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[Assistant] And now you got this, this guy, I think this is Pittman coming on a deep cross. And yeaah, there's a little guy in the flat here. But, where, where Houston messes this up.


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[Assistant] Is Justin Reed probably at this point thinking it's post and if it's post he knows this guy will get him. Right? He sees the D-Crosser coming.


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[Assistant] And where he makes a mistake is he kind of stops and stutters once he sees the deep cross coming. And really how it should be played is in a set like this, even though cover two is responsible for the flat.


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[Assistant] Once cover two starts to see somebody cross into this area, he's gotta know he's gotta get like kind of in a midpoint between somebody in the flat and this guy and more or less give up this completion. Fine, you do that because you don't want what we're seeing gonna happen here is


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[Assistant] Justin Reed worried about this crossing route, and now Paris Campbell gets behind him. Alright, I hope I explained that right.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I got a lot of damn plays and thoughts going through my head. Alright?


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[Assistant] Good three level. And look, see, so right here, you know, he sees a guy in the flat, that's great, but he's gotta keep his eyes over here and be mid-pointing between this a little bit. And you can see now, Justin Reed's kinda put his attention to this guy, but he's in the process of realizing, oh crap,


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[Assistant] The guys come back into my half field area, and now I'm in trouble. And you can see he gets on his horse.


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[Assistant] But it's too late by that point and Carson Wentz makes a really good throw to Parrish Campbell who gets hurt on this play.


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[Assistant] Paris Campbell is a superstar waiting to break out and we just can't get him to stay healthy and I feel really bad for him. That's gonna hurt the Colts team.


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[Assistant] Second down eight, alright. And guess what coverage we're going to see from the Houston Texans. Guess what coverage.


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[Assistant] It's cover two, once again. You're gonna get a cover two, a cover two look once again. Alright? And, you're gonna have to take my word for it a little bit.


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[Assistant] But what they do this time, okay, and here we go, I'm gonna show it to you, just try to pause it right here. The receiver on the bottom of the screen is gonna run a deep out to keep that cover 2 safety's attention there. And they have T.Y. Hilton running right down the middle.


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[Assistant] To again, I don't mean to bag on the guy, but he just had a tough day here, to take advantage of Justin Reed. I'm guessing they might have saw something about Justin Reed where he can be a little too aggressive with what he does in cover two at times. If you just put a little bit of a, you know, like, hey, here you go, you know, take this, take this. And sometimes he takes the cheese and does it. And what it ends up being again,


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[Assistant] Is a huge play and you can see Justin Reed here in the bottom of the screen. He's trying to recover.


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[Assistant] Cause he's the half field safety, and this is his side of the field. He's in trouble, but what he did, and you can barely see it, and I'm sorry we don't have the film version of this, you can see there's a receiver down here.


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[Assistant] Ran a deep out, and he just stayed on that too long. And he had somebody underneath who you can also see the helmet there. That's there. So he didn't need to do it.


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[Assistant] And that's where it ends up being still a phenomenal throw.


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[Assistant] He actually recovered pretty good, but it was a beautiful throw by Carson Wentz, who I think is starting to feel his mojo a little bit in this offense.


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[Assistant] It's amazing, right? It's amazing. And they ran this play last week for a touchdown against the Baltimore Ravens. Same play. Same play. And what coverage do you think Texans are playing?


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[Assistant] Really wide. Kind of defeats the purpose. Really, really wide cover too. Okay. And now what they're doing this time is they play true Tampa too. Cause they're like, wait, we've seen enough of the post, the post corner, whatever. Let's get a damn guy down the middle. So our safeties don't have to bite it all the time and do that. And as you're going to see here,


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[Assistant] This is not necessarily on the safety as much, and again, I don't know what that linebacker is doing. If he's supposed to stop right here, and I'm talking about this guy right here, I think that's Jonathan Greenard, or I'm not sure exactly who that is.


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[Assistant] Either way, I'm not sure exactly, this might be a special cover to Call.


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[Assistant] But what I can tell you is, with nobody in the flat, and nothing to worry about here.


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[Assistant] No, he didn't have to worry about this. He was more worried about the post route down the middle and stopping that. You can see he goes there, right, a little bit. He's, he's waiting to have to... He's got, he's in a tough spot. He knows he's in a tough spot right here because he's going, wait, I got two guys kind of attacking my area and this guy's not back far enough.


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[Assistant] I think he's looking for some sort of in-cut or something from this guy. He maybe should just be running down the middle. I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] Really, all you gotta do is watch Lonnie Johnson. Oh, I wish we just played it a little bit more. Lonnie Johnson gets mad at Desmond King here. Because I think he's basically telling him what I was just trying to tell you. Is, I was responsible for kind of the middle of the field here. That's why he, you can see Lonnie Johnson right here if people are watching.


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[Assistant] You know, look at him. He kind of moves to that post route. I think because he knows he has that responsibility. And Desmond King has nothing to be worried about over here. Nothing in his, in his cover two flat area. And the rules are to that that get as deep as the next guy. And he doesn't do that.


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[Assistant] And it's a nice throw once again and an easy completion. I'm just telling you, if they just played it for a second more, Lonnie Johnson right here kind of goes crazy like, whoa, you had nobody to worry about. Why did you not get back here and help me out?


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[Assistant] No, no doubt. I'm not giving up on the Colts. I mean, hey, they didn't protect well early on in the year. They had to play some good teams too. Let's not forget about that. You know, definitely, you know, teams that start off the year, Rams, Seahawks, like, wow, that's not easy. Uh, but yeah, good for them. And I think they got the talent.


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[Assistant] And the way Carson Wentz is playing right now, they can make a comeback. They got a big test this week against the 49ers, for sure. And I think they match up pretty well with the 49ers. We'll see. Catching them at a good time. Yeah, catching them at a good time maybe. I mean, I think, you know, again, I think the Colts defense is pretty good, and if the Colts


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[Assistant] You know, can, can run the ball a little bit effectively on the 49ers. As you can see, and the 49ers are a little bit one of those teams that go, wait, this is what we play, we're talented, Frank Reich's gonna have some shot plays for you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's in the books. I'm in to get the clap it up thing. What you do? We clap it up. Oh, there I am. Look at you. Look at that. Mr. 300,000. That's what I am.


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[Assistant] Might have to chop some shit down, never know. Good looking sword. Thank you very much.


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[Assistant] Uh, alright, that's it. That's it for me and Paul Burmeister. Check out the Thursday podcast. It's the Chris Sims.


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[Assistant] Mike Florio, PFTPM collaboration. Just okay. Just okay. I know, but I'm not happy with myself. So it's just okay with the picks. Uh, but check us out. Either way, you're going to get good information. I could tell you that.


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[Assistant] And I have had the liens on some, some here and there. I just can't always pick the game to bet on. Damn, it drives me crazy. But check us out. Paul, you the man. Good to see you. Thanks to Under Armour. This is Chris Simms on Button, presented by Under Armour. We'll see you next time. Keep sending in the questions, homies. Peace out.


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[Assistant] Okay, Paul, good seeing you guys and Chris. Uhm, I was a head athletic trainer with Jacksonville, uhm, for 20 years. And before that, starting in 88, I was an assistant athletic trainer and physical therapist for the New York Giants. And I retired from the Jaguars in 2014 and had been very fortunate to be on the Sunday night crew on the NBC staff since 2014.


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[Assistant] I think the concern level right now is moderate, to be honest with you, but he really has not been tested. I think you have to step back a little bit and look what he had with that obvious ankle dislocation fracture. And it was an open fracture as well, so it was a very complicated injury.


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[Assistant] Did surgery immediately, they put a plate on it, put 10 screws or what they call a tight rope, which kind of cinches the two bones of the shin together. So that was a very extensive injury and he actually had a second surgery.


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[Assistant] So I don't think it's a coincidence that that being the right leg as a thrower, as you know, Chris, the back leg, I think that's a factor with what's going on and what we're seeing with that right shoulder.


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[Assistant] I have, but Chris, it's not an unusual injury for certain football players, but it is a little unusual for a quarterback, and here's why.


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[Assistant] The, most of the mechanism with the throwing comes a lot with the rotator cuff, but people forget that the lat, lat is short for latissimus dorsi, a big muscle in the outer lower back, and it wraps right through the armpit.


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[Assistant] And I think if you're not getting the power and the mechanics downstairs, so to speak, with the ankle, this being the right ankle, it will affect the shoulder. And with throwers and quarterbacks in the NFL that I saw that had this injury, it was usually when they were throwing a lot on slippery surfaces.


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[Assistant] Because if they're not getting the power out of the legs, they have to compensate it and bring more to that aggressive internal rotation if you will.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you know, both, both you guys being quarterbacks, you do that drill where you're on one knee, the down knee and you're throwing.


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[Assistant] That's a very lat dominating exercise because it takes the legs out of the equation and the motion you do from both retracting the shoulder and the acceleration of the ball is very dominated by the latissimus dorsi. And I think in this case,


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[Assistant] With Lat having, with Dak having a change of the foot issues, it's not unusual that that Lat will become symptomatic. And I think the way this played out is the fact they did, his shoulder got sore, which you guys know isn't unusual for A, coming back from an injury and during training camp.


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[Assistant] So they did an MRI of the shoulder, but you don't really look at the lap when you do a typical throwers MRI shoulder MRI. Right. So I think that's probably why they missed it. The symptoms were different. They had to go back and do a second MRI.


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[Assistant] I think, like I said, this is a moderately concerning injury that I think the rest is going to play into getting him better and getting ready. I have no concern he'd be on the field for week one.


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[Assistant] But I think the big question mark is how will Dak's shoulder play up, play out throughout the season, especially the more he has to throw on the run. Right. Because again, that's going to dominate the, not necessarily the shoulder joint, but the shoulder girdle, meaning all three bones of the shoulder. And that's going to really test that lab.


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[Assistant] I think the ankle should be fully healed. Again, he's had plenty of time on that injury.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jim Mauer and the athletic training staff, uh, with the Cowboys did a great job. Even right out of the gate, you saw him when he was on the field, they're already putting sterile gauze on that open wound. He did surgery right away.


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[Assistant] The concern we saw with Alex Smith with an open fracture like he had, this is a very different story. The infections did not happen. So I think as far as the ankle and his ability to move and change direction and where it is and strength of the ankle,


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[Assistant] It should be 100% at this point, so I think it's, it's the rep issue in the volume that he has to do between now and week one that's gonna set him up for the rest of the, uh, the rest of the season. I think I see them as two different injuries.


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[Assistant] But they're very much communicated with one because if he starts moving differently and slower and has to be on the run a little bit more, that's like I said, the lat is going to, uh, the lat issue may resurface. Yeah, gotcha.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Joe himself is saying it's a mental, mental issue. Those, those are the things when you start hearing those creep out and you see that in the eyes of a quarterback coming back from an injury, that's concerning because there's a couple of factors here guys is number one, it wasn't just an ACL, it was an ACL and an MCL.


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[Assistant] So when you get the MCO involved, now there's a little bit more of that side to side stability factor, and that's a concerning, uh, issue when you come to someone with a knee injury, especially someone who


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[Assistant] As you guys both know, you're stepping into oncoming traffic. That being the lead leg. Right. Him being his left leg as a right handed quarterback. So that's a concern. So really him gaining the confidence, getting the reps that he has to do.


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[Assistant] And no, he feels good because right now you guys know they're out there with a red jersey. No one's going to get anywhere near him. So if you're feeling a little skittish and uncomfortable when people are around your feet, when you're in pretty much a bubble.


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[Assistant] That's a concern when the big guys come to you, hit you for real, uh, starting week one. So I, I think, I'm a little concerned about this because I think he has to feel better and it's just not a, a thing you want to, you know, give him a good speech to get better. He has to get those reps with what you need to do.


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[Assistant] The thing I used to do with ACL, uh, players with ACLs coming back from that, believe it or not, I'd work on tumbling drills.


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[Assistant] Because that's a mental hurdle, getting ACL players and I've rehabbed over 70 of them in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Getting them to 80% is easy. That last 20%, that's the secret sauce and that's the trick that these guys need, especially a quarterback who's got a big target on him when he has that football in his hand, uh, in that position, again, it being its lead leg.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. That's really the part, an important job of the head athletic trainer is to go back to the players.


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[Assistant] Because if the player's not ready, A, his performance is going to be horrible because he's thinking about his knees, not focused on the field around him. Right. Uhm, and second of all, his chance of injury really goes up.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, you have to go to bat for your players and let the coaches know and be realistic. And like I used to like to say to my players is, if you can't do it with me, a middle-aged guy on the field running around and changing directions and whatnot, and you get out in the field with 21 other guys around you, you know, you're in trouble.


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[Assistant] So look at this scenario as well, like you guys brought up a good point and you talked about Trevor Lawrence the other night who took that big hit.


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[Assistant] You can say, okay, you gotta get down, you gotta get down. Well, now you take a player who's running with the football and he's gotta slide. Well, does he slide foot first with that injured knee heading right towards the oncoming player?


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[Assistant] Or does he have the confidence to tap that knee and twist it underneath himself and slide along the ground? So simple things, that's what I like to do, the tumbling with the players like this, simple things that you say, Oh, just get your ass down in the grass and you know, stay out of trouble. That alone is, is a scary, uh,


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[Assistant] It did. Mark had a lot of injuries. Mark had a partial ACL tear and he had an MCL tear in a previous injury. So he was a good example of someone who had to do a lot of these things to protect the knee. He played in a brace, which I assume Joe would do. Uhm, but yeaah, and he was great. Mark was a great guy to work with, tough as nails.


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[Assistant] But having to manage a knee like that, that had some extra play to it because it was again, a multiple ligament issue. Uhm, that, that was a big challenge for him and he, he was a good example of a guy that he had to step back, work on things. He worked really hard to get over that last hurdle to make that last 20% a successful 20%.


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[Assistant] One thing with that guys is everybody kind of talks about that time frame, you know, it's a ACL is a quarter goal, six to nine month injury. Some guys just need more time.


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[Assistant] Right. Some guys can do it earlier, so there's a lot there. Like I used to say, the player have to first and foremost has to get out there and protect himself.


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[Assistant] Before he worries about performance. And if Joe is having a little bit of a mental hurdle that he has to get over and he can't protect himself.


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[Assistant] That's the first thing that has to be addressed before you worry about hitting that out route.


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[Assistant] Well, Paul, you just do it. You just sit down with the coach and have a hard talk. There were times, what I used to do is I'd tell our video director to, hey, put a camera over in the rehab area between periods four and period eight. And I'd have them film what I was doing with those players.


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[Assistant] The reassessment and the moving stuff and then I'd sit down with the coach, hey, let's look at that video and you tell me, do you like what you see here?


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[Assistant] So, you know, coaches are very visual, but bottom line is they're going to see it as well if you, if you put it in front of them and they know that the performance will suffer and as you know, coaches, coaches want to win and they want the best player on the field and you can't take that franchise player and put them at a much higher risk, especially coming back from an injury.


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[Assistant] That was a death march. There was a couple of times, many times, I'd come back into the athletic training room after giving Coach Coughlin a bad update and these players would look at me and say, man, in much more colorful language and say, man, I wouldn't want your job for all the money in the world. It was a march of death. I was picturing that same thing.


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[Assistant] I think he's going to do fine with this, Paul. I think what he had is a little bit of a bone chip in the forefoot. They went in there and kind of plucked that bone out.


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[Assistant] And like you said, it took three weeks for him to get back on the field, but it wasn't very long. You saw him walking around the field without a boot on. He was moving well without a limp. So right there, that tells you the fact that they can be aggressive in his rehab. It was not a stability issue. So those ligaments of the forefoot get really tricky.


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[Assistant] So if you're going in there taking out a bone fragment that there was some question about whether you had something like this since high school.


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[Assistant] And he's moving around well. You've got a good stable foot. This is his left leg. So again, unlike Dak, we talked about the pressure and the push off of that back leg. This is a left leg for a right handed quarterback. So I think he's doing well. I expect him to see him back.


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[Assistant] It's a good question, Chris, and I think if you look at it, when we look at injuries and do the x-rays and MRIs, if we had to go in and take out every little bone fragment and loose body part that's been in joints, we literally would line half the locker room up at the operating room.


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[Assistant] The Liz Frank issue, uh, like ETN has the issue. That's more of a stability issue. The Liz Frank is a mid-foot sprain that has involved the ligaments and the stability of that forefoot. In this case, it's just a loose body part that by the aggressive nature, the way they handled it, I do not think it was ligament related. Okay.


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[Assistant] It's a serious injury because it's a high pressure point. You're putting a lot of pressure on that part of the, the forefoot, which is that area you can see it's kind of like halfway down your shoelaces and there's a collection of ligaments in those areas. All those little cluster bones are stabilized by a lot of ligaments that ligaments connect bone to bone.


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[Assistant] So when you get a sprain there and that, the long bones there going to the big toe and the one going to the second toe spread apart, those ligaments are torn. So you get basically a very unstable forefoot.


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[Assistant] So every time you push off and every time you change direction, those bones want to spread apart. So with that ligament instability, it creates a lot of pain and really you become a very unfunctional kind of athlete. It's very similar to kind of trying to play football with no shoelaces in your shoe. That foot becomes very unstable and it moves a lot.


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[Assistant] With instability, it's a real problem. So that's not something that you can treat aggressively.


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[Assistant] They usually go in there, they put a pin or two in there, they kind of pull those bones together.


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[Assistant] So, so, so when you're looking at that foot in the air, the sprain, the ligaments are here all between these bones. So when those two bones spread apart,


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[Assistant] Those ligaments become very unstable. So every, every time you push off that foot and change direction and twist on it.


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[Assistant] That becomes very painful in that area. So what they do is they put screws in here, usually two screws that pull those bones together and then sew up those ligaments. So because of the high stress on that area, when you have a surgery on it, you really have to shut them down and let that heal very well.


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[Assistant] Now you have kind of chronic instability and that becomes someone that just really loses a lot of power on that leg. So I think they're doing the right thing in Jacksonville with shutting them down, do the surgery, stabilize it, give them enough time to quiet down. I think if they do that, he has a very good chance. I probably have rehab.


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[Assistant] 15 to 20 of these in the NFL and uh, most of these do very well if you're conservative with them right up front and that's exactly what the Jaguars are doing.


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[Assistant] One thing to your point, Paul, is you can have a fracture as well, and one that had, probably the first Liz Frank I saw, Chris, was your, your, your dad, Phil.


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[Assistant] And the kind of injury you want to treat it right, right up front. I think that's what the Jaguars are doing.


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[Assistant] Mike. He didn't live much. He was tough. We all know that.


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[Assistant] I would just love to see, and I'm glad you're doing better and I'm sorry you went through that pain and suffering but I would love to see footage of ridiculously high


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[Assistant] Well, this is, eh, if Matt Nagy is allowed to wear his favorite Monsters of the Midway hoodie multiple times in a given week, I'm wearing mine. This is my favorite hoodie by far. I was a huge Chuck Foreman fan growing up. He was one of my first favorite players. He sells these hoodies that have the number and the name. It's awesome. It's comfortable. It really is.


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[Assistant] Relative to how we've been doing, 10 and 6 straight up, 10 and 6 against the spread, 2 and 1 best bets. I beat you in all three categories last week. I currently lead straight up. We're tied against the spread. You got a two game lead in the best bet, so it's getting interesting.


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[Assistant] And let me just say this, I'm so competitive about the best bets that I will root against a pick that I've already made.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. If it's one of your best bets. I know you will. And not one of mine. I know you will. I will root against that even though it, it otherwise hurts my overall average. Alright, Thursday Night Football. L.A. Rams at the Seattle Seahawks. Russell Wilson, 9-1 on Thursday night. Shows up in prime time leading the league in passer rating north of 129. You've already tipped your hand on this.


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[Assistant] I'm going to ride, I'm going to ride the hot hand. I'm going to let Russ keep cooking. It's stunning that they're only two and two and I think the fact that they're looking at two and three and the basement for now of the NFC West against the Rams team that is three and one. This is a huge game. This is a critical game and the Rams went into


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[Assistant] Seattle last year with no fans and beat the Seahawks in the wild card round. That's something that the Seahawks surely remember. Remember Robert Woods was on with this and he said how he threw the football up into


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[Assistant] The Seahawks family area at the stadium after he scored a touchdown. They, they understand this is a real rivalry. They don't want to lose at home.


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[Assistant] It's the Jets, it's the Falcons with Atlanta, the three-point favorite in their home game at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium with an over-under of 46. 9.30am Eastern, get up and watch a game.


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[Assistant] Who do you think will win that game between the Jets and the Falcons? I think the Jets are a better football team.


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[Assistant] I'm with you on this one. I like the Jets to win. I think what they did last week, beating the Titans, gives them confidence. It gets them to buy in a little bit more deeply into the program that Robert Saleh is trying to institute there with the Jets. Zach Wilson showing some of the potential that made him the second overall pick. The Falcons, I think will give them a game.


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[Assistant] I've got 34-31. I hope it's an exciting high-scoring game on a Sunday morning that we all can enjoy. But I like the Jets to win this one and get to 2-3, which will be amazing when you consider how bad they looked week 2 against the Patriots, week 3 against the Broncos. The prospect of getting a two-game winning streak going.


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[Assistant] And I said all along, Jets fans, all you want this year is something that gives you reason to believe that next year you can be contenders. And we got the first taste of it on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Against the Titans, I think we get the second taste of it this following Sunday in London. Hello London and everyone else in the UK and in Ireland. The Jets win 34-31. Alright.


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[Assistant] Let's pivot to the early afternoon window. One o'clock Eastern. Philadelphia Eagles at the Carolina Panthers. The Panthers only three and a half point favorites against the Eagles who have been overmatched of late with an over under of 45. I'm already smelling a little best bet here cause I believe in the Panthers.


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[Assistant] Same page with you across the board. Shaq Thompson also banged up this week for the Panthers, but I just believe that the Eagles, and hey, they should be proud of what they did against the Chiefs. Sure, they should be. They hung in there.


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[Assistant] But I just don't think the Eagles are ready to compete with a team like the Panthers. And the Panthers are going to want to get back on the right foot after losing a game in Dallas where they were.


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[Assistant] The players, the organization currently believes in you as legitimate contenders. We're willing to do this. We're willing to make this move. We're willing to try to go all in here and I like them to win 31 to 24 at home against the Philadelphia Eagles. Alright, the Green Bay Packers at the Cincinnati Bengals. Bengals getting a couple of extra days to get ready. Joe Burrow showing


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[Assistant] Of the handle on the spread bets on the Green Bay Packers, I suspect you believe the Packers will win, although maybe you'll surprise me. Do you think they cover if you also believe they win?


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[Assistant] I got the Packers 30-23. The Packers have hit a groove. They can't afford to step into a pothole after winning three in a row. The Bengals are a dangerous opponent and I think the fact that the Bengals have been so good


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[Assistant] It gives the Packers even greater incentive to not just assume it's the same old Bengals. The Browns is the Browns, that kind of thing. They're not gonna go in there with any level of complacency like maybe the Vikings did week one thinking they were just gonna show up and blow the doors off the Bengals. The Packers know going in they're gonna get themselves a game. I think it will be a close game.


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[Assistant] But even if it's close in the fourth quarter, I could see the Packers winning the game by seven. I think the spread is too small here and it's under consideration by me to be a best bet. Only three points. I may stay away from it because of getting burned by picking the Vikings to cover week one with a similar


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[Assistant] Margin, but I've got 30 to 23. We'll see how that plays out. Now, here's a much larger margin. Not the biggest spread of the week, but nine points. The Patriots favored


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've got 34-7. I think the Patriots, this is a get-right game for them. This is an extra little bit of oomph for Bill Belichick to stick it to Nick Casario, give him the business a little bit. And the Patriots need to establish something after going 1-3 to start the season. They need a convincing win.


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[Assistant] To prepare for some bigger challenges to come, including a home game against the Cowboys that is on the horizon. If they lose, they'll be 0-4 at home. Are you kidding me? So they have to do.


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[Assistant] Something big here. They have to make a statement. 34 to 7 would be a statement, especially after the Bills just beat the Texans 40 to nothing. I think Belichick is not gonna have a letdown. I think there's a lot of positive that comes out of the Sunday night loss to the Buccaneers, and they're gonna use that against


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[Assistant] The Texans, and I look at it this way, has there ever been, all due respect to David Culley.


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[Assistant] But he shouldn't be an NFL head coach. There was no other team that was even considering him. He wasn't on anyone's radar screen. Has there ever been a bigger gap between two head coaches in any game in NFL history than Bill Belichick and David Culley? I suspect that the answer is no.


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[Assistant] But I will say this, I will say this, David Culley would fly back with his team after a Thursday.


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[Assistant] As I said in the PFT Power Rankings, it rained so much in Buffalo last week, Jack Easterby actually thought he could walk on water. Alright, Tennessee at Jacksonville with an over-under of 48.5, the Titans a 4.5 point favorite against the woeful Jaguars who are one loss away from becoming only the third team in NFL history to lose 20 in a row.


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[Assistant] There's a certain point where the amount of criticism levied against Urban Meyer could cause the players to maybe say... Yeah, but how? But how? This isn't like... It's all self-inflicted.


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[Assistant] I don't know that they can turn this around and muster what they need to muster after everything that's gone on this week. Their head coach abandoned his post and if they do win it will be because they rallied


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[Assistant] In response to the indignity inflicted upon them by their coach for crying out loud. I don't think they're going to be ready to go. I don't think that they're going to be able to hang with the Titans and the Titans got a wake up call last week. If they want to be contenders, they can't screw around with a team like the Jets.


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[Assistant] And, and, and so I, I think the titans, and I think Mike Rabel will take particular delight in overpowering.


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[Assistant] An Urban Meyer coach team. They work together. And there's something floating around the internet where they had some altercation. I don't know if that was ever substantiated when he was at Ohio State.


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[Assistant] But there's probably a little something there between Vrabel and Meyer. And Vrabel, who knows Belichick well and has seen Meyer operate, probably doesn't have a lot of respect for the way Meyer runs a football program, if what we've seen so far in Jacksonville is any indication. I think Vrabel, I think Vrabel is going to be ready to stick it to him. I got 30 to 10.


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[Assistant] The titans win that game. So you're picking, I'm just making sure, I just wanna make sure of this, I'm giving you a chance to put your hand back on the checker. You're picking the ja- oh no, you're not picking the jags, the cover, it's only four and a half. How is it only four and a half?


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[Assistant] All right, next game on the docket, the Lions at the Vikings. According to points bet, the line opened at seven and a half. It has risen to nine and a half. The Vikings, a huge favorite of the Lions who are winless and Jared Goff, 0-11 with a head coach not named Sean McVay. He's going for his first win ever.


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[Assistant] 31-17 is the score I have. Zimmer is going to want to stick it to Goff even though it's three years later. And again, he doesn't have the weapons that Goff had in LA. The Vikings, as you said, they're going to be able to run the ball, whether it's Dalvin Cook.


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[Assistant] Who didn't practice on Wednesday with that lingering angle injury. He says he'll play. If, if he can't go, Alexander Madison had over a hundred yards in week three in the win they got over the Seahawks. I think the Vikings will be fine. They get to two and three and then they


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[Assistant] They get a test in Carolina to see if they can get the 500. Alright, Denver at Pittsburgh. The Steelers a one point favorite at home against the Broncos who lost last week by 16 to the Ravens over under at 39 and a half. Do the Steelers get their first home win of the season?


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[Assistant] Who wonders what the hell Chris is talking about when he says Big Trouble Little China it is that Kurt Russell film and you can get all the information you need to know about that movie on


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[Assistant] Google Wikipedia and I'm sure you can watch it out there somewhere. Alright, I, I think that the Steelers win this game. This is just one of those where they have to have it. This is a Mike Tomlin, we have to have it game.


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[Assistant] And they gave the Packers more of a game than I thought they would, even though the Packers covered. Thankfully, that was one of my best bets last week. But I think that this is one they have to get because they got the Seahawks coming to town on Sunday night. They better get their act.


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[Assistant] Or a different word together quickly, or they're gonna be one in five, just like that, going into their bye week.


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[Assistant] I just think that this is a game that the Steelers have to win and they will win and this is based on my 50 years of being around Pittsburgh and in Pittsburgh and knowing how the Steelers react in a situation like this. This is a game they win and it may be a best bet for me. 23-17.


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[Assistant] Miami Dolphins at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 10 point favorites. Biggest spread of the week for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 48 is the over-under. Chris, do you like Tommy to not follow his big win in New England with a loss at home to the Dolphins?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've got the Bucs in this one, 34-21. I just don't see the Buccaneers following that game on Sunday with any lack of focus. They have got to keep winning. They lost that game in LA in a convincing fashion that I think was their wake-up call, and now they've gotten past


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[Assistant] That week four game that was so much of a focal point had that kind of mini Super Bowl feel to it. They can get back to taking care of business the normal way. They got a lot of injuries on defense and that's not good.


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[Assistant] Fortunate they're playing a team that doesn't have the high level passing game that can really test them the way that a team could. I like 34-21 the Buccaneers to win the game. Alright, last game in the 1 o'clock window.


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[Assistant] Uh, we talked about this earlier. Both teams 2 and 2, the Saints and Washington. You don't know which Saints team is going to show up. Washington is underachieved. The Saints are a one point favorite at FedEx Field, 44 and a half


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[Assistant] I got 27-21 and I've already typed it in, so I'm not copying your vibe at all here. I think the Saints do win this game. I think the right Saints team shows up. And if they are going to be a high level contender this year, now is the time to start winning games. We see them struggle early in a season. We've seen it.


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[Assistant] Pretty much every year, the last four or five years, where they'll lose a game where they're like, what the hell? What's wrong with the Saints? I think it's time for them to start.


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[Assistant] Working toward being the team that Sean Payton needs them to be. We need to break when we return. The late afternoon games for week five, including what may be the most exciting Browns Chargers matchup in the history of their series. We'll discuss those games next on this joint edition of PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button presented by Under Armour.


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[Assistant] PFTPM, Chris Sims on button presented by Under Armour, the weekly joint megapix podcast, 4pm Eastern games, technically 4.05 for some, 4.25 for others, Cleveland and the Chargers, the Chargers.


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[Assistant] Really hot right now, three and one, only have one loss on the season. The Browns also three and one, losing week one and winning three in a row.


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[Assistant] I got the charges in this one, 30 to 23. I just believe in them overall right now. And you mentioned Baker Mayfield. You know, the problem is,


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[Assistant] He shit the bed in week two when he decided to try to make a tackle after an interception and messed up his left shoulder. There's reporting now that he has a partially torn labrum in the left shoulder. He's wearing a harness while he plays. He's compensating for that left shoulder as he's trying to build the torque necessary to throw the football. That's why his play has fallen off.


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[Assistant] You gotta get the ball to OBJ, so what do you do? You stare him down a little bit more than you should and then he can't connect with him and it's not good. They need Jarvis Landry back.


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[Assistant] That, that town's not big enough for both of those guys, and if they don't click right away, it's gonna be a problem. I have a feeling they'd never click the right way in 2019, and we are still seeing the residual effects of that now in 2021. Chicago Bears at the Las Vegas Raiders, the Raiders five and a half point underdogs,


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[Assistant] Over under a 44, Justin Fields now the starter for the Bears. Is that enough to get you to pick the Bears to move to 3 and 2? Chris.


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[Assistant] We got some disagreements. Look, the Bears were a lot better against the Lions in week four than they were in week three against the Browns because the, uh,


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[Assistant] Finally figuring out maybe how not to fall behind by two scores. If they can try to avoid falling behind 14-0 or 21-0, they can win this game. I just, I'm starting to believe in the Raiders. Even in their defeat, I like how they were resilient when they fell behind 21-0. I think they carry that into this game. This is a gut feel for me. I'm doing the same thing.


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[Assistant] That I would take the Cardinals in this game. I thought you were. Because I'm with you. No. This is correction weekend for the Cardinals. It's time. I mean look, look what happened to the Rams after they outclassed the Buccaneers. Boom. They lose.


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[Assistant] Cardinals, they outclass the Rams. Yes. It's time. It's time. This is not a team that is destined to win 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 games in a row. A loss is gonna come somewhere and it's gonna come against a team that knows them well.


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[Assistant] And you can, you gotta learn how to manage success.


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[Assistant] And I know that guys like JJ Watt and other veterans are trying to say all the right things, but the 49ers are coming to town and they are very desperate and they're going to give the Cardinals everything they can handle and I think they steal this one 28 to 23.


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[Assistant] And we restore some balance in the NFL and we'll have no unbeaten teams after five weeks. What more can you ask for if you want parity in the NFL?


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[Assistant] My barber, used to be my barber, he would call this, and you'll like this since you're a big JFK buff, he would call this a grassy Noel game. This is one of those games where the fix is in. The Cardinals can't be allowed to be too good, so they've got to lose this game.


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[Assistant] Busting the spread, 31-21. I just feel like this is a DAC game because of what you mentioned. If the Giants have any success stopping the run, that's when they just go DAC overdrive. That's when Amari Cooper, who has had limited targets, CD Lam, limited targets, spreading the ball around with not a lot of throws. There's going to be more throws this week.


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[Assistant] And this is going to be a very emotional game for Dak Prescott because it was week 5 last year, Giants and Cowboys when his ankle was broken.


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[Assistant] He's gonna be thinking about it, he's gonna be feeling it, and he's gonna wanna have a huge game.


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[Assistant] I think in his mind, and I know if I were him, if I were his age, if I were dealing with the challenges he dealt with over the last year, this would be the moment that I'm officially back and I'm going to come out and I'm going to show myself and everyone else that I'm back and it's going to require a double digit win.


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[Assistant] Prescott has a huge game and the Cowboys win by 10. And I may take that as a best bet. That's a big spread, but I may take that as a best bet.


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[Assistant] Maybe that's one of the reasons why Trayvon Diggs has had five interceptions. The ball's in the, that's, you know, people fall under the impression that if a guy has a lot of interceptions, it means he's a great corner. No, it means that they're throwing at him a lot.


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[Assistant] Primetime games, Sunday night, Monday night, including an AFC Championship rematch on Sunday Night Football. More PFTPM and Chris Sims Unbuttoned presented by Under Armour right after this.


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[Assistant] It's PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button, presented by Under Armour, the joint MegaPix podcast for week five. Apparently you have a trivia question for me for some reason. I don't understand.


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[Assistant] Now, is this supposed to be some sort of under armor tie-in? It is. All I can really do is the only, the only way is we must protect this house.


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[Assistant] Pulling references from the Mandalorian, I, I just, okay, I, I, uh, let's bring back we must protect this house. I like that very much. Especially given my reality of the last 18 months where I don't leave my house, we definitely must protect this house, literally. Can the Chiefs protect their house on Sunday night? Bill's come to town.


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[Assistant] Three point favorites are the Chiefs against the hottest team in football. 56 and a half. The highest over under for any game this season. Chris, who do you like? I'm surprised.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and look, we're both taking the Chiefs to win, but the Bills to cover. I was tempted to take the Bills to win, I just don't think in Kansas City they're ready to do it. In Buffalo, I'd sign on, just like the Ravens. They finally got the Chiefs out of Kansas City and beat them barely. If the Bills could get the Chiefs out of Kansas City,


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[Assistant] For a game like this. Now they got them last year, but it was rainy, it was weird. Remember that was one of the-


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[Assistant] Extra Monday night game during the pandemic. It was just a goofy doubleheader. It was doubleheader. It was five o'clock game. And then we got the real Monday night game after that. But this in Kansas city, the chiefs can't, they can't fall to two and three, not in that division that that's, you know, the same kind of desperation that's creeping into the 49ers. I think the chiefs find a way to win this one and they get two, three and two. All right. Monday night football.


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[Assistant] The cults go back to Baltimore, but not in a Mayflower moving van. Uh, that was 1984 when they packed up and left in the middle of the night. The Ravens are now


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[Assistant] I clearly think the Ravens are the better team. And the Colts did wake up last week, and I got burned by picking the Dolphins to beat the Colts, but now the Colts are in the win column, we have to take them seriously, or more seriously than we were. I just think that


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[Assistant] John Harbaugh, I believe, is pissed off about all the criticism he got for the running play


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[Assistant] Match the Steelers streak of 43 games with 100 or more rushing yards. By the way, Mike Kliss of Nine News in Denver has a story where neither Frank O'Harris nor Rocky Blyre were even aware.


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[Assistant] of that record and the two guys responsible for the 100 yard Russian game streak. But I just think that the hardball is going to be even more pissed off, more focused, more determined. And even though it's not Vic Fangio.


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[Assistant] Or the Broncos, they're gonna take it out on the Colts on Monday night. I think they win, I think they cover, and I think it's methodical, and, you know, we've been spoiled by some good primetime games. I have a feeling this isn't gonna be a good one. 27-16 is my final score.


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[Assistant] Best bets and Folsom Prison Blues pick when this joint collaboration of PFTPM and Chris Sims on button presented by Under Armour returns right after this.


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[Assistant] PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button presented by Under Armour. It's time for our best bets. And, you know, I've seen some criticism that we only take the chalk. Look, these are our best plays of the week. And I don't, I, I look at it, I look at it from the standpoint of which one is screaming out to me. And usually the point spread is too low. That's what it is this week, frankly. Chris, give me your first one.


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[Assistant] Look, uh, pull the, pull the arm on the, uh, what do they call that thing? Slot machine. Uh, we're matched so far. I'm taking the Saints as well. Point spread's too low. One point, too low. The first time I look at it and I say, holy crap, they're only a one point favorite, too low, Saints win. Alright, number two.


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[Assistant] Panthers minus three and a half at home against the Eagles. Panthers a better team and they're looking to reestablish after what happened against Dallas. So I think they easily cover, whether it's three or three and a half, whatever it is, Panthers


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[Assistant] Uh, the, the, the Patriots over the Texans? Yea, New England. Same one every week. Yea, New England. Alright, well I think we're, we're perfect on that. We're perfect. On other things, not quite so perfect. Enjoy the games. We'll see you next time. See ya.


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[Assistant] That's a threat or I don't know what that is. It's a threat. We will read your comment if you're nice to us. If you're nice to us, that is a threat. What's up everybody? We got a good one today. Got some news and notes to hit on around the NFL definitely, but it's going to be dominated really this podcast by more Draft Talk.


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[Assistant] We got some Ask Me Anythings, uh, towards the end of the pod. I think we're gonna hit on rankings first, right off the bat. And that will be linebackers today. LB's, baby! Special, special.


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[Assistant] You know, human being to play NFL, you know, NFL linebacker. There's no doubt about that. Pretty good class. Not gonna say great, okay?


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[Assistant] Uh, but I think there's some top end guys that could really be great. The rest of it, you know, solid, but I'm not going to sit here


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[Assistant] A three week advanced grow-in period? Yes. What? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, listen, I mean, yeah, ideally, of course, you know, you want both, alright? I mean, that's for sure. Yes, and yes. You know, it's a tough blend there. It is a tough blend as far as what you're looking for. But, you know, as a whole, I think, again, you know, if you're gonna make me choose either one, right?


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[Assistant] And we're in the cov- I'm gonna probably pick the guy that's a little bit better in coverage or in space. And then just go, hey wait, I think we can work.


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[Assistant] On the tackling stuff. As compared to maybe the vice versa to what Eberluce1 is asking is where I was like, oh yea, guy's a great tackler. You know, hey, yea, I think maybe we can work, you know, on coverage and things like that.


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[Assistant] You know, that's a tough thing to correct the time. Looseness in the hips, the ability to turn, you know, is he just gifted enough of an athlete to put his foot in the ground and kind of accelerate and break on the ball and do those things.


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[Assistant] You know, yeah, I guess, I guess if you're gonna ask me and break that down to that, I'm gonna pick more of the spatial stuff, uh, to be the tiebreaker as compared to the tackling and thumping aspect.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, I don't, that's a position of no hesitation. There can't be hesitation in your game. You can't think and be like, ooh, do I want to come downhill and take that full back on? Ooh, there's a guard coming.


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[Assistant] You know, how should I play this? That's gotta be a like, these are like the toughest of the toughest, the strongest of the strongest when you're talking about middle linebackers. It's a really...


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[Assistant] Like rare speed to chase down people who are much smaller than you, but yet you're gonna be expected to be, we need you to run with them. You know, that's where it's a rare animal. I mean, it really is that way. So, uh, I guess what we're gonna see here mostly though is a blend of that, but we have some different things in different areas.


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[Assistant] It depends, it depends on certain defenses, right? You know, the Rams, I will say this, they have enough talent in other areas and creativity.


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[Assistant] To kind of make up for their lack of production at that linebacker position, but I would say no to that answer. You know, and again, it's a good, really good question because there are some schemes where it's just not as dependent on maybe the middle linebacker as far as make or break their defense, but I can get into other defenses, you know, again,


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[Assistant] You know, I think if we talk about the 49ers and what they were, you know, in the Super Bowl run a few years ago, oh wait, we got, we got two freak linebackers, huh? Dre Greenlaw, Fred Warner, fast as they get in football. You know, that's really important to that scheme. You know, it's why you see Dion Jones in Atlanta, that scheme. The Seattle scheme, that linebacker's really important.


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[Assistant] Because it's more than a linebacker. They're asked to do things in coverage department.


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[Assistant] You know, they do a different approach and a little bit by committee, they try to find versatile guys to where it's like, wait, is it 3D linemen or 3 linebackers? Is it 3D linemen and 3 linebackers? Oh, so it's going to be a 3 down front. Oh wait, one of those linebackers can play defense end. It's a 4 down front. You know, so they find the versatility guy.


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[Assistant] That can match up and do a lot of different things, like I always go to Dante Hightower. Middle linebacker can smash guards and take on centers like a big strong guy, but then can cover backs pretty good in the back, you know, in the back end as far as coverage wise. And then they can put him at defense end and he can add a little pass rush and set the edge and do all that stuff.


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[Assistant] I guess long story short, sorry for the long answer is, no, I still think it's a, I still think it's a very valuable position in the NFL. Look at the Pittsburgh Steelers, right? Right. There's another team we're gonna talk about.


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[Assistant] But it's, you can find ways to mask it if you have deficiency there.


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[Assistant] But then you get into the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the team that won the Super Bowl, you go, well, I don't know if they win the Super Bowl if they don't have two great linebackers that can cover and do that type of stuff. So, uh, I think.


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[Assistant] Speed of the defense, when people usually talk about, whoa, this defense is really fast.


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[Assistant] It usually means they have really fast linebackers. Because the secondary, we know everybody's fast there. When you get the linebackers that are fast with it, then you start to go, holy shit, this team seems like there's extra people out here on the football field right now.


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[Assistant] Well, Simmons, you know, again, this was the problem with him coming out, was a little bit of just like, where is he comfortable? Where are we going to find the role for him to play? And I think that took a little bit for the Cardinals to figure it out. He did come on though, towards the end of the year.


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[Assistant] You know, and they just, they got them in the middle of the defense, middle linebacker, go chase the ball. Go do that.


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[Assistant] They were very picky about situations when he played and did things like that. Uhm, but that was the...


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[Assistant] The issue with the Simmons as far as the evaluation. It's raw and you don't get to see him at one position to go, oh wait, he's really great at that. You kept going, oh, he's pretty good at safety. Oh, he's pretty good at outside linebacker. Oh, he's pretty good at middle linebacker. You know, he had all the, oh, he's playing nickel here. Oh, he can cover slot receivers.


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[Assistant] So, I think this is a guy that just has to be, hey, this is your position.


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[Assistant] We gotta keep coaching you at your position and he'll grow into the player we expect him to be.


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[Assistant] It was not an oppressive year. He kind of was like a, you know, a chicken with his head cut off at times in that defense. You know, there was a lot, I think it was, you know, again, he's a raw,


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[Assistant] The New England Patriots, remember they upset the Ravens on that Sunday Night Football game on NBC? Yeaah. They, they went after Patrick Queen. They basically went, I don't know if he'll know how to fit this hole the right way. If we pull the guard in at a full back in there, is he going to figure out, you know, exactly which gap is his? I think it was a learning experience for him. And the same goes for the third guy. Kenneth Murray is really awesome specimen.


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[Assistant] But I think, again, coming from the Big 12 where it's 7 on 7 every play, it was a little bit like, wait, I gotta not worry about a screen pass on a pass every play? There's, there's gonna be blocking on me and the guards are gonna pull and they're gonna do all these different things in the run game? I think it was a little


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[Assistant] Like his mistackles to me jump out of my mind and don't stop your thought here after this. But like as compared to Cunningham.


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[Assistant] Who played in this shit defense and, you know, he's going above and beyond and like, oh wait, this guy didn't get this guy. Let me dive in there and try to make the tackle. I missed it. Well, you go, you missed a tackle. And it's like, well, okay, yeah, you missed a tackle, but like he was putting himself out there in a no-win situation to maybe make the tackle.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I was gonna say, didn't get a lot. Barely got the minimum, so, you know, who knows what they're saying there. Any other rookies that were like at least significant snaps that jumped out as far as the position?


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[Assistant] This linebacker in college football.


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[Assistant] It's just a different animal than the NFL. It just is. The game in college is all spread. You know, in the NFL it's not all spread. You know, like we just talked about. You could play the Ravens or play the New England Patriots the last year and go, wait, it's been 12 runs in a row and every run is a different type of run.


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[Assistant] You know, we're in college football. They could go, it's been 22 plays in a row and I haven't seen a run. It's been a throw every play. So there's definitely adjustment there.


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[Assistant] I do, I think that it's a little less raw, this rookie class, especially, especially I would say...


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[Assistant] The top three guys in this class. I think they are more ready and you see more of the things we're talking about on film from these guys to go, wait, they've seen enough of this. They understand and they're kind of built to play that way anyways. And I don't think they're, I don't think the top three, especially


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[Assistant] Really you're gonna have any like adjustment period as far as like some of the stuff we just talked about.


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[Assistant] Explosive, you know, tightly packed in type of linebacker when we're talking about 5-11,


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[Assistant] There's no doubt about that. You know, I mean, there's almost a, yea, the way they run is a similar style. The way their body looks in the uniform is a similar style. Except I would just go, Devin Bush's is greater.


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[Assistant] Devin Bush's is the like, the explosion was really special with Devin Bush. When you talk about, and you know, again, hey, vertical jump, the 40 yard dash, they kind of show that. You know, Devin Bush's legs were special legs and ass that Nick Bolton doesn't have.


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[Assistant] Devin Bush's ability to accelerate was of that of a top running back in the NFL. You know, let alone when you have that kind of vertical jump power, you know what that tells me, like with the Devin Bush and everything like that.


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[Assistant] When you have that kind of stuff, that they are able to, I'm in a total standstill in the hole. And here comes Derrick Henry.


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[Assistant] And I, he's running and I'm not. I'm just planted. And now that ability to like,


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[Assistant] Squat and uuuh and like drive those hips forward. That's where the vertical leap


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[Assistant] If you want to talk about how you can kind of take things and go, wait, how does that work to the field? Right. That would be the one thing. But Bolden. Yea, how does he make up for that? Similarities. Yea, he's not going to be able to do it to the extent of what Devin Bush did. There's a reason Devin Bush was, you know, the number 10 pick in the draft and everything like that. That's why he's special.


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[Assistant] I think like to your point there and everything, there's similarities as far as the read and react ability. That's where you'd probably have to make up for it a little bit. Have to be ultra awesome with his brain.


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[Assistant] He is a guy in where, hey, he diagnoses things and he comes downhill and he's gonna smack you. I love that about Nick Bolden. I mean, there is any way possible, ooh, can I hit you as you're falling down? I'm gonna get in there and get my hit in. So, I love all that stuff.


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[Assistant] Hey, I want speed, top end speed and all that too, but the acceleration to me is more important than anything. You know, again, your game is played mostly


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[Assistant] Between the tackles and maybe a little outside that edge. So your ability to get out of the box, right, and that's first 10 yards, the whole game is there for you for the most part if you're a linebacker. He's great at that. He's got really good like short area quickness to adjust and go get a tackler in the open field.


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[Assistant] You know, we talked about his physicality. He is a little bit stiff and of a straight liner, right? So there is like, he's not your perfect coverage guy, even though he runs well at all that.


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[Assistant] You know, but he is undersized and that pops up. That's the biggest thing. There is, you know,


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[Assistant] The reason he's not a top linebacker or a first round linebacker or anything like that is just because there's gonna be too many, too many snaps on tape of him being swallowed up by bigger offensive linemen. And then not being able to get off the blocks, right? So that's gonna be his issue he'll have to deal with. And even for being a smaller guy, again,


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[Assistant] Not that you always have to be able to take on the blocks and do that, then you're gonna have to be able to win with your elite speed and quickness at times, and it's not quite elite enough for him to do that.


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[Assistant] You know, so Nick Bolton, really good football player. He, he, I would be shocked. You know, he could be starting for somebody next year. There's no doubt about that. But the size and just a little lack of elite athleticism is what makes him my number five.


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[Assistant] How do I want to explain him to start? First off, a freakish looking stand-up middle linebacker. That's what it is. And if you want, I'm just trying to paint pictures of what the guys look like in their uniform. He's, he's the guy that I think is closest to looking like Isaiah Simmons.


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[Assistant] Alright, as far as, you know, the look in the uniform and what they are as a specimen that way.


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[Assistant] Now LSU has a few of those guys, no doubt about that. But just like, extremely smooth with everything. We talk about the coverage and the inability a little bit with Nick Bolton and things like that.


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[Assistant] Man, this guy is silky smooth and the ability to flip the hips, coverage, find the ball, do those type of things. It's really good. You know, so space.


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[Assistant] The game of in space, the passing game, the screen game, all of that.


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[Assistant] I have this run game, Phil, but if they drop back to pass, I'm going to have to cover this guy up the seam or cover him in the flat and do that type of stuff. Yea, he had three picks, returned one for a touchdown. Really natural playing the football. I mean, that's to me where the value is. And then you go, okay, so we got a great athlete here who's got length.


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[Assistant] He's really smooth. His change of direction ability is really good.


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[Assistant] As far as just pure speed, I mean, it's up there with the fastest guys at the position group, as far as just the ability to accelerate, run, do that. So you got that aspect, and now when you have all that, you go, okay, so now what about the physical aspect of the game?


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[Assistant] You know, where is he in that department? And like I said, early in the year, there was maybe, I don't want to say hesitation, but


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[Assistant] Lack of just like, hey, you gotta come downhill here. And you gotta run down and set the edge and not let that guy outside you to run the, you know, a 25 yard toss sweep or do that. You know, but.


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[Assistant] He was really good from the get-go, I'll say this, of taking on blockers and being able to stay on his feet and kind of still watch the ball on the edge of the defense and do those types of stuff. To where you can see like, listen, power's not a problem. He can handle the bigger people in football that way and does not get swallowed up, you know, swallowed up


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[Assistant] You know, again, that's big in the NFL. He's not on the ground much when he takes on pulling guards, anything like that, let alone because of the athleticism and the length of the arms and things like that, he can really disengage, you know, and get off these blockers and go attack the football. And I think that's what I really liked about him a lot.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a little different than the typical LSU guy. You know, because all these guys are just little...


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[Assistant] I mean those are just like, they're compact and just all about, you know, power and explosiveness. This guy is a little bit more about length and smoothness and because of his size has some power aspects to his game, but it's not going to be like,


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[Assistant] I wish he was a hair more physical, but it's not a concern. You know, and then, uh, I just, I just again wrote takes on blockers.


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[Assistant] You know, makes, makes a lot of tackles, not on the ground very much. And I was comparing to somebody else that I didn't want to give it up yet. And I wrote, he's very good at setting up the edge. And then, one of the big notes I wrote at the end too, as the season went on,


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[Assistant] He learned how to come downhill and play more. You know, again, the running back position, this is where I talk about the hesitation thing, and if anybody's watching or anything, you know, okay, you're sitting there at five yards off the ball, right?


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[Assistant] You know, in high school, peeweed league, football, whatever. Hey, I'm the middle linebacker. Hey, I'm five yards off the ball. Here I am. Oh, there's a hole in front of me. Here it is. All right. Hey, I'll just hop up a little bit and when that guy comes to the hole, I'll make the tackle. That's not how life works in big time college football or the NFL. You can't sit there and wait for them to get to you.


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[Assistant] Like, you have to go, wait, there's the hole? I need to come down and stop that fullback's momentum for opening this huge hole up, or


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[Assistant] It's a good player. I don't think the floor is low, like real low. Yeah. You know, but I do think that this could be one of those guys where the ceiling


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[Assistant] Would be like a Dante Hightower when he came out. Maybe a Jamie Collins for the Patriots. And that's as this guy is. This guy's a 3-4 middle linebacker. 3-4 teams are the ones that are going to like him. You know, to be 260 and be as athletic as he is.


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[Assistant] You know, the ability to change direction.


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[Assistant] Alright, he moves like that. Now what's he do with the line of scrimmage and he's awesome with the line of scrimmage. You know, you just, again, for that size.


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[Assistant] He can stone cold stop big time offensive linemen in the hole and go, nope, that's it, it stops here.


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[Assistant] And now the running back's gotta go through this little narrow gap here, cause I've, I've stopped it. You're not gonna just blow this wide open. So he's great at that. I mean, he's special at taking on blocks and doing that. And the 3-4 teams are gonna love that. You know, again, for, you know, for the, the fans out there listening, 3-4 teams,


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[Assistant] You know, you're gonna have some plays and some defense alignments where...


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[Assistant] You know, unlike the 4-3 teams, the guards are uncovered. They're gonna get up to you. You're gonna, you're, you're gonna have to take on a free guard who's got a free run at you. Yeah. And you're gonna not have, not be, not get blown back.


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[Assistant] Or they, you know, like you see, like the Patriots do sometimes, they'll ask you as a 3-4 middle linebacker sometimes to stand right in there, in the A-gap, and be like, no, no, we need you to...


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[Assistant] Stop the a-gap if they block down or double team you. And that's the things he can do, you know, added onto that too. But like, great eyes to disengage, really


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[Assistant] Doesn't just take on blockers to go like, oh, I'm gonna hit you hard and I have no idea where the ball is. Always knows where the ball is. If he does catch them with his hands, he's always paying attention to the ball. That's where he's really, really special. But like, really great in all his movements. Natural athlete in all areas. You know, loose hips like we talked about.


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[Assistant] He's an awesome player, an awesome athlete. He has value as a true edge rusher.


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[Assistant] Was the other thing I added to this. You know, there is something to his ability there. You know, and then, you know, even


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[Assistant] I thought really between the tackles, this was the best between the tackles linebacker in the draft. And we got two good ones coming.


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[Assistant] He's the complete package. That's what he is. Now he, I don't know if he'll be everybody's cup of tea. That's the thing. Because the size and maybe the overall just true lack of speed, I don't know if some of the 4-3 Seattle teams can get into that, right? It's just not quite


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[Assistant] He's, he's just as quick as KJ Wright was, if not quicker than when he was coming out of Mississippi State. So I think he can do all of that stuff. He can play in any defense. But I think ultimately it is going to be the 4-3 type teams that love him. The Patriots, the Titans, the Miami Dolphins.


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[Assistant] No, I think when you start to get to those teams, when you get to the Dolphins at 18, and that might be a little too high, but you get to the Tennessee Titans at 22.


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[Assistant] You know, I think that starts to be Zaymon Collins, you know, cat, you know, area where you could see him go off the board. But like, I would be shocked. I think like the Dolphins have picked what, 36 in the second round or something like that or 37. Like I would be shocked if he falls past that. Exactly.


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[Assistant] That is, I mean Anthony Barr was more the vice versa. He was more the guy who, he played defense end in college, Anthony Barr. He didn't play stand up linebacker. It was a total projection to go, I think this guy needs to be a stand up linebacker. But there you go.


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[Assistant] So, that just says it to me right there too. Man, it's really comparable. Anthony Bahr was the 9th overall pick.


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[Assistant] So, and like, again, Anthony Barr is playing in a defense that we were just talking about. Mike Zimmer, it's a 4-3 defense. It's a little more predicated on your athleticism and speed and all that. And Zaven Collins, that's where I'll argue. He can do that stuff. He can.


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[Assistant] That's what's gonna be interesting is just where it goes in that department as far as what team, who likes them, has that. You know, but one of the last things I wrote was has plenty, he is plenty good enough athlete for a 4'3 linebacker. Size, length, acceleration are all really damn good. I wrote he's bigger and faster than KJ Wright.


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[Assistant] So that was one of the last things. I wrote, can't cover like Parsons or Jeremiah Owusu-Koromoa, but still damn good.


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[Assistant] Right, it is. He's, was always the biggest, baddest dude on the field for the most part. You know? Yea, he didn't have to go into Georgia or Alabama or Florida and go, woah. You know, but, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I think from what I've seen on film and just being around enough, it's not a great concern for me. Not, not that much. No, but that's probably what's different with like between him and Anthony Barr though to a degree and why, you know, he won't be a top 10 pick like Anthony Barr. First off, I think Anthony Barr showed a little bit more


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[Assistant] True explosion on tape maybe compared to the comparable numbers we just saw with Zaven Collins and all that. But then maybe the other aspect of what you just kind of brought up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he was at UCLA. You got to see him against some really good Oregon teams and, you know, USC at the time was pretty damn good. So that made evaluators feel better. It's definitely, yes, in some of these smaller conferences, the offense alignment are not as big, not as powerful.


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[Assistant] And, you know, just not the overall players that some of these linebackers in the SEC have to deal with.


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[Assistant] I mean if you just want to see speed, explosiveness, craziness.


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[Assistant] I don't give a shit about my body. I'm gonna throw it around and try to make a tackle. I don't give a damn if I miss the tackle either, cause I try to dive three gaps over to do it. You know, any of that. I mean, then Jerewyle Wusokoromo is your guy.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's your guy. You know, first off, this is like the first thing I'll say. Cause again, I'm trying to paint pictures of all these guys at least to start it with. Like, I don't know. He could be Darius Leonard or Fred Warner.


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[Assistant] They can figure like, that's where I think the beauty of this player is here, where he is going to be amazing to matching up with


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[Assistant] Two tight end sets or all the different personnel sets we see in the NFL, the way you're just gonna always go, wait, we got him in. Okay, he can cover. Oh wait, he can get in the box and stop the run. There's just, there's nothing to his game that he won't be able to fit in with.


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[Assistant] I mean, no, this is a guy that you truly got to see in a spot and you got to see him thrive in that spot and then go above and beyond in a lot of areas too. No, I'm not gonna lie, I mean, and maybe people saw what


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[Assistant] He is gonna be fine and dandy, and he's gonna be awesome. I mean, first off, the acceleration is off the charts. It's as good as anybody in the whole draft.


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[Assistant] Change of directions, off the charts good. Short area quicks and explosiveness, off the charts good.


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[Assistant] You know, ability to read and react and go make a play.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, it was great, this is where it's great to see guys in person. You know, working for NBC and going to Notre Dame. Two training camps ago.


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[Assistant] I'm there on a random day. It's double session practice for Notre Dame. They're trying to figure out who their next linebacker is gonna be. Uh, and so this is, you know,


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[Assistant] And I'm sitting there watching drills, they're watching, they have the deep nickel backs and the weak side linebackers doing some coverage drills on slot wide receivers.


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[Assistant] And I'm sitting there, oh, he's a pretty good nickelback, that guy, pretty good, really good. Then this guy number six comes up, and I go, damn.


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[Assistant] Nobody, he's big. Was, was he a safety? He's the best coverage guy there is. And then, you know, you ask a coach or the water guy, whoever I ask, like, who's number six? They're like, oh, that's Awusakura Mother. He's uh, I think he's gonna be our starting linebacker. Starting linebacker? Shit!


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[Assistant] They don't got a snickleback that can cover as good as he can. And that's really where he popped onto the screen there. And that's where he's going to be, have great value for, you know, really what it's going to be as a 4-3 team that's looking for that will linebacker that can just fly around the field and go get the ball.


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[Assistant] And that's really what he's going to be because of his speed, his instincts, you know, his just pure ferociousness as a player. Uh, they're really, really special. How about his weight? Yeah, that's the problem. That is the problem is going to be his weight.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, there's some size and, and physical limitations sometimes when you talk about, you know, the ability to play in the box, take on pulling guards and doing things like that. But he makes up for it.


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[Assistant] You know, and the fact of like, hey, the guard's coming at me, yeaah, he's gonna win. Alright, I'm gonna fly at him and take his legs out. Or, I'm gonna just fly at the outside shoulder because that's my gap, and that running back's gonna have to go to the other gap.


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[Assistant] You know, so it's not like a concern to where it's like where I said with Nick Bolton and maybe some other smaller linebackers we talked about where you go, man, he just gets swallowed up and there's some issues there that really scare you at times. He's really damn good at kind of like


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[Assistant] I always find that the aggressive teams, the physical teams, the physical players, they usually get hurt less.


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[Assistant] He put his head right into my head and now I'm concussing out of the game. You know, so there's a little give and take with that conversation. I think that's a good question though. But no, I don't worry about the injury with this kind of guy. Having seen him, the way he moves, the way he's built, all that. Yeaah, the size is a little less than what you would like, but he's just got a great instinct and you know,


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[Assistant] Way above, you know, his size, strength ability and everything like that. And one of the last things I wrote, you know, I mean, he, he's really


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[Assistant] Really, like, really good at playing in the trash. You know, his ability to avoid blockers and, and, and taking them on is way better than you would expect for somebody that you're about to watch at 215 pounds. You know, I really, I found it like almost on par with, with Michael Parsons in a lot of ways.


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[Assistant] You know, because I'm going to talk about Parsons here in a minute, I know. He kind of would, at times, because he's a great athlete, he tries to avoid blockers at times and do things like that. It gets him in trouble sometimes too. Uhm, but, you know, they ended up with Jeremiah Wojcik-Koromoa.


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[Assistant] I just wrote, he could be Fred Warner, he could be Kam Chancellor, he could be Derwin James, he could be Darius Leonard. You know, you just gotta figure it out what you want him to be. But either way, he's at the line of scrimmage, six yards off the ball, just going to get the, going to get the ball.


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[Assistant] And, you know, again, even though like Coramoa might have been maybe a hair more of a fun watch, it doesn't necessarily mean I think it's going to translate better to the NFL. And don't get me wrong, Parsons is a really fun watch too.


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[Assistant] I mean, that, that's why. I mean, there's, I don't have any questions about, like where I just talked about Cora Moa, we talked about the size and things like that. Yeah, I got a little concerns about that. There's no doubt about that. There's a deficiency there to play the linebacker position. 6-3, 246 for Parsons. See, there's nothing, there's no,


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[Assistant] Like absolute zero physical questions you have about Micah Parsons as a football player.


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[Assistant] So, that's what I mean. You're talking about a guy here that is arguably, again, more athletic than Jeremiah Owosokura Moa. Or at least on par with him, right?


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[Assistant] You know, more things in between the tackles and you can expect more of them in those type of situations and things like that. But, I mean, great looking body. I mean, first off, right off the bat.


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[Assistant] Length, stoutness, athletic, I mean everything you want like a middle linebacker to look like. You know, special in the way he moves. Comes downhill fast.


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[Assistant] I mean he, again, he's not looking for like, oh I want to make the tackle but give you a four yard gain.


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[Assistant] He's coming downhill thinking like, no, no, we're, we're Penn State and we're giving you zero yards to gain. That's what we want to do. I love that. You know, I talked about his ability to avoid blockers for a bigger guy. He's actually really special and how he can do that. Now it's also a negative and can get him in trouble at times every now and then.


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[Assistant] He'll learn. I'm not worried about that. I think the other thing that was really impressive to me of course is the speed and sideline to sideline. But also I'm into like,


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[Assistant] You know, you would call scrape, right? Like, you remember middle linebacker, you got scraped down the line of scrimmage, right? And kind of like, wait, I think the hole is coming at me. No, he's bouncing. Okay, wait, let me keep following him and staying square. He was like, really good at doing that, of course, with nobody on him.


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[Assistant] But what I was impressed too was like, hey, there's a guard on him. And...


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[Assistant] You know, the guards hit him on his left shoulder and the running back still running out to his right. He was, okay, fine. You're on me. It's no big deal. I'm going to keep shuffling and I got this arm free. And as soon as I see that running back, make a move or commit to something, I'm going to push off of you and go run him down and make the tackle. And I love that aspect about him.


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[Assistant] And, you know, really can do anything you want at the position, and that's why he's the number one pick, and that's why I'd expect him to be top ten.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, again. It's, uh. You don't know the guy. I don't know the guy.


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[Assistant] You know, I, so it's, it's, it's, that's gonna be on the teams to get to know the guy. You know, the stories you hear a little bit, hazing, things like that.


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[Assistant] You know, again, that can be a broad conversation. Again, these are young kids.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, you can get carried away, like, hey, it's been fun picking on this guy, and now we just keep picking on him, and keep picking on him, and now he's pissed and wants to fight.


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[Assistant] And the knife comes out and it's like, oh wait, we were just hazing you and being stupid 19 year olds and now, you know, it's gotten like serious and I'm being judged by it two years later. I don't know, I'm just saying there's a lot of gray area.


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[Assistant] It's a good question from our guy in Canada, and you know, again, I'll answer it the same way I answer a lot of these. This is where you lean on your area scout. You know, your area scout


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[Assistant] Is going to know, you hope, like, hey, this guy's been doing this area of the country for a long time.


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[Assistant] He knows some people at Penn State that will tell him some things that, you know, maybe other teammates might not say, or maybe the new coach on the staff might not want to say it and rat the player out, right? So that's where that comes in handy to find out like, wait, is this a one-time stupid thing?


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[Assistant] Or does this guy have meanness in him a little bit? And we've seen a few little scuffles in the weight room and a, you know, a fight in the locker room and all those type of things. If that's the thing, if it's that much and that, and it starts to add up, then that's going to be concerning to some teams. But if it's just that one thing, then don't worry about it.


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[Assistant] You know, I think Detroit could definitely be it. And again, this is a, we're talking about a three down linebacker. We just talked about all his ability to stop the run and do that stuff. I didn't even get much into his pass coverage, which is also elite. With that length and his ability to run and, you know, his hips and all of that. I mean, it's all awesome. He's a three down, you know, could be a pro bowl type linebacker.


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[Assistant] The one I got my eye on here for GasCoin, more than anything, hey, the Giants, I do think, yes, Micah Parsons, he's gonna be anybody's cup of tea. But the Broncos of the team I look at at number nine to go, that could be where it really starts for him.


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[Assistant] You know, they're a team, offensive line's pretty good, they got the pass rushers, they got some decent corners, safety's okay, you know, there's a team that's really like, if you really break the Broncos down, there's not a lot of positional need, and


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[Assistant] You know, it's an important part for, again, a 3-4 defense. Vic Fangio.


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[Assistant] He's been in San Francisco with Navarro Bowman and Patrick Willis. Then he went to Chicago and they went


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[Assistant] They signed Danny Travathon and drafted Roquan Smith.


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[Assistant] You know, so I would think that they're in the conversation or tossing around the idea of Michael Parsons as being that pick at number nine. He is definitely worthy of that if the off the field stuff checks out and everything. Again, just to hit one last thing on the player.


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[Assistant] I mean, size, speed, length, great instincts, reading recognition is really good. The only negative I wrote...


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[Assistant] Was like, maybe I wish he was a hair more kamikaze, with throwing his body around. But that's being really picky, cause I don't want that to get confused with like,


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[Assistant] He's physical. He's very physical. He really is. You know, he doesn't turn down any hits or any tackles. I'm just saying, I guess, I wish there was just a little bit of like more recklessness, just a hair. Uhm, and then he can commit himself up into the line of scrimmage a little too fast at times. Like I talked about his ability to come downhill. He can come downhill so fast.


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[Assistant] And oh, there's a hole there. Let me get it and fill it. And oh wait, now it's an outside run. And because you're down in the trash, you can't get sideline to sideline because you're kind of down there stuck in an area with people around you. I mean, those are minor, minor negatives. But, uh, I really look at Denver as being that team that could, that could do that there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think Noah, I think it's three. Three. I think it's three. I think one and two there, Parsons and Owusu Koromoa, are no doubt, like,


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[Assistant] First rounders. I think Xavin Collins is a first round talent. No doubt about that either.


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[Assistant] You know, I just, I guess I wonder how it shakes out. Like you heard my things with the 3-4 teams. Will the 4-3 teams like him? I don't, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think Cox and Bolden are definitely second round talents somewhere in that range. Uh, and you could see maybe another, you know, two or three running backs go off the board somewhere between, you know, 45 and 70.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, that's the guy that I figured I'm gonna have the most questions about. It's the most popular name at the position right now. You know, as far as like when you talk about, you know, going to the news or any website, they talk about linebackers. I feel like he's getting more hype than anybody. Again, you know, the specimen,


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[Assistant] The length of the athlete, the size of the athlete, and then, hey the speed is...


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[Assistant] It's eye-popping. It's unbelievable. I mean, his, his, it's like, he runs like Jeremiah Usocoramoa. I was talking about accelerates just like him, except he's 20 pounds heavier. So there's something really special about that aspect of that.


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[Assistant] He's a little stiff as an athlete. That's the biggest thing. And then here's to me one of the first things I wrote down that started me a little bit on a negative path to where I was like, wait, this is not a top five linebacker, nor is he a first round linebacker, no matter how fast or how high he jumps. Because I found myself like,


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[Assistant] And I think the middle of the second game going...


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[Assistant] Oh, he almost made the tackle. And it was like, I was like, I've said that like 12 times already now. It's like I've watched the game and now I'm starting another game. And I'm, I've said that a bunch. Like in my brain as I'm sitting there, I'm going, oh, he just missed the tackle. Oh, that was close. He just missed it.


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[Assistant] There's just too much of that. There is too much of a...


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[Assistant] Physicality aspect about his game, that I just, from that standpoint...