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[Assistant] Wait till day two of the draft, there's going to be a team that's on the outside looking into this quarterback frenzy. We were just talking about the Vikings. What if that deal's just not there and they don't get a guy? All right, well, it's tough to make that trade in the division. I get it. But a team like that, the Denver Broncos, if they don't get their guy, you know, just name a team that was trying to get a quarterback and they don't.


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[Assistant] Justin Fields price on day two infinitely goes higher. They sold at the lowest possible time in my opinion for a guy that of that skill set again hasn't reached that potential but has that skill set to be the guy.


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[Assistant] The one question that I do have quickly, I'll just toss it to you and you can make your point. Does Russell Wilson sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers if he knows this trade goes down? Or is he playing it somewhere else?


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[Assistant] I think he's here for, eh, not to compete in 2024. I think he's here to build something for 25 and possibly 26. And that's why I think they're a great team for the Minnesota Vikings, as you were mentioning earlier, to trade up, go back, collect assets, bring in a different type of core.


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[Assistant] And I say that, but also you still have Justin Herbert. Let's not waste another year of this guy's career because he is so talented and he's had such bad coaching over the course of his career. I'd love for them to build something.


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[Assistant] More immediate, but I do understand the long term kind of view of it. I would say if that's the road that I think they're going to go down.


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[Assistant] But I will say this, getting rid of Mike Williams and Keen now in an out leisure with Quintin Johnston, I mean, that is just almost malpractice. You need to draft a wide receiver. You need to go and trade for somebody, whether that's T Higgins and Cincinnati breach or something along those lines, you need to bring somebody in because it's just a horrible wide receiver crew right now.


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[Assistant] I just do want to add one thing. I almost half wonder if the Chargers were kind of caught by surprise because Keenan Allen said in his introductory press conference to the Bears that he was approached to restructure like we saw a lot of their defensive players do and he flat out refused. He said, I'm not doing it.


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[Assistant] I almost wonder if they thought he was kinda like in the bag, that he would, you know, oh, he's been a charger his whole life, he'll be able to restructure, he wants to be here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it just makes all the sense in the world. You can kinda do some Tyree kill stuff. I mean, not really, but you know what I mean, the speedster, smaller type of receiver, you can kinda do those pop passes that they love to do.


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[Assistant] With Tyree Kill when he was with the Chiefs in the, in the red zone, kind of at the goal line there as well. It's just something that they needed. Their wide receivers were so poor last season. And yes, they did catch on. Rashid Rice ended up playing well down the stretch, but.


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[Assistant] They left a lot to be desired and Travis Kelsey is only getting older and the fact that you could bring somebody in on a relatively cheap, you know, prove it deal one year thing. You pair him with Patrick Mahomes, he's infinitely going to be better. I think that this is kind of a no brainer slam dunk move. The only thing I will say though,


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[Assistant] Is that this absolutely means that the Cardinals have to take Marvin Harrison Jr., right? Because you get rid of Mark Keyes Brown, you trade Rondale Moore.


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[Assistant] You have really nobody there. It's clear cut that Marvin Harrison is going to be the fourth overall pick. I looked at the odds at Vandal. It was like minus 270, which I still felt like was, you know, relatively not good value obviously, but you know what I mean? Not as crazy as I thought it was going to be.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I'm in that same range. I gave him a big plus here. Just because...


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[Assistant] They don't need to hit the home runs because, you know, this is a team that's already kind of ready made. They have their core. I do trust them in the NFL draft almost exclusively just because of what they were able to do these last few years. So there's going to be more talent coming, but from a free agent standpoint, we mentioned it last week. You know, I do love Carlton Davis. That's a clear need. Fix the secondary.


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[Assistant] But DJ Reader coming into to almost further strengthen their run defense, which was one of the best last year. You look at what these other teams in this division have done.


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[Assistant] Adding Aaron Jones in Minnesota, DeAndre Swift going to Chicago, obviously Green Bay getting Josh Jacobs.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think Josh Jacobs is really gonna be fun. I like Xavier McKinney as well. I mean, this is a team that was taking the San Francisco 49ers to the brink in the postseason. I mean, they were.


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[Assistant] They peaked very early in the Jordan Love era, as early as we all could have, you know, could have possibly even conceived. We thought that this was going to be kind of a multi-year rebuild. Let's see if he's the guy. And they just caught fire down the stretch. So I like them adding.


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[Assistant] I think Jacobs is going to be a fascinating piece. I mean, Breach, we talked about it early last week that the fact that they were so aggressive in trying to, in going after Josh Jacobs means that LeFleur has a plan for him in his offense, which I just think is going to be fascinating to watch unfold.


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[Assistant] Got severely worse over the course of pre-agency. I mean, it's so easy to say because just the starch difference in quarterback.


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[Assistant] With going from Kirk Cousins to Sam Darnold, but like it doesn't really feel.


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[Assistant] If they go up into the top five in the NFL draft and find their quarterback, then okay, fine. It's a different conversation.


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[Assistant] But as of right now, Sam Donalds, they're starting quarterback in week one, and that makes them infinitely worse. It has ripple effects that could affect Justin Jefferson and his willingness to stay in Minnesota. And I'm with you, Brenton, I do like the Aaron Jones signing for just kind of the drama, but the Grenard one,


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[Assistant] You know, it's a guy that had his career year in Houston last year, a defensive minded head coach that we talked about breach. D'Amico Ryan's was willing to let him go and you lose Daniel Hunter in the process. And I think I asked you guys last week, if you just made that trade, you would say the Vikings were losers. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That's a good way to look at it. I would say, you know, I'm a little bit higher. I would probably give them a B. I'm trying not to be a prisoner of the Justin Field situation. We know Caleb Williams is coming. It's not like they, it's not like Minnesota where they're kind of sitting out in the bis and we don't know exactly what's going to happen at quarterback. We know exactly what they're going to do.


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[Assistant] They were doing it day one, you know, right, almost felt like in the same breath as the Packers were getting Josh Jacobs. They were going after Deandre Swift. So I don't know if I necessarily love that, but I definitely give them a B here. I think overall I like what they've done.


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[Assistant] How irrationally far are you going to put NC State in your bracket?


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[Assistant] I'll give a B plus, I'll be a slightly more kind to them just because the alternative for Tampa Bay is worst team in the league. We're stripping this whole thing down and from a 2024 standpoint, they're clearly better here and had it not been for another team in this division who is, is going to hit it out of the park and we give out those grades.


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[Assistant] They are gonna be respectable in that division. I mean, they could very easily still win the NFC South. As much as Atlanta has been, you know, the darling of this free agency period, I still think that there's a world where Baker Mayfield, Mike Evans, Antoine Winfield, and that core could still make some noise in that division, even though, again, it's not the most competitive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's just kind of a math free agency cycle for them. C is probably fine. I'd, I'd probably go C minus because I don't know if they're really, they're not, they're, how about this, by everybody else in that free agency period, they're now worse in the division, right? Like Atlanta's jumped them.


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[Assistant] And their linebackers are, I like really gay junior, like I, Demario Davis, like their linebackers would be fine, but like, I just don't know if they've done anything to the level of either retaining your stars from a year ago, like Baker Mayfield, these real movers and shakers.


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[Assistant] Or going out and swinging for the fences like Atlanta. They just kinda seem like a team that's meh, that's always like weirdly like.


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[Assistant] Making all of the great moves this offseason. Kirk Cousins clearly, I mean that's obvious.


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[Assistant] It's your best quarterback that you've had since Matt Ryan. It's, it's night and day from what you had a year ago. Hopefully that makes your first round draft picks of the last few years. Bijon Robinson, Kyle Pitts, Drake London.


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[Assistant] All kind of elevate to what you hope that they would be, what they would become. But to me, I love the Darnell Mooney one. Kurt Cousins, obviously.


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[Assistant] Darnell Mooney, I think, is so underrated. The dude's like in his mid-twenties, has a thousand yard season, and was on one of the worst passing teams in football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think that's, again, it's fair. You can't ignore it. You know, I think that, you know, you try not to have it be the sole reason why you do something. But for the Carolina Panthers, and I would probably give them a C plus, B minus, just because I don't know if there's anything super seismic that they've made to improve this team.


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[Assistant] I will say, I do like that they're solidifying the offensive line. I do like that they brought in Deontay Johnson, as you said, because I think we mentioned it last week, like, okay, fine, eight wins is the, is the, is the bar, is the ceiling for this team to, to be a successful, you know, as high as they possibly could go in 2024.


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[Assistant] The only real barometer of success for the Panthers is if Bryce Young is good next year. That's really it.


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[Assistant] Oh boy, I don't know if he's the guy. We might have some problems here. So really it's all about Bryce Young and interior of the offensive line. Check wide receiver. Check. Those are two good things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that that's fair. I mean, we do have to note that they did kind of lose out on their preferred option in Eric Kendricks, right? Like that was, they were pursuing Eric Kendricks.


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[Assistant] No, I'd give him a B, and this is the thing that I was always wondering about with Aaron Donald, like, there's immediate reports after that say like, oh, the Rams were fully aware, they knew all of this, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah. That's what you have to say. If you say you're caught off guard by it, then it just makes you look bad. But like, how aware were they at the start of free agency, start of legal tampering period, that he was leaning in this direction? Like, was this something that...


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[Assistant] They 100% new or are they caught a little bit off guard and they'd say, Hey, listen, if we actually knew that would probably try to clear as much cap space as humanly possible to go after Christian Wilkins to help us solidify that defensive line. Like I, you know, and I don't know if you could move that much cap space to get that type of contract to bring him aboard, but you know what I'm saying? Like I wonder.


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[Assistant] I'm kind of out. I would give them a B here. I do like the cam curl signing. I like bringing back Darius Williams. You know, I even like the Jimmy Garoppolo signing. I think that's a great landing spot for him. I think it's really fascinating if something happens to Stafford, if he comes in as kind of that veteran guy with Sean McVeigh, very familiar.


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[Assistant] With the, with the, with the new offensive coordinator, Michael Lafleur was the passing game coordinator at San Francisco when he was there. So there's a lot of familiarity with that offense. I would give him a B. I think it's been solid, but yeah, of course you lose one of the best defensive players of his generation. Yeah, that's going to, that's going to stay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, see, eh, nah, nothing crazy, didn't really move the needle for me much at all.


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[Assistant] Like we were saying with Atlanta, you only had Drake London. You needed to add all those other guys like Darnell Mooney and Rondale Moore. You're kind of in that same spot if you're Arizona, like, okay, you're going to, you're asking a lot of this first round pick if that's who it's going to be to carry this offense. So yeah, I'd give them a C minus right now.


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[Assistant] I mean, let's just, let's just make it nice and easy, right? Lay up Kirk Cousins, the Atlanta Falcons. It makes them legitimate contenders overnight. They're the favorites to win that division.


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[Assistant] From a fantasy football standpoint, it makes Bijon Robinson, Kyle Pitts, and Drake London palatable again. I mean, you know, I thought you'd swear off them after last year, just with all the headaches that they've given you, but now you can at least draft them with somewhat confidence. And so from a multiple different levels, I just think it's a slam dunk for the Atlanta Falcons.


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[Assistant] I mean, they brought in Eric Kendrick, which is, you know, it's making up for Layton Vanderes, who announced his retirement today. So, okay, fine. You feel a little bit of a need, but...


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[Assistant] Active way to bring them, bring them back or I'm saying, I should say bring in replacements for them. Like I just don't know where that's coming from. If you're Dallas and they were the last team to make a signing, it just felt like they kind of hit the snooze button, especially in which is completely damning after Jerry Jones said we were going to go all in.


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[Assistant] this off season. So it's just, it's from a expectation standpoint from what ownership in the front office was giving you to what actually transpired. I don't know how you look at that and don't give it enough.


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[Assistant] I think that's fair. You kind of talked me down. I was going to give him a B, but I'll go down to B minus, you know, cause again, yes, of course losing Jason Kelsey and Fletcher Cox. You have to account for that, but I do love bringing back CJ Garner Johnson. I do love, I do love Saquon Barkley just from the site standpoint alone. And Bryce Huff was a good player for the New York Jets coming off the edge. I think really good.


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[Assistant] I think that's a sneaky great signing for them. So again, yes, of course, Kelsey Cox losing those guys is not great, but I do like what they brought in as well. I thought they made some savvy moves.


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[Assistant] Yep, I think that's fair. I think B+, just because again, you're getting a premier pass rusher for a song. I mean, it's just the fact that you were able to get him for what you were able to in basically Fleece the Carolina Panthers for


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[Assistant] Someone who I think you could anchor your defense for the foreseeable future. I think that that's clearly, you know, a huge boost for them. Obviously losing Saquon Barkley from an emotional standpoint is a tough one, but


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[Assistant] For this team, for where they're going, I just don't know if it makes sense to pay a running back. Like the Eagles, it makes sense because you're knocking on the door of a Super Bowl, you feel like he's the guy that can get you over the edge. I just don't know if that same contract would have made sense in New York other than the emotions kicking in.


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[Assistant] It's fine. I'm, I'm in the C plus range. Listen, I like Jeremy Chen. I think that's kind of underrated. You know, Zach Gertz could be great for a young quarterback. I, I like Marcus Mariota. This is one of the reasons why I kind of love what they did at the quarterback position, getting rid of Sam Howell, bringing Marcus Mariota because it feels like they're going to draft Jaden Daniels. I know the odds of, you know, my buddy said that


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[Assistant] Stylistically, it matches well with Mariota, and Mariota is a great sounding board for any one of these quarterbacks that they bring in. A former number two overall pick, kind of been handing the keys to a franchise. That alone could really help bring along this young quarterback that they're going to draft at number two into the NFL.


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[Assistant] Tiger Woods makes his first PGA Tour appearance of 2024, headlining a fantastic field at the Genesis Invitational, this weekend on CBS.


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[Assistant] Out there, there are two colossal beings, both forces of nature in their own regard.


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[Assistant] But in here, as soon as the chute bursts open, the duality of man and beast begins to fade.


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[Assistant] Exciting. And by the way, we're also here to celebrate, let me say real quick, the fact that Brinson showed up early for a podcast.


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[Assistant] That's the, this is like, that's like running an Airbnb, staying there for six months. And then the night before you leave, you throw a huge rager and just take that thing that just wreck it. And then you're like, all right, I'm out. I don't have to worry about this anymore. See you guys.


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[Assistant] Maybe Calvin Ridley? I do feel like the whole thing, the theory that he's waiting this out so Jacksonville doesn't lose a second round pick because if he waits until after the start of free agency he gets a third round pick.


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[Assistant] And Jacksonville basically said, Hey man, we like you. We'll give you over the Patriots are giving you. Sorry. We're stealing you from Sally's team. Uh, but we need you to wait until 401 on Wednesday to sign. So I would not be shocked if we see Calvin Ridley sign right in the next 30 minutes.


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[Assistant] Once his contract expires in the next season, I don't care if he waits till four o'clock, then we get the second round pick. This is just bad negotiating on the Falcons part and Jacksonville is taking advantage of it.


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[Assistant] Uh, Saul, you're there in Massachusetts. I think the high rate that, uh, someone like Calvin Ridley would have to pay is 9%. Or you go to Florida where it's 0%. So now you're automatically making 9% more money in your paycheck because of which state you're playing football in.


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[Assistant] Gino Stone going to the Bengals, Patrick Queen going to the Steelers where we have a substantial amount of players who are saying, you know what, not only am I leaving the wanted and granted Mike Williams is coming off a serious injury. So there is a little bit of risk if you give him a huge paycheck. So I do like that Brenton. I do think.


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[Assistant] A couple other teams, Sully, maybe the Patriots, if they don't land Calvin Ridley would give Mike Williams a call because they're clearly in the receiver market if they are trying to sign Ridley. Uh, the Bears just lost Darnell Mooney. I don't know if they want to sign someone, how much money they're going to want to spend on a receiver, but they did just lose someone.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the Cardinals might lose Hollywood Brown. You gotta have somebody for Kyler Murray to throw to. So maybe Mike Williams goes to Arizona and then maybe the New York.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's definitely going to have to take a backup spot. I don't think this is, you know, you have someone like Ryan Tannehill, who's thinking, I want to go in somewhere and compete for a starting job, wherever that ends up being. But I don't think Jimmy Garoppolo can have that mindset at all because of the suspension, as you mentioned.


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[Assistant] But the one thing about Hunter Renfro is that he was definitely not a Josh McDaniels guy. He actually had his two worst seasons playing in Josh McDaniels offense because he hated it so much, he didn't feel like he was being used at all.


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[Assistant] And so you look at his first three years in the NFL when John Gruden was there, I mean, he was tearing it up. He had over a hundred receptions in 2021. I mean, he was on fire and then Josh McDaniel shows up and just says, yeah, Hunter, you know what? We're not really going to use you. I mean, how many guys go from over a hundred receptions in one season?


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[Assistant] I'm the Patriots front office. I'm calling up Judon. I'd be like, look man, you've tweeted 41 players and all 41 of them have said no. So let's try not recruiting them so publicly, but it's been weird about.


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[Assistant] Not just JudonSweet, but former BangleSide and TylerEifer.


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[Assistant] Also send out a tweet that said the Bengals were getting close to a trade for Justin Jefferson. So you have these players sending out in all these T Higgins trade rumors that no one knows what to believe anymore. And the one thing about the Patriots, uh, you know, Junon tweeting that out is that if


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[Assistant] I said the other day that the Bengals, you'd have to pry T Higgins away with just an absolutely shocking offer and


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[Assistant] Patriots giving up the number three overall pick for T Higgins would qualify as an absolutely shocking offer, but it would never happen. And so I do not see a situation where T Higgins leaves, uh, Cincinnati unless he's traded for the number three overall pick or Justin Jefferson's trade up, uh, neither of which are going to happen are both fantasies in my head.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I also think Carolina is an interesting landing spot. Like I do agree with you that from a talent standpoint, Carolina absolutely makes sense, but


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[Assistant] Hey, maybe I'll get traded to an offense that throws the ball a little more. That's a little better at moving the ball through the air.


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[Assistant] But instead you get traded to literally the opposite, the team that had the worst passing offense in the NFL last season. Uh, and it wasn't even close. I mean, the Steelers, uh, ranked like eight spots ahead of the Panthers Panthers dead last and passing yards per game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if they can make Deontay Johnson work, I do like his talent, but man, in that offense, he could get frustrated.


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[Assistant] Right, and when you have someone like Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins coming back from Achilles, obviously they need their feet to be able to move around, but a linebacker's gotta be able to move.


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[Assistant] In every direction. So it probably will take a little bit longer for him to come back from Achilles injury. I don't think you do know when he's going to come back. So yeah, I think you guys are absolutely right on this, that it does just feel like an insurance signing and that Kendricks will probably end up starting the season. Cause I don't think green law will be ready for week one or week two, maybe even the first month.


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[Assistant] Uh, but it's crazy to think also that Eric Kendricks, this is gonna be his 10th season in the NFL. He's literally been in the league for a decade. Uh, and he was a second round pick, for instance. I think you mentioned first round pick.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, they've been pretty consistent and, and getting rid of everyone though, seems like, think of like you're negotiating with Derek Hennery, like, Hey Derek, we know you didn't have a good offensive line in Tennessee the last two years. Don't worry. We got everything figured out.


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[Assistant] So I do think it is a little weird because hope is not a great strategy at any position, but definitely not on the offensive line. You don't want to go into the season hoping that these guys are going to turn out and be productive.


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[Assistant] Uh, but from the, the Jets standpoint, I love this because, I mean, you have Aaron Rodgers coming back, you have to protect him at all costs. Uhm, and I've been told I'll be banned from the podcast forever if I mention that he might not play for the Jets this year and might take another job, so I won't mention it. Uhm, but I, I mean- What job would that be?


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[Assistant] Since the defensive minded head coach used to coach for...


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[Assistant] The 49ers, maybe it's a little, eh, you know what? Here's a little bit of help. I didn't know what I was going to do with Mike Collins this way. So here's a sweetheart deal. And you look at the 49ers are doing, I mean, their defensive lines can be totally revamped.


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[Assistant] this upcoming season where probably going to leave. We already saw, I think, Cleveland barrel sign somewhere, Javon Kinlaw. They just cut Eric Armstead as soon as the new league year started. So they're having a lot of turnaround. We've seen them already make some moves in free agency with Leonard Boyd, Leonard Boyd and gross vatos.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jordan Elliott. So this is, I think, the fourth defensive lineman that they've kind of added. Uh, so look, you've got to do something in 49ers. You've got to have people on the field to play defensive line. Uh, and I don't think that at this rate, getting him for something around pick seems like a good deal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I do think if you're the bills though, and I mostly agree with you just said Tyler, but if you're the bills, I think you're thinking, all right, this is his upside is that.


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[Assistant] He has never played with a quarterback who was even remotely as good as Josh Allen. If you look at where he's been.


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[Assistant] Desmond Ritter and Taylor Heinecke last year, Jarrett, Derek Carr and Jarrett Stidham in a Josh McDaniels offense. And then when he was with the Dolphins, that was before Mike McDaniel was there. So you're, you're into a, went to a hated himself and hated Brian Flores and hated that offense.


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[Assistant] It doesn't seem like he's played ever in like a super competent offense. And as Tyler said, that's where the bills might be headed. They might not be a great offense, but maybe they're thinking, you know what? Matt Collins could be a home run threat for us because that's what we need right now. And we think Josh Allen can get him 40 or 50 receptions a year.


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[Assistant] I like that Chauncey Gardner Johnson's going back to the Eagles. It felt like he might've burnt a bridge when he left for Detroit, but he clearly did not. And now their secondary has just been all over the place. I do feel like this is not great for them.


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[Assistant] Well, Solly, since you are cheating, let me ask you, what would a steal bargain price be for Stefan Gilmore?


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[Assistant] Could possibly put up huge numbers in that offense. I mean, we've seen what Austin Ecker can do when he's healthy. So the question is, can he stay healthy? And if he can,


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[Assistant] I mean, my goodness, we're looking at the guy had over a hundred receptions in 2022. He's only one season removed from that. So I think if he even puts up half that kind of production in Washington, then getting them for barely over 4 million a year is, feels like a steal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it was a total circus. Uh, and now it does really feel like it has kind of, everything happens on Monday now. It is literally the first 24 hours by the time pre-agency starts at four. It's just like, why don't we just move pre-agency to Monday?


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[Assistant] My winner for kind of day two, uh, I guess is that we're doing? It's the Houston, Texas. Look, we kind of.


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[Assistant] Look, they've added Daniel Hunter, and the thing is, real quick, is that we talked about them last year as a winner, and I know Brinton and I were big on, in August, they were like plus a thousand, it was just sprinkle a little on the Texans just because they made so many smart free agent moves, and CJ Stroud just ends up being kind of good.


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[Assistant] They could compete in the AFC South and that's exactly what happened. And now it is crazy how good this defense has gotten just in the past 24 to 36 hours. They signed to Neil Hunter. As we said, we all thought that's an upgrade over Jonathan Grenard.


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[Assistant] Uh, Danico Autry, they got him. They got Aziz Alshair. They got Noah Brown. They got the, one of the best punters in the NFL. They signed Tommy Townsend. Uh, and so the way they've upgraded that roster is pretty amazing. And so I have to think this team is going to be the favorites going in the,


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[Assistant] AFC South going into 2024 and they've impressed me with what they've done in the past 24 hours.


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[Assistant] The only thing I would say about that, uh, because I almost listed the Ravens as my loser.


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[Assistant] Is that we talked about the, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, but we talked about the offensive line. There's a lot of questions there. And the other part is that there's going to be high expectations. They just went to the AFC title game. Everybody thinks that Derek Henry is this move that puts him over the edge. Now if you.


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[Assistant] Get to the playoffs and lose in the wild card round or don't get back to the AFC title game. Is that Lamar Jackson's fault? Is that Derek Kent? You know, like it's going to be Lamar Jackson's fault.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or miss the playoffs. So it, it puts a lot of pressure on them. Like I agree with what you're saying, but a lot of pressure on them.


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[Assistant] Yep. And that is, look, if you're Justin Jefferson, do you even want to be in Minnesota? You haven't gotten your extension, so they're playing hardball there. And you're thinking, I don't have a quarterback there. I don't have money or the quarterback. So I mean, that seems like a double negative or a, yeah, definitely two things you don't like. A double whammy.


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[Assistant] Guys, there are other players in the NFL who are not named Justin. So always losers, Justin Jefferson. Princeton went from Justin Fields to Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] As free agents, I mean this, they have not been able to get anything done. Yes, we did see Michael Pittman get.


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[Assistant] That extension, but Justin Jefferson is frustrated. T Higgins is demanding a trade. And when you look at the overall free agent market, I mean, the biggest contract that's been given out went to Gabe Davis, $13 million a year. I think Darnell Mooney also got $13 million a year, but that's it. As far as free agents go, no one else has reached even double digits.


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[Assistant] Uh, in average annual value, it kind of feels like running backs last year where the market has just gone stagnant. Maybe Mike Williams changes that.


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[Assistant] Or maybe he takes a flyer, one year approval deal doesn't get the big numbers that he's looking for, but the wide receiver market, I think the receivers are not getting the numbers or the interest they thought they would. And a big part of that is cause the draft is loaded and


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[Assistant] The teams just don't feel like, they're not going to overpay for receivers when you have this load of, loaded of a draft.


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[Assistant] We got a combine recap podcast. This show is brought to you by fan dual sports book. Make every moment more joining me. John breach as he does.


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[Assistant] Basically until he gets his own like kicking podcast and turns into a grumpy old man, refuses to say no for a little while. And then we kick him off the podcast. Not that I'm referring to anybody else. Uh, and of course back by popular demand, rising star superstar draft superstar, Josh Edwards. What's up, buddy? What's up guys?


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[Assistant] Josh, you look nice and tan from your trip to Indy. You do like tan from your trip to Indy.


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[Assistant] My dog George is wandering around looking for me. Here's me talking. He like poked his head in three different, three different rooms. So if something weird happens in here, it's George's fault. Um, yeah, you're on the, you're on site in Indy. Um, did you have any, uh, cocktail sauce, shrimp, uh, shrimp, shrimp cocktails?


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[Assistant] It's like it's a landlocked state. There's like signature item is seafood. I mean, come on.


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[Assistant] Well, yeah. And I think that week we were doing a pick six show from the combine and that's, that's probably why it happened anyway. Let's get to some news. There's a bunch of stuff that happens. Like this is, it's, it's NFL new season. It's going to happen. And on Monday, the, uh, the restaurant is St. Elmo's.


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[Assistant] There's the steakhouse where they serve this insanely and uh, uh, Harry and Izzy's where they basically a sister restaurant where they serve this insanely hot cocktail sauce. It's like they get overpowers you and you start crying. I like it because I really like horseradish, but anyway.


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[Assistant] Speaking of overpowering, Jason Kelsey overpowered by emotion on Monday afternoon when he stepped to the microphone in Philadelphia and announced that the seven time pro baller is walking away from football. The podcast, the famous podcaster.


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[Assistant] Potentially Taylor Swift's brother-in-law. He is leaving and retiring for football.


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[Assistant] The pro football hall of fame has already tweeted out, uh, keep your eyes out on 2029.


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[Assistant] Which is kind of crazy to suggest, but he is probably a, almost certainly actually at first ballot hall of Famer, not like that. I mean, it does carry a little more gravitas. He's just, he referenced it. He's called himself overrated, uh, in, in the speech, but he also referenced that he's been called the greatest center of all time, which.


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[Assistant] It seemed like, it seemed like since basically the end of the seat, you know, he said, I'm not going to make my decision now, Josh, but it feels like it's been a done deal. Um, you know, when you look at the Eagles offensive line.


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[Assistant] I mean, do you think they, I mean, what, what kind of drop off do you think we see here?


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[Assistant] No, it's a great point. And I think the plan is to move Jurgens to center. Obviously, you know, if that doesn't work out, Dickerson, as you point, as you know, has experienced playing center at a really high level. So I mean, they do have options. And I think that's, that's really the hallmark. I like, I think, I think there's going to drop off for the Eagles next year, just in terms of the brotherly shove.


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[Assistant] I think you'll see a drop off in that run game and in that pass game, shifting centers always sort of an underrated aspect. Um, you know, we saw like when Justin Herbert added Corey Linsley, you know, a little bit of a brief bump, but then he got, you know, you approve. I think it's going to affect you. It hurts. I do think though that you have to like, you talk about good organizations.


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[Assistant] Smart organizations, they plan for these things and by having.


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[Assistant] A plan in place with, you're not, you're not going out and drafting a center and be like, all right, dude, be good this year. Like be good from 12th street. So, uh, that's huge. He will definitely be involved in the podcast and I'm sure he will be around football, the Kelsey, the, the, the, the first family of football, the Kelsey's, I guess the Mannings and the one of the first, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the Royal families of football.


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[Assistant] And so I watched all my, all my favorite athletes leave. He's like, hell, even if the whole team left and then noted that he really wanted to play for one team his entire career. And so the only way to control that is maybe to walk away a year before.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, it's, you're, you're actually physically done. I do think though that, you know, you, you've heard, if you've heard him talk with the podcast, he's hinted at this pretty aggressively over the last, like.


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[Assistant] Six to nine months, particularly, really could have even retired after last year. I think his wife even mentioned that she was surprised he came back. We've got a.


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[Assistant] Buzzing, kicking situation in the NFL breach, a potential massive rule change. Break it down for us.


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[Assistant] So in other words, like every time there's a kickoff, it's like.


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[Assistant] Three things could happen in terms of the ball placement. Josh, do you have?


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[Assistant] Can you, could you right now, if I told you a ball landed somewhere, would you know where to place the ball based on what Breach just explained? Cause me either.


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[Assistant] Okay. And if the ball is kicked into the Atlanta, like if the guy catches it in the end zone, 35 yard line. Yes. If the ball is kicked short of the end zone.


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[Assistant] If it rolls into the end zone, the ball's at the 20. So in other words, like if the ball, if the kickers land it short, they're gonna have to return it because otherwise you're at the 20. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like that. Yeah. I do kind of like the idea of gamifying the kickoff a little bit, but this is so there's just really too. What was the thing you said about being treated like it's out of


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[Assistant] And they don't touch it. You get it. They get it. All right. All right. Interesting. Okay.


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[Assistant] Right. Uh, Mike Evans, the, you know, I don't want to put him in the hall of fame yet. Ryan Wilson get mad at me, but I mean, man, the guy's got the longest streak of a thousand yards to start a career in each season. He agreed to terms of the temporary Buccaneers coming back to Tampa.


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[Assistant] On a two year, $52 million deal with $35 million guaranteed. Uh, suffice to say, this is awesome for Tampa Bay. They get one of the guys, one of their key free agents. Um, you know, we have the tag deadline tomorrow. Uh, the show's gonna be four.


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[Assistant] The 4 or 4.30 tomorrow. Uhm, just FYI, if you're, if you're a regular in the, in the YouTube chat or you're wondering where it is in the Spotify feed, we're doing the afternoon, we'll do the tag show in the afternoon after the tag deadline and sort of break down those guys.


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[Assistant] Evans, Mike, uh, four o'clock. Thank you, Harry. Mike Evans said that, um, he wants to be a buck for life and this.


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[Assistant] Won't get in there, Josh, but it'll get them a little bit closer. And I think if you're Tampa Bay, when you have Antoine Winfield Jr, Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans is three Cree free, three key free agents being able to get Evans back in the fold before the new league year begins a big, big step for a team that, you know, quite frankly, you know, there's probably still the best team in the NFC South.


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[Assistant] I feel pretty comfortable with Mike Evans, um, performing at a high level. It should be, get the quarterback back. And I do think Josh is spot on noting that.


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[Assistant] Getting Mike Evans in the fold is going to make it more likely to bring Baker Mayfield back. I think that Jason Light has credit to him.


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[Assistant] You know, a guy like Mike Evans wants to come back. By the way, Mike Evans is massively involved in the Tampa Bay community from a charitable standpoint. So it's not surprising to me at all that he would want to return. But I also think, you know, with Todd Bowles there, they win the division. Nobody was picking him to win the division. Everybody picked the Saints, Falcons, Panthers.


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[Assistant] He's, he's not going to give the bucks a discount just because they were the ones who brought him in and, and improved his play. He wants to get paid like a quarterback should. And yeah, Mike Evans now the second ice paid wide receiver, the Tyree Killen Devontae Adams deals, um,


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[Assistant] Those are again, like I said, the dummy years, the numbers are funky and I think it's important to know too that this really sets the stage for T Higgins and Mike Pittman and other wide receivers out there, veteran wide receivers who are hitting free agency, like what they'll be paid. You're not going to go to that 30 million mark.


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[Assistant] No, for sure. I do think he ends up back in Tampa. I, you know, there's, there's going to be interest in Baker. He played well, but I think his comfort level in Tampa and having Mike Evans back there, even with Dave Canales gone, I think we'll, we'll entice him to come back. All right. Let's take a break.


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[Assistant] Yeah. All right. Let's take a break when we come back. Winners and losers from the 2024 NFL Combine. Next. Who's it? Who's out? Let the madness begin.


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[Assistant] All right. Time to talk some winners and losers from the combine. And, uh, and look, I don't, uh, just as a heads up, um, I have a, uh, school pickup situation. So.


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[Assistant] In a little bit, I'm going to bow. If, if I just, so people who are listening are, are charred by my.


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[Assistant] Sudden, sudden departure. I'll let you know when I leave, but I'll probably after the next break. Anyway, let's dive into the combine winners and losers from the quarterback and the wide receiver position. We got nothing from Caleb Williams. Not even medicals.


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[Assistant] I think you could make the argument though that maybe like Caleb Williams kind of wins because he's like, I'm not giving you my medicals and it's probably smart.


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[Assistant] Only one team is going to draft you. It's going to be the team and number one overall. You don't need to give your medicals to 31 other teams. Um, interesting approach. Marvin Harrison, of course, didn't do anything and no show. Dispressor was apparently according to Chris Carter in some sort of a MRI situation. I don't, I don't know. Um, Drake, Mary Jane Daniels did not throw Josh. Give me a winner from the wide receiver group.


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[Assistant] One spot, one spot ahead of uh, who was he taking one spot ahead of? Who was it?


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[Assistant] Look, by the way, John Ross, I thought was a really good prospect. He just, he just injuries derailed his career. But what's interesting, Josh, I think is with Xavier worthy breaking that record. Like is he a first? Do we think he's a first round prospect because of that? Like he's now


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[Assistant] Um, yeah, I think it's, we get real caught up in the speed of, um, I think Matt Waldman of, uh, who does a great job with his rookie scouting portfolio called speed. The 40 yard dash is the cleavage of the, uh, of, of, of draft of draft season because you're like, you're like, you know, you're


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[Assistant] You're drawn in, you're enticed by, uh, by the 40-year dash. It ultimately, like, it doesn't mean anything. There's a lot of pushback on hashtag draft Twitter. I don't know if you saw this or not Josh, but, uh, Breach, I'm sure you did just, you know, being at home and watching it, where people were like, people were like firing up lists of guys who


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[Assistant] Ran like a 40-yard dash because the thing with Worthy is he's only 5'11", 165. Like that is, that is, that is rail thin. And so it's great that he's fast, but the list of guys who have had, I think it's a thousand yards. There's like one guy out of like 40 guys who.


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[Assistant] Ran a sub 4, 4, 40, way less than 175 or something, maybe way less than 200. I can't remember what the exact number was, but I mean like that's definitely a concern when you start talking about this guy, even though I agree completely, he's a winner. He broke the combine record for the 40 yard dash and it was an explosive moment, awesome moment, but you know, I do think you have to worry about that a little bit, Breach.


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[Assistant] And, and, uh, so, uh, Scott at Scott Barrett DFB on Twitter, uh, really good follow, but he, he posted a list of top wide receivers. By the way, he also posted, this is the fastest wide receiver group in combine history.


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[Assistant] Average, average 4.44. That is wild how fast that is. Uh, but he did a speed score, which is a weight adjusted 40 ton.


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[Assistant] And I mean, I realize like it's like, you know, 40 is a 40, but it's like, you know, if you're running a 40 at like.


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[Assistant] 235 pounds, it's obviously, um, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's more impressive than doing it at 165. And the, the speed score puts Xavier worthy at nine, uh, versus Xavier Leggett at number one. And then Brian Thomas and Adonai, is it Adonai?


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[Assistant] At two and three, both guys who are also winners in your book, Josh.


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[Assistant] And by the way, I don't know if you saw Harry posted, but 434, you were right. Uhm, and Harry, don't worry about it. You're doing 50 million 40 times. It's easy to get those.


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[Assistant] Flip-flop, yeaah, 434 for, uh, Adana Mitchell, the third fastest time overall behind Brian Thomas and Xavier Worthy.


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[Assistant] Right, exactly. It's like what, who's at the back end of the first round? What's their, like, what's their preference in terms of?


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[Assistant] What they like to draft. Does he fit the, you know, does he fit the analytics stuff for that team, et cetera? Like I said, you know, she used to pick a 32. Do they trade out? I mean, they certainly need wide receiver help, but Andy Reed doesn't really, hasn't really spent a ton of first round picks on wide receivers. I think, uh, Jerry Macklin might be the.


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[Assistant] Uh, he didn't dress to wear a bow. So Jeremy Macklin might be the only one that he reads every day because Deshaun Jackson was a second round pick. Um, I have to look that up, but anywho, quarterbacks breach.


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[Assistant] Were you impressed by the quarterbacks? You were out there, JJ McCarthy and Michael Pinnix notable winners on Josh's list.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't, I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just, I think that like it's worth really, but he started, uh, I think it's just, I mean, do you know how many past attempts Michael Pennex Jr. Had in college?


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[Assistant] That is wild. That dude is, was in college for, he played six years of college football. A lot of these guys hit with the COVID stuff. Um, so he is older and he's got a injury history. I'd be curious to see how those medicals shake out. We talked about that before the combine.


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[Assistant] There's only 32 picks in the first round. I'll just be curious to see, um, and again, it comes out of what a team's need, who's on the back end. Do teams want to trade back into the first round to get that fifth year option? You know, is it a team like Seattle that loves to trade down and, you know, could be looking to, to maybe get somebody to come in behind Gino Smith eventually, um,


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[Assistant] So dude, some of the McCarthy stuff, like just irrespective of how he performed, like you hear me, like I, like there was a report, somebody said JJ McCarthy's in play at number two. And that's crazy. Like, I mean, JJ, JJ McCarthy won a national title. Don't get me wrong.


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[Assistant] You know, Drake May won eight games in Carolina with a ton of talent around him. And I have questions about Drake May, but I mean, if you're picking between JJ McCarthy and Drake May, give me Drake May all day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think we can see like the, the number in Vegas opened up at four and a half and then it suddenly the under becomes like heavily like minus two 50.


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[Assistant] When it starts to seem like somebody could slip out. Um, but yeah, I mean, it feels, and then I, like, you've also heard JJ McCarthy's above Jayden Daniels, uh, you know, Bay and that stuff that's coming out of the combine. And I think it's important to remember that with the combine, a lot of times.


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[Assistant] Media and fans, uh, so the media is playing catch up to a degree to these teams and these scouting departments who have been doing all this stuff and you know, media has mostly been covering the NFL season and now it's like, oh,


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[Assistant] And like dude, like these head coaches are playing catch up too. Like they're, you know, they're diving into it with their scouting department. That's what they're doing as a full time job right now. It's, it's, it's just fascinating because it's not as simple as like.


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[Assistant] All right. Like, yeah, this is set in stone. This is where it's all shifting right now.


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[Assistant] For sure. All right. Uh, tight ends and running backs very, very quickly because I've got to go get a small child. Um, who hurt themselves in the tight ends and the running max Josh losers.


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[Assistant] All right, uh, do it. Let's take a break and then breach is going to drive this car home, park it in the garage and, uh, there's a,


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[Assistant] Look, I'm actually disappointed because what I'd like to do is talk about linebackers and you know who Peyton Wilson blew up the combine on on Friday night. That was a delight watching him on Friday night, but I'll let you guys talk about it and you could do that, including defenders, winners and losers coming up coming up after the break.


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[Assistant] I don't even know what lemon bootied means, but I agree with you because of the context you use it in. I mean, we are talking about a team that now really feels like they could have easily lost in either of these playoff games. You saw the Packers dominate them or control the game for three quarters before that 49ers come back last week and really


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[Assistant] This to me felt, and we will dissect the lions here, uh, when we're done talking about San Francisco, but this really to me felt more like a Detroit collapse than the 49ers.


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[Assistant] And obviously, uh, you know, you don't out-sport a team 27-7 in a half unless you did do some things right.


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[Assistant] And I think this is probably what Kyle Shanahan told this team at halftime is like, okay guys, we are losing 24 to seven, but it's not like we can't move the ball.


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[Assistant] 130 yards, we're just, we're not doing anything that


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[Assistant] It was just a weird game. Weird first half. Christian McCaffrey wasn't doing anything in the first half.


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[Assistant] Kyle Shanahan seemed determined to get his run game going, even though the Lions had one of the best rushing defenses in football and he wouldn't get away from that. And then, you know, obviously Princeton talked about the big plays that Brock Purdy made with his legs. So just, and I mean, Juan Jennings had that one crazy catch.


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[Assistant] The thing is, if you go for a touchdown, you don't get, getting up three scores is the key there. And if you get a touchdown, you're still only up three scores.


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[Assistant] Now here's real quick to answer your question, Brenton. Number one, did Michael Badgley have the worst week of practice in the history of the NFL? Because this is just, Dan Campbell's not even looking at his kicker. He didn't hesitate for the two in the second half. Obviously he did in the first half.


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[Assistant] And so both of those kicks and we'll get to the second one. So I'll just stick to this one right now. This one would have been.


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[Assistant] This came with seven minutes left in the third quarter. If I have a chance to go up three scores with seven minutes left in the third quarter, I am absolutely going to try it. So I would have kicked the field goal there.


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[Assistant] Well, it was perfect kicking weather. I mean, it wasn't cold. It wasn't rainy. It was absolutely perfect kicking weather. So if he was out there drilling 50 yarders and warmups, then I'm absolutely going to have confidence in him to make that.


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[Assistant] And look, going up three scores again against a team that had mostly struggled, obviously they got that, they only got a field goal on their first drive of the half. So it's not even like they got that touchdown. They didn't have that momentum yet. They got three points.


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[Assistant] You take that three points right back from them and they're back at square one where they were at halftime except they've lost eight minutes. So I, yes, I would have taken a field there.


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[Assistant] Well look, I understand that this is the point Wilson made all year whenever I would push back on Dan Campbell that you have to know when to not be crazy.


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[Assistant] Well, no, Wilson, because it blew up in his face here. But you were saying, and you said this about the Cowboys game, the two point conversion after the five yard penalty that pushed him back to the seven. That's just Dan Campbell's nature. And maybe he'll come back and bite him in the butt. Maybe it won't, but that is his philosophy. That's how he does things.


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[Assistant] But we did see, that is not how he always does things, cause he did kick the field goal in the first half, as we mentioned, which is why it's key to bring that up, as Brenton mentioned.


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[Assistant] And so, you know, and it wasn't even the fact that they failed on these fourth downs. It's that you have a running game that was averaging seven yards per carry and you threw the ball on both fourth downs. You know, maybe, I don't know. It's seven yards per carry.


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[Assistant] When to rein it in. You see your team flailing, especially, uh, on the second one, when it's 27-24, the 4-9ers have all the momentum. The last thing you want to do is, I mean, as soon as they fail there, did anybody think that the Lions defense was going to get a stop? No, you knew the 4-9ers were going to score and it was game over.


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[Assistant] You kick a field goal, it's 27-27. Now the four-inners are on their heels. They're in a tie game with a seven point underdog.


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[Assistant] In a perfect situation for them to choke a game away, and instead the Lions just choke this away.


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[Assistant] I'll just say, the punt real quick just epitomized the lion's knight where if you can't even down a punt correctly, uh,


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[Assistant] And real quick, uh, Deebo brought the graphic up here that we didn't mention real quick because somebody's accusing me of classic hindsight takes, uh, where that graphic said,


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[Assistant] Dan Campbell's eventually gonna cost his team more than Sam Laporta with his gambling and that's the conversation we had after Laporta got injured in the final week of the season and then we said that if he keeps being this aggressive, it's gonna come back and bite him. We had that conversation in week 18 and I said the same thing that I'm saying right now. So it's been a month of saying this, uh, and it did happen. So,


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[Assistant] Gets the purty, maybe you get a safety if you force a three and out. So it just, the little things like that, they just all added up. It was painful to watch. I can't even imagine, uh, watching this game with a Lions fan.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree with that for the most part, but not in the fourth quarter of the NFC championship. When you have a chance to tie the game, I think that.


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[Assistant] If you put, if you tie the game, you're giving, you're saying, all right, I have confidence in my defense to get our team, the ball back so that we can win this game. Uh, and obviously you showed confidence in your offense by going for it, but they let you down and it, I don't know. It's just interesting. Cause look, I think that when you look at the 2021 or maybe 22 chargers,


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[Assistant] When they had Brandon Staley and he was hyper aggressive all the time and it blew up in his face, especially in that Raiders game and week eight team with the winner going to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] And they didn't make it and all people wrote about at the end of that season was, man, Staley doesn't know what he's doing, blah, blah, blah. And then to Brinson's words, he puckered up after that. He was never the same coach because he always got in his own head. He didn't know what to do in key situations. He didn't know what it made sense to go for on fourth down. It was a changed man out there.


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[Assistant] So we'll see, be interesting to see what Dan Campbell looks like going forward, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, Campbell would have had to sign off on that play call in that situation. Cause it's so crucial if it running the ball.


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[Assistant] You're, you don't get the touchdown, the game's over. And it was. I mean, that's what happened. Onside kicks are almost impossible to recover now. And it is, I probably would have kicked the field goal a little bit earlier. Maybe when, I mean, well, Dan Campbell clearly doesn't trust his kicker, doesn't, he wants to get touchdowns all the time. He doesn't do field goals.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, when I think they got down to, it looks like the 16 yard line with about a minute 35 left. If you kick the field goal there.


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[Assistant] And then the flip side, now he, once he decided not to do that and you get down to the one yard line and you keep burning time at that point, I do think you have to have the touchdown because you keep costing yourself more and more time.


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[Assistant] And if they would have gotten a touchdown there, they had second down at the one yard line. They had third down at the one yard line. If they score on either of those two plays and have all three timeouts, you could theoretically kick it deep because


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[Assistant] If you onside kick it, you're probably not going to recover it, and you have to make a stop no matter what, you have to make them go three and out, and if you kick it deep, use all your three time outs to go three and out, you need like 15 yards to get in field goal range, although we don't know what Michael Badgley's field goal range. So, yeah, I felt like they botched the end of the game, this was just...


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[Assistant] Man, that was just not, I thought Dan Campbell was a better in-game coach than Kyle Shanahan. This is stuff I would have expected out of Kyle Shanahan, just based on their track record and what we've seen in the postseason before. But man, no, this was a clinic on what not to do in the final two minutes of a game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'll say if I could have a goat of the game, as in the person who I blame it on, not greatest of all time, not greatest of all time. It's so confusing nowadays. It would be Todd Bonkin. I cannot believe the a you have.


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[Assistant] The number one rushing attack in the NFL. And if you watched any film from the Bills Chiefs game last week, which I'm assuming he did, the Bills ran for like 180 yards. If there was one thing you can absolutely do on the Chiefs defense, it is run the ball. And to Britson's point,


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[Assistant] One carry for 15 yards. That's pretty solid. Let's give him the ball. Let's feed him and see what happens. He got two more carries the rest of the game. That's it. They didn't even, you know, if this game was,


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[Assistant] And even when you're down 17-7, you're still in a spot where you stick to your game plan. You don't get crazy and throw the ball 37 times with Lamar Jackson. That's not how this offense is designed to run. It's not what Todd Malkin did the whole year. So it was just mind blowing that they called the offense like that. Now to Lamar Jackson thing.


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[Assistant] Definitely pin some of this blame on Lamar. I just want, it is, Todd Monkin is the number one guy on that offense I would blame. Is it Monkin or Monkin?


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[Assistant] Lamar had a horrible interception in the end zone.


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[Assistant] Uh, you can't take that away. There's the strip stack. So he had two key turnovers and when you look.


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[Assistant] At what Lamar Jackson has done, that's three of his five playoff games where he's had multiple turnovers. So I don't think it's unfair to say he struggles in the playoffs because this is a struggle.


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[Assistant] He's been in four playoff games where he scored 10 points, three points, 12 points, 17 points. I think this is the third time where the Ravens lowest scoring total the season came in a playoff game. Why doesn't this offense work in the playoffs? Like what's the explanation for that?


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[Assistant] Is it because the offensive coordinator decides to go rogue? And you know what? Let's just try a completely new game plan that we don't even know if our offense can do. Let's just do it. And you know, like the Lions, there were some drop passes here.


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[Assistant] And Sneed forced the fumble in the end zone, right, with Zayflowers?


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[Assistant] And that was, you know, the whole thing with the Zay Flowers taunting, it is what it is because in the end, it didn't matter because they got back down to the one yard line. What mattered is that he fumbled the ball at the one and that's the thing that cost them, not the taunting.


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[Assistant] And, and then, cause it's 17 to 7 at that point. If you score a touchdown there and it's 17 to 14, it's a completely different game. And again, I mean, even the very next possession was the Lamar interception, the end zone. And once again,


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[Assistant] You just can't do that. And the reason it's not look, the throw was horrible. You can't throw in a triple coverage. That's one thing, but there's no need to take that risk because a field goal cuts it to one score. You just have to get.


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[Assistant] The drive before that they punted, uh, from Kansas City's territory. And that was one where they had the ball at the 40 yard line. So you're on the edge of Justin Tucker field goal range and Lamar gets sacked for an eight yard loss. And that's another one of those where you cannot take a sack.


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[Assistant] In that situation, because now you're from fringe field goal range to you have to punt. And again, a field goal would have been such a big thing to get in either of those instances. And obviously it's not gonna be huge in the save flowers instance. So you gave away.


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[Assistant] Three points with the interceptions, A flowers gave away seven with the fumble, and then you possibly gave away three points with the sack on the punt. That's thirteen points in a game where there were only thirty total points.


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[Assistant] Oh and fun fact real quick, Chiefs were the first team since your Steelers in 2010, Ryan, to win an AFC Championship without scoring a single point in the second half.


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[Assistant] Yeah, real quick, comparing this to the 49ers game where the 49ers very well could have lost their two playoff games, the Chiefs have been dominating. Uh, the Chiefs defense was awesome, the Chiefs offense somehow regular season


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[Assistant] Does nothing the last few weeks, flips the switch, and now looks completely unstoppable. I mean, sure they only scored 10 points, but would you get


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[Assistant] That you know the ball is going to Travis Kelsey. The Ravens know the ball is going to Travis Kelsey. You guys know it's going to Travis Kelsey. Taylor Swift knows the ball is going to Travis Kelsey. And yet no one can do anything about it. 11 catches for 116 yards. The guy passed Jerry Rice for the most receptions.


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[Assistant] In post-season history, that is just bonkers. And so I will say that, and we kinda said this last week, that Travis Kelce looked like a slow 34 year old guy the last few weeks. It was like, oh my gosh, is this gonna retire? But now it just looks like


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[Assistant] He was thinking, I just need to get to the playoffs. I don't have the, I don't have the stamina to go through this 18 game season. Let's just start the playoffs so I can beat everybody, do a poll. And that really feels like what's going on here. I mean, the Chiefs offense looked good.


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[Assistant] I'll say real quick to that is that a lot of our biggest questions in this past offseason back in August, we were asking


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[Assistant] How are the Chiefs gonna win a Super Bowl with this offense? And well, the question is because their defense is going to partly carry them there, which hasn't had to happen in the Mahomes era, that there has been for the first time, Patrick Mahomes has had a margin of error where he could fail a little bit and maybe have an off game during the regular season or


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[Assistant] Uh, not look, get shut out in the second half of the AFC title game and you still win cause your defense is so good and that's a safety net that he's never known before. I'm sure he is loving it. So yeah, I think the fact that their defense is so much better. You know, we all thought it was going to be good, but it is great.


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[Assistant] Second fewest points given up this year, second fewest yards, uh, it is beating up teams and so that's why you have to feel good about what they're doing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's gonna be a big part is Brock Purdy versus Patrick Mahomes. You have the quarterback, you have Brock Purdy who...


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[Assistant] I feel like the first half of this game it was like, what is this guy doing? He's going to choke in every playoff and then.


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[Assistant] Second half, the offense is clicking. They look good. A big part of it is cause he's running, he's throwing it. He looks accurate, made some great throws. And it was the same thing in the Packers game where it was like, how this guy is being totally outplayed by Jordan Love for three quarters.


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[Assistant] And then turns on the fourth quarter and has a game winning drive. So you have the last pick in the draft against Patrick Mahomes. It doesn't seem fair. Uh, but the 49ers are favored because.


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[Assistant] Their roster is stacked. And if you would have asked me, uh, week 15 and just give me a list of Superbowl matchups and Chiefs 49ers was on it, I would have picked the 49ers without blinking.


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[Assistant] In week 15, but ever since Christmas night against the Ravens and then you just look at the Packers game, the Lions game.


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[Assistant] Defensively and offensively. So I think this is going to be an interesting battle. You know, like Princeton, like Princeton, I'm surprised that the 49ers were favored.


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[Assistant] Homefield advantage for the 49ers because you are talking about.


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[Assistant] A short flight. I'm looking right now. You could fly from San Francisco to Vegas the Wednesday before the Super Bowl for $35. 49ers fans can just pile into Vegas. It's so geographically close. It's the Bay Area. You have the tech money. You can afford Super Bowl tickets. We're not taking a $35 flight if you have tech money, Breeze.


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[Assistant] When Burnside do that individually. You do 56 of them, I do two of them. Uh, but this is...


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[Assistant] Brenton mentioned the Patriots. You mentioned the Patriots. Uh, Keats were going to their fourth Super Bowl in five years. Just the third team in NFL history to pull that off. Patriots, as Brenton mentioned, did that. And so did the Buffalo Bills, but they lost them all.


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[Assistant] Uh, and maybe that's why. I do think Chiefs fans are crazy. Chiefs fans are great. They will show up. I'm just saying that Vegas is a lot closer to San Francisco and it's a lot more manageable trip when you're coming from the Bay Area.


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[Assistant] No, I mean this, even if they didn't make it, you make it to six straight AFC title games, you're in the dynasty conversation, and when you win those and you're getting to the Super Bowls also, then yes, you are dynasty.


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[Assistant] For NFL fans, it's gotta be so weird because it's so hard to continuously win in this league, especially in the salary cap era, and to go straight from the Patriots dynasty to this Chiefs dynasty is shocking. It's really crazy to have this happen.


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[Assistant] And shout out real quick to Jared Dubin.


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[Assistant] Who, we, we do our preseason Super Bowl picks, we turn them in, in August. What'd he say? Uh, you know, you talked about the draft that we do, so, the, the Super Bowl draft and, and me and Brinton are out. Uh, so just to rub all our noses in this, Brinton, your Super Bowl pick, you know what it was. You got half of it right. You got Bill's 49ers. Wilson's was Charlie's. Hold on, hold on, hold on.


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[Assistant] Better. And Dubin's was Chief's 49er, so he nailed it.


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[Assistant] Uh, the one thing about the other real quick is that the three Super Bowls the Chiefs have played with Patrick Mahomes. The winning team every time has scored at least 31 points. Wowzers.


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[Assistant] Nah, I'm leaning with Brinson here, except I would go over, I think, I would lean Chiefs right now.


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[Assistant] I bought a fancy new sports car. I can't wait to show it off. I can't wait to see it. Ah, it's so much fun. And by the way,


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[Assistant] We'll have to set aside a day after the Super Bowl, the week after where we share all our stories from Vegas.


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[Assistant] This is the Pic Six Podcast, and this is Super Wild Card Weekend Sunday Night Recap Edition. Part 2! Saturday Night Recap Edition is in the old feed. That's Will Brinson, that's John Breach, I'm Ryan Wilson, and remember, give us a little thumbs up if you're watching us on the YouTubes, at NFL and CBS, and of course, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts so you never miss a show.


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[Assistant] Alright boys, we're starting in Dallas. Ooh boy.


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[Assistant] Who were at one time seven point favorites during the week against the old Packers there and all Green Bay did was set a playoff scoring record versus the Cowboys and Jordan Love on Sunday looked a lot like CJ Stroud looked on Saturday and we'll get to the Cowboys at some point this, uh, this evening. But first got to start with the winners and that means.


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[Assistant] Dallas look lost against Green Bay's offense and I'll start here and this is something I tweeted out after the game.


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[Assistant] The Cowboys and defensive coordinator Dan Quinn had exactly zero answers when the Packers lined up with two tight ends. And that's something the Packers did a lot during the season. Second highest rate in the NFL to the tune of 37% of the time. Something they did at a 48% clip on Sunday.


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[Assistant] So with tight ends Luke Musgrave and Tyler Kraft, both rookies on the field, Jordan Love, a tidy seven of eight with two touchdowns, perfect passer rating and the average 16.1 yards per attempt, per attempt, excuse me. It gets even worse.


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[Assistant] When green Bay ran the ball with two tight ends, 95 yards, a touchdown, and they averaged 5.3 yards per carry. So much for Dan Quinn's defense. So Brinson.


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[Assistant] Packers have now won 10 of their last 11 games against the Cowboys. That's it. How impressive was this victory against the Dallas team that had won 16 straight at home and averaged more than 37 points per game at home this season?


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[Assistant] At any rate, uhm. The point was that Sean Clifford came in and then they had to bring Jordan Love back in. That's right. Sean Clifford had stayed in the game.


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[Assistant] I would just push back on that. He has not been in his lower, the first half of the season they started three and six. Um, and since then they've been lights out. In fact, uh, he's had the fewest turnover worthy play since 2013.


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[Assistant] I know, I'm just saying, the streakiness hasn't really been there. That's all I'm saying.


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[Assistant] What do you think about this? Was Aaron Rodgers restricting Matt LaFleur's ability to be the best Matt LaFleur, Matt LaFleur could be?


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[Assistant] I, I mean, we'll talk about this in a second. I don't even know if Michael McCarthy had, he didn't have anything to do with the way Dak played or the way CD and he and Dak were on the same page. I think Dan Quinn, sort of like we talked about with Jim Schwartz yesterday, is the guy in the crosshairs. In terms of Jordan Love, he is probably playing on time.


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[Assistant] He throws on time so consistently and a lot of credit. We talk about this all the time. We talk about these quarterbacks. You have to have a play caller who can dial up the plays and put these guys in position to succeed.


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[Assistant] And Matt LaFleur and Brian Gudekins probably don't get enough credit. They're playing with only first and second year wide receivers and tight ends. I talked about them playing with more two tight end sets than anyone else and they win with that and both running and throwing the ball.


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[Assistant] Tyler Croft, who came in for Luke Musgrave when he was banged up, uh, earlier in the season, blocking his ass off and they are doing so many things precisely. And when you see teams that lose and the Dallas Cowboys are an example of this, they don't do things precisely.


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[Assistant] You get your asses handed to you. So Breach, the Cowboys came into this game.


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[Assistant] They got, they got a big old goose egg hung on them. And uhm, one thing I want to mention and then I want to get your thoughts on this. Uh, Brenton talked about Dan Quinn. Here's a little fun fact that uhm, Honest NFL tweeted about.


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[Assistant] And he talks a lot about just X's and O's, but this was a little behind the scenes thing that I didn't even heard of me. Well, the floor scored when, um, Jordan Love threw that touchdown at the end of the game there to Romeo Dobbs when it was.


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[Assistant] 24 points or whatever, right before Sean Clifford came in down at the, inside the five yard line. It felt like maybe rub, rubbing it in, but you can sort of understand it because things were going back and forth at that point.


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[Assistant] So honest NFL tweeted that LeFleur was holding a grudge against Dan Quinn because LeFleur was a quarterbacks coach in Atlanta when Dan Quinn was the head coach. That's correct. And he ended up leaving because he didn't get the OC job. That job went to Steve Sarkisian breach. He ended up going to LA.


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[Assistant] You're too busy dancing with your uh, blow up Matt Stafford doll to miss that one.


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[Assistant] So before we talk about the uh, Cowboys, let's, let's finish on this thought. Let's talk a little bit more about Jordan Love and, and how good, how good can he be because he's special. We got caught up in the CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] Oh, I would even take it a step further.


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[Assistant] Hold on, let me go back to the 2020 draft class in which, uh, Justin Fields was in. 2-0 Justin Herbert or Justin Pierce?


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[Assistant] You don't include Burrow, right? Just those three.


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[Assistant] At the time, I said they did the right thing. I was all on board. I was a huge Jordan Love guy coming out.


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[Assistant] Well, that's, I mean, it's out there. People want to see it. I like, I mean, I have had some misses, but I like Jordan love. I thought he was in a bad situation. I talked to him at the combine or excuse me, at the senior bowl right after that season. And he admitted, he's like, I try to do too much. And we see quarterbacks do that. Brock Purdy tried to do too much at Iowa status last year. So it happens. But, um, again,


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[Assistant] I'm giving you even a better example. Trey Lance was drafted third overall. No one cares that he got sent to the Cowboys. In fact, he was trending on Sunday because Cowboys fans wanted to see him in the game.


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[Assistant] And they're really young, for sure.


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[Assistant] Uh, the lions. Not after tonight.


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[Assistant] And Chris Billman. I'm not gonna leave him hanging. I do love me some, uh, Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] All right, Breach, why don't you, uh, turn the conversation to, to Dak, someone who for the first time in a long time didn't throw a bunch of, thank you Eric, didn't throw a, didn't lead the league in inter, in interceptions like an year ago. And he actually was in the MVP conversation and he admitted that he sucked on Sunday night, which I don't think anyone is going to argue with.


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[Assistant] Uhm, bad decision by, it was an inaccurate throw by Dak. The, the other, the next pick 6 that breached Jishminton.


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[Assistant] Was, uh, they were in a double slants and he threw the ball to C.D. Lamb, which wasn't necessarily a bad read, except for the fact that, uh, Kirby Joseph, whoever was standing there, threw it right to him and hit him in the face. He didn't see him there. That's, that's something that you don't want DTR or Aiden O'Connell to do. And he, I mean, that's, that's like a day one.


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[Assistant] And then after that, it's a wrap. I mean it, Dak plays with confidence. I think he led the team in rushing and that sort of skewed the rushing stats.


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[Assistant] But they shut down their ability to have any sort of balance. It certainly helps when you're up 27 to nothing. Uhm, at one point we saw Jerry in the first half turn around looking, looking to fire somebody. I don't know if he accomplished that.


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[Assistant] 7 seeds, 0 and 6 coming into this game. 0 and 6. 18 and 0 at home for the Cowboys, 8 and 0 this year.


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[Assistant] Before we do that, I'm gonna read you some quick stats and we'll take a break and Brenton will tell us Mike McCarthy's future. Can you imagine Brenton being in control of your future, Breeze? No. Uh, the Cowboys have now failed a recent conference championship game in 13 straight playoff appearances. They've lost eight times in the first game of the postseason going back to 1996.


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[Assistant] And they are now 5 and 13 in the postseason since 1996. And that is the, uhm,


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[Assistant] Jerry, I mean the Jimmy Johnson line, they were 31 and 18 prior to that.


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[Assistant] So just something to, to think about if you are a Cowboys, long suffering Cowboys fan.


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[Assistant] Breach, if the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys will be Deon Sanders, the new offensive coordinator will be Michael Irving.


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[Assistant] But let me, let me put it in context. That's like breach going on at all time.


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[Assistant] Breachy and Bender. And Breachy in this role is Dan Quinn, which means he would have to be elevated. You can't promote Dan Quinn.


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[Assistant] Dan Quinn actively acted like he wanted to get the big man fired.


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[Assistant] Jerry was asked after the, the commander's win, would McCarthy be back for fifth season? We'll see how each game goes in the playoffs. And then he had to scramble to qualify. He said, uh,


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[Assistant] And my Brinson voice doing Jerry. I was a little surprised. I don't know how it could be any clearer. Coach McCarthy is under contract for next year, so that's not an issue. Secondly, I could not be more pleased with what he's done and how he's coached.


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[Assistant] You think that's true, Breach? I would imagine he's had more painful losses. Oh, no, no, no, no. Well, I mean, we can... No, I believe he said it. I don't know if that's the most painful loss.


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[Assistant] The man averaged over 37 points a game at home. I'm not saying he should be fine.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't, I'm, I'm sort of indifferent and I, I was, I'm probably higher.


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[Assistant] I'm higher on McCarthy now than I was a year ago, and I think he actually exceeded my expectations once they got rid of Kelly Moore. Uhm, so I give him credit for that, but every playoff loss is more demoralized than the one preceded in the field.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you that, Breach. If Matt LaFleur is calling place for Dak Prescott, Matt LaFleur is getting fired too, it feels like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I don't, I think it's unfair to heap blame on Mike McCarthy. I'm not a...


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[Assistant] I'll just say this one last time, and then you guys can tell me who you think is the best. Number one, you'll get one answer. And this again, I'm just quoting Jerry Jones.


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[Assistant] Last week, Coach McCarthy is under contract for next year. That's not an issue. I couldn't be more pleased with what he's done and how he's coached.


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[Assistant] So he'll be asked about those comments, and you know, you can say the blowout changed his mind, I get that. All right, Breach, who is the one and only coach to save Mike McCarthy from himself?


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[Assistant] I think Mike Vray will be a much better coach than Bill Belch up there.


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[Assistant] I want to get, I'll start with Breach here so, uh, Brenton can collect his thoughts about his...


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[Assistant] Let's take a break and let's, let me cry and we'll talk about lions and dragons. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get Breach's thoughts and then we'll take a break. Cause Breach is, uh, I'll just say he's a little less loquacious than some other people's podcasts, so he won't take a break.


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[Assistant] The Jerry Goff, quiet the doubters breach because, uh, producer Harry was taking some shots at game manager Jerry Goff, uh, early in the fourth quarter when the wheels were a little shaky on the old Lion's bus. Great drive, uh, the penultimate drive that set them, that got them, actually the last drive when they were able to convert, he made that big throw to Amon Ross St. Brown.


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[Assistant] Calm down and Chris Collins will talk throughout the telecast about how


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[Assistant] Jerichoft was down to the dumps when he got sent from LA to Detroit. Understandable. But Dan Campbell had his back and sort of got him back on track. How impressive were you to Jerichoft's performance?


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[Assistant] Brinson, do you want to bounce back, uh, Brinson? I thought we were taking a break after. I thought you said you were going to weigh in. No, I was kidding. All right. So, uh, we'll take a break and when we come back.


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[Assistant] Before we talk about Matthew Stafford, uh, we'll turn the conversation


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[Assistant] To the rams and talk about we'll talk about the lines actually have to break and then we'll get to the.


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[Assistant] The misuse of timeouts by Sean McVeigh before we talk about Madison Stafford's great performance. We'll talk about all that right after this.


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[Assistant] Alright, Breach, tell me what you think about this. 14 to 10, early in the second quarter, and to piggyback off what Brentz is talking about in terms of what Dan Campbell's done all year in terms of being aggressive. Third and three from the plus four yard line. They get to the two. John Skipper comes in, or Dan Skipper. He is eligible as a fat guy.


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[Assistant] And they go for it on fourth and one from the two yard line and goth throws to Laporta. And here's the other thing that I meant to mention with the previous game we talked about. We sort of talked about Matt LaFleur doing a great job. Um, and then yesterday we talked about Bobby Sloak doing a great job scheming them open. Ben Johnson, great job.


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[Assistant] Uh, Michael Hoyt was in coverage on Sam Laporta. Michael Hoyt is an edge rusher who looks like he probably works at a bowling alley part-time. Fantastic season, but he does drop into coverage a lot for a big guy. He was in coverage on the TD pass to Sam Laporta on fourth down. That makes it 21 to 10. How was that good for you?


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[Assistant] Three touchdowns on the first three drives. And that I made a note there because this is what it reminded me of. Cause I told you guys this when we were debating why in God's name would you go for two from the seven yard line in that Cowboys game. And I said, I don't think that game matters. I think Dan Campbell is sending a message to his team that we're going to roll.


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[Assistant] With, by being aggressive. And that's sort of what I got from that. What'd you, what'd you think of that point?


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[Assistant] Let's start with the timeouts and we'll get to that. So let's start with the timeouts. So Sean McVeigh called his first timeout of the second half with 13.30 to go in the third quarter. Not good. Yeah, that's terrible.


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[Assistant] You're not even kidding. The second time out they called, literally 15 game minutes later, 13.47 to go in the fourth quarter. So they have one left. So they already have their back against the wall. So one time out, and go ahead Brenton with that last punt.


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[Assistant] I'll say this though, sorry to interrupt you, but that play was because Aiden Hutchinson got held. Another sort of bowl move by Dan Campbell, not to let it be fourth and six, make it be third down. Dan Campbell took the penalty. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why they moved.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you, I'll tell you exactly what he does. So, because I was looking this up and it sort of supports your point. And by the way, if Dan Cable hadn't gotten the


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[Assistant] The decision to throw it with Jared Goff to Sam Laporte, if that falls incomplete, people are whinging about that because you only had one yard to go.


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[Assistant] But, uh, early in the third quarter, they have fourth and 16, the Lions do from their 35 or from the, the Rams 35, which is similar situation to what would have happened had Dan Campbell declined the penalty when the Rams were there later in the game. And they sent out Michael Badgley to try 54 yard and he absolutely smokes it. He had only.


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[Assistant] So he, Dan Gamble, Dan Gamble took some gambles and they paid off in those instances. And I think to Brent's point, it may be if you were moving back to, to fourth and 14, you, you run two plays to try to get that yardage, not, uh, all, all for nothing.


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[Assistant] The number of young players that are balling out, you talked about CJ Stroud, Puka Nakul went for 181, Romeo Dobson for 151. So we have these young guys, absolutely balling. Uh, there's Puka there, great job. Producer Harry surpassed DK Metcalf for most receiving yards in a playoff game by a rookie. Jerry Macklin on the list and of course, Keith Jackson out of Oklahoma.


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[Assistant] I like the 2-2-2. I don't love the 2-2-2, but I like it better for planning purposes in terms of what we have to do at 1130 at night, but I take your point. It's a lot easier than 16-0. Alright, anything else? Uh, Brenton, do you want to give a...


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[Assistant] A heartfelt love letter to Matthew Stafford. Producer Harry is on fire right now.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm gonna go a little bit off, uh, off script here.


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[Assistant] Bill Belichick is the real winner. Mike McCarthy is the real winner because now he can go on vacation if he wants to. Uhm, I'm gonna go, I mean, the Packers, Jordan Love and Matt LaFleur are the obvious selections there, but that offense was incredibly balanced. I'm going with Aaron Jones.


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[Assistant] Aaron Jones averaged 5.6 yards per carry. Had the three touchdowns that Breach mentioned earlier. Went for 118, his fourth straight game of over a hundred yards going back to the end of the regular season there. And the Cowboys had no answers. They had no answers for the run game. They had no answers obviously for the pass game and their offense no-show.


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[Assistant] Aaron Jones is going to be critical to whatever's next. And whatever's next, I do believe since you're the seventh seed is the San Francisco 49ers. And that's going to be a fun matchup of.


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[Assistant] Only one of us is 4-0 against the spread, that's all I'm saying.


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[Assistant] You know, it's funny. It's sunny. It's been sunny all day at my house, which is really sunny this time of year. And, uh, sorry, buddies, Lee J. Doosable and Jeremy St. Louis out in the feet of snow today, just three hours west of here. So I don't know. I got to, in fact, I'll tell you, I got to alert on my phone this afternoon at.


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[Assistant] 2, at 3pm, and it said that the state has issued a commercial vehicle ban on I-90, which is the thruway that runs to, uhm,