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[Assistant] Uh, on a 10 place, 64 yard, 64 yard, five minute drive to go up with a minute and 50 seconds left. And as the world knows, that's just too much time for Patrick Mahomes. And I mean, man, look, again,


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[Assistant] I get it as a, I feel for Chargers fans. I did this little...


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[Assistant] Charlie Brown routine of getting, picking the chargers would be good every year for like seven years when I started CBS. Finally gave up.


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[Assistant] And the criticism that ensued, I think Tom Tolesco and maybe ownership, maybe the Spanish family jumped in with this too. Like listen, Brandon, we love how aggressive you are. That's why we wanted to hire you.


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[Assistant] In terms of current playoff teams, actually in terms of all teams, sorry, third highest all teams. Pittsburgh is actually second highest despite, uh.


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[Assistant] I think that's fair. I mean, we talked about the Titans on Thursday. They just, they're kind of trustworthy because they know what they're going to do. The other team is not going to score 20 and they're going to find a way to score three more points to their opponent. Chicago at Atlanta. The Bears are now three and eight. The Falcons are five and six. So this game is a little irrelevant, but it does feel important from a sort of a national standpoint in the sense that Justin Fields over the past few weeks, if I was a Bears fan,


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[Assistant] Over the last three weeks, I would feel so completely different about my team than I had.


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[Assistant] Over the last like three years because you feel like Fields is the guy and he is the answer in the quarterback position. And then the last thing you see is Justin Fields being carted off.


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[Assistant] Alec, like, not even carted off the field, carted through the tunnel underneath the stadium, going back to the training room to have his shoulder looked at.


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[Assistant] He's so good. He's so explosive in the run game where they actually use his talents. And if I was a Bears fan, I would be in absolute pure panic right now that they might bring him, they might rush him back this season, like this week and like something damaging might happen to his right shoulder.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then actually have, you know, started, you can see here on the graphic, if you're watching, youtube.com slash pick six. Oh, by the way, um, we're gonna give away, uh, hit the like button, smash the like button. We have three.


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[Assistant] And maybe five Paramount Plus gift cards to give away to people in the chat. You lovable chat.


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[Assistant] I mean, I know they won't, I know they're kind of rolled, but it wasn't like a dominant, impressive outing.


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[Assistant] Are we definitely sure they should try them out for like, like, like stone cold into a regular season game that doesn't mean anything versus just saying, you know what? The season is kind of a waste. We're going to play into every percent and hate to Sean.


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[Assistant] But just good enough to win. Washington defense picked up Davis Mills twice.


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[Assistant] of the NFC playoffs while another team in the division, the Giants.


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[Assistant] Hey, hey, would you, by the way, would you like to, you know, since the Seahawks are on by, would you like to point out that your Carson Wentz is worse than Judah Smith-Take is like the most accurate thing that's ever been said in the history of this podcast?


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[Assistant] If he plays less than 70% of the staffs, it's a third round pick. That has to be front and center in the minds of this front office and this coaching staff when they say we're winning with one guy, we're not winning the other guy. No way in hell are we playing.


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[Assistant] Carson wins and giving up a second round pick. You know, if you lose out, you know, six and five and you go.


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[Assistant] You know, you lose three of the next five or whatever it is. And all of a sudden you, you have to, you've given me a second round pick much like I would, I wouldn't play them. I wouldn't play wins either. I would, I would put wins on IR, frankly.


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[Assistant] Seven, seven total yards of offense. Humiliating.


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[Assistant] Uh, one more thing I'll point out before we move on from this game. Currently, and I want our junior NFL draft analysts to note this.


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[Assistant] The fifth pick Denver to Seattle, sixth pick Rams to Detroit, seventh pick Cleveland to Houston, and tenth pick New Orleans to Philly. Maybe stop trading your first round picks, guys.


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[Assistant] And then Breach will dunk all over Wilson about the biggest throttling the Steelers. Next.


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[Assistant] But anyway, first of all, I would like to personally thank Jill and Hertz.


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[Assistant] As someone who made a bajillion Jeff Saturday jokes.


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[Assistant] Hey Wilson, Billy and I talked about this before you, you guys jumped on. Yeah, I was the first one on the podcast stream.


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[Assistant] I, they didn't, they, it was, they never don't show that, that handshake. Did you see something otherwise, Breach?


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[Assistant] See this big guy behind him too? This big guy, the big guy in the black shirt.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, but I mean like, but Frank, I mean, Sirianni was in Indie with Frank Reich and I, and Billy remember saying, so like, for instance, this is the example I gave Billy. It's like, if Wilson was forced to do HQ in a blindfold and people, and he got fired because


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[Assistant] Particularly for Jim Ursay, who's just shoving it through. Minority interviews for the Indianapolis Colts is all season. And then they just hired Jeff Saturday. They're like,


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[Assistant] And that's sort of the hallmark to me for this Eagles team is that they will, they are going to have to rush the passer very well.


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[Assistant] You know, it's not, they're a very good team, but.


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[Assistant] They're, they're one of the top teams. They're our second tier of trust.


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[Assistant] In an NFL season where there's so much parity that like, honestly, any combination of Super Bowl teams right now, I mean, what combination of Super Bowl teams right now, if I, if I said it, would you be like, that's not possible? Like, you have to go pretty far down the list.


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[Assistant] Right, that was, yeaah. But if I said Dallas, New England, you would think, no, that's not likely, but you wouldn't rule it out.


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[Assistant] Looks like this, this has, if I'm John Breach, I'm thinking, oh, is this just what we do now?


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[Assistant] We kind of like hang around the first half of the season, then Joe Burrow gets hot as hell. And we go to run and we make a little playoff push. And then all of a sudden we get Joe Burrow in the post season and I get to, like, John Breach right now, Wilson thinks that he is.


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[Assistant] By the way, I'm pretty sure that like, Subajay P. Ryder is being taken over Alva Kamara in 2017 Dynasty Traps.


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[Assistant] And here's, I saw, I saw a tweet, I think it was from like Steelers Nation on Twitter. It was like, there's three players that I would consider untouchable going into next year. It's like Nika Fitzpatrick, um, George Pickens, and somebody. T.J. Watt. T.J. Watt, yes, thank you. Like Kenny Pickens on the list.


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[Assistant] Like, the only person who wants Matt Canada right now is me, because I want Tim Beck on. And like, that's how bad things have gotten in Raleigh. Trust me, Matt Canada sticks.


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[Assistant] I remember you going to reach here, crawling on the sofa, standing with your tears, dripping down your face.


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[Assistant] That the kick return goes to the house. If you give the guy the kick option, the return option versus.


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[Assistant] Like, what, what were they thinking letting Marcus Jones return the ball? An electric play, like a thrilling play, and of course,


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[Assistant] They were, they had three total yards of offense in the second half. I think the Jets and the Giants are the Cinderella stories of the season. And here's a hot take. Neither of them make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] So like, I, I, I don't, you know what I'm saying? Like, I agree with you completely. Like, you do not let them return that football. You kick it out of bounds and make, make the Patriots make a decision.


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[Assistant] Jets are, uh, jets are currently the last team, first team out, excuse me, in the AFC. It feels like they are about to create it.


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[Assistant] The jets, the jets are not, the jets are, the jets and the Giants are, have outplayed their respective preseason positions.


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[Assistant] You have to give Zach Wilson as a second year quarterback the reps to see what you got. What do you play? What do you play for a wild card boss?


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[Assistant] So the Fighting Dan Campbells. We talk about New York, the Jets, and their loss. The Giants got smoked by the Lions.


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[Assistant] The Giants have seven and three, the Lions four and six.


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[Assistant] Not entirely sure how the Lions pulled this magic off outside of Jamal Williams rushing for three touchdowns and Saquon Barkley being completely nullified and Danny Dimes making huge mistakes. But now if you look at the standings, my, my, my San Francisco, a five and four wild card team and the Lions creeping there at four and six. Are the Lions good?


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[Assistant] But it changes so dramatically how the front office and the ownership feels about what, what direction the team is moving in. And like, we're, we're good to have it too, but like, you feel like the lines are going in a positive direction.


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[Assistant] Whereas, like, three weeks ago, we were like, hey, I might get fired mid-season. I mean, these wins are huge.


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[Assistant] Go with, uhm, the date of Judge or Jergoth.


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[Assistant] Who's Brian Dable's guy? Shalbert Irvett. What did he do? Bitched Tyra Taylor for Nathaniel Hackett.


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[Assistant] The Cowboys. Absolutely humiliating. This is, this is probably, unless I'm forgetting something, this is the most embarrassing L of the season. And I feel bad too because, uh,


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[Assistant] Or Zeke Elliott and whoever the hell else the next quarterback that was drafted after Tony Baldwin is.


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[Assistant] They were up bigger than Packers, so I think it's, I think the Cowboys are, so the Cowboys, here's where I put the Cowboys. I put them in the, they're good, but I can't trust them pool. Cause I don't trust them. I don't trust them. I can't trust Mike McCarthy.


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[Assistant] We're being orthopatriots. Dallas is a five seed, doing is a six seed.


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[Assistant] You, you, you cannot sustainably win games by like squeaking out one score wins all the time. It won't happen over the long haul. If you want to be a good team. We like the Vikings. We think they're a good team. They're going to the postseason. If they draw the, if the Vikes and the Bucks play in the, in the, in the wild card round, adios amigo Kirk.


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[Assistant] So we're adding two seconds on to the second quarter. You guys have to play the two seconds of the second quarter right now before we start the third quarter.


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[Assistant] Carolina played Baltimore. No one should care about this game. 13-3, Ravens win. I, I mean, Lamar was not great.


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[Assistant] But you know what? He was up against Baker Mayfield and the dog bleep panthers offense.


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[Assistant] If you're the Broncos and you trade multiple first round picks for Russell Wilson and you lose the...


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[Assistant] Also, Antonio Brown tweeted out that he was betting $10,000 on Derek Carr and then posted a picture, a fat picture of Derek Carr.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a Photoshop fat picture of Derek Carr. And Derek Carr quoted it and said, we're eating good tonight, baby.


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[Assistant] That, that is a fascinating scenario where the Saints and the Broncos are fighting it out against Sean Payton. And Sean Payton's like, fine, I will take 14 million dollars a week to coach your football team.


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[Assistant] 30 seconds. Max. Around the horn. I'll say a loser is... Nathaniel Hackett.


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[Assistant] How you been? I'm good. Yeah, yeah. I thought I would just make up random middle names for you and see how that went. I like Reginald. You seem like you would, that's like an old school Irish name, isn't it?


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[Assistant] You know what, that's interesting, I don't get too far down this road, but it is a strictly sort of, uh,


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[Assistant] Like British Isles, Ireland thing where a white guy can have, uh, an American black guy's name like Tyrone. One of my best friends from college is from England. His name is Desmond. He is as white as they come, but it's interesting. So I like that.


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[Assistant] Um, so I'm gonna start calling you Tyrone. Tyrone Quinn. What is up? You can if you want. You can if you want. Yeah, that's awesome. Uh, fantastic. Learn something new about Brady Quinn today.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get into this. Gonna talk a little TNF preview.


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[Assistant] Talk about Amazon a little bit and how that's going for them. Las Vegas locker room issues.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's sort of what it feels like. Anyway, you know, we're talking Bezos money too. So I guarantee you this probably doesn't hurt him in the pocketbook. I could be wrong. I'm not a billionaire, but I would imagine.


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[Assistant] Uh, the schedule is like dog crap terrible. At least it has been to this point.


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[Assistant] And the good news is it's gonna get better, right? So Packers Titans, uh, this Thursday and then the upcoming schedule, even though it's Raiders and Rams, that looked good on paper back in August. 49ers, Seahawks, Jaguars, Jets actually looks better now than it did before. And then the season ends with Cowboys Titans on Thursday night. But it does feel like one of those things where you're like, listen, we're gonna,


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[Assistant] Make you televise his stuff and it's going to be some pretty atrocious football and let's see how it goes. Cause I think the longterm, obviously everything is moving to watching things on your smart TV.


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[Assistant] And I don't know how much longer broadcast is going to be a thing in terms of the trad- traditional sense.


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[Assistant] But I'm guessing the long-term payout is worth the short-term pain that Amazon is currently experiencing.


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[Assistant] Nah, the betting angle is an important one and that's something I don't think about because I just, that's not my world. Uh, not because of my puritan, I'm just lazy. But that is, that is important. And I will say like, when you watch games, either like in the studio where you get the live feed or even on like the HD antennas and you're 45 seconds ahead of like streaming,


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[Assistant] That's bonkers. Like you're literally watching something that's happened. It doesn't, it's live clearly because you're seeing it for the first time, but you're so far behind, especially if you're on Twitter. It's just a weird thing. I mean, I'm sure like when you're doing, um, big new kickoff and you're looking at Twitter and


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, three minutes is huge. That's, that's, uh, that's a problem.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's do, let's talk about this game a little bit. Packers at Titans, uhm.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Here's the thing and you know, Breach has brought this up recently. So the Titans this week and then the Eagles next week for the Packers. I don't know. They win those two games. I'll change my opinion. But as I sit here, I don't feel great about the Packers even after beating the Cowboys. The Titans are different story. I think I just continue to sleep on them because they're the Titans and they play in the AFC South and they're not exciting.


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[Assistant] Where do you feel, how do you feel about these two teams coming into this game based on where they are up to this point in the season?


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[Assistant] No, I'm with you. And the last time they played in Lambeau, 40 to 14, Green Bay one, Kevin Byard was talking about that. He actually had a little shout out at the end of the coach 30. I don't know if you ever watched coach 30 on Twitter. He does sort of the, uh, I'll send it to you if you haven't seen it. He's hilarious. He does, he does takes on, on how games.


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[Assistant] How, like play by play, how games break down and go sideways in a hurry. And it's like he's in watching film the next day, but a little shout out to Coach 30, which was nice. I'll send you that. It's pretty funny stuff. I'm a great story. I'll check it out.


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[Assistant] But in terms of Ryan Tannehill, so here's some, uh, some fun facts if you're a Titans fan. 35 wins, that's becoming starter for Tennessee Week 7, 2019. Only Mahomes, Rodgers, and Allen, Josh have more.


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[Assistant] That's encouraging and more to your point Brady, Derek Henry's averaging 131 yards per game from November onward over the last three seasons.


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[Assistant] We're right smack dab in the middle of November. So that's a problem, as you know, for the Packers anyway. It's going to be complicated when Derek Henry's healthy and he looks to be.


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[Assistant] Uhm, firing on all cylinders. Let me ask you this because you, you played with young wide receivers and Christian Watson, the very first pass thrown to him as an NFL player, he dropped a sudden five yard touchdown. He had two drops of four, catching fire finally last week.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And he comes from a FCS program that didn't play because of COVID in 2020.


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[Assistant] How patient should Packers fans be willing to be with him? I think he's a good football player. I thought he was a second round pick, but obviously he struggled, uh, with the transition.


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[Assistant] No, that's a, that's a great point because if you're at the top of your drop and then you have to take an extra hitch because the wide receiver isn't where he needs to be, not only does that open you up to getting hit, but it also messes up your timing that you've repped a thousand times and now you're sort of having to reset both physically and mentally.


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[Assistant] That's a great point, because uhm, one of the things I keep coming back to as junior draft analyst, as I'm referred to in the Pixick podcast, is that, like, Hidden Hooker- Hold on, hold on, hold on, what? That's what Brenton calls me, junior draft analyst, that's his little joke. Who, who is the senior?


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[Assistant] Oh, there is no one. Just, I'm just automatically, I'm only a one man show and I'm still junior. That's, that's the, uh.


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[Assistant] But uhm, my point to follow up your point is that Hidden Hooker is going to be an interesting guy to try to figure out because he plays in that.


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[Assistant] That offense where, I mean, if you watch the Alabama-Tennessee game, they have guys on the field side, wide receivers that are


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[Assistant] Literally right next to the sidelines. And there were so many, look, Hindenhooker could throw, he has a good arm. He's throwing these balls to the field side on those in-breaking routes, but there's so much real estate there because of what you're talking about, the hash marks and the numbers and the splits that it creates a situation that you're never ever going to see in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's right. Uhm, that's, those are great points and I'm sure things we'll be talking about for the next six months. Uh, so quickly here, we got, uhm, let's see.


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[Assistant] Devante Adams, first year with Aaron Rodgers, 38 receptions, 446 yards, 3 touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this, let me ask this and we'll take a quick break and, um, you know, we can be as specific or less so as vague as you want to be. I feel like me, this is just me talking here that Matt LaFleur, maybe not overrated as a coach, but he's benefited from having Aaron Rodgers. Whereas I feel like we underrate Mike Frable and he,


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[Assistant] Where do you come down on that? Because I think that we, like I just said earlier, you know, I don't think, I don't think about the Titans a lot because they don't play, uh, quote unquote interesting football and they're in the AFC South. But every time I watch them closely, Vrabel seems like he's doing the right thing. And again, LaFleur, I don't know, just because of Aaron Rodgers, he might be great or he just might be a dude.


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[Assistant] They started three and one and they lost five straight and then they just beat the Cowboys. So no, I get it and I think you're right. All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back and talk about another organization full of stars that ain't quite living up to expectations.


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[Assistant] Las Vegas, Raiders, locker room issues. Here's the thing, like, you arrived in Denver after Josh, Josh McDaniels had been fired. He was there in 2010, I think he left in 2011, is that right?


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[Assistant] So let me ask you this and then we'll dig a little deeper. So it felt like on the outside looking in that, and he sort of admitted this in subsequent years, that he was, thought he knew everything and he wishes he did some things differently. He came across as aloof sometimes and at the end of the day, I don't care, but it seemed like it bothered him a little bit in retrospect.


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[Assistant] 12 years later, he gets the biggest job and this feels like an absolute home run. So not only does he have Derek Carr, who's a really good quarterback, they trade for Devontae Adams. No one questions it, even though it's a first round pick and change or whatever it ended up being, because you're like, okay, this is going to work. He handpicked this place. He had turned on offers previously, including backing out of that Colts shop a few years ago before Frank Reich ended up taking it.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you've talked to him in the years since,


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[Assistant] Did it feel like to you that this was going to be the good fit based on the time he took to figure himself out and all that other stuff? And I would imagine you're surprised everyone else's thing has gone south so quickly.


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[Assistant] They cut him in year four. That's not great. In the middle of the season.


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[Assistant] Because in part, that guys like Derek Carr and Tevante Adams are coming out and saying what they're saying. They're not pointing fingers at Josh McDaniels. And look man, to his credit, he's not.


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[Assistant] Throwing hissy fits at the press conference and calling his players out, he's just sorta taking his medicine and it seems like Mark Davis, good or bad, uh, based on, you know, previous decisions he's made is sticking with him. I mean, there's a huge buyout that has something to do with that get, but I think.


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[Assistant] Part of the concern, and look, this is my concern with the Raiders. I mean, Jack Del Rio basically had to announce that he was getting fired at his press conference to say that he won 12 games with that team the year before. They were gonna...


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, and don't forget the haircut budget. Mark Davis is spending a lot on that, so that's also something to keep in mind. Alright, a little something we like to call Re-Between the Lines.


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[Assistant] So Brady Rogers says this offense isn't sustainable. Now he made those same comments October 3rd.


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[Assistant] After they eked their way to a victory over the, the Patriots, the Bailey's Zappy to move to three and one have lost five straight since they just beat the Cowboys, as I mentioned earlier.


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[Assistant] And Rodgers wasn't super pumped about how that went down. What does this mean to you?


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[Assistant] You can correct me if I'm wrong, but you're of the opinion that those sort of sideline spats, that, uh, we talked previously, you and I, about Tommy Reese and, um, and, uh, Drew Pine. Drew Pine, thank you. And then of course, Kyler and Cliff.


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[Assistant] No issue for you, that's just football, or are there variations based on the circumstances?


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[Assistant] What would happen if you came off the field and said to Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame, calm the F down? Like literally, what would happen?


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[Assistant] I love it. I've never seen you not be, you know, super cool under pressure. So I, I look forward to the day when...


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[Assistant] Uh, before we move on to Mayor Rogers, let me ask you this. Uh, he made comments about the grass fields, and I'm with him 100% as an old person who was torn in their ACL previously. I don't understand why owners who are so money-conscious


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[Assistant] In terms of the player investment are so short-sighted about these turf fields because they can put out all the studies they want. There's no one disputing that turf is in any way equal to or better than, than grass fields. What do you think about his comments on that?


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[Assistant] Yeah. In fact, there's a time prior to, I don't, I don't know if you were in the league or not, but Brian Billik when he's the coach of the Ravens actually refused to play a preseason game because the field not in Baltimore, but wasn't much, uh, wasn't such disarray.


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[Assistant] Alright, we got ten minutes, Brady. Let's do some more of these, uh, Read Between the Lines here. Ron Rivera!


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[Assistant] Sort of talking about the quarterback situation and he's mentioned something about momentum.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Taylor Heinecke has momentum. You can see it here. You look at what is best for the team and that's how it has to be. Whoever starter is, I will commit to them fully. I don't want them looking over their shoulder. Carson Wentz coming off the finger surgery. Is there any way possible that you're going back to Carson? Carson Wentz, excuse me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Wince can't catch a break, and I think part of the issue is the frustration.


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[Assistant] Wince is obviously frustrated, but the team's so desperate to find a quarterback that they're willing to talk themselves into players that probably aren't starting quarterback caliber anymore. No disrespect to Carson Wince, but that's just the reality. I wondered coming into the season if there was going to be a huge difference in terms of productivity and you know, here we are. It's the same old same old.


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[Assistant] No, I agree with you, uh, absolutely, but that's, you know.


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[Assistant] You don't blame the guy cashing the checks, you blame the guy writing them and that's all.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not only that, as he's recovering, Nick, Nick freaking folds leads the team to a Superbowl. I mean, you can't, you can't even make that stuff up. Also something you can't make up. The Vikings are eight and one. And oh, by the way, they're getting points at home. How do you, how do you explain that one?


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[Assistant] I feel like this is a play by Vegas to appeal to Cowboys fans and like it's an audience of one.


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[Assistant] Cowboys fans, things that they're going to bounce back after the Packers game. Our guy, Steven O sports line, he does millions of simulations. Uh, the first thing he says in the write-up is, uh, in all caps, Minnesota insulted as a home underdog and should cover. And he also notes in his notes that, uh, Dallas has run defense is basically, they're terrible. They allow five yards per carry. Dalvin cook is going to go crazy.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. All right, finally, let's stay in the old NFC North here. Matt LaFleur. So he moved on from Amari Rogers, who had eight catches and seven fumbles in his career, I think.


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[Assistant] That typically doesn't keep you on the football team very long. But he also cut Kylan Hill, and he didn't speak in specifics, but he said it was, being a Packer is a privilege. And Billy put the quote on the screen here. It's a tough deal. I would say this, being a member of the Great Packers is a privilege. As someone who's been in a lot of locker rooms, like, is this like, what's up? What's up?


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[Assistant] He's a rookie, if I'm not mistaken. No, no, he's a second or third year guy. Second year player? Yea, he's like a day, he's a day three guy. Let me double check. But I, I'm Mississippi State, right?


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[Assistant] 2021 draft south round pick. He was actually one of the last players drafted.


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[Assistant] Yup. That's right. All right. That's it for the old Brady Quinn football show. By the way, I think you've actually sold me on, on Matt LaFleur having to do a lot more than just X and O's in terms of dealing with the unicorn. And then I think you make a good point that if he is in fact setting an example of this in a message to the rest of the rest of the crew that, you know, this ain't, uh, this ain't fantasy island. You can't just show up when you want to, but, um,


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[Assistant] Uh, but that's it for the old Brady Quinn football show. Uh, Tyrone, it was good to see you, my man and uh, yeah, we'll talk soon. All right.


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[Assistant] What's up, everybody? Welcome to the pick six podcast. CBS Sports Daily NFL podcast. I'm Wilbrenson. I'm your host. This is the week eight recap. If you're listening to if you're listening to the pot, it's Halloween. Happy Halloween. If you're watching the podcast, it may still be Halloween because as you can see, John breeches dressed up like a danger mouse.


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[Assistant] Mickey Mouse? Hello Brinson, my guy. Just kidding. Uh, are you wearing like a, are you just in an all black?


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[Assistant] Nope, there's my yellow boots. I got my...


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[Assistant] Checking out the YouTube version, youtube.com slash picks six because Breach just showed us his, um, his Mickey Mouse bloomers.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is sometime around the time when I ran the 49640 system.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, that's right, that actually took place in space.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ryan Wilson, of course, here as well. I'll give the, I told the story on the earlier, you might want to hear the story, but it won't be fun soon. No, move on.


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[Assistant] Here, I will tell you. So the games I came up with, I wanted Belichick against the Jets.


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[Assistant] Revenge is loose, right? Spike can count too. Uhm, I wanted Geno Smith against the Giants and I was justified in that sense because he even came out and said that was for Ben McAdoo and, uh, and, uh, Jerry Reese.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so like he did want revenge for him. He had eaten, uh, RJ vetoed that one. They also vetoed another one. I can't remember which one it was. Um, but I had, uh, Dennis Allen against the Raiders. These are all money lines.


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[Assistant] Oh, there's two games and I was like, I was like, I mean, they're going to veto the Gino thing. I was like, Hey, could, um,


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[Assistant] Could I, I was like, you know, I w I was going to do wince against his old team and because.


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[Assistant] I think you can do, put the commandos in there, get revenge against the Colts for trading them with. And so I did that. And so Washington, the saints and the Patriots, 61, first ever revenge parlay cash.


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[Assistant] Because Pete hates it, RJ hates it, and EK hates it. Our boss.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to tweet this out. Talk about the bills and, uh, Packers got smoked. We're not smoking. They covered actually, which is, um, kind of surprising because they were getting smoked man, but like the bills.


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[Assistant] That felt, the entire second half felt like the Bills kind of messing around while the Packers were busy trying to run the football to come back from down 17.


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[Assistant] Also the, they attempted to throw on third down with like two 35 left. They could have run the clock down to the two minute warning. Like, I mean, I know you, you got the game under control. They're probably not going to score twice when they scored, you know, 17 points. And one was that Torrey bomb, but like, man.


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[Assistant] No way. The bills are trying to set trying to second half y'all. That's they couldn't close. I mean, I don't think that they were like.


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[Assistant] Just like, I do think that they were trying. They wanted to close because they were going forward and forth. They were trying to pick up these first downs.


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[Assistant] The thing, the thing that concerns me, and I mean, it's, it's good to be like aggressive and not be super conservative in that spot and just try to run the clock out and, but like,


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[Assistant] An 11 play 48 yard drive that lasted 6 minutes and 47 seconds.


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[Assistant] They're, they're opening drive of the fourth quarter and resulted in a turnover on downs at the Buffalo 26. You see that and you're, if you're Buffalo.


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[Assistant] It's just like, you don't wanna, we've seen Buffalo.


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[Assistant] Take, and I don't, not that they take teams like League of the Playoffs, but like, they've scored nine points, so at six points he gets the Jaguars last year.


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[Assistant] Just, I don't think they're like non-serious or anything like that. It's just, you know, knowing how to close out matters and the Packers in theory should be a playoff caliber team, although they don't look like that.


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[Assistant] They think the bills are trying to run it up because of the J. Alexander, just because of like that stuff.


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[Assistant] It's an inside revenge game. Yeah. It's a game. It's a revenge game inside the game.


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[Assistant] Well, I think that's a pretty good take. Yeah, we can move to the Packers. I think the, the Bills are fine. Uh, if, if you're nitpicking, they didn't, they didn't close out some of those drives and that they didn't, or they score three points in the second half. Bang! Look it, we love to see it!


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[Assistant] Nicholas hit the revenge game parlor. You'd love to see it. Um, I guess I can't, better moving forward. Uh, the, um,


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[Assistant] But the, like, they did give up a bunch of big runs in the second half. I don't necessarily think that's a huge red flag. Just, just worth noting. I think the Bills, uhm. Here's the thing. Let's move to the Packers though, because we're already, we're already 10 minutes into this. And the Packers is, they were 10 and a half point underdogs. They covered by a half a point.


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[Assistant] It was, you know, they, it never felt like they should cover or that they were really in the game. I do think that.


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[Assistant] Even though this is up against the best team in football, that we believe is the best team in football, most people do anyway, that the, I mean, it's not a very good loss for the Packers and that they are in a big heap and pile of trouble.


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[Assistant] I pointed this out a lot on this show, just because I found it fascinating. But, um, Jordy Nelson told me and Adam Azer, I think in 2020 or 2021, one of his MVP years for Rogers that we were like, what's the deal? Why won't they draft our receivers? He said,


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[Assistant] He's like he wants to be with guys he's worked with a bunch who know how to.


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[Assistant] And he starts and he rolls. He wants guys to create a second route to sort of freelance with him. And Torrey did that. He's like the only guy who's done that of these younger wide receivers. That's how he got over for the touchdown. And you saw, you heard Collins worth and, and, uh, and Tariqa talk about it. You saw, um, Rogers go up to him, like obviously you pump, you score a touchdown, but he clearly did the thing that Rogers wants him to do. And.


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[Assistant] Even though they've always drafted these receivers in the second round and brought guys in and developed them, et cetera, et cetera. They always had one guy.


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[Assistant] Who was a stalwart wide receiver for Rogers, whether it was like Donald Driver, it was there until Greg Jennings was ready to take over. Jennings was there until Jordy was ready to take over. Jordy was there until Adams was ready to take over. And they just don't have that now. And I think that is, it's clearly missing because the offensive line problems are an issue as well. But this is, this is not a very good football team.


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[Assistant] And that clearly hasn't happened. They clearly need an Alpha wide receiver for Aaron Rodgers. They don't have it. They lost it when Adams wanted to get out and they're trying to figure it out and it's getting late into, uh, to paraphrase. Oh gosh. What's your name? Scarlett Johansson in the Avengers. It's getting, it's getting late early. What kind of Marvel guy are you?


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[Assistant] 34, 26. Oh, wait a minute. Or the Vikings were the other team on the revenge game. It was the Saints Vikings in. Pat P. Pat P. Revenge game. Yeah.


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[Assistant] What don't you totally believe in when it comes to the Vikings? They're now six and one. They're probably the second best team in the NFC.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeah, okay, when we get to the playoffs, depending on the matchup, depending on the timing of the game.


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[Assistant] Of course, it is difficult to trust Kirk Cousins in a playoff game in a primetime spot in a big moment.


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[Assistant] There's just not a whole lot of great teams in the NFC. Not that there's a bunch of great teams in the AFC per se. No, I agree with that. That's right. But the Eagles are, I mean, the Eagles are still undefeated. The Cowboys look like, uh,


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[Assistant] I mean, but they're, they're going to be around. I mean, they're not going anywhere. They got Dak back and that defense made enough plays. But the point being is that like, I just, I mean, I think the Seahawks and the Falcons are winning the other two divisions right now.


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[Assistant] If, if some, by some, you know, if somehow Rogers and Brady turn it around, maybe it's a little bit different, but I think the, I think, I mean, I think the Vikings are.


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[Assistant] Assuming that, you know, Justin Jefferson and Daven Cook stay healthy.


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[Assistant] And they can, like the scheme works for Kirk Cousins. He's, you know, it's not, he's not, he's not fighting an uphill battle against Mike Zimmer. He's not fighting his coach. Yeah. Like he and Kevin O'Connor are boys, by the way, revenge game for them next week.


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[Assistant] Is very balanced, has some elite weapons, can hang, has great home field advantage. That place is tough to play in. It's so, so bright there. Cliff King's ready to wear shades. Skull! And


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm not saying that, and there's six in one with the Packers completely like imploding.


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[Assistant] Uhm, let's see, keep going if you want. I was just going to point out, I was going to look at, uhm... Breach, any concerns about my... I found it, sorry. 64% Eagles get the first round by, this is perth538.com.


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[Assistant] 19% the Cowboys get it, 12% the Vikings get it, and then the 49ers, uh, .8%. So, I mean.


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[Assistant] If you get Kurt Cousins that first round by, and he's got a home field advantage throughout, maybe the scheduling gods are kind to you.


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[Assistant] I think, I think there's a chance, not a chance, I think it's the fact that the Vikings, I'll tell you what it is. The Vikings last year were so, I'm sorry, like so, uh, sort of, uh, not schizophrenic, but like, uh,


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[Assistant] They were so up and so down and so all over the place. And you knew the only thing you knew every week was they were going to be involved in a one score game and there was going to be insanity at the end. And if the other team scored on the Vikings, they were going to crank it up and put up a ton of points. And now it feels like they were a lot more balanced.


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[Assistant] And they're winning these one score games. They feel a lot calmer, which also.


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[Assistant] I think makes them a little less exciting or enticing to, to look at because they're not as.


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[Assistant] He sprinted into the end zone where he played an imaginary video game controller in front of the cameras. I think it was Call of Duty. That's what they call it. Modern Warfare. I'm not a gamer, so I don't know anything about that. Peterson smiled. I heard that game just came out. Oh, that is cruel.


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[Assistant] He looked at the, uh, the cardinal sideline because


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[Assistant] He felt disrespected on the way out of town, and he wanted to go out there and get him.


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[Assistant] Team is a lot of talent. Vikings are good. Packers look bad. They're gonna cruise the division. Cardinals...


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[Assistant] Well, and I, I was, um, apparently there was a, uh, a lady ref who somebody joked with, like, like gave Cliff like a very, like somebody was joking about it. So I was looking for that. I searched Cliff, just like Cliff, K-L-I-F-F on Twitter.


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[Assistant] Yeah. If ownership is like adamant that somebody's got to go, then Cliff's the guy who's got to go. Cause you can really say Kyler's here. It's an attractive job. And kind of has been there since, um, I want to say that he started a scout there under, um, okay. Who's the old GM there? Oh, it's been so long.


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[Assistant] Next, we'll take a break and we'll come back more games next.


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[Assistant] This is an extremely attractive gentleman that gets to coach football for a living. Are you admitting that Cliff is more attractive than you? I am. I think I've said that.


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[Assistant] Steelers in a game where AJ Brown just absolutely took over. And I think Wilson, I'm assuming you dialed into this one.


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[Assistant] I can't believe this game ended up being the worst game between this and Falcon's Panthers, the early one o'clock games I had locally. But I thought Jalen Hurts, one of his best games as a passer in this game.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Bills are the best team in the NFL. Eagles are definitely the best team in the NFC. Look at Billy's face. I picked the Eagles to go to the Super Bowl, man. No.


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[Assistant] He's like, Canada, Canada stayed, like Canada didn't go home this week and he's like, he's like, all right, I don't have a lot, but I've got this.


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[Assistant] By the way, just for statistical purposes, uh, AJ Brown.


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[Assistant] The first egos player, Billy, stop. Get out of here, Mr. CR.


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[Assistant] First Eagles player with three receiving touchdowns in any half since Kevin Curtis in 2007. And since 2019, Brown scored 12 receiving touchdowns of 25 plus yards. Only Tyree Kill with 15 has more over that span. Very great player. Titans could abuse him. Another great player who scored three touchdowns. Alvin Kamara as the Saints. Not only routed, but skunked.


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[Assistant] The Las Vegas Raiders 24 to nothing at pretty good performance by your boy, Andy Dalton Breach. What do you, uh, what do you think about, uh, old Dalton?


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[Assistant] By the way, you can, uh, you know, Derek Carr got a contract extension this past off season, didn't he?


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[Assistant] Because, you know, the Carr family already hates me and, you know, I thought Derek Carr was going to have a great season. As it turns out, I was just dead wrong.


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[Assistant] Not once in any reporting within 24 to 72 hours of the contract of students for Derek Carr was anything about guaranteed money mentioned.


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[Assistant] That is, that never happens with NFL contracts. They didn't mention a single thing about the guaranteed money. And there is an out after this year.


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[Assistant] I think one of them is uh, is Dave, is it Dave Zeigler? Is it Zeigler? Is it Dave Zeigler from New England? Like he came over with McDaniels. Like you have this disastrous run for


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[Assistant] Like two decades and then you bring in John Gruden thinking you saved the Raiders. They're not very good. Gruden goes out in a, uh,


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[Assistant] Humiliating fashion and, and like, you know, just, I mean, just like a scandalous fashion. And then you bring in Josh, you, you lure Mcgainless away from new England for a second trip as a head coach. You can't go one and done on it, but the two meetings are definitely a red flag.


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[Assistant] I mean, you can. I do think the same sort of thing applies with the Cardinals as it does with the Raiders in the sense that


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[Assistant] We'll talk about this on the Monday show. Josh McDaniel, Josh McDaniel and Cliff Kingsbury's job status.


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[Assistant] So listen to this, this quote, this is, uh, from Ritsumini of ESPN.


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[Assistant] Interesting quote from Zach Wilson, re the second and third interceptions.


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[Assistant] Every time I get out of the pocket, it just gets frustrating. Just throw the ball away.


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[Assistant] That's what I've done the last four weeks to put us in a good position to not turn the ball over and for us to win.


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[Assistant] So I need to be able to keep doing that when something's not there. It gets old getting out and not seeing anything there. That is a problem.


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[Assistant] Let's point out too that there was a moment, I believe in the second quarter when Mack Jones made a Zach Wilson-esque interception that was housed and then called back for roughing the passer.


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[Assistant] I think it's weird though, people were asking about Justin Fields in the chat and how like he made Belichick, like he did well against Belichick. Uh, Robert Kraft pointed out in his post game when he gave a game ball to Belichick. Have you guys seen that video by the way?


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[Assistant] Uh, Belichick after he, so he gives a game ball to Matt Slater, who now has a sec played in the second most games of any Patriot of all time. I assumed that the first is Tom Brady. Um, and then they were like crafting every game about a Belichick.


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[Assistant] And after they got done, Belichick's like, all right, all right, all right, all right. Uh, but he, he said, he's like, I think Papa Bear George Hollis was, was there on Monday, making sure that didn't happen. He still got some sway. Uh, but then afterwards McCordy and, um, McCordy and Slater started dousing Belichick with like water bottles in the middle of the locker. It was kind of, it's kind of an awesome video. I highly recommend checking it out. But the point being is that fields,


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[Assistant] Like many of the quarterbacks who have given Belichick fits really the first and second year quarterbacks who have given Belichick fits is a mobile quarterback. And that'd be interesting to see with Sam Eliger this coming week, but.


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[Assistant] Those guys typically the pocket passers, the early.


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[Assistant] First and second year pocket passers, Belichick just, I mean, chews up, chews them up and spits them out.


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[Assistant] Everything that's going on with him is obviously a huge red flag.


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[Assistant] His level of play is a red flag, but I'm not going to put too much stock in a game against Belichick and the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Oh, Drew Locke! Drew Locke! We saw that on the thing. Alright, uh, move on. I think Zach Wilson is gonna be, I don't know, it's a tough spot for the Jets.


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[Assistant] Okay, yeah, Mike White's definitely gonna beat the Bills and the Patriots. Alright, we're gonna take a break when we come back. Oh, poor Dan Campbell. Next.


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[Assistant] Lion's 24. He said Dane Campbell. It's like, who was that? Dan Campbell. Uhm. Dan Swanbrother.


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[Assistant] And then Tua and Tua and Jalen Waddle answered quickly.


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[Assistant] What do you guys think about this tweet? Oh god.


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[Assistant] March 23rd. No, actually, uh, podcast listener said it was like, you already talked about this today.


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[Assistant] I, I do think it's the combination of, uh, of, uh, of Tyreke and Mike McDaniel though, that offense and giving.


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[Assistant] Because we talk about how, you know, people like to rip on Jimmy G or whatever, but Jimmy G operates as a point guard in Kyle Shanahan system and to a much higher pedigree of player in terms of where he's drafted. I agree.


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[Assistant] But like, he's a, he operates so well as a point guard.


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[Assistant] Justin Herbert is so lethal down the field and Joe Lombardi just won't let him cut loose.


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[Assistant] Is, if two were in like a Bruce Arians offense, it would probably not work great. But in a Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan style offense, where he operates as a point guard and distributes underneath and lets his playmakers make moves and then understands when to take those shots. And Mike McDaniel is catering to his strengths. It's good coaching.


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[Assistant] And so the idea is that they trade for golf, knowing they would get picks back from the lot from the, from the Rams, obviously. And then the golf who GM Brad Holmes was there when he drafted him, they like him enough and believe that he could be the guy who in theory.


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[Assistant] allowed them to win some games and just sort of, you know, build some culture while they decided who they wanted to pick without being desperate to take somebody in the first round.


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[Assistant] I still think that's, that's what they're trying to do, but the problem is they're just not winning games. But it's not, I don't think it's golf's fault.


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[Assistant] I don't think so either, I just- I think he's played- he's exceeded expectations. There-


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[Assistant] They're just, I think they're going to keep golf as long as they can and then.


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[Assistant] Hope to evaluate a quarterback that will fit.


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[Assistant] What they want in the QB and also where they are in the draft. Like if they're the first to roll pick and they like one of these guys, they're probably going to take a quarter.


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[Assistant] But I think that's kind of my point is that the lions don't want to be forced into taking CJ Stroud over Will Anderson if they have the first overall.


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[Assistant] But, you know, like, ain't nobody, you know, uh, we've got Will Levis at Kentucky, Hayden Hooker at Tennessee, and I don't know, I don't know if these are some of your pros, I'm just saying, like,


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[Assistant] The point being is that they're, they're, you have a lot to choose from. If you don't love one, you're way better off taking an elite defensive player and riding out golf one more year because you're probably going to have a high pick next year anyway. And that's where I'm very curious to see how they handle Dan Campbell.


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[Assistant] Will he be given enough time to try and continue along this rebuild? I think he will, but I mean, obviously.


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[Assistant] I'm going to guess exactly three now, but it better be over three just for


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[Assistant] They tried to do the charitable thing, the save our blues thing. And like, they're like, what's his condition? He's like, he has hair plugs and they're killing him.


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[Assistant] DJ Moore, it has to be Pinero because he had a chance to redeem it in overtime when the Panthers got the ball and it was sudden death and he could have kicked that field goal plus


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[Assistant] I know the extra point was much longer because DJ Moore took off his helmet. But there's no extra point if DJ Moore doesn't run that route and make that catch. And I kind of hate that rule.


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[Assistant] The dude just caught, he caught a, maybe,


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[Assistant] I mean, Mahomes tweeted about it. Mahomes was like, that's the best throw in the season so far, bar none. Like it was impossibly far when PJ Walker, he was on his own 40 and just dropped back in through a dime.


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[Assistant] I had, I had a tweet like I was about to send out as he's lining up for that extra point. That was like, it was because it was the South was going to be three and five across the board. And then we were tracking towards the possibility of a team being, um, eight, eight and one.


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[Assistant] He was a high drafted player for a kicker. He'd already made a bunch of big kicks last year. He was dealing with a backup holder.


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[Assistant] Pinierre just got hosed by DG Moore, but again, DG Moore caught the ball.


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[Assistant] Not, not that it really matters, but there's a local, uh, North Carolina television station like doing a pregame thing. They're like, yeah, it's like coming up at one o'clock. The Pithers take on the Falcons in Atlanta. We've got a video.


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[Assistant] Could have been practicing kicks instead of taking selfies.


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[Assistant] I will just, I will, I don't think he's going to get the job either, but I will just say this. David Tepper likely.


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[Assistant] He, he is putting out feelers already, presumably if he's not an idiot, about who he could possibly get. He's kind of trying to find somebody who he thinks he is.


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[Assistant] That's what I love about him. I know, but I'm just saying Steve Wilkes is like put on professional errors. The team is trying hard. They're in games. I don't think he'll get the job. I think he'll get serious consideration.


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[Assistant] Horrible. Without, without Trevor Larsen's mistakes, they'd probably win this game.


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[Assistant] Denver, Denver should be two and six and talk about trading.


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[Assistant] Bradley Chavez, Jerry Judy and whoever else. Now that's probably not going to happen. Now the Bronkers weren't very good. The Jaguars just lost the game. Um, I'm over. I said it last week. I,


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[Assistant] I think, I think your take is probably the correct one in the sense that like.


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[Assistant] You can't just not be concerned about Trevor Lawrence, which is, like, I'm closer to that, right? And you can't be overly, like, you can't be like, well, Trevor Lawrence is toast.


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[Assistant] Which is where Wilson is closer to it. It is probably somewhere in the middle, like most arguments are. Of course you have to be concerned, but my take again, again, I said last week.


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[Assistant] I treat last year as a redshirt season in the NFL for Trevor Lawrence. I understand that's not how it works.


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[Assistant] In, in, in the NFL, but that Urban Meyer thing, but he is basically learning as a rookie right now to me. Like this is how I thought he would look as a rookie and he doesn't always look perfect, but he has his moments and then he has some really bad moments. That's to be expected when he played at Clemson. He was playing.


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[Assistant] Look, he's basically on the Bills and he's playing the Texans every week.


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[Assistant] Now that he's on the Jaguars, as Urban Meyer was, he's like, it's like playing Alabama every week. Yeah. Welcome to the NFL, Urban. It's, it's a, there is an adjustment. Peyton Manning was terrible his rookie season.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not out on Trevor Lawrence. I will keep buying low on Trevor Lawrence and I think it will pay off. When? This year?


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[Assistant] It didn't have to be this year. Like I said last week, I think you were plugging back in when I said, but I treat last year as a red shirt.


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[Assistant] This is still very, like, what is Mac Jones then?


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[Assistant] That's fair. I would say Trevor Lawrence has a much higher ceiling than whatever Jared Goff is right now.


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[Assistant] You could be on a massive contract with the Jaguars playing at a purple level.


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[Assistant] He did play pretty well in the second half. I mean, the Jaguars have outplayed several opponents this year and should have more wins than they do.


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[Assistant] See how, oh, excuse me, 49ers and Rams.


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[Assistant] Oh boy. So it's eight and nine. Eight and nine for Kyle Shanahan over Sean McVeigh, the only one being the NSC championship game in which Twiskey Tart dropped a surefire interception that would have made it nine, nine.


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[Assistant] The whole principle is that he's a running back, you don't trade lots of picture running backs. Ah perfect, I was looking for this stat actually.


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[Assistant] The last one, last time it happened, pass touchdown, rush touchdown, and a receiving touchdown in the same game by Damian Thompson at 05. I can remember watching.


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[Assistant] That, that pat, that half back is like a pitch and then the past two, uh, cause it wasn't like a past LT. It was like a pitch and then the toss. Uh, and then.


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[Assistant] David Patton in 2001 did it. The only other running back to do it, Walter Payton, sweetness.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's weird, man, because the thing is, is that the more success that Jimmy has,


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[Assistant] The easier it is to say, okay, the trade Lance pick was dumb. If you were, if you were like five and 12, you're fired, but you're 12 and five and making another Superbowl run with Jimmy. So I'm not going to fire a team that's doing really well, even though that investment appears to be.


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[Assistant] Or at least like incomplete or dumb or whatever it was.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's crazy that Jimmy G could be the starting quarterback. They'll have to re-sign him to a lot of money. That's the only thing.


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[Assistant] You could trade tree lance. I think you could trade tree lance and get a pretty decent return.


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[Assistant] Look, the whole reason they went to Trey Lance is because they wanted the upside of trying to, you know, trying to.


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[Assistant] I mean, I would, I would bet that it's, I mean, if, if I think the odds I would say it would be like minus 250 for Tray Lance, uh, Jimmy plus 150 and then Tom Brady plus like 350 or something. That's like plus 800 on Tom Brady. I think Tom Brady's done after this. I'm not getting smoked on Tom Brady 8 to 1 bets on the Chad because he, because he decides to come home and, and it'd be like, you could trade. I mean, if you, if you got to, I don't know. I, I think it's probably Tray Lance. Right.


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[Assistant] They were throwing the ball to Cooper Cup with like a minute and a half left down 17 points where they weren't even trying to go score or do anything. And he rolled up his ankle. If Cooper Cup misses any significant time, the season, the toast.


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[Assistant] The rams are a half game out of the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I'm just, I'm just saying that if, look, the teams in the playoffs right now are Philly, Minnesota, Seattle, it's the best team in the NFL. We've decided Seattle and Atlanta are both in the playoffs right now. Those two teams had a combined 11 wins before the season. Like this, it is very condensed.


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[Assistant] Do the Rams look like a playoff team? No. I'm not going to freak out about them losing to San Francisco. They always lose to San Francisco.


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[Assistant] Alright, next six games for the Rams. I just want, so the three and four, right?


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[Assistant] After these six games at Buccaneers Sunday afternoon Cardinals at home Sunday afternoon.


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[Assistant] At Saints one o'clock game at Chiefs afternoon game Seahawks at home afternoon game and Raiders at home on a net football December 8th.


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[Assistant] Two, three, and one. I haven't timed the Buccaneers. So you have them at six. Prediction. That's a crazy prediction. Yeah. So you have them at six, eight, and one. Sure. I can't do the math on that part, but yeah.


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[Assistant] And then they close with the Packers, Broncos, Chargers and Seahawks.


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[Assistant] Chat. She has so much. Kevin McCauley chats at 0 and 6. This is funny. Two other people said 3 and 3. I think 3 and 3 is reasonable. If there's 6 and 7.


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[Assistant] There's that chance! Wait, there's 6 and 7 with 4 games left.


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[Assistant] That's, that's right in, you'd like to win the division, but that's right in the, that's right in the range of your, you're not dead. Like it's, it's, that's what I'm saying. Like, of course the Rams don't look good, but smashing the panic button, calling the season over in this season with the way, how, how, how much parity it is, it seems a little- Sorry buddy. They have to play in Wisconsin in December.


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[Assistant] Uh, something, uh, no, it's from, um, or is it Titanic? It is Titanic.


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[Assistant] He is such a lovable. I cannot believe that we've gotten here in 2022.


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[Assistant] E.J. Manuel was the only one taking the first round in 2013, goes to the Bills. Gino's story of falling into the, into the next day, like he left the green room. He left New York City and bounced.


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[Assistant] Uh, by the way, the Giants, his tenure at the Giants, remember what he's famous for there?


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[Assistant] This is great. Two back-to-back revenge games. Chargers and Giants. One of five quarterbacks to ever beat their former team in the consecutive game. Former teams in consecutive games. Earl Morrell just shrugs.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this about about that. What?


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[Assistant] How much of that do you think is Pete being like, F it. I'm going to change everything I do and just do stuff that Russell would love to do and win in spite of him because you know, FM, or is it how much of it is Pete?


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[Assistant] After Russell became a star quarterback and sort of became the focal point of the offense.


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[Assistant] Pete didn't like the fact that he would go so off script. You know, doesn't go off script.


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[Assistant] We always say, oh, Russell, the magic, magic means offense where you run around in the backfield, but like, that's just what Russell would kind of do. Cause that's what kind of player Russell was.


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[Assistant] And Gino is, stays very much in the system, but the system is working for him. So which, what, what, what do you think?


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[Assistant] We need, we need to get a clip of, uh, Billy, we need, go ahead and mark down. We need to get Walter White saying, say my name. What's my name?


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[Assistant] And then when he does that, Wilson can say Eugene, but I can't remember his last name. Eugene Cyril Smith III. The other thing too has to be pointed out again, just so we know people realize it. The Seahawks draft class is crushing.


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[Assistant] And it is like, in my opinion, somebody tried to say it was like 2012 Seahawks, but they had Russ, it was a third rounder. Like that's an entirely different atmosphere.


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[Assistant] This reminds me of the 2017 Saints draft class.


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[Assistant] They got Ken Walker just like Kamara in the second round I think for the Saints. They drafted a first round tackle who's smashing Charles Cross and Ryan Ramchak. To me there's a lot of similarities where


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[Assistant] If this draft class is as good as it's looked through eight weeks of football, then


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[Assistant] Like, if they don't get all these guys, the Seahawks aren't as good as they are.


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[Assistant] My favorite sort of like he's playing like 50% like sub 50% of snaps most of the time, but like.


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[Assistant] They're doing a great job. This draft class is boosting this team in a way that I don't think the team gets boosted if...


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[Assistant] You just swap Gino and Russ. Now, of course they traded Ross and they get a lot of draft.


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[Assistant] This feels a lot like, not like the legion of boom, like when they won the super bowl, but sort of the same.


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[Assistant] Like I said, the 2010, 2011 Seahawks where, but like it's working this time.


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[Assistant] You know, with Tavares and Matt Hasselbeck, it didn't work. And now with Gino, it is working and the defense is coming together. Ken Walker's, oh my God, I love Kenneth Walker.


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[Assistant] All right. All right. We are actually, we're going to skip three games. Thank you. Thank you, Jesus. We're going to quickly note stuff about them, whether Billy likes it or not. You can't just tell us to shut up.


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[Assistant] Millie Baker, uh, line I've had potluck powers, like 65% of them is like 275% ownership insanity. Titan 17 Texans 10.


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[Assistant] 200 yard rushing games. I think he's tied with, uh, OJ and a couple others. Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson. Thank you, Breach.


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[Assistant] He also has in his last four games against the Texans, 200 million yards.


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[Assistant] 200 plus rushing yards and two plus rushing touchdowns in every single.


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[Assistant] Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Happy Halloween. We will be back Monday. New live show one o'clock. We're going to break down some of the bigger storylines.


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[Assistant] I think that means the commander's offense is unstoppable. I'm just more disappointed in us not bringing our own champagne to pop along with the Dolphins. That would have been fitting.


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[Assistant] I am kind of mixed here because on one hand, I don't think it's a blueprint because you cannot, uh, go into a game thinking the Eagles are going to turn the ball over three times when they've only turned the ball over three times in the first nine weeks.


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[Assistant] That is kind of a luck thing, especially when you talk about fumbles, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, we'll get into one of those fumbles that probably should not have counted because it should have been penalized and called back. But anyway, so that part you can't count on, but if I wanted to beat the Eagles, I would think I need to control the ball. I need to be able to run the ball.


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[Assistant] And I want to win the time of possession by a lot. And if you're watching on YouTube, you can see the graphic where Washington had the ball for more than 40 minutes.


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[Assistant] In this game. So that is a long time. They're only the fourth team in the NFL this year that has had a time possession of more than 40 minutes. And the thing is, if you have it more than 40 minutes, that means the Eagles have it less than 20 minutes.


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[Assistant] If the Eagles are only on the field for 19 minutes and 36 seconds, that's a good way to beat them. So, but can other teams replicate that? I am not sure. I'm looking at the Eagles schedule. Maybe the Titans could, uh, but there aren't a lot of teams that can replicate what Washington just did.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what I started with. I said that you can't guarantee the turnovers. So that's why the blueprint, that would be my argument against this being a blueprint. But if you play great defense and uh, can run the ball and control the clock, you at least have a fighting chance against them.


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[Assistant] You know, I haven't watched all four quarters of every single Eagles game. This definitely felt like the sloppiest they played. Uh, and, you know, the interception that could have gone, it was in A.J. Brown's hands and the defender made a good play.


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[Assistant] Uh, but again, there were two defensive backs back there. So you had a guy, you're throwing it to a guy who was double covered way down the field. And so that's something that can happen to the risk you take when you make that throw. Uh. Are you trying to blame Jalen for that throw? No.


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[Assistant] I'm saying, but with the turnovers, I'm saying that these are things that you cannot count on because they were, you know, there's, there's an element of luck to turnovers.


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[Assistant] What do you draw the line? Are you going to review the entire play for every possible penalty on a turn up?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, but then you're just opening yourself up.


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[Assistant] So then are you only reviewing turnovers? You're only reviewing touchdowns? Or should you be reviewing, if there's a 67 yard game that could change the whole complexion of the game, should you be reviewing that?


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[Assistant] That one year where you could challenge past interference, but face masking, uh, or false start or delay a game. And this is, you know, Wilson's like your biggest pet peeve is that there's not just like a buzzer when the clock gets zero on delay a game. And that's another one. So there are definitely penalties that you.


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[Assistant] I agree with you Brinton, the principle of the game ending on that play where it's not like the Eagles defender slammed it in a Heineken and tried to knock him unconscious. Uh, you know, he tried to slow himself down, but this one, this isn't the face mask where we are all in universal agreement that


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, the, I think Diami Brown essentially did that at the end of the half. He caught, he caught a pass and he went down so they could kick a field goal and spike it. So he spiked it and kicked a field goal.


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[Assistant] And he didn't take a knee, but it's the same principle, cause you, it's giving yourself up.


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[Assistant] Okay, wait, you know what, here's one right here, is Patrick Peterson picking off Josh Allen to end the game, running five yards out, falling down, game over.


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[Assistant] That was actually just yesterday. Get out of town. Are you kidding?


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[Assistant] Right, so like, but what is the, like, I don't understand what your...


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[Assistant] Such a small hill, a friendly hill. So here's the thing though, is that Taylor Heinecke made a smart play.


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[Assistant] And, like, I get that Eagles fans would be upset about what happened because it's like, hey look, he kneeled down, our defender was trying to slow up.


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[Assistant] Wait, before you answer that, let me ask you this, Billy. What did you think the final score was gonna be when they strip-sacked Heinecke in the first two minutes, scored a touchdown three plays later, and it was 7-0 with 12 minutes left in the first quarter?


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[Assistant] And so I feel like this kind of, this takes a little bit of pressure off. You don't have to worry about 17-0. You don't have to think about anymore. You're not going to be asked about it. It is just back to business. Go back, go.


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[Assistant] Taylor Heinecke. He played well. I mean, except for the strip sack, he was pretty impressive in the sense that, you know, he's not


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes out there. He's not Josh Allen out there, but he made the big throws when Washington needed big throws. And that's a big reason why they were able to convert so many third downs and why they, uh, add the ball for 40 minutes. I mean, he, he came up clutch when he had to except for you.


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[Assistant] Two straight games against the Giants. Who comes back next week?


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[Assistant] Chase Young comes back next week. Oh yea, you have Chase Young coming back, so.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't count the commanders out and they still play the 49ers who are the team that's a happy game above them for the 7th seed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't hate that. It's called birth silver breach. Play off births.


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[Assistant] Am I picking, knowing that Josh Allen's 100% healthy or?


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[Assistant] Right. If I don't trust Josh Allen's elbow, then I'm taking the Eagles.


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[Assistant] Yeah, against the Packers. That's who they played the week before that. He made a couple crazy... Yeah, okay, thank you.


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[Assistant] But if you were saying, if I had to pick a Super Bowl winner tonight out of the Bills and the Eagles, then I'm taking the Bills.


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[Assistant] Uh, I agree with you, Brenton, somehow, some way. I think if I had to just, I think the bills are- What you guys are saying is that my take was, is pretty spot on.


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[Assistant] The Chiefs have the big game experience, you know, if you've been to the Superbowl, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm agreeing, he's saying, who do I trust? And I'm saying that's the one team that you feel very confident they could end up in the Super Bowl. They don't really have.


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[Assistant] Okay, they do have flaws. Every team has flaws. Every single team this year has flaws. Every team could lose. This is totally in any given Sunday year and that's what makes it


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[Assistant] The Bengals were five and four. They went to the Super Bowl. There is no reason a team cannot make that same run.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the NFC this year, or again in the AFC just because everything's so wide open and every team is so close. There's not a huge gap between the five and four 49ers and the eight and one Eagles. So there's no reason to think that, uh, really any team that is


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[Assistant] With their head above water right now, can't just sneak in and end up going suitable.


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[Assistant] Yes, I think the top 7 teams in the NFC are pretty evenly matched. I can see any one of those teams coming out. But it's just, in the NFC, it just feels like, you know, the ravens can beat the chiefs. The build, any of these teams could beat the chiefs. It's just that,


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[Assistant] The Eagles were the 12th team since 2009 to start 8-0. Only one of the previous 11 ended up winning the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Jeff Saturday's still mad the Colts didn't try for a perfect season in 2009. Haha, really? I need to ask about that.


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[Assistant] I love it. I mean, the NFL has some NBA vibe to it this year. It's just, no one cares anymore. It's like all the precaution is out the window.


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[Assistant] I think it's not surprising that Ursay is the guy doing this. Like, who's going to go full Steinbrenner? Let's go. Like, I love it. Hey, I'm thinking from a Packers angle, this is like Donald Driver being named the interim head coach. Let's go. I'm all in. Greg Jennings. Greg Jennings. Can you imagine? Yes. Greg Jennings as the head coach for Interim Head Coach.


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[Assistant] I mean between his like basically calling out Dan Snyder and putting that wheel in motion and now firing his coach and putting in his long time ring of honor member, I mean he is just, he's done. He's done pretending. He's gonna do what he wants to do and you know what? Godspeed, man. I love it.


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[Assistant] They lost to the Lions! They most certainly did. I watched every second of it, and then I watched it again this morning.


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[Assistant] No, they shouldn't. Uh, I have zero doubt that the calls for Jordan Love will, will grow over the second half of the season as it becomes closer and closer to the team being mathematically eliminated, although I would say their season's on life support as it is.


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[Assistant] But you know, they paid him $50 million as long as he's relatively healthy and he has been dealing with that thumb injury kind of off and on for weeks now.


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[Assistant] Unless Aaron pulls himself, which I can't ever imagine that ever even approaching a, you know, a bastion of reality.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be what we saw, what we've seen really for these last three, four weeks. And it's, it's been hard to watch and it's getting harder to watch. And what's, what's mystifying is how they so


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[Assistant] Easily have a team and a way of working that is available to them in the sense of they finally found the combination up front along the offensive line when they moved the pieces around three weeks ago. They finally got everybody healthy.


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[Assistant] Up front. They've, they've shown repeatedly that Aaron Jones is the one guy on this offense who can be productive no matter where you give him the ball, no matter how you deliver the football, he is or should be the engine that makes everything else go.


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[Assistant] But they steadfastly refuse to go that route. And I don't know if it's Aaron Rodgers, I don't know if it's LeFleur and Rodgers saying, oh no, we're going to show everybody. But they're running an offense that they've basically been running a type form of


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[Assistant] For the last three years without the personnel to run it. Like how they could possibly look at the guys available to them and go, yep, we're going to spread it out. We're going to go five wide. We're just going to hope guys win off the line of scrimmage. Cause that's been a majority of the offense that we've seen for like a month in Green Bay. And it absolutely blows my mind.


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[Assistant] I think it's everything. And that's, you know, always the problem in football is that there are always kind of multiple layers and compounding factors and I don't


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[Assistant] No. He just didn't have enough on it. And the thing is, if he gets enough on it, Bakhtiari is open. I mean, credit to Hutchinson, he makes a great play on the ball, but it's a terrible ball. You know, there's zero reason.


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[Assistant] For, A, I don't understand why they're calling that play. Like, I get it. If you're on a roll, you know, you've won a few games, you're moving the ball on offense, you're feeling good about it, but you're in a desperate, gotta-save-your-season situation on the goal line, and you're running the tackle-eligible throwback


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[Assistant] To your best friend? I don't, I just don't get that play call at all. And then Aaron Rodgers making it ten times worse by throwing up just a absolute wounded duck of a ball.


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[Assistant] There's zero doubt that that was kind of the thinking, right? At least, now...


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[Assistant] Here's where it gets tricky, because it certainly feels like, from the outside looking in, that that was the plan, right? Now, I don't think you'll ever get anyone on record, at least not anytime soon, saying yes, we had hoped we would be a lot better on defense while our offense figured it out. Right? Because that certainly is, like, would appear to be the plan.


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[Assistant] Sitting on the outside, right? But now the defense clearly has not been as good as they would hope to be, but I think the defense has played well in spurts, kinda like they did last year.


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[Assistant] But man, the offense has just not been able to figure it out. And to me, it really looks, and again, it's hard to say with any certainty, but it really looks like there's a pretty serious disconnect between the personnel group and the coaching staff. Because the personnel group...


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[Assistant] Handed them one kind of team, especially on offense. It was, okay, your two running backs are your most dynamic weapons. They are clearly your best players on the offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] For whatever reason, Matt and Aaron, and it is never one or the other. I see this a lot kind of outside and in the press and what have you. People always saying, oh, it's Aaron Rodgers or all the floors in over his head or whatever kind of narrative tries to get spun here. It is both of them. It is always both of them.


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[Assistant] And for whatever reason, the two of them seem insistent.


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[Assistant] There's like no owner. I mean yeaah, I mean, I mean, obviously Mark Murphy's not leaning on anybody in any way, shape or form.


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[Assistant] Maybe, yeah, maybe it's a more overt Miami situation without the, uh, without the friction and the tension, right?


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[Assistant] Never. Never gonna happen. Never gonna happen. We all know this. Like, it's, it's, that's fantasy land. Although, I think there are certainly


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[Assistant] Even with a banged up thumb, I mean, hell, we've got evidence, you know, back in the day of Brett Favre back in 2003 when he broke his thumb and they leaned into Amon Green and Amon Green had a


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[Assistant] Stop them on fourth down, fourth and three at the end of the game to give your offense a chance to go win the game and you can't do it. I mean, again, I don't think the defense has been lights out.


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[Assistant] Well he, but the report this morning is that he's gonna be okay and should actually be available on Sunday against the Cowboys, which is great for the Packers so they can ignore him some more. No, I'm kidding, but-


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[Assistant] But to that point, you would think, that makes sense, right? What you're saying, like, okay, we're dropping like flies at wide receiver, let's button it up, let's run the ball, be a little more basic, but I guarantee you.


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[Assistant] I totally agree, but then it was funny because after that game, you saw how successful they were with some of the more power stuff. They ran counter, they got between the tackles, and yes, the Bills were playing a lot of 2-high, but all season long 2-high had been a bit of their kryptonite, and they refused to run against it for whatever reason.


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[Assistant] But even after that game, and then Monday and Wednesday on the floor's availabilities, both Aaron and Matt were like, well, you know, yes, we did some good things on the ground, but you gotta throw it downfield to win in this league. I'll tell you what, you gotta get first downs.


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[Assistant] They have to, and that's the only way forward in my estimation. Now again, these guys have forgotten more about football than I'll ever know, I understand that, but man.


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[Assistant] What's the definition of insanity? Cause that's living in green Bay right now, over and over and over again, same type of results when you've got at least an alternative.


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[Assistant] Sitting right behind you, I mean, it just feels so weird that they refuse to acknowledge that Aaron Jones is a superstar, or at least he could be if they utilized him.


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[Assistant] Well, we saw some more of that. We saw a lot of Pony in the game in Detroit. But for whatever reason, they didn't really get the ball to Aaron Jones off any of that.


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[Assistant] You mentioned the second reaction stuff that Jordy was talking about, right? Yep. So many plays in that game, if you look at the All 22, where guys get to the top of their route, like there's like comebacks and things like that, where guys go and they just stop.


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[Assistant] Post, like, if, if things get out of structure, it's over. And then, but the other problem is that in the structure, there are a handful of plays where Rodgers has a dude, scuh, reaming wide open. I mean, wide open, looking right at him.


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[Assistant] And for whatever reason, doesn't like it, pulls it down.


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[Assistant] Gotten to the point now where it really feels like he's got the yips. Like there's so many levels of dysfunction, both from the offensive line has been kind of a mess up until about two weeks ago, to the receiver stuff that we're talking about, to just him trusting what he's seeing. I just, they feel absolutely broken on it.


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[Assistant] Yes, a thousand percent. Especially in a game where he's thrown a couple picks and so he's probably a little gun-shy. Like I understand that that's gonna happen, but man, if it hadn't, I'd...


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[Assistant] I'd be less concerned if we hadn't seen evidence of that throughout the entirety of the season, which we certainly have.


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[Assistant] A little bit, I, I, I do not doubt for a moment, and that's kind of always been Aaron's way. You know, you talk to anybody who's played with him. Exactly, and you don't trust what you're gonna do with the football, and then you don't trust what that guy's gonna do off of his break. Like, well yeah, that's probably gonna breed some inconsistency. There's no doubt there.


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[Assistant] But, you know, the, the, the bad habits are all back as far as falling off the back foot, throwing sidearm. I mean, that first interception literally goes off dude's helmet because Aaron doesn't step into the throw, doesn't make a correct, like not even close. Like he's just like that sidearm, like shortstop throw into a dude's head. This is a four time MVP. What are we doing?


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[Assistant] Oh my god, I don't- I have to make it happen. And this is the- to me, that's the crux of the issue. Like, no.


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[Assistant] The other Aaron is the one you guys should be trusting and counting on to make it happen. And I don't know if Aaron Rodgers will allow them to do that. I mean, only Matt and Aaron could answer that question. But to me, it seems so simple. And it's gonna be, again, it's gonna be frustrating. It's gonna be not very sexy. Your numbers are gonna suffer. But,


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[Assistant] I don't understand what other alternative you have if you want to at least try to win some games.


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[Assistant] I tell you what though, I, this is true. You got, I got the tweets to prove it. Always was appreciative of McCarthy's time in Green Bay. Obviously things got, you know, ran their course, especially between him and Aaron, like I completely understand things got stale towards the end. But I remember that first year in Dallas when


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[Assistant] They were completely beat up down there, and people were like, Oh, you see the Packers were right. Like, Mike's a terrible coach. Like, that's what you got from a lot of fans who were, you know, just glad to see him out the door or whatever.


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[Assistant] And I said at the time, like just get, let him at least operate with an offensive line and a quarterback for a full season and see what this team can do. And I think, you know, Mike's put it together pretty damn well this year. Now I'm not saying they're going to like run rough shot over the NFC or anything, but.


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[Assistant] They're playing pretty good football on both sides of the ball. And I love that Mike gets to come back to Lambeau and say, yeah, I'm, I'm doing all right without you guys.


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[Assistant] I mean, it is 100% do or die time for Green Bay. There is zero doubt about that. And to have to do that against Mike McCarthy is... The football gods deliver sometimes, man.


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[Assistant] I know, right? Absolutely. I mean, you couldn't ask for a more juicy narrative. Funnily enough, we have a conference call with McCarthy with the Green Bay media in about an hour. So I'm, I'm, I can't wait for that.


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[Assistant] For instance, this is my favorite part of Sundays, hanging out with you for 10 minutes. I would not have it any other way. Do you know what my least favorite part of Sunday is? Uh, watching the Bengals win all the time? No, no, I like watching the Bengals win. Okay, good.


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[Assistant] You know, you would think, cause you get that alert, you would actually show up on time, but clearly, uh, it does not work. Well, it's, it's my 30 minutes.