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[Assistant] You're going to have your complete quarterback rankings coming up on Wednesdays. The second ever Chris Sims on Button podcast. Second one ever. Uhm, but I want to finish up with the things that you learned in Indy. The quarterback workouts. Were you impressed with how they worked out?


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[Assistant] So they can match an offer, they get a couple first round picks for that.


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[Assistant] A lot of issues that need to be battled in the CBA. Easier said than done. A lot of times with that. So that's pretty much it. That's pretty much our first ever. How'd that feel? It felt good.


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[Assistant] pointing out DK Metcalf's abs. You can see that on YouTube. Subscribe right now. They're rock hard abs. NBC Sports. He did seven minute abs. Uhm, a lot of weird stuff goes onto the combine.


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[Assistant] He reportedly said that in the interview with the Seahawks they did a staring contest.


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[Assistant] The only, well, it's still football season. There's always another prospect to watch. Then the only other sports that I watch are MMA. And then I care about the second division soccer team in England, Aston Villa, who's at the championship level. And I watch them every single Saturday. And that's like where I get my fandom. That's how I know I'm still living, is based on their wins and losses.


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[Assistant] And they're not even good. And I would, I stream, I pay like 20 bucks a month to stream their games every single Saturday. Yes. And then even a couple years ago when they didn't have their games streaming, I would listen to the radio. That's how devoted I am. But yeah, I care about more English championship level soccer than I do baseball. Okay.


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[Assistant] Correct, last week I had Chris on the Rotar World football podcast, there it is, you gotta subscribe. And I need to point out, I don't know if you were going to do this Ahmed, but I've done nearly 300 episodes of the Rotar World football podcast, the only one with the explicit label is one Chris has been on.


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[Assistant] That's how you make a mark right there. Oh yea, the little red mark next to it. I see it now. Yes. Not even joking. Even got tweets from dads driving to work with their children at school saying, hey, can't listen to this episode. Sorry about that. Damn it. Explicit tag. Damn children.


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[Assistant] As they were listening to it. So, you lost me one subscriber. Hopefully we get them back on this episode. Go subscribe to the Road Road Football Podcast.


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[Assistant] Really how I rank these prospects, that if I believe a quarterback is going to be a quality starter,


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[Assistant] All first round caliber grades. That's why Dwayne Haskins is further down the list. I'm sure we'll get to that later. But Caller Murray is absolutely someone, and I love Josh Rosen last year. I get it. And we talked about this on the podcast last week. From a passing quarterback standpoint, I might consider them


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[Assistant] No doubt. Mitch Trubisky's done that, Josh Allen's done that, Carson Wenzel's done that.


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[Assistant] And as much as we talk about Calamari's mobility, it's not like he's a running quarterback. No, exactly right. He uses it as his advantage outside of structure when necessary. And there are even times where he can use it more often.


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[Assistant] And to me, that is the negative with being a mobile quarterback at times, and I'm sure Chris will agree with this, that there are times when, you know, he evades that outside rush and climbs the pocket.


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[Assistant] And as he's moving forward, he does keep his eyes up. Yeaah. But he takes the run for a seven yard gain. Right. Instead of hitting that open receiver at the last moment. And you know, more of a statuesque quarterback like a Josh Rosen might do that. But with Kyler, look, you're still gaining seven yards. And he's taking a lot more than that too.


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[Assistant] And it's not just the short passes, it's not just the intermediate passes. He loves to go deep. He loves to throw down.


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[Assistant] He is 6'2", 287 pounds. We've seen players at that size, maybe a little bit heavier come to the league.


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[Assistant] And honestly, be a bit overlooked. I mean, your Aaron Donald dropped behind Greg Robinson. I get you. Uhm, you had Mike Daniels entering the league from Iowa at that weight. Geno Atkins. Sure. Grady Jarrett. I mean, I can't even throw him Puna Ford from last year from Texas. Yeah. Unjected for agent as a fantastic Seattle Seahawks. Right. To me,


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[Assistant] You can't really match up his first and second step with anyone else in this class. He instantly wants to play in the opponent's back.


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[Assistant] And I understand maybe if he takes on double teams, that that's not going to be his game. But in terms of creating disruption, you can play the run on the way to the pass. And there are so few players in the league now that you can say,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna line you up and I can potentially help you and let you win in one on one situations. Those are a few and far between and we're seeing teams now manufacture pressure more than ever. No doubt. Aaron Donald can do that and he just moves differently.


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[Assistant] He has bend, he has flexibility on the interior spot. Where some of those guards and tackles are so stationary and wrestlers in some ways.


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[Assistant] And just the way he can attack the backfield and play in the backfield. It's absolutely incredible. It's fun to watch.


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[Assistant] Melvin Ingram is an interesting one because he barely played at South Carolina until his final season. He was even like a returner in some instances. And he played defensive attack with South Carolina. It was even smaller, like 260, 270. I think it was. And then moved out to the edge. I've even seen some people mention like a Teddy Bruski type role here where you move him from defensive attack with a linebacker.


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[Assistant] Do you really want to move a player that is so successful close to the football, further away from the football?


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[Assistant] We all have biases, okay, when we evaluate. Like there are certain parts that really stand out whenever we're watching any type of prospect. For me, it's interior defensive linemen that can bend and have flexibility and what they do best is they react to surprise movements in front of them. So what at Oliver is so good, he can shoot gaps.


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[Assistant] That's not at Oliver. It makes my heart flutter when I see this. Like I just love this stuff. That's okay. And, and, and to me again, interior disruption is king. And I understand they don't even have 13 and a half sacks. And you talked about this yesterday, but to me, disruption is production and he can offer that at any level.


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[Assistant] So, to me, Drew, Drew Lachius isn't my type. Okay. And I, I think that we can see the same thing and value it differently.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with Drew Locke, to me, and it's, I can't believe I'm telling a quarterback how I view quarterbacks. Don't worry, it's not a big deal. It doesn't mean anything. Uhm, I have difficulty when


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[Assistant] Don't know what you're gonna get from a quarterback in the face of pressure. Sure. In the face of disruption. Right. I don't know if really with quarterbacks you can, one, fix your throwing motion, not saying that's an issue for Drew Locke. Right. But two, their footwork and their reaction to pressure. Sure. And far too often with me with Drew Locke when he was facing


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[Assistant] And we'll get to that. Because he's got great catches, but he does have too many concerning drops. So Daniel Jeremiah doesn't have Hakeem Butler in his top 50. My friend Dane Bruegler of the Athletic has him at number 60 over a Lance Zerline who writes the reports of NFL.com. Has him as his wide receiver 13. So like I'm going out on a big limb here with Hakeem Butler.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what I love about Akeem Butler, and it's funny because whereas with Drew Locke, we kind of saw the same thing, valued it differently, I think we're seeing very different prospects.


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[Assistant] He did often, to me, face press coverage.


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[Assistant] Often face press coverage and had to use a variety of releases to get past that. Now he's a massive target. I mean he's 6'5", 227 pounds. We haven't seen that many successful receivers lately with that type of frame.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and what I loved also about him was that he lined up on the left side. He lined up on the right side. He lined up in the left slot. He lined up in the right slot. He attacked short, immediate, and vertical. And really, he was the best vertical receiver in this draft class last year. Had the most receiving yards on 20 plus yard passes in this class.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, and the body control, I'm not gonna say he's AJ Green. I'm not gonna say he's AJ Green, but he gives me AJ Green vibes. Just with that size.


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[Assistant] And along the sideline. Right. And, I mean, Justin Keen Butler, to me, is, if we're looking for wide receiver ones, then that term gets thrown around a lot. Yeah. He has that potential. Okay. I disagree with you totally. I know you do. I know you do. Now, can we actually compare him? Because I think this would be a fun exercise.


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[Assistant] I mean with like DK Metcalf, because to me, DK Metcalf is a complete projection. No doubt about it. Because at Ole Miss, DK Metcalf only played on one side of the field. He only played on the left side. All of his routes were run on a vertical plane. It was go routes, comebacks.


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[Assistant] And also there wasn't a lot of production. So to me, when I'm looking at that type of player, that's a complete projection to me because I don't know, since he was able just to stand on one side of the formation, he was able to master those releases. He was able to master that footwork. And that scares me a little bit compared to Butler where I know he can win throughout.


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[Assistant] You know what, I don't know if I have watched the Iowa game. Fourth and one in the third quarter. Right. He runs a whip route. Right. And sinks his hips. Sure. Is able to create separation just super close to the line of scrimmage. And again, you don't see these 6'5", 225 plus pound receivers do that.


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[Assistant] Kevin White, Devonte Parker, Calvin Benjamin. Like these are all big receivers that we're hoping to imitate. You know, your Julio Jones, your AJ Green, your Mike Evans. And they've, a lot of them have failed. Yes. And in this class, I bet we get three or four that really succeed.


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[Assistant] And honestly, that's part of it because I think it's this bias that we all have that when a player drops it, usually it's a big play that doesn't come into fruition.


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[Assistant] That those stick out, those moments stick out in our head. It's kind of like long runs for the running backs, even though that's only equals, you know, five to six percent of a running backs, um, full workload, full carries.


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[Assistant] He had, Keem Butler has a lot of drops. 16% this year in terms of on-target passes.


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[Assistant] Yes, and so I'm, I'm doing my best. Well, one, he also makes up for uncatchable balls because this catch is crazy.


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[Assistant] But I'm doing my best and I think it was 12 drops on the season. I don't want those like 12, you know, spotlight plays. It's really veiled and impacted an entire evaluation. I understand it's going to be an issue, but I think the team that drafts him knows it's going to be an issue. Definitely. So they're not going to bench him just because he drops a couple passes. It's going to be a little work in progress there on that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because we talk about average depth of target. What that means is where a player is targeted, how far they are down the field.


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[Assistant] Hakeem Butler, who we just talked about, is 15 yards down the field. Right. Paris Campbell is four and a half yards. Right. All he did.


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[Assistant] I mean, I would say 80% of the routes that he had, if it was zone coverage out of the slot, he'd run a drag and sit in open space between the safety or the linebacker, whoever it is, and that's about five yards down the line of scrimmage. It was man coverage. He just continues to run as fast as everyone else, creates that instant separation, and then with the ball in his hands, runs along the side.


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[Assistant] And I think this is an important point, that a wide receiver is not a wide receiver is not a wide receiver. In that,


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[Assistant] I mean, being in the slot is very different than playing outside because the slot just gives you affordable space in the middle that you can sit in or run versus man. With Paris Campbell, I believe he's what, like a hundred and how many pounds? Let's look.


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[Assistant] Uh, okay. He's 205 pounds. Right. Okay. Right. There are other receivers that were at the NFL Combine that were 180 pounds. So comparing those to D.K. Metcalf, comparing those to Keane Butler is difficult because there's a 40, 50 pound weight difference in those.


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[Assistant] And I do think we see it differently. You're just more comfortable with that projection.


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[Assistant] But like, I feel like I can find that, if I want to find that.


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[Assistant] We're probably, and Chris can answer this better, probably in a lot of private workouts that you get to ask them, because these guys, as we talked about with Ole Miss, as we talked about with Paris, Cambridge, Ohio State, they might run three routes. And so hopefully in those private workouts, maybe at the combine, whatever, you get to see at least if they're comfortable in these scenarios from the left or the right side. Yes, right.


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[Assistant] So it's a different package that he's coming in. Uh, Chris, I went back, I guess a couple weeks ago and I watched your top five at the position. And a lot of times you talked about, you know, good running backs.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I can do it on yours, I know that. Uh, Devon Singletary, I mean, there was so much interior disruption that he had to deal with, like I talked about with Ed Oliver, that he was able to make the first person miss constantly. Now, some of those runs might only end up being a three or four yard run. But,


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[Assistant] It changes from a negative three yard run into a four yard gain. That's a difference. The hidden yards is seven there, right? Uhm, now he might not have the long speed to reel off these 20 plus yard runs.


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[Assistant] And we know Oklahoma's pretty good at football. Right. And so being able to do that against that competition and then create a big game is he reminds me of Frank Gore. I'll throw it out there. It reminds me a lot of Frank Gore's game. And I'm not saying he's, you know, the perfect prospect. I don't think this running back class is very good.


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[Assistant] He doesn't. To me, he's a foundation back type player in a passing game back size. I think so. And that's the difficulty of it. And speaking of Draw 100, so quickly after this random comparison to you, it reminds me of Willie Parker.


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[Assistant] It's so funny when you see these like draft room cameras during draft weekend because all of them, I mean, they're full, they're packed to the gills with every single scout, every single assistant, whoever people putting, I mean, I was in the Rams draft room when I was just an intern one


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[Assistant] Right. But meanwhile, the Patriots, it's just four or five people in there. No doubt. But the reason I asked that question is because


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[Assistant] It can be easy to rank positions. You know, oh, I like this guy better, so I'm going to have him about him.


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[Assistant] And that's what needs factoring. Right. Like that's, and since I'm not evaluating for a certain position or a certain team, then I can't factor in needs, you know, I'm just trying to project.


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[Assistant] I guess you just getting kicked out after doing your job. That would, that would irk me if I worked for the Patriots. Cause like, you do your job from September until March. It's like, nah, this is the biggest weekend of the year in terms of roster building. We're good, just go home.


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[Assistant] Because, and I think you brought up this name, Danelle Hunter to me is why I value athleticism so much at the edge and along the interior. Because if you think about it in its simplest terms, right?


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[Assistant] It's one of the true one-on-one matchups on an NFL field. So, if you have a significant advantage athletically as a leg up,


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[Assistant] That's a great starting point. Right. And Rashawn Gary has, you know, a fastball right now for talking about baseball in that he has this one pitch that can be successful and be productive in the NFL. And that is, you know, just a speed rush to the outside, hopefully going against a heavy foot offensive tackle. And again, you can press the pocket. You can move the quarterback off the spot. To me though, there's no countermeasures.


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[Assistant] There's, and consistently I should say, there are flashes of just about everything with Ashong Gary. Nothing consistent. Whereas, you know, he might set up this outside move earlier in the game and then


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[Assistant] Right. Just none of that is there. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of thought to his game right now. And that's why to me, the other guys, the other edge rushers show that a lot more. But again, I do think Rashaun Gary is a first round.


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[Assistant] Do you think he can win inside as a pass rusher? Like, do you think he can do the tre flowers outside as you go against, you know, your less athletic interior?


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[Assistant] And as a closing thought, the reason why so many people, I think, really value this defensive line edge class.


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[Assistant] And what that means is for your coaches, it's being more multiple. You'll hear that word a lot this off-season. Being more multiple.


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[Assistant] That then just puts the pressure entirely on the coaches. Right. Because they have to scheme it. And luckily for the Patriots, they had Calvin Noy, they had Dante Hightower, who, back going to their college games, rushed the passer quite a bit. No doubt about it. You're right. And so they had that experience. But not everyone is, as Chris knows, as well coached as the Patriots.


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[Assistant] The middle linebacker position. I think Devin White will be a top 5 pick all of a sudden though. Yeaah. Okay. I think Devin White. Wait, top 5 pick? Yeaah. I think Devin White might go number 5 to Tampa, correct? They are the 5. You're right. You're the number 5. That makes a lot of sense to me, but I highly doubt either one gets out of the top 15 because you have teams like. 100%. Bingles. Right.


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[Assistant] The Green Bay Packers, like some really good teams that are very in need of that off ball linebacker spot. And there's a massive cliff after those two.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but what I think about Noah Fant and TJ Hopkinson, I actually, Chris, don't think you give enough credit for how good Noah Fant is in line.


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[Assistant] And I don't think Noah Fant is quite as comfortable in space as like an Evan Ingram or Jordan Reed. I read what you said and I agree there. Totally. Because those guys are basically running backs when they get in the open field. Right. They're make you miss, create space in the round.


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[Assistant] He is eerily similar movement wise to Martavis Bryant. Yeah. Big boy that can move so freely and just eat up yards and just. I think that.


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[Assistant] I still really like him. I don't. Again, heart palpitations. Seeing Jerry Hillary just for how he bends and is flexible.


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[Assistant] David Montgomery and Devon Singletary go before Rykel Armstead. Okay. The temple running back. You have as your number two runner?


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[Assistant] We're going to play the very best player and I, and I know we're dancing around the words there, but right now Eli's getting ready to have a great year and Daniel's getting ready to play. And you know, you just.


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[Assistant] You know, being upset where it really got to me about the way people thought about me with the media's writing and all that. I don't. In fact, I really don't. I remember, I'm not gonna say his name, he wrote a really rough article on me and they're all interviewing me around my locker room every Thursday afternoon. I did my press conference in front of my locker and he was hiding in the back and I said, hey,


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[Assistant] I was in New York at the, at the Belmont. Right. This past weekend I was just walking around by our hotel and there was a CVS right there and it was kind of one of those things I had a headache and it was like early in the morning and I was like,


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[Assistant] I was looking at the Monster energy drinks right there and I go, you know what? Damn. I'm five days in. That's willpower right there. I would have to tell Chris that I failed. Yes. I don't want to do that.


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[Assistant] The Warriors had taken a timeout, and then the Raptors came out and still scored, and there was yea, about 3 minutes to go, and there was a timeout, and at that point I was watching it too, and the Warriors had one timeout left. And I go, wow, Steve Kerr used his last timeout with 3 minutes to go in the game just to break the momentum, and I was like, well no, Raptors called it a timeout.


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[Assistant] Come, you know, fast forward. Warriors go on a 9-0 run. Uhm, it was, it was weird. It was weird. And Nick Nurse said afterwards, he goes, I used it because if under three, you're gonna lose those timeouts anyway. I thought my guys needed a break. And the Warriors needed a break more than the Raptors.


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[Assistant] Raptors lost. Who are you picking? Who are you still gonna go there?


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[Assistant] I don't pick against the Warriors. I saw them up close and personal for five, six years and so I don't pick against them. I mean, Klay Thompson is unbelievable.


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[Assistant] It's very, it's very intelligent comments from a lot of people with perfect punctuation and great grammar. Good, good. So you're going to be surprised. You guys came out with your best scrambling quarterback. You did a live draft on PFT with Mike Florio. Here we're showing it to the YouTube audience.


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[Assistant] Game over. And he has Mitchell Trubisky, Kyler Murray, and Deshaun Watson. Right. Good quarterbacks. Good quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] So here's what I want to know. Did Lamar Jackson retire? No. So did he retire? No.


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[Assistant] I honestly, hearing you describe, I would put him number one. You think he's number one? I think he's number one. Maybe it's not enough of a sample size, we've seen from Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] So that's the top three, but there's like a tier. That's like the elite tier.


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[Assistant] Unknown Flight, no, we have a comment, our instant reaction. Unknown Flight on, uh, Instagram, I believe. Yes. Uh, how you, uh, put Murray on there. He ain't even played SMH, that's Shake My Head. He hasn't even played a preseason game yet. You know NFL faster than college. Come on now, Chris, be real. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean. So that's good. He challenged me on my scrambling thing with Rogers. And that Houston needs to, you know, have. You know, the thing is with the Patriots is that they're not allowed to have friends. And so you don't have to worry about friends hanging out, you know. That's a rule from Belichick is that if you're a Patriot, you have no friends.


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[Assistant] So what'd you make of this? I mean, he's super young, you just turned 22 years old, and uh, what'd he make of it? He had the foot injury, he missed those three games, and then came back after that and was so much better. It was almost like he needed that rest. He threw for 761 yards in those three games, five touchdowns, no interceptions, 63%.


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[Assistant] His, you know, second to last game versus Green Bay, it was 341 yards, three touchdowns. It's like he came back a different guy. Different guy.


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[Assistant] I, uh, the three, the three most likely, uhm, players to have, to have smoked a cigarette on the sideline during an NFL game. Uhm, my top three, number three, Brett Favre. I think that, I can see that of happening. I hear ya. Number two, Larry Zonka. I never saw Larry Zonka play, but I feel like-


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[Assistant] Thunder, I loved that show with Mike Adamley too. And number one, most likely to have smoked a cigarette on the sidelines during an NFL game, Ryan Fitzpatrick. I think I actually saw it. I think I did see it last year, yeaah. So I just went through there.


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[Assistant] Our producer Pete says that there's a photo of Len Dawson. Back in those days, yeaah. During Super Bowl I. Right. Half time of Super Bowl I. To recharge. You had to recharge. Uh, okay. That is uh, Sam Darnold. Can you imagine?


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[Assistant] Well, smoking wasn't like seen as healthy. Yea, I guess it was like given them energy. Yea, that's what it was. Like what do we do now that 50 years from now would be like what idiots were we? We put an electronic device up to our head for hours a day. Of course we're gonna have brain problems. I'm talking about the phone.


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[Assistant] Yeah, thank you. Okay, that's Sam Darnold. I want to do another one because I know this guy. The most attractive quarterback on your list at number 21.


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[Assistant] Supposed to be back to 100% by training camp from that torn ACL versus Kansas City last year. First couple games are against the Bucs and the Bengals, so kind of ease into his NFL season, so that could be good for him.


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[Assistant] Patriots gave him up for a second round pick in 2018. Uhm, patspulpit.com just listed some of the players that New England turned that pick. So they've traded that pick multiple times. So here are some of the players that they have gotten back.


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[Assistant] They got even more players from this. This is one pick. This is from one pick. That's why he's Bill Belichick and they're the Patriots. They got the running back at Damian Harris. Yep, okay. Uh, offensive tackle Yadni Kajus. Okay. And quarterback Derek Stidham, or Jarrett Stidham. And also a fourth round pick next year. Are you kidding me?


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[Assistant] Uhm, but we also got a lot of other good podcasts on her turf. Off the Pitch digital series going on right now. The Women's World Cup is happening. Team USA trying to defend their World Cup title from four years ago. They won in Canada. This is Off the Pitch, an eight episode video series focused on current and former US women's national team players.


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[Assistant] Including Brandy Chastain, Carly Lloyd, and others.


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[Assistant] We all remember the iconic moment from Brandy Chastain. How long ago was that now?


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[Assistant] Team USA starting today, 3 p.m. Eastern, may have already happened depending on when you're watching or listening to this, and so, all on Telemundo, you can follow it all there, and you can also follow the digital series, at OnHerTurf on Instagram. Number 20, can we do a couple more?


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[Assistant] The coaching staff is like, pass it or everyone get a good hit and come on, we got a big second half coming up. Oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] His completion percentage went up from 59% to 67%. His yards per attempt went up from 6.1 to 7.4. His touchdowns went up from 7 to 24. Huge jump there. His interceptions did go up from 7 to 12.


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[Assistant] But his quarterback rating went from 77.5 to 95.4. And most importantly, his sims ranking went up from 24th to 20th. Right. Yeaah. I think, you look at those, you hear those numbers, you're like, wow, that's a significant improvement from one year to the next.


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[Assistant] No, I just made that up. But they're still better. Oh, hold on, Pete's getting it.


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[Assistant] And Jim McMahon recently kind of stuck up for him and said he was a good dude and said, if you play hard and win, they'll love you forever.


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[Assistant] So let's keep it going. So far so good. Yeah. Uh, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna do one more. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It is really going to be interesting to see what they do with, with him. Cause, you know, Carson Wentz has the same agent. I know. That Jared Goff does. And Wentz did just get that four year, $128 million deal. And yeaah. No, I, I can pick up his fifth year option next year.


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[Assistant] Grew up in, uh, Northern California, huge Warriors fans been tweeting about it all, playoffs. Cool. What is, I always wonder what that's like as a player. You know, cause he's in LA. Yeah. LA and the Bay area have huge rivalry. Right. You know, it's Laker country, Clippers country, and you see your starting quarterback in LA tweeting about the Warriors.


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[Assistant] When you were a buck, did you feel pressure to root for the Tampa Bay Rays, even though you're a huge Yankee fan?


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[Assistant] Uh, who are, can you do a little trivia here, you ready? Okay, I like this, go ahead. The most recent three quarterbacks, this is going back to 2013, who have thrown seven touchdowns in a game.


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[Assistant] Can you name the most recent quarterbacks to throw seven touchdowns in a game?


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[Assistant] Yep, that's correct. 2013, September 5th. Do you know the team he did it against? Is it the Chargers? Baltimore Ravens. Was it really? Holy cow. 462 yards, seven touchdowns. Oh my gosh, you're it's right. Week one.


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[Assistant] And at that point, people thought, okay, maybe he's not washed up. They go, okay, maybe, maybe we were wrong about him being washed up. Maybe he's still got something left in the tank.


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[Assistant] In Oakland I believe, in Oakland I believe. Yes, it was in Oakland.


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[Assistant] But I'll just say this, a couple things. Start with Roshan Gehry.


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[Assistant] And he is responsible for a kid that I know very well being a major college quarterback. Because the quarterback on their team got hurt.


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[Assistant] And I saw them play, and I don't know if you did or not Christopher. I did. But they looked like a college defense. Yes. They were truly scary, they had black uniforms, they looked like they had about seven Ra'Shawn Gary's out there.


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, what the heck, what's the guy, Droga, what's the guy's name in Rocky? Yea, Ivan Droga. You're right, Droga.


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[Assistant] You know, the old, I got speed, but I can also run you over. And he is definitely one of those guys. Great explosiveness.


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[Assistant] And the other thing that jumps out, I can't think of his name either, I was going to look it up before we talk. The D-line coach of Michigan.


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[Assistant] Oh, that is a great call, Paul. But look, he is a great defensive line coach. He, he was the coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens. He was down in Florida, of course, of course with Urban Meyer.


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[Assistant] And he went back to Michigan and I said, why are you doing it? And he goes, man, I just want to be with the kid.


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[Assistant] And you know, and they just, you see it year in and year out, he's got guys coming out, cause he gets of course talented guys, but they coach them up.


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[Assistant] And he says, I learned so much more in college than I ever did in the pros because of Coach Madison.


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[Assistant] The ferociousness that he plays with, the hustle, the speed, there's nothing to me not to like. Now I heard somebody on TV say they might take him from


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[Assistant] You know, through the years he could be an inside guy instead of an outside guy. I, I don't know if I see that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, that's right. That's a different thing than playing third down. Then you can take these type of guys like him and then, and put them inside, but.


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[Assistant] Look, y-you know, uh, I read some people say, oh, he's...


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[Assistant] Nick Bosa, I think is better than Joey Bosa. Boy, that's tough to say.


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[Assistant] Like they're little kids, the way he can move, and if you want, if you...


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[Assistant] In college, it's gonna be a lot of the same thing that his brother Joey sees in the pros. If you play him one on one, he's either gonna overpower you, or his hands again.


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[Assistant] I'd love to, he must have those big ol' thick hands. When he puts them on and grabs somebody, they're going.


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, I mean that was the other thing, you know, he's, he's, he's got the body to be along, I mean look, he can stand in there with anybody, and you said it, I saw your little thing on TV.


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[Assistant] It was fun watching them, you know, I haven't watched them all because there's so many, there's so much, and wow, you know, and you know what, I gotta learn.


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[Assistant] After you see 40 or 50 plays, you really know who they are.


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[Assistant] And you know, I keep watching, I keep watching, I go, oh, I'm like, it's like a trance, okay. And you see the same things over and over, so you know, you got it. Now Josh Allen, uh, I wasn't...


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[Assistant] Well, I haven't watched them all, but I did watch Josh Allen, and I say, okay, I'm watching, do you just see a can't miss


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[Assistant] And I, I, listen, he has, you know, he's another one, strong hands and...


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[Assistant] And you know, the four of the first things I wrote down, is he going to overpower somebody? Maybe if he catches them off guard, but I don't look at him as one of these guys that


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[Assistant] You know, you know, is he a great vendor around the area? I would say no. He's versatile. I don't think he, like I said, overpower. So those are things, you know, and somebody compared to Yvonne Miller.


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[Assistant] He's gonna run you over. He's gonna run you over. It's power because you worry so much about his speed. So I do not see that when I watch Josh Allen and I'm not being critical to kid. No, he's a baller. He's gonna go top ten.


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[Assistant] He hustles, he plays hard, he's got good movement, you know, all the stuff that they want to talk about, in the draft, his hands and all that, which really is all true, you know, we don't talk about, we talk about their legs and all this thing, but having those hands to be able to grab and


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[Assistant] Manipulate guys maybe is as important as anything when you talk about defensive line play. And I played with a guy, and you know him, and Paul, you'll remember him.


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[Assistant] You know, that's kind of how I feel about those guys. I have not watched Montez sweat yet. I'm interested to look at him.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, Lawrence is the standard bearer still to this day. And of course we heard Belichick during the season when somebody, who was he comparing to Lawrence Taylor?


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[Assistant] Because Lawrence is the first original guy and still maybe the best of all time of what I heard you guys saying that he could go around the edge.


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[Assistant] And get his right shoulder or left shoulder, his left shoulder, low to the ground and


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[Assistant] But, that's what made him, that's why he was great, and I still say it, he's still the best I've ever seen coming around the edge. Here we are, what? All these years later,


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[Assistant] And I still have never seen anybody with the bin and the flexibility of a guy like him. And of course, Lawrence didn't lift a weight.


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[Assistant] I mean, hell, I probably could bench and do all that more than he could, but his legs were, you know, they were built to play football. He had great legs and uhm.


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[Assistant] And the first one to really to be an outside edge rusher as a linebacker. He changed rules. So, there you go.


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[Assistant] They did pick up a couple of guards in Matt Garcia and J.R. Sweezy. Yes. So that gives them some veterans and a little stability there. I know they signed Brett Hunley at quarterback, which I thought, okay, that's a


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[Assistant] And then I forgot the other guy. They signed a wide receiver. I forgot his name. I can't remember.


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[Assistant] Then my goal is to do one thing, to make sure it works with Kyler Murray. And I would have got, may go out there and get certain free agents to solidify things, and then I would even, you know, add onto it with the draft.


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[Assistant] And I, it's not about winning and losing really if you take Kyler Murray via the Arizona Cardinals. It's about him playing well.


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[Assistant] You know, to validate what you're doing, to give everybody hope, and then you build from there. So that's...


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[Assistant] But some of the things they've done are pretty cool to at least start to get a little foundation if they're gonna draft him.


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[Assistant] To let Kyle Murray be somewhat kind of the person or the player they think he can be. Because Josh Rosen, if he was Houdini, he still wasn't gonna play well.


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[Assistant] Because that was just horrendous. The offense was horrendous.


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[Assistant] Please, you're just taking too many ferocious hits. And I will say this about Josh Rosen. My knock on him coming out didn't move around enough and all that.


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[Assistant] Wow, that's a great question. You don't listen. I'm taking Kyle Murray.


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[Assistant] I never thought I'd say this when I first started this offseason. You know why I do it? It just, it changes the whole dynamics of your franchise and, and


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[Assistant] Cliff Kingsbury, okay, let's see it and let's build this thing and strictly build. Like I say, I want to see it. I want to see a draft where they do nothing, but just keep picking guys to help their offense. And you know, if your office is good enough, you can hide a bad defense.


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[Assistant] And you know, you can really help it out. We see it all the time. Yeah, the Ravens had a great defense.


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[Assistant] But they had offense that played to it all the time too, to kinda make their stats much more better or whatever you wanna say than they really were.


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[Assistant] So that's what I want to see, and I, and I'm starting to, I'm kind of con, not convinced, but.


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[Assistant] I believe they will take Kyle Murray and we'll see what happens from there.


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[Assistant] The best of both worlds, maybe the best blocking tight end that I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] And I would put him right up there and Mark Bavaro might be second.


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[Assistant] No question would have been a Hall of Famer if he didn't get hurt. And all the things that he did well, we see the Patriots, they did them.


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[Assistant] Right. And all the scenes that you, you know, it always used to kill me.


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[Assistant] You're playing the Patriots, they get to the 35 of the 30, they're gonna send the big guy down one of the seams.


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[Assistant] And Brady must have thrown 30 touchdowns to Gronkowski on seam patterns.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's right. It was a seam to Gronkowski. Right. Oh my gosh. So, and we threw that so much and they kind of had the same rule that we did. And I'll just say this. We had a seam pass in preseason against the Pittsburgh Steelers and I thought it was a little tight and I wasn't quite, you know, just letting these little tight throws go at that time.


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[Assistant] And I dumped it all. We're watching the tape and, and...


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[Assistant] We learned, just like the fade route, you throw it by-


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[Assistant] Throw it behind him, throw it low, throw it hard, throw it over the guy's head. And Bavaro was a, you know, he had mitts the size of a catcher's mitt.


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[Assistant] And he could catch anything. I really don't remember him ever dropping those passes. And think of the playoff games that we played in.


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[Assistant] And, and they did it with Gronk, and what a combination they had there going with Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. They kinda changed football a little. And here to this day, I still see plays that those two ran.


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[Assistant] I see them in the AAF football, I see them in college, and I still see them all in the pros because of what the Patriots did with those two tight ends.


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[Assistant] And I had, I can't remember the linebacker, I don't think it was Brandon Marshall, it would have been before his time probably.


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[Assistant] And you know, that's the other thing, Paul, you've been, have you been around Rob Gronkowski?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it really is. You know, I think everybody's all these theories. If he says he's going to retire, if he's not there, whatever, I don't think he'll come back because, you know, we used to make fun. I said, okay, watch this when he comes in, you know, and everybody go, okay, what's going to happen? I go, he come in and he's shake hands. Everybody said, man, Gronk, you look, you look like you lost a little weight.


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[Assistant] He was, cause he's so into being in great shape and taking care of himself and all that. And he will do that. He will stay in great shape.


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[Assistant] But we know there's a difference between being in great shape and being in football shape.


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[Assistant] And running and sprinting and all that stuff puts tremendous pressure on your lower back and that's one of his problems. And the fact that he was so big and all that really shortened his career because he was such a target and so much, you know, so many things can kind of go wrong when you're that tall.


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[Assistant] And being over the middle and getting hit and dragged down from behind and all that, that I would be surprised if he did come back and, uhm.


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[Assistant] He, hey, he'll stay in great shape. He'll have his chances.


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[Assistant] And Bill Belichick's only gonna bring him back if he did, he'd have to practice and practice and practice.


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[Assistant] And, you know, of course Josh McDaniels did a great job of always using him and making sure the best players got the football and one of those was Rob Gronkowski.


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[Assistant] I hope everybody's doing good out there. My man Paul Burmeister is here today. Paulie Burmeister. We're going to get into the more of the top 40 quarterbacks in football. Uh, I know I've unveiled four of them already with number 40 being Tyrod Taylor, 39 Colt McCoy, 38 Dwayne Haskins, 37 Drew Locke.


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[Assistant] We'll get into the next four that we're going to unveil here as we go forward. Uh, I, listen, I encourage anybody to, you know, tweet at me, Instagram messages at the podcast, whatever you want. I invite the discussion here. I am going to self scout thyself at some point on this list too. Cause as I talk about it,


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[Assistant] More. I also find little nuggets and facts to wear like I told you off air.


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[Assistant] 30-42 is the hardest part of this ranking to me. The top 10, top 20 quarterbacks, I talk about them so much, I study them so much, I know so much about them, I feel comfortable with them. These guys, it's backups, it's nitpicky, it's, oh this guy hasn't played in a while, all that, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this, this is, I think this is actually harder. I think there's more to take into account here, you know, just with


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[Assistant] Uh, and again, I felt very comfortable with like the top 20. I was like, oh, I can do that in my head and whatever and, and figure that out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, there's just so many different circumstances on the NFL football team. And it's about what you are right now in 2019. That's the bottom line. I think that's where people get confused with this. This is not an all-time ranking. Uh, you know, this is nothing like this. This is not how good you were two years ago. That doesn't mean shit. It's right now. It's right now.


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[Assistant] And, you know, some of it is a little projection based too. Hey, the team they're gonna be on, you know, uh, me thinking they're growing more, you know, as a player between year one or year two. And obviously projection based.


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[Assistant] And I get flack, how can you tell how good they are ranking them when they haven't played a snap in the NFL? I don't know, you know, but...


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[Assistant] I knew, I knew about Patrick Mahomes because I had him in my top 30 quarterbacks last year. And you know, there was enough that I saw in preseason football and coming out in the draft that I said, he can do things that other quarterbacks in the league can't do right now, plain and simple. That's all there is to it, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, Baker Mayfield. Again, just, we all knew Baker Mayfield was better than Tyrod Taylor. Did we, did we really have to see it?


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[Assistant] You know, sometimes guys are better than the other guy. Doesn't mean just their team is better always too. So I tried to take all that into account. And, uh, yeah, we'll have fun with that. We're going to hit the next four quarterbacks going, going forward here. One piece of news I found interesting just


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[Assistant] Over the last few days. You know. Cause there hasn't been much. There hasn't been much. You know, there's been the Richie Incognito signing, which hey, I don't get that. We're not going to break that down a whole lot. I've talked about it a ton on PFT. I'm sick of talking about it. But I do want to talk about the Jets GM search just a little bit.


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[Assistant] One, the one reason, the first reason I want to talk about it is, of course, I, I mean the Jets took a lot of crap.


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[Assistant] About the firing of Mike McAgnan, the timing of it, when it happened. My first point I wanna make is just this, Paul, and you again, throw the challenge flag on me, tell them I'm stupid.


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[Assistant] Here, again, where while the people that were saying it was stupid move, right, to fire him then and when they did, you know, again, now here, I'd like some people to applaud the Jets because here's the Jets with no competition.


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[Assistant] Having the cream of the crop of next year's GM candidates who are going to be hired in 2020.


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[Assistant] And they have nobody to compete against. They can take their time.


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[Assistant] Where it's not that important to have the GM in the building this time of the year. Right. And they're gonna get to vet each one of these guys. Scott Fitterer from the Seattle Seahawks, Champ Kelly from the Bears, Joe Douglas.


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[Assistant] Hmm, this is kinda nice the way it's setting up for the Jets as far as this is concerned.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, nothing. You're right. The only thing on their radar right now is, you know, guys who could make our roster that might be a camp.


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of talks up here, daily news, talking about the dysfunction of the Jets, the Jets interviewed all these coaches before Todd Bowles was actually fired.


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[Assistant] Well first of all, it's basically confirming why, part of the reason Mike McHagan got fired, because there was a feeling and a sentiment around the NFL, certainly in the Jets organization, that Mike McHagan talked to the media too much. Who do you think is getting these, this information from right now?


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[Assistant] I mean, they literally should just write, here's an article by Mike McHagan, he's gonna tell you all the dysfunction and pile on to the Jets now that he's out the door.


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[Assistant] But that was an issue with the Jets all together and guys like Manish Mehta here up in the New York area are having a heart attack right now because his number one connection in the Jets organization was McHagan or maybe Heimerdinger and now his lifeline has been cut off that way. Uh, but I just think, you know, I just wanted to give credit to the Jets there because here they are.


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[Assistant] Adam Gase, you know, Christopher Johnson has taken a lot of crap, Adam Gase didn't make a power play to get anybody fired, Christopher Johnson was thinking this already, he did it, okay, and now, you know,


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[Assistant] Champ Kelly, I just talk about the candidates a little. Champ Kelly is a guy I spent some time with in the Denver Broncos. He built those Denver Bronco teams, or was a big part of it, you know, with John Elway and the Super Bowl run. Is that where he is now? Now he's in Chicago, and he's been there the last few years and done a great job. I mean, look, the Bears have turned their roster around in a few years. I'm not saying it's all him, but he's been an important part.


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[Assistant] Important piece, because Ryan Pace is a phenomenal GM to go along with it. But, man.


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, I vouch for that guy. I know that. I had a lot of long conversations with Champ Kelly through the years. I, you know, the way he sees the game, the way he evaluates players, I got a lot of respect for it. Uh, I think he sees it the right way. A guy like Joe Douglas, okay, who's down with the Philadelphia Eagles. Hey, I don't know Joe.


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[Assistant] I know a lot of people in football and I've called around since his name's been thrown around. Very good reputation. Very good reputation. You can't find anybody to say anything negative about him. And at the very base for me, like I don't know him.


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[Assistant] The resume is phenomenal. I mean, being a part of the Ravens, okay, being a part of the Philadelphia Eagles and what they have built at those two organizations in itself with a stop in Chicago in between, that's like three teams where you go, wow, there was some big time moves there that went in the right direction.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, that's a really good question and a good point. I mean, uh, first of all, there is risk in doing that because then all of a sudden you're the odd man out. Oh, I like this job better. Oh, they like somebody else. Oh, I like this other job better. Oh gosh, they like somebody else. And all of a sudden you don't have any jobs. So there's only 32 of these things. So you better be careful about turning it down.


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[Assistant] And I would tell any of them, you know, you don't ever turn it down unless it's just totally so dysfunctional that you just go, whoa, I have no chance to succeed here.


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[Assistant] I don't think so, not with the Jets. I don't think they've reached that level. I think there's things I like about the Jets. Of course I do, I'm an Adam Gase fan. I like Greg Williams on the defensive side of the ball. I would think to a GM,


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[Assistant] The blind canvas and the fact that, you know, the Jets fans and the fan base around here and really anybody that knows football.


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[Assistant] You know, I hear you, you're right. There are every now and then those cases.


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[Assistant] Yes, and I've said this before, the Jets can't hire a guy just solely based on Adam Gase likes him. They gotta hire the best guy for the job, uh, and of course you want Adam Gase to have a respect level for the guy and what the work he's done, and they have at least a somewhat of a common vision on how a team should be built and put together.


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[Assistant] To me, it looks like all these guys kind of fit that bill and have already proven they understand how to put a team together. And I think Adam Gase is going to look at all of them and go, oh, I can deal with these guys. These guys got a clue. I get that. Right. So I just thought I had to bring that up. The Jets topic's been a big topic. I'm always big on anything where we talk about it in the negative aspect and now something good happens.


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[Assistant] Exactly right, he's a football guy, and that's what I mean by like...


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[Assistant] I like champ, champ Kelly. You know, again, there's, I know a lot of other GMs and pro personnel guys. You don't hear me vouching for them. Okay. Cause I'm saying this cause it's genuine. And yeah, you know, football guys, when you've been around it and you just go, Oh, this guy's got the like,


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[Assistant] The right mentality and attitude to be successful. And yeaah, you know, I played under Gase as he was a wide receiver coach in Denver. So that's where I got the first taste of him. And I get it. And he's, uh, yeaah, I think he's got the right way about him as well. Alright, we're done. Let's get into this crap. Quarterback list, man. What do you got?


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[Assistant] Uh, of course is Drew Locke as I'm botching my own, uh, counting backwards here in my own mind. And now we are at number 36, okay? And this is a guy that might surprise people.


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[Assistant] But I view him as a little higher regard, obviously, than most. Uhm, cause I know I've had a few friends already that kind of challenge me. Like, really? And number 30, number 36 is RG3. Robert Griffin III is who I'm going with at number 36. Count me in as a surprise.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, last year in the preseason, he was phenomenal. And I had gotten word in Baltimore, he was really good in training camp. I mean, so good to the point, and even here in the OTAs where he's so good, they have to watch it a little bit sometimes because he can upstage the guy who's the starting quarterback. You know, Robert Griffin III.


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[Assistant] No matter what you think of him as a person or what he did or here or that, this, this is where it has to start. He has big time ability for one.


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[Assistant] His arm is a special arm. You know, it's a conversation for one of the 10 best arms in the NFL right now. It is. He can launch it. I've seen it in person. He spins it. He can throw it with power. He's got good touch. He is a gifted thrower.


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[Assistant] We know he's a gifted athlete. Now I think the issue why like Robert Griffin III missed football for a year.


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[Assistant] He's got some doucheyness about him. Early on in his career, he was... You think that had a lot to do with the crash and burn after the first couple of seasons? I do. Yes, I think he, you know, came in the NFL Rookie of the Year. He was in the conversation for NFL MVP. It was that good of a rookie year.


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[Assistant] But he, he drank his own Kool-Aid. And along with winning the Heisman before he got there, yeaah. I mean, he treated the Shanahan family wrong.


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[Assistant] He acted unprofessional, uh, he did a lot of things to where I think, yeaah, he kind of was a diva at one point. I do think he's turned the corner on that. He proved it to me in Cleveland a little bit, and again had a good preseason there.


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[Assistant] You know, started a few games there, played in Cleveland. Again, that team stunk around him at the time. We gotta take that into account. We can't just go, oh, RG3 stunk cause they stunk.


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[Assistant] No, that's not fair. There was plenty good there in that preseason. Plenty good in the preseason last year. And yeaah, this is a hair of a projection.


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[Assistant] I get that, but I still think just the talent level and the fact of what I've seen, how he acts, the maturity level. I think he's been humbled to a degree. I look at him as one of the, yeah, the better backups in all of football because of that talent level. And I'm just going to say this right now.


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[Assistant] Lamar Jackson's like shut himself out to the world. He had nobody help him during the pre-draft process.


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[Assistant] He works with some guy I've never heard of and throwing the football.


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[Assistant] Good decision maker, and if he got in, and Lamar Jackson got banged up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this could set up very well for a guy like RG3. He's in the perfect spot as a backup. For a guy that wants to be a backup who's still looking to go, I should be a starting NFL quarterback somewhere, that's where I look at him.


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[Assistant] That is a, that's a really good question. Uhm, as I take it right now, I think he could be more of a pain in the butt on that football team as a starting quarterback. Yea, I do. Uhm, you know, again, it's hard to say without seeing a little bit more Lamar Jackson going forward, to see the improvements maybe he's made as far as understanding the offense, passing, all of that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I do worry about that. There's only so many, you know, read options and run tricks you can have in a game. Like we saw with the Chargers, you know, once they got to see it the second time around, it wasn't nearly as effective. You've got to keep people at bay with the passing game a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's things I like about Lamar Jackson. Like I said- More good than bad. Way more good than bad. But still some concern. But still some concern because we worry about it becoming too predictable because we go like you just said.


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[Assistant] I think he's, yes, I do. You know, even in Washington, you heard that he wasn't friends with any of the players down there. He was friends with, you know, the head trainer and like the media guys. You'd hear stories like that, like he hung around them.


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[Assistant] You know, I'd have players tell me like, yeah, he's not friends with anybody that plays. His friends are like people in the organization though. So yeah, that's a little odd. You don't see that very much. And hey, I'm not sitting here saying you gotta be best friends with a locker room.


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[Assistant] But you gotta be accessible to a degree. Guys gotta be comfortable. I'll echo something Antonio Brown said about Derek Carr the other day. The relationship's important because you're gonna go through all these ups and downs of a season and a game and you just wanna feel comfortable with the human you're next to. And go, man, I know what this guy's about. You know, this Paul Burmeister's tough. I've seen him work hard.


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[Assistant] He takes no nonsense. We're gonna pull this out in the fourth quarter, right? You know, there's something about that, right? And yeah, that's where I think he missed a little bit, you know, let alone


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[Assistant] But here you are talking to Mike Shannon who's won two Super Bowls, and they just set up an offense around you that the NFL had never seen before.


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[Assistant] And you were gonna come in and tell them what to do the next year. And that's part of the doucheyness of what I'm talking about and I think he has turned the corner on that.


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[Assistant] Alright, keep an eye on it. And hey, if it doesn't work out and I'm wrong, don't worry, I'll be the first one to crap on myself, so don't worry. I might help. Alright, good. I like it. Alright, we're going to the next guy, right? 35th. Number 35 is the Ryan Fitzpatrick. The Ryan Fitzpatrick. You know,


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[Assistant] You know, Fitzmagic, I said on the PFT show this morning, he's got a shamrock up his ass, okay? I mean, if you're the starting quarterback and Ryan Fitzpatrick is backing you up, I mean, you better say your prayers and have a rabbit foot with you because most likely you're gonna get hurt and Ryan Fitzpatrick is gonna get a chance to play. It seems that way.


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[Assistant] Hey, uh, this is a guy still, you know, you can count on him to come in and play football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, he's, he's pretty phenomenal. And you know, you hear the early reports out of Miami about Fitzpatrick right now that he's, you know, has a leg up on Josh Rosen. I'm not shocked by that. You just said he's seen everything. He's been around the block. You know, it's 15 years in the NFL. Would you play him right now, even if he has a leg up?


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[Assistant] No, I don't either. I mean, you don't trade the second round pick. Josh Rosen should be the guy. I mean, I would think he has to truly, like, utterly, horribly fail for him not to be. I would think, or Orphus Patrick just goes on fire in training camp from pre-season to where they go, okay.


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[Assistant] He can have a week or two weeks like we saw at the start of last season where you go, whoa.


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[Assistant] They beat the Saints and then they beat the Philadelphia Eagles back to back and Ryan Fitzpatrick looks like he's playing like the best quarterback of football. But then the next week of Monday Night Football, they play the Pittsburgh Steelers and he throws some of the dumbest interceptions you'll see in the season last year to where you go,


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[Assistant] What the hell is that? Then comes back and gives him a chance to win the game. But then the next week they go to Chicago and he plays absolutely horrible and they're down like 40 to nothing in the first half.


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[Assistant] That's to your point is why I couldn't make him a little higher because there's things about it I love his aggressive nature. He's more athletic than people give him credit for. Of course he's extremely smart having gone to Harvard so he can really comprehend and digest any amount or any offense all together.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I think why I put them here instead of maybe a few spots higher is


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[Assistant] He's not in the trust tree. You know, there's just too many games where it's two interceptions and it becomes the third interception and it becomes the fourth interception. And you go, what the hell? You know, most quarterbacks after they threw two interceptions go, okay.


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[Assistant] Let me get a few easy completions and try to manage the game and get back on track here. He could throw three bad interceptions and the fourth throw he just goes, triple coverage? I don't give a damn. I mean, so that's where I get concerned with Ryan Fitzpatrick. He can do some good things, but he can have some head scratching moments. Uh, and he's had, he's made a phenomenal career for himself to this point.


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[Assistant] Keep the big picture in mind. Your point in question is very valid. I would tell the Miami Dolphins, keep the big picture in mind here. Don't be a prisoner of the moment.


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[Assistant] To pull the string on a Josh Rosen, 1 and 3 wouldn't be bad enough, I don't think. You know, at least just the way I evaluate it and go, come on, we don't think the Dolphins are going to the playoffs of the Super Bowl this year. They're totally in rebuild mode, right? So, you know, we know it's a new year, a new system.


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[Assistant] You know, not a great amount of talent around a guy like Josh Rosen to where, you know, hey, if it was one and three and you go, gosh, Rosen's throwing like four, three egregious interceptions in every game, okay.


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[Assistant] But don't just bench him because they're 1 and 3. If it's not totally his fault, I mean, if it's Josh Rosen, they're 1 and 3, and he's playing pretty good football, but the running back fumbled, or the defense is letting up 35 points a game.


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[Assistant] Don't bench Josh Rosen because of that. That's all I would say. Now, if we get Leiter down the line and Josh Rosen's still playing solid football, but not great football, and they're 1-8, and you want to make that move, and now you're getting to the point where you're like, okay, I've seen Josh Rosen now, I don't, I'm just, I need to salvage the year a little bit and give the team some hope a little.


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[Assistant] Then maybe you'd pull the trigger there, but I would just say don't be too quick to do it.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're done with uh, number 35, right? We're going to number 34. Let's do it.


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[Assistant] You know, again, yeah, Eli Manning, uh, can he still lead a team to be successful and win football games? Certainly, he can.


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[Assistant] You know, I think uhm, his durability is certainly something to talk about, okay. His ability, his, his, you know,


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[Assistant] Ability to see defenses, you know, manage situations is still extremely good. I mean, he could still make


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[Assistant] Do those type of things. But yeah, for me to sit here and go, no, Eli is one of the 32 best quarterbacks in football right now. No, I think there's some higher level backups that are more talented than him. And I know we're going to get into a few of these names right now in a moment.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's my issue with Eli Manning to this point. And, you know, again, I just, I want to make sure everybody knows that there, you don't have to have a top 20 quarterback in football to go to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] You know, was Case Keenum a top 20? But can you have the 34th best? You know, I would challenge you and say yes.


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[Assistant] To be totally fair, I mean yea, Eli, Tom Brady, those guys, you can't expect them to just carry a team at this age, you know, week in, week out. Brady kinda does that. Brady does, but of course he's got a great system and a great team around him. They don't put him in spots to go,


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[Assistant] Hey, like last year, they didn't put them in spots and go, hey Tom, you're going to throw the ball 45 times this week to win the game. No, they ran the ball, they ran play action, they do things to go, realistically it's not


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[Assistant] Smart of us to ask you to do the things you were doing six years ago. Right. So, you know, again, that's nothing wrong with the player, but yeah, can they run the football? Can they get a play action pass game?


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[Assistant] You know, can they find ways to get Evan Ingram and Sterling Shepherd the ball, you know, down the middle of the field? And yes, at some point, defense is going to take that away. And that's when I go to Eli, okay, big guy, are you going to make the big throws outside the numbers down the field?


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[Assistant] And I think that's what we have to see and if they really want to be good, he's going to have to do that because we know Saquon Barkley is going to be the main go-to guy in that offense.


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[Assistant] I think he will go in the Hall of Fame. I don't think there's any doubt about that. With the Manning, the two Super Bowls, now whether he should or not is the conversation to me. It's borderline.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're looking, if they have a below 500 year or not a good year, he's gonna have a below 500 record as a starting quarterback in the history, right? Right, right. I mean, yeah, he's had very few seasons where you can look at the season and go, oh, he, I don't know if he's ever had a season in his career where I go, he was one of the five best quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] They're, the team that was there should have been a 12 and 4, 13 and 3, number 1 seed, number 2 seed, but Eli had some bad stretches during those regular seasons where


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[Assistant] I mean, people gotta remember back in 2007, the midway point of the year, there was a lot of talk about the Giants might have to bench Eli Manning and see really the future and all that, right? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Let me know, and this is, I've said this over and over, if there was two retired quarterbacks in football right now that I do think have a Hall of Fame case, Jim Plunkett's number one.


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[Assistant] Playing for the Oakland Raiders, you know, in the early 80s, and it's never even discussed. I don't get that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I always look at him as being one. Hey, my dad is another guy I always look at and go, I think he's a fringe guy as well. Totally. Yeaah. So, you know, it's an interesting conversation. I do think Eli will ultimately get in.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna take Big Ben. I am. He's the guy I go with. You know, I just think Big, I think Big Ben's a special talent. You know, again, what we saw last year.


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[Assistant] He's such a great thrower of the football. He was so much better on the move in the pocket with people around him than people give him credit for.


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[Assistant] I think his talents would work in any system because he can just get it done with his great physical abilities. You know, and I think the other thing we always forget about, you know, they went to two super balls there and won one of them.


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[Assistant] Where, you know, the Steelers were in the conversation for the worst offensive line in football in 2008, 9, 10, 11.


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[Assistant] And yet it didn't matter because Big Soldier was back there just like, oh, there's people on me, oh, I don't care. Throws a rifle down the field. And, you know, he got hurt in some of those years too because he was playing that style of football and doing those things. So, yeaah, I don't hesitate there. I take Big Ben.


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[Assistant] I would say I would agree with that too. I do. You know, Philip Rivers I think is going to be a fringe Hall of Famer when all of a sudden, everyone's going to look at the numbers and go, oh wow, but.


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[Assistant] You know, this is one thing I want to ask ex-quarterbacks about. I'd never even ask my dad this. I want to ask Jim Kelly, Dan Marino. This is the next time. How many...


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[Assistant] Yards are because of the era. That's my, weirdly, I would die to ask them.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean, with all the screens and the pick plays that the guys like Dan Marino and Elway, they're like, what is the number, amount of yards you attack on to a...


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[Assistant] Payton Manning's all-time career, you know what I mean? Is it 10,000? Is it 15,000? A lot. Is it 20? I mean, so that's why the stats are gonna always look skewed. Ryan Fitzpatrick's throwing for 15, I mean, he's throwing for more yards than Troy Aikman already. Really? Yeah.


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[Assistant] You could go back in the eras and just, uh, we can go back in eras and we can go back in John Elway in the 80s and early 90s and you can't


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[Assistant] You know old school football, you're inside the 10, we're gonna run it in there, take care of the football. You know, you know, now quarterbacks get 15, 20 touchdown passes a year from the 5 yard line in.


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[Assistant] Not only is he just a great person, he's about as amazing at his job as I've ever seen anybody in that position. But one thing I respect about Mike too, is he's uhm, for lack of a better phrase, he's not an ass kisser, he's not afraid to ask some maybe hard questions where I feel like other- And he did! I know he did, and I'm not interested to see this, I didn't see it yet, I heard about it.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, I mean, Mike is always gonna ask the right questions and do the due diligence and homework on these guys. Lance Armstrong's a fascinating topic. Yes, he is. I got to meet him a lot when I was down at Austin, Texas. What'd you think? I mean, he was always great to me. He rode the football out to midfield one time to flip the coin. I mean, not rode the football, rode a bike and brought the game ball out.


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[Assistant] Was me driving around Austin, Texas, maybe in between classes or whatever else.


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[Assistant] And him and the, what was it, the US Postal Service? Yes.


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[Assistant] They were, him and his team would train around the city. And...


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[Assistant] I had a great, greater respect for what they do when I saw how fast they go on those bikes. Oh my gosh. Cause I was driving a car and I'm going, I'm going down the street here and I'm going, whoa. Unbelievable. Look at these ten bikers flying. Who is this? And then I would go, oh my gosh, that's Lance Armstrong. No wonder he's flying.


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[Assistant] Oh, 54 miles per hour to the next quarterback to number 33, Ryan Tannenhill. Yes, backup quarterback for the Tennessee Titans. Okay. Yes, he is. Uh, Ryan Tannenhill. Again. You know, he's a fringe top 32 quarterback in football.


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[Assistant] He did. He did. And, you know, again, you know, I think the very, the very base people, I just want to answer this right now. Oh, Ryan Tanenal over Eli Manning? Yes. Okay. I'm just telling you right now.


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[Assistant] Ryan Tannehill is a better throw with the football at this point of his career. He can push the ball down the field better. He's certainly a better athlete that way. You know, let's take into account that the Miami Dolphins have not set up a dynasty those years in Miami. It wasn't because of Ryan Tannehill, okay? The teams weren't great.


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[Assistant] Hey, listen, you know, again, I mean, of course, I'm not always into win-losses, but as a rookie, he was 7 and 9. The next year is 8 and 8. The next year after that, he was 8 and 8. Then he was 6 and 10. Then 8 and 5 when they went to the playoffs, right? And Matt Moore got to play, uh, in the wild card game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And then last year was 5 and 6 as well.


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[Assistant] You don't lose games because of Ryan Tannehill. I think that's the first thing. You know, are you going to win every game because of Ryan Tannehill? No. But if, you know, he's going to put you in a position more times than not to where he doesn't screw it up. And he's capable of making some big plays down the stretch to win football games, like you said, in some big moments we saw last year.


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[Assistant] You know, in some of those games he fell apart, yeaah, or didn't look good, it's not all him. You know, they were overmatched up in Minnesota. There's going to be certain games where it just doesn't, it doesn't look good because they weren't good enough to kind of compete that way. But yeaah, I view Ryan Tannehill as one of those guys, you know, people,


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[Assistant] Look at like him, Marcus Mariota, okay? You know, I thought about, man, do I mark him up in front of Marcus Mariota? I was wondering. I thought about it, I really was.


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[Assistant] They're not going to fall off because of Ryan Tannehill. You know, there's some things about Tannehill's game, I think he might be a little bit better of a pure passer maybe.


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[Assistant] I like backup quarterbacks that fit the mold of what the team is trying to do with the starting quarterback, and he has a similar skill set to Mario to where, yea, their offense is going to have to change when he comes in the game.


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[Assistant] I think he's gonna be more of the first guy. I don't see it in his DNA to be that guy, you know, to be like, I can play better or start to ruffle feathers within the locker room by, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, telling guys, like, what just happens with some douchey backup quarterbacks, I would have hit that, I would have hit that throw. Or he should have saw that blitz, I would have, I would have got us to that. I had a backup quarterback, I'm not gonna name his name.


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[Assistant] And I wanted to be like, man, this douchebag. And everybody hates that kind of guy. No, they do. This guy had no respect on the team, and I wanted to be like, this is part of the reason, dude, nobody wants to hang out with you is because you do shit like that. They think you're doing it to everybody on the team. Uh, so.


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[Assistant] I don't envision him being like that. I think Ryan Kendall is a really good football player. Uh, I think he handles himself the right way. I think he's gonna have respect for Marcus Mariota, the man he is. And I think he realizes that Mike Vrabel's gonna play the best guy ultimately anyways. And it's a big year for that Tennessee tight. I think he'll just sit in the background, help Marcus Mariota, and just hope he gets a chance to prove what he has.


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[Assistant] I gotta think he's got a little both of those emotions.


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[Assistant] No doubt. Well, I mean, you're not under the microscope and the scrutiny anymore. You're no longer the face of the franchise, which you was in Miami, to where, you know, again, like we were just talking about, you know, fairly or unfairly, when things didn't go good for their offense or they lost, people pointed at, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, he had his own teammate's wife bagging on him forever. And then, I don't know, that teammate's and the teammate's wife went to another team and man, the quarterback play there has been horrible and I haven't heard one thing about that quarterback. So there was people that I thought unfairly piled on to Ryan Tannehill at times.


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[Assistant] That way? Yeaah, of course he wants to play and do all that. But also at the same time you can't- But is it killing him to not play either?


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[Assistant] Okay, this isn't that bad. I mean, hey, you know, I get to hone in on my skills, you know, you know, not be scrutinized daily, but at the end of the day, everybody wants to play. We know that, but I think he's a smart enough guy to maybe look at the brighter side of things too, to go, this is an opportunity for me to get better and I better be ready when my numbers call.


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[Assistant] But like, I don't feel comfortable saying that. If we were here in December and we were going, the Tennessee Titans are going to the playoffs, I'm not going to sit here and go, I can't believe it. I never thought they would make the playoffs. I look at all four teams in the AFC South as like, playoff conversation teams at the very least.


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[Assistant] I know because I'm going to go with Jacksonville because I still think that defense is special with their offensive line being healthy. You know, they got banged up there last year, had a few Knicks and Knacks at wide receiver. They have a better quarterback, you know, got a new offensive coordinator in there. I look at Jacksonville as one of those teams and say, watch out for them this year, you know, and you put them above Houston.


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[Assistant] I think I would right now. I would. I think I would go probably Colts 1 Jags. So I mean, I would not be shocked if two teams went into the playoffs out of that division. Just like we saw last year.


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[Assistant] I really wouldn't be even shocked if we saw three ultimately. I mean, this is that kind of division where I think, you know, if everything fell right, that three could make it.


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[Assistant] When I get back from the tour at the end of July, I sense an AFC South discussion. Uh, what is, it's the, when the basketball, it's the NCAA tournament. So why is it the tour difference then? Why isn't it a deter difference?


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[Assistant] Just throwing that out there, I don't understand it. It's a tournament, is all I'm concerned. It should be, I should emphasize tour, or tour? Oh yeaah, you're saying turr, I don't know what the hell. Can I say turr? When people say, NCA.


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[Assistant] And they're like, well, I say tournament. I was like, and I always would fight back and go, well, do you say tour de France? I don't know. That obviously doesn't make sense.


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[Assistant] That's good. I mean, I remember, you know, growing up and hearing about, you know, uh, the Paul, okay. Yeah. Biking on his last name. Right. Yes. I always had heard about him. Right. I can't say that I ever seen him play. This is an interesting fact. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Do you know why they invented the cradle and the cross? I don't. You don't? No.


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[Assistant] And maybe I'm wrong. Please somebody tell me. But I was told the cradle was invented because of one of the greatest NFL players of all time. Jim Brown. Jim Brown supposedly used to put the ball


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[Assistant] And he would run through everybody and then just take the shot at the end. To where I was told that's why cradling was invented. Because Jim Brown was such a physical specimen, he just realized if I plaster this on me, I'm just gonna run through everybody and they won't be able to stop me.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's cool. Okay. I didn't even mean to do that. We tied it together. Man, we're good. Damn, we're good. Simms and Burmeister. Alright. Alright, we're out. That's a little bit quarterback rankings. I hope everybody enjoyed it.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're gonna continue to unveil my quarterback rankings. Please send the comments in. I'll answer anything you want. We can deep dive, discuss this as we go on more and more.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying I'm perfect or god or anything like that, but I work hard at it and I study it hard. I put a lot of thought into this, uh, and I try to stay away from just, you know, popular opinion or anything like that.


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[Assistant] But for Burmeister Sims, we're out. Everybody have a good weekend. You know where to find me. If you want to watch it, youtube.com slash NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] And Josh Allen interview is out there for everybody. I heard it's good. I've had a lot of friends already text me saying they really enjoyed it. He was a lot of fun to be around. So check that out. Uh, and everybody have a good weekend. See ya.


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[Assistant] That's just my opinion, you know. I hope it's just more than my opinion. I think most of the times when I talk about players, teams, I think I'm giving more facts than opinions.


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[Assistant] I think we did a Thursday night game, Cleveland at Cincinnati. Uh, I can't remember.


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[Assistant] The opposite. Read low to high. George the shortcut quick.


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[Assistant] You know what I say? Uhm, it's always there.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, buddy, what up? Yeaah, I know, I love watching you laugh. Uh, in fact, it's funny that my family, how much they enjoy your giggle too, when you laugh at the stupid shit that I say. But, what's up?


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[Assistant] Chris Sims, Mike Florio, we got the joint collaboration, PFTPM.


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[Assistant] And the Chris Sims unbuttoned. We're gonna do our picks. And just to be totally real here, PFTPM picks absolutely whooped the shit out of Chris Sims unbuttoned picks last week. Let me just say that much. It was a disaster for me, okay? I went 4-11 straight up.


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[Assistant] You went seven and eight straight up. You were seven and seven and one against the spread. I was five, nine and one against the spread.


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[Assistant] You won two out of the three of your best bets. You, you, the Giants, laying the whooping on the Redskins, well done.


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[Assistant] You got the Seattle Seahawks as well, uh, and then you lost the Dallas Cowboys. I won the Seahawks with you, but lost the Indianapolis Colts and the Kansas City Chiefs. So as a horrible week by me and okay week by you.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine anybody had like a great week picking games last week, though, with all the road victories and like the upsets that way, right? I mean, make me feel better, please. Thank you, thank you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know. I know. The only silver lining is I feel like my breakdowns of the games were good. I just came out on the wrong end. Like I was scared of the Eagles Packers game. I said that the eagle, the Packers would score late to win the game.


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[Assistant] And they were on the one yard line, uh, late in the game to win the game and it didn't happen. I mean, I thought the Browns would keep it close. I was scared that they might win, but whatever. Who gives a shit? I sucked. That's all there is to it. Okay. The message. Yes.


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[Assistant] Right, if you have a Chateau de Mike Florio and you have money to piss away like you do, you should bet. That's right, I get it, totally, yes. Uhm, alright, you done, Dad? You done giving everybody their gambling, uh, words of wisdom?


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[Assistant] So. I mean, yeaah, I guess we do. Yes, I do. Alright. Well, we think we know what's going on. Yep, we do. Let's go. Let's get after it.


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[Assistant] Rams at Seahawks, NFC West divisional battle. I mean, huge implications on this, not only for the division, the NFC seedings, playoffs, everything about it.


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[Assistant] The Rams got tore up last week. Uh, the Seahawks, of course, were rolling against the Arizona Cardinals. Go ahead, Mike. You lead this one off. Tell me what you got. Seahawks favored by one and a half over under at 49 and a half for all those out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would not be shocked. Uh, I mean, the thing that scares me here, first of all, Thursday Night Football underdogs are 4-0 at this point of the year. That's pretty unbelievable. But Mike, I know we talked about this during the week and I think you're spot on. I mean, that's the first thing I thought of when I broke down the matchup was the fact that


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[Assistant] Seattle got to play basically a preseason game last week.


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[Assistant] And the Rams had to play a true four quarter. Oh my gosh, we got to put the pedal to the metal to try to come back and make this game competitive and have a chance to win. That takes a lot of energy out of you.


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[Assistant] The Rams defense, a little scary right now. I do think the Bucks found a little bit of a formula last week. They played a lot of big sets on offense, Mike, a lot of two and three tight end sets.


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[Assistant] Made the Rams play base defense. The Rams aren't a team that wants to get big and play that they want to play a nickel and dime and play fast and run around and Wade Phillips wants to create havoc that way. Uh, so that scares me. Okay, the Rams offensive line scares me against Seattle.


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[Assistant] Uh, up there in Seattle, the Seattle Seahawks defense line, we know is better.


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[Assistant] And the Ramso line and running game is worse than we've seen the past two years, which is really probably the biggest reason the Rams are having a little up and down moments on offense. So I'm with you. I'm going Seahawks 24-20. I think it's going to be a good game, but I'm picking the Seahawks to win.


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[Assistant] Now we got Jags at Panthers. Oh baby, you want to talk about a quarterback matchup? We got one for you here. The Guinsoo Minshew versus Kyle Allen. Both guys have been playing really good football. Kyle Allen's two and oh, I think Gardner Minshew is what two and one at this point with his sole loss of the Texans in that game there.


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[Assistant] Jaguar's on the road at the Panthers. Panthers favored by three and a half over and under at 40- 41, excuse me.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm with you there. Uh, the Carolina defense is special. It's fourth in football. Okay. It's one of the best past defenses in all of football. Okay. So I look at it like that and I go, Ooh, I don't know if Gardner Mincher is going to have a lot of


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[Assistant] Uh, success throwing the ball and, but they're not trying to throw for 350 yards and do that. The one thing that concerns me a little bit, you talked about Leonard Fournette as far as the Jacksonville Jaguars, Carolina.


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[Assistant] You know, as far as run defense is concerned, let me just make sure I got it here. Let me, uh, yep, is 24th in football. So they've let up some yards running the football. Uh, that scares me a little bit.


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[Assistant] But I think overall, I still like the matchup of Kyle Allen that off. I think Kyle Allen and the Carolina Panthers offense will be able to create more than Gardner Minshew and the Jags on the road against Carolina, who, like we said, is amazing in past defense. And I would think has a little, um,


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[Assistant] You know, a few wrinkles to slow down the run game nonetheless of the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think this is really low scoring. I think points are at a premium. I'm going Jaguars.


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[Assistant] Uh, to lose this Panthers to win. Sorry. 17 14 really close football game. I think I see like a field goal somewhere four or five minutes left in the fourth quarter to kind of win the game for Kyle Allen and company.