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[Assistant] Uh, they pick at 115 and I would be thrilled if they got him there. Alright, we are going to cover the safeties now and look, this is not a very deep safety draft.


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[Assistant] Uh, and again, you know, we talked about the linebackers and maybe teams aren't valuing them as high as they should. But I think the other problem with the safeties besides that, it feels like safeties are just not valued as much as they used to be is that you have so many guys out there that you can sign up for the agency. So I mean, Justin Simmons is still out there. Yeah. Adam will out there.


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[Assistant] Uh, so what is your take on the safeties? I guess we'll start with Tyler Nubin from Minnesota.


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[Assistant] Now there aren't a ton of highly rated safeties, really first round safeties out there. It'll be surprising if we see any. What teams do you think will look to target safeties? Obviously you mentioned the commanders.


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[Assistant] The Falcons, I think we could probably throw the Bills in there. They lost a couple safeties. Uh, anybody else you think we should look for that, that could go safety hunting in the second or third round?


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[Assistant] Maybe a little inside information. Now, guess what dudes, we're going to your favorite position, Harry.


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[Assistant] And you know what? I know you were saying, look, it's kicker's breach. You just do it, but I'm going to give you the first one because you already have a team ready and everybody's seen him kick because he's been on the national stage for so long. And that is Will Reichardt. Uh, where would you like to see him end up dudes?


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this. What did you, like, what was your mental feeling toward kickers when you played? Were you, did you ever even talk to your kicker? Did you even know who your kicker was?


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[Assistant] Uh, and he's still, he's still thriving. He's still kicking it away. He is just sticking around.


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[Assistant] I don't think we'll see more than three kickers taken. We saw three last year. That's kind of been the sweet spot. There's never been more than three over the past 10 years.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I'll just go real quickly over probably the three best kickers in the draft. We just mentioned Will Reichardt and I think the Patriots would make a lot of sense. I have them going to the Rams only because I think the Rams are the most kicker needy team right now. And I think they would be the most likely to spend a high draft pick, maybe fourth round.


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[Assistant] Uh, on a kicker, cause that's what you do when you are desperate. Cam Little from Arkansas.


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[Assistant] I'm sure everybody's reading the headlines from the UFL about Jake Bates, the guy who can kick 60 yard field goals like they're nothing, made a 64 yarder in week one, made a 62 yarder in week two.


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[Assistant] Well, he went to Arkansas, and the reason he didn't win the kicking job is because he was playing behind Cam Little, uh, which tells you about how good Cam Little is. I have him going to the Patriots, um, but I do think if Rikard fell to the sixth or seventh round,


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[Assistant] The Lions have Michael Badgley. I don't think they're thrilled with their kicking situation though. So I do think they will have some competition. Uh, when we get to training camp, Deuce, did you want to toss in anything else about kickers?


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[Assistant] What, what is up with everybody, uh, bowing out? Well, my god, Breach comes on here. That's kind of messed up. Unfortunately, me and Breach have not been able to work together yet on this pod, uh, specifically. I think we did one thing in Vegas together doing Super Bowl, but it's good to have you on Tuesdays. Breach, how you doing?


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[Assistant] Well first and foremost, Brandon and I need to be signed to an extensionless preference by saying that sometimes the most important thing a team can do


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[Assistant] Goodness, the funny thing is, we were doing the post-game show, I believe it was me, Musso, and Danny Kanell, and the odds came out right after the Super Bowl, and I was like, the Chiefs gotta be favorite, right? They were like, actually no, it's the 49ers! I'm like, what else is Patrick?


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[Assistant] Uh, a guy, Byron Murphy makes a lot of sense. I think they picked pick number 19. Uh, again, you don't expect him to be Aaron Donald, but he has some of those.


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[Assistant] Some of those features that Aaron Donald has as far as the quick twitch, right? The explosive ability, the internal pass rush, which quarterbacks really hate. I think Edge too. Byron Young was a surprise for a lot of people last year. I believe he had eight and a half sacks.


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[Assistant] Like you said, Breeze, they have so many, uh, issues, not issues, but they have so many needs on their team, right? I think Marvin Harrison Jr. makes a lot of sense. And then after that, I would not be surprised if they just go best player available throughout the rest of the draft.


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[Assistant] Well, there's so much to dig into when you look at the Dallas Cowboys, cause you gotta go back to Jerry's remarks, pre-playoff last year, and he said, this team will only go as far as Dak Prescott takes us, right?


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[Assistant] I think it has to be the secondary. When you look at the secondary, James Bradbury and also Big Place Slayer getting up there in age, right? I think you need to attack the secondary. And they did, you know, went and signed CJ Gardner Johnson, right? I think they just gave Reed Blankenship some type of extension as well.


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[Assistant] The Giants rash is doing extensive homework on all the quarterbacks in this draft and they're in the prime spot at number six to potentially take one of the top five guys. And I say five because Michael Pennix Jr. has picked up steam. He's my quarterback three actually in this draft. I think everybody's biggest question for him.


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[Assistant] You know, free agent, I want to say free, big trade acquisition for them to really help on the edge and him and Dexter Lawrence, that's going to be fun football to actually watch. So, um, I mean, safety is another position they could attack as well because they did lose Xavier McKinney as well.


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[Assistant] Same situation. He inherited Daniel Jones. He didn't pick Daniel Jones. Ryan Dable didn't pick Daniel Jones. So is this a scenario where they like, we've been with this guy two years, we've seen what we need to see, I think we, if we have a chance to take a franchise guy and have him sit for a year, why not do that now again?


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[Assistant] I think Caleb, to me, not Caleb, Jaden is the most dynamic quarterback when you talk about how explosive he is as a runner. And to me, he has the most calming presence in the pocket, which is where for a guy that has that type of ability running the football, I think he does mechanically


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[Assistant] Yeah, Bridget did a lot of business with some homegrown players. We talk about Mike Evans and then Baker Mayfield who wasn't homegrown but kind of embodied what the Bucks were trying to be going forward. And then they also franchise tagged Antoine Winfield Jr. When you look at this team,


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[Assistant] I said the Saints, cause like they're always in cat purgatory and there's no way you see what the Bucks and the Falcons did and even the Panthers and just stay packed with your team thinking that you're going to make a run.


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[Assistant] Last year, but they need to pair him with somebody on the opposite side. D-line could be Grady Jerich getting up there in age, David Anyamata getting up there in age. They could potentially take that, or even corner, right? You need somebody opposite of AJ Terrell. Kirk Phillips can play in the slot, but I think you need another corner.


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[Assistant] And then I would say receiver, but the Randall Moore, you know, trade kind of solidify that with Darnell Mooney as well. I mean, you know, you still have Drake London at receiver as well. So to me, that biggest thing is edge definite, especially with Raheem Morris defense. You need somebody that can create havoc off the edge.


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[Assistant] It's been a respectable offseason for them. Cause you go from losing Brian Burns, which...


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[Assistant] Wow, now this is a process with, uh, with, with, with Mr. Canales. This is with Dave Canales. It's gonna take, it's gonna take, uh, take a while to build this thing the, the right way. Uhm, even though they did bring in some, some quality players, right? It's all about meshing and gelling. It's gonna take,


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[Assistant] But I think corner, you know, they needed to pair somebody with Byron Murphy for sure. And edge can be a position, right? They lost both of their edge players from last year. Daniel Hunter left and also, uh, DJ Wannum.


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[Assistant] Knowing his history with Brian Flores, where does he play him? Does he play him at the outside and in the inside linebacker? Uh, that's the flexibility he gives you. And they did sign Aaron Jones, who was released from the Green Bay Packers. So they kind of shirred up the running back spot. So I think to me is quarterback, corner, edge, and then maybe interior offensive line.


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[Assistant] Justin Fields, I think their next biggest need is Edge. I mean, they need somebody to pair with Montez Sweat. We saw Bruce's defense take off when they made that trade for Montez Sweat. Matter of fact,


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[Assistant] NFC teams, if you're listening, me and Breach just laid out the blueprint for you.


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[Assistant] It's a crow's nest cup, it's just water. Crow's nest cup. Only because I love this cup and I like to take them home with me.


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[Assistant] I mean it delivered as you just pointed out that Leda Bard is pretty impressive. I think you and I sat and watched it all day long and it just kept getting better as the day went by. There was a moment earlier in the day


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[Assistant] I think when, I think Patrick Reed was close, Burt Skefka was making his run, and I saw your eyes light up. The agent of chaos just came alive, cause you were like, oh, you num num num, just give me all of it.


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[Assistant] No, no, and I want to talk about all the leaders. Certainly Victor Hovland fascinates me because he had some unbelievable chips today. And as, as you and I have probably discussed numerous times on this podcast that we don't believe that's the strongest part of his game. So I, you have to be just a monsoon of respect for him.


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[Assistant] Before we move on though, and here's what I don't understand, and this is going to be being a prisoner of the moment, this is going to be filled with hyperbole, however, I would make an argument that this was probably the most important round of Rory McIlroy's career when you consider that he's only missing the green jacket from the Grand Slam. Most important round of his career! And the only reason he's missing that green jacket is because


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[Assistant] He's won an open, I don't believe that. This is, this is the one that- This is the opening round!


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[Assistant] Again, uh, hyperbole, I'm guilty of it. Prison of the moment, I'm guilty of it. However, how do you stick an earbud in your ear?


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[Assistant] Uh, he doesn't, but he has a relationship with the game. And I think the way Max described it is Augusta National asked when Augusta National asked, and Max Homa was the other one that did a walk and talk today during the round, you do what Augusta National wants. And I would imagine it was very, very similar for Rory. I understand all those things, but man, couldn't you have asked like, hey,


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[Assistant] I sat here in Gus for the last three days talking about, oh, he's in a better headspace and.


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[Assistant] Coming into this event, it seems like this is as free as he's ever been and this is still a hurdle. He knows what's up for grabs. It's been a long time. We know the history that he is eight years now since his last major victory and that is not a good stat when it comes to trying to create the.


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[Assistant] Uh, complete the career of Brand Slam. And you're, you're, the way you get ready for that is you pop an earbud in, walking down the ninth fairway in the middle of a crucial round. Like I really had a hard time wrapping my mind around that.


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[Assistant] Alright, so it's an 88 man field, 86 man field after the withdrawals today. So it's a very small sliver, you're starting to deal with percentages here, and I do believe that if you shoot something, you know, let's say you shoot one or two under par, I do think he makes the cut.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, he's right there on the edge. He needs a decent round. I will say this.


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[Assistant] And I, we kind of brought this up tonight on LiveFrom.


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[Assistant] It's painful to watch him hit some shots around this golf course. And I'm sure we addressed this last year. Of all the places he can play, this is the Grand Slam challenge that's going to be the hardest for him going forward. And I'm sure in his mind, mentally, he thinks to himself, it's Augusta National, I'm a five-time winner, I've done


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[Assistant] Special and, and magnificent things on that golf course, I can continue to do that. But given his physical limitations now.


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[Assistant] And the way he limps around the golf course, you and I watched him hit a shot today where I thought he might go down in a heap.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's painful to watch. It's worrying to watch, to be honest with you. And we go back to the idea that if he's on a flat lie and he doesn't have to walk, man, he still has the power and it's still a work of art and he's still fun to watch.


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[Assistant] I feel like we've completely buried the lead. And look, I wanted to get to Rory, you wanted to get to Tiger. John Rahm 4-putted the first hole. And he went on to play and made 9 more


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[Assistant] But in that look, that's impressive and it's John Rahm being John Rahm and I don't think either one of us are particularly surprised because we knew it was going to come down to the big three this week, just the way they've been playing. What shocks me, what surprises me, which is, you know, this is what's going to be the winner of the day for me. The fact he foreputted the first hole, it didn't snap the putter. Or someone around him. Or snap.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah. Because, I mean, look, he can get mad. We've talked about the big bear before, and he can run a little bit hot. He four-putts the first hole, and to his credit, in his post-round interview, he said, well, if you're gonna do that, the first hole is probably the one to do it, because you've got 71 now to make up the difference, which is an amazingly insightful and refreshing


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[Assistant] But the fact he was able to get to the second tee without breaking some serious plates was just amazing to me.


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[Assistant] In a weird way, it's gotta be Brooks. I just looked it up, just had a curiosity, just when you mentioned strokes gain and they don't do strokes gain, but greens in regulation, John Rahm missed just one green. So 90. I know I said that.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's amazing to me. I mean, when you consider- Clinic. What screen did he miss? Uhm. Well, I'm not trying to put you on the spot here, I'm just curious, like,


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[Assistant] Uh, it would have to be Brooks, simply because this goes back to what you and I talked about earlier in the week. It was impossible, at least in my mind, to handicap the field. I'll give you credit, like it apparently wasn't impossible in your mind, because you


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[Assistant] Pig Brooks, is your player to watch early Thursday morning?


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[Assistant] And I don't want to read too much into this because again, it's very, very difficult to gauge.


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[Assistant] The players you're playing on live. He wins last week at Orange County National and you can, we can talk in circles about this. It was 54 holes, shotgun start, team concept, whatever it is you want to do. That's not my hang up with this. My hang up with this is I have a hard time quantifying it the way we have historically done it.


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[Assistant] The way we have done it with Shotlink stats and Strokes Gain and all the information we have available to us now.


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[Assistant] We don't have that information available to us now on lip golf. And look, maybe that's me being short-sighted. That's us being short-sighted because we're not being able to dig in. I think the assumption is easy to make. It's easy to make the leap that, oh, he's playing against inferior competition.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that this proves otherwise, because he could go on and struggle the rest of the week and not be a factor at all come Sunday afternoon. But to your point,


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[Assistant] If he does, find a way to flip that switch to become that major monster.


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[Assistant] We were having essentially the same conversation. I was telling him like the struggles that I was having sort of trying to figure out how the live guys slotted in. And I said one of the things that everyone wanted to point out, well, you don't play the same schedule now.


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[Assistant] Leading up to the masters and the other majors. And Bob pointed out that that was probably a good thing.


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[Assistant] He essentially was kind of off and he got healthy an


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[Assistant] Generated. I mean, we had an issue with Ricky Elliott, which Augusta National looked at and decided there was no violation whatsoever. There was something that happened with Colin Morikawa that apparently didn't happen, that it was a bit of an editing thing. I've never been involved with a major where there were so many things that happened on day one that


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, absolutely. I mean, it's a testament to where we are as, as certainly a media, but maybe as a society. I, I'll give you that simply because, and look, you and I got caught up with it probably just like everyone else. We're in, in the middle of it and we're, we're watching social media like everyone else and, oh look, Ricky Elliott apparently said five iron.


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[Assistant] And he was motioning towards Gary Woodland's caddy at the time. It was funny because I was trying to, uh, my, uh, our bosses at Golf Channel wanted me to.


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[Assistant] Find out exactly what the rule was and what the punishment


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[Assistant] It is, so it's ruled at 10.2, it's advice essentially is what it is. And it would have been a two shot penalty for Brooks because his caddy Ricky Elliott.


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[Assistant] If his man's hitting a three, uh, an eight iron, he will flash the, the eight iron symbol, which is three fingers.


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[Assistant] In this particular case, he felt like he was doing the exact same thing, that Ricky was telling someone it was a five iron, but he was 100% positive he wasn't telling Gary Woodland's caddy it was a five iron.


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[Assistant] Because you're so good at rapping when the producer tells you to rap, because that's your forte.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I felt like it needed to be addressed. Uh, a couple things. One, I mean, of course, Brooks Koepka is going to be the conversation because look, whether or not if Sergio Garcia likes it or not, it is part of the narrative this week and it's a huge part of the narrative. So I


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[Assistant] Uh, so that would be one. The other, you know, there's Rory Regal. I mean, he needs something clearly in the mid-sixties to have any chance at all tomorrow. So that's what I'm watching. What are you watching?


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[Assistant] Clearly the Bulldogs, clearly that's what I spent the last two days thinking about, pining about, thinking, uh, can they actually beat TCU? Cause I'm not 100% sure they can, and that is...


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[Assistant] That I know. I don't gamble. I'm not very good at it. I don't like to lose money. However, in that particular case, how would anyone not be like, hm.


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[Assistant] I don't see that. Not after watching what TCU did. I mean to Michigan. And look, you can say whatever you want about Michigan.


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[Assistant] I know! Michigan was gonna Michigan them. They were gonna be stronger, they were gonna be bigger, they were gonna be faster, and none of that happened. Watching TCU against Michigan and then watching how much Georgia struggled against Ohio State. That, my friend, you wearing the jersey after the semi-final game is a dangerous game.


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[Assistant] Insufferable in one world series. And it seems to me that's what's happening here with the Georgia folk. And look, like, I think I sent you a text. Good luck to all my Georgia friends out there. Nope, never got that. I like the team. Never got it.


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[Assistant] Yes, maybe that was it. I was with you right up until the point that you have now become too much. You and the rest of the Georgia folks. And look, I don't have a dog in this fight.


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[Assistant] Uh, you should. I mean, I'm not even trying to steal this from you. I'm just, I'm from a fan's point of view, from that date.


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[Assistant] Look, I'm just warning you, I could care less how obnoxious you are because this is just the way you've always been, so this is nothing new to me. I'm warning you that this is a very dangerous game for you just to be so blatant about, oh yes, of course we're going to be TCU.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, no, I'll agree with you. It's hard. Like, look, this is what we do in golf, right? He's a former walk-on, Rex. A former walk-on. It's impressive. Actually, but I'll go back to your team. He's like my size.


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[Assistant] I heard one of the funniest lines last night on a podcast, it was Mike Golick Jr., and he made the line about, he played the first half, I'm talking about your guy Stetson Bennett, he played the first half like Stetson and he played the second half like SB4. And I was like, ah, that's a good line. I can see where he's coming from on that one, that was good. Yep, that sounds just about right. We'll definitely have some more analysis.


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[Assistant] And, and I'm not, I'm not trying to be overly, look, they got us the new mics, and they're very, very good, we appreciate them. But, I, I, and I don't want to complain too much, but I'm, I'm literally getting cramps in my hand. Carpal tunnel. Carpal tunnel? I kind of. No doubt. Yea, I'm, I'm having to sit here and hold this mic, which is not light, by the way. I mean, it's a, it's a pretty, it's a pretty meaty mic. No, heavy duty, this is why our sound is so good.


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[Assistant] And, and you have not pointed out the fact that I'm doing this podcast for the first time from my office because I got, for Christmas Santa Claus brought me like a wifi booster thing that I was able to put in Santa Claus. And a TV that you definitely didn't ask for.


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[Assistant] But I don't want it. I want the black stuff. In a mic stand. That's it. Uhm, to your point, I'm fascinated by this. I hadn't even thought about the Cam Smith thing. That's a really good point. Like, it seems to me that my mind has moved on so much from Liv Goff and all the ramifications that that's gonna bring. I was more interested as the first designated event. Like, in going into this year.


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[Assistant] And you pointed out how good the field is. I mean, to that point, this is what we kind of come to expect. Now, there's going to be some outliers and I'm really, really curious to see how this transpires as we go further and further into the season because


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[Assistant] Each of these top designated players, don't even want to call them designated players. Each one of these top players, these star players as we sort of identify through the PIP. Top players in designated events. In designated events.


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[Assistant] These players get one off and I'm really, they can take one of these designated events off. And I'm really, really curious. I talked to a couple of players in the Bahamas at Tigers event about the idea of how this is going to work out. And it looks like it's almost like a hierarchy. Like I asked Jordan Spieth, like, what are you thinking of skipping? And he said, Wells Fargo.


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[Assistant] And just because of scheduling wise, I mean everyone loves the Wells Fargo. Because of the Texas events, absolutely. He wants to play the Byron, he wants to play Colonial, and it's right in the middle of the PGA Championship. I think it would have been four or five weeks in a row if he adds the Wells Fargo to that.


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[Assistant] But then I talked to three or four other of these top players as, as we identify them through the PIP and they also want to take Wells Fargo off. And so my comment was like, who is the tour going to, how is the tour going to decide who's going to be in these fields? Who's going to be out of these fields? And there is some sort of formula. We can talk about it at a later date, but this is interesting to me.


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[Assistant] Because what the tour is trying to do, what the top players, led by Rory and Tiger, are trying to do,


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[Assistant] Is to get all of the best players together more often at these bigger events with the bigger purses and eventually probably no cuts. That's what we have. That's exactly what we have this week. And I think you might've written this last year that what this tournament has become is probably going to be the standard, at least the way their tour envisions it going forward.


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[Assistant] We're gonna do the punch-outs, right? Yep. Yep, we're gonna do those. Uh, we're gonna do those at the end.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I'm, I'll go ahead and jump early on this one. Uh, for the PGA Championship, I picked Will Zalatoros to win for a number of reasons. One, I mean, he lost a playoff to Justin Thomas, and I can imagine those two coming down to a playoff again at Oak Hill later this summer. And, but I think the other thing here is, is probably going to take him a couple events.


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[Assistant] To play his way back into form. I mean, you're talking about a guy, if you look at just the way he played his way onto the PGA tour when there really wasn't any way to play your way onto the PGA tour, he's a bit of a road warrior. So I think he probably needs, uh, you know, a couple of events under his belt, but I can imagine by the time we get to the masters and certainly by the time you get to the PGA championship, he's going to be.


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[Assistant] Well, that's what you hope, because he is a singular talent. I mean, if you combine just his skill, what we've seen on the golf course, his resilience, we've seen it time and time again, where he came close twice last year, both at the PGA Championship and the US Open, and he never


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[Assistant] He sort of had that devastated look on his face. I think both of us sort of were watching the different body language at the PGA Championship between he and Mido Pereira.


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[Assistant] Where Mido, you could tell, like that hurt. It felt like, man, I let that one get away from me. You probably did.


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[Assistant] But with, with Will, it almost felt like it was just another step, that he was just taking another step.


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[Assistant] When you sit down and actually do the math, John Rahm did not like the idea that


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[Assistant] He has to add events that he may not normally play. It's not much. It might be one or two extra events.


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[Assistant] When I sat down and do the punch shots and we do these at the beginning of every year. So it's usually the first week of January is when we send them out and it's all the normal stuff. Who will be the player of the year and who will be the biggest surprise, good or bad. I sat down yesterday and I waited until the very last day, by the way, in case you're shocked by that. When I sat down or on deadline.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it, when I sat down to do this yesterday, like I wanted.


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[Assistant] That, that is the question. My player of the year is Tony Fino. And I think actually I said this a few weeks ago, when you look- I don't think anybody-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think anybody played better than Tony in the fall. Now, I did point out, and I kinda wanted to elaborate on this, but these punch shots are very, very quick. I did want to point out that his major record needs to improve. That he needs to get, be better in the biggest... He's got top fives in every major championship. He's one of the few players who can actually...


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[Assistant] Like have he, have that on his resume. But that was three years ago.


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[Assistant] If you look at kind of what he did last year, he was never really in the hunt at any of the four majors in 2022. And I'm not saying he can't be. I mean, he's certainly close enough that I don't think it's going to be a huge step for him to do that. But if you look at the way he finished up last season.


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[Assistant] And you look at just the potential that he brings. We have seen his game sort of evolve into whatever weaknesses there might have been there before. It seems like he's only getting better and better. I feel like he's the guy that takes the next step.


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[Assistant] I think all of them had. If you sort of look at what he's done over the course of his career, it seems to me that he always puts himself close, and it doesn't really matter which major it would be. If I had to pick, he seems like a US Open guy. If I had to really, and we don't know a lot about LACC.


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[Assistant] Don't know. Don't know. I think I'm looking just ball striking wise and we don't know enough and we got into this in the punch shots as well. I don't think, I don't know enough about the North course at LACC and I've been told nothing but great things, but it's such an unknown commodity. We haven't even played a tour event there. So you just don't know what it's going to be like. I can see him.


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[Assistant] If I'm leaning towards a direction, it's probably going to be Oak Hill or LA North.


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[Assistant] Uh, sounds like something I would say. There is some irony, because I actually picked him to win the Open Championship. I keep jumping ahead to all the different punches.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he does nothing else. Uh, there is sort of a disconnect there, I'll give you that. But as you- we got- we went through the years four majors.


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[Assistant] Well, but that's the thing. If I can just keep throwing different takes out there, eventually I'm gonna land one. Like, I mean, right? Like, eventually we just keep- Where's cold takes exposed? We need to do this.


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[Assistant] I mean, that seems to be a good formula, but when you look at the open going back to rural Liverpool, I kind of wrote that, I mean, sentimentally.


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[Assistant] I'd love for Tiger Woods to sort of find, you know, lightning in a bottle and do what he did in 06, which it's textbook. It ain't going to happen. I mean, look, we, we all know I watched him limp around the Ritz course during the PNC. I think Kalamora Kala actually is a good pick if we get those similar conditions. He's done it before.


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[Assistant] He's won the open in, in very, very similar conditions before and his ball striking is still among the game's best.


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[Assistant] You talked about Tony's putting though. I mean, I still have a huge question mark when it comes to more college putting.


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[Assistant] I feel like we need to go check the tape on that drop out of the top 25. I don't know that I said that. That doesn't sound right.


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[Assistant] TV comes at you fast, man. I don't know what to tell you. Sometimes you just say things because it just comes at you fast. Trust me.


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[Assistant] Well, I just went through all the things. When you look at the way he finished up in the fall, you pointed out he won three of his last, what, nine events, eight events to finish out 2022. I just think he's just, he continues to make those steps in the right direction. And I guess on some level,


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[Assistant] Had I been paying attention, could have probably seen it with Scotty Scheffler as well. Cause it was a very, very similar finish to 2021 for Scotty as it was for Tony in 2022. And we all know now what Scotty was able to do going into the masters and he had that great spring and that wrote him to being the player of the year. I can imagine very, very easily a similar scenario with Tony.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're just gonna keep doing this until Xander does it. And I agree with you, eventually Xander's gonna do it, cause eventually he's gonna put it together in a major and he's gonna- Pick him for a major in the last three or four years, every time.


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[Assistant] And you're gonna continue to do that. I can see the way that worked out. Alright, who's the biggest surprise? Good or bad for you?


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[Assistant] I think that's just wishful thinking. I don't think you're paying attention. You're not reading through these lawsuits like I am. You're also glazed over the lawsuit that's been filed in the middle district of Florida between Liv Goff and the European Tour. And there's going to be more.


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[Assistant] They're only going to continue to lay down more and more lawsuits. There's going to be more and more hearings.


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[Assistant] You mentioned the one in February in London that's essentially going to decide the Ryder Cup fate for a lot of these European players if that in fact is what they choose to do. No, I mean, what do you envision a scenario where Jay Monahan and Greg Norman are going to hug it out on the first tee at Augusta? Like it's not going to happen. And as far as the transaction goes, you're kind of assuming that the Exodus is finished and it might be, but even if it's not, it has to be.


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[Assistant] I think the transaction is what is going to keep this alive. At least in the short term, when I say it, this, I'm referring to live golf because it's the transaction that's made this, I think, so entertaining for your average sports fan. I'm not talking about for the average golf person, but people outside of golf who are fascinated by the idea of will he go? Won't he go? That's not ending. And even if it does end,


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[Assistant] The whole model is built on teams, 12 teams, and each team, their captain, whoever that is, Phil's team for example, he's gonna wanna get the best players for his team, and at some point,


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[Assistant] That attention is going to move back to the PGA Tour, and he's going to like what he sees out of Will Zella Tours, or Sahitha Gala, or any of these young players. Can't lay. Or can't lay. Exactly. And the rumor mill is only going to continue. Now, I'll agree with you to a certain.


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[Assistant] All of the noise is not going away. Like that's just you being, you're just trying.


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[Assistant] I normally don't do this, but over the holidays, I was listening to kind of two separate podcasts who don't do golf. It's more kind of a general sports thing. And both of them talked about how the decision by the masters.


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[Assistant] It makes me wonder if maybe they know, they don't know as much about other sports. You ever think about that?


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[Assistant] Good. I think he finally sort of takes that next step, which isn't going to be a huge step, just between winning, being the consistent player that we've already seen, you know, in his first year on the PGA Tour. And I just think you factor in the personality and sort of that fan appeal.


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[Assistant] That he's brought, he's going to be a pip darling for a long time as long as he stays healthy. And I know he's had some wrist issues, but I just think he has the package when you look at, and I would make the same argument for Willie Z.


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[Assistant] Where, and look, my opinion on Cameron Young has changed to a degree after watching him at the hero.


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[Assistant] A little bit and trying to get to know him a little bit better. I still don't think he's a wonderful player. He has the ability to be a special player.


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[Assistant] On the PGA tour, personality wise, he doesn't bring much to the table. And look, you could say that about a lot of players on the PGA tour. Dustin Johnson made a lot of money in his career being a really good player who didn't show much personality when it came to the media or the press. And you can be that player. That's fine. VJ Singh made a lot of money doing it that way. But if you decide.


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[Assistant] To go the Tom Kim route, or the Willie Z route, or in this particular case, Sahith route.


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[Assistant] You're going to make so much more money and you're going to make so many more fans and I just think it's so much easier for the PGA Tour to take these players and to make their product better as opposed to if you're Cameron Young and all you want to do is be a golf robot.


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[Assistant] Well, and this is going to be largely injury driven. Will it not be? I mean, certainly we spoke for 10 minutes about Will Zalatoros and both of us put the same caveat that yes, he is due to have another special season.


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[Assistant] If he comes back healthy, now according to your crack reporting, he's going to be fine and he's going to be 100% and he's never been more healthy. You could probably make the same argument about Sahith. And as I pointed out, I mean, he's had wrist issues since I think his early days in college, if I remember you telling me that correctly. He had surgery, yea.


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[Assistant] And it doesn't get easier. It's not as though being a PGA Tour player is a healthy lifestyle as far as how you take care of your body and how you expect to recover. It's not an easy job physically and I think it's going to take a toll and it's going to, to wear you down. And you could probably, certainly we saw Scottie Scheffler seem to


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[Assistant] I conveniently put that out of my mind. I would argue that


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[Assistant] No, with injury. I mean, look, let's say he gets excited about a hole in one during the par three contest again at Augusta and turns the ankle. It gives me the cringes. He's still, he's still top ten. Top ten that week. That would get him massive world ranking points. Don't want it to happen, but it certainly happened. What is going to be your defining moment of the year? Wrecks to me, and I don't feel


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[Assistant] I went Ryder Cup as well, I wasn't as bold as you and predicted a US win cause I'm, I'm


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[Assistant] I can see now why you're not so sure about this simply because it's, it's been the better part of three damn decades.


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[Assistant] Since the U.S. team won the Ryder Cup in 1993. Yeaah. Three decades since the U.S. team won a Ryder Cup in Europe. Three decades. They had to do it eventually.


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[Assistant] The dynamics of live golf, how it's going to impact the European team going forward and how it's going to impact the U.S. team going forward. I don't think next year, or I'm sorry, this year's Ryder Cup is nearly


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[Assistant] They lost some players that probably weren't going to make the team anyway, or if they did, they probably shouldn't be on the team anyway, but they also lost some of the heart and soul of that team. You could argue they lost something that made that team special over the decades. Now I don't know if Henry extension.


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[Assistant] Was going to be a good captain or not. My guess is Luke Donnell will be just as fine in the job, but the dynamics between how the players who have left the game.


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[Assistant] It's going to impact this, which is always, it's always the Ryder Cup. Like this one was easy. We're always going to sit and talk about the Ryder Cup because it always seems to make a difference. You're right. I feel like it's leaning in the American's direction because of all the things you pointed out. If you look at the US team, really the last two years, the Ryder Cup of Whistling Straits and the President's Cup of Quill Hollow.


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[Assistant] I mean this team's team's stacked seems like generationally we're in a very, or the US is in a very, very good spot. $5. Start the year with a $5 fine.


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[Assistant] I don't, uh, I'm gonna go ahead and do the same footnote you did and then like come out here just scolding hot. I don't feel good about any of these picks. Just because trying to pick a winner.


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[Assistant] That's gonna be wholly inaccurate. Don't feel good about any of them. The Masters, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be the total homer here. Roy McIlroy gets it done. That's right. He gets it done. He completes the career of Grand Slam. He finally gets the green jacket. There's a lot of tears on the green when he...


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[Assistant] Everybody, like me and Gary, me and Jerry McElroy are just going to be hugging each other out and it's going to be such an emotional day. I think when you look at what he did last year, both on and off the golf course, we've talked about this a lot. I feel like he's in such a good spot now and I can just imagine a scenario and this is probably more heart than head.


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[Assistant] Talking, but imagine a scenario where you had Rory and Kim Smith.


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[Assistant] Alright, he talked about this. Will Zelotouris is going to win. He's going to be Justin Thomas, uh, moving on. The bigger part, as you pointed out, it's a home game for you. You're going back to the roots. And I think we had a conversation about, wait, what's your onstage rapper name? Didn't we come up with it? Oh, DJ Scary Mouse.


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[Assistant] Apparently there's mixtapes in your mom's house, apparently you, you could, you could spin it.


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[Assistant] No, you're incorrect. I picked John Rahm for that one. Simply because...


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[Assistant] Uh, again, we don't know anything. We, we know very little about LACC North. It's, it's supposed to be a very good layout, but without, with that lack of information.


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[Assistant] I just kind of picked a guy, number one, that seems to play really, really well in Southern California. Of course, John Rahm won his only major at the US Open at Torrey Pines. He's played well.


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[Assistant] At Riviera, which is kind of again, similar grasses, similar climate, some similar kind of atmosphere. And I just feel like John's do. I mean, John finished this season consistent as you pointed out earlier in the podcast. And I feel like, I mean, the major game.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I may have to revisit that US Open pick, because somehow Max Homa just sort of dropped into my mind and I'm thinking to myself, hmm.


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[Assistant] Uh, he does have to improve that and I think he will when you look at what he did. Certainly, I would point to the President's Cup where he, you know, he finally played in sort of that first team event and just completely excelled and learned so much about himself and players talk about this all the time, just the idea of getting


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[Assistant] And that cauldron, even at a President's Cup guys compared to a Ryder Cup, but getting in the cauldron and feeling it and producing, it gives you so much confidence going forward. And can you imagine how cool that story would be? Max Holmo winning a major championship in LA.


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[Assistant] I don't know about that one. I think Tiger and Rory and we can point to a couple of other people. Hey, I didn't write it.


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[Assistant] Brennan Quinn. That's kind of out there. I already talked about the Open Championship, which will be at rural Liverpool. It would be so cool if Tiger Woods were somehow to resurrect the ghost from 06, but that doesn't seem likely to happen. So I went with Morikawa, which now that I've said it out loud, I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. These are so stupid. Who do you pick? Uh, I pick Jon Rum.


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[Assistant] Of course you did. Alright, Ryder Cup, you were very specific. The US wins? Is that the end of your story?


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[Assistant] I actually didn't pick a winner, which leads me to believe that there's an editor who's going to be calling me very very quickly.


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[Assistant] Because, because I don't think, I don't feel, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. I think it's going to be much, much closer.


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[Assistant] I really do not want to do that. See, like I'm more interested in what's going on around each team. Like that to me fascinates me a little bit more. I'm interested to see what kind of happens. Because people want picks. People want picks.


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[Assistant] I mean, the US team hasn't done it in three decades, so if you're going to push me, I'm gonna say Europe. I mean, I don't, you are what your record says you are, and for three damn decades, as I've said twice now, I don't even know if, are they gonna have to bleep that out?


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[Assistant] Uh, so if you're going to push me, I'm going to pick Europe. Simply because, again, three decades. They haven't done it since Tom Watson was a captain, and not the time when he was a captain. He did a really bad job in Scotland the time before that in England.


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[Assistant] Uh, the ribs that I talked about, yes, they, I cook them as good as I can possibly cook them. Now that being said, for those of you who are thinking about trying to experiment with different rubs, there's a really good rub from meat church called the voodoo rub. And that in and of itself, it's got a bite to it, but then you factor in, I also got some.


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[Assistant] Some hot barbecue sauce from Southern Seoul. Nope. Too hot. Too hot. Folks, you can't double dip. You gotta, you gotta choose one or the other. Too hot. So I just happen to have this Southern Seoul dust on my desk. I'm going to go with that next time. Uh, 321 Classic. It was very, very easy. And this time of year makes me so sad.


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[Assistant] Because I know the days are numbered now of me just sitting on my back porch on a Saturday, smoking ribs, watching football, drinking an IPA. And like, what do I do with myself after that?


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[Assistant] I mean, do you guys ever just have a salad for dinner at your house?


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[Assistant] Can we get a preview of DJ Scary Mouse at that players gathering or no?


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[Assistant] You're telling me you want to do instead of designated events, let's call them Scotty events. Like you don't want to win a Scotty events like that. Those are the ones you want to win. No, you're going to have to go through him to win it. There's no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And it's funny, we were just, I was just on live from, with Todd Lewis and we had a producer ask, like, wha- wha- wha-


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[Assistant] What does the, is it, is it, or is it humble that I'm sitting in the dark with Todd Lewis late into the night? Lonely as can be. Uhm, what, what are players saying? What are his fellow players saying about the idea that when you see him on top of that leaderboard,


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[Assistant] Is it, you know, you never want to compare anyone to Tiger, but what does that send? What message is that sending to the field? And honestly, he's such a nice guy and he's so humble and soft spoken and he's never going to go out and flex himself. However, I have to believe at this point.


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[Assistant] After everything he's done over the last 13 months, if you point it out, it's starting to have that sort of.


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[Assistant] Feeling that it resonates, that as soon as you do see his name and you know he's playing well, yes, I'm going to take notice of that and you're going to file that away that, okay, I've got to probably probably play better than I would have otherwise.


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[Assistant] I had a line when Todd Lewis, again, Hummelberg asked me that online from tonight because he brought up the same thing. He's two for six. The last time being East Lake in my line was Rory McElroy is not walking through that door that he's not even around for the weekend here, here at the players championship. And that's so disrespectful to all the players that you.


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[Assistant] And let's go down the list and we can sit here and talk about all the great players who are behind him. However, combined the next six players don't have as many tour victories as Scotty does, and they certainly don't have any major championships among them. I just think in this particular case, and you're right, what happened at Eastlake?


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[Assistant] It's probably in the back of his mind. I don't know how you ignore that going into tomorrow simply because we kind of had written it off.


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[Assistant] He's hitting the ball so well. You and I both had the opportunity to talk to his swing coach, Randy Smith, after the round. And keep in mind, this is right after the round. So Scotty is still signing his scorecard. He hadn't even had a chance to talk with Scotty and he knew he was going to the range because of all the numbers Scotty posted today, 65.


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[Assistant] They knew. And again, I think you wrote a really good story tonight. I'm assuming. I'm not going to do that. You wrote a story tonight on golfchannel.com. Maybe it's good. Maybe it's bad.


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[Assistant] I don't know about that. That's another hell move back. But the one thing, and you probably used this quote that Randy said was he does not accept mediocrity. And he so saw my picker. Yes. And it's such a good quote because.


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[Assistant] He's so soft spoken and he's never gonna go out and flex and he's never gonna sit and talk about how great he is. But what he's gonna do is he's gonna show you because of all the things I just said, 65, two stroke lead, all of the other things that the only thing that really matters is you saw him march to the range because he hit three shots exactly. Three of those 65 shots didn't do exactly what he wanted to do.


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[Assistant] That to me is sort of the defining element of a champion.


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[Assistant] And I think this is the danger that we always get in, that the fact that he went.


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[Assistant] And went to the range and tried to do this. I think you're absolutely right. If you probably look more times than not, he goes to the range after a round, round, good round, bad round, in contention, not in contention. You're right. This is probably just how he relaxes. This is his Zen moment before he goes to the hotel and goes to sleep for the night. I read nothing else into it other than three bad shots, 65, three of them didn't do exactly what he wanted them to do.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, that's not what you did. You actually sent a text message to all of our group, uh, to everyone. What you got there? What you drinking there? Uh, water.


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[Assistant] Okay, very good. We sent a text message to all of our group. As soon as you saw that he was doing the weather in his first hit, and you could not have been more excited. So, peeling back the curtain, we make fun of Berko because what he likes to do is the weather. He doesn't like to do anything else. He really wants to work for the Weather Channel. He's wasting his skills working for the Golf Channel. Let's just be honest.


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[Assistant] Not just win, but you're going to have to win and you're going to have to beat Scottie Scheffler. A monsoon of respect.


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[Assistant] In that chasing pack, if I had to pick someone, it's going to be Tommy Fleetwood and he's going to have to have a fantastic round and we can sit and talk about Tommy Fleetwood's


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[Assistant] Last 12 months and he hasn't played his best golf and is he comfortable enough on this particular golf course? Those things all factor into it. But when you look down the leaderboard.


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[Assistant] This goes back to my column on Wednesday. Man, did I get that wrong.


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[Assistant] No, I had a chance to talk to his caddy because I'm always curious in this situation. And look, I don't know if you've ever sat and watched Tom Hoagy play golf. He doesn't show a lot of emotions. He has a little bit of Scottie Scheffler in him, I guess. And I was just curious.


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[Assistant] At any point, was he nervous? Did he look at the leaderboard? Did he realize he was making a bunch of birdies that he was closing in on 62, which was going to be the course record, which is kind of a big deal on this particular golf course when you consider how difficult it can be.


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[Assistant] And he said, no, it never even came up. Like he actually almost slowed down that he's normally a kind of.


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[Assistant] A language guy anyway, like he's going to move at his own pace and towards the end, he didn't even get, you know, rushed at all. And actually his caddy told me he hit exactly one bad shot today on number six.


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[Assistant] And he goes, outside of that, everything else he looked at, everything else he hit was exactly what we had talked about. It was C ball. It was hit ball. It was like a video game. And that's always amazing to me because we talked about this golf course on Friday where it kind of got the best of the best players in the world.


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[Assistant] Rory missed the cut, John Rahm went home like it was just a brutal golf course.


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[Assistant] No, no, it doesn't sound like it at all. And yet somehow less than 24 hours later, you have Tom Hoagy, you know, the pride of North Dakota going out and shooting a course record because of the one thing I asked his caddie, like what was the difference? And he goes, he, he just drove the ball better. Like on Thursday, when he clearly played poorly.


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[Assistant] He knew, like, alright, as long as I keep doing what I need to do. He had to cancel not one, but two flights.


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[Assistant] Because he obviously had a 230 flight on Friday out. There's a direct, I guess an American flight, the direct to Dallas. And so he already had that book, which is a really bad sign. If you're a professional, if you're, you're booking a 230 flight on Friday, and then he had the same flight on Saturday, figuring that, okay, we could go long.


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[Assistant] So not one, but two flights. And so now all of a sudden he's in the hunt. No, I wouldn't expect him to go back out because it would probably take maybe not a 62, but something certainly in the mid sixties to be able to catch Scotty, but it was a really impressive brand.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think Jordan could definitely make it interesting tomorrow, simply because we've seen the best of Jordan and the worst of Jordan. I mean, that's sort of Jordan Spieth defined.


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[Assistant] Like I just think in this particular situation, no, I don't particularly think he's going to come back and win this, but I think he could do sort of that Jordan thing where he goes out and just has one of those special rounds and we can all agree.


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[Assistant] That when he's being Jordan, I don't think there's anyone in the game that's more entertaining than him. Like I love watching Rory play golf. I love watching John Rahm play golf because they do it better than any human does it on the planet right now. And there's a, there's a poetry to that that I enjoy. However.


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[Assistant] There's something to that recklessness that is Jordan Spieth that makes him entertaining. I'll go out and I'll watch him because you never really know. I don't think he's going to be able to win this, but I mean you have to go out and you can at least watch and the fact that he made the cut the way he made the cut with


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[Assistant] And here's the deal, and I think I got fooled by the internet on this, or maybe someone I was walking with, but someone said that the person he hit on the 9th hole yesterday was a marine.


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[Assistant] That he asked for an obscene amount of Masters tickets, which was...


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[Assistant] But I'll go back to when you make the cut, and again, this is part of the conversation that we had earlier about how important the cut is because it adds that element, that storytelling element to it.


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[Assistant] For him to make the cut like that, and again, I'm having a hard time spitting these words out to have a chance to win because I don't truly believe that. But for him to have a chance to make it interesting, if he posts something in the mid sixties and gives Scottie something to look at, I think that's a beautiful thing.


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[Assistant] Because as he pointed out that I could hear you scream through the door. We're not that far away. And I think people on the 18th green could hear you scream. It's simply because as he pointed out today, what, what he did driving wise this week was not the concern. He talked about his driving. Everyone wanted to ask about his driving. The bigger concern is his putting.


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[Assistant] Cause he didn't putt well. I think that's the bigger concern. I think he started with a double bogey, which is the way he started this week and he decided, okay, I'm hitting this driver that he's clearly not comfortable with.


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[Assistant] We've talked about that. Like there's a driver in his bag right now that's not working the way he wants it to work. So.


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[Assistant] He even mentioned it today, like there's, there's tons of holes over the last 36.


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[Assistant] That I should have hit three wood or five wood or even maybe an iron, but he wanted to push it. He decided this was as good as place as any. And if you're going to hit it well, that's fine. No, I have no issue whatsoever with his driver. His putting concerns me a little bit because I think the last I look, he was 141st and strokes came putting.


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[Assistant] And this field, which is 144. So that to me would be the bigger issue.


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[Assistant] This golf course is, we've talked about it. You've had Fred Funklet win here. You've had Phil Mickelson win here. You've had Rory win here. Like there is no rhyme or reason to this particular golf course and you can get sideways, even a little bit sideways and end up going home very, very quickly. So no, the more interesting thing I thought he said this afternoon.


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[Assistant] Was he was asked what you and I have talked about, I think the last few nights about


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[Assistant] The idea being that there's so many things going on off the golf course that you've become the spokesperson essentially for the PGA tour and you're sitting through seven hour policy board meetings last week at Bay Hill. It's got to take a toll on your game. And he admitted as much that yes, I need to get this behind me. I need to become a golfer again. I need to focus on the golf.


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[Assistant] No, he played really, really good golf just last week at Bay Hill, a very difficult golf course. On this particular golf course that I would point out, he has a spotty record here anyway. Wildly different test. Exactly. And he has a spotty record here. He's in the last three starts. You can't possibly say Rory is playing better right now as he was last August. You can't say that.


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[Assistant] He's not doing anything better than he is right now. There is nothing at TPC that's going to change my mind when it comes to Rory, or really any player, because again, this is the type of golf course that you can end up in a really bad position very, very easily.


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[Assistant] It looks like you're on location in a cave right now.


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[Assistant] Not as many as we may think. I think it will get interesting. You think Rory? You think Rory's gonna win? He's gonna come back from the dead.


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[Assistant] I remembered who told me that. It was a producer at ESPN. Like I don't want to throw anybody on the bus. Hello Mark Summer. Yes, talking to you Mark Summer.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's nice to get finally like done with the whole process. You know, one, like, and then two, it's like, you know, there's like so much intrigue about.


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[Assistant] Oh god, oh nine, oh nine, wait no, it was oh seven, my mock blew up I think, was it oh seven, I can't remember, was it oh seven or nine? I think I had you going first overall, so that, that backfired.


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[Assistant] You're, you're number, you're number, you were number one in my heart, Brady, but, uh, it turns out, turns out the Raiders, the Raiders like somebody else better. Uh, by the way, I just, uhm, I don't know if we're gonna talk about this, are we gonna talk about my worst mock draft ever?


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[Assistant] But anyway, what's uh, what's your favorite draft memory? What's your favorite draft memory?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's awesome. My favorite draft memory is when I won 75 units on the first Thursday night, whenever Trey Lance, it was the Trey Lance, uh, Trevor Lawrence, Mac Jones draft. Uh, that's good. That was a fun night. Fun Thursday night. We partied. Units! Units! Uhm, anyway, quarterback desperation tears. Wrote this up for the site.


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[Assistant] Then I had like, should, like, why, well, why, well, why not? And like broke down why a bunch of teams could or a bunch of teams couldn't because I think you had a lot more sort of like.


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[Assistant] Patriots fans are like mad at him. They think he unnecessarily threw Belichick under the bus with the whole dynasty, um, you know, uh, documentary.


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[Assistant] I think, I think it's interesting too, just because like now with Belichick gone and Brady gone, everybody's sort of looking at it like, all right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you let Tom leave, and Bill probably chased him off a bit. But then you fired Bill, and you buried him this offseason.


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[Assistant] If you took these teams and swapped them into the places of Chicago, Washington, and New England in the top three, uhm,


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[Assistant] Where they were guaranteed to have a spot, to have a chance at one of the top three quarterbacks, they draft on an heartbeat and it's still very possible that they could draft a quarterback. How would you rank these three teams guys, uh, do as you can start in terms of most likely to least likely to draft a quarterback Vikings,


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[Assistant] Like, Sean Payton got, had a free out when he came to Denver last year. If Russell Wilson stunk, he was going to be able to blame everything on Russ. You knew that was going to happen. Russ can try and push back in the media as much as he wants and all that, but you know, the tape is out there of how Russell played. Sean Payton has.


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[Assistant] People asking questions about Sean Payton and is Sean Payton just a byproduct of Drew Brees? The other thing with the Broncos and the Raiders, if the Cardinals stay at four and trade, and draft Marvin Harrison,


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[Assistant] All of a sudden, the question becomes, would Jim Harbaugh be willing, and I don't know that we're assuming three quarterbacks are wrong, would Jim Harbaugh be willing to trade the fifth pick to the Raiders or Broncos to come get his guy, JJ McCarthy?


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[Assistant] And the Vikings facilitated the Lions moving up to grab, uh, Jameson Williams in the draft as well. So like those two teams have sort of been a little incestual. Friendly fire, yea.


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[Assistant] If you're like, if you're, if you allow somebody to move up in the draft, you're taking away a lot of assets from your opponent that they can be used to like, to, to build out the roster. So I, I don't think it should be something that people are wary of. All right. Let's take a break. And when we come back.


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[Assistant] I was about to say, I wanted to get to that one. Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll talk about the wild cards next.


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[Assistant] Alright, I also have the wild card tiers on the quarterback desperation tiers. I'm trying to hit my marks on these, on these, on these ads. Gotta pay the bills. You guys, you don't have, you have no idea how much it costs to keep the lights on at the pick six podcast.


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[Assistant] Headquarters or wherever. Uhm, I, I had the Giants and the Titans listed as the two wild cards here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they drafted Will Leves in the second round. I think when you draft somebody in the second round, it doesn't preclude you from replacing them.


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[Assistant] One, I would say, Brady, do you, do you, would you, what do you think about these two wild cards? And then two, is there anybody else you would add into that category?


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[Assistant] So the Giants are, the Giants are sitting at four already. It's just, we're, we're taking one of these four quarterbacks or at least if they're at three, they're like, we're definitely taking this.


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[Assistant] I like that. I think that's a good call too on Dallas.


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[Assistant] Uhm, by the way, the, uh, Joe Fortenbaugh tweeted this out today, uh, Joe Fortenbaugh of ESPN, uh, I don't know if he's been on the pod or not, but, uhm, good, good dude.


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[Assistant] The only real logic that, and it's not really logical because I like, I did, I've done the math on the, I mean, and look, salary cap, the salary cap is, is what it is in 2024, but you would be taking like a $63 million cap hit for Justin Herbert, even if you traded him, I think.


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[Assistant] And so we, we don't really know like how aggressive he would, like there was at no point in time could Jim Harbaugh ever require Andrew Luck, right? Like he was going to go first overall. The Browns tried to trade their entire draft.


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[Assistant] Don't blame him. Good move. But like, so, like, I mean, I just wonder, like, how much do you think Jim Harbaugh is thinking, all right, I mean, like, I did this at Michigan, I can do this at the NFL. Obviously, like a different level of football, but if you're really, really bad cap space,


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[Assistant] You say, all right, we're going to draft JJ and like do this tear down style of thing and get rid of Justin Herbert's contract and pick up this super store wide receiver in the process. I mean.


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[Assistant] It's kind of intriguing. And then get like two or three other, two other players, like an offensive lineman, another lineman. I don't know, man. It's not like, it's, it's, it's.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, oh no, this is kind of interesting. And I don't know how this would, pre June 1st trade of Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] Would equal just, it would actually give him $6 million in salary cap savings.


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[Assistant] I can't believe Chopper did that to you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Bob Brinson. Uh, I'm sure you're watching that. Alright, let's get into...


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[Assistant] Like, you guys got some hot takes for the draft for the first round of Thursday night's draft?


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[Assistant] I like him better than others. So, a lot of sheep out there don't like them. He's just like, just like, I wish I had like a doll, actually I don't wish I had this, but like a little like, we tried to create one like a few years ago. It's like you pull the string, it's like a wind up Prisco doll. You pull the string, he's like, JJ McCarthy.


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[Assistant] The sheep on Twitter love him. So, no big deal, I don't think he's great. It's like, okay Pete, that's, that's, that's career consensus. Uh, dudes, give me a tag, give me somebody who's a lot, somebody who's outside, maybe outside the top 10, who's a lot to be a star.


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[Assistant] What about the Washington guys, Brady? How are you? Where are you? I mean, where are you at on Michael Pennex? I think it's, I think it's fascinating, like Pennex and Boenix, um, specifically, and even like Jayden Daniels to a degree because he transferred from Arizona State where he wasn't very good, probably because Arizona State's just trash school, no offense, Pete, actually, I'm just getting total offense. Um, but like Michael Pennex Jr. has attempted


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[Assistant] That is a wild number to, I mean, just like, I think this COVID bell curve stuff and how we're sort of seeing the, like the tail end of these guys who are like, you know, 25 coming out of the draft is just, um, it is just really fascinating to see.


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[Assistant] You know what we should do, Brady? We should, and I would volunteer for this because, you know, I like, we should take your charity.


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[Assistant] Okie dokie, we are going to do a rabid fire first round mock draft. Uh, this list Brady is picking first. I'm actually going to pick first because Caleb Williams is going first overall and there's not frankly any discussion that needs to be done. I do the worst mock ever where I'm trying to troll every fan base and I couldn't figure out like what am I going to do with Caleb Williams? Somebody has to take him.


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[Assistant] I thought, I actually dreamt last night at one point that I was going to do the Packers trade, their first round pick and Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] Plus like a wide receiver for the number one overall pick. And I was like, that's stupid. Neither team would do that. They don't have to do that trade. So, uh, Deuce, that puts you on the clock at number two. You're the Washington commanders.


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[Assistant] It's going all the way back up to, to Jane Daniels, uh, minus like 350 to go second of all. It's wild just to see that swing. You can tell that that's reactive because if it were predictive, then it wouldn't have changed. That's how you know it's reactive.


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[Assistant] So that's just reacting to the fact that he's going first overall. Okay, so it's not predictive though.


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[Assistant] Look, I like that move by Minnesota, the connection with Josh McCown, obviously there, makes a ton of sense.


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[Assistant] And I think the Patriots frankly are in a position where they should consider trading out of three, getting a haul of picks and trying to sort of like restart. But again, I think they're so desperate.


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[Assistant] Not only, like, we have Justin Herbert, we know we upgraded the coaching staff, we have enough talent on this team to, like, we're, we feel like we're a better team than the Raiders. You can deliver them two L's that push them down and push your draft pick up for next year and feel like you could really get a big, a big pick with that, like, end up with two really mixed picks.


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[Assistant] If that thing drifts down to like 28 or something like that and gets a normal juice or like 25 and a half, I think it's a smash play. He's going, he's going top 15, isn't he?


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[Assistant] You're doing a great job. You're doing a great job. You're killing it. You're crushing it. Uhm, alright dudes, you're on the clock with the Giants. Are you...


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[Assistant] Then this is the scenario where Joe Alt is there, but they would, they would consider Malik neighbors. I think they would consider him.


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[Assistant] You know, Khaled's the best offensive line coach in the league, maybe ever in the league. And if he's, if he's like, go get Joe Alt, I mean, Brian's gonna be like, all right, I'll get, let's get Joe Alt. This guy can be a difference maker for the franchise. Uh, sort of like, you know, you're sort of rebooting it like you did with Taylor Delon in previous years. Dues, you are on the clock. You are the Atlanta Falcons now.


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[Assistant] Sorry, there's buzz, some troll buzz going on that Pete's, who they should take mock is, quote unquote, an embarrassment, and quote unquote, they can't believe it was greenlit. And Pete is lashing out, I have you know, so feel free to let him know that it's terrible.


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[Assistant] Yeah, alright. Uh, Broncos, dudes, you're on the clock. Is this a Michael?


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[Assistant] Jared verse out of Florida State that puts you on the clock with the Chargers Brady having traded down.


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[Assistant] I would be shocked if the Chargers first pick is not an offensive lineman. And that puts Deuce on the clock with the Saints who...


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[Assistant] No complaints there, especially if you think the Rams might try to take him.


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[Assistant] That puts Brady on the clock with the Minnesota Vikings for...


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[Assistant] You think that's pretty good value to get him going in the first round, or do you think he falls? I mean, he could obviously possibly fall to like the Panthers, but I mean...


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[Assistant] Jaden Daniels over Caleb Williams, for whatever that's worth. So that's why Pete's being killed for this mock draft.


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[Assistant] All right. Moving along, we don't need to talk about Pete's Mic Drop. We've got a lot of Mic Drop to handle, so we will put do's on the clock with the Cowboys.


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[Assistant] Okay, Brady, you are up with the Green Bay Packers. Alright, sorry, I'm just...


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[Assistant] There's like, there's like 35 or 40 guys who could be first round picks. Some guys, some guys are going to fall out of the virtue of like, like the way that.


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[Assistant] Especially in this particular mock draft, we've seen a lot of receivers go. If that happens, if the receivers go, it's gonna push some tackles down the board. If the tackles go, it's gonna push the receivers down the board. So that to me is the most interesting component of this draft.


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[Assistant] Okay, that puts dews on the clock with the bucks.


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[Assistant] By the way, it really intriguing, by the way, I think if Bowers fell, like, would either the Bills or the Chiefs, who we think won a pass catcher, obviously they have, you know, Dom Kincaid and Travis Kelsey too, very good tight ends already. But like, I mean, I'm just saying like, the Bills got a few good tight ends.


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[Assistant] No, I don't know if he said savant. I think he said basically like he's a junkie. And so I could, I could see him certainly going corner back there. Dudes, you're on the clock.


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[Assistant] The NFL Draft. Get pumped for it. Make sure to watch CBS Sports HQ to get all the content leading up to the draft. For news from Brady and Brinson, we'll see you guys later.


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[Assistant] John Breach and Tyler Sullivan aka Sully, Ryan Wilson, deep in the draft weeds, maybe fired as a super friend. Who's to say?


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[Assistant] We might have upgraded. Let me, let me upgrade. Remember that? That's, that's an old like 90s reference. Uh, anyway, gentlemen, how are we doing? What's going on guys? How you doing? Happy to be here. Hello, new super friend.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think, I mean, Sully's been doing a lot of these shows, so get used to Sully hanging around. And I hope, Sully, that for your sake, it means that they adjust.


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[Assistant] The bride, the bride-to-be may push back a touch, and I would guess that's what happened in this case. So you're getting married two weeks after the cerebral infarction, so I pumped for you, buddy. Thank you.


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[Assistant] So if you're watching on YouTube, hit that like button, make sure to subscribe. If you're listening to the podcast platforms, give us a five star review. Uh, today is February 20th, 2024. That means the franchise tag window and transition tag windows open for NFL teams. Um, we're going to dive into what.


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[Assistant] Then they used to be, used to be the window would open and they would slap a tag and be like, we tagged this guy. And now the NFL teams are really trying to treat it sort of more respectfully. Like they, they like to wait until like as long as possible because they don't want to make it look like they're abusing this functionality of the CBA that all players hate. Um, but the reality is.


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[Assistant] The franchise tag is painted every time there's a new collective bargaining negotiation.


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[Assistant] And so teams don't want to draw attention to it in a hyper negative way each year. Now the tag has gotten so big.


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[Assistant] It's not that crazy to play on it. And I think some players, you know, these running backs with a low number, obviously they don't want to do it. I understand when you get tagged, you're, it's like, you know, you're not getting that security, but the way that medicine is advanced and you know, with a fully guaranteed one year deal and it grows to, so if you get tagged one year and you get tagged the second year, it's 120%.


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[Assistant] So one year fully guaranteed contract. Uhm, there's a non-exclusive and exclusive tag.


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[Assistant] Sully, maybe the best way to sort of, the best example that is last year with Lamar Jackson, who was given the non-exclusive tag.


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[Assistant] Well, and just to that point, so when you're drafted, you have a four year contract. If you're a first round pick, you have a fifth year option.


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[Assistant] And so NFL teams, if they draft you in the first round, they know, and they're probably going to pay you before then if you're a really great player, but they know that they have six years of control.


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[Assistant] That is a ton of control when you include the franchise tag. Pertinent to our discussion of Sully's impending nuptials here, a lot of players believe that the franchise tag is the equivalent of someone refusing to propose. It's like, okay, you really, really like me because you don't want to let me go, but you don't like me enough to lock me down.


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[Assistant] You know, and so it's like, it's like a promise ring, which no, nobody wants a promise ring. I mean, no offense if you guys gave your...


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[Assistant] With the exclusive tag, you can negotiate. You cannot negotiate with other teams with the non-exclusive tag. Other teams can come in and offer.


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[Assistant] A, uh, attend, offer a contract to the player.


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[Assistant] The, I'm trying to, I'm trying to make sure that I'm correct, yeaah.


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[Assistant] The, in 2006, this is, I mean, I mean, do you know where I'm going with this? With Steve Hutchinson. Do you remember the poison pill contracts that they used to do? So Hutchinson's deal.


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[Assistant] Hutchinson was given the transition tag by the Seahawks, which again, you have transition tag.


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[Assistant] Beautiful transition to the transition tag. Thanks. Uh, great job Harry. Uh, players free to negotiate with other teams when you deal, see the numbers there, the cap percentage average in the top 10 greatest players at the players position or under 20% of his previous year salary. So.


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[Assistant] Uh, Steve Hutchinson went out and was given the tag, went out and negotiated the Vikings.


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[Assistant] If Hutchinson was not the highest paid linebacker on his team, excuse me, Lyman. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And so the Seahawks could not sign him because Walter Jones made more than Hutch. And it would mean that Hutch would, they would just have to give him like $49 million right away. So Hutchinson left to go to the Vikings and the Seahawks received nothing in return. They later tried to get back, I think, at them with Nate Perlison.


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[Assistant] On a, on a poison pill deal and eventually in the 2011 CBA, they wiped out poison pill contracts, which frankly is kind of a shame.


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[Assistant] Cause it would be pretty cool if you had like, cause if you're, if you're the last year, if you're the Falcons with Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] You could have included certain stipulations that would have made it prohibited for the Ravens to match whatever offer sheet you gave him, et cetera, et cetera. Like if Lamar is within five miles of crab cakes, uh, at any point during the season, he receives a $10 million raise or something, you know, like something like that. And, um, there are no crab cakes in Atlanta.


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[Assistant] And see, you get the point. Like you could, there's stuff you could do. They've done like playing time and stuff and that got wiped out. But, uh, it's a much more sort of straightforward exercise and you don't usually see


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[Assistant] Hayden Hirsch? He went to Bigelow State. Uhm, who's the guy, who's the guy they drafted in the first round?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, the transition tag is not, you know, you can also, you can use, you can only use one franchise tag per team, but you can use the franchise tag and the transition tag.


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[Assistant] At the same time, if you were so inclined, I thought the Giants should have tried to explore that with Daniel Jones and St. Juan Barclay last year. And you see, you know, like let St. Juan go to negotiate, bring Daniel Dany times on the franchise tag. They'd be in a lot better position than they are right now. Harry put those numbers up. Um, $36.4 million of rounding up here for the quarterback for a one year deal.


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[Assistant] Linebacker 22.8, DT 21 million, wide receiver 20 and change, defensive end 20 and change, offensive line right at 20, cornerback 18 million, safety 16.3 million,


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure the last punter tag was Todd, sorry, go ahead. You got a guess, Silly?


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[Assistant] Todd Sauerbaum by the, uh, by the Carolina Panthers, like back in, I don't know, I can't remember when it was, $5.68 million for those guys. Okay.


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[Assistant] Let's take a break and when we come back, we'll discuss what players in this 2024 offseason are good candidates to be tagged by their teams.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the, the Patriots, the Patriots very often don't tag guys. Speaking of the Patriots, why don't we just fit this in real quick. Matthew Slater, retired. Uhm.


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[Assistant] This is probably going to fly to the radar for a lot of NFL fans.


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[Assistant] Because, but I think you can make the case that Matthew Slater is Bill Belichick's favorite player of all time.


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[Assistant] A bunch of guys who put up huge numbers offensively because of the changes in the rules, including his own teammate Tom Brady, like.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be difficult for a guy who's just a meat and potatoes, special teams guy to get in. My story is basically that in the Indianapolis, the 2011 Super Bowl, uhm, he had a podium.


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[Assistant] I was walking around for like five minutes like, I wonder if it was recorded on like the giant camera. Like, uh, anyway. Let's play tag them or bag them.


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[Assistant] Stagmer Vagabond segment is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook. Make every moment more. I'm going to give you guys a name.


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[Assistant] And you can tell me whether you would tag them, if you were the GM of the team, whether you think the team will tag them, um, and, uh, or whether you'd bag them and let them walk. We'll start in Jacksonville with Trent Bauchy, lover of long arms and hater of Jim Harbaugh. If Jaguars and Chargers can play this year, that'd be great.


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[Assistant] Uh, Josh Allen, linebacker, outside linebacker, pass rusher, edge guy. Josh Allen, former first round pick. Uhm, so it was a tag.


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[Assistant] It's a done deal. Uhm, I, I would expect Brian Burns is getting tagged. I would not be shocked if the Panthers used a non-exclusive tag and allowed teams to negotiate with him or


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[Assistant] It should also be noted, we've seen this, Frank Clark, uh, I think there's another example too, where you can tag a guy over the exclusive tag and just trade it.


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[Assistant] That happens, that happens all the time. Uh, edge rusher salaries currently. I mean, Nick Bosa just broke the market up to 34 million per year. Let's look at TG Watt 28, Joey Bosa 27, Miles Garrett 25, Montez Sweat, Rashaun Gary 24.


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[Assistant] Max Crosby 23 and a half, Khalil Mack 23 and a half, Bradley Chuck 22. It's like, you have to, these, both Josh Allen and Brian Burns are going to command.


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[Assistant] In that upper echelon, not the Nick Bosa number, but like in that upper echelon of, of contract. And so that's a lot to give out for you guys who've been inconsistent. I assume you guys would also be tagging Brian Burbs.


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[Assistant] Brian Burns, by the way, also just 25 years old at the end of his rookie deal because he was drafted at the age of 21, Josh Allen, 26.


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[Assistant] That's the thing is like, if you're the Jaguars and you have Trevor Lawrence and you feel like you've got a team that made the playoffs last year, you, you ha- like, you have to, like, you probably want to work towards a long-term deal because you want this guy in his prime over these next few years if you think you can contend. I, I argued on.


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[Assistant] Like, Carolina's better off tagging Burns and trading him and giving a first round pick because this is not a team that is built to compete for the next two years, I don't think. So, you know, I, I just think.


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[Assistant] You're better off getting assets, even for a guy that, you know, you signed to a big deal you have through his, you know, age 29 season. All right. Next we had to reach town. I'm guessing.


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[Assistant] John Breach, that you would not let T. Higgins walk out the door. My favorite fact about T. Higgins is that he was the first person drafted after Clyde Edward DeLair.


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[Assistant] I think they have to figure out a way to get them under a contract. You know, it's going to be like $23 million a year.


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[Assistant] The issue for these teams and these wide receivers, and we'll talk about a couple more in a second, is that when Tyree Kill and Devonte Adams were traded, they were adamant.


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[Assistant] Their agents were adamant, or they were adamant, or someone was adamant, that no matter what, and the same thing with Deandre Hopkins, he was traded too, originally to the...


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[Assistant] Cardinals, they wanted to be the top paid wide receiver by some metric.


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[Assistant] And they didn't care how they got there. If it was funny money, whatever it was, they just wanted me to say I'm the top bidder. So they get traded and they have these contracts where.


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[Assistant] To convince these wide receivers to say, take less on your average annual salary, even though you're getting more guaranteed because of those inflated top end contracts. Next up. Giants running back. Saquon Barkley. Fagum or Tagum, Sully?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the only reason this is even a conversation, honestly, because the tag would be $12 million. It would put in.


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[Assistant] He would be the fourth-ish highest paid running back. He was the, you know, third, fourth and fifth highest paid running back by McCaffrey, Kamara, Jonathan Taylor, and Nick Chubb, Red Bull Jonathan Jacob, Josh Jacobs, excuse me, Josh Jacobs, who, uh, got the tag last year, assuming he didn't get tagged again. And it's like, ownership is the ownership loves him.


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[Assistant] You wouldn't allocate $12 million of your salary cap, even if it's going to be 250 million, like you still wouldn't want to do it for a running back who's been injured is going to be unhappy on that tag and it's going to leave after next year anyway. So I think, yeah, maybe it's a situation where you don't tag him, let him go test the market, see what he can get.


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[Assistant] If the market's really soft and it usually is with these running backs, especially when you got like Derrick Henry is going to be out there, you know, this is not an easy market.


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[Assistant] Maybe he comes back and signs a lesser deal with the Giants that.


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[Assistant] You know, everybody can sort of save a little face. I think that's probably the best outcome there. Said to New England, Sully. Also, North Carolina, technically. Lenore Rhyne. The man drafted by Nike, the dog, Bill Belichick's dog.


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[Assistant] Patriot safety, Kyle Dugger during the COVID draft. Maybe the greatest draft moment of all time. Uhm, you tagging, you tagging Kyle Dugger?


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[Assistant] Be the fourth highest paid safety, I think. Uhm, cause the number is...


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[Assistant] Above Jesse Bates, behind only Derwin James, Megan Fitzpatrick and Jamal Adams, who I think is probably getting cuts. So maybe the third highest paid safety. This is really one I think that with the new head coach, young player.


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[Assistant] And like I said, we've got tons of cap space, so not a huge problem there. Uhm, have you heard anything, Sally, about that? Like a possible deal?