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[Assistant] You look at the first three years of his career, they all outperformed guys who just signed huge contracts into Marcus Lawrence, Frank Clark, Trey Flowers, Dee Ford.


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[Assistant] He's, he's outperformed all of them. So that's where I think the issue has to be, cause he's probably gonna, he's probably asking to be the highest paid defense end in football, and I'm not sure Jacksonville's happy about that, but his play warrants that he be, be paid every bit as much as Demarcus Lawrence.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and a fast linebacker. We talk about how that can change your football team, and Miles Jack, I think, is phenomenal that way, too, so.


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[Assistant] Alright, alright. You've got some good points there with the Jacksonville, Yannick, and Gokwe thing too.


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[Assistant] He is, he's going into his fourth year of his contract. He's, yes, he's, uh, you know, no option, nothing like that. But, you know, he's three years, he's got 29 sacks in three years and he wants to be paid because he hasn't made any money.


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[Assistant] This is the other thing, uh, is it me or am I the only one out here right now, okay, that I find it a little intriguing that


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[Assistant] We're farther down the line really in talking about Dak Prescott contract negotiations and numbers than we are about Jared Goff.


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[Assistant] And contract. Like there's more conversation about Dak Prescott out there than there is a Jared Goff. To me, I don't know, does that say something to you, Dad? Because it does say something to me. I just think it's odd and I think it's odd that actually people aren't talking about it more.


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[Assistant] No, I know. And to me it's like one of those things that's, it's like under the radar kind of saying it all. We have one team.


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[Assistant] Who yes, this was a fourth round quarterback drafted, who's been to the super, uh, the playoffs two out of the three years. He was in the NFL. Okay. And now we have another team.


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[Assistant] Who's the first pick of the draft at quarterback. They've been to the playoffs two out of the three years in the NFL. And one of those years they were in the Super Bowl. But we're talking about the other guy and his contract a whole lot more than we are about the guy who was just in the Super Bowl. To me that speaks volumes about it all. And really what the Rams think of Jared Goff. At least in my book.


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[Assistant] I think there's a little, that sentiment is around the league. I do think that. It definitely is. There's a lot of coaches and people that think that that's what the Rams are thinking and that think the Rams are, yes, that McVeigh is capable of really grooming any type quarterback. And I'm like, and dad's saying, yes, it is because I'm sure he's heard some of the similar type things from people around the NFL.


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[Assistant] Nearly the success that they're hoping, or Antonio Brown's like personal stats could be what they were in Pittsburgh. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, did not exist. I mean, maybe Gary Kubiak in 2014 is the closest thing we had to saying it was a pretty good offense, and I would say that still was just barely above the middle of the road, so.


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[Assistant] Alright, take care. Alright, and that was 30 minutes brought to you by the big. That's what you get.


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[Assistant] Yes, which he did. He ended up talking to Amy Acton.


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[Assistant] Those are, uh, some good points, uh, good conversation. Thanks to Dad, definitely. Alright, little, uh, little business here. Yep. Peter King Podcast, okay?


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[Assistant] Uh, it's phenomenal. He's had Peyton Manning, Von Miller, James Holzauer, The Jeopardy Wiz. They've been on recently. It drops every Wednesday. Okay. Come on, Peter King podcast. He's on training camp tour right now. I mean, Peter gets interviews with guys that


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[Assistant] You know, most of us can't even get. And then since he's Peter King, they do answer questions that they wouldn't answer for most people because he's


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[Assistant] Freakin' Peter King. So check that. Every Wednesday it drops. This week he's got Earl Thomas, Grady Jarrett. That'll be awesome. Peter King podcast. He's the man every Wednesday. You know where to find it. It's everywhere. NBCsports.com slash training camp tour.


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[Assistant] And anywhere you want to download your podcast. That was well done. Thank you. I'm getting better at this. I'm trying, I'm trying.


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[Assistant] Alright, one thing I wanna hit on that we didn't get to, okay? The Brian Flores, the Miami Dolphins, everything that's going on right there right now, okay? Just before we get into it, we're gonna do a delusional prediction that's gonna be fun. But Brian Flores, I'm a huge fan of his. Just, he's a no-nonsense type of guy. One, I hear two stories in the past five days.


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[Assistant] He's pulling the Bill Belichick stuff already. When they mess up in practice, run! Yeah. Run! So, NFL players, if you want to talk about culture change, culture shock, that's different, okay? This New England regime has gone down to Miami, and I'm sure some of these guys are like, whoa.


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[Assistant] We, we've never been a part of anything like this. Like we make one little mistake and we're running laps like we're back in, you know, eighth grade football again. That's interesting. But then, to be a first year head coach and have


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[Assistant] Organizational move at this point. But, I think again, it just shows Brian Flores. He's not a dilly dallyer, for lack of a better phrase. He's not gonna go, oh well, I hope it works out. This guy'll figure it. There was issues in OTAs.


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[Assistant] And not everybody can keep up with the New England way. I'm just telling you. And I don't know the answers to any of this right now.


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[Assistant] They, they have made Dave Deguglielmo, Deguglielmo, messing it up for the third time today.


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[Assistant] Well, he worked in New England, okay, and he was with the Colts last year. And I don't think he got fired by the Colts or they didn't part ways with the Colts because of what he was doing on the job. I think he was just a different man than Frank Reich together. Sure. Just different personalities.


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[Assistant] Uh, googs as they call him. He fits in with that New England no-nonsense, you know, if you do something wrong, they're gonna cuss you out a little bit and be that way.


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[Assistant] And it just sounds like Pat Flaherty was having issues with really the intricacies of that offense.


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[Assistant] That was their issue. Gosh, he wants us there five minutes before meetings. Practices are so hard and physical. Remember the Jacksonville Jaguars two years ago with Doug Morrone? Man, we're hitting so much. This is torture. Then all of a sudden they get halfway through the season and they go, damn, we're good. Okay, maybe this works. Alright, this Doug Morrone guy's not bad. So they're going to have to see some success to totally buy in. And they're also going


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[Assistant] But there's also the other things, the other, the other faction like the Jaguars or let's say the Pittsburgh Steelers who go, no, we hit, we're the more physical team, therefore we don't get hurt and we're used to that. You know, hey, not saying either way is right or wrong, but I, I certainly know that Brian Flores is more of the we're hit type of guy. But it also seems like a 180 from,


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[Assistant] Exactly right. That's why I bring it up. And then we get news dropped today, which is a good lead in here. It's just about, uh, you know, Brian Flores made a comment today that Ryan Fitzpatrick clearly the number one quarterback in Miami right now. Okay.


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[Assistant] Do I expect Josh Rosen to rise to the top at some point? And I'm on the, I've already said that. Yes, I do. Am I shocked that he's, that Ryan Fitzpatrick is in the lead early on in training camp? No, not at all.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, let's be realistic about this situation. Josh Rosen's a second year quarterback now learning his second system. And let me just tell you, you, you might have heard me say this before. I mean, this New England system, it's as hard as it is in the NFL. When you get to know it and you learn it, it's maybe the best system in football. It's got answers for everything.


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[Assistant] But it is tough. It's got a lot of rules, the language is tricky, all of it. So I'm not shocked that Josh Rosen is not up to speed with a guy, Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's been a part of so many offenses and has so much experience. Early on in training camp, he's gonna have the advantage. Let's see where it is in like two or three weeks, and that's really when we'll get a better shot.


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[Assistant] He set up for success more. At least you know what you're getting.


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[Assistant] I mean, Liam, I don't think you're far off with that at all. That could be the way they are truly trying to think about this. Instead of going, you know, to the opposite of what you're saying is, oh, we're not good, we're not, let's just throw Josh Rosen in. Okay, you start oh and two and he doesn't look good. Then it's like, oh my gosh, he stinks and all the public pressures on you and all of those things too.


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[Assistant] I know there's been coaches, and my dad, we should have talked to him about this because I know he knows some coaches too. Coaches have literally made decisions on their starting quarterback at times going,


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[Assistant] This guy's better, but I'm gonna start this guy, cause I don't think we're very good, or we're a little inept.


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[Assistant] And I know it's not gonna work out early in the year and it's easier for me to pull him and put the other guy in than have the guy who's more talented get off the start and then I gotta put a guy who's less talented in. So that does go on. I don't know if that's what's going on here, but it certainly would be, yes, a safer bet as far as the way you're explaining it.


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[Assistant] And I'm sick of seeing Ryan Fitzpatrick luck into starting quarterback jobs. I mean, he's Johnny preseason magic over here. That's what he really is. But, yeaah, ultimately, listen, they traded away a second round pick for him. They know Ryan Fitzpatrick's not their future.


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[Assistant] If they're, you know, early on in the year, three and four, you know, two and four, whatever it may be. At some point, Josh Rosen's gonna get in because they want to see what he's got and see if he can be the future.


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[Assistant] Well, Joel Flacco is like on the Sims team of like, we feel like he's been greatly underappreciated through his career. That people have just looked at like the stats, and for some reason with Joel Flacco, when he was winning, wins didn't matter then, it was the stats that mattered.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, then of course their team wasn't good and all that and everybody just continues to pile on and I think he just gets sick of that.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with a 10 here, okay? I think it will be unlike anything we've ever seen. Now. Now. That's great.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Thank you very much. That's what I wanted to clarify. I mean, hey, you know, are we going to see run schemes and things that we haven't seen in football and it be a part of the consistent every down play calling that we've never seen in the NFL?


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[Assistant] And maybe some formations where, you know, it's the offensive line and then it's three tight ends to the left. Maybe with the tailback set to the left and Lamar Jackson and the shotgun and he runs out behind the three tight ends and the tailback's leading them and they got a pulling guard and we're gonna see, I think, a ton of shit like that. So from that aspect, yes, I think the offense will be unlike anything we've ever seen.


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[Assistant] Added to the fact that there's guys like RG3 and Trace McSorley who are these dual threat type quarterbacks. I think they're gonna be thrown in the equation here.


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[Assistant] Greg Roman coming from San Francisco in those years with Colin Kaepernick. He has that stuff. But at the end of the day, that's great. It might be unlike anything we've ever seen, but at some point they're going to play some defenses that are going to go, no, we got a pretty good idea. We've seen nine weeks now and we feel good about it.


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[Assistant] Now, can Lamar Jackson drop back and throw the ball consistently and move the game that way? Cause we haven't seen that. And that's, that's to me where it's still going to come back to. I think we're going to see a lot of creativity and cool stuff from them.


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[Assistant] But I think there's still gonna be a handful of matchups every year where Baltimore's not just gonna be able to go, oh, we're gonna line up and just run over the Pittsburgh Steelers. No, you're not. You better have something more to bring to the table.


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[Assistant] That will not lead the lead. It's not gonna get it done. Like Ezekiel Elliott is gonna be around that 300 carry mark. So I don't think it'll get that crazy. Now, will he get more than 160? Maybe push 200?


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[Assistant] I don't think you're crazy there. I think that can be very realistic to where, oh, okay, so 12 carries a game, 14 it carries a game, that's gonna put him around 200, right? It's gonna be right around there. So, I mean, I just look at it from that aspect and go, yeah, he's gonna run the ball unlike any quarterback we've ever seen. I hope he can avoid getting injured. But the big thing is still, until


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[Assistant] I am proven wrong or see otherwise. Man, I watch the Super Bowl and the playoff games every year and it just seems like the quarterback that's in there and that wins these games wins the game from making plays and decisions and throws within the pocket. And I haven't seen enough of that from Lamar Jackson to believe in it yet.


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[Assistant] Michael Vick thousand, uuuh, I think he's, I think he can beat that for sure. He can take that down. Yes, definitely. Between just scrambling and drop back passes and then the design runs. It feels like it. And if they're gonna, it sounds like they're sticking with this offense, yeaah, it feels like that record's going down.


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, I'm going low. I mean, hey, this is a running, we just spent half the podcast talking about it's a running football team built on Ezekiel Elliott. Hey, do I expect the offense to be a little bit better under Kellen Moore? I hope it is. I mean, it's been about the least creative offense in football the last few years.


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[Assistant] Calvin Ridley's there, who, uh, was what? I mean, almost had a thousand yards last year. Mohamed Sanu had a bounce-back year last year, so I think all of them will take away from his stats, too. Let it load.


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[Assistant] And you really look through the first few years of his career. I mean, Odell Beckham Jr. was on pace to beat, he was leading in every category in the history of football after three years of his career. I mean, so he was doing things that were phenomenal. But I think the big question is, is can he last the test of time?


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[Assistant] Because that's where Jerry Rice is just unbelievable. It's Tom Brady-ish, right? I mean, he was just the first. He's running hills. It's all about all 365 days a year, taking care of your body, doing all that, being the ultimate pro. And that's what allowed him to play 21 years in the NFL.


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[Assistant] You know, Odell Beckham Jr. is going to have to show that he's capable of that. You know, it's not going to matter right now. He's young, he's in his prime, he could go out and party and never work out and do nothing and probably still be in the conversation for the best receiver in football.


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[Assistant] You know, five years from now, six years from now, if the legend, if the workout's not legendary, then I don't know if he can last the test of time.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, and Baker continues to go in the direction we think he's going, and Odell goes in that direction. Uh, yeaah, I would go and go, yeaah, this, that duo's capable of 1500 yards a year, every year.


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[Assistant] There's other weapons too, and that's the other thing too. That's what we'll have to take into account too. It's gonna be about the style of play, how they play. You know, Jerry Rice, he was on a pass friendly offense, and he really only had to worry John Taylor sharing the ball with him, and maybe Roger Craig out of the backfield.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Jarvis, I mean, uh, he's got Jarvis Landry there. Antonio Callaway's a pretty good player. They got some good tight ends. Throwing to the back is more in vogue now than it was back in those Jerry Rice's days. So yeah, they'll eat into his stats, but I still think it's going to be big time stats wise.


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[Assistant] And we're already hearing that, right? Baker Mayfield had a comment, uh, on Sunday or Monday going


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[Assistant] O'Dell Beckham Jr. does things I've never seen anybody do before. And that's all I ever hear about the guy. From Giants, players, people in the organization. It's always that. He is freaky. I've said this before on Pro Football Talk. I don't know if I've said it on the pod, but I'm, I'm, and I wish I could name drop here, but I'm just telling you, there is some big time NFL


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[Assistant] Like hierarchy. When I talk to them about Odell Beckham Jr., I hear comments like he might be the best receiver I've ever seen in my life.


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[Assistant] And I'm just telling you these are big time people. We'll see if he delivers, but, you know, the things you see on film, you know, the passion you hear about, he is, he does have a good work ethic, you know, he does want to be an all time great.


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[Assistant] And from what I've seen on film, yeaah, I see something really really special.


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[Assistant] I think he led the NFL in touches, right, and had 304 carries and 77 receptions. So that's 381 touches.


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[Assistant] Are you kidding me? I just can't imagine anybody having another hundred and twenty something touches like that. Not even so. No, I don't think that's happening. I think he'll be a huge part of their offense in every way.


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[Assistant] No, 500 is not doable. I would say he's gonna be somewhere though between 370 and 400. Okay. I feel good about that. He's going to, I think in my crystal ball, if I had to go Leveon Bell stats, it's gonna be around, you know, over 1100 yards and I think he gets another 700 yards receiving.


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[Assistant] But I think there's, you look at the Jets team, there's a lot of things to like. They improved the O-line, Leveon Bell, you know, receivers.


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[Assistant] Jameson Cratter, the defense already has some talent. They improved that too. So yeaah, I think the Jets are going to be a pain in the butt. I'm with you. I mean, I think they're going to be around that like it's going to be December 1st and they're going to be right around 500 and people are going to say if the Jets win out, they can go to the playoffs. How much do you believe in Darnold?


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[Assistant] I'm a big believer in Sam Darnold. To me that answers, that's the answer to the question. Sam Darnold only has one question to me about his game. There's only one thing, I love everything about his game. My biggest question will be...


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[Assistant] His ability to back defenses off with pushing the ball down the field. Okay. That's the only thing I haven't seen in this game yet to where I want to go, ooh, just not sure where it is. He's a phenomenal short intermediate thrower. He's got great pocket presence and feel in the pocket. When the play breaks down and becomes backyard football, he's great at that.


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[Assistant] If I would say there's one negative I took away from the year is, yeaah, he's not the type of guy that can just flick a ball 50 yards off his back foot or 45 yards off his back foot. He's not a...


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[Assistant] Awesome down the field thrower and you do need that aspect to a degree. Yes, they got the deep threat. So that's what I'm saying. It's just the one thing that I'd like to see more of this year and I would just go, oh man, Sam Donald is just, he's unstoppable.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm not going to say it's not totally delusional. It's not totally delusional. I'm going to give it like, I'm going to go like a five. I'm going to go a six. I'm going to go a six. Yeah. How about that? That's, that's pretty high. That's really, I mean, you're talking about tying Gronk's record. I know. I could certainly see him right around 13 and 14 again. I could definitely see that, you know,


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[Assistant] Uh, the big thing is, you know, within this system, the Philadelphia system, we see how many touches a guy like Zach Ertz gets, okay. Andrew Luck, one of the reasons he's one of the five best quarterbacks in football is because when he gets close down to the red zone, he scores touchdowns. He doesn't, they don't settle for field goals. Not Andrew Luck.


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[Assistant] That's why he's the man. If nobody's open, he scrambles, he makes a throw, or he just makes a throw where nobody's open and we just go, well damn, it was the perfect throw. Nobody was open, but it was amazing. So, yeaah, I think between system and, you know, talent, offensive line, everything they can do, I think there will be some opportunities to flirt with it. I do.


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[Assistant] You know, does, does T.Y. Hilton steal a little of the stunder? Does Paris Campbell, the second round picker, there's opening some eyes there, steal a few red zone touchdowns, uh, but, uh, I, I do expect him to be around that 12, 13, even 14 range once again, cause I just think it's tight end and is a huge part of that offense.


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[Assistant] It was 8th grade. I don't know if it was like summer going into 8th grade or if I had just finished 8th grade. Okay.


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[Assistant] I didn't have, I wasn't fat, I was just, I really, in 7th and 8th grade in middle school, I went from like,


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[Assistant] I went from like 5'4 to 6'3. Oh my god. Yeah, and basically like an 18 month span. Yeah, I really did. My feet were growing, I was having growing pains, I mean I was, it was, it was like, I looked like Ronald McDonald. Okay?


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[Assistant] I was very good at basketball. He'd always like, let me score a few and then come back. He'd make the games close, right?


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[Assistant] He did that in 8th grade, and I kept pulling him out. You know, he'd go, he'd give me a little lead, and then I'd end up winning 11-6, and he was like,


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[Assistant] So he started, finally, well I'm gonna play you serious, I'm playing you real this time. And I beat him. And I know that was like, that was a huge moment for me. Cause I knew he was playing for real this time. Cause I had, you know, beat him that way a few times. And I've heard him tell this story too, to where he was like, oh gosh, okay, I gotta start playing. I gotta stop giving this guy some voice. I can't take stupid shots anymore. All that. And that was kind of the moment.


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[Assistant] Alright, uhm, alright, so two things to look out for. We're done with the podcast. We are.


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[Assistant] First thing, another podcast to promote. Roto World Football Podcast, hosted by Josh Norris. That's Tuesday, Thursday, all through August.


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[Assistant] Josh is actually gonna come on the pod, uh, Kristen's on Button on Thursday. We're gonna have a little fantasy chat. I'm gonna tell him if he's in fantasy land or if he's in my land, which is reality land, but we'll have a good combo there either way. It sounds like your mind's made up already.


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[Assistant] Well, I know I'm going to give him hell at least three times during this, but Josh does great work. Uh, so Roto-World Football Podcast, check that out. And then yes, you just held up the Roto-World NFL Draft Guide. It's got projection, mocks.


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[Assistant] Alright, I've had enough of this crap. I'm done talking for today, okay? I've had it, alright? Take a break. Thanks. You've worked hard enough. Peace out. We'll be back on Thursday. Podcast. When are you coming back? Do you know? I'm going away. Take a little break. I worked for one day. I'm exhausted.


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[Assistant] About 6 weeks ago, we were doing this with the NFL Draft. You were ranking quarterbacks. I know you put a lot of time into that. And that's gotta be really difficult too, especially when you get past 1, 2, and 3. Yes. How does this process compare ranking all the top 40 NFL quarterbacks with ranking the rookies to be for QBs in the draft?


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[Assistant] The, the draft just happened, but then after about a day or two we're thinking about it, it makes sense for a lot of reasons. It made sense for a lot of reasons. If you know that you're all bought in, if the organization is all in on Adam Gase, probably a little more than they were on the former GM, Mike McHagan, it makes sense.


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[Assistant] Then, if you're recognizing it's not working right away, why wait a season? Yeah.


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[Assistant] You have the free agent season and the draft season with a lot of difficult conversations and evaluations. You know if it's a right fit. So I applaud them for doing it when they did it. They recognized it early and said this isn't going to work. Let's pull the plug.


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[Assistant] And what you said, it's the right time to evaluate other GMs. These changes so often happen December and January. Think about what a GM is doing in December and January. They are right in the middle of it.


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[Assistant] Here's my next question for the Jets. You bring up two guys who are very, very good candidates. And you know how this works. You become a hot candidate for GM spot.


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[Assistant] If you don't like the first opportunity, there's another one coming. Because if your organization is winning, the Bears are gonna win more, we think. The Eagles are gonna keep winning.


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[Assistant] If they don't like what they see with the Jets, they don't have to take that. They can say, you know what, I'm gonna stay where I am, see what happens next year. So is it an attractive enough job to leave what is a very good job right now and take a chance in New York?


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that the Jets are that team, but I do think there are situations where if you know who you are in the league, if you know you're going to be a coveted commodity as a GM in the next year or two, there are some situations that come up that are worth saying, you know what, thank you, but I'm not going to do this.


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[Assistant] And they're all looking at two things first. They're looking at the quarterback. They're looking at the head coach. Yes they are.


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[Assistant] And just for the record, I do think it's one of the jobs that you would say yes to. Sam Darnold. Yeah. I had a chance, I think you know Adam as well. I had a chance to get to know Adam before he was Adam Gase, the household name. He was an offensive assistant.


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[Assistant] Smart, funny, hard working, can't get enough of it. Now, when you become a big name, you become a head coach that's been fired, you know, things can change a little bit for anybody, but uhm, that's a football guy that I would be excited to sign up to work with.


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[Assistant] A question. Yes, okay. Yup. And I'm just gonna throw this out there, we can get into the specifics, but he's played so few significant snaps the last two years. Only been in the league once in the last two years. The last four years again.


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[Assistant] That was my question. Because Lamar Jackson has a lot of potential. Yes. We saw it last year, but he is a work in progress.


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[Assistant] I'm going to rework that last question more into an interpretation. I asked you if RG3 should be starting instead of Lamar Jackson. You said no, and there's a lot to believe in about Lamar Jackson, so I understand your response. Do you think that the Ravens would be more competitive in the AFC North? Better chance to win 10, 11, 12 games if they had RG3.


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[Assistant] I mean, at some point, and it's hard for any rookie, just in the abstract, a rookie against a really good team in the playoffs, a lot of them aren't going to have a great outing.


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[Assistant] But at some point, no matter what you build around him and how you create an offense around a quarterback's strengths, it's gonna be third down and seven in the third quarter. Exactly right. And you've gotta make a really difficult throw. Exactly. And you have to do it again later on that same drive. Exactly. He just wasn't there yet.


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[Assistant] It's interesting that you brought up a couple minutes ago about RG3, what you labeled doucheyness, about his personality with his teammates and coaches. Remember back in 2012 when it was RG3 and Andrew Luck? And Andrew Luck was the


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[Assistant] The clear-cut favorite for a long time, but I was working on a show called Path to the Draft. Sure, I used to watch it. So we're knee-deep in the draft for seven, eight hours a day, meaning, you know, what should we talk about today? It's April 2nd. The draft isn't for a while away. We've covered all this.


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[Assistant] As we were digging, there were some people who were willing to say, not on the record, but you know what? His teammates at Baylor didn't...


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[Assistant] This guy was so good in all those games. He seems like such a charismatic person when we talked to him. Not one of the guys. We didn't really go there, but that was part of the discussion that was beneath the level that he wasn't really as loved by his teammates as you would think a guy who was that good.


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[Assistant] In any, uh, any professional sport. I don't enjoy seeing them, seeing this with the quarterbacks. I always feel a special empathy for them. I'm sure you do even more because you made it at a much, much higher level. But it's amazing what some failure and some energy, uh, some injuries


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[Assistant] And humility. Exactly. Will do for a guy. Right. When, when, hey, this was a failure. You can point to coaches, teammates, GM, whatever, but this situation failed. That was a big part of it.


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[Assistant] And how they come out of the other side, uh, is really telling. And I would love to see him do well. I want to believe what you're saying, that he's grown up and matured. And you're right, he's in a good spot. It's a good team with a starting quarterback that might be great this year. He might struggle. So, I'm keeping an eye on number 36.


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[Assistant] He seems like the number one pick as a backup. You mentioned that he's ended up playing a lot for whatever reason. He's had some really good stretches of playing well, but if you had a young quarterback, whether it's Kyler Murray or Josh Rosen,


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[Assistant] Any one of the young quarterbacks, I mean, this guy's played for I think 8 different teams, been around 15 different seasons. What hasn't he seen? I don't think his ego is such where he knows he could play, but he's not in there politicking to be the guy. He's probably embracing.


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[Assistant] The backup role, I mean, I can't think of a better backup for a young quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know what any stretch of 10 games of his is gonna be? There's gonna be a lot of good. There's gonna be some inconsistency.


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[Assistant] My concern with him, and tell me if you agree with this, it's almost like one of these backhanded compliments, but he has a recent history of success. Last year, even though there were, there was more losing than winning, I think he had his best statistical year. It's up there. That he's ever had. So let's say the organization in Miami, they commit to Josh Rosen. He's our guy.


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[Assistant] What if they start out one and three, Josh is struggling a little bit. You know that you're looking at Ryan Fitzpatrick like, you know what, maybe he could come in and give us a better chance against New England. So while in one sentence, I'm going to say, I think he's the perfect backup. My concern is that the coaches with a struggle that's coming for Josh Rosen at some point.


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[Assistant] You look there and you say, boy, he played pretty well last year. Maybe we should go with him. And then two months later, you're a 500 team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think there will be that temptation. As long as Ryan Fitzpatrick is right there with a lot of good games in the recent Rearview Mirror to make that move, but I don't think that they should.


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[Assistant] So here we are on May 30th. It's not that far removed from the draft and everything that happened with Daniel Jones, a selection that high.


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[Assistant] All this conversation this last month about when's it gonna be Daniel Jones. Yea. Can Eli, I've got fatigue of that. Yea. And I would imagine we're gonna hit it in the season when it comes up again. You know it. Since it's the end of May. Yea. Thinking about Eli, driving around, writing it down, knowing that he was gonna come up on this list.


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[Assistant] The part of the discussion that interests me right now about Eli has nothing to do with this season or any rookie quarterback he's going to mentor or try to hold off the field. Do you think he's a Hall of Famer? It's a borderline. Two Super Bowl wins.


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[Assistant] In the biggest market in the country. No doubt. Can you keep him out?


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[Assistant] There is precedent with it with Jim Plunkett.


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[Assistant] Postseason games was MVP of a Super Bowl, so should Eli be in instead of Jim?


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[Assistant] To me it's as fringe as it could possibly be and bringing in a comparison that's almost exactly the same with Jim Plunkett is a really fun conversation who also has a great story.


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[Assistant] A fantastic comeback story. Yes. It was a while ago, but injuries, failures in certain places. Drafted by a bad team and the Patriots at the top.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I don't know if that's part of it or not. Kurt Warner had Hall of Fame stats in Korea. He also had a wonderful story. Yes. That I think was part of his legacy. Right. And Jim Plunkett has that as well. Yeah. Also with Eli, I think it's fun that 2004 class was so good. Oh my gosh. Eli and Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah. If you get one, one of those quarterbacks at age 25 to be your guy for the next 10 years, which one is it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, as recently as I was watching the other night, you know, kids go to bed, you get the TV to yourself. I think it was a 93 or 4 Dolphins Patriots game.


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[Assistant] Dan Marino against Drew Bledsoe. I saw it. Right. You were watching too. I was watching. I should have texted you. It was just zoom, zoom. The talent of passing of those two guys. And Dan was at, Dan was toward the end. Yes. But oh my god. I know.


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[Assistant] Uh, but all of Mike's interviews are really thoughtful and good. Of course. This one had a, a level of, it was uncomfortable because of the topics that they, they were talking about. And I thought Lance's responses were, um,


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[Assistant] We're very real and true and he was pretty honest. Uh, it's a, it's an excellent listen. I was gonna say it's an excellent watch, uh, because I saw it last night, but it will be a great listen as a podcast. So if you enjoy what Mike does, if you have interest in what Lance Armstrong is up to and how he's responding to,


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[Assistant] You should come over, and it's a big ask, cause it's not just like popping down to the city or something, but you should come over to the Tour de France sometime.


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[Assistant] Because I did not have a lot of history in the sport. I've hosted the last three or four of them.


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[Assistant] When you see these guys coming down a hill and just like, uh,


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[Assistant] The speed of an NFL game. The TV doesn't do it justice. How fast pitchers are throwing MLB. You can't really tell unless you're there. When they're riding down a mountain, 54, 55 miles per hour,


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[Assistant] It's one of those athletic times, and we're not that easy to impress, where you are like, oh my god, wow. I could never make myself do that.


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[Assistant] Okay, this is really good. Right, it's like, was he a B minus or was he a C plus? I mean, you can really go back and forth. I looked back last year just to take a little


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[Assistant] It was around 50%. Yeaah, right. They got their ass kicked, I think, up in Minnesota. Yep. Where he just really, however you want to put it, he didn't come through in the way he should have come through. No, no. I think if you look at any six game stretch of his six or seven year career in Miami, that's kind of what you get.


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[Assistant] He did start every game the first four years of his career. He did. He's had some bouts of being pretty durable.


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[Assistant] What kind of a backup, what type of a backup do you think he's gonna be? I'll lay out two categories. Number one, a terrific insurance policy. Like he's there, if you're starter, if you're number one pick, isn't panning out, he's injured.


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[Assistant] We are very comfortable going to this guy. Or, is he kind of in the background as a 1A raising my hand when you're 2 and 3 and be like, you know what?


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[Assistant] I was thinking about Ryan Tannehill driving down and we've known both kinds of guys. Uhm, and this is another question. Do you think he's gonna be more A or more B? Do you think after everything that happened in Miami, it was a struggle, it was almost good but wasn't quite good, it was more losing than winning. Do you think he is exhaling and being like, I am so happy.


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[Assistant] I'm just gonna sit back and watch from the sideline if they need me fine, but this feels pretty good, at least for this year, to sit back and relax, or as you got that fire where he's like, this sucks, I hate not playing, and I've got to get back out on the field. If they're not gonna play me here, I've gotta go somewhere where they are gonna play me.


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[Assistant] Tournament? Yeah. It's a tournament, isn't it? Right. It's also in the title France, not France. Alright. I learned that one. It's a what? Say it again.


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[Assistant] Uh, France. Tour de France. If you're talking about the country, here we are in this part of France. Yes. But if you're saying the title of the event, it's the Tour de France. Tour de France.


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[Assistant] Speaking of other properties at NBC, I want, I want to get a plug-in for what's coming this weekend. Okay. Foxboro. Yeah. Your old home. If you like lacrosse at all, you're interested at all, the PLL, it's a brand new league.


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[Assistant] Uh, started by Paul Rabel, who is basically the Michael Jordan of lacrosse. All the best players in the world are playing in it. It's on NBC all summer long. We're super excited about it. And on Saturday, two games you can watch on NBC Gold. And then on Sunday you can watch in the afternoon on NBCSN.


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[Assistant] And if you don't know, lacrosse cradling is basically the equivalent of dribbling in basketball. You kind of move it around and you're sick. My sons do it. I don't know how to do it.


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[Assistant] Enjoy the lacrosse this weekend. Hope you find something else to do after the PLL on Saturday and Sunday. Right? Yes. Snicker at me.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Sims on Button Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] I think there was a lot of really good things. There's some things, you know, there were so many different snaps, so many opportunities where we threw the football today, Bill. So there's going to be a lot of things we can go back and look at. I love the way that he continued to battle, took some shots, continued to respond. And those are things that we can take away from a positive.


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[Assistant] Uh, certainly, but I support this guy. You know, I think that's what needs to be said. I don't know.


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[Assistant] And before you get to any of that, the first things you write down, Browns offense, Jets defense, I like the Browns run game. I do. I'm a big fan of the Browns run game. It's not like you got to the point where you're like, God, would they run the ball a little bit? I might like it after seeing all this disguising. It's the first thing you notice.


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[Assistant] That's what I was going to ask, because I'm thinking back to conversations we've had about the Browns. Right. And the one concern you had was the offensive line, so why do you like the run game, but you raise your hand and say, you know what, I'm not sure about the O-line.


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[Assistant] And if the call is a run, you have to kind of know what's going on up front, but you have to know less as a quarterback in the run. So if you're a little bit fooled, it's okay in the run game.


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[Assistant] Speaking of Baker, I've highlighted here, Baker still, few plays where he is jumping for no reason. I mean, this is something you don't see from other quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Don't want to spend quite as much time with the other side, but Jets offense, so many, so many issues right now, especially quarterback Luke Falk looks to be the guy for now. Uh, so Jets offense, Browns defense, what's your headline?


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[Assistant] Alright, Rams, I'm sure, are concerned with him, thinking about him as they put their game plan together. Sunday night, Rams-Browns will be a fun one. We just hit the Browns. As for the Rams, let's start with, as you said a couple moments ago, the sexy side, the Rams offense against the Saints defense. What do you want us to know there?


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[Assistant] What can a team do defensively that would be a creative zone? Because I hear zone. Yea. I think a lot of people hear zone. They think, okay, conservative.


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[Assistant] Alright, back to the Rams offense, specifically against the Saints defense. I have highlighted here that golf was a little careful, and you underlined careful in the first half. What'd you mean?


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[Assistant] Why aren't the Rams getting more attention? I know. More buzz right now. I mean, has there been a conference champion coming back the next season to start undefeated? You're praising the offense. Yeaah. You think it can be better. Yeaah. The defense, the special teams. If I said list three or four NFC teams that you're excited about. I know. The Rams aren't going to come up, most people.


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[Assistant] I wanna quickly, which unbeaten team in the NFC West do you like the most?


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[Assistant] Okay, Saints offense, Rams defense, I've got a note here about what's happening, the latest Saints quarterback situation, but before we get to that, what did you see when they made the transition? Damn, there's a note, huh? There's a note.


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[Assistant] You can't help him, you're screwed. I think the most recent and best example of the stat sacks, I've always said it's the most misleading. It is. Just because a guy has a bunch doesn't mean he's really getting it done to the extent the way that number would make you believe. And if someone has zero, Aaron Donald has zero sacks, doesn't mean he's not affecting the passing game all the time.


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[Assistant] Do you want to talk about how he did in this game before we get to it? I think that would work better.


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[Assistant] I was just thinking about Bridgewater still wondering if you would have put him before the season in the top half of backup quarterbacks in the top 16 or in the bottom half.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, it's somewhere in between. Okay. So this is what it says. Coach Sean Payton refused to name Teddy Bridgewater as the Saints' week three starter against the Seahawks. When asked if he has to limit Taysom Hill's usage in other positions now that he's the number two quarterback, Payton responded, you're assuming he's the number two.


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[Assistant] Payton said he won't make an announcement to the media as to who will start in Seattle. The assumption has been Bridgewater will get the nod, but his leash likely isn't very long after his dreadful showing against the Rams in Relief of Breeze.


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[Assistant] I mean, put yourself in Seattle's defensive shoes, if that's possible. If you're someone who has to make a call on what they're doing. If it's Teddy Bridgewater, okay, if he plays well, he'll be 20 or 30. Right.


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[Assistant] It's a lesser version of what they've been the last 13 years. If it's Taysom Hill, it might be terrible, but it might be a really good version of something that you had no idea was coming.


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[Assistant] Seahawks, I'm sorry, the Seahawks defense, we're just talking about the Seahawks defense. That works very well. And another quarterback change from New Orleans, we go to Pittsburgh, Mason Rudolph is going to make the start there. But it was Steelers offense against the Seahawks defense last Sunday. What stood out?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Pittsburgh's offense, I mean, I watched just to take a look at Mason Rudolph, how he looked, and it's a little bit hard to tell because he doesn't have that much around him. No, it's tough. It's hard to come down on him too hard.


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[Assistant] If you're making the call for Jacksonville, would you really want to give him up?


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[Assistant] Alright. I mean, he's earning his damn money, I know that. I watched a little bit of this, this morning, I thought he looked, I mean, I've got, the bar is set very high for him. Yes. In and out of the pocket. Right. He is as on top of his game, only two weeks. Yeaah. But he looks fantastic. Fantastic. Did you see any, like,


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[Assistant] Just run straight. Oh, there is something to that, because... There is. ...based off of listening to you the last couple weeks, I watched...


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[Assistant] The Cowboys, boy, we'll talk about that down the road. Yes. As you've said with what they do.


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[Assistant] But it's like you just dial it back from an A with creativity to somewhere in the C's.


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[Assistant] And I highlighted this because Seahawks fans, I mean, if this is true and it plays out this way, this is the best thing you've written. Not something you would have said a lot of in the past?


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[Assistant] So Phil, it sounds like you were surprised that they made this move, but once you got past that initial surprise, do you think it was the right move, the right time to go from Manning to Daniel Jones?


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[Assistant] One anecdotal question here, about a half hour ago, maybe it was longer ago. Chris was telling the story about the day you got released from the Giants, I think June of 94, he was up in his room, he's in middle school, said, Dad comes up, he didn't come to my room very often, he comes in, shuts the door and sits down, and we never got to what Phil said to you and how he explained it.


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[Assistant] I could, I couldn't put a tag on it this way, cause I'm not related. Phil was, he went to the Pro Bowl the year before, which, going to the Pro Bowl meant something, meant a lot, and they were 11-5 that year. 11-5, and yeah, that's that.


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[Assistant] People praising you about your job in front of your kid, I mean, that's really cool.


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[Assistant] Drop back pass game, only question to this offense.


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[Assistant] And I can't believe how many times I've noticed just this week after listening to you talk about how important it is to get under center. Yeaah. Cause I love the fact that so many people are in shotgun. Right. Cause it feels like it's easier to play quarterback in the shotgun. Yeaah, okay. But the play action from under center is so much better when you keep an eye out for it.


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[Assistant] If you picture when you're in the shotgun for everybody at home, a little quick ride of the running back makes the guys freeze for a moment. Exactly. But when you're under center and take those three big steps, like you're gonna hand it off to the running back, the amount of flow you get and the confusion. And more downhill.


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[Assistant] You can recover from the little hesitation that gives you. Right. It's hard to recover when three or four guys are sold on a second and a half fake. Yep. Thank you for pointing that out. No problem. Everything looks different.


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[Assistant] Not all the way in the trust tree. And I asked this question earlier, so I think I know the answer. But it feels like just from listening to you, I can block out that I think you said you like Seattle best. It sounds like you like San Francisco.


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[Assistant] Moving on. Yeah. Baltimore offense. Baltimore offense. Against an NFC West defense in the Cardinals. We talked about it a couple days ago and raved about what Lamar Jackson did. Yes. Statistically, you've had time to study what he did. I took a glance at it as well. Cool. So let's get right to Lamar Jackson. Yeah. Your headline there. Your film deep dive headline from him.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying he's as good as Drew, I'm not saying he's the second best quarterback in the league, but his rhythm and balance and footwork and speed and getting the top of his drop and being ready to throw a 20 yard out or a 5 yard under whatever the play requires is as good as anybody.


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[Assistant] You mentioned flexible arm, and to me a lot of times it's so whippy that it comes out in a really nice way, but sometimes because his arm is flexible like you said, I feel like


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[Assistant] There's a little loop where it comes back, like if you froze it, it would be back here instead of right here. It just gets a little bit out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah. You know what I mean? Thinking about uh, drivers and all that, it's nice to have whip. And it's nice when his whip is through. When his whip comes back like that sometimes, I feel like it can affect his accuracy.


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[Assistant] And that was the 3rd and 11 that they converted. And we always have the rhetorical question, oh it's 3rd and 15, it's 3rd and 10, 3rd and 20. You got a good call on 3rd and long, and on two different occasions, on 3rd and 20, Jackson got 19 on a quarterback draw, which helped him get a field goal, so that's a very good call.


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[Assistant] And that the best thing that they could do to to improve upon that. So like in three or four weeks, you're not talking about and the red zone. They just run a bunch of.


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[Assistant] We have one more to get to, and we have to get to this. Kansas City offense against the Raiders defense. Especially the second quarter. I had written down, highlighted, and circled, and your dad brought it up. Kansas City offensive line is way beyond good. He's taking drops.


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[Assistant] And they're just, they're amazing to watch. Best compliment you can pay Patrick Mahomes, that is based off of what you saw on that day. That was great, that was awesome.


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[Assistant] Talked about their offensive line and how really underrated it is for him to take the kind of drops he takes and have that kind of time. Let's tackle Eric Fisher out four to six weeks. How big of a deal is that?


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[Assistant] Doing this with you once or twice a week is forcing me to watch a little bit more and, uh, a little more.


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[Assistant] I don't think we've given enough credit or I didn't give him enough credit, him being Patrick Mahomes, for locating


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[Assistant] What is the best matchup and getting it to him right away? That cognitive, the recognition at snap and the ball goes where it's supposed to go. In addition to the old line being good, his arm is ridiculous, his coach is awesome. His recognition at the snap and getting it to the right spot is much better than I gave him credit for.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're just talking about the Chiefs. We don't have to make anybody feel good about the 2-0 team. There are some 0-2 teams. Yep. That it's up to you as we put a wrap on the show to help people feel good about the 0-2 team.


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[Assistant] When you hear guys like us say, I don't know if he can last run in this much. What do you say to us?


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[Assistant] I was gonna go the under in Broncos bills and I should have instead of the Falcons. I took Baltimore to cover and I'd say they covered by a few.


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[Assistant] Yeah, look, this is all gut-feel type of a game, and I hate picking against the 49ers, but the Ravens are...


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[Assistant] As good as any team we've seen in the regular season in recent years. Seven straight victories, blowouts, back to back weeks over teams with winning records. First team ever to win by 34 or more points.


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[Assistant] In consecutive games against winning teams. It's incredible what the Ravens have been doing. I like them to hold serve at home. I don't think it's going to be a blowout by either team.


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be a close game. Justin Tucker field goal type of a game. 24-21. I hadn't seen the over-under before I picked my score. I got 45 total points. The over-under is 46.5. But I got the 49ers covering.


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[Assistant] Because the Ravens, five and a half, I feel like it's a little bit high. I like the Ravens to win. But I like the 49ers to cover. I got 24-21. It's gonna be a great game.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't want to jinx Lamar Jackson, but we constantly worry about him possibly getting injured. I hope this isn't the game where it happens, because that 49ers defense, they've got the weaponry to hit him, and hit him hard, and hit him legally, and I just hope he finds a way to avoid the big hits like he has all year.


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[Assistant] They still have to play the Rams and the Seahawks. They have the heat on them from the Seattle Seahawks. They cannot afford to have a false move. Already it's feeling like week 17 is going to be


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[Assistant] The NFC West championship game, which has the one seed hanging in the balance when San Francisco goes to Seattle. And look, are they going to win every game? Are they going to go 15-1? Are they going to be 14-1 going into that?


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[Assistant] Last game of the season. Wouldn't that be something if they're 14 and 0 against the rest of the league and 0 and 2 against the Seahawks? We're getting ahead of ourselves. I don't think they're going to win on Sunday because I just feel like at some point, at some point they have to step into that pothole like they did against the Seahawks when they're playing this unprecedented gauntlet of great teams with all of the teams above


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[Assistant] 80% winning percentage, three in a row. It's never happened in the Super Bowl era. If the Saints beat the Falcons tomorrow night, it will indeed be three in a row with the opponents over 80% winning percentage. I just, I feel like the Ravens at home.


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[Assistant] That energy, and they continue to be pushing toward a higher and higher level of performance. I, I love this one. And you know, remember it was...


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[Assistant] Eight years ago, on Thanksgiving night, Ravens 49ers, when it was the Harbaugh brothers, a year before they met in the Super Bowl, we felt like this was going to be a special matchup for years to come, and here we are, one Harbaugh's still there, the other one's gone, but it's still gonna be a great game.


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[Assistant] I think that the Panthers roll up the Washington franchise. I think the Panthers getting increasingly desperate. They need to win games. Ron Rivera's job is on the line, and this is a Washington team that they should beat. Hey, Washington gotta win. They can exhale. And that's the


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[Assistant] I don't want to go get off my lawn with the whole Dwayne Haskins taking the selfies while the game was still playing. He shouldn't have done that. No. But I think that incident is a microcosm of the victory lap that they're gonna take. They don't expect to go to Carolina and win.


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[Assistant] So they won't. They got their win over the Lions and maybe they'll get one more down the stretch. But I really don't see this team Thanksgiving week locking in and focusing the way they need to in order to go to Carolina and give them a good game. So I think the Panthers


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[Assistant] Start getting themselves back in the right direction. They were dangerously close to beating the Saints. I think that gives them a little lift as they try to make a late run at the postseason.


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[Assistant] We talked on, I think, PFT Live about whether or not the Giants will put Eli Manning on the field late in the year as kind of a farewell tour and


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[Assistant] On the open market because you're not gonna be back in Cincinnati next year. So I, I don't know that this is gonna matter for the Bengals. I think that they gave their best shot to the Steelers and now this is kind of the rebound. Again, bad teams.


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[Assistant] I'd love to do the research on this, but my guess is that bad teams who are underdogs, Thanksgiving week, my guess is they do horribly against the spread because


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[Assistant] It's Thanksgiving week. They're not in the playoff chase. Who the hell cares? And I feel like that mindset's gonna apply to the Bengals. And the Jets, who are playing for something, until they step into the buzzsaw that is the Ravens in a couple of weeks, the Jets are turning it around, and I think the Jets go there, and I think the Jets win fairly easily. I've got 30 to 17.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the Bengals could make it closer. Not sure it's gonna be one of my best bets, but I do like the Jets. 30 to 17, which would mean they would cover easily the 3.5 point spread.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, horribly inconsistent Titans team that seems to be settling in and winning some games, but the cults, look, the cults are better than six and five. And if the cults want to get to the playoffs, this is one they have to win. It's not quite an elimination game, obviously.


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[Assistant] To fall to 6-6 with all those teams that are in that cluster of 6-5 and 5-6 right now in the AFC, that would hurt the Colts immeasurably. Jonathan Williams played well in place of Marlon Mack, who will be out again. Jacobri Percett is getting more and more healthy in the aftermath of that knee injury. I just feel like this is one the Colts have to win. They find a way to win it.


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[Assistant] Bad decision on 4th and 7th didn't help with 3 minutes left and a failure to take a closer look at whether or not there was a camera angle showing that Darius Leonard had recovered a fumble with 1.42 to play.


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[Assistant] I, I, I just like the Colts in this one. Close game. 21-20. Colts over the Titans. That means Titans cover, but Colts win. Threading the needle. I'm doing the Chris Sims needle thread on this one, but I do like the Colts, but I don't like it to be a blowout. I like it to be a very close, exciting game. Maybe an Adam Vinatieri kick is what's gonna decide it.


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[Assistant] I like your viking horn better. Okay, I'll get to that later.


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[Assistant] I was bracing for it. I like the Buccaneers in this one. 34 to 31. No rhyme or reason to it. The Jaguars have been disappointing ever since Nick Foles came back into the lineup. The Buccaneers


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[Assistant] Have a greater chance to get to the postseason than the Jaguars, I believe. And, you know, Tom Coughlin had a press conference on Wednesday and I haven't seen it yet. It was described to me by one person as


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[Assistant] Bananas. So I feel like the pressure is on the Jaguars, and I don't think Kauffman knows how to keep his nose out of Doug Marrone's business, frankly, and it's one of the reasons why Jalen Ramsey's not there anymore. As you said over the weekend, the Super Bowl window has closed. I think it's been boarded up for the Jaguars, and I'm going back to that.


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[Assistant] Bad team, Thanksgiving week, who gives a shit mindset, and the Buccaneers have more to play for, and I think the Buccaneers go in there and they get the win 34 to 31.


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[Assistant] A passing game that has two receivers over a thousand yards, and Bruce Ariens, the coach of the Buccaneers said the goal is for Chris Godwin and Mike Evans to both have 1,500 plus yards. I'd say the goal is to get to the playoffs, and the other stuff doesn't matter, but they do have the passing attack, and if Jameis Winston can minimize the mistakes, then this is a game the Buccaneers should be able to win.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but, but, but I just, I, I don't disagree with that, but I just feel like the Jaguars recognize they ain't running the table. Yeaah, okay. You know? 33 to 13, they lost to the Colts, and then they lost last week, handily to the Titans, and I think that kind of breaks your spirit, and I think it's going to be very hard to recover from that, and, and I'm down, look, this reminds me of


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[Assistant] When I picked the cults to beat the raiders, and the raiders beat the cults, I was pissed at the cults. I'm pissed at the jaguars.


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[Assistant] Because we picked them to win the division, and they're screwing us, those selfish bastards. How dare they not win enough games to make us look smart. So I'm kinda pissed at the Jaguars, and that's why I'm leaning Buccaneers. And I know that's not a good reason, but I can't think of any other reason. So I'm going with that one.


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[Assistant] That nine and a half's a little bit rich for me because of the uncertainties with injuries. I still have the Eagles 24 to 13. I don't know if it's going to be a best bet.


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[Assistant] The Eagles need this one, whether the Cowboys win or lose. If the Cowboys win, they desperately need it in order to stay within a game of the Cowboys. If the Cowboys lose, it's an opportunity to pull even with four games left. Either way, this is one, this is a game that, it's like a qualification.


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[Assistant] And if you lose it, you're disqualified. If you lose this game, you got no business going to the postseason.


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[Assistant] So if the Eagles are serious about being a team that can get to the playoffs, you cannot lose the Miami Dolphins. They have to go down there and take care of business. Keep it simple. Run the ball.


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[Assistant] Build a lead and hold on. And I think this is a chance for Carson Wentz to start to quiet some of the doubters. People are saying should the Eagles regret the contract they gave to him? If he keeps playing like he did last week, the answer is yes. So I think that's a big part of this as well. I like the Eagles in this one. And the Dolphins again.


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[Assistant] I really want to go back and look carefully.


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[Assistant] How the underdogs who are shit teams do this week. Cause I think they're all gonna fail to cover because it's Thanksgiving week and it's easier to lose your focus when you're not playing for anything this week. I agree. And so it's another reason I think the Eagles are gonna win. In cover. 24 13.


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[Assistant] Look at what the Titans and the Buccaneers did. Yeaah. They waited. Right. With Marcus Mario and Jameis Winston. Right. They waited. Right. And...


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[Assistant] What's the rush? Why do you, I understand. I get, you're right. I've argued in the past, once a quarterback, once any player who was a high first round pick has three years in and he's earned his contract, you should give it to him. But unless you're damn sure about the guy, especially at quarterback,


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[Assistant] They're not gonna hold out. You can worry about a running back holding out, defensive lineman holding out. Your quarterback is not gonna hold out in year four. It's not gonna happen. There's no reason to do it.


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[Assistant] And he got worked by Ryan Toner into doing that contract before they needed to. They waited with Aaron Donald until his fifth year. Why did they have to rush with Todd Gurley and Jared Goff after three years? I can't figure that out. The message to all the other coaches and GMs when you have a first round quarterback.


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[Assistant] Why rush? I mean, the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, why rush? Everybody's saying, oh, he's getting a $200 million contract after this season. What is he going to do? Is he not going to show up?


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[Assistant] He's not going to do anything. Take advantage of that situation and wait to make your decision. Not that my home is going to go south, but whether any of these guys, Deshaun Watson, any of these guys, uh, who have their third year in.


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[Assistant] Why are you rushing to sign a quarterback to a long-term big money deal with only three years of experience? Especially when you have two years left under the first round rookie, uh, contract.


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[Assistant] So I just, it astounds me. And the Buccaneers and the Titans did the right thing. And the Eagles and the Rams, by moving when they did, I think they made a mistake. Even if Wentz ultimately validates and vindicates the contract, there was no reason for the Eagles to move when they did.


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[Assistant] Yeah, look, the Packers for the second straight time, they went to California, they got embarrassed. They still are eight and three, and they still have an opportunity, not just to win the division, but to get a bye. And look, this is when you, you prove your worth as a good team. You hammer a bad team. That Thanksgiving week dynamic that I


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[Assistant] After 18 years of doing this, I finally put two and two together and realized that some of these bad teams may not care as much during Thanksgiving week. And you have a Packers team that desperately needs this game. I think they win. I think they win easily. And, uh, I need to find the score here. I need to scroll down. And, uh, I'm buying time as I scroll down. I have 27 to 10 Packers over the Giants. And, and this is just one where, you know, the Packers,


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[Assistant] They can run the table. Their toughest game left is at Minnesota Week 16. They could go 4-1. They should go at least 4-1 and finish 12-4 and that may be good enough.


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[Assistant] So I think the Packers know what's in front of them. They have games they should be able to win and they get it started with the Giants and they put that, that, that bad experience from last Sunday night out of their minds forever.


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[Assistant] No, no, I, I still, look, I still am, there's three home games for the Giants in December, and I'm still wondering, will we see Eli Manning for one of them? Uh, and, and how they perform on Sunday, you know, if they keep


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[Assistant] And I think the question's gonna start to come up after Sunday, if they lose the way I think they are. I think the question, somebody's gonna ask Pat Shermer, is there a chance Eli Manning gets one game on the way out the door? I think it's finally gonna come up. I've been waiting for it, I think it comes up if they lose on Sunday.


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[Assistant] This is one of those games that the Steelers win. This is just like the Rams game where I don't care that the Steelers were the underdogs. This is a game the Steelers win. And I've got 17-13 grinded out, low scoring, play defense,


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[Assistant] Duck Hodges coming in to do just enough. He didn't make a lot of great throws on Sunday to beat the Bengals, but he did just enough with that long throw and catch by James Washington. So I do like the Steelers and I hope it doesn't get ugly in the stands. There was a report yesterday that


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[Assistant] Maybe the Steelers wouldn't let Browns fans wear Miles Garrett jerseys. They will.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's a suggestion that the game was moved from 425 PM Eastern to 1 PM Eastern in order to keep fans from being excessively lubricated for the game, which they're never going to admit that that's why they did it, because they don't want it to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, because hell, people can get real drunk in the morning and carry it over to one o'clock, but I think it's smart.


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[Assistant] They need to be careful. I'm more concerned about the fans than I am about the players because I think the officials are going to be watching more closely than ever how the players interact. And, uh, I, I, you know, it should be a compelling game though. I kind of wish it was a standalone game at 425 or at least one of a few games at 425. But, uh, I like the Steelers.


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[Assistant] And it would move them to seven and five and keep them very much alive for a wild card birth.


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[Assistant] The injury reports aren't out yet. It's Wednesday. That's the problem. I mean, did you just miss Schuster missed last week's game? Right. James Connor was out. Yeah. But we haven't seen anything going into, uh, this week. And that's the problem with doing this on a Wednesday. We've gotten no guidance from any of the Sunday teams as to who's injured and who's not injured.


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[Assistant] Mike Tomlin, hang on a second, Mike Tomlin does his midweek press conference on Tuesday. He said yesterday that Juju Smith Schuster with a knee and a concussion and James Connor with his shoulder injury remained questionable for this week. He said he didn't have a lot of


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[Assistant] I'm undecided on this one. I've gone back and forth. The Rams have a very, very difficult pill to process in only six days. And they've never dealt with anything like this. It was the worst loss the Rams have ever suffered in the LA Coliseum, ever.


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[Assistant] Not just over the last three years since they came back, but ever, when they played there all those decades between moving from Cleveland and leaving for St. Louis. Oh wait, they were in Anaheim for a while too. But still, still, ever, ever, ever.


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[Assistant] I want the Cardinals to win and I feel like it's affecting my assessment of the game. Right. And I don't like that.


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[Assistant] Which, I wish the spread wasn't three. Let me do Rams 31, Cardinals 27, so at least I'm picking someone to cover the spread. Rams 31, Cardinals 27, final answer. I did have the Cardinals 30-27 when we started this, but I'm changing my position. Rams


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[Assistant] Barely cover, win the game, and keep their slim playoff hopes alive.


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[Assistant] 2017, it was Deshaun Watson. 2018, it was Patrick Mahomes. 2019, it's Lamar Jackson. I think in 2020, it's gonna be Kyler Murray.


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[Assistant] Well, you know what? This just feels like one of those weeks that the Broncos are due to win a game. There's no rhyme or reason to it.


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[Assistant] Uh, they had the 20 point lead in Minnesota and they lost and then they got beat by a Bills team in Buffalo that is gonna be hard to beat there.


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[Assistant] But the Chargers with some extra time to get ready, and, you know, they're trying to say all the right things, but Philip Rivers has not looked good, and, you know, to the extent that the team is thinking about moving on from him after,


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[Assistant] for the Broncos to, to steal it. 20 to 17. They won't lose their ninth game. They eventually will, but they won't lose it on Sunday. And when they do, that'll be their first time that they'll have three straight losing seasons since 70, 71, 72. But I like them.


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[Assistant] I'm starting to wonder when Anthony Lin's gonna be in trouble. Well why? And I hate to say that. Why? I don't know. He shouldn't be. Here's why, here's why. At some point, and I love Anthony Lin as a coach, he was a coach of the year candidate last year. Okay.


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[Assistant] And when you fire your offensive coordinator during the season, that's a sign that you're starting to feel the heat. You don't just do that because you feel like it, right? Uhm, I-


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[Assistant] At some point, somebody in that Chargers organization is going to realize the only way they're gonna make it in LA is with some sizzle. And there's nothing about that team other than Joey Bosa and maybe Derwin James, if he can stay healthy, that says sizzle.


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[Assistant] They need a coach that says sizzle. They need a quarterback that says sizzle. They need receivers that say sizzle. You still have to be good, but if they want to win...


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[Assistant] The market. And the opening's there, as the Rams regress.


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[Assistant] You know, the Rams made an all in bet and they didn't have the cards. Now they don't have a first round pick next year, first round pick the year after. Who knows if Jalen Rams is going to want to stay. They're stuck with Jared Goff for three more years after this year. Todd Gurley is going to be gone after this season unless he re-does his deal.


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[Assistant] Cater to the entertainment aspect and still win.


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[Assistant] But that's why I'm saying, I just, I feel like eventually the light's gonna come on for somebody in the Chargers organization.


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[Assistant] It's an entertainment business and you gotta convince the people in LA to show up and support you. Not the visiting team that you play. Every week you have a home game, but you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and look, before the Raiders lost to the Jets, I was talking myself into thinking this is going to be an exciting game that could go either way.


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[Assistant] I've got Chiefs 30, Raiders 21. It was 28-10 when they got together in Oakland earlier this year. You know, the Chiefs had the extra time to get ready. They know what the stakes are here. They need to win this game. They can't afford to stumble against the Raiders. And, and they still have a shot at a buy here because


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[Assistant] Throughout the playoffs, they at least need to win the division. And if they beat the Raiders, uh, they'll probably put themselves in position to do that. So, I like the Chiefs 30 to 21. That means I'm let, uuuh, let me go 31-21. 31-21, so it's a Chiefs cover.


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[Assistant] I don't want to do that, that half point Raiders backdoor bullshit cover. I'll take the Chiefs to cover 31-21 and, uh, they'll be on their way to the, to the, uh, AFC West Championship.


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[Assistant] I mentioned it earlier today, so you don't listen to me. It's going to be in the upper 30s at kickoff, and the wind's going to be in the range of 16 miles per hour. Right, okay, very good. You're right, I don't listen to you.


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[Assistant] Once again, the injury report doesn't come out until afterwards.


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[Assistant] Are you done? Are you done? I just think that the Patriots recognize that the heat is on them. They don't want to go to Baltimore for an AFC Championship game rematch. They need to keep winning and keep winning and keep winning as long as the Ravens keep winning. And, uh, we've seen this movie before. The Texans may make it interesting.


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[Assistant] Bill Belichick owns Billy Oh and uh, he's gonna own him again with that defense. Lockdown DeAndre Hopkins with Stephon Gilmore.


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[Assistant] And uh, try to confuse and confound Deshaun Watson. Keep him in that pocket. Don't let him run free. Uh, swarm, swarm, swarm and do just enough with your offense to outscore their offense. I do like the Patriots to win.


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[Assistant] I'm not an idiot. The Seahawks are, and you said this earlier today when we did the power rankings on PFT Live, there is a cluster of five teams that are cut above everyone else. And it's the 49ers, the Ravens, the Patriots, the Saints, and the Seahawks. And in the next cut are the Packers and the Vikings, and then it goes down from there, and the Chiefs. Uh, eh, this is a test of your formula.


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[Assistant] Seahawks should win this game. And the Vikings look like


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[Assistant] Crap, the first quarter, the first half of the game against Denver the last time we saw them. And yes, they beat the Cowboys in prime time, and hey, maybe they'll, maybe they'll win another prime time game, but I don't see it happening until


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[Assistant] They play the Packers at home in four weeks or three and a half weeks in prime time. I think their, their Chargers game is going to get flexed out of prime time because of the Chargers, not because of the Vikings. But, uh, Seahawks, even though Mike Zimmer's defense, very good at controlling.


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[Assistant] And containing Russell Wilson, they got a pleasant surprise in Rashad Penny last week, but I think the Seahawks defense will be able to stop Dalvin Cook and Alexander Madison. And I don't think Kirk Cousins will be able to have the kind of night.


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[Assistant] That we've seen him have recently, although, you know, right now, Kirk Cousins has the highest passer rating among starters, and Russell Wilson is just behind him. And hey, prove me wrong, right? If I'm wrong, I'll admit it.


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[Assistant] This is an opportunity for the Vikings to crash that party at the top of the league. I don't think they're ready to do it. I think the Seahawks win. If you remember last year's Monday night game, and I know a lot's different, last year's Monday night game in Seattle between these two teams was


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[Assistant] A disaster for the Vikings. They could do nothing offensively. They could have played 12 quarters and the Vikings wouldn't have been able to get anything going. Now this year they may be able to do a little bit more, but I think the Seahawks are better offensively. Their defense has gotten better on the fly.


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[Assistant] Jadavia and Clowney is going to be a key injury watch in this one. He didn't play last week. He was so dominant that Monday night against the 49ers. But you know, 18 and 2 at home in prime time under Pete Carroll, how can you pick


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[Assistant] Anyone versus the Seahawks when that game is being played at night.


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[Assistant] And I got 24-20, if I didn't mention it, earlier Seahawks over the Vikings, and you tried to bait me into taking the Vikings, but I think, do we agree on every game except 49ers Ravens? No, no, we did not. Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, and Denver Chargers.


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[Assistant] Alright, well you have a chance, a little bit of a chance. You still got a long way to go there, Christopher. I still have a, uh, what's my lead? Four games straight up, three best bets.


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[Assistant] It has been proven at least over the last two years. Do we have the graphic?


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[Assistant] I'm onto something. It should say 2017-2018. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.


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[Assistant] Two and fourteen straight up, four and twelve against the spread in twenty seventeen were the underdogs thanksgiving weekend. Twenty eighteen, three and twelve straight up, five and ten against the spread thanksgiving weekend. The underdogs, the shit teams, the bad teams, they do not


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[Assistant] Against them. And really, based on those numbers, and my guess is if we peel out the games where both teams were still playing for something, if we just went with the shit team underdogs from those weeks, it would be overpowering, it would be clear.


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[Assistant] The team that's still alive is going to focus and the team that's done is going to have a belly full of food and they're not going to care and they're going to get their asses kicked and then they'll worry about trying to win football games next week.


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[Assistant] And all the stuff at home, right? If you got a family, you got Thanksgiving stuff to worry about, and who's coming over, and somebody's gotta go to the store, and somebody's gotta cook. It just throws your routine, your personal routine, upside down. And if you are playing for a team that blows, it's not an unwelcome distraction. Right. So, alright.


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[Assistant] Next up, Green Bay Packers going against a shit team, all due respect, that isn't playing for anything Thanksgiving week. Packers win, cover the six and a half point spread. Damn.


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[Assistant] Uh, I can't remember, but uh, more than six and a half points.


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[Assistant] You had a 27-10. 27-10. Yup. Okay, and now give me your last one.


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[Assistant] Last one, I'm liking this over under stuff, and there's, and again, I look at it very, very objectively and dispassionately, and the feeling just has to naturally come that the number's off. And this week, the number is off in Arizona. 47 and a half is two.


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[Assistant] Low, bet the over, jam the over, they're scoring more than 47 and a half points when the Rams and the Cardinals get together on Sunday afternoon. Okay, alright, you're going with the over. Alright, uhm, mmm.


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[Assistant] Let me just share, let me just share, what was that? Did you fart? No.


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[Assistant] What is your obsession with wanting to get people fired all the time? What is your obsession with wanting Ezekiel Elliott to hold out this spring? And then he turns out to be a real piece of shit, you stupid fucking big-eared galoot. So happy Thanksgiving on that.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, we just had some fun talking about different subjects. You know, I think my opening comment was, um, raise your hand if you...


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[Assistant] If you, I don't know if you disagree, did you think, uh, Christian McCaffrey was gonna be at every down running back at the NFL? And of course, nobody thought he was really gonna have an impact at every down running back, which he has done and done even better than you can ever expect, I think. Right.


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[Assistant] Right, in three weeks he's the best in the game. I got a better term for you. Yeah. Think of Dalvin Cook as this. Okay, who went out there and started helping coach in, in Minneapolis, Minnesota?


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[Assistant] And my last one was, uh, what else did I say that I kinda liked? I just said, hey, I got some info. I give everybody, you know, some information or I want to help you out. Josh Allen, uh, Daniel Jones, get down. You know, you can only take so many hits.


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[Assistant] And then Daniel Jones, I don't know if he's gonna have much choice. He's gonna get hit.


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[Assistant] His movement or his, uh, reading of the defense and making decisions were so fast and I gotta tell you, his getting rid of the football looked faster here, this game, than it was in preseason, which I thought was really good.


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[Assistant] You know, even the thrall where he could have been intercepted by the safety, I don't know which one it was for. First off, just to talk about this, Tampa Bay was all over him. In other words,


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[Assistant] They got hit, but Tampa Bay was all over it. Then they bledst and they hit Evan Ingram.


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[Assistant] I was really impressed with Daniel Jones, but I still was impressed with Tampa's defense how down that goal line, Paul, if you watch it really close.


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[Assistant] I mean, they had it like, we know the play or whatever, they did a great job and we did everything, but what? Who's got the quarterback?


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[Assistant] I think the fact that he just got rid of it so quick and again some blitzes and things like that and he took chances. Now look.


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[Assistant] The way the defenses can, three straight games now.


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[Assistant] You know, I hate to put things like that, but you know, five total would probably be okay. I don't know, I didn't look at their schedule tough, but...


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[Assistant] Boy, you know, they're just not slowing people down.


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[Assistant] Earlier today Bart Scott and Maggie Gray down on WFAN and I said I wish the Giants backup running back was just some big plugger.


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[Assistant] Cause that would really help, you know, when you're trying to, when you have to throw the ball a little more than you probably want to.


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[Assistant] But, you know, as I've said to you, Christopher, to Paul, to you too, that the Giants do have a pretty good selection of plays.


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[Assistant] And, you know, ways to get the football down the field. They've shown that in the first three games. So, uhm, first and foremost, protect the quarterback and let's see what happens with the team from there.


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[Assistant] Yep, it was a regular season game. He did a game and he came around. It was like the Red Sea parted. He was coming right at me and I saw him.


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[Assistant] And Gary Shirk, I, I, what was it? Gary Shirk? That would have been my rookie years. That couldn't have been him. There was a tight end open right over the middle. And I said, Oh my God, I got to raise up and throw this or should I just take the sack? So I raised up. I threw it. He put his helmet right in my chest, which was legal. And I flew in the air, landed on my butt. And the next day I got up.


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[Assistant] My chest hurt so bad and my chest popped. So if I, you know, pulled my shoulders back, my chest popped for like 15 years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but pop, like the ball went like, cause I almost had a little build up there from where he hit me, and I had a sack of blood.


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[Assistant] And I woke up the next morning, you know, rolling bed, we lost and I went, Oh God, you know, I never hurt when we won.


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[Assistant] Then they would pick me up, and then I've told you the story, they picked me up. Both of them at the same time. They picked me up.


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[Assistant] They're slapping me on the rear and going, out of the way, hang in there now, you can do it, hang in there. And I thought, are they, are they like saying they admire me or they just want to kill me?


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[Assistant] I think they admired me, yes. I know they did. They even said to me, oh man, we love you. Wish you were playing with us. I said, well, Randall's not bad. No, we wish we had you. Okay.


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[Assistant] And I threw the ball away both times, I couldn't even get the drop, just threw it.


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[Assistant] The nicest guy in the world. Right. But man, I mean they change rules because of him.


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[Assistant] Four o'clock game, little drizzly, giant stadium, we're beating them, I'm going up and down the field, and the defense is, I feel great.


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[Assistant] And I think I missed one game, uh, is all I missed from it, but it could've, you know, it could've been really bad. I remember seeing him play when he was with the Philadelphia Stars, he picked up Doug Flutie.


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[Assistant] And he tore him into the ground and Doug Plooty was out. So that was Reggie's move, to grab you, pin you, and then...


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[Assistant] Lay 310 pounds right on top of you. Sounds like fun. You're very good at it.


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[Assistant] I will say this, I watched a lot of films so far, the Minnesota. I think that, you know, I don't know if I said this to you already, but I think there's the three teams. When I look at the NFC North, I think it's the best division in football.


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[Assistant] I think that every team now after three games, three of those four teams know


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[Assistant] What they're gonna be and who they want. They're going there and I can see their vision. And the one team I can't see is who.


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[Assistant] Okay, where are we going with this still? I still don't quite see it, but I do with all the others. I see what Green Bay's doing. Minnesota has got it ironed out pretty well. They're protecting their line. They're protecting the depth of their defense. They got the runner. They know what they're doing. They're getting tougher.


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[Assistant] You know, all those things, and I think we're seeing kind of the same thing with Green Bay. You said it to me. You know, Aaron Rodgers, after the game, this face.


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[Assistant] You know, not to dodge everybody, you know, that, that's uhm,


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[Assistant] Something that really, cause I kinda watched all of them this week, and then the other one is the Indianapolis Coat.


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[Assistant] We gotta, I'm not gonna put him there yet, but I'm trying to. Frank Reich's design and play call.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, all you gotta do, well, you watched the whole game and I watched it close.


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[Assistant] And I was writing a bunch of stuff down, I was writing down plays I liked, and I looked at it and said, God, I have 15 plays written down here, I think that's a little too much. But,


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[Assistant] And I always kinda go, what the hell is that? We wanna run the clock out. Oh wow, okay, no kidding. Right. But, he did, he had plays, sit, still sitting there, that he ran, that worked, that won the game for him.