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[Assistant] Rather than just be like, I need an easy day.


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[Assistant] Rather an easy day, an easy day followed by three hard days might be a good thing to do. Let me see, maybe I can do that. But we've run into a little bit of a...


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[Assistant] Problem with even establishing what a bow bow day is. So this is interesting to me.


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[Assistant] That was very difficult. You said you gassed completely, which something somebody would not.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's part of the idea here is to find these other rhythms because ideally in a fight you need many vocabularies, different tempos, so you can change tempo and your opponent can't.


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[Assistant] You find the tempo that your opponent doesn't like, and then you go walk through that tempo for a little bit. But you found it to be...


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[Assistant] Stressful, and also he didn't, it doesn't sound like he, I don't even, I haven't even been there. He sounds like he doesn't even actually fully get it.


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[Assistant] There's a weird thing that when you throw a proper soft strike, by my judgement, it's slow and it speeds up at the end.


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[Assistant] So you go whoop, poom, whoop, poom. So you feel that whoop, that little thing, that little sting and contact point. Whereas everybody does it the opposite way. They start out normal, then they slow it down as they get to the body. Which is totally the wrong thing to be doing in a fight.


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[Assistant] This is also another thing is you have to learn how you're a very accommodating, kind person and shy. I think you need to learn how to actually speak up.


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[Assistant] And verbally control the environment. A lot of people are like this, they don't wanna say...


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[Assistant] That's too hard. Like, it's probably women especially. In gyms.


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[Assistant] Like, you actually can say things that control. You don't just have to control it with your fists.


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[Assistant] Well, part of, part of training isn't just like training hard, but...


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[Assistant] You train, you're training yourself into how do I want to respond when I feel tired, when I feel depressed, when I feel defeated, when I feel great. Like, when I feel these things, what are, what's the groove that I want to fall into?


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[Assistant] You're a different person many times during the month. Maybe hormonally, but just even psychologically. You're not always the same person.


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[Assistant] In a fight, you are not always the same fighter. Depends on your opponent or what happened 30 minutes before you got in the ring. So you basically are learning to train yourself in various states of advantages and disadvantages. And that rawness is a very big one.


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[Assistant] Okay, well maybe this is the point where we, we start and stop. Okay. Because we're, we'll go to that, we're going to go to that topic which is closely related, right?


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[Assistant] Okay, so this is topic number two, closely related to where we just ended topic number one.


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[Assistant] As you went forward and fought this incredible number of fights and trained liter- I don't know that there's anyone trained- who's trained in Thailand like you for... I don't know, was it- has it been 7 years? 8 years?


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[Assistant] Nine years. Honestly Sylvie took...


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[Assistant] Other than like a broken hand or something or the flu or something?


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[Assistant] Ty's trained very hard, but they seasonally, they take off, they go on, they take off, they go on. Sylvie trained unbelievably hard, out-trained the gym for seven years, and sometimes out-trained two gyms, like was going to one gym and not telling them that she was at another gym, so.


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[Assistant] The relentlessness of your training was really historic.


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[Assistant] And we kind of have this philosophy where we're like, don't stop because it's really hard to start. It's like when you're on an ultra, you don't want to sit down and rest for five minutes because then how the hell do you get out of the chair?


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[Assistant] And so there was this like incredible grind. And one of the rules we followed


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[Assistant] As it started to like, become a thing, like it had its own momentum and we're kinda like, well how do we even...


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[Assistant] Understand what rest means or why rest or whatever. We came up with a rule which was...


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[Assistant] Don't decide to stop, like, not run today, or take a rest day. Do not decide to stop based on how you feel right now. That if you, if you're not gonna run, decide the night before.


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[Assistant] The reason why there's no waking up and I don't feel like it is a really bad habit because what will end up happening is your body


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[Assistant] We'll start sending you, I don't feel like it messages because it wants to pull you down into a homeostasis and you're trying to climb up. So you're going to keep, no matter where you set the bar,


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[Assistant] I think it's 80% of your run, you're gonna, no matter whether your run is like 3 miles or 100 miles, at the 80% mark, your brain is gonna start being like, I can't do it. I can't do it. And it, it's like it actually, the theory is that it actually constructs a,


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[Assistant] Arc in, in your activity and it's like about 80% it's time to stop.


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[Assistant] It felt very dangerous because of what you were doing to at any time be like, I don't feel like it, I'm gonna stop. So we built in this kind of like rule, which is you can take a day off, you can not run, you can not do anything if you want, but do it the night before.


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[Assistant] Decide the night before or even before that. And it makes you take perspective.


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[Assistant] On what you're doing. And it also means that you do the things that you say you're gonna do.


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[Assistant] With COVID hitting, and I'm sure so many people have run into this, because whatever your regimen was,


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[Assistant] Before, if you were active, it was disrupted. So...


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[Assistant] You had this, or this principle that you go by, but everything got interrupted, like, uh, Yo Kumpon went back to Royette, or, uh, for a time you couldn't do pad work.


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[Assistant] And so they'll like keep on the path and only say no, you're not going to do something the night before kind of got jumbled. And now you're trying to find your...


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[Assistant] For the first time in your life, I don't know, in the last seven, no, last nine years, have you like really taken things down?


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[Assistant] I don't wanna say go bow bow because right now I feel like I can't handle it.


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[Assistant] Well, so people know just a little interruption. Kevin, footnote. People in the West think elbows are knockout strikes. They're not in Thailand traditionally.


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[Assistant] And Car Hot was very good with this. Is that you wanna like hit the bone?


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[Assistant] You came home with that, like, you have your, like, little treasures of the day, and you're like, you didn't apologize for-


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[Assistant] This is, I wanna hear from you, because we've figured out this way that works. We know, do not quit when you don't feel like it. Like we just know you don't do that. And now you're...


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[Assistant] You spent a month not following that golden rule hardcore. You were like blurring the edges because there wasn't a lot of work all the time and there wasn't anything pressing on you. What is it like for you reassembling yourself?


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[Assistant] Like, do you have to re-investigate why you don't want to do something or?


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[Assistant] Well that's what we're podcasting about because people struggle with this stuff. This is very hard for even somebody who's low level, like they're not a great fighter or anything but they're trying to better themselves, they're trying to do things they don't want to do.


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[Assistant] You're also not sparring alone, you're sparring like, with an audience. Something that's very important in Thailand that westerners don't think about as much.


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[Assistant] off purposefully breaking her nose with a knee, wasn't it?


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[Assistant] Uh, held your head down, put a knee to your face. Whatever happens, I'm not involved.


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[Assistant] Run away with a little bit. So you literally have experienced this.


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[Assistant] There is a thing, and we talked about this in the last Muay Thai Bones podcast, basically how San Chai scripts out the fight in front of him in Thai fight.


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[Assistant] Basically, do you want to escalate? Do you want to go there? No? You're not going to be cool? Okay. Here comes Lauren's Kenshin Breakdown.


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[Assistant] Even if you're using your words, sometimes your words are, but sometimes it's your posture.


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[Assistant] Your words are executing the very thing you want to do in a fight, which is you need to control the fight space. You need to control the tempo. You need to make things be where you want them to be. And if you have to use your words because you're small or you're whatever it is,


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[Assistant] Or you can be like, okay, I'll power through this round, but between rounds, I'm gonna say something.


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[Assistant] But I'm kind of interested in you focusing very hardcore on this.


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[Assistant] You're no longer in a kind of like infinite grind.


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[Assistant] Calling things, whether you're gonna do them the night before, golden rule setting anymore. Everything is very nebulous right now.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying those were wrong choices, but I'm saying like, that's where you start getting into this slippery slope of quitting becomes a habit.


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[Assistant] Not that those were wrong choices, but when you no longer have the golden rule,


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[Assistant] Then you have exceptions, exceptions, exceptions. It feels like


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[Assistant] It's dangerous because then when do you stop? And how do you stop?


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[Assistant] Because I don't want- Yeah, but it's not which place do you take off the table. It's like, it used to be, don't take any place off the table just because you don't like them right now.


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[Assistant] The night before, or the week before, you could be like, that plate's been bugging me. No more.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I'm like, I understand what it did in the past. I'm like, what is happening now because things are more nebulous? So what is the guideline for you, for you? Like,


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[Assistant] We're not communicating, so it's okay. I don't understand why you're questioning. It doesn't matter. There's no, it's not a good podcast to like pound a question over and over again.


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[Assistant] Yes, but does it involve, right now, I don't feel like doing that, I'm not gonna do it. Right now. This is the part that I'm like, unclear on, which I find very interesting.


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[Assistant] And you've voiced to me that you also have a fear of developing a habit of quitting because of this. So I'm saying how does one deal with this? In the past we dealt with it with golden rules.


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[Assistant] And then you think to yourself, based on your experience of sticking to what you decided, and then you reformulate for the next week. You're like, well that worked out pretty good, or...


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[Assistant] But you don't have to change either. You can be like, okay, gathering data, let's do it again this week. But the idea is you're not making, you're still not making those adjustments based on how you feel right now. You're like committed to


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[Assistant] The decisions you made based on how you have felt.


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[Assistant] But I'm very, it's a very interesting thing because...


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[Assistant] So many people's regimens have been disrupted for the last year.


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[Assistant] Maybe another variant comes in another six months and gyms shut down again. And it's like, how do you maintain the discipline focus, rule driven spirit of what you're doing?


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[Assistant] When you don't necessarily have full control over things, and you always have that like haunting feeling like, I do not want to develop a habit of quitting.


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[Assistant] It feels like a weird place, because also, when you would chain yourself to your regimens, it stabilized you in a lot of ways. Like, the very hard work.


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[Assistant] Simplified your life. Yea. And you like pulling heavy loads. So it's like, how does one balance the freedom of choice, shaping your own thing, wanting to stop, and also needing heavy loads? Like, that's a very interesting time.


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[Assistant] And then there's also like, not to even point at anyone, but in our past we've seen older fighters who are like, well we still have a couple minutes.


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[Assistant] We've seen older fighters who are like, uh, I don't need really anyone to train me, I know how to train myself.


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[Assistant] And so there's that fear also, because we've seen so many older fighters that are being like that.


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[Assistant] I feel like we went down deep, uh, Sylvie tunnel. Which you don't usually love. Talking about your training, your motivations.


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[Assistant] Oh man, this is one of the Kevin's giant topics. I'm very excited about this and passionate about it for years really. I'm hoping you get into it too. Cause I don't want this to be like solo Kevin talk.


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[Assistant] Alright. This is typical Muay Thai bones conversation.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna approach this from a kind of, like, colonialist, political concept.


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[Assistant] Which is the idea that, uh, western nations, a broad idea, western nations go to, uh, non-western nations, uh,


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[Assistant] Well, there's many means of doing it. Capitalism, you don't have to have a colonialist political framework. But generally, you extract the natural resources of a


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[Assistant] And you put it into packages like shipping containers or whatever. And then you move it into warehouses and then you put it into your marketplace. Yea. Where you use it.


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[Assistant] Dimension to anybody, including us from the West, who comes with passion for Muay Thai and wants to learn it and then bring it out.


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[Assistant] A lot of it is very well-meaning. It's not just, it's not like stealing somebody's oil, uh, or minerals. Uhm, but it's the whole process of very often having a passion for something and then wanting to export it to, and back to your home country.


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[Assistant] And it's a very complicated thing because Muay Thai has gotten to a place where it's really not, uhm, sustainable within the country of Thailand itself. In the sense that it's losing popularity. And for some time, the


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[Assistant] Part of the reason why Muay Thai has pride for the Thai people is that people around the world value it.


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[Assistant] They come here to train it. They come here, they, they teach it elsewhere. They admire it.


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[Assistant] It reflects well on the Thai people.


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[Assistant] Is also part of its value to the people of Thailand. So when you export Muay Thai,


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[Assistant] And you get other people outside of Thailand interested in it, it actually benefits.


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[Assistant] It doesn't just take. It benefits the Muay Thai of Thailand. Maybe if Muay Thai is being like trained in gyms, those people develop a passion for the culture. They want to come to Thailand, learn from the source. There's a lot of good things. It's not a one way thing.


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[Assistant] But part of the moral compass of what's going on, which is really interesting to me,


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[Assistant] Is the way that Thailand Muay Thai has been exported and then learned, transformed, and then learned in other countries.


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[Assistant] I'm going to leave to the side occasions where actual Thais move to other countries and teach the sport. Some of them not as legendary as they like to.


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[Assistant] From what we understand was probably a very, like he's one of the five best, greatest fighters ever, probably was a very important influence in teaching Muay Thai in France.


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[Assistant] Part of the reason why I'm rambling on these larger ideas is what's interesting is how they connect up with larger ideas.


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[Assistant] Okay, so break, start over, enter from a different pathway. The Western mind, generally, is very mechanistic. It thinks of things in terms of


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[Assistant] Isolated parts that move in patterns and according to fixed dynamics.


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[Assistant] An assembly of some kind. And so when the Western mind looks at


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[Assistant] The Muay Thai of Thailand, largely being very broad, it looks at parts moving.


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[Assistant] So, when Muay Thai is copied, duplicated, extracted from Thailand, there just is a fundamental perceptual bias, which is


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[Assistant] And, so, you get this in an extreme version where you're like, let's take the, uhm, the, uhm, Muay Thai round kick, which is just like, your hip moves here, your foot goes here, and the kick comes out like this, and now let's put it in MMA.


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[Assistant] Broadly thought, at some point early on, as like, putting parts together. Like, borrowing from this one. Frankensteining.


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[Assistant] This mechanistic mind of the West which atomizes a living thing and extracts pieces of it and locates the, uhm, important elements


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[Assistant] Is a very powerful trend. I think it's changing because of, partly because of our work in the Muay Thai library. We shoot long form.


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[Assistant] Videos of great ties teaching their, their techniques over an hour instead of a little tiny piece of something. And I think people are starting to get


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[Assistant] It left in pieces also with kickboxing in Japan, although they actually brought ties to teach people how to kick and what not.


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[Assistant] And a very large part of this is the entire gym system in the West, which is often run by, that the people teaching Muay Thai historically,


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[Assistant] Did not actually know Muay Thai quite well.


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[Assistant] So, very often people that ran gyms


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[Assistant] Located important techniques that were connected to them that they learned and then they export those mechanical elements into the gym that they opened or that they teach at.


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[Assistant] And I think this is even further complicated by the way that westerners, western gyms have to run, which is you have students teaching other students.


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[Assistant] Grow a school. You cannot run a western gym.


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[Assistant] Like a Thai gym. Like a true kai moi, like a local kai moi. Which is just like, most of these kids training for free, and then you're gonna make money on their fights and...


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[Assistant] Well, there's not a crew student relationship at all in... almost in...


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[Assistant] I was shocked. How Petra and Rung. How little correction. There is so much more correction.


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[Assistant] Now, because it's been influenced by western concepts of what a westerner wants.


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[Assistant] But organically, there is not a lot of correction in Thai gyms.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and there was not like, don't practice a mistake. It will never, it will be so ingrained into your muscle memory and your nervous system and you'll never stop doing it. That concept doesn't exist in Thailand.


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[Assistant] Ragging on the Western approach. The fact of the matter is, the Western approach and its commercial market, like the very structure of how Muay Thai is disseminated, respected, learned, uh, made money off of,


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[Assistant] It has to do with this mechanical duplication of techniques.


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[Assistant] That someone who's A, not fluent, probably not fluent in Muay Thai might be a good fighter.


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[Assistant] In drills. So basically you have an incredible abstraction of techniques.


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[Assistant] By the very, like, s- structure of learning and dissemination.


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[Assistant] Muay Thai is, and I'm not saying it's a bad thing even, I'm saying we have to pay attention to the transformation.


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[Assistant] It's a necessary transformation. I remember Brian Popejoy who teaches


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[Assistant] Tries to do traditional stuff, but also teaches with drills and things. He's like, how much do you want my gym to be like a Thai gym? Do you want dogs chasing you on your run?


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[Assistant] He's making a joke that's also quite real.


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[Assistant] But you know what? Dogs chasing on your run is part of Muay Thai. A small part. It's part of-


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[Assistant] This isn't really about a judgment to me of good or bad in the sense of like, should this be happening? Rather, this has been happening for decades and uhm,


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[Assistant] Part of it is a much deeper thing, which is just a western concept of how to look at something as a mechanism. This is one reason why


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[Assistant] Many westerners encountered frustration when coming to Thailand when they weren't being instructed because they're like, tell me the moving parts. Where do I put my foot? Should my...


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[Assistant] Elbow be high or low. Ties do not think mechanically. Like a machine.


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[Assistant] And you've jumped in in gym situations and where clearly someone doesn't understand what the crew is hoping for and you're like, if we just tell him to put his foot outside, then he'll understand.


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[Assistant] Well, a big part of, uh, Thai teaching is thamachad is you get closer and then you find out what you have to do when you're closer to get closer. Like, do you step forward? Do you lean in?


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[Assistant] You experiment, there's a lot of experimentation and development, but Muay Thai is taught to 8 year olds, 10 year olds, 12 year olds, like across the board.


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[Assistant] And the method is designed for that kind of evolution, although, you know, Angie started when she was 30, right, or something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so not in only children you learn as a child and sometimes they start learning when they're like 15 or 17 maybe even but I guess for me


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[Assistant] As it passes through, thinking about WandaVision and that like...


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[Assistant] It's like when you go enter the dome, it's going to then redo your clothes. Like you're going into a different reality. And that this mechanical understanding of Muay Thai is a powerful distortion.


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[Assistant] But maybe a very necessary distortion of the art because it cannot live and be disseminated to a non-elite


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[Assistant] Like, non-fluent coach. Who knows some shit. Like, maybe knows a lot.


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[Assistant] But not fluent, like in the way that you'd be fluent, but knows his shit and then has to be disseminated to a classroom of 30 people.


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[Assistant] And practice and everything. The entire structure is completely, pretty much alien to Thailand. And I'm like, you just have got to keep your eye on the fact that something is being transformed.


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[Assistant] And radically changed is not the same.


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[Assistant] Okay, you've lost me completely, so maybe some people don't-


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[Assistant] Well, you can't, the fact of the matter is that's what happens. You know it's gonna be. When I say you can't, I don't.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but so, this is great. You build out beautiful contexts with even larger concepts. My thing is, okay, if you want to be balanced or understand the seed or the medicine or the technique, you really, probably it's best if you understand everything that surrounds those things.


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[Assistant] Yes, and it goes all the way into culture. We have a series where we talk about how Buddhism is reflected in Thai principles, right? It goes way into the culture.


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[Assistant] I just, I want to avoid the idea like, you guys are doing it wrong in the West.


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[Assistant] Instead, I wanna be like, the way you are doing it,


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[Assistant] That's how you have to do it, because in order for the technique or the art to go through all the transformations that get it from, like,


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[Assistant] A raw rock in the ground to a diamond on the finger. There's many transformations that happen.


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[Assistant] For Muay Thai to live in a gym in the west, a process.


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[Assistant] Yes, you can be critical, like, that's not authentic and blah blah blah, especially if a gym is like, we're authentic, you know, and doing things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, whatever, some people might. But I'm saying, uhm, this is much less about criticizing and more like


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[Assistant] Keeping your eye on the number of translations that have to happen for that technique, that kick, that tip.


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[Assistant] That turn in the, in the clinch to have gotten all the way to the mat where you're training.


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[Assistant] Okay, you like that turn. That turn is part of an entire concept of movement that probably isn't present in your gym.


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[Assistant] And if you want to understand it better, you have to go to the whole thing, which is why


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[Assistant] One of the reasons why we do the Muay Thai library, if you don't know, we have a documentary project supported by patrons and sponsors where you just travel and you spend an hour learning with great crews and great ex-fighters. We let an hour just unfold.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not just like, uhm, anything happening in that session from the, the,


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[Assistant] Posture of the teacher to the way he corrects or when he corrects or when he decides not to correct or why he laughs.


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[Assistant] Where you just let the thing unfold because so you can see all the constituent parts that surround it and you're still not getting it because that technique developed in a kai moi.


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[Assistant] That no longer exists anymore. Like, the gym culture of the 1990s doesn't even exist anymore. It's been changed. And it's changing very fast. Petron Rung changed very fast in the last five years. And it's like,


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[Assistant] These techniques, these things we love, there's an immense amount of connective material that just gets cut away as it's extracted out.


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[Assistant] So I'm kind of like, okay, let's keep our eye on the fact that things get...


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[Assistant] Atomized. Chopped. Put into boxes so they can be taken somewhere else and to operate in a different marketplace.


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[Assistant] Like, let's not just chop down the entire forest so that we can get great IKEA for furniture.


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[Assistant] Make some IKEA furniture. Let's grow some more forests.


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[Assistant] So some kind of, that kind of idea of connectivity.


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[Assistant] Which only comes from even paying attention to the kinds of transformations that have to happen. And this goes another time.


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[Assistant] Oh, let me start, let's start over. This goes from the last little bit. This also goes visually.


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[Assistant] Not only are techniques extracted by people who come and train, learn them in taijams, fight,


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[Assistant] Acquire them and then teach them like magic tricks into the west under with, uh, students and in gym settings, but it occurs visually.


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[Assistant] Which is when people create videos that are either demo videos, we purposefully do not make demo videos. We might have made a couple, but we, you are like, this is not a demo. This is not a demo.


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[Assistant] And part of the reason we don't demo anything is we don't want to cut around all the connective tissue.


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[Assistant] But a lot of videos are about demos because you isolate the movement, the proper movement, like for a long time. When we first moved here, there was big arguments about whether you point your foot down or up.


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[Assistant] On the check, on the check. No, but like people who were taught, the point was is not what the answer is, but some people felt there was a right answer. And it's like, so visually isolating demos.


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[Assistant] Demos of techniques, uh, which then become easily absorbed on Instagram in 60 seconds or with graphics, uh, point, we've done graphics to point like the turn of the foot or something. This is cutting around all the context and highlight videos like


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[Assistant] Digesting a legendary fighter through, uhm, a multi-scholar video.


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[Assistant] And he captures, in many ways, the essence of fighters. He has a great feeling for this, and he often has great, uhm, music choices.


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[Assistant] But the whole process of the highlight video, the highlight video, the highlight video, appreciating Sanchai for his scissor kick or these things, it's like, once again, this is the same thing. It's chunking out a little piece of something, packaging it,


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[Assistant] Partners that then like it and disseminate it and comment. This is the same exact thing. It's taking the technique, taking it.


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[Assistant] To your students, having them drill it. It's the exact same thing as happening. You're creating a network of distribution that involves abstracting a small mechanical piece.


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[Assistant] And eventually, eventually what will happen is the highlight


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[Assistant] Uh, when Babe Ruth, when, oh yeaah, that was when they were going for the home run record with McGuire and everything and they juiced the ball, um, supposedly. But even, um,


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[Assistant] When Babe Ruth was hitting homeruns in the 1920s, no one even thought to hit homeruns. But they were so exciting that suddenly it became a thing. But what I'm saying is that


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[Assistant] My Thai in Thailand is actually going to start becoming...


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[Assistant] Uh, shaped by the highlightization of the dissemination of its product. So already we're losing, like we hear from the legends, they're like, we didn't have TV.


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[Assistant] When I was gonna fight somebody, I had to watch from the side of a card that they were on that my gym mate was on. Right.


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[Assistant] The richness of the techniques actually was by the fact that they couldn't be exported or captured by anybody. People, I mean, thought Desoloy was amazing. I had never seen him.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say it's a bad thing per se. Let's just be aware that it's happening. That Muay Thai is being translated and distorted and twi- and shaped to fit into little boxes that are sometimes like the Instagram box. Sometimes it's the drill that you do at your gym with your partner.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, okay, let's just not let this happen accidentally, or yeaah, history happens, things change. I'm like, okay, this transformation is happening, let's feed back into the source. Let's feed back into the source. When you come to Thailand, train with a legend. You know, like, feel...


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[Assistant] Why that teep works is because of all these other movements and weight changes. I don't know, I'm very... I'm passionate about this because...


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[Assistant] I want Muay Thai to have a growing footprint on the planet, but also in order to do so it has to be distorted.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, like a choreographed, like, kung fu, 1980s, like, pop pop.


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[Assistant] It can lead to a larger criticism of culture.


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[Assistant] Which is an interesting thing because a lot of the reason why people are drawn to Thailand and the traditions and the depth of understanding and the beauty of the technique is that


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[Assistant] Thailand's culture is a fight culture 120 years old.


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[Assistant] It's so dense and rich and it's the opposite of what we experience in our world.


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[Assistant] We change what they have so it can be brought onto Wanda's vision. Do you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And this is in the context of really us trying to devote ourselves to capturing


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[Assistant] Longer, bigger chunks of Muay Thai that maybe they're not readily consumable.


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[Assistant] But maybe they'll be consumable at another time in history even.


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[Assistant] Being exposed to these legends and thinking about these techniques in a richer, broader way has just basically ruined my eyes for other things that knowledgeable westerners but even others


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[Assistant] Modern people, the things they celebrate. Like the, uhm, pad work.


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[Assistant] Somebody throwing elbows in a fight over and over again.


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[Assistant] It's unwatchable almost for me. When you see a completely coordinated fluid fighter, no matter their style.


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[Assistant] I would rather watch someone fight in the style that I hate, whatever style that is, like, kicking Muay Thai, what is it, Muay Dut?


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[Assistant] I would rather watch someone who really knows that style.


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[Assistant] And someone who fights in the style I like.


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[Assistant] I'd rather see the person who actually knows the style deeply, but it's kind of like ruined my ability to even have discussions with people because the eyes have changed so much that


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[Assistant] That I'm like, I can't even discuss this really because you-


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[Assistant] It was like we were driving with Karhat and he mentioned a very popular Thai fighter, uhm, and he's like, shaking his head and he's like, uhm, I would just teep him.


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[Assistant] But, but, what Karhat sees, once he says it, I'm like, oh yea, you wouldn't even make sense. No, for him it's like, a neon sign.


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[Assistant] Like, people would destroy this man.


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[Assistant] He has eyes that I don't have. I can understand what I said, but I can't see what he has. What Karahat sees is like gaping holes.


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[Assistant] I have knowledge other people don't. In a way, I just kind of want to be like, let's just acknowledge that other, that people live in aesthetic worlds and those aesthetic worlds, which is based on what they consume, what they look at, and they might be very knowledgeable in those worlds and they see things I can't see.


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[Assistant] And I probably see things that you can't see. And then how do you have even a conversation, you know, like...


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[Assistant] So, I just have no conversations, because it just like...


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[Assistant] I dunno, there's something that maybe we can revisit, because I feel like there's a larger concept here, which is this like, extraction of value, like, of mechanization of Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] And comprehensible even. Like for instance, Onyx's edit of our hour with, or maybe it was 45 minutes with Hippie, it was awesome.


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[Assistant] They put in the English subtitles, you're speaking English, so you can watch it without the volume on, which a lot of people have on Instagram.


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[Assistant] It actually captured much of the dynamics and I was surprised, like, much of the truth of what's being taught in that 45 minutes is actually in that video. I was like...


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[Assistant] This is not somebody who just chopped stuff together. They like understood and found a way to communicate it and then they found a way for it to like leave the video.


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[Assistant] And enter this other platform, this other register. And I'm like that's kind of a good thing.


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[Assistant] As is the Muay Thai Bones style, we're going to totally change up.


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[Assistant] While the camera's off, Sylvie's like, this will be a total change. And I'm like, okay, let's go for it. Alright, so, back spotlight on Sylvie. You love it.


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[Assistant] This is actually an interesting- I know some of the answers of this, but I don't know all of them, uh, and maybe not even most of them.


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[Assistant] And we've talked about it in the past that Sylvie fights an incredibly, an incredible size of opponent.


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[Assistant] For those that don't follow yet, she's got two hundred and...


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[Assistant] I don't know what the... Okay, I'll correct it.


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[Assistant] The weight differences you face are incredibly large. You've got 260, what is it? 67 fights.


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[Assistant] Out of your last hundred fights, I think in general you fight up three weight classes maybe?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, I don't think there's a fighter on the planet who's ever fought up as much as you.


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[Assistant] Frequency and size. Somebody on the internet challenged that with like San Chai. San Chai does fight.


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[Assistant] Pretty big people. But he's superior in talent to all of them. Almost all of them.


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[Assistant] I think you're fighting this size disparity at just an insane discrepancy in size. And these also include world champions.


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[Assistant] So the topic here is actually, how do you handle that?


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[Assistant] Because what other people might not be cued into


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[Assistant] Is it, you have a love, hate, hate.


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[Assistant] And so the quick answer is the reason why Shu fights so much is that we made a commitment to just fighting as much as possible belief that fights are incredibly valuable and the more that you have


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[Assistant] The more you're getting out of your life and your moi and it's like the only way in Thailand to fight all the time is to take disadvantages. And Thais don't, Thais do not.


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[Assistant] Pursue this, generally, because if you take disadvantages in Thailand, it's actually a perception that you have no...


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[Assistant] Power. Yes. And power in a public arena is very important. Respect and everything. So instead of like, uh,


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[Assistant] Forcing people to come down and only fighting people in some range to build public esteem in the culture. You actually take tons of disadvantages.


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[Assistant] And in our stead, like, thinking long term, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. Like, let's just, this is an incredible country with fight opportunities, there's like none in the world, so let's just take advantage of it, even though it violates the norms of what top fighters do.


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[Assistant] So, but this main topic is kind of like the cost.


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[Assistant] The burden, the psychology constellation that's involved with


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[Assistant] Uhm, having this be your basic mode of fight operation, whereas almost everyone else


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[Assistant] Well, if I had to like point it to one thing, that you say you have a very strong sense that this is not fair, even though you and I, together, we choose it.


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[Assistant] Like this is not imposed on you, but you have a very strong sense that this is not fair. And maybe talk about, like fairness has a very, has way beyond Muay Thai in your character. Fairness is a very important concept for you.


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[Assistant] As a small person, as a female, uhm,


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[Assistant] Who feels like maybe things haven't been fair in other ways. Like, this is a chance to really talk about stuff that never gets talked about.


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[Assistant] Okay, but these are fair matchups because you win seven, six or seven out of ten.


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[Assistant] We were, you were just saying the other, just to jump in, you were just saying, we were talking about Diesel Noy and Sommart, that this huge mismatch that happened in the Golden Age, the, uh, the Holy Grail of fights, and basically Diesel Noy,


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[Assistant] Came down to Samart's walk-around weight.


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[Assistant] You're walking away. And not one of them could get down to what you could cut to. I don't think. No, not the bigger ones that I fight now.


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[Assistant] Well, we make the decision. It's not like somebody is forcing you into a fight.


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[Assistant] What you really are doing is you're climbing the hill of your weight class and maybe forced up a little bit when you run out of opponents and you get more and more money bet on you. Your fights...


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[Assistant] Start at that point to become rarer and rarer.


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[Assistant] Uh, culture is about building the authority to say no and to demand and to basically eventually have like opponents that you have all the advantages on so that you build your name and your name and this is actually not cheating, this is actually


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[Assistant] You are at the upper levels of what it means to be a great fighter is to basically


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[Assistant] So the context is, oh, I wish I could do this other way. This other way leads to not fighting.


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[Assistant] Eventually, if you take it to its logical extreme, a perfect example is what happened with Loma, who basically eliminated everyone around her weight and just literally had no one to fight. It also happened with Petchi Ja.


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[Assistant] Because it won't take extreme disadvantages because it's not part of the culture to go up and fight two, three weight classes.


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[Assistant] This is why you get somebody like Kara Haat in the golden age who fought up.


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[Assistant] Often above 122, where it's not, his fight way was probably 115, he said. And he's like, he had to fight up in order to keep fighting because he didn't have any kind of big name behind him who were forcing disadvantages.


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[Assistant] To build him up. So he actually had no respect in the game, even though he was fucking like...


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[Assistant] 100%, but then if you see somebody like Samart...


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[Assistant] When he fought Panam Tumlek and like teeped him around the ring, and we're like, oh, the video, going back to the last thing, like, look at those teeps, him juggling him. He outweighs this guy by a good amount, and then he walks up and just fucking knocks him out cold, and, but this is...


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[Assistant] Summer had Yotong behind him. He had a big name behind him. And in the West, we're like, oh, that's not fair. But you know what? In the, in the, in Thai culture, that's actually the goal as a fighter, is to get to these places where you can call all the shots.


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[Assistant] And eventually just retire on top. And I'm like, so Loma had to leave Muay Thai, and she went into the UFC. Same thing happened with, uhm, Pachi Josh. She had to leave Muay Thai, and she went into amateur boxing. And now she's going back with, finally after several years, back to Thai fight. But I'm like,


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[Assistant] The opposite of what you're doing is basically trying to retire.


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[Assistant] So like for instance right now we have, there's someone who's trying to like make a matchup for you, a legendary fighter, and he's like, don't.


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[Assistant] Not only that, the kind of fighter you want to become, you're not near where you want to be. If you were like, I've climbed my hill and I have become what I dreamed of becoming, then it would make more sense, but you honestly feel like there's


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[Assistant] There's miles and miles and miles to run to get where you want to go. And you have to have opponents to run that. You can't just do that in the gym.


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[Assistant] And then face three big names and then retire.


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[Assistant] And I ties just literally do not understand the kind of fighter you want to become as a woman or even if it's a man. They wouldn't have a concept of you wanting to become a Yodemoi. Like to have this fluidity or whatever. They're like, you win your fights, like you position yourself.


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[Assistant] No opponents. But not only that he had no opponents, he got


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[Assistant] To the point where you go to heaven, fighter heaven. Yea. Where as you are now a legend, you get to choose who you fight.


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[Assistant] Nobody will fight me in my weight. I'm not gonna fucking take-


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[Assistant] A 25 pound disadvantage, right? And so,


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[Assistant] He, he kind of ascended and he had a huge name behind him in Clow to, to force


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[Assistant] The respect dimension of it, and it's just like...


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[Assistant] Think to this though, when you get somebody like Kronksock taking up, taking a 19 pound disadvantage against... Who is that?


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[Assistant] The tie is by taking that disadvantage. Yes, we understand fair because he's so much better skill-wise than Kamin. He's taking socially within his own culture the position of no power.


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[Assistant] One hundred percent, that's the whole Sanchai aura, but I'm saying, uhm,


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[Assistant] I'm saying when these things are happening, you're not, you're not doing the traditional climbing of respect.


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[Assistant] Well, we went the sidetrack just to maybe position this unfair feeling you have. It's like you kind of are left with no choice because if you don't do that, you basically are driven into a retirement.


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[Assistant] We got the, the feeling of unfairness that doesn't scrub away, like even though you rationalize, to me they're fair because


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[Assistant] If you're winning 6 or 7 out of 10, that's pretty much a sweet spot.


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[Assistant] And I don't care who you're fucking fighting, if you're winning 6 to 7 out of 10, I think it's been 7... 8? It's...


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[Assistant] The weights have been going up as you've been getting better.


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[Assistant] I wanna talk about just the ca- the weight of this unfairness because it's very heavy for you. It's because it's every fight, every fight, every fight.


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[Assistant] Because I see Thai culture, I see Thai culture restricting you. Like, if Thai culture had its way, you'd be sweeping a gym and, uh, greeting people at the door. Like, for real. Like, for real Thai culture.


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[Assistant] It wouldn't be like, Yodmoy Sylvie, incredible. Like, Thai culture doesn't produce you.


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[Assistant] Like if you went to San Tai Gym or something, like as a westerner, that would be a different path. You're not talking about that, you're talking about if you had been a Thai person or something.


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[Assistant] Well, tell the story real quick about this.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, you weren't cutting weight. Like these are knowledgeable people. You don't even get credit within the Thai world of what you were doing.


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[Assistant] Thai. Sort of. Thai boxing newspaper, I guess. Yeah.


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[Assistant] There was that hilarious, that hilarious, uh, fight that you had, no, against Zaza, uhm, and, uhm,


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[Assistant] And Takun, who's so smart as a promoter, he's like, oh, get off the scale, you made weight.


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[Assistant] Everybody, everybody was in the room. They saw you way 52.


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[Assistant] Because nobody was looking. They were just waiting to see if you weren't 52, if you were 53 or something, and it was like, the scale didn't even move, but it's so interesting because in their mind, same size, and I was like,


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[Assistant] The point was brought up, well if you were smart about it, you would have forced a matchup that was favorable to you. Which is exactly what we're talking about. Is that if you have standing, if you have a name, you force bad matchups.


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[Assistant] And so, when you see fighters that don't fight very often, but then they get into a thing, it's because they forced a bad matchup. Otherwise they'd just retire and it'd be fine for them.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, it's not fighter, very seldom does a fighter actually. We're one of the few fighters in the whole country that actually make the decision on who you're fighting. Everything else is gyms and managers and what not, promotions. But the point, I guess the point is this, is that


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[Assistant] Part of the unfairness that you feel isn't just that you're taking a weight advantage, a weight disadvantage, but it's also, nobody even knows you're taking a weight disadvantage. Yeaah. Like, they literally, these are knowledgeable people, they see two people, but it doesn't even register in their mind that you're like two weight classes under, or three.


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[Assistant] Not only that, it's like he might believe that you could win, but win a close fight. It's like you don't take the position of being the underdog small fighter and maybe lose. You gotta win.


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[Assistant] Like, blow them out. And I think that's part of it, is that as soon as you go to weigh in, and you're fucking like, like you were what, five kilos less than, what's her name? She's the number one fighter in Thailand though.


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[Assistant] Whereas in the wise we love the underdog, the tough little underdog. I don't think that in the Thai world it's quite like that. It's more like a circus.


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[Assistant] You have this weight of unfairness and then you also have a physical psychological physical


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[Assistant] You have to climb every single fight, which is like, strikes are not going to affect your opponent. You're going to be doing things in the furly rounds where you can't move her.


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[Assistant] You just, things that you're doing right aren't having an effect. So you have unfair feeling, like there's a feeling of unfairness, and then you have this like,


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[Assistant] Fight after fight have to kind of like, jong-sun on it in a weird way. But I'm like, what is that? I can tell sometimes, you feel like this is all too much.


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[Assistant] And then if you fought someone your size, there would be so much pressure on you too because, you know, it takes, it's a different kind of fighting to fight someone your size. It's not the same techniques, it's not the same...


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[Assistant] Well there was a lot of pressure in a recent fight when we went down to Hippie with Hippie.


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[Assistant] When you're in the fight, like between rounds, are you feeling this is not a fair fight? Like if you're not pulling away yet and you're in the corner after two rounds, does that unfairness that sometimes you think about that you can't scrub out even though it is balanced?


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[Assistant] It kind of also shrink in your mind. It's like when you see very big opponents, you're like, oh, she's not that big.


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[Assistant] Is that a moment for you when you touch gloves? When you like get a real sense? Cause some of these Thai girls have a very, because they've been fighting in like money gambling matchups and things and they have this really amazing skill of like, uh, what is it? They shrink.


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[Assistant] Well, let me ask you, this is not the kind of question that you, we ever get, ask on, uh, Muay Thai Bones, but I would love to ask. Oh no.


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[Assistant] Of all the big opponents that you've faced, and you've faced a lot of very good ones,


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[Assistant] There's been a big long train- train of them.


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[Assistant] Like, I would like the challenge of fighting that big, like, porn pawns gotten even bigger.


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[Assistant] You're like, I wanna take that particular opponent who's got size on me. I'd like another try at that. Even if you would be in them. And you'd be poring pawn.


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[Assistant] Well I'm asking you to think about it. Like, right now, think back.


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[Assistant] Like Tanantranuk, your last Tanantranuk fight was a disappointment?


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[Assistant] A staircase for your development in skill. Like, to be able to beat Patchy Ja, who I might be the best fighter in the world.


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[Assistant] No, no, but it would be a, it's the same as a rematch to me.


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[Assistant] I'd love for you to fight Pornpon again because of how she like...


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[Assistant] Literally pretends she didn't lose to you. Like, will not.


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[Assistant] Although she's gotten so big that I don't even think that fight is even humanly possible. And another one who got really big would be Nong Buu.


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[Assistant] She's very big now though. Isn't she like 58?


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[Assistant] That was such a crazy fight, how they like, tried to trick you into thinking she was a novice and not a world champion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Tanan Chinook is always just such a challenge because of Muay Thai rules.


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[Assistant] I think I took a spirit for fighting away a little bit. Those are tough losses for her. Some of her size.


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[Assistant] That's true, that's true. I don't know why that bothers me, I'm not a really ranking person. Well, I like to abstractly rank things.


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[Assistant] I'm sure whoever made the list didn't even know that fight happened.


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[Assistant] Is one of those very small petty things that almost never happens to me, but I think I was looking at it the other day. I was like adding up your victory totals against everybody in your, uhm,


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[Assistant] In your bracket, and then in other weight classes, you have like victory totals.


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[Assistant] No, we don't usually talk like that, about things like that, but I always think about like, this is the part of the thing. You have, you basically have only one road ahead of you. Cause you don't want to become some like, promotion star that is called,


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[Assistant] The greatest fighter who ever lived as happens in promotions.


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[Assistant] You just have this grind of bigger and bigger and bigger opponents which is like running with a bigger and bigger weight vest.


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[Assistant] Which is a difficult path, but I'm like, what other path can you have other than maybe thinking, if I could beat this person giving up 15 pounds, that means I'm pretty damn good.


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[Assistant] You know, something, that's the only reason to think about possible opponents is like, uhm...


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[Assistant] Like it's very hard to beat a very skilled fighter AND give up 15 pounds.


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[Assistant] Well, what beating means, honestly to me, what beating means in Thailand, if you don't knock somebody out with a momentary, it means controlling the fight. Yeah. Dominating the space in such a way that the judges have one choice.


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[Assistant] She's always a good milestone because of her weight advantage and her skill level. Like those two things are really a beautiful, it's a beautiful thing.


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[Assistant] It's not the kind of thing, one championship you're going to throw out there.


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[Assistant] The one contemporary thing I would like to say about, don't come far.


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[Assistant] He's not a pretty fighter. Like, she just is not. I'm talking about her skills, her technical skills, and she fights everybody, right?


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[Assistant] What people don't know about her, they like see her in the ring, windmilling and what not. What they don't know about her is she's been a prize fighter.


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[Assistant] That's what you have to do as a prize fighter. When there's a lot of money online, you rise to the moment. You rise to the moment.


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[Assistant] She learned as a prize fighting kid how to rise from the moment. That's actually the secret. One of the secrets about Loma is that she was a prize fighter when she was 6 years old or 8 years old or whatever it was.


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[Assistant] Yes, their technique, Loma's technique is beautiful or whatever. What's really special about these Issan girls is they're prize fighters little. And every time Duncan Fah has a close fight with someone and then rematches them,


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[Assistant] That little prize fighter in her, those emotional skills come to the fore.


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[Assistant] And it's actually one of the coolest things about her, and if you ever get to fight her again, that's...


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[Assistant] Shocked how, uhm, strongly she performed against Alicia.


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[Assistant] That's the, which gym is that? There's the Two Sisters.


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[Assistant] I was shocked. Like, she just... and it's not like she's fine.


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[Assistant] I'm in the promotions pocket, that was a little, that was unfair.


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[Assistant] She just has, and it's not like she fights harder. It's not like, now I'm gonna fight hard. She fights hard.


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[Assistant] To win is a skill. And she has that. And now, she honestly is, despite not being a picture perfect technical fighter, is maybe the top fighter in Thailand. She wants to fight that stamp though, but they will never let her.


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[Assistant] Dongkong Fa was at Fairtex a little after Stamp. Stamp became the like, golden child of Fairtex.


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[Assistant] Duncan Fogg came on as like the pudgy step-child that we're just


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[Assistant] Bringing her in because she's orphaned. I think she was orphaned or something. But the idea was like almost charity to her. And it's like, Stamp is the real talent. When she went into FairTex, she was not the top female fighter in Thailand. She was a middle range fighter, I would be fair to say. But Dong Hong Thaw was kind of like the girl from Issan, kind of like.


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[Assistant] She was like the joke teller and the... She's funny, she's funny. She was not the... No one was gonna make her the star.


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[Assistant] Like, we're gonna make Stamps the star. And they did, like, one championship, and uh, just, they just-


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[Assistant] Did all the things to make her shine. Duncan Fah left Fairtex eventually. She was there for a while.


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[Assistant] It's so amazing that on her own...


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[Assistant] She created this path and it was lucky that Max, like we deride, uhm, what is, I don't even know what the names of these are. Superchamp?


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[Assistant] Channel 8 in Thailand, uh, took her and made her their, their star, and she just kept beating everyone.


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[Assistant] To me they're the same promotion, but uhm, it's this little story about the like backward, overweight,


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[Assistant] And it's very, so she still has a serious chip on her shoulder and then she beat Alessio who was like one champion at the time.


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[Assistant] I know you have, I don't know if you have complex feelings about her, but I'm like, I really kind of like this kind of like story.


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[Assistant] But, so everybody knows they're, they built stamp as the tie. So they're not,


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[Assistant] There's no way that Dong-Kong Fah could fight Sam in one.


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[Assistant] No, but the tie is, the promotion is making the tie. Oh, I understand.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well she is like, this is the thing, she was the ugly, well not literally ugly, but the ugly stepsister of Fairtex who kind of like left and then created her own path.


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[Assistant] Got in. You know what I mean? It's something like, I don't know, I kind of...


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[Assistant] But she's just a little scrapper and just, uhm, she has that, I think she learned from fair text, the like spamming punches.


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[Assistant] That was a crazy experience. So I don't know, I kind of like pull for her in some amazing way, only because of this, when she was like the step-sister of fairytale. It's very, I don't know, kind of like, she embodies a kind of female fighter.


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[Assistant] But then she got into a position with those promotions where they made her, Sa Sing is the star, and then they made her the like star of the second star.


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[Assistant] No, she earned her, she earned that position and she also politically connected to Sussing, I think, in some way.


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[Assistant] When you, when she left Veritex, she, she didn't have, there are no paths.


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[Assistant] Before Super Champion and Max, there was no path for a female TIE fighter. Super Champion Hardcore. Oh, sorry. Hardcore. These exciting names.


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[Assistant] We actually do just have these conversations all the time and then we make it semi-structured and formal for the podcast, so.


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[Assistant] The things that we come up to talk about are generally things that we talk about.


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[Assistant] How I will forever see Muay Thai, like he shaped how one sees.


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[Assistant] Is that, Muay Thai is Muay Thai, but when you go train with somebody who has a style or who has, uhm, an expression of Muay Thai, they teach you how to see it. They're like, this is how I see it.


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[Assistant] And that was Master K at the beginning, and he not only saw it at least somewhat the way that I saw it, literally the first time I had ever witnessed Muay Thai at all, which was in a movie, and I was like, this is incredible, but


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[Assistant] The way that he introduced me to his visions and his love for Muay Thai, uh, got into my heart.


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[Assistant] Master K was at the time 69 years old when I met him, uh, and he's a Thai man.


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[Assistant] He's from just outside of, uhm, Bangkok proper, like just across the bridge. And uhm, he had moved to America.


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[Assistant] I think the year I was born, uh, he lived in New Jersey and he...


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[Assistant] But when he was right at the age where you would like, take off as a- as a fighter potentially or-


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[Assistant] Do something else. He got married and did something else, so he ended up, uhm, not going into being, uh, a Muay Thai fighter.


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[Assistant] At this prime time, uhm, but his love for it never went away.


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[Assistant] So he would like train himself in his basement in New Jersey. He totally had like, uhm,


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[Assistant] So amazing. And then he took students. Uhm, so it's like one on one training in his basement. And uhm, that's how I...


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[Assistant] Started learning Muay Thai, because I had initially gone to a gym that said they had Muay Thai, but, uh,


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[Assistant] It was crap. It was, it was literally shit that they said, this is Muay Thai and they would put like some elbow drills in to like make it seem like Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] The reason to mention that is that I went to learn from this globo gym kind of thing. Uhm.


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[Assistant] His particular style and expression of Muay Thai, uhm,


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[Assistant] He was always emphasizing to me finesse. Like he wanted finesse in everything.


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[Assistant] Which I did not have, because it's off balance, uh, didn't know how to use my hips, like, stressed, trying to do right, like trying to do what he's telling me to do, and trying just fucks up everything.


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[Assistant] This beauty in the house. He wanted to hurt somebody. He was not like.


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[Assistant] But you would do the kick like that because it was...


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[Assistant] The way that the movement has like a technical side and a literally how you execute it and power and you want to hurt someone kind of thing but finesse


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[Assistant] Was, after all the years that I've actually been going into this and realizing things about Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] I think that one of the things that I look back on now in, in what it was like to train with Master K is this, and again, like you find elements of Master K in everything now, like things that were very unique to him, I'm now like, oh that's a very Thai thing, like that's a very Thai man thing, uhm, is that


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's like I can go to any gym and learn Muay Thai, like no you can't. Uhm, it's, I have tattoos, I have lots of tattoos. To me it was always very important that I


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[Assistant] Have an okay, immediate relationship with the person who's gonna be tattooing me, not only because...


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[Assistant] He would hit me a little bit later, but like even then it was like.


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[Assistant] Taking the foot off the gas immediately if I showed any kind of like...


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[Assistant] Uhm, discomfort, like he was very protective of me. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And so elements of that relationship, uh, shaped the way that I was able to learn Muay Thai or what I was able to learn at that time. Uhm, and it, it's not


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[Assistant] I love Master K and he is an absolutely incredible teacher, but those things that can't change are not conducive to...


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[Assistant] The contact that's necessary. Oh, the cultural barrier.


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[Assistant] It's very easy to misunderstand things that uhm, like, so Gansok teaches at AMA, which is like MMA people.


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[Assistant] So he has fighter students, he has real students, they totally go and fight, they're real fighters, and he's bringing elements of


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[Assistant] Thailand Muay Thai with him because of who he is and what he did and all of these things, he can teach.


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[Assistant] Amazing elements of Muay Thai, but he cannot make a 25 year old man who's gonna go fight in an octagon do shadow punches back and forth across the...


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[Assistant] Master K definitely had elements that he had changed and adapted to a western student, but a lot of his remained very old school in like repetition.


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[Assistant] The beauty of the kick in that photo came from...


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I remember when we were going to train with, uh, Sakmokon.


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[Assistant] And, uh, Master K was like, tell him he was very handsome.


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[Assistant] But yea, when you first start, no matter where you are, uhm, there's this...


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[Assistant] Kind of excitement and exploration of going from nothing to something.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's like rapid growth and really exciting and it's like this, this pop of development and way later.


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[Assistant] After many plateaus and frustrations and feeling like, what's wrong with me? I'm not learning as fast anymore. You kind of discover that you have a style.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I never got to discover with Master K that I had a style that was not what was expected of me.


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[Assistant] There's also the moe that he likes is very like, uh, high, high, idle.


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[Assistant] The last time I fought her, I remember wondering aloud,


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[Assistant] How does she train the timing on those elbows in the clinch? Cause like, women don't


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[Assistant] And unfortunately, I don't read those articles closely enough to know what the alternate actually is. It's actually, I think, just changing habits. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] Mistakenly think that they can plan or like...


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[Assistant] White fist their way into heaps of progress. Which is like...


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[Assistant] So I have this fight at the end of the month against a girl who I know is gonna throw some fucking hard right hands at me. So I need to work on my guard. If I'm like, alright Sylvie, let's plan it, we have 20 days to like, get a solid guard. I cannot plan out that growth. Like I can work on it, I can focus on it.


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[Assistant] No. And this, this growth in this fight, and maybe two fights, I don't know. Like, I have had these kind of sudden, like,


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[Assistant] Just like quantum blip into a different level a couple of times.


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[Assistant] I don't plan for it. I don't go into the fight with like a particular...


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[Assistant] I'm sure there are things that are making that happen, like degrees of relaxation, my fuck it attitude, how much I don't like fighting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and trying to control the particular growth, like.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we know each other. We know each other's strengths and weaknesses and tendencies and things like that. And we have to keep adapting and changing to each other. And while I had a really good fight,


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[Assistant] This climber, he's an amazing climber, cut off his finger, and like,


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[Assistant] Everybody's like, you can't climb without your index finger. Everything is about this, like, that tiny little thing. Obviously, don't go cut off your finger, but like,


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[Assistant] Because Nang Hong... changing the way she's snuffing my clinch.


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[Assistant] Even being able to move into that creativity is in itself a pop in, uhm, development.


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[Assistant] Like, if I had just been like, oh, it's not working, I'm gonna keep trying to make this work, that's not...


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[Assistant] The technique was move to the next thing, try the next doorknob.


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[Assistant] And I think that that's a hard thing to focus on, which is maybe what allows it to be a thing that actually grows. Like, the weed under your porch grows really well, whereas the stuff you're trying to curate in the garden is like, difficult.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you're like trying to get it to grow or whatever the thing is, like, uhm.


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[Assistant] I've seen a couple of fights in the past year of not bad fighters at all, but


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[Assistant] Because of their inability to, uh, have that flexibility or relaxation or whatever the thing is,


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[Assistant] Decent fighters who do really well in other circumstances get reduced down to this, all I have is a jab. Like, I've run out of ideas and I only have this jab and they just keep getting kicked back onto their starting block because they can't get it to work.


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[Assistant] One, Karo has come to train, which is...


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[Assistant] Kara is from France and she's come to Thailand before.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she was training up in Ubon at Lamna Moon's gym last year for like two months? Uhm, and then-


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[Assistant] And then she came to our Moek House Summit in December, which almost, she almost didn't come to. So like we potentially would never have met Kara, but she came to the summit and I just love her.


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[Assistant] Uh, it creates something, like it kind of like...


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then, uh, Bai, who is the daughter of one of our trainers.


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[Assistant] So she's grown up in Muay Thai, and she's sporadic, like she'll train hard when she has a fight, but she fights like once a year. She's, she's in the gym more, like she's actually getting more into it, and because she's like 14 now, uhm, she's much smaller than these other


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[Assistant] Bigger women. And then there's a, another Thai woman, uhm, who isn't technically part of the gym, but she, uh, has her own trainer and then does the rest of her work with us and so she'll like clinch and spar with us and stuff. She's also got this heart that's like she just loves Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then one of Vi's friends is maybe coming in and then we've got some young women who are coming in after school for like fitness. Uhm, there's a...


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[Assistant] Typical male western fantasy to come to a gym that's all ties. Like, you're the only westerner. And uhm, this is very hard to do.


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[Assistant] If they accept you, they generally accept all for wrong. Like, you're not special.


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[Assistant] Having another person like you, even if you don't get along, even if it's, I don't fucking connect necessarily to the other, uh, person, the other woman at the gym, like we don't have to be buddies.


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[Assistant] We don't want to be animosity towards each other or anything like that, but like, we don't have to then become like a bonded thing just being there. Just there being two of us.


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[Assistant] Changes things. Like, now there's us. Like now there's two. And...


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[Assistant] This makes a difference. This is a big thing. And now there's like five of us. So what is that?


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[Assistant] Part of my whole process or what I'm trying to achieve are permanent


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[Assistant] When I'm at the gym alone and I have these like blips of acceptance or like Sylvie is like us or how Pnue uses me as the example to be like the boys have to catch up with Sylvie, that's cool except I'm an exception still. Like I'm not actually, I'm accepted as an exception.


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[Assistant] It's different when there's then two of you that's like, okay, Sylvie works hard, we expect this woman to work hard too.


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[Assistant] Like the other day, uhm, the boys had all pretty much cleared out and, uh,


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[Assistant] All women and crew knew. Like, we had taken over the gym. Lending weights? Yeah. So like, Angie comes almost every afternoon and does her own weight thing.


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[Assistant] So Angie's lifting weights, Caro goes in there and does her own like weightlifting thing. I'm doing whatever PNU's doing and then there's this like 14 year old Korean girl who comes after school. She's doing what we're doing. And then, uhm,


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[Assistant] Bi comes in after she's hit the bag and is like doing her own thing and I'm like, it's all women and crew new.


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[Assistant] The great thing about Krunu is that everyone does the same work.


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[Assistant] There's no like, okay, go in the corner and do your thing cause you're not serious. Like everyone does the same thing. And the fact that you can have


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[Assistant] Me and Caro and a 14 year old girl after school and the woman taking selfies, like the diversity of those.


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[Assistant] Don't control it, same as like growth spurts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like you can be who you are or what you are, but listen and work hard.


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[Assistant] But he totally showed up at my gym and just fucking jumped in cause he's one of these, uh, ex fighters who just cannot help himself, like he just has to like...


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[Assistant] It's like the bar that like all the celebrities go to or something.


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[Assistant] Hippie wanted to teach me something. He was watching me hit the bag. And he was like...


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[Assistant] Kevin, in our notes, refers to this as taking the safety off.


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[Assistant] It's not a like, everything I throw is now like, kill shot, kill shot, kill shot. It's like, there is a, a serious...


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[Assistant] And I think that I am missing that in the like, feeling emotional drive, and for a very long time I struggled with like,


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[Assistant] And, so what Hippie was showing me was this kind of like, all these things that you already have are with the safety on. So you're never gonna shoot anybody, like, how, how deadly are you with the safety on?


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[Assistant] But it still, even when it's taught like that, it still has this kind of like combination.


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[Assistant] He was showing me how to like...


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[Assistant] He insisted it's not a teep, but it's just like the ball of the foot stabbing the other person's front leg. It's so...


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[Assistant] Painful slash annoying. And other fighters do it. If you watch Rambaugh, he slaps the inside of that front leg so he's like stinging it all the time. And you're hurting someone already. Like you're not going light for the sake of going light. But it's basically a like, I'm juggling you.


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[Assistant] I'm juggling your mind, I'm juggling your body, and annoying you, until I can just fucking fire this killer shot.


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[Assistant] And he sees me throwing with power, and he sees me throwing things that can hurt, but the quality of intention of like, this is firing into your face, like this is the gunshot, was missing. And we've talked before about how you have to train, uh, aggression, you have to train


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[Assistant] I'm fucking saying something, like, and I can, there are times, there are times when I'm like...


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[Assistant] Out of gas, dying, getting madder and madder with PNU because he's so big and he's like pushing me past that limit.


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[Assistant] This will end this exchange. And it usually doesn't, cause he's just so big, but like sometimes it can kinda like bounce him off of me or something. And I'm like halfway there. When I have that get the fuck off of me, this is gonna hurt you.


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[Assistant] I talked about this at the Moikow Summit because we had some of our Western women who were at the summit sparring with these Yod Moing best female fighters that we had brought in to work with us because Western women never get to train with Thai women. We only fight them and it's terrible that we never get to train with them.


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[Assistant] Western women, by and large, are way bigger than their Thai counterparts. So some of our women were much bigger than these, uh, Thai women that they were sparring, and they went fucking hard. Like, because that's how we spar in the West was part of it, cause they're excited was part of it, like just kind of lack of control kind of thing.


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[Assistant] And I think that when we have this whole discussion about like, Thai spar so light, it's like, it's not necessarily physically light, it's emotionally lighter and then the dominance is real.


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[Assistant] So, in, when I was correcting the Western women towards what kind of sparring we could do, I was like, don't hit super hard, but perform as though you just ended the fight, right? So you only actually kick the leg about this hard, but then you're like, I just fucking ended the fight.


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[Assistant] That's how you practice it. So even if I don't get Crenu off of me with the knee that I just threw, I perform as though there's no way you could possibly get up from that. Even if he gets up.


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[Assistant] This is such a, I don't know, maybe people like pop culture references when I bring them up. This is maybe a stupid example, but I find it very funny. So uhm, one of the fighters out of my gym, Alex from Italy,


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[Assistant] Uh, he's very lauded by Thai audiences because as a westerner, he has this Thai quality of what's called ning, which is being kind of like unperturbed, unaffected, very calm, like no matter what's coming at him, it's, it's almost like none of this is affecting me kind of thing. And uhm,


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[Assistant] They, the nickname, I think he's given himself, but maybe, uh, Filippo gave to him was the Italian Ferrari.


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[Assistant] Which I find stupid because all Ferraris are Italian, but apparently it's, it's like, not in that order. But as a joke towards this, and I'm not the same name that Alex is, like, I'm kind of this opposite, kind of like,


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[Assistant] Coming forward, turning, whatever. So to have Alex be the Italian Ferrari, we joke that I'm American muscle.


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[Assistant] You have to say it in the Vin Diesel voice.


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[Assistant] In the same way that not having the kill shot doesn't mean anything, you have to be like, American Muscle.


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[Assistant] Well, it's not that severe, but you do have to have a kind of intention towards, uhm,


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[Assistant] No, and so you, you see, like, I really won on points. Like that, the decision-ator thing.


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[Assistant] It's the same thing with like the eye contact, where at first you can do it for like two seconds.


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[Assistant] And then you can do it for like four seconds and then you can do it for four seconds but four times or like that kind of thing. Because it's a feeling and it's hard to capture, it's kind of like a exposure


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[Assistant] Therapy practice, where like, I'm just gonna have to try to capture that feeling in training as much as possible.


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[Assistant] It's a combination of willpower and feeling it. I have to remember, like, when I'm hitting this bag, I need to have moments of that safety is off. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think that comes from me being a kind of person who has very conflicted and very strong


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[Assistant] Reactions and feelings about violence. I've experienced real, true violence that I, for a long time, was like, Muay Thai is not violence because it's two people going into it.


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[Assistant] And then I'm like, oh no, there is violence in Muay Thai and it's something you have to practice and learn as a skill. But maybe because of my super-conflicted past, you turn left at the end of this.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with violence is this like every, every move is designed to end the fight.


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[Assistant] Is that there's, I immediately recognize something very real about fighting that is not sport necessarily.


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[Assistant] Serious problems with Orson Scott Card aside, just talking about the book.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Ender is chosen to like lead this military as a kid because he has this quality already within him. He gets in a fight with a bully at school and practically kills him.


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[Assistant] Because he's like, you wanna fuckin' fight with me, we end it. Like, you will never come bother me again, if it's gonna be a fight.


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[Assistant] But it is that like, everything is en- everything is meant to end the fight, is like, if you wanna make this real,


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[Assistant] We're gonna make it... finish. There's no like...


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[Assistant] I think because of that conflicted feeling about violence, is that there is, there is no one-sidedness to uhm,


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[Assistant] Real violence is one sided. Real violence is victimizing someone else or, or these other things. And so if it's like, okay, we're having this exchange and it's gonna end rather than like,


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[Assistant] Krav Maga being like the most recent true martial art that's for the military, so it's like...


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[Assistant] You saying that because it's a military form of martial art, and I'm saying that in the military there's no like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then actually do it. All of it's very hard.


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[Assistant] But Hippie must've... He's a small dude.


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[Assistant] He must have been facing people bigger all the time, and like...


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[Assistant] He probably already had it, but his like, okay, now we flex this muscle, now we build this muscle, must've been a like, I don't have size, so fuck you.


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[Assistant] And they like steep in some quality that just like permeates what they end up being like. This is the value that actually is what I want to keep.


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[Assistant] A very good western-style boxer, also Muay Thai fighter, but so he worked with me a lot on punching.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and his particular style of like weight transfer and delivering a lot of fucking power, he's got heavy hands.


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[Assistant] Is kind of this rocking, diving forward, where like the head and the hand come together. Uhm.


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[Assistant] In contrast to Char Chai and Sagat, they connect the punch to the elbow being stuck to the ribs, and then it kinda comes out at the very last minute from a twist.


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[Assistant] Nung doesn't twist a lot. He rocks forward more. Uhm, and...


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[Assistant] And it happens to be that this like diving, we call it diving.


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[Assistant] Is also how Tanadette, also in the Muay Thai library, uh, clinch fighter,


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[Assistant] Uhm, he, the way he enters into the clinch is through basically the same kind of dive that Nung throws his right cross with, and uhm.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that is what delivers that power, so uhm, there's, there are like,


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[Assistant] It's like a powerful kick, but like the technique's not great, like it's not beautiful, but it's strong.


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[Assistant] Whatever made it strong is some kind of like linking in your body that you're not aware of. So then to make it more beautiful or more unbalanced or whatever, you start going on your toe.


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[Assistant] That maybe takes the power out of your kick. Like this totally happens.


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[Assistant] So, something along the line of Sylveon Master K's basement with a powerful right cross and fuckin' 254 fights in Thailand, somewhere in there.