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[Assistant] Definitely. It goes into our old saying, right? You know, just like, you gotta live it. You gotta know it, right? I mean, that's what I do. I totally just...


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[Assistant] Get into the details and nitty gritty and engross myself with the whole process, but yes, within that, it does. It helps her next year, right? I mean, when we get to July or August every year, I have people in the TV business, right, who will


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[Assistant] Oh wait, what did you think of this guy in the draft? Oh wait, I didn't, you know, what about this guy, blah, blah, blah. And I always can kinda grin to myself to go, thank God I don't have to do that.


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[Assistant] Thank God I already know these guys. So now I'm not going, wait, how does this guy fit on this team or whatever else? So this is the, the combine is what I look at as the kickoff of the 2024 NFL season.


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[Assistant] It is officially started and that's kind of where everybody just starts back at ground zero, wiped the slate clean. Hey, congratulations on last year, but nobody actually cares anymore. It's a new league year. Let's get going. Right. And that's where we are. And I feel like that's what last week was. Uh, it is the kickoff and it was great. And.


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[Assistant] Kickoff, great, cool. We got a cool draft I think here too. The quarterback conversation I think is very real this year and there's a lot of different


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[Assistant] Arguments to be had and, you know, figuring that out.


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[Assistant] Let alone, you know, I think we got some stars at some other big positions that are worth like noteworthy, right? Of like talking for TV made for this. Pass rushers, you know.


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[Assistant] DBs seem like it's pretty good. Wide receivers, deep as hell as usual, right? Offensive linemen are nowhere to be found as far as like high end talented ones.


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[Assistant] In a lot of years, this year, it looks like we have a first round where it sounds like six, maybe eight first, like first round, O Lyman can be drafted, right? So I think it's going to give us a lot of, uh,


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[Assistant] Good talking points, let alone we're not even in free agency, which that's starting next week. So, we're not gonna be dull, uh, by any stretch of the imagination, but I had just to button that up.


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[Assistant] My favorite combine of all time. This was your favorite? My favorite combine. You've been to how many now? I guess, I mean, as a, as I'm working this way, I guess this is like seven?


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[Assistant] But then, you know, I mean, I, of course, participated in one. You hated that. I worked with the Patriots and two other ones.


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[Assistant] Went to another one hoping to get a job from somebody in the NFL. So I guess I've been there 10 or 11 times. But in this capacity? In this capacity, I think we're at seven years. Uh, maybe six. And why was this the best? I don't, because of the players, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I said this a few times on PFT during the week, right? But usually, if we go to the combine, and let's just say on a Wednesday we interview 10 guys, right? Out of the 10 on a usual basis, I would tell you,


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[Assistant] Usually two are only good, good interviews, right? The other eight, not that they're bad, but they're not great interviews because they're scared shitless of doing something wrong, right? They got their college coach in their ear.


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[Assistant] Telling them, hey, don't mess yourself up for this draft process.


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[Assistant] Keep it quick and simple and be humble, right? They got the agent in their ear saying, hey, make the, make the answers just quick and short. Don't, don't talk yourself into trouble. Don't do anything that can get headlines or be brought back to you as a negative, right? So therefore then you get, hey, how's this process? It's been great, sir, right? Hey, what are you trying to work on? Everything, sir.


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[Assistant] And look, okay, those are nice answers and that's pleasant. I get that.


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[Assistant] But you know that's not what we want, right? We got guys this year that joked around, gave in-depth answers, and wanted to show their personalities. And to me, that was the coolest thing this year. I don't ever remember the personalities being the way they were. And I'm into personality, right? There's things you can glean. You think it matters.


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[Assistant] More times than not, superstars got personality, right? If you go through, who's the best defensive player in football right now? Michael Parsons, right? Got that kind of guy. T.J. Watt, he's on commercial. Miles Garrah. Personality. They got personality, right? You get in the corners.


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[Assistant] Tyree Kill, AJ Brown, those type of guys, right? Lawrence Taylor, what did he have? Personality. I just saw Aaron Donald on vacation, you know what he's got? Personality. Which is, yea, which is- Stars more times than not have that


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[Assistant] That way, right? That's why there are stars. Oh wait, the game's on, the camera's on, the lights are on. I like this. This is where I thrive, right? You know, so that's where there is something, let alone the look test does hold some water too.


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[Assistant] Right? And that's where it was cool, but I think with all that encompassing, uh, it was, it was a great year.


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[Assistant] I'm being in the body type, right? I said this to Mike last week, I'm not always perfect, right? I'm not saying I can, so, but here's the one area I feel like I've always been pretty strong on, right?


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[Assistant] I've had guys there that look the part and I go, ooh, watch out for him, he looks the part. Then you turn on the film and you go, eh, that's not really it, right? Alright, so there's a few of that. But where I can tell more times than not is the guy that I know, wait, he's getting a lot of hype, he's really good, and then they come on stage and I go,


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[Assistant] Man, like, wow, I've been around defense ends my whole life. Like, I've never seen one that's successful that looks like that, right? I was with Simeon Rice, right? You know, I saw Lawrence Taylor, right? I mean, I was around those type of guys, right? So there's, there is something to be said and not that it's foolproof.


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[Assistant] I definitely have been more right along this aspect of like, Hey, this guy's a top guy or blah, blah, blah. And I see the body and I go.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's gonna work. That, that body type, I've never really seen that type of body be successful at the next level, right? So those are things I certainly can, can look at and glean from the in person thing, right? And I feel like that's one where in years past,


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[Assistant] And things like that. Maybe sometimes it has influenced my rankings, right? Where I look at the rankings, I watch the film, I do it.


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[Assistant] Right? And then I also in my mind go, oh wait, I don't know if I want to make this guy three, four, or five, right? And then that's where it will go to my head a little bit and go, you know, I saw this guy at the combine and I didn't like his body. And the other guy was a great God and I would


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[Assistant] You know, most defense ends would pay money to have that body, right? It's close. I'm gonna go with the guy with the body I trust, cause that's the formula I trust. That's the one I see succeed. The other guy, I'd rather go down with that one cause I gotta see it to believe it, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] So that's where there is definitely something to kind of look into that stuff when you meet them in person. That's the value of the combine for the teams as well. Sure. And do you ever make them uncomfortable?


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[Assistant] I can do it pretty quickly. Very quickly, right? You know me, I'm a professional looker of people's bodies, right? Like when they're walking off the stage.


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[Assistant] I get it before they even come on the stage. I'm usually sitting there doing the interview, right, with somebody else, and I can see them in the background, and I see their body, and then when they're like, hey, I'm like, hey, come up on the stage, and as they're walking up on the stage, I'm already looking at them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there, I mean, there was a lot. And to the question here, like, that's what I was kinda just saying. There wasn't as many personality-wise negative, right, that I saw. Where I was like, ooh.


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[Assistant] That's where it was a special combine. I mean, I'm not even, I'm not bullshitting here just to talk on the podcast or anything. Like I'm telling you, I texted my mom, my aunt Wendy, like all these people were like, how is it? I was like, I don't ever remember a year where the kids were this good, right? I call them kids now cause I'm 43. And they're calling me sir, so I'm allowed to call them kids, right?


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[Assistant] Alright, so. To us. You know, it was one of those years where I feel like it was as great as ever. Caleb Williams, of course, is a superstar. Alright, so, so Caleb.


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[Assistant] I mean, any of those questions, right? And listen, I was bothered by, wait, why didn't he talk after this game? Why aren't they making him answer questions, right? I was one to go, this is part of the preparation for the quarterback.


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[Assistant] You're the quarterback at USC. This is what you have to do if you're the quarterback of the Chicago Bears. Hey, Caleb, why'd you lose today? Why didn't you play good? Those are part of the things you like to see, right? Well, I can tell you this. After this weekend, like, nobody's gonna have those questions. They're gonna be squashed.


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[Assistant] Caleb's one of those guys that walks into the room and you go, oh damn, Caleb Williams here. He can control the room. He's just, it's easy for him to be natural. It's, it's, it's natural for him to be nice and forthcoming as a person, right? And engaging. He's got charisma, let alone like he's a gym rat.


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[Assistant] He's a gym rat. I could tell that right away, right? Like you've, uh, you heard me ask quarterbacks sometimes, hey, how do you grip the ball, blah, blah, blah, all that. He was all over that type of stuff, right? He was all over mechanics. He's, so I could tell this is a guy that's fully in.


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[Assistant] He understands not only the business, but the little intricacies of the sport. He realizes even though he's damn good, he still has to stay on top of his game and continue to tinker and get better. He's curious about that. He is. He's curious about it. Let alone, yes, he's got that


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[Assistant] Whatever you want to call it, it factor, magic factor, where you just go, wait, when this guy's on a stage or whatever, guys are going to gravitate towards him because he's just a natural, cool, God given leader, right? So he would be like, if we were just going to start at the top, he would be the first one, quarterbacks, right?


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[Assistant] Star type personality. Our whole crew loved him. Morgan's raving about him. He's handsome.


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[Assistant] He's got a million dollar smile, right? He's got a little style and swag to him, right?


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[Assistant] And then he's again, another guy who's willing to show his personality and open up.


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[Assistant] And of course can do it in a respectful way to where any organizations gonna talk to him and go, man, this guy's got it. He wanted to compete at the combine, do all that stuff, show what he has, right? Cause he knows he's the number two or three receiver in the thing. He still wants to be one, right?


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[Assistant] But again, you know, the smile, the player, the size of the player, all of that, you meet him, you go, that's one of the safer picks in the draft. And again, I haven't studied receiver yet, but I've seen enough of Michael Pettix to watch him and go, he's one of the safer picks in the draft, right? And we'll hit on him and his workout and all that too, uh, as we go along. He was great. Defensa ends. Okay. That was a pretty cool group right there.


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[Assistant] Dallas Turner and Jared Verge definitely have superstar, take over the game late personalities. Definitely the type of guys that you like that way. Uh, Lattu Lattu, right? I'm gonna mess up his name and I'm sorry. Lattu Lattu, Lattu Lattu.


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[Assistant] I had a, had special personalities where I'd go, you know, again, these are guys that


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[Assistant] I've been around pass rushers and good outside linebacker types my whole life, and they had the type of attitude where, you know, again, what's it take to be that type of guy? You gotta be disciplined, work hard, right, obsessive, freak athlete,


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[Assistant] Damn, I didn't get to the quarterback. Damn, I didn't get to the quarterback. Damn, I didn't get to the quarterback. I'm still the man though. I'm gonna get to the quarterback, right? It's a little bit like a DB, right? So that's where they gotta have that. You know, I've been shut out all game, but there's three minutes left in the fourth quarter. This is where I come out. I don't care what anybody says. I'm gonna show up right now, right? So they, they were special that way.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean by that superstar personality. Thank you for expanding on that, because I probably didn't explain that the right way. It's not just them, it's also the effect on their teammates. It's exactly right, right? You know, yeaah, like, when I was in a locker room, or my dad, I'll tell you, when he was in a locker room, and Lawrence Taylor was in the locker room, right? The locker room had a little extra energy.


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[Assistant] Cause he was saying crazy stuff and calling people out for dumb shit. Right? Or whatever. That's where the superstar personality in the locker room has an effect on the football team. Definitely. Right?


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[Assistant] You know, Warren Sapp. Maybe not everybody loved it in the locker room, but the personality was, ooh, when Warren's in the locker room, there's a little extra juice in here.


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[Assistant] You know, one, you better watch what you say or do, cause he'll call your ass out. Two, he's gonna throw some things out there that, you know, the whole locker room's gonna kinda laugh or giggle or go, he's crazy, but it's gonna add the energy of the locker room all together. That type of effect, right? That's a real thing.


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[Assistant] I've been with Brandon Marshall on a day where, you know, again, he's the man and he's cool, right? And Brandon used to fight through some things with some of his personality disorders. You know, three, four days in a row, he'd be the man and charismatic and you go, damn, he'll, he's, he couldn't be a cooler person.


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[Assistant] But that day he'd come in where he might have been a little more negative or going through some shit that day in his brain, the locker room was different. It was more quiet.


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[Assistant] Right, and that's what that guy can have. That's where, like, the Byron Murphy of Texas, like, you know, again, I didn't get to meet all these guys at all these positions, so it's nothing negative against people I didn't bring up, right? Like, the only two D-tackles we really met were Chris Jenkins and Byron Murphy. Texas, Michigan, both had that, uhm, both. Like, special ways about them.


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[Assistant] No, definitely, and he's just personality and he's got a million dollar smile again, right? You know, he's one of those where, like my Aunt Wendy, as soon as he gets off, she's like, that Chris Jenkins is so cute, he's so, right? So he's got that, right? It doesn't matter who it is, like you just go, damn, he's got it, right?


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[Assistant] Some of the DBs, I didn't get to meet Quinian Mitchell. Mitchell, he killed it in the combine, right?


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[Assistant] But we also had dudes like Nate Wiggins. Nate Wiggins, right? Clemson Corner, Island Corner. I've seen a little bit of them on film. I like them, right? When I met them, I was like, oh, I like you cause I know you're just like, I got that guy, right? You know, that's my kind of corner, right? Then he had the, what are you going to run tomorrow?


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[Assistant] 428. I went, whoa, you're going to put yourself out there. He goes, yeah, I'm going to run 428. And you know what I mean? And I'm like, that's a corner. That's a shutdown corner. Right? He's going to put himself out there because, oh, the lights are on. I don't care. I'm ready to go. I know what I am. I'm the man. Right? So I look at stuff like that. Terry on Arnold from Alabama had a similar personality.


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[Assistant] If you could all wake up, if we could all wake up in the morning with Terryon Arnold's attitude and the way he goes and the pizzazias for life, damn, we'd all be better people, certainly. So those are probably the ones that jumped out to me the most, right? And you always want to be careful, obviously, right? Because you don't want to fall in love with a person, right? You want to fall in love with a person and the tape. No, no, no.


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[Assistant] More times than not, the great players do have great attitudes and a great way about them and an ability to lead that rubs off on other people. That's natural that you feel it right away, right?


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[Assistant] You know, I think the guys we've talked about a little bit all have that type of magic.


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[Assistant] Oh, you know what, you know what, I'll tell you, this is like, uh, Jeremiah Charter Jr., right? Yes. You know, great young man, great young man. Yep.


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[Assistant] You know, he kinda approached it more like a business, like, I'm gonna do this, I'm just gonna say this, and I'm gonna leave it at that, right? And I can be one to tell you that I fell in that trap, right? I grew up around it. This is, if I had a thing I could take back from the combine,


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[Assistant] I wish I was more myself, a little bit more of a cocky asshole like I am with a big mouth, right? I'm not really cocky like that, but I, you know, talk and


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[Assistant] And you know, when I did play, I had great confidence in myself that way. I was so like, ooh, I grew up around this guy. I've known him since I was 12, right? Ooh, I know he knows my dad. That I felt like I was probably a little too humble.


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[Assistant] And some of my interviews with teams and coaches, right? They didn't really get to see me where when they asked me like, what are you going to, you know, how do you, what do you look at yourself? I should have been like, I got the strongest arm in the draft, right? How about that? Nobody can throw the ball like me. Nobody, right? You know, I wish I would have said stuff like that. And because I was afraid of.


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[Assistant] He, he, he, it seems like it, I know I've heard him a little bit during the season, he seems like it, you know, but sometimes that's what happens when you grow up in the football household. You know, you just talk about respect, be humble, do that all the time, that you actually can maybe even be that a little too much. His dad's definitely


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[Assistant] Really, I've given away my one and my two. That's, there's no way. That's not changing. There's nothing, I've seen enough to know. It's Caleb Williams and then it's Jaden Daniels. Then we can, that's gonna be the fun part on Wednesday, is doing the next three to four.


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[Assistant] And confidence and confidence in yourself.


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[Assistant] You know, if it's too much, I don't even need to work. I'm the man, right? And it's like, no, no, you don't. There's like four guys in the history of football that didn't need to work and got away with it. Relax. Like, you know, you're not Lawrence Taylor, right? It's like that kind of guy, right? And those are few and far between. So no, I totally agree with this, right? You know, it's not cocky. It's a.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, humble cockiness, if that makes sense, or great self-confidence in thyself, that I can overcome anything, I can do anything, I believe in my abilities, but it's not like...


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[Assistant] I've been around the cocky guys. I'm not like, Hey, what's up, man? I'm the man. Right. And like not even give you the time of day. Won't even look you in the eye. Right. Like there's been like that. Like here's a, here's a, here's a difference between cockiness and confidence. Right. Here's a great story.


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[Assistant] You remember Caden McCown coming out of UCLA, right?


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[Assistant] Lefty, pretty, I mean, good college football player, got drafted by the Bears, right? I was at, I won...


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[Assistant] The quarterback of the, you know, the number one quarterback in the country in high school, right? The quarterback club...


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[Assistant] The National Quarterback Foundation had like an awards banquet where they awarded the top college quarterback, the top high school quarterback and the top NFL quarterback. The year I won it was in 1998. It was Randall Cunningham and John Elway.


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[Assistant] Right? Because the Broncos won the Super Bowl. Randall Cunningham on the Vikings, they went 15-1 and lost in the NFC Championship game. They actually tied, so they both won it.


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[Assistant] And of course I'm a college fan, and you know, McCown's a lefty like me, so yeaah, I got to meet him, he was great, blah blah blah. But here's my story, and, and, and, Cade, I don't know, he might not like this, but this is what happened. Here's Cocky. We have to sign autographs in the back room. Cade McCown is on the cell phone.


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[Assistant] And John Elway and Randall Cunningham come through, right? They're coming in the room now. And we're all meeting each other and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, of course I'm like, hi, hi, Mr. Elway, who I already met like 15 times in my life, but I'm still like, hi, Mr. Elway, hi, Mr. Cunningham, blah, blah, blah. Kayden McCown in his black leather jacket, right?


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[Assistant] He stays on the phone and just sticks his hand out and gives him a little nod.


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[Assistant] Just John Elway, he just won the Super Bowl twice in a row, right? He kinda just is on the phone, he's like


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[Assistant] Mahomes, Burrow, Josh Allen, right? John Elway, Dan Marino. Yeaah, there's some cockiness, but not disrespectful cockiness. Again, it goes more into the confidence of who I am as a person, as a player. But they don't mistreat people, right?


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[Assistant] So, that to our point here with I, uh, at Chi City 4L. You're exactly right. This is not narcissism. This is a guy who's a gym rat. I can see that. He loves it. He's gonna work hard at it. He has great self-confidence and, uh,


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[Assistant] I was one that sat here, right, and said, hey, if I'm the Bears, Justin Fields has shown progress. You don't blow that up. This is really, you know, not, not something you just give up on, right?


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[Assistant] But I sit here today and go, after watching Caleb Williams, I totally understand it. Caleb Williams is special. The Bears are taking him at number one. Right? Ryan Poles came from Kansas City.


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[Assistant] He's not going to go downswinging or lose his job with a guy that he didn't draft. Let alone he saw a guy in Mahomes at Kansas City where he's going, wait, this guy might be the closest thing we've seen to Mahomes since Mahomes, right?


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[Assistant] There's no way he's going to Chicago. That's going to happen. And after breaking down Caleb Williams and already stating that he's clearly number one, right? I can understand it because this is a, this is a special football player in Chicago. I think he's got their first big time franchise quarterback for sure that they've had maybe in, I don't know, forever or a long, long time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he's special. We'll hit on him Wednesday. We'll get to you, Brian Neal, but he is special, right? And I can just tell you that he's different than the last two times you drafted a quarterback, but I'm gonna leave it right there, okay?


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[Assistant] Listen, Pennex was great. That whole weekend, if you wanna talk about, again, Caleb's gonna squash all the rumors, right, about, oh, he didn't talk to the media, is he a little stuck up, all that type of stuff.


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[Assistant] Every team that met him, I guarantee within the first 50 seconds, they were like, oh, he's, he's awesome. All this shit's bullshit, right? Whatever. I don't know why the coach didn't let him talk after the game. You know, it's actually the coaching decision hurt Caleb Williams stock or at least his perception a little bit.


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[Assistant] It's hard though. It's hard. Like it's hard sometimes when you're the solidified one, number one guy, and then you're going, all they're gonna do is look for something to make me not the number one guy, right? And you look at these jerks, exactly, and it happens, you're like, I don't want that to happen to me.


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[Assistant] Definitely, I told the story to Florio today, right? There was always, there was a question about my dad and he had a winged scapula, right? All because of a Jets doctor, the New York Jets, only doctor that touched him that felt this way, but it became a thing.


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[Assistant] Right? So even to where you got drafted by the Giants, they would always check on it, because they'd go, oh, the Jets, uh, so it'll be, you know, you never played for other teams and didn't have to deal with it anymore, but.


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[Assistant] That's how easily it can become a thing. And I understand Caleb Williams is going to do this. He's going to let the doctor see him, the teams he thinks he's going to go to. He's not going to let have everybody in the, in the league push him and go, Oh, I think his right pinky toe might be deficient. Like, and then that become a thing.


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[Assistant] Right? So, I do get that. And that's a business and that's part of the game. But, you know, back to our Jimmy Dean. Hey, no, you're totally good. Panics, I think.


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[Assistant] You know, one, people are gonna meet him and go, damn, he's a great kid, like I met him at the Super Bowl, he's awesome. Two, they're gonna go, damn, he's smart, knows football, knows how to...


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[Assistant] Like, talk defense, X's and O's, do all that. Let alone, if anybody watched that the other day, he just, he's made to throw the football. It's just natural for him. To your point a little bit, he's just like, hey, I throw the football, this is what I do. And he just comes out and starts throwing spirals and lasers around the field, right?


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[Assistant] So, I thought he definitely helped himself because he just showed how easy and natural for him it is. Like he just...


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[Assistant] What, quarterback, coach, whatever, blah, blah, blah. The dude can just throw it. And he understands how to do that, and he understands how to play quarterback. Uh, so I do think he helped himself out a lot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, you're right, it is. It's, it's, it's one that you put stock into, but I don't maybe put as much stock into it as maybe, I don't know, the rest of the media or people make it out to be at times, right?


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[Assistant] Here's my thing, like, yes, with the younger guys, you do have to take into account is, hey, they're going to get more mature. Their body is going to thicken out. They're still young, right? There was a difference between my body at 20 as compared to 24, right?


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[Assistant] Twenty, I was still like, oh my gosh, like if I, you know, if I didn't eat a ton or whatever, my body and my metabolism were burning so fast that, you know, I could lose weight, right? Twenty-four,


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[Assistant] Right? I had a bad weekend of eating, I was like, oh shit, I'm 237, right? Like, and I should be 228, right? So you do change that way, let alone I definitely was a hair more mature mentally at 24 compared to 20.


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[Assistant] Twenty, I might have jumped off a four-story building. Twenty-four, I was like, damn, I remember that. It hurt me. I don't want to do that. Three stories. Max. Max. Into a pool. Right? So, I think you have to take that into account. But then, I also


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[Assistant] Again, I'm not gonna dock the older guys a ton, right? I understand they have like a different mindset and they are a little bit more physically and mentally mature, but I'm still going about what I see on the football field.


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[Assistant] Right? So, you know, that's the big thing. And there's plenty of years where I go, oh, this guy's older, this guy's younger, but this guy plays like the older player and plays mature football, even though this guy's older. So it doesn't always mean something, right?


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[Assistant] McCarthy's young, McCarthy plays a very mature brand of football.


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[Assistant] And what he learned up in Michigan under hardball and the way he played. And like I was telling you before the show, they're not always easy to play quarterback the way McCarthy played. Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, run the ball. Hey, it's third and 12. Can you throw a strike for us now? Oh yeah, no, no, no problem coach. Thanks for not letting me throw a ball the last half hour, but I'll throw a strike here in a big moment. No problem.


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[Assistant] Right? That's not always easy. So, you know, there definitely is a little bit of balancing. It goes into the thought process, but it's not going to be like, well,


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[Assistant] You know, this guy's film was the second best, but I'm going to knock him down and make him number four because he's three years older. I'm not doing that. That's not what I do.


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[Assistant] And we're all talking about a four year rental anyways, unless they prove themselves to be worthy of renting for more, right? So, well, that's the other thing too, is just like,


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[Assistant] What, like sometimes when they're like, well, he's 20, he has 16 years left in him. I've got like, you're, you're sure he's playing for you for 16 years? How about we just go with the guy we know is going to be the best in four or five years or over the next four or five years and then we'll reassess then.


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[Assistant] It does help him, of course, right? It just justifies that he was definitely, I mean, we all thought all year.


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[Assistant] He was one of the most explosive players in college football. I knew going in this weekend, a lot of people were going, you know, he could run 4-2, right? And I kept going, okay, yeaah. You know, but when you get into this category, it goes into a different stratosphere here.


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[Assistant] Now, hey, Rick Wolin on there, 426. He didn't have his best year last year, but damn, you know, we know he's been pretty good. Yep. Henry Ruggs, I know, unfortunately, had, you know, an altering car accident, life altering car accident.


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[Assistant] Seems like he was, you know, gonna be a pretty damn good player. I played with CJ 2K, he was a baller. Yea, John Ross didn't work. DJ Turner is going to work for the Cincinnati Bengals, I promise you that. Our number 2 corner last year from the draft, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, recent history, it hasn't worked as well. I will say, like, let me just say this. Like, Joey Galloway ran 4-1.


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[Assistant] It wasn't laser, right? So it's not a part of this, but he was pretty good. Willie Galt was on the four by 100, you know, Olympic gold medal team in 1984 Olympics, I believe. He was pretty damn good, right? You know, Dion Sanders ran four one something, kind of good. Daryl Green led his combine year and all that as fast as could be, pretty good.


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[Assistant] Bo Jackson also would have led his the year he came out. So I know we've kind of on a run here for whatever reason of the really ultra fast guy has not been a good player in a while. I guess since the CJ2K. 165. So he's pretty thin.


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[Assistant] Very thin. He's gonna be, you know, I saw, what'd he say, like one of his idols was Deshaun Jackson, right? Deshaun Jackson...


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[Assistant] You know, maybe similar to the guy Jalen Hyatt last year from Tennessee who the Giants took.


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[Assistant] Right, as far as just a speed guy. Yea, you're not gonna, he's not gonna run over the middle on third and sixth and be like, let me jam a ball into him in between Fred Warner and Drake Greenlaw, right? That's not what he's gonna be. You know, he's gonna be more of the, yes, take the top off the defense, deep threat, reverses, stuff like that.


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[Assistant] And that's where he is, but, you know, that was a special, special moment. I was watching it live. It was, it was a wow moment. It really was, cause that's the number one thing we all want to see every


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[Assistant] What? Definitely, definitely. I mean, so again, you know.


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[Assistant] Do I know if he plays up to his 4-2-1 speed, right, and Xavier worthy yet? I'm not sure. Again, you know, give me a few weeks here when we get into the receiver rankings, I'll tell you that. I know it's not far off from that.


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[Assistant] Has always been real, right? This is just different stratosphere of real and was very, very cool to see.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, it's an interesting conversation. Listen, in both worlds, you'd like both to be pretty damn good, right? Right? I mean, I guess I'd rather have the crazy 40 time, right? But I don't want to sacrifice, oh, okay, I'd rather have the crazy 40 time to where the 10 becomes so underwhelming, you're like, wait, that's not gonna work, right?


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[Assistant] So, almost impossible to do that, right? It usually is impossible. Exactly right. For the most part.


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[Assistant] The point being from lip smack on good is, you know, it is important.


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[Assistant] Would have a great 10 yard split. You can get off the line of scrimmage, you can catch the ball, you can accelerate, right? But where that becomes, the rest of it becomes a negative, and now we only run a 10 yard split that's probably elite, but then the 40s kind of just like, it's good, right?


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[Assistant] Okay, well, that's why, you know, you like both, because we just saw in the Super Bowl, yeaah, you might get off the line of scrimmage, but damn, he couldn't get open the whole game. Nobody can, he couldn't get open against Kansas City. Cause those guys were like, well, Jerry's theme was like, I'm two tenths faster than you. I'm not.


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[Assistant] I don't even have to run full speed and I'm running your speed, right? I can run 90% and be like, I'm still there with you. So now I'm under control. And then when you make a break, right, I'm under control. I'm not even going full speed. So now I don't even have to turn the brakes on that hard. I can just go, instead of being like, right, I'm going full speed. I'm like not even going full speed. So now I can stop and turn and go with you, right?


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's where, of course you'd like both, uh, but that would be a good example of a guy that doesn't have a great 40 time, right, good one, but probably had a really good 10 yard split.


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[Assistant] And, you know, that's where, you know, sometimes the rubber can meet the road there because yea, we're not seeing Debo Sandman just run by people and catch 60 yard bombs because he doesn't have that kind of long speed.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. Exactly right. Or you got the ball in your hand and you get tackled to the two yard line. Now we don't get in the end zone because they made a goal line stand. And the other guy's in the end zone. Right?


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[Assistant] And it's going, it's a touchdown, we're already on, they're having a Gatorade on the side. The other one's going, oh shit, I got tackled a two, now it's second.


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[Assistant] Second down, oh shit, it was third down, we didn't punch it in, and we didn't score a touchdown, we had to settle for a field goal, whatever, you know what I mean? So yea, there is a difference, there's no doubt about that. Let alone, I think it goes into the play of like what we're talking about, that guy who does like you're talking about runs 4-2, and he's covering the guy that runs 4-5, right? He doesn't have to run.


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[Assistant] Full speed to cover that guy. And now therefore his body is way more under control and he's ready to make side to side movements and do all that. So, uh, it does matter. Now, right? Where...


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[Assistant] He was 214 pounds or something like that, right? He ran 445 or 446, whatever. I think I'm in the general range there.


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[Assistant] The person's elite, okay, right? And now you go into, you start to look into the context of the workout, right? And I go, ooh, 1-5-2 split, that's a special split. So here's a guy that's going to be able to get off the line of scrimmage and accelerate. Ooh, 6-8-8 cone drill.


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[Assistant] For somebody that size is incredible. That tells you he's got hips, he can jam his foot in the ground and cut and change directions. So he's gonna be able to run routes, right? So he's big, right? He's got


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[Assistant] Good speed, I know it's not great speed, but he's got good accelerate, great acceleration and explosion, 39 inch vertical, and then has the ability to change directions and have loose hips is what the three cone drill and the 20 yard shuttle show you. That to me was an elite workout, right? I didn't expect him to run 4-3 or 4-2-2, but he's got


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[Assistant] Devonte Adams-ish type qualities, except I think he's more explosive than Devonte Adams was coming out. So, that's, that, that, he had, he had a killer day. So, I'm excited for him, and that's where, again, you know, hey, the 10-yard split was more impressive than the 40-yard dash, right?


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[Assistant] The other guys we gotta hit on, and this to me is the guy that's totally, I mean this is where I'm really excited for receiver talk.


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[Assistant] The guy who came second in the 40 on the ride receiver group.


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[Assistant] 6'3, 209. He's 44 pounds heavier than Xavier Worthy, right? Listen, again, I haven't done receivers, but that shit's impressive those times for that size and weight, right, to run that.


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[Assistant] Just watching Jade and Daniels? Man.


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[Assistant] This kid caught my eye a lot. I mean, a lot.


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[Assistant] I mean, I kept looking at this kid and, you know, this is probably going to cause people to plagiarize my rankings already or whatever, but just to go off the quick look of watching Jayden


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[Assistant] Jayden Daniels, like, are we sure this guy isn't in the class with Marvin Harrison Jr. and Dunes and Dunes and neighbors? Are we sure about that? Cause I mean, I'm watching this guy and I'm going, am I watching AJ Brown or am I watching Brian Thomas Jr.? That's what I kept saying.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's what it looked like to me. So, he killed it. He got, he got kinda screwed over by Xavier Worthy. Like, if it's not Xavier Worthy breaking the record, I think if Xavier Worthy runs 4-2-3,


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[Assistant] We're talking about Brian Thomas Jr. today, as the guy that stole the show. At that size and all that, but since he broke the record, that changed it. So, he certainly popped, and then, you know, like you talked about, Xavier, uh, Leggett, I think that's how you say it.


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[Assistant] That's another one that was kind of eye-popping. First off, I mean, he's built, like,


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[Assistant] An Adonis, right? 6'1", 2'21". Right. I mean, it's thick. That's like a, that's like a power running back. Look at his, I mean, you see his neck and his body, but then to run 4'3", 9"?


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[Assistant] Right? With a 1-5-4 split, to have that type of body and thickness and all that, wow. I mean, how could I not be impressed by him? I thought he was another guy that certainly just looked the part, right? Let alone have the explosive ability to do that. Love the Florida quarter, the Florida receiver, Ricky Pearsall, right? I thought he looked, he was impressive.


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[Assistant] I think Roman Wilson from Michigan is going to surprise people when it's all said and done. I was surprised at the speed of the Michigan receivers because they had Roman Wilson. And the kid from Greenwich, Connecticut here, number 6, Cornelius Johnson.


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[Assistant] I think they are. I think to your point, I think you're saying it right. I don't think their offense necessarily set them up to show it off all the time, right? To where...


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[Assistant] That's kind of what they are, which it hurts them in the big picture thing, but, you know, him...


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[Assistant] And then, you know, even a guy like Lad McConkey running 439, you know, of course that was going to be questioned there. Just like, wait, he's, you know, white guy receiver, can he really run like that? You know, him and Ricky Pearsall, they ended that conversation right away and showed that they're, they're made to play slot receiver in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Where I think it'll be different than running backs, is I don't, if you made me guess, I don't think the top end guys will be devalued. You know what I mean? There's gonna be like, wait, Justin Jefferson,


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[Assistant] Receivers grow on tree, but Justin Jefferson doesn't. Yea, right? You know, Tyree Kill doesn't.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, that group right there, Jamar Chase does not grow on a tree. Like, that's where those would be the ones, right, where we see all Tennessee make a mistake and go, no, no, no, you should have paid A.J. Brown and not draft a trail on Bert. You made a mistake. You had one of the unicorn receivers. You don't let that go, right?


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[Assistant] So where I can see that, but then it's the other ones that I think is gonna fall. Like, ooh, he's a really good number two.


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[Assistant] Alright, but we could find a number two and a number three in the draft, for sure, right? And I think that's where it's gonna get valued. Or devalued, I guess. We'll see. Just a theory I have. I haven't thought about it a ton. I think a lot of teams will think that this year.


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[Assistant] That's where I asked Pete and you to go, like, let's talk about them a little bit. I didn't watch the full workout video, Lyman.


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[Assistant] You know, in a lot of ways I, you know, it was Sunday, I was there all week, I'm sorry, but this is where I, this is where I wanted to come with, I was watching the start, right? So I saw these guys, one, right? And this is where,


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[Assistant] The look test a little bit, but so I saw them and I went, I went, I went, god damn okay! I went, holy shit, like every one of these guys looks the part, right?


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[Assistant] So then, you know, as we're sitting there watching the combine, they start to put up like, Oh, he's six, eight, so I'm going, Oh damn. So every one measured into like franchise left tackle mold, like billing.


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[Assistant] So then I, you know, I go to NFL.com and I pull up, you know, hey, the page that lands Zurnaline does such a great job of kind of laying things out there because it has all the official measurements. And the reason I wanted to talk about it, one, I've been told about how talented the group is and that this could be a year six to eight offensive lineman in the first round. But two, you know,


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[Assistant] One like, okay, woah, they're all 6'4", woah, they're all 6'5", they're all 6'6", woah.


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[Assistant] There's no 295 pound guy. They're all like 320 plus, which you know me. I'm kind of a believer in a tackle. I've kind of gotten done with that. Oh, he's athletic and you can do this. Like I want a fucking.


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[Assistant] Over 35 inch arms, right? Arm length is a huge thing for tackles in football. It's huge.


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[Assistant] So, that, uh, okay, woah, okay, that was a good one. Alright, let me look at, you know, uh, OUYO.


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[Assistant] So I'm going, damn, there's another one. He fits the mold. Okay, Joe Walt, I mean, he's a Notre Dame guy, of course he does, but is he one of these tall guys that doesn't have long arms? Whoa, 34 and a quarter, 6'9", 3'21". Holy shit, another one, right?


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[Assistant] It just kind of kept going down the list. Our guy, Troy Fatano, right? From uh, Washington.


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[Assistant] You know, I watched him early in the year when I did the Washington game. Awesome left tackle. There was talk of, ooh, maybe he's a better guard. I don't know. At 6'4", 3'17", with 34 and a half inch arms now, he'll be looked at a little differently to go, wait, not only did he never give up any sacks or nobody gets there, he's actually got the NFL build to be that and the footwork.


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[Assistant] So, you know, overall, and again, I haven't watched these guys on film at all yet.


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[Assistant] There's something to be gleaned about, you know, one, okay, is the film good? But two, now does the size of the body and the human translate to that position in the NFL, right? We've seen guys that tackle in college football and they go, he's pretty good at tackle. But, you know, you start to go, well,


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[Assistant] You know, he's a little undersized, his arms aren't long enough, right? As much as I say, hey, it's good attack, like, it's not gonna work in the NFL. I've been around the NFL to know that that body mold, that short arm guy, it just won't work.


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[Assistant] The first time he has to face a Daniel Hunter. What's the big deal about the arm? Like why, why does that matter? It stops the demons alignment from getting into your body. That's the first thing, right? Like Michael Parsons wants to be able to full speed.


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[Assistant] Put his head in your chest, cause once he does that, he knows, I got you, I'm powerful, I hit you now, with a lot of exertion and force, and now you're gonna move back.


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[Assistant] But if you got long arms, and you could stop him before he gets there, and now you don't allow his arms to get on your body to pull you around, right? You got the advantage.


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[Assistant] Right? Like a really good, Lane Johnson so many times is just, rrrr, and he's got a guy like, just like this. And then you're like, the guy looks like, you know, how you would have like your four year old kid when you hold the top of his head and he's trying to, he can't hit you still. Right? That's what a really good left tackle does. And all of a sudden like, Nick Bosa and Michael Parsons are like,


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[Assistant] Get off me, I can't get free, right? So that's where the long arm is. And here's the other thing.


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[Assistant] Going around the edge like Micah Parsons, right? I got the edge. I got the edge. Ooh, I'm about to go around, right? I got the guy beat with my body and his body. I got him, right? But then it's like,


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[Assistant] Oh, well, Orlando Brown's got nine foot long arms. I thought I was around him and then he got his damn arm out on me and pushed me and he pushed me by the quarterback. So I beat him, but I didn't get the sack and he pushed me by because that extra arm length helped them push me by. And even though I had him beat, it didn't happen. And that's really.


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[Assistant] That's where it's really valuable for tackles, right? And then again, the Tyler Guyton kid from, uh, Oklahoma had it. So that's where I'm excited. And I think that's where the draft community, certainly like there's six or eight guys, not only it must be the film must be good, but we're seeing,


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[Assistant] Those are the guys that I tell you, even me, who's 6'5", 235 or whatever, you don't even want to play with those guys. Like, those are the guys like in the locker room every now and then, you like push or mess around with a little bit, and then they push you back or they hit you once and you're like, ugh.


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[Assistant] I'm never going to play with you again, right? Like I'm never going to mess with you ever. Like that's it. Uh, that's those kind of people. I know Connor had a great week. Connor was great with the old lineman. You just need to see Connor next to Tavondre Sweat from Texas, right? Cause Tavondre not as tall, but so thick at 360 pounds. That was a funny picture as well. Yeah. Connor got a lot of interviews too.


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[Assistant] Give it to him, Ahmed. One butt cheap. And this is why you're the big butt expert of the world right now.


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[Assistant] Right, but where it'll, where it'll hurt him a little bit is maybe some of the teams that play two gap defensive tackle, right? The guy that goes like,


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[Assistant] Hey, I'm just gonna stand you up and then I'm responsible for the gap either way. Teams that play those types of defenses aren't gonna love him, right? Because of the same thing we just talked about, you know, with offensive tackles, it's very important for those types of guys to be able to lock their arms out and kind of control people that way, right?


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[Assistant] For that, he'll probably be more on a 4-3 scheme because of that, unless he shows just incredible strength on film and all of a sudden it's like, well, his arms are short, but he tosses everybody around, it doesn't matter. He's able to get in there with his power. He's so strong, we can overlook


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[Assistant] You know, the arms being an inch or two shorter than you'd like them to be prototypically, right? But to your point,


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[Assistant] Exactly right. So he, I'm definitely, and for this, he was the first, he was the first wow of the whole combine. Let's just give him that too. I mean, that was what, Thursday night, right? Yeah. Thursday night, he was the first guy, everyone was like, ooh, whoa, did you see the Florida State kid?


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[Assistant] So, to do that, to move the way he did, Florida State, like you talked about with Texas, you could see why they were good this year. I mean, they had a receiver that, you know, big Keon Coleman looked, you know, looked good in drills. He didn't run a great 40. The running back looked damn good.


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[Assistant] Jared Verst, the pass rusher, was one of the best, most impressive physical specimens. You know, top 20, 25 pick it sounds like, right? He had to go along with it. Yeaah, he was, uh,


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[Assistant] He was, he was definitely one of the stars of Night 1.


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[Assistant] Superstar personality, like we talked about, and then, like, one of those again.


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[Assistant] Where you see him in person, and you go, oof, that body just screams, I'm a freak athlete. Right? It has a look of like, you know,


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[Assistant] Freaky middle linebacker that's longer, right? That's what a pass rusher like of him status could look like. Von Miller-ish. I remember the first time I saw Von Miller, I just went, damn, that looks powerful and compact and holy shit, it looks like he could do anything he wants physically, right? That's the way Dallas Turner looked, right? It was...


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[Assistant] Just had the legs, you know, the waist, the long arms, where you went, ooh, watch out. And, you know, I didn't even, I, I didn't even realize I missed him running the 40 on Thursday night. Cause I saw him do the vertical, and then I went, oh, I guess he must have skipped the 40. He's doing the vertical, he must have skipped it.


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[Assistant] And Pete actually got in my ear on Friday morning. He's like, no, Dallas Turner did run the 40. He's like, he ran four, four, six. And I was like, holy crap. Did he really? Right. So yes, he is one.


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[Assistant] And I believe he's, he's a, uh, he's a Florida boy, which I will always say the Florida boys, man, when the lights go on, nobody, nobody shows up like the Florida boys. And I feel like he was just like, Hey, I'm going to show you what I got. Right. And he totally solidifies himself as the top two, if not the top pass rusher off the board.


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[Assistant] I have a hard time believing that. Yea, and I would think that we've seen guys less talented than Dallas Turner drafted in the top ten on the defensive side of the ball before. So yea, we'll see where that goes, right? I mean, when you said that, the first time I was thinking, I was going,


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[Assistant] Uh, like I was going, yeah, when does that happen? Like Michael Parsons, I feel like that happened to him, but because he had, he didn't play COVID year, right? So he kind of dropped them a little bit. You know, you watch film and you're like, this guy's


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[Assistant] Great at, again, superstar personality, different type of body, right? Than, than like Dallas Turner, one where I was like, wait, I know he's not gonna run 4-4, I knew that, right?


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[Assistant] The 10 yard split, 1-6-2, I wish that was a little bit better. I wasn't shocked by the 4-6, but I also think, like,


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[Assistant] His game is not necessarily just all outright explosion, right? That's where...


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[Assistant] I looked at his body and went, ooh, it's a Max Crosby-ish body, right? And what I mean by that is not jacked and not necessarily like, oh my gosh, he's got muscles popping out of his brain everywhere, right? More of like, hey, this guy's got a big frame.


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[Assistant] Right? He's got big square shoulders, and he's athletic and loose looking, right? And for him to be 260 was easy, right? It's easy. Like he looks like if you just, if you spent like two or three weeks with him and were like, let's body build and just begin, he would put it on easy, right?


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[Assistant] But I think that's where he's going to be different. It's going to be more of the total package. It's not going to be, oh wow, look at that get off. Oh wow, he's the most explosive guy. I think it's going to be, oh, he's explosive. Ooh, he won with power. Ooh, that was a nice spin move. Ooh, he set the guy up this way. Ooh, this guy plays play after play after play.


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[Assistant] The one thing we learned in this, in this draft process.


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[Assistant] And Pete will tell you, Mike Florey will tell you.


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[Assistant] We asked all the pass rushers, who's the guy they want to, Max Crosby. They all want to be Max Crosby. Everybody. Max Crosby by far. Like 9 out of every 10 pass rushers was Max Crosby. Who's the guy you look at in the NFL you want to be like Max Crosby, Max Crosby?


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[Assistant] There's two things that we answered. The pass rushers want to be Max Crosby, the DBs, the receivers, and the guys who sack the quarterback all want Mahomes. That's the two things we learned. Pass rushers, it was overwhelmingly Max Crosby. Why do you think that is? Uh, one, he's awesome.


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[Assistant] Right? Got a cool personality and style. Totally.


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[Assistant] I think he's the poster child for a young guy right now because his motor is non-stop, right?


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[Assistant] That's what a college coach, that's what a young NFL coach is gonna try to preach to anybody, right?


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[Assistant] We don't ever give up on any play, it's just absolute, you know, to the wall every play, right? So I think that's kind of beating their brain too. So I think it's a little bit of both. I did wonder sometimes like, is that a rehearsed answer? Cause they know coaches are like here in Max Crosby cause you got a great mo- I did, that definitely went through my head.


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[Assistant] Uh, but yeaah, we learned that. And all of them want to sack Patrick Mahomes. Everybody.


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[Assistant] I'll be interested to see, uh, him on film. I mean, I know, I knew going into the process, explosive, you know, athlete was part of this, right?


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[Assistant] I will say too, compared to some of the other pass rushers, his body was a little different, right? It was a little more narrow.


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[Assistant] He was a little more narrow in the thigh and hip area than maybe Dallas Turner.


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[Assistant] Or Latu Latu was, right? Or some of the, or Jared Vers who had incredible thighs and legs there, right? So that, that'll be it. But I'm, I mean, I knew going into it, everybody kept telling me Chop Robinson is going to put up a really good time. He's an explosive athlete.


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[Assistant] I can't speak to the lack of production and all that. And again, that's, you know.


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[Assistant] Context, I gotta look at it. You know college football. You can play some teams and go, damn, the quarterback never held the ball the whole game. Every throw was screen, screen, screen, inside zone, screen, quick pass, slam, screen, screen.


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[Assistant] That was impressive. Again, to be that big and move that way, special. Byron Murphy was without a doubt one of my favorite people. We met in the, in the whole process last week.


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[Assistant] Again, that personality, the confidence in himself, the build, right, I mean, he's just as dense as you could get for 305 pounds, right, he's 6'1 and change, you know, and then you watch him, you know, run through the bags and do some of that stuff, like,


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[Assistant] You know, he's got feet like a, like a, like a third, like a first and second down running back in the NFL at 305. So he was special and definitely one of, I think the defensive tacos who stole the show, uh, on Thursday night.


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[Assistant] We're almost getting to that point. You want a new one? You want something new? A new phrase? That happened organically. It did. Just because I used to be like, I mean, damn! Okay, Nate Wiggins, or damn, okay, you know, whatever it is. Let's be on the lookout for opportunities here. So you guys are gonna tell me what I say, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and more times than not, sounds like too much work already. Sounds like, more times than not, it'll probably be swear word, right?


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[Assistant] He seems to be the guy that, as I talk to people, not only in the NFL, even the draft experts, everybody, everyone thinks Quinian Mitchell is the...


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[Assistant] The top corner in the draft, right? And then of course has the measurables and stuff that you want to go along with it. Six feet, 195, right? But again, 4-3-3, 1-5-1 split, right? Those are special times. There's no doubt about that. I'll be excited to watch him because he's got, he definitely got the look.


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[Assistant] And the swag of a guy that I go, Ooh, I like that kind of corner right there. Right. So, uh, he definitely helped himself in the, in, uh, in the combine on what was that Saturday? Yeah, that might've been.


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[Assistant] No, it's, it's, it's rare to be that far different, right? To be like, I have the fastest 40 other than Xavier Worthy, and then yet, you know, my 10 is like a tenth slower than Xavier


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[Assistant] Right, so he can improve that, right? Did he get a good start? All that? I don't know. He is a longer guy, right? So I'm not surprised to see a little bit more of a built up speed that way.


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[Assistant] And that's where, yeaah, he's probably not made for the slot. Again, I haven't watched film, but as you know, slot guys are usually really quick and have great acceleration. That's why they're in the slot. They can deal with those jitterbugs. This guy's on the outside.


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[Assistant] And, you know, oh, it's Justin Jefferson trying to run by me on a nine route? Okay, watch me open up. I'll run right with him on that nine route, right? So, that's where, you know, I think this guy...


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[Assistant] That's where he's going to be an outside, longer corner that will go up against the outside, longer, speedy type of wide receiver. Uh, but I know just from watching a little of these quarterbacks and all that, my man can play some man to man, that's for sure. So I'll be excited to see if that 10 yard split matches with what we see on the field.


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[Assistant] Hey, I mean, there were some good guys in the tight end group, certainly looked the part, had a few good times, right? But, one,


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[Assistant] Right, tight end is a position about size and physicality more times than not. This guy's old school, but he caught my eye. One to run, 4-6-4 and have a 1-5-5 split. He had a better split than the corner we just talked about, right? Yeah. Nate Wiggins, who ran 4-2-8.


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[Assistant] But he weighs 271, he weighs 100 pounds more. You know, or 95 pounds more. Yeaah, that was impressive.


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[Assistant] You know, the three cone drill, let alone his head looks like it's made of stone. Okay. And I say that with all due respect, Mr. Ryman, right? I'm not going to mess with you, but he looks like you're


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[Assistant] Gronkish type of tight end, right? It might not be Travis Kelce sexy, but he's crushing people in the run game.


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[Assistant] And then he's catching balls down the middle of the field and people are bouncing off them. Those guys usually translate to the NFL. It's a square head. It's very like Fred, Barney Rubble, Flintstone. It is out of a cave. Like, it is out of a cave. And that's how I like my Ted Edds heads. Okay? So, I, yeaah, he caught my eye for sure. I definitely want to give him some love.


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[Assistant] To be that size that I know he's old school, blocking tight end, and then to move like that?


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[Assistant] He's gonna be one that, you know, I'd be shocked if we're not talking about him when it comes to that tight end position.


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[Assistant] I told Pete before, cause I know we're gonna hit more on, there are no superstar running backs, but damn, a lot of good looking like bodies, right? And maybe it's not the year where we got, you know, the guy that runs 4-2 like Saquon or anything like that.


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[Assistant] It's just a lot of good bodies and a lot of good guys where I'd go, you know, just look tests, right? I want to go, this is going to translate to the NFL, right? This is like, there's a lot of bigger


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[Assistant] Powerful guys it feels like so far in this running grad class instead of like maybe the smaller CJ2K, JK Dobbins type of guys. A little bit more of like guys that might not have those kind of college highlight runs.


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[Assistant] But in the NFL, we're going to be like, whoa, man, that was an impressive eight yard run. Whoa. He broke three tackles and got 12 yards, right? You know, that's where I feel like.


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[Assistant] This group, whether it's the Texas Kid, Jonathan Brooks, the Trey Benson from Florida State, the Marshawn Lloyd from USC,


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[Assistant] Might not be the sexiest 80 yard touchdown runs, but he ran a good time. That was definitely good for him. And I know he's got power and moves and he's made for the NFL, right? I feel like there's a little bit of that in this class where it might not be first rounders, but we're sitting here two or three years from now going, you know, that running back class.


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[Assistant] There's a bunch starting in the NFL right now, and they're damn good, right? I feel like I saw a lot of bodies I liked. Let me just say that.


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[Assistant] I don't know how people are going to be able to handle the, the uptick.


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[Assistant] In physicality and size of people in the NFL, right? You're gonna have guys where we go, in college football, this guy can break a tackle every now and then. They're gonna get in the NFL and we're gonna go, he never, it's the first guy that hits him, he goes down right there every time, right? And then we're gonna have a guy where we're gonna go, he wasn't that sexy or great in college football, right?


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[Assistant] But then you go to the NFL and go, well damn, but when Bobby Wagner hits him, he, he goes five more yards with Bobby Wagner or they bounce off of him and he gets tough yards, right? So that's where the running back position, you know, to your point is hard to gauge sometimes.


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[Assistant] Doubt in my mind. Like I'd go, Christian McCaffrey, okay, we can say he's the number one running back of football. Like you heard me say at the end of the year, I thought,


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[Assistant] That, that Kyron Williams is the second best running back in the league right now. I would give him that, that mantle. And, you know, that, that's where, to your point again, where was Kyron Williams drafted? 5th round? Something like that, right? So that's where it's tough. It really is. Jamiro Gibbs though was good.


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[Assistant] Rockets up your ass usually are identifiable, right? So it's like, okay, his size is pretty good, but he's got rockets up his ass. We can see that. That'll work, right? Right, exactly.


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[Assistant] I heard rumors he can throw at 80. I think he can throw at 80. From what I remember, the few throws I saw at the Manning Passing Academy this past summer, I think he threw something that were 80 there, right? So, I just don't know.


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[Assistant] I didn't see Tennessee enough this year to know if he can really play quarterback yet, right? I know his arm's special. But certainly one of those guys that has my attention to go...


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, I love to find the guy that might be a mid-round guy where I go, he's got some superstar qualities, right? You know, that's the kind of guy I look for to be my third string backup or whatever. So we'll see. That, that, that's certainly, you know, Spencer Rattler. I know we had the question from at lobs all day. Damn. Okay. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, well, first is, I'm not low on Penix. I'm, I'm, I feel like I'm the guy all year that was going, why isn't Penix in the conversation with, uh, Caleb Williams and Drake May? So, I'm not low on Penix at all. I'm a big Michael Penix fan, just so you know that, at lobs all day.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniels, and I certainly don't think that Spencer Rattler is, so I'm sorry about that. I like Spencer Rattler.


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[Assistant] He definitely got better at South Carolina. He knows how to play the position. You know, his...


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[Assistant] Throwing when I watched that on college football Saturdays this past year definitely got better, right? I'm not blown away, Wyatt, though. One, you know, the athlete, he's not a real big guy. He ran the mid-four nines. And then...


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[Assistant] The throwing as you saw in the combine is good, but it's not like you're like, oh wow, we found something here. He's got a hidden rocket for a right arm, right? No, it's not that. So I think Rattler will be a mid round guy.


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[Assistant] That people go, hey, he can maybe be our backup right away as a rookie and maybe develop into a starter somewhere down the line.


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[Assistant] But as far as drafts concerned, no, I don't think there's enough elite there to think, oh yeah, he's going to be up there with some of these top guys.


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[Assistant] My black friends would say that, right? Like, and you know me, I'm the guy that was hanging out with DBs and receivers for the most of my career. Especially at Texas, right? They always would be, what up doe? What up doe? It was doe. What up doe? You know, what up doe? You know?


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[Assistant] He's got the car vibratin' and whatever else, but, uh, I hear you at


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[Assistant] I didn't want to say too much last week. I said a few things and people plagiarized me, I felt like. So I got some stuff out and some thoughts on Friday just so I could at least


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[Assistant] Plant my flag in the ground a little bit, alright? So, but it's all coming on Wednesday. Deep Dive, it's coming.


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[Assistant] Top quarterback in the draft, Chris Sims in Ahmed Fareed style. Yep. Chris Sims on button. You know where to find us, alright? Subscribe, rate, review. 2024 DraftQB ranking coming Wednesday. Toot toot-a-loo, toot toot-a-loo. Alright? And that was the fifth year anniversary. Oh. Show. Alright?


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[Assistant] Five years ago and then ten years ago. But hey, keep the questions in. Coming in. We loved that today. It was great. Great involvement by all the homies out there. Thanks for getting at us. You know where to find us. Keep sending them in. We're gonna keep discussing. You know, we'll hit the quarterbacks on Wednesday. Then next week we're gonna be a little bit more free agency and then we'll be back into the draft stuff.


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[Assistant] But you know how we do it here. It's all football all the time.


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[Assistant] Be good everybody out there. We'll check you out Wednesday. Ahmed, thanks for driving the ship. As always, you the man, me love you, long time. Stop drinking those energy drinks. I love you too much. Peace out everybody. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Me and Ahmed Fareed are gonna be here for it all. You know, we got free agency. We're gonna break it all down. The draft, the rankings of positions. Of course, we're gonna unpack it all. Hit subscribe, get to my free agency reactions, 2024 draft rankings and more. Thanks again for watching. Peace out, homies. See you soon.


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[Assistant] Well, that was one potential use for the business end of the recorder that I played last week. I have vowed...


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[Assistant] To learn how to play the Chris Sims unbuttoned theme music on my recorder, maybe I will be part of the live band that we will have.


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[Assistant] I assume that there's a way, I assume there's a way to, like, go flat and sharp, but I think, obviously it's only gonna be one octave. I assume that you can hit all eight notes sharp and flat as well.


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[Assistant] Well, we got time to waste today too because there's only 13 games, 6 teams are off.


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[Assistant] This is one of the final weeks of the buys this week and next week for the final four weeks of the season. Everybody plays every week. So six teams this week. There were none last week, which is good. Thanksgiving weekend. You know, you've got three games on Thursday, one on Friday. You dilute the pool as it is for Sunday with all those games this week.


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[Assistant] Six teams getting a break. 13 games for us last week.


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[Assistant] Damn it, straight up, we disagreed on four games. And thanks for nothing, Minnesota Vikings. Thanks for nothing, Josh Dobbs, astronaut, my astronaut.


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[Assistant] I'm clinging to a two game straight up lead. I'm now four behind against the spread because Chris was eleven to five. Eleven to five is pretty damn good against the spread there. That's five though. 80 and 85 is five.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, best, best, best, uh, we had four last week. Chris was wrong on Thanksgiving. I was right. Otherwise, Chris did very well on Sunday. He was 3-0 between Sunday. It was just all Sunday picks, not Mondays. I think I had a, I had the Black Friday Dolphins.


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[Assistant] I talked to Javon Holland about it this week. You know, he doesn't have the green light to do what he did. His instruction is, knock it down. He freelanced on that. He decided, screw it.


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[Assistant] I'm catching it and I'm going to see where this goes. Once he made a move and he saw it was just Tim Boyle. He said quarterback's tackling me. I love to the end zone. That was awesome.


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[Assistant] We made it through two hours this morning without mentioning the Aaron Rodgers Vanity Tour. So let's keep that rolling.


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[Assistant] It was fun to talk to him as well. He had some great thoughts on grass versus turf and also this idea of how hard it is to flip the switch back and forth between guy who goes out on the field with that ultra aggressive mentality and then when you leave the football field.


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[Assistant] By the way, if you didn't already know, you're finding out right now that every week this season, you can play along with us. DraftKings has set up the free $1,000 Florio and Sims Pick'em Pool. You pick every game against the spread for a chance at a $1,000 prize pool. Not prize, but prize pool.


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[Assistant] And just like us, you must enter all of your picks before kickoff of the Thursday night game, which leads us directly to the Thursday night game. There can be no complaints tonight from Al Michaels or anyone else.


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[Assistant] For this one, Seattle Seahawks in their old school silver helmets and awesome blue jerseys taking on the Cowboys in Dallas. This happens every year now where


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[Assistant] The Thursday after Thanksgiving, two of the teams that played on Thanksgiving


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[Assistant] Pack em in, Chris. So let's get to it. 9 point favorite is the Dallas Cowboys at home against the Seahawks with an overhunder of 47.5. 86% of the spread money is on the how about them Cowboys. Do the Cowboys find glory hole tonight?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it doesn't matter that it's gotta have it. It doesn't matter that they might fall out of playoff consideration. They know what's coming next. A trip to San Francisco where they're gonna get their ass kicked again. And then they have to play the Eagles. They know what is happening. They are sinking into quicksand. And Chris, the last couple of times the Cowboys have been at home.


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[Assistant] I've seen the spreads, and they've been big spreads, and I've said they're 10 points too light. 16 and a half against the Giants. That's 10 points too light.


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[Assistant] What was it, 11 against the commanders? That's 10 points too light. And they would have covered both games if the spreads had been 10 points higher. Now I'm not ready to say this one's 10 points too light.


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[Assistant] You know, you hit the nail on the head. When the Cowboys win at home, they don't win by a field goal. They win by at least ten.


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[Assistant] They kick your ass and I can see them all over Geno Smith. I can see Geno Smith coughing the ball up multiple times. I hear ya. You know at some point they gotta ask themselves


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[Assistant] Let's see what drew lock has for an extended stretch because maybe he's our guy next year. I don't know. They've got all options available to them because they can exit Geno Smith's contract after this year. No Kenneth Walker.


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[Assistant] It just, it feels like, you know, the progress the Seahawks were making last year, they make the playoffs first year post Russell Wilson and the Broncos stink with Russell Wilson and it was euphoria.


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[Assistant] At home, we talked about this earlier today, on the turf, they're so much faster, they're so much better, they have balance, and they're desperately trying to catch the Eagles. See, that's the difference. Both teams have desperation. Different types. Seahawks desperate to hold on to a playoff spot.


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[Assistant] Cowboys desperate to try to catch the Eagles. I frankly think between the two, the Cowboys have the more realistic shot. And I think desperation coupled with plausible realistic shot of reaching your goal is more potent. Seahawks are desperate, but I think they know how the movie's gonna end.


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[Assistant] Cowboys still have it kind of up in the air. To me, that just adds to another, and I want it to be an exciting close game. I want it to go down to the wire. I just think that the Cowboys are going to blow them off the field. So what do I have? I think I have 35-17. Let me just make sure we got to get it right. 35-17 Cowboys over the Seattle Seahawks.


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[Assistant] I don't like making Thursday night games the best bet. Why? I like the best bets to linger into the weekend, but maybe- Okay, fine. Fine. Asshole. Maybe I will.


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[Assistant] Dickhead. Alright. Sunday early games. Broncos at, a lot of bleeping going on in this podcast. Broncos at the Texans. The Texans favored by three and a half. Both teams are six and five.


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[Assistant] The Texans coming off of that loss at home to the Jaguars, I feel like the Broncos are fueled by, they're nourished by the fact that people keep thinking that the bubble is going to pop as they keep winning and winning and winning games. This is, and I saw the map.


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[Assistant] Because people were upset that this game got moved from 4 o'clock to 1 o'clock. Texans fans were like, oh, we don't get a 4 o'clock game. You would have been lost in the shuffle at 4.05. Regional broadcast at 4.05 up against 49ers Eagles. I saw the map of the 1 o'clock Eastern games. Most of the country is going to see this one as it should. Broncos, Texans, a very meaningful game in early December.


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[Assistant] Texans favored by three and a half, over or under a 47 and a half, who do you like? And more importantly, do you think if the Texans win, they cover the spread?


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[Assistant] Hey, I got the same idea as you do. A little more points because I like points. I got 27-24 Texans. Broncos will give them fits. It will feel like at times Broncos could win the game. But, you know, like you said with Stroud. Stroud really is developing into a great young quarterback.


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[Assistant] They're gonna want to atone for last week. They almost forced overtime last week.


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[Assistant] Because of him. Yes. They almost made it happen. Definitely. Because of him. And they went toe to toe with the Jaguars who are one of the best teams in the league. Better than the Broncos. Texans need this one. Broncos need it too. I get it. But it just feels like it's time for the Broncos to lose one. They're starting a three game road streak here.


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[Assistant] They need to get more wins to get into the postseason. It's going to be very difficult to do it in Houston.


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[Assistant] And we, you know, we talked earlier when we were looking at the props for CJ Stroud's over under passing yards.


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[Assistant] This could be a running game between Damien Pearce, who seems to be healthy now, Devin Singletary, who's been very good this year. Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, set up some play action, pass when you need to, gash that defensive line, wear them out and try to beat the Broncos and move to seven and five and cement your credentials as a playoff team. We agree on that one. We just differ on the total points. Okay, Chargers.


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[Assistant] Five and a half point favorites at the New England Patriots. What is the world coming to? That the Patriots are five and a half point underdogs at home.


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[Assistant] To the Roseanne Rosanna Dana, it's always something LA Chargers, but that's where we are. 84% of the spread money is on the Chargers, over or under a 40.5. We don't know who's playing quarterback for the Patriots, and it doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, uh, look, I've got no faith in the Patriots whatsoever. This feels like a game that maybe they should be able to win.


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[Assistant] Maybe, but it's just, there's nothing left. I feel like they've, I hate to say they've given up. It's not like they're going to go out there and not try.


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[Assistant] When you get to the point where you just feel mentally worn down by the season, you're gonna be missing something. There's just something that's gonna be not part of your effort to go out there and try to chase.


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[Assistant] It's Bill Belichick who says football season starts in Thanksgiving or at Thanksgiving. The reality for the Patriots, first time in a long time, football season is over as of Thanksgiving. There's nothing to really play for, nothing to push for. There's going to be a new coach next year. It would be a major shock if there isn't.


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[Assistant] It is the Chargers. And we know if there's any team out there that's gonna find a way to blow a hole in their own foot, it is the LA Chargers.


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[Assistant] Not enough to lose though. I'm gonna give the Patriots the cover here. I'm gonna go 20 to 17. I'll at least let the Patriots win with the points, but not win the game. So we agree straight up, we disagree against the spread. I think it'll be close. It'll probably be as boring as last week's game was between the Patriots and the Giants.


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[Assistant] Just like Al said last year during, I think it was the Colts-Bears game. You ever watch a game that's so bad that it's kinda good? And Kirk Herbstreet said, no. No. And I agree with him. No. Alright, Lions, 4 point favorites on the road at New Orleans. Saints, uh, hosting this one with a 47 point over-under.


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[Assistant] Draft Kings has 81% of the spread money on the Lions trying to atone for Thanksgiving Day loss and also a Sunday game against the Bears before that where they did not look great. Saints losing to the Falcons.


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[Assistant] Need to keep pace, need to try to take over the division, need a win. Can the Saints get a win against the Lions on Sunday, Chris?


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[Assistant] I got 27-20. Look, this is a battle of mid-level quarterbacks in my mind. Jared Goff and Derek Carr. Guys that can take you to a certain level but no farther. And Carr hasn't quite gotten the Saints into that driver's seat.


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[Assistant] But no farther. And the Lions were let off the hook by the Vikings losing.


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[Assistant] I mean, if the Vikings had won on Monday night, then it starts getting a little interesting in the NFC North. It starts to tighten up a little bit. And this could be one where the Lions are, look, they know, they know they're not gonna be the number one seed.


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[Assistant] You disqualify yourself by losing it home to the Packers on Thanksgiving Day. You're not gonna catch the Eagles or the 49ers or the Cowboys. It's just not gonna happen. They gotta focus on winning, winning, winning.


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[Assistant] Hold off whoever would rise up in the NFC North. They're gonna be the three seed. It feels like it's locked in. It's kinda like where the Vikings settled in last year.


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[Assistant] When we got toward the end of the season, it became obvious they're going to be the three seed. Lions are going to be the three seed, unless they really fall apart down the stretch. But that may, you know, I'm kind of talking myself into changing my mind here, but I'm not. I still think they, they hold it together enough to get this win. 27-20, the win and the cover.


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[Assistant] Just by force of will from Dan Campbell, we talked about his comment from earlier in the week. We didn't just yell louder. We offered some substance. They have extra time. I think that coaching staff will fix enough to hold it together for now. They got some challenges coming up, but they'll hold it together for now.


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[Assistant] At the Jets, last week Atlanta won at home against the Saints. They discovered that Pijon Robinson is pretty good and maybe we should use him on a more regular basis. Facing the Jets led by Tim Boyle.


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[Assistant] But, but, but, oh, Aaron Rodgers back at practice. Is there an Aaron Rodgers' back at practice bump for the Jets? They're 2.5 point underdogs at home with a 33.5 over-under. It is the lowest over-under of the week. Chris, who wins this?


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers needs to come out and say, I'm coming back next year. And then Woody Johnson needs to come out and say, everybody's coming back next year. We're going to try to do next year.


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[Assistant] What we were trying to do this year, that the only reason it's a shit show is because we lost Aaron Rodgers four snaps into the season. Now you may lose him four snaps into next season as well, or he may get injured before we even get to next season because he's 40 as of Saturday. But regardless,


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[Assistant] This is about next year, but it's about stopping some of this brush fire.


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[Assistant] In New York, about the major changes they think need to be made, because I think if they make major changes, it's going to be harder next year with Aaron Rodgers if he does come back, and I think he will.


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[Assistant] With him back at practice, there is, I believe, an Aaron Rodgers back at practice bump. There is, I believe, desperation not to make the playoffs, but to at least keep it together.


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[Assistant] Keep it rolling. Keep it going until the next week when they lose, if that's what happens. I am going, what are you doing there? Are you the Grinch listening to the Who's Down in Whoville? Exactly. I am going with the Jets, Mr. Grinch, to win this one, 17 to 14.


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[Assistant] And you'll be chap-chirp-chirp-chirp-chirp-chirp-chirp-chirpin' at me the whole time. The whole time. Let's go, Falcons! Wooo! And I'll be, and I'll just sit there, and I'll take it!


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[Assistant] We've seen this movie before. 1714, jets upend the falcons. Wow. And just keep it alive. Put the fire out. And, and, and this is, this is just Aaron Rodgers' back. How many times have the jets screwed you up?


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[Assistant] What will happen after the season? Because they've already sold their souls for Aaron Rodgers. That's the core problem. They went all in with Aaron Rodgers and the problem is they went too far. They let him have too much influence over the roster construction. I think he's gonna be told after the season ends, hey Aaron, you can have a seat at the table, but you're not calling the shots. You're a shitty general manager.


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[Assistant] We'll keep you in the loop, but no more of your buddies. David Bakhtiari can go somewhere else, we don't want him, and we're not gonna mortgage our future even more for Devonte Adams. We're going forward with what we have, although I wouldn't be completely stunned if they tried to get Devonte Adams because he could make a real difference next year. Alright!


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[Assistant] Cardinals at the Steelers, Pittsburgh favored by four or uh, five and a half points with an over under a 41 and a half.


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[Assistant] Chris, who do you like in this one? Oh mama, I'm in fear for my life. Kyler Murray is the one who should be singing Renegade. He should be in fear. I don't mean in fear for his life, literally, but it's, it's going to be a long day for Kyler Murray against the Steelers defense.


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[Assistant] It's time for your weather on the ones. On Sunday in Pittsburgh, the high will be 57 degrees. Chance of rain during game time. Winds gusting up to 28 miles per hour, regardless.


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[Assistant] The Steelers have discovered their running game. Their defense is very good. They'll give Kyler Murray fits.


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[Assistant] It just kinda is, this is just one of those it is what it is games. I mean, yea, the Cardinals are having a bad year, and this is a tough spot. December in Pittsburgh. It's not gonna go well for them. Alright.


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[Assistant] Colts, taking on the Titans in Tennessee. Colts are favored by one, no Jonathan Taylor, but Gardner Minshew getting it done at quarterback. Titans beat the Panthers last week and got Frank Reich fired by David Tepper over under 42 and a half. Who do you like in this one?


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[Assistant] I went back and forth on this one, and I do have the Colts 21-17. Uhm, I can see the Titans winning this game.


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[Assistant] The cults are playing for something, the titans really aren't, other than to be a spoiler. Nobody likes that role, who cares, right? You're going out, you're playing for pride.


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[Assistant] Playing for your teammates, putting down film that may be a factor in where you are next year, but still the Colts have something good happening and I feel like the Colts good enough to get this one.


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[Assistant] Buy a slim margin 21 to 17, but it's one that I would not make a best bet. I could easily see it going the other way. Am I only


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[Assistant] My only belief here, and you know, I keep hearing you talk about how, how Shane Steichen is doing such a great job with the offense.


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[Assistant] That may be enough, uh, you know, creative play at the right time to take advantage of something the titans are doing.


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[Assistant] To fuel a drive, get some points, make the difference that way, but not a blowout by any means. It's gonna be hard fought, they could lose, but if I have to go one way or the other, and I do because that's what we do on this show, we don't just defer, we don't pass, we make a pick on every game, I'll take the Colts 21-17. Although if I did have a pass,


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[Assistant] To play this week, this is the game. Maybe we should do that in the future. Maybe we should have one pass.


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[Assistant] I was Stanley's second choice after pass. Alright, Colts2117. Dolphins, 9.5 point favorites at FedExField.


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[Assistant] Shower in the parking lot, dolphins. Don't, don't expect any water in the locker room. Maybe they won't need much. Maybe they won't even get all that dirty. Maybe they'll make quick work of the commanders. 49.5 point over, under, highest of the week, biggest spread of the week at 9.5. Chris, who do you got?