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[Assistant] It was a slow major season with, with two phenomenal major champions and two players that I don't think any of us saw coming. Wyndham Clark started the year outside the top 150 in the world and Brian Harmon had won more than six years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's also has been a lot going on in the golf world, which, uh, potentially overshadowed. That's got nothing to do with it. I see what you're saying. But I'm saying the news, the tension, the overarching drama.


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[Assistant] The major season kind of paled to what's going on in the golf universe. Uh, we haven't not really discussed Roy McRoy. So let's do a fun...


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[Assistant] Let's do a fun little subsection here, Rex. Let's give major grades to just four players. We're going to do Rory, we're going to do Brooks, we're going to do Scotty, or we're going to do John Rahm. Let's first start with Rory McRoy. He's the subject of your column on golfchannel.com. On Sunday, a T6 at Royal Liverpool. He will now enter the 2024 Masters.


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[Assistant] Nearly 10 years removed from his last major championship. Utterly unthinkable.


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[Assistant] And yet that is the reality. What was the premise of your column? And then of course, that will segue into your grade form for this major season.


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[Assistant] Did not, did not hesitate at all. I mean, I think, wouldn't everyone golf say that? Like you look at...


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[Assistant] The monstrous gifts he possesses, how good he is in regular events. You mentioned like he literally has amassed a hall of fame career since this drought, yet he hasn't


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[Assistant] Had another major championship. I'm I'm struck and you mentioned it by just how few opportunities he's actually had.


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[Assistant] You think back to the 2018 Masters, he was paired with Patrick Reed in the final group, hit it off the planet.


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[Assistant] Uh, on the opening hole, that kind of set the tone for the rest of the day. Obviously the open championship last year at St. Andrews, he was tied for the 54 hole lead, hit all 18 greens in regulation, didn't have a single one putt birdie. Uhm, you look back, uhm, at the,


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[Assistant] LACC, I think he, he didn't have a birdie after what, the second hole, uh, for the rest of the final round. So,


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[Assistant] I, I guess the question, Rex, and I don't know how much you explore this in your column, why? What's?


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[Assistant] What's, what's the reason? How can someone who is so extravagantly gifted


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[Assistant] Who possesses every single skill, who is a consistent


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[Assistant] How, how can this happen that he's now going 10 years without winning?


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[Assistant] If someone would like to loan us a Weber kettle in Italy, we would love to fire it up. That's a challenge accepted.


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[Assistant] So he worked hard enough to win last year's Canadian Open, he worked hard enough to win last year's Tour Championship, he worked hard enough to win last year's DJ Cup, he worked hard enough to win the Dubai event earlier this year, he worked hard enough to win the Scottish Open last week, but he's not working hard enough to win a major. And again, I don't want to misspeak from my colleague.


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[Assistant] Fifth Ryder Cup, uh, obviously that's a huge goal, not that the major season is over, you didn't have a chance to win. You did dodge the question in terms of what we're giving Roy McRoy, or no you didn't. You said a ridiculous A- for Roy McRoy's major season. I'm going B-. He missed the cut in the major that matters most to him.


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[Assistant] It was so demoralizing to him. It was so frustrating. It was so jarring and shook him.


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[Assistant] He basically gridded out his game at the PGA. I'm not sure how you can say he had an A. We didn't win a major championship.


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[Assistant] Yes. That's pretty good, man. But the one time he had a chance to win a major championship, he fell short.


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[Assistant] I don't know how many more years you want to do the sports journalist job. Uhm, I don't think college professor.


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[Assistant] Uh, is gonna be in your future. So, so just, just be clear. You're, you're given, you're given Rory at A minus.


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[Assistant] Even though he missed the cut, the major that he, that he coveted the most, the one that has, has been dogging him ever since his collapse in, in 2011. The one that cost him $3 million because he was in such a poor headspace that he could return for a month. You're gonna, you're gonna give him, uh, you're gonna give him an A-.


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[Assistant] But you're, you did come one, one shot short at the USO, but you're gonna give Scottie Scheffler


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[Assistant] Did not have a chance to win any of these major championships. He finished 10th at the Masters while finishing last in the field.


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[Assistant] And include that in my, uh, uh, game story. Perhaps I can make a look at it.


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[Assistant] No. Nope. Cause you know what you can do with that major record?


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[Assistant] Look it up on Google. Uh, so I'm going B minus, February McRoy's major season. I'm going B.


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[Assistant] For Scotty Scheffler because consistency does mean something. You can't take away the fact that he did have a couple of top three finish, even if he did not have a chance to win. I don't, I don't, I don't think Scotty Scheffler


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[Assistant] Uhm, how would you characterize Brooks' versus John Rahm's major? Your John Rahm overtook Brooks at the Masters, won by a handful of shots, uh, did not play particularly well at either the PGA.


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[Assistant] Or the US Open, then comes back to the Open Championship, plays well, finishes T2. Brooks coughs up the lead at the Masters, wins the PGA.


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[Assistant] It doesn't play great at the US Open, still musters a top 20 finish and then comes here to Hoylake and is, is, is dreadful. Finishes outside the top 60, although making the cut. Like, which one do you think is, is more impressive? Because it's, it's almost a wash statistically.


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[Assistant] People would, but people would respect me. People would respect me because I'm a little bit hate you of a strict creator. They would hate you. Just, just to butt this up, John Rahm did have a slightly better.


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[Assistant] Major record. He has a T10 at the U.S. Open and another one like Scully Scheffler. I'm not sure I mentioned his name throughout the entire week. So I would give the edge results wise to Jon Rahm. I think the better story, I think the biggest story


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[Assistant] For me this year was the re-emergence of Brooks Koepka. Easily could have had two majors. He's going to be on that U.S. Ryder Cup team. This was a player who...


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[Assistant] 13, 14 months ago, many of us, perhaps even myself included, kind of left him for dead.


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[Assistant] Uh, the injury concerns, the move to live. His career was very much uncertain at that point and to reassert himself, even kind of ending flat as he did here, uh, to me, to me was at this point, at least July 23rd, the story of the year in 2023 at the majors whose Brooks kept his re-emergence.


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[Assistant] Last year, he was TA better. Or this year. You can probably say this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I think back to last year in particular, he was the player of the year of the PGA Tour, the FedEx Cup champion, T8 in all four majors and won it and was unable to get one. I mean, you only get.


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[Assistant] For these a year, like we do the punch shot on January 1st where we predict major champions for the year and all of us always say, well, you know, this is the year that Xander is going to take the next leap or Tony Finau.


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[Assistant] Cameron Smith didn't win one. Max Oma just has his first top 10 in a major championship. Jordan Spieth was kind of MIA over the last couple of major championships of the year as well. Scottie doesn't win one.


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[Assistant] Kal Morikawa is now 2 years without a victory, like...


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[Assistant] It's hard. There's four of them. It's the world's best players. You have difficult conditions like you had over these four days at Hoylake.


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[Assistant] Uh, betting on golf, I will never understand it. That's why I don't do it. Uh, but that's why that's what it keeps us coming back, isn't it, Rex? Like you never know what's going to happen. That's why covering these major championships, despite the hassles that they are, and it gives us, um, are such a joy to do because you just never know.


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[Assistant] What's gonna happen? Alright, what's coming up for you over the next couple weeks? The tent, uh, for me at least to focus.


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[Assistant] Heads to Justin Thomas, he has signed up for next week's 3M Open, also expects to play the Wyndham Championship, barring something miraculous this week.


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[Assistant] In Minnesota, I think this is like the worst case scenario for what transpired over the weekend.


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[Assistant] Brian Harmon, gonna be an automatic qualifier for that U.S. team. Cameron Young, although he didn't have a great Sunday, uh, shot 73 while playing in the final group. He's shown some sign of life for first of the deer. Now at the open. Kyle Morikawa, always lurking as one of the best iron players.


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[Assistant] JT, JT's gotta show something here, not just to make the playoffs, but to also make an impression on Captain Johnson.


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[Assistant] And look, there are other avenues, like it's not the be all and end all. If, if Justin Thomas can remain among the top 30, he can still get in there. There's going to be these mini swings between


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[Assistant] We're going to write minis, we're going to write mini swings and stories, just like FedExCup is all one word. Uh, and so the framework agreement.


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[Assistant] But I'm with you. It's the reason why you're covering the first playoff event in Memphis. It's the reason why I'm covering the BMW Championship. It's the reason why we're both going to be at Eastlake. The FedEx Cup playoffs have never been more important. And then, once the playoffs are over, you look at the Ryder Cup, you look at the framework agreement becoming a definitive agreement, potentially.


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[Assistant] And what that all means for the future of the PGA tour. Alright, we're 53 minutes into this podcast, Rex. What is the first thing you're going to eat when you get back on American soil?


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[Assistant] I think, I think he'll do anything. He's at, he's at your beck and call. What would you order?


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[Assistant] Just, just pouring it in there, dousing it. I think that's like Justin Thomas. He's been on this new diet. Uh, it would not surprise me if he just excused the whole diet. Just pounds pizza and just is bathing in ranch dressing at this point. I could see Brian Harmon doing that once he gets back to Georgia.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna take one through eight, please. Uh, for me, thank you for asking. Uh, I'm gonna be queuing up steak night. Uh, that's what my four year old loves most of all. Uh, I think I'll do a nice...


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[Assistant] To a nice ribeye, I love a flat iron steak, underrated cut, uh, look forward to fire up the PK on that one. The countdown of course has resumed.


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[Assistant] Until I'll be getting a hold of my offset scheduled to come between the BMW Championship and the Tour Championship. Something tells me we'll be doing the podcast from my backyard with that beauty sitting behind me. It should be a good week. I'm going to Banff in a couple weeks time, so I'll be enjoying some family time, enjoying some good grub, and packing on the pounds that I, uh,


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[Assistant] Absolutely lost this week. Not just walking the golf course, but starving myself because some of the food was so inedible. Alright.


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[Assistant] Thank you guys for listening to this edition of the golf show podcast with Rex and lab. We appreciate all the listens, all the downloads, all the comments this week for all the mini pods from the entire major championship season, not just this week.


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[Assistant] At Hoylake, make sure you go to golfshale.com for recap of all of our final round coverage. Brian Harmon, go dogs, dogs on top. Better never rest. You love to see it. Go dogs. We'll talk to you next week.


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[Assistant] This edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lab, the U.S. Ryder Cup team.


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[Assistant] Is set, we'll break down the picks, who they are, why they got selected, and of course the fun part.


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[Assistant] Who got snubbed. We'll also talk Victor Hovland, the FedExCup champion and one of the greatest performances of the year. And yes, it's the start of college football season.


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[Assistant] Go dogs. Fantasy football season. Go lav. Uh, and it also means the start of barbecue season formally. More on that.


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[Assistant] In a moment, but first, Rex Zach Johnson, the US captain just finished his press conference live from Frisco, Texas, new home of the PGA of America. Apparently we're still living.


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[Assistant] In the Zoom era, a couple of laughable moments where reporters who were over the age of 60 could not figure out how to take themselves off of mute. What were your reaction to the six American wild-car picks? That is Justin Thomas, Jordan Spieth, Kyle Murakawa, Brooks Koepka, Ricky Fowler, and Sam Burns.


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[Assistant] Those are, those are televised pics and we're hearing stumbling, bumping reporters questions. Can't figure it out. There's always a delay in asking it. Oh, it's, it's, it never ceases to, to humor us.


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[Assistant] Oh, that was, that was just from Julius Mason, PJ Tour, uh, PJ of America moderator. He did not actually get a reporter's question, so he's just sitting there as Jordan Spieth handles them. Justin Thomas is getting grilled about his current form and kind of what the last couple of months have been like as he waited to get a pick.


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[Assistant] In what way? Because Marco Simoni has traditionally favored the best drivers.


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[Assistant] Of the golf ball that week, Cameron Young is a better driver of the golf ball than Sam Burns is Keegan Bradley is a better driver of the golf ball.


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[Assistant] And Sam Burns is Sam Burns is still above average in the PGA tours, 35th and strokes game off the tee. He's, he's.


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[Assistant] I think picked primarily for a couple of reasons, Rex. Obviously he's an elite putter, always has been. He won the match player this year. Easy partnership for Scottie Scheffler, uh, with whom, uh, of course he did go 0-2-1.


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[Assistant] 26, let's call it and 30 who have grown up playing a lot of golf together. They've all been battle tested, whether playing against each other, the PJ tour or in these cup teams, they all have the same hunger and the same mentality.


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[Assistant] Players who are not going to be fazed by the daunting atmosphere and environment that they're going to have when they head over to Rome in Marco Simoni. I think that played a lot into Zach Johnson's picks, even more so than what a statistician might tell you about who's a particularly good course fit for this place.


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[Assistant] This is, this is actually, so this is, this is the Georgia shirt. I know you can't see it particularly well. This is the Georgia shirt that they gave.


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[Assistant] When, uh, when Nike knew that college golf was going to be televised on golf channel. And so they wanted to make sure that you could see them.


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[Assistant] From a couple of fairways over, make sure when they're getting interviewed, that's the only thing that you could see. It was actually the logo on the back as well, uh, is, is quite large, basically like a uniform number.


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[Assistant] That's basically TV parlance, isn't it? For, I mean, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta get to break here. Give us a one word answer. I wasn't going to play ball. I, I had takes and I, and I unloaded my tape.


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[Assistant] So who would you, who would you suggest? Who would you take off? Give me, give me some names because if, if you're saying Lucas Glover.


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[Assistant] I'm not buying it. Lucas Glover a month ago was fighting to keep his PGA tour card. If you're seeing Keegan Bradley, I'm not totally buying it. I wouldn't have been against a Keegan Bradley pick.


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[Assistant] But he also has not played in the Ryder Cup in nine years. He is extremely anxious by nature.


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[Assistant] But listen, I think if you're Zach Johnson, you certainly had some anxious moments, did you not?


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[Assistant] Lucas Glover started the tour championship just five shots off the lead. Kika Bradley started, uh, he was certainly in the mix through 36 holes and then backed up a little bit on the weekend. Had those players gone on to win.


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[Assistant] Maybe it wouldn't have changed Zach Johnson's mind. Maybe he was completely dead set, but that would have been a whole lot more contentious.


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[Assistant] Pairings. Who the other players on the team want to play with. This is their team. If they don't want...


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[Assistant] Going, going forward. However, we're recording this podcast on August 29th. The picks just got made. They don't, first ball's not in the air for exactly one month from now. That is an eternity in golf. To bring you back to Lucas Glover. A month ago. Again.


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[Assistant] So I think that JT will find something, and I also think Lucas Klobler- Why do you think that?


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[Assistant] Because seven, seven weeks, uh, without tournament competition. A wave of competition?


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[Assistant] That's why I'm going to put my faith in a future hall of famer, a 15 time tour winner, a player who prior to this season had finished just worse than 12 just once.


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[Assistant] His team competition record, 16-5 and 3. His presence in the team room. Zach Johnson, he is the heart and soul of this team. Four, the other players.


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[Assistant] Wanted him. Five. Partner play. Jordan Spieth. Their record speaks for itself. When they get to four balls.


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[Assistant] An alternate shot. Is JT going to play all five matches like he typically would? Probably not. Unless he shows up in Napa and wins and shows absolutely baller form. Uh, no, I do not expect him to play all five matches. That does not mean that he will have, that he will not have an impact.


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[Assistant] of these selections. I think it's Sam Burns. I could have been, I could have been swayed.


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[Assistant] For Cameron Young, who's a better driver at the golf ball, I could have been suede Keegan Bradley, uh, who I think is obviously one of the most passionate, uh, members.


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[Assistant] Uh, of the, of the would-be American side. Ultimately, they chose with youth. They chose with match by performance this year. They chose with recent form. Three top 15s in Sam Burns' last four starts. That, that is the pick to me.


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[Assistant] into different players and more times than not, they're incredibly successful in that format. I don't know why we're treating JT.


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[Assistant] Any differently, just because he's an American and not a European. Europe's done this successfully for the past two decades.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think you could throw Ricky in there playing with Justin Thomas or Jordan Spieth potentially as well.


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[Assistant] I mean someone has to fill out the roster. All these guys, all 12 players are ranked inside the top 26 in the world.


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[Assistant] I think you're somehow dismissing the fact that the American team that showed up last fall at Quell Hollow was one of the best teams we've seen as well and yet there was still


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[Assistant] Kind of some transition from that team as well, like Wyndham Clark, breakout year, two-time winner, couldn't the U.S. Open, Brian Harmon.


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[Assistant] Prior to that, you look at Brooks Koepke, his, his career seemingly derailed by injuries last year, seeing what he's done in the major championships. I know what you're setting up here, Rex, and I don't, I don't disagree.


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[Assistant] Nine months ago, but if you look at this American roster, and I know what you're doing here. Look at this American roster. You can pick Nets. You can pick Nets with any of these guys. You really can. Sky Shuffler is probably not going to be given a putt that is inside of a foot and a half. Wyndham Clark played well at Eastlake. This is going to be a


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[Assistant] Who's playing in his first cup competition. Ditto for Brian Harmon, who has kind of tailed off a little bit.


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[Assistant] After the open championship, Patrick Cantlay surprisingly did not win the season. Max Homa, don't know how he's going to do, uh, ball of energy, how he's going to do in a way, Ryder Cup. Xander Shalfley did not win, my player of the year for 2023, uh, did not win. Brooks Koepka, his record is so-so when it comes to Ryder Cup. Jordan Spieth, kind of depends on how JT is going to play. Kyle Morikawa, will he find a partner?


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[Assistant] Uh, who can, who could putt who is not named Dustin Johnson, Sam Burns. He and Scheffler went 02 and one at, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, the President's Cup last year, will he be able to find something? Ricky?


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[Assistant] You've kind of gone over his record, uh, three, seven and five. Uh, that's a lot of half points, but when it comes to Ricky Fowler, like you can, you can talk about all these guys. I don't disagree with your overall premise. I know that's what you're setting up here. You think that Europe's going to win.


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[Assistant] And I think they will as well. If you're the Americans and now you got four or five weeks off and only a handful of them are going to be playing in Napa next week.


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[Assistant] At the start of the FedEx cup fall, I think you have some serious questions when it comes to the Americans and it wouldn't surprise me right now if the futility across the pond extended.


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[Assistant] I mean, Zach Johnson is privy to a whole lot more.


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[Assistant] If the six automatic qualifiers think that they made the team better, and those are the guys who they're going to be going to war with and playing over a three day exhibition at Marco Simone, then the answer is yes. I do not disagree with any


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[Assistant] I think he, I think common sense prevailed. That does not mean I think they are going to win. You have yet to give me the players or the team that you think would give the U.S. Ryder Cup team the best chance at victory.


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[Assistant] You seem to be criticizing the pick, but you have not given me a solution.


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[Assistant] He got a whole lot of points from his major finishes in 2022. Sure.


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[Assistant] Cameron Young has still not won on the PGA Tour. Cameron Young did not qualify for the Tour Championship.


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[Assistant] Fortunately for JT, he's 16-5-3 and immensely popular in the team room and the guys wanted him.


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[Assistant] I think that is, I think that is the best U.S. Ryder Cup team. I do not think, I do not necessarily think it's gonna be good enough to win, but I think that is the best team that Zach Johnson could have made, yes.


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[Assistant] So to be clear, you would put Cameron Young on the team.


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[Assistant] As opposed to Sam Burns and you would put Keegan Bradley on that team as opposed to Justin Thomas. Just to be clear.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying it makes it easier for elements of camaraderie to coalesce naturally.


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[Assistant] If they all like each other, I'm not saying that should be the sole determining factor. I don't think it was in this scenario. I would also completely disagree.


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[Assistant] With your idea that they should get rid of six captain's picks in favor of how they used to do it, whether it's two, three, four, whatever the case may be. This is Zach Johnson's team. He now has the ability with six captain's picks.


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[Assistant] to create the team that he wanted. He could have had a team with the six specs putters. He could have the team with the six best drivers of the golf ball. Apparently you're a statistician.


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[Assistant] But if you went to top, so if you look at the top 12 in the points, I think, I think it is, I think it's obvious. I think it is obvious that the point standings


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[Assistant] Patrick Cantlay or Xander Schauffele did not have a more consistently excellent seasons than Brian Harmon did, and yet they were further down on the point standings. So relying solely on this, including all the points that they're earning from 2022 major championships, which has zero relevance.


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[Assistant] With matches that are going to be played in September 2023, uh, to me, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So relying on that basically just to get there. They're kind of the no brainers. I would think, right? Like you're going to have Scotty. He's the world number one. You're going to have.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're going to have Xander Schauffle. You're going to have Patrick Cantlay. You're going to have those types of players, Max Homa, uh, who was a multiple time winner during this PGA Tour season. But relying solely on that, or I guess more heavily,


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[Assistant] And taking automatic picks, I don't like it, particularly the way that the points are structured right now.


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[Assistant] No, if I, if I had my way, I would have all 12 captain's picks. I wouldn't even use it. No captain wants that.


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[Assistant] I know, but I'm saying in past years, we've also seen captains who would just go straight down the top 12 and say these are the, these are the 12 that we have. In that case, Cameron Young.


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[Assistant] I mean, his, his rep is on the line. He will be hailed as a hero, as a, as a phenomenal leader of men in the same vein as Paul Aizinger if the Americans end this three-decade drought. If he doesn't, of course, he's gonna be a second guest to death on podcasts just like this one. So let him form the team that he wants. Don't necessarily hamstring him by some, uh, kind of point system that an AI bot


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[Assistant] Created for him. I think that's just kind of the point that I'm making there. Alright, we've spent 35 minutes.


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[Assistant] Breakdown Luke Donald's picks. He'll be making them Monday on Labor Day. Rex, you want to ruin your Labor Day?


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[Assistant] From Vienna to Valdosta and then back to Marco Simoni. Uh, yes, we're gonna be waiting until Tuesday to break those.


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[Assistant] You know, I agree with you. No, no one's gonna be interrupting their barbecue to hear what we have and we probably can't even get the podcast cut, but that's a different story. Uh, Rex, how about the FedExCup championship? Uh, we were both on site at Eastlake for the tour champion. Had to run out there!


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[Assistant] Not gonna lie, had to run out of town a little bit quicker than anticipated. CBS despite seeing strong storms.


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[Assistant] Uh, on the forecast, very clear, uh, from 3 to 6 PM, that that was in the forecast, still had the TTF times, there was a 2 hour delay, uh, we did not have the mini pod. We did not get lit up in the mentions, saying, hey, where's the mini pod this week? Yeah, that's true. No one's actually listening to this, uh, but we had to rush through, we had to rush through our site next month.


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[Assistant] Especially with Victor Hovland up at one point.


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[Assistant] By seven shots. As he went on Sunday. I think it eventually became more captivating. I'm not sure how many TVs had already clicked off by that point. And just to put a fine point, Rex.


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[Assistant] On that TSA issue. In what world does the busiest airport in the world


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[Assistant] Absolute lunacy, there was madness, there was crying, there was yelling.


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[Assistant] Near riding the security line, you know, to get your ID and scan your boarding pass. Those folks started to go home because they're like, ah, 10 o'clock.


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[Assistant] That's the time I'm checking out. I did my two to ten shift and out we go. Regardless, regardless of the pandemonium that's happening. Could not believe what I was, could not believe what I was seeing. Apparently, apparently, uh, there is a roundabout way that you can get it. You can go through the international terminal.


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[Assistant] Similarly time and then we're back at it yesterday for our golf today hit. However, we did cover the tour championship.


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[Assistant] And Victor Hovland is now the FedExCup champion. Back-to-back BMW championship. Shot the 61 on Sunday. This is Steve Lotaito from Scottie Scheffler. And then this was an absolute tour de force. I mean, 36 under par over his last two weeks. Shot 63.


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[Assistant] To deny Zander Schauffele, who shot 62. In any normal circumstance, Zander Schauffele may have won that golf tournament. Instead, he only narrowly cut his deficit from six shots.


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[Assistant] To five shots. What a performance by Victor Hovland. What a player. What a guy. What was your takeaway from Eastlake?


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[Assistant] It has been an amazing tournament. He may not be the best, but he was 20th best around the green since the PJ Championship.


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[Assistant] In May, once the kind of technique changes with Joe Mayo have bedded in.


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[Assistant] Victor Hovland's short game has been remarkable. You mentioned the story I wrote for golfchannel.com now and nbcsports.com slash golf new look. Make sure you guys check that out as well. I think it's, I think it's easy to say, Oh, Victor Hovland fixed his short game. All of a sudden he elevated even more and became, uh, this, this great champion. And look, that's obviously.


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[Assistant] More aspects and what have gone onto this. Obviously physically, like when he was in Oklahoma State, he was a little bit of a chubby teenager. Now he's one of the most fit players on the PGA Tour. A lot of changes were strategic. Eduardo Molinari, former European Tour winner, brother, of course, of Francesco is kind of this, uh,


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[Assistant] Stats guru, course management guru, uh, he's been helping Victor, who is an incredibly aggressive player, not short side himself as often and kind of maximize some of those green light


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[Assistant] Opportunities mentally, you know, he seems to kind of always have.


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[Assistant] That, that if it's not a permagrin, uh, he's at least very stoic, uh, but he can tend to be very hard on himself. He's obviously an incredibly, uh, relentless worker. Uh, and so that part has been, uh, kind of reduced as well. And then I got into the technical changes, not just what he's done, uh, with the short game, but also getting back to that bullet fade, which I think you and I would both love to hit where you aim right, come a little bit over the top.


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[Assistant] And just hit that squeezer that still goes 320. I think the most exciting part about Victor Hovland, he turns 26.


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[Assistant] Next month it seems like he's just getting better as he is done so each and every year and this was such a big year for him because he's had a lot of.


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[Assistant] Close calls in major championships where he did not play well on Sunday. He had a reputation for just winning on sort of these defenseless resort courses where 19 under par or more.


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[Assistant] Uh, for Victor Hovland, well deserved, and the aerial, I think even more excitingly, continues to point upward for him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like all those dogs are going to be playing four or five matches. They're just going to run them into the ground.


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[Assistant] We'll get to the dogs in just a moment. I do think it's interesting.


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[Assistant] I asked Rory about this on Sunday and he kinda poo-pooed it and said it's the Ryder Cup. You're gonna get up for it anyway. But most of the Americans now have four or five weeks off. The potential for competitive Russ to accumulate is there. That's not gonna be the case.


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[Assistant] Into this incredibly important stretch if you're a european robber cupper and then


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[Assistant] And then you can take most of the next three months off, say for the DP World Tour Championship in mid November. So I think that's going to be an interesting angle to get into. All right, Rex, as I mentioned, this is the first week.


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[Assistant] Okay, they're playing Tennessee Martin on Saturday. I'll also watch probably just for a quarter or two and then I'll turn my attention to North Carolina, South Carolina on Sunday. Of course, LSU versus Florida State. I believe you're a Florida State fan. I may be misstating that, but that's the game we'll watch on Sunday. What is on?


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[Assistant] Yeah, the latest modeling shows it making landfall east of Apolochicola, I believe is how you pronounce it. Basically in like the Big Bend of Florida. Right now we're on the very right side of the cone of uncertainty, uh, even if it continues to track westward as it appears it is doing so in all the latest modelings. We're just going to get kind of the dirty side of the hurricane. And so,


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[Assistant] Are we gonna get an increased threat of tornadoes? Yes. Are we gonna get massive flooding concerns? Probably not, at least in St. John's County where I am. But we'll look, we'll probably get some tropical storm conditions. We'll get gusts of 60. Daycare's closed on Wednesday. Cam and I, I've already taken out his Gore-Tex. I've already taken out his rain boots.


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[Assistant] We're gonna go out and fight the storm. We're gonna go protect the neighborhood, uh, make sure the community is being safe and heeding all of the, uh, local warnings from the local authorities. So it's gonna be a big day.


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[Assistant] Over at the Lavner household on Wednesday. So hunkering down, no.


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[Assistant] Excited to see what sort of havoc can be wreaked? Uh, yes, most certainly.


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[Assistant] I have a lot of passions. I have a lot of passions for barbecue, a lot of passions for weather, a lot of passions for fancy football, which, look, we had our, we had our NBC sports draft


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[Assistant] On Monday evening, uh, I had the one pick. I hate that pick. I hate that pick. I mean, you're, you're literally waiting there for 15 minutes.


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[Assistant] Before you get in, I took Justin Jefferson if you're wondering with that 1.01 spot.


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[Assistant] Despite being in that plush position, I've never seen someone who did so little, apparently.


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[Assistant] With so much. Aaron Rodgers is your quarterback. There were so many other great options on the board.


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[Assistant] And yet you took Aaron Rodgers, also have, also have no interest in DeAndre Hopkins, have no interest in James Connor who plays for the Cardinals, gonna be an absolute dumpster fire as they tank to try and get Caleb Williams, uh, assuming that Caleb Williams actually wants to come out of Southern Carpenter's junior years and play for the Cardinals for an absolute dumpster fire at this time. Defend yourself!


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[Assistant] Because there's a whole lot to not like about this squad. Including Rashad Bateman. Rashad Bateman! You're showing Rashad Bateman in your flex.


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[Assistant] Although any reasonable person would look at my roster and say that's absolutely stacked. Kobe, who was on our, uh, webdesk, playing under the name 2000Tiger, uh, to me, his team certainly resembles that.


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[Assistant] Of one, Eldrick Woods, absolutely loaded. I don't understand some of these decisions you have made. It actually makes me quite excited for the Hogger family league that I've been invited to, uh, oh, so generously that we'll be drafting next week. I can't wait to see what you do because right now my competition does not appear fierce.


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[Assistant] Yes, that was a good start. And then somehow it just fell off a cliff.


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[Assistant] That's not necessarily going to translate to fantasy stats, has never, Kirk Cousins has never had a top 8 finish.


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[Assistant] As a fantasy quarterback. Good real life quarterback. Not great.


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[Assistant] Fancy quarterback, Rashad Bateman. I have no idea what you're doing there. You don't even have a particularly good option that you could sub out Rashad Bateman for. Quentin Johnston. Uh, I, I liked him, uh, coming out of TCU. Uh, you at least need to give him to the back half of the season to get going. You did not, you did not actually say, Rekt, you did not actually say what you're going to be cooking on Labor Day. This is one of the great barbecue holidays, great barbecue weekends of the entire year.


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[Assistant] Tragic. At least just roll it out in the driveway. Do something. This is a great, uh, barbecue. Thank you for asking what I'm doing. Uh, Hayden Reynolds is actually gonna play some golf for the first time in months. It'll particularly be a very poor golf. And then I'm doing chicken wings on the Weber Smokey Mountain. Uh, you love, you love having that top rack shelf just like your, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, pit barrel, the fat renders out, drips in the coals, flavors the meat. It should be delicious. Also grill off some pork tenderloin, which is an underrated, I believe an underrated football snack. Finger foods, always a crowd pleaser. And then my in-laws have ordered


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[Assistant] Like lobster tails from some company in Maine or lobster rolls. I'm not sure if they're lobster tails or lobster rolls. I'm kinda hoping they're lobster tails. I'm assuming they're lobster rolls. That will be, uh, consumed for lunch with possible leftovers.


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[Assistant] Once the games get going, once the good games get going, as I know, quite an extravagant lunch that I'm looking forward to. To Americas.


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[Assistant] It really is. It really is. Uhm, that's gonna do it for this edition. Golf Channel podcast with Rex and Lab. Make sure you check out golfchannel.com, which will now redirect.


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[Assistant] To mbcsports.com slash golf. Same golfchannel.com. Just a new look. We'll be doing the exact same thing. Do not panic. We'll still be doing all of our written content, podcast, videos. I have a 1500 word news story up on the website right now that you can get to. We'll actually be writing a column later today on


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome to this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lab and what a day one at the US Open that was. It certainly felt more like the old LA Open. Rex, you would certainly remember that. A pair of 62s in the long history.


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[Assistant] of golf major championships. There's been just a single 62. It was shot by Brandon Grace six years ago at Birkdale today. There was not one.


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[Assistant] But two, and Ricky Fowler and Zander Schauffele turned them in.


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[Assistant] Basically 22 minutes apart. It was an unbelievable day of scoring at Los Angeles Country Club. Rex, how do you feel after day one at LACC, Ricky and Xander leading the way by two shots over Wyndham Clark and Dustin Johnson?


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[Assistant] Do you think the winning score is lower, deeper, further under par than we are right now?


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[Assistant] Is USJ gonna just drop anchor on this championship and have the winning score at 8 under par, which is the winning score that you and I believe both, uh, predicted for this championship. I mean, obviously, I don't think anyone saw.


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[Assistant] 62, I don't care if it was drizzling this morning. I don't care if it was overcast. It took some of the fire out of the greens. I don't care if some of the.


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[Assistant] The T's removed up, I don't care if some of the pins were accessible, like no one, no one saw a 62.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so, I still believe, Rex, we're looking at a winning score at this championship that's somewhere between 8 and 10. Which...


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[Assistant] If you look at recent history, like, that's not outrageous. I think back to Pebble Beach 2019.


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[Assistant] There was a lot of fear that that was going to get out of control. They're going to have to trick it up. 13 under par 1. No one talked about how easy it was. No one talked about how it wasn't, uh, your grandfather's US Open. Like that was a great test of golf. This is still a great test of golf. You mentioned the scoring disparity. Like there was the 262s. The third lowest score, I guess, among the warning was 67.


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[Assistant] On day one, and I still think there is the potential, whether you tip out some T-boxes, whether you, uh, cut some interesting hole locations.


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[Assistant] If the, if the greens get like, they're gonna deprive this golf course of, of water and oxygen. Like it's going, it's going to be very crispy by the time the weekend rolls around. And that's, and that's exactly what you want to see. I'm not, I'm not concerned whatsoever.


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[Assistant] I think it's just a score book, of course. Like honestly, like there's, there are drivable par fours, there are, I think we counted them yesterday, like seven or eight in which you're going to be hitting a wedge.


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[Assistant] And so if you, if you have receptive greens, like there was a little bit of a, a gloom this morning, it was overcast the entire day. Like there's, there's still a lot of moisture that is in that golf course. And so when you have that factor, when you have wedges and when you don't have any wind, and so 43 yard wide fairways are essentially playing


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[Assistant] These are the best plays in the world. Like, of course they're gonna tear it up. This is not an overly difficult golf course.


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[Assistant] In the right condition, which the USJ should be able to control that over the next three days, you can certainly get it there, uh, to where it's a, it's, it's all these guys can possibly handle.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like we're recording this, the first round is not yet complete, the scoring average is 71.3, so like 1.3 strokes over par, like it was a historic day for scoring at the US Open, but the story that I wrote


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[Assistant] On golfshale.com on Thursday night is this was great. It was a lot of fun.


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[Assistant] It was history made and everyone is now girding themselves for what's to come over the remaining 54 holes. Xander Chauflay, uh, who shot the historic 62 said, quote, you just wait until this place firms up.


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[Assistant] It's going to be nasty. Let's start Rex with who you wrote.


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[Assistant] On Thursday night, that was one Ricky Fowler back from the depths. I remember last year at the country club. He was the odd man out. He waited around all day on the range as the first alternate never got in. You flash forward now, 52 weeks guys back inside the top 50 in the world.


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[Assistant] He's more from a below average ball striker to now one of the very best on the PGA Tour. What was your angle, uh, with, with young Ricky Fowler, uh, who is no longer quite as young as he used to be?


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[Assistant] I mean, his ball striking stats have never been better.


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[Assistant] Like he's been a great player. He's been a great player on the PJ tour. He's had top fives in all four majors in one year back in that great year in 2014. He's won a player's championship, but never has he struck the ball statistically better than he is right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there was people certainly a year ago, a year and a half ago who thought he was absolutely toast. That he didn't have the motivation, he didn't have the work ethic to get back, his putting was too far gone.


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[Assistant] Uhm, his swing, he wasn't gonna get back with Butch, whatever the case may be. They thought that he was absolutely toast. And so to see him, I think you're exactly right, has to be super rewarding. And there's still so much for him to achieve to make sure he gets all the way back. First time, uh, he has really been in the mix in a major in four years. A guy who he's now tied with


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[Assistant] The one time, the one time I didn't do it, he puts himself in the, he puts himself in the history books, uh, alongside Ricky Fowler with a 62, Xander Chauvelet, no surprise whatsoever. One of the most consistent players on the PGA Tour, uh, currently has the longest


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[Assistant] Active made cut streak on the PGA tour. He's, I think he's really flown on the radar this year, has not had an individual title, has just kind of been.


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[Assistant] Kind of lurking, right? He's kind of living in that 5th place to 20th place, uh, to see him, uh, shoot 62.


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[Assistant] The US Open wasn't surprised to see him leading the US Open.


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[Assistant] Not a surprise at all. Six consecutive top 14 finishes.


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[Assistant] In our national championship, what are your thoughts on Rick, uh, excuse me, Xander, who now finds himself in the mix at a major yet again?


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[Assistant] But I texted my, I texted my buddy last night. He said, give me three picks. Give me three picks.


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[Assistant] For the US Open, I said Xander, I said Brooks, oops, shot one over par, and I said Scottie, who shot 67, will certainly get Scottie here shortly.


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[Assistant] Do you think, Rex, this is the 50 year anniversary of Johnny Miller's famed 63 at Oakmont. Do you think that this...


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[Assistant] Historic day is going to be devalued.


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[Assistant] In any way, like, I don't think anyone views Brandon Grace's 62 at Berkdale six years ago in the same vein as that Johnny Miller round, right? Like, I think just, just in,


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[Assistant] In terms of strokes gained in relation to the rest of the field, the benign conditions that day. Do you feel like we're bound to see Rickys and Zanders kind of fall in that same vein?


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[Assistant] When you start getting that 8, 9, 10 territory, like you've done something exceptional.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think you're probably right. I mean, like, Ricky made 10 birdies. Like, he shot 62, he shot the lowest round in US Open history, at least for 22 minutes.


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[Assistant] With ten birdies and two bogeys. Like that's just an exceptional round of golf. It is the first time in US Open history that there have been six rounds of 65 or lower. Like it was a, it was a gettable day for scoring and those guys just happened to do it better than anyone else. I don't think there's necessarily a reason to not come.


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[Assistant] John Bodenhammer was weeping and then he'll be giving a dissertation to someone, uh, on... I'm not the expert.


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[Assistant] How much time you got? Uh, what else stood out to you? Give me one big storyline that you're drawing from this day one leaderboard.


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[Assistant] We were getting dangerously close, Rex, to how we were kind of treating and talking and listening to John Rahm.


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[Assistant] A year ago, last spring, there was so much talk. John Rahm was driving the ball exceptionally well. Uh, he'd really made some, uh, immense strides with his ball striking. Yet you looked at his work on and around the greens was the worst it had ever been. And there was, there, there started to be a defensiveness.


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[Assistant] In John Rahm's tone a year ago, when you, I'm like.


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[Assistant] If you put yourself in the athlete's shoes, it has to be


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[Assistant] Psychoaches, like, to hear that over and over again cannot be healthy, uh, for your mentality. And so, when you shoot...


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[Assistant] That have just plagued him and derailed all of his momentum over his past couple of starts. I mean, it was, it was really bad. Like we're talking like minus eight strokes gained. I think overall he'd lost like 20 over his past couple of starts. So I thought this was a huge step for Scottie Scheffler. I still feel very confident in him turning into 67 here, five shots back. Uh, when the, when these conditions get more difficult,


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[Assistant] When the bet, that's what the best ball strikers want is, is to really get this, uh, place baked out and kind of accentuate their ball striking gifts. Like I think Scottie Shuffler is going to be right there. I want to touch on Rory. Uh, I don't believe either of us gave him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, certainly had some Sunday scar tissue. When I talked to him on Tuesday, I think it was the day that he canceled.


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[Assistant] His press conference, he said he felt like he was building towards something.


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[Assistant] Right, like he kinda made an excuse from Memorial, he said, well, if I didn't make the pun on Saturday night.


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[Assistant] I would have teed off about 90 minutes earlier. I think the conditions would have been easier on Sunday. In Canada, he said, well, I just didn't adjust to the slower greens, uh, and that kind of, uh, slowed any sort of surge that I could have had.


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[Assistant] On the final day, I do think he's showing some serious signs of progress with his ball striking. Missed just two greens in the opening round here at LACC. One of them


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[Assistant] However came on the 18th hole. He only had 165 yards. Tried to hit like a sawed off shot. Just hung up on the collar there. It was very, very thick rough. Looked like he was going for the hero shot, Rex. Like a little, little flip, uh, flop.


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[Assistant] Has never won a tournament in which single digits under par was the winning score.


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[Assistant] That should actually help him. If the winning score is going to be double digits. If the winning score at this US Open is double digits under par, I feel a lot better about Roy McRoy's chances. However, if they really tighten the screws on Thursday night and Friday morning and make this golf course a little bit of a torture chamber here for the second round, which I'm still a little skeptical, Rex, like you still have 156 guys.


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[Assistant] The middle to bottom half of this field is not strong. It's filled with qualifiers, uh, and people who quite frankly don't really have business contending in a major championship. Like you still have to make it somewhat feasible for these guys to get around. I don't think the torture is going to come on Friday. I do think it'll be slightly more difficult, but not quite there.


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[Assistant] If, if it's single-digit underbar, I think he still, I think he still has a lot to prove. Uh, but Thursday was a good start. What's one thing, Rex, uh, as we button up this mini pod here at the USO, but what's one thing you're looking forward to seeing on Friday?


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[Assistant] Uh, Brooks Koepke had a really tough start. Was three over par early. Actually did well, I think, to turn in 71. He'll be heading out. Uh, Brooks Koepke will on Friday morning with fresh greens. Curious to see what he can do. I think if you're Brooks Koepke, the last thing you wanted to see was 62 winning this golf.


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[Assistant] Winning this golf tournament on Thursday morning. He said it himself. He has not built for shootouts. He has not built for


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[Assistant] Uh, tournaments in which 65 is kinda gonna be keeping pace with the rest of the contenders. Can he dial it up?


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[Assistant] On Friday. And shoot that 6566 that he's going to need to really give himself a chance. Uh, that is kind of what I'm looking forward to seeing most on Friday. Anything before we go?


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[Assistant] Yep, I think that says a lot about the players and where they are at their point in their major championship.


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[Assistant] All right, that's going to do it for this edition of the golf channel podcast with Rex and laugh and mini pot, which will bring into you each and every round.


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[Assistant] of this US Open. Make sure you guys go to golfchannel.com for all of our news, notes, features, analysis. Make sure you check out Rex on Golf Shows Live From. He and I may or may not be together over the weekend. Still of course waiting for that notification. But thank you guys for listening. We'll talk to you on Friday night.


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[Assistant] I mean, John Rahm shocked me. We talked about this I think on the podcast earlier this week. When we picked favorites, it was Scotty or John. You were just kind of splitting hairs when you distinguished between one or the other because there was nothing about their games that would have suggested that they wouldn't be.


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[Assistant] For only hitting two fairways, he did excellent. I'll take it one step further. If you're only hitting two fairways and you should only shoot one over par, it's pretty shocking. He did reveal after his round, he's been fighting an illness, he hopes to get over that over the next...


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[Assistant] Would be Bryson DeChambeau. I picked Dustin Johnson. I think we both had to pick what we thought was who we thought was going to be the low lip player. I went with Dustin Johnson. I think he went with Brooks.


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[Assistant] I did not expect Bryson DeChambeau to do this. And it has nothing to do with him playing live. It has nothing to do with him only playing 54 holes. It has everything to do with, he really hasn't done anything.


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[Assistant] Uh, really even before he joined LivGolf, he was dealing with injuries, he was dealing with clearly some medical issues, being uh, overweight apparently was the issue. Who knew? In that particular context, he was dealing with some food injuries.


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[Assistant] I would agree with that. It's an easy speed. And we saw it today, which certainly, I think you go back to those brawny days. It looked like he was trying to blaze in the ball. What do you got there? What you sipping on there, pal? Anything? Nothing. What you got? Nothing. Nope.


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[Assistant] I will say this though, and this kind of goes to the idea, I think you and I talked about it, after covering the Lib-Golf finale last year at Doral, and then again just a few weeks ago in Orlando when they played at Orange County National, I came away with a couple of ideas, but the one that really stuck with me is no one misses it more than Bryson.


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[Assistant] In between he was going from the chipping green to the putting green and normally over the years and you can attest to this when you would approach Bryson you would always try to wait for him to be finished up because he took his work seriously or at least I always tried.


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[Assistant] On this, what I'm saying is the level of attention that he got, not just on the PGA Tour, but when he was competing, like he is right now, in a major championship, I think this has just re-vigorated him.


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[Assistant] I don't want to pick this apart because you made a lot of good points in that rambling diatribe of yours that you just, uh,


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[Assistant] Just kind of stumbled through right there, but I will say that no, he's not an artist. He's very much a scientist. He's a show-off.


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[Assistant] I will go that far. Like he loves standing on the tea box and feeling the energy, feeling the vibe.


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[Assistant] It's always been the math. This isn't about art. And we can sit here and argue about this. I mean, I think it's obvious.


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[Assistant] He wanted to boil the game down to 1s and 0s.


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[Assistant] Is essentially what he wanted to do. He wanted to make it binary. I guess is what we're talking about here because I, I really, I truly believe that he in his mind in that very, very


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[Assistant] In depth and, and I mean, sometimes twisted mind of his. He wanted to, to perfect the game and in his mind, and I'm sure he still can.


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[Assistant] Come up with ways to continue to perfect the game. That's what he was going for when he put on all the bulk and he was just trying to, I remember asking Xander Shafle when he won the open at Wingfoot.


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[Assistant] I was taken by the idea that this is the same player who at the Masters led the field in ball striking. No one hit the ball better than he did at Augusta National and was dead last in the field in putting 53rd out of 53 players who made the cut and he has gone from that.


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[Assistant] To where he was today. He's kinda middle of the pack, but he is gaining strokes and strokes gain putting and he made just some key putts coming down the stretch. He was bogey free, just one of five rounds.


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[Assistant] No, the round's not over, but just one of five rounds without any bogeys. And I called Randy to see.


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[Assistant] You know, how do you do that? How do you get from Augusta to here and not lose any confidence and not try to rebuild anything? And the answer is very, very easily.


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[Assistant] Apparently if you're Scottie Scheffler, Randy said they haven't changed much. He said he tries to get Scottie to move away from the ball a little bit. He said he's, you know, he's a big tall guy and he needs to give himself a little bit room and let his hands and his arms swing a little bit. And he said, we started to see that a little bit better, but the biggest deal was Scottie just got mad. I think the word that Randy used was pissy.


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[Assistant] And he said he takes a lot of pride. And he said him putting to him is personal. And he, he decided after that, that I'm going to turn this around on my own. And he dug in. And if you look all the way from Hilton Head, where he played, all the way through the Byron Nelson and certainly through the fourth round here.


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[Assistant] It's been unbelievable and his putting has just improved with every single round. And so to me, you sort of have that perfect, you know, you see why he's such a good golfer.


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[Assistant] That a lot of guys in that situation might panic, they might try something new, they might switch putters, whatever the case they may be.


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[Assistant] The only thing he did was get mad. He got pissy. And I think it's amazing that he was able to travel all that distance based on that one emotion.


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[Assistant] Uh, it is a quote. Maybe if I throw quote marks around it, cause I did that in my story.


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[Assistant] When the wind comes up, Bryson hit a lot of fairways today, and I don't know if that formula holds out. It could, because again, we don't know, this goes back to what we talked about at the Masters. We really don't know what we're going to get out of the Lib players. It could, but I think that's going to be the deciding factor. Due back to Scottie's round, Randy Smith described it perfectly. He said it was a perfectly boring major championship round of golf. No bogeys, three birdies.


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[Assistant] Was never really stressed out. There was a couple of keep, you know, four footers per part coming down the stretch. He said that's as stressful as it got. And that's exactly what you want in this situation.


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[Assistant] It's gonna get harder and I'd love the combination of names we have at the top. Certainly Scotty Scheffler. And there is, we talked about the surprise that there's no John Rahm or Xander or JT or, or Jordan, but.


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[Assistant] You have sort of, eh, we talked about this at the Masters.


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[Assistant] And the idea that the live players are going to show up at these majors and be competitive like they are right now, like they were at Augusta National. It's only going to add sort of that edge and it's not there. Like I think in a lot of ways we're, we're manufacturing this in our own minds and I'm not even talking about the media. I just think fans in general.


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[Assistant] Look at one side and the other side and think, oh, this is juicy. This is absolutely glorious. And I, that's what you have right now with Scottie Scheffler and Bryson DeChambeau and Dustin Johnson and Adam Scott. Like which side is going to come out? It's a narrative that we've never had in golf and I find it fascinating.


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[Assistant] Well I'll say, I'll kind of commend them for it too. You know, for mine, and we'll get to it in a second, I'm kind of being a little bit more pessimistic.


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[Assistant] For the sake of them changing this kickoff rule, I like that they're being so aggressive and I would say proactive.


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[Assistant] On the most previous podcast that the kickoff just became such a ceremonial nothing play where you're going to the bathroom, you're still getting your beer, you're grabbing your food, you're doing whatever, but paying attention to football.


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[Assistant] Now you actually need to go sit down because something could happen, or at least that's what they're hoping.


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[Assistant] It'll be a more meaningful play in a game. And so to me, I commend them for doing this and being proactive and being as aggressive as they are.


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[Assistant] On the NFL calendar, they said way back when or, you know, last year or whatever that they weren't going to do it. They weren't going to have a Christmas day game, whether it was in the middle of the week, only if it was a special circumstance or it landed on a.


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[Assistant] Well, Christmas is on a Wednesday this year, and guess what the NFL is doing? They're playing a game on a Wednesday.


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[Assistant] So they're playing two games actually in Princeton, right? They're playing two games. So not only get one, you get a double header. It just goes to show you that they found something here. They feel like this is a window for them to really get a lot of viewership and rightfully so it's going to be, but to me,


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[Assistant] You know, it's just going forward. We're working on Christmas, fellas. You know, I look at it selfishly. I'm like, hey, alright, we're working on Christmas. But yes, going forward, NFL, Christmas, it's forever going to be a thing.


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[Assistant] Right, so I have it in front of me. This is, uh, Field Yates tweeted it out, uh, when it was all coming out. December 25th NFL game, December 26th NFL game, December 28th NFL game, December 29th NFL game, December 30th NFL game, and then the next two days, college football playoffs. A lot of football.


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[Assistant] Don't love the quarterback at three or do you think they'll stick? I think it's generally lying season. I think they're taking a quarterback. I think they're, I think, I think it'll end up being born and sticking at three.


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[Assistant] Is, is this giving you any like, Will Levis vibes from last year? Where, cause the betting odds for Will Levis was like, he was going number two, he got skyrocketed the day of the draft, and then the dude fell to the second round. Is, is J.J. McCarthy, I mean, obviously we think he's a better prospect than, than Will Levis, but is,


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[Assistant] Is this kind of pumping of the tires similar in that regard of teams just kind of lying and boosting value?


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[Assistant] I think it's just one of these situations where it's at a standstill and it's a basic non-answer. And when I say standstill, just kind of a longer process because Breach, I'm pretty sure you wrote about this too. Like wasn't it that he was basically getting it at a great deal and it was under market value of what did he be getting into? So that's probably why NFL owners are a little bit


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[Assistant] Apprehensive to say the least about him possibly jumping on as a minority owner of the Raiders.


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[Assistant] Right, I was just gonna say, no, real quick Princeton, is that yes, I think it has more to do with television than it does, like I know that some people will automatically be like, well he could come back, he could quarterback for the team.


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[Assistant] I think it has much more to do with broadcasting and financial value of a franchise than it does any possibility of him coming back to play. I don't think that's really on the cards.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but, but was he really, is he, is it him and Burkhardt just in the booth like every day just grinding? Like I don't think that that's happening. No, probably not. Like I, I think it's gonna be very interesting to see him be critical of any one of these players. You know, I just think of Patrick Mahomes. Like if he's doing a Patrick Mahomes game,


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[Assistant] But that's, but that's macro. Like that's a very like, back in my day, kids, we would do this. I'm talking about, that's a bad throw by Patrick Mahomes. He shouldn't have done this. It just, that type of thing. I don't, I haven't seen him do it. Yes, exactly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm all for growing football, growing the NFL because as you mentioned Brinson, that only helps us, right? Like that's, that's money in our pockets. But I will say this, you know, when we start to go into these different markets and we're putting these marquee games on, I mean, this is again, this is an initial game right out of the gate in the NFL season.


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[Assistant] You're all, you're pigeonholing yourself in a couple of different ways when you sometimes go abroad. And then when you go a step further and put it on a streaming service, you're just really limiting the amount of people that can watch this.


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[Assistant] Relatively excited to see Shohei Otani in a Dodgers uniform. You have to wake up at like 5 in the morning East Coast time.


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[Assistant] That's, you gotta be very careful if you're starting to do these international games in terms of time zones. But overall, this is gonna help the game immensely.


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[Assistant] But, but I do think you're right, Princeton. Like if the Mowers go up to, uh, Roger Goodall and be like, Hey, so what was the deal with that? With our star running back, Saquon Barkley immediately go into our division rival. I don't know. I haven't looked into it yet.


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[Assistant] Also, they're hard at work immediately, like you said Breach, both players basically had already admitted to it publicly during press conferences.


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[Assistant] And we're assuming obviously they play out this year and he leaves in pre-agency and that's where they go sign. Gino Smith, that would correlate pretty well with his contract. I think they could clear like $25 million right out of the gate by moving on from him after this season. Couldn't do it this season.


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[Assistant] But if all of a sudden he kind of takes a step back in 2024, this isn't a roster that you want to rebuild with. I mean, they have DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, Jackson 5th and Jigba. They have deep players on defense that really could contend with stable quarterback play.


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[Assistant] You just pick and drop Dak Prescott in there, I think that they'd be competitive.


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[Assistant] I agree with you that I do like the interior lineman signings. Whatever you can do, as I've said before, to help Bryce Young take a step and get everything back on track in year two. I don't care what the record is, as long as that helps.


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[Assistant] They have been getting killed and what better way to give yourself good press is to then fill a need with somebody that you obviously lost in Brian Burns with a dude who's beloved in the home area. I mean like that.


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[Assistant] could have, couldn't have been in any better type of headline the parent Carolina Panthers could have had to bring back like one of the best Gamecocks of all time, number seven retired, like all that, like, I mean, that's an easy win for them.


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[Assistant] As you note, if they get Trinavius White, like the actual Trinavius White,


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[Assistant] I mean, I know that it's totally different, but you lose Aaron Donald, and if you can insert an all-pro corner into that defense, I mean, that is in a kind of a roundabout way, quite the way to land on your feet.


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[Assistant] Right, I don't know if Patterson will even have that type of buzz to even, you know, have that conversation, but neither here nor there.


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[Assistant] That's true, you never know. He'll be the one, you know, just really campaign informed. Again, almost like reverse, uh, cold take himself, freezing cold take himself. You just lead into it.


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[Assistant] But I think that this is, uh, you know, obviously a good move for them on a couple of different fronts. Obviously they're changing the rules. I guess the biggest question is, you know, he's one of the best kick returners of his recent generation, but I don't know, does it still factor in with these new rules? Like yes. Okay. Under the, under the old parameters. Sure. Yeah, no great special teams returner to bring in, but


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[Assistant] Is his skill set, is where he is at in his career, is that conducive to these new rules? We just simply don't know yet.


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[Assistant] And I'm correct, you can pull, I mean, you have to stay, you know, five and five on the 35, but you can also pull after they land in the landing zone, right?


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[Assistant] You guys watch In Season Hard Knocks? I saw a few episodes of the Dolphins last year.


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[Assistant] I think it probably makes it a little bit more palatable for the teams that are actually being covered. Like, I'm sure you're still gonna get a lot of, you know, cameramen and all these people running through your locker room and you're gonna hate it regardless, but I do think that because they're covering four teams,


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[Assistant] So, I think that's probably why they're trying to do it, and also I do think it'll make it-


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[Assistant] Joke with HBO? I did, I actually just pulled that out of nowhere. So hey, maybe that's just somewhere back there.


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[Assistant] But in terms of the t- the division, I should say that I would probably target if I were max.


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[Assistant] Uh, it would be the NFC North. I think that that division has so much intrigue this upcoming season.


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[Assistant] All across the board, Chicago starting over with Caleb Williams. How's he doing during his rookie year? Number one overall pick. Obviously they've, you know, revamped a lot of what they've done. Green Bay story franchise. They had a pop year in 2023. How's Jordan Love doing? How's Matt LaFleur doing? You go to Detroit.


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[Assistant] Clearly the team of the, you know, the darling last year, they're trying to get to a Super Bowl. And then you have the Minnesota Vikings trying to figure it out post Kirk Cousins. Who knows? Maybe there's a top five draft pick there as well. So.


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[Assistant] I think there's a lot of storylines that you could watch and it ranges from a team that could be bringing in a young quarterback to two possible playoff teams in the Packers and the Lions. I think that'd be fascinating.


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[Assistant] They could be the number one seed for all we know. You know what I mean? Like they could be in that conversation. I will say Breach, anytime we can get more James Winston on TV, I'm in.


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[Assistant] Whatever these other teams are going to do at quarterback, like, like I was saying earlier, you could conceivably have two top 10 quarterbacks in that conversation as well. So you'd have like both ends of the spectrum. I think it'd be great.


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[Assistant] I am fully anticipating it being a scene from Good Will Hunting where Breach and I are Ben Affleck and walk up to the door, knock on the door to wait for you to come in and you're just not home. You're gone somewhere else. Had to go see about a girl, had to go see about an NC State Final Four team. I think that that's probably the most likely scenario at all.


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[Assistant] 12th overall. This is a 12th, this is my 12th overall pick.


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[Assistant] Pidgeotor Loyals, Rux, Rux Hager. This is, you just hate to see it. Sure. Rux, Rux, Rux Hager.


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[Assistant] With Leger Duisable for another episode of Tuesdays with Breach, which is backed by popular demand. We were so good last week, Leger. They wanted us to do this every single day. And I was like, no, it's, it's Tuesdays. It's not.


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[Assistant] Unbelievable. And, uh, today's live from the Jets facility. Uh, so everything we talk about in the Draft Day, you know that it's going to be top notch when we talk about the Jets. Uh, and you know what we're doing, Luje? We are talking about the NFL Draft today. It is just over two weeks today. We're going to play some matchmaker.


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[Assistant] Uh, you probably watched a lot of blind date as a kid like me, so you'll probably get the matchmaking thing. Uh, it is what it sounds like it is. We are going to take some of the top prospects in the draft and we are going to match them with the team that best fits.


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[Assistant] And because Deuce spent his entire career playing on the defensive side of the ball, we are going to do defensive matchmaker.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you know what? We are going to start with the only position I think on the defensive side of the ball that might have a top 10 pick and that is your pass rushers, your edge guys. Uh, it really would be a shocker if we see any other position go in the top 10.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so let's stop, we're kinda looking at our CBS Sports Prospect, kinda going down that list, our Prospect Rankings. And so we're gonna start at the top there with Dallas Turner, the Alabama star.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And we saw the Falcons kept making, uh, acquiring offensive players, whether it was Kirk Cousins, Rondale Moore, Darnell Mooney. And it was like, Oh, they have this defensive genius as their head coach. Once he going to go after his head coach.


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[Assistant] And it does feel like he was kind of waiting for the draft, uh,


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[Assistant] I am going to do my best. I am not going to send any guy to where Deuce is sending them. So I'm going to just throw a team out there that Deuce didn't say. Uh, and I am going to go with the Bears here. I think you look at this. This is a team that needs pass rushing help.


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[Assistant] Uh, my only hesitation there is you look at that ninth overall pick. I could absolutely see them taking a wide receiver. Uh, but if there's a receiver...


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[Assistant] Well, I think you look at Keenan Allen is only under contract through 2024. So he's likely gone after this season and then.


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[Assistant] You have a one punch. You don't have a one two punch. You just, you have one guy and if you're


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[Assistant] Uh, where he hates his coaching staff or where he's complaining that he doesn't have weapons. So I just think it's a delicate balance when you take that quarterback number one overall that you almost feel compelled.


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[Assistant] Dallas Turner in Chicago, cause I absolutely think that pass rushing is more important, but I could see them taking a receiver.


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[Assistant] Well, and you know what's funny is I'm kinda smiling here if you're watching on YouTube because, uh, our next guy is Jared verse, a pass rusher. And as you can clearly see by Deuce talking for the past 60 seconds, uh, he clearly believes the Bears need to take a pass rusher at number nine overall. Uh, so Deuce, I think we can all predict where you have Jared verse going.


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[Assistant] And let me ask you this, because it does feel like Turner and Versh are kind of the consensus top two pass rushers in the draft. Do you have them in that order? Turner at one and Versh at two, or do you think they're kind of interchangeable?


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[Assistant] Alright, we've talked about Jared Verst from Florida State, Dallas Turner from Alabama. Let's move out to the West Coast and get a little Leatu Latu.


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[Assistant] From UCLA, uh, probably not going to be a top 15 pick, but it would be surprising if he fell out of the first round. I think he will end up being taken the first round. Dudes, it looks like you have him going in the first round. Where do you have him going?


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[Assistant] Yeah. And we were talking a little bit last week about the Buccaneers and how much they need some pass or a shelf. And as you said, having someone like that kind of fall on their lap at 26, uh, you would think they would turn that card in within 30 seconds quickly. Yeah. Go on the board.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I thought about sending him to Seattle. I think he'd be- I thought about that too.


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[Assistant] But like you said, maybe that's a little bit too high because of the injury issues with Seahawks picking 16th overall, but I think.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, you mentioned all the tools he had in his toolbox, how athletic he is and, and Mike McDonald has proven he's a very, very good defensive coach and he knows what to do. Uh, he knows how to put his guys in a position to succeed. Uh, yeah. So I think that Latsu in Seattle would be interesting. All right, let's get to the guy with the.


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[Assistant] Deuce, what do you like about him and where are you sending him?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and even after the dig straight, I don't think this is completely crazy to have him going there because A, there's no guarantee the bills are going to be able to move up.


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[Assistant] The sixth best guy on your board. Are you going to take him or are you going to take your edge three? Uh, who would be chop Robinson behind, say verse and Turner. So I think that he could absolutely still end up in Buffalo. All right, we are done.


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[Assistant] Talking about the edge guys, when we come back, we are gonna matchmaker, place a matchmaker with the cornerbacks in the draft.


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[Assistant] Man, cornerback, we're starting off with the two biggest positions. Clearly Harry, Harry, our producer, smartly set this up. One from the pass rushers to the corner. Seems like the biggest difference makers on defense. Uhm, let's see if we can


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[Assistant] Be very, very good with our matchmaking. I want to see where you have. This is my guy because he's from a Mac school.


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[Assistant] University of Toledo. I went to Miami of Ohio. So anytime I see a possibility of a Mac guy going the first round, I get unreasonably excited. I will probably have a Quinian Marshall or Mitchell draft party at my house where I just wave a Toledo flag when he gets drafted. Uh, so what do you like about him and where do you have him going?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know, it's crazy, uh, and maybe this is why people are sleeping on...


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[Assistant] Hey, I guess no one's sleeping on really anymore because he is kind of projected to be one of the top two corners in the draft, but Toledo has not had a first round pick since 1993. So he would be the first, he could be the first, first round pick out of Toledo in 31 years.


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[Assistant] But you gotta trade up to get the quarterback you want. You gotta hope, or if you stay put, you have to hope that quarterback falls in your lap. If they do not get the quarterback they want, I could absolutely see them taking a corner. Uh, and so maybe he ends up in fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada. Alright, let's go to, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it really feels like Jacksonville will take a defensive player there. It seems like that's probably where their biggest holes are right now and quarterback definitely makes sense. All right, let's look at, uh, it feels like Quinion Mitchell.


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[Assistant] And Terry and Arnold are probably the top two corners in the draft. So let's go to Terry on Arnold, Alabama corner, man, Alabama. It seems like every year they have so many players taken in the first round. It's insane. Uh, so what do you think of him and where do you have him going?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it feels like the Colts are, I would be surprised if the Colts don't take a corner. That's the one in the first round that will absolutely be taking quarter. Uh, and their best case scenario would be having Mitchell and Arnold both falling down to 15 and then you just get to take


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[Assistant] The pick of what you want. Uhm, alright, let's, you just mentioned him. Mr. Kool-Aid, Kool-Aid guy. Uh, it's crazy, Alabama had two, two shut down corners.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just, that roster just was insane last season. Uh, alright, what do you think of Coolway?


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[Assistant] Is it, does it concern you at all or what goes through your head when you see a guy who has film that his tape was much better the year before than it was in his most recent season?


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[Assistant] Alright, so Deuce has Kool-Aid going to the Cardinals. I'm going to the Eagles, another bird team. I just think that Philly's probably still looking to improve their secondary. We know they have Darry Slay and James Bradbury, but two guys.


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[Assistant] Who are not coming off fantastic seasons. Uh, alright, let's go to Nate Wiggins, who might not make it into the first round, but you know what? We're going to project where he's going anyway, and maybe he will be a first rounder. What do you think, Deuce?


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[Assistant] For quite a while, uh, and I sent him to Detroit. I know we talked a lot last week about what the Lions are doing at corner and obviously they made some moves made a trade for Carlson Davis.


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[Assistant] Signed Amique Robertson, but they did lose Cam Sutton, obviously, so maybe something they look for at the bottom of the first round or maybe even the second round. Alright, let's go to...


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[Assistant] Cooper Dijon, the Iowa corner. There's been some, I guess, speculation that maybe teams will want him to move to safety. Uh, what do you think of that dudes and what are you sending them?


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[Assistant] And you know, with all the, his returnability, it'll be interesting to see how teams factor in because


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[Assistant] Maybe you can send him back there to return kickoffs because returning a kickoff is more like returning a punt now where you have, you don't have guys right up on you, you know, you have a quick break to kind of scan the field.


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[Assistant] Figure out where you're gonna go and make a big play. Uh, so it'll, it'll be interesting to see how teams factor that in and maybe factor it in a little more since you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, guys with returnability are gonna have a little more value this year versus last year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I sent him to the 49ers and they could use a little bit of secondary help and I think that he would be a good fit there. Alright, let's move to our last one.


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[Assistant] In the defensive back section with our corners, Ennis Rake Straw Jr.


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[Assistant] Ooh, so Paramount Jireh Alexander and you, you know, they just signed, uh, Danny.


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[Assistant] All right, that's it. We're done talking about the corners. Uh, we're going to take a break and when we come back, we're going to talk about linebackers and defensive linemen.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so we might not see a linebacker get taken until the second round. Uh, but that being said, there will be linebackers drafted. So we're gonna talk about him and let's start with Edwin Cooper from Texas A&M. Uh, Deuce, what do you like about him and where do you think he'll end up?


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[Assistant] Alright, for this next guy, I was gonna call Will Brenton, but he's on vacation and he doesn't answer my phone calls anyway. It wouldn't have worked, but it is Brenton's favorite prospect in the entire draft. And I'm not sure if it's because Brenton actually thinks he's great or if it's because Peyton Wilson.


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[Assistant] Alright, Peyton Wilson in Dallas building up the linebackers, uh, paired him with Micah Parsons. That would be a scary defense. Alright, let's move to our next linebacker, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Dues, what do you like about Clemson linebacker and what do you think he ends up?


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[Assistant] I mean, Kobe Turner is a good Trump card to have where, you know what, let's side with me this year because I nailed that last year. Kobe Turner plane looking like one of the best defensive players in last year's draft class.


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[Assistant] Even more. And I think the crazier thing is that we have high need. It seems like there are a lot of teams that need defensive linemen this year. Uh, so let's start with Byron Murphy out of Texas.


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[Assistant] And then Aaron Donald retires and now you might have the best pass or defensive lineman in the draft just kind of fall on your lap. Let me ask you this though, cause you mentioned De'Bondre Sweat and I'm glad you did. And we'll talk about him a little more later, but do you think


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[Assistant] There's a situation when you have two high prospects like this where one of them benefited from playing with the other one. Do you think Tavonjoy's sweat was a little bit better because Byron Murphy was so good or maybe Byron Murphy's looked a little better because teams were so worried about sweat?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and for Byron Murphy, uh, you know, you mentioned the Seahawks that, that the Rams will have to hope he falls there. And I think the Bengals could be a possible win.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, cause it feels like obviously they need to bring in a replacement for DJ Reader, which they haven't really done yet. Just someone strong on the defensive line. I do think the Bengals probably are eyeing offensive linemen, but again, it's one of those situations where you have your top four tackles off the board or something.


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[Assistant] There's no reason to reach for the fifth best guy when you have possibly the best defensive lineman fall in your lap. All right, let's go to the guy who was kind of 1B on the defensive line board and that is Johnny Newton out of Illinois. Dues, what do you think of him and what do you think he ends up?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think both the Rams or Dolphins would be happy to get Murphy or Newton.


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[Assistant] If either guy ends up falling down there.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go to Brayden Fisk. It really kind of blows my mind that we could have


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[Assistant] You know, we just talked about Tavondre Sweatt and Byron Murphy, both on that Texas defensive line. And now we're talking about Braden Fisk and Jared Vers, uh, Jared Vers obviously going to be taken higher in the draft, but what do you think of Braden Fisk? You think he could be a first rounder? What do you have mending up? What's your take on him?


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[Assistant] You, you get a little worried when they get hired as head coach. Maybe they're in over their head, especially their first year. And, uh, you know, you got to delegate and figure out what you're doing. He didn't need that. He didn't need that warmup period. And man, their defense is loaded. All right, let's move on to Michael Hall Jr.


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[Assistant] Ah, right dudes, where do you think he ends up, and what do you think of him?


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, as the, as the official bangles Homer on this podcast, I'd be thrilled if Michael Hall Jr landed in their lap at 49th overall.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that could happen if they end up taking the offensive lineman at 18th overall.


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[Assistant] Kind of, it was left by DJ Reader. Alright, our last defensive lineman, we mentioned him a little bit earlier, Tevandre Sweat. Who knows what's going to happen with him now because he got in trouble dealing with some legal issues. Just, man, all you can do is stay out of trouble the month of April.


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[Assistant] Okay, but do you think this drops his draft stock? And where do you have him going now?