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[Assistant] I know, I almost did. The funny thing about that is we were on the track, it was like an hour before they're running the derby, and we wanted to show where they all finish, and each and every Kentucky Derby winner is finished right here. I can remember it word for word still.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but the tractors wanted to go and clean up the track. And so an official from the Churchill Downs came up to us and was like, when are you doing this? And I was like, I think it's like in a minute or two. Is that going to be okay? I don't want to screw up the Kentucky Derby. That's fine. Make sure you get out of here fast.


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[Assistant] Uh, here too. I wanna start it off, cause, uh, I didn't know it was episode 500 until yesterday. Yeah. And so, you know me, I like to write some poems to signify some events. Right. Add unbuttoned, we have a knack.


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[Assistant] The circus of hosts that you've had. Yes. Uhm, so, uh, Distinct Alerts says 500 episodes from now we will be talking about Geritol and Icy Hot.


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[Assistant] You think no doubt, looking at his numbers as accomplishments, he should be in the hall.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think you will. So if you can't do it, your dad doesn't want you to do it. If he's not gonna do it, it's gotta be me. I've gotta put it upon my shoulders.


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[Assistant] To do this. Get your dad into the hall of fame. We'll give you that job. That's my job. Now, uh, we're going to save some of these, uh, other ones for a little later on, but I do want to throw this one out there from our friend Derbeobachter.


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[Assistant] He's our man. The schedule's not quite out yet. No. It's coming out Thursday. If you're listening to this on Thursday, the schedule's out. Go check it out. But we're doing this on Wednesday. Uh, and this is what we know so far. We know the International Games. Yes, yes. Week 4 Falcons-Jaguars in London.


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[Assistant] Week 5, Jaguars, Bills in London. Week 6, Ravens, Titans in London. And then we got the two Germany games. Week 9, Dolphins, Chiefs in Germany. And then week 10, Colts, Patriots in Germany.


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[Assistant] Some iconic franchises in Germany. You're welcome, Durr. But we get that Dolphins Chiefs game that Tyreek Hill returned to Arrowhead is going to be in Germany instead.


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[Assistant] Why so much? Do you think eventually the long-term play is getting a team somewhere in Europe? Definitely. You really do.


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[Assistant] Pretty good. And there's some other notable games too. So Pete, are these, were these released on Twitter? The league hasn't released anything yet, but- I don't know if the-


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[Assistant] Yeah, they just snuck out throughout the morning. Like, Schefters getting in there. Right.


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[Assistant] Now I got some football to watch. I'm excited about it. Three o'clock Eastern. So that's cool. I know they had to have it a little earlier because they have that. They don't want to conflict with Friday night football. I think it's a long standing. It is exactly right.


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[Assistant] Also on Christmas Day, uh, Giants at Eagles, and Pete is telling me the teams have released some of these, so it's not all just Shepter poking around. And then week 17, Bengals at Chiefs, uh, that is the New Year's Eve game on CBS. So where's our first big game? When are we starting to release ours?


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[Assistant] Who knows what that could be. Exactly, right. So, that should be cool. You don't have to work on Christmas it doesn't look like, right? Cause we don't have the Christmas game. That's a Monday night, and so it's an ESPN game. I, I, I hope so.


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[Assistant] This is what we do. There are sacrifices. Yes, we are watching sports and, you know, cheering and wearing my red pants, talking to Chris Sims, but there are certain sacrifices that also other people make too that are not in sports and I realize that. Alright, Sims Top 40 Quarterback Countdown Preview.


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[Assistant] This is time. Uh, I think we want to start with looking back at last year. And just seeing where all the chips were last year. You had Josh Allen as number one. You had Patrick Mahomes as number two. You had Justin Herbert as number three. You had Joe Burrow as number four. And I'm gonna say, I'm gonna look at this.


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[Assistant] Say whatever you want. I'm gonna say you, like maybe the order has changed in the top four. Yeah. But I'm gonna say those, anyone who watched football last year, I think those were the top four quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] So let's set this up. We'll take another look at this, uh, as we go. But let's set this up. And for those who may be new to The Sims Top 40 Quarterback Countdown, which started what? Seven years ago now?


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[Assistant] If they're on just a average team, neutral team, neutral play caller, you don't even know the play caller. You don't even know his teammates. This is if we had a quarterback draft for one year and one year only. This is not taking them for this year and you have them for the next five years. No, this is just you have a quarterback for one year and then at the end of this year, we're going to redraft the quarterbacks again so you don't even get to keep them.


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[Assistant] Oh, 100%. Oh well, exactly, and you would want that because you're taking a quarterback for this year only, you would have to gauge whether that last year for this one guy was going to be indicative of what he's going to do this year, or if you trust more the body of work of this other guy, even though it may be diminishing.


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[Assistant] There have been a whole lot of quarterbacks changing teams, which is really not going to be a part of this evaluation, but it will matter in how these quarterbacks produce and look, and how they looked last year maybe. It's the hardest year ever, Amin. I've never had a harder time. Why do you say that?


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[Assistant] Quarterbacks you may not have to consider. Yeah. Well, Tom Brady, for sure. We don't have that dust up anymore. That's one thing you won't have to sweat every year.


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[Assistant] Uh, Matt Ryan doesn't look like he'll be in the NFL. Carson Wentz, we don't know. He was 19 last year. So Matt Ryan was 14. Tom Brady was 8. I don't know about, you know, especially Tom Brady and Ryan, but Carson Wentz, who knows where he's gonna be.


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[Assistant] So I mentioned the guys who have changed teams. Aaron Rodgers, he was 5 last year for you, going to the Jets. Obviously Derek Carr, he was 11 last year, going to the Saints. Baker Mayfield, since you made the rankings, went from Cleveland to Carolina to the Rams, now with Tampa.


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[Assistant] Jimmy Garoppolo has gone to the Raiders. He was 20th last year for ya. Marcus Mariota, I think another player that you were kinda hinting on here.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's tough to rank. He was in Atlanta and now with the Eagles as a backup. Sam Darnold over in San Francisco. He was 32 last year. And finally Gardner Minshew who was at 37 last year now is in Indianapolis now.


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[Assistant] The changing of teams shouldn't affect the ranking for you that much, right? It really, it's team independent, these rankings. The only thing I'll say is how it could affect the ranking for them is if these other teams ask them to do things that...


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[Assistant] Are different and they succeed in that, right? Like more evidence of, like if we see, you know, Baker Mayfield go to Tampa and he's playing and all of a sudden no risket, no biscuit and we're like, oh wow, this is the best Baker Mayfield we have seen. He's able to display some of his talents. Well, that may show up in your ranking next year.


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[Assistant] It doesn't mean you're gonna change your ranking next year because you still think the things that produced some of those numbers was sum of two, uh, but also what was around it. And we're stripping what's around it.


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[Assistant] And it really takes nothing away from those quarterbacks like 2 of 4 executing, right? In those situations, right? You still have to do it, you still have to get it done. Yes, maybe other quarterbacks could have similar results, but you still gotta do it. No, there's still a lot of merit to do it.


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[Assistant] 6 quarterbacks on your top 40 signed big time extensions in the offseason. First it was Kyler Murray, uh, in July actually, uh, number 12, so that was right after your rankings came out. And then, uh, Russell Wilson in September, he was at 7.


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[Assistant] Gino Smith at 33. He got that in March. Daniel Jones got that big extension. He was at 21 last year for you. Jalen Hertz at 25 for you last year. Got his big extension in April. And then just recently Lamar Jackson who was at 10 for you. The Ravens like, we don't want to let him go. He got that big time extension. So let's bring up the top 40 again from last year.


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[Assistant] A chance to get a uh, a victory lap in here. Yeah. Which ranking are you most proud of? Or a couple of rankings are you most proud of? Gosh.


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[Assistant] You know, in Jimmy Garoppolo at 20, you have basically since they were in the Super Bowl, he has been in the same spot. Matt Casey was here. Just every year you just start with 20. 19, 20, 21, he's hit them all there. But you've, you've held steady depending off the teams.


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[Assistant] Great, not great, if he's performing, not performing, you've just held steady and I think that is, that speaks to the whole exercise.


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[Assistant] Where... It was almost immediate, like week one or two you were calling him feeble already. Right? I mean it was... I was like, Matt couldn't listen to the podcast. Careful.


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[Assistant] When you, when you're right, they almost seem obvious, right? It's like, because a lot has happened and we've seen it now. It's just like Josh Allen, right? Right. It's like, everyone's like, okay, although maybe it's trending in the other way. Now I think, I feel like there's more hate now coming towards Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] But for a while there last year when they were in the playoffs with Patrick Mahomes and then you had Josh Allen number one. There are a lot of people like, I can see that over Patrick Mahomes, which a year before would have been crazy. But when you made that statement that he was going to be awesome, it was at a time when


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[Assistant] Sure, sure. Or listen to the pod, cause I think you're right. A lot of people think it's a career achievement list or yeaah, it's not that. Nothing with contracts or anything like that. Alright, so we will start this on Monday. Monday. And we are starting from the bottom.


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[Assistant] And now we're here. Starting at the bottom, now we're here. We're gonna go to the top, you know. Unlike the draft rankings where we went top to bottom, we're gonna go bottom to top. Bottom to top. So 40 through 35 or whatever. I think we're gonna do some tiers here too. We're gonna do tiers this year for the first time ever. Yep. Introducing that. Right. And when we do have these discussions on the quarterbacks too, it'll be more than just where they are in this ranking. It'll also be a


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[Assistant] Bigger discussion of their team and what's around them and maybe what's changed and so it'll be a holistic discussion on each quarter.


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[Assistant] Uh, to further celebrate episode number 500 now, we transition to Sims 500 Trivia. So this is for you and me.


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[Assistant] These ones, I just saw the first one and I'm like, uh oh. And I've already said I'm terrible, so I've only upside, you have only downside. Uh, so here we go. Who are the four quarterbacks with 500 or more career passing touchdowns?


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[Assistant] Matt Ryan's sneaky. You look at Matt Ryan's numbers, he's prob- like his numbers- It's up there in everything. Like Hall of Famer. It's top ten of all things. I know. It doesn't feel like it, but it probably is. Uh, trivia number two.


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[Assistant] And three have 500 or more wins. So I'm gonna, Patriots got to, right? Patriots have. Although they were bad for a long time.


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[Assistant] Three of these five kickers have 500 or more career made field goals. Which three?


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[Assistant] You got Adam Vinatieri, Gary Anderson, Jason Hansen, oh my guy, in Detroit, John Carney, Morton Anderson. Oh, I love all those kickers. Those are all great names. I'm gonna say Vinatieri. Okay, hold on, slow down. Okay. Don't pull me down into your- We know Vinatieri. We know Vinatieri, correct.


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[Assistant] Morton Anderson for sure. I would think so. I'm with you. I would think so. Vinatieri's got $5.99, Morton Anderson $5.65. Now, what do you want to do here? What do you think? Like, what do you think? I want to go to Gary Anderson. I do too. Right? Was Gary, was he a Falcon?


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[Assistant] Yes. Yes. Good job. 538. So my guy, Jason Hansen, 494. He needs to come out of retirement. Geez. Just missed. John Carney, 478. All right. Two more trivia questions. We've gotten two of them so far. Pete, what if, what happens if we get four or five? Is there any, uh, prize?


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[Assistant] I almost, my gut's telling me it's the Washington Incarnations football team.


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[Assistant] They were amazing. It's amazing, like yeaah, Jim Brown. Yeaah. It is amazing, they've been so bad for so long. It just shows you how good they were back in the day.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying, I'm just saying, they move a little bit. Alright, last one. Five of these seven active quarterbacks have thrown for 500 or more passing yards in a game. Which five? So here are the seven quarterbacks. Five have


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[Assistant] I think, I'm remembering, I feel like Derek Carr had one of those games. I believe so too. I'm going to say Derek Carr too. I'm going to go with you. So two for two so far, Stafford through for 520 in a game in 2011 versus the Packers.


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[Assistant] And the final game of that season. Oh, it was the Matt Flynn game. And then Derek Carr in 2016 versus the Bucks through for 513. Right.


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[Assistant] Correct. That is good. 502 in 2020 versus Cleveland. Okay. Alright, now it gets


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[Assistant] I think you're right. By like two years ago. I think you're right. I think we, right? It was 2021 versus the Ravens, 525. Okay. So now we just have one more.


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[Assistant] And I think, I don't, it's Aaron Rodgers, it's Jared Goff, and it's Patrick Mahomes. I feel like Jared Goff had a 500 yard.


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[Assistant] You're right, 480 is his career high. Okay, and then- So it's Goth and Mahomes. I don't- Two greatest quarterbacks in the-


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[Assistant] That was, that was, uh, we got, uh, three of the five, I think. So, uh, well done. Well done to me riding your coattails on the, uh.


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[Assistant] We did it together, man. Alright, let's finish off with some Ask Me Anything questions. We'll get to a few of these, and of course we will sprinkle these throughout the quarterback ranking discussion, too. Oh, of course. Yea, we're not gonna stop talking about the rest of the NFL. Uhm, so, we, uh, let's go to, uhm, Cowboys. Nick Depanfilis.


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[Assistant] Got that perfectly. What else does Dallas need to do to narrow the gap between the Eagles and 49ers? Love your show. Thank you buddy. I appreciate that. Dallas between the Eagles and 49ers.


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[Assistant] This is a team where the schedule could be very interesting and you talk about this every year about getting out to a good start or not. I feel like there's so much pressure on Dak Prescott coming into this year that a 3-1 starter or 4-0 start would go a long way towards easing some of those concerns.


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[Assistant] Good question though. Homies are smart. They know how important the offensive line is. And this question from FC is about the O-line. He says, who has improved their O-line the most over the draft and free agency? So while you were giving that last answer, I was looking up a few things. Of course Orlando Brown goes over to Cincinnati. The Bengals from the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the draft, yeaah, some of the teams that took the, you know, of course, Paris Johnson went early, he was the first offensive lineman off the board to the Cardinals, and then the Bears got Darnell Wright, they were trying to beef up their offensive line, did a good job of that.


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[Assistant] Titans got Peter Skoronsky from Northwestern in the first round, and then the Steelers the first round offensive tackle from Georgia, Broderick Jones. Yea, right.


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[Assistant] Cincinnati. Talked about a couple of those offensive linemen the Steelers got. Maybe that helps Najee Harris. And Cower Power asks you.


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[Assistant] Do you think the Steelers are being overlooked? I know it's a tough conference and division, but I like what they have done this off season, and I am biased. So just, thank you, Cowher Power, just admitting it, if your handle did not do that already, for where your biases lie.


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[Assistant] So this is funny, we go from the Steelers to the Chargers, we go from one team that finished 9 and 8, we're like, how did they finish 9 and 8? They were not that good. Right. To the Chargers who were 10 and 7, be like, dang, they got a team of studs.


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[Assistant] How are they only 10 and 7? I do know they had some injuries last year. A ton of injuries. And they couldn't stop the run. Jacob Morris says, as a Chargers fan, I know we have a terrible run defense, but I don't have enough football knowledge to understand why. Is Dan Henley, that linebacker who was number one in the Chris Sims ranking and linebacker, gonna help at all or are we still going to struggle to stop the run?


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[Assistant] Oh, in the top. Oh, okay. So out of the 32 teams, only 8 advance. And it wouldn't be necessarily 4-4-4.


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[Assistant] It's like Champions League football. It's making sense to me now. It's like, if you're familiar with Champions League football, that's what they do. They play home and away, and they go aggregate score, which determines who advances.


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[Assistant] That last game between Houston and the Colts, right, determined a whole bunch of things going forward and it was better to lose a game. It should never be better to lose a game in the national football.


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[Assistant] Given you, Chris Sims, saw that Mahomes was going to be a generational talent in the draft, why wasn't he at a better college? E.g. Oklahoma, Alabama, A&M, or the Longhorns. So he went to Texas Tech. He was on a bad team.


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[Assistant] Making a highlight tape, right? Had some bad plays in there. It's a lot of stuff. Exactly right. He was a three-star recruit, but his senior season, he had 4,600 passing yards.


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[Assistant] 50 touchdowns, he had 948 rushing yards and 15 rush touchdowns. He was ranked the 12th best dual threat quarterback after those numbers.


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[Assistant] For Jets, the debate rages on, at least for KD Raps 5, says, would you rather have Sauce Gardener and Garrett Wilson or Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith and Jigba? So, the guys from last year with the Jets or the new guys, the new kids on the block over with the Seahawks?


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[Assistant] How about a debate between the Seahawks and Ravens? Throw that into the mix here. Patrick Cipher says which team has a better shot at winning a ring this year? The Seahawks or the Ravens?


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[Assistant] This is good. This is good. This one comes from Connor McGinnis. He goes, if one current NFL player had to replace Chris for one episode.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me look here. There aren't that many. I'm going through your top 40 from last year and I'm like going down the list and you know who it would be? It would be Baker Mayfield probably.


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[Assistant] Oh, we have a pizza question too that we can end with, so let's get that one in just so if there's anyone in Bergen County, New Jersey. Okay, what up Jimmy D?


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[Assistant] As we wrap up episode number 500. Wow, still can't believe you've done 500 of these.


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[Assistant] Goon left tackle gonna mess you up. Joey Porter Jr. come over the middle. Goon gonna mess you up.


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[Assistant] That was good. I was in Virginia last week. I was with some family, yeaah. But I listened on the way back to you and Connor talking about the offensive lineman and I was shocked. It was like an hour and a half and you talked about 10 dudes. I know. We got a lot in. We definitely did. Connor's a drill sergeant here. He did. He kept it


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[Assistant] This is a pot of big butts. We got a tweet here from JB Tweets who said, not a question, but Ahmed, the homies cannot last until September for big butts. Not to mention, what else is Ahmed going to do this summer? This is literally the only thing he does.


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[Assistant] It's all part of our play on words here. So, so we will talk about the butts. And we've talked about the edge butts already. Created a stir there a little bit, but we're going to talk about the big, the real big butts, the DTs.


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[Assistant] A two gapper, a two gapper. We're gonna talk about that, we're gonna talk about three technique and some of the terms that go along with these guys too. But before we do any of that, Peter had a good idea. Let's play the song. We don't often hear this.


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[Assistant] So if you're watching on Peacock or YouTube, you saw us jamming out to that, right? Chris was checking his phone, but I was kind of bobbing my head here. And you know who else might bob their head to that? Yeah. Bill Belichick and Nick Saban. Well, you know that. Friend of the pod.


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[Assistant] Kevin Clark. Oh, I thought you were going to say Belichick and Saban. They're all probably friends of the bod, right? I'm sure they all listen. This is what Kevin Clark tweeted. He goes, Kirby Smart said at a coaching clinic that Nick Saban taught him that Bill Belichick goes to the combine to scout players with huge A's. Yes, that's right.


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[Assistant] So it seems like, yea, it might be easy to identify which players are going to stand out because you just go by and you get the tape measure out and you measure the butt here. But some guys do slip through the cracks, and so instead of kind of looking at the consensus from the last few years, I compiled a list. Two lists, in fact.


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[Assistant] Is the Big Butt Bonanza. Right. Players who slipped in the draft and ended up being very, very good. Okay. And also the Big Butt Bust. So let's start with the good. Okay. Before we get into the bad here. Alright. And I just went back through recent history here. We're talking.


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[Assistant] 2015, basically. And so if you're watching on YouTube and Peacock, you can see.


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[Assistant] You know, Sebastian Joseph Day. Yeah. Otto Rutgers. Sixth round guy was awesome with the Rams. Awesome. Played with the Chargers last year. Uh, 2016. You got DJ Rita. Reader. Yeah. Fifth round guy. Grady Jarrett. A fifth round guy. A couple guys from Clemson there. Javon Hargrave. You talked about him. The million dollar multi-million dollar man. He was a third rounder in 2016.


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[Assistant] Rayquan Davis out of Alabama, you got Delvin Tomlinson. You also got Osa.


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[Assistant] I don't even know how to. Odijazua. Odijazua. Right. Odijazua. And he kinda showed up on my radar when I was looking through some of the numbers. A Dallas Cowboys guy who started all 17 games I believe last year was a big part of it. Undersized, freaky numbers of the combine, right? Third round guy and then at the bottom of the list you have Chris Jones who dropped to the second round somehow.


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[Assistant] Some of the all-time guys too, you got Gino Atkins, who was a fourth-rounder, uh, was a two-time all-pro, eight-time pro bowler for the Bengals. He's like the opposite, he's too small, a little quick.


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[Assistant] Of course he's a baller, was a baller. And then all time, underrated, undrafted, John Randall. Oh, six times All Pro Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you had an early anchor as one of the best players and it was hard for a lot of people to get off of that.


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[Assistant] But what it showed me is that a lot of the players, the defensive tackles that go at the top of the first round have pretty much panned out. Maybe they haven't been super superstars, but they've been useful cogs for a long, long time.


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[Assistant] Even a guy like Dan Wilkinson, uh, from the Bengals, you know, he's number one overall player. Never was a pro bowler, never all pro, but he played a ton of years and had like 50 some sacks and still was a very breaking player.


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[Assistant] Good for a while. So that is, uh, our recent history on some of those guys as I transition. What was your favorite butt of all those guys? Just, you know.


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[Assistant] Who is your favorite butt of all of them? I mean, we know who that is.


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[Assistant] Just to kind of go over this, and so if you're watching, it'll be a little bit easier, but we'll try to explain it as well. You're going to hear, oh, this is a three technique guy, or this is a nose tackle, or this is a three-four defensive end. Right, right. So what are the differences here, and we'll show the picture as well, but kind of as you think about these guys, and their roles in those positions too, what do you think?


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[Assistant] That's perfect. So as we go through some of these players for this year, we'll be able to identify if he's nose tackle, three technique, maybe more outside. Because I think the guys that you have here,


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[Assistant] They're interesting, specifically the top three and probably all five of them are, do things a little bit differently. They're not the same kind of type and build. Uhm, so overall as a class this year in 2023, uhm, we had two first rounders last year.


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[Assistant] We had Jordan Davis at 13 to the Eagles. He had Devontae Wyatt, end of the first round of the Green Bay Packers. Both should have been top 10 picks.


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[Assistant] You look at some mock drafts or some big boards and maybe four guys could go in the first round. It could be less than that. You got three maybe at the end of the first round. I don't know. What was your overall impression of this group?


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[Assistant] Let's do it. Let's get into your rankings. 2023 defensive tackle. And so the last time I was with you, we talked about edge and we created some waves.


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[Assistant] Top defensive guy off the board, top five pick in the NFL, and clearly the best defensive tackle. Are we ready to make waves again when you see things differently than the rest of the NFL, Chris? Right.


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[Assistant] When you're watching him, you're saying that you don't know that you've seen anyone who's put a better tape out there.


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[Assistant] We'll get into where we think he might be drafted here in just a second because that's a different discussion in and of itself. But yea, 6'3", 314 pounds. He turned 22 this month. He was a five-star recruit out of Florida. A freak out of Florida. A freak out of Florida. Never heard of that. Right. Played basketball, weight lifted to show you some of his athletic and power.


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[Assistant] Because it looked like he totally ruins offenses whenever he's out there, quick off the ball, unblockable.


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[Assistant] And at no point when you're watching him, are you like, he's not gonna make the play here. Ooh, it barely made the play. It was like, he just totally blows plays up. He blows them up, and then...


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[Assistant] So you go off film, obviously. You don't know anything else. You're not interviewing these prospects. Imagine we'd like to bring them in here to NBC Sports, sit them down, every one of them, and do a 30 minute interview with them. They have not agreed to that. So there are issues with Jalen Carter in case you're unfamiliar. Some off the field issues charged with a misdemeanor of reckless driving and racing related to that January 15th accident that killed his teammate and a staffer there at Georgia.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so he's got legal issues happening off the field and also, uhm, on the field.


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[Assistant] He gained nine pounds from the combine. Couldn't finish his position drills as his pro day. We have some video of his pro day and everyone who saw it was there was like, well, that was, that was disappointing to see. Yeah. Well, they shouldn't have done it.


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[Assistant] This guy right here. So let's get to it. The bet MGM first defensive player drafted because the way you're talking about him, if someone likes him as much as you like him.


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[Assistant] He could go. Yeah, he could go. Even higher than we're talking Seattle here. So, the numbers for BetMGM look like this, and this is a question from Brant Part, uh, Partial as well.


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[Assistant] Now that you have watched Jalen Carter fully, is he the slam dunk top defensive player off the board ahead of Tyree Wilson? So right now, according to the odds, it is Will Anderson, still the favorite to go.


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[Assistant] As the first defensive player off the board, wherever that is, three, four, five. Um, and then after that it's Tyree Wilson.


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[Assistant] at plus 500 and then you got Jalen Carter who I do think at times people thought he could be the top defensive player off the board that had some of the off the field issues and the legal issues and so that has dropped him down.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess just first comment on the odds here and how high could Jalen Carter go?


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[Assistant] Uhm, and a lot of chatter too with the Arizona Cardinals perhaps trading out of that three spot overall. Yeah, sure. Well, they got a lot of holes on their roster, so that makes sense. Still get a good defensive player. Right. The action never stops, said BetMGM. I didn't know if you knew that, Chris. Sign up now. I didn't know that. Using the bonus code SIMS, your first wager, risk free, up to $1,000.


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[Assistant] That's the one maybe question on the guy. Alright, I went by it because you say you watch the tape and you don't have many concerns, but maybe there are still people who do have these concerns. So Bryce Anderson asked you, I've heard people say that Jalen Carter takes plays off. What's your concern love?


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[Assistant] Maybe it's, it's different that way. A slam dunk, number one defensive tackle in the eyes of Chris Sims, one of the best he has ever scouted on tape. Jalen Carter, number one in his own tier. In his own tier. And also in his own tier is your number two defensive tackle. So just one man in tier two, and that man is? That is Kalijah


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[Assistant] It's, it's crazy. Identical here. I think we have something, Christian, a little later down here. So the 40-yard dash was a 4-6-7.


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[Assistant] Which was a combined record for a defensive tackle, by the way. I mean, he's only 282. I mean, no big deal. It was a hundredth of a second faster than Aaron Donald also went to Pitt. And so it's like they go to the same college. Their builds are almost identical.


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[Assistant] They have some of the same deficiencies with size and maybe arm length, but it hasn't hurt Aaron Donald and I guess you don't think it's gonna hurt Kancy as well. No, I don't.


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[Assistant] That's a lot of balance. It's probably a lot of core strength. Of course it is. So, but there are concerns though. What about the size? And the Aaron Donald, like yeah, what if he's the next Aaron Donald, but what if he's the next other


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[Assistant] Why is Kancy any different? Guy gets blown off the line in the run game.


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[Assistant] Jolly Drew boy. He goes, do you think it makes sense for Kancy to drop a little weight and move to Ed?


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[Assistant] So last thing on Kancy, he goes maybe middle, end of the first round in your eyes, but definitely as you just mentioned there to a team that values what he can do and has a defense designed to accommodate a player like you.


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[Assistant] A first round talent in Kalaja Kancy, as well as our number one guy in Carter. Now we move on to another tier. Yeah. Tier number three. You got a couple players in this tier. So just a notch below those first two guys you've talked about, but your number three defensive tackle is... Brian Bruzy from Clowns.


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[Assistant] Exactly, and he's athletic and he can move around. I was surprised when he was, you know, listed at 6'5", almost 300, because he moves smoother than that. He does look like a big guy out there. He dwarfs some of the guys he's going up against, but almost when you see him run, and you see it a little bit here, but


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[Assistant] You see it with pads on. Like at times I'm like, man, he moves around kinda like a...


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[Assistant] Quickly, he was the number one recruit out of high school, so he's come with a lot of praise. Three year starter at Clemson, but he didn't play a whole lot. He had a ton of injuries. I think he had a shoulder injury at one time. Yes, an ACL injury, a kidney infection. He missed some time after his sister passed away from brain cancer, and so his college


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[Assistant] And so you really haven't seen that consistent, you know, a bunch of games in a row, but when he's been out there.


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[Assistant] He's, he's been good and he's, where you have him is where a lot of people have him. He is the top, one of the top defensive tacklers.


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[Assistant] But you know who's throwing some cold water on him? Yeah, go ahead, let me hear it. PFF. Yeah. They're throwing some, normally we do that. Okay. That's what we do. He's not, he doesn't go without. They're infringing on our territory. How dare they? Uh, they say, quote, uh, Brazil's tape is like a broken record. He throws hands, uh, both hands into the linemen across from him and sits there waiting for something to happen. Cause he's doing what? What is that?


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[Assistant] That's what he's supposed to do. He was asked to be in two-gap. Yeah. Right? Read that quote again one more time. He, uh, throws both hands into the lineman across from him, sits there waiting for something to happen. That's exactly, yeah. Maybe that's exactly what the coach said.


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[Assistant] Football? Come on, don't everybody go crazy about this stuff sometimes. I mean, that's really interesting though. And that's something that you've touched on the last couple of times we've done this is that you can kind of identify when teams put their guys in tough spots and give them difficult assignments and they may not look good. And yes, as opposed to maybe like a guy like Will Anderson who had some stunts where he comes free and unblocked and you know, it's just, it's what the coach asked him to do.


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[Assistant] There's more to it than that. Let's stay in Tier 3.


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[Assistant] Let's go to your number four, defensive tackle. Let's go to the big ten for this. Woah! Let's go to, let's go to Michigan, why don't we? I'm just gonna put you right there. I'm gonna force you to do this, even if you didn't plan on doing this. Maze and Blue! Yeah, Maze and Blue!


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[Assistant] Uhm, we do have, there is an arrest with him too, and we don't really get into this, but just something that could be talked about with him as we get closer to the draft. Last October he was stopped by police.


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[Assistant] For speeding arrested for possessing a concealed weapon without a valid carry license.


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[Assistant] But back to the, uh, the specimen that he is.


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[Assistant] We gotta show you this, because Michigan has this thing, and Pete was telling me about this before we started, called the Combo Twist Machine. Measures a player's rotational strength.


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[Assistant] And then Smith, he maxed it out at 600 pounds. They had to have the manufacturer extend the machine to accommodate 800 pounds. And so he does this combo twist. He does jumping on these stairs. I think this is the combo twist machine right here.


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[Assistant] We got one more player to go here. This is tier 4. We don't often go down to tier 4 in your top 5, but this is tier 4.


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[Assistant] Your number five defensive tackle is...


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[Assistant] He was a Combine star, so his Octagon will show that here, and PFF says, quote, his first step is a blur, one of the most explosive defensive tackles you will ever see, and I think he is the fastest player ever to record a 40 time, or the


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[Assistant] The heaviest player ever to record a 40 time over under four, five, as I think it was at the, at the combine. He's just one of the fastest, biggest dudes out there. And yes, his.


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[Assistant] Octagon shows that, height, 4th percentile, but everything else is above 50% and the broad jump and the 40 are in the 90th percentile, hand size, 90th percentile. So yea, he was, he was a Combine star, he was really the talk of day one, I think. Yea, he was, it was the first day.


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[Assistant] Uhm, quickly we'll get into some of the Robin Hoods and then we also do have some breaking news too. Don't look at it, don't look at it. Damn, really? Don't look at it? Yeah, don't look at it yet. Damn, that's killing me. Uhm, so here is a honorable mention. Let's take a look at those with also a comment from ya boi El Rey. Okay. Our famous homie here.


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[Assistant] Uh, Chris believes that having bigger defensive tackles is a winning formula in the NFL, but why don't more teams take that approach?


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[Assistant] Uh, are there any F up the play guys my Niners can take at the end of the third. So we'll get into some of these Robin Hood guys. Yeah. But you do have a couple undersized. We just talked about one defensive tackles and on this podcast, a lot of times you say, yeah, this team has a lot of the.


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[Assistant] No surprise, you have a lot of SEC guys, a lot of talent that, uh, conference. Uh, Jaquayan Roy from LSU. Have we talked about a big 12 guy?


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[Assistant] On NFL.com they say the more you watch, the more you like the way that Roy plays the game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, some places have him as the edge guy, but he's most disruptive when attacking from the interior. So they think the same thing. It doesn't look 273, it looks bigger than that. And of course he plays a lot stronger than that. You have another Byron Young in your Robin Hood category here. The guy from Tennessee, you liked.


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[Assistant] And just to show how deep your research goes, you went all the way to the Mac, you went to Bowling Green, and you looked at Carl Brooks and you liked what you saw.


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[Assistant] Robin Hoods, time for the breaking news. Oh, I just saw it. You ready? Yep, let's do it. We need the noise.


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[Assistant] Ladies and gentlemen, the Eagles and Jalen Hurts have agreed to a five-year, $255 million extension, $100 million guaranteed at signing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and a lot of it is what makes sense for our team in the way they're currently constructed, right? The Eagles obviously are going to try to lean on some of these draft picks because if you're spending 50 million on a quarterback, that was one of the big advantages for the Eagles, right? We're paying a million to our quarterback who functions in this offense very, very well and is a perfect fit for what we're trying to do here and what we're able to do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so now the calculus changes for them, and you wonder what that prevents them from doing, but...


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[Assistant] They're sitting pretty still. They're a smart team and they've got some cheap labor elsewhere.


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[Assistant] Yeah, does this make it easier or harder for them to get a deal done? With Lamar.


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[Assistant] Chauncey Gardner Johnson, where does that go? Chauncey Gardner Johnson's an awesome player.


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[Assistant] Oh baby, that's right. It's Chris Sims on Button. We're here. Ahmed Fareed, that's Psycho Detroit Lions fan. Yes, he is here. That's right. All you gotta do is when you listen to this podcast, you ask a question and you shall receive. You pray to the gods. You want Chelsea Gardner Johnson? No problem. You ask for it on the Chris Sims on Button podcast.


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[Assistant] You get it. See, Dan Campbell was listening. Yeah. He was like, let's let, oh, Ahmed wants it. Let's make them happy.


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[Assistant] Let's get it done. Now, Ahmed Farid is here in Dyke. Double, double whammy Detroit Lions hoodie. Got a little zip down to show the gray t-shirt underneath and the red pants today. Damn. And a matching


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[Assistant] Pro football talk show and all that. And I realized, wow, awesome. Like fits your team. You need secondary players. You got him along with Sutton.


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[Assistant] Right? I think Will Harris too. Mosley. Emmanuel Mosley, right? And then we talked about draft. I think that's a real possibility too. So that was a good signing. Free agency, free agency still going on. We are in the land of one year deals now, pretty much.


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[Assistant] You know, guys who are going to wait it out and teams are going to evaluate their roster and then they're going to see if they get signed by anybody. Uh, so we'll continue to hit on all free agency news, but you know what time it is. Oh my gosh. It's draft time. It's quarterback.


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[Assistant] This is very, so thank you. That's nice of you to say. Uh, well, it's certainly, um, yeah, we'll start off the conversation of


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[Assistant] You know, the quarterbacks, the quarterback rankings. It's a very good class. It is. It's an interesting class.


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[Assistant] You know, very good, maybe I'm a little strong with that. It's a good class though. And I will say that I think in...


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[Assistant] Overall is a better class than last year for sure. And I think there's a little bit of everything in the class too as far as


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[Assistant] You know, hey, what kind of offense are you running? What kind of quarterback are you looking for? There's a little bit of everything there as far as, you know, flavors and styles of play that, you know, hey, this is the hard thing about making this list. Making a top five quarterback list, you know, that


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[Assistant] You know, the Eagles might have a different way they view the quarterback list as compared to, you know, a team that likes drop back passing quarterback. So I try to kind of put and fuse all of that together and do the best I can there.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was, it was good and there's some splitting hairs in the top five and some really good conversations certainly to get into here. That's a good way to start it off.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it has. I've definitely had to, hey, maybe adjust your, you know, level of


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[Assistant] Comfortability with the rawness factor maybe in some areas, right? To go, well, they're going to make up for it in these areas. And, and because they're great at running the football, they're going to get some, you know, really bland, normal, basic defenses that'll allow them to develop. So yes, I've definitely think differently along terms of those guys and even the smaller type quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, the Bryce Young, the Tua of the world, right? Yeaah, there's some things that scare me, but there's also, we know that you can survive in this day and age at that position.


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[Assistant] You know, playing quarterback with the way the rules are in the NFL. So I'm, I'm always challenging myself, trying to evolve that way, look at myself for what I did wrong, didn't do, you know, didn't do right the year before. As I said last week,


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[Assistant] You know, one thing I, I feel like I made a mistake last year with my evaluating the quarterbacks is I watched too many


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[Assistant] Uh, I didn't watch any less than six games for any of them, so I really have a great feel for them. You know, some down the line guys, I got into, there are three games, something like that, right? Um, but yeaah, that was one thing I certainly had to adjust in my own evaluation and, um,


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[Assistant] There's, there's, it's a more complete class as far as the top group's concerned, right? That's where I would say it's different than last year. Last year Kenny Pickett was, yea, we know he can play quarterback and do all the things. There's nothing really special about his game, but he can play. And he showed that.


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[Assistant] You know, am I, you know, and, and it was a real good year. Am I sitting here going?


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[Assistant] Thinking any differently with him that, ooh, maybe he can be a superstar? No, not really. You know, Malik Willis had a lot of the superstar traits and things that you liked.


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[Assistant] But kind of like I was just talking about, it was a smattering of plays. And I think that's probably where I got a little mis-evaluated, cause I watch a smattering of plays. But then when you start...


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[Assistant] Going back and watching complete games, you go, well damn, he missed that throw. He missed that throw. Well, that was a bad decision on third down. Oh my gosh, what a great throw. Oh my gosh, what a great run. Oh, bad decision, bad throw. What's he looking at? You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Here this year, our top guys, you know, they can all play quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, none of them are perfect or there's only one that's perfect in my opinion. You know, they all have some things that we can look at and go, ooh, I wish he was a little bit better in this department or a little worse in this department. But I think there's less questions overall about these top guys in general than I think maybe what we had last year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I think too, don't fall too in love with just like plays and throws and traits, you know? Let's take into account, can they play the game actually the right way and do that? You know, Matt Corral, I'm not giving up hope there, but yeah, I didn't like the way it looked in my eye and the little preseason action we saw.


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[Assistant] Well again, I don't want to be too hasty in that decision.


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[Assistant] You know, like we talked about even here before the podcast, you went from year one, I'd go, well, Zach Wilson was better than Trevor Lawrence in year one. There's no doubt about that. Year two? Whoa, that's a totally different story.


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[Assistant] And even though that guy that can just play didn't, wasn't real sexy, he can play. There's something to it. He finds the open receiver. He throws the appropriate ball.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I will say this, like when we were at the NFL Combine, right, there's Willie Anderson Jr., the top pass rusher for Alabama. I always, you know me, I always ask him, who's the best player you've played against, right?


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[Assistant] He, without hesitation, Matt Corral, right? So Matt Corral has some stuff about him that are starting caliber traits. Uh, we'll see if he can develop and mature and get enough reps to play the game and continue to go that way. That's going to be the big thing is, you know, he goes forward here. We'll need to get traded.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's totally film. You know, I'm not going on any hearsay, I've heard this about the guy, that guy, I don't know about any of that. I don't. I try to piece everything I do here throughout film. Decision making, you know, how tough he is, all that.


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[Assistant] Sure, I've heard rumors on all these guys, but I don't know how many of them are true, and it's too early in the process for me to think any of it's true or not true at this point anyways. You know, as I've told you, I've had too many


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[Assistant] I got too many teams right now going to me like, Hey, have you watched the quarterbacks yet? Cause they're not even there yet. You know, coaches, you know, how are you going to list the quarterbacks? Damn, you got a list of quarterbacks now.


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[Assistant] That's what I got, you know, from a few friends over the last week. Yeah, damn, that sucks. You gotta, you gotta be out there now, right? And I'm like, yeah, well, this is what I do. And you know, I put in the work, so I'm ready to go, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, the, the, the league is just getting done with free agency and turning the page to now let's evaluate the quarterbacks and the players and see what they are in the draft and, uhm, here we go. Let's do it.


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[Assistant] Well, just a, just a tear as far as separating them, you know, how I see it, right, a little bit, like, and then...


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[Assistant] Yeah, having that tier to kind of just explain the levels of these guys. But again, we have a top five countdown here. We're going to have six quarterbacks. All right. Fold this closure. There's going to be a tie at five.


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[Assistant] I gave a tie at five. I didn't want to make it five or six. I want all these six guys to be in the top five because if somebody gets the number six, they'll get left out of the conversation.


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[Assistant] CJ Stroud, Ohio State. CJ Stroud is beyond blown away from what I've seen. I knew it was good. Blown away when I turn on the film and you start to dive into it.


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[Assistant] Blown away to where the film to me and everything I've seen, I go, this is as close to Joe Burroughs I've seen coming out in the draft here. I mean, when you just talk about


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[Assistant] Hey, oh, first guy's not open. Boom, as I'm looking to the second guy, I'm getting ready to throw and it comes out and bam, it's flawless. I throw the ball.


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[Assistant] And then when you talk about hitting the bullseye on a consistent basis, CJ Stroud's ability to make high level throws and just drop the ball in receivers pockets, hit it in their, hit them in the chest, wherever, it's off the charts good. It's off the charts good.


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[Assistant] And then you talk about his size and his ability to play in the pocket, and of course you know I put a little more emphasis on that too.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, he's a pure pocket passing quarterback. He is.


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[Assistant] But that's not to say he can't move and be mobile too. You saw the Georgia game. And there's more movement than he's given credit for even throughout the year. Now his movement might not always be sexy and turn the corner and run for a 50 yard run down the sideline. But oh my goshes, he has so many good plays, Ahmed. And to me, this is life in the NFL of, you know, hey,


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[Assistant] Step, drop him back. Okay, I'm about to take a hitch. Gonna throw the deep out route to the right side. Oh wait, somebody's in my face. I gotta sidestep him. But hey, wait, that out route was coming open. Let me give it a look to see if I still got it. Oh, it's still there. Zoom. Throws in in there. Strike. Oh, it's not there.


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[Assistant] Okay, let me go to number two, right? And it's aggressive decision making, with along with seeing the field and very few dicey decisions. I mean, Ahmed, when you really break them down,


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[Assistant] His incompletions are off the charts good. His incompletions are like, well that was a strike. I mean he just, he tried to fit it into a tight window. Or he did fit it into the tight window and the guy dropped it because it was so tight he was like couldn't see because there was hands and everything in there.


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[Assistant] With the short game, all that, it's all off the charts. But what's really off the charts for me and that just separates them is the amount of 15 to 30 yard throws that are on the money that change field position of the game on a consistent basis is amazing. And like I said, I don't,


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow is the only guy I can remember where I just kept going, whoa, another strike, whoa, another strike, whoa, another good decision strike, whoa, another good decision strike. And then again, I think the movement


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[Assistant] Go back and watch the Penn State game. I mean, he avoids traffic and trouble a lot to make big throws. Even in the Michigan game.


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[Assistant] You know, there's enough there. You go through the games, you see plenty of mo- mo- like-


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[Assistant] Uh, moments of the ability to move. He throws the ball great on the run, right? And then the other thing he's great at too is like, oh, there's pressure.


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[Assistant] You know, he doesn't need a lot of space to throw the ball. He can lean on his back leg with somebody bearing down, you know, coming up right into his face, right? He can lean on his back foot and just throw a ball, 20 yard curl wrap, boom, on the money, right? Kind of fade away. Oh, there's a shallow cross, but I got to fade away because I'm getting pressure. Boom, throws it on the money.


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[Assistant] Right? So, yeaah, I see that was his greatest game of movement and maybe his greatest game of running. That's the biggest thing. He turned upfield and ran.


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[Assistant] Cause more times than not, he's a, let me avoid the guy so I can set up and throw a laser down the football field. And just to remind everybody, those are the guys who are the top guys in football right now. You know, that's, that's from my homes and borough and Allen.


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[Assistant] You know, Aaron Rodgers five years ago, that's that guy. Five years ago. Well, three years ago. Sorry, you're right. But you know what I meant to say. You know what I meant by that. And that's where he is super, super impressive.


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[Assistant] You know, Hey, wait, nobody's open, but now let me like kind of slow down and look for people to throw to still when you're like, no, no, just take off and run. Right.


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[Assistant] You know, sure. Yeaah, there's some instances where you'd like to see that.


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[Assistant] That's totally coachable and easy to learn. So that's like, if that's the problem, then so what?


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[Assistant] That's like, if you gave me all the problems to list in the world that were a problem, I'd go, that'd be the one I want right there. The guy who can run who doesn't look to run because he's looking to beat you with his arm and his mind to make the great decision and throw every time.


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[Assistant] So that's where I like it. And yes, there's more backyard football in there than people are giving it credit for. Like I said, you know, but it's the machine that I'm wowed by. The machine of great decision after great decision, great throw after great throw, Ahmed.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's throwing go routes and the guy's covered.


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[Assistant] But he throws it out there in a spot where now the receiver can put his head down and, you know, he, he can go play the ball in the air to where it just falls right in his hands. It's, it's all four verticals and a guy running down the seam and somebody carrying him and like there's nowhere to throw the ball and he just fits it in there.


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[Assistant] I don't see that. You know, and again, the numbers, I'm not going to dispute them. I think what's the dispute is the context of the numbers at times. Like...


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, maybe the team fools the offense. They get a free guy blitzin'. He got nowhere to hot the throw or whatever they throw and he's gotta throw it away or get it out and there's nowhere to go with the football. Is there some of that? Sure. But would I look at this pressure with people bearing down on him in the pocket and all of that?


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know, I never saw, I never saw him blank.


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[Assistant] And some of those too, yea, maybe the completion percentage wasn't good or tight window throws or whatever else, but I want to go, man, every time I saw him under the pressure, like the traditional way of like, okay, wait, he's standing there and people are bearing down. The pocket is collapsing.


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[Assistant] Oh, maybe he sees a free guy coming. I mean, he's unaffected by it. The ball goes exactly where it's supposed to go.


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[Assistant] Right? Now, are there some times where I'm sure he was maybe fooled or the offense was fooled or, you know, the Michigan game he has a bootleg and he comes out and there's somebody blitzes off the edge?


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[Assistant] And he's either gonna get sacked or he kinda has to throw at the feet of somebody. Like, okay, yeaah, there's some of that, alright, but there's some of that in everybody's game. Uhm, so, you know, again, I didn't look at it to be any issue in that department at all. You know, and then the other thing too is like, you know,


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[Assistant] More times than not, it's rare when the guy has this kind of arm.


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[Assistant] Where there is anticipation. He can just flick it.


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[Assistant] And just like, oh wait, I gotta shorten up my stride with my motion and just, it almost looks like he's just barely using his arm. He can just flick it, throw it up and down, drop it right in the bucket, whatever there.


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[Assistant] You know, that's where he's really good. Doesn't need to step in throws and understands how to kind of torque his upper body and make throws that way. So uhm, yeaah, I was blown away by the guy we saw there. I really was.


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[Assistant] This is different. This is different than that. It's a, it's a different style of play they played. They played a style of football, of course, where you didn't have to worry, they weren't worried about Justin Fields type quarterback design runs with Stroud, right? It was more truly a drop back pass offense. And they were gonna win the game through his right arm.


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[Assistant] So yeaah. Hey listen, are there plays where people are wide open? Sure, yeaah. But, there's a million plays of...


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[Assistant] You know, I get to see CJ Stroud go through the field and make unbelievably quick decisions to diagnose the defense. And bam, we're just in fields. It might've been a little bit more of like, Hey, play action. We just ran you the play before, and now we're just going to have two people go out in a route. Right. And you're going to read the short post to the deep post and that's it. Right. Right. This is more of a.


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[Assistant] You know, a, uhm, a traditional drop back passing offense, right? In that sense. Where, yeaah, more of the, again, the, the burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady type of thing. So, yeaah, I mean, you see some plays wide open, but man.


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[Assistant] The thing that I just was blown away with more than anything is the amount of on-the-money throws to people that recovered. Where I go, holy shit!


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[Assistant] I mean, he's covered and he just slams it in there perfectly with all different types of varieties of throws. And I think that's just really what, for me, between that, the size, I think some untapped potential, the decision making, all of that, for me, he was slam dunk, number one.


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[Assistant] And uh, you know, even when I, I got done, like I started, I watched Bryce Young number one. I went to CJ Stroud number two when I started.


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[Assistant] And even in my first initial notes, I got done and I wrote, I have a hard time thinking anybody's gonna beat this guy. Because I was blown away. And then the more I watched, because I kept going, well let me find a game that's not good. Let me watch that Michigan game. I think the Michigan game was the fourth game I watched. I came away from the Michigan game going, holy shit!


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[Assistant] They should have won by 20, they failed him, they dropped passes, they dropped touchdown passes, they dropped a fourth and two. You know, he played actually really good. Could he have run and maybe taken over in a few other spots? Okay, maybe to a degree. He's a young kid still, learning how to play the game. I see everything, man. I see big time player.


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[Assistant] I think like, why I use burrow is because of the decision making and the pinpoint throwing.


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[Assistant] Okay, Burrow's decision making was like, the greatest I've ever seen. To the point where you always went like, how did he even see that? It doesn't even look like he looked at it yet and he's still in the, in like, in the act of throwing, right? CJ Stroud, maybe not that quick.


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[Assistant] Not far behind, but where he's better than Burrow is his arm is better than Burrow's was coming out. I mean, we've talked about this. Burrow admitted in me last summer. Yea, he made adjustments to his throwing.


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[Assistant] So this guy, you know, maybe a hairless decision maker in Decipher, but still off the charts good from what I've seen since I've been on this side of the business.


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[Assistant] His throwing, especially yeah, with the ability to power throw and put the ball in the tight windows just time after time after time, I'd actually give him the advantage over Joe Burrow in that department. So you think it's a slam dunk Carolina takes him?


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[Assistant] Well, the great thing about them trading up to number one is they just get to evaluate this the way they want. That's the premium they paid to get to number one.


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[Assistant] Now we can take our time and pick the guy we want. And I'm sure they, you know, they might have a lean right now as to where they think this might go, but they're in the early process here. But I'm just going to say this, between


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[Assistant] Frank Reich, who he is, and who he was as a quarterback, playing under Jim Kelly, right, from everything we've seen from him as a head coach, he likes bigger pocket passing type quarterbacks, to me, and again, I don't think I'm


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[Assistant] I'm not, I'm not, this is to me not like a controversial one. I feel, I'm more on that, this is more of a, like I knew my Zach Wilson was gonna be controversial and I was in the minority, right? This is more of one where I go,


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[Assistant] The more people watching the NFL, the more they're gonna go, oh my gosh, well I see exactly what Chris saw, right? This is not one where I'm going out on a limb and it's splitting hairs.


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[Assistant] Definite. For Chris Sims, definite number one pick. Uh, and uh, yeaah, I guess I'm saying that I'd be shocked if they didn't do it.


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[Assistant] Right? The, the Bryce Young, 5'10", 204 pounds, won the Heisman, played in the national championship game. The natural. That's what he is.


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[Assistant] He's as natural at playing the position as you're gonna see. He makes so many great quarterback plays. He just like CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] You know, the brain is on another level. Their ability to like, read defenses, see the field, throw the appropriate throw, right?


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[Assistant] Knowing when to stop a guy or, you know, drop it over a linebacker, but get it down before the safety gets there. And then, for a guy that's a college quarterback, like, he's about as slick as you're ever gonna, he's as slick as you're gonna see.


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[Assistant] And what I mean by that is like, you might not see a ton of like, wow, oh my gosh throws from Bryce Young, but you see a lot of wow, oh my gosh releases and stuff like that where you go, oh shit, that was cool. Whoa.


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[Assistant] His feet were all cockeyed and they weren't even on the ground and he threw a slant round as he was kind of moving up in the pocket, right?


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[Assistant] You know, his ability to throw slants and screens and all that. He can be like Mahomes where he can just like flick it out or Aaron Rodgers where you're just like, whoa, was that out quick? Holy crap. Right? The ability to, you know, move in the pocket.


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[Assistant] And yeah, buy times, bounce around, make people miss, and then have this incredible.


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[Assistant] Patience for a small guy, too, where you go, damn, they're gonna kill you, man. You better watch out here. Don't get hurt, right? He just, oh, okay, I made a miss. He looks downfield like he's like the Incredible Hulk and like nobody's gonna hurt me. Oh wait, nobody's open? Make the next guy miss. Let me set up again, right? So he's great in those departments. He really is. And then, you know,


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[Assistant] And his arm is good, but it's not on the same level as CJ Stroud. And there's not a lot of ton of...


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[Assistant] What I would call power wow throws. There's a lot of wow throws. Don't get me wrong. He's throwing post routes and moving up in the pocket and throwing cool releases to deep crosses. There's plenty of that. What I mean by power throws is...


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[Assistant] Pocket collapsing. There's a receiver down the sideline. Between the corner and the safety. There's a nice hole there. You know, with people around him.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he's going to be able to make that throw. Ooh, it's a back shoulder, right? Guy's running a go route. He realizes, oh wait, the DB's on top of him. Let me throw it behind him. Let me throw a laser. I got some people in my face. Let me throw a laser and just kind of lean on my back foot and throw an 18 or 20 yard laser right at his ear hole, right?


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[Assistant] He's not going to do that. That's not what he's going to be, right?


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[Assistant] You know, so that, that's, that's where he misses a little bit or is not on the CJ Strouds level in that department. Let alone, like I said, is his arm strength is not the same as CJ Strouds. You know, he's a natural throw in the football. He does fall into a little bit of a routine of


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[Assistant] Well this is where it gets, he's got great feel, he does know how to avoid trouble and move in the pocket and do that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I would, so, so we say all that.


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[Assistant] I don't know, like I, like I even said, you know, my initial thought on him was right too, where I don't know if there's an elite, elite physical trait to jump at.


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[Assistant] You know, quickness in his feet, the different deliveries are probably the biggest thing. And then his mind, his mind, his ability to know where to go with the ball instantaneously and get it out and put the ball in the right spot. That's the best thing.


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[Assistant] Do I have concerns if he's not behind a really good offensive line? And that like, oh no, this is an average NFL offensive line and you're going to have issues here? Yeah. And then added to the fact that, you know, we're going to talk about six quarterbacks here.


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[Assistant] I don't think I'm crazy in saying it's fair to say I'm not sure he's...


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[Assistant] He's not the fastest, he's not the fastest of the six, that's for sure. I would say actually he's probably, when it comes to straight away running, he's probably towards the end of the six here, when we're talking about that. So those are the things that scare you. And then yes, to your point, you go,


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[Assistant] His pass protection is by far the best of anybody in this group. I mean, it's laughable. You have games where you're like,


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh, he's back there for 12 seconds. Nobody's even around him. He's looked at the field twice. He's went one, two, three, four, four, three, two, one. Right. I mean, so that there is some of that that goes, yes, wait, is this gonna.


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[Assistant] Translate all the way to the NFL. Is there that that worries me? Yes. And that's why he's in tier two. You know, with another guy that we're going to hit on in a second. But yeah, I think there is some concerns in that department for me. Uh, and like I always say, size is a skill and there's very few


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[Assistant] He's smart, right? So here, let me paint a picture for you.


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[Assistant] He's smart. He understands defenses and his own offense. He's great that way. Like I said, he's a natural. So if he, if he gets a defense and sees like the two middle linebackers blitz.


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[Assistant] He'll, he'll work the middle of the field. He knows they're voided, right? He knows that area is voided, so he'll work the middle of the field. What I don't get a ton of is like, hey, I look to the, come back to the right, right?


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[Assistant] Now I'm in the pocket, the pocket is getting tight and it's collapsing. And here comes an in-cut from the left. That's my number two read about 12 to 15 yards. There's very few.


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[Assistant] Of those type of throws where it's like, Hey, he looked at one. Oh, the pocket's getting tight like it does in the NFL. Ooh, it's a tight window throw over the middle of the slot receiver. You got him. Put it on there.


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[Assistant] He might throw it, but it's never real accurate, or he throws it just to get it out of his hand so he doesn't get hit or sacked, right? And I will say again, to the things that we talked about in the smaller quarterback, when he gets hit sometimes,


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[Assistant] I mean, it looks super aggressive cause his body flies. So you're like, whoa, is he okay?


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[Assistant] So those are the concerns. That's why he's not number one. But man, there's a lot to like. And if you get in an offense that's a little more spread oriented, and you're gonna give him space, and you can protect the quarterback, and it's gonna be about screens and getting it out quick and doing all that type of stuff.


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[Assistant] He's, he, he's gonna be just fine. Uh, but yeah, like I said, size, how can it not scare you a little?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I look at them as actually better in all areas compared to Tila. So, the comparison's not unwarranted, but I think even with like,


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[Assistant] You know, his ability how quickly he can get it out and even though it's not the most explosive arm, it's explosive in the fact that


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[Assistant] He could take a seven step drop, right? I'm in and painting a picture again here. And now wait, nobody's open, right? And he's kind of now running up in the pocket, like kind of attacking the line of scrimmage. I might run, but now sees like a deep cross or 30 yards down the field. He can like.


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[Assistant] Like we showed pictures of my homes during the regular season. Kind of being like the full-fledged middle run. Like I'm running.


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[Assistant] I'm okay taking Bryce number two, yeaah. But that, you know, again, you're gonna have to realize the risk of what you're doing there.


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[Assistant] With that type of quarterback and, you know, you're going to have to realize that.


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[Assistant] There might be certain things in your offense, you know, again, if you're not out of Alabama, and you are throwing a bunch of quick game, like say a lot of three-step games, they don't throw a ton of quick game, because they're so good at protecting, they can do whatever they want for the most part.


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[Assistant] But if that's because, hey, we're screens and we're slants and we're quick rats and all that type of stuff, I do wonder about balls getting batted down as well.


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[Assistant] You know, but he's phenomenal at finding little holes or alleys to get the ball through. That's where he's really great.


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[Assistant] You know, so uhm, yeaah. I like the player, you know that. I like the person a lot too, just through the way he handles himself, the leader, all of that, right? He's got it all, except he does not have a bazooka for a right arm, and he's small. And those are real issues in the NFL, as you know, and that's well documented.


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[Assistant] It's a mini-trimmer. I can see teams with, you know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, you know, again, like I said, but I, I could see teams with Young just going like, well, I, I can't pick a quarterback that size. I just can't do it. I'm just too worried. Right. I'm just too worried.


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[Assistant] About re-evaluating the quarterbacks and the movement quarterbacks and all that from


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[Assistant] You know what? ADM. ADM. ADM 27. Right, this is one that I had to adjust on as well. ADM, just send us your real name. ADM. And then we'll just, you know, say your name. Sounds like ADM.


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[Assistant] Why is this guy not getting more buzz? What is there not to like? I know he tore his ACL. Alright. But this is not Michael Vick, right? I mean, okay, maybe he's not ready for week one, whatever. Again, going off the film is what I'm doing.


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[Assistant] Like, on the money, pocket passing quarterback, who makes great decisions, and like CJ Stroud, is way more athletic than people are giving him credit for.


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[Assistant] And, you know, even where he might be even better than CJ Stroud and definitely better than Bryce Young is his ability to see over the line and throw over the line.


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[Assistant] He had the most amount of throws of people in his face and I'm just gonna throw the 10 yard in cut over them. I don't care. Right? Totally unaffected by the pass rush. That's where I give him tons of credit.


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[Assistant] You know, one decision making, sure. It's another one where I'd go, it's really off the charts good.


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[Assistant] You know, two, the amount of NFL high level throws, you know, and again, when I, when I say that, I just mean in the pocket, you know, 12 yard out route, in the pocket, trash around you, you know, 15 yard in cut.


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[Assistant] Oh, in the pocket, I had to sidestep somebody. I got a middle post going down the middle of the field in between two safeties. I got to kind of throw it on the line 30 yards down the field. Boom. You know.


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[Assistant] Oh, I got pressure in my face and I got a go route going down the right sideline. Let me throw it 50 yards and throw it high in the air so my guy can just go run up and get it. He does all of that. So that's where I loved Hendon Hooker.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, you know, his motion is not my favorite. He's a natural throw of the football. His motion is a little too vertical, which can allow the ball at times on a negative aspect to maybe spin.


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[Assistant] Instead of being driven, but with the way they line up, the way he was taught with Josh Hypel as their, their, the head coach. I mean, they throw so many balls outside the numbers and he's consistently on the money throwing into tight coverage.


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[Assistant] Comeback route, guy all over him, high and outside, guy catches it, tiptoes and gets his feet in the balance. It's just so much of that. So, you know, there's the ACL and the age thing.


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[Assistant] That's the concern with Hendon Hooker. If you're going off film, I don't know how he's not in the top quarterback conversation.


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[Assistant] What, are, are, are we marrying them? Are we worried what they're gonna look like?


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay. I mean, I guess so. You know, I just kind of look at it more like, oh god, at Virginia Tech, didn't get the fair shot he should, was in a shitty offense, and just like took a little time to go to a place where, you know, it made sense to develop as a quarterback. You know, I don't know. The other stuff gets overblown to me at times.


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[Assistant] You know, so, but I know it's hurting him. It sounds like it's hurting him from, from what I hear, or at least what people are trying to make it, make it hurt him.


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[Assistant] There is. But what it does is it made him play like a pro and a pocket passer and it made him make decisions. And, you know, that's where you get to see that. And then, again,


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[Assistant] Another guy where, you know, I, I know everybody wants Lamar Jackson and Justin Fields with that, you know, so you know, you hear, oh, he's not real mobile.


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[Assistant] And I go, oh, there's the Alabama game, he's running down the sideline for a 44 yard gain, and oh, now it's Florida, and he's running down the sideline for a 30 yard gain. I don't know, that looks mobile to me, there's a whole bunch of guys that run 4-3 and 4-4 on those teams. So, and, you know, that's not why you're drafting them anyways.


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[Assistant] What you're drafting him for is like we were talking about with CJ Stroud a little again. He has that element, except he's just not quite the pinpoint powerful thrower CJ Stroud is, right?


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[Assistant] So that's where, you know, him and Bryce Young, they're like opposites.


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[Assistant] You know, I wish, I wish Hooker was a little bit more liberal in all his releases and had a few different things that way. At times he can be a little too Statue of Liberty, feet on the ground and deliberate, right? And that's okay, cause he's big and he's gonna put the ball in the money.


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[Assistant] You know, I wish at times he had a little bit of like the Bryce Young and just, hey, let it fly and let it flow and hey, my feet aren't exactly perfect, but I can throw this in there no matter what. He's shown me he can do it. I've seen enough of it. It's just not consistent. Right? So there's that. And then, yeah, I wish his motion.


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[Assistant] You know, where he, he's got good accuracy, he can lose the ball high at times, but that's because, you know, we talk about it all the time, you know.


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[Assistant] The motion should be more rotation around your body rather than I released at a really high point and then went to my opposite pocket, right? On my pants.


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[Assistant] That leads to spirals, but not the ball driving all the time. And that's where like CJ Stroud has a clear advantage over Hooker. They do a lot of great things in the pocket decisions. Stroud's decision making is better. Stroud's ability to step on the gas pedal and make the power throw is also better than Hooker's.


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[Assistant] Hooker's ability to step on the gas pedal and make the throw into tight windows is better than Bryce Young's, right?


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[Assistant] But his ability to move in the pocket and make people miss and make some of those other natural quarterback-y type plays is not as good as Bryce Young. But this is where it's close to me, is...


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[Assistant] You know, hand and hooker size and everything, it, it, it traditionally,


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[Assistant] Last the test of time more in the NFL than a guy like Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] And that's where, you know, I think it's a little closer than people are giving it credit for, at least in my opinion, between the two guys there.


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[Assistant] He's gonna dodge a guy. You know who else did that? Tom Brady. Well, a lot of do. A lot. I mean, again, I bet you if we went back and watched Mahomes, you'd go, oh man, he makes the guy miss and then makes a throw. So much more than we really realize. Sure. Right? And that's where he is gonna make a guy miss or break a tackle.


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[Assistant] I mean, he breaks tackles, then he looks up and he goes, wait, is there somebody open for me to throw to? Okay, no, then I'll take off and run. But he, he wants to stand there and make the decision and make the throw. He's always under control.


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[Assistant] He's always smooth, like there's never herky jerkiness in his motion or anything like that. Like I said, I wish it was around rather than so vertical, but you know, and then.


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[Assistant] Another guy that does not need space to throw.


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[Assistant] Because of his size, he's got so many throws where he can't step into it, or he's just gotta kinda lean back on his back foot and still make a 15 to 20 yard throw, and he does it with ease. And to me, again, maybe I'm different, I put a lot more credit into that type of stuff because those throws happen way more than you realize in an NFL game. You know?


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[Assistant] We take it for granted, I think, in a lot of times because the NFL quarterback's gotten so good in that department that we just go, oh yeaah, throw another. And I go, no, no, this is...


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[Assistant] This is playing life in the NFL, not being able to step into it, having to fade away, having to lean back, you know, having to shorten your arm to throw a, a big time throw. Cause the coach is going, no, no, he's, he's open. He's open and wait, you have enough room to throw right there. So throw it, get it done.


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[Assistant] Right? And that's where he's got great value in that department, where maybe Bryce Young


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[Assistant] Yeah, if he doesn't make you miss and scramble, he's going to look more for the short throw after he does that. Like, oh, I got pressure. I'm not going to hang in here and take a shot to throw the ball down the field anymore. I'm just going to get to the check down and live to play the next down. So there's some difference there and there's value to me in that. And as far as hooker and what he does.


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[Assistant] Mid-first round. I-I-I'm-I'm a definite there. I-I-I think he's a top half of the first round type talent. Wow. If you take away the ACL thing, I-I don't think there's any doubt about that. You know, and obviously I feel a little different about the age thing, okay, maybe than-than some. Yeah. But, you know, I-I-I-I... Wow. No. I-I, again...


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[Assistant] In a lot of ways, like, let's just put it simple. I like his game more than I do Kenny Pickett's from last year. And again, I'm not trying to be negative on Kenny Pickett's, but if you ask me, like, what I would like for the NFL and how that's going to translate, I go, no. Hooker would be, I want Hooker.


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[Assistant] That's what I would want, so. He might have been number one in your rankings last year then, right? He might have been over Matt Carell. Well, yeah, he might have, you know. Again, there's...


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[Assistant] You know, there, there's, there's something to like about this kid. And then even in big, you know, the Georgia game, hanging in there, there was not a lot of people open, was under pressure a lot. He played solid. There was nothing wrong with his game. They didn't lose that game because of him.


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[Assistant] Other games down late in the game, you know, doesn't blink. Just makes one big throw after another. So I love the everything about him. Like I said, the calmness, the patience in the pocket, the toughness, and then of course the throwing, uhm, is really, really damn good.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, right. Father, yeaah. Right. Let me talk to the old, wise man in the locker room. But the other thing that I think is interesting about him that, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, that, that, that I wrote in my notes is like, you know,


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[Assistant] There's some throws where you go, oh, I wish he would step on the gas here a little bit more. Err. Why doesn't he throw this one a little harder? Ah, he got it in, but just barely. Right? And...


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[Assistant] I do have a little where I might be, I wrote, might be like Deshaun Watson, where, and I meant this and that, where he gets to the NFL, cause one of the things with Watson when he came out is I went,


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[Assistant] Man, a lot of 88 mile per hour balls, 90 per hour balls. Where's the fast ball more? Does he have a fast ball? Is his arm that strong? Right? And then he got to the NFL and like the first preseason game, I was like, oh my gosh, he just uncorks at every play now.


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[Assistant] I think there's, I think Hilker could have a little bit of that like, oh wait, this is what I gotta do to make it happen in the NFL? No doubt, I could push up my mile per hour a little bit and still be accurate.


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[Assistant] You know, so that was another aspect that, you know, I think is a little bit of an untapped for him, uh, in some ways. But like I said, effortless power thrower needs to be better at the slick, the slick stuff. The sidearms, the screens, you know, different arm angles. I wish the motion was a little different, you know.


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[Assistant] From time to time can lose control of the ball, like I said, just because of that motion overall, being too vertical, but can throw it over the line, you know, and his patience and seeing the field are great and his ability to make, you know, accurate power throws is pretty damn special.


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[Assistant] Well this is where we're going Anthony Richardson. Florida. Yea, it's time. The freak. The beast. Unleash the beast. People know he's a beast in his combine numbers.


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[Assistant] He's, he's Michael Parsons playing quarterback. I mean, that's a, he's a taller Michael Parsons playing quarterback. Right? He's...


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[Assistant] He's cra- he's crazy. He's a beast of beasts when it comes to quarterback position. You know, again, the only guy we've ever seen that's even somewhat built like this is Cam Newt. I mean, that's it. Cam Newt is the only guy. So, he's one of one in that department. And then, you know, you throw on top of, like, yea, we know he's a great athlete.


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[Assistant] He wants to be a quarterback. You can see that. This is not just like some athlete who they threw in a quarterback. This is a quarterback who's a great athlete who's just learning still to play quarterback and hasn't got to play a lot. You know, it doesn't look like he's been taught a whole lot.


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[Assistant] You know, mechanically or, you know, playing recognition of the coverages, you know, different types of plays. So he's at a raw point there. But like, not as raw as I thought it was gonna be. I will say that.


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[Assistant] It's less raw than Malik Wallace last year. That puts it into context.


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[Assistant] And again, Malik couldn't run like this guy, nor this guy's arm is off the charts good. So it's a little all over the place here, and this is why he's in a tier by himself, right? Because the other three guys, I look to be kind of like safer bets. Is there a little boomer bust here with Anthony Richardson? Of course. His ceiling is probably the highest ceiling in the draft.


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[Assistant] His floor though, out of the guys we're gonna talk to today, it might be the lowest floor too. It could be that. But.


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[Assistant] This is not like, oh, crazy, raw, like, oh, wow, man, you're really taking a chance. Like I said, you know, hey, there's some games and some plays where you go, man, his eyes are all over the place and I'm not sure what he's looking at and he's looking at the rush a little too much and all of that. But then there's other games where you go,


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[Assistant] I mean, he's on the money and his eyes are right in the perfect spots and every throw, or not every throw, but most throws are on the money, right?


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[Assistant] So yeah, it's not perfect. You're not going to want to rely on him like you would Hendon Hooker or Bryce Young or CJ Stroud to go, Hey, we're looking to throw it 38 times today and we need you to be 28 to 38 for 30.


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[Assistant] You know, this is a guy, the guy where you get him on your team and go, we're looking to throw it 24 times today and we want like maybe eight rushes from you and the threat of your rushes.


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[Assistant] More rushes are going to open up other things, let alone like we talked about, get some simple defenses and you'll continue to develop into these looks as you develop into a better pocket passer and play in the quarterback position that way.


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[Assistant] You know, so you're asking me whose floor is it? I don't know. I just threw it out there. Well, I think probably his floor is scarier. Right?


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[Assistant] I know, well, and that's where this is tough, and it's nitpicky to like, know how much that's gonna really affect them, right? Like I was saying, that was one of the things that...


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[Assistant] I came away going, I'm not sure if this play is going to actually happen in the NFL. Like, I'm not sure. So there is some of that here, and that's why we're, this is a great time to debate and talk about all this stuff. You know, but yea, Richardson


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[Assistant] You know, there's definitely going to be some decisions where you're going, what the hell is he thinking there? And then like, you know, to my point is he just, he still, he needs to be taught a few things on how to use his body the right way in throwing the football. He has too many throws where you just go,


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[Assistant] Like first off, you go, whoa, amazing throw, whoa, amazing throw. And then you go, whoa, how did you miss that? Come on. You're too good to miss that.