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[Assistant] He looked very good in training camp. I know there was a lot of people early on in training camp that were like, whoa, Case Keenum's kind of outperforming Baker Mayfield on a daily basis. And of course it was a new system for Baker and he was getting used to it and Baker was on fire at the end of the year. But Case Keenum, glad he's on the list, should be on the list. And, uh, he's one of the best backup quarterbacks in all of football.


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[Assistant] It is a little bit of that. That's really all it is. It's really not an indictment. Yes, he hasn't played, so that hurts him a little bit.


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[Assistant] We're gonna get younger. Number 39. Number 39. Big Justin's Fields, Ohio State, Chicago Bears starting quarterback. Hey, I know I was one of the negative guys on Justin Fields in the draft process. You know, I'm sorry. There's still a lot that I really like about Justin Fields. Yes, you know.


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[Assistant] Is he a guy that could be on here and play and make a huge jump by the time we get to week 10? No doubt about it. He's got that type of talent.


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[Assistant] You know, but we'll see. He scares me just like he did in the draft process for me to put him too much higher in the rankings. Special running ability like we've talked about.


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[Assistant] We know the arm is top notch and when you piece it all together,


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[Assistant] Hey, he can do some stuff on a highlight reel where you just go, whoa, wow, holy crapola, Batman. I mean, he's got all the tools to be the superstar. Now, it's just gonna have to be putting it together. That's why he's 39. Hey, he's got the potential to be top 20 guy halfway through the year. I mean, he really does. But, he's got some other issues where I'd go,


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know, I mean he could fall down farther 39.


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[Assistant] If it got to the bad aspect that scares me. So that's where, you know, Justin Fields is at 39. I need to see a little more info before I make a jump with him or anything like that.


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[Assistant] You know my, my issues, the throwing mechanics are really the biggest issues, the inconsistencies there, too many slam dunk NFL completions that were left


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[Assistant] As incomplete in the college game, that bothered me. So, he is a little bit of a boomer bus type prospect. Uhm, I'm rooting for him even though people think I'm a hater on him. I don't root against these guys. But yes, there's gotta be things that he's gotta clean up and I gotta see first before I can put him in front of some of these other guys.


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[Assistant] Let's bring, let's bring the mechanics in first because I think we can go there and then maybe talk about what the bears can do to help it.


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[Assistant] And maybe even massage it as far as their play calling to have some time working on it. So yeaah, I mean, listen, you know the issues, right? Right.


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[Assistant] And the biggest thing first off is a lot of space to throw the football as far as he needs a lot of space. And then a lot of moving parts to throw the football. So here's a play against Alabama, right? And there's a lot of these on film.


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[Assistant] And again, I'm rooting for Justin Fields here. But like here, if you're looking at this on YouTube, there's the, the great receiver, I believe this is Olave, number five, at the kind of the top of the screen, coming across the formation right here, alright? And there's Justin Fields, perfect pocket, right?


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[Assistant] And I'm just gonna tell you, this should be a slam dunk completion. We know that. It should be a slam dunk completion. It's a four yard throw and a shallow cross.


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[Assistant] I will also say because we don't have video over these and video rights to these, you're just gonna have to trust me that if it's an accurate completion, not just a completion, if it's an accurate completion where the guy doesn't have to slow down, he's gonna score a touchdown. I mean he's gonna run right down the sideline and run for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] But let's go ahead with this, Pete, and let, so, first there, and these aren't gonna be, we got some better pictures coming forward here.


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[Assistant] Hey listen, you see there, there's, the arm is up already through the elbow, right?


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[Assistant] I don't necessarily even, I can tell the body positioning is not perfect there. But it's, he, go back to the last picture if you can, Kristen or Pete, whoever is controlling it. But you can see even just from here, if you go this one, now to picture two.


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[Assistant] The upper body didn't really change. The arm just went up, right? It just, the arm went up. The shoulders never turned, nothing. So this is a little bit of what we're going to get into here with the next few, you know, frames. So now let's go and finish the product here. And you see here,


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[Assistant] I mean, this was a ball, the guy could barely get his hands on, and we're talking about a five yard throw. And as you can see, it's man coverage, the guy's chasing him. He's open. And he's one of the fastest guys in college. I mean, Olave is going to be a top 20 pick next year.


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[Assistant] So he's a special receiver. So you have that. Yes. So there's an example. Let's go to the next one, Pete or Kristen. Now again, here's another one.


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[Assistant] Alabama national championship game. Gonna throw a little like double move, corner route to the back pylon. Alright, here's it. Not a bad position to be in right here. I got no issues with this. That looks pretty good actually from where that picture is. Two hands on the ball, decent base underneath him. But now let's go to the next picture. Now, I don't love that. I don't love that. Now, I mean again,


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[Assistant] Very long. I mean, yes. At least two yards. I would say two and change. Would the backside, what bothers me, I'm not a two yard stride, okay, I can deal with that.


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[Assistant] But there's the other parts that also add to the, I don't like the two yard stride, the back foot.


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[Assistant] Way outside the framework of the body. That's what I mean when you hear me say, like, we've talked about pushing off the mound, right? Quarterbacks don't get in that position, where the hips and the body, why the foot is still in the ground, are noticeably in front.


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[Assistant] Of that back leg underneath them. And then of course, what's the other thing that jumps out to you?


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[Assistant] The arm is way far from the body. Elbow relay like this.


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[Assistant] So, I'm gonna stand up for a second, if you don't mind here, and I'll stay low, but, I mean, to be in this position, so, quarterback, like,


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[Assistant] And now we're only relying on the arm to do it. Right. And again, that's why it's sometimes hit or miss with just the fields. Sometimes you can go, whoa, it's just one strike after another. This is amazing. But then you can get into little areas like this in this game and some other games where let's go. Let's just finish this one out here where, you know, you could see.


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[Assistant] Again, there was a place, but it wasn't even close to complete. Not even close. And those are the things we're talking about that we gotta fix with Justin Fields. It's gonna be a tough fix. It is. Pete, we got one more, right?


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[Assistant] Here we go. Another one. You know, again, a little bit like we talked about with the last one. Again, the back leg not totally underneath them.


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[Assistant] I don't love the position of the body again and the arm itself.


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[Assistant] Way too far away from the body, and disconnected from the body, the upper body. I think that's the big thing, there's a disconnect. You know, again, maybe if you guys can come back to me again, if there's a Brady or a Rogers, they take the ball like this. It goes away like this. They don't do this.


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[Assistant] And then try to do this, and then try to make it go like that way. It's not segmented like that. And again, going back to that picture there, it led to, this is a, hey listen, the coverage is not bad, but again,


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[Assistant] For the 11th pick of the draft. It should be slammed on his numbers. Okay, he gets smashed at the one yard line, maybe gets in the end zone. But what happens is, not even a catchable ball and should have been intercepted. Or that might have been intercepted. Was that the certain intercept that or he dropped it? He dropped it, right? Yeah, so.


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[Assistant] Again, I hate to harp on it because the guy can do some other things, run the ball and throw in some deep passes where you just go, you drool and you go, that's amazing. But there's just too much of that right now for me to bump them up too far because I just don't know yet.


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[Assistant] I think you said it right. That's the right way to put it. It's gotta get fixed. There's no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] And it's like, hey, you put it right, the examples you use and everything like that, the moving parts, the balance, anything like, hey listen, that throwing of any object, or anything similar, like we always talk about.


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[Assistant] You got too many moving parts hitting a forehand in tennis, and you're going crazy and all that, you're gonna lose control of the ball. Right. Think about Phil Mickelson yesterday. Right.


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[Assistant] Technically perfect and then of course can stay within himself, but then a 50 years old can hit the longest drive.


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[Assistant] In the PGA Championship at 50 years old, at 366 yards, and it looked effortless, but it's because the technique was perfect. And that's where you go to Brady and Rodgers and Mahomes where you just go, man, that looks so, it looks like a flick of the wrist. You know, it looks like a flick of the wrist because they're mechanically perfect.


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[Assistant] With accuracy, yes, the pockets are going to be much more condensed than you saw there at Ohio State.


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[Assistant] I don't know anybody in the history of football.


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[Assistant] The development will be key. Like, like, I don't think...


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[Assistant] I mean, you've watched enough Justin Fields the last few years. I don't, I never got the sense like,


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[Assistant] The game was too big for him, or he was intimidated by anything. Not at all. Like, oh no, the crowd's too loud, I'm flustered. So from all those things, I go, Justin Fields is gonna be fine. I think he likes when the lights are on, and he likes competing.


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[Assistant] And he thinks he's the man. And that's the way he should be. Right. So from that aspect, I have no doubts that he could handle the competitive aspect. It's gonna be about do they feel comfortable with him?


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[Assistant] Hey, he's got our base drop back pass game pretty down. And okay, maybe he's not quite as consistent as Andy throwing the ball, but it's not far off.


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[Assistant] And, oh wait, now he brings this other element to our offense. And again, I'm not in love with Chicago's offense anyways. So maybe this is the kind of thing they needed to give them some spice. And give them a little bit of an extra schematic curveball and things like that. He could bring that. And then of course their defense is legit.


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[Assistant] So I don't think it's crazy. I don't have an answer for you right now, as you know, but you like get me into like two or three preseason games and we revisit this and let me see it and maybe just hear some things in the NFL universe about how this guy's handling the meeting room and all that. I'll give you a proclamation statement on whether they think he should start week one.


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[Assistant] I'm with you. I mean, I, I, I agree. I, I do all, all the way. You know me.


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[Assistant] I'm always that guy about play the guy either way. It's the best thing for him to grow and do all those type of things.


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[Assistant] And I, I do think there'll be tremendous fan pressure there too. Right. For all the out, I mean, Florio's been saying it. It's, it's, it's Andy Dalton. We traded him to get the number 11 pick. You can't beat out Andy Dalton. Like, you know, that, that's all gonna be part of this conversation that's gonna put pressure on the bear.


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[Assistant] Man, I had him here last year and it just won't look that right if I bump him up that far. I don't give a damn about any of that. I don't care. You know, I had Lamar Jackson and


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[Assistant] Like I was wrong. You're right. Why would I put him at 30? He should have been at 10. I knew he was one of the 10 best. I like the aggressive stance. Thanks. Speaking of quarterback 38. Yeah, same, same type of guy. Trey Lance though. 49ers. Yes, North Dakota State.


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[Assistant] He will be quarterback number 38. You know, hey, a lot of the same conversations that we had with Justin Fields hasn't played as much football, but I love the top end talent and there is more consistency with Trey Lance's throwing.


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[Assistant] Now, it still needs work. There's no doubt about that. And we're gonna get into breaking down some of those type of things.


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[Assistant] Either way, like we talked about with fields, Lance has some special attributes. We know that. The running is real, once again. I mean, it's real.


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[Assistant] He can make people miss, he can outrun you, you know. He's got good size and strength to even take on some people if he's gotta lower a shoulder or run into some trash. His arm, like it Justin feels too, it's really powerful. It's really powerful.


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[Assistant] And I would say really in a lot of ways more powerful than Justin Fields because there is a little more consistency with the mechanics and controlling of the football to where


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[Assistant] You know, he can throw it hard and still control it. Fields can throw it hard and sometimes control it. Other times you're going, ah, no, that's not good. So that's the reason Lance is in front of fields.


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[Assistant] Yes, I still have questions with the lack of playing time, the mechanical issues, the consistency hitting some passes that you go, wait,


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[Assistant] You know, hey, you're the number three pick in the draft. I'm not supposed to see like that many, the guy had to go to the ground or turn around or we just missed that throw all together. Those are the things I just, I gotta see them improve a little bit before I can make these guys, you know,


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[Assistant] Top 25 type talents or, or quarterbacks in the NFL.


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[Assistant] I think it definitely like inches the hot poker towards Shanahan's butt a little bit with the fact of all the assets they had to trade and everything like that. But I also think within that,


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[Assistant] Even though that hot poker is gonna be close to his butt, the also, the fear of like, wait, I traded all this and he's, you know, I'm not sure if he's ready yet.


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[Assistant] Definitely. That they're too smart. They're aware of the fans and everything like that. You think it'll affect them? Yes. I, I don't, I know. I don't think it'll affect them. I don't. That's where, that's what I was trying to make with that horrible analogy that I was trying to do there. But yes.


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[Assistant] Because I think they're going to balance that. Like, we want to get them out there. We know the fans want them out there. Gosh, we traded all this stuff to get this guy. Yes, but like, if there's any fear of


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[Assistant] Ooh, he could fall flat on his face and, you know, have eggs all over his head and all that kind of stuff. Then maybe we need to pump the brakes here. So, this is a fascinating situation. It is. I don't know, because it could play out.


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[Assistant] In the scenario you talked about, where, oh yeaah, we want to sit him for a year. But like we've discussed, oh yeaah, but, but you were 13 and 3. And you, you're the NFC's home field advantage, 13 and 4 this year.


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[Assistant] NFC, home-field advantage. Yeah. Like, are we gonna get Carappolo? Are we gonna get rid of him?


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[Assistant] We're gonna go one more year, cause that's working, and oh wait, we got, we...


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[Assistant] You know, Jed York said we could wait a few years before we play the guy. You know, that's to me where the pressure will mount up too. And it will become like the NFL talking thing. Like, man, they gave up all this stuff for this guy and he's still not on the field. And of course, I also look at from the aspect of like, Shanahan's had this type of guy before in RG3 and they hit the ground running.


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[Assistant] You know, so I don't doubt that Shanahan could put something together and they could throw him out there week one. And it might not be perfect, but we'd still sit there and go, look at this crap they're doing. This is dangerous.


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[Assistant] San Francisco's different in the fact that, first off, this quarterback's taking you to the Super Bowl already. And second of all, the thing's built. It's already built. We already have expectations and we think they're a Super Bowl caliber football team.


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[Assistant] And that's where it can be more dangerous for them, I think, than the Miami team that was young and were just rebuilding and, you know, we didn't really have a franchise guy. And we just drafted the fifth pick. It was just Fitzpatrick. We know him. This is Jimmy G. He was supposed to replace Tom Brady. And then he was supposed to come to your place and be the savior there.


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[Assistant] I mean, Shanahan's making a lot of money, and this is gonna, it deserves a lot of money to make this decision, so we'll see where that goes.


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[Assistant] To me, it's gonna be on Jimmy G and how he plays. This to me is less about, like, Shanahan's gonna get Trey Lance ready to go.


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[Assistant] And he'll, if he's got a play in, he'll find ways to make it good for him and make it work. I don't, I mean, I don't doubt Shanahan. See, that's where it's different with Fields and Nagy a little bit. I don't have the confidence quite in Nagy and I don't know what that offense will look like. And of course I don't believe in his creativity towards the, or the way I do with Shanahan.


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[Assistant] But, but, to me, it, it, it's unlike, like, Trey Lance, I know he's smart, he works hard. Shanahan will have a package of things for him to perfect and do things like that. But I think it's more on Jimmy G with this one. Like, I get that.


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[Assistant] If he's faltering and not playing up to par, uh, I think that's when all the things you talked about start to come into play.


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[Assistant] Because now the fanbase is like, wait, he's not playing great. Okay, yeah, we're, we're, we're three and two.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, we're, we're, we're four and three instead of five and two or six and one or something like that.


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[Assistant] And it's just not up to par and now you have all that chatter like you talked about. We gave him three first picks, three first round picks and all these types of things. That I think can expedite that if it gets to that point. Yeaah. You know, I don't think if it's five and two, I have a hard time thinking he can do that.


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[Assistant] It was all defense and running games. The Vikings game and the Packers game. Both of them, you're right. Both of them. He threw two early interceptions in the Vikings game. What if it looks that way?


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[Assistant] First, they have some pass catchers. I got some pass catchers and a tight end. And, and you know, now this guy, even though he might not be able to be as pure as a consistent of a thrower.


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[Assistant] But his running might open up some big time playmaking passes to go along with it. I mean again, Shanahan's a genius in the run scheme.


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[Assistant] And now you make defensive coordinators think about another aspect of the quarterback running with the extra blocker in front of them.


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[Assistant] And it'll be really easy. Yeaah. You know, but, but that's, that's what the running quarterback does and Shanahan's brilliance and all that. So I'm rambling here. I don't know where this goes. Podcast. I, I know. I don't know where it goes. Yeaah. I'm, I'm fascinated.


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[Assistant] It's endless. It's endless how they want to play it with Jimmy G. I mean it really is. You could be in...


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[Assistant] You could do a million things. Oh, Trey Lance is kicking ass. All training camp. Preseason. He looks like a star. Somebody gets hurt as a starting quarterback on another team. Hey, we got Jimmy G. You wanna trade him? We'll take him. We'll give him to you.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's that aspect, there's the aspect you brought off of him starting being benched in the year. There's the aspect of Jimmy G. playing the whole year and them doing well and then what the hell do you do after the year?


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[Assistant] You know, there's so many different angles and approaches the 49ers can do.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's where, yeaah, I am fascinated by that. I'm excited to see Trey Lance and what he can do in the NFL when he does get in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we gotta look at Lance and some of his issues through the ball too. Let's do that. Because, you know, again, a little, it's a little different way. He doesn't throw through the elbow like Justin feels, like we talked about that way. Doesn't swing the elbow up high, but still the motion can get very long and independent from the body at times.


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[Assistant] And this is from last year. It's gonna be a fumble here. And go ahead, go to this. So right now he's in great position. Right? So let's go to the next frame after this. Still in pretty good position. Got no problem with that. Good base. Two hands on the ball again. Great looking body. I don't like that. I don't like that. And this was a fumble.


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[Assistant] You know, these are the other reasons like people don't talk about like, yes, it's gonna lead to inconsistent throws. It's gonna lead to strip sack fumbles when you hang the ball out there like that. That's all these guys do and train for this in the NFL. That's all they talk about.


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[Assistant] Individual period. We're gonna come around the edge, swat the ball. We're gonna do this and swat the ball. I mean, that's what they do. So, that is scary from the aspect of playing in the pocket quarterback, let alone, again, it's some of those same things we talked about with, with Justin Fields. That back leg not being totally under him, it's like kind of,


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[Assistant] Crumbling inside, right? And now the arm is, the arm angle has broken a little bit in the elbow and is way behind him.


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[Assistant] And again, that's baseball. Again, you would never see Brady or Rogers get to this. That's how he is right here. He's like this. Or Mahomes or Wilson. Yes, they would never. They might drop the ball or do something like this, but see how this arm angle, it never breaks or anything like that. Rogers.


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[Assistant] Mahomes, it's all gonna stay in here. They're never gonna let it get to that point like that. It goes back to your moving parts thing. There's just too many things there.


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[Assistant] So, there's that, that ends up in a strip sack fumble. Right? Let's go to some of the other pictures here. Here we go, on the run. Trey Lance, he can have some throws where you go, that's amazing on the run. That's great. And then you have other games where you go,


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[Assistant] I don't know how you miss it. And miss it this bad. And miss it this many times. Now this is his one game from the 2020 season.


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[Assistant] That should be freshman football completions. I'm not trying to be a jerk or snarky or...


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[Assistant] But that's just the aspect of it. And here we go. So here's a little bootleg, which of course is going to be a big part of Shanahan's offense. And he's got a guy in the flat.


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[Assistant] That's wide open, but it goes back again to nobody, right? So I don't even like this position here if you're watching. Shoulders already swung open.


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[Assistant] Didn't keep it in there to kind of, you know, keep the roll. Like, you would want to be on the run like this. And as you're getting ready to throw and do that, you want to be the opposite of what he is. You want to be like this almost. So now you can rotate through it and throw it and use your body. Instead, he's like this. He's open and just going to do it with his arm. And just going to go like that.


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[Assistant] That's what he's about to do here. So he throws this ball and it ends up being incomplete.


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[Assistant] They don't show the final result there. So, but anyways, here we got another one where he runs to the left.


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[Assistant] He's throwing on the run, and again, there's throws where he runs to the left where you go, that's awesome, that's textbook, I love it. But then there's throws like this where...


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[Assistant] He's running to his left, which would be my right. You would want to see like that, right? The opposites. Let me get that shoulder turned to my target a little bit so now I can rotate out of it and throw it. Here's one where he's going to his opposite side and his chest is at the target. He's wide open.


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[Assistant] The arm's just gonna go around in a circular motion like a ferris wheel, and he's gonna throw the ball. It lends it to being...


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[Assistant] The ball being 12 feet high. Guy goes up and makes, I think he caught that, I can't remember. He did, he dropped it out of bounds there. So...


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[Assistant] You know, again, some of those concerns. I gotta see those get fixed and things like that. Plus, he hasn't played a lot. He's coming from one double A football. All those things are why I got him at 38. I hope he proves me wrong and is at 18 halfway through the year. Again, I'm not rooting against these guys. Here's a deep ball shot too. This is something that's not a positive in his game.


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[Assistant] You know, you see here, not bad positioning. Okay, let's go to the next shot. Here we go.


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[Assistant] You know, the inability sometimes for him to throw different type of go balls or balls down the field. He kind of has to throw every ball the same way.


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[Assistant] Because he flips out of there and it becomes all arm, every ball is kind of driven, even deep balls. He doesn't throw it high and let it fall like we see the great deep ball throwers do, right? That'll get you in trouble. Right, because again, even like in this picture,


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[Assistant] I mean, I'd want him to be like, and again, don't pay attention to my lower body, I'm trying to fit in the screen here. But you want him to be like, like this, loading up to throw these balls. Not, not like this and then,


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[Assistant] That's what he did right there. He just was here and he went boom. If that makes sense. You know, you want to be here.


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[Assistant] And like now I'm gonna, uh, go up with the ball. Right. So those are some of the things he's got to work on. You see, overthrows it there and you know, there's a lot of that on his film.


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[Assistant] Shanahan's got a clue. He's listened to the Sims family a lot and throwing and stuff like that. So he definitely has a clue. And that's where


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[Assistant] You know, do I have a little more confidence in them fixing a Trey Lance and some of his issues as compared to Nagy and Fields? Yes, I do. Because I do think there's a few more people in that building that at least I know, know a little bit. Right.


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[Assistant] But, I mean, everybody should know who's coming. It's Kellen Maugham.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, of course I got Kellerman in front of those two guys. He was in front of them for all my, you know.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. Sixth, fifth, and fourth best quarterback. You've heard anybody that's been listening to me with my quarterback breakdowns in the draft. I mean, what have I been saying about Kellen Mann? He's, he's one of the most NFL ready guys. He plays in the pocket. I got no, I, I don't, like, the, the things that, again, I go back to, with Kellen Mann, he was


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[Assistant] In a lot of ways, him and Mac Jones might have been the most NFL ready pocket passing quarterbacks. Not the best, not saying anything, but just purely, I had to play the game in the pocket, go through reads, make high level, you know, tight window completions, those type of things. Kellen Mann thrived that way.


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[Assistant] And you get to see a lot of it. So that's why I had Kellenman forth in my quarterback rankings.


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[Assistant] That was the big reason is that I felt like, ooh, he's been playing NFL football. It's not going to be adjustment. He's got no mechanical issues. I think you heard me throughout the process. I was going, the only guy, the only thing that's wrong with this guy is I just wish he would scramble a little more and maybe be a little more loose with the ball and not be so tight with it and all that. But those are easy fixes.


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[Assistant] He's in the perfect spot in Minnesota, an offense that really fits him.


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[Assistant] Everything like that. But yes, being under Jimbo Fisher.


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[Assistant] Playing on one of the, not the most dominant team in the SEC, I think Kellen Maughan, if called upon, which I don't expect this year, but if so, I don't think Minnesota will have to change anything. They don't run a complicated offense. They're gonna go, wait, you've done this stuff in college? You've been watching Kirk?


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[Assistant] Oh, in fact, hey, wait, your arm's really explosive. We might be able to call a few other plays off these play action passes that we couldn't call with Kirk. Right. Cause you can just launch it. So that's where, you know, I'm a believer in Kellen Mann that way. I think it's a great fit. And yeah, I like Kellen Mann's game a lot.


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[Assistant] Watch, learn. Cousins is a robot, a machine as far as studying how to handle yourself, not listening to outside noise. I mean, Cousins is great at that. I mean, come on.


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[Assistant] For him to be behind that guy, and where it's great too is, really he's more physically gifted than the guy in front of him. Right. To where it could, you know, set up to that point where...


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[Assistant] Cousins got a year or two left on his contract. It could be one of those things where they see this guy for a year and they just, whoa, he's good, he's smart, he understands it. Man, it's throwing.


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[Assistant] And you hear these foaming in the mouth type stories about watch out for this guy when he gets in there.


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[Assistant] Listen, I'm a believer in Kellen Mann, you know that. I think he's the, I said it, you know, towards the end of the draft process. He's gonna be the Dak Prescott of this draft. That's what I really think. Everybody, ooh, we kinda liked him, but we nitpicked him to death and he fell to the third round.


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[Assistant] Well, we always thought he had starting capability. Oh yea, you did? That's why you picked him in the third round, huh? That's why you let him go. I mean, so yea, we'll see where Kellen Mann goes, or how this plays out for him. Certainly gonna be the backup, but I do like his game. It's just too pure of a thrower. Right. Too pure of a thrower, knows how to play the position, and I'll tell you one thing.


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[Assistant] I was really into some of the games where I go, this game could have been a disaster.


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[Assistant] He could have lost this game for them. At A&M. At A&M. And he really played the position the right way to go, okay, it's not going to be pretty, my stats aren't going to be pretty, but we're not going to lose the game for me. I'm not going to lose my patience or have my ego go off because I want to show everybody I can throw a 50 yard laser, I don't care, it's triple coverage, I got to show it.


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[Assistant] You know, he never fell into those traps. He's very mature the way he played the position. Uh, yeaah, I like Helen.


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[Assistant] I do definitely in the passing aspect of the game, I will say that.


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[Assistant] Trey Lance with Shanahan and that running team and all that, like, that scares me, like, as far as that conversation, cause they could have some highlight runs and we're going, well, Trey Lance has run for a hundred yards the last four games in a row and hit it.


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[Assistant] Yes, ultimately I do. I have the most confidence in him in being able to take over an offense and the offense not having to change at all either. Just being like, oh this is our offense, we run.


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[Assistant] Our backup fits within our offense, and we're gonna just, we're good there. You can picture that. And I think really, yes, within the drop back passing, the play action passing, anything throwing the football, I give Kellen Maugham the advantage, uh, over those guys, for sure.


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[Assistant] But like I said, especially within the pocket. That's where I found him to be really damn special with that quick release, strong arm.


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[Assistant] Unlike Lance and Fields where we showed long front steps and long motions.


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[Assistant] This guy can play in a phone booth and still throw 40 yard lasers and that's what I really like about him.


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[Assistant] I got it. You know, my dad said this a little last week, and I think when he said it to me, it's like bright light went on my brain. I was like,


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[Assistant] You're right, and I wish I would have thought of that before the draft.


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[Assistant] Bruce Arians only likes big quarterbacks. He just, he doesn't like, he never has. I mean, it's always Big Ben, Carson Palmer.


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[Assistant] How to like watch what he ate all year round to be 242, 245, right? Yeah. So I, you know, listen.


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[Assistant] Hey, every, you know this, some coaches have their mold of what they like at certain positions and they have their beliefs and how they've constructed their offense and how it fits that position and what I like. To me, that's what it came down to. He wants a big sucker that's going to stand in there and


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[Assistant] Oh, you got concussed? So what? You threw a 50-yard post. Great throw. Way to go. Go out there and get concussed the next series again, okay? I mean, that's just what he believes in.


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[Assistant] I know, I mean, obviously yes, I didn't like Trask as much as Mon, but uhm, again, I don't hate on any of these guys.


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[Assistant] I think I got a little scared too. I will say, I think the Oregon offense and some of that aspect scared me with Herbert too, to where I let that play into it.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, it's always good. I'm gonna be wrong of course on some of these. Just a few.


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[Assistant] We're done, we're done with Rookieville for a little bit. I've had enough of these young rookie punks.


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[Assistant] 36, a guy who was not on the list last year, but he has re-entered, and I'm not saying I was right to not have him on the list last year, but I had my questions. He made me feel a little bit better about him this year. Marcus Mariota, Las Vegas Raiders, yeaah.


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[Assistant] I didn't know what to expect from Marcus Mariota. You know, got benched in Tennessee. He is not the most pure passer throwing the football all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, again, what I'll say about Marcus Morina that really jumped out to me in the game he got to play this year, too, and everything like that. First off, I did think he threw the ball better. There's no doubt. Was it perfect? No. I mean, he throws an errant interception at the end of the game where you go, wait, you're too good to miss that throw. You can't do that.


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[Assistant] There's still a presence on the field. That's the thing. I'll say I gave Marcus Mario a little like for that. He has a presence about him.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a man in the pocket, you know, he has been to the playoffs, he can lead people that way, and


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[Assistant] His skill set is still pretty special too. And we saw that in the one game. He had to come in and relieve for Derek Carr and everything like that. Hey, they ran the ball well.


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[Assistant] In a tough situation, he ran the ball well, and he made some big time passes. In a game where it was a good defense, and they were down, and he drove them down to tie the game late in the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] You know, went into overtime, all those type of things. But, you know, under Gruden,


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[Assistant] Do I feel like he had some growth in the past game? Yeaah, of course I do. I think he was probably taught things there. The way he looked as far in that one game, the things I know from out there in Las Vegas,


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[Assistant] And I think I probably underrated him a little last year in the top 40 quarterback countdown anyways. Uh, so that's why Marcus Mariota's there. A guy that I still think, if gets his opportunity, can be a starter in the NFL. I do. And I know it's only one game, but sometimes it's all we got to go off


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[Assistant] If it's a good running quarterback and everybody's behind him, they add the touchdowns rushing and the rushing guards. If it's a quarterback like, let's just say Cam Newton.


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[Assistant] Nobody talks about, oh yeaah, oh yeaah, he had 12 rushing touchdowns and led the team in that department. That doesn't get talked about in what he did for the team and things like that. That's a real aspect. It's 2021. Dual threat quarterbacks. It's a real f-


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[Assistant] So, his running's a real thing. There's no doubt. We gotta stop, like, brushing it over to a degree there, in that facet. But, yeaah, uh, I, you know, that one game...


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[Assistant] Learning from our, uh, from Gruden and things like that.


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[Assistant] I would think that was enough too to why you heard the New England Patriots rumors early in the off season.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, they're paying a lot of money for back, their team I think has salary, yea, their salary cap issues. That's one of the reasons, you know, they restructured this offensive line and did all those type of things.


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[Assistant] I mean, the reason he's 36 or was just out of my top 40 last year...


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[Assistant] Is the same thing anybody's heard me talk about Marcus Moriarty.


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[Assistant] You like the passing to be a little bit better and more consistent. You know, and again, that game was really good, but...


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[Assistant] Had an interception on a little spot route to his right side, where that's kind of been the MO of his whole career, where you just go, oh, he's played good, and man, you missed that? Like, ugh.


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[Assistant] You know, you, you missed that throw four times in a, you know, our last four throws, three of them were open and he kinda missed them? Damn, how does that happen? I think that's where it, he's gonna have to prove he's gotten better in those areas if he wants to have somebody sign him as a starter again or do those type of things, at least in my, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] And it's, it's, it's, uhm, you know, it's another, I think, thing forgotten about. Like, you talked about, like, the touchdown, like,


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[Assistant] Turnovers, we talk about Jameis Winston as being the turnover king of that draft.


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[Assistant] He started turning over. Fumbles became a real thing with him carrying the football and fumbling. So I think that's why he's fallen out of the starting role.


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[Assistant] I do think he's a man. He's got some great physical attributes. He does have a presence on the football field with the way he stands in the pocket. And of course when he takes off and runs, you know, he's a guy you just, you notice. He pops out and the defense has got to take him into account.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but it is, I think, that polish of passing, like, kinda like we've talked about with every guy here. Right. Uh, you know, I feel like, as far as needing a little polish. But, yeaah, like Mariota, we'll see if he gets a chance to play. I was hoping to see him play. Yeaah. You know, Carr got hurt.


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[Assistant] Hurt his back, remember, in that Thursday night game. And I remember thinking like, oh man, Carr's going to be out for a few weeks. We're going to get to see Marcus Moriarty when he's got all about here.


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[Assistant] He definitely does. Like, Jameis has the ability to be a legit top 10, top 5-ish type quarterback, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] Why it's a what are you doing right now list? Because the league can change in a hurry.


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[Assistant] And, you know, how you play, you know, hey, if you got, you could be the seventh best quarterback in football, the next year come back, have a bad year.


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[Assistant] You know, didn't play your best, made some stupid decisions, threw some bad interceptions and some big moments, and five or six guys had career amazing years, and you could end up being the 12th, 13th best quarterback in football the next year rankings come down. I mean, again, it's the NFL, these things are so close.


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[Assistant] And so many different things of course dictate your success and those type of things. And guys have up and down years. That's part of the sport.


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[Assistant] That's the way it goes. So, uh, hope that was a good first five. You know, some rookies there. It's hard to break them down as much as some of these guys that have been in the league. But tomorrow, or Wednesday's pod, we're going to have some guys who've certainly played and, uh, we'll be able to get into a little more of the nitty gritty with them.


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[Assistant] You know how he's in their class of guys, but I think ultimately why Mario is 36 or in that range there is like I talked about. There's some things I really like, but I don't have the total 100% confidence that he can dice you up in the past game and do those type of things if need be.


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[Assistant] It regressed. It was a little bit of... You know, it's why I'm...


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[Assistant] Those young quarterbacks, you all, especially the running ones, I wanna see, I don't, I'm not gonna get fascinated with like, oh whoa, it's four awesome games in a row. You know? Like even with Jalen Hurts.


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[Assistant] You know, like, listen, it could get better. It definitely could. But it could also get worse where teams go, wait, this is what they're doing with them. Alright, now we know how to stop the quarterback runs and those type of things. Oh, they like to throw this little pass when they don't have the run they like.


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[Assistant] Then it becomes, oh, I still have to play in the pocket and dice people up. And to me, that's what happened with Marcus Mario a little bit. Yeah, his running, they were a pretty good team.


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[Assistant] Caught some teams by surprise, got them going and all that. But then once teams got used to how they played and all those type of things, Oh, those tricks aren't there. And now I gotta be able to beat you with my consistency and picking you apart and doing those type of things. And to me that's, that's where it regressed a little bit and why Ryan Tannehill took over.


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[Assistant] There's a few young guys in there. Okay. Alright. Yep. Not necessarily rookies, but younger guys. Younger means like first three years? Yea, first three. First three, four years there.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think we'll do, uh, what are we, I can't even remember. We got a staggered between pod, few one, PFT, back to the pod. Oh, you got someone PFT, okay.


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[Assistant] On PFT today, Trey Lance Fields and Case Keenan. So now we've added two more. Shoulda had it on in the house. So tomorrow we'll do those two, the two we didn't do on the show and then I think add a few more to it and that's


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[Assistant] Okay. We'll do everything on the pod. Anything we did on PFT will break down and then we're gonna have a few extra guys we break down on the pod too. Okay. Yeah, kick him, Mike, all the good stuff.


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[Assistant] Oh, I wanna see you in the pool with a weenie bikini on and a shower cap. Like, can we get that for the show, please? In fact, NBC, let's not even let this guy go there unless he takes a picture like that. I want you in the weenie bikini with the shower cap.


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[Assistant] Oh, that would be amazing. You talk about clickbait, that would be amazing. Yeaah. Yes, I actually really do like that idea. Amazingly poor.


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[Assistant] Wow, that's amazing. I'll be tuned in especially close now for now on with water polo. I am pervert.


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[Assistant] Alright, yeah, no, I know it's nasty. I always have respect for those, those swim athletes. Yeah. Because I, I went to school at Texas, we had a great swim program and the workouts they used to go through, I'd be like, what? Crazy, right?


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[Assistant] The screenshot for this podcast will be you. It will be chrismas unbuttoned and you naked.


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[Assistant] I do. I do. I am saying I do. And we will open up PFT in the morning for sure. Maybe multiple mornings if you take that kind of picture for us. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] So, you just, you make the choice. You want to be big time or not? You want to be famous or not? Hurry up, figure it out, okay? I didn't know that was my path.


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[Assistant] No skin doctors, no taking over from my brother. He's gonna be here. I gave him the time this weekend. He's ready to go. So peace out everybody. Safe travels to you. Alright. Be good. Check you out. See ya. See ya.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms on Button Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] Hi, you had on. And someone told me what color blue that was. Right. And I can't remember now. I think it was like, I can't remember. Yeah. Cause I was like, this is blue. And they were like, well, it's not quite blue. It's like this weird kind of blue. And I was like, you're right, but it's blue to me. But yeah, it was cool. It was awesome.


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[Assistant] Being at the Kentucky Derby, there were not 160,000 people there. Yea, right. But there were a lot. I mean, we're talking like 50,000 people.


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[Assistant] Some are skinny, some are giant, like there's one that was big and I was like, well that seems like a good thing, right? It seems like a legs and ass guy. Right. It's like this is the biggest horse in the biggest field, he got 19 other horses, uh, but they're like, don't bet on him. He's not that fast. Uh, but Medina, after the race, I had so many people come up to me and they were like, I saw that horse 10 minutes before the race, he looked awesome.


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[Assistant] No, he had. His last race was bad, which is why people were like, alright, well he's not that good. Gotcha. And so then, he was just, Baffert was just sandbagging. He was like, be bad.


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[Assistant] Be bad. Your odds will be 9 to 1 instead of, you know, 5 to 2.


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[Assistant] And then I'll win some money. So it was, it was great. I saw Bob Baffert afterwards, hobnobbing. Cause when you're around Mike Tirico, it's like all the stars end up gravitating towards you. It's like I'm there, like here comes Bob Baffert, over.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then like, you know who else was there? Warren Moon was there. Warren Moon comes over. I was like, I'm gonna hang around Mike a little bit more. Cool, yeah, Mike's big time. It was fun.


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[Assistant] But I was watching the NFL draft while we were doing it. You heard at the beginning there we called Jason, we called Jason away, Patrick away. And now he's changed it up on us again. Come to find out you were right and not referring to him as Jason because that's not even his real first name. Jason is his middle name. His first name is


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[Assistant] Odafe, I thought, but maybe it's, maybe it's, I think it's Odafe. Odafe, okay. Yes, yes. Alright, so he goes, he goes, yea.


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[Assistant] Odafe repeats now and now we're panicking because he goes, he goes, the reason I did this is because no one can say my first name. He goes, now you're going to have to learn how to pronounce it. So clearly we have some work to do. We have some work to do. Cause we just wrote three different ways of saying it. But uh, so that's, that's all cleared up now.


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[Assistant] We do wanna talk about the draft. Yep. Cause there was so much that happened. You did release a podcast on Friday with Mike. I did, yep. Going over the first round. Yes. But now we're gonna get into which teams killed it, which teams, uhm, which players went to great situations.


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[Assistant] Go through all of this because now we have it. Now we have what happened in the NFL draft. Uh, but let's start, Chris. Let's just get right into it. The biggest story was the number three pick. And for this one, we're going to have to bust.


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[Assistant] Chris Sims is the guy you have trust in. But it ain't just rhymes and he's bustin'.


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[Assistant] I don't want to do it, actually. I'm saving everyone. Alright, so let's bust the nerds. Let's do it. So, Trey, if you don't know by now, Trey Lance, number three. We had been talking about Mack Jones going number three all along.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my, my first question is, is are you friends with Kyle Shanahan? Can we confirm that that's happened? Or maybe that friendship is now over. No, no.


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[Assistant] And it's not just you, multiple reporting that, that Kyle Shanahan was high on Mac Jones. Sure. 49ers, that the Patriots were high on Mac Jones. Sure. That Sean Payton and the Saints were high on Mac Jones. Yeah. And maybe there were other teams as well that were very high on Mac Jones. And so there would be a reason that if you were one of those teams that were high on Mac Jones,


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[Assistant] To think that you had to trade up for him at some point. Because you're hearing, wow, there's a lot of teams that like this guy. Why wouldn't they like this guy? Uhm, here's, uh, Peter King talked to Kyle Shanahan. Right. And Kristen, do we have the quote for it? So,


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[Assistant] Peter basically asked him, like, what do you think about those Mac Jones rumors that you were inevitably gonna take him? And Kyle said this, we weren't gonna work to correct that. So he's talking about those, those rumors out there that turned out, I guess to me, not true.


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[Assistant] But to see how much this matters to so many people was just unbelievable. It really taught me a lot about people and I guess it's awesome for our league, all the attention. So he's kind of insinuating that he didn't want to correct those false rumors out there that they were leaning towards Mac Jones.


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[Assistant] And part of it is you want to send a message to Trey Lance, like you were the guy. We never had any doubts, right? So I get part of that, is it? Uhm, but I guess there's no benefit into saying like, yeah, we were on Mac Jones and then we got scared and changed our mind.


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[Assistant] Very few wanted Mac Jones. Do you think that shook him a little?


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[Assistant] Keep that in mind whatever you were about to say there, but here's the narrative too, is that the 49ers always needed to trade up to number three to get Tray Land.


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[Assistant] Yeah, do you think that, do you think Carolina or Denver would have ended up with Mac Jones if they didn't feel like the 49ers were trading up to get him? Do you think that they made their moves thinking like, okay, we gotta get Sam Darnold because Mac Jones is gonna be good?


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[Assistant] And you heard from other teams how difficult it may have made trading down the price that the 49ers were willing to pay just to move up the, what, nine spots right there. It's like, alright, we want to trade down, but we're not getting anything close to what the Dolphins got from the 49ers there.


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[Assistant] So, this is a funny thing that I was, you know, I've got a lot of Bay Area followers and 49er fans, and a lot of them would tell me, they're like, we don't necessarily...


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[Assistant] Trey Lance was one option. Or Mac Jones plus your two future first round picks back. And as of right now, 1,400 votes in.


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[Assistant] 60% of the people say, rather have Mac Jones plus the two future round picks. So that's not all 49er fans, that's just all my followers out there. A lot of the 49er fans are still trying to talk themselves into the fact that, yeah, yeah, yeah, Trey Lance, this is Trey.


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[Assistant] You had to factor that in too. There's a chance you could have waited and gotten a quarterback that's higher on your list without giving up any of those future first round picks. Which indicates to me how desperate they were to move on. How desperate they were for another quarterback.


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[Assistant] I was like, you're kind of, I told you those are hurt here a little bit.


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[Assistant] Mac Jones goes and dominates in New England. We're like, well, you know, he's got Belichick. He's got this great scheme around him. I don't know that you're gonna get the full credit for that.


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[Assistant] If Justin Fields goes to Chicago and falls on his face, people are going to be like, well, yep, that's snaggy. You know, they can't develop a quarterback over there. You're not going to get full credit for that. And if Kellen Mann goes out there and somehow beats out Kurt Cousins, people are going to go, well, yeah, that's Kurt Cousins. Anyone could do that. I was like, dang it. I know. I told you so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when 49er fans thought Kyle was taking Mac Jones, they were like, Kyle's an idiot. And now that you're defending Mac Jones, they're like, Kyle's a genius for taking Trey. You're the idiot now. We gotta figure out who's the idiot here. Seriously. Uh, last thing. Yes. And then we'll move on to who won the draft for you and other teams out there. Uhm, will he spend a year behind Jimmy Garoppolo? No!


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[Assistant] Len Combs, who starts and wins the game first? Trey Lance in San Francisco or Mack Jones in New England?


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[Assistant] And finally, an apology to DynastyGuy2 and others out there as well. He goes, Hey, Chris Anamit, huge fan of the pod. Why did you guys have to say Mac Jones was going third overall? I lost a bad amount of money. I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] If they, if they send you an invoice, will you, will you pay them reimbursement? Absolutely not.


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[Assistant] Absolutely not. This is for entertainment purposes only. We've made that clear from the get-go. You know, when Chris is talking about my pit stains and all that, that's not... If Pete sends me an invoice, I'll pay for Pete's. Alright, so... Okay, Pete, there you go.


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[Assistant] We'll take you out to dinner. Uh, alright, let's move on. Let's put a button on that. I'm sure we'll revisit that many, many times. Oh gosh, for 10 years. We'll see what happens, how it all turns out with all the quarterbacks that went. Uh, now for the 2021 draft recap. Teams who killed it.


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[Assistant] And I'm looking here, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. You got eight teams that killed it. Yeah. Uhm, and what I like following you on Twitter during the draft is awesome. Is that even when guys are taken high that you really don't like, or don't love,


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[Assistant] You always find, like, the positive things about some of these guys, and I, and I respect that. Uhm, but there's eight teams that you think killed it even more than the other teams. I'll go through them here, and let's start with the Jets. Let's start with the Jets, uh, who took Zach Wilson number two overall. You're number one player in this draft. They got him number two overall.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Elijah Vera Tucker, also in the first round, uh, alignment out of USC, who you liked a lot. You weren't as high on Elijah Moore, but you were on Michael Carter, the running back out of North Carolina. They got him in the fourth round, so they got a lot of guys. If you're watching on YouTube here, you can see them all. Uh, you like their draft. You think they killed it.


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[Assistant] He's the first Jets fan ever to be happy with their draft, and we found him. There's some this year that are happy. The only thing I question, oh, so here we go. So the only thing I question is the lack of resources used at corner. I know we got a good receiver at 34, Elijah Moore, but do you think there was a corner on the board at 34 that would have been a better pick?


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[Assistant] Pete notes here, the Jags took Tyson Campbell at 33, so just before him. Right. Kelvin Joseph was still there though. Asante Samuel Jr. was still there. Could they have gone corner and shored up that part of their team?


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[Assistant] The Jacksonville Jaguars. So what I'm learning here is that to have a good draft, all you gotta do is have one of the first


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[Assistant] Second round, Walker Little. We don't know what they're going to get out of him, but you set a first round talent. He is. Out of Stamford, the offensive lineman, Andre Sisco. The safety out of Syracuse. Here is, uh, Thomas Gatz TV. Did you give Trent Balke your scouting report directly? Because he drafted all of your top players.


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[Assistant] Why did the Jags take Travis at ETN? Lovely guy, my running back one as well. But they have James Robinson, who is incredible. I understand the link with Lawrence, but why not go defense? It sucked so bad last year.


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[Assistant] So their defense was not fun to watch. No. For Das Patlum. No. So what do you think? I mean, you didn't think he should have gone in the first round. Nope.


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[Assistant] Everything throughout the course of a football season, every position becomes a need position because of the injuries. It seems like at one point or another. So have the Jets and the Jaguars added enough talent this off season to not be picking in the top 10 next year?


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[Assistant] So fan of the Jets, fan of the Jaguars, you are also a big fan of the Miami Dolphins. What they did in this draft. Let's take a look. How did they do? Jalen Waddle, their first pick.


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[Assistant] Jaylen Phillips also in the first round. The edge rusher out of Miami. Uh, Liam Eichenberg in the second round. The offensive lineman from Notre Dame, I know you like. Javon Holland, the safety from Oregon in the second round.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then 100 long, a tight end in the third round. What'd you like so much about the Dolphins draft?


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[Assistant] Last year's draft takes. Exactly, so conflicted here. Uh, so Dolphins had a good draft. Another team that you think had a good draft.


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[Assistant] Was my Detroit Lions. Ladies and gentlemen, we've done it. We've done it. Brad Holmes comes, look at that. Oh, look at this stud.


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[Assistant] This is my, so on YouTube right now, if you're just listening, I feel sorry for you because what you can see on YouTube is me looking cool in my lion's draft hat, feeling confident.


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[Assistant] As I was doing that, I was like, how do I look cool to my wife? And she was like, I don't know, maybe walk by the camera. So that was me walking by the camera. Maybe one of the more embarrassing


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[Assistant] I mean. Penesul. Yes, go through it. At the top there.


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[Assistant] Uh, Anzarique, right, Livia Anzarique, the big defensive tackle, second, uh, Elam McNeil, I think, yeah, Elam McNeil from North Carolina State, the defensive tackle. Yeah, one of my faves. Big corner from Syracuse, Melia Fanou, like hard names to say for me, I'm gonna get to know more as the time goes on, but you like their draft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Penesul had Pizza Hut boxes on his table. And at that point, I'm sure Dan Campbell said, he's one of ours. He's one of ours. He's gonna bite kneecaps. He's eating Pizza Hut pizza on draft night.


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[Assistant] And there was some talk that they could go quarterback, right? Yes. Like Jared Goff's probably not the long-term answer. Maybe they'll go quarterback there. They had Justin Fields on the board. Uhm, but no. They shored up the offensive line and they're constructing a team. You're right. It's just big dudes up front, right? You think that's gonna be how they're gonna do it.


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[Assistant] I have not had that feeling after a Lions draft in many, many years. I was pumped too. So excited that I walked around in my hat to try to look cool while my wife took a picture.


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[Assistant] Cause if you're not going to draft a quarterback, you might as well say, yeah, these quarterbacks are awesome. We would love to take these, come up and get them. These guys are great. That's every year now.


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[Assistant] No one did. No one did at the Lions spot. They got Penne Sewell, uh, number one, number seven overall. So you like the Gi- uh, the, the Lions. That made me happy. You also like the Giants. I did. That makes you and Pete happy. You know it. So they, uh, they crushed it in this draft. So you got two...


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[Assistant] Uh, first pick was, uh, a trade back. Yeah. Kaderious Tony. And then another trade back for the edge.


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[Assistant] Ojalari, uhm, see there are a lot of crazy names in this draft. There was a lot of crazy names. One of the more difficult name drafts in recent history. Uh, but that was the first time that Dave Gettleman had really traded back in a draft, right? He got some back, got a future first round pick for trading back and taking, uh, Kidarius Tome. Well, I think that's...


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[Assistant] Good question. I am really Nash. Our concerns about Kaderius Tony's route running ability overblown or legitimate. I've seen a lot of people say that he's too raw in his route running but I've seen others say he's one of the better route runners in this class. So what is it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you look at that first round pick in the context of, okay, what's the talent level difference between Devontae Smith, who went one pick before they were gonna go, and Kidarius Tony? How much of a difference is there, and is that difference


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[Assistant] I think the Bears are going to be terrible. Might be the worst team in the NFL. So the Giants, well done. You get the passing grade from Chris Simms. Three more teams you think did really well. And one of those teams is a team in the NFC East with the Giants.


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[Assistant] You think the Dallas Cowboys kicked it out of the park.


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[Assistant] I love that. I do. Pete's saying some of the chatter and the displeasure with the pick was that they wanted to go corner. Some Cowboys fans would rather have gone corner.


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[Assistant] There are other Cowboy fans that think that they're not necessarily very good at identifying good linebacker talent. Vander Esch has disappointed. Jalen Smith has disappointed. Uh, Halus Football Talk says will Micah Parsons and Jabril Cox make Jalen Smith and Leighton Vander Esch expendable next year?


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[Assistant] Two other teams and they're more specifically in addressing specific parts of their teams here. And one is the Chiefs and you like how they address their offensive line. They got Creed Humphreys.


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[Assistant] Uh, sent her out of Oklahoma, and then in, they got him in round number two, and they got the guard from Tennessee, Trey Smith, in round number six.


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[Assistant] Yes, I'm sorry, I'm pulling up my teams here. Uhm. You're second guessing, you don't think they did well. No, they did.


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[Assistant] That hamstrung us and they just totally, you're right, they totally overhauled their whole offensive line. It's amazing. Ah, Akersmo says, do you see the Chiefs moving away from a zone blocking scheme based on the strength of playing style of the new offensive line they drafted and traded?


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[Assistant] Uh, they're secondary. They got Caleb Farley. You love him. Number one corner, uh, has some back issues, but hopefully, you know, those aren't going to crop up in the NFL. They got him 22nd overall. And then Elijah Molden, the safety out of Washington in round number three.


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[Assistant] Let me talk about the undrafted free agency here. Trey Melton says, Chris, love the pod.


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[Assistant] Why do you think that, uh, Ardarius Washington went undrafted? So you had him, you got three guys in your rankings that went undrafted. You had your number four safety, that was Washington, went to the Ravens. Ravens, right, signed him, Pete, that's what is noted here. Of course they, of course they did. Of course they did. What do you think happened there?


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[Assistant] Good for him. That's a good spot. Although you didn't think it was like a great class of titans.


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[Assistant] So, uh, these aren't necessarily your noting him as questionable, they're just the Twitter sphere. And the analysts will be like, what are you doing there? So the Raiders probably had the first one of the night. Alex Leatherwood, the tackle out of Alabama, who you like. 17th overall. DJ K-Ray says, Mike Mayock is getting roasted. How bad was the Leatherwood pick?


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[Assistant] You know what it shows you is how you can set the narrative when you are one of these drafts?


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[Assistant] Analysts, right? The narrative is set so early.


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[Assistant] You can't really control the story as well. Mike Mayock's finding, finding that out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, last year he was there with a big whiteboard behind him with all their picks and they were all like.


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[Assistant] What about the Saints? End of the first round, questionable. Defensive end, Peyton Turner out of Houston, 28th overall. Second round, they got a linebacker who you're not enamored with, right, Pete Warner?


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[Assistant] This is a big one here, and I'm curious to get your thoughts on the Buccaneers going with Kyle Trask in round number two. Still had Kellen Mond on the board, right? Davis Mills still on the board, drafted shortly thereafter. Uh, but Kyle Trask going to


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[Assistant] Tampa. And do we have a picture too? Kristen, do we have a picture of Ka- Already wearing number 2!


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[Assistant] This year post-NFL career isn't enough to get, to put that on ice. Uh, what'd you, what'd you make of that, Kyle Trask, second round?


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[Assistant] Do you reckon there's any chance that Mon beats out Cousins this year? P.S. Love the pod. P.P.S.


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[Assistant] You guys always talk about the UK and London, about visiting there. What about coming to visit Sydney, Australia? I would love to do that. Pete, put it on the list. That's a long flight though. Send it to our boss. It'll just be part of the tour.


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[Assistant] And then they're gonna call up Kyle Shanahan and be like, we're finally ready to do it. Do you want Kurt Cousins? And he's like, we can't!


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[Assistant] Uh, what about Washington? So they had one pick that you might question. They had another pick that you're gonna love. Yeah. So they had, uh, the linebacker, Jamin Davis, out of Kentucky, 19th overall. Right. But then they got De'Ami Brown in the third round. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. So one more team that had a pick in the first round that you're not going to love, but picks later on that you might.


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[Assistant] The Panthers. J.C. Horne. Uh-huh. Eighth overall. Yep. Uh, out of South Carolina. You have not, you've, on this podcast, you've said you don't, you're not walking past interference, which is not a compliment to a defensive back. Nope. Uh, but they did get Terrace Marshall, the wide receiver in round two.


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[Assistant] And then the tight end from Notre Dame, Tommy Trimble, in round three. So some good with what you think was a bit of an overdraft. Some really good.


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[Assistant] I don't know if any quarterback has had a bigger upgrade this offseason than Sam Darnold.


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[Assistant] Going from the Jets and the weapons they had to now Carolina and the weapons they have. Pretty good.


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[Assistant] No, Trevor Lawrence goes from college wide receivers to pro wide receivers, so that's it.


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[Assistant] Last thing on the pod, we're going to do a little Bears Justin Fields talk here. Okay. Eberfluss1. Yea. How many years of job security does the move up for Justin Fields give Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy? Cause you didn't think they'd have license to draft a quarterback?


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[Assistant] Just an extra year is what I'm saying. One of the comments, uh, to us, we were both included on Twitter, was someone trying to crush you for having fields go 32. But we've seen that in the past, where if a...


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[Assistant] Uh, quarterback starts falling. There aren't many destinations for him. They said Trey Lance, that could have been the danger for him if the 49ers don't take him at three. I think his comment was, you had him going 32 where every other mock draft had him going top 10. How do you feel now? And I responded with,


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[Assistant] Well, so then Sims is the only one that had him going outside of the top 10. I was like, you called, you called that if every other draft had him going number three, number five overall, number eight overall. And so he did start to slide. And if the Bears don't take him there, it is really interesting to talk. I wonder where he goes.


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[Assistant] ADM27 says, I agree with your points on Justin Fields, but how could he find it tough to succeed with his throwing while Cam Newton has done well with his subpar throwing?


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[Assistant] The Bears have cut their left tackle, Charles Leno. Ooh, they cut him. He's been starting there for the last six seasons, so they've planned to play their second round pick, Tevin Jenkins from Oklahoma State. Wow.


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[Assistant] Love the pod guys, but that Zimmer Cousins ranking was a disgrace.


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[Assistant] No, I think, no, I've never been in a fight. Oh, okay. And in fact, the one time I had the opportunity to be in a fight, I didn't flee from it.


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[Assistant] I feel like that's the cool thing, and this is a gross generalization, but that's the cool thing about...


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[Assistant] I feel like guys can go through that and within an hour or two they're closer than they ever have been before.


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[Assistant] I've had a few people say that to me over the last week. I think 5 years ago, maybe 10 years ago, you do this list, people kinda give their opinion, like, I wouldn't do that, but it's all in good fun, right? Because that's what, like, who knows who's gonna have the, this is all your idea.


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[Assistant] This is not like someone's gonna get cut because you have them off the list.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's just too many angry people and I feel like they're all coming at you over this top 40 list.


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[Assistant] A lot of guesses, Pete says, nobody was right in the order.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yes. You're getting more hate for having an old man still as the top 10 quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So we'll go four through one. We'll see what kind of debate that sparks here. We also have WWE superstar, The Miz. Are we doing that? Are we going to put that at the end of this pod or is that like a separate video? No, it's the end of this pod. Okay. All right. Cause we're going to zoom with him, The Miz. Awesome. And we're going to go over the super brawl rankings.


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[Assistant] We got the top four. And let's begin with, uh, the top four with a number four, a controversial character here. Got off-season issues, obviously. We'll talk about that in a second, but here is Dashaun Watson.


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[Assistant] And like, let's be honest, these are serious allegations, you know, and from what the reporting has been, it could possibly be something that is extensive and has gone on for a while. Mike Floria wrote about it, so it's been nearly three months since his first


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[Assistant] It sucks, right? I mean, there's really no other way to put it. It sucks, it sucks for...


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[Assistant] Uhm, the alleged victims here, it sucks for everyone involved, and it sucks for a guy that, you know, I think we learned that you don't know every, you don't know everything about everyone, right? We see what they do on the football field, we don't know what goes on in the football field, and unfortunately it's hard for us to ever know. No. Uhm, sometimes the character of these players, but,


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[Assistant] What we're going to do on this show is we're going to evaluate the quarterback. That's right. And let the other stuff play out. Um, and, uh, and hopefully there's a, there's a resolution that's positive for everyone involved there, but, uh, but we're going to focus on the quarterback.


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[Assistant] And all that stuff, and all that stuff is still secondary. It's still secondary. It's still secondary to what's happening off the field. That's the most important thing in, in his life and the victim's life. And so uhm, this is secondary, but this is the top 40 quarterback list. And, and what he did, what he did last year was very impressive.


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[Assistant] He was 4 last year, so right where he was last year at the beginning of the year. He moved down to 6th in your November top 10 rankings where we saw a little bit of movement right there. Uhm, let's take a look at, uh, Kristen, have we shown his 2020 rank so exactly what he did last year? And, and, eh, you're right. It was, Pete notes here, 8.1.


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[Assistant] Under pressure, uh, yards per attempt was the best in the NFL. So when they, when they rushed him, he was very good. Now the one thing that he does have problems with you see was first and pass yards there in the NFL, first in yards per attempt. So they were, they were getting big chunk plays over and over and over again, doing it without,


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[Assistant] DeAndre Hopkins doing it without his head coach there for part of the year. So it was all on the shoulders of Deshaun Watson and on the football field, he was able to do well. The one thing that he,


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[Assistant] He was, uh, PFF noted in their rankings of all the quarterbacks. He was surrounded by the league's, uh, second least efficient running game, second least efficient overall defense last season. So it was like both sides of the ball. It was all on Deshaun Watson. Uh, do you think, you think this was his best year?


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[Assistant] Like, was this a career year? He's been good, up to this point, but was this the best one?


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[Assistant] Okay, who is it? Your boy Aaron Rodgers.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Deshaun Watson. 70% of their passes while also taking shots down field and big plays. Which is very impressive for Deshaun. That's the point.


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[Assistant] Alright, that is number four, and so we have hit now the top three.


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[Assistant] And I think everyone knows, by this point they should, who the three are.


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[Assistant] But they don't know the order. The only person who knows the order...


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[Assistant] Is Chris Sims. And you. And me. I'm looking at the rundown right here. But, but previously I did not know that. And...


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[Assistant] And, uh, and Matt Casey and Pete know the order as well. And probably the people that you told. Yes. But outside of that, no one knows. And there could have been some internal debates. Like some people think like you have this top 40 list and then a month ago and then we just release it. But no, you're always constantly


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[Assistant] Evaluating, reevaluating, does that include the top three here?


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[Assistant] There was a CBS story that talked about his, uh, his hero ball element from the game. Sure. And he said they've basically, he's basically eliminated that from his game. His turnover-worthy plays have gone from 5.1% as a rookie to 4% to then 3.5% last year. And so taking care of the ball, uhm. Taking care of the ball, let's just stop there. Yes.


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[Assistant] Look at the jump up. If you're watching on YouTube right now, you see 2018, 2019, and then 2020. He was last in completion percentage.


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[Assistant] You're right, they put it on his shoulder and it was something they hadn't done previously. They thought he could handle it and he not only handled it, he excelled, uh, and, and took him up to number two on your list here.


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[Assistant] Aaron Rodgers won the MVP last year and he had a historic year in a career that has been historic in 2020 and his season ranks are up there. So here's the thing. This list for you is not about can a guy do this for five more years.


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[Assistant] Is he going to be the better quarterback? Right now? In 2021. Exactly. Thank you. So you're saying you have a, you have a team, you have a, you have a team that you're drafting for, right? And Patrick Mahomes is off the board. And so you're sitting there at number two and you got one year to win the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] And you got the guy who just won the, you don't need Aaron Rodgers to be good in 2022, 2023, 2024. You just need him to be good in 2021. And even in that just one short year period.


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[Assistant] The experience that Rogers brings. All that. The playmaking ability of Josh Allen is just greater in your eyes to unseat Aaron. You would pass on Aaron Rogers and go Josh.


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[Assistant] Uh, so here's the last three years for Aaron Rodgers. One of his best, uhm, just last year.


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[Assistant] To get back into that top spot. Is there anything that could happen in 2021 where you say, you know what? I would take Aaron Rodgers over everyone after what I just saw.


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[Assistant] Alright, so Alan was 18th last year, moved all the way up to 5th in your November top 10 rankings. You've always been high. I'm Josh Allen. You've always thought that he could.


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[Assistant] I got a guy, Chris, who owns Biometrics. Is that you? No, it's not. Sorry. Uh, that came out last week. I did.


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[Assistant] Some more digital mapping of my mechanics, just making sure I'm staying on top of that and allowing my muscle memory to kind of take that in and stop reverting back to old ways. So here's an NFL quarterback who's been throwing his whole life, who is making sure he's doing biometric mapping of his motion, of his hips, of his arm. Because sequencing is a real thing.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's so important that he's bringing guys out and they're doing it every year, even after his best year ever. He's, he's...


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[Assistant] And he's got such a strong arm that you figure like of all people, he might just be like, I'm just going to use my, I don't need to really worry about the nitty gritty and all that. I've got the arm strength to overcome a bad, you know, bad mechanics. And he, and he still doesn't. And he knows that helps him his accuracy. And it certainly did. Um, last year now.


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[Assistant] They, they're offensively, you mentioned it. I mean, they put it on his shoulder. He still had the most play action yards of anyone in 2020, which you wonder, how do you, how do you get away with that? No one's really scared of their running game. Do you think that going into this year that


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[Assistant] They're going to need to, need to figure out some sort of, I mean, at some point teams just going to go like, all right, you really aren't going to run the ball.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because I mentioned that his rate of turnover-worthy plays has gone down each of the last three years, but Pro Football Focus noted that he still had the second most turnover-worthy plays. That's because they just threw the ball so much. He had more opportunities, so the sheer amount was still high just because they put it all on his shoulder.


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[Assistant] Well, that's a skill too, because he throws it so hard, maybe DBs can't catch it. I do think there is something to that. I was looking at odds for MVP, and there was a sport book. It was not our NBC Sports Points Bet Sports book, although I'm sure they have similar numbers here.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was the most popular ticket for uh, MVP, like who has gotten the most tickets, who's bought the most tickets, and Josh Allen is tied with Matthew Stafford, uh, as the number of tickets that they've sold.


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[Assistant] So according to this, yeah, I don't know what points bet is at right now, but according to this Allen's at like plus 1000 Stafford's at plus 2000. So it's a couple of quarterbacks that you're getting for good value. And I don't know if they're that Allen would be the favorite. I doubt he would be Mahomes and then it would be Rogers after that. And then maybe Brady. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uh, but Josh Allen's getting the share. Cause you get a little value with Josh Allen. I think that makes a whole lot of sense.


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[Assistant] Uh, as far as total money wagered, Alan is tied for second with Brady and Patrick Mahomes and Matthew Stafford. Uh, I thought this was interesting. According to this one sportsbook though, they've taken the most money.


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[Assistant] He's a top 4 MVP candidate and it's not a stretch to see how he could win it this year.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, he could almost fall into the Lamar Jackson trap.


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[Assistant] Right? Where Lamar Jackson was so good and you talked about it on the last pod with Paul.


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[Assistant] Where he was so good. Then this year was good, but nobody wanted to give it credit, cause it was like. Maybe they played a little differently, you know, and who knows how that affected the numbers, but the numbers might, like if they do change it, and they take some off of his plate, and they have a little bit better running game, and his numbers are down because of that,


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[Assistant] You look at him and be like, oh, he wasn't quite as good as he was last year. That could hurt him.


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[Assistant] He is special. He's more special, you think, going into this year than O'Aaron Rodgers, who you have at number three. Number two is Josh Allen. We've already mentioned it, but now let's officially, this is the official unveiling of the Woodford Reserve Bourbon top quarterback in the Chris Sims 2021 rankings. That man is.


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[Assistant] Uh, you of course had him on number one last year. Patrick Mahomes was number two in 2019. So two years in a row, number one Chris Sims quarterback. His completion percentage was 13th last year.


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[Assistant] Uh, but his, uh, passing yards were second in the league, yards per attempt fourth, touchdowns fourth.


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[Assistant] And touchdowns of 20 or more yards was first. He had 13 of those. Doesn't necessarily mean he threw the ball deep down the field, because I think there's a couple at least that Tyreek was able to take to the house. Probably a few, yeaah. There were some short passes. And that was the story early on with them, because they, for so long, have been a, you know, down the field, Patrick Mahomes on his right arm. They were a little more dink and dunk last year at times. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Right. And injuries on the offensive line, they've, they've tried to revamp that offensive line. Looks like they've done a pretty good job. So he should have more protection, uh, in 2021. Amazing job. Won't hit any snags in the road because of that. Pete thinks it's just snags. I guess snags. It does seem like there's something that with roads. I think there is something else, but.


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[Assistant] That was on nfl.com, the headline there. You find that true? I mean, there's not a whole lot of turnover there, I guess, Sammy.


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[Assistant] So we already know three and two are very close for you. Rogers and Josh Allen. And you just said that Allen's very close to Mahomes. So everyone's close here. Rogers is close to one. Mahomes is close to three. If Mahomes comes out and the toe's not totally there or something goes wrong.


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[Assistant] Like, this is not the situation where Mahomes was one last year, where he's gonna be one for the next five years. He's gotta prove himself!


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[Assistant] Congratulations, Patrick Mahomes. What do we send him? Do we send him the barrel top? Should we just send him that out there? You sign it.


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[Assistant] Take a deep breath. What do you think? Are you looking back on your list now? Yeah. And I know this, I know this from experience as a guy who did the super brawl and then questioned it immediately, uhm, with some of the rankings there. Your list, like, you feel good about it? You feel like anyone's going to make you look bad? Going through your list here. Well, I'm sure there's plenty that are gonna make


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[Assistant] We've gotten angry people of course here with Brady at 10, uh, I think there's some people, the funny thing for me is that when you see someone comment, they go, Derek Carr, 14, are you serious? And I don't quite know if they mean, should he be higher or should he be lower? Oh I know, you get either way, right. I don't quite know what they mean by that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I think you get the most back and forth, like 10 through 20. Cam Newton, a lot of people wondering. Yeah, it's a tough one, right? I know. I think he's too high still. Yes. On the other page it was Taysom Hill. People think he's too high. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And he went three and one! Exactly. But he was the pick. I don't understand.


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[Assistant] We'll see, right? How they, how they perform in 2021. Although that's not the end all be all because it's hard to separate the quarterback from his context a lot of time, but that's what we try to do here. Uh, what we also try to do is make people as mad as possible with any number of lists. My super brawl list got people angry. Uh, now it's time for Pete.


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[Assistant] So, I'm excited for this. Alright, he's got- Is this his first ever list?


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[Assistant] No, I think he's done one before. He did one other list. No, yes, he did a, he did a top beards list. Remember that last year? It was horrible. Where we revealed it in the opposite, didn't we reveal it in the opposite or no? You gave it to us in no particular order.


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[Assistant] Not a great history, not a great history of lists for Pete. So producer Pete's got number 10, who he'd want to drink Woodford with, uh, Aaron Rodgers, who he notes as a Scotch drinker. But he wonders if he would complain about work too much. He would spend too much time complaining about his coworkers.


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[Assistant] Number nine for him, Ryan Fitzpatrick. He says, guaranteed smart convo. He goes, he went to Harvard. People forget that, but he did go to Harvard. Uh, plus he knows how to let loose. Do we have a picture of it? Oh yeah, that's right. Oh, that's right.


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[Assistant] His, no shirt, but he has a zip up that he has zipped down basically the whole way. That's the Shawn Jackson's clothes. So he would at least have the party vibe.


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[Assistant] I would say keep it now. You just keep it. That's yours now. You've touched it with your chest hair and now it's yours. Number 8 for him is Lamar Jackson. He goes, now that Mahomes is a dad, Lamar is the most objectively cool quarterback in the league. Just like a cool guy.


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[Assistant] Number seven is Joe Burrow, cause he says that he loves a cigar with his whiskey. And will you remember that? Back when he won the national championship with LSU. There's the picture. How dare he smoking in


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[Assistant] Who knows? Uh, number six, Mac Jones. Interesting. The rookie getting some love here for Pete. He goes, uh, I love a cigar with my whiskey and wouldn't feel out of shape standing next to him. So he's thinking like a wingmanish.