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[Assistant] I'm not going to say any brand, but he brought a brand of rain gear that is mostly a fishing brand of rain gear.


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[Assistant] And it got destroyed by the vegetation. And so he ends up getting soaked. He shoots his bull. It's now snowing slash raining. And by the time he gets part way through the gutless method, he's got.


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[Assistant] All the things you talk about, you know, the onset of.


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[Assistant] But from his story, it's getting to the point of not just the onset of hypothermia, it was


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[Assistant] And he eventually made it out to where his hunting partner and his son were waiting for him. He's out of water, he's shaking, he can't talk, uh, and they took him to the ER and, uh,


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[Assistant] So, and then he went on to listen to, er, list all the things that he felt he'd done wrong.


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[Assistant] It would be easy for me or you or someone who's been doing this a long time to say, well yeaah, you know, da da da. But, I think when you approach this as someone who


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[Assistant] Hey, this is what I've learned from watching videos, from what I've read, from, you know, going to seminars, whatever it might be. There still is a lot more to it than.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, eh, there were some things this guy did right though, once things turned. Like he, he kept his wits about him.


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[Assistant] Avoiding the, the tendencies, you know, it's hard to understand, but everybody says that when you get hypothermic to that degree, you make bad decisions and eventually you make not just bad, but life ending decisions. So he didn't do that. It sounds like he didn't panic.


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[Assistant] Uh, he kept moving when he knew he was cold and hypothermic, uh, and when he got lost,


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[Assistant] Or got turned around, as he said, he didn't panic. So he did some things right. That probably saved his life.


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[Assistant] And now he's, he's reflecting on, on all of it and I, I get that.


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[Assistant] And he just, you know, summarizes it by saying that, I thought I was prepared enough for this hunt and I was not. I was not prepared for a storm of this magnitude. I forgot key pieces of clothing and gear, which in this country could be in my life or my death.


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[Assistant] I thought I was in good enough physical shape through weighted pack training and it sounds like he was, you know, not being able to, to really do it in the mountains as much. And then he says, I wasn't even close to being in good enough shape.


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[Assistant] I hope that by sharing my story, other new hunters do not make the same mistakes I did.


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[Assistant] Contributed to some of his misjudgements. I suppose, you know, you get antsy, you get a little bit of cabin fever and you say, I'm going out and I'm going to give it a heck today.


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[Assistant] So anyhow, with it being winter, you know, or the late season period of hunting in some of the states that still have seasons right now, Montana, we got a few weeks left, uh, some limited hunts in Wyoming and Idaho.


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[Assistant] I suspect there's a lot of people in Arizona who might not be accustomed to some of those surprise weather events that happen when you get up on the Mogollon Ram or up in the, you know, the higher country up there. And it just, it catches you off guard if you're not used to it, if you haven't lived it. So be safe, I guess.


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[Assistant] And be adventurous, like you said, you know, push yourself, but make sure you have a safety net.


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[Assistant] I think in this case, and I've seen this, not just in this person's situation, but,


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[Assistant] I never rely on electronic communication as my safety net.


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[Assistant] Because like where you were at in Alaska, if a cell phone was your quote unquote safety net.


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[Assistant] His buddy add radios, which a lot of states radios are legal and you know, you run out of batteries.


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[Assistant] That's, so, your mind is your true safety net.


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[Assistant] Don't make the false or I don't know if false is the right word, but don't, don't give yourself this false confidence in some electronic device. What's really going to get you through it is your mind and your fortitude and your ability to stay calm and, and maybe not get in that situation.


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[Assistant] To the point of no return. So when you feel that, hey, this is getting a little sketchy, uh, you know, don't go all the way out to the end of the plank.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, I think the purpose of that was to give people a reason to


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[Assistant] Think about it and kinda reassess their own checklists. Am I ready? Am I prepared? And hopefully.


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[Assistant] Hopefully we've accomplished that and all of you who sent in similar emails, uh, thanks for doing so because it, it is that reminder that stuff, stuff can go south and, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, there's not always 911 to come pull you out of the ditch. Yeah. Uh, we're in late season mode now, of course.


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[Assistant] I do. I would way rather hunt late season than post drive. I can't remember, in our last podcast, was I just getting ready to fly out and, uh, go take our sweepstakes winner?


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[Assistant] I'm unfortunately gonna miss. Well, where a mountain goat huntin', maybe I'll stumble across an oak. But.


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[Assistant] That's a huge challenge. That's a really huge challenge. Well, our friends Bo and Kirsten Beatty sent me a text yesterday.


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[Assistant] No, but uh, what do you think your Alaska story, you think people are, did you discourage people or did you encourage people to apply in Alaska with that story? You think it'll be a net?


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[Assistant] Uh, increase in interest or decrease in interest?


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[Assistant] And it's absolutely miserable hiking up there.


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[Assistant] I, I'll admit that there were times where I had this little bit of intrigue of, I know there are elk on some of these islands over there. I wonder if I should go do that.


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[Assistant] I just want people to know that the deadline for Alaska is December 15th, 5 o'clock Alaska Standard Time, so.


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[Assistant] If you want to, you got to be ahead of the game with Alaska. If you want all the details, go out to gohunt.com, sign up for their insider and you'd promo code ElkDoc. But, uh, I, uh, I, uh, just, just.


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[Assistant] Well, I thought maybe I should just call him and say, hey Donnie, I'm thinking of applying in Alaska.


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[Assistant] When it comes to non-resident allocation. And so they're Colorado Parks and Wildlife.


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[Assistant] Is taking comments about tag allocation discussion and.


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[Assistant] Whether that's gonna change the ratio between resident and non-resident, if it's gonna change the, uh, the, uh,


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[Assistant] I mean, you guys in Idaho, when did you guys go to this? What I'll call it.


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[Assistant] For next year, isn't December 1st your guys' day where you get to frustrate every non-resident who gets put, you know.


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[Assistant] Well, when that date comes out, I guess the point of bringing it up is folks be paying attention if Idaho's on your.


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[Assistant] I did the right thing, but I, I was out of town and when I got back to coverage, I had all these text messages. Did you get drawn into that junk heap called Idaho this shit today? What are you guys talking about? People were telling me their, their frustrations of.


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[Assistant] Our two most generous western states, Colorado and Wyoming, are feeling that


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[Assistant] They gotta start looking at this allocation of opportunity.


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[Assistant] We can argue the why or the what the problem is. Uh, the reality is we're getting more effective as hunters as our success rates increase.


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[Assistant] The United States has added 70 million people since 1990.


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[Assistant] And what are some of the fastest growing states? The Rocky Mountain States. Yeah, Idaho is number one right now.


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[Assistant] You guys are inundated right now. Colorado, Nevada, Utah, Arizona.


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[Assistant] Even Montana to some degree. I mean, I should have thrown Utah in here. I've, I've always been a big.


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[Assistant] I don't want to say big. I've always just told people that I don't get too excited about the over-the-counter elk hunting in Utah. Well.


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[Assistant] That's turned into such a high demand debacle for the tags they have.


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[Assistant] That they're now going to reform that system for the next year or so.


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[Assistant] As these western states grow in population, the ability for state agencies to be as generous with non-residents as they have been, just goes away. I don't know any other way to say it.


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[Assistant] So you add 70 million people across the country, with a lot of them landing in the Rocky Mountain states. It eats up more habitat, which makes probably less wildlife. In spite of all of our efforts towards conservation, it still is having an impact.


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[Assistant] It puts a lot more people out in the woods, whether they hunt or don't hunt. I mean, look at the studies in Colorado of quote unquote non-consumptive users and the impact that's having on Alkarts.


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[Assistant] Montana seems to be ground zero in that. Uh, so a lot of people have been displaced from those private ranches where they knew somebody, you know, the family that might have been there for generations, just, you know, they had to sell.


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[Assistant] All of this puts more and more people on the remaining accessible public land and it creates


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[Assistant] More demand for tags in the very first place that.


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[Assistant] Friction gets settled out as the resident versus non-resident allocation. I don't know how else to say it.


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[Assistant] I usually don't, as much as in public land issues, I get involved in conservation issues and use our platforms towards that. We've had a state-based system.


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[Assistant] Should be decided by those residents. And I'll deal with whatever they come up with. And uh,


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[Assistant] For all of us to try to tell other states what to do. Maybe I'm wrong in that. Some people will say, oh, but it's federal land. We should all have a say.


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[Assistant] You and I have talked about this many times, but since we know that that discussion is coming,


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[Assistant] We may as well just remind people that the land might be federal, even though most of it's not. You know, in Montana we're one third federal, two thirds.


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[Assistant] But the point of it is, is the wildlife is separate from the land. It's not connected to the land in any way. So the state gets to manage the wildlife and the landowner, whoever that is, private, state or federal, gets to manage the land. There's, there's no


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[Assistant] Real connection to opportunity or tag allocation based on land ownership.


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[Assistant] So anyhow, I just thought I'd bring that up because I don't think the issue is going to get.


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[Assistant] Less controversial i think it's gonna get more controversial and uh.


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[Assistant] I, I don't blame the residents of Colorado and Wyoming for wanting more resource allocated to them.


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[Assistant] They live there. They pay taxes there. They probably do a lot of the local on the ground conservation volunteerism. They're probably the ones that public hearings and legislative sessions allocate or advocating for the wildlife in that state.


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[Assistant] I'd have a pretty hard time arguing that they shouldn't get a better shake. Yeah. Other than in Wyoming.


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[Assistant] Brings home an emphasis and importance on


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[Assistant] We gotta just keep doing it and keep working at it because there's an awful lot of pressures that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Minum River, I think it's called. Uh, it's two phases, as I understand it. The one that's gonna close, uh, in the next week, it'll close.


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[Assistant] The total project is over 15,000 acres and, uh, it's near the Eagle Cap wilderness. I wasn't familiar with the Eagle Cap until this announcement came out and I started researching.


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[Assistant] 15,000 acres, classic habitat for wintering ground for all kinds of species, but then also the amount of access that provides to other places, other pieces of public land. So.


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[Assistant] Another part of the importance is we have these discussions about allocation of opportunity.


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[Assistant] If we aren't doing the heavy lifting and helping with the groups and the, and you know, the effort, however someone contributes to it with their volunteerism, their money, some combination of all of it, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, just the wintering, uh, elk herd in this thing, I guess it's gonna be managed as a state, uh, wildlife area. Uh, but they say right now, uh, it, it winters 1,400 elk. So, that's, uh.


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[Assistant] Hey, you know, those are just things that when you see them pop up, one is as big as them.


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[Assistant] I don't know, how do you pronounce that? Minum or Minum? Minum. Minum. Minum. Minum. Minum. Okay. So, uh, that's just


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[Assistant] Our, when I say our, it's the work of an awful lot of people putting their shoulder to the wheel and creating a very large landscape level conservation project that


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[Assistant] Gonna be helpful for wildlife and huge help for, uh, public access.


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[Assistant] It depends on, uh, by weapon type, by season, and by species.


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[Assistant] Like I'll use an example in Arizona. Arizona has this thing where it's this, their management framework says if more than 20% of the harvest is by archery,


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[Assistant] They cranked down the archery techs. So they've had huge spikes in success rates since 2015.


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[Assistant] In their archery success, I mean like it went from eight, nine, 10% up into the high teens.


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[Assistant] And so I'm, I'm looking at that. I'm looking at Wyoming. Uh, their elk success rates, uh, compared to 10 years ago or 20 years ago are,


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[Assistant] And you put more and more pressure on elk and move them to...


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, oh, Montana, we have some of the lowest success rates, cause, you know, it,


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[Assistant] New Mexico, Wyoming, Nevada, they manage very conservatively for the quality of the experience. Montana, they manage for...


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[Assistant] And so that's why we have such low success rates. Um, but then I think also I should say management philosophies probably play into some of that. In Montana, when you have hordes of people descending on groups of elk, they quickly find out where they don't, you know, where are the properties where they don't get shot at? So excess hunting pressure can, I think,


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[Assistant] Reduce success rates in terms of both just you have such a large denominator that.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean where I live in Montana, there's a herd of elk that come through.


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[Assistant] Either my yard or the neighbor's yard every winter. And, uh.


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[Assistant] They aren't getting shot at and so the farmer, you know, my neighbor across the road, he's got 120 acres of Alfalfa.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that's, that's happening in a lot of places. And you know, in Montana, the other thing we're about ready to embark on is we're going to start expanding our cow hunts and shoulder seasons onto the public land. So.


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[Assistant] Our elk that are well behaved and stay up on the public and, you know, later on migrate down into the foothills.


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[Assistant] They're not the ones that the landowners are complaining about.


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[Assistant] The ones the landowners are complaining about are sleeping underneath the irrigation pivot or tearing the fence down. Well, those are the ones that we won't have any access to. So let's kill the well-behaved ones.


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[Assistant] And say we did something good while we didn't do anything to the ones that are the problem. So that happens.


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[Assistant] Cause I'm, I'm pretty harsh critic too. I, I'm all about.


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[Assistant] Uh, but we've tried some of these things in Montana before and they were complete failures.


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[Assistant] But I don't know, maybe the reason they were failures is we just didn't try hard enough. We didn't kill enough of the good elk.


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[Assistant] I think if they were easy answers, Corey, we would have solved them a long time ago. And that's, I go back to another thing of where.


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[Assistant] The, the way it gets solved in Montana is going to be way different than it gets solved in New Mexico versus Nevada versus Colorado.


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[Assistant] And you were, you made a really good point about how your Oahe country and southwest desert of, of Idaho is so much different than your Panhandle country.


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[Assistant] And I think you guys did a really good thing by deciding to manage your elk.


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[Assistant] You look at Southeast Montana, which is mostly private, Ponderosa, Rolling Hill country with a lot of agriculture. Compare that to Northwest Montana where we, you know, or we're on a boundary with you guys in your panhandle where it's just thick, wet rainforest, mostly public land.


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[Assistant] To try manage those diverse landscapes where the one size fits all.


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[Assistant] You guys are seeing it so, so intensely. When I drive through Idaho, it's like, holy cow, I thought Bozeman was growing. Your whole state has grown like that.


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[Assistant] We look at, look out the front mirror or front windshield.


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[Assistant] I just am worried about this goat hunt. And in terms of, goat hunts are never easy.


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[Assistant] Have we solved all of today's problems? Let's save some for tomorrow.


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[Assistant] All the rules for the current hunt giveaway, sweepstakes that's going on, it's the hunt with all the gear package and all kinds of stuff. Uh, if you go to armyf.org forward slash win a hunt, uh,


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[Assistant] All you gotta do is sign up to be an RMEF member, uh, and you're in the draw. So. Man, that's a.


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[Assistant] Talked about, you know, when he was my age, blah, blah, blah, so I don't know, maybe, maybe my cromogenous ways, uh,


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[Assistant] If you don't want me to go on the hunt, I'll send Marcus or somebody or Michael or whatever. So. Yep.


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[Assistant] Uh, go to the RMEF website, rmef.org or even if you do Google, you just type in RMEF win a haunt as separate words and poof, it takes you right to that link on the website. So, and I think we're running it through December 7th.


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[Assistant] Whatever state they want to apply for, we apply them there.


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[Assistant] So, yeaah. No, not open to you. None of my employees. None of my family. Too bad for all them.


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[Assistant] Well, there you go. Yeaah. Sounds to me like you're gonna have a lot to do in between your basketball practice. I'm gonna keep busy.


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[Assistant] Found out from the gaming fish wardens that, hey, you know, you were supposed to take that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're, you're, you're doing it right. You're, you're going to the class in advance. Oh yeah. In Montana, it's just, you know, everything in Montana we do is remedial. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And he should have got a ticket and just paid the fine, but no, he didn't even get a ticket. So yeah, that's.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations, so we usually go down some rabbit holes, but- If you hunt with Cory J.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is also brought to you by Mountain Ops, making outdoor energy and performance nutrition to make you a stronger and healthier elk hunter.


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[Assistant] They have a full line of hunting related supplements, including meal replacement shakes, multivitamins, pre-workout fuel, and post-workout recovery. And my favorite, their new performance protein bars that by the way are packed with 270 calories and 20 grams of protein, but contain less than six grams of sugar.


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[Assistant] And we have a promo code for Gerber as well. Just use the code ELKTALK to save 20% on your orders at gerbergear.com.


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[Assistant] Lastly, the University of Elk Hunting online course is a proud partner of the Elk Talk podcast. And within the University of Elk Hunting online course, you're going to find nearly 60 chapters organized in 17 modules of elk hunting instruction aimed at making you a more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] Just visit elk101.com and use the promo code ELKDOC to save 20% when you sign up for a membership to the University of Elk Hunting online course.


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[Assistant] I'm good. I was wondering if I was going to make it into the office this morning due to, uh, the 12 inches of snow we got overnight. What? 12? Yeaah. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And uh, yeaah, we ended up, I shoveled snow last night by hand for a little bit and probably had 8 inches and then got up this morning and there's a good 4 inches on top of what I shoveled, so.


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[Assistant] And then we've got David Brinker who I think most of our podcast listeners probably know from episode three or four or something. He was one of our first guests.


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[Assistant] We'll leave that discussion for another day, but we're here to, uh, Peaks Equipment was a sponsor, is a sponsor of Destination Elk V4, uh, which is launching Monday, January 24th at 6 o'clock PM on the Elk 101 YouTube channel. And we thought it would be fun to get.


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[Assistant] Uh, Bryce and David on here representing Peaks, uh, but also Bryce, uh, representing Team Peaks, who was a part of, uh, Destination Elf, one of the teams from this year's series. So, long introduction, but welcome Bryce, welcome David. Thank you. Thanks.


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[Assistant] Better weather, better lighting. It was just, it was stellar the first 24 hours we were there.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, the next five days turned into a nightmare. But you know, we took the, we took the TP Bryce, uh, got a hold of me before we left and said, Hey, I'd love for you to test this if you feel comfortable.


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[Assistant] And dry things out and then we just had our little one man tents to sleep in.


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[Assistant] And as I alluded to in the previous podcast, we couldn't get a fire going because all the wood up there was just saturated wet. So the tent, the teepee, you know, it was, uh, put up on the first evening we were there and it was taken down on the last afternoon when we left.


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[Assistant] We got a fire for about 20 minutes one day to go in there and that was it. But with that being said, it was torrential rain. We got 12 inches of rain in five days. We had wind for about 48 hours that was just crazy blowing sleet and rain sideways. And we didn't even have to tighten down the teepee. It withstood all of that.


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[Assistant] Stayed straight up and that was pretty awesome. So I mean we did get to test it, we just didn't get to use it like we wanted to and that was no fault of the tent or the stove, that was the fuel source.


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[Assistant] And that's the only reason we got the fire going for the 20 minutes we did was we had put a bunch of wood in there. We actually split the wood. It had a little hatchet. We split the wood and these are little chunks, you know, two inch diameter chunks of wood.


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[Assistant] I was told, hey, we really want your input on this. We really want some feedback. And I was super excited to get my hands on one early, but it sounds like we're close enough to the launch. I'll probably just have to buy one off the website.


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[Assistant] You know, that's one of the things that I think, I'd never used a teepee before, or a stove. And when you offered it, my first thought was, we're planning to be in the Alaska backcountry for 10 days, we have to be completely self-sufficient in a backpack.


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[Assistant] And adding a TP in a stove to our group system probably doesn't fit in weight wise. And I don't remember the exact weight, but you've got a center pole, you've got the TP, we took a floor, we took the stove, the stove pipe, all of that. And the total weight was minimal.


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[Assistant] One of the things I think that adds to the structure of the TP is the integration of the trekking poles. And I was worried about leaving the TP for, you know, days on end without the trekking poles because obviously during the day we have to use them. And if it's raining and windy and we're out using them, you know, how's that going to work?


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[Assistant] Uh, it is awesome. It's, you know, those trekking poles, how they create some of the structure of the TP, uh, it just makes it that much stronger. You don't have to carry any extra weight and you utilize, like you said, each piece kind of supports each other. And I'm sure that the lighting, everything will kind of integrate into.


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[Assistant] To building that experience in that system, that complete system.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. They don't trust me with information and I haven't even said anything. I talked to Randy on a regular basis and he didn't know about any of this. That's how, that's how good I am at keeping a secret. Randy finds out something 20 hours ago and the whole world knows. So.


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[Assistant] No, to go back to the comfort thing and the minimalist thing, you know, when I was in high school and college, especially like shed hunting, I would go for a full day. Sometimes I wouldn't even take a bottle of water.


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[Assistant] I would take a Snickers bar and.


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[Assistant] A Twinkie and in a little fanny pack or a minimal little, you know, 1200 cubic inch backpack and all that would be in there would be some twine to wrap antlers up with and put it on there. And I was in my basketball shoes. I didn't even have any kind of boots with traction. And that was because I wanted to be the lightest I could and just go.


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[Assistant] And so when things like GPS units and binoculars and range finders and things like that started coming out.


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[Assistant] I didn't use those either. I wasn't going to carry binoculars for archery hunting. I didn't need them. They were, they were heavy. They were an anchor. Um, you know, but then.


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[Assistant] And shed hunting, you know, I started using binoculars and realizing I could cover a whole hillside across the canyon without actually walking across the canyon and hiking on that hillside. And it improved my, my success.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I was hesitant with, with trekking poles when they first started becoming popular. Not even, even before they were popular. Uhm, just because I thought if I have them and I need them, I'll use them, but I'm not going to pack them for six days and not ever need them.


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[Assistant] They're in my pack every day now. And so I think there's a, there, there is a learning curve and experience curve, uh, where we are hesitant to add more gadgets and more gear. And is it really worthwhile? Is it worth packing a set of trekking poles in my backpack for six days to use them for four hours when I pack out an elk on the last day of the hunt?


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[Assistant] Uh, and the answer is yes, it is. And I've also found that now I use them pretty much every day. I might not use them while we're actively hunting, but as soon as it gets dark and I'm hiking out, the boat goes on the backpack, the trekking poles come out and it makes life easier. And so.


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[Assistant] Uh, I was never one to wear gaiters. Gaiters keep my boots dry now. You know, they, they keep the pant leg dry. They keep the sock dry, which keeps inside of my boot dry. And so.


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[Assistant] There's just, they're little comfort things and I think we just have to recognize what


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[Assistant] What do they add in convenience or in experience?


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[Assistant] And what is the downside as far as having them with you all the time? And realistically, you know, what you guys are doing is taking away the downside of having them with you all the time so that you're able to recognize the benefit a lot more rapidly.


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[Assistant] If your backpack is 40 pounds and you weigh 200 pounds, you're carrying 240 pounds. If you lose 10 pounds...


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[Assistant] And now you can carry 50 pounds of gear. It's not the same. I mean, you're still putting 50 pounds on your shoulders and back.


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[Assistant] Which your weight, you know, might have been sitting lower, probably was sitting lower. So there is going to be, you know, don't just lose 10 pounds, strengthen the areas of your body that are going to need to carry it. And for me, I've always been, I mean, when I, when I graduated college, I weighed 172 pounds.


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[Assistant] When I say working out, I started going to the gym lifting weights, which I'd never really done before. And then I started doing triathlons and I got down into the high 160s. Still, you know,


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[Assistant] Much stronger than I'd ever been, but also much leaner. And I set a goal for myself that by the end of last year, the end of 2021, I wanted to weigh 200 pounds. I've never been over 192 pounds in my life. And I thought I want to get up to 200 pounds. And the reason why is I wanted to bulk up.


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[Assistant] And increase my strength, which I've never done, and then start really working out hard. So I hit 202 pounds on New Year's Eve.


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[Assistant] What muscles are we going to be using? What's going to be fatiguing on us fastest?


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[Assistant] And when we go to the gym, it's not always bench press and biceps that are going to benefit us. Uh, you know, core and legs and back, those are kind of the primary things that we use every day and focusing on strengthening those while maybe trimming down the midsection or something.


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[Assistant] In conjunction with that, it does allow us to carry more weight and to be stronger and to enjoy the experience a lot more. Was that to humiliate me, Corey?


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[Assistant] Well, you were invited to be a part of it, but then you failed to draw a tag and Bryce decided to go a different direction, I guess.


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[Assistant] People involved, but this year we decided to go kind of a different route instead of following Donnie and I for seven straight days every day. You know, some of those days are pretty boring and


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[Assistant] Uh, see their different personalities and characteristics and backgrounds and how they've learned to survive out there. And there's so much value in that and entertainment value as well. And so we kind of took the same approach for Destination Health this year. We have seven teams.


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[Assistant] And each team consists of two hunters and one camera guy.


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[Assistant] And they, they go to all sorts of different areas. So we're hunting, you know, the Oregon coast, we're hunting the.


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[Assistant] Central Montana, wide open, we're hunting the high country of Montana, we're hunting the high country of Idaho, we're hunting, uh, the mid-country, mid-mountain in Idaho, so different states, uh, different terrains, and then with seven different teams, you get different hunting styles, you get different, uh,


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[Assistant] Personalities and, and all of that. And so you get to bounce around this season from one camp to the next, you know, so it might be a three or four minute segment of.


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[Assistant] in, in that little segment, but then you bounce over to Randy and his hunting partner Michael in central Montana and there's a group of 200 elk that they're chasing out across the prairie.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then you bounce over to, uh, Bobadian and Marcus and they're packing in with llamas and they're into some intense bugling action and so,


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[Assistant] We're getting to see all these different things in one episode, so it gives us a lot more, I think, educational value, it gives us more entertainment value, and it keeps us, uh, so we're able to highlight action a lot more and not have as much downtime in an episode. So we're, we're sitting at 17 episodes.


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[Assistant] Over there at that YouTube channel, there's a little box for a live chat and we're just going to be there answering questions and


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[Assistant] And all of those hard drives showed back up to John with, he wasn't there. So he had to go through every one of those hard drives, watch the footage, pull out each day. So each episode is a half day hunt. So the first episode of the hunt will be the morning of day one. Second episode is going to be the evening of day one.


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[Assistant] Third episode will be the morning of day two and so on all the way to the end of the eight days and John had to go through and watch all of the footage from each group.


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[Assistant] Structured in a calendar style, you know, so over the morning of their first day of hunting, he's pulling out the highlights of that hunt and then he's doing the same thing for the next group.


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[Assistant] Then he has to compile it all in a way that, you know, we don't want all the action up front and then three boring segments after that. So we organized each set or each episode, uh, so it'd leave a cliffhanger at the end. So, you know, one group might be into a bowl and have it scream in a hundred yards away at noon and.


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[Assistant] Then that episode ends and we don't get to see what happens in that until the next episode, so.


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[Assistant] We, uh, we're launching the episode 1 on Monday the 24th at 7 o'clock, but then, uh,


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[Assistant] We'll maybe pull the curtain back a little bit here, and Elk Talk Podcast listeners will be the only ones that are gonna get this information, but we're going to release a bonus episode. Episode 2 is going to launch right after episode 1, so at 8 o'clock, uh, Monday night, they get a bonus episode, which


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[Assistant] It's one of my favorite episodes. Uh, we've, we've found a musician. David, have you, have you heard of Jesta James?


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[Assistant] And you can see a lot more detail, including the full schedule of each episode. So that was a really long, really long introduction there. But one of the other things to go along with our launch is we are teaming up with Peaks to do a really cool promotion. So Bryce, if you want to talk a little bit about that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that giveaway is in conjunction with Destination Elk, so make sure, I'm guessing they can go to your website, Bryce, and just sign up for an email.


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[Assistant] All you really need now, you just need a headlamp that'll allow you to track blood after dark and then hunters will be set.


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[Assistant] Man, I can see. Don't look, don't look at it when it's set that high. The uh, cook stoves that utilize and integrate lighting to boil water. Man, we're, I can see all sorts of cool stuff coming out of this.


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[Assistant] They have to be designed different to handle a different level of abuse.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, uh, it's hard because hunting season comes and we're so excited to share it and then we get this like three month lull as we're editing it and it's, it becomes work. Like I am so tired of watching


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[Assistant] And, uh, it wouldn't be possible to do that if we didn't have companies like Mountain Ops and Peaks and the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and Yeti, uh, who, who sponsor that and make it possible. Cause when you add up, uh, eight days of hunting for seven groups, that's 56 days in the field.


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[Assistant] Uh, with film permits and nine camera guys and making sure John at least gets a break to have dinner every night and has a little bit of cash to pay for that dinner to edit everything. It's not cheap.


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[Assistant] And, uh, those, those companies, including Peaks make that possible. So grateful Bryce and David for your involvement and, and a partnership on that and grateful that you were able to.


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[Assistant] Come on and share some of the, uh, upcoming excitement within the business and within the brand.


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[Assistant] Wish you the best of luck here. I know there's some other cool things we're going to be able to talk about in the near future, so I'm excited to come back around and do that.


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[Assistant] Very cool. You're looking for, uh, you've got a lot of points, don't you?


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[Assistant] I don't know, that's a, it's probably just a, an urban legend or something that...


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[Assistant] Putting hunters and hunters at the front of your mind as you're designing these products and like Ben talked about, we haven't had necessarily a brand in the hunting industry that we can turn to for some of these items. So it's good to know that our money is going into a brand that


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[Assistant] Supports what we love to do rather than some of these other companies that are taking the money we give them for trekking poles and headlamps and putting it into the fight against hunting, so.


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[Assistant] It's good to have Peaks Equipment to support and forward to chatting again soon about new technology and innovation.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. To become a member, go to rmef.org.


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[Assistant] The podcast is also brought to you by Gerber, uh, go to gerbergear.com and learn about the knives, the vital, the big game vital, the gated premium, all the things that we use when we're out in the woods and not just knives, but also some really cool multi tools that they have.


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[Assistant] Worktalk Podcast is also brought to you by GoHunt.com. Uh, go to GoHunt.com and sign up for the Insider. The Insider is changing how hunts and hunting information are found. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Use promo code ALKTOCK and when you do, when you sign up for the insider, you're going to get $50 of store credit, mad money, in their gear shop.


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[Assistant] 20 minutes versus 2 hours. So what's an hour and 40 minutes of your time worth? Oh, it's worthless. My time is worthless.


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[Assistant] But I do like shoveling and blowing snow. I've, my wife bought a snow blower that


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[Assistant] When the wind really blows south of town here and I get drifted in like these three foot drifts.


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[Assistant] I go over to the shop and I break out the big Honda, man, and the neighborhood is like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, so if I'm not doing anything that day, I'm just like, I've been going up and down the streets and the driveways and helping people blow, you know, just wherever. And, uh, I do take payment in the form of ginger cookies. So, yeah.


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[Assistant] But I, yeah, uh, people think my wife has a really cool walleye boat. Wait till they see her snowblower. She is like, ooh, she's a...


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[Assistant] But I don't understand why she calls it her snowblower when...


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[Assistant] The only time she uses it is to say, hey Randy, get out there and blow that snow.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So, you know, you're supposed to get those things serviced every so often. And she's like, well, you should take that thing into town and get it serviced at Ace Hardware. Like I can't load that thing up.


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[Assistant] So now she's on the, the, like, subscription plan, where they come out to the house and they march it, and it's a big track one. They march it right onto their trailer and they take it into town and do their, whatever they do to it.


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[Assistant] And then they bring it back with a great big invoice. The invoice is so big, the UPS man has to deliver it. It won't go standard mail.


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[Assistant] Well, if the UPS man couldn't get to our house, I think my wife, she wouldn't have her three time a day smile. I don't know. I think she orders stuff just because she likes visiting with the UPS delivery person.


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[Assistant] Like okay. And she stands there with the door most of the way open for 20 minutes visiting with the lady who's running the UPS truck.


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[Assistant] But she's certainly getting close to a prepper.


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[Assistant] Someday we're gonna downsize and the world is gonna be the beneficiary.


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[Assistant] Whatever the hourly rate is, nobody would, they'd quit after a day.


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[Assistant] So, a year ago, the GoHunt guys invited me down to Vegas and said, hey, you sent us this like Christmas list, this wish list of what you would want for e-scouting. What kind of tools would you want?


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[Assistant] And then I fly down there and they're like, Oh, guess what Corey put on his list. I'm like, I can't even imagine.


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[Assistant] So, they start looking at our, our lists and they come up with, they start working on a bunch of these things.


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[Assistant] And if you have GoHunt Insider right now, you're probably going to log into your account today.


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[Assistant] Two little mountain peaks, and it says terrain analysis.


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[Assistant] This is the first of many tools that they're building.


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[Assistant] So that's what you've been doing. And you keep adding all of these ideas about how you're going to use it for shed hunting. And the world knows I'm not a shed hunter.


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[Assistant] Whatever you want to call it, antler collector, antler hunter, what's the proper term?


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[Assistant] So you bring to that that whole thing that I'd never even think about and then how much archery hunting you do compared to what I do, so. But, I'm sitting here with the terrain tool.


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[Assistant] And I know the elevation bands, I use those a ton. Because in rifle seasons anyhow, the post-ret and the late season, we know that the bulls are going to be on the transition range.


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[Assistant] Well, if you know what the transition range is, like right here on this Colorado hunt I was doing, I knew the transition range was probably 9,500 feet, you know, 800 feet above that or 800 feet below that.


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[Assistant] But it was a really warm year, so I knew they were going to be on the upper end of that transition range, so I said, alright, between 10, 5, and 11,000, what's it look like?


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[Assistant] It eliminates so much of the place where they aren't.


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[Assistant] And for me, that's what e-scouting is, is get rid of the places where they aren't and focus on the places where they are. And life gets a whole lot easier.


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[Assistant] It does. Your efficiency really goes up. And uh, so I'm looking at this.


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[Assistant] A hunt I did in 2020 down in Colorado. And I thought, I wonder what this new terrain tool would tell me about where to go. I said, all right.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna take a really wide elevation band to start with. 9,500 to 12,000 feet. I'm gonna take slopes that are probably, this is deep country, so what's the 5 to 15 degree slope area where I know they're gonna prefer to bed?


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[Assistant] And then I want everything that faces northwest, north, or northeast because I know it was a warm year that year and they're, in the daytime they're just heading to get some shade. And I did that. And all the bulls I saw while scouting,


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[Assistant] And the bowl I killed is right in the middle of one of those green highlighted areas. That's like, huh. Maybe I do something right once in a while. Might have just been a lucky, you know, wild guess, but.


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[Assistant] According to this terrain analysis tool, that's exactly where these elk should have been based on what I know about elk.


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[Assistant] The conditions or the, the landscapes where I'm seeing elk. Okay, if I'm seeing elk at 8,000 feet.


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[Assistant] How do I figure out where are these other bands in the transition range? It'll be about 8,000 feet that have these general characteristics of this slope, this aspect of which


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[Assistant] Okay, how do I copy and paste that, in effect, through the same aspects or same criteria that I'm sorting?


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden my map is like, Randy, if you weren't so lazy.


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[Assistant] And you would have walked up that trail where there's, because this one I, when I click on the 25 to 35 degree slope in Colorado.


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[Assistant] It shows the trail going right through that. I'm like, that's why I was so tired when I got to camp because there's about a half mile stretch. It's really steep, but then it flattens out.


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[Assistant] And that probably explains why I didn't have any other competition in there, is most people looked at that steep stretch and said, heck with that.


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[Assistant] I'm like, you know, Randy, if you weren't such a wuss, then you would have climbed up that steep stretch just about a mile and a half further over.


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[Assistant] Too easy to eliminate the places where they are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. And, I mean, I'm looking at this unit in Colorado. It eliminated about 70% of the turf.


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[Assistant] But you know what? You still gotta go in and find which of those hundreds of other locations, maybe thousands of locations that are still, still highlighted in green.


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[Assistant] You gotta go there and you, you gotta do what you're gonna do. You know, you gotta hoof it in there. You gotta figure out how to get em.


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[Assistant] And there's going to be some of these places highlighted in green, but guess what? They're just not in there. Just like there aren't going to be shed antlers there. But the idea is to increase your efficiency of your time and your effort to the places that have a greater likelihood. Doesn't mean they're going to be there, but.


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[Assistant] And it doesn't mean that the other places that aren't highlighted in green won't have some elk. There will be elk in those other places.


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[Assistant] But it's about finding the places they're most likely to be. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Type programs, and like you said, color this and screenshot that. I look at what I would do, and so.


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[Assistant] Part of the last year of meeting with the folks at Go Hunt has been walk me through what you do and tell me where the pain points are. And I'm sure all these


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[Assistant] Tools they've released, uh, based on our work with them. Uh, and, and their own people too. I mean, you know, Brady and Trail, and they got some serious hunters down there themselves. Uh, and among all of us, we're given this huge team of engineers feedback of what would be helpful. And, uh,


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[Assistant] I think they're going to get to their goal. They're getting there fast of all things in one place. You know, they kind of break it down of.


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[Assistant] Research season, you know, or application season, research and planning season, and then take it with you out in the field, so.


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[Assistant] Anyhow, that's what I've been doing, Cory. And, uh, since we're on the topic.


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[Assistant] It's been, uh, very helpful. And so it probably causes people, at least as they listen to this and, and.


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[Assistant] Well, people will often ask me, why do I focus on a certain slope angle or less than?


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[Assistant] And the reason I do is because all of the studies I've ever read, all the books I've ever read on it.


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[Assistant] Say that elk prefer to bed on a slope that's less than 20 degrees. So?


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[Assistant] What, what places should I be looking? Because I can go there and say, all right, this is a great basin.


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[Assistant] But elk aren't inclined to bed in the entire basin. Some's too, too steep. So how do I figure out where they're likely to bed?


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[Assistant] I know you, you spend a lot of time talking about, you know, which face, you know, which


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[Assistant] Well, those are, right now it's on the desktop, it's not on the mobile app, but I think they'll eventually get there. It's super helpful though to have it right now.


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[Assistant] You know, there's certain things that, I don't care what it is, that you discover and you're like, man, I need to play around with this a lot more.


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[Assistant] Uh, the post draft, the late season, I, the first thing I do when I get a tag is say, all right, where's the transition range? In other words, the areas below the summer range and above the winter range. And I know that's where the bulls are going to be in the post draft and late season period. It's just a matter of,


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[Assistant] At what elevation in that transition range are they going to be? And if they're migratory elk, are they going to be


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[Assistant] Way down their migration route or at the head of their migration area. So by using the elevation bands. Oh man.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, you walk into an area and you get to a glassing knob, and again, there's all different elevations. There's all kinds of different places. I want a glassing knob that helps me glass into those places where they're likely to bed, because they, you know,


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[Assistant] They're under so much rifle pressure on public land that they're out for 15 or 20 minutes in the morning and come out for maybe a half hour in the afternoon. The rest of the time they're in some sanctuary area. So where in those sanctuary areas are they most likely to be bedded? And this helps me identify.


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[Assistant] That's too steep, or that's, you know, the direction it faces just doesn't make sense, or it's too far from the other things they need, so.


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[Assistant] I can't say that it's, it's gonna say, oh, there's an elk right here because I just, in two days of messing with it, any of my glassing spots, it looks like there's about 50 areas that elk could be.


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[Assistant] But which of those 50 areas are they gonna be in? Well that's my, the work I have in front of me is to go find.


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[Assistant] That's, I'm, the, probably the reason this one has me so excited is I look at the wish list we gave them. For not just maps, but for, uh,


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[Assistant] Elk Talk will save you money out at your university course, right? It will, yep.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So, when a doubt uses promo code, I'll talk.


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[Assistant] Give them some love, man. They want to buy your product. They want to buy your service.


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[Assistant] But, so, since that started us on the path of eScouting, I got a few more points that have come in related to eScouting. Uh, people have asked, with some regularity,


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[Assistant] Is there a preferred distance that you like to be from roads and trails in archery season?


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[Assistant] Yes. I thought, well, since they're asking Cory that about archery season.


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[Assistant] I'll try to interject some worthless piece of information related to rifle season. So I'll let you go with archery seasons first.


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[Assistant] This is different also because I've tried to follow Cory the Road Runner as he's chasing Bugles.


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[Assistant] And he'll crossroads, he'll cross trails, he'll, whatever.


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[Assistant] As it relates to rifle season, I'd say that one mile threshold is probably still pretty valid.


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[Assistant] For, for me, I, and this becomes a function of just age and intelligence or, uh, no, not intelligence, age and...


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[Assistant] You start getting past three miles from a, a road or trail, and a couple things that enter my mind is,


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[Assistant] Can I get llamas or horses in here? Uh, and also, do I want to be making this hike every day? Should I just come and set up a camp back here?


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[Assistant] But, it varies situation by situation. But I know in the rifle seasons of the post-rut and the late season.


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[Assistant] You are really hard pressed to find out after the opening day when shooting starts. You're going to be hard pressed to find out within a mile of a motorized road or a motorized trail.


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[Assistant] Which then gets to the question where we always have somebody who's like, wait a second, I shot a bull 300 yards off a road.


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[Assistant] And then they, you're like, oh cool, how'd you pull that off? Well, it took me 18 years to draw the tag, but, so.


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[Assistant] I think our, the first question, or the way we answered the question at first, probably were referencing


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[Assistant] As it is in a general over the counter unit. So all of you who, you know, drew whatever tag that took you 18 years, don't send us an email and say, Hey, you guys are full of it.


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[Assistant] And so there are, there are times that will be an exception to that. Yep. Rich.


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[Assistant] It's probably why it's so hard to draw that tag, why it took 18 years to draw that tag. And uhm, so.


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[Assistant] For me, I always tell people, I don't go to sanctuaries, I don't care what time of year it is.


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[Assistant] And there can be a multitude of things that cause that. So I think we always have a tendency to focus on distance, topography, whatever.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of things that can create lower hunting pressure. It might just be the fact that there aren't a lot of tags. So. Yep.


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[Assistant] I think the reason for expanding on that a little more is when you and I answer most of these questions, it's usually through the lens of the general over-the-counter high-pressured public land area. So, you know, take that.


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[Assistant] As kinda, when you're hearing us answer it, know that that's kinda the lens we're wearing at that time, so.


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[Assistant] But then this, I'm going to skip to another question that kind of relates to this then. Do you have a rule of thumb of, of when you do a backcountry versus a base camp?


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[Assistant] Is it a function of how much distance from where you're, where you can drive to versus where you're finding the elk?


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[Assistant] Her mobility, whatever you want to call it, like comes with it.


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[Assistant] We talk about this of how the e-scouting plan ends up being a series of different places based on


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[Assistant] Maybe some hunting pressure we didn't expect when we showed up or wow, someone put a, they, that trail that was previously closed, now it's open until December 15th. Oh man, that changes. So I gotta have the flexibility and mobility.


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[Assistant] Um, occasionally, like, you know, I was just talking about that Colorado Alconton 2020. That was a grab the llamas, go in eight miles and.


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[Assistant] Set up camp and then hunt, you know, another mile to three miles from there. I couldn't do that on my back. I'm not physically capable of doing that anymore. And even at a point in my life where maybe I was, that just would seem like misery. So.


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[Assistant] Or a backcountry camp, but anymore if I don't have llamas or something to help me do that.


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[Assistant] I, uh, I, I will have better success giving myself multiple options where I can drive to this trailhead and, you know, one day and if there's nothing there, I can go five miles to a different trailhead or whatever. So it's.


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[Assistant] For me, all that e-scouting stuff that we were talking about, that does drive the answer that usually leads me to


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[Assistant] No, and some, like you said, some people do it and some people do it with...


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[Assistant] I mean, I bet you when you're out there shed hunting or like when I'm out wolf hunting or whatever, I am.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when I'm out there and I'm seeing rubs or I'm seeing whatever it might be.


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[Assistant] You know, the learning about trails that are blown in or I climb up a steep bridge that normally I wouldn't do. And then I get to the top and it kind of flattens out and I'm like, Ooh, I bet you there are elk in here in the poster.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't think there's ever time that you spend with your boots on the ground out in the hills that doesn't benefit your elk hunting.


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[Assistant] I just always have been of the opinion that if I'm bored and I feel like I need a day off or go do something, if I spend some time in out country, I don't care what time of year it is, I'm probably going to pick up some bits and pieces.


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[Assistant] That are going to be helpful to me in my e-scouting, which will be helpful to me in my hunting.


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[Assistant] Or to go chase wolves or to go whatever. I, I do a lot of spring bear hunting. That's kind of my, well, you're out looking for shed antlers. I'm looking for furry black things.


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[Assistant] So, uh, I'll ask this, I don't know that I've worded this right in the point that I wrote down. It got to,


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[Assistant] Uh, I was trying to summarize a lot of things and you've said something earlier in the podcast that I think I, now that I hear that I would have stated it differently. Uh, some people are like, how can some folks be so consistent year after year


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[Assistant] On over-the-counter and general units. That's probably the way I should have worded that. Back to your 90-10, you know, 90% of the elk are killed by 10% of the people year after year after year. Uh, and,


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[Assistant] I think what it is, is these people spend a lot of time, they, they, they know they're gonna draw the glory limited entry tag once every 10 years or 15 years.


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[Assistant] So they put a lot of effort in learning what the elk are doing on the day they are hunting them in that spot.


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[Assistant] And so they're successful. They, they make a huge investment in that. They, they view elk hunting as a year round craft.


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[Assistant] And they're learning all the time. And yeah, they make a few mistakes, but they learn from those mistakes.


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[Assistant] And I would encourage anybody, I think we've said this many times on the podcast, because we've got the question, is never miss a year of out cunning. And if you have an area where you can go year after year,


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[Assistant] Do that, because you'll get to know that place really, really well. And you'll be one of those 10 percenters.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I just think it's a level of commitment. These folks, whether they're hunting the local general tag or over the counter tag, they just are committed to it. Like every endeavor in life, I don't care if you went to the golf course, you'd see some people who are just really good. Why?


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[Assistant] Because they make it their craft. They take pride in how much they know about.


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[Assistant] You know, golf or I don't care what topic it is. Same with elk hunting. Elk hunting is a, a craft where you say this is what I want to be. I want to be an elk hunter.


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[Assistant] And the ones who end up in the 10% category aren't the ones who just do it casually like you mentioned.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the reason we brought this up folks is we've received quite a few emails over the last year and a half where people said,


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[Assistant] Okay, I've had some success, but I'm not having consistent success. What's the one thing that will get me to that group of guys I know in my community who kill an elk every year?


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[Assistant] So that's why we brought this up. I, I want to make sure people understand what you mentioned, Cory, the disclaimer of, it doesn't, you don't have to do that. It's just, we're answering a question of some people who were wondering,


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[Assistant] How do you get to that point? And I don't know how to get to that point other than looking at the people who have that success and how hard they work and how committed they are to it. So that's, it's not saying that's what you have to do.


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[Assistant] I mean, there are some people who, you know, it's, it's about the time together and if they shoot an elk once every third year, fourth year, fifth year, whatever, that's, that's their idea of success.


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[Assistant] That's the beauty of honey. You get to define what you want out of it and what's success to you. So don't, don't feel like we're saying everybody's got to be in that 10% category. It just wasn't a, was a question that's come up. So we thought we'd, we'd touch on it. So.


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[Assistant] Alright, you wanna get to the next topic that'll probably create all kinds of emails?


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[Assistant] Yeah. So that's where we get a lot of these questions folks. And for those of you who do send them in, thanks so much. It's, it is such a, uh, a treasure of.


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[Assistant] Of ideas, uh, and topics. We'll, we'll never get to them all. I can, we're not going to live long enough to do enough podcasts to get to them all, but we, it gives us a good feel of what, what everyone's thinking. So I, uh, I appreciate it. Yep.


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[Assistant] So there have been some that came in and this is the reason I'm willing to touch on this topic that we did a full podcast on it.


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[Assistant] I think last year, but people are asking, all right, Randy, you kind of think that you got the world figured out.


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[Assistant] No, they don't really say it that way, but, uh, like if you looked in your crystal ball, Randy, what's quote unquote point creep going to look like in 2022? I have no idea. And if I told you, I knew.


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[Assistant] I hope you call me a liar because I don't know what it's going to be like. I got my own, you know, my gut and instinct is telling me that it's going to flatten out a bit in 2022 compared to the crazy jump we saw in 2021, but I could be wrong. So.


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[Assistant] We got Wyoming coming up and it's sort of the middle of the road state as far as point creep.


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[Assistant] I, I'm analyzing in front of me here Cory, I have Wyoming, Utah, Colorado. Going back from 2018, 19, 20 and 21.


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[Assistant] And the state that is the hardest to draw where people every year are disappointed because of point creep.


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[Assistant] Is Utah and even to some degree Colorado, but here's the big difference. Colorado gives away last year, they gave away 21,700 bull elk tags in the limited entry draw to non-residents. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Say that again.


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[Assistant] Holy cow. Compared that to Utah, which only gives away 200, gave away 279 tags last year. And Wyoming gave away 7250, like they do every year.


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[Assistant] For those of you who wonder what Wyoming's drill is, uh, they give away by statute. They have to give away.


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[Assistant] Uh, the same number of tags every year, it's seventy two hundred and fifty tags and some of them are limited entry tags and some of them are the general tag. So, uh, so that kind of gives you the range of what has a non-resident, what


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[Assistant] The availability of tags are because that's a big function of point creep. You know, how many tags are there? Um, and, uh, I'm just looking, they've stayed pretty constant in Colorado.


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[Assistant] They've been absolutely constant in Wyoming because it's a statutory number, 70, 250. Uh, and they haven't changed that much in either Colorado or Utah. Utah in 2018, they gave away 269 non-resident bowl out tags. Last year, they gave away 279.


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[Assistant] So it's only went up by 10 tags over the course of four years.


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[Assistant] Here's some things, and this is where the point creep part of it gets into play, is the percentage of people who are over there just in the dark.


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[Assistant] I say in the dark because they don't show up in the stats.


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[Assistant] In Utah, right now, just the people buying points that you never even see in the draw results or in the draw odds.


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[Assistant] You know how many years of applicants bought points like, so you take the 279 tags a year.


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[Assistant] So then you take the number who are buying points and the number who actually applied.


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[Assistant] It's going to take 134 years to plow through the current pile of people in the, in the Utah Point system.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the good news is the people who are buying points, their odds are zero percent. So.


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[Assistant] So, I look at the trend, 2018, there were 113 years worth of applicants in the Utah pool.


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[Assistant] 2020, it jumped to 125 years worth of applicants. And in 2021, we have 134 years worth of non-resident applicants in the combined acro applicant pool plus the point buyer pool. And that's in Utah. That's in Utah.


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[Assistant] Where you only had to, I think like put a five, it was front five bucks or something.


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[Assistant] So they saw a jump in applicants in 2018 that was really, really high.


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[Assistant] Yeah, between those who are buying points and those who are actually applying.


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[Assistant] So, when they changed their system from 18 to 19,


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[Assistant] The number of people applying for tags went from 94,000 down to 80,000.


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[Assistant] Number of point buyers went from 56,000 down to 47,000.


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[Assistant] I think in my mind anyhow that states that have very, very low barriers to cost or to entry.


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[Assistant] Are going to have ridiculous number of applicants who, you know, some will argue that's good, some will argue that's bad. Uhm, but then 2019, they kind of go back to something a little more stable and it stayed that way for 19, 20 and 21. So in, uh, 2019,


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[Assistant] They had 6.2 years worth of applicants in their system. So if you took every point buyer and every applicant, because it's a true preference point system in Colorado, and you're just jumping into Colorado right now,


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[Assistant] As if you look at the entire pool as one group, not by each unit they applied for. There's 6.2 years worth of applicants in the system in 2019. 2020, that jumps to 6.9 years of applicants.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I'm trying to figure this out and for the life of me, I don't know why it is.


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[Assistant] The number of applicants, and I'm talking about whether you're applying for a limited entry tag or buying points.


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[Assistant] Since 2018 in Colorado has only increased 9%.


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[Assistant] Obviously my messaging to the world that Utah probably isn't a great use of your time doesn't appear to be working.


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[Assistant] Not that I'm doing it for any specific reason, but I'm just trying to tell people where do you get the most value out of your investment endpoints. So I, I, I don't know why.


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[Assistant] Point of that being, both of them and Wyoming are having increases in, in, uh, point creep, whatever you want to call it.


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[Assistant] It just is what it is. When, when you have a static number of tags, which all three of these states are pretty close to static, uh, and you have more interest, you're going to have lower draw odds or point creep. So.


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[Assistant] I talked to the folks at GoHunt earlier in the week as I was doing this analysis and Brady told me, he said, you know, one of the things we maybe should start doing is just telling people what are the people, you know, what's the pile of silent point buyers look like in this state?


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[Assistant] Where's the point pile? And are there some breaking points of where the point buyers


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[Assistant] You get into double digits and those people don't churn and burn their points as much. It's like, oh, I'm just buying points because someday I'm going hunting. I'll buy some more points. I'm going hunting.


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[Assistant] You see a lot more churn in the single digit point pools than you do in the higher level point pools. So.


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[Assistant] What's that mean? In states or in units where it takes double digits, expect the churn right there to be much, much lower. In other words, you're going to wait forever to get a tag.


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[Assistant] So if you want to go Elcon, look at the units that.


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[Assistant] They weren't floppy disks then, they made them out of hard plastic.


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[Assistant] And it'll be Wyoming Lotus 123. That's the, that's the software I was using back at the time.


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[Assistant] And I don't have a computer now where I can go pull those old files up, those old spreadsheets, which would be, I mean, they'd be completely obsolete now that we have GoHunt, but.


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[Assistant] Someone asked me, hey, have you ever put pen to paper on this scenario? I'm like, yeah, I have.


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[Assistant] So I go, this tells you what a junk collector I am. I go up to my office and I'm digging through all these old drawers. I'm like, here they are. And I find the one that related to Wyoming.


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[Assistant] You're right, I have, I spend way too much time analyzing numbers.


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[Assistant] They're gonna see a difference. And I'm not doing that to discourage.


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[Assistant] People from applying in Utah, if you got the money, my point is we all have a finite budget.


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[Assistant] Are gonna go to their grave without never hunting elk in Utah. That's just fact.


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[Assistant] But, uh, so, the point of all that is, and I want to go back to your example, you said, oh, there's this unit that has 120 tags with 20 applicants, so in 6 years I should


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[Assistant] You know, even if I jump in now I should work my way through that pile.


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[Assistant] Not necessarily. Not if there's 60,000 other people just buying points on the side that aren't accounted for in that 120. Yup.


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[Assistant] That's the part that so many people ignore. And, uh, it's, you know, it just...


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[Assistant] Rabbit hole of analyzing these three states.


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[Assistant] But I know it's, it's probably less likely than what you think if you're just looking at last year's


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[Assistant] Published results from that state because it ignores all the point buyers.


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[Assistant] And that, that's where I was. I, I mean, 2016, I had 19 points. And so, it's like, if I'm going to hunt elk in Colorado.


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[Assistant] Multiple times I'm just burning these points. I'm going, I'm going to look at it as a fun time. I'm, I don't plan on shooting big Hank and then I'm going to go every third or fourth year. So.


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[Assistant] I did in 16 and now I went in 2020 and I'll probably go again in 2023 or 2024. So yeah, I need to come up with a plan so I can go.


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[Assistant] Well, we've kept them a long time, Cory. I just got an email while we were doing this from Arizona Game and Fish. It says, starting January 1, licensed dealers will no longer sell traditional paper hunting licenses.


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[Assistant] But many of them will offer the online purchase option. So.


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[Assistant] About ready to get with the program here and actually have an online system. Yeaah. We'll see. We'll see how well that works.


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[Assistant] They've, they have definitely had their challenges in Arizona with their online system. I hope they get it straightened out because they have an amazing product.


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[Assistant] So you know what I'm thinking of? You know, Marcus went down and did a late archery, uh, Alcon in Arizona.


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[Assistant] He was so frustrated, he told me, I'm never doing this again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, anybody who says they don't need any luck or wouldn't take any luck, I know that person's a liar.


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[Assistant] I'm like, alright folks, I'm just kidding. I'm just trying to keep it in your mind that if you got some spare money that you want to put towards the cause of elk hunting, the elk foundation is the place that would be a good use of that money. That's right. Alright. Take care Corey. Happy New Year. Catch you next time. Happy New Year.


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[Assistant] The goal is, what little you and I know about elk hunting, we share with people.


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[Assistant] And with that, Cory, we are ready to get into it. Let's jump into it.


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[Assistant] The goal is what little you and I know about Alconny.


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[Assistant] It is here too. The ground squirrels are making a mess of the place. I'm gonna have to bring my traps here and thin them out at the office. Really? They're everywhere.


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[Assistant] One of the tenants in the neighboring suite complained, what is that? There's a dead golfer squirrel out there in a trap. Uh, yeah. Stand by. There's going to be more.


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[Assistant] Nope. When, uh, when I told them that that happened, they looked at me like, does that really happen? I'm like, yes, it happens. And if you ever go watch a movie, Caddyshack, that's me and the Gophers right here. I'm Bill Murray.


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[Assistant] I used to have a pellet gun here at the office and the rock doves, i.e. pigeons, that took up residency here.


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[Assistant] I can tell you how good pigeons taste. They're pretty darn good. Really? Why'd they get the name Rock Dove then? I don't know.


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[Assistant] What people call them, rock dove pigeons, but I'm right next to the MSU football stadium, right? So their football stadium, they had pigeons everywhere. They got mad at them and they went and put these little poker things up there, like jabbing little needles. Yeah. Well, the pigeons didn't have any place to land, so they all come over to our buildings.


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[Assistant] One morning I come up and just about the time I get ready, police officer comes by, he's like, hey, what are you doing? I said, I'm shooting these pigeons that are pooping all over me and our tenants and look at all the mess they're making. Ever since the university changed your football stadium, he's like, wow.


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[Assistant] You know, you can't be shooting those. I said this is private property. I can do it a damn well, please.


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[Assistant] He says, not in city limits, you can't. I'm like, what? He said, no, you can't shoot pigeons in city limits. I'm like, alright.


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[Assistant] I said, well, what if we call them Eurasian Collard Doves? They're an invasive non-native species. He just looked at me like, what does that matter?


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[Assistant] No, they weren't bad at all. Really? Uh, yeaah. But I'd come here and shoot them early in the day, like, I'm an early riser anyhow, and I thought, well, I'll take care of them before all the other people come to the office.


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[Assistant] How can you not protect your own property? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Exactly. I mean, I wouldn't get out there about once a week. I had to go out there with the snow shovel and scrape it on the, on the concrete to get all the pigeon poop off the concrete.


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[Assistant] I, I was up late last night because I'm trying to get everything caught up before I leave town on Monday.


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[Assistant] So I was up doing payroll. Today's the first. I thought, you know, my employees wouldn't think it was a very good April fool joke if I said no paychecks today, guys. Uh, so, and then as I go to bed, I look at.


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[Assistant] Oh man, I felt so bad. Now, now the truth comes out. So, hey, did you, did you, not that the audience probably cares at this point, but did you get your Montana application in today?


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[Assistant] Because of your kind invitation to be on your Destination Elk program next, or this fall, me and Michael from my office applied together for a limited entry archery hunt, and uh, we'll see if we draw. That would be cool.


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[Assistant] But I think the podcast will go live before the Colorado deadline of April 6th.


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[Assistant] I think that's where it is. I got the rigs sitting right here cause I'm applying for me and some of my crew today. Yeah. 8 PM mountain time.


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[Assistant] Well, you're making your contribution to, to, you know, conservation and such, so. Yeah, maybe they'll introduce wolves there or something with it. Oh, there you go. Do we need to talk about that today? No.


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[Assistant] Possibly, I'm gonna try to stretch my points. This is not the year to stretch your deer points. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But if I don't draw a deer, I think my son Matthew, he's got nine points.


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[Assistant] So some dudes jumping in with nine points and they're going to be like, what the heck? This is, this is crazy. And if he draws, I'm going to buy an over the counter third season bull elk tag. Nice. So.


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[Assistant] That's right. And I gotta have an excuse to be floundering around there gasping for air, seeing if I can get up the mountain with the rest of those young whippersnappers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, by the time you're all done with everything, the non-refundable portion.


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[Assistant] Plus your elk application fee, your deer application fee. It's like 115 bucks or something, isn't it? Yup. Something like that. Yup.


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[Assistant] I've heard that happen, but in Colorado, it doesn't do you any good because if the party, like Matthew has nine, I have two.


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[Assistant] The party is assigned the same point total as the lowest point holder. So I'd bring him down to two. So yeah, thanks for bringing that up. So did you see this, uh, one email question we got?


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[Assistant] Where the guy, uh, talked about, uh, the Colorado archery elk seasons. And, uh,


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[Assistant] What part of that season he...


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[Assistant] He prefers to hunt and wanted to know what part of it we prefer to hunt. And I'd have to say in full disclosure, I've


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[Assistant] Alconid in Colorado four times or five times?


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[Assistant] I've always done rifle hunts, so I've never had this weird dynamic of a...


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[Assistant] Season that's interrupted by the muzzleloader hunters part way through the year, or part way through the season.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well this year, 2021 archery season. Oh, it looks like they've...


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[Assistant] In their new season structure, it looks like it stays the same. September 2nd through the 30th. They did, yeaah. Next year. Set date.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the floater within that is the muzzleloader season. So this year, the muzzleloader season that happens concurrently is September 11th through the 19th.


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[Assistant] So there's nine days of muzzleloader hunting in the middle of archery season, so.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe their commission was full of motherloader owners when they passed that regulation. Evidently.


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[Assistant] I'm inclined to hunt later in the month rather than earlier in the month. Like if Michael and I draw the tag we're applying for, for the destination Alcant, uh, we'll be going the last week, it's September. Yeah. Let everyone get it out of their system.


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[Assistant] So you're telling if, if I was inviting Corey Jacobson this year and I said, Hey Corey, let's go on September 20th, which is one of my favorite days to be out hunting. You'd say, have you looked at the moon phase, Randy? I would say that.


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[Assistant] Okay, full moon. Uh, when I was in Portland last week doing Q&A sessions on public land outcunning, someone asked this question and he asked, is Cory here? I said no, but he gave me permission to make it up on his behalf.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's no accountability, uh, low expectations, and even if you don't meet those low expectations, you probably get a bonus at the end of the year. Uh, and then I went on, I went on to tell them that


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[Assistant] Speaking for Corey, the amount of variation to his schedule based on barometric pressure is strictly a function to whether or not he's wore out a pair of shoes that day because he hunts the same way all the time. He just goes.


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[Assistant] I've not seen him slow down because of high or low barometric pressure.


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[Assistant] I changed my hunting based on barometric pressure because there's certain times to take a nap and high barometric pressure is good napping time.


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[Assistant] Low or decreasing barometric pressure is when I really do my best hunting.


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[Assistant] And then after he gave me that look, I said, you know what? I really don't worry about it. Because when I'm out in the woods, I'm hunting all day long. No matter if the barometer is rising or falling, I'm hunting and it doesn't change how I hunt.


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[Assistant] So since you weren't there, I'm going to ask you all these questions that I remember. Uh, one guy said, if I could hunt four days, the Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, the second weekend of season, and then I could come back and hunt four days the next weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, or I could hunt the full seven days of a week. He said, I can do either. What would you do?


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[Assistant] I told them I'd hunt seven days in a row for a couple reasons. One is I feel like about the third day I'm starting to get things figured out of what's going on at that time. And I wouldn't want to have to leave and hit the reset button and try to solve the riddle again when I came back four or five days later. Uh, so.


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[Assistant] And they love the archery hunt, so they're callin'.


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[Assistant] They said the hard part is when I call, the bull's coming straight in at me. And...


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[Assistant] I wanna have a shot from the side or I'm afraid he's locked right in on where I'm at and when he comes in, he just looks right at me. What should I do?


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[Assistant] Was crazy. Yeaah. And I said, look guys, eh, this is Randy Newberg giving this seminar, not Corey Jacobson.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, one person said, and a couple other people nodded, so I think more than one person listens to our podcast. They said, you guys always talk about wind being the number one reason people mess up an encounter.


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[Assistant] I didn't know what to tell him. I was like, you know what? That's that, you're right. That's the mistake that I make. If I had to say of 10 screwed up encounters I had, nine of them were messed up probably because I got lazy or too excited or something related to wind. And that applies whether it's a rifle or a bow.


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[Assistant] I am a living proof of that. I set out every season to prove what you just said at least five times a year.


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[Assistant] And I told the, I told the person that, I said, I, I try as hard as I can to manage the wind, but sometimes,


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[Assistant] You think you're doing it right and you can't control when the wind decides to vary in direction or angle and you're just, you're screwed. You're trying to do the best with what you're dealt.


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[Assistant] And so you, you know, you got on one side of the little draw, it's going this direction. You get in a little bit of shade and it's going a hundred degrees different and you go around the corners going 80 degrees different. I said, I wish I could say that I could control the wind.


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[Assistant] I can't, I can control how I react to it and try my best and I'm aware of it, but it's still the number one reason why I screw it up. Yep.


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[Assistant] So, one of the listeners sent us an email that said, do thermals in canyons operate any differently than thermals in the mountains?


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[Assistant] My answer was no. It's heavier air versus warmer air. One being lighter, one being heavier.


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[Assistant] And in just one little finger of the canyon.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got another email where someone said, uh, related to thermals. No matter what the thermal does, it seems like where my camp is set, it's either going up to the, where the elk are bedded or down to where they're feeding.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I wish they would have sent us a diagram, but in my head, I'm thinking, alright, you've put your camp between where the elk are moving each day to bed and feed, feed and bed.


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[Assistant] That's what my response was going to be is, uh, don't be so excited about being close to Elk that you set up your camp in a proximity that's gonna mess it up.


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[Assistant] You found them, leave them alone or, or, or be at least proceed with caution and hike for a mile or so to get to where they're at. And, uh.