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[Assistant] Pat, I got, I want, I'll ask the question you want to ask, Pat, because I know, I know how your, your weird brain works. So Jordy, let's say right now, obviously you look great. Jordy worked out right before this. Oh, I can't even talk.


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[Assistant] That is one difference, but I wanted to ask Jordy something that Pat would definitely want to know. So it looks great, feels great, whatever. What if the Packers give you co- Ty Schmidt?


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[Assistant] I mean, I'll just kind of stand there. The good thing is I'm really good at opening gates. And when these guys are on horses, they need a gate open. I'm pretty good at that.


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[Assistant] He says that because it's like there's levels of everything I think because his brother's a legit cowboy. Jordy had a horse last night that


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[Assistant] I was scared for Jordy watching this happen. It happened every single time he stepped up to the plate to go run down a cap. It was pretty cool. So what do you gotta do? You gotta punish the horse like


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[Assistant] Alright, well I get, yeah, then I should stop eating international, right? Just all domestic.


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[Assistant] I got one question before, Jordy has to man the 7 to 12 kids out there while we finish the show up. A follow up we didn't get to get to, I always wanted, and I've asked you this I think on the show, Jordy, why do people, why does I guess mainstream media try to say that Derek Carr is not a Gruden guy? They're like, they don't have a good match. Why do you think that is?


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, he's awesome man, of course. But I'm telling you, last night it was an eye-opener to see.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's a stud. I got a picture somewhere I'll send you when I find it. When I came here like five years ago, I was on a horse.


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[Assistant] He took over the uh, charity softball game in Green Bay in Appleton, Wisconsin that Brett Favre had and Donald Driver and then Jordy was the host.


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[Assistant] Now we're heading back tomorrow sometime, it's a long drive, so we might take two days on the way home.


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[Assistant] Hey, for real though, Pat, what I was gonna say when Jordy was here, if he does have an event, I'll come back with you. If you want some stuff to film, we'll go out to the arena with his brother and we'll bulldog some calves. We'll try it. Me and you and Jordy.


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[Assistant] And then we play, and then we play his softball game.


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[Assistant] Why would the guy, how would the guy know he was delivering pizza to Michael Jordan's room?


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[Assistant] He didn't call it in though. He had like four guys in the room with him. His trainers, everyone was there. They ordered the pizza for him. May, uh, I don't know. I have no idea how. That's why I don't think it was intentionally poisoned. Did he get


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[Assistant] Did he get sick because of something that may have been like an old ingredient on there? Possibly. I don't think it was like directly poison for him to try to make him sick for that game.


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[Assistant] Even if there was credit card over the phone back then, I guarantee you, well first off, they weren't using Jordan's credit card, and you think Tim Grover, his workout guy is like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, did Jordan always have like his little core group of guys around him? Like his couple security guys, his workout dude, they're just in his hotel rooms at all times.


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[Assistant] Like I came in, Brett Favre was there, he'd been there for 14 years in Green Bay or something at the time.


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[Assistant] People always said Brett had like his own locker room. No he didn't, he had a normal locker in the, in the locker room like everybody else, but then he could go back and change.


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[Assistant] In the little, there's like an auxiliary coaches room for some assistant coaches. He could change there if he needed to get away from the media or whatever, but he didn't have his own people there. He didn't have his own security there. Like the team has security and all that, but not many people have their own guys that are with them that are separate from the team. The closest I can think of.


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[Assistant] Is when Tom Brady had his Guerrero dude, when he was in the facility and he was going to away games. When I heard he was on the team flight, I was like, geez, I've never seen that. I've never been anywhere where a player can bring someone from outside of the team with them on all their trips.


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[Assistant] Were these, uh, body gurus, were they wearing black belts with their geese?


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[Assistant] Doing all that stuff he did yesterday, isn't that like deathly unhealthy? Yea. Marathons. Doing all that shit in one day.


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[Assistant] Kim, uh, Kim Kardashian and Kanye West did the same thing with their, uh, with their baby names. They told their group of friends, different names that they were thinking. And then whichever one made it to the tabloid. See you later. You never get many more breast milk from this.


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[Assistant] Great spin zone. Great spin zone right there. I'm not sure if that's accurate or not. I don't think anybody knows if the antibodies prove that you never get COVID.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of people are going to make that move though. Like I think that is how tickets are going to be going forward whenever you go to a live event. There's going to be something on there when you click buy, you are agreeing to the terms that you understand that COVID-19 could potentially be in the place that you're at. I think this is just the way it's going to go.


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[Assistant] Zeke getting it, obviously I hope he's okay. T's and P's to Zeke, I hope he doesn't get a bad strand of that thing, which was taking obviously a lot of people out.


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[Assistant] But I think it's, we're gonna come to a point in time where it's just like, it might be weird if you haven't had it. I've, like...


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[Assistant] They're, they're talking about the number of Ohio State players that had it. They're talking about other teams, the amount of people that had it. I think...


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[Assistant] What the life is going to be like in two months from now, whether it's back on lockdown because numbers are going high or whether it's completely free, just like, yeah, COVID-19 is a part of our life now. I don't think anybody has a clue.


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[Assistant] About what's going on. I would assume that some people are a bit alarmed that Ezekiel Elliott got it because he's in such great shape, but then people are obvious. I don't know. I just, I think we don't know anything about what's going to happen with the future and how normal COVID-19 is going to be going forward as a life, as a human here.


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[Assistant] You go to one person, they tell you something. Okay, I think I get it. And then you open up another thing, it's like, oh wait a fucking minute, that goes against everything of this person. Oh, but wait, there's a third idea. You have no way, everybody's trying to get their


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[Assistant] Oh, he's wondering how his information is getting leaked to people because there is a doctor-patient agreement by the government that goes by a- I don't- is that what- how is that-


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[Assistant] Yep, so he spotted it right. True. I don't know how his information gets out there. This is just like...


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[Assistant] The Wunderlich scores that get released. It feels like Zeke Eulia is wondering how come I'm not treated how everybody else is treated in the health world with my information when people are telling me that that's the case. I understand why he's not happy.


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[Assistant] Hold on, so didn't Schefter, Schefter had the doctor that had Jason Pierre Paul's, uh, x-rays? Remember that? That was almost like a fool thing because of the HIPAA violation.


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[Assistant] The doctor though was the one that sent it directly to either Schefter or whoever it was. This HIPAA thing has been brought up for a lot of these NFL insider informations because, I mean there's, I mean Zeke's probably not pumped about


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[Assistant] Dana White said that he has an island he is creating for people to fight on. This is at the beginning of the quarantine.


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[Assistant] Now it is coming to fruition August 15th.


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[Assistant] No, they're not fighting. Is that when it is? Fight Island is August 15th? No, it's before that. So they're not fighting on Fight Island.


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[Assistant] No, but Fight Island is happening. Big time fights happening and good for Dana White. He's potentially also fighting Dan Lebatard at Fight Island. AJ, big UFC fan. We're a big UFC show. This has got to get you pumped up. Got to get the blood boiling a little bit that the Island thing happened in Abu Dhabi.


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[Assistant] That, that oil money is a, a, a tall stack of cash. And that's what happened with Abu Dhabi, right? The people who had all the money are, uh, Dubai, right? Is Abu Dhabi in Dubai?


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[Assistant] Oh, I don't know. We should know more, I guess, about this. But Dubai was created. United Arab Emirates, I believe. It was literally created because people had money. They want to build their own country. They can build that thing up. Now it's like the nicest country on earth.


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[Assistant] Abu Dhabi, I'm not sure the ins and outs of that, but it looks like that is a beautiful, absolutely gorgeous place. And Dana White is like, you know what? We'll do it here. Let's put an island up here. Good marketing calling it Fight Island, by the way.


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[Assistant] Good, good marketing there. I'm all about a good island that people are just gonna get after it on.


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[Assistant] Cause this looks like when you're at a resort and they're trying to tell you where to head to and where not to go to. Like, oh, the kid slides in the middle there and then you got the, uh, the little beach for families up on the top for adults only at the bottom.


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[Assistant] You guys all looked at me like I was wrong, by the way. Anytime I get that look from you guys, and it might be because you guys think that, uh,


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[Assistant] Look good, feel good, feel good, play good. Play good, pay good, pay good, live good, live good, die good.


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[Assistant] So Ferrari World's number one, I don't know if that's an actual like roller coaster or an actual like, uh, venue.


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[Assistant] Definitely well deserved. Is he, is he on the staff there in Indy or is he just coaching like pass rush? Is he like a pass rush specialist that guys go to?


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[Assistant] Wait, when it comes to, like, if you're strictly like an edge rusher, even if you're an interior deliming, like, those guys work on their hands and their moves all the time, like,


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[Assistant] That's something that you, you're never going to master, but like, like a guy like Mathis and Frini and all these, these guys that are studs rushing the passer. That's something like every day, multiple hours, there's things like that. They're working little things that may not seem like a whole lot, but they got to come up with a move and then you have a.


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[Assistant] You get it one move and then one move that's your go to and then have a counter off of that. That's all you need. Like you don't need a bunch. I had four moves.


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[Assistant] So you were rushing your one on one against an offensive lineman? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] of these like high school kids at camps when they're just wearing helmets and they do pass rush and someone's like, oh man, look at this guy. He's a monster and he's bull rushing.


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[Assistant] This poor tackle with no pads on. When anyone knows, like when you're not wearing pads, the bull rush is not an option. Like you're not gonna bowl without pads. And these dudes will run these poor tackles over like, oh man, you gotta get this dude a scholarship. Give him five stars. Absolutely not. He's bull rushing with no pads.


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[Assistant] Rob, what was, what's Tony Dungy like as a coach? He's, I see him on TV. He's like the one of the most respected guys on the planet. And I have so much respect for him. I wonder what he was like, like when he was in front of the team. With Coach Dungy, what you, what you see is what you get.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when I got to Cincinnati my 10th year and they all looked at me the same way. Like when they were lined up first game, like, nah man, never had it. I don't, I don't know. It's not my, they didn't do it in Green Bay.


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[Assistant] of, now Matt Leonard, obviously you two were a tag team of pop culture and everything like that, but you were the face of LA for a long time. I mean, Reggie Bush, 20 years old, you were the king of LA at the time. And if you were living off the college money, that had to be a bit of a struggle. So whenever this whole thing came out,


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[Assistant] College players making money. They're like, yeah, but that's fucking Reggie Bush. I mean, we're talking every highlight, every prime time game, your name.


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[Assistant] I mean the only way you got served was if you tipped, or I'm assuming if you played football, but.


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[Assistant] When I did the onside kick to myself, I thought I was gonna get killed. I thought that was gonna be a scrum on top of me. It should have been.


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[Assistant] You see me whenever I lay down, literally, you could, I go, oh, oh my god, it's about to come, but let's just hang on here. Let's just hang on here. And then nothing happened. And then my teammates picking me up and I almost come out of like in disbelief. I'm like, ha ha.


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[Assistant] Oh, what a moment. Yeaah, cause I'm not tough enough to take that. They didn't even touch me though. The guy did like two hands on my back.


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[Assistant] So we kicked an onside kick to the right and we've kicked one to the left. So they actually had their hands team out and had nobody in the middle.


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[Assistant] So they actually had nobody in the middle in either a week prior to that or two weeks prior to that. Yeah. So they got nobody near in front. So they got everybody lined up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this was, uh, this was very much a check with me here. So if you look to the right there, they were getting ready for an onsite potentially to write. This was the year that we were just kicking surprise onsite kicks all the time. Like it was awesome. And to be honest, because we were doing that, everybody had their hands team out for us every single kickoff.


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[Assistant] This is what the rules are now for kickoff return because they actually studied our film on how many injuries happen because it's more like a punt return because the kickoff return is running with the kickoff team as opposed to setting up way back there and going. That's what we faced all year. That's why my touchback percentage I think was


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[Assistant] I told Tom McMahon and Chuck, I was like, Hey, if there's nobody in the middle, can I just kick it to myself?


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[Assistant] And they were like, nobody's gonna do that, obviously, but if that happens, yeah, like almost like shit talking, like if they do that, you can do it, right? And I'm like, okay, so we hit the first kickoff and I go over to Tom McMahon and I'm like, hey, there's nobody in the fucking middle. There is nobody in the middle. I'm gonna do it or whatever. He goes, if you call it.


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[Assistant] You better get it. And if you don't just go ahead and walk right off the field. And I was like, you got it. So the next time it came out there, I looked at it and I had a sign for our two guys. I would hit my thought of my hamstrings. If I tap my hamstrings twice, you stay the hell out because they would roll in for the coverage. They just stayed out there the whole time and.


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[Assistant] Kinda, but it wouldn't have happened, like, in the huddle or whatever beforehand, we call the, whatever the call is, it was probably, uh, maybe deep right or whatever it was.


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[Assistant] And in the huddle, I say, hey, if I hit my hamstrings here, just stay the fuck out. Cause there's one guy on the right and there's one guy on the left who are like leading the run. I think it was Colt Anderson, uh, the Montanimal. And I think it was Boom, maybe Boom or...


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[Assistant] And boom, boom, hamstring hit. They just stay out there and then they come running in afterwards, obviously, but yeah, I come to the sideline.


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[Assistant] And Tom McMahon's losing his mind, obviously. He's pumped up about it. Chuck's like, are you kidding me? And then we have a guy named David Thornton, who's like the player personnel guy, player development guy, and he's like,


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[Assistant] It was. That's a cool moment. That's prime time television too, you know. So that type of stuff is, it doesn't happen a lot. You don't really get that.


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[Assistant] They did that in rugby last week. Were they chirping on their side?


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[Assistant] No, it was very frustrating. I mean, we were a problem for kickoff return. I mean, we were a problem. We were, we were kicking so many on-site kicks that people were scared to death. I mean, that's a turnover. That's an interception right there. We were running fake punts. We were running on-site kicks. I think I had like five, six turnovers if you count them as that way in one season.


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[Assistant] Bingo. Here we go. We're off and running. I mean, it was a lot of fun. And when you have a coach like Tom and like Chuck that are like, Hey, let's go for it. It's so awesome because all those things, if they don't, you know, work out.


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[Assistant] The reason why that's tough is because the amount of speed in the NFL, like guys, you have to measure, okay, that guy is 22 yards off the line of scrimmage right now. This ball has to travel at least 10 yards. Can he get 12 yards before I can get to 10 and a half yards? That is like, uh, that is the math equation that you have to do. And in NFL, there's so much speed. It's like you're, I don't know. Uh, I think somebody did it last year, I believe. Maybe I don't know.


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[Assistant] I never kicked it that good, by the way, in practice. I mean, that thing just stopped right at 10 yards from me. Basically in practice, it was like I was sprinting and it was like hopping up next to me and I was like grabbing and I was like, Oh yeah, no problem here. No problem at all. And then the one in the game just died perfectly. Jason Sanders, Jason Sanders for my dolphins. Yeah. Good for him.


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[Assistant] Fifth overall pick right here. They got him in here just like so he can earn his stripes or whatever.


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[Assistant] And we kicked a couple onside kicks. Tom McMahon, every single week was scared that they were gonna send a guy.


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[Assistant] So like opening kickoff, Tom would be like, whatever you like, let's go baby. And then he'd be like, eyes up after you kick, by the way, eyes up after you kick. Cause it was always a fear that I would kick one. I'd have my head down still. And as soon as I lift up my head, there's a guy there potentially to take me out.


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[Assistant] And, uh, there was a couple times I thought a guy was going to come kill me. I Ola'd a guy one time, felt really athletic about that. And then there was one guy that just danced with me and I was very thankful because he could have, I mean, he could have if he really wanted to.


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[Assistant] No, they changed that rule because it wasn't just the kicker that was getting picked off.


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[Assistant] We did it to the Broncos and I felt terrible about it. They had a stud on special teams.


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[Assistant] And he was making every single play for their kickoff team, their punt team, everything. So we just had a guy.


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[Assistant] Soon as the kickoff happened, okay, you just get him from line of scrimmage all the way down.


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[Assistant] And we thought for the rest of the year, then somebody was going to send one back at us, like, because we did that. So now it's like, hey, hey, fuck me.


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[Assistant] You said those guys all think they should be starting. Their entire lives they've been starting. Their entire lives they've been stars and it's like now I need you to pass that for a punt. It's like, I'm not on a fucking punt team.


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[Assistant] The United States military is determined to invest in new forms of defense and abandon those that no longer meet its needs.


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[Assistant] Eric, tell us about these warships that you have been investigating and why it is that the US government ordered them.


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[Assistant] The US is looking for a particular kind of ship that can confront that very particular kind of threat. What is the ultimate ship that the Navy lands on?


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[Assistant] And Eric, how much is this MacGyver of the sea, this Corvette of the ocean supposed to cost?


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[Assistant] So this maiden voyage is more or less a complete failure.


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[Assistant] So by the end of this mission, I have to imagine that the Navy is beginning to lose confidence in these ships.


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[Assistant] So at this point, the littoral combat ship isn't really doing much of anything that


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[Assistant] The government and these contractors promised it would do not finding submarines and not really even functioning.


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[Assistant] Massive effort to try to save the littoral combat ship once the Department of Defense decides it's basically.


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[Assistant] Well, Eric, it makes total sense that everyone you're describing would be unhappy because jobs and money are at stake, but what exactly can they even do once the Department of Defense makes a decision like this? It seems pretty final.


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[Assistant] What do these contractors what to all these people who have a financial interest in this ship not being retired do next.


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[Assistant] So in the end, Biden has to sign a piece of legislation that


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[Assistant] Saves these ships that he and his Department of Defense think are so flawed that they should be retired. That's just the way it all worked out legislatively.


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[Assistant] That's right. So what now happens to these five ships that Congress and President Biden quite grudgingly ended up saving from retirement?


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[Assistant] It reminds me of the Navy's original argument for retiring them, which wasn't just that these ships had major flaws, but that.


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[Assistant] They're kind of obsolete and that this money could be better used on more relevant forms of defense than the littoral combat ship. And that makes me wonder if Congress's decision to save these very expensive ships.


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[Assistant] Is actually bad for the national defense. I mean, has this whole saga ultimately made the US weaker when it comes to our defense?


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[Assistant] It's unclear what exactly the three objects were, but the incidents mark the fourth time in a week that American fighter jets have taken down a mysterious craft.


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[Assistant] The arrests were the government's first step toward identifying and punishing those who may have contributed to the quake's astonishingly high death toll, which now exceeds 29,000 people in Turkey alone.


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[Assistant] Today's episode was produced by Alex Stern and Diana Nguyen.


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[Assistant] With help from Carlos Prieto and Alexandra Lee Young.


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[Assistant] Fact Checked by Susan Lee, contains original music by Dan Powell, and was engineered by Chris Wood.


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[Assistant] The littoral combat ship isn't just another ship. It's the most sophisticated ship in the Navy today.


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[Assistant] We take the technology and the automation and we synergize that. That's the difference in what we're bringing today.


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[Assistant] People are afraid to go into their homes and it's freezing cold now.


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[Assistant] And some people are watching because they are living in shock now.


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[Assistant] There are major aftershocks and minor ones as well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm just, just trying to organize the humanitarian aid and because there is not, we don't have enough rescue teams and people are so angry about it.


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[Assistant] I don't think that we will have people, we can take people out of those rebels alive tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. So we need really rescue teams all over the coming from all over the world tonight or tomorrow morning because maybe later will be too late.


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[Assistant] I lost three of my relatives in Malatya, unfortunately. I lost one of my second cousins and his wife and his children. And one of his children is severely injured.


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[Assistant] So, unfortunately I lost three of my relatives.


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[Assistant] I have to, I have to be strong. I have responsibility for these people. So I'm trying to help them.


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[Assistant] Jin, if you'll allow me, uh, I'd just like to briefly address the presence of the Chinese surveillance balloon in US airspace.


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[Assistant] The presence of this surveillance balloon in US airspace is a clear violation of US sovereignty.


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[Assistant] I'm sick and tired of corporate interest ruling the city.


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[Assistant] You just choose your bed, lock it in, there you go. If only everything were this simple.


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[Assistant] Paving the way for the legalization of sports betting in all 50 states.


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[Assistant] From the New York Times, I'm Michael Bolboro. This is a daily.


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[Assistant] I spoke to my colleague Gina Carlotta about what led to the change.


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[Assistant] Gina, tell us about these new recommendations for children in the US with obesity.


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[Assistant] And just remind us of how widespread a problem this is and how many people are likely to be impacted by these bold new guidelines.


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[Assistant] Wow, those are pretty aggressive forms of intervention for young people.


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[Assistant] So how do we get to this point where this very influential group of doctors thinks that this level of intervention is required?


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[Assistant] So in this era, it sounds like obesity in children is seen as a question of lifestyles and decisions and choices that are made, choices that are bad or choices that are good.


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[Assistant] So the idea here is to isolate what was thought to make a difference and study that.


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[Assistant] But why didn't it work? What was the conclusion that the researchers reached about why changing so many factors associated at the time with healthy living and weight loss? Why did those not make a difference?


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[Assistant] Given the discoveries of genetic links to obesity,


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[Assistant] It becomes much clearer that this is not just about nurture, not just about the environment, but in very large part, it's about nature, which as you've said, totally changes this question of fault and control.


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[Assistant] Right, it's not that the environment doesn't play a role, but it's that genetics are kind of an open door for the environment to walk into.


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[Assistant] So clearly what began in the 1960s with a kind of


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[Assistant] Shrug it off approach from doctors who said let your kids run around the playground, they're gonna lose that.


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[Assistant] Baby fat has evolved into a much deeper understanding.


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[Assistant] That childhood obesity is innate.


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[Assistant] And intractable and that the way we have all been approaching and thinking about it.


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[Assistant] Let's talk through these new guidelines in greater detail and how the people who wrote them envision them working with actual children. So give us some scenarios for the age groups that are covered by these recommendations. Let's start with the youngest children.


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[Assistant] Got it. So, this is the therapy recommended for the youngest children who are struggling with obesity. What about slightly older children?


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[Assistant] So this is an active medical attempt to make a child less hungry less frequently.


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[Assistant] Okay, and what do we know about the safety of young children taking this kind of medication, which may not have been designed for them?


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[Assistant] Okay, so I want to turn now to what, when you mentioned it seemed like the most extreme form of intervention for the older children, which is surgery. So what kind of surgery do we mean when we refer to bariatric surgery?


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[Assistant] Especially the ones that you just described as the most effective. How much of a recovery period are we talking about? Because rearranging someone's entire digestive system doesn't seem minor.


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[Assistant] And of course, doing something irreversible on a child is a big decision.


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[Assistant] Yes. So given the enormity of some of the...


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[Assistant] Interventions we're talking about, especially the surgery, what have been the reactions to these recommendations? What are seen as the virtues of them as well as what have been the objections to them?


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[Assistant] So not the clinics that you described, for example, doing the 26 hours of therapy.


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[Assistant] Interesting. So in many of the cases, this is going to be an out of pocket expense.


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[Assistant] The therapy, the medication that would be out of reach for many people.


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[Assistant] Just explain that. I mean, that seems like an important sentence. Not everybody with obesity has health problems.


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[Assistant] I have to think, do recommendations like the ones we have been talking about in this conversation make that burden less or potentially make it greater? I mean, is it a fair concern?


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[Assistant] That hyper-focus on obesity in kids.


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[Assistant] Doctors are saying something's wrong with you in a way that perhaps they didn't have to feel before.


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[Assistant] Right, even though we know from what you've told us about genetic research that that's just simply not the case.


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[Assistant] So is the thinking, Gina, that recommendations like this are liberating and cathartic?


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[Assistant] For children and for their families because it says to them all.


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[Assistant] We know how hard this is, and we know that this is a disease, and we know that the only real solution


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[Assistant] Is to act early and aggressively, and that in a sense unburdens people.


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[Assistant] These recommendations are, in that sense, at long last meeting that reality where it is.


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[Assistant] Well, Gina, thank you very much. We appreciate it.


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[Assistant] In a history-making statement to the world's 1.3 billion Roman Catholics,


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[Assistant] Pope Francis on Wednesday condemned laws that criminalize homosexuality as unjust and called on church leaders to embrace LGBTQ people in countries where such laws exist.


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[Assistant] It was the Pope's latest overture to gay people and further highlighted how different Francis is from his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who spoke out forcefully against homosexuality.


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[Assistant] On Wednesday, two prominent House Democrats, Representatives Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, publicly protested a decision by the new House Speaker, Republican Kevin McCarthy, to remove them from the influential House Intelligence Committee.


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[Assistant] The move is widely seen as an act of political revenge, since both Democrats are outspoken critics of former President Donald Trump and were deeply involved in impeaching him over McCarthy's objections.


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[Assistant] It was edited by Lexi Diao and Paige Cowitt, contains original music by Mary Lozano and Dan Pell, and was engineered by Chris Wood.


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[Assistant] It is now about one o'clock in the morning in Iowa. Results were supposed to be coming in hours ago.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but like, not exactly in the Bachmund, but very near.


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[Assistant] And I am the paramedic on the cause of evacuation. We are exactly the team that's going to the frontline and taking the person's insurance from that place where it happened.


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[Assistant] And I'm in my car right now, so now I'm just trying to be quiet, to listen what is going on outside. Ira, do you hear fighting? Is there fighting happening now? Yeah, for sure. Yes.


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[Assistant] I'm just waiting for the commander and for his tasks. If somebody will have interest, we will have work.


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[Assistant] This is, you know, like, money stories and, ehm, nothing special. But, ehm, I guess...


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[Assistant] There was this person who like, um, injured, uh, on the right hand. It was, um, from the, uh, like a drone.


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[Assistant] And we just help him to the hospital. But after that he write me, do you remember me? You evocated me. So, how are you? I just want to have a video call with you.


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[Assistant] Sometimes, uh, here in the war, it's, everything is very depressive. But in that moment, uh, all my sadness, tiredness is like just gone. And, ehm,


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[Assistant] I know why I'm doing this and I can do more and more and stay for how much that guys need me.


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[Assistant] You know, after all this months of the war, I just really like feel like I'm don't have emotions like enough. So.


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[Assistant] Now, I just want to come back and to feel the same, to feel all these perfect things from living life. This is, that's why I love this life.


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[Assistant] And I just sometimes feel very lonely because of this, because I come back to my parents' cities where I have had a lot of friends and we had coffee together and I said to my mom, I said here, you know,


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[Assistant] Classified documents belonging to President Biden have been found outside of a secure government location.


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[Assistant] Mike, I wanna start with what happened over this past weekend in Wilmington, Delaware. Tell us about that.


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[Assistant] Because where they should be are in secure government locations like the White House. So at this point, we've clearly reached a moment where the story of Biden and how he has handled classified documents has become


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[Assistant] Something of a rolling public relations and legal mess for this president.


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[Assistant] I'm like, I want you to explain that because I know that you and a few of our colleagues have spent the past couple of days trying


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[Assistant] Fascinating. So the thinking here from within the Biden world is that with this Trump classified document investigation playing out in a parallel universe, they would do everything differently in a legal sense.


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[Assistant] And thus, not have to tell the public pretty much anything, and it would all just work out.


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[Assistant] What this strategy has looked like in practice from day one and how we arrive at those miscalculations that you just summarized.


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[Assistant] Biggest of these early moments because when the Department of Justice tells the president that it's looking into something essentially that it's investigating the president's conduct that


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[Assistant] Is, in theory, a very natural moment to tell the public.


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[Assistant] So how have you come to understand the logic of Biden and his tight circle of advisors deciding not to tell the public?


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[Assistant] That the Department of Justice is now investigating its handling of these classified documents.


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[Assistant] They're saying our hands are tied, and from what you're saying, that makes a certain amount of sense. At least in the beginning.


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[Assistant] Right, because you're saying there's nothing that prevents the White House from coming out from someone standing at a podium in the White House briefing room and saying, we have something to announce, we found documents, the Department of Justice is looking at them, we don't have a whole lot more to say, sorry, it might pollute an investigation, but we owe you this information, so you're welcome.


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[Assistant] Okay, so once they choose this strategy of cooperate, but stay silent, what's the next big moment?


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[Assistant] They do tell the Justice Department, hey, we found a lot more documents in this house in Wilmington, Delaware, but they do not tell us that fact.


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[Assistant] Mike, at this point, because you are trying to reconstruct this period,


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[Assistant] Does anyone inside the White House go to this small group of advisors and say, you know, it's probably time to tell the public what's going on. Sure, there's a risk of having some influence on the DOJ, but if we craft the right message and we're careful, we can do it and we will avoid the allegation that we were trying to hide this.


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[Assistant] The media has come to the Biden administration and said we know about an initial batch of classified documents discovered in November.


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[Assistant] Of the issue here as relates to classified documents, which is we didn't just discover one batch, we discovered two and the Department of Justice is looking into this. It's gotten serious. The Biden administration.


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[Assistant] Keeps all that secret still and just confirms the narrow reporting about November 2nd documents.


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[Assistant] We're looking at what seems like a miscalculation because it's not just that these stories always come out, like you said, Mike, it's that when they come out and people learn that you withheld them, the judgments become even harsher.


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[Assistant] So Mike, once this 68 day approach of trying to keep the public in the dark comes to an end with this CBS report, what happens next?


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[Assistant] Right, and this is clearly the moment where all the calculations, Mike, that you have been describing that Biden and those around him made really seem to kind of fall apart because


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[Assistant] The logic of it always was if we handle this differently than Trump,


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[Assistant] In many ways, it's starting to feel like the exact same level of seriousness that it's been bringing to the Trump investigation because there is a special counsel for that one as well.


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[Assistant] Right, in some ways, the Trump investigation actually necessitates


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[Assistant] That the Department of Justice take the Biden investigation as seriously and with as much force.


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[Assistant] And shortly after that, we have the FBI search of...


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[Assistant] Biden's house in Wilmington that you described at the start of our conversation, Mike, which turns up even more classified.


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[Assistant] And I'm guessing the answer maybe we don't know yet, but do we have any sense of how what Biden was found to have kept in his homes and offices compares with what the FBI found at Mar-a-Lago?


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[Assistant] So what we can say with confidence is that the Biden classified documents are fewer and they are older.


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[Assistant] I mean, they did cooperate seemingly at every turn with the Department of Justice and they did for those 68 days.


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[Assistant] And potentially taking a very different kind of hit at the end of this DOJ investigation.


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[Assistant] I'm curious, like, is this how you see it as a long-time White House reporter as a strategy with a short-term pain, long-term gain kind of ratio?


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[Assistant] The death toll from the mass shooting in Monterey Park, California rose to 11 on Monday as police began releasing the identities of those who were killed.


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[Assistant] On Monday, a 26-year-old employee at the second dance hall described how he confronted the suspected shooter moments after he entered the building and prevented further bloodshed.


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[Assistant] Today's episode was produced by Claire Tennesgetter, Nina Feldman, and Mary Wilson. It was edited by MJ Davis Lin, contains original music from Marian Lozano and Dan Powell, and was engineered by Chris Wood.


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[Assistant] This week we are voting on several bills designed to do what we all in America have known for some time.


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[Assistant] There is an idea out there that I do not have objective decision making because of who I am, where I come from and my perspective. But I reject that.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] The goal is, what little you and I know about Elk Hunting, we share with people.


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[Assistant] If you hunt with Corey Jacobson, you will find the landscape is full of rabbit holes. We're just gonna make this up as we go.


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[Assistant] Corey Jacobson, welcome to Southwest Montana, more specifically Big Sky Montana.


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[Assistant] Crazy. All the people come here for a total archery challenge, they should have brought their mukluks and their mittens and everything else.


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[Assistant] Weren't we talking about you and Mittens last night? Yeah, Donnie was giving me grief at the big, so Cory and me and Donnie and Marcus and a whole bunch of people got invited to a preview of Fitka's upcoming products and it got on the topic of gloves.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Donnie brought up, well, Randy wants mittens. It's like, no, I'm not giving any input here because I'm not a fashion and style guy, so.


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[Assistant] No, you were, I mean, if you were a kid, or I grew up, or an adult even, you had multiple pairs of chopper mitts. Man.


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[Assistant] Your fingers were cold and mine weren't? Uh huh. Oh, okay. Yup. Yeah. Well, since I do mostly rifle hunting, you know how quickly I can just...


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[Assistant] My hand and that chopper mitt flies off and my toasty warm fingers are running the trigger mechanism.


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[Assistant] And the other guy who's walking around with gloves.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I'm dumb, but I'm not stupid. You know, I haven't had cold hands for a long time.


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[Assistant] And your kidneys too. But, uh.


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[Assistant] Well, when you're traveling with the family, the scenic route is, you know, you can just say, hey, this is a vacation, kids.


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[Assistant] Well, if it's like my, my wife, we will drive seven hours to go walleye fishing and she sleeps the whole way and we get there and I'm just white knuckle from driving these state highways towing this big boat and she'll look around like, oh, that's always such a nice ride to hear.


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[Assistant] Oh wow. But, uh, yeaah, it's fun to be together. Yeaah. To be visiting about all this stuff again. Today, uh, the first


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[Assistant] It was today, the first day of Archery. Yep. Channel Archery Challenge. Yep.


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[Assistant] A lot of people here, uhm, and they ask lots and lots of questions.


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[Assistant] I was thinking it's because they get your University of Elk hunting course there. That would be the incentive.


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[Assistant] It was funny how many people said, oh, I just kind of followed the trail of dilly bars to find where I could get one. Oh, that's, well, or to find Randy. Yeah. And, uh, a guy who works at Big Sky Resort.


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[Assistant] Saw a little kid and said, where'd you get the dilly bar? And the kid says, two dollars and I'll tell ya.


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[Assistant] That is a young man who's going to be successful. Yeah, exactly. So, it's fun though because you get a lot of questions. We get all these viewer questions, or listener questions, uh, via the OutTalk Podcast website.


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[Assistant] The other good part is the great feedback we get.


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[Assistant] Keep going down the rabbit hole. That's the funny part. That's the fun stuff. We never know what you guys are going to talk about. Neither do we.


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[Assistant] Well, one of the questions that came in via email, and I was going to ask you this question anyhow, for my own personal interest, but, uh, someone wants to know when your Colorado elk hunt for last year is coming out. Yeah, that's been, uh, so. Cause it wasn't, it didn't make the Destination Elk series that aired this winter.


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[Assistant] And then where, for the people who can't make it to the Sitka Depot on that Saturday, where else is it going to be?


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[Assistant] That's a question then that we can check off the list. I don't have to ask it because now a viewer asked it.


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[Assistant] I'm impatiently waiting for your friends over at Idaho Game and Fish to do the deer elk and pronghorn draw. When they doing that?


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[Assistant] Yep. In my 20, whatever, I think I've got 25 or 26 years applying in Idaho. Yeah, how many points do you have? Zero. Thank goodness, because you don't have a point system. But I've never drawn.


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[Assistant] A limited entry tag other than one time, or controlled hunt, you guys call them. I applied for the wrong hunt and I drew.


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[Assistant] I could see why it was so easy to drop. When I got there, it's like, boy, there's a lot of people here. Oh, and there's a youth hunt going on and oh, they're like, oh, and that was for a deer hunt.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I've been quite a donor to your program down there in Idaho, so I'm thinking sooner or later you guys are gonna...


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[Assistant] You know, cough up a little tag action my way here.


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[Assistant] You seem to be a bit stingy. Well, it's kind of my last hurrah, you know. Everything else is, is it. Oh, d-


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[Assistant] It's too late now for people to know, but today was the deadline for the Wyoming Leftover Tags. I know, and they had a lot. A lot. I was surprised. Yea. And did you notice the unit where the four hunters from Missouri did the corner crossing?


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[Assistant] A lot of any elk tags still left over. Really? I thought with all the news about the border crossing and stuff that...


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[Assistant] You know, I, I did a podcast on a, on the Hunt Talk Radio podcast, had Nick and Tom, two attorneys, and they're like, you know, it applies to those facts and circumstances, uh, but,


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[Assistant] It's, what's the term they use? It's persuasive, but not precedential. That if it gets to the next level...


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[Assistant] It is precedent. At least for the 10th Circuit, which includes Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, I think.


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[Assistant] Maybe Kansas and Nebraska. I know this, the Wyoming, Colorado and Utah are the mountain states that are part of it, so.


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[Assistant] In the geography of the ninth circuit. No, Montana, we're in the ninth circuit. Idaho, you're in the ninth circuit.


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[Assistant] Who knows what goes, you know, you'd get your federal judge.


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[Assistant] Within the d- federal district, but then if you wanted to purely go to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, and the Ninth Court is, Ninth Circuit is known as kind of the...


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[Assistant] Strange ducks, the judicial circuit, uh, or circuit, uh, so I don't know. It'll be interesting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was, the flip side of it, a guy named Dave Pecola sent me an email. He's like, sounds to me like Hunter should just buy liability insurance or umbrella insurance for a cheap dollar amount. Yup.


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[Assistant] And then, if you get sued, just say, uh, you know, the attorneys for the...


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[Assistant] The insurance company. Yep. Let them fight it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] One of the people had a question, uh, wanted to know if we've ever done a drop camp. I never have, have you?


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[Assistant] I don't think I have, no. I've looked into them a bunch, but yeah. And they're wondering about the pros or cons. And I, I really don't know. I guess my first, the pro I would see is okay.


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[Assistant] All the gears there, he's just like, you're out there and they usually have a wall tent and it's like, okay, he's probably not going to set it up in some area with Noel because he wants repeat customers. But the flip side of that is if he's running tons of people through there, it could get shot, quote unquote, shot at.


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[Assistant] Another person said, hey, where I come in every morning, the elk are down below me.


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[Assistant] Sounds like he parks at a trailhead, walks out somewhere in the Elk or always down. I don't know if it's in a Canyon, you know, you know, drainage or whatever. He's like, how do


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[Assistant] Hunting with you. People ask me, well, Randy, you do mostly rifle hunting, you do some archery hunting. What have you learned most archery hunting with Cory? What I have learned is that there is no mountain too tall, no distance too far that Cory won't travel to make sure the wind's perfect.


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[Assistant] Four seconds I'll be across this one funnel where the wind seems to... Well guess what? Yup. Four seconds is four seconds too many.


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[Assistant] That's, that is so situation specific. Yeaah, and terrain specific. Huh. Well, I hope I gotta think that through when one comes walking through my shooting line this hunting season.


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[Assistant] I think it's where you get like so close and you're right there and here he is and


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[Assistant] Do you freeze up because you're doubting, oh it's too early or it's too late? Or do you do it too early or too late?


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[Assistant] So, wait, do you have like a mental checklist? And this is the reason these are so focused at UCOR is because they're mostly archery specific, right? I mean,


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[Assistant] When I'm rifle hunting, it's not like I gotta worry about a lot of that stuff. There's just a lot on the checklist when you're archery hunting. So, that checklist, when you say, okay, he's coming, I can tell he's getting closer, I'm gonna go set up over here, or have my shooter go set up over here, I'm gonna call.


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[Assistant] Do you have like a mental checklist of things that are really rapidly going through your head when you're assessing and it's like,


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[Assistant] I mean, there's probably never the perfect place, so it's like, what's the best of the imperfect setups? Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Is, are there, it's, and this is just my experiences. Once you've set up and that bowl is now at 60 yards?


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[Assistant] You're screwed. You can't be moving. But are there situations where?


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[Assistant] Which is what makes it so different than my rifle hunting. That I mostly do.


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[Assistant] Okay, he's 200 yards over there raking a tree, not willing to come any further. Bad day for you, pal.


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[Assistant] But if I want to have fun, I mean like the excitement level to a degree that is, I can't


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe I can replicate it in rifle season, but it's tough. I, I just, I get excited. I have fun. It's a blast rifle hunting them, but beyond question.


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[Assistant] For someone as inept as me, archery is way more difficult, way more challenging, which makes it way more fun in a lot of ways. And I think that's why so many elk hunters gravitate towards archery hunting.


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[Assistant] For every elk you encounter with a rifle,


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[Assistant] When I do seminars or even in my course on outdoor class, I said, you know, I think a bull elk in


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[Assistant] Uh, a rifle hunt is one of the easier animals to kill. They're hard to find and locate. But once you find and locate it,


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[Assistant] It's not that hard to get your tag on them. Once you've found them, you've, you're, you're 95% of the way there. Whereas in archery, no.


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[Assistant] Well, I, it's for me as much as most of my hunting is with a rifle. They're just, I cannot replicate the excitement in the.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm not quite that dumb. Uh, but before we turn on the mic, uh, we're talking about e-scouting and, uh, I,


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[Assistant] And then we turned on the mics right after I said, you know, for me, e-scouting,


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[Assistant] Is really critical for me as someone who rifle hunts.


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[Assistant] And maybe it should be in my archery hunts, but I'll admit.


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[Assistant] I don't do as much of it for my archery hunts as I do my rifle hunts.


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[Assistant] I'd say my e-scouting is about developing as many possibilities as I can find.


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[Assistant] Trying to prioritize them and rank them. Day one, I want two or three spots. If I don't see anything, okay, I'm gonna move off in another spot. Day two will be a morning spot, maybe an afternoon and an evening spot. Uh.


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[Assistant] And we're launching a video on one way I use it is in the example that


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[Assistant] You'll see screenshots of this. There's some historical imagery from...


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[Assistant] 2020 or 2019 in a really arid state like Arizona or New Mexico was a really bad drought year.


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[Assistant] In 2019, especially in 2020, well now they're like 18 months past that drought year. So I don't want to be looking at drought year static imagery.


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[Assistant] On a year like this where it's not a drought year. Right. So you're like this, there's water spread. All kinds, every little water hole, even the little ones have water in them. So I go and I look at this area and I'm like, wow.


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[Assistant] It's not quite as wet as 2023 is, but 2015 was a pretty wet year.


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[Assistant] So, I go and grab historical imagery from 2015 and I'm like,


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[Assistant] Oh wow, there's a lot more water out there than it shows in this. So if I didn't have access to, uh,


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[Assistant] Historical imagery and I just stuck with whatever static image that gave me.


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[Assistant] It still is some helpful to have, you know, aerial satellite imagery, but.


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[Assistant] If everyone is stuck with this drought year imagery, they're all gonna be on those four water holes that show up. But because I've been able to now do a comparison, I know of four


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[Assistant] And the flip side of that could be if you were going and hunting there in the bad drought year of 2020.


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[Assistant] But your historical imagery was all stuck in 2015. You're like, oh, there's water everywhere here. You and all the other guys show up and most of your water sources are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, your six backup plans for water are all empty. Now what do you do? So, uh, that's why historical imagery without giving it context.


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[Assistant] Isn't of much value, but if you use the drought monitor and rain maps and all these other snowtel sites,


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[Assistant] Uh, historical imagery gets to be a pretty useful tool, at least for me. Uh, so anyhow, shameless plug. If you, if you want to go check it out, the e-scouting tools that go on in their maps have that now and I'll talk.


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[Assistant] That's one example that a guy was asking me today, actually. He's like, hey, I saw this and I know you use it. I don't get why it's a big deal. So I just walked through that example. He's like, ooh, I never thought about that. I said, other times I'll look at places that, you know, they were logged in 2010.


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[Assistant] Well, they might've grown up a pretty good chunk by 2022. If my imagery is stuck at 2016,


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[Assistant] I'd be like, oh yeaah, that's still hauntable. Well, then I show up there and it's LodgePole or it's Reproduction or Alder that's over my head.


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[Assistant] It quantified because before it was always...


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[Assistant] Gettin' Forest Service Maps or BLM Maps.


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[Assistant] And that's all I had. And now I can sit at a laptop.


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[Assistant] And then all of our thoughts are like, man, too bad you didn't know who owned all that land down there. And then along comes surface ownership maps layered on top of that.


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[Assistant] At the time, it's like, well, I gotta get all this on a little micro SD and haul it out on my GPS, blah blah blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] And now all of that stuff has come to the GPS.


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[Assistant] Of all the things in my hunting life that have revolutionized my hunting, but also other people's hunting.


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[Assistant] It's that, because what used to be honey, you're gonna call them honey holes? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Are no longer honey holes to someone who's well...


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[Assistant] Some people bemoan, uh, technology. I'm really glad we have those things. Well, one, I get to waste lots of time e-scouting. Uh, today Marcus was here and someone asked us how much time we spend e-scouting versus scouting or versus hunting. And I said,


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[Assistant] I probably spend as much time e-scouting or whatever you want to call it, you know, researching and plus trying to put the research of the forage and the time of year and the hunting pressure and the locations. I told them I spend as many days doing that as I do actually hunting that tag. Yep. And they just kind of looked at me like, what?


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[Assistant] And I'm sure some people are like, well, the rest of us have a life, okay? Come on.


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[Assistant] Okay, I get that, but uh, it keeps me out of trouble. You know, I don't, I don't have many vices anymore, Cory, other than I just probably hunt too much.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, that, that's my life. I, Kim looked at the calendar for the upcoming 10 days. Cause last week was my first week. I wasn't on the road last weekend. First week. I wasn't on the road doing something volunteering or otherwise for multiple weeks. So we went fishing.


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[Assistant] And we come home and she looks at the calendar, she says, I looked at your calendar.


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[Assistant] All you're doing is volunteering and then being at this thing and being at that thing. I'm going to Oregon for two weeks, so today.


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[Assistant] She loaded up the car, drove off to Oregon to see her mom. Yeah. So.


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[Assistant] They put up with us. That's right. We're lucky. So what other kind of questions have you got while you've been here?


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[Assistant] That doesn't cheat me. At Outdoor Class or at, uh, Gohan.


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[Assistant] For insider, if you use promo code Randy, you get in the draw.


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[Assistant] And then we have the sweepstakes winner. I'm going to Kentucky with him, uh, in late, in early October. And then we have the sweepstakes winner who two years ago won, but he hasn't been able to draw a tag.


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[Assistant] He's, he's from your state, Idaho, and uh. Was that an elk hunt? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the Kentucky one and the Idaho guy. Those are both outcome. So I'm trying to get all of those and I want to do them because I have a ton of fun with these people. I get to meet new people and get to do fun stuff.


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[Assistant] So, I don't need that many tags this year.


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[Assistant] I know how to feed llamas. Yeah. You feed the llamas, we'll bring like a Cadillac Camo. That sounds great.


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[Assistant] You don't have to carry it. So, uh, yeah, if you're interested, I, you know, Bo text me a couple of weeks ago. He said that his Lama rentals are actually doing really robust for this fall. So I don't know if that was.


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[Assistant] Maybe you won't, but I usually, I think I got a standing order to reserve four of them. I better check with them and say, before it gets too late. Yeah, I might be left out in the cold. I'll be using donkeys or alpacas or something. Or camera guys.


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[Assistant] That's the plan, but, you know, I've been talking about drawing in Idaho since, you know.


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[Assistant] Yes, please. It would, it would be fun if I drew, but I'm, right now I'm doing a lot of e-scouting for my Arizona. You know, once I drew the Arizona, uh,


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[Assistant] I didn't apply for Deer Pronghorn Wyoming. It's like, I must be slowing down and getting old or something or I just, maybe I can't eat as much meat as I used to. I don't know. But, uh, I've really been putting a lot of emphasis on that and I'll be honest with you.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty excited about that, huh, because of the moisture that's there. Uh, it's known as a pretty good unit, uh, but I love


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think they'll listen. You can play the card, but. The one thing, the one thing is though, they gotta let me do the Gatton and Gillinan. And every guest we have, like on the sweepstakes winners, I'm like, Hey,


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[Assistant] I don't, I'm not quote unquote getting anything out of this hunt, but if you really felt like you want to show some, like, if you want to call it appreciation or whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Let me do the Guttman and Gillen. And they're like, I mean, what? You want to do that? Yes. And so.


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[Assistant] For me, I think it's just this mental thing where there's carcass or there's elk.


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[Assistant] It goes from being the breathing, living thing that's so fascinating and so amazing to, okay, now it's a carcass and now it's food. So, it's this process within about two hours, it goes from that to that. And something, I...


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[Assistant] Well, I tried to filet some walleyes this weekend, Cory, and, you know, the way you gotta turn your wrist, cause that one tendon, they couldn't attach it, and I can't turn my wrist to articulate it that direction, and when I try to, there's no strength there.


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[Assistant] It is, and I got back from Alaska in May and I shot a really nice black bear there. And I told Jace and Jim, I'm like, you guys are probably going to have to do the Gatton and Gillen.


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[Assistant] Cause the doctor told me, don't be doing that with sharp knives with all the weakness in your right hand or don't use your left hand cause you won't have much control over it. Well, I just couldn't resist myself. I'm like, Jace, hold this leg. And I just started and I got through it. It wasn't my best work, but it's, uh,


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[Assistant] You got through it without another scar, so.


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[Assistant] A question we got, and a question some guys, I had coffee with them here in Bozeman last week. They drew an archery tag in Montana that could be in the hotter part of September.


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[Assistant] They asked, wow, there's four of us going in here, and we're going way the heck in here.


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[Assistant] That was kinda it. How do we take care of the first elk we shoot while we try to kill three more? Or the first two after we try to kill two more? And, uh,


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[Assistant] A part of me is like, well, we're gonna get the first one killed and worry about it. Uh, but it really got into a lot of things about, and we've covered this before, ways to keep elk meat from spoiling.


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[Assistant] Fortunately, they're, they're, they've listened, they said, oh, we've listened to Corey about when the great moon phase is, that's when we're going this year.


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[Assistant] But they said, we've listened to your podcast and we just have all these questions about how are we going to keep the meat from spoiling? And I told them,


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[Assistant] You know, the things we always talk about here, and I said...


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[Assistant] The reality might come down. If you get one of those hot stretches where it's getting in the high eighties, you're probably not going to be able to let that thing hang more than a day. And you're just going to have to.


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[Assistant] And that becomes so much of an issue in archery hunting. Yeaah. Just cause...


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[Assistant] You can't get those days. I mean, you can't even into October, but in September.


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[Assistant] It's just an issue. It's not the issue you wanna try to solve.


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[Assistant] Once you're out there, you got a dead elk and it's 88 degrees. You want to have a plan for that. You want to know what you need to do. And the tools and the knowledge way before you ever get out.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Dang. You're like Bill Nye the science guy running


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[Assistant] The plan needs to be something you've thought about before you went out there.


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[Assistant] Another thing I caution those guys is, if you do, well first of all, if you can,


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[Assistant] Do it. Do the gutless method because your risk of puncturing a bacteria infested area is way less when you do the gutless method. If you do have a hit that's gonna open up some stomach or some gut, don't,


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[Assistant] Don't let that touch your meat. That is bacteria. And if you have a piece of meat and you're like, oh, I don't want to waste any, I get that.


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[Assistant] But grabbing something that has been exposed to that bacteria in super warm weather and then putting it in a game bag with all this, all these back straps or a great, you know, hind quarter. We can go right back to the pee in the pool.


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[Assistant] But that's, that's the other thing in warm weather. I mean, yeah, you wouldn't want to do it even in cold weather probably, but it, the, the negative consequences in warm weather are going to be way more amplified and that's one of the-


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[Assistant] I mean, that's, those are the two things you need to avoid. And that stomach, that gut, that intestine is a bacteria. You've got a starter plant there.


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[Assistant] Look at why it bloats up really quickly and gets really warm. That's the action of bacteria and everything else.


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[Assistant] So, it's, it was good that they, they got a hold of me a couple days before and they said, you know, here's a list of questions we have for you. And it caused me to kind of think this through.


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[Assistant] Well, they had emailed us on the Elk Talk podcast and I recognized the name. I emailed them, I'm like, hey Nick, you live in Bozeman?


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[Assistant] And the amount of research they have already done. This wasn't the, hey, can you tell me where to kill an owl? This was. What's your number one piece of advice? Yeah, it was none of that. So it's really fun to help guys who are that gung-ho. They're dedicated. They have already their maps issued.


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[Assistant] There's a pack that's in there and I've come so close to shooting them at a time or two, but as you saw, there's quite a bit of timber in some of those places and they just.


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[Assistant] Ah, yeaah. They cover a lot of ground-way talkers, we do, but...


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[Assistant] Well, that's the beauty of trash. They're, they're working on it kinda like a game.


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[Assistant] I'm speaking personally. The pay cuts my wife and I go to move to Montana.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I had a legislator one time, I was like, I can't believe you get this worked up over a $20 Alk Tech. I'm like, wait a sec.


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[Assistant] Back in 1991, my wife and I combined were making less than $50,000, but we took about a $12,000 or $13,000 pay cut back then. So, you know, it was probably, at that time, I'm guessing a combined 30% pay cut.


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[Assistant] And he looked at me like, what do you mean? I said, well, do you want to go elk hunting? Yeah. There are some people who say, oh, I just want to go elk hunting. And there are some people who say, my life path, I want to be an elk hunter.


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[Assistant] That person who says this is what I want to be, they're going to work at that craft every day doing something. They're going to show up with three pages of questions. Yeah. Or they're going to be working out. They're going to be watching their diet. They're going to be exercising. They're going to be e-scouting. They're going to be researching. They're going to shoot in their bow. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That is the person who is an elk hunter. The guy who says, well, someday I'd like to shoot an elk. Well, he wants to go elk hunting.


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[Assistant] And I know one requires the other, but they're not the same. Nope.


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[Assistant] And that's why I think Elk hunting is so appealing and so attracting is it's not as rare as a sheep tag or a gold or moose tag or something. So it is attainable and it just can, it can


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[Assistant] Grab you and immerse you to a degree that every day, even in the cold of winter or the heat of summer, you can be doing something to hone your craft to improve.


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[Assistant] Your, you know, your progression down that path as an elk hunter.


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[Assistant] It's a lifetime thing. You just, it's like you raised your hand and said, this is what I'm gonna do the rest of my life. Yup.


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[Assistant] You just seem like you get as much if not more fun out of someone else shooting an elk than yourself.


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[Assistant] If I had to be honest about it, as much as I enjoy filling my own tag,


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[Assistant] And it was a nine hour hike in there. So I was really glad to have these llamas. Anyhow, we go in and we scout for two days and we're, the two days of scouting was really, really helpful. I mean, we, we, we covered a lot of ground, glassed a lot of ground. It's like, boy, this was worthwhile.


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[Assistant] Opening morning, I was, we split up, Jason and I went one way, Marcus went with Bo and Mike, and


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[Assistant] Well, we were all together and we heard this bull bugling and they went after it. They're like, man.


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[Assistant] Then we get in reach, bowled down. I'm like, man, they got him. Holy smoke. So I in reach him. I'm like, I'll go back to camp and I'll water the llamas and I'll, you know, do whatever I'll, let me get back there. And they come back to camp.


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[Assistant] Or Bo does. Mike and Mark has kept hunting. Bo comes back to camp.


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[Assistant] And he's like, he had a nickname, I can't remember what nickname he gave this bullbot. I'm like, mmm, tough.


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[Assistant] Bo had told Mike, you shoot him when he comes out. You, you shoot him all, all the way. And he comes out and Mike looks at the camera like, is that him?


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[Assistant] And Marcus said that, I said, I don't know, and he bugled out in the open. And Marcus was like, yeaah, that's him. And Mike's like, oh man, I don't know if I'm gonna shoot him. And Bo stands up, he's like, I need help mate, BOOM! But the point of it was is,


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[Assistant] I thought he was bigger than any bull we'd seen by scouting, the way he was just, and he was really getting with it, and deep, and then he turns out to be a two and a half year old.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, Bo was so excited. When Bo came back to camp, he's like, I got him. I got him a little tuffy something. He had a name for him already made up.


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[Assistant] But the point of that was, one...


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[Assistant] The, you know, maybe the pipsqueak or don't put all your chips on the growly one cause it could be one way or the other.


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[Assistant] We'd stop and took a break at one time and Bo said, when I left the house, Kirsten told me, don't come back without an elk. So if you guys pass any, I'm shooting them. It's like two days, three days later. That's exactly what happened. And Bo was so excited. I've been looking at the footage of the hunt and it's so much fun.


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[Assistant] It kind of reminded, because I was the last to kill it out on that hunt. Mike and Bo both killed opening day.


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[Assistant] I was just so excited and I, if I wouldn't have shot a bowl, I wouldn't.


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[Assistant] There's one up on the ridge, bugling, responding to bow. And this guy, I can hear walking.


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[Assistant] I'm like, this is getting really close and I heard some rock roll. I'm like, is there a bull coming in here?


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden I look and he's standing in an opening just looking at Bo. 110 yards, well with it.


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[Assistant] Center fire rifle. If you can't shoot a bull elk at 110 yards with a center fire rifle, it's time to go home.


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[Assistant] But again, there's just all these little things you go through every hunt, whether it's success like that one or failure or you know, whatever you want to call it, not filling a tag.


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[Assistant] The lessons, that, that encounter right there.


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[Assistant] Hey y'all folks, really appreciate everybody doing that. And we're here at TAC, Total Archery Challenge. And it's a big deal for RMEA if they're having a big celebration tomorrow. They're having the World Outcalling Championship. So maybe we should have recorded this tomorrow night.


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[Assistant] After? After he's... Maybe you're gonna...


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[Assistant] The other thing tomorrow night is we gotta raise a lot of money for the Oak Foundation. I gotta MC the big whoop-de-doo tomorrow night.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, I guess that's what they call a rap. I think that's good. Uh, how many more, uh, the, uh, reaching your peak episodes? We're running.


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[Assistant] Anyhow folks, thanks for being here. Until the next time, I hope you're all doing well and hope summer's going good for you. And it won't be long, Cory. It's gonna be just over two months. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's coming fast. I gotta get this healed up here.


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[Assistant] You told me you've been shooting good, so. I have been actually. I'm surprised how much easier archery was with all this messed up stuff than rifle.


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[Assistant] I would have thought it would be the other way around, but the, the results of my groups say that archery is easier to do with this injury than a rifle. So, anyhow, thanks for being here.


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[Assistant] Welcome to Reaching Your Peak, an educational storytelling miniseries of the Elk Talk Podcast.


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[Assistant] This is Corey Jacobson and today I'm going to be sharing a story from one of my previous do it yourself public land elk hunts, and then breaking down a strategy or a tactic that was instrumental in the success of that hunt.


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[Assistant] Welcome to another episode of Reaching Your Peak.


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[Assistant] And a continued thank you for all the comments and the messages that you're sending in.


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[Assistant] We really appreciate that feedback and we appreciate the questions.


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[Assistant] Keep them coming. Just go to the elk talk podcast website.


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[Assistant] And go to the contact link and you can send your suggestions, questions, feedback, uh, through that. So I hope you're enjoying these elk hunting stories and the lessons that accompany them.


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[Assistant] I know it's been fun for me to go back and not only revisit some of these stories, but to reflect a little deeper on.


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[Assistant] Some of the nearly forgotten or overlooked details from these hunts. I have a pretty good visual in my mind of each of my hunts, but there's so many details that I'm realizing now that I've glossed over and it's been really educational for me to go back


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[Assistant] And correlate some of these lessons learned with these different hunts.


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[Assistant] We're now officially inside of three months until this year's elk season. I hope everyone's.


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[Assistant] Preparations are underway and going well because it's going to be here before we know it, but.


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[Assistant] To help us pass the time between now and elk season, I have another elk hunting story to share.


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[Assistant] I've been an elk caller since before I was old enough to hunt elk. I can still vividly remember calling a nice five point bull into a skid row that I was hiking down with my mom when I was just 10 years old, back when the legal hunting age here in Idaho was 12. My mom had drawn a cow tag that year, so.


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[Assistant] Calling in a bowl to her didn't produce a notch tag, but...


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[Assistant] It did stoke that fire that had already been lit within me for calling L.


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[Assistant] Elk are such incredible animals, and I'm sure I'd probably still have some desire to hunt them.


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[Assistant] Even if they didn't bugle, but it's the fact that they do bugle that makes it impossible for me to stop thinking about them just about every day of the year.


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[Assistant] I've been accused of calling too much. I've been told that I call too aggressively.


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[Assistant] Heck, I've even been told that I'm personally to blame for all the elk becoming call shy and unresponsive to calls. But in all of these accusations, one fact remains and that is I love calling elk. So.


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[Assistant] When Randy Newberg called me up early in the spring of 2016 and told me he had a challenge for me, if I was up to accepting it,


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[Assistant] I said yes before he even fully explained what the challenge actually was.


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[Assistant] There was a unit in New Mexico that he had hunted a couple of times previously and he wanted to take me down to that unit and see if I could call in an elk there.


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[Assistant] He had experienced success hunting in that unit before, but it had always been by spot and stock. He was pretty certain.


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[Assistant] The ilk that were in that unit were impossible to call in and


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[Assistant] I'm not sure if you wanted to take me there to set me up to fail.


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[Assistant] Or if it was just to see if his calling was what was keeping the elk from coming in. But either way, I was a hundred percent in.


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[Assistant] Aside from the obstacle of trying to call in uncooperative elk there in that unit,


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[Assistant] There was one more unknown that stood in our way and that was getting a tag.


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[Assistant] Randy warned me that there were only, I think, three tags for non-residents in that unit.


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[Assistant] And that our odds of drawing two of those tags together on a party application.


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[Assistant] Was gonna be really low, but we applied for that unit as our first choice hunt and then we waited for the draw results.


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[Assistant] It was several weeks later when I got a phone call from Randy and he was pretty excited and in a bit of disbelief I think.


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[Assistant] But he verified we had beat the odds and we'd drawn our first choice health tags in New Mexico.


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[Assistant] And as we concluded that conversation, he said something to the effect of, you'd better get your bugle tube warmed up now if you want to have any chance of calling in elk down there in September. Challenge accepted. I work really hard to keep my elk hunting confidence from turning into arrogance. Well, it's probably more accurate to say that


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[Assistant] The elk work really hard to keep my elk hunting confidence from turning into arrogance. I've been humbled by elk.


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[Assistant] Every single season I've hunted them, all 35 plus seasons now. I walk into the first day of every elk hunt


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[Assistant] Filled with anticipation but also with some uncertainty.


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[Assistant] Knowing that there are a lot of factors that are outside my control to ever assume any hunt is going to go smoothly.


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[Assistant] But I might've allowed my confidence to possibly slip dangerously close to arrogance.


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[Assistant] As I assured Randy that I could call in an Elk in any unit, anywhere in September.


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[Assistant] My strategy of covering a lot of ground and finding the one, the one bull that's fired up and bugling on that particular day that we're hunting.


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[Assistant] Had been a pretty consistent strategy over the past 20 Elk seasons.


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[Assistant] In fact, over the past 20 seasons leading up to that hunt,


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[Assistant] I only had one elk tag that had gone unfilled.


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[Assistant] Coincidentally, that one unsuccessful hunt occurred the last time Randy and I had hunted elk together. But this time was going to be different and I was certain of that. I was going to prove to Randy that you can call in elk anywhere and show him that it's just a matter of finding the right elk. And in a place like the Gila in New Mexico, it would probably be like shooting fish in a barrel.


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[Assistant] It's probably worth mentioning also that we would be hunting during a full moon and in drought conditions and in some pretty extreme heat, but.


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[Assistant] I had been challenged and in addition to wanting to prove my calling abilities to Randy, he'd also awakened my competitive side as well.


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[Assistant] Around the same time that we found out we'd drawn our New Mexico tags, I got another phone call from my good friend, David Brinker. And at the time, Brinker was the marketing guy for Sitka.


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[Assistant] And he'd been brainstorming a film project that he wanted to produce to spotlight the history of modern day elk calling. And the film would be called The Linguist.


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[Assistant] And Brinker wanted to send a camera guy to follow me around that fall to illustrate just how effective Colleen Elk can be.


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[Assistant] And you can probably see where all of this is heading. Then potter.


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[Assistant] Met me at the airport in Albuquerque the day before our hunt started.


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[Assistant] Randy had driven down a day or two earlier with his cameraman Marcus as he had another hunt or maybe two hunts, uh, in New Mexico that fall, but.


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[Assistant] That allowed me to fly down for the hunt and save the extra days it would have taken me to drive down there.


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[Assistant] So Ben picked me up and we started the drive to camp and one thing.


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[Assistant] In New Mexico, you aren't allowed to camp on state land and that meant we had to drive.


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[Assistant] All of these hunters would be leaving camp early the next morning for opening morning


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[Assistant] If I show up on a hunt and get camp set up and can hear an elk bugle from camp.


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[Assistant] It just gives an extra boost of confidence and anticipation and you know, as, as rare as it is.


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[Assistant] I just, I expected to hear elk giggling from camp. I expected to be greeted by Randy's report of.


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[Assistant] All the bulls he and Marcus had found while they were scouting the past day or two.


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[Assistant] And while he was still the same usual optimistic person he always is, his scouting report didn't include any bugling. They'd seen a few elk, but up to that point, they hadn't heard any bugles. So we still had an hour or so before it got dark.


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[Assistant] That night when we arrived at camp, so we just jumped in the side by side and headed up the mountain into our unit.


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[Assistant] The moon, the number of other hunters all concentrated into that one small area, and now lack of bugles. I remember driving back down to camp.


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[Assistant] Just had a sinking feeling in my stomach that, you know, it was a discouraged feeling and the hunt hadn't even started yet.


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[Assistant] There was still anticipation the next morning, but I was pretty sure this hunt probably wasn't going to be the normal Gila hunt New Mexico that I'd always heard about and dreamt about.


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[Assistant] It was four o'clock that afternoon on opening day when we finally heard our first bugle and it took covering a ton of miles on foot, but it was still opening day and we had a bugling bull a half mile below us on a really good looking ridge.


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[Assistant] So he scrambled down the mountain and got the wind in our favor. And I can remember thinking that I wish the bull would be in a little more vocal. We'd got him to bugle a couple times. He'd answered my location bugles, but he wasn't bugling on his own.


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[Assistant] And as we got down there on the ridge that he was on and got to a place that looked like a good setup.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was quiet for probably 20 or 25 minutes before he finally let out another bugle just up the ridge from us. The bull slowly and quietly