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[Assistant] You know, so they're going, we can find a lesser guy and then make the other positions that are more important to our scheme and making it work, do that, if that made any sense. But Calvin Joseph is, yeaah, he was one of the five or six best corners in the draft and he's gonna start right away. So now you got a corner. So you did get one. That's NFL ready, right? They got one. They got one. They got a real good one. In fact, like,


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[Assistant] I would tell you Kelvin Joseph was better than the two that went in the end of the first round. And Stokes and the kid from Northwestern, I like Joseph better. Hands down.


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[Assistant] And then a guy like Odigezua is gonna have some value on their D line. Chauncey Goldston from Iowa. They need help at all these positions. And then you heard me talk about Jabril Cox. I just look at those and just go, wow, that was a really good job by the Cowboys front office.


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[Assistant] I think what you're gonna do now is you're, Michael Parsons is gonna make Van Der Esch expendable right now. So.


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[Assistant] Like, they're going to be in nickel defense most of the time. Banderush is going to be gone. He's going to be off the field. Michael Parsons is going to play there.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, listen, I always thought Mander Esh was overdrafted. Anybody who knows me back from my Bleacher Report days, I was always like, man, that's, that was high.


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[Assistant] Hey, Jalen Smith, they took a flyer in a second round, and a guy who, you know, was a top five pick, but had a horrible knee injury. It's been good, it hasn't been great. Uhm, but yes, I think that's exactly why these guys were drafted.


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[Assistant] I think that, one, they're worried about Mander Ash and want to upgrade. Two, like I said, Jalen Smith, it wasn't like, oh my gosh, that was so amazing pie last year. It was a little less than at times.


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[Assistant] No, they did, they did. Well, the thing where the Tennessee, I think right off, I mean, come on. No, Chiefs. Oh, sorry, I'm talking about the Chiefs. See, I'm all over the place here. The Chiefs...


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[Assistant] One of the better tackles, like a top five tackle in football.


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[Assistant] One of the better centers from the draft, and they got some other guys coming back and everything like that, to where I just go, alright, you know, and Kyle Long being there and everything, to where you just go, they went from it being a serious question mark, to now it's one of the strengths of their football team.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so that's where I'm excited about it, and it's just an unbelievable transformation of one position to make sure, again, that their one unit, their offensive side, they, they wanna, they're gonna win games with Mahomes and their, their pressure they put you on, on you with their offense.


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[Assistant] I would hope there's a little more versatility. I don't know if it's going to strike too much into any new areas just because that's kind of what Andy does and that's the kind of offense they run.


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[Assistant] Maybe there'll be more of a threat to run the ball with this kind of specimens you got on the offensive line. But the big thing is, is now it's just...


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[Assistant] There's not one defensive line in football that they're gonna come across with this group and go like, oh, we gotta keep the tight end in the block.


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[Assistant] We gotta keep the tight end and the running back in the block. They're gonna be like, no, our five can take any four in football and now I can get five eligibles out.


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[Assistant] And my homes can drop back really deep and have good pass protection. And okay, maybe one guy seeps through.


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[Assistant] But he's going to be 15 yards away and see the guy seeping through and set him up and make him look like a fool when he runs by him and jukes him. And then he's going to run or throw a laser somewhere. And that's what they want to do. It's, it's, and uh, that's where it makes a lot of sense for them. And finally, the team that you were alluding


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, you know, I think, again, Caleb, Jalen, Phillips, like, once you got to that, like, 18 mark, right, it was like, everyone's like, okay, screw the medical stuff. But yes, you know, one, to get Caleb Farley,


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[Assistant] Phenomenal, right? Elijah Moldin, who, safety, nickel, whatever you want to be, gonna be playing for that team in a hurry, alright?


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[Assistant] And I think one of the reasons I want to talk about them just a little bit is just like we talked about with the Chiefs, right?


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[Assistant] Offensive line was an issue. What are we going to do? A major transformation. They got it done. Tennessee Titans. We can't stop anybody from throwing the football.


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[Assistant] What are we gonna do? Oh, we're gonna totally rehaul our secondary. And that's where I like give them a lot of credit too for these two picks. Two, you got two guys that are physically ready to contribute to your team right away. But they got you Norris Jenkins in the off season. They signed Kevin Johnson. So they've transformed


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[Assistant] One of the biggest issues with their football team in a very short period of time. I think that's what I like about it a lot. They got a tackle out of North Dakota State. We know they still want to run the ball and dominate the line of scrimmage. Tackle was a need. You know, right tackle is an issue for them right now as we sit here. So Taylor Luan coming back. So I think I like that. And then come on, man.


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[Assistant] I don't know if there's something, unless maybe that's where the NFL valued them, or if there were some medicals that I didn't know about. Cause I know, one,


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[Assistant] He was like, in day three, I was like, what? Rashad Weaver's still here? There's gotta be something here with him. Like, you know, as the draft goes or things go, I'm texting with people all around the NFL. Like, Levi owns Urique, right? You know I love him. I knew around pick 18 that he wasn't going in the first round.


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[Assistant] Cause I was texting with some friends and they were like, oh dude, he's got some medicals, I don't think he's gonna go tonight. Let's go.


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[Assistant] I don't know what Rashad Weaver is, I'd like to find that out. The other one that I was sitting there on like round four and five is my JV on Hawkins from Louisville, my running back.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, there's, there's issues there. So that's, I don't even know if he gets sent as a free agent.


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[Assistant] I think he did. Did he? Did he finally get signed? I thought I looked late yesterday and he wasn't even there anywhere. But he had off the field concerns in a major way. Okay. Uh, so that hurts it. But back to the titan. Sorry to change it. Yes. So you change your secondary around. You get a Bud Dupree.


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[Assistant] They got Deniko Autry. And now you get Rashad Weaver, who was one of the better pass rushers of college football last year. I mean, to me, that's just, those are, again, just contribute now, needs for the football team, and that's why I like it.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Listen, Wednesday, check back in. I'll try to figure out and like, figure out. Like I told y'all, I can dig and find these things out. Uhm, I know with Hawkins head. Went to the Falcons.


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[Assistant] No, it was not a great class at tight ends. Uh, interesting that he went there too. That's a good spot. That's one of the teams I would say can evaluate tight ends.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, I don't know. The ones I'm most intrigued by there are again, I'd like to find out with Weaver, JVon Hawkins, and Ardarius Washington for sure. Listen, I know through the process,


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[Assistant] People were like, I had a lot of fun conversations with some friends about Ardarius Washington. So for him to not get drafted, there's gotta be something else there. And what a spot to be. Of course the Ravens got him. Another shock for me was, uh,


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[Assistant] There is something there and I don't know what it is. I don't know the specifics, but yeaah. You know, when you're medical issues, little medical issues where I don't think kids were like huge.


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[Assistant] But then you're 215 pounds playing linebacker and I think some of the NFL community is like, wait, is he a linebacker or a safety in the bot? Like what exactly is, I think that's what led him to fall there, but wow. I mean, that's amazing that the Browns got him in the second round. Amazing.


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[Assistant] Leatherwood has first round traits.


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[Assistant] He does. So, I mean, I had him going to the Ravens at the end of the first. Yea. Right? There is a need for the football team here.


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[Assistant] You heard, if you listen to Mike Mayock, I mean, it sounds like Tom Cable was ready to stand on a table and a podium and everything else. He loved Leatherwood.


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[Assistant] And dominant at that, he really has the potential to be a really, really special right tackle.


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[Assistant] I don't know what happened a little with him in his past protection this year in Alabama, but obviously it's nothing physically where you're like, well, his feet are bad or he's not strong enough or anything like that. He had this, this, this bad habit this year of like locking out his arms and being like, I'm so strong. I don't even have to move my legs anymore and even stop them for a second. And people kept going around them.


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[Assistant] To where you were like, what the hell is wrong with this guy this year? So I think the big thing there is just


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[Assistant] If I was going to be critical is, and we don't know, but was there a trade down opportunity? That's again where you're just like knowing the board, right? And having a feel. But if you thought he was good enough to go at the end of


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[Assistant] When you already have a, a MO for doing that, as in Damon Arnett from last year, or Cleland Ferrell the year before that, there's a microscope on it now. So I think that's what makes it even, you know, pop to people more.


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[Assistant] Where was Gruden in the meeting, the draft room, round one? Yeaah. Did you notice that he was there? Yeaah, maybe he took the day off. I just thought that was curious that there's no Gruden in the draft room.


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[Assistant] Exactly, yeaah, I mean the Saints, it's not that I want to sit here and again, I don't want to say any of these are bad, I don't look at it like bad, but Peyton Turner at the end of first round,


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[Assistant] You know, would I rather have an Ojolari or something, or Trion, who were drafted after him? Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I would rather have them.


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[Assistant] I think like, I don't know, I think I said he was somebody that would go between 40 and 60 when I was doing like my evaluation of that position and everything like that.


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[Assistant] True, like, get off. He's a twitchy, pretty explosive athlete. He's stiff as an athlete. He's very upright and straight and since he's very high cut and high waisted too.


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[Assistant] He can get knocked off balance and be on the ground a little bit more than you would like for a guy that you take it, you know, at, at pick 28. But yeaah, I mean, Joe Trion, Ojolari, uh, Rousseau from Miami, you know, I think all were,


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[Assistant] The ones that I probably, if you put McGunn to my head, I'd go, I'd rather have those guys than, than Peyton Turner.


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[Assistant] I was surprised he was the first guy off the board, you know, out of the big five. I was.


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[Assistant] I don't really see, and again, this is why, I don't see Kyle Traskis ever being a starting quarterback in the NFL. I just, I don't, I don't see that. You know, that's, that's where I find it curious. Obviously, you know, Bruce Arians and company see other things there. Uhm, but, you know, why don't you? Like, not mobile.


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[Assistant] Like, I mean, people want to talk about Kellen Ma, I mean, uh, Mack Jones, like, I mean, come on, this is, this is a prehistoric dinosaur moving in the pocket compared to Mack Jones.


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[Assistant] This guy's awesome. Yeaah, well they had a good team. And, you know, when I did the quarterback rankings and all that anyways, I mean...


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[Assistant] They found nine million ways to throw the same route. That's all he ever throws. There's some form of a fade down the left or right sideline. They just...


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[Assistant] Are we gonna pick for the slot guy? Is the running back gonna do it? Are we gonna have the receiver run a fake slant and then get there? It's all the same thing, but it's below average arm, it's below average athlete, and yes, he's got good size, but


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[Assistant] Like I said, at times, you know, he throws off his back foot and so much and all this stuff too. I just wanna go, what's the point of being that big if you're not just gonna stand in there and deliver the throw with your legs underneath you and all that type of stuff. So I just don't see it. That's all I'm saying. You know, you know my feelings. Yes, I think Kellen Mann blows him out of the water. Uhm, but they obviously saw the difference.


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[Assistant] No, not this year. Hey, Kirk Cousins is a real good quarterback.


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[Assistant] Let's not forget that just because they drafted a quarterback in the round three. But what he is going to do this year is going to open up eyes in that organization because they're going to go, whoa.


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[Assistant] Man, okay, stronger arm, quicker release than Kirk Cousins. Whoa, faster than Kirk Cousins. And, and then fits within the way I think, I think it's a perfect fit, like a system fit again, where, oh, play action, throw the ball down the field with power and accuracy, that's right up his alley.


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[Assistant] And then throwing on the run off the boo legs and all those type of things, he's phenomenal on the run. And he knows how to take care of the football and do all those type of things, which is probably why they like them too. Cause there's Mike Zimmer going, but this guy kind of understands how to manage the game a little bit as well. Uhm, so I don't think this is about this year, but.


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[Assistant] Two years from now, that could be a conversation. I mean, it's gonna depend on how this year goes and everything like that. But as I said to like Florio this morning, see, cousins


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[Assistant] Is, unless you're going deep into the playoffs or Super Bowl, is always gonna be one of those guys that people are looking to replace. He is. You know, cause there's not that elite trait that everyone goes, oh wow, it's awesome. And then, he does need


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[Assistant] A little system help, like we've talked about, where, you know, yeaah, if the play's not there, he can't be like Mahomes or Josh Allen and extend a play and make something happen. That's not his, like, strength. So, this is where Mond will have a little bit of an advantage on him there, and yeaah, it'll be interesting. It's a great pick by them, I think, just for the future, knowing he's got two years left on his contract.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not, I'm not, but you know, where I won't fault them was, the biggest need on their football team was probably middle line. It was middle line, not probably, it was. So yeaah, for me, is that overdrafting them? Sure.


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[Assistant] Now, the guys, special athlete, there's no doubt about that. So, I mean, I'm not mad at them for taking them there, you know. And I'm, again, I think I'm one of the guys that's more in the minority with that. To get Cosmai from Texas, they needed some offensive line help. You know, him at tackle, I really like that. But man, De'Ami Brown.


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[Assistant] It's like history repeated itself with Terry McLaurin. It's what they got here. They got, now you got.


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[Assistant] Now you got him to add to the effect with old Ryan Fitzpatrick pulling the trigger. I just hope he doesn't get too aggressive and is just like, I'm throwing it deep every play. And he throws seven interceptions. But yes, I, I, you know me. I love, love that pick.


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[Assistant] You know, even the tackle, Brady Crenshenson from Brigham Young's a good player. But yea, to get Terris Marshall at the end of round two, and now again, just like we were just talking about with Washington, you're like, what? Now you're gonna pair him with Robbie Anderson and DJ Moore? Like holy sh-


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[Assistant] And they know Terrace Marshall. Joe Brady was at LSU two years ago. Yeah, that's true. So he's gonna know exactly what he's got. He's gonna have a role for him. So that's where I love that. Talked about the online, now you got Tommy Tremble too.


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[Assistant] Tommy Tremble, hey, you know, you know I love him at the tight end. He's a use check. He could be Kerry Kittle. I mean, uh, George Kittle. I don't, anyway there, but he's gonna be a pain in the ass for personnel matchups. That's the big thing. And then even later in the round, like, hey, Chubba Hubbard?


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[Assistant] Fourth round or end of fourth round. I like, I like that. You know, there's some value to him.


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[Assistant] He's got some shiftiness and some balance to him that's special. The Davion Nixon kid they took out of Iowa. He's a real athletic interior defensive lineman. Yeaah, I don't like J.C. Hornadate. I know that. I'm definitely in the minority there. Obviously, I get it. Uhm, but, but I'll, I'll say this and


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[Assistant] Hopefully I'm wrong for their case or his case. I'm rooting for him. That's not against him, but he fits with what the everything they've said about defense all along. We want, you know, length.


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[Assistant] You know, length and speed. And that's, you know, J.C. Horn is a big, long corner. And they want long linebackers and long defensive ends. And that's the way they are going to play football. So it makes sense. Jeremy Chin, it's safety. You got him. He's long. Uhm, so there's at least a vision there that I could get behind.


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[Assistant] Where he really has a chance to succeed. You know, I think their offensive line, yea, it's not perfect, but I think it's going to be better this year. McCaffrey will be back. And you talk about these receivers. Yea, the Panthers are, are, like, okay, we just had to say,


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[Assistant] Teams who didn't make the playoffs, who are threats to make it the most next year, right? Hey Miami, definitely, right? I think...


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[Assistant] Carolina is gonna be one of those teams I'm gonna put a mark next to.


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[Assistant] Denver is kinda one of those teams I look at to go watch out.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, I wanna sit here and even tell you the 49ers, watch out. Alright, maybe I'm not as bullish on them. But I mean, man, this is where it's gonna be an exciting year. Detroit Lions? I mean, watch out for them. Not quite yet. 2022?


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[Assistant] No, I mean, you're right, I'm still gonna go with Washington, I think is in the leader house for me as far as that division, but like the Giants will be a pain in the ass for sure. And yea, the Dallas, I mean, the Dallas, you know, has got some things you look at, but no, I think the ones that, like Miami, New England.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Carolina, the Broncos, the Chargers. I think if you tell me about like four teams who didn't make it last year that I go watch out for this year, I think those are the ones I'd jump out.


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[Assistant] I wasn't sure if they would, right. That's why I had them kinda fallin' past there, is I just wasn't sure. I would think this gives them this year, I think it's only gonna, it adds one more year to their tenure, for sure. Like, okay this year, Andy Galton, blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's just, it's as soon as there's an inkling to move in fields, they're gonna do it. They gotta do it. You know, but I think it buys them the 2022 season for sure. That's, that's as far as I'll go. I don't know if it definitely buys them 2023, you know, but where it does is 2022,


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[Assistant] He plays, and if it just shows any signs of being good or anything, they might just go, let's stick with it and see what 2023 is.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's another thing where I, I mean, again, we can get into that conversation just a little here real quick, because I know we want to wrap this up, but like, you talk about him at 11, and I just want to go...


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[Assistant] Who did they think was gonna pick him before 20? That's just right, like there's no, I-


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[Assistant] There's no way the Patriots are taking Justin Fields. There's no way. From the information I have, there's no way. So it'd be one of those things too where I'd go, maybe Washington, maybe they were worried about them, and that's why they make that move.


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[Assistant] Vikings, yep. Florio's been saying he thinks the Vikings were involved there. So yeaah, I don't know. But it's going to be certainly interesting to watch. Fields, how they're going to incorporate him in that offense, everything like that. You know, we know the fan base is going to be clamoring for him because Andy Dalton's not going to excite them.


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[Assistant] Just Justin Fields from Ohio State, a national championship contender, and he's a specimen. So I would think all those things are going to lead the Chicago fan base to even put the pressure on the Bears more to get him out there quickly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, don't just take last year after Covid with Cam Newton. Cam Newton came in the league.


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[Assistant] He played Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers rookie year as the only time ever I've seen Aaron Rodgers after a game sprint over to the other quarterback and go like, that was amazing what you were doing there today. I thought I was the only guy in football that could do that. You threw like a 60 yard post, like falling backwards for a touchdown. I'm the only guy that's supposed to be able to do that.


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[Assistant] And then last year it started off throwing it really good.


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[Assistant] And then COVID hit, and of course yeaah, it fell apart. So don't, don't.


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[Assistant] I'm not ready to sit here and tell you Cam Newton's a horrible thrower yet. I'm not. I'm not ready and I don't think New England is either. And there definitely wasn't those concerns at all with him coming out. Cam, like, doesn't have a hit, there's issues with his


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[Assistant] Throwing no doubt about it, but again, he doesn't have a hitch in his giddy up that I know what scared me with Justin Fields and a whole bunch of other teams.


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[Assistant] So that's the big thing. Cam can let it go. Cam can let it go really up top here and everything. Like he doesn't do a lot of wrong things. At times he can get like this and just try to overpower it and he doesn't like get that opposites between the lower and lower and upper half of his body.


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[Assistant] Uh, but he always keeps his arm angle. He doesn't let it wiggle and do crazy stuff like that. Uh, so he's got things to work on, I know, but it's not to the level of like what we talked about with fields.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's good. I mean, hey, he's ready physically. There's no doubt about that.


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[Assistant] That surprised me. I was wondering what they were going to do there with their offensive line and how they were going to orchestrate this. And I just want to look at it real quick if you don't mind.


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[Assistant] I would think it would be the guys they want to keep white hair, excuse me, on the inside. Uhm, but that makes me think that there might be a different plan here to where maybe a Fetty plays outside and also Jenkins play outside and now


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[Assistant] Does a Mustafar or somebody else there get to play one of those interior spots that I don't know about? That's the thing that's interesting there to me either way, but hey, they gotta improve their own line, we know that, they're trying to do that.


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[Assistant] We'll be right here. I'm gonna get Big Phil, he wants to talk on Wednesday, so we'll have him in the, in the fold. Good. And, uh, again, I just want to say great job on the Kentucky Derby, man. Thanks, man.


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[Assistant] Hope everybody enjoyed the draft. I'm sorry about misleading everybody with Mac Jones. Promise you, I didn't do it intentionally. Okay? I did not. I like being bright.


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[Assistant] We'll make it right. I'll screw the system somehow to make your money back and we'll corner the market, alright? We'll corner the market.


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[Assistant] Keep the questions coming. I'm still evaluating this draft too and digesting things and having different thoughts as I go along. Ahmed, you the man. Appreciate it. Send in the questions. Wednesday, we'll be back. Big Burmeister. Sims. Peace out. Clap it up!


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[Assistant] Uh, every day, of course. I'm trying to heal wounds with salt water.


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[Assistant] And I wear long-sleeved shirts and everything, and that's what I do, so I don't care. And I can still swim with all that on.


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[Assistant] Uh, Morehead State now is in a league called the Pioneer League, which is still the same division, but it's, uhm, uh, non-scholarship, whatever.


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[Assistant] But they put a list of all the guys that were draft, and you know what was amazing?


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[Assistant] How many of them had success? Neil Lomax. And if he doesn't get hurt, he's going to have a great career. Doug Williams.


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[Assistant] Fell apart last year, but I can't remember the rest of the list real quick, but it was pretty good. And when I looked at it, I go.


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[Assistant] Well hell, we needed to draft more guys from Division 1 AA. Right. Or what's it called now? Football? FCS. FCS, yes. I never get that straight.


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[Assistant] That was pretty cool. Just when I saw the list, it was, it was great. It did almost that. And then of course the other list. Do you get worried?


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[Assistant] About Justin Fields because Ohio State quarterbacks haven't had success. Well, let me think about that. No, stupid question. I don't know. I'm not going to team up, you know, 30 years ago to now.


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[Assistant] About a guy getting drafted out of school where they haven't worked out from there.


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[Assistant] Well, I think a lot of things that change, whatever, it just, it doesn't make sense when I hear stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, when I remember watching Dwayne Haskins, uhm, you know, I liked him, I guess you would say, but I was


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[Assistant] You know, I, I didn't think he would be an extremely high pick. I did not. Uh, yeaah, I thought he would be a first rounder, but he, I guess in...


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[Assistant] For a while, the first pick, but, uh, I remember texting a friend of mine and just saying,


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[Assistant] Man, really, after I'd watched him, I said, I'd hold back on all this. He needs to be the first or second, third pick or whatever the draft. Just hold back on that because I don't see it. And of course I didn't even know all the, the, uh,


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[Assistant] Paul, you and Christopher and me, we don't know those. We hear them from people. But so many times I've heard these things, which were not true. And then of course sometimes they are.


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[Assistant] Once I heard that, that even made me think more, and of course that, that really, that might have turned out to be the biggest factor of all.


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[Assistant] You know, when you hear things about him, didn't work hard enough, all that other stuff, you know, and if you, if you're not that guy as the quarterback, then you're not going to be that guy leading your team. That's for sure. Yeah, that's right.


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[Assistant] Oh boy, lots of thoughts. I don't know what to say. I always thought it would be Mac Jones.


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[Assistant] And I kind of understood it. I thought he fit Kyle Shanahan's offense very well.


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[Assistant] The throwing part and then the movement part, if they can move in the pocket.


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[Assistant] It's not like Mac Jones just can't run at all.


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[Assistant] But I thought he moved around very well in the pocket in Alabama.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, listen, I think, you know, a lot of things he can fit into their office. Forget the running, you know, it's, it's, yes, of course they're going to run trade lands. You know, I love that, but they act like it's just going to be this


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[Assistant] Of course, they're going to be ready for all the option reads and runs and all those things. He is tough. He is a good athlete. He's big and strong, all those things. So he's going to be part of that. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] And so, have at this, well, the defense has already


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[Assistant] And if he's not the day one starter, which I don't think he probably would be, but he'll be in there playing somewhere.


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[Assistant] You're not gonna sit him and groom him for a year or all those things. He's gonna be part of the action right away.


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[Assistant] You take advantage of nothing else but the perception always in. Everybody really be alert for


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[Assistant] You know, the place that he's gonna run, which has got whatever, the zone read, a running play for him.


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[Assistant] Or we're going to fake it and throw it quick, that kind of stuff. But yeah, I definitely see him having a role in every single game and a couple series at minimum where he'll come in and get his share of plays and, and start grooming him to, to be what?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think I'd be surprised at that, but listen.


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[Assistant] Because they know that. And, and now, you know, listen, is that pressure on Jimmy Garoppolo? Sure it is. He knows.


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[Assistant] The fans are gonna be calling for him really don't matter how well you do. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] You know how it's the media, the fans, they do that. And the lack of is all of this playing. Yeah, but that's a concern. And you know, people immediately always bring up, and I know you've talked about it, and Paul, you've said it, is the lack of playing. Well, Mac Jones only started this many games.


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[Assistant] So you could kind of see that he was getting so much work and Christopher, you and I talked about it.


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[Assistant] Throwing against number one drafted DBS, throwing the course to number one drafted wide receivers and all that we know. Yes, they had a very good offensive line, but he really accentuated that with getting rid of the football quick.


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[Assistant] Uh, making quick decisions, all those things. But look, that's all over because he didn't go to San Francisco and it was the, whatever you want to say, it worked out. I will say this, Trayland, I, you know, his toughness, all that. But when I did watch his whole season, did throw the football with good rhythm. Uh, Kent, of course we know he can throw with power.


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[Assistant] And I thought that probably the thing that surprised me most when I watched him.


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[Assistant] Is that just the fact that I know North Dakota State, I remember what watching Carson Wentz up there, but how he just really went and found the next receiver pretty quick. I thought he could throw under pressure, didn't panic in the pocket.


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[Assistant] And he could be taking a big hit with the free blitzer coming up the middle.


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[Assistant] So those were really good positives I think I saw from him when I studied him.


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[Assistant] Right. And Paul, and we've been in these conversations, I know you have, but Christopher, we thought, well, will New England look for the quarterback that's just a younger Cam Newton and kind of continue to do what they're doing or whatever?


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[Assistant] Well, they answered that question. No, they weren't looking for that guy. Maybe they were and they just weren't willing to trade up for anybody. Uh, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Mack Jones is going to fit it well, just to all the things we just talked about.


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[Assistant] He's you know, been taught extremely well at Alabama. They run a tremendous system.


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[Assistant] You know, the only thing I worry about him a little bit, and these are my two things. Yes, do I wish he was just a hair more athletic? Uh, yes. But he is good in the pocket. Uh, you know, and I hate to say that completely.


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[Assistant] And I don't know, you're throwing off balance a little and, you know, being softer.


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[Assistant] Hey man, I just want to see you drop back and let me just see you power the ball, like for real. Give it all to me. Don't anticipate and...


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[Assistant] And read it quick and all that. I wanna see some power throws, and I think that would eliminate one of my concerns for him.


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[Assistant] You know, arm strength people used to, I know, make fun of me. Oh, you overrated. And now that's all they talk about. Oh!


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[Assistant] It just came, it comes down the numbers that look at it. They don't understand that there's no criteria for a throw that.


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[Assistant] To the other group, it's open. Oh, there's a two-foot window. No problem. Wide open. And, you know, and then...


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[Assistant] You know, then you hear people, well, you know, guys with big arms take too many chances and they throw interception.


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[Assistant] That was, uh, something I used to hear. I think it came from somebody you knew really well, Christopher.


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[Assistant] That they have, you know, admit you're wrong. Hey look, admit you're wrong. I thought Kyle Trask was a day three drafted quarterback. That was what I saw in my eyes. Well, and you know, I, we talk about this all the time, Paul, Christopher and I do. You know, I, I'm mad and I didn't think he'd go in the second, the last pick of the second.


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[Assistant] Uh, so, it's not that I was that far off of staying third day, fourth round. But, uhm, Bruce Arians, gotta remember how people look at it. Bruce Arians likes big quarterbacks that stay in the pocket.


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[Assistant] And that's basically all he's ever had. And the same with Ian Book. You know, I thought Ian Book was truly...


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[Assistant] But I thought he was the fifth or sixth round draft pick because I go, well, sell me. Well, I just forgot. Oh, Sean Payton, you know, pretty athletic little quarterback. Uh, we'll get rid of the ball quick. All that.


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[Assistant] Smart as heck we know that. Went to Notre Dame, I don't care if you...


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[Assistant] They give you passes another day and that classwork is still tough. And I heard you're doing the spring game. Paul, you did a great job.


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[Assistant] Oh, thank you. I watched that. That was a lot of fun. Thanks. And, uh, you know, so yeah, I love hearing Paul Christopher.


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[Assistant] Well, I just kinda liked it too because the, you respect it because you played quarterback. Right. But, you know, everybody else is just going, how, how could you? This guy sucks!


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I'm sorry to keep interrupting. Sean Payton designs an offense.


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[Assistant] Just being able to process, get rid of the football and be accurate.


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[Assistant] John Gruden has done the same. You know that. He designed his offense for himself.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know what I thought. I just thought John, uh, Sean Payton just was... I always get that itch and we talked about this too.


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[Assistant] That they want to maybe try to go to a new style of offense. Right.


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[Assistant] Nobody's gonna do it as good as you, because it's all your thoughts, and you can teach them all you want.


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[Assistant] But it's still not you that originated. So all these guys that lead both of these coaches, you know, to me, hey, they can be successful, which we've seen with Matt LaFleur, but it's still not Kyle Shanahan. Right.


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[Assistant] Three starting, I'm just making it up, I can't remember. Three starting linemen, Gronk's out, Edelman's out.


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[Assistant] This guy's out, all the, and I didn't get a chance to talk to Josh McDaniels the night before.


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[Assistant] Josh, you know, I feel bad. You know, you're going out here and he goes, Oh no, this is great. I mean, you know, so much fun, you know, cause we really got to really think and do a lot.


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[Assistant] And really use our brain power, well not our brain power, but just to do this, to give our team a chance. And this list has really been, and I can hear the excitement in him. And you know, that they're just gonna make it.


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[Assistant] They're going to coach it up so much that they're going to give these reserves all the chance to win just like they do their starters.


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[Assistant] And you know, the funny thing is, they went out there and won the game. And I'm telling you.


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[Assistant] That kind of tells you about them and why they've been successful all these years and you get it done no matter what and who's playing. Always guys are out somewhere in their football team.


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[Assistant] It hasn't been, it's amazing how they've been so fortunate over the years. And everything, you know, they'll have a storm on Saturday, Sunday's nice. But you know, weather, you know, in the Southeastern Conference,


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[Assistant] You're playing a lot of good weather. Right. And you know, in New England and you're playing, you still got Buffalo on the Jets. So you've got, there's 10 games a year where.


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[Assistant] But no, I thought he threw the ball, honestly, I mean this too. I thought he threw it with much power.


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[Assistant] I mean, come on, he paired it with the style line and even Bruce Arians is going, cause, you know, I got to see the, the mic'd up stuff at Showtime. And Bruce Arians goes, I could just see it in Bruce. Man, out of the way to Hank.


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[Assistant] Yeah, look, he's the next quarterback and he's had a lot of good guys, but he knew it was a special play by Tom Brady. Yeah, no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's a, that's a really good one. Uhm, of course, look, same thing really, even more so, much more.


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[Assistant] In Chicago than San Francisco. They can't get him in there fast enough.


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[Assistant] And, and I, I mean, it wouldn't shock me if week two or three he's the starting quarterback. May, cause again, he's going to get more than a share of reps in practice.


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[Assistant] They're going to pressure, you know, everything to try to get him going. And they want him to be the starter as, you know, as soon as possible. So.


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[Assistant] There won't be any, oh, we're winning and all that with Jimmy Garoppolo. We're going to keep it the same. This is get him on the field.


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[Assistant] And try to have as good a year as possible for many reasons. One, you moved up the draft.


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[Assistant] You know, the coaching staff and everybody, their situations and all that, which I hear constantly, but also.


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[Assistant] Now, you know too, when you look at Matt Nagy, can he, what would he design and what would he do?


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[Assistant] Absolutely unbelievable. They look disproportionate to his body. And uh, so his running is gonna come in handy. Hey, you know too?


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[Assistant] He played in Columbus, not the greatest of weather most of the time, but Chicago's, I think, a whole other thing too.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it'll, it'll just be interesting to the offense they designed for him, what they do, but it will be all about him. And, uh, Andy Dalton, look, you're getting paid well.


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[Assistant] And I, I think he would, he understands the situation and I don't think there's much that he can do to keep himself in the lineup too long.


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[Assistant] And I just go, Trubisky really, really wouldn't make any bad reason again. There's just nobody open down the field or don't decide to get them open. And that's why you saw so many short passes, but running the football.


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[Assistant] Blend with each other. Have the offense blended into the defense and just make the defense a little better too. So, that'll be interesting to see, but, uhm, man, it's amazing. I'm watching TV, Monday, even Sunday, no matter what the quarterback was. Well, when do you think he'll take over? And, you know, the fourth round quarterback, when do you think he'll start? I think they directed their quarterback at the future. Are they gonna start?


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[Assistant] I've been out of it just a little, uh, because I honestly, when the draft was over, I was like, oh my god.


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[Assistant] So I did not read the article, so Kirk Cousins, they're already, they're already hearing it up there, huh?


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I think that was just the line they gave you. Okay, good.


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[Assistant] I send about as many emails out as, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's no backstory to that. Okay. Yeah, I forgot that line was in there.


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[Assistant] You learn very quickly in this business. If you don't know exactly what something is, who plays where, what their position is, you make it more generic. And so I wasn't totally sure what this is. Circle. So I just called it a circle, which is not wrong.


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[Assistant] Uh, but the circle is back, and- We're back. We're back. Yes. And if you're li- eh, not if you're watching, if you're watching, you already know, but if you're listening, here's the cool thing.


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[Assistant] You wear it less often now than you ever have before.


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[Assistant] No, I haven't worn them in a long time because you intimidate, you scared me away from wearing them. You called them out every time. They're noticeable enough as it is. When you call them out every time, even more noticeable. So it's like I have to have them on a two month rotation. Did you get new glasses? No, these are the same glasses. They're the same ones. I don't know why they seem different.


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[Assistant] So here's the last thing, is that I went to bed so late last night because I was caught in a YouTube rabbit hole. What? And, you know, I'm not a huge music guy.


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[Assistant] I'm an energy drink guy. Yes, you are. Reminds me. Uh, there's this freestyle rapper. His name is Harry Mack. And I watched his videos until two in the morning. Like two thirty.


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[Assistant] This is, in partnership with Woodford Reserve Bourbon, The Sims Top 40 Quarterback Countdown, and I wanna add something.


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[Assistant] You can buy something that you'll want to see dad open this Father's Day, Woodford Reserve Bourbon. Find your dad's Woodford Reserve bottle at your local retailer or have it delivered today by Drizzly. So Drizzly could just walk up and hand it to him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess we do do that though. Spa day or whatever for Mother's Day. But alright, it's Father's Day coming up. Get him some Woodford Reserve or...


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[Assistant] Get his team a good quarterback. And we're in the top 12 now. So these are all really good quarterbacks, but I think there's going to still be some interesting conversations and some controversy perhaps with this four. We'll start with number 12 and number 12.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you mentioned the running there. That's not something that pops into people's head when they think about Ryan Tannehill anymore, but-


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[Assistant] deep downfield. I'm a big next gen guy. He was third last year and completed air yards per attempt behind Baker Mayfield and Deshaun Watson. 2019 he was fourth behind Stafford, Jamis Winston, Dak Prescott. So consistently in this offense for Tennessee, he has thrown the ball down the field.


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[Assistant] He has the most elite running back in the league in Derek Henry. They have more play action yards than anyone else out there.


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[Assistant] Ryan Tannehill and Derek Henry without Ryan Tannehill. So you see, with him, they have run him more and there's been more rush yards per game, but this was a deadspin story that I read on this.


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[Assistant] In the six weeks prior to Tannahill taking over the starting quarterback job in 2019, Derek Henry was averaging just 3.68 yards per attempt, not against great rushing defenses either.


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[Assistant] Afterwards, he averaged 5.92 yards per attempt. So who is making who better? Is it Tannahill making Henry better? Henry making Tannahill better.


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[Assistant] So you're gonna, I got a couple comments here. You're gonna disagree with this one. Yeah. Rene de Torre, 17. Just what we talked about. Without Henry, Tannahill is below average. Honestly, when you have a 2,000 yard back, those wide open play action passes could be completed by a high schooler.


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[Assistant] Motivate 1800. What happened though in the playoffs when the Ravens keyed in on Henry and made Tannehill beat them and he couldn't do it. He looked real pedestrian.


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[Assistant] The last point is how much better he could be, how much better the offense will be with Julio Jones this year. Caleb Beard says, Hey guys, love the pod. Been trying to explain how Tannehill's arm is stronger than


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[Assistant] Ryan's without putting him in the Mahomes and Allen arm strength tier. What opportunities do you see Julio getting from Tannehill that he was not getting with Ryan? And before you answer, there was a tweet out there, uh, from Ryan Tannehill. The moment he realized that he was getting Julio Jones as an offensive weapon. If you're watching on YouTube, he is happy. He is, uh, shocked and he


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[Assistant] So it's two things. They add Julio, but they lose Arthur Smith.


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[Assistant] The guy that's been masterminding the offense through the last couple years.


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[Assistant] 2021, Tennessee Titans, Ryan Tannehill. And before we end it, we gotta give love again to Dr. Babies. Uh, and there is, this could be our first ever merch. We showed this last week, but


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[Assistant] We might have to get this made. If you're not watching on YouTube, it says it's a t-shirt with a Titans logo in the front. It's 2021. Ryan Tannehill's good. Move the F on. Chris Sims on button. You said it.


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[Assistant] Alright, if you really want to leap into the future though, you can jump on the back of our next quarterback. Number 11 on your list, who moved up from 37th last year. This is the biggest leap of any quarterback in the Chris Sims Top 40 this year. That player is...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think we have his rookie records. He threw for over 4,000 yards. 31 touchdowns. Just 10 interceptions. Uh, the 10 interceptions.


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[Assistant] Anthony Lin's now the offensive coordinator with the Lions. I'm like, man, did they get enough credit for what they did with a rookie quarterback? Obviously a lot of it is Justin Herbert, and we'll see how that continues with a new regime. But man, they, they brought, no one has ever brought along a rookie quarterback like that. No, no, there seems like.


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[Assistant] I'm sure Herbert didn't either. I mean that year went about as well as it could have. So former Saints quarterback coach Joe Lombardi, the new OC, former 49ers quarterback coach Shane Day is the new quarterbacks coach with the Chargers. I wonder how that will change things with him.


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[Assistant] Could all be chalked up to a rookie quarterback learning and maybe not feeling.


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[Assistant] Like he could do some of those things that a veteran quarterback could do. I think one thing that stands out in a lot of places have.


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[Assistant] Looked at is what he was able to do under pressure last year because he was hurried more than any other quarterback in football last year. 85 hurries. I was looking at pro football reference. That was 10 more than second place, 20 more than Russell Wilson in third place. So he was hurried a lot.


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[Assistant] And he did really, really well. You see all those pressures and clean pockets. So it wasn't that he was just pressured a lot. He did really well when he was pressured. Where are the stats I have on it? This was from Touchdown Wire over at USA Today. When pressured in 2020,


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[Assistant] Herbert had 1500 yards, 875 air yards, so about half of them were through the air, not just yards after the catch. 13 touchdowns, 3 interceptions, a league high passer rating of 96 when he was pressured, and he was pressured a lot. A lot.


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[Assistant] You know what's funny about that too, because one of the knocks on him is that when he wasn't pressured, he still, it was like a hot potato. It was like he still was like, ah, making a, and then some of the pre-snap reads weren't good enough to where the guy wasn't open, he's still getting rid of it right away.


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[Assistant] So that's what I'm going to ask you. Is that where it could go wrong for him outside of the new offensive coordinator, new system perhaps? Is it that teams back off and he's not able to surgically pick apart some of these defenses?


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[Assistant] One of the up and coming stars in the NFL franchise quarterback for the Chargers. They have a good one. And now it takes us to our top.


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[Assistant] 10, our top 10 quarterbacks, which is a good time to stop down and talk about another quarterback who didn't make this list. Yeah. And he's the super bowl winning quarterback from last year, Tom Brady explained. No, just kidding. He has made it into the top 10. Tom Brady has cracked to the top 10 of the Chris Sims top 40 county.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think that was one of the more surprising thing. We'll get into the deep passing in a second, but I think now is a good time.


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[Assistant] To reemphasize what this list is all about for you, because you just said all those positive things about Tom Brady. Yea. And all people are gonna look at, or some people are gonna look at the 10 and be like, how is he not 2?


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[Assistant] Is taking every quarterback, putting them on an average team with average weapons, an average coach and saying which one's going to win the most games. And you think there are nine other quarterbacks will win more games than Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Because there were things that were surprising. You already touched on it. The deep passing. And there was a time in his career where he was like, he's not gonna be a good deep passer. And then you have last year,


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[Assistant] Where he was one of the better deep passers. Kristen, do we have that? Have we shown that already? Brady deep passing versus, uh, 2019 versus 2000 and 20, um, to see how much better he was with Tampa than he was New England. If you're watching on YouTube, you see it.


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[Assistant] Right here, some more attempts with Tampa. Completion percentage about the same, but the passing yards, a giant leap, a giant leap in passing yards, uh, with Tampa Bay.


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[Assistant] 91 attempts going deep, that led the NFL, Pete notes in my ear, and a lot of those, and you saw the ones in the playoffs too, were clutch, huge time, huge big time throws, even the one in Green Bay where the guys opened the end of the half, I mean,


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[Assistant] So last thing looking forward now, and we have Tom Brady's 2020, he had the most...


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[Assistant] Blank, since, so touchdown passes, fewest interceptions. I think we have that graphic here, here Kristen, of how good that was.


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[Assistant] Uh, for Tom Brady last year and he had a knee injury too. We, we learned about it. I don't know how significant it was, but significant enough to have off season knee surgery. So you see his completions were his most since 2015. Uh, his touchdown passes were his most since 2007 when he threw for.


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[Assistant] 50 touchdowns in that historic season with New England. Fewest, uh, or was that most interceptions or fewest? It's the most he's had. Since two more interceptions. That's good!


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[Assistant] So the question is, we just showed that graphic. Will we ever show that graphic again? Like, can he surpass what he did this past year, next year? Maybe a little bit healthier, has the band back together, familiarity, but it all went so well last year.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to say better, but I think he'd be just right there as good. He can do it. You didn't see a drop off. Cause that's what we're looking for. You know, it's like at some point humans drop off, but there's no indication that's coming for top rate.


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[Assistant] Getting a little older, maybe forgetful on the down every once in a while, but very rarely does that happen at Tom Brady. So Tom Brady 10.


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[Assistant] Keep going. You're a great quarterback, but Chris would take nine quarterbacks before you if he had his pick. And so we'll get to one more. We'll get to one more here, uh, on this show. And number nine is a guy we saw only briefly last year, unfortunately, because he was off to an unbelievable start.


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[Assistant] So this list is all about quarterbacks that you would take for this one season. He is coming off a major, major ankle injury.


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[Assistant] Positive reports out of camp so far with him. He hasn't done everything. Uh, but he said this to the Dallas news. He goes, I've buried the injury. He said, I've buried it mentally and I think you guys in the media and a lot of people around have to help me and bury it as we move forward. He doesn't want to talk about it anymore. He says, put that right on the tombstone. I will say there's a danger in that.


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[Assistant] That's gotta be so hard. Trusting, like after an injury like that, where it wasn't just, you know, ligament, it was like a compound fracture on top of a dislocation.


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[Assistant] I mean, just getting to the point where you just feel like every time I cut, I know it's gonna be fine. But I guess it comes the more you do it.


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[Assistant] On YouTube there. He was throwing for over 400 yards per game in the four games. He was on pace to shatter both the records for temps and yards. He would have thrown for over 6,700 yards if those would have held up. Like I guess the question and Pete... I think he would have broke the record last year. I really do.


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[Assistant] There was a significant fall off and we're seeing it right now. Points per game went down by about 8 points per game. Passing yards per game went down by about 200 passing yards per game. Yards per attempt down significantly. The touchdown to interception ratio was not, was not as good. So there is a huge fall off and I guess that's the question for the Cowboys now. It's like,


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[Assistant] You know, God forbid something happens to Dak again. You got Cooper Rush, Garrett Gilbert, Ben Danucci. I mean, that's not great. You had Andy Dalton last year and I think this is where we go back and forth a little bit.


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[Assistant] I might think about this a little different than you. It's like, we obviously see how important it is to have a good backup quarterback. It's the most important position maybe in all of sports, but I often think that


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[Assistant] If your starting quarterback goes down, you're probably screwed no matter what. You know, it's like it's very rarely are you going to be able to salvage the year for an extended period. You know, it's like Teddy Bridgewater can come in for five games and give you, give you five wins. But if Drew Brees was out for the rest of the year, do they really have the same ceiling?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, uh, Chris was right, although no one wants to say that now. Uhm, but, uh, you were right on him. Hopefully you're right on Dak, cause everyone, I think a lot of people would love to see him come back and have a, even if you hate the Cowboys, which a lot of people do. I know. You don't hate Dak Prescott.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so one more thing, because Pete and I are still angry. We have the highest paid quarterback contract through the first four years. Kristen, do we have that one yet? Uh, we just, here it is. And guess what? Dak Prescott's number one. Wanted to make him, you tweeted, wants to make him the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. And guess what? He got it.


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[Assistant] That is the Chris Sims Top 40 quarterback countdown in partnership with Woodford Reserve Bourbon. And by the way, Pete,


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[Assistant] I bought some Woodford Reserve vermin on his vacation. I buy it too. Which, and I've said this many times.


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[Assistant] Like, I already drink it, so it's not that much of a reach, but if I did not, I would be a total shill for whoever sponsored this podcast. Like people say, I only support products that


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[Assistant] I buy, it's the opposite for me. Whoever wants to support this podcast, I will buy it. Like I will become your biggest fan. Like I don't care, I will sell out immediately, but it will be a genuine love because I will get into it.


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[Assistant] No, I followed it on Twitter. Pretty cool. People tweeting about it. He's good. He's, he's one of the best now, right? He's going to pass. He's going to pass Federer and Nadal.


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[Assistant] Uh, okay, so let's recap real quick what we've seen so far in the Chris Sims Top 40 Countdown. If you're watching on YouTube, there's 40 through 21. 21 is Jimmy Garoppolo. And I was thinking...


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[Assistant] Last year, you had him right around 20, right? And I remember hearing from a lot of people in San Francisco that were up in arms about how he was just in the Super Bowl. How do you have him 20? You don't hear that as much. I don't think I've seen any.


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[Assistant] Not a whole, not a whole bunch. So that's uh, 40 through 21, and here we are through 9 so far, starting with 20 at Cam Newton. Uh, we do have a question, we've gotten a lot, on who you left off. And I kind of want to start there because I think it's the most interesting. Matt Geiger-Reel.


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[Assistant] Says, did you see, uh, did you not see what Jaylen did with the same offense that Carson Wentz couldn't do anything with?


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[Assistant] So a lot of people are upset that you don't have Jalen Hurts at all on your list of top 40 quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that is by far the biggest name that I'm, cause I'm tagged in a lot of the tweets that you and Pete send out. Um, and so I see all of the, I see the responses on Jalen Hurch specifically and 10 times out of 10.


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[Assistant] When I click on the profile, the people calling you out for bias against the Eagles are Eagles fans. So they have a lot of bias for the Eagles.


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[Assistant] You did put Derek Carr in there at number 14. Anthony Bay says, Hey guys, love the detail you go in regardless of the topic. Thank you for the specific compliment. Uh, how much do you think John Gruden and his offense hold Carr back?


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[Assistant] It was interesting hearing you talk with your dad about some of the things that Gruden would do that would make it difficult for you in the short passing game. Yes. There'd be a lot of short receivers where the best way, I'll never forget this now, you said the best way to throw short is to run deep. Open the field deep, right. You know, you know, has he learned from that or is he still doing some of that stuff?


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[Assistant] This is a chip moment for Jalen Hurts. Hopefully he's watching and hopefully he's listening. This is where they say, I have a chip on my shoulder. This is where it comes from.


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[Assistant] Alright, yeaah. He is not one of your top 40 quarterbacks that you've picked for your team. Simple as that. Alright, uh, the final thing, and I'll note to Pete too, I've lost my IFB. Something weird happened to my IFB. It went crazy, got loud for a second, shocked me, and now I've turned it down because I don't want that pain to happen again.


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[Assistant] But we just have one more thing to go here. Yeah. And it is. This is the big thing. I mean, this is what everyone's been waiting for. The final eight in the super


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[Assistant] Brawl. Oh yeaah. The Royal Rumble Countdown. And now I do wanna- I wanna give thanks here because where is it? It was a Twitter-


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[Assistant] Josh Mooney, on Twitter, had the brilliant idea to call it the Super Brawl, instead of what we've been calling it, the Coach Quarterback Royal Rumble Countdown.


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[Assistant] Which is descriptive. And you're supposed to be good with words and slow and like freestyle. But not as catchy. So Kristen's rifling through where we've placed every coach and quarterback so far. So basically if you're just


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[Assistant] What this is, is the quarterbacks and coaches from 32 to 1 who I think are most likely to win a fight if they were in a bar fight.


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[Assistant] Who would win? I like it. And so the ones in the bottom would not win. Here's the, we're in the upper half here, 16 through 9. So these coaches would, and quarterbacks would beat most of the other coaches and quarterbacks out there, I think.


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[Assistant] No, so this, so the last time we did it, because we didn't do it last time, we saved it for this time. So she rarely watches, and she rarely gives me any feedback other than, yeah, I thought it was pretty good, you know, because she doesn't want to crush me, she knows how fragile I am. Uhm, but last time she said, she goes, hey,


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[Assistant] Uh, it seemed like every time you named one, you were qualifying it and you were saying like, oh, I might be wrong on this one. I was like, you're right. I was like, I watched Chris do it, it's a talent.


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[Assistant] So you stand by your ranking. Of course there are going to be questions and people are going to say, hey, Jalen Hurst should be a top 40 quarterback, but...


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[Assistant] I got- I made the list, I'm gonna stand by this list. Right. So I'm gonna be more aggressive in defending this list this time. Okay. Alright, you ready? Okay. Number eight for me, in the Super Brawl,


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[Assistant] The New England Patriots, Cam Newton and Bill Belichick. Cam Newton.


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[Assistant] Might be the one quarterback who you at least want to face in a fight among all quarterbacks in the NFL right now. He can crush some people. He does it on the football field on a weekly basis. And Bill Belichick while old, the second oldest NFL coach behind Pete Carroll, Pete notes here, uh, I don't


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[Assistant] I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility he would come


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[Assistant] They'd be higher if it wasn't for Bill, of course. But even with Bill, top 10, and they're in the top 8 for me.


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[Assistant] Younger pair. The coach is just 42 years old, which is crucial.


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[Assistant] The New York Jets with Robert Sala and Zach Wilson. So Robert Sala carries this team. For sure. For your starter.


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[Assistant] But, he's, he's a young quarterback in this league, and hungry to impress his coach.


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[Assistant] The only knock on Robert Sala is, and why he wouldn't be higher on my list, is he seems like a super nice guy. Like, when push comes to shove, is he punching Bill Belichick in the face? Like, I don't know that he has that in him, you know? I don't know.


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[Assistant] Alright, the next combo I know for a fact, and you know this coach personally, he has to have a nasty streak.


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[Assistant] The Miami Dolphins, Tua Tonga-Violoa, and Brian Flores, who turned 40 in February, 6-2, played DB and linebacker at Pete Notes here, the prestigious Boston College. Second on the team in tackles in 2003. He tore his quad muscle.


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[Assistant] And he will fight in this fight as well. I'm very confident of that.


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[Assistant] 10 NFL seasons at tight end with the Giants, Cowboys, Lions. This guy is a beast and he is number 5. Yea, I mean. It didn't even matter who his quarterback was to be quite honest with you.


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[Assistant] So they're, they're number five. Number four, your boy blue, the Buffalo Bills, Josh Allen and Sean McDermott, who lacks some size. Five, 10.


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[Assistant] He turned 47 in March, but was a national prep champion wrestler in high school as well as a safety at William & Mary. He's got multiple ways to beat you and on his left shoulder, he's got Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] There are going to be people that think he should be number one. This tandem should be number one. Because we've seen it with Josh Allen. He's taken hits and just continues to play. It's amazing. It would be, like, someone taking him down would be surprising. Yes.


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[Assistant] The Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh. Now John Harbaugh, 58, former DB, which I like, you know, I like the defensive guys. I think you gotta have a little more aggression. I think that's what gives them the advantage over Dan Campbell. Big guy, offensive guy. Defense is a different mentality.


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[Assistant] Lamar Jackson goes without saying, you do not want to fight him. Giant, athletic, could beat you multiple ways, could just crush you, pulverize you, and is quick enough to like, beat you at any move.


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[Assistant] And Harbaugh's a Harbaugh. They're insane. Harbaugh's are clinically insane. I don't know clinically, but they seem to be insane.


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[Assistant] So number two, which will give away number one, but we don't necessarily remember who, uh, who I've done so far. Uh, number two.


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[Assistant] The Pittsburgh Steelers of Ben Roethlisberger and Mike Tomlin, former football player himself, did play wide receiver. Mike Tomlin, one of the most intense people you will ever see in your life. We're revealing there the top eight.


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[Assistant] And the reason I put them, number one, is because when I was doing this in my head, I was envisioning a bar and a fight breaks out. And who is standing there, who's throwing the haymakers, who's doing well, who's at home in this setting, and there was no other pair.


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[Assistant] That made more sense in my head of having an all out bar brawl than Ben Roethlisberger, who may have had multiple growing up and to this day, I don't know. He just seems, he looks like the part. And then Mike Tomlin is one of the scarier, most intimidating guys. Like at a press conference, he intimidates reporters with the way he looks.


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[Assistant] And so those two, in my mind, stood out as the ones who would excel in that setting.


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[Assistant] Like if, if Ben Roethlisberger sees Dan Campbell go over there and punch Mike Tomlin, that's going to raise Ben's game to a different level. You don't do that today.


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[Assistant] You're right. You're right. Although he has faced Jim Harbaugh. He has seen him. He owns him. Uhm. Alright, so that's it. We did it, baby! We made it through nine on your list. Yes. And all the way through the- All the way.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, yo. What's up? That's right. That was a story about my grandfather, Sims. You're talking about there with him pulling his teeth out. Polly Burmeister in the fold. What's up, dude? How are you doing? Good to see you. Good to see you. I got my vaccination the other day. He did. So I do want to tell people about that. I got a Tuesday. Yep. Got it done.


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[Assistant] Took a nap, ended up falling asleep for four hours. Nice. And I woke up and I went, okay, I feel pretty good. You know, not a hundred percent. I woke up this morning and I was like, all right, I'm close to a hundred percent. Maybe a little groggy still, but, but I think, you know, out of the woods here. So that's good. Wow. I know. It happened to be a little bit on my second one. Right. That's what people say.


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[Assistant] No, I, I decided to do the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. So it's just a one shot too, right? So I'm done, but you know, maybe, I don't know if there's more of it in that one dose or whatever, but it killed me. I'm glad I'm done with it though. And uh, now I can, you know, freely wear a mask here and then live free again. That'd be cool.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm, I'm going to have fun. So the party starts tonight. As far as I'm concerned, that could be the real pod that we will. We would have a real good pod tonight.


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[Assistant] It's close, but nothing beats that young kid, school's over. I mean, that's just like, I mean, come on, school was torture when you were a young kid. You couldn't wait for the summer. Um, phew. Spring football, that stuff.


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[Assistant] It was an awesome day, cause it was brutal, you knew like, oh wow, now we're gonna have like a month where I can kinda be a normal college student.


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[Assistant] And not have to worry about grinding out football every day.


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[Assistant] But, I'll say, I think this actually, this trumps that. Oh wow. I will, yea. You know, it's a long year. Uhm, it was a long year this year, especially with COVID. I don't know what it is, it just wore me out. But like, in my business, again, I'm not complaining about our job, it's awesome. I love it. True. It's football, I talk, I mean, it's great.


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[Assistant] I think the thing that wears on me, and you've heard me say this, is just constantly having to stay on all the news. Have an answer for everything. Oh wait, this player's doing this, this player's doing that, wait, let me turn on a little film just to get a good feel for it so I'm not speaking blindly about the guy. It's just having to be on top of everything that wears your ass out. So now I can check out for a little while, and that's what I'm excited for.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing for you and your Twitter, but... I think it's a good thing for our podcast. Well, hopefully. And again, you know, listen, I know not, you know, what I don't understand, I understand not everybody agreeing with my, like, rankings and that. I don't expect everybody to agree with it. But what I don't understand is just the...


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[Assistant] The hatred behind him at some time. It's incredible, isn't it? I want to be like, well, you're showing more hatred because this quarterback was 8 and this quarterback was 10 than you're showing about like,


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[Assistant] And, uh, hey, the thing that always gives me confidence to fight through these things is I have a lot of people in the NFL who reach out to me and say they love the list or give me respect for what I say or do and that kind of pushes me through the haters on the social media aspect or front there.


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[Assistant] Sure, I think, uh, the first one I would go is like 1-5, that to me is the first tier. 1-5 would be the first tier, but I go, these guys are like as close to perfect as you can get. Like there's really not really a, we're being nitpicky with any of the flaws of their game. Okay, so that would be the first tier.


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[Assistant] Is actually the six to nine tier. I would say that's a true second tier there of guys that yeah, there's a, there's one or two things in their game. I'd like to see them clean up or get better at, but man, they're still awesome and can do some unbelievable stuff on the football field. And then I get into the tier there. We're starting with Brady.


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[Assistant] Where, man, 10 through 17, I'm gonna put 10 through 17, I'm gonna put Burrow in this group too, you know, and I know he's got the knee issue there where, you know, these are phenomenal football players. I mean, it's really, really good. It's actually not about, like,


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[Assistant] This is the group of, hey, you're awesome, you can do a little more off schedule. Or you can do this. Maybe Brady can't because of his age or whatever. He's kind of his own entity to a degree. You know, for what he is in the situation. But I think through 10 through 17 is like, man, really good. You got potential to be in the top 10.


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[Assistant] You know, but there is truly a one or two things we need to see a little better or just a little more of.


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[Assistant] I know, I know, well I knew that. I know it's not a coincidence, but I know that's what everybody's going to look at because now they're going to go, oh, you're slighting Brady again. No, I put Brady on the outside looking in there because like six through nine to me are guys that are special talent who, yes, can run the offense


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[Assistant] Some of the other guys below them don't have, have unbelievable off schedule, I can make something happen abilities that that next tier does not all have everybody there. And I guess I'm gonna put Brady into that, that list there. Uh, then you get to the, uh, let's say the fourth tier.


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[Assistant] Yes, Carson Wentz at 18, all the way to 26 with Daniel Jones, to a go.


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[Assistant] No, there's good. There's real legitimate questions that need to be answered. Like, there, there, there's, we're not sure. There's, there's a definitely a not sure aspect about this little, this little group four tier right there where you just go, ooh, I've seen things I like, but there's like, man, there's definitely something he's got to clean up or get better at.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, not be as, you know, loose with the football. Whatever that may be. They all have their issues.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right, I know, but yes, he's in that group too. I mean, come on, you can't be sitting here realistically talking to me like you think Big Ben's play was special the last six, seven, eight weeks of the year. Absolutely not.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we definitely have to see more. Better decision making, better throwing. You know, different, different aggressive approach. You know, so there's definitely, there's questions all through that group, I think. And that's why it stops at Daniel Jones. And then,


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[Assistant] You know, the rookies are always hard, because of course you have nothing there to speak of. So like, I wanna say, really, after that...


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[Assistant] 18 to 26 and then that last tier here where it's a lot of what ifs and we'll see potential and everything like that.


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[Assistant] All of those guys have the ability to be number one. Yes. I don't envision anybody taking over my homes here anytime soon. Honestly, I think the biggest threat is the guy I have number two. I mean, to me, that's the guy. I don't think Rogers


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[Assistant] At, what is he going to be, 37 this year or 38? I think, I think 38. I might be even wrong. Where I want to go, I don't, he's not going to get better. He still can play at an awesome high level. He got better last year. He got better. Yes. You know, within the system, second year, all of that definitely changes approach, but like there's no other thing physically.


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[Assistant] 38 in December he'll be. But it's like, it's, it's, there's nothing physically I look at and go, well he's gotta get that better. Right. Or, or is it gonna get better? No, he's not gonna get faster, his arm's not gonna get any stronger. You know, he can change his approach, maybe the way he wants to read a coverage, things like that. Mahomes and Atlin are one and two.


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[Assistant] And still have things they can fix about their game. They're not at the mental level Rodgers is pre and post snap.


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[Assistant] A lot of surprise, positive reactions with Alan. Yeaah. Yeaah. I'll say this, the first few people I told I was gonna do that with,


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[Assistant] They, and I've told you a little, this is my dad and a few other coaches that I'm not going to name names here, uhm, and one personnel guy, where


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[Assistant] You know, they, like, hemmed and hawed for a second, but then when...


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[Assistant] I'm with you. Alan's amazing. What he did last year was unreal. And that's where I came back to. Again, this is where I think with Alan and Rogers, you know, my dad really fought me the hardest. I think I'd put Roger second.


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[Assistant] My money selling point is that I don't think Aaron Rodgers, if you put him on the Buffalo Bills last year, could have gone 13 and 3 and made some of those plays we saw him make without a running game, without a decent pass protection.


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[Assistant] Alright, you know, this is, I just had this conversation with Dan Patrick. You know, that's where it's like, people gotta realize.


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[Assistant] Green Bay is a better support system than Josh Allen has, in my opinion. At least, I don't know if you agree with that, but I will say that. I mean, he's got Aaron Jones. You know, I think they've cheated Aaron Rodgers here, so this is like, this is my two man crushes, who I feel like both the teams could help them out. But Rodgers has the better offensive line, has Aaron Jones.


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[Assistant] I'll give, I'll give, um, digs the slight advantage on Devonte Adams. But then after that, you get into it. I mean, the supporting receivers around.


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[Assistant] Valdez, Scanling, you know, Nicole Beasley. I know they have Emmanuel Sanders now.


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[Assistant] You know, but there's a reason Emanuel Sanders is on his third team in three years. It's not, he's not the guy that was five years ago, Emanuel Sanders. It's coming to an end. Right. So don't let go like, oh, they got Emanuel Sanders, it'll be the greatest show on turf now. No. You know, Dawson Knotts, Robert Tanyan.


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[Assistant] You know, it's close. It's close. That's all I'm saying. It's very similar. It's very similar. So, you know, but that's where I look at it. And I would say Roger's defense was better than Buffalo. It was. I mean, it statistically was. So that's where you get into it and you start to realize, damn,


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[Assistant] Man, I mean, yeaah, he didn't have the luxury to go, hear Aaron Jones, get five yards, and he was al-, it was always Josh Allen shotgun, make it happen. Right. And, you know, again, Allen is not as surgical and as great with the decision making, but it's not


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[Assistant] So far less than that, uhm, his great ability to extend plays and make unbelievable plays in the pocket and outside of the pocket, you know, overcome the just a little deficiency he might not be up to Rogers within that one area. And that's really where I gave it to him.


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[Assistant] We're going right, we're going right now. You know, I think the hardest thing is people have a hard time wiping away the eight years previous or the 10 years previous. Like where I go, I know Rogers beats him in that conversation.


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[Assistant] For what I saw last year and yes, expecting that player to get better and the other player to


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[Assistant] Not really get better, maybe just plateau, plateau, or maybe even get a hair less or worse. That's, that's where I play that angle. I mean, again,


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[Assistant] You know, I, I don't turn on film and go, man, Josh Allen, he took a five step drop, the first read was open, oh man, he's really, he's looking to just play backyard football. No, if the first read's open, he throws it. If the first read's not open, he goes to the second read and throws it. You know?


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[Assistant] He plays the position exactly how you want to, except when things don't go the way they are supposed to, people don't get blocked, you know, everybody gets covered. That's to me where right now,


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[Assistant] Mahomes and Allen are doing things Rogers was doing five and six years ago when I was telling everybody like, no, no, Rogers is the best quarterback in football.


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[Assistant] And nobody could believe it then. People were still trying to tell me like Peyton Manning at 54 years old and Brady were better than him. And I'm like, no, they're not. Sorry. It's just, you got to get over it. And it's the same thing here. Let's not hold onto it too long. This guy's here. He's arrived. He's special.


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[Assistant] This is the part I love. I mean, first off, I would argue with Alan here, other than Lamar and Kyler Murray, it's the third best running quarterback in football. He's in that discussion. He's a legit between the tackles runner. He's the second best scrambler in the sport.


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[Assistant] Other than Mahomes, and when I say scrambler, I mean the guy that's behind the line of scrimmage, buying time, looking to throw the ball. Only Mahomes is a better scrambler to me than him right now. I think Watson and Russell Wilson in that discussion too.


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[Assistant] Nobody's rushed for more touchdowns in the NFL at the quarterback position since 2018.


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[Assistant] They had to dial it back a little last year because they're like, this psycho will take on middle linebackers and lower his shoulder and he's not going to last. So you've taken the most rushing touchdown since 2018, right? Red zone, here's another stat that you'll love.


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[Assistant] 42 touchdowns, no interceptions. He's careless with the ball. He hasn't done an interception. Right. He went through some streaks last year of 166 pass attempts with no interceptions. I mean, he has some things where you go, wait, you're seeing it and you're going, wow. The numbers say, wow.


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[Assistant] You still want to hold on to a narrative you heard four years ago and you're not going to let it go. Come on. That's where we, I push myself to get over that stuff all the time. I really do. And to me, that's, that's what's amazing about Josh Allen right now. There was one more stat. I just want to make sure I didn't miss it because it just, it jumps out to me, but I think that's it. No, that was it.


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[Assistant] That's brilliant. That's well thought out, right? It really is. It really is. Wooo, man. Okay.


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[Assistant] Tampa still comes to mind here. I mean Tampa's roster is packed.


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[Assistant] Okay, I think we can get into, you know, you go to complete rosters when you get in this kind of conversation for me. So right away, the teams that jumped out to me were Tampa, New Orleans, right? We've seen them survive with three different quarterbacks the last three years, right?


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[Assistant] I was just thinking of them and wondering if they'd even come up. No, I think so. With their roster and everything about it, like...


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[Assistant] I mean, not, yea, if, if it was, uhm, Case Keen, yea, it's, eh, with that team, and everybody has Case Keenum, yea, I'm gonna give them a little bit of advantage, cause the roster's pretty damn good.


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[Assistant] You know, I think I'm gonna probably throw Baltimore in that conversation. Really?


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[Assistant] I, what I would want to, the only thing that scares me about that, cause I think the team and they can run the ball and do that stuff, the drop back pass off scares me a little. My case needs some help there. So that is where I'm hesitant with Baltimore, but I throw that out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it really to me comes down to the best constructed rosters. Okay. Doesn't have to be a long list. Yeah. And I think we kind of, I think that's the ones that jump out to Tampa, New Orleans, um, Baltimore, Cleveland.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think San Francisco probably would have been in that mix, minus injuries, right? Like, Shanahan's gonna be able to coach him up, and you're still gonna go, he's better than some of those other stooges they've had playing quarterback out there. So I'd go, okay.


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[Assistant] That might be one I'd throw out there too. That's a good one. And the Rams might be, Rams and Colts might be another team that I'd throw in there. Wow. Both of those. So what is that? We say six teams basically?


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[Assistant] Proven history, and then yeah, Sean Payton will be able to figure it out with what works for Case Keenum, and, uh, they don't have to go all in on, you know, the quarterback there, cause they can, they're a run team, and they play defense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think it's still Case Keenum. It is. It's a team sport. It's not, right. I mean, again, we got Deshaun Watson who was 4-12 last year. I won't talk to anybody in football that would have Deshaun Watson farther down the list than 6 or 7, right? I have him at 4. Nobody.


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[Assistant] I don't care who you talk to, nobody's gonna say he's worse than 6 or 7. I would have a hard time thinking you couldn't even put him that low. They went 4 and 12.


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[Assistant] You know, there's only so much you can overcome. Again, there was three games. He put them in a position there last year to win the game. The team failed him. He didn't fail the team. And you know, that, that, that's why, yes, I'd still go with Keenum on the best team over Mahomes on a horrible team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, sure. I think, you know, here's the names that, digging up some, some old notes here, here's some of my earlier ones. I mean, Jalen Hurts,


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[Assistant] And Trubisky were probably the top four that were left off the list. Those are the, those are the next four where I went, Oh no.


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[Assistant] They could legitimately be on this list and reasonable binds might think they should deserve to be on it and you take a rookie off or something like that. Sure. So I think those are the four.


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[Assistant] I think I'm between Minshew and Hertz. I think it's between one of those two. I would probably give the advantage to Hertz. I really would. Just because of the force of nature he is running the football, I would give him that little advantage to go, okay, he's got that, that's a real thing.


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[Assistant] That he can bring to the team a schematical advantage over a Gardner Minshew. So yeaah, I would probably say Jalen Hurts is that guy.


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco wasn't far off that list either. Oh really? Yeaah, I mean he could have been after the brusette thing. I think he could have put Flacco in that conversation not too far there. Yeaah, I think he deserves that. This is from Cats with Knives.


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[Assistant] Cats with knives. Cats with knives. Man, well, if you don't take the claws out of your cats, they all got knives. You have cats, right? I do, two of them. Really?


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[Assistant] You gotta like, you gotta let them know what they can and can't do. So like, I might have had like a, uh, uh, rolled up magazine something, right? Yeah. Rolled up magazine, and if I saw it start to claw at the uh, couch or something, I would just swack his, this real lightly, like hit his paws. No, no, no, no, no, no. And they would learn to hurt. They respond to that?


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[Assistant] Well, I dropped the airport cheeseburger on the floor and ate it. That's very fair. How long was it down?


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[Assistant] Somebody backed into me and knocked a thing out of my hand. It had paper around it, but it was like half open. It didn't look like the burger actually touched the ground and because I was in a rush I just said screw it.


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[Assistant] It was the new section. Well, it doesn't matter. People are still walking out of the bathroom with piss and shit particles on their feet.


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[Assistant] Hey, I'm rooting for it. Again, I don't, I, I love Jalen Hurts and how he handles himself, the way he's handled himself this whole offseason. And trust me, I, I hope he plays well and proves me wrong. I really do. The, the human is easy to root for.