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[Assistant] While you're thumbing through there for your number one Ben thought, I'm going to find a number here I want to throw out when you're done. So you go ahead with Ben and what you saw yesterday.


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[Assistant] But any doubt, I just throw the check down or throw it away. So maybe that philosophy should've, should've washed over him and kind of dictated what he did.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's how that play works. Oh, his back is to the receiver. Yeaah, he couldn't see the ball. I'm gonna fire a fastball. Right. By the time it gets there, those safeties will be closer, look crowded, but this is how this play works. It does. I throw to that guy's helmet and my guy catches it. 55 made a great play.


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[Assistant] The 1-2-3 combo they have now, Samuel, Ayuk, and Kittle, that's, that's...


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[Assistant] That's where Jimmy G is making most of his money in the passing game. Right. Rothlisberger yesterday with Smith-Schuster, Johnson and Ebron.


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[Assistant] That's where 24 of his 32 completions went there. Pretty conservative numbers, but I like the fact that they've got an identity. Here's our guys.


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[Assistant] Here's our main guy. Exactly. We're not running him deep that often. Right. And oh, by the way, they didn't really even need Chase Claypool much yesterday. Which is another thing I'm getting a lot of questions about. Do you think they went with like, we don't really need him, so it's okay? Or did they remove Claypool from the, they being the titans?


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[Assistant] And the question I had in my mind too before we move on, I think it was about a month ago, it sounded like you kind of liked the Steelers a little bit, but you weren't quite sure what your identity was going to be. Right. Last month has answered a lot of questions that way.


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[Assistant] 18 out of 30, 220. Yeah. Couple touchdowns, no picks.


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[Assistant] It was the marquee game of the afternoon. We all paid a lot of attention to it. Now a day later, do you feel like you learned more about Pittsburgh from what they did, or did you learn more about Tennessee?


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[Assistant] If you list the reasons why they won, I mean, passing game wasn't going to be near the top of the list. So I was going to end this part with the Nick report asking, do the Steelers have a real shot at beating the Chiefs for the top seed? You kind of took care of that. Sounds like they have a chance. They have a chance.


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[Assistant] They have to make improvement most in which part of their game to where it's like a real consideration for you.


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[Assistant] Presented by Hyundai. We say it twice around here, I guess, Chris. Alright? Yep. Browns knock off the Bengals 37 to 34. OBJ out for the seeds. Torn ACL. I know.


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[Assistant] No! Easy passes. They were down the field. Saturday, Big Ten football's back. So now it feels like a real college football season at my house. Uh, quarterback for Wisconsin went like 20 or 21 or something. Was it Cone? Those were, uh, Grant Merckx. Oh, Grant Merckx for Jack. We had him in that All-Star game at San Antonio a couple years ago. Great kid.


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[Assistant] Guys were wide open. I mean, I never went 20 for 21, so I mean, hey, kudos to him, but he was throwing to wide open guys. Like, Baker was pounding the ball in there in some tough spots. Very tough spots.


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[Assistant] Looks great. It's a little bit like last year. It's in a different package with the way he plays, but as the season went on and the Cardinals weren't really going to be a player, it was like, hey!


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[Assistant] potential greatness for, I guess. And you, I think I remember correctly, you said early in the show that you think Tampa is the most complete team in the NFC. I do. I do. New Orleans, the closest. I probably think


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[Assistant] You know, it's not a good thing. It's cool, but it's not good. It's not great for your team.


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[Assistant] Tonight's Monday night, Bears, Rams, your ticket to not participate much in the dinner process, or the getting the kids to bed process, and a pretty good matchup.


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[Assistant] Why dad, you won't come over and talk to me? No, come here and kiss me. Do you get the, why can't we watch the game with that?


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[Assistant] If you picked it, it's gonna happen. Probably, it should. We'll see. Next thing here it says is uh, Wednesday coming up with me, but Pete just told me that that's a typo. Oh, sorry. I'll be watching. See ya. And then come back next week. Okay.


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[Assistant] And now we're gonna make it into what we think he said. And that's where it's inconsistent. That's where I don't love it all the time either way. Cause then some guys get away with that type of talk.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, another guy, like again, Russell Wilson yesterday, Dan Patrick had to ask him the same question four times because he was politicking around it. But we're going to be okay. I'm just like, oh, that's okay. There was no hidden reference. It's all okay. Cool. Why? Just because it's Russell Wilson. I don't understand that. It does bother me in general.


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[Assistant] The most obvious answer was the O-line played like crap. I mean, we all saw that. There wasn't like, you didn't need to be a football expert to go, well, they're all blocking very well. We had people who tuned in on Sunday. It was the first game they ever watched and they were like, man, they don't really protect Patrick Mahomes, huh?


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[Assistant] You know, so that was apparent. He wasn't like throwing anybody under the bus that way. At least I don't look at it that way. And I find guys like him and Aaron Rodgers refreshing more times than not.


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[Assistant] Well now I'll probably go back to, I am, I'll end up watching it on TV a bunch of times now too. I almost watched it incomplete last night, I think it was on, I was like, oh, should I sit down and watch this on TV again right now?


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[Assistant] My big thing that I just continue to come back to, that I'm in shock of, and Pete knows this, he knows where I'm going because I texted him a few things before we started to go, I just, we gotta throw some of these stats out there to make the point.


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[Assistant] The, the, the, the game plan of the Kansas City Chiefs. That's really all I can't get over. More than anything, when I look back at the game, everything like that, it starts with that, as if I had to have one overarching thing, right? Listen, I know Tampa was the more physical team and everything like that, but I still think the approach


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[Assistant] Of Kansas City's offense, to me, as Johnny Football, watching the films, X and O's guy, is still the most shocking part.


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[Assistant] I don't want to say out coached, but just I think shocked by the plan of attack by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense.


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[Assistant] You know, I watch Kansas City every week. I watch Mahomes throw every week. I know their offense. They ran a game plan of, we're expecting Blitz, we're expecting Blitz zones, we're expecting


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[Assistant] Uhm, to have big holes in the secondary with guys running down the field free, and our guys are great, you know, whatever, standing in the pocket off his back foot, 20 yard, 15, they ran plays that you would run thinking,


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[Assistant] We're gonna get some man-to-man coverage and some blitz zone looks that we'll be able to pick the blitz up and that will tear them up down the field. Okay? That's the big thing. And here, and this is the big thing, because Kansas City's built around their offense. They dictate how the team goes.


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[Assistant] The Kansas City defense played good enough to win the football game. They did.


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[Assistant] I mean, Kansas City with some of the turnovers, short fields, the bad punt, short fields, you know, the defense's own penalties. I mean, hey, listen, the five-place 71-yard drive that went for the 21-6 lead, I mean, let's not forget, that was an interception on third down.


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[Assistant] And the offense never got to a point where they got rolling to where Tampa had a, Tampa's offense ever had a play under any pressure. But I think just to get back to the point and everything like this.


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[Assistant] All zone. All zone. All zone. And then listen, the man, that's two man. So that's two deep, five under, man to man, and now they can be


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[Assistant] Really aggressive with their man-to-man coverage of the line of scrimmage because you go, oh I got somebody behind me. So I can really, you know, assert myself on slant routes, underneath routes and things like that because I got help behind me. That was a big thing. So.


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[Assistant] You know, to get into that, yes, all the zone coverages as you see right there. First off, there was no single safety man in the football game. Todd Bowles is, he's famous for single safety defenses.


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[Assistant] Only time they played single safety was like true 3D coverages. And when I'm telling you true 3D coverages, I'm talking about-


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[Assistant] I'm not talking about Seattle, we're jamming at the line of scrimmage, we're getting back. I'm talking the safety's 20 yards deep, the corners are 15 yards deep, and then it's four under.


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[Assistant] So it was like, we're deep, you're not going deeper than us. I mean, it was like, wooo, wooo, wooo. Now they did a good job of disguising and changing it up, and you don't know which one of these zone coverage is coming, but it was either 3 deep, 4 under, or it was 4 deep and 3 under, or it was 2 deep and 5 under man to man. That was the game.


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[Assistant] Exactly. You gotta think, hey, wait, we're kinda special. Can they really think that they're gonna do?


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[Assistant] What they did the first time and get away with it? Cause really the first time around too, I know the first quarter was big.


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[Assistant] You know, it was, that's, that's, that film there was where I was just like, damn, I don't know how Tampa's going to figure this out and do it. I mean, it really was, it was scary to that aspect. Now I underestimated the protection problem and I, anybody listened to my podcast last week, I was saying Todd Bowles has got to not be Todd Bowles. He's got to play coverage.


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[Assistant] I just thought Kansas City for sure would have an attack.


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[Assistant] Tom Brady New England specials is these coverages, but, but like, but the biggest thing is how I want to explain it. When you're playing these types of coverages, so many times, really,


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[Assistant] It ends up on the inside, linebackers being man to man and having to be in very tough situations. And ultimately,


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[Assistant] I just don't think Kansas City had enough of that in their playbook.


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[Assistant] To really stress that out. Yeaah, I know Kelsey had a few, right? He was the only thing.


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[Assistant] What they needed to have, like I told you before the podcast, they needed to have 10 more type of plays where Kelsey works underneath. And then another 20 plays for everybody else to also work underneath. There's a lot of different ways and Kansas City has them in the playbook.


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[Assistant] We talked all year about how I was impressed how they grew their dink and dunk part of their offense because of teams playing them the way Tampa did earlier or, you know, in the Super Bowl teams were playing like that earlier in the year.


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[Assistant] They obviously were not expecting this type of attack from them. And it just, to me, makes no sense from this aspect too. Alright?


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[Assistant] One, I can't believe they didn't have that plan of attack. Two, your offensive lines and shambles, your quarterback's not 100% and getting surgery as we speak three days after the game, that just tells you how urgent the toe is, and you're still


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[Assistant] Just gonna keep calling deep drop pack passes, and hey Tyree go 50, and McCole Hardman you go 30, and you know, uh, Sammy Watkins you go 25.


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[Assistant] It just made no sense. It was like, literally you were going, you guys are banging your head in the wall here, there's nothing to be gained, and that's where I'm just still shocked by the overall game in general.


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[Assistant] I know, that's not what they are. I don't think they were willing to take that. I mean, that's what Tampa wanted. Tampa wanted to go, please run it. Slow the game down. That would be our style of football. We'd be cool with that. You know, so.


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[Assistant] No, I still think at the end of the day, now listen, not to say in the future, do they need to maybe have more of a run game for games like this or something like that? Yeah, cause there's, they can get away with what they do against all of football, except there's gonna be two or three defenses every year who will be able to challenge what they do. Now, like I said,


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[Assistant] I just am shocked by the lack of short passes and things like that. There's no, there's nothing more to it than that. The run game, okay, maybe we can have infused a few more runs here and there. But again, like you said, I think that's the point.


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[Assistant] They were going to go down throwing their third best punch. Like, I think that's hard to swallow that. You know, we got there because of Mahomes, our passing game, the pressure. I'm just, again, the short passing game. And then here's the other thing that they really screwed up with. If they just had, if they packaged their plays against


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[Assistant] Here's zone plays that work against all zones. Little concepts that Andy Rees got in his playbook. Here we go. We got three guys right here on two. Three on two in this part of the zone. Oh, we got two on one on this part of the zone.


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[Assistant] You know, oh, this guy's in the middle of the field and we got a guy underneath him and behind him, now he's gotta make a decision. Like, there just wasn't enough of that. Okay, so you have that.


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[Assistant] But then a few times, Ahmed, when they got to some of those plays that they have, Tampa played two-man.


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[Assistant] And they're not as open against two man. Because now, like we were talking about, the five underneath can be really aggressive because they got help behind them, and that made some issues. So if they called a game where it's like,


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[Assistant] And that would be for the two-man, which, you know, again, I'm just using up words and making up things, which is, Stud was actually a really two-man beater for us, because it was an under and then an out route by the slot route. But either way, the game should have been packaged like that. They had no answers for two-man either, really, throughout the game. So again, they were obviously shocked by that. And I know I'm talking a lot here, and I don't mean to.


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[Assistant] Yes, and then they ham, hamstrung themselves a lot of the times, Ahmed, in places. Now, now we're in zone, okay. We got, you know, a receiver to the left, two receivers to the right, alright. I got a back in the backfield.


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[Assistant] And, you know, let's just say, now there, let's, let me repaint this picture. Three receivers to the right.


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[Assistant] Yes, erase that last picture. Three receivers to the right, one receiver to the left, the back in the backfield, and now that one of those receivers, McCole Hardman, he's in the backfield, now he's gonna do one of those speed sweeps. Oh, he's faking the speed sweep and now he's going back to the way he came, right?


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[Assistant] And they were running deep routes with now him in the flat.


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[Assistant] The Bucks had them in all those, they knew, Kansas City, because they didn't even spread the field in some of these instances where they tried to attack the field, it actually was a negative to them as well. Because now, in that play, if you're just listening to me and I hope I painted the right picture,


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[Assistant] Let's say you got Hill and Watkins on the right.


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[Assistant] And McColl Harman just did all that motion stuff. Now he's still on the right, okay? And now the receiver I'm telling you about on the left, he's coming across the formation and also going to the right. Where there's a few plays where I go, they got five eligibles all on one side of the field.


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[Assistant] And the Bucks got a zone coverage and they got all seven guys over there and said there's nowhere to throw. You know, and again it just goes back into what I'm saying is just I think they were shocked by the plan of attack by the Buccaneers and they did not have enough inventory of a plays to attack how the Buccaneers were attacking them.


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[Assistant] In the Super Bowl. It was amazing. I don't know if I'm gonna go as far as the Belichick one, because that really was like nothing like that had ever been done, really.


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[Assistant] They rushed two and three the whole game and dropped eight and nine the whole game. It wasn't even a front four. It was literally three the whole game.


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[Assistant] And now where Buffalo dropped the ball is, Buffalo had a run game.


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[Assistant] And they were stubborn and just said, nope, we've been good throwing it. We're going to keep throwing it. At Buffalo, that was a different story. If they ran the ball a little early, the Giants would have had to adjust and then they would have been able to do what they did. They dropped the ball there.


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[Assistant] No doubt about it, no doubt about it. Tom Bowles' game plan was a genius and I would say some of the people in Kansas City were an idiot in the last two weeks for how they attacked it. But, uh, Bowles' game plan to me, not that I looked at it, because what's also crazy about Belichick and some of those game plans is you just, there was times where I go,


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[Assistant] I don't know what coverage this is. This is cool, whatever they're doing. I knew what Boles was doing. He just did an amazing job of being creative, disguising, and the biggest thing to answer the question more than anything, where it's really special.


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[Assistant] as he went outside the box for what he has been really his whole coaching career and obviously Kansas City didn't expect that and listen I was


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[Assistant] I wasn't sure if he was gonna do it either. I didn't know what to expect either. Is there a blueprint now? No. No, you have to have a really special group of talent to be able to do this. And, you know, I'm gonna expect Kansas City's offensive line to be healthy next year, right? And also this will be the type of thing that is any reason to go back to the lab with the enemy and go,


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[Assistant] We need a hundred more short pass plays in our offense. Not like five or ten. We need a hundred. We gotta find ways so when people stop doing this, we can't let them do this. We're gonna drop seven and play these soft zones. You know, there's no wide receiver screen game in Kansas City. Have you ever noticed that?


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[Assistant] Then they have to grow the passing offense to greater levels. You know, and that would probably be the next thing I would say. You know, all those plays you've seen, you know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, this blueprint was out there already. We had seen teams give them issues with this, you know, and you gotta have a special front four and a special personnel set to do it in general, uh, again. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Raiders did it earlier, the Patriots did it earlier this year, the Chargers did it earlier this year. Where I'm still shocked is because the Chiefs had answers for those as the year went on and this game they did not and I really think it was just lack of, we didn't think they would do this.


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[Assistant] What's amazing, and again, I think we're gonna have my dad on here in a minute, I mean, first, on his Showtime Inside the NFL show last night. I mean, you gotta watch the clip, and it's on social media too, for anybody out there. You gotta watch Mike Evans and Chris Godwin on the sideline watching Mahomes. They're in awe, the whole game.


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[Assistant] I mean, they're not scoring a touchdown and they're still in awe. Cause they're just, how did he get out of that? You know, oh, we're going to get him. Oh, what? How did he complete that? He's a magician. Oh my God. I mean, that's what they're all they're doing. I mean.


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[Assistant] It was amazing what he did in a lot of ways there the other night. You know, that was about as overmatched as we've seen a quarterback from the team perspective, as we've seen in a long time in the Super Bowl. He was in some very, very tough spots, definitely. And again, that's where I get into


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[Assistant] Three offensive linemen play in three different positions and we called a game where we were going to throw the ball 20 and 30 yards down the field the whole game. I'm just amazed by it.


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[Assistant] They got an empty formations a few times, Ahmed, and this is why I said it in the podcast last week leading up to the game, as I watched film with the first matchup, when they got an empty, I just went, this is, this is it right here.


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[Assistant] Empty formation. There's spaces all over the field. Get it out of your hands quick. This doesn't let the pass rush get involved. I really expected to see that type of attack from Kansas City. And honestly, it was almost the exact opposite. It was like, hey, no, we're going to protect and we got a great offensive line and we're going to throw the ball down the field. And that's where I can't get my head around it yet. So I believe we have your dad on the phone.


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[Assistant] And then they got into, hey, we're gonna play man to man and try to stop the run. But like, think about this, remember the Gronkowski throw over the middle, he almost broke it for the long touchdown?


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[Assistant] See Sorensen is man on Gronkowski. That was his fault. It was him. He's man to man. But he's also, he's also watching the run fake.


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[Assistant] And now he's, they've been running the ball on us a little bit. And he came off as man. But Tyrone Matthew was there behind him to fill that gap. That's why Tyrone Matthew, when Gronkowski's running down the field, his arms are like this. He's going, wait, who's covering him? You were supposed to cover him. What are you doing? I had that run gap.


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[Assistant] So to dad's point, they made a lot of mistakes like that. And, you know, dad hit it. Dad, I want you to just hear this because I don't know and I know you've been working a lot in the last few days.


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[Assistant] Kansas, uh, going back to Kansas City's offense and the spreading the field and what you talked about and everything like that. The Bucks, dad, they never played single safety man the whole game.


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[Assistant] In fact, they only played man to man, two man, and it was like six times the whole game. The rest of the game was all quarters, quarters push, three deep, four under, four deep, three under. I mean, that's all it was, the whole game.


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[Assistant] Alright, so wait, so I just wanna unpack a few things there. First off, you know, the timeouts. Like listen, I said this on Monday, I was sitting there on the couch with Philip and you know, my wife Danielle going, man, really?


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[Assistant] It's 14 to 6 and it could be worse, like let's just go in at halftime and let's call it that.


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[Assistant] Okay, but, but, but, but, you know, Andy Reid being aggressive, getting the ball back into Patrick Mahomes is also what's gotten them there and got them what they are, where they are for the second year in a row. So I guess, I guess what I'm trying to do, I'm just, I want to get your take on that because I'm trying to defend Andy Reid. Like I'm just saying,


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[Assistant] Listen, I didn't agree with the decision, but I don't think it was like the f-


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[Assistant] That's the point, dad. That's exactly the point. There's nothing in the first half that showed that that was gonna happen. And I'm glad that's why we talked it out.


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[Assistant] Yep, okay, alright, so, I haven't really talked to Dad about the game, so I don't know, I guess you could tell. We talked during the game a few times, alright, but I just want to ask some basic, Chris Simms is a fan and would like to hear Phil Simms answers to this, alright? Big Phil, uhm, in person.


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[Assistant] What, just give me the, the in-person look test, right? Cause I can still, I always go with this cause dad, I can still remember at the Buccaneers Raiders game back in 2002, Super Bowl, right? That year. I can still remember I talked to dad in like the first quarter, the end of the first quarter in the game and he just went, oh.


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[Assistant] Christopher, it's Eve, it's over. I'm just, he goes, the Bucks are moving at a different speed out here. And I was like, really? I was like, it looks like they're better on TV, but is it like that? And he was like, ha, they got no chance, the writers. You know? And I'm all, the in-person look test is a real thing. So just like, what did it look like to you in person, dad?


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[Assistant] Yes. No, that was Breland too, I believe. He puts his left hand on him and tries to chuck him downfield, right?


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[Assistant] It was the quickest flag I ever saw. Honestly, that's to me is one of the weird things of the game. And I don't mean to cut Dad off. Cause Dad and I, I think what Dad's telling you is, I mean, listen, we all thought that Tampa Bay was the better football team.


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[Assistant] But those calls there cheated us out of a much closer, more exciting football game.


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[Assistant] And it was not within the consistency of how things have been called during the playoffs. Like dad said, on the interception with Mike Evans, Mike Evans was walking away going, that's every play I've had in the playoffs. There was no pass interference. And then he saw the flag and of course then he does like, oh, it's on them.


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[Assistant] I mean, of course, because it's always on the defense. But yes, I just was disappointed by that. And listen, I'm not trying to...


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[Assistant] I just felt like it was real, really quick flags. Really quick flags. For everything. Everything. I mean, did Damocon Sioux punch Patrick Mahomes in the head? And they did not throw.


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[Assistant] That, that, that's to me, again, I'm not, it's just, it was very weird officiated game. Let me just tell you another one. You know the penalty where he gets hit in the head at the end of the game, and they finally call it, right? When they had the party on Patrick Mahomes, and Sue and Devon, I think JPP hit him in the head? I'm telling you, the referee didn't want to call this penalty then either.


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[Assistant] And there still was no flag on the ground. So again, that just is like, not that there were the better team or anything, but the reffing was very odd for a Super Bowl. And I cannot let that skate.


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[Assistant] The offense of Kansas City never got going to the point where they could start to put the pressure on the Bucs to where they ever had to leave their comfort zone. So they were always able to just go, we can still run it on first and second. Was there anything new there? No, just think about, well, not really, but think about like the first two-third downs of the game.


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[Assistant] The Bucks went three and out and three and out. Guess what happened? It was third and sixth and plus every time. That's when Kansas City and Spags are awesome. That's Brady's worst down.


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[Assistant] Oh no, now there's crazy blitzes and people around me and that's what he doesn't like that. They couldn't get the game into that at any point of the football game. And the biggest reason is just because


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[Assistant] Their freaking offensive line, like dad said, just absolutely mauled the defensive line that we've seen answer the bell against Derrick Henry and the Tennessee Titans, the 49ers, the Cleveland Browns a few weeks ago. They stopped everybody. It's the first time in a long time I've seen the Kansas City front.


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[Assistant] Get pushed around in a game. The best offensive line in football? It's the most, it's the biggest, most physical, I think, right now. That's what I would say, yes.


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[Assistant] No, it was the left guard, it was the guard, yeaah, it was the left guard, uh, but one of those formations you talked about where it was extra linemen, two tight ends, and they don't have enough people over there, so they just block everybody down and kick the corner out.


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[Assistant] Well, it's okay. It doesn't matter. But you know, listen, this is the way it was perfect for Tom Brady. He's gonna make sure we get in the right plays. Okay, protect him. And Brady, at 43, is still an unbelievable thrower of the football. That's amazing.


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[Assistant] Let me just say this right off the bat. Alright, just right off this and dad can think about it a little bit. I mean, first off, Gronk is coming back.


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[Assistant] He's coming back. I would be shocked if Antonio Brown's not back. And I will also say, I don't think there's any way Chris Godwin's back. I just don't. I don't think he's back. I don't think so because I think he is going to be able to command 17, 18 million dollars a year and they just can't keep everybody. So who's your, who's your pick dad?


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[Assistant] That hit it right though. The Shaq Barrett is the one. Shaq Barrett is the guy. Shaq Barrett, you know, again, led the football in sacks in 2019. 2020 is still damn good.


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[Assistant] So that is your... Why is Tampa Bay not right with Kansas City? I don't understand that. That is curious.


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[Assistant] Yep, no doubt about it. I agree with dad just to answer the question real quick. I don't think they're a team.


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[Assistant] That gets worn out. It's a lot of football. It's a lot of football. It's just not that culture there. It's not that culture of like,


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[Assistant] We're grind grind, I mean, I'm not trying to disrespect, but Andy's just got a great culture of, this is football, this is fun, we're gonna throw it, hey, we got this.


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[Assistant] You guys are going to do twirls and a backflip and we're going to say set hut. Isn't that fun? It's not going to work in the Super Bowl, but. It's not a grind. And then they win on top of it and they're playing a style of football that's fun.


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[Assistant] With a quarterback that everybody just goes, man this guy's the guy. I would have a hard time thinking they fall into the like, the doldrums of like, oh man another grind of the year. I don't think they're that type of team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's nothing. They do nothing. They do nothing easy for him, nothing. It's always just degree of difficulty throw is on a nine or ten on the scale and we hope he can, you know, be a nine and a half or a ten on this throw.


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[Assistant] We've had a deep conversation about the game with dad since it ended. During the game a few times. And of course we text. Because yes, he is at the game, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was an interesting game in a lot of ways, but yeaah, I think Dad, which he kind of echoed, the plan of attack was a little odd by Kansas City, there's no doubt about that. The Bucks are the bigger physical team, we knew that.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm, I'm interested to watch my dad's, you know, I only saw some of the Showtime show, the Inside the NFL, last night. I didn't get to see the Bruce Arians part. I don't know how I missed it, really. Uhm, but, yeaah, I just, I love watching that stuff.


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[Assistant] You know, again, it was a tough day. My homes was still phenomenal. I went on a bunch of radio shows yesterday and people, you know, again,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it wasn't his best game. It wasn't because of Patrick Mahomes though. That's, that's where I just want to make sure, you know, cause, again, it's, I didn't walk away from the game going, oh, he just threw the ball bad, missed, the guys were open. Or, it was the, even the incomplete passes were like, that was amazing. He had four touchdowns dropped on a,


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[Assistant] Like they were off, like you're going, nobody in the history of the sport could have made these throws.


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[Assistant] Whether you talk about Hill between his hands off his head in the end zone, the other Darrell Williams when he's on the ground and throws it off the ground, 40 yards off his face in the end zone. Two plays before that, he scrambled them through to Demarcus Robinson who dropped the ball in the end zone and then Kelsey's third down play. You know, so really Mahomes did


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[Assistant] Just about everything you could possibly do. You know, with that, they were out coached, they were out physicaled, and


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[Assistant] The rafts were apart, and I'm not trying to say it.


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[Assistant] I want to echo this again. I just want to echo it one more time.


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[Assistant] One of the most odd referee games I've ever seen. I'm dead serious.


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[Assistant] Uh, like this, I think this puts it in perspective.


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[Assistant] Tom Brady has admitted that he was the one in the wrong with the personal foul on Tyrone Matthew.


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[Assistant] He ran after Tyrone Matthew. And they threw the penalty on Tyrone Matthew.


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[Assistant] That is just shit where I just go in this game, like what? I don't understand what, how the game was being repped. And again, I don't think it matters, cause the Bucks would have won no matter what.


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[Assistant] But, we could have been sitting there at like mid-fourth quarter going, it's 28-20. This is fun. You know, and that's where I think the referee screwed us. And I just don't understand the approach a little bit. Like I said, like dad said, I mean my dad never attacks refs.


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[Assistant] And, and the biggest point, and I'm glad he wrote it because I forgot it and I wrote this down. Evan's reaction on the first interception, to me, said it all. Dad was exactly right there. He didn't react. He didn't react because he went, this has been every play in my whole playoff, so why would it matter now? So I just think that's weird, uh, but congrats to


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[Assistant] It was a whole season of the referees getting together and going, hey, like this, you know how they did the, oh, let's get together, let's get, we're talking about the play, but we're just waiting to see the replay and hear from the NFL so we can tell and change the flag. Like dad's right, with the incidental contact, it was, it's out of the textbook. I will say,


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[Assistant] Same thing that you just said. Well, they called them during the year, they haven't called them during the playoffs. That's where it's just weird. And that's where the NFL's gotta fix that whole, that whole issue altogether. Alright, that's it!


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[Assistant] One more thing. A premature button. I love. Uh oh.


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[Assistant] Well he probably feels like he's a little bit, a little more leash and rope to kind of just, to be that guy. New England's a little weird, where even if Tom Brady started coaching too much, they'd be like,


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[Assistant] We got it. They wanted the coaches to coach, the players to play, and of course Tom Brady was allowed to do whatever you wanted to do, but I'm sure he felt a little more free with Bruce Arians and company.


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[Assistant] And really, if we take a hundred Eagle fans, there's four or five like him, but the other ninety-four or five are like what I'm saying. I'm sorry, I go on the radio and TV in Philadelphia all the time. This is all I answer. So obviously it's the topic.


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[Assistant] And is Carson Wentz the guy or not? And we don't think he's the guy. Tell us why you think he's the guy. So it's a real thing.


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[Assistant] And it's not, yes, Howie Roseman and the Eagles have put him in this situation in a lot, in a lot of ways. There's no doubt about it. They certainly haven't helped it. And of course they really heard it last year by drafting Jalen Hurts and creating that issue.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I know, I'm not saying, but that's just the perception is what I'm trying to explain to our, our Eagles fans out there. I know there's a lot of them out there that see and respect.


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[Assistant] What Carson Wentz is doing, and I understand, uh, this guy is right here as well.


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[Assistant] Again, does not love Carson. That's, that's not, I can't get behind that and go, okay, cause you said so, I will. You love Carson, there's some other fans that I know do love him, but


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[Assistant] I mean, the year after the Super Bowl, it was Nick Foles, Nick Foles, Nick Foles, Nick Foles, Nick Foles.


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[Assistant] The next year, it was, why did we let go of Nick Foles and keep Carson Wentz, Carson Wentz, Carson Wentz. Oh wait, now he's taking us to the playoffs. Hey, he is pretty good at Carson Wentz. And then the next year, it went to Carson Wentz's trash, trash, trash, trash, trash. Can we see Jalen Hurts, Jalen Hurts, Jalen Hurts. And now, I, so again,


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[Assistant] The reality of the situation is, I understand there's a few, but no.


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[Assistant] The national media and the majority of the fans in Philadelphia do not support Carson Wentz. No.


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[Assistant] No, I don't, that's not it. That's not it. That's not it. It really isn't.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's much different. That's the big thing.


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[Assistant] Again, the issues there, I think, Doug Peterson and Howie Roseman are at the top, for sure. I mean, yes. So they're one and two.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'll go with Howie, just because I think lack of the talent around Wentz to help him out was the number one issue. They tried, they got Rager, right? They got, they tried, right, right, but I know that was a point of contention down there.


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[Assistant] Where they drafted him. This was a Howie Roseman special. That's what I've been led to believe. This was him and he put his power on the scouting department and said, I want him. And they were like, no, our board says he's farther down the list.


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[Assistant] That, that is also him. And then Peterson, yes, I'll give him some there with, you know, maybe I want to say different plane of attack on offense sometimes and things like that.


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[Assistant] You know, and then- Then Eagles fans and then Carson himself. Well, I'll go with- I'll throw Carson on there. I think Carson- He didn't have a good year, right? He didn't have a good year? No, not help around him. I don't think he embraces Philadelphia enough. That would be my other thing to him. You know, just- just- I'll be-


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[Assistant] Yeah, right, about his leadership style. There's no doubt. There's no doubt. I understand. I mean, yes, we've all heard the rumors and those things. And then you can, there's inklings I've seen to go, ooh, I think that justifies the rumors when I'm hearing and things like that. But yeah, it's going to be interesting to watch. Listen, after those two things, really, after like the Rosamund Peterson, okay,


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[Assistant] I've been led to believe he doesn't really want the Bears to happen, and I argued on Monday and on PFT yesterday, go, why would the Bears want him? So we can be in the same spot, Bears, and you can, if he has a bad game, everyone's gonna go, Nagy and Pace can't evaluate quarterbacks. But you don't think, he's a significant upgrade on Trubisky, right? Definitely, he definitely is. I just think it's a risky trade for them. Okay? I, I, I do. I don't think, and,


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[Assistant] You know, again, I guess I'd like to see how they're going to play football this year and do that. Are they going to try to be what they were at the end of the year, run the ball, bootlegs, things like that? I don't know what they're going to do. I just think that's a risky one for both parties in that because


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[Assistant] The jump off is there to go, why would you want wins or why are you guys can't evaluate quarterbacks? It's very close. So I mean, the Colts still seem to be like to me to be the leaders in the clubhouse.


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[Assistant] But after that, I have no inkling of who else it will be. I think we need a few dominoes to fall here first. There's so many dominoes. That's what I mean. A few have to fall, I think, maybe for the Carson Wences of the world to figure out where they go. You know, what is Carolina going to do at quarterback? Washington, what are they going to do at quarterback?


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[Assistant] Of course the Jets, what are they going to do with the number 2 pick or stay with Sam Darnold? Yea, Jacksonville too. Yea, the Jacksonville, the Deshaun Watson issue. You know, the Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott, Jimmy Garoppolo and the 49ers. There's just too many things right now that are uncertain, so it's hard for me to pin him to anywhere right now. The Patriots.


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[Assistant] I think they all stay put. I do think it's going to end up being more underwhelming than we were expecting. I am. I do expect that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't expect movement with any of those names there. I don't. Now...


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[Assistant] You know, there's just a lot of teams though that have quarterback questions. You know, the Saints, do they stick with what they got there? You know, Taysom Hill and Jameis.


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[Assistant] A lot of teams where you don't know what direction they're going in yet, uh, but the Wentz and Philadelphia ones certainly to watch out for. And, you know, the other talk of just about that is that, you know, the picks for Philadelphia and what they're going to get in return. I don't see how they think they're going to get a boatload.


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[Assistant] of like big time picks in return. He cost so much money. He cost a lot of money. You gotta get that. So some team is taking that burden, let alone, again,


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[Assistant] There is the risk factor. There's a aura around Wentz of, we're not sure he's the guy. Right. And you have to, I think that takes the value off of it, let alone, we're pretty sure he doesn't want to be there either, which also takes the value off of it. So, I'm just interested to see what they actually get in the end game here for


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[Assistant] I'm taking a week off. I'm taking a week off but we got all these things compiled. We're gonna answer all of these questions. We're gonna get back into, you know, two podcasts a week after next week and we will definitely have more.


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[Assistant] Draft and quarterbacks and all that stuff too. So we got plenty of topics to talk about.


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[Assistant] Not that I'll be here, but there'll be plenty of content to check out and some good interviews. I promise that. Peace out. Everybody be good. See ya. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] You're stuck with mom and dad watching. I also remember thinking about the week. I think it was a 2015 season because we were in San Francisco. And Mike and I were doing shows from out there. And I saw you after one of the shows. I remember walking away thinking, man, it would be fun to talk football with Chris like on a regular basis.


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[Assistant] I've been on a plane a bunch because of Notre Dame football. And everybody, from the time you walk into the airport, I mean, it's great to see everybody's got a mask on. I kind of figured it'd be sporadic, but uhm, it's, it feels very safe. So I think you may be onto something. I think it may, that sort of thing might be seen for a while.


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[Assistant] As I go to touch my face every time. Now I have a huge complex about this. Let's start though, before we get to the specific breakdown of it, zooming out a little bit, five of the last seven Super Bowl rematches, thinking about rematches in the big game, were won by the regular season loser.


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[Assistant] I mean, as the guy who usually plays host, I mean, on this, I mean, it's kind of a co-hosty thing, but usually I find these things as interesting conversation. We should bring this up because it's fun. Right. But at the end of the day, it doesn't have anything to do with what's going to happen at the game. I don't think so either. I don't.


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[Assistant] Okay, so that, that's a good place to really dive in. Chiefs offense, Bucks defense. Let's go ahead and roll this. It was an unbelievable performance right away. That first quarter was tremendous. Patrick Mahomes, season highs and completions with 37 attempts and yards at 462. And Tyreek Hill was just on


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[Assistant] They blitz, what was it, 10 times total? My homes was 6 out of 9, so 9 times. 6 out of 9, 106, 2 touchdowns. Right. They did it only once in the second half.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you established Russian 4 is the best way to go. With that thought, we get to Steven Limitone, his question from Twitter. Do you think the 49ers last year or the Bucs this year have a better D line? Even with the injuries this year, are the Chiefs in that much trouble?


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[Assistant] So, at Mehmet305, his question, do you think it's essential for Kansas City to get their running game going early to protect the O-line? I guess you're answering that right now.


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[Assistant] No, that's good. Talked about the defensive line. Let's back it up now to the DBs, which I think are going to be a huge part of this game. I think they're playing a lot better. They are. All those young second to fourth round picks they have in the secondary than they were two months ago. Official Kian, his question is, do you think Tampa has the secondary coverage to cope with Mahomes?


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[Assistant] They weren't, and that's one of my questions I want to make sure we get to. They weren't with that three deep with a safety in the middle of the field. At least in that game a couple months ago. What if they play the two deep, the two safeties, and then rolled corners?


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[Assistant] I do think that they gave him not a bad game, but if you picked out the, uhm, so how many games did they play this year? 18 games. If you picked out their 18 games, it would be in the bottom middle or maybe bottom half of the games he played. Right. By his standards. Yeah, sure, okay. So they did hold him to less than his best.


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[Assistant] So what do you do with Tyree Kill? I know Kelsey is his own version of Nightmare.


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[Assistant] We showed the numbers of Tyree Kill over 200 yards in the first quarter last time I played. And to get further into that, he was on the left sideline running like a 20 yard conversion. He was on the right sideline running right down for a deep ball. He was the inside player in a slot like you talked about, running short, running deep.


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[Assistant] So I mean, not only does he have the, the speed acceleration of production, you don't know where he's gonna line up. No. On any given play. No. You know, you need to be worried about that though. So what, what do you do with the way they use him pre-snap?


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[Assistant] And you'd like to see Kansas City's response at least early be more the short passing game than taking the shots.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's Chiefs offense, Bucks defense. I think I have even more questions about the other side. Yeaah. Bucks offense, Chiefs defense, if you're ready to go there. I'm ready to go. Let's start out first quarter while Kansas City was piling up the big plays offensively.


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[Assistant] Pete, I think we have a graphic, Brady under pressure, uh, week 12, there we go. So, under pressure, 4 out of 10, uh, struggle.


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[Assistant] Through a couple of picks, I mean, it was, like I said, incompletions and punts. I know. For those first three or four possessions. Right. Uh, no pressure though, he was really, really good.


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[Assistant] That's where they're different now compared to then. Definitely. I would expect Kansas City and Spagnolo to come out aggressive. Right. Because they had that success. But Tampa Bay's response might be different now because Leonard Fornette, in the three playoff wins, he has double digit carries


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[Assistant] He didn't have three games in a row like that all season. You throw in the passing game, he's averaging 20 touches a game. So that's the difference with what they're doing. How do you think that'll affect the early part of the game now that they can lean a little bit more on four net?


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[Assistant] It feels like to me they've really embraced that identity because in addition, and this is in the playoff wins, the last three games. Right. In addition to what they've done with four net in the two games Ronald Jones has played, he's also in double digit carries. So like that part of the game is coming early. Yes. Whether Kansas City can stop it or not. I'd be really surprised if they didn't go to that right away on those first two or three possessions.


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[Assistant] At JoshLove81 asks, what will spags do to try and confuse Brady? If I can walk you down an even more specific road, thinking about third medium brain loss.


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[Assistant] On the other side, it's always fun to compare in these kind of games. We spent time talking about how nearly impossible it is to take care of Hill and Kelsey with that combination. Yeaah. So in the passing game, for the bucks, you've got Evans.


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[Assistant] Who is, who is the second part of that? Right. I know Godwin's the obvious answer, but who is the second guy that you're kind of comboing with? You're like, man, we have got to stop those two. Cause then the other side, you know, it's, it's, it's uh, Kelsey.


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[Assistant] It's a real obvious setup for the other side with Hill and Kelsey. Right. So for Tampa Bay you have Evans, and who's that next guy with the 1A or the 2 that you're most worried about? It's still Godwin.


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[Assistant] You talked about Kansas City's offensive line being the weakness on that side. Kansas City's defense. D-line, linebacker, D-Bs, any weaknesses that Tampa Bay can try to explain.


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[Assistant] These two teams play ten times. How many times does Kansas City win?


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[Assistant] This is where I would like to be able to push back and say, I think they'd win half the times, but I'd, maybe seven, but I mean, to me it all begins with, how do you even begin to stop the Hill Kelsey Mahomes


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[Assistant] What they're going to do, pre-snap, what they're going to do during the play. And I can't come up with too many formulas or too many scenarios where I see Tampa Bay's defense getting the best of that. Even though I think offensively they're much better than what they were when they were struggling when the game mattered most last time. It's the other side of it. It's hard to picture Tampa Bay doing that well.


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[Assistant] Fun question here from at Ken Rafferty. Chris, love the show. Fun question. Swap quarterbacks in the Super Bowl. Brady is now with Kansas City and Mahomes is with the Bucs. Who wins?


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[Assistant] What does the spread say? The spread stays the same. Quarterback's changed. I think it's three and a half.


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[Assistant] Pete, I thought we had him. I love that you pulled that question out. Okay, at Max, what is Max's last name?


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[Assistant] We'll go with Max. Remember, I'm the guy who said Matt the W, so these last names.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Yeaah. Would you rather have one calcium?


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[Assistant] There you go. Would you take Kelsey, or would you take the combo of Brayton Gronkowski? You can have one of those two things.


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[Assistant] Thinking of coaching even more, and this is my would you rather. I'm not pulling this one off of our ask me anything. Would you rather have two weeks to sit down and get in with the game plan with Byron Leftwitch?


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[Assistant] Played quarterback in the league. He's gonna be in with you those entire two weeks. He doesn't have to run the whole team. Right. Or would you rather have Andy Reed as your play caller?


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[Assistant] It's also fun to think about a guy who's got nothing else to do but put the game plan together and just played in the league for 10 years himself. I know. And clearly they get along pretty well.


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[Assistant] Pete, you just said something in my ear, which is always a fun thing to say.


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[Assistant] And in my Chris Sim school of looking at offensive football, Brady's been under center a lot more because of their running game being more prominent.


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[Assistant] So Pete says, uh, digging deeper, Kansas City defense, 17th and third down conversions this season. They were sixth on third and long, which is seven or more. So that comes into the confusion and then Spags doing his thing best.


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[Assistant] Do you see it being, at any point in the fourth quarter, a double digit, I'm sorry, a single digit, a single digit lead for the Chiefs, like, I'm hoping for a good game in the fourth quarter?


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[Assistant] So you think about, like, your dad playing in it? You think about, like, God, what if I was in that moment?


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[Assistant] That's for sure. How about a little, uh, points bet here? Let's do it. Alright, the Chris Simms Cannon Shot Bet provided by Points Bet Sportsbook. What do we have here? Oh, special is what we have here.


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[Assistant] That is awesome. And, uh, it was Lamar Marshall that you jumped over. Lamar Marshall.


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[Assistant] Texas A&M guy. Yeaah. Power Tribal. He beat me there, I beat him in college though. Are you ready for quarterback jeopardy? Oh, you know it. Okay, so, I mean, spoiler alert. It's hard at Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] It's Brady and Mahomes and these teams based. Okay. And it is, it is a difficult one. It is.


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[Assistant] Alright, I like it. Alright, for a hundred. Tom Brady going for an unprecedented seventh Super Bowl win. This would be his first in Tampa. He has two wins in one stadium. Right, Houston.


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[Assistant] Did you go off of my look, or did you hear Pete yelling? No. Because he was worried about you.


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[Assistant] Who has thrown the most interceptions in Tampa Bay postseason history? Ooh, that is a good one. Yeaah. Man, okay. The options aren't that many. You can probably pick out the three candidates. I'm scared of me. So that's not you. Okay.


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[Assistant] Before you, before you roll out your answer, I'm going to ask Pete if I can give one, I'm going to give one little extra little. Am I missing a quarterback that I skipped over? No, no, no, I just, I want to throw out one, I want to correct you on one thing. You said in the 80's you don't think they went to any Super Bowls, any playoffs, and that's not true. That's not true.


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[Assistant] They got their asses kicked in the playoffs in the 80s. Like, I mean, bad. Badly.


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[Assistant] Thanks for the help. No, that's fair. Because this 400, it's the hardest 400 ever. Okay?


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[Assistant] Two seasons we've been doing this, this is the one. Alright?


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[Assistant] Since losing to Tom Brady in the AFC title game two years ago, Patrick Mahomes has won five playoff games in a row.


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[Assistant] Surprisingly though, he's only thrown for over 300 in two of them. Which two?


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[Assistant] This is a very good one. I have one small hint. It's not as big as the other one. I gave you a small one. One of the two is fairly obvious.


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[Assistant] There were five, five games. You already picked one. You eliminated the Cleveland game. So you're talking about three other games. Right. Three other games. So what are they?


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[Assistant] Good pitch, low on outside. Okay, 500. Damn! The Chiefs lost in Super Bowl I to Green Bay. Right. From the halftime locker room, with Kansas City trailing only 14 to 10.


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[Assistant] We have the iconic picture of Hall of Fame quarterback Len Dawson doing what? Smoking a cig. There you are. Smoking him if you got him, baby. Look at that. All time, all timer. It's halftime, we're only down four. Hold on Coach, I got a fire up this heater. He's like, hold on Coach. And have a fresca.


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[Assistant] What would, what would be as cool to bring up and say, look at how much things have changed? Is there anything at all?


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[Assistant] Phones with chords. Is that what you said, Pete? Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So are these, uh, linemen types or more? Almost always on defense.


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[Assistant] Right? My mom used to smoke cigarettes. My sister and I used to, used to find them, break them in half and like, finally got her to quit. But you mean, it was so 1970s. Like, that's not the kind of thing you see anymore.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, what's up? It's Chris Sims Unbuttoned. Ahmed Fareed's here. Yes, once again, another point, another little clip of evidence of you trying to add more work to my life. Man, when you start paying me, then maybe I'll start listening to your orders. Until then, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know what just happened. My earpiece got stuck there. There we go. We're good.


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[Assistant] Every game had something to deliver. No doubt about that. I mean, you're right. The thing that stunk about our game on, on Saturday night, the matchup, the game, it was a lot of fun. I know it got to 17-13. I still was going, okay, yeaah, I don't think Baltimore's gonna come back and win the game, but I didn't think it was like,


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[Assistant] Ridiculous. It's just two touchdowns. We saw them come back from 10-0 last week. It just stunk in that one. You know, he throws the pick six at 17-3, two plays later, snap over his head, concussion, and then you knew it was over. So that really stunk from that aspect. But man, everything else, we got a lot to talk about here.


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[Assistant] You know, it was great seeing you, ho, hey Mrs. Breeze, blah blah blah, good luck to you guys, I'm outta here. Just sit there and then be like, you know, them be like, hey Mr. Brady, throw me a pass! And he's throwing it, like that was really cool. Really cool.


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[Assistant] You're exactly right. To me, yes. We're going to talk about Brady. It's amazing what he's doing. 14th, you know, conference championship, you know, wherever he goes, he wins, he's clutch, whatever. I know all of that. You're right. But to me, the story of that game is the defense, one, the turnovers they created to your point, and then two,


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[Assistant] You know, the, the plan of attack by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I gotta give them a lot of credit. I mean, first off,


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[Assistant] We knew that running the ball was important. I didn't think they were gonna go that steadfast, they were stubborn with it, and they really stuck with it, and I give, that's where I really give Bruce Arians a lot of credit, Ahmed, because it's a guy that's famous for his down the field passing attack.


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[Assistant] And they basically played a game where they said, to a point at one point in the game where you're sitting there going, man, are they gonna continue to be this conservative? They're not gonna win the game if they're gonna be this conservative. Are they really gonna keep running the ball like this? I mean, that's what I was saying to myself at one point. And, but I think they felt like,


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[Assistant] They were willing to go, we're going to play this style of game because we think it's our greatest chance to win the game. The Saints beat people with their pressure on the quarterback.


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[Assistant] And let's just keep this into a one score game late in the fourth quarter and our quarterback's Tom Brady and we got like our chance and they kind of stood with that. Now it didn't come to that, but they played that way and I really give them a lot of respect for, you know, their diligence in sticking with that game.


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[Assistant] I think after the first drive or two and they got a feel for what the saints were doing, listen, this is gonna be a common theme. This is, we gotta go down this road a little bit.


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[Assistant] They basically just said, well, we gotta get in their face. What are we scared of? What are we scared of? Why would we be playing soft zone coverages and just play into the hands of Drew Brees and company and let him throw four and five yard passes in between our zone coverage?


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[Assistant] And just dissect us that way. That's what they did the first two times. You know, the last time they played, once they got down big they changed up their plan of attack and played a little bit like they did yesterday.


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[Assistant] But it was too late. The game was blown out. But I'm sure they, when they look back at that film, they went, you know what? Why? Why did we play these soft stones? What were we protecting against? This is not Mahomes and Tyree Kill. You know, this is Drew Brees, who right now at this point of his career is famous for not being able to throw the ball.


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[Assistant] So I think the big thing was, Ahmed, more than anything is just the aggressive nature of the Tampa Bay defense. That's really what we saw.


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[Assistant] The interception, okay, the first one, tight man-to-man coverage on Michael Thomas, right? They weren't going to let him throw a four-yard route out into the flat where it's zoned, and so there's that interception. You know, the, the uhm, there was a few other bang-bang plays, of course, into tight coverage. The other interception, more of a zoned coverage, but


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[Assistant] Then it still breezes in an ability to back people off. That kind of caused that too. So, I guess that's what I'm trying to say. It's just the defense itself.


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[Assistant] They knew they had to do something different from the first two times around. And I think the biggest difference just from watching the game and quickly watching film here this morning was just an aggressive, in-your-face attack by the Bucks because they realized who they're playing against.


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[Assistant] Uhm, uh, Troy Aikman tries to protect quarterbacks in his day and he doesn't always...


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[Assistant] This play, specifically that you saw here, Alvin Kamara running up the scene. You've seen it before in the NFL. You saw it a few years ago. Andy Reid invented it. Kareem Hunt running up the scene against the New England Patriots on the opening Sunday of football a few years ago. Everybody runs this play now.


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[Assistant] Right? So it's the three verticals play. You see Kansas City run this play all week. Tyree Kill runs the inside guy. They got everybody going straight. So they're doing it right now out of the shotgun.


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[Assistant] Kamara is in the backfield right next to Breeze, alright. You're gonna see Cook release inside and kinda run a post-go route and then the 82 runs the outside go route and Kamara is gonna run right up the middle to be the seam route.


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[Assistant] Now, go back one more time, Pete, as we break this down just to where, before he throws the ball. I can stop it right there if we can. First off, the protection's perfect, right? You can see it's a four man rush. They got everybody blocked up. There's nothing, there's no issue there.


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[Assistant] The play is for the, and against this look and this defense, the play is for these three verticals on the right hand side.


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[Assistant] I don't know why Drew Brees throws this ball so quickly. This is a seam route. A seam route. Which is somewhat of like a go route.


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[Assistant] I've never seen a seam route really at any point, unless it's a blitz and a hot, where you're supposed to be throwing it and completing it at nine yards. There's no such thing.


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[Assistant] If he lets Alvin Kamara run here and drives and hits him with the ball around the other teams 45 yard line, he's gonna score a touchdown maybe. It's gonna be a foot race between him and Carlton Davis. I don't know what led to him to...


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[Assistant] Throwing the ball that way. Alvin Kamara was not, he's not turning around thinking, wait, on a go-round I need to look at eight yards and think, he's not thinking that.


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[Assistant] He's thinking, I've caught this ball in practice all week around 19 to 22 yards down the field. That's how it's taught. That's how Sean Payton teaches it. That's how John Greeden teaches it. I don't know why Drew Brees threw it that way. I don't. But again,


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[Assistant] That's sometimes where, you know, we talk about lack of arm strength, some of the issues with Drew Brees. And see, when you're not throwing the ball well, or you don't trust the way you're gonna throw it, it affects decisions. And that's what you, you, you, I can point to things like that all over football during the year.


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[Assistant] I don't know what led him to want to throw that ball quickly. If he just lets it develop, he's got a really good chance at a completion and a big play down the field. But as we know, it was intercepted and really the game was never the same after that. It was kind of over after that.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, go ahead. What were you going to say? What was our first Twitter question, the first one you asked me? Because I feel like there was a part I didn't answer there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I have great respect for Drew Brees and of course Tom Brady. To compare those two right now is not fair to Tom Brady. Tom Brady is still playing at an unbelievably high level and


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[Assistant] The game does not have to be called or the game plan change in any way for him other than if you want him to throw the ball down the field, you gotta protect him, right? He's not gonna stand there and take shots.


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[Assistant] That's not the same for the other guy. The other guy drew in New Orleans.


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[Assistant] The offense, the plan of attack is being changed a little bit because there's things he can't do.


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[Assistant] And they can't call certain plays and they gotta call in certain situations different plays because they don't know what they're gonna quite get. And, you know, I'm into your point here and everything we're talking about. Here's the sprite chart.


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[Assistant] There's not one pass over 20 yards. It's too hard in the NFL to win that way, let alone in the playoffs against playoff defenses win that way. And that's why we've seen


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[Assistant] The Saints the last three years lose in playoff games where they're the better team on the field.


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[Assistant] But they can't create a big play or anything like that to take the pressure off of their team. And it's just too hard to consistently, right now,


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[Assistant] Go, you know, 12 plays, 80 yards in the playoffs, 5 yards at a time. Listen, Aaron Rodgers and the Buccaneers and Mahomes, they can do it.


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[Assistant] But they can do it. Why? Because everybody's worried about them thrown deep. So the short passes are wide open. It's easy for them to do it.


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[Assistant] Nobody's playing that kind of defense against the Saints, they're going, the hell with the deep defenses, let's just stop the short pass. And yet they're still trying to throw it short. So it's hard to do that if that makes sense in that little synopsis there. What a great career for Drew Brees.


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[Assistant] He just ends up looking in the backfield and following the ball instead of playing man-to-man coverage the way he should be. And you know, I'll bring up a thing too. Pete Demoletus asked before we start because Pete Demoletus said his wife, who went to my high school, is very intelligent, she observed, right?


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[Assistant] That she was like, why did they need Jamis Winston in for that play and not just leave Drew Brees? But maybe if you see Drew Brees there and the ball starting to


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[Assistant] I think it's Taysum. I think it is Taysum. I wouldn't be shocked though if they pay Jameis high level backup money to stay. Taysum's been hurt a lot recently. You're gonna run him with those Wildcat type plays and stuff like that?


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[Assistant] I could tell you he's gonna get a banged up knee or a concussion next year too. So you better have a good backup. So that could be a very real possibility. I don't think Jameis Winston's done enough to be able to, no one out there's gonna go, we need him as a starter. Let's, let's get him back. You know, it wasn't like a Teddy Bridgewater thing, right? So I would imagine it is Taysom Hill.


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[Assistant] With Jameis Winston being basically 1B as the backup quarterback and ready to go. But I just think there's too much of an intrigue and a love affair between Sean Payton and Taysom Hill and I think he wants to run that kind of offense a little bit.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I expected, you know, to go there when all of a sudden done. But like you said, amazing career by Drew Brees. Yes. It really is. And he's more physically talented than we all give him credit for even in his prime. He was a phenomenal athlete. Yeaah, his arm wasn't Mahomes or Rogers, but it was still a damn good arm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if that was his last game, it stinks that it ended in that fashion. You know, and last thing too.


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[Assistant] Still, with all these things we're saying, it's 20 to 13, they're playing man to man, aggressive in your face, it's third and short, they throw a freaking slant route, the perfect play call for that coverage to Jared Cook, and Antoine Winfield makes the play of the game to strip him. That was the play of the game. Because, to that point,


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[Assistant] They had yet to force Tampa into, okay now Brady you're gonna have to drop back and throw and we're gonna be able to get our pass rush and our crazy coverages and now we can make the game we wanted. To that point they had, and if they just get a field goal there and go 23 to 13 or 27 to 13,


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[Assistant] They're definitely gonna force now Tampa to go. We can't go Leonard Fournette and Ronald Jones. We're gonna have to pass block these guys. You know, Brady, you're gonna have to get uncomfortable, and they're gonna do some crazy coverages. And that was, to me, the play of the game. A rookie safety out of Minnesota. Yeah. Chris Simms top safety in the draft last year. Oh my gosh. Antoine Winfield.


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[Assistant] But you know, we could also give you a big clue. I messed up on my, well the only one I messed up, I like that list there, the kid from, uh, Carolina.


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[Assistant] Who I'm, what's his name, Pete? Uh, Jeremy Chin. I should have had him in the, he would be the one where if you go, where'd you mess up there? I go, Jeremy Chin probably should have been third or fourth in that list there.


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[Assistant] You'll never hear me say that. At no point has he ever been the best receiver in football. Statistically, yes.


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[Assistant] But as you see yesterday in a little of those things. Yea, what happened? How did he not get a catch? Well, it's, it's, it's, it's scheme related sometimes. It's not, he's a really good football player, but he's a great piece in an offense where he fits perfectly as that piece, and he's really good within that, you know, realm of what he's asked to do.


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[Assistant] But again, I, I, I'll say this again, if you put him in Seattle and ask them to be like, oh, you gotta do DK Metcalf, we wouldn't know Michael Thomas as we know Michael Thomas. Or if you put Tyre, him and Tyre Kill Spot in Kansas City and just said, no, we, we don't run four yard, you know, routes and pick for you and find 75 ways to throw it to you six yards.


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[Assistant] You know, no, we just run and you gotta run to that spot and beat that guy. And you gotta run to that spot and make it right and beat that guy. And that's not what he can do all the time. And that's why, you know, they played aggressive in their face because one, they went, there's no receiver here that's scary that's gonna run by us. Two, there's a quarterback that


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[Assistant] Can't throw the ball that deep. And three, man, do you have an unbelievable quick drop back pass game that can just pick apart zones. So why would we do that? And you know what? What happened? They got two interceptions and a strip because they played a different style of football. But they'll have a different animal this week in Aaron Rodgers and company.


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[Assistant] I would almost bet my house that this morning


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[Assistant] My homes is more bothered. He could give a crap about his head. I bet you his head's fine. He's like, what? I, I sent out a, you know, a funny tweet last night. I'm totally firing on all cylinders. Great. Let me go take the Tesla. I guarantee he woke up this morning to take his morning pee and went, Oh my gosh, I can barely move my toe. That is a,


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[Assistant] A very annoying injury. I've had it to a lesser extent. Anybody that's had it playing football will tell you.


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[Assistant] It is debilitating. You can't walk or run normal. You almost have to, like, put your foot to the side because when you start to walk and your toes do that every time, it really bothers that joint of that big toe. And uhm,


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[Assistant] It, I, just watching it on film, you know, he throws the ball and he's kinda twisted around.


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[Assistant] And then Sheldon, uh, Richardson grabs him a little bit, and it makes his leg kind of swing around extra far. I'm gonna stand up, just keep it right there. Oh wow, Chris is standing up. And his toe, I'm gonna get that toe in there, it just gets like totally turned like that. You know, nothing that it looks like, but...


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[Assistant] That's what happens with those kind of injuries and man was he affected.


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[Assistant] And a year where they haven't been able to protect them for the last six weeks? Yeaah. That's where I looked at it. Now they got away with it yesterday because the Browns are not a great defense. So, you know, that was okay to that point and he still at least was able to move enough.


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[Assistant] To where he could, you know, just move in the pocket and boom, throw to Kelsey over the middle. So it wasn't like, but yeaah, I think if he had a sprint sprint, he was nowhere near 100% speed.


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[Assistant] You know, the other thing I'll say too, listen, I don't give a damn if his foot's hurt. What I saw yesterday, I know he missed two throws out to the left because he was trying not to totally put his foot in that weird spot there.


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[Assistant] He's still gonna be able to throw it amazing. It's not gonna ma- In fact, I'm not even lying, he might throw it better.


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[Assistant] And uhm, he made some throws yesterday after his foot got hurt where I went, whoa, that popped out of your hand.


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[Assistant] I was sitting there going, wait, there's two minutes left. You're up by five points, so they need a touchdown to score. I'm going, run the ball.


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[Assistant] And your defense is playing well. Take a timeout right as the clock hits zero and then punt it with a minute and 20 seconds left, right? And now they get the ball and it's a minute and 12 seconds left to go all the way down the field and score a touchdown. That's what I was thinking. When he dropped back to pass, I was like, oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm thinking he's throwing interception. I hope somebody's wide open. I mean, he's not, I mean, is he going to be in rhythm to make the throw, but then makes the great run like you're talking about to get him close enough.


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[Assistant] Right. Yeah. I mean, I think it's those kind of guys, like even like Brady and McDaniels.


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[Assistant] Or you know, McDaniels in their day, like if Brady had to come out and it was Jimmy Garoppolo to back up or somebody, Hoyer, they still would have been like, we gotta play. He can throw it three feet. Let's win the game right here. Let's win it right now. But it's gotta be those special people, it's gotta be those types of offensive player callers who know


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[Assistant] I got something in the lab from last week that I just know is gonna just, you know, mind-blow emoji, and they're not gonna be able to cover it. And he runs inside so much, so let's look at it. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's a play they do a lot. It's basically sprint right option. It's the old, you know, Joe Montana, Dwight Clark in the back of the end zone, right, against the Dallas Cowboys back in the day, except they're doing it at a three, a different way here. So it's run to the right. It's great pass protection.


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[Assistant] And we can go back to the start here before the stat. The big thing is, first off, it's man to man.


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[Assistant] Okay, so there's that aspect right away. So now they know, like, okay, as long as he can beat him off the line of scrimmage, we're gonna have a good chance. Now the defense, the other thing they have to worry about so much here, yep, don't start it yet, is just to


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[Assistant] They run so many inside breaking routes from this formation with Tyree Kill.


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[Assistant] The vertical routes we kinda just talked about with Drew Brees and Alvin Camaro. There he is in the inside of three. He's usually the guy that ends up going across the field. We saw it on the first drive of the game. Romo pointed it out. He hit him on that kind of play. So the DB is also thinking like,


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[Assistant] Damn, if I, if he gets off onto me inside and they just throw a slant route, the game's over. He's scared of that too.


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[Assistant] So because of this, the formation, everything in it, it's man to man, go ahead, let it play, Kristen. And he makes an unbelievable stutter step at the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] Exactly. He got frozen. He didn't know. It's a two-way go. He's in a very tough spot. There's got to be something done there to help him. You know, really, what I would say, and one of the issues with Cleveland all together yesterday, you know, I wish they would have taken a few more risks on the defensive side of the ball. You know, that to me was one of the things I would say, but yeah, on that type of play, Tyree kill,


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[Assistant] I don't know, I would, I probably would have had him double do a degree or something. Somebody, hey, if he runs the inside slant, we got somebody here. So then now the guy that you're covering a man to man, you can play outside leverage and take him when he runs anything out route. But either way, great play design, gutsy as hell play call. Yep. And, I'm in, once again,


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[Assistant] The overlooked thing, you heard me say this probably this morning, the overlooked thing with the Chiefs is their toughness and physicality as a football team. Constantly. Oh, they won't be able to stop Nick Chubb in the Browns running game. You know, it's, it's, you tell them that they gotta stop something, they always stop it. They really do.


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[Assistant] You know, between their defense and then the grittiness in their offensive line and, oh wait, Mahomes is out, now we're gonna run the ball and chew up clock and do all of that.


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[Assistant] Man, that's, I got it, that's all Andy Reid. That's attitude in your team, toughness in your team, a team that doesn't give up or just get down because one guy's gone even though he's the best player on the team and all that. Like, tremendous. That's culture right there. You want to know what culture is. That's the kind of culture, you know, teams are trying to strive for right there.


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[Assistant] Oh, oh, they stopped that. Oh, Derrick, you know, like I've said, I've said this a few times. Oh, Derrick Henry and the Titans are coming to town last year in the ASC Championship. Oh, that's right. He couldn't rush for 80 yards in that game. You know, oh, Kyle Shanahan in the run game of the 749ers. Oh, that's right. You know.


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[Assistant] They couldn't get it going and then there they were at a 10 point lead and they couldn't get a first down to put the damn game away and do the stuff like that. Chiefs defense. You know, it is the overlooked thing. There's big people on the front of that Chiefs D line.


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[Assistant] That's what gives them a chance. And again, that's where, you know, I think you've heard me say a little lately, big people on defensive lines, I think is gonna start becoming a real and vogue thing in the league right now. The offenses are too versatile. So you gotta have a defensive line that can hold the run down by itself a little bit and not always have to put safeties and extra people in the box that way. And they have that.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Baker Mayfield's the guy. There's, you know, there's no doubt he's answered that question. I think we were all, one, a little too quick to question that to begin with.


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[Assistant] You know, for a guy that was in his third office, a coordinator in three years and all those type of things, but either way, that doesn't even matter anymore. I mean, what we saw him do really the second half of the year and to like, you know, to what you're saying where, okay, I, yeah, yeah, you're right. People were starting to Jared golf thing, all that.


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[Assistant] Baker Mayfield, as we saw the last like five, six weeks, he can make so many plays by himself. Or throws, like last night, where you sit there and go,


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[Assistant] He can't, he's coming out of a play action fake and he's firing.


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[Assistant] And then he throws the ball and you're like, whoa, what a throw. That was, there were some people around there. And there's a 20 yard in-cut in between, you know, a safety who's driving down on it and a corner who's closing on it. And you just go, that's just, that's, that's just a great arm talent. There's no other way to say that.


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[Assistant] He is in a system that fits him. The team, everything. Kevin Stefanski got it all turned around. The Browns should be so happy with where they are, where they're going, what direction. They need a few more studs on defense, like you said.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's all it is. It's really, it's two or three players on the defensive side of the ball. They drafted, uh, they got hurt. Uh, the D-Tackle from Missouri got hit third round, but they drafted the safety, Grant Delpit, who got hurt in the second round. Right. Right. Right in the beginning of the year. Right in the beginning of the year. So that'll help out, but yeah, they need a few


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[Assistant] They need another stud front seven football player, another, like a, and then probably a linebacker. That's the other thing they're missing. Listen, they're going to run this Seattle defense. They need their Bobby Wagner, their KJ Wright, their Fred Warner, Joe Woods came from San Francisco. They need that type of guy. But man, yes, Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Great year by them, but the point is, Kansas City, them getting their toughness, they were the better team on the field. That's why I'm glad they won the game.


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[Assistant] So, so I ask you this in all seriousness, I know I get fired up about these conversations, it's not per- like, so what the fuck is the defense supposed to do there?


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[Assistant] So are we just, are we getting to the point in football now where guys are gonna dive for the corner and there's gonna be somebody close and we just gotta stop and go, go ahead. There's nothing you can do at that point. There's no way the head is not gonna be involved. No one's gonna dive and then curl up into a cannonball and try to make it happen that way. Hold on, I unclipped myself.


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[Assistant] Okay, I don't know. See, this is where we gotta stop with the ifs, buts, and candies, and nuts. Yeah. I don't know. You know, great. We wear helmets. I know. You know, his job is to not let the guy in the end zone. Right.


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[Assistant] He's in a tough spot there. He's not trying to lead with his head. He's not going, I'm trying to. He's just trying to cut the guy off with his body, so hopefully he knocks him out of bounds before he gets there.


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[Assistant] I just don't know how any play like that's ever going to be stopped in the future of football. There's going to be some contact with the head. It's just, it's going to happen a little bit and it's just hard to avoid. Speaking of changes in football.


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[Assistant] That is the field to play. That is being fought for, for who owns that field to play. The end zone is one team's property. You say everything changes once you get to the end zone. Yeaah. The one team, everything changes in the end zone. I do agree with that. They're defending that. If you cross the ball with the ball in your hand into their end zone, it's a touchdown.


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[Assistant] It's the only point, exactly right. You punt the ball and it goes out of the bounds, it's a touchback. You punt the ball, you kick the ball and it goes out of the back in the end zone. It's a touchback. To, to say that the offensive just get the ball back there, I don't agree. This is not the field of play. This is not. This is in the end zone.


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[Assistant] So that's, that's their fault. I don't know. But, you know, also what people, so what we're saying is, too, everyone's gonna be cool. Because this is what, this will happen at some point if we just start to wipe this rule away.


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[Assistant] Reach out and see if you can reach and if not, just throw it out the side of the end zone there. Have the ball on your finger tip. I have no control. Okay, I'm about to go to the ground. Let me just throw it out there and then it's not a fumble and we get the ball back right there. That's great. It's everybody gets a blue ribbon.


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[Assistant] I understand that, but it's also very consistent with the touchback rules and everything like that. It's the same thing. So, I don't mind. If you want to change it to that, I can deal with that.


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[Assistant] But I, I can't sit there and go, it's crazy cause it's consistent with everything else it goes. And again, when nobody is possessing the ball and the ball is free in somebody's end zone, it's the only part of the field that belongs to one team. One team has one end zone and the other team has the other end zone. The rest of it is all a fight for that field position.


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[Assistant] That's open field. So if nobody possessed the ball and the ball rolls out of bounds at the 44 yard line, okay, that was open field. But in this territory, you've lost the ball and now no one's recovered it in our area that's our area. No, we get the ball back. That's the way that is. I, I, I will never back down from that.


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[Assistant] Without a doubt. Everybody's crying about it today. It's gonna get changed. Nobody wants to see defense anymore. It's everybody wants a 74-73 game.


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[Assistant] And, oh, let's give him the ball back so we can make sure I get my guy the fantasy points from the one he was supposed to score there. I want us of another chance. And that's where I just go, it's bullshit. I don't, I won't buy that.


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[Assistant] I don't even think they should have changed it from the old rule. You were okay with that one. They got million dollar defensive players, and now they're like, ooh defense, if you don't stop them, don't worry, we get one more chance.


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[Assistant] I do like them to stay within a color code though. I don't want to see like a team that's, you know, silver and blue and they're wearing, yeah, purple. Right, I don't like that.


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[Assistant] So true. I mean, next-gen stats has a chip in the ball and everybody's got a chip and we can see everybody doing everything. Right. Except we're gonna rely on the 68-year-old referee who was 12 yards behind where the ball was and now he's just gonna randomly put his foot somewhere to spot it.