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[Assistant] He can play inside or out. He has the versatility to do that. He did a lot of the Justin Jefferson slot type things.


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[Assistant] That he did for Joe Burrow in that offense. Put him in the slot. He runs slants from him from the slot.


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[Assistant] Fake slant, come back out, little incuts over the middle. So really when you look at him from, you know, the aspect of route running, it's a, he's a good route runner. I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's as good as Justin Jefferson as a route runner. I don't think he's got the same type of hips and wiggle.


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[Assistant] Uh, as far as pure speed goes, it's right there with Justin Jefferson. I think just the absolute pure speed aspect of it. And he has unbelievable feet.


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[Assistant] You know, so his ability to kind of chop, stutter at the line of scrimmage, get off jam coverage or, you know, get up to the 10 yard mark and then chop and break inside on an incut route is really special. Now, when I talk about like hips and things like that, yeah, he doesn't have the hips to maybe, you know,


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[Assistant] Go this way with his upper body and then I'm going this way and then turn the hips real seamlessly and go another way, right? Almost a disconnect between the top and the bottom half.


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[Assistant] Like that's what a lot of good route runners can do. Like make it look like I'm going this way. Hey, I'm going this way. And all of a sudden their legs are going over there. Or they can do that. That's what, he misses that a little bit in his football game. So I think that's one thing that I didn't love about him overall. But, you know,


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[Assistant] You know the size, you know the ability to route run.


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[Assistant] And a pretty good knowledge of how to set people up that way. And then I think, you know, you talk about the big playability. It's not as big playability as Justin Jefferson, but it's still damn good. He's still catching slants and seam routes in the SEC and scoring 40 and 50 and 60 yard touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Hands are not perfect. I think that's the other aspect too. If you have to talk about negativity, there is a little bit of a stiffness in the hips. And then when I look at the hands, as compared to some of the other guys we're going to talk about, you know, there, there's a few too many concentration drops and, um, I'm big with the wide receiver position too, you know, especially when you're playing over the middle with ripping the ball out of the air.


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[Assistant] You know, that's the difference sometimes between a 40 yard game and a 12 yard game.


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[Assistant] You know, you go down and you can watch two receivers go, well, they're both really fast. Why is that guy breaking this play and the other guy's not? Well, because one guy's, you know, catching it and, okay, let me put it away. Okay, I got it. Where the Odell Beckham juniors of the world and the other, you know, really top flight receivers, it's running a million miles per hour.


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[Assistant] And they, they rip it out of the air and they don't ever lose that gear of running or anything like that. That's an element too that he does not have, uh, that makes him number six. But either way, I do think he's a first round talent. And at the very worst, I think he's a top 45 pick with that size, that speed. He's a pretty damn good overall football player.


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[Assistant] Definitely not. You know, one, he's very worthy of being in this conversation from everything you see there. You know, I was aware that he was a big recruit coming out. But also, you know, the kid's young. Okay, I think he's 20.


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[Assistant] You know, and when you look at also, he got stuck in a tough spot where he couldn't be the guy. Yeaah. I mean, Jamar Chase is a superstar. We're going to talk about him later on here. Yeaah. Justin Jefferson, we just saw this year, he's kind of a superstar.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a year younger than them. He didn't really get the chance to be that go-to guy. Him not having Jamar Chase there this year, I think, was great for him. Because it kind of forced probably LSU to go, wait, we gotta get this guy the ball. It would have been nice to have Joe Burrow still. No, that's definitely one of the things you do when you evaluate, too, with Terrace Marshall. You know, just like we talked about with some of the receivers a minute ago, you know, the stats could be better.


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[Assistant] There's money plays and even some of the drops that I take into account where I go, well, I mean, that ball is, it's a helicopter. I know he dropped it and he should catch it because he got two hands on the ball. But as far as like,


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[Assistant] Catchable footballs. Man, there's a lot of balls that were thrown his way, uh, as far as from the quarterback and not having that consistent play, let alone different quarterbacks too, and doing that.


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[Assistant] He's got elite traits to have that size, you know, run the way he does. I don't think, I don't think he's ready to say it's, I think his top end speed might be faster than Justin Jefferson.


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[Assistant] Like, just as pure, like once he opens up and goes.


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[Assistant] Uhm, acceleration, ability to break arm tackles and make people miss in space with the ball in his hands. That's where Justin Jefferson was really good too. Yeah. That's where he was special. But either way, this kid is a special, special talent and he's going to help out some team I think right away in year one.


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[Assistant] Well, I do. I look at it a little bit, but not to where I don't over do it. That's where, to me, that's where scouts a little sometimes can get it a little too far into it. And I just want to see, is there, is there will to do it?


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[Assistant] I don't need a guy that going in there to kill people and do all that either. And that's not what he's put on earth for. Uhm, so yeaah, I understand like people get picky with that type of stuff.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to look for something after a while. You know, the other thing I look for with stuff like that too, just when you go into physical contact and blocking.


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[Assistant] You know, one, the NFL is going to breed them to do it a little bit more because the coach is going to mother f them and he's going to realize like damn, the running backs pissed at me because that could have been a 20 yard run, but I didn't. So you start to feel like the personal, I've let you down aspect of it. But another thing I just look at for when it comes to that aspect is


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[Assistant] When he has the ball in his hands, or he's running over the middle, and people are head hunting him, and he's gonna get crushed. You know, once I see a few times he's willing to put his shoulder down and do that, and he's not like, oh gosh, there's contact, let me get out of the way. Once I see that, I go...


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[Assistant] He'll block, he's gonna be physical, I'm not afraid about that aspect of his game.


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[Assistant] I got my own big three, okay? Two of the three there, but it ain't gonna be those three. I would say I got my own big three and then we got two here that we're about to talk to who I think are just outside the big three that are kind of their own animal here. Pete, clip that.


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[Assistant] Number five, I'm gonna go with Kaderius Tony from Florida. Okay. Alright. And he could be easily number four too. To me, it's a little bit here of like, what you want as a football player. But with Kaderius Tony, I mean, what else is more to say?


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[Assistant] I mean weapon, explosion, everything. You know, yes, is he the most nuanced route runner there is yet? You know, no, there's not. He's kind of raw when it comes to route running.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I'm not going to overanalyze it. There's enough where I see, oh, he runs five yards and he makes a sharp cut. Or, you know, certain routes where I go, okay, that was really well done. He's doing it more right now with just a pure physical ability because that's what he can do.


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[Assistant] He's, he's got incredible acceleration. I would really say, you know, it's top tier as far as anybody involved in this draft as far as getting up to top speed in the first two to three steps. You know, and really rare too with a weapon guy like this, like there's a physicality element to his game. You know, with the speed sweeps, the slants over the middle, you know, I would say really,


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[Assistant] Jamar Chase, who's gonna be in that top three, who are we talking about? To me, it's those, it's Jamar Chase and Tony, who are the most dangerous with their, with the ball in their hand. Okay. Because one, of course, hey, they're fast as hell. They're quick as hell to make people miss Kaderia's Tony.


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[Assistant] You know, they're just, they're not afraid to lower a shoulder and bounce off somebody. They run through a number of arm tackles to go along with that. So I think that's the thing you talk about. When you talk about Kadarius Tony, it's acceleration, it's twitchiness, and then, you know, top end speed is pretty damn elite too. So there's nothing not to like. He fits the NFL game.


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[Assistant] No matter, you know, okay yeaah, I'd like to see him be a little different as a route runner or just a little bit more experienced that way, but I've seen enough to know that's totally a possibility and he has all the physical tools to be a great great route runner.


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[Assistant] It is. It is. That's why some of the route running, you know, if you're really going to break it down as a little raw, but he doesn't need to because like what you're saying, there's such an elite quickness and twitchiness to where


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[Assistant] Like, hey, we're supposed to like, you know, go out here and, you know, make a break and break to the left and then we're going to break back inside. He just will go up and just kind of just be like,


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[Assistant] He'll just come to a jump stop and then explode over the middle and it just doesn't matter because he got the guy to freeze for half a second and then he accelerates and he runs away from them.


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[Assistant] You know, but, but I think what you're talking about too is that and the ability to like stick his foot in the ground, you know, at full speed. See, those are the things I saw enough of to go, okay, it's not every play. I'd like to see it more in certain routes and things like that.


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[Assistant] See enough on film to go, oh, he's gonna be able to do this. It's not even gonna be, you know, a huge adjustment for him altogether. But I think again, too, the other thing you talk about, like, you know, with the, with a guy like this is speed, a weapon, and then the icing on the cake to me is,


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[Assistant] The, the, he plays bigger than his size. That's where I really like his game too. You know, he's a guy that even though he's six foot, you could throw 50, 50 balls up on the sideline and he goes and gets the football. I think that's the thing I was really surprised to too. So there's no doubt that he is a first round pick.


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[Assistant] And really, really worthy of being a top 20 pick, top 25 pick, somewhere in that range. But Difference Maker, and a guy too that, again, you can put him outside and he can run by people with pure speed, or you can have him in the slot doing all that Tyree kill, Debo Samuel stuff, and really never miss a beat that way either.


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[Assistant] But I will say the pure top-end speed, like when we're just talking about now top-end, we've opened up, right? We're past the acceleration phase.


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[Assistant] He's not the same speed as the other three guys, the top three we're going to talk about in a little bit. Top three guys that we're going to talk about have like 100 meter track speed, can outrun anybody. Tony is really fast and I think he'd probably run


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[Assistant] A low 4-4, you know, maybe a high 4-3, but it would be an incredible first 10, stuff like that, where I think he'd really get out of the hole.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, he's going to fit in any offense because he's so talented. I mean, there's really not one that I sit there and just go, oh, you know, for this day and age in the NFL.


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[Assistant] This is just, everybody wants these kind of guys. Everybody wants to have that some sort of element. It doesn't matter who you are. You know, even the most basic of offenses now are doing fake speed sweeps and doing stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Well, Seattle could do more of it, that's for sure. Even they started to do a little, but you're right. I mean, again, I don't know if I have a spot right now that jumps out to me.


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[Assistant] But Tyree Killish, any of, any of those top, those top receivers that are weapons in that way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's how I look at this player. But yeah, it's more of, it's more of that, the Tyree Killish, uhm, I don't want to say Stefan Diggs, I know there's somebody else I'm probably missing here. DJ Moore, my guy from Carolina. It's that kind of guy. It's a little bit more, again, of the, almost the running back,


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[Assistant] You know, playing wide receiver type aspect, uh, of his game and, and it's special and it's a highlight reel and it's fun to watch.


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[Assistant] Number four, and I'm telling you, it's close between me and number four and five to me, again, but this is where I'm gonna go with Jalen Waddle as number four. He is on the outside of the big three for me, alright?


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[Assistant] I really like Jaylen Waddle. Let's just make sure everybody knows that right now. I'd be really happy if I was a quarterback and Jaylen Waddle was playing wide receiver for me. I guess, listen, the reason I got Jaylen Waddle as number four is because I think he's a true slot receiver.


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[Assistant] Okay, I do have a little bit of a, uhm, a concern as far as size of the player. Now, he's really good at getting off jam and getting off, he's good at the line of scrimmage. But again, it's NFL DBs and on the outside,


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[Assistant] I'm not, I'm not sure I'm sold he can win on the outside. Play after play after play against the top tier wide receivers in all of football. That's, that's my, that's why he's four, not in the top three or anything like that, alright? I think he's a true slot. Not to say he can't go outside a little bit and do that. Yeaah, I know he can.


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[Assistant] I think between that, alright, so you talk about the size a little there, and then acceleration, twitchiness, quickness, off the charts good. But speed.


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[Assistant] Pure straight-line speed is not as, not as good as the top three I'm gonna talk about, nor do I think as pure straight-line speed is as fast as, you know, uh, Kaderius Tony out of Florida that we just talked about. But now when we talk about route running and being a nuanced game, day one, game one, ready NFL slot receiver, excuse me, that's where, I mean, Waddle's ready to go.


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[Assistant] Waddle understands everything. I mean, first off, he's still fast, so don't get me wrong here. I mean, we're talking a guy that I still think would be mid 4-4s, something like that, but probably unbelievable 5-10-5 and 3 cone drill and being able to change his body and doing all that.


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[Assistant] Really, it is the route running. And not only just because of the physical ability and to be able to, you know, jam the foot in the ground and come out of a break and do all that, but he really understands how to set DBs up. Oh, you're covering me. He understands how to attack you and the leverage.


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[Assistant] And set it up and create the separation by himself, let alone forget the offense and what they can do for him. So I think that's where he's really really special. Incredible hips, can stick the foot in the ground.


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[Assistant] Accelerate at a break. So, you know, now we're talking about, yeaah, he can do all these hips things, right? He can get you thinking this way, and then it's BOOM, and he sticks it and goes that way, and he loses no speed when he sticks his foot in the ground and accelerates.


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[Assistant] That's, that's where the, that's to me where it is the slot guy. Cause anywhere in that


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[Assistant] 10 to 15 to 20 range, he's gonna create any, or underneath of course, he's gonna create the separation. He's got unreal suddenness too. And also within, you know, he understands how to change speeds and he understands how to, you know,


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[Assistant] Hey, I'm, I'm running at 70% and we're running and then all of a sudden it's, you know, boom, jam the brakes on.


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[Assistant] You know, oh yeaah here, stay outside here, stay outside. You know, attacking leverage is such a big part of wide receiver route running.


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[Assistant] But you know, you got a guy out here. So many of the times you see college receivers with a guy over here.


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[Assistant] They try to kind of almost run away from him, which plays into the DB's hands, because now he's like, well wait, I don't have to worry about behind me now, I can come forward and attack you and the receiver. So like the good ones, like a waddle, like yo, the guy's out here, he understands where, yea, he wants to go in there.


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[Assistant] But he's gonna back that guy off to where it's not gonna be easy for him to go in there. And he's gonna really threaten that leverage to make that guy go that way he's protecting to then for, hit the breaks or hit the afterburners to cut away from him. That's where Waddle was really good.


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[Assistant] I-I-I do, yeaah, I do. And you know, more I value, of course, the ability to go on the outside. I do. Because again, not everybody will, you know,


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[Assistant] Not everybody's gonna get put in the perfect offense and get the advantages of being in the slot. Are we gonna perfect you? So, right off the bat, I just wanna go.


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[Assistant] Well, you just need to handle it, right. So that's the first thing I want to see. What if you get stuck with some crappy offense who doesn't do motion?


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[Assistant] And now they put you outside a lot in two, you know, one tight end, two backs, and there's two receivers. You're playing outside receiver a lot.


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[Assistant] You know, I take that into evaluation here though. I go, I don't think Jalen Waddle is going to be perfect for that formula. You know, that's not his...


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[Assistant] He can be successful, but I don't think it's like made for him.


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[Assistant] To me, he's made to be, you know, there's three receivers on the field, he's the inside of those three receivers, and he works the middle of the field, he's smart, and he's got, you know, all those attributes to be that special player that way. So I think that's what I challenge him on. You know, outside guy have to have, to me,


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[Assistant] Really special speed, straight speed, or size to go along with it.


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[Assistant] To be able to win with your physicality aspect too. And that to me is where Waddle, you know, again, the lack of straight long speed and the lack of size just scare me a little bit with him on the outside as a regular receiver.


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[Assistant] So let's put this into like a little... I like waddle better than I liked...


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[Assistant] But I like him more as an NFL football player than either one of those guys. Hey, rugs was a projection.


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[Assistant] Rob's was a projection, I don't know what else to say. He was. It was a little bit like, ehh, I wish the tape were a little better.


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[Assistant] But damn, he can do some freaky things we've seen on tape, and we think he might be able to come into being a superstar receiver with that type of speed and he was tough and those type of things. He was a projection. Okay, he's got these elite traits, he hasn't really put it all together.


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[Assistant] It's a good question. I think the top end of this class is every bit as comparable to the top end of last year's class. Like I think if you took


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[Assistant] Maybe the, they're a little different and of course, you know, the size, speed, the different kinds of guys and all that, all that, but I still think just pure talent. I think when you take like the top 8 or 10, it's comparable to last year. And then it falls off. Last year it,


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[Assistant] It never really fell off. You got to like 8 or 10 and you were like, well man, guy 15 is...


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[Assistant] Somebody might think he's just as good as guy 8 on the list. You know what I mean? And I understood that. You know, last year there was legitimately


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[Assistant] 20-something receivers you looked at and you went, they could all be in the top 50 of the draft and I wouldn't be mad at it. I understand it. I think this year, yea, we probably got more like 10 or 11 that are that way and, uh, then there's a drop.


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[Assistant] This is the guy that I just don't understand why nobody's talking about this guy. That's why he's my guy. This is my, let's say my Chase Claypool of this year, right? And I didn't chicken out and not put him in the top five.


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[Assistant] But Diami Brown. Diami Brown from North Carolina. To me this is the, and let me just preface it this. We got the top three here.


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[Assistant] And I think the top three are close, alright. I think it's close. I'm not sitting here going, oh number one is purely number one. Number one, two and three to me are special. Like special superstars.


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[Assistant] Like, can, really can have a bright future. And Diyami Brown to me was the one that like, out of all the guys I watched in the draft, I just went, whoa, who's this guy?


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[Assistant] Like, okay, I saw a little North Carolina football this year. I remember watching him catch like, you know, one deep pass and whatever else. But you know me, I'm a casual college guy. I'm not like breaking it down during the season. But as I turned him on, it was literally from like the first snap. I swear to you the first snap I went.


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[Assistant] Whoa, whoa, okay, it's- Play one, I'm not trying to judge, but play one.


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[Assistant] I think just the way he took off, like they said, set hut, and the way he took off, and like the first ten steps, I just went, that looked like a superstar. I don't know. I haven't seen anything else yet. Let's see if he can catch.


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[Assistant] I don't know, and he can do anything else, but the way he moved and took off, I went, uh-oh, like acceleration, top notch, top end speed. It's Odell Beckham Jr. with the ball in the air type speed. I mean, it's, he has another gear. There's nobody that can run with this kid. Nobody. I didn't see one game.


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[Assistant] That anybody could even run with them. In fact, and in so many of the games, it's good DBs who are nine yards off and they're, they're running back at the start of the snap. They're like set hut and they're literally running back. Like you can have the 10 yard curl route. We'll give it to you.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna let you put me on a highlight for a 60 yard bump. Can he do that in the NFL? He can do that in the NFL. And this isn't just some speed straight line guy. First off, route running I thought was through the roof. In all aspects.


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[Assistant] You know, again, being able to break down, stick your foot in the ground. You know, coming back to the ball was one thing that I didn't like early on in the film. And I went, as the year went on, I went, ooh, he's coming back to the ball. So this guy, he adjusts on the fly to fix some of the issues he had altogether. But, you know, pure raw speed and ability.


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[Assistant] Whether that's top end speed that I think is probably 4-3 type speed, right? Maybe faster. I don't know. Alright. Then, you know, acceleration that we talked about with wattle and


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[Assistant] Kadarius Tony, it's, it's right up there with them as far as the acceleration's concerned. It's special. You know, maybe he's not quite as twitchy in the jitterbug those two guys are. Like that slot type there they are. But still, this is unbelievable feet at the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] You know, and really understands how to set DBs up and has incredible start stop ability. So double moves, you know, or a fake curl route. He breaks down and then reaccelerates again.


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[Assistant] I mean, I was just blown away by the guy altogether, let alone it's not just some track guy on me. It's not just some guy who just fasts and does all that. You know, again, you go back to the physicality thing and that.


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[Assistant] Man, he catches the ball over the middle, snatches it out of the air, which I love, which means when he's, he can catch slants and go for 70 yard touchdowns and it, it's, it's, there's no shying away from contact.


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[Assistant] He's got no problem with that. I mean, really, I think...


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[Assistant] You know, as you could tell, I'm very excited about him because he's just one of those guys that just go, I don't understand why he's not getting a little more credit.


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[Assistant] You know, super. And, okay, listen, we know who the top two receivers are going to be. Don't give away. No, I know. But I'll just say, between pure top end speed, him and Devonte Smith from Alabama have another gear that nobody else has. Just pure top end speed.


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[Assistant] You know, Chase is, is really close right there, but I don't think his top end speed, you know, 30 through 60 yards is on the level of, of Diami Brown and, and Devonte Smith, who when they open up, it's like, yeah, good luck. You're not catching them.


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[Assistant] No doubt. I have no doubt. I figured that would be the knock. You know, it's just funny when it's like, well, we just found a way for him to run by everybody. That's the only way we used him. You know, he can only run by everybody. So that's why we put him out there. Yeah. Okay. That's why he did that role because


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[Assistant] Mac Brown who's like, I haven't had a guy that can run like this. Holy cow, he's got rockets up his ass so he can run by people. But no, I was really impressed with the route running. And I was impressed with


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[Assistant] Whether it was the six yard hitch route or the slant route or anything like that, it wasn't like, I was really impressed with the, like I said, the ability to snatch the ball, but instantaneously get up field and


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[Assistant] Look for yards after the catch and do those type of things. But yes, whether it was in cuts, deep comebacks, all of those things.


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[Assistant] I thought he had a great feel again of changing speeds like we talked about. Right. You know, especially when you're really fast, because everyone's always worried about you're either running the go route, right? So now, you know, guys like him, and Devontae Smith does this too, you know, they come off the line of scrimmage and they're kind of running like 90%.


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[Assistant] And the DB's still like, okay, wait, he might hit the afterburners on, so I'm still worried about the go route. And then, you know, maybe a...


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[Assistant] They go crap, he was only going 50% before. Right, and he hits it, so now they're, now they hit their other gear, cause they go, I better get on my horse, he's gonna run by me.


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[Assistant] And then boom at 20 yards, he breaks it down and he's wide open for an easy completion for the quarterback. So what do you think other people are missing on here?


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[Assistant] I would be shocked if we don't start to hear more about this guy as we get closer, longer in on this. You know, again.


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[Assistant] A lot of my NFL friends, they're just getting into draft stuff. So that I, you know, I have some friends who are just like, oh yeah, I've seen a little on him, but I haven't seen him yet and all that. But I would think this is a guy, as we get closer to it, where you're gonna hear, he's riding up, he's rising up draft boards. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Well, the scouts have seen it, front office people have seen it, but coaches who I, who I talk to more than anything are not all the way through the draft yet. And, uh, yeah, but too many elite things about the game. Elite speed, elite acceleration, you know, has good size and route running is borderline elite too.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think this guy has superstar written all over him. Like, I'm a huge fan of him. And again, I know he's number three, but it's like, for me, you could almost go one A, one B, and one C with what we got here as one, two, three down the stretch.


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[Assistant] I know, well that's where highlights can be different from film too, because you get to see the whole picture.


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[Assistant] And sometimes what film does compared to TV, you see a replay of a play, and they show that guy, you know, either in the screen by himself, or, you know, he's in the screen by himself, you get to see the DB a little bit, unlike the back end of the screen.


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[Assistant] But what would really, like where film is great, especially for receivers, you get to see their speed in relation to the whole field.


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[Assistant] You know, that's where at all 22 view, and you get to see the whole field there, you get to start to see, oh, whoa, whoa, oh, he caught this ball, alright, I see all these guys on the field from this school, they're fast, and he's faster than all of them, he's running by them all. The tape over here is moving faster than everywhere else over here. It didn't sound like you were impressed with it though there, I was disappointed to hear that.


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[Assistant] Davante Smith will be my number two. Okay. Okay, and again, as you...


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[Assistant] And, obviously, Jamar Chase is gonna be my number one. But, I mean, this is neck and net.


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[Assistant] You know, neck and neck with, with my man Diami Brown just being barely on the outside of these, these two guys to go along with it. Alright, so let's talk the first thing. I mean, first off,


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[Assistant] We know Devontae Smith is a freak of nature. I mean, you've seen it. You saw enough college football. You can be the most casual of football fans there are to know, wait, wait, number six in Alabama is the real deal. Who the hell is this guy? All right, but here, let's just dispel some of the rumors right off the bat. You know, he's 6'1", he's 175.


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[Assistant] This is a different body than a snoop menace. Snoop menace is really narrow and like small hip and legs were close together. Devontae Smith is a high cut, high waisted guy with some more thickness in his legs and


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[Assistant] Again, I don't know what his size is, but the way he looks as a human being and just my history being around football, he looks like a guy that it's not gonna be like hard for him to get bigger as he gets older here. I think there's gonna be natural weight that comes along with it. But despite all of that, like,


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[Assistant] There's nothing on film to say that strength is an issue with the game. Nothing.


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[Assistant] Like, there's absolutely nothing you can look at to go...


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[Assistant] You know, oh, well, this concerns me. See, this is, I've seen ten clips like this where he gets jammed at the line of scrimmage or the ball's in the air down the field and the guys are hand fighting and he's totally just getting thrown off kilter and he can't hold his ground, right?


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[Assistant] He's got an incredible play strength and physicality to his game that I thought was the most pleasant surprise of all. That's why I like the Diami Brown too. I didn't really get to hit on that aspect. He plays through contact. I'm big with that at receiver. They're not going to call pass interference every play.


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[Assistant] So what, can you finish your routes at 15 and 20 yards down the field when you've been armbarred or hit? You know, some of these guys we could talk about later, where that's why I go, they're not in the first round conversation. They get hit and they're, the route's over. They're all over the place. Like Devontae Smith.


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[Assistant] He can play through contact, the 50-50 balls, catching the ball through traffic is really good. You know, when people do get a hand on him at the line of scrimmage, he can fight right through it and has no issue. The play is not ruined, right? And let alone at the line of scrimmage, he's incredible at getting off the ball and not letting you get jammed. You know, like


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[Assistant] You know, like Jamar Chase, Devonte Smith, De'Ami Brown.


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[Assistant] They have great jump cut ability. And what I mean by that like in jump cut ability is, again if you're a wide receiver,


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[Assistant] You know, and you're getting stuck with split stands too much, going around DBS and jam coverage. If they get their hand on you, you're gonna lose your balance. Yeaah. Like, Smith and De'Ami Brown and Jamar Chase are awesome at coming off the ball. You know, stutter stepping, right? So now the DB's like this, and then they get to this spot, right here.


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[Assistant] They go right here, almost to a split stance. And now they can go either way. And that gives the DB, you know, there's no tell. And then of course, they're in a strength position, even if you do get the hand on them, to be like, no, I got a base underneath me and I'm going to be able to rip through that hand or whatever else that hits me. That's where Devonte Smith has that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so just, that was the first question I needed to have answered. Cause I was, I heard about the rumors and I see the player and what he looks like. You go, I heard a rumor he was skinny and then


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[Assistant] He is skinny, I understand that, you know, but, but the film...


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[Assistant] You know, Mack Jones sees he's covered. They put it in the right spot. He can adjust to the ball the right way. And yea, people are hanging on him and touching him. It doesn't matter. He grabs the football.


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[Assistant] To me, it also speaks to a little bit like would dispel the physicality thing.


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[Assistant] You're not throwing like one guy all these screens if you don't feel like he can make people miss and be comfortable like, oh I've caught the ball two yards behind the line of scrimmage and now I'm coming up the middle and there's defense alignment and linebackers and I'm in the scrum with all of them.


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[Assistant] If he was some, you know, lack of a better phrase, wimpy, I'm gonna get down type wide receiver, they wouldn't have been doing all that. And it's a great compliment, because the other aspect, like the guy we just talked about with De'Ame Brown, who these are the two fastest receivers in the draft, like,


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[Assistant] The speed is special. It's really special.


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[Assistant] You know, he gets into that jump cut like we talked about, Amin, and I don't care, SEC, DBs, whoever it is, when he gets in that position and if somebody's close, he's gonna run by them. He's running by them. His ability to get in that jump split


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[Assistant] And then take off, and within two or three steps, be even with a guy, and now, oh wait, the ball's going in the air, and it's another 20 yards downfield, I'm gonna go catch a 30 yard fade route down the sidelines. He pulls away from everybody. Right. You know, so it's, it's all around special, let alone he has way better strength and physicality than I was expecting.


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[Assistant] Well, I think he's got the, he's got superstar. It could be the best player on your, he can be the best player, best wide receiver on your team. He does have that. But to that, to the point there, that's also what makes them special, I think.


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[Assistant] You know, and really maybe where I make him and Jamar chase one and two, he shows all those intangibles to, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, here's Mac Jones. Nobody's open and he's moving in the pocket.


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[Assistant] And he's got a great feel to go like, Oh, let me get over here. Here's a good spot where I think, you know, the quarterback can find me in the whole of this zone or whatever. He's got a great natural instinct of how to play the game and he's a great route runner.


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[Assistant] It just, there's really nothing not to like about him. The only thing you're going to question is that size and physicality. And I'm sure that when he goes through personal workouts, that's what people are going to test him with more than anything. You know, but two,


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[Assistant] I mean, he can, he has a knack to where I'll say him and Jamar Chase are the only, they're, they're above everybody else, even better than the my man Diyami Brown at this too. Where, you know, they have a knack of, like, go to the widescreen, Kristen here, just for a second, where, you know, let's say,


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[Assistant] You know, I, I'm the receiver, the quarterback's over there, the DB's over here, right? He's, he's, so I've run a curl route and the DB's behind me. They have great feel for Devontae Smith of going like, he's run the route, now he comes out, he's gonna get the ball, and he,


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[Assistant] Just catching it and literally going, like the DB's here, he had a feel for where he was, and he just snatches it out of the ground and seamlessly, it's almost like, man I think he started running before he even caught the ball.


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[Assistant] He's that good and it's the difference sometimes between a 10 yard curl route or wait, he caught a 10 yard curl route and then I'm getting 22 yards because you know, he caught the ball and took three steps up the field and he was already 15 yards down the field before everybody kind of, you know, gathered in and trying to tackle him.


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[Assistant] Kick return. He can do all of that. Both the Alabama guys, really, any of these guys that we're talking about all have that capability.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe, maybe in a big game, whatever. Hey, it's the playoffs. You know, that's what I like. Joey Galloway used to do that.


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[Assistant] With Tampa, like when we had a big moment or a big part of the game, okay now he's gonna go back and return the punt. But you don't want him doing it like all game long, every week. That's when you're, you know, a recipe for disaster.


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[Assistant] Well, Jamar Chase to me is just a slam dunk. That's where it's like, okay, Devante Smith, you know, ooh, okay, the size thing is a little skinny, okay, it's not perfect.


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[Assistant] You know, De'Ami Brown, maybe you could say a little bit, yeah, I'd like to see what she got used in a few different ways, right? Like you talked about, it was just the go, like, okay, I'm being nitpicky. Jamar Chase is just, it's the safest, let alone


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[Assistant] Like I said, I think it's, okay, he's one, Devontae Smith is one A, and De'Ami Brown is one B. I wouldn't be mad if any of those three went off the board. If somebody went


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[Assistant] Oh, this, we picked this receiver first. I'm not going to go, well, that's just so stupid. How could you pass up that other guy? I think they're all worthy of it in my opinion. I, I, you know, but yeah, when it comes to Jamar Chase, he just has everything. I mean, first off, he has the ability to be an elite slot receiver.


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[Assistant] So he could be an elite slot receiver. He's not the most, like, technique, well-schooled route runner yet. But again, it's like our old thing. Like, let's not over-evaluate the guy that we've seen can do every movement on the planet with his hips and his feet. And just because no one's taught him exactly how to run the routes yet, let's not say, ooh, he's not a good route runner. No, there's plenty of good.


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[Assistant] You know, one, he could be the best slot in football, but he also could be like the best outside weapon in football too, and just run by you with pure speed. And I think between all the other guys too, we're talking about maybe other than


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[Assistant] This is the best receiver with the ball in his hands. That's where he's special. So one, he can separate route running. Two, he plays way bigger than 6'1", 200. You know, that's the one thing I like about him, Devontae Smith.


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[Assistant] You know, there's 6'1", 6'1", all that, but man, when the ball's in the air, it's not 50-50. That's the other thing, you know, like you've heard me say before, it's kinda like 70-30 when the ball's in the air with these guys. So he has that aspect, but as far as going over the middle and being fearless, he's the most fearless of all of them.


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[Assistant] You know, and again, snatches the ball out of the air and is a guy that is looking to make big plays happen. Hey, Matt Casey, look at there he is, baby. He's looking. Yep. The Jets aren't getting him. Sorry. But I am, uh, I'm really excited about Jamar Chase because he is again,


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[Assistant] Awesome receiver, weapon, he can do everything you want on the offensive side of the ball where it's like you can line him up a tail back and give him the toss sweeps. You can do it all with him.


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[Assistant] Most of it, and to me was, if you remember last year in the quarterback rankings, that to me was one of the positives of AJ Terrell. Everyone going,


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[Assistant] Well, he got beat in that LSU game. I wanted to go, no, no, he never got beat. He was there with Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase just always caught it. He just couldn't break the ball up. But I thought that was a big thing for me. But it was also a positive for Jamar Chase to go, oh, look, even when he has a guy that can run with him a little bit and has talent.


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[Assistant] He's still a real option down the field. So he's special, you know, just from that aspect of being able to win one on ones outside.


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[Assistant] You know, like Smith and De'Ami Brown, he has the jump cut we talked about. He gives himself the two-way go off the line of scrimmage. So it's boom, you don't know which way he's gonna go. He always has balance. And like those other two guys too,


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[Assistant] Within three steps, he's by you and on top of you and now putting his hand up and you're going, uh oh, watch out.


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[Assistant] I mean, I understand, but he's more explosive than they are. Straight away speed. That's where I look at it. You know, those guys were great because they can make people miss and do that. And that's where, I mean, he can do that. He's awesome at catching a slot slant over the middle.


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[Assistant] And now there's a linebacker there, and he hits the brakes, and he makes him miss, and then it's up the field five yards, and now there's a safety, and he makes him miss, and now he turns it on, and he tries to outrun everybody. Like, there's a lot of that, but like, that's where Dez Bryant and Anquan Bolden couldn't do that.


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[Assistant] You know, they can make you miss, but they weren't gonna re-accelerate and now beat people 50 yards down the sideline for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] That to me is where he has another gear. Really, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, I'm trying to, and I didn't write down a whole lot of pro comparisons, and I know I've already used this one already this, this today, where I said this, but to me it's, again, it's a better version of like a DJ Moore.


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[Assistant] You know, from Carolina. It's that kind of guy again, too.


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[Assistant] Where it's, yeaah, he could catch a screen and go for 80. He could just beat you over the top for 80. He could catch a slant.


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[Assistant] Break a few tackles, make people miss, do all that for a 50 yard game. Uhm, it's, it's, it's, he's a really special player. And again, I think he is the number one receiver in the draft, but I don't think it's by the leaps and bounds that I think I've seen some people try to say it is.


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[Assistant] Chase was better than Jefferson last year. You know, the one thing that does think about Chase is yeah, we didn't get to see him play football this year.


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[Assistant] He's definitely worthy of a top 10, top 15 pick. Anyway, he's a game breaker. I mean, that's really all there is to say. And again, you know,


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[Assistant] The big thing too would just be knowing the guy and knowing the player. This is where teams are going to have to do their due diligence this year. It just is, you know, what kind of guy is this kid? Did he just like during the season this year just put his feet up and, you know, drink chocolate milk the whole time and chocolate milkshakes or?


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, again, like a lot of these guys we talked about, you're right, it's not, there's not going to be any, uhm, any system that they don't fit into. Right. Right? And let me pull up.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, exactly right. The top 5 or 6 guys we've talked about here today all have really really special traits and should be able to fit anywhere. And I'm just looking here.


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[Assistant] You have to play that. That's where it's going to be how you scout them, how they're ranked on your board, right? Yeah, okay. If you have Jamar Chase as your number one receiver and he's got a


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[Assistant] Six point eight grade. Yeaah. Right? And you're, and let's just say you're the dolphins at number three.


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[Assistant] But you got Devontae Smith at 6'7", and Diami Brown at 6'7", and Kaderius Tony at, you know,


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[Assistant] Six, six, five. And that may be where you go, well maybe we, if somebody wants to trade up with us, we trade down. And we might not get the guy that we have number one, but we have two, three, four, and five just barely underneath them, and now we got an extra first round pick or an extra second round pick. That'll be what teams have to decide.


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[Assistant] I mean, the Dolphins are the team I look at there, but I don't think they're number three. But I don't think they're going to do it. You know, they have Demonte Parker, they have Preston Williams, and they just signed Will Fuller.


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[Assistant] And I don't think that group down there, Blind Flores, you know, being New England is a, we're gonna pick a number three wide receiver in the draft. I just, that's just my, what my heart tells me.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think the Falcons, I don't know if they're gonna go there right now. Not with Julio and Ridley. The Bengals, I don't expect either.


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[Assistant] You know, be interesting, but, you know, it's a pretty good core receivers they got there as well. Yea, they weren't maybe as good as we thought they were going to be. No, no, you're right, but when you take in Boyd and, uhm, T. Higgins, right?


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[Assistant] And then, yeah, Audentate, you know, maybe they think about it. Maybe. The Eagles certainly have a need. The Lions have a need.


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[Assistant] You know, they would be a team that I certainly would look at.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think teams like taking receivers in the top five. Not this day and age right now in the NFL where we see all these receivers year after year like you're talking about. There's still some good free agent receivers out in the market. You're seeing the market for free agent wide receivers. The money is not as great I think because of all these aspects we're talking about.


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[Assistant] I don't have a good answer for that yet as far as where these guys go because I also need to see the rest of the draft, right?


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[Assistant] See, this is to my point though. You're right. So this is a good question. Because like, you know, you know.


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[Assistant] I saw Julio Jones on the field in the pregame of the National Championship against Texas, and I remember sitting there going, oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] What a freaking nature this guy is. You know, that's a top 5 pick. And he went what, like number 9? Or number 7? But 6. Okay, so he was close. Okay. Hold on a second here. The last wide receiver to go top 5.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I didn't give that the greatest review. Anybody else wants to go watch my grading of that pick? Uh, I did not. You know, my, my big thing, I like Corey Davis a lot. I never saw a pure...


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[Assistant] Then I, yeaah, I don't know if you're a top five specimen. You know, the really sp- freaky receivers are like ready to leave after two years, like Jamar Chase. And then the third year they're like watch me, I'm gonna kill college football and I'm definitely a top 15 pick.


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[Assistant] This group could challenge that though. This group could. We could see a top 5 guy gone this year. I will say this, I think there's a good chance you could see those top 3 guys off the board in the top 15.


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[Assistant] I would, I would say that strong. I wouldn't be surprised if this year maybe we have two guys go in the top ten at the wide receiver position. You know, it just, again, what you have to also look at, the teams that need receivers, we talked about the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] I expect the Jets to go with Zach Wilson, so I don't think that's gonna happen. The Bengals could be a team that maybe...


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[Assistant] So you got the dolphins, the bangles, the eagles, the lions at number seven.


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[Assistant] They all could use receiver help. Carolina, the Broncos, and the Cowboys, and the Giants at 8, 9, 10, and 11, and then the 49ers at 12.


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[Assistant] And really the Chargers of 13 do not need receiver help.


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[Assistant] So it's gonna be about those teams we first mentioned there and are they gonna, you know, bite the hook or are they gonna wait till later on and maybe the top of the second round to get a guy they like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you just say, you just say and we'll go one by one. Okay. North Texas. Yeah. Jaylen Darden. Ooh, like one of my favorite watches. There are weapon, you know, again, this is a guy that fits into like I was talking about earlier.


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[Assistant] You know, plays tough, can run routes. Uhm, I really liked him. He is a weapon and I just read, there's no doubt, you know, for me, he's a top 50 pick in the NFL draft. Jalen Darden has some


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[Assistant] Gotta, well, he, the, the one of the, the, the first guy never makes a tackle on, on Jalen Doe. Never.


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[Assistant] It really, so his ability to make people miss and then shoot up field is really special. Like, I mean, it's top of the line. In this day and age in the NFL too, I'm not worried about 5'9", 174, the way that offensive coordinators move guys, stack guys and do all that stuff. He's my number one.


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[Assistant] 2-2 Atwell. Same type of guy. Same type of guy. Similar. I mean, there's nothing not to like about 2-2 Atwell other than just like a Jaylen Darden. It's just, it's small. It's really small. But, but like, top of the line,


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[Assistant] You know, ability to change directions. You know, burst in and out of breaks. And then, you know, the top end speed, again, it's 4-3 range. You know, this is why I said it, there's 8 or 10 guys to me that are top 50 pick material, cause they're game breakers.


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[Assistant] You know, he has got a really, really special talent that way. And like a legit superstar slot receiver.


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[Assistant] But also, like that weaponed ability, like we talked about, like an attire-y kill or whatever, where you can give him a speed sweep and he can turn the corner and go up 80 yards for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] More of a straight liner. I'm gonna say he's a step below those guys that I just talked about. Not quite the route runner. Alright. A little bit more of like a


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[Assistant] Denzel Mims who came from Baylor last year. Uh, as far as just a straight line, if there's an alley to go straight away, he's gonna outrun you and make some things happen. He can outrun you just going deep and doing all that. Maybe not as quite as quick or as physical as some of these guys with the ball in his hands and making people miss that way.


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[Assistant] But, like, the speed is undeniable, and would think he's another guy that's probably a 4-3-40 type of guy.


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[Assistant] It's the same kind of guy. It's like, it's like these smaller slot receivers who have superstar top end speed to go on the outside and beat you that way.


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[Assistant] Just like Tutu Atwell or Darden, you know, I would say, you know, Tutu Atwell, Darden from North Texas, and Eskridge, I think they're, I would put them in a group right outside that top six. Where I'd have the Houston guy below them. Okay.


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[Assistant] The same type of thing, I mean, it's, it's, yeaah, I wish they weighed a little bit more, there was a little more strength to their game, but it's not like,


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[Assistant] It's like so, oh, they're so small. If they get jammed, they're going to be all over the place. And you know, they're not going to be able to run the ball, catch the ball over the middle and do those types of things. You know, for the smaller type guys, I was really impressed with.


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[Assistant] You know, their fearlessness over the middle and how they did kind of weave in and out of traffic and all that. So yeaah, there's another guy to me. Again, the NFL, as you heard me say during the year, it's about homers and strikeouts.


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[Assistant] You know, guys that can catch a six yard outrout, that's cool. And we want them on our team. But I want guys that can catch 60 yard bombs. And that's what we're looking for here. It's elite traits. And these guys have elite traits. And that's usually what determines whether you go in the first or second round.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in the old days, people would have been scared. But now with the rules about hitting protected receivers over the middle, and the way receivers are used in offenses and moved around, like we talked about, I don't think that fear is nearly as big as what it was, you know, 10, 15 years ago.


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[Assistant] Like Rashad Bateman, he's a mid-round pick. It's a good question. But Rashad Bateman would be the poster child of like how we started off the podcast. When you talk about, you know, the stats.


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[Assistant] And some of the nuanced things you can look into are misleading.


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[Assistant] You know, first off, they have a pretty good offense in Minnesota. Second off, they put him in the spot to always kind of be the game plan play, hey,


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[Assistant] We're gonna do all this so you can catch the ball and be wide open on the 8 yard out route and the slot route, right? Here we got, we got three receivers out here. You're the inside of three. These two guys on the outside, we're gonna create all the space to now where you can be the main guy that catches the ball.


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[Assistant] There's good there, but there's nothing elite about his play. And he would scare me to death on the outside.


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[Assistant] You know, as far as against like legit NFL corners to where I would think he'd have a hard time separating. So he's kind of a big slot that way.


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[Assistant] He could have a solid career in the NFL. I'm not trying to say anything like that. But to me, he has no traits that say he's a top 50 picks, he's really elite at this aspect.


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[Assistant] And that's why, you know, he'll go in the first two rounds. I'd be shocked. I think he's kind of a late third, fourth round type guy.


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[Assistant] No, I think Vance had more athletic upside. At least with Vance, I got to see a lot of SEC, ooh, you're man to man, this guy's a good corner.


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[Assistant] And he could make the, he could, oh, guys from Auburn who are both in the first round, I can make him miss and get open and do that stuff. He was a really nuanced, really quick, great route runner. Bateman, I'm not gonna say is that.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a good route runner, but not a great route runner. Doesn't have some of those skills Van Jefferson has, but still a slot guy with some size and dependable hands and played some football and he'll find a role on the team for sure.


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[Assistant] It, to me, was one of the more disappointing watches of all. Really?


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[Assistant] I kept going, oh my gosh, this kid's a superstar. He's going to be, we're going to be talking about him for a top 20 pick in two years. Kentucky Gatorade Player of the Year in high school. Right. You know, uhm, what is it, the, the Brahm, the coach there at Purdue, he was the one that got him there. I think that's what kind of got my eye on him a little bit, but they're,


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[Assistant] There is a lack of explosiveness and speed in his game that he lost with these injuries over the last two years. I don't know anyone to say it. He's the kind of guy that...


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[Assistant] He's probably going to get drafted in the middle of the draft, but hopefully somebody's got the inside track on, ooh, but he'll be okay in a year or two from now. Right. You know, or we can waste this fifth round pick. We got a few extra late round picks. Let's take it on him because he can be a star in a few years.


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[Assistant] The entry history, the size of the player, and then the way the film looks this last year, there's just, uh, there's no way you could take him in the top two rounds of this draft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, Nico's good. He's going to have a role in the NFL too. It's a little bit more like the Bateman thing. You know, the thing I like about Nico is he's a man. Okay. That's the first thing I'll say. I mean, his game is predicated on his size and his strength. I'm covered. Get off me. It doesn't matter. I'm still going to catch the ball. He's really good that way.


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[Assistant] But like, route running and speed are less than, as far as we're talking about first two rounds, first three rounds of the NFL Draft. No. I mean, I wrote, I think he's probably a high 4-5, maybe low 4-6 type of guy.


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[Assistant] But guys like this too can be better in the NFL than they are in college. If he can play like the slot a little bit and show the ability to run routes in there,


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[Assistant] You know, the big slot is a real thing in the NFL. And to be able to go over the middle and, you know, catch the ball in the trash between linebackers and safeties is a real thing. So I like the player, I just don't love him and he's not, he's not elite as far as, you know, the top guys in the draft. So a couple more here.


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[Assistant] And not great speed. Now you're gonna get fooled because you're gonna see some big plays. It's Oklahoma State. It's the Big 12. There's always big plays. It's a flag football game. So you can't get fooled by that sometimes. But, you know, just from the pure, again, you know, top end speed, explosiveness, no.


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[Assistant] To me, this is the guy that's, you know, big sly, understands how to, you know, work the middle of the field, find holes, do things like that. He's very good at catching the ball when he's covered, but there's just not enough pure, you know, physical ability for me to sit here and tell you that he's in the class of some of those other guys. And I'm just, let me, let me just, uhm.


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[Assistant] I am. Well, I mean, I got to Nico eventually, like as I just sit here and look, but I just wanted to make sure I don't.


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[Assistant] You know, you know, the other thing that Thailand bothered me a little bit, you know, doesn't make anything happen after the catch. I think that would be something I should have said for him, Rashad Bateman, and really Nikko Collins. Nikko Collins probably makes the most happen after the catch, because at least he can break arm tackles and run through people with his power that way.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think, you know, it's good natural hands, he's got great body control, but he's not a great, uh,


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[Assistant] There's like, there's nothing not to like about the guy. I mean, he can do everything.


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[Assistant] I do think it's still a tight end though. You know, again, we're...


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[Assistant] And tight ends can be drafted in the top 10 as we know. I mean you can, you can do everything. You become quite a mismatch and an issue for defenses all that way. But just as compared to like our top 5 receivers.


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[Assistant] I don't look at it and go, oh my gosh, he's explosive like that, right? He's a guy that you're gonna be able to put out there, and he is gonna be able to beat DBs with his ability, but his size to go along with it, uhm, but I am evaluating as a tight end, and he's certainly impressive, I just gotta look a little deeper there. Alright, last one.


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[Assistant] I honestly think he has the highest floor. Oh. Okay, so that's where I'll go with him first. I think he's the safest bet. You know, let alone. He'll be a pro


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[Assistant] I think he's got definitely multiple Pro Bowls in his game. I just don't see any...


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[Assistant] Like thing to where I would scare me, right? Okay, we talk about Devontae Smith and De'Ami Brown. Okay, they're a little slender, you know, or they track guys, all that stuff. Okay, there's a little negativity there. Listen, I think all those guys have pretty high floors really, but I think like,


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[Assistant] Ceiling? Ceiling. Ceiling, I really think maybe Smith.


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[Assistant] And De'Ami Brown might have higher ceilings than Jamar Chase.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think there's the possibility of that. I do. Just because I think their speed is that special. That I look at them and their ability to run routes. Like Chase still has room to grow as a route runner. Out of like the top four, he is by far


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[Assistant] The least polished route runner of the other, of that group, you know, between him, uh, you know, or a guy from, uh, Waddle from Alabama, Smiths, you know, and Naomi Brown. He is the least polished route runner. He's just doing it with his pure ability for the most part.


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[Assistant] I think there's a few other guys I'm going to go through. I mean, hey, there's some other guys that certainly are worthy of the conversation of being the third and fourth round pick. Uh, and maybe we'll revisit, but it's a good, good group altogether. And I'm very excited about the top, you know, eight, nine guys in the draft as far as receivers concerned.


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[Assistant] Yeah, every few years. Every few years.


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[Assistant] They would have been DJ Moore at Maryland. They would have all been like, I'm a tailback. I'm a tailback. I'm a tailback. All those guys I think have gone, hey, stop playing running back. I'm going to play receiver so I can have like a 10 year career and not only get one contract as a running back. Right? So I think you're going to, you're seeing more do that.


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[Assistant] And more, you know, just with again, like the quarterbacks, all the seven on sevens and the camps and things that go to the receivers are just well schooled that way. And I think you've also taken off.


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[Assistant] So where this current athlete this day and age also.


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[Assistant] The kid who was like, I'm a 6'1", I'm gonna try to be an NBA point guard. I think they've gone, no, you're not. Point guards in the NBA are 6'4", 6'5", you're not. So, go play another sport. And I think they've gone, well, I'll play receiver. I can do that. I think you're seeing more of that, and I think that's why you're seeing more freaks at the position.


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[Assistant] So I got my work cut out for me as far as how exactly I'm gonna rank some of these guys.


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[Assistant] But either way, that's what we're going to be doing Wednesday. Safeties, corners, break that down. If you got any more questions about my wide receivers, rankings, I don't want to break that down anymore. I know I'm going to get done here and go, oh, I wish I had said this about this guy and said that about that guy.


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[Assistant] But we'll dive into it more. Everybody be good. Tune in on Wednesday. Chris Sims on button. Ahmed, you the man. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] They're looking to build a team. I don't think they, and I don't look at them as a team. Let's go out.


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[Assistant] The infrastructure of your football team, I think that's what they're doing. They've had a lot of action in pre-agency. You know, Christopher and Paul, running backs, their value went down years ago because we know short shelf life


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[Assistant] If I got a nicked up running back, he doesn't play, and I go, why? Because it's a car wreck.


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[Assistant] And you need guys 100% healthy, ready to run up in there. And wide receivers, there's so many good ones, and there's so much going on the offensive side.


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[Assistant] That in other words, you can help them even more than ever with motions and formations and spreading the field.


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[Assistant] I think you make a great point Christopher, Paul, that the Giants do need another real


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[Assistant] That makes sense too. It does. That would just, you know, kind of fit in from what they've done and, and uhm, uhm.


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[Assistant] You know, Corey Davis and Juju, both are thick, big guys, I think, when you look at them. Corey Davis, you know, listen.


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[Assistant] Drafted high. I never saw it when he came out. I just go wow. And of course, unlucky injuries, this, that, everything. This past year, he was a factor.


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[Assistant] I even remember sitting in the studio one Sunday and turning to...


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[Assistant] Uh, Nate Berlison, and he's really high on Corey Davis. I went, okay, I see it now. You know, last year was the first time I said, oh.


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[Assistant] He's a polished NFL receiver, looks the parts, playing the part, and uh, time to have well for him, because...


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[Assistant] The year he finally got it together is the year he becomes a free agent, I guess, and here he gets a chance to go to the jet.


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[Assistant] I do. Right away, I think he fits kind of what they look for, what they do. They need that guy on offense even more. I mean, Michael Pittman is a big receiver too.


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[Assistant] He would fit in there great with the run game. You know, that changes everything.


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[Assistant] And they can give the receivers some chance for some easy catches because of the great run game.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so yeaah, I would think they would be very interested in too. They'd, without question, even if Paris Campbell comes through, and T.Y. Hilton looks like he's gonna be playing elsewhere,


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[Assistant] But they definitely, uh, Pat, Patman, you know, he, uh, he's oh, I mean, Zach Paschal, he's okay.


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[Assistant] But, I mean, it's good, but they need that one other guy to really round out their offense.


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[Assistant] But when you look at all those guys, which one is the man?


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[Assistant] Four games in a row with them once. I'm like, after the fourth week, we're like, hey Phil, don't even bother. We don't need to talk to nobody.


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[Assistant] I know you said it Christopher, Paul, I didn't hear what your thoughts were. Not a surprise at all.


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[Assistant] I thought that's where he would end up if he ended up anywhere. I mean, of course he'd end up somewhere, but I thought the Patriots were...


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[Assistant] So that, you know, and then look at that, and it's a good signing, cause I think Cam will be better this year, they're gonna be better, and I'm getting off on a different point here, but.


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[Assistant] Play the game and protect the quarterback and throw a lot of short passes.


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[Assistant] And run and have good defense and win big games and have a chance to, you know, to do what you want to do in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I think that's what they'll do again this year. I would expect what they've done with wide receivers that it'll be a little more open, but they're still gonna want Cam to run, be physical on offense.


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[Assistant] Multiple. It can do everything. Right. All the guys can play different positions as usual. They got size again. Power.


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[Assistant] If he had played perfect, the passing stats were going to be pedestrian because of how they decided to play and use their football team.


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[Assistant] They knew they were undermanned. So let's play it tight, which they did. And when you do that, you're gonna lose some close games. And they were unlucky a few times.


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[Assistant] But, I think they're gonna build on that, and my final point is this. By doing that,


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[Assistant] I mean, Bill Belichick's gotta love the fact that sometimes...


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[Assistant] And he's going good. We got him pinned down. Now my defense is going to go out there, which this year that defense is going to be much better.


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[Assistant] And uh, play that style, and I think it's a great, I didn't even get to my last point. Now, what are they gonna do for the backup quarterback?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know that. I hadn't thought about him there, but it is a good one. He, of course, he's not gonna run in there with the power to take the punishment that Cam did, but he's still, he's probably faster than Cam. He can run a little bit. Right, right. But go ahead, finish your thought.


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[Assistant] Well, it wouldn't surprise me if they drafted a quarterback and one of these guys, a fall or whatever, they go up and they get the quarterback to con-


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, that's the first guy that comes to my mind. Trey Lance is a better thrower, to me, and faster than Jalen Hurt.


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[Assistant] I look at that and just go, I don't know, so you could.


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[Assistant] That was the first thing that came to mind. I said, oh, are they going to pull off a draft day little scenario here?


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[Assistant] Because if a team knows that they can set a guy and groom him and get him ready, it would be the New England Patriots.


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[Assistant] You know, so what'd they do? Second round for Garoppolo?


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[Assistant] Well I think they walked into it last year, the money, you know, not having it, losing all the players so they opt out, getting Cam Newton, and I do really think Bill Belichick once again.


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[Assistant] Now, you know, if I went through all these offenses, and you guys can do it too, we know that. I've done this many times. But, this is another new offense.


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[Assistant] This is another one. This is really going back. I mean, listen. He...


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[Assistant] Would love nothing more to go and kind of create a new way to do this, which they tried last year, cause that was, come on, watching them play.


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[Assistant] And just grinding every game into the ugliest games we've watched. And of course, when it fell apart on them a few times during the year, they just got crushed because they couldn't manhandle the other team up front.


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[Assistant] But the whole thing is, it goes back to the very beginning who Bill Belichick is.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be, all this is designed, of course, to win games, the offense to get better.


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[Assistant] But it's to play, make his events even stronger and better. To me, that's the whole key.


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[Assistant] Why does everybody think you gotta go? We got another draft, another guy, we gotta get the- no.


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[Assistant] They're again, they're building their team in the right way.


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[Assistant] And they're just getting the guy to be a placeholder for a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I mean they, I think they know that, they're not worried about that, but they're doing, I like what they did getting Fitzpatrick. He gives you a lot of, you know, listen, just gives you, you know, some personality. I mean that's the whole thing. That's right.


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[Assistant] My wife and I would be laying in bed and Christopher would start going,


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[Assistant] And it would just go on and on and my wife would always give in. I said, look, we break this, let him...


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[Assistant] So the first night he moaned and groaned, I'm telling you, it went on for two hours.


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[Assistant] Just losing players and so many guys and everything, how do you overcome it? And you know, I looked at the rosters, I just go, okay, you know, some of these names I didn't even know.


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[Assistant] And uhm, just, what are they gonna do? They're raiders!


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[Assistant] They got their offense built to perfection, really, in my mind. It's just, it was awesome.


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[Assistant] Control the ball, very efficient, everything, and now you just dismantle your offensive line.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it really is. And then I look at Kansas City and what they did. It's Joe Tooney.


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[Assistant] But, they're, look, don't forget, I know you know this, they're getting...


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[Assistant] The interior offensive line, and you said it right, Christopher Goddard, I don't mean to steal this from you, but the middle is solid.


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[Assistant] Now the ends, if they're not disciplined, the running lanes are humongous for a quarterback that likes to float around.


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[Assistant] And Mike Shanahan told me this, and I've never forgotten it.


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[Assistant] He goes, I want the center and the two guards to be the cornerstones. I go, whoa, you know, I'm just saying. He goes, you can help a tackle. You can't help the center and the guards.


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[Assistant] Well, let's just have them all block their guy and we're not gonna help. Hell, can anybody? Oh, that's right.


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[Assistant] Tampa in the Super Bowl said, let's just block everybody and give Tom Brady


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[Assistant] A lot of easy throws, stuff like that. But it's, it's, what happened on Kansas City?


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[Assistant] Re-shuffled offensive line? Did they help him out? No. No. I figured for sure that was gonna be the big part of the game.


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[Assistant] Really interesting though what Kansas City is doing and uhm, how they did it and, you know,


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[Assistant] They're just gonna make sure they're a player big time again next year, which we know they will.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Listen, they, they call their dad, I said something to Kyle once, he goes, well, I call a blockhead. And I went right on, right on TV. But his, um, he really would get upset about what the perception was.


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[Assistant] But he would do it and I'd just go, well, I'm not going to challenge any of that because I think he'll, he might whoop my butt if I do. And, and, uh, you know, the other thing is just his, his love for the sport.


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[Assistant] Say the right things, and he's, you know, it probably drove him crazy doing TV going, man, you know.


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[Assistant] Tell me things you want to talk about as we all know and you're on TV, you don't get a chance to get to those.


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[Assistant] But he was very good at it, really followed the league, understood it, and, you know, he understands the big picture of it, which was really cool to get a chance to work with him a little.


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[Assistant] Again, I think he's a backup quarterback in today's world. That's what he is and nothing more.


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[Assistant] Played a lot, so he has great experience. Is he better than Nick Foles? Yes.


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[Assistant] Uh, I have no, I won't even second. I don't just go, no, I'm not taking any doubt right now. Yeah. Don't even ask the question. But uhm, wow.


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[Assistant] Is that what we've come down to for the Chicago Bears and everything? And it's all they talked about. You ran Mitchell Trubisky out of town.


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[Assistant] He only went to the playoffs two out of the last three years, and yeaah, I know it's ALWAYS his fault, so I- we- we condone-


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[Assistant] Stop talking about that and crying about it. The Chicago fans, okay, hey, have a good time. You know, everybody.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, it's an old story, but we know when you go out there, most teams, no matter what.


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[Assistant] Can always put out the fires about their quarterback.


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[Assistant] And keep it to a certain level where they can handle it.


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[Assistant] But no, they were, they threw gasoline on the fire.


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[Assistant] And hell, they did that before it even got started. So that's my whole thought about that. And I hope Andy Dalton does well. I do.


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[Assistant] You know, there's something in me that kind of, like, I have root for the Chicago Bears, and, and, you know, and...


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[Assistant] And I know they, I will give them credit, they did a great job of managing their team at the end of the year. Right. Going, oh, this is who we are, so let's do this.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah baby, I took heat for Lamar, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. We gonna deliver some heat today on the podcast and I'm sure I'm gonna take lots of heat. You are. On social media. I'm not even looking right now because I don't want to get involved.


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[Assistant] Make me feel so much better. About yourself. Not even about myself, but just rationalizing the comments that are made that are bad and just this world we're in right now where it can be a little disgusting.


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[Assistant] I got into a little spat with about Tua stuff here the last week and people attacking me with that and I made a comment about Mac Jones and the easy comparison is to compare Mac Jones to Tua. But people got all personal about it and that just bothered me all together.


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[Assistant] I'm excited about this. You know, I'm not one really to change my rankings a whole lot. Last year I did get a little infatuated with Jordan Love early in the process and I had him above Tua. I ultimately ended up switching them. I don't think I'm gonna have any switching this year. I really do. It's been...


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[Assistant] A good 10 days of really me just studying quarterbacks. I feel extremely confident. And I very rarely change my top guys and all of that. I've done it once. I've done it once. Which year? Well, the Lamar Jackson draft. I came out as Lamar Jackson 1, Josh Allen 2.


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[Assistant] And this is where I'll never fall into this trap ever again, and we'll unveil my rankings here very shortly. I'm Chris Sims, this is Paulie Birdmeister, by the way.


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[Assistant] Yes, so I had Lamar and Josh Allen, right, and of course took a ton of heat and I ended up moving Lamar and putting Josh Allen 1 and moved Lamar down the list, you know, 1 because hey, you're gonna have to play a certain way with Lamar and things like that.


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[Assistant] GMs, coaches, some other people I respected in the media who were like, really? They kept like making like these little, you know, passive aggressive comments. And then I started to go, maybe there's something I don't know about the guy or the person or everything like that.


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[Assistant] I'm never gonna back down anymore. I always do believe that I know a lot more than most of these guys out there. And the other thing is this. Listen, I'm evaluating from what I see on the football field. I can't get on the board with these guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't know the person and the makeup of the person and the attitude and maybe the leadership and all of those. Yeaah, I hear things and all that and I know people all around the league.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, I do not at all. I really don't. Uhm, hey, I know some of the basic narratives out there. Listen, I respect what Mel Kuiper does, Daniel Jeremiah at the NFL Network. I always got a little clue what they're saying. I like their, I like listening to them. They're smart guys. They know football. So, you know, I know some of that.


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[Assistant] Yes, I don't get caught into the narratives of what is being said on college football Saturdays and also even with my NFL friends, I, you know, I have conversations leading up to this process because I've already had some friends, hey, have you really started the quarterbacks yet and all that, you know, two weeks ago I was going, no, not yet. I know what I've seen on TV and they say things to me and I just go, okay, but I,


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[Assistant] I wanna be like, I've seen you mess draft picks up a whole lot, so I don't really care what you think anyways. So, I'm gonna do it the way I see fit. You can agree with it or not, whatever. I can just tell you that I work hard at it.


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[Assistant] And I've seen a lot in my life. Listen, I grew up around the NFL quarterback. I've gotten to catch passes from guys like Dan Marino and Brett Favre and Tom Brady. And seen all of them in person. So we'll see where it goes, but I'm very excited to unveil this as we go here.


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[Assistant] I know, and there was a lot to like Lamar, not even, not even as the athlete and all that.


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[Assistant] The one thing that I always think got underappreciated about Lamar- Lamar tried to be a pocket passer. It wasn't like-


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[Assistant] I'm just looking to run. He tried to go through reads and things like that. There were so many positives. And of course, you know, yes, he's pretty damn awesome. Someone called you a shock jock. Yes. I hear that all the time. I'm a shock jock or I only have the job because of my father. The only reason I'm employed. Right. Yes. Exactly. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, it's not even close at this point, and you're right, I'm not trying to judge, you know, that, but look, throw that back up there, Kristen. Let's see that. How can you have a name, Bro Chill, and be an asshole like that on Twitter, okay?


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[Assistant] I mean, bro, chill, and yet, you're the not chill asshole on social media. Okay? So you chill, bro. Alright? Get back in your seat, and uh, yeaah. Okay, that's all we got to say about that. See? I'm already getting emotionally invested here.


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[Assistant] No, it's not. And I've been wrong. Listen, I'm still pissed that I didn't have Dak Prescott in my top five QBs that year. I'm, I missed out on Daniel Jones a little bit, you know, to where I look at that and go, yeah, I didn't quite ev- So I'm not perfect. I understand that. But I do do my homework and like I said, I got experience and we'll see where this goes.


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[Assistant] Go ahead, let's do it. I mean, we got a graphic here we're gonna throw up, but here's my number one.


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[Assistant] I'm a shock jock. You know, first off. Clickbait. So yes, if you're listening, we got one Zach Wilson, two Trevor Lawrence, three Mack Jones.


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[Assistant] Four. And I'm gonna explain this. Kellen Mon from Texas A&M. He's the guy that is way under the radar. Five is Justin Fields. Six is Trey Lance. And you know, just to say this one more time, because, you know, again, I just, I'd like people to listen here.


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[Assistant] I said this to Mike Flora today. I'm not into like getting clicks or likes or anything like that. I want to be right.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe 10 years from now, if I do get a chance to ever do that or something like that and have some owner go, well, you did this, right? Cause I was trying to get likes that day. I was trying to get retweets. No, that's not. I like being right more than anything about social media. So, uh, let's go. Let's start with Zach Wilson and the number one guy.


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[Assistant] Right, well, listen, I like Trevor Lawrence. He's definitely worthy of the number one pick. I'm not gonna sit here and just go, like, and we'll get to Trevor Lawrence in a second. What makes Zach better?


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[Assistant] Zach Wilson is, I'm blown away by Zach Wilson. I feel like I'm back watching almost a Patrick Mahomes again. That's how I feel when I'm watching him. It's Aaron Rodgers-ish.


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[Assistant] Right. How can he be Aaron Rodgers? Right. Well, I mean it by this. First of all, his throwing is exceptional. Okay. And like the consistency of the throwing right off the bat, there's guys open, whatever he hits them, it's on the target all the time.


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[Assistant] 20 yard out route, 10 yard out route, there's never really waver in any accuracy on things that are there to be had.


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[Assistant] Then, you just talk about the great talent he has. Listen, he's got the best, the best arm in the draft. You know, and from that aspect, I mean,


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[Assistant] Could Justin Fields, if they stand there, or Trevor Lawrence...


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[Assistant] And you just said throw it as hard as you can right there at the wall. Could maybe they throw it a few miles per hour harder? I don't know, maybe. But the difference is Zach Wilson, you know, can throw a hundred on the radar every throw.


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[Assistant] And from every angle and in every window and two feet are off the ground and he still can throw it as hard as he wants and has unbelievable control as if the ball at the receiver was four feet from him. So, you know, his arm is special and his accuracy is special.


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[Assistant] So, he takes advantage of all that's there to be had, as you always hear me talk about that.


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[Assistant] It's the other aspect of his game that just also blows me away. When there is nothing there. Or, ooh, okay, there is a guy open, but whoa, the degree of difficulty of that throw there for being open and he's got people around him.


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[Assistant] It's off the charts. It's wow. You know, I knew the kid had talent. I don't know, I did not expect to see what I saw.


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[Assistant] He can throw in the pocket with people around him, and what I mean is he doesn't need room in the pocket.


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[Assistant] 14, 15 yard out route on the money. You know, there's just so much of that and then he has


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[Assistant] Within that, you know, hey listen, I love athletes, but I love athletes, a quarterback who play like


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[Assistant] Rogers, Mahomes, and Josh Allen. When they run, they don't really want to run. They want to run to then find space to throw a 30 or 40 yard missile and beat you with their arms.


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[Assistant] And they only run when they go, okay, they triple dog dare me. Everybody's back. Alright, I'll go run for 15 yards or 20 yards. And that's, he's capable of doing that. He's a very good athlete. His feet are off the charts good, right? And uhm, the only, I guess what I come down to with him,


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[Assistant] The only negative is maybe I wish she was a little bigger. Okay? Other than that...


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[Assistant] Now, this is what I do like, I know, I can't wait to see what he weighs in and out and all of that type of stuff. He does have a nice set of legs on him, you know, I'm a legs and ass guy. And his thighs and butt, it's an athlete's thighs and butt, to where I go, oh no, the look, explosion there is real, and all those type of things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, will he measure at 6'3"? We'll see. You know, as long as, is it 6'2 and 3 quarters? Probably. That's what it's probably gonna be. Something like that.