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[Assistant] That'll be a conversation. Garrett Wilson will still be the one, even if Rome does go there. He'll have to prove that he could be the number one.


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[Assistant] Selfishly, of course, I marked them to the Jets, but when I look at the Bears and what they've done and me and Brady on the same page, I think DJ Moore is a true number one. Keenan Allen is on a one year rental, but they also made a move in free agency to get Gerald Everett and they bring in Shane Waldron. I wonder if they go maybe more too tight in sets. I've marked the.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I marked the, because they got Cole Comet as well, and he's a guy that they really like to put out there on the outside in red zone and throw him the ball out there in one-on-one situations as well. When I look at the Bears though, I think they need another edge rusher more than they need a receiver, right? We saw what Montez sweat and how that trade transformed that defense. Well, just imagine if he had a bookend.


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[Assistant] With, you know, Garrett Wilson, we know Mike Williams signed there, but he's coming off an ACL. Will he even be ready when the season starts is a question mark.


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[Assistant] I think it'll allow you to put Garrett Wilson in the slot a lot more, which is where he had a lot of success the last two years. And now he won't have to worry about that safety over the top because Rome's ability to go up and get the football in one-on-one situations. So yes, selfishly, I want him to go to the Jesper. I just think the Bears need an edge rusher more than they need a receiver.


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[Assistant] I think Brian Thomas is 1.5 and then AD is in tier 2. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to me, the Chiefs are definitely going to go receiver in the first round. Could it be a situation where AD Mitchell maybe slips to them? Could Brian Thomas even slip to the back of the first round? I think Xavier Worthy makes a ton of sense as well. I mean, I've even heard rumors that Xavier LeGette could make some sense to them.


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[Assistant] At the back of the first round, cause we actually never seen Patrick Mahomes with a big body receiver, right? So a guy that can actually go out there and ready to win in the red zone or win on those 50 50 jump contested passes. We actually haven't seen Mahomes with that. So just imagine.


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[Assistant] If he had that, when I look at this list, uh, I love Brian Thomas as well. I think he could do a lot more. I think he was kind of overshadowed by what Malik neighbors can do. Uh, I think the one thing that he kind of wanted to emphasize during this process is that he could run all the routes cause.


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[Assistant] Brady, when people talk about him, they talk about him just how you talk about him, right? He's a guy that can really threaten you down the field. He can take the top off the defense, but I saw him run dig routes. I saw him run drag routes. I saw him run comeback routes. They just didn't feature it enough in his game because Malik neighbors did a lot of that in that LSU offense. So he's a guy I really like. And then lab McConkey, I just watched him again last night. And to your point, Brady, people are just trying to,


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[Assistant] But, but well, I don't, the thing is the panelists are essentially still getting a first round pick because I believe they pick first in the, in the second round if I'm not mistaken. So like, I don't, I don't know if they package those two second round picks to move up just because they have needs on this team, right? They can still get with those two high end second round picks.


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[Assistant] I honestly think he's going lower than that Brady to be honest with you.


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[Assistant] You got the, you got the offensive of Guru and Sean Payton, uh, might be, it's going to be way too high to take a quarterback. You go, probably best player available if Brock Bowers is still there. Uh, they have so many holes on that offense and, and team, period. Why not get an explosive playmaker? They already traded away Jerry Judy.


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[Assistant] He could use a tight end that could stretch the middle of the field and then use them in so many different ways. We saw the way that he used, uhm,


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[Assistant] I'm having a brain fire. What's my man in New Orleans? The tight end. Uh, Jimmy Graham, not taste the milk.


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[Assistant] Taysom Hill, yeaah. Uh, the way he's been able to use him in multiple different ways. I think he can do the same thing with Brock Bowers.


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[Assistant] It is. It is. When you watch the tape and


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[Assistant] We talk about the NFL position flexibility. Benson, it can do it all. It could be the H bag. It could be the traditional tight end. You can move them outside. He was the key focal point of that Kansas city, Kansas state offense and team still couldn't stop him. I look at that Mizzou game and Mizzou had a really good defense. A lot of those guys probably like.


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[Assistant] Eight of those guys are going to get drafted in this year's draft from Mizzou, and he still had a hell of a game.


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[Assistant] Against them, I paired them to the Cardinals, right? When you look at, uh.


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[Assistant] You know, Drew Persig, uh, who came from the Kevin Stefanski tree, right? They liked those two tight end sets. They, um, they really liked the tight end. They took a few years ago from Colorado state. He has a real rapport with, uh, Kyle and Murray. I think the two tight end set makes a lot of sense with the Cardinals. So I have them go into the Cardinals. Trey McBride. Trey McBride. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That is a willing blocker. He can also be an H back as well. And then also a guy that could stretch the middle of the field could be if they do take Jayden Daniels, his best friend over the middle of the field. I think Logan Thomas, they already released him, so they, they need a tight end to come in. I think Cade Stover in the third or fourth round makes a lot of sense to the commanders.


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[Assistant] I think me and Brady bought him earlier in our two mock drafts for him going to the Chargers at Five.


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[Assistant] Yeah. When you look at all to me, it makes more sense for Tennessee than the chargers because of what you just said, Brady.


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[Assistant] Joe also true left tackle. They have a perennial all pro already, the chargers and Slater at left tackle. So like.


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[Assistant] Forgot that played left tackle and I'm not saying he can't do it. He can do it, but I just think it makes more sense for them to get a pass catcher and then, uh, fashion new right to the jets is, is I like that as well, especially if the top three receivers are gone. The only thing is that it would essentially be a redshirt year for him. If everybody stays healthy now.


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[Assistant] Timon Smith hasn't stayed healthy his whole career. And you got to think, uh, Morgan Moses come off a torn peck and he's in his mid thirties as well. So, um, that's the only thing if the jets do take a fashion, who could it be a quote unquote red shirt year for him as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm glad you said that because essentially that's exactly what the just did a few years ago when they signed Morgan Moses in 21. He was the swing tackle, but he ended up starting because mccart Beckton got hurt. So like that could be a real, a real scenario where we know timer Smith has played right tackle. He had to do it last year, right? And the year before.


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[Assistant] So he could go to right tackle and he could put fashion new at left. And then, you know, the emergency tackle could be Morgan Moses, which I'm not opposed to at all.


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[Assistant] I mean, but five, five bill for a swing tackle is nothing in today's NFL.


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[Assistant] But there used to always be like a precipice on left tackles, like pure left tackles and


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[Assistant] Maybe just because the NFL has changed, right? Taggles are just as important.


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[Assistant] I think the Saints just make too much sense. Ryan Ramcheck, we don't even know if he'll be healthy enough to play. And Trevor Penning really struggled when he was a starter as well.


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[Assistant] It is abysmal and awful right now, their situation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like that mock, uh, Brady. And one of my mugs, I had them there and then the next mock I had them going to Dallas. They lost Tyler Beatish. So to me, they, that fills the void right away. And for a Dallas team has said they're all in, they really haven't done much in the off season. So.


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[Assistant] Filling that void with Jackson Powers Johnson for Dallas makes too much sense. And then the Troy Fonda new one is intriguing. We both have him going to the Seattle Seahawks and I think it's because of the position flexibility. Now they did just sign, um.


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[Assistant] Uh, Lincoln Tomlinson, uh, but he's probably going to be a swing guy for them, but Troy Fox knew even though they do have two really good tackles, he could swing into guard and start from day one. Cowboys also secretly.


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[Assistant] I'm surprised Tyler Guyton didn't make this list, uh, Brady.


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[Assistant] Out there, there are two colossal beings, both forces of nature in their own regard.


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[Assistant] I feel like the commanders were, and we talked a little bit about this yesterday in the McDonald Emergency Press podcast, I kind of felt like this was the Ben Johnson spot.


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[Assistant] And the fact that he did not really take the interview as they were flying to Detroit, he wanted to stay with the Lions, I think they kinda got caught.


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[Assistant] With their number one option going away and they were left scrambling and now they land with Dan Quinn. So I like it.


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[Assistant] I don't love it. I feel like that's the same way that Adam Peters in this Washington Commanders team feels if you gave them a little bit of truth serum because they didn't get their guy. I think their guy is in Detroit still. It's the 06.


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[Assistant] Right, and let's just compare quickly what the Seahawks did yesterday and what the Commanders did today.


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[Assistant] I said yesterday in the other podcast that I like that move. Because it's a younger, defensive-minded guy for a team.


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[Assistant] What they should be looking for, which is why I thought Ben Johnson made all the sense in the world here. You have the most amount of cap space in the NFL this offseason. You have the number two overall pick, which we all assume is going to be a combination of, if Caleb Williams falls, then sure, but Drake May or Jayden Daniels, you're going to bring in a rookie quarterback.


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[Assistant] But more often than not, those dudes dip and they're gone. And then you're talking about your first round quarterback going into year two with another coordinator. So I genuinely think there's a lot of risk here for Washington going with a defensive minded head coach and Dan Quinn.


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[Assistant] Right, well I, like you said, I think it does fix, or at least starts to fix the problem on defense. I mean, you listed it. It's god-awful, their totals this year. Like, so bad that their points per game allowed 30.5. It's their worst since 1954.


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[Assistant] I mean, this team has been historically bad on the defensive side of the ball in 2023. So certainly you needed to fix that and you bring in a guy like Dan Quinn, where you look at the Cowboys totals. I mean, outside of that game against the Packers in the playoffs, overall flawless, number one in takeaways, top five, top 10, pretty much in everything else.


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[Assistant] But it's gonna take a little bit. This, I'll be curious and I'm not sure if it's out there, but you know, we talked a little bit yesterday about McDonald getting a six year deal. I wouldn't be surprised if it's somewhere similar here with Dan Quinn because


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[Assistant] This is not an overnight fix, I don't think, for Washington. Yeah, they have some pieces, you know, Terry McLaurin, Johan Dotson, but like you said,


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[Assistant] There are, there was a fire sale. Chase Young's not there. I, uh, Montez Sweat, not there. This is not a team that is going to be, I don't believe.


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[Assistant] In the postseason contention or the in the hunt on the CBS graphics come November, I think this is going to be a little bit more of a slow burn. And I think that's fine.


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[Assistant] But you need to be able to build this slowly and you have to give Dan Quinn that leash specifically on offense as well.


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[Assistant] Do you think this is more Frank Reich-like? Do you think that this is one of those situations where they bring in a young quarterback, maybe things don't come out as rosy, and maybe not an in-season firing, but certainly that seat's extremely warm, and as you mentioned,


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[Assistant] What happens if these number one guys that they had their eye on this cycle decide, hey listen, you know, Ben Johnson, Detroit, I just keep going back to him because I feel like he was their number one guy. What if he's, what if he takes them to an NFC?


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[Assistant] Championship, a Super Bowl appearance that says, you know what, I've done my job in Detroit, I definitely want to go see opportunities. I don't know how you don't revisit that, especially if they have a down year, but, you know, again, a lot needs to be kind of played out obviously, but I do have some reservations about this, this hiring.


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[Assistant] As much as I do think it could fix the defense, I just wonder, as you're mentioning, I, I don't know.


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[Assistant] You stole it from me because that's what I was going to get to next. I do think that there is a chance where the enemy stays, a guy like Frank Reich, Josh McDaniels, I think that might be


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[Assistant] The wiser move to go down if you're Dan Quinn assembling the staff because you don't run the risk of losing these guys after year one because it seems very unlikely. I mean, at this point,


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[Assistant] I don't know if Eric Biannimi is going to get a head coaching job. I mean, he was there with that organization for a year. They moved on from Ron Rivera. You know, if that was not going to land him a gig, I don't know what would.


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[Assistant] And Frank Reich, same thing. I just don't think he's getting another opportunity. And Joshua Daniels, certainly not.


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[Assistant] Last year, points per game and total yards per game, 25th and 24th. There were some flashes with Sam Howell and, you know, certainly that's not all on the enemy, but I think you might want to bring in a guy that you're a little bit more familiar with. You're Dan Quinn.


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[Assistant] The double-header in the dark. It's a two-test with strategy, skill, and speed. Quick, in turns. Ready? Some whale-to-whale action.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like that's a great point, because now that all the openings have been filled in the NFL, you're really gonna start to see these things kinda heat up.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, great, for instance, you reference it, the Patriots need one. Nick Haley is kind of been the guy that they've been circling, Rams tight ends coach, former tight ends coach for the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Just ask yourself the question, is this the type of opening that would derail him from possibly joining the Patriots and immediately going to the Washington Commanders?


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[Assistant] Is actually not that far away because of that number two overall pick and because you do have the most amount of cap space and you do have a new ownership group that does probably wanna make a big swing relatively early.


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[Assistant] There is a possibility that that could land you not only.


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[Assistant] I actually would push back. I wonder if it's almost more attractive for an offensive coordinator than most of these other jobs because of where they sit financially with Capspace and the number two overall pick. Again, you gotta love the prospects, but I actually don't think that this is terrible for an OC.


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[Assistant] I mean, let me ask you, if he, does he fit the mold of a one and done candidate? Or do you think he's more in the vein of, nah, this dude probably sticks around. I don't know if his coaching candidacy as a head coach would be hot out of the gate in 2025.


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[Assistant] Well, I honestly wonder if they are going to use the draft for the offense in free agency for the defense. That's kind of how I think that they might parse this thing. You bring in a bunch of veterans that, because you're more confident in Quinn,


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[Assistant] It's just how impactful are you going to be because you got to talk about the division they play in now. He's leaving a Cowboys team that was one of the best offenses in the NFL. We're going to assume that Philadelphia comes back.


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[Assistant] You still have a tough division to go through. So you have to show up defensively to at least hang around with Dallas, to at least hang around with, with Philadelphia. So I do think they're going to be better. I just don't necessarily know.


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[Assistant] You know, if that's going to spring them into contention in year one. I think they're gonna spend a lot of money. I think they'll spend money on defense, but I don't know if that's gonna spring them into contention.


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[Assistant] It doesn't surprise me that this is the year he left because I think that going into next season, going into 2024, every article that you're going to read about the hottest seat in the NFL, it's going to be Mike McCarthy. And so if he gets blown out,


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[Assistant] I don't know. I think you just go to what's offered to you right now. And this is the last team that was available. Last team that had an opening.


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[Assistant] I think that they missed out on their number one guy. Swoop in, take that job because you don't know what tomorrow's gonna bring in Dallas. You don't know what Jerry's gonna do if all of a sudden this Cowboys team starts off a little bit slow. Actually, frankly, I think I do know what they're going to do.


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[Assistant] Well, not only that, but I saw it with Zee and Rappaport and NFL Network reported too that Joe Witt, the secondary and defensive passing game coordinator is expected to go with Dan Quinn as his DC. So not only is Dallas losing their DC,


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[Assistant] In all likelihood also losing their number one in-house replacement.


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[Assistant] For Dan Quinn as well, so there's a lot to mix and match here for Dallas in a time where


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[Assistant] Go through the motions, you're a young developing team. No, this is a team that was extremely disappointing in the postseason for three years in a row after 12 and five seasons. And your head coach now has the hottest seat in my opinion in the NFL.


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[Assistant] You need to kind of figure this out. The defense was your number one strength. It was a lot of the reasons why people thought that you could go to the Super Bowl this year.


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[Assistant] A lot of that was Dan Quinn. A lot of that was Joe Witt. And if that's now gone, that brain trust is now in Washington and you now have to fill that if you're Mike McCarthy on top of just being nervous of your own job security.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of red flags with Dallas going into 2024.


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[Assistant] The Washington commanders now have institutional knowledge of what the Cowboys like to do, what their, you know, affinities are, what their weaknesses are, specifically on the defensive, but also offensive side of the ball. That's also happening in Philadelphia as well with Kellen Moore coming in as the offensive coordinator, former OC of the Cowboys. You know, obviously it was with the Chargers last year.


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[Assistant] The institutional knowledge for the Cowboys is basically the secrets out in that entire division with two rivals now having former coordinators as either coordinators or head coaches. So to me, I just think that


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[Assistant] All these guys kinda know each other. They know their tendencies more so than just what you see on film. You know what goes on in the hallways. You know the ins and outs of that organization, those players, their tendencies a little bit more than


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[Assistant] Then what would be used to. So like when we look at these games in 2024 in terms of the lines and these, you know, when we get to nitty gritty of like betting these games.


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[Assistant] There's a, there's a point, a half point edge with these teams that are going, you know, specifically, you know, the teams that know Dallas. I think that there's going to be a little bit of a swing there that most people won't recognize.


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[Assistant] I think carries a little bit more prominence because of everything we just mentioned. The fact that not only are you filling the defensive coordinator spot, but probably the replacement in, in Joe and juniors going with them as well. So that would probably be the guy that would in-house could have been your replacement maybe makes that


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[Assistant] Departure a little bit easier, now it's a little bit more difficult. So, you know, when you're gnawing away at these franchises, at these coaching staffs, and not only doing that, but going against them twice a year, I think it's very noteworthy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and not surprised so much about Bill Belichick because I think when you bring in a guy like that, you're basically, you know, nuking your entire operation because when he comes in, a guy like that,


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[Assistant] He's gonna run the show. He's your GM. He has full control. That's kind of the...


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[Assistant] I am very surprised. I think that he should have been one of the top head coaching candidates this cycle and the fact that we're now settled here with this commander's job now gone and everything's filled.


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[Assistant] I actually can't believe that he's not hired. I think that that's going to be, I think we're going to look back at that and a lot of these teams and making a mistake.


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[Assistant] Not bringing him in because I don't necessarily believe he was the problem in Tennessee.


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[Assistant] The problem was that you have an aging Ryan Tannehill and you run your offense through a running back. I don't necessarily think that's the right way to run an offense. From an in-game manager standpoint, in-game coaching, I think he's one of the best in the league. Now, does he rub some people the wrong way? Is he a little bit abrasive? I don't, I don't know.


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[Assistant] That's kind of the rub. Maybe that's what people don't want. But ultimately from a football coach standpoint, I thought that he was one of the better coaches out there and the fact that he's now


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[Assistant] Just out there and possibly, you know, I would say maybe the number one, number two, number three, certainly top three head coaching candidates going into 2024, 2025. I'm pretty surprised by that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I give it a B minus. Like the coach, like what he's going to do to the defense, but I have so many questions about that offense and I feel like the commanders didn't get their guy.


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[Assistant] Look at Joe Montana. Joe freaking Montana won four Super Bowls in his entire career.


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes is not even 29 years old and he already has three. That is mind blowing. And as Brinton said,


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[Assistant] I mean, or and well, so the offense, definitely the worst that homes ever had. And if you look at the entire team, even though the defense was very good, you could make the argument that this was their least talented team on paper because of the


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[Assistant] It is just mind boggling and that's really a testament to Andy Reed's coaching ability and the fact that it doesn't matter. You give him lemons. He is going to make like a carrot cake, something delicious that you don't think can be made with lemons. And that's just what he does. And he just comes out here.


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[Assistant] Well, no, they wouldn't want it because they only kicked the fuel. If they had gotten a touchdown the first drive, they would have won under the old rules, but this was the first.


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[Assistant] I think the first postseason game under the new postseason rules, where both teams are guaranteed a possession. We all remember the 13 second game that went to overtime because of legend Harrison, but Kurt, a lot of people forget that part about the 13 seconds is that gave us


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[Assistant] Harrison, but Kerr. And so the bills did not get the ball in that game. Everybody raised a hoo-ha and they changed the rules.


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[Assistant] So the NFL said, all right, we're going to switch it for the playoffs only. I think this is why a lot of people saw a lot of tweets about the overtime rules. What's happening. People are confused about the clock. What happens if it hits zero? They were surprised the chiefs weren't in a bigger hurry. And I think Gordon got the promo cause he explained that with about a minute left. Uh, and so,


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[Assistant] Both teams are guaranteed a possession no matter what. The 49ers had scored a touchdown on that first drive. The Chiefs also still would have gotten the ball even though two years ago that the 49ers would have won with a touchdown.


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[Assistant] Because of the new rule where both teams get the ball and I think this is probably going to lead into just a total discussion on Kyle Shanahan, uh, and the fact that he just loses the biggest games is that you probably want to kick off in overtime now. Why?


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[Assistant] You want to kick off because it's kind of turned into a college over time. If the chiefs, if, if Kyle Shanahan, the 49ers kick off here, right?


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[Assistant] Now the Chiefs go down and let's say they score a touchdown, let's say they kick a field goal, whatever. As long as they score points.


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[Assistant] You're the 49ers, you get the ball back knowing you have to go for it on fourth down every single time. So you're getting a bonus down. The team that gets the ball first isn't going to be playing with that aggressiveness. They're going to be playing more timid. They're going to punt on fourth and two from their own 40 because they're going to fray. You give the other team the ball and field goal range. They can just end it with one kick.


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[Assistant] And so I think the only thing that would, and I'm sure Kyle Shannon will be asked about this after the game is that maybe he's thinking if both teams score, now you have the ball third and it's sudden death and that


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[Assistant] Is an advantage, but that's only if you make it to that third possession of overtime, which overtime almost never makes it to three possessions. So, uh, yeah, I really think that Shanahan should have, uh, kick off and he did. And here we are.


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[Assistant] And that's the thing is that maybe Shanahan didn't really have time to think about it. Cause you in your head.


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[Assistant] There was no way, you're starting practicing for the Super Bowl. You're not going to think, ah, Super Bowl is going to overtime. There's been one overtime Super Bowl. Grant Shanahan was a part of it. So God bless the man because now he's got, uh, he's been a part of a 28 to three blown lead. The first Super Bowl ever to go to overtime in that Falcons Patriots game.


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[Assistant] Uh, he blew a ten point lead the fourth quarter of the Chiefs in Super Bowl 54, tied for the second largest blown lead in Super Bowl history. And he has now blown a ten point lead to the Chiefs in Super Bowl 58. Again, tied for the second largest blown lead.


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[Assistant] So if he didn't know this, there should have been someone on his sideline telling him, hey, cause there's a two minute break between the fourth quarter and overtime. So you do have time to think about this. And so someone should have said, Hey coach, there is probably, it would make a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] To kick off here, if we win the coin toss, and they didn't do it. So, I mean, we can go backwards from that, but that really felt like once they made that decision, it was like, nope, moms get the ball second and the Chiefs are going to win.


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[Assistant] Jake Moody hitting a 55 yarder was the big wow factor. And I was like, Oh, the longest field will hit, but it wasn't buck or what a freaking tease. And then to have buck or come out.


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[Assistant] And this wasn't just the first 57 yard field goal in Super Bowl history. It was the first time anyone had ever even attempted a 57 yard field goal. No one had ever attempted a kick over 56 yards. Coaches just don't do that. For whatever reason, they're more conservative, conservative.


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[Assistant] In the Super Bowl, and man, I really thought Bucker had a legitimate shot at winning MVP here. I mean, we're looking, if you're watching on YouTube, we're looking at the five longest kicks in Super Bowl history.


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[Assistant] three of them happened in with Moody's two kicks of and Harrison Bucker sett 57 yards. Moody became the history to make multiple


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[Assistant] The kicking, the whole thing, I mean, this was just, this was a fantasy game for me because it was just not fantasy. This is what I dream of before I go to bed because it really, it wasn't just the field goal kickers. They were awesome. It was that special teams played such a huge part in that game. I mean, you look at the muffed punt that really,


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[Assistant] The guy is a rookie and he hit a 53 yard field goal, the third longest field goal in uh, Super Bowl history with under two minutes left to give his team a lead. That is pretty freaking clutch.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, but this was an absolute kicker game. The kickers were on fire and I really thought Harrison Bucker had a legitimate chance to win MVP. I tried to will into existence. I said, I think I sent about six tweets out.


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[Assistant] Just saying, at this point, Harrison Bucker has four field goals. If he hits the game winner in overtime, he's winning MVP. There's no way you cannot give him MVP, uh, unless Patrick Holmes instead drives down and gets a touchdown in overtime with, uh, Patrick Holmes magic. And that's what happened instead. And my homes deserved it too.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, but Bucker was awesome. Game winning field goal last year in the Super Bowl. Awesome this year.


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[Assistant] We talked about players who could eventually make the hall of fame last week. Bucker has put himself on that list.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we saw, uh, Mr. Wisnowski have that punt that got down inside the one yard line. I thought Tommy Townsend had some huge punts that really saved the game for the Chiefs because when the Chiefs were struggling on offense,


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[Assistant] Early in the game, especially, uh, Townsend had a 62 yard punt on their second drive, just he flipped the field and the Chiefs defense clearly needed that because the 49ers would want run up and down the field until they got down into, uh, field goal range. So yeah, Tommy Townsend, Mitch Wichnowski, it was a special team's just fantasy world. It was amazing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the 10th scoreless first quarter in Super Bowl history.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, the one thing I'll say is that there's literally two people on this team who can yell Andy Reid like that. It's Patrick Rhoames and Travis Kelce. If anybody else does this, I'm pretty sure Andy Reid leaves them in the locker room at halftime and says, Hey, why don't you go sit next to Kaderius Tony? Uh, cause that's where we're going to be spending the rest of the game.


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[Assistant] And look, the thing is what happened is, is you look at what Travis Kelsey did in the first half. He had one catch for one yard. And I'm sure this all played into it. And I'm sure he went into halftime and he said, can we just get me the ball? I can get open. And Andy's like, well, we don't know because you don't run routes. You just do whatever you want.


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[Assistant] And Patrick's is getting pressure, so he doesn't have time to figure out what you're trying to do. And boom, what did they do? They figured things out and went eight catches for 92 yards in the second half. And I think the other.


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[Assistant] The funny part of this is that literally, I'm not even kidding, three minutes after this happened is when they showed Taylor Swift on the Jumbotron at the game just shotgunning a beer or chugging a beer or whatever and it was like the camera operator.


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[Assistant] Pan down, saw the Kelsey read stuff and then saw Taylor grab a beer because she was totally on edge the whole game. I mean, she is a fantastic football fan. She saw the, uh, her boyfriend yelling at the coach. She's like, Oh my God, someone get me a beer. I need to chug it. And then the camera turned to her and I mean, it was the whole, the whole swift Kelsey clan took over that five minutes of the game.


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[Assistant] That's nuts. And I think they showed, they showed a graphic where every other quarterback combined is way under 500 and my homes is.


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[Assistant] You shouldn't be winning when you're, it's like he wants to trail by double digits just so he can bring them back.


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[Assistant] Look, you get on the cusp two times in 40 years, you have to face the same team.


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[Assistant] And as Brenton said, I guess that's the silver lining is that you lost to some legends. You lost to Tom Brady, you lost to Patrick Mahomes twice, but I think


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[Assistant] The six, the first two possessions, it was six passes. McCaffrey did get one pass to him for seven yards, but the point was they basically gave up on running the ball to start the second half and threw six straight passes and went three and out on two possessions.


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[Assistant] And if the Chiefs had lost, that's something we would be dissecting for 10 minutes. A hundred percent. How bad it was they didn't challenge that.


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[Assistant] I think it just depends how you felt about, uh, a lot of the singers that came out, like during your heyday, cause I know that a lot of the younger people, look man, when I heard take that one back, I love Ludacris, I love, uh.


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[Assistant] I killed it. Little John, Leisha Keys, but my rating was like a 7.5. I didn't love it, but I definitely, I didn't hate it. I thought it was pretty good. I was into most of it.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm going to say, because we've been talking about how Kyle Shanahan, and I know some people think, well, it's not completely his fault. And, and you look at his history and he was the offensive coordinator for the Falcons and he just ran into a buzzsaw with Mahomes and Super Bowl 54. And again, Mahomes with the legendary overtime drive. He has been the play caller for three Super Bowls.


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[Assistant] How many points do you guys think his teams have scored in the fourth quarter of those Super Bowls?


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[Assistant] The field goal for Moody was his first fourth quarter points and a super bowl as an offensive play caller. That is somewhat your responsibility. So I'm going to throw that out there. The other thing I'm going to say about


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[Assistant] The other thing I'm going to say about Shanahan is we talked about this after the divisional round when he didn't know when to use his timeouts the end of the first half, he just let the clock run out. He was in a situation, all three timeouts when the Chiefs got down to the 49ers 14 yard line.


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[Assistant] Uh, they end up kicking a field goal with 23 seconds left. If he had used all three timeouts, they could have gotten another possession with 50 or 55 seconds left. So.


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[Assistant] It was just, again, how do you let that happen twice in one month when that was a huge thing that people were talking about. And so it just seems like he gets into situations where Shanahan is prepared for 99.9% of everything, but that point one that he just doesn't get it is he can't figure it out.


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[Assistant] You also weren't muted and, uh, you talked. Uh, but let me just say real quick cause we're talking about Kyle Shanahan. He actually was asked about the overtime stuff and he said,


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[Assistant] They took the ball, so he knowingly, like we assume, Brent, there's no way he didn't know the overtime rules, but he took it because of what my theory was that he thought if there was a third possession, he'd have that ball in sudden death.


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[Assistant] No, he's saying if we take the ball first and the Chiefs match us in points, then we have the ball in sudden death with the game on the line.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not only were we super close, but I mean, it was borderline about to happen, even with the Chiefs got down there. Cause you're talking about 49ers trailing, uh, or the Chiefs trailing 22 to 19.


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[Assistant] You have the Chiefs getting down to let's say the 32 yard line. It was third and one and that's where my home scramble for 19 yards. And at that point it really felt like it was over.


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[Assistant] But if they get stopped there on 3rd and 1, and you have to send Butker out for a 50 yard field goal to tie it in overtime at 22, and he hits that, and then, I don't care what happens after that, if you have 5 field goals and your team wins and multiple 50 yarders, and at that point,


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[Assistant] I think Mahomes threw for only seven more yards, so he was still going to finish with about the same stats he finished with. It would have been a tough debate. And if he added a six field goal that won it over time, he absolutely wins. If he doesn't have the six, then it's split. People probably still vote for Mahomes, but it was there. There was a pack. There was a pack.


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[Assistant] Well, and the thing that added a little drama there was that on the play before it, it went, it's, the play started with 10 seconds left on the clock.


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[Assistant] And it only took four seconds. So if you're Andy Reed, you're thinking I have a smart quarterback. If he does the exact same thing, we'll have two seconds. But yeah, you cannot risk that because then.


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[Assistant] You become the new Kyle Shanham, even with your two Super Bowls, everybody's like, remember that Super Bowl, the Andy Reid blue, because, uh, they just ran out of time. They didn't even get to try the field goal. Uh, yeah, maybe Dan Campbell goes for it there, but I think that's where you got to take the tie and go to overtime. And it felt like the game was kind of the momentum.


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[Assistant] I have to say real quick, I wish we had the clip because Prisco gave me an F because he said special teams predictions were stupid and then nothing's gonna happen and blah blah blah. Too bad Prisco's not here.


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[Assistant] Uh, look, I don't want to be a homer, but obviously the Paramount commercial that we already knew was coming. Oh, that's a great one.


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[Assistant] It was pretty hilarious. It was even funny because that commercial came out I think last week and watching people tweet about it and react to it for the first time. Just absolutely loving it.


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[Assistant] And my third one, let me just say that, you know, we have been to so many Super Bowls that you rarely get to stay home and watch commercials. I don't Google them the next day. So to be able to kind of watch this live was exciting. Uh, number three was State Farm with Arnold Schwarzenegger.


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[Assistant] Well, she flew in on Saturday afternoon. I think there was some reports that she had was already there Saturday morning. I don't think her flight landed in Vegas till about


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[Assistant] Uh, 130 pacific time, so about two hours before the game. That's why she, cause if you were on Twitter, if you looked at the pictures, you saw Jason Kelsey there. You saw Donna Kelsey there. They were kind of hanging out in the box. Kylie Kelsey was there. No sign of Taylor Swift. Everybody's wondering where's Taylor Swift? Well,


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[Assistant] Well, and I'll say one thing real quick about Taylor is that when they, they would pander her after, uh, when the Chiefs were behind and she had that anxiety on her face that we all felt when one of our teams is losing where she, with the arms crossed and just totally nervous and...


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[Assistant] Yes. And so it's like she clearly, you know, she loves the guy because I'm not sure how big of a football fan she was before the season. You know, she grew up an Eagles fan, but it's not like she was showing up at Eagles games, but now she looks like she is ready to go talk football, watch football and just do anything football. And she's clearly enjoying herself. So good for her.


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[Assistant] Oh wait, one more commercial. I think, uh, Clarity in the comments mentioned it. I guess we have to bring it up because it's a big special teams night. Gronk missed the kick of Desti. What are you doing?


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[Assistant] Look, he had a year to prepare for it. It's just a 25 yarder, correct? It's embarrassing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they should let Brinton try it next year. I'll bet you before.


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[Assistant] Someone, uh, maybe someone told him that was the best way to do it, to keep, keep the ball straight.


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[Assistant] I just love that Romo has been kind of, not like mocking the officials about that all year, but just where it doesn't make any sense because they're not being consistent with their grounding calls. We've seen a couple insane ones that made no sense. They had the Josh Allen one. There's just, I mean, there's


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[Assistant] I would have preferred they stop the, I know it was at an interesting point in the game, but at least show the casual fans who have never aren't watching football all the time that you need to stop and like explain this one. Go review it. I didn't think it was as cut and dry.


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[Assistant] That the officials clearly thought it was because they didn't review it and they just kept going. And that was at a huge moment in the game. Uh, so, cause that was the overtime one. Yeah. And so it could only be stopped by the officials. There was no challenging and he clearly lost control of it. It was just a question of did he make two, uh, two football moves or take two steps to make a football move?


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[Assistant] Well, that's one thing, I think that one thing, Kadarius, Tony, you look at, uh, I mean, look at the Chiefs punt returning. You're talking about a guy who I think had the longest punt return in Super Bowl history last year? And then...


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[Assistant] And then you have this year where Richie James had like three putt returns for four yards. I don't, it wasn't that, but it was, it was not great. It was four returns for twelve yards.


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[Assistant] The point there is that when we said Travis Kelce was yelling at Andy Reed in that game is that if you're on Andy Reed's wrong side, there's only two guys in that roster who can be, and he's not going to deal with the serious Tony drama. And that's it. He didn't let him play in the AFC Championship game.


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[Assistant] What's going on, Break Chat? No, I hear Mobile Alabama is very romantic this time of year for Will and, uh, and Ryan, so that's great.


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[Assistant] Isn't that what you do in relationships after you, the long drawn out one, you get someone younger, you get someone hotter, isn't that typically how these things go? I mean, I'm not sure about that because I'm just about to get married, so I'll find out I guess later on.


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[Assistant] They've gone down in defensive efficiency in every single year to basically rock bottom in 2023. And so to bring in somebody to help stabilize that, who also will inject some youth into this overall program, I think it's a great hire. I think it's very encouraging. Obviously there's a lot of questions that we'll get into, but just instant gut check. I think this is a good hire.


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[Assistant] Yeah, fewest amount of points in the league. Baltimore allowed this season, and I think they were top ten, maybe even top five, and total yards allowed as well. So yeah, I mean, across the board, they were stacked on defense. They had a great scheme.


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[Assistant] But, but you kind of hit on something there too. We're talking about, you know, obviously the new thing in the NFL has been to hire from the Shanahan McVay tree offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] of the McVeigh, Shanahan going into this decision. Because if we look at what the Ravens were able to do against the Shanahan, Kyle and Sean McVeigh offenses this year,


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[Assistant] I think that that's something that Seattle's looking at saying, okay, you know, we might not be able to hire the next offensive genius and maybe that's not what we want.


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[Assistant] But we're still in a division with Kyle Shanahan and Sean McPay. We need to find a way to stop those guys. And is McDonald the Shanahan stopper in some regards? I mean, we've seen that this year, so I think that there's some element to that in there. Obviously not a direct


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[Assistant] And I'll tell you this too, just to further that point home, 8-0 this season, the Ravens were when facing the 49ers, Dolphins, Rams, Texans, Bengals, and Seahawks.


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[Assistant] All of those teams have Shanahan McVeigh ties on the offensive side of the ball. Obviously Seahawks, you know, not, not withstanding Foley, but


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[Assistant] That is something that I think, like I just want to say it again, I think that that's part of the calculus here for bringing somebody like that in. Not only did he lead the best defense in the NFL, but it is directly shutting down the two high powered offenses that they're going to have to go against four times a year in that division.


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[Assistant] Exactly. I mean, go back to 2014, under Dan Quinn as the defensive coordinator. This Seahawks team was the number one defense in the NFL. You go all the way to 2023. You go that entire decade of a run.


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[Assistant] Under Pete Carroll and obviously they've gone through a multiple defensive coordinators in that time. So obviously that takes hit and certainly you lose talent like Richard Sherman and go down the list. You lose that legion of boom over time.


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[Assistant] But something needed to be changed here. You can't rank 30th in the league in a division where you need to shut down these offenses and in an NFL where, yes, obviously defenses are making a certain, you know, comeback, if you will. I know everybody talks about offenses, but you know, you still have the Ravens number one defense in the league, make it to an AFC championship game.


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[Assistant] As an offensive coordinator, so that's going to be the next big question here on top of Gino Smith as well. But from that side of the ball, I do think they're going to have a lot of their answers solved with the hiring of McDonald.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this, because obviously we, I think we both agree that we like this higher.


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[Assistant] How surprised are we that it was McDonald? And how surprised are we that it was not Dan Quinn? Because I think the second we saw that Pete Carroll was going to step down, get fired, whatever you want to call it, pump up into the front office in a certain degree in an advisory role.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of us thought, okay, well, Dan Quinn, come down aisle six, you're going to be the next head coach in Seattle Seahawks. And obviously that didn't come to fruition. How surprised are you that that didn't happen? And do you think that that was a mistake? Not going back to the, to the Quinn, Quinn well.


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[Assistant] Right, right. I think if, obviously, if they were going to hire, and it would have been relatively immediately because Dallas got eliminated, so it opened up the avenue for them to go down that path that they wanted to. As you mentioned, the further we go down this thing,


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[Assistant] But I did think that initially this was Dan Quinn's job to lose and whether or not he lost it for familiarity with Pete Carroll and them just wanting to go in a different direction, maybe they just wanted to go young, whatever the case may be, I do find that


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[Assistant] Just surprising in itself. You told me that Quinn was, I don't know, do you want to call him a top five hottest coaching candidate at one point this year, going into, going into this off season, the fact that he now looks like he's going to be going back to Dallas when a job like Seattle was open. I would, I would call that surprise.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no, I mean that is, like you said, the question. Now I don't necessarily know who they would bring in as OC. Obviously Shane Waldron, now the offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears. So there's a hole there, especially after, you know, allowing all these coaches to seek other opportunities with Pete Carroll.


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[Assistant] From San Francisco and that's gone off in flying colors. It's been a fantastic hire and the fact that they're able to retain him in Houston is huge. And so to me, it's not only a which offensive coordinator you're going to bring in.


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[Assistant] You also have to be comfortable with the fact that that do my bolt for a head coaching job in the next off season. So there's a lot of layers there as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, you know, talking to Geno Smith's future, I think we do have to take a break. So I think we maybe we give that a little bit of a hook to say what we'll talk about with Geno Smith's future after a little short message, I would assume you could toss it over there.


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[Assistant] I like, I like it. You know, listen, if you're gonna ignore Harry, it's fine. You can lay it up to me and we can go back and forth. It's like a LeBron and D-Way type of thing. That's how it's gotta work. Totally fine.


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[Assistant] My Celtics banners around this room, I don't think would like it too much, but sure, that's, that's totally fine. But no, just to the conversation that we were talking about before the break about Geno Smith.


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[Assistant] One thing that I think that they could possibly do, and I think that this is probably the right route to go down if you're Seattle in terms of building this thing around McDonald, specifically the offense, because as much as we talk about him on the defensive side, he's gonna need help on offense, and Ryan Wilson probably can speak to this a little bit better than me, but


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[Assistant] Is this a team that's earmarked for a day two quarterback? Cause that to me feels like that would make a ton of sense. If all of a sudden, you know, a guy like, I don't know, JJ McCarthy is in day two somewhere and he starts to fall a little bit and Seattle's on the clock. Is he somebody you bring in?


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[Assistant] to me seems like a perfect kind of team Seattle with the way that Gino Smith's contracts currently constituted. You can have him for 2024 work through the offense, kind of build your identity. And if he falls off or if you just feel like, Hey, listen, we like whoever we draft, whether it be JJ McCarthy or whoever you find on day two or day three, that could be, they feel like a team that does that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, it's more B plus likes it. I think that that's probably where I stand because, admittedly, we don't have the full picture. It's a lot easier. As much as we're praising the defensive side and I think it's super important to fix that for Seattle.


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[Assistant] To me, I, I give it a B plus. I like the higher, I like McDonald. I like what he should be able to do to that defense to fix it with the pieces that they have in place on top of the guys that they'll probably add this offseason. But,


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[Assistant] The fact that we still don't know what they're going to do on offense to me is what keeps it out of that A range.


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[Assistant] I think yeaah, sure. Number three overall pick. Let's go, let's go New England. Let's bring, let's bring it in. But, you know, I do think one thing that's worth pointing out with, with McDonald's here though, is the fact that, I know, I believe NFL Network, I think it was uh, Tom Pelicero, had that it was a six year deal.


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[Assistant] So to get a six year deal for a guy that's one of the youngest head coaches in the NFL is to me speaks volumes about the commitment that they have. Obviously these head coaching deals are fully guaranteed. You move off of one of these coaches, you're paying that entire contract the rest of the way. So the fact that they're investing the time,


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[Assistant] Right. And the fact that again, it's a first time head coach. It's not like somebody like Vrabel who's kind of been there before as a head coach, worked with personnel. So we're really going to see Schneider as the architect of whatever this next ever is going to be.


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[Assistant] It's my entire lifetime in between McDonald and Pete Carroll, which is pretty remarkable to see, see all of that go down. But it is interesting to see these teams, whether it be Seattle or even up here in New England, going from the super old head coaches to now this whole young wave.


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[Assistant] I mean, let's, this is the next question though, right? Obviously Seattle's now filled. There's one more head coaching position that needs to be filled in Washington. Do we think that's going to be a younger guy or do we think that's going to be a Dan Quinn?


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[Assistant] Belichick coming out of the clouds or do we see this trend of younger head coaches? Because I thought this was going to be Ben Johnson's job in Washington. Ultimately, he's going back to Detroit. Where do we see this going now with one spot left?


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[Assistant] I don't know if they've talked to him yet, but I think Mike Vrabel is the sleeping giant for that, for that opening. Cause I, I still think that he is


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[Assistant] A number two overall pick. And if you bring in a guy like Mike Vrabel who can establish a culture pretty much overnight and is still a great game manager, like I said in my mind, that to me would be a home run type of combination.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I don't know if they've talked to him. I don't know if he's on their radar in that regard. Maybe they wanted, wanted to bring in McDonald or Ben Johnson. But to me, if you're going to strip it back and start this whole process over, I think he's a guy that a lot of these teams are going to regret not hiring.


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[Assistant] This is the Pixix Podcast and this is the Conference Championship Recap. That's Will Brinson, that's John Breach, I'm Ryan Wilson. Alright guys, let's start in Santa Clara.


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[Assistant] With the 49ers trailed, the Lions 24 to seven and a half. And this is where I point out since 2022, the 49ers were 0 and 5 when trailing by 14 or more points at any point in the game. And then all they did was score 27 unanswered points to that late Lions touchdown. They recovered that little tidy onside kick, kneeled it out. San Francisco is going back to the silver bowl. We'll face a familiar foe and the old Kansas city chiefs. Plenty of time to talk about that, but now let's talk about that San Francisco Detroit game. So Brinson.


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[Assistant] What are we to make of this 49ers team? One that was invisible for large parts of both their playoff games, first against the Packers last week, and then tonight against the Lions before setting the world on fire.


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[Assistant] I think we just, it's important to give the flowers to the team. I agree.


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[Assistant] So to get to what we really want to talk about here, and Breech just talked about the first half.


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[Assistant] Lions had 280 total yards in the first half to 131 that Breach mentioned. Uh, they had 148 rush yards and it looked like Kyle Shanahan was going to walk down the sideline and strangle Steve Wilkes for not getting the defense to play like it's supposed to. But let's get to what happened with, uh, Dan Wilkes and his aggressiveness here because, um, here's what I'm going to say.


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[Assistant] That's what got them here, this aggressiveness. So I'm not going to fault Dan Campbell for that, but you can certainly be angry if you're a Lions fan or if you're Pete Prisco, who's a traditionalist or even BMAC was tweeting about it. Uhm, so here we go. 24 to 10.


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[Assistant] Campbell goes for it on fourth and two at the 49ers, 28 yard line and Josh Reynolds drops the ball that hits him in the hands. Is it a tough catch? Yes. Should he catch it? Yes, he should also.


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[Assistant] Would you have kicked or gone there? It may sound like Greg, Greg also made the point that


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[Assistant] Alright, so let's get back. So we got the field goal. I think I'm okay with that. I'm guessing you guys are okay with the field goal before I have?


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[Assistant] Painful reliving of what happened in the second half of these.


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[Assistant] Lion. So, Dan Campbell goes four to fourth and two. They're up 24 to 10 on the 49ers 28 yard line. Seven minutes to go in the third quarter. I mentioned Josh Reynolds dropped the ball to hit some of the hands. Tough catch yesterday. You made it. Absolutely. So instead of going up 27 to 10.


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[Assistant] Uh, the aforementioned, uh, Brenton, Brandow, Yuk, Kendall, Vildor, helmet smash touchdown, uh, or to the five yard line happens. And look, man.


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[Assistant] We say it all the time. There's a reason these guys are playing defense because they can't catch. Ball hit him right in the freaking face. You would like to make that catch. He didn't make the catch. Shout out to Braden Ayuck. And look, the other thing we talk a lot about is that sometimes, uhm, Rock Party struggles with a deep ball.


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[Assistant] Okay, do you feel better about converting a fourth and two or 59% chance of making the field goal?


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[Assistant] No interruptions for 90 seconds. Here we go. So instead of going up 27 to 10, the IU could play down to the five yard line. CMC scores a few moments later. Um, and then it's 24-17. A little tight butt syndrome going on. So five minutes left to go in third quarter. Uh, two minutes later it's tied. Jameer Gibbs fumbles on the first play on a wonky handoff and, uh, a 70 point lead in eight minutes. Arrivederci. So, um,


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[Assistant] And I'll just ask, ask you Brenton, uh, how much blame are you putting on Dan Campbell? Because as Breach notes, if even if you kick the field goal there, you're up three scores and that makes things immeasurably more difficult you would imagine for the 49ers.


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[Assistant] Hey Breech, let me add real quick that the next one you're talking about here, fourth and three from the 49ers 30 yard line, uh, just under eight minutes to go in the fourth quarter. Golf rolls right and throws in complete when he gets flushed out of the pocket there. The 49ers come down, Elijah Mitchell, one play, one touchdown, 34-24 game basically over. So same question to you there, Johnny, unless you have something else you want to add.


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[Assistant] One other thing I want to mention, because we can talk about the decision making with Dan Campbell, and I think Brenton's right, and Breach, I think you would like to agree, but that's why the Lions are where they are. They would have been an 8-win team, best case, maybe, if they don't take those chances.


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[Assistant] But also wanted to know like little things also add up besides the decision-making from the head coach. Josh Reynolds forgot how to catch for large parts of this game. The Vildor doink doesn't help on the brand new thing.


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[Assistant] The punter booms a 76 yarder, it bounces straight up inside the four yard line, and Chase Lucas, for reasons that remain unanswered to me, catches the ball in the end zone instead of calming down and catching at the one yard line. That could have flipped the field position. Instead they get it at the 20. That's another thing that happened. And then Mellon Fowle missed the sack on Purdy.


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[Assistant] Uh, that saved a big run that got a first down. So those things also add up.


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[Assistant] Breach, let me just say a couple things and then you can respond. Number one, I think that, uh,


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[Assistant] Brinson's Magic Beans that were shipped to Tomlin. He shipped it to the Kyle Shanahan in the last two weeks, number one. And number two, you sort of touched on it with the Cowboys Lions game in, in.


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[Assistant] Ready to go to the next play. And a lot of times when you ask players, they would much rather be aggressive than, than be passive, we think.


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[Assistant] One more thing before we move on. Would you have kicked a field goal earlier on the last drive for your Lions? They ultimately scored a touchdown, but they had to use the timeout. They had to go for a fourth down and they had less than a minute left by the time they tried the onside kick.


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[Assistant] Here's something that Brian McFadden said on the pregame HQ tonight when we were, uh, we were talking about the ending of the game we're going to talk about next, but also it applies to this Lions team. Uh, he said at his first Superbowl 2005, which was Coach Power.


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[Assistant] incidentally was in Detroit, coach Howard that week, two weeks in preparation told the coaches and the players, do not change anything that you've done to get to this point because you start turtling up and then you, you know, your butt cheeks get tight and things like that happen. And, um, we just saw a tweet that Debo put on the screen, um, from


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[Assistant] He understands the scrutiny that comes with, uh, the decisions he made. He stands by the fourth down decisions. He gets that as part of the gig. He doesn't regret coaching the way he did. And I think that's the way you got to think about it. And sometimes another thing that Dick LeBow used to say, sometimes the bear gets you, sometimes you get the bear. The bear, the bear mauled him. Um, our buddy Ben Solak tweeted this out, which is also


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[Assistant] Incredibly demoralizing. Expected points lost for Detroit. Minus five and a half points for the Gibbs fumble. Started the snowfall of terribleness. The IU doinker minus three points. Uh, Reynolds fourth down drop minus three more points. The incomplete to St. Brown on fourth and three minus two and a half points. So, I mean, they, they could have won by three scores it feels like, but they did not.


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[Assistant] Alright, so we will talk about the Lions, and once we get to the off-season conversation, because they are now official in the off-season.


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[Assistant] We'll talk about the 49ers later in the week, because they are still playing.


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[Assistant] But in the meantime, we're going to take a break when we come back to talk about that AFC championship game between the Chiefs and the Ravens right after this.


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[Assistant] The Ravens didn't take PMAX advice and they did the exact opposite of what got them there.


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[Assistant] Gus Edwards ran the ball three times. That doesn't make sense. And Breach, we talked last week and he caught a little guff for saying that Lamar didn't play great in the first half of last week's game and then turned it on. He didn't play great in this game either, not entirely his fault. But I think the chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, had never played on the road in the playoffs. Turns out it doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] Rinson talked about this often turning it on. Turns out they don't need anybody to be patching my home to Travis Kelsey and a little bit of received rice in there. And then, then you're good to go.


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[Assistant] Uh, Travis Kelsey had his eighth catch midway through the second quarter ended up with 11 catches on 11 targets and, uh, pretty much took over that game as to Patrick Mahomes. They ran the ball better than most teams have on the Ravens, uh, recently. I know over the second month of the last month of the season, the Ravens were given a bunch of yards, but they were.


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[Assistant] I think there are explanations for that. All right, Brenton, how'd the Chiefs do it?


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[Assistant] It is a perplexing development, no doubt about it. So as we go through their regular season, they had 11 wins against teams with 500 better record. That's incredibly impressive. And they were just smashing teams. They beat Detroit 38 to six. They beat Seattle 37 to three. The Rams was a little closer, but they scored 37, 31 Jacksonville, 23, seven.


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[Assistant] The 49ers in Miami and back to back weeks blow their doors out, 33 points and 56 points respectively. And then a 10 burger at home and their first AFC championship game, they rolled out T. Sytl, they rolled out Ray Lewis. Those guys, I would say they need them, but the defense actually played incredibly well in the second half. I think Mike McDonald.


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[Assistant] Uh, one of the best offenses, at least in the playoffs, because I've been crushing this offense in the regular.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it happened to Depot's Eagles and they turned out fine, so I'm sure that these teams will be okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I'll start here. Uh, Charles, the minute who went out and to, to both your points, one of your best, well, your interior deep subliminal, that certainly helps out Chris Jones as your dude.


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[Assistant] Uh, run the ball. Why aren't you running the ball? And by the way, when Isaiah Pacheco is running the ball 24 times and he only got 2.8 yards per carry, but the point is that they didn't go away from the run. And when you're having a conversation, 2024 Andy Reid is certainly different, but where Andy Reid is more committed to the run than you are, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror about what you're doing and why you're doing it because, um, it just doesn't, doesn't add up.


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[Assistant] The other thing they didn't have, they didn't have Willie Gay. He was out. He was going to be the spy for Lamar Jackson, which again, goes to the point, Hey, let Lamar run a little more. It was Leo Chanel. Leo Chanel missed a sack early on, I believe. Um, and he's certainly not the athlete that Willie Gay is and Ligeria Snead balled out.


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[Assistant] Dion Bush had the interception on the, on the triple team that Breach mentioned earlier. Trent McDuffie is one of the best young players in the NFL.


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[Assistant] The only way that turnover would have been better if it had been Mikko Harman who punched the ball out.


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[Assistant] It's very lion's-esque if you do the, uh, the negative math. By the way, in the interception, Lamar talked about it in the press conference. He was asked about it and he said, he saw it.


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[Assistant] Tampa too, so two deep safeties and a middle linebacker running deep. And he basically said what you guys talked about. He tried to throw it and give likely a chance, but he didn't put enough mustard on it. And that's.


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[Assistant] He said, you know, you can't make the mistake, but he knew what he saw. He just didn't make the play happen.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you about this. I want to hear some, uh, some of Princeton's game theory on this. So, 234 to go. They just kick the field goals for Ravensdale to make it 17 to 10. Uhm, and there's a penalty that makes it first and five for the Chiefs. Baltimore had 12 men on the field.


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[Assistant] So, I never heard of this game theory, but I, I think it makes sense, at least the way Romo was selling it to me. Rokhwan Smith actually destroys Trey Smith. All he had to do was touch him to get- Oh yea, this is really smart. To get the offsides pin already to make it first and 10.


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[Assistant] But instead he got called for a personal file because he tried to put Trey Smith through the back of the bleachers. Uh, you okay with that?


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[Assistant] Um, let me ask you this. Let's give, let's talk some more, have some more happy thoughts about the Chiefs. We talked about how, uh, the 49ers sort of got here and it, you know, you feel good about it if you're a 49ers fan, but you don't feel great about the way the offense is playing, given the way they play in the regular season.


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[Assistant] How excited are you about the way this Chiefs offense is coming together? And is this sustainable with Travis Kelce, Rashid Rice, and then MBS Rando catching it into the game to seal it?


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[Assistant] This Chiefs team offensively isn't where it needs to be. And they did only score 17 points, but they had a really good first half. Is this the best Chiefs defense Patrick Holmes has ever had the pleasure of enjoying? Easily.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. No, I would imagine it's, it's a, uh, it's a low point. Although,


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[Assistant] I mean, the Ravens expectations, I don't know of anyone picking the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Everyone picked the Ravens. A lot of people had the Chiefs covering, because I thought, we all thought it was going to be close. Like no one was down on Patrick Mahomes, but the way, the efficiency with which that Ravens offense and defense had been operating, to Breach's point earlier about where


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[Assistant] The A straight 50 yarders after converting that 52 yarder.


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[Assistant] It's a record for me. It's a Wilson record for Harrison Bucker. Uh, all right. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll do a little sneak look ahead. Early Superbowl 58 preview 49ers Chiefs. We'll tell you what the line is right after this.


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[Assistant] I mean, this is crazy town USA, but, uh, Brenton, you can tell us that this is a normal. The line opened at 49ers minus two and a half is down to one and a half already, uh, 30, 45 minutes after the, the final whistle of the late game there.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're similar like that, no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, maybe. I mean, it's a great story. I think a lot of people were... I was pulling for the Lions because it's a fun story.


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[Assistant] Uh, hey, let me ask you this, Breach, because this feels like a reversal of what we just saw, but the teams probably played a little differently. The last time these teams met in Super Bowl LIV.


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[Assistant] Uh, San Francisco led 21-10 entering the fourth quarter, then Kansas City pulled a 49ers, 21-0 in the fourth quarter, and it was Kansas City's first win since 69, and they've gone on to go to the Super Bowls since then.


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[Assistant] What are the, what are the big storylines for you coming into this game? Cause I don't think that last game is going to have any bearing. A lot of the faces have changed on the San Francisco side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Let me just say this quickly, uhm, and I will be picking the Chiefs almost certainly, unless an Astro. Same.


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[Assistant] Took the double L. Prisco has achieved and Breach has been out for two weeks, so.


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[Assistant] It's me versus Pete, old man versus older man for all the marbles. So I also have.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so let's go into reverse chronological order, or just chronological order. Devo, was it worth it in retrospect? No.


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[Assistant] That's very true. By the way, uh, Patrick Mahomes won't say this out loud, but Kansas City Chiefs fans, if you want to stay home and watch the game from the comfort of your own home, you don't like the, the, uh, hedonistic nature that Las Vegas might provide, just know this. Patrick Mahomes at Allegiant Stadium.


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[Assistant] Alright, a little uh, a little trivia here. If you cheated, then we'll move on, but Patrick Mahomes can become the fifth quarterback to win three Super Bowls. Who are the other four?


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[Assistant] Terry Bradshaw, there's one more. Troy Eggman? Troy Eggman! You guys are good at this. There you go.


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[Assistant] Andy Reed. We were texting about it. Andy Reed fits the role. Parents ties. Tom Landry for third most bright head coach.


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[Assistant] And, uh, he can become the fifth head coach to win three, along with Bill Belchuk, Chuck Knol, Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh.


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[Assistant] Yep. Hey, let me ask you this breach. And this is something that our buddy Joe Musso brought up when he was on HQ earlier. If they win this one, any pushback from dynasty conversations for the cheese?


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[Assistant] Yes. The Chargers and who else? Chargers Eagles. Oh god, even worse.


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[Assistant] Wowzers. That's a lot of points. Good little nugget there.


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[Assistant] Do you have an early, uh, lane breach or do you want to do a kicking prop?


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[Assistant] So if you're listening to the audio version, Devo just flashed a graphic that will certainly keep you up at night. Uh, Pick 6 Live from Vegas. CBS SportsHQ will be...


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[Assistant] Hold on, hold on one second, hold on one second. We're going to be there at media night, we'll be there Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Brent's going to be doing some podcasts with Katie Mox, doing some gambling stuff as well. Be sure to check that out. Go ahead, Brent.


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[Assistant] Whole early Super Bowl odds show is going to be tomorrow, Monday at 2pm.


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[Assistant] By the way, if you don't have a dog in this fight, by that I mean all your, your favorite team is out. They're officially in the off season breach. I'll be at the senior ball this week. So if you want to check out the old with the first pick podcast, me and Rick Spielman will be doing some shows from there. And then the following week we'll all three be together in Las Vegas.


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[Assistant] Uh, what's the over under on how many of us get arrested?


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, if you're Simon Londer, you're, you're, uh, whatever the, what's the


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[Assistant] That's it for the old, uh, conference championship recap. For Willie Bear. For Johnny Boo. For producer Debo. I'm Ryan Wilson. We'll see you guys this week. Go 49ers.


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[Assistant] Want revenge here. They lost to the Chiefs four years ago, of course. And it's been, what, since 94? Is that right? Since the 49ers won a Super Bowl. I mean, that's, that's a long time.


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[Assistant] I think it might have been like 80-20, although I will say a large number of the 49ers fans and people in the building petered out pretty quickly after that first team. They better pay off the beer sales for all we know.


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[Assistant] I think, I think it's just Swifties. Yeah. I mean, I think, well, I think that we're, look, we're going to see probably the most watched Superbowl in NFL history. Um, I mean, almost, I think it's almost like a guarantee and let even if it's a blowout, you know, you might just get more Taylor Swift.


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[Assistant] Right, uh, the Steve Travis Kelsey catches a touchdown pass and, you know, does the heart sign, you know, blows kisses up to the, up to the, up to the luxury box where she's watching the game. And I do think, Breech, you pointed this out, but


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[Assistant] We'll probably see CBS because she got like 44 seconds of airtime during the AFC Championship game.


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[Assistant] I like the way that the NFL and CBS crew was sort of reading the room there and saying, look, we understand she's here. She's a part of the storyline.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, we can't, you can't tell the story of the, the 2024 or 2023 NFL season, excuse me, without Taylor Swift, but at the same time, you know, we have Ravens and Cheese, a huge football matchup. We don't want to make it about her. I think it will be a little bit different during the Superbowl, but we've also had a situation where, um,


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[Assistant] You know, that approach. I'll be interested to see how the television, uh, part of that plays out. But yeah, I don't think Swifties were a factor tonight in attendance. I do think Swifties may be a huge factor. Maybe they were, Wilson. Maybe you're right. Maybe there's a bunch of Chiefs fans who were there just to see Travis Kelsey.


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[Assistant] You know, like, unforesee- you know, some sort of situation.


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[Assistant] You know, at the hand of God act or whatever it is, like something like that that would prevent her. Like she's the most famous pop star in the world. She's madly in love with the guy, one of the guys top players for one of the teams that's in there. She's been going to all these games all year. It'd be crazy if she stopped going right now. Um, so yeah, I think, I think it's like 99.9% chance she's there.


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[Assistant] And it did feel like, I mean that 44, I feel like watching the AFC championship game, you really didn't see her at all. Like 44 seconds. I would, I would say, I'll say, uh, 135 seconds.


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[Assistant] That's, that's probably, probably pretty close to it. Yeah. I mean, Kyle Shanahan, not exactly old. And I think you have that, you have the lengthy amount of time that it's been for the 49ers since they won the Super Bowl. And also we've, we've, you know, we've covered this at length. Kyle Shanahan has a, you know,


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[Assistant] Then you have the 10 point loss in the Super Bowl, 21-10 lead, uh, so 11 point lead in the Super Bowl against the Chiefs. And Patrick Mahomes, you might end up being the greatest quarterback of all time. Uh, and then you have the 10 point lead against the Rams in the AFC title game against the Hall of Fame quarterback, Matthew Stafford. So there's a lot of like,


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[Assistant] That is a storyline. The Niner's Driving 1 for a while is a storyline, but at the same time, it's like, you know, I mean...


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[Assistant] You get two server roles in four years as a coach of the 49ers and you're getting Patrick Mahal as both of them. That is some bad, that's a bad beat, man. That's why it sucks to be in the AFC for the next 10 years.


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[Assistant] I would add to that, remember that when the Patriots


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[Assistant] Like, every person in sports, if Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs went five years without winning the Super Bowl, we would start to ask questions if they can, like, the magic is gone, like, do they need Travis Kelce to be there, et cetera, et cetera. Something, they would really find something to do with that. So, yeaah, I do think that the Shanahan narrative might be potentially just a narrative.


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[Assistant] For whatever reason, and it's possible, it's because it's the Chiefs have been there for a while. Remember the Patriots were there for a long time, we didn't get anything, but then you get Seahawks, Broncos, and Richard Sherman's popping off about, you know, this and that, never at all, and what not.


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[Assistant] Maybe Seahawks, uh, Seahawks, uh, Patriots. Anyway, the point being is, you got these teams that have been there. These two teams have been there twice in the last four years. They're not going to say something stupid. They have veteran coaches. They don't want them to give out bulletin board material. I also think there's a chance that the fans being in there.


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[Assistant] The difference in the vibe that it gives it makes it a lot less likely you're going to get something really spicy from a player. Does that make sense?


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[Assistant] I think maybe a little bit of both. You know, once you've done this four times, uh, I saw


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[Assistant] Peter Schreger tweeted out a quote from a home show. He's like, I'm just going to get into my Superbowl routine this week, which is insane to think that your, you know, 27 year old quarterback who's just got a routine for the Superbowl. You're just used to doing what you do during the Superbowl week. That's wild to me. Um, but you know,


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[Assistant] Check in, get ready. Monday is media night. And then like, it's just sort of a checkpoint. It's sort of like it is for us, right? We're like, we enjoy it, but you're also kind of tired of it. And you know, you, you've done it so many times in a row that it's like, all right, this is, I bet it, but you know that it's the Monday night checkpoint for you in terms of the Super Bowl week.


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[Assistant] Being asked by producer Debo to come over and mess with Ryan Wilson. He came over and photo bombed us. Uh, then he like pointed at Breach's jacket and then he rubbed Wilson's bald head with both of his greasy. I mean, think about all the, all the different places, like all the different, like, like you might have a new strain of.


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[Assistant] I was just gonna say too, sorry, I was just gonna add all of like, I think in totality, we've been here, I don't know, 24 plus hours now, roughly depending on which one of us got here and who you're talking about. But like this, I mean, we'll see how everything pans out for the week.


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[Assistant] But I think that like Vegas is probably installing itself as a pretty regular rotational spot for the Super Bowl because of the energy that it brings with it and just like sort of in the same vein as New Orleans.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the pick six podcast, CBS Sports NFL podcast. I'm Will Brinson. Joining me, John breach. We're here to break down an emergency fashion. The Dave can now list hire by the Carolina Panthers to emergency podcast for us breach in 12 hours or 18 hours. Not exactly as spicy.


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[Assistant] As the Jim Harbaugh news, uh, but the Carolina Panthers have now completed both their general manager and they completely coaching search within.


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[Assistant] Maybe seven years, close to like a long time. They know each other well. Canals had success with Gino Smith there in Seattle, jumps to Tampa Bay, does great things with Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] Gets the box at playoff win. And now we'll be the head coach in Carolina on a scale of one to 10 breach. How surprising is this higher?


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[Assistant] That's a great point. Um, I also think, and we talked about this on, uh, Wednesday's podcast with, uh, dues and BMAC.


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[Assistant] That a lot of times with these head coaching candidates, and I sort of pointed out how.


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[Assistant] You know, cause I asked dudes basically like, you know, Rex Ryan was the Jets coach gets fired and drove right back in with the bills and hasn't, you know, got fired from that job and hasn't been in coaching since. And sometimes you can, um, you can burn yourself by jump diving into quickly into a head coaching job where there are obvious red flags there.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, the follow-up was sort of, okay, well, what do you do if you're a guy like Dave Canales who is a hot name?


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[Assistant] And their point was, and I agree with this, is, is that...


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[Assistant] Canales, you know, Byron Lethwich was a hot name in coaching circle, head coaching circles just a few years ago. Yeah. His work with for like one year.


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[Assistant] For one year, but his work is an offensive coordinator for the Bucks. Now greater Tom Brady, different story. He's getting major buzz as a head coaching candidate. It's just a matter of time until he gets hired.


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[Assistant] That falls off a cliff. He gets fired by the box.


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[Assistant] And his name ain't even sniffing a head coaching search, right? Much less like an OC job. And so if you're Dave Canales.


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[Assistant] You got to strike where the iron's hot here, even if it means taking a job with the Carolina Panthers, which by far and away, the worst job for a head coaching candidate out there in the sense of what you have to work with. You got to like Bryce young. You don't have a first first round draft pick.


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[Assistant] He's actually born May 7th, 1981 Harbor city, California. So he is, um, like, um, basically two months older than me. You know what I would do in a heartbeat breach get paid millions of dollars per year to coach the Carolina Panthers.


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[Assistant] Like if I, and, and, and like, he just got, he's getting life changing money. He's becoming a head coach in the NFL at age 42 and he's doing it with just one year of experience to your point. I think it matters a ton for Dave Canales that he has Dan Morgan there who he can trust, but it's also like, this is, there's.


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[Assistant] In a, in a head coaching, searching psych, head coach search cycle. Whew. Say that five times fast with Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick out there for Dave Canales to get a job is pretty wild. And if you're him.


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[Assistant] Absolutely jump on this opportunity with a guy, you know, and Dan Morgan, I got you a GM you trust, like, you know, there's not going to be some power struggle coming in. You believe in him. Uh, and even if you get fired by David temper, 11 games in like Frank, right? You are still getting a life changing amount of money.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, and uhm, I agree with you. Like, the Bryce Young thing, anybody who is taking the Carolina Panthers job had to have told David Tepper, I can make Bryce Young work.


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[Assistant] Cause David Tepper wants Bryce Young to be right in the same way that Jerry Jones wants to win a Superbowl as a general manager. It's a, it's a matter of pride at this point. And you know, we, Bryce Young has, has caused some plenty of heat for his performance. Um, this season, David Tepper's caught plenty of heat for, for meddling and drafting him. And I don't think that's going to slow down anytime soon.


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[Assistant] If Bryce Young becomes a good quarterback, everything in the criticism of David Tepper and the criticism of the Panthers eases up significantly. And whether or not that happens, I like, I don't think we can know. I mean, it's, it's too early in his career. I it's too early for to write him off as a bus to like people like Pete Presko do. Um, but yeah, if you're Dave Canales, you told David Tepper, I can come in here, but you say, look,


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[Assistant] We need to get some wide receivers. We need to get some weapons for this guy.


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[Assistant] But you look at what I did for Baker Mayfield and what I did for Geno Smith.


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[Assistant] Two quarterbacks who, you know, Baker, a former number one overall pick was in Carolina. They saw Baker firsthand.


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[Assistant] Like that's how they feel about Baker Mayfield. They let him leave midway through the season after benching him for Sam Darnold. And then Dave Canales helps take Baker to the playoffs and does it on when you're redoing the offensive line, uh, almost, almost really completely, you know,


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[Assistant] So would Tristan Worse move to the left side?


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[Assistant] Uh, Joe Brady, somebody in the chat asked, wasn't it Joe Brady? Joe Brady was before McAdoo. Remember, this has been a situation with David Tepper where he sort of forced, um, the off, the, the, uh, he sort of forced the,


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[Assistant] Offensive coordinator on various coaches like Thomas Brown wasn't a guy that Frank Reich wanted to hire. Dave Tepper wanted a superstar coaching staff. And you also had a Joe Brady who was forced on Matt rule. I'll be curious to see how much David Tepper involves himself in this coaching staff and in football operations.


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[Assistant] I asked Deuce and BMAC if they thought that the Dan Morgan thing, VP of football operations, that title where, you know, his promotion, what it meant for them. I'll tell you what, let's take a break and we can discuss that and how they'll build this out after the break next.


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[Assistant] So as I was saying before the break, we discussed whether or not Dan Morgan and


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[Assistant] Whether or not his title is VP of Football Operations meant that David Tepper will medal more or less in the Panthers this season. Any thoughts on that?


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[Assistant] I, I honestly thought I do the Panther stadium show on, um, what Sunday mornings. And I like every Sunday and I thought they were going to fire me from that job because of.


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[Assistant] Well, like the column I wrote on Dave Tepper for CBSsports.com, I mean, I went scorched earth on him and my dad texted me, he was like, that's fantastic. You really ripped this guy. I was like, oh boy.


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[Assistant] Like turn, there was an article, there's something ripping David Tepper for how badly he screwed up the Panthers and like, you know, and then you have, they're giving away the first round pick had to fire everybody.