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[Assistant] Right? You know, and that's just because he's kind of getting it done with just pure natural ability. He has an incredibly flexible arm, like insanely. So he could not even use his body and he just cocks his arm and he can just slingshot at 65 yards. But where it hurts him is the placement of the ball at times.


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[Assistant] And especially on some of the shorter to intermediate throws, it can't be an all-arm throw all the time there. You gotta learn how to use the body, make it more catchable for the guy there. Those are some things there. And then of course he watches the rush a little bit, not because he's scared.


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[Assistant] Right? There's plenty of guys in this process where I go, this guy watches the rush because he's scared to death. And I can't stand that. He wants to run me. Exactly. This guy's looking at going, wait, anytime I've gotten pressure from this guy, I've gone around the edge and ran for 70 in my whole life. So I think I can do that here. There's just some of that.


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[Assistant] Right. You've always been able to go, hey, wait, when I gotta get out of jail or get out of trouble, my legs are awesome. So I don't have to go look at, oh, where's number two and number three and number four, you know, like CJ Straub does, who might not have the luxury of just turning the corner and running 60 yards, right? So yes, it has to be a little bit of a learned process there. Uh, but he does not,


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[Assistant] Like, he is not looking to scramble. That's the one thing. Like to the point of at times where you go, would you scramble here? Stop sitting in the pocket, like trying to stay in Johnny quarterback position here and go. And I think he's trying to prove that point.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but that's the one thing I got from the film, is yeaah, there's real skills there, we know that. He wants to play it the right way. He does. And then I think when, you know, that development will come, again, this is where meeting the guy, I wish I could meet him, I wish I could spend some time with him.


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[Assistant] Cause he's the kind of guy where you go, okay, wait, wait, I've been with this guy for a full day here. He's a good guy. He loves the game. I could tell he, he wants to work. He's going to work and get better at some of these things. Then you'd be less concerned about some of the things that we're worried about here in his game.


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[Assistant] And that's where the meeting in person and him getting up on the chalkboard and drawing out plays, that's gonna be the last piece of the puzzle to instill confidence in some of these teams that he can do this.


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[Assistant] The Malik Willis. Er, it's right on par with Malik Willis. Kay.


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[Assistant] But with higher upside athletics. Higher upside for sure. See where he has a difference than all of these guys is just that...


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[Assistant] You know, the quarterback design run game is gonna be a real thing with him. Like a real thing. Not just like a once in a while type of thing. It can be a consistent, like, ooh, we gotta worry about this part of their offense with his size and, hey, he's great at, he can lower his shoulder, but he's great at not taking big shots that way. Right? So,


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[Assistant] And Lance played in a really basic offense that dominated and was allowed to run the ball and dominate people that way. But did Lance ever have in a game in college have a game like this kid did against Vanderbilt? Or like this kid did against Texas A&M? No. Where...


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[Assistant] You know, pretty much throughout a whole game, it was just one big throw after another and picking apart, you know, some pretty good players on defense on that side of the ball. So.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's, there's, there's parts of his game that I would say are, it's, it's, it's less raw than, than Trey Lance's in some ways. It's close there. It's close. It's close to Trey Lance. It's maybe less raw than Malik Willis. And then Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] It's probably more raw than Jordan Love. That answered the question.


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[Assistant] I did, I did. He had some things he had to work on for sure.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I think it's an overblown topic. Now one, like.


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[Assistant] Stroud goes to the Panthers, Young goes to the Texans.


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[Assistant] Number four sitting there is the Indianapolis Colts. Do I think it's crazy to, you know, obviously I like Hendon Hooker.


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[Assistant] But do I think it's crazy for them to think like Anthony Richardson there with Shane Steichen who just ran this damn offense with Jalen Hurts? No, not at all.


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[Assistant] You know, where was I gonna go with that? That, that uhm, uh, I blanked out on what I was, how I was gonna finish that. Running quarterbacks and success in the NFL. Yeah, well I reevaluated myself from that question there a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, these guys are a show that they, they, you know, they can develop a little bit quicker and better than I maybe give them credit for, or maybe they could 20 years ago.


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[Assistant] You know, so, you know, we're seeing quarterbacks get in the league and develop quick and fix some of these mechanical issues faster than ever before.


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[Assistant] I think this guy's got it in him to do it. From what I've seen, it's a natural thrower. And like I said, he wants to play in the pocket and throw the football that way. It's just going to be, yeah, he needs more playing, more reps. But when you get into the NFL too, Ahmed, really sometimes it can become simpler, you know, and more concise because like, again,


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[Assistant] It's just like, hey, all there is is football. There's no school. Hey, we're gonna.


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[Assistant] Here's 10 plays, we're gonna get really good at them and then we're gonna have the right formula off of them. You know, it's like we talked about with like Jalen Hurts and the Eagles, it's hard to be right after a while. They gotta answer for everything, even though it's not a ton variety of plays at one point early in the year. And then it expanded as we went along.


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[Assistant] That's where it could be, and that's where he's gonna have value, and uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wanna make sure that I don't miss anything here, but-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you know, hey, has a tendency to stay on one guy a little bit too long. At the end of the year I started to see that disappear though, more and more.


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[Assistant] You know, where, you know, again, a big arm guy looking to lock onto a guy, I'm gonna fit it in there, I'm gonna fit it in there, right? Doing a little bit of that. Uhm, but, yea. I think you hit a lot of it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I couldn't help it. There's one guy here that we're going to hit on in a minute that I didn't want to leave him out of the top five because he deserves to be in this conversation. If we made him a number six, it wouldn't have the same value. So I did not want to do that. And I thought he was every bit worthy of being in this top five conversation. So yeah, I'm cheating this year.


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[Assistant] That quarterback is... DTR. Dorian Thompson Robinson, UCLA. I don't understand it. I don't get it.


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[Assistant] You know, here's just a base level, just a base level argument, okay?


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[Assistant] Just to like throw it out there to say he belongs. He's taller than Bryce Young. He's faster than Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] He plays the position of quarterback right up there with the top guys in the sport. I mean, he can do everything. So I don't know, can he have a little, he has a little bit of a long wind up?


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[Assistant] He can be, maybe he doesn't see the field as well as CJ Stroud and Bryce Young, right? All that. He plays smaller than 6-2. I'll say that too. But damn, after that, I don't know.


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[Assistant] What else to say? I would argue that going through reads and seeing the field other than Stroud and Young, he's the next, the mech's best one of the group.


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[Assistant] You know, even maybe better than Hendon Hooker in that department. Right? So, his arm...


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[Assistant] Is better than Bryce Young's, like I said, and more in lines with like, Hendon Hooker. No-nobody's CJ Stroud in this. But, yeaah, and then, again.


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[Assistant] You know, reading the field, pro offense, getting to see him diagnose coverages and go through reads. Yeah, okay, I'm going to put Stroud and Young ahead of that, but like in third it would be DTR once again.


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[Assistant] So that's where I don't really get it. I don't. His mechanics are great, his feet is great, and he's got a really natural fluid motion just like Sherad and Bryce Young. So I'm just shocked that there's...


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[Assistant] I look at lists and like, there's 15 quarterbacks, and this kid's 13, and I'm going, what?


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[Assistant] This kid's got starting quarterback NFL traits. There's no way.


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[Assistant] And to me, yeaah, he's a guy that I could see late first round, team going, you know, we'll trade up into the round so we can get him for that fifth year option, something like that, maybe early in day two in the second round, I don't know. But I think he deserves to be in this conversation, I really do.


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[Assistant] But yeah, the draft community will tell me about maturity and reps here in another week and tell me how important that is. And I go, well, he's really mature and has reps. And they're like, well, he's great, but he's a little too old for that. Oh, okay. There's always a stipulation. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I get it. I think that's overballed. I like the fact that, oh, he's played a lot of football, but he's experienced, and he's mature, and he's seen a lot of things. Yeah. And again, I mean, are we inking them to 15-year deals right off the bat? I thought we were just signing these guys for four or five years, and then we'll reevaluate then. Yeah. I don't know what the big deal's being made of a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, so, and damn, I mean, back in the day, weren't all the quarterbacks coming out in the draft 23, 24? I mean, shit, a lot of them were.


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[Assistant] He had, did he have Chip Kelly all his whole career? No, I think he had Chip. How long has Chip been there? Well, Chip last two for sure, right? It might have been three. Okay. Right? And Chip Kelly's offense is good. It's expanded. It could be longer.


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[Assistant] Any offensive coordinator he has in his NFL career. It could be. Right, right. But man, you know, the other thing too is you get to see him run a lot of pro-style schemes and concepts where you go, whoa, okay, he can do it. He gets it.


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[Assistant] You know, there's really, other than the size thing again, a little bit, yea, the frail body scares me. Right? He...


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[Assistant] Natural thrower, but does have a tendency to get maybe a little too baseball-y and let his arm drop at times.


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[Assistant] And can get a little too, just like, I'm gonna sling the ball around the yard a little bit and maybe a hair care list of decisions. But not like crazy. I mean it's 27 touchdowns and 10 interceptions if I remember.


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[Assistant] You know, got a little lucky. USC, shit, he threw six interceptions in two of his last three games. So that, that's what sucks too. Got a little lucky on some of them in the USC game.


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[Assistant] You know, I had some things there, but yeaah, I-I don't understand, uh, why the guy's not getting more hype, and just like what I was trying to explain to you there, can play the position and then has the physical traits to go off of it, uhm, I-I think it's pretty damn impressive. Chip was there all five years. It was all five. It is guaranteed that he was there.


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[Assistant] Well, it's just funny, well, I just don't like how like some arguments get used for some guys and don't get for others.


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[Assistant] Like, Chip Kelly's a negative, and woah, he did good things, but Nick Saban and Bill O'Brien aren't a negative. Like, he overcame those. And again, I'm not trying to be negative on anybody there. I'm just saying, like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's like these talking points every year where I go, wait, wait, last year this was a talking point, this year is the same thing, but nobody wants to use that, nobody wants to get on this guy for that, right?


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[Assistant] Like Zach Wilson, people were making like his, his, oh man, he's not a big guy, he's not a big guy, he's not a big guy, he's not a big guy. Shit, they talked about him not being a big guy more than they talk about...


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[Assistant] Bryce Young not being a big guy, and he's a giant compared to Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] So that's where I just, you know, I don't understand it. But yeah, the DTR thing, I mean, it's one of those where I got done watching the film in a little bit and just going, wait, is there something I don't know about this kid? Like, is there, is he, did he do something? Did he get in trouble at some point in his life? Like what, how could he not be in this conversation?


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[Assistant] The guy can play quarterback, he's got starting quarterback traits, and uh, you get to see it over and over with what he did at UCLA.


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[Assistant] And here's the one that I guess is going to surprise people the most.


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[Assistant] Totally in the reality of like, Will Levis could certainly go in the top 10, 12 picks of the draft. Right? Totally, I get it.


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[Assistant] A little bit, again to me, he's got a little bit of the boom bust factor here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he does. And maybe even less of a bust just because of, like, Richardson's ability to run and do that. Yeaah. You know, that's where I give him a, you know, a little bit of an advantage. But, you know, with Levis, first off, the positives are, yeaah, his size, his toughness, it's off the charts. You know? I mean, his body is rocked up.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna say it's too rocked up. Do you hear me? I like rocked up bodies. Too rocked up. Bothers me. It's a little too tight and muscle bound. Gotta rock down. Well yeaah. Just tell me how many great quarterbacks you've seen that are rocked up through your time in life. Like tell me what the great quarterbacks are that are rocked up. That had guns like he did at the Combine.


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[Assistant] None. Brady Quinn. Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow. Exactly right. Right. Would not be the poster childs I would want to be named after. As far as if I was trying to be a quarterback. Right? So that, I don't love that. But. Toughness. He is a good athlete. And here, don't get me wrong here.


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[Assistant] You take his 10 best throws, his 20 best throws, they're up there with anybody. It's like, oh woah, laser show, right? He can, he can throw in lasers like CJ Stroud or Richardson. The problem is, there's just, it's too few and far between.


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[Assistant] You know, you heard me talking a little bit before the podcast started. It's just a little too all over the place. The ball itself and the mechanics. Both of it. And, out of the decision making, he's kinda towards the bottom of the list in that department too.


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[Assistant] Well, I think you put him and Richardson out of the guys we talked about today as the bottom of the department in the decision making process. Right? So there's that.


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[Assistant] You know, and then, yeah, would I talk about with the inconsistencies and throws and, you know, even seeing the field I don't love all the time. But yeah, the, the mechanics and the inconsistencies there bother me too. He's too flicky.


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[Assistant] The motion's a little all over the place every throw.


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[Assistant] He tries to do it all with his hips and I don't even really know how to explain it. The ball can come out very low and sidearm and there's no...


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[Assistant] It's like he wants to create a separation between his upper and lower half, but then it doesn't reconnect and he just kind of lets it fly through. And it's just like, man, like a little bit what I said with Richardson before,


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[Assistant] Where there's just too many throws where you go, damn, you're too good to miss that throw. How do we miss the five yard shallow cross by, you know, two yards, right? There's some of that. Or even if it's completed, it's a little off target. And then it doesn't have maybe the...


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[Assistant] I think, you know, bothers me in that department. And unlike the other guys, especially the top guys, right? When we get into Stroud and Bryce Young and Hooker.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm also into, hey things aren't perfect, right?


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[Assistant] And like I talked about, there's like a 10 yard crosser.


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[Assistant] And your feet are a little cockeyed and okay, you're not going to be able to get your shoulder in the perfect throw, but you just got to get it done. He's open and you got to get it on there and get the ball. I don't care if it's a perfect spire or whatever, just get it done with your athletic ability, your hand, your arm and get it out there. Those guys all do it.


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[Assistant] Hooker, Young, Stroud, like consistently easy.


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[Assistant] Well, him and DTR, I didn't know where to go here because his potential is greater than DTR's. It is.


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[Assistant] You know? And I know, there's a part of me that goes, man, that offense sucked there and he couldn't be protected. So there's a lot of that as well. Right? You know? But...


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[Assistant] Definitely is. Definitely is. And there's something to that. Still some of the same problems I saw though when I went back last year too. With some of the inconsistencies in the throws and the motions. Still some, every game some eye popping throws.


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[Assistant] Every game, just a bunch of throws where you go, oh, I mean, how do you under throw that goal route? You got him. You got the strongest arm in college football. How do we under throw that? Why does he go stop? Why is it the jump ball now? It's just, and that's because it's the motions all over place. The mechanics are all over the place, but his ceiling is high.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I know he's a smart kid, but I can't lie from your point, what you just said there, there's a few times where I wrote in the notes like,


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[Assistant] Is, is he the problem with the offense? Do they not trust him to do more? You know, are they so, because you can get in the second quarter and be like, this is the fifth time I've seen this play, it's the second quarter. Like, is that partly because of him? I don't know that, again, and I don't, but those are things I wonder, I don't know. And then like I said in the combine, with the mechanics too, remember in the combine I was like,


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[Assistant] The feet are, they're like segmented. They're not always in rhythm with how he's throwing the football. He'll get to the top of the drop and stand there flat-footed and then.


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[Assistant] As he's getting ready to throw, decide he wants to hitch and get his legs into it. Or sometimes he steps backwards. Or sometimes the foot goes in the bucket. You know, there's just a little bit of that that scares me a little bit. Let alone...


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[Assistant] With his feel in the pocket, the natural intuition to just get it done, right? And then the inconsistencies in the mechanics, that's why I got him tied for number five. But, I also want to say,


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[Assistant] Would I be shocked in a few years if, like, we went here in three years from now? You're like, okay, he's just starting quarter, but he got it all together. He figured it all out.


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[Assistant] They just, the offense didn't lend itself to that a whole lot. So that was the big thing. It's a little bit again.


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[Assistant] A little of that San Francisco 49ers scheme that they were running.


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[Assistant] Where a lot of that is over the middle. You know, but to that too.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's the greatest in that department as far as being able to trust where the balls would go in some of those. The power's not the problem.


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[Assistant] He can throw a laser on a 20 yard out route, sure, but it just can be a little bit all over the place as far as the location of that football. Uhm, but yeaah, that's definitely, that's one that's again, the evaluators are going to have to decipher


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[Assistant] When they talk to him and all that, is this the offense? Is this you? You know? And kind of get a feel for where his mind was and that whole system and what the plays they were calling there. But yea, it didn't help him. And like I said, out of all the quarterbacks too, he's the least protected. I do want to make sure I give him credit in that department.


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[Assistant] You know, that's the one thing I do like about it. You know, I don't want to say one thing. It's one of the positives that I really like about it. I didn't mean to come out like that. Is that...


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[Assistant] He played NFL football from the standpoint of he had people in his face and he took a lot of hits, you know, all year long and that will be life in the NFL unless you're playing for, you know, two or three teams in the league.


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[Assistant] I feel like it's just a little all potential based.


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[Assistant] Sure, I get that. It's not Matthew Stafford though, as far as it's like, I mean, Matthew Stafford coming out, I can still remember his last year at Georgia, I was going, damn, this guy's the number one pick. I mean, he's just slinging around everywhere, and it's on the money.


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[Assistant] You know, so yeah, from, I know what they mean in theory, but it's not that. And see, that's what I mean. Too many people are putting into the potential, oh, it's Josh Allen. And I want to go, no.


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[Assistant] You know, again, Josh Allen, some of these throws there, they were incomplete, but they were on the money. They weren't like this, right? They might have been, might have not been the greatest decision.


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[Assistant] Or it might have, you know, he threw it through a 40 mile per hour wind and it went off the receivers face, right? These are like, no, the target was missed. Period. There's some different, there's a difference in that. Not all incompletions are created equal. And then I think like I said, the natural, the, the, probably the least elusive out of the group.


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[Assistant] And the natural field plays were probably the least. And I think with that, and like I said, the, the accuracy and consistencies are probably what led me to put them where I put them.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, again, one thing you'll see from him is body in position almost perfectly all the time. I mean, you can kind of even tell just by what you're watching right here, Ahmed, right? I mean, legs are always in a good spot, right? You could see there, you know, it's smooth, it's really smooth. Hey, if we could rewind just a little bit. Not only are we showing the video now.


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[Assistant] If you can, well watch, how the motion can get long at times. Like those are just a little long there, that one's not as bad. He throws this next one though. You know, that would be one where at times, not this one, it's the next one in the back. You'll see him throw to his right, where you do see this happen at times, and that can lead to the ball maybe being a little inaccurate.


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[Assistant] You know, him just slinging it around a little too much in that department.


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[Assistant] You know, that's nitpicky. And again, it's a pretty easy fix. You can shorten somebody's motion. You know, what you can't do is give them the strength and the feel the guy has. And you know, that's again, where I get into it, I just go, man, there's not a lot of negatives about DTR's game. I don't know what everybody's looking at there. Ladies and gentlemen, we have done it.


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[Assistant] I think when it's all sudden done, they're gonna go, wait, how many guys out there that are 6'3 and change that can throw it like this and make decisions and be unaffected by people around you, uh, uh, you know, in the league? And they're gonna go, damn, there's not many, that's right, we gotta put this guy in there. Now I know the ACL throws that into it, but...


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[Assistant] I think I would be shocked if Hendon Hooker doesn't end up going in the first round when all this is said and done. I really would be. So, we'll see where it goes. DTR is the one I don't know, and maybe...


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[Assistant] Maybe there's something that I'm not seeing, but I really like these six quarterbacks and here on the way out and I know we're going to hit more of this stuff on Wednesday. I do want to give love to one other guy that I think needs to be, Max Duggan from TCU. Okay, he doesn't make the top six, but damn.


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[Assistant] I mean, Max Duggan's got some traits about him that are real deal Holyfield.


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[Assistant] First off, we know he's a good athlete. His arm is way more explosive than I know I gave it credit for. It really is. And again, he's another guy that's, yea, he's playing a little backyard and by the, you know, flying by the seat of his pants a little bit. But, wow. I mean, he's not a reckless decision maker.


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[Assistant] And it is a lot of big time plays and throws and grittiness and toughness and man, I liked his game a lot. So I just wanted to give him some love on the way out and I'm looking at some more other guys on Wednesday.


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[Assistant] I just, I don't know how that happens. I mean, wow. It's just, ran four, five.


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[Assistant] He's, you know, above 210 pounds, and his arm, like I was saying, it's a quick release, and it pops out. And he can make game-changing throws. You know, I look at him and go, if Sam Howell was drafted in the fourth last year, maybe that was the fifth, to me, he's, he's better than Sam Howell.


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[Assistant] So, that's where I'd go. His arm is definitely better than Sam Powell, and he's a better athlete. So, that's where I think when this is all sudden done and he gets evaluated, I think you're gonna hear his name towards the top half of the draft a lot more too. Anyone else you wanna give love to? Or should we save it for Wednesday? We'll save it. Let's do this.


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[Assistant] All have things to really, really like about their game. That if they reach their potential. Exactly. And the things they have to fix are not like, oh my gosh, this is a huge fix or a huge problem. To where, yeah, like you said, if they reach their potential, they, they certainly could be something and be hanging around the league for a long time.


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[Assistant] And one day even get the great glory of being in the Chris Sims Top 5 of the Top 40 quarterback countdown.


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[Assistant] Roll a question at us and we'll talk about it on Wednesday. No doubt about it. We'll be here Wednesday. We'll unpack this even more. Please keep sending in the questions. You know where to find us. Subscribe, rate, review, and we'll continue to unpack the draft as a whole as we go along, along with all the big stories around the NFL. But I hope everybody enjoyed the


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[Assistant] The one and only draft quarterback ranking. You know me and maybe I make a tweak.


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[Assistant] Okay, as we go on and make a guy two or three that was four or four that was three.


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[Assistant] But most years, I pretty much stand pat from where I'm at. I hope everybody enjoyed it, understood the things I said. Please send in the questions. Like you said, Ahmed, thanks for driving the ship as always. Congratulations to your team and Chauncey Gardner Johnson. What a special moment. You guys, I think they're going to hang a banner up on the stadium. We signed Chauncey Gardner no matter what happened.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, yo, yo, what's up? It's Chris Simms, um, Button. It's episode 473. Ahmed Farid is here and that's why you listen to this podcast. It's the deep dives into octagons and hexagons. Those are the things that you'll learn here.


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[Assistant] It's next level shit at Chris Sims on button. Ahmed Fareed, what's up man? How are you today? Yea, what are we talking about? Hexagons? Octagons, right. We're measuring, we're showing some quarterbacks measurables next to an unknown quarterback, which was mine. Yea, yea. And it wasn't as impressive as the one.


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[Assistant] Uh, man. Just crapping on myself on my own pod. What a great show. It's what makes you likeable, right?


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[Assistant] Who needs to talk about it? What's so crazy is we're doing wide receivers today, but in my life, I'm on DBs right now. I'm on corners. So like literally yesterday when we're in our text for our unbuttoned group text, it's like,


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[Assistant] I'm like, oh yea, duh, we gotta talk about receivers tomorrow, as I'm watching DBs, and I'm like, trying to filter that in my brain. Yeah. So, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm in a different position, even though we're gonna talk about this. It's a good group, it's gonna be fun. How was your weekend though? You good? You feeling good? It was good.


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[Assistant] Sixty year old jockey. I don't know if I've seen one that old. That's crazy. Doesn't seem like a good exercise to do.


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[Assistant] No disrespect to you. I was more, I was son of the baseball game. So I missed the early part of the golf. I got home at the end and Texas was on, you know, CBS with the March Madness. So I was kind of only going back to the golf during like commercials of the basketball game.


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[Assistant] Well yea, especially when it's, you know, my alumna, my school that I went to is playing, right? We choked it off, right. Up by 12 with like 10 minutes left in the game we lost. We're dominating the game. What was that feeling like?


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[Assistant] How did- I haven't had tequila in forever. Like, it's been a long time. I used to be obsessed with tequila.


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[Assistant] Danielle, my wife, she was cooking dinner. I was like, you know, I'm gonna have a drink. Why I just start to watch the start of the Texas game, right?


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[Assistant] Not even a big drink. I mean, I'm the kind of guy that like squeezes like a bunch of lime in there and leaves like two or three pieces of lime in there and then a bunch of ice. Right. And then put a little tequila. 1942, I was living the life. So wait, why did you just choose tequila? We were out of vodka.


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[Assistant] So, and I usually would drink vodka, and we were out, and I was like, oh shit. So I was like, I don't want to go to the store. I was like, well I guess it's tequila day. So, I did it, and night goes on, everything's good. But I hit this thing at like, fall asleep at like 11.30 at night, and wife coughed or whatever woke me up.


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[Assistant] And I was up from that point on, and like anxious. And I've had this before with tequila, where it's like...


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[Assistant] I don't know, I never get into a deep sleep, so I had one of those nights where I never felt like I fell asleep, I looked at the clock every 30 minutes, I was restless, so I'm tired as shit right now, but, I mean, hopefully I'm not showing the signs. You look fine, yea, you normally look this tired.


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[Assistant] You know, you get the Sunday Scaries, let alone the tequila, whatever I got working, and probably drank too much coffee late in the morning, too. Which, so it was like a triple whammy of stuff. Gotta watch the caffeine. Holy shit. But I mean, I was like, literally just felt like I was wide awake, and I've had tequila do this to me one other time.


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[Assistant] But I think I thought like, oh, it must have been tequila. I must have had a coffee too late. It's tequila now.


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[Assistant] I had him as number three. He was a great route runner. I worried about his overall explosiveness and speed. That was the thing that bothered me a little bit.


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[Assistant] We'll see where that goes. I think in the NFL community, if you take injury away, Jameson Williams was the consensus number one. But the injury was of course a major part of that situation and teams didn't feel comfortable taking him right away.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, listen, you know me, I'm always gonna self-scout and admit when I'm wrong, and I was wrong there. I think where I got a little bit...


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[Assistant] You know, I got a little into, wait, you know, there's so much talent on the field. Yeah, they're pretty good route runners, but ah, they're a little frail and I just wasn't sold on their overall explosiveness. I think that's really where I was a little bit.


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[Assistant] I know it's a name that's going to come up because I'm sitting here looking at the rundown right now, but I really thought that.


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[Assistant] You know, Garrett Wilson might be a little more Jerry Judy-ish, where it's like, hey, he's really polished, he's a great runner, it's good, great, and he'd be good in the NFL.


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[Assistant] You know, and it looks awesome in college, but I'm not sure it's going to be great in the NFL. And obviously I was wrong there. He showed an ability to be more explosive than I had given him credit for. And I had a great first year with the New York Jazz.


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[Assistant] No, I made him, I think he was my number six, right?


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[Assistant] They were just, you know, again, I would like how I just explained Garrett Wilson. I thought it was maybe all polished. I didn't know if I really believed.


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[Assistant] And the explosive ability, you know, understood that he could be a guy that could have 80, 90 receptions on a football team. But I think you know me by now, I'm not necessarily always into Johnny Polish guy. So yeah, I had him a little lower


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[Assistant] He was, he was unique and like maybe not as explosive as Jamar Chase on the outside, but you know, the knock on them coming out there was, oh, he played in the slot. He played in the slot, right? Which is, this is what kills me about the draft.


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[Assistant] Cause we're going to talk about another guy here in the receiver department a minute ago, where it's just going to be slot, but nobody cares. It's like, Hey, it's awesome. It's a slot. So this year it's cool, but that year it wasn't cool.


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[Assistant] That's what drives me crazy. I can go on like with for instance, for instance, for instance on that throughout like last year, this was a talking point, the negative this year, we're going to just swipe it under the rug and it doesn't matter. And so that drives me crazy.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my point with him is yes, you saw enough, even in the slot or outside. Slot? Okay, great. They still had a top corner on him and he was running a go route. Oh, was he fast enough to beat that guy? Just like he would be on the outside? So you saw enough of that, let alone the route running.


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[Assistant] Maybe the highlight he plays that Henry Ruggs had where he catches slant and you're like, holy shit. Look at him run down the middle of the field, 70 yard touchdown. Whoa. Nobody can run like that. Okay.


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[Assistant] But there was a whole bunch of 50-50 balls, great route run, great route running, great adjusting the ball in the air, beating people with speed, you know, being


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[Assistant] Being the top guy in everybody's eyes. You were also a little higher on T Higgins than the rest.


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[Assistant] C.D. Lamb is, I mean he's really good. C.D. Lamb, there's only one element in his game that he misses, and that's like what we were just kinda talking about with Henry Ruggs. He's not gonna catch a 70 yard touchdown slant.


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[Assistant] And we're just going to go, whoa. It's a little bit more along the lines of Justin Jefferson. I'm not going to say it's quite as good as Justin Jefferson, but size, great route running, enough speed to scare you deep.


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[Assistant] Right? Plays tough, breaks tackles. I mean, really has it all. I mean, he has it all, except he's just not like the 80 yard bomb guy. That's it. And that's, that's fine. You don't need to be that. But, uh, it's, it's, it's interesting. Receiver's interesting and it's about


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[Assistant] You know, what you need. And some teams approach it differently too, and that's what we're going to get into here too. Some teams like, hey, I like three receivers that are kind of all the same, right? So then you don't know what to expect from me, right?


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[Assistant] Then there's also the element of, you know, some teams go, no, no, I want like three totally different guys. I want a Jamar Chase speed guy. And then I want to power forward T Higgins who can post it up and like, okay, he's covered, but he's never covered. I can just throw it up to him.


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[Assistant] And then have a boy who's like in the middle, work in the middle of the field and he's quick and a great route runner and precise. So, you know, that's where this can be a, a tough conversation. It's about what you need for your team. You know, what attributes do you value? If you got two speed guys, you're probably going, damn.


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[Assistant] You know, oh, I don't know if I want the speed guy this year. I'd like the guy maybe that's a little more well-rounded and run routes. So there's all of that that goes into this. And man, there's a lot of good receivers out there. This class specifically? This year. This year. The one we're talking about? Yea, maybe not the most superstar class.


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[Assistant] Well, your boy El Rey, you're right though, I, yes, Wilson exceeded my expectations, just so you know that for sure, and I think I explained that a little bit already. Uhm, yeah, definitely do. You know, I think when we get into


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[Assistant] The top two guys here. Okay. You think they could have been amongst the best from last year? They would have been right in that conversation, for sure. I'm not saying I would have make them one and two, but...


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[Assistant] Yeah, they would have been in this conversation, but last year's class was special. I mean, again, last year's class to what you were talking about, you know,


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[Assistant] Christian Watson was my second favorite receiver, and he was most consensus, what? People's eighth or ninth receiver? Oh, that's right. Yea, I didn't even mention that one. So, like, that's where, you know, hey, there's some guys, even in this class, that are gonna be, got potential to be something in the middle rounds or second or third round. We'll see where that all goes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, pretty decent players too. Definitely. I mean, we saw, yeah, Christian Watson go in the second. Daubs, like you explained. I mean, we've had years where we've seen AJ Metcalf, AJ Brown, Deebo, Samuel and, and DK Metcalf all go in the second round. Yeah. Right. So where it's like,


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[Assistant] You know, again, production gets thrown into this, the stats for the receiver.


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[Assistant] The route tree, you know, how many limbs are off that, you know, how many different routes that they run. All that takes, you know, into consideration, let alone like we were talking about.


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[Assistant] You know, some teams are looking for certain things because they go, wait, we got the two big receivers, now we need the slot jitterbug. So it might end up, hey, Juan Del Mor gets drafted earlier than you expect or something of that nature. But even look at last year, just look at the, the, you know, types of players we got there on this graphic. Drake London, big.


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[Assistant] Power forward type guy. Then you got Wilson and Olavi, who are your speed explosive play guys. Same with Jameson Williams. Dotson.


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[Assistant] Kinda that way too. Maybe a little bit of the jitterbug aspect. Berks.


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[Assistant] More of your AJ Brown type. Watson, a straight liner who's big and can fly. Then you get into the jitterbugs of Metchi and Robinson. And then Tycon Thornton and George Pickens.


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[Assistant] You know, speed guys just fly, can run by anybody. That Alec Pierce who had a little bit of all of it. So, uh, that's what's going to be interesting about this class here. And that's what I think is going to a lot of times dictate, you know, the first round too is just like,


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[Assistant] Hey, the receivers, what do I have on my team and what route are we going in that department and our vision there? Atlanta chose last year to go, hey, we're going big receiver because we got a big tight end and we're just going to be a big football team. I think that's how they looked at it. So they were comfortable with that. There was a lot of teams last year that were like, what?


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[Assistant] You know, Drake London, he's definitely not one of my three best receivers. He didn't have enough explosive ability, but they valued the route running and the size, so his abilities were viewed as higher to them than, you know, maybe a team like,


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[Assistant] Uh, Shanahan and the 49ers, who might not like that type of guy, right? So that's where this is always a great conversation.


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[Assistant] Well, I think, you know, one, I'm always, I'm always the guy that's a little bit more raw, explosive ability, right? That's the first thing I love to see, you know? I mean, can the guy, you know, what can he do? What can he do that's special?


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[Assistant] If you get up in his face and play man to man, right? The great, the great receivers I played with, Joey Galloway's, Roy Williams at Texas, right? Kenny Britt, Brandon Marshall.


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[Assistant] I mean it all started with the go route. Oh, oh, they're playing bump man to man on him? Ho!


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[Assistant] I hope the safety stays in the middle of the field cause I'm throwing to him cause nobody's as fast as that guy I'm about to throw to.


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[Assistant] So that's where it always starts, right? What do you have there? And then we go off of that.


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[Assistant] Where it's, yeaah, size and strength, the ability to take some, you know, rubbing and some bumping as you're going down the field. Can you handle that while the ball's in the air? Can you handle that while you're running the route and the ball's not, not in the air? You know? What are you doing after the catch? Right? We're gonna get into some guys here where I go, they don't burn people.


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[Assistant] When they're running routes, but all of a sudden they get the ball in their hand and ankles break and they run by everybody. So, you know, it's, uh, I try, you try to bring it all together.


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[Assistant] And the number one thing, of course, is explosive ability, but it's not the end all be all. Then you can get into route running size, you know, feel, how do you set up a DB, right?


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[Assistant] You know, do they have a good feel on how to use their body language to be quarterback friendly? So those are a bunch of things I look at. It's not just one thing. And then yeah, unfortunately, none of these guys have it all, right? So you got to pick and choose a little bit and go, Ooh, I value this one a little bit more than that one. And you try to pay, you know, piece it together that way.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's really been coached to run these routes.


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[Assistant] But I've seen that he's like, that's what I was arguing with DK Metcalf.


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[Assistant] That was what happened to him. Oh, the production and the routery. And I want to go, well, okay, let's see the production. The quarterback sucked and the offense sucked. So that was not his fault. He was open all the time. The routery.


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[Assistant] Okay, I don't know, I've seen the guy do everything in the world with the ball in his hand. I know I didn't see him run an in-cut.


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[Assistant] But I'm pretty sure with the highlight I saw before where he broke seven ankles and outran somebody, he can run to the white line and make a right hand turn. I think he can do it. And it doesn't have to be the greatest in the world, right? So yea, you try to piece together. T. Higgins would be a perfect example.


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[Assistant] T Higgins too was a guy where you went, oh, the route running's not all there. I wish it was just a little bit more...


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[Assistant] Aggressive and violent and sharp. Put your foot in the ground. Explode out of the, you know, transition, the break, whatever, right?


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[Assistant] One of the reasons I had him number five cause I went, you know what? He's going to be able to do this cause he'd catch a ball and I'd go, oh damn, look at him use his wiggle there. Look at him jam his foot in the ground there and then accelerate. So he just needed to have somebody go like, Hey, you got to get off the ball faster than that. This is, you ain't playing, you know, in the ACC anymore. We can come off 80%.


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[Assistant] Yeah. He's got a boulder up his ass. He can't really run. Something's weighing him down. That's a good thought. Rockets or rocks. Rockets or rocks. Yeah. That's good. Rocks in his shoes. Maybe we should say that. Rocks in your ass. I don't know if that sounds quite as good, so we'll see.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. But either way, yeaah. Yeaah. Well, and, and you know, speed, slowness is, uh, slowness is an issue when you're a receiver. If you can't separate or, you know, be creative in your route running or understand how to lean people,


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[Assistant] Zay Flowers, number one receiver for me in the 2023 draft, right? We got some good ones coming up to talk about, certainly, so there's no disrespect there to any of them. But, you know, I think when you


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[Assistant] You take in, take in all things accounted here. Uh, for me, this is the guy. One, you know, the, the position versatility as far as the receiver position, he can play inside or outside. You know, some of the best releases in the, in the draft are from Zay Flowers. His ability to get off the line of scrimmage, bump, all of that.


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[Assistant] Head over to the metal, every play, every cut, everything he does. Right? It's hard not to watch him, and I'm seeing this question at the top here. Ooh, alright, let's read it. Because I want to show you my notes, because my notes have this, both names that we're having here. Alright, and I'm gonna just verify this so you can look. You're not making this up.


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[Assistant] That's a huge, that's a huge name to throw out there, alright? But all I'm just saying is, the build, the style of running,


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[Assistant] The way the guy runs routes, I was sitting there and literally like the fifth route, I was like,


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[Assistant] Damn, this guy really reminds me of somebody's body language. I couldn't think of it. I can't think of it. I watched another few. I was like, Oh, I was like, this is going to sound ridiculous for me to write this. I think he looks like Antonio Brown. What? Okay. Only a hall of Famer first ballot guy. Yeah. But, um, yeah, he's, he is like,


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[Assistant] An unbelievable rat runner, along with the explosive athlete we talked about. Smart, tough, and then has the weapon aspect, you know. There's that too.


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[Assistant] Where the reverses and the speed sweeps and all of those type of things are all going to be into play. So you're really getting a three in one here with speed burner on the outside can run by you for a 70 yard bomb.


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[Assistant] Speed burner on the outside can run a six yard slant, catch it, run by everybody, make somebody miss for a 70 yard bomb.


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[Assistant] Slot receiver inside, got great coverage, got a two way go, he's gotta be smart, gotta read the coverage, gotta run a really, you know, detailed, intricate route. He can plant his foot in the ground and burst and accelerate out of that.


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[Assistant] Out of that break as good as anybody in this draft. He's phenomenal that way. So yeaah, I wrote


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[Assistant] It's the same thing I said the other day. When do we start, when do this become like, I want to make sure when I roll over at 55 he's still handsome in bed with me, like, doesn't matter. It's a four year rental. And then you'll figure it out. Yeah. He's not coming over to your house, he's playing football.


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[Assistant] They got a little more meat on them than even like a Chris Olavi or a Garrett Wilson. They do. Right? Who are taller than these guys are, but weigh them around the same weight. Yeah, that's a good point. So that's another part of the game that I really liked about this kid.


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[Assistant] Cause you brought up the great point, like his catch radius is not, it's not spectacular, it's not ideal for what we want on the NFL.


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[Assistant] You know, the other thing is, yeaah, he's not gonna be wide open against everybody he plays against, especially not in the NFL. And you can see when he's down the field and people are pushing on him, or the ball's in the air, and people are trying to grab him, he's got incredible play strength. Incredible.


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[Assistant] So, you know, these guys are little balls of dynamite. The balls of muscle really is what they are. And they have great, much greater strength.


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[Assistant] Then their body, you know, shape or measureables would, would, uh, you know, therefore kind of tell us.


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[Assistant] Man, that is uh, yeaah, that is ripped. See that, that's NFL big time receiver type body right there. It's just muscles on muscles on muscles. He's not worried about his calorie intake on a daily basis. I can tell you that much.


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[Assistant] Oh, yeah, right, well now he's going, damn, I'm eating Big Macs and, and french fries, and I'm not, I'm just getting powerful and faster. But yeah, you know, play's bigger than, than what, you know, what, what does measure was able to say. And then, like I told you,


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[Assistant] The explosive ability, the violence in which he runs routes, comes off the ball with, uhm, his start-stop ability, like double moves, it's as good as you're gonna see.


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[Assistant] I think he's, I would, I would think he's somewhere in between the 10 and 20 range. I don't know if that's gonna happen. This is one where, again, where I'm gonna go, if this guy's on Alabama, he's definitely gonna be a top 10 or 12 pick. Because he was in Boston College.


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[Assistant] We're gonna have some of the questions that you, we talked about and made fun of a few minutes ago where you overanalyzed. Oh, it's production. Oh, you know, this team. Oh, the quarterback. Oh, all this kind of stuff is gonna weigh into this. But for me, yes, this is the number one receiver in the draft.


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[Assistant] So this is, this is what I mean though, go rewind this if we can, just real quick, I'm sorry to do that to everybody or if you can restart it. But, you know, first off, before we even start here, I want you to watch, he's phenomenal at changing speeds, right?


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[Assistant] Kinda come off, look like he's about to like maybe slow down and make a break and then he...


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[Assistant] Flies really fast and then hits the brakes and then makes a cut and then re-accelerates. It's very hard for DBs to cover that and restart and stop and stop and so go ahead and play it, Kristen. Thank you so much.


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[Assistant] He's really crafty in his releases off the line of scrimmage. You can see how he can jam his foot in the ground and then come out and be explosive out of a break.


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[Assistant] And really never lose speed sometimes, even when he's making a 90 degree turn. Uhm, but that's the thing I like. And then, you know, you'd hear me talk about body language, knowing how to set up DBs, right? You know, body language is important. One, for the quarterback, you start to get used to, oh, I,


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[Assistant] When he does this, I know he's about to make a break or when I see him do this, I know he's about to break down and then chop his feet and come out of the break. So that's important. But that body language also goes into getting the DB to back off you a little bit. And that's where he was really good too. So, you know, it could be somebody.


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[Assistant] You know, you're the DB and I'm him and you're covering me there and you're a little on my outside shoulder. He's really good at kind of like...


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[Assistant] Oh, you want to play outside of me? Oh, keep going outside. I'm going to push you outside. Oh, now I'm going to lean my head that way and then BAM and then fly inside. And you go, well, damn, now he's open by seven yards and it's a big play. I love the kid. He's placed faster than his four, four, two speed too. That's the other thing I wrote down.


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[Assistant] I would have thought he was low four threes, mid four threes for sure with what you watch on film.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I could see that. I mean, there is some drops that show up. To me, so...


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[Assistant] His drops aren't, I can't catch the ball drops, right? There's a difference. Not all drops are created equal, as we like to say.


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[Assistant] I want to rip the ball out of the air so quickly because I'm trying to go to the house. I'm trying to break ankles. I'm trying to split these defenders. So when you watch those, they're not like,


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[Assistant] I don't look at it and go, oh, they're drops where he's focused in on the ball and just hitting them in the face, right? It's more like he's running a crossing route and he's trying to rip it and he's already looking up field. They're concentration drops.


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[Assistant] So I don't look at it as a hands problem, I look at it more as just, hey dude, chill out, watch the ball come in, you're punny, fast and explosive, you'll be able to locate that defender and still make a miss, don't worry. But that to me, there's a difference there than in, oh I saw him run seven slant routes with nobody open and it just kept dropping, you know what I mean, there's a difference in those types of things.


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[Assistant] That's funny. Yeaah, I could see that. That made you uncomfortable. Almost as much as the A word did.


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[Assistant] In the middle there, you got the Jets, the Patriots, the Packers, the Commanders, the Steelers. I don't know if any of those are looking for receivers, right? Or you're-


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[Assistant] Or your Lions. Yeah. I don't know if that's happening. I don't think so. That was basically 13 through 18. Now the Bucks at 19, they might


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[Assistant] They can be a team and they just start thinking about refreshing their receiver room a little bit. Yea. I don't think, that's not crazy there. I think that's maybe where...


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[Assistant] You know, you got the Giants at 25, the Cowboys at 26, so maybe that's realistically where we're saying we think he's gonna end up. Cause you're right, it doesn't look like in the middle part of the round there's a lot of receiver needy teams. Unless Houston, maybe at 12, maybe they want to do that? And again, that guy's told you,


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[Assistant] You know, Wada was the sixth pick of the draft. Again, I think if you put this kid on Alabama with all those team kids around him, we'd be thinking this kid is a higher regard than what he is. But yeah, I really like him.


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[Assistant] He is interesting. He really is. He's not the prototypical guy Chris Sims would usually love and make the number two guy. You know, as you know, I'm kind of a whore for speed. I like speed, speed, speed.


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[Assistant] This guy just at the pro day a few days ago at Ohio State ran 4.5 at a pro day. It's probably a 4.6. Why do you say that? I always add a tenth. Because the combine's a laser finish.


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[Assistant] It's laser, so it's more strict. It's a slower time than Johnny on the side just hitting it with his thumb, right?


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[Assistant] Listen, the speed is not blazing that way. But when you turn on the film, you go, okay, the speed's good. It's good.


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[Assistant] But what's off the charts insanity good is the guy's like quickness and route running and wiggle and his ability to break angles and all of that is like insanity. It's insanity. His ability to


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[Assistant] Come off the ball and kind of be going like 70% and then almost jump in the air.


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[Assistant] At like the six yard mark. And then you go, wait, he's jumping and I don't know if he's even about to go in or out. You can't tell. It's like Allen Iverson with an unbelievable crossover dribble, right? That's who he is. So he's got this unbelievable ability to change directions and then really accelerate in a hurry.


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[Assistant] Now, like I said, his top end speed isn't that great, but his ability to accelerate and get to that top end speed, that happens in like two steps.


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[Assistant] And then you add on a guy that's got like kind of running back legs a little bit. He's got a thickness to his legs.


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[Assistant] He breaks arm tackles, he breaks ankles, and then, as I said,


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[Assistant] You know, as a route runner, there's times where I go, oh, I wish he would separate a little bit better. I don't know if I could trust him on the outside all game long against top tier corners in football, right? I don't, I, I worry about that. But having said that, here he is, if he catches a ball over the middle for 15 yards, that same guy's covered him, he runs away from him.


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[Assistant] He's like one of these weird guys that when the ball's in his hand, he gets another gear that he doesn't have when he's just running routes. Like there's so many plays where you go, oh he's not gonna turn the corner, he can't turn the corner, holy cow.


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[Assistant] Oh, he turned the corner. Oh my gosh. He can't go to the house here. He's not going to go to the house here. They're going to catch him. Holy shit. He scored. Like there's just, it's amazing.


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[Assistant] You know, you can see him run a go-round against that same guy five plays earlier and go, he didn't run by him, he couldn't stack him, he couldn't even like pull away. You know, so that's where it's different.


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[Assistant] It's different to have this type of guy, but size, strength, route running ability, you know, yak ability, yards after catch, all that is just like top notch. And then there's, there's spots for guys like this in the NFL. You don't have to always be the outside, you know, outside type


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[Assistant] He's, I, I wrote he was, he's Jarvis Landry. That's, that's kind of the guy he reminded me coming out, where Jarvis Landry was a little that way for me too, where I was like, man, I wish he would separate a little bit running routes, but damn, when he gets the ball in his hands, watch out, right? That's how I feel, but I, honestly, to a greater version than Jarvis Landry.


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[Assistant] You know, I think he's better than Jarvis was coming out of college. Now...


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[Assistant] The issue is, and this is one where like, you know, again, I just go off the film, I know that, but he didn't pay a year because of the hamstring injury.


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[Assistant] And that's scary to me. That is really, really scary to have a wide receiver have a year long hamstring issue and you might draft them what? Top 15? Top 20? That's scary. Put yourself in the GM shoes, right? Could you risk that? That's tough. That's where the interviews come into play. That's exactly right.


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[Assistant] Really about as high level of a route runner you're gonna see in college football.


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[Assistant] You know, the things I talked about with Zay Flowers, like, he has, you know, all of that. But even, he's even slicker or craftier with it.


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[Assistant] You know, his ability to attack leverages, I already talked about the route running, but the changing of speeds, all of that.


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[Assistant] That's where he's really special. And then, even though he's not real, real fast, his, his...


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[Assistant] Suddenness, right? And, and I, you know, again, I hope I'm explaining. This is a day where I probably need to stand up to show some of this stuff. Oh no. But I'm not gonna. But his suddenness is just, again, it goes into the changing of the speeds where


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[Assistant] He can, hey, he's kind of running, but all of a sudden it's just, and he just breaks down so fast and he puts his foot in the ground and then can just come out of that break.


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[Assistant] And because of the strength he has in his legs, and creates separation there, even though in the straight part of the route he didn't separate, that's where, you know, he becomes special. And then like I said, with the ball in his hands, he's pretty amazing, but releases are phenomenal, he's strong as hell.


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[Assistant] You know, he really is, he's got incredible play strength. There's another guy just like Zay Flowers where the bumping, the pushing, he's not affected by that when you see him down the field running a post route or a deep cross or any of that.


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[Assistant] He's got a lower-cut waist, right? Like, he doesn't have real long legs. He's got more of a torso than you would see for most receivers. But that's probably the reason why he's also great at changing directions, right? So that's where he is, and this is where he's gonna live, right down the middle. You see that ball by CJ Stroud? That was nice. Uhm, yeaah. But, but, uh, you know, again, it's gonna be...


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[Assistant] Hey, ten yard in cut, you know, five yard option route.


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[Assistant] Yo, oh, he's, looks like he's running the middle of the post, middle post from the slot route. Oh, boom, he's, he turned on the brakes and ran the slot 20 yard out route. That's where he's gonna be really good, let alone, like I said, he is gonna be the king of


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[Assistant] We threw a ball seven yards over the middle and he made two guys miss and we got 14 yards. That's where he's also going to be great.


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[Assistant] Bubble screens, all of that type of stuff. He blocks in the run game. So, you know, my only concern is this hamstring thing that we talked about and lack of overall top end speed. You know, but at the same time, I think this is a guy that's primarily going to be in the slot.


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[Assistant] You know, and be that guy that comes behind the line of scrimmage and catches the ball on a bootleg, option routes, bubble screens, you know, other wide receiver screens and then he can be a weapon guy because of his size and strength and ability to make people


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he's got, he's really gonna be viewed as higher than that. It's just gonna be about the medical. He's a man.


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[Assistant] And it's the defined role in the NFL that we know is a real thing now. So it's no longer like, oh, well he can't play outside, so we lose his value. It's just like, no, he's a fucking awesome slot. It doesn't change anything for us. Just like Jalen Waddle did for the most of the year for the Dolphins and was the number six pick to the draft.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think he could be top 15-ish there. I think he's gonna, you know, NFL's gonna love his strength and his route running and it's just like I talked about his craftiness. He's a safe bet from that angle other than


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[Assistant] It's a hamstring injury and running's kind of important for a receiver. Yeah. You know, but, you know, and, and two, uh, who, who asked that question? Was that Saucini? Yeah, Saucini. Well, you know the other question he asked here? What? He had two questions in here?


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[Assistant] Off the charts. It was very good. Like you would expect it. You know, you'd watch film on him and go, man, the way his hips and the way he could plant his foot in the ground, he's gotta have the greasiest three cone drill did he ever. I mean, he bet you didn't have to break stride, this guy knowing him. And yeah, he ran a six five seven. That's like insanity.


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[Assistant] And his 20 yard shuttle are insane. His 20 yard shuttle is 393. So that shows incredible ability to stop, restart, accelerate on both of those. Three cones has a little bit more of the hip element and his hips are awesome like I talked about.


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[Assistant] That's what you want. Exactly right. Exactly right. Right. If you were, you know, if it was more like Christian Watson last year, I don't really give a shit about his three cone drill that much. When you can run like that and you have that size, you don't have to worry about being the sharpest cutter in the world.


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[Assistant] Because everybody's so scared of you running by them that they're gonna back off anyways. And then when you stop, if you got an extra step or two in there, you're still gonna be open. This guy can't afford that.


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[Assistant] You know, because there's not that speed. So he's got to be able to stop and be sharp and concise and re-accelerate and all that. And he's got it. I like him. It's just, uh, it's going to be interesting to see where he goes and where he falls in this process. We closed the book on tier one. Tier one is closed.


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[Assistant] First off, now he's different than these other two guys, right?


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[Assistant] If you're looking for route runner and guy that can do all these intricate things that way, well, then Quinton Johnson's not your guy. He's not your guy. But if you're looking for some guy to line up at the X receiver on the line of scrimmage and go, wait, we need you to be a big body.


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[Assistant] Down the field presence for us, play after play after play, then Quinton Johnson's your guy. That, that's who we're, we're talking T Higgins-ish here, right? It's that kind of guy.


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[Assistant] T. Higgins-ish with I think more explosive ability than T. Higgins had coming out.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure if I see the total route running potential that I saw with T Higgins, but what this guy has is he can catch the six yard shallow cross and run 80 yards for a touchdown, right? He can, you know, T Higgins could run by you, but this guy can like really run by you to where you can go, whoa, you bumped this guy.


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[Assistant] He gets off the line, it's, see you later, strike up the band, it's gonna be a 70 yard bomb, right? And then his ability, like the catch radius stuff you talked about, his ability to jump, it's a 40 and a half inch vertical. Plus he's 6'3", and his arms look like they're ridiculously long.


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[Assistant] So, with all of that, yes, that's why I'm gonna say he's the number three. He's a Drake London-ish from last year, except he doesn't have the route running Drake London as he has more of the straight speed that we didn't see from Drake London.


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[Assistant] Right, but that body type, that's what I was trying to say with that comment right there. Um, so there's some work to be done. You know, the route running's not exactly how you'd like it, right? It's a limited route tree.


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[Assistant] Like the most intricate in-cut I've ever seen in my life. No, his game is going to be more predicated on what we talked about before, right? Run a go route, jump balls. Oh, you're covered. I'm going to throw you a back shoulder ball. Oh, they're so scared of you running the go route. Now you run a slant route.


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[Assistant] You catch it, you run, you break a tackle, you run for a 70 yard touchdown. That's what he is. He's different than the other two guys we've talked about in that way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, hey, you know, again, it's, it's, I wouldn't read too, too into that. They had some other good receivers. They spread the ball around. He was, like I said, he lines up pretty much in one place the whole time.


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[Assistant] You know, the NFL, you know how it is with these guys, they'll know how to use them more specifically to what makes sense for them and get the most out of them. You know, TCU?


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[Assistant] They, yeaah, they're in the shotgun a lot, but the offense is pretty basic. It's not like you sit there and go, whoa, this is cool play. You just go over there in the shotgun. But this is a basic play. They're just in the shotgun. And they make you think, oh, whoa, this is spread. Watch out.


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[Assistant] That's all there. Cause you get to see plenty of jump up at the 50 yard line or at the 45 yard line. It's not in the end zone. And him moss people or go get balls where you go, holy shit. Look at him go up and get that one. Right? So that's where I really like him.


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[Assistant] He caught that shallow cross, right? And he kinda like did the old okie doke where he kinda like slowed up for a second and the guy was like, oh, he's gonna cut back. And then he went, nope, I'm gonna hit the gas burners again. And he went up the sideline and nobody even came close to him.


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[Assistant] He is, and that's where, you know, like I said, you don't see a lot of the route variety, you know, it's hard to get a real feel for how he is in that department. So you gotta kinda piece it together, like we talked about earlier in this, you know.


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[Assistant] Going back to the T. Higgins things, right? He shows the ability to change direction with the ball in his hands. See, those are the little things I glean into a little bit to go, oh wait, he'll be able to run a route. He made that guy miss there. He can do that, right? And then he has better feet, quickness, suddenness than most people with his size over the years.


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[Assistant] You know, those taller, longer guys, the Kelvin Benjamins of the world, all that kind of guy, right? He's got a little bit more of an explosive element to him than the normal...


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[Assistant] T Higgins guy or whatever. It's even more than T Higgins who I love. And then the other thing too is, you know,


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[Assistant] One on one coverage, you know he's gonna be a handful. Uhm, even when he's covered, you don't care.


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[Assistant] And then he, whoa, pass interferences. That's the other thing that you notice when you watch him. He draws a lot of pass interferences because he, if he gets by you at clean at the line of scrimmage, he's gone. So people hold. Or of course the 50-50 jump balls, he's so big that DBs are like, shit, I can't get in there and get close to the ball. So they end up grabbing them and tackling them. So he's a kind of a magnet for that as well.


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[Assistant] You know, Kevin White, uhm, it's a good one. I think there's a little bit more into this player than Kevin White. You know, Kevin White


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[Assistant] I don't think can run routes quite that same way and did not have the same physical presence this guy did as far as jump balls, uh, and being able to use his body that way. Kevin White was a little bit of like,


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[Assistant] He's tall as hell, but when you turned on the film, you were like, oh, he doesn't really play that fast and he doesn't really use his size all that good. This is all just


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[Assistant] Potential and combine related. You can see it on the film with this guy.


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[Assistant] You know, I get to see plenty of that. So, you know, uh, I don't have that same concern. I, you know, Kevin White was the same year Omari Cooper came out, and I was like, this isn't even close. I don't understand that. Anybody that listened to me in my Bleacher Report days knows I said that. Uhm, but yeaah, and I also think this is just a bigger human being.


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[Assistant] Well, Michael Wilson from Stanford. Okay. Okay. And yes, I think that this name, if you're just getting into the draft process, is gonna, you're gonna go, who or what or, you know, whoa, I haven't heard his name that high. Uh, I think if you've already dove, dove into some film and


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[Assistant] You know, have seen the receivers a little bit, you're gonna go, well, I'm not shocked to hear him say this. Just like you.


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[Assistant] The myth and jigba thing, right? A little, it's just so, like if you watch film itself, you go, there's no doubt this is one of the three or four best receivers in the draft. There's no doubt. There's nothing he doesn't do that's top notch. The one thing you can look at him and go, oh, that might be Nate. He ran a four, five, eight in the combine at the 40. He plays way faster than that. Way faster than that. I mean, I didn't see anybody that he couldn't run by.


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[Assistant] You know, so, you know, there's that. But then I think with the element you're talking about too, one is body.


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[Assistant] Right? He's got like one of those bodies where you go, damn, I don't know what he is, but he just looks good. Right? It's just, it's, it's, it's unbelievable legs. He's got pretty rocked up arms. And then you watch and you go, whoa, the explosive ability. Like I just talked about to run. And then you go, whoa.


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[Assistant] Dude can cut on a dime, right? I mean, that's the thing that when I first, that first started to watch, I was just like, holy crap, like,


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[Assistant] You know, again, I use the word violence and the cuts and see that's to me what Zay Flowers and Jigba and this kid had.


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[Assistant] Was, they just, it's like, I'm going into this break and I'm gonna break my damn leg. I'm gonna plant it so hard in the ground and I'm gonna break the other one cause I'm gonna come out of the break so hard and try to run so fast. I know I'm not, I'm being silly, but you know what I'm trying to say.


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[Assistant] Where there's just a real aggression. And then all the other things we talked about with route running as far as body language, understanding how to set people up, changing speeds, all of that, they were all great. But the physical specimen's real, let alone


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[Assistant] The refined things you like to see in a receiver are real too, and he can be another guy that can be inside or outside, I think, because he's got the pure size and strength and speed to beat you outside, but it has the route running, and it looks like the smarts to be that slot guy that, you know,


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[Assistant] He's a first round receiver. There's no doubt about that. But yeah, those are some, those are some tough injuries when yeah, your ass is on the line and you're going, wait, I need a receiver that can help me right now. And hopefully the next three to four years, wait, am I going to take the guy who's missed some time?


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[Assistant] In each of the last three years, that's a hard thing to do. You know, but yeaah, he's uhm, love his body.


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[Assistant] And, you know, even with the 458 speed, a little bit like in Jackson Smith and Jigba, where I go first off his speed looks faster than this, as you heard me say.


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[Assistant] Exactly. And that's a big deal to me. The split.


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[Assistant] You know, cause that makes up for maybe not having the top end speed. The other thing too, the split is like, it's his ability to come out of a break, right? It's that acceleration again. Okay, he chopped down. Now he's at a break. Okay. Well, he can get out of the, get out of the box, get out of the hole when he wants to really turn it on.


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[Assistant] And that's where he's really good. That's where I wrote, you know, one, he plays faster than that four, five, eight, but also because of the great acceleration and the great releases.


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[Assistant] You know, that lack of, oh, I wish he was a hair, hair faster. It doesn't matter, but I can't even say, Ahmed.


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[Assistant] Smith and Jigba, I had some plays where I went, oh, I wish he was a little faster. I never said that with this kid. I never was like, if you ta- if I didn't know his 40 time before I watched Film of the Gun, he runs 4-4-4, 4-4-5.


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[Assistant] The way he runs, that's what I would have thought. You know, he has no problem stacking receivers. He gets off the line of scrimmage. He gets on top of, not receivers, sorry, the DB to where they're stuck behind him. And now he's in the position of power. He's really good in stuff like that. He has strong hands. You know, he's another guy that's not affected by people.


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[Assistant] Pushing him and bumping him when he's down the field. So, you know, he's just, uh, he's got it all and he's got the weapon element as well to go along with that. So, that's the big thing. I wrote down 35 to 55.


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[Assistant] As far as where he's drafted. His talent's better than that.


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[Assistant] I'm writing that because I think the injuries, yeaah, he'll be somewhere in the second round because of the injury history.


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[Assistant] It's pedal to the metal. Every play, all play long. That's what you like about it. That's where I always get into the violence, the aggression, all of that. You know, sticking the foot in the ground. Also too, I mean, unbelievable catching the ball, getting right up the field.


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[Assistant] That's another thing you see that's got great value in NFL. It's like Smith and Jigba too is that way, where yea, you know, again.


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[Assistant] It's, it's first and 10 and they caught a four yard pass and you're in first and 10 again, even though it was just a four yard pass because their ability to catch it, turn up field and accelerate so quick. You go, damn, they're always going to keep you in a good manageable situation because they never lose yards. And then this kid too, he ain't afraid to put his head down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, be interested to see where he ends up, you know, falling.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we have some guys here. Because that's where I do, I do love, like, as I said, the draft. I think there's gonna be some...


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[Assistant] Third, fourth, fifth rounders where we could be sitting here three, four years now going, damn, they're one of the better receivers in football. How do we miss it? And I'd go, I didn't miss it. I saw it. There just wasn't that elite trait, but man, there was like,


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[Assistant] Five other things you did that are really good, just maybe not elite, that I didn't want to put them in this top part of the class, alright? So, here we go, tier three, your number


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[Assistant] It looked faster than that to me on film. I don't know. You know, and I, I know he was disappointed with this 40 time of the combine. He told me he was, he thought he could be, he could go four, three flat.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe 429. He's got that kind of speed when you watch him on film. You go, ooh, he might run 431 or 429. You know, so I'm, I'm sure he was a little disappointed here, but this is a, this is a track star, straight liner, Deshaun Jackson, Will Fuller-ish type of receiver, right?


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[Assistant] Alright, so there's gonna be things about him that you love, there's gonna be some things about him that, you know, I'm not crazy about.


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[Assistant] He's not a great route runner. He's not shown that ability. One, not only does he not do it and like they don't have a great route tree there at Tennessee as far as a lot of differences, but two, I truly question whether he can do it, unlike the other guys where I try to piece things together, right?


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[Assistant] Jalen Haya, you can watch a bunch of catches and he never makes anybody miss. That's not his game. It's never break somebody's ankles or he shook that guy out of his cleats and then got extra yards. Now, if there's a seam straight away, watch out. Cause there's three rockets up his ass and he's gonna run by it. And that's where he's really, really valuable.


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[Assistant] He's not gonna catch a 10 yard in cut and break tackles and then break somebody's ankles and then re-accelerate and run for a 50 yard touchdown. That's not his game.


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[Assistant] He gets a free release or gets off the line of scrimmage the right way and you got a safety that doesn't get back instantly? See ya. He is going to run over the top and it's going to be a 60 yard post for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] So that's where he's special. And again, it's not gonna be everybody's cup of tea like we talk about. This is gonna be for the team that goes, wait, we got a route runner, we got a size guy, I need a guy that can now, you know, be a dangerous home run hitter type of guy.


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[Assistant] A Marquez Valdez scantling type of guy that way too, right? And that's where Jalen Hyatt comes into play.


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[Assistant] Kate Manning. No. I thought only Joe Burrow smokes to guys.


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[Assistant] Alright, alright. I actually, the funny thing about cigars, my grandfather


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[Assistant] He had to stop smoking cigars, right? Not, not mine. This is my father-in-law. I shouldn't say my grandfather. Okay. What am I talking about?


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[Assistant] I don't, first off, most people would puke and be green. It's tobacco, it's not like meant to be inhaled, but he was doing it.


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[Assistant] Definitely. That's the good thing is, you know what you're getting here with this guy. You know, there's some work that has to be done with, you know, some route running and things like that. You know, there's also, uhm, you know, how you heard me talk about with some of these other guys, their ability to play, you know, their play strength.


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[Assistant] If people are bumping them when they're down the field, if people are bumping them while the ball's in the air, do they get thrown off their route?


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[Assistant] You know, can they not adjust to the ball now that somebody's nudged them a little bit, right? He's got some issues there. He's not like the other four guys we talked about who have no issues in that department. You know, so that's the other thing. You got to piece together.


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[Assistant] Uh, releases, again, he's in a spot a lot of the times where he gets to be not challenged coming off the line of scrimmage. So you don't get to see that a ton either.


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[Assistant] You know, so there's some things there that worry me, but at the end of the day, you know, you can't teach speed.


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[Assistant] And, you know, he does have quick feet and he can stick his foot in the ground. He's just not going to be able to do this stuff and wiggle and, and like make you think, oh, he's about to go right. Oh, but he planted his foot in the ground and went left, right? It's a little bit more of this like.


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[Assistant] That's straight, chop my feet, turn to the left. Now I go straight again, right? Then I can do it quick and fast.


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[Assistant] You know, it's not to the level of a Zay Flowers or a Smith and Jigba or a man Wilson from Stanford where you just go, man, that's unbelievable body movement, body language, playing with the DB's mind and all that. His playing with the mind is just like, you better backpedal or I'm running by you in a hurry.


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[Assistant] That's, that's, it is, you don't get to see it. And it does worry me a little. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it just, he's always got a free release. Now, he's gonna be putting those positions in the NFL. That, that's, you know, again, that's what he's gonna be used for. You're right. I mean, it's a great question and a great observation by you, Jake Scanlon, all of it. It is.


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[Assistant] You said it right too, the NFL, they know how to hide these guys now and not let them be in those situations too many times, right? And yeah, there's some things that, you know, I'm a little concerned about or wish he was better at.


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[Assistant] But again, this is a trait and an elite trait that like you talked about too, you get to see it against other guys that are covering who also have elite traits and you go, damn, he runs by them at an elite level.


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[Assistant] And that's where you go, well, alright, I'll take, I'll take that and realize that there's some issues in the other department, but we'll, we'll try to work on them and get better. But we know what he is and that's, that's what he is. And that's where, you know, like I said, Will Fuller, Darius Slayton, the Giants, that type of guy, right? Um, frail frame.


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[Assistant] You know, frailer than Olave and Garrett Wilson from last year and certainly not the hip, I mean, not the route runner those guys was. So that's where, yea, he'll have to be protected a little bit in that department when he first gets in the league.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is. It is. And so, you know, that's what you're getting there.


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[Assistant] This is a guy that's gonna be drafted by a team that goes, wait, we need a speed guy. We need a guy that can run an 80 yard post and bomb somebody and, and, and, uh,


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[Assistant] That's what he is and we got the other guys to do the other stuff. But there is great value in that. And yeaah, that's what I expected to see him be doing at least next year on Sundays.


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[Assistant] I don't know. It's like we don't count some other people's categories. We're like, ah, well screw that category for that guy. We're not gonna


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[Assistant] I mean, hopefully you're learning some football and something about hexagons and all that as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, listen, he does a lot of good things. You know, he does. I do like Jordan Addison. I think, you know, if I were to really break it down, one...


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[Assistant] He's good route runner. You know, he can do some of the things we didn't talk about with Jalen Hyatt.


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[Assistant] At the same time, you know, size and overall just straight explosion is a little bit of an issue for me there. I mean, he's a 170 pound guy, right? And he ran 4.49 and to me it looked like he was slower than that, really. 4.49 was like the best he could do.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he definitely was a more advanced route runner, I said that, than like a Jalen Hyatt for sure. Right? Uh, good well-rounded receiver.


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[Assistant] But I just did not think overall there was enough speed or explosiveness to justify a first round great or a top five, you know, uh, you know, ranking in this, right? You know, I wrote, I'm not sure there's anything special or elite that pops out about his game. You know, he's not great at contact.


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[Assistant] Running routes or Yak at the line, uh, not great through contact as far as running routes or Yak or, you know, at the line of scrimmage. So what I was saying there is, you know.


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[Assistant] I had a lot of catches where you go, uh oh, watch out, he's got space, there's about to be a big play and nothing ever happens, right? So that to me was the reason why I really think he's someone that's late second, probably third round.


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[Assistant] You know, not to say he can't be a good NFL. This is what I mean. There's a lot of these guys in there. Where there's no elite trait, but this guy can run some rounds and he knows how to play and he's gonna make a name for himself and be a good NFL player. He's just not gonna get drafted in the top 35 picks of the draft.


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[Assistant] Well, there is a lot, and he's right with the AJ Brown comparison. It's that type of body, okay? A guy that's 6'2", 220, ran 4'46", had a 39.5 inch vertical. His speed is not 4'46". It's not AJ Brown when you watch him on film.


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[Assistant] AJ Brown was one of those where you're like, oh, he did this at Combine, but woah. I turn on the film, he looks...


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[Assistant] Faster than the Combine, and woah, he's making people miss a lot here.


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[Assistant] Right? So, this is what I wrote about him. You know, uh, he's got a unique body. There's nobody like him with the body and the draft.


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[Assistant] As far as just like, you're just like, whoa, this guy's a man. Legs, arms, shoulders, neck. Like it looks like he can run you over, right? It looks like a running back in the NFL. That's what he looks like. Um, he's got that AJ Brown, Debo Samuel type of, type of body, strong as hell, you know, as a blocker or a route runner. Um, uh, and he's not going to be easy to tackle. That's what I wrote.