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[Assistant] Speaking of giving guys the rest of the season off. Brenton, I'll start with you because you love paying people not to work. Matt Ryan? Ironic, yes. Uh, Matt Ryan. What should we do with him?


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[Assistant] Let me put it to you this way. Who gives the Colts the best chance to win? Because Matt Ryan is not good.


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[Assistant] Like I said, I think they'll make an exception to hire that guy.


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[Assistant] Why don't you just wait until the end of the year and do, hire them then? Like why is that, why do you need this?


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[Assistant] But Jim Mercy doesn't care. He made that clear in the press conference, number one. Number two, he's hired black coaches and has success. It's not the issue that he won't hire black people.


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[Assistant] If he wants Jeff Saturday, it's his team. He can do what he wants to do. Just, you know, do what every other team does. You interview a personal caller and then you hire who you want to hire.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this about Jeff Saturday, because there's no more to talk about with this dealer, so I'm actually curious. You know how Prisco says all the time...


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[Assistant] But you know, Prisco says all the time, I could be the general manager, I could be the head coach. And you know, everyone says that when they watch the game and see someone do something idiotic.


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[Assistant] Uh, Breach, I'll ask you first, is there any sort of explanation that when Jeff Saturday, who, you know, seems like a smart guy and he was good on ESPN, get up and all the other shows he was on,


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[Assistant] Is the moment too big once you get on the field and suddenly you become a moron? Or is it the fact that coaching's hard? Like why is he making mistakes that he probably wouldn't make if he were talking about this as a Monday morning quarterback?


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[Assistant] Probably Eggman was so incredibly frustrated with the way the receivers are falling down and catching passes. And typically he's pretty even keel and he's like, what is going on?


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[Assistant] You know what had just occurred to me, and I never watched the manning cast cause I'm paying attention, but you watched the manning cast. Imagine if Peyton had to talk about Jeff Saturday, not doing the things that he didn't do within this football game. Cause that could have gotten awkward.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So anyway, that, that's a, uh, a learning, what's it called, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, how about that? Uhm, what's it called? A learning moment? I think it's.


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[Assistant] Oh, or, I thought you meant the playoffs. So the Steelers now have the 12th pick, they've fallen down a few spots, and the Colts... What are the Colts? Did they trade it? No, they had the 14th pick, excuse me.


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[Assistant] So, uh, and also, as you pointed out today earlier, Brenton, Olafashon, who the left tackle, uh, Penn State, who's the best left tackle in the strike class is coming back to school. He's not yet 20 years old. So that's a problem for both these teams because they can use offensive linemen. So the next man up, um, in terms of their,


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[Assistant] Uh, big board if you will, but as I said earlier, I want the Steelers to be in position to get Jalen Carter or Will Anderson and they are a long ways off.


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[Assistant] No, there's nothing else. I mean, Breach has zero concerns. Well, the Steelers don't play the, they've already played the Bengals, so they're done there. Do they play the Colts at all, Breach?


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[Assistant] The only chance Matt Ryan has if he comes out there in a big helmet. I mean, that will be his only, a big hat with a face mask on it.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, when he started talking about sausage, I got hungry.


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[Assistant] What, but what other job would you do? Imagine like you get on a plane and they're like, yeah, this pilot doesn't actually have any experience, but I'm happy about that. He's not afraid of crashing.


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[Assistant] I'm guessing he calls Payton three times a day. Uh, can you come coach your team calls Andrew walk four times a day. Hey man, can you come back?


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[Assistant] Five million dollars on random autographed guitars on auctions every weekend. So it's not like...


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[Assistant] If that is a reason to worry, that's when you're worrying, but I don't think, you know,


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[Assistant] There's nothing they could have done as far as a higher goes to make you feel like, oh, this seems going to turn around and make it the playoffs. But it is a little weird that, look.


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[Assistant] The Colts are in second place in their division. Their season isn't over. This isn't your normal firing. So you would think, hey, we could bring somebody qualified in and you know, maybe Jeff Saturday ends up being a great coach, but if you're still in it and the Colts are more in it than any team that's ever fired a coach, uh, in the NFL and they still have a shot and they bring you guys.


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[Assistant] We did, no, I'm just, yes, we all agree the Titans are the best team in that division. I'm just saying that Coulter in second place, and maybe...


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[Assistant] You know what, how about 0.9%, that's what I said.


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[Assistant] Well, and that's the other thing about this, you know, besides obviously the minority-hidering part and Ursage is doing whatever the hell he wants.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to get Jeff Saturday in there, but how do you feel if you're Gus Bradley or John Fox, a former head coach, Reggie Wayne, who's a former Colts legend with more experience than Jeff Saturday. And now you're taking orders from a guy who was coaching high school football last week. You know, that, how's the coaching staff gonna feel about that?


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[Assistant] They literally play a game. They're going to wake up tomorrow morning with a game in five days and the play caller has never called plays before.


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[Assistant] And like, you have, the Colts have a backup quarterback, they just fired their coach, they have an interim coach, they don't have an offensive coordinator, they're in total disarray. If, if, if the Raiders cannot beat this team, then the Raiders might not win any more games and you just get rid of Mcdales now. Hey, Breeze, what, let's, let's say that,


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[Assistant] What if Mike Brown called my dad? Yea, what if he called Jim Breach? Same amount, almost the same amount of NFL experience as Jeff Saturday.


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[Assistant] It was 6 points when I was putting together my picks about 3 hours ago. Raiders favored by 6 in Las Vegas.


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[Assistant] Jeff's Saturday Hiring didn't, uh, shock the books into, uh, moving spread.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jamus would have thrown three interceptions instead of one and the game would have been over by halftime.


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[Assistant] That was Andy Dalton's 10th loss to the Baltimore Ravens. That is the most losses by one quarterback against the Ravens in NFL history.


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[Assistant] It's 60 something. Might be 60, 64? He cheated once again. It's 64.


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[Assistant] Well, I couldn't remember if it was 60 or 64. I knew it was one of the two. Ah, shut up.


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[Assistant] Uh, they also lost to the New York football giants.


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[Assistant] And you know what's crazy though is that I don't think they're gonna blow any double digit leads. The defense looks so much better tonight and it was just something as simple as adding Roquan Smith. They're getting healthy and that was the other thing.


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[Assistant] Well right, but they absolutely shut down Alvin Kamara who had no room to run. He had, you know, like two nice runs in the entire game.


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[Assistant] And that was it though. I mean, they really shut down the Saints. And yeah, I mean, that's the thing you can say is, is just primetime Andy Dalton. So we don't know for sure that this event actually improved, but it really felt like they did.


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[Assistant] No, that's what, cause Wilson said he thinks I'm right. We never thought to say that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, wait, who was Brinton's fifth? Uhm, Titans. The Titans?


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[Assistant] What was your top 5, Breech? That's absurd. Uh, well, the Bills thing is really kind of-


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[Assistant] What are your top five teams? Well, it's, I'm just saying if he's out for a few weeks. What are your top five teams? I mean. That changes. Alright, what about your grandma? Alright, here is my top five. It is


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[Assistant] I will say though, as the official bangles homer of the podcast, that I think the Ravens not only win the AFC North, but they win it by at least two games.


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[Assistant] Uh, I just think the Ravens look good. I think they have a much friendlier schedule. Uh, you talked about that buy coming out of the buy. They get Carolina, Jacksonville and Denver. That's just.


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[Assistant] That's now five games right there. Plus I have the Falcons and the Browns.


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[Assistant] They might not play a team that has a winning record until- And the Bengals are, uh, haven't won a division game yet.


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[Assistant] But I mean, also, you look at the bills. The bills are 0 and 2 in the division, 6 and 0 against everyone else.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would say, I mean, the Colts are .9%. I would put the Saints at like 12%. I think there is. Saints are actually 13%.


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[Assistant] Oh, well done. 10% to make the division, to win the division. Took the wins over Wilson math model and used it in my head right on the spot.


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[Assistant] And guess what, uh, one quick note on the South is that the Atlanta Falcons have the second easiest schedule based on current win-loss record, uh, and the Ravens have the easiest remaining schedule.


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[Assistant] The Falcons only have one game left against a team that has a winning record. The other six games all against teams with losing records.


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[Assistant] Can the Falcons get to 9? They have the Panthers, the Steelers, the Saints, the Cardinals, the Commanders, the Bears.


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[Assistant] And you know, this is Brenton, Brian J's comment here that just came up because this is the kind of point you were trying to make last night is that the Bucs in the playoffs with the losing record would be favored against most teams. Uh, that's Brian J's comment and Brenton, that's kind of what you were saying last night. If you put Tom Brady in the playoffs and with his experience, there's no reason you can't win a few games.


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[Assistant] They play the 5th seed, so you're probably looking at obviously a 2nd place team. Right now that would be the Cowboys. Right. If the season ended today. You don't think the Buccaneers could, or the Giants are also 6-2, so it could be.


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[Assistant] Let's say it's Buccaneers Giants. Are you betting on Tom Brady or are you betting on Daniel Jones?


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[Assistant] Yeah, your adjusted wind tunnel is four and a half. That's not great. But you're two in one, the division.


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[Assistant] It was crazy how frustrated he got on, you know, when Tom Brady yells at his guys like that, it's on the sideline when they're sitting down. Third freaking time.


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[Assistant] And when you are in your own three double digit lead, everybody's kind of playing puckered up, like, here we go again, don't do this.


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[Assistant] I guess that qualifies whether it's the day before the day of whatever. Happy Thanksgiving to you, Tyler Sullivan. Okay. Sully, what's up buddy? How you doing?


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[Assistant] So we recorded the best bet show on Tuesday, like an hour before we recorded this show. And it's like, those lines are going to move a lot. And, um, we were all very confused.


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[Assistant] But when you spend 11 weeks going through the NFL, the routine of the NFL schedule, the week of Thanksgiving comes as a major shock to the system because you're just like, you're like Monday recap.


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[Assistant] Tuesday, Wednesday, plotting out this. And then all of a sudden it's like, Oh wait, no, I have to drive all day Wednesday.


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[Assistant] And like Thursday, look, I love Thanksgiving football.


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[Assistant] And I think I wrote the story. I remember him sleeping while I'm like banging out a story on like on my hotspot. Uh, when in Damocles who stomped on, uh, was it Josh sitting, uh, when in Damocles too on Thanksgiving day, like stomped at the famous stomp, um,


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I mean, it was like, this is back when it was like hard to get Wi-Fi. Like they didn't have, my grandparents didn't even have Wi-Fi at their house and nobody ever got it, frankly. Um, anyway, Thanksgiving football the best, but when you have to work, it does make it a little less, uh, like my, you know, Thanksgiving, everybody's pounding.


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[Assistant] That slammed being the key, the key phrase here. Just a little slammed. Anyway, uh, Sully and I are gonna pick, make picks, so.


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[Assistant] The best bet show will be in the feed. Of course it will not feature the three Thanksgiving games. It will feature all the other games. This will be the picks for the Thanksgiving week.


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[Assistant] And if you have any thoughts, like I mean, I know I'll play, you know, we're not going to do DFS previews, but if you've got any thoughts on like sleepers or like props or anything like that, feel free to throw them out. I don't think there's a ton out there yet. Like I couldn't even find, um, I saw that.


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[Assistant] Oh, Josh Allen, if you can find overpassing yards, go ahead and take. She's nevermind. It's up to $279. Okay, that's $264. Still thinking probably.


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[Assistant] Wouldn't be shocked if that got taken over. But anyway, uh, point of things, if you like, he props for for the tosses out, but we will make picks for these games. So we start in Detroit where the Buffalo Bills are playing their second consecutive game.


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[Assistant] Uh, this time is the away team after being the home team in Detroit, uh, last week with that game, the game between the Browns and the, uh, bills moved because of snow. The Buffalo obviously handled the Browns pretty easily in Buffalo. I believe they went in Detroit. They went back to Buffalo, which doesn't make sense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're pretty close to each other. So I guess I kind of get that, but I'm with you. I would just stay in Detroit and cause you play on Sunday. Here's what Sunday at once you're back by Sunday night.


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[Assistant] Whether you're still traveling on Wednesday, I would assume, for a new 1230 game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If I had trouble getting out of town because of snow, I'm staying in Detroit. Uh, Detroit actually down to nine and a half. I believe this is 10 and a half.


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[Assistant] On Monday afternoon. So Detroit's catching a little steam here. The lions plus nine and a half at home on Thanksgiving. They won three straight games for the first time since 2017. A total here of 54 selling. Any thoughts on this game?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's just a lot of, ugh, it's a lot of points.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's a lot of like, there's a lot of places I would feel more comfortable catching nine and a half with the Lions and, uh, Josh Allen inside, just looking at, um,


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[Assistant] You know, the Lions have moved up to like 25th, I think, in DVOA in terms of defense. Yeah, not, yeah, there's still 32nd in the NFL in terms of points allowed.


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[Assistant] But you know, you go back and, and, and, you know, you look at their.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, you look at their last few weeks and like you said, you know, 18 points allowed to the Giants.


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[Assistant] 30 points a lot of the Bears, 9 points a lot of the Packers.


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[Assistant] I mean, they've been better since the buy and they've definitely been better the last three weeks, but, um, I, I'm not.


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[Assistant] I don't know, man. This is a, it's just a tough one. Like 10, I feel like 10 and a half. I would have liked the lions. Yeah. Nine.


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[Assistant] I start to lean towards Buffal a little bit. I'm sort of a sucker there for Detroit's, uh, for the Lions, and uhm, I'm gonna take the Lions. I'm gonna end up betting the Lions.


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[Assistant] Cause I'm a sucker for the Lions. I don't think you want to mess around with them in a teaser. Like even then like Buffalo could just Buffalo could win this game by 20 point 21 points easily. It wouldn't shock me. I think I would probably lean towards the over.


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[Assistant] In this spot in terms of the total, I know that's the probably the donkey thing to do at 54. Um, it's a lot of points, but man, like.


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[Assistant] I just, I just think that you could see Buffalo light it up in terms of, um,


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[Assistant] You know, just coming out, coming out there and feeling comfortable having played well in that, in that, in that stadium. Going up against the defense is playing well, but not, is it might not still be elite and just, and just popping off again, like.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen in these, I want to say, I mean, Josh Allen in primetime is usually really, really good. I feel like actually, you know what? I'm not going to take the lines. I take that back.


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[Assistant] Cause I remember, remember when he slaughtered the Cowboys on Thanksgiving day? I think this is a Josh Allen nuclear eruption spot.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And let's not forget. I mean, like we said at the beginning of the year, the media members want to, they want Josh Allen to win.


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[Assistant] To the MVP, like they would prefer that over, I mean, like maybe five of my homes, I think everybody loves my homes. Um, but I think, I think you, I think you have a situation where, um,


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[Assistant] Media members would, would, would like that. You know what I mean? Like, I think, I don't know, I just think they, uhm,


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[Assistant] The idea of Josh Allen as the MVP strikes people as, let me try to find what that, uhm.


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[Assistant] Thanksgiving game against the Cowboys. Was it 2020? Was it 2020? Did he play on Thanksgiving in 2020? I don't remember. 2020 is such a blur. I think it was 2019.


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[Assistant] Yeah. All right. So I mean, they beat the Cowboys 26-15.


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[Assistant] And the Cowboys scored a garbage time touchdown with four minutes to go. So it really wasn't even that close. It was an absolutely dominant effort. Uhm, if I hear that Jason Witten caught the first touchdown of that game, by the way, which is something else. Uhm, that's how old, that's how long it was.


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[Assistant] Alan, 19 to 24 for 231 yards and a touchdown, 10 carries for 43 yards and a touchdown. You would think that there'll be a little bit more careful with him in this spot.


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[Assistant] Given his, you know, um, just given his, his elbow injury. I don't know why I touched my shoulder. I given his, you know, his elbow injury and, and, and where they're at. Um, but I wouldn't be surprised if they use some, some runs in here. I kind of like there's an alternate, um, team total over for the bills that you can mess around the slider. Their team total is 32 and a half. You slide it down to 31 and minus 137.


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[Assistant] I think Detroit will be able to score enough to keep up with, to force Buffalo to keep scoring.


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[Assistant] The bill started the year with two prime time games, 31-10 winning at the Rams and a 41-7 win against the Titans. I feel like I'm, I'm just not, I am not fading Josh Allen in a prime time spot.


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[Assistant] Real quickly, let's try to see what the first touchdown score was, but we still don't have any good odds on that. Uhm, uh, gross. Yeah, there's nothing good on here. Moving along. There's just nothing good on here.


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[Assistant] You take Kalief Raymond at 12 to 1? Get a grip, guys. What are we doing?


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[Assistant] Uh, Stephon Diggs minus 127 or Devin Singletary. Devin Singletary minus 111 to score a touchdown.


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[Assistant] I like that a lot. Jamal Williams also plus 106 to score a touchdown.


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[Assistant] Of course, you know, Buffalo, I mean, you know, Buffalo's defense is stout. Uh, but you, Jamal Williams has become basically the lead back there and Devon Singletary.


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[Assistant] Uh, looking at his last few games, 18 carries for 86 yards and a touchdown and 13 carries for 47 yards and two touchdowns on the ground, uh, in the last two weeks, they've really cranked up his carries since the start of the season over his last five games. Um, he is averaging 14 carries and 62 yards per game.


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[Assistant] Um, averaging 0.6 touchdowns in those games too. I like Singletary Touchdown, Anytime Touchdown.


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[Assistant] Yeah, of course. I'll look it up. James Cook, plus 225 to score a touchdown.


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[Assistant] You know, they're going to rotate and cook a lot because they don't want to look, you can see it. It's, it's, it's the analytics. You see it with a lot of teams. They don't want that. They don't want Singletary to be above 20 carries. I think they feel like he's most effective in that, uh, mid-teens range. So that's a pretty good look, uh, there.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't touch Gabe Davis touchdown, that's not very good, but I mean I think digs and Singletary and Jamal Williams are pretty good looks at any time touchdowns. Uhm, player props really quickly.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't mind the over Josh Allen, 279 passing yards.


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[Assistant] It's just shot up by 15 yards in the last like 24 hours. I think the established run guys gave it out as a, uh, as well as one of their prop bets, which usually causes a lot of steam in that arena. Uhm, alright, let's move on to the next game.


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[Assistant] I would take, so I mean, anyway, on this game, I'm gonna, let's, uh, let's make sure we have.


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[Assistant] Just a list of bets each so we can come back and be accountable for ourselves. I'm going to take Buffalo minus nine and a half.


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[Assistant] Uh, so we're both on Buffalo minus nine and a half. I'm on, um, Singletary and Jamal Williams and Stefan Diggs touchdowns.


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[Assistant] I got, I got, I got a spicy little parlay for the, for anyone who's watching this live.


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[Assistant] Or listening to this podcast if we finish it and it gets posted before two o'clock, which seems unlikely. France in the World Cup. It starts at two p.m.


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[Assistant] They're a two, they're, they're, they're minus two against Australia, minus 500 of the Moneyline. France, the Bills, and the Cowboys. Moneyline parlay. It's minus 120.


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[Assistant] I guess. Sure. Excuse me about Caesars, it's, uh, football, football, football, football.


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[Assistant] So you get France at two o'clock. Obviously if you lose France, it's over, but, um, you get France and then you're thinking, and then you got a little action on the first two games and you don't have to worry about that spread. I'm putting that in right now. If you're watching live, hope you, if you can jump on it too.


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[Assistant] Uhm, really chalk, a lot of road, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of bizarre chalk there, but that's okay. I think that's a pretty good look in terms of that parlay. Uhm, sorry, go ahead. As you were saying about the cow, but yeah, I agree with you. I think, I think, I think, I think cowboys are going to destroy them.


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[Assistant] It's, did this line open at night? How much has this moved?


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[Assistant] I mean a total of 45, like contrast the lions and the bills versus the cowboys and the giants. You have a, you have a nine and a half point road favorite with a total of 54.


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[Assistant] Open 7 already moved all the way up to nine. I mean, that's people are betting the Cowboys and you then, and this is, and it's only Tuesday when we're recording this Tuesday afternoon. Like the Cowboys are going to keep it like this. There is no more square time to hammer a heavy favorite like Dallas than the afternoon game on Thanksgiving.


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[Assistant] If you think anybody's betting the freaking giants, they are decimated by injuries. Um, you know, Daniel Jones starting to turn into a pumpkin.


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[Assistant] Cowboys defense is playing with their hair on fire, especially that pass rush and the Cowboys offense looks explosive. Plus if you're Mike McCarthy.


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[Assistant] But you came back and you have bulliterated the Vikings and now you have a chance to.


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[Assistant] Really put a dent in the playoff hopes of a division rival that as you pointed out has been plucky all season long at home.


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[Assistant] With the entire world, like literally the entire world watching. Well, okay, just the entire United States of America watching.


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[Assistant] Uhm, maybe some of Mexico, apparently they're big Cowboys fans according to the uh, sideline reporter from City of Mestaca on ESPN last night. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Point being is like, you will make Jerry Jones very, very happy.


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[Assistant] If you obliterate the Giants at home on Thanksgiving, and there's a pretty good chance to do it. If you can bottle up Saquon Barkley, make them one dimensional, pin your ears back, score some points with Dak, and I just think the Giants are, as you point out, like you did the deep dive on it. They look like, you know, the Giants and the Jets look like if


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[Assistant] Great season. No matter what happens the rest of the way. It's a great season. I think you win seven games like this. You know, you got a good coaching staff in place. You got a bright future, but it wouldn't be shocking if they, you know, the train leant into the station.


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[Assistant] That's a good point. You, you basically forced Odell Beckham's hand. I mean, look buddy, you, you want to, you want to, I mean, you, you, you flip Odell from the Giants. This is like a recruiting, it's like a recruiting official visit. Like if, you know, Odell, I don't doubt he'll be there, but like you're basically saying, Hey buddy, you want to come play for this or you want to go play for that? And I don't know if it all loves.


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[Assistant] Anything, I haven't, haven't really dove into them. TD score, I'll see anytime.


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[Assistant] Again, you know, I'm not, I don't want to disparage Caesars, but these, these first touchdown score odds are just terrible.


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[Assistant] Kiddy Gala Day is 23 to 1. I mean like, he should be like 23 to 1 to catch a pass.


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[Assistant] Here's interesting. Tony Pollard minus 122 to score a touchdown. Zeke Elliott's plus 130. They'd love to give it to Zeke at the Red Center.


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[Assistant] Pass interference, tackle the five, tackle the one, something like that. Right. Right. Right. Exactly.


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[Assistant] I mean, how is he, how is he minus 123 under?


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, longest past completion for Dak Prescott, 36 and a half. My goodness gracious. That's a bit much.


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[Assistant] Total rushing yards. I don't hate Daniel Jones, 40 and a half total rushing yards. Like I feel like this is a game where he might be running for his life and forced to pick up yards with his, with his legs. Um, Tony Pollard, 66 and a half versus Zeke 45 and a half. It's crazy how these are just completely flipped. I don't really love any of those either, honestly. Um,


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[Assistant] I suppose he was CD Lambs. Receiving Archers. Over 70 and a half receiving Archers, CD Lambs.


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[Assistant] I'll take that. It's minus 139 but I think this is a, this is a possible explosion spot for him too.


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[Assistant] What's the, uh, plus, what's the, for any time touchdown? Plus 195. Don't hate it.


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[Assistant] They didn't really score 20 points in the first place in Dallas. His defense is nasty. All right. Moving along to the next game. That's so hard to navigate this site.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's right. Breach and I both like the Patriots in that spot. Um, it means this could go to, this is going to go to two, isn't it? Oh my. Yeah. I mean, I get your Patriots pets in now. Maybe buy it, maybe buy it to three. I mean, I, the Vikings


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[Assistant] It's Kirk Cousins in Primetime. That's right, because Breach and I talked about this really Kirk Cousins. It's Kirk Cousins in Primetime. He gets Bill Belichick. You see that total 42 and a half. Not expecting a lot of points, but you know.


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[Assistant] I think, I think they can definitely go into Minnesota and pull off the upset. It's a tough place to play.


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[Assistant] The Vikings are due for a bounce back and certainly the market adjusted to them after they got blown out by the Cowboys last week. But I, I like the Pats a lot here.


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[Assistant] And you could get first half under two. I don't think they'll come out guns blazing and like Kevin O'Connell has got to be careful here because.


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[Assistant] After the way Kirk Cousins played, and it wasn't entirely his fault at all, Christian Daris all likely out for this game.


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[Assistant] You know, that offensive line is not great right now. Belichick will dial up some pressures. He'll bring some stuff that will certainly make Kirk Cousins work for work for his, his, but like two really bad games from Kirk Cousins in a row. And I think you start to sort of have, you know, some chatter.


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[Assistant] For sure, especially prime time. I don't know what you're going to do, but just like, oh wait, I thought this team was, you know, really good.


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[Assistant] Right, so you don't like the page. I like the pats in this one. The pats are in kicking off a four.


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[Assistant] A stretch of four straight primetime games. This Thursday, next Thursday against the Bills at home.


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[Assistant] Monday Night Football at the Cardinals. Bleh. And then Sunday Night Football at the Raiders.


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[Assistant] Dude, I mean, you can easily get a situation where the Bills and the Chiefs play each other in the first round of the playoffs. One of those teams is knocked out and then you just, I mean, I don't think they're making the playoffs either, but like, I don't think they're making the playoffs either.


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[Assistant] That's right. Yeah, yeah. Beat the Raiders. Beat the pants off the Raiders and be like, wait, listen, we'll take, uh, we'll take Josh from you.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, like you give the Raiders like, like, I don't know. Why don't you leave them? But you're like, here's, here's Joe judge. We'll take Joshua Daniels. Here's, here's, here's 10 or like, here's $1.5 million and Joe judge. We'll take Joshua Daniels in his contract. Um, any, uh, props stayed out for you.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's, he's been a little... He only has two games in the last two weeks he hadn't thrown a pick, but I mean, that's the only two weeks he doesn't have picks, so. Right. Yeah.


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[Assistant] No, you cannot parlay the two interceptions. But I agree with you. I think Cousins over-interception shuttle is a pretty good look.


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[Assistant] Would not be, uh, they don't have any Dalvin Cook, uh, props up. Weird. Oh, they don't have rushing attempts up. That's weird for Dalvin Cook.


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[Assistant] Ramon J. Stevenson over 13 and a half rushing attempts?


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[Assistant] And it was against Chicago when they were down by a ton of points early and he had 11 carries. I'll take that over for Roger Stevenson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't like you're under the full game turtle. I like the Pats too, but I'm selling maybe a better lock on the Pats than me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright. Anything else for you on Thanksgiving? What's your favorite? What's your favorite side?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so it's weird, we don't do like a traditional Thanksgiving, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and people bring like some stuff over. Uhm, but yeah, I, I mean like back in the day when we used to go down to Jacksonville for my, for my, like with my grandparents, we'd go to this like 150, like.


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[Assistant] The Williams fans, they got this little farm thing. It's like, but it was a, um, uh, what is it? Cover dish.


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[Assistant] It's like everybody brings a dish. It's 120 people bringing like random dishes. It's called potluck, is that right? Not really, I guess it's potluck, yeah. But it was like...


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[Assistant] Like you would go in this like line. It was like, I mean, like an insane line around this, like in all kinds of different stuffings, everything, but you would, you would almost get to the point where you would know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of crazy. Uhm, so, and then we had like, uh, Florida barbecue, which is not, it's like the yellow mustard with the- Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't, don't eat Florida barbecue. Uh, but anyway, yeah, I think stuffing is probably my favorite. Uhm, for sure. Green bean casserole, pretty good too.


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[Assistant] Alright, that'll do it for us. Happy Thanksgiving. Good luck with the bats. Sully.


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[Assistant] As always, thanks for, uh, thanks for doing these shows. Pay Sally more money, CBS.


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[Assistant] Sure, I'm naked. Alright, whatever. Thanks for watching, thanks for listening, see you guys later.


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[Assistant] This sucks because I'm going to wake up at 3am tomorrow and then I'm not going to be able to listen to your podcast because I can't listen to myself.


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[Assistant] They're three games back right now. So you would say, yeah, but then you would go, well, you lost to the jet. So you have the tiebreaker. You don't have the tiebreaker there. You lost the Patriots. So you don't have the tiebreaker there. So if they would have won either one of those games and we're still four and seven, you'd say, absolutely. But since they didn't.


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[Assistant] It's, it's very, very difficult to do. They have the talent. The problem is, I think honestly, I think they've been...


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[Assistant] I think they've been a front-running team. When they were on national TV on Monday night football, everything was great.


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[Assistant] They would just kind of die in the second half and they'd wilt in the second half and then they'd start blaming Joe Woods. So, you know, I think that this season becomes a giant audition for who's to stay and who's to go in 2023 around Deshaun Watts.


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[Assistant] It's go- I mean, it's, it's all over the ladder. I mean, at the bottom of the ladder, there's people that are going, I'm never watching the Browns again, I'm done, that's it. There are people who say, this is football.


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[Assistant] And it doesn't matter. This is all entertainment to me. I don't need anything and that's fine too. You have people who, they don't believe you did anything wrong.


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[Assistant] If he gets to the end of the contract and say he decides, Hey, you know what? We've had a good run here. I'd like to finish my career in the South. Will they still say the same thing? Because football fans are football fans.


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[Assistant] So, you know, it's, it's very difficult, Will, to judge what a person says now on November 28th and what a person's gonna say in 2027. What a person's gonna say in 2026. So, a lot of it's emotional, and for a lot of people, for the Browns,


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[Assistant] So it's, it's really been, it's all over the place. Now that we've had time to settle, I mean, this happened in March. That's nine months ago.


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[Assistant] It's a football team and now that he's really, hey, I know he got a huge contract, but he did spend 11 games out. He did pay a fine.


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[Assistant] Wikipedia will always say something about this no matter what. There are always going to be people who feel he's a pariah. So it's always like, did he pay the fiddler to some people he has?


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[Assistant] I really, I think there are people who think that he's Superman, he's the second coming, and he's gonna be incredible. And I think there's people who don't like him.


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[Assistant] And think that they really just want him to fail.


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[Assistant] I'm looking at it as pragmatic as you guys are. It's been nearly two years. And in that game against Jacksonville, you could tell he was, he's kind of bopping around, looking around, he's a little nervous.


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[Assistant] And I think that he needs to get on schedule with people. And that's why I think Houston, obviously, I mean, we can look at the record and say, well, Houston's Houston, but teams run on Houston like crazy. You got Nick Chubb. There's been teams putting nine in the box against the Browns. I mean, nine in the box. You're not going to be able to do that if you're Houston with the Sean Watson on the field. So you'll be able to use your tight ends. Well, you'll be able to loosen him up a little bit. It is.


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[Assistant] With the exception of yeaah, it's in Houston for crying out loud. From a football perspective, you couldn't ask for anything better for him.


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[Assistant] Get some wins and see where the rest of the season goes from there.


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[Assistant] I think little by little, I think that, you know, Kevin always, Kevin Svansko is always going to hold something back. He did that the year they went to the playoffs against Pittsburgh and he was not using Nick Chubb in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] But I really do think it's a lot, it's going to be a lot of nuts and bolts, off tackle, stretch, things like that.


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[Assistant] And I, so I think that that's, that's a feather in the cap to Van Pelt. I think that's, that's good for Stefanski, but he's still the head coach and four and seven is still not a great record at all. It's a bad record. So his name's across the door. So.


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[Assistant] He deserves criticism, and so for the fans, they're upset. But for the organization...


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[Assistant] Things can change in six weeks. And with the Browns, things really can change in six weeks.


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[Assistant] But I don't think they have any plans to move on from him whatsoever. But when fans hear Sean Payton and some of the other names, and then you go up there and, you know, against Buffalo, you just kind of wait until Buffalo figured you out, then you give them the game.


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[Assistant] And it'll just make me angry about the first 11 games where there wasn't a lot. But I think...


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[Assistant] Against Baltimore, Lamar, I know everybody's down on Lamar right now. Lamar, Lamar's had their, he's had their number. No matter who it is, he's had their number. Washington's proven to be a tough out. Cincinnati, the Browns have always had them and then.


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[Assistant] You know, it's the NFL. So they've left themselves zero margin for error. And we've seen a lot of teams just have these.


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[Assistant] I think that with this year compared to other years, there's more stupid losses as opposed to other seasons with teams. I'm like, what are you doing? Why did you make that decision? Like maybe you're not thinking or maybe the teams are overthinking it.


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[Assistant] Who's a person we can get some value from? Who's a person that we re-signed? Because, you know, Miles is going to be going into year seven.


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[Assistant] Nick Chubb's gonna be a year older. Miles is year seven? Next year he'll be in year seven. My god, I'm getting old. Yeaah. So they gotta...


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[Assistant] He's, he's just upset because I'm beating him in picks this year. So.


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[Assistant] He uses these pedisms, right? And I'll actually use them just to humor him, just to play to our pick show. But he'll use the back to back row games. He'll bring out quarterback scales. He'll, uhm.


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[Assistant] What will he be? Uhm, oh, there's no fire in the belly. Like there's all these catchphrases.


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[Assistant] But like he, like the thing about Pete is it's really, really hard to change his mind.


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[Assistant] Thank you. But I look like Yoda, the way that like lighting is with the fake background.


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[Assistant] I actually do like reading. I'm reading The Psychology of Money right now. It's a pretty fascinating read.


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[Assistant] I like what you're doing with this whole thing.


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[Assistant] Uh, hey, what, what, uh, Jets1, uh, let's just talk about that quickly.


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[Assistant] Mike White, uhm, look, I get it. The Bears secondary is banged up. They have no pass rush. You know, their pass defense actually has been decent this year, even though


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[Assistant] You know, with brisker out, Nettie Jackson getting hurt, uhm, I'm missing someone else too who's out in secondary, but uhm, Mike might look great. I mean, I don't care if you're going up against a banged up second to those NFL players.


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[Assistant] You know, it's an NFL game and he played with the type of rhythm, um, accuracy, just seeing the field and distributing the football the way it needed to be done. And that's an example, not only for Zach Wilson, but I think, you know, really for their coaching staff to see how this offense can be run.


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[Assistant] Uh, but give him a lot of credit. He played great. The defense was lights out. Um, obviously they faced another backup quarterback. That's a five of 11 games this season. They faced backup quarterbacks, almost a third string with the oblique injury and warmups, uh, which I've


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[Assistant] Again, I didn't think they'd win a lot of games. I think I picked them win five games this year. They far succeeded that, uh, not winning games against, you know, starting quarterbacks, backup quarterbacks included. They've, they've surpassed that number.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but as far as the five backups they've played, they beat all of them, as well as Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] We're at $5,000 in donations so far. The way the Jets are playing right now, I mean...


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[Assistant] Well, hold on, let me, let me ask you this. Can we go down the tangent of talking about...


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[Assistant] Well, Jetson and the Cardinals, but cause, cause I think both teams are gonna have to make a major decision.


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[Assistant] After this year at the quarterback spot. At least that's where it's leading to be. At least I thought it was a week ago. Did I hear from Robert Sala that it's a week to week thing?


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[Assistant] I'm like, wait, wait a second, what? Like, are you scolding?


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[Assistant] I just, I don't know how you can honestly say that you're trying to make a playoff run and my wife gives you the best chance to win, but then say that and not back him, like back one of your quarterbacks. Like, look, I was.


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[Assistant] Defending Zach Wilson initially saying like, this is not the right move. You need to play him. You need to see what you have in him. And if you bench him, like you're basically saying like, all right, we're going to Mike White. And if he's the hot hand and he keeps rolling like this, you're not, you're not going back to Zach Wilson.


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[Assistant] And so now you find yourself in this position where like, how's the locker room gonna look at that? If Mike White keeps playing well and yet like they stumble here or there and lose a game or two, what are you gonna go back to Zach Wilson even though Mike White might not have been the issue in the first place?


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[Assistant] Well, and then even furthermore, if, if Zach Wilson is just kind of, you know, biding his time, why isn't he active? Why don't you have us the backup? Like why is Joe Flacco then the backup and not Zach Wilson? Like none of it really makes any sense.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I think it, it kind of puts you in a tough spot if things start heading south, but Mike White's playing really well like he did last week, which again, a ton of credit to him. Like I love seeing veteran guys, guys who've been around for a while, come in, play well, seize that opportunity. It's such a different, I mean, you saw the way the players reacted. You saw the maturity in which he handled things with the media.


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[Assistant] And you're just going, yeah, that's how it's supposed to be, you know, and I don't know that maybe Zach Wilson gets another chance at some point this season or next year, uh, but like I said before, like you're going to find yourself in no man's land if you win enough games where you're somewhere in the middle of the first round, like they're selecting 18th right now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that doesn't help your situation if you want to go try to find a quarterback next year's draft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can feel it when guys believe in you, when they don't, when they kind of have your back. You know, you can, you can feel that and you feel it when you're in the locker room, literally like in the locker room before games talking to guys, you feel when you're out there on the field.


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[Assistant] And you can also feel when they don't, uh, when they start going into survival mode. Uh, I mean, I've told the stories before, like when you get to a point in the season where you have no postseason aspirations, Pro Bowl has already been decided.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you get some players who start, you know, looking to, and this is, this is in the words of a previous coach, uhm, they, they start looking for life rest, you know, like they start looking at trying to like save themselves kind of, and, and look, it's, it's tough to argue against that because,


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[Assistant] You know, to be quite honest, when you have a really bad season, that I've been a part of a number of them.


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[Assistant] Uh, the entire roster turns over. You know, you're probably not going to be coming back or if you are coming back.


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[Assistant] Most everyone around you is going to look different. You know, staff could look different. So it's hard not to like sit there and judge guys for wanting to look out for their own best interest. You know, another Pete Prisco-ism. What's good for me is good for me.


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[Assistant] Love playing with you, who want to take care of the, you know, something else that was ailing them, probably were going to take care of after the season. They said, we're not going anywhere. I'm going to get it done now. That's fine. Someone else will get an opportunity to come in and play. Now it will be at your detriment. You know, if you're the quarterback, you're in that situation.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I think the awkwardness of this quarterback room is what's unique because if you have three guys who started games and played, you'd have to ask yourself the question, like you said, why Flacco to begin, then Zach Wilson, then you bench him instead of Flacco, it's Mike White. Now Mike White's played well, but you're not willing to commit to him. Uhm, it just, it's, it's not a great.


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[Assistant] But I think after that, what probably happened is like the leaders kinda went in and said, like, this guy's holding us back, we've watched this guy in practice for weeks now, dice us up, give him a shot. Like the guys love him, they respect him, you saw the emotions after the game.


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[Assistant] So it's just surprising to me that like Robert Sala wouldn't ride that momentum with Mike White right now.


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[Assistant] And just say, hey, maybe we're looking at this week to week, but it's Mike White's time and we're not turning back. We want to give him every opportunity to go out there and play poorly too. And we're going to have his back and we're going to let him keep playing as well. Otherwise you shouldn't have gone to Mike White in the first place. You should have stuck with Zach Wilson and you should have made that same comment. You should have made him get up.


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[Assistant] You know, apologize to the team, go take some of those defensive guys out to dinner, go talk to them like a man.


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[Assistant] And say, look, I know I'm still growing and maturing as a person, as a player, as a leader, but I'm going to get this right and go through those growing pains with them. Like that's what you should do. So they didn't do that. They want a different route. And now in my opinion, you got to buy into Mike White. Otherwise you're making the same mistake twice, pretty much.


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[Assistant] Well, again, I've said this before, like it's, it's a weird, I tried to like kind of talk about some of the concerns I had with our season. Clearly a lot of that was attached to Zach Wilson and his play and all that.


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[Assistant] I don't know why, I'm just saying like, it's, it's like there's this weird fascination with him liking moms, and maybe there's a few that have been burnt. You know, maybe Zach, like left early in the morning, and they were like, oh dude, what, did he just drink our orange juice? Like, what just happened? You know, like maybe the little


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[Assistant] So a few things, like one, uhm, as to the question of whether or not you have the authority to call timeout, sure you do. Uhm, or at least you should. Now,


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[Assistant] I can't say that definitively because I'm not a part of that team and I don't necessarily know what they're saying. But uhm, with teams that have been in the past, no doubt the quarterback has the ability to call a timeout.


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[Assistant] And I'll go as far as saying a lot of times, quarterbacks will call plays in a two minute drive because the process is faster. You're not changing personnel. You're probably keeping them out there. Uh, and so while you're actually like the clock's running, you're calling plays.


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[Assistant] You know, you might be calling it and then once there's a stop clock, now the OC comes back into the picture. Um, it works out that way sometimes. Sometimes it's just quick signals from the sidelines and you're not worrying about calling plays. You let the coaching staff do that and you just focus on going out there and playing.


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[Assistant] Hello, I'll just say as, as to, uh, you, you can auto one check the things if you see something there, right? Like there was always, um, you know, if there's two, why three techniques, we always had a run check to that. Um, cause you could use it kind of like run a little trap and you'd be able to get a nice little gain right at the middle of the defense, especially depending on what the box looked like.


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[Assistant] Um, there's, there's also, you know, like if you're out there scrambling up to make a play and because of where he landed, like I can see how there's some confusion of whether or not he got the first down or didn't. I mean, I think you have to assume when he slid and he didn't go head first that he was going to be short.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this past Friday, people were probably running into stores, right, for all the sales and everything else.


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[Assistant] It is like going in, uh, shopping the day after Thanksgiving, trying to grab any sort of clearance, discount, anything, anything like hot toy item for your kid. Like good luck. Like those windows open and close and it's like gone.


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[Assistant] And I, I just, the speed of the NFL is so different than at any other level. And trust me, the older you get, the slower you feel and the faster everyone else looks.


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[Assistant] Uh, in that instance, I mean, I know they're putting it on Matt Ryan. It's a little unfair because especially when he's scrambling.


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[Assistant] It was, it was one of those obvious examples of why you don't give Jeff Saturday the interim job if you're Jim Mercer. It's like, if you're that close with him.


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[Assistant] Why put him in a position where he's got to go through these growing pains on a national stage trying to work on clock management. And I believe the stat was they were the only team in NFL history to be trailing with about 30 seconds to go and not use a timeout. I think under 40 seconds to leverage.


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[Assistant] And I remember thinking to myself, like, it seems so obvious at the time, and I understand how maybe he's thinking like, okay, we've got, you know, we've got three timeouts so we can run. The problem is, like, once you get to that portion of the game, like, time is more...


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[Assistant] Well then, yeaah, that's part of it too. But time is more important than even the time out.


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[Assistant] Like you're always battling time and distance. When you're in that position though, like the timeouts, I don't want to say are irrelevant. They obviously matter to a degree, but you really want to save as much time as possible, you know, and not be wasting time getting guys lined up. Like think more efficient as possible, being most efficient as possible is key.


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[Assistant] Well Lucas, just think about this, think about this. So not only one do you have to get up as the quarterback, get back, get everyone set as part of what takes a while, but the other thing is it's the longest distance your receivers have to run.


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[Assistant] They're going to run all the way back. If you're throwing the ball downfield, they catch it, they run in, but they're not running anywhere. They're just getting set up in line of scrimmage. You're running to them or the offensive lines chasing downfield. So it's the furthest distance that receivers actually have to run. So it's like an automatic, we take a sack timeout.


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[Assistant] That's it. Like if you have timeouts, that's always the automatic play there.


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[Assistant] You're almost turning around right around and calling it. You should be at least. Like these are all things that again, it depends on like, are you a veteran, are you not, what kind of system you're in, but Matt Ryan knows, he's played long enough football, he's as smart as they come, so uhm.


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[Assistant] He's in the first year of his system. And you've got now another play caller there. It's just, I don't know. I don't want to speak for them because I don't know what their system is, what they're told. But it is surprising sometimes you get veteran guys who don't make that initial reaction and move.


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[Assistant] Because they should be, they should know better. I mean it is, like look, I've played for enough teams to know this. It doesn't matter what you call it, there's certain plays that are gonna beat cover 2, certain plays beating cover 3, there's things that you do situationally that have nothing to do with the system you're running. It's just how you operate.


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[Assistant] It's always about procedure, right? Like your first thing is you're trying to find where the first down doesn't get there. If you can't, you slide, you get down. Now you're looking for the official because you want to make sure he gets the ball so you can spot it as soon as possible when you get set. And then you're trying to look for guys to, you know, to get them, you know, rallying up to get set and communicate the play.


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[Assistant] So there's always a procedure to it, and that's where, you know, as far as the clock management portion,


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[Assistant] A lot of times the sideline will take it off your shoulders. So they, cause they have a better idea of handling all that and they should have someone up in the booth or they should, a lot of times a special teams coach will help handle that.


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[Assistant] Because especially if it comes down to like a field goal, like they're monitoring it.


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[Assistant] To make sure they communicate to the long snapper and kicker or if it's a mayday situation, like they're kind of like working it down the field to say, okay, like we're using our last one now. That means the next one we got to throw it in, you know, if we throw it in bounds, we spike it, we rush, you know, however we go about handling the final player of the game. If it's in that scenario, which is different than obviously Indy.


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[Assistant] I couldn't sleep that night. Like that night, I literally remember thinking to myself, like it kept me up because I felt so awkward for Mike McCarthy and Dak and like, Kellen Moore and thinking like, how do you justify that?


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[Assistant] I think I've actually like converted to the Brandon Staley, uh, strategy of winning. We're like,


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[Assistant] When you have your, when you have your shot to win games, just go do it. Like go for four downs, go for two point conversions, like just go, just go do it. Because otherwise, like you leave yourself up to like either luck or unluckiness, like completely playing against you.


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[Assistant] You've got to like, like, it's completely changed. Like the old adage was, like, you throw the football, like, you know, three things can happen, two of them are bad, right? And now it's like, not really. Like now you get PI, you can get defensive hole, you get all these other things that can go along with it.


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[Assistant] Once, once they're mathematically limited, I think he would be open to that discussion. And he said it in a quote today that he wouldn't have any resentment or bitterness if they wanted to look at Jordan Love. So ultimately, I think this whole idea is going to be crafted this way.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, this is the NFL. I'd never say never anymore. Uhm, I would say this, he's not getting cut. We know that. Uhm, but he could get traded. I will, I will throw up that possibility. Never underestimate the ability for some team that's desperate to make a move and give up.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know that Roger wants to go to Carolina. I also think the interesting thing is if you look at like two of the teams that could potentially, and we talked about this maybe last week.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Jets and 49ers, right? Like if you look at those situations, if you're the Packers, you'd be much more apt to trade them to the Jets because, you know, they're not in your conference. Like the 49ers, if you're good, you're going to have to play them at some point because the 49ers are going to be good. And so you'd assume that either they roll Trey Lance or they bring back Roplo or, you know, they'd look for a guy like Roger or something like that.


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[Assistant] It would be weird, but it'd also be amazing. And it'd be like vintage NFL.


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[Assistant] I do think at some point in time, I mean, there, this has nothing to do with him. Like I think he hasn't played his best football, but let's not forget, he like holds himself to that standard because he's a back to back MVP. So he's playing banged up. He's not playing quite as well. Part of that had to do with the fact that you're like finally getting Christian Watson that we were hoping to see at the beginning of the season now.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's a little late in the season for that to play an impact. Uhm, but their defense isn't very good. Like they can't stop the run. They obviously have struggled. So uhm, I think at some point in time they'll have to shut them down. It's gonna have to be uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, and, and I think that there's, there's two sides of this conversation. Like the tough thing is, is like, what do you say in your locker room then? Right? Like...


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[Assistant] You're, you're not putting your best guy out there to go win football games. Are you really trying to win football games or like kind of figure out your, your organizational position?


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[Assistant] For real. I can tell you, you'll see more guys go on IR. Guys who are playing banged up and all that.


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[Assistant] You'd be surprised, sometimes it's slippery.


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[Assistant] He's a Steelers fan, so that really doesn't factor in here, but maybe it does.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing is, yeaah, he might just retire, we don't know. Uhm, he's contemplated all that conversation. He could want to look for greener pastures, I mean, I don't know. Maybe the Walton family blows everything up in Denver, they're like, hey,


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[Assistant] You're not getting anything back for them, or otherwise you're paying a huge premium for draft picks in exchange for Russ, you know, if you're...


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a different era, a different time. And I think like anything else, you know, the way you have to look at it as a, as a quarterback is like, you're the CEO of a fortune 500 company and you know, you've got to adapt with the times as to, you know, how not only you're viewed, but the organizations viewed and


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[Assistant] You know how you handle adversity and all that. Like it's just, it's part of being a quarterback. It's no different than playing the quarterback position right now. Like if you're not a mobile guy and you can't make off platform throws or move around and be able to run a little bit, you're going to really struggle in this league because the offensive lines don't protect the way they used to.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it's, it's just a different league than what it was two decades ago.


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[Assistant] And honestly, like I remember being in Denver in 2010 and someone came and spoke to us. They said, look, if you want Twitter or whether you want to be active or not, you should make sure you have an account.


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[Assistant] Because you don't want someone to impersonate you. So my initial reason for even signing up was just to make sure no one was impersonating me and I was getting paid for a company. So I was incentivized to do so, but I never have understood, um, the,


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[Assistant] Not the draw, cause I get it from a fan's perspective. Like if you can talk one on one directly to a player that you love or even hate, why not? Like that's, that's pretty sweet. It's like a great idea.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and be able to, like, buy into it. Good or bad, by the way. Like, whether you win, you play great, everyone's hyping you up, you don't need to, like, read everything, and, and, it was, it was no different back then. The difference was, you had to go grab a newspaper, you had to, like, look online. Now you just have to look at your phone. And I think that's the tough part is,


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[Assistant] You know, with some of these things, you do have to have like a team or someone helping you to kind of manage it and make sure you kind of are crafting the proper response. Because I think you get yourself in trouble. Like, again, looking at how


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[Assistant] It works now. When you're a quarterback, you're a CEO of a Fortune 500 company. Let's just call it like, like it is. And you're basically putting yourself now in a position where you need to craft a thoughtful response that's going to represent you and your organization. And it isn't going to cause that much more of a stir.


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[Assistant] Like that's really the truth of the matter with I think how, uh, you've got to operate as a quarterback given the fact that like anything that anyone says now.


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[Assistant] Could get to you or you could have to respond to. So it's, it's a crazy world that they're living in. I mean, you can choose to not respond to certain things like.


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[Assistant] You know, Deshaun Kaiser was talking about, uh, Aaron Rodgers and conspiracy theories. I don't know that Aaron Rodgers is gonna acknowledge that or talk about that. Maybe he will, who knows? Uhm, but I think you can pick and choose, like, which things you choose to, uh, discuss and choose to talk about.


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[Assistant] I think, uh, look, this is no disrespect to, uh, Brent Key was the interim head coach that just got hired at Georgia Tech.


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[Assistant] No, it's such a, it's such a swing and a miss. Like I just, this guy to me.


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[Assistant] What's, what gets overlooked every time, and this is what I'd say about Deon is, he's a great coach.


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[Assistant] He is a great coach, a technician. He understands situational awareness. Like he understands so much stuff that he pours into these kids and they're good. His son's good by the way. Like you don't think his dad's teaching him constantly what he saw as a quarterback and how it impacts him.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, there's always other guys who are involved in it as far as like how good they are.


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[Assistant] I've heard people say this, I mean look he's got the greatest resume, you can't refute that.


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[Assistant] So that's usually what people will say, but Prisco would say he's not as talented as Dan Marino, so there you go.


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[Assistant] We did talk about Kyler. It's a tough spot for him to be in because it is a former teammate. So a lot of people are gonna speed into it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think you could just sign into an extension if you're the Bidwells. If you're canning ham, you gotta kinda can Steve Keim too, don't you?


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[Assistant] If you're not playing, well it's hard to move an asset. That's why I go back to the Packers not moving from Aaron Rodgers last year was their biggest mistake. If they were gonna like, wait till we had a down year, it's like, well you just missed all the value.


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[Assistant] Here's what never made sense about that. Cause the conspiracy theory is like, well, maybe the Cardinals wanted that to get out. Maybe they wanted that to become public. So then people kind of knew like what they were dealing with, but you'd have to go back to, well, you guys are the team that drafted them.


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[Assistant] And then you guys are the team that wants to sign up to a long-term extension, knowing this could be an issue. So it really just falls back on you.


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[Assistant] It really didn't make any sense why you'd want to have that clause knowing that eventually these things are public. You can find that contract, read it and go, Oh wow. Like that's, that's unique. That's different. We haven't seen that before.


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[Assistant] I'll go back a step further, how many agents are proactive and to the, to the media.


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[Assistant] Like, like they're the ones that, it wasn't like the team got out in front of it and said like, Hey, we made an offer, but he didn't like it. It was Eric Burkhardt who did it. Like he's like, Oh no, we submitted a contract offer. There's like, wait a second.


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[Assistant] What, what was the, what was the recourse from Kyle Murray and Eric Burkhardt if he didn't sign this deal? What was he gonna do, sit out the season?


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[Assistant] You see, you set out the season, you don't have a season that accrues, you're right back in the same spot a year from now. So, like, like, they couldn't just go into it and go, hey, look, we extended Kyle, we extended Cliff Kingsbury, we want you to prove it one more year. I mean, it's not that hard, and for whatever reason, they just buckled.


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[Assistant] They're making, they're making more than you think and you can, you can do financing for that if you really want to move on. Uhm, I, I think the more interesting thing is like, Kim's kind of connected to all this and I feel like this was like maybe him feeling like, alright, this was my idea to bring in Kyler and, and Cliff and look at the progress we made, which they did win more and more each year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so he figured a way of getting everyone paid. And it's like, great, but if this blows up, we're all out. Like, this isn't our last deal, man.


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[Assistant] Cause obviously, I mean, I'm sure Cam identified Callum Murray first, but, I mean, chicken or the egg conversation here.


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[Assistant] Either Cliff helped Kyler make a lot of money in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Or call help cliff make a lot of money but club was hard for so i would say like that pairing happened because club became head coach. Come identified colors the guy but i.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying, like, that was how my career went. Like, I didn't get any sort of leash long enough to be able to, I mean, I, I, the game I got benched my third year, I was six for eight, made one poor decision, a blind throw on a stop route. I thought it was for a single high coverage. Backside save fooled me.


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[Assistant] Okay, cause that, that makes sense. Like I, I really feel like I deserve to get booted off that. Uhm, but anyway.


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[Assistant] Uhm, oh gosh. I mean, there's been so many. I mean, I remember like...


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[Assistant] I'm not going to say what player it was, but I'll say what team. Actually, you'll be able to figure this out because we went to London.


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[Assistant] We were coming back from the Palms restaurant, uh, on a bus and like headed back to our hotel. So it was like, you know, you kind of had some downtime outside of the practice. We weren't, we weren't there very long.


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[Assistant] I think we played, we played on Sunday, obviously, and then we went over like on a red-eye Thursday night, so we got on Friday. So this had to have been like Friday, maybe later that day, or maybe Saturday, like the day before the game.


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[Assistant] And we're coming back from lunch at the, uh, at the Palms there in London. And I'll never forget this player stands up. He's like, Oh, hold on, stop.


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[Assistant] Chased after a girl on the sidewalk. We just kept going. Like that was it. They made his way back there till at some point.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I saw him later. Like it wasn't like he disappeared from the whole thing, but like it was really, I will never, I will never forget that. I was so startled at something cause you were like, stop the bus, stop the bus. And I was like, Oh man, what happened? We like hit someone. We like leave someone.


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[Assistant] But all I, all I know is when he said that dude, I was like, that'll be something that I'll never forget the rest of my life.


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[Assistant] Nah, I wouldn't, I would never out the player, but uhm, we were in London, the team I was with, I went to London with.


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[Assistant] There was like stuff that happened that you just...


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[Assistant] You can't make up. I mean, from my time with the MRSA stuff in Cleveland, some of the stuff that went on there, just the personalities and players.


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[Assistant] Well, uh, okay, full disclosure, uh, last season, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yes last season so i was doing radio for fox sports radio early morning time slots of six a.m. well when we be out like a big twelve country i have to do the five a.m. right we're in central time so.


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[Assistant] I tried to get it set up at the hotel, they didn't have the technical specifications, so we ended up setting up at like a Fox Sports Radio studio, couple miles away. So I wake up, uhm, I thought I had like a car set up to come get me, I can't get anything. Like the car cancelled on me, couldn't get anything.


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[Assistant] You can play like blackjack and craps up by the pool, it's incredible.


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[Assistant] I didn't keep in touch with the old couple. Uh, they just went off their life and I went with mine, you know.


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[Assistant] Had a guy reach out that I saw a few weeks back. I was on a promotion for the Breeders' Cup, right? Great horse race, Lexington, ran into him there. Don't really know him that well, but know him. You know, have golfed with him, etc.


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[Assistant] And one of the things you realize is, and especially I've realized this more once I'm done playing, uhm, like everyone wants a piece of you. Like everyone wants to take your money, they want to gamble with you and all that. And I always find it interesting because I've never really needed to gamble when I'm golfing to talk trash, to be competitive, to like feel pressure, right?


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[Assistant] Well, it's not even that, just my competitive nature. Like I will be chirping the entire time, whether it's a thousand dollars in the line, one dollar, nothing. Doesn't matter. Like I would be chirping at someone regardless. And I, I could, for no money, I would make them feel like the world is on their shoulders in playing a match like that.


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[Assistant] But uhm, it's always funny to me like when people who don't really know you will make that sort of comment like, hey man, we need to get together and golf sometime so I can take your money. I'm always like, first off,


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[Assistant] Like you don't know me well enough to kind of like make that comment, but my, my, my, my like candor response is always, that sounds great. The problem is I don't want to spend four hours with you. So it's probably not ever going to happen.


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[Assistant] And like usually people are so taken back by that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the only problem is I don't want to spend four hours with you, so it's never going to happen. And here's the reality of it. It's funny because they think I'm like joking, but I'm actually being honest. Like I'm like...


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[Assistant] No, I'm like, seriously, like, here's the deal. I've got three little girls and a wife at home.


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[Assistant] If I'm not working, like I want to be with them. And then if I'm actually going out for any sort of leisure activity, I want to hang out with people that I don't get to see very often. You're not one of them. Otherwise you would have gotten a call or text by now at some point.


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[Assistant] And I don't mean to sound like pompous or arrogant, like I just, it's just, I'm being honest. Like that's, I think for those people out there, whoever get that, where guys get a little chippy and all that, just kind of respond back and say, Matt sounds like a great, great plan, but I just really don't want to spend four hours with you. Sorry.


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[Assistant] I would play golf with you, if I had to pick like, people who I work with at, at, at CBS, it'd be you, Wilson, for sure.


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[Assistant] Well no, you're not number one. Hold on. It'd be Wilson for sure number one.


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[Assistant] Uh, number two actually would be Hassle. One, cause he's a good golfer. I've played with him before. Two, because of his quirkiness and overall general sense of humor. He's hilarious.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then you'd be in there too, just for entertainment. Now Pete will be offended, and he'll be like, all right, at what time I beat you? First off, I was giving him strokes. That's how he beat me with strokes.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, yeaah, he's probably wishing that he didn't sign up for a job if they told him it was a four year plan and ended up being a two year and five game plan. Like, that's tough.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he's not wrong. Like their defense is really good. Like their defense does keep them in games. They're young on offense. They've improved on offense. Um, I mean, look at Deontay Foreman, how he's come around or even Chubu Hubbard when he had his moments after McCaffrey left, like they can run the ball. Uh, Ikea quantities, I think it could be really good. Um, DJ Moore's a stud, like


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[Assistant] They've got some pieces there. They really do. It's just, you know, they need to find the right, you know, quarterback, a consistent player at that spot and continue to build in the old line and some playmakers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think every owner who metals in a business that they know nothing about, they didn't earn their billions or their wealth from that. It's prob, it's a problem. Like stop meddling in it. Like you see owners, a lot of times you're really active. There's few that really do a great job of understanding how to run an organization.


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[Assistant] I mean, I would say Robert Kraft does a good job.


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[Assistant] No, and I don't want to, but think about the Haslams too. Think about Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Like they moved on from coach after coach after coach and it became...


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, again, it's unfortunate if that's the track record they go because it's not just coaches who get canned and it's the assistants and it's the front office and it's, it's the players too who get caught in the middle of it, right? Like you get a lot of players whose careers are just wasted away because they're not building towards anything significant or meaningful and yet,


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[Assistant] You know, that's gonna be the narrative, you know, surrounding them, you know, regardless of if, you know, they could have had a shot or they are good, could be great.


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[Assistant] I would just say this, if you give any quarterback that's drafted in the first round, three, four years of starting.


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[Assistant] The same offensive coordinator. You continue to build around them and you give them a number one wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Most guys aren't as talented as Josh Allen, so they're not going to look like that, but they're going to look like a starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] I'll kind of leave it at that. Or, though at least, by year three, show you that they're not.


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[Assistant] And that's the problem is you get too many organizations that in today's age do not want to actually commit. Like I don't know that anyone knows what commitment needs, needs anymore in the NFL because they'll draft guys and move on from in a heartbeat. And it's like.


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[Assistant] Can we not make snap judgments all the time? Like there are some guys who are really talented that will make you say, wow, but you got to give them time to develop. There are some guys who are like ready to make an impact right now, but the team around them is not. They have no protection. They have no one to throw to. They have all these other issues.


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[Assistant] So I just, that's the hard part about watching this is having gone through it, I know what it's like to lose a coach that drafted you and a general manager that drafted you. I know what it's like to have to run two systems in, you know, three years and have two general managers in three years and all that right out of the gate.


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[Assistant] And I know how bad it stinks too to have the new head coach come in and basically let you know that you're not his guy and then still have to be there. Like that's a tough position to be in for any quarterback that's a part of that.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Pic Six Podcast, Emergency Pot Edition. Me, Ryan Wilson, joined by Tyler Sullivan, or as people who know him call him, Sully. Uh, not great news if you're a Colts fan, that's pretty much been the case the entire season, Sully, but especially, uh, on today, Monday, November 7th, hours after


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[Assistant] Uh, a truly embarrassing loss to your New England Patriots. The, the cults have decided to fire Frank Reich.


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[Assistant] So this is week nine. What are your initial reactions just hearing this news about the decision to move on from Frank Reich? I believe a week after they decided to move on from the office coordinator.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yesterday against the Patriots, and the Patriots offense has not been itself for, and at no point during the season, and I don't think you would disagree with that, but the


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[Assistant] The Colts offense made that Patriots offense look like the 2007 Patriots. The Colts went 0 for 14 on third downs yesterday. Uh, I mentioned this yesterday on the recap pick six spot, and I'll just mention again, Zach Kiefer wrote this for the, the athletic. I just have the quote handy, so I'll read it again, talking about that.


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[Assistant] That's what's so hard to wrap your brain around. I think that offensive line in Indianapolis is the highest paid offensive line in the league.


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[Assistant] They're playing like one of the worst offensive lines in the league. Uh, Ryan Kelly, the center, Quentin Nelson, the guard basically said as much after yesterday's game. And so you follow the Patriots closely. I didn't watch that game.


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[Assistant] Nearly as closely as you probably did. Just wondering your take, like if you were watching this game in black and white and you didn't know which team was which and you could, you had to decide, okay, this Colts team must be team X in the NFL. Like what did that feel like to you? Cause I'm sure it didn't feel like a typical Indianapolis team that's been so successful for so long.


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[Assistant] Brent is not here to defend himself, but, but he would try to make the case throughout the, the first, I don't know, six or seven weeks of the season that they play in a truly crappy division.


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[Assistant] I think the Titans actually might have something to say about that. I think we, we all supplement Titans to our detriment and they were three, two and one after their week six win over the Jaguars. They somehow scored 34 points in that game and it felt like


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[Assistant] Uh, they lost to the Titans where they scored 10 points. They lost to the Commanders in which they scored 16 points. And of course they lost Sunday yesterday where they scored, uh, three points against the Patriots. The last two games, Elanger started.


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[Assistant] And I think you're exactly right. Now, part of this is just being unlucky because Andrew Luck decided to call it a career. And then you roll with Brian Horey and Chicago Brissette and that's, you don't have a choice. You're just trying to...


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[Assistant] Carson Wentz felt to me like, okay, we're going down this road and either it's going to work spectacularly or it's going to go over the cliff and the car is going to catch on fire before we hit the ground and we're going to die twice. And it ended up being the latter because Carson Wentz


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[Assistant] Didn't work out. They gave up capital for that. I think most people...


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[Assistant] I don't know, I'm not trying to be a revisionist history here, but did you think that Carson Wentz thing had a chance of working out?


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[Assistant] I didn't either. And I, I think Frank Reich hoping he gets hope knowing his experience with, with Carson.


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[Assistant] Uh, in Philadelphia and how they had this close relationship.


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[Assistant] Through the draft process, I thought they thought they could rekindle things, because uhm,


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, and Billy, you might want to weigh in on this, because Frank Reich was a huge part of that Super Bowl run in Philadelphia. And everyone said once Frank Reich left, oh boy, Doug Peterson can't do this by himself, with Carson Wentz in particular, because Frank Reich was sort of the soothsayer.


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[Assistant] Turns out it wasn't all Doug Peterson and it wasn't all Frank Reich. And I think you're right. I don't think this is all on one person, but at some point you can't just keep firing assistant coaches. The buck has to stop with you. And it feels like Jim Ursay had finally had too many come to Jesus meetings and said, all right, something has to change.


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[Assistant] Frank Reck obviously got fired. We fired Will Brinson, but here he is. He's here to talk about, he ain't going away. Frank Reck can take a lesson from Billy Brinson here. So Brinson, uhm. What did I do wrong?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know. And I only, I didn't say, ehm, because, um, Hersey's had these meetings with these guys more than


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[Assistant] So I think that Erce, he's the guy that has his finger in the pie. I think that's a saying all the time. So this isn't, and I'm sure he said, listen, we got to get this fixed. I think, I think as the old person saying, but, um, he's having these meetings. He's not talking about, you know,


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[Assistant] So. So you mentioned you were surprised that the order I'm assuming, but Brian J in the comments asked.


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[Assistant] Well, taking a bigger picture, is it better for the cultifier, Frank, right now or later? I think, why wait?


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[Assistant] Well, let me just clarify. I was talking about you when you weren't here because I said for the first six or seven weeks, you were trying to prop the cults up because they play in a terrible division. There were three, two and one at one point. Matt Ryan, he had me bench. You're like, well, there's, they're not out of it. That's the, that's what you would say. That's not untruth, right?


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[Assistant] Billy pulled the tape. I already had him queue it up. No, I'm just kidding. But, uh, I don't think that's...


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[Assistant] That's not unreasonable. That's something that sounds like something you might say. But my point is that if they're still, you know, if they're still in it in your mind,


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[Assistant] Keep Frank Rock around, but if you're not, if this team is rebuilding, what's, what's the


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[Assistant] I, I don't know, I don't think they're tanking them because when you say you're tanking, that means that every player who their entire life has been extremely competitive and usually the best player on the field is buying into the notion that, okay.


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[Assistant] Nothing changed except you're getting rid of the guy who was calling terrible plays. How's that tanking? That feels like the opposite of tanking. The players are the same.


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[Assistant] Well it's funny, so what I was gonna say, so his first year, Sully, he was 10 and 6, then they went 7 and 9, 11 and 5, 9 and 8 last year, and this year the wheels fell off. So it's not like this guy has been Josh McDaniels from day one, or Matt Patricia to keep it in Sully's neighborhood. Frank, Frank, we'll get another head coaching job.


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[Assistant] So our buddy Greg Doyle, who writes for the Indy Star and used to work for CBS Sports way back in the day, and he's, you know, as close to this as anyone. He's been in Indianapolis for I think a decade now. He thinks John Fox might be the interim. It's his speculative guess, which is interesting. He thinks Gus Bradley's too busy being the defensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] Uh, despite John Clark's being on staff, I agree with that. That's the qualifier. Also, my first thought when Frank Wright got fired was that that's too bad for Frank Wright. My second thought was, can the Steelers hire him to replace Matt Canada? I'm not even joking.


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[Assistant] The bigger issue is they don't have a quarterback. Sean Payne's not going to a team without a quarterback and currently they have the 14th pick. Which maybe gets you a rookie quarterback, but I don't know if Sean Payton wants a rookie quarterback. He'd probably rather have someone let go, say Justin Herbert or Tua Tonga Bailoa or


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[Assistant] So there'll be three or four quarterbacks that go in the first round and you can get one as we sit here at 14, maybe if they move up to 10 or something. I don't think it's going to be a situation where you have to get into the top five because


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[Assistant] The reality is that Bryce Young is small and some NFL teams are worried about that, but he is the best quarterback in this draft class. So that's the, that's some other math you're going to have to do. The other guys all have issues, even though they're all 6'4 and 225 or whatever.


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[Assistant] So those are the considerations. CJ Stroud is having a good season. I wouldn't call it a great season. I don't think he's better than Justin Fields was at this point coming out of Ohio State. Will Leves has looked like crap, but his offensive line sucks and he's been hurt. And Anthony Richardson is so incredibly raw that you could draft him if you're the Colts. He ain't going to be good for three years. So Sean Payton ain't signed up for that either.