the same page as he is, uh, you know, we saw maybe one example with Toure, um, on that deep pass of how that actually works.


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[Assistant] You know, and they, I mean, they reportedly tried to go trade for like four picks for Darren Waller and Chase Claypool, which speaks to the desperation that you got going on there.


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[Assistant] I don't, just get, just tighten everything up, pound the ball, and try and steal some games.


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[Assistant] And like, I sort of always thought I was like, all right, they're going to just put, they're going to move. Like I thought the plan was AJ Dylan in the backfield. Most of the time, Aaron Jones split him out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, yeah, it's like, it's even like the stuff that they do could be, yes, they're not.


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[Assistant] Is it possible too that like the lack of trust in his wide receivers has sort of created a lack of confidence or a lack of trust in himself to like pull the trigger where he's like,


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[Assistant] It's also like, some of that stuff manifests itself in terms of, you know, you're overcompensating sometimes for injury, you're overcompensating sometimes for a failure of the offense to function in a proper way.


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[Assistant] Yep, trying to make it all ha- exactly. You- you're looking around you and you're like,


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[Assistant] I am curious what you think. If you went back in time, like let's say a year and a half and you said, Hey, Hey, younger Aaron.