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[Assistant] Then, you know, Baker Mayfield spouting off at press conference. Shouting matches with Jarvis Landry. People saying OBJ and Jarvis Landry telling people to come get me. Miles Garrett smashing a quarterback over the head with a helmet.


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[Assistant] You know, then the t-shirt, all that kind of stuff. Just to me, I think that's ultimately what led the Browns to go, okay.


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[Assistant] We can't have an immature team and a coach who's kind of immature and like maturing in front of us as we go. Still think Freddie Kitchens, hopefully he can go back to the drawing board, blow it out of the water, kick some asses in OC, and then maybe a few years get another crack at this. I do think he's got it in him to be a successful head coach. I really do believe that.


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[Assistant] It's just hard sometimes when you're younger it gets thrusted upon you and all of a sudden it happens and I don't think he was a guy that thought like it was anywhere on his radar that he was gonna be a head coach.


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[Assistant] Some here, somewhere next in these next two or three years. And all of a sudden it was like, what? I'm up for the job? Sure, I'll take it. Yes, sure. Okay, Coach of the Cleveland Browns. Great, great, great, great. But I don't, you know, a lot of these coaches are preparing themselves. Like Kevin Stefanski.


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[Assistant] It's second year as an offensive coordinator. Both have kind of underwhelming, but he's...


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[Assistant] He's constantly putting his name and his agents putting his name in the head coaching thing. So he's thinking about it. He's watching Mike Zimmer. I'm sure he's taking notes. I'm sure he's got a little folder of if I was a head coach and things like that. I don't think Freddie Kitchens ever got to that folder. I don't think he was like thinking that yet and that's to me where it was wrong and I think it was smart for them to move.


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[Assistant] I just feel like I... I feel like I underdelivered. I feel like I underdelivered there. I just do. I just... Well, tweet out. Tweet out some players. Okay. Alright, good. This player's way overrated.


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[Assistant] I promise you I won't. You're watching my computer. I don't know any of these. I promise you I haven't looked. You don't. I don't like the cheats. Alright, so the Buccaneers. They're one of them, right? They are. They had Godwin and Eben.


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[Assistant] You know CJ, he deserves it. He does deserve that. Okay. Two more teams. Two more teams. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Here we go, here we go, here we go. One team in the NFC, one team in the AFC. Atlanta?


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[Assistant] Let me just see where Gallop is here. Yea, Gallop had it 1100, 1100 and 7 yards. Damn.


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[Assistant] Damn, I should have thought that. With Kenyon Drake, and then of course with a running quarterback, that really inflates that stat. Because when he scrambles and runs, it's usually a big run when you scramble and run, and you have Kyler Murray with a rocket up his ass. That makes sense.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh was, I mean, the sack-out footage was phenomenal. They don't blitz a lot.


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[Assistant] Without a doubt. Yes. I mean, as you saw, their offense was handicapped the last few weeks. They can't do anything. It's really hard to win football games the way they were doing it.


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[Assistant] And I think it's actually a little less than that. I'm gonna go with 18.


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[Assistant] Okay, he really does. Like that would be if I was out there, cause I really like Le'Veon Bell, and I've been around him as a person too, I'm a fan of the person and the player.


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[Assistant] Alright, first off too, I bet you like, in his really good years in Pittsburgh,


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[Assistant] I would bet, I would, I don't think he's had a guy that's had like 60 yard runs and 70 yard runs. That's not what he is. Sure. This is a big man.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's the guy at Michigan State that was 250 pounds. Let's not forget. Now he's like starving himself to be 235. That's what he's doing, okay? So that's never been his game. It's quickness and power. That's what it is.


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[Assistant] 27 yards. There you go. See, so it's nothing crazy. And I can understand that. Yeaah. Having Antonio Brown and other weapons and spreading the field and then you're running up there is worth 9 more, 8 more yards up the middle. As compared to the Jets. The Jets...


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[Assistant] The Jets, hey, Sam Darnold getting hurt, their offensive line not being great, and Adam Gase has got to continue to grow with how he uses Le'Veon Bell. They're not going to get rid of Le'Veon Bell. Nobody's going to trade for Le'Veon Bell and give him, what is it, I think 13 something million dollars that he's guaranteed for next year. It's not going to happen.


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[Assistant] So they need to just, you know, bite their lip there, grin and bear it, and go forward with them. The greatness of Leveon Bell is the fact that when you put him in the slot, he's like a slot receiver.


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[Assistant] And like I said, he can make a whole lot of 1 yard runs into 6 yard runs, a whole lot of negative 2 yard runs into 3 yard runs, and a whole lot of 1 and 2 yard runs into 8 and 9 yard runs. That's the greatness of Leveon Bell. And if you don't feed him the rock,


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[Assistant] His greatness can't really come to the top because that is the one thing I, like when I saw him in person, he's much more


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[Assistant] It's scary. I wish he could find a way. I think he can do that. I do. I think he wants to do that. I don't know if he does either. I don't know. I don't know if he wants to be that guy. But either way, they didn't get their money's worth at a Leveon Bell in the pass game, too. And that, as I know, is where Adam Gaze can use him more.


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[Assistant] It would have hit off, you're right. That's amazing, actually. You get a bunch of touchdowns. You get 400 yards and three touchdowns. Either way. And three interceptions, too.


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[Assistant] Alright, I know you, you're a real slick, trickity trickster. Yep. I don't think anybody in Tampa has, Tampa Bay Rays history, cause I am a frequent goer, I used to go to the Rays games a lot. That's right, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Like, Evan Longoria is the only guy I would say maybe was close to that, but I don't think he got to 30 steals anyways, so nobody in race history. The Bucks have more. You are correct. I knew you, I knew you.


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[Assistant] You know, this is what I'll say to defend Jameis Winston a little bit against Bruce Arians. First off...


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[Assistant] That they want to bring Andy Dalton in? Okay, yeaah. You'll get it. You're not going to get as many big plays and explosive offense with those guys. But you will get somebody that takes care of the ball. Tyrod Taylor? Yeaah, maybe Tyrod Taylor. Again, that's exactly what you're going to get. You're going to get a whole lot of games. You better be able to win 17-14 if you got those guys at quarterback. Let me just say that.


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[Assistant] Cause there's gonna be yards left all over the field. Those three.


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[Assistant] Tyron Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater are abusers of leaving yards on the field.


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[Assistant] So I get that, but what I want to say to defend Jameis Winston a little bit is...


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[Assistant] You know, Bruce Arians, you're allowed to like change the offense a little too. It doesn't always have to be like 40-yard throws down the field. You're allowed to manage the quarterback to a degree too. It's always in the pocket, deep throws down the field, be aggressive. You know, what's his phrasing if, you know, no, no, don't risk it, no biscuit.


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[Assistant] I think they stick with Jameis. I do. I think they'll get some sort of contract. I think he's probably saying some of this stuff. To drive down his price. I do. Definitely do. This is what happens. This is the NFL. I'll give you a story in 2015.


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[Assistant] Somebody that's very close to me had just been hanging around the Broncos, right? And they, you know, a guy comes to me and he's like, hey, you know, DeMarcus Ware is playing better than Vaughn Miller. I was just with the Broncos all week. They were, they were telling me that DeMarcus Ware is playing better. And I was like,


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[Assistant] That's a good point. Because that's what NFL coaches will do. They will shovel propaganda bullshit down your throat.


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[Assistant] Yep, but this is the, this is the thing. Who else is gonna want Jameis, right? To really drive up the price on Tampa Bay. To me the play for Tampa Bay is to get Jameis and then bring in somebody somewhat established. If you wanted to bring in Andy Dalton, right? Right?


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[Assistant] Where you just go, okay, James Winston's full Tropic Thunder for the first month, we can't take it anymore. He's thrown, you know, 12 interceptions in the month of September. We gotta bench him. Or we're gonna lose our jobs and all get fired. That's why you have an Andy Dalton there. Maybe that's what you do, that kind of thing. And you can sign James Winston maybe to a,


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[Assistant] 18, 20 million dollar a year type contract right now, because I don't think there's gonna be a lot of suitors for him to be the starting quarterback. Like you're saying, tell me who, there's nobody else, you haven't come out with another team yet.


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[Assistant] I don't think so either. I don't think so either. I don't know if that's John's cup of tea though. I think he might be a little too much of a gunslinger for John.


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[Assistant] Okay, you've named one and a half teams so far. Chicago Bears.


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[Assistant] Okay. Actually, I don't think that's actually not a bad thought. If I'm the Chicago Bears, I might bring in Jameis Winston. For the exact same reason we say we bring somebody in behind Jameis Winston, I go, okay, Mr. Trubisky's sucking in September. We need somebody to come in and start making place for our offense.


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[Assistant] Maybe that's the type of team that does negotiate for him to be like a really high level backup quarterback, something like that, but ultimately I think he's gonna be back in Tampa. Last one. Alright.


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[Assistant] The San Diego Los Angeles Chargers. That, that's not gonna, like.


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[Assistant] Philip Rivers is done. He's done. I think he's done. He's definitely done. Done. It's over. It's over. I know enough people to know that there was a lot of talk about wanting to bench him out there during this year and they've had enough of him. So he will not be there. I can promise you that. You can write it in stone. So it'll be Jamus.


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[Assistant] The only thing I'd say there is, like, the Chargers need to do something to excite their fan base. Ooh, James will do that. You're right. He will. He's going to excite the other team's fan base when they're there too. I don't know if that's going to be the kind of guy they want. So we'll see.


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[Assistant] Goin' to Vegas, they're rollin' the dice on Jameis in Vegas. Vegas, baby, Vegas. We'll just roll the dice, maybe we'll hit, hit that 2-1.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're done. I've talked enough today. You have talked a lot. You the man. Always good seeing you, hanging out. Way to go. I hope your red hands get less swollen.


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[Assistant] Uh, alright everybody. It's a weird week. We got Happy New Year, okay? Happy New Year first off to everybody. Wednesday, we will not be doing our normal podcast. Thursday,


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[Assistant] Stay tuned, PFTPM, Chris Sims on button picks podcast collaboration with Mike Florio.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that'd be it. Keep sending in questions via Instagram or Twitter, either way. I know we're talking about having another, you know, uh, ask me anything type of conversation for the playoffs. And we're gonna start deep diving some of these games in the playoffs. But happy new year everybody. Happy new year. Enjoy. You doing anything fun?


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[Assistant] No, no, absolutely. He's boring. That's it. That's all I can say. I'm Chris. I'm the cool one. I'm the boring one. Peace out everybody. See ya in 2020.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, cool. That's a good question, C. Santana, 1983. I appreciate that. I think the, uh, you know, this is how I formulate this list. It's all about 2020.


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[Assistant] And, you know, other guys that have listened or other people that listen to the podcast, my, my thing here, uh, see Santana is I'm a coach. My butt's on a hot seat.


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[Assistant] And I've kind of, you know, not kind of, I've weaved through this, worked at it very hard. You know, I kind of keep a running list as the season goes, the season gets over, I make a few lists, I'm always kind of dabbling in it.


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[Assistant] And then, when I get close to knowing I have to make a real list once again and it's time,


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, listen, the fumble thing is real. The fumble issue, we've, we've discussed this. You know, out of all the issues you could have as a young quarterback, that's probably like the easiest one to fix. It's actually, there's a lot of positives about it. Because he fumbles a lot because he's...


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[Assistant] You know, you could argue he had the worst supporting cast around him.


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[Assistant] And like Kyler Murray, they were kind of on a weekly basis like, hey,


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[Assistant] If you don't throw for 300 yards and 3 touchdowns, we can't win a game.


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[Assistant] I would tell you a lot of the games they've won and were competitive in were because of Daniel Jones and the fact of


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[Assistant] Big, tough in the pocket, and a good athlete. One of the best runners at the quarterback position already in the NFL, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, Smitty, you might have been, I don't know, you might have gotten into my stash upstairs and smoked some of my daddy's cigars on that comment, I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] Uh, and Daniel Jones a little the same way, but more in the pocket passer sense of where, hey, you've been sitting there for three and a half seconds, you've paddled the ball a bunch of times, don't pad it again and just because the coach said go to the fourth read, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well yeah, and you're right. Not all fumbles are created equal. I mean, you know, if you're getting blindsided a whole bunch of times every week in a game, I expect you to fumble. I mean, you know, you can't do everything. You can't block guys, look over your shoulder, look down the field, deliver big time passes, move in the pocket. So yeah, between that,


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, some of the read option stuff, that's gonna cause some bubbles. But again, I'm not really concerned with either one of those areas. Listen, if we get to this point next year, and you and me are on the pot again, and we're still talking about Daniel Jones fumbles,


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[Assistant] And, you know, at the end of the year, they found a really nice formula of where they ran the ball and then they did a lot of play action pass off it. And that's where they had success in that first rookie year of Baker Mayfield. Year two? Hey!


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[Assistant] You know, did he make some bad decisions? Do I think he was a little technically off in some of his quarterback mechanics that led to some errant throws and things like that? Definitely. You know, do I think the expectations and everything and trying to answer the bell that prove everybody that they were going to be special affected them? No doubt about it.


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[Assistant] But do I think he had a head coach that was, you know, over his skis? Definitely. And do I also think...


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[Assistant] Man, he still makes a lot of big time plays and throws. That's the one thing that jumped out to me. I mean...


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[Assistant] You know, it looked crappy at times in North Dakota State. We've talked about it. It was bad weather. He didn't have much talent around him. He had like the worst pass protection of any quarterback I've watched in the draft in like the last eight years. So, you kind of had to piece it together. But,


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[Assistant] Yes, coming out, I thought Josh Allen was the best quarterback of that class, has the highest potential, and I think last year, you know, he showed that he's on his way too, and he's got a lot of talent as well.


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[Assistant] I know it was, but let's just break it down piece by piece. First off, would that stat right there? Patrick Mahomes is in a different solar system as compared to Jimmy Garoppolo on deep throws. Patrick Mahomes makes deep throws happen


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[Assistant] By Patrick Mahomes making deep throws happen. Because his talent, his ability to buy time, he has a once in a generation type arm.


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[Assistant] Kyle Shanahan gets people wide open like a, like a George Kittle against the Green Bay Packers or like Emmanuel Sanders at the end of the, the, the Rams game late in the year on a deep post.


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[Assistant] There's a difference. See, so this is where, you know, context matters. We gotta stop looking at a bottom line stat. And I know PFF is awesome, and they have a lot of value. I'm not trying to like crap on them. But context matters in this stuff.


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[Assistant] As you know, I don't pay attention to these types of stats. I study it hard, I go up with what my eye tells me, what my studies tell me, and there's a difference, yes, Russell Wilson


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[Assistant] Hey, there's a lot of quarterbacks that we're going to talk about or haven't talked about yet or whatever, where I go, whoa, if you put them up in Seattle and ask them to run Russell Wilson's offense,


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[Assistant] They would struggle big time because a lot of the big plays that happen in Seattle's offense are


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[Assistant] It is hard to just let your mind go a year after tearing your ACL.


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[Assistant] And just go into every game and every play and never think about it.


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[Assistant] You know, he doesn't have to like have any wasted moment. He could just be there in this position and like, okay, his feet are flat in the ground, and he just, he gets a little rotation with his upper body and he lets it go. And it does. It helps him get it out of his hand quick and gets it right to the receiver and he does have a quick release and he's a good flicker. He can just use his wrist and do that kind of stuff. You know, so.


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[Assistant] On the short passing game, I have no issue with it.


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[Assistant] But what I'm saying more is if you want to change field position or take the pressure off of Kyle Shanahan at times so where he doesn't always have to dial up the perfect play, these


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[Assistant] But here's why it bothers me, because I know he can do what I'm asking. I see it in the games where I go,


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[Assistant] Whoa, that was a laser. Whoa, what a throw. But then somebody will be open down the middle and he'll try to be too perfect with it and throw the most accurate ball ever. And okay, yeaah, the ball was accurate. It hit him right in the chest.


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[Assistant] So, there is a little bit of that aspect, but Derek Carr is very talented, and he is a really good thrower of the football. I just think it's the aggressive mindset.


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[Assistant] And, and not looking to be always perfect with placement at times, just get to your receiver in a hurry. And then also, I'd like John Gruden and Mike Mayock not to like micromanage every minute of his life and, and always make him feel like,


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[Assistant] We're not sure you're the future. We might bring somebody in here. We might trash somebody. You know, it's hard to let it go when you always have that kind of like hanging over your, hanging over your head.


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[Assistant] You're right. You're not allowed to work with me unless you, you know, can say legs and ass, cause you know we're gonna talk about that. But that's awesome. I did not pick up on that. And thank you Negustivio. That's cool. I like it.


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[Assistant] He's hosting a show, he's the graphics organizer over here, he's doing it all.


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[Assistant] Well, you're like Josh Allen, you're versatile, and that's what Josh Allen is. You know, let's hit on some of the positives of Josh Allen. First off,


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[Assistant] The stats don't say it all about Josh Allen. You know, again, context matters. Josh Allen puts a lot of pressure on the defense because of all the different things he could do at the quarterback position. His skill set is special.


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[Assistant] I think it's fair to say he's the second best running quarterback in football behind Lamar Jackson. You know, he's right there. Does Sean Watson in that conversation too? Probably somebody else I'm missing here off the top of my head.


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[Assistant] You know, we saw him rip off a huge run against the Houston Texans, right? With a quarterback design run in the AMC wild card game. The year before he rushed for almost three hundred yard games.


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[Assistant] When the pocket breaks down, and some throws down the field, that I just sit there and go like, woah. Like, it's Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers stuff at times, the throws he makes.


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[Assistant] He's not scared of any throw. He is not. And he wants to be aggressive and he wants to make throws that are going to change, you know, the, the game flow or field position or whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, again, you know, I think some of the things you just said right there, anybody that's doubting Josh Allen, that should silence them. I mean, he brought the team to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] There was really no game they weren't competitive in. You saw them improve.


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[Assistant] You know, there, there is a lot to work with here. Yeaah, the, you know, again, teams know about his running ability, right, in year two. I think the Bills were a little reluctant to call more quarterback design runs just because they went, man, this guy's special. He's like our future. Let's not run him into the ground. So I think that affects the stats. And then the deep ball throwing, you know,


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[Assistant] Let alone they don't really have deep ball threats there in Buffalo. Like I know John Brown can fly. He's fast. He's a really small target.


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[Assistant] Okay, and, you know, yeaah, they're not an offense that's always looking for those deep shots all the way. And John Brown again is good.


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[Assistant] The point is, and what you know, and what I know because we've talked about this, he does still have to improve his accuracy. There is still some times where I go, dude,


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[Assistant] You don't have to throw the ball 145 miles per hour. Let's just throw it 90 miles per hour. And, you know, he does at times have a little bit of the Baker Mayfield thing where he lets his arm just get too whippy, right? It's just too all over the place.


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[Assistant] He can throw it too hard. You know, sometimes that's really the issue where it's just like, Hey, he's six feet from you. You don't need to knock his head off here. So yeah, I would, you know, drops of course receivers. Yes. But sometimes some of those, I'm sure we're on the quarterback and on Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm at, you know, when I got to visit him last year around this time up in Buffalo and I got to spend a day with him, he's a team leader. It's natural for him. I can tell with the way the players and coaches gravitated towards him throughout the day that


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[Assistant] And I do too. It's, you know, he, he certainly, you know, charmed me or whatever, but I could see he's got the personality.


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[Assistant] To be a special quarterback and the leadership skills and the communication skills and all those things. So I'm not surprised that he did that. And, uh, yeah, like I said, I'm a believer in Josh Allen. I think he's got all the tools to be special, let alone he's got some of the best legs and ass in the NFL, which I just saw Pete Demoletus text us. Yes.


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[Assistant] And there's not going to be anything statistically after the game that's going to say nobody helped Josh Allen on that play. He did it all himself and it was a huge play to get them over the hump to win the game.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen, Philip Rivers still make a ton of plays. In fact, the other two quarterbacks we're about to talk about that are at number 15 and 16.


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[Assistant] Now, they can be a little careless with the ball at times, and that's why I probably dock them down to be 17 and 18. But Philip Rivers, one of those guys, again,


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[Assistant] Some crucial mistakes and some big moments last year. No doubt about that. You know, but...


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[Assistant] Like we've talked about a little on this show already, it's gonna happen sometimes when you're


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[Assistant] Offensive line's not good, you know, the running game's struggling, and basically the game depends on you making plays.


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[Assistant] You know, so he had kind of like flirt with danger a lot, and it came back to bite him in the ass. We know that. But the other thing that comes out, I mean, you talk about a guy that's still as tough as there is, hanging in the pocket, waiting for receivers to come open downfield. You know, not afraid to pull the trigger.


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[Assistant] He can still make a lot of plays and help your team win football games. It's only two years ago he went 12 and 4 with the Chargers. Let's not forget that aspect of it.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I think Philip Rivers at times tried to do too much and it came back and bit him in the ass a few times.


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[Assistant] Right, and I'm at your point, that's going to, you know, that's going to embolden rivers to not have to take so many chances too.


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[Assistant] I think the fact that it won't be too overwhelming learning the offense and doing stuff like that. Frank Reichel knows some common terms that he might have had in his old offense. Nick Sirianni being there. It'll be an easy translation for, you know, this meant that, now this means this here.


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[Assistant] Right? I don't think it's gonna be like too much mental gymnastics and I'm a huge fan of Frank Wright. I really am.


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[Assistant] You know, what I've seen out of Frank Reich and that offense the last two years, I see weekly creativity and a weekly toughness to their football team.


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[Assistant] And you know, I think with some of the receivers they got there already, their second round pick, Paris Campbell from last year. He was heard a lot last year. I think he's got a big time talent. The addition of Jonathan Taylor, who I expect to be the starting running back, you know, decent tight ends, all that.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I just think everything is in place for the river, for Philip Rivers and the Colts.


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[Assistant] I agree. I mean, you know, he's always got, you know, something poking at his ass to make him mad or motivated or whatever it may be. I mean, a hot poker poking at it, okay?


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[Assistant] There were plenty of teams interested in Philip Rivers services this year and free agency. You know, I, I think Tampa had their eye on them.


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[Assistant] The Tennessee Titans, if it didn't get worked out with Ryan Tannehill, I think that was going to be the next choice. And of course we know the Colts like them. So, you know, between that, I don't think those teams have interest in him unless they go, whoa, he can still play, he can still play plays.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't think he moved from San Diego to LA, cause wasn't he taking that van back to work every day?


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[Assistant] Chris, you did a good job. That was a very proper ranking. Again.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's amazing. First off, I just want everybody to know that. That he's still playing at this level at this age. And certainly playing at a level that you can win a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] With the team around you. And he can do that. He can lead them to a Super Bowl this year as last year playing in the NFL. But for anybody to think, like, he's still in the top ten or maybe in the top five, like, this is all I have to say to you.


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[Assistant] The Saints wouldn't be pushing him out the door for Taysom Hill if he was still a top 5 or a top 10 quarterback. Like, that's all you need to know.


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[Assistant] Hey, Drew Blee- Drew Breeze, we know accuracy is his game.


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[Assistant] So, all those things are real. No doubt about it. And when you give him an offensive system, because of experience, yeaah, he can execute that system as good as anybody in the sport.


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[Assistant] And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but not at this point in his career.


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[Assistant] You know, and his ability to throw the ball down the field and make those game changing throws or those field position type changing throws. It's, you know, it's going downhill.


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[Assistant] There's no denying that. I don't know if you have the numbers to back that up, but I would expect that you might. But either way, they're bringing in Taysom Hill to throw a lot of deep balls, which should tell you there's a reason for that too.


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[Assistant] And to me, that's the biggest negative about Drew Brees' game right now. When we've seen them struggle in the playoffs and against some better defenses,


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[Assistant] It's the teams basically just go, we're not worried about anything 20 yards or deeper. We're going to crowd the middle of the field. We're going to play short passes and do that and take away Camara and Michael Thomas over the middle.


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[Assistant] You know, one, I want to say to Drew Brees, hey, I'd wish you'd throw for 65% and throw some more balls down the field and deep post and things like that. They're going to make defenses guard the whole field and maybe get on the back of their heels a little bit when they're a safety or a corner playing and those types of things.


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[Assistant] This is the great, one of the greatest offensive minds football has ever seen in Sean Payton, let alone there's great talent around Drew Brees at the offensive line position and running back and receiver and tight end. Okay. So we've got some real difference makers there and you know, again, to me,


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[Assistant] The ability to make plays and explosive plays other than turnovers is still the second biggest factor in winning football games.


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[Assistant] There are short throws that end up going for 20 plus yard type throws. And there's a difference there too. And I think it's a big reason they've struggled in some big moments the last few years. Cause like I said, all of a sudden you're playing the Vikings, you're playing the Rams, you're playing some of the Vikings again in this playoff.


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[Assistant] And, you know, that would be, you know, that's, that's where Drew Brees is at this point of his career. Hey, six, seven years ago, Drew Brees could scare you with his arm. And then that made things really dangerous. But right now, I don't think he has that effect.


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[Assistant] It's all the same, it's all the same offense too. I mean, it's all the same offense.


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[Assistant] John Gruden, hey, Kyle Shanahan, learn for John Gruden. John Gruden and Sean Payton are best friends. They run the same offense.


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[Assistant] You know, and Teddy Bridgewater of course was playing for Sean Payton too. But yes, those.


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[Assistant] Peyton and Shanahan are offensive geniuses and they know how to expose defenses in the middle of the field.


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[Assistant] I only throw to that guy. There's nothing to read. I'm looking over here just to make the defense move a little bit. You know, so on those type of plays too, I'm not going to sit there and go, Oh my gosh, what amazing quarterback play. The coach told him to look there and then look over there and throw to the open guy. Whoa, who could do that? So that's a little spiel on that one.


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[Assistant] Oh, I mean, he certainly could replicate and bring some of those plays somewhere else, right? And go, okay, this is what I got, and hey, we should infuse this, and they're gonna go, whoa, this is how Sean Payton taught this? Yes, let's put that in our offense. You know? So yes, there is certainly some of that, but also within that,


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[Assistant] Whoever that guy is, is gonna go, wait, we have to cancel some of these things out of our offense because Drew can't make that throw or that's not realistic to ask him to do, so you're gonna lose some offense too that way.


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[Assistant] So, you know, good question by you, certainly. Uh, I still have a lot of respect for Drew Brees. I know people think I don't like him. Uhm, yes, do I think he's a little overrated in the all-time ranks and things like that? Yeah, I do. I'm sorry. But I know he's still a first-valid Hall of Famer and a really special, special quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, again, I'd like to reiterate, just like with Drew Brees, Tom Brady's still good enough to win the Super Bowl. I'd like to reiterate, again,


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[Assistant] We put the quarterback on a pedestal and give them way too much credit. You know that. I say that all the time. And we've seen a lot of average quarterbacks go deeper in the playoffs over the last five, six years. Quarterbacks on rookie contracts. Hey, the worst quarterback in the NFL won the Super Bowl in 2016.


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[Assistant] And it was the worst quarterback statistically and realistically. And that was Peyton Manning. Because he had an awesome defense around him and they just managed the game to where the offense didn't mess it up. So I just want to make that clear. Tom Brady though, to get back to him.


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[Assistant] You know, of course, like a Drew Brees, his ability to dissect and read and react to a defense and, and react and make the proper throw, uh, it, it's, you know, it's genius the way he is. He's like Van Gogh with the quarterback position. He's an artist. I mean, he really is.


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[Assistant] Now, where the negative comes in is his pocket awareness is a little too aware right now.


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[Assistant] So those are the things, let alone, I think he's lost a little bit of his aggressive nature from what I saw, you know, even at the end of the 2018 year, but certainly in the 2019 year, to where, yes, I feel like, I don't want to say he was a Charlie Checkdown or anything like that,


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[Assistant] But as you heard me say many times during the year, there were times where I went, ooh, there's a 20 yard completion, or ooh.


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[Assistant] The guy on the left side is running away from man to man coverage. He could throw him a bomb and he decided to take an easy throw or an easy completion. And, uh, that to me, yes, he left some yards and plays on the field during the season and that's why he's number 15.


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[Assistant] I know, of course, and I reported at the time that Tampa was the real player and I knew once San Francisco was out of the conversation, it was between New England and Tampa. So, you know, again,


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[Assistant] New England wouldn't have let him go. I mean, that's really like the basis of it. Teams don't let go top 10 quarterbacks in football. They don't just go, man, we got one of the 10 best. Let's get them out of here and see if we can find.


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[Assistant] Somebody may be in the top 10. No, absolutely not. You know, and again, as good as Brady is, I do think that one of my big concerns with him in Tampa is their offensive line. Bruce Arians asking him to stand in the pocket and do those type of things.


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[Assistant] If he'll, if he'll stand in there and he's willing to take shots, he can still make big time, game changing type throws. But I would also say again, there's reluctance. Hey, Ahmed, the Tennessee Titans.


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[Assistant] You know, all he needed to do was make a few plays to win, especially the wild card game.


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[Assistant] You know, one big throw, one big move in the pocket makes something happen.


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[Assistant] And he didn't do it against a pass rush that was very average in Tennessee. It was not an average, I mean, not a good pass rush.


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[Assistant] That was the first time in the Brady era that that never happened. And, you know, again, you know me. I'm into...


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[Assistant] What are you doing if the offense doesn't deliver for you all the time? And I thought there was some times last year where


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean that'll be the big question, right? Cause you know they're gonna get com- compared to each other throughout the year.


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[Assistant] And, you know, if Sidham can gain some confidence early on and they don't have to ask him to win games and they can play through their demons, that intersection could happen.


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[Assistant] This isn't like New England, like, oh, we lost Brady. What are we going to do with quarterback? Oh, let's go with that guy, Stidham. No, Stidham was part of the plan for a long, long time.


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[Assistant] He's gonna have to teach Bruce Arians and Byron Leftwich some of those plays, some of their wide receiver screens. You know, they're gonna have to play a game, a little bit of...


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[Assistant] We need to run some of these plays to slow down the other team's pass rush, right? Whether it's screens to the receivers or the running backs or, you know, misdirection type plays that just take away the, they're going to have to be creative that way because yeah, I don't expect their offensive line to be top five or top 10 in football. I don't. I think it's going to be kind of the middle of the road type of offensive line.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think if they want to get accomplished, the big throws down the field, the Godwin and Evans and Gromk and all that, that they're going to have to give defenses a lot to think about.


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[Assistant] To then, okay, now we're gonna run a play, drop back and I need some time to let, dissect things and make a big play down the field to, to Evans or Gronk or whoever it may be.


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[Assistant] I know I don't think Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. I still love Tom Brady. I think he's amazing. He's certainly one of the top three of all time. And the fact that he's about to be 43 and he's still in the top half of the starting quarterbacks in football.


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[Assistant] You know, I have a lot of respect for the guy. I do. I just don't think he's the guy that we saw four or five years ago, three years ago, whatever. Yeaah, it's catching up to him a little bit. You can't expect him to carry the squad on a week to week basis. That no longer is going to happen. And I think we saw plenty of evidence of that last year.


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[Assistant] Look at Brady, if you went back and watched the Super Bowl 42 from 2007, if you look Brady's lower half in that uniform as compared to now, you would go, woah, yeaah, there is a difference. I just didn't realize it, cause you know, we just watch it on a year to year basis, but you know me, I'm a psycho, I'm sitting here gonna go watch


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[Assistant] You know, NFL films here in a little while, and I look at shit like that.


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[Assistant] But yes, there is a difference, and legs are a big part of the throwing, like we've talked about, and Warren Moon's one of the greatest throwers of all time, and he knows what he's talking about on that subject.


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[Assistant] You the man. Great pod. Always fun doing it with you, dude. Thanks for all your tidbits and backing me up with some stats. I always need that. I need a, I need a hype man. I need somebody with some muscles behind me so nobody messes with me. Uh, yup. Okay.


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[Assistant] Send your questions and mentions at me. You know I'm willing to talk about it and take it head on.


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[Assistant] But you the man, amen. Have a good weekend. Peace out. I'm outta here.


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[Assistant] I shower sometimes, I brush my teeth one time a day, and I run a 4-8-40, I don't know, Al River on through the challenge flag, I'm not sure I'm buying that bull crap right there either, I'm like my father, but what's up man, how you doing?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hear you. I'm the same way. I don't want any of that. Like close the yearbook. It's over. And dad, I did. I got that from dad. I mean dad used to have like, you know, a replica Super Bowl trophy. It was like locked away in a closet nobody could see. Like team MVP trophies from his years in the Giants.


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[Assistant] Ah, oh yeaah, there's, part of it's broken off, like, it's like, there was never any...


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[Assistant] Any caretaking to those things in our house and, uh, I don't know, I kinda respect dad for that. He just kinda moved on with life and moved on to the next phase. I try to do the same thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I had a, I think I had one from your game days and then, you know, somebody sent me like, you know, when the replica jerseys, the Mitchell and Ness came in, you know, real popular a few years ago, I got one or two of those, so.


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[Assistant] Ooh, okay, Jay Gruden, who drafted me, he's there now as the offensive coordinator. Do I go down there and roll the dice on, ooh, maybe Gardner, Minshew, you know, trips up a little bit to start the season and they want to bench him and then I can go in and be the starter.


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[Assistant] There's, there's some underwhelming back, you know, backup quarterbacks on it, as you know. I mean, we just showed a graphic to where, yeah, there's some teams out there where you look at it and you go, man, they're rolling the dice. If they're starting quarterback gets hurt, you know, hey, well, you know, that's a great one.


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[Assistant] Right, I mean, so if, woah, we're gonna hand over the reins to a team that we think's in the Super Bowl window to Cooper Rush? I don't know if I'd feel real comfortable about that.


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[Assistant] No, no, we're seeing their plan. Their plan was to draft Jared Stidham because they thought he was a guy that could take over from Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] You know, they're, they're already into their plan. There isn't no like, oh man, Tom left us and now we're going to figure it out over the next two years. Come on everybody. We know New England doesn't operate that way. And to dad's point, it's like drew lock too. It's the same thing. They, Jared said it was a first round pick.


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[Assistant] If he leaves after his junior year, just like Drew Lockwood a bit.


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[Assistant] But oh, what happened? The team fell apart around them and we all went, oh, he's not a winner. We can't draft him in the first round. I don't know. And that's really what happened. And that became the perception around that. And it's the same thing with Drew Lock.


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[Assistant] I was more floored by it and I think I got, you know, tricked by it a little bit because Ahmed, you see throws where you go, whoa, that's Aaron Rodgers. But to dad's point, when you're really evaluating a player, there was so much inconsistency in not only accuracy of the throws, but decision making to where you just went,


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[Assistant] You know, and dad ultimately said, Christopher, I, you know, I know what you see a little with Jordan love, but I don't think you can't rank them in front of Tua. You know, you just can't by what you're seeing and studying. There's no way. And when he said that to me, I was like, you know what? You're right. I'm, I'm wanting Jordan love to be something.


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[Assistant] They can't trade him for two years. They can't. It'll ruin their football team.


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[Assistant] He's got a $51 million cap charge this year. So if they trade him, that's $51 million for a guy that's done it on their team. Next year it's north of $30 million cap charge. So it's two years of Aaron Rodgers, like dad said, he's got the power now to go


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[Assistant] He's gonna have two really awesome years there and go, alright, I'm ready to move on. Is Jordan Love ready for you guys? Oh, that's right. I don't really care. I want to be traded. Get me out of here. And I think he's gonna force his way out. I don't think he's gonna play nice guy with Green Bay. I mean, if I'm him, I'm just pissed off beyond belief right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I've talked about this a lot. Again, first off, this isn't like Jordan's love, alright? This is not the same thing. This is about, to what Dad's saying, I think a little bit of a weapon for the offense here for a few years. I'm with Dad, I question


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[Assistant] Uhm, but nonetheless, I get it, it's a copycat league and he's such a big name in the college sports world that, you know, the hype and everything around him is so big. But I don't think in any way, shape or form, he is there to challenge Carson Wentz. Now listen, Carson Wentz.


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[Assistant] You know, right? We're not, I'm not gonna put him in Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, uh, class there, Russell Wilson. But he's that next group of, group down.


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[Assistant] And, you know, people are crazy to think like Philadelphia gave him a hundred million guaranteed. They traded away a bunch of draft picks to get him. They believe in Carson Wynn. He's special. I think that agrees with me there. I mean, he's one of those quarterbacks where


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm with you. I mean, I, I agree. I, I don't think like the Giants are going to be playoff contenders this year, but I think they're going to be a pain in the butt for a lot of teams that do go to the playoffs and pull off a few upsets. Like I would think the Giants


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[Assistant] For, with a 500 record? I do. You know, the one thing I like about the Giants...


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[Assistant] You know, and I think God would agree with this. They're invested in big people, and I do like that aspect of them.


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[Assistant] You know, their defensive line is as big as any defensive line in football. And when you play in a division with the Washington Redskins, the Philadelphia Eagles, and the Dallas Cowboys, and the offensive lines they have,


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[Assistant] You know, they're going to be able to stand up to those teams physically and give them a tough time. And then they improve the offensive line. There's no doubt about it. And of course, Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley in years two and three is going to be a big boost for their football team as well.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, right, and I gotta look that number up, but I would think it's at least another five or six guys, certainly, but I mean...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it just hits to the broader point too, and I'm with you, Utah, but...


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[Assistant] Man dad, when you watch, when you watch college football, I mean, I don't know if you and I have talked about this, but it's just the SEC.


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[Assistant] And you know, we look at Michigan as football fans and go, they're, you know, they're not the cream of the crop, but they're that next group down every year where we go, they could be in the national title picture.


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[Assistant] They don't even have the same look as them as Alabama. Alabama looks like they were playing a lesser team all together because Alabama is full of grown men who are just beasts all over the field.


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[Assistant] The rich got richer, to steal one of your phrases from the draft. I think that's one thing we both came away going, they're really good teams in football.


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[Assistant] That's a great question. Well, let's see. I think if we go, two years might be too soon.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's, that's all I'd say. That would be my first thing. First off, I mean,


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[Assistant] Interior office alignment, a little less than maybe we've seen in years past in the draft, but I still think there's enough there to go, okay, we've got a starting office in the line. You know, really.


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[Assistant] You were very aware that, oh man, there's a lot of grown ass men across the ball, and you were in awe of that a little bit.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. And, you know, yeaah, dad made a lot of good points about that. Those teams are certainly, you know, in the upper echelon. And hey, to me, one of the things that uh, and we'll have dad back on again too so he can talk more about the quarterback and the draft. Hey, I mean, we got


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[Assistant] Not a whole lot of news to talk about over here the next few weeks. And we're going to continue to dive into this type of stuff. But man, the fact that Ohio State


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[Assistant] But that's one I feel pretty comfortable in. Not to say he's going to be number one, but it's top five, whatever it is. It's going to be very high in the draft. It's special there. Hey, the Ohio State quarterback, you know, there's, there's something there too to look at him. Again, if you like guys like Jalen Hurts.


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[Assistant] And is every bit the good of the athlete. So I think there's more potential for him as a quarterback. There's the...


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[Assistant] Hey, the two other receivers at Alabama, number 17 and number 6, and I'm sorry to my man Kevin Brady, I just, you know, I don't know these names.


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[Assistant] So they're gonna be first round talents that I saw, certainly. Uhm, so I think those are some guys that just jump off to me, and I'm probably forgetting a few too. Uh, but regardless, I think that's a pretty good base as far as guys that I certainly jumped off the screen to be. Do you got that Miami tight ends name?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. He's a freak of nature. He really is. And uh, I'm looking forward to evaluating him next year.


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[Assistant] Well, I-I-I like the Bears, you know, the-the big thing that jumps out to me about the Bears, I mean, you know I'm a Cole Comet fan.


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[Assistant] And I'm a Jalen Johnson fan, the Utah Corner. Now listen, I didn't think he was like a first round talent, but I think a lot of people did. I think a lot of people thought he could maybe go at the end of the first round. Uh, my father, I mean,


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[Assistant] With their first two picks as far as guys that are going to contribute to their football team in year one. And I know they have like, you know, a good amount of tight ends there in Chicago.


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[Assistant] But they don't have any like, Kolkomet. Kolkomet's special. I mean, he's a really good run blocker, and he's really good in the pass game. And Matt Nagy, I mean, he came from Kansas City, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, you had Travis Kelsey who could do so many different things to him. And I think, you know, again, the offensive line is not perfect in Chicago, but I didn't look at it as like, oh my gosh, it's a necessity. And if they don't draft somebody in the first three rounds.


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[Assistant] They won't be able to do anything. No, I think Chicago just needs to be a little tougher in their run game attack and be a little more, what do I want to say? Just stubborn with that to a degree. They're a little much into that shotgun and.


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[Assistant] And pretty type offense like Kansas City, except they don't have the pretty type weapons to make that happen. So I think their approach has to change. But man, when you get into Jimmy Graham and Colt Comet and then a few of the receivers.


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[Assistant] You know, the running back position is better for Chicago. I have no problem with Chicago. Again, this is a team that's...


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[Assistant] Got a defense that's already in place that's one of the best in football. It's just about matinee be adding creativity to that offense. That's my biggest thing. And of course the quarterback position where I do expect Nick Foles to be the starting quarterback when all said and done to start the year.


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[Assistant] He ran what, 437 or 438, something like that at the combine. And when you turn on the film of Baylor, it's legit.


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[Assistant] I mean, you can see him take off down the sideline and go, whoa. I mean, he kinda looks like AJ Green when he takes off and does stuff like that. He's got that type of body. Now, I'm not gonna say this is physically impressive as DK Metcalf.


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[Assistant] BK Metcalf was one of those guys, Ahmed, and you were doing pods with me last year where I just went...


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[Assistant] I don't get it. I don't know how he's not the first guy off the board. He's the biggest, the fastest, the strongest. You know, it was again overanalyzing by the NFL crowd. Denzel Mims.


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[Assistant] You know, I do know he had the hurt hand last year, and I think ultimately that's what really hurt him in this draft process. I think teams looked at him and go,


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[Assistant] Man, he's got the ability to catch 50-50 balls and rip the ball out of the air and certainly did it a decent amount.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I, I think this guy does have the potential to be a number one wide receiver. And I think he's gonna have a big place in that jet system right away. So, not gonna say he's the prospect DK Metcalf is.


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[Assistant] But I certainly think there's potential here for this guy to be really damn good and a certain, uh, certainly a guy that like defenses go, ooh, we need to watch him because he could be a 70 yard bomb over the top for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] No, no, he, he did. He spilled the beans to me. I, I knew it all along. I did. Uhm, you know, and I'm not gonna lie.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say that I thought he was like tied for the number one or number two receiver in the draft. I'll disagree there, but I will say this.


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[Assistant] I always listen and perk up, and I knew he was on the radar for the 49ers in a big time way. Listen, when Kyle Shanahan told me...


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[Assistant] Man, I think this guy's Isaac Bruce, then...


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[Assistant] You know, and we had a conversation of when people think I'm crazy, if I took Brandon Iuke at 13 and I said,


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[Assistant] Or show any connection and dots there between IUK and the 49ers, but, uh, I think what Kyle liked about him is, you know, there's certain things he looks in route running.


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[Assistant] Wide receivers who can rip the ball out of the air and not lose any speed when the ball is thrown accurately. Like you saw with Debo Samuel last year. How many times did you see Debo Samuel running over the middle, rip the ball out of the air, and running like a bat out of hell, right? Like, like no throttle or anything, just ZOOM!


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[Assistant] He loves that. And I think what Chen and also likes is you're not going to be able to pin Dibo or IU to certain roles on that often.


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[Assistant] But, uh, it was an awesome pick by Shanahan. I mean, they killed it in the draft. It's the best three-person draft ever, when I say that. I know they drafted more, but to get Ayuk, Kinlaw, and then trade for Trent Williams on the second day of the draft, I mean, as far as three big moves, I don't know if there was three bigger moves in the draft than the 49ers or what they did.


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[Assistant] Kyle and I had talked so many times and I went, oh my gosh, we're sitting here and all, like you just said, all three guys are on the board at 13. Like, I don't think he thought in a million years, all three of them would be there.


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[Assistant] And so when it got to that point, you know, I think that I thought he would take the defense to tackle just because he's rare and then the wide receiver class certainly being deep.


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[Assistant] That you gotta get the premium D tackle right now because you can't risk that he'll be on there on the board later in the round. Like, you know, him and Brown were clearly ahead of the rest of the group. So yeah, it really played out the right way. And two, I'm dying to know.


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[Assistant] I would love to know, I'm dying to ask Chris Ballard, would you have traded the 13th pick away if you knew you could have got Jovan Kinlaw at 13th? Cause I would think in my heart of hearts and knowing Chris Ballard a little bit and certainly knowing how he runs his football team, which he's one of the best evaluators of GMs in the game,


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[Assistant] I would think he saw Javon Kinlaw a lot like, you know, I did or some other of my coaches friends around the NFL where you went.


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[Assistant] He's a top 5, a top 8 pick for sure. He just won't be on the board for us at 13, so we need to make a move.


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[Assistant] I just wonder if he was sitting there like going, damn it, I gave this guy $22 million and traded away a pick and one of those damn D tackles is on the board. I'll never know that and I'm sure he'll never admit that, but I would, I would love to know.


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[Assistant] I, you know, I think he would have been. I do. You know, I think he...


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[Assistant] I think he would have been the top running back in this year's class too. I do. I don't have any doubt about that. Josh Jacobs just has unique, first off, he's very smooth in the pass game.


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[Assistant] And I think you're going to see him take that next step with the Las Vegas Raiders this year. You know, I know they think he's, I know for a fact they think he's very capable of.


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[Assistant] Doing some of that Alvin Kamara stuff out of the backfield.


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[Assistant] Ahmed, you know, it just, he's very special in the fact of...


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[Assistant] He can run through the tackles and run over a linebacker or break arm tackles.


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[Assistant] But has incredible quickness and ability to stick his foot in the ground or make jump cuts.


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[Assistant] Where nobody can touch him that way, you know, and yes, as he is explosive as a Jonathan Taylor, right? No, he's not going to take it 70 yards of the house that way.


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[Assistant] But a little bit more like a Clyde Edwards Hilaire where you go, man, there's going to be a lot of awesome 10, 15, 30 yard runs where.


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[Assistant] Shake out another guy, accelerated really fast. They don't have great long speed, but they can really accelerate and they got 30 yards out of a run that should have been for a three yard game. And I think that's really where he was special. So, uh, you know, I love Jonathan Taylor. I love JK Dobbins.


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[Assistant] But, and I love Clyde Edwards O'Lare, and I think he fits with Kansas City better than a Josh Jacobs does, but I think Josh Jacobs overall would probably still be the number one running back in that class.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, Leveon Bell-ish, the way he can move his feet and make people miss. He can run you over, you know, a little bit like we just talked about with Josh Jacobs. It's not going to be 90 yard, 80 yard touchdown.


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[Assistant] Gonna be a lot of awesome 15, 20, 30 yard runs. I like Devin Singletary. You know, I like Marlon Mack in Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] There's a reason these teams drafted a running back in the second and third round. Because I think they went away after evaluating the season and went...


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[Assistant] We left some meat on the bone. Like, yea, Devon Singletary ran for some runs where it was a big hole and he got 25 yard gain. But I think there's going to be a lot of those runs where Buffalo Bills evaluators and coaches probably went away and went, man, a really top notch running back would have got 60 right there. Would have got 45.


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[Assistant] And I think that's what happened with Marlon Mack and, uh, Devin Singletary.


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[Assistant] You know, Devon Singletary, I always look at it as more of a third down, Dion Lewis, James White type, who yes, he can run between the tackles, but that's not going to be his forte. And with them running the New England offense, I think you're going to see Dak Moss run the LeGarrette blunt, you know, stuff. And then you'll see Singletary come in and be James White.


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[Assistant] Oh, I like Jameis Winston. I mean, there's a lot of things I like about his game. Now, I'd also like you to look up fumbles and see what the difference is there because I would bet you Jameis Winston has significantly more fumbles than Peyton Manning as well, which will add to that turnover conversation. You know, but I think it's more about


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[Assistant] When the interceptions came and, you know, the spread of those interceptions.


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[Assistant] Yeah, early on in his career, I mean, let's go past the rookie year where I know Peyton Manning through like, you know, 29 interceptions or whatever else broke the rookie record. After that,


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[Assistant] Yes, was he perfect? No. He was good for about one interception a game. But also within that, they were winning football games.


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[Assistant] He was literally drafted and they were like, alright, if you don't throw for 350, three touchdowns, and an interception, we can't win today.


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[Assistant] So that led to some of his mistakes as well, but I think it's more about the timing and when the mistakes happen. You know, there's a difference in throwing an interception in the second quarter and then


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[Assistant] Throwing pick sixes in overtime or late in the game or making big mistakes like that, which have seemed to plague Jamis Winston more than anything. Let alone, I think Peyton Manning's interceptions were like,


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[Assistant] A little more spread out evenly. Jameis Winston came in trove where you can specifically look at games and go, he lost them that game. He literally had six turnovers in that game. Where, you know, and then he might go on a run for three or four weeks and have no turnovers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know what's funny is I got a lot of crap for that last year. Like, how could you put them in there? You don't know. I mean, I put Kyler Murray as one of the five best scramblers in football and people were like,


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[Assistant] You're crazy. You haven't even seen him play in the NFL. No, I didn't need to. He runs 4-3. He's gonna be good at scrambling. He's arguably the fastest guy on the Arizona Cardinal football team. So it's okay to make those type of projections at times.


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[Assistant] I think right now I look at Joe Burrow and go, definitely going to make the lift. No doubt about it. I mean, there's some backend starters in the NFL right now. I don't need to see Joe Burrow ever play a game in the NFL. I know he's better than some of those guys. You know, Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, Joe Burrow is better than Teddy Bridgewater. I don't need to see any NFL things. I know right now that Joe Burrow is going to be better than Teddy Bridgewater. I do. I feel very confident in that. I also think Joe Burrow is better than Tyrod Taylor.


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[Assistant] So there you go. I can just name a few names right off the bat. He's better than Ryan Fitzpatrick in Miami. So those are people I'm going to put in front. I know they have experience, but they're not capable of making some of the plays that Joe Burroughs is going to be able to make.


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[Assistant] Plus I know Joe Burrow is smart. He executed a pretty good NFL offense in college. So I've seen enough to know he's better than certain guys in football already.


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[Assistant] I definitely do. There's no doubt. You know, I'd be lying if that wasn't on my future radar at some point.


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[Assistant] I'm not like, oh man, I need a GM job. I gotta have it. No, I don't even, I wouldn't want one right now. I really wouldn't. You know, I am enjoying my job at NBC. You know, they're compensating me very nicely for that as well.


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[Assistant] Man, I haven't seen my kids in a year and a half. I don't know if I can keep living like this. You know, I didn't just want to wake up 20 years from now and go, man, I got a Super Bowl ring, but


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[Assistant] And learn from some really good people, you know, in college and of course to be in the pros and learn from a Bill Belichick and a Joshua McDaniels and John Gruden and Jeff Fisher along with some other great people in the front offices and Mack Brown in college.


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[Assistant] Uh, and of course just growing up in the household with my dad and being around, you know, the bill parcells of the world and a bunch of other giant players, you know, I got to play it. I understand X's and O's.


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[Assistant] And I've seen a lot of these guys in person to know some of the physical attributes you can look at at times to go, ooh.


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[Assistant] That guy's got the look that I saw in Player X when I was younger, or when I was playing in the NFL. He looks like that guy. And that usually translates. So, those are the positives I bring, uh, but we'll see, man. I'm not...


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, what's up? Come on, man. Subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you. Please hit the subscribe button, please.


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[Assistant] Most people. I honestly feel like it's most people, Chris, that are okay with peeing in the pool. And I was watching this YouTube video.


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[Assistant] Uhm, like two weeks ago, I forget what his name is, I think it's like Mark Rober or whatever. He does all these scientific experiments. And he did one where he filled up buckets. One with just a lot of chlorine. And then another with a lot of chlorine and then a little bit of pee.


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[Assistant] And he smelled them and he said only one smelled like a public pool. And you can probably guess which one that was.


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[Assistant] It was the bucket with a little bit of the pee in it. This happens all the time. No doubt. I'm not shocked. I don't know if I can go in a pool again.


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[Assistant] Already in the first minute in, we've already got some sort of a delay here. All right, drop out right now, Chris. Let's just do it as part of the first part of the pod here, because this is how it is in 2020. We just got to drop out. So Chris is about to drop out right now. Let's keep this all in too, so that people can see like the inner workings.


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[Assistant] Chris is making sure that we do not lose momentum on the pee talk. His last thing before he dipped out before reconnecting right here is that he did not want to lose where we were in that conversation about peeing in the pool. Which if you do that, I don't want to make you feel bad either because you're not alone. And it's probably very sterile.


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[Assistant] Because what you hear is very clean. And some baseball players used to pee on their hands, uh, to make their hands softer. And so I, you know, sometimes you just have to do so. Chris, a lot of things happened while you were gone right there. I talked about Moises Alou peeing on his hands to get rid of the calluses.


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[Assistant] There is, uh, there is maybe some science out there that says once the pee hits a pool in chlorine that it goes away or something like that. I don't think that's the case. What we need, Chris, is that we need some sort of chemical that you put in a pool that turns your pee purple.


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[Assistant] Right? If there was a way to turn people's pee purple in the pool, it would be, the problem would be gone. You would not see it anymore. It would be over.


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[Assistant] So wait, today is uh, little Phil's 10th birthday, correct? Yep. Congratulations to him. And so are you having kids over at the pool today? Is that what you were saying?


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[Assistant] How'd you know? Did he tell you? How did he, how do you know he did that?


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[Assistant] Uh, so just tell them it's purple. Just tell them it turns purple. See if that works today. Just drop it out there and see how many people believe you. Uh, so, how, uh, we're gonna talk to Big Phil today.


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[Assistant] We're going to ask him a few things about, you know, we're hearing about some teams bringing in fans, some teams not bringing in fans, what effect that might have on players, coaches. We're going to talk to him about a little more of the Seattle scheme and how different teams and coaches have.


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[Assistant] I've addressed that because you talked with Rodney Harrison today on PFT live and


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[Assistant] More people are, you're almost getting to the point with talking about the Seattle scheme. It's like a, it's like the ex-girlfriend where it's just like, you're still hung up on this person because you say you don't like them, but you talk about them an awful lot. It's almost getting to that point here.


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[Assistant] So let's save that for a little bit closer to when your dad jumps on the line here in about 15 minutes from now, because Derwin's team was highlighted.


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[Assistant] In the first episode of Hard Knocks, it's going to be the LA Chargers and the LA Rams. Let's get Chris Simms unbuttoned reaction to the first episode of Hard Knocks. And Chris, honestly, it was going to be hard enough for me to keep these two teams.


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[Assistant] Uh, separate with the logo changes that they have because they look so similar now. The LA Chargers and LA Rams. And now after watching Hard Knocks, and I'm sure after watching all the episodes, it will be darn near impossible to separate who plays for which team and which team is which. It's very hard.


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[Assistant] I agree with that. They' and and and you've been a more than I have and I feel have a certain level of t if you're going to elevat of being a head coach, b have that, that ability. Bill Belichick, he's not


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe more so than what we've seen with some of the players, but, uh, you've been around them more than, more than most.


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[Assistant] I agree with you though. I think that when you look at where we are in a country and in businesses all around the country, it's like there's a lack of leadership in a lot of these positions. And I think watching those two guys operate and how they handle.


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[Assistant] It was, uh, yeah, yeah. Talking about the social justice issues with the team as a whole and kind of getting personal. And, and, and I think that.


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[Assistant] Above all is that you care about your players, you care about your players, what they're, they're doing off the field. You care about your players, keeping them healthy on the field. So you're going to go through all these hoops and make changes to your building and to your facility. And so I think it shows how much you do care about them.


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[Assistant] are using the Miami Marlin It's almost like everyon and even baseball are gla did what they did becaus look at that. Hey, don't be those idiots over there because of how this can all go go


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[Assistant] The only player to test positive, uh, of all the players that they tested with those two teams initially at least.


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[Assistant] You know, he couldn't be by the facility. You had to sit out like, what was it? 10, 10 days and talk about, talk about, uh, putting, uh, putting the pressure on the early part of your career and you can't even be in the building.


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[Assistant] I agree. I have a lot more faith that it was like, wow, they're, they're not in a bubble, but it's almost like with all these tests that they have to go through and the protocols they're, they're following, it's like they kind of are at a halfway in a bubble there. They're like three things real quick that I want to address with this one. And Pete just brought one up now and he talked about, uh, Aaron Donald.


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[Assistant] And the players didn't want to take the test with the Q-tip. I think a lot of them thought it was going to be the brain tickler and it wasn't really the brain tickler. Uh, they just kind of put the Q-tip up a little bit in their nose. And then I love how Sean McVay, what was his quote on that? He goes, it's like a Q-tip through your nose. And I was like, it is like that because it's exactly what they.


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[Assistant] I was like, it's not like it. That's exactly what they did. But when they were taking the blood for the antibodies, uhm, Aaron Donald did not like the Neato. Did you, did you notice that? He was, I mean, he was not comfortable at all with any part of that process.


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[Assistant] Would you still put him part of your zombie apocalypse? Sorry to interrupt you there, Chris. Would you still put him as a member of your zombie apocalypse after seeing him so frightened?


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[Assistant] I feel like that needs to be talked about before you head out to the practice field, because if you're having one of those moments where you have to, you have to take a dump in a porta potty, you know, you're not thinking of like, is this okay? You're thinking of like, this needs to come out of my body immediately. I feel like I kind of sympathize with whoever did that because I feel like those ground rules should have been laid before. Probably, probably.


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[Assistant] I wanna ask you both about another part of that real quick on Hard Knocks and then we'll move on to the Derwin James interview that Chris you did also that's on our YouTube page about a 20 minute interview with the Chargers Safety and some of the things you talked about there. But did you see the Justin Herbert target practice?


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[Assistant] They had those, those hoops and then they had the net, uh, through them. I was watching that and I was like, Oh, I'm so curious to ask Phil and Chris about that. Chris, what'd you think of the target practice and how common of an activity is that?


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[Assistant] I think I lost him there too. All right. Will you there?


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[Assistant] Could be a good player, could be a star. I think they're going to be a couple of stars of this hard knock series, Jalen Ramsey, one of them. Um, and also Derwin James on, uh,


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[Assistant] So he's a, he's a friend of a friend of the show. And you said that he, along with Jamal Adams are the two top safeties in your mind in the NFL right now. And they both are playing that same, same position, that same cam chancellor role.


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[Assistant] We've talked about this, Phil, and I know with you as well, the Seattle scheme and


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[Assistant] And how, uh, how, you know, impressive or, or in Chris's mind, sometimes not impressive and sometimes easier to decode perhaps for, for the quarterback. But, um, but when you have players like Derwin Jamesville and Jamal Adams, it certainly makes that defense tougher to crack.


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[Assistant] Hey Phil, and before you go, before you go right here, I legitimately, this is not even a joke, I gotta go check my front door, but this is a conversation that you and Chris can carry for the next few minutes. I'm gonna dip out, but let me, I'm gonna let you know that I will be back, just so I don't want to freak you out. Go ahead, go do it.


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[Assistant] So I wonder how much of it too is that, you know, with some of these complicated defenses.


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[Assistant] You know, they work because the players have played together and they can communicate without communicating. You just kind of know where the other player is going to be. There's another thing to this whole thing.


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[Assistant] Is that in a lot of these places, there's going to be significantly less sound. You know, there's no fans or pared down fans. We're starting to hear some of the plans by these teams. The Dallas Cowboys have said, you know, Jerry Jones says he wants fans right now.


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[Assistant] They have, uh, this communication on the field will be allowed to be a whole lot more effective with just, with just talking than it has been ever before.


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[Assistant] Right. I, I, I wonder, um, and that's, that's super interesting stuff, but, um,


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[Assistant] What I was talking about before, is there, and the more I think about this, is there an advantage to be had by a smart team out there to play in this environment? Like, I'm kinda thinking like Houston Astros when they were beating on the trash can to signify if there was a change up coming or a curve ball.


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[Assistant] But not along the lines of cheating, but just like, okay.


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[Assistant] quarterback. If you hear this sound, that means backside, you know, to your left, there's a receiver that's open or, you know, defensively, if you hear this sound, that means that we think it's a play action. Like I, I wonder if there's a place for smart teams to be able to use, use the no crowd to their advantage.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Phil, we don't want to take too much of your time, but we do want to get, uh, real quick your thoughts on something that was tweeted to us a couple of days ago and Chris responded to it. This came from BigBlueVCR.


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[Assistant] And he showed a clip, it was a video clip, like a 30 second clip of you on the sideline, 1985 preseason Hall of Fame game versus the Oilers. You needed stitches for a laceration on your right hand. Um, you got back from the hospital and then you can hear on the live broadcast, I believe it's Frank Gifford.


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[Assistant] Um, relay a message to your wife from you apparently, that you wanted him to tell everyone, tell your wife, most specifically, that you were going to be okay, that she did not need to worry. Could you take us back to that game in 1985?


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[Assistant] In years, in years past, you could, you could go out and you could do that.


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[Assistant] And takes over for you. Now that guy might have to quarantine cause he was hanging around you too much. And so, yeah, I think that pressure to, uh, to do their, do the right thing, uh, in 2020 has never been, uh, never been greater. Thanks again, Phil, for, uh, for the insight. Sorry. I had to dip out for a bit.


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[Assistant] I don't think he, I don't think he needed that, Chris. I don't think he was totally out.


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[Assistant] I was like, I think it was something more sympathetic that he was looking for, but I guess that's what, uh, that's what The Sims Family does. And I've come to find out that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we got, we got breaking news. Chris, have you seen this breaking news?


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[Assistant] Well, I've, I've been leaving, checking the front door. You've been dipping out. We've been talking about pee. It's been a crazy one, but the breaking news is something that we rumored to have happened here today and it's finally happened. George Kittle has signed a long-term deal.


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[Assistant] It is five years, $75 million, $15 million per year. That's a record for a tight end. Next highest tight end salary is Hunter Henry at 10.6. So he shattered it tight end money for, uh, for George Kittle. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Pete notes here, that's 12th among wide receivers, behind Jarvis Landry, who's making 15, got Brandon Cooks, DeAndre Hopkins, Adam Thielen, 16.2. So there you go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so what do you think about that? You know, cause you got these players to get caught in these weird positions that, you know, have stratified salary structures around them.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the same thing happens maybe to safety with a guy like Jamal Adams who does so much, Derwin James who does so much than just a normal safety. Uhm, so what do you think about that structure of, of, you're kind of tied to your position even though George Kittle is breaking the mold a little bit here at tight end.


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[Assistant] I'm looking at your top 10 rankings right now for wide receivers and I'm trying to think where he would slot in as far as like a value, what he brings to a team.


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[Assistant] Uh, overall, if he was included in your rankings here, and I'm looking at, you got Hill, Jones, Michael Thomas, Mike Evans, Deandre Hopkins, top five, then Odell.


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[Assistant] Everson Griffin, uh, going to the Dallas Cowboys, former Vikings defensive end.


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[Assistant] We did hear some rumors that he could be headed to the Seahawks, but ends up going to the Cowboys. What is it, what does it do for uh, for them?


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[Assistant] So what about Seattle now? What do they need? Do they need still help on the defensive line? Are they, is it imperative they make a move?


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[Assistant] One note I'm reading that Pete gave us on our previous conversation there about some of those wide receiver salaries, just to double back on, on Kittle real quick here. You were saying his value is right around there of a guy like, uh, you know, Michael Thomas, cause they built the offense around him, DeAndre Hopkins, you know, Michael Thomas making 19.3 million per year. And so.


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[Assistant] Uh, George Kittle might be underpaid here. Sorry to just totally go back to what we were talking about.


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[Assistant] And so it just totally changes how all these, these players think about. I mean, we heard the Dallas Cowboys kind of saying it about Dak Prescott. I heard you talking on PFT. You know, it does matter, right? Obviously it does matter what the other guys around him are getting, what Patrick Mahomes deal.


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[Assistant] Gave him, mattered for Dak Prescott, and so yea, Darren Waller's deal apparently didn't matter as much for, uh, for George Kittle, but it, uh, it did the other way around. Uhm, Chris, next time we talk,


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[Assistant] We got a few things that we want to do the X's and O's. We want to get that. We want to get back in person, Chris. We got to get in the same room at some point. I don't know exactly what day we'll do that. But we also got this thing. It came from a tweet. I don't know exactly who tweeted it. Maybe Pete can, uh, can bring it up. Um, that, uh,


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[Assistant] We gotta make a fake team in the NFL from a state that doesn't have an NFL team.


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[Assistant] And from a city, obviously, that doesn't have an NFL team and, uh, fill them with Chris's favorite active players. So we're, I want to definitely do that and.


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[Assistant] I've already kind of looked at the, uh, the offensive side of the ball. Pete and I have both kind of tried to get inside your, your brain and see which players would be on Chris's favorite, favorite offensive football team. Um, so that's what we got to do, Chris. We've got to come up with a, find a state that doesn't have a team, pick a city.


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[Assistant] Make Chris Simms football team in that city. We'll brand it. We'll give them colors. We'll give them a cool mascot name. We won't call them the Wildcats or the Tigers or Bengals or anything like that. Thank you. Thank you. Something cool. So we're going to make this Chris Simms football team in a place that doesn't have an NFL football team yet. And then we're going to fill them with your favorite players so far. Does that sound like a, does that sound like a fun plan?


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[Assistant] Do you want, hey, well, I kind of need the state in the city first. Do you want to pick a state? If you were, if you were to put a team into a state that doesn't have one right now, I was just looking, there are 26 states that do not have an NFL football team.


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[Assistant] I think this has been updated here. Uhm, let's pick a state and then I'll take it from there. I'll pick a city. I'll pick maybe some of the design and I'll run a few nicknames by you. Uhm, but what state, if you want to pull up the, pull up the teams, pull up the map.


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[Assistant] You do. What state deserves an NFL team, Chris? Can you think offhand or do you need more time on that?


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[Assistant] Pete says St. Louis, although we should give it to a city that's never had one, right? It's a brand new town.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Alabama, although they got Nick Saban in Alabama, that's basically like a pro team. Um, Pete likes Kentucky. He votes for them. We got Connecticut, Alaska. If you want to go Arkansas, Hawaii could put a team out there. Kansas.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, little corn huskers are pretty much like an NFL team. New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, you got the Dakotas.


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[Assistant] You got South Carolina, you got Oregon, Oklahoma, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming. You got a lot of, uh, a lot of choices here.


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[Assistant] You go to the store and there's pa- there's Patriot stuff, there's Red Sox stuff everywhere here in, uh, Connecticut. Pete votes for...


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[Assistant] He throws this one out there, the South Dakota Rushmoors.


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[Assistant] He wants to be offensive coordinator. Do you like that?


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[Assistant] So preliminarily we're leaning towards South Dakota, having a team somewhere in South Dakota. Is that what you, are you willing to say that?


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[Assistant] I know, I know very little, perhaps nothing about South Dakota. So, uh, so outside of Mount Rushmore. So I, yeah, we're leaning that way. So we'll, we'll pick the team. We'll get the nickname. We'll, we'll get the colors. We'll.


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[Assistant] Fill it out with your favorite players. And then what we'll do in the future, Chris, we can, we can draft your favorite players onto that team. So when you do your top quarterbacks, it was like, all right, who are you putting on the Rushmore is number one. It's just like, you have total ownership of this.


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[Assistant] Well, that's why I felt bad. I was like, let me at least try to guess what Chris would fill out his team with so he's not doing 100% of the work, only 90% of it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got hockey on Sunday. I got NHL on Sunday working with Matt Casey with that. And I got horse racing on Saturday working with Rob Hyland, who you work with for Football Night in America. It's just like, I get to reconvene with everyone in the company over the matter of a week here. So looking forward to it. Good. Get your ass to work.


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[Assistant] My dog was going crazy, that's what it was like. I gotta go down there. I was like, there's someone that was like, in, yeaah. I was like, there's someone either walking around in my house or just waiting outside the front door. I couldn't tell which one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, happy birthday, yes. Alright, you know what time it is?


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[Assistant] The hard part is over and I wanted to ask you about that. Take me inside Sims draft headquarters there yesterday. You and Mike do PFT in the morning. Where do you go? How much time did you spend working on this yesterday?


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[Assistant] Little tease, a little preview of what's coming. Is there one team or one player that you spent the most time poring over?


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[Assistant] Uh, good. Metal Note. Whenever his name comes up, we'll dive into that one a little more. Before we get rolling here with your mock, all 32 picks in the first round. Federally mandated to have you point out whether you are doing this according to what you think and you want to happen or whether you're doing this, hey, I want to get every one of these picks right. This is what I think will happen.


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[Assistant] And one final thing to keep in mind here, I did Peter King's mock draft a couple days ago, and I knew all the picks going in. I mean, I had his football morning in America article, so I had everything written in and some questions, uh, kind of planned out.