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[Assistant] That's what we gotta, we gotta talk to him about that. It's one of the first things I want to ask about because I mean, I just want to know, man, you're enjoying eating when you're, there's nothing to worry about. Uh, he's not living like you and I are. So yeah, I do. I want to know that for sure and ask him what this whole process is like.


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[Assistant] I know, I know. It's all over the place. I think at the end of the day, I see it being somewhere between, you know, 18 and 32, depending how it all shakes out, but I think that could be more the wheelhouse of where he ends up when all's said and done.


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[Assistant] What are you talking like five meals? What are we doing? Are we doing five meals a day? Like let me hear your normal workout day. Like if you were getting close to the combine or your pro day, let me hear like your day, your daily grind of eating and your workout regimen and how that goes down.


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[Assistant] Wow. Well done. Damn. Are you counting calories at this point or does it not even matter? It's just shovel it in your face.


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[Assistant] Did you, I didn't mean to cut you off, uh, but did you, did you have a problem, you know, at first dealing or keeping your speed up as you started to put weight on? Because I always hear that's a common issue for guys that are trying to do that.


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[Assistant] Okay. Very nice. Tampa Bay. Alright, and if you can, share us like, what else? Who are the other five teams that are on the list going forward here? And how many visits total are you gonna have when all's said and done, if you don't mind me asking?


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[Assistant] Are you exhausted yet? I know you're excited, but I know when I got done with the process, I was like, damn, can we get this draft here already and can I play football? Because you have no time off as a college player getting ready for the NFL draft.


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[Assistant] But you're always on the move, going to a new place, and if you like football and want to be good at it, you feel like, okay, I know I have to do this, but it's taking away from what I want to be as a player, and that can stress you out. I guess that's what you're kind of saying, right?


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[Assistant] Do you got a feel on, do you think you're going to be an end of the first round, middle of the first round, second round? I think you're like, just so you know and we're transparent here, I think you're somewhere between 20 and 32 in the NFL draft because you're, you're a freak of nature coming off the edge. You got any feel for this yet?


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[Assistant] And from that, like, again, we know you're a stud. What is the one thing teams are telling you or question you about your play on the field? Like, what is there one area where you go, okay, I mean, I obviously need to improve in this area because teams keep asking me about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's right. Alright, so alright, you get in the NFL. I want to ask anybody that's coming out, what's the first thing you're buying there? Because you're about to be, you know, big dollars, big cash. I want to know what the first thing you're going to buy for yourself.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright, and then here's another thing I gotta ask. I ask anybody this. Who was your favorite player growing up? Any reason you wear 99? And who's the guy you can't wait to hit when you get into the NFL? Who do you got your, your, your sights on?


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[Assistant] Is that why you wear 99? That's it, right there?


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[Assistant] You gonna go with Brady? Okay, that's alright. Yep. Yeah, I'd say, listen, he's, we've asked a few players this and, uh, he's at the top of a lot of people's lists. It's all about Brady. So, okay, just be careful, man. He's, you know, you gotta respect your elders. Don't hit him too hard.


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[Assistant] What it felt like. It is, uh, I feel like that's gonna be everybody's, everybody's pick on the defensive side of the ball. I mean, pretty much. I understand it.


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[Assistant] No, they can't because even when they go, you know, just for instance, even if you think you're going to be a top 10 pick, you're like, you know, like, okay, I'm going to be a top 10 pick.


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[Assistant] Team number 25 wants to take a visit. Even though you go, okay, I'm not gonna be there at 25.


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[Assistant] I think that's where it is, but it is a stressful time. I know I was stressed as hell about it.


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[Assistant] You don't get to, you don't get to work out like he was saying. You don't get to continue to build on your craft and you feel like you're, when you go to the Combine and you're pro days, you're like, okay, I'm at like.


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[Assistant] Oklahoma, I mean they have a chance to have two first picks of the draft here in the same calendar year. Back to back Heisman Trophy winners. And of course they've been in back to back Final Four appearances for football too.


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[Assistant] That's good. That's great. I'm holding this, I mean, that's great. I'm happy for these schools and their programs there. But no, the Red Raiders, well no, somebody's gotta have at some point the team accomplishment to go along with Texas Tech. Texas Tech has this finals appearance tonight, let alone a transcended quarterback and


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[Assistant] A coach who has become an NFL head coach, whether he deserves it or not at this point, that deserves, you know, we'll see.


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[Assistant] Ty Law is going to the Hall of Fame. Hoops was disappointed by their own standards. By their own standards, so they got Elite 8. Were they Elite 8, right? I think they were. I think they lost to Texas Tech. It made it to that weekend. Yeah, I thought they lost on the Elite 8 weekend. I'm pretty sure, but I can't. Either way, it's Elite 8, Sweet 16. A good season.


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[Assistant] No. And are we missing anybody else out there? I mean, Oregon State won the baseball championship last year. I mean, Alabama, we can't talk about anything other than the football people.


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[Assistant] Yes, there needs to be an element of another sport that you're bringing to the table to go, okay, that's special too. Right. So, hey, Oklahoma also had, not only them, but who was the damn little basketball shooter they had, the Trey, uh, that went to Atlanta, somebody in the back helped me, please help me, cause I can't. I can picture him.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I don't know. Yeah, you're right. You'd have to fly into Dallas and then fly over there. I've been to Lubbock. There's not a whole lot to do there. What were we there for? Well, we had to play Texas Tech in college twice, so. How'd it go? Uh, one and one. Kingsbury got us my senior year. Gosh, they were a pain in the ass.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, but we talk. I mean, you should. Whenever we see each other, we talk football.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think he likes me, for the most part. Try it. Yeaah, I'll try. Okay, I'll try it. But him?


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[Assistant] And Wes Welker. Wes Welker was their wide receiver when I was in college. Yeaah. You believe that? Wow. Yeaah, did you forget about that, huh? Yeaah. I know. And Wes Welker, I kept going, like, who is this? He wore number 27? Yeaah. And I was like, who the hell is this kid that's open over the middle of the field all game long? And then of course they threw the ball 70 times a game.


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[Assistant] Fourth down meant nothing to them. Right. I mean it's fourth and seventh on their own forty yard line and they go for it and get the first down. Right. And it just keeps tremendous pressure on you at the time but special place.


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[Assistant] And they loved the party up there. Like we used to have Texas players in the offseason.


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[Assistant] Who would make the drive up to Lubbock. How far, how far the drive? It's like a six hour drive. From Austin? Yes. Why do you need to leave Austin? I don't know either. But, you know, just dumb things college kids do. I did not partake in that trip. Never went? No, I was just like, why would you leave Austin? That's what I wanted to say. I'm not going up there. Right. But yeaah, the party's kinda famous. They're gonna get after it in Lubbock tonight.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have no freaking clue. Nate Kating. Nate, Nick Kating. Nate. Nate, is it Nate? God, I think I've been calling him Nick Kating. It is Nate. I think I've been calling him Nick for like a decade now. Sorry, I don't really, I'm not too good with kickers. Okay. You can draw the line there. You can ask me. You were really good on the Ohio State.


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[Assistant] Because everyone's probably too scared to approach him at this point on the new team. They're going, damn, is he gonna, you know, is he gonna- Someone from his old team that still has his- I don't think you can stop this force right now. It just, to me, not a good look for him. Uh, shows that he's a little insecure.


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[Assistant] Really proving right all the narratives that were out there that he felt disrespected because he wasn't named the offensive MVP of the Pittsburgh Steelers and he felt disrespected to all of that.


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[Assistant] Okay, I think he went emotion dot dot and talked about how Juju Smith Schuster blew the season for the Pittsburgh Steelers by fumbling, and here it is. You want to read it? Go ahead, you're a better reader than me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, keep your emotions off. And then he, you know, he goes, all I ever did was show that man respect from the moment I got to the league. I was genuinely happy of him, uh, to, to hear when he got traded to Oakland with a big contract. And now he takes shots at me on social media.


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[Assistant] Well, first of all, Juju Smith Schuster already took blame for fumbling the ball. He took it like a man and said, I messed up and I might have messed up the season. So now you're going to have Antonio Brown throw, you know, flames on that. Okay. Or, you know, gasoline on that. You know, the other thing too, yeah, that was the biggest game of the year until


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[Assistant] I just don't like that aspect of Antonio Brown. The player is exciting, but too many of these things are immature and show just a narcissistic way that I don't think, you know, anybody should be, you know, proud of or happy with when you look at him or read some of the stuff he says.


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[Assistant] Look at his hamstring and his ass. That's what I want to look at. His power there. Uh, but yeaah, Yasuo- Looks like he's coming off the edge. He's, he's bad or like a, or like a legit running back. Something like that. He could do something like that, like Bo Jackson. Uh, he's got that type of speed. But he is one of those crazy f-


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[Assistant] It's a special, it's a special look. I saw it a few years ago because I went to a Mets Dodgers game when they were here in the New York area. And I love...


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[Assistant] Check it out, guys. Just to see, like, what are the physical attributes that make him special? And that is the first thing with him. You see it, yea, some broad shoulders and an unbelievable pair of legs that you go, okay, I understand why this guy's powerful.


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[Assistant] One other thing, one other thing that happened on the weekend. Okay?


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[Assistant] But either way, I'm with you here, okay? We have a poacher, we don't even know his name, but famous in the continent of Africa for illegally poaching rhinoceros. Yeah, horrible.


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[Assistant] All the way down to where all they could find was a pair of jeans and a skull.


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[Assistant] So, uh, I don't know, again, listen, I'm never happy anybody dies, okay, but I'm just, when you're killing animals that are endangered and are rare and you think you're special because you're doing that, I don't necessarily shed a tear when you die yourself because, uh, because one of those animals got you back.


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[Assistant] Who's in your gang there? Uh, yeaah, just a few of my closest friends. We fight the war on the planet. Why don't I get a little face in one of those? We'll try to work you into there, for sure, because you're in on the good fight. I told you I'm on your side. Yeaah, hey, come on, we're all for it. We want the environmental friendly, so I'm always gonna bring that stuff on. I hope everybody out there can deal with it.


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[Assistant] Little farther? Maybe. Okay, good. Alright, well we'll both get in trouble at some point. I think we're done, right? We did it all?


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[Assistant] Okay. I probably will dive down that wormhole at some point too. Don't tempt me, Paul. Alright, everybody. Hey, thanks as always, Paul. You're the man. Paul Burmeister here. He's my guy. Okay. Please download the podcast anywhere you can do it.


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[Assistant] YouTube.com slash NBC Sports if you want to see our two ugly faces on the screen. And hey, always can get me at CSIMS QB on Twitter or at sims unbuttoned on Instagram. Peace out homies. We'll talk to you Wednesday.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] I'm excited about that. I'm excited about the fact that we made it through a week and they still want to do it. They still wanted us. I'm pumped about that. Right. And also all of our set content here. We have Pillows Galore. We have added that. We didn't have these the first episode.


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[Assistant] My homie. My homie. The Mahomes pillow. Whenever he's on. I watch. Uhm, we got the Oh Aaron Rodgers. And then Annie made us this great new pillow in the middle. Way to go, Annie.


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[Assistant] This is all stuff you can see if you're watching on YouTube right now, youtube.com slash NBC Sports. We appreciate you doing that. Subscribe, like it, share it if you want to do that. If you're listening, you do that anywhere you listen to your podcast, you can listen to, uh,


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[Assistant] We got a pretty good show. We do have a mystery guest coming up. I don't want to say who that guest is because then it would ruin the mystery. Yes, but he plays football. We've narrowed it down to like several thousand people.


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[Assistant] Uh, we also have, uh, we got to talk about the big news with Antonio Brown. We'll do that right off the top. Some other moves and free agency and trades. We'll rip through those as we go. A lot of stuff went on this weekend. It is the, uh, the flirting period opens live during our taping of this show. So there could be things that we're reacting to as they happen, unfiltered.


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[Assistant] But we do start with the big news. The big news. That's our animation right there. Did you like it? That was your good announcer voice. Antonio Brown, uh, you heard about this? Yeah, I did. Antonio Brown, the trade has happened, the disgruntled wide receiver, the Pittsburgh Steelers, now he's gruntled, right? No longer disgruntled, he's gruntled.


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[Assistant] He got the money he wanted. Three years, 50 million. Uh, the Steelers didn't get much. They just got a third round pick, fifth round pick. You've heard about it all weekend. You've probably heard a lot of people talking about it. But you've not heard the perspective of, of Chris Simms on this. Just kind of break it down. Your big picture thoughts first before we get into it. Well, I think the first thing that, that


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[Assistant] So maybe a little bit of it was laying it on thick. Maybe some of it was an act. You know, if it wasn't an Antonio Brown is perhaps a volatile character. We knew that at the end of the year when, when he didn't play the final game for the Pittsburgh Steelers when they needed him.


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[Assistant] You need a team, you need a coach, can handle him, they can get the most out of him. You played for John Gruden, you know him, can he do that with Antonio Brown?


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[Assistant] You think he'll make sure he feels welcome, secure, happy. He's not going to be the tough John Gruden yelling at Antonio Brown.


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[Assistant] He's now ready, who Juju now tweeted out that he is ready. He goes, I'm ready. Yeah. Although I feel like, you know, yeah, okay. You're ready to be the number one guy. It always is nice to have Antonio Brown on your, on your team.


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[Assistant] You don't even know what you're ready for yet. I feel like you don't necessarily want to be the number one guy when you're the receiver. You like to have help. You like to have the best corner, perhaps not covering you in a football game.


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[Assistant] But for Derek Carr, you've gotta deal with a guy. You gotta feed him the ball. And if you're five games in, the team's one and four and AB's got 10 catches, no touchdowns. I don't know. You have experience with some wide receivers that you felt you needed to feed the ball to and keep them happy. What's that about to be like for Derek Carr?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Because he fought the system, he demanded a trade, which I mean, people think in the NFL the teams have all the leverage, which for the most part they do. Teams, what happened?


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[Assistant] Because it might not be official yet. Yeah. Here's the thing, we didn't say who the mystery guest was gonna be, so we'll just call, uh, like an old friend of mine that I played high school football with.


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[Assistant] Big, er, uh, Antonio Brown is circumventing the system.


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[Assistant] The question is, is this a trend? Is this a roadmap for other players? Or is this just something that happened to Antonio Brown in a weird specific situation with a team that dealt with it last year with similar situation with Levian? But I mean, is this just a one off? A lot of people are gonna think this is just a one off. I don't think it is.


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[Assistant] 1200 receiving yards each of the past six seasons. Raiders haven't had one of those since Jerry Rice back in 2002. So will he over under?


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[Assistant] 15 touchdowns last year for Antonio Brown led the league over under 15. Under. Under. Yes. Touchdowns can be fluky. Touchdowns. That can be fluky.


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[Assistant] Can we, uh, we can say that there are reports out there right now. Yes. Malik Jackson has signed with the Eagles, reports out there that that deal is going to get done. Yep. Played with the Denver Broncos, was part of the Super Bowl team with the Denver Broncos. Played the last three years with Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that happened too. Uh, there are reports that the deal is, uh, three years, 30 million. That is the reports out there. We will not necessarily talk about that with the guest. No. But that's the, that's the reported deal with the Eagles. Yep. Uhm, so yeah, Malik Jackson. Malik Jackson. With the Eagles.


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[Assistant] Well done, so that worked out. It worked out.


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[Assistant] He's got to think he's an NBA player or something. We got more news. And I'm just hearing in my ear Trent Brown to Trent Brown the Raiders.


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[Assistant] They've been active keeping some of their own guys, but also getting the Pro Bowl safety.


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[Assistant] That was a good, I thought that was your best one so far. We'll finish up with a couple of quarterbacks here. Washington making a move for Case Keenum. Had to. From the Broncos. They had nobody. I mean, you have a huge question mark for Alex Smith, question marks even with Colt McCoy. Right. You had to do it. And I think it's interesting that they did it because


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[Assistant] He might, he might be the starter. He might be the guy but it gives them other chances to make moves where they don't have to break the bank.


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[Assistant] Right. Uh, and the Jaguars, this whole time we thought the Jaguars was like, oh, Jaguars, Nick Foles, gonna happen, guaranteed. Boom, we've got one piece to the quarterback carousel shuffle filled in. But now some reports, maybe the Jags are poking around with Ryan Tannehill. It's interesting, your thoughts on that idea of


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[Assistant] Yeah, or if Nick Fools, if they go, yay, it's either me at 20 million or anything, then the Dolphins, or the Jaguars could get stuck with Ryan Tannehill. Yeah, they could, they could, right. Nothing against Ryan Tannehill.


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[Assistant] Today is because, I don't know if you know this Chris, today is National Napping Day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, every, every day has its thing, right? Sometimes it's ice cream day and you can eat. So today is national napping day. And so if you are tired, you legally can take a nap whenever you want because that's the national day that it is. Oh, really? Like legally you can, like legally right now.


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[Assistant] I'm actually not. No. No. Like, what are we talking? Like, how many times a month do you think you get a nap? Zero. Zero. Like, I have a hard time falling asleep even at night. Yeaah. Because I have, I have energy drinks during the day, and that, that does mess with me a little bit. But I'm not dead, which you called, you said I'd be dead if I keep drinking these. I'm not yet.


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[Assistant] It was a game between Birmingham City and Aston Villa. There's a player for Aston Villa, the captain of the team. It was a big rivalry game. Second tier of English football. A fan came on the field. I don't know if you saw this at all. A fan came on the field and actually hit


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[Assistant] One of the Aston Villa players, the captain for Aston Villa, Jack Rielish, and uh, and he went down, the player went down, security was there right after he hit the, hit the player, they hauled him away, uh, they arrested him.


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[Assistant] No, I wouldn't do that either. Thank you guys for listening and watching once again. We're on YouTube slash NBC Sports. Uh, you can also subscribe wherever you listen to your podcasts. Week number two off to a flying start here, Chris.


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[Assistant] What are we supposed to do here? The goal is to, I mean, talk football and have fun. I think that's the goal, right? I mean, it's, it's a Monday podcast. This is what we're going to do every Monday reactions to the weekend. We got a lot of stuff to react to from this weekend, uh, whether it's just news or combine stuff.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright, well we're gonna put that to a test at some point now that you've said that. Uh, okay, so put yourself out there. Who's your team in the NFL?


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[Assistant] Kind of a baller, and also another thing I want to know, are you a healthy eater? I tried it, yeah, not really. Not with that crap I saw you drinking before. What was it, what, the energy drinks? The rock star, like come on.


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[Assistant] It's not my first podcast. I of course left Bleacher Report, which is a great experience. But here we are to unveil this podcast here at NBC Sports, which I'm so pumped about. But I mean, I think it's just funny.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know some people just can't let go sometimes.


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[Assistant] You know. Those watching are seeing logos. I'm still there. I'm still there. I mean the Instagram handle still has my name on it as well. That's how good and how talented I am. I hope you know that. That's how talented. There's another entity that I don't even work for that they go, this guy's so good, we're still gonna live vicariously through him.


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[Assistant] Right, it's a new day. It's a new day at age. We're turning the page. We're closing the yearbook, okay? It's time for a new time. You like that? Did you like the logo?


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[Assistant] Damn, the company who makes those bobbleheads, they lost money on that one. And...


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[Assistant] With your logo on it. I'm definitely smashing my face with that at the end. Maybe not now that you put your hands on it, but I'll get another two. On both, I put them on both of them too. Okay, good, great. So those are yours. And I will eat those. Yeah, thank you. And take a break from the camera. I'm a little bit of a clean freak, I just hope you know that. Alright, so those are all the pleasantries. Right. That's all, that's all. So let's get into the actual- Yeah, what's up?


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[Assistant] They certainly are. But this is a new day and age in quarterbacking in the NFL. First of all, you know, smaller quarterbacks can last or last a test of time more than they could maybe in the 80s or 90s or early 2000s. Why?


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[Assistant] Because all the rules that protect the quarterbacks now, you certainly don't have to worry about that. That's the only flaw though, from Kyler Murray. When I watch him on film, Ahmed, is the only thing I go,


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[Assistant] Geez, like, yes, when he got crushed in the pocket, he was got up slow, okay? Other than that,


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[Assistant] It's flawless, and trust me, I went into the film kind of going, uh, I wanted to find a reason to be a hater, I guess is what I'm trying to say. I wanted to go, oh, this guy just plays backyard football, there's not gonna, well, how good is he really? It won't translate. It won't translate, but I was blown away by the film, and he's a special player, and he's the number one quarterback in the draft.


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[Assistant] And, I mean, the only thing I can really say is, I mean, if we could do the draft over, would we take Russell Wilson in the top five? Certainly. And here he is, the same size as Russell Wilson, uh, uh, a little bit heavier actually. Which that surprised me more than even the height. It got me too. I'm with you.


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[Assistant] I think like Russell was like 205 or 206. He only had him by like a pound or so. But regardless.


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[Assistant] I think that's a legitimate question. I think like if you're, if you're really serious about the Kyler Murray and you're in the Kyler Murray sweepstakes for the draft, when you go to the pro day in a few weeks in Oklahoma, you make them get on the scale again.


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[Assistant] Cause you go to see, was this fake weight? When I was at the combine, like guys would walk around with a gallon of water.


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[Assistant] around them and then you know they'd be chugging water all the way leading up to the way and holding their pee, literally, continued to chug and then they'd get on the scales and weigh a number that really wasn't their real number. I had a quarterback who I went to the combine with who outweighed me by 12 pounds and then a week later he was at a visit


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[Assistant] Uh, we both went to the Bears. I'm not gonna name his name just to throw him out there under the bus, but this quarterback went there the day before I did and


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[Assistant] I weighed more than him the week later, even though I was 12 pounds less than him at the combine. But once you have that combine number up there, it's stuck there and you're good. And it's smart. It's games on the chip. But I certainly would be part of the conversation with Murray.


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[Assistant] I know. Inches matter. Inches matter, okay. But Kyler Murray is special. He really is. And it's going to be the big thing. And of course the big talk and conversation is, is he going to go number one to Arizona?


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[Assistant] This guy's better than I thought. He plays the position true to form. And then he has special attributes. In the first round of top 10 picks, it's all about elite traits. And Kyler Murray has two elite traits. One is his speed.


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[Assistant] And two, the other one gets, maybe not talked about, he's a special thrower.


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[Assistant] He can like, he can throw it from any angle, any position on the run. It doesn't matter, but in natural, almost like a Patrick Mahomes who had that baseball background where he can just pick up a ball and sling it around no matter what. And now Arizona is, yeah, they're going to be in this talk and this conversation of


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[Assistant] Do we draft Kyler Murray at one or do they stay pat with Josh Rosen and maybe trade down in the draft?


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[Assistant] I think I am. As the weekend has gone and I've continued to talk to myself about the subject, I think I am. And I think if I'm the Arizona Cardinals and like you just made your point about Cliff Kingsbury, this new upstart offensive guy, you want to make sure he feels good about his new job. You want to get a guy that like,


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[Assistant] Our best players are Larry Fitzgerald, who's really at the end of his career, Patrick Peterson, who's


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[Assistant] No problem with the, uh, you like that? It's good. It's gonna be good. No problem. Put it on your tab. Put it on your tab.


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[Assistant] Alright, so this is where I would start that. I guess I would go, I'm going with the over. I'm going to say this much.


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[Assistant] It really was tough in the evaluation process. This one here, I'm pretty sold on these. I am sold. I know they're in my top three. It's not changing.


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[Assistant] And I know I still have a few more guys to go down the line, but, uh, I haven't seen anything that can even say they're in their category. Now the real question is gonna be, who is that fourth guy? A lot of people have...


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't see it that way. I'm not gonna necessarily just give him the stamp of, oh, he's the next guy off the board.


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[Assistant] You and I have talked about this a little off, like off air and things like this. I feel like Daniel Jones, he's a nice player, don't get me wrong. He can execute an offense, he's an accurate thrower, he has good size, decent athletic ability to go along with it, but when I watch film it's a little underwhelming.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't wanna criticize, you're right, I don't wanna criticize and kill a kid, but also I'm trying to be fair in my football judgment, so I'm trying to give some of the positives, but I don't, my jaw doesn't drop when I watch a movie.


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[Assistant] I would probably put Daniel Jones in the quarterback category. Yes. I thought that first of all, you know, talking about that. Yeah. I think a lot of the talk about his play is more about David Cutcliffe's offense and how he was taught there. And that usually dominates the conversation when you hear about Daniel Jones.


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[Assistant] To me, that's not always a good thing when you're starting off a conversation about a player talking about his coach and he had a pro offense. So there, your number one, right away, your, there's like signals out there going, uh, yeaah, he's not that talented, but here's some other things we're gonna talk about that talk glowingly about him. And that's fine, but it still goes back to talent.


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[Assistant] So yes, I think that the way he threw the ball at the combine was very underwhelming. I thought some of his drops were unrealistic too.


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[Assistant] I think Jarrod Stiddle can be in that conversation. I think Clayton Thorson from Northwestern are in that conversation. I think them are all as equal or if not better than a Daniel Jones from Duke. Yes, I do. You didn't mention Will Greer from West Virginia. Will Greer, thank you. Way to keep me on track. That's my job. Way to go.


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[Assistant] They might be out of the quarterback first round draft conversation. So, you know, that, that's where we got to see what are the Washington Redskins do. There are another team that's going to dictate how many quarterbacks are taken in the first round. You know, again, the Oakland Raiders, are they in that conversation? The Miami Dolphins.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a few teams out there that I think will know a little bit better where the quarterback market is as we get through free agency to see if anybody kind of answers their needs or releases their starter or whatever it is.


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[Assistant] Get in your comfort zone. I like that. First of all, I grew up on Oreos and I used to like have fun with guys like when we would work out and maybe I'd beat them in bench press. I'd be like, yeaah, Oreos out does creatine once again. So you're on board. I am on board. Not with the double stuff, but I love Oreos. There's not a better cookie on planet Earth than Oreos. No, there's not.


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[Assistant] It's the leader in the clubhouse. Dunking in the milk or just dry, I'm all mulling.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, I think he was, and you were- And Quinnen, yea. Quinnen was amazing. I mean, I think it really just to play off of that, like the front seven in general. I would argue that what we saw yesterday is Sunday workout, which is when, you know, all the front seven guys, D Lyman, linebackers all worked out.


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[Assistant] I thought it was like the greatest display I have seen as far as Sunday workouts.


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[Assistant] Uh, at least in recent history, there's not one that pops to my mind.


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[Assistant] But when you just start to go through the freak shows of players, whether it was the two linebackers,


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[Assistant] I've seen them play football and those 10 yards are all I need to see. They can run and explode through the hole or do whatever it is.


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[Assistant] Just the way they look in their spandex, certainly part of it. I'm a big legs and butt guy. That's how I, if you got legs and butt, if you look at most good football players, they have a nice butt and unbelievable legs.


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[Assistant] Both Mississip, all three Mississip, Ole Miss receivers. I know, like, what is Ole Miss? Are they winners or, I mean, what is the state of Mississippi? They're, they're losers because I want to go.


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[Assistant] Holy cow, how many studs were on Mississippi and Mississippi State through the, through the first three days of the combine, but I want to say they're, you know, the fans, I guess, of these schools are the ones that are losers because I want to go, man, you have like,


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[Assistant] Top 20 talent in football and you're not ranked in the top 20. Right. And that is disgusting, bro. So you're seeing, what do we, describe what we're seeing. Alright, we gotta go up to the monitor for this one, okay?


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[Assistant] I mean, this is off the chains. We had our first double back.


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[Assistant] Dwarf. Dwarfed, and just nobody's talking about him, cause of, wait, can I draw on this thing yet? Okay, but either way.


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[Assistant] And I'm not even joking, I was watching the combine live when they showed this, and my kids...


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[Assistant] And my mother and my wife were all watching and they were literally like, is that real? And I was like, yeah, this guy is an absolute


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[Assistant] More like you got a keg. That's not gonna help your six pack back there. But feel free.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, it's like a pipeline. I mean, for a small state, and I don't know if I have these numbers exactly correct. Now, Jersey's a pretty densely populated place, right?


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[Assistant] I believe the last time I looked, New Jersey had the sixth most players in the NFL. It's, hey, you lived in Princeton, one of the, one of the first high, the first college game ever in our country is Princeton versus Rutgers. Not a whole lot of Princeton athletes.


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[Assistant] Maybe how fast the, the two white line, you know, Devin White and Devin Bush were at linebacker. How Montez Sweatt did from uhm, you know, Mississippi State. How telling he was. Rashaun Gary I thought was like one of the freakiest workouts.


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[Assistant] of the whole combine. I mean, yes, Adam Michigan, he's 276 pounds and ran a four or five, I got a four or five, eight, 38 inches on the vertical. I mean, he really moves like a tight end. That's insane to be running and moving like that. And then if you saw the drills to go along with it, I'm like, no joke.


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[Assistant] I would think like the way he can move his hips and turn and break on the ball and things like that. That was like legit.


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[Assistant] Okay, Josh Allen, the pass rusher from Kentucky. Yep. He's another Jersey guy from Montclair, New Jersey. Uh, and then Dwayne Haskins, who's a Giants fan, grew up in New Jersey right by close to the Jets facility.


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[Assistant] Uh, I know you moved to Maryland, I believe, as freshman year in high school.


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[Assistant] There you go, you got three guys that are, I mean it's, they're gonna be in the top ten. And I, you know, yeaah, I'm a Jersey guy, and I'm a Jersey meathead, and uh, I'm giving my state a little luck.


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[Assistant] I still would call him a winner. I would. I'm not gonna go loser. Like, I mean, hey, I don't think he's a definite...


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[Assistant] Like, slam dunk number one pick anymore because of the Kyler Murray conversation. I think because some of these other workouts too, like Rashaan, Gary's gonna give him a run for his money. Hey, he didn't play football this past year other than, what was that, the first game or two.


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[Assistant] Before he basically called the quits and said, I'm gonna get ready for the NFL combine. So you don't like that? Well, I'm okay with that. I am guys making business decisions. I'm totally fine with that this day and age where there's this much money and your futures on the line like that. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] He's a stud. He's going in the top five no matter what. And really, at the end of the day, some of his numbers might not look as eye-popping as Rashaun Gary or Montez Sweat.


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[Assistant] The big thing with a guy like him is tremendous strength, tremendous power, unbelievable legs and ass, okay, again. And his ten- He passes the sims test. And the ten yard split, that's another big number that really is like for pass rushers.


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[Assistant] Those first three or four steps out of the hole, which is very conducive to what you are as a pass rusher. And that's where Bosa had special numbers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, between him and his brother, I think that's a valid point. I totally get that. And, oh, a groin injury that he had to deal with.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's never good. Anything down there core-related for a guy that, okay, yeaah, like we just said, didn't have to get in the three-point stands, come around the edge, be flying around the edge, have unbelievable base with a 315-pound guy leaning on him as he turns the edge. Yeaah, those are the scary things.


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, I don't think it's going to affect him too much because I think...


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[Assistant] Anything, and again, I haven't done the deep dive on some of these Dean Liman yet, but anything I've seen on TV, watching him over the last two years, or watching other guys last year in the draft, and still seeing him in crossover film, he's special. He pops, and he's...


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[Assistant] You know, he's well-schooled already, too, because of his brother, because his dad played in the NFL. He's got a lot of the proper hand techniques and things that maybe some of the other defense alignment don't have yet. But sometimes it's good if you don't have that, because you feel like you're wrong. Right, yes, I think that's where teams will have to balance it out to go,


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[Assistant] Wait, okay, Rashawn Gary has more pure, raw explosion, okay, but all I always hear is his productions, not, is Rashawn Gary's productions scares me.


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[Assistant] Okay, I get that. Production can be overrated sometimes, too, though. Just, if you're, you know, there's a phrase I used to use, I've always used this on the podcast, they call, they should have a stat for


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[Assistant] But why I say that because, you know, I use guys like Jadevion Clowney or Michael Bennett when he was the star of the Seattle Seahawks, where, yeaah, their stats might not look great.


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[Assistant] But when you turn on the film, you go, damn, there's Jadevion Clowney, they're gonna run the ball to the right. He blew up the guard, he blew up the fullback, and now the running back had to run somewhere where he wasn't supposed to run. Somebody else gets to tackle. Even though...


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[Assistant] Okay, nothing goes on Jadevion Clowney's stat sheet, but he was really the player who ruined it. And that's what I mean by F the play up, is little instances like that. And that's what you see from Roshan Garry. So it's not always about the stats.


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[Assistant] No doubt. And if you're the main disruptor and just because you didn't get the tackle or the sack doesn't mean you weren't the one that really forced the negative aspect of the play. Somebody else just got to bear the fruits of you destroying it.


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[Assistant] There's a reason you're over there. Yeah, right, right, exactly. And the other thing I'll say too, like, is like, okay, linebackers, I might hold a little stock in the drop in the ball.


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[Assistant] If Nick Bosa and Rashaun Gary are dropping it, I'm going, I don't really care. Everything else before that looked good. Yeah, it'd be cool if they caught the ball, but that's not what they're going to be paid to do at the next level. So that let's not like over over scout or over a value.


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[Assistant] Well, you know this aspect. It's hustle, go to the next drill. You played high school football where your coach yells at you and stuff like that. Run to your next drill. You know, run to the, run through the whistle. Don't give up on the play, whatever. Same thing. These guys are going, you're here. You only have a little window to impress us each time.


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[Assistant] And so try your hardest instead of, it's almost like a litmus test for the guys who don't. You're an idiot if you don't run through. So what do you think it is? What do you think it is?


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[Assistant] I think that's it. I think you're more, I think it's not, it's more times lack of focus and lack of effort. Most of these guys are smart enough to realize like, I gotta put the pedal to the metal. I think what happens is some of those drills like you're talking about where they, you know, backpedal, turn to the right, turn to the left, turn to the right.


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[Assistant] Break! Oh, catch the ball! Oh, okay, now they like, kinda stop. Like, oooh, I did it. But they're rea- exactly. Or they're thinking like, alright, wait, coach said he was gonna move me here, so they're trying to do the mental gymnastics of it, and they didn't hear maybe the end of it where you're supposed to run.


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[Assistant] Through coach, you know, Jimmy John down there, 20 yards away. They, they like forgot that part of it because they were worried about all the other details.


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[Assistant] I know they jumped off the pain. Come on, both of them were, you know, I mean, off the charts. And I mean, first of all, Noah Phan, I think that's the first guy that I, that really jumped out to me. Like Noah Phan. Noah Phan. Passed the eye test. Passed the, extremely handsome, first thing I'll say too. I think something, hey, you look at the top players in football.


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[Assistant] Good, handsome, like just chiseled faces have that star look. I think Noah Phan has got that. You're not joking. You think there's something to that. I really do. I mean, I think if you look at stars like in general, Patrick Peterson, Million Dollar Smile, Jalen Ramsey, could be a movie star. I truly think. It's like just a weird like, I think you're just cherry picking the


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he's working hard. How dare you disrespect TV 12 like that? Just here. You see, you're being, you're being enamored with his good looks and just going, Oh, this must come so natural to him. But no, so he still has


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[Assistant] It's just a stupid thing I'm saying, where it's like, it's like alpha male, I don't know whatever it is, but I do find it that it's kinda that way more times than not. Hey, Aaron Donald, look at him. Defense of tackles are usually supposed to be big and ugly and not that good looking. Aaron Donald's pretty good looking. But yes, back to the point, Noah Fant was amazing.


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[Assistant] T.J. Hawkinson, the other tight end, who's more of the, you know,


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[Assistant] All around tight end, run blocking, also awesome in the pass game. First round guy. Yeaah, I mean, definitely, definitely. I mean, I think he's probably looking at top 20 pick. And I think Noah Phan's probably going to be right there in that discussion because there is not a whole lot of people on planet Earth that are 6'4, 249 and run 4'5 flat. And especially at the tight end position. That's a special skill set right there. I mean, that's Jordan Reed-ish.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it's, it's, it's all, it's Travis Kelsey except more explosive. I think this day and age with multiple offenses. Oh, he's a tight end one play and he's run blocking. We got to stop the run. And then the next play split out a receiver. That's what puts defenses in a bind. But the tight end group in general was pretty, uh, pretty shocking.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's a balance. I mean, I think what you did in college for four years in the film and everything like that's always going to win out, okay, at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] When you can go to the combine and then blow it out of the water and then it just makes them feel comfortable to go, okay, what I saw in film was real. This guy is truly that explosive. It's not a product of the environment or the team around him or maybe the lesser teams he was playing.


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[Assistant] All of those things, uh, but all of it is going to be balanced all together. And then there's the, you know, the fake Combine guys too, where I would go, you know, you gotta be careful of the guys who, you know, let's say they ran 4-4, but then none of their other explosion


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[Assistant] I really like him. You really like him. And, and, like I said, like, just to bring it back to, like, Noah Phan, here's a guy, okay, yeaah, he ran four, you know, four or five flat at 249, and then the next thing I would look at is go,


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[Assistant] Okay, like, let me see, what, what, is this explosion legit? Vertical jump? 39 and a half inch? Like, when I see that, I go, oh, the guy's a freak show. It doesn't matter. If he didn't even train for the 40, he would have ran in the four or five somewhere. Like, he has that legitimate explosion. When I see the rest of the numbers, a six, eight, one, three cone drill, that's like a legit,


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[Assistant] Uh, I did this one drill really good and everything else was just okay. He's awesome. Chase Winovich, Winovich from Michigan, right? Those were like, Michigan had a good compound, had a very good combine, but those three alone, I just look at them and go,


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[Assistant] Wait, those are some, like, some very, very special numbers. And then really, another guy I wanna throw in is the Minnesota linebacker, uh, Blake Cashman, okay? That's just off the radar.


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[Assistant] You know, those guys like that, they improved their stock. Drew Tranquil went from a guy where I think teams looked at him and went, he's just a, he's a,


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[Assistant] Back a blind backer and maybe a special teams player. And now when you go to the combine and you weigh 6'2", 234 and run a 457 and have a 37 and a half inch vertical. You go, man, maybe he's a good backup guy. Maybe he's better than I gave him credit for. Right. Maybe he's better than I gave him credit for on film. And I think that's where it's special. Right.


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[Assistant] I got to talk to him. First interview of the Chris Sims Unbuttoned Podcast. Yea, and it's not more fitting to have my man Kyle Shanahan as that guy.


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[Assistant] That's great. This is Chris Simms and Kyle Shanahan at Texas when we truly think we have the world figured out and we're smart and we're baller supremes and uh, reality struck not long after that. But man, that's amazing.


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[Assistant] Wait, you're right, Texas, yeaah, the first day, I'll say this to everybody out there, the first day, I can still remember you and I at school at Texas, we go out for a little party at night on a Friday night, and people are approaching me,


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[Assistant] Oh gosh. Alright, other thing, going back to college, because I've said this to some people, uh, you were a hell of a slot receiver. You really were. You were kind of ahead of your time, really. I agree, but no one believes me when I say that.


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[Assistant] You had a lot of tricks. You were the like resident route running expert for all the guys on the team there, right? So they all were followed. Cause Kyle, Kyle was famous for going to what you would, you would basically Ed McCaffrey, Rod Smith, you did work, you drills with them and everything like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I think we both, uh, subscribed to the Mack Brown school of what, how did he always do? Do you remember what Mack used to do? When he would go school first, football second, right? We were kind of that way.


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[Assistant] I did school first, right? Football second. It was football second.


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[Assistant] That's what you did is right. Uhm, okay, so talk about that a little though because I think your experience as a receiver is what's made you such an amazing offensive play caller and play designer. You know what it takes to get a receiver open. How has that kind of helped you?


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[Assistant] Alright, so let's get into some talking right now about your 49er football team. I mean, the first thing is, uh, I would like to know, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, everybody has their own approach. Are you a guy, like how do you approach me and Indy right now? This is your, get to know everybody for the first time. How much film have you kind of watched of draft prospects? Cause I know some coaches haven't watched any to this point. They're just doing free agents and then they're getting into the draft after this. What's the Shanahan approach?


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[Assistant] Alright, so talk about your team a little bit and just where you're at, you know, just as far as positive, negatives, things you need to get better, uh, you know, positions you feel like needed to be filled in, uhm, anything that just jumps out to you right on...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think what you said about him, his realness as a person, he's relatable. Hey, everybody's looking for the new Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan, right? Well, part of what has made them them is that, you know, it doesn't matter what position, you know, the 300 pound defensive tackle, it could be the 185 pound slot receiver.


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[Assistant] Kyle has an ability, Sean McVay, they have an ability to talk to these guys, and even though they might be from totally different backgrounds and everything like that, still be very relatable, and I think that's cool. Plus, I mean, 49ers can say what they want. Kyle Shannon has brought an exciting brand of football to the team. Yea, they might lose the games, but man, they make a lot of plays on offense, and it's up and down the field.


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[Assistant] Your first talk talks and talks about, you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, new contracts, free agents, all that starts, the groundwork starts to get laid for that during the combine.


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[Assistant] You know, oh, we wouldn't have signed him to a long-term contract if we didn't want to keep him. I know that's what Dave Gettleman keeps saying on that end, but I think a lot of people within the NFL still think that


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[Assistant] If the right offer was made to the New York Giants, that Odell Beckham Jr. could be had or could be traded for.


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[Assistant] Uh, to where Eli's not exactly gonna be the bombs away quarterback. Maybe they don't want Odell upsetting things, cause he upset things last year with the-


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[Assistant] Josina Anderson interview and all those things. So I, I don't know, but I'm just telling you that's a sentiment that I heard from many people, uh, during the combine. What'd you hear about Rashaun Gary? I think Rashaun Gary, like I went out with a few scout friends. Okay. And, uh, of course they thought very highly of him, but you know, I think there's a talk that he is,


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[Assistant] In the conversation for one of the best defensive players in the draft, one of the best defensive players, I mean one of the best players in general in the draft.


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[Assistant] To where, yeaah, I think going into the combine, uh, team certainly had him in the top ten for sure. I think after meeting him and after what he did on the field is, has vaulted him into the top five, maybe the top D lineman off the converse, uh, in the whole draft altogether. But I do think that


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[Assistant] You know, there's a faction of people out there.


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[Assistant] That think he has the highest ceiling, uh, and has the possibility to still be the first defensive guy off the board.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think that there's a very real possibility that could happen, yes. I think he's got more position versatility than Nick Bosa. I think he's a more natural gifted explosive athlete than Nick Bosa. Now he might not be quite the better pure pass rusher at this point.


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[Assistant] But I think the other things people are going to look at, and we talked about it a little, right? We're like, yeaah, uh, bosa.


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[Assistant] He's been schooled by his dad, his brother. People are going to look at Rashaun Gary and I know people always go, production, production, production. But they're going to go, he's raw. He doesn't even have a pass rush move yet. Wait till I, wait till the defensive liners are going to look at him and go, I can't wait to get my hands on him and teach him how to hand fight or teach him a spin move and then we're going to see what he is and that's what people are going to get excited about with Rashaun Gary.


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[Assistant] That's why you see busts sometimes in the first round, because you go off about the projectability, the elite traits you think, and you can miss, you miss, and you're gonna miss sometimes. It's not a perfect world as far as scouting, scouting football.


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[Assistant] Right, or he was elite in this and we didn't take into account that he was so deficient in maybe some of these other areas. We thought he was a little better, but once we got him into camp we realized, oh no, he's got some really, a lot of work to do in these other areas.


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[Assistant] I think that's the same sentiment I've heard. I mean, some people, and as you heard in the Kyle Shanahan interview, a lot of coaches are in the very beginning of phases of their draft to where they've maybe seen some


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[Assistant] Like highlight tapes, his best rows, uh, so it's either one, uh, coaches haven't really studied him yet. That was the answers I always got when I talked to my coach runs like, cause I wanted to know, you know, have you watched?


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[Assistant] And then the other ones that I talked to that had watched him already and already done their deep dive, blown away.


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[Assistant] There's nobody. It's either I haven't studied them, uh, enough yet to tell you, or it was, I was blown away. I didn't mean anybody that had studied them that said, oh yeaah. You know, I got major issues with, you know, A, B, and C in his game.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you, I was just amazed at how clean his game was and how little issues, how few little issues I had about his game when I got done. And that seems to be the sentiment going around in the last week. You know who's devastated by this? The Oakland A's. They are just devastated by this.


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[Assistant] No, that would be the other big thing that I heard. Now, I'll say this just from me personally. I have Drew Locke as number two and Dwayne Haskins as number three. It's very close. It's very close. So I'm not saying it's this huge margin or anything like that.


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[Assistant] That is the one thing I learned last week, being in Indianapolis for four days, is that teams, uh,


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[Assistant] There's some teams that view Locke as number two, there's some teams that view Dwayne Haskins as number two, but I think that race for the number two quarterback is maybe, uh, more close than we anticipated going into the combine, or at least I anticipated. I thought I was gonna be kinda like,


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[Assistant] You know, man, am I, am I gonna be like the lone wolf in saying lock was number two? And like the first three or four, and usually coaches, they know I'm obsessed with quarterback play. They'll ask me.


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[Assistant] About, you know, hey, how'd you have, you know, the top three stacked up, whatever. And I would tell them, and I had a number, they were like, oh yeah, I'm with you. I think, you know, I think Locke is too. And then I had other ones go, uh, I like Haskins a little bit better than Locke. So I just think that's still very much up in the air for that conversation. Yeah. To say also, we also know, like, like we were talking about Murray, Murray with the guys who studied him, I think is number one.


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[Assistant] They always talk about, oh, it's good rhythm, good timing, you know.


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[Assistant] The confidence or the feel to go, okay, I'm in a little rhythm now. Okay, I hit a slant route. I hit an out route. Okay, let me throw my rifle in here now for the post or the, the end cut. I'm going to give it my 105 mile per hour fastball. And because of the way it's formulated,


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[Assistant] Yeah, as a quarterback and I was there. It's very hard to just go out and let it go because you go, man, if I let it go and I throw a perfect spiral and I throw, you know, a hundred mile per hour, perfect football and the receiver runs the wrong route. And now the ball's behind him and it's dropped. Everyone goes, look, he couldn't complete that out route.


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[Assistant] So 30 throws, get all the throws, and then you're done. Why can't, like, we go, Dwayne Haskins, there you go, throw the two slams, throw the two outrouts, throw the in-cut, you know, throw the crow, let him do it all at once, there's plenty of receivers to cycle in,


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[Assistant] And then he gets done with his 25 or 30 throws, next guy goes up, I think it'll make for better TV too to watch because like I said, I think you're going to get to see more of the true eliteness of the player and the true feeling of the player too and get a better gauge for what they are.


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[Assistant] The ones that maybe are not as gifted, they'll fall apart through those 25 throws. You'll learn more. You'll learn more.


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[Assistant] It really is, it's great. Yes, exactly right. No one, I mean, I'll take Drew Locke for instance. Drew Locke, like he is a special arm, he played it too safe at the Combine.


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[Assistant] He played it safe. Really? Yea, because I think he was worried about being, you know, over-analyzed if he missed some throws here or there, so he just kind of played it smooth and made sure the ball was completed.


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[Assistant] I don't want to see that. You didn't want to look bad, so we just looked okay. Exactly. I want to see, no, like balls to the wall, like here's my game when it's late in the fourth quarter and you're going to see my best stuff. That's what I want to see as a viewer and I would want to see that if I was an evaluator too.


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[Assistant] I'm not surprised by it. He's a special football player. He would go into that category, and I know we brought up his name a little bit before, with like Michael Bennett or Rashawn Gary, like,


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[Assistant] Don't, the stats lie about Judevion County. He ruins more plays than any defensive player in football. I mean, he can ruin game plans. That's how awesome he is. They move him around. He does a lot of different, uh, things for that defensive front. Standing up, linebacker, defense end, defensive tackle.


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[Assistant] He is, you know, you could certainly make a case that he's the best player on that defense. He was two years ago, last year was a little closer between him and JJ, cause JJ had a good year too, but I think that's a guy you keep, and he's got a knee issue, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, if you're a top doctor, imagine being a top doctor and like, you're the best surgeon in football.


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[Assistant] But I mean, how could they talk about blinking in a stair contest? I don't even get that. How do your eyes do that? How do your eyes do that?


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[Assistant] It feels good. I told you, man. I've had lots of practice.


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[Assistant] I don't know you well enough yet, bro. I don't know if you did wash your hands. Chris Sims unbuttoned. The inaugural? Inaugural. I can't say that word. I don't have to anymore. It's the first one ever. It's over. Peace. Peace out, homies.


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[Assistant] For sure, and obviously everyone tunes into the draft because they have no idea what's going to happen. So we might project, uh, predict, predict 32 picks in this draft, but we'll probably get, you know, five or six right. That's about it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then you trade for D4 this offseason. But the selection is Nick Bosa out of Ohio State. And he's very similar obviously to his brother and Joey Bosa. They win in the exact same way.


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[Assistant] I believe they drafted him to play on the edge. And again, they drafted him, I believe, at number two overall.


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[Assistant] So then they weren't allowed to, or they weren't able to allow him to win on the edge. That's just not his style, right? Right. So he's much more of an interior disrupter. And so having a Nick Bosa complimenting Dee Ford on the other side with his three other DeForest Buckner Ark Arms in the interior, that's a really menacing front five. Yeah.


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[Assistant] They have not had a competent or good edge rusher in 15 years. And 15 years is a very long time. Who was that 15 years ago? Like maybe you can throw in Calvin Pace here or there, but they've drafted on the interior a lot with


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[Assistant] Uh, Mo Wilkerson with Leonard Williams with Sheldon Richardson. Right. But haven't had a solid edge presence in 15 years and obviously Josh Allen would hopefully bring that to the table.


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[Assistant] The Raiders invested two mid-round, late-round picks in the position last year in PJ Hall and Maurice Hurst out of Michigan. And both of those are very talented players, but those types of talents don't keep you from taking a Quinn and William top five. Exactly, exactly right.


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[Assistant] Buccaneers would have loved to have Quinn and Williams because this Gerald McCoy situation on the interior defensive line is a bit up in the air.


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[Assistant] And they signed Deion Buchanan, but we know why Deion Buchanan is no longer in the Cardinals because he's kind of a liability in certain aspects of the game. But Devin White is one of the true


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[Assistant] Sidelined to sidelined linebackers that come in and out of the draft. He is someone that at the second level, you know, if your linebackers are slow, your defense is slow. And Devin White and Levante David might early on in their career with the Bucks turn into one of the best pairings, one of the best duo's at the position in the NFL.


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[Assistant] I hear you, but like, for how much the NFL is in nickel coverage now, for how much linebackers are asked to do, and we just saw Roquan Smith go up pick number 8, which is a little bit later on, but I think that just with Quinn Williams off the board, Devin White makes a ton of sense.


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[Assistant] That is a massive drop-off after that first year of linebackers. We'll get to Devin Bush, I'm sure, in a little bit out of Michigan. But it's Devin White, Devin Bush, and then everyone else. Right. So if you're invested and want an inside linebacker in this class, you're going to take one.


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[Assistant] This offseason, last offseason, that Dave Gettleman is in the camp of Eli Manning. And it's not just Dave Gettleman that's in the camp of Eli Manning. It's really the organization making these excuses for poor play of Eli Manning. I would agree with that. And I just don't know.


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[Assistant] How you could be sitting at what? Pick number two last year. Pass on those quarterbacks and then take one at pick number six.


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[Assistant] This year, especially in a class. I think that's the reason why you have to. Well, especially in a class, though, where Dave Gutelman says, okay, I trust in my ability to build a roster around Eli Manning and then invest an inter-defensive line. Edge rushers because we know he loves his hog mollies.


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[Assistant] No, I'm totally with you. Like, if you love a quarterback and think he's a quality starter, he shoots to the top of the board. In fact, that quarterback should be in a separate board than everyone else. I just, it's tough for me to give Dave Gettleman as much credit as you're giving him.


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[Assistant] And to your point, he is super athletic. He had an athletic profile in the 85th percentile. Uhm, I think we've been spoiled a bit by tight ends in recent years because prior to your George Kittles, your OJ Howard's, a handful of others, Evan Ingram,


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[Assistant] We didn't see Titans produce early on in their career. In fact, it's one of the slowest developing positions in the NFL. A lot of big names that are still good in the NFL were not productive until their second contracts and even their second team, Delaney Walker, Greg Olson. I can go down a massive list. I would hear side with a tackle like


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[Assistant] Jawan Taylor because I think the biggest issue, the biggest issue to me for Nick Foles transition from the Eagles to the Jaguars other than Doug Pierce not calling plays is the offensive line situation and his comfort in the pocket that he probably won't have in Jackson.


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[Assistant] So this is fun, because as you all hopefully can tell, we did not share what our picks were going to be prior to this. No, we did not. And so I was not expecting Mississippi State edge rusher Montez Swett to be on the board. But he is the selection. I know that


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[Assistant] The Patriots contingent that's basically in Detroit now signed him to this massive contract. We can argue if it's too much money or if it's the right amount.


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[Assistant] But Trey Flowers is someone that is an outside-to-inside pass rusher, okay? The Lions, now without Ziggianza on the team, have really needed someone to create consistent disruption on the outside.


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[Assistant] And Montez Sweat is the type of pass rusher that you can line up on the outside as a fantastic run defender, but more importantly has this ridiculous athleticism and long arm to win in one-on-one situations. He'll be more athletic than every single offensive tackle he faces in the end.


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[Assistant] I think also the NFL has types at the spot, right? And Montez Sweat is 6'6, 260 pounds versus someone has told you is trying to eat six meals a day basically to stay at 250 pounds. Right, exactly. So if you have a prototype defensive end that also tests in the 97th percentile who's just as athletic as Brian Burns, it makes sense for you.


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[Assistant] Uhm, is someone obviously that came from the Panthers and they had Starler to the lay and they had K1 short and they really believed in inter disruption. Guess what? Last off season, Sean McDermott, Brandon Bean signed Starler to the lake and they don't have an interior disruptor. Now opposite him, Kyle Williams retirement. Right. And Ed Oliver is just, he makes my heart flutter.


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[Assistant] It's amazing. You have him ranked fourth overall. Oh, and I wish I could put him higher, but those guys are even better, just a little bit. Uhm, but he is someone that just moves differently along that interior, right? Like when he's the first one to the football creates that disruption, which equals production and allows other people to have that production.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's a fair question. I don't think that there is much of a difference. I would say that Devin White to me is just a little bit better in coverage and you've seen him play against Speed more often to me in SEC defenses each and every Saturday. Quickly to your point with Vic Fanginer that we keep bringing up Roquan Smith.


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[Assistant] He was part of his defense last year with Chicago. And Evan Silva in our team need series wrote this, from Patrick Willits to Navarro Bowman to Chris Borland to Danny Trevath and Jerell Freeman, Roekwon Smith in Chicago. I mean, Vic Fangio has a history of needing linebackers because they know, he knows that they make his


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[Assistant] Secondary, his defense, his front four, fast. Right. And Devin Bush certainly offers athleticism just like Devin White.


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[Assistant] And again, there's a massive, massive cliff. Like we might not see another inside linebacker in this class after the two Devons until the third round. Oh wow.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay, I'm gonna pose the panel this question. Name me one signing that the Bengals made this offseason.


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[Assistant] I would love to go with a quarterback here, maybe even a Drew Locke, because I asked my friend Joe Goodbury, who's very connected with the Bengals and hovers around their organization, knows every year what they're doing, and he thinks that they like Drew Locke more than Dwayne Haskins.


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[Assistant] I'm going to give him Jonah Williams out of Alabama. Obviously Jonah Williams played left tackle for the Crimson Tide. Jonah Williams probably won't play left tackle for the Bengals because they have a solid one in Courtney Glenn. They drafted Billy Price in the first round I believe just last year. But outside of that


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[Assistant] Their offensive line is trash. It's garbage. So, if you really want to succeed inside of structure, and Zach Taylor comes from the LA Rams, right? For two years, they've had one of the best offensive lines and healthy offensive lines.


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[Assistant] In the NFL. Yep. And his goal will be to create a system to succeed for Andy Dalton. In order to do that, you have to have a good offensive line. I think Jim Williams can come in and play either guard or right-tackling media.


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[Assistant] Right. Yeaah. I mean, I think maybe the only other team, you mentioned the Lions and you mentioned the Jaguars. Those are kind of the only ones, but we're going to see maybe a wealth of them go past here. But I think part of that is, you know, I think teams will have different players up there at the top of the tackle spot, either Jonah Williams or Jawan Taylor or Andre Dillard.


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[Assistant] And this line that gets thrown out every single year because it's a complete myth. You know, it really should be best grade available because no matter consciously or subconsciously need is factored into a final grade. And if I'm looking at my depth chart and I know they gave him some money and I see Bobby Hart as my right tackle, I'm taking offensive linemen pretty damn early.


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[Assistant] You know, and Jonah Williams to me, again, it depends on what your evaluations are and what your biases are, but I think Jonah Williams is a solid plug and play player to a multitude of spots.


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of people say, oh look, this was best player available because, you know, it's not addressing immediate need. Teams are also, as Chris knows, looking towards 2020 needs, right? And replacing overpriced, overpaid, declining players and some might view Brian Balaga as that.


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[Assistant] Then, Jawan Taylor, I guess, makes sense here. I think no offence, because even a possibility, though, as well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess it depends on what position you want them to play, cause Andre Dillard has basically only played left tackle, Juwan Taylor's basically only played right tackle. Just quickly closing this out with Taylor, it is amazing how much he's changed his body, okay? Uhm, back, and I know you're about this, Chris. He was 380 pounds coming out of high school, and during the draft process he's basically formed a six pack. So if I can get on that workout plan, Juwan Taylor, send it on over.


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[Assistant] If, again, if I'm looking for past rushers, I care about athleticism.


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[Assistant] Because it gives them a ceiling and an instant leg up and Rashawn Gary offers that and this is a great spot for him at 13.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the Falcons are super excited that Brian Burns is on the board, edge rusher out of FSU. And I know the Falcons have selected edge rushers quite a bit in the past. I mean, you have Vic Beasley, who's a first round pick. You have Tack McKinley, who was a first round pick.


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[Assistant] I mean, if any team values explosiveness, uh, athleticism along that front seven, um, and especially at that edge rushing spot, it is Brian Burns. And this is a player who, you know, like we talked about, has to,


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[Assistant] Really try hard to stay at that 250 pound range. I don't think it really matters. I think he can be active and, and really play the run on the way to the quarterback and you can line him up in a variety of alignment, standing up, three point stance, all that good stuff. And then he's someone that can really, really get after the quarterback and offers a super, super high ceiling.


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[Assistant] And Washington's in an awful spot at the quarterback situation, right? They gave Alex Smith a ton of money with guaranteed money, and now they're basically stuck to that contract. And that's why Case Keenum's there and Colt McCoy's coming off injury. I mean, they will add a rookie quarterback or one on a rookie contract, I should say, at some point.


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[Assistant] I just can't see how anyone likes Daniel Jones outside of him playing under David Cutcliffe and working inside of structure and hitting multiple levels of the field.


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[Assistant] I grew up as a seven year old going to Ben Erickson Stadium down in Clemson actually their first season and please, please Chris Sims, give them Andre Dillard, the left tackle out of Washington State.


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[Assistant] And obviously we've talked about Dave Gettleman and his love for big pass rushers.


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[Assistant] So why not give him the biggest pass thrasher in this class, and that is Dexter Lawrence, interior defensive lineman out of Clemson. Uh, Chris, I might even give you the four on this one because I know you love Dexter Lawrence.


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[Assistant] He is what, like 335, 340 pounds, who once he creates momentum on his first couple steps, there might not be an interior offensive lineman that can anchor against him because he has some unreal movement skills for his size. And also, you know that his


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[Assistant] Bad snaps are just going to be stuck at the line of scrimmage, holding up one or two blockers and stuffing that into your. So Dexter Lawrence to me is very much Dave Gettleman type in a draft class that really, uhm, goes to the types of players that Dave Gettleman loves to draft.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you this though, I don't think it matters to Dave Gettleman, but he's someone who had starlet to the lay, had K-1 short, and then also drafted Vernon Butler in the first round. So he really believes in that rotation up front.


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[Assistant] And the biggest thing for the Vikings is really, they are only gonna go as far offensively as their offensive line will let them go. Yep. And last year's offensive line was horrific. It had a lot of injuries in the middle. And Kirk Cousins, I don't know what you think Chris, I don't think he's


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[Assistant] As consistent as you want against disruption, against pressure, and coming from a clean situation, he's an upper tier quarterback. You know, he's an above average player.


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[Assistant] As a first round selection, and so if a team wants it, and as we talked about, even though they added some nice pieces at the edge rushing spot, Cam Wake, Harold Landry, and last year, two years ago, last year's draft, uhm, this is a player that would offer some rotational pass rushing upside and then maybe


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[Assistant] Steelers at 20, Josh. Ho, I think they might have gone club on fair hill because after bud dupre, you know, has not hit on his first round buzz like TJ watt has, uhm, they still need an edge rusher. Part of me wants to replace Antonio Brown.


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[Assistant] You know, with a DK Metcalf possibly, but I'm going to go with the player that shut down DK Metcalf. An LSU cornerback, greedy, this is a team that has really failed in many ways to draft the cornerback position. Their best corner is Joe Hayden, and they were just able to sign him off the street.


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[Assistant] Best spot might be on the inside taking it from Mike Hilton. So, Greedy Williams is a great athlete. He's someone that plays the ball extremely well. Ball skills are something that can really separate.


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[Assistant] And the issue with that is I don't know if I want to be the team to start that cornerback run because there might be a number that are in that same clump, that same tier that you select from, but I'm going to have the Steelers do that here.


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[Assistant] And for as consistent of a franchise that the Steelers are, they certainly have thrown us curveballs in recent years. I mean, Artie Burns a few years ago took Terrell Edmonds, the safety out of Virginia Tech last year that no one expected to be a first round pick. So we'll be interested to see if they throw a curveball at us this year as well.


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[Assistant] Oftentimes when a tight end is compared to Rob Gronkowski like T.J. Hockinson is, you believe that other tight end is Aaron Hernandez like, right, in terms of a move, H-back,


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[Assistant] I don't think that's no offence. You know, he's being compared to Jordan Reed. He's being compared to Evan Ingram. He's not that fluid and comfortable after the catches those. In fact, to me, Thor, I think he certainly doesn't break tackles. No, but he shows a lot in line. Like he can immediately come in and work as an inline title in that Iowa. He was asked to do that a lot.


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[Assistant] The outside wide receiver passing game took when Lamar Jackson took over compared to Joe Flacco. I mean, John Brown was having a fantastic season and then basically saw three targets a game once.


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[Assistant] If Lamar Jackson can unlock DK Metcats playmaking potential, but in terms of a need, the


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[Assistant] He is a freak. My scale has actually a ten pound difference between what it can be and what it can't be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so for a team that has a blossoming quarterback in Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins and Will Fuller and they keep adding to that interior passing game with Kiki Cutie and Jordan Akins, yada yada.


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[Assistant] I think they've ignored the offensive line for years. And we know that, and maybe they're relying a bit too much on how Deshaun Watson can succeed inside and outside of structure.


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[Assistant] But they need offensive line and sure there might not be that glamorous player like a Cody Ford or a Dillard up there at top.


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[Assistant] I'll go with Caleb McGarry. Okay. A tackle out of Washington and I know that he's not widely viewed as maybe a first round selection but McGarry or Dalton Reisner or someone at this tackle spot so they don't go into the...


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[Assistant] Season with Julian Davenport and Chantrell Henderson and Martinez Rankin and they just signed Matt Kaleo who's never healthy. They have to shore up one of those bookend spots and to me, Carolyn McGarry would do that on the right side.


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[Assistant] Outside of Daniel Jeremiah's top 50, I mean, Dane Bruegler number 63, you know,


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[Assistant] I think the NFL might view him as a third round wide receiver. I truly do. I don't think he's going to go in round one. And especially with the Raiders with Antonio Brown, Tyrell Williams, whoever they want to use in the slot. I think they're kind of set that position. But to me, the value makes sense from a talent standpoint to what obviously they hope to do in Johnny Gruden's offense. What's the biggest knock on him?


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[Assistant] I am so happy, and so is Chris Ballard, that Jerry Tillery, interior defensive lineman, out of...


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[Assistant] Notre Dame. And you have him ranked tenth overall. I do. I mean, uh, again.


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[Assistant] Anyone that can, with athleticism, show bend and flexibility from the interior defensive line spots. I mean, so often he was asked to occupy other blockers to free up others, and then ultimately he was the one that made the play, just because of how fluid and flexible he is.


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[Assistant] From either three technique or five where we're going to use them. And just speaking about Chris Ballard, he's done a fantastic job early in his career with the Colts. I mean, last year we know he acquired those three second round picks moving back.


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[Assistant] And that Sam Darnold trade and was able to draft Quentin Nelson, was able to draft Braden Smith, was able to draft Darius Leonard. I mean, those are three massive hits in his first three selections. And you had Jerry Tillery to a GM, a decision maker who really cares about athleticism and a position of need. This is a perfect player to team fit in my opinion.


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[Assistant] Actually, that was Chris that did that at pick number four. I was like, okay, you know, PJ Ford, Mo Hirsch, they don't prevent you from taking a Quinn and Williams. Now you have four interior defensive linemen that are really good and you have no edge rushers other than Arden Key. And so for me, even if LJ Collier might not be considered a first round type player, LJ Collier much more fits a niche.


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[Assistant] Like the Chiefs have invested so much on offense.


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[Assistant] I'm really, really, really tempted, especially with all the stuff going around Tyreek Hill right now, to go Marquis Brown, the wide receiver out of Oklahoma, I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna add to that,


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[Assistant] Defensive group because it's that much of a need and go with Notre Dame.


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[Assistant] Okay. Because I think he's someone who can play on the outside or the inside, depending on where our coaching staff feels he's best. And that cornerback group is, is horrific here for the Chiefs. I mean, they have Travarious Ward, Rashad Brilliant, they brought in a free agent, Trevon Smith. I mean, these are tall, long corners.


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[Assistant] But they don't, they don't have NFL starting caliber play on their tape already. And Julian Love, like we're seeing here, is someone that can close quickly. He can attack the catch point. And again, I think he can play in a variety of different coverages and succeed.


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[Assistant] The only issue here is they don't have an edge rusher, you know, and Steve Spagnolo is coming in as their defense coordinator, I believe. And every stop he's had, he's had a major rotation. But they're at the board here because they're a good football team at 29 where there probably isn't an edge rusher that they feel comfortable taking.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, I'm not going edge rusher because they just paid a whole bunch of people.


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[Assistant] And the other part of AJ Brown is, you know, he is viewed as a slot receiver because that's where he mostly played with Demarcus Lodge and DK Metcalf on the outside when Metcalf went down.


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[Assistant] He played about a hundred something snaps on the outside as well, and looked very good. If you eliminate landing spot here for this wide receiver class, because it was all kind of jumbled up, I would choose AJ Brown as the player who I think will be the most productive his first year, and especially with Aaron Rodgers, it makes a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] And we know that they lost Trey Flowers who more than anything was an interior disrupter. Uhm, and I know that they signed Michael or traded for Michael Bennett who was an outside to inside player. But I look at this and it's kind of a value selection because they need tied in after


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[Assistant] What about the ones that are on, like, the periphery? You know, ones that we always talk about, okay, they need their quarterback of the future and the Chargers. We've heard that with the Saints before. The Packers now, because Aaron Rodgers is 35 years old.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. I mean, that one makes a lot of sense. You're gonna see a lot of defense as we talked about. Defense, defense, defense early and often with interior and edge rushers.


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[Assistant] And it's funny because, you know, we all do mock drafts, right? But as we got to our later picks, we still saw a lot of talent still on the board. And this at least opened up an exercise that, you know, the 32 teams that are done in a different way here that we haven't seen before.


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[Assistant] Uh, any of the things or that are out there, uh, as long as I'm fortunate enough to be in this role, hopefully this guy has stuck with me for a long time. So he's an outstanding leader. You know, people make a deal about


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[Assistant] The system and he's the he's the reason why our players are the reason why the system is what it is because he can do so many different things. And really, when you just look at the confidence we have in him, Gary,


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[Assistant] Taking steps from year one in the system to year two.


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[Assistant] Just thinking back to last year, how confident he was. And now I think it's even that much more this year. He's got true ownership, a great ability to communicate with his teammates and with him leading the way, we feel really good.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, yo, yo, yo, what up homies, Chris Sims, Ahmed Fareed here to have some fun on a Thursday afternoon, actually Thursday late morning. We're having to tape it a little earlier than normal just because I got a flight. I'm Bobby Big Time Media Guy. I hope you didn't, and did you realize that? I'm kind of a big deal around here.


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[Assistant] Me and Paulie did nice to fall in the game, which is different. A spring game is broad topics.


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[Assistant] To the person who tweets from there. Yes, so it's a team effort.


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[Assistant] Yes. Been killing me. Like I literally looked at my wife last night and was like, I have a problem. Because I've been on like a 10 day run of like 5 Oreos before I go to bed. With or without milk, doesn't even matter. But they're just such a great cookie.


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[Assistant] I just think there's no less saturated fats. I don't think sugar is the same as trans fat. It's some of the products that are used to make it.


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[Assistant] What is your number one cookie? What is everyone's number one cookie? Uh, macadamia nut. Macadamia nut? Sounds so boring and mature. That's really good. No, but it's really good though.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, the two people come to mind, or maybe three, I'll say. The first one, uh, you'll remember Zach Thomas, been a linebacker for the Miami Dolphins, was scary good.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I get under the center, okay, hey, hey, uh, blue 85.


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[Assistant] Blue 85, and as I'd be saying that second number color, Zach Thomas would be like, They're running over there! They're running over there! And I'd be like,


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[Assistant] And give the ball to Michael Pittman and I was like, good luck with this. But you know what's crazy is of course how many times he would guess and then how many times I gave him the ball thinking, oh my gosh, he's going to get killed as soon as I turn around.


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[Assistant] But it didn't happen as much as you thought. We'd get a gain or seven or eight and be like, man, what happened? Zach Thomas knew the play and they didn't stop it. Because if you execute it, you can still... It should be still okay.


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[Assistant] They still might have trouble, plus they're still trying to stay, uh, adhere to their rules. So even though they wanna guess, they don't really just go, Oh, I'm running there cause I guessed there for sure. Exactly right. So, but Zach Thomas was amazing. He certainly-


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[Assistant] And he'd just go, oh screw it, I've seen this formation. They're gonna run a slant route on the other side of the field. And he'd run over there and be calling it out either as he's walking there, as the snap's happening, or just do it at the snap.


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[Assistant] But those are three guys along with Teddy Bruski would be the last guy I would mention in that conversation where I got underneath the center a lot and they would guess plays and they were very close or spot on, a little too much for my company.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if I heard it early on, okay, and if they were really adjusting their defense, were running to the right and all of a sudden they're scooting the offensive line that way and he's changed his play.