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[Assistant] What if I took reams of interesting notes over the course of three hours only to discover when the lights flickered on that the pen had been dry and recorded nothing?


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[Assistant] Why do I, a professional journalist, constantly find myself relying on free hotel pens during crucial moments of my assignments?


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[Assistant] Could I press hard enough with an inkless pen to be able to reveal the indentations of my handwriting after the fact by rubbing over them with crayon?


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[Assistant] Wasn't it just my luck that the only pen I had brought was very likely incapable of writing, and that I had idiotically placed myself under conditions where I would be unable to definitively confirm this for three hours?


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[Assistant] In more abstract ways, I had prepared rather thoroughly for this assignment, having contacted Dr. Barbara Shin Cunningham, the director of the Neuroscience Institute at Carnegie Mellon University, and asked her if becoming aware of my own body sounds would make me go insane. No, she said.


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[Assistant] Unless you have a predilection for being insane to begin with, which, you know, could be. That opened up a new avenue of inquiry.


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[Assistant] I called Dr. Oliver Mason, a researcher of psychotic disorders at the University of Surrey who has led studies monitoring subjects' experiences in anechoic chambers.


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[Assistant] If you take away all sensory input, Mason said, our brains, which are always trying to distinguish signal from noise anyway, simply see signal where there objectively isn't one.


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[Assistant] Even if they have no mental illness, some people are more prone to conjuring phantom signals than others, and will do so much more quickly, according to Mason.


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[Assistant] Most people tolerate short periods of time in lightless anechoic chambers, about 20 minutes for his experiments, quote, fine.


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[Assistant] Individuals prone to, quote, unusual perceptual experiences who think things are happening to them when they're not often report experiencing hallucinations within that small window.


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[Assistant] He offered to send me a questionnaire to gauge my psychosis proneness. Some of its questions prompted obvious answers.


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[Assistant] On occasions, have you seen a person's face in front of you when no one was in fact there? No. What?


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[Assistant] Others caused me to wonder whether what I had always assumed to be typical and commonplace life experiences shared across humankind were, in fact, normal.


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[Assistant] Have you wondered whether the spirits of the dead can influence the living? Has anyone?


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[Assistant] Question. Are your thoughts sometimes so strong that you can almost hear them? Isn't that just how thoughts work?


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[Assistant] In the chamber, while panicking that my pen had spontaneously become non-functional, I recalled the definition of schizotypal personality disorder I had looked up online after taking the test.


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[Assistant] Were these merely the, quote, distorted, superstitious, and unusual thoughts of someone on the slightly high side of medium with some experiences of a schizotypal nature, I wondered? Maybe. But what if maybe not? I switched to a pencil.


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[Assistant] Preliminary notes thus recorded, but what if maybe not? I lay back and imbibe the silence.


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[Assistant] My contemplations reeled to persons who had wronged me and ways in which I might have revenge. All perfectly legal, of course.


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[Assistant] The Delta Airlines customer service hold music, which I had recently listened to for over an hour, mumbled into my head.


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[Assistant] Whoops, I was definitely about to fall asleep and still had not managed to sneak a peep at the awesome and terrible abyss of consciousness revealed when overhearing the odyssey of one's own blood. I whip my head back and forth several times to try to make my blood slosh.


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[Assistant] I determined to gather data about other normally quiet things I might do that would now be loud. You know what was loud? Massaging my scalp.


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[Assistant] Chomping my teeth produced a resonant sound inside my head, one my husband would have hated if he were there. But he wasn't, so I repeated the chomp many times to be able to describe it with perfect accuracy.


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[Assistant] Like wrapping knuckles on underside of oak table to fake spirit presence during seance.


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[Assistant] The rustling of my paper as I jotted down notes was extremely loud too.


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[Assistant] The extent to which the room sounds like nothing is a matter of pride for Orrfield, but also a source of agitation.


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[Assistant] In 2004, Guinness World Records certified the anechoic chamber at Orfield Laboratories as the quietest place on Earth, with an ambient sound level of negative 9.4 decibels A-weighted.


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[Assistant] In between those dates, in 2008, Guinness World Records was sold to the Jim Patterson Group, a Canadian conglomerate that also owns the Ripley's Believe It or Not franchise.


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[Assistant] It's still possible for an individual to submit evidence of a new world record to the company's official records management team.


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[Assistant] Today, a representative said the company makes about as much money from consulting as it does from selling books.


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[Assistant] In 2015, Guinness World Records announced a new record holder, an anechoic chamber at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Washington.


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[Assistant] According to the official Guinness record, tests performed at this location, quote, gave an average background noise reading of negative 20.35 dBA.


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[Assistant] Although the bottom of an announcement touting Microsoft's achievement advertises Guinness's ability to quote, raise brand awareness for corporate clients.


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[Assistant] A representative for Guinness denied that Microsoft had availed itself of Guinness's consultancy services for its record attempt.


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[Assistant] Poppycock with an average flapdoodle rating of plus 10 million fiddle faddles.


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[Assistant] According to him, Microsoft's measurements were not subject to the same stringent testing parameters as his and therefore could not be definitively considered an improvement upon his Chamber's 2004 or 2012 figures.


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[Assistant] Even if they could, he said, Orfield Labs recently achieved what he described as, quote, a legitimate measurement of negative 24.9 dBA, besting Microsoft anyway.


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[Assistant] Orfield has filed an application for his chamber to reclaim its title and is currently awaiting response from Guinness World Records, he said.


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[Assistant] And that Guinness' records management team is in the process of assessing both his evidence and their testing criteria. Of course, to humans, none of these numbers make any difference.


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[Assistant] If the sound is less than that level, there's no change in the auditory nerve response.


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[Assistant] What if I've only been in here for 15 minutes? Flapped around my consciousness like a trap moth for hours.


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[Assistant] After a brief period of motionlessness, I detected my heartbeat.


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[Assistant] I stared at the sliver for several seconds, waiting for it to mutate into a psychedelic light show or Satan's face.


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[Assistant] In 1951, Donald Hebb, a professor at McGill University, received a grant from Canada's Defense Research Board with the enthusiastic encouragement of the CIA.


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[Assistant] In one experiment, HEB subjects, college students, were led to a small room and instructed to don cotton gloves and cardboard arm sleeves to limit their touch perception and translucent plastic visors to limit their vision.


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[Assistant] They would be paid $20 a day, they were told, just to lie in bed and do nothing.


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[Assistant] Few of the students walked away with more than $40 or $60.


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[Assistant] Many of them said that after prolonged stints in isolation, they began seeing, quote, images.


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[Assistant] The hallucinations tended to manifest first as simple forms, like lines or dots of light.


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[Assistant] Over time, these evolved into more complex patterns, and then detailed scenes.


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[Assistant] One student reported having observed what a researcher recorded as a procession of squirrels with sacks over their shoulders marching purposefully across the visual field.


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[Assistant] Was I hallucinating a common effect of removing spectacles?


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[Assistant] Could this be an extremely sophisticated delusion playing off my brain's expectation of alterations to my field of vision when I remove my glasses, I wonder? No.


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[Assistant] The sole hallucination I experienced on my journey to the rumored brink of insanity was one manufactured in the brains of other people.


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[Assistant] A collective fantasy that a room could be made hazardously quiet.


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[Assistant] In theory, the internet, the most complete repository of human knowledge that has ever existed, would seem a likely tool for efficiently obliterating such incorrect notions.


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[Assistant] In practice, it functions as a loudspeaker placed at the mouth of a cave.


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[Assistant] Despite the pleasant sensation I noted as I quit the chamber.


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[Assistant] Investigators reviewed personally handwritten notes, files, papers, binders, memorabilia, to-do lists, schedules, and reminders going back decades.


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[Assistant] This pandemic has now touched every corner of the U.S. economy. Uh, workers for large companies and small companies. So,


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[Assistant] I had zero pain, like on a scale of zero to a hundred, it was a zero. Yeaah. That's what it was for me too. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so he can see far in one eye and near in the other, and then he does the same. He wears a corrective.


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[Assistant] Contact if he needs to, but he's I guess shooting with your eye open with both eyes open. He can see his pin with one eye and the target with the other and.


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[Assistant] And they told me, so they, they gave me a little bit of, uh, conflicting information because I, they said, you know, you'll probably need readers. And I was like, is that after the surgery? And the lady was like, no, it's because of your age. And I'm like, well, if it's because of my age,


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[Assistant] And she's like, yeah, you'll probably need readers. And I'm like, so is it my age or is it the surgery? And she's like, well, you know, as you get older and I'm like, I can see okay now, am I gonna need readers after the surgery? And then, yeah, sure enough, I've got about 20 inches now that I can't focus on anything. I think that'll get better.


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[Assistant] See, and I can see my computer screen like at two feet away. Everything's just fine. But when I'm holding like the water bottle, I couldn't even get the lid off the water bottle. It's one of those child-proof flip lids. And I'm sitting there, I can't focus on it to even see where I'm supposed to flip it at.


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[Assistant] I was, I think 2050, 2045, 2050 before, so it wasn't like I was coke bottle blind, I didn't even wear glasses or anything, but I'm 2015 in both eyes now, and immediate, we're a week after and I can see


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[Assistant] I think so. I better check that, I didn't know I could shoot a cow. Yeaah, most of, most of the over the counter units in Idaho for Archie with an A-Tag, you can shoot a... Anything. Anything. Oh wow. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Man. Yeah, I mean, definitely check and make sure, cause each unit or each zone is, does have slight variations.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're, they're gonna go from their relaxed summer.


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[Assistant] Alright, it's, there's a lot of activity in the woods this weekend and, so yeaah, it's, like you said, early season's tough anyway. Donnie and I hunted opening day last year, I think, or at least close to it, and we hunted that first week of September.


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[Assistant] And we heard very, very few bugles. We only called in one elk and it was the elk that he shot on the last night of the hunt. So that early season is tough. And we, our strategy was sit water during the middle of the day and they weren't coming into water during the middle of the day. They had been up until


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[Assistant] So there's definitely a shift right about that time where the bulls move off by themselves. They're not patternable as far as coming into that water.


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[Assistant] No, August 15th, you know, 10th, 15th, they rub their velvet, their necks are still skinny and they have the summer sleek necks.


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[Assistant] Rapid change, which means what they're looking for, what they're doing, where you find them, how they're acting, everything changes. Sometimes overnight.


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[Assistant] And that's a hard part, you know, when we talk about Idaho and Montana and Wyoming and Colorado, we're not as susceptible to drought. Like when we talk about drought, you know, they Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, they rely on water. And when it's dry there, there's only one water hole where every animal has to go to water.


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[Assistant] In Idaho, when it's dry, yeaah, there's a lot of, you know, forest fires or whatever, but they've got water around every corner, literally. I mean, there's springs that never dry up, even on the driest years. There's always moisture for them.


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[Assistant] There's gonna be green, good, nutritious food for them, like you said, down low, up high, so they're gonna be scattered, and yeaah.


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[Assistant] At our house it's always usually July 4th when things go from green to, to brown. Yeaah. You know, and it's a, we usually get a week of hot weather right there leading up to July 4th and that one week is all it takes. Huckleberries start popping, you know, everything just happens.


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[Assistant] When I left home, the huckleberries were barely, they were just a couple that were starting to turn purple.


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[Assistant] Like you said, everything is still green. The fields are green and here we are almost first of August. So I mean it's, it's going to change, but I think it's going to change things for the better. I think, you know, the, the elk aren't going to be isolated in one little pocket. You're going to find elk in more locations, which hopefully will spread the people out.


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[Assistant] Uh, it should, you know, and you look at places that have been in drought that are now, you know, that rely on water that are now wet. Yeah. Antler growth in those places is going to be off the charts. I already saw that. I think the governor tag in Arizona. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's been 15 years ago now. They watched it in the summer in a completely different unit.


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[Assistant] I can't believe you shot him in that unit. We were watching him all summer over in this unit. So they'll go, you know, they'll travel, like you said, five, six, even eight or ten miles to go to find the cows, even though it always amazes me because there might be cows right there.


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[Assistant] They're looking for cows. They've got established dominance, so they're willing to fight. They don't have the cows yet. And so that was always our sign is when you see big solo bull tracks on logging roads, that's when it's about to start. And there's always that September 5th-ish timeframe.


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[Assistant] And then by about the 10th or 12th, they've usually found their herds and their cows. And from then until the, you know, 17th, 18th a week there, that's when they're fighting and you know, cows are swapping back and forth, different bulls are coming in. And then from then, you know, after that, from the 21st, 22nd on,


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[Assistant] They've got their established harems. They're more focused on breeding and so there's just kind of that, you know, you can almost break it down into week sections that August 28th through September 5th.


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[Assistant] Is when you're gonna find the bigger bowls by themselves in their staging area, raking, not moving very far, all solo, they've all broken up on different ridges and benches.


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[Assistant] And then from the 5th to the 12th, you're going to find the bulls kind of roaming and you know, individual bulls looking for cows. And then the 12th through the 19th, you're going to find.


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[Assistant] Bulls that are fighting super vocal, you know, it's a good time to call and then the 19th through the end of the month is when they're, you know,


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[Assistant] Get in when they're all these bulls are getting together and they're really wanting to fight and establish who's the boss and.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, there's, there's a lot going on.


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[Assistant] So, we, we, uh, I'm the same. I can't sit still. I just, you know, if nothing's answering, it's like, yeah, something might be coming in, but something might not be coming in. When you get an answer, you know there's an elk there. When nothing's talking, it's, you know, you're rolling the dice. But,


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[Assistant] More times than not, especially those younger bulls, you know, the,


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[Assistant] The 4.5 point small 6 point, they're more curious during that early season that first week and so it's pretty common that if you're just calling and again you're going to be aggressive with your calling it's going to be some cow calls a little


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[Assistant] But man, so many times that first week you can hear a branch break and it's like, alright, something's over there. Pretty soon you'll see a head pop up and look around and it's hard, you know, cause they're coming in slow and cautious and they're stopping and they'll stand there for 10 minutes without moving, just listening and yeah, but it happens.


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[Assistant] I can only imagine that during the peak of the rut in a place like Kentucky when the elk start bugling and get active, it's, you know, there's a lot of sightseeing going on and just people being out there observing and listening.


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[Assistant] We'll probably try to, to get a tag for rifle hunting, but


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[Assistant] I just, I haven't had luck finding mature bulls in rifle season. It's, for me, it's tough. You've, I mean, that's your comfort zone. You've put you out there for seven days and you're going to find elk.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, if you're hunting that first week of September, the bulls haven't quite started branching out yet. They're in their solo places. You can usually tell. I mean, there's going to be fresh rubbed. You're going to see fresh tracks from a bull.


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[Assistant] And if you get into that, there's no need to just keep going through and, you know, googling aggressively and bumping them. You know, sit down, rake a tree.


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[Assistant] Start raking a tree and then listen for a bit and throw out a couple cow calls and just listen for a bit. It's a lot, you know, it's, it's not as exciting. If you're an impatient person like me, it's hard to just sit there.


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[Assistant] Those elk are spread out enough and there's just one bull here. There's one bull on the next ridge. And if you start just going through aggressively, you're going to bump them and you're not going to see them again. So. Well.


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[Assistant] You might get a cold morning here and there, but the overall weather pattern, you're still just...


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[Assistant] And what I've found in all the areas we've hunted in Grizzly area, I won't hunt after September 15th in there.


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[Assistant] But man, every gut pile that hits the ground is just another beck and call for them to come down and, you know.


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[Assistant] Well, when we made the Linguist film and Donnie shot a bowl and we drugged the carcass out on an open hillside that was four or five hundred yards across the draw, just thinking, hey, we can hike out to this ridge and look over. And I think there were five grizzlies on it and two big male grizzlies that were fighting over it. I mean, we got to show like.


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[Assistant] You can't imagine, but it just, you see the tracks, you see the sky, you're like, yeah, there's grizzlies here.


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[Assistant] But then you see five grizzlies on one hillside and you realize how many are out there and you're bump, you know, you're weaving through them and just taking a chance. You're going to bump into one. Yeah, boy, I hope I don't have that problem.


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[Assistant] The opportunity for success. So, you know, that's, that's a big one. But if you're hiking up to the top of the mountain in the morning.


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[Assistant] And you get up on top and decide to hike back down to the bottom of the mountain to go to camp.


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[Assistant] There was only one or two tags, so the chances of two people getting one, but I know several people that picked up tags.


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[Assistant] They have a leftover draw that happens at the end of June, I think. And you have like a five day period there, any tags that were left over, anybody can apply for them.


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[Assistant] Somebody said that they got a phone call from the department said, hey, you're next on the list and the season opens in like two weeks or whatever. I don't know if it was, it might have been Utah, but yeah, so same thing to have an alternate list. And it's like, hey, somebody just turn the tag back in. You've got two weeks here. Do you want the tag? And yeah.


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[Assistant] And, you know, it's, I lost all of my points, so I'm starting over, because if you have more than two, they knock you back down to zero anyway, so you can't build points.


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[Assistant] Uh, Oregon, the whole east side of Oregon that everybody relied on for over the counter hunting of Rocky Mountain Elk. It's all draw now. Uh, Idaho used to be the same thing. I could, as a resident, I could shoot an elk on September 15th.


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[Assistant] And once COVID hit, they started selling out the day that they became available, you know, December 1st or whatever for non-residents. And Wyoming, you know, a general tag only took one or two points to draw. So you had a lot of options as a non-resident for literally just showing up and hunting.


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[Assistant] All of those options are gone now, with the exception of Colorado, so that puts all of that pressure on Colorado over the counter. That if you just wanna...


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[Assistant] So if it's, if it's considered precedence and a landowner wanted to press charges against a hunter,


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[Assistant] They could get that case dropped just based on the ruling that has precedence, but where it's...


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[Assistant] I still have people that come up to me and they're like, I just don't support the Idaho Fish and Game. They're the ones that brought wolves in.


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[Assistant] It's just one person gets mad and they need somebody to blame and it's like, well, they're the ones that are most visible. I'm going to blame them. They're still, I mean, the damage that ripples through the hunting community from some of those misinformed


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's just, you know, the Idaho fishing game was not responsible for they, they, their hands were tied. They couldn't.


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[Assistant] Right. Couldn't keep them out of Idaho. And then they were stuck with having to manage them with no budget for it. And so I mean, there's just a lot of things that we like to blame on different agencies or different people that, you know, it's most guided for sure.


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[Assistant] And that's, you aren't looking, you're trying to avoid them. If you were hunting them and out trying to find them, you'd realize really quickly how many there are.


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[Assistant] And they just don't have the budget to be able to save, so I mean the estimated numbers are just...


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[Assistant] Which is what they, I mean you look at the lawsuits that come against them. Idaho, you know, the legislative branch is the one that introduced and said,


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[Assistant] Yeah. You know, we've got all these weeds, we've got acres and acres of crops planted.


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[Assistant] There's, uh, there's plenty to talk about. I'm excited. We get to do a Q&A tonight.


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[Assistant] And uh, those are my favorite, like getting the emails that we get on the website, going in and having people ask specific questions. You and I can sit here and talk about any topic we want all day, but we want to know what people...


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[Assistant] Are not in shape. Their feet are in tennis shoe shape. And their boots aren't broken in. Well, no matter how many seasons they've worn, they aren't broken into their feet. Exactly. And so they're laid up.


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[Assistant] Your ankles are supported in a pair of boots, so it requires more of your calf and knees than...


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[Assistant] The problem is when you walk in, you know, say the mountain's on your right side, your side hill and so your left foot's downhill. When you get to the back of the drainage, you don't just turn around and come out the same way. You go to the other side, come down. So yeah, there's days where it's like my right foot got all the workout today and it is on fire.


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[Assistant] Have relied on for a long time, which has caused all sorts of imbalance. Really? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, trekking poles are, well, we hunted, the first year I used trekking poles was when you and I hunted together in Montana.


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[Assistant] I don't even remember how long ago that was. 8 years ago. Was it 8? Was it in 15?


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[Assistant] What is, what's in those things? Cause you're just cruising up that mountain with those and they are, they're just like ski poles when you're skiing, cross-country skiing. You try to cross-country ski without poles and you're spinning your wheels. Man, you get your arms and your shoulders helping pull your legs up the hill.


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[Assistant] They're always in my pack. If I'm elk hunting, they're in there because if I shoot an elk, like you said, I may not use them to hike into the area, but when I shoot an elk, I don't want to have to walk back and get my trekking poles. I need them there, so.


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[Assistant] Okay. So that, it's, it's available year round now. So, Bull Rush is our new September. Bull Rush. Bull Rush is the new September flavor.


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[Assistant] Because they only get it in September and I think we had a, like a one week period when we launched Destination Elk where it sold out in like a couple days. Yeah. That they brought in a limited quantity, but it'll be available in September and. Okay. So. Bull rush, huh?


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[Assistant] On the label of the product and you know, it's coming into your bugle.


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[Assistant] So if you have Bugleberry and Bullrush, I mean, you're


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[Assistant] Yeah, anything on Mountain Ops. Okay. Yeah. And they have just, they have like this random schedule. Like one day you'll use the Elk Talk pod or the Elk Talk promo code and you'll save 30%.


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[Assistant] detrimental to, you know, kidney health and I think kidney stones can come from


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[Assistant] That uh, I think by the time this podcast comes out, I hope it's okay to talk about it.


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[Assistant] You copied on it. Well, I talked to Jake yesterday, but I didn't get the email, but yeaah, they've got, uh, gummies.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so these gummies, you can take a gummy to help you fall asleep instead of, because so for me,


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[Assistant] When I have a drink of anything right before bed, I have to get up at like 2 30 in the morning and to pee and relieve it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So a gummy that I don't have to drink two cups of water to get the effects of the slumber, I can just eat a gummy right before bed and then I can sleep and not have to wake up. And you sleep so hard you won't even pee in your sleeping bag.


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[Assistant] He's, he's willing to fight then. Like you said, he's moving with cows and if there's another bull, even if it's just you behind him.


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[Assistant] Or that they're patternable and they're going to take the same trail to get to the same place every day.


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[Assistant] So rather than chase them up the mountain when they get their bedding area, you tire out and walk back down the mountain to your camp and take a nap. You just, you just walked out of probably the best opportunity you'll have.


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[Assistant] It's specific and yeaah. Specific detail on strategy and, and we do the in the zone videos on the Elk101 YouTube page and there we basically take a single setup


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[Assistant] And use 3D modeling to show, and so it is very specific, you know, and somebody says, what do you do if a bull's moving, you know, up the mountain to his bedding area and he's got cows and won't turn around?


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[Assistant] We've got a video of that and we show and then we model, you know, so you're not just looking on ground level through a camera. You get up in the sky and you can see where the bull's going, why he's going there, what the thermals are doing.


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[Assistant] Well, the hunter needs to be up here. You know, he can't just follow him straight up the mountain because when the thermals change, he's going to get busted. He should move over onto this ridge, which you can see in the, you know, the 3D imagery. Get up here and then there's a bench and then he can come across that bench. And so.


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[Assistant] And so when you have actual footage and 3D imagery and stuff that you can show, it's so much easier to explain and so much easier to understand.


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[Assistant] You know, adding your instruction and your knowledge and experience there, I really think that it is the most comprehensive course.


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[Assistant] Well I do have to say, if you're gonna get Spike Elk and bring him into Kentucky, selecting Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah is probably a pretty good place to get him. Absolutely, absolutely.


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[Assistant] Well I just, I'm curious about what kind of terrain you have to pack them out of, cause Alaska wasn't much fun for packing an elk that big, but I'm guessing Kentucky's probably a little bit more, uh, favorable for that.


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[Assistant] Which I think when people think about Kentucky, they aren't thinking 80% forest, 10% active and reclaimed surface mine, 9% agriculture.


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[Assistant] That's an 1% urban matrix. You know, that's...


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[Assistant] You don't think of that when you think of Kentucky, but then, like you said, you go back into the...


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[Assistant] Way back in the pioneer days and there were a lot of elk back there. The elk were the number one deer species across North America back in that time and a lot of places, a lot of different sites in Kentucky are named with elk names and it's just, it's so awesome to see things come full circle, true conservation taking place.


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[Assistant] What's the primary use of the private land of those bigger blocks that are signing up for access? I'm guessing it's not agriculture for a lot of them.


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[Assistant] No, you mentioned, you know, management being different between Western states and back there. What, uh, you know, we've got all sorts of predation and depredation, winter mortality. What, what do you deal with in Kentucky? Cause I'm guessing winter kills probably not a huge issue. Is there predation on, on elk? What's, what are some of those factors?


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[Assistant] We're coming back from spring break and driving, it was like two o'clock in the morning and came around the corner and there were two of them on the left shoulder of the road and so I...


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[Assistant] And I have never felt, never felt such remorse. Like it's amazing. You go hunting and of course, you know, you feel, you, you recognize you're taking the life when you're hunting, but I'm out there hunting with the purpose and the intent to do that. Driving and killing an elk, I felt like guilty. I felt like I,


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[Assistant] So any of those tags in, you've got a chance to hunt the rut with each of those seasons. Yep, absolutely.


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[Assistant] Can you hunt with a bow during the firearm season or is it strictly firearm?


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[Assistant] I know, and I asked if there were other ways to obtain a tag, it, uh, it definitely piqued my interest.


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[Assistant] Well, the good news is Gabe compared it to North Idaho, which is where I grew up, so.


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[Assistant] I would, uh, I would, I don't know, I mean it's easy to say sitting here, but I would imagine with them being probably as vocal as they are, it probably wouldn't be overly difficult to locate elk in Kentucky during the rut.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I would, I would be as aggressive as you possibly could with calling.


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[Assistant] No, but I mean, and I look at it, you know, I apply in several states and Kentucky is definitely the least expensive one.


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[Assistant] I think it's worth 30 bucks from all of us to apply with the hopes of getting a tag, but really know that what we're doing is supporting that conservation and making that piece of pie bigger.


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[Assistant] That's incredible. And you know, Randy talks a lot about that piece of the pie and how, you know, it's so important that we bring new hunters in and we get people passionate and excited about elk and elk hunting and it just, it increases the opportunity for hunting. Yes, that's important, but I think just that


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[Assistant] The perpetuation of that opportunity that our next generations, our children and grandchildren are going to get to see that and be a part of it where if there weren't departments like yours gave and if there weren't organizations like the Elk Foundation working, you know, years ago, 40 years ago or more, with the foresight to see what was to come,


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[Assistant] And just to see the work they've done in my lifetime and the work that hunters have done and contributed to and to see the love and the passion they have for elk and the desire to preserve that and conserve that is just, that's exciting. That makes me want to do more and keep doing more.


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[Assistant] Oh, I'm probably not as good as you, but I'm trying, you know.


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[Assistant] I woke up in the two dog kennels and I have a 20 by 25 dog kennel. Both dog houses were leaned up against the east side of the fence that is the dog kennel. And I looked out last night at about 9.30 just at the twilight hour and if I wanted to I could have taken my snow blower out to blow the hail off my driveway. Wow.


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[Assistant] That little pea, that little pea size hail will take all that like two years of dirt and stain and water stain off there. My truck looked so clean this morning.


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[Assistant] But you can tell where it all runs off. I've got two big long streaks along the edge of my truck that have about two inches of dirt laying there. It's like, I'll shovel that off when it dries off.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's cool. I, uh, I was bear hunting for five days last week and it snowed or rained every day.


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[Assistant] There was not a day that we didn't have precipitation and the visibility was varied from 100 yards to 400 yards.


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[Assistant] Black bears, they're, they're no dummies. They're like, well, come about the end of May, there's going to be a lot of groceries on the landscape here. And so I, I, I bear hunt a lot in those areas. Well.


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[Assistant] There was a group of 11 bowls and one of them already was so far developed with four points on the lower half.


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[Assistant] And his two fronts were already ridiculously long. I'm like, wait a second, he just didn't shed last year.


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[Assistant] And then when the visibility broke, I'm like, I've never seen an elk in this part of Maine that is that far along. Is that like?


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[Assistant] Abnormal? Is that weird? Is it a function of when they drop their antlers or?


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[Assistant] Tomorrow we find out if we draw Nevada, so maybe this is your year.


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[Assistant] You know, it's pretty hard to get a tag when you say, just give me a point. Usually their computer systems don't mess that up and send you a tag.


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[Assistant] That's nice. That's what they did this year. See, if you wouldn't have followed the instructions in Montana this year, you would have got put in a second draw. And your odds in that draw, yeaah. No, you didn't see that part.


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[Assistant] Well, there were a bunch of hunt codes that said first choice only. Well, it was supposed to say first and only choice.


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[Assistant] So the software booted anyone who put a second and third choice.


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[Assistant] Well, you would think a software company that's getting paid millions of dollars would say, oh, if this is first choice only, let's not even give them a second or third choice. Well, they let them put in second and third choices and then it booted them and disqualified them from the draw.


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[Assistant] Well, after the draw, people are like, what happened here? It doesn't say if I drew it in draw, it just says disqualified. Well, they find out what the problem is and they're like, all right, all you people who got booted, who can't read instruction.


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[Assistant] And it's really not their fault. The regulations didn't say first and only. It said first choice only.


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[Assistant] That doesn't mean you can't put a second or third choice. So I think I put more of it on the department, but rather than redo the draw or just say, Hey, we made a mistake. They added 10% more tags in these people who got booted.


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[Assistant] Got in a draw for some very coveted tags where their draw odds were 40%.


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[Assistant] Well, next year I'm going to see if in Montana if I can figure out how to check a box that messes up my application and maybe I'll be in a, you know, I'll, I'll get a tag.


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[Assistant] We'll take some notes from the Montana Technology Group and maybe you will get an out tag for putting in for a point.


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[Assistant] Okay, well that's good to hear because uh, I did apply for that unit that you called me from. Yeah? Yeah. My odds are like, I think I looked


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[Assistant] So I gotta ask you this, we're in between the day that Wyoming drew results yesterday and Nevada draws tomorrow.


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[Assistant] I didn't get a text message from you hooting and yelling and jumping up and down that you ended up with a.


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[Assistant] A Wyoming Oak tag, is that because it's such a good unit you don't want to tell anybody or?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you, you guys have pretty darn good success there, that's for sure. Bye.


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[Assistant] Well, I just, I wonder, you know, haven't watched a lot of these systems mature. I'm comparing the, uh,


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[Assistant] Creep, or if you want to call it that, of the Wyoming system.


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[Assistant] To what it got like in Colorado after Colorado system has been, had been around 15, 16, 17 years. And it's like following the same exact path.


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[Assistant] Maybe not quite as bad as Colorado's was, just because Wyoming gives 25% as random tags, so it does allow for a little bit more of a


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[Assistant] Mike and Bo have both been on plenty of episodes of our content, long time friends, so I'm looking forward to it. I'll be honest with you, I did not expect to draw. I was surprised that we drew.


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[Assistant] But, uh, you know, just looking at that, I, the other part, if you look at the history and trends, and maybe this is the benefit of being grey like I am and being older than Methuselah's grandmother, is that,


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[Assistant] There are tags I picked up in states as second choice.


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[Assistant] They had to say, I can't do this. This is not my budget right now. Uh, and I picked up tags that now are taking four or five, like, I, I don't know, a couple times I picked up Wyoming pronghorn tags as second choice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I think it'll be interesting to see if that is just a little bubble in our economy or if it's a longer term trend. If it's a longer term trend.


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[Assistant] Every prior event like that since I've been involved in these application games has resulted in a bit of a relief to the number of applicants, but maybe it won't.


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[Assistant] Because one of the things I do know that we are, this is just a demographic thing. You look at the age of the hunting population and it's a much older population now than it was 15, 20 years ago. And as they got older, they got more time and they got more money and they've been buying these points waiting for the day.


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[Assistant] I could be wrong, but I think someday 20 years from now, there's going to be like all the old farts like me are in their rocking chair drinking coffee and the young energetic hunters are going to be like, Oh man, look at that. I drew, you know, whatever with one point.


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[Assistant] All these old parts are, they cashed out. They, they, they're, they're not doing this anymore. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but, uh.


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[Assistant] Just seeing some of this stuff for me as a student of history and kind of this little microcosm.


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[Assistant] Creates a quasi preference point system like Arizona takes 20% of the tags and makes them a preference. Utah takes half the tags and makes it a preference. All you have to do is look at Colorado.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, here's what it is. I, uh, I've not drawn anything else this year. Uhm, I, I struck out in Montana for everything, struck out in Arizona, struck out in Utah, I'm tough.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well if you lived in Bozeman, you know, you go down to the coffee shop and hunt and season half the guys there have just got so close to a 400 inch bowl.


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[Assistant] I'm doing something wrong. I've never been to a place where I hear so many stories about 400 inch bowl out cause I do in Bozeman, Montana, but I've never seen one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the next ridge or the next ridge or the next ridge. So yeah, I read that email. I'm like, is this guy just trying to lead us on a goose chase here? Because I'm sure the folks in Washington and Northern Idaho are like, let me tell you, this is not easy hunting. So, um,


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[Assistant] We got another email where a person wants to know where I get my elk information. Did you read that one?


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[Assistant] I didn't reply to the email, I just thought, well, I'll remind the world that I make most of this up, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, 78% of the time I probably just pulled it out of thin air.


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[Assistant] No, Google is your friend. If you are like me and you are a member of the Wildlife Society, which is the society, the professional society of all of the wildlife biologists, you don't need to be a wildlife biologist.


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[Assistant] But I subscribe to their publications. I'm a member of their organization and the journal comes out and it's full of great stuff. It also gives me access to their website where I can go and research all these old articles and all these old journals of research and projects.


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[Assistant] I hope you have about a month of time because that's how much stuff is going to pop up for you to read. And so the, I know it's boring reading, you know, it's all these modeling things and they use Latin terms for everything. And, uh, I,


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[Assistant] They need a Google translator for that stuff. You should be able to just take these scientific journals and run it through Google and say, okay, here's what a, you know, the average person


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[Assistant] Put it in layman terms. There you go. Uh, so I spend a lot of time doing that. I spend a lot of time doing graphs and charts and saying, well, if this was the case in New Mexico,


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[Assistant] Where, what happened in Montana? Or if this was the case that, you know, in springtime in New Mexico,


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[Assistant] Where did this transition in summer and fall and winter? And that's mostly when I'm focusing on food patterns, which are the


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[Assistant] The periods of, well I call it early season, pre-rut and peak rut. You know, there's, the cows are looking for the best food.


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[Assistant] And uh, so find the best food, find the most cows, find the most cows, you'll probably find some bulls. So.


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[Assistant] Maybe a bit of everything. So, I, uh, I don't know. I, I thought it was interesting. Uh, you know, I told you I'm doing this, this series, uh, about kind of the shortcut way to e-scout, so.


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[Assistant] I'm doing the first few chapters of Here's the Shortcut, but if you really want to nerd out, here's some videos and chapters where I'm nerdin' out. And if nobody watches them, that's fine.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. The other part of doing this though, here's one of my fears, is I know I have a tendency to over complicate things at times.


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[Assistant] And I, I, when it comes to elk and elk behaviors, I always gotta try to make it less complicated.


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[Assistant] So you read some of those emails then where people were asking you some pretty in depth detailed questions about this fluctuation and how do you respond when the elk says this and how do I make sure my sound is true and not


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[Assistant] Not fake, bubba. And, uh, before we got online when we were talking about those, he said, man, humans have a tendency to overthink things. Absolutely. Is that the case with calling?


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[Assistant] The flip side of that is there, we get some emails where people, it's like,


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[Assistant] I'm not going to overthink this. I'm just going to go do this. We got one from a guy from Pennsylvania. He says that, you know, I grew up in PA, have no experience with elk, uh, in the part where I live. There are no elk.


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[Assistant] Uh, I went and signed up for the University of Elk Hunting, got a bugle and learned how to call from Elk101 and we saw 19 elk and 11 bulls.


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[Assistant] I went through this trend and the reason I brought it up is I can relate to the over-complicating it.


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[Assistant] I saw overcomplicated elk hunting once I started having frustrations and not having success. I'm like, oh, I just got to think about this more. I was doing it the way you were talking about, you know, an elk gets up and says, what am I going to have for breakfast this morning? No, the elk is like, hey,


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[Assistant] But I, I, the reason I bring it up is because of how I feel like my first years of frustration. I, I thought I could solve it by buying this gadget or this gizmo and I, you know, roll around in elk urine and sleep in an elk bed and it's like,


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[Assistant] I was over-complicating it. And there, it's not that there isn't a secret to it or there aren't absolute foundational basics you should understand and stick to.


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[Assistant] Well, that's, that's a pretty good example there. I'm glad I wasn't the one who had to walk behind the guy and sniff all that out.


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[Assistant] I, I, in about 1995 Cory, I could have been that same guy.


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[Assistant] I just say that because I was into every gadget, every, anything I read in a magazine. It's like, I got to tear this magazine page out and head on down to the sporting goods store and buy these four things. It's like, none of it helped me kill an elk.


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[Assistant] And a lot of it also gets down to each person's hunting style. Like I said, I don't know if there's huge variations in hunting style in the archery season that you see, but in the, in rifle hunting, I see such huge variations in how people prefer to hunt and there's not a right and there's not a wrong.


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[Assistant] And I tell people a lot of, whether it's information or gear or whatever, is more a function of what's your hunting style and does it work good for the type of hunting you want to do. Either, okay, you like to hunt thick timber or okay, I like to do tracking in the snow or whatever it might be.


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[Assistant] The way I hunt, which is mostly spot and stock, get up on knobs, glass into sanctuaries, that, my gear, my strategies, my tactics might be completely wrong for someone who prefers a different hunting style. So. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] That's, that's probably the other thing I see is people try to apply tactics to a hunting style or hunting approach that isn't really suited for that tactic, so.


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[Assistant] But we, we had an email, and I think this guy's gonna kill an elk this year. And here's why I think so, because this is a, he is...


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[Assistant] But there's just little bits and pieces I think are needed to close the gap. I'm getting more adept at finding out.


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[Assistant] Uh, but given my personality, I want to understand more and more and more about why an elk is in a certain drainage versus others. I know food and water are biggies, but my question gets to forage.


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[Assistant] I grabbed one of my old charts here, where I charted something pretty similar to what he's asking.


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[Assistant] The reason I think he's going to be successful is he's starting to think about it in the right context. Not just what do elk eat as a general idea.


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[Assistant] But what are they going to be eating on the day that I'm hunting them?


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[Assistant] In a period that is a food-based period, which is an archery period.


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[Assistant] And which drainage likely has the best forage they prefer? Well, there, it's not like there's going to be one.


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[Assistant] In certain areas on the landscape and it gives them multiple options. I always say food is more like hunting with a shotgun when you hunt a food pattern and a sanctuary pattern is more like hunting with a rifle.


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[Assistant] They're going to be in very, very small, precise areas in the sanctuary patterns and more generally broad or dispersed in food patterns.


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[Assistant] Which are agriculture, which is a non-native, usually non-native food types, grasses, forbs and shrubs.


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[Assistant] But the transition of what elk utilize at certain times of the year?


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[Assistant] 38% of their food in the spring, 37% in summer, in fall it drops to 29%, but by winter it bounces back up to 62%.


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[Assistant] Well, what replaces the grasses in the fall, which is normally our hunting season? Well, you see a big spike in forbs if there are any available. You see a big spike in shrubs.


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[Assistant] In hunting season? Yea, grasses are great. It's still their most preferred food. Their second most preferred food are forbs. Well, what forbs grow in the Bitterroot Valley of Montana?


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[Assistant] Go do that research, you'll find that out, and then you'll know which drainages, what elevations, what slope aspects, like north facing slopes, east facing slopes, what soil types, and that'll lead


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[Assistant] Lead this, uh, listener, Cory, to exactly which of those drainages are more likely to have the food that cow elk prefer when he's out there with his bow in his hand. So, I think he's gonna kill an elk this year. And he said he was from Wyoming? Well, he said he hunts Wyoming. I can't see. He says he


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[Assistant] There were no typos in it, so I know it didn't come from you.


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[Assistant] That would tell me right away that, okay, they're on some other food source here because something has got to be more nutritious than this dead grass.


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[Assistant] And then I compare that to New Mexico. So I pulled up a chart for New Mexico, which are this area. These are mostly non migratory elk. The chart I pulled up.


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[Assistant] Okay, do I want to migrate 25 miles for the good food that's up there high and really put on the food bag, make a bunch of fat and then migrate lower for better weather in the winter?


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[Assistant] Whereas in New Mexico, these elk are like, no, I'm not doing that. I'm just here on the landscape. I'm going to do whatever. Well, there's a very, very different utilization between agriculture, grasses, forbs, and shrubs in New Mexico.


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[Assistant] During these same periods of spring, summer, fall and winter, than what you see in Montana. So, my point of that is,


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[Assistant] It's, it's a little bit precise to each area or each type of elk you're hunting, migratory or non-migratory. So don't think just because you researched a study in the Bitterroot Valley of Montana that that applies to New Mexico. Because comparing these two charts, if you're sitting here looking at my laptop right now, you will see that Forbes,


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[Assistant] Have a huge, huge influence. Forbes are like this biggest spike.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of new studies emerging about competition between elk, cattle and mule deer.


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[Assistant] Trying to focus on is, is competition for forage what's hurting mildew populations? Well, in order to do that, they got to do some really in depth, precise studies, not just


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[Assistant] This window of time today, but they got to do it throughout a whole year. And so again, as far as his question of where can I get that data?


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[Assistant] That's where you can get that data and pay attention to what's happening in the fall at the time you are hunting.


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[Assistant] Well now, now that you told everybody that Isaac has access to your waypoints and your tracks, he's gonna get bribed. Hey, Isaac ol' buddy ol' pal. What do you say to that?


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[Assistant] So, it's turkey season, so we've received some emails about people saying, you know, I really got the hang of this turkey call, and I've been a great turkey caller all my life, but man, I struggle making the same sounds


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[Assistant] I, I can't, I'm the world's worst turkey hunter and someone say no, no, you're even a worse elk hunter.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I've only shot two turkeys in my life and that's a testament to the fact that every population has a couple of really dumb, umongous species. Uh, so, but we got a couple of questions on that and I just thought, well, maybe we should throw that back up there because people were.


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[Assistant] Uh, Rocky Mountain Hunting calls and you know, which calls do we prefer? Uh, I'm like old school because I got this great big wide mouth. So I just help people go out to their website, see that sizing chart and pick what works for you.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta have this gadget or this doodad, but really having the right size call for my mouth, you know, the shape of my mouth was kind of the, the pivot point for me. So that's why this one I'm, I'm willing to answer it or throw it out there for you to answer.


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[Assistant] If we hadn't asked that question, a lot of the people who signed up for your university course probably would have been able to look at your video and got that.


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[Assistant] Well, sounds to me like people, you never promote this, so I'm the one whose eyes gotta bring it up. But if they want more elk hunting information, just like what you stated there with that little nugget, uh, they should go to elk101.com and sign up, right?


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[Assistant] Well, the other thing that someone has asked us is how do you find transition zones?


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[Assistant] That's going to be somewhat specific on whether or not you are hunting migratory or non-migratory elk. Migratory elk have a transition zone. In other words, that zone between the summer range that they're on probably up into late August and the winter range that they get to in December. So all that stuff in between.


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[Assistant] Is the transition range. It's not going to be on your GoHunt maps and say, oh, here's your transition range. You need to go and find that out through research talking about this.


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[Assistant] A lot of it will be pretty apparent to you, uh, just based on, okay, all that stuff up there, that's gonna be covered with snow and ice and rock come, you know, whenever.


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[Assistant] This is going to be too hot for them in September, so you can do some quick research and then once you find that, the new tool that we've been talking about with, you know, the Go Hunt maps.


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[Assistant] Is that terrain analysis tool and you can set your elevation band and just focus on those transition ranges because that's where most of the elk will be during hunting seasons. And in the early parts of the seasons are going to be up where the transition range meets the summer range.


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[Assistant] And in the later part of the seasons, if you're hunting a November season, they're going to be down in the lower part of the transition range where it meets the winter range. So there is no set elevation of, oh, transition ranges are always between 7,000 and 9,000. No, it depends on where you're at. So.


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[Assistant] I hunt elk in the San Juan's in southwest Colorado. I've mostly rifle hunted them and this is where I've found them.


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[Assistant] Is it logical that they'll be above that in archery season? The answer I think they knew was yes.


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[Assistant] And then the question was, how far up could they be?


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[Assistant] Well, in early September on a mild year, they're going to be up pretty darn high. So that transition range in the San Juan that has some 14,000 foot peaks is going to be a much larger area than a mountain range that peaks out at 8,000 feet. And so, I think that person is onto the right


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[Assistant] Idea, the way they're looking at it is, okay, I know where they're at in October when I've hunted them in the rifle season. I can almost hunt above that for the archery season.


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[Assistant] It's, it's a good rule of thumb. It's not saying that that's the only place they'll be.


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[Assistant] Yeah. You notice how much time we spend talking about finding elk? We don't, we don't spend that much time on killing elk. Mostly about finding them.


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[Assistant] That's where my mind always goes, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, get to the fun part. Sort out all the BS that gets you to, you've found them and you find them consistently. Cause then you get to do the fun part, which is the hunting part.


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[Assistant] So, I wasn't going to start this podcast with happy birthday to you.


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[Assistant] Non-profit group. You know, they've made a lot of progress from being in a little trailer house rented up in Troy, Montana, where...


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[Assistant] Now, please send your ten dollars and just hope that somebody returns a, uh, an envelope with ten dollars in it to now be in a group that, uh, they've,


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[Assistant] If you look at kind of their score sheet that they published, if you want to call it a score sheet, they always say between


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[Assistant] You know, RMEF and partners, they're always very proud of working with partners, but


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[Assistant] Uh, they've conserved or enhanced 8.4 million acres of owl habitat.


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[Assistant] And they've opened or improved access to another 1.4 million acres of public ground for all of us. So, that's an awful lot in 38 years.


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[Assistant] Corporate, private, individual, and other donors, and 11,000 volunteers.


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[Assistant] That's, that's what it takes to get all that work done. And I use this story. There's a guy named Tim from Colorado. He heard that we were having our Bozeman event in April.


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[Assistant] And he's like, hey, I volunteer for my local event, but I want to see how you guys are doing it. So he flew up here on his own dime.


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[Assistant] Got his own hotel and spent two days helping our committee.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I again, you know how I got to make it simple. There's three T's, time, talent and treasure.


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[Assistant] This is a great part of growing up next to some really colorful grandparents, you know. That was grandpa Bob, grandma Harriet, who was his wife. She would always say, you've mistaken me for somebody who cares.


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[Assistant] Uh, but she usually added a couple adult words to that. So, yeaah, most myrandisms come from some completely uninhibited grandparents or aunts and uncles. So, uh, they didn't come from my...


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[Assistant] Well, here's the problem with that though, Corey. It's such an ingrained part of my way of communicating that I say them and I look around at people who don't know me. They're like, what did he just say? What? Well, you know, I'm giving a presentation to some, you know, CPA clients and I use like deer guts on a doorknob.


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[Assistant] We better leave. We better let the audience go. So you can go find some antlers. So I can go and hit the refresh button on my computer between now and tomorrow waiting for Nevada to send me an email.


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[Assistant] It says, sorry, Mr. Newberg, unsuccessful.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you wanna know, I just got a text message while we were on the podcast from a friend from Idaho. I drew Idaho moose.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna draw that one, I think the odds are like .8% down there in southwest, uh, Idaho. I'm sure this is my year.


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[Assistant] And I've told the crew, if I draw, Corey's going to call for me because it's right in his backyard. Well, I will be there.


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[Assistant] I'm going to draw, so let's just get that blanked out on your calendar right now. I'd hate to see you have some sort of conflict when I call you.


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[Assistant] Alright, well you have a good day. Appreciate your time.


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[Assistant] When we regroup, I'm going to ask you how many antlers you found today.


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[Assistant] I don't know the coordinates of the trees you're going to hang them in yet. You want to know a funny story? That when I was back beaver trapping, drove by my buddy, Peter Rolo's old place where his family grew up and


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[Assistant] I had to tell the story, you know, about how Peter is the reason why I hang antlers in trees. And uh, the guys with me are like, well that's stupid. Whatever. But.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. To become a member, go to rmef.org.


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[Assistant] The podcast is also brought to you by Gerber, uh, go to gerbergear.com and learn about the knives, the vital, the big game vital, the gauge premium, all the things that we use when we're out in the woods and not just knives, but also some really cool multi tools that they have.


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[Assistant] GoHunt.com, uh, go to GoHunt.com and sign up for the Insider. The Insider is changing how hunts and hunting information are found. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Use promo code ALKTOCK and when you do, when you sign up for the insider, you're going to get $50 of store credit, mad money, in their gear shop.


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[Assistant] Well, you probably deserve that. You know, our guest, John Barklow, he lives here in the Banana Belt of Montana. Uh, we haven't had any snow today. John, welcome. Appreciate you coming back.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, you'll get there, you know, give it time, but really, you know why it snowed? It knew you were out there trying to scoop up all those early dropping antlers and it said, no, we're going to put a bunch of snow over the top of these so Cory and Tyler can't come here and get the easy quick strike on everybody.


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[Assistant] I hang them in trees, if I do find one. I mean, this time of year, I mean, I'm glad that people are out doing it. You know, that means when I go fishing, there's fewer people at the fishing spot.


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[Assistant] Well, the good news is you don't want to have to worry about me being out there. So if you're invested in Conoco or British Petroleum, I'm not going to help drive up your share price based on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you've always been so generous with not just us, but...


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[Assistant] You know, so many people share in your knowledge of so many things and, uh,


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[Assistant] Since the last time you've started your own little gig, I guess, can we call it, what do you call knowledge of storms? Is it a teaching platform? Is it just storytelling? What do you got going there?


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[Assistant] Catch you on our previous podcast or other podcast. John, give them a little bit about your background of what makes you such an expert in this area because you are.


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[Assistant] We're all, we're all the better because of your willingness to share. So thanks for not being, being selfish, but uhm.


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[Assistant] In the Northern Pacific, John has spent tons of time there and knows the equipment demands those conditions place.


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[Assistant] Corey, you know, he's his long, lean, mountain, moving machine.


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[Assistant] The first time we went up there to film, uh, Black Tales, the guy we went with, Jim Bechtel, he says, well, we're only gaining 1,400 vertical, but it's going to take eight hours.


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[Assistant] The foot vertical hike that's going to take eight hours. He's like, nah. And then we kind of looked at Jim like, ah, you know, he's about seven, eight years older than me and that maybe that's why. Well.


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[Assistant] Uh, Tyler was going to do it with his bow and we, uh, we had, uh,


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[Assistant] And we saw this buck that was so big and Jim has, you know, he's got the muzzleloader world record, blah, blah, blah. He's like, I think that's the archery world record buck there.


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[Assistant] Well, Tyler's all excited. He's like, I'm going to get this thing. It rained so hard for the next four days, you could not see across the Alpine Meadow. So Tyler's just determined he's going to find this buck and he never does. He never does. And I'm sure


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[Assistant] If, like Cory said, if he would have been trying to archery hunt after the first day. Yeaah. You know, you're just wasting your time.


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[Assistant] I've been up there on those islands in October and did a brown bear hunt and it rained 11 inches in 6 days. I mean it was just torrential.


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[Assistant] Uh, the one thing that I've brought from my adventures to Alaska, and this is probably me trying to translate, how...


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[Assistant] You know, here in the lower 48, and you kind of touched on this, John, that I think people are like, well, if things really get bad, you know, the fertilizer hits the ventilator, I'll hit my button and someone will come get me.


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[Assistant] That, that is not happening. Even the terrain where we sick of black tail hunt just west of where Cory was.


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[Assistant] It's not nearly as high as where he was, but if it sucked in...


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[Assistant] They, they aren't coming to get you. There's no place to land. Even with a helicopter, you know, okay, you're augured into those 300 foot sick spruce. How, how are they gonna get you? And usually the weather is, is so terrible. And so I, anyone going to try that,


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[Assistant] And I'm sure the Alaska guys are fully versed in this, but don't think that that's your, your emergency plan. I think Corey and Donnie showed that.


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[Assistant] Using the John Barclay theory that knowledge weighs nothing, uh, is what gets you out of those situations and gets you through them in a safe manner.


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[Assistant] Also, in a confident manner that you're not gonna panic, you're not gonna do something stupid, uh, just, I was, when I was watching that weather and I'm watching Donnie, how sick he is, I'm like, uh, fortunately I knew the outcome, but I'm like, if you're laying there in that tent like that and you have that type of problem,


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[Assistant] There's really not an extraction measure when it's blowing and it's raining that hard. And so that's, that's probably the one thing I hope that people who watch that and have this ambitious kind of evil, Knievel spirit in them.


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[Assistant] Alright, there's not the safety net there that you think there is if you are, you know, in the Gallatin Range of Montana or you're in the Frank Church of Idaho or, you know, wherever you might go.


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[Assistant] Well, John, thanks so much for taking the time to do this. I, uh,


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[Assistant] I was really excited that you would be in your busy calendar. You could find time with all the other stuff you're producing for your knowledge of Storm's platform.


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[Assistant] I think that video, I, and I was telling Cory before the, we turned on the mics, I watched it again last night in full detail and it's probably the most epic Alcant, adventure Alcant I think I've ever watched. And uh, at first I thought an hour and 24 minutes? Ah, come on.


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[Assistant] No, it needed every hour and 24 minutes to tell the depth of the story and I think people who've been there and done it and dealt with Alaska probably get more out of it than


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[Assistant] But I also hope everybody will go out to your platforms. I've been following along. In fact, I called you.


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[Assistant] People who know John Barclay know that he's all about sharing knowledge and teaching and, uh, probably as unselfish of a guy as you're ever going to meet. And, uh, we're thankful that you take time to share that knowledge with our audience and with us. Appreciate it, John.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] The goal is, what little you and I know about elk hunting, we


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[Assistant] Well, I'm thinking I might be selling my bow. Really? Yeah. He told me he don't.


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[Assistant] He said, that's not a very encouraging guy. He said, I'll help you though. Cause he, he, he archery hunts a lot. He's like, you know, we gotta wait.


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[Assistant] At least three months before we can start doing anything with that. Because if, in the, when I went into my post-op visit, uh, the orthopedic guy said, hey, don't screw this up.


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[Assistant] We were able to fix it the first time, but as bad as all that tissue is, I don't know that I can fix it a second time. So, yeah. But did you like the picture of that scar I showed you?


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[Assistant] Damn, the world doesn't feel sorry for me. They're like, Newberg, you don't even have a job. What are you worried about?


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[Assistant] I don't know, I got a spring bear hunt in Alaska, scheduled for late May. The surgeon, his PA, and the physical therapy group


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[Assistant] All kind of tried not to laugh out loud in front of me when I told them.


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[Assistant] I was gonna learn how to shoot left handed. I'm gonna put a pirate patch over my right eye.


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[Assistant] Kleenex tissue and keep the corners of my eyes from getting too damp.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you shake hands, you got a higher tendency of picking up some sort of hoo-boo or something. And it hurts when someone hits this hand, so. Yeah. But, uh.


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[Assistant] In the next three weeks, we've got New Mexico on March 22nd.


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[Assistant] We have Montana on April 1st, which it should be on April Fool's Day, the way the Montana system is put together. And then we got Colorado on April 4th. So those are three really big elk states where a lot of people apply.


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[Assistant] Well no, I'm not going to tell you right now until you decide if you're going to apply.


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[Assistant] Well, you see me keep peeking at my phone?


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[Assistant] They close the credit cards, they start hitting credit cards right away.


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[Assistant] Well, you think about it, the longer they would wait before they start hitting credit cards, the greater the likelihood that some fraud happens to some poor dude who just updated his credit card at 3 o'clock and at 8 o'clock somebody, you know,


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[Assistant] So then his credit card wouldn't work and he wouldn't get his Arizona out. They'd have to give it to me. That would be unfortunate, wouldn't it? Yeah. But I don't think I should.


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[Assistant] Be glancing at my phone too much because my odds of drawing are, they're above zero.


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[Assistant] And it's just really disruptive that much to travel that far from Montana.


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[Assistant] And you're already sucking air. I mean, you're on a caffeine buzz all the days just to try to stay awake. Then you gotta drive for, you know.


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[Assistant] If there are not at least 13 tags for that hunt code, don't apply. Don't apply. And here's why. Don't apply. Here's why. Can't get a t-shirt like that.


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[Assistant] So they have this rounding thing in New Mexico, right? We get 6% of the tags. Well, you would think, well, if there were 10 tags, 6% of that.


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[Assistant] Is .6 and they'd round it up to 1.


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[Assistant] No they don't round it up unless you get above .75. Is there anything below .75?


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[Assistant] So you get right over that three quarter of a percent or three quarter of a tag, whatever you want to call it. And they will round it up to one.


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[Assistant] On a hunt code that doesn't have more than 10 tags is astounding. Really?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and they turn it around really quick. That's the good part about New Mexico. Uh, they turn it around really quick, but they don't give you your refund for, I don't know, how long?


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[Assistant] Doesn't hit my credit, well I always get a refund and it never hits my credit card for about two transaction cycles.


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[Assistant] You know, I've always been a big fan of Wyoming cause they've given us 16%.


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[Assistant] So they did this math that, okay, the difference between what the 16% of limited entry tags was


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[Assistant] And what the 7250 is, they would always give out in general tags. I always appreciated


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[Assistant] How generous Wyoming was in that respect, even if they wouldn't let us hunt wilderness areas without a guide. But last week, the governor signed the bill that at least if you apply in the special draw, so the bill that was just signed.


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[Assistant] Well now, in the special draw starting in 2024.


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[Assistant] It's going to be 1900 and some dollars, just under $2,000 for a Wyoming Elk Tag in the special draw. Wow.


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[Assistant] I guess I've always just had this discomfort with Wyoming's system of


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[Assistant] Why should 40% of the people get better draw odds because they're willing to pay more? And some would say, well, that's America.


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[Assistant] Well, by having this pool of really expensive tags, it subsidizes the lower price tag, so we don't have to raise those at all.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, as a CPA, professional skepticism is part of what's ingrained in us. So when I heard that.


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[Assistant] I wish I had the BS button when that guy was saying that. I'm like, yeah, right. Yeah. If he had any more concern for the peasants, he, you know.


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[Assistant] So this is, this podcast folks is a primer about applications, I would say, and things that are changing, things you can do, things you should be planning on, um, because we're all never going to go Alcon.


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[Assistant] Another bill that had been kicked around in this task force in Wyoming was, how I explained, 16% of the limited entry tags go to non-residents.


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[Assistant] That bill would change it to 10%. You know, it hasn't passed yet or anything. I don't even think it's been introduced, but like I said, in a video I published on my YouTube channel in December, when states start talking about this stuff, pay attention because it's going to happen. So this big fee increase that happened, they started talking about that in June of 2021.


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[Assistant] And so in the 2022 application season, I'm telling people, hey, be paying attention. And everybody on our crew, we were burning Wyoming points. It's like, even if they don't pass it, oh well, never been a better time to go hunting than today. So we burned as many of our points as we could.


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[Assistant] And then this year in December, I do another video. Hey folks, Wyoming and Colorado is talking about this stuff.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna have to get all those people their money back.


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[Assistant] The more you realize this was something designed by a legislature.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you know how everyone is. Not everyone, but a lot of those procrastinators. It'll be April 1st. The system will crash.


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[Assistant] In the IT department at Fish, Wildlife and Parks, we'll be out drinking beer, smoking cigarettes and catching trout. Yup. Nobody to help. It'll be a big sign on the computer screen. Sorry, we're out fishing. Should have been here yesterday.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Well, we are. And this is, so for people listening.


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[Assistant] Montana, the first hurdle you have to clear is you got to get your general tag before you can apply for the limited entry tags, which I've talked to legislators and tried to get that reversed where let's do the limited entry draw first. No, that's too complicated.


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[Assistant] Really? Your director says you get 39,000 phone calls the week of the application deadline.


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[Assistant] Could it be any more complicated? But, damn. So, for those of you listening, if you buy this hundred dollar point,


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[Assistant] So you go through this in Montana, right? We use preference points for.


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[Assistant] The general tag, which is the tag you have to draw if you even want in on the limited entry draws. So 75% of our non-resident tags, they start at the top and nobody can accumulate


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[Assistant] Anymore, it's more than three preference points. So they cap you at three. So you've already paid a hundred bucks a point to get to three. So they take 75% and they start working their way down the pile.


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[Assistant] And last year they ran out of tags in that 75% pool after filling


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[Assistant] Almost everybody who had two points, but they didn't get down into the one point layer. Then they take the other 25% and they start at the folks with zero and they work their way up and they didn't get through that pool.


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[Assistant] Only like 70 some percent of them with zero points drew. So if you had a half point in your party or one point as an individual.


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[Assistant] So why would you pay a hundred dollars for one point to put yourself in no man's land? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Do you know of any state where if you got one point in a preference point system?


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[Assistant] Yep. Yeah. You only get 80% of it back. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you put a bunch of accountants in a room, we couldn't invent something that messed up.


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[Assistant] Like some bill they knew the governor was going to sign. If you applied with an outfit earned in draw, you get to buy two preference points. So you get to skip the one point no man's land sandwich. Gotcha. You got to pay 200 bucks instead of a hundred bucks, bud.


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[Assistant] So by the time you pay your $100 preference point and your $20 bonus point, we're making a pile full of money off of you.


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[Assistant] I'm afraid to tell you what I just paid for everything on March 1st when I went in. I did my moose, goat, sheep application, my deer, my elk, my pronghorn application, I got a bear tag.


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[Assistant] Trapping, waterfowl, fishing, deer tag, elk tag.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. But at least you guys were kind enough to post an apology letter on your website.


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[Assistant] Thanks, sure. I'm driving down to Idaho Falls. I'm going to spend the night at my buddy Bo Bates and I'm heading on down to the Sporting Goods store.


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[Assistant] I'm going to hand out coffee and donuts and when that computer line stops.


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[Assistant] I'm going to be working my way right to the front of the line. Get me an out tag in Idaho.


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[Assistant] So I wonder if I could go there on May 1st and I could just hang them in trees. You could.


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[Assistant] Bring Bear Hunt in there? Evidently not there, I guess. Hmm, well, way better, way better.


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[Assistant] Colorado has the true preference point system. In other words, he or she with the most points gets the tag. And that's


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[Assistant] Uh, you do gotta pay for a $94, I think they call it.


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[Assistant] There's a few changes to Colorado this year, but not anything real big. But they have focus groups right now that have been meeting.


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[Assistant] For over a year now, I've been warning you that someday Colorado's gonna change your stuff. So if you're sitting on a big gunny sack full of points, do what Cory did last year. Burn them thar point.


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[Assistant] Anyone who says that I did that thinking it would clear the deck and I'd be able to jump in the next year hasn't looked at the math. But what's your Google telling you there, Corey?


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[Assistant] So the new law says whatever that is for residents, it's delayed seven days.


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[Assistant] And surely everybody follows that law when antlers are worth what? 20 bucks a pound or something? Is that what they're worth?


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[Assistant] Huh. Well, they told me I can't lift more than five pounds.


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[Assistant] I don't have any great tidbits of advice for Colorado other than if you're sitting on points and Colorado changes the law and doesn't allow all these non-residents to come and hunt the over-the-counter units like is being discussed, there's going to be


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[Assistant] Way more people burning points because that will be their way to go hunting.


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[Assistant] And so your points are going to be worth a lot less when all of a sudden everybody jumps in. So.


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[Assistant] More of the story, don't be a point collector. Or if you like to, that's fine. Go ahead if you want, because I'm burning my points there next year. I'd burn them this year, but I'm...


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[Assistant] I'm sure anyone driving down the road and listening to that one, just about hit the dits probably.


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[Assistant] I'm an oddish eight fifty one year old. I did, I did see that. And that's the biggest reason I've not yet been successful. I can shoot, I can call, and I can spot them through my binos, but I can't get to them.


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[Assistant] My arms are just too long.


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[Assistant] And I hope he does. I hope he uses that as a kind of life-changing motivation because, uh, as we all find as we get older,