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[Assistant] Uh, over under six and a half, the under is minus 150. Uh, I mean, obviously if you're betting that you don't necessarily want to, like if you're betting the Trevor Lawrence over passing touchdowns, you gotta be a little careful about betting the over on Travis ET and rushing touchdowns because you know, they're going to cannibalize each other a bit there, but, um,


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[Assistant] Look, person, I'll be honest, that's a cool hat. Not as cool as the class.


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[Assistant] Yeah, let's go, if the question is what did I feel when the injury happened, I was at, uh, what is, what's the logo for infinity, that little sideways, uh, I was at like 7 billion, uh, that was where my concern was when Joe Burrow went down, because it did, it looked like an ugly injury, it looked like it might have been an Achilles,


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[Assistant] Thank God it's a calf strain. Uh, and you know, we've talked about this before on the podcast that look, Joe Burrow has dealt with, this is going to be the fourth straight season where he's not going to have a training camp. He's used to this. Um, so as far as the overall season, I am not concerned just cause we've seen him.


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[Assistant] On Wednesday, so clearly he had a little bit of discomfort there going into practice. Cause if you're a quarterback, you don't just randomly wear compression sleeves on your leg out of the blue. And so Zach Taylor's like, or at Borough, I'm sure had to say it, but basically saying, you know what? I'm going to put this sleeve on. I'm going to go out and practice. Oh look. And then I injure the calf that had the compression sleeve on. So.


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[Assistant] If burrow takes a single practice nap in the month of August. So maybe you see like some QB drills, but as far as 11 on 11 padded drills, seven on seven, I do not think we will see burrow do any of that in the entire month and that they won't really put them out there until they start ramping up for those week one practices and getting ready for the brand.


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[Assistant] When you have your first two games against the Browns and the Ravens, Burrow has historically struggled against the Browns one and four. The Bayles really struggled with divisional opponents, even with Burrow, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, having the Browns and the Ravens out of the gate would have been concerning a little. I'm not even so sure about the division bet. I mean, if they're slow first two or three games and you lose two divisional games out of the gate, that's trouble.


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[Assistant] But, I feel completely comfortable, I would still take the, uh, win the AFC bet, win the Super Bowl bet, uh, but man, over.


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[Assistant] At 11 and a half I would not have. I love it at 10 and a half. And I would probably be a little iffy on winning the division.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think Sean Payton makes these comments unless he actually thinks this team is going to be good. And I think one of the comments that got kind of glossed over was that he said he's going to be pissed if this team doesn't make the playoffs. Like that's how confident.


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[Assistant] He is, and if they do make the playoffs, that completely validates his point that Nathaniel Hackett has no idea what he's doing. And the thing is, it was weird to hear an NFL head coach say this, but this is stuff that everyone in the country was writing when Nathaniel Hackett got fired last year. Hey, look, this guy can't coach. He has no idea what he's doing. And it was weird obviously to hear a head coach regurgitate that.


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[Assistant] Uh, and as Brenton just said, an even weirder part here was that Peyton threw his front office under the bus. I mean, that was to me the weirdest part. Look, you want to say Hackett was horrible last year? I don't know why that's a big deal because he was. I mean, the way he said it, probably he went a little bit overboard.


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[Assistant] But you can't sit there and say, hey, look, it wasn't completely Russell Wilson's fault. It was the head coach's fault. It was the general manager's fault and it was the president of the team's fault. Well, guess what? The general manager is still there. Uh, the president of the team.


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[Assistant] Man, that is not what you wanna do, uh, your first six months in the building. So I thought that was the most fascinating part of his comments.


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[Assistant] Oh look, you wouldn't start me cause you had Brett Favre. I won a Superbowl in 2010. Oh look, you draft Jordan Love. I win.


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[Assistant] Two straight MVPs. Oh, now Sean Payton is saying my offensive coordinator sucks and that the whole team is washed up and you're making us a laughing stock of the league. Well, guess what? We're going to beat you 49 to 7 in week 5. Aaron Rodgers is not the guy you want to make mad.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Broncos, eight and a half. I think Champagne get them the nine. I think that you look at what they did last season and we keep talking about how bad they were and bad for the Broncos. I mean.


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[Assistant] They still won a few games, so it's not like they were...


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[Assistant] Uh, and I think they can absolutely do it. I think this team can get to 9 and 8. I think it will be close. And, you know, you look at the numbers right there with the minus 115, minus 105. There's not a lot of juice either way. It's almost even. Uh, so.


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[Assistant] I would lean over, but man, I got burnt so hard by the Broncos last season that you can't trust my take on them.


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[Assistant] Definitely dicey. And you look at the thing with the Jets though is before they get to that Broncos game, they have to play the Bills, they have to play the Cowboys, they have to play the Chiefs, they have to play the Patriots, so they have a rough


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[Assistant] But I would probably feel more comfortable betting them to make the playoffs versus betting the over, but I do think they do get the 10 wins.


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[Assistant] I did the lions with old Ryan Wilson. We hadn't seen each other in three years. He commented on how many more gray hairs I had. It was a great time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is a weird situation to me because you had Jonathan Taylor saying back kind of in April, May, and June, he made it known he wanted a new contract.


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[Assistant] He also said at one point that he wanted to be a cult for life. That means for the rest of his life, he wants to be an Indianapolis cult. Uh, and I think that's probably out the window now. And it seems like Jim Ursay is being divisive on purpose for him to tweet out and say, Hey, look, running backs.


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[Assistant] No, this thing, all the poop hit the fan after they met on the bus. This thing got even worse and it is amazing that we've gotten this far, uh,


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[Assistant] Cause I can't see Ursay changing his tone. He's the kind of stubborn guy that says, look, we're not training you. We're not training. Well, somebody offers me five first round picks. You're stuck here, Jonathan.


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[Assistant] And I can't imagine, the Colts have all the leverage. I feel like Taylor has to play. And if he is dealing with a back injury, then they'll throw him on NFI less that he won't get paid. And then this whole situation will become a bigger disaster. So this thing is messed up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, so I, I think Ursay's in the top five. Jerry Jones is absolutely in the top five. And I hope this isn't Brinson's answer. This might sound a little strange, but I'm gonna throw Mark Davis in there. I mean,


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[Assistant] Well real quick, somewhere someone has a picture of that. Those are some of the things we don't tweet out with Prisco eating the pizza with Mark Davis.


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[Assistant] But also, Jim Ursay, you're in bed by 2.30 a.m. with Jim Ursay because everyone's passed out. With Jed York, you're going all night.


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[Assistant] But also, you wanna go on the wildest ride that has the lowest percentage of you ending up dead. So you have to combine those two things. Yes. And so...


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[Assistant] Yeah, and if they don't have Jonathan Taylor out there in week one, and Zach Moss obviously just broke his arm, he might not be out there in week one. So not only do you have a rookie quarterback, you could have a rookie running back, uh, back there. And so, uh, yeah, I don't trust the Colts at all. I'm actually surprised that their odds are above Houston's.


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[Assistant] Uhm, man, the team I like the most continues to be, before they signed Yohandre Hopkins, it was the Titans. And now they have them. It is even more the Titans. And at plus 340, man, get me away from the Colts. I want to be as far away from the Colts as possible and as close to Tennessee as possible, which is fitting since I live here in Tennessee. Give me the Titans guys. Give me them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the other thing with the Dolphins, I agree with you, Prince. I don't think the Jalen Ramsey injury is going to have, like obviously if he's in, that makes their defense a lot better.


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[Assistant] But they had an average defense last year, they still went nine and eight and they didn't have Jalen Ramsey last year and they still went nine and eight. And so I think that they can still get the type of play they got last season. Uh, and then when Jalen Ramsey does get back on the field, whether that's in December or he beats his


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[Assistant] Come back by a month and somehow gets back by November, uh, then that's gonna make them better, but until then, I think I agree with you that I do think the defense will be better, and I...


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[Assistant] Don't think they'll win the division, so I think we're on the same boat here. Or maybe we're in the same canoe, kind of paddling.


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[Assistant] You're kinda getting juice with the Niners because no one knows who their quarterback is gonna be. I don't think it's gonna be Trey Lance. It's either gonna be Brock Purdy or Sam Darnold with Brock Purdy obviously being the huge favorite as long as his arm can withstand training camp.


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[Assistant] Uh, and if you put him back out there, I mean, this is a good team. So I, I mean, I like the 49ers to win the division. I like them to maybe win the NFC. I don't like them in Super Bowl because I like the Bengals, but it just seems like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I somewhat agree with that, but they do have a month to kind of get that figured out, and the Seahawks have proven they can kind of plug and play running back, so I think they'll be okay at least in week one.


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[Assistant] And this year, uh, the thing is sold out. It's crazy down there. You're the commanders. You get a home game in week one against the worst team in football, the Arizona Cardinals. Fans are going to be fired up. That game's probably going to be sold out. And I just think the commanders come out and roll Arizona by three touchdowns just because they got the Dan Snyder monkey off their shoulders and they're just going.


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[Assistant] They're going to want to squash the Cardinals. I would go with the commanders being sold.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna go that far because he does have a yacht that is moored in southern France and I would be more happy to hang out on a yacht in the French Riviera. So I'm not gonna say no to that. I'm not gonna say no.


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[Assistant] Then that blows up anything you thought you knew about what they were going to do at running back. Because look, Belichick, I hate Thursday thing.


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[Assistant] I hate the NFL. It is drafting a Patriots running back in fantasy because you have no idea who's going to play. They do whatever they want. Their rotation has no rhyme or reason to it. Just when you think they're going to stick with someone. Hey, look, maybe they'll go with Ramon J Stevenson because he has two straight games for a hundred yards.


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[Assistant] They'll sign Zeke and let him start the next game. Cause they do crazy things like that. So I think as far as any type of prop goes, I like...


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[Assistant] I would look at the Rams just because look, Sony, Michelle looked like he was getting the backup there and we know cam makers is going to be the, the starter. I mean, they are last year he wanted to be traded. Now it's his time.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I love anything, any prop with CamMakers, I would probably take the over rushing yards, take the over anything, just give me all the CamMakers props.


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[Assistant] We had six rushing touchdowns during that postseason run. That's the second most by any running back in a postseason in NFL history.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I absolutely think there's a world of opportunities available to them now that just never were under Greg Roman. How quickly they get there I think really is the key question.


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[Assistant] He's had issues in season and off season from a health standpoint, uhm, really since early into his tenure with the team. Uhm, you know, we'll see about a Ronnie Stanley who his career looked in jeopardy. He comes back.


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[Assistant] Greg Roman had no screen game. I mean, J.K. Dobbins had two red zone targets last year and that was it for the entire running back core. You're going to see that change. You can see it just being out there doing OTAs. They're going to be a much better football team passing horizontally.


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[Assistant] Well look, I think OBJ did a hell of a job, uhm, in getting the contract he did. I mean, the reality is it's a 15 million dollar deal, and if he's healthy at all, the incentives are reachable.


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[Assistant] I don't think for them, uhm, and health obviously. We don't know how that's going to play out, but, uh,


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[Assistant] I wonder if, if Todd Monkin does a little bit and seeing him in more jet sweeps and more pitch plays and involved in some interesting run looks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they've got some interesting pieces here.


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[Assistant] Yes, I think again, second half of the season is where I'm kinda looking to see what's the division of labor there, who's got the arrow pointed up, who's been able to stay healthy, you know, who looks like they're uhm, someone who Monk is starting to favor a little bit.


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[Assistant] I think there's a lot of questions here, uh, and, and, you know, if the offense can hit the ground running and again, all that.


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[Assistant] To Chuck Smith, who they brought in, you know, long time, um, defensive line, pass rush guru. He ran his camps for years. He's now coaching with the Ravens. You, you listen to him talk about a job though. He's like,


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[Assistant] Dunlap, there's dudes on the street, uhm, I think they could use that old head.


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[Assistant] Collectively can they get it done? Probably. Uhm, they did last year. Is Patrick Queen going to be set loose to see ball chase ball?


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[Assistant] There's problems, there's questions about the D line, and there's big questions about secondary. Outside of Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Williams, there's not a whole lot of there there, proven commodities. Kyle Hamilton might become that. I think Kyle Hamilton's a big nip.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and if injuries do crop up, I worry about their depth in some critical areas. In terms of the division, I think the Bengals are the best team. Uhm, the way I would play this is I'd shop around a little bit, I'd get plus 350 Bengals to win the division, Ravens to finish second. I do believe they're


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[Assistant] You could make the case for all these teams being in the playoffs, but I do believe Cincinnati and Baltimore are the two best teams on paper in this division.


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[Assistant] And the fact that the Bengals, if the Bengals had lost a coordinator or something, you know, if Zach Taylor's now having to do, like, he's having to do multiple jobs, right, and he's having to scheme and call plays and run the sideline, like, okay.


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[Assistant] I would maybe buy some of the people who feel like it's time to start fading them. What they've kept there, you know, they lost a couple safeties, right? Other than that, the band's all back, and most importantly, their brain trust is all back. So uhm, I mean, I'd like them to win the division, I mean, plus 125, not a ton of value there. But yeaah, I'd play Bengals to win, Ravens to finish second.


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[Assistant] But this is, this is the best cast he's had around him in a long time. He had to break free of the shackles of Greg Roman. I'm giving Greg Roman a ton of credit for reinventing this thing.


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[Assistant] If he just really leans into the fact that let me toss it off the daubons and let him do the work. Let me dump it down the flowers and let him do the work. I don't have to take as many collisions. I don't have to do it myself.


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[Assistant] But if you think, you know, the Bengals aren't quite what some other people think, right? And if you're buying that Josh Allen and the Bills are in a downward cycle, uhm,


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[Assistant] It's gotta happen this year. Uhm, if they didn't have as many pieces as they have, I might like it a little bit more.


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[Assistant] Hey Chelsea. Anytime guys, thank you.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the pick six podcast and our all 32 series.


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[Assistant] The series we catch you up with insiders to give you the need to know information on each and every NFL team. Today we're talking the Las Vegas Raiders with ESPN radio host and host of Locked On Raiders podcast, Q Myers. Q, thank you so much for joining us. Fresh off a Hawaiian vacation. We are your first stop and we are grateful.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you, I don't know if you can see over my shoulder here, but there is a Jimmy G bobblehead. I am a 49ers fan. So everything that you just said about who's going to be under center, is he going to be healthy? I have dealt with these questions.


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[Assistant] He is on my shoulder. Uh, Q, alright, let's talk running back here and Josh Jacobs. Any chance that the Raiders would consider rescinding his franchise tag or of Jacobs actually holding out?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, one of the biggest things obviously is Derek Carr and Jimmy G in the offense, that kind of changing of the guard, but also Darren Waller is now a New York giant. This tight end room.


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[Assistant] Is really interesting because you added Michael Meyer, uh, who went second round in the draft. A lot of people thought he was a first rounder, so that was a really good pick by you guys. You got OJ Howard and Austin Hooper, uh, in free agency. All of those guys have significant


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[Assistant] Significant background in run heavy offense games. Does it seem like


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[Assistant] More running of the football, uh, for, for the Raiders in 2023.


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[Assistant] Yeah. All right. Well, let's move on from the offense then because there's so many questions there and talk a little defense. Tyree Wilson is really the quintessential ceiling upside pass rusher. Is he viewed as an impact guy or more of a Chandler Jones replacement if the team does move on from his contract after the season?


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[Assistant] Alright Q, let's uh, let's gamble on this a little bit. The books have the win total for the Raiders at seven and a half. Win total in division. We just talked about how tough this division is. Two and a half. The under is heavily juiced for both of those. Can the Raiders this year get eight wins and three wins in division?


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[Assistant] Jimmy Garoppolo won 70% of his starts. It is the highest among active quarterbacks, but obviously the caveat there of, of his starts, how many starts of those happen. So yes, I understand everything he is saying.


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[Assistant] One more question, Q. Uh, we've, we've surmised that the Raiders are probably not getting to the Super Bowl, but the Super Bowl is in Las Vegas this year. It's a CVS Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] How excited is Sin City? Brinson and I are, uh, are hoping to go.


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[Assistant] Hopefully CVS execs are not listening to this because Brinson is going to the Super Bowl. Q Myers, thank you so much for your time today. We really appreciate you keeping us up to date on everything. Raiders, stay tuned for more. All 32 with daily drops on your podcast feed and also on YouTube. Remember to like, comment, subscribe on this podcast and we'll see you next time. Thanks Q.


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[Assistant] But you got the, I guess you, I guess you lost.


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[Assistant] It hasn't been good. You lost in the finals. The two first sports teams lost in the finals. You had two final four teams. The only team that won anything, the only person that won anything in South Florida is Brooks Koepka.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah. I guess if they're your teams and you're in south Florida, you're like, yeah, actually that would be awesome. That would be pretty awesome.


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[Assistant] That's, I was going to say that's interesting because the dolphins are like...


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[Assistant] People in Boston even, you know, it's like they love, they love, they love all their sports teams, but it's like, you know, like it feels like the actually maybe I don't know if it's the Celtics or the Sox, whatever it is, but like in Miami in particular, it's the Dolphins are wanting like number one with a bullet and you point out 25 to one with the Super Bowl to us actually 22 to one to win MVP. And that brings me to my first question, which is what's more likely here? A two, it takes a leap situation.


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[Assistant] What you see from this team, you know, and so far in the off season or to, uh, doesn't make it through the season healthy. And I know that's hard to predict, but I think from, from like, from my vantage point, from the 30,000 viewpoint, like, you know, outside of that, the South Florida bubble, it's man, it's like, it's tough to buy in on the dolphins because you just


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[Assistant] He did play 15 games in his sophomore year. I had to look it up too. I couldn't remember either. So it's good. It's a good question.


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[Assistant] So, from that perspective too, if you were thinking, or maybe like, we saw the player props for like Moe Sturt and Jeff Wilson drop by 50 yards when Dava Cook got released out of concern. So you're thinking now is the time you would buy.


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[Assistant] On the, buy, buy low on the Dolphins current stable of running backs.


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[Assistant] Given that the Dalvin Cook rumors are sort of suppressing where their value, but whether you're doing like best ball or whether you're doing, you know, whether you're betting on props.


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[Assistant] What about the offensive line? That's like the Achilles heel. I mean, every, I mean, like you mentioned, like better pass pro. I mean, I think you take a look at this Dolphins defense. You take, I mean, we can talk about the defense to say you take a look at this Dolphins roster as a whole, but like it's a really good roster. It's just a question about the quarterback health and then the offensive line.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And I mean, man, do you take a look at like Vic Fangio's performance as a, you know, just looking at the yards or the points scored from, I mean, it's, he's just littered as a defensive coordinator with, with high, you know, strong performing defenses. You add in Ramsey who, you know, I think, um,


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[Assistant] We, but I think people are listening to this. They will have read Pete briskers top 100 and it's, you'll be surprised at where Jalen Ramsey is located. Oh, tell me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, I do what, uh, we'll take a break. We come back. We'll talk some gambling next.


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[Assistant] So Dolphins odds 25 to one to win the super bowl. You can't possibly think that's a good number Beasley.


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[Assistant] So that's actually interesting too, because they're three to one to win the division.


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[Assistant] I think you'd probably rather take over 11 and a half three to one.


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[Assistant] Versus win the division of three to one, because just given the teams that are involved here, it seems very unlikely that somebody wins the division with 10 or 11 wins, right? Like, don't you think it's going to be, I mean, you can beat each other up, you can go both ways, I guess.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, to that point, just imagine if this happened in an NFL game where, you know, sometimes we'll see the owners on the sideline, Gary Jones, Brady, say Brady takes a hard hit at the sideline, gets up and kind of gives Jerry a shove.


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[Assistant] Brady's probably not going to face a suspension, but if you put, say, Antonio Brown in that situation, he's going to be suspended for five years. Uh, he's done with football, even though he's already done with football. So I think it absolutely depends. Character plays a huge part in situations like this.


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[Assistant] Man, pushing an owner is crazy. This is the NBA is going turning in WWE. It's like Stone Cold and Vince McMahon right there.


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[Assistant] Real quick, funny he said, set your guy up for success, Katie, just because that directly leads into what I'm about to say, and that is, the Colts offensive line, you have got to upgrade, you've got to do something because you're not setting your guy up for success if he's back there getting mauled, and that might happen.


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[Assistant] You know, the Colts invested a lot of money in their offensive line in the years prior, but that line just wasn't good last season. And then they go into the draft.


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[Assistant] Or make the offensive line better at some point between now and the start of the season.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, and you consider the fact that he's likely going to be the starter


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[Assistant] In week one that, uh, you know, rookie of the year goes to quarterbacks, it seems at least 50% of the time. We've seen it two of the past four years with Kyler Murray and Justin Herbert. So, uh, and at nine to one, woof. Yeah. And if the offensive line does hold up, what if 2022 was an anomaly and this, the unit all of a sudden looks better.


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[Assistant] Ben Richards could tear it up. So yeaah, 9 to 1, I would definitely sprinkle some on that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then you look at the rest of their schedule and they get to play the NFC South?


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[Assistant] Which, uh, if I got to pick the division I had to face in the other conference and I'm an AFC team, I would a hundred percent pick the NFC South because those all feel like winnable games, even if you didn't have a great season last year, like the Colts.


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[Assistant] Uh, and they went 1-4-1 in their own division last year. I feel like they can improve upon that. You win two or three games in your division, and then you only need to win four games outside of the division to get over six and a half. So yeaah, it does feel like the over, I'd probably lean that, but ehh.


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[Assistant] And, and that is, puts a lot of pressure on Will Anderson. And, and you know what?


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[Assistant] I like your points, but I'm going to go to the other side of the ball with my, uh, kind of question, what the Texans need to do. Now the draft is over and that is, I feel like they need to add some receiving help for CJ Stroud. I mean you're talking about a team that's going into the season with


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[Assistant] Robert Woods as their number one receiver and nothing gets Robert Woods. I mean, but he, he 31 years old.


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[Assistant] He hasn't got over 55 catches in either of the past two seasons.


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[Assistant] And so you're not giving CJ Straub a lot of great targets to throw, throw to. And we're talking about a team that has a decent offensive line. Uh, you will get the running backs, Damien Pierce, Devin Singletary, uh, even their tight end group. They just signed Dalton Schultz. So I mean, they have some good talent. It's just that.


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[Assistant] It feels like it's lacking at receiver. So you're throwing a rookie quarterback in there. You just want to make sure you have guys that he trusts and that he can throw to. So.


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[Assistant] I think if they could figure out some way to get a veteran in there, somebody a little more, uh, with a better resume, I don't know, but it just feels like they need to upgrade at receiver before the start of the season.


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[Assistant] I mean, there are guys out there Jarvis Landry is out there. I don't know if you want to kick the tires on Kenny Galladay. This is probably something where you wait till training camp goes. Maybe you call up someone and see if you can make a trade. Uh, because


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[Assistant] Maybe that's why they didn't make a move or maybe they should have been more, uh, pressing about this in free agency because once you get to May, uh, you know, that's not the time you need to be making these decisions, but clearly the Texans waited. Maybe they want to see who their quarterback was going to be. Maybe wanted to see how.


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[Assistant] This maybe can be something you don't have to worry about until trading camp, but unless someone comes out and really shines, then you start going into the season and it's something you worry about.


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[Assistant] Uh, and, you know, you have Witherspoon, Forbes, and Gonzales, who all have about the same odds. I think, uh, Gonzales and Witherspoon are 10 to 1, and Mayo-Forbes is 15 to 1. Uh, so, I would just go for all the corners, and, and hope the corner wins it, wins it just like, uh, Saas-Kartner did in 2022.


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[Assistant] I think they need to figure out something on the defensive side of the ball. You look at kind of what their issues are right now and I would say it's probably rushing the passer and their cornerbacks and their secondary.


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[Assistant] Uh, probably could stand to be improved, and you look at what they did in the draft, uh, first round, offensive player, then went with the tackle.


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[Assistant] Second round, offensive player, tight end. Third round, offensive player, went with a running back. So you look at what kind of their biggest needs were and they didn't really touch on any of them in those first three rounds. So I thought that was a little bit surprising because when you look at that defense,


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[Assistant] You know, you don't have anybody else that's even near his skill set or his level, uh, after that. And then the secondary I think definitely needs a little bit of help. So those are two things that you're playing in a conference AFC where every team has a good quarterback. So you do not want to go into the season.


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[Assistant] Not a great pass brush and not a great secondary or you're gonna get diced up and you're gonna get eaten alive. So I'd be a little bit concerned about those two things if I'm Jacksonville and look for a way to improve them.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and at nine and eight, it felt like they had a good season, really the second half of the season. Uh, but man, getting to 11 wins to hit the over, I would not feel comfortable at all. So if I had to make a bet right now in Jacksonville, I think I would go under.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the Titans just have issues all over the place. I mean, Tyler, I think you hit the nail on the head with receivers because if you don't have any receivers, and who's the number one guy? Traylen Burks? I mean, like, sure, he can be, but if you don't have good receivers in there, teams are just gonna stuff the box.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I do think you could make a case for the offensive line, as Dom pointed out in the chat. You know, I don't know if Andre Dillard, who they signed from Philly, is your future at left tackle. I don't know that he's an upgrade over Taylor LaJuan.


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[Assistant] And then, you know what, but my actual problem is they need to get a kicker! Tennessee, get a kicker! They cut Randy Bullock earlier this offseason, uh, they signed an undrafted free agent, Trey Wolf, last week, and then they also have Caleb Shurek, who is on


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[Assistant] Uh, who they had signed undrafted last season. So basically the only two kickers on the roster right now are two undrafted guys who have zero regular season experience. And maybe the Titans are thinking, we're not going to play any close games. We're just going to get blown out a bunch. So we don't care who our kicker is.


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[Assistant] I don't know, but get a proven kicker on your roster. I don't know who's out there. Robbie Gold. Call Robbie Gold. I don't know.


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[Assistant] I think the flip side of that though is that you look at the fact that Tana Hill missed five games last season.


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[Assistant] The Titans still win 7-10, and if you look at the division, they win 3-3 in the division, even


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[Assistant] With all these struggles, I think with me, I just don't like betting against Mike Brable. You look at his history in Tennessee, uh, last season was the first time in his, what, he's been there five seasons. That was the first time he's had a losing record. So he's gone nine and seven, nine and seven, nine and seven, 11, five, 12 and five.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I think he can get them to eight wins. It's kinda like you don't want to bet against Mike Tomlin.


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[Assistant] Having a losing season because he's never had one. I don't like betting against Mike Brable, so I do think he can get this team to eight and nine.


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[Assistant] I would say they need to get their cornerback situation figured out. And look, obviously I have Marlon Humphrey, and I know they signed Rakyasen, but is he that guy that you want over there? Is he good enough to be?


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[Assistant] The other starting corner, I mean, you're talking about a team that had Marcus Peters, has had Marcus Peters, but has decided not to resign Marcus Peters. So I think that is a position you have to watch closely, uh, as you get into May and then as you get into training camp in July and just make sure you feel comfortable with him because


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[Assistant] You're in a division with Joe Burrow. If you have one bad corner, he's gonna dice you up. He'll throw for 400 or whatever yards like he did, uh, a couple years ago against them. So, uh, I think that's something just because of their division that, that the Ravens just, you know, keep a close eye on Roccasin and, and make sure he can handle that starting spot on defense.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know the one thing I will throw out about that four thousand, or six thousand, six thousand, six thousand.


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[Assistant] I don't even think he's ever totaled over 4500 yards when you combine rushing and passing. So, uh, 6000 just seems like a pipe dream that will never happen, uh, in Baltimore. Maybe someone else, maybe Patrick Mahomes does it, but I don't think Lamar Jackson will be the first person to do it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the Ravens can get there. They got the 10 wins this past season in 2022, even though Lamar was hurt for most of the season. Uh, they're usually a good football team. They've got a lot of talent. So yeah, I think I would take the over. I think they can get the double digits.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they definitely need to pay Joe Burrow, but Joe Burrow's not going anywhere, so that's not something I'm worried about. His play on the field's not going to be impacted by whether he gets the extension tomorrow in August or next offseason.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I think they'll be fine on the Joe Burrow front.


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[Assistant] Uh, the one thing I will say though, and it directly relates to Joe Burrow, is you can't let Joe Burrow get beat up, and that means kind of figuring out your offensive line. Right now,


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[Assistant] You have Jonah Williams penciled in at right tackle. Jonah Williams does not want to play right tackle. Jonah Williams does not want to play for your team as a right tackle. He wants to be traded. So you kind of need to sit down with him and be like, look, man.


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[Assistant] Are you in or are you out? Because if your, if your head's not in it, you can't be a right tackle in the NFL. You're going to get crushed. So it is.


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[Assistant] Figure it out, whether or not Jonah Williams is going to get traded. Cause if you are trading him, then you gotta go to plan B, whether that's lay out Collins, whether that's putting somebody else in it, right tackle.


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[Assistant] And it's just interesting what the Bengals have done because they have a career.


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[Assistant] Right tackle in Orlando Brown, who said, no, I'm a left tackle and then moved to left tackle and has been playing left tackle since after playing right tackle the first three years career. And then they have a career left tackle and Jonah Williams, who they were saying, no, you are now a right tackle. So their tackles are basically playing the opposite positions of where they started their NFL career.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I don't know if that always works out so well, so get the Jonah Williams situation figured out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and to that point, it is, you know, with Joe Mixon, it's all about the money, all about his cap hit.


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[Assistant] Uh, as you mentioned, 12.7, 12.8 million and they can free up a lot of money right away if they were to move on from him or they could say, Hey, look, Joe, we want to keep you, but you need to take a pay cut. So I do think something will happen on that front at some point probably before training camp.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you know, they did draft a running back, so they added depth with Chase Brown. They like Trevion Williams. Uh, so it will be interesting to see what they do at running back, but it does feel like running back and right tackle are the two things they just need to figure out before they get the training camp.


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[Assistant] I think Burrow will have a huge year. I just don't think he's ever gonna have like the best year compared to other quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] In the, you know, like Burrow might go out and throw for 5,000 yards, but Mahomes throws for 5,500 or Burrow throws 42 touchdowns, but Justin Herbert throws 44. I just feel like there's always going to be one person who will one up him in at least one of the statistical categories, which will kind of, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah. And that's really what they're gonna need to do is get hot out of the gate if they want to compete this year. And for that to happen, they're gonna need Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett!


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[Assistant] Uh, and, and Matt Canada to really be on the same page. And I think that one reason Matt Canada didn't get fired despite being just under constant fire all season last year. It was Matt Canada this, Matt Canada that, Sears offense can't do anything because of Matt Canada.


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[Assistant] And in the end, he keeps his job. And I think one of the reasons was because Kenny Pickett progressively got better as the season went on and you don't want to fire your rookie quarterback's offensive coordinator when your rookie quarterback is improving.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that improvement needs to continue. Kenny Pickett goes out and throws two or three interceptions in each of the Sealer's first three games.


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[Assistant] That's trouble. That makes Matt Canada look bad. That makes Kenny Pickett look bad. So I think that...


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[Assistant] The one thing here is that everyone on this offense has to get comfortable with Matt Canada, has to get comfortable with Kenny Pickett, uh, and if, if Matt Canada can kind of turn this into a success, then Mike Tomlin will look like a genius for deciding to hang onto him, uh, against what I think, against the wishes of most Steelers fans.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, if the Steelers were going to have a losing season, it really felt like it was going to happen last year. And the fact that he willed that team to nine wins. Yeaah, no more betting against Tomlin. I like the over here.


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[Assistant] I would say they need to kind of beef up their defensive depth. I mean, you're talking about, and we talked about a little bit with the Ravens and their cornerback situation and with the Browns and really we mentioned this Jacksonville too is with the Browns is pass rush behind Myles Garrett isn't great.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, your linebackers are all coming off of injuries and your secondary isn't very experienced.


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[Assistant] Put that all together and you're asking these guys to go against Joe Burrow twice a year against Patrick Mahomes against Justin Herbert against Aaron Rodgers against all these quarterbacks. That seems like a recipe for disaster. And then you don't even know if your offense can.


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[Assistant] Produce enough points that it might take to be in a shootout with these high-powered teams of the AFC. Uh, so it just feels like they've gotta figure out a way to make their defense better before they get to training camp before the season starts.


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[Assistant] Well on the flip side though is that you look at Deshaun Watson and you mention how bad he was last season.


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[Assistant] But as bad as he was, this team still went 3-3 with him as the starting quarterback. So if you, if he just improves a little bit, they do feel like a team that could win 9 or 10 games. I would probably go your guys' route right this second and maybe lean to the under, but man, this is one team that wouldn't surprise me at all.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think that if you're the Chiefs, you really don't have any huge concerns. You want to make sure Mahomes has chemistry with his receivers, which clearly is not a problem. He lost Tyree Kill and they go and won a Super Bowl. Now they lose their leading receiver from 2022, Juju Smith Schuster. Obviously Kelsey was the leader, but as far as the receiving position goes, it was


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[Assistant] Run a quick route. Mom's get you the ball. Boom. You fall down, get tackled for five yard gains.


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[Assistant] And then the offensive line, you know, they brought in, uh, Donovan Smith, probably playing left tackle, Jawan Taylor, right tackle. So you just want to build that chemistry. Cause you know,


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[Assistant] A lot of people just assume these guys will just come in, they're gonna be good, they're gonna play well, but when you bring in two new tackles, that leaves some question marks. You just gotta make sure the offensive line of the chemistry is there so that Bohomes isn't getting killed, cause that is the one way that the Chiefs season could go south, and by south that would be like 10 wins instead of 13.


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[Assistant] Uh, is, is if they have trouble protecting the home. So just offensive line chemistry is where I'd be if I'm the chiefs.


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[Assistant] Right, and I obviously agree with that. Look, they won the Super Bowl in 2019. We were having the same conversation. If any team can do it, it would be them, but we saw how difficult it is. They got back in the Super Bowl, but they got smoked.


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[Assistant] By the Buccaneers. And then, it just, the AFC is just so loaded. Like, I think the Chiefs are gonna win the division. They'll probably get back to the AFC Championship for the fifth straight year or whatever it is. But I, I do not think they will win two straight Super.


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[Assistant] Well, Jimmy Garoppolo has apparently made a glass because no one gets injured more than Katie's crush. And so if you have a quarterback who has a tendency to get injured, I want to make sure I have some solid protection in front of them. And I'm not sure the Raiders have that. I feel like they could have at least tried this off season.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I'm not sure where you go because you can't really trade teams don't want to give up their offensive line talent. There's not a ton of free agents out there.


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[Assistant] I think that's a spot you gotta figure out is make sure you can protect Jimmy Garoppolo.


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[Assistant] Imagine the Raiders with Brian Hoyer against Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert. Like no, your season's definitely over like you guys said.


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[Assistant] Well, the thing about the Chargers is like, why is one of your most dynamic offensive players coming out and complaining and demanding trades? Like, keep the guy happy. I mean, this isn't a situation where, and we're talking about Austin Eckler and making his trade demand, is that


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[Assistant] He is a very dynamic player. This isn't a guy who you're just handing the ball off to. He's also Justin Herbert's, Herbert's safety valve. I mean, he's a guy who was catching, he caught over 100 passes last year. He's a huge part of your offense. And so I do think this is the one thing.


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[Assistant] They need to figure out before training camp is, are we tied to Austin Eckler? Is he going to be a part of our future? Are we going to, he's going to be much happier if you give him an extension. And if you don't, then he's just going to be, you know, you have this disgruntled guy in your backfield. So, uh, figure out if Justin or Austin Eckler is part of your longterm future.


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[Assistant] I do think, obviously, as a Bengals fan, you want Borough to sign first just because if Herbert signs first, it's gonna cost the Bengals more money.


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[Assistant] But that being said, I think there is more pressure on the chargers.


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[Assistant] Now you're the chargers, you have to somehow justify giving 54 million a year to a guy who doesn't have any playoff wins.


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[Assistant] You know, Burrow has a track record being the two straight AFC title games, being to a Super Bowl. So if you're the Bengals, you don't mind writing this check at all. And obviously the Chargers don't mind either, but there is that little thing nagging in the back of your head that says, ughh, he just doesn't want to play off game and it's kind of...


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[Assistant] Played so great in a few of these clutch situations. Uh, so yeaah, if I'm the Chargers, I want to get the deal done before Burrow gets some of the bangles.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, that would be my number one priority, except that you gotta make sure there's a quarterback who can throw a football to the wide receivers. Otherwise, the wide receivers don't matter.


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[Assistant] Well, that is true. They can throw Jared in there if, uh, the rust bus can't get back on the street.


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[Assistant] And so to me, that's the one thing that has to happen. If this means Russell Wilson's having sleepovers at Sean Payton's house every night between now and the start of training camp, whatever has to happen for Sean Payton to help Russell Wilson to fix Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] To make Russell Wilson look like the quarterback he was a few years ago, that has to happen because the Broncos just aren't going to be competitive unless Russell Wilson figures out


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[Assistant] How to turn things around. I mean, the biggest headline we saw from Russell Wilson's top season was crashing a golf cart. You know, and so what we want to see is, hey, look, no, now he's throwing touchdown passes to his wide receivers. Now he's throwing, he's 300 yard game. So the


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[Assistant] Broncos have to keep their fingers crossed and Sean Payton, Sean Payton can fix Russell Wilson. I think that is their biggest issue right now.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I would probably wean under two. I think that Sean Payton, if Sean Payton goes eight and nine this season, that's a three win improvement. That, that makes him look good. And so I think really any win total over the five and 12 they have last year would be considered a success for Payton, uh, in his first year. So I'm going to take the under and say he goes eight and nine.


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[Assistant] I'm just gonna say maybe add a receiver, maybe add some receiving depth. I just feel like they really, Dave Davis is the most up and down guy. Just, he'll have these huge games, then he'll disappear for spurts, and so you just


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[Assistant] Stefan Diggs doesn't always have that help he needs from a number two guy. And so I feel like if the Bills need their passing game going,


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[Assistant] And they're clearly thinking about that because they did draft a tied in, uh, in Dalton Kincaid. They went out and got him in the first round and they also drafted a receiver in the fifth round. So, you know, it does seem like they said, Hey, we need to add some pass catchers. And so.


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[Assistant] It's just somebody needs to emerge behind Stefan Diggs that Josh Allen can trust. Trust.


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[Assistant] 4500, I think he hit that number in 2020, uh, with 16 games, so yeaah, I would, I would take the over.


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[Assistant] And he only played 16 games last year. If he had played 17 games because they had a cancel game, uh, he almost certainly hits the over last year.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, when you're talking about 2S Health, you need to keep him healthy by keeping him upright, so I just maybe...


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[Assistant] I don't know how big of an issue their offensive line is, but you just want to make sure you don't have a bunch of huge question marks and I do think they have a couple right now.


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[Assistant] Uh, whether that's at, uh, Austin Jackson's a right tackle, maybe a couple issues at right guard. And remember, she was tatted, so you don't want to have issues on the right side of your offensive line.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and again, when we talk about teams that have offensive line issues, it's not easy to upgrade those at this point in the off season or at any point between now and the beginning of the season. Uh, but if I'm the Dolphins, that's definitely a concern that's sticking in the back of my head knowing what kind of health issues my quarterback has had over the past couple of years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I absolutely agree. That was exactly what I was gonna mention. Maybe Bill Belichick needs to call up the Bengals and say, hey, look, uh, why don't you send Jonah Williams our way? We'll give you guys whatever you want.


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[Assistant] Mac Jones was under fire all last season. You can blame Matt Patricia, but it was Mac Jones on the field taking that heat.


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[Assistant] And, uh, everybody's screaming, this guy's regressing. He looks horrible, even though he had a defensive coordinator running his offense. And so you would think if you want Mac Jones of two years ago that you would help him.


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[Assistant] And helping him would be putting an offensive line around him. You can't just have this giant hole on the offensive line, especially at right tackle, as Tyler mentioned. And look, there's a reason Riley Reep is on his fourth team in four years. If he was a great offensive lineman, these teams would not be letting him walk. And he's played for the Vikings, the Bengals, the Bears, now for the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that definitely is an issue and something that the patrons need to figure out.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think they did take care of the ROI in the draft, and that actually is the huge issue here. They did draft...


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[Assistant] An offensive lineman in the second round, but I think when you look at what the Jets issues are, it is all on the offensive line. They still have a bunch of issues there.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're literally having Jett's offensive line drama this past weekend with Mackay Bechtin tweeting out that he's the left tackle, and Robert Salah saying like, yeah, no, you're not. You're gonna have to go out and earn it, buddy. We're not giving you the left tackle position. And that right there is a total disconnect.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we don't trust you right now to put you in front of our prize quarterback. So they absolutely have to get the offensive line figured out. And even a lot of the guys that were already on the offensive line, Elijah Barrett Tucker,


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[Assistant] Uh, Duane Brown, a couple of these guys are, they're coming off serious injuries from last season. So you don't know what they're going to look like in 2023, plus the whole Mackay-Beckton thing. And so, you know, Aaron Rodgers is not going to be able to do anything if he's flat on his back the entire season. So they got to get the offensive line figured out.


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[Assistant] You might, I mean, Katie, I mean, I guess Katie, you are a super, I mean, like you and I are the new super friends, really. Like, Breach is still there and like, but Wilson, Wilson with his little diva ways, had to go, you have your own draft podcast. I'm tired of talking about the Draftford Prince. You can check out, by the way, Ryan Wilson's excellent podcast with Rick Spielman with the first pick, wherever you find your podcast.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, it's sort of like the Justice, it's like the Justice League or the Avengers with less superpowers and, uh, uh, less height. Sully isn't perfect. I would have, Sully is more than welcome to be a super friend. I just didn't know. Yeah. Okay. Congrats Sully on your promotions.


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[Assistant] There's uh, there's no, uh, no title and no pay raise whatsoever, but you, you're a super friend.


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[Assistant] Where he's like, look at us drinking water. That's Ant-Man. Okay. So the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Patriots, we're recording this in advance so people are aware, uhm, in the event. We're recording this on a Friday. You're listening to it early in the week. I think probably Tuesday.


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[Assistant] But just to be clear, if DeAndre Hopkins signs, we didn't know about it. If he signs at 4.30 on Tuesday, we'll probably come back and have to bug Sully again. But for right now, DeAndre Hopkins remains unsigned, but spent plenty of time with the Patriots. And I think I saw a report, um,


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[Assistant] From Jeff Howe of the athletic that the Patriots are actually really pursuing him even after he left Foxborough, but it's still like kind of locally based. Uh, what are you hearing on Hopkins? What do you think the timeline is? And how do you think this would offend? Do you think this would be a net benefit for the Patriots?


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[Assistant] What's the Tom Brady effect, really? I mean, like, remember like Ocho Cinco, Albert Hainsworth, Corey Dillon, I mean, Randy Moss was traded, but like, like,


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[Assistant] People were dying to go to New England and those are just some of the bigger name guys and they didn't all work out. But like, D'Andre Hopkins, you know, is the type of guy 10 years ago would have been like, look, I don't want any money. I just want to come and win.


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[Assistant] Do we think that the, where is the trust level with Bill Belichick and Mac Jones? I mean, that was, there was obviously a big thing coming out of the year when you had the.


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[Assistant] I think Tom Curran, um, a friend of the pod pointed out that, you know, he, he went and Mac Jones was like seeking outside counsel and you and I talked about this several times last year. So they were in the all season all bleed together, right? But like,


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[Assistant] You know, he, Mac Jones is going outside and trying to talk to people like, what do I do? Like, try to make the offense better. Which is, you know, it's the irony of it is like, that's, you know, he's trying to get better, but by going outside the Patriots.


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[Assistant] You know, the, the, the Patriot, the Patriot's way, he of course violated Bill Belichick's trust. Do we think there's a, is there a pathway where he rebuilds that? Was that overblown? And is, you know, cause he, he helped Bill O'Brien learn the Alabama offense.


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[Assistant] BoB got down there to Tuscaloosa. Like is this, is the Bill O'Brien, Bill Belichick, Mac Jones connection enough to really re like re solidify that trust level?


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[Assistant] Anyone other than Bill Belichick does that, and we're like, this is the worst. Andy Reid did this with Juan Castillo when he made him the, he's the defensive coordinator if he was the offensive line coach. And we're like, okay, Andy Reid's great. We're going to give him the benefit of the doubt. And it blew up. Only Belichick could get away with doing that crap.


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[Assistant] Interesting. Okay. I mean, I think, I mean, Romandro Stevenson looks like a, you know, a feature back, but if you, I think if you just sort of glance at the depth of it and you know, you could look at that as a possible concern, I think that's a very interesting note. People who are into, uh, best ball,


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[Assistant] Uh, on the tight ends real quick, I'll let Katie ask you about the defense. Um, I, cause I just, this just occurred to me. My old brain sometimes takes a while to get the cobwebs shook out, but I forgot that, um,


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[Assistant] I don't know why I forgot this. I just remember talking to Bill O'Brien in Indianapolis at the Super Bowl. Patriots, Giants, uh, when the, when the second time around when Eli Manning hit Mario Manningham. I'm sure you remember the pain in your childhood. I don't want to relive it. The point being is.


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[Assistant] That was the, that was sort of when they had Aaron Hernandez and you know, obviously things didn't work out off the field.


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[Assistant] R.I.P. what not, but like Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gorkowski were.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're an insane combination and Bill O'Brien really utilized him well in that offense. I mean, do we think that


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, can, can the Patriots sort of...


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[Assistant] I don't want to say like, I'm not, this is just like bring, I don't know where I'm trying to go here with this. I think, I think what I'm trying to say is like how to Hunter Henry and Mike Gusecki, can they be utilized in a similar fashion? They're not quite as chess PC. Like Gronk, Gronk and Hernandez were such a perfect compliment because you could move Hernandez all over and then Gronk was the ultimate red zone weapon. I just sort of wonder,


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[Assistant] Do we think this is enough to sort of replicate what they had before in their Bill O'Brien offense?


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[Assistant] That's fascinating. So, I mean, I was thinking about this when we were, you know, sort of crafting our questions for Patriots purposes. That's a lot of alliteration that I didn't mean to have. Uhm, thank you. That's it, I'm out of here.


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[Assistant] Is this the highest, that's the highest that Belichick's ever... Am I, am I missing on somebody obvious? Is this the highest he's ever drafted at a cornerback, right?


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[Assistant] And he, uh, he signed Gilmore to that big contract and then he traded for Rethus, right? Or did he trade with Rethus?


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[Assistant] To get like anyway, there's a channel of jokes. I'm pretty sure it's the highest seat ever drafted him. So it's like that to me is given his background in coaching.


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[Assistant] And how he's developed, you know, Malcolm Butler, um, you know, all these like, you know, later round cornerbacks and turn them into stars and then let them go. I think it's.


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[Assistant] To me, the expectations for Gonzalez specifically are, I don't think we're being talked about enough given who drafted him, how high he was drafted, and that roster that's already in place.


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[Assistant] So, uh, by the way, three of the top nine MVP candidates at Caesar's, the


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[Assistant] The quarterbacks in the Patriots division, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers are two a ton by lower, are in the top, are all in the top nine. That is crazy. And it's actually kind of interesting if this defense of the Patriots is that good,


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers and Tua Tonga, Tua, Tua Tonga Vailoa twice. And that's asking a lot because these guys are really good quarterbacks. Like that could flip everything on its head and it makes sort of makes, I think it makes Patrick Bahams and Joe Burrow. Like if you wanted to bet on the Patriots, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] would be to take those three guys out of your top nine and say, okay, who could, you know, the odds from a Holmes, the odds for burrow, the odds for a Hertz, Herbert Lawrence Lamar should be hired. Just, just a thought there. Um,


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[Assistant] Anything else catch your eye, Sully, in terms of, uh, Patriots? You are all over the Patriots.


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[Assistant] No dude, I don't know what to tell you. This offense is going to be dog crap.


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[Assistant] And it was, it was worse than you even projected. Uh, where's your sense of, cause I think you do a good job. Like, I mean, you're, you're, you got Patriots Superbowl things behind you. You know, you grew up a Pats fan, but I think you do a very good job as a journalist of, uh, of being objective when it comes to your expectations for this team. Like, what do you think about that wind turtle seven and a half?


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[Assistant] I only did coaches. I kind of, my brain erased the question and, and I only read coaches. So I'll go first since I have one for each of you.


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[Assistant] Uh, Katie, you are Mike McDaniel. You're the new up and comer.


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[Assistant] You are Kyle Shanahan. You think outside the box. You do really well, but you still have, you know, you haven't won that Super Bowl yet. You're still aiming to get the, uh, the top thing. Um, but you've been so consistently good throughout your career that, uh, you're beloved. Wow.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, it's funny that you said Wilson is Tomlin or McDermott because I was going to say Tomlin or Pete Carroll.


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[Assistant] All defensive coaches for whatever reason who have largely been successful for thinking kind of outside the box on their own side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Can you imagine if, uh, if Stingsberry is listening to this podcast right now, you just broke his heart. Confidence is gonna go way down. He lost his job. He's not universally attractive anymore. Nothing is going right for that guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think for instance that hits the nail on the head and I do think if the, if the,


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[Assistant] Vikings were able to trade him. A trade would have happened already because look, the, the thing that teams were waiting for was, hey, let's get through the draft. Let's see if we draft a running back. Let's see if we need a running back. Now teams have had a month to kind of assess their situation, figure out Daven Cooke is somebody they need.


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[Assistant] And no one is calling the Vikings, and then you look at his salary cap hit as Princeton mentioned, and I think Minnesota's gotta be thinking,


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're done. I mean, you don't change your Twitter header and take out your star running back unless you're planning on getting rid of that star running back.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it's like if, if you had a girlfriend or, or the significant other and they're like, are we broken up? And you're like, no, we're fine. But then you change your Facebook profile to you with another girl and your profile picture to you with the, and they're like, okay, okay, something's messed up here.


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[Assistant] So don't do it. So real quick to finish that thought though is that I think Dalton Cook gets cut. I think it happens at some point in June. I don't think there's any way he plays for the Vikings and as for Dino Hunter, uh, I think that


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[Assistant] It was smart for the Vikings to keep him. I mean, once they shipped off Zedaria Smith, it was pretty clear that, hey, Denil's, Denil Hunter's sticking around. We're probably going to give him more money because we cannot let him leave. We can't let the guy who had ten and a half sacks last season, uh, leave this defense when we don't have Zedaria Smith anymore. So I think that kind of cemented


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I think he doesn't want to play for the $4.9 million base salary that he deserves more than that. And so he's basically saying, hey, give me more money.


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[Assistant] I think it was Wilson. I am actually, I'm almost always high on the Seahawks. I thought they would win, I think seven or eight games last year. Uh, you know, I was shocked they made the playoffs, but I, Pete Carroll always just, John Schneider, the front office, like they make good decisions and the team always plays well. And so, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, obviously he played well for a good chunk of the year, but it was at the beginning of the season as we got toward the tail end of the season.


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[Assistant] He really started to regress, I mean his play got worse, uh, his accuracy went down.


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[Assistant] I think through the first 12 weeks he had like 9 or 10 games where his QB rating was over 100 and then over the final 5 weeks he only had 1 game where it was over 100 and you know we saw that they had a 3 game losing streak in there I think in December so it's just


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[Assistant] It's not like defenses have figured out Gino, but I think they have, defensive quitters have kind of figured out what he does best and how to stop it. And he doesn't have a huge arsenal like you might see from another quarterback. So I think Gino will be good this year again. I don't think he's going to be great. So I think the Seahawks, uh, you know, he's going to be a top


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[Assistant] 16 quarterback, but not top 10. So whatever you think that gets you as a Seahawks fan, uh, I don't think they win 10 games with Gino. Was Gino a top 10 quarterback last year? Uh, I mean, was he? Probably. I feel like most people would say yes. I think so.


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[Assistant] Well, real quick, if you go by ESPN's QBR, Gino had the 7th highest number, and if you just go by QBRating, Gino had the 5th highest number.


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[Assistant] How about we make the question, do you think he will be better than last season, worse than last season, or about the same?


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[Assistant] Well, and to Brynson's point, and you're naming all these amazing skill players to talk about BOSA and their defense.


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[Assistant] So if you're talking specifically about what the expectations should be for this team, I think it has to be at least one playoff win. Uh, you know, the last time we saw them on the field, they were blowing a 27, nothing to lead to Jacksonville. What? I mean, that's not fire.


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[Assistant] I mean, if this team doesn't get at least to the playoffs, I think Brandon Staley's gotta be on the hot seat. Maybe you think about moving on from him if they completely miss the playoffs. If they get to the playoffs and say they're favored by a touchdown and don't win the game, again, I think you have to, like,


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[Assistant] Has Staley reached a ceiling in two seasons? So I think that if you're Brandon Staley, you don't feel comfortable.


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[Assistant] If you don't want to play off game this season, the Chargers have a lot of talent.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I think that the front office has to want to see this team get the divisional round, which they have only done once.


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[Assistant] Uh, since 2014. So I think the expectations, if you're a Chargers fan, should be, at minimum, the divisional round of the playoffs.


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[Assistant] When I look at all these rookie wide receivers, I think that a lot of it has to do with what team you end up with. Obviously we saw, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, I think only four guys taken in the first round and, you know, even though, say,


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[Assistant] Jackson Smith and Njigma who might be the most talented and was the first receiver selected, he's going into an offense in Seattle where he might not put up the biggest numbers and therefore might not have the most successful rookie season. So I think if I had to pick one guy I like and one wild card,


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[Assistant] Uh, one guy I like is Quinton Johnson because he is going to the Chargers. First round pick. You have Keenan Allen and Mike Williams there. So automatically you're a guy who's probably going to get a lot of single coverage. Uh, Justin Herbert is a very good player.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. And so, I mean, that is an offense that is set up for a rookie to have a lot of success at wide receiver. So I could see him putting up some huge numbers and then I'm going to throw out a fourth round pick.


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[Assistant] In Charlie Jones, only cause the Bengals drafted him, and I think that you have


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[Assistant] Uh, kind of that fourth guy who could be a sneaky good player in the Bengals offense behind.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jamar Chase Teehiggins and Tyler Boyd, that, that guy that just no one's gonna pay attention to because you're so focused on the other three guys. Uhm, but obviously when you're the fourth guy, you're probably not getting as many balls as Johnson would as the third guy. So I think Quinton Johnson probably is the biggest rookie year out of the receivers we're taking.


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[Assistant] Except they've worn it the last two years. Except for the last two years. Garrett Wilson.


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[Assistant] No, not a lot. Before that, before Wilson and Chase, there was a giant gap. Uh, from 2010 to 2020, Odell was the only receiver.


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[Assistant] And also let's not forget that they changed the voting system last year where you can rank your candidates, uh, before 2022. You can only list one person on your ballot. Now you can list multiple people on your ballot. And Garrett Wilson didn't even get the most first place votes last year because Kenneth Walker got the most first place votes. Uh, but Wilson managed to win the award because he had more total points.


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[Assistant] Which is just, I cannot believe more of a controversy wasn't made of that. Just, Kenneth Walker got the most first place votes and did not win the award. Pretty crazy.


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[Assistant] I waited a second for suspense. I wanted to get in Katie's head.


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[Assistant] Well the Browns don't want em, it seems like anymore.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the issue here, I think, is part of why he's still a free agent. It's not, if Dalvin Cook gets released, now you're competing with Dalvin Cook to get signed. You're competing with Leonard Fournette to get signed. 2017 also!


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[Assistant] With Zeke Elliott to get signed. So there's just all these running backs out there.


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[Assistant] Well, uh, that's where I was going to go with the teams that are possible here is, you know, I think this person listed the Broncos because you have Gervonta Williams coming off, uh, his ACL injury. You don't know what his status is going to be for week one through the Broncos. You're hoping he's ready and, and cream hunt would offer some insurance. So.


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[Assistant] That would be not a crazy signing as long as he's willing to sign for, uh, you know, uh, uh, salary that the Broncos are willing to pay because they're not going to pay him $7 million to be the second or third running back if Javante Williams is healthy. The Bengals definitely would be an interesting landing spot. They did draft, uh,


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[Assistant] Drop and maybe that's what teams are seeing on film. Like, hey, this guy doesn't have that quick step anymore. Uh, and so, you know, we can kick the tires of someone else before we think about adding cream hunt.


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[Assistant] Oh god, get off the podcast right now and go bet $4,000.


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[Assistant] Or, you know what you could do if you want to bet Trevor Lawrence? You wait till after week two, when Jacksonville plays the Chiefs, and Mahomes outplays him, uh, and then Trevor Lawrence's odds drop to about 40 to 1, and Mahomes shoots up to plus 300. Now we're talking. And then you jump on that. But you know what? Look!


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[Assistant] They have Calvin Ridley back, and if you listen to Devonte Adams, I'm not sure if you...


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[Assistant] He said, look, this guy is awesome on film. He just hasn't like gotten a chance to really shine. You know, obviously he was with the Falcons.


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[Assistant] If Calvin Ridley looks like he did two years ago, and you know, you have Zay Jones and Christian Kirk who are both now have a full year in this offense and understand it better and more chemistry with Trevor Lawrence that


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[Assistant] There's no reason Lawrence couldn't put up some huge numbers. So I do like him as an MVP candidate, but I do agree with Brenton that-


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[Assistant] 15 to 1 compared to the other guys. And when you look at all these odds doesn't make a lot of sense. I would probably bet him at 20 to 1, but 15 to 1 is too short. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Pete would want us to compare it to Belichick, but we're not gonna do it. We'll never do that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, it's, you explained it really well, thank you. Uhm, but, it could have gone either way, frankly, so.


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[Assistant] This is a five-episode documentary series that drops in full, so you can binge it on July 10th, uhm, wherever you get your podcasts. And, uhm, the thesis of it is, if you think about the NFL's history as a series of tree rings, uhm, what I wanted to do was take a deep dive, sometimes, like, disastrous dive into


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[Assistant] This moment of the NFL and how it happened. The rise of the most popular offense in the NFL sometimes has had great success, sometimes has failed catastrophically, but overall as we look at the teams that run


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[Assistant] Initially begun by Mike Shanahan and blending his West Coast Bill Walsh influences with Alex Gibbs in his outside zone run game. Carried forward by Kyle Shanahan, Sean McBey, Matt LaFleur, and Mike McDaniel, among many, many others.


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[Assistant] But those four specifically were with each other as this thing really started to build into its modern iteration. So they are the four.


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[Assistant] defenses, even dynastic defenses that we've seen across time and essentially it's a story about people who make certain catalytic decisions.


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[Assistant] And really how evolution happens in this sport that we all love so much and are so passionate about.


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[Assistant] Functional clashing and sometimes dysfunctional clashing. Very, very competitive the entire way through, which I think is a fascinating layer to this as well.


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[Assistant] Oh god. I'm gonna start shrinking in my chair again. He's like making me shrivel up in my chair. But no, it's, uhm.


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[Assistant] We do, you know, I feel for Washington commanders fans on the one hand I do in terms of yes, you've watched all of these people form their own identities and succeed. And yes, they were all at one, one time and in one place.


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[Assistant] Through the course of the storytelling, I think it will become very clear.


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[Assistant] No, and so the way that, and then, but you also see that there's this, there's this urgency and this like, um, competitive, they can't help it, it just comes through every, in every word that they say, they had to go form their own identities. And part of it was because they all worked under Kyle Shanahan at one point.


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[Assistant] And, and the, the, the, the dynamics of those groups and those staffs, whether in Houston, by the way, because Houston's, you know, let's, had some of these guys leave as well, uhm, you know, whether it was in Houston or in Washington, there's this competitiveness, that urgency of like,


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[Assistant] Trying to get your own identity formed in certain ways, even as simple as I want to get one of my calls on Kyle's call sheet.


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[Assistant] And so it's, it's that type of push, right? That so permeates through the entire series as these guys begin to again form their own branches and streams and whatever, however you want to call it, like the way that they make their decisions and it's basically covering


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[Assistant] Football and deep schematic dives also, which we want people to feel like welcomed into and not sort of at arm's length from. Uhm, but, but covering that in a way that's also like deeply anthropological because this is how football happens. This is how it works.


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[Assistant] It's part of a balance too, that the conversation is super broad, not just in regards to the 49ers, but also in regards to the dynamic that first established itself early on on those staffs.


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[Assistant] the idea of how do you create functional competition because they all have this very formative experience of


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[Assistant] When you have functional competition and it's, and it's not just inclusive to them, it was everybody on that staff. You know, Raheem Morris is great in this series talking about, you know, Kyle lurking in the back of defensive meetings, right? And then how they would go and battle each other in different ways and test each other and, and Robert Sala as well, you know, in Houston and like,


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[Assistant] It's this idea of in your formative years when all your best ideas are happening out of functional competition and all your innovation is happening out of functional competition. Sometimes dysfunctional, we get into that too, but I'm not going to give away too many spoilers, right?


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[Assistant] When, when all of that, like, all those synapses are firing out of this, this atmosphere and this environment.


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[Assistant] You as a human naturally say, okay, that works. How do we bring in that environment into my own building? And you've seen it in some of the hiring patterns, the way that Sean McVeigh went out and hired Brandon Staley and the epic clashes during practice schematically as, as Brandon, you know, was running some of the kanji or some of his own stuff.


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[Assistant] And, and it was a perfect foil to what Sean McVeigh's offense was at the time, and it caused Sean McVeigh to want to change his entire offense around, right, including trading his quarterback. And then, you know, you're seeing this also happen with Robert Sala and Kyle Shanahan as, as Kyle is, is really, uhm, sort of wanting to troubleshoot


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[Assistant] And, but at the same time, like we talk about, there's a toll that that takes. Not just, you know, on the coaches and the drain and the stress of existing in that space, that innovation loop constantly.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but also on the players because the players are the ones who bring this to life, right? The players are the ones who there's this conversation thread through the entire series about, you know, what does it mean to exist within this offense and what does it mean to exist within this philosophy alongside these coaches and how, at what point do the coaches


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[Assistant] feel, you know, okay, seed some of the control that they have as a play caller and empower your players. Well, Sean McVeigh has seen the best things that have ever happened to him in his coaching career have happened when his players have taken over. That last drive of the Super Bowl, that's Matthew Stafford, Cooper Cup, and a great block by Bryson Hopkins. Can't forget that.


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[Assistant] You know, and like that's, you know, that's, and that's Andrew Whitworth, and that's, and even when they're building the offense in the first place in 17, you know, there's this great anecdote, and again, I don't want to spoil anything, but like,


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[Assistant] The players help them change mid-game of a game.


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[Assistant] Well, it's like a total millennial culture, right? It's like a why culture, you know, like, why am I doing this? What am I, what is, what is my meaning? You know, it's all of that, right?


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[Assistant] Um, so each episode is between 45 minutes to an hour. Okay, perfect. There's five. Again, they all drop on July 10th. And like I said, it does cover


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[Assistant] They are and they aren't. I mean, we have, we still have yet to see whether they've actually like figured out how to run the ball. So that's still the same, right?


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[Assistant] Um, but, but I think they've, you know, they've seen, they saw some really great stuff from fan makers down the stretch. I know fantasy football heads. That's the number one question I get every single year. So maybe this is the year, guys.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was a weird year, man. It was a weird year for a lot of people. Um, not the least for Sean McFay, but like you, but like you said, like that whole, um, you know, he went, he, what he went through last year as a person too, like that's all very real. And we wrote about that in depth over at the athletic and it's compounded also by this, you know,


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[Assistant] And sort of that remodel, they're calling it a remodel, like rebuild on the fly, the defense very much being sort of the sacrificial lamb here where they overhauled everyone except for Aaron Donald, Ernest Jones, Jordan Fuller.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then also, you know, on the offensive side, health, to your question, health is obviously the most important thing.


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[Assistant] What's interesting about what they've done is they've quietly gone about overhauling parts of their offensive line and they've gotten


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[Assistant] But, you know, it's a full workload, which he did not have at all last summer and last spring. And so.


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[Assistant] I didn't know what to worry about because I was so young. Well, going kind of back to that mindset of, okay, bring back in some of those core fundamentals, that teaching mentality overhauled a lot of his coaching staff. You know, that's going to make or break the Ram success and whether they truly can rebuild as quickly as they think they're going to.


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[Assistant] I don't think Aaron Donald and decline, like, should exist in the same sentence, to be quite honest. Yeaah. So, and I, it's interesting too, because


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[Assistant] He does so much with so little sometimes. I mean, they were really hurting, um, from injuries on the defensive line, the interior as well. And also, their top pass rusher, Leonard Floyd, he had a non-contact soft tissue injury at the beginning of camp. They thought he was going to be gone for the year, but he played through it. And so, like, they're not


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, and I think there's that sourness too. I mean, everyone always had the question, like, will he walk away? First of all, the contract is, is crazy in terms of.


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[Assistant] Structurally, and he has a no trade clause, which I think people forget. Um, but also, um, you know, there's a sourness that comes with, you know, ending the, he's never missed significant time.


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[Assistant] Anytime. He played through Broken Ribs in 2020 in Green Bay and Frozen Green Bay. And so that's, that's the thing is like, you're not going to go out quietly.


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[Assistant] This year, I think we can probably expect some bumps, right? Because what, you could say stars and scrubs or whatever, but like what the Rams did at a really high functioning level, of course, all the way up through their Super Bowl win was,


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[Assistant] They would take, they would draft off of traits, right? So they had these core stars on their roster. Jalen Ramsey being one of them, obviously. And then Leonard Floyd was playing at a really high level too.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Aaron Donald, obviously. And then they were, had this emerging really strong presence in Inside Linebacker and Ernest Jones, obviously Bobby Wagner last year. What they were really good at was, was picking traits. If you have a plus three traits guy like a Jalen Ramsey, okay, let's find traits that complement the plus three traits so then we can have a plus four or plus five collectively, right? And that was sort of their formula.


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[Assistant] And so now, that entire formula is changing, especially, and quite frankly, like, exaggeratedly so on the defensive side, uhm, because they are overhauling almost every position with basically three, uhm, like,


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[Assistant] Those fundamentals and those core, you know, teaching and development strengths that they historically had as a team before they went on this all out sprint to the Super Bowl. I think that they think that that's, you know, you accept that there will be some bumps along the way as long as you continue to see market improvement. I think they're hoping that the offense gets back to scoring a lot of points and lifting the defense a little bit as well.


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[Assistant] I do think genuinely that they think that they'll be better than maybe some of the external noise that's around them right now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I gave them seven wins this year. I do think that's still me being more optimistic than when I walk out to practice and I see 40 rookies. Uhm, that's start, that's like shocking. That's startling, right? And you're like, whoa, cause it's, it's also never happened there before.


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[Assistant] So in the McVeigh era, so I'm like, I temper that with like, hey, the reality of this is it's going to be really, really tough to put wins together. But it also is a team that, you know, has made it very, very clear that that's what they want to try to do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, whether, whether that manifests or not remains to be seen, but you gotta appreciate the, the optimism on their side, right? I'm like, alright, okay. Are you, are you sure?


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[Assistant] So, I'm gonna be the, like, the caveat person here, uhm, and say, like, we haven't watched any real football yet. Uhm, the offensive line looks great in theory and on paper in terms of the improvements that they've made.


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[Assistant] Ollark Jackson is a name to watch I think in terms of maybe someone emerging as a left tackle candidate. They still have not decided on.


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[Assistant] They look like they could actually do some protecting and some body moving, right? So that's good.


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[Assistant] We haven't seen any real football, right? So Matthew Stafford, again, he says he feels great. He seems, I mean, the energy's there. He's, he's, again, he's throwing, it's a full workload. It's night and day from what it was last off season. So all of that being said, we haven't watched any football yet. So I'm not ready to say like,


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[Assistant] It's gonna be great, it's gonna be fine, because I went into 2022 thinking, they look great, it's gonna be fine, and then, you know what, hit the fan in the most catastrophic way you could ever possibly have imagined.


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[Assistant] Even, even though he's gonna tell you always that he feels good, sometimes it's very obvious when he doesn't feel good. So far we haven't had any of those, oh, he obviously doesn't feel good moments.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like last year, spinal cord contusion. I'm fine. I'm fine.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that's the thing, is the caveat. It's like, we don't know what we don't know yet, but as of now, things look fine. Things look like, like, genuinely I do believe him when he says he feels good. As of now, uhm, it remains to be seen, guys. I wish I had something more definitive, but my god, what happened last year was quite the lesson for, for a lot of us, I think.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Pick 6 podcast. Katie Mox here with Will Brinson and welcome back to our All 32 series. The series where we catch up with insiders to give you the need to know on every NFL team. And today we are talking about the New York Jets.


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[Assistant] I agree. There's no one does petty or spiteful like Aaron Rodgers, not even uh, Wil Brinson. But back to that really quick, I will say it. We have a, we have a group chat for Pixix, and Brinson's biggest gripe is that all these people have opinions about his list, but no one is actually reading the article. So Lige, you actually read the article. Thank you.


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[Assistant] Yes, uh, alright, well, let's just bring it back to Aaron Rodgers for one second here. And you talked about there wasn't a caliber, a quarterback of this caliber on the team since Namath.


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[Assistant] Obviously a big part of that is going to be the protection in this O line and they have invested a ton here. You got Dwayne Brown, Lakin Tomlinson in free agency. Then you got Mackay Bechtin, Elijah Vera Tucker in the first round. Then you got Joe Tippman in the second round, which is probably my favorite pick that you guys had. How good can this line be in 2023?