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[Assistant] Live it in my blood was what he said this afternoon when he was kind of being asked about did you enjoy this sunday in his line was i live it my blood now i don't know exactly what he means by that but i love the idea that.


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[Assistant] And can't wait, quote unquote, to get revenge on finishing, not being able to win this week.


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[Assistant] I don't even think it's Stephen Yeager. I think it's on the, I think the golf gods need to be looking over their shoulder to be honest with you. Uh, yes, Tito's getting a little angry right now because I'm talking about someone else other than him. Uh, I think, I think this has everything to do with him being angry at the golf gods.


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[Assistant] They need to be looking over their shoulder. And I don't even know, maybe, I mean, we'll have to wait to see where this plays out because I watched and enjoyed all of it.


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[Assistant] Uh, not just today, but you know, watching him throughout the course of the week and almost to the point that I kind of had to go back and take a bit of a deep dive on trying to figure out, like, what was his path to the PGA Tour? And it was very much unorthodoxed and he did win once on the KFT Tour. I'm not quite sure if that's highly decorated, as I think is what you called it.


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[Assistant] But isn't this the exact same personality that we want? I mean, I hate to circle back around and pick on Cam Young because he seems to be a common target of ours. But when you watch him play golf, there doesn't seem to be a lot of joy there.


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[Assistant] In my mind, maybe he's enjoying it deep down inside, but when you're watching him play golf, he looks wildly unhappy.


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[Assistant] You can't say that about Alejandro. Now maybe there are times when he's unhappy about pace of play or a playing partner or whatever the case may be, but when he's in full stride and he's living it in his blood, whatever that means, you can clearly tell that he's having a good time. I think that's good for the game. Those are the personalities I think that Jason Gore was talking about when he said the PGA tour can make a star in three weeks.


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[Assistant] And I think maybe it was a little misconstrued. It has more to do with, it's not about the PGA tour making a star. It's about the PGA tour creating opportunity for someone like Alejandro, for the world to get to know him a little bit better.


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[Assistant] I don't think we're there yet. A colleague of ours, and I don't even know if Doug Ferguson said this, but he's the one that relayed this line to me, and I think it was really good, we were talking about it at the Players Championship, that the PGA Tour is a Marvel movie without any villains, right now.


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[Assistant] And I think that's a really good way of putting it because all you have is a bunch of leading men right now in the PGA tour and no one.


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[Assistant] That you can sort of get behind and not like. And if you look at any other sport, and I'm not even passing judgment, some people like Aaron Rodgers, some people don't. My guess is if your team is not the New York Jets, you probably don't like them. And you can go down the line and do that probably in every sport where golf is different. Like the villains in golf have to be sort of...


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[Assistant] Bread to be that they have to be cultivated. You have to have the Patrick reads of the world continually.


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[Assistant] I think whatever's going on between Patrick Cantlay and Rory McIlroy probably qualifies and I'm not quite sure. Whatever that is, like this goes back well beyond.


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[Assistant] Probably 70% yes, 30% no. Now it's pretty much on 90% yes and very rarely is it a no because you don't have the villains.


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[Assistant] Cam Young, again, not to pick on him, he just looks unhappy, but I'm sure he's not an unhappy person.


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[Assistant] Well, this goes back to the idea that golf, at least for the majority of my career, was at its best when Phil was playing his basketball. And I say that because Tiger Woods always played well over the course of the last...


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[Assistant] During those days, however, that was always best for golf. I always found that to be the most engaging time.


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[Assistant] You heard Chris DiMarco's comments last week, uh, on the Subpar Podcast.


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[Assistant] About the Champions Tour, about Lev Goff, about the PIF, about him being angry that the PGA Tour Champions players are not being paid enough.


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[Assistant] I walked away from that angry first off that I didn't get into my Friday column because I wasn't paying attention enough apparently. And I had to get my Friday column.


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[Assistant] I totally missed it on Thursday. It hadn't been sort of aggregated up at that point. I totally missed it. I need to start. Actually, I went and listened to the podcast. It's very good, very good.


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[Assistant] It's Colt Nost and the Sleazy Man. I believe that's his name. I wanted to get the entire-


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[Assistant] Cause it was baffling to me the idea that Chris DiMarco could be so tone deaf and completely unaware of the narrative in golf that fans are completely turned off by the talk about money and negotiations and equity shares, everything else we've been digging in on. And suddenly he thinks it's a good idea to do this. To me, that was baffling.


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[Assistant] And I don't, uh, Drew Stoltz is his name, but he does go by Sleaze Man by the way, just to make sure I wanted to get that right. Clean that up. I've met Drew a few times. Very, very nice fella. Uh, I, I do like their podcast.


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[Assistant] I, I was just taken by the idea that what kind of rock, and, and I actually liked Chris DiMarco in his career. You want to talk about villains and, and, and heroes like during that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, during that time when, when he was going head to head with Tiger Woods, and it was a pretty small window, but he created sort of this Yen the Tiger's Yang that I enjoyed writing about, that I enjoyed covering at Liverpool that year, at the Masters that year. I mean, he was, he was an interesting


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[Assistant] To come out with the idea that, oh, this is ridiculous, we should be making more money. Why? How?


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[Assistant] Please explain that to me. Like why in the world do you think? And this goes to


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[Assistant] I think what is the undertone in fandom right now when it comes to the PGA Tour and professional golf in general is I think a lot of PGA Tour players and even live golf.


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[Assistant] Oh, absolutely. No, I get what you're saying. He was their white knight on that horse that they needed at that point in time. However, I don't know that we ever end up at this point in time. You probably would have ended up


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[Assistant] With, and, and I had, I think we both had seen it over the last decade, let's say. I mean, the top players had started to become, even before LibGolf, even before the Public Investment Fund got involved, you'd seen the top players become more and more disgruntled, just with the idea of how the pie was being


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[Assistant] Split up. And this goes to, I mean, I think you can see this across the broader range of sports. I'll put it in the context that you can easily understand. Your conference, the SEC.


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[Assistant] It's probably going to try to ruin college football along with the Big 10. What you got there? Oh, nice. Augusta. The Augustus. Home of the Augustus.


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[Assistant] So that's, I think that's a perfect example of where golf found itself, where you have the SEC and the Big Ten, clearly the top two conferences in college football, and they want a bigger piece of the pie. I think the translation to that is Phil Mickelson and everyone else in that universe at that time.


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[Assistant] That like they deserved a bigger piece of the pie and maybe they did like i was always on the side of the player throughout this process simply because.


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[Assistant] And we know how much a lot of these contracts are for. I'm talking about the television contracts. So it's easy to put a number on it. And golf is the only professional sport, only mainstream professional sport, I guess I need to put it that way, that doesn't have a collecting bargaining agreement.


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[Assistant] 49% of all basketball related income has to go back to salaries. I think in the NFL it's 51%. So those are, that's pretty easy math to figure out. You don't have that in golf. And I think that was sort of the starting point for Phil. So to your point, yeah, he was the guy that came in and you're right. If you're writing this story 15 years from now, he'd be, he'd be the turning point. That's the seminal moment.


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[Assistant] When he decided, okay, things were going to change. They don't change though without the public investment.


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[Assistant] I think they should care about the champion store? You're talking about fans?


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't know if that's the option because I think it's a product that works in certain communities. So no, I'm not gonna go that far. I think it's going to be a question of resources at some point or the other.


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[Assistant] Because wherever it is the PGA Tour ends up, and I've been teased that that's going to become a drinking game because I keep saying, using that phrase, I don't know another way to put it. Wherever it is, they end up, drink up.


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[Assistant] It's going to have to be more about the top players. It's going to have to be more about the big events. It's going to have to be more about the PGA Tour. And then the secondary option is going to be whatever is below that.


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[Assistant] And you can call it the PGA tour B, you can call it a Gorfly coin fairy tour, whatever the case may be, but that's going to have to be the secondary.


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[Assistant] Focus, okay, we need to, if we're going to create what Rory has talked about and we want to do it like they do with European football and you're going to have to do the pyramid, that means you're going to have to create opportunities for players to play their way in to these big events, which we've seen so far this season and it could work in theory. As resources start getting thin, the champions tour, the PGA Tour champions is the easy option.


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[Assistant] I'm going to San Antonio, so barbecue now. Please, hit us up. Let me know. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. You usually do my itinerary, but you clearly have nothing for it.


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[Assistant] Uh, big fan and I, I covered it once I believe in the fall and it's an entirely different golf course when it's not ever seeded and you essentially just have the, the dormant.


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[Assistant] I think the concern there is they didn't really get the Texas wins. And I'm sure someone's going to call me out for this. Maybe they don't get wins this time of year in Texas. I don't know. Maybe they do.


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[Assistant] But I can imagine a scenario where players probably wouldn't be really happy if it blew 20, 30 miles an hour. Trying to get ready for the Masters, but I could be wrong on that.


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[Assistant] Uh, we celebrated Easter over at my in-laws house. So we just had an Easter egg hunt and they did ham and all of the things. So I didn't do it. Yesterday was my big smoking day. I did ribs and I did what was left of the pork butt, the half of pork butt that I'd done before. So I was out there all day long, basketball, golf. It was perfect.


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[Assistant] Well, we only get one, so my wife and I, we get one egg. One egg?


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[Assistant] No, no, so it got to be a little bit too competitive between my wife and her sister-in-law.


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[Assistant] My sister, my sister-in-law was an athlete. She played soccer at Auburn.


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[Assistant] So she can, she can actually move around the yard. Hm, bunkmate not so much. So it got to be a bit of a, it got to be a little contentious. So we had to split it up and everyone gets their own color and I just have one big blue egg.


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[Assistant] Well, I think after coming off of what 2023 was, you have to sort of take a deep breath and you'd like to think that 2024 is going to be.


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[Assistant] More about what happens on the golf course, the competition, the players, all the things we look forward to. My guess is that's not going to be entirely true, but I do like the idea that now we're getting to the point where at least we can look at the players. And I think looking back to last year, I can take one victory lap.


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[Assistant] In that podcast, I think I can only do one column or call I did is the most disappointing player actually I think that what we did last year was.


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[Assistant] A player that would drop out of the top 25. Was that, was that my comment? I think is what I said.


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[Assistant] I mean, whatever's going to happen between the PGA tour, obviously private equity is involved. Now you have the group that's led by Finway Sports and Saudi Arabia's Private Investment, Public Investment Fund. I think those three elements are going to have to find a way to fit together, find a way to all play in the same yard and not


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[Assistant] I don't know, make each other angry. And that's going to be the big question because I don't know how they fit together. That's a fine right there. Sorry about that. I don't know how they fit together in this scenario, but they have to find a way.


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[Assistant] I think the turn you're referring to, and this just kind of came out in a memo a few weeks ago, is how many players work their way into and out of the top 50. That's the magic number we want to look at for next year. And I think the number that the tour told the players was about 19%.


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[Assistant] So that's the number to keep an eye on as we go through next year. I think it will be interesting.


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[Assistant] It's, it's completely different and I did find it interesting talking with players just a few weeks ago at the hero world challenge about the idea of this clearly is not going to be the final product whatever happens between private equity and the public investment fund.


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[Assistant] As we looked at the schedule is right now, the signature event schedule is what we can call it.


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[Assistant] It's gonna evolve. Like I think every player, JT talked about it, Tiger talked about it. It's just like the FedEx Cup. I don't think there's been one year.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be surprised if there were changes mid-stride because that's simply where we're at right now.


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[Assistant] If something is so amiss and you pointed out player discontent and that's only going to get louder, but if you end up with a situation where players


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[Assistant] We didn't have a very good production meeting on this front, so we're going to pick the same player. So before I get to that, I want to thank the folks who are always have comments on the YouTube page and thank you so much. Nick page is quote unquote the audio guy pointed something out about my microphone. I'm not, I wasn't speaking into the cap. Is that what he called it?


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[Assistant] Capsule, capsule. Capsule. Uh, so I've adjusted, uh, Nick, let me know if that's the right way to do it.


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[Assistant] We're still not sure. We did ask our audio expert, Jared, and he didn't really offer much help on that front. Something tells me he was drinking when he was texting us back on that front. I went with Victor Hoblin.


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[Assistant] And I think you're going to go with Victor Havan as well. I think we can all agree. He's on the ballot.


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[Assistant] For the PGA Tour Player of the Year is on the ballot for the Golf Riders Association Player of the Year. He's not going to win because he didn't win a major. I think that comes next year. I think when you look at the progression of his game and we keep going back to that story at this year's Open Championship when


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[Assistant] When you walk by him and he was hitting those little flippy wedge shots off that just rock hard turf and just beautiful chip shots and he kind of turned and I think he's lying to you was remember when I couldn't hit those shots or remember when everyone thought I was a bad chipper and he's turned.


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[Assistant] One of his big, biggest weaknesses into one of his biggest strengths. And that's how you go from being a really, really good PGA tour player to being a great PGA tour player. Let's face it. His ball striking was always sublime. He was always among the best in the game. He took that one area and you see what happened this year. He wins the FedEx cup. He wins multiple times on the PGA tour.


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[Assistant] He has just an unbelievable Ryder Cup for the European team. I think all of those things only push him to get better next year. I would actually be surprised if he doesn't win a major next year.


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[Assistant] I didn't think you and I were going to step on each other's toes on this one. I'm going to go with Sam Burns because again, I kind of look at what he does well and he does still need to improve on certain aspects of his game. He seems to be a really, really streaky putter, at least especially in the big events when you look at.


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[Assistant] How he just didn't deliver. He's another one of those players that you would expect to play well in a major championship. You would probably pick him going into one of them. And then he always seemed to disappoint. I have to say that after he won the match play, I was at the match play. He beats Rory McIlroy.


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[Assistant] I thought big things were in store. I figured he was going to take that next step. He is the type of athlete on the PGA tour that just seems touched by God that he has all of those tools and he just hasn't been able to put it together. I think two, two things are going to come into play. One, I think he is becoming a more refined player around the green.


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[Assistant] And that's going to be, can he take that Victor Hovland Hovland step? Can he turn what is a weakness into at least if not a strength, then something that he's not giving away strokes to the field. The other half of this is I think he's going to be more mature. I think at this point in his career.


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[Assistant] He's probably sat in a lot, Scottie Scheffler, who's a good friend, have all of the success, get to number one in the world, win major championships. And my guess, that's just going to drive him. So I would think he'd be a player that would take that next step.


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[Assistant] I like that and I knew that you were going to pick him, so that's why you usually get those sweetheart highs and fall in love with the next hot thing pretty quickly. So I didn't want to get close to him, but certainly what he did at the Ryder Cup and it was at the RSM talking with him about what he learned from that experience. I don't think you can dismiss that idea. I don't think you can.


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[Assistant] I don't think you can quantify how important that's going to be in his career path, because I mean, we've said it before, there's nothing that compares.


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[Assistant] To a match at a Ryder Cup, the only thing that can do it is being in contention on Sunday at a major. Now you put that in, you put that into practice.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with Akshay Bhatia. Sorry. Nope. Akshay. Akshay. Bhatia. That's what I said.


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[Assistant] Why are you correcting me here? Yeah, I don't know why. Uh, won the bear- won the barracuda.


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[Assistant] That was impressive, but then I liked what he did to close out the fall. I think he played his last seven or eight events and made the cut in all of them. Wasn't really in contention, but I liked the progression that he made. Now here's a player who probably three years ago, that was one of those players that you probably would have fallen in love with coming into the program.


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[Assistant] Yes, and I think he took a little bit more seasoning.


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[Assistant] Then a player like Ludwig and I think that's probably the more common career path for players even despite regardless of how much.


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[Assistant] Talent they might have coming up so we had to go to the coin fairy tour had to earn his car to come a minute a minute but what you i think we see now not the finished product but certainly the refined product versus what he was.


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[Assistant] Coming out of school and again all these players seem to fall in the same category for me because I was just looking at his stats and again great ball striker 30th off the tee and strokes game 37th approach to the green totals tee to green 34th he's outside the top 100 by a long shot.


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[Assistant] And strokes game around the green and strokes game putting another player that if he finds a way, and this goes back to the Victor Hovland conversation, that if you can just find a way not to give away strokes.


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[Assistant] Don't make it your strength. You're not going to turn into Brad Faxon suddenly on the greens after being 183rd on the PGA Tour in putting one season, but you can get that number closer to zero, which is exactly what Victor Hovland did. He's a hundredth this season in strokes game putting, but he's also.


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[Assistant] On the ballot for player of the year. So it shows you, you don't need to have huge gains. You just need to find a way not to give away strokes in that particular area because the other areas.


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[Assistant] I think he's the type of player that the more and more he becomes comfortable. You pointed out with Ludwig, I think it's, we can't ignore the idea that he's seeing the courses for the second time. He's more comfortable around. And it sounds simple.


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[Assistant] You know where to go to get your rental car. You know where the locker room is. You might even recognize the attendant in there. You know how to get to the range. You know where the practice area is. All of these things are important. I think that will only help.


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[Assistant] And you look at what his brother did. I mean, his brother's a perfect comp and they're very, very close, obviously. And Matt transformed himself at least when it comes to length off the tee. I mean, that's a really well, well,


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[Assistant] Well, well told story throughout the years where he was probably very much middle of the pack. You pointed out Jordan Spieth. That's probably a really good comp. In this case though, he forced himself into that upper third and that's probably what made the difference between him being a good player and him being a guy that wins major championships and stars on Ryder Cup teams.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're not gonna like this, so I'm just gonna throw it out there right now. And as I pointed out at the beginning of the podcast, I did seem to touch on Morikawa. I was not afraid to call out a player that I thought was going to regress a little bit. I'm not going with a player this year, I'm going with an institution, and it's gonna be the International President's Cup team, again, because they always- An institution! We're going with-


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[Assistant] You're gonna call it the coward's way out. I'm going to say that I'm tired of going to these events and them being blowouts and I'd like to be able to go there.


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[Assistant] And to believe everything that I've written and everything that the captain's, Trevill Emelman was an amazing captain. I don't think he left any stone unturned trying to find a way to make this some sort of a close match. And I think the argument we've had in the past was there was about 30 minutes.


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[Assistant] During that last president's cup on Sunday, when you were kind of like, well, it could go the other way. I think that's being a little generous. There was probably closer to 15 or 20 minutes to be honest with you. I'm just tired and I'm sure the players are tired too. And I don't believe.


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[Assistant] That the American side is that much better than the international side. I think on paper, this should be such a closer match and it is not, and I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I understand why.


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[Assistant] Dates on the calendar that you look forward to, like we do the Ryder Cup. There's no reason.


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[Assistant] And I will say, you were going to call me out, uh, and so call me a coward because I didn't pick a player and I actually did jot down a player that I was thinking about. And this has really nothing to do with how much talent he has. He clearly has a lot of talent. He's clearly driven. I'm more worried about how he holds up physically and that's Will Zellotaurus.


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[Assistant] He came back off a long layoff and I'm just, this has nothing to do with what he's capable of doing. Again, talent wise, we all saw what he could do before he got hurt.


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[Assistant] And you'd like to think that after having the surgery, coming back, certainly it was good to see him again at the hero world challenge. Cause he's one of the most engaging young players on the PGA tour. No one.


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[Assistant] Would want to see Will Zalatoros have a successful year more than me. I'm just worried. Having a surgery at that age.


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[Assistant] And with this sport and having to change your swing up, I just, I get a little squeamish when it comes to that one.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that was Rust. I can dismiss, I mean, the hero world challenge. I mean, it's, it's, it's, you know, not the most serious of competition. So I can dismiss that one. Again, this goes back to the idea that anytime you have a player that young that had to have that particular surgery, I think it's just a red flag.


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[Assistant] You're not wrong. I mean, I will agree with all of those things. I'm just shocked to hear it come out of your mouth because no one has been.


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[Assistant] I mean, good for you. Journalistically, you've taken, uh, that's a big step for you. Congratulations. Who's the other name that's on your list?


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[Assistant] I think there's something to be said for it. Look, I'm not going to point out Brooks. I think Brooks had a unbelievable season. You also kind of gloss over the fact he won twice on live golf. He finished runner up at the Masters. Again, I go back to my argument. I feel like he should have been on the ballot for the GWA player of the year.


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[Assistant] But I think there is something to the idea that once players get on Lib, that they seem to get really, really comfortable and I'll use Dustin Johnson.


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[Assistant] As the example, I think we can all agree Dustin Johnson is very much still a top 10 player in the world, but every time he gets an opportunity, well, I think talent wise, I would, I would argue that he is still a top 10 player in the world, but every opportunity that he had this year, which was only the four majors, he really was disappointing. And I'm not saying he didn't play well on live.


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[Assistant] I didn't even play well on live. And so I think there is something to be said for the idea that you can get very, very comfortable on that league. I've spoken with players on live who point out that the lifestyle is good. You're getting paid a lot of money. It's 54 whole events. It's only 14 events. So there's a lot of things to like about it. And I.


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[Assistant] I think it's very, very easy if you're not careful to lose that edge. And I think that's what you're trying to ascribe to Brooks. I'm not sure I agree with you, but I get where you're coming from.


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[Assistant] It's clearly not the president's cup. I, like you, am looking forward to going back to Montreal for a president's cup because you're right. It's a beautiful city with a lot of really good food. I just don't expect much from the actual competition. Again, I'd like to. Like no one wants it to be a close match more than me, but.


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[Assistant] I don't think that's going to happen. Mine was easy. The US opened at Pinehurst.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think that's the US version of St. Andrews because when you go to the little town and the golf course is so iconic.


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[Assistant] And I think what they did to it when they sort of tinkered around the edges and made it a little bit more linksy, I think only made it a better course and it just has


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[Assistant] It's not St. Andrews because you can't replicate that, but I do think it's as close as we get on the US side. And also like, it produces pretty good champions more times than not. Payne Stewart, Martin Keimer. Martin Keimer, one by eight.


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[Assistant] Uh, well yeaah, but Martin Comer was a dominant player, if you remember at that time. He won the Players Championship just a few, few months, I guess, before that. So, number two on that list though, it's a 1A and 1B for me, because I would argue that Rural Troon.


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[Assistant] Is probably the most underappreciated golf course in the open.


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[Assistant] Rotation, I was thinking about that this morning, like St. Andrews, it sort of has the history and everything that goes along to it. There's something special about going back to that place essentially every five years. I think I would argue the mirror field is probably the course most players will tell you is the best in the rotation and after playing it for the first time.


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[Assistant] This year, I can't argue with that and I think Liverpool is a really, really cool course when it plays like it did this year when it's hard and fast and brown and bouncy. But I think, and it probably is because I played Trune the most out of all the Open Rotation courses. Humble brag.


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[Assistant] But I think it's like you can't appreciate how cool it is until you take it actually a couple laps and you start seeing the angles and you start seeing.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with the premise. We won't know, I guess, from, so I don't know how that makes it exciting if we're just assuming that the dinner is icy and no one's talking to each other. And also, that's four months away.


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[Assistant] And who knows, I mean, we're going to live in a different world in four months is my guess. Like however these negotiations pan out, there's the very real possibility that.


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[Assistant] They could all be under one umbrella at that point. So I'm not quite sure how the hard feelings stack up then when you're all technically on the same team and you're.


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[Assistant] Not shy and I think we have something to say, but I, this goes back to this year's masters. And I think you and I both said it, if they liked you before you went to live golf, they, they like you now. Like we all saw DJ walking up and down the range. I mean, he was hugging guys. I'm sure they were more than happy to have him back at that dinner because he's DJ. No, Phil's not welcome back. They didn't particularly like Phil.


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[Assistant] Before he left to go to lift off. I don't know how Ram is going to fall into that. Certainly the timing.


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[Assistant] Is going to be difficult. I got the impression from Tiger Woods at the PNC championship that he certainly was not pleased with the timing of John's decision. Like I'm sure he wasn't pleased with the decision, but even the timing was worse. So yeah, I could see it be icy, but by that time.


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[Assistant] We could be, I'll be under the PGA tour slash European slash live golf umbrella.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. Today, we have a special guest. Rex and I are all talked out.


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[Assistant] After a very busy year in the world of golf, he's been talked about on this podcast innumerable times, but because we are selfish and because we are possessive, we have never actually had him


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[Assistant] As part of a three-man weave, he is Todd Lewis. Tlou, thanks for joining us. How are you?


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[Assistant] That's good. Yeah, we don't, we don't want golf central Todd. We want unbuttoned Todd. We want lunchroom Todd. We want three martinis deep Todd.


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[Assistant] We'll actually see how we go. Uh, we, we're gonna try not to, we're gonna try not to interrupt each other too often. We actually do that enough for just the two of us. It angers the folks in the YouTube comment section, uh, to no end, but we do hope that this is kind of an interesting look.


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[Assistant] Uh, behind the scenes, what we do, why we do it, some of our most memorable moments from the road. Uh, so T. Lou, I'll start, I'll start with this. How would you describe your reporting year, uh, in one word?


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[Assistant] In my opinion, very underrated interview. He has his reputation.


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[Assistant] It's kind of like the slow southerner, you know, the, the, the British media had a field day with him at the open.


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[Assistant] Basically thinking he was just some redneck. Like, he's got thoughts. He's, I find him very introspective. I find him very thoughtful. Uh, what have been your interactions over the course of your career without reigning Open Champion?


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[Assistant] I mean, preferably it would be the Grady School of Journalism, then it'd be the Terry School of Business, and then whatever else. I mean, it's basically just a sheet of paper at that point.


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[Assistant] Initial question, for me this was an easy one, it was my interview.


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[Assistant] With sam bennett that premiered on live from the masters is actually kind of a funny story we wanted to do this. In twenty twenty two leading in.


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[Assistant] To uh, the NCAA championship in 2022.


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[Assistant] We had, uh, blocked out time with Sam Bennett. We booked flights to, uh, College Station.


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[Assistant] Uh, well he was going to school at Texas A&M and then two weeks before...


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[Assistant] We were supposed to leave for that interview shoot. He texted me and said, nah man, I think I'm good. Uh, I don't want, I don't want to share my story anymore. I think it's already out there enough. We were kind of taken aback, a little bit pissed off to be honest with you. And as fate would have it, Sam Bennett in the summer of 2022 went on to win the US amateur.


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[Assistant] And elevated his profile even more. And so at the end of 2022, circle back again.


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[Assistant] And said, we'd really like to do this story, uh, we believe your story and your narrative arc has changed. And...


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[Assistant] We told him that his feature story would now run on Live from the Masters, and as you know, T. Lou, that's the biggest showcase that we have on our network, and it was slated to run on Wednesday night. And this is the kind of story that you'd think just runs once and probably never again, right?


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[Assistant] The reigning U.S. Amateur Champion, he gets, he gets to play the Masters. It's a cute little story. Uh, he'll get, he'll get into the U.S. Open as well and then he kind of goes on his way. Uh, instead he played his way into the penultimate group.


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[Assistant] On the weekend, it was a very heartwarming story, a story of triumph, a story of perseverance. His mom was great in it, so that was the most personally rewarding and satisfying work that I did.


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[Assistant] In your initial comments, Thiele, you mentioned, uh, how chaotic


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[Assistant] The year was, uh, Rex, you used the word panicky and it all revolves around what happened on June 6th. Just curious from like a reporter perspective, like what'd you, what'd you do that day? Like what was your day like? Take me, take me from the start.


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[Assistant] You're probably gonna send like this cheesy tweet out that said, you know, thanks for the opportunity to play. What a great layout. The course was so well conditioned. Thanks to my friends. We'll see you next time. Right.


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[Assistant] How many, how many calls, how many calls did you make that day, T-LU? Oh gosh, I haven't...


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[Assistant] I think we can all agree that was arguably the most chaotic day in our golf channel.


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[Assistant] 10 years, maybe were you with golf sale during the hydrant, the hydrant episode tiger?


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[Assistant] What would you put that day on par with?


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[Assistant] You as a reporter, this is, I've, I've got to say too, this is a tumultuous time to be a golf reporter. Credibility.


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[Assistant] Reputations are seemingly under fire at all times.


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[Assistant] People have accused golf channel analysts, commentators, reporters of being propagandists.


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[Assistant] For the PJ tour, they've accused us of being in the bag.


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[Assistant] The PJ tour, they've accused us of hating live simply because it threatens our livelihood. What would be your response to that as an impartial career journalist?


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[Assistant] Then like for you, as the story has progressed, I mean, it obviously continues to dominate the news cycle. There's more news that's coming out here in the month of December. The rumor mill.


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[Assistant] Never stops churning. It seemed like we took like a six month reprieve.


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[Assistant] Right from like the rumor mill really heating up and now, uh, it's an overdrive as it tends to be with all matters related to the tour and live golf. So as the story's progressed, how has your reporting sort of changed as well?


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[Assistant] I remember Rex saying at the 2022 Open Championship at St. Angeles, I don't believe anything until I get a press release in my inbox confirming it.


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[Assistant] You hear so much nonsense, you hear so many rumors, there's so much innuendo, uh, there's so many leveraged ploys on both sides that like, yea, you basically just wait for official confirmation and then you go from there, rex, you're back on, you had some internet issues.


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[Assistant] Welcome back. This is a terrible angle. Not going to lie. Servicing our, our, our YouTube viewers. What do you have to add to this?


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[Assistant] You asked so many great questions that you literally can't think of a bad one. No player ripped your head off. Uh, there was no awkward silence on television. I find that incredibly hard to believe.


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[Assistant] Give me time. So I actually don't even think it was a bad question.


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[Assistant] Um, it was to Brooks Koepka. So there was the restart of the third round on Sunday morning of the Masters, right?


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[Assistant] And brooks capka had i believe a four shot lead.


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[Assistant] When play was suspended on Saturday, and when he came out on Sunday, he was a little bit flat, made a couple mistakes, uh, John Rahm, uh, was starting his charge and obviously we know how that ended, uh, in the final round, but,


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[Assistant] Over the course of resumption play on Sunday morning, Brooks Kepka's lead was cut from four shots.


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[Assistant] To two shots. And so if you look at the transcript, I actually had to go back to make sure I asked it as succinct as I remembered that I did. And the question was, your advantage got halved. How do you feel coming off? That, I mean, is that not a fair question to you?


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[Assistant] His, his lead when he teed off on Sunday morning was four shots.


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[Assistant] When he finished his round, the completion of the third round, it was two shots and he, he bit my head off.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think it's pretty obvious. I think half of, half of four is two. And so he goes, half, what do you mean halved? I started yesterday at two. I'm just spitting facts to you. I don't know what else to say. I'm in the same spot. Nope. I said, nope, nope. From the restart, you started at four and now you're up by two. And he goes, yeah, I'm fine with two. Ended up shooting what? 75 in the final round. That was certainly an awkward start to the day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, do you think that would probably instigate it?


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[Assistant] I mean, I mean, according, according to the transcript, I didn't, there wasn't a nope, nope, nope. Uh, you got that wrong. It said simply from the restart.


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[Assistant] Tone setter. I still maintain that that was a very fair and actually a good question. Uh, Brooks clearly disagreed and that set the tone for what was a disappointing.


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[Assistant] There's a, it's a personal accountability issue. Correct. And I, I just invoked Brooks Koepka and I think like Brooks Koepka is the perfect modern example of that. He never ducks it.


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[Assistant] He may not be a great interview after he shoots 74.


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[Assistant] Or 75. I mean, he did, he went into the, uh, the media building.


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[Assistant] At the Masters after losing, and I thought was pretty good, but he never ducks ya, he never dodges ya, he never hides behind his agent, uh, regardless of what he shoots.


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[Assistant] He goes and finds it, it's certainly a culture I think of the modern player for these guys to be insulated by their teams to hide behind them.


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[Assistant] And basically just portray an image when things...


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[Assistant] Are going well and i tend to have more respect for players who.


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[Assistant] Who understand that that's not an accurate representation of who you are as a professional athlete.


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[Assistant] Go, go, yeah. I, I was just, just to, just to, like, there's this, there's this false image that fans will only like you if you're viewed as a winner. Right? Tiger was 82-time PJ Tour winner, 15-time major champion,


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[Assistant] The arguably the most dominant athlete we've ever seen. And that's what they think is popular. And yet I would maintain.


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[Assistant] That a lot of Rory McElroy's popularity, a lot of Jordan Spieth's popularity stems from the fact that these guys have shown their frailties, have shown their humanity, uh, and have shown that


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[Assistant] Through obstacles, through adversity, they can still be stand-up professionals as well and not necessarily, uh, duck from any sort of scrutiny.


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[Assistant] Of personal responsibility and accountability. I think he's noticed over the years that Tiger, as you mentioned, you can probably count on... I mean...


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[Assistant] Well, I'm talking, I'm talking post, I'm talking post-round.


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[Assistant] Right, accountability. It's probably between 10 and 20 times in Tiger's career.


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[Assistant] That he has not talked. And it's typically because he either WD or was in so much excruciating pain that he needed to go seek treatment immediately. Like I talked to JT after he shot like what, 81 or 82?


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[Assistant] This year at the U.S. Open, like that could have been a situation where a player bites your head off when you say, hey man, do you got a couple minutes just to chat? Nope. What do you, what do you guys got for me? And it was, it was three minutes and we sent him on his way. And I think it was illuminating.


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[Assistant] For readers, listeners, viewers, to see what a guy is going through when things are not going well.


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[Assistant] Right. As opposed to he just shoots a 63 at Firestone and blows away guys.


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[Assistant] Golf channel legal expert Rex Hoggard who has literally zero legal background.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's the danger of Twitter. Uh, I looked yesterday. I've not tweeted since October 1st, uh, and without a blue check mark since they took it away from me. I'm no longer motivated to do so.


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[Assistant] I have, I have a team that's pumping out any social content for me. Rex and I did start a TikTok, I don't know if you're familiar with that, uh, at GC Rex and Lav, we're up to 10 followers, uh, although we do have plenty of likes and the views.


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[Assistant] Section of this podcast, Teeloo. Uh, favorite stop.


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[Assistant] On the PJ tour schedule. You can take that, whatever you mean. This could mean you're free golf. This could mean the best food. This could be the best people watching.


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[Assistant] Some of us, some of our departments, Tilo have budget cuts. Some of us.


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[Assistant] The thing is, nobody on this podcast, actually had to pay their own way.


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[Assistant] To go to Maui on vacation. They don't get to do a little bookend trip.


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[Assistant] Around New Year's, they don't stay for a couple extra days. And Honolulu, I know Rex isn't welcome there.


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[Assistant] Anymore after his Robert Allenby, uh, investigation went, went sour. Uh, I'm not sure if we can talk about that one. That was certainly one of the worst interviews other Rex has ever done. Uh, but, but our heart aches for you as, as we start mapping out our schedule for the John Deere's of the world and the Sanderson Farms of the world.


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[Assistant] That's not fair. You just talked about the coward, you just talked about the cowardly behavior of those on social media and now you're gonna back out.


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[Assistant] Yes, yes, true. This happens to be very close to you. Uh, I've got a couple, and this is just gonna sound like I'm dogging.


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[Assistant] I'm with you, like, I'll never cover Bay Hill again.


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[Assistant] Uh, for different reasons, uh, many of which, uh, you have also mentioned Zura Classic. Uh, I don't, I haven't covered that one in a while. We used to, I used to love that tournament. We used to have, uh, we, all three of us are on per diem now. We used to have what was called a reasonable dinner expense, which I found to be $85.


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[Assistant] Before the company would eventually send it back to me. And so covering the Zurich Classic from Monday to Monday with a reasonable dinner expense, uh, I've been to every great restaurant in New Orleans. I know like if I'm going to do a three day, two night trip in New Orleans, I know exactly where to go to maximize all my food options. But the actual tournament, the actual tournament is dreadful. The media center food is bad. TBC, Louisiana.


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[Assistant] Absolutely stinks. So I'm going with that one. I'm sure you guys have both covered the Waste Management Phoenix Open.


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[Assistant] Uh, our media center is in like this cart barn underneath the clubhouse. Uh, it can get a little, uh, moist in there, uh, which is not great. Yes.


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[Assistant] They say it's a dry heat, uh, but I promise you the car barn very much is not. And the actual, the actual scene out on the golf course is, is just.


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[Assistant] Absolute mayhem, but it's only concentrated in like four holes. The rest of it is a ghost town, but in those four holes, it's just not my scene personally. Like there's people doing cocaine in the bathrooms.


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[Assistant] Uh, ever again. It's like, I think it would be great to go as a fan, as a media member, especially during the Super Bowl. Uh, no, uh, I can find myself.


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[Assistant] I mean, I drove, I drove past the Ritz. It looks great. I just actually haven't covered.


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[Assistant] A golf tournament there. Mama's Fish House. Shout out Mama's Fish House. Absolutely delicious. TLU as you look ahead to 2024.


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[Assistant] You're not going to the Olympics. Rex is doing your job for you that week. But what else are you looking forward to doing in the new year?


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[Assistant] I don't see an international victory in 2024. As much as I just dogged Rex on the New Orleans food and the media center, I'm looking forward to the President's Cup.


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[Assistant] As well, I know we no longer have the reasonable dinner expense, but we do have per diem. We're going to be stockpiling our per diem. Montreal is quite possibly the best food city.


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[Assistant] In the world, uh, wife and I did a trip there last year. I know exactly where we're going is incredibly expensive, uh, but arguably the best two meals I've ever had.


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[Assistant] We're in Montreal. Uh, T. Lou, feel free to join us.


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[Assistant] You're welcome. Uh, is there anything else you want to get to Rex? You and I will be doing our own.


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[Assistant] Personal favorites and look ahead to 2024, so it won't bog down the viewers. Uh, with that, but any other memorable moments from the year T-LU that you want to share before we get you on your shuttle?


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[Assistant] We're talking about the boops on the forearm. We're talking about the bops on the knee. We're talking about boops and bops. You always touch the athlete before you send them on their way.


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[Assistant] Any like, Freudian slips, Tilo? Oh yeaah. From me?


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[Assistant] Or anyone. No, not you. Not you. Those are always fun. Yeah, obviously you always had a perfect interview. Uh, we already established that. Perfect. Touching, massaging.


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[Assistant] I had to get that sorted out. Teelu, thank you for joining us. No, you have to catch a shuttle. Appreciate your insights. Appreciate your friendship. Look forward to doing it again.


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[Assistant] In the new year with you, uh, thank you guys for listening. Hope you enjoyed this sneak behind the scenes with the one and only Todd Lewis on this golf channel podcast with Rex and Lab. Rex and I'll be back next week for more as we wrap up the year that was in 2023 and look ahead to the new year in golf, which promises to be as captivating as ever.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome to this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. Well, the teams are set.


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[Assistant] Team Europe, Captain Luke Donald made his squad's six wild-car picks on Labor Day Monday. Those six guys, Tommy Fleetwood, Justin Rose, Shane Lowry, Sepp Strocka, Nikolai Hogard, and yes, one Ludwig


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[Assistant] Uh, iTunes commenter pointed out, uh, but I do think there is a little bit to chew on with these six captains picked, wouldn't you agree?


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[Assistant] I mean, there's no, yeaah, there's no silver linings when it comes to the Ryder Cup. If you've got one of the most stacked American teams ever and you're trying to win for the first time in three decades overseas, yeaah, I think victory is the only acceptable, uh, form or result that you're actually looking for.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think, yeah, I think, I think most of times, I mean, I still would still quibble with the fact that we don't have 12 teams. I don't know why we're not getting the draft order until an hour ahead of time. You can just go on Google and do a random draft, uh, generator. Uh, I don't know why we wouldn't do an auction draft, but these are all besides the point, uh, two wide receiver slots. Look, we can go.


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[Assistant] And we'll talk about this later on in the podcast. As it pertains to last week's episode, you and I do not read.


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[Assistant] Keegan Bradley deserved to be on that team. Justin Thomas did not deserve to be on the Ryder Cup team. I think in hindsight, we're conflating


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[Assistant] The fact that the Ryder Cup is not supposed to be an all-star team. It's not a Pro Bowl squad. It's not an all NBA team. This is not the players who are the most deserving to be on the team.


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[Assistant] This is Zach Johnson's opinion of the 12 best Americans to do the job, and that is to go over. And when, if he was just going the 12 best players,


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[Assistant] And clearly, Keegan Bradley was not the missing piece. And that, according to the captains, according to the vice captains, according to the players on that team, JT fits a piece, being the heart and soul of that squad, that no one else could bring him. And I think that's, I think that's where people are getting confused. Like, it's, this isn't voted on by


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[Assistant] You know, the Associated Press writers around the country. It's not voted on by, by fans. It's not voted on by coaches and GMs. Like, this is the captain's, this is the captain's team, and these are 12 best Americans that he wanted, not necessarily 12 most deserving players.


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[Assistant] Look, Shane does not have a top 10 anywhere in the world since February. He was clearly out of form. You mentioned the slide in the world rankings. You mentioned the slide in, uh, his...


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[Assistant] In fact, he did participate in the Fettest Cup playoffs. I actually don't think...


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[Assistant] The last pick was down to a Lowry or a Maronk. I think for reasons outside of current form, just like JT, Lowry is going to be on that team even though he has limited Ryder Cup appearances. The only one he's played in was Whistling Straits two years ago. I think it was between Nikolai Hogard


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[Assistant] And Adrian Moranque as that final pick. Very similar profile. I mean, Hogard is younger, obviously. He's 22. He has two European tour wins. But just like Moranque, he has a great history at Marco Simone. Nikolai Hogard won there in 2021.


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[Assistant] Agent Maronk, this is, this is a different, this is a difficult one. We're going to get into it, uh, with a golf today hit that we're doing on Wednesday. Agent Maronk had three national open wins in the past year and a half, but he hasn't seized the moment this summer.


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[Assistant] I think after he wanted Marco Simoni earlier this spring, it seemed like a slam dunk that he was going to be on that team. And yet he has just a single top 10.


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[Assistant] Over the summer. Ludwig Aberg was a player who came out of college out of Texas Tech with a lot of hype and then he justified it both in the PGA Tour and then his past two starts going fourth and then he won the European Masters last week to get his spot on the team. He seized the moment when Adrian Moranque just couldn't quite deliver, he couldn't quite leapfrog


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[Assistant] Bob McIntyre, he actually finished sixth on the points list, even behind Yannick Paul. And so he, he was just...


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[Assistant] He was just a start or two shy. I, I do feel poorly for him because obviously he played phenomenally well. Uh, it was clearly the 13th man. If, you know, if there is an injury that you would think he would get called up to the squad over the next couple of weeks, but he just didn't quite do enough this summer to, to, to warn a spot. And so I think, I think he was justified in picking, in picking Nikolai Hogarth.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's completely unprecedented. The fact that Ludwig Ebert has never played in a major championship and yet he's going to be playing in golf Superbowl likely, I would think alongside Roy McRoy.


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[Assistant] In those matches with the amount of tension that Roy is going to draw, especially after his performance two years ago at whistling straights where he ended up getting benched and he was crying.


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[Assistant] Uh, after Sunday's singles, like, there's gonna be so much focus on Rory as the clear leader of that squad, then you pair him with this uber-talented player. Uh, I think that's going to be fascinated to watch if it does come to fruition. I'm glad you mentioned, Rex, the guy that I've been high on, because if you go back to April 25th in our prospect draft,


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[Assistant] I did make a little bit of a prediction. Let's listen to that. Thanks Jason Gold for cutting this up for us. Here's a hot take. It would not actually surprise me if Ludwig Eber is on the 2023 European Ryder Cup team. I think when, I think when he turns pro- This year's Ryder Cup team.


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[Assistant] This one, the one that's being played in like five months.


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[Assistant] He will turn pro. He will turn pro in a month's time. I think he could go out there and rip off a win or two. Do you think Lou Donald knows who Ludwig Aberg is? If he's doing his job, he should know who Ludwig Aberg is, yes.


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[Assistant] It would not surprise me if Ludwig Eiberg is on that European Ryder Cup team. It's unlikely, but he has the talent.


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[Assistant] He has the pedigree that he could rip off a win or two once college is behind him and he can focus wholeheartedly on his pro game. I like Ludwig Aberg, thrilled to get him at number two.


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[Assistant] So, so Rex, my favorite part of that is, is, is two things. First, you saying quite literally, quote, we need to clip that. Well, fortunately,


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[Assistant] Thanks to Jason Gold and our video production team, we were able to do just that. And so I was able to dunk on you. Secondly, you questioned on April 25th, do you think Luke Donald knows who Ludwig Eber is? I answered that if he's doing his job.


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[Assistant] Yes he does. Yes he did. Played together in Detroit. Was wildly impressed. And then we all saw what he did. Finale on 64 to win the European Masters and get on that team. This is a player who's obviously talked about wildly in college in amateur golf and all he's done on the PGA Tour. I know the weekends, the weekends of the PGA Tour have not been great.


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[Assistant] But he flashed so much promise, so much potential. Had he had enough rounds to qualify, he would have been a top 20 ball striker on the pizza tour in courses he's never seen before in his life.


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[Assistant] It is, it's remarkable to think of how far we've been able to come in a player who does not have much of a pro pedigree now being thrust into this cauldron. It's amazing.


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[Assistant] It makes you sound, it makes you sound dismissive.


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[Assistant] I mean, it is unprecedented, there's no doubt about it, but he's that special of a player, and I knew there was going to be...


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[Assistant] Think about the dialogue we had at Whistling Straits, right? It was the worst dismantling in the history of the Ryder Cup. We thought Europe was toast for the next decade plus. I think that conversation has changed a lot.


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[Assistant] Over these, over these past two years, and I think it's largely because of these young players who have come in, like Ludwig Eiberg, like Victor Hovland, who's just turned 26 in a couple weeks time, like Nikolai Hogard, who's actually younger.


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[Assistant] Then Ludwig Eber, and he'll be making his Ryder Cup debut here. So I think I always knew there was going to be potential at that back end.


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[Assistant] For players to assert themselves, did I think honestly that it was going to be Ludwig Eber? Maybe. But.


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[Assistant] I think the situation was ripe for a player like him to step to the forefront.


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[Assistant] No, in fact, this was not even the clip in which you said, you know what bothers me? This is a direct quote. You know what bothers me about him? He doesn't win enough. In his career, he's won four times in college. That's not enough for me. Sorry.


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[Assistant] All he did, Rex, after we recorded that, and again, we recorded that on April 25th, he won the big 12th, he won regionals, uh, he got the number one spot in PJ Tour U, and then...


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[Assistant] Yes, at the time he had four victories and you said he has not won enough. Apparently he was listening because it spurred him on to unprecedented heights. Now he's at the top 100 in the world ranking.


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[Assistant] And a part of the European Ryder Cup team. Rex, I am, I am curious, now that the teams are completely finalized, has anything changed or...


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[Assistant] You know, when you look at the entire complexion now of the European team, do you have more questions about them than the Americans? Do you, do you still feel like they're an incredibly dangerous underdog as I happen to believe? What are your, what are your thoughts now that the team's completely finalized?


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[Assistant] I think there are way more question marks when it comes to the European side. And it's, it's obvious at this point that Europe has to run


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[Assistant] Uh, Radikov record is not good. I don't think he's even won a match. Not good? Fully. Yeah, poor. That's kind. Not good is kind. Okay. Poorly, but he has certainly come on in the last couple of weeks, uh, playing once again, uh, next week at the BMW PGA, nearly won the European Masters, uh, played, played fine during the FedEx Cup playoffs as well. And so like,


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[Assistant] All those guys that I just mentioned are going to have to play five matches. They're going to have to play exceedingly well. They're going to have to have winning records. They, they, they need their dogs to go four and one. Quite simply because Sepp Strache, he could go out there.


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[Assistant] And play phenomenally well, as we saw him do with the John Yard Classic, as we saw him do with the Open Championship, as we saw him do at times at Eastlake where he could be the player.


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[Assistant] Uh, who appeared listless for much of 2023 Bobby Mack when it comes to data golf, which is a different ranking system, the official world golf ranking, like he is by far.


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[Assistant] He's the biggest weakness on either squad. He's 129th.


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[Assistant] Ludwig is a complete unknown. Hogard, a complete unknown. Lowry, we've talked about his form. Justin Rose.


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[Assistant] You know, getting up there as an elder statesman on the team hat and could blow a gasket like there, there are so many unknowns and that's not to say.


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[Assistant] The Americans are sure thing either. Like who's going to putt for Scottish Scheffler? What are Wyndham Clark and Brian Harmon, both major champions in 2023? What are they going to do when they're playing in their first Ryder Cup team? Who's going to swing the club for JT?


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[Assistant] He's gonna be fine. Great pick. Loved it. Fine, he says. Great, great, great locker room presence. Uh, I, I, but like the Europe, the European side, I could, I could actually see it going two ways. Like I could see them being absolutely dominant behind the Roys, the Roms and the Hovelins and the, and the Fleetwoods.


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[Assistant] And the Fitzpatrick's, like, just blowing the Americans out of the water.


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[Assistant] And using the home course advantage and winning, you know, convincingly 345 points, or I could see.


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[Assistant] The big dogs kind of crumbling on the weight of expectation and the pressure and the Americans. I know it wouldn't technically be an upset according to the odds makers, but.


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[Assistant] Look, they haven't done it in 30 years, like you still have to do it. So it wouldn't surprise me at all. But now, now seeing like the full 12 there, I think, I think Luke Donald has to be really


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[Assistant] Really calculated with his pairings and how much certain players play. I think, I think it's gonna be very interesting.


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[Assistant] This is the, this is the greatest event. It's not my favorite event to cover. Uh, you know, it's, it's condensed. There's a lot of people.


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[Assistant] You don't, you don't get, you don't get players by themselves. Like I think, I think it's difficult.


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[Assistant] Cover the Masters is difficult for its own reason. For some reason, the Open Championship.


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[Assistant] And some of the obstacles the RNA presents is difficult to cover as well. But this is, this is the greatest event because as soon as the Roticub ends, then you have like at least a couple of weeks.


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[Assistant] A fallout. Next year you can start projecting like who's going to be on the squad at Beth Plays Black. We've been talking about the Ryder Cup on this podcast for the last several months. We still have four weeks to go before a ball is actually


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[Assistant] Uh, in the air in Rome, it's just, it's, it's, it's ratings gold. It's content gold. I can't get enough of it. Even the masters.


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[Assistant] Which I think a lot of people perceive as like the pinnacle of the sport. It does not provide the preview.


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[Assistant] And post-game content, well, the Radikab does. We are eternally grateful because it is a fantastic event.


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[Assistant] Bryson, remember Whistling Straits, Drive of the First Green, kind of had a redemptive year, or excuse me, a redemptive week after what was a very contemptuous year, uh, for


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[Assistant] Is being, uh, redone. What's the latest as we stand here, September 5th and football season just two days, two days away.


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[Assistant] John, for the love of God, if you're listening to this podcast, while you're resurfacing this pool, we end every single podcast.


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[Assistant] in the yard. He cannot go during the storm during the storm. He can't use his grills. Football season is upon us. We're actually launching a new


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[Assistant] Can we talk about this? I thought this was still in development. It's gonna be called Fall Ball. We'll be talking a little bit of golf because yes there's still 6 PG Tour events following the Ryder Cup but we'll be getting into everything else we'd like to talk about. Grilling, football,


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[Assistant] Fancy football. A sort of nonsense. It'll be a mini-pod. It'll be 15-20 minutes. We'll be doing them in our respective outdoor kitchens. And John, I kinda need you to wrap this up.


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[Assistant] It's been three weeks, need ya. Rex is paying you good money, presumably, to finish this. And this is, we're the content business.


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[Assistant] Any of this content. So please do it. So I can't even ask you, Rex, for the first week of the NFL season, our fancy football draft.


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[Assistant] Is on Wednesday, despite having just two wide receiver slots, which is insane. Uhm, do you have anything on the grill for the first week of the NFL season?


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[Assistant] Uh, you really can. It cooks quickly. Uh, most important advice I always give on skirt steak. A. Marinade and B. You have to cut across the grain or that will taste like shoe leather. About 30 seconds after you cut it. Cut across the grain. Very, very. Not with the grain.


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[Assistant] Cross the grain. There you go. Make sure those beef fibers are nice and tender. Uh, Wednesday is typically pickable.


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[Assistant] Night for me, so I'm gonna have to do, I'm gonna have to be a little bit creative.


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[Assistant] Uh, when it comes to draft, when it comes to pickleball, when it comes to making dinner, we will be opening up the outdoor kitchen for the Thursday night Chiefs Lions game. I have a couple players. I'm on Raw. St. Brown needs you to go hard for me on Thursday night. Uh, and then Rex, uh, my daughter's birthday.


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[Assistant] Is on Saturday, so we're having a disco party. She's two years old, absolutely loves to dance, so we're having a disco party at the house. And then Saturday, this is actually golf theme.


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[Assistant] We're doing, on her actual birthday, she doesn't know this because she doesn't have an internal calendar, of course. We are doing a Nakatee pub crawl.


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[Assistant] You've been to Nakatee, there's about 10 bars or restaurants, all within golf cart driving distance. You can walk to them if things get a little bit too sloppy. I'm not sure if you've ever seen this, but we have a little bit of inspiration from what we saw at a bar. And so you're going to be wearing like a scorecard.


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[Assistant] So like a trailer park, which is down the street. I think you and I actually went there for a drink previously. That'll be like a par four, which is a mixed drink. A par five is a shot. A par three is a bar, is a beer or a seltzer. So each bar in the area is designated that par. You can do whatever you want.


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[Assistant] If you wanna, if you wanna make an eagle, you can take two shots. If you wanna, uh, get a hole in one, uh, you can shotgun a beer, whatever the case may be. It is going to be insanely sloppy on Saturday, then of course culminating with the Alabama Texas game.


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[Assistant] Live on ESPN, Ricky Johnson, your friend and mine is a huge Bama guy. And so hopefully we'll be at a state where we can actually watch it. If not, I will be reporting back next week with what I actually shot.


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[Assistant] During this seven years golf course, if you vomit, if you vomit.


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[Assistant] No, it's a plus 10. It's going to be tough to recover from that.


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[Assistant] Uh, we do have a lot of, we do have a lot of females in this traveling pack. I think we have like 20, 25 people coming. Uh, about half of them obviously are females because it is part of a family. Uh, I'm hoping that there's a lot of WDs, a lot of DQs. If you don't finish your drink, uh, it's like a double bogey.


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[Assistant] It's a whole, it's a whole rules situation. That's why I'm looking forward to that. And then on Sunday we're just going to be laying on the couch because we'll be incapacitated.


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[Assistant] That's a, that's a, that's actually a great call. Pace yourself. You have, I'm assuming.


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[Assistant] I'm assuming you have to ask bunk who is a much more experienced drinker than you are. I'm assuming during these things you have to drink at least one glass of water per stop or you're just going to be.


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[Assistant] We'll be putting, we'll be putting in the bar to try and get strokes saved. I'm assuming something around two or three under is going to win. Like this is a classic US Open.


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[Assistant] Golf course where, you know, two or three under, we're trying to protect par here. It's definitely going to get a little, a little dicey, uh, if you, if you miss the fairway.


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[Assistant] Yep. Yep. Uh, bar call starts at three. Uh, we'll be taking pictures probably up until five or six o'clock. So happy to share those, uh, with you and anything else on snappy chat. Perhaps this is a visual medium. We'll see how it goes. Uh, and we'll keep you apprised.


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[Assistant] Of what my score is. Alright, that's gonna do it. For this edition, Golf Channel podcast with Rex and Lav. Just a reminder, go to golfchannel.com, excuse me, mbsports.com slash golf for all latest news, notes, features.


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[Assistant] Podcast, make sure you check out Rex and myself on golf today. We'll be debating Keegan Bradley, a German rock who had the bigger snub.


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[Assistant] When it comes to the Ryder Cup and stay tuned in a couple weeks time, Fall Ball presented by the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav.


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[Assistant] Coming to Spotify, wherever else you get your podcast. Coming soon.


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[Assistant] I think we talked about this probably a few months ago as the tour was talking about what the fall was going to become and what these events would turn into. Now that we've kind of got a little bit of that recipe, we see what guys are going to be fighting for this week. 125, top 60, 150, everything that goes into it. What are your thoughts on what the fall is now?


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[Assistant] Keep getting a little bit better every year. Now you talk about signature events, designated events going into next year. You've seen a lot of change over the course of your career. When you look at the landscape right now, going into next year, what's going on between the PGA Tour and live golf? What's your assessment when it comes to professional golf?


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[Assistant] You've been on both sides of that. I'm always curious, what was the difference between, from a team room perspective, from a capping, capping perspective, between the loss at the Ryder Cup and the win at the Ryder Cup? Like, define that for me.


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[Assistant] When you saw what happened on Saturday Night with Rory, like not getting into the specifics of what happened on the green, were you surprised at that emotion or did you look at that and think, yep, this is what this event does. It brings out the emotion in all of us.


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[Assistant] Now, this is a glorious scale, but if you're just Davis Love at home on a Saturday watching college football, what do you cook?


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[Assistant] You look at Southern Soul, it's gotten the awards, it's gotten the accolades, it's certainly gotten plenty of attention. Why is it, why is it special to you?


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[Assistant] My biggest takeaway, it's a process and you need to tinker. I'm not very good at that. So I need to keep trying, just like with my golf swing. The biggest thing is practice.


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[Assistant] You gotta practice. What did you put on the grill this past week? I did ribs. And I was actually very, very happy with ribs. But I didn't realize they were doing burnt ends. Because that's my favorite thing to do here. So I am gonna take a look at those in a second. Another tip is have a backup plan.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome to this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lab. Brian Harmon, pride of Savannah, Georgia. Proud Georgia Bulldog is a major champion. Tip of the cap. Dogs on top. Unmiserable. Wet.


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[Assistant] Over four players, including John Romney. The ninth player, Brian Harmon, is in the last 25 years to win by six or more strokes in a major. Bryson DeChambeau last did it. 2020 US Open. Rex?


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[Assistant] What are your thoughts after this major Sunday, the final major Sunday of 2023?


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[Assistant] 1700. I kept it, I kept it tight. Had a little bit of a distraction. Kid got sent to the ER. Everything's fine. Appreciate your, uh, tease and cheese.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but it is, it is interesting. Like, we never in a million years would have mentioned Brian Harmon.


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[Assistant] Uh, unlike our friend Mark Schlabop, another fellow Georgia Bulldog, uh, you, you maybe could have made the case for Brian Harmon coming off three straight top 12. We look at his open record. You look at the history of this golf course. I mean, it is literally only exalted some of the giants of the game.


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[Assistant] And yet you had the diminutive Brian Harmon, who didn't just stand the tallest, but like he towered.


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[Assistant] Over the rest of the field. By six shots, right? It's like you, you rarely see this sort of dominance, uh, it came out of nowhere. When you, when you look at his Sunday performance, we talked about it yesterday, uh, on this very podcast, we, we kinda thought,


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[Assistant] Exactly what was going to happen where he was going to have, you know, these nervy, these anxious moments early, maybe come back to the field and then would he rebound because you know, he was going to hit bad shots. The weather was certainly worse than I think you or I or anybody else anticipated. It rained the entire day. The wind didn't necessarily blow, but I mean it, it rained either lightly, moderately,


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[Assistant] Or heavily, like it was just an absolute slop out there. You're getting a lot of water between the club face and the ball shots were going any which manner and sure enough, just like on Saturday.


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[Assistant] In this position in six years had not won a golf tournament in more than six years. Uh, it came out of nowhere, but I think it's also really cool when you see.


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[Assistant] A player of Brian Harmon's ability kind of have the week of his life as well. I think that's something to be celebrated.


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[Assistant] Walter Hagen, Bobby Jones, Tiger Woods, Roy McElroy, Brian Harmon.


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[Assistant] One of these is not like the other dominant performances, all of them, uh, and this one was interesting because it was a week dominated by Roy Macron, who, we're certainly gonna get into Roy, that's who you wrote, uh, on Sunday for GolfChannel.com.


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[Assistant] This is one of the best positions, if not the best position he...


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[Assistant] Since his major drought started. He won last week in the Scottish Open in thrilling fashion. He played the majors so well, uh, over the past couple of months. Tons of confidence coming in here. Ends of having a, you know, another back door.


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[Assistant] We talked about him. We talked about Scottie Scheffler, who is having a dominant statistical season. The best ball striking we have seen out of a player since Tiger Woods in 2006. Like absolutely ridiculous levels of ball striking and he was a virtual


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[Assistant] Non-factor. You had a nice round on Sunday, shot 67, uh, but did not factor from the get-go. You had Brooks, you had Cam Smith, had Xander, you had Cantlay.


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[Assistant] You had Jordan Spieth. You had John Rahm. Uh, nowhere. He w- Brian Harmon, despite his current form, despite his open championship record, despite the level of play he had coming here, he- he wouldn't have been in your top 20.


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[Assistant] Oh, does it mean that Brian Harmon won this major championship by six shots? It is now a major champion at the age of 36. He's now going to be a U.S. Ryder Cupper for the very first time. He's up to 10th in the world ranking. What does it all mean?


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[Assistant] That's true. That's correct. Yep. He won twice. He was never a first team All-American. Second team. That's three times. That shocked me.


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[Assistant] He was the number one ranked amateur, but not the number one ranked college player.


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[Assistant] Sounds like you and I would have written the exact same game story on Sunday night and that's exactly what I wrote. I spoke of a journey that was validated, not by how.


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[Assistant] He's played recently and we just talked about the three top 12 finishes, certainly trending in the right direction. But basically what he'd done his entire career, like he was a, a hot shot.


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[Assistant] Rookie, number one ranked player in the country, uh, everyone wanted him. Was he cocky? Do you think he was cocky?


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[Assistant] He was, he was cocky. Yes, of course he was cocky. He even said there wasn't anybody that could beat me back then. I talked to Jake T. Poston, who's one of his closest friends, lives on Sea Island. He said he was one of the few players that as a junior player,


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[Assistant] Athens got him, uh, his head coach, uh, at the time with, with the Bulldogs, Chris Hack told me that he did college very well. Uh, he tried to incorporate a fade. He's, he's traditionally played a draw, as you can see watching any of the coverage over the past four days. Uh, he likes to play a draw that didn't go particularly well. And I think there was just.


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[Assistant] There's heightened pressure, heightened expectations when you're playing big time college golf. The fairways get narrower, the greens get firmer, there's more pressure, there's more anxiety, and he maybe didn't handle that the best. That's not to say that he was not a good player. That's kind of where I was going with this. He's always been


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[Assistant] An above average player. He was obviously exemplary as a junior, but he was a second team All-America in college. You know, after flaming out twice, uh, in the first round of Q school and kind of heading back to the mini tours, like he's, he's been on tour every year and kept his carb for 11 consecutive years.


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[Assistant] Yes, he's never taken that step to the next level. He's only twice been the tour championship. He has only those two wins against the weaker fields. His average FedEx Cup ranking is like 50th, but look.


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[Assistant] It's, it's hard to win on the PGA Tour. The game has changed in innumerable ways.


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[Assistant] Over the past 15 years, the game that came so easily to him is now dominated by players like Rory and John Rahm and Scottie Scheffler who are absolutely maulers.


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[Assistant] of the golf ball. There's less room for a Brian Harmon. He needs to be more exact. He needs to capitalize on some of his opportunities. And I think it's also a story Rex of how, how life can get in the way too. You know, when you go six plus years.


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[Assistant] Without a victory on the PGA tour, you begin to wonder if it's ever going to come. He has a wife now and three kids. He obviously has, has other interests besides golf, including hunting and fishing. And we're certainly going to get into that in a little bit. And so I think it's, I think it's really cool. This reminds me of Shane Lowry. This reminds me of Martin Kimer. One.


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[Assistant] One special shining moment for a player who has done a lot of the right things for a very long time and he gets to pay off in a way that has to be so satisfying for him.


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[Assistant] I mean, the weather was horrible. He went through four towels and 15 gloves throughout the final round. 15. 15. 15. He had 15 gloves dangling underneath his umbrella. And this was a very


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[Assistant] I wouldn't call it anti-harmonic crowd because I don't think it was anything to do with him in particular. I think they were just bored.


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[Assistant] He had snuffed all the drama out of this golf.


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[Assistant] I'm not even sure you know where I wanna go. I was so impressed that he drowned out


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[Assistant] All of the jeers, all of the quips, all of the criticisms, uhm, they were, they were making fun of his height. They were telling him to shank it. They were cheering, uh, they were rooting for his ball to go in the bunker. They were cheering when the, when the, when his, his putts didn't, you know, just kind of burn the edge and didn't go in. Like it, I don't think it actually had anything to do with Brian Harmon.


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[Assistant] I think they were just drunk and they were bored and they were wet and they were miserable and they just wanted some sort of action. It didn't come, it didn't matter if it came from John Rahm or Roy McRoy or Emiliano Grillo or Antoine Rosner. They literally just wanted to see something and this was essentially Georgia versus TCU in the first half where they just absolutely ran over them and then


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[Assistant] Just kind of bled the clock out in the second half. That's exactly what happened with Bryan Harmon's Open Championship. Will it go down, Rex, as one of the most memorable major championships ever? No.


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[Assistant] I think it is, I think it is fair to sit here on July 23rd, 2023 and say that it will not. That's not to, that's not to say that this was not a hugely significant moment in his career. And again, I think it's really


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[Assistant] I think it's really cool to see a guy have a career year, or basically make his career in four days. That's exactly what Brian Harmon did. There is one thing I wanted to get to, Rex. Why is there such a fascination with Brian Harmon's proclivity for hunting? The British press was, was fascinated


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[Assistant] It dominated at least half of the press conference queries. I didn't even, I didn't get to ask my question.


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[Assistant] Uh, of Brian Harmon because there were so many follow-ups and interrogations of, of his tractors, what he likes to, what he likes to hunt. What's, what's the fascination? They called him the Butcher of Hoylake.


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[Assistant] I mean easily, bottom, bottom three, bottom five.


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[Assistant] Of how many I've covered, I've covered almost every major since...


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[Assistant] I don't know. So a lot of majors. Yeah. I mean, it was certainly, it was certainly at the bottom. We were, we were deprived of star power. He'd snuffed out all the drama over the weekend. The last two holes, I had such high hopes that the par three 17th and the OB laden 18th were going to come into play and really be the deciding factor in this golf tournament. It didn't, it didn't come to fruition.


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[Assistant] At all. There was also some other obstacles that we had with the flash area that make it difficult to do our job. Uh, the weather, uh, only cooperated probably half the days. And look, the food's just not very good.


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[Assistant] Let's be honest, I had some sort of, I think it's called like a plowman's sandwich tonight. It was like a slice of cheese, a slice of cheese on two bread, on two pieces of bread, which was more than like the ham and cheddar.


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[Assistant] Sub that I had. This was not something you get at Jimmy John's. This wasn't something you get at Jersey Mike's. You're not going into Publix and ordering one slice of ham and one slice of cheese. Uh, it was not, it was not the greatest week in that department.


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[Assistant] Uh, so if that's what you're referring to with my takes, uh, there, there you go. It was, it was not the most memorable week in major championship history. I think that's, I think that's safe to say.


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[Assistant] So, so he's basically insinuating that if you made, you would have to make a 12, you'd have to make a 12 to lose.


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[Assistant] Let's say 300 yards in. You have 340 yards to the pin. That's what Brian Harmon had.


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[Assistant] To hack it out of that rough, I was looking at today like, ooh, I would not necessarily want to miss in here.


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[Assistant] I think the better question is could you make a, could you make a 12 while standing on the 18th tee?


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[Assistant] I mean, wedge, I mean, you could do, yea, exactly, you could do 100 yard wedge, 100 yard wedge, 100 yard wedge.


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[Assistant] You would absolutely not be able to hit it in a bunker. You would not be able to escape it. You could muster as much swing speed as you wanted. That ball was not going to be popping vertically. If that wind is left to right,


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[Assistant] Like towards the other bounds, I'm not sure I could make it 12 either. I would be aiming so far left. I'd be aiming, I'd be aiming down one. I'd be aiming down one.


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[Assistant] I might be aiming down two. I might be going left of one.


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[Assistant] Like off the property. You just cannot bring Out of Bounds into play. No, it was not the most memorable performance, but at least we had some gigs.


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[Assistant] The weather didn't cooperate. They couldn't get the golf course exactly where they wanted. It's been a wet, uh, couple of weeks leading into the Open Championship. Nothing you can do about that. I don't think anyone would argue that Brian Harmon did not play the best golf and thus he's the Open.


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[Assistant] The sec- excuse me, I almost called it the back nine. That would have been a five dollars in the- in the- in the- in the tank. Uh, the second nine was-


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[Assistant] Was, was dreadfully boring. Like John Rahm was staked to a three or four shot lead for the majority of, of the second nine. There was no drama whatsoever. Brooks Kepke kinda petered out after having a big lead.


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[Assistant] I would say when Victor Hovland hit it in the fairway bunker on the 16th hole at Oak Hill.


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[Assistant] That was a compelling duel between those two players, two of the best players in the world, and it all ended there. But then over the last 30, 40 minutes of the golf tournament, it, it, it was over.


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[Assistant] You know, sprint to the finish at LACC, tense.


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[Assistant] I think there was some, some genuine hope that there'd be a playoff between those two characters. Uh, Ricky Fowler of course was tied for the 54 hole lead. Like there was a lot to like about that major championship, but I don't think Sunday was, was particularly memorable. I don't think there was any highlights besides his.


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[Assistant] Uh, his three would shot into 14, uh, the, the par five there, the two putt birdie that gave him the cushion.


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[Assistant] They need to, to win that championship. It, I'm, I'm, I mean, I'm with you. It was a.