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[Assistant] With their last World Series win dating back to 1908, the Chicago Cubs boast the longest title drought of any North American pro sports team.


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[Assistant] People looking for someone to blame point to Billy Cyanus and his smelly pet goat.


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[Assistant] By selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees, the Red Sox may have also sold their chances of winning the World Series.


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[Assistant] At least that's what fans wanted to believe was the reason behind the Boston team's 86-year losing streak that began in 1918.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, the Yankees won four titles and seven pennants with the Bambino in tow.


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[Assistant] The Red Sox finally found relief with their 2004 World Series win.


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[Assistant] Welcome to WatchMojo.com and today we're counting down our picks for the top 10 sports scandals.


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[Assistant] For this list, we're focusing on scandals in the sports world that contain elements of planning, concealing, or even conspiracy.


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[Assistant] And we're excluding random acts or behaviors that reflect poorly on only one individual.


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[Assistant] In 2011, Dave Doerson took his own life and requested that his brain be studied for trauma.


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[Assistant] And just one year later, Junior Sayow also committed suicide and was confirmed to be suffering from CTE after a post-mortem examination.


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[Assistant] The NFL continues to adopt new regulations along with the NHL and their enforcer issue.


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[Assistant] But off the field problems, including domestic violence, as evidenced by the Ray Rice case, continue to fuel the fire.


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[Assistant] Regardless of whether you're pro-Tom Brady or a steadfast hater, Deflategate undoubtedly caused a storm of selective outrage in 2015.


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[Assistant] It all began during the AFC Championship game when officials discovered that official game balls had been deflated, thus allowing Brady to get the upper hand.


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[Assistant] Two weeks later, the New England Patriots won another Super Bowl. And shortly after, the Wells Report concluded it was, quote, probable that Brady was complicit.


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[Assistant] Deflategate came over seven years after another New England Patriots controversy known as Spygate. Which means that somebody has some explaining to do. Whomever that may be.


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[Assistant] After 61 years with Penn State, you could say that Joe Paterno had a bit of clout on campus. We drove two hours to get here just for this, just to say goodbye. But amid a disturbing sexual abuse scandal involving former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, Paterno's legacy was forever tarnished and he passed away just two months after being fired.


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[Assistant] The rugby squad had won premiere ships both in 2007 and in 2009.


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[Assistant] And let's just say that a few perks were offered beyond the usual contract negotiations.


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[Assistant] Some players were given under the table benefits that doubled their official contracts, and others received 30 large for home and entertainment expenses.


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[Assistant] In the end, Melbourne continued to win, but only after the largest sanctions in league history and a stripping of their titles.


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[Assistant] Number six. Tim Donaghy and the 2007 NBA betting scandal.


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[Assistant] We all know somebody who thinks the NBA is rigged, and after former basketball referee Tim Donaghy was convicted of fixing games, the conspiracy theorists snickered with laughter.


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[Assistant] From 2005 to 2007, Donaghy bet thousands of dollars on games he personally officiated, and later received kickbacks from low-level mafia figures.


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[Assistant] Oh yea. He also worked the infamous 2004 Indiana-Detroit game that resulted in one of the darkest moments in league history, also known as the Malice in the Palace.


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[Assistant] Donaghy was one sketchy ref, and after serving 11 months in prison, he naturally wrote a book about his experiences.


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[Assistant] Number five. Lance Armstrong doping allegations.


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[Assistant] He was the golden boy of cycling. At least until he began throwing everyone under his wheels.


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[Assistant] In one of the most astonishing cases of egocentric behavior the sports world has ever seen, Lance Armstrong furiously denied using performance enhancing drugs after winning the Tour de France from 1999 to 2005.


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[Assistant] It was hard to root against Armstrong, a survivor of testicular cancer and founder of the Livestrong Foundation. But the growing amount of evidence became too much to ignore.


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[Assistant] Armstrong ultimately confessed to Oprah, and even that seemed like yet another performance.


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[Assistant] Number four. The 2002 Winter Olympic Bid Scandal.


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[Assistant] Every four years, the Winter Olympics showcase the greatest athletes in the world. And it's also a time for corrupt benefactors to admire their illegal purchases.


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[Assistant] In 1995, Salt Lake City was selected to host the 2002 games. And three years later, the Salt Lake City organizing committee was suspiciously protective of their financial documents when pressed by reporters. As an athlete, you're training your whole life for that one moment at the Olympics.


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[Assistant] It was almost like they didn't want people to know that numerous members of the International Olympic Committee were given political contributions, tuition money, and millions upon millions of dollars.


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[Assistant] You broke our heart, Utah. Just like that French judge who sabotaged the 2002 Paris figure skating competition.


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[Assistant] He was the centerpiece of the 1919 Black Sox scandal, where players were accused of throwing the World Series and banned from baseball for life.


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[Assistant] Of course, Shoeless Joe was also a central figure in the 1989 film Field of Dreams.


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[Assistant] But what most people don't realize, unfortunately, is that he most likely wasn't involved in the scandal at all. And the available evidence supports such a conclusion.


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[Assistant] Even so, the fact remains that America's favorite pastime was undoubtedly fixed. And a classic phrase was born. Say it ain't so, Joe.


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[Assistant] That's the one. For nearly 40 years, an unassuming man named Roger Maris held the Major League Baseball single season home run record. But in the mid-90s, a new trend emerged. Juicing.


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[Assistant] However, most fans didn't fully realize the extent of the steroid problem.


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[Assistant] Mark McGuire hit 70 homers in 98, and three years later, Barry Bonds set the existing, quote, record with 73.


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[Assistant] But when the Mitchell Report was released in 2007, the game was tarnished forever.


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[Assistant] Before we unveil our number one pick, here are a few honorable, or in this case, dishonorable mentions.


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[Assistant] Number 1. The 2015 FIFA Corruption Case.


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[Assistant] All hell broke loose in May of 2015 when U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch unveiled an intricate bribing scheme


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[Assistant] Involving FIFA executives and corrupt officials.


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[Assistant] In fact, FIFA VP Jack Warner even tried to defend himself by citing a satirical news article by The Onion.


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[Assistant] As we've seen with the 2002 Winter Olympics, any event can be bought. And while this scandal may not come as a big surprise to skeptics, the grand scale of the entire cover-up is simply astounding. We are truly living in a world of magnificent bastards.


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[Assistant] Some speculated that he did so to preserve his brain. A brain, it turns out, that was damaged by the game he loved.


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[Assistant] But Tim said betting was more powerful than all of that.


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[Assistant] Jacksonville is trading quarterback Nick Foles to Chicago Bears for a fourth round pick. Bears coaches such as Matt Nagy have worked with Foles and pass and know him well.


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[Assistant] Nick Foles now the new starting quarterback in Chicago, which means Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy had a discussion and Ryan Pace said, listen,


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[Assistant] We missed with Mitchell. Mitchell was good for a little bit. This past year was bad. And whether it was Mitchell's fault or Nagy's fault, Ryan Pace said, I'm sticking with Nagy. I'll bring you in another quarterback that you like. That being.


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[Assistant] Big Richard, Nick Foles, who had just signed an 80 million dollar contract a year ago to be on the Jacksonville Jaguars. I would assume the people of Chicago, the monsters of the midway.


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[Assistant] That contract is a massive one. You're bringing him in to start. Like for instance, Case Keenum to Cleveland, backup quarterback. Marcus Mario to Las Vegas Raiders, backup quarterback contracts. Nick Foles contract is a starting quarterback contract. That's what that is. And I think I could be wrong.


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[Assistant] When Nick Foles thought about retirement, went out in the woods, potentially saw some vitamins and talked to his brother-in-law and decided to come back to football. I think that was a real...


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[Assistant] Tune by a moment for him that really opened up a whole new, cause when he came and played for the Eagles when they needed him.


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[Assistant] He was incredible on that Super Bowl, incredible. Then him calling the Philly Philly, then him getting broken off in Jacksonville. Now granted, Jacksonville isn't always the greatest place to be or whatever if you're up for football for the last, you know.


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[Assistant] But it feels like old Nick Foles might have the most interesting NFL journey in the history of quarterbacks. He's a Super Bowl MVP who just got cut baited or traded away a year after signing a franchise-like deal.


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[Assistant] And now he's going to a place that is in dying need of good quarterback play. Has been for a long time with a defense that just got ramped up even more with Quinn being added to the mix. What if the Bears all of a sudden are back in discussion for being worth a single fuck next year?


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[Assistant] That could easily happen. He can Tannehill. I think Mitchell Trubisky is a guy who could potentially Tannehill in a new place. New place, new system, maybe, you know, something different. I think he could potentially be good because I think he showed a year ago. He could be worth it. Like he could be a good quarterback. Something happened though. He's a completely different player this year. Completely different.


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[Assistant] I guess the Colts reach out to Jacksonville about Nick Faux's trade potentially.


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[Assistant] I have no idea if it's true or not. These are all coming from people who say they know things, and a lot of them probably don't.


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[Assistant] The Football Association called it a stain on the game and have charged Cantona with bringing the game into disrepute.


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[Assistant] Elke Van Hoof, the 2015 European Champion. A good start from Van Hoof.


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[Assistant] I think once I'm on the horse, then it's gonna be okay.


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[Assistant] Okay, you can touch him, I will watch you. He's trying to bite you.


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[Assistant] Okay, we got a nice bike for you.


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[Assistant] That was good to start with. Uhm, you got 45 seconds. I got 21. But I think it's not too bad. Just your technique needs to be a little bit more effective. You need to work with your body.


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[Assistant] It was a little bit out of my comfort zone, but it was okay, I survived, so.


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[Assistant] Never put your pedal like this because sometimes you're gonna hit the ground and then you fall off your bike.


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[Assistant] If you go down the jumps, you need to push, and then you go a little bit backwards.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. Our speed is too high to just roll it.


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[Assistant] It's amazing how we control this forest with the rains. It's so nice to see how we can do different things. If I need to do that, it's going to be difficult.


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[Assistant] Still a little bit scared. Like, I don't know what the horse is going to do.


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[Assistant] Looks also easy, and then I came, uh, by myself on the horse.


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[Assistant] And that was really, uh, totally different, like learning riding a bike again.


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[Assistant] Before the competition we eat a lot of carbs and also proteins are really important for the muscles.


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[Assistant] But now it's obviously real, so yeah, that's all guys.


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[Assistant] He got 45 seconds, and then the last time he got 35, so that's a lot of difference in a short of time. He's a good, uhm, student. Good job!


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[Assistant] It was, uh, actually amazing. Uhm, in the beginning I was scared, but then he teached me all the things I needed to know and then I could handle it by my own.


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[Assistant] Shoeless Joe Jackson died in 1951 and 63 years later is still banned from baseball.


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[Assistant] My name is Britt Eerland, I'm from Holland and I play table tennis. It's my sport, it's my passion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I can't remember, I think when I was 12 years, but it's a long time ago, and I think maybe once.


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[Assistant] I thought I'm right-handed so I can use my right hand, but in the end I have to use my left one, and I'm not used to use my left hands, so it's quite difficult for that.


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[Assistant] So in the beginning I really start slow and then go up and up and then I really prepare my body and might die to really go 100% in a match.


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[Assistant] So he understood much better my service. Yes. And in the end he could even play on the table.


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[Assistant] I really start to believe their goal is to be the worst defensive squad in the league.


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[Assistant] They soft like, I never see a bunch of defensemen soft like this.


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[Assistant] We thank you guys, uhm, for bringing us into your family, because we're all family now.


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[Assistant] Touched it. All I can ask for is good contact, so I think that's a win for me.


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[Assistant] So the main thing that you want to be worried about is the size, how long the barrel is, and how light or heavy it is. Most people think of softball and baseball as like the same thing, but they're really a lot different. So softball is going to be obviously a different color ball, but the size is what really gets a lot of people. It's a way bigger circumference, so bat and a ball and we'll get you going.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I'm going to show you how to hit balls off a tee and then we're going to see how you do off-boats and live pitching. The biggest thing, be as smooth as you can and hit the ball a long way. No big deal.


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[Assistant] They're coming in usually around 65, 70 miles an hour.


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[Assistant] The way you grip the bat is really, really important. You always want to line up your door knocking knuckles. A lot of people get here and that's when we have a lot of wrist problems like you were having earlier. So if you line up your...


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[Assistant] Door knocking knuckles. When you make contact, you should be palm up.


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[Assistant] Your front elbow is never really supposed to lock out. So this should always stay bent. Okay. And I just load here.


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[Assistant] You want to stay in your back leg as much as you can because that's going to give you a ton of lift on the ball when you're transferring all your energy.


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[Assistant] You're right, the more you turn back this way, the way, I feel like way more powerful coming through. That one felt really good.


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[Assistant] Gave you some tips, you've had a little bit of time to get comfortable, had a lot of like time to practice, so hopefully let's see if you can improve.


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[Assistant] It seems like a no-brainer that the Olympics is gonna have to postpone. You can't think right now of people flying in from all over the world. New York. And congregating together. It's not gonna happen, but I think if, let's say they delay it.


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[Assistant] Postpone it a year. Can't we have one time in our history where we have three years between Summer Olympics instead of four?


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, summer Olympics. It's gonna affect, it could possibly affect the winter Olympics, but I feel like if we just say the postponement one year, we do it next year, then you have three years between the next summer Olympics.


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[Assistant] Or maybe he tries, like, he tries to mix it up and wants a gold medal in a different event and he goes to the Winter Olympics and he tries bobsledding.


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[Assistant] Bears are who we thought they were. And that's why we took the damn field. Now, if you want to crown them, then crown their ass.


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[Assistant] I let off the show by asking him if he thinks he should be the President of the United States.


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[Assistant] And he said, no, I don't think enough people like me for that to happen. And he's, he mentioned his wife probably not being a fan of that. And he ended his appearance with this speech that everybody on the internet is saying, this guy's going to be president of the United States. So I don't want to say that I, I, uh,


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[Assistant] I Simpsonsed it, but I kind of Simpsonsed it. I predicted what was going to happen and he gave this two and a half minute speech to the world when I said, hey, people are going through a little bit of a time here. Some people are very worried about the future and things like that. You'll see. This is a good one from coach PJ Fleck. I can't wait to hear your take on this AJ.


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[Assistant] Last time I had you come on, I asked you to explain what elite meant and why it was such an important thing. That led into one of the most motivational speeches I've heard in my entire life. I still play it sometimes in the morning while I'm taking a dump if I can't get up and get energy. I just want to let you know that. Still, you and I wake up together sometimes. So, uh, in the world that we're in right now,


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[Assistant] What is a message that you would send to somebody who is like, hey, there's people that are out of work right now. There's people that are struggling to get by. What is a good way or a good mindset for those people to have looking forward on how the other side of this will probably be bigger than the situation that we're going through right now.


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[Assistant] That's PJ 24 hours a day. He's never not that guy. I don't think that guy would work in the NFL, but I'm happy that guy's in college. And if I was to send my kid to a college football program, I would be happy if PJ Fleck was the guy out there leading him onto the field daily.


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[Assistant] That's smart. I think so too. I think he is smart enough that he'd be able to figure it out. To be honest, I do. I kind of, you kind of convinced me actually of that because I think he would be, now granted remember he has a background in being an elementary school history teacher I think or something like that.


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[Assistant] Oh, just do it all guy. Classic. Lunch pail guy. First one in, last one out. Coach your son.


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[Assistant] Rust Belt Guy, I like PJ every time he comes on our show. The first time I had him on, I had no idea what to expect. And I actually told him that, like on air, I was like, you know, I've heard some people, they don't love you, some people do, cause I'm just reading what people are saying about him and things like that. In that first conversation I had with him, I was like,


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[Assistant] I love this man. I am a man. He's just a guy that I think is infectious. You know what I mean? I think he's infectious. That was a great motivational speech, and very presidential. Might I add, like I said at the beginning of the show.


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[Assistant] Please ask the guys, who was the best quarterback for the Bears? Bertha. From Joe Props.


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[Assistant] No, but uh, players have came out when they were looking out yesterday, I think it was Cordel, or Cordero. He basically said they want competition there, no matter what, so.


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[Assistant] He wore his Bears jersey when he went on the Super Bowl White House visit. Good for him.


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[Assistant] I usually put my cigar bag on. Zito puts his cigar bag on.


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[Assistant] He's injury prone too, I mean, like, he's missed a lot of games due to injuries, so.


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[Assistant] Having your own production company certainly helps cause you can just make sure your kid is, you know. That's what I'm saying, like- Hey, we're financing it, guess what? Colin's gonna be the star. And by the way-


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[Assistant] He was under contract for three more years. It wasn't like he was coming up that year and we couldn't hold on to him. You had him under contract for three more seasons. If he wanted to raise, he's not going, like DeAndre Hopkins also doesn't seem like the type of guy to sit out and hold out and miss games or anything because he wants a raise. So.


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[Assistant] And you watch how Hopkins handled it too. He handled it with all class afterwards too. He doesn't seem like a guy that would be an issue if he really did want to raise that bet.


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[Assistant] Yeah. What is, maybe he thinks he knows something we don't want to know. We don't know, but there's a lot of coaches I think in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. You could, I would like to ask you, do you think all coaches want to be the GM as well? Yeah, no.


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[Assistant] Doing both of them seems very overwhelming to me, and there's a lot, like Bill Belichick, he can do it. There's certain special people that can handle it, and there's others that I think it's just too much for.


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[Assistant] If you're saying he's gonna have to learn here, the problem is, like, he doesn't have a whole lot of time left to learn. Like, do you think if they, if they don't make a deep run in the playoffs, is he still gonna be around next year?


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[Assistant] I wasn't watching the NFL Network, I just saw it come across the timeline on Twitter.


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[Assistant] How do you feel about Dana White getting a call from Disney and them going listen?


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[Assistant] But we're not about it. You can't do it. Take a seat, stand down. And which is what he said basically to Okamoto.


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[Assistant] What's the guy's name? Brett Okamoto. Okamoto, Okamoto. Uh, he told him, I was basically told to stand down, but as soon as this is ready to go, I can put fights up the next day.


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[Assistant] I'm intrigued to hear how that conversation went and do you think Dana went to an easy person to tell?


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[Assistant] Like yeaah, you can't do that. Like what human, what, it had to be the top of Disney, right? Iger just stepped down. So whoever the new person is at top of Disney.


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[Assistant] Who oversees the parks and the movies and the everything and ESPN had to be like, yeah, you can't do it and Dana was probably like


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[Assistant] How do we get on to Fight Island? Can we be, uh, can we get a press pass for Fight Island? I would, I would like a press pass for our show on Fight Island for Dana's operation.


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[Assistant] Listen, even if that's us just sitting on our own little tiki, you know what I mean? Like doing our own thing.


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[Assistant] And I was just talking to each other, by the way. I don't even think anybody of UFC crowd needs to hear us. Like if we could just do it for our own thing, like that's completely okay. We'll just observe and report why everybody's watching Fight Island at home.


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[Assistant] We'll never do another fucking fight down. Forever and ever, amen. They're never getting another dollar from me. It's interesting though that the government


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[Assistant] Disney who owns everything, by the way, Disney not only owns ESPN, they own all of Fox, they own all of everything. Disney owns everything. The top person who's probably been trying to deal with


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[Assistant] I don't know, furloughs and layoffs and different, and now they got the Dana White page. It just slides across and they're like, all right, you got to handle this today. Uh, the governor said.


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[Assistant] I bet you it's tapped in, right? Somebody heard it. You think Gavin Newsom was listening? I want to make sure you tell him that this ain't happening. I would have loved, I hope so bad that what you said is right. I hope they were recording.


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[Assistant] I hope Dana White's first reaction is fuck you. I hope so bad.


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[Assistant] For the Dana White brand, that that was his first reaction. Cause grainy interview on the other day trying to get information, he was just like, nah, not like literally grainy. You're into all the fames. You're a legend in the broadcasting world. Get up is your show. I understand Ron ESPN, which is a company that has paid me billions and billions of dollars for my company.


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[Assistant] Nah, I'm not telling you anything. Dana White seems to have that mentality where it's like, eh, fuck you. And I hope he did that in that call with whoever called him and told him he can't have his fights or Fight Island.


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[Assistant] This is what a guy on, uh, the YouTube comment section, he said, State is in a tough spot, his name is Sean Marshall, uh, taking first responders to be at a fight.


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[Assistant] I would assume Dana White wouldn't mind just paying his own personal doctors to be there though. You know what I mean? I would assume like Dana's okay with just being like,


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[Assistant] One doesn't, UFC, I assume they have their own medical staff.


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[Assistant] Like every, every NFL team has 15 to 20 people working in their medical staff. I would assume the UFC has some sort of something there, right? Don't you think?


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[Assistant] Obviously the safeties and precautions of everybody is more important. So saying, I have to say that so people know that, but how awesome would that have been to have some live action competition and something to talk about? This show, every show would have became a UFC show next week.


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[Assistant] Gamble on? Every sports show, every sports show would have been a UFC show next week because they have highlights, have replays, have analysis, even like listening to Marcus Spears or or Lovsky or they would have them all talk about like


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[Assistant] The head of Disney and then the head of Disney called me to report that the head of Disney had a Zoom with Dana White


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[Assistant] I think people would have definitely paid for it. Social media. I think they would have all got ripped. Everything would have got ripped and put on social media and I assume their numbers would have been bigger than ever. WrestleMania this past week and again it was over two nights.


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[Assistant] The Nielsen Social Rating, which nobody knows what the fuck that is, we live on the internet and work on the internet, I don't know what that is, I don't know how to judge it, but it's like a 13.8, which is, I would assume if it's on every other rating, every 13.8 tweets out of 100 tweets is about the WrestleMania, is probably how that is rated.


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[Assistant] So I would assume it's the same thing. It was massive, did huge numbers. I mean, look at Joe Exotic. Just as soon as something new is dropped into the world to be discussed, everybody wants to discuss it, even if it's something that it wouldn't normally be interested in. That would be the same type of thing. The amount of traction it would have on the internet would be massive.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome to Thursday, April 2nd's edition of McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk, live right here on youtube.com forward slash The Pat McAfee Show.


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[Assistant] My name is Patrick McAfee. I am one half of this show. Sitting to my left on your screen is a handsome Ohio State legend named A.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think he want, I don't think he, that's his gig. I don't, I don't think, he was offensive coordinator for us for a little bit there.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he hated it or loved it. I, I, I don't know. I think he's okay. Just he likes coaching. You know, I think when you become a head coach, you no longer really coach. Remember you become like a CEO, like he enjoys like building up the relationships and, and like.


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[Assistant] He is a guy who found his calling like 55 years ago as a football coach and he is amazed. He's linked to almost everybody and now at this point he's he's going to be the only human has worked with both Peyton.


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[Assistant] And Tom Brady. And I would assume because of him is why Tom Brady potentially


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[Assistant] Wanted to go down to Tampa Bay. The guy's a legend. Him talking about how those who say that Tom Brady


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[Assistant] That was the best part of the, I mean people are going to be quoting that interview I think on these other sports. Don't quote that part, won't they? AJ, I tried to eat.


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[Assistant] Talking to Clyde was awesome. That's the first time I've talked to him at length in probably a couple years. Like a text message here, a text message there. I think what people don't fully understand in the NFL, you can be literally best friends with somebody.


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[Assistant] And then if they get cut and go to another team, like you'll talk to them, but you might not see that human for another couple of years. Like that is a real thing that you have lunch with a guy. You eat lunch with a guy every day. You eat breakfast with a guy every single day. You see each other in meetings. Maybe you you blast these friendships happen quicker because you're around each other all day and you have a common mission and then all of a sudden out of nowhere.


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[Assistant] I think there's something special in that locker room, you know, and I was very lucky to have Clyde Christiansen there. Another thing he talked about was how Jamis worked just as hard as Peyton and Andrew Luck. He said he and he's a guy.


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[Assistant] Who would know? He's hands on with everybody. He said, Jamus worked just as hard as Peyton and Angela. I've never heard that said about Jamus. I've never heard that Jamus Winston is a potential over...


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[Assistant] I mean, that's literally all that you ever hear talked about. Maybe that guy that wrote the book is right. The media narrative about James Winsett is just a negative one. You don't ever hear these.


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[Assistant] Right before the game, seeing him doing that, walking in the huddle, be like,


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[Assistant] But then James was like, no, no, I want this. Team only. Team only. This is team only guys here. Please don't. That was a tough one for me. That was very, because there's some people in the background in that video that were like, uh,


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[Assistant] Sean Jackson, what are you doing here, pal? What's going on here? That was tough. But here he is, over-worker, hard-worker, just needs to find the right fit for them. Tom Brady was the right fit. He said in that interview too,


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[Assistant] Every off-season the coaches are asked about potential free agents and they're supposed to give them a score like, do you think this person is coachable, a leader, uh, can fit in our culture and stuff like that. He said he was asked to do one of those on Tom Brady, obviously, because he's going to be a free agent. He thought it was a candid camera situation. Do you think this guy could be a leader?


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[Assistant] Yes, he thought it was a joke, but it's funny to think that teams had to do that with Tom Brady this year for the first time in 20 years. And he said he felt as if the entire time they were going to get Tom. He said he felt as if they were going to get Tom the entire time in the media world. In our world, that kind of came in at the last second when Derek Jeter said, Hey, you can live in my fucking Best Buy that I live in. You can live in my mall that I have down here saying Jeter's bird. Bill Gates, like I'll build a town for you and the Tampa Lightning guy was like, whatever you want. I thought it came to be at the end.


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[Assistant] He felt like, he said they were confident from jump that they were gonna do well, that they were gonna get to him.


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[Assistant] You see the coaching staff, it's a bunch of older coaches. You know, it's like, uh, it's on a young upstart operation. I think they had the money to do it if they had to. And I think that Peyton Mann and Clyde Christiansen relationship is.


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[Assistant] Worth a lot more than people think. He told us that, which I did not know.


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[Assistant] He said we, and I don't know if he meant for that to slip out or if it was just conversation when Peyton Manning was cut from the Colts, Clyde Christiansen said.


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[Assistant] Which by the way makes sense because Clyde and Payton were, you know, a tag team of...


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[Assistant] A lot of great work in Indianapolis. So when he gets cut, Clyde's not just gonna be like, well, right?


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[Assistant] That's not gonna be something he's gonna do. And then they said immediately after that, I asked him like, all right, you guys gonna let Tom bring in his offense though? And he was like,


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[Assistant] What the other 21 guys have though, we're gonna have Tom change.


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[Assistant] And I guess Tom was excited about that. I would assume though Tom's gonna bring some...


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[Assistant] Some stuff, which Clyde said he's gonna make it even better, I'd assume. I'm sure he's gonna bring in some stuff, you know?


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[Assistant] Which I appreciate and respect. Before we get to TJ Lang, former teammate of yours, uhm, and a Twitter assassin, I mean,


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[Assistant] He has been electric on Twitter. Just free agency, free agent gets signed.


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[Assistant] Wait a couple seconds, TJ Lang is gonna bury him.


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[Assistant] Free agent gets signed, wait a couple seconds.


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[Assistant] T.J. Lang's gonna bury him. T.J. Lang and Josh Sitton, uhm, who's on my show on a very regular basis, need to get him on this show.


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[Assistant] Very good friends. Other ones that were chugging beers on Lambo together before getting bitched out by the Packers organization for doing so. I think T.J. Lang and Sitton seem to be similar humans. Is that accurate, A.J.?


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[Assistant] Somebody facetimed AJ Hawk, I need a motivational speech, and then you never answered, uh, your phone, you were gone, and ultimately I puked, not reaching the goal. So.


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[Assistant] So I think now I thought it was going to be completely opposite to your thoughts. I thought I was going to crush it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's very rational thinking, rational thinking. But for me, when I looked at it, I saw the four drinks. Those were an afterthought. Gonna need those to sip down my quarter pounders anyways, is what I thought. And then when I looked at Dre, I'm like, I feel like I've housed more McDonald's than that at 1.32am, but you gotta remember those memories 1.32am.


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[Assistant] Also, completely, your body is just completely different. You're almost a superhuman. People dance better. They run their faces through walls in those states. I mean, there's just different things you can do at that state of mind. When I think I was picturing a potential, you know, McDonald's tray, I thought I was going to hammer that.


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[Assistant] Born and raised on the McDonald's. Rust belt guy through and through. I thought that was gonna be no problem. Boy, I was mistaken. That was tough. My whole body's still aching because of that.


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[Assistant] I don't know if my body can get there anymore, honestly. The things I used to have to do to get there.


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[Assistant] We're worse than that. We're worse than that McDonald's tray. I'll tell you that. The thing that made me puke ultimately was


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[Assistant] I said one time in college and then I didn't get to the story that one time in college made me almost puke in my mouth and then I had to roll over.


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[Assistant] So I did it and I took it down and my body handled it for, I don't know, probably 16, 17 seconds. And then I turned around and I projectile vomited.


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[Assistant] Over the street in Morgantown. Those six beers. And that's what I thought about yesterday. I was like,


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[Assistant] I've been able to get more stuff in my body. That was the conversation I was having yesterday. Cause when you have that gallon of unsweet tea in there, it's like your stomach is flooding.


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[Assistant] Those came right back up, and then the iced tea was like, yep, so are we! And that's when it really, that was when it all became a problem for me. There's a lot of people talking very tough in Twitter though to me still, after seeing me puke, they're like, that's no problem, I'll do that this weekend. What am I gonna do with the other


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[Assistant] AJ Hawk in the clouds, dude. A lot of people wanted you back in the clouds for this McDonald's thing. You just wouldn't answer, which gets me back to the original question. This whole thing. Where were you when I needed you yesterday?


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[Assistant] I got questions, man. One of them was like, hey, we have an ad.


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[Assistant] They asked for us to show the box. They wanted us to wear these, but it's impossible. It's literally impossible for us to play.


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[Assistant] Because our technology isn't up to the snuff of Raycon's technology. So while you read here, they want us to just show the box because we, we can't.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, I do remember, you were calling that high school football game that was like 7 hours long and right before you did that we met in the middle of the city and we were like, you know what, I wish we had wireless earbuds.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm talking about. Alright, now we have to hang up on AJ Hawk.


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[Assistant] Because we had a group FaceTime him and TJ Lang together who will be our guest today. A man who won a Super Bowl and has been an assassin on Twitter will be joining us for good conversation. A lot of people are saying that AJ Hawk wasn't there for me.


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[Assistant] In a moment of need when I was about to puke and bad memories were coming up and I was trying to take on a challenge that a lot of people thought was going to be easy and myself included it turned out not to be.


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[Assistant] There was one person that I knew could give me a motivational speech to kind of power me through that wall and that hump and the science that was cooking in my stomach. And that's A.J. Hawking. And so what was he doing? Being a dad. Being a husband.


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[Assistant] That's gonna come back and bite you in the ass. Samuel Nocovich says, uh, sports talk has become HSN, by the way, home shopping network. See this monocle right here. This monocle right here.


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[Assistant] It's really nifty and uh, clever. And if you're a guy who wants to get a deep dive and look at things, this monocle right here, you can buy on Facebook market from Jim next door, selling meth and monocles and everything you could think of.


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[Assistant] And let's not forget about our G film that did not pay for that actually. Let's go back here. Uh, you facetiming the boys?


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[Assistant] I heard when you went to the Packers, I heard when you went to the Packers you liked to have a good time.


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[Assistant] Not did you stop doing that, but somehow you pivoted into becoming this incredibly


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, good at moving other humans guy offensive lineman staple for the Packers up there. What was that moment? What was it like going to the Packers becoming an NFL player and having to move grown ass men instead of college kids?


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[Assistant] He said there was a lot of rumors and reports and I would assume doing conditioning after every single practice is insane at training camp. Is that why the Patriots were 20 years or so good? They were just...


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[Assistant] That stuff all kind of seems like if you had done something a certain way for your entire career and then he comes in and flips it right on its head.


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[Assistant] Much like with you, it's like, well this is not what you do, and then you don't have success doing it.


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[Assistant] It's hard to get people to buy in when you don't have success. Like the Patriots, AJ and I talk about this all the time. When you have the best player on earth, Tom Brady taking a pay cut, it's easier for them to get everybody else to take a pay cut at their position. Like, hey, we're gonna win. When you got Tom Brady running sprints after every single practice, it's easier to tell everybody else to do it.


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[Assistant] And they win. So you can basically tell him in Detroit, you guys, they weren't winning. It's still not really winning in this entire, you know, cultures being changed. I'll be excited to see how it pans out long term. If they continue to give him a chance because this year it's like a winner lose winner get fired type situation. I think for


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[Assistant] I am a massive fan of the guy, right? Like of the guy. Like Matt Patrice's guy I would like to hammer.


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[Assistant] You know, some beers with, if you ever smoked vitamins, I'd like to smoke vitamins with Matt Patricia. Like, I, I, I think that is a guy where they do that. It just, it seems like these Patriot coaches, wherever they leave, for whatever reason, Belichick's coaching tree is not a very successful one. I mean, it's just, it's how, cause Bill O'Brien, successful, right? He's got his team to the playoffs last year.


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[Assistant] Hey, that's a punter's day. That's literally what punters do their entire careers. So don't, you're not rubbing anything off. Time at Green Bay with Aaron.


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[Assistant] That dude has such an interesting reputation with people. He's the most talented quarterback probably to ever come into the NFL. Now granted, Patrick Mahomes is another Aaron Rodgers. I mean, Aaron was doing a lot of stuff that Patrick Mahomes is doing.


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[Assistant] Right before, he's giving speeches where he's like crying, like hey, like hey, these guys are supposed to beat you by 40, like that type of stuff? Is it like one for the Gipper? Or what are the types of speeches that old Mike McCarthy Yinser's giving out there?


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[Assistant] A lot of clapping out of that guy. Uhm, I was going to say Maddie Stafford was so cool.


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[Assistant] One of the coolest dudes I've ever encountered, I think. He can sling that thing too.


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[Assistant] We got a big Lions fan back here TJ, but one of your biggest, one of the biggest Lions fans potentially in existence is in the, in the back window there. So these positive things are, and he loves Maddie.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's a cool dude. He really is. He's one of us. I always refer to people as like, uh, he's one of us. Like he's like, uh, there's people that aren't that are very successful. Like for instance, I don't think Tom Brady is one of us, right? Like I eat avocado ice cream. So whenever I say like he's one of us, it's like, uh, like, yeah, I think he would fit in very well on the show. I think he would do very well on the show.


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[Assistant] I asked Matt, uh, Patricia, right to his face, uh, if he was playing on starting Drew Blau or something like that. Drew Blau. Drew Blau. And he was like, that's not his name or anything. That's, well, at least you know, I'm happy you were.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's put the one up there that, uh, is, uh, when you motioned Jimmy Graham into help with your Pass Pro and he blocks Warn Shop, then tweeted a video of Jimmy Graham, uh, literally just getting


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[Assistant] Uh, smoked. I mean, he didn't even touch the guy. And TJ Lang goes, totally unfair to ask a tight end to block the right pro football talk. Because Mike Florio's big thing is that they shouldn't have tight ends blocking these people. And then when a video shows that, it's like, it's almost like, oh, Jimmy Graham didn't even attempt to block that guy. Is that what you were saying? Is that what you're mentioning?


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[Assistant] Uh, TJ, I will let you know that there's a guy in here who is a massive Green Bay Packer fan.


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[Assistant] And your tweets about Jimmy Graham have brought him.


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[Assistant] I mean, he was not happy, so watching you just roast him publicly because of your spout with Florio and Chicago was a massive thing for Ty. I think you also hit somebody else. Did he? Is there another? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Listen to this. Hey, AJ, AJ real quick. One more comment from the internet. Oh, Brian Stier says, um, TJ Lang looks like a guy who'd own a tiger. Yeah. Just want to let you know that that was said about you, TJ.


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[Assistant] AJ and I are big fans of it. There's some people that are coming out saying it wasn't that entertaining. If you couldn't find entertainment in that, I don't know what was, I don't know what is going on there.


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[Assistant] I'm a dumper. I don't do the 55 Minuters. I do do the 10-15. Every once in a while can't feel my feet. But usually if food comes in, it's coming out. Now, not in a rapid fashion because I have put on some pounds. I'm trying to lose them.


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[Assistant] I think most of the McDonald's got out of me. I was aching though. Oh no, I don't, I still don't know why. My body was just like achy. I couldn't really fall asleep. I think it's the sodium and probably my clogged arteries.


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[Assistant] Think of, and Todd Bowles took that difference from 32 to 5. The, uhm, the...


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[Assistant] I think the biggest thing, now this could be me being wrong because the quarterback doesn't know the offense.


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[Assistant] No OTAs, right? So none of these rookies are really gonna get baptized into


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[Assistant] Important reps are, there's a reason why walkthroughs happen and practices happen and you can't just learn everything from an iPad or a playbook with no OTAs.


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[Assistant] No preparation really, it sounds like, unless there's a shortened training camp or something along those lines. Whatever happens.


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[Assistant] Everybody else is not gonna have as much preparation as much as, just like he wouldn't. Like, does that make any sense? I don't know.


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[Assistant] You think Tom Brady's running 11 wide on zoom right now going through? Do you think he is like, all right, uh, Chris, where are we going with this? I've gone inside tight end linebacker. Do you think that's what people are going to have to do? These quarterbacks are gonna have to get creative. I think if I mean, who knows how long it's gonna last. I don't think anybody knows, but they're gonna have to get really creative. Um, TJ.


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[Assistant] I don't want to speak for AJ because AJ is a great speaking man, but hey, we appreciate the hell out of you coming on here, man.


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[Assistant] It's all, it's half the price of the premium brands, you know what I mean? That Raycon.


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[Assistant] Uh, the morning show though can only get a max time because I have to go to a commercial break.


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[Assistant] I felt like we were going to have a good extended conversation. That's why I thought coming in the afternoon would be a smart decision. And by the way, bingo, bingo.


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[Assistant] I think the Zoom, by the way, I did a Frank Caliendo show here today on the Zoom. Interesting. Very interesting. Did it work? Yea, it worked, but it's not...


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[Assistant] People are pushing it way out of control, as if it's the best invention of all time. I'm not 100% sure that's the case, but...


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[Assistant] I can understand how people like it. Very simple to use. You just kind of hit a button and you're there and it's all there and then they record it. It seems like it's very simple to use.


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[Assistant] So on the cell phone, on the, uh, the iPhone one.


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[Assistant] There's one screen where it just shows who's talking.


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[Assistant] Are you mad at the YouTube commenters? No, I just knew where you're going. Ladies and gentlemen, sometimes we like to dive deep into the most beautiful place of the Internet. The YouTube comments with YouTube questions.


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[Assistant] YouTube questions! Zito, you got any over there, bub?


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[Assistant] Great reading. I mean, top 5 reading right there.


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[Assistant] There we, hey, there we go. Do you mean if you play longer, uhm, your legacy should be bigger and better? Yes.


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[Assistant] Well, I assume he asked me that question because I retired after year eight after being dominant retiring in my prime instead of just holding on for an extra couple years. I assume that's why that question was asked. I think those who can do it longer.


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[Assistant] I think the fact that you can remain at a competitive level mentally that you want to still drive yourself to work physically to continue to be one of the top people in your class in your profession and not hit a lump or a drought or


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[Assistant] He's got what, 45 contracts at this point, and he's not in a Pro Bowl. To last long, I think it goes hand in hand. If you last long in the NFL, you're great at football. That's just kind of the title.


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[Assistant] Maybe, I don't know. I don't think he would go back. I think he would go to a place that, you know.


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[Assistant] Like for instance, Tampa needed a kicker, right? They have a punter that kicks off. They're a team that's potentially gonna go on a run. He knows what everybody in that building basically.


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[Assistant] But, you'd have to rely on his rehab that's happening right now, right?


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[Assistant] A massive Adam Shepter fan. I am a massive Adam Shepter fan. He was at that wedding that I was with with Mattie Stafford.


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[Assistant] Draft night is a massive night for him. I mean, he is obviously that's a big night for him. And the fact that he I would assume, which is what's happening to


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[Assistant] A lot of people I've been watching on the internet is that kind of cavalier and laissez faire about COVID-19 and then somebody close to him right gets hit by it.


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[Assistant] I would assume he knows somebody or something happened to him relatively close that he's like, hey, this is, this is not just a, okay, here we go about our business. This is a completely different time. People are passing away. They got the streets are on lockdown. I think that's why he did it. But in my eyes,


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[Assistant] Arizona. He said when Devin Bush got drafted to the Steelers last year, he's a diehard Steelers fan that lives in Arizona.


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[Assistant] Had somebody close to him that experienced that very, the most negative potential outcome from COVID-19. Which is what's happening at a rapid rate. I think like a thousand people a day at this point. People are passing away. It felt like he was not happy though. He was pissed off. That was out of character for Shifty.


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[Assistant] The executive committee said something and I agree with them.


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[Assistant] Uh, this is for inside conversations only. Anybody that has complaints, take them up directly with us. This gets outside. None of us think that's good. Disciplinary action could happen. Good. Open your mouth and lose your fucking team.


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[Assistant] No, but I think in that paragraph, the possible disciplinary actions, dot dot dot, like whoever sends this to Adam Schefter before everybody else gets this, you're going to be fired. That's what he should have seen. Because it was literally in there about what happened with Schefters. That's awesome.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. Every time. If you put something-


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[Assistant] I got something in my left eye right now. It's the worst. It's just in my eye, dude. I don't know where it came from. Probably from the ceiling. Throw some water on there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's quite a reaction from the boys here in the office whenever that made it on television that the open was being cancelled. That's a long time away now, right? And Mark Cuban one week ago was on ESPN, very optimistic about a return and a start. And then just yesterday he was like, we're not sure. We're not, he kind of backed out. I think we are in a very much, let's wait and see what the hell happens type world. You know what I mean? Every day.


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[Assistant] Dr. Drew used to sling dick tips, now he's out here saving the world.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna let Dr. Drew know, I don't love what he's done with my schedule. I come out of a show at noon, I have to...


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[Assistant] Normally handle some calls, handle a grumpy or two, eat a lunch.


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[Assistant] And then I'm at 1104, 105, I'm trying my best doc, but I, I, I'm excited for this conversation tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Alright, I can't wait to talk to him. I'm gonna tell him immediately that I'm excited to talk to him.


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[Assistant] Does he have a rider? Yea, what does he need? Does he need skittles?


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[Assistant] Youtube.com forward slash The Pat McVie show. Myself and AJ Hawk, Ohio State Legend Super Bowl champion, will be interviewing Dr. Drew of MTV.


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[Assistant] And we will talk to him about how this will affect sports and sex life.


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[Assistant] Dr. David Drew, live tomorrow, 1 o'clock.


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[Assistant] Eastern standard sharp on the phone, won't be able to see him. Could be an impersonator, but we'll still have the brain of Dr. David Drew. Pinsky. Dave Pinsky. What?


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[Assistant] Dave Drew Pinsky. He's a doctor with his middle name?


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[Assistant] Alright, so Dr. Dave Pinsky will be joining us tomorrow at 1 o'clock Eastern Standard Time sharp.


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[Assistant] By the way, this could be a big interview, like we could get some real answers out of Dr. Drew.


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe you'll hear something from like the FBA, FDA, and maybe like a doctor will created something, a pharmacy vaccine, a vaccine or something. Maybe that'll break on our show at 102. Yes. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You can hope with one hand and shit in the other. See which one I have.


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[Assistant] What's that say? That's a saying. That is a saying. Everybody knows that's a cliche.


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[Assistant] AJ, you've heard it from a coach. Please finish it. You can hope in one end and shit in the other. Hmm. This show's over. Run the thing.


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[Assistant] By the way, McPhee Hawk, primetime sports talk, going live, night of draft one. Is that accurate?


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[Assistant] It'll be a little watch along with your friends, uh, AJ Hawk and Pat Maxey.


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[Assistant] Uh, just got drafted. He's with his high school sweetheart and his parents. Chad, how you feeling? Oh, I feel good, thank you. And in the background you hear his drunk friends.


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[Assistant] Hiding in the back room. It would be very hard not to have your whole crew. It'd be very, I mean look, I mean it'd be very difficult.


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[Assistant] I mean, I understand that they have to due to health reasons and-


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[Assistant] Obviously this is much bigger than just a draft, but man, your entire life, you work for this weekend, your entire life. Everything you've ever done is like hoping one day to potentially make it as a professional. And then now it's like.


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[Assistant] Well tell them to fucking watch on ESPN if they want to see you get your ass a big boy. I know they've been with you since the beginning, but lock them up in their house, you lock up in your house. I don't think a lot of guys are going to listen.


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[Assistant] Private planes can happen now, can't it? There's still commercial flights.


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[Assistant] Probably just cash, if I had to guess. Just stacks of cash.


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[Assistant] You guys think he's going full suit? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Full suit. I can't wait to see Gedell's beard. Does Gedell have a beard from the quarantine?


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[Assistant] I need to watch that. It's like a four part documentary, isn't it? Joe Exotica, Framed.


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[Assistant] Oh, I'm gonna watch it. Yeah, and you know when that happened and there was all these, there was like legit tigers, lions, panthers roaming around because the dude opened up the gates and shot himself, I think, the guy who had like this backyard zoo basically. And then people were outraged.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Well yeaah, I'm glad they got that cleared up. They're starting to make some more laws and rules on the types of animals I think you're allowed to have on your own property. I think it's state by state.


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[Assistant] Is, is the person that has big tigers in their backyard stranger than say the 62 year old lady that has 14 indoor cats? Yes. Which is worse?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm telling you, it's crazy. It costs a bunch of money though too. How do these people make enough money? Like where do they make their money to just keep these things fed and housed?


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[Assistant] Uh oh. I haven't seen Joe Exotic, oh I only saw the first 20 minutes I believe. Is he, I figured this was gonna be like a grizzly man situation where he gets eaten at the end, kind of on camera. They tried.


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[Assistant] No, but I do know of his story. Is that a good movie? Yea, I like the movie.


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[Assistant] AJ, do you know who Bob McGinn is? McGinn?


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[Assistant] He suggests that the Packers trading up for Jordan Love was a power move by Matt LaFleur, who has simply had enough of Rodgers' act, and the Love Pick would gain leverage with their Imperial quarterback.


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[Assistant] Gain what kind of leverage? I don't know, I mean. Imperial.


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[Assistant] This is like, this is what that draft pick does. This is gonna happen all the time now.


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[Assistant] It's a great time up here right now, minus the, uh, 8,000 cases of coronavirus that we have. Uh, but yeah, Metro Detroit, man. Midwest boy all my life. Loving life, buddy. Stuff inside, it's going great.


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[Assistant] I gotta tell you, I think being drafted to Green Bay for me was, uhm, a blessing only because I got to go into it.


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[Assistant] Group of guys on the offensive line that were veteran. A lot of guys that AJ played with.


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[Assistant] Uhm, kind of teach me how to be a professional and 2011 was my third year.


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[Assistant] Going into that year, we all remember the lockout. We had just won the Super Bowl and kind of sitting at home all year, knowing that we had just lost Darren College, our starting left-guard free agency to Arizona. That was the one spot that was open on the line that year. And I kind of told myself, this might be my last chance.


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[Assistant] We had a long chat about taking things more serious and focusing and trying to be more of a professional and went into training camp that year with just a big chip on the shoulder and wanted to start in left guard spot and was lucky enough to start my last six years in Green Bay.


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[Assistant] With the numerous conversations I had with my coaching staff, um, cause a couple of them actually lived in the same building as me my first two years when I was partying, which come to find out they didn't really enjoy that very much.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think the best advice I got when I was a young guy was, and this didn't come from AJ, I can promise you that. I was a single guy, you know, and it was such a small town that you start noticing every time you go out, you just start seeing the same people and the same people.


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[Assistant] I think that was the first time in my career where I kind of went through a full-blown culture change. You know, obviously in Green Bay there we kind of had what we had. We knew we were good every single year and it was just a matter of


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[Assistant] You know, this is a no BS type crew, man. You know, they're going to come in. They want to run things their way. They want the leaders on the team to be, um, the same and kind of have the same message. We don't want to have any stranglers out there that are doing their whole thing, own thing in the locker room and dividing the team any, any, any ways, which, you know, I didn't have a problem with. It's just a different, um,


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[Assistant] You know, strategy than some other guys. Uhm, it was, it was difficult, I would say.


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[Assistant] Being a 10-year vet at that time, uhm, the expectations in practice and training camp, uh, every single day was full pads, every single day you're conditioning after practice. Uhm, as a 10-tier guy, as a 32-year-old guy, I was like,


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[Assistant] Dude, I'm just trying to stay healthy for Sunday, you know, so I had a couple of conversations with coach Patricia on the side and it turns out, I like him a lot. He's a really good dude. It just was a feel of kind of that patriot. This is more of a job and more of a business rather than.


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[Assistant] Right about that time he came in, whether it was, you know, his, his change of philosophy or just kind of my body breaking down. That was the first year for me where football actually felt like a job and I didn't have as much fun as I was used to.


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[Assistant] We're going to start winning these games. It's going to, it's going to be a, it's going to be a good trade off because if this sucks in training camp and it's this hard and the days are so long and whatever, it's going to pay off, man. We're going to win. And then we go out week one against the Jets on Monday night football and absolutely get throttled. And I think from that point was kind of like.


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[Assistant] In more himself a little bit, uhm, which was good because that's what the guys want, you know. Especially the older guys, you can't BS the older guys. They've been around long enough, they've seen everything. Guys respect you the most when you're just yourself, you know. And you're just, you're just a good guy to be around. And I saw a change in the team where,


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[Assistant] We didn't really start winning, you know, a whole lot more games, but the guys started buying in man and the guys were starting to lay it out on the line. And the one thing that I would always ask guys on the opposing team after we played.


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[Assistant] Especially this year with what, you know, ownership has kind of come out about you guys got to win this year. So it'll be an interesting, interesting drafts and hopefully leading up to the season. I think they all know what's kind of what's going on and what the expectations are.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I don't want to say bragging because Coach Patricia is like the last dude who would ever brag about anything he's done, but it was more of this...


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[Assistant] kind of big stature, you know, wow, this is the guy who's won so many Super Bowls and it's the guy who's coached so many good players. Um, wow, you know, he's got a, he's got a good reputation behind him. And then you start hearing the.


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[Assistant] You know, much more than just a couple days. I think once we kind of got everything off our chest as the leadership committee, uh, to coach, I think, you know, it seemed like everybody was on the same page going forward. We just, we just didn't, unfortunately didn't win many games that year.


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[Assistant] I wasn't a starter at the time, so I kind of rode the backs of AJ and Clay and Aaron Rodgers and those guys.


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[Assistant] Collection, you know, and, and that wore off on me. I think it was very contagious with a lot of other guys on the team was, you know, having four or five bad plays wasn't good enough, you know, just simply wasn't good enough. That's going to be the one.


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[Assistant] Biggest fear playing with guys like Aaron and AJ and the older guys who were so good was I didn't want to let these guys down. You know, I wasn't afraid.


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[Assistant] Because I'm going against freaks and Sue and Justin Smith and just these animals across from me. I know I'm going to have a couple bad plays, but if I can consistently...


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[Assistant] I think he's just that type of guy. And honestly, I think, uh, playing with Matthew Stafford for two years was kind of the same guy. He wants to kind of just live his life and, uhm, is sort of...


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[Assistant] You know, doesn't really be in the spotlight 24 7. So I think with Aaron, I mean, he's a guy where, you know, you could go two months without talking to him. And then for the next two days, you're just, you know, calling back and forth, texting back and forth. I think it just kind of comes with the territory, but he's a guy, I think he definitely cares about, um, all of his teammates and.


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[Assistant] Slaughterhouse, that drink right there. How do you know Mike McCarthy's from Pittsburgh? Cause he tells you.


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[Assistant] I love Mike. I think he's gonna, I think he's set up for success in Dallas. He's got a veteran group down there, especially on the offensive side of the ball with, I mean, who knows, we'll see what happens with Dak.


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[Assistant] He gets, he can get the team fired up. You know, I think he, he's a guy when he sits there in teams, team meetings, the night four games, I used to tell him, you should do these speeches.


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[Assistant] You can tell when people are faking passion, you know, you can tell when somebody's BS in their message and it's, you know, you just, it doesn't come off right.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's just how it goes. So Mike, Mike, I think that's his best, best asset that he brings as a head coach is, is getting the guys to play for him, making them want to not let him down on Sundays. I think that's, that's a huge factor in what NFL coaches have to do now, because on the other side,


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[Assistant] Like kind of what we went with Patricia for a little bit was we wanted to go perform at a high level so he wasn't bitching at us. You know, with Mike, it was kind of, we want to go perform at a high level because man, he, this guy's passionate. You know, we want to, we want to win this thing for him.


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[Assistant] His career definitely would have been wasted. I think the type of things that he's gone through in Detroit from the


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[Assistant] You know, different guy from a star quarterback type of level, almost seems like a Cali surf bro type of guy. He's one of us. That's just like, whatever, let's do it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, wish I could have played with him longer, you know, with body broke down, but he, he's just, uh, such a fearless guy, man. You see the pain that he plays through, the injuries that he plays through.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they're inspirational, man, and it wears off on the rest of the team. It kind of sets that pain management level saying,


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[Assistant] You know, crap man, I got a sprained ankle. Stafford's over there with broken bones in his back and he's still out there playing. Man, I gotta, I gotta get my ass out there. You know, I think that's contagious to a team and definitely such a good example. So.


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[Assistant] I'll always be a Lifetime Stafford fan, man. He's one of the best guys and best teammates you could possibly ask for.


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[Assistant] I don't know. There's been some years where you get in the playoffs at eight and eight. There's some years it takes 11 wins to get in. So uhm, I think if they get to nine or 10 wins and show a lot of obviously drastic improvement that they can show management that they're going in the right way. And I think that would be a good starting point. I think another


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[Assistant] Six, seven win season, um, might be just enough from ownership. They might want to bring somebody else in because when you have.


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[Assistant] You know, kind of getting up there a long time in the NFL. So I'm rooting for them, man. I think they can get over the hump just because you look at what they did last year was one of the weirdest years I've ever seen out of an NFL team where they've had a lead in almost every single game and yet they lost, you know, 12 of them in type one. So devastating.


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[Assistant] Playing in Green Bay for so long and playing with Detroit, obviously I have a pretty big hatred, being from Detroit, pretty big hatred for Chicago sports. So I would say most of my bashing, uhm, usually comes


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[Assistant] That's just kind of what I do. It's been that way for a long time. It goes back to the old black hawks, red wings rivalry, which, um, hasn't been there in the past five years. So can't mention that. But anyways, I put out a tweet about.


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[Assistant] Not trying to bash Jimmy Graham per se, but it was more just trying to get the Chicago fans around him. Uhm, anyways, pro football talk, you know, Mike Florio, great friend of mine, great guy, uhm, wrote an article about how he thinks it's unfair to ask, you know,


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[Assistant] Okay, that was the whole article. Uhm, I think he called me a meathead in it while he was writing, which, you know, no offense taken. I actually take that as a compliment.


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[Assistant] But then, you know, this Warren Sharp guy puts out this video and so I kind of sent it back to Pro Football Talk saying, is this what you meant by, you know, this is totally unfair to ask me a tight end to, uh, at least try to put a hand on somebody. Never got a response. So still waiting. I'll let you know when I hear back.


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[Assistant] I'm absolutely with you. I think when you look at the type of player he is and how dynamic he can be, uhm,


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[Assistant] I don't know, it just doesn't really make a lot of sense. I don't know if teams are just kind of turned off by his, uhm, sort of characteristic, the charisma that he brings, the post-game outfits that he wears, kind of the attention that he always brings with himself. Uhm, the one thing I can only think of though is the health, you know, concerns that, that is better going on.


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[Assistant] If you're holding my hand to the fire, right, my hand to the fire, say, and picking Nick Poles or Cam Newton right now, I'm picking Cam Newton probably 10 out of 10 times.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, the chemistry is number one on the level of importance, I think, to have success as a group. Uhm, you know, as a young guy I watched.


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[Assistant] Mark Towscher leave and Chad Clifton leave. Uhm, those guys were in years 11 and 12. So you kind of knew that, you know, their careers were winding down. And as a young guy, you have a totally different output, right? Now you're saying, hey, you know, finally I got a chance to go, go prove myself, but it's one, it's one of your buddies, one of your best friends, like,


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[Assistant] 2016 Josh sitting getting cut the last day of training camp. Uhm, it just totally blindside you and you're saying, man, this has been my running mate for.


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[Assistant] Uh, elder statesman kind of the, of the offense and as the offensive line, I'm not ready for that. I, you know, Josh and I, we always had the same attitude, the same approach to work. It's fun kind of when you have the same guy right there that you can play with and, and, uh, just look forward to seeing each other every day. So it was incredibly difficult, not only from the standpoint of losing one of your best friends, but


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[Assistant] That's a big ass hole we got to left guard. We got to fill now and, and hopefully the next guy is ready for it because that's those big shoes, man. There's a lot of expectation that come with playing that position. Uhm, so it was, it was definitely tough. I think it took me probably


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm sorry, that was in my beginning of my eighth year. That was my first taste of business like football where.


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[Assistant] You had to like golf a really good player. Not only was he a really good player, but he was also one of my best friends on the unit. It was extremely difficult. And I kind of, I felt bad about it because the guy who took his spot, Lane Taylor, was a young player in his third year, kind of coming up like I had earlier in my career. And I kind of,


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[Assistant] It's very important to my success and what we were trying to do as a team. So I felt like a dick after a while, but it's just part of the business, man. That was the first time I think I actually went through it where it really stung, man. It stung deep. I actually shed tears over it and it hurt really hard.


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[Assistant] Oh man, I don't know. She's kind of scary. I don't know if I'd want to mess with her. Very scary. Very, very scary. You know, and honestly, actually rewatching the documentary now for the second time, uhm, you kind of pick up on some things that you missed the first time. All seven parts?


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[Assistant] I think Carol definitely had something to do with it, but her dad kind of seemed like the guy who might have actually done the dirty work because


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[Assistant] Brain starts working a little bit. I watch Live PD and Dateline. I got questions too. Dude, I got a lot of questions, but listen man, if like, if, if your friend says, says, hey, I'm leaving tomorrow, I'm gonna be gone for a while, would you report him missing the next day?


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[Assistant] Great, you know, three stadiums we got down there, got a bunch of good little Greek restaurants, Greek town casino. We've got three casinos downtown, which is, uh.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not really a blackjack type guy. I'm more of a minus three type guy over the 48.


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[Assistant] Rewatching some of the games from last year, the playoffs. You watched Tom Brady in the game against Tennessee. He did not look good, man. Like just like.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I mean, Pat, I know you're, you're on the Tom Brady train and you still think he's a good deep ball thrower. Hard. Hard. Tell me!


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[Assistant] Larger than my figure that raises, elevates the rest of your roster and what the expectations are. I think they will benefit definitely from having, having him that way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I'm definitely with you. I was just thinking that in my head as you were talking was the teams that are going to strive, I think are your Kansas City Chiefs who there's not a lot of turnover on that roster. Obviously the playbooks probably going to be the exact same. You know, the expectations are going to be high. They just won the Superbowl. Kind of reminds me of


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[Assistant] Age back after we won the super bowl and we missed all the whole off season. You know, we didn't show up until training camp. We came in that year and went 15 and one.


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[Assistant] The Niners are going to have a head start. I think New England is going to struggle. I think Dallas, although with all the talent they have, might struggle a little bit because it's going to be a new scheme with.


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[Assistant] Coach McCarthy is going to want to change some things up to what he likes. So definitely, you're absolutely right, man. The teams that are staying together with the same coaching staff and the same returning, the majority of the core players are definitely going to have a head start when this thing is all said and done.


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[Assistant] That's very well possible that it could have still happened. If D. Podesta comes out and says it's false. Of course, if it's known.


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[Assistant] Hello, how's it going? It is Monday, April 27th. You are watching McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk. I am an analyst.


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[Assistant] The, all the wrappers and piss bottles and things of that nature.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's probably to keep them fresh, if I had to guess.


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[Assistant] What? No, no, no. I was talking about the electrifying conversation that I got to listen to while I was taking a piss in the bathroom right over here. I had my ears in so I could still hear you even though I was a little bit of a way.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, but you didn't piss one time, not one time. Those are the people that hang out in the pool all day. When you're on vacation, they don't get out one time. It's like, oh, they're just pissing on everybody. And then you realize yourself, would I rather walk?


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[Assistant] A quarter mile to go to the bathroom? Would I rather walk into the ocean where I could potentially get attacked? Or do I just walk into this piss pool that everybody else has been pissing in and then I do it. And I think I need to know how you handled a four and a half hour show without peeing one time.


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[Assistant] You know, there are some people who like playing the way they drink for games and shows and stuff like that, commentators. Legit.


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[Assistant] I wanna let you know, I've seen it, I've heard it. Michael Cole, WWE. They got like a WrestleMania for seven hours or whatever, they have a three hour show. He like, he told me like, oh you got a plan when you're drinking the water. So I was like, really?


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[Assistant] Cuz I would just house water right up until we get on the air and then I'll have to piss every single TV timeout.


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[Assistant] Thursday night, those Thursday nights, I was sprinting to bathrooms on the other side of the uhm, like whatever the media thing is. Every single TV break. I have a small bladder, but I think you pee into those urinated bottles. I think you do.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's recap what the teams did do. I said this earlier today and a couple people came after me and I feel like a lot of people probably agreed with me. I think with the draft, you can get better or you can stay the same. I didn't know that you could get worse.


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[Assistant] And I think the Packers got worse. I think the Green Bay Packers somehow, in the middle of a quarantine, in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, made their team worse. And let me tell you why.


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[Assistant] There's no real pick that makes them better. There's no real pick that takes them to the Super Bowl next year. They didn't even address the defense which gave up 300 yards rushing. But what they did do


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[Assistant] I would assume, and this is just me, I have not talked to the man, but if I am me, they do that to me, and I, I know there's only a couple years left and I'm like, come on man, like let's try to win right now. I'd be fucking pissed. So the only thing they did this weekend was figure out a way to piss off the franchise quarterback.


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[Assistant] I think this is going to be tough for LaFleur to figure out here. Four years they got with Aaron still. Four!


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[Assistant] When you're picked 30, by the way, things went well last year. Like that is, that's, that's what that means. Like, well, I just, none of it makes, none of it makes sense to me.


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[Assistant] Having a three headed backfield, there are other running backs that love it. You know, every running back I've talked to, they're like, listen,


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[Assistant] If you can give me less reps per game, so I can't figure out the game flow, that'd be much better for my running style. Just take him out of my- Now granted, I understand you're gonna have to have at least two running backs in the NFL, cause there's a lot of shots, and you need to give a guy a blow every once in a while, I understand that. But a three-headed monster,


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[Assistant] On video games, it might work. On paper, it might seem like it works. But I think every great running back that you've ever talked to or ever heard of is like, yeah, I had to kind of get in the flow of the game to see where the things were going and stuff like that. That's just something that happens. That's the difference between video games and humans. None of it makes sense. It's obviously the floor and good.


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[Assistant] Trying to prepare for the future, but it's like, you have the, you have the present, right? You have a guy. You have a guy. Everybody wishes they had a guy. You have a guy. And now you're like, meh, fuck it.


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[Assistant] Let's move forward, uh, three years from now when everybody else in the NFL is going to be doing the exact same thing we're going to be doing because Lamar Jackson is going to make Stooges think that that's just easy to do if you get the right people in there. And I guess Tannehill had success, but Derek Henry is an anomaly of somebody in the backfield. So if you just think you're going to be able to copy those offenses and have the same amount of success,


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[Assistant] While everybody else is getting used to that style of offense, and you're getting a knockoff version, no offense Jordan Love, but kind of offensive I guess. You are not Lamar Jackson if you're, ah, maybe he is.


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[Assistant] Maybe he is. Maybe they think he's Lamar Jackson and that's why they didn't think next year as the same style of offenses are in college still, they might be able to find a guy that they didn't think that they'd be able to find a guy they like more than love. The year after that, they didn't think there'd be another guy who's maybe a red shirt sophomore right now that we don't even know about. AJ just hung up there.


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[Assistant] Which by the way, it makes sense because I mean I almost got into a fight in the car the next morning after they took Jordan Luff. He's back.


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[Assistant] So it's 5G tires trying to take us down. We got somebody drilling into our roof right now. For the next couple days. Do you think they're putting in the tower?


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[Assistant] I hope that'd be very nice of you to put in the title. By the way, there's a hypothetical. Would you sacrifice the internet in this office for 40? Yeah, I would. No offense, but to get this internet a lot better than one of this. Absolutely. Oh, yeah, we take that 10 times out of 10.


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[Assistant] Ten times out of ten. Anyways, they thought they couldn't find another Jordan love in the next couple years.


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[Assistant] To figure out the new, the future of the offense. They must have loved Jordan love so damn much. Matt LaFleur had to love him so much it feels like.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Buccaneers didn't do that. The Saints signed Jameis Winston, but they didn't use their first round draft pick on it. I mean, there's a lot of, I guess there is, if you want to be a president, well, if he gets hurt, it's a big problem. I can understand that, but man.


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[Assistant] You're ju- all you did was piss off your guy! That's not a good thing to do. Speaking of piss off your guy.


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[Assistant] I guess this story is just legendary. Could you imagine if any of the shit you saw last night happened in the modern world? If any, any, just any part of it?


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[Assistant] Jerry Cross getting loose up on the plane up there. If people knew that was happening. If Dennis Rodman walks out after a game on a Miller Lite heading to a vacation, hops on his Harley. Could you imagine if that happened these days? What if Michael Jordan just got his ass kicked by the Pistons? Could you imagine?


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[Assistant] What about missing a free throw? If any of this shit happened modern day, it would be catastrophic. It would be huge out of the middle of nowhere.


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[Assistant] But Dennis Rodman taking a vacation to Vegas in the middle of a sixth championship run is absolutely insanity and absolutely fantastic that he pulled it off, made it happen and I don't want no spoilers because I mean they jump forward and then they jump back and then they jump forward and then they jump back which I enjoyed the first week.


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[Assistant] Hated last night. Absolutely hated it. But anyways, they're gonna win this. And he came back in better shape than everybody else, I guess. Rodman's just a specimen, dude. Just a specimen.


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[Assistant] While you were waiting for Rodman, okay, to pack up all his shit upstairs and move Carmen Electra out and whatever, did you go downstairs and like, I don't know, throw around 150, $200,000 on the cards table or what?


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[Assistant] You probably went the night before. I'll go get him. When do we need him? Two days from now? 48 hours? I'll be out there for at least 60 of those 80 hours he'll end up staying. Good for uhm...


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[Assistant] Good for the whole, I mean, I'm really enjoying this documentary a lot. I feel like I'm learning so much. First week?


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[Assistant] I thought, I was like, you know what, I don't respect Jordan enough in his game, which I don't think I ever did, by the way. He was doing shit that people had never seen before. So that first impression of human seeing somebody float through the sky and double pump and all that stuff was something I don't think a lot of people have seen before. So I can respect the, like, yo, this guy's a completely different animal.


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[Assistant] But then I started respecting his competitive drive and his leadership and the whole thing. He said he was going to look horrible. I don't think that's the case at all. I do, I, I was interesting to see him miss a free throw to win a game or tie up a game.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. And, and how far along are we? And did they ask that question earlier? I'm using that thing as like a minute glass almost next to him trying to see what the hell's going on.


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[Assistant] Just like I know. Those plane rides home after winds are awesome.


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[Assistant] I couldn't even imagine if it was beating the pistons for the first time after losing to them three times and getting your ass kicked. That plane ride home, it was, it was absolutely electric. Even Jerry Krauss is out there having a good time. That thing would have been upside down. I assume Packer's planes were the same exact way. Man, our planes used to be awesome.


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[Assistant] Oh, you missed it. Oh my god, those are the best times ever.


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[Assistant] Cartoon sized bottle of Crown Royal every single trip. That was just my, I had to bring that in beer. I literally had to.


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[Assistant] Uhm, mule in a lot of stuff in my bag and everything like that. Like I had, that was a job of mine.


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[Assistant] Drafting my replacement for you with four years left on my deal after we make the NFC Championship. They can't even have a good time on plane. Awww.