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[Assistant] Couldn't throw him in the top five and nor do I think he's a first round talent because of that. You know, you know, first off, I think he's a little raw at the position.


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[Assistant] You know, he's not gonna square up blockers, really. He's not gonna do that.


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[Assistant] He sees running lanes and doesn't fill it. Um, and he is one of those guys I talk about where it's like, hey, there's a huge hole right in front of you. They're, they're running at you.


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[Assistant] Go up there, make the tackle. He'll kind of just sit at five yards and wait for them to come and hope he can make the tackle then. And that's even, you know, a little at times not a for sure thing because he's not the greatest tackler in the world. You know, he's not a physical hitter that way.


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[Assistant] You know, and I wrote, just looks uncomfortable in the trash at the line of scrimmage, mixing it up with the big boys pulling guards and those type of things. He wasn't real natural at all that, you know, and there just was too many missed tackles. So I think those were the biggest reasons of why I'm a little more down on them maybe than most.


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[Assistant] I think he probably still goes in the second round because he's what, 6'4", 234 and ran what, 4'3", and jumped 41 inches or something like that. Yeaah, because of that, and you do see some of that on film.


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[Assistant] He will, I think, be a hair over drafted just because of those measurables.


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[Assistant] Not because of unwillingness. Again, it's not because I go, ooh, he hesitates or anything like that. I didn't see any of that.


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[Assistant] He is like, he's new at the position. He's not good at getting off blocks and maybe like being a natural at playing middle lineback because of the quarterback thing you talked about and all of that. Right. You know, so yeaah, there's that a little bit and he can be fooled a little bit again because he's seeing the ball from a different perspective.


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[Assistant] Where I look at him and like, and again, I don't think this guy's like a second round pick or anything like that. I just think he's interesting because...


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[Assistant] A little bit like we talked about with J- uh, Utsu Koremoa. Like, yeaah, he's a linebacker, but why couldn't you make him Kam Chancellor, or a German James type, and that type of defense? To go, wait, let him play safety, we don't have to depend on him all the time to be in the mix and take on pulling guards and all that.


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[Assistant] He can do it and get better at it, but he's gonna be great at all the coverage stuff and all the space stuff. That's where I just thought he was a little bit interesting that way. I ended up writing down, and one of the reasons I'm glad you brought him up, was just like, yea, he's a work in progress, like I said.


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[Assistant] He kinda looks not tough in his picture without his uniform on. I was like, can this guy really be good? Like, what? There's no way. And you turn on the film and...


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[Assistant] You know, the last thing I wrote is, he's tough. He doesn't back down from contact in any way. He just doesn't have quite the power and the strength to hold up against the big boys in the middle. But everything else other than that is really damn good when you talk about him running and coverage, all that type of stuff. Just interesting prospect, I thought.


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[Assistant] That was a thing, like Jim Kelly, I know he got recruited to play linebacker to Penn State, right? That was a thing a little bit back in the day, but yea, you don't hear that too often. It was when you had to play both sides of the ball.


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[Assistant] Oh, Baron Browning to me, if you had to make me call like a guy where I went.


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[Assistant] Here's a mid-round pick, and you gotta pick one that can maybe be a superstar. You know, Barrett Browning would be that guy. He'd be like what I would go, the Navarro Bowman in this draft, right? Navarro Bowman was, I believe, a third-round pick.


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[Assistant] Who, like, again, just for those who might not pay attention to NFL football five, six years ago, like,


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[Assistant] Was no doubt one of the three or four best middle linebackers in football. Oh yeaah. You know, no doubt. I mean the crazy thing was they had the best middle linebacker, maybe Patrick Willis, and they truly, you might have been good. The second best middle linebacker in football might be the guy right next to him. They were special, right? I mean you were out there in San Francisco. They were awesome. This guy could maybe be that.


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[Assistant] Twitchiness to the way he moves and shuffles inside the tackle box and does stuff like that. And they asked him to play on the edge a lot to that almost to where he was out over the slot receiver and everything like that.


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[Assistant] Man, he could be, like I said, Navarro Bauman to Mario Davis type of player, because he's got no physical limitations. I think he just gotta learn to like,


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[Assistant] Take a game over a little bit more. Trust what you see. You know, maybe get in the NFL and they simplify things in your role a little bit.


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[Assistant] And you don't have to worry about as much, because you got other players who are good too, where they just go, hey, no, just this gap.


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[Assistant] We don't need you to worry about the bubble screen and the C gap and the quarterback keeping the run play, right? All we need, we gotta, we have a great defense end who runs 4-2. Don't worry. He'll stop their quarterback read. Our, our corners will stop the, you just have to worry about this. Like sometimes that's how guys can thrive. He could be a guy that I look at.


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[Assistant] Uh, that, you know, little coaching around the NFL atmosphere where you go, mmm, he might be something one day.


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[Assistant] With a little less speed. You know, interesting guy, cause he played a good amount of defense at end. Uh, and has some pass rush ability.


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[Assistant] I think the big thing is downhill physicality, the teams that value bigger type linebackers, I think he could be on their radar there late second, early third.


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[Assistant] Right, probably the thing that stood out to me more than anything too. You know, he's, he's...


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[Assistant] A really nice natural guy. Yeaah. And you can tell he's got perspective and he's smart and the game means something to him.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, in my heart of hearts, so I go, yeaah, don't even say some of that stuff. Don't even, just, just let everybody else figure that out on their own. You know, you don't need to fight that way. That's why I'm here. I'm the big mouth with Chris Sims on button. I'll tell everybody that shit. Right? Right? But, but,


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[Assistant] Yeah, for whatever reason, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt or, you know, the talk of some of the positives that he does compared to some of the other guys in this draft class. I don't get that. So yeah, I think that does bother him because he wants to be great. I think there is that in him.


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[Assistant] To where yeaah, it's not necessarily fair, fair that way. You know, there's a lot of things we could talk about fair, not fair. Yeaah, I know, I mean there's been, you know, like we've talked about.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, other ones have been inconsistent, maybe like a Kell and Mon was, right? We don't talk about that. You know, we talk about the talent level and BYU, you know, that, you know, they're not great talent level there.


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[Assistant] But then we don't talk about as much, like I don't hear people on TV, hey, that point doesn't get made on the vice versa, about hey, Alabama comes in Ohio State, we're always way more talented, the game looked better. You know, there's like, that's where the themes of the draft drive me


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[Assistant] You know, going back to Zach Wilson, you've probably heard me say this already, and I'm going to say it again. But like, Zach Wilson, still, the number one thing you hear is competition, competition, the competition he played against, the competition he played against. But, and again, I don't care about any of this, I'm just trying to bring up the


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[Assistant] And his team was clearly the better team on the field like Alabama and Clemson and Ohio State in a lesser level of football, but it's not a question for him. And that's where I just don't get it. And that's where I think players like Kellen Maugham get frustrated at times because they're like, wait,


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[Assistant] I'm being questioned on this. Yeah. I watched this guy on TV. He had like three games like the one I'm being questioned on.


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[Assistant] But nobody's talking about it with him. But for me, it's the main talking point. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] No. Exactly right. Exactly right. But that's a dicey, dicey one and you can get yourself in trouble by doing that. You know, by what you brought up. Like pointing out the other guy's flaws.


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[Assistant] He doesn't need to do that. Let me do that talk and let your play do that talking.


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[Assistant] The smart coaches who really know are going to know that.


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[Assistant] Well, what you learn in the NFL is you just, you worry about you, right? You worry about you. That's all you can do. And it doesn't matter who you're competing on against your own team and your own coaching room or anything like that. They don't matter. It's about can you be the best version of yourself and can that best version of yourself beat out that


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's, you know, that's one of those that, yeah, that's a good situation for him to sit and learn and do all that. You know, you can always start off with that, and then you go through training camp and you start to go, wait,


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[Assistant] He can handle the offense, then you adjust from there. We've seen plenty of teams do that.


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[Assistant] You know? And I do think he's, that's why I love him too. You know, he is pro ready. He has been playing pro football the last few years at Texas A&M. With what he's asked to do with the lesser talent like you're talking about, he's had to throw in to


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[Assistant] As many tight windows and with people around him in the pocket as anybody I've watched in this draft. And he passes the test with flying colors over and over.


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[Assistant] You know, so, I would love that for the Washington football team. Yeaah. It, like, you're right though, right now.


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[Assistant] It seems high. I really think, I think he has a chance to be maybe a Jordan Lovish type of thing. And again, I will say, his film...


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[Assistant] Is way better than Jordan Love. And yet people had no issues with talking about Jordan Love as a first round pick last year. And this guy can't get first round love. I don't understand it. His arm is every bit as powerful. He's just as good an athlete. And then he's way more consistent and a better decision maker than Jordan Love. And I was a Jordan Love fan.


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[Assistant] So I'm just like letting everybody know. That's where I don't get it. That's where the draft is crazy to me. I want to be like, what? Like, but, but yeah, Johnny Menzel's that I drafted in the top 30, no problem. Nobody batted an eye about it. I want to go, his film kills a Johnny Menzel, kills it.


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[Assistant] No, listen, it's a good point. I mean, listen, the first thing I'll say is, I wouldn't have traded up to number three anyways, regardless. I don't think any of these Mack Jones, Fields, Trey Lance, I don't think any of them are top five picks at quarterback. I never have thought that.


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[Assistant] Lawrence and Wilson are one and two, whatever way you want to put it. I don't, you know, I think Wilson's one, Lawrence's two. That to me is a class of its own.


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[Assistant] You know, I did say from the get-go, he's a better prospect than Tool was last year. You know, again.


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[Assistant] That's another part of our point here. Nobody was mad about Tua.


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[Assistant] If I had the position of taking the third quarterback, yes, I would take Mack Jones. I am an elite trades guy. There's no doubt about that. Yes.


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[Assistant] We're like, I hope we get a quarterback at eight, and that's why we moved up. So I think that's probably the predicament they were in a little bit, right? Sure. So that's why I kind of came up with the phrase, like, I think Shanahan was taking fate into his own hands. He was kind of like, I don't know what's going to happen. I'm not going to sit back and wait. I'm going to be in the position of power. I think ultimately that's what he went to. Again, to answer that question, I know.


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[Assistant] What's different, and again, where I always try to keep myself accountable and scout and do anything like that, the way he plays is elite. I think that's what I gotta come back to.


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[Assistant] But his accuracy is way below elite. It's troubling at times. You know, the decision making also is just average. So yea, while he might have two elite traits, he's got a few other traits that I look at that go,


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[Assistant] You know, what's the opposite of elite? I don't know. What can I say? But he's got some bottom, bottom traits that I really don't like.


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[Assistant] And I think that's what scares me. Trey Lance a little bit of the same way. You know, so Mac Jones again.


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[Assistant] He's elite because he's the best decision maker in the draft. He's the most accurate passer in the draft.


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[Assistant] It's between him or Zach Wilson for the best that work within the pocket to move and slide and make those type of throws, right? So, there's some things there at the quarterback position that are really elite and also to me are elite in the ability to translating into the NFL.


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[Assistant] And I think that's why I would go number three. But listen, what was our man's name that asked this question? D.L. Book. D.L. Book. Listen, I'm...


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[Assistant] Fields and lands are some of the two of the harder evals I've ever done. I'm not gonna lie. Cause I see the eliteness, I do. I just see some things too that scare the shit out of me. And that's where I'm a little undecided about with them.


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[Assistant] Not a whole lot, no. You know, again, fields, it's never gonna look bad in any of that stuff. It's not. But some of the mechanical stuff, yeaah, it's still there. You know, I don't know, Pete, how many throws do you think we saw in that video we watched? I'm gonna say 20 throws.


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[Assistant] You know, again, you know my issue is, of course, we talked about footwork and everything like that, but it's really more than anything sometimes. Hey, when you're a quarterback, like we've talked about a little, you want to be able to turn that shoulder, create the opposites between the upper and lower body.


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[Assistant] Fields doesn't really get any opposites created. He kinda keeps his shoulder there. And then he does it, tries to do it with just the elbow. And doing it that way. And that to me is the biggest issue. And that's why even in a workout like yesterday, if I just took one take away, he can't just let it fly.


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[Assistant] That's where I wanna go, like if you watch the other guys, right, Lance, Mac Jones, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, they can let it fly. Like, I'm dropping back, I know I'm throwing that guy, and I'm gonna let it rip. I'm not worried about where it's gonna go, I got enough control to keep it in the general area. Yeah. Fields, to me, in the both workouts, has a little bit of like,


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[Assistant] Okay, wait, I'm in the line, and alright, let me throw. Okay, good, complete. Alright, I completed it. Alright, good. A little bit like, I just want to complete it. Instead, where the other guys are just going, I want to throw my perfect 100 mile per hour, perfect fastball. You know, and they just let it go. That to me is an element that, that he misses a little bit in these workouts.


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[Assistant] A little more, right? Right. He's guiding it a little bit. Yeaah. It's not a lot of arm speed there. It's a little bit of like, yeaah, I'm not quite sure where it's gonna go, so I'm gonna be careful with, you know, all my moving parts and things like that. Yeaah, it is. You're right. So, thank you. Yeaah. I pointed that to a few people. Oh, and there's Shanahan. Oh, Shanahan's there.


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[Assistant] It is coachable. There, there is. You know, those are, and, and, and Justin's Field's defense, it's not the greatest offense in the world. You know, they, they, because they are more talented or simple at times. And,


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[Assistant] Yeaah, there are definitely some of that, or just plays where you go like, really this is the only option he can throw to here, he's not covered, what is he supposed to do? Yeaah. So yeaah, I mean listen, I take all that into account. You know, but that's one of those that's, it's hard to project all the time too. You know, there are enough plays of, like I said, where


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[Assistant] You know, the inaccuracy thing, I'm not so sure how much you can coach that out of the guy. I'm not sure. You know, you're going to have to know the guy and have to work with him a little bit to see how quickly he can adapt and change. You know, and then that's the same with some of the decision making too. Again,


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[Assistant] Yeah, you get to know the guy, hey, he's smart, loves football, awesome, but you're still gonna in the back of your mind go, wait, I saw some plays where...


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[Assistant] You know, like, get off the first read. Go to the second guy. Get to the third guy. Or, hey, he got off the first read and the second guy's not open. Don't sit there on the second guy and now try to throw some crazy throw just to get it in there. Like, you know, there's just, there's stuff of that. So that's where he's tough to really, you know, pin down.


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[Assistant] You know, this, this is a good question. This is, cause there's a few layers to this.


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[Assistant] That they don't need to be perfect to get perfect results anymore.


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[Assistant] They've drilled it into them, so even like,


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[Assistant] Even when their feet are in bad spots, their upper body still stays in so many good spots and it does the right thing that they can make up for it, let alone they have tremendous amount of repetitions and then of course they're extremely talented, right?


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[Assistant] So, that gets away from it. But I think if like, we sat here and broke down those kind of guys, Josh Allen, Rogers, Mahomes, right? And we took away plays where we go, wait, like here's,


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[Assistant] Here's the play. Here's the first read. He got the ball. He looked at the first read and threw it. Your more times are not going to go as his mechanics were pretty.


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[Assistant] Like, yeaah, he's just talented enough, those guys are talented enough to do that. But that's through great work and repetition that got them to do that. It's like my little boy.


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[Assistant] Who wants to catch the one-hand Odell Beckham Jr. catch. I have to always tell them, no, but Odell caught with two hands 95 million times first before he started doing that. You know, Steph Curry, you know,


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[Assistant] And they've worked at it so hard that they don't have to be by the book to get the by the book production. You know, so does that answer that question there? Totally.


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[Assistant] No, but there are still, even with that, with Zach Wilson and those guys, their best throws are still, a lot of the times, when they're in perfect, like, mechanical positions with their body. You know, that's when they can maximize and do the most special stuff. The thing that makes them special is the things that I, we love them for so much.


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[Assistant] Oh, things aren't perfect and they're not in the perfect spot and the coverage was, you know, really good and nobody's perfectly open in their pass protect. Oh, it doesn't matter. They still threw the perfect ball. That's, that's what makes them who they are.


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[Assistant] Like the first quote, right? That first part about like, I'm not a chip on my shoulder, all that type of stuff. That's fine. Why would he? Everyone's been gushing about it. Well that's right. And not everybody like, you know, I think we're all a little bit like...


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[Assistant] Oh, Tom Brady's got the chip on his shoulder because of the six, six round pick. Yeaah. And that's work, so you need to have a chip on your shoulder. No, no you don't. You don't. Like...


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes doesn't have that chip on his shoulder. Patrick Mahomes just wants to be the best player he can be. He wants to maximize, and I think that's what Trevor Lawrence is like, I'm a competitor, I want to be great.


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[Assistant] Really, Brady's the most chip on his shoulder type guy we've ever seen, really. You know, from that standpoint. So, I have no issues with that, that aspect of that quote. You know.


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[Assistant] This, the Super Bowl thing. Listen, teams aren't going to love to hear that. They're not going to love to hear that. I don't know what else to say. When you're two years removed from Andrew Luck and the NFL. Sure. They don't want to hear that. That's, that's scary. That's still scary.


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[Assistant] That's where it like, it was a little bit with the Justin Herbert thing last year too, if you remember. He likes the bubble of Oregon. We're not sure how much he likes football. He's a real smart guy.


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[Assistant] So I think there is the, the repercussions of that still kind of reverberating through the NFL world when it comes to that. And then yeaah, of course,


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[Assistant] Nobody wants to hear the Super Bowl thing. Everybody's in it to win a Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] You know, I think he was trying to play the thing, like they were trying to play this angle of like, I'm more than just this meathead football guy. Yeah. And you know, I love football, but it's like not the end all be all. And I'm not like, you know, like he's saying he's chippy or crossing people off a list and keeping names and doing all that stuff.


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[Assistant] It does look a little weird. Like, I can't deny that. Especially when...


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[Assistant] We've gone through the last two weeks of people questioning Justin Fields and his love for football and doing all that. Like, listen, I think we'd be doing Justin Fields an injustice if we didn't bring this up. You can't have that kind of talk around him with no evidence to back that up. None. I mean, no evidence.


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[Assistant] Oh, the guy that got Big Ten Football back on playing football, he's not the one that, like what? You gotta have some evidence there, or say something to me for me to ring true that way. And yeaah, like I'm not gonna lie, if he said that,


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's a racial alliance, it goes back to, again, what I just look at it with like, I, for some reason it's swept under the rug with one guy, and another guy, we make a big deal about it. I, I don't get it, and that's what bothers me about the draft a little bit.


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[Assistant] He's been built up and feels he's in the spot to where I can be like, yeah, nobody's questioned anything with me. Right. Nobody questions anything. I'm good player. We went to two, you know, uh, we were in the final four all three years. I won a national championship as a freshman and like, yeah, like, all right, screw you.


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[Assistant] I mean, and then, like, didn't go to Bama and Ohio State and Clemson because he wanted to make UNC a football powerhouse. Like, I kind of like that aspect of it, you know? And I will sit here and go, like, again, De'Ami Brown is a first round receiver. I don't know if he's going to go first round. I'm just telling you, he's a first round receiver. For my money, he should be somewhere between


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[Assistant] Check it out on YouTube. That's right. If you want to see Ahmed in his red pants, check us out on YouTube. It's the time.


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[Assistant] You do red. Red comes back. I like that. I mean, honestly, I'm getting to the point where I'm gonna go like, if you're gonna do the pod, you have to wear your red pants.


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[Assistant] Tuesday. You're back in the fold, right? Yep. Alright. So that's it. Last position. Oh, I'm gonna be so happy when this weekend's over. I really am. Not gonna lie.


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[Assistant] I was like, whoa, I got a lot of guys on my list. Oh my gosh, I gotta keep checking them off. I'm sick of thinking like that. Hope everybody else is good out there. Questions were great. Let's keep talking ball together. Send them in.


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[Assistant] I would have picked the Broncos to win if I thought Dak Prescott wasn't going to play. Dak Prescott played and the Broncos won. It just shows you how crazy things were.


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[Assistant] Last week was upside down. Last week was an embarrassment. You did make up ground on me.


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[Assistant] Explain to you last week what it is. It's biblical is what it sounds like. It's biblical. Yes. And there is a Seinfeld episode, that's right, thank you, Pete, where Newman serves as Solomon when it comes to a bike that is of disputed ownership between Elaine and Kramer and the same thing plays out where Newman


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[Assistant] Maybe he didn't actually walk on water, maybe he just thought he was, uh, you know, given the properties of the substance that Chris may have tonight.


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[Assistant] Now that we've blasphemed and, uh, engaged in all sorts of sacrilegious impropriety, I am a lifelong Catholic, and I went to Catholic school for 12 years, and I feel guilty about everything, and I feel guilty about having a little fun, although I think Jesus would appreciate, you know, I-I think that's fun banter.


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[Assistant] I think God has a sense of humor. Just look around. Just look around. He has a pretty good sense of humor. Alright, let's get into it. I have one specific reason why I think God has a sense of humor, but I won't, I probably shouldn't mention why.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's not nearly as good as you would think. Let's just move on. Thursday Night Football. Thursday Night Football.


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[Assistant] So, yeah, baby, uh, sorry, we'll try to put you back together over the course of the remainder of the program. I think that the Ravens will cover. I think that the Ravens, Primetime, Big Spot, John Harbaugh,


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[Assistant] Reminding them very aggressively and loudly that they did lose at home to the Chargers. They almost lost at home to the Vikings. This is an opportunity for them to reestablish themselves, to reassert themselves as one of the best teams in the AFC. And the Dolphins are a team that is just not as good.


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[Assistant] Freaking deal. The Dolphins beat the Texans. I'm not buying that. I think the Dolphins, whether it's Tuitonga Miloa or Jacoby Brissette or somebody else, I don't think it's gonna matter. I think the Ravens show up in prime time.


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[Assistant] Get the win. I bet the crowd at Miami is going to be heavy Ravens. Yeaah. And maybe not many people there at all on a Thursday night. Who the hell is going to go to a game on a Thursday night to watch a pathetic Dolphins team unless you're a Ravens fan? And that's entirely possible. But I like the Ravens in this one 30-40-13.


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[Assistant] I am influenced by the fact that the first etching on the Brian Flores coaching gravestone is 59 to 10 the last time


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[Assistant] That these two teams got together in this stadium week one of the 2019 season. That's influencing me as well. One o'clock Eastern on Sunday, the Atlanta Falcons, surprisingly four and four.


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[Assistant] The Cowboys surprisingly losing at home to the Broncos were down 30 to nothing at one point. Cowboys eight point favorites over under is 54 and a half. Highest over under the week. And the Cowboys opened as 10 point favorites.


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[Assistant] But people like the Falcons. People believe in Matt Ryan and company. The line has moved two points in Atlanta's direction. Who do you like?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've got 3420, one fewer touchdown for the Atlanta Falcons. I'm impressed with what they did last week, but this is going to be a fully focused, fully motivated, fully determined Cowboys team that has to win this game because they've got the Chiefs in Kansas City coming up next, a battle of the two


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[Assistant] Dallas franchises of the AFL and NFL, the Chiefs were once upon a time the Dallas Texans, and then the Raiders on Thanksgiving. They need to show themselves and everyone else that last week was an aberration. So I think they've been coached hard this week. I think the veteran leadership woke everyone up.


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[Assistant] Last week, they were all complacent, they believed the press clippings, and I think this week they come out and they take care of business. And also, Dak Prescott, another week to get back to this. Yea, that's right. He wasn't even on the injury report on Wednesday, so I've got 3420, Cowboys cover. Dan Quinn, that factor. No baby splitting for me, at least not yet. Yea, and, and that's, like, the coaching staff now in Atlanta,


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[Assistant] Design something. Get his guys ready to defend against Matt Ryan, his tendencies, his tells, whatever there may be that he can help them get ready for it. You don't know anything about Kyle Pitts, but he definitely knows Matt Ryan.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, we move on to the next game. This one's surprisingly intriguing because of what the Jaguars did to the Bills last Sunday winning 9-6.


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[Assistant] And the cults have to be feeling pretty good about themselves, although they'd be feeling even better if the titans had lost to the rams last week. They're in the mix for a wild card berth. I think 10 is a little bit much. I am gonna split the baby on this one. I've got the cults. I was gonna do 2320, but I'll go 2720.


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[Assistant] I think the game stays close or maybe even there's a back door cover by the Jaguars because we did see the Colts get a little sloppy last week after they had put the Jets away and let the


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[Assistant] Jets back into the game, but I'm influenced by the possibility that the Jaguars have found something defensively and they carry some confidence into this one that may not be there. I'll be very disappointed if they look like they did the last time they went on the road to Seattle and we're down 24-0 with two minutes left in the game. Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] At New England Patriots, two and a half point favorites are the Patriots with an over under of 45.5. The Browns got a big win in Cincinnati last week. The Patriots have won three in a row and are looking pretty good. We talked earlier on PFT Live about the importance of the run game to both of these teams.


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[Assistant] I've got the exact same score and it's already in the document. You can see it there. It is not a copycat move by me. 2420. Patriots getting better before our eyes. Figuring out how to make it work with what they have. Bill Belichick rising. And look, Kevin Stefanski.


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[Assistant] Very good coach, but this is Bill Belichick we're talking about. And when you don't have Nick Chubb, when you don't have Kareem Hunt, I know D'Ernest Johnson looked really good three weeks ago against the Broncos, but it was the Broncos.


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[Assistant] These are the Patriots, and I just think it's a different vibe altogether on the road in that building. I'm impressed with what the Browns did last week. I just don't think they can do it two weeks in a row. Prove me wrong if you want to, Cleveland, and I'll admit that I'm wrong. Hell, I'm used to it now after last weekend.


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[Assistant] Gotta pick one, and I like the Patriots in this one, and we like them by the exact same score. Chris.


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[Assistant] Probably don't need to say much about bills at Jets. Well, maybe we do. I don't know. You may have some strong thoughts here.


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[Assistant] Bills are 11 point favorites against the Jets. Mike White is gonna play 47.5 point over-under. It's the biggest spread of the week at 11 after the Bills lost and scored only 6 points. Imagine that. They scored 6 points last week and they're favored by almost twice that amount this week. Do you think they win? Do you think they cover?


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[Assistant] And he did get banged up last week. Now he's had a few extra days to recover from it and he is going to play, but I just think that, what, what? No, I'm not going Jets. No, I see your score here in the sheets. So I think, look,


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[Assistant] I think that teams that got surprised last week, their coaches have every reason to be up their butts all week long and get them


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[Assistant] To compete at a high level. And this is a get out your frustration game for the Buffalo Bills after what happened last week. And Sean McDermott has said this week that it's on him to be more creative offensively. I think what happened last week, Chris, and you probably watched the film, although I don't know if you would have stayed awake. It was so damn boring. But you know, the Bills, I believe based on what I saw the game thought that


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[Assistant] Next up, Lions at the Steelers. Steelers are 8 point favorites coming off the Monday night win where they had a 14 point lead and they blew it but came back and got the victory. 42.5 point over-under, the lowest over-under of the week. Chris, do the Steelers make it 5 wins in a row?


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[Assistant] Here's some high level analysis, and you will only hear this here, and this is true and complete transparency. On the occasions when I pick a team to upset another team, and that team lets me down by getting blown off the field like the Lions did the last time they played.


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[Assistant] I hold a grudge. I'm pissed off. I'm pissed at the Lions for making me believe they could beat the Eagles and then crapping the bet. I almost said the other word, but Kristen's already got a


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[Assistant] Scrub out a couple of f-bombs from me. So, uh, look, I think also Mike Tomlin was probably not and is not a great guy to be around this week.


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[Assistant] After seeing that 14 point lead evaporate in the fourth quarter, that does not happen in Pittsburgh. He is going to be on his guys. I think his team is clearly better. I don't care that the Lions have had two weeks to get ready. I saw that Dan Campbell, the head coach said he's going to be more involved in the offense. Some fans are saying, please, please no.


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[Assistant] We actually would like to win a game this year. I think that's unfair. I think Campbell is doing as good of a job as he can. He's doing as good of a job as he can.


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[Assistant] With the crap that he has to work with, all due respect, but this is the leftovers of...


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[Assistant] Past efforts, change culture, change culture, change culture. You're constantly churning, changing culture. You're never gonna have the right mix of guys to, to allow you to be instantly successful, Jared. Goff should not be the quarterback of that team. I've got 31-17. Steelers win. Steelers cover.


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[Assistant] And yes, I'm holding a grudge because the Lions made me look like idiots, or an idiot, or idiots, or whatever, by losing so badly to the Eagles in Week 8. Alright, let's move on to a very intriguing game. This one's a tough one for me. The Saints.


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[Assistant] Who have been very Jekyll and Hydish this year. Dr. Jekyll showed up last week, if that's the bad thing. I think you want Mr. Hyde when you're playing football. I don't think you want Dr. Jekyll out there. You want Mr. Hyde out there creating havoc. They didn't have Mr. Hyde last week. They lost to the Falcons at home.


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[Assistant] Titans have won five in a row. They're three point favorites in Nashville, 44 and a half over under. Chris, who you got? Well, I think this is a good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, I've gone back and forth and back and forth, and now that I know you're taking the saints, I'm tempted to make my...


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[Assistant] Pick the Saints as well, but I'm sticking with my initial gut feeling because I haven't believed in the Titans the way that I should, and this is the flip side of the Lions dynamic.


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[Assistant] The Titans really made me reconsider what I think of this team after being able to go to LA and do what they did defensively to the Rams. And they did it to Matthew Stafford, and all due respect, but Trevor Simeon and or Taysom Hill, not Matthew Stafford. And I know Sean Payton, one of the great play designers, great play callers, great at manipulating a defense, but I just, I


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[Assistant] If the Saints win this game, it's going to be because their defense so overwhelms the Titans and creates field position and or points early and puts the Titans away to the point where they can't recover. Because I think if the Titans get down by 10 points or more, it's over.


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[Assistant] I don't think they've got the offense to come back. Now watch, they'll go down 14 points and come back and win the game. I agree with you there though. I think you're right. I think what helped the Titans against the Rams was they got aggressive. They got on top of the Rams and by then it was over. They, they popped the balloon. Uhm, so I, I just think, I'm going to regret this one.


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[Assistant] I'm sticking with the Titans 24-20. Let's make it interesting. We don't disagree on any outcomes yet, so we should at least disagree on one. Titans 24-20 is mine, and we'll see how it goes. Last game in the 1 o'clock window. Buccaneers at the Washington football team. Both teams coming off of bye weeks. The Bucs 9 point favorites. 51 and a half over under. Chris, who you got?


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[Assistant] Welcome back to PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button presented by Under Armour late afternoon, week 10. Let's get right to it. The Carolina Panthers and


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[Assistant] The Arizona Cardinals rematch of the 2015 NFC Championship game with not many similarities 6 years later between the two teams. The Cardinals are 10 and a half point favorites at home with an over under of 44. Chris, who you got?


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[Assistant] David Tepper is so desperate to get a franchise quarterback. He's willing to see maybe they can coach Cam Newton into being a franchise quarterback. Who knows? But for now, I think the Arizona Cardinals


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[Assistant] And I have picked against them like five straight weeks. I'm not doing it again. The Cardinals are getting it done. Now I was right a couple of weeks ago when the Packers beat them, but this time around I got 30 to 13. The Cardinals winning this game and continuing to


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[Assistant] Establish themselves as arguably the best team in the NFC. And I don't know why we don't want to believe it. Is it because they don't have an intimidating logo on their helmet? It's a mildly perturbed garden bird.


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[Assistant] Like who ca- like, what about the Cardinals intimidates anyone? I love them, they're very beautiful.


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely, and we thought the Panthers were gonna be pretty good. They started 3-0, but it has not gone very well for them since then. Next up, Vikings at the Chargers. Minnesota's first trip to SoFi Stadium. The Chargers are


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[Assistant] Three point favorites. The last time the Vikings played at LA against the Chargers a couple of years ago, the Vikings fans overtook that soccer stadium. I don't know how it's going to go now because I think most Vikings fans have


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[Assistant] Got to the point where they've had enough. Chargers three point favorites, 53 over under. Chris, who do you like?


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[Assistant] To 21, 4th quarter. Maybe even more than that. Maybe it'll be 31-21, I don't know. Chargers will take the lead.


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[Assistant] Vikings will then try to win the game or force overtime or whatever, but inevitably, irrevocably, the Vikings lose again and fall to three and six to the Chargers in some sort of heartbreaking fashion, and Vikings fans continue to reside in hashtag purple purgatory.


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[Assistant] 38 34 or do you want to go? Let's do 38 34. All right. Let's do 38 34. All right. Uh, he loves him not the Broncos. Yeah. Eagles at the Broncos. There's been no, he loves him this year. Eagles at the Broncos, Denver, three point favorites, 45 and a half point over under Chris. Who you got?


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[Assistant] I got the exact same score. 2420 Broncos, exact same score. You can see it. It's there. I do. I see it. Um, but I don't feel good about this one. The Eagles could rise up. I like what Devonte Smith is doing. Definitely. I, I, you know, how much of a lift to the Broncos get to their season from beating the Cowboys? That's really the key. And does it give them,


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[Assistant] A burst of confidence. Do they think they have a chance to win the division? This is a game they have to win if they want to be taken seriously in the AFC West. It's that simple. And they need to keep doing what worked and Teddy Bridgewater guy who just wants to get down the field and score touchdowns doesn't care how, doesn't care what it looks like, just wants to get the team to the end zone. I just feel like this is an opportunity for the Broncos


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[Assistant] To really establish themselves as a team, it's not like a team's gonna be a Super Bowl contender, but just be a playoff contender. And if you don't win this one, you're not a playoff contender, and it's that simple as far as I see it.


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[Assistant] Seahawks at the Packers. We know we'll see Russell Wilson. Will we see Aaron Rodgers? I think we will. Packers are three and a half point favorites, 49 and a half over under. The Seahawks haven't won at Lambeau Field since 1999. Chris, who do you like? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Wilson coming back after five weeks away. How?


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[Assistant] In the mid to upper thirties, so it's not like the snow would be, you know, sticking or anything like that, but it, it may be in the air and it may be cold and it, and I,


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[Assistant] Look, this is Aaron Rodgers coming back and taking out his frustration with everyone on


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[Assistant] The opponent and I think that we're going to see a fantastic game from Aaron Rodgers and that may be wishful thinking on my part. I love a good story and a great story is Rodgers coming back after everything he's dealt with over the course of the last week and a half and having


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[Assistant] I think that he's gonna have a huge game, and I think they win 28-21, and I think it's gonna be fun to watch the Seahawks and the Packers get together, and who knows, maybe the Packers will have OBJ, although I think they won't, uh, and, uh. I wish they would. Even at this, even at this, you know what? Even if he signs today, is he gonna be ready to play? No, I mean, he'd be limited. I know he's been playing. Yeah.


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[Assistant] All right, primetime games with big division matchups in the AFC and NFC West. We'll do that next on PFTPM and Chris Sims Unbuttoned presented by Underarm.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to PFTPM and Chris Sims Unbuttoned presented by Under Armour. We have reached the point in the program where Chris has a message for you from


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say it, I was gonna say something foul and vile. You can, go ahead, I think it'll be good. No, I'm not gonna, no, I don't want, I just, I feel bad for Kristen, I don't want her to have to...


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[Assistant] The clock is ticking. Alright, hey, well I'll just say. Pete who has said nothing about the amount of time we've been pissing away on this show is now all of a sudden concerned about the remaining time that we have. Sunday Night Football Chiefs 2.5 point favorites at the Las Vegas Raiders over under 51.5 could be a great game. Chris, who you got?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what? This is a pasta and meatballs one for me. This is a game where the Chiefs finally...


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[Assistant] Reestablish themselves. This is where the narrative gets busted. This is where for whatever reason it comes together and maybe it's the addition of Odell Beckham Jr. who quite possibly will be on the field in that game.


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[Assistant] On Sunday Night Football, playing for the Kansas City Chiefs. I hope so. Who knows, maybe doing something exciting on NBC while we watch the game, but I, I feel like...


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[Assistant] This is just one of the, the rest of the division.


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[Assistant] Has screwed around enough to give the Chiefs an opening and they're going to blast their way through it and when we get to late December, early January, we're gonna look back and say that was the moment the Chiefs


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[Assistant] Found their way out of the weeds. I still believe they can. If they can't do it in this spot in prime time on the road against the Raiders, then maybe they won't do it at all this year. So I got 31-24 Chiefs. We'll see what happens. Monday Night Football. Rams.


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[Assistant] Four point favorites at San Francisco. The 49ers have lost eight straight games.


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[Assistant] This joint Megapix podcast edition of PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button continues right after this.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's wrap up this Joint Megapix podcast. Best bets, let's get right to it. Chris, you're up. Alright.


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[Assistant] I look at these scores, I look at the spreads, and it just, I get a gut feeling.


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[Assistant] That the spread isn't enough. And I feel like 8 points isn't enough because I feel like the Cowboys are really going to do everything they can to reestablish themselves on Sunday after last week's performance. I like the Cowboys to cover giving 8 to the Falcons. Chris, you're next. I get you there.


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[Assistant] Cover the spread. Given the big points. I'm gonna take the Rams, given 4 to the 49ers. I'm torn on my last one, but I like that one. You're up. Raiders.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm torn between the Jaguars getting ten or the Packers giving three and a half. I think ten's too much. I'll take an underdog for a change, people. Jaguars getting ten. Going to India not losing by ten or more, that's mine. Alright, Folsom Prison Blues, who's the lock this week?


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[Assistant] I'll ride the bills again since they screwed us last week. Almost said the other word, but, uh, Kristen's already got to clean up enough of your trash from today.


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[Assistant] That's it. Thanks as always for some of your time. Enjoy the games. Do the opposite of what we suggest and you'll win some money.


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[Assistant] Well, good thing our boss bought the bleep button in the back control room to do that.


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[Assistant] Oh baby, that's right. The boss isn't gonna disturb us. He can't affect our English language. He can't affect my swearing, that's for sure.


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[Assistant] I guess this is what the kids do. The 41 year old fathers who are assholes. Yeah, I guess this is what they do. What's up everybody? Chris Sims on Button. That's right, we got week 4 in the books. Ahmed Fariz here. You the man. He wore his special red pants for us today. Isn't that neat? You doing good? What's up?


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[Assistant] Not shocking. I mean, I guess the spread is a little much. I don't, I, uh, I wouldn't have not taken that spread.


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[Assistant] I can't remember what I picked on the podcast. I think I picked like a pay, uh, bucks, three or four point win on the podcast on Thursday. But come on, you knew like Belichick and company, we're going to have a proper game plan. You know, the emotions of that game was really cool. I mean, it really was. It was a great Sunday altogether. I mean, we've got a lot of different stuff to unpack. I don't know where you want to start.


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[Assistant] I mean, just disappointing from a hard-hitting ex-safety.


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[Assistant] You don't have to do it anymore. Yeah, no, that's what it is. You're right. I mean, he's at that level of life and we have zoom calls and stuff and I see the background of his house. Yeah, that's probably what he probably has a full-time umbrella older.


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[Assistant] Probably full time, because, I mean, he's got gold plated walls and everything, and I always have fun with him, because I'm like, oh, what room are you in today? Whoa! That's pretty awesome, so.


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[Assistant] I think it like lacked big plays or maybe sexy moments, but I do think for the most part though, the game did live up to the hype. It was close.


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[Assistant] It was, you know, Belichick, Brady with the ball in his hand late down against Belichick's famed defense, right?


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[Assistant] And I think it was a chess match throughout the night. I mean, come on, that's, I mean, Brady, Brady was barely 50%.


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[Assistant] I mean yea, they might run some play action, but they're not really running the ball. They're gonna have a hard time.


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[Assistant] That's what, that's the thing that Tampa does to you. I mean we've seen Tampa do that to the Dallas Cowboys who are running on everybody ever since they played them except they didn't even want to attempt it on Tampa. But yea, Mack Jones, really impressive. Hey, still some of the same themes we talked about. Hey, big plays, explosive plays, certainly one of the things that's hurting them all together. But I thought that was like,


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[Assistant] Hashtag as expected kind of what I would thought as far as what New England's plan of attack was on the offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] You know, honestly, you know, in a lot of ways, and again, I'm impressed with what he did, uhm, you know, had the interception. Who had the other turnover we're missing? Oh, Jonathan Taylor on the fumble, on the little swing pass to the right, uh, by the Patriots' slide line. J.J. Taylor, sorry, not Jonathan Taylor. That was, that was a big moment.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but all in all, yeaah, I thought he executed well, and of course took a lot of hits too. I still think, you know,


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[Assistant] I was really impressed with the way Brady played. I really was. I know it wasn't pretty or anything like that. I mean that, it really was coming down. It was coming down.


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[Assistant] I can't, but that's why Brady is like, you know, to me, another thing that people overlook to where I'd go.


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[Assistant] No, this is another reason Brady is better physically than people give him credit for. Pying up in New England all those years.


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[Assistant] Bad weather, winter storms, whatever. He could throw missiles through it. Doesn't matter. Oh, it's raining today. Oh, it's snowing. Oh, it's 40 mile per hour winds. No big deal.


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[Assistant] We'll still be able to throw the football. And you know, again, they're a team that.


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[Assistant] They're not like the Patriots. They don't want to dink and dunk. That's not what they do. They are looking for 15, 20, 30 yard completions, like you see. I mean, look at the end of the game. There they are in a kind of like, oh, just get a few more yards or...


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[Assistant] You know, making it an easier field goal to maybe get the first down and they're going for a 30 yard touchdown pass down the right sideline to Antonio Brown.


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[Assistant] Here's where I was impressed with like just Brady and the bucks all together.


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[Assistant] First off, Brady never let the emotions of the game get to him in the sense of like, I gotta make a play, I gotta do something here, I gotta show the whole world that, you know, it was me. I thought he, you know, played somewhat conservative and careful, knowing that like,


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[Assistant] They're gonna have a hard time moving the ball on our defense consistently all game long, and Tampa showed a patience that I wasn't sure they were gonna be capable of showing. You know, I thought like the one way the Patriots might upset the Bucs is,


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[Assistant] You know, Arians and left foot just get, they get bored and man, we can't get AB and Mike Evans deep down the field and make any big plays like that. And I thought maybe they would fall into the trap. Like we've seen them where, like they did last week a little bit, not, not running the ball. We're just going to throw the ball every play.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna make big plays that way. And I thought if they did that, that's where they could lose the football game. But like, they kept it under wraps. And I think that was one of the more impressive things to me about the game.


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[Assistant] Well, it's certainly like the most underwhelming unit on the football team, no doubt. I mean, I think between the injuries, you know, especially the last two weeks, guys just not playing well.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, yeah, I certainly did not expect this out of this unit, especially after like what we saw really like the last two years was very high level play last year, especially where it was like,


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[Assistant] I think they're, I think they're just simply not playing as well. You know, Trent Brown being hurt, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I'm going to mess up his name. Onowenio, you know, the guard from Michigan who's typically one of their, like, better linemen. The last few weeks he's struggled and has not played good football.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Isaiah Wynn has been inconsistent at left tackle. So that, I guess that jumps out to me. And then I think the other thing that I just would add to that, Ahmed, is...


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[Assistant] You know, they, uhm, don't scare people with any other deep plays like you talked about. It's short passing game. They have no weapon on the outside that people go like, oh man, we gotta worry about that. And Mack Jones isn't the type of like,


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[Assistant] You got a can in his arm that scares you that way, at least yet. So I think it's all those factors kind of all plying together, uh, that have a little, you know, made them a little underwhelming. More than underwhelming up front. I mean disappointing so far.


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[Assistant] No, I know. I, I, for all those reasons, I did not expect it. I thought that they would probably try to get a few more yards, uh, just to make it a little easier nonetheless, but, uh, man.


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[Assistant] It was close. Didn't, didn't lack drama the game altogether. And, you know, I think, you know, all in all, hey, even like New England lost, there's still a lot of positives about what they do in the football game. They're not a pushover. We know that. Their defense is the real deal.


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, again, nobody's done that to the Buccaneers offense in a while. As far as like, stymied them, make them get down in the red zone.


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[Assistant] And kick field goals, like nobody does that to Tampa Bay. I mean, Brady, ever since he's been there, it's like you get around the 20, he's throwing touchdown passes. They're getting in the end zone.


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[Assistant] Definitely. I mean, Anton Winfield got hurt, went into concussion protocol. Sean Murphy Bunting is, you know, out with that dislocated elbow that we saw in week one against Dallas. So, one of the, uh, you know, the other kid, uh, Jamel Dean,


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[Assistant] He's out. He got hurt last week in the Rams game. So definitely one of the weak spots. They're beat up on the defensive side of the ball. So they're going to have to kind of just weather the storm. It's not going to be the dominant Bucs defense that we saw towards the end of last year. No, not right now. You know, JPP not out there either as far as coming off the edge there. Um, so again,


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[Assistant] To me, it's for them right now, it's weather the storm, keep winning games, don't put the pressure on the offense, and hopefully the defense gets healthy to where, you know, they get healthy at the right time of the year to make the playoff run or the last half of the year run.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think it's the most shocking as well. You know, uh, yeaah. I think it's the style and the fashion in which they won the game that I think adds to like, whoa, really? I mean, yeaah, I didn't expect 37-20, obviously. I picked the Rams and won the football game. So I didn't expect that. But if you told me it unplayed that way, I would have been like, really? That's how it's gonna unplay?


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[Assistant] Like, Kyler Murray, long drives, you know, s- 12 play drive, 17 play drive, him scrambling around making throws, them running the ball, and then the Rams offense kind of f-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would not have expected that. You know, early on, it's 3-0, the Rams go down the field, they force the Cardinals into, I don't think, maybe it wasn't a 3-0, I can't remember all the specifics, but they punt, they get the ball back, and I'm going, uh-oh, Cardinals are in trouble, it's 3-0, here we go, Rams got the ball somewhere near midfield.


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[Assistant] And Matt Stafford and Sean McVay, they dial up that play action pass where he kind of rolls to the right and tries to throw the post route back to the left to Deshaun Jackson. Doesn't throw it out there far enough. And our man Byron Murphy, who's like,


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[Assistant] I mean, the ball gets in his area code, he's catching it. He's one of those special DBs that has real crazy ball skills, but he gets that and the game was never the same from that point on. Arizona went down the field.


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[Assistant] Scored a touchdown and really controlled the game from like, from there on out, I felt like for the most part. And, uh, that was, was impressive to me was the sustained drives, the third downs, and then for a team that has contained Kyler Murray and his whole career, they couldn't contain him yesterday. And yeah, Arizona, you know, showed their ass yesterday.


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[Assistant] I feel like patience was the word of the day for me yesterday, where I just went, man, look at, like, not forcing a ball.


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[Assistant] Okay, you know, yeah, ugly first down, they got the first down though, moved the, moved the chains, clocks rolling. I mean, some of their drives, like here, I just want to go through it because I know that you had jumped out to me yesterday, but you got the six play 87 yard drive, their first touchdown where it was again, a third down.


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[Assistant] And this has been a thing you know with me, with Kyler Murray, his third downs. He kinda just floated to the right and found AJ Green down the sideline. But then after that, it's an 11-place, 75-yard drive.


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[Assistant] Then it's a, okay, they get the turnover off the Tony, Sony Michelle fumble, which was a real changing point in the game. And that, that cannot be underestimated. It's 14-10 Arizona.


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[Assistant] And Sony Michelle, I believe, fumbles on the first play of the drive to set up the Cardinals and they go in and get an easy score. But so then you got that play. So if I play 21 yard drive, right, they're up 21-10. Rams go get a field goal and then.


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[Assistant] It tells you that they're being patient. They were running the ball a little bit. He wasn't going to try to force the ball down the field against, you know, the Rams or hold the ball too long. So yea, you do that.


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[Assistant] You know, and then, and then they have a 9 play 64 yard drive for their last touchdown and then another 12 play 94 yard drive. That's just stuff we have not seen the Rams defense do or give up. It's just let teams kinda just bleed them out that way.


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[Assistant] But Arizona made the most plays on the field. They controlled the line of scrimmage for the most part. Every got to have it moment as I sat there and was trying to watch all the games, I just went.


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[Assistant] Arizona made the play. It just, it's just the way it was and really impressive. Like, good for Arizona. It really is.


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[Assistant] I know you like the Cowboys offense. Cowboys, I mean, the Raiders, I think are probably the two best offenses for me in football right now. Okay. But dangerous-wise. Yep. Danger is my middle name. Is the Arizona's that, that team.


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[Assistant] Cause Arizona like, so I know what you mean, like you could say they're the best, I get that. But they can go through like a spell too in the first two weeks where they have like three or four drives where they don't do anything. But all of a sudden they're like, kinda like the Kansas City Chiefs used to be, all of a sudden they explode.


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[Assistant] And you're like, joom, joom, joom, joom. Whoa. Okay. They didn't do anything for a quarter and a half and now they score 21 points in like 10 plays. That's where they're, they're, they're really amazing. And again,


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[Assistant] Maybe they can be the best offensive football if they show the patience they did yesterday. I think really the fact that like Kingsbury was willing to kind of keep running the ball, he wasn't going to let like the Rams crazy coverages and


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[Assistant] Oh, you're just going to do a passing game against the Rams. Like that's what the Rams want. And now Aaron Donald and Leonard Floyd can just fly and rush after the quarterback. So from that standpoint, it was really impressive.


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[Assistant] Maybe the most exciting offense in the NFL. Maybe that's how we should say it. Or if you want to say best, I'll go, I'll bow down to your best. You think it's the best. I like it.


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[Assistant] Maybe the most dangerous. We could say that. They can certainly be even higher up in the conversation in that department for me. I'd like to see them be able to more consistently run the ball. Uh, I guess just for me to say best offense.


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[Assistant] It's definitely what, uh, I mean, Vance Joseph, they do some creative things on the defensive side of the ball. Definitely one of the first things on my list is kind of to watch this film back a little bit and just see what the Cardinals did schematically to mess with the Rams. But you know, again,


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[Assistant] You know, the Rams, Cooper Cup, yeaah, they take their shots down the field and get big plays there. We get that, but really he makes his living more than anything like, you know, 10, 15 yards over the middle. And we've talked about this a little bit before.


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[Assistant] Who's over the middle for Arizona? A bunch of super freaks. So from that standpoint,


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[Assistant] You know, that's where Arizona's interesting. The way they can play defense and their talent on that side of the ball really allows them to keep some weird personnel and do some different thing on the field because of the athleticism of those linebackers and then the two safeties they got to go along with it. Nugget alert. Nugget.


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[Assistant] Dominated. Dominated the first time. An ass whooping. The first quarter. The first quarter, if I can remember this right, and I'll pull it up here, I think it was like 170 yards to negative 3. Yea, I think it got up to


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[Assistant] 167 to minus 3 at least in the first quarter. That's insane. In the first quarter. In the first quarter. That was the end of the line. And you were only up 7-0. Which to me is always like,


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[Assistant] Danger, danger, danger. When you don't take advantage of those moments of ass-kicking and you're only up by a touchdown, especially against Russell Wilson, yeaah, it's danger time.


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[Assistant] No, I think you, you say it right. And they're just, they're such a big play team, like we've talked about Seattle. I mean, that's, that's so that you, you dominate and you think, yeah, we got them. We got them. They're in a tough spot.


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[Assistant] But it just, we know, one thing about Seattle is at some point he is gonna make some big throws to a Lockett or a Metcalf or Freddie Swain. The play, I mean again, you know, you said it right.


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[Assistant] It's, it's off the fumble, off the kick return, right? They've gone up 14 to 7. That play right there, I mean...


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[Assistant] I mean, come on, that was special. As far as buying time, being rolled around, keep your balance, then throw a nice throw to the, you know, the front right corner of the end zone. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, like really impressive, Gutty Wind by the Seattle Seahawks. And it just, their, I guess it's their fortitude, their toughness, their mental toughness, how they just battle. And even when shit looks horrible, they just always have this like positive attitude.


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[Assistant] You know, that's what always impresses me about them and that starts with Pete Carroll and then trickles to Russell Wilson and the rest of the group.


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[Assistant] No, and I don't, you know, really fast, sound defense, but yeaah, I mean,


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[Assistant] I guess not pressuring the quarterback quite to the extent I would have thought they would have this year. You know, whether that's Philadelphia two weeks ago or Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay. Again, I know they're around the quarterback a lot.


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[Assistant] But I thought they would be a little bit more dominant there. They did get the run game going a little bit yesterday, but I still don't think that's kind of like where it should be as far as, as talented as they are on the offensive line. And now,


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[Assistant] You know, we got the quarterback issue, you know, and that's, you know, it's Jimmy Garoppolo gets hurt.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, and of course, bad interception when they're kinda controlling the game.


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[Assistant] You're in a good spot, and he throws a ball, I believe it was like to kiddle over the middle, and doesn't see digs, the backside kind of lurking safety, and he undercuts it, and I felt like from that point on, the game was really never the same after that. Because like, where, where was, where were the 49ers on the field when he threw that interception?


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[Assistant] I wanna say they were on, like, going on Seattle's side of the field, if I remember correctly. Maybe I'm wrong, Pete, maybe you can look that up. But again, it was part of that process of where the 49ers are whooping that ass, and here they are kinda marching down the field.


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[Assistant] And he makes that mistake and I, to me again, I know I'm watching a lot of football. It felt like the game was never the same from that point on.


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[Assistant] What I say about him, I see high level wow-ness, so that always excites me. It does. When the ball pops out of his arm, I go, man, it's a lot of power. But I don't think, from what I saw yesterday, I don't think anything's changed me yet in the fact of, and we talked about this right before the podcast, like, the ball's still a little all over the place with him.


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[Assistant] And that's going to be the thing to watch for. It's, it's a weird motion he has. He has some mechanical, technical flaws in the way he throws the football, you know, bottom line. Um, but the one thing I will say with the 49ers and a team in offense that I feel like is,


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[Assistant] Having a hard time creating big plays. This is where I think maybe he can really help the football team out.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think you're, you might not have as many empty yards at the end of the day. That's where I'm, I'm interested to see as this goes forward because it sounds like Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be out a few weeks and now you give Shanahan a little time to like, you know, a few more quarterback design runs. Okay, we got to push the envelope with this guy. He's our starter now.


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[Assistant] And I do think he'll open the field up and the fact that, you know, between the run, the normal run game, and then his arm.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I, I do think that can maybe make life easier on them. I'm, I'm interested to see what they look like this week with Trey Lance at quarterback. I am.


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[Assistant] This is scary because you don't know Arizona is one of those defenses that kind of like it's different week to week and you don't know what you're going to get game plan wise and


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[Assistant] If there is a team that is like built to stop running quarterbacks, it's the Arizona Cardinals. You know, with as fast as they are, they got an athletic front, those linebackers again like we talked about. So, you know, either way, inconsistent, I do see some wow, but I think if you take away the blown coverage by the Seattle Seahawks on the 75-yard touchdown, you'd go,


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[Assistant] I've seen a lot more other things one time too that they could use on that meltdown too. Anybody that tunes into PFT in the morning, I'm good for at least one jumble of the English language or, or Simzism as we call it, uh, for sure. So I can handle it, it's okay.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't have expected that. For them to have their way in the run game, I think that was surprising to me. It really was.


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[Assistant] I couldn't be happier for the guy, really. I'm like, I had questions about him coming into the year. You know, losing weight, okay, car crash runner. He's gonna try to lose weight to be a little bit faster. Is he gonna lose his power and explosiveness? Damn, he looks good. He really does. I mean, he looks like Zeke Elliott from three years ago. He's quick.


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[Assistant] You know, you see ability to kind of like, it gets out in the open field. Yeah, he's not going to take a 60 yard touchdown to the house anymore, but he can rip off a 20 or 30 yard gain for sure. Now, but, but this is to me, Ahmed, why?


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[Assistant] I think they're the best offense in football because they can impose their will on you in two different ways. You know, we have other offenses that are balanced, but like Dallas can literally go, no, like you want to play that?


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[Assistant] We're gonna run the ball and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Oh wait, you're gonna play us like that? Okay.


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[Assistant] We're going to throw the ball every play. Now you can't stop that either. That, that to me is where you get scary. And of course they make big plays behind that too. It's not empty yards like we just talked about with some other teams. So really impressive that way. I mean the offensive line pass protects well and of course the run blocking really good. They have a nice


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[Assistant] Dallas fumbled the ball, in their own 20 or 30 yard line, and the referee called it down, and it wasn't down. There was two or three calls early on that went against Carolina, and I'm gonna have to go back and remember it, just too many things. But Dalton Schultz called a ball, he turned upfield, they called forward progress, right? As soon as he got touched, the ball was fumbled. They blew the call.


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[Assistant] That was a big moment in the game. There was another bad call too, and I'm not going to be able to call it off the top of my head to where I just went, yeah, listen, Dallas is the better team. I get that.


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[Assistant] They got a, got a break or two that kinda made that game look a little bit more misleading than it really was.


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[Assistant] Like give the ball, give them one more, you know, possession.


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[Assistant] When the ball gets near them, they're gonna catch it. I mean, Trayvon Diggs obviously played a lot of catch with his brother Stefan growing up. Cause they have tremendous ball skills. Yeah. And DBs usually don't have ball skills like that. But, uh, his are as good as a guess. And I think that's the impressive thing about Dallas. It's not, not a dominant defense, but of course it's sound, it's better.


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[Assistant] Yes, right. And they make one or two plays every week. One or two plays every week that, you know, help give their team a big advantage.


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[Assistant] I'm all for that. He did fix the defense. Hey, at least, at least they play with passion, they fly around, and they know what they're doing. I think, so that, that, and with, you know, the scheme fitting the players, everything there is impressive.


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[Assistant] Again, another game I'll be excited to go back. Just look, Carolina looked like they were intent on going.


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[Assistant] We're not gonna let you have big plays in the pass game. We're not, we're, we're good enough up front that we'll be able to slow down your run game. And they learned a lesson there that if they play Dallas again, they can't play pass coverage all game long. They're going to have to take some chances, get people down there in the box so they don't get beat up in the run game like they did.


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[Assistant] I did not expect to see him this week, but yeaah. But I'd like that addition to their football team either way and I'll be interested just to see how he looks because they're going to need him to play some high level football.


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[Assistant] No, it wasn't. That's all that matters. That's the point. It meant something to them. And it's not like so egregious and disrespectful that you're like, oh my gosh, how could you do this to another team? You're such a bad, you're such bad sportsmanship.


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[Assistant] No, I mean okay, it's, it's, it's not like the ideal situation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think you're right. It's again, one of those things that


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[Assistant] The Baltimore line deserves credit. Yes, they protected, you know, uh, Lamar Jackson to make throws down the field, but Lamar Jackson's right arm won the game.


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[Assistant] You know, make a few big throws and buy time in the pocket when, okay, I'm protected, no one's open. You know, let me buy a little bit more time and make a throw that way. Uh, you know, I think that's the thing that jumped out to me about the game more than anything as I, as I looked at it.


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[Assistant] But he can fly. And that's a situation that, you know, hey, Justin Simmons ain't built to be covering Hollywood Brown 50 yards down the football field. But I think you're exactly right. That's what it looked like. It was like one of those corner posts, right? Where, yeah, yeah, we've been selling this deep out, deep corner all game.


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[Assistant] You know, and it's a play that, I think it was a split safety defense, I need to see it again on film either way, but yeaah. You know, even if it is a cover two defense,


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[Assistant] You know, that backside safety, once he sees that little lean out, he's not thinking like, wait, I gotta get back there cause they might throw a post 65 yards across the field. And that's really basically, I mean, he threw that about 60 something yards in the air with where he caught the ball. I think he was on his own 45 and he threw it about


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[Assistant] But hey, if they can dial up a few plays like that every week, to me that's one of the things they need to do. They need to be a little bit of like, we're gonna take a few shots here and there.


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[Assistant] Just to back people off their running game, back people off in general so they're not winning. Because that's what Denver was doing yesterday, at least it looked like to me. They were all over the Ravens run game.


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[Assistant] Anytime I thought I saw Lamar really trying to keep the ball or the run game get going, there wasn't a whole lot there. I know it wasn't a bad day rushing, but it wasn't like,


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[Assistant] Oh, there goes Omar gashing him for 20 up the middle. You know, there goes this guy 15 yards off this edge. Oh, there goes Omar again, 20 yards running that way. He didn't look like he could scramble a whole lot or they could get the run game going to like what we're used to out of them.


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[Assistant] It looked okay, I mean the interception was late, right? It was, it was at a point where they had to kinda force the issue.


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[Assistant] You know, so I can't say that I can really like glean anything there, you know, specifically. Unfortunately that Teddy B got hurt. Would have liked to have seen, you know, him out there just to see if they could have


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[Assistant] You know, kept the game a little closer. It's a tough situation for any quarterback to come in like that. Like, okay, we're four weeks in the season. You haven't taken reps with the first team offense and I got to play the Ravens defense. Never easy. Right.


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[Assistant] Pressure and all that is, is, is a lot of different ways. Like, you know what? For a second, go back to Baltimore for one second here because of Daphne away, right? He was all over it. He never got any sex last year. Penn state never got any sex.


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[Assistant] I'm going back to the word patience again, because like we talked about with like the Bucks and the Cardinals, like Rodgers and Green Bay,


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[Assistant] You could tell from the get go, we're like, we're going to get the ball out of our hands quick. We're going to make high percentage throws. We're not going to let Pittsburgh's defense win this game and I'm going to hold the ball and get strip sack fumbled or we're going to dial up some play because we know we can hit the 60 yard bomb and then TJ Watt hit me. I fumbled like they weren't going to do that. It was a game plan of.


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[Assistant] Run the ball. Let's be a little ugly on offense. You know, five yard throw here, six yard throw here. We'll hit a, you know, we'll get a chunk every now and then.


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[Assistant] I think they played the game the right way. You know, they really did. Showing again a toughness and a patience in their game to just go, no, we're good, we're sound.


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[Assistant] You know, Rodgers know, like, don't let Pittsburgh defense get a turnover, get a short field, and Pittsburgh's offense is not that great, and they're gonna have issues. And that's really how it played out, once again, for the Steelers and the Green Bay Packers.


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[Assistant] What's still dealing with that groin, so he's probably not at a full speed yet. Yeaah, but I mean, shit, Rodgers, hey, Rodgers in his prime, alright, Rodgers in his prime was probably a 4-5 guy, 4-5-9, 4-5-8.


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[Assistant] He's probably can still get 4-7. I guess I'll give him 4-7 and change right now at his age.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the, the, the one, like the in-cut, right? Uhm, which, let's see, that made a 23-yard pass, that made it 14 to 7. You know, which was, we'll get to it in a second.


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[Assistant] What was great is, you know, Rogers hung in the pocket.


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[Assistant] And really stayed with the first read, like kind of dropped back and it looked like they had Cobb on a kind of a deep cross and then they had like an in-cut behind him. So he's just going to read it across the field, right?


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[Assistant] I think, you know, he got the look where he's like, wait, Cobb's gonna be there. He kind of got back in the pocket. The pass protection that you mentioned, of course, was key. He kind of slipped around like, okay, nobody's around me. I can wait for him to clear this backside safety or backside linebacker who was over there. And then he just threw a fucking piss missile.


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[Assistant] Right? And, and, uh, Edmonds couldn't even make a play on it. Cobb scored a touchdown that way. Green Bay just, they, they execute. That's the one thing that, it might not always be huge plays, like, might not be the sexiest offensive showing like we saw yesterday, but their execution just,


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[Assistant] First down, stay on, oh, we're gonna run the right play against the right defensive look, always. I thought them playing Dylan yesterday was good.


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[Assistant] You know, you wanna run the ball, the ground's a little wet, we wanna control, like, I don't think you wanna send Aaron Jones in the middle of that defense and get him crushed a whole bunch of times in that game. They use it just right. Space runs, they gave Aaron Jones. Passing the ball, Aaron Jones. Between the tackles, Dylan. And I think that's gonna help their team out as they go forward.


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[Assistant] Well, a lot of it, a lot. He's not playing good. There's no other way around it. It's not like I, I, I don't look at the game and go, oh man, it's really been like, you know, tough sledding every week. There's nobody open in the past. Like I hear people talk about like, you know, lack of pass protection. Damn, his pass protection hasn't been that bad when I watch it, you know, even yesterday.


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[Assistant] One arm, he got his arm cocked up in the pocket like he's gonna like pump and throw the ball and he's, he's got it like that with people all around him and he's already had like three and a half seconds to throw the ball.


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[Assistant] Like, so that to me goes back to like, he's not being realistic with himself and what he is anymore.


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[Assistant] And then, yeaah, a lot of the problems are, are him. Certainly, he hasn't thrown the ball that well, and he has not made good decisions throwing the football in general. And, you know, I think, uh, yeaah, he's certainly to me, one of the top culprits are the problem for that offense right now.


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[Assistant] It is. It was one of those where you're like, man, you don't have a plan for that guy today. We're just gonna let him run around everywhere. Maybe we're like, well, we did have a plan and he was just too fast for it. I mean, first off, I mean, it was very impressive offensive showing. As good as I've ever seen Kansas City run the football in the Andy Reid era. As good as I've ever seen it.


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[Assistant] And you know, they showed again, back to like what we talked about a little bit here, the theme of the day, patience on offense. Like other than his stupid third down interception where again, I mean,


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[Assistant] This is where I go back to Mahomes, I don't think he's 100% moving around. How many times are we gonna see him throw an interception where he thinks he's got a little bit more room to throw the ball and somebody grabs his feet as he's doing it and the ball, he's...


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[Assistant] He's a step slow. I know that now too. I've had people reach out to me. So breaking news, boop ba da boop ba da boop. He's not totally right. He's not totally, I've been told that this is a thing. His foot is not totally right.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I know that. Yes. Right. People have heard me say it on TV and they go, you're, you're on to something. You're, you're, you're right. Will it be better this year? I don't know. I don't know, but it's definitely affected him. Look at other thing you gotta do is like go back and watch him. He's not been good under pressure this year because he can't avoid it the same way.


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[Assistant] He's been the best pressure quarterback in football. I think this year right now he's one of the worst in football. That says something. When you have a gear missing and then...


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[Assistant] You can't maybe cock the ball and load up the way you want to. You can't make.


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[Assistant] The throw may be the way you want to either, but alright, getting back to the point. So give more credit to the offensive line because it's more vital this year than maybe ever. Definitely, 100%. I think he's going to have to play within the pocket more. He's not going to be able to make that magic happen. But great job by them, just like we talked about last week.


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[Assistant] They're not gonna get defenses to change how they play them until they can show they can go 8 plays 77 yards, 12 plays 83 yards, 8 plays 75 yards, 11 plays 75 yards, 11 plays 75 yards, 6 plays 65 yards, and the 6 plays 65 yard one was what?


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[Assistant] It's the end of the game and the defense has gone, shit, we have to come up finally and start something. He gets to throw the deep pass to cut Tyreek for the touchdown on the little corner post play. Now.


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[Assistant] Offense, they're gonna have to do that the whole year. Cause the defense sucks.


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[Assistant] I don't know what to say about Kansas City on defense. I don't know what's happened to them. You don't want to give credit to Jalen Hurts here? Jalen Hurts? Oh, Jalen Hurts, like, did a lot of good things. Definitely do. But we've seen the Chiefs defense suck in every game now.


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[Assistant] I keep thinking like, they'll get it together, they're just, you know, they're a little complicated.


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[Assistant] You know, and they'll start dominating upfront. They can't do anything. They can't do, they can't get off the field. They can't corral the quarterback. They can't make any plays defending the pass. I mean, it's every game. It's the same thing.


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[Assistant] So, I, I mean, you know, I, Jalen Hurts did really good, I'm not trying to take away from that, but what we're talking about, Kansas City, and a team that we're talking about, you're the best player in football, you're talking about Patrick Mahomes, and a Super Bowl team.


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[Assistant] Can they really go to the freaking Super Bowl playing defense like that? I just, I don't know if they can. I mean, this is, this has gotten back to, like,


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[Assistant] Back to like a few years ago when when Mahomes first took over the Sutton defense where you're just like.


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[Assistant] They're horrible. Can they just make one stop today and maybe they can win the game because the offense will just be that amazing.


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[Assistant] They came along, right? Yes, they did. They changed. And you know, last year they were good too. At the very least in like big games and big moments like we've talked about before, Kansas City's defense shows up in those moments. This year, it's, it's, it's run the ball, throw the ball, whatever you want to do on them. You can do it.


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[Assistant] That's really cool. Big Red. Good for him. They don't come any cooler than Big Red. I mean, he really is. He doesn't, you know, probably doesn't get the credit he deserves for the great coach that he really is. Or all time great coach he is.


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[Assistant] It looked really good. They played a style of football that...


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[Assistant] You know, last week against the Browns, it looked like they just said, let's play the Andy Dalton offense and just throw Justin Fields in there. Like, okay, great, but that looked like shit.


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[Assistant] So, the good thing was, you know, I just, underneath center more. I think that's the first thing that jumped out to me. Underneath center, running the ball to Montgomery, the bootlegs, you know, it led to some play action passes down the football field.


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, he did. He played really smooth. You know, I didn't see anything that I just went, oh my gosh, like, he's out of control or bad mistakes. I mean, he looked like he controlled the ball for the most part all game long.


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[Assistant] And, you know, between, like, that's all they need in Chicago. They just need to run the ball a little bit, and then if they can have Justin Fields make two or three splash plays, you know, their defense is good enough to be a pain in the ass for anybody in football, just like you saw yesterday.


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[Assistant] That game is a little misleading. They're up 21-0, I know, but it went 7-0 Chicago, and then Detroit drove right down the football field. They drove a lot. Right. All game, drove right down the football field, and wait, that was when, hold on, let me figure this out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what did they do on the first drive to turn the ball over? Uhm, damn it's gonna kill me.


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[Assistant] Maybe it was a fourth down turn, turn over on down. I can't remember.


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[Assistant] So first drive, first drive was the one where he, Jared Goff was talking still and the center snapped the ball right on third down. That was the first drive? Okay, so I thought that was the second one. So they had that and then yes, the next drive they drove all the way down there and yet we're in the red zone I believe and didn't get a fourth down conversion. I feel like there was something else that even happened there too.


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[Assistant] Yes, you're right. The second drive was a strip sack fumble. Jared Goff had the ball and got hit from behind by Kaliyo Mack. Um, but so yea, Detroit continues to kind of move the ball. They just, you know, seem to make some mistakes at some inopportune times, but, uh, Bears