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[Assistant] And I didn't hear a thump. I heard the arrow, you know, bouncing off some brush behind him. But at 18 yards, I'm thinking.


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[Assistant] I just didn't hear, you know, it blew right through him and I just didn't even hear the thump because it didn't hit anything. It zipped right through him.


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[Assistant] Well, we went up there and looked around at the shot location and, and, uh, noticed that there was a log that was laying uprooted right there where he had walked to.


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[Assistant] And what I didn't realize was there was a piece of the root sticking up right along his vital path. And upon observation, I found the track of a single blade of a broadhead cutting into that root wad.


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[Assistant] Right, probably four yards, five yards in front of the elk. And it deflected my arrow up and we found my arrow laying in the brush behind probably 40 yards behind where the bull was standing. No blood on it.


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[Assistant] And you know, it's, we've spent all day, put all our eggs in that basket. Everything worked out perfectly. And then one just.


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[Assistant] See it there in my, in my pin site window or what, but I hit it and I missed and it's on video too.


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[Assistant] But what I went back to was in 1999, we were hunting in Idaho and had an encounter with a really big bull.


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[Assistant] And where I learned to scatter the cows, and that's what we call it, scatter the cows or bump and charge. If you bump the cows, you can charge forward. If you.


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[Assistant] Get between them and they haven't bumped yet and you can scatter them purposely. But the, the intent is you want to get between the bull and his cows.


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[Assistant] You want to bump them and make them run. So there's chaos there, like another bull coming in and trying to, to break the cows away and get them to run.


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[Assistant] Especially in a bedding area where the bull is trying to protect his, his territory and keep his cows safe. Uh, I've never had it not work.


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[Assistant] It just, if you can do it, it's tough to do. You know, it's hard to get in between a bull and his cows without any of them seeing you.


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[Assistant] And it's hard to get in between a bull and his cows when the cows see you and not have them take the bull running off with them when they take off.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you've won. There's very few things that can and will go wrong at 20 yards that prevent you from, from getting a shot. You know, there's obstacles. The ball might be behind brush. You might not get a shot. Uh, the ball might not be at a good angle. He might come in frontal and you don't get a shot. Uh, there's a handful of things.


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[Assistant] But getting an elk to 20 yards from you and being at full draw with a bow, the odds are in your favor.


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[Assistant] To a degree, we did move ahead probably eight yards or so, but that was just to gain a better vantage. It wasn't to try to throw him. My experience when those elk, when you challenge them, split the cows, they're in their bedding area.


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[Assistant] When they come in, it's, it's with intent there. You know, they aren't coming in and stopping to say, where's that bull at 40 yards away. They'll, they'll walk right into your face and they're looking for that bull. And all they're thinking is.


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[Assistant] I'm okay with that. I will fight any bull that's on the mountain right now to, to protect this area and my cows.


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[Assistant] So we, uh, we didn't go back after him that season, anticipating that the area he lives in, that patch of alders is small. And additionally, after we bumped him, we listened to him bugle all the way down to the bottom of the drainage and then up the other side.


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[Assistant] So he had completely relocated out of that area and I honestly have not been back to that area to see if he's been able since, so.


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[Assistant] I think it's the cows, so I had a trail camera from that spring that I put up there and we actually picked that trail camera up before we dropped down on the bull to call him in.


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[Assistant] I had walked up the front side to put the trail camera up, so I knew what it was like going up the front side and, uh,


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[Assistant] I knew where that bedding area was and everything, but when we picked up the trail camera, it was pretty much just cows on it all summer.


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[Assistant] And so I think the cows live there in that pocket and they're safe. You know, it's a, it's a really safe bedding area.


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[Assistant] And there's water right there. There was literally a spring 40 yards away from the bedding area and then they could go up 300 yards up the ridge.


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[Assistant] And be on an open hillside with all sorts of feed up there and so I think they would feed up in the morning.


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[Assistant] And then drop down 300 yards in bed there all day and then get up right at dark and go up and feed again on the open ridge. So they didn't have to move hardly at all.


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[Assistant] And there was just, there was no way they were going to get disturbed. I mean, they could get disturbed, but there was no way they were going to get ambushed and, and not be able to flee the danger.


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[Assistant] Instead of your normal post rut sanctuary where they go to when they get pressured from rifle season from hunters, now we've got to consider.


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[Assistant] Where they go when they get pressured from non-hunting activities.


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[Assistant] We'll just think, you know, time, time frame wise, the cows, you know, the snow melts, the cows start moving back up from their winter range to their summer range in April, May, June.


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[Assistant] And during that time, there's really not a lot of non-consumptive use. You know, ATVs are still, you know, a lot of snow or mud or whatever. People are now hiking the trails. That really picks up in June, July. Why? And that's, you know, that's when you're going to see the most recreational uses during those months. And what's happening right then? The cows are having calves.


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[Assistant] And their CAV safety is paramount to everything.


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[Assistant] So they've got to have good feed. They've got to have a secure place for their calves.


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[Assistant] And if there's people walking dogs, if there's four wheelers going by, if there's disturbance and disruption there.


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[Assistant] If they didn't have the calves, they might be a little bit more apt to put up with some of that, but with their calves, they're being vulnerable.


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[Assistant] And if you're looking for cows, which is what I look for in September, cause I know if there's cows there, there's a bull there.


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[Assistant] They can hear you or see you if the thermals are still going down. There's just no way to get in there and approach them. And I can only imagine how many times


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[Assistant] They've drug a hunter all the way up there 2500 vertical feet right into that patch of alders and then the mountain goes quiet.


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[Assistant] Labor day, where's the labor day traffic going to be? Yeah. Awesome. Well, I want to.


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[Assistant] I want to go back and revisit the, uh, the experience in 1999 that turned me onto this. And it was, you know, in 99, I was.


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[Assistant] I shot my first elk when I was 21, so I hadn't had a lot of, of success, you know, experiencing success up to that point. I was still learning a ton. You know, I wasn't, uh,


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[Assistant] consistently successful elk hunter at that point at all, and


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[Assistant] I really only had, you know, a couple tricks up my sleeve that I could, I could try to call a bowling with. And so.


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[Assistant] We dropped down, had the thermals good. They were still going down the hill.


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[Assistant] And we got underneath him and ended up calling him in, I think two or three times. You know, he's moving with his cows again, like they do.


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[Assistant] And would come in and commit to a certain distance, but he'd get 60 yards and then he'd turn and go back to his cows and we just couldn't bring him in to our setup. And so.


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[Assistant] I knew we were going to have to follow them to their bedding area and once we got there we'd have a much better chance. So as we're following them up the ridge.


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[Assistant] We're probably 200 yards or so up the ridge from the last place we had had a little standoff with them. And they're moving up the ridge and they drop over to the right hand side.


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[Assistant] I hear a bunch of brush crashing and we've obviously bumped something on our sense going down that direction.


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[Assistant] I know the herd we're chasing has gone up and to the right and didn't smell us and didn't get busted, but something down to our left probably only 50 or 60 yards below us busted out of there. And as it's busting out of there.


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[Assistant] Around the hill from it, probably another 60 yards or so of bull bugles. So he hears all the crashing going on of his cows.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe it was starting to formulate and that might've, that experience might've helped drive it home a little better, but I just instinctually bugled back at that bowl.


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[Assistant] And kind of stood there to see what was going to happen and within a matter of seconds,


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[Assistant] That bull is at 45 yards broadside from me standing there looking up our, our direction.


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[Assistant] And I did shoot that bull and got that bull. And it was a, at the time it was the biggest bull I had ever shot. It was a really big six point. Uhm, but what it, what it showed me was.


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[Assistant] The cows ran off. The bull is there with the cows. The cows are crashing off.


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[Assistant] He's not as concerned about following the cows always as he is about pushing that intruder away from the cows. Right.


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[Assistant] And so, you know, that got me thinking, I can try that if I ever get busted again, if cows crash out of there, which happened.


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[Assistant] Every hunting season to me, every week that I hunt elk, there's at least two times that I bump cows that are with the bull that they run off. And the ability to.


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[Assistant] And I think there's a, there's a difference generally speaking in how the, the elk detect you. If they see you.


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[Assistant] They, uh, they know there's danger. They know that you're a two-legged upright homo sapien and that's not good. And they run off.


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[Assistant] When they smell you, it can be from 200 yards away and they might not run off, but they're going to bark and you're going to know the game's over.


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[Assistant] And you've pushed him off and you try to bugle at the bull, he's just going to go with the cows. He's not going to take a chance that, hey, they're, they're saying there's danger. There's a bull bugling up there.


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[Assistant] But there may be danger in addition to that. You know, they, like you said, they probably wouldn't be barking at a bull that's chasing them off or trying to round them up.


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[Assistant] I've had, and in that case, the cows did bark. They barked and the bull still came in. So I don't think it always is enough to tell the bull, hey, it's danger that maybe there are times when a bull's trying to steal cows and the cows are barking. You know, it's not a, not a danger thing. It's a,


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[Assistant] And you get between them and are able to bump them out of the way and scatter them away from the bowl.


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[Assistant] I think your odds are way better of that bull coming in, not saying that they aren't good.


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[Assistant] If the cows do bark, but I think they go up exponentially if the cows haven't alerted everyone to danger.


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[Assistant] So no, the uh, the, the bump in charge or the scatter of the cow tactic is something that's, uh, that's used.


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[Assistant] As a method to try to salvage a setup that's gone bad, you know, when you bump cows inadvertently.


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[Assistant] Uh, I usually don't just see a herd of cows feeding up a ridge and they don't know I'm there and the bull is across the ridge from them. I usually don't just run right at the cows and try to scare them intentionally. But, uh, if they get scared.


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[Assistant] Pretending to be a bull that's coming in there bumping the cows is a really good tactic that's been.


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[Assistant] We've used it several times. Those two examples, you know, the one is, is where I saw it the first time and, and learned it. The, uh, the other one is fun to tell the story, uh, partly because I can make fun of myself for missing.


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[Assistant] Uh, if you watch, I think it was Destination Elk V2.


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[Assistant] Uh, we all put the, I'll put the link or the, the episode in the notes with it, but.


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[Assistant] I talked to cameraman John and he was, you know, he's like, man, I love these stories you're doing, but I wish I could ask you questions. Like you, you leave out details. I want to know.


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[Assistant] Is, you know, whatever the tactic is, and it doesn't have to do with the actual bugling sequences.


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[Assistant] I know, but it would be so helpful to know exactly what you did there. And uh, so.


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[Assistant] I appreciate you taking the time to come on and dig some of those details out and, uh, hopefully it's been.


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[Assistant] Do you prefer having Randy dig some of those details out and me not having any notes about the.


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[Assistant] version of it. Be sure and drop us a comment on the website and let us know. And until next time.


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[Assistant] We'll see you guys on the next ridge or mountaintop or wherever the elk are bugling.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] And with that, Cory, we are ready to get into it. Let's jump into it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was in Nevada the last, well, I got home a couple days ago. I was there for 10 days and we swapped out camera guys in between and the unnamed person shall not be called out, but.


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[Assistant] They had a, an air mattress that was so noisy. It sounded like.


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[Assistant] You know when you bag your groceries in paper bags?


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[Assistant] That's what it sounded like every time he, he moved. I mean, even wiggled his foot is like, and everybody in the camp and wake up like, Oh, we've got a barren camp.


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[Assistant] Worry about space cause it compacts way smaller than the big other ones, even if the other ones only way five or six ounces more.


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[Assistant] But, and then the downside is the colder it gets, the more squeaky those things get.


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[Assistant] Oh well, it's September. It's been 97 degrees here in Bozeman. How are you out elk hunting in this, Cory?


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[Assistant] You know, I had an old friend one time who said the more you hunt, the better the odds are that you're going to kill something. Uh, and that applies.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that applies to me because the season opened in Montana, uh, Saturday. We're doing this on what, Wednesday? So, uh, I just got back from Nevada and rather than go out and hunt in 95 to 97 degrees, I did everything that was on my wife's list.


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[Assistant] I wasn't out elk hunting like you, so the odds of me killing an elk were zero.


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[Assistant] I'm interested in hearing how much are you going to let out of the bag. I saw in your Instagram post that you told the world that something happened.


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[Assistant] Well, so now you've got the audience wondering, wait a second, when Donnie shot his ball.


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[Assistant] Because in your Instagram post, you said about your bowl. So do we have two elk stories to tell here or what's the deal?


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[Assistant] I'll just turn the mic over to you, Corey. It's your stage to do with what you want here.


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[Assistant] I know you weren't hunting in Boise, but while you were talking, I just pulled up the historic weather, the highs in Boise opening day with 98 degrees. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And then the next day it went to 105 degrees and then down to 97 and then it was 100 and then 102.


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[Assistant] Fixing on something or doing the honeydews or.


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[Assistant] I forgot what all I got done this weekend, but it was a pretty long list. I didn't hear any bull elk bugle it from my tent. I didn't see any fighting.


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[Assistant] I didn't launch an arrow. I didn't even see a grouse. So it was.


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[Assistant] I'm living vicariously through you until this evening.


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[Assistant] That was my point for bringing it up that way is you can't.


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[Assistant] Good luck land on your lap if you're sitting in camp or you're at home doing honeydews. Nothing wrong, nothing wrong with recharging your kitchen pass, you know, you got to do that once in a while. But point is you and I were doing two different things and you were doing something to put yourself in a position where an elk might end up finding your arrow or your arrow finding an elk, whichever way you want to say it.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I don't care whether you were doing what I was doing or you're at the football game or you're whatever, you know, cutting firewood. The odds are you didn't.


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[Assistant] You had way better chances of this happening than the person who, who had given up, who said, you know what? It's too hot. I'm not out. I'm not going to go do this. Or I'm going to go give it a half-hearted effort. And, uh, so you got one. You got one. So I don't know how long you were out there, but from what I'm hearing,


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[Assistant] So, you packed, something told me you had to pack some alcohol on day four and five.


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[Assistant] So you had to then haul camp and elk meat out on motorcycles.


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[Assistant] Well, if you ever asked me to ride a motorcycle on an Alcon, I'm going to decline.


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[Assistant] If you ever ask me to retrieve an elk out of a lake in the pitch darkness.


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[Assistant] Oh, Corey, we're only 10 days into season and you already got these kinds of stories to tell. I feel like such a slacker. I've been doing nothing but trying to not get sunburned chasing pronghorn in Nevada. I mean, that's like as luxurious as it gets compared to what you've been doing.


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[Assistant] That's, that's how much interest I had in going to Alaska, but so now I got a couple questions that I'm gonna, uh,


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[Assistant] Tonight today in bozeman the high is supposed to be ninety seven degrees tomorrow it's supposed to drop to a high of seventy six and the next day high of sixty seven.


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[Assistant] But we're coming off the first quarter moon into a full moon. In fact, the full moon is just three days away. So I'm going to be hunting the two days prior to the full moon.


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[Assistant] Just because the temperature is decent and it's what days I have, uh, before I got to head to Idaho to help my buddy Scott with his elk super tag the following week. How foolish am I to go and hunt two days, September 8th and 9th.


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[Assistant] Here's the other thing that this is my fallback for why I don't really pay much attention to the lunar calendar is


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[Assistant] I'm going because I'm tired of sitting around the house and being here at the office, being told what to do. I mean.


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[Assistant] Come on, I'm not the boss anywhere. I'm only the boss when they let me.


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[Assistant] Whether it's here at work or whether it's at home, but, uh, I just, I want to get out. There's a spot I want to go to cause I, I might go there rifle hunting and I just want to see how much pressure is there. I want to see these new road closures there. They put in some seasonal road closures, uh, during hunting season for,


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[Assistant] Wildlife protection. And so I want to see, one, are those being obeyed? And, uh, two, is that going to help with the alkeny? I might go there, it might be a complete bust, but you know what? I'm not, how do I say this? I'm not just wondering, I'm going to find out.


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[Assistant] I just de-scouted it and I'm like alright, there's a burn.


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[Assistant] There's some really good bedding cover on some northwest and yea, northwest facing slopes. There's water nearby.


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[Assistant] And now people have to walk two miles to get in there.


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[Assistant] Maybe it'll work. Maybe it won't. Maybe it'll be a complete bust. But, I'm gonna go find out. And, uh,


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[Assistant] Starting tomorrow, I'm pretty much out cunning for the next two months. Wow. Other than


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[Assistant] It doesn't get interrupted a little bit by a pronghorn hunt that I'm helping on and a deer hunt I'm helping on, but ahh.


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[Assistant] It's a super tag, whether or not it's a super hunt. You know, Scott, he's counting on me. He's like, Hey, I hope you can call one in. I'm like, Boy, I don't know. Can't you find someone better? Uh, no, that'll be fun. And then I come home for two days.


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[Assistant] De-junk my gear and then we head into the, the mountain, the Wyoming for, uh, on a general tag, so. Very cool.


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[Assistant] I hope it becomes one of my favorite tags too. And then I come home and then our sweepstakes winner has a limited entry Wyoming tag. And uh, we'll see how that goes.


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[Assistant] I'll have some elk stories to tell. I don't know if there'll be anything as colorful as what you just laid out here. I mean.


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[Assistant] You and Donnie, if I didn't get to see video of this stuff all the time out there,


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[Assistant] Destination elk, I'm, I think I might be a skeptic of whether or not this stuff really happens the way it does, but.


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[Assistant] The camera guy standing there keeps the camera rolling like, Donnie, was that the punch line?


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[Assistant] He's got a whole bunch of questions in one email. I thought I'd grab a few of them here.


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[Assistant] He asked if we have a podcast where we've talked about scent control, and I don't know that we have a podcast where we've talked about it. We've talked about it on tons of podcasts.


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[Assistant] And his comment is like, with an elk's amazing sense of smell after a long hike.


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[Assistant] I'm sure I'm going to be putting off a bunch of scent and I don't think they'll be fooled no matter what chemicals I use. Is there a podcast where you guys talk about that? I'd appreciate some feedback.


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[Assistant] I think he kinda arrived at the same conclusion most elk hunters have arrived at. It's a good way to spend some money on something that probably isn't going to do you any good.


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[Assistant] If you smell your clothes after about day three, I don't care whether you use merinos or whether you use synthetics, by day three of hiking the mountains in hot weather, eh, those aren't


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[Assistant] Then his other question is, and he says he's been practicing his outcalls all summer, driving his wife and kids crazy, looking forward to trying out a new language.


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[Assistant] But he's worried that the area he's going to is infested with grizzly bears and wolves and that the elk might not be responsive to calling. So the way I'm going to frame his question is.


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[Assistant] Even if the elk sort of clam up in the presence of predators.


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[Assistant] Does that mean they don't respond or come in or react to the calling of a hunter?


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[Assistant] Well, here's the last part of this question.


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[Assistant] I've done a bunch of e-scouting. I found areas at higher elevations with some northeast and northwest facing bedding slopes that have the right aspect and the right slope angle. I think these are some good spots. However, I went up there.


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[Assistant] To the area I planned to hunt and I was doing it just to have a look around. I came across some areas lower that were filled with elk beds and scat.


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[Assistant] And a lot of fresh rubs. I can only guess that the elk are


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[Assistant] They're pursuing the best food source at that time and that's what could have brought them down low. It's especially surprising given that there are cabins nearby. I always thought you find elk as far away from people as possible.


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[Assistant] For me, it's, you know, a cow elk is going to be wherever the best possible food is at the lowest risk and the lowest energy to intake that food. So it.


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[Assistant] It doesn't surprise me that he would find elk and rubs and beds and fresh scat in a place that he says is premium food. It's like.


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[Assistant] That's where they're going to be and if they do get disturbed, yeah, they're probably going to bump up a little higher in elevation. But if they have everything they need there, they'll put up with a little bit of human presence in the way of cabins or whatever.


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[Assistant] If it's the best possible food, that's what cow elk are gonna do.


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[Assistant] They got it. They're in that window right now where they quit lactating about a week ago. So they've lost that demand on them and now they've got six to eight weeks to just get fat.


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[Assistant] In maybe slightly different areas in this archery seasons of pre-rut and peak rut, because the cows, that's just what they gotta do.


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[Assistant] If they're going to get fat, they aren't going to do that up in the marginal places of rock and ice or, you know, out in the hot desert, burned up, south facing, slow areas.


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[Assistant] There's certain bands that provide that. And so if I am, I wouldn't, I wouldn't tell my buddies about that spot. I'd go in there and hunt it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I'd put it in, I'd put it in the context of rifle seasons. They're going to be up higher.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's, for me, this time of year, I'm all about trying to be a student of the forage. I want, I want to think like a cow out this time of year. And, uh, that's, uh,


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[Assistant] He, he laughed at me, he said, I know why you're going there because you know that elk and grouse, he loved the same places to forage. I'm like, dang, I got ratted out on that one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he knows what I'm looking for, but, uh, I, I, I don't care. All the, all the other stuff that I focus on for rifle seasons, I have to compartmentalize that.


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[Assistant] And say, okay, that's for the later part of October and November.


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[Assistant] Now it's about food, food patterns and finding cow elk.


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[Assistant] So don't make it any more complicated than that is what I tell you.


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[Assistant] I dunno, I'm pretty simple Cory, I gotta make it simple or I'm not gonna have any luck.


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[Assistant] That always brings the concern about meat and how do you get that meat cooled off? How do you keep it from spoiling? Or maybe I should say that the other way. How do you keep it from spoiling? Which the answer is usually get it cooled off right away. How do you get it cooled off right away under these conditions?


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[Assistant] Somewhere I read what the internal core temperature of an elk is and I'm


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[Assistant] Mad at myself right now that I can't confirm it. I'm looking through my cheat sheet here.


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[Assistant] So I would suggest anybody get that hide off as fast as possible because that is the constraining factor for the heat to transfer. You know, you put up barriers and all of a sudden heat is retained and that's, you know, there's a reason when you go to the butcher or the meat shop, they have the meat in a cooler. You know, they don't have it under sun lamps.


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[Assistant] Again, I know people are like, well that's Newburgh, I know that, that's a stupid answer. No, the answer is there for the illustration as dramatically


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[Assistant] Uh, stated as it could be that you have to get the heat out of that meat, so.


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[Assistant] And how, uh, you can do a lot with it. You can hang it, keep it in the shade, let the wind blow on it. You know, there's all kinds of little things you do and once it's cooled to its core, down to that bone you were talking about.


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[Assistant] You can put it in a cooler without much ice and it's gonna stay really, really good.


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[Assistant] And if you don't have access to dry ice, try to bring frozen milk jugs or frozen water bottles or something so that you won't get as much moisture.


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[Assistant] If you're left with the choice between cube ice and block ice, go with block ice.


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[Assistant] Here's what I do if I'm stuck in that situation. I prop up one end of my cooler and I put the other end with the valve open so that any melting that could happen from ice will instantly drain out of there.


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[Assistant] That's a short term fix, you don't want to have that for the long term.


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[Assistant] Uh, and usually I try to put some sort of, I don't care, I've used sticks, I've used trekking poles, I've used whatever to try to keep that quarter from sitting on the bottom of my cooler.


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[Assistant] Just tilt it a little bit, give it a little bit of incline and just open most, like on my Yeti coolers they have the drain valve and you look close, there's a hole punched in there and if you point that to the bottom,


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[Assistant] It's going to drain out of there. There's going to be almost no accumulation of water in there because I know a lot of places people are out a long time and their only choice is block ice or cubed ice. I avoid cubed ice like I avoid the plague man.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, today we're supposed to have a high of 97 degrees, but tonight,


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is a pretty high nighttime temperature for us. It's supposed to get down to 56. If I was up in the mountains, that nighttime temperature is going to drop down into the 40s. I would rather keep that elk hanging in a tree at night and let that 40 degree temperature cool it and the wind cool it than to throw it in a cooler. That, as weird as this may sound, might be warmer than that outside temperature.


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[Assistant] I'm just a big fan of trying to keep it cool, shaded.


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[Assistant] Until I have to hit the road and when I have to hit the road, get after it as quick as possible. If I'm going to load my coolers, I try to load them early in the morning when my cooler is at a colder temperature and when the meat is at a colder temperature.


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[Assistant] Yeah, otherwise I'll, rather than put it in a cooler, I'll just throw it in the back of my truck in, in good synthetic game bags.


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[Assistant] And just take off. I don't wanna have to mess with what's gonna happen if this meat doesn't get cooled off quick enough.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I've heard pronghorn get as high as a hundred and three degrees. Um, and I, I know I'm not off by too much, but


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[Assistant] I guess we're all somewhere in that ballpark, just know that they...


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[Assistant] You're talking about this huge mask.


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[Assistant] And it can retain a lot of heat just because of how big of a mass it is. And you need air flow to carry that heat away. Uh, air flow that is not inhibited by the leather of a hide. The thick leather of a hide. Yeah. I mean, if, if, if you're out on a hot July day,


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[Assistant] And you're wearing your, your sandals down at the lake or you're wearing your, your leather hiking boots.


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[Assistant] Going barefoot or wearing a sandal. And I mean, that's really the same thing when you leave the hide on an elk. It just, I think we've made the point.


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[Assistant] Well, the other thing that I'm kind of dealing with is I've got an antelope in my freezer and that's about all I've got in my freezer right now. I got a little bit of elk meat left and a little bit of moose meat left. If I see a cow elk, I'm going to zip an arrow at it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I'm here just to tell everybody right now, if I shoot a cow out, don't be disappointed because I'm going to do that. I'm just.


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[Assistant] So getting that out there right now, I have no problem arrowing a cow elk in the next few days. So. Oh, there's no better meat.


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[Assistant] Since I'm gonna be looking for cow elk in feed patterns to attract bulls, the only thing I'm not allowed to arrow is a spike. Any branch antler bull or any antlerless elk is fair game, so. We'll see. Maybe I won't even see an elk.


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[Assistant] This spot has intrigued me for years, Corey. So I just gotta go do it. Okay.


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[Assistant] Dang, I'm going to have to come up with a better trick to convince you to do something like that next time.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't, I don't blame you. So, but what else we got to cover? Anything? I'm sorry folks that, that we've, uh,


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[Assistant] Been a while we were supposed to do a podcast that was supposed to drop in mid August that was supposed to get recorded at Park City Elk Camp, but they canceled us.


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[Assistant] And, uh, they kinda put everything off kilter.


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[Assistant] They didn't cancel us, the outcalling contest was still going on and they said that's more important than listening to Corey and Randy.


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[Assistant] Well, I ended up with a pronghorn tag in Nevada off their first come first serve list. So I was gone and then my son ended up with one. So I was gone for two weeks and I'm like, Hey Cory, I'm sorry. I can't do a podcast and I'm chasing pronghorn.


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[Assistant] And you're like, oh that's alright, I'm gonna go Alcon. So here we are. Sorry folks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so hopefully people understand that we're out there doing it and not.


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[Assistant] So now I'm really looking forward to it. This is kinda the shift of gears for me from pronghorn to elk. And there is nothing more exhilarating than hunting elk when they're bugling. It's just, it's...


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[Assistant] It's kind of, I would say the next five weeks are pretty much what we all look forward to. You know, if you're a Western honor, this is it. This is the time.


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[Assistant] I'm looking at this drop in temperatures and I wish that would have happened about a week ago because


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[Assistant] Good guy. He was there out hunting for his own stuff. He wasn't filming that time.


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[Assistant] Cool. Well, I don't know when we'll get to touch base again. Maybe when I get out of the woods and in, uh, Wyoming, I can tell you if the general Wyoming elk tag is also my favorite elk tag. Or if it's, maybe I'll just tell everybody, you know, don't waste your time. Corey's BSing you when he tells you that there's elk in Wyoming. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Bo Beatty and my buddy Mike Spitzer were taking llamas in. Bo's already fired up. He's like, how many llamas you want to take? I'm like, I don't know. We'll be lucky if we shoot one. So, oh, we got to bring this many. And I'm like, Bo, come on, man.


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[Assistant] We're going to need to bring a shepherd just to take care of llamas for part of the time we're there.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So I, I guess that's just, if you're a llama rancher.


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[Assistant] What the heck. We'll see how it goes. But Bo has a deer tag in addition to an out tag and he's been calling me like, man, I hope I don't get too distracted by the deer.


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[Assistant] I, I don't care what, you know, whatever gets you excited. Shoot it. I don't have a deer tag. So.


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[Assistant] Well, with that, why don't we, uh, go get our bags back then go do some hunting. Well, you probably got to go processing out, but I gotta go. I gotta get my bags back. Yeah, you're unpacking. I'm packing, but we'll, uh, we'll cross paths again soon. Hopefully. Sounds great. Thanks Randy.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations so we usually go down some rabbit holes but if you


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[Assistant] This, uh, spring weather we're getting is, uh, kicking loose a bunch of pollen. Yeah. Little.


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[Assistant] Yeah, start now, uh, working to prevent it because...


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[Assistant] You know, everybody always said, oh, wait till you're 30. Oh, wait till you're 40. Oh, wait till you're 50. And you know, I, I held it at bay pretty good. I didn't put a lot of effort into holding it at bay, but I, I thought, well, I'm going to stay in shape at least. And I think it worked to a degree, but I didn't work hard enough in the right directions.


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[Assistant] That seems to be the root. And I've got so much imbalance from, you know, I started shooting a bow, a compound bow when I was eight.


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[Assistant] So the entire right side of my back and my shoulders and traps and everything are just.


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[Assistant] Considerably more developed than the left side which causes spine rotation and hip compensation and


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[Assistant] All this stuff. So a lot of my workout now is just, you know, trying to get more symmetry and.


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[Assistant] You know, left side and right side, which is hard to do when you've developed it for 40 years and then decide you're going to try to do the opposite side. It doesn't pick up quite as quickly as it should.


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[Assistant] I can't complain at all. I just, I'm at a point where it's like, man, if I would have started this 20 years ago, as far as developing that symmetry and doing things that would prolong the longevity,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the only thing I have to complain about is just waking up. I talked to a buddy of mine, Tony Mudd, and he's, I think he's 61 or 62 and he is in incredibly good shape.


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[Assistant] And, uh, talk to him and like, man, do you have any aches and pains? And he just laughed and he said every single day. And, uh, he's like, you know, stretching is, has become just as important as weightlifting. Just you wake up in the morning, stiff and sore and just a few minutes of doing the right stretches and you feel a lot better mentally and physically.


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[Assistant] No, and I think back is, uh, it's one of those things, man, I've had back issues. I've never had a bad back. You know, I, I've got a...


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[Assistant] A pretty good back, but like I said, with that right side being


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[Assistant] So much more developed. It did put a twist in my spine that, you know.


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[Assistant] They just, my muscles have to compensate a little more on the left side. And so I did have the, I was, I was predisposed to, uh, tweaking my back before I really started working it and getting good exercises. And yeah, there's just nothing like, even just a sore back, you know, and your back spasms and a,


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[Assistant] A rib goes out or something, it's debilitating. And so people who have like chronic bad backs, I just don't feel for them.


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[Assistant] I actually, a lot of my exercises do simulate drawing a bow left-handed, um, and work in that, but it's just, you know how it is. I would shoot hundreds of arrows a day when I was younger.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I still shoot quite a bit and so it just...


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[Assistant] When you do that, there's, there's no exercise that you can do in


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[Assistant] Five or ten minutes that replaces shooting a hundred arrows right handed on your bow. It's just, you really need to be developing that symmetry.


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[Assistant] In the gym and then going and shooting your bow and, and probably.


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[Assistant] You know, I had a lot of bad habits shooting a bow and so I would shoot hundreds and hundreds of arrows thinking that the more I shot, the, uh, the more I'd be able to overcome those habits and that's not the way it goes. I'd have been much better off shooting six or eight arrows doing it the right way.


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[Assistant] That was one of my habits is I, uh, I had a real bad habit of punching the trigger, you know, just I could hold the pins right on the target and hold it steady until I put my finger anywhere near the trigger. And then the pins started wobbling. And that's, I mean, that's a classic form of target panic.


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[Assistant] And, uh, rather than training my brain to overcome that when I was young, I trained my finger to drop really quickly. And of course then you end up with all sorts of bad habits, but I had a, uh,


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[Assistant] Guy that was an archery coach told me one time, you need to shoot a true back tension release. You can't punch it. It's going to help you solve that problem.


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[Assistant] And I said, man, I don't know. And it was pretty severe at the time. I was in my early twenties and he gave me a thumb release to try and I put it on and I punched it so badly. He said, give me that back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, it was, it was a mental thing that I'm able to, to control mentally now. And I know Joel Turner talks a lot with that shot IQ program he has about, you know, it is a mental process and once you get on top of it, you can train your brain. It's, uh,


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[Assistant] Um, but for me, you know, I've, I was able to train my eye and my brain together that, hey,


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[Assistant] It's okay to be able to have the crosshairs on the target and your finger on the trigger.


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[Assistant] And then squeeze through it. And so with a rifle rested, it's easy to train your, your eye and your brain together. And then we get back on a bow. Cause that was my biggest deal was my pins. I could hold them right. I mean, I could lock on and they wouldn't move on the dot until I started that, that process of putting my finger up on the trigger.


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[Assistant] And then my brain started saying, you know, okay, we got to get ready. We got to react here and you only want to hit the trigger right when the dots there and the pins are on the dot. And, uh.


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[Assistant] And I would tell myself I'm not gonna shoot and I'd put the pins on the dot and my finger on the trigger and I'd hold it there for 10 seconds and then I'd let the bow down.


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[Assistant] It was the craziest thing. It was almost like, you know, my brain wouldn't let me not pull the trigger. And once I overcame that and got to where I could put the pin on there and tell myself I'm not going to shoot, hold my finger on there, let my brain say, okay, it's okay. It's okay. We don't have to shoot. We can have both things happen in it once here.


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[Assistant] And I think that's what a, you know, a back tension release or a thumb release helps you do is it's more of a surprise. So you're focused on aiming.


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[Assistant] And you're able to just, you know, fire kind of not at random, but it goes off when you're ready and you can focus on aiming.


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[Assistant] It's, uh, there's, there's processes there for sure. And brain, the brain's a wonderful thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's been super helpful for me. It's having a two stage trigger where you pull into it.


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[Assistant] And then you get a second resistance there. And you know, like you said, it's crisp on that second one. So once you come into it, it's, uh, it's ready. Yep. But you can't.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you can't jerk into that second stage, which is nice. It makes you squeeze to that point.


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[Assistant] So it slows, it slows the bullet down is what I know. I just put a suppressor on mine last week. Uh, Tyler and I started a little video series of a bunch of different shooting


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[Assistant] The, uh, background, nine month background checks and, uh, got them. And so I put it on and went straight to the range and, uh, yeah, I think it slowed it down. You know, I didn't chronograph it, but just using the app and changing velocities to get my impacts right.


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[Assistant] Um, it seemed like it was about 80 feet per second that it slowed it down with the suppressor.


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[Assistant] And we were shooting out to 800 yards at the range. So, you know, I was, you know, the farther out you get the, I think the better it is to make your adjustments because it's, you know, at 200 yards, you're like, well, I'm only a half inch low, but then you get out to 800 yards and you're three feet low.


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[Assistant] So uh, you know, changing my velocity in the app to get the, to get my ballistics right, uh, on the dope was, uh,


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[Assistant] It was about 80 feet per second to where I got to where I was back on with my, uh, with my radical change, so.


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[Assistant] It was funny, we were shooting little steel, like 12, 12 by 12 at 600 and a 12 by 16 at 800 and I couldn't hit the steel at 800 and the weather wasn't perfect. It was a little rainy and we'd get a little gust every now and then. So I'm using that as a bit of an excuse, but we even talked that


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[Assistant] I hit three out of three, center of the steel at 400 yards. Uh, first one was center of the steel at 600 and then I missed the next two and then I didn't hit steel with three shots at 800 and so.


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[Assistant] Pretty consistently on this deal there, but 800 was, you could tell it was.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I haven't seen a whole lot of, you know, negative comments when we...


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[Assistant] Got on the political bandwagon earlier this spring. There were a few people that were calling us out, but uhm, yeaah. No, the comments have been good. No, I think, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, one of the, one of the topics I got messaged a bunch was, uh, I mentioned I got Lyme disease back in 2009.


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[Assistant] And I got a lot of comments about that and questions about that. And then, uh.


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[Assistant] You know, I think anytime you start telling hunting stories, which is what I'm doing in that mini series, uh, you know, people like to hear a good story.


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[Assistant] No, didn't rearrange them at all. I would never say I hate Randy. I think at that point that was like day four or five of our hunt and I think that was our first call in. In fact, I think that was the only call in we had.


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[Assistant] And uh, you know, we had gotten in front of that bull. I, in fact, in my, in the reaching your peak episode where I talk about it, I said, I don't know if Randy would have given me credit for actually calling that bull in because we heard him bugling and he was heading to his bedding area and we kind of just got in front of him and cut him off. And we pulled him a little bit, but it probably, you know, between,


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[Assistant] I don't know that that was actually considered a call in anyway. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] You know, set up in front of the stuff. So, I, uh, things happen and especially in the heat of the moment there, but not having a diaphragm in your mouth, that's, that should be automatic. And so that's a good reminder for both of us, plus anyone who's listening, we can, uh,


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[Assistant] We can share that the one calling we had on that entire hunt.


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[Assistant] With two camera guys over your shoulder, the bull broadside at 25 yards in a lane could have been pretty epic, but.


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[Assistant] But there was, there was some pretty good video of Randy making some, uh, natural but probably unique and unauthentic sounds trying to get the elk to stop.


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[Assistant] I'm planning on doing, I think, you know, there's, there's two things there first.


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[Assistant] They're getting extra episodes, so we're doing them in between our regular episodes, so now we're kinda, we've doubled the.


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[Assistant] Frequency that we're putting episodes out. And so I think, uh.


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[Assistant] We're getting more comments from that, but then, uh, there's, you know, me being able to talk about you without you there to defend yourself, I think.


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[Assistant] We, uh, we get a handful of emails with questions about


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[Assistant] You just aren't going to, I mean, no matter if somebody is adverse to hunting in grizzly country, which there's don't, there is no judgment here because it's not your normal hunting experience, but


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[Assistant] And so it's not a matter of just convincing somebody to go that, Hey, it's going to be okay. Let's just go.


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[Assistant] A grizzly bear is outside the tent. They're gonna, you know.


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[Assistant] Walk around every little brush by and i know because i hate rattlesnakes.


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[Assistant] You're not going to be able to drag them along and make them feel comfortable.


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[Assistant] And not going to the preferred spot can't become a crutch or a, a, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, you can't hold that against your hunting partner when things get tough. No going into it that we're not going. I'm a hundred percent committed. If things get tough, I'm not going to hold a grudge and say, well, if we'd went to my spot, this wouldn't have happened or.


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[Assistant] And this fiance is strongly against hunting.


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[Assistant] I have too many buddies that, you know, their wife's not against hunting, they're just against


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[Assistant] They have not been able to enjoy a week of peaceful hunting.


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[Assistant] Since I got married and things just usually don't change. So, you know, it's hard to go into a relationship like that, expecting someone to change, especially on something as fundamental as that. But with that being said, um, I know people that have married


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[Assistant] People who were vegans and didn't hunt and they got them into hunting and now they hunt and eat meat and everything, so.


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[Assistant] They, they, they've got limited vacation time. So rather than being selfish with the vacation time and going by themselves.


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[Assistant] Would it be possible to take the family and have a family vacation hunting? Yeah.


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[Assistant] And you want to spend it with your family. First off, is your family on board with that? Do they want to go El Cunting or?


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[Assistant] Are they gonna have a, you know, would they be happier at home?


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[Assistant] You know, well, you're, well, you're out elk hunting. So I think that's a, sometimes we think, well, you know, I want to go elk hunting and I'll bring my family along with me and I'll go out elk hunting and you leave them at camp or in a cabin or whatever it is.


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[Assistant] And I know my wife, when our kids were young,


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[Assistant] She was much more comfortable at home where she had everything she needed rather than, you know, we, we camped a ton. But if I was to give her a choice between spending a week in a tent with a toddler or a newborn versus staying at home where she's comfortable with that, uhm,


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[Assistant] Do i need to be back at camp every day middle of the day are you okay if i hunt every morning until nine or ten o'clock and then i come back and we hang out as a family and then maybe in the evening we go out as a family for a hike and try to do something to bugle i get my alone time hunting in the morning but we spend the rest of the day together's family being clear on that good nothing worse than.


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[Assistant] You saying we're going on a family vacation and, and your family's expectation is.


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[Assistant] We're all going to be together for seven days and your expectation is my family is going to sit at camp and be happy because they're on a vacation and I'm going to be off by myself all day. Um, that's, that's a disaster. So.


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[Assistant] If you're taking a three year old hunting with you, which I think is one of the most important things you can do.


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[Assistant] You have to make it about them. You're not there hunting. I'm trying to fill your tag. That is secondary, tertiary, whatever, you know, on down the line. Primary is.


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[Assistant] You make sure that three year old has fun and you make it about them. And if they want to stop and ask you about an amp pile and they want to kick that amp pile while there's an elk bugling down the hill, they kick that amp pile and.


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[Assistant] And when they start screaming because they got bit by the ants, that's just part of kicking the ant pile and, and you have to be, you know, have realistic expectations there, so.


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[Assistant] And for somebody who's not a hunter or not used to hunting,


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[Assistant] One bad experience that you force upon somebody


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[Assistant] We'll have far more weight than 10 good experiences that, that happens. So yeah, make it, make it a good experience. If the weather's bad, build a fire and hang out at the fire. Um, go back to the truck, you know,


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[Assistant] Didn't want to be out in that. Some of them thrived and they want, they were the ones dragging me over the next mountain. And so you've got to just, you've got to cater it to them. And that's.


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[Assistant] Jesse just graduated high school this last weekend and she's 18 and.


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[Assistant] You know, I did, uh, put together a little video montage for one of our, her favorite songs that, you know, we kind of, a daddy daughter song is just fishing by Trace Atkins and it's, you know, we aren't only fishing or we ain't only fishing.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so I put together from the time she was a newborn, her holding the fishing pole.


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[Assistant] And all of these fishing trips that we've been on, you know, and everything. And it just, as you look at it.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, I ended it with her shooting a giant bowl last year with her bow.


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[Assistant] And you know, those, those experiences, you have to start small. You have to make it about them and they have to grow into wanting to go with you.


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[Assistant] And the other thing is even as they get older and they have school, you know, they're, they're fully capable hunting partners now. Um, but they don't have the luxury of time that I have and that I expect. And so it'd be really easy for me to say, well, I'm just going to go on my out of state hunt for two weeks. And, you know, cause they can't go.


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[Assistant] Make the sacrifice to take those times and spend that time with them because, like you said, there's nothing more rewarding. I've hunted my whole life, I've hunted with hunting partners, some great hunting partners.


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[Assistant] But there is, there's no memory I have that is as special to me as those experiences with my kids.


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[Assistant] I think it's probably worthy of a whole episode itself. Okay.


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[Assistant] You know, it's been 14 years and I still have some effects from it and, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, I haven't, I haven't really talked too much about it for a long time and part of that is


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[Assistant] Uh, when I first, you know, found out I had it or even before I found out I had it and thought I might have it.


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[Assistant] I couldn't find any information. I couldn't find any help. And you know, I get, I get frustrated. All these forums or whatever, people would say, I have this symptom, I have this, you know, but then nobody would ever come back and say, well, here's what helped. You know, I had it too. It seemed like all these people either still had it and just gave up or they,


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[Assistant] You know, got over it and moved on and left all the other people just sitting there feeling hopeless. And so a lot of it was, I didn't want to talk about having it and dealing with it and not having an answer.


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[Assistant] You know, I guess there's no, no hope for us. And so I didn't say it was a long struggle and they're still lingering.


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[Assistant] Moving forward with, with what's left and


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[Assistant] Uh, good to talk about from the beginning, you know, how I got it, how, uh,


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[Assistant] The diagnosis, the symptoms, the treatments, uh, where we're at and all that, but it'll, uh, it would probably have tendency to get very lengthy and, uh, there's a lot there. There is just, it's a topic that.


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[Assistant] Well, I think, you know, we, we mentioned that we've got these issues, but, um,


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[Assistant] Some of those things, I mean, it really is. Some days it's just, it's literally a matter of.


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[Assistant] Put one foot in front of the other and knowing or at least hoping tomorrow is going to be better. And I think there's, there's some value there for sure. And hopefully there's enough value in what I've learned in 14 years of dealing with it.


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[Assistant] Uh, to be able to help somebody else that maybe is going through it or know somebody is, cause it's Lyme disease is just, it's, I think it's the number one fastest growing disease in, in America and you know, it's, it's becoming a lot more prevalent. When I was first diagnosed with it, it was,


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[Assistant] I've been to everything from a cardiologist to a witch doctor that gives veterinary antibiotics. So it's, you know, and there's a whole spectrum of people in between there, but it's becoming a much bigger conversation now and more people, you know, you look at,


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[Assistant] I think Justin Bieber and Avril Lavigne and some notable people that


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[Assistant] You know, can't hike, literally can't hike up the mountain or you know, they're sitting there in camp with a pick line to their heart, giving them antibiotics because they're giving them, you know, cancer treatment medication.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it's like, you know, you kick yourself in the rear end and it's like, quit feeling sorry for yourself. You know, it's, yeah, it might be hard breathing. You might not be able to get the oxygen you need to get. Yeah. Your back might hurt, whatever it is. You're still out doing it. Quit focusing on.


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[Assistant] Man, I don't know, and I think I told you, I remember looking around the airport for the four hours I was sitting there.


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[Assistant] Courses for a outdoor class and uh, Sunday afternoon, I'm sitting in the airport waiting for them to call my number. I mean, I'm literally standing with my bags in my hand at the, uh, at the gate ready to go get on the plane. And they said, well, we've got maintenance looking at a little issue. And after three hours, they finally said,


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[Assistant] Well folks, we've gone ahead and cancelled the flight for today. So we'll, uh, we'll see what we can do to get you on flights. It'll get you where you're going. And so I jumped online and there was actually a flight that afternoon that would still get me to Bozeman.


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[Assistant] And by the time I put it in my cart and hit, you know, exchange for my current flight, somebody else had taken it and there were no seats left. And then the next flight available didn't get me until midnight the next day and looking at that and then, I mean, it just.


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[Assistant] Turned into a bit of a circus and a logistic scheduling nightmare. So we canceled the trip and rescheduled it for later this summer.


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[Assistant] All of that extra good feed that they have is just going to maintain where they're at. They aren't able to put on.


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[Assistant] Anything extra, they aren't able to build reserves during that time, which you would think, you know, I think in my mind, even before you started, you know, doing some of this research and sharing it,


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[Assistant] Is man, the summer months are when they get fat. Summer months are when they're, you know, they're just building all this. They've got all that good feed. They aren't moving around there.


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[Assistant] They're just storing up and then, you know, come September, October, the nutritional values going down, but it's okay. They've already gained everything. Well, that's, that's not the case.


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[Assistant] They, uh, they have to use September, October, the first part of November to actually make the gains that they need. So that's why they're.


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[Assistant] They're so devoted to feed and not only feed, but the best feed.


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[Assistant] You couple the heat, thermal regulation during the summer with their lactating.


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[Assistant] And wolves who now have a den full of pups that they're teaching to hunt. So they're out continually during the summer months teaching them to hunt. That's a, I mean.


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[Assistant] Those are some pretty strong factors for an elk to have to overcome.


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[Assistant] Just to be able to maintain health, let alone build health.


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[Assistant] So is a liquid huckleberry brush be considered shrub? Because I know, you know, a lot of the Western States in elk country.


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[Assistant] You're looking, especially in the summer when they're green, I think in fall, the leaves start to die off. So probably not, not as nutritious, but they're pretty plentiful. So, so those shrubs, uh, you know, two foot to three foot high shrubs that you're seeing that you're walking through and you're scouting in July and August, that's prime feed for, for that timeframe.


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[Assistant] You aren't even scratching the surface here. We need a book or something.


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[Assistant] And compile it and organize it for me. That's what I want you to will me is the published book that you put out on Elk Forage.


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[Assistant] As quickly, so we think, you know, elk bed on North faces cause it's cooler there, especially in areas where it's shady, you know, where there's timber and cover, but.


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[Assistant] You mean there's no strategy involved in hunting a cow elk during that season? You just find the food and that's all there is to it?


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[Assistant] Doing a chapter for that same course on strategies and tactics for hunting cow elk during archery seasons.


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[Assistant] Which is way harder. Well, you know, I'm glad they left it to you. I don't think it is way harder. There's, uh, you know, finding elk is gonna be the same. You gotta find the feed sources and then the tactic once you find them.


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[Assistant] It's definitely harder to kill a cowlick with a bow once you find them than to shoot one with a rifle once you find them. But, uhm, well, I don't want to spoil it because it's...


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[Assistant] It's, uh, I think people are missing out by not hunting cow elk.


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[Assistant] So when's this, when's this class going to be, when's, when's the course on hunting Kal-El going to be available?


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[Assistant] Looks like it's gonna be August, so. Yeaah, so. I don't know.


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[Assistant] They're not going to go out and man, they'll get shut down in lawsuits. The second they say we're going to go out and.


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[Assistant] We hunt because that, that is the North American model of conservation. That's how we keep animals on the landscape. That's how we manage them. It just doesn't happen without hunting. It doesn't, it won't.


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[Assistant] You know, if hunting goes away, we can't pretend that the government's gonna come in and manage animals to conserve them. Yea, they'll put them on the endangered species list if they get too low. But what's that do? Put them on a list. Doesn't help them grow.


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[Assistant] You know, if, if there's no hunting out there, there's still going to be wild swings in populations of animals and without hunting out there to put the resources being


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[Assistant] Financially and energy time spent.


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[Assistant] For those who don't like hunting is the only viable management tool to ensure that all wildlife prosper.


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[Assistant] I don't see the government standing out on a street corner with a sign saying, you know, hire me to take care of your wildlife management. That's uh, I didn't realize that they were posting that job opening.


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[Assistant] To increase it, I think it's, uh, I love getting those emails, but I mean, when they come through, and a lot of people are very long-winded in their emails, which is fine. You know, sometimes we need the backstory to be able to understand where their question's coming from, and that's helpful.


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[Assistant] Uh, but man, yeah, the last couple of weeks I've been spending a lot of time just going through those emails.


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[Assistant] Yep. And, and one comment or question might spawn another 10 rabbit holes for Randy and I to explore. So keep them coming. Yep.


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[Assistant] Man, we're already halfway through October. I still, I'm still finding myself waking up thinking it's September.


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[Assistant] Did they quit bugling? Well, they're getting there. They start hearing those gunshots and for whatever reason, some of them get smart.


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[Assistant] So it started, uh, some of the units, uh, especially in the northern part of the state, the general season opens October 10th, and then down here where we're at, and most of them down here October 15th, so.


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[Assistant] I've had people tell me, you know, on these big private ranches where there's not much pressure and there's a lot of elk and they're just, you know, free to act normal, uh, they'll keep bugling actively into the middle of November sometimes, so. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Speaking of that, it's funny, you know, we, we always talk about it's okay to roll rocks and break branches, it's just natural sounds. We're in Colorado calling in elk and I look back and Donnie's back there grabbing handfuls of grass and carrying it just like an elk would be eating it, just


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[Assistant] Yeah, we actually, uh, we hunted the same area that you hunted with your buddy that had the super tag. Okay. In the middle of the month, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was great for that. The, the responsiveness, the vocalization from the elk was as good as I've ever seen. You know, they were very responsive.


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[Assistant] And then the antler growth this year was, I mean, and I'm not talking, you know, 380 bulls everywhere, but.


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[Assistant] Solid six points that normally would be a 270 bowl out there. They were 300. And the bowls, you know, and I told you the bodies on those things are so big out there. We always get fooled. We always, we're always 20 inches short at least on everything. So like, oh, that's a 300 inch bowl and we shoot it and get up there and it's at least 320.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think it was even worse this year. There were a couple of holes that...


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[Assistant] Uh, it was a ton of fun. So Nico was the young man who hunted with us this year and he came down from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Oh wow. Yeah. Cool.


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[Assistant] So, uh, came down, uh, his mom brought him down, drove down, and then he's got an uncle that went on the hunt with us as well.


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[Assistant] And he comes from a, you know, his mom's side of the family, they all hunt and grew up hunting and everything. But on his dad's side, that sounds like they, you know, not a lot of hunting background or history there. So he, uh, he hunted for deer in Saskatchewan last year. That was his first time going out and was not successful.


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[Assistant] Uh, so this was, uh, a big, big deal for him, you know, to be able to come down and do this. So uhm, he has no, no use of his legs, so he's 16.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he was born with spina bifida and has no use of his, his legs, no sensation, no feeling or anything. Uhm, so I mean it's, you know, we've, we've carried kiddos before.


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[Assistant] We use that, and my son Sam, who just turned 16 this past week, he was 15 at the time.


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[Assistant] They, uh, they bonded there and you know, same, the rest of the same group of guys. And I just can't say enough about.


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[Assistant] I think this is like six or seven years now and most of them have not even missed a year.


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[Assistant] Wow, and so they, you know, they sacrifice in the heart of elk season a week of their own hunting to be out there. And I think for those of us that have been there and experienced it,


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[Assistant] You couldn't keep us from that hunt. And it's just, yeah, it's, it's bigger than just an elk hunt. And I think that's the thing that it always.


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[Assistant] What gets just really concreted in our mind each season is this isn't just about elk hunting. This is about us, you know, sacrificing time that we normally would take for ourselves and thinking of somebody else and when you do that, it's, you know,


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[Assistant] I'm the worst. I'm the most selfish person when it comes to elk hunting and September's so short and just wanting to be out there to call in elk for myself or for my kiddos or for, you know, whoever it is.


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[Assistant] When you do something like this, and there was a time, uhm, I think it was on the second day, we were walking up the hill, had an elk bugling, and I just happened to turn around, because I'm always the one out in front, you know, I've got the bugle too, I'm going to go out there and find the elk, and I'm going to say, hey, we need to set up here.


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[Assistant] And I turned around and my 15 year old son Sam is carrying Nico up the hill. And I had to turn back around. I was like, I, you know, tears and everything. It just, it was so powerful to recognize that, hey,


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[Assistant] My son's getting a chance to be the legs for somebody else, uh, to do something we love and we take for granted. You know, you take for granted that, yeaah, sometimes we're out of shape and that mountain's steep and it sucks to climb up, uh.


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[Assistant] My favorite year, just for a bunch of reasons, but anyway, I'm, uh, I don't know where I was going or what I was rambling about there, but we, uh, we had an incredible time.


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[Assistant] And he was, we stopped and shot the rifle to make sure he was on and he shot a seven or eight shot group that was just.


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[Assistant] Within two or three inches, uh, just a really good shooter. Uh, he'd shoot and pull that trigger and you couldn't see anything move other than, other than the trigger just coming back smooth. And so he knew that if we got an elk in front of him and he was comfortable, it was, it was going to be good. Uh, what we didn't know is.


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[Assistant] And we're like, it's going to turn broadside when it turns broadside, we'll cow call. And you know, just in the time that the bull turns broadside and you've got to adjust the scope over to get on it. Uh, you know, it hesitated a little bit there and then it will turn and quartered away and he wasn't comfortable with the quartering away shot and.


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[Assistant] After three or four times of this, it was like, okay, we've, we've gotta get him.


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[Assistant] And we kept that bowl on the wide open hillside for probably three minutes and he wasn't shooting. So I finally went down to him like, Hey, are we shooting this bowl? You know, am I calling because I'm trying to keep it there and you're.


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[Assistant] You know, decided to pass it and, uh, Donnie said, no, we just can't get him stable enough on the platform. So we had a little, it's basically a little mini shooting bench, a little seat with a little, uh,


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[Assistant] Support out front, little support arm to put the rifle on and that support arm, just the angle of the hill and everything. Nico said, you know, when, when I put the crosshairs on the bull's shoulder, it would move from the top of the shoulder to the bottom of the shoulder to the back of the ribs. And I just wasn't comfortable shooting with it moving that much.


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[Assistant] I'll keep it short here because we are going to have a film come out with, uh, with all the footage, but we were able to call the bull back out on the hillside. Nico made a phenomenal shot. The bull took about three steps and started sliding down the hill and.


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[Assistant] Came to a rest about 20 yards away from where it was standing when he shot it. And, uh, he was able to make it down there. Sam was able to, to bring him down the mountain. Uh, his mom was there, his uncle was there, and, uh, just a incredible, incredible experience. And he shot a really beautiful seven by seven bull, so.


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[Assistant] And I wish I would have taken all of my kids on those hunts just for that experience. Uh, because like you said, it's, you just, it puts things in a different perspective. And a lot of times when you're 15 or 16, I don't think you get that perspective. It's hard to find experiences to help form that perspective.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we're very, very fortunate that he was able to be there and I'm sure it won't be the last time that he's involved with something like that. Oh, that's so cool.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so in fact, I didn't, I didn't get a chance to talk to you, but when you were out there with your buddy hunting, uhm, you told me the drainage that the bull was shot in, this one was in the same drainage.


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[Assistant] The, uh, he was a, he was a big growly sounding bugle, six point frame with a perfect matching little stickers in between his fourth and fifth on each side. Oh really? Wow. That's cool. Yeah. Pretty, pretty cool.


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[Assistant] I made a promise to one of the kiddos that, uh, you know, he just, he was saying a prayer out there and just said, you know, help these guys continue doing what they do. And I promised him after, after it was done, I said, as long as we keep getting awesome kiddos like you, I will keep doing this forever. So.


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[Assistant] I'll uh, I think I'll be there doing that even when I'm not able to hunt for myself.


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[Assistant] We, uh, we actually just released a film on our YouTube channel from, uh, Austin, who is a young man we got to hunt with a couple of years ago. And that one, uh, I put together a film from that hunt. It's just out on our YouTube channel, but it's one, uh, don't watch it.


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[Assistant] Thanks, thanks for doing that. It means a lot to a lot of people.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, it means a lot to us. And like I said, it's, uh, we're, we receive far more than we give off of those hunts. And, you know, I just credit Donnie. He's the one that got us involved with it initially. And he went out, you know, first time had an opportunity to go and he came back and just said, we, we have to find a way to do this every year.


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[Assistant] And so he's kind of the one that takes the reins and does all the logistics and make sure everything's in place to, to be able to do those hunts. Cool.


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[Assistant] Well, what's your, uh, I think your, your needs in the different seasons and the peak rut, what are, what are needs one through 99? Yeah, cows. Cows.


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[Assistant] I could not believe it, but yeah. We saw the same thing. Most of the yoke that we shot had more fat than what I've been used to seeing. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Those are fun to be a part of when you get a...


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[Assistant] See somebody get that excited, whether it's their first elk or first bull and those are neat experiences.


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[Assistant] You need some? Well, I've got four llamas reserved for the first week of November.


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[Assistant] Two feet of snow or it could be 70 degrees.


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[Assistant] But it's just, I mean there's, there's lessons to be learned.


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[Assistant] In each of those periods in each of those styles of hunting, so I think, you know, by going and doing that, not only is it a, a refresher, but it's going to help you be able to share that information that, Hey, here's, here's what I observed. Here's what I did to.


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[Assistant] Use the pressure to my advantage or whatever it is and.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sometimes it's okay taking a day or two off on the weekend, knowing that the elk are going to be pressured and people are going to be out there. We take those days off and then go back out there, so.


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[Assistant] Well, and I, uh, I heard a, uh, just a little quote the other day, just a little phrase that I absolutely love. And I've always said, you know, failure is sometimes more, uh, educational than success and, and that, but, uh, this little saying was failure is feedback.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so it's just like, man, failure is, it's a positive thing as long as we apply it.


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[Assistant] The right way and so put yourself in a situation where chances of failure are higher chances of learning are also higher if you if you're prepared for that.


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[Assistant] Go back in about seven or eight miles and set up a little base camp back in there.


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[Assistant] Hunt the steep nasty stuff where those bulls were hoping that that first week in November, they're kinda maybe coming out of sanctuary a little bit and willing to stay out in the open looking for feed.


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[Assistant] Either that or we could each pack a deer in all of our gear and just walk out with the two elk on the llamas and do it on trip. You go right ahead.


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[Assistant] Big five points, big five points look even bigger because they're five points and that's, they just look cool. Jesse shot that five point, it was nowhere near three fifty, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was a very healthy five point mature bull and just didn't grow sixes. You know, sometimes you'll get them just little one inch nubs or something. It's like, well, it's pretty much a five point. But when you see those two five points at that, like you said, that back into the whale tail is just slick. It's, that's pretty cool looking.


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[Assistant] Well, so last time, last time we did a llama hunt, we, uh, you know, we just left the llamas at camp. And so when I shot my bowl, John volunteered to go the three miles, whatever it was back to camp. I mean, like 2,600 vertical drop and then 2,600 back up.


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[Assistant] Just to get the llamas to pack it out. And I'm like, I think we can get in one trip just on our backs. Like we've got the llamas there. So he went back and got them. I, uh, I'm pretty sure this year we're going to be taking a couple llamas with us every day so that we don't have to make extra trips.


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[Assistant] I know and I got thinking, I can just carry my rifle on. I don't have to carry a backpack. No, but the backpacks on the llamas when you just carry a rifle and just take them everywhere.


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[Assistant] Oh, I forgot to tell you. So, Nico, the young man who came down from Saskatoon and hunted with us,


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[Assistant] Their family owns the Dairy Queen in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. No way! Way!


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[Assistant] Uh, I told them they quit making the strawberry cheesequake blizzards down here, which was always my favorite. And, uh, they said, well, all you have to do is go in and ask them, they'll custom make one. Like if they have the ingredients, they should be able to custom make it. So that gave me newfound confidence in Dairy Queen.


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[Assistant] And this is how he stays alive, is by paying attention to, well, if I go stand over


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[Assistant] Really getting with it. Uh, but then he shut up.


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[Assistant] What should I have done? Should I have called? Did I set up in the wrong place?


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. To become a member, go to rmef.org.


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[Assistant] The podcast is also brought to you by Gerber, uh, go to gerbergear.com and learn about the knives, the vital, the big game vital, the gauge premium, all the things that we use when we're out in the woods and not just knives but also some really cool multi tools that they have.


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[Assistant] WorkDoc Podcast is also brought to you by GoHunt.com. Uh, go to GoHunt.com and sign up for the Insider. The Insider is changing how hunts and hunting information are found. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Use promo code ALKTOCK and when you do, when you sign up for the insider, you're going to get $50 of store credit, mad money, in their gear shop.


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[Assistant] Hey Cory, is it as hot in central Idaho today as it is in Montana?


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[Assistant] It's uh, it's in the 90s here in Bozeman, which is, I didn't move here to have 90 degree temperatures, man.


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[Assistant] I don't know, did I tell you the story about there were, uh,


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[Assistant] Three women getting off the airplane when I flew home a couple weeks ago. And I helped, I, so they're all about my age, maybe a little older. And one was struggling to get her bags out of the overhead. I'm like, let me get that for you, ma'am. And I got it for you, for her. And so we're walking off the airplane and walking down the,


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[Assistant] Whatever you want to call it, you know, the hallway that leads to the baggage claim. And she's like, are you from around here? I'm like, yeah, I live here.


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[Assistant] I should have either pushed her down or slammed her hand in the overhead or something and said, look, I live in Bozeman, I don't want you people here.


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[Assistant] And so I'm like, oh, where are you from? She told me. She's like, yeah, my two girlfriends are coming behind, all three of us. We're all moving here because one of our friends just moved here and she loves it and we're, we're here house hunting. I'm like, dang it.


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[Assistant] There was my chance to deter four people from, or at least three of them from moving here.


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[Assistant] If you drive out to my house, it's one of the main roads going south of town. The speed limit is 60. I drive 45.