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[Assistant] Make us all feel better. So yeah, I think you bring up a good point. You don't mow your yard, your neighbor is eventually going to come over and be like, ah, he's probably still struggling from that COVID thing and I'm going to mow his yard for him.


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[Assistant] No kidding, a moose and a goat tag on the same day in the same year. Incredible. In the same unit. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is also brought to you by Mountain Ops, making outdoor energy and performance nutrition to make you a stronger and healthier elk hunter.


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[Assistant] They have a full line of hunting related supplements, including meal replacement shakes, multivitamins, pre-workout fuel, and post-workout recovery. And my favorite, their new performance protein bars that by the way are packed with 270 calories and 20 grams of protein, but contain less than six grams of sugar.


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[Assistant] Visit MountainOps.com to learn more and to order and be sure to use the promo code ELKTOCK to save on your next order.


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[Assistant] And we have a promo code for Gerber as well, just use the code elktalk to save 20% on your orders at gerbergear.com.


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[Assistant] And we are also brought to you by Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls. And Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls is the original designer and inventor of the pallet plate diaphragm that's completely changed the way elk calls are made and used. And to find out more and to order your elk calls, go to rockymountainhuntingcalls.com.


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[Assistant] or buglingbull.com and use promo code elktalk and you're going to save 15% on all of your elk calls and elk call accessories.


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[Assistant] Lastly, the University of Elk Hunting online course is a proud partner of the Elk Talk podcast. And within the University of Elk Hunting online course, you're going to find nearly 60 chapters organized in 17 modules of elk hunting instruction aimed at making you a more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] Just visit elk101.com and use the promo code ELKDOC to save 20% when you sign up for a membership to the University of Elk Hunting online course.


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[Assistant] Like I told you, if I would have been paying attention, I would have called you and reminded you.


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[Assistant] I am the holder of 16 mule deer bonus points.


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[Assistant] Fortunately, GoHunt had some good information and yeaah, I got applied, so.


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[Assistant] How many elk points do you have in Colorado? I have the same, so I have 16 this year, I'll have 17 next year.


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[Assistant] But April 6th folks, April 6th is the deadline, 8pm.


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[Assistant] And then you gotta buy, what's this stamp? There's some stamp you gotta buy.


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[Assistant] I have, one time, the only time I've actually hunted in Colorado was Archie.


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[Assistant] And which dates did you pick? We hunted opening day.


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[Assistant] It definitely makes it tough because that's one of my favorite weeks to hunt is that, you know, 12th through the 18th time frame. And it seems like every year that third week is when they're throwing the muzzleloader hunters in there in Colorado.


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[Assistant] So if you get a full moon that next week and you know, it's just makes it really difficult to decide when you're going to go hunt Colorado. So you're telling me I should buy a muzzleloader.


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[Assistant] And it depends, you know, I, I, some of the areas we hunt, I prefer to hunt early. Some of them I prefer to hunt during that lead up into the peak rut and some of them are, are better in the peak rut. And I think it really depends on, you know, the demographics of the elk, the bull to cow ratio, the overall population of elk.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we don't ever have any good answers, just opinions. We make it up on the go. I mean, that sounds a lot like a meteorologist. Yeah.


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[Assistant] They definitely make that chore a little easier. Uh, but no, and I, you know, there's days I love to go out and just...


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[Assistant] Allows the collar to be back behind the shooter and have the shooter actually be in the pocket when the elk hangs up if it's going to hang up.


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[Assistant] And then the last one is, you know, and especially if, you know, we noticed it and talked a lot about it when a Roosevelt hunting that thick country, your encounters are usually inside 20 yards. Most of the time, realistically, probably inside 10 or 15 yards.


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[Assistant] I think it's the part that's the most exciting, it's the part that's the most confusing, or it can be, uh, it's the part that there are so many variables that come into play that, you know, there's a hundred different answers you can give in every situation, and I think that,


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[Assistant] Cause that wind to continually be changing and shifting that even the best laid plan, the most strategic approach to getting the thermals right and getting in there can all be blown out of the water in a matter of seconds.


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[Assistant] It's, I wouldn't say constant in that direction, but the prevailing direction is coming from one area. Thermals are different. Thermals are just the natural draw of the air, the air current.


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[Assistant] You know inconsistencies in the wind and as long as you are moving into that little bit of wind with it coming into your face and you're moving side hill toward that elk so that the thermals are not working against you, it can definitely set you up to fail less.


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[Assistant] It's just so dynamic because if it's really warm out, say it gets up into the nineties and that night it only cools down to the mid fifties.


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[Assistant] And same with, you know, if it's really cold, you're going to, it's going to last a lot longer. If you have cloud cover, those thermals are going to continue coming down longer into the day. So it's not like, you know, sunrise where you can predict what time it's coming up over the mountain. It's a lot of factors that make that diurnal change happen.


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[Assistant] No, you read that one right, I read it as well, and my first thought was, well if you're using your tent as a ground blind, it might work out for you, but other than that...


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[Assistant] You got, I mean everything's going wrong. The Elcas are going up to bed for the day. They're gonna smell you when you're coming through your camp in the middle of the day. All the Elcas that are feeding throughout the night are gonna smell you all night. And it probably isn't gonna take too long for them to either move out or go nocturnal and quit talking. So I would definitely suggest relocating camp.


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[Assistant] Yep. And you and I, you know, we've talked a lot and I would say the majority of the questions that we get, uh, even from experienced elk hunters is, what's the secret to finding elk?


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[Assistant] Well I've learned that one the hard way, so you know, don't go out and find elk and then blow them out because you, you don't want to hike an extra 400 yards or whatever the...


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[Assistant] And they always gave us, hey, this is a national park. We want to preserve it. And these antlers provide, you know, they break down.


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[Assistant] And then as we started, you know, asking more and more, it really comes down to management. I mean, obviously in a national park.


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[Assistant] So I can see it there, but the rationale of antlers breaking down and decaying and going back into the ground to provide nutrients and everything.


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[Assistant] So that's why you go, and we used to go like starting in the mid 90's into Yellowstone when the elk population was at its absolute highest. There were so many elk there and we would go in September after we filled our tag in Idaho.


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[Assistant] Just to video elk, just to be around more elk bugle. And I thought if I'm gonna, you know, spend the rest of my vacation somewhere listening to elk bugle, where's the best place to go?


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[Assistant] Well, a herd of 24,000 elk in Yellowstone was the logical place. And in September, tourists are gone, there's no traffic, the campgrounds are empty, I didn't have to wait in line for cotton candy once, it was,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it goes back to that, that principle of, you know, there's a very small band of elevation where elk and deer winter. And, you know, it's not like a, an elk hunting spot where they can be spread out and somebody finds your spot. You can go to another one. Somebody finds your shed spot then.


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[Assistant] They are. Yeah. And it's, you know, every year is a little different by a couple weeks. This year seems to be a little later. Uh, again, we're


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[Assistant] And we saw I think 32 bowls the one day and only four of them had dropped.


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[Assistant] I'd rather, you know, wait until at least a good, a good wave of them have dropped, not be out there pushing it as soon as one antler drops, then the elk gets scattered and it's, uh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and in midsummer as they're, you know, peaking on their antler growth, it's as much as an inch a day that they'll add on of antler growth. Wow.


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[Assistant] No, and I'm with you. I love being out there that first to middle of May and to see some of those bulls. The ones that you know are going to be the big ones because they're already, you know, starting their fourth points and some of them are just, they have little nubs still on their heads. So that much of a head start, you know, that,


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[Assistant] Those are the ones that started early and are putting more effort into it and gonna be rewarded when they rub the velvet off.


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[Assistant] We'll be hitting it hard over the next three or four weeks and doing some good trips. And are you going to sell them?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we uh, usually keep like the biggest set I find every year, but I sell everything else. It helps, helps pay for my addiction.


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[Assistant] A waypoint that you can send to me.


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[Assistant] I remember hanging that in a tree. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] You know, for me, when I came down and hunted with you, I think the biggest help on that was you had tents and cots with you.


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[Assistant] Those are overweight, oversized baggage in addition to the baggage fees they charge. So yeaah. Have a check.


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[Assistant] If it's, if it's going to take away from having fun on the trip because you are so nervous and scared of the bears, you probably shouldn't be hunting in grizzly country.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, for us, there's always that apprehension, you know, nervousness, extra caution, but it doesn't take away from the fact that when we hear an elk bugle, we're still elk hunting and it's a lot of fun. We just take more precautions as we're doing it.


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[Assistant] Realize that hey, this is a higher risk activity than normal and we take those measures to avoid.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we uh, we had several of those conversations as we were driving the 30 or 40 minutes up the road in the almost dark.


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[Assistant] Realizing that our trail camera was still hanging on the tree and we had to go and get it.


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[Assistant] I like to sit down with a piece of paper and a pencil and draw it out and write out all of the


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[Assistant] And so the poor people who actually want to draw that tag, their odds are going to go down, which it just, it goes right back into that mentality. The people who want bonus points, reference points,


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[Assistant] Want it because they want a tag in a hard to draw area and they think that's going to help them.


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[Assistant] And there is no method when you start involving a system like that, that is going to be helpful to get somebody a hard to draw tag. Your best chance of drawing a hard to draw tag is with a random pool.


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[Assistant] And, you know, just looking at, I looked back six years.


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[Assistant] You know, and that's just, that's the basics of a preference point system. You can look at it and say, there's going to be point creep for this many years based on this many tags and this many applicants.


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[Assistant] No, I think that's fair, and I do like the set aside where it is, hey, there's a hundred tags, residents get 90 of them, non-residents, here's your 10, and you guys fight over these, and residents fight over these. It's just, you know, in Idaho, and I think the way that


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[Assistant] You know, we get 96 or whatever, but as a nonresident in 49 other states, like you say, it's, uh, I think a set aside of 10% is, is fair.


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[Assistant] And especially where it's been packed for non-residents, you go into a situation where they've been given 500 tags for the last 100 years and you take 250 of those and give them away to somebody else and especially somebody that lives across the mountain range from them. They wouldn't like it.


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[Assistant] Where it's going to be harder to get a tag, whether that's in the form of financially or waiting in line or whatever it might be, but non-residents will be the first ones to


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[Assistant] To not be able to purchase more than 80 acres, that makes no sense.


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[Assistant] Sat there and thought, we need this. The people of Montana need this. It's going to be beneficial to them to do that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we just, the only way to make this work is


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[Assistant] Recruit more, retain more, and provide more access and more, more of a pie.


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[Assistant] Put our voice in the fight and to protect what we love.


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[Assistant] If you're looking to increase your success, whatever that might be, uh, the University of Alcantin was created to align with that, so. And what was the promo code? Promo code outtalk, right? That's pretty simple.


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[Assistant] Their workout, getting ready for elk season, hopefully that's what they're doing. Right? I hope that's what they're doing. That's not what I'm doing.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations, so we usually go down some rabbit holes, but-


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is also brought to you by Mountain Ops, making outdoor energy and performance nutrition to make you a stronger and healthier elk hunter.


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[Assistant] They have a full line of hunting related supplements including meal replacement shakes, multivitamins, pre-workout fuel and post-workout recovery, and my favorite, their new performance protein bars that by the way are packed with 270 calories and 20 grams of protein, but contain less than 6 grams of sugar.


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[Assistant] Visit mountainops.com to learn more and to order and be sure to use the promo code Elk Talk to save on your next order.


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[Assistant] And we have a promo code for Gerber as well. Just use the code ELKTALK to save 20% on your orders at gerbergear.com.


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[Assistant] Lastly, the University of Elk Hunting online course is a proud partner of the Elk Talk podcast. And within the University of Elk Hunting online course, you're going to find nearly 60 chapters organized in 17 modules of elk hunting instruction aimed at making you a more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] Just visit elk101.com and use the promo code ELKDOC to save 20% when you sign up for a membership to the University of Elk Hunting online course.


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[Assistant] They ended up getting a guy open at the top of the key and he banked in a three pointer as the buzzer went off and they won by three so.


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[Assistant] A little bit of a heartbreak and then our varsity team made it to state just the second time in 33 years.


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[Assistant] And, uh, never been in the state championship game, never won a championship, and we defied all odds and made it to the championship game and lost to an incredible team by seven points, so.


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[Assistant] Does the audience know that you were a college basketball player? I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] It's amazing how many bills are being presented this year that affect hunting. It seems like every state has them.


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[Assistant] Now they're gonna take that decreased pool and take even more tags out of it to give to outfitters.


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[Assistant] Something Cho ever takes vacation. Every time we send him something, he has it back to us, like in an hour. Yeaah, I know.


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[Assistant] Uh, actually I just went and picked up a trail camera yesterday that was on a dead elk, a dead bull elk that the wolves had killed and I had put a trail camera on it and it was amazing the amount of wildlife that come to a dead elk.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that were there. It was pretty awesome listening to them because they have video with audio and they were growling and...


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[Assistant] First of the year somewhere in there and took pictures of these tracks and brought them back and I was like, that has to be a wolverine. And, uh, but I'd never seen wolverine tracks in that area, never obviously seen a wolverine.


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[Assistant] So yea, that was exciting. That was my lead into, uh, wolves. And this particular pack of wolves, I have never heard them howl.


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[Assistant] And they must have heard the snowmobiles coming up the other side of the mountain and took off because it was like 1041. There were pictures of them there or videos of them. And I think at like 1130 we were sitting on the hillside watching the kill and they didn't come back till the next day.


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[Assistant] And, you know, it's kind of similar to what the elk are doing. The elk have realized that if they bugle a lot, then it's like ringing a dinner bell. So they are less vocal, uh, in some areas. We've had areas where they're still, and there's wolves there, where they're still incredibly vocal. And I don't know,


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[Assistant] Uh, and he just, like I said, he was very vocal answering the wolves, but then other times I've had elk bugling like crazy and wolves start howling and the elk go completely silent and I slip in and the elk are right there in the same meadow feeding but no longer bugling, so.


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[Assistant] Very, uh, nomadic anymore. I'm pretty sure that has to do with staying ahead of the wolves.


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[Assistant] So that's been the biggest thing for me is not so much, the vocalization is definitely decreased, but I think that they'll still talk, uh, but now it's way harder to find them. And when you find them one day and go back the next day and it's silent in there, it's not necessarily because they aren't bugling, it's probably because they've moved a long ways.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and when it comes to calling, you know, you aren't gonna probably


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[Assistant] Walk out on the, on the edge of a road and cast a bugle out and a mile and a half away have an elk answer it. You know, they're just, you have to get closer to them to get them to respond initially. Uh, you have to get closer to them to keep them responding and make them interested. You know, I think in that way, it's definitely changed the elk calling.


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[Assistant] November third. But then the crazy thing, it stood there.


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[Assistant] And it ended up walking back out into the open and down into the timber and then came through an opening in the timber and he shot it and hit it, so.


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[Assistant] And the truth is, elk live everywhere from sea level to 14,000 feet. And there's just no band where you can say, this is a prime elevation for elk. It really depends on the habitat and the terrain and the area, the weather, the season, so many things. Uhm, but yeaah, we've hunted elk.


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[Assistant] This is an elevation where elk will be or won't be cause.


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[Assistant] Should we give them a teaser of some of the topics that will be added and updated here in the near future?


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[Assistant] I just have a few of them written down here on a little sticky note.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're going to add an archery section and a rifle section, which will, uh, you know, the, I think a lot of people have actually asked for those sections because we don't cover, you know, what green arrow should you be shooting? What kind of broadheads should you be shooting? And that's, again, this is going to be somewhat


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[Assistant] Uh, we're going to add to the Elk Call section, uh, with some taking care of elk calls and some expectations of how long they should be lasting.


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[Assistant] Dive in and add some detail to that. Solo hunting, hunting at altitude.


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[Assistant] And if people are successful, they're going to love elk hunting. If they aren't successful, they're going to hate it. And they're going to give up at some point. And I want people to love elk hunting.


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[Assistant] They want it left as is, they want less hunters, they just want to be able to go out, fill their tag without having to work real hard for it and not ever have to worry about somebody else, you know, competing with somebody else's success.


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[Assistant] Yes, we were in Northern Idaho when I grew up. We would, uh, the whitetails usually start dropping about Christmas, the week before Christmas. And they would really, by New Year's, you know, that first week of January, they were really hitting the ground.


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[Assistant] I've noticed that it seems to be getting later a little bit, especially mule deer. You know what I mean? In mule deer, I found mule deer in early part of December, which is odd. It's usually mid-January.


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[Assistant] Trying to keep an eye on them. Yeah. And that's a lot of our wolf hunting is, uh, in areas where the bulls are. And I mean, it's, it's, uh, twofold.


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[Assistant] The benefit there, the one is, you know, the wolves are going to be where the bulls are right now and we're going to do our best to protect the elk.


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[Assistant] They'll start, I mean the bigger bulls, I've even, you know, this time, it wouldn't surprise me to see a bigger bull in certain areas, uh, lower elevation areas, especially dropping right now, but for the most part, you know, we see, I would say 50% of the elk are still pack in the first week of April, and then, uh,


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[Assistant] I'd say a good 10 to 15% drop their antlers a week each week from there and the younger ones seem to be the last ones to drop and it's usually


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[Assistant] I don't even make much of a mention of Washington in the online course, and I have never hunted Washington, but I will hunt Washington someday. But people are always like, why the hate for Washington? I don't hate Washington, I just think that there's nine better choices.


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[Assistant] How's that huh? That's pretty cool. You know, we were actually just talking, uh,


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[Assistant] Their questions, their ideas for topics or things that they want to learn about.


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[Assistant] Thanks Cory. No, thank you and thanks for, uh, thanks for all that you do to keep everybody on top of all these bills and being a voice and advocate for.


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[Assistant] It's time you research and get all the facts. You don't sound completely ignorant when you send in your comments or stand up and take your two minutes of time. It's, uh, takes a lot of time and energy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well it's covered now, you walk inside it, but you used to go outside, get your ice cream, sit there. Oh yeah, we'd go there, we'd skip high school and go over to the Dairy Queen and get a Dairy Queen in the middle of winter when it was twenty-one sometimes.


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[Assistant] He talked me into doing it. I didn't want to do it. I was like, I'm busy and no hunters want to hear what I have to say. And then he's like, no, I think you should do it with me because they really want to hear about that stuff. And then it's somehow turned into my podcast. So I just tell people, if you're getting too many health podcasts, it's because my husband's never home. He's out hunting.


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[Assistant] And the podcast is also brought to you by OnX Maps. And with OnX Maps you can know where you stand with the most accurate hunting GPS tech on the market with land ownership maps that work offline.


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[Assistant] And we are also brought to you by Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls. And Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls is the original designer and inventor of the pallet plate diaphragm that's completely changed.


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[Assistant] So I, I can't say that. I have never personally built an entire diaphragm call in my life.


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[Assistant] So you were, uh, how long ago was it? In my mind I'm thinking five, six years ago you came on as the general manager. The GM actually, uh,


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[Assistant] And there's a, I don't know, now's probably good as time as any to talk about it, but there's been some other significant changes.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, your involvement in national sales and then GM and I think, you know, from, from my standpoint, I'm very close to the company, maybe not close to the inside doings of the company because I've never been involved on the business side of it. But when my parents, you know, are the owners of a business,


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[Assistant] I got to know Kurt really well as the GM and saw firsthand.


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[Assistant] And so from that standpoint, there's been a lot of really cool products that I've seen, some that have made it on the shelf, some that haven't. Most of them started with Bondo. And for those of you that never had a product with Bondo inside your mouth, uhm, there may be help.


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[Assistant] The business side and that's something, you know, my dad was a logger. He was an outfitter and to take it to that next level was tough. I remember we were hunting with a friend one time and I think I may have been in college or shortly after that.


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[Assistant] And you know, there were, there were things that happened that helped it grow from there. But when Kurt stepped in that growth on a huge business level.


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[Assistant] When I ran into Grant Foster yesterday, who was the guy who wrote the patent, and actually the guy who defended the patent in court when Primos had it, and uh, yeaah, just a lot of...


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[Assistant] So that's why, you know, you use the red-green example of, hey, I brought you something red, you want something green, I'll bring that back. There's also another way to do that, and that's convince them that they need red. And that's, you know, explain to them, educate them on that. And I think there's a lot of that that goes on.


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[Assistant] People give up too early and if they don't believe in a product or have a product they believe in or are passionate about enough to be able to say,


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[Assistant] Listen, I know that this is different. This is something that's going to be completely different on your shelf, but here is why it's going to work and explain to them. And as I say the word explain, like it's a one time conversation, it might be a three year explanation that they need, but there's a,


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[Assistant] A level of quality that has to be there for a product, you know, you see people that develop a product that's phenomenal and they're terrible marketers or terrible business people, nobody ever knows about it. And then you see somebody that


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[Assistant] You know, puts lipstick on a pig and go and sell it to anybody. And there's that side of it, but having a high quality product that is marketed the right way, it starts speaking for itself. I mean, just through those people coming up and showing you those pictures and being able to share in their success is a huge.


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[Assistant] If I find a better diaphragm call that's not made by you, I'm going to use it.


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[Assistant] I am going to use the best product. And I don't know if he ever took that as any kind of motivation to keep making better products, but I can honestly say I've had every kind of a diaphragm melt call in my mouth. And there are a lot of good products out there.


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[Assistant] But when it comes to a quality product that I need to be able to rely on, I'm still here.


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[Assistant] We want to create a custom Sitka cover for bugle tubes and we'd like to talk to somebody at Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls, who should we call? So we'll call Kurt, I'll call him for you and let him know that you're calling. And they say, I don't remember what they ordered, 100 or 200 bugle tubes.


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[Assistant] And they had these 200, I think it was 200 bugle tube covers made with the, with the Bully Bull Extreme Bugle Tube. And they might have used 20 or 30 of them for promotional things. And they called me and said, Hey,


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[Assistant] And it didn't take very long to start getting the messages and the emails coming through. How can I get one? Did you just cut a sleeve off of a shirt? What did you do to create that? I want one. I will pay whatever it takes. I mean, I had a guy offer me a hundred dollars just for the cloth off of mine to put on his bugle too.


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[Assistant] Because they're placing orders right now or previously for orders to be shipped right now for hundreds or thousands of these tubes and they might order them and realize hey I wanted 500 of those in the sit to cover. Exactly. And so that conversation had to happen. It had to. Ahead of having the tubes ready. It had to.


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[Assistant] But very limited initially until that next order comes in.


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[Assistant] You've got an elk call, you've got a loyal following, a big following of elk callers who love the elk calls, but a lot of them hunt coyotes, a lot of them hunt turkeys, and they have to go and...


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[Assistant] Continuing that snowball of, of loyalty and of, even beyond customers, retail, who now is getting the demand from customers saying, where are the Rocky Mountain Hunting Call turkey calls?


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[Assistant] And they said, well, we don't carry the turkey line. What? They're the best turkey calls there are. We need to carry those. And so that's, I mean, that's how retail, if enough customers come in.


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[Assistant] Asking for it? Retail's gonna call you and you make your job easier cause now they're calling you asking for the product instead of you having to knock their door down to deliver it. Create the demand.


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[Assistant] 26,000 acres of public land that had been available and now shut off because a gate had went up across the road and there was nothing anybody could do about it.


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[Assistant] So the Elk Foundation took the lead and said we need, we need to raise money, we need to buy that land.


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[Assistant] Huge, huge. People don't understand the minimal amount of obstacles it takes to shut off public land and the effort that's required to overcome those obstacles that the Elk Foundation puts as their mission for us and for Elk. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] You spend $35 for a membership. You're a year, your membership for the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. That money goes to projects just like that one at Falls Creek in Montana to open up access to conserve elk and elk habitat. And you get a $40 knife. Yeah. Yeah. When you told me about that, I thought, well, why didn't I get invited to help be a part of that?


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[Assistant] It's a phenomenal opportunity for somebody who's on the fence and thinking $35 is a lot of money, I need to buy a knife for this season. Now you can kill two elk with one stone. Wow, two elk with one stone.


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[Assistant] That's cool because, you know, for us with the Elk Talk podcast, Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls, Gerber, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, those are all supporters of our podcast who tie back together into conservation. And so I think just that synergy there of being like-minded and just working together makes a huge difference. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] In the bracket I was in could have been in the finals. There's no doubt. There's just, that's how good the competition is. And 10 years ago there were good callers, but not that deep in the bracket. It's not, not like it is now. It's, it's fun to see. It's fun to see that we didn't use to practice.


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[Assistant] One of the best patent attorneys in the United States. And when your dad and we'll put a deal together, your dad didn't realize it, but.


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[Assistant] He had worked with Grant to get the patent and when Primos and the guys bought it.


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[Assistant] And, and, and it was, it was, uh, unfortunate moving forward for Rocky Mountain Hunting cause several different ideas your dad has come with over the years to not have his services. We've got a good guy now, but, uh, but yeah, there's a little story with that as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've had that conversation with a guy or two. Not that I discourage anybody, you know, it's all hard work and determination, but there's, there's a learning curve and a whole amount of information out there that to the entrepreneur that sometimes they don't, they don't have privilege of knowing at the beginning.


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[Assistant] There's a performance element in that in the fact that there's people watching and you're having to perform your skill for judging and people judge you whether they're part of the judging panel or the audience. But so for me, uh, successful steps in a business,


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[Assistant] Is my competition. That's what I, that's what I turn it into that. And so I, I don't want somebody to tell me no if I don't feel like their answer is good enough. It's okay to tell me no if I understand why it's a no. And I'm like, cause if they say, well, we don't,


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[Assistant] The no is because you brought me something red and I wanted it green. That's okay. I'll come back to you tomorrow with something red. And so that's, that's kind of what it was about. I just, I just look at individual victories within what we're doing and uhm,


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[Assistant] Different places we've been able to place calls as a victory. I, I, uh, I place every time we


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[Assistant] And when it's, when it's a product that uhm, is a part of your life, that whether you were in the business, making, manufacturing, selling it,


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[Assistant] Just to sell it. He only focused on something that he would truly


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[Assistant] So easy to tell the story about the call, whether it's a first introduction to somebody about, Hey, here's Rocky Mountain hunting cause you may not have heard or seen it, but.


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[Assistant] And that was one of the areas that I knew something about, but I knew that...


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[Assistant] It wasn't my genius, if you will, and I wanted to surround my people.


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[Assistant] Or surround myself with people that had geniuses in areas that I didn't to be able to fulfill what I wanted from my position with Rocky Mountain.


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[Assistant] Because it's not his thing. So Mike brings an element to Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls that he can ask those questions that we as elk guys probably


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[Assistant] Nightingale had come up, and I don't know the years and that things, that's irrelevant, but Nightingale had created a bugle tube, and they had never put one on the market. And they sent one to Mike, and he got it, he opened it up, he looked at it, he said okay.


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[Assistant] He got on the phone, he called up the guys at night and he says,


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[Assistant] This thing's a piece of junk. It doesn't work. So what do you mean?


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[Assistant] When we work together on new stuff and where we're headed, he brings that side to Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls. That's very, very valuable.


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[Assistant] That's about as simple as it gets because there's no other change. Other than like I said, from day to day, the financial burden comes on us, not on your parents any longer. And we can free your dad of that burden and call upon him for some R&D stuff, call upon him for promotional. We'll handle the day to day finances.


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[Assistant] Like Cory said, the guys at Sitcomgo are super, super nice. I've started a relationship with those guys at the first of the year. And I'll admit, I tried to use, again, the business side of me to say, well,


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[Assistant] But the guys were great, they went to work with Legal at Gore and we worked it back and forth for about 90 days and we finally put the deal together.


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[Assistant] I think we do elk very well. I think we do it very well. I think that speaks for itself. But we have a few things with the elk world that we're working on. A couple of those projects we're going to bring Cory in on and help develop.


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[Assistant] Some of the other categories for Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls, we're not just one dimensional. We have, we have, we released a brand new line of turkey calls this year and it hurt.


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[Assistant] And I'll tell you why it hurt is because we had to concede a year ago after multiple years of trying desperately to make a relevant turkey call that a palate plate style turkey call is not the best turkey call.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] As our little group over here would like to know, uhm, is it best to try and locate the bulls in the evening time, go out early in the morning, try and hit the same area, or bugle as you're going in to try and locate?


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations so we usually go down some rabbit holes but


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[Assistant] And the podcast is also brought to you by OnX Maps. And with OnX Maps, you can know where you stand with the most accurate hunting GPS tech on the market with land ownership maps that work offline.


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[Assistant] And we have a promo code for Gerber as well. Just use the code ELKTALK to save 20% on your orders at gerbergear.com. And we are also brought to you by Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls. And Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls is the original designer and inventor of the pallet plate diaphragm that's completely changed.


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[Assistant] Lastly, the University of Elk Hunting online course is a proud partner of the Elk Talk podcast. And within the University of Elk Hunting online course, you're going to find nearly 60 chapters organized in 17 modules of elk hunting instruction aimed at making you a more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] Just visit elk101.com and use the promo code ELKDOC to save 20% when you sign up for a membership to the University of Elk Hunting online course.


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[Assistant] You know, that's, I think the poster you're referring to is out on Elk101's social media, and uh, I think they just asked a question like,


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's definitely changed. That's, uh, no doubt about it. And I, I actually was going through the, uh, University of Elk Hunting online course. We're doing some updates to it.


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[Assistant] And I'm kind of the same as I was looking through the online course material. There's a, you know, I make a comment about I was one of the last ones to take the plunge and buy a GPS unit and all my friends had them. And I just, you know, I always looked at GPS units as that's for people who get lost out in the woods.


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[Assistant] I don't ever get lost, so I don't need a GPS, but when I got one, I realized how much I'd been missing out on, and, you know, that comment's still in there, that was one of the last ones to get on board with the GPS unit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and honestly, you can go all day on even taking pictures and using, you know, on X, the, the hunt app quite frequently out in the field. I rarely drain my battery to below half on my phone.


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[Assistant] Well, it's, I mean, the easiest way to explain it is it's just a...


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[Assistant] Uh, but at the end of the day, it really, I think, regardless of what you're all kind of experiences, whether you've never been or you've been for 30 years, I think there's something in there that if you're.


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[Assistant] If you're willing to continue learning, it will continue to make you a better elk hunter. And that's not me saying I know everything about elk hunting. I've just taken everything that I have learned and put into that.


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[Assistant] And, uh, made it available so that people can sign up for it and go through it and continue learning, continue, continue succeeding.


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[Assistant] There's a, there's a ton of stuff that you get with that, but it's $99 for a year. And if you use the promo code ELCTALK, it saves you 20 bucks, which is our biggest discount. So you can sign up for $79 and.


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[Assistant] You know, I first launched it. I, I really struggled with what price to put on it. And, you know, I actually had hired a couple of consultants on online courses and both of them came in, I think from,


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[Assistant] Material, I think it's a bargain, but for 79 bucks, fuse the code elk talk. You get, uh, you get that. And I really, I truly feel it's, it's my product. I put my name and my stamp behind it, but I really do feel it's a, it's a great investment. Anytime you can.


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[Assistant] Looking at new areas and even areas that I've hunted for 20 years.


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[Assistant] I'll still go in and dig through that and find little pockets. It's like, man, I never knew that existed. I've never been over that ridge and this whole time I've always wondered where the elk escape to when they get pressure or where the bulls take the cows once they round them up in September because they always seem to vanish for a week or two.


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[Assistant] I know they've got to be somewhere, but I just don't know where that pocket is. And so mapping is so important, uh, during that e-scouting period. So for me, you know, my, I, I start with Google Earth and, you know, you talked about OnX and kind of that transition that we went from


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[Assistant] And then they discontinued that when they came out with the app just because it kinda, you know, became redundant there.


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[Assistant] Uh, that stand out a little bit more than, than on a topo. And if you, if you know how to read a topo map, a lot of these features stand out, but they're just.


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[Assistant] Either A to bet on because they usually bet on a north face every day. Even, you know, even later in the year, you'll still find them a lot of times on, on north faces until they get into that winter mode where a lot of times then they go on the.


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[Assistant] Uh, and really when you're looking at, at an area, I would say anywhere from 10 to 30% of that area is north face. So it really kind of condenses down the area and you can eliminate a lot of other area to begin with and just find those north faces.


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[Assistant] And then from there I look for water and I look for open ridges for feed. Or, you know, a lot of times they can get feed in meadows and things too, but those open ridges seem to be, those south facing open ridges seem to be where they


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[Assistant] Really that becomes a pretty prime potential area to find elk. And if you take your 10 to 30% of the area is north face and then you find, you kind of triangulate those feeding areas and those water areas.


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[Assistant] And add to that, it narrows it down to, we're talking one to five percent of this entire area meets that criteria. So we end up with.


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[Assistant] And then the really cool part is I export those pins directly into a folder that I title, you know, Idaho Unit X or whatever.


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[Assistant] And I can walk straight to these north faces or straight toward these.


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[Assistant] Ridges or these basins that I've identified on Google Earth and, you know, preseason scouting, if I'm able to put boots on the ground, I walk right to these, you know, whether it's a bench on a north face or a, an open hillside on a south facing ridge or whatever it is, I can walk right to it.


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[Assistant] And so many hunters that you hear stories of, especially a new hunter going into a new area, you know, they're coming from back east and they're trying to, to find an area. And a lot of times they'll pick a trailhead and they'll say, I'm going to, I'm going to park here and we're either in a camp here or we're going to camp at this campground and hunt the area around there.


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[Assistant] And they, they really rely on being there physically and getting out and hiking the area and they'll hike for seven days and I hear so many stories of, I didn't hear a single bugle or.


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[Assistant] We, we didn't even find the fresh tracks until day six or we didn't get into the elk until the last day of the hunt. And that can, a lot of that can be avoided. It really truly can be if you do your e-scouting and if you know what to look for.


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[Assistant] No, and I think it's so important to understand and that's honestly one of the things that, uh, that you opened my eyes to is understanding the elk's needs at different times of the season. Cause I have primarily my whole life been focused on our tree hunting elk.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I tried rifle hunting the first couple of years when my kids were old enough to hunt, but not quite old enough to archery hunt. I focused a lot of my efforts on hunting the same way I've always archery hunted.


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[Assistant] And I quickly realized, hey, this, this isn't going to work. We're not even getting indelible. I don't know where they go once, you know, they get pressured or maybe it's not even pressure. It's just that time of year. Why, why did they change where they're going?


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[Assistant] And, you know, you definitely open my eyes to that. Hey, what do they need that time of year? Think about, you know, the pressure that's out there. Where are they going to go to get away from the pressure? Which made sense to me and I think I'd always kind of


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[Assistant] Information of what are their needs their needs change their needs in august are different than their needs in september and they're different than their needs in october and they're different than their needs in november and so all four of those months right there. Elk are moving locations and there's a reason and want to understand that reason.


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[Assistant] And a lot of times those cows, you know, to get what they need and to find the security they need, they're going to be moving three or four miles sometimes from morning until to get where they're bedding.


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[Assistant] One of two things. Either they aren't bugling and they're there, or they aren't there.


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[Assistant] And I don't spend a whole lot of time trying to decipher which one of those two it is. It really doesn't matter. If I want to call in an elk, I need one that bugles. And so I will pick up and move. Sometimes it's a mile. Sometimes it's just over the next ridge. You know, we'll hike 12, 14 miles a day, just trying to locate an elk that will bugle.


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[Assistant] But I just, I make sure I don't get sucked into an area anymore. I'll relocate by 20 miles after the first day to go and try a new area and find out where they're bugling because if they aren't bugling, I don't want to spend a ton of time right there.


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of people don't have the availability to come out and spend a lot of time scouting. They show up at the hunt and they're ready to go. And that's totally okay. It used to be, you know, I always wanted to spend a couple days in the unit before the hunt.


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[Assistant] And you know, I just, I use the example that we went to a new area in Wyoming a few years back, brand new area, blind had never even stepped foot in the area.


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[Assistant] And we were into bugling elk the first morning of the hunt. We had elk bugling from camp as we were setting camp up.


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[Assistant] And we weren't in a, a special draw area, you know, for non-residents, everything's a draw, but we were just in a general area and we were able to be into elk immediately, which, if you hear elk bugling from camp the first night, you're hunting the next morning.


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[Assistant] And then B, be mobile and go bounce from plan to plan to plan until you're getting the kind of response, uh, that you want to get.


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[Assistant] And I'm, I'm the same way. And honestly, I feel there are areas where...


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[Assistant] Uhm, getting back in there is beneficial after we've found the area.


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[Assistant] But I don't go into an area blind and say we're going to pack back in 13 miles and see if we can find any elk in there.


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[Assistant] And once I find that area, you know, I might do a day hunt where I walk back in 13 miles and come back out if there's nothing in there. But if I find an area that holds elk.


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[Assistant] Yeah, then it might make sense to go in and set up a camp for three or four days and hunt that area and not be as mobile. But the second that I'm not getting responses back in there, I'm pulling up that camp and coming out and going somewhere else and I'm going to have that somewhere else already in mind.


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[Assistant] Not only that, I think when you do lock yourself into an area like that, I think you feel more, uh,


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[Assistant] It just seems like, man, we packed all the way back in here. I'm going to hike over the top of that mountain tomorrow and see if the elk are back in there. Even though it's an area that isn't on your list as a potential or probable area, you go away from some of these areas you've scouted and identified as being most probable and you stay in that area because you are locked in there.


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[Assistant] I just think it creates a less efficient model for, for hunting.


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[Assistant] It seemed like you used that exact same phrase with us when you told us about the first area to go to in Montana. Yep, I did.


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[Assistant] And then using mapping, you know, I mean topo maps are a thing of the past for me. GPS's are a thing of the past being able to have.


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[Assistant] Handheld device is in my hand, probably being used as much as my bugle tube, which I never thought I'd find anything that was.


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[Assistant] And it really shined last year when we hunted in Oregon for Roosevelt elk, which they're different. They're a different animal, uh, their behaviors are different. A lot of it's, you know, kind of dictated by the terrain.


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[Assistant] But what was really cool was we would mark these areas. Every time we'd find a fresh rub, we'd mark it, mark it, mark it. And pretty soon you're able to see literally a straight rub line pattern. And you're able to say, that elk's just moving from here to here, from here to here, from here to here. He's somewhere in between here.


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[Assistant] All we have to do now is catch him between those points and it really, really was powerful for hunting Roosevelt elk in that thicker vegetation where maybe you aren't able to see


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[Assistant] And Shannon, who we've had on the podcast before from Angry Spike Productions, he has an iPad in his vehicle.


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[Assistant] That has ONX, the only thing that's on it is the ONX Hunt app.


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[Assistant] And he has it in his vehicle mounted on his dash and as we're driving to these areas, he's like, okay, we've got rubs over here, we've got rubs over here.


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[Assistant] We're able to actually see if there's a bull here, there's a bull here, there's a bull here, which one do we want to hunt today? We go and we bugle that ridge. If he's not answering, we jump in the vehicle, we drive to the next spot and say, maybe this bull's in a, in a,


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[Assistant] In the field that mapping is just so incredibly powerful once you find the power of how to use it and how to use it efficiently.


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[Assistant] Which it's like, it's a cool thing. It's just cool to have that technology to be able to do it and use it to our benefit. And I think so many people miss out on its capabilities, you know, just because they either A, don't understand Elk's needs, they don't understand Elk country, or they don't understand the power that's sitting right there at their fingertips.


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[Assistant] Uh, and let's quantify what 20% is. We're talking $29 for an app that does all of this, and you save 20%. You're getting it for $23 and change. It's...


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[Assistant] And you're going to be able to get the university welcoming online course and on x maps for right about a hundred dollars and i really think of two more valuable tools to have to increase your success out in the woods.


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[Assistant] Going out into the field when you do make a mistake, you're going to recognize that mistake faster and be able to, to correct it and learn from it faster and there create more opportunities for success. But those piles of, of tags, we all have them and those, those unfilled tags are, they're part of the path that gets you to where you


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[Assistant] You know, continue to want to be. It's not like I've arrived at consistent success by any means. I have a stack of tags from the last two seasons that went unfilled and, uh, they're a reminder of what I did wrong and what I need to do right to, to not encounter that again.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, you could probably pull out all your punch tags and say,


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[Assistant] You know, we, obviously we talk about application strategies in each state and we'll continue to put those out, but these, uh, these strategy, hunting strategy and technique episodes are, uh, I wish we would have had them 30 years ago.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's all these emails that show up in my bucket.


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[Assistant] They can also visit us on social media. We have an Instagram page, which is Elk Talk Podcast, and they can go out there and leave a comment. Make sure you're following us out there. I think we're getting close to 20,000 followers out on Instagram, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, do you have any starting points or, you know, things like that? We're not going to answer that. We just can't.


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[Assistant] And there's only a handful of email comments that make it into that filter. So if you do have a, a specific topic that you want to learn more about or you want to hear more about, or even if we need to research more about and bring it to you, those comments are the ones that stand out to us and that we're able to talk more about. So.


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[Assistant] Try to stay away from the specific, especially when it comes to where to hunt and those sort of things, uh, and if you can give us general topic ideas, we would love to, to hear about them.


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[Assistant] And we will catch you in the next episode. Thanks Cory, thanks folks.


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[Assistant] So I have a general tag for, for wowming, either sex.


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[Assistant] So uhm, my dilemma is, I'm trying to determine, do I just, do I archery hunt and then switch over? Or do I just, you know, dedicate myself to the rifle hunting the whole time through? Is there any issue in your mind with switching? And then if I could have a two-parter,


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations, so we usually go down some rabbit holes, but-


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[Assistant] And the podcast is also brought to you by OnX Maps. And with OnX Maps, you can know where you stand with the most accurate hunting GPS tech on the market with land ownership maps that work offline.


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[Assistant] We're also proud to partner with Sitka Gear and if you go to SitkaGear.com you'll see their full line of clothing and their tagline is turning clothing into gear and they are doing that through advanced technology that allows you to stay in the field longer, hunt harder and stay safer.


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[Assistant] And we are also brought to you by Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls and Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls is the original designer and inventor of the pallet plate diaphragm that's completely changed.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations, so we usually go down some


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is also brought to you by Mountain Ops, making outdoor energy and performance nutrition to make you a stronger and healthier elk hunter.


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[Assistant] They have a full line of hunting related supplements, including meal replacement shakes, multivitamins, pre-workout fuel and post-workout recovery.


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[Assistant] And we have a promo code for Gerber as well. Just use the code ELKTALK to save 20% on your orders at gerbergear.com.


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[Assistant] That's the way elk calls are made and used and to find out more and to order your elk calls go to RockyMountainHuntingCalls.com or BuglingBull.com and use promo code ElkTalk and you're going to save 15% on all of your elk calls and elk call accessories.


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[Assistant] Lastly, the University of Elk Hunting online course is a proud partner of the Elk Talk podcast. And within the University of Elk Hunting online course, you're going to find nearly 60 chapters organized in 17 modules of elk hunting instruction aimed at making you a more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] Uh, he is skipping out, but I brought in a pretty awesome guest. I'm excited to visit with today. Uh, I've got Bryce Bishop with me and Bryce is the.


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[Assistant] Founder, owner, brains behind Peaks Equipment. That's P-E-A-X Equipment. And, uh, you might know Bryce from, uh, Sissy Sticks. And, uh, anyway, we'll jump right in here, but Bryce, welcome to the Ilk Talk Podcast.


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[Assistant] Yeah, now it's been a long fire season. I think we got our first fires the first part of July and it just seemed like the smoke rolled in then and really hasn't left. It's definitely better now than it was. You know, like you said, it was so thick for a while. You didn't even want to go outside. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And uh, so I'll tease you a little bit. And my sister was actually there visiting and we've got a little uh, skid road that goes to our.


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[Assistant] Evidently my wife didn't recognize her or whatever but my sister looked up and said.


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[Assistant] On what it is where it came from and, uh, I can remember it's been two or three years ago when you came out with sissy sticks.


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[Assistant] As I was going to say, I can remember, you know, when you sent me the first ones and I was kind of the same process. It was probably...


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[Assistant] I don't know, six or seven years ago, I got my first set of trekking poles and like you, I'd always called them, you know, yuppie sticks or hippie poles or, you know, the only people I ever saw using them were.


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[Assistant] The, uh, the granola hikers on established trails and you could hear the.


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[Assistant] And the way that they transfer weight and take weight off of your legs and your knees, especially coming downhill, it was, it was game changer. I started carrying a set with me and for me it's kind of the same. I don't use them a lot.


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[Assistant] If I'm packing in a long ways and I have my bow strapped to my back, I'll use them to go uphill or if we kill something, you know, then coming out with a heavy load.


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[Assistant] And, uh, you said, well, we're going to, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll be making some changes and some, take some of, uh, your, your advice into consideration. And then, uh, you know, at the time, like you had mentioned, that was your only product that won. And so.


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[Assistant] Take us through the next little bit then of where you went from there and how you got to where you are right now.


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[Assistant] And I know you now have a folding trekking pole, the z-poles, which are my favorite and I now have those in my pack everywhere I go and I've since learned that the straps that you have on the poles work just fine.


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[Assistant] It, uh, I used to, I used to run my hand, uh, whatever opposite it is. I don't even remember anymore because I do it both ways.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, you know, I was getting blisters in between my thumb and my finger. Uh, when I first started using those foam ones, I thought, well, it's the foam and you know, I really liked the cork hand grip.


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[Assistant] And for whatever reason it was because of the way I was gripping it incorrectly and no more issue with that. So, uh, like you said though, there's, there's a difference between.


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[Assistant] A trekking pole that a hiker uses on an established trail for their, you know, 30 or 40 pound backpack overnight load.


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[Assistant] And a trekking pole that you're using going through blowdowns and carrying a hundred pounds of elk meat on your back.


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[Assistant] There's a difference and yeah, so far and I've abused on my.


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[Assistant] Use them a ton shed hunting with super heavy loads you know way in the backcountry crossing creeks and rivers and everything and.


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[Assistant] They've held up incredibly well and, and to your credit, you know, that combination of the carbon fiber on the upper half makes them lightweight. Um, I don't know, did you get the, I know John Abernathy took a picture of me coming off of a stump or a log with a pretty heavy load.


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[Assistant] And I was amazed he hit the picture right at the right time, but that pole was bent. It was like bowed significantly and no issues at all. And then that aluminum bottom.


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[Assistant] Uh, you can, it just takes a lot more abuse than carbon. You know, carbon, you hit it against rocks and blow it down and stuff enough times and it's going to start cracking and that aluminum just allows you to beat them up pretty good, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm just on your website and, uh, the page who we are, our purpose at Peaks has always been focused on protecting the future of outdoorsmen worldwide. And then I love the first of the threefold mission of provide opportunities for others to experience meaningful and lasting connections with the outdoors.


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[Assistant] Randy and I are always stressing the importance of building that bigger pie and, and those last two definitely fall into that. But you know, people, there's a lot of people, especially in the last year and a half that have got into the outdoors. They wanted to explore more and just make those connections in the outdoors. And so I think.


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[Assistant] You know what David Brinker said to you about who are you, where are you going? You know, make all the awesome product you want to, but you have to have a, you have to have a purpose. You have to have a direction. And once you have that direction, you know, the product can come easy, but the, uh, the connection between the product and the brand.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Yeaah. So, I'm guessing you're, uh, you're not still full-time employed in the, uh, financial world.


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[Assistant] Aligns with a passion or a spark and, and it's, it's a cool story to hear.


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[Assistant] So we've got the, uh, we've got three different models of the trekking poles right now. What other products, uh, are available through Peak's equipment?


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[Assistant] Being able to keep that water out and it seems like inevitably just the design of most gators, you know, they don't clamp around the boot enough to make a seal.


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[Assistant] And keep water out and that's, you know, we're in the storm castle gators this spring. I had no issues with water getting in from anywhere. You know, my feet were dry all day with several creek crossings and.


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[Assistant] Walking in wet conditions. And so it's, I mean, it's just, it's one of those things that are the essential. No, but if your feet are dry, you hike a lot farther, a lot longer and a lot more comfortable.


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[Assistant] What uh, what else is, can we talk about future ideas and products?


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[Assistant] I was going to say, because I'm taking the trekking poles and the gators to Alaska with me.


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[Assistant] We're leaving by the time this podcast comes out we'll probably be on our way there but we're heading to alaska el canteen and the trekking poles in the gators aren't the only peaks equipment that i'll be taking with me.


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[Assistant] We really have to have a way to dry out each day, so.


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[Assistant] Super excited to put the TP in a stove to the test in the back country of Alaska.


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[Assistant] But I think it speaks to your other product too that, you know, we're willing to.


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[Assistant] To take it to a place like that, knowing that if it does completely mass fail, we're, uh, we're hosed. So we're, we have the confidence that it won't mass fail. And obviously, I mean, it's, it's going to be its first test in a brutal environment like that. So there's probably going to be some feedback.


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[Assistant] That's exciting to me, to be able to have a hand in...


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[Assistant] You're trying out new things and be able to say hey we had sixty mile an hour winds all night you know tp probably isn't the best wind proof you know as far as the.


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[Assistant] The design of it, you know, to be wind resistant and, uh, but I think, you know, from what I've done, the research I've done, the studying I've done, really they are pretty


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[Assistant] Pretty well designed. You don't have the flat wall that is going to stand directly against the wind. It's going to allow the wind to hit and kind of angle off of it. And so.


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[Assistant] Definitely, and one thing that you didn't mention in any of that, that uhm, so far has been


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[Assistant] Very pleasant for me is, you know, the comfort of carrying some of the stuff. You know, the trekking poles are super lightweight. This teepee and stove system, when you told me the weight of it, I thought that's lighter than my


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[Assistant] Not have to sacrifice quality and comfort. So it's a good combination.


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[Assistant] So what, uh, what's on your, your docket for the fall? Where are you going to be testing gear and what's, uh, what are your elk, what are your elk season plans?


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[Assistant] So what do you, what's gonna cause you to adapt or how are you thinking you're gonna have to adapt?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. No, it's, uh, for, for any of the listeners that haven't heard what we're doing for Destination Elk this year, uh, Destination Elk is our annual Elk season day-by-day video series that we do on the Elk101 YouTube channel.


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[Assistant] And it's been, you know, primarily Donnie and I just kind of following us around throughout our season and we've incorporated, you know, Dave Brinker. We hunted Roosevelt's with him one year so he was part of it and then, uh,


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[Assistant] Cory and Shannon from Angry Spike, they've been on the podcast before and we've hunted with them a couple times, Chase and Roosevelt's and then, uh, Mark and Jeff, Skousen, the twin brothers.


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[Assistant] Out of Utah, they've been involved, but this year we thought, you know, we're going to, we really liked the TV show alone. And so we thought, you know, we're going to try to incorporate something similar to that. It's not going to be a competition at all.


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[Assistant] We are going to have different teams in different camps for the same amount of days. And each episode of Destination Elk is going to basically bounce around from camp to camp and just check in on the action of each camp on the corresponding days. So we've got seven teams. So there'll be 14 hunters total. Each team will have a cameraman.


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[Assistant] It'll be a pretty good range of hunting styles, of different terrains, of different personalities, and, you know, it's gonna be.


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[Assistant] Pretty cool. I think, uh, keeping it, there'll be no competition, no contest at all. It's just more of a varied education instead of just following Donnie and I along.


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[Assistant] What a different hunting styles and different personalities and you look at randy randy newberg's he's a one of the teams with one of his camera guys and those guys the two of them are probably the most.


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[Assistant] I don't know what I'm trying to say here. They have a lot of personality. They do, yeaah. So, there's going to be no shortage of personality in that camp. Bo Beatty, who everyone loves. Bo and his llamas. He's hunting with Marcus, who's another of Randy's camera guys.


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[Assistant] Group of hunters who are very successful but just a cool group of guys who love sharing who are all passionate about public land and public land access and conservation and.


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[Assistant] Just a stellar group of guys. I'm super excited to see how it all comes together.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we've got Randy. We talked something early on about it'd be cool to have like a rookie team, you know, somebody who's never elk hunted before or someone who's never killed an elk before. And we just kind of mentioned it, you know, how cool that would be. We have gotten more emails through the Elk Talk podcast.


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[Assistant] This is, uh, you can't just have a bunch of guys hunting. You need to include a female group. And so if this goes over like we're hoping it does, uh, we've got some pretty cool plans for next year already that hopefully we'll be able to.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, you just look at, you know, last year was a slow year. Our first eight days of, of season of hunting here in Idaho, we only heard elk bugle like on three days. And I mean, we were.


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[Assistant] We've got an intro episode, we'll have a conclusion episode, we've got some bonus episodes, so we're planning on 18 to 20 episodes just of that 8 day stretch.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, you know, we've got all of our other hunts that we'll still film and we'll incorporate them, you know, maybe into a destination elk.


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[Assistant] Uh, bonus series or something at the end, but.


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[Assistant] So, one of the things, and I know you switch in areas to protect the sacredness of an area you've hunted forever. Something we run into, you know, all the time, just when you're filming hunts.


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[Assistant] Or you aren't able to share some of the incredible scenery that we, that we get to see. We were hunting in Wyoming a few years ago and it was some of the most epic elk country I've ever seen. You know, everything was changing colors. It was frosty in the morning, just these huge mountain peaks, just absolutely beautiful.


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[Assistant] And you know we've got, I just sent the list over to verify that we had everything covered. I want to say we have like 12 different film permits, which when you look at an average of $150 per day for eight days, uh, for 12 different permits.


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[Assistant] In Idaho, I've ever had an elk tag in and you get kind of, you know, stuck in a rut and you know, you're familiar enough with it. You can always find elk, but it just, it hasn't been the same experience. And so I got looking and, and maybe in a.


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[Assistant] Are already there, but looking at the top 10, there were a couple that really stood out. And so we're excited.


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[Assistant] They go somewhere new but it's the same thing we have to stay even within the same unit we have to stay on one side of a ridge and can't cross over it for the film permit reasons because it changes to another national forest district and.


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[Assistant] So it's just, there's a, you know, there are complications for sure.


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[Assistant] Getting other people out there and doing it, encouraging, inspiring, motivating other people to get out and hunt.


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[Assistant] You know, build that pie bigger, their whole goal is to ensure not just a population of elk, but a huntable population of elk that is increasing.


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[Assistant] Increasing habitat so that the landscape can hold more quantities so that we can support more hunters.


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[Assistant] Well Bryce, where can, uh, where can people find out more about Peak's equipment and where can they buy a, uh,


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[Assistant] And are you getting, uh, product into retail space? What's your, your plan?


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[Assistant] Definitely check that out, uh, three different models of trekking poles, the Stormcastle Gator, and depending on whether Donnie and I survive in Alaska or not, there may be a TP tent coming in the future.


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[Assistant] Podcast episodes of you and I were talking and I said, Hey, why don't you come on in and join us on a podcast episode and Randy's, uh.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Likewise. When, uh, when you guys heading out for your, for your archery, I'll come.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Well, best of luck to you and I'm sure we'll keep in touch and we'll be excited to watch the action here in a few months.


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[Assistant] Sounds good. Take care Cory. Alright, thanks for listening folks. We'll catch you on the next one.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations, so we usually go down some rabbit holes, but- If you hunt with Corey Jacobson, you will find the landscape is full of rabbit holes. We're just gonna make this up as we go. And you look at it.


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[Assistant] And the podcast is also brought to you by OnX Maps. And with OnX Maps you can know where you stand with the most accurate hunting GPS tech on the market with land ownership maps that work offline.


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[Assistant] We're also proud to partner with Sitka Gear and if you go to SitkaGear.com you'll see their full line of clothing and their tagline is turning clothing into gear and they are doing that through advanced technology that allows you to stay in the field longer, hunt harder and stay safer. The Elk Talk podcast is also brought


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[Assistant] Sorry. What's the question? Okay, so the question is, if you have an elk that's responded to you, but he's not coming to you, what do you actually need to do to be more aggressive? You know, we talk a lot about aggressive calling, aggressive elk hunting tactics, but what does that really mean, right?


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[Assistant] So for me, you know, a lot of times elk don't come to you and the key to getting an elk to come to your setup as you're calling is to get close to them.


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[Assistant] 300 yards away and he's staying put, whether he has cows, whether he's in his bed, whatever the reason is, if he's not coming to me.


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[Assistant] And I want him to come to me, I've gotta get a little closer. And depending on the terrain, sometimes it's wide open and you can't get any closer. And when you're hunting open terrain and trying to call elk, it can be tough because once they get to that point where they can see where the calls are coming from but can't see an elk,


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[Assistant] They're gonna hang up and not come any closer. So terrain plays a big part in that aggression of, of getting close. Once I get as close as I can, and I like to get inside 150 yards, 100 yards is ideal, but anything inside 200 is gonna be okay. 150 just seems to be that sweet spot.


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[Assistant] You're a cow. You sound like you're by yourself. You want to come hang out with me, you know, the bull's hitting on the cow there. And then all of a sudden this other bull gets very aggressive and says, no, she's taken. You don't talk to my cow. And that initiates that challenge sequence and starts the fight. And typically if you're that close, that bull's going to react in the same way, very aggressive, wanting to come and fight.


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[Assistant] If you start off the other way and you start off with a bugle right there from the get go and let that bull respond, he's going to then challenge you and hold his ground and make you come to him. So I always like to make sure I start with the cow call, then aggressively hit him once he responds to that. So I'm always getting in the last word, challenging him to a fight. So does that answer your question? Excellent.


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[Assistant] So, what are the tactics for calling early season like that? I guess for me, if I had that hunt and I had the opportunity to maybe hunt a little bit of each week throughout the season, maybe you're hunting weekends and then you can take one week to hunt.


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[Assistant] If calling was my go-to, I wanted to call in an elk, I would hunt that last week for sure.


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[Assistant] Through probably Labor Day weekend, I would concentrate mostly on either water or spotting and stalking. The bulls are still gonna be, uh, the big bulls by the time season opens are probably gonna be split off individually. They're not gonna be in the bachelor groups anymore.


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[Assistant] Some of the smaller bulls might still be, but those big bulls are going to be by themselves. They're going to be getting hard antlered, raking the trees in their staging area.


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[Assistant] If you can see them, if you're in an area where you can glass in the morning and see where they're going to bed, spotting and stalking can be effective. But when it's hot like that, they're going to be hitting water. So if you can find a good water source and if you're patient enough to wait on water, it can be really effective, especially for those bigger bulls.


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[Assistant] It's not going to be nearly as aggressive. You're going to have a harder time calling a bowl in. There will still be that one in a hundred bowl that gets fired up and aggressive that you can call in on August 20th. And if you can find him, that's great, but you're going to have to cover a lot of country and a lot of miles to find him.


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[Assistant] So outside that, once you get into that last week of season, like the 5th through the 13th, that's my favorite time to call. And the reason why is the Bulls are then establishing their harems, they're very aggressive, they're very competitive.


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[Assistant] And the bigger bowls usually don't have the cows yet, so you can still call in those bigger bowls. From the 13th on, it can be more difficult to call in those big bowls, but I would definitely, you know, don't, don't feel bad that the season's too early. It's just going to concentrate a lot of calling into that last week of season.


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[Assistant] I have nothing to add to that because I'm impatient too, so I bump a lot of elk and that's, we just deal with it.


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[Assistant] I think, I think Randy made a comment about being 55 and being an old codger or there was something like that and Larry kinda looked over at him like, you're calling yourself an old codger and here I am at 77 still running up the mountains, so.


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[Assistant] A couple things to keep in mind, when I'm scouting for elk, if I'm not focusing on a trophy bowl, like if I draw a trophy hunt or something, it might change a little bit, but 95% of the hunts I do are just over the counter, public land type hunts, so I'm not focused on a specific bowl. So my scouting focuses on cows. I want to find the cows because


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[Assistant] From about the time the cows have their calves, which, you know, that first week of June, so a month ago they started having their calves.


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[Assistant] From that point until the rut, they typically don't move too much. There's no need for them to move. They're typically in an area where they have good cover to have their calves. There's plenty of feed and that's typically going to be the rutting area where the rut initially takes place.


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[Assistant] Bulls are a lot different. Bulls will be higher up right now, uh, in the summer months. And then when the rut starts kicking in, so right now they're in bachelor groups.


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[Assistant] Just about that time frame you're talking, you know, August 5th to the 10th, somewhere in there, they're going to break up from the bachelor groups and they're going to go to what I call staging areas. So they're going to find these areas that are just tiny little patches where they have food, water and cover, and they're going to wait there and get ready for the rut.


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[Assistant] And then a little bit before the rut, so September 5th to the 10th somewhere in there, they're going to move again and they're going to go to the rutting areas where the cows are.


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[Assistant] And so there's a lot of transition there for those bulls as you watch them from, you know, June until August 1st, they're going to be right there in a, in a bachelor group. You're going to be like, yeah, there's 10 bulls right here. Everything's great. And then all of a sudden you're not going to see them again for two weeks. They go to that staging area. They start rubbing trees. They're, uh, they're getting hard antlered, ready for the rut.


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[Assistant] And then they're going to move again from there and they might go 15 miles sometimes in some units. Typically it's only going to be two or three miles where they're going to go find the cows, but sometimes they're going to go a long way. So there's a lot of dynamic movement going on during that time.


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[Assistant] But for the most part, the cows, as long as they have cover and feed, shouldn't be moving too much. Now once pressure starts getting in there, that can affect them. Typically archery though, they aren't going to move too much that middle of August time frame. They might just move around the mountain to a north face or to a little sanctuary where they still have food.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a lot of times, you know, those bulls, people will focus on bulls on their trail camera.


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[Assistant] Lots of cows on my trail camera and then in physical scouting, I'm looking for signs of previous ruts. So I'm looking for rubs, I'm looking for wallows, anything that's going to indicate they rutted here last year or previously because they're typically going to rut in those same areas year after year. Great question.


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[Assistant] Number one, use the topography as much as you can. There's no trees around, so you can't hide in the brush or anything. They're going to be able to see there's an elk calling from right there. So if you're able to get just on the backside of a little roll, a little knoll, even if it's just 10 yards and they're 100 yards away, they've got to come to that ridge to see down off the backside to see where the calls are coming from. That can be helpful.


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[Assistant] Uh, if you're able to get a partner, uh, to call for you, you're going to be, you know, now you're going to be a hundred or 150 yards in front of the caller. So you're able to take advantage of that terrain. So that bull has to come to a certain point where you are before he can see where the caller is.


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[Assistant] The other thing that might be effective would be a decoy.


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[Assistant] Decoys in that country can be difficult. I like decoys in more broken timber, so you can flash a decoy out there and hide it, and they'll cast to come through the timber looking for the decoy. If they see a decoy head pop up in the sage brush and then disappear, they're gonna be like, that's...


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[Assistant] Really odd. You might get one to come to, you might get one to turn and run the other way. So I would probably try really hard to use the topography and get set up in areas where you can call that elk where he has to come to a certain point where you're going to get a shot before he can see where the calls are coming from.


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[Assistant] But you've picked the right time. I mean, Spot & Stock works great that time of year. If they get in an area where they're bedded down and a bull goes off by himself to, you know, rake some sagebrush or to find a wallow or something, you might have a chance to slip in there. Or if they do set up in a good place, Spot & Stock's probably going to be


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[Assistant] Your first choice and then once they get, you know, if you can't spot in stock there, maybe you can set up to call them away from the herd.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, the question on, uh, you're very experienced with turkey calls.


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[Assistant] So when you think about a turkey call, the clucks and everything that a turkey does are very abrupt. And so a lot of times you're using a wider frame, you're using a double or a triple latex to get the popping sound in there of the turkey call.


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[Assistant] And you're slapping your tongue up against it pretty abruptly, getting that, you know, just individual sounds hitting off of that.


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[Assistant] When it comes to elk calls, you want to transition smoothly through all of the octaves and then drop off smoothly on it and it's completely different. And so I found that, you know, a wider frame turkey call with two or three layers of latex is very effective and gives me what I need to be able to abruptly hit that latex and make the sound I want.


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[Assistant] But with an elk call, I go with a little bit narrower frame and a single lighter medium latex layer because that helps me transition through that. And it's completely different than a turkey call. Turkey calls are short breaths. You kind of.