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[Assistant] Of a guy that's a Hall of Fame Defensive Tackle. Hall of Fame Defensive Tackle. I wanna make sure everybody realizes that. You know? But I think they're a team that's, yea.


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[Assistant] Trying to get a little younger up front. Trying to turn the page a little bit in certain positions. He's done a great job for them. And I don't think he's done playing.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, off the top of my head, I can't remember what is, that one kind of broke as I was walking in. I can't remember his price tag or what he was gonna make. What was it there, Pete? Uh, save them seven million dollars. That makes sense. Yes, that's, that's, so that, that's what I would have expected there.


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[Assistant] You know, hey Kaleos Campbell, we'll see. Do you think he signs with another team?


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[Assistant] You know, or does he call it quits? I could see him, if the right team comes along and pays him enough and they're a real contender. Super Bowl contender. Yeaah. He's yet to get that, you know what I mean? He might go one more year at this. Detroit Lions.


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[Assistant] I just, I'm trying to say yes, he's no longer for my money a top five cover corner in football. Now, uh, let me just make sure I make this clear.


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[Assistant] Top five cover corner is different than still one of the top five-ish secondary players in football. Where I would still put them in that category. Listen.


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[Assistant] What I wanna say, like, first off, Quandre Diggs went like totally personal on me. And, I mean, I don't know, he went totally personal on me. I don't know what the deal was there.


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[Assistant] You know, Darius Slay just said, I sound ridiculous. I mean, really? So the best corner in football is getting traded for a third round pick? Well damn, Darius and Diggs. The cornerback market sucks then.


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[Assistant] You guys need to change the position. The top corner, you need to call the Rams and go, how dumb are you guys? You traded away the best corner in football for a third round pick. You know why they let that happen? Cause he's not the best corner in football! No!


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[Assistant] Okay? Mad respect for Jalen Ramsey, but just because it's mad respect doesn't mean I just lie between my teeth. Okay? Come on. They're ridiculous for that. I want to get on a Twitter beep with them, but it's a no-win situation for me, so I'll leave it alone. But I know, I saw Robinson Kambi, he was on here going, you're getting dragged on, like, why am I getting dragged?


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[Assistant] For saying a guy that got traded for a third round pick and is not asking for more money.


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[Assistant] Is not, and I said he's just not a top cover corner anymore. Why am I getting dragged by, like, again, why? That's, that's all I would question there. I think, uhm, challenge flag to those people. I'd love them to come on here and let's talk about it. Darius? Diggs? You around?


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[Assistant] Come on, we'll, I'll give you the number live right here on the NBC YouTube page. We are live. We can discuss it. They can go into the chat if they want to right now. Get in the chat. Come on. I mean, Pete, seriously, if you want to tweet at them right now, tell them to get on the chat and talk about it. Let's do it. Oh my gosh, could it happen live on YouTube? I'd love to. I'd love to.


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[Assistant] He does, he's really well. I mean, he's great. I just, yeaah. Do I put him in the category of Jaira Alexander and Xavier Howard and Sauce Gardner and Patrick Surtain right now? No, I don't. He's not, he's not Tyson Campbell for the Jaguars, right? I don't put him quite there. I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] You know? I mean, but damn, I mean, if Jalen Ramsey or anybody's listened to me talk about Jalen Ramsey, this is my day back to Bleacher Report. I mean, it's been steady love, one of my favorite people in football.


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[Assistant] But I'm not just gonna sit here and lie through my teeth and go, oh yeah, great trade. Great trade. Number one corner in football. Man, Rams got fleeced. Third round pick for the number one corner in football. That doesn't sound right. Come on. You guys don't sound right. You're wrong.


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[Assistant] Negative Ghost Rider, you're wrong. And then Diggs went ultra personal on me about my college career when he was six years old. He was obviously a die-hard fan of the Texas, uh, the Texas football team.


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[Assistant] He says, Trog Dogg said Sims is right. Diggs is smoking what I am smoking. I like it Trog Dogg. Thank you. A little fun. Yea, and M Sauce is the man. They're just, again.


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[Assistant] I, I, I love, I, I got bad love there, but yea, I kinda got dragged through it there a little bit for, I saw it when I was going to bed last night.


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[Assistant] I really was just trying to give it an assessment. I had a lot of people going, man, a third rounder for Jaylin Ramsey? I'm shocked that it's that low, right? I'm surprised that it's only a third rounder. And you go, well, here's why. That's all I was trying to say.


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[Assistant] The Dolphins are officially in like, icing in the cake mode, right?


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[Assistant] Other than really you can go through, and we talked about this a lot during the season, we go through their roster and go, what part of their roster really needs an improvement other than we, hey, the offensive line maybe needs to get a little better and more mature. They could probably add a players, but it's not like it's, oh, it's so bad that, you know, so yeah, they'll probably add somebody here, but like they're in like,


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[Assistant] You don't even need all these draft picks and all this. You got people all over the board.


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[Assistant] You know, a hell of a player. Jalen Phillips, as we've talked about it, to me is already the best pass rusher on their team, and they have Bradley Chubb. They're stacked. They're stacked. They are stacked. They are a team that you look at and go, wait, it was a Super Bowl roster before, and now it's then some.


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[Assistant] And then you add that guy to all the things he can do in the secondary, match up with certain, match up with the Travis Kelsey in the AFC playoffs, you know, match up with a big receiver on another team. I mean, he's going to be great in that, you know, area and Vic Fangio on defense, I think he's got, you know, knows how to use those longer type corners.


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[Assistant] That's what I want to send to those guys and go, wait, wait, you guys, the same guy got traded when he was the top cover corner and look what he got. And he wanted a new contract and he got that. He wants no contract.


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[Assistant] So that to me speaks to, like, he wants an exorbitant amount of money. That he wants to blow the market, you know, the top off the market. And then, I don't know if you saw, like, Laramie Tunzel


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[Assistant] Tweeted at my home, when my home said this free agency is about to be crazy and then Tunzel sent something back. So that made me think, wait, is something going to go down with Laramie Tunzel to the Kansas City Chiefs here and Orlando Brown, they're just going to give up and go, wait, we can't figure out a contract. I don't know. That's where I'm just, that's where my head is at right now.


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[Assistant] That and Lamar, you know, do we get a, do we get Lamar? Does there something that starts to break or happen or does somebody, you know, climb out of the weeds here that we didn't think was and get into the Lamar conversation?


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[Assistant] Exactly. You know, it didn't take collusion to figure that out. They didn't need to call each other and be like, hey, let's band together against the guy who's asking for the craziest contract in the history of football. Right. You know, he's asking for a contract that's, you know, more expensive than some of the guys that are better than him at the position.


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[Assistant] Hey again, now Deshaun Watson got that contract for unforeseen circumstances. He got a little lucky to a degree because of the situation and the dysfunction of the Browns.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I get sick of the Lamar hate online, and for some reason, because I want Lamar to get an agent and get more money, you know, and I'm also being real and...


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know what to expect. I'm not going to blame everybody else in the world for these problems. People think I don't like Lamar. That's just not true. You know that. I mean, I'm like the biggest defender of Lamar in the world.


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[Assistant] Lamar is, I get cra- what I don't understand right now is going on in Lamar too is I see this a lot online. Oh, we don't want to pay for running backs. Everybody's willing to pay for Jalen Hurts, but they won't pay for Lamar Jackson?


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[Assistant] You know, Lamar Jackson's a gifted thrower of the football. As you heard my dad say, it's an elite arm.


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[Assistant] He's never been in that offense that's had to rely on just passing game and had the weapons around him. I have no doubt that he can do that if he's put in that position. You know, so.


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[Assistant] The commanders too, they're another team a little bit like some of these we've talked about where you go, you know, they're not far off. They got a lot of pieces in place. The quarterback is a huge issue.


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[Assistant] You know, so I don't, I'm still one that's like, are they really going to go with Sam Howell to be the guy to start OTAs and make him the starter? So yeah, they're the team I have my eye on maybe here for the Lamar.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Well, there's a reason you see a lot of, I mean, you don't ever see a top tier quarterback even deal with this stuff. Cause he just goes, wait, I'm, I'm, this is out of my league. It's not what I do. You know, I know what's right slot 72 Z bingo you split, but what the third year option of a contract that breaks down to what?


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[Assistant] I mean the smartest quarterbacks in the history of football had agents. The guy he wants to emulate in the contract.


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[Assistant] Has an agent that got him that contract. That's what I don't understand. You know?


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[Assistant] You know, and as we've discussed, some of the, you know, non-apparel deals and all that type of stuff for a guy that's really one of the most famous people in the sport, I think speaks to that too. So I, I, I want Lamar to be paid big time. I do. Uh, so we'll see where, you know, where that goes. Breaking news. Uh oh.


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[Assistant] There it is. So he's going to the Raiders. That's probably part of the reason Jarrett sent him Simon the Broncos too.


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[Assistant] Or, or it got to the point where they just, they couldn't actually pay them that money because they're going to have to pay Jimmy G.


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[Assistant] A decent amount of money here. You know, Stardom, I think, was a lot more of a realistic thing. If they were gonna draft the quarterback, then you could kind of overpay them to be that bridge guy slash backup, right?


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[Assistant] Now if you're bringing in a guy that's making, I would think he's gonna get somewhere 28. Oh boy. You're doing it again! I'm gonna say it, 28, maybe close to 30.


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[Assistant] A year? Yeah, a year. That, you know, that, that of course took Stidham's money away, but I understand this. And like we said, the Raiders are in no man's land as far as the draft's concerned. He knows the system, Jimmy Garoppolo.


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[Assistant] Their offense is ready right now and, you know, there's not going to be a quarterback that I think they look at as fitting to run that show, at least right away. You know, that's going to be their pick number seven, so they're going to make their own move and make


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[Assistant] Or maybe Green Bay. But I mean, he's got the, he's getting a cold shoulder from Green Bay. I mean, they're telling them they don't want him. Yeaah. I think it's Jets or retire. You know, I never thought...


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[Assistant] That Rodgers to the Raiders is a real thing. Anybody that's been listening to me over the last few weeks, it just, that's not, I don't think that's Josh McDaniel's cup of tea. I don't think that's where Aaron Rodgers wants to go.


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[Assistant] To go, wait, I gotta go to the AFC West and deal with that crew over there? And it's a totally new system? I mean...


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[Assistant] Totally new, right? There'd be a way different learning curve. You know, Brady went from New England to Tampa and they weren't that dissimilar in the system and the language. It's in that same school of thinking, Bruce Arians and what he did. This is totally different, like you've heard me say before.


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[Assistant] I, and then plus it's the Raiders I think are looking for something a little bit more sustainable here. You know, I would think now that they got Jimmy Garobo, they're hoping he can be the guy for at least two, three years.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers, you do that and you go, well crap, we're, we're, he retired next year. We're back in the boat. We needed a quarterback and we traded away a pick and gave $60 million to him and got some dead money cause we did that. You know, all those types of things that are thinker, you know, not in the formula for the Raiders. Trog dog has typed.


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[Assistant] So it's you versus Trog Dogg. I like Trog Dogg. He's my man here so far. But I'm, uh, he might be right. You know, I wouldn't be shocked to see it. You know, I think he falls into the category of like what we saw with Derek Carr. You know, right in that...


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[Assistant] Big boy. But they need a little size. You heard us talk, we talked about this during the year.


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[Assistant] They're athletic as hell up front. There is not enough size on the defense there. You know, it's, it's, they needed some run stuffers and shy is, you know, out of the University of Tennessee, if I remember correctly, it's been four or five years, but a true,


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[Assistant] Third and one, or it's second and two. You can have him at nose and now Derrick Brown can maybe play on the edge of the guard or somewhere else. He doesn't always have to be in that position. So that's where, uh, I think it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a good deal for them. There's something.


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[Assistant] Athletic front seven they got there in Carolina. Size was an issue. So I can totally understand that.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I mean, I'm gonna say, I really thought it was, you know, I'm sorry YouTube, shit or get off the pot time, right? How many years are we gonna go here with, let's find the one year quarterback, let's find another one year quarterback.


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[Assistant] Yeah, seriously. But, but uhm, yeah, I think, you know, all in all,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think it was the proper move, you know.


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[Assistant] Again, a team that got a lot of core pieces and young guys that you like, right? We saw them make their little run there at the end of the year.


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[Assistant] I, by all due accounts, think Frank Reich wants to run a quarterback with a guy that can drop back and throw the ball and run it like Jim Kelly did when he was the backup quarterback there or when he took the job with the Colts with Andrew Luck. He wants that kind of guy.


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[Assistant] That's the kind of offense he wants to run. It's what he's did in Philadelphia too. So that to me, you know, was in danger of being picked number nine. You know, maybe Anthony Richardson could be there at number nine, but Anthony Richardson is raw. You know, you're going to have to run a little bit of a different offense at first.


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[Assistant] You know, that, that to me doesn't screen. Anthony Richards is not the guy you trade up to number one. He's got incredible talent. It's a big time. But he's a little more of a project.


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[Assistant] Not only clear, I told you, I think it'll become very clear as we go throughout. These coaches are watching what I'm watching. They're just, I have a hard time thinking that you're going to come to a conclusion that CJ Stroud is not the best quarterback in the drive. I know I'm coming out with my rankings next week, right? I didn't really want to say this.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert, I gotta think, okay, I'll give Joe Burrow the edge just by a little. This is not like, you know, ooh, Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, uh, I'll go back and forth a little, it's really close. Or how I saw Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson. And I'm not saying I'm right about any of them.


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[Assistant] This is one where it's not nitpicky at all. CJ Stroud is clearly the best quarterback in this draft. It is not close. There is a gap. And I gotta think,


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[Assistant] Frank Reich's school of quarterbacking he's come from, that they gotta eat early, lean on that, let alone they can just do their own homework and they don't have to worry about anything. But, I think he's the most Frank Reich guy to me, and I think for the teams that are looking for the drop back passing quarterback,


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[Assistant] He is going to be clearly the number one prospect on the board. So, uh, yeah, I will sit here right now and kiss your feet if CJ Strauss is not the number one.


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[Assistant] Listen, again, I'm not gonna tell you the rest of my rankings and all that. It's interesting. Just give us the top five. But yea, right. Just that. But, you know, as anybody here at NBC could tell you,


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[Assistant] After I watched just a little, I was, I went to the combine telling producer Matt Casey and Pete Dimmel, I was like,


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[Assistant] And when I had just kind of gone through some little bit of film, just let me get a feel for these guys, I had a hard time going, I have a hard time thinking it's not going to be CJ Stratt.


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[Assistant] Diving in last week, official draft, dive in, games, you know, certain situations. Like I said, I don't think it's, it's close. I don't. Now, the trade itself.


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[Assistant] There's only one part. It was, I think, a necessary thing. And let's turn the page and go to the future for the Carolina Panthers. And you got a lot of positive things. The O-line turned the corner. You know, we're decent at running back. Tight end, okay. Receiver is solid.


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[Assistant] You know, defense has got a lot of the pieces. Here you're seeing Shy Tuttle, now they got another run stopper in there. E.J. Everill wants that, new D coordinator there. But, yea, the only part of the trade that I questioned at all was the D.J. Moore part that you talked about. Cause I was like, damn, wait, they're gonna trade?


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[Assistant] They're gonna get the number one pick to get the quarterback and then trade the quarterback's new best friend away?


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[Assistant] You know? So, that's, that stinks a little bit, but from what I'm hearing, they had, you know, I think a trade that was very comparable on the table from another team, and the DJ Moore thing kinda put it over the top. So, uh, that was...


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[Assistant] The right move for the Carolina Panthers, and the right move for the Chicago Bears. Bears we know, all this money, assets now, and


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[Assistant] You know, get a slam dunk sure thing to support your franchise quarterback. And now you got that guy with Claypool and Darnell Mooney when he comes back healthy and Colt Comet.


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[Assistant] You know, we saw an offensive line that can run the ball a little bit and all that to where they can almost go, wait, we need an offensive lineman and then we can just worry about everything else on defense and we'll be okay.


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[Assistant] And that's where they kind of are. So I really liked it for both sides. I thought it was a necessity for both sides and good job by the Bears, great job by the Panthers. Cause I think it was that time that you got to make a move instead of being stuck in this middle of the pack era forever.


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[Assistant] So say you bet $100 on Will Levis to be the number one overall pick. If you win, you'll get $1400, but if you lose, you still get $100.


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[Assistant] Well, I just want to, let's finish that one last thing there with that, that our bet MGM and the odds though. I just, I've got to think as we're getting out of the combine, teams are getting into, you know, alright, let's start putting some film on a little bit.


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[Assistant] I just gotta think it's gonna continue to trend this way. Again, I'm not trying to- Oh, you think the odds are as good as they're gonna be right now? No, I think they might get even better, like as far as- or worse.


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[Assistant] So if you want to bet CJ Stroud, do it now. I think it's just going to become more of a slam dunk. That would be my call as of right now. Again, I'm not done with the whole quarterback class, but I'm done with the top guys. And like I said, CJ Stroud is, it's not changing. It's not close. He's clearly my number one quarterback.


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[Assistant] As you know, what I think is high end talent with his arm and his, his foot quickness. Who was it? Will Anderson, right? Junior at the Alabama deep pass for sure. Exactly. He said Corral was the best player he played against in college football. Yea, you just couldn't get him down. Couldn't get over how quick he was, he made a miss, all that, you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, but yeaah, it, you know, I haven't thought about this one a whole lot. I'm not surprised, especially because it's like, you know, again, this is what we talk about all the time.


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[Assistant] Hey, we want our number one guy to come in here and feel like he's the man. We don't want to have a guy here that, you know, some people like and has some talent to kind of like, for guys to go, oh, Kerala's throwing the ball just as good as our number one pick. All that, right? So, you know, hey, I...


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[Assistant] It's not like, he's not gonna be brought anywhere to be like, oh, we're gonna bring him the backup, right? He's gonna kinda be a 2 slash 3, cause he didn't get a chance to develop or do anything last year. Yeah. Right? But, you know, a team like, I'll go to the Kansas City Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Or just go, hey, let's have him sit in the background a little bit. Be the third stringer. We'll get a veteran backup this year for Patrick Mahomes. But then if Mahomes gets, you know, then the year goes by, that backup moves on. Maybe Corral can be our backup, right? Uh, that's the kind of situation I'm trying to say. Where it's like, yea, he wants to go, you want to go to a place where


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[Assistant] Maybe Buffalo. It's Josh Allen, Case Keenum, and Matt Corral. So he can develop, and maybe he can be the backup one day, and, you know, maybe something more than that as he develops and continues to get better.


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[Assistant] But, yeaah, I would guess that, you know, ultimately yeaah, they're thinking two-year deal. You know, it gives them some flexibility too. Again, if he doesn't play great...


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[Assistant] And they go, okay, he's not our future either. They can go back to next year's draft and go, and hey, we'll get a quarterback. And then we still got Jimmy G here if we need to make him the bridge guy or whatever else. So again, the options, I'm sure we're a little limited. And as we discussed, I mean, if it was down to the Texans and the Raiders.


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[Assistant] I, you know, I would take a few million dollars less to be the quarterback of the Raiders than quarterback the Texans, right? Just because, again, you want to be in a spot that you can be successful to, you know, strike it up for another contract with the Raiders or somebody else if, you know, things go a different direction.


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[Assistant] I do like that for them a lot. I do. You know, I've had some funny moments of trying to say, you know, you can't back up Mr. Glass with Mr. Glass, right? You know, and that was always a little peculiar to me. The Teddy Bridgewater injury history was the backup to Tua with an injury history, right?


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[Assistant] I know, I know, I know. Yes, you're exactly right. But who hasn't been in the NFL? He took some big hits. I love Mike White as a backup quarterback though. He's one of the better backup quarterbacks in all of football.


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[Assistant] Well, and he, that's a smart move by them. And, you know, backup quarterback with some starting quarterback, you know, potential. I don't know if he can ever be a superstar, but could he be a solid starting quarterback of volleyball? Yes. I think it makes a lot of sense. You know, that's a smart signing by the Miami Dolphins and it's, and no, again, the same thing.


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[Assistant] Smart by him too, cause if you do get a chance to get in there, oh my gosh, I get to throw to this crew and this offense and, you know, I can look good and maybe be a starter somewhere.


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[Assistant] Okay, if we draft Bryce Young at 2, we got Case Keenum and we don't have to have Bryce feel like he's got to start from us right away. Right? Yep.


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[Assistant] Yeah, again, another guy, you're right. You're making fun of me, but you're right. I'm not making fun of you.


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[Assistant] He can, he does not need a ton of reps. He's played enough too to feel comfortable. He is. He's one of the best backups in football. And really, yeah, a poor man's Jimmy Garoppolo for this situation right here. And it makes sense that they pivot to him right after they, you know, get, don't get the deal done with Jimmy G.


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[Assistant] You know, Chase, Chase has got a little bit of that 3-4 outside linebacker defense and versatility, right? So I think he does fit that scheme. You know, I get that. Good signing by them. I'm sure it wasn't big money, just a guy that gives them depth and some versatility in the roster.


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[Assistant] Alright, yeaah. It's, it's, it's needed. I mean, we talk about this a lot. They gotta change their attitude up front there in Buffalo. You know, I think they did that with Aaron Cromer as the offensive line coach. Now they gotta go start getting some players that fit his mentality a little bit. So, yeaah. You know, McGovern, good athlete, good run blocker there.


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[Assistant] I'm getting confused. I'm trying to think about which, which guy from what college is, which one, what college did he go to? Nobody knows. No, he's, he's Conor McGovern, um, Texas, no, no, Penn State Conor McGovern. Which one is, which one is? Yes, that's what it is. The guard or the center?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but that's good. They need that. We know that. They gotta start taking a little off Josh Allen's plate, get a little bit of a run game there going. You know, they're gonna, some value signings. Oh, and I see some other value offensive line signings here. Let's do it.


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[Assistant] You know, Andrew Wiley? Again, this is a team that's got some money spent in some other places that needs to spend some money on some other things, so they weren't gonna go out and spend huge money on offensive linemen. But damn, Andrew Wiley? Yeah, good. Now you got another starting lineman who's gotta get some versatility there. Tackle or guard.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think ideally tackle, but, you know, that's another team that we talked about through the year. They gotta get better in that department. They got better at the end of the year. Early on it was really bad, but I think this gives them a little more talent and versatility up front. You wanna guess the money? It was a three year deal. For Wiley? For Wiley.


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[Assistant] Okay, let's see. This is a different kind of one. It's not going to be top market kind of money. So I'm going to say it's like three years...


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[Assistant] 30 something million maybe? 24 million. Okay, so we got 8 million a year. Whatever you think, take it down a little bit. I gotta take it down to 2 million a year and just about everyone. Except for TJ Edwards, I gotta take it down to like 7 million a year.


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[Assistant] Hey, we know they're paying Terry McClellan, right? Curtis Samuels getting a decent chunk. You know, you got Jonathan Allen, you're paying big money. Daron Payne, which was a great signing by them, and getting that done, taking the franchise tag off. Daron Payne's one of the best defensive tackles in football. So, you keep that duo together. But they also gotta think about, wait, Chase Young and Montez Swett.


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[Assistant] You know, I am one that, yea, Chase Young's the number two pick of the draft. You've heard me say, I think Montez Sweat's a better pure pass rusher than Chase Young. Oh, he was an under-talked about player. Yea, exactly right. Yea, exactly right. So, I gotta think they're gonna try to put their best foot forward to maybe make something happen with him.


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[Assistant] So, they're trying not to break the bank on office alignment. And then the other thing I'll add on to that whole conversation with Washington is, if they're trying to pay Lamar Jackson, they can't pay some free agent right tackle, you know, 20 something million dollars a year right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, it's not gonna happen. I hear you. Ever? No, as far as like...


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[Assistant] It's not, it's not gonna happen as far as we're not gonna not talk about it. Maybe I'm not, I'm not gonna talk about it. You could try. He's gonna, they're gonna, his name gets infused into the news no matter what. He's a fun, I like, I love him. I hope he's in the NFL. I just want it to happen. No, I hear you.


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[Assistant] You know, two out of three years ACL injury, 31 plus years old.


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[Assistant] Right? $20 million a year is not gonna happen. We talked about this last year. Remember during the season, I was kinda saying in December when people were flirting with him, going, you know, I'm hearing from people around the league that Odell wants like $20 million a year. There's just no way that's gonna happen, right? So, with this, I envision


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[Assistant] And you try to go to the best team and put yourself in a spot to have a big year to then get another big deal. Or maybe it's a two or three year deal.


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[Assistant] Where the numbers to our eyes might look sexy and good and like how Odell wants to look at them. But they're really like, it's really a one year, ten million dollar deal where if he hits a bunch of incentives


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[Assistant] He can get 20 million, and then if the team keeps him for year two and three, they give him 20 million or 18 million a year, whatever like that. That's to me how I see it. But for me to sit here, and as much as I love Odell Beckham Jr.,


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[Assistant] Like, I don't see anybody going, yeah, yeah, Odell, we're going to sign you three years, 60 million. Boom. It's over. No problem. Gotcha. No problem. Haven't seen you play in a year. I don't think that's going to happen. It sucks. I mean, cause he's, when he's healthy, you know, he's truly worth that. But yeah, I think that's still a scary thing for conservative NFL coaches. Brian.


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[Assistant] Whoa, hey, Digits098043, thanks for the compliment, I like that. Uhm, that's amazing.


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[Assistant] Uh, so what does this mean? This means- First of all, what do you think? This means a little what I said. Yes. Orlando Brown had priced himself out of the market. Okay. Where they must have got to a number they were like- It's not gonna work. We'll pay you 20 million a year.


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[Assistant] But we can't pay a 25 a year. You know, I'm guessing that's somewhere where he wanted. Yea. Right? The top of the O line tackle market right now I think is at 22 a year, 23. It sounds like he was trying to bust that off. I like Jawan Taylor.


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[Assistant] I do. He had a really good year last year with the Jacksonville Jaguars. And again, I think Kansas City is one of those teams that knows how to coach up Old Lyman. He's big, he's a lot like Orlando Brown in a lot of ways, right? And they're gonna get him for a little less money. I'm not gonna say he's as good as Orlando Brown, but it's not far off.


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[Assistant] You know, so if they're saving 5 a year, 4 a year, 20 over a lifetime of a contract, that makes sense. I get that. And this is the sense I got. You know, it stinks. I really like Orlando Brown. You know, I like that, but this is a very good plan B to sign Joanne Taylor.


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[Assistant] Yeah, somebody, yeah, he's either gonna get what he wants or he's gonna get now off the Chiefs and settle for a few million less than what he was asking for.


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[Assistant] You know, and, and we'll see, you know, but that's, yeah, that's a risky, that's a risky move. And you know, the Chiefs are one of those teams, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] If you got good money in the bank, there's one of those teams where I'd go, I might take, you know, 20.


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[Assistant] A year, over 23 a year, just to stay with the Chiefs. Yeaah. And be one of the top teams in football and collect playoff checks every year and all of that. Uhm, but obviously they couldn't figure it out and, uh, I'll be interested to see where, where he goes, Orlando, and, uhm, yeaah.


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[Assistant] I gotta think that ends this, unless they're gonna go Jawan Taylor right tackle and then try to get Laramie Tunzel left tackle? Is that what they're gonna try to do? So Taylor was a right tackle this year, says Pete in my head. Oh yea, yea. I'm, I'm, I've got him mixed up. You're right. You're right. That was the other Jawan Taylor. I'm thinking of Cam Robinson. No, he's right. He's right. So that makes sense. That makes sense. That's interesting.


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[Assistant] You know, that is. So they lose Wiley. They got him at right tackle. And, okay, so that doesn't, I want to take back what I said. It doesn't cancel out Orlando Brown yet, but I think it does.


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[Assistant] It's, it's very, it's, it's a trouble. And I, I would think it's trouble. You think it makes it less likely of happening? Yeah, less likely. I'm not gonna say it's definitive, but I can't imagine them going, hey, Jawan Taylor, 20 million a year.


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[Assistant] Hey Orlando Brown, more than 20 million a year at left tackle. I don't know. So I'm guessing that means he's gone. But damn, if they trade for Laramie Tunzel, you know, he's 22 million a year. Plus what are you going to trade to get him to do that? That's one where I got to see that one to believe it as of, as we stand here right now. Yes. See if Patrick Mulholland.


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[Assistant] In Miami. I did a little thing with him for Unbuttoned when I first got here, you know, with NBC, hung out with him for a day. You know, he was kind of like one of my...


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[Assistant] Guys how I like to do, you know, like you do now. He was my Robin Hood or guys that don't get talked about enough that are really awesome players. And he had been somebody I'd been talking about. So I just was like,


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[Assistant] Damn, let's go give one of these, you know, big effers, one of these big left tackles some love. And, uh, he was a blast. You know, had a bad rap coming out of college, right?


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[Assistant] Because he, somebody took a picture of him with the mask on, right? I heard his drafts capital and all that. But, uh, yeaah, he was awesome and, uh, he is definitely one of the best pass protecting left tackles in football.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, not shocking there either. They will release them. Yeah. Not shocking.


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[Assistant] They kinda, I think, desperately traded for him last year because of the issues they had in the interior part of the offensive line. Yeaah. And probably, you know, overpaid to a degree to get him from the New England Patriots, but yeaah, just uhm, you know, a guy that's a good player, but it's fallen off a little bit ever since he signed his contract with the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can do it both ways. I think the best combination is free agency and the draft. I mean, I am one that, yeah, you want to draft and develop. That's the number one thing if you want to, you know, balance the checkbook the right way, right? But that combination of


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[Assistant] Free agency in the draft, that working together, and then I'm more of a looking of like,


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[Assistant] There's more edge towards draft and develop that way. I think you see more of that than anything else and then, you know, try to fill in the pieces with pre-agents.


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[Assistant] Shawshank is one of those where anytime it's on TV, I have to stop to see what part it's at, right? Cause there's like four or five parts where you haven't seen that movie, right? I have seen Shawshank. You have seen it? Yeah, I did see it a few years ago. You've seen that one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but, the, yeah, I gotta, I always have to check it out, see where it's at.


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[Assistant] I'm interested with this 49ers thing. What do you mean? Well, just with the Javon Hargrave signing.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, just how I explained it, are they gonna move arms to, uh, you know, EBCOM's a deep, uh, a pass rusher who's a free agent. You know, the pass rushing market,


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[Assistant] There's no stars on it this year. I think you're gonna see some guys get overpaid maybe.


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[Assistant] Right, but with like, are the, are the 49ers gonna keep Hargrave, Armstead, and Jevon Kenlaw?


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[Assistant] That's gonna be the interesting thing there. I don't know if that's feasible or possible.


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[Assistant] Okay, so there you go. So they have somebody else in mind at right tackle.


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[Assistant] And now they're going to move him to left. So my original thought was right, even though I got him confused with the second and thought he was at left tackle, but he's a right tackle. But that makes sense. He certainly can do that. And he's got all the measurables and length. He's a lot like.


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[Assistant] Orlando Brown, in a lot of ways. Giant guy who came out of the draft, who were a little worried about his foot speed, you know, body a little sloppy.


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[Assistant] I figured it out, became a professional, and...


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[Assistant] You know, it was damn good. So, and I, that's another one too where you, we've talked about this before. Andy Reid's got an eye for offense alignment. Uh, it's one where when you sign, when he signs you, I go, oh, well he sees something, he's gonna be able to


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[Assistant] Totally fix this guy, make him do exactly the way he wants to, and, you know, they'll be all set. But, yeaah, so Orlando Brown is gone, and obviously Orlando Brown has put himself on a...


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[Assistant] A very big price tag, uh, as far as what he's expecting at that left tackle position.


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[Assistant] No, no. By the way, it looks like it's all right now. He's obviously put in an expense. We have some teams that are in free agency that have money that need tackles. The Bears being another one of them. But the price must be big.


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[Assistant] Right? To where everybody's like, wait, I'm not sure. Let's see what other options are out there. Let's see if we can get something done first before we give that type of money. So uhm, that, that's where, you know, it'll be cool to see and see if the Bears make any other moves here at the offensive line position before the day's over in the next 24 hours.


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[Assistant] T's dotted, T's crossed. Yeah, I think they probably, I bet you most, I think that's all done.


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[Assistant] I would think that within how deep these conversations have gone, that they've already addressed the parameters of the trade, right?


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[Assistant] And now it's just waiting on Rogers to make the decision, but I would think they've gotten far enough. Like you said, maybe there's a few minor dot the T, but the meat and potatoes of the deal is worked out.


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[Assistant] And, you know, to add all of this to, you know, again, I don't think this, like, don't be shocked. I don't think this is going to be some crazy, like, trade package.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I'll be interested to see if some of his friends come with him, but I don't think the Jets are gonna have to send like, you know, big time picks here. This is, again, we're at a place here where


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[Assistant] The Packers have stated they're done. They'd like to move on. So they can't sit there and hold the Jets feet to the fire for every, you know, last asset in the world. Right? So it seems like both teams want to make this work.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I'd be shocked. I really thought we were going to hear about Rodgers on Friday or Saturday of last week. I would think we're going to hear it, but at least by Wednesday. Uhm, but I, you know, yeaah, it's, it's Jets are right.


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[Assistant] Everyone loses. It's hard to add context to Twitter arguments or really explain yourself


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[Assistant] This is a perfect time to end it, I think. I'm interested to see if, like, for my, for me personally, the G-Men, I wanna see if they're gonna make a move at, you know...


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[Assistant] One of these receivers over the next day or two, anything there? Yeah. Anybody they're gonna make a splash with? You know, the Jets, Lamar, all that's a great conversation. The Orlando Brown thing we talked about. Uhm. Well, we'll be back here on Wednesday too. I know, so we'll be able to unpack all of this.


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[Assistant] But you couldn't swear though. You couldn't swear. I had a few hiccups. What's that?


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[Assistant] I know. I didn't say the f-words. I gotta shit out here and there. You know, they told me, my bosses told me not to say too many f-words on this one, so I said, okay, I'll do my best not to do that. Yeah. I did alright. I almost came out with one.


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[Assistant] What's scary right now is yeaah, the jets are gonna be cornered.


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[Assistant] Like, yeah. Where are they going? No backup Jimmy G if they don't get Rodgers.


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[Assistant] Where are they gonna go? Well, I don't know. Maybe that's where, maybe Lamar will get, you know, he'll get lucky and he'll get some weird dysfunctional situation, kinda like Deshaun Watson got, and get paid that way. So, that's pretty, what was like, so far, what was the shock?


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[Assistant] Signing for you. For me? Yea, anything out there? I mean, Javon Hargrave, right? That was a shocker. Right off the top of our showbiz. I just, well, cause I don't know what to make of it. I don't. You know, there's a part of me that goes like, are they not happy with Javon Kinlaw? He was a little injured last year, he hasn't lived up maybe to the, you know, what was he, the number 12 pick in the draft? Billing?


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[Assistant] So I was surprised, or are they just going like, hey, screw you, we're just gonna have so many good D linemen, it doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] You know, but again, that type of money, Eric Armstead, and then they're gonna pay Nick Bosa this offseason at some point. I'd just be interested to kind of see what they go there, or if we start to hear that like, Jovan Kinlaw's on the trade block here at some point today. You know, as things settle down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we scarred them. They're going to take the upward route now for now. I applaud the courage. That's your fault. That's almond's fault. That's my fault. I gotta say everything is.


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[Assistant] Good time to be alive. You know Chris Simms on Button. We will be mainly Tuesdays and Thursdays in the offseason. This week we're going Monday and Wednesday. Okay. Right? But next week I think we start going Tuesday, Thursday consistently. Is that true? I didn't know that. I'm pretty sure.


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[Assistant] I don't know where I thought I saw those dates when I measured it out, and obviously I don't read so well, okay? So maybe I'm wrong in that department. But, you know where to find us. Chris Sims, I'm Bud, and I will be here all year long.


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[Assistant] Continue to break down stories, news, draft, all that. Uh, check us out at PFT. Florio and I, every morning, 7am, streaming live on Peacock. There's another rerun of the show from 1 to 3 Eastern. And of course, you can go on Peacock at any point.


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[Assistant] And just find the show and play the latest version that's available and you can watch it from there. But, uh, Pro Football Talk with Mike Florio.


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[Assistant] Chris Sims on button here with me and Ahmed, and then Ahmed with baseball.


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[Assistant] Alex, you're right. It's time. Alright? Here we go. We'll see you Wednesday. Stay in tune with us. Thanks for tuning in. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Damn, woo! You're talking about compliments. That just, I glossed over that. I mean, what a nice compliment. Thank you. I mean, seriously. I, I, I, I'll be compared


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[Assistant] But then they go, he looks jacked like JJ Watt. Yea, he's very strong. And then I'm feeling good again, myself again. I go, he is tall. I will say that. I go, he is tall. Uh, you're crazy. You'd have to make some different t-shirts if it were JJ Watt here. I know. Have you ever seen JJ Watt in person?


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[Assistant] I have not. Oh, it's, yea, I mean he's, you know, it's like a caricature. It really is. Is it like 3X? Are we talking triple, triple?


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[Assistant] Yeah, triple X. And then, well, guys like him that are so impressive, right, is just that they're huge.


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[Assistant] When you add on, I mean, his butt and his thighs, I mean his thighs are enormous, uh, and that's usually how great football players are made.


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[Assistant] They've all played each other before. It is definitely rare. I mean, it's, it's like, first off, one of those things where I'm going to go, do you like that or not?


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[Assistant] Totally. Yeah, I know, right? It's a, you know, it is interesting conversation of like, I don't love repeat things either. I don't, I definitely don't like a divisional matchup right away here, right? It's like, man, we've seen Seattle 49ers twice. We're going to watch it again. One of them was just a few weeks ago. There was a time, do you remember this back in the day where, in the wild card weekend, no matter what your ranking was,


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[Assistant] They were not gonna have divisional teams play each other, right? Yeah, I do remember that. How'd they do that? Late 80s, they would just mix it up and go, okay, wait, you weren't supposed to play them, but...


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[Assistant] That's amazing. That really is. That's tight. That's why the league's awesome.


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[Assistant] Absolutely not. I think it's one of the more disappointing things when you go back and watch it because you go, you know, even, you know, prior to that game, you go, wait, wait, didn't you watch the Dolphins game? Didn't you watch, you know, the, uh, the Kansas City Chiefs and some of the things?


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[Assistant] You know, they did do expose those coverages. That was the first thing that was disappointing to me. It was just that, wait, wait, you know, hey, the 49ers, you know, we've talked about them. They're extremely talented. They kind of have like, it's not like, I don't want to say simplistic, right? Cause that's not fair.


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[Assistant] They're not like too crazy in their varieties of defenses. They are one of those teams that you can kind of classify as go, Hey, we're kind of good.


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[Assistant] And you know what we're doing, but we don't give a shit, cause you won't be able to do it anyways, right? There, they are like that, except there's a little bit of a, there's a wrinkle every game or a little change up here or there to how they play the coverage and that can throw you off. But, um, yeah, there was no.


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[Assistant] Quarter's attack, which was disappointing, right off the bat. Okay? And to me, the game looked like it was a game where they just called plays hoping they'd hit the right play against the right coverage.


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[Assistant] And that's just not the right approach either with the San Francisco 49ers. Then the second thing that I think is concerning, and you saw this in my notes, is you can tell they're extremely concerned about their ability to protect against the 49ers pass rush. Seattle's offensive line is not great as we've kind of said all year long.


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[Assistant] You know, even in this game, you know, there wasn't great run statistics, but the good runs were just one guy being fantastic, not necessarily domination of the line of scrimmage. So between the not understanding of that and then the not understanding of how to take advantage of quarters coverage,


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[Assistant] And again, we've hit on this. Seattle's offense is better than it was with Russell Wilson. I still don't sit here and go, oh wow, it's crazy creative, right? I think people have gotten a little too far and like, oh wow, they do everything. I'm like, no, they're, they do more, but it's not, oh wowing. But.


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[Assistant] The protection was such an issue, it actually caused more issues.


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[Assistant] And it played right into the wheelhouse of the 49ers. And to think that, okay, protection is the issue and now we're just gonna have everybody run short routes and do stuff like that. I mean, I understand the thought.


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[Assistant] I don't think that thought's correct when you really start to dive into it a little bit. They need to go deep downfield. You gotta attack them a little bit. You're just gonna always let them be in.


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[Assistant] Downhill. We don't have to worry about anything behind us. Everything short is coming out. We can be aggressive. We can fly around the field. We can show the blitz and then back out and we're all in position to stop the short pass, right? Or we can just blitz and...


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[Assistant] Then you guys know the short pass is coming and just rally and make the tackle, right? It's like, it's like, hey, if you want the success for the 49ers defense, this is what you do. Like, no, you don't want to do that. And you're exactly right. You saw that in my notes, right?


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[Assistant] If you want to throw these short routes, that's fine, but don't have five guys running four yard routes. Have some guys clear it out a little bit so the windows aren't so, I mean, he makes so many throws in the game where I go,


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[Assistant] That wasn't even worth, the risk was not even worth the reward. Yeah, he got the four yard stick route, Ahmed.


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[Assistant] But it's like, he jammed it in between Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw and you're like, oh, woo, that was close to being a pick six or a, you know, he gets hit and the ball pops in the air and he fumbles. And I think the passing chart here, if you're watching on the NBC Sports YouTube page, you'll see it, it exemplifies that.


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[Assistant] No, the only thing they did down the field at all in the game was like throw back shoulders. Like you see the one on the sidelines there that are like 18, you know, 12 yards. That's all they were.


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[Assistant] They weren't like, oh wait, there's a design play and this guy ended up running a corner route or an out route and that's how they got there. It was just like, oh, he's one on one. Let me throw the perfect throw so, you know, we can have maybe the most perfect catch against a guy like Javarius Ward. So that's my big thing.


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[Assistant] And those are a plus 20 yards, right? Plus 20 yards downfield. So that's what they want to do. That's what I'm trying to say here and you're leading me there finally. So can they? Can they just decide to do it? Yeaah. They're doing themselves a disservice as far as they're chopping a leg out of one of the areas that they can actually hurt the 49ers.


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[Assistant] You know, they, they can't do it within that approach, right?


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[Assistant] If you think you're just gonna, they gotta do it with a different way.


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[Assistant] And again, short's fine, but like you heard me say.


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[Assistant] You know, the Dolphins were great at this in their game against the 49ers. They'd send three, four people deep. So now the corners and the safeties are all turning around. We looked at a few of these plays even on social. And then there's a guy like over the middle at five or six yards.


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[Assistant] But he's like one on one with a linebacker and you're going, well, this is what we want. Waddle on a linebacker. Well, they can do the same thing. Lock it on a linebacker. I know the 49 linebackers are awesome, but here's the thing too. You know,


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[Assistant] Yes, they gotta keep, they gotta have a few plays in this game plan, in my opinion, of six and seven man pass protection. Right?


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[Assistant] And, and when you do it too, don't be in such normal, oh, it's tight end and receiver to the right and two receivers to the left and we're going to keep the tight end in and the back end and we're going to block.


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[Assistant] Okay, so now we have one receiver on the right and two receivers on the left and that's too simple. It's going to be simple routries. It's even if they blitz, it's going to be simple for them to pick it up.


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[Assistant] You still saw some of the formations I wrote in my notes a little bit, just as far as explaining, like, they gotta get in some formations that are gonna stress their coverage, stress their blitzes a little bit, and put them in some


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[Assistant] Some spots where it's like, oh no, oh, you're going to blitz. Well, we could see it because we have three receivers over here and now you kind of have to show it. So we know you're coming and now we can even run to the other side or I can get to my max protection. And that's what I would like to see. Tight end to the right, three receivers to the left.


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[Assistant] The back can be offset either way, and then you can play with him as far as, hey, I'd like you to stay in a block if they blitz, but if they don't, get out and be the underneath guy. The tight end stays in the block, but within those formations, like I'm telling you, it can become hard to disguise.


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[Assistant] The other thing is you can get some interesting three man combinations there that can make it hard. Even if they don't blitz, you're going to go, okay, this is not the worst.


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[Assistant] Hopefully you can call a play where, hey, all five eligible is out. Blue 85, blue 85 said, hot, hot, hot. Okay. It was a dummy snap count. Oh, I see the blitz coming. Hey, I called that other play in the huddle where we're going to block it up and we're going to be aggressive down the field. Check, check, check. Right. And now.


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[Assistant] Now we got a guy going a post route and a guy running a corner route on the inside and then the third guy's under, you know, runs the five yard out and then comes back underneath, right? So now you go, oh, whoa, it's a three level throw. We got a six and seven man protection. Gino's a great downfield thrower. We got two receivers. They got rockets up their ass and now we can start to put some pressure on them instead of,


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[Assistant] Always being under pressure. That to me is something that's gotta change. I'm sorry I talked so long there, I just... You mentioned a lot of things there.


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[Assistant] I think your last one's a lie. Because I honestly, as I'm thinking about it, I feel like Lockett's the only yak guy.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen's got such great weapons though. That's just shocking. I'm really so shocked by that. You can use that stat. I'm gonna. If you tune onto me with other radio shows and things I do, that will be in the arsenal for the Josh Allen conversation. Uhm, but he's been taking


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[Assistant] I think that's exactly right. You know, they're trying to limit the Nick Bosa strip sack fumble, all that. I understand the thought. I think it just has to be a different approach to that thought. And you know, the yark yak thing, you know, it's, it's funny because when you're reading it at first, when you see it right away, you go, well, that can't be true. But then I started to go, wait, DK Metcalf's not a yak guy.


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[Assistant] And then Locket is kind of a, he's got that ability, but as you think about them and you think about their highlights, I was just like,


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[Assistant] No, it's usually down the field throws. It's a 50 yard post or a.


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[Assistant] Back shoulder go route or something like that. Diving catch toe tap out of bounds. Exactly. It's kind of that type of stuff.


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[Assistant] That's, that's very interesting. But you know, the bottom line here to what you're talking about, you said it right there. I'm going to just sum it up a little bit with like what I said at the end of my thing there. Their attack is way too simple and vanilla. They're just calling plays, hoping to get lucky, short routes, simple routes, simple formations.


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[Assistant] Easy on the 49ers makes it easier for them to be aggressive.


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[Assistant] So that's where I, I feel like that's where they have to look, go back at the film and go, oh wait, wait, wait. We actually played into their hands a little bit in the way we did that. And, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, and then I wrote the two back shoulders and the only throws downfield. 0 for 2. And you know, one was OPI actually.


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[Assistant] Hope for that, then I do the other side as it stands right now. You're hoping for that. Yea, I am.


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[Assistant] Yes. I have more confidence that their defense can be more of a pain in the ass right now than I do their offense. Like I said, I mean, like we talked about, their offense obviously needs a drastic change in approach that I haven't seen anything yet to go, ooh, I think they can do it. I'm hoping they do some of the things I say and that might help out. I'm sure they're going to have some things as well. But, you know, breaking down that matchup, right?


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[Assistant] They have the one drive early on where they go down nine plays, 86 yards early in the game. You know, Shanahan throwing some things at them and through the great screen pass down the middle of the Kittle, right? Which is just a great game plan design play. Fake the screen to the left, fake the screen to the right. The guy kind of


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[Assistant] But Pete Carroll and this coaching staff to me has shown a little bit of a propensity to understand how Shanahan operates a little.


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[Assistant] For the most part, they're pretty good at usually taking away some of his tricks.


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[Assistant] They're not afraid to take some calculated risk like we've talked about with some teams. When a team is so good on offense, you gotta do some things every now and then. They just go, they couldn't have planned for this or, you know, we're not even totally being sound with this, but we're going to take a chance here, right? You gotta do some of that. So they're willing to do that. I love that. Um, and when you really break down the game,


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[Assistant] That drive, their next touchdown drive was off Travis Homer catching a ball and getting hit and fumbled and they returned the ball down the six yard line. That was their other touchdown. And then you talk about George Kittle running free, right? On this third touchdown.


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[Assistant] They just blew a simple coverage. So again, I mean, that's concerning.


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[Assistant] I'd be more concerned if I went, well, they just went down the field, five plays, easy throws, 85 yards touchdown, right? That to me is like, oh, when they're picking you apart.


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[Assistant] These are ones where I go, no, they got put in some bad, a bad spot and then they messed up something that honestly, I think if they do a hundred more times, they won't mess it up again, right? So that's where I give them hope.


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[Assistant] They're not afraid to crowd the line of scrimmage early on in the football game. They were playing, I mean, they will go all in on that department.


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[Assistant] They wanna play some man to man to stop some of the inside slants and play action passes and all that, but Shanahan's so brilliant. He's always got his guys in tight splits and things like that when he wants to do that stuff, so you can't jam him, you know. It makes it tough on him there.


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[Assistant] I think there are some positive things here. And here's the last thing is I continue to ramble here a little bit. Early on when they got some good runs on them.


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[Assistant] You know, they were trying to have their D tackles kind of two gap, right? And Shanahan again, he's too smart.


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[Assistant] You can't live in 2GAP unless you just have some absolute super freaks up front where you just go


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[Assistant] Whoa, we can dominate anybody, right? Back like early 2000 Patriots and, you know, great defenses like the Ravens where they just, oh, we don't care what offensive line is, we'll just stand you up and we're going to make the play, right? They don't have that. They were trying to do that. And then what was Shanahan doing? Oh, you want a two gap?


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[Assistant] Well, we'll run some zone scheme, and we'll make the freaking gap so big.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, you disengage and you're in the right gap, but the gap is six yards long and my running back can still get through there, right? So where they adjusted to start playing some single gap defenses. And as we've talked about with great running teams too, you know, they started doing the


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[Assistant] Shoot your gun principle, you know what I'm, remember that what I'm talking about? Like, shoot your gun. Like, don't, don't be a linebacker and just shuffle down the line of scrimmage like, hey, I'm in my hole, I'm in my hole. There's a f***ing hole, run through it, right? Good chance the running back's gonna be running through there soon. So just run through it, cause chaos. They started doing that.


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[Assistant] And it gave the 49ers run game some issues. They ripped off a few big runs. The running stats are a little bit of a lie just because the game was over.


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[Assistant] And Jordan Mason broke a 55 yard run to make the stats look a little bit better than they were.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, I have some hope for Seattle to be a pain in the ass in this department. Missing a key piece.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Cause he's just, he's, he's such a good clean up the trash guy. And then, you know, for a game like this where, yeah, they're going to have to take some chances and guys are going to shoot in gaps. He's your guy that's like, Oh, we shot all the gaps and.


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[Assistant] Now McCaffrey bouncing outside, you know, he's the guy that would run you down and be like, oh, you only got four yards. You don't, you go, you know, most teams might have turned the corner for 50, but not against me, right? That's where he's great. And of course he's good in pass coverage. He's, he's one of the best middle linebackers in football. Um, and that will hurt them for sure.


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[Assistant] Whoa. I made this mistake in the first game of the year with the 49ers. I thought it would benefit them against the Bears. Cause I go, well, they'll just run the ball and now they'll be better. But what it did is negated their team speed, which is great. And that's where they beat teams. That's where I missed that point, thinking about that game prior to it.


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[Assistant] And I would say this would be an advantage for the Seahawks.


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[Assistant] You know, again, if the game is played equal and clean, the 49ers are gonna win.


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[Assistant] You know, this is the kind of elements here where, hey, well, maybe Brock Purdy, the ball slips out of his hand. Maybe, you know, Brandon Iooks running up the sidelines and we just tackle him, but it's so wet, the ball fumbles. That's what always scares me about these type of football games. I think ultimately, I mean,


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[Assistant] It's still probably advantage 49ers just because they're better up front on both sides of the ball. And you know, in mud games, that's always a good thing. But to what you just said, they can be a pain in the ass for the 49ers on this side. And if they can just be like we talked about a little, what, two weeks ago with the Jets when they played them,


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[Assistant] If they can just get them into third and five or more, the Seahawks are a pain in the butt because they can cover and they can be creative with their pressure packages and that's where there have been a pain in the butt for defenses all year long.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's back. He is. And I think he'll be, he's close to, he'll get into close to 100% from what I know.


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[Assistant] Well, he, George Kittle too. Right. The thing that stinks about Deebo Samuel is you, you want to pick them and then you go, wow, they decide to run them today. Now he's, he's got 142 rushing and he's got 12 receiving and you're like, ah, damn.


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[Assistant] Who's most likely to go over 100 yards? Well, in this one here, alright, just for the overs and unders there, I like the Tyler Lockett aspect of this more than anything. Uhm, Metcalf is more of an outside receiver.


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[Assistant] You know, they're gonna fi- Charvarius Ward is good. He's been one of the best additions to defense and the NFC. To where he can be a pain in the butt for- he can match up with, with, uh,


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[Assistant] With DK as far as when they play their quarters and there is some man-to-man elements on the outside like that, right? He's not outsized. Charly Barrios is a pretty big guy for a corner and he can really run.


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[Assistant] So he's not like, oh gosh, I gotta run and protect the go route all the time, right? So he can run with them to where he can feel comfortable. Wait, when you put on the brakes, I can put on the brakes and do that.


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[Assistant] Locket, I just would be shocked that they didn't do some of the shit we talked about. Sure. Right? Hey, there goes, send Metcalf deep. See ya later. Hey, you know, Goodwin, you go deep. See ya later. And now we got Locket underneath against Fred Warner one on one, and as awesome as Fred Warner is, that's still an advantage Locket.


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[Assistant] He's never going to be a bona fide, you know, 12, 14 sack a year type of guy. I don't think, but I think he'll always flirt with around 10, you know, and he's a football player. He's great against the run. He's got a lot of plays where you go, Ooh.


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[Assistant] Definitely. It's good of you to give love to a guy that's, because the team wasn't good this year, has gotten forgotten about a little bit, but definitely still one of the best defensive tackles in football. I mean, he's


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[Assistant] He really is. He's a rare, rare guy. Uh, he'd be another guy like we started out the show.


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[Assistant] Damn, I just too stabbed and allied you and you can figure it out. I almost gave it to Josh Allen. Okay. He won it week three. Yeaah. But, uh, alright.


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[Assistant] Wow, there's gotta be butt shots of these guys. That could be a good segment.


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[Assistant] What? Just identify that butt? Yeah, identify that butt. We used to do that. We could bring like, and it's, you know, like have it, like Morgan comes on and go, Morgan, which, you know, do you think that's the Boris Buckner or Chananawooses butt? Exactly. And then she's got to figure it out.


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[Assistant] I mean, let's start on the offensive side of the ball. Okay. Right? It's just simple, but I think they fell in the trap a little bit in this game.


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[Assistant] And I mean that because Minnesota's a bad defense, as we know. And their past defense is, it's the worst, right? I mean, I just want to double check as I'm sitting here, but it's the worst in football. Oh no, it's second worst, sorry. Who's the worst? Tennessee Titans were worst. Wow.


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[Assistant] You know, and a little of that's skewed, I would say, because most people just went, wait, we can't run on the Tennessee Titans, so we're not even gonna try, right? Yeah. Yeah, so there's a little there. But I would say that's where the number one thing, if we just had a broad theme, and I'll get into more specifics here in a minute,


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[Assistant] I do feel like the game plan, they came out throwing the football.


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[Assistant] And again, not that they can't do that, I just don't think it maximizes...


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[Assistant] We've talked about this a little bit, right? We talked about this when we did the New England-Minnesota game. We talked about this all year. I mean, Minnesota's so bad on defense, they play past defenses and teams go,


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[Assistant] We're still gonna pass it, cause we still think, like, even though you're playing for the pass, you're bad at it, and we'll get a 15 yard completion. It'll still beat the run, even though you're playing pass defense.


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[Assistant] And that's where I just went, ooh, you know what, Giants, you're definitely better at passing, but you're not that team that just go, wait, they're playing pass the events and we can just throw on them too. Like you're not there yet.


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[Assistant] So I thought they dropped the ball a little bit in that department. That would be the one area just right off the bat.


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[Assistant] That's another thing that jumped out. No Daniel Jones quarterback design runs, right? I would think for sure we're going to see that breaking out in this game. He had 34 rushing yards, but that was all off scrambles. It was all off of scrambles. Exactly right. So, uh, I would think that becomes more of an element of this football game.


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[Assistant] You know, playing through the run that way. And here's the other reason, you know.


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[Assistant] I, I, I like that. One, when you go up there, you play in that stadium, one of the things you have to worry about is the crowd noise, aka the pass rush along with it, right? It kinda goes both into it. Evan Neal struggled against Daniel Hunter in that game. That's where I'd go, run game's gonna slow that down a little bit.


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[Assistant] Run game, play action, run game, boots. I'd like the Giants to stay in that wheelhouse there to help out Evan Neal, right? You saw some of that there. And uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, I also think within the play action pass, you know, they know they're not great at run. They can be over aggressive a little bit at the second level and then the play action pass. The other thing I love about it too is.


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[Assistant] You saw in my notes, it opens up great lanes not only for Daniel Jones to throw, and he's a great play action passer, but it opens up great lanes for him to throw the football too. Again, it spreads, you know, think about it, you fake a run, you get 9 or 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] You know, guys are trying to get after you in the pass rush. You've had guys who've gotten sucked up with the run fake and now they've turned their back and they're running down field, uh, you know, cover guys and usually play action passes are a little bit more aggressive down the field, right? So now the safeties are far off to where if you get that lane or whatever else,


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[Assistant] He's going to be able to rip off some big runs scrambling as well. So, I look at that and I think my other thing with my running thing here is just that it helps their defense. It helps keep


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[Assistant] Justin Jefferson and Kirk Cousins off the field too, which is, you know, gotta be part of the thought process here. The Giants defense is not great, and they gotta help that part out too.


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[Assistant] You know, watching the game back, it was very apparent to go,


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[Assistant] Offense seems easier for the Giants than the Vikings. The Giants, you kept going, well, here they go. They're kind of marching down the field. Whoa, here we go. Bless you, Morgan.


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[Assistant] And up and down the field. And then the Vikings, you kind of got like, oh, there was a good play. And then you were like.


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[Assistant] Oh, that was almost a disaster. Oh gosh, how did they, man, that's amazing they got five yards in that play. You know, it was a lot of that. It wasn't like it was a, a well-oiled machine. I certainly got more of a feeling of that, you know, and that goes back into some of the things we've talked about with Minnesota. There's no disguises, right? You know, and that's where I think, like,


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[Assistant] I mean, this sort of is a little bit of like, hey, this is what we do when we're going to live in this wheelhouse to where I would think of Brian Dayball and Mike Kafka and company with how they played the game are going to be able to go, wait, wait, they're going to kind of do this when we get in these coverages and it's going to allow them to dial up some plays. I think that could really screw them over. I'm excited about that. And let's not forget this about the Giants offense in this game.


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[Assistant] Bellinger fumbled in scoring red zone before the half.


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[Assistant] Daniel Jones throws an interception in the red zone, right? And, you know, it was a good play by Patrick Peterson, but these are things we have not seen them do.


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[Assistant] They had a punt block at the end of the football game, right? They were not good on third down. They were not good. Richie James at one point early in the fourth quarter dropped a slant route over the middle.


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[Assistant] Where he's gonna get 10, 15 yards on like third and five and they're gonna be in the red zone and so they had to settle for a field goal.


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[Assistant] So, yea, they made some things, or made some mistakes, like you talked about the turnover ratio, and it's really more than that when you talk about the block punt, to where you go, wait, they were the ones that didn't play the clean game and still almost won, and that's where the Giants can be encouraged by all this.


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[Assistant] I can live with that stat line right there. I think the Giants could beat them with that stat line once again. You know, the Giants found a way to pressure for the most part


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[Assistant] And then play zone behind it. And to me, that's, you know, I mean, you've heard me talk about this before. Great defensive coordinators. That's when I know they have a good feel for an offense. And you've heard me say, Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings offense is good, but I don't sit here


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[Assistant] With like, you know, my brain blowing up emoji to go, whoa, this is the coolest plays and things like that. It's not that. You just got all the good staples, the basics, they're detailed, they're smart, how they do it. It's all that. But I don't go, oh wow, man, this is going to pose problems. And a guy like Wink, he figured out, wait,


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[Assistant] I got way, I can blitz them and still kind of play guys in the right area in the zone to where it's going to be, make life hard on you. And Justin Jefferson, yeah, 133 yards, but it was 16 targets. It's 12 receptions. I think the big thing is we just don't want, you know, big plays. No 60 yarders, you know.


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[Assistant] No, no six catch, 195 yard day. That's when I would go, ooh, that would be way more troubling to me than the number we see right here.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Right. I mean, between those two running backs and they're, you know, again, I know it's not a great run blocking offensive line, but this is a Giants defense that's not very good against a run. And what I said, and you saw in my notes, as long as you don't run at 97 and 99, you can run on the Giants.


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[Assistant] And that's where I would think this comes into play a little bit. Runs on the edge. Cause the Giants middle linebackers are not good. And I also think that's part of the reason they blitzed a lot in this game. Cause they were like, we can't leave Jalen Smith and, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, what's his other name? Uh, 41, I'm blanking on his name right now at the top of my head. McFadden, excuse me, the way to go, Pete, thank you. They, they can't depend on them to cover. Yeah. So I think they also like almost default blitz cause they're like, well, we don't know what to do to them. They're kind of liability there. So let's just send them and pressure them. But that I would say for the Vikings, they want to run more too.


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[Assistant] Just because you get pass happy with Wink Martindale, that just, he's too creative and smart. He's too creative in the coverages, he's too creative in how to expose your pass protection, which he did a number of times. And I just wouldn't want Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence only thinking about pass. They pushed that interior part of that offensive line back into Kirk Cousins' face a lot during the game.


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[Assistant] And I just would be shocked if they don't try to run the ball a little bit more in this one.


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[Assistant] You know, it's when their belief and confidence was the highest. Nobody had exposed them. And, you know, where the game is a little weird, is that...


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[Assistant] You know, if you remember, the Cowboys didn't play their players in the preseason. So this was their first game. They were kind of like, trying to, they didn't play well, Dak didn't throw the ball well.


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[Assistant] There was no Tony Pollard involved in the game plan. No Michael Gallup. They didn't even know who their second and third receivers were that they could depend on other than CD Lamb at that point, right? So that's where it is a little hard, but I will say this just nonetheless.


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[Assistant] The Cowboys are better, but you know me, this is a matchup sport. And the, the Bucks pose some, some tough matchups to the Cowboys for sure. More so on offense or defense? I think more so...


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[Assistant] With their offense, that could be a pain in the butt. Whose offense? Well, the, the Cowboys offense could be a pain for the Cowboys, I mean, sorry, excuse me, the Bucks offense could be a pain for the Cowboys defense. Okay? That's where I, I think more prob, that's what scares me. Let's start again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I think they have a little bit of an identity and know who they were. Like that game, I don't think they knew what to do. Like they were kind of like, Hey, we want to throw the ball.


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[Assistant] You know, but we're not throwing that good and Michael Gallups out there and they hadn't played much in the preseason and Tyler Smith was playing his first game ever at left tackle, right? So there was some moving parts and some new things there to where


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[Assistant] You know, of course got better at the pass game when Dak Prescott got back, right?


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[Assistant] You know, my, my gut tells me they are going, like, Dak is not playing great. You, we've hit on this like three or four weeks ago, right? You know, just, he's not throwing the ball great. Within his throwing, it's affecting his decisions. Cause he's a little afraid to cut it loose into some tight windows.


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[Assistant] Right? I too also think, and this is where it's hard for this matchup, you know, I hear the last two games and all that, but what was the real, you know, I do think it's hard to be motivated and go all in.


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[Assistant] You know, okay, maybe we can still win the division, maybe, but the Eagles are gonna have to f*** up and they know how good the Eagles are, so I'm sure they doubted that. You play Tennessee on a Thursday night, they play none of their starters. So yea, what do you think, you were gonna get the best effort from the Cowboys? Where they're going out there in pregame going, I don't even know who the f*** that guy is over there, I'm playing him tonight?


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[Assistant] Right? So that, and then you can say all you want. I know it's a week 18 matchup.


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[Assistant] But they're not, they know the Giants backups are playing against the Eagles. They're not sitting there going, well, the Giants have a real chance, right? So they're not like emotionally invested in the game. And that's where it's a little hard, but they are going through a little lull. There's no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] You know, their defense is worrisome a little bit there. I don't worry about their offense as much in this matchup. I don't. And I'm not going to tell you a lot from this first time around because I don't think there's a lot to gleam from it.


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[Assistant] Right? But the Cowboys are much better on the offensive side of the ball. And the Cowboys, really for the most part, have been a force running the ball.


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[Assistant] I think that'll be a little bit more of an element that Tampa hasn't had to defend against them in both matchups.


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[Assistant] So that's the first thing right off the bat. And if you remember, Michael Parsons wasn't even a full-time defense end there at that point, right? They're better on defense now than they were then.


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[Assistant] Passing the ball, if it became a, oh, Tom Brady's gotta throw the ball 40-something times today, 45 times, I don't think they'll be able to win the game. If it's high 20s, low 30s, that tells me, oh wait, they're running the ball effectively enough to where they can lean on this a little bit. You know, and again, Tampa's old line is,


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[Assistant] A little healthier, but I don't know if I can sit here and tell you that it's better than it was early on in the football season. Alright, it's weird to say. It's like they got worse in some ways, and I know they had injuries and things got thrown off a little bit, but


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[Assistant] Like they'd be a pain in the ass against the Buffalo Bills.


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[Assistant] We saw them, you know, be a pain in the ass. The Vikings. We just talked about them, right? They don't really want to run. They want to throw it. What'd they do to them? They blew them out.


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[Assistant] You know, if you're just a great running team, they can be good because they can just go, Hey, we're going all in on the run. We'll stop it. We got some good corners out there and you're, you're, you're just good at the run. Your passing game is not that complicated, right? I, they are a team that I worry about where they can stop you if you're elite in one area.


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[Assistant] They can't stop you if you're just good in both areas. Does that make sense? Yeaah. Like, they have problems with balance. That's my big thing. And that's where Tampa poses a problem for them. Tampa's much bigger than them up front, and in this game,


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[Assistant] And made them susceptible to a few reverses because they got everybody at the line of scrimmage, they're playing aggressive, right? And now the reverse gets around the edge, there's nobody there. That was definitely a part of it, right? And made them susceptible to the wide receiver screen game. Got all these people at the line of scrimmage worried about the run, right? They're all packed in there. Oh, boom, he throws a ball out to Chris Godwin. And now,


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[Assistant] You know, a few linemen jam them all in there and a few get out there to block on the edge and you go, Oh, there goes Chris Godwin. All they had to do is make one guy miss and he's got some blockers and he got 20 yards up the sidelines. So that's where it poses problems for them.


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[Assistant] Dallas, I think this time around has to play a little bit of like, no, you guys have sucked all year. I don't give a shit what you did against the weak one. You haven't been able to run the ball. We're not going to go all in on the run game.


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[Assistant] Brady's gonna have answers if they go too crazy. Blitzen. And they're just got people on first and second down. They're gonna have a few trick game plan plays, smash them all down, toss sweeps, reverses, wide receiver screen, running back screen, you know, fake this, fake that. Oh no, Mike Evans is one on one downfield. He double moved Trayvon Diggs for a 55 yard bomb, right? That's where they gotta be careful. They might have to go,


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[Assistant] You know what? We'll let you run for three here. Cause we're just not going to let up the big play a little and take their lumps that way. Uh, but that's where Tampa poses a few issues for them. All right. So the, the run game could be big. It could be. Tampa's just so hard to figure of like,


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[Assistant] You know, again, I don't know if they can run, and Dallas' defense is better now than it was in week one, that's for sure.


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[Assistant] The bottom one's true. Don't unveil him yet. Don't unveil him yet, Pete. Let me talk this out.


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[Assistant] Cause I think Pollard is a little bit better off a contact than people wanna say.


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[Assistant] But I'm gonna say the lie is that Ezekiel Elliott had more rushing first downs than Tony Pollard.


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[Assistant] It was impressive. It's definitely a part of his game. You know, like I said there, I just, I think it's, I knew it was underrated. I didn't think that was really gonna be the truth.


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[Assistant] Zeke's 35th, so he's down the list quite a bit. Yeah, you know where, and Pollard, this is where I think even like his speed comes in here, even in this stat, right?


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[Assistant] I do. I, I, we had to do a draft this morning, me and Florio, right, on PFT. We did like quarter, quarterbacks or head coaches under the most pressure. Dack was the guy I went with first. I think with Dack,


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[Assistant] You know, 1e isn't playing great right now. Right. So there's the pressure of that.


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[Assistant] He's got the contract. People expect big time play because of that. He's the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. They haven't made a playoff run in forever. He only has one playoff win.


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[Assistant] And he's got, what, three losses against teams where I'd go, uh, you were the quarterback of the team that was better and you lost. That's never a good look. So, yeaah, and I think just the pressure of this year, the way it's looked lately for him and all that, yeaah, I think this is, he's the quarterback under the most pressure in these playoffs. Alright.


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[Assistant] Dax strikes back. Dax strikes back. He gave me that one. Dax revenge. Yeaah. Definitely. Who wins a cowboy or a buccaneer in a fight? In all honesty, who wins that one? Uh, ooh.


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[Assistant] You know, again, it's, you know, obviously they were starting to get beat up at that point of the year, the Chargers, where you're like, oh man, here we go again. And the Jaguars were...


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[Assistant] This is one of the first moments of the year when we went, ooh, wait. You know, I think the national media went to go, wait, the Jaguars actually have some talent, right? You know, and I know I was already going, oh, watch out for the Jaguars, watch out for the Jaguars.


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[Assistant] Watch up. So, let's go with the Jags offense first, the Chargers defense first, alright here. Here's, you know, a little bit like we just talked about.


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[Assistant] Again, in totality, I think the chargers are probably better. But...


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[Assistant] It's a matchup league. And I do think Jaguars really match up well with the Chargers. And this is where I think it too. Chargers defense is a little like the Cowboys we just talked about.


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[Assistant] If you're great at, they're built to stop the past in Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City, right?


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[Assistant] So they're, if you're all pass, pass, pass, they're, they're going to be a pain in the butt. Like we saw them with the Miami Dolphins, right? They could stop it. They were okay. We got great secondary. Brandon Staley's real creative and how he does so they're good in there. And even if you're a.


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[Assistant] Majority all-run football team, right, with the 49ers. They played the 49ers who, again, you know, I know could throw the ball, but are known for their running game, and that's what you have to stop. They kind of did a pretty good job against that on Sunday Night Football, right? Because they were like, hey, wait, the passing game's not overly complicated. If we could just slow this part down, he's creative and where he can come up with some answers in that.


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[Assistant] Balance teams, that's where I'm like, they'd be better off playing a team that was elite at the run game or elite at the pass game and then not good at the other aspect, right? Balance gives them issues. This, these are the teams that bother them.