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[Assistant] There's probably a few times where I said, okay, let's run the other way or do something like that. Uhm, but if they were just guessing and yelling that right before the snap, first of all, you don't have time to change it. You can't change it when you're real late in the snap, when you're getting ready to say, set hut. If you said it all of a sudden, like, ho ho check check, somebody would jump offside. So you have to be conscious of that as a quarterback too.


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[Assistant] Formation, and the biggest thing, and this is a good follow up question by you, is I think they could tell guards, guards positioning of hands and feet.


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[Assistant] Where a smart player put it together. Interesting, interesting. All those little things that come up in film. A lot of smart guys out there. They might not be great with SATs, but when it comes to football, some of those guys, and I said this about Gronk a few weeks ago,


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[Assistant] Yes, I do. I think the quarterback has been a little overblown with the praise and things like that in the last 10 years. We've made the quarterback the most powerful position in all of sports and he's more powerful than the head coach. Excuse me.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's a lot of those. I get why I get that. That's the story I fight back against all the time. I mean, Nick Foles won a Super Bowl a few years ago. I guess Tom Brady, that's not supposed to happen. Russell Wilson beat Peyton Manning before Russell Wilson was Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] I think it's a little lower. It's a team sport. And that's all I try to beat into everybody's head. It's like they're too crazy about it, right? Exactly right. Phil Simms won a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Tackles in that conversation. You know, even defensive tackle, because defensive tackle, you're involved in so many plays. Run, pass game, there's never really a playoff.


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[Assistant] But I think still, at the, at the base level, and I think the money says this in the NFL right now, guys like Kyle Mac,


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[Assistant] Coming off the edge, what we just saw with Demarcus Lawrence, they can close out games, they can change games.


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[Assistant] They can change game planning for games they have a tremendous effect on


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[Assistant] When we need three yards, we can always run behind you. And, oh, they have Clio Mac? Well, we don't need to help.


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[Assistant] They've also found other creative ways, if you're a smart coach or team, to make those positions still dangerous. And that comes into coaching.


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[Assistant] I could have given you a heads up on this. It's okay, don't worry. Free agency or not, okay? Let me just say this. The Chicago Bears are still one of the top five defenses in football. I don't care that they didn't add anybody special, okay? Uhm, the Jacksonville Jaguars


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[Assistant] Are still gonna be in the conversation for top five best in football. Okay, that's two, two of the five. Yup, that's two. The Ravens, even though they lost C.J. Mosley and Zedaria Smith.


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[Assistant] You know, they regained Earl Thomas, right? Uh, they have some young players who are coming up the ranks there. I think that's another group. I'd sit there and go, they're in the top five. I don't care about free agency. So there's three off the bat.


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[Assistant] Uhm, let me just give a quick look at the scroll. It's a podcast. We could cut out the dead time if it becomes too long.


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[Assistant] You know, the fact that they resigned to Robert Quinn on the edge and then already just resigned to Demarcus Lawrence, that to me would be another team, again, they didn't need a lot, is still in the top five defense of conversation. And I just want to make sure, hold on everybody.


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[Assistant] Unless you were just, exactly right, unless you were just totally decimated with, now what you see more is like I think about a Green Bay Packers team who was in the 20s last year in defense, or maybe the 10s.


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[Assistant] I'm a little off, but either way, they made additions to where I go, ooh, watch out for that team. They could be in the conversation for the top five defensive football this year. I think that's one thing that I look at, but I think overall, and I just want to give one more look here and then we can move on to the next question because I feel like I'm missing one team that might have killed it in free agency that I'm leaving out.


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[Assistant] Hey, I'd watch out for the San Francisco 49ers, but Dee Ford and Quan Alexander are now having the number two pick coming up. I think they're a team that I would go.


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[Assistant] What do I hit on that? When the timing is right, it might not be until after the draft. Excuse me, I keep burping up my coffee. I think it's I drank too much coffee. Yes, thank you. Right before the podcast. Yes, and during the podcast as well.


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[Assistant] The 49ers, okay, offensive and defensive line, don't need much there, okay, let's just talk about the needs of the football team in general. And, you know, hey, you're sitting at number two, which to me just screams Joey Bo, or Nick Bo, excuse me, or Quinn and Willis.


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[Assistant] You know, defensive tackle is not a huge need for the San Francisco 49ers. They got the two, you know, Oregon trees in the middle, Eric Armstead and DeForest Buckter. They also got Solomon Thomas, who's a defensive tackle, defensive and hybrid.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I mean, listen, I'm not in love with that. Uh, he's certainly gotta be careful. Yeah, there's gonna be a certain faction of people out there that are not gonna love Nick Bosa for those things. Uh, and again, you know, I've said this already.


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[Assistant] I, Colin Kaepernick, did I agree everything he made?


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[Assistant] Or, or did how he did it? No, not exactly, but I do believe in the fight he was fighting against. The cause was just, I've witnessed it, I've seen it, so I don't like that Nick Bosa called him a clown.


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[Assistant] When the guy he supports is like the clowniest guy I know on the planet right now. Who's more of a millennial than any millennial I know. So I wanna push back there, but that's a story for another time, okay?


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[Assistant] If we did draft this guy, how is this gonna be received? Whatever it may be. This will probably be thrown into the equation for like a team like the 49ers now.


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[Assistant] You know? And if they don't feel like it's too big of a deal, I don't think it'll change anything. But if they got some report back and Jed York and Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch look at it and were like,


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[Assistant] Holy crap, 90% of our fans are saying they're gonna hate us if Nick Bogan, then they might go, damn, maybe we need to readjust here. That could be a possibility. But the 49ers, another difference-making receiver, okay? Last thing there.


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[Assistant] Really probably another difference maker at the corner position.


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[Assistant] You're right. I'll say, I know this much. I know that early on in the whole Donald Trump thing, it was an issue in locker rooms.


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[Assistant] I have been told by coaches and even players that even some of his supporters were in a locker room.


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[Assistant] That's a brilliant idea. Now the thing, the only hurdle you gotta get there is quarterback to running back exchange, right?


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[Assistant] Everyone's gonna go, what a bunch of f***ing idiots the Giants are. Why would you do that? Why wouldn't you let Eli Manning take the step? St. Corn, Berkeleyism took a snap all game long. And I think ultimately that's probably what will scare coaches. Now,


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[Assistant] Maybe they should get in a pistol and just do something like that. Give them the running head start to do it. We've seen some of that. We've seen some of that, right? Cam Newton does that, right? It's the same type of thing. But honestly, it's still a very good idea. You just would have to make sure you get the reps and really get them running back greased up on how to handle a snap. Because in short yardage situations, let me just say this much too, the snap changes.


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[Assistant] It's a little bit of an art form. It is, right? Knowing how to place the hand, what the play is, you know, what is the center's responsibility, and kind of having a feel of, okay, I gotta keep my hand next to this guy's, you know, junk area.


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[Assistant] And then yes, you get the Los Angeles Chargers, and I think I'm missing a team or two that are also, oh, the Dallas Cowboys, uh, with Chris Richard down there and Rob Maranelli. That's the Seattle scheme. Yes, my biggest issue with it is,


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[Assistant] If you're not super, super talented and now you have to play a team like the New England Patriots who


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[Assistant] Especially on obvious passing downs and things like that because the good teams, they might feast on the poor a little bit in the NFL, but the good teams, the good offenses with smart quarterbacks, when you go up to the line of scrimmage and they know what defense you're in,


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[Assistant] Man, you're gonna get carved up just like they did in that playoff game. You have to throw some curve balls at the OC. Or you have to be...


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[Assistant] Seattle of 2014 or 13, who's crazy talented, or maybe the Jacksonville Jaguars. They can get away with it too, cause they got


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[Assistant] He beat the Avengers. I mean nobody, the bad guy won the last one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, it is cool. I enjoy it. And, uh, the Hulk will be back for this one. The Hulk was a little gun-shy. He came in with a game plan to fight Thanos.


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[Assistant] So he was out of the cold, yeaah. He became gunshot. I'm in now. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the offense is going to look different. The first thing is, I think it's the first time you're going to see a concerted effort to run the football in Green Bay.


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[Assistant] I think you're going to see that because Lefleur, who's from McVeigh's Shanahan scheme, he believes in the run game too. We saw it with Derek Henry. That's going to be the first change you're going to see. Then off of that, I think what you'll see even more, and which is just absolutely tailor made for Aaron Rodgers and his absolute blasphemy that he hasn't had this in his offense, is bootlegs and more play action passes.


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[Assistant] I mean, Aaron Rodgers with a run game. Oh, we have to fake the run. Oh no, Aaron Rodgers is 10 yards deep now.


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[Assistant] And, whoa, has his receivers had a lot of time downfield to work some, you know, intricate deep down the field routes, and now you got maybe the greatest throw of the ball down the field in the history of the sport. To do that, I think that's where they're gonna be more exciting this year.


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[Assistant] You know, it might not, it's not, maybe 40 passes a game, you know, five yards at a time, five yards at a time. I think you're going to see a better coached offense and more well-rounded offense.


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[Assistant] Right, you only played a few games for Texas A&M, right? Or not even...


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[Assistant] It is, I mean, really, my favorite NFL memories, oddly enough, are probably through my dad. I mean, honestly. I mean, I got some for my, but...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you know, it still was very special to be able to grow up on a Sunday afternoon and I'm 10 years old and it's like, what are you doing today? Well, I'm in the car.


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[Assistant] Going to watch my dad play against Reggie White as a quarterback, I mean.


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[Assistant] That's kind of special. It almost sounds crazy as I say it out of my mouth right now. So, I have a lot of great memories there.


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[Assistant] One was a regular season game where I threw a...


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[Assistant] Uh, game tying touchdown pass with like 38 seconds left. The Redskins jumped off sides twice on the extra point.


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[Assistant] And then Gruden called us off the sideline and said, let's go for two.


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[Assistant] We were the better team on the field that day. We blew it.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, I had two passes get tipped to the line of scrimmage that got intercepted, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, Cadillac Williams fumbled when he was down in the middle of a pile and Sean Taylor picked it up and ran for like a 50-yard touchdown. We lost the game in a shocking way. End to end. This is 0-5.


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[Assistant] And we were Calvin Johnson ruled. I was really the first Calvin, one of the first Calvin Johnson ruled guys. I threw a touchdown pass to a guy named Adele Shepard late in the fourth quarter that was going to tie the game. He caught it, he crossed the goal line, he fell to his knees, still had it.


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[Assistant] And everybody tells me, woah, everybody tells me my ball went into the hole that the cannons were in, and they even said that on TV during the game. So that will be my one play memory there.


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[Assistant] Uh, just like, oh yeaah, cool, you seem like a cool one, we'll let you in. So uhm, yeaah, that's the one thing I can tell you is Lee Harvey didn't do it.


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[Assistant] Uh, but there was definitely a person on the grassy knoll, okay, so there was somebody there and somebody behind him at some point, and to me, I don't know exactly who the people are, but it definitely seems like an inside government job. From everything that I've read.


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[Assistant] Definitely, it's just, it's so obvious, it's, it's crazy. I mean, it's, yeaah, I mean, come on. The president's going through the city of Dallas and they have way less than normal people on the streets, secret service people there to protect him. It was a coup d'etat.


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[Assistant] Right. I mean, it would be kind of a pain in the butt when like all 32 players that are supposed to be first round picks go, I want to play for New England. Right. Oh yea, I want to go into Superbowl. And I know the money is going to play into that, all that too. But, uh, we're going to, we're going to, I have been owning Florio in the draft lately too. Our draft on the show, everything. He's anti-draft.


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[Assistant] Oh, even the draft that's going on in two weeks, he wants to avoid it sometimes and just talk about other stuff, uh, cause he doesn't deem himself as an expert in the draft.


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[Assistant] Doing free agency in his free time going, I wonder when Russell will get signed up here. I mean, that was such an obviously planted question there. You know, the rumors came out about Russell Wilson maybe wanting to play for the Giants, right? That came out around that time. Uh, Russ Sierra wants to get out of town.


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[Assistant] All of those things. That came out. And then Jack Del Rio, okay, recently coming out and saying don't be surprised if Russell Wilson gets traded. Hey, Ken Norton Jr. used to be on Jack Del Rio's staff. Ken Norton Jr.'s back in Seattle.


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[Assistant] Coaches usually don't say things like that unless they know something. I'm not saying that it's gonna happen, but he might have heard that they're thinking about it, whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] Run the ball. Marshawn Lynch. Play defense. Russell, take care of the ball.


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[Assistant] Right, I think they're starting to start back at scratch. And I think Pete Carroll's looking at it, and John Schneider, who are guys that are not afraid to make bold decisions as we've seen, I think they're going.


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[Assistant] Yeah, probably multiple first round picks. What's gonna hurt his value just a hair is the fact that he's going to ask for a contract to be the highest paid player in the history of the sport. So they're not gonna be able to ask for something.


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[Assistant] Will Mack is in the prime of his career, too. You know, Russell is still in the prime, but he's gonna be starting to hit the down slope here very shortly. Not to say he's not gonna still be awesome.


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[Assistant] You might not, but you can also buy a lot of other cool things to make the days a lot more fun too. Whether that's, you know, jet skis or whatever else.


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[Assistant] No, they really don't, though. Texas doesn't, they have a great pride in going, we're the University of Texas, we're specialists. They don't have to. They don't have to. Right, exactly right. But the other thing to- Maybe now they have.


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[Assistant] Maybe now they do have to rebuild things. Uh, the other thing too, and just to be totally transparent,


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, the women are on a different level in the NFL. And you're in college, it's college girls. When you're in the NFL, it's all kinds of girls. And that added to the fun nights as well. The enjoyment of it as well? Yes, exactly right.


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[Assistant] My wife? Unfortunately, I was not the best early days in my career, so she's very aware of that. I'm very transparent, hence, hence the unbuttoned. I will always let you know. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] I got faith. I like the team. I really do. Now listen, I'll say this right off the bat. I still don't think they should have got rid of Joe Girardi, but other than that, I still think this team is special.


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[Assistant] Alright, so Easton Stick. It's funny, this guy's asking me this. Who's Easton Stick? He's the North Dakota State quarterback from the Carson Wentz University there. I've only seen a little on him, okay? So, I'm going to get into him deeply next week. This is, I have even a lot of my friends in the NFL.


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[Assistant] They might, and I'm going to get there. But at first I have to hit the big names at all the positions. So I haven't got as deep in the weeds with some of the guys down the line yet, was what I'm getting to. So, next week, I promise you, you're gonna get a Nick Easton breakdown of what he is as a player. But I'm intrigued. What rumors have you heard? Have you heard any rumors? Well, I think he's a guy that's on a fringe. What was that back there, Pete?


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[Assistant] But, but I, I do think he's one of those guys that's on the fringe of all the names we hear about a lot. The big names. You know, he's not in the Locke-Murray-Haskins category, you know, but then there's that next category of Finley-Stidham.


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[Assistant] Daniel Jones, Will Greer, those kind of guys. I think Nick Easton's probably towards the end of that group right there. Uh, just from what I hear from friends around the NFL.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's Center for the Saints. Isn't the Georgia quarterback something Easton? I thought that's where I was getting it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, hey, you're an asshole and that's not what happened, okay? Uh, the reason we got him and asked him for on the podcast because he fits the criteria of guys where I always like to give credit to, guys that maybe I was wrong about, one, or guys


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[Assistant] Uh, number two that I feel like are not getting the credit that they deserve and other big names at that position are just totally overshadowing everybody at the position.


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[Assistant] To me, a DB and a wide receiver, that happens a lot. A wide receiver, all we ever talk about is Odell, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones. And then really the next guy is probably AJ Green. And we never get into DeAndre Hopkins or Mike Evans, who are right there in that class as far as those guys. Now where I was wrong with DeAndre Hopkins,


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[Assistant] I'll be the first to tell you, I was probably a little too much into devaluing him because of run yards after catch at times. I also probably, uhm, let the fact that he'd had bad quarterback play


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[Assistant] I let it bleed onto him and his game a little bit when I don't think that was fair. I think where I started to change my mind was really last year with Deshaun Watson when I go, oh, here's a quarterback who's just trying to get him the ball consistently, who can at least throw the ball accurately consistently. And then you start to see, okay, yeah, maybe he's not Odell and Mike Evans where he can just beat you deep all the time.


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[Assistant] He can beat you deep, you have to be careful of that. His ability to catch the ball in traffic is the best in football. And his ability to catch the ball with back shoulder throws or people all over him,


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[Assistant] Is the best in football. Michael Thomas is very good at this as well in the New Orleans Saints. And there is some great value to that. It's a great safety net for a quarterback. Plus I feel like the last two years


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[Assistant] He can. He could be number one. He certainly has that capability. He does. I don't think he's ever gonna be as electric as Antonio O'Dell with the ball in his hands.


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[Assistant] Hey, he thinks he's number one, and I have him all for that. I mean, he's in the conversation. I know that much.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know. Does Jeff Hosteller get part of that? Too much starting eventually. So that goes, you know, away by the wayside. Let me think if we're missing anybody else. Frank Frank is certainly the first guy that pops to my mind.


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[Assistant] Uhm, oh yes, my, uh, producer of Pete's getting in my ear going, Jim Sorgi. I mean, I guess, how would we even know he was a good backup? He never got on the freakin' field.


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[Assistant] It's not Chase Daniel, but that's why I said Frank Reich, exactly right. Oh, like Steve Bono, okay? You remember him back at the Kansas City Chiefs 49ers days? He could come in at a jam where I'd say, we're just gonna go true elite.


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[Assistant] These guys are backups, except for a handful of stars here and there through their career. Then, you know another one?


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[Assistant] Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett was an extremely, Jason Garrett won games for that damn Dallas Cowboy team in their Super Bowl run years, uh, more than once when Troy Aikman got hurt or had issues. So, he would be another guy I'd throw in that conversation. That's interesting.


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[Assistant] It is, it got my brain, got my brain stirring for sure.


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[Assistant] I wanna go to Australia, like, badly. Never been there. Never been to that, well, I guess I've been to Tokyo in that same hemisphere. Would that be considered that hemisphere? Yes, right?


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[Assistant] Oh, I think it's even more than, oh, from anywhere in the world. From here it's probably like 20 something hours. That's the only thing that I, why I don't want to go is I just don't want to deal with the flight. But at some point in my life that is going to happen. And if NBC could make that happen in a summer when we have a little time to get away and they'll pay for the trip, I'm there broski, I'm there.


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[Assistant] That's great. Those are probably two of the obvious ones right off the bat. Okay, other position coaches. Rod Marinelli, who's a defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys with a specialty as defensive line.


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[Assistant] I think he is in that conversation. Added to a guy which I think was a big improvement to their staff last year, who I would also put in this conversation, is Chris Richard.


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[Assistant] Okay, who came from Seattle as the, the defensive coordinator, secondary guy. He shored up what Dallas was doing in the secondary last year, which I think was the reason we saw big improvements to them.


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[Assistant] One of the best offenses in football this year, but yet we hired other guys who coached 20-something ranked offenses and we figured that was okay because they knew Sean McVeigh at some point. Exactly. Right. They didn't know Sean McVeigh. So that bothers me. Rich Basatia, special teams coach for the Oakland Raiders.


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[Assistant] Those would be some of the guys that right off the bat jump out to me, uh, in my mind that I know I'm probably missing a few others.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know, I'm probably missing a few others, but those, those are the ones that certainly are the first that are listed at the top of my list.


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[Assistant] I want guys that have high aspirations and want to do something. More likely, more times than not, those guys are the ones who work hard, have great personality, have an end goal in mind, bring great energy on a daily basis.


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[Assistant] You know, Ryan Fitzpatrick, people tell you he's the smartest quarterback in football. Man, he's also the dumbest quarterback in football. I mean, he throws some of the dumbest interceptions we've seen in football over the last five years. So, it doesn't always translate that way, okay? And, you know, again, it's football. It's not rocket science, okay? So, you know, even as a quarterback, yes, you would prefer somebody smart.


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[Assistant] There's been plenty of average smart guys who have been superstars at the quarterback position. When the coach says, hey, we want to run it right,


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[Assistant] I know we don't want that kind of guy, Joe Marcus Russell, whatever it be, like right, he might fit that mold.


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[Assistant] To don't disregard the talent because all the greatest quarterbacks of all time that you think are the greatest quarterbacks of all time


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[Assistant] Yeah, they had minds that were good too, but I mean, Aaron Rodgers in my opinion is the greatest quarterback ever because his coach and his offensive play designers can call plays and he can make decisions that other guys can't make because he has greater physical ability to do it. Like, oh, there's a guy barely open on third and 12.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers, I look at him as one of the best quarterbacks ever because he's got some of the greatest skills ever.


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[Assistant] Dan Marino, who we just talked about, one of the greatest arms ever. John Elway, one of the greatest arms ever.


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[Assistant] Brett Favre, one of the greatest arms ever. Tom Brady, one of the greatest arms ever. People miss out on that. Tom Brady could throw the ball 75 yards in the air, and he could throw lasers all over the field. The only guy I would sit here and paid manning, maybe not


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[Assistant] One of the greatest arms ever, but in his prime there was never a year where he didn't have one of the five best arms in football. And he was a giant man and a really good athlete for being a giant man too.


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[Assistant] You know what, his physical attributes are not like off the charts special. He was clutch, he was a great rhythm passer, he was, uh, had great touch passing, uh, those, and he was a good athlete. But yeah, for me, again, and I might be in the minority,


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[Assistant] I know it does, but yet, you know, he left the 49ers and what happened? The 49ers went to the NFC championship game, the NFC championship game, the Super Bowl, back to the playoffs, so it's not about one guy.


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[Assistant] I think overall at the position, I still would give it to Joe. Steve probably had better physical attributes, but you know, some of the things our guy's talking about there, Joe was better at.


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[Assistant] You know, again, you don't need to have a 35 on the Wonder Lick. There's been...


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[Assistant] A lot of Super Bowl quarterbacks who've gotten an 18, a 19. You know, really, for most teams, the line of demarcation is as long as they don't get 15 or under, they go, they're smart enough to be a successful quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you were going to get really technical, I mean, you're right. That would probably be the correct thing to do to get exact measurements about where the eye level is.


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[Assistant] So I think it's real. It's a real, yeaah, it's a real 510. Uhm, again.


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[Assistant] Size, height is not important as this day and age in the NFL as it used to be. You know, the first thing is, and I will always say this, quarterbacks coming to the NFL now have


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[Assistant] More reps than ever before. I mean, Kyler Murray threw the ball 45 times a game last year at Oklahoma, you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, size is a skill. I think that gets overlooked a lot at the quarterback position. Size is a skill. But the other thing is, you're watch football, the read option.


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[Assistant] The squ- quick screens out on the edge of a defense, bubble screens, boom, boom. The game has become a little bit more horizontal that way.


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[Assistant] I faked that read option and now I pulled it and now I got a six yard window to throw my slant.


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[Assistant] I don't give a damn if you're 5'1 or 7'4, at that point it doesn't matter. And I think that's part of the reason, uh, it doesn't matter as much anymore either. Interesting.


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[Assistant] You know, hires at the coaching position that just haven't quite worked out. Greg Ciano went in there, became a little too hardcore.


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[Assistant] You know, first of all, they went Rahim Morris. Let's just start there. Rahim Morris probably, uh, before


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[Assistant] at the time to improve the team. But Chiano was a little too much of a hard-line guy. I think that drove the team crazy where, you know, he's college, get your toes on the line and, you know, the three o'clock meeting starts at 2.55.


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[Assistant] That's cool in college, but when you have like 34 year old men, they don't want to hear that. I think that got old on that group down there. You know, okay, who am I missing in between there? Oh, Lovey Smith?


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[Assistant] You know, yes, that didn't work out, so that was kind of a bad hire. Dirk Cutter was okay, it wasn't the worst. Jameis Winston added to the dysfunction there a little bit okay at times. But, yeaah, I just don't think they've been able to match.


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[Assistant] Personnel side, as far as getting the roster right. And when the roster is right, the coaching's been a little less than then.


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[Assistant] So I just think it's some mishirings, uhm, and, and maybe some bad signings and free agency here and there. But I, I think this is the road to recovery right here.


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[Assistant] One wrong move can just screw your franchise. You know, again, I would sit there and argue and go, man, Tampa Bay, I think they got it right with Dirk Cutter the last time.


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[Assistant] The area that was wrong is Dirk Cutter liked Mike Smith as his defensive coordinator. And Mike Smith was still running the same exact defense he was running in 2003 with the Jacksonville Jaguars. When I was playing against them in the preseason, it hadn't changed.


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[Assistant] There you go, you go, okay, we got three or four positive things, but that fifth thing is way horrible, and that can bring down the three or four positive things in a major way to make everything look real average or horrible if you're really lacking in one department.


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[Assistant] Well, I think he is going to be the starter. They're going to let him have every chance to mess this up, let's say. I think it would take a, you know,


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[Assistant] A run through training camp and preseason for Ryan Tananel to impress and win.


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[Assistant] I don't think so, I don't think that way. There was another team I put in that 49ers Tampa Bay category where I'd go, don't fall asleep on this team.


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[Assistant] Let's see, I just want to make sure I'm not missing. They probably need another difference-making linebacker. Okay. They lost a Vontez Burfect. I know they re-signed Preston Brown. They could use something along those lines. To me, maybe the biggest area of need for the Bengals though is a difference-making


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[Assistant] Hey, I do think we're getting into the year of, this is it. It's do or die for Andy Dalton. It's been really good.


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[Assistant] It's also been a lot of years of, oh, I think they could do better at that position too. So, so I guess in a long story short, that's where I would probably put that conversation. Those positions. Corners, they're good. Uh, there's a lot of good on the roster.


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[Assistant] Kyle is in the category of one of my best friends. So, yes, there's definitely a little bias. I try not to be biased. I do my best. I understand that naturally it will occur. We're talking about two awesome freakin' play callers, okay? We're talking about two WizKids. Uhm, such great respect for Sean McVay.


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[Assistant] Kyle Shanahan is the better offensive game planner and play caller for me though. And I don't mean to disrespect that.


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[Assistant] Ability to tie their plays together the right way so they work during a game. But yes, I think Shanahan is a little more creative in cracking the code.


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[Assistant] Oh, this is the defense you run? Ooh, okay, I know the rules of this defense.


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[Assistant] Because they play the Seattle Scheme. Kyle worked in Atlanta with the Seattle Scheme. He's played a play against the Seahawks a lot. Uh, when he was in Atlanta, he played against them. And then of course the 49ers. And now the Jacksonville Jaguars come to town. And his own defense now runs the Seattle Scheme in San Francisco. To where he went, I know the rules of this defense. And what happened in that game?


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[Assistant] The Jaguars were on the sidelines yelling at each other because he had cracked their code to where they were going, this has been my rule for 14 weeks and now you're telling me it's not my rule? So that's why I give Kyle the slight advantage there.


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[Assistant] Kyle's brilliance to me always was the fact when we were in Tampa Bay, Kyle was a quality control coach.


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[Assistant] Years two and three in the NFL in Tampa Bay and the greatest thing he ever did in his career


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[Assistant] Was he would sit in on the defensive meetings of the Tampa Bay Buccaneer staff, which was a all-star coaching staff. I mean, it's Monty Kiffin, who's an all-time great defensive coordinator. Rod Marinelli, who you know about. Gus Bradley, who you know about.


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[Assistant] But they were there and Kyle would sit there in their meetings and listen to the defense. Oddly enough, the Seattle scheme...


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[Assistant] Was really invented by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the team I was on. They went from Tampa 2 to this Cover 3 press bail, uh, towards the end of my tenure there at Tampa. That's really where it started. And Pete Carroll was at USC, used to come down and meet Vatmani Kiffinalli.


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[Assistant] He kinda stole it and advanced it from there, and then Gus Bradley went up there with Pete Carroll with the Seattle Seahawks, and they of course went to a Super Bowl and did all that, and Gus Bradley went to Jacksonville. But that's where Kyle, Shannon, and I think


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[Assistant] Separated himself in a big time way to understand defenses and their rules and what they're being coached because it's only helped him to devise game plans to screw people over.


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[Assistant] Uh, Instagram at Sims Unbuttoned. And if you want to watch two idiots on screen talk to each other and a guy drink a really unhealthy energy drink, uh, then it's youtube.com slash NBC Sports. Everybody have a good weekend. Be safe. Peace out, homies. Say something. Say bye.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? C'mon man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Sin's Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] It don't give you that chalky feel, you know, like a lot of protein drinks give you that chalky feel or that.


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[Assistant] That fulling, that full feeling when you drink it, so you really can't eat lunch or your dinner. Uhm, but this is the best, the smoothest.


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[Assistant] Not really, I got a real high metabolism, uhm, so it really doesn't matter what I eat, but now I'm getting up on age a little bit so I gotta watch what I eat at a certain hour, uhm, so that's where the rockin' protein comes in, you know, perfect for me.


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[Assistant] Oh, you know, the top reciever I love to watch is, you know, Julio. You know, coming out with Julio, you know, we always, uh, was compared together and we worked out together and that guy is unbelievable.


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[Assistant] OTA1, we gon' kick the defense butt. And that's, that's what we like to hear, man. I just, I love the way he teaches. Uhm, he's not yelling at you, he's teaching you every little detail in, in...


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[Assistant] I've been saying rough shot for my whole life. Rough shod? Rough shod. Rough shod. What the f*** is a shod?


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[Assistant] Who will give me this seat? I got it on me. I will give you two thousand.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not sick of it, I think it's been good. Thanks. But damn, when's it gonna end?


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[Assistant] And so he, he immediately knew that where they land, who the coach, the


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[Assistant] Career as anything. Your talent, no matter how great,


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[Assistant] Well, what do we do? Who's the, what are we going to say? Who's the linebacker? Who? And it was really something. And I'm glad we worked on it because we played them in the playoffs a year. We didn't score any points, but at least I knew where they were going to line up. But that defense, um, the Astroturf, uh, everything about it was the best that I played against. And the sad thing is it just, they only won one Super Bowl with that team. Right. That's one thing. But the Dallas Cowboys,


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[Assistant] I don't know, I must say they won one playoff game in that whole run.


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[Assistant] And, you know, we're not even a good team. We're in disarray.


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[Assistant] First you had so little time, because Buddy Ryan did such a great job.


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[Assistant] Of lining up where you really couldn't double team any of his good pass rushers.


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[Assistant] They like quarterbacks that can really throw it.


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[Assistant] Legendary arm in the NFL without question, but Mark Rippon


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[Assistant] I mean, every boy through was perfect that day. Jay Schrader, I mean, listen, he might throw in row two every once in a while, but I'll never forget playing him in the championship game.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Sims on Button Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] And I didn't attend any climate rallies last week, but my family did. You were in the building. My family did. Sorry, I gotta pay the bills, okay? But what up, mo' foes? What's happening? We here!


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[Assistant] Uhm, I got Johnald McDonald behind the camera. Yup.


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[Assistant] We got the Chris Sims on button. Like I said, Ahmed's here. We're gonna have fun. Do deep dive on two games, okay?


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[Assistant] We're gonna deep dive the Rams-Bucks scoring extravaganza. Great game. Yeah, great game, right? I mean, that was fun to watch. Got a few interesting things to say about that matchup.


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[Assistant] That was kind of the great game at the one o'clock time. Pretty awesome. My Detroit Lions. Your Detroit Lions. You didn't want to believe me before the year that I said they might be kind of good this year. They might be kind of competitive. You were like, this Chris Sims guy, I don't think he knows what he's talking about.


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[Assistant] But they did. They were the better feel, better team on the field yesterday. There's no question about that. Uhm, let's see. What else we got? We got damn okay today. Damn, okay. Damn, okay. We got two on the list today and I think you, I've heard you have one yourself. I have one. I'm gonna throw one in there. Alright, sounds good.


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[Assistant] Let's do that, and then uhm, alright, let's get right to it. You know what we're gonna do, give me the headline, that's what we're gonna start off with, and the first one is...


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[Assistant] Drew Brees when he tore his shoulder, uh, with the Chargers before he ended up going to New Orleans that year. You know, you get in that position where your arm gets extended and then you fall on it as it's getting extended. It just gets pushed so far back and seen a few other courts. Chuck Pennington had an injury like that as well where he tore his, I was really worried about his torn labrum.


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[Assistant] And I know that there's the reporting that there might have been a slight tear in the labor room, right? So either way, it's not as throwing shoulder. That's at least one positive thing about it. But the headline there with the Bears is no big deal. I mean, NBD, okay? I mean, Trubisky is a ceiling higher than Chase Daniel. Yes, it is.


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[Assistant] Is he better than Chase Daniel right now? I'm not sure about that because I can't really say a whole lot of positive things about Mitchell Trubisky this year. I was a defender of him last year.


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[Assistant] I really was. I see athletic talent in him. I see big throws from time to time. But the lack of consistency this year has been concerning.


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[Assistant] Uh, and Chase Daniel came in yesterday and, you know, listen, this is one thing I've been told behind the scenes from a number of people. And Matt Nagy, he kind of says this in his cryptic coach language.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, and if you really listen to him, he can't put in his full array of offense, or I gotta pull back and make things simpler on offense. You think that's true? I think it is true. I've heard from people around the NFL that is an issue with Trubisky. That the, uh, you just can't dump huge amounts of inventory on him.


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[Assistant] People in the NFL, like, uh, when I said the Bears were still going to be one of the best defenses on football before the season, I had a lot of friends who were on the NFL. Oh, their defense is going to fall out for that Vic.


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[Assistant] Like, they're crazy. That's, I just want to say that. That's my headline. Vic Who, okay?


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[Assistant] Because Chuck Pagano is a freaking really good coach. And I, you know, I think for some reason there's this like mystique around Chuck Pagano because he got fired with the Indianapolis Colts and their defense was never top tier. Can you name me a player from those Colts defenses that went to the playoffs the first few years of Andrew Lux career? No, nobody can. That's the point. Chuck Pagano got teams that were crap.


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[Assistant] To the playoffs, him and Andrew Luck, and, you know, again, he's showing that he is a hell of a defensive coach. And that was an impressive, dominant win by them yesterday. Shut out that Vikings run game, and Kirk Cousins was not very special.


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[Assistant] No, I would say he's in a little bit more, if you maybe pick one of the two, I would say he's in a little bit of a rough situation. Everybody sees digs in Thiel and they think they should be good in the past game.


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[Assistant] Okay, Diggs and Thielen are real good. Okay, don't get me wrong here.


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[Assistant] But let's first off, this is not like Odell and Antonio Brown or Julio Jones. It's not like teams are going, oh my gosh, we have to double these two or they're going to tear us apart man to man. Teams are wary of them, certainly.


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[Assistant] And maybe he'll double a guy in a certain down and distance and situation because they know the offense wants to go to them, right? But more times than not, they don't get double coverage because they're like, oh, so super talented, we gotta put two guys on him.


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[Assistant] I do question if they couldn't run the ball.


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[Assistant] And the answer is no. And because I've been very underwhelmed. It's basic stuff. It's, it's day one, day two, day three. Like, this is a, it's the first day of training camp and we're just gonna try to get the rookies used to a few NFL plays. I mean, that's their inventory of their pass offense. So it does not impress me that way.


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[Assistant] And if the run game doesn't work, I think you see Strugglesville that way. And I think, I don't think Adam Thielen's taken a shot at Cousins. I don't. I think he just realizes like,


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[Assistant] Man, there was a few plays we were open and we could have struck and we got a hit right now. If we don't hit on those, you know, I mean, then we lose. He's frustrated. He's frustrated. He should be. But I'm just going to tell you, it's not going to get much better. Like,


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[Assistant] Him and Diggs are not gonna be around 100 receptions. This is not, they're, they're just not capable.


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[Assistant] Toughness and physicality still wins football games. You know, again, I know it's like we're in this era of like, oh, you gotta have the franchise quarterback or you can't win a game.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Sure. I mean, look at the Jacksonville Jaguars. Look at the Carolina Panthers. Look at the New Orleans Saints. Two weeks in a row. Two wins. Are those guys franchise quarterbacks? Absolutely not. But, I mean, the New Orleans Saints.


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[Assistant] They made this transition a few years ago. They're no longer about like 5,000 yards passing. And I know everybody kind of thinks that because you just see Jill Brees and Sean Payton and that's what it is.


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[Assistant] You're absolutely insane, and I said this on the pod last week, if you think you're gonna run up the middle on the New Orleans Saints. It's just one big bad mofo after another in there.


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[Assistant] Nobody's gonna push them around. I don't care if you're the Dallas Cowboys now or the Dallas Cowboys of 1993. They're not pushing the Saints' interior O-line. The Saints got run on a little bit the first two weeks, but it was on the edge.


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[Assistant] It was those type of runs. It wasn't like up the middle. And hey, they're just playing smart football. They're playing defense. I'm excited to watch that film. I'm going to break that down for the Wednesday deep dive just because I feel like the Saints might have done some different stuff on the back end coverage that because they've been a man aggressive type football team, but a huge win and Bridgewater is not messing games up, kind of taking what's there to be had, which is exactly


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's just, it's not. And for everybody out there, I don't think the stats would have been any better if True Breeze played last night. There wasn't that much there to be had. Heat doing interception.


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[Assistant] Okay, and it wasn't his fault. Teddy Ginn dropped the football, but he played the game just right. Sean Payton played the game just right. Their defense was very impressive.


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[Assistant] Uh, no run game for the Cowboys. And Dak Prescott, yea, had a few times of not being able to create a big pass play.


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[Assistant] Also, Jason Winton fumbles wide open down the middle of the field as they're kinda like, oh, maybe they're gonna start mounting a drive. And here's one other big point that I was missed during the game.


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[Assistant] Games 3-3, okay? Halfway through the second quarter.


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[Assistant] Saints driving the ball, and anybody needs to go back and watch this. There's a pass to Michael Thomas on the right sideline, back shoulder pass, right? Only got one foot down. Uh, I thought that the Cowboys should have challenged that. I'm 100% positive it was one foot down. Uhm, we can look at it together later if you want, but either way.


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[Assistant] Right, it was the number two run defense in football last year. And again, I think it gets overshadowed because we go Kamara, Thomas, Breeze, Sean Payton, and we just forget things. And then we see their defense, their past defense has not been great. So I feel like they must have changed something up.


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[Assistant] The Dallas offense, as you know, I've sang their praise very hard the first few weeks of the year. Certainly were stymied last night. Marshawn Latimore was phenomenal. And, uh, I just, I want to see what they did to attack the Cowboys back in the secondary and what kind of new wrinkles they threw at them. But, either way, that was a fun football game. I enjoy watching 12-10.


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[Assistant] Buttholes get tight in those games, okay? They just do, alright? I mean, they do. You get afraid to, oh, I'm gonna mismanage the situation, the game.


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[Assistant] You know, what do I do here? Do I take a chance and, you know, pick an aggressive pass play or, and all of a sudden, you know, a strip sack fumble or an interception can change the game. Right. And I enjoy that. So, uh, alright, that's it for that game. Now.


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[Assistant] That was almost a deep dive. That was almost a deep dive. When you get talking about uptight buttholes, that's a deep dive, okay? Alright, Mike Tirico podcast. Tirico, Tony, Rodney, Florio.


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[Assistant] Breakdown week four. They don't let you on there? No, I don't want to be there. Okay, I go. When we get done with the pregame show, I want to go home. Thank you. I've had enough of the week. And you're home in time for? I'm home in time where I'm, the game started, but I DVR'd it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's okay, don't worry. It's Mike Turrico. You can't ruin Mike Turrico. That's true. He is the godfather of NBC, okay? But, uh, he is available on YouTube, and always a good listen. Mike is all over the NFL, has little nuances that he has written down, watched as we watch the games together on Sunday, and you're always gonna get...


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[Assistant] Certainly, uh, put the bucks in the power position. Great first drive by the bucks. Okay, uhm, second drive.


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[Assistant] Guess who? Shaquille Barrett gets around the edge, knocks the ball in the air, Goff gets an interception, not Goff saw it, okay? The Bucks put a 50-yard drive together, score a touchdown, they go 14-0. Then Goff does throw a bad interception to Lamonte David, Bucks get like a 9-yard pass, 1.9-yard drive, they're up 21-0 before the game really even settled in. But it was impressive.


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[Assistant] That's how you slow down an over-aggressive pass rush. You wanna stop Dante Fowler and Aaron Donald from flying up the field, flying up the field, flying up the field.


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[Assistant] Screen to Godwin. Oh, screen to O.J. Howard. Screen to the running back. You know, that'll slow them down because once they see it once or twice and they see somebody, oh wait, somebody, oh okay, now let me go after it. So that, or, or you just get big plays out of it regardless and that's what they did. They capitalized. It was a brilliant game plan.


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[Assistant] By Byron Leffrich and Bruce Arians. It really was, and we'll get into some of the nuances of it. Go ahead, keep peppering me here.


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[Assistant] They did. They were smart. Well, so the big thing is, first off, if I just had to make one glance, the Rams defensive line had no chance to really ruin the game. And they usually ruin games. 56 and 99 will ruin just about any team in football.


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[Assistant] The Buccaneers not only pass protect, pass protected well, right? And yes, when Aaron Donald, you know, and, and by, you know, let's say Jameis Winston's in the shotgun and it backs to his left, alright? And you know, there's, there, you're the quarterback, so everybody put your eye, put yourself in Jameis Winston's shoes, okay?


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[Assistant] There's Aaron Donald over the left guard. He's on the edge of that outside shoulder of that left guard. Well, Ali Marpit, those guys, they could set inside and the back would kind of chip his outside shoulder. So it's almost like a double team, but not really a total double team. But Aaron Donald can see him. Therefore he doesn't have that outside move available there. That was very smart for one.


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[Assistant] Number two, hey, they just did a good job password-checking. I gotta give them credit, the, the Buccaneers O-line. But they're really, the credit goes to the offensive staff and slowing down Fowler and Donald, who have just about ruined everybody's game the first through three weeks. Right.


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[Assistant] This is where it was. Patience in the run game, one. You wanna stop an aggressive, you know, like we were talking about, pass rush, like, oh, we get up field, we get up field. Hey, run the ball, make them think about it.


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[Assistant] Tire them out. Oh gosh, it's a double team. All those things will wear you down for the pass rush. But the biggest thing, and I thought one of the best things the Bucs did, they did their best.


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[Assistant] The Rams, one of their greatest attributes is they want to really play like dime personnel. They want to put 6 DBs on the field or 5 DBs on the field and they want to like just use their speed and Wade Phillips creativity with coverage calls and things like that and they just make the game like a blur because the other teams like


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[Assistant] Holy shit, they're fast. They're everywhere. It's unbelievable. What do I do? Aaron Donalds on me, I throw a ball, and the guy, I mean the guy, as soon as he catches it, it's like pop, pop, pop, and he's down. Like everything is like, oh, we just made it out of that play. Well, the Buccaneer said, screw that game.


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[Assistant] Let's make them put some of these linebackers. Let's put Clay Matthews on the field. Let's make Aaron Donald stop the run game. You know, let's put, I can't remember their other middle linebackers name on the field. It's better than having to deal with, you know, all their multiple DBs and their team speed that way. So really within that,


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[Assistant] Yeah, Littleton, right. Thank you very much, Pete, in the control room. Uhm, really, within all that though.


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[Assistant] You know, it simplifies the, the, the defense a little bit because you gotta worry about the run game when a team has two tight ends in or three tight ends in or you know, they're basically going


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[Assistant] They had some times where they went 12, 12 personnel, one back, two tight ends and one of the tight end moves back to like a full back position. So they got some traditional run sets and they stayed patient with the run game. I know they didn't rush for a hundred yards. I don't give a shit. The real thing is,


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[Assistant] And that's attempts sometimes are more important than the actual yards. Because the attempts just keep everybody honest. And Jones got 70. He was still productive. He was effective, exactly right. But the big thing is, you have to slow down 56 and 99. And they did that. Let alone, Jameis Winston played awesome.


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[Assistant] I mean, he played awesome. Second week in a row, he's played awesome. This is what's crazy about Jameis Winston. You know, it really is because, you know, history has told us this week he will throw seven picks and we'll go, what the hell is wrong with Jameis Winston? I hope that doesn't happen.


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[Assistant] Really, the second half of the Panthers game, the Giants game last week, yesterday.


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[Assistant] This is why James Winston, and he's shown glimmers of this every year. He's shown three, four, five game stretches of doing this, where you go, this is why he was the number one pick. I mean, because he's fearless in the pocket and he's a pinpoint intermediate to deep ball thrower. And that's what he did yesterday. And the Rams who don't like to play man to man, they pay a lot of zone coverage. They just attack their zones, you know, like,


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[Assistant] Oh, like little, you know. The seams. Seams, right. Little 10 yard out routes by the slot or the tight end or, you know.


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[Assistant] Fake the straight seam route right up the middle and stop at like 12 yards and he'll put it on you. Just finding little gaps within the zone coverage and Winston with a strong arm and great anticipation and being fearless the way he is, he just tore them up with Chris Godwin.


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[Assistant] He's the unforgotten man. I mean, there was obvious, you know, when Mike Evans was split out by himself, they usually rolled a safety over the top of him, played a cover too.


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of room and favorable matchups with three receivers versus zone coverage on the other side. And Godwin's a hell of a football player. He is. This is the reason Deshaun Jackson, they don't, they didn't care about him being expendable and not being there. Yeah, he might not be the deep threat.


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[Assistant] But Godwin is great round runner, great with the ball in his hands as you saw yesterday. He can play physically, he can break tackles, run people over at the goal line.


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[Assistant] Really a awesome number two wide receiver.


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[Assistant] And when you have him and then a guy like O.J. Howard and Cameron Braight


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[Assistant] To work the other side opposite him in the slot or, you know, in the seams, like I'm saying, it's tough to cover, especially when you're a zone defense.


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[Assistant] Zone defense, just think about if you're a linebacker, right? It's zone defense, and oh, I'm kind of responsible for that tight end area, that scene tight end area that you're talking about. Oh, play action fake. Oh, I gotta, oh gosh, okay, no wait, he kept it, he kept it, and now you're getting back, and...


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[Assistant] You know, the tight end's seven yards behind you, and you don't know exactly where he is, and James Winston throws the hole, and that's, the Rams need to dabble in man to man a little bit more than they are. I think they're playing too much zone.


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[Assistant] Big story is great game plan by the Bucs. Did they get the short field? One time, yes. They just kept answering the bell. I think that's what I'm impressed by. And I really thought the, the, one of the, the big plays of the game for the Bucs and, and we'll move on to the other side of the ball is


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[Assistant] 2-10 left in the fourth quarter, the second 5-1. Nope, I'm gonna go to the Mike Evans. Okay, this is just, I thought this was peculiar. Uh, maybe that was it. Uh, 12-10, 12-10 in the fourth quarter. 12-10. Yeah, you might have the one missing there. It's down there, I think you were right. 2-10, you said 2-10 and it's 12-10 in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] And Rams go all out. Like, no safety in the middle of the field. Just three guys across the board.


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[Assistant] That was really the point where I went, oh my gosh, they got him. Because at 38.27 I was still going,


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[Assistant] The Rams are just going to keep coming. I don't know if they're ever going to stop them. But that was a huge play. Also, I want to give their kicker, Gay, okay, for the Buccaneers. Hit a huge, it was 28-20.


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[Assistant] The Rams were kind of rolling, and they're gonna have the short field coming off that miss, and you're gonna go, oh gosh, there was some big pressure. So that was a ballsy call by Bruce Arians, and a great kick by Gay. Uh, but Gay, 5th rounder out of...


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[Assistant] Utah. Is it Utah? That's what it was. I couldn't remember. Not a Utah. Yeah, I was, uh, it's as good as I've seen a team do. That's the last time we'll talk about a kicker. Yeah, okay, that's it. I will never do it. I'm sorry I did it. The hell with all of you. Uhm, but yeah, I just was really impressed by the, the game plan of the Bucks.


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[Assistant] The offensive line not letting Fowler and Aaron Donald ruin the football game. Jameis Winston and Godwin just tore their ass apart.


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[Assistant] Well, I think this will be something as a, a game plan going forward. I think you're gonna see teams do this. There are seconds to go, well, you know, why? Keep the base defense out there, run as much as they can. Let's slow them up, let's try to get Aaron Donald a little tired within the run game and make him defend that because what we talked to, well, you weren't here last week, but what we talked about with these- I'm always here in Spirit. Okay, good. Thank you, Spirit friend.


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[Assistant] The Sunday night football game Rams vs. Browns. The Browns played into their hands a lot of times. It was always spread out and yeaah, we're gonna throw and whatever else and then the Rams could just pin their ears back and go, okay, let's go get Baker. Let's get Baker.


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[Assistant] No, it's not gonna be the case. It's not. And this is why you watch the film. I mean, this really is, because TV can't tell you everything.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna apologize and start pro football talk tomorrow. Really? To say that I was a little, cause even today I was like, man Jared Goff just looked a little off and, you know, hey the offense looked off and I'm not sure if Jared Goff can carry them.


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[Assistant] It was one of the best games I've ever seen Jared Goff play. Wow. I mean, if not the best, I mean, yeaah. I-I-I feel really good in saying that. First off, the Ramso line got their ass whooped. I mean, whooped, okay? Uhm, Vitavia,


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[Assistant] And your force and fumbles and intercepting passes. Yeaah. I mean, he's been the most dominant defensive player I've seen in the sport till this point. I can't believe I'm saying that.


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[Assistant] I loved him when he was in Denver. I used to speak very highly of him on my old podcast.


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[Assistant] But I, I didn't expect this kind of super startup. He was unblockable in this game. He whooped the shit out of everybody on the Rams-D line. Every one of them. He took a turn on the Rams-O line. Up until the, up until the final play.


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[Assistant] Exactly right, right. I mean, he did so many good things. And let alone, like I said, the first interception by Goff, forced by Shaquille Barrett, hitting him as he throws, ball goes up in the air, interception. Uh, third interception by, uh, Jared Goff, it was a fourth and, fourth and two, okay? They're at the midfield line.


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[Assistant] The Rams mess up the pass protection, so somebody goes flying right up the middle. Jared Goff has to throw it, right? It's fourth and two. He's gotta try to make something happen. It's fourth and two.


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[Assistant] Well, they have a little pick play. It's a one, one route, one player design. There's nobody else to throw to. It's like a bunch, right? The two guys are gonna run straight, and the inside guy's gonna kinda come out of three yards, and you're just gonna try to get a cheap first down that way, right? Well, not only was the protection bad,


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[Assistant] Shaquille Barrett was on the end of the line of scrimmage there. He kind of busts up field, gets a hand on the ball, pops it in the air, interception. So forget about the sacks, the tip balls, it's all the other plays too. He was all over the quarterback. So the Bucks D line whooped the crash.


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[Assistant] Out of the Ram's O line, okay? For one. And that's why Todd Gurley had 16 yards, and Brown only had 14 yards, and they just had to hell with the run game, because they knew it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the game didn't dictate it because they got down, but even when they tried, there was nothing there. And let's not forget, they got back to 28-20, to where you can get back into the run game, and they weren't having it. That was not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] But the big thing is this, with Jared Goff, okay? Only one of the interceptions was his fault. He threw the one to Levante David. Levante David like made it look like he was in a blitz and then dropped out. Jared Goff was thrown a little under route.


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[Assistant] My point is this, he was under duress. He took a beating in the game. I mean a beating. He got hit a lot.


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[Assistant] Where, I mean, and I'm not just saying like, oh, the guy's wide open five yards over the middle of the field, and he got hit, and then the guy ran for 15 yards, and I know you said like the bombs weren't there and everything, but there was a lot of 15 yard outs, 12 yard outs, 20 yard routes, into like,


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[Assistant] They didn't give a whole lot of deep shots. Now they had two chances, when they were down 21-17 at one point, he had a guy down the right sideline, he missed him, they ended up settling for a field low. Okay? The very next drive, now it's 31-20, he missed a deep post for a touchdown too.


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[Assistant] Now, when you throw the ball 68 times, you're gonna miss some throws.


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[Assistant] You know, again, so I don't look at it and go, oh, how could he miss those? I mean, how could he do that? There's guys all over football yesterday that won football games that missed throws like that, okay? And it's a lot easier said than done when you're getting your ass beat into the ground all game long.


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[Assistant] You know, sometimes, oh, there's a deep post and, you know, you get it out of your hand just a hair quick because your people have been around you all game and you see them and you rush and oh, let me get it out because I got them. Oh, I missed them. How did I miss them? Well, you missed them because your timing clock is off because you've had to throw it quicker. So again, I'm not saying it was perfect.


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[Assistant] But I think it's encouraging. Cause one of my issues with Jared Goff is that


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[Assistant] I don't know if he can carry the team. Like a franchise number one pick, $34 million a year kid. I saw things yesterday where I go, damn, he might be turning the corner and maybe he can carry the team. So kudos to Jared Goff and company. I was really impressed with what I saw.


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[Assistant] He does. Exactly right. And there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, hey, Tom Brady gets a lot of silver platter throws too. And a lot of other great quarterbacks do. There's nothing wrong with that. But yeah, I mean, Sean McVeigh is like, was the king early on in Jared Goff's career of like, hey, here's a 20 yard completion. It's coming to you in a silver platter. If you can just put it in the area, he'll catch it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but it's these kind of moments that make me feel good about a franchise type quarterback.


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[Assistant] The Rams got their ass beat up front. That was the issue of the game for the Rams off on the side of the line. And the Bucs had a lot to do with that. They did. The Bucs, the Bucs brought it. And the Bucs could very easily be 3-1 if they didn't mess up a field goal during the last week.


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[Assistant] They're dangerous. They are dangerous. Yes, they are. And if, if Aarons can stay a little patient with that run game and Jameis can like stay off of Tropic Thunderville, right? Yeah. Uhm, then they do have a chance because their D-line is not going to be pushed around by many teams, by no team in football. Uh, and Todd Bowles is a hell of a defender.


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[Assistant] Cause my headline was, I told you so. There it is. I mean, thank you.


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, this is- Nick Chubb is good. Nick Chubb is good.


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[Assistant] The Browns online, they're best at run blocking. The success of the Browns at the end of last year was all through their run game.


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[Assistant] Baker Mayfield was underneath the center a lot yesterday. All the things I've been saying, come on Cleveland, let's get back to what made us good, let's not get too enamored with just the fact that we got Odell and passing weapons and just go,


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[Assistant] Right, I don't think Odell's gonna get mad. I don't. They're gonna find ways to feed him and figure that whole thing out.


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[Assistant] Odell's had a lot of attention on him the first three games. I mean, teams are trying to stop Odell, and I'm sure Baltimore did.


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[Assistant] Uh, too, and it looked like Marlon Humphrey could have got arrested, you know, for, for like assault and battery a few times yesterday when I saw some of the, some of the clips I saw. Uhm, but yea, just a real, the Browns defense is good. No one's giving credit to the Browns defense because of the stars on the offense.


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[Assistant] Steve Wilkes is phenomenal, their D-line's good, and they play smart coverages behind it.


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[Assistant] And when the Browns can run the football like this, because they're not a great pass-protecting goal, as you've heard me say, you know, this gives their O-line a chance, just like we were talking about with the Bucks, or against the Rams.


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[Assistant] You know, you play a good defensive line like the Ravens, when you're coming down hill all game long, run, run, run, run, the defensive coordinator gets scared to blitz because he goes, man, if we have one guy get off the wrong gap, it's gonna get, we're gonna get gashed.


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[Assistant] And it just, uh, was a really good performance by the Browns altogether. Baker Mayfield was better. Better in the pocket. Definitely not as jumpy. I mean, he had moments of, oh jumpy, I want to leave the pocket. But then he like, he was like, oh wait, my coach told me not to.


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[Assistant] I'm not a big fan of white linebackers, okay? I get that. When you're white and you're playing middle linebacker, you gotta prove a little extra to me, okay? Luke Keakley's good. Okay, look, he gets in my ear and goes, Luke Keakley? Oh, there's one in all 32 teams you brought out, huh? Okay.


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[Assistant] Yes, he's not quite in their territory yet. 17. But, I like that you said that. And the Browns linebackers, even though they're not stars, they're good at everything. They're good at the run, they're athletic against the pass, and they give them a fighting chance, no doubt about it. Just a great win for the Browns, answering the critics and all the bullcrap.


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[Assistant] But I like your holy secondary to both secondaries, cause you're right. I wanted to talk about the New England Patriots because of the interceptions and they're so phenomenal that way. But damn, the Bills, Sean McDermott, nobody knows how to defend New England and Josh McDaniel's offense better than Sean McDermott.


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[Assistant] No, no, and they made him uncomfortable last year. You know, remember last year though, the Bills just had no offense whatsoever, so their defense was constantly in bad positions and the Patriots would finally just wear them out.


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[Assistant] I mean, hey, Josh Allen was an issue yesterday. We gotta like rear it in, big guy.


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[Assistant] Well, we gotta rear it in one for your- for your-


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[Assistant] Physical safety, okay? Like, it's a little of the Sean Watson sometimes, where it's like, every play is the last play of the game, and...


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[Assistant] Gosh, it's just, he takes so many big hits and he never dies in the pocket. He's got people hanging on him. He's still trying to throw it. But the interceptions are inexcusable. There's nothing I can say in defense of it. And this is the bad of Josh Allen right now. He can do a lot of really awesome great stuff where you go, man, this guy is so fun to watch. But in a game like this,


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[Assistant] When you know your defense has the beat on an offense, you gotta rein it in, big guy. You gotta rein it in. He did not rein it in. He put them in a lot of tough spots.


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[Assistant] But they hung in there, uh, to their credit, the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills, they're not going anywhere. I really feel confident that they're going to be in this playoff conversation through and through, all the way to the end of December. But, again, another team, New England.


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[Assistant] I know all we want to talk about is Brady and Belichick, Brady and Belichick. Okay, well Belichick deserves some credit because he is like basically saying


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[Assistant] I'm still the man. I'm still the man, okay. Don't forget that. I am thy teacher. Uh, and yeah, what they're doing on the defensive side of the ball is phenomenal. The different packages they bring up front, the coverage, all of that. But I had a fun, that was a fun game.


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[Assistant] I was disappointed I didn't see the dildo. You're like, yea, did it happen? No, not that I know of. I mean, I always like to see the dildo in that game. It didn't happen. Disappointing, but that was it. Maybe it got confiscated. Maybe the technology.


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[Assistant] Without a doubt they are and they are literally number one and number two in football right now. And last year,


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[Assistant] You know, just so people know, Buffalo's defense was number two in football last year. It was, it's been good. And we know the Patriots defense statistically yards-wise wasn't great last year, but they're always good as far as points scored. This year, they're just plain old dominant across the board, and it's amazing to see.


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[Assistant] No, I mean this is strike 79. I mean, of course, you deserve to be suspended for the year.


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[Assistant] You know, again, okay, so the Josh Allen hit, right? Yeah. I don't think it was dirty.


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[Assistant] This is maybe he launched, I don't know. Jonathan Jones has got a 240 pound quarterback running at him full speed. He's kind of bracing himself for contact. Then Josh Allen gets hit from behind as he's kind of loading up the hit.


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[Assistant] It's not always football. It's WWF and WWE sometimes. You got a guy on the ground getting, you don't need to run full speed and launch at his head and try to like knock his head off that way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he deserves to be out for the year. I'm sorry, but that's just, uh, the facts. And when you're on strike 79, that's what happens.


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[Assistant] No, they gotta find a way to generate some down the field passing in Oakland. That's their biggest issue. But where Grudenpult proved his worth, the first drive of the game,


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[Assistant] Which is all Gruden. That's your first 10, your first 12, your first 15. I mean, these are plays that Gruden...


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[Assistant] And I don't think they'll be able to make these adjustments on the first drive. They might adjust after that, but we're going to get them right now early on. And that's where he was phenomenal. Then they get the ball back, and he has a little trick play to Trevor Davis, where they kind of fake the toss to the right. Trevor Davis, yeaah, yeaah. And reverse and run, and around, right.


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[Assistant] There's a weapon. He certainly has the capabilities of being a downfield threat. He did that a little bit with the Green Bay Packers. So, uh, yeaah, hopefully that can be the case. But, you know, I just thought Gruden, he again, I did not think the Raiders defense would be able to hang in there. I think that's where I was shocked.


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[Assistant] Was built in Indianapolis at O-Line, especially after the way the Vikings ran the ball in Oakland last week. I thought they would just smash this Raider front. They played really well up front, and Gruden stayed patient with the run on his side of the football, and Derek Card never made a big mistake or did anything like that, managed the game properly, and they came out with a win.


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[Assistant] And then, and then the big play was the safety Eric Harris. Because the game was very much in doubt. I was going, oh god, the Colts are going to come back. Like they always do. They're the Colts. And, uh, Eric Harris kind of, you know, undercutting, I think it was like a post or a slant route and pick six. That really put the dagger in the Colts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so too. I think he, I think he, I think Berset was fooled, and if I'm remembering this play correctly, he was kind of following an inside receiver and fell off and got underneath the outside receiver, right? Yeah, and uh, yeah, that was a good heads up play by him.


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[Assistant] Holy shit, it's hockey season. And I don't, I mean it's unreal. I got so much respect for these damn guys. I feel like they play all year long. They play in so many games. They kill each other. They're missing teeth and pieces of their face and they still keep playing.


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[Assistant] Hey, opening night, this Wednesday. The blues are raising the banner for the first time ever. Verse the caps, okay? And then the sharks are in Vegas for a nightcaper. Nothing like a nightcaper in Vegas, baby. Vegas, baby.


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[Assistant] You know, a little Nightcapper there, but that'll be a good one. Sharks, Vegas, they've been in playoff teams. All your rocks.


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[Assistant] Oh, yup, there he is. Oh, Mark Villotti, one of the NHL producers, he hears me doing the read. Uhm, yup, I'm gonna tell him to put you to work more here, okay? But rumors about an NHL podcast coming soon. Yes.


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[Assistant] I love him. Andy Reid is the best. Like one of my favorite- I'm rooting for the Chiefs really because of him more than anything. And the quote's not right. The quote's not quite right, right? Well no. Which I honestly- Well I mean Mozart's art doesn't sell for good. Da Vinci's songs don't sell very well either.


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[Assistant] You got anything there that you want to pepper me with there, first off?


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[Assistant] It's a few things, and just in my opinion from what I saw in film and my notes, okay, one, I think Mahomes was a little off yesterday. He missed a few throws, like, you know.


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[Assistant] Oh, there's a deep cross for a 25-yard gain, and he, oh, it's just off the fingertips, or, you know, just missed a few plays like that. He was playing in a dome for the first time, it freaked him out having a roof. Like, yeaah, he's like, what the hell is this thing? I don't like roofs. You can't contain this air show. Where's the sun? Uh, so, I think he was a little off, for one. Okay, uh, I think that,


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[Assistant] The lion's game plan might have caught the chiefs off guard a little bit. Okay, awesome. And I say that because...


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[Assistant] I felt like I saw a lot of repeat concepts from the Kansas City Chiefs, which you don't see a whole lot. I saw a few plays where I could say, I saw this play like five times already. I saw this play four or five times already. Uhm, I don't think they expected to get the plan of attack that the Lions threw at them that way.


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[Assistant] You know, there's, here's, you know, Travis Kelsey's lined up to the right. He might not be at the traditional, like, put your hand down on the, on the, on the ground, but he's just like a yard away from the tackle or two yards standing up like a receiver. The defense end would hit him, right, before he rushes.


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[Assistant] Things like that. That's what they do. Uhm, combination coverages. But I think the big thing that might have caught Kansas City by surprise, and this caught me by surprise when I turned on the film too.


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[Assistant] They played man in my account every play of the game except for one.


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[Assistant] Man-to-man coverage every freakin' play. Now, with some of those two-man, and for all those out there going, what the hell is two-man? Two safeties deep, five man-to-mans underneath, which allows you to squat on shorter routes, right? Cause you got two people behind you, so you can be aggressive on the short stuff, but,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna do a variety of man to man coverages. So they threw a lot of coverages at them, but they were all man to man based. It was one robber. It was one rat. It was one funnel. It was, uh, what else am I missing? Uhm, two man, as I said, which is


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm missing one other coverage I wanted to say. I mean, they mixed up their fronts and their looks and how they were doing it. They played two man with a three man rush and then would double people. You know, uh, they did a lot of different things. They did one play of what I saw Belichick and company do against


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[Assistant] Uh, Kansas City in the AFC Championship game, which was, was basically no, there was a safety in the middle of the field, but he was doubling Travis Kelsey and then everybody else was playing man to man. Ahmed, they're playing man to man, okay, and everybody's man across the board.


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[Assistant] Uh, strong safeties, man on Travis Kelsey, and you go, wait, who's gonna cover the backs? And there's 5D Lyman down. And whatever way the back went, that defense end took the back. And then the other one knew he could rush to create the fourth one. Oh, the back went the other way? Okay, I'm this DN. I'll take the back. Now you can rush. Just a lot of stuff like that.


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[Assistant] The big thing is uhm, I just couldn't get over how well they covered them regardless. I mean,


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[Assistant] Those two stood out. Justin Coleman, first off.


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[Assistant] He really made life hard on Sammy Watkins. Okay? And I think this, this is like,


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[Assistant] You know, two things. Justin Coleman's a really good football player, so that's the first thing I want to say. I mean, he's maybe better than I gave him credit for. And that's why Patricia brought him there, because Patricia had him in New England, and then he went to Seattle, and then he came to Detroit. So he's got, he's got knowledge of them. But I was just really impressed with his man-to-man ability to stay with Sammy Watkins.


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[Assistant] And all of them were punching the ball out. It seems like him included. Yea, he punched Sammy Watkins out one time too. And all of the things I'll say too is it proved to me that Sammy Watkins is not in the class of Julios or Tyreex or Odell's or you know, whoever else is those. Mike Evans, he's not that class of the receiver.


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[Assistant] You couldn't get away with playing those guys the way they played Sammy Watkins, okay? Sammy Watkins is really good. I think what I would chalk Sammy Watkins up to though at this point of his career is a really low end number one or a great number two, okay? He's not really like a game breaker number one wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Really impressed with him. You said number, uh, 27. Justin Coleman. No, not number 27, 21. Excuse me. Tracy Walker. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've been playing free safety for them. He did a really good job in man-to-man situations against Travis Kelsey.


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[Assistant] Where Patricia's brilliant, just like I talk about with McDermott. Like McDermott can play these zone defenses. He can play cover four, but he'll tweak the rules of cover four according to the game plan on a week to week basis, right? To where it's always zone.


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[Assistant] But McDermott, you just go like, damn, everybody always seems to be dropped out right where the quarterback's trying to throw the ball. Which is great breakdowns. Well, what New England and Patricia do, because he's from New England,


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[Assistant] They like to play man, and they like to play man a lot. And what he does is he breaks it down to where, yeaah, they gotta play man, but they're really well coached on the route combination.


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[Assistant] When they line up, and let's just say it's two tight ends to the left and two receivers to the right, like right away, the corners who are covering those two receivers to the right, they have like a dictionary of things the coach told them all week.


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[Assistant] When the outside receiver goes straight, okay, that means the slot either goes on a 5 yard out or a 12 yard out. So they have these plays to be ready for that give them an advantage to be all over guys and man-to-man coverage on it. And that's where it was really awesome altogether.


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[Assistant] That would be, it would have been very dangerous if Tyreek Hills hadn't. They didn't have Daria Slay either, so that could have made things interesting. True, equals a doubt. Yea, but I don't know if you can ever really play Tyreek Hills.


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[Assistant] For New England in the AFC Championship game, when they play them there, okay, I'm putting them in the AFC Championship game against Germany, okay. They got the automatic buy. With that secondary, and Belichick's wrinkles, he'll throw out of you. You gotta have something like that. The, the, the biggest thing that I took away, the


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[Assistant] The Chiefs need more pick plays, right? They can't let people play them man to man like this. They gotta find ways to not only pick on the outside, more rubs and picks on the inside. There's a million ways to do it. They gotta improve that aspect altogether.


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[Assistant] And what's wrong with playing one on one ball outside? That's the other thing I look at them and go, man, you got one of the greatest throwers ever. How come Sammy Watkins, we can't just run a go, a comeback, an out route, a comeback, another go.


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[Assistant] Fake the out route and go. You know what I mean? Things like that. You can work a one on one game. Exactly right. Sometimes you gotta do that. Like you saw Aaron Rodgers on Thursday night. Devon Day Adams. Oh, it's one on one? Hey, f*** the rest of you guys. I'm gonna work him because I know he'll beat his guy and I'll throw strikes to him all day. I think they need to incorporate a little of that in their


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[Assistant] It is exactly what happened. It's a three man rush, okay? They're trying to stop all the weapons in the past game, which they've been phenomenal all game long. Uhm, but yea, three man rush, they're playing two man, two safeties deep, man to man underneath. They're trying to double Travis Kelsey.


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[Assistant] Well, when you rush three, it's fourth and eight, the red seed parted, Mahomes saw it and he ran and got the first down. The very next play, okay? It's a three man rush once again.


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[Assistant] Now they're playing one robber. And for everybody willing, what the hell is one robber, okay? One robber is man to man across the board.


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[Assistant] One safety is deep and the other safety is in the middle trying to rob a play, right? He's trying to rob a crosser, rob anything like that. I'm just kind of playing the eyes of the quarterback and when I see him I'm going to try to rob the pass, right? That's what a rob, robber is, okay? So that's what he's trying to do there. They're doing that.


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[Assistant] The defense and one of the three rushers also jams Kelsey and then rushes. Kelsey gives up.


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[Assistant] He gives up. He just goes, shit, I can't run my route. I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna stand here. And he literally just stands there. He's supposed to run a shallow cross. He just stands there. Mahomes buys a little time, and as he's buying times, the guys covering Kelsey look at Mahomes, and they leave Kelsey.


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[Assistant] And then Mahomes gets back to him and throws to him. And that was really all it was. And then he got out of bounds and of course that set up the drive. That really were the two big plays of that drive that helped them win the football game.


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[Assistant] I don't know. It might be too dangerous, but. Yeah, that's really all it comes down to. There is probably opportunities. It's just like, coaches are scared. I mean, the laterals cool. That was amazing. Those are two legends. I mean, those are two guys that are going to the Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] Easy for them. That's why they're relaxed and always having a good time. Lashawn, Mahomes, Kelsey. So, you know, Mahomes has made them ballers and it's just kind of all filtered throughout the team. But you're right. But what you're scared of is...


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[Assistant] You know, the University of Texas won a national championship because Reggie Bush tried to do that shit. Yeaah. They were gonna have to blow us out of the Rose Bowl. Yeaah. We're about to go down 21-0 and he tried to pitch it and we got the ball and the game was never the same. Yeaah. So that's what scares coaches, that shit.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's really played pretty damn good the whole year. And, uh, this is still an offense that I think is kind of finding its way. But, hey, they're running the football. Their O-line has potential to be.


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[Assistant] Like, good, special good. I really think it does. I mean, they got everything you need there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, Daryl Bevel, you know, a guy that I used to criticize in Seattle a little bit. His running game is a little more diverse. His passing game.


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[Assistant] Uh, unlucky too. I mean, but either way, those were, that was a huge turning point in the game. They were controlling the flow of the game and really had the Chiefs on their ropes and kind of let them off the hook there.