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[Assistant] And wind is, you know, you can talk about wind being out of your control. And it is, you cannot control the wind, but you can control how you use the wind. And once you understand some of that, and there's still going to be things that happen out of your control,


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[Assistant] That mess up a hunt, but it goes into the setup and everything else that you're in control of where you set up. You're in control of all of these things. Understanding the thermals and the winds in part of that, that aspect of the setup.


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[Assistant] You can really take control of that situation.


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[Assistant] Like I said, it's probably the most important topic that we can talk about and there's volumes that can be written just on wind and thermals. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And I've got, you know, there are some things that are definitely


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[Assistant] Do you have your bow or your gun? Do you have arrows with broadheads and bullets? Do you have your license? Okay. We have enough to go out and hunt.


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[Assistant] Hey guys, I'm gonna run into town, I know there's a Dairy Queen, I'm gonna have a cooler full of dilly bars waiting for you at the truck when you get that elk packed out.


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[Assistant] And I was young and eager and I could throw two quarters on my back and run to the truck and we worked well together. He worked well with me being there.


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[Assistant] And he, you know, I didn't realize he was sitting there taking a nap for a half hour until he heard me breaking branches. He'd jump up and it'll quickly cut the next quarter off.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, it's hard because for me when I was younger I would look and there was a project in Idaho near us that they got involved in and provided access on to what used to be private land.


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[Assistant] And I look at that, I would never hunt here. Like this isn't an area I would come and hunt. So for me, that's a waste of dollars going there. As I've grown older and gained wisdom, I realize.


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[Assistant] That was primary winter ground or winter ground corridor that they were able to go in and improve.


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[Assistant] And not have shut down to, I mean, you look at developments, if you have private land and then in this area, it would have been prime development land for somebody to go and put ranchettes on.


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[Assistant] But they are providing, you know, winter grounds, they're opening access in areas that have previously been private and all these things that...


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[Assistant] There's two different, I guess, trains of thoughts on trail cameras. One is if you're hunting a place like New Mexico, Arizona, you go put a trail camera on a tank. Right. And you see how many 400 inch bulls are coming in there. You pick the one that you want to focus on.


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[Assistant] That was tough. Uhm, but, but the way I use them isn't that I don't focus on a single elk. I've never focused on one elk and hunted that elk. And I know there's some people that do and in places, you know, like Utah, Nevada, things like that, where you draw that tag that takes a lot of years.


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[Assistant] Maybe that's your goal. And that's totally fine and understandable. For me though, I use it more to determine how many elk are really in an area. What are their habits? What are their patterns? And I don't even look for bulls. I love to see bulls on trail camera, but I know if I'm finding bulls on trail camera during the summer,


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[Assistant] They might move 15 or 20 miles when the rut kicks in. These holes might literally move down a canyon 15 or 20 miles to where the rut actually happens.


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[Assistant] And so if I'm up in the high country in the summer looking for bulls and I find them...


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[Assistant] There's a really good chance they're not even going to be anywhere in the vicinity.


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[Assistant] So what I'm looking for are the cows. Because where the cows are in June, July, August,


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[Assistant] That's typically where the rut's gonna happen. Yeah. And the cows will move up from their winter ground. They will get into their calving areas and that's where they raise their calves in the summer. It's a safe place. There's lots of feed. They raise the calves there. Well, lo and behold,


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[Assistant] The rut kicks in and that's where they're at. So if I can get in and find huge groups of cows, I usually don't put out trail cameras until the first part of July.


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[Assistant] And you know, the cows have had their calves. I'm not in disturbing that or anything. And I put them out 4th of July weekend somewhere in there. And then by the 15th of August, I've found pretty much everything I need. And I don't usually check them and tell about the 15th of August.


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[Assistant] And as long as I'm getting lots of cows on trail camera and I'm talking, I love to see groups of cows of 15 to 25, 30 cows because I know that there's going to be multiple bulls coming into that area. It's not going to be one bull that comes in there and takes all those cows. There'll be multiple bulls that show up.


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[Assistant] And so I find those big groups of cows and then September 5th I just sit back in my lawn chair and wait for the bugles to start and then I go chasing.


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[Assistant] In Idaho, you can't hunt within, you know, I forget the distance, but you can't hunt around bait for deer and elk. In Oregon, you can. You can put up a salt, like you can dump salt on the ground and climb up in a tree stand and hunt that pile of salt. Really?


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[Assistant] Uh, Arizona, you can put out minerals and, you know, so there are ways to attract animals to certain areas. Typically, I'm looking for either really good feed and water close by, good well-used trail, and that's gonna tell me pretty much what I need to know with the cameras.


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[Assistant] I've seen a tank with a post, you know, a 4-inch or 6-inch wood post next to the tank with probably 12 or 14 trail cameras on that one post. And who knows, you know, what was around it in the junipers and stuff around there.


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[Assistant] That's not how I use trail cameras, but it's effective and especially, you know, you get the outfitters and stuff in some of those areas that their clients want to know what elk is in that area and they want to focus on a specific animal and that's how they do it.


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[Assistant] And trail cameras are, there's an anticipation when you walk in to check a trail camera. It's like, what was here when I wasn't here? And we'll put them out in September. You know, we'll find an active wallow and I usually carry a trail camera. I've just got these little tiny, they're stealth cam.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I just carry one in my backpack with a memory card and a bunch of batteries and if I find a wallow that's really active,


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[Assistant] I'll put it up and during the week while we're hunting there, I'll just leave it and I'll come back at the end of the hunt just to see what was there. We did it last year in Wyoming. There was a wallow on the road and it was a rough, you know, two track type road.


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[Assistant] But there was a wallow six feet off the road. Wow. And we drove up that morning to go and uh, we were hunting with Trent and Cody from Born and Raised and Land of the Free Project.


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[Assistant] And I stopped in the dark and tied a trail camera to the tree and we took off up the canyon and hiked in there. Trent shot his bull and we packed it out and Dirk and I came out and got the truck and drove around the mountain to meet everybody and stopped and checked the trail camera.


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[Assistant] But if we ramble, we came up with topics, now we have topics to talk about in the next episode.


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[Assistant] And how do they, uh, subscribe? All that? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yep, all the podcasts will be there at ElkTalkPodcast.com. Am I having trouble saying that or Elk Talk Podcast? It just seems very choppy. It must be the consonants there.


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[Assistant] One, two, three. Welcome to Muay Thai Bones. The most in-depth podcast on Muay Thai in the world. Is that the new thing we're saying? Sure. Uh, if you're new to the podcast, we're driving home, our home's in Pattaya, uh, about ten and a half hours from Chiang Mai.


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[Assistant] Uh, so we just has come back, uh, just fought two fights in Chiang Mai and we do this podcast on the way home, uh, talking, basically sharing the kinds of conversations that we, uh, naturally have.


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[Assistant] And basically we're exploring like all the ways in which Muay Thai touches life.


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[Assistant] Which is our lives, but also hopefully to inspire other people to be touched by it in a broad way.


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[Assistant] So we don't usually do this, uh, but we're, we do field questions from, uh, people. Uh, normally what, our subjects come from things that we've been thinking about since the last podcast. Things that come up in our life. We're always like,


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[Assistant] Anyways, uh, but we also field questions. So the first we asked on Facebook, uhm,


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[Assistant] For ideas of things that people are interested in and, uh, Hannah Jackson?


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[Assistant] Hannah Jackson said she'd be interested in how it was in the beginning, uh, when Sylvie first started training, uh, in New Jersey with Master K.


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[Assistant] Not everybody knows who Master K is and where you began so many years ago, maybe ten years ago.


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[Assistant] Well, let's pull back and like, who is Master K? Like, but people don't.


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[Assistant] And Master K's heart was burning with an incredible ember because he was removed from his home country, removed from this fighting art that he loved.


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[Assistant] Uh, he had fought in, and he had for decades by the time we met him, also been working on his Moi. Like he had his Moi from when he was fighting in the 70s, uh, but he also just continually worked on


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[Assistant] What Muay Thai was to him. So when we encountered him, he was like a mad scientist of Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Who has, uh, hitting 70 years of age, and he, like, we, I like to say that


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[Assistant] Diesel Noi is the only man I've met who loves Muay Thai as much or more than Master K. Like I've never, we've met a lot of people who love Muay Thai. It's quite passionately followed.


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[Assistant] Master K kept that flame alive in America, in his basement. At three in the morning he'd be working on his kick, like, his perseverance was insane.


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[Assistant] He wasn't just finesse, he had a very powerful style, like explosive. He was inspired by western boxers.


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[Assistant] He was uhm, and just to let everyone know, so we lived quite far from any training. We were an hour and a half from a New York Manhattan gym. We lived in the woods basically, in a little cottage. And so we would still be


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[Assistant] It was very expensive to take private lessons but that's what he offered and that's what was special. So we tried to see Master K as much as possible and it started out once a week. We would drive.


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[Assistant] An hour, hour and a half, I don't remember, uh, to his home in New Jersey and have these sessions and that's how our YouTube started was you, we would just film these sessions and they're all up on YouTube.


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[Assistant] Mostly, some of it was to like, check your technique or whatever. Most of it was like, Master K is like a Mr. Miyagi, incredible persona and his moi is old school. And we were like, we wanna share this with the whole world. It's not, it's just stuck in a basement really. And I'm like, this needs to be, we need to,


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[Assistant] Show people, and it was like the beginning of realizing what YouTube was because people all over the world started like,


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[Assistant] Looking at Master K's old Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's very special to begin with Master K. Like, we've seen legends everywhere. There's still no one like him. Like, even close. And it's also interesting because...


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[Assistant] He's also a man of a time, and occasionally we come upon somebody in Thailand that has elements of Master K. Sagat has elements of Master K. Sagat, when you train with Sagat, you're like, wow, am I back with Master K? Which is fucking incredible.


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[Assistant] Which is very special, it's like we go far, we go far from Master K back to Thailand, and we find him.


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[Assistant] What do you mean? I don't fully... What do you mean by separable? Why would you think they're separable?


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[Assistant] And you combine that with somebody who's really self-critical, like you are, can be really, like, you'll weigh harder on yourself.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I think that the weird combination of Master K's and


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[Assistant] Probably beautiful Muay Thai. Like, it's as beautiful as any we've seen in all of Thailand.


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[Assistant] And it's real, like it's not some kind of like stage muay thai, like the things he understood about the kick.


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[Assistant] Weight transfer, the hips, like these are things that-


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[Assistant] These are things that are taught and not even known by legends. Uhm, and on reflection, we knew it was something special then, but we didn't know anything else.


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[Assistant] It's, I'm telling you, ten years later, it's really special, boy, and...


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[Assistant] So, you were being exposed to this, what we used to call like, PhD level, and you're like, I haven't even really learned how to blotch, right? And you're getting this really beautiful Muay Thai, and it created a lot of tension for yourself.


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[Assistant] Oh, the cultural barriers. Yeah, 100%. And he...


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[Assistant] I don't know, I think it was an extreme example of what a lot of people


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[Assistant] encounter when they come to Muay Thai, especially when they encounter it at like a really authentic level, like they train with a Thai X fighter or they come to Thailand and they just see the fluidity and the balance and the thing is like, you encounter this technique that just is like another world of movement and ease, relaxation,


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[Assistant] And you're just like, I wanna do that. And it's not.


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[Assistant] It's not easy. If you're just trying to approximate it, you're gonna run into a lot of stress and disappointment. Right?


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[Assistant] I think Gansag is a two-time fighter of the year, all-time legend, Yodmoy.


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[Assistant] Like even the other day, you put up that photo, this ballerina photo that I took of you, and I was like, wow, you're still thinking about the beauty of the kick, like that's really what you were thinking about with Master K. I'm like, it's still there. Why are you giving me a dirty look?


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[Assistant] Like, we were in Thailand, well into Thailand, and you're like, Wung, please help me help fix my kick.


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[Assistant] And he's like, go ahead and kick, and you kicked, and he's like, okay, no problem. It's okay. You look like you could hurt somebody. Yeah. That's pretty much it. And you're like, no, the tie kick, I want the tie kick.


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[Assistant] Aesthetic eye that you had even back when you were looking at Master K, when we'd see Master K, you'd be like, holy fuck, it's so pretty.


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[Assistant] But you cannot get to that kick by chasing the beauty.


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[Assistant] Like the way to the beauty is this whole round trip of exhaustion, repetition,


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[Assistant] Surrendering to ugly. Yes. Letting your body find its own lines. Like every body has its own lines. Like water, you pour, you go to the top of the hill and you pour the water and you see where the water will run.


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[Assistant] And sometimes you can dig a ditch and make it run a certain way, but really the things that you will trust the most and use the most and will be most self-expressive, they're already there.


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[Assistant] And I, I, it is a very, he's such an interesting foundation for your moi. Because it,


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[Assistant] If you made a movie of him, you'd turn him into that probably, right?


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[Assistant] Any other thoughts about, we've thought to ourselves we'd like to fly them out here.


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[Assistant] You're like, not interested in talking about that. You're like, mmm.


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[Assistant] I think it would be so cool to bring him into a gym, and then, diesel annoying. Can you imagine?


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[Assistant] When he left Thailand was probably right around when Diesel Noy was coming up.


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[Assistant] As the great fighter of his generation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he would just be like, whack, whack. Like you know, he's still hitting the bag at 3 o'clock in the morning.


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[Assistant] So I don't know, that's something we've thought about maybe doing.


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[Assistant] He like, uhm, has a image of Thailand where it's really been like,


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[Assistant] Forward through a televisions news screen for now decades.


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[Assistant] High tempo, yeaah. And so, uh, for a long time you were trying to like, little man it.


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[Assistant] And it took a while, took a long, a while to even to discover my cow.


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[Assistant] And, uh, this kind of other way of fighting, uh,


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[Assistant] And find yourself. And that took, what, how many, many years, right? Like three or four years. Many years. Yeah. Uh, but we still keep Master K with us.


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[Assistant] Next topic, uh, kind of comes in line with what we were talking about with Master K, the origin story. Funny. Uhm, is growth spurts.


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[Assistant] 253 and 254. 254 was against Neng Hong.


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[Assistant] We're gonna go too deep into the particulars of the fight because many of you haven't seen it.


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[Assistant] But it will be up with Sylvie's commentary and it's already was live streamed on Facebook if you want to take a look at it. Uhm.


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[Assistant] But Nihong is a really difficult opponent, uh.


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[Assistant] Sylvie's fought her a lot and actually beat her many times, but every time it feels like you're fucking climbing up a rock wall with bare fingers.


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[Assistant] She's big. She's like 8 or 9 kilos bigger now. She's confident. Super experienced. Well over 100 fights. She's mean. She'll like meet you in the eye. She wants to cut Sylvie. Like she's learned like that's the way to stop Sylvie is to cut her.


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[Assistant] She's got the skills, got multiple elbows, throws elbows much more aggressively than almost any female fighter that you've faced. Like, there's only a handful that have been like that.


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[Assistant] But I'm saying that she throws them more, I don't know about training, but she throws them more than, I don't know that I've ever really, any of your other opponents have thrown them so persistently. So this is a huge, like every time Sylvie's fighting her, it's like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, Sylvie's got the better of her in the matchup, but it is like...


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[Assistant] Ah, very difficult fight. And I just wanna, the reason why we're talking about it is...


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[Assistant] Me watching the fight is one of Sylvie's best fights ever. She fought in so many ways, like...


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[Assistant] The many things were happening in that fight, many skills and qualities that for years you've like told yourself to do.


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[Assistant] Yelling at yourself to go forward or to jab or do whatever.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I don't want to rule it out. I don't want to say you're doing it wrong if you're yelling at yourself. But if you're anything like Sylvie, you're doing it wrong. It does not help to be giving yourself verbal commands.


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[Assistant] And so what we're kinda talking about is this really cool thing where in a single fight Sylvie was suddenly doing like five things that she would


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[Assistant] A year ago, or whatever, be telling herself to do.


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[Assistant] Which is weird because there's a lot of how it's talked like in the UFC or whatever. You have a fight camp and you develop particular skills and then you use these skills because your coaches are like, when they do this, you do that. It might work for some people, but you've found that's not the way to go for yourself.


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[Assistant] This is really weird though, because this is stuff you've been working on for years, where you're like, relax Sylvie. You know you fight better when relaxed, so you're telling yourself, relax, practice relaxing, like, these are things that you, that produce great amount of frustration.


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[Assistant] Some of this is what we've discussed in another podcast, I forgot which one, is that change sometimes is like a sand pile.


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[Assistant] Or you like drop the little sand grains on the top of the sand pile and nothing really happens. Nothing really happens. And then you drop one and suddenly there's like a little avalanche on the side and then you drop a couple more.


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[Assistant] Nothing happens and nothing happens and then suddenly you drop one and the whole side of the sand pile cascades. And there's, uhm...


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[Assistant] There's a field of science that talks about networking and the reason why that avalanche builds up is that the connectivity between grains


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[Assistant] Increases over time as you're dropping the sand grains and then suddenly they become like dominoes and you drop that one and it just creates a cascade. And then it's theorized that human brain is structured like this too in that


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[Assistant] If you're learning, not just particular skills, but rather like,


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[Assistant] In a global sense, and this is why relaxation is important.


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[Assistant] You're building connections in your brain that can all be fired at once.


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[Assistant] Right? And you might think you're not developing.


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[Assistant] Just like those grains of sand are dropping. Right? And nothing's happening. But all that connectivity between the grains is building up.


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[Assistant] And you can suddenly produce a global shift, like an avalanche of change and it's almost like


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[Assistant] You prevent the avalanche from happening by stressing out so much that you haven't grown yet.


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[Assistant] We're more prone to that. I think that really high level fighters...


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[Assistant] Like, when you watch, like, great fights of, like, boxing fights of the 80s or, uhm, Muay Thai fights of the 90s, and you see really, you know, Muay, you're really seeing, uh,


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[Assistant] Fighters that are balanced on the edge of everything being able to cascade together at a single moment in the fight, which then becomes dominant.


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[Assistant] But much of the fight, nothing's really connected and happening the way... I don't know what I'm fully saying here, but they're not at...


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[Assistant] Like, uh, some aren't fight, he's not fighting at a 9 out of 10 the whole fight.


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[Assistant] He's fighting at a 3 out of 10, a 6 out of 10.


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[Assistant] Moving through the zone, but then at a certain moment, he's a 10 out of 10.


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[Assistant] And if it's not a knockout, it's a dominant moment that the fighter can't, can't recover from.


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[Assistant] And I think that's a trap that we fall into, a kind of weird perfectionist trap where we're like, just because I was able to do it, I should be able to do it tomorrow.


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[Assistant] For me, it returns back to what are you doing in the gym, and you've been working in the gym for maybe the last eight months now on what we call Growing Your Eyes. We've talked about it in other Moitai Bona episodes, which is about


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[Assistant] Not trying to do the perfect technique, which everyone tries to do, but you really just want to start just perceiving what's happening. Like, where are your feet? You just got kicked. Did you see the kick?


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[Assistant] See the kick. Don't judge the fact you didn't get your block up.


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[Assistant] See the kick. Let the supercomputer of your body experience things.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, don't verbally command yourself over and over again. And you've been moving in this direction quite a bit, and I think that's where the flexibility has come from, is you're spending more and more time in that, like, unconscious, conscious state.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're more connected to your training, so you feel like that's true?


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[Assistant] So hard though. It's really hard. Because the reason why you have that belief is it's what you've, uh, entrenched in your training.


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[Assistant] And I think that a lot of Westerners run into this problem in that they might be able to dominate opposition.


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[Assistant] That's not like a Thai-style sighted, like grown-eyes opposition, with something they do very well, and then a Thai will just take that away.


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[Assistant] A typical thing that happens in female Muay Thai is the Thai female fighter will just move away from you.


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[Assistant] Point. You can score points by moving away from somebody. Defensively.


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[Assistant] And so, yeaah, if you just stand there, I can punch you. Great, but they're not gonna stand there.


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[Assistant] Or they'll deep you or they'll just counter kick you the whole time and just rack up the points.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I guess a deeper thought of this is like,


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[Assistant] And this is, you can just say this, but it's very hard to do, is...


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[Assistant] Realize that if you don't have like really acute


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[Assistant] Self-critical thoughts and doubts about yourself. Like, why haven't I changed yet? Why can't, do I still have problems with my kick or my whatever?


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[Assistant] It's like, if you're doing the work in a relaxed way and a perceptive way, you're dropping grains of sand. You're creating connectivity in your body.


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[Assistant] Can produce a cascade of change.


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[Assistant] I'm ready to give up, but it's like, and I was also in the Dawn Wall, the guy was like, he was trying to traverse a part of the body, I mean part of the rock face that he had never been able to traverse before and he had failed with cameras on him.


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[Assistant] And every reasonable person would be like, he's just not gonna do that. Like, and then suddenly he did.


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[Assistant] Like these little cascades of change are pretty cool.


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[Assistant] Now the question is how do you like stay training in that, right?


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[Assistant] So, uh, next topic, I guess we're kind of rolling along a kind of like, what do you see?


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[Assistant] Next topic is, we're kind of rolling along this kind of like, training experiences theme, accidentally, right? Uh, but a really cool thing that's happened recently is that there's a lot of women in the gym at Petren Rung, Sylvie trains at Petren Rung gym in Patia, uhm,


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[Assistant] That, there have been stretches when there's women in there and you, like, what's more important is you feel like you're the only woman in the gym. Very, very, very often. And the truth is, is that in the mornings, uh, for many years, it would just be you and Pnue.


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[Assistant] It was a very solitary experience. In the afternoons, uh, they're much more, much busier the more people come in the afternoons. Uhm, but so you have this experience of being like the only female in a male space surrounded by older Thai trainers, Thai boys, and now suddenly it feels like there's a lot of women in the gym training.


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[Assistant] In some ways she's your like opposite in that she's like this super tall, like.


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[Assistant] But then in other ways you guys are like, uhm, very- You're cat memes, mates.


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[Assistant] And to keep in mind, this is a traditional Thai family, like a small family style gym. So uhm, having women there is really in the context of a larger


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[Assistant] Like, traditional gym space.


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[Assistant] Right, it's not a western, it's not a western oriented gym really.


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[Assistant] Girls over 60 kilos. She would, and she's a clinch-moi-calf fighter, she loves the moi-calf thing, that's so easy. She's like 6 feet.


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[Assistant] She's very tall and long. She's got the body that Dieseloy is like made to instruct. And she was clinching with these guys that were...


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[Assistant] They weren't ties, uh, westerners, and I was like shocked to see her just overwhelming these guys. I was really shocked, and she was doing it in a very like calm, but aggressive, moi cao way, and it was just like, every person in a gym creates a vibration, right?


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[Assistant] And even if you're not trying to make a vibration, you're making one. Like even if you sit in the corner and are on your phone, you're making a vibration, right?


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[Assistant] Having new, these new vibrations in a traditional space and harmonizing a little bit like you feel like they are, is, is a powerful thing.


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[Assistant] And in a weird way, the women are lifting the energy of the gym because in some ways women have to train harder with more sincerity to be legitimated.


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[Assistant] So what is that? Now, you've experienced, there's two of you, before.


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[Assistant] But, now there's four of you, five of you, like, what is the difference between there's two of you and now there's five of you? Like, what, or you, personally?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I, there's a dimension of this, I don't know if it's easy to communicate, but Thai family style gyms.


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[Assistant] There are collections of people from the neighborhood, like, uh,


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[Assistant] Totally, totally. That's not how, that's not the family style gym that produces so much great muay thai in Thailand. And what's really interesting about the female changes that are happening at Petrum Rung is that they too have this eclectic community thing where Korean girl after school, serious legendary fighter Sylvie,


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[Assistant] And then there's this other weird thing where you're like the fantasy about the Thai camp and


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[Assistant] Being exposed to the regimen of a professional fighter.


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[Assistant] This eclectic thing is actually really the authentic one.


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[Assistant] Not the like, bootcamp, thing.


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[Assistant] There's just a full spectrum of people of degrees of seriousness and investment. And then you get like,


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[Assistant] It's interesting to see the female dimension of this on gender developing in the same kind of community sense that


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[Assistant] Some pretty serious female fighters coming from around the world to learn Muay Thai. This has a very crazy


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[Assistant] Diversity too, it's not what people usually refer to in diversity.


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[Assistant] This probably has grown out of Sylvie's example, but also like what we did with the female, uhm, the Moikau Summit, not even a year ago, where we brought women from around the world to train with legends in the gym in the Moikau style, and


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[Assistant] It's interesting, peop- women are coming to train with you, but...


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[Assistant] There's not waves of women. It's just these independent types.


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[Assistant] The people who are drawn to make the extra trip out to Patia...


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[Assistant] Kiro's so independent, she might not have ever even come.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's uhm, there's like a filter that goes on, and that the only people that pass through the filter tend to be these lights.


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[Assistant] It's like how we figured out that at the Moikawa Summit, really, really amazing women came because we gave almost no lead-in, like time lead-in.


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[Assistant] Who'd like get on a plane that lets you go do this, right? And so we got like 14 women who were like, I'd get on a plane and do this crazy thing. And so the minute they walked into the gym, they were like, heart and soul, tell me what it is and I'll do it. And every single one was like that. It was just amazing.


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[Assistant] I don't know if there's a way to nurture this, uhm, to grow it slowly, this tendency.


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[Assistant] What do you think? Or you're like, I just like it the way it is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you have to feed, you have to feed. Like, this didn't happen by accident.


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[Assistant] Oddity. It's weird because it's not just like welcoming will take any students, uh, to Ching. It's more like welcoming in this weird kind of like, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, it's very hard to explain that combination of things that PNU does, but maybe you said it when you're like, uh, everybody does the same work.


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[Assistant] Rolling? Rolling. Okay. Uh, next topic, slowly take it away.


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[Assistant] And he's looking at you training. So, he's like...


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[Assistant] You need to train how you wanna fight.


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[Assistant] And part of this we think comes out of marathoning, where you like, you train really grueling, beyond even really Thai levels, for many, many months, like the day after a fight or what not, like,


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[Assistant] And so, he was showing you on the bag, pop, pop, pop, and then kill shot.


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[Assistant] Right? What? You're not interested?


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[Assistant] Well, also if you are naturally aggressive because of whatever your life experiences are, it's because aggression is a skill you learned.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? It's like, it's a quality you've developed over repeated training, whether it was unconscious or conscious.


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[Assistant] For many people, you have to train the aggression and the violence, and I guess...


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[Assistant] I was there and I was like watching and I'm like...


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[Assistant] To me, it's almost a musical quality, like, he's like a poet listening to you read a line monotone.


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[Assistant] Okay, your enunciation is great. And there's really well-formed words there.


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[Assistant] But, well, yeaah, if you said it right, that would be poetry too, because it'd be SIR!


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[Assistant] He's like, where is the voice in those strikes where it's like, and then crashing it and it's almost like a, and how do you-


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[Assistant] But how do you train that? Like he wants you to train that every minute.


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[Assistant] It reminds me very much like musicality or, uh, like in Thai, the accent goes at the end of the la- on the last syllable. Yep. Very often.


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[Assistant] Is that kind of thing that when, when he's not hearing you, when Dizono is not, I mean, um, Hippie's not hearing the accent, the emphasis on the final syllable. He's like, that's not a word.


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[Assistant] It's not a thing. And for him, not all fighters have that sensitivity, but he does. What are you laughing about?


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[Assistant] Part of training, the blessing of training with all these legends is every legend has a dimension that is just their burning fire. And I think for Hippie,


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[Assistant] He has this like explosive, like where is this kill shot and it should be trained.


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[Assistant] Every, like, it's a rhythm, it's a cadence. It's like, pop, pop, pop, kill, kill, like you want those killing moments. And there's another interesting dimension about this, about uhm,


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[Assistant] Violence and everybody, if you want to be a fighter means you have a positive relationship to violence. A lot of people want to be fighters that don't have a positive relationship to violence. They have a negative one and they struggle within themselves and Malcolm Gladwell had a really, I think it was Malcolm Gladwell, maybe not, it was about how there was a study done of military


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[Assistant] Of people in the military firing weapons.


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[Assistant] I believe. And they were like 80% something like I'm just throwing this out these numbers 80% of the people firing weapons at the enemy.


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[Assistant] Fire above the enemy. That they're not actually-


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[Assistant] They're not actually trying. They are so conflicted about killing.


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[Assistant] Performing the acts of being a soldier is not like they're not firing. They have to fire because everyone's firing, right?


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[Assistant] And this was a consternation of the military. They're like, well, we have some pretty inefficient...


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[Assistant] I think they were saying like 5%. Like the people who are, the soldiers who are actually doing the killing.


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[Assistant] I don't know how accurate this is or anything, but it was a really interesting analogy that


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[Assistant] You know, if you're a soldier, the assumption is, and you're firing a weapon, you're actually trying to kill somebody.


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[Assistant] But the truth is, is most of them are not trying to, and it could be this very similar with fighters, is that just because you're in a fight and you're throwing punches and you feel endangered,


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[Assistant] Well, if you do it well, if you do it well, I suspect that much like this military example, a lot of fighters aren't, don't have that intent.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I mean, okay, there's all kinds of fighters and there's all kinds of motivations, but what Hippie's visit was, what was so interesting about it, and there's some video of his instruction,


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[Assistant] We're aware of it, you've been aware of it, you've tried to incorporate it. What do you wanna do to like, feast on this dimension? Like, make this a, like if Hippie sees you in a year, he's like, yeah, I told her and she did it. Like, what do you, how do you wanna like, incorporate this? Is it just, we already said it's not willpower.


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[Assistant] Well what is it? It's not just gonna happen, right? How do you make it happen? Without it being willpower.


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[Assistant] I always return to like hip hop or something, but if you're like trying to rap like Biggie, you have to have those punctuated beats. You can't just say the words that he uses. You have to kind of like, uh, embody.


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[Assistant] Like if you're gonna do those techniques, you have to embody the fighter, you have to have the music of them, right?


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[Assistant] It might start that way or you imitate the violence of Namsagnoi or Karaha. Like they all have their punctuated element.


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[Assistant] It also goes back to a really interesting thing. I mentioned this one, Hippie, explain this to you.


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[Assistant] When, we always tell the origin story of Sylvie and it being the movie Ong Bak.


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[Assistant] And one of the things you said was, every...


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[Assistant] Every move can end the fight. Is intended to end the fight. Is intended to end the fight. And this was Tony Jaa doing his brawn stuff.


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[Assistant] But you had an original passion, like a...


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[Assistant] A pleasure in watching Muay Thai, where you're like, he's trying to end the fight, he's not trying to win the fight. It's like, the fight is over. And...


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[Assistant] It's very easy when then actually doing real Muay Thai to just get lost in techniques and doing it well and point fighting and not making a mistake and


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[Assistant] It's like, let's get back to the original thought which is, I'm ending this fight.


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[Assistant] She takes the fight on a pride personal level in a very like, uh, interesting way. Like, in the final round of that fight, she was just trying to cut you.


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[Assistant] To just cut you, and it's just, but it has that dimension of like,


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[Assistant] You know, you took my pride. This is the cost of it in a weird way.


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[Assistant] Like, this is gonna have a very serious dimension of it. And I'm like, I'd also...


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[Assistant] You've also had this message also every time you train with, uh, run into General Tumulkan, who teaches a military form of Muay Thai, which also is designed to end the fight at every strike, or


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[Assistant] But General Tumulcum, when he sees you, he's watched your fights. And he's like, Sylvie!


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[Assistant] Elbow like this. This, this thing, this move. There's no recovery. There's no, he's like.


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[Assistant] He's basically saying that Elle, was her name Ellie, be a little bit like me.


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[Assistant] And then you have to train it, like it's, it's very difficult to stretch yourself far enough along the spectrum.


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[Assistant] Emotionally, right? And then weave it into your personal expression and style.


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[Assistant] That's so cool. Cause you, when you are drawn to something, an art,


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[Assistant] And it speaks to you. It might be speaking to a buried part of you. Like a part that doesn't get full expression and all you know is that you have a moth flame feeling and learning the art then suddenly, uh, gives permission and body.


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[Assistant] Flesh and bones to something that might have only been just a passing, like it might have been kept down quite a bit.


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[Assistant] Well, I wonder, because I watch his fights, he does not have a super punctuated, violent, like, like Rambaugh does. And all, and he teaches it to his kids. But what happens with these legends is you see that after they stop fighting, their moi continues in their head.


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[Assistant] And it might even be something that they themselves didn't fully embody in their career, but as the story of their career and their moe develops in their head for decades, they purify it and intensify it.


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[Assistant] We get that with Diesel Noi. Like, uhm, Diesel Noi is like, don't bring your weapons out!


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[Assistant] The, the thing that he was, that he's like, you have to do it this way, and it's interesting because Kronzak was saying, uh, that he had a draw with, uhm, Diesel Noy, he felt like he actually beat him, and then Diesel Noy like owned him in the next fight, and he's like,


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[Assistant] That, that was, I think, DiZonoi's last fight, but it could be, like, that was part of the sea, the sand that became the pearl for DiZonoi, is that...


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[Assistant] Uh, next, we always try to do one technique, uh, segment. Uh, there was a little bit on technique just when we're talking about hippie and building in violence. But we try to focus on something technical that Sylvie's been working on. And we have a nice...


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[Assistant] Actually, this is a loose thing, so we have to make sure that's stable.


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[Assistant] Maybe start, uh, with Nung, with Nung. Okay. We just did put up a Muay Thai library session with Nung, who's Napa Pong.


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[Assistant] So basically you're, you're diving in with your head and your hand at simultaneously and the hand leaves the head late.


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[Assistant] Forward on a step to your front leg and you're bending that leg.


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[Assistant] So everything is calming forward and your head kind of goes offline.


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[Assistant] And as a fighter, you want to recognize when you see or feel a technique and you have a natural proclivity to it, you can think it's cool, or you just, your body wants to move like that.


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[Assistant] That, uh, you like. Like, on some level.


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[Assistant] You actually are not leaving your ass back.


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[Assistant] But when your head comes forward, your ass necessarily is not as forward as your head.


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[Assistant] Let me slow down before we go to the next technique because I don't want to leave hands yet. One of the things that...


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[Assistant] Sorry, baby. You have a drinking problem. Like that reference?


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, one of the things that maybe not a lot of people know about you as a fighter, is that when you were just a baby little fighter, you were hands heavy before you were a clinch fighter.


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[Assistant] Like, people have unnatural, or some people have unnatural power in their hands, and your right hand does a fucking cannon.


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[Assistant] Naturally, like when you hit the pad, it's exploding. You're a 100 pound fighter. You have, you hit way above your weight. But...


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[Assistant] Your entire history and your development is a fighter.


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[Assistant] One of the difficulties as developing as a fighter was you had ungodly right hand power, so anybody holding pads for you would be like, that's your fucking thing, that's amazing, and they'd compliment you on it, and then you wouldn't have it in a fight.


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[Assistant] And it made you feel bad about yourself. Like sometimes being comp- like having a supposed strength


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[Assistant] And then it doesn't show or you don't do it well under pressure.


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[Assistant] But you, and it's such a, in the long story, it's such a shame because natural power, like heavy,


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[Assistant] Punching above your weight is a gift. Like they almost can't really be taught. Like it's, it's all the little pieces of the body linking up together in very subtle ways. And when you have heavy hands,


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[Assistant] You have advantages over so many other students that you can't even be instructed to have heavy hands. So that's a long context of this, is that you kind of gave up on your right hand power.


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[Assistant] You also broke your hand four, uh, four years ago or so, right when you had just knocked out somebody with a right hand, and it just like, that stopped that development. And so this has been a very long delayed


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[Assistant] Development of something that you actually are quite natural with, naturally blessed with.


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[Assistant] And what's so interesting about it is Nung's, like you described it, Nung's technique is a very heavy hand technique.


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[Assistant] Because the way he brings the body weight and then the relaxed nature of his hand, like he literally punches with loose fingers.


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[Assistant] We're at, you're moving in the direction of a technique with Nung that adds heaviness to your hands and you're already blessed with heaviness in your hands.


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[Assistant] So this is a really interesting development in that you could be reclaiming an underdeveloped pathway.


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[Assistant] Take your time because that's what the Muay Thai Bones is about. We take our time with stuff.


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[Assistant] Oh boy, so like, bossy bossy, I don't-


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[Assistant] Rites? That was you just like tracking down like a tiger with a right hand like


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[Assistant] A really hand-heavy person, at a time of pretty big intensity.


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[Assistant] I was very like, uhm, I dunno, I was very impressed, like, it's cool to see you have this liberty about it.


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[Assistant] You've been training with Tanadett and Clinch. We're also gonna see about having you keep returning to, uhm, Nung and keep, like, like, train with him an hour.


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[Assistant] Go back to the gym, work on it, Sylvie version, not Nung version, Sylvie's version.


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[Assistant] That's kind of what's happening here with this cross, which is kind of interesting. And in the story of this whole thing, you broke your hand, you fractured your wrist. I don't know, how long ago was that?


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[Assistant] Is that only six days ago? Yeah, so while you're working on your right cross, uh, you actually have a small, you probably have a hairline fracture in your wrist, which is actually making you get even more in the groove, uh, in the technique.


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[Assistant] Right? Because if you throw the hand wrong, you could seriously, you could


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[Assistant] Fracture that in a more extraordinary way. Why are you laughing so much?


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[Assistant] Issue of experience because there is a, as you say in the article, you might have changed your mind, you wrote it many years ago, uh, you're like, there is a point


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[Assistant] When you have really beat up shins where you should not kick on it, you quote Gansok.


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[Assistant] You just don't kick on it. And I think in the story you were like, well I hadn't been kicking on it, right? And it still was sore. And you had just reached this point where you're like, I've given it enough of a break.


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[Assistant] Now I'm just gonna kick through it. And this is just a question of experience of knowing your body. You're knowing when you're gonna ruin something and when you're gonna tough it in something.


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[Assistant] And the weirdest thing is, I don't know how weird it is, but you're actually punching more than ever. It fights.


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[Assistant] Is that when you originally broke this four years ago or so, uhm,


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[Assistant] It took about six months to heal, which probably meant you re-broke it a few times. Yes.


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[Assistant] You just said, just said it back. So.


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[Assistant] Not a doctor. And we don't need advice either. Uh, but, if you take this path, it could involve longer healing times.


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[Assistant] Like your, your wrist or hand might be fucked up for the next six or eight months. Whereas if you'd cast it, it would probably be like six weeks, eight weeks.


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay, so now we did this whole, like, what is that, detour.


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[Assistant] Nung's diving, like he has this really interesting dive where he's like bringing his chest forward and his head forward.


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[Assistant] As Sylvie was saying, Sylvie also trains long clinch with Tanadette. He's in the library. It's the most amazing clinch style that we've ever run into. It's incredible. And she's been trying to incorporate it for a long time now and always admired him. He has a clinch entry.


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[Assistant] That's remarkably similar to the chest and head movement.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, that it's like a, well he's an orthodox fighter and Sylvie generally grabs with her lead arm, which is very, kind of common as a clinch fighter. She has a problem in that she grabs with the lead arm and then she often will turn away and overturn and get out of position, like her grab is a little too over rotated. Something she's worked with for a long time.


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[Assistant] He's a big Moen Cal fighter. He almost throws a right cross with his head coming off line to the opposite shoulder.


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[Assistant] But instead he makes it a clinch grab to the neck, instead of an actual cross. And it's remarkably similar to what Nung's cross looks like.


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[Assistant] And what's cool about it is because you're coming with your back arm, you're squaring up. You're not going to over-rotate on your grab. So it counters a problem you can have if you're using your lead arm.


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[Assistant] And you're taking your head offline. So when you're, when you're entering as an orthodox fighter against an orthodox fighter, you are susceptible to possible lead elbows.


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[Assistant] By him bringing his head forward and offline into the collarbone, he is kind of, normally you would like, cover, right?


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[Assistant] For the elbow, but instead he reaches across and he hides behind his arm.


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[Assistant] I've see- I'm now seeing you do this. I think you've done it in fights now. I see you do it when you're training.


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[Assistant] It's really weirdly natural to you to do this. And you spent some time in Southpaw, so that might have helped. You spent a year fighting in Southpaw.


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[Assistant] I'm interested in this, like, weird coincidence that this general, like, diving across your body, uhm...


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[Assistant] It is similar. Matter of fact, that whole chest forward movement that Nguyen uses reminds me of Karajat's relationship of his, he has a rising check.


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[Assistant] Also, what is kind of interesting about this is, uh,


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[Assistant] I don't want to characterize it only as a weakness.


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[Assistant] But, as an orthodox fighter, your lead foot, right, is, is kind of in the hole.


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[Assistant] Against another orthodox fighter. Like there's nothing in front of it, really.


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[Assistant] Stepping forward with that leg? For a kick?


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[Assistant] Or for a cross has long been very difficult. Yes. Like everyone is like, step Sylvie, step, step, for whatever reason.


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[Assistant] True Thailand, uh, who's in the Muay Thai library, definitely check. He is such a beautiful Muay, but he is like step on every single strike. There's no strike where you do not take a step.


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[Assistant] This is the thing, is like, this is something you've been at war with yourself for a very long time, uh, where you're, we always say, not, it's not willpower. You've told yourself, step, Sylvie, step, a million times, it doesn't help. It makes it worse.


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[Assistant] There is something about this diet.


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[Assistant] Whether it's Car Hot, I mean, whether it's Tom Liddett's clinch entry or it's, uhm, Nung's Cross.


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[Assistant] But not everyone can respond to the same trick.


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[Assistant] But I don't want people to think we're like, you have to lean back on your kick because if you tell some people to lean back on the kick, they're not going to engage their hips. Everything will be wrong.


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[Assistant] Honestly, you should not be leaning back on your kick, but the way that Master K was teaching it was lean back so your hips come forward.


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[Assistant] Or connect your hand to your head. Yeaah. And for some reason, Nung Antonadette


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[Assistant] Which is amazing, because you've tried to force yourself to do it and you can't.


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[Assistant] But, this is the cool thing, and this is, I'll say this, because Sylvie can't.


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[Assistant] There is no person alive that has been exposed to more high level Muay Thai instruction and


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[Assistant] Theoretical conception, then silly. No tie, and no westerner. Because...


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[Assistant] The encyclopedia, the broad spectrum of techniques that she's been exposed to, like 20 ways of kneeing, 17 ways of elbowing, that her brain is able to


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[Assistant] To match up similarities of components of technique that appear unrelated.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Tanadet's, uh, clinch grab and Nung's cross that also is somewhat in the family of Namsak Noi and Karahat's dip in.


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[Assistant] And you would never have come upon that family resemblance without being exposed to a hundred other techniques so that they all, they stand out from each other.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, I don't know, this is an exciting thing, if you watch Sylvia's fights, it's something you'd prefer to watch her develop. Uhm, it's just starting now. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I really like that tonnadette dive in though. You were doing it with him, you were training with him yesterday, was it?


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[Assistant] And what's so nice is it solves that lead elbow thing, that whole like, some of these girls are waiting with their lead elbow. And if you just pull that head like this, and you're crashing in, either with the grab or the cross, there's nothing to hit. It's very protected.


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[Assistant] What we do, her diet is what we call 1 plus 1 keto, which is pretty hardcore keto.


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[Assistant] And fasting every other day, and she's been doing the fast, the OnePlus One part since January, so this is like 9 months in to 10 months in. 10 months in. This is crazy.


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[Assistant] We're just gonna take a little like slice off of this and one of the most interesting things about


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[Assistant] This fasting every other day AND keto is...


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[Assistant] The days fasting often are better in terms of energy, which nobody believes.


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[Assistant] And Sylvie has fought fasted because it's every other day, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you were actually fighting more than 50% of your fights. It was really weird. There was like 8 fights in a row, you fought fasted or something like that.


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[Assistant] So crazy, because you're a cardio monster. Like, you fight in a, like, I'm gonna burn my opponent out way.


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[Assistant] For people, there is alternate day fasting.


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[Assistant] Uh, alter- there's, uh, window eating.


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[Assistant] What's really important about the example that Sylvie's had?


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[Assistant] Is, she was hard, she's hardcore keto. And the reason why that's really important


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[Assistant] Is that, when you're keto, and she was keto before she even started 1 plus 1 keto,


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[Assistant] No, because your body on the day you fast, if you're, if you eat carbs, let's say you eat rice and clean, you eat clean, like a vegan diet or something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but when you fast that next day, your body is going to be looking for sugar and it can experience an energy drop.


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[Assistant] The reason why there's no energy drop for you is because your body is, you've got, as the saying, as they say, your body carries 30,000 calories around minimum with it at all times.


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[Assistant] So when, on the day that Sylvie's not eating, the gas tank has just switched over to, okay, now I just.


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[Assistant] Eat the calories that are already in the body. So you're actually, you're fasting in terms of putting food in, but your body is full of fuel.


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[Assistant] And it probably, because you train fasted every other day and you train very hard, it's probably quite, becoming quite efficient at converting energy under like very adverse, uh, uh, circumstances. Yeah. Uh, way beyond what you'd experience.


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[Assistant] If, I don't think keto is for everyone, but it might be for people whose ancestors have passed through famine, or had to get through hard times when food wasn't readily available, or is feasting famine. But if you think about it, like just animal states, when an animal hasn't eaten for a while,


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[Assistant] All, it's all men on board when, like, you either have to make sure you're not prey, or that you can catch prey. Like, that's when you need to eat.


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[Assistant] You need to survive. And I have a feeling that when you trigger, that when you're fasting regularly, you are triggering...


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[Assistant] I have a feeling those kind of like triggers, those ancient triggers, are even further, uh, sharpened.


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[Assistant] Well, it might be if you're taking it like eating a lot of sugar, like quick burning fuels. There could be like ups and downs.


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[Assistant] That you've gotten to the point that you actually like, I'd rather fight faster, like,


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[Assistant] It's not just that you're okay now, you're like, I feel slightly optimized. I don't know, it's an interesting development. So we're talking about nutrition a little bit, not a big theme, but another thing


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[Assistant] Change of subject, but in the nutrition realm, another thing that we've, uh, everything good? Uh, started doing is taking gelatin.


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[Assistant] Right? Uh, Sylvie's put collagen in her coffee before as a stretch, but just in general, we're experimenting, both of us, with taking gelatin, now it's yak.


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[Assistant] In Bangkok, uh, we both take it differently. I put mine in heavy cream for 40 minutes and it makes like a cream of wheat kind of cereal thing. Gelatin, there's no...


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[Assistant] It's so good. It's so good. I put chocolate, I put unsweetened chocolate powder, heavy cream.


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[Assistant] And two tablespoons of, uh, yak bone gelatine, and just, aw, it's so good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just like that. And it, uh, and a couple drops of monk fruit, but I don't want it too sweet.


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[Assistant] But anyways, that's how I do it. You make a jello. You put the gelatin in with hot water, cold water.


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[Assistant] It has beads in it. And uhm, the reason for the lemon juice, besides having in this nice flavor, is that you need to take vitamin C with your gelatin or collagen, because that helps your body use it, makes it more bioavailable. But, this is the, the interesting component of it, is


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[Assistant] One reason why we wanted you to take gelatin was to make sure that you're feeding your tendons and ligaments, making sure that all the connective tissue is strong because you put so much wear and tear.


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[Assistant] On your body, through your training and your fighting.


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[Assistant] And, it seems like a really good idea. On this diet, like.


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[Assistant] When you're, there's another dimension of this is when you're taking gelatin, you're kind of participating in the part of the primal diet, which is like eating cartilaginous


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[Assistant] Stuff that would be if you were eating an animal, right, like a bone or skin or connective tissue.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's that whole thing that there's pieces of the animal that are not just the like meat and that the body gets.


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[Assistant] Basically, the material by which connective tissue is fashion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we had a little technical difficulty as it happened. Jesus, that just sounded like it was like digitized. Uhm, so we're not sure how much we lost of the last little bit. Uhm, might have been a couple minutes, maybe more. So I'm just gonna go right back to the last break that we had, which was, we started talking about how


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's scientific evidence that female athletes, at the time of their, uhm, cycle when estrogen is rising, their ligaments, their tendons, I believe,


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[Assistant] Track athletes, like high level track female athletes, often when they go into track season, when they're really training hard and competing a lot, will, uhm, take birth control to keep the estrogen down. Uhm, and we were saying that, uh,


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[Assistant] Maybe out of sheer coincidence or maybe there's some kind of dimension to this.


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[Assistant] Three western female fighters, very serious female fighters, had, uh, freak knee injury, uh,


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[Assistant] We're not saying this was because of that female athletes can be prone to knee injury during when estrogen is high, but it could be. And part of taking collagen or gelatin


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[Assistant] There's, uh, I went googling around, there is a, uhm,


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[Assistant] There's a theoretical basis by which taking collagen or gelatin could improve, uhm, the resilience of ligaments and tendons. Uhm, and if there is this weakness in


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[Assistant] Female athletes. It makes sense to...


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[Assistant] It's like preventive, right? The supplement, right?


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[Assistant] I don't know, you've been, you've had really healthy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I'm not sure that that balances out or not, like, uhm.


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[Assistant] But it's something I've never heard discussed. Like women come from all over the world with great ambition to train hard, fight hard in Thailand. Many come for a year or more. You come to a new culture, your diet is changing, right? Because you're just in another food set. And


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's kind of like uhm, it's something that one should think about.


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[Assistant] The bricks to build the material, the connective tissue, which...


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[Assistant] Seems like it would be a pretty good thing. I don't know if there's ever any drawbacks to it. There are other, if you're not gonna be like, I'm gonna get some yak bones.


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[Assistant] Keto stuff. There are other sources of, uh, gelatin and collagen. What would some of those be? Uh, there's bone soup, right?


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[Assistant] Well, most, I'm talking about for people in Thailand visiting. Like most people don't have even a hot stove.


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[Assistant] Which is a little bit of an intense thing, but isn't there like bone soup too? Like the Chinese soups that you get?


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[Assistant] At the store, isn't that the same? Even though it's sugar, it's usually sugar free stuff, but that too can be a source, right?


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[Assistant] Sometimes, yeaah, it's like eating popcorn seeds, like the part that didn't pop.


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[Assistant] No, but you'd be like watching a VHS, like a tape, and you're having your popcorn. Yeah, totally. And you're like, I don't want to get up and get more popcorn, right? And then you got the salt at the bottom. That's not a fond memory of you? What would you do? Just put the bowl down? You'd be like, Shane, get me more popcorn.


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[Assistant] Techno malfunction. We get these on these long things. We're still perfecting the multi-bones, like, uh, setup. Uh, but we decided to keep what that segment and the ones that followed just because the conversation was so good. Uhm.


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[Assistant] No, no. So, uh, we apologize. I tried to, like, uh, play with the volume levels, like, Sylvie's, uh, voice is basically coming through my mic, so I had to jump her little voice up and down.


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[Assistant] We did this in the last, this was also in the last Muay Thai Bones with the sun at this hour just like shooting through the car and green everywhere in like a mountain, in a valley. Uhm, so we're gonna,


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[Assistant] I don't, we're not, this is not gonna be a regular feature of like, movie reviews. But we have done movie stuff before, right?


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[Assistant] We did Captain No, but Captain Marvel we did in a podcast.


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[Assistant] We watched two documentaries, uhm, partly because Simon Alvaney is here shooting for a possible preliminary documentary, a full length documentary for Sylvie. Uhm, but one of these we watched before he even came.


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[Assistant] Yes, good point. Which is a gorgeous film. Uh, definitely go see that. It's on our YouTube channel with Thai subtitles.


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[Assistant] The two movies that we watched were Free Solo, right?


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[Assistant] And, which is about Alex Humboldt, I think his name is.


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[Assistant] Alex. I remember Alex for sure. And then the Don Wall. And they're both, uh, free-climbing documentaries, right? Maybe you need to help me on this.


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[Assistant] Right. And they're both climbing, uh, I think, uh, Dawn Wall was made in 2017 and, uh, Free Solo I think came out this year.


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[Assistant] Well, Alex is climbing an easier route, but he has no rope so that if he slips one time, he dies, literally.


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[Assistant] And the other guys are much more, uh, much more difficult, one of the most difficult climbs in the world, but they have ropes that catch them if they fall, and they fall a lot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. So uhm, both of these are like incredible, like physical, mental feats. And part of the reason why we watch these documentaries is there is no documentary


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[Assistant] And because you're, we just were discussing 250 fights, because you're really kind of like on your own plateau of experiences in terms of numbers of fights and the kinds of things you're aiming for,


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[Assistant] You have to draw inspiration from other extreme people.


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[Assistant] This is really interesting because I don't do the training, right? I'm not in Sylvie's experience. So I'm sitting there watching and we don't want to like, in this movie this happens, in this movie that happens. It's not really a film review.


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[Assistant] I'm watch- I'm watching this and I'm feeling a great sense of connection where I'm like, oh, these people are just pushing themselves in so many ways. Physical, technical, emotional, almost spiritual. And I'm like, wow, this is very similar to what Sylvie- what I see in Sylvie. And then...


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[Assistant] It's another level for me to hear from you. Yeah, this is exactly...


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[Assistant] What this is. Like, I can guess that might be like that, but you are, you're telling me...


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[Assistant] You're like, this is right exactly on it. And what, what is that?


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[Assistant] What are we talking about? Like, in Dawnwall his fingers were bleeding and he's like...


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[Assistant] They made a big point that he's like trying to grab this like, they literally say like razor blades. It's like a little tiny...


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[Assistant] Previce of an edge of a rock that he's trying to jump to.


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[Assistant] With this little tiny thing. And he's like, missing it, missing it, and his fingers are bleeding and he literally takes days off in a hanging tent on the wall so his fingers are healed just enough so he can do it.


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[Assistant] Aspects of these things where you're like, yes, that's exactly what I'm doing.


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[Assistant] Although there was that one scene where they were like practicing the run and he's like, I think my rib popped out and he's like, he just goes into the emergency room and they pop it back in and he's like back on the mountain. That's very similar to what you do.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I love that baby, this can be done. Fuck.


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[Assistant] Well, let's open that up a little bit. What do you mean, like you, you said Muay Thai is in millimeters and you've said it before with, uh, Yoko Kwan's, like, pressure attack.


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[Assistant] But the millimeters you're talking about are almost like skin, the millimeters that take the skin off of your fingers. Like, what are, what do you mean Muay Thai is in millimeters? In the same way that mountain climbing is in millimeters? Or is it not the same?


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[Assistant] So let's keep going with this. Uhm, it reminds me of, uhm,


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[Assistant] That there's so much satisfaction in millimeters.


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[Assistant] Like you, you want the big things like the win or the beautiful knee or whatever it is. But in that movie, when he's like searching for...


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[Assistant] Uhm, in that movie there was like a really cool part where he's, where they're undergoing like him searching for the path. Which is basically this incredibly sheer rock face where you, anyone who looks at it, even knowledgeable people who look at it, they're like, there is no path. There is no way forward.


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[Assistant] And so there's no, there's no path, but he looks and looks and looks at that. He studies that wall. He repels down to the wall. He, uh, brings a buddy.


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[Assistant] It's like, yeaah. But these are, they're looking for tiny cracks, like patterns of cracks in the wall, where, which would be a way up.


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[Assistant] And there's so much satisfaction for them to find the cracks.


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[Assistant] That are the path. And there's a beautiful part in the scene, in the movie, where he's like, looked at this path so many ways and they figured out the only way forward is this like, one particular crazy way, and suddenly he's like, and he's doing the climb, and he's like, nope, there's this whole other way.


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[Assistant] Like, he sees the rocks that he's studied so many times differently.


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[Assistant] You're looking at that rock face finding these paths and then suddenly a whole path opens up.


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[Assistant] That's a really beautiful analogy. I'm so happy we had this converse, this discussion about it because I don't think I'd quite see it the same way.


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[Assistant] For everyone who's not close to what Sylvie's doing, yeaah, it's amazing.


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[Assistant] To fight so often and whatever achievements, right? Any achievements.


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[Assistant] They're incredible, right? And you can argue about them this way or whatever. The little things like...


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[Assistant] How to respond to continuous differing injuries. Uhm, negotiating Thai culture.


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[Assistant] Roadblocks. Which are very subtle and hard to read. Like, they're not easy.


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[Assistant] To continually be respectful to people, but also get, get freedom.


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[Assistant] To push yourself, to like remind yourself, yeaah, being this exhausted isn't something that's wrong.


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[Assistant] This is normal. I just forget that every week I feel this way.


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[Assistant] Negotiating those kinds of things is just like this guy on a dawn wall finding all those little cracks up that wall. And when you're saying nobody's around to like tell me how you do this,


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[Assistant] You're doing the same thing that that guy did, and he's trying to find these, like, the way the cracks have to go so he can wedge his fingers in them. Sometimes you're like passing through very, uhm, narrow pathways.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm giving you my perspective on it. I didn't just repeat your words. I added details for people that don't live with us. Right? Right, baby?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no one's gonna climb this path, though. But they can climb parts of it.


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[Assistant] It's very beautiful, like, I recommend watching, uh, both of these movies.


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[Assistant] Free solo was kind of interesting in that dimension where you're like, nobody understands me.


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[Assistant] Like, why I fight or why I do this. Uhm.


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[Assistant] It embodied that dimension. He's just a very strange person. And he's totally in his skin. Like he's fine with who he is. And he's fine with people not understanding him.


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[Assistant] And then the other one has the dimension of, like,


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[Assistant] Meru, I think it was, was an incredible, another mountain climbing. It's really interesting that we've taken so much inspiration from mountain climbing because it's not really your thing, although you're from the mountains and from Colorado.


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[Assistant] That verse isn't a movie. I don't think. That was Mayroth. I'm almost positive. And so that was what we would tell ourselves when Sylvie was booking fights. It's like, it was hard, it's hard, there's sometimes hard to find fights. And when you get, when the mountain makes its own weather, you fight those fights.


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[Assistant] So that's the end of this multi-boned segment, uh, uh, we did not get everything we talked about onto video, but we got a lot.


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[Assistant] Most of it. So uhm, thank you everyone who supports us on Patreon. If you're a patron, you get to listen to it in an audio form like on iTunes or an Android based system.


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[Assistant] Or, you can watch it live, watch it on, uh, video on YouTube for free.


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[Assistant] We're calling this Library Coffee Tentatively. Okay?


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[Assistant] The idea of what we're doing now is not a regular Mojtai Bones, uh, episode, but we're bringing the Mojtai Bones concept to our Mojtai library sessions so that we can create iTunes podcast audios.


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[Assistant] Only one dollar a month wedge gets you the podcast and it also gets you like some of the, well, no, the best.


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[Assistant] Uh, Muay Thai content, uh, every month we put up two, about two hours of commentary, um, documenting the Muay Thai library, um,


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[Assistant] The idea is that we're going to take the multi-bones, sorry to get a big introduction on this, we're going to get a multi-bones approach to the library, which means we want to talk about deep, big concepts. You won't even have to watch the library session to get something out of this.


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[Assistant] Part of the audio podcast. So on Patreon, you'll get this audio conversation and the audio of the Muay Thai library. A lot of people told us, we put up a couple audios on SoundCloud a while ago and they were like, I love listening to these.


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[Assistant] sessions on the way to the gym, like to get psyched for the gym, which is really cool. You get the audio of the


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[Assistant] Like go film somebody, then we'll go get a coffee and talk about it. But we want to like extract out the big principles and the big ideas that apply across the board to advanced students, beginning students. It's about the love of


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[Assistant] Podcast. I don't know. I just got struck by like, I'm in the future.


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[Assistant] And what, again a little more intro, I want out of this to give you like the framework


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[Assistant] Non ties. And, uh, there's only a few. So this was an unusual session. So if you're listening to this on the audio, uh, there's gonna be 10 minutes or so of warm up that Sylvia's gonna be talking about. Uhm, but we wanna expand this out to bigger ideas. One of the first things


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[Assistant] I want, I took a note on that, just to set the frame, is that you, you called this, uh, Arjan Net, uh, a Golden Age fighter. To me, he is not anywhere near the Golden Age. He is, to me, what I would call the Silver Age.


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[Assistant] Yes, we want to capture contemporary Muay Thai knowledge. Golden age knowledge for sure because it was the peak of the sport. But when we get a chance to just like, film and talk to the generation before Diesel Noing, like, it feels very rare and that's, it makes my heart pump.


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[Assistant] Because once these people stop teaching, he's 64 years old, he's in fantastic shape, but many people can't teach, really, at this, in that era. And so it's really special to...


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[Assistant] To even record this. Like, he was fighting.


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[Assistant] Who everyone says is, was like Dieselnoi, but before Dieselnoi. So, Dieselnoi had not come, but he was a tall, horrible knee fighter. Horrible in the best possible sense.


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[Assistant] And how did it feel to move around with a Silver Age fighter?


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[Assistant] Like elite level Muay Thai into France very early on and it somehow combined with their love of savate and boxing. And he has that gentlemanly French quality about him, which is really cool to see this kind of intersectional.


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[Assistant] History of Muay Thai in one man. And then, Crongsock, the next generation.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and you'll, you might want to watch those two sessions together.


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[Assistant] Uhm, do you have anything you wanted to start with? Like a big idea that you took from this? The, the... The most powerful idea...


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[Assistant] Can I do a little detour? I just want to say, for the people that use the library, one way you can use it is to steal techniques. Yes.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe we should say that a lot of part of this was he's a southpaw fighter, you moved to southpaw for the session in order so that his style could map onto yours more easily, right? And a large part of what you became aware of in your voiceover is where your right lead foot is stepping.


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[Assistant] And what you needed was to step close.


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[Assistant] Watched it out of context. Or edits or anything.


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[Assistant] Okay, I thought about this too while watching your commentary. I feel like...


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[Assistant] Getting that, but it's more important than mixed stance. Getting that foot close and outside is very, very hard to do. Like, you've known this for years now. Right?


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[Assistant] Like, technically what angle should I do this at? Where should I put my foot on the ground? Like, we- we treat the body like a- like a mannequin where you wanna put everything where it's supposed to be.


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[Assistant] This is a something, this is something everyone suffers from to some degree, especially when you don't learn when you're very young, right? In the Thai way of feel, feel, feel, play, play, play.


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[Assistant] So how does one overcome that? Because it's been a weakness for you to getting that lead foot close. You know it's supposed to be close.


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[Assistant] But knowing it actually doesn't help you, and it might even make it worse. Because then, you're like, damn, I'm not stepping. I'm not stepping. Like, how many years have you been saying that about your right kick? I'm not stepping, you know?


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[Assistant] I think that is the- to get comfortable being uncomfortable. Again, we return to that theme. We've talked about it, right?


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[Assistant] I actually, when watching this again, had connected these two ideas, which is...


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[Assistant] One of the tendencies, if you don't make eye contact, is to look at, to target with your eyes. Right. Especially with an uncomfortable pad holder, like, you don't know your pad holder, he's calling for something, you're like, where's the mitt gonna come up? What am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to throw the hook? Am I supposed to throw the elbow? All these verbal commands and eye targeting is,


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[Assistant] When you look in the eyes and you commit to that, it's a psychological connection and it prevents you from being able to eye target positions either on the floor or where you want to hit.


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[Assistant] And I kind of noticed in that session that you would do eye contact, but then right at the last second when you were supposed to hit the mitt, you would look at the mitt.


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[Assistant] Surrendering to the possibility that you could miss and it's okay.


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[Assistant] When you, if you're like, I need to step on the foot, but I'm not gonna look at the foot.


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[Assistant] To see where I'm stepping. But you're like, I'm gonna look in the eyes and I'm gonna step right at your foot. The two together produces feeling.


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[Assistant] I'm saying, this was brought up in the session too. It's like, when you're watching these legends, right, in the Muay Thai library, in a whole hour, you're not just looking for positions or technical things you can steal.


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[Assistant] In that whole hour, you see all their body language, all their psychology, all their energy.


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[Assistant] And so when you're learning a technique, any technique, you want to find


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[Assistant] How, how does one really say that line? Yeah. Not just how do you say it? It's not to be or not to be.


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[Assistant] You have to have the whole affect of I'm going to shred you and kill you. Or Karahat's step back rubber band movements. When you're watching these sessions, you want to like steal all the music.


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[Assistant] Not just the little lyric, the hook of the song. The phrasing. Yeaah, right? And I feel like, that's a clue to how to bring your Muay Thai to the next level. There's a really, he's no longer with the gym, but Podi.


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[Assistant] At the gym with a little Thai kid. A little pudgy Thai kid.


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[Assistant] When we first came to Petra Rung, and it was probably in our first week or two, I remember, I don't know if you have the same memory, but he was on the bag, and Filippo came by, and uhm, was like, this is Poti, and Poti was like, impersonating in his face, guys he'd seen on video.


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[Assistant] There's a little piece of this getting the foot close, which is interesting, which is the bounce out, which is also in the session where after you complete a elbow or something, the little step back and we all train, you train it on the bag and everyone does this, right? But there's also something about


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[Assistant] Western sensib- bodily sensibilities, where the bounce out is a very natural kind of like...


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[Assistant] Protection instinct. And then with the bounce out is the ass back.


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[Assistant] A little bit. It's almost like they're protecting the groin, because the groin is this... I don't know, there's something western about putting the ass back, that's not Thai.


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[Assistant] They will pop the rest back in order to create differential, but the West, they want to hunch over the, the, the, the, the, the, the Roka Roman wrestlers hunched over, the boxers hunched over.


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[Assistant] But this ass back pop out thing is the enemy of getting your foot close and being close. And how do you train that? Like what's your advice? Because it's something you struggle with yourself. Like all these years you still have some of these body mappings. You can't just scold yourself.


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[Assistant] It'd be like if you were learning manners, you wouldn't learn it in a boxing gym in the Bronx. In a bar? In a bar. Like there's also social class and things. So I think there's something for being polite, but I don't want to get too sidetracked on this polite thing. It's more like,


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[Assistant] Westerners need to learn often how to take up space physically.