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[Assistant] And I just go, everybody's gonna get beat like that. Everybody. The greatest corners in the world are gonna get beat like that. So don't go too crazy in docking them points because they called a crazy stupid defense and are expecting way too much out of a human being to make it happen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, he's, he, he, uh, yes, he did play against Caroline. He only played a few games this year because he tore his ACL, right? Pete, I'm gonna make sure about that. He, so he only played a few games. He gotta go back to last year too. I think he was only three games this year.


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[Assistant] I would think he's getting close to being able to be a special, special specimen here again soon.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, this is, it's gonna be a little bit of like, hey, we gotta trust in our film and we gotta have him in for a workout to see the knee and see if it's okay and all that. But like, ACL is at that age and, and the year 2021, again, it's a nine month injury. I'm not sitting here going, oh man, he's ruined. It's not gonna be the same guy.


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[Assistant] You know, molding I do, I have a little bit of a size question, right? Just a little bit. This is a guy where I go, oh no, his size is going to allow him to play.


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[Assistant] His range and the way he's back there is as good as anybody in the NFL at free safety too. That's where I really was, was blown away by the guy altogether. You know, I wrote, you know, I wrote Jamal Adams, when I first turned it on, I went like, ooh, this guy's just a bigger version of Antoine Winfield from what I saw last year. That's what I really saw, except he had better coverage skills.


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[Assistant] I love him. To me, he's a big time NFL safety. He has the look.


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[Assistant] He's got great legs and he is rocked up, Paul. I mean, rocked up. Yeaah. Like you see the great safeties, you know, they're usually kind of physical specimens because they gotta be able to tense that body up and hit a running back who's 225 and they're both running 4-4 and he's gotta take them down. He's rocked up that way. The and I gotta throw in there since


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[Assistant] I think he does. I know. I mean. That's what he looked like on film too. That's what he looked like. I knew it was on film.


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[Assistant] In the games you see and things like that, you know, really it was, Diyami Brown is the only guy I came across where I just went with pure speed. This is the only guy that's faster than this guy out here on the field. So, uh, yeaah, I love him. I really do. And I think he's made for the NFL.


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[Assistant] You know, first let's hit on Asante Samuel. Asante Samuel, there's a lot to like.


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[Assistant] You know, I just think at the end of the day, the biggest thing is...


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[Assistant] An ability to accelerate and break on the ball as compared to some of the other guys. You know, it's good technique, he's good in those areas, but it's not great.


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[Assistant] And even the way they play him and the way he plays, he knows he's not great in that area. You know, oh, it's a fast receiver. He's going to play 10 yards off and he's going to worry about, you're not going to beat me deep. You know.


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[Assistant] Awesome in Zone really understands the big picture of the game, what the offense is trying to do.


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[Assistant] And again, I like the player. I just don't know if that's a player that I look at to go, oh, that's like a first round or a top five corner in the draft. Can have a real successful career. I don't doubt that. But I think those were kind of my biggest issues with him more than anything.


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[Assistant] Well hold on, I'm sorry to interrupt, who was the other guy you asked me about there?


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[Assistant] Oh, J.C. Horn. Sorry, I'm sorry, Paul. I know. I'm all over the place. Sorry. I got 90 notes. You got a lot of notes there, man. Lots. So, you know, uhm, J.C. Horn...


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[Assistant] He's the poster child of looks great. Like, oh man, look at this guy. He's, he's special. He's a walking past interference in the NFL. Okay, so that's my first thing. And he just lacks that


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[Assistant] You know, the top corners in the draft are going to be able to cover those guys and the speed guys.


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[Assistant] And to me, when you go J.C. Horne, I go, there's no way. He's too lumbering and big and there's too many wasted steps, you know, and changing direction and things like that for me to sit there and go, he's one of the top five corners in the strap.


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[Assistant] I like Kerry Vincent Jr. a lot. I really do. He's a tough one. Here's another guy that you ask, oh, could they have put him in any worse positions? He plays safety slash nickel. I've never seen a team play the safety slash nickel the way they play.


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[Assistant] So, or maybe Achilles, but I know he had an injury and he didn't play last year. This kid didn't play, you gotta go back to 2019.


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[Assistant] There's some really bad plays, but again, I'm gonna go back to like, what I talked about, you know, with some of the other guys. He's put in a spot sometimes, 12 yards off.


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[Assistant] They're like trying to disguise like he's a deep safety, but yet they want him to play man to man on the slot receiver and do that. And now the slot receiver is going a million miles per hour at him and can go either direction and do all those things. And yeah, he can.


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[Assistant] He, he, he gets beat on some plays. Smaller guy, I do love the aggression, and let me get to his page just so I can, can hit this.


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[Assistant] Acceleration speed were really good. I think he's a top 50 corner. I said I've never seen a nickel corner have to play man to man 10 yards off the ball on a consistent basis like he does. Like, but like good as a free safety.


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[Assistant] You know, has good range that way. And he's an aggressive, wants to tackle, tackle you. To me the biggest thing is, you know,


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[Assistant] I just didn't know where he quite belonged. He, even though he's 5'10", 185, he didn't play as big as some of those other guys.


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[Assistant] And I just wasn't sure, is he a safety, is he a real nickel? Either way, I do think he's a top 50 pick in the draft. Uh, and his ability to accelerate, I wrote, is top notch. Like his zero to sixty is two steps. So I love that aspect about him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just didn't think he was quite as good as some of those other guys. To me, he might have been in the safety conversation, he might have been next.


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[Assistant] Right there. It might be that guy that's six, maybe seven, whatever, how you look at it that way.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe the JC Horn guy, he could really fit that type of scheme. There's no doubt. You know, again, it's gonna be that kind of thing where he's gonna jam and then get off and


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, he's gonna tackle, he's got a physical element to those type of guys. But like, even we're seeing with the Seattle Scheme, the Seattle Scheme's breaking down a little bit. They've realized they can't play the Seattle Scheme so much.


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[Assistant] So they gotta get some, that's why they drafted the kid, uh, AJ Terrell in Atlanta. They just said, we can't play Seattle Zone.


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[Assistant] Every play, we got to at some point start playing man to man because the good quarterbacks just go, hey, it's single out here, except they're just going to back off every time and worry about the goal routes. And we're going to do that.


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[Assistant] So, that has changed a little bit that way. But I mean, Surtain could certainly do that. I mean, all these guys can do it. I think the Seattle scheme is slowly breaking down though to get away from a little bit of the predictability.


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[Assistant] Well, I, I do think, again, that goes back to the J.C. Horne conversation as far as the physicality is concerned. I think there is that, that factor to them. Uhm, I'm missing somebody else who I wanted to get into too about that. You know, uh.


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[Assistant] Robinson had real good physicality at the line of scrimmage. There's no doubt. He could be that type of guy. You know, Surtain can too.


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[Assistant] His technique is great. He gets a little scared at times because he's a little worried about his speed. Right? Farley is really the guy there. Farley can like, embarrass you. He can be like a Jalen Ramsey where he can just go like,


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[Assistant] I'm not scared of your speed. I'm gonna put my right hand right in your chest. And then when I get it there, I'm not gonna back off. I'm gonna try to embarrass you and put you in the sideline.


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[Assistant] That's to me where like, Caleb Farley's got that ability. You know, Campbell, Campbell doesn't do that quite as much. He's a little bit more of a jam.


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[Assistant] And then, okay, which way you gonna go? Oh, you're going this way? I'm gonna, my speed's good, I'm gonna now smother you, and you're not gonna really be able to go by me that way. That's kinda what he does, he gets on top of it that way. But I guess if we have to answer it, you know, that way, I would go with, with, with that


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[Assistant] The biggest thing, it's all coverage. He's a corner.


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[Assistant] That doesn't quite have the elite corner skills.


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[Assistant] You know, that to me, there was hesitation in the game. As I told you, I would look at these guys first through traditional safety lens. I do. How did he get to be ranked number one by so many people? I don't know why it was a coup to just to slam dunk number one last year. Why was Sam Donald just the number one greatest quarterback we've ever


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[Assistant] It's the measurables, and then it's the stats of like, PBUs and things like that. And that's where I go, that's where we're getting into, oh, he looks the part, and this is how we want a really top end safety to look.


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[Assistant] And wow, look, that was pretty good. He closed on the ball and knocked it down and did those type of things. So it's like, hey, we like that about him. But then I want to go, well, let's go back and watch. There's like a few plays in every game where I go.


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[Assistant] And to me, he's a specialty safety. That's where we get into again. It's like, it's a...


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[Assistant] Hey, he could be the free safety in the back end and do all that and he's gonna be pretty good in this good range and good hips and all of that.


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[Assistant] Okay, there's that, and then what else are we gonna do? Okay, yeaah. He can match up some tight ends because of his size and do all of that.


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[Assistant] But I'm not feeling comfortable in any way with him having to fill a hole in the run game or do anything like that. I mean, that's what was scary to me that way. You know, there is some cover corner qualities about the guy, except I don't think the speed


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[Assistant] Is of the legit cover corners, which is why he got moved to safety, you know? And, you know, the physicality thing is a real thing. I said, yea, you know, he'll hit some wide receivers as they come over the middle, but in filling the holes in the run game and stuff of that, he wants no part of that.


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[Assistant] You know, I just wrote, he's a bigger corner playing safety, who just has maybe a hair more physicality than most corners, but it's not like, oh wow. You know, I didn't think his, he was,


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[Assistant] I would say Tyson Campbell and Caleb Farley and Surtain are more aggressive, better tacklers than he are, let alone they're better coverage guys. And that to me is not the kind of the safety I want. But there is some real coverage value. He's a guy that I wrote at the end. He's probably going to get overdrafted because he's 6'2", 202.


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[Assistant] And he's good in coverage, you know, to where that, there's going to be some teams that like him. But, you know, for me on, on my safety and the NFL, no, he's a big 12 safety. He's a flag.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, there's no, I'd like to tell you there's like a formula here. There's not. It's called, like, it's called...


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[Assistant] I ran out of room on this notebook, right? Yep. So I'm out of paper. Yep. Then I went and you know, it's the pandemic. Like there's no spiral notebooks in the building.


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[Assistant] So there was a while where, so I had to go, there was a yellow pad, and I'm like, I hate these yellow pads because they just fall off. If they have like the littlest thing, they rip off. So I went through, you know, a few days of having to write on the yellow paper, and then this week


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[Assistant] We got some, a new, there's new spiral notebooks back there. They're back there, just so you know. Yeah. Yeah, and that's where I was like, okay, I gotta go back to it again.


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[Assistant] A good tackler, you know, plays physical, got all the skills you want for the safety position, has good acceleration but it's not like eye popping like some of the other guys we talked about. He does come downhill, you know, I did like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, I think that he's a true free safety, strong safety. He's gonna be able to cover tight ends. I just think the other thing I looked at with him was


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[Assistant] Richie Grant from UCF, number 27. He's another guy I look at and just goes, same thing. I mean, he reminded me of Eddie Jackson, who's being paid a ton of money. Right? I just don't know if there was any like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's a tough one. He's a specimen. He's not, he's too big and lumbering to be a legit cover corner.


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[Assistant] You know, again, you know, you've been around football enough. How many times do you really, you don't see six four corners who can cover people. If they get matched up against a smaller guy who can really change direction, they can't do it, right?


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[Assistant] You know, and then, okay, so now, let me see the rest. Can he play safety? Because he's built like a brick shithouse, maybe he can play safety. Well, no, he doesn't really like to tackle a whole lot. He's not that, like, again, that mentality we've talked about where there's a difference.


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[Assistant] Between being a corner and a safety. Safeties are psychos.


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[Assistant] They're psychos. They will fight anybody on the team. They will hit anybody in the open hole.


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[Assistant] They're cheetahs. They want to go out and then just run fast and cover people and okay, I gotta tackle and take this guy down. Okay, I'll do it, but I don't really want to. That's the corner. There's a different mentality in those guys.


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[Assistant] I gotta, one of these years, make a transition to the computer. Yeaah. I gotta go to the computer. Cause first off, I'm Johnny environment. I mean, and I'm wasting trees.


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[Assistant] It's 2021. It's time. And you know, it's a blue notebook, green notebook, yellow papers, computer, Pauly. Way to drive the show today. You the man.


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[Assistant] Hope everybody enjoyed it. Send out all the questions. I want to keep talking about this. I know there's a few guys I didn't hit that I like. Again, you know, not everybody's a top five guy, but we got them and I love the questions. There was some great questions today on the podcast and guys who brought up certain things. I appreciate it. Be good. We'll see you Monday.


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[Assistant] Uh, edge guys coming up on Monday. I'm gonna start talking about some of these pass rushers and what they can do. Of course, that's a big position. I'm interested to see the group. I don't really have a feel for it right now.


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[Assistant] But you the man. Be good. Have a good weekend. Sounds good. Peace. We're out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've always been the more casual one.


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[Assistant] Opposites attracting into one podcast. But I still stand behind you 100%. So last time, I think it was two days ago, you tweeted out your 1-20 of your quarterback rankings. Man, I tell you what.


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[Assistant] Like, I get, I get some pushback on Twitter every once in a while. Like, I would say once every three weeks, someone writes something to me that's negative or says, hey, I don't like you on the pod or whatever. And that crushes me for maybe a half a year. Like, I think about that for a long time. I don't have the personality to take the criticism.


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[Assistant] When you post your rankings, oh my gosh, it's like people are coming out of the woodworks with like, like just depressed people with angry traits and they just all are focused


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[Assistant] We did get, uh, we did get one person who sent in a picture of their quad. So despite me saying, don't do that.


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[Assistant] What is it? Slippery slope. Slippery slope. It's like you start getting quads and then it gets a little high quad. You get a little bit of a groin. Man junk. Then you never know. Then we start showing pictures where maybe something's slipping out.


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[Assistant] Pete has a podcast off, which is well deserved for Pete here. So let's get into it. Let's get into your podcast.


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[Assistant] Your next four, and this is in partnership with Woodford Reserve Bourbon, the Sims Top 40 Quarterback Countdown. We have a new graphic for it. I love it. That looks awesome. I love it. I do. I like that.


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[Assistant] They sent us this. If you're watching on YouTube, it's a circle with the name Woodford Reserve. And what Matt tells us is that in a week we should have one of these that has the Chris Sims Unbuttoned logo on it.


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[Assistant] But if I do drink any alcohol, it's going to be Woodford Reserve.


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[Assistant] So 16 we've got. We're deep into the top 20 now. We'll get all the way to 13. And let's go with number 16 without further ado. And this could be a little controversial.


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[Assistant] Maybe because it's been in primetime games he hasn't produced. Sure. You've seen it, but I don't know. Do we have this graphic of most career touchdown passes, James, with fewer than 100 interceptions?


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[Assistant] Has he been underrated throughout his career? And we pulled this up, Stat Head Football.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers has 412 touchdown passes and only 89 interceptions. That's insane. Wilson's up there too. But look at number three. Kurt Cousins, 190 touchdown passes and 84 interceptions.


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[Assistant] T.D. to interception ratio is good. Now, you can say, uh, yeaah, he's had great receivers around him, Stephon Diggs, Adam Thielen, great running game, but it also does work in reverse, like those things are better because of the quarterback too.


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[Assistant] He may need some more help around him, including help from his offensive line, help from receiving some of the pressure. We have him, uh, his numbers under pressure in 2020 and he has struggled in the past in that situation. Do you think that this year, as you take a look on YouTube, do you think that


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[Assistant] The offensive line will be good. Does he have the right tools around in front of him? He's got the offensive weapons tools, the talent makers, but does he have the offensive line?


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[Assistant] Gotta keep the interceptions down, but yeaah. It looks like it's a possibility. So yeaah. I mean, they got Daris on the first round to help protect him.


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[Assistant] There were rumors out there, and Mike Florio has somewhat confirmed it, I believe, on your show, that they were looking at Justin Fields in the first round. They were looking to trade up. Now, their offer never kind of indicated that they were maybe serious about it because they didn't offer a first rounder to move up.


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[Assistant] Uh, but they did end up taking Kellen Mond, who you like, later on in the third round.


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[Assistant] And so it does seem like the Minnesota Vikings are preparing for, or...


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[Assistant] You know, at least entertaining the thought of moving on from Kirk Cousins.


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[Assistant] So they could do worse than Kirk Cousins, could do better as well. Last thing on him, clearly he's gonna be the quarterback this year. You think he's the quarterback next year in Minnesota?


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[Assistant] Minnesota has said that Kirk Cousins is our guy, at least for this year, the next guy on your list. There was some question whether Atlanta would start to move on from number 15 on your top 40 quarterback countdown.


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[Assistant] Just turned 36. I mean, Rodgers, of course, just won the MVP at age 37. Tom Brady is doing what he's doing at the age of 52, I think he's up to now. Yeah. Uh, but, uh, so we've seen it happen here recently. It's happening right now that older quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] I thought this was interesting from Michael Holley who does the show, a brother from another on Peacock. He was saying this on a different program.


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[Assistant] About Julio Jones. He might, I think he might be close with Julio Jones. Uh, he said, you know who Jones really wants to play with? He wants to play with Cam Newton. He went on to say that the other thing is he thinks Matt Ryan has lost a little zing.


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[Assistant] On his deep ball. Now, I feel like probably Cam Newton has also lost a little thing on his deep ball there, but what do you think of that critique of, you know, what Matt Ryan has lost and it's been that deep pass?


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[Assistant] So now, he's got Arthur Smith. And is he gonna be a good fit? Because I think we have a comparison here. Matt Ryan vs. Ryan Tannehill. Deep passing the last two seasons if you're watching on YouTube here.


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[Assistant] Uh, passes 20 or more yards down the field the last two seasons. It looks like they're fairly comparable here. Tannahill's got more yards per completion.


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[Assistant] Uh, by, by about seven right there. Ooh, and yeaah, look at the interceptions. Matt Ryan deep down the field, ten interceptions to nine touchdowns. Ryan Tannehill, two interceptions to nine touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Man, you're crushing your middle, your top 15 here more than you did your 30. But these are two fallers. These are two guys who have fallen from last year.


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[Assistant] Like Kirk Cousins, you can do worse than Matt Ryan. The question for Atlanta is, you know, Minnesota's in a window right now. Defensively, they need to get better, but offensively good enough. You can see them making a run here. Uh, Atlanta, different picture. What'd they win? Four games last year. So if you're going to make the commitment to Matt Ryan,


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[Assistant] You're going to make that commitment for one, two, three. I mean, are they going to be good again with Matt Ryan as their quarterback?


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[Assistant] Matt Ryan, number 15 on your list. I like these quarterbacks that we're talking about today. Cause I feel like your next one is a lot like Kirk Cousins. A lot of people just take him for granted. Doesn't get the love that perhaps he deserves, but has been an above average quarterback for a while.


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[Assistant] So these are three underappreciated quarterbacks. And you tweeted something out about that. A Sims Twitter poll about who is more underrated. You let the homies vote. You got 4,600 votes.


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[Assistant] And 37% was very close. 37% said Matt Ryan was the most underappreciated, then Derek Carr, and then Kurt Cousins. So, you know, Ryan, number one, but Carr, too.


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[Assistant] I was almost gonna bring up, well I was almost gonna bring up last time about Matt Ryan, uh, like he's borderline Hall of Fame. I know. His stats are gonna say Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] They are. And he won an MVP, so that's gonna say Hall of Fame. 8th in passing yards, 10th in passing touchdown, 5th in passing yards per game. Now of course, we're seeing every quarterback in this era that was good.


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[Assistant] Not everyone's in the top 10. And it takes a special long career where you've had the faith of your coaching staff for a long time. Uhm, so I would agree with that. I do think Matt Ryan maybe his whole career.


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[Assistant] Uh, Matt Ryan. I think right now, most underappreciated, I think is Kurt Cousins.


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[Assistant] And so I put Derek Card, not that he gets a whole lot of love. I think he's taken for granted, but you know, he is getting love from.


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[Assistant] Our friends at points bet the official sports book of NBC sports got win totals for the Vikings, the Falcons and the Raiders.


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[Assistant] Vikings eight and a half over under Atlanta seven and a half and Vegas six and a half. So of the three teams and the three quarterbacks we just talked about, which do you think is most likely to go over?


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[Assistant] That win total. Raider's not getting that much love there. I mean, defensively, that's just been so bad defensively for so long.


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[Assistant] You'd take the over for the Vikings, over for the Raiders, and you might take the under for Atlanta. Yeah, right, I mean they're right around in that area. Close.


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[Assistant] And he'll play if he needs to. Like he'll put himself out on the field. He is one of the more intense.


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[Assistant] If you're watching on YouTube right now, the biggest change from last year to this year...


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[Assistant] So, did Kevin Stefanski make him better? Did his offense set him up better? Are there things that you saw from Baker working with Kevin Stefanski?


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[Assistant] Let me read what the Browns GM Andrew Berry had to say about Baker Mayfield just recently. He said, Baker over the past year has shown an enormous amount of growth. I think that's both on the field and quite honestly off the field as well. There's news out there that Baker, I think it's going on right now in Austin, Texas.


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[Assistant] Getting a group together, his receivers, with somewhat of a passing camp. And Joku has indicated he is in Austin. Reports are that Odell is in Austin, Jarvis, Landry, Donovan Peoples-Jones there as well. So, like you mentioned,


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[Assistant] He is, he's got that personality that I think when it looked like he was going to struggle as a top overall pick, people piled on, right? They're like, oh, this guy thinks he's all that and he's not. And so I think a lot of people were looking for the deficiencies, deficiencies in his game.


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[Assistant] Where last year it was pretty easy to see all the good things in Baker Mayfield's game. And now we can see if it will grow, continue to, with Odell Beckham, which has been a mystery.


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[Assistant] I've got one more that's kind of, uh, looking into the future on Baker Mayfield, but I want to welcome in the great Phil Sims as we...


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[Assistant] Put a bow on our partnership with Woodford Reserve Bourbon. That was the Chris Sims Top 40 quarterback countdown.


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[Assistant] I was listening to you and Paul and your son talk last time about mechanics, which I find very interesting. And so do a lot of our listeners. And so there are a couple of questions on that here in a second, but first we just got through.


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[Assistant] Chris's next four on his list. And I like this group of quarterbacks because I think it's a group of quarterbacks that maybe are a little underrated right now. And it was Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, and Baker Mayfield who have all made their way safely into Chris's, uh, Chris's top 20. And we talked about it multiple times is that I don't know that those quarterbacks get the respect that they necessarily deserve, Phil.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Do we, do we have, James, uh, we had a homie, Dr. Babies, and we talked about Ryan Tannehill on the last pod that we were together, and we talked about making a t-shirt about Ryan Tannehill, uh, something that your son Christopher had said on the podcast. Do we have a photo? Oh, we do!


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[Assistant] So Phil, this is what we're seeing right now, and I'm seeing it for the first time. I love it. It's a t-shirt with a Titans logo on the front, and it's a quote from your son that says, it's 2021. Ryan Tannehill's good. Move the F on. Chris Sims on button.


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[Assistant] We all make our initial opinions of a player, and then it's really hard for us to move off of it. I feel like that's what happened with Baker Mayfield. And you were talking about it at the end of last year, and you're like, look at Baker Mayfield. He is playing at a very high level.


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[Assistant] And I do the podcast with you all the time. It was hard for me to even believe that just because the story almost had been written on Baker Mayfield is that he is a 20-ish quarterback and never will be able to carry his team to victory.


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[Assistant] Well, it makes it easy, right? We don't need to, we don't need to think that we can just go off of memorization. So one last thing on, on Baker because I think it's, they got two good quarterbacks in Ohio moving forward. Franchise quarterbacks in Joe Burrow and Baker Mayfield. And I saw a discussion on this, uhm, somewhere and they asked the question,


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[Assistant] Alright, who would you rather have moving forward? Now, Chris is doing this list, Chris, and I'll start with you. You're doing it for this year, and you have Baker Mayfield ahead of Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] If you're thinking five years down the road, who would you want to start a franchise with of these two Ohio quarterbacks?


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[Assistant] Trying to become a better deep thrower, one of the best deep throwers in NFL history, Aaron Rodgers. Who knows if we'll ever see him again, uh, play in a football game or for the Green Bay Packers. But one guy, Phil, who was on the field, the practice field for the Packers is that other quarterback they have. They traded up to get him last year in the first round, Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] Uh, here's some of the numbers, the reports out of camp yesterday. Uh, and we're showing a tweet on YouTube right now. And one of them says he was 12 of 23 passing.


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[Assistant] Uh, as we're flipping through these, these tweets, 12 to 23 passing, including a failed two minute drill. And then after practice, Matt LaFleur said he needs every rep


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[Assistant] He can get. So a lot of times very positive reports coming out of many camps and these voluntary and mandatory workouts. Phil, it seems like it's, it's not very positive right now with Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] Is Jordan love someone who is a natural thrower in your eyes?


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[Assistant] Don't do that. Interesting stuff. Always interesting when your dad comes on. Talk to mechanics, talk to some of those quarterbacks. Let's end it. Yeah. Chris?


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[Assistant] With Rate Your Snap Counts. Oh baby. So we have two that were submitted here.


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[Assistant] And we'll start with Chris Forbes. And he says, Hey fellas, love the pod.


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[Assistant] So he said Tartan 82. Tartan is a Gaelic word that refers to plaid in Scotland. Now I didn't notice much of a Scottish accent there, right?


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what, we are becoming gigantic across the pond. Like we may be now bigger in Scotland, England, Ireland than we are in the United States.


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[Assistant] Here's hoping that Aaron Rodgers goes with Natalie's snap count in 2021. I've included my take on Nat's count too. So I don't know what we're about to hear here or see, but here is Natalie and Dennis.


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[Assistant] I mean, here's what I give them a lot of credit for. Like, they're in public. Like, most of them that we've had submitted are inside, in a car, right? They're out there. This is happening in front of the world. They don't care who sees it. Crabs are listening to them. My kind of guys and girls right there.


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[Assistant] I like that. And as Matt points out, Dennis was talking while she was giving her, her snap count too, made it more difficult.


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[Assistant] Keep sending in your snap counts, you can email Pete, you can tweet, uh, at Chris, uhm, and yeaah, we'll, we'll keep, uh, we'll keep doing them, we'll keep raiding them. I hope so. Don't send in your quads, we're not doing that.


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[Assistant] I'm back, I'm back, yeah, can you believe it? 3 Pete. 3 Pete. I'm back, and...


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[Assistant] We are going to get into the top 10. We'll break into the top 10 and we will finish. We didn't do it on this pod.


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[Assistant] And she gave one critique. She goes, when Chris does his list, he like stands by his opinions. He goes, everyone that you were doing, it was almost like you were qualifying it or saying like, I don't know about this one.


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[Assistant] It's on the inside and we believe the whole time. And that's all that matters. I, uh, we had Michael Dunn stepped in at left guard for Joel Botonio and then Michael got hurt and a guy named Blake that I introduced myself to literally in the locker room before the game, stepped up, uh, in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] But, you did give Aaron Rodgers a wide receiver in your mock drive. I did, I did.


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[Assistant] Very the lead man, or at least for me, it's good to see you. Hey, it's good to see you too. It's been a couple weeks, I had to live without this sort of thing. Well, yes.


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[Assistant] It's like their household names by now, all of them, 1-32. So, whether that was your idea or Pete's, I like that we're getting into some guys that are going to be steals in the later rounds. Yea, cool. And a new way to treat quarterbacks too.


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[Assistant] Right? Yeaah. We're ranking 1 through 6 on a number of ways. Not just overall, but arm strength, mechanics, mobility, athleticism. Right, right.


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[Assistant] What do you think, just off the top of your head, the chances that he goes at three?


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[Assistant] Could very well have been at the time of the trade, they're like, they were far enough along that we know we like one of the, one of these three guys is gonna be worth that third pick. We don't know which one. In six weeks we're gonna know a little more, but our initial findings are, this is a hell of a trio right here, one of them's gonna be our guy, and there's no way they're gonna be around at our pick right now.


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[Assistant] Of course my eyes went right down to number 32 Justin Fields going to the Buccaneers. I'm sure you put a lot of thought into that before Monday. I'm sure you've had a number of people react to you in the last couple of days. So two days later as a follow up, how do you feel about having Fields there as a last pick of the first round?


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[Assistant] One question about corner since you brought up the fact that you had the Eagles at 12 going J.C. Horne. Your favorite corner, Caleb Farley, you have all the way at 19 as a third corner. He's recently tested positive for COVID. We all understand, but how come you have him so low but you like him so much?


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[Assistant] Running backs, I did Peter Kings mock draft with him on Monday. I saw. He had the Steelers going nausea herons at 24 and I liked the pick Buffalo. He gave them Travis Etienne. Did you think about running backs at all 24 through 32?


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[Assistant] Before we get into your Robin Hood picks, one more question about your mock draft. Think 1-32.


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[Assistant] One pick that you would love to see happen, that, that you, you said, I'm slotting this player to this team. You're kind of outside of the top three. Let's go a little bit more, uh, outside the, uh, the more obvious ones. One guy that you would really like to see, uh, as a landing spot with the team where you put him.


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[Assistant] That'd be one where free agency patients would really pay off because we were waiting for them because they had that need and there were a lot of players available at defensive and they didn't do it. Yes. And if they end up with Phillips at that point in the draft.


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[Assistant] It's with a little bit of sadness, Chris, I'm moving on from your mock draft, because a mock draft is gold. Every one of the picks opens up a conversation for the team, for the players. It's a great exercise.


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[Assistant] I will, uh, exhale and move into the Robin Hood portion of the pod today. Good music. Oh. You know what, I've seen this before but it's been a while.


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[Assistant] You come in there, so, uh, kind of with finesse. Robin Hood is here. That was better than the singing in the open. Yes, I was. Quicker, cleaner. Okay, let's begin with wide receiver. You have a number of guys here that you consider kind of mid-round steals.


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[Assistant] Diami Brown, North Carolina, your third ranked receiver is first on your list.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. What if, instead of going Jamar Chase at five, what if they took the best offensive tackle in Panay Sewell, early second round, get your guy De'Ami Brown. That, that, I mean, that would be ideal.


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[Assistant] Like you're talking about big-time numbers at Clemson when he was healthy. With a lot of talent around him. I mean, Trevor had to run the ball, he had to give it to Travis, he had to throw it to other guys out there. But his numbers when he was healthy were really good. Right. And he just looks like somebody. He looks the part, right? I mean, get him in the middle rounds.


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[Assistant] I don't know what his 40 would be. I never watched him. I think I saw him three times in person and thought, man, I wonder what his 40 is. But when he catches it, his first couple steps happen in a hurry. And that's what made me think in the slot, catch a five yard pass for a nine yard gain. I'll take second one.


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[Assistant] Let's say third round, your GM looks to you, you're an offensive coordinator, you can have one of these guys, you can have Stevenson or Darden, different kind of receivers, speed outside, or that guy in the slot you just described.


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[Assistant] Moving into the backfield, running back out of North Carolina, your second ranked running back, Michael Carter.


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[Assistant] One more running back, Jadion Hawkins, Louisville. Yeaah. Your third ranked back.


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[Assistant] At tight end, a player you and I got to know pretty well over the last couple, three years, Tommy Tremble out of Notre Dame, your third ranked tight end.


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[Assistant] His receiving production next level will be better. I did too. Will look better than it did at Notre Dame. And his physicality is just outstanding. I mean, I can't tell you how many times another coach is like, okay, cue the portion of this call.


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[Assistant] Where the other coach talks about 24 on Notre Dame and how physically is every player.


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[Assistant] A lot of those catches at tight end went to the freshman last year, Michael Mayer. Right. It doesn't mean that Tommy Tremble couldn't catch the ball, they just ended up going to a different spot. Right. Offensive line, tackle Walker Little from


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[Assistant] I know you like traits. He was one that had the traits at a level. He might have been the top rated tackle in high school. I think, I think he was, right. One of the top two or three.


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[Assistant] And don't underestimate these guys that are really adept at being guard or tackle, because you only get to dress how many linemen on game days? Yeah, well, I think seven.


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[Assistant] Let's go to the other side of the ball. Start with Edge out of Pittsburgh. Rashad Weaver, who's your fourth at that.


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[Assistant] Let's go defensive backs here, and as we're thinking about what we're labeling Robin Hood picks, great value, you know, round two and beyond, uh, my favorite Super Bowl facts, the Buccaneers playing so well in the back end, not a single defensive back drafted in the first round. Those are all second, third, and fourth round picks. Keep that in mind here as you run through your value.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so thank you, Pete. Okay, cornerback. You have two of them. Paulson, Adibo, Stanford is your first.


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[Assistant] Think about how many snaps NFL teams play with six DBs in the field. So someone who might be a safety, might be a corner. We couldn't figure out what he was playing in college, but he was playing it pretty well. Find a home for him.


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[Assistant] Those are your Robin Hood pics. My main question now is, do we get that graphic at the end?


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[Assistant] Or just the beginning where you slide in. I mean, we should. I mean, it's such a great graphic. It really should.


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[Assistant] So that is the Robin Hood section, bookended by the full screen of Chris dressed as Robin Hood. And now we get to the Prospect Rundown, presented by Applebee's. Chris's 2021 quarterback draft rankings revisited. I think you said a couple months ago,


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[Assistant] We also have, as promised, kind of a different way, and it's not easy to come up with new ways at this point of the draft process to treat these quarterbacks, but we have four categories, not your favorite quarterback, we just did that and updated it, but just different ways we can look at the quarterbacks, and you're going to rank them one through six. Let's start with arm strength.


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[Assistant] I've got a blank sheet here, so I'm, I'm like everybody else waiting to learn.


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[Assistant] How you look at the arm strength of these guys. Let's start at the top and then go down to six. Alright.


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[Assistant] Side notes to Lawrence at number three. A couple years ago when he was a freshman, they were playing Notre Dame in Dallas.


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[Assistant] Whenever there's a big-time quarterback, I try and get on the field like literally, kind of like Urban Meyer was in his pro day. I want to get as close as I can. I got next to the receiver he was warming up with when he was about 30 yards away and I wanted to see, can I hear it? Can I hear it coming? I mean, not everybody has that kind of zip in the ball, but someone who can really bring it, you can hear it about 10 yards away, and I can hear it.


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[Assistant] Just like a pitcher who's really bringing it 95-ish. Doesn't mean he can play, but for what it's worth.


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[Assistant] It kind of goes to show you that it's not maybe as important as people think. No.


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[Assistant] No. You think he's worth a third pick, but in, you know, sixth in arm strength.


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[Assistant] They're, they're flawless. First thing you said was base. I think balance. Same thing, but his balance, whether it's a quick drop or a deep drop, is always, always ready to go.


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[Assistant] It's back to back sixes there for fields with the decision making and the mechanics. Gets us to our last category of athleticism. Who's at the top?


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[Assistant] And for that reason, I thought you might have Trevor Lawrence ahead of Wilson because, you know, Trevor ran pretty well in college.


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[Assistant] I'll be glad. I will be. Nice job. Fun playing along there. That was the Prospect Rundown presented by Applebee's. Good timing there. Thank you Applebee's. Get that up there right away. You ready for a little Ask Me Anything? Oh baby. There are a lot of questions out there. Let's go.


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[Assistant] Filter, okay. So quarterbacks. This is from CLT.


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[Assistant] Frankly speaking, frankly is with a PH, not an F. Oh, I like that. In this scenario. That's fat, with a PH. I heard concerns with Zach Wilson's lack of tape dealing with the pass rush, his light friend getting bumped off his point in the pocket, and his low number of games played. Why is he considered quote, NFL ready?


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[Assistant] Does he have as high a degree of bus potential as fields or land?


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[Assistant] Question here. It's also on Zach Wilson from MJETI8. Are you concerned about Zach's aversion to the middle of the field in a wide zone system that usually hammers the middle of the field? From what I've seen, there are times where he leaves a better play in the field to throw outside rather than down the middle.


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[Assistant] To the 49ers, at Matt Sage, 1985. Hey Chris, what else does San Francisco need to address in the draft order after they pick at third? Yeah. O-line help for the young quarterback? Maybe wide receiver or tight end.


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[Assistant] Don't worry, I will. I'll stay on his ass for that. Under the title of best GM position in this draft, at Cold Crush Cory, good alliteration there, Cory, which GM would you want to be the most in the 21 draft? Oh. I always like...


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[Assistant] Should have picked him. Should have been less need. Be nice to be less. Yes, seriously. In their house in Mahalibu. Right. Alright, linebacker draft rankings.


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[Assistant] Zavin Collins? Zavin. Zavin. Zavin Collins in this class as strictly an edge rusher. Ooh.


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[Assistant] Wanna throw in one more running back question here before we wrap it up for your running back rankings. Jetsway Podcast wants to know, is 34 overall to the Jets too early for Travis ETN?


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[Assistant] Let's go to points bet. You want to go to points bet? Let's do it. I want to go there. Let's check out points bet. Let's check it out. Pete just rolled it up. Position totals drafted in round one quarterbacks at five and a half. Wow.


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[Assistant] That's pretty good. The highest number there offensive lineman, six and a half.


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[Assistant] I mean. You have three automatics. Three automatics. Chase, Waddle, Smith. Right? Then what?


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, that's right, we're back. It's Monday. Monday after the NFL Draft. Uh, it was a good one as always. And more importantly, I mean, hey, the NFL Draft, you know we're gonna hit on that.


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[Assistant] We'll hit on Trey Lance and Shanahan with the Mac Jones and everything. But damn, did you look good at the Kentucky Derby? Oh, you looked handsome in that blue suit with that nice little blue


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[Assistant] Unreal. What did, how did that horse look in person? Like what's it look like? What's it see like a Kentucky Derby horse in person? Are they skinnier? Summer skinnier?


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[Assistant] Bust some narratives. I wasn't, first off, just so we know, I wasn't trying to be like Bob Baffert in Sandbag the whole draft role. Okay, well the whole, that's gonna be one of the narratives here.


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[Assistant] I mean, geez, Kristen, can you press play? I mean, geez. See, we're already in a feisty mood this morning. Press play, geez, Kristen.


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[Assistant] I'm still friends with him. I am. Uh, and listen, I was, I was as shocked as anybody. I really was. I wasn't trying to do my friend a solid and keep everybody off. You know, Trey Lancer's like, no, I was not. First off, listen,


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[Assistant] Mack Jones was always my number three quarterback. My logic of Mack Jones of course was somewhat based around my own studies and the logic of why I think you would trade up to number three.


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[Assistant] But then, as I always said, like, I never had a moment where it was like, Kyle Shanahan told me and went, you know, we're taking Mac Jones at three. I've told everybody that.


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[Assistant] I, yes, through my knowledge of my friend.


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[Assistant] Knowing what he likes, a quarterback, everything like that, I certainly thought he was going to take Mac Jones. And I think that for a time, I still believe in my heart of hearts that there was, that was the guy. I do. Uh, but somewhere along the lines, or somewhere along the journey there, it definitely changed.


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[Assistant] I knew he liked Trey Lance. I knew he was very intrigued by him.


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[Assistant] I, I, but I always thought, and again, my conversations with him about the quarterback position happened so long ago. It, it didn't matter anything. But yes, I mean, I thought just from my conversations back in January talking about the quarterbacks,


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[Assistant] No, no, there is no benefit of that. I mean, there's no reason to say that. And again, whatever you're, you're studying the process and who you're gonna take until the very end.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm sure there was lots of guys on different boards who got switched or tweaked in the last week, 10 days or whatever at certain positions, everything there. You know, he's not worried about the narrative that was out there. You know, obviously though, within that quote, he realizes


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[Assistant] How passionate and at least what was being said out there.


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[Assistant] Well I don't know, I'm not gonna say it shook him, I'm not gonna say that, but I think that quote to me tells you they were very aware.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I don't want to say too much here without you got another question to answer because I'm going to just keep rattling off and keep going. Do you want me to bust any other narratives here? Uhm, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, that's now, I'll bust that narrative for sure. So that to me is where this is going to be.


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[Assistant] Put under a microscope eventually. Cause I think that's what people in league circles are already talking about. But the media is still talking about, it was Trey Lance and not Mac Jones. And they haven't quite got onto that yet. But I know there was, yeah, chatter in the league of like this weekend of did the 49ers really need to trade up to number three?


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[Assistant] You know, I've heard, I've heard from enough people to know that, you know, within, you know,


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[Assistant] Right, so he was obviously worried a little bit going like, wait, my guy, I don't really have a spot for him right now if they pass him at three. So there at base level, it makes you think, yes, he would have been there at 12.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't know if he would have been there at 12. Again, them trading to number 3 changed the circumstances too, right? So maybe if they went to 3...


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[Assistant] You know, I, you know, because it affected Carolina, right? Maybe that affected Carolina at number eight, where they had their eye on, you know, Mac Jones. But then they went, ooh, maybe they listened to idiots like me and everything and went, ooh, well maybe he is on Mac Jones.


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[Assistant] That, that I feel confident in. Denver, I don't know so much about. I don't know. I'm not, I'm not quite sure what Denver's thought process was at the quarterback position. I had always been led to believe, kind of what I've been saying all along, that they want to bring somebody in there just to compete with him.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I know there was the rumors of them wanting to draft the quarterback, but I always thought during the draft that I was kind of taking that as like


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[Assistant] This is just one of those teams that's saying, we like a quarterback, hoping some team might want to trade up to number nine and do that, right? That's at least what I took it as. So, I think the Panthers are the one to watch out for, for sure. But I think that's going to continue to be


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[Assistant] You know, as we get into this conversation and it's, you know, Tray Lance and Fields and Mack Jones are always going to be compared to each other and all those type of stuff and the wins and losses and stats are all going to be dependent on that. But I think that is one thing that people are going to look at as we go further and especially if Lance doesn't do well, people are going to go,


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[Assistant] And we traded away three first round picks and we didn't have to do that. And again,


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe that's the only thing I can say is if I look at the process to where I would just go.


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[Assistant] Well, end of March making that trade right then.


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[Assistant] Again, it seems like maybe a little undecided about who they wanted to take. Why not just sit back and kind of read the tea leaves a little bit and get a feel for the draft and


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[Assistant] Then maybe if you just stay at 12 and then okay now you got a feel and maybe you only had to trade up to number 7 or 8 as you get closer to the draft as you get this feel for it. You know, I think that's the thing that's going to be dissected as we go.


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[Assistant] I think that's another, that's another aspect that's not be, it's exactly right. You know, they've given you so many signs this offseason, just basically say,


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[Assistant] You know, we're done with Jimmy G. I mean, we might ride it out this one last year or whatever, but it's over. They've seen enough, they've had enough, and you're right, they moved on and they made an aggressive decision. And like we said back then, it's just, Shanahan took control of the draft.


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[Assistant] And he did, he was not going to have to, ooh, if, what, I don't know what's going to happen. But yes, I mean, hey, the way it shook out, yeah, you sit there right now, and it's easy to talk about this, you know, Monday after the draft, he probably could have got Trey Lance or Mac Jones at number 12 with the way everything shook out.


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[Assistant] But again, we don't know. There's some other circumstances that went on before that and everything like that. So, uh, it is, it is interesting and they're gonna be compared. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] It's gonna scare Shanahan too. You know, Mac Jones ended up in New England. He was probably like, ugh.


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[Assistant] He's going to end up there, dammit. Because he knows it's going to be compared too. And now he knows he's going with Bill. And it's the, it's, it's, you know, maybe the most, the best, most complex drop back pass offense in football.


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[Assistant] And Shanahan's gonna know, wait, I know that guy can go there and do that. So, that's gonna be scary. And he knows that's gonna up the ante as far as how they're compared too. I was watching it with the quarterbacks. You're, I told you so.


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[Assistant] Either way, I was like, this is not good. The thing that's funny, I think about the Mac Jones thing is everyone's like, whoa, that system and that offense and up there. And I want to like pin some people on TV and go,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you're the same people as, let's say, Brady did the whole system, but now the system's awesome. It was Brady, but now Brady's gone, and now they got a quarterback, and now the system's gonna make this quarterback, but it didn't help make Brady. That's where I just like, laugh. That's where I, it's like, you hear narratives, it's like two different narratives of the same team, and you're like, well, you don't make sense. That doesn't make sense. So.


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[Assistant] Like, about the quarterbacks and all that. Yeaah, there was true love for Mac Jones. There's no doubt about that.


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[Assistant] As I told you, he was always intrigued by Trey Lance. And I think ultimately what got him into the whole Trey Lance, and I know he said some of this stuff to Peter King on the, you know, football morning in America and all that type of stuff too, but I think where he's really excited about Trey Lance is one


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[Assistant] He's the best run game designer in football. Alright. He's the best.


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[Assistant] Run game, let me tie it together with the play action pass in football.


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[Assistant] And I think this just gives him more avenues to mess with people that way. You know, I think that's basically the thing that I came away with our conversation that he was really excited about. He's less, it's, oh, a few receivers are injured?


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[Assistant] Okay, well, if I had my Mac Jones offense, that could affect Mac Jones. With Trey Lance, yea, it'll affect him a little bit, but I have this element of the run game that still saves me, right? And I think also too, and I've heard Kyle say this a lot over like the last year, you know, people are just stealing his stuff everywhere, you know? So now this gives him a quarterback and an offense


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[Assistant] That other teams are not going to be able to emulate. Or most of them not. Baltimore Ravens can, right? And maybe a few others. Josh Allen with the Bills, maybe he'll steal some of Shanahan's quarterback run plays. But for the most part, now he's going to get to play teams on a week to week basis and go, you haven't seen this. You haven't seen this type of attack.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you probably put a receiver quarterback in practice this week and all those type of things. But I think that's where it excites Shanahan.


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[Assistant] As the fact of the advantages it's gonna give him during his running game. It's gonna kinda swing the curve back into his favor that way. And of course with Lance and his ability to run off of that, he's got a strong arm. I think he thinks he's just gonna be able to more consistently


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[Assistant] No, that's where, that's where I've, I have pushed back against that narrative. I think you've heard me say that a little bit is, hey, I love the athleticism. I'm not sure how great of a runner Lamar, I mean, Trey Lance is either. He's definitely not Lamar Jackson. No way. You know, I think his running is a hair overhyped, I guess is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] You know, again, good size, he is fast, there's no doubt about that. And I think Shanahan too, the other thing you learn, if you listen to Peter, I think Shanahan was blown away by the intangibles to go along with it.


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[Assistant] Just everything, whether it's the psych testing, the ability to process information, personality tests, all of those. I think those all like checked out really high and that's where he's excited about it too. So there he's got a guy he likes, he's wired mentally the way he likes.


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[Assistant] Physically, he's close to the guy he likes, and then I think...


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[Assistant] When he gets excited about coming up with game plans, it's run game first. That's what's different about Shanahan. Like Josh McDaniels and Sean Payton and Andy Reid would be like,


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[Assistant] Whoa, this guy here, and that guy there, and we're gonna do this, and I want you to read it one to two to three, and they'd be aw- Shanahan's more like,


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[Assistant] I wanna get in this formation and motion the wide receiver over here and now I know they bring the safety down over here and we're gonna pull the guard and I'm blocked down and that's what excites Shanahan. That's what excites him.


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[Assistant] Another piece of the puzzle with Lance too now to where he gets to play 10 on 11 football, right? He doesn't have to, he's got one more number in his advantage.


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[Assistant] With his scheme and creativity to go along with that, let alone think about, like, the shenahan, the toss sweeps, and the outside zone, and teams play him so aggressively for that all the time. And play people in those alleys and do things that way.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay, yeaah. Here comes the outside zone or the reverse speed sweep or something like that. Oh no.


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[Assistant] Nope, sorry, you're wrong. We're pulling Lakeland Tomlinson and, uhm, and, uh, Trenton Williams. And we're gonna run up, you were trying to stop the outside zone, now we're gonna run inside it. And you don't have enough people in here. And now we got all these blockers with a fast quarterback, and you're f-


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[Assistant] For lack of a better way to say it, I think that's what's exciting Shanahan. But what makes that more dangerous


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[Assistant] Well that's gonna be the big question. To see, see what he can do to do that. You know, yea, if it has to come back to dropping back.


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[Assistant] And like throwing the ball 30 times a game in the drop back pass game. I would say no, he's not ready to do that. He's not going to beat you that way. But I think of Shanahan, which I expect he's going to find ways to run the ball and he's going to find a few real easy play action passes and things like that. It's not going to be on like Trey Lance to go through, you know, a four read progression. He's going to make life easy on him. He does have a strong arm.


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[Assistant] And we do know he's smart. Anybody you talk to will tell you Trey Lance is out of this world smart. So I think that's probably where he looks at it and goes, okay, I'll get him to do that.


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[Assistant] And we'll work on refining the drop back pass stuff and everything like that. And you go to Kyle, I get all that, I still wouldn't have done that. I still wouldn't have done that. Well, listen, he knows my feelings. He knows. I mean, listen, I put myself out there. I, I, I hope that, hopefully that's why he appreciates me.


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[Assistant] I don't just always go, oh, you're right Kyle, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.


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[Assistant] I always tell them my thoughts, my, you know, and this is what scares me and all that.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, maybe now everybody will believe he doesn't tell me everything. Yeaah. And uh, not everything I say is directly coming out of his mouth.


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[Assistant] To me, that's where I will say to Kyle at some point and be like, you gotta play this sucker.


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[Assistant] You just gotta get him out there and go. You can't go another year with him not playing football.


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[Assistant] To me, that's, that's, that's one of the issues with Lance. He's gotta play more. He's gotta do more. Just like you heard me say, he's never done a two minute drill. He's never had a game really on his shoulders where you go, if he doesn't throw the ball and drop back and dissect this team today, they're not gonna win this college football game. He's never even been in that situation.


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[Assistant] He's gotta just get out there and play. And Shanahan, he's smart, he'll figure it out. He'll figure out how to play with him and do all that. He did it with RG3, he'll do it this time around too. So, I don't, I don't expect, I'm still saying,


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[Assistant] I don't know. I'm still saying Jimmy G gets traded at some point this offseason. I, I, I still have a hard time. And again, just so, I don't know. Shanahan hasn't told me here.


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[Assistant] But I just, yeaah, my thought is... But where would he go? I don't know where he'd go with this. There's a lack of spots right now. There's no doubt about it. I would still look at Houston and go, that could be a possibility.


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[Assistant] With the New England regime down there, they only drafted Davis Mills. If that Watson thing, somehow, he does get suspended or traded or whatever else, I can see that being a possibility.


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[Assistant] That's over. It is. And then New England's out of the conversation now, right? So that's not going to be the case. You can look at Washington, but I don't think Washington's getting involved in that. I think they're very, I think they're, they're fine with Ryan Fitzpatrick. In fact, I heard somebody on TV say that this weekend. They're totally fine. They weren't desperate to get a quarterback this weekend.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say Trey Lance. Just because of like all the things you've said. Like, it just seems like they're done with Jimmy G. They're done with him. And then...


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[Assistant] You know, with Mac Jones, I think Cam is gonna be the guy. I do. You know, again, I still think there's belief in him up there. And then when you talk about, again, as ready as Mac Jones is and everything like that, like I said, that is some system in New England. And it's got a million different rules.


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[Assistant] It is truly the most advanced drop back pass system in all of football. Takes a while. So it'll take a while. So I, from all those things, I think there's probably just go, you know, you sit back and they're going to teach them aggressively.


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[Assistant] If Cam does fault or do something like that, then that might push it. But I'm gonna go with Lance.


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[Assistant] So, I'm sorry, I am. That's where I know I've pissed people off. It's the betters of the world that are mad when I look on social media.


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[Assistant] I think they killed it. I really do. I mean, you know, even some of the guys towards the later ends of the draft, you know, Nazaral Dean, all those types of players. They, it was just a well-rounded draft that I think fit their football team and continued a great off season they had. They were great and free agency. Here they are in the draft. And I think the thing that I like, you know, of course, hey, the quarterback, I love that.


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[Assistant] You know, and again, you're gonna run the Shanahan running system and those type of plays. Okay, then we gotta get an old line that can do that. Elijah Vera Tucker is, yes, can play tackle, I do believe in the NFL, but guardies like a slam dunk. I'm gonna be able to do everything.


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[Assistant] You know, and that's what, again, Shanahan, the outside zones, the things where the guards are asked to get to the second level and make these cutoff blocks up there, you gotta be athletic and special. So that makes sense. Okay, next thing, let's get back to supporting our quarterback with some weapons. You know, we know they got some receivers and things like that. Elijah Moore is like, perfect.


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[Assistant] To go along with what they got. It was a little bit of a...


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[Assistant] You know, can break tackles. I think you could see him be that Debo Samuel type a little bit for them. You know, fake the toss, here he comes around the other way. And then, last but not least, of course, is the running back. I mean...


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[Assistant] He's a Shanahan perfect fit in their system type running back that way.


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[Assistant] You know, he really is. The only thing that's maybe missing is a little bit more power or anything like that. But when you just talk about, again, a guy that let me see a hole fly through it, go to the second level, he reminded me of Devontae Freeman, who Shanahan killed it with in Atlanta. So I look at that and go, yeah, the Jets were one of the teams that were very impressive.


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[Assistant] Well, they could've. I like what they did. One, because, again, I err on, let's get the second pick of the draft and make sure...


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[Assistant] You know, yes, they want corners, we know that. But, as you've heard me say before, I don't think it's a scheme that...


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[Assistant] Like, whether I've talked to Shanahan or those type of- they don't- they don't-


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[Assistant] It's a zone, 3D zone scheme. They don't want to draft corners really in the top 40 picks of the draft. They don't. Because it's just like, wait, you can find a guy that's...


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[Assistant] Maybe a little less as far as a man-to-man player, and he still fits the scheme perfectly, right? So that's where I think that


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[Assistant] That's where they error on that there. More than anything. Yes, Kelvin Joseph would have been great. Kevin Joseph for the Cowboys. Yeaah, I understand that. But I think this was the right pick. I do. I liked what they did here. Alright, so the Jets, you like them.


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[Assistant] I mean, it is funny. It really is. Yeah, I'm in love with their draft. I mean, yeah, we know. I mean, I think Trevor's a stud, of course.


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[Assistant] ATN, yea, even though I didn't think he was gonna go in the first round, I think I made it very clear that he'd be one of the top picks off on the board in the second round, you know, and hey, for what they're gonna do there and that offense and everything like that, you know, I mean, it makes sense. ATN is the perfect


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[Assistant] College spread NFL type running back. There's just nothing he can't do. You know, he would be up there already or early, early runner rookie of the year. I think he's going to get so many touches in the run game in the pass game. But then to get Tyson Campbell, come on, I picked 33.


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[Assistant] That was amazing. It really was. I mean, Campbell, again,


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[Assistant] You know, ball skills maybe are the thing that people question, but as I'll say all the time.


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[Assistant] You can teach a guy to get a little better at ball skills. You can't teach him, go stick on that guy's hip pocket when he runs everywhere in the field. You don't have to worry about that with Tyson Campbell. He's good. So we have to work on the ball skills. A lot of the other corners that were drafted ahead of him, they're going to have to teach him how to cover the guy and then go, wait, your ball skills are good, but oh right, he's wide open. So it didn't really matter. Uh, that's where I love the Tyson Campbell pick and Walker Little.


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[Assistant] To me, there's just like, yeaah, he didn't play last year. And I know he barely played the year before that. He was such a specimen and so good. I feel like it was a...


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[Assistant] Very low risk pick. Fourth guy you drafted, right? He was your fourth pick. Yeaah. Very low risk, I feel like. You know, for that second, for that part of the round. Hey, it's an A.C. Yellandry two years ago. And he's just a giant of a specimen of a person.


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[Assistant] So, that's where I love that. And then, of course.


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[Assistant] And then of course, uh, walk, I mean, uh, Andre Sisco, my favorite safety. And even J2Feli, who was a top five interior defense alignment for me. So yeah, I thought they really killed it. They addressed a lot of different areas on their team and I think they got like the perfect pick for all of them.


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[Assistant] Yep. I'm not gonna kill it though. You know, first off,


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[Assistant] They've signed a ton of defensive players and free agency, so they have done that to help out their football team, right?


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[Assistant] I think the other thing too again is they are looking at their quarterback and going, what can we do to help him out? James Robinson is good.


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[Assistant] There's no doubt. I think ATN is a notch better though. There's no doubt about that. But you already kind of have someone who's good in that spot. I know. I think though, like, I think it's going to be a little bit about, it shows you the philosophy of their football team a little bit too.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, here goes ATN. Run right. Oh, here's a fake ETN. Here, throw it to DJ Shark.


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[Assistant] Uh, here's a fake to ETN. Oh, throw to ETN.


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[Assistant] Hey, let's go. No huddle. Keep pacing it. ATN's tired. He just ran 70 yards the last three plays. James Robinson, go in there. Flip it up. Here we go. Set hut. Oh, we're running with James Robinson. I think it's just going to be part of their philosophy. A little bit like when we see Shanahan where he's always got three running backs on his roster. And you're kind of like, well, why does he need three running backs?


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[Assistant] Well, one gets heard or he wants to just keep platooning them. So he's got one running back just going in a hundred miles per hour every time. I think it's part of the way they're going to play, let alone here's the other aspect that I think is going to come into play here where you could get both of them on the field and then also ATN


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[Assistant] Is a really good route runner. To where I think you're gonna be like, like Camaro, you're gonna sometimes just put him in the slot.


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[Assistant] And you'd be like, man, I thought they were going to be in two backs, but now it's come into like almost a three receiver set because he's over here in the slot. Wait, we didn't, we were, we were in our base defense because we thought they were going to run the ball and now we're a little bit mismatched. So I think that's the thing, uh, they're looking at that way and ATN has it all. So.


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[Assistant] Yes, was it a glaring need? No, it was not. But I think for the way they want to play, they want insurance for that position, and ATN's better than Robinson.


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[Assistant] And, and, and Mike LaFleur and everybody kinda, I need to see him perform a little bit. I know that there's good, high expectations and we think, and all that, but, uh,


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[Assistant] I've definitely been a big fan of both teams and what they've done in free agency and the draft.


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[Assistant] I mean, they're just, they're putting on a clinic on like team building. Like, it's the second year in a row. You think these guys fit with what they wanna do? Fit, and they're gonna be instant contributors. Like, instant.


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[Assistant] I mean, maybe Liam Eichenberg might have to be a backup guard or tackle at first. But either way, it's an instant contributor because you don't have to worry about anything there. He's gonna fill two needs in one.


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[Assistant] I just think of, you know, one, the trade back to 12, you know, and all the assets they required. Okay, they gave one of those things away to get back up to six. So they had a receiver they fancied. Yeah, I know he wasn't my favorite. Again, he's top 20 pick. We know that for sure.


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[Assistant] And I think, hey, obviously they like them more than me, but where I can get behind is that it makes sense for how they're building their team. You got a Preston Williams, bigger receiver, Devonte Parker, a lankier, skinny receiver like Devonte Smith. We don't need another one.


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[Assistant] We got Kaseki at tight end. Now we got our jitterbug who can do Julian Edelman type stuff with their short routes.


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[Assistant] He's got a three rockets up his ass to take a reverse like Tyree Kills 70 yards down the sideline. So I like that element of it. Jalen Phillips, I mean come on. What do I, what else do I gotta say? Medical concerns, right?


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[Assistant] Right, and who's gonna know more about the guy than the team that's in their hometown of where the kid was playing college football, right? So from that standpoint too, I just, that made me feel better when they took him to go, well they, they're gonna know.


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[Assistant] Like, if any team's gonna know all the ins and outs of the guy...


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[Assistant] He's the best player. If there's no medical concerns, I would bet you he would have been the top player on everybody's board.


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[Assistant] You know, other than maybe five teams, like I'm, I'm gonna just say, you know, I don't know that, but I'm just, he would have been top defensive player on everybody's board. If there's the concussions there, I'm going to say at least 24 out of the 32 teams would have had Jalen Phillips at his number one player. He's just too, there's nothing. I don't know how you can turn on the film and not go, he's awesome. So Holland, uh, uh, uh, safety,


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[Assistant] You know, yet like nickel type of hybrid almost reminds me a little bit of Devon McCourty with the way he runs and the way he's built to a degree. I think he was one of the names I said.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, during our pre-draft process. But yeaah, he's got...


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[Assistant] So you got him, and it's not like he's some slouch and crappy in the pass game, he's pretty good. So I just look at all of that and just go, damn, I mean between last year's draft, what they did in free agency, and now this draft right here, and they got all these picks in next year's draft too, it's just, they're kicking


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[Assistant] Like, they were far off this past year. Exactly right. Player for player, they are right there.


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[Assistant] There's just one element we need to see, right? And I'm not trying to be a jerk here. We just gotta see the quarterback, take that next step. Okay? I know I'm a two-a-hater. I get it.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, but in all seriousness, yeaah, we just need to see that, right? Not that he has to take over the world and have some Josh Allen breakout type year, but to where we just go,


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[Assistant] You know, that's the big thing. But player for player? I mean, the Dolphins roster is young, up and coming, and extremely talented, and not even close to their potential yet. So that's what's exciting about the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] I mean, really, everything. Every pick. Amon Ra St. Brown? If you would have told me what team he was going to end up at...


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[Assistant] I would have told you the Rams of the Lions. I knew it. He's a Cooper, he's Cooper Cup. He's that guy. That's what I kind of said during the draft process. He knew it. Not gonna like wow you're like woah he's so fast, but you're gonna go damn he's a great route runner, he catches everything, and he's got good enough speed to where, so that was great. But like, first off,


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[Assistant] Hey, I mean, one, the name of the game is the line of scrimmage, like you know, right?


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[Assistant] And then two, the name of the game is definitely in the line of scrimmage when your head coach is Dan Campbell and all he talks about is biting kneecaps and ankles and eating toes for lunch and like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay. So I love when the personality of the coach and the roster kind of come together where you're like, whoa, this roster really like just speaks the coach. This is him, right? Oh, you got Penny Sewell, the biggest ass kicker in the draft on the offensive line. Great.


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[Assistant] Oh, you got Levi Onzerike, the biggest ass kicker on the defensive, interior defensive line in the draft? Whoa, great. Oh, wait, the next round you got Aleem McNeil, the biggest fucking plugger, mosh pitter, run stopper in the draft, and oh yeaah, he's a pretty good athlete to go on top of that.


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[Assistant] You know, Melon Fan Wu was not my favorite cover corner, but he's a very good athlete and has size. They might be able to, they'll find out a role for him, whether it's covering tight ends or being a third safety or something like that. You'd heard me talk about Amin Rasayn Brown and then even Derek Barnes in the fourth round.


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[Assistant] Derek Barnes is a really good middle linebacker to be getting the fourth round. Pretty good speed, but like...


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[Assistant] Again, fits the culture to me. He's tough, he's a thumper, he's a big ten-minute linebacker where he's like, you wanna come downhill, I'll meet you there. So, I just like when


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[Assistant] Not that I always have to love the players, but at least the, the culture of the picks fit the culture of the team. And that's how you build something in my opinion. So I think that was really cool.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's what I've, I've said about Dan Campbell a few times. And again, you know, you just, you connect dots, right? Wait, they got Dan Campbell and Anthony Lin. Dan Campbell just came from


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[Assistant] The New Orleans Saints, where they believe in big people and dominate the line of scrimmage. And of course, he played in the Bill Parcell scheme and all of that.


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[Assistant] And, you know, early in his coaching career was working for Bill. So that's the way he believes in building a team. Anthony Lynn believes that. So it just made too much sense. And yes, you know, that's what they're going to start the game of. They're going to, the first thing they're going to worry about when they get ready for a team on Monday and they start their preparations is going to be,


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[Assistant] Wait, how are we gonna dominate up front? What are we gonna do to dominate up front?


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[Assistant] As we got closer to the draft, I don't think anybody really believed they were going to take a quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I know the thought was out there, right? But to me, it was a little bit like the Denver thought, where I think they were just one of those teams that was like, yeah, we're going to take a quarterback. Anybody want to trade up to seven and take a quarterback?


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[Assistant] I mean, they might as well just said that. I don't know if I ever really believed it.


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[Assistant] You know, unless like maybe a Trevor Lawrence fellow them.


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[Assistant] Well, I think that's right. That's part of the, you know, what we're talking about here. I think when you first have to say that, the fact that they pulled off a first round pick, you know, to get that for next year's draft, I think that's, you know, of course part of one of the reasons I say yes, they won the draft.


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[Assistant] You know, you know, from anybody that knows anything within the know and the NFL that they had their eyes on Devontae Smith.


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[Assistant] So that was how they wanted to build their team. They were looking for that position. So that's great. And kind of like knowing you're bored a little bit. You get a guy like Kaderius Tony who you heard, if you heard Urban Meyer this weekend, they were dying to get him a 25. I mean, Tony,


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[Assistant] Is, really, if he's more polished route running, he's gonna be regarded like Jaylen Waddle and like a top 12 pick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, he's, he's, it's, it's an overblown conversation. He needs work on his route running, but not to the point where you're like, oh my gosh, it's so bad, he'll never be able to get open. No, it's a little bit like you heard me say with like Jamar Chase. You know, again,


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[Assistant] Well, like the good receivers, the really explosive ones like Jamar Chase and Kadaria Stoney and some, sometimes they're just like, well, I don't worry about route running cause I always get open. I'm open. I don't know what else do I need to do? They just told me to get open. So yes, he needs to work on some of that stuff.


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[Assistant] The pure physical specimen is what you should be excited about if you're a Giants fan.


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[Assistant] Again, it's a weapon is what we're talking about here. We're talking about that Deebo Samuel Tyree kill type where, yeaah, reverses, speed sweeps are gonna be a whole different game.


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[Assistant] Now, with hit, with the ball in his hands. He becomes like a, a true game breaking type running back with the ball in his hands. And for like what they're gonna ask him to routes, he's gonna run and things like that. He's not gonna be on the outside running like.


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[Assistant] Post corners or post corner post. They're not, he's gonna be on the inside of the slot and they're gonna go run a shallow cross. Five yards, go as fast as you can. Run a slant.


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[Assistant] Boom! Hey, we want you to push up to 12 and then cross to the opposite numbers at 25 yard line on a deep crossing route.


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[Assistant] It really puts Daniel Jones and Jason Garrett under the microscope. Cause there's really no wiggle room now. It's like, hey, offensive line's good enough. That running back, back healthy. Evan Ingram.


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[Assistant] Golladay, Darius Slayton, Kadarius Tony, Sterling Shepard.


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[Assistant] There's, there's a lot of weapons there now. So that's why I think part of the beauty of this though too is, you know, they're going to know what Daniel Jones is after this year, officially. They are. And it is going to put also a microscope on Jason Garrett too because people are going to be like, hey, there's weapons here. We, we, we should be explosive and fun to watch and all of that stuff to go along with it.


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[Assistant] That's why that's exciting. Hey, Ojolari, I think is a perfect fit for what they want to do. You know, I had him going away in the first round. I mean, I always thought they were looking for this type of guy on the edge.


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[Assistant] Not the most talented pass rusher in the world, but a big physical presence who can drop into coverage in their 3-4 like scheme and can do it all. Aaron Robinson, you know I love him. I mean, that was a steal to get him out of UCF in round 3.


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[Assistant] I don't, he again, I know I'm not alone in this. He is one of the best pure man-to-man cover corners in this draft. So I'm excited because of those first three picks and then getting next year's first round pick. I think that's why you put the Giants in one of the top


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[Assistant] From the standpoint again of getting people that are going to help their football team like right now and addressing needs that needed to be addressed like desperately, alright?


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[Assistant] It seemed like people weren't happy that they took Micah Parsons. Were Dallas fans not really happy? It seemed that way.


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[Assistant] So, but yeaah, but either way. It wasn't like one of those like, oh my god, slam dunk, we got this. No, and I don't know why they should have been. Because, again, I think this was easily one of the three or four best defensive players on the board. There's no doubt in my mind.


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[Assistant] And I think a lot of people probably would have viewed him as a top two or top three defensive guy. You know, one character concern and then there was the opt out, right? So that was the big issue. They need.


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[Assistant] They, they're, first off, I think what they're telling you, they're concerned about their middle linebackers. And we know that. They're not giving Van Der Rush the fifth year option. He had a neck issue coming out of college, and he's had a neck issue the last two years in the NFL. So they're concerned. That's the first thing they're drafting Michael Parsons.


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[Assistant] Jalen Smith wasn't anything to like write home about last year, next year, last year either. You know, so you get a, they got a Jabril Cox in fourth round. That type of athletic linebacker, two guys that fit


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[Assistant] The way they want to play football. You know, and again, I know I always go back. So here we got Dan Quinn, right? I always like to connect us. Dan Quinn, Atlanta Falcons. He just got his.


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[Assistant] Deon Jones and his Devondre Campbell, right? Does that make sense? That Gerbil Cox is the Devondre Campbell type, that kind of guy. Long, athletic, can run around, make tackles and all that. Michael Parsons is better than Deon Jones coming out. I mean, Michael Parsons, you know, you, this is the Seattle scheme again.


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[Assistant] They want to get a big time middle linebacker in that scheme to run, I mean, they asked so much of the position in coverage and in stopping the run. You know, it's like, again, I hate to always go back to the well with my sayings, but they got their Bobby Wagner. They got their, you know,


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[Assistant] Kenneth Murray, the chargers drafted the guy from Oklahoma the year before. Same defensive scheme. Dion Jones, Miles Jack, Darius Leonard. Who else am I missing? Oh, the Browns got Owusu Koromoa. Wait, who else? I'm missing some other teams.


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[Assistant] That's, they're looking for that type of player. And Parsons to me is rare in the fact that he's that big, but can move like all those guys we just talked about. Right.


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[Assistant] So now let's go. Right. Well, and then this is where you go back into the other conversation a little bit here. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Hey, JC Horn and Surtain got drafted before?


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[Assistant] You know, they would have liked, I don't know, so they probably would have gotten that. There was no corner that was worthy of 12 to take him there. Alright, so there's that, and then,


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[Assistant] What did I say about this defensive scheme and how they value it a little bit? It's the Seattle scheme, it's like I said with the Jets.


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[Assistant] They're not always, since they know they play so much zone, they don't like to use top 15 and top 20 picks on the corner position. Right. They don't like that. It's, it's wha, wha, you know, why? You know, you can get, you can have, like, why, why like, oh, we gotta have Deon Sanders.


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[Assistant] To do the same, like, just to touch a guy and then go backwards, and like, I got my third.