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[Assistant] Not allowing the quarterback and offensive coordinator to ever really get in a rhythm to go, hey, they're playing like this every time we get in this formation. You don't know what


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[Assistant] Just 3D throws. Right. You know, as I, the touchdown, right? Phenomenal throw. I got that, so. That was the lone completion. And, and then, you said it, the interception, which was...


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[Assistant] Kind of like, hey, where's, might show pressure and they drop back and played three man rush and played Tampa two, P Tampa two with a P dropper. So there's eight guys in coverage, a P dropper. You know how the Tampa two linebacker goes way down the middle of the field? Well, and P dropper Tampa two.


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[Assistant] The middle linebacker still goes deep down the field, but one of the D linemen dropped back and replaced where that middle linebacker was so you have somebody underneath too and that point's not voided, right? So now you got


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[Assistant] You know, you're rushing three and you got five underneath and three deep in Tampa too, right? Instead of three deep and four underneath, right? So it makes it tough on a quarterback to find lanes where to throw the ball, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, and then there was one deep post, I want to say, that he threw and ended up being incomplete. But yeah, I mean, again, it goes into a little bit of what we've been talking about with Buffalo, right?


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[Assistant] Don't let him throw bombs and don't let him run around like a crazy man and make all these plays scrambling and then throwing lasers.


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[Assistant] And you can contain the Buffalo offense. And that's what again, what we kind of saw in this one.


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[Assistant] And this way it wasn't necessarily as much with pressure or man-to-man stifling, but just the overall great disguises, changing of coverages, having a plan for Alan, confusing him and Ken Dorsey, and it worked continually throughout the night. Let's name check some of these Bengals, cause you did it


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[Assistant] That's the other problem. That's what stinks about, you know, Buffle a little bit sometimes is they go, they can't run the ball just against the front four. Forget the like, oh, Cincinnati's got to bring people back into the box. They were never worried about that. They didn't ever have to worry about it.


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[Assistant] They were just like, no, you know, our two guys in the middle are like four guys. You guys can't move them. So it's like we got a six man front.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, they give them a great advantage in that they never...


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[Assistant] Or it's rare that they have to go, Hey, we need to put another guy in the box. Those two are great space eaters. They can two gap.


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[Assistant] They can hold their ground against double teams. They can really do it all, let alone when they send three man rushes, they collapse the pocket on Buffalo a few times where you're just like, are you kidding me, Buffalo? You got a three man rush. He should be able to sit back there, pat the ball.


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[Assistant] Manipulate people and he couldn't even do that. He had to get out of the pocket on a few of them because not only were there nowhere to go, but they didn't block the three guys. So then he had no choice and that that's discouraging if you're a Bills fan.


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[Assistant] Cam Taylor-Britt. Cam Taylor-Britt. Their secondary is as fast and athletic as anybody in the NFL. You know, a little bit like we just talked about with the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] You know, they're, they're, between their linebackers and their secondary, it is fast, right? The safeties cover a lot of ground. I still think they're probably getting used to that defense, you know, with, with, uh, Von Bell and, and, um,


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[Assistant] You know, our guy down in Atlanta, uh, Jesse Bates being gone. I think that's part of maybe why their defense struggled early on in the football year and they've led up some big plays. But Dan, their potential.


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[Assistant] And where they're going is scary damn good. And you know, we talked about the DeTacos and of course we know the Passfreshers on the edge and Hendrickson and, and, uh, um, you know, um,


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[Assistant] Same Hubbard, excuse me, I was gonna say Chubba Hubbard. Hubbard are, are, uh, are damn good too.


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[Assistant] So that's where they got it all. There's only one thing that concerns me about the Bengals defense. Lack of depth on their front four. That is something that does bother me. They ask those four to play a lot during the game and there is a drop off when the next group comes in. And that's something I worry about them a little bit with, with, you know, the top teams in football.


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[Assistant] You know, for, for the, what, four to five weeks we're gonna talk about what excites you on the offense. There's never a play or a scheme where you go, wow, that was cool. Number 17 is the only thing you talk about.


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[Assistant] You know, and there's very few plays where the offense delivers anything, right? You know, good plays are him sliding or buying time.


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[Assistant] And then throwing a laser. That's what it is. I never sit there and go, wow, that was cool. Ooh, this is a cool little thing they brought to the table here and are playing other plays off of. So that's something that continues to bother me about this, you know, Bill's offense and I don't know really what they're going to do to remedy it.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm blown away by CJ Stratt. The love grows. The love is, it's real. I mean...


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[Assistant] The patience, the accuracy, the quickness of the release, the ability to throw in the run, all of it are out of this world incredible for a rookie. I mean they are. And then, you know, like you've heard me say too, there's so many good


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[Assistant] Most rookies, you know, get in a fetal position and just go, okay, I'm going to take the sack or, you know, they try to run around with like a chicken with their head cut off a little and try to do something. He's like resets to the right spot and knows where his check down is and gets it out real quick or throws the ball at somebody's feet just to get it out in time to not take the sack.


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[Assistant] That's where I'm just amazed by it, right? So, and then like I talked about, his ability to push the ball down the field was such ease.


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[Assistant] Right? It's like 20 yard outroutes. It might as well be a 4 yard outroute. The way in which he can throw it. The accuracy in which the location he puts it. It's, it's through the roof good.


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[Assistant] And this is again, this is not an offense that's like, hey, we're throwing a screen and he got 50 and oh, here's another short pass and he ran for 40. Every throw is 15, 20, 25 yards down the field.


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[Assistant] And he just puts it on the money with one good decision after another. And I think that's where I'm just like...


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[Assistant] After the catch and maximize what's there to be gained after the catch. That's incredible. So, you know, that's where I'm just amazed by it. He's one of the best play action quarterbacks in football and he's one of the best downfield throwers in football already, right? And, you know,


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[Assistant] I just, like I said, I think he's as good a rookie quarterback as I've ever seen in my life.


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[Assistant] You know, it's another lesson like we talk about with rookie quarterbacks sometimes where all they always go, let's manage them, let's throw it short and get the bottom of his hands.


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[Assistant] Here's a great example of, no, let's let the field spread out. Let's let the young quarterback not have everybody jumbled up in one area and be able to see things a little bit. So that's where I love it. They don't give up on the run. Even in this game, they didn't run the ball very well.


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[Assistant] You know, and that would be one thing I'd look at on Tampa's asp side of the ball. Tampa kept playing defenses for a period of time where I was like, wait, wait.


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[Assistant] Are they confused in who they're playing? Do they think they're playing the 93 Cowboys? I mean, there's a few times during the game where you're like, Todd Bowles, what are you guys doing?


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[Assistant] There's nine guys at the line of scrimmage. He's already thrown for 280 yards. They can't run the ball back off and play past the events. Like, what are you doing? Right? So that played into this a little as well, but yeah, I think it's the perfect offense for him.


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[Assistant] You know, and they're managing him the right way. They're managing without managing him, right? If that makes sense. He doesn't have the whole playbook. They're not like, hey, here's the ball, throw the ball all over the place every play. They've done that when they've had to in football games.


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[Assistant] But even when they have to, they still try to, hey, let's keep a guy in the block. Hey, let's still work the play action. Even though we haven't run the ball worth a damn and we're down by 10 points here, it's still a nice thing for our quarterback. It makes them feel protected. It opens up the field a little bit. So that's where I really love it. And then, you know,


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[Assistant] Hot routes, dump offs, throwaways, always knows where to go, right? His accuracy and arm strength will make you defend every inch of the field, right? And McCollum, number 27, at the end of the football game, he learned that. Because that last 25-yard outroute that set them up for the touchdown, I mean, McCollum, number 27,


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[Assistant] What was he thinking? I mean, just let him throw underneath. He backed off with pretty good distance. I think he was at a spot where he was like,


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[Assistant] He ain't gonna throw this. I'm here. This guy is just a few feet from me. Right?


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[Assistant] He's not going to do this and if he does throw he's not going to be able to get this in here. And then CJ Stroud just boom lets it go right on rhythm and of course puts it in the perfect spot. And the perfect spot beat McCollum and his body positioning which wasn't that bad like I said. And that of course set up the double pose for the touchdown, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, little X's in those, football, little things about some defenses out there that make them good, bad, and whatever else. Uh, we got some exciting matchups in week 10.


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[Assistant] We'll be talking about him tomorrow on Pro Football Talk Live in the morning with Florio and then we'll break him down even more with the Chris Sims on button PFTPM collaboration of our joint picks podcast with Mike Florio. Ahmed, you were the man as always. Thanks for driving the ship.


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[Assistant] Thanks for making me sound intelligent as much as you can. That's a hard job. Everybody be good. You know where to find us. Keep sending in the questions, the thoughts.


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[Assistant] Challenge me, you know I love it. Okay. Philadelphia fans, calm down. I was just bringing up food for thought on the catch rule at the end zone. I picked you guys to win the game and to be one of the best bets of the day. Chill out. Chill out. You don't have to hate me because I was bringing up a conversation that's broader to football. Alright.


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[Assistant] Plenty good about your team and Jalen Hurts all the time. Alright, everybody be good. Peace out. Clap it up. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Busy-ish trade deadline, for multiple reasons. I mean, there was a lot of guys moved that we thought would be moved. I think the bigger story was that Washington ended up moving both of their past rushers. Agreed, agreed. But of course, we are gonna start it, uhm, and I'm still laughing at the bangles thing, because I was telling Pete before we started the show, I was like, Chris has always said bangles.


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[Assistant] I honestly, when you grow up that way, it's hard to change just for broadcasting. Like I grew up with New York City parents. My dad, they're both born in Brooklyn. They also lived in Staten Island. My dad worked in the Bronx his whole life, so it was just a mesh of every New York City accent. So I would say things and not know that's not really the perfect pronunciation. It's too late. It's too late.


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[Assistant] Listen, let's jump into the hashtag Ask Me Anything because the news around this is very noteworthy because it happened when we were asleep on the East Coast with everything going on with the Raiders. They fire Josh McDaniels. They fire their GM Dave Ziegler.


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[Assistant] They also fired their offensive coordinator, Nick Lombardi. So, Antonio Piers, former New York Giants legend. He's going to be the interim head coach.


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[Assistant] I think to me it all goes back to your original point is that they don't have a quarterback that they were saying this is going to be the guy and I am going to develop this guy. Jimmy Garoppolo is king bridge quarterback right now. There's nothing wrong with that. I know he gets crushed by everyone. Jimmy can be your bridge quarterback while you're waiting for that guy on the roster to eventually play.


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[Assistant] I'll say this, do you think it goes back to maybe they should have been more aggressive in this draft? Because everybody, I mean if I know it, everyone knows it. At 7, there wasn't going to be one of those top 3 guys there.


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[Assistant] It feels like the biggest selling point to keeping McDaniels going into this year was how Mac Jones looked when McDaniels left, right? Where you can argue and say, well, I mean, obviously knows how to coach offense. We saw some of it with his first year with the Raiders, but like you said, this offense hasn't been good this year for a variety of reasons. And it kind of all came to a pinnacle.


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[Assistant] Obviously in the prime time game where the misses of Devontae Adams over his head and just the frustration of the team and everything like that.


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[Assistant] Our first one here is from Isaac. He says, Jim Harbaugh to the Raiders. Harbaugh started his coaching career with Al Davis. He was suspended at Michigan already this year. He might be suspended again with the sign stealing scandal.


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[Assistant] Also, Mark Davis loves splashy moves with hiring coaches. There was a report last week that the NFL might impose a suspension on Jim Harbaugh if he tries to return.


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[Assistant] Alright, I was just laughing at the graphic we showed. There'll be a trivia question one day of like, the 13 year span of the Raiders. Where Rick Versace is. It is amazing. Is the winningest coach alongside Jack Tarantino.


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[Assistant] And now they start the process early, where they're gonna be, everybody knows that job is open, they'll start openly vetting candidates.


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[Assistant] Speaking of a franchise in a similar mold of how you kind of describe the Raiders, the Washington Commanders. I mean, that's how, maybe a little bit before their greatness was, but they're another one where you look at and you just go, what has happened in this century?


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[Assistant] The Washington commander is obviously a big headliner of trade deadline day, not because of who they acquired, but who they've traded away. The 49ers acquired Chase Young from the commanders for a third round


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[Assistant] Knowing him, I would think he finishes it out, but man, it's a, it's a weird situation for sure. And we'll get more into the actual players that Chase Young and Montesue are, but this next question from Adam Blackhall. Hey Gabby, Pete, Connor and crew as an Eagles fan.


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[Assistant] Young to the 49ers is my least favorite. We're about to see a guy who's been underperforming relative to expectation absolutely light it up, aren't we?


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[Assistant] And make no mistake about it, Chase Young has been really good this year. Yes he has. It's time for Inside the Numbers powered by AWS and from Next Gen Stats when...


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[Assistant] You look at what he's done. He's generated a career high 17.2% pressure rate this season. That's seventh highest in the NFL. The 49ers now have two of the top five defenders in quarterback pressures this season, Chris, and we know


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[Assistant] The way these front fours are played in this scheme, I mean, you can really only dedicate help to one guy. It feels like the opportunity for Chase Young will now be, and I know he played in a good front with the commanders, but if, I don't know, it just feels with Chris Kisarek and the Niners and what they're gonna be asking them to do, this is a really good home for him. Definitely. Perfect home for him.


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[Assistant] This is a second round pick that should be a top 40 pick. It feels like no brainer it's going to be a top 40 pick. So this first one, uh, this first one from I won the mums with the commanders now having five picks in the first three rounds next year. Do you think they have their eye on a specific coach and or GM? I don't think so yet.


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[Assistant] That was Inside the Numbers powered by AWS. Some more questions here regarding Montez Sweat. This one from Nath Jacobson.


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[Assistant] But a third for Young makes sense. Surely they're at least worth the same. If not, Young should be worth more. Also, why didn't the Seahawks go for Young if he was available for that price? I think that was everybody's thought when the trade went through. Everybody.


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[Assistant] And thinking way too far ahead, they might already be thinking, one of those top five picks we're gonna have, we could trade out and get that pick back anyway.


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[Assistant] Alright, this one about the commanders from Neilmo2010. What's up homies? Do you think the Washington D-line can still be a problem after losing Sweatt and Young? I think Sweatt especially is a big loss for that line. Your thoughts?


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[Assistant] We'll show it on the field. The last big trade here. We kind of hinted at this one. The Seahawks acquire Leonard Williams from the Giants for a second round pick this year and then 2025 fifth round pick. Our first question is from Tampa to Tampa to coach.


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[Assistant] I actually love when you and Connor team up. Don't you think the Seahawks would have been better off with one of those Washington edge rushers over Leonard Williams? I think a lot of people are missing though. The Seahawks won I think. Their young edge rushers are


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[Assistant] Our next Seahawks question is from Mehmet305. Does the potential possibility of resigning Leonard Williams in the offseason have any influence on the Seahawks to prefer him over the sweater young who got traded for less?


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[Assistant] Let's take a look at the NFC at, uh, West Odds and the upcoming schedule courtesy of our friends at Giraffe Kings, of course. When you look at the Niners there on the left, they are on the buy. They got Jacksonville, the Bucks at Seattle. That is a NBC and Peacock game at the Eagles and then the Seahawks again.


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[Assistant] The Seahawks, of course, they have the Ravens. Tough week 9 for them. The Commanders, ironically, as we talked about a lot today. At the Rams, 49ers. Once again, Cowboys, 49ers.


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[Assistant] Oh man. Alright, some breaking news here on the, uh, on the show. The Raiders will start rookie Aiden O'Connell at quarterback over Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah. I mean, if you did all the other things, this was obviously the logical probably next move, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's basically one of those things where there's a massive roster bonus due in 2024. So when you're looking at, if he's designated as a post-June 1st cut after this year,


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[Assistant] They would save 13 million on the cap, but it would cost them over 15.5 million to do that. But I wouldn't be shocked, honestly. They just take the savings and call it... I think so. I think that's what we're doing.


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[Assistant] Does the DPJ trade from the Browns to Lions speak to the lack of development by Jameson Williams? Feels like they play the same role. Also need Pete- I always say- I mess up his last name like you do too.


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[Assistant] This next one from Kurusu, with the Bills acquiring cornerback Razul Douglas and a 5th round pick for a 3rd round pick, he asked, Bills trading for corner instead of wide receiver, good decision?


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[Assistant] They don't, they don't trust a lot of their young corners. I mean, they obviously use the first on Kyriellum. They never trusted him. You can tell they don't. No. They don't want to play him. No.


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[Assistant] You know, it's interesting. I thought that they would maybe look to move Carl Lawson or Dalvin Cook just because they don't play a lot. Really? But at the end of the day, I'm sure nobody probably wanted them. I think that would be number one for me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, agree with you, there's not going to be a market for that. There's no market. And what he's making, money-wise, no way. And then going out and getting someone, that's where it's tricky, because the Jets, you know, they're running out of players on the offensive line. The only guy that really got moved yesterday was Ezra Cleveland. They brought Roger Saffold in on the practice squad. I always say this when people ask this, and I think it's a totally fair question.


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[Assistant] There are no offensive linemen at the trade deadline. There's barely any during camp cuts.


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[Assistant] This is a league starving for offensive line. Honestly, I'm at the point with offensive line play in the NFL where if I was going into a draft with all seven of my picks every year, I think I would mandate three of them should be on the offensive line. I'm getting closer to that point where I would take at least one guy that I think can play in year one and then at least another, maybe two guys that are developmental athletes.


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[Assistant] You know how every draft we always start a quarterback scouting report with, like, comes from a pro-style offense? You should almost be doing that now with offensive linemen. Some of these guys that come out aren't even taking true pass sets. It's all quick game, it's all, you know, three-step drop.


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[Assistant] This last Jets one from MirriJets. Why didn't the Jets go get a wide receiver such as Cortland, Sutton, Jerry, Judy, Darnell, Mooney, or even Hunter, Renfro? Garrett Wilson seems to be the only guy that can get open and not drop passes. Thanks guys, I'm happy I get another pod with the Connor and Chris duo.


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[Assistant] And the Jets just went through this with Braxton Barrios and Elijah Moore. They were small at wide receiver of the Jets, and then they made it a mission to not be small anymore. They have Xavier Gibson out there, an undrafted free agent, but that's a little different on an investment. So, I mean, yea, it goes back to the point of you just don't really know what's available.


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[Assistant] And realistically, they could just tag Saquon again. I know that kinda stinks, but that's the reality of the position right now, where it's not like, it's not a situation, the commanders probably saw it with their DNs, they're like, we're not gonna be able to pay this whole defensive line.


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[Assistant] The Giants aren't looking at Saquon Barkley like, well he's walking at the end of the year, let's get something. They'll just retain team control if they have to.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, what's up everybody, it's Chris Sims, it's Chris Sims, Ahmed Farid is here, he can r-r-r-read today. He's wearing a burnt orange sweater for my Texas Longhorns, I appreciate that, supporting.


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[Assistant] News breaking, we got stuff to answer from the homies, so we got a good one to deliver, uh, hopefully everybody else will enjoy it too. What's up man, how you doing? Good, we got new, we actually have news here. News, like the shocking news ended at the end of my pro football talk, we're doing a draft and Florio's like,


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[Assistant] Hey, we gotta end this right now. We're only gonna do two rounds cause I got breaking news and I was like, okay, like I'm intrigued. And then it went to another level. Of course we go to commercial time out there and I see the news and I'm blown away. I'll let you break it. Did he, did he know the news? He knew the news.


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[Assistant] No, he can't, he can't compete with Shifter in that department. Shifter's got a hotline to like most owners and GMs, and Mike's not really that guy anyways. Mike's more of the dissect the news, right? And, you know,


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[Assistant] And there's a part of me that's like maybe, was this injury there? That's what I would, I wonder already. Like was it something that was there that they missed and didn't see? Either way, it's pretty remarkable that he could have that injury and still throw the ball the way he did in the second half of the football game.


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[Assistant] I mean, he got off to a rough start early on in that Baltimore Ravens game. In the second half, he was very efficient and made some big time plays, took care of the ball, did things the right way. But like, I just can't get over it.


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[Assistant] You know, every time we think the guy's about to turn the corner and kind of get into a groove and go, okay, hey, he's starting to look good.


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[Assistant] You know, we're seeing some plays here that make us, you know, perk up and go, wow, Deshaun Watson looks damn good. Something happens, you know, injury related, whatever. And a huge, huge blow to the Cleveland Browns. The Browns, as we saw last week,


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[Assistant] You know, I think what you saw with Watson, they started to, you know, you started to think like, hey, that win there.


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[Assistant] They're capable of playing offense like that and he can continue to get better. Like they're a Super Bowl caliber football team. We went through the exercise last week, right?


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[Assistant] You know, you break down their team, you go, D-line, one of the best in football. You know, they got J-O-K at linebacker, who's an all-pro for me right now. And the rest of the linebackers aren't bad either. This secondary is phenomenal, right? The O-line is phenomenal. They have a phenomenal tight end. They have good, real good receivers and good running backs. They have no weakness on their football team.


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[Assistant] And, you know, all you were kind of waiting for is his health consistency on offense and you go watch out there a juggernaut.


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[Assistant] That's all we were all kind of waiting for and now we're back into DTR, PJ Walker, I don't know who the quarterback's gonna be and it's gonna be more pressure on the defense and Strugglesville for the offense at least we think until they can prove to us that they can play, you know, at a consistently high


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[Assistant] P.J. Walker and hopefully he can grow on some of the things that he did earlier in the year.


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[Assistant] When they beat the 49ers and, you know, when he had to come in and beat the Colts, right? And, uh, they had that football game and it was a lot of fun to watch. It's not perfect and he certainly has a little bit of a problem turning the football over. We saw that with the Carolina Panthers last year. That's the big thing that scares you.


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[Assistant] That's your option, because the other option is a guy that is inexperienced, he's young, and he also has a-


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[Assistant] So I think they stay the course here with, with, uhm, Walker being the quarterback. DTR will be the backup. I would think they try to sign some veteran type of guy or anybody out there that they could feel like could just round out the room.


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[Assistant] I got, I have to look at practice squad and who's on those rosters as well. Uh, but yeah, they're going to have to go there and, and just hope that they can manage the game the right way at the quarterback position now, which stinks when you have a talented team like they do.


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[Assistant] I forgot the name of the glenoid, right? The glenoid is like the little spot where like


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[Assistant] The ball of your arm goes into like your scapula, the back of your shoulder. It's like on the front side of that. So it's facing forward, but it's on the back of your body. And it sounds like he's got a little bit of a.


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[Assistant] This isn't long term. It's not like a, yeah, I don't think it's like, it's not like a labrum where you're like, Oh man, this, he might not be ready to start next season or anything like that. This is something that I would think that off season he'll still be good to go. But it's just not, you know,


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[Assistant] This is a long time. This is two years of a big contract that they haven't really seen a return for what they've done. Forget the money they're paying. All the assets they traded away to get them.


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[Assistant] I mean, what was it, three first, two seconds, and some other mid-round picks, right, to go along with it, let alone the money. So here we are going to go into year three and we haven't really seen much in return from that way. You know, yes, that's concerning, let alone I think your point is what we've been talking about.


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[Assistant] You know, that's all we worried about this in pre-season, right? It's just, he's gotta play, he's gotta get back on the bike, he's gotta learn, you know.


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[Assistant] To feel the pass rush, to when to get off the first read and when to scramble and, you know, when to hang in there because I see a guy coming open. You know, those are little nuances that only playing can make you feel comfortable with. And, you know, like I said, every time I think he's getting close, something else happens. Three firsts.


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[Assistant] In fact, I'm actually shocked that some of those odds weren't better before this injury.


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[Assistant] Right, with like, how we just broke it down, the talent of their team.


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[Assistant] Uh, the fact that yeaah, they just went into Baltimore and beat a team that, you know, I think a lot of people looked at and said they're the best team in football right now. You know, I know the Eagles are right there with them. Uh, so yeaah, this is, this is a big deal. Now, what I will say is even though a lot of those things and issues change, no doubt about it,


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[Assistant] Whether to win the AFC North, win the AFC, go to the Super Bowl, certainly don't think them as the same. I will say.


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[Assistant] They've gotten a lot of their hard games out of the way. Now, it's, it's not perfect here. The Steelers, as we know this week, big rivalry game, which is gonna be an ugly, low-scoring defensive affair, which Cleveland, I don't care who plays at quarterback, is com- could be comfortable in that setting. They got the Broncos the week after that.


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[Assistant] Where, hey, the Broncos are playing better football, but I still think Cleveland's the better football team, more talent on the field. You got the Rams, right? Another team that I'd go, talent on the field, yea, they got them beat.


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[Assistant] You got the Jaguars, okay, that's one, that's a different story. The Jaguars are good, we know that. But then it's the Bears, the Texans, the Jets, you know, what I'm saying is there's a lot of games that will,


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[Assistant] Could fit into, hey, PJ Walker, we don't need you to take over the world here, throw for 150 yards, don't throw any interceptions, don't even throw any touchdowns. Doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] Just get us a few first downs. We'll run the ball. We'll have a trick play. Our defense will probably set us up to score a point or two once or twice during the football game and try to follow that formula.


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[Assistant] There's ever a year where MVP, in my opinion, is up for grabs. Like, there's no clear-cut quarterback to look at on one of the best teams right now and go, oh yeaah, they definitely got it locked up. I mean, as you've heard me say.


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[Assistant] And I'm not gonna get off of it. The MVP for the first 10 weeks of football is the guy wearing number 10 at wide receiver for the Miami Dolphins. He's the guy we talk about the most through the first 10 weeks. He's the guy that has the most highlights at the end of the first two weeks. Statistically, he's doing it. You talk to any coach that plays the Miami Dolphins, the first thing out of their mouths is,


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[Assistant] You know, I feel like if the year continues the way it is and there's no clear cut runner at quarterback, if they just get into the playoffs with their situation and he has, let's just say 20 sacks and you know, he's already, I think he already has like four or five forced fumbles and he gets another four or five down the stretch.


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[Assistant] That might even be enough to throw him into the conversation to where he gets some major votes in this one. We'll see where it goes. Or we'll see if a quarterback catches fire here the last eight weeks of the year and then just puts


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[Assistant] I don't fault them for trading Josh Jobs when they did, right? I mean, Watson is a guy that for the most part has played a lot of football when he was, you know, he hasn't been hurt much in his career. So that was one thing. And then I think they had two


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[Assistant] You know, other guys that they went, okay, PJ Walker's not a bad backup. He's got some talent, you know, might not be in the trust tree.


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[Assistant] As much as like, uh, as Joshua Dobbs, but I think enough to where they were like, Oh, for a fifth rounder. Okay. We'll, we'll do that. And plus I think they really liked DTR and where he was at. So it was a little bit of like how many roster spots we got. Ooh, you'll give us a fifth rounder.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know if they were necessarily in love with Dobbs either, right? Uh, so yeah, I mean, he certainly would have been nice now, but now it's, they're relegated to guys on the street and that's all there is to it because they can't trade. We know the deadline's over and they're kind of stuck with what they got there.


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[Assistant] I was surprised. I didn't think it was going to happen right now. I did not think that. No. I mean, I, you know, I kind of looked at it as one of these things like, yeah, Ken Dorsey and


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[Assistant] He's on the hot seat and they gotta play well down the stretch and they gotta look really good on offense or he's gonna have his butt fired when the season's over.


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[Assistant] I did not think it was going to happen here at the end of week 10. You know, after a Monday night game on a Tuesday morning and all of a sudden, boom, we're going to make the switch. I was not expecting that. I was not. But, you know, I think there is panic up there in Buffalo. I think, you know, one, the national media is all over this story to begin with. Why are they not as good?


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[Assistant] Right? Why are they not in the playoffs? Why isn't Josh Allen looked as good? Why isn't the offense more explosive? And then I think even more localized in Buffalo, there's even a more of a spotlight on this issue.


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[Assistant] And it's gotten, it's dissected ten times more than it is in the national media up in Buffalo. So they've had issues with it as well.


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[Assistant] You know, so I think when, when they look at it, one, yeah, hey, Alan is not playing as good as we know he can play.


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[Assistant] Right? Where Alan was always a magic man in my opinion up until like halfway through last year was that he could toe that line of aggressive and reckless, right? And he would just stay on the aggressive side while I was getting close to the reckless side. And it just was just perfect. It really was.


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[Assistant] But he hurt his arm last year against the New York Jets. You know, they hit some struggles and he got too loose with the football and nobody ever reigned him in. Right. And I think that's first off where I would go. That's where day ball was definitely different than Dorsey.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen is a superstar. I mean, we know that. His talent is second to none, right? He can make a lot of crappy plays look really good.


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[Assistant] And to me, that's the big difference is there's a lot more of that going on now with Dorsey than there was with Brian Dable. Right? You heard me say before the thing, I said, you know,


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[Assistant] They didn't go through moments of games or everything like that, and especially in big football games where you felt like, man, the offense has no answers. They're not doing anything. You didn't, you didn't feel like that, right? You know, with Dorsey, I kind of want to say they kind of feasted on the weak.


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[Assistant] And when it came to better defenses, it became, oh, if Josh Allen can't make it happen, then it's just not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Let alone, some of those statistics are BS, right? You know, a lot of, there's some end of the game bullshit yards that are on there that I would, I, we could got dissect and go through here and I'd go, you know, yeah, they're, they're going on the yardage book, but when the game was competitive and they needed to put up yards, they couldn't do it. Now the team's playing prevent cause they're winning.


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[Assistant] And now we're adding stats, you know. Ken Dorsey's in the get.


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[Assistant] Ken Dorsey's gonna get credit for what Josh Allen did at the end of the...


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[Assistant] Uh, the New York Giants game, right? The New York Giants game. Hey, they drove down twice and scored when they needed to have it. I mean, come on, anybody who watched that, there was a 17-play, 89-yard drive and a 12-play, 75-yard drive where it was literally Josh Allen play after play after play making magic. The offense never delivered anything for him there.


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[Assistant] So, that to me is the big difference there, is there's been more pressure on Alan. Alan is phenomenal. He's great.


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[Assistant] In a lot of ways, he's better than he was two years ago. And that's why he can make chicken salad out of chicken shit better than now.


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[Assistant] You know, it's also leading him to be having to be more aggressive, feel the burden more, try to make more plays. And then the fact that like we talked about, what else, what other thing are we talking about on the offensive side with Buffalo? Like what is it, if you were breaking them down or how to play them that you're going, we have to worry about this aspect, right?


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[Assistant] The talent needs to be more. We know that. You're right. We've been banging the table for that, right? I mean, on both sides of the ball, right? That's where I would argue too is another thing that gets thrown under Josh Allen. He doesn't even have the playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. Some of the other superstar quarterbacks have. That would be the other thing.


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[Assistant] You know, Joe Burrow's defense has come up clutch in some big moments when he hasn't played good and they win the game and nobody blames it on Joe Burrow because we just go, hey they won, that's it.


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[Assistant] Mahomes went the whole second half. They couldn't move the ball in the Miami Dolphins. They still won the game because of their defense, made some plays and whatever else. That's how they won it. You can give them good field positions sometimes. I mean, there's just, you, you can go through it. Jalen Hurts has won some game with Philadelphia where I go, they weren't that great, but the defense was amazing all game and made plays and set them up to have the ball.


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[Assistant] You know, it's fours, threes, and outs. Josh Allen has not had the benefit of that, you know.


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[Assistant] And even though, even though the defense being statistically high ranked for a lot of these years too, it never was dominant against any of the good offenses or when we got into the playoff football, you never felt like, oh man, they're going to shut them down today. That was never, it was again, they were a little bit feast on the poor too. Talent is an issue there to your point. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] But I still think when you break it down and you look at it, where it's different is,


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[Assistant] The day ball offense gave answers and you would watch it and there was a flow in the offense of.


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[Assistant] Ooh, I like what they're attacking. I like what they're setting up. Ooh, they ran this play. Ooh, they ran this play. Ooh, they ran that play, but it looked like this play. Oh, they ran, oh, they ran that play, but it looked like this play and that play before, but it's another play, right?


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[Assistant] And I'm trying to be cute here and explain it in a simple way to where


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[Assistant] With Dorsey, it looked like, ugh, I like this shotgun play. Let me go to the next, let me spin the Rolodex. Ooh, I like this screen. I don't know why, but I just like it. Oh, I like this pass because Diggs is fast and Alan can throw rockets.


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[Assistant] And to me is where there's just not enough surgicality in the offense, which I used to see with day ball, right?


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[Assistant] Where it was things were set up, or if there was a third and four, it was a cute design play to get a six or seven yard completion and get the first down.


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[Assistant] You know, there's none of that now. And there's no tying of plays together. And like we said, I think a few weeks ago, there's just, I watch games and I go, what are they trying to accomplish other than just let Josh Allen go off?


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[Assistant] And we've been saying since the Jacksonville game in London, which I think was the start of the downfall because I think they laid the groundwork for everybody out there where they, sometimes it's all it takes in the NFL. One team watches film of the week before and then, oh, there's two teams had done it.


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[Assistant] And everybody did the same thing. We showed highlights of the Broncos game today on the show. It's the same thing. It's don't let them throw 50 yard bombs and don't let them run around. And if you do that, oh, so what James Cook ran for 70 yards, we don't give a shit. That ain't going to beat us, right?


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[Assistant] So that's where it has changed that way. The game has become all about stopping one guy, and I think McDermott understands, wait, my quarterback's going the wrong way.


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[Assistant] There's dysfunction in our locker room and in our fan base because of our offense and this is not sustainable for us to make a run here down the stretch or if we do get in the playoffs for me to think we're going to beat one of these good playoff teams with how we're playing and I think that's probably why he made the change.


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[Assistant] Like, we're gonna do this, we're gonna stick with it, and if it maybe looks a little uglier on offense, so be it. But we're gonna be a little more conservative, detailed, and not as free-willing and let Josh Allen just do whatever.


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[Assistant] And that to me is another part of this conversation where it kind of went off the rails too. Just let me give you a little nuance as far as just my experience a little.


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[Assistant] You know, where it's different, like Dayball comes in and he's been in New England. He was at Alabama, right? He was the offensive coordinator for the Dolphins at one point.


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[Assistant] Right? So he's got a, and we're not buddies. I don't know him. So he comes in and he's the general and he tells me what to do and I get stepped in line and hey, this is how we're playing football. Right? Now at that time, his quarterback coach is Ken Dorsey.


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[Assistant] You know, your quarterback coach, when you got a guy like Brandon, it's like your buddy, right? He's coaching you, but you know, he's also, you're in the room with him every day and he's also like trying to make you feel better and you're having life conversations and you know, you talk about ball and whatever else. Oh wait, now he's your boss? He's your boss, now he's the OC.


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[Assistant] He's still kinda like your buddy and I feel like there's not quite the drill sergeant


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[Assistant] The office of coordinator, he's still your buddy. And, oh, it's, it's double coverage, but I threw it. My buddy's not going to get too mad at me over there. Dayball would have fucking ripped me a new asshole, but my buddy is going to be like, hey, don't worry. We'll get them next time. Right. And so that has an effect too. And I feel like that's kind of what happened as well there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, as time went on and just a little bit too relaxed and looseness with the football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and of course, Aaron's also in year 19. That's a little different too. And Aaron is at the point of his career where he's too conservative, right? And we've like, it's like, no, Aaron, take a chance every now and then. I know you threw five interceptions, but you also left 50 big plays out there on the field last year, whatever. So there's a little difference in where they are in the arc of their career.


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[Assistant] I'm a huge Sean McDermott fan. A huge Sean McDermott fan.


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[Assistant] They've been at the top of the sport for four years now. That's not that easy. I know they didn't win a Super Bowl, but everybody acts like winning a Super Bowl is like, hey, I want one. Okay, here you go. Right? I mean, it's the NFL. It's the most competitive league in the world right now. It's set up for it to be as even as possible. Right? So, you know,


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[Assistant] I wouldn't make that move. I wouldn't. You know, to me...


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[Assistant] Hey, are there some mistakes McDermott has made? Sure, it's not been perfect. I understand that.


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[Assistant] You know, you talked about some of the stuff at the end of the game there the other night, whatever, the Kansas City 13 seconds, you know, we can say there's been some problems there too.


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[Assistant] The fact that he recognized Josh Allen, who was who he was, and as a defensive coach said, let's unveil this, right? Let's not play, I'm a defense guy, I'd like to run the ball and play through our defense, but he's so damn good.


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[Assistant] Forget all that crap, we're gonna ride him a little bit. He's done a lot of unbelievable things that way.


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[Assistant] You know, to me, the Josh Allen effect has hurt their football team a little bit in this way. That he's so good, let's spread the wealth around the football team. And to me, where you know I'm all into, let's make one part of the team really elite.


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[Assistant] Let's get another awesome receiver with Ja, and then that'll change the way teams have to play us all together, right? And to me, that's again, back to that conversation where, you know, Brandon Bean's done a great job building the team.


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[Assistant] But do I wish he'd done a little bit more in acquiring like blue chip difference makers? Yes!


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[Assistant] Cuz it's too hard always to just go, we're gonna execute the right way, their coaches are gonna call the right play, and we're gonna win the game like that way. The only team I've ever seen be able to do that on a consistent basis is New England.


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[Assistant] Everybody else has got to figure out, hey, we've got to figure out a way, somebody's got to make a play for us every now and then. I'll do all those other things and we'll be detailed and have a good game plan and all that, but still, somebody's got to make a freaking play, right? And that's to me where they've missed out.


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[Assistant] You know, that, that is, there is no Nick Bosa, there's no Mike Parsons, you know. There's no Trey Hendrickson. There's no DJ Reader. There's no Chris Jones, of course. Right?


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[Assistant] You know, and then when you lose a Matt Milano, it accentuates it even more, right? So I feel like they passed the shelf life of their team a little bit. They held onto this team a little long, right? Where we talked about Kansas City, they went to Super Bowl, Super Bowl, lost an AFC Championship game to the Bengals that they probably should have won, and they said, you know what?


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[Assistant] Tough decision, but I think we need to flip the team over right now, even though we've been good, right? And they became the youngest team in football last year and then won the Super Bowl, which is amazing. So I think they're coming to the end of the shelf life with this team a little bit. I would not fire McDermott. Again, I will say it again.


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[Assistant] Ben Johnson, of course, would be a great replacement. I mean, if they were going to do that to answer the question.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Ben Johnson is going to be a head coach this year if he decides he wants to be. And he is a guy.


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[Assistant] Again, I mean, do we think Jared Goff's as good as Josh Allen? Absolutely not. But his numbers and stats are all going to look as good or better because he gives him a ton of opportunities and advantages to look good.


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[Assistant] Let alone he plays through the run game, right? That's what he does. And that's to me, again, where a lot of teams are dropping the ball right now because


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[Assistant] Almond, if you break down the top offenses in football right now, most of them are run first football teams. We know Kansas City's not. Miami, okay, will say they're pass first, but they're what? The second best running team in football, right? So it's not like they let you off the hook. A lot of the pass game too.


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[Assistant] Exactly, the screens, the little speeds, shovel passes, all that, right? But you look at, here, let me just rattle off the top 10 offenses in football. Dolphins, Lions, 49ers, Cowboys, Eagles, Texans, Bills, Chiefs, Ravens, Vikings, okay?


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[Assistant] The Dolphins we can argue, I'd say it's pretty balanced, okay, but the Lions, the 49ers, the Cowboys, the Texans, and the Ravens are all run-first football teams.


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[Assistant] You gotta have somebody special and some other special things to just go, Oh, we're going to be in the shotgun and throw the ball and win the game that way all the time. And that to me is the trap that they have fallen into a little bit with Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Now, one more thing we need to hit on, I think to be fair. The turnovers.


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[Assistant] And there's some of that, there's no doubt, like we said, it's gone over the aggressive line to reckless a few too many times lately, right? But what I also say is, you know, when you're asking the one guy to be the show all the time,


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[Assistant] He's gonna flub every now and then. There's gonna be- when there's that type of pressure on one guy to make everything happen all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, one, I think he's the kind of guy that puts the pressure on himself and like, wait, we haven't moved the ball here. I got to jump start us and make it happen. That hurts him, certainly. But then, you know, the other thing too is the turnover thing, as I've argued in the past, is a little overblown.


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[Assistant] Right? It's not 2007 anymore where you have to be like only five interceptions or you can't win. The game has changed a little bit. It's more about explosive plays, making big plays, right? And that's where the game has changed. So, you know, I know he's throwing a lot of interceptions, but it's what? Two more than Jalen Hurts?


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[Assistant] Three more than twoa? It's not like it's insane. Everybody's acting like it's, you know, and, and, and then, you know, the, the people who are like leading the leagues and lack of interceptions and stuff like that. Oh, Derek Carr? Kenny Pickett? Tell me how those offenses are doing.


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[Assistant] You know, that's where the league's changed. We just talked about the guy who won two MVPs, he threw five interceptions and six interceptions. They couldn't win a playoff game because he won't make a play in the pass game. Right. And to add context to it, because I see a lot of graphics over the last day of Josh Allen, 25th and interceptions last year or whatever else. Okay.


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[Assistant] I get it, last year he threw 14 interceptions. It was the third worst in football.


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[Assistant] You know, Dak Prescott led, Kirk Cousins who had a great year also had that many interceptions with Josh Allen. Mahomes had one, two less. Joe Burrow had two less. My point is all the good quarterbacks


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[Assistant] For the most part are aggressive and making plays and that's going to lead to some mistakes and some interceptions. So, you know, you go into 2021, we've had this conversation before too. The guy who won the Superbowl led the NFL in interceptions and Matthew Stafford.


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[Assistant] Also in that year, yeah, Allen had 15. Okay, Burrow had 14 and went to the Super Bowl. Mahomes had 13 and went to the AFC Championship game.


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's what I don't like. There's a little cherry picking on there. They put Josh Allen 25th in interceptions and I want to be like, yeah, but Burrow was 24th and Mahomes is 23rd and like all the good, and then if you kept going down the list, you'd get down to ones and twos and go, well, who the f*** cares about that guy anyways? He doesn't do anything. He kneels on the ball every play.


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[Assistant] And Josh, exactly right, and where I respect Josh Allen is, Josh Allen's the type of guy that


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[Assistant] If they're losing and he's throwing two interceptions, he's gonna go down swinging where a lot of the other quarterbacks be like, well, I'm just gonna throw it underneath and I'm gonna dink and dunk and I'll get some stats and yards and completions, but nobody will be able to say it was my last mistake was the reason we lost the game.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen's not that way. And I respect that about him. I do. And that's where it's a, you know, a little


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[Assistant] A little unfair at times. So you go back to 2020, right? He threw 10 interceptions, right?


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[Assistant] You know, okay, yeaah, he threw 10 interceptions. You know, and guys, Russell Wilson that year was up for the MVP award for a lot of that year, his last year in Seattle. He threw 13. Brady threw 12 the year they won the Super Bowl. In fact, it was the third worst in football.


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[Assistant] Right? But guess what he had? Defenses that can make a play, receivers that can make a play, you know, an overpowering O-line, right? So Alan never has the benefit of anybody ever saving his ass, as I've told you.


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[Assistant] Coaches and players up there have both told me and Devon McCordy, and I'm putting this out there on Devon because I've said it before and I know he's comfortable with me saying it, there is a belief in that building that if Josh Allen doesn't go off, we can't win the game. That's tangible. They know that.


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[Assistant] So what do you think, why do you, where do you think that comes from? They see their own offense on a daily basis. They realize they have no run game. They realize their, their own defense realizes if we just cover Stephon Diggs or the rest of the offense ain't that good.


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's where I'm gonna defend Josh Allen. He's gotta rein it in. I know it all the way. Uh, that was a crazy, big, huge decision.


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[Assistant] I can say you and me, I don't think we're surprised that they're five and five. I know. I didn't pick them to go to the playoffs. Neither did I. We saw a lot of things, a lot of writing on the wall that said, I don't know how good the Bills really are. I think there's just this big, shiny, awesome quarterback that makes everybody think they're a lot better than they are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would think so. I mean, he might have to get relegated back to quarterback coach or something like that, you know, and then work his way up here. Uh, but no, it's gonna take a little time because when you, when you, when you


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[Assistant] Get perceived as failed with that quarterback, there's gonna be a stigma around you. That'll hurt him for a little while. Cause think about this, if you're a team out there next year that needs an offensive coordinator and they bring in Ken Dorsey, what's the first thing every fan base is gonna go? He couldn't even make it work with Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] It's a big coordinator year, it feels like, right? Bigger than most. I come away, like, thinking about this year, and, you know, with John, man, there's some guys out there that are gonna be some big-time head coaching candidates, and you should be excited. It's not just because their team's doing good, like, there's things they're doing that are


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[Assistant] His play action passes, right? That's to me where he's great. He kinda goes play action pass and then almost works the run off of that. So you're more, you're so worried about the play action pass, but it's the way he ties that together, right? He can make so many of his play action passes look like the run game.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, he has the patience to stay with the run game. The run game is, you know, creative. I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's like Shanahan run game, or even Shane Steichen, who I think is really creative on that side of the ball too.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's well thought out. And it's got a lot, it's got diversity to it, right? To where they have a lot of different schemes in their run game. That's what I love about Ben Jost. And then he plays with your mind and how he situates


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[Assistant] The play action passes too. He really does. He's got a lot of different versions of how to do different things off of the play action to where you can't just


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[Assistant] Overplay one play action concept where you think, oh wait, this guy goes on a cross and this guy goes on a post route. We can figure that out.


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[Assistant] He'll go, wait, this guy, yeaah, that you saw on the post route now is going on a flag route and going to the corner and this guy you thought was going on the crossing route, we're gonna stop him halfway in the cross and he's gonna come back the other way. Right? So he gives a zig to every zag and that, that to me is always very important.


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[Assistant] I don't know Bobby that well, right? I kind of just know him and seeing him, meeting him real quick and, you know, hearing things from the 49ers coaching staff. Uh, one of the things I'm big on is, you know,


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[Assistant] From the X's and O's standpoint, he's ready to be a head coach. Is he ready to...


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[Assistant] You know, you've only had one year of running an offense. Are you ready to now run a whole football team? And then as you're running the offense of that football team, wait, somebody's got a problem on the defensive side of the ball. Oh wait, hold on. I gotta stop my offensive game planning and meet with the defensive people because we got issues right now. Somebody's not happy, right? I would say,


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[Assistant] I'd like to see him wait one more year, but I love the offense and almost exactly what I said about Ben Johnson.


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[Assistant] Right? Is what I would say about him. It's the same type of thing. It's creative run game.


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[Assistant] That makes people go, whoa, we have to load the box. They do so many cool things like Shanahan does, right?


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[Assistant] We're going to be outnumbered or he's going to find a creative way and then you kind of overplay that and then boom, there goes CJ Stroud just throwing one laser after another by your linebacker in safety's heads, right? And that's, it's great that way. So yes, Bobby Slowick, it's in his future. I hope it's not quite, you know, right now.


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[Assistant] I think there's going to be some guys we talk about here in a minute that I feel like are the same way that some of the names I'm seeing here, you know, so yeah, I get that. It's a totally, it is a different skill set.


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[Assistant] It is a different skill set and there is much more of managing personalities, seeing the big picture of the game and always being pulled in some direction to put out a fire for something somewhere in the organization. That is a big problem with the head coach. You know, I talked to all of them. It's always something like that where it's like, huh.


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[Assistant] I was game planning, but we had this, and now I've been not game planning for an hour because I've had to deal with this. And that's where being a head coach is, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not ready to go there. You know, like, like I've said, I don't hate Shane Waldron's offense, but I don't love it either. Now, one thing I'll give him a little bit of a, is their O-line's not great, right? They are a little bit, and I think we said this on Sunday night,


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[Assistant] They would be like what I just said to Ken Dorsey, a little bit of a Rolodex offense sometimes where I go, what is exactly are we trying to accomplish here, right?


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[Assistant] They'll be, Hey, we ran the ball three straight plays and I go, Oh, they're going to try to run the ball and play action pass. They don't get a first down. The next year as they come out and they go, it's shotgun four or five plays in a row until we punt. And I'm like, what the f**k? Where is it tied together here? What's it going to work? So that would be one of the things that, that, you know, worry me about Shane Waldron a little bit.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm a fan of Eric, Eric Miannemi, definitely. And, uh, believe he's head coach material, right? I think he's shown this year, it's more than just Patrick Mahomes that was making it work.


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[Assistant] The Chief's offense has taken a step back, and it's hard for me not to go, yeah, the enemy had a few more ideas than maybe the guy they have there now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. I think there's a few less little wrinkles in their offense than there has been in years past. I think Andy, you know, yeah, his system's in place, but he empowers his guys to come up with a game plan. He knows what's going on. You know, if he feels like they're going through a cold spot, he'll take over and call the plays and all that.


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[Assistant] You know, even with that and calling the plays and all that, you know, Biennami, I think, had a few more ideas that he brought to the table as compared to what we see with Negi and what they're doing right now.


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[Assistant] So that is, you know, something that bothers me there. Nagy's not horrible, I don't want to say that. There's some good things there, but I don't ever watch it and go...


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[Assistant] Surgicality right now. It's a little bit like every good drive I watch of Kansas City.


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[Assistant] Is there might be one or two plays where you're like, oh, that was good, my home saw it, got it out. But then, the rest of the game, or the rest of the drive, if it's a ten play drive, is him floating around.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean those, you know, of course those are the staffs you would look at. I don't think there's anybody there that fits that.


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[Assistant] I think when I really look at it and think about it, I'm looking at my phone here just because I had some other names here and I wanted to make sure.


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[Assistant] I'm probably going to Ben Johnson. How dare you? I think so. I'd be looking there. You know, it's two years of a lot of evidence that the offense has everything


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[Assistant] You know, rebuilt a quarterback and a psyche and everything that goes along with that, let alone, you know, it's big plays in the pass game, but can play smash mouth. It's 20 degrees in January type of football too. I think that's going to translate with this as well. So yeah, I think he'd probably be the guy I'd look at.


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[Assistant] No, you know, no, I mean, you know, I have, what I've started to realize is I feel like I have more defensive guys this year than I do offensive guys. Let's get into that. Because like you said, there's people


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[Assistant] 49ers, Miami, you know, Bobby Slowick, I don't know if some of these guys are quite ready yet to where I would want to throw them in there as to the capacity of Ben Johnson.


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[Assistant] McDonald, excuse me, the Baltimore Ravens, right? He's one of my favorites. One of my favorite defenses to watch. So that, that's one that I look at and go like young guy who's been in Michigan, been in Baltimore, knows about culture, knows what it is like to build a top tier organization.


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[Assistant] You know, seems like he's got the right touch as a person. He's somebody I look at, not only as my favorite OC, or DC, but a favorite guy that I go, he looks like head coach material, right? So I'll throw him out there. You know, I love spags. I love spags.


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[Assistant] The game plans, the creativity, the outside the box thinking, the gutsiness. And sometimes like I've told you where it's a big play and I'm like, whoa, he's calling that defense right here.


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[Assistant] Or, it's a big drive, and I go, the first play of the drive, he's gonna call this? I mean, if they call this play, it's a touchdown, but he's gonna do it? I love Spags, but having said that, I don't think he's head coach material. I think he's like, what you talked about before is just great defensive coordinator, let's do that. Jim Schwartz is another one I'll throw into that scene. So hold on, before you go to Jim Schwartz.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know, I think, one, he did it because of that, what we're talking about. We can't be a slow death defense with the best player in football over by the Gatorade bottle, right? That has to change a little bit.


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[Assistant] Then, where I think it even went to another level to what he's saying there, is he to me was one of the first that realized


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[Assistant] You can't just call normal defenses against some of these offenses and think you're going to win games. Like, I'm going to play Tampa too and we're going to be sound and beat the Eagles. No, you're not. They're going to score 40 on you if you do that. Right? So he is the guy that we talked about so much even last year where we were like,


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[Assistant] You gotta throw some curve balls at these great offenses. Do some things that they're not prepared for. Take some chances where they go, there's no way they'll do that right here on this. Oh, what? They did it. Now we got sacked and lost five yards. So to me, that's where he's.


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[Assistant] Change the game a little bit of stopping these aggressive offenses being so aggressive and he's been the aggressor back a little bit and that has


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[Assistant] I think his defense has changed even from then or even when he was the D coordinator of the Eagles. He's evolved, right? I'm not sure if he's head coach material.


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[Assistant] Forever legend defensive coordinator? Yea, like I think if we're, we could be sitting here 10 years from now and be like, he's Spags Jr. basically, right? He's that kind of guy. But it's the versatility in his defenses. To me, it's the...


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[Assistant] Willingness or the gutsiness, again a little like spags, to play aggressive, but through his breakdowns, protect himself in areas of things you might do according to personnel, down to distance, formation, whatever, right?


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[Assistant] That's what I really love about him. He has found a way to...


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[Assistant] Like we'll talk about in a minute with the Ravens game, uh, just attack offenses. And then, you know, the offense is not sure what they're getting on a play-by-play or drive-by-drive basis, uh, and, and, you know, they're,


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[Assistant] They're amazing that way, so I love Jim Schwartz and what he's doing. Alright, who's your next name on the list you want to bring up? Well, Lou Anarumo would be one that I love. Lou, Lou, Lou to me is a guy that I think has real head coach potential, right? I do.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know Lou that well. I've only met him a few times real quick and it's like, Hey, how you doing? And you know, he'll ask me how my dad is. He's from Staten Island, New York and not too far from Jersey and all that.


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[Assistant] So he's, he's a great dude. I do think he has the personality to be a head coach. The thing I love about them too, it's a lot like the other two guys we talked about. It's outside the box thinking it's game plan specific stuff on the defensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Right? Where we've talked about in past, like, this cover four looks like this one week, and then the next week it's cover four, but it's like, what? What if they're doing it different? What's the rules they're following? I don't know what the hell they're doing. I'm not sure what you'd call this coverage. Right? That's what I love about Lou and Arumo.


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[Assistant] C.J. Strahd last week. C.J. Strahd. That's what he said. You're right. C.J. Strahd. Which was surprising last week that they let up all those big plays. I do have respect for Brian Callahan. You know, I always wish it's dressed up and a little more creative. I sometimes don't know how much credit to give to him or Zach Taylor, right? Yep.


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[Assistant] Not a ton. That's why I would be a little slow to go like, yeah, that's a hot OC, but I would want to see him do this a few more years, right? You know, he still needs to learn more from Mike McDaniel or whoever else. That's why Mike McDaniel was perfect with what he is now.


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[Assistant] He was, you know, what, run game coordinator there in San Francisco for a little while. Was splitting the duties, I think, between Michael LaFleur and, you know, maybe even splitting the duties with Bobby Slowick for a year there. But, you know, the reason I was comfortable, at least with him being a head coach, was going, he's been around Shenan for a long time.


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[Assistant] You know, he knows the ingredients and how they, you know, make the, make the sausage there a little bit. Right? And that's, but, but yeah, but some of these guys, I'd want them to be there for a little while. I don't want to go, oh, Frank Smith, he's,


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[Assistant] He's listened to Mike McDaniels in the coaching, uh, coaching, uh, meetings, and then he goes and parrots it to the two a tang of oil. He's ready to be a head coach. No, not, not quite yet. You know, I'd like to see


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[Assistant] I think though you were seeing, the defensive coordinators we like, it's about creativity, right? It's about that. Liu is create, Liu and Arumo is creative without using the Blitz. You know, Schwartz kind of like dabbles a little bit in both.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mike McDonald dabbles in the blitz a lot, you know, and now some guys might drop out and do that. Flores?


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[Assistant] It's, it's unbelievable what they do on the defensive side of the ball. It's constant pressure. It's constant. This guy's blitz and this guy's dropping. Two guys are blitz and one guy's dropping. Oh, nobody dropped this time. Six guys all blitzed together, right? So he's great that way. And I think he's head coach material. Dan Quinn.


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[Assistant] In Atlanta, I just thought, damn, I mean, he's just gonna call Seattle 3 until the cows come home every play. It's just, they're never gonna do anything else. Seattle 3, Seattle 3, Seattle 3. Oh, a different version of Seattle 3, right? He got fired, he had a year off from football, he came back and was a different person. And has found that blend a little bit like a Schwartz of like,


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[Assistant] Tactical aggressiveness. We're aggressive as hell up front, but we protect ourselves and have a good feel for what you're trying to do in this formation. So even though we only got like, you know, four guys to cover the four receivers, they're all kind of in the right spot. This guy's got to go inside, this guy goes outside, this guy goes to the post, like just stuff like that.


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[Assistant] That they force the hand once again. That to me is big in football right now.


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[Assistant] Uh, and uh, yeaah, there, he's another one that I would certainly say has, you know, head coaching, uh,


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[Assistant] I don't think, you know, Raheem Morris, the Rams, okay, I think is really special and they're playing with a bunch of young guys and the talent's not that damn good. I think that's one I would throw out there too. You know I'm a Wink Martindale fan, alright, and I know that's kinda falling apart a little bit there. I think


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[Assistant] And EJ Evero with the Carolina Panthers. That's another one too. Now I don't know if those guys, some of those ones at the end that can get, you know, involved in the head coaching conversation or anything like that, but I think those are, you know, really, really damn good coordinators who have head coaching potential, you know, in their future.


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[Assistant] I really have. I'm amazed with his coverages and what he does on that, the backside there. The way he can pressure the quarterback without really a blue chip superstar pass rusher and them still be all over the quarterback on a consistent basis and, I mean, they lead the NFL in sacks.


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[Assistant] You know, not that he's a superstar passer, or he's still an awesome football player, but they create advantages with you because they make offensive lines think, and the left tackles like, wait, this linebacker's about to blitz here, I gotta pick him up, oh wait, he didn't blitz?


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[Assistant] It's some things we've hit on. Right? Well, I, I, of course, I don't ever not watch the 49ers. It's my good friend and...


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[Assistant] I mean, his sister lives in town with me and I'm good friends with his brother-in-law and-


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[Assistant] And, of course, the defense has a lot of influence from Shanahan, as we've explained to people. It's not that Steve, Steve Wilkes went there and learned how the 49ers played defense, right? And he's still, I think, in the process of learning that.


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[Assistant] Sunday night, when we did the pod, I said the thing that looked to me differently is they played with the fronts more, right? And we've hit on other games where I've said,


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[Assistant] A little static in their alignments. The quarterback comes in the line of scrimmage and we just go, okay, we know what defense they're in, right? There's some of that lack of disguise, lack of movements, you know, lack of what we talked about with some of the other coaches just a minute ago.


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[Assistant] One, they busted no coverages in the back end the whole game. So that was the first thing I would say that was certainly better. Where in the last few games, especially the three game losing streak, there was a few plays every game where I went, ah, this team kinda tested their rules and a circuit broke and somebody messed up.


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[Assistant] None of that happened in this game, but the biggest thing was the different alignments with the front.


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[Assistant] And it just messing with people that way. Who's blitzing, who's dropping. Wait, there's three guys over here on one side of the center and now there's a linebacker and one defense alignment on the other side of the center. Who's coming? How are we going to pass this off? All of that.


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[Assistant] That to me was the biggest difference in what I saw from their plan of attack. Let alone from the first play of the game, they came out with five defense alignment. They almost never do that. They went five defense alignment against a two tight end set, and I went, oh, it's two tight ends. That's where they did it. Then the next play was,


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[Assistant] One tight end, three receivers and they still stayed five defense linemen. So they played with the minds of Jacksonville's offensive line coordinator and Trevor Lawrence all day with different stuff they did up there.


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[Assistant] You know, they're great at that. They're great at their zone coverages, their combination coverages, and doing that. Uhm, and there was something else I was gonna say there that you said that I was gonna piggyback off of, but I forgot what it was.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, you know, put some drawings into the notebook, hopefully, that you guys saw, that certainly showed kind of some of the alignments there and what they did, and it caused problems with Jacksonville's protection schemes.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a four down front. The two linebackers are Greenlaw and Fred Warner, right?


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[Assistant] And the back end, it kind of looks like you're getting just like a four across quarters look. So you're not sure. When you get that four across look, as a quarterback, you're like, wait, they could be bringing all out blitz, right? Cause you've seen it, like in all out blitzes, secondary kind of plays it all at one level with that. They just kind of like, hey, he's got to throw it


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[Assistant] So, we're gonna be off our receivers a little bit, and they throw it quick because of the blitz, we gotta make the tackle, right? Alright, so, there's a little bit of that look, you don't know what you're gonna get.


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[Assistant] They got Chase Young to the left. You know, the offense is left. Hargrave at defense attacker to the left.


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[Assistant] To the right is 90 Givens at defensive tackle, and then to the right on the defensive end is Bosa, number 97. You got Drake Greenlaw, who's kind of dancing in the A gap to the left of the center.


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[Assistant] Right, so you're like, I don't know if he's blitzing or doing what. Dre Greenlaw is kinda hovering in between Givens and Nick Bosa, and you're not sure. Is he blitzing? Is he coming? I'm not sure what he's doing.


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[Assistant] At the snap, Warner gets up there really close and it looks like Blitz. And then even to add on top of that, he...


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[Assistant] Dre Greenlaw, who came from a little more distance, does the same thing. Takes a running head start basically at the right tackle.


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[Assistant] And then, right before he's gonna get to him, he stops, turns around, dropped back into his zone.


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[Assistant] Now that right tackle is like, oh wait, I gotta block you. My rules say to come down and block when somebody comes on this inside gap. Now I can't block Nick Bosa. It's too late. He's gone around the edge. They tried to throw a quick pass. He knocks the ball down and you know, of course you do nothing.


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[Assistant] And that was the theme of the game. And the big thing, and this is where I wanted to piggyback off you a minute ago. So many of these came, they would win first down.


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[Assistant] And they would be, it's second and eight, second and seven, second and ten, right? Still defensive, positive situations. And they would bring these type of pressures here.


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[Assistant] Is a recipe for disaster against the San Francisco 49ers. So that to me was the big thing. The playing of the fronts, especially on second and long situations that kept Jacksonville in third and long. And now the 49ers can drop back, play zone.


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[Assistant] And then on third down, the defense doesn't have to worry about anything except they're passing the ball and the D line can just go, let's go get the quarterback. And that of course is what the 49ers want to do.


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[Assistant] Well look at, look at even how they did it. If you could bring the picture up one more time, Pete, of the notebook there. You know, look at, this is where they're brilliant too, cause you think it's Zone, alright, then you say Set Hutt. And, you know, Hufunga and Charvarius Ward, 29 and 7 on the right of the paper here, they're man up with Evan Ingram and Calvin Ridley. But then, the other,


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[Assistant] Five guys, okay, and Chase Young, who also, I should have explained this the first time, he was at defense end of the left, he dropped back too, right? So now they had three guys rushing and they got,


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[Assistant] Eight guys in coverage, two are playing man to man, and the other six are basically playing a zone against the three receivers on the left side. So no, like we talked about, no matter which way those three receivers break, there's a defender or two there going, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I'm there, we're there, you can't go anywhere. And that's where they're really great as well. Sorry, I had to interrupt.


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[Assistant] The strip sack fumble on both, on Trevor Lawrence between the two Ohio State boys was a three man rush. Right, right.


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[Assistant] Everyone's up at the line here, here we go. They end up getting a P.I. here, I believe, right? Uh, but.


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[Assistant] The point is what they do and how they do it and look at the alignment. And again, look at that. Again, you see the three across.


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[Assistant] Second and eight, 55 seconds left, right? Again, what did I tell you? Second and eight.


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[Assistant] Second and seven or more, always the whole game. They went, okay, we're going to force the issue and keep them in third and long. And then they're right. Okay. Sorry, my language. We're not really sorry, but here we go again. Here's what I'm talking about. It doesn't take a whole lot to give your team advantage. Here's one of those. Look, three defense alignment to the right of the center.


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[Assistant] Right? Dre Greenlaw is kind of like a half yard off the ball over the left guard. And then Chase Young is all the way at the top.


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[Assistant] Out of wide nine, getting ready to come off the edge. So, one, you gotta worry about, wait, Dre Greenlaw could blitz from where he's at, right?


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[Assistant] You know, two, there's three guys to one side, and if they twist and sunt these, these three D linemen on the right, man, we gotta worry about picking them up, let alone


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[Assistant] Wait, there's some extra guys on the right side of the ball here that are unlocked by other guys behind them that could also blitz off the edge. So who the hell is coming? Go ahead to the next picture, Pete, because this is great. And you're going to see what they do here, alright, is Greenlaw


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[Assistant] He does his little bit of, like, I'm gonna blitz, but then drops out at the top of the screen, and you see him running back, right? He's looking for anybody shallow, cross or like that.


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[Assistant] I think I got that right. With an extra blitzer, and it ends up being a five man rush. Yeaah, I'm missing one of my guys there. And so now, yes, they, they've created a five man rush, okay, you don't know who was gonna come, what's gonna be there, and this added, this ended up being the PI down the field, right? Oh.


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[Assistant] This was the sack. End of the third quarter. Yep, I'm on the wrong one. I'm on the play before. My bad. So this ends up being the sack. Excuse me. And this is I think Bosa who gets the sack here, right? Uh, if I got this right. But again, the advantage of the confusion


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[Assistant] Of what we're getting up front, and I totally butchered that picture there and all that.


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[Assistant] Definitely. I just, I hope it's, yeaah, Steve Wilkes getting a better hold on, you know, how to be creative but yet being sound at the same time, right? And that they don't, again, they don't need to reinvent the wheel here like we've talked about. A lot of what they do is really good. We've asked during the three game losing streak to go, give me a little disguise.


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[Assistant] On the coverage every now and then. Just a little bit. It doesn't need to be crazy, cause they're crazy talented. But don't let the quarterback just break the huddle and go, oh, it's cover two. Oh, it's cover four. Oh, it's cover three. Make them think a little bit. And then if you could play with the fronts a little bit.


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[Assistant] They're, they, they're extremely talented to where that should unlock all their talents, give them some advantages and really be able to show us all that they have to offer. Did we have any other pictures that we wanted to show? Cause I would like to show them if we can.


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[Assistant] I love this because again, here, it's just the toying of, messing with an offense, messing with the quarterback's mind here, alright, and nonetheless,


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[Assistant] Alright, yeaah, the Jaguars messed it up, but I still, as big picture thing, look, it looks like it's all out blitz, right? There's eight guys all at the line of scrimmage. Eight across. Alright, so I wish everybody could see this. Alright, they only got three


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[Assistant] So now, right, Hufunga, who was gonna blitz down here at the bottom of the edge, he's gonna become the cover two corner out here.


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[Assistant] Right? 20, the corner is going to be the back safety. Right? Lenore number 2 at the top of the screen by Christian Kirk, he was going to blitz off the top edge. He is essentially the weak side linebacker here in this formation.


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[Assistant] Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw drop back and they get to Tampa too. Now they have a bust as far as throwing a screen with the Jacksonville Jaguars here. And because of what they're doing and the confusion, Bosa is screaming off the edge unblocked once again.


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[Assistant] And he's in the way. And yeah, Trevor Lawrence just has to throw it away. Uh, but again, that's what I'm talking about. You do some of this stuff with that talent they have on that side of the ball. San Francisco's defense will be almost impossible to move the ball on.


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[Assistant] I think they ran into a little bit of a buzzsaw of a team highly motivated, a team who reassessed how they were playing and threw some curve balls at them that they hadn't seen, you know, so far during the year. And probably again, like we've talked about Jacksonville, a young team.


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[Assistant] Who's probably like, Hey, we're good. We can match up with anybody. We went toe to toe with the chiefs. What should be so different about this, right? It'd be a wake up call. They'll realize that their intensity level needs to go up a whole nother, you know, staircase here. If they want to play with the big boys. Uh, the one thing I worry about them sometimes just.


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[Assistant] Finding some ways to make some explosive plays in the pass game on offense. Sometimes I worry about just their ability to find or get people open down the field. They're pretty good in the intermediate to short stuff, but


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, other than double moves on the outside, I just wish there was a little bit more, you know, 20 yard in cut, 30 yard cross route, you know, just a little bit more of that in their offense.


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[Assistant] I don't care what you say, you know, if you're out there, like we talk about every four plays all game long, you're going to break. We see that with a lot of great defenses. It's the problem why, you know, the Jets aren't


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[Assistant] Statistically, a top five or top eight defense. It's like damn, you know, how many plays, how much time can we be on the field on a week in, week out basis, right? They're, they're the number six defense in football. I get that, but the Jets, they probably should be higher than that if they had a better offense.


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[Assistant] It's uhm, their defense has everything.


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[Assistant] And their defense has all the things that we've kind of been talking about that good defenses have, right? Where...


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[Assistant] You know, and where they're even different from the 49ers, okay, is they can play man to man because they have three corners that are all like.


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[Assistant] I mean, Pro Bowl caliber corners in my opinion. I mean, Emerson, Ward, and Newsom, that's the three of good corners you're going to find in football. They're unbelievable. So they even have some more versatility than maybe some of the other defenses we've talked about so far, but just because they can every now and then go, ah, screw it.


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[Assistant] We're gonna do some crazy thing up front and we're gonna put a lot of pressure on you corners, right? We'll have a safety back deep, but he ain't gonna be that deep, okay? He's only gonna be like 10 or 11 yards. You guys better get in their face and lock them down. So they are fearless that way. And then they're fearless and do a lot of the different way in which they do it.