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[Assistant] I got into the, if I was had, if I was an offensive coordinator, a head coach, who would I want a quarterback? And I, I want Deshaun Watson. Take Deshaun. I would, because not that he has the threat of running that Lamar does, but there's still a threat there to where you'd be able to do some of it. But then I think his, you know,


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[Assistant] His pocket pass- Deshaun Watson's a pocket passer. Right. Who just happens to have the ability to run. That's really the best way we should explain. He wants to dice you up with his right arm. And then when he just can't find anybody open, he's got the luxury of having some good legs and playmaking ability. But he is really a pocket passer at heart.


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[Assistant] And I think that's where I like him. I think he would translate to more offenses, and I think he'd translate to more pressure on defenses on a week in, week out basis because of that.


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[Assistant] I know, I know, but, you know, again, the one thing we could say to that, right, is that other guy that the team's gonna be in the playoffs...


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[Assistant] They'd be two and seven. Right. Or one and eight, maybe.


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[Assistant] You know? I mean, really. And I'd go, if you put Deshaun in Baltimore, they'd be every bit as good, maybe better. That's just the way I look at it. Uhm, so again, it's a team sport that way, and I'm not gonna just be totally always overwhelmed by, oh, wins losses, touchdown interception. I think it's refreshing.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I don't, it just, it's, it's, there's more to it when it's evaluating a quarterback. And you know, with Watson too, what's not, you know, Watson's throwing right around 70%. You know, with no, he's second in his team leading and rushing. You know, see, he's talented too, and his defense sucks.


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[Assistant] So, he's got nothing to help him. And, you know, Lamar, where I want to say, yeaah, it's not the same year, but again, let's take into account.


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[Assistant] You know, his running is a big part of him at quarterback. So we gotta take that into account. The numbers aren't always gonna be great throwing the ball. The offense doesn't lend itself to that.


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[Assistant] The passing game is predictable. We're putting a little too much on Lamar right now, in my opinion, in the media, I mean. I hear too much of, what's wrong with Lamar? What's wrong with Lamar? I want to go, what's more with the, what's wrong with the pass offense? Can we have more concepts? Can we find other ways to get guys the ball? And that to me is more of an issue than Lamar.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, you know, I don't really look at it cause he had a few games where I went


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[Assistant] Man, he didn't throw the ball great. I haven't seen him do that since his rookie year or early as a starter last year when they just, when he, you know, was just, you know, his second year in the league, but his second, his first year as a full starter.


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[Assistant] There were some games where I went, aw man, that throwing wasn't great that day. I mean, it was okay, got enough, but it wasn't great.


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[Assistant] This year I saw it a few times early in the year, like the Chiefs game. I thought there were some moments of going, uh, and then the Washington game. But after that, it kind of stopped and it's been on point. So I don't know if there's any area I can look at to say he's regressed. I think he's actually gotten better in the pocket.


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[Assistant] The big thing is, their offensive lines had injuries, and the best left tackle in football is not there. Marshall Yanda retired. Their rookie, who I'm blanking on his name, who was a starter early in the year, got hurt. They've had to shuffle things around.


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[Assistant] People have all studied Baltimore in the offseason. I've already mentioned to you about other teams who run the Lamar Jackson quarterback runs. So those teams are getting defended in practice.


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[Assistant] The league, it catches on fire. That's how it happens. So some of those staples last year that we went, whoa, they're just gashing people. You know, this year they're getting four yards and that has a ripple effect. So now where the other things you do off of it don't gas you the same way and all that. So I don't look at it any way of on him. I don't, you know, um, but yet.


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[Assistant] You dropped him a couple too. I did. I dropped him a couple because I feel like, I guess what I would say is more of...


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[Assistant] I guess I want more of him to make it happen in the past game. I want a little bit more of what I've talked about with the guys previous to him. Hey, there's nothing open.


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[Assistant] You know, okay, move around, make a play, make a sidearm throw, do that. That's probably where I want more of them. I'm glad we talked about this because it helped to flush it out of my own brain. But I think that's where it is. But I also, that's where I want to stick up for them and just go, you know, like the Patriots this past week,


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[Assistant] They were all over their pass concepts. They got to put one more egg in the run-stop-the-run basket because they went, oh, we feel pretty comfortable about how we're gonna defend their pass game.


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[Assistant] And there was just too many plays where I go to the old adages, they just had guys right where they were trying to throw it.


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[Assistant] And in zone coverages. And that's when I start to go, oh, people are all over your stuff a little.


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[Assistant] There's something in the middle, and, you know, here's another one, because I saw this in Pittsburgh in the Kansas City game, too.


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[Assistant] You know, just having a little bit better of a feel like the Pittsburgh game. Hey, it's Pittsburgh, the run game. Hey, you got a throw here. You know, they got a great pass rush. You can't dance around in the pocket all day long. You got to make the move and get out or throw the ball or do whatever little nuances like that. I guess I would say he could get better at too.


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[Assistant] You know, all in all, it's still a lot of damn good. He's just not quite as on fire as he was last year.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to be chicken with these rookies anymore. I'm just telling you from now on, I won't be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well I've been burned by it, you know.


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[Assistant] People shit on me the year Patrick Mahomes didn't play. I had him in the top 32 quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Sorry, I yelled at you for having him at 29. And now people are going to yell because they've won twice. Yeah, I, again, whoopty-freakin'-doo.


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[Assistant] Have you watched the Chargers? That's where you gotta go. Go back from his first game on.


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[Assistant] Way to hang in there in the pocket with people all over you. Whoa, they're all out blitzing, he's got pressure, he throws it off his back foot 65 yards. I mean, it's off the charts good. It's off the charts good. And it's an offense that doesn't lend itself to great quarterback numbers. It's not like it's a wide open, you know,


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[Assistant] High flying Patrick Mahomes affair or even what Joe Burrow gets to do and be in the shotgun with all the spread stuff all the time. It's none of that.


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[Assistant] You know? So, to me, that's, it's been special from every aspect, let alone, he's a guy, again, you throw into that list that there's a lot of plays when nothing's there, you still go, oh, they got 20 yards because he made a throw that only like four people on the planet can make.


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[Assistant] I think that the ball in the game should be in his hands more. You know, I think that has to be, you know, this year's over, it's done, but that has to be the focus, and I would make it the focus even from here on out. Let's just make it all about our quarterback here at the end of the year.


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[Assistant] Let's grow him. Let's grow our offense. Let's make, he is not overwhelmed by anything in any situation. We've seen clutch drives, you know, even when they lost the Raiders game, man, his fault. He threw two strikes to the receivers to win the game. They dropped them. Sorry.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, he lost that game. Oh, he's only got two wins. Well, I mean, he can't catch it and throw it at the same time.


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[Assistant] But that to me would be the next thing I'd want to see. There's more of that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and not even, or just open the field more. Even the short quick passing game. I mean, he's good at it all.


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[Assistant] And you keep playing this game with the kids gloves and then you gotta rip these kids gloves off and go, whoa, we're in a man's game right here. And now you ask him to be a man all of a sudden. And that's where I think it frustrates me a little.


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[Assistant] Right. And see who he's got at the next level. Exactly. See if you can grow him and, you know, being at the line of scrimmage, calling his own plays, or you give him two plays and do that, but I think that should be, and either way, whether the wins and losses, you know, again, I'd love to see him win, but,


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[Assistant] You see them, their team again, not very many easy completions. The throws are all, it seems like they're all down the field for the most part. And he's throwing for...


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, you know, sure. You know, I guess you could say that. Yeaah, I know Justin Herbert threw the interception late and all that, but you know, I'm not gonna sit here and just go...


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[Assistant] Tua had a better day on that day. You know, his team was significantly better though.


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[Assistant] Or the New Orleans Saints. Right, they've fallen further. Or Tua, where I could go through a few games with Herbert and go, oh no no, he had to win the game. He had to make it a game.


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[Assistant] You know, the Bucks, the Saints game, the Broncos bringing them back, you know, the Raiders game where, you know, he brings them back, or not the Broncos, he had the lead already, the Raiders game where he brings them back.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, I mean, he can't close the game out, he can't rush the passer and do all those things too, but I've seen a lot of moments of where the game is on him.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And listen, I know there's a lot of Chua fans out there, and maybe we get to the end of the season and I got a better feel for him. I'll tell you where I think he might be. He's only played three games. I know.


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[Assistant] Who do you got at nine? Uh, going to Rookieville again. Going to Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] I mean, I've been so impressed with just about everything in his game, other than moments of going, aww, I wish his arm was a hair more powerful. I think we've discussed that. But even that, I've seen him, like, fix little issues with that as the years got along.


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[Assistant] You know, from the get-go, they've put it on him. Hey!


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[Assistant] We drafted you number one, we're not very good, we're gonna put you in the shotgun, you gotta throw it 40 times and you gotta pick them apart for us to win the game. Cause our defense isn't good, we don't have a great running game, in fact we can't even really protect you. So we might need you to just run and make some crap happen too either. And it's flying colors. Again, I don't care what the record looks like. You know, he does things on the field that


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[Assistant] You know, I'm telling you that I don't think there's team quarterbacks outside this top 10 that can do it.


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[Assistant] You know, whether, hey, his ability to throw accurate balls, process information,


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[Assistant] He gets into the conversation a lot where people listen to the podcast, they'll hear me say this, where I've gone, that's lucky, that's lucky, that's lucky. But I go, that's the seventh time this game I've said it's lucky. It's not lucky. It's not. He's got an innate feel and an ability to see the field.


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[Assistant] That very few people have. And then he has an arm that


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[Assistant] You know, great touch, great anticipation.


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[Assistant] You know, enough power to scare you down the middle and deep down the sidelines and then off of that.


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[Assistant] That was amazing. He broke four tackles in a six yard span there and got a 20 yard completion.


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[Assistant] Yeah. He hasn't had those moments. Not at all. I don't really, he is not a long ways away. He is ready for prime time right now. If they do this right,


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[Assistant] And build the team the right way in the offseason and things like that.


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[Assistant] They could be one of those teams next year where we go, man, they're a pyre in the AFC this year.


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[Assistant] I mean, I just, he's not gonna fall off. He's only gonna get better. Anyhow, like you said, he's just so well-schooled and everything about him is really phenomenal. Let alone clutchness and everything like that. So, uh, yeaah, I look at Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] And uhm, Justin Herbert as being superstars already, as rookie, on that trajectory.


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[Assistant] And I talked about this, I think, because you were still, you know, doing some of your other work where we weren't on the pod together consistently.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there was a few throws early in the season where I went, oh man, he missed some go routes and under threw some where you go, man, he, he should hit that. Uh, but he's really corrected it and he, and I've talked about this, he corrected mechanically a little bit. You know, if you watch him the first two games of the year, his motion was going to that opposite pocket.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's so wrong that, to think that, you know. You know, I, I heard Terry Bradshaw say it a few weeks ago with that Josh Allen, and I wanted to go, what?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I want to go, wait, Terry, you came into the NFL as like so inaccurate, and you got better. How could you say that?


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[Assistant] You know, I just, I don't understand. You know, you can change and get better. I've seen too many quarterbacks do it. See, everybody is getting into that conversation. I've said this before.


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[Assistant] As we use people who can't throw at all, as our example, Tim Tebow, see, you're not a natural thrower, you can't throw it. Yea, Tim Tebow can never throw anything. At no point.


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[Assistant] He's a great runner, a great athlete, and that's it. So it was never natural to him. To people who it's natural to, even though they might have some issues with this little area of throwing or whatever,


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[Assistant] When it's natural to a person, you can start to tell, hey, try this, do that, it might help you. Right. And they're, cause it's natural, they can go, oh wait, oh wait, you're right, that does feel good. And all of a sudden you fix problems.


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[Assistant] I'm going with 10 of health. You know, and, you know. I thought he'd be even higher.


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[Assistant] I thought about it. I'll tell you this. This is why Tannehill's not higher. Because...


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[Assistant] Not gonna lie, when I told you some of those ones I was deciding on, right? Hey, Lamar and Deshaun, where should I go there? You know, I was worried about that.


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[Assistant] I first, one of my original lists I wrote out, I had Tana Hill in front of Herbert Mburro.


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[Assistant] I did. You know what I basically got down to is I just went


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[Assistant] You know, they ask more of those guys than Tannahill. Tannahill is awesome and he delivers, but he gets to play a game where it just gets put out there for him. Now they need to change it.


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, he is a good runner, but he doesn't use his running to scramble enough and make plays happen, in my opinion. I'd like to see him more. He's too good of an athlete sometimes. He'd just sit there, wait, nobody's open. No, get out, move, go, do something. Be like Josh Allen or Joe Burrow and move around and do that. He totally has the ability to do it. Uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that's where, you know, in a game like last week, where you go, ooh, things are sputtering, impose your will on the game, Ryan Tannehill. And I think some of the guys I have in front of him impose their will a little bit more than he does at times.


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[Assistant] And, you know, it's why we're on that, too. We got Tennessee. We know we want to run the ball with Derrick Henry. We know that.


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[Assistant] They gotta do some stuff to keep people off it a little bit. The game can't just be run it, run it, okay, it's just going okay, the run game, but we got our play action passes, okay, they've been pretty good, but we still can't run it, and now we've run a few play action passes, and now the play action passes aren't open either. Okay, so what's the next move? And that's, you got AJ Brown and Corey Davis.


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[Assistant] Why don't they have more of the fake speed sweeps? Wide receiver screens? They don't need much, they just need a little to keep people off the Henry Run game.


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[Assistant] I think so. I just, when we were texting Thursday night, I just thought that's what came to me as I was sitting there watching it. I can't just always be two times to the right, we're gonna run zone cutback, oh two times to the left, we're gonna run zone cutback.


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[Assistant] Okay, now we're gonna be a play action and we're gonna try to hit a post down the middle or something like that. There's gotta be more to it to make the defenses think about more areas of the field.


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[Assistant] That's, that's what I, that's what I'm saying. Exactly right. He can be more. He can. They need to help him out a little bit. And then I also think he can press the issue a little bit more too. There's been a few games this year where I go, hey come on big guy, take over. You got the ability here to kind of make more happen than what's happening.


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[Assistant] Brady was up there. Breeze? Brady was up there. Breeze is not up there. Sorry, not in my opinion. Not to like the fringe top ten.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, the mind, the decision making, I mean, throwing the ball down the field as well as ever. But, a little thing I'll say too, hey, he's got, he's on an all-star team. Alright, I mean, the team's awesome. It's awesome.


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[Assistant] He's lost games for them this year. Let's not, you could really sit there and go, all three games, they lost. If you had to pick one culprit,


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[Assistant] Again, you could pick Tom Brady. You know, the Saints game was bad both times. And then the Bears game was the, oh wait, I thought it was third down game. And not that that was his fault, but it wasn't a great game by him.


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[Assistant] And, and, and I think here's just the button up at the Brady thing, cause I know that'll be a talking thing is, is all the things he can deliver you from, yea, experience and, and reading a defense and all that.


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[Assistant] Again, I don't think it's great enough to me to wear and go, wait, when there's nothing there, you know, nothing to be had, all these other guys can still make stuff happen. Yep. And that's just where, you know, you know, as talking to me, that's important to me. Derek Carr, also another name I had very close.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen, Jimmy Garoppolo area, and I believe I had him at 17 or 18. I'm sorry, 19. 19. Okay, good. Yeah. So, you know, uh, he's having a great year. He is. You know, and then also being more aggressive at times and doing things the right way. But to me still,


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[Assistant] The reason he doesn't make the list as compared to the others is...


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[Assistant] Those guys make a lot happen when nothing's there. I'm big into that. Tannehill, I want more of that. But Tannehill, I also gave credit to to go, man, if there's just a smidgen there to get a ball in the window, he gets it in every time.


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[Assistant] Perfect throw. And I have something there. There's something there to that too. So we'll see. You know, everybody asked me questions, whatever you want to talk about with my top 10.


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[Assistant] Man, what is it? I ca- I won't be able to ca- I won't be able to come up with it.


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[Assistant] Oh, I remember. That was the end of the play. That was the end of it. They changed it the next day.


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[Assistant] Are you sure about that, Pete? You sure it's not 42?


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[Assistant] I know. I can't pick, I can't get it either. Go ahead, tell me. M.D. Jennings. Oh, yep. Well, I never got it. Alright. That's good. I remember him, but yes. I don't. Yeah, he's not in the league anymore, M.D. Jennings. Definitely not.


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[Assistant] No, I think I would have said Doug Baldwin. When you first said it, I was thinking Doug Baldwin.


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[Assistant] Yep, alright, that was a good one. That's a, that's a long one, Phil.


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[Assistant] That's alright, that's cool though. But Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast brought to you by Verizon. Brought to you by Verizon. Is done soon today. Soon to be written.


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[Assistant] I don't know. They better pay me some good money to do that. I don't like my collars. Don't mess with my collars, man. But, uh, good stuff today. Seriously, you the man. Thanks for all the right questions. Tomorrow's Chris Sims on button PFTPM. Joint picks collaboration. We'll do that.


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[Assistant] Again, get at me with any of this stuff we asked today. I love answering the football questions. I really do. The audience has been great with it. My top ten, I know not everybody's going to agree with it.


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[Assistant] So let's discuss it. It's okay. You can even say, hey, screw you, Chris, on the way, if you want to. I don't care. We'll talk about it. We'll discuss. Everybody be good out there. Enjoy this week's of games, this week's games, and peace out.


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[Assistant] Uh, I know, it hurt, I'm sure. Uh, you know, I don't have much more, you know, positive things to say about myself either. Uhm, you know, I'm sitting here thinking, I know we lost the Bucks game, we had that, and we both had that as our best bets. I can't even remember what my other loss was.


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[Assistant] The Saints game, that's right. Man, and I felt good about that in the fourth quarter. I was really feeling like the Saints were controlling the football game.


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[Assistant] And they let that slide away. I do take some pride in straight up too.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm just 7 on 7. 7 and 7 for both of us there is not acceptable. I mean, it's really not. That annoyed me, uh, just as much as our best bets. But either way, I get to drive the ship today.


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[Assistant] Uh, because I beat you versus Fred by a game and beat you by best bet. So I drive, you know, which is, is a little more exciting when you do drive.


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[Assistant] Are you a heavy foot? Are you a Driving Miss Daisy type? How does Mike Floria drive?


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[Assistant] Depends on which car I'm driving. Oh. Leave it at that. Okay. So you mean like if it's the really fast one, you'll step on the gas a little bit? Is that what you're saying?


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[Assistant] It depends on who's in the car with me as well. Okay, so if your son's not in there, you'll step on it really hard if he is.


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[Assistant] Then you try to be your wife? Right, right, right, church wrong pew. Oh, yeah. Your wife, she's the one that gets on you. Okay, alright, that's good to know. I have a heavy foot all the time, no matter who's in the car. So there's where we differ.


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[Assistant] Alright, Thursday Night Football. Let's go. We got a doozy. Packers, 49ers. The 49ers are literally dropping like flies between COVID-19 injuries, everything. Packers coming off the tough loss of the Vikings last week. They are favored by seven and a half. We don't know who's starting even at quarterback right now for the 49ers. We're not sure.


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[Assistant] Over under at 48 and a half, Packers favored by 7 and a half. Mike, do you think the Packers will cover the spread? Cause I know you're gonna pick them to win.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hard to pick the 49ers. I mean, it really is. Just, you know, I'm a little with you, Mike. I mean, Green Bay won or lost to Minnesota or whatever. I think if...


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[Assistant] You know, this COVID outbreak doesn't happen with the 49ers.


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[Assistant] I think there's a good chance I might have picked him to win the football game tonight.


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[Assistant] I do think they match up well with the Green Bay Packers. And of course I think Shanahan knows how to crack the Matt LaFleur, Mike Petten code there. Uh, so that's where I think they have an advantage, but they're just too under manned. And you're right, the Packers are gonna be a little more on edge because they lost last week.


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[Assistant] And they're gonna realize that, you know, hey, this is their chance to go to California and win a football game like that. I'm gonna make it a little closer though.


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[Assistant] I am. I think the 49ers will show some fight. I think Shanahan will give them a few schematical advantages. I'm gonna go Packers 2420.


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[Assistant] And the fact that, yeaah, the Packers are motivated because they lost last week, but I think they're also going to look at all these players hurt and not playing, and that might make them a hair lackadaisical. I don't know what to think. Thursday Night Football is tough, but, uh, I'm definitely going with Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers in this one.


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[Assistant] Okay, well we can trigger him anytime, I don't care. Alright, so let's go to another one here. Kind of a fascinating game itself. I was a little surprised to see the spread, I guess. Bronco's at Falcons. Falcons favored by 4. Over, under at 50. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I mean, you're right. You're right. I mean, the Broncos are a little all over the place, really, in a lot of ways. They're a hard team to get a feel for.


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[Assistant] Their offense has been very inconsistent. Yeah, we saw them come alive towards the end of last week.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I mean, man, through three quarters, it was really ugly in Strugglesville. You know, the week before that, there was no offense versus the Kansas City Chiefs. The defense played well. You know, they had the Patriots game. It's just, it's, they're a hard team to get a feel for.


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[Assistant] Now where I ultimately, I think the game will be close because I don't think Atlanta's offense is schematically real special. They got some talented football players, but I think because of that, Fangio will have a little bit of a hold on their defense to where I don't think they're going to blow them out.


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[Assistant] You know, and yeaah, Atlanta's defense not great, but as you mentioned, under Raheem Boris and things like that, it's been a lot better. It certainly has. And Denver's offense, I just, I just don't trust it. I really don't.


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[Assistant] To where I'm gonna give Atlanta the win here too, but I'm gonna say it's close. I think it's a field goal type of game.


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[Assistant] Just because I think Drew Locke and Phillip Lindsay and company will be able to do just enough to kind of keep the game within a one score, always close, doing that against the Falcons defense.


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[Assistant] And I think that Broncos defense will make life at least hard on Matt Ryan and company. I'm going to go 23-20 Falcons. I kind of think it might be a late drive field goal type win, uh, for, for them, but we'll, we'll see where it goes. Uh, I have, I've had a hard time getting a grass for the Denver Broncos.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, right. Uhm, alright, here we go. Next one. It's one of my favorite games of the day. I can't wait to watch this. This is Russell Wilson, Seattle, going across the country to Buffalo. The Seahawks are favored by 3 points. The over-under it is at 55.


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[Assistant] We got two quarterbacks who love to throw the football and two teams that rely on their quarterbacks to make big plays throwing the football to win the game. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I'm intrigued by this one. I didn't have the gu- Do you got the guts to take the pills is what I wanna know.


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[Assistant] No doubt. It's the greatest thing they got going for them. And you know, I know I talked about this earlier in the week.


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[Assistant] When they fed DK Metcalf last week, the second half, guess what happened? The 49ers went to, whoa, we're going to play two safeties and help our corners. And then all of a sudden Seattle was able to run the ball and opened up a little few other things. Now they didn't have to really press the issue because they were dominating the game there.


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[Assistant] They can really change the way defenses play them if they attack with DK Metcalf anytime they get one on one. I think it's the greatest thing they got going for them.


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[Assistant] The Bills, their defense. How can you really think they're gonna stop Russell Wilson in Seattle? I mean the, the defense hasn't been good all year for Buffalo, but it's had some okay showings when it plays a team that goes, oh wait, they're all run.


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[Assistant] Or they're all pass, and then they can kind of hang in there, but Seattle's not that way. Yeah, we know they're pass heavy, and they're, they're gonna win the game with the right arm of Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] They're not so pass heavy to where they lose sight of the run game altogether.


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[Assistant] And I think that's really going to compromise Buffalo because Buffalo is going to be like, whoa, wait, we're going to get overpowered upfront by the run game.


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[Assistant] We need to help that out, but we can't cover DK Metcalf with anybody we have on our team one on one, and that's where they'll be in a bind. Now I think Buffalo's offense is gonna make some plays, certainly. I do. But I almost the same logic here. Seattle's defense...


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[Assistant] Can be kinda good when they play offenses they know are just one dimensional.


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[Assistant] And that's where, yeah, they might have a lot of people in the box this week to scare Buffalo from running the football, but they'll drop out and play coverage and do things like that. And they're always good for making a player to every game. That's what they do. They did it last week. They do it almost every week.


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[Assistant] So from all those reasons, it's scary, but yeah, I'm picking Seattle too. I went 35-27. I think this will be pretty high scoring and fun to watch, but, uh, I, I, I just, I'm like you. I don't believe in Buffalo. Playoff team, not a Super Bowl contender team. And, uh, Seattle is a Super Bowl contender team. Good. Anything else you want to say there?


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[Assistant] Alright, here we go. Baltimore versus Baltimore. Baltimore Ravens versus Indianapolis Colts.


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[Assistant] Raven's favored by two, got some COVID issues.


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[Assistant] But only Marlon Humphrey should miss the football game. The Colts have their own issues today that Mike, maybe you can explain here in a second, but the Ravens favored by two over under at 47. And these are two of the best defenses.


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[Assistant] Uh, in football to go around, not statistically one and two, but the Colts are two and the Ravens are seven. So this will be a physical football game for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I get you. It's one of mine that I got flagged here too. Uhm, the Colts defense is really good. There's no doubt about that. Uh, I think what scares me is the last time they played a team that could really run the football, it was the Browns and the Browns ran the ball on them. That scares me a little bit. And then the other thing too is,


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[Assistant] The Ravens just can run the football on anybody. It doesn't matter. I don't give a damn how good your defense is. I mean, look what they did to the Steelers last week. People can't piss a drop against the Steelers, you know, moving the ball and running the ball the way they did. So that's unbelievable. You know, as much as I respect this Colts defense,


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[Assistant] When you haven't played this offense before and have no experience with it and everything like you said it on the show today. You know, you said about Kyler Murray, there's no scout team quarterbacks that can emulate that. Well, it's the same thing for Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, right? To where


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[Assistant] You know, I just don't know if they're gonna be ready for what they're getting in here for. And with the, with the Colts on offense to the Ravens defense, I'm interested in that matchup.


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[Assistant] You know, the, the Colts offensive line should be able to protect rivers a little bit, definitely. But I think ultimately what scares me too there is, you know, the Colts are still a, they're a past first football team. Their run game is not scaring anybody yet.


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[Assistant] You know, or at least not to this point. We'll see where it goes. And I just think the Ravens, even without Marlon Humphrey, are too good in the back end. They're too creative with some of the things they do. And I'm going, I got a similar score to you. I'm going to go 30 to 24 in this one. I think the Colts hang around, but I think the Ravens clearly show that they're the better football team.


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[Assistant] All right, next game, Houston Jacksonville played a few weeks ago. Houston dominated them in that football game.


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[Assistant] This is Texans favored by 6.5 over under at 50.5. We got Jake Luton. Jake Luton is how you say it. Starting quarterback this week instead of Minshew in Jacksonville. How much do you have the Texans winning by, Mike?


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[Assistant] No, let's, let's, I don't need to waste time on this. The Jaguar's defense stinks.


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[Assistant] And the other team has the Sean Watson and some weapons at its disposal. And you're right. Jake Luton starting quarterback on the other side of the ball. I can't go against the Texans in that one. So yes, I'm, I'm with you. I'm going Houston here, 31 to 20.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I believe that's what they won the first time by, actually, when I just saw that. I believe it was 31-20 Houston, or no, it was 31-13, so I gave Jacksonville an extra touchdown.


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[Assistant] Where I just go, man, would I make this a best bet? But I get scared about making it a best bet when it's bad teams, and they're both kinda bad, and I just, you know, I always worry about that. Alright, here we go, the Carolina Panthers, another team a little bit all over the map.


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[Assistant] You know, it, it's, it's hard to figure them out and they're a matchup football team. The Chiefs are favored by 10 and a half Carolina going to Kansas City over under at 52 and a half. Do you have the Chiefs covering the spread or not?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, uh, I have a lot of similar feelings there. I got actually a similar score. I went Chiefs 34-24. I'm gonna give the Panthers the extra touchdown. I think what ultimately scares me here in this football game, you know, yeah, I expect the Chiefs to win. I do. You know, but,


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[Assistant] There's weapons on this Carolina team. And the Chiefs are the type of team that


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[Assistant] You know, they're not gonna just sit there and die slowly. They, they take some chances on defense. They will crowd the line of scrimmage. They will play one-on-one like we saw them do with the Raiders and some of those deep shots down the field. And I think that's what scares me about the ten and a half points and all of that.


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[Assistant] Where I think it's one of those games that, yea, Kansas City controls. Definitely. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] That Carolina will make a play here and there to go, oh, well, it looked like they were gonna, Kansas City was gonna blow them out, but oh, they, they're, they stayed with a one score game or they're keeping it within 10 points. I think it could be one of those type of things.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, uhm, but yeaah, I'm going Chiefs 34-24. I feel comfortable about the win. Uhm, don't think I'll be able to pick the best bet because of the reason I just said as well. Uh, so here we go. Next game. You ready for the next one?


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[Assistant] We're ready to go. Alright, Detroit at the Minnesota Vikings. Vikings coming off the


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, I get it. You know, this one was a tough one to me. I went back and forth with this football game. You know, ultimately, I think the thing that decided it for me...


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[Assistant] I do, you know, and the Lions are not a great run-stopping football team. They're okay. I think they're probably a little bit better than their statistics would say, but.


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[Assistant] This is a pretty good damn run attack that the Packers can bring out. You know, of course, Dalvin Cook is special. You know, Detroit...


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[Assistant] I don't know what to say with them. You know, I guess this is where I would look at it more than anything.


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[Assistant] You know, Matt's, where I got scared too is, they're gonna, I believe, have to win the game with their passing game. And the fact that Matt Stafford can't practice all this week.


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[Assistant] And Kenny Galladez re-aggravated his hip injury and all those things. It just scared me. I wouldn't be shocked if the Lions won the football game, but I think those things scare me enough to where, and then the Vikings who've played in some tough football games are all, you know,


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[Assistant] Battle tested from years of being in the playoff conversation and things like that. I'm gonna give them the edge here. And just that they've played in more of these type of football games.


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[Assistant] And because of that run game, and I just don't know what to expect with Stafford and the Lions. I'm going a field goal, Vikings 27-24. I think it's very tight, but I just can't ride with the Lions because of their history, because of Stafford missing out and anything like that.


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[Assistant] So you're picking the lines to cover? I am. I'm picking the lines to cover. I think they'll hang around, keep it close. I'm not gonna change it just because I saw that four point spread after I already picked the game. It's what I believe. I think it'll be a close one, but we'll see where that goes.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright. Now, Bears, Titans, Bears, Reeling, two in a row they've lost. Tennessee.


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[Assistant] Ugly loss to the Cincinnati Bengals last week and they are favored by six at home over under at 46 and a half. Do you think Chicago could go in there upset them or do you think Chicago would just go in there and keep it close and lose a close one?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, you know, I think the way you just said that at the end is the proper phrase, or at least the synopsis of how I look at it. Two teams that are desperate.


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[Assistant] The Titans are just a little more talented. That's really what it is. And have a little bit more of an offense that you can rely on to even though, hey yeaah, we're playing a good Bears defense.


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[Assistant] That, you know, they can do a lot of different things, and they moved the ball last week, a lot of the times. They kind of just shot themselves in the foot, missed a field goal, threw an interception in the red zone against the Bengals, all of those issues. So, you know, as much respect as I have for this Bears defense, and I think they'll be able to slow Derrick Henry and company down,


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[Assistant] You know, there's just more to worry about on the Titans offense than just that. Corey Davis and AJ Brown and, you know, Jonah Smith, they're, they're good damn players too. And that to me just gives them enough of an advantage to win the football game. Listen, I worry about the Titans defense, I do, but this Bears offense is not good enough to,


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[Assistant] Expose some of the issues the titans have. And, you know, the titans aren't gonna, they won't necessarily let up big plays. Like last week, what Joe Burrow did was he just slowly dissected them surgically. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.


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[Assistant] And the Bears have a short passing a game that's good and everything like that, that they might be able to move the ball. That's why I think the game will be close. But I just don't think that Nick Foles can make the plays Joe Burrow can.


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[Assistant] Nor am I necessarily sure. I, you know, the Bears receivers aren't as good as T Higgins and AJ Green and Boyd for the, the, the Bengals. So yeaah, I'm going Titans 23-20. I think the Bears hang around close, but, uh, like you said, the Titans are the better football team. Alright, next one.


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[Assistant] The Giants vs. The Football Team. And the football team's coming off a bye week. It's two and a half point favorites with the Giants coming to town. The Giants lose a heartbreaker to the Bucks.


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[Assistant] A game that they could've stole, a game that has like...


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[Assistant] To me, let down all over it, where, you know, you just talked about, like, well, we let one loss become two loss because we're still


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[Assistant] Festering about this has the feeling of the Giants still, I can't believe we blew that game against the Bucs and not being on their P's and Q's against the football team, Mike. And I'll just make it quick because since I've already talked a lot, I'm picking the football team to win 20 to 17 because of that. I really am. You know, I think because they had a little extra time.


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[Assistant] You know, and Kyle Allen, another week of practice and things like that. Their defense is very good. The Giants on the short week, a devastating loss that they should have won. I think it carries over to this week and I think the football team will win 20 to 17.


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[Assistant] Yep. All right. We got Las Vegas versus the Los Angeles Chargers going to LA. Chargers favored by one over under 52. Interesting game. Interesting matchup. Chargers got explosive players on offense, as do the Raiders. Chargers like to blow leads. Mike, what are you gonna do?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, um, I hear you with a lot of things. I mean, the chargers...


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[Assistant] Hey, they can make some big plays, we know that. I mean, with Justin Herbert's right arm and some of the receivers they have on the offensive side of the ball, there'll be some opportunities.


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[Assistant] You know, the Raiders, they're, they will play man to man. They got good cover corners. They trust them and they also trust that they know they don't have a good run defense. And I think they worry about that too. So they're always worried about trying to help their front seven to stop people that way. So that's where I look at it to be very interesting. The Chargers offense.


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[Assistant] You know, their run game, it's not special, it's okay statistically.


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[Assistant] They run the ball too much in my opinion, and that's why it is okay statistically. I mean, they're one of the league leaders in attempts per game running the football. When I want to go, wait, your offensive line's not good. The best part of your team is your quarterback and your receivers. Yet we make the focal point, the run game all the time. And I can't stand it. It drives me crazy with the rate, uh, the chargers.


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[Assistant] I think because of that and that the fact that they're not a well-oiled run machine that way, this is where...


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[Assistant] You know, the Raiders will be able to err on coverage at times and do things like that. You know, last week, they weren't worried about the drop back pass game of the Browns.


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[Assistant] So they could put all their eggs in the one basket and stop the run. This week, I think they can almost do the opposite. Like, we're not that worried about the Chargers in their run game. Let's drop back. Let's try to stop the big plays from Justin Herbert. And then on the other side of the ball, I mean, the Raiders can do both. They really can.


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[Assistant] And the Chargers, as we've seen here, I mean, everybody's moving the ball on the Chargers. That's not an issue for anybody.


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[Assistant] So, I, I, because of that, I'm the same as you. I think it's a close game, but I'm going Raiders too. 31-28. They're tougher, they're more battle tested, they got the more experienced quarterback.


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[Assistant] I think they're truly playing for something. I think they believe they're a playoff team. And I think the Chargers just believe, hey, we're fun playing football, but next year's our year to talk about playoffs. And that, that's why I'll go with the Raiders.


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[Assistant] Anything else you wanna say? I'm good. Alright. No, I'm good. Now, this is a doozy here. You said it. Number one versus number one on their jerseys.


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[Assistant] Uh, Kyler Murray, Tua Tagovaiola, I can't say his last name still yet. I need to practice that one. But the Dolphins going to Arizona. Arizona favored by four and a half. Over, under at 48.


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[Assistant] I am very, very, very intrigued by this football game. I wanna pick Miami to upset them. I'm not sure if I have the guts to do it. I wanna hear you talk about it first.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's, that's good. I understand it. It's, it's, it's, there's a reason it's there. I mean, hey, the damn quarterback's good.


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[Assistant] And he, he makes plays. They got the number one offense in football. And I would say to you that they're nowhere even near being the number one offensive football in my eyes, but they're the number one offensive football because of that little freaking freak of nature at quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, they're one of the best running teams in football. They can't run the ball that well. They're one of the best running teams because he can run and scramble and do everything that way. He is phenomenal.


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[Assistant] I wanna pick the Dolphins to- to upset them. I think they match up really well. I do.


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[Assistant] You know, I think again, this is not an overly complicated scheme with the Arizona Cardinals. I think Flores has a chance to be all over this, let alone the personnel to contain Akaila Murray and the guys on the outside that can really lock up Arizona and what they do in the pass game. So that's where I really want to pick them. But, you know, Arizona's defense is pretty good and I don't know


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[Assistant] Where I'm gonna trust Miami right now. You know, hey Miami with Ryan Fitzpatrick, I'm gonna probably pick the Dolphins. I am, definitely. But I don't know about Tua yet.


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[Assistant] And Miami's run game isn't good enough for me to just sit here and go, well, they'll be able to run the ball and protect Tua that way. Arizona's run defense isn't special, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it doesn't matter because they can't run the ball good enough, I think, to take advantage of that or control the game that way. And I just don't trust Tua. I'm going with the basic reasoning of basically what you're saying. I'm just going, game's very even.


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[Assistant] Number one in red and white is better than number one in turquoise and white. And for that, I'm going to pick them to win a really close football game. I'm going to go 20 to 17 Cardinals. All right. Anything else you want to add to that?


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[Assistant] Nope. Did you figure out who the matchup was with number one? You teased us and you're not going to tell us ever.


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[Assistant] I don't know how to research that. They're telling us to move on. Alright. The hell with Pete. Alright, here we go. We got a quick one here.


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[Assistant] Death or death here is it's Pittsburgh versus the Cowboys. Pittsburgh's favored by 74 points. No, really only by 14 points. Over, under at 41 and a half. Mike, how much do you have the Steelers winning by?


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[Assistant] Yep, uhm, I'm going 31-6. I, I, I don't know. You know, I, I just can't imagine Ezekiel and Elliott and the company running the ball in them and I, whoever plays quarterback, sorry, like you said, it's Pittsburgh. And then that defense in Dallas, I mean, come on.


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[Assistant] Get outta here. 31-6, um, Bloodbath. I mean, really. I can't see Dallas moving the ball. Alright, we gotta go to break, so you take over from here.


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[Assistant] It's Drew Brees. It's Tom Brady. It's the two time, the two all-time touchdown pass leaders. And Brady's got the edge right now. By one, am I right? It's by one touchdown. By 61 to 560.


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[Assistant] Oh baby, that'll be personal. It really, really will be, but the Saints traveling to Tampa, Tampa favored by four and a half over under at 51 and a half.


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[Assistant] I know you're picking Tampa Bay. I know that. You've been on the bandwagon all year. It's your Super Bowl team. But do you have Tommy and Brucie covering the spread?


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[Assistant] Wow, yep. Alright, so you got the, uh, the, the Saints covering there. Good job by you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the Saints cover, that's right. Saints cover, Bucks win.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah. I mean, when I look at this, I think these are two of the better teams in the NFC. No doubt about it. I think the Bucs are the best team in the NFC. I think we both do. I don't care what it looked like on Monday night. It's the NFL. Teams are gonna have a down week and not always play perfect. There's not that big of a difference between the best teams and some of the worst teams in football.


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[Assistant] So yea, they were sleeping a little bit. They won't be sleeping this week. They know what they're dealing with. They know, you know, the ramifications of the football game, everything about that. It's going to be physical, no doubt. But ultimately, I just come down to like,


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[Assistant] You know, two things, and you heard me say this a little on PFT this morning.


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[Assistant] You know, the Bucs have the best defense in football, or is it sec-, it's the number one defense in football. They can do it all.


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[Assistant] I mean, they really can. They can play zone, they can rush the passer, they can stop the run.


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[Assistant] They can play man to man. Their corner, Carlton Davis. Check him out everybody on Sunday Night Football number 24. He's one of the best corners in football. He is locked down corner. I mean, he's that special.


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[Assistant] And they don't let up a ton of big plays. The Saints, I just, you know, on the, the Saints on their defense against Brady, and as, as balanced as that Bucks offense is, and they can protect the passer, and they got all these weapons, and now here comes Antonio Brown.


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[Assistant] You know, I got a lot of respect for the Saints defense, but I don't know how they stopped that group, let alone the Saints, even though a top 10 defense in yards and everything like that, they're one of the worst as far as points allowed. They're letting up 28 points a game right now.


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[Assistant] You know, that's not good against a balanced offense that can beat you any way they want and can create big plays and do all those type of things. So because of that and then the Saints offense and their inability to create big plays on the offensive side of the ball, I just don't think


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[Assistant] Drew Brees and Sean Payton, our company, are gonna be able to keep up with.


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[Assistant] 12 play 80 yard drive, 12 play 80 yard drive when, yea Tampa might have some 12 play 80 yard drives, but I bet you they have a few that are like 4 play 75 or 6 plays 80 yards for a touchdown. And there's a difference in that. There is, it takes the pressure off an offense, everything about it.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay, fine. Screw Pete. Okay, fine. Don't worry about Pete. The hell with him. All right, here we go. New England, seven and a half point favorites against the Jets who are the worst team in football over under at 42 and a half. Seven and a half points is a lot of points. I mean, for New England, I, I, I'm, I'm interested to see what you got here with the score.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, you know, I-I-I'm gonna pick the Patriots to win too. I'm going 24 to 13. Uh, I just think it's, you know, more than anything...


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[Assistant] I just can't, you know, the Jets, they're just not good enough offensively.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, there's a weakness in the Patriots run defense and all that, but the Jets aren't good enough in the run game either to where I think they can just totally expose that part of the Patriots like a 49ers team did or anything like that. So, you know, with that,


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[Assistant] And still, they are New England, and Cam Newton really played awesome last week, other than that last play of the game. You know, I, I think they'll be ready to go here. You know, I think it might be ugly and tough and close, but I think ultimately,


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[Assistant] I think it's like a 17-13 game and they get a late score to kind of put it away, but that's how I see it. Uh, and I'm kind of excited for it, even though it's a boring game. The Patriots, I don't feel like are dead or totally out of this. And I kind of want to just see if they can salvage something in this season.


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[Assistant] So, you wanna release it off? You want me to go first? Alright, I'll start. Go ahead! Go! Go! Go! Go!


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[Assistant] I'm going with the Bears, alright? That's gonna be my first bet, best bet of the day. I am. Too many points there for me in that matchup. You know, Tennessee, the way their defense is playing...


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[Assistant] And, you know, the, the way they were, the ball was moved on them last week with a short passing game. The Bears have that, and I think their defense will keep them close. You know, I went 23-20, uh, uh, Titans winning the football game, but six points is too much.


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[Assistant] Oh, screw Pete, don't worry about Pete. Uhm, I'm gonna go- No, it's- the show's gonna end, and we're gonna still be talking. I'm going with the Raiders, because I think they're gonna win the football game. I can't believe the Chargers are fa-


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[Assistant] I'm taking the Steelers. I mean, it's 14 points. The Cowboys stink. You love those double digits. I do. And I hit on them all the time. You need to join the party. I mean, there's a reason it's 14 who we don't even know who the hell the quarterback is for the Cowboys. Good luck against the Steelers.


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[Assistant] And you did have a little coffee or some tea on the top of your hoodie.


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[Assistant] That was my, that was my exact thought as if I'm listening to that. I'm like, so, I was a little doubting on the, uh, clever nickname. Right. I'm doubting on your quarterback. You're judging him by his comments.


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[Assistant] It was a note to self to clean that up a little bit, be a little more positive. Quarterback Jeopardy is coming. Good, I can't wait. And it is hard. Right. And Pete Dee made it even harder than it needed to be.


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[Assistant] Easy call. I was telling you earlier, I got a call from one of the bosses in the evening. I'm like, did I?


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[Assistant] And these are good topics, which I mean, uh oh, here I am again questioning you. Are these your picks or are these Pete's picks?


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[Assistant] I think one of the fun parts about Wednesday is we kind of carve it up. It's not just a deep dive, both sides of the ball.


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[Assistant] Let's begin in the AFC South. Titans knock off the Colts 45-26. I think the point of this, or the main question isn't so much how do they win. It's not a giant surprise that they found a way to win in even that series and to go up by one in the division. I think it's how are they so dominant?


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[Assistant] And beating this defense and it's really Titans offense, Colts defense. How do they dominate that group? That's been really good.


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[Assistant] And I always like to tie in what we saw last from whatever team we're focusing on. So the week before, Aaron Rodgers and company didn't score a touchdown in that second half against the same Colts defense. The last time they were on that field. So you mentioned the first touchdown.


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[Assistant] Tennessee scored touchdowns on four of their first five possessions. Right. It's gotta be about more than just the fact that DeForest Buckner wasn't there.


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[Assistant] I think the past production numbers for Tennessee are so interesting when you connect them with the run game. So you have Brown and Davis, seven catches, not a lot, but 168 yards out of those catches. And I know AJ Brown catches and runs in a very strong, fast way after he gets the ball, but those two have to


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[Assistant] They have to go together somehow at this point of their identity that they run it so well and that their yards per catch in these important games are so high.


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[Assistant] I want to hear about this, but I can't tell you how many times I wrote down in my pages and notes looking at this one, haven't seen a running back all year.


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[Assistant] Hit the linebacker part of the defense before he's even touched. Right? I mean, if that was a stat that was kept, and Pete, let us know if you have that one. I don't think you do. Uh, but just unofficially, the eyeball test of watching a game and thinking, where's the D line? Exactly right. He went through the offensive line, D line part of the line of scrimmage, untouched more than any back I've seen all year.


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[Assistant] So as for this mismatch that you brought up and have kind of highlighted the details of it, a couple of questions. Number one, why...


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[Assistant] How come it wasn't there two weeks ago when the offense looked so out of sorts when they lost to the Colts?


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[Assistant] We've got some really good numbers here on Derek Henry. Pete, I don't think, I've been watching Chris, I haven't seen the screen. Have we put those up there? Nope, I don't think we have. If we have, I haven't seen it either. Okay, so 27 carries, $1.78, three touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Uh, three, three running touchdowns in the first half, including that one kind of swing that he caught out of the backfield. Right. Uh, there it is right there. Couple things to add onto that. Eight straight road games with over a hundred rushing yards, size Chris Johnson.


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[Assistant] Second longest streak since the 1970 merger. And I'm gonna shrink that down a little bit too since they came off the field of that bad loss to the Colts a couple weeks ago.


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[Assistant] Beating Baltimore and then beating Indy, 55 carries, okay, for 3-11 in two games they had to have.


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[Assistant] Clearly. Yes. Certainly looked that way in that game. Yeah. Back to the MVP thing, because I think it's a really fun conversation. Right. If you look at it as in a question, not who's the MVP, but which one of these three players has the most to do with their team who's in first place success? Yeah. Does that change it or tilt it to Henry?


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[Assistant] Yes, yeaah. It seems like it's one that's, none of it's easy, but easier to maintain, because the one B there is Tannahill, who for most of the season has played really, really well too.


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[Assistant] And there's other two guys you mentioned, although it's hard to find a weakness with Kansas City. But the identity in Tennessee is terrific.


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[Assistant] Let's start with, uh, or let's continue this with Buffalo's approach offensively. So much of their story when they got off to the awesome start in September was Josh Allen was, his efficiency was better. He was connecting on the downfield shots.


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[Assistant] Now you take this one game, we saw the numbers, he's only 18 out of 24. The top two running backs Singletary and Moss carried it 20 times.


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[Assistant] So they led with the run and defense. It wasn't, hey, we got a bunch of Josh Allen coming at you and we'll be okay in the run. We'll be okay on defense, but we're going to win anyway. Yeaah. Now it was Josh Allen as the third most important. You're right. After defense and run game and that looked different.


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[Assistant] 18 out of 24, those are very efficient game manager type numbers. Stephon Diggs didn't have a catch in the first half. I know. Had a big play on the passenger


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[Assistant] I know. That wasn't a quarterback draw, but they have quarterback draws called for him. He does a good job with it, but he's not gonna just go down.


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[Assistant] Right. Okay, so that's, that's the Bills offense. I think a lot of positives that are initial negatives with, wasn't great passing games. The Fondigs didn't catch the ball, uh, a whole lot, but they found a way to, um, to win. So, other side, Chargers offense, Bills defense. You kind of hit it a little bit.


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[Assistant] Is it the Chargers or the Bills defense that really is the headline here?


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[Assistant] Question, how do you win an NFL game when you turn the ball over three times? You outrush them and you hold your opponent to their season low. Seventeen is the lowest that, uh, I was gonna say San Diego. LA has had all season. Right. And even though they're used to losing, we're used to having a lot of highlights to talk about in those losses and they just didn't have many.


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[Assistant] Little bit troubling. Wanna get into some AFC championship odds provided by our partners at Points Bet Sportsbook.


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[Assistant] Bills and Titans both tied for third best odds to win the AFC Championship. Which one has the best chance of upsetting the Chiefs and Steelers? I think you answered that a couple moments ago. You're leaning toward the Titans, but give you a chance here to get even more specific.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a different way of doing it. It's not as sexy. It's really not as much fun to watch Buffalo as it was in September. But the way they've won for the last five might be more encouraging for December and January.


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[Assistant] Moving on. Yeah. Little over a week ago, the Raiders were clicking along. Six and three. Hey, look at this team over here. Maybe we should pay more attention. Kansas City got them. They got beat 43 to six. Right. As I mentioned on Monday, very collegiate-like score in Atlanta. What happened to Derek Carr and the Raiders offense?


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[Assistant] You have, you have an extra, extra racket. Right. It's a struggle. It is a struggle. I want to give a little credit to Jeff Ulbrich who's working along with Raheem Morris. Yea, we should, we should. One of the young coaches that I know is well liked and respected down there. So everything you've said about the Falcons defense, what did that have to do with Derek Carr turning the ball over four times that led to 20 points?


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[Assistant] Josh Jacobs, some kind of a sprained ankle in the second half.


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[Assistant] Never got to that. Never got to that at all. You mentioned something on Monday about this game. You said the Raiders allowed the Chiefs to beat them twice. How did that come into play here?


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[Assistant] Who the first time, for whatever reason, didn't really work out. And quite a few years later, he appears to be better off for it.


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[Assistant] Alright, from one quarterback who had some issues turning the ball over, that's Derek Carr, to another in the NFC. Let's go to the 49ers beating the Rams, 23-20. Tough outing for Jared Goff. Uh, real tough outing for Jared Goff. And I eventually want to work this all together with what happened in the entire month of November.


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[Assistant] He's disrupting you. Shut up, Pete. You sound, you're like, he's like Groot in my ear calling a play. Let's eventually get to the, to the pick six. Let's start, let's start a little bigger picture. Jared Goff on Sunday, your thoughts.


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[Assistant] Call them out directly a little bit. We gotta get better. I gotta get better. This is on me. Our quarterback has to take care of the football. He has to take care of the football.


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[Assistant] Let's say about 5 or 6 yards over his head. Over his head, right. To your point, even if he gets it to that guy, I mean, the defender is literally all over.


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[Assistant] And remember a month ago where we started talking about the Rams in the second half of the season. Yeaah. After their first game in November at Miami, beaten by the Blitz, poor decisions, turnovers, and now we're right back to that. And seven picks in one month, I think double-digit turnovers.


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[Assistant] Yet, they have seven wins. They're in a great postseason position. Yep. And the two games prior to the one that he just played against the Niners against the Buccaneers and the Seahawks.


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[Assistant] Huge wins, and he played really well. It's as maddening of a watch. I don't love or hate the Rams, I just like watching the quarterbacks. I want to focus in on where we're going to talk.


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[Assistant] It's, it is as tough a one to figure out as there is for me.


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[Assistant] But those big run plays and even the consistent 5 or 6 yard plays aren't happening as often. If someone wanted to defend Jared Goff and say, Goff is still fine.


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[Assistant] Defenses, like you just explained, have figured out his system more, and they're not running the ball nearly as well as they used to. It's not golf as much as it is.


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[Assistant] Teams playing them better, and the Rams not running the ball as well.


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[Assistant] Both quarterbacks we talked about recently in these last couple games, Derek Carr, Jared Goff, turnovers got them this weekend. And they both can kind of have a history of that. Carr more with the fumbles, Goff is doing them both. Which one of those two quarterbacks do you think will have a better December, better chance of putting it back together and having more wins this next month?


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[Assistant] To help that opinion and sake of this conversation.


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[Assistant] You don't very often see a month go by and within that month, a quarterback have double-digit turnovers. No, right. Especially on a


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly right. Right. Yeaah. It's a likely playoff team.


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[Assistant] We get to late January, they're in the NFC title game, you can say, I said on December 2nd, I wouldn't be surprised.


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[Assistant] I think it's interesting. I think it's good that you include the Rams in that group. I do. After how Rilly talked about not going to let one


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[Assistant] You mentioned the Saints for a moment before we get into quarterback Jeopardy here. Yeah, Taysom Hill. Yeah, I'd like to hear. I know you spent some time watching him. It was an easy win by Saints over the Broncos. I mean, they had zero passing games, right? They didn't have to do a whole lot, but in that 31-3 win, Taysom was nine out of 16.


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[Assistant] 78 yards, zero touchdowns, one pick. Very, uh, very subpar NFL quarterback numbers.


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[Assistant] So in his two starts, he's had one really good one. He's had one very average, or below average. They didn't need him to be very good.


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[Assistant] Would you rethink who you put in if Drew's out, let's say in January?


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[Assistant] Thankfully he got to have that kind of game against an opposing quarterback who was a free agent receiver. Right. From wake four. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Alright, it is that time. Are you ready? Oh baby, let's do it. Yeah, quarterback Jeopardy.


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[Assistant] In honor of Tyreek Hill's 269 yard performance that put him 14th all time on the NFL receiving yard single game leaderboard. Here's how it's going to work today. I'll read you a player.


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[Assistant] As it should be the easiest one. First place all time, Clipper Anderson. Yes. 336 yards, November of 1989 for Rams. Against the Saints.


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[Assistant] Side question, the year he was a first round pick, there was one other Big Ten quarterback who was a first round pick.


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[Assistant] 86 draft. Mmm. And there's a reason, like, the reason I, I mean...


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[Assistant] It happens. Yes, it does happen. Okay, for December of 2013, much more recent.


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[Assistant] Josh Gordon had 261 receiving yards for Cleveland and a loss to Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] Who was his quarterback? Oh, uhm, late season 2013. So if you want to trot out some numbers or just some names and pick one, that's fine. Like the first name out of your mouth doesn't have to be your answer if you want to brainstorm with us.


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[Assistant] Man. Just, just, I mean, part of the process. 2013? 2013. Gosh damn.


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[Assistant] I was going to guess Brandon Whedon. Pete said this is the hardest one, Paul. He's not going to get it. Yeah. You said, hey, screw both of you. Okay. I know, right? All right. Yeah. It is Pete and I against you. I appreciate that effect now.


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[Assistant] The playoff record for most receiving yards in the game held by Eric Moultz. 1999 wild card loss to the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] Who was his quarterback that day? Is that your answer? That is my answer. I benched Doug Flutie. That was premature because... Oh wait! It was Doug Flutie. He got a little overconfident. Wait, wait, what game was this? Say this again? Give it away in two seconds. What?


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[Assistant] Gosh. Still you're 2 out of 3. Yeaah. You're doing fine. I'm really 3 out of 3 in my own mind. This is the one, Pete sent me an email and said include this one. This one I think should be like a 700.


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[Assistant] I know you're familiar with the Cloyce Box game. You know it. Okay, he caught 302. They got a move. Cloyce Box? Four touchdowns against the Baltimore Colts back in 1950.


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[Assistant] What? Pete's saying something? Pete says, can you name another 1950s Lions quarterback? Mmm.


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[Assistant] George Plimpton doesn't count because you wrote that book with him.


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[Assistant] You've gone big on the Lions quarterback stage. The Chuck Long side question in the Bobby Lane for 400. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, I don't know, did the Lions play football in the 60s and 70s? I'm sorry, Trey. Alright, 500. November of 2006, Lee Evans from Wisconsin. Remember Lee Evans? Yeah. Lee Evans racked up 265 receiving yards in a Buffalo win over Houston.


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[Assistant] 06. He was on the other end of his 11 receptions.


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[Assistant] Damn, I'm good. Yeaah. And you know it. That was too easy. Yeaah. You took such pride in not breaking a stride there. Man, yeaah.


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[Assistant] It's, it's those basic white ones that got a very nice compliment from you last time. So I figured it was good luck. Yeah, they're on. So it's not slippers. I've got full, you know, full pants, got the whole thing. Just like I was actually there.


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[Assistant] When it gets to be November and you get there in your comfortable spot, you're watching games, you see the, the wind whipping and the flags blowing and the temperatures are colder. Don't you just feel a little bit more cozy that you don't have to complete a pass on third down and 11 when it's a 30 mile an hour wind out there for some quarterback to do that?


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[Assistant] Four turnovers, couple of touchdowns, couple of interceptions. A lot of things we want to get to here with our headline deep dive. But what's your first thought when it comes to Lamar Jackson, the Ravens offense, and how they lost to the Steelers yesterday?


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[Assistant] Right, and as you can imagine Chris, a lot of the homies with a lot of questions here via social, uh, want to get to as many of these as we can. Let's start with at notjpowell. He asks, did Lamar throw poorly or did it look like the coverage, the coverages were confusing him?


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[Assistant] And it was, it's amazing Chris. It's one of those games that you watch and between what your eyes are telling you, then you look at the stats, they have more than twice as many total yards. They outrushed them by 200 yards. You look at that and you're like, okay.


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[Assistant] The only way that a team is gonna lose that game is if the quarterback comes up with as much, as many turnovers to actually just give the game away.


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[Assistant] The only way they lose that game is if he turns the ball over three or four times, and you turn it over four times.


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[Assistant] Well, this is on the Ravens offense, but it's not just looking at this one game, Chris. It's comparing, really, it's looking at their three biggest games of last year. Uh, and he has not played up to his standard. The offense hasn't played up to their standards.


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[Assistant] What was similar yesterday to the Kansas City game earlier, to the Tennessee game that ended last year that wasn't very good for Baltimore?


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[Assistant] And by doing so, they're basically saying, we're stopping your run. I want to see if you can pass. We're not even hiding it. We're going to stop the run. You go ahead and try.


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[Assistant] I think you recognizing that and pointing it out that it was happening in the last couple of drives. It wasn't something they ran up the flagpole in the second quarter and said, let's see if this works and see what happens. When they needed to stop the most, that's what they did. Isn't that an NFL defense saying what some people are wondering right now is that if you have to pass, can you really do that?


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[Assistant] They put themselves there. It sounds to me like Chris, like my summary from watching so far and from listening to you, I mean, I think 85% of the teams would sign up for what they have, but right now it sounds like a team that's good enough to go 13 and three, but once they get to the playoffs, unless a giant step is taken with this offense led by Lamar Jackson, it's going to be disappointment again.


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[Assistant] And with your question about being schematically creative, and I do want to get onto Roethlisberger and the Steelers offense a little bit, uh, but Cody McKenzie asks, do the Ravens formations limit their offense? That's his question, and I want to ask, if so, how?


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[Assistant] Okay, flipping it now to the Steelers side of the ball. Let's start with this question from Ezra Giesling. The question is, are the Steelers the most complete team in the NFL? And let's focus on that from the offensive side.


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[Assistant] Do you think Pittsburgh can keep winning, keep doing what they're doing while Ben Roethlisberger, and this is a pattern, is playing at an efficient level and playing really well, but his yards per completion often is less than 10 yards per completion. I mean, how much longer can they keep winning this way?


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[Assistant] Is it a fair, I guess, criticism, uh, to point out that they're not getting a lot of yards per completion or is it a compliment to their identity? They're saying, this is who we are. This is what our quarterback can do.


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[Assistant] All of those and make sense of them. Uh, as for Baltimore's defense, I always like to, to kind of spin it forward when a team does well against one of the better offenses. You pointed out they're very good at corner. They're very good upfront. I know that. So other teams can't copy the personnel, but can other teams look at that film where they for the most part got the better of the Steelers offense and say, we're going to apply that to our game plan against them.


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[Assistant] Alright, before we wrap up and put a bow and set aside that really the marquee matchup of the weekend, uh, final thoughts there on Steelers or Ravens, either one of those teams?


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[Assistant] It wasn't good enough to win, uh, but it was much better than it was last weekend. The numbers, the production, they had a couple of touchdown drives, uh, but they lost and it was a pretty ugly game.


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[Assistant] More encouraged by the Patriots or just disappointed in what they've been doing here recently?


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[Assistant] I want to bring it back into this game that the Bills knocking off the Patriots 24-21. Couple of questions from our friends at Derek Rudolph says comment on the Bills ability to turn their past first offense into a complete round attack for the win. Singletarian loss rush for 167 combined.


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[Assistant] Well, this next question I asked now pulls away from that game a little bit and kind of speaks to this question people are talking about now between Belichick and Brady.


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[Assistant] Josh Love fan account says, is this past season showing us just how valuable Brady was? Did we overrate Belichick a bit or is this mess of a team not his fault?


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[Assistant] Right. That's a very good perspective, but I think this is what a lot of fans are thinking. I watched the highlights this morning with my oldest son, and after the Patriots highlights, he looked at me and goes, ah, so it was Brady all that time, huh?


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[Assistant] Okay, next close game, we want to take a closer look at Vikings. Surprisingly, I mean, how often does last place in the division go on the road to first place and win 28 to 22? Let's start by taking a peek here. We have a graphic of a Kirk Cousins passing chart.


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[Assistant] Against, uh, the Aaron Rodgers passing charts. And these are always fun, Chris. It kind of, for those of us, for everybody who can't see at home, they're just listening and not watching. What exactly are you seeing here?


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[Assistant] I have a question here that's kind of extreme from at bird Grayson and it's to your point there. He says, can you expose the Packers defense for being complete bombs for an entire decade? Mike Patton is horrible and the players couldn't tackle a garbage can.


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[Assistant] Major issues. I mean, Aaron Rodgers can be as wonderful as he wants. They can't stop the run at the pass at the same time unless they get drastically better. You're not talking about a team that can succeed in January.


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[Assistant] As for Aaron Rodgers and also Devonte Adams, I want to connect something that was important yesterday to something that was really important in the game, the way they just kind of rolled over the Texans last week.


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[Assistant] We answered the question and dealt with it. Why wouldn't they double and spend more attention, uh, or give, give more attention to Devonte Adams? Well, the question here from, uh, Aniket Tupaldi says when the Vikings were without their top corners, why did Green Bay not pepper Devonte Adams as they did last week?


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[Assistant] So the Packers getting upset at home by the last place team in the NFC North of Vikings that opened the door for the Bears. It's amazing how inconsistent they've been, but if they win yesterday, the Bears would be in first place. Somehow they took the Saints to overtime and they lose 26 to 23. Let's zoom in on the.


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[Assistant] I guess the back half of the third quarter and fourth quarter here, I actually turned away from this game to do other things, Chris, because even though the Saints I think were up by like 10, it felt like they were up by like 30. They were rolling. The Chicago offense looked dreadful. How did they come back and send this to overtime?


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[Assistant] Uh, the inconsistency, the play calling and the offense that can be maddening to watch at 1893-02 says, why are the Bears so Jekyll and Hyde on offense and is there hope for improvement?


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[Assistant] No matter how Matt Nagy is calling the game, and no matter how the offensive line plays, no matter if it's Nick Foles or Mitch Trubisky,


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[Assistant] What kind of advantage or disadvantage do they have tied end receiver running back?


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[Assistant] And I think one of the numbers that's very telling, uh, Pete just confirmed it with me. Drew Brees' average throw downfield was just over five yards downfield. His average attempt, which was I think pretty easily the lowest in the NFL, about three weeks ago,


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[Assistant] Yes? Yeaah. Green light? Green light to move out to the AFC West? Let's do it.


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[Assistant] This is the one I've been looking forward to the most and that there were some really fun close games yesterday. Uh, but it's kind of a man crush game for you a little bit to be honest with Drew Locke playing for the Broncos, Justin Herbert for the Chargers and just like the Saints game where I kind of turned away at a point in the second half and said there's no way Chicago's coming back.


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[Assistant] I turned away from this game and said there is no way the Chargers are losing this game.


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[Assistant] If you're, if you're watching it at a clinic, you can say, this is where you should turn your head around. But besides that, he played it really, really well and won that battle. Like you pointed out, I love that game watching it. When I turned back to it at the end, I hated that that allowed the Broncos to be down there so close.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, big time sorry. I know the Broncos record isn't very good, but two weeks ago when they lost to New England, I thought Drulock did some really good things the way he aggressively pushed the ball downfield. Before I talk about Herbert, let's hear Drulock a little bit.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry. They did not look good. Their offense didn't really look that good in doing so, but you're right. They did find a way to beat the Patriots. But let's give Drew Locke a little love here as he found a way to bring them back when it looked like they were dead. Best thing you can say about Drew right now.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow is probably the safer pick for the entire career, but Herbert has to win rookie of the year, right? I've not been this impressed with a flashy rookie quarterback since Deshaun.


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[Assistant] Could have been Russell Crowe in there and Gladiator yelling, victory is mine. Is that him? I don't think that was.


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[Assistant] Pete says we're doing the research. Hey, Joe Burrow. Yeah. Bengals beat the Titans 31 to 20.


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[Assistant] Exactly. You expected him to be good, Chris. You expected him to, at the very least, uh, show promise this season. He's done more than that. In what way has he surprised you and been even better?


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[Assistant] I think if I'm remembering correctly Chris, and we talked about him so many different times this past spring, that even though we were adding up, uh, the compliments and reasons to believe in him as the number one pick,


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[Assistant] One question about the other team, the losing team there, Tennessee, at new evolving says, uh, did the Titans have a hangover from the loss to the only unbeaten team in the league? That's Pittsburgh last week, or is Joe burrow just that good?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'd like to know what that defense did and since it's a victory lap and you've been, you have pointed out the good of Brian Flores. So what stamp did he have on that? And why is the Rams offense so, so inconsistent? Like not from month to month. It's literally from week to week.


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[Assistant] Ouch. Ouch. Someday you can tell me, someday you can give me the name off camera of that, uh, of that tackle.


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[Assistant] Did not do what he was supposed to there. Alright, time to take it up to 100, presented by Head & Shoulders.


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[Assistant] Josh Jacobs. Raiders knock off the Brown 16 to 6. He goes 31 carries for 128 yards, both career highs.


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[Assistant] Right, there's uh, four and three. Winning record now, early November. Yep. And that was Take It Up to 100, presented by Head & Shoulders, available at Walmart.


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[Assistant] Self-scout thyself. You've had your victory lap. We, we, we found a way to work in a trivia question that pointed out to your first win there, even though you had an injury to end it early. Seahawks defense, uh, the Seahawks beat the 49ers 37 to 27.


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[Assistant] Uh, Chris picked the 49ers because he thought Shanahan would expose the Seattle D. What say you?


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[Assistant] Uh, thinking about the Seattle defense, uh, this question here, Chris, at F ball breakdown says, what happened in the Seattle defense this week? I think they win as the bucks defense for Halloween this weekend.


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[Assistant] Ninth receiver taken. I'm going to say that a few more times. Uh, and Pete, uh, see you for the next show. If we can go back and find that soundbite and I'll put a date on it. I think it was three or four weeks ago where Chris and I was sitting next to him.


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[Assistant] I could tell it might have been the first time the words actually came out of his mouth. He kind of was a little hesitant, but I think he did say that DK was the best receiver in the game. So that's a project for next week. Carson Wentz.


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[Assistant] Nick Mullins, based off of what he did yesterday, is the guy


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[Assistant] You're thought on the Niners now without Jimmy G. Wow.


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[Assistant] Okay, Jimmy G. High Ankle Sprain out, uh, indefinitely. We're still self-scouting thyself here on One More Topic. Carson Wentz, Eagles beat the Cowboys 23-9. In your top 40 quarterback countdown that we had fun with this past spring, uh, you have him ranked number 6.


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[Assistant] He hasn't looked like it. He hasn't had the team around him. I mean, it's hard to name his receivers from start to finish. But thinking about the Eagles and thinking about that sixth ranking, that sixth ranking, what do you think?


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[Assistant] Back it up to the 49ers for bad reason here, Chris. We talked about Jimmy Garoppolo, a high ankle sprain out indefinitely. Uh, this one may be even worse. Pete just told me George Kittle. Did you say fractured foot, Pete? Fractured foot could miss the rest of the season.


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[Assistant] Think about how much different the job is for my defensive coordinator for the Packers on this short week of getting ready for this offense without George Kittle.


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[Assistant] Yeah, too bad. 49ers going for already. Jimmy Garoppolo out indefinitely. George Kittle, fractured foot, could miss the rest of the season. Alright, let's finish up here with Give Me the Headlines presented by Hyundai. It is time for Give Me the Headlines presented by Hyundai.


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[Assistant] You have to go back a long time, a long time, Chris, 10 years ago, probably where we're talking about watching Philip Rivers play with his aggressive way, while knowing that the defense is the best part of his team. So maybe I should tone it down a little bit.


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[Assistant] Colts-Titans tied at the top of the AFC South 5-2. I believe they play on a Thursday night coming up here pretty soon. Uh, one more. Give me the headlines here. Chiefs beat the Jets 35-9.


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[Assistant] Expectation level is so high, Chris. And his numbers were a lot better. The passing game played a bigger role. But they win 35 to 9. I think last week they won by 26 or 27 points. And it was the same kind of reaction.


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[Assistant] It was like, yeah, okay, yeah, they, they won big. What other game can we talk about? It says, I mean, that's, that, that's how high the bar has been set.