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[Assistant] Strongly. Another element of this also is


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[Assistant] One reason why I think aggression, fighting,


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[Assistant] It's so prevalent in the West, aside from the socioeconomic.


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[Assistant] Psychological reasons like Westerners.


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[Assistant] Use their sports to process aggression, let's say.


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[Assistant] And it appeals like working class, there's a working class appeal. Offense is much easier to teach than defense. You can teach combos, you can get a whole


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[Assistant] Classroom of, if you're not a super experienced coach and you have a gym, you can get people memorizing combos on the bag. You can get people holding for combos in pairs, like offense.


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[Assistant] Is much more time invested and also I think it takes a more experienced coach's eye.


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[Assistant] Who's no past, but a legend in the 70s, fighter of the year, 79 I think. 72.


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[Assistant] Who trained you? Who gave you your style? And he's like, they're all like, nobody.


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[Assistant] No, but they, they, they, nobody instructed you


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[Assistant] In your, like, follow this ideal model. Yes, you had, there were trainers who were like, no, point your toe or whatever, but largely what really


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[Assistant] Produced the fighters was just watching fights, going to watch fights and sparring and drilling stuff. Like it was an organic process.


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[Assistant] To learn defense, to learn to be able to control the fight space is a very higher advanced complex thing.


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[Assistant] You can tell someone, jab, jab, cross. Just keep jab, jab, crossing. And at a moderate level of fighting, you could win the fight.


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[Assistant] A lot of their success is they've been taught to insist on a right hand or a one two and to just really commit to a very basic punch attack. It's successful because...


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[Assistant] If the most time investing is defense and they don't reward defense anymore, why would you teach it?


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[Assistant] You might teach it because, ah, this is Muay Thai and this is the tradition and this is part of having to be a fighter, but eventually it'll just atrophy. And I guess the thing that really appealed to me about this article about the UFC and labor ethics is...


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[Assistant] You're gonna be grinding through fighters, shortening their careers, more head injuries, more punch drunk, concussion issues.


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[Assistant] And, well, they might get paid more for a time, uhm, but maybe not.


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[Assistant] There'll be low levels of fighting like that. I don't know, I'm not gonna be doomsday about this, but it was just a really interesting ethical discussion. It's not, and the, uhm,


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[Assistant] Cultural history of martial arts knowledge that's been developed out of 150 years of hundreds of thousands of fights every year. It's Thailand.


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[Assistant] If you are a logging company and you're like, look at all this wealth here and you cut all the old growth down, yeaah, you can make a lot of money cutting down the growth, but it's gone.


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[Assistant] An accomplished TIE fighter, like they like to take older but very famous TIE fighters like...


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[Assistant] Like, Yats and Klai fighting on one, or Rodang fighting on one, or whatever you're doing.


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[Assistant] It's not one that made them high-level Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] It's, you're using old growth. You're using something that grew up in a very different sport than the one that you're performing in. And yes, they can perform.


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[Assistant] Yes, the level is high. Yes, there is defensive prowess, right? But I'm like,


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[Assistant] Again, the reason why they're like Rodinus so good or exciting is he's had to fucking chase rabbits and catch them.


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[Assistant] Or almost catch them. And I'm like, if you had just put Rodin against sluggers, he would have become a very different fighter. Like, it wouldn't have been the same thing.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Okay, so this has been a long one.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's actually, the sun is going down, so you've been with us straight on through, driving across Thailand. Thank you to everyone that supports Sylvie through Patreon. Uh, it-


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[Assistant] Allows her to fight all over the country and pursue historic numbers and


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[Assistant] Push yourself to a Yodemoi status that hopefully lift up other female fighters and male fighters too. And...


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[Assistant] We're just taking you along with us, with a ride and a la-


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[Assistant] Sharing with our, with you our deeper thoughts about Muay Thai. But.


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[Assistant] We'll try to do this the next time you travel.


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[Assistant] Okay, so as we, as we do, ready?


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[Assistant] The Muay Thai Bones podcast is something that Sylvie and I do usually when we're driving back from Chiang Mai across Thailand. It's about a 10 hour drive back to Pattaya where you


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[Assistant] We live and train, uh, we're coming back usually from a fight, uhm, or two that you've had in Chiang Mai, and uhm, we have re- very interesting, uhm, conversations about Muay Thai, uh, how Muay Thai impacts all of life, and that's what this podcast is about.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and we try to, the podcast is really long format, uh, we speak for hours.


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[Assistant] And uhm, but that's, it gives us the opportunity to uhm, really think about things in depth. Uhm, these are the kinds of conversations we have over breakfast or when we're driving anyways and we're like, we might as well just put this up.


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[Assistant] And to enrich the conversation of Muay Thai. Muay Thai is not just combos and bad ass highlights.


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[Assistant] If you're a patron supporter of ours, you can get a, uhm, uh, iTunes version. You can follow the podcast on iTunes. Uhm, it's available to our lowest level of commitment. It's a dollar a month membership. Uhm, if you're not a patron, uhm,


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[Assistant] They're all on YouTube, and there's a YouTube playlist, we'll link that in the description. Uhm, we, uhm,


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[Assistant] If you become a patron, you not only support Sylvie's fighting as she pushes for, towards an incredible...


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[Assistant] 471 world record documented professional fights, which is crazy, which is going to take us probably 10 more years. Uhm, but, uhm,


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[Assistant] There's so much over there. Silvie's like, are you adding another feature amazing thing we have to do?


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[Assistant] We're gonna, thank you patrons, and uhm,


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[Assistant] Sponsors for supporting us, uh, but we're gonna dive into this now, right? Oh, and we're starting out, we're...


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[Assistant] We're filming with a GoPro, uhm, something that we just, uh, picked up. We used to film with, uhm, our Fujifilm camera, uh, so, we're still working on the tech.


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[Assistant] The experience driving. So we're going to start off with our first topic. What is our first topic?


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[Assistant] This is a very cool, I guess we'd call this mental training, put this in the mental training, um, category, right? Maybe.


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[Assistant] And what we call square one-isms derived from David Goggins. Right. The insane.


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[Assistant] We're gonna head over to David Goggins, but we're gonna enter his square one-ism from a very particular Muay Thai oriented way, which is, you recently fought


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[Assistant] We're not gonna tell the whole fight story, but down in Hualien, you recently fought John Kwan, who's...


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[Assistant] A relatively unknown Thai female fighter who's as good as any female fighter you've faced.


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[Assistant] She fights out of Issan, she doesn't get on the big, uh, promo cards, uh, she's so highly skilled, it's really beautiful, it's a shame that other, uh, that she's not more widely known, but,


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[Assistant] You had fought her and beat her three and a half years ago. Then she rematched and beat you. It was a kind of like... You guys were neck and neck with each other.


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[Assistant] And then now three and a half years later, out of a sudden, like out of nowhere, like one week,


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[Assistant] Six days or so, uhm, you were like, wow, my opponent's John Kwon.


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[Assistant] And so there was developing a kind of pressure that you were feeling that's


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[Assistant] I guess a natural normal pressure before a fight, which is the possibility of shame.


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[Assistant] Are you saying, can I bring, what, my progress into the ring?


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[Assistant] I feel like we're moving a little bit further away from what I was focused


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[Assistant] The shame dimension, which is not really a technical question like, uh, I've been working on the teep. Will the teep work? It's the fears that develop.


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[Assistant] If the, if I'm unprepared or do not perform well.


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[Assistant] Calm and relaxed because I'm just at square one and everything's chill. Square oneism is uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] You never leave uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] Do you disagree about this? You feel like s- Okay, so, I guess-


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[Assistant] We don't have this, we haven't had the conversation in advance, so we're coming at it from two different perspectives.


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[Assistant] You get to watch us triangulate on an idea.


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[Assistant] You every day, no matter whether you're like an ultra runner who covers 150 miles a day or whatever your level of competence is,


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[Assistant] You are always returning every day to square one, which is the uncomfortable place.


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[Assistant] There's a, an assumption that as a fighter, that if you've beaten someone,


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[Assistant] You now no longer on square one. You should be on square three. You already know how to beat them. Right? Right? There is the feeling like, if you, if you're a runner,


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[Assistant] And you run every morning, you get up in the morning and you just have a positive feeling about running.


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[Assistant] David Goggins talks about how when he gets up in the morning and this guy runs, unbelievable mileage.


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[Assistant] He does not want to run. Which is crazy because...


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[Assistant] You think, oh, this guy's a mer- this guy's an ultrarunner.


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[Assistant] He likes to run. This is easy stuff. This is, ye should be beyond square one. But for David Goggins,


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[Assistant] He's like, no, I want to be back at square one. I want to be where putting my shoes on in the morning is difficult.


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[Assistant] And there's something very beautiful about that because there's a fantasy about excellence or achievement or everything where you're, you no longer struggle.


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[Assistant] For him, the fact that he has mental struggle is a positive.


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[Assistant] It's traditional, or, uh, let's say pop psychology, to think it's a negative. Like there's something wrong.


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[Assistant] There's something wrong about you that you are still struggling to put your shoes on. And I think the mental, uh, jujitsu that, uhm, David Goggins


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[Assistant] Her created for himself is no when I'm at the point of struggle, that's good. That's a positive sign.


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[Assistant] And so this is what clicked for me about you coming to this John Kwon fight.


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[Assistant] Is that you hadn't fought her for a long time. And she actually had beaten you in the last match. And so, but there was the assumption.


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[Assistant] Just like David Goggins putting his shoes on in the morning, or a runner, an experienced runner putting the shoes on, there should be this assumption that


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[Assistant] I'm not, I shouldn't be at square one. I should not feel that the potential for shame in maybe getting bettered by her in some way shouldn't be gnawing at you.


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[Assistant] And you're like, and the fact that it was gnawing at you was...


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[Assistant] Had this sense about it, like, there's something wrong, that it's gnawing at me.


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[Assistant] Because I've fought 240 fights. I should be above that. I, I should not have this, uh, premature fear or stress. Like I should be evolved about that. And it reminded me very much of how David Goggins, like, well he should just be able to put his shoes on in the morning. Right.


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[Assistant] And he's like, no, the fact that you're struggling, you're returning to square one is the positive sign because that's where growth is.


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[Assistant] And I don't know, there's something about reversing that, uhm, the assumptions of struggle. Like,


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[Assistant] A lot of times people take the fact that they're struggle as a negative sign. Like a warning that something's wrong.


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[Assistant] What's interesting about Goggins is that he's like, no, I seek out that ragged edge where there's struggle.


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[Assistant] And what I find interesting is...


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[Assistant] This is a larger concept, but I feel like fighting.


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[Assistant] Like the act of fighting, let's say professionally or publicly.


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[Assistant] Contains within it, essentially, the possibility for shame.


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[Assistant] If you're fighting and there's no possibility for shame, you're no longer fighting.


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[Assistant] There's no risk, right? San Chai?


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[Assistant] Exactly. There is some possibility, but for instance, we're bored by it. We don't even watch Sanchai Tai fight fights because...


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[Assistant] There isn't a substantial risk for him.


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[Assistant] I feel like I'm talking and you're just saying yes and no.


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[Assistant] And we understand that people love watching Sanchai fight on TIE Fight and breaking that stuff down. It's just beautiful technique. But he really isn't a retirement, uh, tour kind of show. He's showing his beautiful skills.


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[Assistant] It's like it's not a basketball game. Totally. It's not a basketball game. Uhm, uh, and so, at least for us. Yep. And so,


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[Assistant] What's interesting to me is, and David Goggins is an extreme version of somebody who's like figured out that you just find that uncomfortable place and you just put yourself there every single day, multiple times a day.


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[Assistant] That the path of the fighter is to expose themselves to the possibility of shame every fight.


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[Assistant] Like he would be, but I'm saying he has a very small, there's a small element, it's not a major element in what he's doing.


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[Assistant] What's interesting about understanding that shame, that fighting is a shame game. Like, it's why fights are done in public, in front of an audience. That there's a public dimension of that.


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[Assistant] Is that it also gives clue to why Thai scoring is the way that it is.


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[Assistant] In the west, the big fear is that you're gonna get your ass kicked. Right? That someone's gonna like, dominate you.


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[Assistant] With aggression and then knock you out in some terrible way.


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[Assistant] In Thailand, the fear is that you're going to be exposed as crumbling under your own faults.


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[Assistant] Right? So that's why Thai scoring is much more about making it look like your opponent withered.


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[Assistant] Rather than, I put a meaning on it.


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[Assistant] What do you, so you kind of, we kind of, you kind of agree with me that


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[Assistant] Returning to the square one of shame, and if you're feeling shame as a potential of shame before a fight as a fighter, on your first fight, your tenth fight, your fiftieth fight,


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[Assistant] It's not a sign of a flaw in you or a problem. Like, you're actually doing the very thing that fighting is.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say that, uh, before you took to mental training, you were really largely unskilled in how to deal with those feelings, and you've become much more skilled at it. Like, you still feel them, but you actually now have strategies on how to deal with them.


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[Assistant] If you take a surfer's mentality that plugging took a giant ass wave that no one wanted to take, and then you just got crushed on the wreath, you're like,


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[Assistant] I did this to me, not the wave did it to me. I submitted myself to this, like,


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[Assistant] Unlikely outcome of success, right?


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[Assistant] That Goggins is talking about a certain kind of ownership, uhm, a sense of autonomy that makes him immune


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[Assistant] Or protects him from elements of shame. The fact that he can be shitting himself in a fight, I mean not in a fight, in a run.


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[Assistant] And be like, I did this. Like, there's really not a whole lot more shameful than that.


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[Assistant] There are other elements to this also, like we- we-


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[Assistant] You're feeling the pressure and everything and you realized...


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[Assistant] Pretty early on but has developed over time that you take those energies and you don't direct them internal.


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[Assistant] You makes them go out. Like that's a hard thing to learn.


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[Assistant] You are saying that the learning, I was saying that there is a mental, uhm,


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[Assistant] You have to work on what does that feel like for yourself?


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[Assistant] Uh, when the energy is going inward instead of outward, like you have to feel, it's an awareness that you, that you grow into. You're like,


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[Assistant] Oh, the energy is coming in, is going, I'm turning it on myself, I have to somehow reverse the polarity. Yeah. Uhm, it takes a long time to feel that and you're probably still working on it.


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[Assistant] One of the interesting things about thoughtful, sensitive, uhm,


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[Assistant] People who are fighters are very self-critical. And I think a lot of female fighters are this way. Uhm, they put a lot of pressure on themselves to make other people happy. In training, they habitually work on criticizing themselves, so...


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[Assistant] In training, there's a lot of the needles pointing in.


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[Assistant] Which gives you toughness, but that means you get used to that voice of like, talk coach on yourself, right? And then when you get in the ring,


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[Assistant] Moving from introspection to external...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I... That's an interesting question.


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[Assistant] I think what's productive about square one-ism is the enthusiasm towards discomfort.


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[Assistant] Because the trigger is when you, when you feel discomfort.


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[Assistant] What's wrong with you? You start being very diagnostic and critical.


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[Assistant] And when something's right, that internal voice doesn't kick in.


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[Assistant] It's a very cool thing, and as somebody, as your husband, I've watched you fight over 240 times. It is so exciting that fights at this point are still as fresh. Like, the cut is just as fresh. It's not- Are you speaking metaphorically?


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[Assistant] I don't know, there's a, uh, like if you take a flower and you cut the stem and sap runs out, it's fresh.


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[Assistant] In sitting in front of you, and you're, and there's a cut, and the sap runs out exactly as it felt like on fight three.


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[Assistant] The same risk is there. The same shame is there. You're more experienced, but your experience hasn't numbed you or distanced you to that discomfort.


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[Assistant] I didn't mean that, but the shame nerve thing is the engine that makes anything possible.


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[Assistant] Cause if it's there at two s- s- two fifty.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be there at 3.50 and 4.50, like, as long as we're in the same process, as long as you're still chasing discomfort. And I think the reason why it's there for you is fights have always been part of training.


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[Assistant] It's like, you're not going to a fight to shut people up or going to a fight to win a belt and prove once and for all


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[Assistant] You're the whatever, right? I think that many people...


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[Assistant] Right? They don't want square one. They want square ten, and now I'm, now I'm, uh, I've graduated from the game board.


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[Assistant] Right? But I feel like the reason why, one reason why it's still fresh for you at 250 or whatever we're at, 240, 245, 245, uhm, is because you pursue this in training, this discomfort constantly and fighting is just one more dimension of your process.


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[Assistant] Like you train for two weeks, then go face shame. And then you come back and train.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's important that you don't want to...


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[Assistant] Like just the presence of shame isn't always an awesome thing, right?


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[Assistant] Totally. This is the fascinating thing about Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Like, when you really sink into it, is it leads to these powerful, almost metaphysical concepts about how to grow as a person, and


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[Assistant] Like, I'm reminded of, with Square Oneism, we talk about Sui has been practicing Vipassana now for over a year, probably, right? Uhm, but Vipassana is a form of meditation that, uhm,


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[Assistant] Is about observing the body and the mind, uh, without judgement.


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[Assistant] But we use an analogy, which is get on the rope. Like, the goal isn't to stay on the rope. The goal is to, when you fall off the rope, you just get back on the rope.


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[Assistant] And it's a very different goal to be like, one goal is stay on the rope, be on the rope. Because then you're starting to judge yourself and you're aware of waivers and balance and whatever. But if your goal is just to get back on the rope, then falling off the rope is part of the process.


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[Assistant] So when you get really good at getting back on the rope, you actually grow balance, a sense of balance and awareness that's productive.


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[Assistant] To me, square one-ism is like get on the rope.


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[Assistant] I think that's how Goggins uses it. He's like...


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[Assistant] I don't know how I completely feel about it, like, do you want to live a life of continual discomfort? But he finds freedom in moving towards uncomfortable things and they don't have to be physically uncomfortable, they can be emotionally uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] That's a very beautiful thing, and it's a very nice way of even thinking about what does it mean that you fought 245 times.


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[Assistant] It's literally this, you've continually put yourself at risk.


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[Assistant] The risk isn't, there is a physical risk, but there's always this like discomfort that you've exposed yourself to and become familiar with.


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[Assistant] And, you guys can look up his story, but...


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[Assistant] He was deeply, uhm, affected by going through a police stop, uhm.


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[Assistant] And he was, but he was surrounded by, uhm, Navy Seals who were doing one of the badass things on the planet and he's like, all these alpha males


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[Assistant] They're just interested in having the credit of being badass.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and these are actually legitimate badass people. These are very tough dudes.


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[Assistant] Past very difficult training, but he saw in many of them.


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[Assistant] This little thing where they're like, I completed badass.


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[Assistant] Like, Ness. And now I am legitimate badass, and now I'm giving myself credit. And for him...


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[Assistant] At least here is hearing his telling. He was offended.


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[Assistant] Like, after the 10k pack run.


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[Assistant] I don't know, there's something about, I, I get enjoyment that you as this little like, 100 pound fighter and David Goggins are...


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[Assistant] Are climbing on the same mountain. You're in different parts of the mountain, but you're on the same mountain.


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[Assistant] Which is this, uh, this one, Square One-ism journey, uh,


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[Assistant] So, that's a pretty good opening segment, right?


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[Assistant] Everywhere. Just from your experiences before a fight. And just like...


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[Assistant] It blows my mind that we can talk about these things. They're not only vast.


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[Assistant] Almost metaphysical, but they're practical. They're like, this stuff touches every moment of your life.


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[Assistant] To have what you really, really want, you have to be who you really, really are. We should make that a segment at some point because we don't even fully know what that means, but it makes you feel like you do know what that means.


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[Assistant] And this one's really, a really interesting technique. And we've done a, uh, technique vlog on it also, uh, with an extended version of it on Patreon. We'll link that in the description. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] In the meantime, wait, let me make sure this, can you make sure that's tightened?


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[Assistant] Maybe, do you wanna tell the story of how it came about or what you're actually doing in the...


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[Assistant] Do you want to tell the story of how that evolved? Kronsock?


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[Assistant] Such, uhm, or do you want to dive right into what you're doing? Just dive right in.


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[Assistant] Just as a larger concept, there are many places to look as a fighter.


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[Assistant] Different fighters and crews will tell you...


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[Assistant] Look here, look there. There's no like proper place to look. Sometimes it's the collarbone, sometimes it's the belly button.


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[Assistant] Okay. But the larger point is...


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[Assistant] The challenge of using eye contact as the place to look because it was so hard for you to do.


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[Assistant] No. And actually this follows up exactly on our last segment, which was go where it's uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna take a little detour here because you brought it up and it's actually very interesting.


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[Assistant] As a woman, as a, as a woman in the world, in general, eye contact is problematic. Because in social spaces, when you make eye contact, you can be inviting, you can lose power with eye contact.


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[Assistant] Like avoiding eye contact is actually a way of controlling social circumstances.


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[Assistant] Because if, if you've learned that not meeting eyes is in, in your best interest, right? And you've learned this since, let's say,


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[Assistant] Thirteen, when you started to become a publicly sexual, visable being, right?


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[Assistant] Sexualized being. You're, you're learning to avert your eyes, and then you go to try to become a fighter.


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[Assistant] You're going to bring with you your basic eye movements. Your habits of vision.


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[Assistant] So what would be an example, like a hard core, like a concrete example of a look away moment? In training, let's say.


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[Assistant] She's not small. You actually had a small, small, small side note. You actually had a very interesting observation last night watching the ring card boys.


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[Assistant] To not go too far on a feminist, uh, tangent, but eye contact is a very, and space management is a very big part of being a female fighter and learning how to move through space


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[Assistant] While sensibly as men are free to do. Like the techniques of Muay Thai are masculine coded.


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[Assistant] So what, what kind of, what was in this way? I actually didn't witness it, so.


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[Assistant] A mental training book, uh, that we actually did a reading group on.


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[Assistant] Let's not go into self one and self two because I'd like to do that after.


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[Assistant] But let me, let me go, uh, in a specific order because that's the consequence of training eye contact. I want to first go in.


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[Assistant] And then we can talk about the results that you're seeing from training iContact. So how are we doing on time? Does the battery look okay?


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe we just keep watching it and make sure it, see if it stops. Okay. Because we're working on tech, everybody, that we're not, we haven't quite used this app and everything, so we're not quite sure. Uhm, well, and this, this thing is...


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[Assistant] So can you jump in now and describe literally what you're doing in the gym to train eye contact so that someone can copy you and take this into their own gym?


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[Assistant] So this is part of a larger project that you've taken on, which is I want


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[Assistant] What I'm doing in the gym in the different stations of training to map onto what you do in the ring.


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[Assistant] So part of this is realizing, becoming aware of how differently you position your body, including your face.


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[Assistant] You're like, this is gonna take a lot of time.


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[Assistant] So can I ask you, I hope you don't mind, but, I'm like, take me through, if you have the awareness, how to work with PNU, and, like, do you just...


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[Assistant] Are you like, don't look at the pads? Like, don't look at where he's holding the pad?


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[Assistant] Okay, so you're giving yourself a positive command. Look at the eyes.


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[Assistant] This is one of the interesting, amazing things about Pinu, is that Sylvie travels around, films with legends everywhere, has an encyclopedia of techniques she's been exposed to, and every time we go and train and film, she brings new techniques to the gym, and into her training, and Pinu, like, recognizes...


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[Assistant] Inventive trainer and perceptive. He like sees what she's doing and then he just like folds it into what they've already been doing.


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[Assistant] And this is an interesting component is that because a lot of eye aversion is signaling deference, not all of it, but some of it is signaling deference, because


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[Assistant] Signaling practicing deference visually, like symbolizing deference, means you're training the opposite of the goal of Muay Thai scoring.


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[Assistant] And if you have built in habits towards deference in the culture, it can make you struggle. And uh, bear with me on this little side tour here.


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[Assistant] Like, they're telling you to do that. But for me, the strongest impression was Kronksock, uh, an amazing fighter, uh, who might have even beat


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, so, just taking off from the last thing, uhm, Kronsoc, when we trained with him, uh, of all the people that have, you might have had a different experience with others, I don't remember other legends so much, but he was like, no, look at me, and you can watch the session


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[Assistant] On Patreon. And for me, like from my end of it, that was like...


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[Assistant] Wow, he's really serious about this, which means that his own, his own experience of his own fighting means this is what makes him go.


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[Assistant] For me, when he- when you had that session and then you discovered the- or you rediscovered the discomfort level,


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[Assistant] And then what really led you, well, to ca- maybe mention


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[Assistant] What then led you to like, I'm gonna really do this?


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[Assistant] It's what you can see on the target, right? Being able to perceive the target.


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[Assistant] And then because you are in the right mental space.


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[Assistant] The fact that it was hard to do stimulated you rather than made you like, no.


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[Assistant] Because, then who's the author of that book? I dunno.


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[Assistant] He divides the self into two parts, the body and the mind, the talking mind really, and his whole theory, he's a tennis teacher, is the talking mind doesn't know what the fuck it's doing.


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[Assistant] It thinks that it's the boss and the one that knows everything, the expert, but actually it's the body that knows everything.


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[Assistant] Even if you're comfortable looking in the eye psychologically, there could be an added benefit which is


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[Assistant] You're not looking at your targets. So you're having to rely on peripheral


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[Assistant] Kind of global vision in which the body, self too, can automatically target.


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[Assistant] Without you thinking to this, yourself to the center of the dartboard.


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[Assistant] You have your weapons that you've trained and you're now bringing them in the ring. Whereas really high level fighting is really about a conversation where spontaneously things are happening that you don't anticipate. But you also respond in ways that you yourself couldn't anticipate.


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[Assistant] It is part of the development of your expression of your character and your style, and that's why we often analogize Muay Thai to a language.


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[Assistant] Like, if Muay Thai is a language and you learn the grammar and the vocabulary of strikes,


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[Assistant] Then you, then you use it in a spontaneous way. And you're saying when you're in eye contact, you're much more engaged in a connective living fashion.


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[Assistant] If you could allow me this little side turn, which we've talked about in the past, is introverted people spend a lot of time in their own headspace.


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[Assistant] She pulls into herself, and as a personality type, you're an introvert. Yes. You spend a lot of time in your head space.


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[Assistant] Like, there's a lot of judgement you pass on yourself, whether you're doing something well or not. There's a whole inner coach that's running.


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[Assistant] Returning to an internal headspace is problematic. There's like a ceiling on how far you can go.


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[Assistant] And this is what's where it's mind blowing how much Muay Thai touches is through the technique of eye contact, you are


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[Assistant] Undermining the habit of returning to your introverted headspace. Yep.


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[Assistant] And the things you practice in training, you're always practicing something, right?


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[Assistant] So when you become aware, by maintaining eye contact, you're actually preventing yourself from dropping into an internal spot.


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[Assistant] Is, we are full spectrum beings, like we hit every


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[Assistant] But then habitually we stay on certain bandwidth, certain colors of the rainbow. But we actually have


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[Assistant] Uh, pride over shame becomes a value. It's beautiful to see you exploring these things that might


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[Assistant] Not seem to fit in with, uh, what people might think was natural for you when you were 14 years old or 15 years old. Like, you're playing different chords.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll say, you know, you're an introvert, shy person. Your instinct is not to like, share stuff.


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[Assistant] But you've vlogged 200, or 350 times, like, there is a dimension of yourself that has grown, and honestly, some of the most interesting contributions come from people who are doing the thing they're not natural at, supposedly.


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[Assistant] And I think that that's kind of what's happening with this eye contact is that you're digging a deep well to get to a certain level of crude oil. It's very, very cool. And it's just starting, right?


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[Assistant] You've only been doing this for a month or two? Maybe. And for anybody watching, for let's say,


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[Assistant] 75% of you? You can take this to the gym tomorrow.


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[Assistant] You practice them outside of the gym, like in the grocery store.


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[Assistant] I mean, some people do this alter ego thing, and I think that was what we talked about. Some people try to create a switch, but you've found it's much more edifying and maybe


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[Assistant] I'm authentic for you to change the fabric everywhere.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, when were we talking about?


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[Assistant] Moi Khao as a preferred fighting style of western women, uh, especially in Thailand.


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[Assistant] Advocate for celebrator of, uhm, documenter of Muay Kow, the Muay Kow fighting style. Muay Kow fighting style is knee fighting, it's often contrasted to Muay Thai fighting which is, uhm, like artful fighting, uhm,


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[Assistant] It favors forward aggression, relentless cardio, constant pressure, it can be with knees and clinch, uh, but it can also, my cat can also describe like a forward fighting puncher sometimes, if it carries the same kind of relentless turning energy.


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[Assistant] Whereas in Moikau, there is a kind of more relentless energy that, uh, overcomes the opponent over time, right? There's so much to talk about, and it's really not, we're not gonna go too deep into that. But what I find fascinating, it's a


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[Assistant] So apropos, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. And, and because of this, like, uhm, uhm,


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[Assistant] Look, second class citizen quality, we spent a lot of time not only documenting the great techniques and studying the great techniques of legends in the past, but also as a, you're a Moikawa fighter. You're, you embody the Moikawa style and you're...


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[Assistant] He's about how western women fighting in Thailand successfully


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[Assistant] To their success against Thai female fighters has been to become knee fighters and


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[Assistant] Western women are embodying this second class citizen of a style that has many of, many of the techniques of the Moikawa fighting style.


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[Assistant] are being lost to contemporary Muay Thai. And yes, we're preserving them in the Muay Thai library that patrons can study, but it's actually living on in Western female fighters, which is


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[Assistant] Incredible. This is part of my intuition that actually female fighters...


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[Assistant] Traditional concepts of Thai femininity, right? Uhm, tend to want to move towards more artful fighting. Right? Uhm...


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[Assistant] Muay Thai fighting likes to produce a stylistic effect. And there's almost a feeling like among the highest Muay Thai fighters that there's almost a feminine quality.


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[Assistant] To not be absurd about it, but like some art has this dancerly quality to them, right? And so it's a very natural gravitation for Thai female fighters to kind of develop a more, um, more artful performance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you don't have, you don't have to be hardened. You can, because my femur fighting, uh, is about managing the space and not engaging.


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[Assistant] You can, you tend to become very good at trying to manage energy.


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[Assistant] What? You're just countering me for no reason. No, no, no. I'm saying that's the... Uh, some rock is a perfect example of a floppy non-muscular...


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[Assistant] Handsome pretty boy, right? Who just kind of like wiggles his way around the ring in this magic act.


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[Assistant] And so, uh, a Thai female fighter who's, uh, not particularly muscular, uhm, now things are changing. Thai women are starting to move towards muscularity more, but in a more traditional sense of Thai femininity, you can stay willowy and also express yourself as a fighter, uhm,


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[Assistant] And so a lot of Thai female fighters are drawn to that kind of style. The, the mortal enemy of Muay Thai is Muay Khao.


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[Assistant] They're physically strong. They're drawn to the art.


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[Assistant] In the sense that they come from like, I want to train really hard. Like, they're drawn to the masculinity of the art often.


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[Assistant] So, they want to train in this, like, relentless gym, uhm, onslaught. Like, I remember when you first landed in Thailand and you're like, I wanna go to the gym right now.


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[Assistant] That this muscularity and toughness that draws a lot of Western female fighters to Thailand?


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[Assistant] Puts them on the other side of the equation.


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[Assistant] Towards a physicality that's going to impose the physicality on the artful other.


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[Assistant] And he became one of the great movie female fighters ever. So it's not a, it's not necessarily a character flaw.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I guess I'm just gonna talk on this a little bit and interject. Another reason why western female fighters are, uhm,


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[Assistant] tend to be more cow fighters, and certainly more aggression fighters, is because uhm,


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[Assistant] 10 year old, 12 year old, 14 year old.


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[Assistant] At a very different level than if you start it when you're an adult. It's like learning a language when you're 3 years old, 5 years old, as opposed to learning it in college when you're 24.


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[Assistant] There's a natural like predator-prey balance in


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[Assistant] That's the deep tradition of Muay Thai. People pretend that Muay Thumur was like the only Muay Thai and then now Muay Khao or clinch fighting is this sudden incursion. No. Muay Khao and Muay Thumur fighters have been like at each other's throat as natural balance.


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[Assistant] From the beginning. And that, uh, Wonsan Chai loved putting them opposite each other. Because you bring out the both. It's the natador and the bull.


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[Assistant] And so, because of the natural, uh, superiority of early learning and also, uh, maybe even cultural feminine, uh, constructs, Thai female fighters generally are gonna own the artful at, they're gonna be the matador.


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[Assistant] And because of other aspects of, of female Western fighters, uh, there's things like, uh, in the, in the West we learn that fighting aggressively is a positive. It's not necessarily a positive anti-scoring, but


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[Assistant] It's in our cultural DNA to see forward aggression as a positive control over a fight. So taking the bull, taking the position of the bull is natural to do.


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[Assistant] So, female western fighters are going to train really hard in a kind of like, uber masculine concept. They are, uhm, going to favor aggression just culturally. So, being the bull is going to be the thing. They're also, as you're saying, they're not going to, uh, try to out artful the artful ones.


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[Assistant] It's a very, it's a very, uh, and you can see it on the live stream, we'll link that, uh, we're gonna put up the, the live, the copy of the right live stream. So, this fight's very instructive of the Muay Fumar versus Muay Khao, uhm, challenge, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's like, let's, let's fight in this other way. Now the interesting thing is there-


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[Assistant] The other, the Muay Kow fighter last time was a Thai female fighter. There is a long lineage line of Muay Kow technique and Muay Kow fighting by Thais. It's not just a western thing. There's actually a tradition of techniques, which is we work to preserve it and study it, but you're taking the position


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[Assistant] of the second class citizen in a certain regard, but you're doing it almost, you have to do it necessarily. And I was thinking to myself, think of successful western female fighters in


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[Assistant] The country, uhm, when you first came, little Sylvie Charbonneau is your size. She was a boy cow fighter.


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[Assistant] Who else, who else are we thinking about?


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[Assistant] And the, the reason why, and then there's another component on this.


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[Assistant] Which does not apply to you, or to Teresa, but, uh, female, oh, uhm, Hong Tong, uhm, Hong Tong,


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[Assistant] Just by body size, western female fighters also tend to be physically larger than their Thai counterpart. Yep. So, if you come to uhm, Thailand and you're a larger uhm,


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[Assistant] That's a situation where you want to be a Monkout fighter. Because you're trying to impose yourself physically. So the general size advantage that you have, uhm,


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[Assistant] What I kind of want to talk about a little bit on the technical aspect of it because you are actually really small compared to your Thai opponents.


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[Assistant] One of the challenges of being a Moikawa fighter is...


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[Assistant] When you were a kid? Did someone accept the award for it?


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[Assistant] Uh, so, but also, staying out of... padwork range.


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[Assistant] People practice at a specific distance to their pad map.


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[Assistant] You get really good at targeting the pad and whacking the pad.


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[Assistant] As a Muay Cal fighter, one of the major techniques that you want, that you're learning, is you do not stand.


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[Assistant] You are continually cutting into that space and making your opponent have to reposition themselves to get back to pad work space.


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[Assistant] And as you do that, you start to pressure them psychologically, as they're no longer in a comfort zone.


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[Assistant] So what a Muay Thai fighter wants to do is continually stand where they practice. Like at pad work, right? Yes.


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[Assistant] Like T-vault, you're on the T. And I think a lot of times because we, that, everyone practices pad work range. Even Muay Thai fighters, uh, Muay Khao fighters, uh, although when you have a very good Muay, Muay Khao, uhm.


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[Assistant] Pat Holder, you learn not to be at that ideal, you're closing it.


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[Assistant] But a lot of people practice at this ideal kicking range. When you, as a Muay Cal fighter, are standing at pad work range, you're on a T-ball.


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[Assistant] So one of the interesting things, Sylvia was describing the, uh,


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[Assistant] Spatial war, like letting the leash drop because you're advancing on the leash, is this sense that as a Moin Cal fighter, you can basically take almost all weapons offline.


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[Assistant] That's very fascinating to me, that as you watch Western female fighters, uhm, in Thailand, the predominance of them being knee fighters, you're really watching this war of space, where


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[Assistant] The Western fighter is kind of dis, uhm, disengaging or taking offline the beautiful techniques of the Tai opponent.


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[Assistant] I think it's both. I think it's unconscious. I think it's larger than unconscious, but it's like, uhm, you cannot...


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[Assistant] It's like, it's impossible to gain the fluency.


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[Assistant] In a shorter period of time with a natural native speaker.


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[Assistant] So you're like, we have to fight in a phone booth because I can learn how to fight in a phone booth because it's a smaller.


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[Assistant] Controllable space. If we expand the space to everything, then more vocabulary comes into play.


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[Assistant] And what you're really doing is making the fight happen where you control, kind of control. And that's what every fighter does. I also would point out that some of the very best Thai female fighters are really good knee fighters. Like Sao Sing, like,


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[Assistant] Sometimes the thing that ascends you in Thailand as a female fighter is the ability to fight with knees.


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[Assistant] Thai female, female Thai fighters too, that, that the advantages that go to the Western fighter.


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[Assistant] Because a lot of Thai female fighters are not strong clinch fighters. They don't clinch a lot in the gym. When you're a strong clinch fighter, like Loma,


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[Assistant] We're talking, when we're saying that almost all, uhm, Thai female fighters are Muay Thai Mer, but actually the ones that ascend to the next tier, they're Muay Thai fighters. A lot.


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[Assistant] Or at least can, can do well at that range. Even Chomanee is not that bad up close. Yep. Uhm, even though she's a more famous fighter. Yep.


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[Assistant] There's a natural kind of like, advantage for female fighting.


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[Assistant] In the Muay Khao style. And I'm kind of excited by what you're doing because now you're demonstrating to pretty much all of Thailand that a small body


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[Assistant] I wonder if I've seen a difference in, uh, Chiang Mai female fighting that since you've been fighting there so much, the Thai female fighters in general have gotten better in the clinch.


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[Assistant] 100%, and I think you've stimulated an increase of vocabulary, close range vocabulary, in the Thai female scene. I swear no one knew how to lock their arms, how to lock on a clinch fighter, and now we see it all the time, like in Chiang Mai.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, but she came from the south. She comes from a different zone. And like I said, but she's another Thai female fighter who could fight at close range.


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[Assistant] Your example as a smaller bodied but kind of unstoppable knee fighter probably is infiltrated into the Thai female side.


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[Assistant] And they're much better up close. They're not just taking distance.


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[Assistant] You've recently been getting a lot of questions on different of your social media platforms.


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[Assistant] As, like it's an important, maybe irreplaceable part as Muay Thai starts getting pulled towards kickboxing style.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you've performed your Ramoy or version of it over...


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[Assistant] A little bit aggravated by the question, like, what does it mean? Uh, maybe a little bit like how, uh, what is, what do your sakyan mean? So.


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[Assistant] There is, there are two parts of the Y Crew Ramoy. The Y Crew is the part where you're paying respect to your teachers.


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[Assistant] When people are like, what's the white crew? I thought it's called Ramoy.


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[Assistant] It's actually the two parts put together and everything you do it before.


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[Assistant] So he was probably fighting in the 1960s, which was pretty far back. That's like not that long after.


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[Assistant] Which is interesting because traditions and antiquity or old things survive in a fragmented fashion.


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[Assistant] That's why I was confused. First you go to the steps.


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[Assistant] Don't just skip by that just because there's some people that don't understand.


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[Assistant] There are supposed protective, uh, amulets or powers that protect everyone in the ring.


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[Assistant] Handed over, almost handed over a top rope in a family gym. And they're like, holy shit, we almost put the female over the rope.


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[Assistant] He's a little bit of an extravagant fellow, but I'm saying that the mentality or the logic of the


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[Assistant] This branch of thinking is kind of irrational in a lot of ways.


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[Assistant] How do you feel? I'm curious. I've never asked you this. You've had that moment. Very often it's, uh, a trainer you know like Dang Crudang, but it's sometimes a VIP like somebody local. It's an honorific thing.


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[Assistant] Okay, but my question is what have you experienced? What's that like for you? Is it meaningful to you when a


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[Assistant] Crew, like Crew Dang or somebody does that. Andy Thompson, who longer is with us, used to do your Hong Kong, like, is that a special moment or you're like, let's get on with it.


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[Assistant] So, Wen Crudang, I'm sorry, really pulling teeth on this. Wen Crudang is giving you this thing, is this a moment of reflection for you, or you're...


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[Assistant] For more formal older generation people, it's pretty, it's too intense.


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[Assistant] But you don't want to accidentally feel excessively disrespectful, so you pull it out.


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[Assistant] Putting like a cannon on your chest in terms of like, magical power.


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[Assistant] What inspired you to add a prominent iconic movement, like a movement like that?


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[Assistant] To change your own mind. Or was it just kinda like, I want the meditative focus?


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[Assistant] And I wanna, uh, I wanna say, and I don't know if it's the case, but I watched you do this rahu eating of the sun.


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[Assistant] And there was a kid who was like 12 years old in the corner of your opponent and his jaw dropped.


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[Assistant] An accurate capturing of the Rahu symbology? That's pretty amazing.


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[Assistant] I'm curious about this, like, you're not of this culture.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you're doing all these things that have an exotic quality to them. Is there some element that it not being of your culture frees you up?


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[Assistant] Uh, so we're, uh, we had a battering failure, so we're not exactly sure where we left off, so we're just gonna like, jump back in time a little bit. If we repeat ourselves, or there's a gap, well, we're just working with how we got.


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[Assistant] Which is incredible, you've fought over 200 times and you realized something.


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[Assistant] It's like, uh, westerners that in, uh, that ties will like touch, like touch gloves with me. Which in Thailand is, I have a giant lean.


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[Assistant] Right, and Westerner's like, oh, I'll touch gloves and be friendly with you. Yeah, yeah. Like, you don't realize what you're symbolically representing.


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[Assistant] But ties are very sensitive to high and low hierarchy and so just having the glove over the edge of the other glove means something.


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[Assistant] Very, very true. And can you also, uhm, in case we missed it, you were saying that


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[Assistant] Your opponent, some opponents will time their circle so that you are bowing to the ground in front of them. No.


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[Assistant] As they're passing, but at that moment you're bowing to them. Can you describe that? Like what is going on there? Like you're...


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[Assistant] Wait, you also said that there's a pissing contest not to be the first one to go to.


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[Assistant] So if you're the first one to go down to your knees.


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[Assistant] Of the, of the symbolism of it. One of the things that I find, I don't, we don't know this for a fact, but we as, we've read and assume that


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[Assistant] There was much greater variety in Ramai in Thailand.


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[Assistant] There was a big modernization of Muay Thai at the time, Muay Boran, when the railroads connected, built in the early 1900s, connected gyms in Isan and in the south, uh, to Bangkok.


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[Assistant] Suddenly you had fighters coming to Bangkok to fight, uh, in rings, and they would be bringing their Muay Thai, which was different. Yeah. And probably-


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[Assistant] Okay, well I'm uh, I wanna not go to that, I'm saying, what has been lost, probably?


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[Assistant] Is great diversity in Ramoy.


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[Assistant] Now, maybe because of television, but...


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[Assistant] Ramoy have become incredibly homogenized. You would think there'd be still variety. I'm shocked at how much singular repetition there is in Ramoy figuration.


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[Assistant] I guess you're going in this other direction talking about Teh Win. Generally, it's not like that. Like,


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[Assistant] Like, a big traditional deal, which is probably why it's become so homogenized. Like,


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[Assistant] At one point, it probably was a


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[Assistant] Fighting in the great cosmopolitan city of Bangkok.


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[Assistant] And what's so interesting to me is it's become incredibly homogenized and here you are fighting with a 1960s strongly influenced Ramoy.


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[Assistant] It's like one of the last fragments of that line and Master K's uncle.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I, I find the preservation of tradition


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[Assistant] Non-traditional elements, like female fighters or westerners, like in many ways the westerners have greater respect maybe out of sometimes of an exotic concept.


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[Assistant] It's hard to read how that's read, but uhm.


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[Assistant] It's once again that in some ways...


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[Assistant] The Westerner is the, the conduit of the preservation of Thai past. That you went, that when you get things like Samart saying that Muay Thai will be in the hands of the West.


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[Assistant] What he's really saying is that contemporary Thai society is uninterested in the heritage of the sport.


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[Assistant] And the ones that are passionate are westerners.


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[Assistant] So we have to appreciate that even though we bring in a kind of exotic, maybe even a colonialist concept, that it's valued by Thais in some ways.


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[Assistant] So I think we answered that question. Let's put a stop on this and start another one.


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[Assistant] This one is a little bit technique oriented also. We normally try to do one, we're kind of doing two.


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[Assistant] But we wanna expand it into a larger concept, which is...


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[Assistant] It's this beautiful archive we created, but it's actually the way that Sylvie has trained her and-


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[Assistant] Whole time in, in Muay Thai, that even the very first move, we went to kind of like a strip mall, and we encountered a Muay Thai that wasn't even Muay Thai, just called it some Muay Thai, and then you, we moved from that to Master K, uh, because-


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[Assistant] We've been doing this kind of like, move, go get the secret ingredient.


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[Assistant] Or the influence of a strong line of technique or knowledge that you can add to the pot, like you're cooking a stew. And recently, what we're doing is Long Clench with Tonadette.


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[Assistant] Who's the master of something that we're calling the long clinch, which is this beautiful system of clinch, uh, that you do see TIE fighters use, but only momentarily in, uh, transitional.


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[Assistant] And he somehow developed it into a dominant system of attack.


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[Assistant] And it looks like nothing else. And you can see our session in the library. It will be linked in the description if you want to go check that out. But what are you laughing about?


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[Assistant] Totally, and so what we're doing is, we filmed our session with him, Sylvie actually knew him from years before when he was a kid, before he went down and became a lupini fighter. Uhm, so every time we come up to Chiang Mai and Sylvie fights a fight,


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[Assistant] But we're like, let's make this a fucking like, flavor.


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[Assistant] Is that there, there's holes in the bucket if you haven't lifted it to an art form. So you can only hold it for three seconds, four seconds, and then you move to something else.


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[Assistant] But at a higher level, when you plug all the holes, it suddenly becomes something else.


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[Assistant] Like, all the little combination clicks. No? Is that the right way to describe that?


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[Assistant] That's a very good point about it, it is the exact opposite of what you anticipate.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you, if you get all the pieces to like lock in, like an architectural thing, they all support each other, and then it takes no energy.


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[Assistant] It just, the structure of the body holds it. Yep.


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[Assistant] And to learn that takes a lot of time. I, uh, saw a very like Instagram popular female fighter training with long clinch.


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[Assistant] But she's not doing anything that Tana is doing. It's just a transitional thing.


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[Assistant] We're trying to get repeated time in the long clinch so that you can lift it to a holy fuck light while you're resting.


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[Assistant] That holy fuck position that can be held.


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[Assistant] And one of the advantages of Long Clench is people do not train it.


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[Assistant] What you think is the counter is probably not the counter. It's probably not gonna work.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I guess what? To open it up to a larger, a larger idea.


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[Assistant] I don't wanna say, like, so many people are dependent on their gyms and their gyms serve them very, very well. But because of where we lived in the beginning, we lived where there were no gyms. And one of the reasons why we put so much stuff online is that we wanted to find


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[Assistant] Because we had no gym, we had to piece things together. And I'm like, as a fighter, one of the things that weird you've been doing all these years, and I encourage other people maybe to do it, is


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[Assistant] Yes, get your foundation of what your crew is teaching you or your coach or your gym style or the style that you feel that expresses you and that you're drawn to, but then seek somebody out who's really good at something.


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[Assistant] And like, see if you can steal that little piece. And then you bring it into...


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[Assistant] Your gym, this is an interesting thing to me, is like, you've been working long clinch in your gym, where there is some long clinch actually, but your, your regular clinch partners are gonna eventually learn how to counter it.


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[Assistant] And so then you learn how to counter to the counter. And you actually also introduce that technique to your gym mates.


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[Assistant] Like, they then can steal something. Or they get more adept at defending a position that's unusual. And I'm like,


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[Assistant] I'm encouraging people, fighters, to go think outside of and train outside of the box of whatever's readily available to them. And we did this, we were like, in New York, we were like, let's go train with Gonsai.


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[Assistant] Once a week if we can afford to do so.


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[Assistant] Your hands need to get, uhm, let's get your hands going a little bit. Let's trade with Ray Velez at the time. Yeah.


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[Assistant] When we were in Thailand, in Atlanta, a big move we made was, uh, you starting to take privates with, uhm, Nung, who's a former champion boxer.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I'm like, well what do you say as a fighter? What is that experience like of always adding ingredients?


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[Assistant] And, uh, one thing that I noticed is that as we add these ingredients, these intents of things like, for instance, we went to Bangkok for a month and you trained with, uh, Char Chai Sasakoon, world boxing. Great.


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[Assistant] Just to learn things about weight shift. Like, it doesn't even matter if your hands


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[Assistant] You learned things about weight shift from him that impacted everything.


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[Assistant] You didn't actually learn the boxing part in terms of actually becoming hands heavy. Yeah. It doesn't matter. The more you learn of a language, the more you start understanding other parts of things you thought you already understood.


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[Assistant] And I'm very excited about Long Clench, because...


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[Assistant] Of the things we enumerated, but also I see that there are elements of Long Clench that would go very well with things you already do well.


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[Assistant] Like for instance, the arm loop that you use, which I think came from Yagwicha. Or is there another origin?


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[Assistant] Two long knee fighters, uh, clinch fighters, but you do the arm loop great, it's fucking like death. When you get into that position, you're gonna score something good. That arm loop and the long clinch, they're very, they can transition to each other without


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[Assistant] Any problem. I think it's very hard for an opponent to stop you from moving one position to the other. Which would mean if you can put them together, uhm...


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[Assistant] You get the opponent trying to salt the first one and they're like starting to unlock the combo and then you just move to the next one.


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[Assistant] And then they have to start over their whole calculus, like, how do I break this?


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[Assistant] I understand you have that experience, but you are very well versed in being able to draw out things from some, from somebody. Yeah, but...


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[Assistant] There's even more to be learned from just moving together but I think that it's important to convey principles.


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[Assistant] Like that's, the things you're teaching people, even if you're not always following your own principles, I think it's good to be teaching those.


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[Assistant] Rather than just clinch with Sylvie. I don't know.


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[Assistant] You've gotta put the elbow in the collarbone, okay? Now I know that. Now try to put the elbow in the collarbone.


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[Assistant] Like, counter the elbow and the counter, but like the, that's, it's like maybe like language, you learn some principle structures of how language functions, but then you have to speak the language.


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[Assistant] For you to teach people, because it actually improves your clinch probably. You're like, I've gotten a little far away from that principle.


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[Assistant] I'm, I maybe should have my elbow in the collarbone more.


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[Assistant] Uh, but it's the idea that the, uh, Thai female fighter is essentially a poor rice farmer somewhere who's kind of fighting too young against her will, uh, does not


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[Assistant] There is a subclass of Thai female fighters that might be like that.


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[Assistant] But it feeds, the picture of it feeds into a much broader concept about how westerners look at ties in general, and tie women in general.


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[Assistant] And one of the reasons why I think this picture of the Thai, of the, what are we calling it? The rice farmer's daughter.


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[Assistant] Yes, there is a projection of the poverty of the Thai female child fighter or young fighter, uh, which comes from an empathy and compassion towards, uh, people of less opportunity. But it, it, uh, the picture grafted onto


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[Assistant] The more dominant picture of the Thai female, uh, which was of the sex worker.


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[Assistant] That built up a picture of women doing something against their will for, due to poverty, feeding their family and that on top of that the two pictures kind of like matched up easily.


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[Assistant] Part of it comes out of compassion, but part of it comes out of a kind of like, the backwards, uhm, people of Thailand, almost.


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[Assistant] Connected to a lot of Thai female fighters and... Almost all of them are...


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[Assistant] Uh, live an unfortunate situation sometimes, but it seems rare.


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[Assistant] Not just Chiang Mai, like, maybe you fought 240 times, like...


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[Assistant] Uh, the Muay Thai female fighter. We, part of this,


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[Assistant] Coach, uh, who I don't think has spent a lot of time in Thailand, he made this crazy ass comment, this was a long, long while ago, a while ago, uhm, that


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[Assistant] The Thai female fighter is somehow kind of like held against her will and he made a comment like, she's basically like a sex slave.


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[Assistant] Or waiting to get past her fighting so she can go into prostitution.


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[Assistant] And actually, Emma and I joked about this, like, another stereotype of the Thai female fighter, which is so pejorative. Like, it said,


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[Assistant] In the interest of, uh, compassion, like, these poor girls.


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[Assistant] But it's actually so pejorative to the actual female fighters.


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[Assistant] What I'm... I'm not just pointing out that this stereotype exists.


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[Assistant] But for those of us who are strongly connected to the actual female fight scene,


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[Assistant] Actual female fighters. It's our responsibility to show to the world


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[Assistant] The full spectrum of motivations, interests, lives.


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[Assistant] Like, the reason why it persists. It's not a monolith. It's not a monolith. Quite diverse. And it's not even...


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[Assistant] It was very common to not even put the name of your Tai opponent. Nobody knew what a Tai, who a Tai fighter was. Like, you would just face a Tai.


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[Assistant] And we spent a lot of time trying to work in this other direction.


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[Assistant] Which was, keep a record of the names of your opponents. Celebrate the Thai female fighters that excel within the fight scene.


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[Assistant] Do you have a main one or you're like, oh, we've said enough about this. To me, it's a huge issue that we can talk on for hours.


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[Assistant] It's a very actually interesting, rich, almost cosmopolitan, uh, community, where yes,


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[Assistant] Unfortunate people, less fortunate people are in it economically, but they're in contact with a great, uh, gradation of, uhm,


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[Assistant] With different motivations. Like, uhm, almost, I don't want to draw the analogy too strong, but,


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[Assistant] Yes, there are, uh, poor people going to college and university and they're sitting in class next to middle class people and some rich people. Yeah. And it's like...


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[Assistant] Now we do not fight reg- you do not fight regularly in a song. We are not sp-


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[Assistant] Ehsan fighting tends to be its own world, side bet driven, some of the very best fighters come out of Ehsan, and we cannot, we're not speaking to that, uh, because that's not our experience. You've fought there maybe 20 times or something, uh, it's, we don't know, but,


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[Assistant] The idea is the poor rice farmer's daughter, unskilled against her will, is like, become, it's a world picture of the female, unskilled female tie fighter.


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[Assistant] And that picture goes directly against our own pretty extensive experience of Thai female fighters.


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[Assistant] Uh, backgrounds, and yeaah, there's still great playground players, but...


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[Assistant] You can't stereotype the whole thing, and related to this is the idea that Thai female fighters are not very good.


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[Assistant] And honestly, I mean, we have a pretty strong perspective to be taken, taken like we see a great variety of female fighters. Thai female fighters are the best female fighters.


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[Assistant] In the world, as far as I'm concerned, and that's my two standards, the elite of the Thai female fighters are better than the elite of the non-Thai fighter, as far as I'm concerned, under Thai rules. And the average Thai female fighter kicks the ass of the average Western fighter.


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[Assistant] Now you might find there are times when that doesn't play out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, one of the problems in assessing the skill level of a Thai female fighter is the elite fighters don't fight very much, and a lot of them, when they hit 20 or 21, they don't train very often. So they're no longer at their peaks, uh, in terms of performance. But, you, that's really a question of opportunity.


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[Assistant] Really? And if there was money and opportunity, you would be seeing


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[Assistant] 26 year old, 27 year old, 30 year old Thai female fighters that were just like unreal. Like, unreal. Because they had the opportunities to develop.


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[Assistant] Is the victory in a strange way, but uh, at times, at times. So when I guess what the bottom line is here, is I'm like, let's complexify the vision.


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[Assistant] Yes, if you have great compassion for, uhm,


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[Assistant] People locked in poverty or lacking, uh, opportunity in their lives. And you're like, they should have more opportunity. They should have more support.


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[Assistant] We should have a deeper respect for what is being done and they should be taken care of better. But let's weave it together with a much broader story of Thailand's development and the role that Muay Thai is playing in it, not only in the


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[Assistant] The female fighters of Thailand have great diversity in them. And...


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[Assistant] It's very dismissive to, even if it's done in a moment of compassion or something, to just reduce a people to a single picture. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Especially one that is disempowering, like there's a picture of them as primarily as victim. And uhm, I don't know, I think a lot of that's what we're doing. We can skip out, we can go on to the next section, which is the last little bit, where we're going to talk about Fight City.


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[Assistant] Yeah, how do we want to approach Fight City? This is a project that we're taking on that has no definite goal, but it has to do with what we want to do


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[Assistant] And it's related to the stereotypes in the Thai female fighters that...


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[Assistant] Sylvie's part in regular Western fighters in Chiang Mai are part of an ecosystem of


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[Assistant] female fighting. And what's beautiful about the Chiang Mai example of Thai female Muay Thai is that it's largely composed of Thais fighting Thais. Like it's not principally driven by the tourist dollar. Yes, there are tourist dollar expressions of


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[Assistant] Uh, of Thais versus Westerners. But it's at its core Thais fighting Thais.


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[Assistant] Western fighter from Chiang Mai, it would be happening.


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[Assistant] Which means there's a living fabric of Muay Thai culture that is, that is strong and vibrant.


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[Assistant] And westerners are kind of folded in on it in a certain way. So we feel like what we really want to do is in every way possible,


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[Assistant] Strengthen that ecosystem, especially on the Thai side.


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[Assistant] To celebrate the Thai female fighter, but also give them opportunities so that


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[Assistant] The fighters they can become and can lead to careers and also to capabilities as fighters that put them on the ascent.


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[Assistant] Like, their careers don't end when they're 16, 17 years old.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so we went last night to, uhm,


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[Assistant] A very high, high value production value televised event. We live streamed it and put commentary on the full live stream.


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[Assistant] And the fights were just at a very high level. We'll link them in the description.


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[Assistant] Part of our attendance in the livestream commentary is we want to bring to life the stories of the Thai female fighters.


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[Assistant] And this effort is actually


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[Assistant] Yeah, but like, it's in the culture of the city itself. It's not just one promoter being odd.


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[Assistant] It's in the culture of Chiang Mai itself to celebrate Thai female


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[Assistant] That's why we're leading on with this concept of Fight City. Because it literally is Fight City. It's like almost like a cart, a Marvel location spot or something.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so we're going to be doing things to kind of like


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[Assistant] The gyms, like gyms are opening up all the time in Chiang Mai, like it's kind of crazy. It's this beautiful ballooning of a, of a kind of like commercial


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[Assistant] But still vital, uhm, fight space. And something that we don't really even know the full consequence of.


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[Assistant] Chinese fighters are gonna start flowing into the city. It's the Chinese tourist destination.


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[Assistant] I'm like, once Chinese female fighters start coming in there...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but especially for smaller bodied fighters, uhm, now,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but as a people, Chinese people are not six foot ten.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the general population of Chinese female fighter when it finally comes is going to be a wave, a stimulating wave of


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[Assistant] We were at Tanada's gym, which was just a small like gym, a little on the outskirts of Chiang Mai, PM gym, and there was a Chinese speaking family. It looked like there were like,


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[Assistant] Six kids, all different ages, male and female. They were all there doing their different fitness slash pad work stuff.


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[Assistant] And for a Chinese speaking family, I'm assuming they're affluent. This is a middle, upper middle class Chinese family who's like, Muay Thai is not a dirty word.


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[Assistant] So, I don't know, I don't want to go too far on this, but it's part of the vision of the growth of, uh, Thai female fighting in Chiang Mai is like, okay, let's not just make this a tourist wave.


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[Assistant] We have to invest in the Thai female fighter. We're gonna probably be putting together the Queens of the North promotion out of Taipei, but also the interwoman tournament that we saw that's gonna be trying to broadcast, I think, every week.


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[Assistant] If we build the profiles and also the skill levels, we want to raise the skill level of the Thai female fighter, uh, so that they can handle bigger western opponents that are also skilled, right?


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[Assistant] Also seem that they have some kind of future, like a career future. I think that's where the motivation comes.


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[Assistant] I was speaking to a potential sponsor about what we're trying to do with Fight City. Uhm, and if you're interested in supporting this, send me a message and we're gonna do some pretty amazing things. Uhm, we have some deep plans about this and it's really about the Thai female fighter. I want there to be five Sao Sings in Chiang Mai.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I want five cha-chank, five-thousand things that have grown up in Chang'e. Totally. Like, the system...


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[Assistant] of the, of the community will produce Sao Sing level. Yes. Like, Sao Sing is a very rare fighter. There's only a few in Thailand and they almost all came out of a side bet culture which is withering to some degree. Yep. Like, we don't even know, there are no Sao Sing's at 15 years of age now that we know of.


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[Assistant] And so we kind of have to like build the, uhm,


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[Assistant] Through our support of what's happening in Chiang Mai and raise the level of skill level and the training levels of the Thai female fighters so it can accommodate the natural growth that's already occurring in the city.


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[Assistant] Like, women from the west are coming like crazy to the city. Gyms are opening up. The Chinese fighters are going to be there maybe in about three or four years. I'm thinking the female fighters will be there.


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[Assistant] You want the Thai female fighter community to be so strong that it can...


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[Assistant] Take mismatches, because they get mismatches. Westerners are physically big. Like, it's just a matter of... the fate. The, the, the fate of it.


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[Assistant] So, Fight City, for everybody listening to this, we're gonna start moving towards this Fight City concept. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And it would just be cool to have a city on the planet, it's like a fuckin' like, sci-fi world, where it's like, where women all over the world come to fight.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but come and fight Muay Thai in Chiang Mai for a couple months.


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[Assistant] And sharpen up your Muay Thai. And then go back to your MMA gym. Like, there's something very cool that's possible here that is like, I don't know, I'm very excited about it. As you can tell, right?


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[Assistant] I'm very excited about it. Established in 1296. That's gonna be the inside, the inside joke. Yea, you guys are on the inside.


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[Assistant] Okay, thank you everybody for being with us on this long trip. Sorry we get a little cracked out. Cause it's a long drive. And what not.


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[Assistant] If you're interested in the Fight City concept, check out the live stream that we did from the promotion, the interwoman promotion. It was just us checking out what it's like to be like, maybe let's be like journalists at a female event.


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[Assistant] Totally, and uh, uh, it was the best.


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[Assistant] Female fights I've ever seen as a collection on a single card.


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[Assistant] Not only were the winning performances wonderful, but every female fighter showed their style.


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[Assistant] In a great way, and there were, there were, there were many kind of like,


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[Assistant] I don't know, the battles were instructive of the differences between Thai and Western fighting, Thai and Western concepts, and uh, so check out that feed, we'll be putting it somewhere, I don't know, it's on Facebook, but I think I'm gonna put up a YouTube


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[Assistant] And we're always thinking of what more to do, which silly loves. So they got an idea.


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[Assistant] Right, because we've never come south, we've never come to the islands, so when the opportunity came and we said yes, it's like you put all the opportunities that you can into that.


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[Assistant] And I was very surprised by how different it was.


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[Assistant] Not in what I thought it was gonna be, but in the things that I had no anticipation for, but loved.


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[Assistant] Where you're like, you're expecting there to be like four Khao San roads.


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[Assistant] Right, but it's like, you actually have these little, like, niches and like beautiful little neighborhoods in New York that people who truly live there basically stay in their little three block street.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you can like, find exactly where to fit into either of those blocks.


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[Assistant] But, so that's kind of what my resistance to Phuket was. This was not like...


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[Assistant] Uhm, oh my god, I never wanna set foot there, I just did not anticipate liking it.


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[Assistant] But I was very excited when we were gonna make this trip down.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and indeed we weren't actually going to Phuket, we were going to Phang Nga, which is above it, and decided to go down into Phuket in order to get crew pot. So I was actually excited to train with crew pot, so my, whatever feelings I have about not wanting to go to Phuket were mitigated by being excited to train with crew pot.


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[Assistant] And then they would end up going to the Hill Camp, which was the second camp that Andy ran that was kind of the like...


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[Assistant] You know, like resort style, go up into the mountains and everything's very minimal.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the, uh, woman, Diana, who was, who invited us and who was giving me a tour of the camp, she made a good point. She said, we find that the closer you stay to the camp, the more training you do.


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[Assistant] Because it matched what people want and what they could get.


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[Assistant] People will come to a gym because of what they see on Facebook or it's reputation or


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[Assistant] Well, this is the amazing thing, is that you have not really gone to Lumpini and Rajadandran very much. But when I go with the gym...


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[Assistant] I'm always like, this is not that different from like, tapé, or, uh,