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[Assistant] As I said with the rookies, and it's a little different than, like, traditionally I've been a hair low with my guys going from the first to the second year.


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[Assistant] I have been. And I, I worry about that a little bit. You know, I would. Those guys are talented.


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[Assistant] They did, they didn't have quite the support system as maybe Justin Herbert had the year before.


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[Assistant] Right? To kind of show you what he was as a rookie to really expect the huge jump. Right? So there's talent here, but there's some things about their game and the team that are hard to evaluate at all. And so those are the ones I questioned too, because like I said the other day, Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson have top 10 type of talent.


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[Assistant] And if they can bring it all together, they can be ones that make even a more severe jump than I gave them.


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[Assistant] Changed your mind about very slightly. Slightly. It was a tight one. It's only, of course, it's always the tight ones. And here was a 20 to 19. Okay.


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[Assistant] 20 to 19 and full transparency here cause I always keep it real.


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[Assistant] Yes, I originally had Carson Wentz written down. I ended up going, nope, I'm gonna move Carson Wentz to 19 and Jimmy Garoppolo 20. I think it's the second time I've done that in my top 40 here so far. So Jimmy Garoppolo is coming in at number 20 and


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[Assistant] I feel comfortable with that too, just so people know, like, oh, it is, yes, this is something I thought about through the weekend, right? I've had a lot of time to digest about it, digest it.


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[Assistant] And Jimmy Garoppolo, hey, there's plenty to like about his game. Let's just start off right there. First off, I mean, one, you hear about my breakdowns, physical ability, read the field, leadership, pocket, all those things. First thing is, he has a tangible leadership or effect on the football team. He's loved in the locker room, players want to play for him.


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[Assistant] You know, he has the ability to lead the guys in the huddle and make them feel comfortable on a field. I think there is something real to that in his game. You know, as far as his play on the field.


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[Assistant] Very quick release, can really get the ball out of his hand in a hurry. People around him, he's very subtle with...


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[Assistant] He is. I mean, when you really watch him, his sliding and moving in the pocket. He's smooth. He knows the soft spots and where to find them and do it from there. And the other thing I love about his game too is he does not need to have his feet.


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[Assistant] He does make a number of throws where he moves in the pocket, the feet are kind of cockeyed. Here's Debo Samuel coming across the field. He drops his arm a little, the feet are in the wrong spot and he still hits them and throws it in a good spot and it's accurate and Debo Samuel can do things. So that's the part I like about Jimmy Garoppolo for sure that he brings to the team.


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[Assistant] I do, I do. You know, I think, again, you heard the positives there, and I like that. You know, his ability to read a defense and diagnose things at times seems very, he can have plays where you go, that was quick. I mean, he diagnosed that, figured out where he wanted to go with the ball, got the ball out of his hand, and that was really impressive. But, yes, you know,


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[Assistant] Again, I don't put a lot of, ton of stock into last year's ranking and looking at that. I kind of let the chips fall where they may.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I think it's pretty safe to say that I feel like he's pretty much this at this point of his career. And you know, the negatives? Listen, it's not a big arm. It's not.


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[Assistant] Power throws are few and far between with Jimmy Garoppolo and there's a number of plays and yards left on the field all the time whether it's him not throwing the ball or him not throwing the ball correctly down the field for a power changing type of play.


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[Assistant] Another thing that like hit me over the weekend when you go back and watch, you know, cause I like to watch these guys one more time before I'm going to talk about them. Just to go, let me see if something else pops in my brain.


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[Assistant] Lot of big time plays and throws that I still sit there and go, well damn if he threw the ball and the money that would have been a 70 yard walk in touchdown. But instead the guy stopped.


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[Assistant] So many of the plays and the great plays that we think of, oh, look at the 49ers, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] I know I sound like a hater here, I do, but they're fucking Kyle Shanahan specials. I don't know how much more we can say it.


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[Assistant] Whoa, this guy goes this way, this guy goes this way and Shanahan stressed it out to where there's Debo Samuel wide open, you know, six yards over the middle of the field because of what Shanahan did and all Jimmy Garoppolo has to do is come up and go, where's Debo? Boom. Oh, I can throw. Look at that. I threw the ball to Debo Samuel, the best receiver in football. And he made this great play after that.


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[Assistant] And that to me is where a lot of his good comes, and I can't give him total credit for some of that stuff. So that, you know, even though it's good, I don't go, wow, maybe like the common fan might, when they see those plays are high.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, and it's great. I love this. This is a great conversation. Okay. So yes, there are some things there. Yes, but this is where we get into context matters brought to you by Chris Sims and Ahmed Farid. Right. So, you know, again,


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[Assistant] The short throes of the Kansas, I think we've had this conversation not long ago actually, some why, somehow this came up with you and me. Did not, did it not? You know, first off,


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[Assistant] Let's not compare much to Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes. The whole offense, the whole league's trying to figure out what the hell they're doing. Their team is formulated around, hey 15, can you


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[Assistant] Carry us and make magic and do, throw lasers all over the field. So, yes, he gets some short passes where there's great catch, but why? It's because his arm's so great and they call plays where, whoa, Tyreek Hill's down the field, Nicole Hardman's down the field.


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[Assistant] So now he's throwing it short and that works. That's different than Shanahan having to be in the lab for seven days straight and being like, okay, I finally got a guy wide open over the middle and all he has to do is throw to that guy and it'll be open. Or we devise a screen to Debo Samuel and I'll call it at the perfect time and he'll do it. There's a difference there.


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[Assistant] One, the skill and the thing you're talking about is being set up by the coach. The other I'd go, it's being set up by the quarterback and his great talents is leading to that stat. And that would also go kind of into the Aaron Rodgers thing.


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[Assistant] Now Rogers, they're a little bit of a short passing game and all that, kinda like Jimmy Garoppolo to a degree, but still.


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[Assistant] Some of these short passes and catches happen. Why? Well, we're worried about Marquez Valdez scaling. Fine down the middle of the field. Rogers can throw a 70 yarder off his back foot. We gotta worry about that. Or, Devonte Adams catching a slam after the catch. Well, shit. I mean, Rogers threw the ball 100 miles per hour through a window the size of a...


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[Assistant] And there's a difference there between that and that. Is that explained well? Totally. I got a little intense there.


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[Assistant] I do think Lance has the ability and the talent, and again, I question it still, to put it all together.


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[Assistant] But I think his top end, even as raw as he is right now, he has a chance to surpass a guy like Jimmy Garoppolo, like coming down the homestretch. You hope he can get to November and we can go, wait, some of those things he was really lacking in, he got better at. So some of those things we missed from Jimmy G, now we're starting to hit on them a little bit.


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[Assistant] He's also done some other things for our offense that have opened it up and made life harder to defend us, even though we might not be as good as some things as we were with Jimmy Garoppolo.


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[Assistant] And I think that's where they're gonna have to balance that conversation a little bit. Lance's skill set is gonna open up things in that offense to where Shanahan's not gonna have to worry about all the time going, I gotta find some way to trick the defense so I can find a guy wide open over the middle. He's just gonna go, wait between our run game, Trey Lance,


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[Assistant] Running some balls. Oh shit, he can throw the ball 60 yards off his back foot. Some of those things are going to open up the offense.


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[Assistant] And it won't be so hard for Shannon to devise things to make it easy for Lance and let alone just go, you know what? They're actually playing a defense where I don't have to be in the lab all week to figure out to get the ball over to Debo because they're a little scared of Tray's running or his big arm to where it's kind of opened that part of the field up for me.


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[Assistant] Right? So does that make sense how I'm explaining that? Totally. So it might not be as efficient or as effective early on, but to me has a chance to surpass it. And nonetheless, with this skill set and that team with Shanahan,


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[Assistant] I think it has a chance to even be a more dangerous offense, even though, listen,


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[Assistant] By my thing here, we're all on the same offense. We're not all on Shane Ahan's offense. We're all playing on the same team. It's the same offense. And yea, he might not be as good at all the columns as Jimmy Garoppolo is, but as far as fitting the 49ers and his danger as far as that fits to them, that's where I think Trey Lance has an advantage over Jimmy Garoppolo.


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[Assistant] Yes he does. The screen games. Yea, but you can see the screen games apart, and yea, but you're right, you know, you pointed out, you can see there's more of a...


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[Assistant] There's more of a concentration with Trey Lance of the ball outside the numbers. One, hey, I think it's, he's got a strong arm and he can do it more. Two,


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[Assistant] I do think there was, he wasn't quite in the trust tree with Shanahan. So Shanahan was like, eh, I don't know if I really want him throwing some of those six or seven or eight yard lasers over the middle of the Debo Samuel. He was throwing high too. He was throwing high. The accuracy was a little off. He was throwing a little too hard. So those are safer spots too. But that's to me, hey, this is the point where we're showing here.


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[Assistant] Continue to grow some of the red on the outside, then you start to go, oh shit, it's hard to pinpoint where they're attacking and what they're doing. And man, there's a lot of field to cover with this team, even though it might not be


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[Assistant] You know, 72% completion percentage. He's probably going to miss a few throws and things like that, Trey Lance. But I still think ultimately it'd be a harder offense to defend because of him and Shanahan and how talented the 49ers are as a team.


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[Assistant] Dependability, and, and here, you know, here's the last thing I think that kinda hammers home 20.


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, I know, they were in the NFC Championship game, he did some good things, I know that.


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[Assistant] He still makes way too many dumb decisions. Like rookie first year, early in the second year type of, where you just go, what? Like, you've played too much football to do that. How do you do that? You know? And then there's even some throws like that at times too.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, you, listen, you don't, all you can do, you can go back and watch the last four games of the year and see kind of all of that, just what I'm talking about. Whether it's dumb interception in the championship game, dumb interception in the divisional game against, you know, Green Bay before the half where they're driving down there and he's running backwards and throws the ball and like thinks he's Josh Allen and just throws the ball at 10 yard short interception. You know, the, the week before that,


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[Assistant] I mean, it's wide open. Brandon Iuke, if he hits them, the game's over on a, like a 15 yard out route and he doesn't even let them touch the ball and have a chance to catch it. The game's over. It's like, Hey, that's over. See you next year, Dallas. Instead, what'd they do? They punted, Dallas went down and scored and all of a sudden we were in a nail biter.


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[Assistant] Because of that. So, you know, those are the things, again, that I think get lost in context when the year's over. Cause we go, well look, he played good. They got to the championship game.


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[Assistant] Look at some of these stats and all that. And you go, yeah, that's cool. But when you go back and break it down, you go, damn, there was some meat left on the bone and damn, they should have been better or more dangerous. And I think he's one of the reasons they're not at times.


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[Assistant] Washington commanders, quarterback, I'm still having a hard time spitting that out of my mouth. It's gonna take a while. I literally only said the like Philadelphia and the Colts at the same time there when I was about to say what team he was. I was like, the Phil-duh Colts. Uh, but yes, Carson Wentz. Hey!


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[Assistant] Negatives? He's got some of the things Jimmy Garoppolo has. Yea. I mean, some of them where you just go, you're too smart. You know, you play too many...


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[Assistant] Right. And it gets the Tennessee Titans. Right. I mean, there's a number of those type of plays throughout the year. Or sacks.


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[Assistant] Or strip sax. Where you go, man, you just played too long. What are we doing? Why are we still sitting there? You've been in there for seven seconds.


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[Assistant] Throw the ball away. Get out of the pocket. Well, he takes a sack. Or the ball gets strip-sacked and pumbled. So again, I didn't mean to start with the negatives here, but just because we were kind of talking about with Garoppolo. You're like, he's moved ahead of Jimmy Garoppolo, but he's been bad. Well, there's a lot of similarities to why they're here where they are. Sure. You know, he, though, okay, what I would say is,


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[Assistant] You know, yes, can force the ball in the tight windows.


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[Assistant] Alright, so it's that, you talk about, you know, the dumb interceptions, and those are some of the similarities of the Garoppolo, except here's the difference to me.


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[Assistant] You know, Wens can really make some game-changing plays and throws. There's a difference there.


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[Assistant] You know, and again, he's out on the 49ers with Deebo Samuel and George Kittle in the best run game in football. People gotta remember that too. We're all on the same team here. You know, he didn't have that type of talent around him that Garoppolo did. But, Pitman was pretty good. Pitman was good. Jonathan Taylor was awesome.


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[Assistant] You know, he can stand in there, I will say this, the pocket collapsing, people bearing down on him. He's phenomenal that way. He can make big time throws down the field.


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[Assistant] He can make big time power plays and power throws to what we were talking about with Jimmy Garoppolo. We don't have to always worry about, you know, trying to find a way to get the ball to the receiver eight yards over the middle and find seven different moving parts to do that.


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[Assistant] They can just call plays and go, damn, it's one on one. There's a 20 yard out route. Throw it. Boom. He hits it. He can make like.


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[Assistant] Alright, so those things are clearly better than Garoppolo. Now where it was close and why we're having this conversation, I'm kind of just comparing the two, is he's not nearly the leader or the person that Jimmy Garoppolo is. Does not have that effect. I mean, we're seeing two years in a row where teams are like, please leave the locker room, we'll see you on their next team.


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[Assistant] I think he's stubborn from the things I hear. Again, this is his hearsay. I'm not saying I know direct from sources. I just hear things from the league. He can be a little tough to coach.


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[Assistant] You know, I think it's, yes, he doesn't have a great effect in the locker room. He seems to be a little clueless about the circumstances surrounding the team. Again, I brought this up before. You know, you're a quarterback, you got to be aware to a degree. I know we want to block out the noise, but you can't be the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles.


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[Assistant] And block out the noise so much to the extent that you don't realize Doc Rivers has been hired as the 76ers coach. And like somebody asks you about it and you're like, Oh, that happened? Yeah, it happened 10 days ago in your town and you're a big sports figure. You've got to know these things. You know, it kind of speaks to the same thing with Indianapolis that like, I,


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[Assistant] Which tells you that he doesn't have a clue or relationship to a degree to kind of read the room or the feeling of the room or his effect on the room. Which, you know, I think maybe gets into the, I don't know, stubbornness, whatever, ego, doesn't, you know, relate to the players quite the same way like we heard in Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] The relationships in the locker room are important or, you know, let me go get a burger with these guys. So, you know, they feel like we're in this together. I think there's something there. I can't quite pinpoint it, but there is something there. And I think that's why he's on another team.


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[Assistant] Close to Garoppolo, that's where I'm talking about. Garoppolo, you know, very good in the pocket, just like Wenz, probably better in the pocket as far as moving, finding the right spot always, but not so much to where I could put the leadership and the pocket stuff.


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[Assistant] You know, his arm, I don't know if it's as powerful as it was early in the year, or early in his career. You know, he can, he gets an elbow-y throw. And that can lead to the flop of the arm and him missing some throws where you just go, damn, you're too good to miss that throw. Certainly.


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[Assistant] And hey, the other thing, you go back and watch the year, man, he was, he was fortunate. He had a lot of interceptions dropped when I watched the, some, some, some, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, watch all the throws back. And again, I know everybody did, but there's a little more with Wentz than there is on the other guys. I'm just, that's why I'm saying this. You know, and, you know, early in the year, even though they played some tough teams, his stats don't look that bad. He did not play that good early in the year.


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[Assistant] He missed a lot of plays, throws, bad decisions.


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[Assistant] You can make that case with some of those stats. You definitely could. I mean, again, it wasn't all bad last year. Don't get me wrong. There was still a lot of good. There definitely was. But can we take a look at the dumb turnovers, the unnecessary sacks, leadership,


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[Assistant] You know, too many games where I go, too many plays and throws where I go. Man, the ball hit the ground, like.


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[Assistant] I know one wasn't open, but he stayed there and tried to force it and it was incomplete. And you go, damn, two and three are wide open. Like, why didn't we sit there and do that? Or, you know, he looks at one and gets it off too quick and then he forces it too. There's too many games where you, I came away going, you know, shit.


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[Assistant] There was a handful of plays in that game where the ball was rolling down the middle of the field because it was incomplete and it's like there was a few people open and that shouldn't have happened.


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[Assistant] And that was cause he's trying to force it or make something happen too long or maybe looking in the rush and looking to make an escape before he should. It's little things like that that I think piled up and probably were the ending of him in Indianapolis.


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[Assistant] It definitely is. And yes, I mean, listen, he stumbles and doesn't play well against some of those teams there.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that could be an issue. There's no doubt. And you know, you're right, that Keenum has some of the things that we're not sure he has. And that's why Keenum, I mean, Keenum, uh, Heineken, has kind of, they are the same kind of guy, has kind of hung in there, because of some of those intangibles you're talking about.


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[Assistant] So that'll be scary. You know, I hear, you know, again, I pay attention to everything.


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[Assistant] And I saw some comments, I think, uh, last week with Wentz, you know, his arm, his arm, his arm's so strong.


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[Assistant] You know, and I'm like, yeah, he's got a good arm. There's no doubt. He can make some big time plays and throws. They've also haven't seen a strong arm there in Washington in a few years. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but like Heineken and Ryan Fitzpatrick are, there's not vapor trails behind their football when they throw it.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, and Alex Smith, right. So they've had three kind of like,


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[Assistant] Very below average, NFL arms there. They got him in town, now they look like lasers there. But it'll be interesting to see. You know, there's some things to work on, definitely. But he is big, strong, can make game-changing throws. He can make some big-time plays. He's a very good athlete to make off-schedule throws. But, it's like,


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[Assistant] Shit as it gets shaky. You know, whether it's the two losses at the end of the year, go back and watch the damn...


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[Assistant] Patriots game. They're controlling the game. He's, he's, he's begging them to come back. He's trying to throw them the ball. They're dropping interceptions all over the field. He's hitting them in the chest like, come on, let's make this a game.


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[Assistant] No, I can't put any of those people in front of this guy yet.


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[Assistant] You know, I can't lie, going back and watching Mac Jones, it's better than I remember.


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[Assistant] And again, this is the guy we were talking about, really being the Rookie of the Year for the majority of the year.


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[Assistant] This is the guy that was the quarterback of the football team that we were going, is this the best team in football in the middle of the year? Okay, I just wanted to point these out. At no point did we think they were that great at receiver or explosive at any of those positions to go, oh wow, this is a really well-oiled explosive offense. Their running game hit moments. I mean, come on.


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[Assistant] How much, I mean, Mac Jones is a rookie. They can put everything on him.


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[Assistant] It was as, as much pressure as far as a system and a team and a city and a fan base can be on a quarterback than we've ever seen. Let alone the pictures of his body and you can't take him before you take Trey Lance or Justin Fields. He had all the pressure on him. And then he had to play with, you know, again, uh,


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[Assistant] Manage nearly to the degree of massage. Kinda like, hey, you gotta learn these plays. This is real stuff here.


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[Assistant] And you gotta read these and really be a pro quarterback like, uh, week one. You gotta be ready week one. We need to be a pro.


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[Assistant] And we gotta be able to run the two minute and we need to be able to you to depend on you on third and four that you'll throw pin pass point, pin pinpoint passes for five yards like Brady did in year 15 of his career. I mean, that's basically what he was asked to do. You know, with no down the field threat to scare people.


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[Assistant] You know, so that's where I, when I went back and watched, I went, damn Max, it was better than I even remembered.


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[Assistant] And I think incredible accuracy. You know, you talk about the pocket. He's...


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[Assistant] He's a natural in the pocket. We talked about it coming out in the draft, and I think he'll even get better, but again, another guy that


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[Assistant] I know it's not the greatest athlete, but he's a way better athlete than he gets credit for. So man, his movement in the pocket always allows him either the extra second or just find a clean spot to now make the appropriate throw down the field. I mean, incredible touch. Incredible anticipation.


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[Assistant] Pinpoint accuracy like I was saying with any intermediate throws. Do I wish his arm was a little bit more stronger or explosive? Sure. But you know what? Going back and watching it, and watching all his throws again, I went


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[Assistant] His arm, for some reason, is better than what I picture it in my mind at times. Made a lot of big time throws down the field, but not necessarily big time players like I'm talking about. Had a lot of big time throws and plays drop.


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[Assistant] You know, so there was a lot of that. Uhm, but still makes a lot of big time down the field throws. You know, uhm, maybe the best rookie decision maker I've ever seen. Sure. Okay. Which we heard coming out of the draft. I know. And that's what a lot of people are going to say.


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[Assistant] Well, yes, I think in my heart of hearts, if Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson and all that, they're gonna pass him. I don't know if it's gonna be this year. That's where I can't put that stamp of approval on it yet. He still has...


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[Assistant] Quite an advantage in some areas over there to where I just couldn't, I couldn't say, oh, just because you have ten potential and talent, I'm gonna throw, I gotta see some little bit more tangible evidence.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, I think that it's, I, I, from where we are right now, yes, I cannot put Zach Wilson there yet. I just can't.


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[Assistant] You know, yes, like down the stretch, did Wilson make more wow plays and have wow moments? Yes. He also made more dumb mistakes and probably forced some balls into some windows that I wouldn't, you know, necessarily agree with either. Alright, to be fair there.


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[Assistant] A hundred percent, a hundred percent. So, you know, it's a very good question, but no, I'm not sold.


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[Assistant] This guy's smart. I hear what he says. He realizes he's got to throw the ball a little bit with a little more power and strength in his arm and be a little more explosive that way. So he's aware of that.


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[Assistant] You know, so I, I wouldn't be shocked to see if the ball, like Joe Burrow, you know, from year one to year two, where all of a sudden, whoa, his arm looks a little stronger this year. There's a few more power throws in his game. You know, he's no idiot here. He self-evaluates. And then, hey, the other thing too is, you know, just, again, how he was trusted. If you go back and watch games and how it played out,


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[Assistant] The way the game plays out, I sit here and go, the Patriots trusted Mack Jones more than the 49ers trusted Garoppolo or the Colts trusted Wentz. There's no doubt about it. The way they called plays, certain situations, the plays they called in those situations just told me that they trusted Mack Jones.


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[Assistant] You know, too many plays with Garoppolo. It's like, whoa, there's two shaky plays in a row. It's third and five. Let's just throw a fucking screen and hopefully we get it. If we don't, we punt away. Same thing with Wens. It's like,


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[Assistant] You know what, let's just block it up and send somebody deep and let them throw it over there.


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[Assistant] And then there's Mac Jones, they're like, it's turn four, let's call that.


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[Assistant] Like, on the left side, the guy that fakes the slant and goes back out, and there'll be a guy running the outrout over the top, and tell him to read that, and if he doesn't like it, want to come back to the middle of the field, and we got another two or three guys coming into some tight areas there, and we want him to make that throw. And to me, that's where there's a difference between him and, even though his talent's not as good as Wentz right now, but he's way more trustworthy with the ball, he's more accurate, and, you know, with Garoppolo,


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[Assistant] You know, again, yeaah, I think he's more talented and smarter already, so that was kind of easy that way.


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[Assistant] No, he's gonna evaluate it for what it is. Anything you've heard about the guy, that's kinda what he is.


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[Assistant] I know he was aware of it early last year. He was aware of it. He knows he had to change his body a little bit. Alright, so he did that. Last time I checked, Brady's body wasn't that great coming out either. And it's okay now. Right, we've seen the pictures. And to your, you know, to the other thing too that sometimes gets lost in translation,


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[Assistant] It's just a little bit with a guy like Mac Jones this can happen to, who's pocket quarterback. You're in high school, you're in college. All they tell you, get bigger, get bigger.


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[Assistant] When I'm 227, I'm, I'm ripped, I'm quicker, my arm's quicker, I feel better as a human being, and you get to the NFL and you start to realize, whoa, shit, most of the league is actually on a diet. They're all trying to stop putting weight on, cause the game is about speed,


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[Assistant] You know, and being able to move and be explosive and quick in those areas. Yea, you gotta balance out, I need a little armor on me so I can take some hits and some punishment.


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[Assistant] That's more times are not what happens too. I was like that.


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[Assistant] I mean, my sophomore and junior year, our strength coach down in Texas, he wasn't going to be happy unless I was 240 plus. He wasn't going to be happy. The happiest day of his life was when I was 240. I mean, he was like, oh my, he was like a proud papa. Why did it matter? It didn't. I made me slower.


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[Assistant] It did. I just look at pictures sometimes and my old college friends make fun of me because they're like, man, you don't really look like that, but you don't look that flattering in that picture. And it's like, yeah, cause I was eating like


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[Assistant] Brady's made those adjustments. Rogers has made those adjustments. Burrow has made those adjustments.


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[Assistant] I mean, so yes, I think that Mack Jones is very aware of what he needed to improve and, you know, again, watching it back, it was an impressive year. They did not have an easy schedule.


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[Assistant] That was a tough, tough start of their schedule. He hung in there. They expected a lot of them. He really had to play quarterback at a pretty high level, right from the get-go. And he did that. And I think the thing that pops off to you more than you realize when you go back and watch is you go,


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[Assistant] Damn, not only did he did that, he made some shit happen. He made some plays and some throws where you just go,


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[Assistant] Play what a read that coverage. Oh my gosh. What a throw and ability to read and diagnose that that hurry and then get the ball out of the hand and put the ball into the hand of the receiver in such a spot where he can make something happen. That stuff was next level, let alone he wasn't careless in the pocket or make stupid decisions nearly as much.


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[Assistant] As Wentz or Garoppolo. Not the same talent around him as Garoppolo, certainly.


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[Assistant] Florian and I did an AFC, best non-quarterbacks of the AFC East today. You know, we had six picks, right? Me three, him three. We didn't leave the Dolphins or the Bills.


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[Assistant] We never got to any jet player. And even though the Patriots have a lot of good, I don't know if there was anybody great enough that we're gonna make a top three player in the division.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I mean, the AFC is big, big time. The AFC East is really big time. I mean, and again, even with the Jets, yeaah, they're bringing up the rear. You look at them on paper and you go, the Jets have a chance to be a pain in the ass here. To where, yeaah, that could


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[Assistant] He really is. He's getting that mad. He has like 3 different commercials with him, right? He's like, I'll be over in 10. I'll be over in 10, I'll just keep your phone unlocked, I'll download the app for you. Alright, well, if Drew doesn't come to your house,


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[Assistant] There's no other way to say it. And that's where we're going with Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I know, last year it might have not been, you know, to your stats and your highs. You might go, I don't know if he's the 16th or 17th or whatever best quarterback in football. I think we all need to pump the brakes. We do.


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[Assistant] You know, first off, he's, Baker Mayfield has a big time arm. I mean, it's big time. It's a game changing arm.


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[Assistant] And again, just go back and watch some of the throws he made early in the year before he got hurt or even when he was just hurt a little bit early in the year and it hadn't gotten due.


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[Assistant] Oh no, he hurt his shoulder more. And oh no, he's got another injury to go along with his shoulder. Because if you watch early in the year, whether it's the Texans, the Chiefs, you know, even the Bears game, the Chargers game, I mean, shit, there's a lot of game changing big time throws from Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] I mean, it is. That's the one thing when you go back and watch it, you go, man, he makes a lot of throws that change the, the flow of the football game.


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[Assistant] Sees the field pretty well. Are there times where he forces the ball and does some stupid things? Sure.


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[Assistant] I mean, we can get into that, but I don't think it's like, I don't look at it to go, oh man, Baker Mayfield's just, he's reckless. I don't trust him there. I don't.


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[Assistant] You know, also, you've heard me talk about, first of all, it wasn't great receiver play there last year. He did have an issue with Odell, whatever you want to say. That's the one thing when you go back and watch the throws from the year, that's the only negative, just going,


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[Assistant] Odell's open, why didn't we throw to him? There had to be an issue there. It just pops off and you watch it.


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[Assistant] And like I told you at the time, I mean, I see some of those plays and go, wait, I know that Odell's the first read. He never looked at them. So there was some issue there. I don't know what it is. Now, the offense itself is not necessarily crazy creative, as you've heard me explain before.


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[Assistant] You know, he's not a great athlete to go run for 15 or 20 yards, but he's quick in the pocket and then he's quick in the pocket again to wait, I dodged a guy, I missed a guy. Oh wait, there's a guy going across the field, 25 yards down the field. Let me set up and get my arm and boom and let it fly. He can really do that at a high level.


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[Assistant] So that's where he's great. Now can he play a little small in the pocket at times? Sure. Yes, that's not one of his best things. Is he gonna get outside the pocket like Josh Allen or Mahomes and necessarily make plays like that and then manipulate the coverage and throw, you know, some laser around the field? No, those aren't his best things. You know, no, definitely not.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I think when you talk about Baker Mayfield's effect as a leader, it's pretty damn good. When you get to the physical ability aspect of this, again, his arm is in the top 10, 12 in football, for sure, as far as strength. And then the decision making,


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[Assistant] I don't really have a problem with the decision making for the second year in a row when I go back and watch it. I think this year where there's some decisions made because oh no, I might get hit.


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[Assistant] And my shoulder hurts and I don't want to do that. Or, ooh, I'm not healthy and I don't like to throw this throw, so I'm going to pass it off and go to another one. And that affected, I think, some of his decision making, which happens when you're injured. You know, you start to do that.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I think too much is being made by the very end of the year, when he was falling apart, and being gutsy and trying to play, it's being over-evaluated in my opinion. As compared to like I started off, when you watch the first five games of the year, and he's not, I know his shoulders hurt in game three,


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[Assistant] But he's not like, totally incapacitated. You go, holy shit, the guy makes a lot of big time plays and throws and sees the field pretty damn well. Yea, when he's right and playing well, all you gotta do is look at his


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, hopefully. You know, again, we got to keep in the context too. He's had a lot of different offensive systems here. All right. And I'm going to just point out, I mean, again, Odell being on the team last year, great, had the injury, but like, man,


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[Assistant] What I, what I want people, they don't have a lot of separation guys there in Cleveland. Like Jarvis Landry and Donovan People Jones aren't just like, DBs aren't like, you know, shaking in their boots when they come to line scrimmage. Like, Oh my gosh, I got to cover this guy one on one. That that's not there. They're not known for that.


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[Assistant] So again, I don't think like the weapons around him were necessarily all that great either to open up the field a little bit and open up some passing lanes for him because these guys can separate from people. I think that's gotta be taken into account with this situation as well.


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[Assistant] They've done this to him. They put him in this situation. All he did was gut it out and play hard.


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[Assistant] Alright. And then they went and did the Deshaun Watson thing, then continued to flirt with him, went and go visit him, piss off Baker Mayfield, which is crazy that they didn't think that would piss him off, then release some things to the media about, you know, I need an adult in the room and all that kind of stuff. Right? So somebody there said that. Alright. So then there's that. And now they're going to hold them hostage.


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[Assistant] He might have to make them uncomfortable at some point. He might have to start showing up at the facility. He really, he might have to.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, he can't afford, in my opinion, at this point of his career to go...


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[Assistant] They just stand pat and let them control him and him be on their roster and go, well, we'll keep you and we'll pay you. We got to pay you anyways. So we're just going to hold you hostage until we get something you want. He needs to play.


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[Assistant] He's at the point of his career where things are going in the right direction and they were really going in the right direction until he got hurt. And that kind of knocked things off kilter and he can't just have a year of not playing quarterback here.


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[Assistant] 100%. That's one of the teams I, I still am low on the radar. If he gets released, I would not be surprised if I saw him end up there.


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[Assistant] You know, there's no doubt, but this is where the politics of the sports get involved. This is like kind of where you're going. Yeah, there's the rookies. We know we're going to keep them. Sure. Oh wait, we got two, uh, he's our number five pick in the draft a few years ago. We're trying to make that work still.


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[Assistant] You know, and then you get into the Baker Mayfield. Hey, there's a perception out there about him a little that's going to hurt him in the eyes of some teams. And then there's also the future contract consideration that also cloudies the conversation too. Wait, we get him here. He's an upgrade, but shit.


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[Assistant] You know, he played good, but damn, he wants 48 million a year now. We traded him, now he wants 48 million a year.


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[Assistant] Man, we like him, but damn, we didn't want to pay him 48 million a year. So I think that hurts his value too. I think that's where, you know, he probably was asking for a lot. I think that's probably where things went wrong with Cleveland and him is he was asking for a big number and they're going,


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[Assistant] That's a little much right now. We'd like you to prove yourself a little bit more. And then I think that's where the flirting with Deshaun Watson went and all that. So I think that's gonna hurt him a little bit. But your point is, is valid.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I had, you know, they're, they're talented. And then listen, that's scary because you're going to go there and you go, wait, I'm not just going to physically outshine them completely, even though I do think Baker's arm is better than those two. So that's where it's scary. I've had some people like go like, I wouldn't go there if I was him. Oh, that's scary. I'm not so sure. But, you know,


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[Assistant] Not that I wouldn't go there, I just, I think Baker Mayfield would beat out Gino or Drew Locke, no question about it. It'd be a shame if Baker Mayfield doesn't play that.


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[Assistant] Hey, he was a tough one. When you play like that and you're hurt all year. He was 13 last year for you, so you did drop him down a little bit. Right, right. Yup, I did. You know, the one thing I just didn't love about his year is that, you know, I do feel like he let the shoulder


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[Assistant] affect some decisions at times. And then, you know, the other thing is just, you know, a little bit of the


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[Assistant] Hey, there's a few of the sour puss moments, I'll say, for lack of a better way to say it. The Detroit game, he's mad at the fans bullying him, and, you know, he didn't play as well as he'd have liked, and he gets a little aggravated there. Those are things I wish Baker Mayfield would cut out, but they're still way more positive than negative.


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[Assistant] Zach Wilson's the one I look at to go watch out. You know, I know we had this conversation a few minutes ago.


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[Assistant] You know, between what I saw at the end of the year, the arm as physically gifted as it is, their offense was a little more advanced than maybe I gave it credit for last year and what they were asking him to do. And then, yeaah, I think, you know,


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[Assistant] The talent they have there and things like that. He could have a chance to really show his ass a little bit this year and surprise some people for sure. Now who could drop down the most probably is a guy that's not been discussed yet, but maybe, I mean, or it could be one of the two guys we talked about today. I wouldn't be shocked if we were sitting here going, man, Wenz and Garoppolo, they,


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[Assistant] They threw 17 interceptions and 10 touchdown passes and they're, you just can't trust them.


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[Assistant] They didn't have, you know, they didn't have Shanahan and Frank Reich dialing up people wide open for them. So you saw the true color of the guy there. I mean, that, that, you know, again, at a, at a base level, those would be my quick thoughts. I hadn't seen these questions till right now.


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[Assistant] Doesn't that kind of feel like it? What do you think? I think so. Yes, I do. You know, I do. I don't think it's crazy. I mean, Garoppolo almost did win a Super Bowl with the 49ers. I don't think it's crazy to think of even some of the rookies that we've gone by to go, you know, I don't know if their teams are going to be able to deliver that. That's the question that's always here.


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[Assistant] Man, you put the right team around them, and they grow the way I expect them to grow. And what I think these guys are.


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[Assistant] That this could be, you, you could win a Super Bowl with that, that group there and above. But yeah, I think we're just starting to hit.


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[Assistant] You know, the real traditional, yes, for the sake of this conversation, probably about right now. But yeah, I think some of those rookies, I don't think that's crazy again. You know, Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow were Super Bowl quarterbacks last year. They were Super Bowl quarterbacks. It wasn't, they didn't get to, you know, Joe Burrow, Herbert, you had Herbert on a better team, he might have been in the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Uh, we'll see, but I think we've gotten into that conversation. You know me, first off, David Pepping. I'm not one into, it's always gotta be the superstar team. It doesn't always have to be that.


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[Assistant] That's what it does. That's exactly right. Or we got them injuries and we're not playing good. The top five quarterback keeps you in it and everybody still thinks, I think they're still one of the best teams in the league. And you're like, Oh, they're playing like shit. He's just awesome. I was the chiefs last year. But they make it. Yeah. But they made it through that tough smart. And then they start to play good and you go, I see there. And that's your point is exactly right.


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[Assistant] That's what the top five quarterback does. He keeps you in the conversation always. He always makes you dangerous. You know, yeah, some of these other guys, they're not capable of doing some of that stuff.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think I, I don't know if I always will. I just think that right now he's, he's, you know, got him beat. I think last year where I pushed so hard in the draft rankings is there was two things at play there that I didn't like.


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[Assistant] In fact, I got less questions about Zach Wilson than him. So I got passionate about that, that aspect. Because you couldn't tell anybody anything different. So I probably did sound like a jerk a little bit on my high horse at times. Because, you know, but like, you know, also


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[Assistant] The guy had maybe the greatest year I've ever seen in college football history other than Joe Burrow the year before, and he's making plays and throws all over the field, but we're going to use every excuse possible not to give him credit. I mean, everyone possible is going to be used against him.


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[Assistant] And that to me is probably where you probably heard that a little bit. But I'm not gonna just stick to something because I think I'm gonna stick to it or I had it this way at once. Sure. So, and, and uhm, Trevor Lawrence's talent, no question, is greater than Mac Jones.


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[Assistant] And it just, we gotta see it a little more on a consistent basis. We saw snippets here and there.


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[Assistant] We saw some games and some quarters where I went, that was awesome by Trevor Lawrence. But then I could see a quarter in the next game and go, that is horrendous. He missed like seven slam dunk passes and then through a dumb interception. So that's where we're still growing as Trevor Lawrence is concerned in that department.


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[Assistant] In the fields, you know, I probably would have gone into this whole exercise and go, Lamar Jackson's the best running quarterback in football, Josh Allen's number two.


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[Assistant] I came away going, no, Lamar Jackson is number one, Justin Fields is number two, and then I'd probably go Josh Allen. Yeah, I'm taking Josh Allen over Kyler Murray's running and stuff like that. Cause again, you can run third and one, smash it into a linebacker with Josh Allen. Right. That's a real thing, so you gotta take that into account.


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[Assistant] And then, where I'll say where I was impressed with Justin Fields, and I'm gonna go back to it one more time. Fields...


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[Assistant] Even though I questioned this wrong, and I still got some questions. I do!


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[Assistant] But, Fields is more consistent of a thrower than Trubisky was off the bat.


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[Assistant] Now Fields, the fact that he just tried to be a little smoother and took a few miles per hour off the ball as compared to college.


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[Assistant] To me, it really made the difference in him controlling the football and putting it in the proper spots. And I think he was definitely a little more advanced than Trubisky was that department coming out and pretty damn good last year, you know, when he had pocket and people open in that department. We gotta figure out how that happened.


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[Assistant] And I know some of the stuff, and you know, you're right, I need to get to the bottom and hear from Justin Fields. You know, one of the things is, like I said, he didn't try to be too aggressive and crazy with it. I still don't like that his motions like this at times, but he never tried to overthrow, and I felt like there was a little bit of a...


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, a concerted effort just to keep the motion of hair tighter. Maybe not let the ball drop behind him quite as much. He kinda, yea, it still got here, but it was like right there in a good compact spot. And I think that helped him a lot last year.


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[Assistant] That's what my defense can be. Zach was, you know, to that point, we're like, it seems a little nice. We're not sure yet.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's one where I'd look at to go. You're a little low there. Okay. Uhm, I think Prescott and McCarthy probably should have been a little higher. Same with Reich and Wentz. I just think the size of those four human beings was enough to move them up. Yep. Like Prescott and McCarthy, those are big dudes. And so was Wentz and Reich.


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[Assistant] To where, you know, those would have been the ones that jumped out to me maybe a little bit more. You were way too high.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't say, I'm not gonna say that. I was gonna go golf and Campbell, but Campbell's worth like two coaches, so it's hard not to argue against that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I understand it. I mean, Pete, you're right. One, at one point of his life looked like he, like his nose is a little crooked, like he's taken a few jabs in the face before. Right, but I mean, he is 71, like you're saying. We're getting close to Kane territory. You can't win a lot of fights when you're holding a Kane, alright?


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[Assistant] Got a little concussion issue, so we might not want to be, you know, mixing in there too much. Right, I gotcha, I gotcha. I don't, you know, the more I think about it, I mean, Mahomes, I think, would be a handful. I think Mahomes, he's thick and strong, but yea, I mean, age for the head coach does play into this a little bit. It does play into it.


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[Assistant] He's a big dude. He's a, it's the one thing about Kevin O'Connell. I mean, he's, he is, he's big square head, big square shoulders. Yeah. Uhm, but I, I hear you there. We don't know about this group. We don't know. They're unknown.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, you thought it was something like old man tricks that he figured out.


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[Assistant] That's what he used to say to you, Kirk Cousins, when he shows that you're tougher than 29.


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[Assistant] Right. I, that's, that's fair. They're both age, I mean, he's aging. Lefleur's not a huge human being either. I feel like they're like, they'd, if they got in a fight, they'd want to like trick you and be like, like, hey, look over there, then they'd punch you. They're that group. They'd be very conniving. Which they could. They would have to use their mental, they'd have to use their mental acuity. Mental abilities, right.


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[Assistant] I would take Carson Lentz in a fight over Matt Ryan. I think that's fair, especially at Matt Ryan's age of his career.


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[Assistant] It's kind of a thinner, longer type of quarterback there.


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[Assistant] Frank Reig, though, yeaah, you know, he is a big dude. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] So I, I kinda am so far. Cause I know some of the other combinations that are gonna be before some of these that I see. They're gonna go, I, I, you're, I don't think you're right. I don't think you could put them in front of some of these people.


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[Assistant] No, he's, I think again, it's probably another guy like LeFleur. He's very cerebral. Yes. He'd like to like come in there and tactically like have a game plan to attack you that way.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, they're sitting there like, yeaah, getting, waiting to counterpunch.


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[Assistant] You throw the first pun. Sure. Sure. But, uh, yeaah, okay. And, you know, Derek Carr's got some toughness there. He definitely does. He's tough as hell. He is, but I, I, I got no problem with that.


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[Assistant] I think it too. I think he could be a little tougher and a little bit more of a pain in the ass than maybe you give him credit for. And you're right, with Deshaun Watson though, too. I just don't know what you're going to get at this point. Tough, can take a hit.


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[Assistant] What an athlete can create some arm speed. I mean, and he's got some like lower half power and ability there. So yeah, I don't know. That's what the first one maybe had questions so far. Maybe it could have been higher, but we're 11.


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[Assistant] That's tough. You're right. You know, Dennis Allen, we gotta see first. We gotta see a little bit. Jameis, yes. He's a little banged up and injured. I mean, somebody just falls on the leg. It's over. You lost the fight. So we gotta get healthier there too.


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[Assistant] He's like, no, he's, you know, he's, he's a decent athlete. Oh boy. He's got some fire in him, for sure. Alright. Right?


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[Assistant] I don't see him, I think a lot of like these offensive guys though, I think he'd rather be tactically smart than just get in a brawl room fight. He's almost in that McDaniel's Lefleur category. Which is why he's in the bottom third. Which is why we had Lefleur.


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[Assistant] He will, he will fight dirty. He will kick a kicker. He will leave his team and let them fly home and stay at the bar. I mean, yes, he'll do all those things.


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[Assistant] No doubt about it. I think that's a little, that's a little low.


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[Assistant] You think Doug would hold his own? I do. Doug's another guy. He's a big dude.


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[Assistant] Big dude, Trevor's a big dude. That would be, this one and the one we got here I think that you got coming up are the ones that I would probably say are a hair low for me.


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[Assistant] So now you're really thinking I'm low. Yeah, this is my biggest issue with your list so far. It's the only one that I'll push back against. McCarthy is big and


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[Assistant] I don't know, he's one of those guys when you see him, he looks tough, I'll just say that, alright? And then where I wanna challenge you and go...


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[Assistant] Who do you think is going to beat Dak Prescott up at quarterback? Like who? That's the only reason I challenge you. You know, you can, you know, you can switch the rankings as we go forward if you want to switch them. It's your list or whatever. So you don't, don't feel, but Prescott to me,


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[Assistant] Is an ass kicker. And I wouldn't want to fight Dak Prescott. That's for sure. I think he'd be...


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[Assistant] You know, towards the top of the quarterback rankings. That's, that's my only pushback. That's, that was my really the only one I looked at to go, wow.


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[Assistant] You're just not sure. I'm not sure offensively. Conditioning you gotta worry about too. Exactly. Two punches, they might be out of breath and they're like in the corner like hold on. Yes. Where's the oxygen tank?


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[Assistant] I'm glad, well I'm glad that somebody else has got to take some Twitter criticism other than me. You're joining the fray.


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[Assistant] Alright, good shit, man. That's it. That's it. We did it. Alright, that's Chris Simms top 40. Chris Simms on button. There we go.


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[Assistant] We are all the way up to, what's our last number? 17. So we got the top 16 coming up. Paul will be here on Thursday. It's a Thursday pod. It's a little weird week again because Monday was Memorial Day. But we'll be back here on Thursday. We got more questions to answer from the homies. Keep please sending those in.


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[Assistant] Uh, love all the entries that Ahmed talked about as far as guessing my top 10. Love the, uh, participation there. Download the PointsBet app, alright? And, Ahmed? Yes? Thanks again as always for driving the ship. Hardest working man.


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[Assistant] On June 6, 2021, Simone Biles won a historic seventh national title. And among all the superhuman feats she's pulled off in her career, like her Chenko Double Pike in the US Classic, and a triple-double at the 2019 US Gymnastics Championships, this one is especially important. It's called a wolf turn.


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[Assistant] The Wolf Turn has been around for decades, and it seems like recently, almost every gymnast has included it in their routine. It's certainly not an easy skill, something even Jessica Alba noticed.


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[Assistant] The wolf turn is broken into four main movements. A gymnast like Simone will get into a squat position on the beam or the floor, with her other legs stretched out. She'll then stretch out her arms and wind them up. Once she finds her balance, she'll start spinning. And finally, she'll stop and return to her original stance, all while making sure to keep her balance and not fall over.


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[Assistant] These four elements rely on a delicate balance of mass and inertia.


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[Assistant] To figure out what's happening, let's look at her moment of inertia. How her mass is distributed from her axis of rotation. In this case, the rotation axis is a vertical line, near the center of her body that passes through her foot.


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[Assistant] This distributes her body mass differently, closer to the axis of rotation, which decreases her moment of inertia. This means Biles can spin easier and faster.


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[Assistant] Spreading her body mass out increases her moment of inertia. This makes it harder to rotate and helps her stop quickly.


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[Assistant] All these movements require incredible strength, with gymnasts using mainly their arm, shoulder, leg, and core muscles to maintain their position.


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[Assistant] And like Jordan Child's 2017 Nationals routine shows, one wobble and things fall apart. There's a reason gymnasts go through this tricky balance. They're chasing high scores.


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[Assistant] Olympic gymnastics is scored by combining points from two panels. Difficulty in execution.


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[Assistant] Difficulty assigns a point value to the skill itself. A simple turn, like the single rotation Carly Patterson did in the 2004 Olympics, is valued the lowest of all the turns.


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[Assistant] A triple double where gymnasts are flipping twice and twisting three times all in one shot has one of the highest difficulty ratings of all gymnastics skills. And a triple wolf turn is somewhere in the middle. It carries the highest values of all the turns, where gymnasts are doing three revolutions on the beam or floor. Execution scores you on how well you perform the technique.


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[Assistant] A perfect wolf turn score would combine its relatively high difficulty level with a flawless execution. Something only top athletes can pull off.


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[Assistant] To truly spin that with proper posture, proper foot position, proper execution and precision of arms is pretty darn difficult. First thing we look for is what position is the foot in when they start? The support foot.


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[Assistant] And usually it doesn't. Usually it finishes parallel. Then I want to see that that extended leg stays extended. There is a deduction in gymnastics on every single event, and it's called dynamics. Doing difficult things and making them look easy. When you're spinning around going, whoa, with your arms, that's not very dynamic.


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[Assistant] The whole point of parkour, like the philosophy behind it is basically like self-control and understanding of your body and understanding of your surroundings and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] How is the parkour world organized into these teams? What are teams? So all these brands came about as yeah, just groups of young lads who were training together often, having fun and wanting to try and make a living off of it.


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[Assistant] One of the techniques would be called shepherding, and I think I'm safe to say that that's quite well known. Yeaah, I've been using herding, you just classed it up, like 20 per seconds. Sheffarding, yeaah. Yeaah, I mean the name says it, it's sort of like...


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[Assistant] You're doing this, you're doing this, and you're keeping them in a corner. And it's like...


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[Assistant] Having control over where they are because you're almost like you're at their mercy if you're following them around religiously. Whereas if you are shepherding them and keeping them into a corner, you have control in that situation.


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[Assistant] Like we're training, like what are we training for? And I suppose you could say it was a situation.


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[Assistant] In which you're chasing or evading someone. So it's almost like worldchase tag is like the thing that we are preparing ourselves for.


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[Assistant] My program is designed to put me at the top.


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[Assistant] Got the triple axel, triple triple, another triple toe combo. There's a checklist, I'm checking them all.


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[Assistant] Figure skating has always been a subjective sport and it's not like,


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[Assistant] You know, performing is something I really love and I love skating and so I try to follow the rules to the best of my ability and to garner as many points as I can.


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[Assistant] We have evolved so much and it is harder and it is going to continue to get harder, but that is the beauty of sport and I can't wait to see what, what'll happen. No guts, no glory, right?


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[Assistant] Muhammad Ali was, the story goes, the greatest boxer of all time. But that's not why he'll be remembered as the greatest. Yeah, he was incredibly fast in the ring.


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[Assistant] Most people know that he changed his name based on his religious beliefs. But while most accounts say Cassius changed his name to Muhammad Ali, that's not the whole story. The morning after Cassius became heavyweight champ, he confirmed publicly that he was a member of the Nation of Islam. And he and Malcolm X announced his new name.


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[Assistant] Muhammad Ali, which meant Beloved of God. But he refused to change his name legally.


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[Assistant] He refused the draft to serve in Vietnam as a conscientious objector. That meant losing his title, losing his profession, and being convicted in a court.


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[Assistant] But his moral stand brought him into the civil rights movement. He befriended Martin Luther King Jr. despite their religious differences.


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[Assistant] Most people who objected to the Vietnam War avoided the draft however they could, burning their draft cards, or using a complicated series of deferments like future president Bill Clinton did.


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[Assistant] He won that case and when he returned to boxing, he didn't stop shaking things up.


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[Assistant] And in one of his final public appearances, he spoke out about Islam after the devastating attacks of September 11th, even though he could barely speak.


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[Assistant] And last fall, when he could no longer speak, he wrote a statement against comments from Donald Trump that lumped the actions of a few murderers in Paris and San Bernardino.


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[Assistant] So those gloves he wore represented a lot more than physical punching.


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[Assistant] In the wide world of car racing, there's a feat called the Triple Crown. It's when a driver wins the sport's three most prestigious races.


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[Assistant] And only one has ever done it. A British driver named Graham Hill.


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[Assistant] In 1972, he won the 24 Hours of Le Mans race in France, a country that invented the first self-propelled vehicle.


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[Assistant] In 1966, Hill won the Indianapolis 500 in the American Midwest, home to the world's biggest car companies.


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[Assistant] But the third leg of the Triple Crown isn't in a place known for making cars. In fact, it's a country that's impossible to see on this map.


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[Assistant] It spans only 499 acres, and only 39,000 people live there. Yet it's home to the most important of the Triple Crown races,


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[Assistant] It's 78 laps around a course unlike any other on earth, where some of car racing's greatest moments have happened.


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[Assistant] Graham Hill, despite being the only Triple Crown winner ever, is nicknamed Mr. Monaco because he won this race five times.


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[Assistant] So how did Tiny Monaco create the world's most prestigious car race?


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[Assistant] Monaco is the world's second smallest country, spanning just 2.2 square kilometers.


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[Assistant] In 1297, the Grimaldi's, a prominent Italian family, seized this area, called the Rock of Monaco from a rival family.


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[Assistant] But over the centuries, it was controlled by the Spanish, the Sardinians, and the French. In 1861, the French finally recognized its sovereignty with the treaty, keeping the Grimaldis in power as monarchs.


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[Assistant] Around the same time the gas-powered automobile was invented, and in a few decades, Europeans were obsessed with racing them. Car manufacturers like Mercedes, Bugatti, and Peugeot would pitch their fastest models against each other. And countries began hosting national races called the Grand Prix.


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[Assistant] In the 1920s, the Automobile Club de Monaco set out to create their own Grand Prix. They already hosted the Monte Carlo Rally.


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[Assistant] Where drivers would begin all over Europe and finish in the heart of Monaco called Monte Carlo. But when the club tried to make that race the Monaco Grand Prix, they were denied.


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[Assistant] International rules held that the country's Grand Precourse had to exist entirely inside its borders. Easy for most, but a serious challenge for tiny Monaco.


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[Assistant] So they used all the space they had, thereby creating one of the world's most unusual courses.


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[Assistant] But Monaco's course ran right through downtown Monte Carlo, on regular streets, up a cliff, under a tunnel, and just feet from the harbor.


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[Assistant] Most Grand Prix courses included long straightaways, where drivers could use speed to overtake each other.


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[Assistant] And wide corners with runoff space where they could pass each other. But the Monaco course had very short straightaways, and the corners were perilously narrow, meaning attempting a pass here meant risking a crash. This generated a new style of racing.


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[Assistant] Where having the fastest car wasn't as important as having the most skilled and daring driver.


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[Assistant] The first race in 1929 was a success. And in the following decades, the Monaco Grand Prix became part of the prominent Formula One league, and known for generating some of the sport's most dramatic moments.


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[Assistant] In 1955, Italian driver Alberto Ascari was leading the race until he flew off the road and into the harbor here. A spot where many dreams would come to an end.


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[Assistant] In 1970, Australian Jack Brabham was winning until he crashed here, on the final corner, on the final lap.


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[Assistant] And in 1982, catastrophe struck five drivers in the final three laps, starting with Alan Prost at the harbor.


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[Assistant] And finally, Derek Daly, just a couple hundred meters from the finish line.


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[Assistant] But while this course was unique in the sport, it alone didn't make the Monaco Grand Prix famous. It got help from the people watching here. And to understand how they got there, we need to talk about taxes.


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[Assistant] Remember that treaty in 1861 where the French recognized Monaco's sovereignty? Well, it actually came at a pretty steep price.


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[Assistant] Previously, Monaco included all of this area, where citrus farms brought in most of the country's revenue. But in 1848, the people here rebelled against the Grimaldi's, partly because taxes were so high.


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[Assistant] So to save their kingdom, the Grimaldi's signed that treaty, giving France all this territory in exchange for their sovereignty and four million francs. But it left Monaco tiny and broke.


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[Assistant] To bring in money, the Grimaldis hatched a plan to offer Europeans something they couldn't get at home.


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[Assistant] At the time, many countries were passing laws that restricted gambling, so the Grimaldis had a casino built. Eventually named the Casino de Monte Carlo.


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[Assistant] It struggled at first, but when a railroad was built connecting it to France, it boomed. By 1869, the casino brought in so much revenue that the Grimaldi stopped collecting taxes from its citizens.


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[Assistant] This was another opportunity to offer Europeans something they couldn't get elsewhere. Tax rates were rising in most European countries, especially on the rich. Monaco offered them a place to stash their fortunes. It made itself a tax haven.


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[Assistant] They built luxury hotels, theaters, and mansions, and brought their yachts, and of course, their fancy cars. Before long, celebrities joined their lavish parties. The tiny country entered the world's spotlight when famous actress Grace Kelly married Prince Rainier Grimaldi III in 1956.


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[Assistant] Today, out of a population of 39,000 people, a third are millionaires.


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[Assistant] Throughout the weekend, lavish parties attract the rich and famous, who attract the press and therefore the spotlight to Monaco. And they watch the race from the best seats, here, on the yachts, just a few feet from the course.


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[Assistant] Brazilian driver Nelson Bique used to say that the Monaco Grand Prix was like cycling around your living room, meaning it's too tight.


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[Assistant] In the last 90 years, the course has only changed in minor ways. In fact, if it was designed today, it wouldn't pass Formula One safety standards. Because the cars have completely transformed.


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[Assistant] When William Grover Williams won the first Monaco Grand Prix, his French Bugatti averaged 84 kilometers an hour to set a lap record.


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[Assistant] In 2018, Red Bull Racing's Max Verstappen set a new record averaging 150 kilometers an hour. And he drove a car more than twice the size. Overtaking on Monaco's narrow streets was difficult in the early 20th century, but it's nearly impossible now.


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[Assistant] In the past 16 races, the car that started at the front of the race has gone on to win 12 times.


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[Assistant] It's why some consider the Monaco Grand Prix boring to watch. Even occasionally the drivers.


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[Assistant] Yet after almost a hundred years of racing drama, in front of the world's most famous audience, the Monaco Grand Prix remains the world's most renowned car race.


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[Assistant] As PK would continue to say, but winning here is worth winning twice anywhere else.


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[Assistant] It's just, there's only so much you can do when 30,000 people are all hitting cowbells.


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of people would have the thought process that you just set up these mics and you just leave them be and you don't. I mean, you can't. I mean, you're talking 20, you know, 18, 20,000 people screaming. You got the PA sounds. So if you just leave all these microphones up, you're not going to get anything. So you're chasing the action with them, with the faders on the, on the mixing boards.


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[Assistant] Most people would know it as like a car stereo. You turn up your highs, your treble, and your bass. Well, in our world, it's a little bit more specific than that. We can dial into actual specific frequencies.


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[Assistant] With a few seconds to go in the women's 800 meters, the group of athletes was tightly packed.


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[Assistant] Then, on the final straightaway, Castor Semenya broke away to win gold at the 2016 Olympics in Rio.


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[Assistant] Three years later, the South African runner was at court, appealing a ban that could keep her from defending her title at the next Olympics.


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[Assistant] She wasn't being banned because she cheated, but because sports officials had decided that she no longer qualified as a female athlete.


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[Assistant] But soon after her victory, sports authorities began questioning whether she was in fact a woman.


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[Assistant] But the top governing body for athletics, the IAAF, selected Semenya for testing to determine whether she is female.


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[Assistant] Most recently, their criteria for female competitors has been testosterone, a hormone produced by both men and women.


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[Assistant] Semenya has naturally high levels of testosterone, and the IAAF claims that there is a significant connection between high testosterone and athletic performance. But it's more complicated than that.


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[Assistant] Factors like nutrition, coaching, and equipment all play into an athlete's performance. So it's unclear how testosterone can be singled out as the defining factor.


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[Assistant] But there's another way to think about eliminating female athletes based on testosterone.


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[Assistant] Like many Olympians, Semenya's body has natural advantages that can help her perform.


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[Assistant] But unlike Phelps, Semenya is being penalized for a naturally occurring hormone.


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[Assistant] That's because sports officials don't divide athletics by the size of your hand or your foot, but they do draw a line between men and women.


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[Assistant] The problem is the criteria that's used to drive that line. And it's always been problematic.


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[Assistant] Charlotte Cooper won gold in 1900, the first year women were included at the Olympics.


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[Assistant] Since then, more and more women have competed and stood on Olympic podiums.


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[Assistant] But by the 1960s, officials became skeptical that successful female athletes might actually be men disguised as women.


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[Assistant] Polish sprinter Ewa Kobukowska, for example, had won bronze running the women's 100 meters at the 1964 Olympics.


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[Assistant] A few years later, officials made sex testing mandatory for female athletes at the 1966 European Track and Field Championships, and Kubukowska was forced to undergo inspection.


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[Assistant] She was physically examined in what was called a nude parade, where female athletes were examined by a panel of doctors who would inspect their genitals to confirm their sex.


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[Assistant] Kobukowska passed her test and qualified as female in 1966.


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[Assistant] But the next year, officials replaced physical exams with chromosomal testing, meaning she would have to be tested all over again.


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[Assistant] Old sex ed films taught that a chromosome pairing of XX from a mother and father means a child will be female.


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[Assistant] The chromosomes we're born with are part of sex, which also takes into account genetic, physical and hormonal information.


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[Assistant] It's different from gender, which is the way someone identifies in the world. As a woman, a man, non-binary, or something else.


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[Assistant] People who have differences of sexual development, or DSD, are also known as intersex, and many people can reach sexual maturity without ever knowing they have a DSD.


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[Assistant] When sports officials changed the sex testing criteria, Kuopikowska failed the new version, and she was banned from competing as female, despite having passed the female exam a year before.


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[Assistant] By the 2000s, chromosome testing fell out of favor, and in 2011, officials introduced a testosterone limit. Dutee Chand, an Indian sprinter who naturally produces high levels of testosterone, was put through the new test in 2014.


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[Assistant] The testosterone limit for female athletes had been set at 10 nanomoles per liter, which the IAAF considered the lower end of normal male levels.


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[Assistant] Chand failed her test and was banned from competing as female.


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[Assistant] She appealed the decision, arguing that the IAAF lacks scientific evidence linking high testosterone to performance.


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[Assistant] The Court of Arbitration for Sport agreed with her and lifted the ban. In doing so, they said that IAAF needed evidence showing a link between high testosterone and increased performance. The decision allowed Chand and other athletes, including Castor Semenya, to compete at the 2016 Olympics in Rio.


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[Assistant] But in 2018, authorities returned with the new testosterone limit.


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[Assistant] And this time, they had evidence that female athletes with high testosterone outperformed in certain events.


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[Assistant] Despite the scrutiny, the IAAF set the new testosterone limit even lower, at 5 nanomoles per liter, and only applied it to track distances between 400 meters and the mile.


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[Assistant] Which includes all the events that Semenya typically runs. It's the reason Semenya was banned.


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[Assistant] The band would require Semenya to undergo medical treatment to lower her testosterone, which could potentially cause harmful side effects.


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[Assistant] This is something Semenya has spoken out against in the past. A few years ago, she told the BBC,


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[Assistant] Meaning all three podium finishers from Rio might be banned from defending their title at the next Olympics unless they take steps to regulate their natural levels of testosterone.


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[Assistant] For their part, IAAF officials describe the regulation as discriminatory, but necessary.


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[Assistant] The ruling also upholds a policy that only athletes identified as suspicious need to be tested.


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[Assistant] That means deciding who is tested can depend on an athlete's appearance and it might be that non-white athletes from the global south, like Chan, Semenya, and the other top finishers in Rio,


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[Assistant] Are being selected for testing because they don't fit somebody's stereotype of what a female looks like.


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[Assistant] Confusion about Kester Semenu's case has led to misunderstanding, and news outlets have wrongly portrayed her as transgender. She isn't.


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[Assistant] And the problem of dividing athletes by sex has nothing to do with their gender.


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[Assistant] History shows that, whenever sports are divided by sex, the athletes who qualify as female


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[Assistant] Change, depending on the criteria used to draw that line.


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[Assistant] Over the last four years, there have been 27 head coaches hired in the NFL and just three were black. Three.


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[Assistant] As the sideline leaders in America's most popular game, NFL head coaches have long been among the most prominent figures in all of professional sports, often the face of a franchise. But for decades, that face was always white.


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[Assistant] After little progress, prominent civil rights lawyers Cyrus Mary and Johnny Cochran blitzed the NFL and said they'd sue the league if it didn't change its ways. A story we covered in 2000.


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[Assistant] The NFL responded with a new rule, mandating that teams interview at least one minority candidate for every open head coaching job. They called it the Rooney Rule.


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[Assistant] When you have the Rooney rule come into play, you're forcing them to find the best person qualified for the job. It was supposed to usher in the start of a new paradigm, and for a time it seemed it might.


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[Assistant] Especially when Rooney himself hired a little known 34-year-old coach named Mike Tomlin. It's a great honor to be a part of, uh, one of the most storied franchises in all of professional sports. But in the season since the Rooney rule was instituted, the head coaching numbers have not changed.


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[Assistant] Although the league has 32 teams, there were three black head coaches 18 years ago, and there are three now.


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[Assistant] Mike Tomlin has won more games than any black head coach in NFL history.


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[Assistant] In 2009, he led the Steelers to a Super Bowl title.


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[Assistant] You've been in the room at the owner's meetings when this is discussed. I know you hear the right things, but as African Americans, all of us are used to hearing stuff and knowing bullshit when we hear it.


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[Assistant] Amid the parade of new hires, what bothers Tomlin and others is that an extraordinary number of highly qualified and clearly talented black coaches who are already in the pipeline are being constantly overlooked.


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[Assistant] That pipeline was on full display at the Super Bowl, where three of the four coordinators, the men guiding the offenses and defenses of both teams, were black.


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[Assistant] Yet none of them were asked to fill this year's head coaching vacancies.


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[Assistant] As the NFL's most prominent African-American coach, Tomlin is often a featured speaker at NFL events like this one, diversity workshops for young black coaches.


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[Assistant] Until now, he has always been an enthusiastic participant.


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[Assistant] It's not just this year's hiring numbers that are disturbing.


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[Assistant] Over the last four years, there have been 27 head coaches hired in the NFL and just three were black. Three.


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[Assistant] Given the evidence, it would be easy to conclude that the Rooney rule can't work. But that's not true.


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[Assistant] According to University of Colorado Business Professor Stephanie Johnson, some of the country's top CEOs have actually adopted the Rooney Rule and made it work.


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[Assistant] Professor Johnson says it is human nature to hire people who are most like us.


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[Assistant] But that doing so can be devastating for your business.


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[Assistant] In simplistic terms, if you hired a black guy and I hired a white woman,


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[Assistant] Despite such evidence, NFL owners have stuck to an old game plan when it comes to hiring head coaches. And that, in turn, has sent morale among black coaches plummeting to a new low.


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[Assistant] It's now so bad that this month, football agent Brian Levy convened a zoom meeting for many of the black coaches he represents to talk about the Rooney rule. He invited us to record the session.


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[Assistant] Tim Walton is the quarterbacks coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars.


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[Assistant] Larry Foote is the outside linebackers coach for the Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers.


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[Assistant] David Overstreet coaches defensive backs for the Indianapolis Colts.


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[Assistant] It went on like this for more than an hour, part workshop part therapy session.


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[Assistant] Coaches at different stages of their career, all wondering just how much their race might limit their


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[Assistant] He was fired two years ago, and despite several interviews since then, remains out of the league.


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[Assistant] You fall into another category along with the Leslie Frazier's of the world, which is an African American head coach who can't seem to get a second chance.


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[Assistant] Today, Lewis is assistant to the head coach at Arizona State University.


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[Assistant] Working for Herman Edwards, the former head coach of the New York Jets, who 18 years ago simplified for us the reality of NFL hiring.


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[Assistant] We wanted to speak with the NFL, but they declined our request for an interview.


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[Assistant] Referring us instead to recent statements Commissioner Roger Goodell made before the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] The same kind of statement he's made year after year after year.


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[Assistant] Those words are of small consolation to veteran coaches of color like Ray Horton.


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[Assistant] Who wonder if the Rooney Rule ever really offered him anything more than an unrealistic hope.


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[Assistant] Horton's resume is extensive and exemplary, and he's interviewed with five different franchises, yet he has never been offered a head coaching job.


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[Assistant] After 34 years in the NFL, as a player and a coach, Horton just finished his first season without pro football and feels he may be done with the NFL.


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[Assistant] That's why he's interviewing. He's, he's the Rooney. He's not getting interviewed because he's the qualified coach. He's getting interviewed because they have to hit that quota. Now you have the weight of the entire race on your shoulders. You have to be representative of everybody. That's not how it should be. It's, it's, it's just ridiculous.


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[Assistant] You're always battling your body. I mean, just imagine the job description is slamming yourself into another human being as hard as you can, over and over again.


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[Assistant] Broke my tibia in my left foot, tore my MCL in my right knee, tore my groin in my left.