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[Assistant] You know, and, and playing against again, the starting defense for Washington, Sam Donald too. Washington starters played shockingly to me, the majority of the first half on both sides of the ball. But what were your kind of your thoughts or what jumped out to you between Baker and Sam?


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[Assistant] I get your point there. I do. I do think there's some value in that. And I think that's where Baker Mayfield really separates himself. I just echo you. I mean, you're right. His arm's better. I'm with you there. And I think he has a better feel for the game overall. Sees the field better. And yes, his movement is better.


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[Assistant] Certainly throws the ball better within the pocket and can make more explosive plays that way, but that's something I've kind of been saying all along. Baker Mayfield, you know, hate him or love him, and I know there were some things that were, you know, issues there in Cleveland, whatever. He does give your team an edge. He does.


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[Assistant] And there is a real tangible thing when you watch him as far as his leadership and his fire that he can bring that we've never seen from Sam Darnold anywhere. And I think for a team like this where there's no


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[Assistant] Great leader or guy on the offensive side of the ball, you know, to your point, they, they need a guy like this a little bit. And I would just be shocked that if we don't get done with preseason game number two and the, you know, performances, they both play well, but Baker Mayfield named the starter. I just would be shocked if he's not the starter when all of a sudden done.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's shift to rookie quarterbacks here and let's just stay right here on this game because I want to talk about both of them real quick. First off, Sam Howell looked good.


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[Assistant] He did. Sam Howell knows how to play the game. He just got a great feel of, wait, let me hang in the pocket and make the throw. Wait, here's a lane. Let me scramble. Let me make a play that way. He plays bigger than his actual size. I think that's one thing that jumps out to me. I was impressed with him. Again, he doesn't, his arm doesn't go,


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[Assistant] Wow to me. I don't go, oh wow. And I, there's some things I'd like to see him change in his mechanics a little bit, but I thought overall he's, he's, you know, he could spin the ball. He spun the ball very well in the game the other night. And I thought really, you know, made some nice throws and really look good. And I was, I was impressed, maybe more impressed than I thought I would be with Sam Howell.


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[Assistant] I wanted the same thing and wouldn't be shocked to see if, you know.


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[Assistant] He certainly has got more talent than Heineken, certainly. It has more of a presence on the football field, and you said it just has more physical ability. Uh, I was kind of wondering the same thing.


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[Assistant] Mac, uh, you know, Matt Corral. He's my number one guy coming out in the draft. I'm gonna just, I was, I was not in love with what I saw. I can't even lie. And again, I don't give a shit about stats. It was one for nine and they were a little overwhelmed for sure.


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[Assistant] I would too. I would, yeaah, you're right. They got, they got four guys that can throw the football there in Carolina. It'd be interesting to see how it plays out. But I, I echo what you said with Matt Corralto, look small.


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[Assistant] You know, and, and did. Just looked like he was a little bit rattled and, uh, didn't make much happen. Didn't change any arm angles a few times when he had pressure in his pocket. The ball got batted down, I think once or twice. So I was not overly impressed with his overall look and we'll see if it gets better, you know, as we go along here.


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[Assistant] No question. All right. All right. Let's go. Let's go to Malik Willis, the Tennessee Titans. All right. So I'm gonna, I'll throw out my two cents here first, dad.


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[Assistant] Um, anybody who's watching first off, he got, he got taken out in the game on the first drive of the third quarter on a second down, which is really rare.


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[Assistant] It really is. And I'm going to throw this out there and I said this on Pro Football Talk. I'm not so sure it wasn't a tactical thing done by Mike Vrabel.


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[Assistant] I'm not. You know, again, just to quiet the murmur a little bit on the Ryan Tannehill front to make sure everybody knows who the starting quarterback is there, you know, in Tennessee.


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[Assistant] Malik Willis, he did some highlight things in the game, certainly, and that's what all everybody talked about.


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[Assistant] But I think you and I both know, I watched the film last night a little bit. He left, there was, there was people open almost on every time he dropped back to throw the football and he was watching the rush or relying on his legs. Like he, he alluded to it after the football game. I will say this though. I like Malik Willis's look.


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[Assistant] I like Malik Willis' motion throwing the football. I mean, even a few of the incompletions, I just went, shit, it just, it looks good.


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[Assistant] You know, and, and again, you know, I know you're, we could talk about, oh, trust, you know, Justin Fields and Trey Lance, they had completions or whatever else. And I go, yeah, I like some of Malik Willis's incompletions as much as anything there, just the way it looks.


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[Assistant] So I know I threw a lot out of you there, but I do like the talent. I can get behind that for sure. He looks like he belongs, but he's raw as hell as far as playing in the pocket. And that was very apparent in that game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, good. We're on the same page. I know. The decision making?


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[Assistant] I don't care. They're gonna figure it out. He'll get better. You're right. You know, I know that's what's scary. He could fit their style of football very easily. I know you're right. Run.


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[Assistant] Be gritty. Make a big 20 yard out throw here when they're stacking the box against Derrick Henry. Here's a play action bomb 80 yards down the middle.


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[Assistant] You know, here's the, the, you know, read option off the edge. Oh shit. He ran for 20 around the edge. Oh, they pulled the guard and ran quarterback power. Uh, I know he does. He fits the team. It'll be interesting to see where it goes. Yeah. You just got to get better, but I'm with you. I love the way he looked too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no doubt. Alright, so we love Malik Willis, we saw some rawness, but those are things that I think are easy to fix because the throwing and the athleticism and just the physical stature is there. Uhm, alright, guy in Detroit, Detroit, Atlanta, Desmond Ritter, got a lot of throws in the football game. You know, you and I were, I think,


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[Assistant] A lot of things we liked about Desmond Ritter coming out in the draft as far as the leader, the man that way, played some big time college football.


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[Assistant] When the pocket does break or anything like that, he's dangerous. It can run. We were a little underwhelmed by his throwing. It can be very inconsistent that way. You know, I don't know if he can really step on the gas when it comes to, let me throw some type of rocket down the middle of the field. And I'm sure I'm, I'm still not sold on that, but.


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[Assistant] It was better. It was. And I don't, you know, again, I know it was below 50% completion percentage and all that. He had a drop or two, but I did think he threw the ball better than I ever saw him throw it at Cincinnati. Did, do you agree? Do you concur doctor?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hear you there. You're right. And Ritter, the thing I liked was there was two things. First off,


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[Assistant] You know, in college, I mean, he didn't throw a lot of spirals. That was the first thing.


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[Assistant] And then in college always had the damn wide open front shoulder. Not like Sam Howell did, but it was always open to a point where I go, man, can you just turn into one? I did think I saw.


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[Assistant] Dave Ragone, offensive coordinator, quarterback coach. I thought that was the first throw of the game. I went, Oh, look at Desmond Ritter like trying to keep his front shoulder in there a little bit more. I did think the motion looked a hair tighter, but there's no gas on the ball to your point.


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[Assistant] You know, it's nice. It's controlled. He had an interception to the left. If anybody wants to go back and watch on an out route, the ball was in the air for four minutes. It got called back because of a penalty. I don't know if it was holding or roughing the passer. I can't remember. Yeah, right. So that was that.


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[Assistant] You know, I had another pass that was intercepted later in the game. Had the balls that just die out when they get to the target. So...


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[Assistant] I'm with you. The throwing is less than. It's not quite where you want it to be. And I wasn't impressed with that as maybe a Sam Howell.


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[Assistant] Who showed me a little bit more pizzazz and juice in his arm, you know, maybe more than I even saw in college. Ritter, he corrected some things, but was not, you know, not necessarily in love with it. And I think you're right. It's about NFL average as far as that's concerned.


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[Assistant] Let's go back out to, I just wanna, we got about 7 or 8 minutes left here, big guy. Okay. Alright, and I like that you've thrown a few, you know, semi-swear words. Phil sims on button here today.


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[Assistant] No, you're right. You know, they're borderline ones. It depends what household you're in. It depends what household you're in. Not in our household. That's for sure. Uh, all right. Jordan love three interceptions guy. People are always bagging on them, you know, and, and certainly as he's been put in a very tough situation.


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[Assistant] Saw him throw two touchdown passes and a one to Romeo Daubes, who's kind of been one of those camp buzz guys. And a lot of the buzz guys we heard in training camp kind of popped and we had preseason week one.


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[Assistant] You know, give me your thoughts on Jordan Love and just the overall look there against the 49ers.


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[Assistant] No, you're right. There's nothing that puts them over the top. I guess what I get gets me and where I defend them a little bit is just, I feel like people just totally want to shit on them completely. And I want to go, well, gosh, it wasn't shit. I could show you other backup quarterbacks that were shittier than Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] That's the problem too. Exactly right. I know. You're right. So that's where it hurts. That's not necessarily his fault. That's Green Bay's fault.


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[Assistant] But I, but I, but I, you know, I, I, I guess I'm not quite as critical as the way it looked. I thought there was, you know,


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[Assistant] The touchdown pass down the right sideline was not bad. I thought he did a pretty good job of like what you kind of said where he at least, it wasn't just free wheeling. I don't know what the hell I'm doing. I guess that's where I saw a little improvement staying in the pocket. He went to the right place with the ball. You know, I didn't think two of the three interceptions.


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[Assistant] That really weren't his fault, but to your point, the one that he throws the little out route to Dabz on the left side, you know, I think that's what you're kind of talking about. Like yea, Dabz could have caught it.


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[Assistant] You know, but it gets bobbled because it's behind them.


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[Assistant] And you're saying it's, it's year three. It's a five yard out route. That ball's going to be on the money with perfect pace and spiral and everything like that. And it was kind of a wobbler that was behind and floated in the air. And it gave a chance for the 49er guy to get in the interception. And yes, there's a crispness, a crispness that is not there with it. And I can't quite pinpoint it all the time.


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[Assistant] And like you talked about the Rogers thing, and I think sometimes that's it. Sometimes I look at it and go, man, I feel like he's trying to throw like Aaron Rodgers and it's just.


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[Assistant] Nobody should try that. It just, that's, that's like for five people on the planet that can do what he does and, and some of the releases he makes. And, uh, yeah, it's, uh, I hear you, I guess in your points there and just the, well, the, not the polish, not the pop on the ball, not the spin on the ball that, you know, we like to see all the time.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I get you. I get you. Yeaah, there's some things that, yeaah, it just, it's, it's, it doesn't look great. And it doesn't look first round worthy, and I think that's the point at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] I definitely wouldn't, mm, yeaah. I wouldn't take him over Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett. I know that for sure. Sam Howell, maybe I'd think about it, but yeaah, I mean, Sam was, that was a good start and he did impress me. You're right. So, I hear your point. You're, you're, you're exactly right.


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[Assistant] I, uh, I don't know if I would either. I don't know if you can trust the throwing on a consistent basis, uh, like you really want an NFL starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go away. We got like one minute left here, alright?


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[Assistant] Deshaun. You know, I know it was a weird, you know, he didn't get a ton of throws, but first off, I just thought his arm looked live. I did think that. I just went, damn, Deshaun Watson's arm is real. I mean, that's the one thing that popped to me. Uh, but what, what was your thought just seeing the limited time that he played?


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[Assistant] You know, and I'm with you. The ball was, it didn't throw perfect spirals. I did think his arm looked powerful. He does look thick to me, a hundred percent. Does not look like he'd be able to move around and make some of the magic that we've seen him make throughout his years. So I gotta do something there. But I also will say this into defending him. I can't imagine


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[Assistant] The pressure that was on him. I doubt he never felt pressure like that in his life, not even in a national championship game. The way he was being booed, the telescope, the microscope was on him, and that's gotta be a pretty tough situation too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they are. They even said, as Stefanski said, I think after the game this week, that his reps, Watson's reps will be cut back and Jacoby Perset is going to be getting the starting team reps and they're going to really ramp up his work here going into game one. So, which makes it even more...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he can, they can win. They can win some games with Jacoby Percet. I don't doubt that, and I don't think you do either, especially with that team and that they play it the right way here. Right. Alright, Dad, thanks so much, man. You the man. Really appreciate it.


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[Assistant] I'm down for that. We did, I had a list of a bunch of other rookies and players that popped throughout the weekend, but we couldn't get to it. And somebody, we, we got another, I think the golf channel needs our studio. So I got to get the hell out of here. All right. So Thursday, Thursday, the podcast.


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[Assistant] We'll have fun there, but that should be a good conversation. And then Ahmed should be back in the fold next week. We think we're hoping to get this contract negotiation done. You know, he's very expensive. He's a diva. This guy, I can't tell you enough.


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[Assistant] So that's it. Big Phil, you the man. Thanks so much. Homies, thanks for all the questions. Keep sending them in. And again, podcast Thursday this week, not Wednesday. Peace out everybody. Be good the next few days. Keep watching some football. See ya.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] It's me, SoloDolo this week. No Ahmed Fareed. He's still holding out for a bigger contract. He will be back next week. It's going to be a hold in. Alright, so he'll be here giving like a B minus effort until he gets that new contract. We're in a Ro Kwan Smith type of situation here.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, that's right. Chris Simms, um, Button, Ahmed Farid is here. The hold-in has begun.


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[Assistant] They at least gave him some new blue pants, so he said okay, I'll come in, but there's a few other things he's got on the list today. You're looking good, my man. Thank you. Double duty.


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[Assistant] I mean, got a well-deserved break, so I had fun playing around with you, you know, ditching me for a week. And then yesterday, you're in Cleveland for a baseball game that gets rained out. Didn't even happen. Late night flight, back here, and hanging with me. But it's good to see you back, buddy. It's good to be back. So the holdout.


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[Assistant] I need you here. Okay, I can. That was hard. Like, I love talking to Matthew Barry. He, like, matches our energy, so I feel like it just goes right, you know, hand in hand with us. And then, yeaah, doing the show, reading the questions, hosting the show, and then, you know me, I'm always got notes and stuff, so I'm like, wait, reading the question, and I'm like, oh no, did I leave something out, and of course I'm


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[Assistant] Maybe you shouldn't because usually with a team on the road like that, right? They get in the elevators and they go to their own little special area. They don't really check in like the rest of the normal human beings that go to a hotel.


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[Assistant] They were going to the room. Usually like in the NFL, when you get to the hotel, they have a table and they got your name and an envelope and your card for your room number and all that's in there and you grab it and you can go.


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[Assistant] They did already? Yeaah. Yeaah. But yeaah, it was a lot of people for a preseason. I mean, probably 150 people when you bring in trainers, coaches, maybe 200 people. Saw Gardner Minchew walking in, was a little starstruck. Yeaah, cool. Gardner balled out again.


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[Assistant] He was good, right? Definitely. Well, Gardner is without question one of the best backup quarterbacks in football. And if, you know, knock on wood, if something did happen to Jalen Hurts, that's one situation where I go, huh, they're a smart team for having a good backup to protect their assets. There's a few teams out there where I go,


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[Assistant] He, uh, I wonder if any of those guys have raced him yet. Cause you know, they all said they wanted to race him.


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[Assistant] Who's a Jalen Rieger. They've kind of said they wanted to race him. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You know, football fast is fast, but it's still track is like, again, they're professionals. They know how to get out of the box like precisely measured steps. And I think that's where, yeah, maybe Devontae Smith could have been that if he decided to go down that road completely five, six years ago. But, uh, yeah, I don't think he can mess with him in a race.


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[Assistant] I've seen every single play. I've seen a lot. You know, really, to me it's, uh, you know, full transparency here. You know me. Bear Seahawks, did I watch the film? No, but I watched the game completely. Panthers Patriots? No, but I watched the game completely. Now, Saints Packers? Film. Texans Rams? Film. Bills Broncos? Film and TV.


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[Assistant] Chiefs, Commanders, all the film. Steelers, Jaguars, all the film.


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[Assistant] Raiders, Dolphins, mainly just Dolphins offense on film. Raider, uh, Dolphins defense versus Raiders offense. Once some of the starters came out, I turned it off. You know, again, I'm trying to watch as much as I can. Vikings offense versus 49ers defense. Film. Watched it.


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[Assistant] Titans Offense, Buccaneers Defense, film, watched it. Alright, so, and then Giants Bangles last night, TV, and Ravens Cardinals TV. So there we go. Your wife is thrilled. Well yea, my son days are not days off.


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[Assistant] I'm being a little sarcastic as you can tell. And can they, you know, you have to read this, I think they can give you a little respect and show your face on this, Dan.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, you learn, you know, quarterback still, we're learning something about Trevor Lawrence, even though it's not like legit defensive game planning and all that, but you can see there's a real improvement in what he's doing. You know, it's uhm, wide receivers, I think is one that also can jump out to you.


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[Assistant] Teams play more man to man in preseason because they don't want to show all their intricate zone coverages and all that. And also they want to get their guys like, hey, you know, this is our chance to work live mano, mano, mano here. So, you know, let's do that.


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[Assistant] So you do get to see that from DBs and receivers, and we've seen some receivers, you know, pop out of nowhere or really shine, and I think we're going to hit on a few today. I think the biggest one though, and our at-room court's not wrong, linebacker is one that's, it's pretty much like, oh, can that guy run and hit and tackle? Okay, he's good. There's no doubt. It's kind of a can't-miss one, but offensive-defensive line is another one.


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[Assistant] It almost always translates. I mean, again, last year, I'm not trying to sit here and act like I, you know, I'm, I'm Nostradamus or anything, but, you know, I was, hey, the Panthers D-line, the Panthers D-line all through preseason, and guess what? The Panthers D-line was all awesome during the season. You can see when a team's got a look, an aggressiveness, a physicality that you go,


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[Assistant] Oh wow. And same with the offensive line. I think there is something there to it.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so I, you know, again, that was a broad answer. I guess my biggest thing I would say is offense and defense aligned though. I do think you can really, really


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[Assistant] You know, looking at preseason film. Again, you're not game planning all the way, but it's still, are they firing off the ball? Are they moving people? Oh, is it first team versus first team? Okay. Oh, whoa, they're still moving people. You know, that's still a basic premises of football that I think we can all take away.


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[Assistant] No, it was scary at first. Second look made you feel a little bit better. When you saw like the second replay, you know, you could see, okay, maybe his, his knee didn't buckle quite as bad there. I'm sure he's got a high ankle, sprained knee-ish kind of thing that's bothering him today. Um, but yeah, it didn't, it was, it was scary for Giants fans, no question.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's legal. It's inside the tackle box, right on the edge of the tackle box. Are you buying or selling that that was a dirty play? You know, I don't want to say it's dirty. I don't want to say it's dirty. Again, like he didn't break any of the rules, but I do think it kind of


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[Assistant] goes against the unspoken rules of the NFL and protecting your, your brethren a little bit. And yeah, against the, let's say lack of a better phrase, the man code of the NFL. Yes. You know, and again, I know it's on the defender to protect himself.


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[Assistant] Kayvon Thibodeau was bracing, had stopped, was bracing for the contact.


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[Assistant] And, you know, wasn't in a bad position. I don't think he's expecting a guy to dive at his knee. So I think that's where it's like, hey, you know, eh, you know, it's not, it's not cowardly. I don't want to say it's, you know, dirty.


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[Assistant] But it's not cool is what it is. It's not cool. And I think he'll be told that probably by his own teammates and things. You know, again, he wouldn't like it if he's running over the middle and cave on Tibbetto the next time he's catching and Thaddeus Moss is catching a ball and cave on Tibbetto dies at his like lower knee area. You know, that was below the knee.


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[Assistant] That's still a sweet spot where everybody can be okay and you're still gonna get the job done.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I think that's more or less my feel on it. I'm not going to go that hard on them, but I certainly didn't love that. And, uh, it is, you know, there's, like I've always said, there's kind of an unwritten rule there. And the knees are...


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[Assistant] Game changers. And as we know from a lot of people in football throughout history, like, they'd rather be hit up high. Hit me in the head. Larry Fitzgerald used to literally say, like, I'll pay your fine.


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[Assistant] Don't hit me in the knee. If you get hit me in the head, I'd appreciate it. You know, that can ruin somebody's career. There's no doubt about it. So I'm not going to go quite as hard as my Texas, uh, Longhorn alumni, Emmanuel Ocho there, but certainly didn't like to see that from Thaddeus Moss.


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[Assistant] You don't want it to be part of the game. Exactly right. And you know, the other thing too is if it's a yard wider, it's outside the tackle box.


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[Assistant] So, uh, you know, I think there is a way that maybe we can get this out of the game altogether, but it wasn't necessary either. It wasn't like Kayvon Thibodeau was flying in there.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, hair on fire and it's like, oh gosh, I can't even set my feet. I gotta go low on this guy. He was stopped in place bracing for it. And then you dive low. That's where it's just, again, against the, the NFL locker room man code.


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[Assistant] Alright, so let's finish up the Cave on Tibbito.


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[Assistant] Again, and then we're going to get into other rookies that I was backing in the draft process where I'm going to tell you I was wrong as we go along here. So far I'm not wrong about Cave on Thibodeau. To me it's the least impressive


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[Assistant] Edge rusher that was drafted in the first round. It's, it's not even really close, actually, in my opinion. There's, there's been no plays to speak of, of, oh, he popped there. Ooh, that looked good. He almost got around the edge once, you know, during the game, certainly. And, and, and, uh, you know, the quarterback stepped up and got out of the pocket.


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[Assistant] But it was, you know, it was back up offensive lineman too. And it was back up offensive lineman last week against the New England Patriots. So, you know, again, I hope I'm wrong.


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[Assistant] I have not seen legit explosion off the ball. I don't see speed to power. I don't see, you know, quicks like the Aiden Hutchinson has to make people like the line, the offensive lineman go, Oh God, where is he going to go? There's nothing there that way. He plays hard. He does have good hands.


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[Assistant] You know, that's not why you draft a guy at number five. And so that's where I am a little bit worried as far as that's concerned overall. Um, and you know, again, they're, like I said, the Trayvon Walkers of the world, you know, Aiden Hutchinson.


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[Assistant] We'll talk about the Chiefs and George Carlathus. They have been certainly more impressive and even, and Johnson for the Jets. And we'll see another look at him tonight on Monday Night Football, but they all look a little bit better than, than Kavon Thibodeau in my opinion.


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[Assistant] I mean, to me, he would have been like a guy that, yes, he should have been drafted in my opinion where like George Karlafftis was drafted. That's how I looked at it. And you know, again, I don't want to be a pile on here, but anybody that knows that listens to my podcast and things like that, you know, Pete, I don't know if we can pull up


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[Assistant] You know, a video again or even show that. The thing I don't love about the specimen, and you know this from me by now, is just the lower half. I've never seen a great pass rusher with that kind of lower half, where it's


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[Assistant] Then, you know, sometimes there's a guy like, let's say, uh, and really they still not even, you need to be really tall and long and have another attribute that makes you legit there. So again,


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[Assistant] I hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't look like I am to me to this point. Well, hopefully it gets back out there and healthy. Yes, we need them out there. We know that or right. Yes, right.


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[Assistant] I will, you know, echo what Big Bad O says. I agree. What wasn't positive about it? You know, again, some of the things that happened on the first two drives, it's football. It didn't work out. I mean, we can't just put it all on the quarterback. I don't understand that. The interception.


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[Assistant] It could have been caught. It could have been a little bit more of an accurate throw. I'm not going to lie about that either. You know, the tight end Bellinger, he really had to stick his hands out. You'd like to see that ball underneath his chin in the numbers. And, and really to me, the biggest thing with that throw is not even really, you know, like he rushed it too.


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[Assistant] You know, it was a, it was a, it was a pass over the middle. Bellinger cleared the middle linebacker. Let him clear it. Let him clear it so you can see it clearly and put it right on him. You know, I think again, he's still getting used to an offense here, but I liked the way it looked and also like showed


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[Assistant] Better pocket presence in my opinion too, not just standing there like the Statue of Liberty, stepping up in the pocket. There was another time nobody was open. He got outside the pocket and we've talked about we want to see him play a little more backyard football. Yep. And hopefully they can bring that out of him.


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[Assistant] So, I thought it was a positive. I definitely did. You know, his arm did look good. He looked like he understood where he wanted to go with the ball every time. I know it's the Bengals too. We get that.


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[Assistant] We'll see where it goes, but I think between that and again for the second week in a row, the offensive line at least looks the part. They're not perfect.


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[Assistant] They're giving them a fighting chance. And I think that's the thing I look at. I go, okay, look at it. We got actually a pocket. We're not being overwhelmed. The last few years, we had a preseason games where our 1-0 line, the Giants, was against another team's 2-0 line and he still didn't have time to throw the football. So now Elise is getting that. And yes, I will say again, I want everybody to back the...


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[Assistant] The Giants aren't into making practice look pretty all the time. I'm sure Tyrod Taylor's had moments of looking better. As I said last week, Tyrod Taylor's been in this offense.


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[Assistant] He, in Houston last year, it is a New England type offense. Tyrod Taylor, you know where else he played early in his career? Baltimore. You know who the defense coordinator is for the Giants? Wink Barndale. Where did he come from? Baltimore. He's used to these crazy blitzes. So think about Daniel Jones. He's in a


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[Assistant] New offense again, and he's having to deal with Wink Martindale and 97 different coverages and blitzes and everything like that, where it's not gonna look pretty all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, I think at some point here, and I heard Dayball talk about this last week,


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[Assistant] They need to tell Wink Martindale and company to like, you can't just be crazy all the time. We got to practice against cover two and cover three and some of these, you know, not everybody's as creative and smart as you. So you got to make sure they get those important reps, but you know, just the overreaction and the haters on Daniel Jones does bother me. He's one of those guys that everybody wants to jump on. Listen, if he doesn't do good.


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[Assistant] And he's not playing good for three or four weeks. I'll jump on with you and we'll say, look, it's not good. It's not good enough. Let's get Tyron Taylor in. But there's nothing that says that right now. And don't overanalyze, especially people who don't know what they're looking at in training camp with Twitter videos. I'm sick of it.


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[Assistant] You know, and I haven't watched the film of that game, like I said yet, but on TV it didn't look like there was like, oh, somebody's wide open, he's missing that.


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[Assistant] He took what the defense gave him, and I think it was an encouraging start for, for, you know, second game in a row for the Giants and Dayball and Daniel Jones.


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[Assistant] They got three guys that are legit, you know, and, and single Terry, we know has been good, right? You know, I've, I've been wanting to, hey, I wish he was a hair faster and, you know, but he's, he can make people miss. He's a good pass game blocker, of course catches the ball well to the backfield.


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[Assistant] Cook is, Cook is the type of guy that, you know, he can catch a screen and go 80 yards for a touchdown. And then Moss is the guy that can come in and be the sledgehammer and be really explosive for a lot of 10 and 15 yard runs. I think...


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[Assistant] I've said Ken Dorsey as an offensive coordinator is one of the underlying big questions in football for a team we're talking about as a Super Bowl team, right? So that's all look good. Here's the other thing that I think that, okay,


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[Assistant] We don't have to question, and that I think has been underlying that maybe I should have brought attention to earlier too. Aaron Cromer, their offensive line coach, is going to change the attitude of that football team. I was with Aaron Cromer in Tampa. He was the offensive line coach for Sean Payton and the Saints there for a while.


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[Assistant] This is the best old line coach they've had there since Josh Allen's been the quarterback. And I think he will bring not only an attitude to toughness to their offensive line,


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[Assistant] A few things of, hey, when defenses play this, we like to run this cause we, it sets up really well for our blocking.


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[Assistant] And I think that's where they're going to be more dangerous. And if they can get a little bit more of a power running game and now that opens up play action pass and makes Josh Allen design runs a little bit more scary and everything, you go, Ooh, watch out, but whoo.


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[Assistant] How do you not like the way the Bills look? I mean, first off, this is where, you know, I mean, Allen and Mahomes to me, they're in their own class right now. They're like, they're just superstars.


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[Assistant] Playing with kids out there. They really are. And just think about Josh Allen. Oh, you know, zoom, slant over the middle. You know, another little short completion and then, oh, let me do a 360 in the pocket and, oh, sit back up and let me throw a 40-yard bomb for a touchdown. Boom. I mean, it just...


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[Assistant] He's unreal. He really is. It was a 28 yard bomb, I think. But either way, I mean, it's just a, he's a special player. And I think between that, Ahmed,


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[Assistant] And then we talk about a little more physicality to your point on that side of the ball. I love the way the defense looks. I love the way the defense looks. They got like,


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[Assistant] You know, between Ed Oliver, who's playing really good, but Rousseau in the second year. We haven't even seen Von Miller up there yet.


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[Assistant] The fact that they got Jordan Phillips, and now Carlos Basham is the second team defense alignment. He starts in the game, you know, uh, in Von Miller's spot. Eponesa looks really good. They're just more size and ass to their team in that department.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to where, Shaq Lawson, it just, they have incredible depth too. And I think what's gonna make them dangerous is the fact that now they're gonna be able to depend on those guys to hold up.


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[Assistant] Leslie Frazier, McDermott are gonna always have to come up with these crazy game plans to kind of hide that part of their football team. So.


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[Assistant] The bills are, they're good. And, you know, just would have a hard time thinking they're not in the final four in the AFC. I'm not gonna go nuts to the final two yet in the AFC or the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I'm looking at a rundown and I know, you know, we got the Chiefs coming up here next in this conversation. And like I said, the Bills, even with Kyra Elam in the secondary, you know, they got some other contributors in the secondary that look like they've grown up a little bit, they're gonna help them.


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[Assistant] I mean, the Bills and the Chiefs just look like they're on a collision course for the game of the century. I mean, these two teams are- We already had that. We saw it last year. Part do, okay? I guess earlier this year, yea. They're, they're-


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[Assistant] They're just, they're, the AFC, it's so competitive and all these stars and all these teams. They're going, we're not waiting till week one or two or three to get our feet under it. They are going to come out full systems go kick your ass and


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[Assistant] I just love the fact that they're playing their guys a little bit more and kind of setting an attitude to their football team and they're not going to be caught off guard week one or two and be like, oh wait, whoa, this is, this is regular season football. You know, they're, they're going to be the ones that's going to be like, Hey, yeah. Who are we playing? Oh yeah. Welcome to regular season football. We're here this year. They look phenomenal so far.


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[Assistant] He's as good as he's looked and he did not look like this last year. He's a year away from, you know, another year away from that toe injury that I talked about. His movement looks back to Patrick Mahomes' movement. He's even


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[Assistant] A little cleaner in his throwing mechanics. The ball is just spinning off his hands. Perfect spirals. I think he's, you know, I think he got a little into like, hey, I'm just Patrick Mahomes and I'll make it happen. I feel like he's gotten back to a little bit of like,


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[Assistant] Let me get my body lined up just a little more. Let me keep my shoulder in there a little bit more. And when I'm watching film,


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[Assistant] I'm sitting there in awe because I've seen the ball in person before where I go, oh my gosh, look at that ball spin. Holy cow. Not only is it going through the air with vapor trails, but it's spinning so hard that there's a weird wobble on the film cause it's spinning so hard.


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[Assistant] So as you can tell, I'm extremely excited about them too. And he looks awesome.


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[Assistant] They're, they're getting used to life, this is a, we're getting used to life without Tyree kill, Tyree kill.


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[Assistant] We know, you know, Michael Harmon, he'll be back, and Juju, yeaah, he's gonna be fine.


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[Assistant] You know, and good. But Marques Valdez-Scanling looks good. Of course, Kelsey looks good. The offensive line looks immovable to this point. And I think that will continue. And then you get into the scouting of Veach and Andy Reid where they got these guys like Watson number 84, Noah Gray 83, and you know.


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[Assistant] Danny Fountain, number 82, and Fortson, and you just go, who the hell are these guys, but they're impressive looking.


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[Assistant] They got it all going. And they look like they can play two tight end sets and run the ball. McKinnon look good. Pachecho looks good. I mean,


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[Assistant] The defense looks good. It's just, they to me, the Bills and the Chiefs so far are the two teams I look at and just go, watch the freak out. There's some other teams too, we'll hit on, but I'm just, and then you add those quarterbacks. It's just, it's special. It's insane in the


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[Assistant] He did. He did. The team didn't win as much, so people were like, oh, well he didn't win much, but he actually played his best year of football. And I do think there's something to that, to what you're saying, Ahmed, no doubt. You know, Sky Moore, I didn't talk about him. You know, it's another one. It's just, they got players everywhere and they have the look.


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[Assistant] And then of course now they have the attitude that's backing it up. And when I start to see those things, I just start to go, uh-oh, watch out everybody. Two guys.


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[Assistant] I mean, Leo Chanel, he didn't start, but he got in there early and was part of their base package, which, you know, he just...


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[Assistant] Again, you know, I don't understand why he was on the board so long. I don't know what you wouldn't like about a guy that's 250 and runs four or five and tackles and hits everybody. I just, I was one of those where I just, I didn't get it. And you know, they're kind of one of these teams like the Ravens where they just seem to collect the biggest, baddest dudes all the time. He looks great. Carl Aftiss is,


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[Assistant] I think, you know, we'll see what Aiden, uh, I know Aiden Hutchinson didn't play in week two, but Carl Aftis has probably been, I think to the question's point, probably the most impressive rookie so far. I mean, he's...


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[Assistant] It's consistent pressure. It's consistent overpowering the offensive tackle. It's consistent nice bend around the edge. And then he's got, you know, hand work and things that you go, well, that's not normal of a rookie to be kind of that good in that department. So, you know, that's a bold statement there, but yes, I think that is correct. And then, you know, Ahmed, you throw in,


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[Assistant] You throw in guys like, you know, we talk about Chanel and Carl Aftis and then they get in dime and Justin Reed goes down and they bring in, you know, Cook from, uh, the safety from, from Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Who? He looks really good. You know, they got a number 94 Malik Heron, a young guy coming off the edge who looks really good. So I, I just look at them right now and go, whoa, McDuffie looks good, Fenton the other starting corner, Reid Thornhill, Ligeria Snead at nickel, and then,


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[Assistant] Backups that you go, oh man, if they did have an injury for three or four weeks, they're, they're not going to be, they're, they're going to be fine. They're not going to be any problem here. So, uh, yeah, it's, it's, I'm excited about the Chiefs, as you can tell. Uh, I still think they are in that conversation, just like the Bills as kings of the AFC. Uh, just too many good looking physical guys that stand out when


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[Assistant] I'm going to be funny here, but you know, uh, Jack Del Rio has got to start getting his guys off of playing dust up football and just go full-fledged insurrection here or something. I don't know what they're doing. They're playing dust up ball. All right. Cause it hasn't looked that good. It hasn't. I mean, I mean, it's just, it's, there's, there's, you know,


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[Assistant] I would expect more. You know, again, they're playing a team that's really damn good and I understand that.


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[Assistant] Defense has not been dominant. Montez Sweat, he pops for sure. But yea, the Chiefs had their way with them. Really, I mean, it was very easy. So that does scare me a little bit by the way they played. And then, you know, you look at that, I love their receivers, Curtis Samuel.


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[Assistant] You know, Dotson looks good and looks the part. Uh, of course McCorran's real.


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[Assistant] You know, De'Ami Brown, maybe not as good as what I thought he was gonna be, but still, like, he is damn good. Gibson is good. I love the Robinson kid. The Robinson kid's a real in-between-the-tackles, sledgehammer runner. So I wouldn't be shocked if he was starting when it's all said and done, cause he's a little more trustworthy about that. But I worry about their O-line. Their O-line is something that worries me. It wasn't great in week one.


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[Assistant] It wasn't great again, uh, this past weekend and that's where, uh, yeah, I just, I, I, I guess I wonder, I was expecting a little bit better of a look, I think throughout the whole football team and I do wonder if they're going to maybe have to play through


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[Assistant] The pass a little bit more and open the field up that way to maybe help out the run game and just get the ball to Samuel and McCorn and be that kind of football team until maybe the offensive line can get their feet underneath them a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well I think that does say something to your point. You know, no, well he's our backup running back. Put him back there. I think he's fallen out of the trust tree a little bit because of his inability to hold the ball. I think, you know, he fumbled in week one. I think that scares him. There's a few fumbles last year if I remember correctly. So I think that's gotta be on, on, on their, in their head a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that doesn't mean anything. He's still going to have a major role in their offense. He's definitely better than Robinson in the pass game. Had a nice catch coming out of the backfield where he ran a little Texas or angle route. Whatever system you're in, you want to call that. That was really nice. I would say, man, if Heinecke hit De'Ami Brown there, it might have been a bigger play.


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[Assistant] He'll have a role. He's a really damn good player. Uh, but I think ultimately it's just Robinson brings a physicality.


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[Assistant] Power can move the pile, you know, is very good at dodging people in closed quarters to get a few extra yards. And I think the ball security thing's a real thing for them with Ron Rivera being kind of a defense head coach there. So, uh, again, I think he'll have a role, but yeah, I don't think he's gonna be the starting running back. I don't think he will be.


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[Assistant] You know, he looks good. There's no doubt. Again, am I gonna sit here and tell you I'm in love with his throwing motion? No, I'm not. But it's still good and he controls the football. And again, he's got a presence and an ability about him when he does get outside the pocket or even standing in the pocket. That's real.


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[Assistant] I like everything there. I do. You know, again, I'm gonna question about how great it can be until I'm totally sold on the throwing. And I don't mean to be the hater of Justin Fields. I know I'm kind of that guy. And again, I'm rooting for him. I hope he proves me wrong. But, uh, yeaah, overall,


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[Assistant] You know, I think he looks like he knows what he's doing. He understands the offense. Again, it's a new system from him. I think he'll have more...


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[Assistant] You know, concise planning on that side of the ball this year with Luke, uh, with, uh, Getzi from, from Green Bay. So I think he was going to feel comfortable in a lot more areas maybe when he's underneath center in the shotgun to go, Oh wait, my guy gave me answers here. I know what to do against this and this and this.


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[Assistant] I got nothing to say. I think you kind of said it. It's just a little bit more about, you know, what is the rest of the team going to look like. You know, they're, they are, they look well coached and organized and like, you know, play hard.


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[Assistant] And pretty disciplined. They just, do they have enough difference makers to what you're saying? Is there enough difference makers on both sides of the ball that where, hey, this is a hard fought game in week four.


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[Assistant] Alright, now who's gonna make the play to help them win the game? It's an even game, right, against this team, and blah, blah, blah. Uh, so that's the big thing there, but yeaah, I think there's, you know, a lot of good- They didn't look as sloppy as Seattle!


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[Assistant] And then everybody piles on Geno Smith too, which I don't necessarily like either, that bothers me a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, again, I think it's another guy that people just want to jump on just because it's Geno Smith and there was chances to jump on him early in his career, so we'll just keep piling the shit on him. And I just don't think that's fair. I know I don't. I didn't come away from the game going, man,


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[Assistant] You know, first off, their own line is not good. They got a rookie left tackle who jumped off sides a bunch of times. Seattle always has penalties. See, they were having penalties with Russell Wilson in the preseason too, but it just didn't matter because it was Russell Wilson. So we're like, oh, they'll be okay.


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[Assistant] They'll be good. It's okay. No, Pete Carroll, they have a tradition of being the most penalized team in football. They always are.


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[Assistant] So, there's issues there. You know, and yes, it's sloppy. So, you know, he has a first third down, Ahmed. He throws a strike on like a 20 yard in cut and it goes right through the, I mean, it almost hit the guy in the face. He has his hands like this, wrong hands like this as the ball's gonna hit him in the face. It goes right through his hands first down.


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[Assistant] And thank God Dan Orlowski, like, you know, later the next drive was like, no, do you know, threw a great ball on third down. The guy's got to catch the ball. I think it was Freddie Swain on that one that dropped it, you know, had another ball batted the line of scrimmage, you know, and then.


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[Assistant] He had a play action pass where he tripped and fell. So that was, that was the end. Oh gosh. Oh my gosh. You know, him and Travis Homer hit feet together there. But again, I don't look at like the Seattle Seahawks and go,


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[Assistant] You know, and again, I think he's, he's trustworthy with his decision making and he's going to take care of the ball. And yeah, I mean, well, we might see Drew Lochner in the air. Sure. We might. Drew's got big time talent. So does Gino though. Gino's talent is real. I don't know how you can't watch that game and go, whoa, the ball pops off his hands. You know, he is a pretty good athlete. So that, you know, again, I, not to, I'm sitting here trying to anoint him.


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[Assistant] Seattle, what does Seattle have? What do they have? I mean, what does everybody want, like, expect? They have DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett, and then just a bunch of other solid players. I love the left tackle in his look, but he's raw and getting used to the NFL.


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[Assistant] Uh, Kenneth Walker's hurt. I know. You know, Rashad Penny, I mean, he'll be in there, and I'm excited for that, but, yeah, just, I just, you said it right. I like your quote. That was a good way to put it. He won't be the reason. He won't be the reason. He won't be very good. There's a lot of other reasons that are issues there.


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[Assistant] They will. Just because they're getting beat a few times in preseason game one or two, just don't overreact. You know, it's a huge learning curve. Again, they're used to being, even in the SEC like we've said, or the ACC like,


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[Assistant] You know, there's no pass rushers that they're seeing like this right now in the NFL. Then it's grown men who are schooled and really into their crap and have a whole different variety of moves that they're still learning. And then add on to it, wait, I was blocking this guy on this down, now it's another guy and he's totally different.


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[Assistant] Wait, they hit a big guy, and now it's this guy, and he's really quick. And now, oh, now it's the guy that's an in-betweener. So it's life adjustment. And they're used to being physically dominant. You know, we're gonna, we'll talk about another tackle here in a minute.


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[Assistant] You know, I like their look. Evan Neal is a road grader in the run game.


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[Assistant] He's used to being able to lean on people and then just crumbling to the ground a little bit or just being like, oh my gosh, he hit me with one arm and I'm done. I can't rush anymore. Well.


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[Assistant] You know, he's saying that he's got to finish plays. You know, he even gave up a play or a sack last night where it just, he leaned a little bit, his feet stop, and the guy goes around him. Iki Ikwano looks, to me, looks good. You know, but again,


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[Assistant] You know, he's, there he is, blocking one guy, and it's Matt Judon and that crew, and then all of a sudden it's Ushay, who is one of the stars of preseason in my opinion for the Patriots so far. I mean, Josh Ushay, number 55 of the Patriots, has real pass rush value.


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[Assistant] He's got incredible strength for a guy that's not like overly big. He's like 250, but his speed and his ability to bend and, and just, you know, rip with the inside arm. It's, it's really damn good. He's looked like one of the better pass rushers of all preseason to me that that's popped out. So yeah, he got a little schooling from him a few times, but I'm not like, Oh man.


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[Assistant] He looks weak, or oh man, there's a lack of foot quickness. No, it's more like, oh man, welcome to the NFL, and there's a lot of studs you're gonna have to block on a weekly basis. I think we were saying the same thing


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[Assistant] It's, that maybe is the, maybe the biggest adjustment of any position. Just cause of kind of what we're saying. You just, here's a sledgehammer, here's a sledgehammer.


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[Assistant] Whoa, here's a fast and a smaller guy. And then, whoa, here's a guy that's got a little of everything. He's got some quickness and then he's got the little sledgehammer ability too. So, and then they're more schooled in their techniques than you are as a rookie and all that. Plus you're thinking.


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[Assistant] And the offensive line and left tackle, there's a lot of things going on in the line of scrimmage. So again, the look is the most important thing. And then none of them look out of place. None of them are perfect yet. And uh, you know, I like the way Icky looks.


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[Assistant] I like that question, that Jsally1054c. I can tell he's been listening to the pod for a while. I don't know if that stands true as much for the Patriots anymore because I don't think, I think we're getting to the end of the Bill Belichick career where he's not worried about, you know, keeping diaries on team as much. But yes, I was always back in my Bleacher Report days going, I wouldn't


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[Assistant] He wasn't going to get blindsided if he had to play in a regular season game. Oh, the Saints are a team to watch out for. Oh, here come the Saints to town and practice. He was going to know, is he going to have a little dialogue and diary with their, wait, oh, we're going to write this down on this down. They like to do that. And he's going to, and yeah, they're scary that way. You know, this is more, I think, a relationship with Matt Ruhl.


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[Assistant] And a guy that is a real football guy, I think in his eyes, rules respected by a lot of NFL people. He is. You know, and I know it hasn't gone perfectly yet.


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[Assistant] So I'm not saying, you know, they schedule them to like worry about some schematical thing that they're trying to figure out, like maybe they were with Drew Brees and Sean Payton, and if we have to see them in the Super Bowl, we'll be ready because we got a little time against them, right? You know, I don't think it's that. But, you know, the one thing is, the Panthers, I mean,


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[Assistant] I'm not saying playoffs, but I'll back up again kind of what I said last year. I think they, if Gina, I mean, if, uh, Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] Can play good football. They're gonna be a pain in the ass and a force in the NFC. I do. There's just, to me, too many good things about the team. That defense ain't going anywhere. They got studs across the board. And I think, at the very least, that's what Bill and the Patriots are probably looking at, is like, hey, we can get our young offensive line.


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[Assistant] And our young quarterback used to this defense that's got an unbelievable defense of front and corners and everything that way. And I know this guy and they're going to bring a physicality element to the practice that I like and it made it got too physical as they had so many fights out there. They'd have a few fights.


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[Assistant] I don't like what I've seen from Matt Corral. I'm going to be wrong about Matt Corral. I'm going to take this on the chin this year. That's just the way it's going to be. I feel that and that's my thought. I don't like the look. He plays very small.


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[Assistant] It's just again, not that you gotta be a giant, but if you're his size, then you gotta be really quick and fast. And he ain't that either. It's just not, it's not as quick and as fast as I thought it was either. How did tape fool you? Well, you know, I think


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[Assistant] I don't know if I thought, I thought maybe he was a hair bigger and could play in the pocket a little bit more than I thought. And I thought he was going to be able to maybe hop around and move to a degree and create some of those off schedule plays that, you know, I value so much. Seen nothing of that so far.


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[Assistant] Let alone when the pocket collapses, it's like, the shit's over. Alright? He's not even in the same class as Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett. I'm wrong, I'm just telling you right now. Okay, let me throw this


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[Assistant] They have things about their look that I just go, uh, they belong right now. Now, Matt Corral, maybe he does, but I don't think it's anytime soon. That's what I'm, that's what I'm saying, I guess. It's gonna be a while.


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[Assistant] So, that's, that's, it scares me a little bit. I'll say that. Maybe I'm overreacting by that, but if I had to re-rank to the question,


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[Assistant] I'd go pick at one, Willis too, but like, I love Willis the way he looks too. I mean, Willis has a chance to me, right now, to be


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[Assistant] The Josh Allen-y guy, where I just go, I love his motion. I love the way he throws the football. He's a gifted, in control runner. He's strong in the pocket. And you can already, I already saw adjustments to his game. I mean.


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[Assistant] And I wanted to go, no, no, this is one you need to run. This is gonna, but he was like, no, no, stay in here. Coach said to stay in the pocket.


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[Assistant] And I just, you know, the arm is real. It's a big time NFL arm. And it's easy and smooth. And then you see already the little bit of the magician he's got with the sidearm throw. It's the second week in a row we've seen a really impressive sidearm throw.


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[Assistant] Breaking tackles in the pocket when he does get out in the run. Not that he's like 4-4 speed.


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[Assistant] Because of his strength and his ability to change directions and, and like break down people, it almost translates to like he makes people stop and then he can kind of accelerate pretty good. So I've just, I love the way he looks. And I think that was, you know, again, it wasn't perfect the other night.


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[Assistant] Wow, it just, it, it, it just to me, it's just a matter of time and, you know, I, you know, it's, Tannenhill's gonna be the guy this year, but if Tannenhill got hurt, I just go, oh, they're, don't count out the Titans. They can still be dangerous and they might have their guy for the future here. I mean, if you ask me right now, I go, they got their guy for the future and I'm excited about it.


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[Assistant] And she said you could feel the energy around him when he was out there and the players loved to be with him. And that's tangible. It's a real thing.


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[Assistant] I mean, it really is. And not that I, you know, but, you know, it is. There's certain guys, and then when they see your talent, and then the personality matches up, they gravitate towards him.


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[Assistant] And I think he might have some of that magic. So, uh, they're excited. The Titans have, you know, they're, they're a good football team and they might not need them this year, but you know, either way, it looks like John Robinson and Vrabel got a good one there.


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[Assistant] No, but you know, and I know Vrabel said this after the game and he liked what I said and you know, I promise you I saw this before I saw that quote. I'm going to echo that. Berks looked


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[Assistant] You know, he looked a little bit more explosive. Than what? Just like the first week was a little bit... Week one to week two. Week one to week two, you know, maybe a little unsure of himself.


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[Assistant] You know, I just, the way he came off the ball, the way he ran, ran routes, I just went, ooh, okay. I mean, yeah, the ball didn't go to him. So what? It wasn't like he was like, I was like, oh man, he's so slow. He can't get open. Oh my gosh, this is going to be a disaster. So that's one where, you know, don't just look at the stat sheet.


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[Assistant] You know, the player itself looks like he belongs. Am I expecting him to be AJ Brown this year? No. Come on, that's, that's insane.


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[Assistant] I just wanna give the guy some love, cause he was an honorable mention during the tight end stuff, and


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[Assistant] He's got freakish ability. He was so raw in Maryland. You know, Maryland always has these guys where I just go, man, this guy's a freak, but he's just a little like has no clue what he's doing yet. But you could see the lights are coming on with this guy and he's, you know, second week in a row where I just go, whoa.


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[Assistant] You know, again, they know how to evaluate tight ends and groom them down there. If shit, Vrabel could have played tight end in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And they, they of course value it with the style of play they are with running the ball, smash mouth, you know, play action, tight end over the middle. So he's a guy, again, I look at to go, ooh, they got something for the future. He might not take off this year, but he certainly looks the part and looks more than the part.


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[Assistant] I think has a chance to be actually a really, really special tight end in the NFL, uh, by the things I've seen so far. So let's do Kenny Pickett next after this.


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[Assistant] Which it does. He sounds like he's an experienced, uh, smoker here. And uhm, I'm still trucking along here. I'm doing good.


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[Assistant] No, you know, I go through this all the time, and see, I love this, I'm glad we're making a little turn here. Uhm, no, I go through this all the time where...


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[Assistant] You know, when you're smoking too much, you go, oh man, maybe I wouldn't be so tired if I didn't smoke or maybe I wouldn't have forgot that if I didn't smoke. And then like two weeks after being sober, I go, I'm forgetting more shit now than I ever did. I don't know. Maybe I'm better off smoking and damn, I'm tired too.


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[Assistant] I didn't have, I actually, this last few days were my hardest days so far. Like the first two weeks I was good. And then I got to this weekend and I told my wife on Saturday night, I was like, ah, this is like the first night, I'm really missing weed. I really am. I wanted like that mental relaxation.


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[Assistant] I could not sleep as well, at first, to his question. That's a real thing. It's a real thing. You know, because weed, as you know, a lot of people use it to sleep. It conks you out.


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[Assistant] And so yea, at first I was like, you know, I was sleeping but not getting deep sleep. I'd be like, wait, did I sleep or was I, I feel like I was barely asleep there and it's 5.30 in the morning and I have to get up. Shit. So there was that.


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[Assistant] And my, you know, the appetite maybe for the first few days wasn't normal, but I'm back to normal. The good thing is I've had no dreams about weed yet. I've done this in my past where I literally dream about weed. I haven't done that yet, but this Friday, uhm, I'm coming out with a vengeance. You're coming back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Okonkwo. Okay, it's just as it's spol- spelled, really, I guess. I don't know why I thought there was an or in there. So Okonkwo. Okay.


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[Assistant] I definitely don't like drinking just on itself. I never have been and really was


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[Assistant] Covid made me maybe a little bit more of a drinker than I've ever been in my life. Interesting. Yeah, but uhm, so yeah. And I had a drink Saturday. I had to go to my nephew's birthday party. Yeah, you need something for that. I had some drinks, yeah. But, but, that's about it.


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[Assistant] I saw some of the highlights the other night, but then when Sunday morning came around, it's I think


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[Assistant] I put Chiefs Commanders on film first and then I was like, alright, let me steal a steal. I go to all the games first off where I feel like the real players play. You know, I did, I, I'm not going to lie. I don't know if I'm going to watch Detroit versus Indianapolis preseason game. I don't give a shit about a lot of those guys that played in that game. You know, that was one of those games, but pick it.


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[Assistant] He can just play. He really can. And I don't even know where to say it. It's just like, has a great feel for the game.


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[Assistant] has great control of the football, understands where to go the ball, understands, oh no, I'm in trouble, here's a safe place to throw the ball, and the biggest thing is, I mean, under pressure,


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[Assistant] Holy crap, Ola. Some of the throws he made, I mean the touchdown throw he had called back because the left tackle hold, was phenomenal. A few of the third down throws with people in his face and just being able to still see the field clearly, kind of hung on his back foot, throws it not looking at the rush, like looked at the rush to go, okay wait,


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[Assistant] I gotta hurry up and make a decision, but then the eyes went right back downfield. I mean...


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[Assistant] He is a starting quarterback right now in the NFL. And I would say they really should go with him as the starting quarterback. Wow, really? But there's one issue.


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[Assistant] The offensive line would scare the shit outta me. Their offensive line...


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[Assistant] Got steamrolled in the football game. Concerning. Steamrolled. Left tackle is an issue. For sure. I mean, you know, Trubisky was under fire and so was Kenny Pickett. And I just feel like Kenny Pickett


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[Assistant] You know, he's, he knows how to read a defense and he doesn't lose control of the football. Not that Trubisky was bad.


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[Assistant] If their offensive line was better, I'd be sitting here going, start Kenny Pickett, start the new era right now.


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[Assistant] But I think I'd be a little scared with their early schedule and playing the Bengals week one. And I believe they're on the road in week one to where I go, I don't know if you want to throw it. That guy might get beat to hell early in the year. Let them figure it out a little bit and get them playing a little bit better. Right. They are on the road. Pete's confirming. So.


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[Assistant] There you go. I mean, those three, those first three defensive lines... At Bengals, home against the Patriots, at Browns on Thursday night. Patriots are stacked on the D-line too. Browns, we know. Jets are gonna be better there.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, maybe the Thursday night game, Pete saying in my ear, after the Browns, that might be the time, if it doesn't look good, and they're 1-2, maybe you make the trade, I mean the change.


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[Assistant] It is. It's not that, but it is also going to go to another level of, you know, talent and...


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[Assistant] Whoa, the fans are crazy. It's regular season football. And you're not, maybe not get so many bland coverages as much to where that's the only thing I worry about. But if they think he can handle it, go. It's go time. I'm always in favor of like the Peyton Manning school. Throw them out there and let them take your lumps.


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[Assistant] Get em playing, it's only going to be better in the future for the Steelers. You know, the Steelers, I like a lot of the things on their football team, but the man, the offensive line is a real issue. And not that Trubisky didn't look good. Trubisky looked good too. And he made a great escape one play.


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[Assistant] And had Deontay Johnson, I mean, gone for a touchdown and he under threw the ball and it was incomplete, but it was a great escape and all that. And then again, I don't want to put and say he did a bad job. He looked good too.


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[Assistant] Pickett just looks extremely comfortable and beyond his years as far as a rookie. And he looks like he's ready to go. You said it right, the movement's good, the arm is good, there's no weakness to his game.


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[Assistant] The decision making's good. There might not be as much wow factor as Malik Willis that we've talked about, where I guess, whoa, what a throw. Whoa, that's a rocket. Holy crap, it's a run.


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[Assistant] Man, running the offense, doing the, you know, he's just a little, he's ahead of those guys in that department. And, uh, yeaah, I really like the look a lot.


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[Assistant] I mean, the, you know, the physical ability and all that stuff we talk about, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, the real deal hole we field there. The one thing I will say, and it's the second week in a row, and I said this last week, you know, lock onto receivers a little too much.


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[Assistant] You know, missed a throw or two that I think even Doug Peterson alluded to in his post-game press conference. And I think early on, hey, he's, he's still getting used to a new offense and playing too. But yeah, I think that's the biggest thing I would look at is just locking onto the first read. You know, get off it, go to the next guy. You know, it's not Clemson anymore. Your guy's not going to win and just be open all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, do, do that way. There was, you know, one out route to the left where, hey, his feet got a little cockeyed and he lost control of the football. But overall, yes, I like the look. The Jaguars are a team that I would just go watch out, watch out for the Jaguars. The Jaguars.


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[Assistant] With him at quarterback, the receivers they have, the tight ends they have, they're all line.


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[Assistant] They gotta figure out right tackle, but even if they, they're, they're gonna figure it out. They have two good options there. Juwan Taylor or Walker Little look good. So, like, they're a team that,


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[Assistant] Like we've hit on some of these other teams, I love the look of their team. You know, they're young, and does that mean that I think they're gonna go to the playoffs or go on an eight game winning streak at some point? No, probably not, but they are gonna be a pain in the ass. And if there is one team right now that I say, just


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[Assistant] It got blown out. It got blown out in the first week. But they can be really dangerous. There's no question.


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[Assistant] The secondary looks good. Andre Sisco, my number one safety from two years ago, he's starting. You know, they get into the four man nickel pass rush situation. They got...


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[Assistant] They got, they had Trayvon Walker and Arden Key at defense of tackle and Josh Allen and, um, Kay LaVon Chase on a defense end.


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[Assistant] You know, our, our, our man Foyasada Lua Khan in the middle, he looks the real deal. They have so many good looking players. Again, they're young, it's a new staff, and they gotta learn to be battle tested and all of that.


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[Assistant] I don't see one, a little bit like Miami and that where I just go, I don't see any physical weaknesses on their football team and that's


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[Assistant] He's got a real explosion and he's got a real knack a little bit like we talked about with Brian Robinson from the commanders of kind of dodging people in close quarters and you go, well, there wasn't much there, but he got a six yard run there. Like that was pretty impressive. I like the way he looks.


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[Assistant] I was really underwhelmed with Davis Mills the other night.


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[Assistant] There's just nothing there for me to jump on with Davis Mills. There's nothing. He actually looked less accurate than last year. There's no power on the football. He threw two jump balls up the right sideline. If it weren't for that, his stats would be very bad.


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[Assistant] And the guy made a great catch. I think it was uh, Nico Collins in the end zone for a touchdown, right? It was an unbelievable catch. He threw another ball on the right sideline that was, you know, I go, man, if that's a first team defense, that's, that's big trouble right there. So I don't like the way it looks. And when I look at that, I just go, no, he's just holding the place for,


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[Assistant] This next year's crop of quarterbacks that's supposedly supposed to be pretty damn good and they're gonna draft one of them. So, uh, yeaah, I'm sorry. I'm going with or not on that one, Hennessy Black.


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[Assistant] Looks the part, Aman. Looks the part. I mean, he looks like a star corner.


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[Assistant] He's got incredible hips, you know, ability to put his foot in the ground and drive on the ball. Now he's going against a guy, he was going against some guys where, you know, they're not in his class. This is my one thing I want to see with Stingley.


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[Assistant] If he's really got the extra gear when it comes time to, I gotta go chase Alan Robinson or Cooper Cup or one of those guys. You know, he's getting to go against guys that yeah, he should be able to cover. That's my only thing I need to see. I'm not blown away by the straight ahead explosion.


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[Assistant] The hips, the body control, he understands coverage and all that, looks very good. There's no doubt about it. I just would like to like, not judge it all the way yet. I'd like to see him go against a guy that can really run 4-3 and then go, okay, wait, now you can't kind of sit on everything because you know this guy can't run on you, run by you.


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[Assistant] You know, this, you have to respect this guy. He's gonna run by you. What's it gonna look like? I gotta see that a little bit, but certainly, you know, I was definitely encouraged by the way he looked.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's number five out there. You know, that's another one. I don't see it right now. I don't. Small and not very explosive is what I would say, and that's usually not a very good combination. So we'll see where that goes.


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[Assistant] You know, I certainly watched those two very closely on that side of the ball. And uhm, I was underwhelmed by, with Jaylen Petrie for sure.


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[Assistant] I still got the first down, and it wasn't the wrong read. You know, by the book, it probably should have gone over the middle. It was a Tampa 2 defense where, you know, of course you know Tampa 2, the middle linebacker gets out there, the guy was kind of sitting there replacing that guy.


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[Assistant] He played the weak side, they had to like slant by the receiver, and then Edmund's in the flat. Edmund's got leverage right away.


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[Assistant] And he got out there, so that wasn't a bad decision by any stretch of the imagination. So I'm not gonna over judge on that at all. I thought two would look good. I did.


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[Assistant] You know, again, the Dolphins are one of these teams in pre-season so far that you just go, ooh, my gosh, they look really good. They just gotta get the O-line. That's the right tackle is one thing I question. Austin Jackson there, he did not look that great in the football game. So there's an issue there. Teron Armstead wasn't out there. O-line, yeaah, I worry about that. But man, the way they look,


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[Assistant] You know, with that offense, I just think it suits him. You know, play action, bootlegs, it's right up his alley. And then, you know, he does have good feel in the pocket and he does have some deliveries to wheel and deal too. So I think he's in a situation that could set him up perfectly for what he's got.


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[Assistant] You know, so I, I had no issue with that. Did a good job one time in a play action pass, looked to the right, hit the deep curve to the left on Cedric Wilson. That was impressive.


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[Assistant] Had another one where, you know, you know, went through the reads and got a nice completion. So I liked the way Tua did, looked overall. The Dolphins as a whole, as a football team, wow.


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[Assistant] You know, and then they got a rookie receiver in, you know, another name that we need to practice here. Uh, the kid from Texas Tech that they drafted in the fourth round. And where the hell is this damn game on my sheet here? Oh, I got it. Uh, you know,


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[Assistant] Ezuconma is, is the real deal. And I'd have a hard time thinking he doesn't get some real run during the regular season. But hey, they got Jalen Waddle and Tyree Kill, we know. And, you know, they got, uh, Cedric Wilson, who's damn good too. But they, they look like they got a gem here in the fourth round from that kid.


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[Assistant] And the defense almond, there's just another one, a little bit like, you know, I want to say the Jaguars, and they got no Xavier and Howard and Byron Jones out there.


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[Assistant] There's so many good looking players on their defense, it's scary.


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[Assistant] I mean it's, it's scary when you go through it. And I just wanna make sure, I'm gonna give some love to these guys real quick. And I know we gotta get done with this pot here soon. But I wanna, I wanna, I wanna just hit this real quick. Just real quick. I mean first off, Wilkerson and Rayquan Davis in the middle. Like good luck moving those guys. Good luck.


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[Assistant] Alright, Jalen Phillips looks like a legit top tier pass rusher in football off the edge. Then you got a guy like, you know, Emmanuel Ogba. He's a backup right now. Zach Seiler, who started. Alright, uhm, and I just want to make, oh, and then, you know, uh, you know, Andrew Van Ginkle.


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[Assistant] I mean, they just, they got, I know, they got some players. And, you know, Landon Roberts starting to middle linebacker, and then we know that Javon Holland's safety to me is already one of the best safeties in football. So I'm like, they're a team I look at and just go watch out. Watch out for sure. The only thing I gotta see from Tula, as I said to Mike Florio today,


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[Assistant] You know, when it's 30 mph wind and they gotta play up in Buffalo, and they gotta play the Patriots in a cold weather game or anything like that, is he gonna be able to push the ball and make some throws outside the rhythm of the offense? That's the big thing there, but I think this offense and the way they're gonna play is really gonna suit him.


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[Assistant] Eric Ezucama. Ezucama. Okay, I wasn't that far off. Ezucama. Ezucama. I think I kinda said that. Maybe it's Ezucama. Close enough. Either way, we'll work on it. We'll work on that.


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[Assistant] He's got some positive signs, for sure. And he sounds like everything and he's approaching it like a real professional here now.


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[Assistant] I don't think it is. I don't think it is. There's still a lot to like. First off, you know, it shows you that man, they don't trust them all the way yet. I think that's for sure if they're trading for Nick Mullins. I also think, you know, they were spending the whole week with the 49ers.


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[Assistant] And I'm sure Kyle Shanahan's praised Nick Mullins. But Nick Mullins again is one of those guys where I go, yeah, everybody always talks so great about him, but they can't wait to get him out of the building after a little while. So I don't, there's no potential there. It's just, Hey, we can trust them for a game or two or three. Right? I think that's the biggest thing.


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[Assistant] You know, but obviously the Raiders are going with Jared Stenema as a backup over Nick Mullins.


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[Assistant] You can't blame Kellenmann. They couldn't block the 49ers. He's getting ready to throw and he got people pushed right back into his face and the ball kind of popped in the air and he had an interception. So yea, that stinks for him. The last interception at the end of the game was a horrible play by him. He threw a floater.


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[Assistant] You know, the 49ers are real. The 49ers second team is in another class than the Viking second team right now. So I'm not giving up on Kellenmann. And you know me, I keep it pretty real. If I was really concerned, I would tell you, I still think there's some positives there.


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[Assistant] You know, they obviously are maybe not totally in the trust tree with him there all the way yet.


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[Assistant] I just would have a hard time if he can stay healthy to think that he's not going to be a huge difference maker for that football team. Especially because he's going to see a lot of favorable matchups.


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[Assistant] You know, you got Eric Armstead. You got Joey Bosa, I mean Nick Bosa on the edge. So you're not gonna be able to double team him.


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[Assistant] And it's great to see it. The 49ers are another one of those teams where you just go, holy shit, how many killers do they got on the team? They're growing on trees in San Franciscoville. Alright, so that's what's really, really encouraging from that standpoint. And yeah, you know, again, there was, that's what my point with Mon was. There's a lot of that where it's just like, what do you want them to do? I mean, Ken Law,


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[Assistant] Shanahan's got a, you know, he's got a, he's got an eye. They haven't had great droughts in the past. I know, I know, I know. They got some damn


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[Assistant] Roster right now. Yes. They really do. And, you know, I haven't like, I'm not gonna lie, I haven't studied Womack all the way yet, okay, so he's one that I'm, I'm not gonna, he's like, just quick look test, looked pretty good, but I haven't like, looked at him like I did Buford.


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[Assistant] And Buford and Aaron Banks at guard, I mean that's going to be another thing that people don't talk about with the 49ers. Their interior line is, I think, got a chance to be better than it's been the last few years, which is scary because we know they can run the ball on just about anybody.


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[Assistant] Buford looks the part. Texas, San Antonio, killer, has the body I like. Nobody's going to be a mismatch for him. Excited about all of that for sure. Alright, so Pete, what are we at time wise here?


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[Assistant] Yes, a little bit. Olavi looked good, okay. Olavi looks skinnier and maybe smaller than I expected in the uniform, but man, his speed's real, his ability to stick the foot in the ground, the touchdown catch he had.


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[Assistant] You know, adjusting to that ball. That was not an easy ball to adjust to. It was really impressive. So, you know, you put him on the field with Jarvis and Michael Thomas, they got a good three. Devontae Wyatt, to me, looks like the real deal too. He can do everything.


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[Assistant] Then there's the Trevor Penning, the tackle, first rounder, right? Uh, Penning, you know, has a great looking body, is a killer in the run game, and wants to actually, I think, kill you when he is blocking you, like he literally wants to be like, you're dead, you no longer exist.


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[Assistant] Exactly, right. And he has that attitude. You see it. He's a mauler. But, pass protection, like,


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm a little, like, I'm more concerned with him than the other guys we've talked about. Evan, Neil, Icky, and Quanu, who I know have given up sax too.


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[Assistant] You know, those are things, again, I'm not going to over-evaluate it. Sure. I know our man at Thomas Paney, I want to know about that a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's my burner account. But, uh, I think that, you know, that hits on it and I know we gotta go cause we got other things going on here at NBC.


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[Assistant] And because of that, he stops his seat to brace for that. And then people even went around him too.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so again, it's a learning process. I don't think he's, I don't know if he'll start the year or not for sure. I think they got James Hurst to left tackle, if I remember correctly. We'll see where that goes. You know, but there is some positives, but yes, pass protection is going to be still kind of a learning curve for him. Meaty pod. A meaty pod. We got a lot of good lines.


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[Assistant] I'm excited to go up there and hang out with him for a little bit. And, uh, we'll see. We'll see. Uh, I don't know if we're no pod Wednesday and we're in the works of organizing and seeing if we can get Thursday pod. I hope we can do it, but we'll see where it goes.


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[Assistant] See you there. All right. You good? We're good. I think we're good. We're good. All right, everybody. I hope you enjoyed the pod. We did our best to kind of hit everything that was major around the NFL. That's preseason week two in the books. I know we got a little Falcon's Jets, Monday Night Football. Enjoy that. Uh, hopefully I can answer some of those things on Thursday if we do get the pod in. All right, everybody be good, be safe. Peace out. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] Well, I think the top three were pretty obvious and then.


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[Assistant] The way, uh, Chris talked about burrow, you could tell that he had a pretty good man crush on him. So I went ahead and put him in four spot. And then of course you talked about the Rogers decline as some of the other guys. So you knew he had to be a little bit lower this year. And so.


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[Assistant] Day after that, I just took what I thought Chris was going to do with, uh, Russ and Brady were the two tougher ones to get in that top eight with, uh, rating that. Cause I would have put Brady up, but.


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[Assistant] This is my mom's classroom. I work at a technology department during the summer for the high school that I used to go to and it's my mom's classroom that I had to run away to.


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[Assistant] Yes sir, I'm a Bears fan. Bears fan! Sorry no banner or lacquer from down here, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm excited, honestly, but it was a little bit of a rough day yesterday with ROKON asking for a trade, so that was a little bit rough to start the year, so. But if they win a handful of games, I'd be happy with that.


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[Assistant] Uh, probably, yeaah, right after, right before Stafford.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I can't remember which ones I put on my list out there, but I think I would have it Lamar and then Dax.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think you can't really get rid of Alan from that spot right there. I mean, my guy is really, uh, Herbert, cause I don't watch a whole lot of Buffalo Bills being down here, but.


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[Assistant] I really like to watch Herbert. I just haven't seen him win, as they say, the big game yet. So, we'll see how he continues to progress.


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[Assistant] They put it on TV. I like that. I like that. And I like this evolution in sports media kind of where we're not robots. We got into the sport because we were rooting for players and teams. I am a Detroit Lions fan reluctantly. Um, but I like that and we can show it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's a human being.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh. Oh, so I'm so glad you woke up. You and Pete working late into the night. You're both here.


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[Assistant] One in the morning. Um, but I am so pumped, uh, to talk about all these games. We'll talk about every one of these games. That is our promise to you, the homies out there. We're even going to hit on that Thursday game, which is almost like a no-no.


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[Assistant] Um, no, hopefully it'll be a little quicker than that, but we do want to get through all the storylines. And if you're new to the podcast.


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[Assistant] Uhm, welcome. Welcome. But what we try to do here is add a little perspective to what you've already seen. Right. And so you've probably already seen the highlights, you see the numbers, you see the stats, but we're gonna get into Chris's head.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna start with the big upsets. And we're gonna start with one of the most interesting games. Sometimes it was frustrating to watch. The Steelers with the upset of the Bengals in overtime, 23-20, almost one of those games where it seemed like neither team.


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[Assistant] I'm curious your thoughts on this when your big picture thought because there's so much that happened in this game. We could talk about this for an hour and a half.