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[Assistant] Uh, so those are the tight ends that you looked at right there, and for all intents and purposes. Yea, the Ohio State kid, I watched him too. Oh yea, I did. You wanna just share a quick thought on him? Well, just a good all around player, right? He never popped as much in the games as I was anticipating him to, and maybe that was because they had Marvin Harrison, and Mika Abouka, but he was a converted tight end. He hasn't played tight end for that much in his career.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go over to running backs now, because we won't have no first round running backs, we think.


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[Assistant] But the 3-5 range and beyond are somewhat inconsistent. Do you think this is a result of the schemes, O-lines, coaching, or is there a broader way you need to self-scout thyself at the position? And then he ends it with love the pod. So don't take offense. Don't take offense.


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[Assistant] I mean, but you cannot deny to back you up is what I am, a Chris Sims stan. You cannot deny that schemes and offensive line, all that stuff matters a great deal. You get some of these running backs like,


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[Assistant] Uh, A-chan, Devon A-chan, that came into Miami. He was, I don't even know which running back taking he was. He was like five or something like that. And who knows, in a different system, I mean that speed plays anywhere but in a different system.


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[Assistant] Lower than that. We're not gonna give you the cop out of, that's about right. Okay. I think we're taking that off the table. Oh, we are? Okay. You can't just go, I think it's about right. That's about right. And even if it is about right, you have to say higher or lower. And we'll grade you on that. Okay. Uh, so, so Jonathan Brooks, Texas, six feet, 216 pounds, 20 years old.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we have a photo of him, so let's just give the homies a look at him maybe as we, this was a,


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[Assistant] So he was a high school legend, so I'm seeing a 310 yard rushing game, and then he follows that up with a 215 yard game, so big drop off.


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[Assistant] So they retired his jersey 25 because they're just like, no one's ever going to run for 500 yards again and no one's ever wearing the number 25 jersey at Hallettsville, Texas high school ever again. So those are the stats of what he did in high school, but this is college and we're talking about the NFL here. So you looked at the tape. What'd you, what'd you think of Jonathan Brooks?


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I'm kinda curious to do this because you haven't shared your opinions with me and normally I see your rankings coming in here. And so me, novice film guy watcher guy, uh, has an opinion. And I go, I don't think he's the best running back that I watched out of this group. I don't think, I don't think he's number one. I, I would agree with you. Okay. I'm interested in who you're...


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[Assistant] Alright, so here we go. 47th overall. You're on the clock. Right. You're taking him here, actually 46, cause you can't take him at 47. That would be, uh, right, right where he is. No. I'm going lower. You're going lower.


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[Assistant] Our next running back we're going to talk about is projected to go in the second round, 56th overall. So that is the line right now. This running back played at Florida State, Trey Benson.


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[Assistant] Uh, he is six foot, 216 pounds, played his first two seasons at Oregon, transferred to Florida State in 2022. Uh, this past year was all ACC, rushed for almost a thousand yards, had almost six yards, a carry, 14 rush touchdowns, a big part of the resurgent year for the Seminoles. What'd you think of Trey Benson?


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[Assistant] We have his nonagon, so we have all those measurables you were talking about there. NFL.com says a big back who might need to table his desires to be an elusive runner and adopt a more physical, decisive approach as a pro.


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[Assistant] So pro football focus says he is over eager to get to the sideline and outrun defenders rather than find a cut back lane. So same things you were saying about him right there. You got Dave 69 wants to know something. Uh, we got Dave here. What up, Dave? I think Trey Benson is a great fit for the Raven scheme. Keep those shotgun plays with a rookie quarterback or rookie running back. Excuse me.


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[Assistant] I wanted to look at a game where he kinda got held down. I think he had 5 or 50 some yards against Duke and so I looked at that to all those carries and I think he had 10 of them in that game. Uhm, the Florida State offensive line got worked in that game. By the Duke offensive line and then two words, Dwayne Carter. So that showed up.


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[Assistant] Like you mentioned, the offensive line did open up holes for Benson throughout the season, and so it was a little bit surprising that Duke was able to do that to them in that game.


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[Assistant] University of Michigan, uh, 5'8", 205 pounds came back for another year of college because he had unfinished business and he finished that business, winning the national championship at the University of Michigan. Uh, so this past year,


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[Assistant] He said Michigan single season records for rushing touchdowns. I mean, he just finds the end zone, 27 of them.


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[Assistant] Uh, in 28 total, Big 10 record in points scored, uh, scored a touchdown in 26 of his final 27 college games. Now it helps that you have an offensive line that was one of the best, if not the best in college football as a collective unit, although those individual pieces not necessarily


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[Assistant] Top picks as of right now. Right. Uhm, has a knack for finding the end zone. Definitely. But, uh, what'd you think of, of Michigan legend Blake Corum?


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[Assistant] So he had the meniscus tear last year. Pro Football Focus says in 2022 he was well on his way to being a top 75 selection had he not torn his meniscus.


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[Assistant] Alright, so this next guy though, he has the speed, for sure.


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[Assistant] Uh, was 95th percentile in the 40 yard dash. The athletic traits are off the chart. Actually can't be off the chart because the chart is made to contain all of the athletic traits. 98th percentile in the broad jump. We're talking about Jaylen Wright here from Tennessee. Uh, he also projected


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[Assistant] Mid third round pick. So you're right. This is where the run probably goes. He was just a three star recruit coming out of high school from North Carolina, five, 10 and a half, 210 pounds.


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[Assistant] What'd you think of Jalen Wright? Jalen Wright, you know,


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[Assistant] And I almost think he got spoiled by that, because when the hole was a little smaller, it seems like he was more prone to bounce those outside, and he has the speed to do that in college for sure, but I was like, I don't know. I was like, there probably was a hole there, and I don't know that you're gonna be able to bounce that out, outrun those edge and outside linebackers in the NFL.


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[Assistant] In past protection this past season due to his size and strength. It's not like he's the biggest guy, uh, out there. Heights in the 50th percentile, weight in the 40th percentile.


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[Assistant] Next on the board in the projections, also projected mid round three pick. This is Braylon Allen from Wisconsin. I got to see him quite a bit. He's younger.


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[Assistant] Uh, he turns 21 next January. He's from Wisconsin, stayed in state, named an all-state, running back in safety in high school, four-star recruit. Uh, in 2022, he had a school record, 96-yard rush, rushing touchdown versus Illinois State.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, Illinois State, the power that we know they are. So, so, before we get into your evaluation, guys, can we take a look at Braylon Allen standing next to Derrick Henry because...


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[Assistant] Uh, Braylon Allen's a big guy. 95th percentile in height and weight. Uh, and still, Derek, oh my god.


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[Assistant] What does he say? Don't get it twisted. I'm big next to most people, but the man is massive. I did not think it would look that drastic. Uhm, Derek Henry is massive. That's insane.


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[Assistant] You weren't talking that much, but hey, if you're going to defer to Navas film watcher guy, I'll take the reins here. Yeah, so, so he had two like 50 yard runs, uh, they were against Purdue in Minnesota. And those are like really fun to watch because he's just like the stronger human. He's bouncing off dudes and the field opens up for him and he just, he just rumbled.


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[Assistant] So, an NFC regional scout, anonymous scout, says quote, He came to Wisconsin to play Wisconsin football, but once they switched up that offensive scheme in 2023, he just looked out of place.


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[Assistant] Uh, he still has a lot of football to play, just turned 20, uh, in January. So, uh, Lance Zerline from NFL.com says that as well. He goes, evaluators need to rely more heavily on his 2022 tape, uh, where he ran with better decisiveness and instincts in a pro style.


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[Assistant] You don't have to run them over all the time. Alright, so here we go. This game that we call higher or lower, and it's always lower, projected mid, third round pick. You are saying? Lower. Lower. Yes. Uh, maybe one of these will be higher.


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[Assistant] These prospects are mid, Pete says. Yes, except for the one guy that I haven't talked about yet. Alright, so mate, so we're getting there. We still haven't gotten to my favorite.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright, so maybe not. So the next guy we're going to talk about is Marshawn Lloyd from USC. Projected 4th round pick, so that will help him here in this contest. 5'9", 220, he's 23 years old, uh, the years old, out of Delaware.


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[Assistant] Uh, lived there, but then, uh, went to high school in Maryland, five-star recruit, 2023, transferred to USC. Where was he before that? South Carolina. Um, was part of, you know, there was such a weird year for USC. I mean, Caleb Williams, you look at his numbers there, just, there was, there was definite dysfunction.


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[Assistant] Their offensive line. That offensive line for them. We have some video of, uh, Lloyd versus, uh, Notre Dame this past time. And so let's take a look at the video here and what you kind of noticed from watching the film.


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[Assistant] He has the ability to get to the open field, and then when he does, he maximizes the yards, uh, more so than I think any running back that, that I saw here. It's just like, he makes the most out of every situation, it seems.


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[Assistant] So he was 7th in FBS with 7.1 yards per carry this past year. 820 rush yards in total, 9 touchdowns. So to get those numbers with the guy, Caleb Williams, putting up his numbers and trying to get all that.


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[Assistant] I like Lloyd the most. I was like, but top three. I didn't know. I didn't want to do it like a top three in that order, but I go, I think the three that I like the most are Lloyd. I like Trey Benson. I liked what his ability could be. And then I put Audrey Estime in there and he's the next guy we're going to talk about. And I was shocked by that because his 40 time was


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[Assistant] In going back to, uh, to look at it, I was kind of waiting to see, you know, like a plotting guy, cause you see he's in the 10th percentile for 40 yard dash, but everything else, everything else was, uh, better than average, including the vertical, the broad jump, arm length, if that matters, you know, hand size, don't fumble, uh, height and weight. And so,


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[Assistant] You turn on the tape with Audrick Estime, look at his best plays again, you're like, man, that's a, that doesn't look like a plotting 4-7 guy that's just barely getting lumbering down the field. No.


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[Assistant] There was one point too, and he did this a couple times, I mean he's hurdling guys. He's like jumping over them, and there was one, one play against Clemson where he hurdled his own offensive lineman who was on the ground, and then like 15 yards down the field he hurdled a Clemson guy. I didn't see that one, I did not see that one. I was like man, this is not the plotting guy that the 4'7, 40 yard dash would try to lie to you.


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[Assistant] And there are other guys that we didn't even look at too, like Frank Gore Jr., right? I think Pete was talking about him. I looked at Tyrone Tracy just because I was curious. He was a Purdue running back that played wide receiver and then running back this past year. And there are things on his tape that I'm like, I don't know, maybe he's number four.


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[Assistant] So maybe your favorite team will get one of these guys and they will pop in the 2024 season, but that's it. We've looked at running backs a little different this time. I like that. I think that was instructive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're at home finally and it's your nemesis, right? Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] We don't even know anything earlier that's worthy of bringing up for 600. Only thing I think of is 600 club for home run hitters. Right, that's about all I got for you right there. But it is a pretty big one. And yes, we're not going to be talking about quarterbacks throwing the ball eight times today. It is the corner, the corner back edition.


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[Assistant] Okay, which also, as we know, is a very popular, very popular, uh, position in the world.


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[Assistant] The ones that were like really fast and can fly but then like can't catch the ball all that well. And that's always been kind of a mantra for corners. Right. Or have like an aggression factor maybe about them. Maybe they do catch really well but they're like wow, I mean this guy's really like fearless of contact or anything. Those are the guys that get moved over. Or just have like this


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[Assistant] He's, you know, attitude of in your face all the time. It's, you know, not like a receiver. He's always wanting to compete.


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[Assistant] You know, you can't tell him he's not the best, even if you burn him four times in a row, he's still like, I'm the man, try to burn me again. That's a corner. They have a special mentality about them, uh, that I always have found infectious, like infectious, you know that. Like, not only...


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[Assistant] Dude, I loved Deion Sanders growing up and Daryl Green and that kind of guy. My best friends on every team I played on really ended up being corners. My best friend on the college team was a corner. My best friend on my Tampa Bay Buccaneers team, Dwight Smith, uh, he was a corner. So I always kind of gravitated towards those guys. It's a great way to live life. It is.


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[Assistant] We were kind of a big deal. This was the state title game. Oh yea, which wasn't even really one of my biggest, best games really. I mean jeez, of all the games they picked out, they picked this one. Here we go.


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[Assistant] Well, here's the background to that. We played them the year before in the state semifinal game. We were the two best teams in the state. And I threw for like 330 yards on like 20 attempts, right? I was like 15 to 20. And then we played them


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[Assistant] We had, we played them in the pre-season before this year and I threw for like, I probably threw


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[Assistant] So they were like, do not let Chris Simms beat us. So they played too deep the whole game, pretty much. It was the first time I ever played a team where I was like, wow, they're playing like this, the whole game, and we ran it down their throats right on the concrete in the middle of Hoboken, New Jersey, and won a big one. They hadn't lost a game in like three years, Hoboken.


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[Assistant] One was a check down to the running back, like, how did that happen? He was literally like, nobody was open, and I was gonna like throw the ball to the back, and like I threw it safe, and they had a Division 1 running back who was playing middle linebacker, and he


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[Assistant] Oven caught it, right? The other one was just a bad interception down the middle. I'll take blame for that one.


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[Assistant] They were, this was before the Catholic schools started to dominate in New Jersey. Right now the four or five Catholic schools, they can almost, you know, they, they, not only do they have like 10 to 15 division one players on their team,


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[Assistant] They have like five NFL players on their team, like every year, and I'm not embellishing you. Like you go to, we go to, me and you go to a game next year and watch Don Bosco play Bergen Catholic. We're going to go, holy, you're going to go, holy cow, I can't believe these are high school kids. And I'm going to go, yeah.


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[Assistant] And I'm like him, he's the number one recruit, he's the number five recruit, he's gonna be in the NFL. Like it's gotten to that point. It wasn't like that when I was growing up. And Hoboken was the number one team in the state.


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[Assistant] All the Catholic schools, all that, right? They hadn't lost the game in like four years. And that game that day did a better rating.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he became the starter halfway through the year, right? So I mean, that's, that's saying something. And yeah, to me, he showed the skills. I saw that. The next guy, the next guy was better than maybe I even gave him credit for. Christian Gonzalez, unfortunately.


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[Assistant] Little too cool a time, somebody catch a ball and he'd be more worried about like kinda getting out of the way so it doesn't look like it blamed on him, right? He didn't show any of that. And, and he got rave reviews from a group up there that I know in New England, Belichick and company are hard on their corners and they expect a lot. So he's obviously all that and then my man from the Giants.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's right. And it's a tough, you know, they ask their corners a lot, we know that. But hey, he's the guy, he's the guy again that, like a guy like him emerges every year in the draft process. We're gonna have one or two here that are gonna emerge as well. Because it's, it's yeah, not at a big school, might have not been every


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[Assistant] You know, I've not even been on the Rivals.com top 10 guys coming out of college, right? You know, he's not necessarily a big time name or a big time program where the draft pundits have like brought onto him.


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[Assistant] I remember him, he was one that won the combine numbers, you went, whoa, that's like legit explosion, like.


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[Assistant] NFL island type corner explosion. So that's intriguing. And then you turn on the film and you go, well, yeah, okay, Maryland wasn't very good, but this guy locks up everybody man to man.


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[Assistant] He's in the face of everybody, right? And to me again, that's the thing is you, I do this, you, you know, I like this, I love this position and I'm, I, I edge or error on that. That to me is where it starts, right?


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[Assistant] And to me, that's where I think you always have every year a few guys that kinda come out of nowhere from that kind of conversation. So you look for the edge.


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[Assistant] I would say it's up there. Right, exactly right. That defensive end, I think there's, you know, some other ones that are in that position where you go. You want the athletic traits to pop at the


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[Assistant] What's your explosive position to where like if you can't go out there and show me how explosive you are when you're supposed to, then you're just not that explosive. That's what it is. And those guys, those are usually people that don't even have to think about that type of stuff.


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[Assistant] And as we always get into this, yeaah, some of that stuff, speed, change of direction, length of arms, like, there's no denying there's a real formula to that success in the NFL out of corners and pass rushers.


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[Assistant] Right? Or tackles, right? Offensive tackles with the arm length and all that. There's real things there. You know, every now and then you might get a guy that doesn't quite have that, right? But I guarantee he's got another trait like we talk about that's elite that covers for that lack of arm length or whatever that trait is that we don't get enough of.


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[Assistant] And that, you know, that goes for DBs too. Uhm, and uh, yeaah, last year was, you know, really, you look back at it, it was a pretty damn good class overall.


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[Assistant] He is the great, you're bringing me here. He is the other side of the story we just talked about, where there's some measurables you look at and all that. I feel like he's one where...


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[Assistant] The measurables went a little too far. They went, wait, look at his length, right? Whoa, look at his straight line speed. Oh, he's got all these pick sixes, right? But I kept watching and again, hopefully he fixes this. I'm never not rooting for the player, but like,


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[Assistant] I know at the time last year and we were just talking before the pod, the problem was all, I was like, but he can't flip his hips. He can't change direction.


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[Assistant] Anytime anybody runs some sort of route and he's not in the perfect position, he kind of looks silly adjusting to it, right? So the change of direction ability, the flipping of the hips and recovering that way, that to me was where I was like, ehh.


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[Assistant] I feel like, I feel pretty good about it. I've had some misses, I know that, right? I know. Where like maybe I...


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[Assistant] I erred on a guy like CJ Henderson from Florida, right? With great physical ability and all that. There was some plays where you'd go, ooh, I wish he would show a little more competitiveness or fire or whatever else.


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[Assistant] You know, I erred on that guy rather than let's say maybe a Jeff Akuda where everyone was like, Oh, his technique is so perfect. His hips are so good. You know, it was all this technical stuff.


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[Assistant] Is really where it's at, right? You know, and then so the technique and all that you look at that too. And you know, again, yeah, I lend on, I tend to lean on the more explosive nature of the guy. Now, you know, Hey, knowing the guy, his competitive nature and all that.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, that, that's a big part of it. And that was one of my things with Stingley, right? Stingley out of LSU. In number, number two, three pick of the draft. I was just kind of like, ah.


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[Assistant] Man, I mean, he lets people catch the ball. It doesn't seem like he cares sometimes. People catch the ball and he lets them run away from him. He doesn't even like care to go tackle him, right? Those are things that bothered me. But obviously they knew enough about the guy to go, wait, we're not worried about that. We think he'll compete when he gets here. That's a disadvantage you have, right?


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[Assistant] A guy that's, you know, we, we got guys on this side where I'd go, Hey, he played zone the whole time. He never had to cover anybody. I'm sure his grades are great. This guy's out here. They're blitz and cover zero. He's got no help anywhere ever, or he's playing man to man the whole game. And I'm sure his grades aren't that great, but they're,


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[Assistant] I know with context clues, right, that this team believes in them and woe does he have the ability. Yeah, he got beat a few times, but they ask him to play man to man a lot, right? And whenever it's a big down, they make them cover the best player. That tells you something, right? As compared to other teams in some situations we'll talk about where I go, wait, this coach,


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[Assistant] When he has good corners, he plays man to man. If he's not playing man to man, that tells you something that's going on there that he doesn't like. And he, so that, that doesn't translate to, oh yeah, we're going to take this corner in the top 20 pick of the draft. And so those are, you know, it's all stuff and we'll unpack it all here as we go.


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[Assistant] If you just watch a tape of like, highlights, here's the ten times they threw at them during the game, or the seven times, right? You're just not gonna get the full story there.


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[Assistant] Alright, that to me is the big thing. Whether it's the highlights or the lowlights that they usually kind of put on those type of things. You gotta see, wait,


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[Assistant] Hey, it's third and seven, yea, the ball didn't go to his side, so it might not be on some tape, but this guy over here didn't know the ball wasn't coming his way. He ran the route on the 15-yard out route as fast and as explosive as he can, and the corner was playing man-to-man. He didn't know where the ball was going either, so there's some value to it to go, eh, they played it legit.


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[Assistant] And I saw what he did when that guy tried to move him or lean him or do whatever and I got to see those movements off of that and I think that's really key to watching corners.


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[Assistant] His name is Quinion Mitchell Toledo. His name is, if he played at a big time school, if he was at Ohio State or Alabama, he would be a top five pick. Right? The only question about this kid is going, he played a Toledo and the first thing that everybody's math is going to go out of their mouth is going to go,


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[Assistant] Well, who did he play against, right? That's going to be the question. And then it'll probably knock him down a few spots in the draft, even though it shouldn't because he is got it all. When you talk about the size, the length, the thickness of the body, right? To me, it's a very, here's some names and bodies that it reminds me of.


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[Assistant] Darrell Rivas, Akib Tlaib, right? There's some strength to this. This is not just some like fast, skinny corner. There's some explosion, explosiveness, and some real muscle fiber to the football player. He's the fastest.


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[Assistant] Quickest, most explosive cornerback in the draft, along with the best ball skills in the draft.


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[Assistant] That's where it starts right there, right? Now yea, you're not gonna find a ton of, hey, he played, you know, Marvin Harrison Jr. and all that. I get that. Although he did, actually. He did. You're dead. Two years ago, right?


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[Assistant] But then into, like, the other parts of the conversation we talk about, right? He and his ability, like, what he's, the positions he's put in.


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[Assistant] He plays a ton of man to man, right? He plays off man to man more times than not, which is a lot like Devin Witherspoon was last year. And in a lot of ways, and I like it because I go, this kid's got all the skills to become a really awesome bump and run corner. He just got to have somebody teach him a little bit, I'm sure, and get down that. But when you talk about the ability one,


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[Assistant] Backpedal, stick your foot in the ground and drive on the ball. I mean, it's flawless. It's as explosive as any person in the draft as far as that's concerned.


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[Assistant] Right? The ability to, oh wait, I think he's about to run a slant route. Oh no, he ran an out route on me. I gotta flip my hips and turn around and now try to drive on the ball because the quarterback's throwing him an 8 or a 10 yard out route.


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[Assistant] Oh, and I mean, his ability again to flip the hips, driving the ball, accelerating those, to me is the best in the draft. There's really not much that he's not best in the draft. He reminds me a lot of Devin Witherspoon from last year.


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[Assistant] He doesn't have as many highlight tackles, right? But he still has some tackles where you go, this dude is a heat seeking missile. And I think in a lot of ways, because of his, he's bigger than Devin Witherspoon.


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[Assistant] I think he has better pure man to man cover skills, and he's gonna be more of a guy that you can go,


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[Assistant] Wait, we can just put him on the outside and he can cover Jamar Chase?


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[Assistant] Or T Higgins, either one, where Witherspoon was a little bit more slot value. This guy is going to be outside, cover the best receiver on your football team type of guy, shut down island type corner. I love Quinian Mitchell. He's got it all. And I do think he is a top 10 pick. I do.


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[Assistant] That's it. Okay. I can get there. I can get there. I've got, he's got very good instincts to your point where he can kinda see the drop and the play and he really knows like, ooh, they're about to do this, ooh, they're about to do this. This isn't just some like, I can't understand football and I just cover the guy in front of me. He's got a little feel for the football game.


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[Assistant] But I think to me, again, the fact that he doesn't, what he's doing is harder. That's what he's gonna find out. It's harder.


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[Assistant] When he gets to the NFL and somebody teaches him a little footwork on how to use his hands, he's gonna go, aw man.


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[Assistant] You mean I could have done this in college and basically never let anybody run inside of me ever and then just gone like, hey, you have to go outside and I'm faster than you and I'm stronger than you and the sidelines is over there.


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[Assistant] He's gonna get, he's gonna get to that and he's gonna go, damn, I wish I would have known that in college. Nobody would have ever caught a pass on me. Right? So that's to me, in a lot of ways, I don't like corners that are finished projects. That was Jeff Acuta. Finished product. Where does it go? He's as perfect as he can get.


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[Assistant] Right? This kid's not perfect, but the explosiveness, the ability, and then, you know, to your point with the off too.


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[Assistant] There's some skill to that. Jairo Alexander was very much like this. Because...


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[Assistant] Again, I think it's the instincts to be able to see the field, the ability to read and react in a flash, right? And then...


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[Assistant] They have ball skills. They have real ball skills. Quinian Mitchell is the rare guy.


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[Assistant] That when you throw a go route down the sideline or something like that, he plays it like a wide receiver.


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[Assistant] He doesn't go, oh, let me turn into the wide receiver and not see the ball and just wait for the receiver to put his hands up and then I'll try to knock the ball down, right? He doesn't do that. I don't know how much you noticed it, but like when people attacked him, he'd be running down the field. He'd be like, I'm going to go get that. I'm going to intercept it. Right? I mean, he played it like a wide receiver.


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[Assistant] He's got a few drop interceptions or whatever. I, whatever. I'm sure people docked him 74 points because he dropped two interceptions. Whatever. I, I saw so many good plays on the ball and so much ball awareness. Even plays where maybe he didn't make the play on the ball, but I went,


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[Assistant] Man, that was an unbelievable, like, recovery job. And then he was all over that. He just missed it. But he saw it.


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[Assistant] He knew where the ball was and everything like that. That's to me where I was incredibly impressed by, by the player. You want to hear the notes from Ahmed Freed's notebook? Oh, you know it. That's such a quick decision.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or he sits. Right. He's gonna get burned a few times this rookie year on double moves and stuff cause he's so aggressive, right? Or he's so cocky, again, and this is to me where great corners need this.


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[Assistant] He's so cocky that he, you know, go ahead, I dare you to run by me. You're not going to run by me. Even if you do, I'm going to run you down, right? So he's got a little bit of that in him too. To where, yeaah, you throw a curl, you throw a curl, you throw a slant. That next one, he's going, well damn, they're going to throw the curl and slant again. I'm going to wait here. I trust my speed.


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[Assistant] Right? And those are things you trust that you get to get a feel for on film too. You could tell the guys that trust themselves in certain situations as opposed to the guy who's like, oh, should I better get out of there? Cause I don't know if I can run with this guy. So I need to backpedal 74 yards down the field. Oh, they caught a slant, but at least they didn't do anything. Well, yeah. Okay. They're going to catch slants on you all day long.


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[Assistant] Right? That, that to me is what I, I really liked and...


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[Assistant] He'll probably have to learn a few lessons here and there, but either way, he is the kind of guy you draft, he's gonna give your defense attitude, swagger, just like a Devin Witherspoon. It's gonna be that infectious, in your face personality that rubs off on a team, let alone he's a shut down corner.


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[Assistant] No, he would not be my one if he would be in, if that, you can't be my one if you're gonna be, oh he can only play zone. Like, that's, no.


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[Assistant] This, you know where it starts for me. Zone, he can learn. He's going to learn how to go. They're going to go, Hey, when you play cover two, there's a guy in the flat and the guy behind you midpoint them. All right. And then read the quarterback size. That's, I mean, again, these are things that are like, when I hear like all that crap, I want to go, come on, it's just coaching. There's nothing more to it.


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[Assistant] The hard spot, the hard part is what he does and why we're talking about him. And he does that at a really high level. And yea, no, he, he translates to everybody. But I think the teams that,


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[Assistant] Play man to man or value that more are of course gonna love him even more because they know what he brings to the table.


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[Assistant] If he's on a big time college football team, like I'm not joking. I don't think he's a top five. If he went to LSU and had a yellow helmet or Ohio state or Alabama, everybody's going, he's a top five pick. But because it's Toledo and because that name doesn't make people feel warm and cozy. Yeah. Right. And, and he doesn't have enough.


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[Assistant] Uh, he covered these big time receivers. It's probably going to hurt them a few spots, which, which it shouldn't, but, but, you know, again, like Devin Witherspoon last year and maybe Pete, you could pull this up. I remember one of the things that like,


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[Assistant] He kinda got lucky with the Big Ten schedule. Now see, he went in the Big Ten, so that makes people feel warm and cozy.


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[Assistant] And he's from Illinois, and at least that's a name that makes people feel warm and cozy, right? But if I remember correctly, he kind of went through, he didn't have to play Ohio State, I know that. And I feel like he dodged another team too. I don't think they played Penn State, they played Michigan. He kind of dodged the teams where you went, they got some heat at receiver and they can be a little, we can get a better feel for them.


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[Assistant] Right? Uhm, but either way I think that's the reality we're living in here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he will be a first-rounder for sure. Oh, and yes, he will. I would be absolutely floored.


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[Assistant] Blown away, not the top corner. He's in a tear by himself, and I think, and again, I haven't got done with pass rushers and all that yet. I'm in the midst of doing that right now. I would think this kid is in the running for the top defensive player off the board in general.


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[Assistant] That's what he's here for, that silky smooth voice. I think he is every bit as good as Sauce. I'm gonna say this, I like him better than I like Sauce coming out. Sauce to me, and again,


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[Assistant] Sauce is not, I don't know if sauce could just go all over the field and play people man to man everywhere, right? Sauce is a little bit of like,


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[Assistant] He's in a system. Cover three, press bail.


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[Assistant] Right? You just play outside. You do that. I love Sauce. I get that. I like him. Don't get me wrong.


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[Assistant] But, I'm more of a fan of Quinnian Mitchell than I was of Saul Skarner coming out. All right. My Detroit Lions could use a guy like that. Unfortunately, they were too good last year. Unfortunately, he will be off the board unless you guys trade your whole future. Trade up, trade up, trade up.


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[Assistant] Those are still like, these are guys you're gonna trust.


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[Assistant] On a island with your best guys, they might not shut down people quite yet in the NFL, right? But you're trusting them that, hey, they're, they're not going to be outclassed by anybody we go against, right? Might not be as good as Quenyon Mitchell yet, and right, because he's ready to shut down.


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[Assistant] Right? These guys, hey, we're ready to put them on an island. They might not shut them down yet, but we trust them. They're good enough. They're freaky enough. They're explosive enough that we'll put them out there against the best receivers in football.


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[Assistant] On a island by themselves and they'll work towards being shut down.


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[Assistant] Wiggins, Clemson. Yeaah, I-I mean, I like Nate. I really do. I mean, it's hard not to like him. First off, I mean, when you're just talking about Nate Wiggins, and you talk about corner in general, I mean, speed and length, like we talked about at the start of the show, well, there's Nate Wiggins. He's kinda got both.


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[Assistant] And we like that, because yeaah, he's the kind of guy that, you know, you could say on the outside and go, well, I think he could run with Tyree Kill if he runs Go Routes and does all that.


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[Assistant] Alright, I like that. Oh, it's a longer Justin Jefferson type of receiver? Alright, well he's got the length and the wingspan there too, where I know he can run with them, but he won't be out


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[Assistant] Catch Radius by Justin Jefferson and all that. I mean, so that's where I really like Nate Wiggins. He's skinny.


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[Assistant] The kind of fast that I love where, I mean, he, he enjoys running people down, right? I mean, he enjoys going, oh, you think you're about to break loose or a 70 yard touchdown? I'm going to show you and tackle you at the three or four yard line. I mean that, he's got that showmanship about him that you really, really like, right? You know, I mean, like,


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[Assistant] Acceleration burst off of the back pedal is really, really damn good.


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[Assistant] He's got a little bit maybe of a straight linerness to him compared to Quinian Mitchell.


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[Assistant] Right? Not so much to where it's like Emmanuel Forbes from last year, right? But he's long, he's skinny, you know, he's got narrow hips. He might not be quite as hippie as some of the other corners in this draft or whatever else, but it's not to where you go, you know, oh, well, it's a problem. His hips are just not as good as, you know,


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[Assistant] A guy like Quinnian Mitchell or somebody else, right?


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[Assistant] That, that would be one area you'd go, oh, it could be a little bit better, but again, his speed and acceleration are so good.


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[Assistant] That it's not one where you go, oh, okay, just cause he's a little hip, a little tight in the hips there, or, you know, he takes a few too many steps in transition, right? He thinks the guy's about to run a go route and the guy puts the brakes on and runs the 15 yard out route or whatever. Does he have a few more steps than you would like? Yeah, sometimes he does, right?


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[Assistant] But all in all, the straight speed, the length, the ability to break on the ball, the ability to close on the ball even if he's beat and still make it competitive whether he knocks it down or hey the guy catches it but it's a bang bang type of play really is pretty damn elite when you get into it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's got next level, next gear type of speed.


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[Assistant] That's why I love Clemson and they don't make it hard.


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[Assistant] They tr- and they give you the context clues, like I talk about. Like, oh, it's a big down. They- what are they gonna play? Oh, they trust their guy man to man on their best receiver. Okay, there he goes. So he does it. Yeah, he has that-


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[Assistant] Him and Quinion Mitchell are definitely right up there with him. There's one other guy we're going to talk about here in a little bit too that plays a good amount of man to man. You know, maybe not this to this degree. Uh, but yeah, he's CB1, plays a ton of man, can play off.


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[Assistant] Right? Probably more comfortable playing bump though. That's where he's really good. Right? And then he's still doesn't even use his hands to probably his capacity. That's another thing he'll learn in the NFL to give himself advantage. But his ability like, you know,


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[Assistant] Turn and straight run is really good. Let's say you run a post and then a corner, right? It might not be perfectly greasy within the hips, but it's not bad. And then like I said, he makes it up with it with having another gear and speed.


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[Assistant] You know, a little like Quinian Mitchell too is he can play the ball a little. This is another reason where...


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[Assistant] You know, I made him number two. Not only the speed and the length, right? Does a great job of like, if you outside release, he's not gonna let you buy him and he's gonna get on top of you and then basically squash the route.


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[Assistant] But he does play the ball like a receiver a little bit himself too. He's not looking to always go into the DB or the wide receiver and knock the ball out that way.


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[Assistant] And he's scary. He's not afraid to take a chance. You know, like Quinian Mitchell, he plays off and he thinks he knows what you're about to throw.


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[Assistant] You know, he puts the foot on the ground and then he just takes off and you go, whoa.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, their ability to break on the ball on routes where, like you said, the quarterback goes, Oh, I think I got an easy one here. He's seven yards off and I'm running and throwing underneath route. And these guys throw the ball and it's like, Whoa, you just got that in there. Right? Uh, that's where he's damn special too. But yeah, you get to say, see him play man to man.


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[Assistant] And be on that island, and he answers a lot of questions in that style of play.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's gonna go a little. Like he's gonna lose some bump and grind in plays, right? Like, you know, T. Higgins going down the sideline and he's gotta cover his Clemson alumni right there. You know, like little elbow shrugs and arm shrugs. Like yeah, T. Higgins is gonna win that physical battle. That's part of it.


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[Assistant] You know, that's, that's, he, he, he, he will compete, right? And, you know, he's not


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's not a killer in the tackling game, but again, to me, I evaluate that a little different. Quenya Mitchell's ability to tackle is special for a corner. You don't see guys like him or Devon Witherspoon very often to where you're just like, wow.


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[Assistant] Not only are they freaky athletic cover guys, they have no regard for their body, right? Yea, this guy, he'd rather tackle you on the side, run you down, or come in, like I said, and hope he takes your legs out, but he's like, is he gonna square you up and be like, come on tail back, bring it on, I'm gonna square you up.


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[Assistant] Which is smart. He probably should not do that. He doesn't want to do that. And that's not what he's being drafted for. He's being drafted for so he can cover Devonte Smith.


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[Assistant] You know, there, there's again, when you talk about outside corner play, there's valued more in the NFL than the, you know, the guys who are being paid the most at corner in football are not playing in the slot. They're outside having to play the freaks out there. So, you know, there, there's value into that where Witherspoon is a little bit more of the nickel. And yeah, I think like,


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[Assistant] Wiggins, Wiggins has a, like, Witherspoon was just petal to the metal, needle on red all the time, right? Wiggins has a few plays where, you know, you go,


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[Assistant] You shouldn't let that guy catch that route on you right there, right? Where he might be, I don't want to say lazy, or just, you know, a little lethargic or, you know, just


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[Assistant] Complacent at times. Maybe that to a degree. But like, not concerning. It wasn't like I was watching Stingley and that, or anything like that, right? There's just a few plays where you're like, oh yea, they threw a ten yard out.


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[Assistant] Long, he flies, he knows how to play the game, he can play on an island, he's got ball skills, right, doesn't know how to use his hands, he's raw degree in that department, right, but his makeup ability and his sixth gear is special. The ability to close on the receiver is special.


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[Assistant] Right? And he can play zone. He's got, he's got instincts. He's not like, oh, I can just play man to man and I don't understand the game either. There is plenty of plays where I go, oh, they did a good job there. Ooh. You know, he read number two and came off the guy outside and saw that and went and made a play on it. So there's a lot there as a player to really respect.


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[Assistant] Quiniel Mitchell can cover anybody anywhere, right? Okay, uhm, Wiggins is an outside corner who has to maybe learn some technique and stuff and could probably play some slot as he goes on in his career, right? DJ James, to me, not only is outside


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[Assistant] You know, man to man corner and does all that stuff too. DJ James has the hips and the change of direction skills where I go, I have no doubt he could play nickel right away in the NFL and be really elite at it as well. Right. That to me is where he's really special. He doesn't quite have the speed.


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[Assistant] But what DJ James does have, and I think is every bit as good, maybe even better than Nate Wiggins, right, is, hey, I'm running with a guy and he's kind of running like the post route, and all of a sudden now he breaks and runs to the corner, like we were talking about, like the post corner.


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[Assistant] His hips and ability to move and change directions, they're better than Nate Wiggins. That's for sure. He has got the loosest hips, change of direction.


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[Assistant] Put your foot in the ground, no wasted steps. I'm breaking here and I'm back to full speed within two steps. He is up there with Quinian Mitchell in that department.


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[Assistant] Now he's not as good as either one of them at ball skills, uh, and of course he doesn't have the size and length maybe as the other two that way, but I was really impressed with this player. Just about everything with this player. Great feet, right?


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[Assistant] Really competes, gets in your face. His only thing was maybe that lack of top end gear that the other two guys have that he's kind of missing.


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[Assistant] Oh no, he was kind of sitting on the under, underneath route, right? And the guy takes off and runs deep.


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[Assistant] Right? There's not the same type of top end, ooh, let me get to that other gear to close it. The ball's in the air. Oh, he's closing it. Like, Nate Wiggins and Mitchell, you'd be like, I don't know if the ball's gonna get there in time, right? And you know, this one, okay, it's not quite that way.


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[Assistant] Where it's a little different is on some of the intricate underneath routes.


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[Assistant] Like I said, as compared to a Nate Wiggins or whatever, he's all over that stuff. You try to run a little like slant and then come back out.


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[Assistant] Right? All that, or a little jerk route in the middle of the field. He is very good at, oh wait, you made me stop? Oh no, you lean me this way? Oh, my hips are good, I'm going back the other way with you. Or, you know, you flip me around?


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[Assistant] I'm not like a robot that's like, wait, I have to redirect to a straight line. I'm going straight now. Here I go. It's none of that. It's a really loose point guard-ish and basketball, right? That's where I liked him. And to me, that's where like his, his hips,


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[Assistant] Uhm, his ability to turn and run, his ability to flip his hips and turn and run, it's excellent, right?


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[Assistant] The footwork, everything we talked about, whether it's back pedals, right?


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[Assistant] Being leaned one way, having to stick the foot in the ground and break another way. It's all like, he's, he's elite in those areas. He really is. It's just that one area we talk about. And tackling, you know, it's a little like Nate Wiggins. It's, he tackles, but he's, you know, he's not going to set the edge. We're not asking him to take on Jerome Bettis. That's not what he is.


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[Assistant] No, don't you ask me, but you're gonna question me? Was it? Was it the Cowboys in the playoff game? It was Ken Norton Jr. No, no, no.


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[Assistant] When they had a big play against, you know, to your point to LSU, they went, you take Malik neighbors, right? You take him. I mean, that to me said a lot. And it was sometimes moved into the slot where you're like, wow, he's been playing outside for like the last 20 snaps. Now here we are in the third and seven. They went go inside against the best receiver in college football.


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[Assistant] Oh, I know. He only covered the guy perfectly for 35 seconds, right? That's where I feel bad for guys, like the corner. He's all over the guy forever. The guy's forever, forever, forever. And then he's got his back turned to the ball, and Milroy threw a good ball, but yea, that hurt.


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[Assistant] And then the first guy that I say, he's got real inside outside day one.


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[Assistant] You know, availability to a football team. I wouldn't be, it's probably where he starts out. I wouldn't be shocked if that's where it started. But again, I think there's enough on the outside and like I said, I think between


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, the feet and the transition and all of that, the burst, right, the acceleration, uh, I, I do, I, I see a corner here that


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[Assistant] End of the first, maybe early second, right? Somewhere in there. So he's projected round three right now in round three. Yeah, Peter told me before, he's like, Peter saw me round two. He saw a little bit. Yeah, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't raise up here a little bit as we go to. Because it's one of those where you're not projecting much. You get to see it.


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[Assistant] You get to see him play man against big time, you know, competition and you get to see him against guys like the two LSU guys and go, well he wasn't outclassed by any stretch of the imagination against those two guys. So I think he'll be okay in the NFL.


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[Assistant] It's self-explanatory. Like not perfect. They're not finished products by any stretch of the imagination.


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[Assistant] The clay, the moldable clay you see there, you go, ooh, there's some stuff here that I like, right? You know, it might not be...


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[Assistant] Hey, it might be a few too many steps here and there. It might be, oh, why did you not play with this leverage? Why did you flip your hips? Do all that type of stuff, right? But still, you look at it and you go, man, at the end of the day, you can look at these guys and go, you got him and we're going to be okay.


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[Assistant] And that's what it is. And then there's some things maybe that they need to clean up or we can poke holes about their game as they go forward that they need to get better at.


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[Assistant] Pretty long arms. Arms are up the length of the guys that are taller than him. So those are things that I look at and I go, uh, he plays bigger than his size, right? And here's a guy that I think ultimately


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[Assistant] You know, he's an outside corner, but there's a guy that I think, as his career goes on, I wouldn't be shocked to see him, you know, get to play the slot a little bit too. I think, I think it's there within him. Right? And where he's...


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[Assistant] Might not be as good as James with the change of direction and the hips and all that type of stuff. His straight, his straight speed.


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[Assistant] Is better than a DJ James, right? His straight speed is better than a DJ James. His ability to accelerate and get the top end speed is better than our guy at Clemson too.


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[Assistant] Like, he can get to zero to sixty. Nate Wiggins, it might take him five steps to get to zero to sixty. Guys like Max Melton and DJ James, it's like two steps and they get to full speed. Let alone, he's got another gear than even a DJ James has. Right? Tackles does that.


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[Assistant] But again, context clues, Greg Cianno, pretty damn good coach, big plays, he's playing man, inside or outside, does both, right?


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[Assistant] Has really good feet, right? Not like, not like DJ James or maybe Quinian Mitchell, but they're really good. And then,


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[Assistant] Again, the, the burst, which is such a huge part of this.


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[Assistant] Right? I'm sitting flat footed, the guy runs the out route right in front of me. The ability to burst and maybe make a competitive play on the ball there. Or, oh wait, he's attacking me and I'm backpedaling, let me jam my right foot in the ground now because he's breaking on an in cut or an out cut, whatever. His ability to do that.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's, it's up there with anybody in the draft as far as, as that's concerned, right? So burst, acceleration, all of that. I love that, right? He's put in a lot of tough demand to man situation, right?


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[Assistant] He has some plays as we talked about with the last guy. You go, yeah, he gets beat. It doesn't look very good. But I, when I watch them, I go, most of the corners in the NFL would be beat on these kind of plays too if they were asked to play the coverage this way and what they're doing against this route. That's a tough one. So, you know, that's where,


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[Assistant] I like him. He's not as technically sound as maybe the other guys, and that's where he's raw, but explosive, right? Yea. Right? You know, but the raw ability is there.


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[Assistant] You know, the patience at the line of scrimmage, he's, he's confident. Confident in his, his like ability to run and do that, right? But he guesses a little bit every now and then. He takes a few extra steps or a weird step every now and then, right? Uh, you know, but,


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[Assistant] All in all, again, I think he's a guy that you're gonna trust on the island. And he's got elite speed and acceleration, along with some good feet and some, just needing some more coaching to where this guy gets that, he could be one of the top corners in football in a few years.


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[Assistant] And his ability with their Wiggins and their Quentin Mitchell, to me, to run people down when he had been beaten, like the top end stuff, like, oh no, he sat on, he thought the guy was gonna run a slant and the guy ran by and ran a go. His ability to turn.


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[Assistant] And go, whoa, like he was beat and he knocked that ball down or the guy caught it, but you're still like, holy shit. The fact that he even made that competitive play was impressive to me. That was up there with the top guys in the draft. It was better than DJ James Auburn.


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[Assistant] It was up there with Wiggins and Mitchell, I thought, as far as that department's concerned.


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[Assistant] They're calling that on me? That would have never been called past interference in college, right? So they're gonna have to adjust. But hey, first off, look at the body. The legs are great. It's a high ass. You know I'm a fan of a high ass, right? It is. You know, he's high cut.


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[Assistant] And he makes a lot of plays on the ball. And he ain't afraid to go in there and throw the ball around, I mean throw his body around a little bit and do that too. That's what I do like about him, right? Uhm, you know, the, the,


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[Assistant] The, what else did I wanna say? The speed, the transition, I got that. Oh, you know, one of the other things too that just jumps out to me is, you know,


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[Assistant] Teams went away from him. I felt like more times than not. Like if you had like, oh wait, I have good receiver over here, and not so as good a receiver over here, and they're both running the same round, they went, I'm gonna play my lesser receiver, cause I,


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[Assistant] Don't think we're gonna be able to get open against this guy over here. Those are some other things that, you know, I thought were, were, you know, pretty telltale signs of like the respect the other teams gave him, the respect his own defense had in him to go, hey, you gotta cover this guy man to man. There's some stuff to this guy. I really like him, right? And, you know, there was,


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[Assistant] There was parts of me that was like maybe, am I, should I put him in the tier two, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, that, that's, I was, I was like, uh, I dunno, maybe I should put him, because there's some raw ability stuff, like I said, that I think is in the class of the Auburn and Clemson kid, right? You know, but there's some stuff there that does need some work, and that's where I think ultimately I just felt a little more comfortable with the other guys. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's the weight and the height. It's just, you know, to me the 5'11 thing, yeah, probably hurt him, you know, again. But I do think this is a second round pick.


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[Assistant] Right, I wouldn't be shy. Like again, I'm not mad at guys like him or DJ James and we've seen this before. I can honestly tell you, I've seen corners worse than these guys picked in the late in the first round. That's for sure. That's what I will not, and that's to me. And again, I don't have a great feel for tackle or pass rusher yet.


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[Assistant] You know, to where maybe I'm undervaluing these guys. And we've seen, you know, once maybe the first two DBs go off the board, teams start to go, oh shit, there's only a few more.


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[Assistant] Well, I wrote 30 to 50, right, as my general range there. I don't expect it to be first round, but I don't expect them to be on the board long in the second round before somebody takes them.


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[Assistant] The Camryon. Your number five corner is? The Camryon Richardson number three from Mississippi State. Is Mississippi State, is it just a guarantee that they're going to have a freak or two in every draft? I mean, it just kind of seems like it. No matter what. I mean, it's just like,


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[Assistant] Oh, oh, it's the draft. It's like, does Mississippi State have a freak corner? Do they have a freak offensive lineman? Do they have some freak defensive tackle that's just gonna maul the NFL? What will it be? That's Mississippi State. I mean, every year.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're talking all tall length here. We're talking...


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[Assistant] Sauce Gardener-ish type of looking body, right? Where it's skinny and, you know, borderline frail to a degree, right? But he ain't frail with how he plays, right? For a frail, nobody told him he's skinny. Cause he does bring it. I mean, maybe out of some of the other corners, maybe brings it as good as anybody that way.


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[Assistant] You, you couple that with the straight speed, the size and the length and the ability to jam at the line of scrimmage and make people very uncomfortable there.


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[Assistant] Right? That's to me where he's got a little bit of like a Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner-ish type of aspect to him. Right? He's not going to be everybody's cup of tea. Right? If you're looking for a guy that's just going to be like man to man all over the field on intricate routes a little again, again, some of the change direction like Emmanuel Forbes from Mississippi last year.


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[Assistant] You know, there's some things there that you'd like better, like you wish it was a little bit better. But I actually think some of that stuff's better than Emanuel Forbes, right? I really do. And then I think when you couple that with the physicality, and then again,


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[Assistant] Like I said, the hips, the change of direction, I wish it was a little bit better. But when you talk about jam and turn and run, or I'm in a back pedal.


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[Assistant] And the guy in front of me now has put the brakes on and I have to put my foot in the ground and accelerate. It's as good as anybody in the draft is that, that department. I mean, he can really stick his foot in the ground and he can really go, go, go gadget legs and get up to top speed in a hurry. That's where I like it.


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[Assistant] Right? He's gonna be a little bit more of, hey, we're looking for an outside corner that can play bigger receivers. Seattle three teams might really like him, right? Because I do, like I just said, I just said two


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[Assistant] Richard Sherman and Brandon Brown are, you know, jammed with the line of scrimmage, get back, don't let them run by you, right? If they're underneath you, put your foot in the ground, accelerate on the ball, right? That's to me where he, he, he, he, uh, flourishes. And then he's not afraid, like I said, to mix it up and do that, right? But he's best, uh, when he's playing bump and run.


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[Assistant] And it's odd because he can flip his hips and turn and run straight away, but if it's more of a intricate double route, double move route or anything like that, that's where, again, he's not perfect that way. He needs some work and definitely can work in that department.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think, well, he's like, he's a guy where you go, he's total outside corner, we're never bringing him inside. Right? It's almost like, you know, like I said, Seattle three, like a gar- sauce gardener, something like that. Or a team that goes,


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[Assistant] We, we, you know, we're looking for a bigger, like,


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[Assistant] He can cover the ex-receiver kind of guy, right? The single receiver over here, and we can basically say, hey, play inside leverage, don't run, anybody run a slant, jam the shit out of them, and see if they can run around you and your length and your speed on the outside. And just make life horrible on that way, right? Right? That to me is where,


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[Assistant] He'll be looked at, right? It's gonna be that type of thing. You don't want him covering your Z receiver, right? You don't want him versus Malik neighbors, and now Malik neighbors is going in motion, and he might run the shallow cross, he might come out, he might run the D, like, no way. He'll get crossed up that way, right? And again,


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[Assistant] Guys like Sauce Gardner aren't that good at that stuff either, right? I mean, if he was that great at it, they'd be like, hey, do that all the time. But they keep him on the outside, mostly always, all game long, because that's not his cup of tea. So that's what he's not going to be about. But I will say this too, and even in, he's really good in zones because of his length and his short


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[Assistant] Short area burst that he has, right? So, oh wait, he's long, he's mid-pointing the guy. Hey, it's scary to throw around him.


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[Assistant] And then you throw balls that are like somewhat close, his ability to, you know, get there in two or three steps in the zone coverages, it makes it really dicey and interesting.


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[Assistant] I think he's one that, again, I don't think, I know, just as we go here, I'll be shocked if we don't hear this one kind of climb up the ranks. I'm not saying maybe I have him too high, but I think at least you're going to start to hear people go, wait, this guy's, you know, one of my top 50 players now, or I'm hearing he could go in the second round, or whatever. That's what I kind of envision happening with D- Camry on.


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[Assistant] Right, yep. That's, uh, that's to me where it's gonna be. Right? And he can play off, too. Because of the things we talked about, right? It's like Quinian Mitchell. His ability to kinda like see, he's got some instincts, but his ability to go...


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[Assistant] Oh, wait, they're running the slant route? Let me go drive on it? I mean, cause he can accelerate at such a level, he's very competitive on those type of plays. Right? That's where you really like it.


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[Assistant] He can play off, he can play bump, and you know, the name I always use when I talk about like these bigger guys and all of that, right? It's like, he's the perfect guy. You'd go, hey, T Higgins is over there.


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[Assistant] Go, go guard T. You're long enough, you can run with him, right? Stay with him, make life hard on him that way. That's where...


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[Assistant] That's where he's gonna have value to certain teams that are looking for the bigger type of corner, right? That maybe they, alright, we got everything else a corner. We need that guy that we can feel like can match up with some of the longer, straight line, faster guys in football. That's where he's gonna come in really handy.


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[Assistant] I think he's a little bit better with the change of direction stuff. I definitely think he's stronger.


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[Assistant] And like has a better ability to play bump man to man. You like him more than Forbes, a first rounder last year. I do. I do, yea. I was not a fan of Forbes. You were not. And we'll see where that goes. But yea, that, that, that to me last year was so straight liney and I went, I don't trust him on any route other than a go route.


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[Assistant] And this kid, I have more trust for that. Let alone, like I said, I think the physical-ness, I really liked him. He's got a little chippiness, a little attitude to him. You can see the game's important to him. He really competes, right? That's what I really liked about him too. I think he's gonna fit nicely in the NFL. So that is it.


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[Assistant] It's not as deep as the high-end talent that I guess I was expecting, right? That's what I would say. If I had to say anything, to me, like, you know, there's this group here, we're gonna name another two or three guys with ramen hood, but I felt like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, there was significant tears or significant drop off pretty hurt, pretty fast, right? Where, again, there's a lot of good, there's a lot of mid to late round corners where I look at. I guess I was kind of expecting a little bit more of a top heaviness, right? And a little bit of like, gosh.


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[Assistant] There's like eight freaks here. I don't know which one to go with, man. This is a tough one. Like this one was, was.


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[Assistant] Not all that tough. After I watched on film, you know, I always keep a, a little rough list as I go along. Even in my notes, I go, ooh, I like this guy better than I like that guy. Whatever. I always kind of keep that. When I got done watching the DBs, I was kind of like, eh.


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[Assistant] There's six that I know right away. Like I don't have to go flipping through my pages and go, oh, let me nitpick over four and seven and three and six. You know what I mean? Sure. I knew right away. I was like, uh, there's kind of five or six that kind of stand above the rest. And then there's a group that I go, I like, they're going to be good in the NFL.


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[Assistant] But they're not worthy of top 5 or top 40 pick in the draft consideration in my opinion.


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[Assistant] They're both really good players, right? They're really good players. There's not a lot of weakness to either one of them, right? They kind of do everything well, well. But I would also say there's nothing elite that either one does either, right? That's, that's the big problem. That to me, right? And here, here's like, we talk about context clues a little bit, right? Nick Saban likes to play man to man.


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[Assistant] Like when he has Patrick Surtain and those kind of corners, it's like in your face, man to man, a ton. He didn't want to play man to man with this group right here. They're not man to man type of corners. Nor do I, I don't think Tarion or Kool-Aid are really guys that you can trust on the outside on a consistent basis. I think they're both nickel corners.


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[Assistant] They're quicker than fast. Their change of direction skills are better than their ability to turn and run with the elite guys. Right? That's the biggest problem.


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[Assistant] Terion Arnold, you know, he tackles, right, he's got great technique, he's smart as hell, he's instinctive, he plays hard, right, I want him on my defense, I get it, but I don't want to take him as one of the top two or three corners off the board, definitely not, definitely not. He is not a guy that you're going to be able to, again,


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[Assistant] Trust as a first round corner. And when I think about that, I want to go wait. My first round corner can play anybody. It doesn't matter who it is. We're playing Amon Ra St. Brown. You can cover him. We're playing Brandon Ayuk. You can cover him, right? Hey, we're playing Justin Jefferson. You can cover him.


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[Assistant] That to me is a first round corner. Terryon Arnold is nickel only, let alone there is no way you can trust him on the outside versus the NFL elite. There's just no way.


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[Assistant] Not enough speed? There's just not enough speed. Exactly right. And even, like, the acceleration number is not bad, right, with the 154 and the 40, right?


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[Assistant] You know, on the film, it kinda looks like that as well, if not even a little less than that. But certainly not the same acceleration as some of the top guys in the draft that we just talked about. Definitely.


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[Assistant] Not the same class of top end speed of the guys we just talked about. And that ultimately is to me why he's not in my top five, but I think a really good player and wouldn't be shocked if he's starting somewhere next year, but I think he is a true nickel guy only.


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[Assistant] You can trust the speed. Exactly right. I think that's basically what it is. Right? And, you know, again, there's, you know, like I said,


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[Assistant] One of the things, right away, I just go, is he fast enough to play outside, right? Nothing really pops as far as explosiveness. You see zone, you see he's got good instincts, he understands route recognition, right? He's got very good eyes watching the quarterback drop and understanding, ooh, he took this drop, I'm getting ready for this route, whatever, right? He's tough, he tackles, he has very good hips.


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[Assistant] I mean, very good, right? He's the kind of guy like, oh, he's playing the slot receiver. The slot receiver releases vertically. He's running with them, you know, on the inside way. Now the guy cuts underneath them to run the in-cut and he can open up his hips and turn and run that way. And that stuff's great. All that stuff is really good.


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[Assistant] But it's against the NFL elite explosiveness that, you know, I would really worry about at the end of the day. I think that's the big thing that's gonna be. Total slot corner. No way I trust him on the outside. He tackles. He is smart.


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[Assistant] Knows D, knows where the help is, knows the O, what they're trying to do, right? I wrote, if he's a top corner, Bama would have played a lot more man coverage, I know that, right? And then I wrote, and to your point, one of the last things I wrote is, the LSU wide receivers were on another level than him athletically.


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[Assistant] He was playing his surgery on it. Yeaah, he just ran his 40 time. Alright, and his pro day.


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[Assistant] His, he's stronger, right? He's a little thicker looking. And honestly, I thought his change of direction and like burst were just a little bit better.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he can play outside on a consistent basis. I know strength wise and all that, he's going to be really good, right? You know, uhm, like I said, the ability to change direction.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I thought that was right up there with some of the best players in the strath. Got a body, I wrote, that's a lot like Xavier Howard, right? He's got incredible patience at the line of scrimmage. He always keeps himself in good positions according to the coverage and the formation.


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[Assistant] Movement, strength, acceleration, I like all of this. It's just the top end speed I wasn't sure about, right? Looks and s- and plays so much bigger than the other corner. Arnold, what I wrote too, right? He tackles, he t- he's tough.


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[Assistant] He's a slot guy, best in slot, top end, top end gear is missing, you know, I, I before, I watched this before he ran his 40, I wrote, I'm guessing he's a 4.5 I wrote, or a 4.4.8, right? He's definitely grabby when the receiver goes vertical, because he doesn't trust the speed, right? Uh, but, you know,


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[Assistant] Other than, and at this point, the Auburn kid, I had watched him, right? Other than the Auburn kid, some of the change of direction stuff is as good as anybody I had seen at that point, right? Uh, it's all about, he has it all except the elite speed. That was basically my big thing with him. But the elite speed is a real issue. And the fact that he ran,


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[Assistant] 4-4-7 at his pro day, right? You know my thought on that. You run 4-4-7 at the pro day, that probably means it's 4-5-5 at the combine. Maybe 4- Most teams put on a 10th.


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[Assistant] If you ran 4-4-7 in your pro day, that means you run 4-5-7 in the combine, right? Cause the computer is that much more on top of the movement and the finish line. So yeaah, those would be the things that worry me. But again, just like Terry on Arnold, except I like Kool-Aid and McHistory better, is that


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[Assistant] He is a really good player. He's gonna be ready day one. He can't play outside. He needs to be in the slot, but I wouldn't be shocked if he gets healthy in time that he'd be starting in the slot for somebody next year.


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[Assistant] Like, you could tell he knows, oh, it's this coverage, I got help here, or I don't have help here, right? I don't have help here, so the ball would be snapped and he'd go jump out on the shade to the side to go, like, I know I got nothing to help me here. Um, that's, you could tell stuff like that, right? I really like this kid a lot. And again, I think he's high second round.


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[Assistant] Uhm, between, again, the size, the body, the change of direction, the short area movements, acceleration and all that, uh, and again, it's not a first rounder to me, or anything like that, but I think we're talking, you know, second round for sure here.


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[Assistant] Well, like, you know, natural first off. He's kind of like a, to me he's a lot like Dax Hill, who came out of Michigan a few years ago.


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[Assistant] It's like, is he a nickel? He might be able to play some safety, do all of that, right? He's not really the guy you want to be on the outside. He's not big enough, nor does he have the top end speed.


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[Assistant] But again, like some of the guys we're talking about, like Kool-Aid we just talked about, the change of direction, the ability to flip the hips and all that, I mean it's elite. I mean he's smooth as hell.


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[Assistant] With all that stuff. Incredible feat, and because of his wide receiver background, he's got great, like, feel for the offense, and he knows how to play the ball and do all that, let alone he's got a knack just to find the ball and tackle people.


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[Assistant] Right? He's one of those guys. It's like, when I see a guy like that, I go, it's Ronde Barber-ish in the way. He just has a feel for the game. He does everything really damn well. And yea, to me, he's got like,


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[Assistant] The ability to be one of the better slots in all of football, right? Maybe mid to late second round I think is where I look at it.


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[Assistant] Something that is an elite trait that's valued in the draft quite as much as it till when you finally get in the NFL and people can see it on a yearly basis to go, well, damn this guy.


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[Assistant] Oof, he is this quick to cover all these jitterbugs inside and do all this crap. Like, I can't believe it, right? You know, so...


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[Assistant] There's great value, but not the same type of value again for the draft concerns or, or, or for how they, you're concerned with the draft or like for how they're valued in the NFL. The outside corner is still the place to go. I mean, that's still.


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[Assistant] The guys we voted for for all pro and all that.


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[Assistant] They're outside elite corners, the guys we talk about that are the best corners in football.


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[Assistant] Are on the outside, playing that position. You know, nickel's hard, don't get me wrong.


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[Assistant] Right, we know that. I mean, it's, it's, you're playing nickel man-to-man all game long. It's, you got the whole field to cut any way you want.


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[Assistant] But more times than not, Nickle is a little bit more about feel, tackle, oh you have help over here, you don't need to worry about doing that. It's a little different skill set that's involved, but some of the best hips in the draft with this guy. I mean his hips are incredible, right? His feet are incredible. His burst is really damn good, right? You know, his,


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[Assistant] His, his turning of the hips, the backpedal and drive on the football, all that. Like day one starting Nickelback.


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[Assistant] You can tell he's like a quarterback on the defense, communicating rules, doing all that, right? You know, takes on blocks for a guy that's 182 pounds, like, not afraid to mix it up in the run game to a different level compared to the other guys we're talking about at DB, right? Where you were like, shit.


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[Assistant] Nobody told him. He's 182. You're not supposed to take on that guard here. You're not supposed to do that. Maybe they should. Maybe they should tell him. Right? But it's just the size and straight p- speed were the only- the only negatives, right? And the speed isn't bad. It's just not ideal, again, for the elite corners in the NFL that you're talking about having to cover the elite receivers.


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[Assistant] You know, out of the ones we talked about, I mean of course I think those guys can start. Let alone the two Bama guys.


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[Assistant] There are a couple other guys we will talk about. Yeaah. You know.


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[Assistant] And then there's the other guys we're gonna talk about, some other guys too, got some like, I don't know if he's ultimately gonna be a corner, maybe he should be a safety, you know, it's a little bit of that.


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[Assistant] But like legitimately start, I'm gonna say out of this group, like week one starters out of all the corners we have, you're probably gonna get like four, maybe five, right? And then there's gonna be another group of, okay, hey, it's week four or five.


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[Assistant] We know he's better than Pyre starting in front of him. He might have a few things to learn. Let's throw him out there, right? Then you get that next wave of guys too.


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[Assistant] You know, I feel like it's probably that, you know, but a lot of contributors, I guess that's where I would say this is different. I think you have a lot of guys that can...


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[Assistant] He, he's definitely got some instincts and knows how to play the game. I don't know if he can play outside corner in the NFL. To me... Just the color of his skin. Well, you know that. No, but, but, you know, there's stuff to like. Of course I love his body. He's thick. He's strong. I think he is fast. He is. I mean, I think he is. You think he's not that fast.


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[Assistant] He's better at returning punts and looks faster doing that sometimes than he is covering receivers. Interesting. Okay, that's what I'll say. When he gets an interception, sometimes I go


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[Assistant] Where's that gear when the guy just ran the nine route before? Or whatever, like, where's that gear? Like, what the hell? The ball got in your hand, all of a sudden he's like, haaaah! And then I'm on a DB and I'm going, well, you just let this guy catch a five yard route, this guy just caught a ten yard route, why isn't it the same aggression?


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[Assistant] Attacking there. He's out of position. He should be a wide receiver. But, well, and you know, here's the biggest thing, and this is tough here, right?


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[Assistant] I do think he's more safety. I watched him and went, I think he's more Eric Weddle than Corner in the NFL. Or maybe he's Nickle with that safety hybrid type of thing, right? Cause he certainly has the build and the thickness and the physicality to tackle and be involved in that part of the game. Let alone, I think he's,


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[Assistant] Got the instincts to be nickel or safety. Again, I think the raw explosion on the outside, that would worry me, right? You know, one, he doesn't play quite as big and as strong as he is, right? I would worry about bigger receivers, right? Uh, he grabs way too much.


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[Assistant] To me, he was one of the grabbiest people in the draft as far as the corners, the top tier guys at least from what you talk about, right? That was another thing, right? Uhm, another where I'd go,


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[Assistant] Even play man that much at Iowa, right? And, and all coaches, if they have good mans or corners are just like, Hey, let's play man and we'll blitz or we'll do this. Right? So those are little things that definitely bothered me, but little tight in the hips, a little also heavy footed.


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[Assistant] And, and, you know, and getting in and out of brakes, there's definitely some extra steps there, right? Now, he's got pretty good acceleration coming out of the brakes, I will say that, and there's no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] But it's usually after I'm like, damn, that was like three little choppy steps he had to take to stop and then come break out where I want to go, the guy I watched, you know, DJ James or, you know, Nate Wiggins. I mean, it looks like, like how does their knee not blow out? They stick their foot in the ground so hard and just make one step and go out, right? So those are the little things, right?


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[Assistant] There's just a little lack of specialness. He's smart player, good ability, but it's not eye-popping. He does have great hands, right? But I wrote, I'm just not sure he's not, I'm not sure he's a corner full-time. He might be more Eric Weddell.


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[Assistant] You know. So maybe you should include them in your safety rankings. I know, it might be. Yeah, exactly right.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, another thing I was a little surprised with is, doesn't play the ball as well as I would have thought in some of the down the field situations. Like, for a guy that's got the ball skills that I know, if you put him on offense or his background and all that, that was a little surprising to me in that area too.


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[Assistant] Too many underwhelming plays, again, good player, don't want to say anything like that, but I, I, again, like, you know, I know, I've seen things where people say he's in the first round and I just want to go, you know, Chris Sims negative ghost rider on that one.


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[Assistant] You know, to me, like, I wrote down 65 to 85, right? That was where I kind of see it. More towards the end of the second, early third, I think ultimately is where he goes off the board. How about the Missouri guy? Enis Rakistraw? Yea, Enis Rakistraw. Enis Rakistraw is another one where I'm not so sure.


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[Assistant] He wants to hit, he wants to tackle, he wants to mix it up, he's got some attitude towards him, right? He's got all of that, but he is, he is, like, just not fast enough that you could trust him.


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[Assistant] Like Ricky Pearsall, he had no chance covering Ricky Pearsall. From Florida. Like none.


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[Assistant] There's other games where you look at it and go, ooh, he can't cover this guy here like this. I think he's ultimately like, and again, his ability to like, accelerate.


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[Assistant] Be aggressive, do all that. I like that, right? But he's an aggressive tackler, right?


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[Assistant] He wants to bump and run and get his hands on you, cause he knows he can win that. Cause he's hoping it doesn't become a track rate, or a track meet, right? Uhm.


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[Assistant] Awesome tackler, right? Talked about the foot in the ground, right? Got pretty good patience at the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] You know, really comfortable with all movements.


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[Assistant] And then like I said, the attitude, the intensity, right? There's like, he's got some C.J. Gardner Johnson attitude about him, right? Where you could tell he's gonna hit you, he's gonna let you know about it. If you don't get the first down, he's gonna let you know about it. Like all that type of stuff, right? You know, but like no way you could put him on the outside. To me, this is more nickel safety type of guy.


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[Assistant] Right? Nickel safety type of guy and nickel in certain situations, right? But like the guy, you want him on your defense, you know, because of that swagger, tough attitude that we talked about, right?


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[Assistant] You know, I just don't trust him in any situation versus man coverage. If he's in the nickel, I want him in zone, right? And then, of course, you know, at safety other than that. Uhm, but that's the big thing, and I think honestly he's probably, we're talking about third round when we get into that too.


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[Assistant] I think that's what their formula was. Challenge them at the line of scrimmage. Disrupt their looks a little bit.


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[Assistant] By the time the quarterback kind of waits on the guy or whatever, you know, Jared Verst is going to be knocking his head off and we'll get the sack, right? Or the, you know, the big white D tackle that kicked ass at the combine, right?


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[Assistant] Got a good look, longer type corner again. Didn't love his legs, right? I wish they were a little thicker in the thighs and all that. Like you just said, I love that he plays man and bump and run and all that. They're well coached.


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[Assistant] Right, that's where the LSU game is misleading a little bit.


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[Assistant] Cause like, and here, this is why I also like the LSU receivers, right? They only run like four routes for the most part. And their offense is pretty like...


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[Assistant] It's, it's pretty like telltale. If the guy's on the outside, he's gonna run a go route, or he's gonna run a six yard hitch, or he's gonna run a slant route.


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[Assistant] You know, Florida State's well coached, Renardo Green knew that, so I think it would look a little more competitive maybe than it should have been, let alone the ball, like we talked about, didn't go to neighbors a few times where you're like, he was open. It didn't, yeaah. That could have been, that could have been scary if they threw the ball to him there. Yeaah. Right? Uhm, yeaah, so I wrote, one of the things I wrote, I go, the LSU game's a little overrated, it's not what everybody thinks, right? You know, burst and acceleration is good, right? It's not wowing.


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[Assistant] You know, he's strong, but he lacks, again, the top end gear that I think we all look for at that position, right? And he's got a glaring tightness in his hips. That, to me, was the biggest thing. Let alone, you said, right, 200 and something snaps a press. I would, to me, he held more than any other corner I watched. I mean, he is a walking pass interference claw.


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[Assistant] He is definitely going to have an adjustment period there to his game, because yeaah, it was physical, it was in your face, all that, but I mean, there are so many...


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[Assistant] More Seattle 3-ish type of guy. That's kinda how I would look at him again. Right? You know.


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[Assistant] Tightness in the hips, doesn't flip the hips all that well, right? When he has to change direction or restart, it's a little underwhelming. He's a little bit of a straight liner that way. Uh, a little bit heavy, clunky footed type of guy.


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[Assistant] He does have a very good jam. Like I said, strong Seattle three-ish, you know, verse bigger, not real quick wide receivers. He will match up really well.


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[Assistant] No, I, you know, I think with him, right, I mean again, he's got a contract that's, you know, 19 million a year, and he's getting paid towards the top of the market, right?