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[Assistant] Chris, and you were not in the consensus here because a lot of people thought Najee Harris was a step above the rest. He was number one consensus, he was the first off the board.


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[Assistant] You had Travis ETN first. You were very rare in having Najee Harris fourth. And I think, you know, nothing against Najee Harris. He's been asked to do a lot with very little. But that explosive nature that you didn't see in college has not been there in the pros either.


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[Assistant] There was a debate about two guys on North Carolina that year. You had Javante Williams. You also had Michael Carter. Most people liked Williams better than Carter. You took Carter over Williams. They both shone flashes in the NFL.


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[Assistant] We do have it right here, yeaah. He was... He was 4th round, yeaah. Pick 120 in the draft. So yeaah, we'll get into that discussion too, because I think that's an interesting discussion. So that was 2021, and then last year...


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[Assistant] You were also bucking the trend a little bit, because I think most people thought, kind of like this year, that it was a clear number one. I think most people were saying, Breece Hall was a clear number one last year. And when he was healthy, he looked awesome. But I think you were proven right in that Kenneth Walker, who you did have number one, at times looked like he was in that same conversation as Breece Hall.


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[Assistant] You weren't as high on Isaiah Spiller as most people. He was consensus third. You didn't have him in your top five. He ended up going off the ninth, running back off the board.


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[Assistant] Uh, James Cooke, everyone kinda liked him, didn't pop in Buffalo the first year. Uh, I do like your Damian Pierce, you had him in your top 5, you made sure that, he was Consensus 7th, uh, and he looks like the top 5.


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[Assistant] You had him 5. You had Ty Davis Price 5. He was drafted by the 49ers. So what did I have? Pierce 4th? You had Pierce. Cause you have 5 there for him too.


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[Assistant] So, as you saw at the bottom of that graphic as well, Tyler Elgier was the 12th running back off the board, and he was awesome in his first year with Atlanta, 5th round pick.


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[Assistant] And Isaiah Pacheco, seventh round pick by the Chiefs playing in the Super Bowl and playing a huge role in the Super Bowl. So I think part of it, you've spoken to a little bit of it.


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[Assistant] I think the idea that running backs are a dime a dozen, you can get a good one in the first round of the seventh round. I mean, we've seen good ones in the seventh round.


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[Assistant] I think maybe more of that is, it's not that they're all the same, it's that maybe, as you just mentioned, we have a harder time identifying which ones will be the studs and which ones won't be. I think so, I think so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, I think this is all good. We're gonna get into some of the stuff as we go through some of these specific players. But it does kind of sound like you have maybe not changed the way you look at this or scout this position, but you're, you're weighing more factors and different factors than you did maybe two years ago.


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[Assistant] Elton Puka on Twitter, he goes, why do you keep massively overrating speed at the running back position? Man, this was like your own brain. This is like the devil in the angel. Elton Puka, that's your own devil. You tweeted this to yourself. Nobody is breaking 50 yard runs in the NFL, maybe once a month. And so.


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[Assistant] We looked at it, Pete got a stat here, there were 30 runs of 50 or more yards this season in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Titan named Theo says when evaluating running backs, how much weight do you put into skills such as vision and balance compared to the other skills?


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[Assistant] So one more question before we get to your rankings. Dylan Feltovich says, I know you've said that age doesn't affect your rankings for other positions, but does the age of a running back coming out of college affect how you view them? More of the, the carries would maybe scare me.


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[Assistant] Would you wait on a running back? Is it deep? Or are there some guys at the top here that you might target?


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[Assistant] With you, we never know. Alright, time to get into the Chris Sims 2023 running back draft prospect rankings. We broke these down into tiers once again. And maybe this is a shock to some people. There are two running backs in your tier number one. Well, yes.


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[Assistant] On NFL.com, they have a comp of Josh Jacobs with Bijan. Do you agree with that? Similar style? It is similar. It's, I think it's a


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[Assistant] You watch him play, you fall in love with him. I think, uh, there's a lot of numbers to back this up on why he is where he is right now. He was a five star recruit out of high school in Arizona there. He had over 2200 yards his senior year, 17 yards per carry as a senior.


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[Assistant] He doesn't always look, like, super, super fast, but no one's ever catching him. I was like, I was watching it, I was like, what is this?


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[Assistant] You know when your kids, like I have young kids and they blow bubbles and then they try to catch those bubbles and the bubbles just like float in there, sit in there, it seems like it's just in the air, you're like, just go grab it and then you go to move your hand to it and it just skirts away. It doesn't always look like I'm with you, that it's like 4-3 or 4-2 or anything like that.


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[Assistant] That's interesting. If you could, cause you were very high on Kenneth Walker, if you could almost combine those two running backs, Kenneth Walker with the home run ability, but I think some of the advanced metrics for him last year, he struggled to get more than expected on some of those short yardage situations. And he was kind of just, it's like, Hey, we supposed to get four there. He got two instead.


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[Assistant] Uh, the first running back has been the last couple of years. Do you think Bijon Robinson will be a top 10 pick? So.


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[Assistant] I mean, I was reading around on ESPN, Jeremy Fowler's talk, he goes, quote, I've talked to multiple teams or at least scouts with teams who believe that he is the best overall player in this entire draft.


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[Assistant] Better than the quarterbacks, better than everyone else. Daniel Jeremiah has him as the number three prospect on his big board, only behind Will Anderson at edge and Bryce Young at quarterback.


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[Assistant] You just said that as a GM, you probably wouldn't take a running back.


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[Assistant] Before pick number what, 15? It would be hard to. What if he's the best player in the draft, as some people think in the NFL?


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[Assistant] So let's take a look at the round one running backs who have been drafted since the year 2011 and this is...


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[Assistant] We have it separated by options picked up and then options not exercised. And so as you see, if you're watching on Peacock and YouTube, and if you're not, we'll try to explain it to you. There have been far more who have not had their options picked up after that first initial rookie contract. The ones who have had it exercised, you know, Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliott.


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[Assistant] I mean, they haven't really necessarily worked out. I think if you go back in time, maybe you don't do that. Christian McCaffrey and Saquon Barkley also in that crew have just had injuries.


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[Assistant] So, that's part of it too, is that you draft one of these offensive linemen or edge guys or defensive tackle. You're planning on exercising.


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[Assistant] That, you know, fifth year and hopefully resigning him to another deal after that.


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[Assistant] But that, that almost points to, cause they got it with Tyler Algier last year. It points to a team like, we've built our team to be able to run the ball no matter who's running there. You know, not no matter who. I know what you mean.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was interesting because they both are electric in a little bit different ways, but uh, Gibbs was awesome in high school, back in Georgia, 40 touchdowns his senior year, but was kind of lightly recruited.


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[Assistant] And was a three-star recruit, went to Georgia Tech, then kinda was re-ranked as a four-star recruit, but I like this, you know what he said? What? Bigger school, started recruiting him, he goes, Noah, I'm gonna stay at Georgia Tech, I'm gonna play there. And then after two years, he went to Alabama.


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[Assistant] But I like that he initially stuck it out there, uh, because, uh, he honored his original commitment there, but yeah, his 4.3640 yard dash time at the count line, second among running backs.


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[Assistant] But that would be the worry that you would get the Christian McCaffrey injuries too with that slight frame, slight body. One NFL exec said on NFL.com, they quoted him saying whenever Alabama's offense would hit a wall, they would get Gibbs involved in the passing game and he could bridge the gap for him. We got a question here from MMA born sender.


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[Assistant] We got two more things we can do with him. We can scout his pro day. I like doing that live on the pod here. Oh, I'd like to see that too. I haven't seen him on his pro day. Hopefully it's in fast motion. Sometimes they give a slow motion video. Oh, this looks regular speed. Got a hand off, cut to the left, right, gone.


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[Assistant] In a good way. He is 200 pounds at 5'9", so that shouldn't surprise me.


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[Assistant] We'll end on his gon. Right. We'll take a look at his measurables here for Jameer Gibbs. What kind of gon does he have? Eight. We got eight. Ooh, not a great gon. So, you know, weight there, I mean, like we mentioned, the size is, is lesser than 25th percentile in height, 14th percentile in weight.


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[Assistant] Wingspan, I don't know how important that is, maybe catching some of those balls, arm length, not great, but you get into that 10 yard split and 40 yard dash and that's where he does excel.


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[Assistant] Well, I like that because your top two running backs are different from each other and now your number three running back is certainly different than those top two. So we're moving out of tier one. You had two running backs in your tier one. We go to tier number two and there's just one man in tier two.


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[Assistant] So here's the numbers. So Gibbs 10 yard split was 1.52, same as Johnson. Uhm, but Gibbs' 40 yard dash was 4.36, which is in the 97th percentile. And the 40 yard dash for Johnson was 4.58, which is in the 40th percentile.


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[Assistant] You were watching the highlights. I think his yards after contact were the best. Cause I watched the main order. I watched Robinson. I watched Gibbs. Then I watched Johnson. I was like, man, he's getting more yards after contact than those guys. Cause no one's touching the other guys, but.


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[Assistant] Exactly, yeaah. So I think that, that's his game. And will he be able to run over those dudes in the NFL? I mean, he is big, he's 6 foot, 220. Yeaah. But this is the crazy thing, and you mentioned that...


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[Assistant] You know, don't overlook him because he was behind Robinson. He was also not recruited as a running back in high school. He was a quarterback in Texas, a running quarterback, but also through quite a bit had 7,000 passing yards in his high school career was a four star recruit. And then he was moved to running back in his freshman year.


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[Assistant] Great feat. Here's one thing though. Let me throw this at ya.


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[Assistant] In watching it, I was like, alright, are we getting tricked by some awesome offensive line for Texas? And I don't think they have a whole lot of top recruits, but you know, they're Texas. And those dudes are good. I was like, part of me was like, are we getting fooled by a good scheme and a good offensive line that's making life easy for these guys?


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[Assistant] Sometimes you spar with PFF, you go back and forth, right? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, the year before that, yeaah, just one in the second round, Gervonta Williams was the only second round, and then he got a lot of, even just one third, and then a lot of fourths and fifths, sixths.


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[Assistant] So you have two running backs in your tier 3 that you think are kinda close together.


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[Assistant] And your fourth and fifth running back in the draft class this year. And there's probably more guys that are in this tier that we'll get to in your honorable mentions part of it. Um, but, uh, let's move on to your number four running back in the 2023 draft class. A guy that near and dear to my heart, my alma mater.


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[Assistant] Right, so you knew about this? Yea, yea, you were at the Combine. Yea. This is your patented question, which you try to, I mean you did the same thing when Connor was here, you're like kind of picking his brain on some things. Right. It's like you're trying to get a little head start on your, on your note taking. What do other people see? And so you asked the edge guy from Clemson, who'd you have a hard time tackling?


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[Assistant] We finally get the one that matched him together. So he was not a big recruit out of high school, just a three star recruit, went to high school in Maryland, but then had a huge year in 2021. That really was his breakout season, almost 1500 rush yards. He broke Joe Morris's school record.


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[Assistant] Very rare. A Syracuse guy in your top 5. I'm so pleased that that has happened.


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[Assistant] We are staying in the Big Ten though for your fifth and final running back, who I do know there was some debate on who to go with. There was, there was.


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[Assistant] He had 328 carries last year, Pete says in my ear, 1,643 rushing yards, fourth most in college football. And he won the John Cornish trophy.


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[Assistant] As the top Canadian player in college football. What's more of an honor? Winning the John Cornish trophy or being in tier three of Kristen's rankings?


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[Assistant] My dad's running back, back in the day. My dad's Canadian. I don't know who John Cornish is. He's probably very good. He's obviously a very good player. Nine seasons with the Calgary Stampeters.


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[Assistant] One thing is for sure, he is a top five running back in the eyes of Chris Simms. So we'll get into the honorable mentions here in a second, but let's just recap it, take a look, what we did. Two in tier one, that might be maybe the biggest surprise here. You had Bijan Robinson number one, but you also like Jameer Gibbs there too. Rashaun Johnson, another Texas guy. What if, I mean-


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[Assistant] If, so if Gibbs just gained 15, 16 pounds, they'd be...


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[Assistant] Ornage Top 5. Sorry, I'm just moving on. It's an all Ornage Top 5.


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[Assistant] I thought he was going to be in the top five. Yeah. So what did you think of him?


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[Assistant] Uh, can be patient and slippery, not afraid to lower his shoulder, and when watching him, I did not realize he was as big as he is. He's like 6 foot 220 or something like that.


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[Assistant] There are a couple players that are going to be in other people's top five who are not in your top five. And one of them is UCLA running back Zach Charbonnet.


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[Assistant] Uh, he transferred from Michigan. Had a pretty good year. Some big games. You look at some of his biggest games, you're like, man, he was the only guy on offense for UCLA. Uh, but he's not in your top five.


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[Assistant] You liked him, but you just didn't love him. And you have to love him to put him in the top five of Chris Sims and put him on that graph.


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[Assistant] How about the fastest running back at the Combine this year? The guy from Texas A&M, we got Devon Achain, 4.32, 40 yard dash.


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[Assistant] Nothing was there. You know, it's funny on NFL.com, they have a NFL player comparison to Isaiah Pacheco and we have a question. It's the same build. Greavesy101, viewer from Scotland. Love this time of year for the Sims draft content.


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[Assistant] I'm glad that you like it. Who from this year's running back class could be the next? Isaiah Pacheco. So maybe not necessarily in running style, but a guy who's like late seventh round. Let's take a flyer on this guy. Wow. He's a huge part of our offense.


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[Assistant] Sure, sure. So maybe not any of these guys you've talked about already, obviously, being that Seventh-Round guy, but real quick before we get to maybe one or two questions from the homies about your other positions here, we have Deuce Vaughn from Kansas State and we also have Eric Gray from Oklahoma listed here as perhaps in the discussion as Robin Hood guys for you.


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[Assistant] That's why we like to do this graphic. And I don't know if we've shown it already, Pete and Kristen back there, but the Sims Robin Hood running backs because.


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[Assistant] We're gonna end with this. We've got a couple that are not questions here from the homies, but.


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[Assistant] They are, this is actually going to get you in a good mood as you end here. They're compliments to you. Whoa, what's going on here? So we got one about your, uh, your cornerback rankings that we did last time. Scout.


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[Assistant] Since you went there, I'll just give you one from our guy Vish Kumaran. We like when Vish chimes in, he goes, are you scared about


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[Assistant] Devin Witherspoon's vertical speed. I get that the film is out of this world with all that underneath stuff. Probably would be a great nickel with his quickness and quick trigger. But the times he was challenged vertically, he got run by. And so Doug Farrer says on 15 targets of 20 or more yards downfield last season,


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[Assistant] He allowed one reception for 39 yards, no touchdowns and two interceptions, so seemed to do pretty well on that.


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[Assistant] So Vish did send some video to support his claim here, so maybe even having said all of that, I mean take a look at him getting beat on this versus Wisconsin.


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[Assistant] That's a good question to end it on, but you know what? We have one more. We always like to do one more thing and we do that because we love Colombo and I love that show. It was one of my favorite growing up. And now there's a new show on Peacock that's similar to Colombo called Poker Face. And so before we go, we got one more thing and that is from Dr. Casper.


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[Assistant] On Twitter, if you want to follow him, there's Colombo. Hey, hat tip to you too, as well, which is also streaming on Peacock right now. Hey, I'm a ghost boo.


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[Assistant] Is his Twitter handle. He goes, long time listener. Appreciate all you do. Let's put this to rest.


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[Assistant] He goes, it's smart people. He goes, colors, invisible spectrum of light go like the colors of the rainbow. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. And so once and for all, orange is between red and blue. Okay.


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[Assistant] Emmanuel Forbes, Sifo Bain, just listen to your cornerbacks pod. You didn't mention Emmanuel Forbes, but he is getting a lot of round one buzz despite only weighing 166 pounds. Where would you rank him? He's from Mississippi State.


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[Assistant] Exactly. We'll see you Monday. You'll be back Monday, right? I'll be back Monday. So we got tight ends on Wednesday with you and Connor. Yep. And then Monday, I think it is, we going big butts. Edge! We're going edge. There's only 97,000 of them for me to watch this.


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[Assistant] You wake up tomorrow, you got no one to scout, it's 420, it's like the Chris Sims day.


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[Assistant] Thank you. I'm going to think about that as the day goes on. You're not done yet though, because you have scouted them. You've looked at all the tape. Maybe every guy, almost every guy who will be drafted this year, which is amazing. I'm going to say this too. No one else is doing that in this, in this business, in this industry. Thank you. You know, there are some guys that are looking at the top guys, I think, and maybe some at some positions, but


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[Assistant] I would venture a guess that you have looked at more tape than almost any TV analyst out there.


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[Assistant] And you have your unique take, of course, and that's why everyone tunes in, and that's why we do these lists, and that's why we finish it today with two positions. So right at the end, don't hang it up yet, don't relax, don't take your foot off the gas, because we have linebackers, and then we have safeties. So we'll get to safeties, that'll be our last group, and let's just get into linebackers right away here, and let's take a look back at


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[Assistant] Kind of the first round guys from the last few drafts here.


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[Assistant] Because I saw a tweet circulating out on Twitter that equated drafting a running back in the first round to the same as maybe drafting a linebacker. Maybe we're missing something that...


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[Assistant] I agree, they would take him at that spot once again. So this is how linebacker has changed throughout the years though, is that when I was growing up, it was Chris Spielman, neck roll, leader of the defense.


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[Assistant] Schools, if you're a fan of any team out there in the NFL, you have a chance to maybe grab any one of these guys, because they could go anywhere from end of the first, uh,


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[Assistant] Middle of the second to end of the second to the top of the third. And so let's get into it. Your linebacker rankings for 2023 for the draft. You have two, wait, how many guys do you have in tier one here?


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[Assistant] Peacock or YouTube, his Octagon is up right now. Very good in the 40 yard dash. Good 10 yard split. Like you mentioned, Chris height, 14th percentile weight, 5th percentile. So he's just not that big guy, but.


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[Assistant] He's physical, he's not afraid of contact and he is quick and he gets to the ball carrier. Uhm, so he's also a pretty good dude.


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[Assistant] And he's a pretty good teammate from what we hear. So he was in Nevada. He was in Nevada for a couple of years. He did transfer to Washington state. I think we showed his stats there too. Really took off a lot of tackles for losses at Washington state kind of blossomed into the player who now could be the first linebacker off the board. Uh, but he's a good dude. And so Pete,


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[Assistant] Ugh. And some of those, if you're just listening, he's like in full shoulder pads. It's just right after a game and he's already just like into comedy mode.


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[Assistant] He's your number one linebacker, you look at the consensus, he's maybe three or four, but as we mentioned before, all these guys are kinda close together, so.


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[Assistant] He's kind of a high tackler too and he comes with a lot of power right at the chest of these running backs.


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[Assistant] As you mentioned, you might be the best athlete of all the guys you're going to talk about here. A former five-star recruit played running back and linebacker back in high school.


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[Assistant] In Charlotte, North Carolina, we got him clocked at a four, four, three, 40. So he is fast and pro football focus says the ability is there, but the way Simpson sees the game isn't quite yet. He could benefit from a simplified role out of the gate, taking a look at his heptagon.


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[Assistant] And we have weight in the 33rd percentile, but everything else is above average and that 40 yard dash is in the 97th percentile.


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[Assistant] He's an athlete, but he's just, he turns 22 in June. So, you know, he is younger. He is still learning the game. Whereas your number one guy, Henley, he turns 24 in November.


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[Assistant] In tier one, your number two linebacker, we're about to go to the final guy in your tier, and this is a player who is bigger than Trenton Simpson and bigger than many linebackers out there that line up on the other side of the ball. Your number three


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[Assistant] Will Anderson, who everybody says is the first pick of the draft. The vertical jump is 37 and a half. Right.


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[Assistant] We've got his Decagon out there, which I always like, I like, it's a big gon as Peter says here, and I like that because that means they tested. Yes. They went, they went to the Combine or wherever they went. This is usually Combine, right? Or it could be Pro Day too. Yea, no, but I think most of these are all Pro Day.


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[Assistant] Big dude, athletic dude. Yes. Why is he not number one?


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[Assistant] You know who's not gonna like your ranking? Who's that? People in Iowa, because he is Mr. Iowa. Cedar Falls High School, two-time state basketball champ, and then goes to Iowa. He led all of college football.


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[Assistant] And uh, the academic Heisman as well, the William V. Campbell award. So there it is right there. He's too smart to have that sims edge that you like to


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[Assistant] Yeah, Connor McGinnis, but you kinda mentioned that this shouldn't be a problem for him. Nah. Is Jack Campbell fast enough to play in today's game? I love his size and game, but question his speed to run with tight ends in the NFL. Nah, he can do that.


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[Assistant] Now we drop down into tier 2 for your number 4 linebacker. As I just in my earpiece said, we're doing linebackers again. Your number 4 linebacker for 2023. We're going back to Alabama. Seems like we've got a lot of Alabama guys.


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[Assistant] But he does look smaller when, he certainly looks smaller when you're watching Jack Campbell and you go to him next, which I did, and watching this down the line for you.


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[Assistant] There are situations, though, where man, he is pursuing, he's blitzing, and he's throwing a lineman that's got 50 pounds on him off kilter.


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[Assistant] That's exactly what it looks like on tape, is that he doesn't look 4'6", cause the last two feet between him and the running back, when he's there in striking distance, boom, he's got him by the shoelace. No doubt. Exactly.


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[Assistant] He's been playing high level football for a long time, went to De La Salle High School in California, played running back and linebacker there. Four year starter in college, so started as a true freshman at Tennessee.


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[Assistant] In 2019, transfer to Alabama. After a couple seasons, play there for Nick Saban. Uhm, he's got a nonagon out there, so if you want to take a look at his measurables, I don't know if we've done that.


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[Assistant] But there is a question whether, you know, has he made the big play? And so his Nanagon looks very strange. He's got good arm length, but...


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[Assistant] Some of the, uh, 20 yard shuttle stuff is below average. The broad jump is below average. 40 is a little above average. That 10 yard split is above average. There's that quickness in a phone booth. Uh, but per...


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[Assistant] Pro Football Focus, he did not have a single interception or pass breakup in 878 coverage snaps at Alabama. What do you make of that?


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[Assistant] He does. He looks, uh, 5'10 and a half is what he's listed at here. And I was like, I wouldn't have guessed that he was maybe even that tall, looking at the 5'10 and a half 231. It does. It does. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] All player and that's why I feel like we're looking at here. He was three years at Miami of Ohio.


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[Assistant] As a true freshman, he had six sacks in a game, which tied an NCAA record. He's in the record books. Uh, he transferred to Cincinnati last season to play with his brother Deshawn, who also plays linebacker. So cool story. And he is just, he is just fun to watch. Uh, Lance Zerline, you mentioned him before at NFL.com who


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[Assistant] Yeah, he got the recognition in college, which is cool to see. He was the ACC Defensive Player of the Year, unanimous All-American last season, and in the top five linebackers for Chris Sims. And that does complete your top five. So before we move on to the Robin Hoods,


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[Assistant] Let's take, uh, another look at how many red-jerseyed guys you a- once again, here you go.


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[Assistant] You got red and orange. I mean, the fact that Alabama and Georgia. Well, Georgia and Alabama are a problem, right? In Ohio State, it's just like, it's a killer. You've had a lot of yellow too though, Iowa, Michigan, a couple times.


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[Assistant] No, that's not, I was thinking about that coming in here, how we tried, we finally tried to settle it, and then I even screwed that up, and I was like, well I'm never talking about it again, and now here it comes back, uh, back to me. I had, uh, I threw in, uh, to chat GPT, write me a poem about your number one guy.


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[Assistant] Though his instincts may falter, his actions astound. For his talent to wrap and finish, knows no bound. With range so impressive, he challenges all, stepping downhill to meet the running lane's call.


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[Assistant] Congratulations, yeah. Chat GPT, artificial intelligence taking over our world, but adding a poem to our podcast here. So there's your top five. Uh, who else do you want to give some love to? Because I'm looking at the consensus rankings here, Chris. Yeah, I know.


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[Assistant] There's one guy that, you know, and I hesitate to say he's number one because they're all kind of grouped together. Uh, but Drew Sanders from Arkansas has gotten a lot of love from people out there. He is not in your top five.


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[Assistant] I liked him enough to put him in your Robin Hood section along with one other player from Auburn, Owen Papo.


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[Assistant] Minka Fitzpatrick you said before. And so was Minka, I should say him too. The Steelers figured it out with him. They're like, let's just play him at safety here. And is it evolving that way? Is it, is safety becoming a position where you can take a guy who it doesn't necessarily work out at corner?


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[Assistant] Or move him to safety. Are you drafting specifically for safety if you're an NFL team? Or are you trying to just get as many bad dudes at the corner position and maybe move one of them to safety?


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[Assistant] And we're going the multi-tier system once again. We only have two tiers here. You've got a couple guys in tier one and you got the rest of the guys in tier number two. So just like the linebacker.


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[Assistant] I want to emphasize again how athletic he is. I think we have his nonagon for that. He had the best 10 yard split and broad jump of any safety at the combine this year. The highest vertical jump of any position.


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[Assistant] The highest vertical of any position. What was it? 44 inches. That's through your legs dunking stuff. That's what that is. At 5'11". 5'11", he's dunking easy. He definitely is. I mean, yes. So his, his athleticism unquestioned.


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[Assistant] Now nfl.com, your guy Lance over there, says about him, buttery smooth hip swivel, as you mentioned, looks awesome, but has just average route recognition. What do you think about that?


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[Assistant] Well, he had 15 forced incompletions last season, which according to Pro Football Focus, tied for six most among power five defensive backs.


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[Assistant] Bring it and come. They don't even think twice about it. So here's why I think you have an advantage sometimes on this is because you're digging into this tape now for the first time, the chatter on him.


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[Assistant] Hasn't been of one of the top guys or one of the top safeties and Pete, I think we have and Kristen back there, the mock draft database, which I always go to all the time. I think it's a great way to get where the consensus is on some of these players. You look back in December, uh, he was not even on.


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[Assistant] Mock draft radar. I mean, we're talking undrafted guy. This is not a guy we're going to draft. And then you get into the end of January until now. You just see it. If you're watching on Peacock and YouTube, it creeps up from like, Oh, now he's like a, uh, end of the draft pick. And now it's like, Oh, hold on. Wait a second. Is he?


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[Assistant] Third, second round guy here and he's creeping up there cause he's right now, according to the mock drafts out there, the one, two, three, four, five, sixth consensus safety. But I think the community has just been a little late on him.


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[Assistant] First is the, still Devin Witherspoon. Defensive Secondary of Illinois with Devin Witherspoon. Yea, with Quan Martin. And? And your number two safety. Yes, right. That's damn right. Are you serious? Are you really going to do it? Are you really going to do it?


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[Assistant] Let's, yeaah, let's see, so we got the, you got, let's see the, uh, the measurables here, because I think we have that, ooh. And there's Chase on the right, Sidney on the left, so what?


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[Assistant] Sydney, the safety is a half an inch taller. Right. Two pounds heavier. His arm length is half an inch longer. Hand size is a quarter of an inch bigger. Uh, but he was a little slower. All that extra body weighed him down five hundredths of a second.


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[Assistant] You mentioned his play strength, he has strength strength, bench press, broad jump, vertical jump, uh, so the athletic ability too, we're all above the 90th percentile for, uh, safety and watching the tape, he just has a knack or did at Illinois of making the big play. It was like when a big play would happen, he would often be in the middle of it and sometimes,


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[Assistant] You know, you're wondering, okay, just right place, right time. You don't want to over evaluate a guy that just was there when a fumble happened. No, the instincts are there.


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[Assistant] I could tell you that much. You already like Sidney Brown. Let's hear from him and see if you like him even more after talking about his versatility and his approach on the football field.


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[Assistant] Both in tier number one for you and that closes the book on tier number one, which may be a little bit of a surprise to people out there who know this position because there is one name.


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[Assistant] Uh, Brian Branch from Alabama that I think most people have as the number one safety. Yeah. I think that maybe he can squeak into the first round, middle end of the first round. Right. Uh, but he was not in your tier one. As we go to tier two, your number three safety is?


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[Assistant] What he did at Alabama. And if you look at some of these rankings, some of them evaluate him as a corner, nickel, nickel guy.


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[Assistant] So we talked about the missed tackles for the previous player, uh, per pro football focus, just four missed tackles in 174 career attempts. And you watch his highlight film and it,


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[Assistant] You're right, it was a lot of the run game stuff, blitzing stuff, kind of like that, then the coverage stuff.


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[Assistant] Alright, so he is leading off tier two for you, but also in the conversation in this tier, your number four safety, a foe, a rival at Georgia.


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[Assistant] Because it's like, oh crap moments where you have to like, get the guy who's 30 yards down the field. Exactly, right?


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[Assistant] So this is interesting, because you're actually maybe higher on him than some other people out there, because I'll just, I'll just say that, you know, he's not a consensus top five guy. And the way you talk about him, you don't love him either, but you like him over guys like, you know, Antonio Johnson out of Texas A&M or Jail Skinner out of Boise State. Definitely.


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[Assistant] He moved around a little bit at LSU, corner, safety, played both in 2022, listed as a corner on some draft boards.


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[Assistant] That we can do there. Uhm, so that's it. That closes the book on all of your rankings on safety here, but we do want to give a special shout out. You got one guy in the Robin Hood category and he played at Penn State and his name is Jair Brown. That's right and I do want to.


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[Assistant] We, we may create some waves, little mini waves with, uh, Brian Branch not being your top safety out here. And that's what, uhm, that's what the poem says too.


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[Assistant] In the realm of NFL prospects, a tale unfolds of fearless safeties and stories untold from the heart of Alabama. A branch did grow, yet Chris Simms sees him.


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[Assistant] As number three, you know, two warriors from Illinois, Fierce and Grand, Quan Martin and Sydney Brown take a stand. Their skill and might seems dares to compare to the Alabama star in a draft of fame.


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[Assistant] Exactly. So that's it, Chris. Take a deep breath. Thank you very much. It does feel good. We'll do a mock draft coming up on Monday, I think, right, too. And so still draft talk to happen. And Thursday is the draft, of course. But before we leave, one more piece of news we've got to get your opinion on. Yeah. Because, uh, this is, uh, this is a quarterback news in the NFL with the 49ers.


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[Assistant] Sources, the 49ers have received inquiries from several teams looking into a potential trade for former number three pick.


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[Assistant] I mean it says that they gotta make sure that Brock Purdy is doing okay. I mean you have heard some reports out there, maybe this will be a longer injury for Brock Purdy. Who knows when he can come back.


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[Assistant] Exactly. That's what I would question. How do you make a move? Unless you're confident that, like you mentioned, you can sign another veteran and that Sam Darnold is good enough.


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[Assistant] You got a couple of quarterbacks from that draft class that have had trouble sticking with their current teams, perhaps. So you go, you call up the New York Jets, you go, hey, you know that Zach Wilson guy who...


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[Assistant] You've soured on. You know, we've got Trey Lance, um, who we've soured on. Yeaah. Let's just, you know, swap one for one. You know, failed quarterback prospect for failed quarterback prospect.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a lot of big names in this game, Mike, so I'm gonna go with the biggest of all. Kenneth Gainwell, over 19 and a half rushing yards. He's had 26 carries the past two games, and he's set at 19 and a half. He's kind of become their closer, their change of pace guy. I think he gets to at least 20 yards in the Super Bowl on the ground.


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[Assistant] One pick you're going with there. Well, just to throw at least one in a set.


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[Assistant] Kinda noting for myself, obviously, I'm a confident, versatile player. Uhm, I can play in the box. I've got a natural flow for the line games in front of me, like GT, GY, whatever run concepts you're gonna throw at me. Uhm, I can play in the post, I can play deep half, I can play curl flat, whatever you need, I can do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and just kind of relying that with confidence and uhm, you know, I, I trust my instincts. I kind of risk take without regret. I kind of live by this thing. It's like I think therefore I miss. So, I don't think, I just, I just go.


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[Assistant] Film yourself watching for this reason why your wife is watching you, going, wait, what are you evaluating? Well, honey, look at his, look at his butt in this Mendex.


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[Assistant] Man, did we watch a lot of legs and butts this weekend. I certainly did. It started for me last week in ND when I got to see some of these in person.


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[Assistant] So I was, uh, being that guy, checking out thighs and quads and hamstrings and butts. But what's up everybody? Chris Sims here. Chris Sims on button. Ahmed Farid is here in the building off a long weekend of work. He was calling horses or he was hosting a studio show, horse racing on Saturday, wearing his peacock hoodie. I do not have one.


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[Assistant] Got our man Connor Rogers. Oh my gosh. What up? Yeah, let's clap it up for Connor Rogers. Yep, we go way back, uh, like Four Flats and a Cadillac, back to my days of Bleacher Report. I mean, this guy Connor Rogers, he was just like some, like jack


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[Assistant] Like nerdy kid who liked football sitting in front of a computer. Now he's, now he's the head of the draft universe world and uh, it's gonna be fun today. He's got a great feel for the game. We're gonna pick his brain a little bit.


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[Assistant] No doubt, no doubt. And especially right now, I'm excited to talk to him today because I'm really, today is my first day I'm really going to start diving into the draft, right? Like I told you last week, I got a feel for the quarterbacks. I've watched some base level stuff just so like last week, if I saw them or did interviews, I could talk to it a little bit.


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[Assistant] But nowhere near ready to rank or dissect these guys a little bit and, uh, I know Connor's way farther down the road in those conversations, so I want to ask him about some of these freak shows that we saw over the weekend and, you know, what their, what their


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[Assistant] I think the edge guys were impressive. It was a room full of like, whoa, who's that guy? Oh, that's him. Wow. Okay. I mean, you know, I think that was the thing that probably jumped out to me. I mean, especially the kid from Texas Tech.


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[Assistant] Right, uh, Tyree Wilson. Tyree Wilson, you know, when I saw him, I actually saw Connor Rogers, and I was like, man, that reminded me of like Simeon Rice back in the day, if you remember Simeon Rice. He's one of the all-time great pass rushers in football. But that type of body, and then has a thickness that even Simeon Rice did not have.


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[Assistant] Yeah, some of the specimens of the body I saw at the Demon's Aligned position is what was, I think, the most impressive thing. You know, after that, hey, the Combine's always just a good


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[Assistant] Get a feel for what's going on in the league. What some people are thinking. It is a little different without some of the coaches there. There's not as many coaches. You do notice that.


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[Assistant] It is, you know, just personnel, front office people pretty much for the most part now and, you know, coaches are dwindling away slowly but surely. Uh, but still, you know, it's a good experience and it's just good to see a few of those guys. But yeah, I didn't get to see the quarterbacks in person.


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[Assistant] Which kind of was annoying. I got to see a few other guys in person, other position groups, some of the tight ends, some of that, but yea, it wasn't the normal year because of the schedule, so I feel like I didn't get to see as many people as usual.


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[Assistant] This to be a continuing trend here. I think what people are realizing is, you know, one, the combine still is extremely an effective tool. Nobody's saying for the combine to go away. All we're talking about is it's just not vital for coaches


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[Assistant] That is great importance and you're not gonna, you're not gonna be able to make up for some of that, you're right? Cause you're gonna get to visit more guys at once when you're at the combine. Now, the guys you're interested in,


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[Assistant] You're gonna have them in for probably a pre-draft visit to your facility anyways, right? So you're gonna get to meet and talk to that guy and look at him in person. But yea, Dan Campbell, he's gonna have seen more and got a little bit more of a feel. But also, you know, a good front office guy, Bill Belichick, McVeigh, whatever, Shanahan, guys that weren't there.


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[Assistant] They're gonna lean on their experts in that department, not only, and then they're also gonna have the...


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[Assistant] The interview on film, right? So there's nothing they won't be able to see. And then maybe nuance you might miss a little bit as compared to on camera and in person.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, one scout, hey coach, I know they're both, you know, 6'3", 210, but this guy, if you saw him in person, it's a bigger 6'3", 210. You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's high cut waist and he's got long legs and broad shoulders. This guy over here was a little bit shorter legs and you know,


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[Assistant] You know, ultimately, if you're really interested in the guys, you're gonna come into your building anyways, you'll have a pre-draft visit, and ultimately, you're gonna lean on people and have enough there for you. The combine is still an extremely effective tool to gather information and gauge where people are. Whether that's confirm what you saw on film, or, ooh, wait.


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[Assistant] You know, ooh, this guy's got a little more than what I thought he did. You know, in college, they use them like this. And now that I see him on the field and see like how explosive and strong he is, you know, it starts to, you expand your,


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[Assistant] Your, your canvas on, oh, things he can do, right? You know, yea, in college they had him playing five technique, but now I see him out here in some of these drills, in the 40, in the bench press, and I go, well, shit!


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[Assistant] He can play outside linebacker and drop into coverage and whoa, look at his three cone drill. He's got real hips and can plant his foot in the ground and cut and do all that, right? So there's real tangible evidence that carries over to the football player, let alone


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[Assistant] Can raise some red flags if you are like, ooh, I really like this guy in film, but there's something missing. I'm not sure exactly what it is. And sometimes a drill at the combine can expose that. And then you go, oh, that's what it is. There is, there's a hip tightness to this guy.


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[Assistant] He can't, he's got, his hips are tight, or whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] Man, that's, that's the beauty of the combine, let alone the medical and all that being in one place has great value. Instead of every guy going to a city and having a doctor, 32 doctors pulling your knee, you're going to have a sore knee before the draft gets here. Still might do that. So there's value.


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[Assistant] You know, I think with the system they run down there, it's a west coast offense that he's gonna be very familiar with, right? I think their team, as we kind of discussed, I think at the end of the year, is a little bit more ready to win than maybe we even get a credit for. You know, I don't know how many more years this team has a shelf life of.


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[Assistant] You know, we talked about defensive front sevens getting a little older. They're O-line. They've kind of refurbished a few young bodies in there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, still getting up there. Alvin Kamara, of course, where he's at in his career, it's, you know, we're starting the downward slope.


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[Assistant] But still, where you look at it and go, wait, it's still a good defense, they still got Marshawn Latimer, they still got Demario Davis, Cam Jordan's still really good, they're still good at stopping the run, right?


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[Assistant] You know, you know, Honey Badger, he's not what he once was, but he's still solid, right? There's, so there's some things there you look at and go, wait, okay. And then offensively, you know, we hit on the offensive line. Yeah, there's Alvin Kamara.


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[Assistant] You talk about the receiver conversation and you go, okay, wait, Chris Olavi, I don't know what will happen with Michael Thomas. We'll see where that goes. But either way, I think they're at a team that's going, wait.


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[Assistant] Wait, the NFC South is up for grabs and we can do, right? When we can do this, you give us Derek Carr, in fact, we might be the


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[Assistant] Guys in the leader house with Derek Carr, a quarterback. I mean, realistically. So, you know, I think it makes a lot of sense for them. I understand Derek Carr too. I'm a little surprised by the hastiness of the decision. You know, I didn't think it would happen right now. You know, and again,


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[Assistant] The teams like Carolina were thinking about them. The Jets, of course, were thinking about them. You know, what happened there? Are they still waiting for Aaron Rodgers and he just said, screw it, I don't want to deal with it? Is it the New York media? What was it? I don't know. I have no answers for you there.


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[Assistant] I think it's intriguing. You know, the other thing that I'll just throw out there, the money he was gonna get. It was one of the things that I brought up, like,


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[Assistant] Is he sure he wanted to be released by the Raiders? Is he sure he doesn't want to just get traded? Is he guaranteed he's gonna make the same money, right? You know? And I think he is finding that out, if I had to read between the lines, that the money for him and the market is maybe not as big as he thought it was going to be.


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[Assistant] So, you know, there's some interesting things there nonetheless, but now you look at, yeaah, I look at the other teams. They're good for the Saints, they got their situations sold.


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[Assistant] That's where we go, we're gonna go into what, Jimmy Garoppolo world and those type of players. That's Baker Mayfield. I don't, I don't know. You know, that's interesting. And then here's my other wrinkle, or at least ripple effect off of this. Oooooh, motherf-


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[Assistant] Quarterbacks are going to become more available in the top ten. I mean, you know, again, think about a team like Carolina who's maybe going...


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[Assistant] Well, if we could dare a card and we're here at nine, okay, then we don't have to worry about, you know, we could be left out of the quarterback conversation at number nine, right? Right now, if I'm the Raiders at seven or Atlanta at eight or Carolina at nine and you want a quarterback, I'd be going, uh-oh.


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[Assistant] Three could be gone by the time we pick. And then, and then, and then if Anthony Richardson's not your cup of tea as far as like we want to run that type of offense and me quarterback design runs and all that.


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[Assistant] You know, that, that's a premium now. Cause we know who the three best pocket passing quarterbacks are in the draft, right? So that's where I look at it and go, oh no, now here's another option for, you know, that's off the board, especially for Carolina. Atlanta, I don't think was going to go there anyways.


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[Assistant] Now, you know, it puts some more in the box of you gotta think of what you wanna do in the draft, the quarterback position.


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[Assistant] Okay, but let's, let's flush that out a little bit, right? You talk about Jimmy Garoppolo. Are the Colts going to do that again? Are they going to go to another, Hey, let's bring in the old quarterback that the old team didn't want and, and play that game, right?


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[Assistant] I have a hard time thinking they're gonna do that. They're picking it four, so they're in a pretty good spot for the quarterback draft, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] The, uh, who was the other team I was going to bring in? Carolina Panthers? Kind of the same thing. I mean, they've been doing that the last few years. It hasn't worked out. Sam Darnold, Teddy Bridgewater, and now Frank Reich from the team we just talked about. And he's like, I just got fired because I went that formula. Right?


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[Assistant] Does he gonna really wanna do that either? Right? So that's where I get back to the draft thing and go, the value for these damn quarterbacks just went up. Sure. With Derek Carr being off the market to the New Orleans Saints and that should be interesting as this plays out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I mean, first off, yeaah, it seems like franchise tag's inevitable, right? I mean, we've yet, uh, and again, I know this doesn't sound great and whatever, and you know this, and I know some people don't think this, but I'm a huge Lamar Jackson fan. I mean, I wanna see him get paid and all that.


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[Assistant] Am I hopeful that a real long-term deal's gonna get done? Absolutely not. I mean, come on, let's just the proof's in the pudding.


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[Assistant] We've not seen any type of deal done with Lamar Jackson in any stratosphere at any walk of the business.


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[Assistant] You know, you heard me talk about it last week. You know, Mike did a good job sticking up for me.


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[Assistant] You know, there's money from apparel deals that have been left on the table. Contracts that didn't come to fruition there because, you know, two sides couldn't meet and figure it out.


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[Assistant] So I have no hope that they're gonna get something done here in the next 24 hours. So then the next part is, yes, is this the exclusive tag or the non-exclusive tag? I, I, I feel like I'd probably go non-exclusive tag.


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[Assistant] I feel like I would. Which would mean what? Which would mean that it's, the price tag's at 32 million dollars, and if they tag them again the year after that, it jumps up to like 40 something million dollars. Alright, it's not crazy numbers as far as we're a quarterback.


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[Assistant] The non-exclusive tag also means that he can shop for other teams, and if a team makes him an offer that the Ravens can't match,


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[Assistant] Then that team will have to send them two first round picks. Right? So that's, that's what they have to lose. It's risky. Yea, you lose Lamar Jackson.


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[Assistant] Right? But you're gonna get two verse round picks. But you also get the right to match that offer. So if it's an offer they can match and they go, okay fine, you go set the market out there and figure it out what somebody else will pay you and we'll see.


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[Assistant] And then when you come back to us with that Oliver, we'll see if we can match it. And if it's so crazy and maybe somebody throws him some Deshaun Watson type contract, which I don't think is going to happen to anybody right now in football, then they would go, okay, well we can't do that.


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[Assistant] We're gonna have to give us the two first rounders and we're gonna have to go to plan B and try to figure out another quarterback for the future. So, you know, I ask you that right there.


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[Assistant] If they were to do it again the next year, it's a substantial raise to where I believe it's like almost 60 million dollars. Okay. Right? So it's incredibly more expensive, but yes, you're also assured that nobody else can offer him a contract. He's exclusively yours, right? That's it.


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[Assistant] I explained it to you. I hope they're in somewhat good fashion. I hope everybody understood that. Pete, you can tell me if I've explained it well enough. But either way.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I have the right answer either, but what I would say that's working, working against Lamar is that


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[Assistant] He's, here we are. Definitely, you know, he's a running quarterback. We know he can play in the pocket. He's got a really damn good arm. We haven't ever seen him really have to carry the team that way totally. Okay. And then also off of that,


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[Assistant] There's two years here in a row now where we're talking about the month of December, a guy who runs and plays a physical brand of football for the quarterback position has not been able to play. Does that sound like somebody you just want to go, hey, here's guaranteed money. Just play as long as you want. We'll just keep giving you cash. You know, if I'm the Ravens and thinking about it that way, yeah, that would scare me.


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[Assistant] That would. And, you know, for maybe, I don't, and again, I don't know the details of this, but for whatever he's offering or whatever type of contract he's offering, and obviously Baltimore doesn't want to


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[Assistant] I mean, it's better than Russell Wilson's, it's better than Kyler Murray's, it's better than everybody in the history of the sport.


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[Assistant] And that's, that's not even the prac- that's just a guarantee to signing. And then you add on what the practical guarantee would have been.


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[Assistant] Which was probably been a lot more when people might mean like that. What do you mean by the practical guarantee? Like,


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[Assistant] You know, okay, the first year, here's the guaranteed money, but the second year the league starts, right? There's another lump sum of money that goes your way to where you're like,


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, realistically they're not going to cut him after one year in paying him a hundred million dollars. So that second year he's also going to see the money even though it's not guaranteed, right? It'd almost take a career ending injury for him not to see that.


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[Assistant] Second money. So it's practical guarantees are way above that.


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[Assistant] You know, and now the problem is here's the Sean Watson contract and everything there has thrown things for a loop. Uh, but we'll see where it goes. I have no faith it's gonna go and I'm interested to see what they do. I feel like if I was them,


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[Assistant] Because of the situation and how it's being handled, I don't know exactly what he's asking. I wish I had more details. I'd probably go the non-exclusive franchise tag.


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[Assistant] And very less, just like, go out, like I said, call his bluff, go look. Tell me who's gonna offer you that. Tell me.


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[Assistant] You just go, what teams would even like realistically do that? Right? That's the other aspect of this. What team? And to me, there's only two teams that you can even like. And again, you guys correct me if I'm, there's somebody I'm missing here. You know, there's Washington? Maybe. Okay. I don't know. I don't know if Ron Rivera would want to do that right now. Be interesting.


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[Assistant] After Washington, the only other two teams I look at to even be in that conversation would be Atlanta and maybe Miami if they decided, you know, we're scared about the long-term prognosis of Tula and the concussions and all that. After that, I have a hard time coming up with a third team that would really make sense or realistically make that move or do it.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, that's where it also can become very interesting.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah. Both are, you know, one, the way to break it down at least in my eyes is Daniel Jones has more potential to be greater than Kirk Cousins, right? He's a bigger man. Daniel Jones is one of the best running quarterbacks in football. His arm is stronger than Kirk Cousins.


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[Assistant] But you've only seen one year of success in doing that. Under Brian Dayball too. Under Brian Dayball too. Right, but he's had no support around him or anything like that. But yea, you can't disrespect Kirk Cousins and what he has done.


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[Assistant] Right? He might not have some of the physical gifts, but damn he's good at playing the position. And damn, it's every year, it's like 30 touchdowns and eight interceptions or seven. So.


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[Assistant] You know, that's one of those where, like if you're the Giants, you'd go, well, no, this guy's got potential and we like what we've seen and we think he can surpass that. If you're Minnesota, you're going, wait, we don't know exactly what Kirk, you know, Daniel Jones can be. Are we just going to give Kirk Cousins away? Cause we, we think maybe he might be better.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you're asking me to start a team today and do it.


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[Assistant] I mean like, remember two years ago, I was literally like, he catches the ball.


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[Assistant] In the shotgun, and he's literally like ducking a half second later. Like, like it's like a, like a video gamer, like kids in a backyard pining against like professional defense alignment. It was crazy. You develop bad habits that way too for Daniel Jones. But we'll see where this goes. This is another interesting one. You know, here's the problem.


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[Assistant] The market for the quarterbacks is around this price tag. Right? 45 million. Around 45 million. It's not going to be very expensive three or four years from now. People are going to go, oh 45 million, so what? That's, that's the going rate for an average quarterback or whatever.


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[Assistant] Right? So, there's that aspect, and then there's of course the Deshaun Watson contract on one end, which is stupid by the Browns, and then there is also


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[Assistant] The other aspect that I hear people already talking about, wow, he's gonna get paid more than Patrick Mahomes. That's not Daniel Jones' fault, or his agent's fault.


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes took a very team friendly deal and that's what he opted to do. Right? So the market has passed him up. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean the markets, Patrick Holmes, we're talking about one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of football. Obviously the markets passed him up. He don't give a shit. He wants Chris Jones and Kelsey and receivers there and all that. So that's what he's gonna do. But that's confusing the market and the conversation a little bit.


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[Assistant] I'm shocked to hear plus 45 million a year as well. As a giant fan, I'd like it to be less. Or can we find a way as the giants to, you know, make


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[Assistant] The first two years of the contract may be that kind of money, but have a year three and a year four on the contract.


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[Assistant] That makes the overall yearly average lower, right? To where, okay, it helps our salary cap. And like we talked about this whole thing, you know, they're not stuck if a year or two go by and it's not been good and Daniel Jones goes in the wrong direction to where the giants are like, Oh,


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[Assistant] I mean, we're just screwed. Four years here we are. We're stuck with Dane DeJones and we're paying all this money. So, uh, hopefully they can find that sweet spot.


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[Assistant] He's gonna get passed by everybody. I mean, I wouldn't surprise if, I mean, Jalen Hurts is gonna pass him this year, Joe Burrow's gonna pass him this year, and he don't give a shit. He doesn't care, cause he's gonna keep, the next ring's gonna go on his middle finger, and he's gonna go, how do you like that one? That's my third one. But he's fifth, he is a top five quarterback.


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[Assistant] He's, uh, extremely talented as we know. He's definitely a top five running back. They want to run the football and play that way.


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[Assistant] More than likely I would expect them, you know, again, they're in that one of those spots at seven where you're a little scared of who could be there. Are they going to trade up and make a move, make sure they get one of these guys?


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[Assistant] Right? But I mean, in my heart of hearts, I feel like the Raiders want a young quarterback, right? And man, that would be nice to have, you know, a good running game behind it to kind of let him develop and having teams worry about that. Obviously gonna get franchise tagged, no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] You know, but then again, here's the conversation of what's the sweet spot for the running backs? What's realistic to pay them and be fair that way?


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[Assistant] Right? And again, protect yourself. I will say, he's, because of his college career, you know, he hasn't been run into the ground.


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[Assistant] This year he got runnin' the ground. Definitely. You know, but so, so where can they find that sweep saw? But either way, he's not leaving the Raiders as of right now. I would be shocked. He's gonna get franchise tagged. They'll try to work something out that makes sense for both sides.


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[Assistant] Yes, like, you know, I think a lot of people thought Jacobs was maybe in the doghouse with the Raiders early in the year. McDaniels brought up a great point. He goes, you know, I played him in that Hall of Fame game. He goes, cause I want him to get hit then and just get it over with.


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[Assistant] So he gets all his hits. I used to know what's running between the tackles. You get used to that. And if he did get banged up or something like that, you got the whole next month to get healthy.


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[Assistant] But you've gotten that out of your system. Instead of like, where you go the whole month of training camp, you're like, well, I haven't really been brought to the ground yet. I haven't really been hit. I haven't really had to like, just go, I gotta run through that hole and put my shoulder and head down and drive for first down yards, right?


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[Assistant] And no coach wants to make their running back do that for the first time. Hey, it's a real game and it counts, right? So that's why he did it. I thought he made a good point. Yes, they love Josh Jacobs.


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[Assistant] They got to, I would say. I would think somebody's gonna pay-


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[Assistant] Pay Tony Pollard if they don't watch out. So, they gotta, yea, franchise, tag him, and again, try to work on something that maybe lowers his number in the salary cap, but yea, he's interesting because of the broken fibula or tibula, whatever it is, the broken ankle, right? Uhm, but I still even think with that type of injury, yea, that he'd probably get paid out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, his happened late in the year, so that does hurt him. That's one that's interesting. You know, them, I would expect Zeke to be released here in the next 24 hours, very soon. But yeah, I would think Pollard is a franchise tag, and then the next one's a guarantee. Jaguar's tight end Evan Ingram. Guarantee.


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[Assistant] They got a lot of studs over there. They got a lot of studs. They do. Evan Ingram is...


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[Assistant] Always had superstar ability. He got here in New York and got in the vortex of criticism and dropped a few passes in big moments like we talked about and he just needed to get the hell out of town. He got out of town and they rebuilt his confidence and at the end of the year, the last half of the season, he was


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[Assistant] He's in the conversation for one of the three, four, five best pass catching tight ends in football. He's a weapon. Uh, so yeah, I don't think he goes anywhere. Doug Peterson values that type of tight end. He was very important to Trevor Lawrence. He'll be there. Take over a game type, right? And we saw it a couple of times. He just took over.


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[Assistant] Guys didn't run in spandex when I was there. They gave us baggy shorts and we ran in a baggy short in a baggy shirt. How do you see the big butt? Yeah, I know. Baggy shorts. You couldn't only see it on the day where they had to go way in and they took a picture of you when you were, you know, half naked in your underwear. Right? That was it. But yeah, just all of that has been...


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[Assistant] Broken down into more of a science and then having a laser at the 10 yard split and having one at the 20 and they got all these different gauges, let alone the fanfare and what it's become there.


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[Assistant] You know, when it was my day and I was running there, it was just like all the coaches were sitting in one section of the stadium. Or two sections. That was it.


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[Assistant] Now the whole stadium's full, they got people up in the press box, I mean it's got it all going. It's just become a way bigger show altogether. I believe my year was the last year it was not televised, live. I think the year after that it became a live televised event, so, uh, it's grown


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[Assistant] The edge guys in general stood out, right, and Tyree Wilson is the one I told you about. I mean the personality, my man from, uh, Alabama, William Anderson, right, I mean he was phenomenal. They both were phenomenal. Those are both the guys where you go, that's an alpha


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[Assistant] Side of the ball and be an unbelievable, you know, example setter, knows how to talk to people, all of that. They both have that. You can see it.


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[Assistant] And it's very common with the other top defensive players I ever played with. There's a personality and a pizzazz and a confidence that guys want to lead and follow. So that was it. But then like, just their workout in general, that's what I'm excited to bring out Connor. I mean it was one freak show after another.


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[Assistant] I mean, and, you know, our Tyree Wilson didn't even get to work out. He might be the freakiest of them all.


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[Assistant] But I just couldn't get over the linebacker defense edge edge guys.


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[Assistant] I mean, how explosive, how many guys are we going to see that are 260 pounds that I just go, holy shit, he's built like a Greek god and he flies. He can fly. Like what, what, what, like they're growing on trees. You know, I had people tell me it was a strong group, but like, damn, it looks like it's a group that's like,


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[Assistant] You know, we got, are we gonna get to like, are we gonna get to like double digit edge guys maybe? But, or, or, you know, defensive end, defensive tackle, pass rushers, are we gonna get to double digits of them in the first round? I'm just interested as I dive into that, but that certainly was the group that, I was sitting there Thursday night, I just smoked a daddy cigar.


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[Assistant] Alright. And my wife was like, you're not listening to me. And I'm like, I know because this is unbelievable what I'm watching. It's just one guy after another that I just could not get over the way they looked and the way they ran. Uh, and yeah, we'll hit on those when, when


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[Assistant] I mean, across the board. Doesn't make sense. You know, I mean, I mean, we got guys that are 280 and they're running 4.5 and low 4.6. Like, what the hell? I mean, of course, you know, what we saw from Nolan Smith


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[Assistant] And to be like, you know, 240 pounds and you look at a guy like Hassan Reddick and go, he's an athletic freak and you go, whoa, he just blows Hassan Reddick out of the water from what he did. You know, so that was the kickoff to the oh my goshness of the weekend. Saturday was my favorite day. You know that. The quarterbacks was amazing.


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[Assistant] Was I watching a quarterback or was that Michael Parsons like working out? I mean, with an arm. I mean, that's what it was. It was like watching a top tier edge guy, but he's in a, he plays quarterback.


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[Assistant] I'm extremely intrigued by him as I told, you know, Florio last week and you heard me say it a little bit. Yeaah. He's raw, but his arm is big time. His size and athleticism are big time. Bryce Young, size scares me. It just does.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm excited to dive into him more too, as I am with all these guys, but I know he's, from what I, you know, my little dive into his stuff last week, I know he's supernatural and talented at the position. He can make all the throws. He sees the field great, you know.


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[Assistant] He can throw with anticipation, he moves well in the pocket, he does all those things. But he's 5'10". And he weighed in at 204 pounds, and I guarantee he's not 204 pounds week 7 of the season. I guarantee he's somewhere near 192, 190. So that scares me. Size is a skill, as you know.


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[Assistant] And yeah, we see other small quarterbacks. Drew Brees, but Drew Brees is three inches taller than this guy, right? Russell Wilson, we talk about it all the time. He has problems throwing the ball over the middle of the field. Kyler Murray, we talk about the same thing.


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[Assistant] And, Kyler Murray has three rockets up his ass. You know? Bryce Young doesn't have that.


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson was also another one that I would say ran better than, you know, Bryce Young. We're talking about a real kind of pocket quarterback at this side. That's where it's a little different. So I'm interested to see where my studies take me in that department. No doubt. Will Levis?


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[Assistant] Like, all the talk, right? I know he's got a big arm. I was trying to tell Mike Florio last week, he made it. SEC played under pressure a lot. They did not have great support system on the offensive side of the ball there, at least from my early looks there.


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[Assistant] Man, he got hit a lot as he was throwing the football. I like that. I love it. He got to play NFL football. People trying to knock his head off as he's throwing the ball. I welcome the NFL. That's what he's going to do. Right? Not a ton of people open. His arm is real. Pretty good athlete. You know, has the body of being that prototypical. But damn, he didn't, that was not a great performance he put out.


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[Assistant] You know, for, for all the talk of like, I got a cannon and I'm gonna show it off, damn he didn't show it off! You know? Kinda...


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[Assistant] Threw some B- footballs out there a few times. Was more worried about, ooh, let me complete it.


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[Assistant] Instead of just like, hey, just throw it. And we know that the receivers are not all exactly the same and they're not all running the routes the right way. Let it loose. I want to see what you got. Damn, it's a post corner route. We skipped it. We skipped a post corner route in the combine with no defenders on the field. Come on.


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[Assistant] So that was disappointing. He has some things with his feet that he has to work on. He gets very stagnant and still, if anybody goes back and watch the kombai work out, he'll get to the top of the drop and he'll just sit there, feet flat in the ground and then he barely will take a hitch step or just throw it flat from there and that'll lead to inaccurate throws.


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[Assistant] Well, the Richardson kid did, kid did for sure. But nobody more than CJ Stroud. CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] I said to Florio last week, I was like, I was a little more impressed with this film than I thought I was gonna be. Again, you know, I've gone off of TV here and all that, so I don't, you know, you know me, I'm a casual college fan during this season.


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[Assistant] You know, one, the size is real. Two, you watch film with Ohio State, he pushes the ball down the field and he pushes it into windows and he does go through progressions and reads, knows how to play within the pocket, showed that he's really just touching the tip of the iceberg with movement and stuff towards the end of the year. And then like you, those throws, what we saw there.


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[Assistant] And then it kind of matches what I saw on film. And in fact, I think it's gotten better. Those are things where I got, I got excited watching CJ Stratt. He, he made it look so much easier than everybody else. His drop was the best of all the quarterbacks dropping back. And then his throwing was.


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[Assistant] Consistently the best with power and accuracy and doing it with ease, Ahmed.


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[Assistant] So, yeaah, I really like the way he looked, uhm, to me he won the quarterback drills, I mean as far as the throwing is concerned. There's no doubt about that. Two other guys, let me just throw another name or two that I liked, right? The Tanner McKee kid's interesting, he's a good thrower, you know, I wanna see more of the athlete, but, you know, I liked his motion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Houston kid Clayton Toon. I'm intrigued by him. Again, I don't know much about him, but I like the way he threw the ball.


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[Assistant] Max Hall? Is it Max Hall? The BYU kid? I might be missing it. I think it's Will Richardson. You're funny. You're funny. The Hall Kid from BYU.


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[Assistant] That's the other one I really, I, Jared Hall. That's it. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you very much, Pete. I know. I'm still getting used to some of these names. I liked his motion. That's all I'm saying. Just liked his motion. Ooh, he looks like he has a chance to be something as a thrower.


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[Assistant] The other one I really like, this is to me, is DTR. Dorian Thompson Robinson is the guy I really like. I like to watch him in college football.


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[Assistant] He's played a lot. He has a really good, consistent motion. His mechanics are good. He's a good athlete. He was bigger than I thought, right? So, he was one that jumped out to me. We didn't get to see Hendon Hooker, who I'm a big fan of, as heard at Tennessee. But, yeaah, those are the ones that I think, you know, pop to me.


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[Assistant] We'll see, we'll see. You know, I've had years where I've gone, ooh, I think I'm going to like this guy the most when I watch the combine or saw what I saw in college football. And then I turn on the film and I go, oh, I actually don't like this guy the most. So I'm interested to see where


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[Assistant] And I think that's where he's talking about this a little bit publicly, and that's why it became a big deal in the Georgia game, where...


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[Assistant] The lights finally went on like, wait, I'm too good just to sit here in the pocket and like, the guy's gotta be open.


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[Assistant] I gotta do a little bit above that, and I do like the potential of him, so we'll see where it goes, and I'm excited to dive in with these guys.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, I get where he's at right there. I do. I'm interested to pick his brain about Will Anderson. I mean, we talked about these. Will Anderson had a good


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[Assistant] It's just that we had some freak shows that people are going to look at and go, wait, is Willie Anderson still good? And I want to go, yeah, like, you know, running four six at almost 250 pounds and having a one six, you know, one 10 yard split is still top level, top tier pass rusher in football.


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[Assistant] We had some fucking guys in this, this combine workout who did things that we've never seen do off the edge. So, you know, that's, I'm interested to pick Connor's brain a little bit about some of these other pass rushers. And then I want to get into some of these corners as well. Um, but no, I, I can't just.


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[Assistant] That's pretty cool. I-I don't know why it was big glass doors, it was early bleacher report to where I'm not even sure we hit as like...


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[Assistant] You know, I think I was maybe doing some Floreo at the time and then going there, you know, pretty early and I was probably watching some film and I heard somebody knocking on the door and I was like, alright.


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[Assistant] You can either start quarterbacks or edge. Well, I honestly, like, let's just go base thoughts. Like Connor, what kind of like just impressed you? Maybe, like, you know, the one thing that shocked you, something that maybe disappointed you a little bit, and then maybe just an overall thought that jumps to your head about the whole weekend.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it used to be a rare thing, you're right. Now it's definitely more commonplace, and you see a guy, it feels like a guy like Sauce or Joey Porter almost every year. Alright, so Porter, you feel like he's gotta kinda be in that, like almost a Seattle 3, or you don't want him to live on an island playing man to man all the time? I don't.


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[Assistant] Well, last one on the corner before we move on, the Brian Branch kid, right? I mean, he's kind of great. It is a higher prospect. I mean, he ran high four fives.


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[Assistant] I'm not finding a safety. Yeah, I hear you there. Yeah, I think you're right. Jesse Bates say he could like that, could be cha-ching in a big way.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's outliers, that's life, but usually there's some sort of trait that makes them special.


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[Assistant] I know. I'm with you. I think he hit the tip of the iceberg here, so there's potential to do those type of things. I'm agreeing with you there.


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[Assistant] Three rockets in his ass, no doubt about it. Yeah, that's not Bryce. Yeah. So. That's why I think it's very interesting, you're right.


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[Assistant] Well, Leveson Stroud are going to be the ones that are looking for the prototypical pocket cord. Their value is going to go up because of this right now. Like Conor said.


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[Assistant] You know, we have this conversation. There's going to be a handful of teams, just like with Kyle and Murray, they're just going to go, he's too small for us. I don't care how fast he is. He's just, he's not for us. He's not for us. That's not what we want a quarterback.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, well, he's the size of a defensive lineman. They're gonna even be happy with that. But yeah, Cam used to wear people out in the fourth quarter with the quarterback design runs. You go, oh, look at him. Wearing them out, running up the middle, lowering his shoulder. Late in his career. No doubt about it. Exactly right.


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[Assistant] But I think you're right. He's a, he's a little bit of a project. He did not get to play a ton of college football. I would probably be looking at him and go, yeah, he needs to develop a year or two, sit behind somebody, whatever that may be. All right. Here's one last thing with Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] What's like, here's the other thing, like you said it right, I feel the same way just to the little I've seen. So he's a natural at the position. He really knows how to play quarterback. Is there one specific trait though we talk about where we like traits, it's not always an end all be all, but does he have one thing in his game where you go,


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[Assistant] You know what, Chris? You're gonna see it's phenomenal when you turn it on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, long term, can he throw it down the middle, like we talked about, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, you know, Kyler Murray, the numbers bear it out. They don't love the middle of the field always.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, you could play a team some weeks, like the New York Giants, they play the bare front, it's three defensive tackles in front of you all game long, and there's not gonna be pass rush lane. Like, in Alabama, he's getting, wait, there's a lane, so I can see between the tackle and the guard, and there's nobody there.


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[Assistant] You know, he's gonna give them some games where they're gonna go, no, this team's got big people and you don't have the Alabama advantage of the offensive line being awesome, right? And you're gonna have people around you. The pocket's gonna get small. You're gonna have people in your face.


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[Assistant] And that's where the projection comes into where I want to try to see and find evidence of that. Right? When Georgia, you know, when they collapsed the packet, how many times that he was able to make a throw down field with people around him or he didn't have a clear picture or whatever.


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[Assistant] Those are the things that yea, we all have to kind of figure out as we go here with Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] No, cuz he's gonna be 190 and he's gonna wanna run 45 and he's not gonna do it.


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[Assistant] Oh, well look at him right after CJ Stratton. His arms aren't as good as Stratton. Oh, look at him stand. He doesn't look like CJ Stratton or Will Levis does in there. Right, exactly. So all those things didn't play in his favor in this department. So yeaah, he's gonna wait till he's on the field by himself in his environment.


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[Assistant] And doesn't have to have like, Oh, I threw a B minus out route. Oh shit. Here comes Stroud throwing a hundred mile per hour fastball and makes me not look like I'm the first pick of the draft. And then people start to go, you know how it works. We're really going to take price young. He throws those floater out route and CJ Stroud stolen. So he had nothing to gain from it, you know? And I think that's.


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[Assistant] He's a freak show. His arm is out of this world good. I mean, when he makes some throws, you just go, well, there's only like five or six people that can make that throw right there. Now, he could miss four screen passes in a row. That's the problem. He's got to continue to tinker and toy with this motion, Ahmed. You know, we talk about this all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, to, to use a parallel maybe to golf. Like his backswing's just got too much movement in it.


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[Assistant] There's too much floppiness in his arm. He's gotta learn how to use his body throwing it. Like you guys still saw the motion and check it out as you watch it a little over the next few weeks. It's very arm goes by itself. Which is a great thing in a lot of ways because he has a really flexible arm.


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[Assistant] So, it tells me it's gonna last a test of time. But within that sometimes...


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[Assistant] You forget to be the mechanical machine and you use your body, like there was a few throws, short throws, where he doesn't even know how to do it other than to just throw it with his arm, where I'm gonna go, oh no, if you saw, you know, Burrow or Mahomes or some of them, they're gonna get their body in a position and just do it with their body, and the arm's gonna have to do very little. He's still got some of the stuff there that he's gotta work on for sure.


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[Assistant] Strong base. Yeah. Nobody was looking at Lawrence Taylor's pecs. I can just tell you that. They weren't that good to look at, but you looked at his damn hamstring and his butt and you went, Oh damn, that's what makes Lawrence Taylor right there. So these players for the first


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[Assistant] Good. Good to confirm. Good to confirm. So don't worry. I saw it in person and even just during the workout itself. Like, you know, again, he's kinda gotten lost in the shuffle here. Cause of some of the freakier workouts here. It's so true. Right? So like, off of, uh, Ahmed's big butt with, with, uh, Will Anderson here. Give us like a little scouting report on Will Anderson.


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[Assistant] That sounds like you're almost talking about the guy who was number one pick last year a little bit in Trayvon Walker, where it's like a crazy freaky strength for an edge rusher, right? Not totally potential, fulfilled there as a rusher. But I think he's a better rusher than Walker was coming out.


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[Assistant] Right, and if you're in a 3-4 type of defense, he could, he can probably fill more roles than, you know, a guy like, uh, Will Anderson can.


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[Assistant] Right. He's probably strong enough to play five technique, right? It'll be that long.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's just, you know, everybody you heard talking about him before the process was a lot like I kept hearing Hassan Reddick, and then, you know, you get Hassan Reddick, I think the world of him.


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[Assistant] And then, he gets on the field and goes through a workout where he puts his on reddix to shame. Almost. Almost like, you know, what Anthony Richardson did to Cam Newton almost. Where you're like, wow. But, alright, so this Nolan Smith guy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so he's going to be stand up, blind back, or situational pass rusher, it sounds like you think, early on. I really do. I know, some of the clips I've seen, and I've studied him at nothing so far, he looks like he's, I mean of course the first step's real, he looks like he has bend. He does, it's all there. Like he can do it. It's all there.


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[Assistant] Who's number eight? Who's number eight? Wrecking shit. Who is this guy and he's built like a brick shithouse, right? I mean, phenomenal. So you weren't shocked to see this. I just TV scouting. I kept going. Nobody can block this guy. Nobody.


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[Assistant] And with the low center of gravity too, they can't be moved as easily as everybody thinks. Exactly, his leverage is unbelievable.


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[Assistant] I liked, okay, that's good to hear. I liked his body, seeing it in person. I definitely did. The other, Miles Murphy did not love his body.


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[Assistant] You know, I will say, he's a big guy, but I didn't love the overall body. And I haven't studied him yet.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the running back supposedly is supposed to be like freaky fast, right?


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[Assistant] It might be the best running back in football two years in a row, really, in college football.