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[Assistant] So we get to, we get to talk to the great Tony Dungy. We get some reaction. You came out with your, your eight quarterbacks. Eight. Top eight draftable quarterbacks. Yep. Out of the draft, you ranked them. I'm sure my, I'm sure the reaction was pleasant, as you know.


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[Assistant] We have 13 that questioned it. Okay. That's what Twitter is for. So we'll get to that later on. As you know, you can listen anywhere you listen to your podcast. You can watch us. We're actually here and you can see us, our mouths.


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[Assistant] We, uh, thank you for the comments so far. I've actually gotten a few comments on the podcast. We've only done it a couple times. Good. They've been very good. So we appreciate the comments and the reviews and the subscribes and stuff. Yep. Uh, keep that up. We'll keep, uh, We're gonna keep trucking along and getting to know each other and have fun and whatever else. Yeah. We'll grab a drink at some point. Yes. Maybe on air.


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[Assistant] But also with free agency. Coming. We got the flirtation period. Yeah. Coming right around the corner. It's coming. This is where teams can actually, you know, flirt. You can't sign the guy yet. Right, right. But you can say, hey, I admire you and I enjoy what you bring. What do you think of me? And then later on, a few days later, you can go, okay, let's get married.


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[Assistant] One time I was able to do it. No, I, no I wasn't. I was like, make me an offer. Let's not beat around the bush. Let's just make me an offer. So this period, I would not be very good with this period. Once it gets time to exchange numbers, then it's like, okay. Then you're a little bit better. Let's be serious. But, since we're not there yet,


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's some good memes out there. So yeah, P Davidson, very good at flirting, but we're going to, we're going to help. This is what we do. We're going to match some free agents up with some teams and we're going to make a match made in heaven that we think would be a match made in heaven. I don't know if they're going to become reality, but we think they should become reality.


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[Assistant] Outstanding player. Just always worried about any player that Bill Belichick doesn't want becoming a pumpkin. Just always worried about that. No doubt.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a little red gold, maybe white in the cleats because you like the white look. I do like, I'm trying to get the, you know, Kyle Shanahan to pass that along to Jed York. Team up. Right. With, uh, Richard Sherman. Right. Once again. Right.


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[Assistant] And you get to play your former team twice. Same thing with the Dolphins and Patriots. Right. Earl Thomas in the 49ers match made in heaven. I like that. I'm with you.


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[Assistant] Like you couldn't write a script as convoluted as that, but it makes for some interesting stuff. It does.


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[Assistant] I like just a personal standpoint, I think it would be super cool if he went to the Chiefs. I want to put every playmaker in the NFL, I want to put him on the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] They make a pretty good, good duo. You do think maybe a younger quarterback that could need that, you know, you could, there are a lot of young quarterbacks that there were four drafts in the top ten last year that could use that safety net of a levion belly pro to hand the ball.


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[Assistant] 2017 wasn't great for Lovebell. He set out a whole 2018. Yea, I hear you. And you gotta pay 50 million for him or more than that.


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[Assistant] Thanks for bringing that up though. Thank you very much. I'm trying to get you guys back together and back on, back on good terms once again. You know, it is interesting and I was reading something on Pro Football Focus about Landon Collins is that they feel like there's an opportunity for him to be more elite as a linebacker, playing more closer to the line of scrimmage.


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[Assistant] Maybe we traditionally grew up in that era. That is crazy. I mean, I'm like 185. I could have played offensive tackle in like the 1970s. Oh!


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[Assistant] In general. I have all about, I've always said, sports is better when you hate your opponent. That's why, it's way better. The evil, empire, anything. When you hate them, sports is way better. Well, yeah.


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[Assistant] Jett's rumored in on him. Yeah, okay. If I was to be a matchmaker? Yeah. Get him back together with his ex.


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[Assistant] You wanna see them reunite? Great offensive line. Super Bowl team. You got a good thing going. You're protecting a young quarterback. Keep it going.


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[Assistant] It is that time in the podcast where we get to welcome in a Super Bowl winning player and coach, all around good guy, star of football.


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[Assistant] Right, I mean, he's the star, he's the man. Tony Dungy also, we're gonna get to the football stuff, Tony, but first, he's also named the Grand Marshall for IndyCar Season Opener at the Firestone Grand Prix of St. Petersburg. I gotta ask you first, what goes into being the Grand Marshall of an IndyCar race?


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[Assistant] 180 would qualify. You've been a fan of IndyCar for a while. Your days in Indianapolis, the Indianapolis 500, which will be seen on NBC, uh, this year for the first time. So you've been a fan of it. So I wonder, have you ever done the gentleman start your engines before? Will this be the first time?


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[Assistant] There's a little sneak peek of what we're going to get. I like it. I like that. And now you do mention getting around the pace car and people think, you know, like you're in a pace car.


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[Assistant] That's safe. That's the safest place to be. But you did text one of our producers, Matt Casey. And you sent him a text that said the pace car crashes happen even to the best of drivers. So you're even in danger in the pace car.


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[Assistant] And then you figure out everything else after that. You figure out what to do with Josh Rosen. You know, having two good quarterbacks is not necessarily a bad problem.


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[Assistant] The question with Kyler was the height and the weight, right? And he comes in at 5'10", and you're like, Tony, that's like, oh, everything's fine now. He's at 5'10". He's not the most outgoing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and what you have to give up to get him as well and wondering if, if when he comes over to your team, if he's all of a sudden changing his tune and if he, if he is going to be that team player that you haven't seen, there are different pressures on players now. I mean, some of this has come out because Antonio.


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[Assistant] Brown has done the media tour. There's social media now and so there are just more avenues to share your deep thoughts on your team and a lot of times that's rewarded on social media. You get the likes, you get the retweets, you are a topic of conversation for a whole week


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[Assistant] Probably good for Antonio brand that we're talking about on this long, but maybe not for the player. Do you think it's just different for the player now with the media landscape, Tony, than maybe it was even five, 10 years ago?


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[Assistant] Yeah, important to get the guys on the team already to buy into it and important at this time where you're adding people to your family that you're, you're assessing the draft prospects, you're assessing free agents, free agency about to really go into full gear coming up here in just a few days. The flirting process will begin and, and coach, I'm curious on how


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[Assistant] You dealt with free agency. Actually, there was something very interesting that, uh, that Chris, when he was talking to Kyle Shanahan.


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[Assistant] Uhm, about the order of free agency and the draft. Sure. Kyle thought it makes it more difficult. He wishes that they could do the draft right now, get some of these young players and then go out and try to


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[Assistant] It's funny hearing coach talk about the dilemma for every team on free agents because you figure the best ones...


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[Assistant] Are not gonna be free agents. So you're not gonna get a chance at them.


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[Assistant] Let become free agents. All of a sudden that's a red flag. Why'd they let, why'd they let him get away? Maybe we don't want, we don't want him either. And it can come on the trade front as well. You got a guy like Odell Beckham Jr. for the Giants who they just locked up last year to a lucrative deal. And now we hear the rumors about


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[Assistant] About, uh, him possibly being on the, on the trade front. Don't quite know about the future plans for the Giants. If you were another coach or another GM.


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[Assistant] That heard that from the Giants. Would that be another red flag of why is this name perhaps being floated out there?


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[Assistant] And it could have gone, Tony, I was listening to an interview that you did, and it could have gone either way. I mean, it seems like Peyton Manning from the get-go was destined to be a great quarterback, top draft pick.


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[Assistant] But, I heard you talking about how you see some of the same things with Jameis Winston here. How early on, maybe you're not getting the success, and if you're not getting the success early on, sometimes you wonder, is that ever gonna happen? It could go either way. You see some of the same things with Jameis Winston that maybe you saw Peyton Manning dealing with early on.


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[Assistant] Tony Dungy, the great Tony Dungy. I love, I love hearing him talk. It just, it almost puts me at ease. I feel more confident about myself when I can hear Tony talk.


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[Assistant] He's not going to make me feel guilty enough to where I'm going to stop. I'll say that much. Uhm, Tony Dundee, great to catch up with him. I wish him luck at the IndyCar race to kick off the season for NBC, NBCSN. So you came out with your top 8 draft prospects after what you saw at the Combine.


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[Assistant] Along with game tape and everything in the back. Top 8. We have some reaction. Oh good, here we go. You guys out there listening and watching, tweet it in.


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[Assistant] Say keep it clean, but obviously that doesn't... Nah, that doesn't apply to this. Uh, NYD... Yep. ...said, uh, how is Dwayne Haskins not number one? And then Judge DeStanton, Stanton said this, LOL, there's no debate for Locke being better than Haskins. He just isn't.


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[Assistant] I don't want to do anything where I'm not fully prepared to talk about it. This is one thing I thought of too, and I did think you might be a little low on this one quarterback who a lot of people are higher on. How dare you question me? We just got the


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[Assistant] What the hell? And there are some people who think he's a first-rounder. You had him as number eight, I believe, on your list. Will Greer. Yes. Steve Bryan.


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[Assistant] Uh, life after Brady talking about Greer. Yup. He should, uh, you're too low on Greer. You're sleeping on Greer. And unwanted opinions with Nick and Jay said swap Finley and Greer. The rest of the list is pretty good.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright. We do, we do have a con- I do wanna give you one compliment. Oh, thanks a lot. Tom Siegel. Yep. The first reasonable ranking of Daniel Jones that I have seen all year. Another hater. You were a little lower on Jones than-


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[Assistant] Where do you think they're gonna go? And they're gone. Yeaah, I mean it's, the big stars are gone, you're right, in the first like six hours of free agency it seems like. Uhm, I, but I don't wanna let you go. Yeaah. Without, without asking you a couple things, not football. Okay. Uhm, cause at Syracuse we learned all the sports. Right. We do football, basketball, baseball. Such well rounded individuals you guys are. We try to do that lacrosse, even very good lacrosse program over there at Syracuse. Right.


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[Assistant] Uh, basketball, huge basketball program with Jim Bayheim over there. LeBron James. Oh baby. Here's trending topic. This is the trending topic portion of the show. Yeah. Uh, just past Michael Jordan on the all time.


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[Assistant] He's up to four now, still behind Kobe, but he passed the great Michael Jordan.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't want to have the debate who is better, Jordan or LeBron, because I'm hearing that people have had that debate. Oh, is that right? People have gone over that before. I mean, Jordan's better. I mean, are you on that camp? No, I didn't like Michael Jordan. I was not a Michael Jordan. I grew up in Michigan. Oh, because he crapped on your business all the time?


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[Assistant] Here's the, here's the crazy thing when I think about Michael Jordan. We've been talking about it and I'm, I'm 30, 39 years old and so I watched him play. His last year in Chicago, his last great year when he was still great. Right. Was 1998. Yeah. So it, and we were talking about how are you going to explain to your kids, like, oh the kids are going to say, oh who is better, Jordan or LeBron, Jordan or LeBron?


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[Assistant] You know, I think the cool thing about, you know, being in the Bay Area for the past five years was seeing Steph Curry and the rise of Steph Curry and kind of the same thing, how you said, ah, it's just an average looking guy who's an average size.


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[Assistant] Lebron is not that. Lebron is a freak of nature. He's just a big guy who could have played football and probably could have been very good at football, but he's got the athletic ability, he's got the agility.


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[Assistant] I have a hard time believing that if LeBron James didn't play back in the day that he wouldn't dominate. I'm just gonna say he can dominate at any level, any position, handle the ball.


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[Assistant] The things he did was almost beauty. It was poetry in motion at times and the confidence he had at the end of the game. They're just different players.


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[Assistant] And I think we've had so many great players in every sport throughout all the years, I think it degrades them to some extent to say, you're better, you're worse, you're not very good. They're just so different, but I've really enjoyed watching them both play. The next great one,


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[Assistant] Could be Zion Williamson out of Duke, although we haven't seen him play for a while. Blew out his Nike shoe and then had a little knee injury and is sat out. They got a big game this weekend. Final game of the regular season before the ACC tournament against North Carolina. You got number four versus number three, Duke versus North Carolina. Do you want to see Zion Williamson play in that game? Should he play again?


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[Assistant] But, you know, there's more than money to this whole thing, too, though. And you do hear, it was interesting, I heard DeMarcus Cousins talk about it, uhm, cause they were asking him, when he went down, like, would you not play, cause he played one year in college, so the NBA changed the rule and say 18 year olds can go back. Right.


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[Assistant] So we'll see what happens with Zion Williamson. We'll also see what happens with his flirting process in the NFL. Yep. I'm done flirting with you. I've had enough flirting with you this week. Talking about thighs and calves and spandex and yeah. Yep.


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[Assistant] Good, uh, good week. Good first week. Way to go, kid. We did it. You're the man. We got through it. Will there be a week number two? Yet to be determined.


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[Assistant] Nah, sometimes it'd be clickbait and then I had, he baited me cause I'm like, dang, I want to be myself. I don't want to be the next guy. You know, I look at myself as Lamar Jackson, not Tom Brady and this and that. I want the Super Bowls like Tom Brady, but I'm still myself. So that's why I responded. It was no hard feelings though. He doing his job.


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[Assistant] It's always important for the guy who came up with the stat to have the letters right that are used to describe- I'm trying to get there.


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[Assistant] PFTPM podcast and unbuttoned. It's a collaboration and me and Mike are wearing the same damn shirt if you're watching on YouTube, but mine's better. Yours has been through the wash too many times.


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[Assistant] With you and your awesome wife Jill, I mean it's enough work for her to have to deal with you, let alone have to deal with me.


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[Assistant] I can motivate through complaining sometimes or like almost just like, ah, and that's kind of what I do. I internalize it and just get pissed off and push through it.


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[Assistant] You know, I just think the big thing is he is such a special player, such a special personality, and he's been arguably, and I think you agree with this,


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[Assistant] That guy on the best team and the best franchise since the start of his career as well. So he is an epic piece of not only the New England Patriots.


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[Assistant] Uh, fabric, but also the NFL, and it's a historical combination. Brady to Gronkowski. And that's where, uh, you know, I will be sad to see it go, but I understand it with Gronkowski. I mean, come on, such a special guy, but he's


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[Assistant] If it is gonna come out this, it's good this week since we're taping a lot of this, so if it does come out while we're here at the hotel doing like the show, the actual pro football talk.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's crazy. I was surprised to hear that right off the bat. I just, you know, yes, New England does not seem that type of team to always accept that. Rob Gronkowski seems like a guy who's kind of all in, like either I play or I don't.


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[Assistant] Uh, so it is interesting to hear Drew throw that out. I do think Gronkowski would be one of the few people in the NFL or on the planet that New England would wiggle the rules for a little bit because of everything we just talked about.


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[Assistant] Not only has he been special part of that organization, but he's still special on the field. Like you said, the playoffs, I mean, they needed a big completion in the fourth quarter, uh, against the Rams and the Super Bowl. Who'd they go to? They went to Rob Gronkowski. Same thing in overtime for the Kansas city chief. So I still think with his size and his ability to move, he can be a mismatch problem.


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[Assistant] You know, the big thing I guess is going to be where's his body at? And I think that's really maybe where it happens. If he gets a week forward and goes,


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[Assistant] Okay, I feel real good right now. You know, maybe I, you know, come back and get a few weeks of practice underneath my belt and they unveil me week eight. I wouldn't be shocked.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with Jason Whitten. I am. I think when all is said and done,


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[Assistant] You know, it's another love. Jason Whitten, you know, is basically been unscathed compared to what Rob Gronkowski has done. It's just a different style of football. So I would go with Whitten there, even though I don't think it's going to be this huge statistical year for him either.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that would be the time of the year you get the itch, especially as that type of guy. I mean, you mentioned a lot, Mike. He was a different guy in the playoffs and where he was in the regular season. And I think it's like a little bit where you see, you know, you see that with veteran players in the NFL, you see it in the NBA as a sport where sometimes the guys coast through the regular season a little bit. I just, I know I need to get up to, you know,


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[Assistant] Uh, even though there might be more in the tank to push the limit a little bit.


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[Assistant] But then when you get to the playoffs, that's when guys can start to go, okay, there's no tomorrow. If we lose, I got nothing to save my body for. And of course it's playoff football with everybody watching the intensity, the money that's on the line, you know, all of those things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, bring the veteran players kind of maybe to a level that they hadn't reached all season long to where the playoffs they're capable of doing things that we saw them do in their prime, uh, because they've been measured out throughout the year.


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[Assistant] I do think this is a draft and I haven't worked my way down the long list of tight ends in the draft coming up yet.


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[Assistant] I will get to that point, but I do think there's some players there to be had. Now to say that they're going to be Rob Gronkowski, no, the only guy that's even similar or even somewhat comparable to that is the kid Hockinson from Iowa. But the rest of the group, Mike, is a lot of.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of Jordan Reed-ish, or let's say in New England terms, Aaron Hernandez. I know that's a bad name, I'm talking about the guy on the field, okay? There's a lot of that type of player at the tight end position. The kid Noah Phan, uh, from Iowa.


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[Assistant] That's who he reminds me of a lot of ways. It's a Jordan Reed, Aaron Hernandez type skill set where they have this quickness of a wide receiver, but yet a 245 pound frame that's different to be able to be that size to move that way. Uh, but I think that some of those, those two guys from Iowa, they're going to be gone. New England's going to have to make a move if they want one of those, uh, in the first round at least.


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[Assistant] You know, and the tight end is, it's something they believe in, in that offense. You know, Bill Belichick, let's not forget, he came from the New York Giants with Bill Parcells and Mark Bovaro and Zeke Moad. You know, so the fiber of his teams usually, uh, have a tight end. Even the early years before Gronkowski, let's not forget, you know, it was Ben Watson, right?


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[Assistant] Daniel Graham out of Colorado was, so it is something they've always valued that position. Why? Because it makes them more multiple. When you gotta play the New England Patriots and there's a tight end on the field that can do a little bit of both.


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[Assistant] Well, I see people I know too, so if I end up shouting out people that go by, like I just saw a few people in that group there, there were some wives of head coaches there that I wanted to say hello to, but I refrained at this time, but you're being professional for a change, being professional for a little bit, at least for, for now.


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[Assistant] There's times where I go through the comments, not that I really wanna know what every person is saying, but-


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[Assistant] It stirs up conversation. I think that's why you and me work together. Cause we talk things out sometimes like, Oh, I haven't thought of that. And you go, Whoa, you're not a dumb football player. You made a good point today actually. And that's where we have fun.


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[Assistant] That's exactly right. I think that, and the other point I saw you wrote in the article about, for all those out there listening, we're talking about the 4th and 15 being the replacement for the onside kick right now. And that whole jump off there. But you made the other point too, that the statistics for what they say the conversion rates are for 4th and 15 right now.


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[Assistant] I do, I do want that. I also worry about 4th and 15. Oh, roughing the passer or a pass interference that was very judgmental type of call and all of a sudden the team gets a first down. I don't want the team that's far behind and has been dominated.


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[Assistant] I see, uhm, you know, uh, what's his name, the actor, I mean, he's the director of movies. Ron Howard. Ron Howard. I see him around town. Funny story just off of this, I went and saw a dog's way home.


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[Assistant] So, so I want to piggyback off that a little bit now with the Antonio Brown thing. Okay, so now you know it's time to move on from Pittsburgh. This is where, first of all, I'm amazed by your, players love you. I just, I want to tell the audience that because I've been, I've played with Morin Saab. He loved you. Anybody I've ever been around?


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[Assistant] With like Antonio Brown, we're sitting here doing TV shows going, man, the stuff he's doing on social media, uh, it might be hurting his trade value or his ability to get on with it. How much do you get into people's lives that way to steer them in the right direction?


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[Assistant] Ultimately, do you think it was just his body being beaten to hell that said enough is enough? I think so.


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[Assistant] So I gotta ask you this question, just because, like I stated earlier, you're so loved by your clients, and you've had some real personalities. I have. Okay, so whether it was Warren Sapp who I got to experience in person, uh,


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[Assistant] Who, who is, who was the craziest personality of all, where you just look back at it and go, oh my gosh, that was fun, a handful, all of it.


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[Assistant] No question. He is not scared to make those type of moves. I guess I was this. First of all, when I heard that news that he was maybe there was trade talks, I was shocked.


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[Assistant] Maybe did they say something like that just so he doesn't ask for too much money in contract talks?


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[Assistant] I mean really, where does he rank in the pantheon of like all time Boston sports heroes? He's a, he's really up there. I mean, I know he's not Brady or bird or Ted Williams, but he's like that next group down maybe with like big poppy and Pedro Martinez of these legends.


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[Assistant] Right, they're in the upper class. Brady Bird, you know, Ted Williams, maybe Bobby Orr, that's like the upper classes. Gronkowski, I'd be interested to know from the New England fans, is he in that conversation or is he the next group down? Probably the next group down. I would think so too.


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[Assistant] First play of the game, Mike, he breaks through the line of scrimmage, slams Curtis Martin to the floor and took a, you know, I want to say, what is it? A karate bow, put the hands together and bowed the place went electric.


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[Assistant] He gave me a headband at the week after the Super Bowl. I was being a pain in the ass six year old.


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[Assistant] What about some of the nitwits we got right here? Who jumps to your mind with like lovable personalities? Casey, you got anybody that comes to your mind? Anybody else that we're missing? Like Terry Bradshaw actually for a quarterback was kind of that way. Like where it was like, you know, I'm not trying to, you know, for lack of a better phrase, it's kind of like, uh, goofy, uh, didn't take them all that seriously.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly right. It almost shows us the true colors there. But yeah, and again, do I think the Giants, if all things go right and yeah, Saquon and the O-line are improved, can they still win games with Eli Manning? Sure.


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[Assistant] You know, Eli Manning's at a point of his career where he's not going to be able to hold it together with just him dropping back to pass 40 times a game and keeping the team in the game that way.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think it matters either. Uh, you know, we can go through the, the, the test of, or the, the history of time and go through a lot of


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[Assistant] I think that's spot on. That sounds like a smart longhorn right there. I like it. Let alone, I know we talked a little bit at the stop top of the show.


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[Assistant] 4th and 15 is going to change when teams know this is a part of the game. So whatever the conversion rates are for now at 4th and 15, which I would imagine are very low.


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[Assistant] Okay, now their defense is on the field for a 10 play drive, playing a prevent defense. The team scores to make it 17-10. They're exhausted, they've dominated the game, but now they gotta go back out on the fourth and 15, and


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[Assistant] Like 4th and 20, you think that's too much? 4th and 25? You know, how about, what was the Freddie Mitchell?


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[Assistant] Okay, let's just say, you know, we see those scuffles that break out during a game a lot of times, right? And we don't really know what happens, what started this scuffle, whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what? I got no problem with the NFL finding that and going, Hey, you know, you know, Johnny safety over there just took a cheap shot, like an asshole. And now we got to kick them out of the game. I kind of like that, you know, for Leonard Fournette last year running across the field and doing that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, I, I'm not, I'm not opposed to that. I guess what I worry about in those ones, what, what you do by running them off in the heat of the moment is you stop the potential for another cheap shot later down the road in retaliation or something like that. I mean, there is a point where it has to happen.


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[Assistant] It's almost 50-50 of whether that fourth guy gets drafted, at least in my eyes, but hey, whether that's a Ryan Finley or something, or maybe Daniel Jones, who I'm not real high on, I don't know why he's in that.


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[Assistant] Uh, regardless, yeaah, I, I wouldn't be shocked. I hear you there. I mean, whether it's the New England Patriots. Hey, you know, another team we forgot to talk about sometimes too, with maybe looking at the old quarterback. Let's get somebody in there. The Los Angeles Chargers. You know, I wouldn't be shocked if they made a play maybe for the future here, realizing that Philip Rivers might be coming down in the last year or two.


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[Assistant] Oh, well, uh, you know, the receiving classes, it's impressive. Now I think the guy that I like a lot, I mean, Hey, the kid from Ole Miss, as you know, uh, DK Metcalf is a freak show.


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[Assistant] Uh, the guy I'm in love with that I got my man crush on and he could be there when the Packers are picking one of their two first round picks would be Paris Campbell from Ohio state. He is a guy I look at that, you know,


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[Assistant] Uh, and I think he's got really room to grow as a player, but he'd be a guy I'd look at and go, ooh, he'd fit that system, what they want to do.


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[Assistant] Good to be here, guys. Doing well, hustling. You're right. You know, for me, uh, I'm here trying to chase down the teams. At the combine, they're chasing you. Right. For, you know, the guys that they want to sign right out of the gate.


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[Assistant] Here now you're chasing the general manager and head coaches to talk to them about draft and things like that. Your free agents who haven't been signed yet. We're in the second wave. Yep. And of course the draft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. Spent a lot of time with, well, I've known Coach Gruden for years. Warren Sapp's one of our retired clients. So Coach Gruden has been working with our guys for decades. But Mike Mayock, this was my first dealings with Mike as a general manager.


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[Assistant] Uh, but the Raiders, there, a lot of the people behind the scenes, like Tom Delaney, he runs their salary cap. He's been there as long as I can remember. So I've had a long relationship with Mark Davis, Al Davis. This is my 31st year. So a lot of the people in the building have been there for a while.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, Antonio had nine great years there, guys. And when we met with the Steelers, uhm, in West Palm Beach, we met with the owner, Mr. Rooney, and we met with Kevin Colbert, Omar Khan, the GM and assistant GM. We just decided after hearing Antonio out that


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[Assistant] It was best for him to move on. I think the Steelers bought into the notion that it would be best for everybody if he was traded. It really wasn't a process of us just


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[Assistant] Forcing them to do it, we explained our position, and you know, not everybody agreed with the approach, but at the same time there were a lot of discussions going on behind the scenes that were very cordial.


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[Assistant] Antonio's meeting with them was very positive. He and Mr. Rooney, they hugged and agreed that it would be time to move on. That it was nine great years, but a change of scenery would be best. You know, his relationship with Ben obviously was not the best. The relationship with


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[Assistant] Coach Tomlin unfortunately was not at an all time high. Right. And it made sense for both sides to get going.


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[Assistant] Uhm, in, you know, going all the way back to Terrell's, it was a little more one-sided at that point.


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[Assistant] Now, I shared with Antonio my thoughts that I thought


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[Assistant] A lot of this was very emotional for him. He wanted to play in that last game very badly.


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[Assistant] He wasn't able to do that. The team decided not to. Uhm, he was hurt by some of the comments that came out within the organization about his conduct that week and whether he gave up on the team, etc. So a lot of this was pure emotion from him.


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[Assistant] You know, again, you support your clients as much as you can. You try and guide them, but it all worked out in the end. You know, I mean, he's very happy. Hopefully the Steelers are happy to move on and put that behind them. They got a couple of draft picks. They've drafted really well in the past.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I've heard Kevin Colbert make, you know, a statement when people talk about, wow, a third and a fifth.


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[Assistant] You know, but he made the comment recently, hey, that fifth could turn out to be the next Antonio Brown. Antonio was drafted in the sixth. You never know. They've done a great job at the draft.


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[Assistant] So we're neighbors and we, we, uh, we got together quite a bit and kind of talked through this. It wasn't easy. It was very painful for him because he loved this time at Pittsburgh and it was a painful divorce for both sides.


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[Assistant] This wasn't something that we went into the last game and said, you're never gonna play for the Steelers again.


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[Assistant] This just happened. This wasn't a long time coming. This was something that really blew up at the end of the season and led to the parting of ways.


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[Assistant] I thought he was gonna come back. Uh, I really thought he was gonna come back. I remember talking to the Patriots and telling them I'm pretty sure he's coming back. Wow. That was just my, that was just my guess because


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[Assistant] You know, Rob loves to play the game, you know, and he finished the season so strong and he was healthy. At the end of the year, he got a quad injury in the Super Bowl, but he was relatively healthy and it was great to see him get back to playing that way. So I thought he would come back.


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[Assistant] But as the time went by and, you know, I'm talking to the Patriots and they're wanting to know what he was gonna do. And I called Rob this week. I said, Rob, I think it, you know, I'm not trying to pressure you, but I think it would be great.


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[Assistant] To let them know. Right. So they can plan. Right. Accordingly because you'd be a big loss. And Rob's response at that time was very lukewarm.


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[Assistant] It wasn't like, ah, you know, I'm leaning one way or the other. So that's when I had a feeling. And, but it wasn't until he called me yesterday.


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[Assistant] These nine years have been extraordinary with him. There's only one Rob Gronkowski. So I was clinging to that. So I was like, Rob, are you sure? Is there anything I can do? Can I call the team? Can I talk to them about you taking the off season off, maybe taking it easy on you in training camp?


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[Assistant] He said, nah Drew, this is it. You know, I've really, I've thought it through and I'm ready for something else. I've had enough of football.


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[Assistant] I think last year what people don't realize is Rob played with an Achilles injury. He had a calf injury. He had a quad. He had a bulging disc. He's had three back surgeries. He had a bulging disc. I was worried that would lead to a fourth surgery.


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[Assistant] And for a lot of the season, he wasn't himself. And I think Rob is accustomed at playing at such a extraordinary level.


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[Assistant] I don't think it was very comfortable for him to play at a level that wasn't up to his standards, and so I think that was tough.


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[Assistant] I did, yeaah, and the team was very open to the concept of working with him. Right. And we got together with Coach Belichick last offseason to try and adjust some things to make it work for Rob. Uh, cause Rob considered walking away this time last year.


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[Assistant] Well said. That's a good point. It was at this time last year I was meeting with the team.


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[Assistant] The time's right. You know, and he doesn't have any set plans. There's going to be a lot of opportunities for him, whether it's a studio host, whether it's a sideline guy, uh, a la Anthony Suragusa, what he used to do, fun stuff. The Terminator, that's what we're calling for. We put up all the lines.


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[Assistant] You know, he walked away from 10 million dollars. You know, he walked away from 10 million. The, the Patriots obviously wanted him back. You know, that was never a question. I'm just glad that he was in that position. You know, what a credit to him. A lot of guys that I have.


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[Assistant] They play forever because they, you know, they can't afford to walk away from that. Right. Thank God Rob has so many options that he can.


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[Assistant] No, he hasn't been married, he doesn't have any kids, and he's lived within his means, he really has, you know, I think he's had the same vehicle, he's never been an extravagant guy, not with jewelry, clothing, you know, he's really lived within his means, I gotta give his parents a lot of credit, and he's got older brothers that looked out for him too.


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[Assistant] Shocking, yeaah. I'm not shocked. Was definitely one, but it had, you'd have to give it to Rob. Yeah, you give it to Rob. Rob was definitely the, the...


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[Assistant] This guy went through a lot. And that's what I'll remember most about Rob, the joy, the great personality, but also the toughness, their perseverance. This wasn't a walk in the park for him. I mean, he battled, what are we talking about? Nine surgeries?


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[Assistant] And Rob was a blue collar guy. He never complained once about blocking. He would take on defensive vans. He would do all the dirty work.


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[Assistant] He was never a guy that was just all about. He never called me once and said, man, I'm not getting any catches. They're not throwing the ball to me. Never, not in his entire career. He would go a whole game of blocking. He would never, he wouldn't have a different attitude as long as the team won.


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[Assistant] Me more so than him. And I mean, you know, we did Rob's contract after a second year. It was very unique what the Patriots did. And he wasn't Rob Gronkowski, the Hall of Famer, after a second year. But we got a very lucrative extension, but we were always chasing the next contract because he was the best player.


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[Assistant] One year we got the Patriots to move money up. Every other year we got them to add incentives, just like last year. So it seemed like I was perpetually renegotiating Rob's contract with the, with the Patriots, but they were great to work with. I mean.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, we've specifically stayed away from any kind of statement because it is a pending investigation. Uhm, so really that's probably the best thing for me to do is to continue just not to say anything until uhm, that clarifies itself.


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[Assistant] No, absolutely not. I met with the team at the combine. We were talking about a contract extension for him and I never heard anything about a trade. Uh, Jay's really plugged in and


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[Assistant] He nailed the Odell Beckham, so I was surprised to hear him say that, but I never heard a single, uh, rumbling about that. In fact, in talking to the team, all I ever heard was he was a building block that they planned on committing to and getting a contract extension for.


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[Assistant] The only, I'm not even really worried what you think about me, okay? Because I think you like me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, you know, I guess, and the other thing to add to what Andy Reid has done, or does, he is, we talked about how good Andy Reid is at picking at offensive linemen, his history with receivers is not bad either, uh, whether it was in Philadelphia or in Kansas City. Also lost Chris Conley in free agency, he goes to the Jacksonville Jaguars.


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[Assistant] Few weeks ago, it sounds like they were shopping Tyree Kill. Jay Glazer, for him to say this, he obviously has some information about the situation in general. But it's gotta be about money for me. And now, of course, with the...


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[Assistant] But just from me, uh, as a follower of football, it just seems like he's a guy that's asking for some astronomical type of contract, and they were like, whoa, that's ridiculous. We might trade you, get some assets, and we'll figure out a new way to build the receiver position through the draft.


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[Assistant] Or the Redskins did with Ruben Foster, which doesn't seem right, honestly, once like proven innocent that they can reap the benefits of all that. If he did this, if he's


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[Assistant] I'm with you there, totally, banishment. If this, the allegations or anything comes up true from that standpoint. I mean, just from this, this is another thing. Can you imagine if Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr., and Tyreek Hill were all traded in the same offseason? That's mind blowing to me there right off the bat. The other thing is, I mean,


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[Assistant] Tyree kill Patrick Mahomes has the chance to be like one of the most special combinations in the history of football.


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[Assistant] That's where I look at all these things, the trade rumors, the off the field issues, where it just could be disruptive. And I don't know if, you know, the value of Tyree Kill and what he's done for the Kansas City Chiefs can be truly quantified over the last few years. Cause it's not just about yards and catches. You and I have talked about this a lot. It's his, his scarability.


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[Assistant] There's three people running deep with Tyreek Hill, and they're worried about the 70 yard bomb over the post. And yea, those don't go in the stat book, but they're very important things to what he does for the team.


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[Assistant] Uh, it really was. I mean, Haskins has a special big time arm. And his ability, uh, to kind of show that he was in shape and an athlete, showed that he's a little more twitchy, it was impressive. So I don't think we can overlook that. And his combine performance was horrible. So this kind of thing, where you, to your point, uh, Ahmed, is that


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[Assistant] Did I just say that right there? Good, okay. That, that you said it's not always important, well in this instance it was important because I think if he went and had another pro day added to the bad combine, people would have been like, oh crap, watch out. But as far as the raider stuff, I don't know how you feel about this Mr. Florio.


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[Assistant] I think it is total bullshit. Smoke screen.


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[Assistant] I don't buy it. I just don't. Just the way it was said by Mike Mayock and everything, I think they're trying to drive up interest at pick number four for somebody to go up there and get a quarterback, whether that's the Giants or whoever it may be, to acquire maybe one more first round pick, uh, this year in the draft.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, Jermarcus was special. I mean, as long as he didn't have to actually play quarterback and he could just throw it, he was pretty amazing that way. But yeah, I mean, there was a lot of other issues to go along with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're right, it wasn't overly crazy, but the fact that they're a number four and they have Derek Carr, who they're paying 25 million plus two, and they've told us he's a franchise guy, and all that stuff. He told us he was a franchise guy.


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[Assistant] Are you just, well that's insane, okay? Why? Whoever's thinking that he could sneak into the end of the first round, I mean, well maybe Mike Florio's wishing that'll happen, cause it's his West Virginia homeboy there, but no. Is that true? Will Greer, Will Greer is not in the stratosphere of the big three, let's say. Definitely not in Kylo Murray's stratosphere, and not Drew Locke or Dwayne Haskins either.


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[Assistant] There's things to like about Will Greer, but I really think he is a middle of the draft type of talent.


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[Assistant] But either way, I feel very confident in that stance. Uh, I think he's viewed pretty much throughout the league along that way. Doesn't mean he can't develop a little bit more and prove some of the things he has throwing the football. But yes, as for my breakdown, things I've seen on film, no, he does not classify as the end of the first round of talent.


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[Assistant] They do. Uh, the Bengals do have 40 seconds. Somebody just confirmed in my ear. So that's good. But either way with the New England Patriots, hey, listen, they tried to find the replacement a few years ago. You know, when Tom Brady wasn't


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[Assistant] Uh, they thought, okay, this, the time might be coming, let's draft a Jimmy Garoppolo. Then really, Brady kinda had a resurgence, and has played better the last few years, I would argue, than he did in the years of 2011, 12, and 13.


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[Assistant] I don't think he deflated the footballs. Of course he did. I mean, that's not even a debate. I mean, the balls were deflated and the colts weren't. So that just says it right there. But either way, that's a subject for another time. Yeah, we'll hash this out one of these days. There's a lot of other things I can go into that subject.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's a Will Greer, just so you know, just to hammer that home down one more time. You have him 8th. You have Will Greer 8th. Ryan Finley, I think, could be in that discussion. You know, you know I like Jared Stidham a little bit. I'm not sure if he's totally their guy. You know, the other guy that you gotta watch out for is Clayton Thorson. When you go back and watch his, like,


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[Assistant] I'm not like crazy with this, I think it is very close.


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[Assistant] Uh, is a natural slinger, thrower of the football. You know, a guy that I would say is a lot like a Patrick Mahomes or an Aaron Rodgers where you just go, man, the guy was put on earth to just sling the ball around the field. Now, when it came to his pro day today, which I watched pretty closely, we were in a meeting, but I had it on my computer. I was live streaming it, watching it.


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[Assistant] I did not think it was the best workout I've ever seen. I mean honestly, you know, I don't want to say concerning, but some, there was things I saw that will make me go back and do another dive just to go.


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[Assistant] You know, do I see more of this than what I see in the workout? Like what exactly can stick out of it? Yeah. Well, okay. The first thing is, technically the first thing I did not like, he lets his front shoulder get open. I taught you about the front shoulder, right? The combine, right? So I'm just going to stand up real quick. Okay. I'm a lefty. Okay. So everybody, but if I was to throw the ball here,


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[Assistant] Okay, I wanna be here and then turn into the throat and gear up the throat.


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[Assistant] Too many times he stayed open like this. Okay, when you do that, you're just not going to create power. He missed some throws in the workout and threw some wobblers that


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[Assistant] I didn't really see him throw on film. I think he tried to be a little too technical. I think honestly maybe he got coached to go be a little bit more over the top or more traditional where he is a little bit more slingy sidearmish looking three quarter like a Mahomes or a Stafford. I would say to anybody who's coaching out there, don't. He's a natural what he does. Kyler Murray


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[Assistant] Is gonna be in the NFL, and even if he went to his highest point, it's not gonna be at the same point where Drew Locke throws the ball at three quarters, if that makes sense to you. But either way, I did not think it was a great workout for Locke.


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[Assistant] I think there is definitely something to that. If you break him down on film, there's some rawness to his...


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[Assistant] Uh, game, uh, you know, it's not always the perfect feet, the perfect upper body position. He's a very good athlete. He's amazing at throwing with people around him, just like Dwayne Haskins. He's fearless in the pocket. He can throw, uh, off his back foot. He can throw, falling away, running to his left, fading away, but yeah.


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[Assistant] When people see that there's little things to work on and get better, a lot of the times it makes them feel better because they go, oh no, there's, there's areas to grow here. I can fix this aspect of his game. Just like a great defense. Let me ask you this though.


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[Assistant] It takes 2500 reps, alright, something along those lines to start making it an actual memorized, uh, learned body function.


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[Assistant] You've got all those guys chasing you around. You don't slip back into everything you've always done. You could, if you're not really concise about starting pretty quickly after the season's over. So by the time you get to August or July in training camp, now when you revert to, I'm just gonna go play football.


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[Assistant] The new motion you had or the tweaks you have will stand the test of time. Feels like it's gonna take more than 2500 reps to do that. Yea, it might, it might be 25, but I think that's the base thing to learn the new motor function, the 2500 something throws. But either way, you can change those type of things. The one thing you can change is like arm angle, right? And this is something I saw with Drew Lock today.


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[Assistant] All the great quarterbacks, their arm angle never changes from this right here. You know, they might throw with sidearm, but the angle never breaks of the arm. Rogers, Brady, you go through the list, all the best throwers do that. What Tim Tebow used to do, is he would let it break like this.


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[Assistant] And it's just not always easy to match it up perfectly back at the release point and the perfect spot every time when you've let it go like this. It's like a golfer who will just like, oh, I'm going to swing it around and go back to the perfect point every time. No, you're not. There's a technique to keep it in that same sweet spot all the time.


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[Assistant] He's giving the team a clue. He's getting ready to throw it. Exactly right. So, but that is something I saw with Drew Locke today. Locke is usually very good, tight. I thought he tried to be too quarterback mechanical and I'm gonna throw it over the top. And within doing that, he let his arm angle break a little bit. But yes, you can fix some of these things. There's not a lot of people in football that know diddly shit.


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[Assistant] About throwing the football though. That's the other thing that people don't realize. I was never taught one thing.


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[Assistant] No, well, no, I think the majority of them really don't know. Again, I'll go back to like what Gary Player is. You beat me on, you beat me in 18 holes, then I'll listen to some advice and techniques you got. You know, a lot of the times these quarterback coaches, they can't throw themselves. So how the hell are you going to teach me something to throw when you can't throw at all yourself? That is what I would say there. Real quick, do you still have them above?


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[Assistant] Yes, but it is very close. It's again, like I told you, I will go back and do a re-ranking where I have acquired even more film.


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[Assistant] I'll make a final determination here in the next week or two, but I think it is close.


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[Assistant] That was what I was gonna ask you. I'm embarrassed to say this. You don't know any of their songs? No, I don't know any of their songs. You don't know rock and roll all night? You might have to say...


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[Assistant] Oh, he saves my butt on this show daily. Like, when we start getting into CBA talks and lawyer talk and legal issues, I literally have to just interview him and shut up and be like, what does this mean? Like, I don't even understand it. Well, he saved me at the top of


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[Assistant] Oh, I know. He's so worried. Like, it just tells you about the respect factor in the NFL locker room right there. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, I'm so freaking strong, I can throw a 30 pound medicine ball really fast from 10 yards away. I mean, again.


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[Assistant] This goes into NFL defense alignment. They're the type of people you just don't even want to mess around. You know how I like to hit you and mess around like that? You can't even play those games with NFL defense alignment. Cause when they hit you back, you're like, oh, okay, forget it. That hurts.


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[Assistant] But they're freaky. I played with a guy...


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[Assistant] Uhm, in uh, Casey Hampton at the University of Texas, some of the things I saw in a weight room at times, he power cleaned


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[Assistant] 420 pounds one day to break the school record and not only was that impressive, but he got so excited that we were all watching him and that he broke this that he then went from the power clean and started to press it over his head and almost locked out.


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[Assistant] So, that just tells you, I've just given you some of the freak of nature things I have seen in my life. Let alone, let me just tell you something about Brandon Marshall. I mean, you wanna talk about a freak of nature in his own right too, at the wide receiver position. First time I'm playing with him in Denver Broncos. Brandon Marshall is one of those guys, and I don't know if you've ever seen him in person. I have now. But if you saw him in person, you'd go,


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[Assistant] Holy crap, you're Brandon Marshall? Like, no wonder nobody could tackle you all these years.


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[Assistant] Most guys go in and warm up with like 135 pounds, right? Which is like if you're gonna bench press. The bar is 45 pounds, the two plates are 45 pounds. Let's just start there and get things moving.


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[Assistant] Brandon Marshall at like a 225 pound receiver would come in the weight room and just throw 225 on right off the bat.


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[Assistant] Like what people are working out at the combine with and just be like, all right, I'm going to get loose guys. Oh yeah. Okay. And he just warm up. He would be bouncing it off his chest and having a conversation. What do you think about that play today? And I was sitting, I'd be sitting there like spotting them, not having to do anything like, is this guy kidding me? Like I just, but it goes, I'm going to start my workout.


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[Assistant] I've been around some punters who are, are phenomenal athletes. The Colquitt brothers, uh, Dustin and Britton. I mean, I was with Britton in Denver. He's one of the better athletes on the football team. I played with a Tom Tupo back in the day with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who could dunk.


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[Assistant] Could throw a football 80 yards. I mean, they're not just like kickers or you know, some wussies that are just out there because they can kick. A lot of them are very good athletes. That was really impressive. Now I don't know if all those bench press reps


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[Assistant] I don't know if there was full lockout there, but either way, you know I'm a stickler. Yes, I'm not going to give him a free pass, okay? Because there could be bounce on the back end. Could have been bounce on the back end, and it looked like a lot of them were like here instead of here, right?


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[Assistant] I don't think he knows this either. This is why I wanted to bring this up on the podcast, because nobody seems to know the details of it. Only thing I can say is this.


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[Assistant] With a guy like Tyrone Crawford, who I've seen in person many times, you better have, uh, a freaking horde of men to take him on. Yes. Cause the normal man walking around the streets,


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[Assistant] Is not gonna take on Tyrone Crawford. Uh, 6'4", 285, 290. I believe it was three guys he was involved with in this fight.


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[Assistant] Maybe he did something where they tried to get him out there, but I'm just telling the public or anybody out there.


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[Assistant] You know, beware fighting an NFL football player. It's not fun. No, beware. I mean, you know, a lot of football players, they live for physical contact. They actually are getting paid for it. So they're not going to be too concerned about getting in a fight. And especially a guy like Tyrone Crawford, who is built like a tree trunk. And I mean,


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[Assistant] I almost got into a fight once in the locker room. Dave Ball, at the Tennessee Titans. He was throwing snowballs around the locker room. He almost gave somebody like a concussion. He almost hit somebody in the head, and I yelled like, F you, stop doing that shit, let's like get ready for practice. He wanted to fight me, right?


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[Assistant] I saw Sean Rogers, another defensive tackle I played with at the University of Texas. A huge man.


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[Assistant] Six-four, 325, 330 pounds. We're at the club in Austin, Texas one night, okay?


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[Assistant] I'm standing, I'm, I'm viewing this. I'm on like a balcony watching a few of my friends who are just a few feet below me.


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[Assistant] Some girl comes and talks to Sean Rogers, and he talks to her and he's a really polite, good guy. He's not a fighter, he wasn't a mean guy, he's not like that. But he talks to her, she walks away. Few minutes later, the boyfriend comes over.


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[Assistant] Sean tries to defuse the, like, I'm sorry, she came and talked to me, blah blah blah, you know, sorry. And the guy walked away. But then a few minutes later, he walked back.


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[Assistant] And got in his face. And I mean, was egging the fight on. To where he gives him a little shove.


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[Assistant] And Sean Rogers, who was a lefty, he cocks back with his left arm, and he connected, and I'm telling you, we saw like video game. I was on the balcony, the guy literally flew like 10 feet in the air. Right.


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[Assistant] And what happens when it's all said and done? Sean Rogers is the one that gets in trouble with the police, even though he tried to defuse the situation.


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[Assistant] This guy was tough guy who got beer muscles. Right. And I wanted to go, no, you need more than beer muscles. You need like, you need an army of guys with you as well to take on this one.


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[Assistant] You got a little flack before for the browns. Okay, okay. I gotcha. Okay. Uhm. But that's alright. I'm not surprised by those results right there. We might have had the Steelers a little too low too. I might have had them there.


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[Assistant] Other than that, no, I understand these. Hey, again, listen, these aren't power rankings for this season. This was like basically a power ranking bracket to have fun after free agency, reevaluate where teams are, uh, and I hope people will continue to vote and kind of interact with this whole thing. It'll be fun.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, and again, I mean, where they are right now, I don't know, you know, again, in a head-to-head matchup with the Chargers, we're still going to pick the Chargers to beat them, but I don't know where they would have matched up. Okay, so that's the AFC. Are we going over to the NSD too?


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[Assistant] Am I really that crazy there? And then they added guys like Malik Jackson, Deshaun Jackson, uh, you know, re-signed Brandon Graham.


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[Assistant] Uhm, who else? Vinny Curry? Sounds like they're gonna re-sign him today. So, no, I tried to be realistic about what the team was and infusing some of the things that have gone on through free agency. Am I perfect? Certainly not. I know I took a lot of flack from some of my friends about having the Bears won. But again, I think the Rams have lost a few players. They lost Roger Staffold.


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[Assistant] I wish Florio was here for that because he loves the Vikings, but I would think we have a pretty strong, like, Bay Area following. I mean, between you, I know Kyle Shanahan, I mean, I know Gruden, so I would hope the Bay Area would go like, hey, Chris might


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[Assistant] I honestly did not do a bracket. Can you believe that? I actually might do it when I still go home because I don't know any results yet other than one game I know. I know Louisville lost. That's the only thing I've seen.


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[Assistant] Michigan, Michigan State. I mean, Michigan, Michigan State. I do like their style play. I always root for Tom Izzo. I just like him as a head coach. I think I'm actually, and I can't even believe I'm about to say this.


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[Assistant] Barrett's really good. I mean, he sounds like he's gonna be. And everybody keeps saying there's no depth to their team. So it doesn't sound like they're really a favorite. It's like these stars are gonna have to ball out to win, which I actually kinda like.


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[Assistant] It does seem that way, but when I listen to Jay Billis, he's always like,


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[Assistant] The two stars need help. And I listen to Jay when it comes to college basketball and he's like, there's not enough help. There's too much pressure on those two. So I don't know if they're actually the favorites like in the, in the basketball per, uh, what do I want to say? Professional or?


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[Assistant] Those are, those are, those are, there's definitely some upset. I mean, hey, the Cowboys, we saw them beat the Saints, uh, during the regular season. You know, they haven't done a whole lot in free agency there, but hey, either way, we just want people to be involved. Feel free to continue to call me an idiot or stupid for my rankings. Or, uhm, that way, either way, so we're good.


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[Assistant] Hey, Chris Sims on Button, thanks for helping out today, man. At CSimsQB, Chris is tweeting himself.


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[Assistant] That is himself tweeting. Got people helping me too. I need help, okay? But at sims unbuttoned on Instagram.


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[Assistant] If you want to watch the show, youtube.com, nbc, slash nbc sports, please check it out. Me and Ahmed, Ahmed, are having a good time. I'm choking it off, but have a good weekend everybody. See Sims saying, peace out, I'm outta here.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] Number six in the most controversial moments in sports history, the 1981 Underarm Cricket incident. Still gets me mad!


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[Assistant] Yeah, you were not on board with that, but I'm telling you, if you go back and look at it, New Zealand, Australia, some guy bolded under...


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[Assistant] We'll talk to him and he'll be part of today's podcast, which is all about the listeners and the viewers and questions. Ask me anything. Have you done those before? I have done them, but I don't. We've done mailbag where they ask us, but this is like anything.


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[Assistant] That's actually really fitting to me. I can hear you again. Good. Uh, before we get into the AMA real quick, uh, there is some news and we're going to point one out because you called this your, uh, Nostra Simzes. Oh, thank you.


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[Assistant] Real quick before we get into the AMA as well. Champions League, you're a soccer guy. I do, I pay attention a little bit, definitely. Liverpool in the Champions League final. Right. Big comeback versus Barcelona. Tottenham. Amazing. Lucas Moura with the hat trick. Last one scored in extra time against Ajax. So they're into the


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[Assistant] They're into the Champions League finals, so good stories for both those English teams and that Premier League as well. And Steve Nash, who does the broadcast for Bleacher Report, he is a Tottenham fan and was so affected by the outcome of the Tottenham win, he cried. He kind of choked up on the broadcast.


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[Assistant] You're right, you're right. You don't often see the team, you know, Buffalo Bills back in the day when they kept going to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Capsy91. What up Capsy91? If you could create the perfect pass rusher, what would he look like? Is he the ideal size, skill set, in your opinion, is he the perfect size, or do you just max out all the Madden ratings like, uh, uh, Kaleus Campbell? Make the perfect guy, strongest, fastest guy?


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[Assistant] Lawrence Taylor, Khalil Mack, your perfect height. Okay. They're both 6'3". Right, right. So you nailed that. Yes, right. You said 270 playing now. Yeaah. They're a little lighter. Khalil Mack is 250. Right. Lawrence Taylor played at 235.


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[Assistant] Uhm, kind of related, this is from Taryn Caravella. What up Taryn? Would you rather have a fantastic pass rush but below average cover unit or fantastic coverage unit but a below average pass rush? Pass rush.


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[Assistant] That was a really good question. Uh, question from Ira Fasnarmi. This is back on the offensive side of the ball. Top five route runners in the league right now. So who would you put in your top five? It's your Mount Rushmore plus one.


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[Assistant] And this is where the AMA comes in. This is ask me anything. And so sometimes it's uncomfortable. Some of the questions can be uncomfortable. Not for me. Nothing's uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] Are you familiar with the game F-Marry-Kill? That game where you can, you can kill one person, you marry one person. Oh, right. And then you, and then you- I gotcha.


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[Assistant] You had to do it. You had to do it. Okay, so. And it can be just you respect them that much, that you know, that you...


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[Assistant] Why would you want to do that? Maybe because you've met DeAndre Hopkins so much lately and you have that respect for him that that would be the only way to get him to elevate to the top receiver in the game is if Odell Beckham was no longer around. Gosh. I gave you an out right there if you just wanted to


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[Assistant] We all know that quarterbacks, you gotta be smart to be a quarterback. You gotta be football smart to be a quarterback. Who is the dumbest great quarterback of all time? Who, who, you know, wasn't maybe as bright as the other quarterbacks out there. Football savant, but maybe wasn't, uh, wasn't the shirt.


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[Assistant] Well look at Fitzpatrick, right? A Harvard guy, probably one of the smartest guys in the NFL, still makes some plays that you scratch your head about.


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[Assistant] Good, I like it. We've alienated enough people here, but we've also complimented them along the way. Here's one I think, Phil, that would be interesting to hear your take on. This one comes from Hits Josh, and he says, out of the rookie quarterbacks from last year, who do you see taking the biggest step


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[Assistant] What are the realistic expectations for these guys in year number two? So you got those rookie quarterbacks. Yep. Had a lot of them last year. One just got traded in Josh Rosen. Right. What do you, what do you see from them? How big a step do you see some of them taking?


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[Assistant] Do you want to go back into something that we were talking about before because it involves a player that your dad played with, Lawrence Taylor. One of the questions we were answering earlier was, to Chris, was if you could create the perfect pass rusher.


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[Assistant] What would he look like? What's his size? What's his skill set?


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[Assistant] Uh, your son said 6-3, maybe 270 right now in today's game. Lawrence Taylor was 6-3.


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[Assistant] Some of these guys up there off the top of your head. How many do you think make it in that just got drafted into your top 40?


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[Assistant] Other people to react to it. Sims ruining his own career on his own podcast. Uh, uh, and finally, Frederick Leno, who do you think will win the UEFA Champions League? Liverpool or Tottenham? I'm rooting for Liverpool.


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[Assistant] It is, okay, it is. LeBron does, there's a lot of American interest in Liverpool. Yes, there is apparently. In a lot of the English Premier League teams, which by the way, Championship Sunday, for the Premier League, you have Liverpool and Manchester City both playing 10 Eastern, everyone's playing at 10 Eastern, but,


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[Assistant] It's, it's head to head. They're separated by just a point right now. Liverpool has one loss. Right. All Premier League season.


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[Assistant] If they both win, if Manchester City wins and Liverpool wins, then Manchester City wins again.


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[Assistant] Since it's been the Premier League, it's been a while, but they've never won. They've won the top division before, but since they called it the Premier League, they've never won it. Gotcha. Okay, so that's cool.


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[Assistant] You know, he, he ends up being good and then you're gonna overdraft a player that's never existed before in the NFL and could leave for baseball again in three or four years if he is not, you know, at least an average starting NFL quarterback.


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[Assistant] If you were making this pick, then since you disagree, who would you take at number one? Oh, I'm going the trenches. Uhm, I'd go either Quinnon, Josh Allen, Joey Bosa. I mean, throw a dart. This is a transcendent defensive line class. And they have...


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[Assistant] Josh Allen's a very easy pick here. Uhm, guy that went back to school would have been a mid-round pick the year before if he'd come out, goes back to Kentucky, gets bigger, keeps the athleticism. He's a guy that can do everything. You know, the, the Jets wanted to sign Anthony Barr. Weren't able to get it done.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen is Anthony Barr plus. Josh Allen can do everything that Anthony Barr can do as an outball linebacker and plus he is a transcendent, edge rushing talent. I, I, I think it's a slam dunk pick.


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[Assistant] And if you look at his PFF page, his run grade went from like in the 50s.


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[Assistant] to win the eighties this year. I mean, just, just improved tremendously. Uhm, and you're, you're, you're getting the pass rusher and he can also drop back in coverage. I mean, you probably wouldn't want him to do that, but he can do it all.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, but man, Hawkinson would be really fun for fulls to play with. Yeaah. And I, I think that Hawkinson is a transcendent tight end prospect, uh, best blocking college tight end that I've seen. Um, he's also an A plus receiver. He was a better receiver than Noah Fant last year. They were on the same team. Hawkinson was featured from the jump. And to Chris's point,


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[Assistant] Fabulously athletic, you know, uhm, I would see him hurdle the defensive backs, you know, they, they would try to do the grog thing where they cut his knees out from him. Yeah, right. Hawkinson will just take to the sky and jump over him. Just a tremendous receiver and he's a guy that came on so quickly this past season. Yep.


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[Assistant] Love this pick, yeaah. I mean, he's long, he is fast, 4-4 speed, and he's tremendous against the run, which is where, for me, he differentiates himself from Brian Burns. Uhm, all around defensive end, love the kid. Uhm, you know, for the Lions sitting there, I mean, the dream scenario, I think, is either Sweat or Hawkinson gets down the board, and they got one here.


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[Assistant] Uh, we are, we are running to the podium with this one. We're taking it all over again. Love it. Yeah. Buffalo needs a pass rusher bad. Let's get one on the interior.


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[Assistant] The Bills had the 7th fewest sacks in the NFL, had 36 last year. Uhm, Ed Oliver, transcendent interior, uh, penetrator, you know, guy that, uhm,


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[Assistant] Ed Oliver over the last three years had something like 150 more snaps at zero technique than the next highest guy in this draft class at zero technique.


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[Assistant] It was, it was incredible and every single time, I mean, obviously, you know, the, the offense is going to have...


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[Assistant] Ed, you're gonna do the entire pass rush for us. And then we're just gonna, you know, sort of flood the intermediate sector with bodies or whatever. And teams just ganged up on them. Double, triple teams every single time. Josh, I know you love them. I'll kick it to you.


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[Assistant] And he plays bigger than he is, right? I mean, the kid plays angry, squares people up, comes in and blasts people, and he's smaller, but he brings the power because, you know, it's force times mass.


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[Assistant] I would agree, uhm, where, where I like Bush a bit more is with instincts, right? Because sometimes, sometimes White's feet get stuck in the mud for, for a second, like on misdirection or stuff like that when he gets confused and that can play down his athleticism. Bush is a guy that seems like he knows where, where the ball's going every single time and he's going in to hit you.


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[Assistant] Love the pick. Yeah. Tremendous prospect.


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[Assistant] Thor, that's you. We're gonna start a run. I'm gonna take Joanne Taylor here. Uh, you know, for the Packers, the interesting.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I think you want to go Taylor because, you know, you have to wait until 30 with their next pick and I do think there could be a run here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, and, and, and, you know, the Packers are looking at Bulaga is, is, you know, his contract's gonna expire, uhm, the mediocre player as is, the, they have the bus, Jason Sprague's, his contract's gonna expire as well.


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[Assistant] They could use help at guard. They could use help at tackle. Taylor, if you want the first year, you could play guard. If you want to play them outside the first year, it'd be great. Belong is a free agent after this year. You can move them outside after that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, you know, and I think, you know, where I, cause I like Dillard more, uhm, the Taylor as well, but you know, for the Packers, you know, needing the guard, needing the right tackle, uhm, he's a better fit for them, I think, you know, where, as Josh was saying, Dillard's earmark for left tackle.


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[Assistant] We played with Jim Harbaugh, right? And Don Brown, who's one of the best defensive coordinators in college football. If they couldn't figure out how to use Rashawn Gary, I wonder if the NFL will. You know, Chase Winovich, another edge rusher, you know, an edge player in this class. From Michigan.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Outplayed Rashaan Gehry throughout there, you know, from the three years that Rashaan Gehry was on campus. Winovich was a better player throughout. And it wouldn't shock me if that continued to be the case for the next decade.


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[Assistant] Yeah, agreed. Yeah, you know, the other, the other thing they would think about is maybe getting an interior guy, but if Brian Burns falls down here, you, you have to consider it. I mean, this is a guy who'd be a transcendent pass rusher in the NFL. I, I do prefer sweat to him, uh, you know, in a tiebreaker just because of the, the run defense thing, but Brian Burns is absolutely a better pass rusher and that's where the NFL is going.


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[Assistant] Well, I think there's reasons that he could go in the top 15. I think there's reasons that a team could fall in love with Daniel Jones. It would not be my pick. It would absolutely not be my pick.


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[Assistant] I like Daniel, I like everything about Daniel Jones outside of the he didn't throw deep in college, which is a huge thing, right? A huge thing. But just like Hakeem Butler with drops, I think there's contextual reasons that could explain why the deep game wasn't a part of his game that goes beyond his physical skill set. I'm not saying that it does, but I'm saying that it could be argued.


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[Assistant] One thing that I really, really appreciated about Cody Ford last season was that, you know, before he was playing guard, Orlando Brown leaves, you kick Evans over to the left side, and you kick him, you know, Ford outside, and he played tremendous. Pass blocker, run blocker, all around. Good, good player. I think there's, there, there's ceiling left there. There's untapped potential as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I would agree, uhm, with everything these guys are saying. And, you know, one point I'll go back to is, is Dexter Lawrence, you know, in terms of password, we know he's a great run blocker. He's going to eat up blocks. He created more disruption as a pass rusher than his counting stats give him credit for, uhm, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, an okay sort of solid starter is can he can continue to create that disruption as a pass rusher, even if he's not getting the sacks, facilitating, you know, in college it was for Christian Wilkins, it was for Clellan, all those kind of guys. He can create some of that disruption on passing downs.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, in high school, but in high school he was looked at like this mauling run blocker who needed to get more pass pro reps. He goes in place for Mike Leach.


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[Assistant] Right, you know, and he sat for one year and then he started for three. The first couple years, you know,


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[Assistant] As a starter, he was just a big athlete. And last year, he really took his game to another level. Elite athlete, elite pass blocker. And the one other thing I'll say is,


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[Assistant] And he's going, you know, Dillard now, you know, in terms of the run blocking again, you're totally right about Cousins. You need that supporting cast. With the Vikings, they were on zone. You know, they brought Gary Kubiak in. You know, as far as the run blocking, Andre Dillard being an elite athlete, I think he's going to be a very good run blocker in his own system, assuming he gets there.


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[Assistant] You know, get a guy who excels in space, Russell Wilson scrambling around. No offence, he...


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[Assistant] And, and, and Josh and I, we, you know, we, we have some thoughts on Noah Fan. We can, we can bat this around, but you know, he, he's a guy who in space is tremendous. You know, he's an elite athlete, great player in space. He's a red zone killer. He does have some specific struggles though. Um, blocking contact balance, um, catching the ball in traffic, um, stuff like that. I have some questions about Noah Fan. I don't know that he would be my guy here, but I think with, you know, the Seahawks, I do think, you know, if they were stuck here and Grease off the board, I do think that they might look for a pass catcher here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, I can absolutely see the pick. Yeah. Uhm, I, I do have some concerns about DK. Uhm, and I, I'm with Josh on this where I prefer Hakeem Butler to him. Uhm, there's a few guys I prefer, but DK is a transcendent size speed, north-south athlete getting downfield. You know, he's,


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, AJ Brown got all the targets there. Uhm, so I do have some concerns. And also with the body, they're showing it on the screen right now, you know, people are going nuts about that on Twitter. Oh, DK's body and stuff. That looks unhealthy to me.


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[Assistant] Well, there was a two and a, I did a lot of research on this. Of course you did. There's a two and a half percent margin of error on that machine. On the one and a half percent body fat? So you get up to four, right? Anything three or below is considered like, you know, we, we, we could be like moving into like.


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[Assistant] You know, there hasn't been much talk about Hakeem Butler. You know, he's, he's flown very far under the radar. And I think that there, there are teams that like him. You look at Vegas, Vegas knows more generally than, than the media. Hakeem Butler consistently, consistently has been number two in odds behind DK Metcalf for the first receiver off the board taken. Yeah. Interesting.


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[Assistant] But PFF rated him as a pass rusher equal to Quinnen Williams, tied for first in the entire nation. He led the nation in uhm,


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[Assistant] Pass rushing reps, pass rushing wins in, in, you know, reps that did not, uh, were not counted as pressures.


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[Assistant] Man, he is strong as an ox. He gets after the quarterback. Great run defender. He can do a lot.


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[Assistant] Well, I think without the ACL and without the off-field issue, I think he's a top 10 talent. Yeah. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] Right, for three years he left Ole Miss as the all time leading receiver in school history. He can do a lot. Jumbo slot, he was more athletic than we thought, you know, coming out. And he's a Leonard Fournette sized runner when he's got the ball in his hands.


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[Assistant] I really like it. What a great scenario. If you need an interior offensive lineman or a safety, basically everyone has fallen to you. Lindstrom was still on the board too. They could have had their pick of safeties. They're sitting pretty with those needs back in the first round.


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[Assistant] What's up, everybody? Chris Sims. I'm Button. Thanks for listening to the podcast. Got my man Liam McHugh here today. Thanks for running the show here, which you'll do in a second. I'm still trying to be like you and open up podcasts and do that.


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[Assistant] What makes you the most nervous about it now? Uhm, actually I feel like I'm at ease now. I've like made the switch NBC full time to where I feel pretty comfortable coming into this right now. Now if we can just get a table that fits me here that I don't have to wear a computer at my knees, I think everything would be perfect.


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[Assistant] So yeah, Liam has heard me a little bit. I was going crazy about baseball, right? I had to hit that off, alright? There's a baseball player right now, Tim Anderson, an African American guy from Alabama, who they drafted with the 17th pick a few years back. If anybody pays attention to baseball here, as of late,


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[Assistant] You know, a fight started a few weeks ago because he flipped the bat after he hit a big home run and looked at his own dugout and yelled with excitement. How dare he get excited for hitting a ball 400 feet. That's just...


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[Assistant] Ludacris, and of course there was backlash in baseball. A fight brewed after that because of course, aw, he was an unwritten rule, you don't flip the batter, you don't show emotion after a home run.


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[Assistant] And he does that, and of course the next time he's up a bat, what happens? They throw a ball at his head, because that's more sane than flipping a bat. I mean, let's throw something 100 miles per hour at a person, that's a hard object.


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[Assistant] That somehow is not an unwritten rule. I don't know, I don't understand it. So it bothers me, I love baseball.


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[Assistant] I guess that's my first thing. I really do. I want my little boy, he plays baseball. I want to see the sport get good. And I read articles this morning about baseball's attendance is really suffering and they're struggling like this. And I want to say, yea, you know why it's struggling?


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[Assistant] Cause you got a bunch of boring unwritten rules and a bunch of boring players to go with it. You need guys like Tim Anderson that show like, hey, it's fun to play baseball. You don't have to always be serious. And yeah, they need to change that. It's a sport that's getting


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[Assistant] But, but, but again, if you want kids to buy your jerseys like the rates that they're buying like Odell Beckham Jr. jerseys out in the public,


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[Assistant] Then you gotta have some guys that have personality that, you know, kinda bring in the young fan, the young crowd, the millennial kid who likes to see a little exuberance and excitement at times.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's what, that has to be done. That's what I don't get. I hate the unwritten rule bullcrap.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, oh, okay, you know what I love about baseball players too, it's an unwritten rule until they feel uncomfortable with it, then they'll change the rule, right? Like, it used to be you have to throw four pitches to get the four balls to automatically walk a guy.


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[Assistant] It became a little pressurized. Yeah. The pitchers would miss the mark and sometimes you get a few errant throws, you know, every few weeks when doing that. It gave you too much pressure. Oh, we'll change that rule.


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[Assistant] No, nothing to get rid of. The only unwritten rules in football are basically don't get involved in another man's contract dispute. You know, you don't get involved in another man's money situation, okay, when you're, when it's not your situation.


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[Assistant] Don't talk about anybody's mama and don't talk about anybody's wife. It really ends about right there. After that, there's no more rules. It's, you better play hard. We don't give a damn what you do. If you want to celebrate and put your head, you know, between your crotch, whatever it is, it doesn't matter as long as you're getting tackles or touchdowns or throwing, throwing touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, the cool thing, I think we should have to see a little bit of AJ's personality. AJ is kind of a pretty straightforward, straight-laced guy who, you know, for a receiver where you get a lot of the diva talk, right, at wide receiver, that's what I respect about AJ Green. He's never been like that. It's never, oh, I want more money, I need more catches, what are we doing on offense? So, I like that, and we had a few little chuckles along the way.


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[Assistant] Uh, hopefully the people get to know the guy a little bit more because you know that's one thing I always take great pride in is getting some of these guys who aren't known to get them out there in the public and get the public to know a little bit who they are, not just a number and a face mask.


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[Assistant] No, that's right. And so no longer with the New York Giants on the New Orleans Saints, they have come out and said that they are not going to exercise the fifth year option rights on Eli Apple as well. Hey, Eli Apple, if you look back at that draft, it was one of the most controversial picks of the draft. I don't think anybody really at the time thought he was worth the number 10 pick.


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[Assistant] Certainly was in a first round corner back in that conversation, but I think a lot of people thought he would be somewhere in the end of the first round. So that ruffles, I remember some Giants fans feathers up here in that area, in this area at the time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the quarterback conversation is the interesting thing apart of this draft. Like Jared Goff, I don't think his talent matches up with the number one pick in the draft. That's what I would say right off the bat. Looking at it now, hey, looking at it then, I didn't think he was the number one pick in the draft, to be totally honest with you.


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[Assistant] But, but looking at it now, I think that fact has been justified a little bit. Now some people are gonna go, well look, they've been successful, and they went to the playoffs, they went to the Super Bowl, and I understand that, and that's really good. But they didn't do that because of Jared Goff. He was certainly an important piece and helped it out. Uhm, but I don't think he's the type of talent where I look at as a number one pick.


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[Assistant] Exactly right, it's Peyton Manning, it's Baker Mayfield, right? It's those kind of guys where you look at- Carson Wentz wore that guy? To me it was, that was where I was gonna go with it. Carson Wentz, now, you know, yeaah, we're sitting here, he's been injured in the last two years, so that's the concern, but I do think-


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[Assistant] You know, I always try to remind everybody. You go back to the 2017 season, the year the Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] I mean, we were in week 14 and Carson Wentz was going to be slam dunk the MVP pick that year. And I brought this up a few times during the week because this conversation's come up. The game he got hurt. The Rams-Eagles game where he tears his ACL. I mean, halftime show.


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[Assistant] On Fox that day, literally started off with Howie Long going, I'm watching John Elway reincarnated here with Carson Wentz. That was the praise he was getting. So yes, if you gave me my conversation there, Carson Wentz would be the number one guy off the board. We got another quarterback. Everything we know now.