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[Assistant] 100%. 100%. I think that's exactly right. Honestly though, I think that's what some teams are like though. They go, he does nothing and he's still really good in the SEC. And that's fair. He does one move, right? So I think they're playing a little bit of the, ooh, we think he can expand him. You know, it's along the lines of,


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[Assistant] Kinda what you said about, it's a little bit more of a potential projection pick, right? It is a little bit of that. You're gonna, if you watch Latu film and you watch Dallas Turner film, in my opinion, you're gonna go, well, Latu's the better player. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna translate to the better pass rusher in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And that's where Turner, I'm with you, is interesting that way. Right? I mean, I...


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[Assistant] I think, you know, again, the bend, some of the physical traits, the arm length, all of that. And, you know, I saw enough in the run game.


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[Assistant] Right? Against tackles and things where I went, I'm not worried, he's not perfect there, but he's gonna be able to do it and be good at it. He's got tremendous strength in his upper body, which is why he goes speed to power all the time. But yea, he's gotta learn some variety in his moves. Nor, here was another thing that I thought hurt him.


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[Assistant] Very few plays in a game where he got to just line up wide and just get after it.


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[Assistant] Then Alabama, when they say lineup wide, it's like he just gets on the outside shoulder of the tackle. And more times than not, he still has to kind of like read the play a little bit, right? And that hurts, I think, his overall look. But I'm with you there about how great it can be. I hear you. I think he's...


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[Assistant] Definitely one of the top three, five specimens in the draft.


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[Assistant] What he is as a football player at this moment? I don't know if he's a top 3 or 5 player at this moment. That's what I would probably back that up with. The football playing hasn't caught up to the traits. But those gifts are special. They're there. They're there. They're pretty special. The bend and...


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[Assistant] Right, I mean, that's, that's, that is eye-popping. There's no doubt about that. Here's another one for you. I'll throw out, just because we're sitting here. Uh, Brayden Fisk.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I see some good stuff, but uuuh, there's some stuff that really scares me, uh, and he, he would be one of those that I'd throw in there as far as hard to evaluate how to project it goes going forward. It is, cause he's...


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[Assistant] I know. I think he's athletic enough to almost do like...


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[Assistant] I, I, I think so. I feel like with him and Enos Rakestraw, that's kinda how I feel the same about both of them. They're gonna be better, and I feel the same way about the kid from Iowa, Cooper Dejean.


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[Assistant] I think they're better like safety hybrid type of players and I don't trust them on the outside covering some of the top corners in the sport and I think your point is the point.


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[Assistant] That's why I'm not as high on Terryon Arnold. I like Terryon Arnold. I want him on my team.


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[Assistant] I don't want them outside playing corner man to man against Jamar Chase. Guys that run 4-5, to your point, about, you even said 4-6.


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[Assistant] But like, guys who run 4-5 are not elite, shut down man-to-man corners. You look through time, that's usually high 4-3's, 4-4 flat, 4-2-9, 4-3-1. That's what those type of guys run.


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[Assistant] You know, that would scare me about that group of guys we just talked about there.


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[Assistant] I think that's where I would trust it. Plus I think like guard at least at first and then he can kinda work on mechanics and things that he needs to work on to maybe become a tackle a little later. It eliminates his deficiency.


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[Assistant] It was, it was over. He opened himself up for two way goes. He was, that's why when I went, I go, he's not ready for tackle. I wrote, I think in my notes, and I don't have my other notebook where I have all my old linemen in, but I think I wrote like, hey, I think he could do tackle one day, but for right now, he's a guard until he figures some things out. Uh, but yeah, I did like him. He was one of the guys that,


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[Assistant] I didn't put him on my honorable mentions, or I had a long list of guys, but he would have been the next guy up that I probably would have brought up. I have him 56th overall.


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[Assistant] Dan Arnold is definitely one of the ones that I would throw in that list, right? I keep seeing him somewhere in the 20s, drafted, late teens. Sometimes, you know, he's the second corner off the board. Again, I love the football player.


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[Assistant] But, yea. He was a safety recruit, you know that? Well, that to me is, I'd want him as a nickel safety type of guy. That's what I want him at.


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[Assistant] But that, that to me is not a top 20 or 25 pick or, or, you know, even really a first rounder in my opinion.


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[Assistant] Alright, so we talked about him. I think we kinda hit some of these guys on just like, again, Chop Robertson I could see being that guy, right? Where it could be like, woah, that floor is low for sure. All athlete. Yup, all athlete, right? Just don't know how the size and everything else about his game is gonna translate.


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[Assistant] Trying to think of just the, you know, I'm trying to keep it with the top guys that we talk about.


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[Assistant] Some teams have them very highly valued and I think some teams don't have them valued quite as highly as I think we all think they do. Right? You know, especially the tackle group. I think the tackle group


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[Assistant] Is guys like you, me, whatever, the draft pundits, all that. We all see the, the potential, ooh, the size, the look, it's all there. We're very much through the prism of past protection and all that.


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[Assistant] I do think there's some teams out there that where I look at these guys and go, Oh, they're definite first rounders, blah, blah, blah. There's no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] You know, I think there's some teams out there that are a little bit like, uh, how good are these tackles? I'm not sure I feel good about all of them. Right? I think the two that I constantly get that everybody feels comfortable about is just all in Latham. Right. Those are the two. And then everybody else is kind of like, eh, I'm not sure about that. I get that with Fashon.


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[Assistant] I think there's that big of a difference there in this and through the league. So that'll be an interesting one to kind of see as we go throughout here.


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[Assistant] I do, I usually like, when I look at a game, I, I usually like, I have a player, I pull up, I have a few things in front of me.


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[Assistant] And then I pull out, I do pull up his stats for the year, right? Not necessarily to look at the stats, more to go, wait, who are the teams I want to see him play against? Right? That's more, I don't go, oh, he had five sacks in that game.


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[Assistant] I gotta watch that game. I don't go, and then they go, Oh, it's against South East, Northwest Louisiana, Monroe, Missouri, California state. Oh, I don't care about that one. So I'm not going to watch the five sacks. I don't care.


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[Assistant] Right, so I'm a little bit of a three game guy. That's what I usually try to do.


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[Assistant] That's the standard. Three games, try to spread it out throughout the year, right? I try to go one somewhere in the first part of the year, the middle part of the year, and the end of the year. I try to do that for the most part. That's technically, I mean that's kinda my formula for more times than not.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no, no, you gotta take into the, you know, the context matters. That's what I always say. That's the one thing I always say. Context does matter with this type of conversation, and you gotta try to piece that together. Right? And, uh, yeaah, it's usually


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[Assistant] For me, three games, and I honestly, I probably usually always start with a...


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[Assistant] Whether it's that day or early on in the process, let me watch 40 plays of the guy. Like, whether it's a POA tape or whatever, just so I have a feel for it. Same move, what he looks like. Right, so I can talk to it and just go, oh yeah, I like him, blah, blah, blah. And then I dive into it later with the actual game film.


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[Assistant] So he will be a part of that conversation. He will. Now does he get to be the end all be all? No. Right? But I think where it goes into is this is where staff meetings, things like this happen to where, hey, they get in a meeting, the defensive coaches are in there, and where they can have an effect is, hey, Jim Schwartz


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[Assistant] Hey, he kinda likes the guy that's number five on the board, better than the guy that's at, you know, two and three, right?


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[Assistant] And they'll have constructive conversations and he'll get to a status case, show film, do whatever else to where


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[Assistant] You know, again, if he's sitting there and, and, uh, Andrew Barry, ooh, that's a good point. Ooh, you're, oh, okay, okay. And then there's a few other defensive coaches that start to go that. That's where, okay, the front office might go, okay, yeah, you know what?


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with you there. We're gonna tinker with the board here. Okay, we will make this guy now the second guy and drop the other guys down a little bit. So, he's not gonna be on draft day going, I want that guy!


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[Assistant] But he's already have gonna put out all his thoughts about what he likes, what he sees through the position, and then what guys in this class he feels embody that, right? And that will definitely be taken to an account for sure.


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[Assistant] It's probably scouting department, other guys, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then like, we get towards the end of the season and the GM starts to go, oh, wait a minute, I've watched enough of this guy, hold on, let me move a few things, right?


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[Assistant] And then it becomes, ooh, the season's over. All right. We looked at our own team. We evaluate our own guys. Hey, quarterback coach or D line coach or O line coach. Hey, watch these 10 guys in the draft. Kind of tell us what you think. We're going to have a meeting about O lineman next week, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then that will continue into.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. I've heard the old line. Oh, let me go back into the, the, the boardroom there. Okay. I had the old line like this, but man, our old line coach said this, our offensive coordinator said this, right. I've been watching more and more. Okay. Now I'm going to, you know, change the order a little bit. Right. And it's a work in progress to where.


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[Assistant] All the big time head coaches, offensive coordinators.


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[Assistant] They're, they're just got done with evaluating everybody in the draft just a few days ago. Like it's the agency. Exactly. It's not been that long here. So now it's all in the, ooh, what's the value of this guy? Let's try to predict what this team's gonna do, blah, blah, blah. And it's all coming together here in these last two weeks is really when it starts to, to kind of clear up.


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[Assistant] Like the wide receiver coach, ten of them. He might give the quarterback coach another five of them, right? And maybe even another position too, just to get different thoughts and different people to see it.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, it is, it's not every position coach sees every guy at their position and knows everything about it.


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[Assistant] Cause that's the one that comes top of my mind. I know, I'm looking at the top 10 right now and I'm going, wait, alright, so the Jets know. There's not a team. The Bears know. The Falcons know. I mean, the Titans know.


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[Assistant] I think they're more intrigued by the potential in the future and what Will Levis can be rather than, wait, we know what Dak Prescott is, right? So no, I don't see any of them. Not in the top 10. My answer would be the Raiders at 13. Sure, right. That's it. That might, you know, that's where you can start talking about that a little bit, surely. Uh, but, you know, Dak is, I think, a guy that, again, a lot of teams would like.


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[Assistant] Definitely. But do they want to trade away a first round pick? And, oh, we're gonna pay Dak fifty-something million dollars a year for Dak? No, that's not what people want. You know, Dak would have a market if he was a total free agent and trading wasn't involved and all that. There's no doubt about that. But I don't think it's like,


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[Assistant] No, I don't think Dak Prescott is viewed as a slam dunk top ten quarterback by everybody in football and therefore that's not going to, you know, put that type of trade demand up there.


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[Assistant] Let alone a guy like Dak Prescott and most teams are gonna be thinking about, they gotta think about the political nature of that conversation.


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[Assistant] Right, and even with a guy like Dak Prescott, right, who I think is good and you can win a Super Bowl with. I'm going to say that. I've been saying that. But he's not Mahomes, and he's not Josh Al, and he's not Joe Burrow. That's not who he is. But he's damn good, right?


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[Assistant] My point was, I forgot for a second what my point was going to be there, uh, but no, I think my point where I was going is that, is he's damn good, right?


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[Assistant] Gosh, I've totally forgot, forget it. It'll come back later. I don't know where, I had something in my head and I read a question as I was talking and I totally blanked out and forgot. And I can't remember what the hell I was going to say now. You're trying to run without catching the ball first.


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[Assistant] Again, when I hear like, you know, Joe Alt at 6 to the Char- I just go, well that's the total Chargers, Jim Harbaugh type of move. He's saying it. That's what I would expect. I mean, I would expect that.


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[Assistant] Let's start with weight. The same formula that got me to the Super Bowl as a 49ers head coach, the same formula that got me to the National Championship game is dominate up front. So yeaah, I, you know, again, I expect it to be that. I do. I don't, I guess I look at it and go,


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[Assistant] It's definitely in the conversation, right? They do need it.


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[Assistant] Right? But I just don't look at him going, Jim Harbaugh making it all about the receiver and having to deal with that as a top 10 or 12 pick.


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[Assistant] His past protection is still a work in progress, but when it's good, I think it's maybe the best in the draft. Like the way it looked at the end of the year, I went, it was phenomenal. That's what I said to Ahmed last week or two weeks ago when we did the rankings, I went, you watch the, you know,


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[Assistant] Get close to him, right, and, and the pass protection and all that stuff. Uhm, but yeaah, I, I hear you, but you know, again,


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[Assistant] I sometimes think like, a guy like Joe Walt, right? He's a good athlete, like he's gonna have no problem going to right tackle and making that adjustment. Right, exactly right. So, I don't think it's as big of a concern in the NFL as maybe sometimes us guys make it out to be.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I don't think so. You know, again, there's a part of me that still thinks Bo Nicks can go in the first round here. I don't know that for sure. I haven't like had that talk or convo with anybody, so I certainly am not trying to say it through that prism.


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[Assistant] Damn, I, I, I look at him as a first round talent for sure. And again, I'll say what I said, you know, when you talked about, you know, May with the Giants and all of that, I just, I, it just doesn't seem like a Giants type of move.


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[Assistant] Right? For a team that's got, you know, holes everywhere, we're just gonna make it all about the quarterback, the quarterback, the quarterback, the quarterback. And I know Daniel Jones isn't perfect, but like I said, he's, you know, to me, one of the lesser issues on the football team.


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[Assistant] You can win with Daniel Jones, right? It's gotta be, yeaah, they gotta be able to support him and they can support him throughout most of his career.


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[Assistant] I would want, uhm, our man from Alabama, Dallas Turner. Yeaah. I would go with that. Just take the freakiest guy. I would, I would. I think he's perfect for that. It's, it's again, it's Ibra Fluse, it's based on Seattle's scheme, it's wide nine, it's don't think about much other than just running to the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Fits him, right? Verse, I like verse. I don't know if I see top tier, like, ooh, I think he could be a 14 sack a year type of edge guy. I'm not sure I see that because he's a really good player. I really like Jared verse, but I'm not sure I see that all the way. I love me some Byron Murphy. I do. You know, I, I,


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[Assistant] I think of them de-tackle, right? They got the kid from Florida we talking about, right? That's coming up. Yeah. Uh, the ranks and then who, they got some other de-tackles there. I gotta pull it up. I feel like they gotta go to the past. They took two.


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[Assistant] They play a ton of man. Cause the player is really good. The player is worthy of that pick for sure. For my, for my, I think again, what I've said about Quinian Mitchell, right?


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[Assistant] And the more time that's gone on, I've kind of said, he's not only my man crush, I think he is my top rated defensive player if I were to really, you know, put a gun to my head and he made me do it. Right? My thing I keep saying, if he was a cooler emblem in college, like in Ohio State, he would be a top five pick.


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[Assistant] I look at him on film and go, I think he's better than Derrick Stingley, who was picked at number three by the Houston Texans. I think his film is every bit, is up there with Sauce Gardener. And it was a surprise when Sauce went when he did. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Not at four maybe, right, exactly right. But Sauce, I think, between his measurables, what he did at the combine, and then, oh, I got to see him play against Alabama and all that, that helped him out so much that I think that boosted him up. He looks the part too. Mitchell just is missing that part of whether, I didn't get to play against


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[Assistant] Enough big time competition so that scares people a little bit. And my school wasn't big time. And I think that leads it to a guy that I look at as a top 5 pick that'll probably be top 10 or 12 just because of the school he was at.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to get back on the internet right now. That's always a fun adventure. Because like, they want my new password and I can't even pull up the damn roster right now, so I'm trying to do that as I do a podcast, which is really annoying me.


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[Assistant] That's, that, so that would probably be why they don't go Quinnian Mitchell.


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[Assistant] And I think, you know, hey, the kid, Tyreek Stevens had a damn good rookie year. I mean, he, he's, he's worthy of being that guy over there. Right? So that's where I, I guess I do look at the pass rusher if I'm going to choose one of the, I would think they're go pass rusher or they add to the receiver group, which is I think a common thought that's out there.


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[Assistant] He's, he's a good, safe, I mean he's one of the safest picks of the draft. Without doubt. Can tackle, he can probably tackle or guard, can do either one, right? I look at them in the Jets and go, wait, we're really gonna go, hey, like, oh, we think that, you know, Tyrone Smith and Morgan Moses are definitely gonna be healthy for the year?


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[Assistant] Right? So I look at that and go, I think that's the play for the big picture. Right? But if you're in it for right now, this second,


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[Assistant] You know, we want to win it this year. I feel like Brock Bowers would probably be the one I'd go with. He's my highest ranked player of the three. Yeah. So that goes to your equation. Bowers is phenomenal. He's unbelievable. I was expecting a lot when I turned the film on, and when I turned the film on, I was


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[Assistant] Pleasantly pleased to go, wow, this guy's worth everything I thought he was, what I heard about him, everything. Like really, really like the football player. And then of course them, hey, they do want to run the ball. Rodgers is good at play action. You play him, you know, off of Breeks Hall in that running game.


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[Assistant] You know, there's, there's a lot there to like for sure. Uhm, so yeaah.


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[Assistant] It feels like they're gonna go for the now pick over the big picture pick.


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[Assistant] You know, short term, yes, and long term kind of fits both, right? Just a great player. Helps run game, helps pass game, helps it all. Great player, exactly right. Definitely was blown away. I, I, yeah, Brock Bauer's the one, another one I go.


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[Assistant] You know, where is he gonna go? You know, who's gonna take, if the Jets don't take him at ten, where does he end up? Is somebody gonna make a move, make a play for him? Could be. You know, I think he's that type of talent that somebody would do that.


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[Assistant] No, it's real. It's real. Like, to me, again, another one where I would say, one of the safest picks in the draft, right, when you talk about it, just because I do, he could play tackle, I think he could do it, I definitely think he's a better guard. Like, I look at him and go,


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[Assistant] He could be one of the best guards in football right away, like a Quentin Nelson type of thing, where you go, woah, rookie year, right? Quentin Nelson I think was like the sixth pick of the draft, and within like the fifth game of the year, we were like, he's one of the best guards in football already. And I feel like Fuagga's got a chance to be that type of guy.


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[Assistant] Definitely, definitely. He's not, he's not built, he's built to be a big time guard. I don't see him being, you know,


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[Assistant] I don't love their all black uniform, I don't, uhm, but, but, you know, I get it, if you're gonna have an alternate, it is a cool look, green and black, and, you know, all black certainly looks good, but, uh, yeaah, I'm, I'm, I'm kinda digging the Jets Unis right now. The bar was low, but they upgraded. They did, they upgraded, they upgraded. The bar was significantly low.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we got, let's see, Jets uniform. Will Roger stop being a distraction to his football team? That'll be interesting to see as we go further here, right? How could they not be, uh, they're, listen, is he gonna, on every podcast, just dive into every conspiracy theory? And they feel like they're hours long.


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[Assistant] I only see the clips. It's dicey. It is, it is definitely a little strange right now. The Jets cannot be comfortable with all of the talking that Aaron Rodgers is doing right now.


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[Assistant] Hey, you'll be back next week. I know. So we got some questions we didn't answer. We'll get to some of those, okay?


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[Assistant] I know there's some things there and there's some good ones out there about some other teams that we didn't get to, uh, but we're gonna continue down this road. Definitely Wednesday, gonna hit a little on like safeties and linebackers, which is not one of the most, you know, sexy groups of this.


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[Assistant] You know, I said to the PFF guys the other day, I don't know, are we gonna see a linebacker drafted in the second round? I don't even know. Probably one or two. Right, but it's like one or two.


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[Assistant] Right? Safety, you know, the traditional safety definitely I don't think is happening in the first round. I don't, is Cooper Dejean gonna, Dejean gonna sneak in the first? He'll go in the first round. You think he will?


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[Assistant] I'll be interested in him, cause he's one of those ones that I almost feel like everybody, we're all, oh, he's the end of the first, end of the first, and then when it gets down to it, people are gonna be like, oh, wait, we gotta take this position right here, and he ends up on the board in the top of the second. Uh, but, but, but, interesting nonetheless. But we're gonna hit that. Safeties, linebackers, Wednesday, break it down, Omens back in the fold.


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[Assistant] Connor, thanks for driving the ship. As always, you the man. Keep the shirts tight, keep the guns big, alright?


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[Assistant] Please do that. You the man. Uh, Connor is getting married in like a month. So, he's got a lot, he's got a busy life to do here. He's got to deal with the Mets and getting married. I don't know. We'll see how that goes. Alright everybody, be good. You know where to find us. Send in the questions. We'll be back Wednesday. Peace out. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Me and Ahmed Farid are gonna be here for it all. You know, we got free agency. We're gonna break it all down. The draft, the rankings of positions. Of course, we're gonna unpack it all. Hit subscribe, get to my free agency reactions, 2024 draft rankings and more. Thanks again for watching. Peace out, homies. See you soon.


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[Assistant] It is. I mean, in this day of, this day and age of craziness. Yeah. I've cat ranch, whatever. There's probably ranches for everything. What's up, man? How you doing? Chris Sims. I'm in Fareed. We are here. Chris Sims unbuttoned. It's Monday. It's the 2024 draft wide receiver rankings. We got more of that.


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[Assistant] I know you had a busy week last week. Oh my gosh. You're wearing your gold pants. I like to always tell people what you're wearing here. Coming back. No Notre Dame receivers here in this, in this, uh, ranking today, so you don't need to wear your pants, okay?


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[Assistant] Yeah, thank you. That's what I need. Cause I only fought for like, for like, I feel like four out of the last seven weeks of like dealing with cold or something, right? Hopefully I gave it to you and I'm immune to it. That's what I'm hoping.


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[Assistant] I'm a fan of Michael Wilson. It's one of the ones I'm definitely the most proud of, I think, on here, is Michael Wilson.


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[Assistant] That was, well that was the one, I mean Zay Flowers too, because Jackson Smith and Jigma, and you know, I know people sometimes think I'm trying to make a splash or do anything, right?


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[Assistant] Pete was telling me about a comment on, you know, social media with like, oh, well here comes receiver we've never heard about. Like, you know.


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[Assistant] Screw you, you heard about all these receivers last year, and the guy that, you know, you never heard about, Zay Flowers, was better than Jackson Smith and Jigma. So, I'm not sitting here to try to do this because I just think it'll get attention.


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[Assistant] It's not what my life is about, you know that. I'm just not afraid to go maybe against the consensus and see what I see and believe in that.


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[Assistant] And, you know, we'll see. Not all of it was right, not all of it was wrong. We'll see with Quentin Johnson, right? He's certainly up in the air still. What happened there, you think?


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[Assistant] Raw, we knew that last year at a TCU, we said that. Remember last year, we were, we were kinda talking like, he only ran like three routes. It was either go,


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[Assistant] Slam or shallow cross, that's like all he did.


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[Assistant] Right? He was in a offense and on a team, I think, where they didn't really want him to have to contribute right away. Right? Mike Williams, Keenan Allen were there. They were going to be the guys. I think they drafted him a little bit like, hey, we'll bring him along. He got thrusted into action maybe a little bit before.


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[Assistant] They wanted to, or maybe thrusted more onto his plate, but I'm gonna say this with him, right? I'm not like,


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[Assistant] I'm not ready to say, oh, I'm wrong about that one yet or anything. Not that type of guy. That type of guy a lot of times, right, it does take them a little time to kind of get going.


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[Assistant] You know, to a degree, right? It's a bigger guy. Some of the things that he got to do his whole life and expose, you know, college and high school players against.


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[Assistant] All of a sudden, like, that wasn't a guaranteed advantage in the NFL. Whoa, just cause I'm bigger. Whoa, just because I have a straight line speed, right, over somebody. Now I, oh, that doesn't mean I dominate anymore, right? So I think there's a little bit of that, right? But I would, I still think he is a good fit, especially for Justin Herbert, who is an incredible covered,


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[Assistant] Throw her right to the receiver, the receivers covered or like putting the ball in spots where only his guy can get it. That's why I think part of the reason they had big receivers.


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[Assistant] With the Chargers. They were like, Herbert can kind of just throw it up here and throw it over the line and he can seize these guys and put it in spots where like, our big guys can get it and nobody else can. Uh, so yeaah, let's not close the book on him quite yet.


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[Assistant] There's a few things. You don't know the human, right? You know, sometimes the size and strength translates to the game. The NFL game may be better than it even showed in college football, you know. Oh, he gets around somebody that


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[Assistant] Guys' games improve, let alone be in a perfect situation, right? And I think a guy that fit exactly...


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[Assistant] Where yeaah, I'm gonna have in the top five, but there's a bunch of guys that we'll name after honorable mentions where I'm gonna go, well I'm scared that this guy could have better stats than some of these guys in the top five year one.


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[Assistant] You know, you get into the Tank Dells, the Josh Downs from last year, right? Nobody, not gonna make them a top 5 receiver in the draft, right?


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[Assistant] They have something I'm really elite about them and I know I can line them outside and they can beat the top corners in football, right? Where, you know, guys like,


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[Assistant] Downs or a tank dell, you weren't sure, their size, right, all those, and of course they proved me wrong and a lot of people wrong, but I think also


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[Assistant] You know, the fit of where they were is crucial. And again, being an offense that, ooh, we know how to use the slot receiver and we have some pretty good receivers outside that doesn't make, you know, a defense be able to go all in on stopping you. They gotta respect the other things. And I think that's where, you know,


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[Assistant] Where you go, yeaah, he's not a superstar in the sense of AJ Brown, you know, Tyree kill Jamar Chase. He's not gonna get a slant and run for 70, right? But damn, he's gonna get a lot of 12 and 20 and 15 and 8, like unbelievable routes.


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[Assistant] Understanding coverages and all that and dominate the NFL that way. But you also gotta be an offense that knows how to use that guy too. And not all offenses are as good as others as far as finding the niche for that guy.


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[Assistant] I don't know if anything's, you know, my style is, I think everybody knows my style. I tend to go with the guys that are physically freaky, right? That is what I do, right? I tend to look for explosive ability and what I always say, elite traits. Traits where I go, ooh, that's really special and he can build on that.


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[Assistant] Oh wait, he's got a weakness here, but this elite trait will allow him time to, you know, continue to grow in some of the weaker areas or whatever else. But yeah, explosive ability, what they do after the catch, the route running.


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[Assistant] You know, the size is of course a part of that, and that whole thing is a big part of the equation.


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[Assistant] No, and I think it's something that can be worked on and you can get better, so I think people get downgraded too quickly, right?


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[Assistant] Where again, this is, it goes back to the DK Metcalf AJ Brown draft where they're like, well, he doesn't run the full route tree. And I just want to be like, well, he's like the freakiest guy in the draft. I'm pretty sure he can go to the line and make a right hand turn. Just give him a few times to work on it and it'll be good. Right? So I think there's too much on that. That's where I would say. And yes, like.


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[Assistant] All I heard when I used to make Tyree kill the number one receiver in football, everybody was like, you can't run any routes. Now he's a great route runner. He's had time to work on it. He's gotten better at it, of course.


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[Assistant] You know, the big thing still, for a lot of the top receivers in football, right, is still predicated on one thing. The fear and scare of, oh shit, he's about to run by me, right, so I better get the fuck out of here and backpedal or turn and run. Oh shit, he put the brakes on and now he's open.


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[Assistant] You don't need to be the greatest route runner in the world to do that. Right? You don't need to be the greatest route runner in the world to go, wait, I'm going to be in the slot and we want you to run across the field 30 yards to the numbers over there. You don't need to be Jerry Rice to pull that off.


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[Assistant] You got great speed, physicality, you know, a little leaning of the body. You're just moving the defender a little bit. You're going to be open, let alone those are worked on traits, right? So I'm more in favor of yes.


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[Assistant] The guy that's a little bit more physical freaky that maybe needs


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[Assistant] You know, some, some room to grow in the route area. I go over that guy or I prefer that guy rather than the guy that's, oh my gosh, it's the greatest routes I've ever seen. Right. But damn, he hasn't beat anybody deep all year long. He never pulls away from anybody. He catches a slant and he gets four yards every time after he catches the ball.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, I like all that, I get it, but that's not to me the guy I'm gonna go, oh, he's top five in the draft, or top ten, or top two receiver for me in my rankings. No. And again, the guys we're talking about as the best receivers in football, this is where


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[Assistant] You know, to me, it gets, you know, every now and then we have an Almond Ross named Brown and a Tank Dell and that kind of guy too, but I still don't think anybody would put them in the top receiver of football conversation. Wouldn't be the first guy.


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[Assistant] No, it wouldn't be the first guy I take, and the guys that we talk about as the best receivers in football.


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[Assistant] Again, it's like we talk about quarterbacks, the greatest quarterbacks of all time. They had like really strong arms and they had like freaky traits for the most part, right?


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[Assistant] Same thing with the receivers. Randy Moss wasn't like, I'm in the playbook studying hard. That's why I got better as a player. No, it wasn't that. It was because he ran 4-1 and he was 6-5. That's why. Alright?


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[Assistant] Calvin Johnson was, he does a lot of protein shakes, that's what got him over the edge. Like no, he's a freak. A robot, a robot. Exactly, exactly, he's Megatron. Right, AJ Brown, right?


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[Assistant] Tyree Kill, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, right? Who else am I missing? DJ Moore.


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[Assistant] Those got, you know what, they're physical freaks. They are freaks, right? And it starts with, wait, you gotta respect my explosive ability.


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[Assistant] And that's the number one thing that gets those guys open. So that's why sometimes I think the route running thing is overrated to a degree. Don't get me wrong. You need it. And it's certainly a great skill to have. And we've seen guys like, you know, Devonte Adams, who might not be the most explosive, my type of guy ever. He's made an incredible living and is awesome.


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[Assistant] At crossing people up and running great routes and attacking their leverages and knowing where the coverage is and all that, right? It's just not always my number one cup of tea.


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[Assistant] It's every bit up there with the last few years. Again, this goes into our whole conversation as again, are we gonna see the devaluing of wide receivers happen and maybe being a little bit of a, you know, commodities that aren't as in demand because there's so many good ones coming out every year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is, to me, got it all, this class, from what I saw.


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[Assistant] I'm going to say I watched the top 20 guys or so. And so there might be some guys that are in the sixth and seventh round that maybe, maybe I'm, I didn't see or whatever, but I know from the group, but I saw crap. I'm in.


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[Assistant] You know, again, it's, it's a year where I certainly can see it. I'll, I'll say it after, but there's guys where I go, I can see this guy next year having 90 catches. He's not in my top five. In fact, he's not in my top seven or eight.


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[Assistant] But he might have 90 catches next year for a thousand yards. Like I could totally see him.


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[Assistant] His skill set, how he plays, it fits in the NFL and there are certain offenses we know, like you were talking about with those guys earlier, if they know how to use them, they get in that position, they can tear it up. But yea, there's depth and there's a little bit of everything to be had here in this draft too. Again, there's a lot of


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[Assistant] Freaks, there's size, and there's tons of your jitterbugs.


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[Assistant] Like I think if I had to set it over and under, it'd be like right around five, four and a half, somewhere in there, right? You know, I feel like...


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[Assistant] The top five receivers we have on this list, right? Like four are definitely going first round, for sure. Right? The guy I have as fifth, I think is a first round talent.


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[Assistant] Right, but does he end up early second somewhere in there? I don't know. Right, so that's the question.


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[Assistant] Right? And I have probably have a guy or two that most people have in their top five that I go, no, he's not my top five. He's like six or seven for me. Right? Where again, I would go, I wouldn't be shocked if this guy's got some traits that are special. I wouldn't be shocked if he went at the end of the first round. You know, I don't look at him as that type of talent, but I wouldn't be shocked. So.


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[Assistant] I mean yea, four, six, I mean, it could be anywhere in there, but I think I would set the line at like four and a half if I was really gonna make it interesting there. Make it difficult for the betting public out there. Why would you do that?


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[Assistant] It's you. Malik Neighbors is an incredible wide receiver. I mean, here would be my base headline of Malik Neighbors. I mean, best route runner, best explosion and speed, best yak, right? The dude is a star.


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[Assistant] Right? And he could be the best Z, the best X, or the best slot jitterbug in the draft, right? There's no weakness to Malik neighbors. The only thing you can go is go, I wish he was 6-3, like some of the other guys, right? That's the only thing.


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[Assistant] But again, he's six foot, he's 200 pounds, right? And he's along the long, the guys of like what I talk about all the time. He's Jamar Chase-ish.


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[Assistant] Can catch a slant and go for 70. Can go, Oh, you want to press me and play bump man to man. See you later. I'm out of here. I'm going to throw a bomb first. They're going to throw a bomb to me for 70. Right. Or I can run an intricate like post corner poster or, you know, just a normal post corner and run it like a high level NFL football player.


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[Assistant] That's where it starts, but has that body, Ahmed, of what I talk about sometimes, of like a receiver kind of in a running back's body.


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[Assistant] Right? Like a, almost a Tony Pollard type build, a little taller, right? But it's got some muscle to him.


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[Assistant] Able to take contact at the line of scrimmage. Able to take contact down the field and not be affected by it. Might be running a 20 yard out route, right? Guy's kind of bumping on him or pulling on his shoulder, right? Cause he's afraid he's about to pull away from him. It doesn't really affect him. So he plays with all that.


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[Assistant] But when you talk again about the things that I love, twitchy as hell, acceleration,


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[Assistant] And I didn't, you know, I watched Neighbors probably fourth or fifth out of the group, right, as I went through it. And I mean, just right away, I was like, whoa, I didn't realize he can accelerate like that. Whoa.


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[Assistant] Holy cow, he can explode out of the break here. That, that, that is to me what really caught my eye at first, and then everything else started to follow that.


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[Assistant] Like I said, whether it was the playmaking ability, it plays bigger than a six foot size, really can do a good job of like,


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[Assistant] You know, we'll talk about other guys boxing people out downfield, shielding him with his body, playing the ball in the air and making the proper adjustments. He makes some incredible acrobatic catches. Right. So yeah, Malik neighbors. I am very comfortable. I think he's a star. I really do. He's explosive playmaking superstar wide receiver that you know, I love a whole lot.


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[Assistant] I know you did. I'm a shock. Ahmed was texting me yesterday and he was throwing out stuff where I was like, what? Like that doesn't sound like you just like BS'd and read somebody's like report. You had eyes on it. Can't take other people's word for it. No wonder you got a cold and you're a little worn down. Too much rot.


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[Assistant] No doubt, right? That's where that running bag build, he runs through a lot of arm tackles, right? Makes cuts, people are right there, they think they got a hold of him, he breaks through it, right? You know, those to me are things that definitely translate to the NFL. We know speed and explosion do, right? But the game's gonna be tighter in the NFL. The guys are better.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, can you play with a little physicality, the bump and run and, you know, the bump and grind when you're, when you're running routes downfield or breaking tackles, that's big and he does that. Keep going, wax politically more. So that was all. That was it. I've exhausted all of it.


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[Assistant] It was, uh, I couldn't quite hear it. It broke up out of me. Getting cleaner out of breaks, is that what he said? I think so, yea, getting out, yea. Yea, which he's pretty damn clean. And he knows, again.


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[Assistant] He knows it's the NFL, he's gonna be dealing with a different animal when it comes to battles at the line of scrimmage with bump and run corners, right? These are people that of course are...


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[Assistant] You know, a step up in competition, and they're very nuanced, as you know. Pros, whatever. Yeaah, they're all over receiver technique, and ooh, he does this, so I'm ready for it. So you gotta be extremely detailed and technique oriented in those areas as well. Right? But, like,


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[Assistant] The draft community starts to go, wait, the guy that I talked to in the Bears organization said Malik neighbors is the top receiver on their board or whatever, right?


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[Assistant] And I'll say Marvin Harrison Jr. I think were the best at changing speeds, right? Like...


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[Assistant] Hey, coming off real hard, then kinda like, gliding and like, oh, their DB relaxes, and then BOOM, they hit it real hard again and make a move and cut somewhere, right? Setting up DBs that way.


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[Assistant] But I look at neighbors and then just go, man, there's, there's just not, there's nothing there to look at. That's a weakness, right? I mean, we know he can be a burner, jitterbug, awesome, physical, right? He's the best route runner in the draft. He's strong with the ball in his hands. Like you said, he runs hard. He's the best at getting off the ball versus bump to


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[Assistant] You know, bump and run, man to man releases, right? He's the best there. He's, I'm not going to say the best with back shoulders and contested catches, but he's really good. He's right up there at the top in the conversation, right? And then you add all that into the incredible route runner.


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[Assistant] Right? And the only thing that you look at negatively is go, well, I wish maybe he was 6'3", but I don't think really it's going to matter in the long run with the way he jumps, the strength he has, and his natural instincts in playing the football the right way. Yet to me, he is a can't miss superstar type number one receiver.


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[Assistant] Right, there's, there's, there's gonna be some of those that, you know, some of the other big receivers probably having an advantage of them, but for a guy that's six foot, there's a number of plays where you go, damn, that was...


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[Assistant] Wow, I mean, that was a good job, right? You know, the DB was kind of all over him. The quarterback put it in the spot and he knew how to play it, use his body the right way, grab it that way. Uhm, you know, the hands thing.


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[Assistant] I really love his hands, his ability to track the deep ball or do anything like that is phenomenal. Right? I think the one thing they're probably talking about is yeah, being a little bit more as I talk about


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[Assistant] Snatch the ball out of the air, right? That's, that's to me, it's sometimes he can do this, right? Instead of just being like before the ball gets there, just grab it with your hands and rip it out of the air so you can run.


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[Assistant] You know, yea, if you are getting hit in the back, it quickens it up by a thousandth of a second, whatever, and takes away that boom boom.


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[Assistant] First thing combination of the two, right? Jefferson...


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[Assistant] Was really nuanced, good route runner, knew how to set people up.


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[Assistant] And was way more explosive than people gave him credit for, right? I mean, that's why I made him the number two receiver that year, if you remember, over guys like Jerry Judy, because I was like, man, there's plenty of...


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[Assistant] Film watching this guy run by people. What's everybody talking about, right? But it wasn't like crazy explosion, right? Jamar Chase was a little bit like the opposite of Justin Jefferson where you're like, it's crazy explosion. He doesn't quite have the nuance and running the routes and doing that neighbors has got a little bit of the combination of both.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to say he's as nuanced, as route running as Justin Jefferson is, but he's really close to it. And as far as the explosion with Jamar Chase, again, it's really close to it. I maybe would give Jamar Chase


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[Assistant] A little bit of an edge there, but it's not by much.


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[Assistant] So that's where I look at Neighbors and I look at it and go, wow, you got like the best of all three worlds here with this guy.


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[Assistant] Right? You can get him off the line of scrimmage, bring him in motion, and he can run, you know, intricate type of what I call Z routes, where you might fake the shallow cross and then come back out, do stuff like that, right? You can line him up at X and just go, hey, we need you over here, like did Bengals do with Jamar Chase?


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[Assistant] They're either going to W or if it's man to man, we'll throw it to you, right? That's what we're going to do. Or they can go, Hey, get in the slot and do some West Welker Julian Edelman stuff.


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[Assistant] And read the coverage and be that jitterbug you talked about. And I think he's got all that in his game, man. He's, he's, I loved watching him. I really did.


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[Assistant] It's Brian Thomas Jr. from LSU. Yes. I mean, where do I start? First off, has the size and look that you would expect from a guy that's top 10, top 12 in the, uh, in the draft conversation, right? I think that's where it starts. But then after that,


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[Assistant] When you get into, you know, the look of the player, the body, I mean it's a specimen, right? He's got a look of AJ Brown to him, in me. And maybe not quite as thick as AJ Brown, right? But a similar look and maybe even a hair more of a speed look.


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[Assistant] Right off the bat, right? The speed is elite. It's legit every bit to what his combine numbers say. 4-3-3, right? With, I believe it was, what, a 1-5-0, 10 yard split?


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[Assistant] All that matches up everybody. He's, he is every bit that explosive, if not even more. Right?


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[Assistant] Now, getting off the line of scrimmage, jump cuts, eh, you know, doing any of that, releases are phenomenal, and the ability to get on top of DBs or run by them is as good as anybody in the draft. It might be better than Malik neighbors, cause when he opens up, man does he cover a lot of ground because of his size, right? You know, after the catch, he's angry.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, him and neighbors to me, where they separate themselves, when they catch the ball, they are looking to score every time. Doesn't matter what it is. I caught a five yard round, I think I can make this guy miss and go up the sideline for 70, right? You know, I caught a slam, I think I can run up the middle here and split these safeties and go for 70. That's where they're both different in my ability.


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[Assistant] So his ability to stack receiver, uh, DBs when he gets down the field. The releases are phenomenal. And then,


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[Assistant] For a bigger guy that's 6'3", 209 pounds, right, and can run the way he can, one, knows how to change speed, but two, really can stick his foot in the ground and cut, right? It's not like Malik Neighbors, because Malik Neighbors is like, like, put it on a real type stuff at times, right?


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[Assistant] This guy though, still, for the bigger receivers that we're talking about and this explosive type of guy,


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[Assistant] Man, he has still got the ability to be a great route runner. He is a very good route runner. He needs to learn a little nuance if I'm gonna be picky here about how to attack leverages maybe.


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[Assistant] How to lean a DB one way and set him up a little bit sometimes, right? That's something where like again, Marvin Harrison Jr. has a little bit of advantage of him in that area, but you know, the rest of the department


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[Assistant] Man, when you're talking about again, explosive, acceleration, 50-50 balls, right?


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[Assistant] And then the intermediate route running is all really top notch, let alone knowing how to use his body and shield people and catch the jump balls. I mean, you, I don't know how much you watched, but I know if you watched, you saw him run by people and you saw him catching jump balls where you were like, wow, that


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[Assistant] And that is, that's just for his other wide receivers?


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[Assistant] Wow, I'm surprised. I mean damn, receivers were killing, I guess, the bench press there.


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[Assistant] He made the right decision there, right? He was the guy that needed to work out. He was the guy, and again, remember I said this right after the combine, if it's not for Xavier Worthy running 421, Brian Thomas Jr. was going to be the guy we all talked about on the Monday after the combine.


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[Assistant] Because to be 210 and 433 and the vertical he had and everything along to go along with it and the day he had, he would have stole the show.


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[Assistant] Alright, so that, that hurt him a little bit as far as Xavier Worthy, but he's the type of guy that, that should have worked out. Right? He, he's the guy that...


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[Assistant] Like, yes, he knows he's a freak of nature and he opened up eyes with him doing that. And put everybody on notice to like, draft experts, guys who are working in organizations that haven't watched on film yet. They go, damn, I don't know, I haven't turned that guy on, but he certainly looks the part, being from LSU.


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[Assistant] He does. That's the biggest thing. Watch the Florida game. Exactly. He's a weapon, he's a game changer. You give him reverses, you can give him toss sweeps, and he can go to the house, right?


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[Assistant] He's change of direction ability for a guy his side and his fast is really impressive. Like you talked about with neighbors, breaks a lot of arm tackles, making cuts in traffic and people fall off of them.


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[Assistant] The body control is incredible. And then he's extremely twitchy for a guy his size.


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[Assistant] Ability to stick the foot in the ground. All are like really incredible. The ability to explode off the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] Gear it down to maybe look like he's about to run a 12 yard or 15 yard comeback and then put it, put the pedal to the metal again and take off on a double move or just get to Gibi to like think I might be sitting on an underneath route, right? And then to take off, there's nobody better in the draft than he is at that. I mean, there's nobody.


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[Assistant] He can go, oh, oh god, he's about to run a curl route and all of a sudden it looks like he's about to break down and then he takes off and you're like, whoa, right? That's where he is special. Uh, got another gear. He is a specimen and yeaah.


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[Assistant] I mean there's plenty of that. So, I think that's a little bit better than people realize. The thing where...


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[Assistant] You know, I think the NFL game is going to benefit him in a lot of ways. And one is really, I mean, it's go routes, it's six yard hitch routes.


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[Assistant] And it's a shallow cross and a slant. I mean, that's really all he runs for the most part. Yeah. Right? Uh, so, you know, again, you'd like to see more along those lines, but when you piece it all together, whether he's running routes or with the ball in his hands, I have no doubt about his ability to do all that. And, you know, the intermediate route stuff,


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[Assistant] Gosh, I had no problem with it. Again, it might have not been textbook out of the book, but I didn't look at it and go, oh wow, he really had a, you know, take a lot of extra steps to break in on the 20 yard incut. None of that. Maybe some of it could have been a little bit more precise.


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[Assistant] But yea, you know at times I think they just roll it in there and go get in there and get in the spot where he can find you and throw the football.


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[Assistant] Well he loves to show his ability, he loves to show his physicality, and then if somebody breaks open, he loves to run them down and give you that last extra block to get you in the end zone, right? That's what he is. I love that. Because he's, cause he's a freak.


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[Assistant] You know, once you got to Nick Saban, early 2000s in that era, it feels like they got a freaky DB or a freaky wide receiver almost every year. I do like their unis, but these guys live up to the unis, right? This is, this is as a duo.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he still makes a lot of good throws, and just like every great receiver, they're not wide open all the time, right? There's plenty of plays where you go, that's a tight window, he had to throw it in there, right? So, no, and, and, you know, I know we have that, and that's where you gotta,


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[Assistant] Decipher through it, right? I've had guys where we had two in one year where I went, people are wide open and the talent's great and they're just not as enough of those high level throws that I like.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow with his year. Yea, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson were open a lot, but there was like 4,000 other throws where it was tight as hell or how the hell did you read the play that quick and how'd you put that ball perfectly right there in that spot to tell me it doesn't matter if they're separate a lot or whatever. I've seen enough here to know this guy can do it, right? That's where you gotta


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[Assistant] Maybe trust a guy like me that's been around it my whole life and trust that I'm looking into that type of nuance, right? Where...


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[Assistant] Alabama and Tua, I was saying, ooh, this window's kind of tight, ooh, he didn't want to throw that in there, or he didn't have the control to throw it exactly where he needed to, right? So I was, I don't know if I love that.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's wide open, yeaah, he hit it, right, okay, but that's what I was here for, it's what I was here for to say, hey Justin Herbert, nobody was open that same year, right, he's better than Tua, it's just nobody is open everybody, nobody, right, so I'm here to kind of


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[Assistant] Sift through the, the bullshit that let's say that's out there. Not that I'm always right, but you know, again, I've been around it and you know I'm obsessed with it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's more times I feel like that. That's harder, right? Because sometimes they just are not afforded the opportunities, they're not in spots where you can show yourself the right way, right? Pooka, I think, was probably a part of that a little bit.


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[Assistant] His last year, they weren't great on offense, they didn't have a great quarterback, right? So I think some of that hurt him and probably is what led to my mis-evaluation on other people, you know? So yea, that's, that's, uh, I, I,


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[Assistant] More open field and all that, you get to see a bigger canvas for them to work with.


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[Assistant] Marvin Harrison Jr. Marvin Harrison Jr.


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[Assistant] Let me get this straight to, just to make this comment, right? Cause I know most people go, oh, you know, you bought him at three, whatever.


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[Assistant] It's what I believe, but I really like this player. A little bit like the quarterbacks, right? There's been other years, even at the receiver position where I've gone, I like the top two or three guys, but four and five. I mean, yeah, I gotta make a four and five for the list or whatever, but I don't love them, right?


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[Assistant] Marvin Harrison's won, I think, in a good amount of years, right? Marvin Harrison, and like I was saying here just before that, I like all these guys we're going to talk about today. Like, I don't look at any of them and go, ooh, I, I'm not sure, or ee, ooh, uh, I see this, but, uh, ugh. Like, no, I have no doubts here. I mean, this is a really damn good football player and every bit worthy of this top 10, top 15 conversation.


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[Assistant] You know, beast or freak that the other two guys are on the explosive aspect of the position, right? Yeah, speed, ability to get off the ball and accelerate and get on top of DBs right away, right? It's not bad. Again, don't get me wrong, he can do it.


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[Assistant] But he can't do it at the consistency and the success level, neighbors or Brian Thomas can't. Like Brian Thomas and neighbors, if it's man to man, it was like,


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[Assistant] If they got a go route, they're going to run by the guy and it's going to be a touchdown, right? It was like, it wasn't like, oh, he might get by. Marvin Harrison, so much good, but with stuff like that, you know, there was plenty of plays where it was like, well, now he's not going to get around this guy and he knows it. He's not even going to try.


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[Assistant] You know, his speed is of not that caliber, but it's still good speed. And of course the size is awesome. His ability to catch the ball and get up the field is really impressive. I mean, it's like seamless. He doesn't waste a second, right?


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[Assistant] You know, he's, he's got good size, he plays with really good play strength, right? He knows how to use his size to his advantage, right? Talking about the adjusting to balls, boxing people out, go routes, shielding them all, doing all that, right? You know.


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[Assistant] He wins almost every physical battle as far as 50-50 jump balls or even like DBs that are PI'ing them or holding them down the field. He fights through it and still gets awesome. He's got tremendous body control which leads into what we're talking about, the 50-50 jump balls. It's incredible. I mean it really is. And then, hey, where he's got


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[Assistant] An advantage over a guy like Brian, like, so I don't think he's as physically gifted at running the routes as Brian Thomas.


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[Assistant] Like, I don't think he can explode out. I don't think he can break down. I don't think he can cut.


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[Assistant] At as precise level as Brian Thomas can, right? So just as a route runner that way, I like Brian Thomas more.


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[Assistant] But I do think he's a better nuance to route runner. And what I mean by that is this. One, he knows how to play with the DB according to how the defense is, right? You always hear me say he knows how to attack leverages, right? So he really knows how to push the DB to a spot.


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[Assistant] Right, according to the route he's running. Ooh, you know, this DB doesn't want me to go this way, so he's really overplaying not to let me go that way. Let me bring him over there even farther, and then as soon as I get him to an uncomfortable spot, boom, I'm gonna hit the brakes and come back out, right?


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[Assistant] That's where he's really good. Or changing the speed of his routes, again. Another guy. He's kinda gliding, oh, he's gonna run the deep crossing route. He kinda just gonna stride me out and run.


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden, BOOMie hits it real hard and comes back out and breaks out and runs a corner route, right? So that's where he's really good. There's no doubt about it. And he is, you know, I think still got room to be a better route runner. I think that'll happen.


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[Assistant] And I just think ultimately what it is is, and you know me, it's the explosive ability, it's the plays after the catch that are not, well yes, right, cause you're gonna go, I know you watched, and you're gonna go, yea, they're not on the same level as the other two guys with the ball in his hands. So as you know, I don't know if I mentioned this,


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[Assistant] You know, you see the route running there, right? There's some extra steps at times that you don't love, right? Here's again.


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[Assistant] Like, you watch Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Jr. on these, like, this is See Ya Later. Like, they're gonna go right by ya. He, right, he's almost playing for, ooh, he's gonna throw me the jump ball or back shoulder ball, right? He knew he wasn't gonna explode by the guy. You know, and there's definitely more of that.


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[Assistant] Right? As far as not being able to stack the guy or scare the guy with his speed and back them off as compared to the other two, let alone that plays into our, you know, yards after catch thing where I think that's where you're going. That was where I was going to take the conversation.


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[Assistant] That's right, and I think a little bit, listen, and again, you know, I think a little bit's name


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[Assistant] You know, so, you know, name, the school he was at, right? The production he's putting on the field. They put out NFL receivers every year. You know, he's kind of like no shit. He's going to be a top 20 pick for like three years here, right? I think the draft community jumps on him because he's just a safe pick, right? He's all of that.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, and, and like I said, he's awesome. I mean, if I'm playing quarterback and you tell me I got Mario Managing Junior, I'm like, yeah, sure, no problem. But yeah, the other guys to me are special separation type wide receivers, right? They separate. That to me was ultimately where I went, right? You know, I,


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[Assistant] The route running, there's a lot of nuance and good, it's not crisp like I said, right? You know.


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[Assistant] He does release off the ball really well, but you know, ultimately doesn't separate as well as guys like I said, Brian Thomas Jr. or neighbors. He's not, he's not that.


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[Assistant] Right? Knows how to use his body. He's natural like his dad in a lot of ways. I love how he can kind of weave through traffic and not break, you know, uh, his stride when he does run after the catch and do all of that. Right?


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[Assistant] Like to your point, it's not going to be like, he's running really hard, boom, jams his foot in the ground and cuts somewhere else and a guy's like, whoa, and he falls over and breaks his ankle and then he runs by people. That's not what he's going to do.


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[Assistant] Like he caught the ball and the guy was flying up to try to tackle him for like a one or two yard loss. And he just made that guy miss and went and got like another few yards, right? They weren't where the other guys were like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, catching an in-cut and then errrr, stopping and then going, wait, I gotta run back this way really fast. Oh, I'm running back this way and I'm turning the corner. I might go the distance. Oh, they pushed me out of the 20. That, that is to be where, you know,


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[Assistant] The, the other guys separate here, but, really good player, and, let me ask you this, and I don't fuh, you know,


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[Assistant] He's a little overranked not to his, it's not his fault.


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[Assistant] Right? You hear me say this all the time. There's too many, there's too many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to this conversation. Sometimes unqualified people make qualifying statements and then all of a sudden the whole draft community, every sports show, they all just jump on it. Right?


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[Assistant] Or Larry Fitzgerald, or even Jamar Chase. Because with those guys, you turned it on, you went, he's gone, he's gone, he's gone, he's gone. Oh, they're bumping him, he's gonna be gone here in a second. He's gone! Right? They caught a slam, he's got a, he got him by a foot. He's gone. Right? That's, those are those guys. Right? Who else am I missing?


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[Assistant] You know, I'm probably missing a few other names. AJ Green, I would say him back then. Julio Jones. Julio Jones, right. I saw Julio Jones run three routes at the Rose Bowl and I went, he's gonna go in the top three. I was like, that's no doubt. That guy looks like that and he runs and cuts like that. I was like, holy shit. That's who the top three.


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[Assistant] Definitely not. Definitely not. Definitely not. Right, no. Like, if the Bears, they pick Kelly Williams at one, and let's just say, somehow, maybe Malik Nabors and Brian Thomas Jr. go off the board before they pick at number nine.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to be like, aww, they got stuck with Marv- they took Marvin Harrison Jr. at nine? That's crazy. No, no, not at all. Not at all. Absolutely not. He's a player. There's no doubt about it. These other two guys I think are


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[Assistant] Little bit more ballers than he is, but no, he is worthy of that and definitely better than some other guys we've seen picked it, you know, eight or seven or 10 or whatever in years past.


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[Assistant] It's a, I mean, it's, it's a special, special group. You guys every year got receivers and you usually got a quarterback that can chuck the ball pretty damn good too. Not you guys, you're not on their team. I don't know why I'm saying that. You're talking to Buckeye fans out there. But yea, they do. They, they, uhm,


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[Assistant] They, they have got some, some big time players there as we know. It's Ohio State, come on. Every year I expect DBs and, DBs, pass rushers, wide receivers, you know, tackle, offensive tackle, like I just expect them to


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[Assistant] I can see that. Again, he's safe. Monty Osenfork coming from New England. You know.


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[Assistant] I think he'll like the lineage. I think he might favor the size. We'll see. It'll be interesting to see. I think this is going to be an interesting conversation. As we go here...


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[Assistant] Again, this is not one where I'm going, ooh, I just think I see it differently than everybody. I think as the real important evaluators get into this, I think you're gonna hear as this goes, people are gonna go, hey, it's really close between these three. This is not like, oh, Marvin Harrison Jr.'s slam dunk better than these guys. Not in my opinion.


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[Assistant] Is in the conversation for best route runner in the draft, certainly, right?


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[Assistant] That's what you're getting here with Romo Dunze. I mean, that's really what you're getting a guy ready like day one. He's ready for the NFL.


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[Assistant] He can play outside receiver, X or Z. You'd probably want him to play Z more than anything, but he can play X, you know, and with his route running ability, he can be a really effective in the slot type of wide receiver as well. That's where I really like him.


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[Assistant] Natural, instinctive, and does really everything well, Ahmed. I mean, you know, all the things we've kind of talked about with the other guys, adjusting the balls down the football field, back shoulders, all of that. He's incredible in those areas.


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[Assistant] The body language and route running, snapping it off, sticking your foot in the ground and being precise, right? Getting out of those breaks and separating from people that way, he's good there too. He can separate coming out of breaks and doing all that. That's where I really love him, right? You know, it's the...


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[Assistant] The look is great, right? Has a lot of like, you know, I don't even know what you want to say, Devonte Adams-ish, right? Type of look and talent to him.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that's where, yeaah, he's a real pro. And I think that's the big thing that you gotta look at when you're talking about Romo Dunze.


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[Assistant] Right, I mean, he's a player. He really is. There's no question about that, right? And I think like, you know, I talked about


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[Assistant] The, the, the natural, the instinctive, right, can, can separate out of breaks, out of transition when he's running routes against man to man coverage.


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[Assistant] But separate out of brakes and coverage and hey, he can run the shallow cross and stick his foot in the ground and get back out and accelerate up to top speed pretty quickly. But top speed is still an issue, right? That's where, again, like,


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[Assistant] Uh, a little bit like Harrison Jr., and I would say even more so with Romo Dunze, is there just, there's not enough separation. He's not going to blow by you for a 70-yard bomb, right? He got a lot of chances to catch bombs because they


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[Assistant] Drop back and everybody went deep and Pennex just was like cocked and boggled. I'm like, which one you gonna take? There's three guys deep. I'm gonna throw it to one of these guys. So he did that, but it wasn't like, oh man, there's guys on him like stick, like glue, right? And he's now pulling away from it. Oh, it's man to man. Watch out. It's not that.


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[Assistant] And that to me, again, is the element he's missing in his game compared to the other guys, especially the top two guys.


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[Assistant] He's like, that's why I say instinctive and knows how to play the game. And one, he knows when he's, he knows he's not going to run by a lot of people. So he gets to a point if he's at X receiver or whatever, he gets off the line of scrimmage, right? And you go and he goes,


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[Assistant] I'm not going to be able to run by this guy. So he's got great awareness of, wait, my quarterback is going to look at me.


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[Assistant] And he's gonna, he's gonna be thinking back shoulder cause I haven't got on top of this guy I haven't separated.


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[Assistant] So he does that, right? But like, hey, the contested catch rate and all that, that's great, right? I go, oh, that's great. It's a phenomenal skill he has. But at the same time, I go, the DBs and the NFL are better, right? They're better at playing the ball too. And yeah, it's contested a lot cause he doesn't run away from people.


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[Assistant] And that's to me, you know, again, where he needs a little...


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[Assistant] With the system, with an offense, right? And that's where I think ultimately he's a Z receiver. A guy that's off the ball, we put him in motion, he's an awesome slot receiver like that. To me, he's Keenan Allen, right? That's who I would say more than I said Devonte Adams before. Yea, Keenan Allen would be more


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[Assistant] Of who I see here in this football player. You know, Devontae Adams too, same type of thing, right? Uhm, but maybe Devontae is even a hair more explosive than I think Romo Dunze is.


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[Assistant] Six would be too high for me. Okay? It would be. But again, you know, when you're talking about receivers in the top ten, to me, there's gotta be some real special there.


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[Assistant] And I know he's a damn good football player. Here's another guy that I wrote down that he kind of reminds me of, and you've brought up this guy's name already twice during this podcast. It's, it's a little Jackson Smith and Jigba, right? Where...


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[Assistant] You know, out of the break and all that, the acceleration is really good, right? When he's at like, like Jackson Smith and Jigba, a little different where he was like,


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[Assistant] Good with the ball in his hand and all that. And he'd make people miss and separate that way, but like when it came to route running or getting open against man to man coverage, he didn't separate all that great. Remember? That's why one of the reasons I made up number two. I was just like, man, Zay Flowers separates from everybody. Jackson Smith and Jigba.


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[Assistant] It's kind of all yak, or hopefully the play puts me in space, and then I make a play after that, right? Which is cool, don't get me wrong, but it's a little bit more of that, right? And let me just like,


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[Assistant] Take you into my notebook here, just like, just a little here, word for, word for word. Natural deposition, you heard me say the adjust the ball, route running looks elite.


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[Assistant] Can play outside of course, but he is in a Z. Probably best at Z are in the slot. Reminds me of Jaxon Smith and Jigba.


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[Assistant] Go routes. Knows he can't run by you. Look for back shoulders. Always. Explosion acceleration. Better when he comes out of brakes. I wish it was better.


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[Assistant] When he was getting off the ball or beating bump man to man coverage. You can't just line him up outside and think, ooh, he is going to separate from top NFL CBs, never really runs away from college CBs, not Jamar, Chase, Tyreek, JJ, GJ Moore.


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[Assistant] You know, savvy, smooth, natural, instinctive route runner needs a little bit of a system and a route running offense to me. That's kinda how I looked at him. The other guys I think are clearly all top 15 picks. I think he's probably somewhere 15 to 25 in my world. That's kinda how I look at it. So still a first rounder. Definitely a first rounder.


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[Assistant] I don't know, you know, hey, one of the biggest negatives with him is really just like, damn, I wish they threw the ball more and gave him more chances. Cause I just think if he was in one of these other offenses, we'd all go, whoa, he's definitely a first round pick.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, really good route runner. All I kept saying and what I said to you before the show, I kept watching and going, I feel like I'm watching Steve Smith from back in the day. Steve Smith. There's a Stefan Diggs type of vibe I get from the guy overall. Right? But again, another guy where


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[Assistant] You know, he might not be as thick as Malik neighbors, but has a body that I like. You know, it's, it's, it's 5'11", 185 at the combine. I think he played at the one nineties when he was at Michigan or at least that's what they led me to believe when I was there in person. Right. But like route running.


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[Assistant] It rivals the best in the draft and route running, okay? So he's, he's right there with


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[Assistant] The Romo Doonsays of the world, as far as being able to stick the foot in the ground, burst it out of cuts, right?


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[Assistant] Being really sharp and precise with stuff like that. Also, like a Marvin Harrison Jr. and a dunze knows how to like lean people off of him, right? You're covering me man to man. I'm kind of pushing you this way, but I'm really just pushing this way. So cause boom, I'm going to hit it. You hit this way and just get you a little space that way, right? He's really good at all that. He is really sudden and twitchy. I mean, really.


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[Assistant] He's as close as you get to neighbors as far as like,


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[Assistant] Oh no, he put the brakes on, oh it's too late, now he's caught the ball and he's making you miss, right? So that's where I really like him.


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[Assistant] And I wrote that his releases are also in the level of the top guys. When he is at the line of scrimmage, mother.


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[Assistant] Freaker gets off, bump and runs coverage as good as anybody in the draft. It's right up there. I wrote, in his releases, Neighbors, in fact, is maybe the only one better than Wilson, as far as getting off the ball different ways, doing it that way.


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[Assistant] I talked about the sticking in the foot in the ground, has inside outside value. Another guy too, see, to me, has more outside value than really probably Romo Dunze.


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[Assistant] You know, because he can just blow by people. He's going to be able to release and go and it's going to put people, let alone he can really stick his foot in the ground like Rome. But I think he's going to scare people with his ability to like, Oh no, he's going over the top. He's going deep. I better watch out here. Right? So that's where he has that type


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[Assistant] Rips the ball out of the air with his hands.


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[Assistant] Go up and get it and arches back and he snatches it out of the ground, comes down, makes a guy miss and then turns it up to silent almost scores. Right? So that to me, he's like reverse like, you know, how we've talked about


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[Assistant] Oh, like what if Justin Herbert played at Alabama? What would that look like? He's like one where I want to go. What would Roman Wilson look like if he played at Washington or something like that?


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[Assistant] It's physically. The size, that's what it is, right? But I think when you watch the film and then you go, damn, this guy plays a lot stronger than somebody that's 185 pounds. And then you start to go, damn, he's really crafty at the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] People can have a hard time getting their hands on them anyways. So screw that. Let alone he's strong, like I said, pound for pound. And then when you look at like, you know, the 40-yard dash and the 10-yard split time, again, the, like, the, you know, 1, 5, 2, 10-yard split, and he'd be one where I would have guessed it was even faster if you watched film. I don't usually look at those times till after.


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[Assistant] Or at least I've watched about 10 to 15 plays, and then I go, oh, let me see, let me make sure what his times were. He would have been one where I would like, I watched 10 or 15 plays, and I went,


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[Assistant] I bet you he ran like 1-4-9 or 1-5 flat, and it was 1-5-2. But at like watching him accelerate and do all that, again, to me that's where, you know, I really love the player, has a little bit of that third down running back body you know that I like, you know.


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[Assistant] He can do it all with the ball in his hands. And, you know, has the awesome hands like you talked about. His play strength is great. His Yak is really good.


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[Assistant] Route running is as good as anybody in the draft. He's got incredible hips and feet that are elite. And yea, to me, I wrote, you know, he's an end to the first round, 25 to 45. Steve Smith Jr. Senior, I should say, is the guy he really reminds me of. And of course I got a lot of up close looks at him in my life.


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[Assistant] No, I, I know, and it's gonna give me a lot of negative comments, I'm sure.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but, gosh, like I said, first off, I like all five of these guys. I really do.


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[Assistant] I think all our first round picks and I know I have Marvin Harrison in junior and he's going to be the one everybody looks at. I know I have him in tier two and is number three. Those other two guys above him are special, special physical specimens and players too.


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[Assistant] Right, they just didn't get the attention. Right, but they are really damn good. And in saying that, Marvin Harrison Jr. is still...


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[Assistant] A top 10 or top 12 or top 15 pick for me. There's no doubt about that. So I don't want this to be an indictment on the player because I know how that can go on social media and everybody can try to turn him against me and everybody against me there and that's just not the case. We've got mad respect for


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[Assistant] You know, quicks and good feet. He's not exactly the most sharp route runner, right? There's a lot of steps.


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[Assistant] When so, like he's good at like making people miss side to side or he catches a screen or does all that. But when it comes to like run the route, boom, come out, do that. No, there's extra steps involved, right? Let alone the speed's not as, uh, you know, game breaking as at least I was expecting there, right? Um, you know, but, but has a body type of like, uh, a Devante Smith.


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[Assistant] Uh, Chris Olave, really good football player. I just think he's like, I put 35 to 55. And he reminded me a lot of like Tyler Boyd, right? That's who I look at. Tyler Boyd, the receiver of the Cincinnati Bengals. I believe he was, uh,


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[Assistant] Second round pick at a pit, somewhere in there. He might have been third, I might be wrong, but right around that area. But that's who I kinda looked at him as, as being a player. Uh, he's got good shake, I said that, side to side quicks, all that. Uh, but he doesn't explode like some of the top tier guys. You know, let alone, he's got a little bit more of a frail build.


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[Assistant] Uh, compared to the other guys as well to where, you know, the playing through the bump and grind and pushiness there is not his expertise.


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[Assistant] He, he and uhm, well, we're gonna have one other guy we're gonna talk about too that I think had the catch of the year. That's definitely one of them that's up there. Pearsaw. I mean, he's the guy, again, you know.


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[Assistant] Cooper Cup, Adam Thielen, whatever, that's what he looks like to me, right? It's not gonna blow you away, right? Like he ran 4-4-1 at the Combine, right? Everybody runs 4-4 now, so it's like, it's like not as impressive anymore. I will say on film, like, I'm not sure I saw 4-4-1, it was damn good, but you talk about like, cutting out a dime,


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[Assistant] Setting up, setting up the DB, right, body language to make the guy think I'm going this way. I mean, that to me was where he was really, really special, let alone he's, he's bigger human being than I thought he was. You know, 6'1", 190.


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[Assistant] Right? He can play a little bit more of a physical brand than I expected. I guess I expected total jitterbug here with that guy. And what I saw more is a guy that was like, oh no.


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[Assistant] We got inside-outside ability here, right? Might be best in the slot, but you're not gonna be like, oh man, he's outside.


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[Assistant] We can't throw to him. No, he's going to be able to scare people enough with his, his size and his route running and his speed. But yeah, when I looked at him, I kind of felt like it was a Adam Thielen, Alec Pierce.


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[Assistant] You know, from uh, the Indianapolis Colts coming out of Cincy. That type of player, right?


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[Assistant] You know, and one of the things I wrote at the end is history tells me this kind of guy, this kind of guy will get even better in the NFL. Really good quicks, route runner, yak, can do it all. And again, because of the size of the human being and his structure of his body, the physical part of the game, uh, he is not affected by that.


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[Assistant] It's just straight speed, right? I think that's the big thing, and it's impressive, and it's certainly a role for that type of guy, but that's what it is. It's not as, you know, nuanced route running, you know, and believe it or not, like, there's not a ton of yak. I mean, if it's a straight line, it's gone, right?


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[Assistant] But it's not like, there's never like, ooh, I broke this guy's ankle, I ran here, ooh, I made another guy miss and then I took off and cut across the field and it's all like, it's not that.


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[Assistant] It's a little bit more of a straight liner, and I think between that and, you know, the size and all of that as well, yeaah, he's, again, a guy that certainly can have a role, but I don't think he's like drafted in the...


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[Assistant] Top two rounds, definitely not. You know, maybe as you get to the end of three and four, I think that's where I find I see Xavier worthy.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's, now Adonai's tough here in that he's a little bit potential based, okay?


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[Assistant] He's a potential base because of his size, his look, all of that stuff is like what you want, right? When you turn on the film, you go, oh, I like the way this guy looks, right? He's pigeon-toed, he's got thick legs, right? You're thinking, oh, okay, we got, we're onto something here, but you know,


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[Assistant] Like, as you got to go and watch it more and more, I don't think he's nearly as fast as his combine numbers. He does not separate like some of the top guys we've talked about, right?


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[Assistant] You know, I, as I write my notes, I go, yeah, I'm starting to question about, you know, explosion, you know, getting off the ball out of breaks. There's not a ton of there. I do like, he's got good wiggles, good wiggle in his hips and stuff like that to where it shows me there's potential to become a route runner, but there's not a lot of suddenness to his routing, rut running, I mean.


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[Assistant] There's no urgency off the line of scrimmage. Sometimes there's no changing or urgency and explosion at the top of the routes just to get that little extra


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[Assistant] Let me get you to turn your hips because you think I'm going somewhere and then I put the brakes on. There's none of that. It's a little too all the same speed, methodical. For a guy that's 6'2", 205 and ran 4'34", he goes down on contact immediately and doesn't really do much after the catch.


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[Assistant] Rob probably will be overdrafted because of the measurables, but has a little work to do as far as, you know, becoming a complete wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Is that out of the norm? Those are to me like things that are a little too nitpicky at times, right? Where I just go...


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[Assistant] You know, listen, I could show you other star receivers here and they know the ball's going over there and they're giving you, you know, 50% or 70% over here, but you're not nitpicking at them, right? So, you know, it does go on. Is it to a point where...


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[Assistant] Like, a lot. Okay? The problem with Keon Coleman is just this 40 time.


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[Assistant] He can accelerate and he can really stick his foot in the ground. Like really stick his foot in the ground. Like can make people miss about as good as anybody in the draft at receiver where you're like, whoa, he's running to the sidelines and he just jams his foot and the guy goes flying by and he cuts and makes a move.