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[Assistant] As of right now we don't know how many times it's repeatable. Whether you can do it once or twice or ten times or however many times you want.


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[Assistant] What do we need to know to know whether that's safe in the long term and what do we need to know to know whether or not that can be continued in the long term? There's not some drop off at some point where it says like this just is not going to work anymore.


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[Assistant] So if we can take a mouse that uh, right now has a lifespan of about two years and we can make it live a decade or two and just playing with this idea of optimism for a moment here and sort of like setting aside all of the things that like,


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[Assistant] Puts us out well past the 100 year marker, well past the 120 year marker. We start getting into territory that a lot of people just have a really hard time even fathoming.


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[Assistant] But again, just playing with that for a moment here what we're talking about in


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[Assistant] In the long term as a world where people are living these incredibly longer lives, presumably, hopefully healthier as well, a lot of people, the first thing that they hear when they hear that is more people on an already really crowded planet. You hear this a lot from people.


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[Assistant] Cause people are having fewer children over the last few generations as these countries get richer.


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[Assistant] We gotta use that money wisely, though. I mean, like, like, there was this, uh, sense at the end of the Cold War that we were gonna have this peace dividend, all this money that we were spending on war, we were now gonna be able to spend on all these social programs and making people's lives better, and we just threw it back into the military.


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[Assistant] There's also a possibility that we misuse this. So this is another instance where we really need to start having these conversations now and really working them into the conversations and making sure that policy makers understand the world that we're potentially entering into.


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[Assistant] And that's on the healthcare saving side of things, uh, which tends to be the, the later in life side of things. There's another advantage to this too, is that if we can lengthen life spans, right? The portion of a human life that we spend educating someone right now is about a quarter of their life, right? It's the first 20 years of their life, give or take.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then you get, you know, two decade or two equivalent time periods where they work, right? So you get about a 40 year career and then you get a 20 year period at the end of their life where they're sick. But if you can extend out that time in which they are being productive, all of a sudden all of those educational costs become


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[Assistant] Even better investments and they already are and as you and I both agree, I know education is the best investment we can make in our society.


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[Assistant] Well, it's such a waste that you've suggested, we've argued about this before, you've suggested that people don't just have a right to live that long, they really have a responsibility and obligation to live that long.


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[Assistant] Most people, I think when you present to them the opportunity to live longer and healthier, they say, oh yeaah, I would like that future.


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[Assistant] Uhm, right now the things that we have talked about that make that kind of a future easier, reprogramming, really, really effective drugs and supplements.


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[Assistant] They're getting there, but they're not there. Which means...


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[Assistant] If somebody wants to partake in this future and they're of any age right now,


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[Assistant] They actually have to put in the work. It's not just gonna be handed to them in the next, in the next few years.


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[Assistant] A lot. I know a lot of it was dense. Some of it we probably moved too fast for people on. Some of it we didn't move fast enough on.


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[Assistant] Uhm, some of it people might want to review again if, if they do want that. Uh, the good news is the show notes are going to be available. They're going to be time stamped so you can go right to the topics that you want to learn more about.


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[Assistant] Uhm, those are thanks to our really amazing team of researchers.


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[Assistant] If there's anything that people want us to dive deeper on in the future, presuming a future of another season of this, they can, they can leave notes, uh, wherever they're watching their podcast.


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[Assistant] Uh, we can do it. I'm like, I'm excited about that episode too. I think there's a lot to be said. There is a ton to be said about aging and sex. There's a ton to be said about aging and society. There's so many more topics that we can hit.


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[Assistant] And wherever we go next now, people who've listened to this hopefully have a really baseline understanding of the fundamental nature of where the research is, where it's coming from, where aging comes from and what we can do about it, which means that whatever we cover in the future, we can start from that place and build from there.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I think, I think a combinatory podcast series recording slash ski vacation sounds really good.


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[Assistant] Many Magic the Gathering players ask the question, what are some of the most common mistakes that Commander players make while playing this game? And so I've invited here Commander player extraordinaire, Emma Handy. Most people don't know this about you. Now, you are a huge Commander.


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[Assistant] And, and it was actually what most people said was the best of the Brawl decks. Uh, uh, I mean, it's a subjective evaluation perhaps, but it was Chulane. You, you helped, you were, uh, uh, uh, part of the team that designed Chulane.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, but, but, what's the problem there in that example? Like, what are you trying to, to, to, uh, evoke as problematic, uh, uh, with those decks or those decks' goals and can they ever sit down at the table and play, uh, uh, with one another?


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[Assistant] So we did an entire episode, actually, with Olivia Gobert Hicks about- Oh, she's incredible. Yeah, she is. We did an entire episode about how to identify and evaluate the power level of your deck versus others.


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[Assistant] It all boils down to communication with your playgroup, honesty with others, and also honesty with yourself in recognizing what your deck is.


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[Assistant] Okay, so let's say I am good at evaluating my deck and its power level relative to others, uh, what are some other mistakes that you think are really commonly made by commander players?


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[Assistant] But I can have cards that only play with my commander in my decks. So for example, one of my favorite decks, you were looking at it earlier, is my Tesa combo deck. And Tesa, everybody is so sick.


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[Assistant] That is the only card that can do that is Darkest Hour. It is no other function.


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[Assistant] I've discarded it and I don't, I've got a couple ways to get it out of the graveyard, but it's pretty hard if they make me discard it or I cast it and they know enough to disenchant it.


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[Assistant] What is the amount that it's fair to run? How do I know that amount that's fair to run? I mean, the deck still works, for example, without that one card.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but that's definitely a dead card without my commander.


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[Assistant] But don't we want a lot of, what do you mean by interactive cards? And when you said interactive, I'm imagining cards that work with each other, or you mean like removal spells, uh, uh, uh, counter, things like that. Not synergistic cards. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Right, well it also seems like if we're in multiplayer in commander, a 1 for 1 card is no longer 1 for 1 in multiplayer.


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[Assistant] I believe we may have covered that in our Tolarian Tutor Commander episode of which, uh, Emma was the writer and professional consultant. But if we didn't, the idea being that if it's just me playing against Emma, a counterspell is a one for one.


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[Assistant] But if then we also have Olivia and, uh, uh, another player there and I counter.


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[Assistant] Right. And so that's a very bad deal. So look for things that may be


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[Assistant] Uh, do what? Do extra things like I'm gonna counter your spell and get a scry or counter your spell and get a coin or should I be looking for things that then target multiple opponents? Obviously not with counterspell but


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, you know, uh, doing three damage to one opponent versus three to each opponent. See, I pay attention to you when we talk. I'm a good student. Or, or what are we, or you're just saying just run less of it.


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[Assistant] So, when we are talking about numbers then, I used to look at basic deck building as


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[Assistant] I want to have a removal suite. I want to have a counter suite if I'm in blue. I want to have a ramp suite if I'm in green.


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[Assistant] Right. I think that it's also very important to remember that


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[Assistant] For all of these packages of, uh, with the exception possibly being acceleration, uh,


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[Assistant] I, you know, clean up your graveyard, I direct remove that card, I counter that card.


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[Assistant] All you're doing on your turn is stopping people from winning, but not progressing yourself at all.


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[Assistant] So what are we going to look for as a player to avoid getting into that situation?


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[Assistant] I think a lot of players actually avoid those I win buttons like they're frowned upon like a lot of times in a video I might be talking about some of the


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[Assistant] I say that if you're in black, you should probably consider, I mean exquisite blood is pretty expensive these days, but if you have access to it and sanguine bond, you can resolve those two cards and that pushes the button to win and it's good to have


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[Assistant] Uh, and so I think that having the I win button or the combo kill or whatever it takes is necessary.


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[Assistant] I didn't, not that one, but I did win turn 3 with Sig River Guide at CommandFest DC by being able to get, uh, my wonder wine combo thanks to Sea Hunter, uh, online immediately and so I ended up literally turn


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[Assistant] But there are decks that you can build where that happens much more regularly, almost reliably, and that's a big difference. I've been playing Sig River Guide for over...


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[Assistant] That it was much more reliable, probably not with Sig, but other decks that I would have the turn three win.


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[Assistant] And we're coming out of competitive magic mindset. You more than anyone should know about that because you're a competitive pro. And, you know, I think that a lot of us when we're the Friday Night Warrior type sit down to


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[Assistant] Commander, and we've got these conflicting ideas about how we should operate in that chair.


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[Assistant] We're all still at the table. Let's shuffle up and get another game. I do get it with a turn three win that, like you said, I just went and did all this shuffling and now we're done there.


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[Assistant] If it's a Night of Commander with your friends in a playgroup or at your local game store, it's Commander Night and you're gonna be there all Wednesday night.


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[Assistant] And I do a game where it's a turn three win and then we shuffle up and maybe a couple people switch seats and then we have a game and it's, it's what you might call an average length 45 minute game.


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[Assistant] An hour and fifty minutes into four hours and we've had three games of commander versus being that far in and it's a deck where every creature I cast, one of my other three opponents removes it or exiles it, the graveyard opponent, it's exiled. What?


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[Assistant] You know, it's got so many different ways to win with that same kind of aggressive strategy, and I think those are a lot of fun.


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[Assistant] Playing slower than you should or could on your turn. So what you're saying is that we've got four players, I pass the turn, we go onto the next player, and then I should be thinking about the cards in my hand, the cards on my field,


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[Assistant] I think that a really good mentality is that idea of if it was your turn in the next literally like all of a sudden it was your turn.


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[Assistant] As the other player is making their plays. They play a creature. Alright, they just, they're doing more on their turn, but they just played a creature. Right now, if it was your turn, what would you do?


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, with that turn, are you going to remove that creature? Do you have removal? Are you gonna play a creature even though you have removal and by...


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[Assistant] Should I remove that creature? Or spend my mana on this? I've had it in my head very clearly about removing it, so that when I realized, woo, this is better.


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[Assistant] Much better than just Doomblade. There we go.


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[Assistant] How fair do you think it is in commander for me to...


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, uh, uh, ask for information that I can probably determine myself, but given the overly click. So let me give you an example. You, let's say you're playing on, uh, uh, the SCG tour and it's modern, uh, uh, and, uh, you have a tarmac voice in play and I say, and I go,


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[Assistant] Oh, hey, what's your, your, and we're, this is real competition on camera, feature match sort of thing. And I'm like, what's your, what's your time of growth at? Your answer is.


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[Assistant] Oh really? Okay, so I thought that was like, you should be able to know what my tarmac voice is at.


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[Assistant] I shouldn't be embarrassed, like wow, I'm bad, I don't know if there's any flyers out of 15 creatures of 3 other players, you know?


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, in general, because, you know, seriously, and you don't even know what your table looks like sometimes, you're sitting at a table and


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[Assistant] Just answer. Just answer, I mean. Great, cause I'm gonna steal it to cast this. You know, or whatever.


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[Assistant] I think if that's how you're gonna respond, Commander isn't the format for you.


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[Assistant] I, I, I just don't think, I don't think Commander can survive.


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[Assistant] Right, right, of course not. Uh, and so yeaah, uh, uh, before we close out, any final, uh, uh, common mistakes?


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[Assistant] In six and a half years that a guest has referenced a movie and I knew the movie.


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[Assistant] Check this video's description. With my friends as well. Your co-hosts.


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[Assistant] Yes. They're wonderful. They're watching. They're like, what the hell, Emma? What the hell? It's, oh, it's your po- Emma Handys, the-


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[Assistant] Hey everyone. Welcome back to the Brotherhood Podcast. Uh, today we have starting, returning point guard Tyrese Procter.


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[Assistant] For the chant? I didn't know it was a chant. I just say it all the time because Jeremy says it all the time. We say it too. Ozzy Ozzy. Ozzy Ozzy. Like me and you. Ozzy Ozzy. Well I know me and you say it. Me and Jeremy say Ozzy Ozzy. What do they say in Australia? Ozzy Ozzy Ozzy. Okay.


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[Assistant] So I'm saying it wrong? No, yeaah. I like two, I like three. Okay.


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[Assistant] Two sounds more natural. Yeah, it does. Uh, appreciate you being here. Tough Fortnite runs last night for us. Yeah, and went to a great baseball game, too. Yeah, we showed up at the, at the Turnbulls game yesterday, bottom of the first inning. 7-0. There was 7-0. They played okay for the rest of the game. They had like four runs, but they still lost by, like, 7. Yeah. Tough.


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[Assistant] Right, let's start with, uh, some Australian background for you. Uhm, you're...


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[Assistant] I know I was gonna ask you a ton about your impressions of the United States, but you have a little bit of background here. Your father played college basketball here and then went over to Australia, is that correct?


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[Assistant] And then you played, I know we were playing Fortnite the other day with Dyson Daniels, but you have a lot of guys that are in the league now that you have relationships with. I know you know Josh Giddy pretty well. And then, uh, obviously Jack White played here recently, NBA champion. How much do you, you know, rely on those guys for advice and how much are you able to kind of ask them questions and learn from them?


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[Assistant] So you make the decision to come here to Duke early. I don't even remember that really happening.


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[Assistant] So Shire reached out and was like, hey, if, if Trevor goes to league, we'll have a spot here and watch it coming. You were, you were all for it.


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[Assistant] It's interesting to me, because I'm...


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[Assistant] Entering my sixth year here, I'm really out of the loop. You're old. Huh? I said you're old as hell. Well, I just don't. By the time you're like a senior.


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[Assistant] Basically, when you guys show up, it's the first time I'm meeting you. Well, you're barely on social media as well. Well, alright.


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[Assistant] I am, I just don't have the same followers that you guys have. I am less interactive, I guess. Do you still have Facebook? No, I don't have Facebook.


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[Assistant] I have Facebook for Facebook Marketplace and that's it.


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[Assistant] Twitter was the first thing I downloaded. I didn't have Skype. Uh, what was the old one called? Uh, uvu?


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[Assistant] Uvoo was like a thing when I was younger, uh, that was like a FaceTime app almost. Kick? Oh yea, I like Kick. I didn't use that. My mom did. Uh, Omegle? Omegle? Omegle? Was like a, uh, a FaceTime thing. Yea, right. Dude, what else did I have? I don't know, Instagram was like kind of like, yea. Instagram was always the one. And then Twitter was like fun.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I use it for mostly that if something happens, you just look it up like it was trending on Twitter to see like about it, but I would never tweet anything really. Yeah. Unless you're like, just retweeting stuff. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I guess it's not completely new, but some early impressions of the United States, what was, there had to be some cultural differences right away. Uuuh, the food.


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[Assistant] Uhm, people say that. I don't- they say they're known for barbecue. I don't know if there's like-


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[Assistant] Well, remember we taught you how to tip at Cheesecake? Oh yeaah. Ryan, yeaah, yeaah, you told me that. Who we were at? Jake? You and Slim? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] In that south point. So you don't, yeaah, that was around Christmas time maybe? I remember it. Just off though. When everyone was on break.


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[Assistant] What are your favorite dishes? Is there different?


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[Assistant] If you had to go home to a show and you were looking forward to like one kind of food. Honey chicken.


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[Assistant] What are the top restaurants you've been here that you like in the US?


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[Assistant] I mean like, fast food chains that you didn't have back there? Do you have Chick-fil-A? No? Chick-fil-A is good.


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[Assistant] Uh, they're here. I don't know if you have them driving around. Popeyes.


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[Assistant] That's probably it. Uhm, you guys got air conditioning in Australia?


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[Assistant] They don't have much air conditioning in Europe. They don't have, like, I haven't been to Australia, I've been to Europe. Yes, there's air conditioning. Do you have ice in your drinks? Yes.


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[Assistant] They either just don't have ice in your drinks or you have to like pay. No. You have to pay for ice? Yeah, like that's definitely happening. Like if you're in like France or Italy, I think that's like a big deal. No. Yeah. And every like place is like super hot because they don't have much air conditioning. We have air conditioning and ice. Nice. That sounds like a pretty good place. It's a great place.


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[Assistant] Alright, and then what about the adjustment to driving here? You've been driving around Jayden's car this summer? Yea. Uhm. That thing's about to fall apart.


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[Assistant] I mean, he drives that huge car around too. It's like super difficult to like park and stuff.


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[Assistant] But okay, some other background stuff, you just got a new tattoo what, last week?


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[Assistant] Do you want to get that whole arm done? Nah, I don't think so.


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[Assistant] Anything that I would get. I've been fortunate enough not to hear out too much.


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[Assistant] Death of my family, I know that's obviously a big one, to get a tattoo for, uh,


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[Assistant] And your ribs? I don't know. Like, I don't know. That's called your ribs. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Or like right here in the wrist. It's like cool. But I don't have any just...


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[Assistant] I can't think of anything that I would get that I would be like, ehh, this is kind of like, not really. I don't really care too much about this. Nothing to do with home. When you born in Canada?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I've never been back and I lived there for like less than two months. Moved around a lot growing up. You going back there tomorrow? Yeah, flying back for the F1 race. Can your agent get me tickets or no?


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[Assistant] Somebody's, I do not want to pay the $300 to watch. That's insane. The general admission's like, I know it's like a, I'm not into F1 like that.


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[Assistant] I know it's like a big like luxury thing and like the general admission is like lowest like 250.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I have no idea. But I just can't, I can't pay that to watch cars go really fast. Is it on the water? Or is it in like an actual like,


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[Assistant] Probably close, they always put those like races in cool areas. I'm sure it's a cool experience, but I'd rather just walk around like Montreal. Or just watch it on TV and see every angle. Yeah, or just, I don't know. I think you do. It just doesn't seem like it's worth the money. Uh, 300? Yeah. And if you're not gonna stick your, if you're not gonna, if you're not gonna ask your agent, but


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[Assistant] Whatever. Uh, alright, last thing about your background. You have a younger sister who wants to play college basketball. Uhm, does she want to come over to the stage?


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[Assistant] She wants to come over as well. Nice. How old is she? Fifteen. She's got two or three more years of high school basketball.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that'll transition nicely into the, uh, I was gonna ask you about the difference of Australian U.S. college basketball and what, what that difference kind of looked like because you played with older men, especially when you were playing with the national team.


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[Assistant] What kind of, what were the biggest differences that jumped out to you immediately when you came over and started practicing with us?


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[Assistant] You're always complaining about that hip check defensively that you got called for. Oh yea. The one hand thing?


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[Assistant] Uh, yea, like if a guy's driving to you, you can cut him off, and have like an armbar on him. I'm just gonna fall now, so. Take a couple more charges next year? Yea. Do you have a charge this year?


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[Assistant] Who do you think led our team in charges? I think two or three. I think it was me. Really? I think so.


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[Assistant] I could check it. They don't keep charges though. Ah. Uh, in college basketball, I don't think they do. Uhm, somewhat like, I guess a hustle stat. Uhm, I'd rather be complaining about that, but. John took a few too.


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[Assistant] Like the, I'm just saying, there's a difference between like a push off where you just like,


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[Assistant] Big energy play, yeaah, it's fun. It gets the momentum. Versus yours, it's just like, meh. Uhm, you transitioned, well actually just talk me through this whole, this whole season, uhm, and your, your recap of I guess how you thought it went and how you thought it as a team and went for you personally.


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[Assistant] Uhm, did you think the Miami game was the hardest game of the season for you personally? I remember after the Bellarmine game, I remember everybody in the locker room, but especially you just chasing around those guards.


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[Assistant] They were talented. They beat somebody, didn't they beat, uh, well they beat Louisville for us, and then, and then somebody, uhm, they beat another Power 5 school right before they played us. Uhm, I remember Louisville. I remember a lot of the team.


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[Assistant] Like I remember the first media being like four to two or like two to nothing and then within like a few minutes it was like fifteen to two and then me and you were like, I looked at you, yeaah. We were going to check in, alright let's go in and try and salvage this.


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[Assistant] Uh, DJ Burns and stuff. Yea, DJ Burns came in and hit. He's like my favorite player in the league to watch. He's unbelievable.


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[Assistant] He hits like, I don't know, he hit like four hookshots from like outside of the paint that was just, uh. The fadeaways?


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[Assistant] He wasn't missing. He doesn't miss. He has like incredible touch, but like from not.


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[Assistant] He doesn't really, like, get anywhere or feel like post stuff. Like, wherever he catches it is where he's gonna shoot it from. And he uses his body well and just uses his ankles, I guess.


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[Assistant] Just a battle of not jumping high and hook shots. You had a dunk this year, though? Yea, I wonder if he has a dunk. I don't know if he did. Oh. Maybe. I got one dunk. Pits butt? Yea. Room grazer. Barely got it up there.


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[Assistant] It was, it was a dunk. How many dunks do you think I'll get this year? Oh yea, one I think. Virginia.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. How many dunks? You had one too? I think so, yea. Wow. Who do you think will have more dunks next year between me and you?


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[Assistant] To even feel confident enough to go up. I can't catch a love, I'm not in game. I didn't catch a love this year.


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[Assistant] And then I stopped playing defense. And then all of a sudden you had the, you had a stretch of like three or four of, uh, when we were playing those teams that were really guard heavy, you were guarding the best guard. What clicked in your, what was that about? I mean, did you just experience to coach Shire guy?


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[Assistant] He's an interesting guard, cause he- He is, he plays weird bro. Well he's not a-


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[Assistant] He wasn't necessarily like a 3 point shooter. I know, I'm sure he probably shot a decent percentage, but he loved like mid ranges. He's like so patient off his pivot as well.


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[Assistant] I think he came out of high school with me. Or maybe a year, maybe a year after. But he's, he was a Philly guy. And he's definitely, that was definitely like his third or fourth year in Miami, so.


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[Assistant] Did you see that guarding other freshmen versus old dudes? Was that like the difference in patience? Definitely, definitely.


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[Assistant] It's a different game. Uhm, and then transition more to both defensively, uh, but offensively this past year, you had to change more to go,


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[Assistant] What went into that? How did you kind of mold into that position?


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[Assistant] Yeah, moving into next year, the decision to come back, what were you ever, I know you made the decision pretty early, but can you talk me through that process, what were...


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[Assistant] You know, was there any thought about leaving after this first year? And what went through that? What were the conversations like with your people?


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[Assistant] I didn't realize that. That's a good, that's a good point because so many, I feel like, NBA scouts, like, there's such a big difference between, uh,


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[Assistant] Guys that are one, one year, you know, one and done versus two. And you're, I mean.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the moving of this next year, you know, what are you most excited about about the team and, uh, playing some big time games obviously early in the schedule?


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[Assistant] I assume we're playing in the United Center. It's a cool place to play. Have you played there? Yea, they had a big time tournament there when I was younger. I think two different years maybe.


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[Assistant] It's exciting, like when we're playing pick up, it's always weird when you have like a new group come in and like.


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[Assistant] You have so many different guys that are trying to learn what their roles are and...


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[Assistant] That's fun. They're hitting big shots. They're, they're talented. So, exciting. What about your personal style of play for next year? You have anything you think you want to really add to your game change?


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[Assistant] Especially with our versatility and the different ways that we have so many different weapons and different styles. We have a lot of shooting on the floor this year.


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[Assistant] It'll be, uh, it'll be pretty exciting. What about, you were just out in LA working out, uhm, with your agency. What kind of things are you working on there that differ from what your workouts with you? Like, are you trying to do more?


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[Assistant] Stuff that NBA, like, scouts want to see? What's going through your head when you're working out over there?


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[Assistant] How do you, like, how do you think those guys got to that level? Is it like quick twitch training? Is it just playing?


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[Assistant] Chris Paul's a dude like that, you watch him play, he doesn't like stand out as being like a crazy fast player. Yea, he wasn't even that fast.


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[Assistant] Uhm, still super effective. Right, let's end with some, uh, some Aussie trivia for you, Tyrese. I got five questions. We're gonna see if you're...


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[Assistant] Are these ones you looked off the internet? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Did you think I'd be able to come up with two of you in my head about Australia? You'll be able to get a few. I mean, hopefully or else you'll be exposed as a frog.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think you should be able to get the majority of them. This first one's kinda tough though, you ready? No. Number one.


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[Assistant] Australia is the highest minimum wage of any country in the world.


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[Assistant] What is the hourly minimum wage in Australia? Like $14? $13?


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[Assistant] I don't know. I mean it's around there, can I get an exact answer? You didn't have any jobs? No.


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[Assistant] Do you know the hourly minimum wage here? No, what is it? $7.25. $7? No, it's higher. It's higher over there, I think. Well yeah, it's the highest of any country. Uhm, I want to say $13 an hour? Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's almost double, I think it's almost exactly double, uh, the US minimum wage.


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[Assistant] Pay less, you probably pay more in taxes over there. You guys got free healthcare or no?


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[Assistant] There's an option for it, I'm pretty sure, yea. And then there's private healthcare as well. Do you have Medicare? Huh? Do you have Medicare over here?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we still have like the thing that Obama implicated, uh, implemented when he was here, uh, when he was in office. What?


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[Assistant] It was called Obamacare. But, yeaah, I mean, I just less, I guess in general.


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[Assistant] You never heard anybody say that? No. Well I got it right, a hanger. That's a coat hanger. I don't know if you got it.


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[Assistant] The website said locals. Give it a nickname. You're supposed to be a hangar.


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[Assistant] That is the nickname. Okay, coat hangers. A coat hanger is a real object. Oh, for two.


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay. 0 for 3. 2 for 1. Got 2 right. It's starting to look like it might be a little bit of a fraud, Tyrese. What was the name of Steve Irwin's TV show?


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[Assistant] He was the zoo guy? Yea, I know who he is. What was it?


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[Assistant] I didn't watch it last seen. Isn't it older? He's been, he's passed. He died a while ago. He got stung by stingray. That's how he died? Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I did some research just to figure out the name of the show. What's it called? The Crocodile Hunter. Oh yeah, I should have known that. 044.


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[Assistant] Uh, number five. Jack White just became the seventh Australian to win an NBA Finals ring. He did. Who are the other six? Deli was one.


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[Assistant] So that was one. I'll just, if you can get four out of the six.


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[Assistant] I don't know two of the names here, I know the other two have to be within the past 10 to 15 years. Bugger deli.


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[Assistant] There's four left. Two you should get. I don't know the other two. I'm sure, I'm assuming you don't know the names.


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[Assistant] Okay, he, okay, I'll give you a hint. He won it with the same team in the same year. He was also on the San Antonio Spurs.


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[Assistant] Occasionally frauds, frauds have to be exposed, so. Uh, alright, well, appreciate your time, Tyrese. Thank you, Mr. Young. Thank you for having me.


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[Assistant] There are, I think, a lot of cards that don't make sense. Let's say Wrist 3 Deemed.


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[Assistant] Green and white. Color identity. Even though it's technically a green or


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[Assistant] I think so too. And it's, uh, using Reese as, as, uh, you know, springboard for this. So what happens if you want to play Boros Reckoner in that deck? Can you know? Can you play cards that are Boros? Because maybe you said, Reese is my white commander.


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[Assistant] Or I can bring in white black. I can make it just really a five color deck. Because I'm using...


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[Assistant] It was working with cards that again were never supposed to interact with each other that weren't being built around that format. They were meant for something else entirely. And then it was...


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[Assistant] Part of, part of the fun and the creativity and the joy in deck building these is again, finding things that weren't meant to just immediately synergize in this format. And...


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[Assistant] Being able to see interactions that were never supposed to occur and being able to bring them in that way. That they weren't, none of those, you know, older cards were designed for commander and they're still staples from those not designed for commander cards.


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[Assistant] Just because you can't design for specifically this one thing doesn't mean you can't design something well that can then be used in it.


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[Assistant] Well what fun is that? And that's not the point of the pie or having these different color identities in commander or just having the colors different as they are.


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[Assistant] So, to circle back on it, hybrid man is probably the one thing I have the least surety on, and so I certainly don't want to take a very hard, firm line in the sand, it should be this or it shouldn't be this.


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[Assistant] Compete with that either in my deck building process or in a game.


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[Assistant] I guess since it's never been this huge stumbling block for me.


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[Assistant] I don't have a really strong pull to why it needs to change.


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[Assistant] At no point in time have I been like, like I said earlier, I can't make this deck work without this one hybrid mana card. Right.


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[Assistant] Right. That's part of the restriction, that's part of the deck building process, and it's just like, okay, that's just what it is in this format.


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[Assistant] I take it from there, it's like these are my parameters and now I have to figure out how to fit best within them.


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[Assistant] I could, you know, there's, I'm open to hearing more about it, why it should or shouldn't, but I genuinely can't say I have a hard and fast, it must be this way, it must not be this way on hybrid mana. I would incline to just keep things as they are right now, would be my opinion.


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[Assistant] Ask your friends. Build the Battle of Woodstock and then be like, guys, I wanna try this out. It's gonna be fun. Right. Promise.


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[Assistant] And uhm, I'm sure people have formulas for how many lands you're supposed to run. I don't know, I just put lands in a deck until it feels like there's enough. And sometimes there still isn't. But...


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[Assistant] It feels like a corner case. I don't know that I would advise in my capacity.


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[Assistant] Uh, that I would advise that we make all the rules based on corner cases.


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[Assistant] That's okay. Not everything has to work.


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[Assistant] Not every single card has to work exactly the way you want it every time. That's just not how this game goes.


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[Assistant] It's like that, what was that car, that combo you posted? That someone else had put on, uh, you asked about like crazy, ridiculous, somebody asked about ridiculous combos on Twitter. And it was the city of solitude to fairies protection and...


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[Assistant] It was a, uh, black card and it was runnin' as men were basically, uh, oh it was, uh, uh, consuming vapors or something where you can counter something by just taking another turn. Right.


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[Assistant] And you just do it a whole jillion times to ferries protection yourself out.


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[Assistant] You probably will get high fives around the table because that's hair brained.


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[Assistant] Some of it's self-selecting, right? Like, you're gonna get it done once and be like, alright, that was cool, and...


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[Assistant] I feel like a lot of times when we see stuff that looks abusable,


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[Assistant] Well, it's gonna become unfun eventually. Either your playgroup's gonna be over it, you're gonna get over it. I've, I've taken decks apart because they always won the same way. They didn't always win, but when they did, it was the exact same setup. It was a very similar like, oh.


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[Assistant] But you still wanna learn, you still wanna see, you have that curiosity of, you know what, let me, I just wanna see how this works.


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[Assistant] That's right. I agree with that. And you know, I mean, in the same vein, I built a Traxa. I played it once and I took it apart. I was like, this is, it's...


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[Assistant] I know exactly what this does, I know exactly what I need, there's no, there was no, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, there wasn't anything where it was, uh, there weren't challenges within the deck of, oh, but I need this and I don't have it, but how can I make this work instead? Right. Or this is a different wincon, or it was very linear. Right.


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[Assistant] And so, it was cool the one time and had a ton of counters on everything, and I was like, alright, alright. Now it tracks us to the 99 somewhere else.


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[Assistant] He knows exactly what he did because he does it every time.


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[Assistant] It is, it's, uh, EDH Quarters, uh, Commander's Quarters build. It's Mitch's, it's modified of course because I had other stuff hang, hanging around that looked like it would be fun or fit into it. But, it's, you know, make Yargel huge with a bunch of armor stuck on him and then tainted strike him.


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[Assistant] No, it's not, it's not an every time thing.


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[Assistant] Commander does have ways to deal with counters.


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[Assistant] And to get rid of counters that may be on you as a person or as a player, or not issue them at all.


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[Assistant] I think what is it, the card from Hour of Devastation, Solemnity?


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[Assistant] You know, like, there's, there's avenues that it can be dealt with.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't, if we change it, it just makes it harder to win within fact, right? I don't know that...


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[Assistant] We're not gonna, I mean, we're not going out banning all the commanders that could get pumped to size in one turn and knock somebody out.


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[Assistant] If, if it's, I, I could see the merit of it getting bumped up.


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[Assistant] I haven't seen any like super compelling, all consuming, the format is dying because it's infected.


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[Assistant] I mean, not to, certainly, and I'm not in like a making line of it way, but it's almost the same way, like, that flash is getting unrelenting.


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[Assistant] I have, I have not been asked about my...


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[Assistant] Well, the larger part, and I've actually spoken to, uh, I think at least Jim from Spike Feeders, and I wanna say a couple other people in that community, and some CDH folk, and I'm like, you know what, honestly?


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[Assistant] I have no idea why this is a problem, and this was, you know, a little while ago. It was like, walk me through what the issue is here.


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[Assistant] I don't play CDH. Right. I am not in, like, I have, when you guys say Flash Hulk.


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[Assistant] Genuinely, honestly, like walk me through what the big issue is here. So more than one CDH player was like, I'm happy to, thank you for listening, and sat me down and was like, here's why this is an issue and here's why it's basically unstoppable and why it's a scourge on the format. Not everybody agrees with that, that's fine, but...


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[Assistant] They had a very well, like, when this comes out, this is pretty much the order of operations.


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[Assistant] And if more than one person's running it, maybe somebody else is going to take the win from you because they're going to flash out and stuff instead. And you know, took me, took me through the whole thing at that point is like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I see how this could really suck if this is one of the biggest, most powerful, and pervasive ways to win, and it's almost, from, you know, what I heard, it almost sounded like it was a guarantee, like if you sit down to CDH, there's prob- there is a likelihood that someone is running this.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't know if as good as or anything like that is the right combination of words for this. Make all the faces of the camera that you are. You can do, all I'm saying is that that's kind of the level where


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[Assistant] Again, as an outsider on CDH looking in, being like, this is coming up basically non-stop.


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[Assistant] Please tell me what your experience is, what your experience is, why this is, why I'm constantly hearing about this. Like, I genuinely wanna know.


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[Assistant] It's, you know, I do not know everything about magic. I do not know everything about commander. There are all kinds of methods I don't play. There are archetypes and...


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[Assistant] You know, styles of play, I do not partake in. So I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert and say that.


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[Assistant] I mean my job is commander advisory as in, I talk to other people too.


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[Assistant] So there are plenty of things where I'm more than happy to have like a nice sit down discussion. Tell me why this is such a problem and why it's not just your playgroup but you've gone elsewhere. Where else have you seen this? Has this been a problem? Like if you're someone that does go to tournaments and you know when you scrub out of main or


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[Assistant] You just show up for side events. Every time you get in another pod, you're seeing the card or you're seeing this combo. Give me, give me context beyond.


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[Assistant] I don't like it in my playgroup and I don't like people using it against me. Cause that's...


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[Assistant] Band of Death triggers are, let's, let's talk about Olenda, who would be the premier aristocrats commander.


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[Assistant] If she worked with commander death triggers the way people assume or want her to work. Right.


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[Assistant] So, she amasses counters every time something dies. When she dies, she makes that many vampires.


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[Assistant] So the reason she's not, again, the premier commander for all of this is because when you decide, when a commander would die, they can go to the command zone instead.


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[Assistant] And I remember I, when that card was first previewed, I think, at some point in time during my awareness of the Ixalan block, uhm, when she came out. Actually, I think.


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[Assistant] Sack her out and have a army of vampires that I think are 1-1 lifelinkers.


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[Assistant] And now have tokens to sacrifice, have any number of things.


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[Assistant] So instead, she's relegated to the 99 unless you are running something with a pretty, you know, substantial reanimation or recursion package where you can get her back out of the graveyard no problem.


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[Assistant] So that is kind of the crux of, okay, well, if a commander would die and we could have some kind of benefit, if we choose to put it back in a zone, we can easily retrieve it from even with attacks.


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[Assistant] We don't get that trigger, so that, that utility, that value is lost. I get that.


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[Assistant] I don't know how widespread that is.


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[Assistant] And that's certainly something that I think should get considered?


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[Assistant] I mean, that's the thing. Alenda wasn't designed for Commander. Right. That's okay. Yes. It's okay that cards don't always work the way you want them to. That's true.


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[Assistant] It's like dang, she would be so great, so instead I'll run a tutor and throw her in the 99.


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[Assistant] And I get that, but at the same time, commanders aren't always in play.


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[Assistant] You don't always get the effect of them when they're sitting on the command zone. Yes, you want to build around them. Yes, you want to make them an integral part of your deck as best you can, if that's what you're going for.


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[Assistant] So being able to have Alenda say is this just monster of a recurring piece that you can bring out time and again, just get tons of value from. I can see the frustration in that not working.


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[Assistant] Is it one of those really pervasive problems in the format?


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[Assistant] Youtube, don't get mad at me. I'm actively admitting I do not know the exact ruling.


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[Assistant] The issue there is that there's more to it than just the simple, okay, spirit of it, when you're sitting down and playing the game, it makes sense that if I destroy something, it's dying, but instead of it going to the graveyard, it goes here instead, but the creature still died.


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[Assistant] That makes perfect sense to me. I can see we're 100% where you're coming from. I get that. We know it's not that simple.


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[Assistant] The rub is. There's something there, I'm sure, language wise that actually prevents it as it's written, both on the card and...


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[Assistant] You know, the actual rules text of how these things interact and what means what exactly.


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[Assistant] Could that be shifted or changed or modified by the RC? Sure? Probably?


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[Assistant] And if it ain't broke, don't fix it, certainly. And I'm not against at the same time being like, hey, this is something that we could actually improve on.


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[Assistant] It's, it's a blend between if it ain't broke, don't fix it and why are we making progress for just progress's sake?


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[Assistant] I mean, and that's the thing is like, part of it is, are we making changes just to make changes?


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[Assistant] Is this actually improving thing? Is the improvement such a corner case that the majority of players are even going to notice or feel it? Like, I think there's a lot of consideration there.


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[Assistant] That is open-ended and could change from one person to the next, both on the rules committee, on the CAG, and in the commander playing population writ large. Like, there's a lot of things that are, for some people, absolute


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[Assistant] This is the worst thing. I don't understand why I can't run hybrid mana to, you know, my position of I have never had it cause a problem for me.


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[Assistant] And I'm not saying that the apathetic state that I'm in necessarily on it is the right call, nor that we have to just legalize everything and then sort out the wreckage from there is the right way to go either.


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[Assistant] Are there gonna be unintended consequences? Are there ways around that? Are, you know, do we say something like, well when your commander changes zones, you get the trigger.


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[Assistant] Real and likely in this, like there's all kinds of stuff that maybe we're not thinking of because it hasn't been brought up because it's never worked before and now we change our role and all of a sudden this new interaction is absolutely bonkers and


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[Assistant] Completely unintended because it was never an issue before. Now we have one different corner case where it's like, okay well maybe we can't change the rules for this. And now there's a completely different set of problems that have sprung up from it. Right.


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[Assistant] I feel like taking a little more time and being judicious and making decisions like that is probably the smarter tack.


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[Assistant] I'm with you on that. I see it too. I don't know what the answer is. Would I advise that we try to find a solution?


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[Assistant] My very first Magic game ever was Commander. Commander is the reason I exist in Magic in any capacity.


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[Assistant] Hey, there's a stack of 99 cards. This is your deck. You play with this. This one is special. It's outside your deck and it has special properties. If it comes in and does more damage or a certain number, you're out. Okay. I don't.


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[Assistant] I don't understand what's difficult about it. I don't, if you don't want to keep track of it, fine, let your opponent keep track of it. And then when you die to 21, you didn't realize because you weren't counting. Well, okay. I don't understand. If you don't want to use commander damage, don't. Don't swing in with your commander. No problem.


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[Assistant] A counter argument to why would we get rid of commander damage is okay, so now everything's a combo deck because you just have to swing in on somebody's life gain deck and hope you can get them down.


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[Assistant] You have your one special creature that's set aside that when it comes in and does big smashes, well you're out.


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[Assistant] The idea that it's too confusing feels like an insult to everybody that plays Commander or is interested in the format. That you are not capable of keeping track of more than two numbers.


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[Assistant] One more number, I'm sorry, that's just a bridge too far. There's no possible way you could wrap your head around that and keep track of it too.


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[Assistant] I think part of, at least part of the simplicity


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[Assistant] Of commander, which I know I'm already getting, I can hear people laughing at that statement. But part of the simplicity as far as...


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Uhm, I think that that's a good thing.


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[Assistant] It's okay for this large casual format in a world of formats that shift often and dramatically to have, for lack of a better word, some stability in it.


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[Assistant] Like, it's kind of alright that this moves at a bit more, uh, slow of a pace.


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[Assistant] Cause it's part of the allure, is that it's not this hyper competitive, everything has to change.


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[Assistant] First, this isn't a check, it's an IOU, which is an unacceptable method of payment to the church. But secondly, you've managed to misspell IOU, which I didn't think was possible.


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[Assistant] Oh no, my class has never been in question. The financial viability of the school, however, is...


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[Assistant] But now, Mr. Professor, five years ago you took a high interest loan from the Orzhov church to start this community college dedicated to all things Magic the Gathering. I'm here to audit you, not a class.


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[Assistant] Many Magic the Gathering players ask the question, can Magic the Gathering, or perhaps more accurately Magic Arena, assuming that is a different thing, ever truly be an e-sport?


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[Assistant] Uh, that does not in any way do justice to the


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[Assistant] Myriad of titles, uh, and history that she has in the community, more focused on esports now, which is why I invited her here today.


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[Assistant] She is, uh, definitely someone with a keen insight into the industry as a whole, and viewers of this channel know I have, on occasion, had a few magic pros on to talk about related things, and of course,


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[Assistant] Right, so I'm really excited. I'm gonna start with this. Uh, can you just define for me what is an eSport? When we say, cause this whole conversation is about whether or not Magic can truly be an eSport, what do we mean when we say eSport?


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[Assistant] I don't actually know what meat hooks is. I'm almost a little afraid to ask.


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[Assistant] Response to that definition is to say, well, we can technically call Magic Arena, and even by that definition, Magic Online, an e-sport in that they are competitive.


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[Assistant] Online or video, as the kids call it, games, uh, that our question might be about terms of success. As a content creator, I'm all obsessed with views. So the question is, can Magic the Gathering ever be a


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[Assistant] Successful eSport. What does success mean? Well, I'd definitely say viewership.


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[Assistant] Is a big one, and you already made a comment alluding to issues with viewership and just magic gameplay. Let's start with the good. What do you think magic has going for it in the good category for being a successful


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[Assistant] It definitely looks out of time. It looks like something from another era, and I think it looked like that even when it was new.


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[Assistant] We've certainly come a long way since that philosophy. I'm very pleased to say, I even just as a filthy casual myself, uh, uh, coverage, uh, in all those areas you described is, is, is, uh, I think the best it's ever been. And I think throwing off the shackles of that


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[Assistant] Uh, philosophy is one of the many, many ways in which it's improved.


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[Assistant] You're gonna get me demonetized! Can you please, instead of terrorists, say makeup tutorial? And instead of bombs, say carpool karaoke. Otherwise the YouTube algorithm is just gonna bury this. No, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding.


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[Assistant] Anyone who has ever tried to teach a friend who doesn't already know how to play Magic, how to play Magic, knows a little bit of what you're describing, which is that Magic is just not a game we're watching without any, any help.


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[Assistant] Uh, or tutelage, where you're just gonna pick up what is happening, and that's just at its base, at its core, at its foundation. And then you try and digitize that, you try and stream that, you've got a live match going on, not a thing that's post-edited where you can have commentary coming in explaining move by move.


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[Assistant] And it's either you know it or you don't, and you're not gonna pick it up. If you're flipping channels, a lot of these other games, I've, like, I joked at the beginning of this episode, I haven't heard of half those games you mentioned as the top games, but I'm willing to bet that even


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[Assistant] Me, who doesn't follow that stuff, we could put it on right now, and after five minutes of watching, I'd be like, yeah, I get what's going on enough that I could probably be entertained, whereas with magic, it's labyrinthian.


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[Assistant] And, and, and that's the design of the game. In many ways, you might say that's the appeal, but that's also why we don't get the views, right? I mean, why, why, the only people viewing Magic are the people that are already in the know.


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[Assistant] And so you're, the goal with Arena, I think with all the flashy graphics, was to try and get it so somebody could flip around and just totally be tuned in to what's happening. But no matter how flashy you make those graphics,


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[Assistant] I don't personally think it's possible to convey in a live setting.


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[Assistant] What's going on in a game if you're not already in the know about how magic operates? I don't think it's possible. The only way you can do it is like a show like Game Nights is able to, with heavy post-production,


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[Assistant] Play by play have the, the players make commentary on their own moves and that's part of what they do on that show that, that is why a lot of people who aren't in Magic watch and enjoy it.


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[Assistant] Dinosaurs you can animate swallowing up a card.


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[Assistant] That doesn't make the game any more simple, and to even just try and explain, again, like, the number of times I've had to try and explain just pieces of a game to someone who doesn't play, and it's all but hopeless because magic doesn't have a straightforward


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[Assistant] Approach, and I worry very much so, that as


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, we start to discover more and more that that's the issue. It's not the interface. We went and we solved the interface issue. We've got a splashy, colorful, animated interface, but uh-oh. Magic's suuuuper complex. It's so complex that you can't follow it.


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[Assistant] Is, is to kind of, like, are we gonna go at war with ourselves? Isn't the very nature of magic that it's complicated? Shouldn't that be what we're embracing almost? Isn't, uh, you're gonna have to correct me if my reference is, is right or wrong here, but isn't it like that game, I believe, called


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[Assistant] Dark Souls, that's so complicated, that that's the appeal and that people who love it, they say, this is, you will not understand how to play this game, because, and that's what you love about it, is that you get to dive


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[Assistant] Deep into it, and that's magic. Magic isn't chess. Magic isn't poker. It's like if chess and poker had a baby that went to grad school. Uh, uh, it's just so far above all of that.


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[Assistant] Maybe we don't want to be a successful esport because that goes against the very nature of this game.


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[Assistant] Alright, I see what you're saying. So they're playing the match and they say, we've got a thing and it says player one is favored to win because their control


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[Assistant] Very basic concept of what's happening here, and so then as you see player one, and then you can have the coverage person be like, there they go, they're trying to cast their, their, their tutu, you know, uh, uh, goblin, but it's gonna get denied. Do you think that that's possible live though? It sounds like so much to me.


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[Assistant] I do, I made a, I have the most embarrassing moment as a, uh, uh, uh, instructor was when I tried to connect with my students one day and I said, what is this, like pop-up video? And everyone stared at me and I go, you know, like, I swear, I went, you know, like VH1?


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[Assistant] Well, not in the way that that's presented. I would argue that if you went and you actually put some money into, let's say, taking a Vorthos,


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[Assistant] Casual yet engaging content creators could come in. People, it's like, I'm not the person you in any way want on coverage whatsoever. I don't know what Bloody Hooks is, so you don't want me on there. But! Meat Hooks, whatever, I don't know. But!


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[Assistant] You know, YouTube videos get people reading their articles or listening to their podcasts and all of that cool stuff.


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[Assistant] And you say, alright, fine, maybe the coverage seat doesn't work, but we got time to fill, and we want to fill that with something engaging.


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[Assistant] But of course then you'd have to pay those people. And that's also where you get in.


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[Assistant] To a little bit of the problem is things cost money.


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[Assistant] So, what you're suggesting then is that those ad breaks maybe should be properly produced educational, dare I say it, lessons. A Talarian tutor starring Emma Handy instead of me or some other pro player to talk about these concepts in


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[Assistant] Five minute, three minute, digest, whatever, I don't know how long an ad, ad, run is, but you've got them chunks.


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[Assistant] That means there's money. My thing is that they're probably saying this. We're making all this money without?


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[Assistant] The paid viewbots were much more interested in our content for a while, and then they just slowly lost interest, I guess. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Uh, improving our production, everything you described in terms of what to do during ad breaks, what to do during coverage, all the stuff that's to do it right, to do it professional, to be competitive in that area is big time money that needs to be invested and every year


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[Assistant] Millions if not tens of millions of money that we're not currently spending to make these things you have suggested happen when we are making ungodly amounts already and breaking our records every year.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, I just, for me personally, that is such the wrong direction because that's the...


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[Assistant] Hey, we got Tigtone. We got Tigtone, right? When we get Tigtone? The big, big, big recognizable names, huge companies, huge interest. It's again, this, this inferiority complex too, I think, where it's just like, we're never going to have relationships with them. And, and yeah, yeah. How are we going to get those relationships?


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[Assistant] We do, but we then, I think it's, you know what I think is more interesting? It's not that we paid for the view, view bots, but that we stopped paying for them, that they just were like, eh, I don't want to spend the money on the view bots anymore. And it's just like, oh my god.


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[Assistant] They don't know how to put it in. Like, it's not an issue of they don't, they're currently, they're like, oh crap, because they had to work with other companies and such to get Arena made, and while they do have a team in-house now, and a little studio in-house,


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[Assistant] It's not quite the same thing. It's just like with Magic Online, where if you've read those articles about the history of Magic Online, they went out, they got someone else to make it for them, they brought in an in-house little team, and then it was like, uh-oh, we have to graft things on top of software, on top of bad software, but they're repeating the same mistakes!


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[Assistant] They're repeating the same mistakes, and in five years, arena's gonna look like magic online in the world, cause they won't know how to do anything. Yeah, it's just, that's what's gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Should lean into and dive into itself and say, yeah, you're not, we are not going to put up coverage necessarily to get.


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[Assistant] Paper coverage and tabletop coverage because Hearthstone doesn't have paper cards and we do and no one else has anything like that.


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[Assistant] We should never be what do you want your reaction to meet my outrageous comment that maybe we should never even try for it maybe that's not us.


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[Assistant] It's the greediest, it's what gets me is the blatant


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[Assistant] That vacuum nozzle into their pockets and suck until all we get is lint.


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[Assistant] I have, and I recommend everybody go check out Legends of Runeterra, which is an amazing game, one of the best economies, one of the best economies. You can just... buy cards.


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[Assistant] We don't want anyone else making money off of Magic the Gathering but ourselves and I feel


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[Assistant] Weather and now we're starting to get into a slightly larger topic, but I think that that ecosystem of all that money that they weren't personally making was part of what made magic so engaging, addictive, engrossing a lifetime quarter of a century game and that them trying to say we're going to scoop all that money up off the table is just going to leave


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[Assistant] A wasteland. And in terms of, uh, Magic's online presence, I honestly believe Arena and all the things you discussed here today are leading to that wasteland. I think this has been a fantastic, though, and engaging conversation. Amanda, if people want to find you, uh, find more from you, where can that happen?


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[Assistant] I got bad news for you, you're here, this is content, you created content, you thought, you thought you got out, we dragged you right back in.


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[Assistant] Seven mana and on blue, you're gonna absolutely get Cyclonic Rifted until they eventually ban it.


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[Assistant] I always feel like a new player because I'll watch other people playing and they'll just name drop cards and I'll be like, what is that? And then I'll look at the print and I'll be like, oh, it's from an era from before, from the before times.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think especially, I wanted to do a lot more playing outside of my regular pod this year, but then coronavirus, you know, she came and she kind of put the...


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[Assistant] The stop sign on that. So I haven't been able to play as much as I would have wanted to with as many different kinds of people as I've wanted to for a myriad of reasons, but I think because I haven't been able to play outside of my pod, I still feel very new. I'm still used to just


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[Assistant] Being in competition with just a certain group of people. So I haven't really gotten to like test all my decks the way I would want to to consider myself as a, uh, more experienced player as of yet.


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[Assistant] Well, I had an almost magic awakening back when I was working at Barnes and Nobles. I was working in the cafe area and we could get like discounts on the cards. And so I had ended up buying a whole bunch of them and like, yes, I'm going to learn how to play magic. And then no one I knew around me wanted to play or knew how to play. So I was like, alright, fine. So they just all went into a drawer.


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[Assistant] For many, many moons. And then, uh, a few years ago, when Core...


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[Assistant] I ended up meeting a boy who I was dating at the time who was also really into magic and he kind of brought me around his pod of players and I just started playing based on that and so when I went to go look up


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[Assistant] I found, of course, your videos, and then I found, uhm, the Command Zones game nights, and I was like, oh, that's interesting, what is that? And I'm watching it, and I-


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[Assistant] But it's a great way to learn because what I, because I don't get to play that often, what I will do is, so I'll watch, uhm,


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[Assistant] Between when he shows the hand for each player, I'll pause and I'll be like, okay, this is their opening hand and they've done this and they've done this, so they're probably gonna go one, two, three, four. So like, I'm trying to like, predict.


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[Assistant] In a way like, okay, what's gonna be the best move to make?


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[Assistant] Who's gonna have the best advantages based on their opening hand? And like that has made me, when I play in real life with my cards, to be like, okay, so this is my hand. If I can do this and this and this, this should be like my play. So it's a good way of taking what you are. It's kind of like studying for a test.


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[Assistant] What I enjoyed about it is like, I do have a deck that I made intentionally to be janky. And when you're playing with like three or four people, you have a chance of just not being taken out because everyone's like, well, they can't do anything because they're playing a weird, you know, sys a black card deck. So like, they're never going to be able to do anything. You're just sitting there like, yeah, just


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[Assistant] Allow jank to be more possible. It allows you to really be more versatile. And you can just challenge yourself.


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[Assistant] Unless you really play your opening hand, you know, modern is really quick. It's gonna really get depend on turn by turn. But with commander, what I have found is that you can really sit and like scheme and like,


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[Assistant] The thing about, that I love about Commanders, that I love about playing like really like turn-based, um, RPGs, is that you really learn the game the more you play, and when you lose. Like so like my favorite video game to play is Fire Emblem, uhm, because,


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[Assistant] It was great. I was like, we were just doing like, all of a sudden, you know, those 20 life points, they can really, they can really go away.


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[Assistant] But I love learning when I lose, and I love every time I play, like,


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[Assistant] Like for example, I have a vampire deck, and I don't play Edgar Markov because that's an easier...


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[Assistant] Vampire deck to win with. So I play with the Lycia Sanguine Commander, which is like ridiculously harder to do.


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[Assistant] I have a Rashmi deck, and I remember the moment that I had enough money in my account where I was like, you know what I'm gonna do?


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[Assistant] I'm like, I finally did it. I've leveled up. I'm casually competitive now because I have a doubling season. I have yet to ever play it or pull it and have it in my hand, but I own it and therefore I feel like my deck has been elevated, but it is expensive and I think


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[Assistant] It's expensive because if you do want to be competitive, if you do want to be on like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Right now, I don't need to put 80, 90 dollars into buying that one card. Someday. But I just don't prioritize that. I prioritize the fun, I prioritize sort of like, honestly I spend more money on my playmats. Now. Or like my quiver and those kind of things.


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[Assistant] I tried to get caught up in the cost, but it is very expensive. Especially when you buy a foil.


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[Assistant] I love to buy booster packs because sometimes you can just get really great cards from that. I once- Sure. I once was about to buy, uhm,


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[Assistant] If you play a card with the highest amount of power, you get mana equivalent to it. It's like Sylvana something, something, something. She's really cool. Doesn't matter. But so her cost at the time was about like $30. Anyway, I went to my local game store.


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[Assistant] And I got a pack and I opened it and there it was.


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[Assistant] And I'm just like, I just saved thirty dollars. And it was just such a fun experience. I like picking up a booster and seeing what you get. I think, I think it's more fun to put like nine, ten dollars and even like an older booster and like, okay, we'll see what happens.


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[Assistant] That's for like, buying the commander, uh, packs themselves.


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[Assistant] Because it really tells you sort of like in terms of newer stories where things should be going and like what has progressed and what has not progressed in terms of like who's writing these stories and I think that


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[Assistant] I love when you can see narrative in cards. I like that art form as someone who's really into comics and manga. Like I think that that's so compelling and interesting. And I think because magic is a game with story, with characters that tries to build these universes, it is so valuable to like


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[Assistant] Look at all of it together, especially when you get a card like Sistae's Descendant, which I have and I'm just like, oh, I love having all those cards together to be like, look at this card having an actual legacy in the cards. Like that to me is really fun and cool. I get really into that stuff.


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[Assistant] And I, and I loved it and I loved being able to focus on, you know, one of the most popular planeswalkers and have them have, you know, an interesting story so they can be together because


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[Assistant] I feel like if you're going to, cause I know the Planeswalkers are relatively new as like a part of the game and the way that they are now, I feel like if you're going to create those characters and have them be part of your branding, you know, you should really invest in making them have


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[Assistant] How big that fanbase is, how international it is, there has to be, there's something there or else it wouldn't be working.


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[Assistant] I almost did that. I, I, I was a quick sidebar. Um, if I hadn't have gotten the job that I have at the Mary Sue, my goal was to get my PhD in folklore, which would have made me deeply unemployable. So that, so, but I was like, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to follow my passion, um, like a child.


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[Assistant] But I do agree, it is, it is one of those absurdity things of like, of forgetting that things have


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[Assistant] To go back and see what was there before. And if they choose to reject it then they do. But if they like it then you just, you know, then you still have both of those sides. Nothing has to be lost.


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[Assistant] I'm very biased because I've just gotten very deep into Commander and I've been so busy perfecting that, that I, that it's hard for me to be like, well I've given everything it's fair shot. I really haven't. But I think for me is...


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[Assistant] With standard, it's the rotation. I don't want to like keep it, reinvest all the time. I like to be able to stick with something and have it work. With modern...


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[Assistant] I think for me, it just became a thing, like if you, when I was playing with certain people,


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[Assistant] Who had very synergized modern decks. I felt like there was just no way for me to get there. You know, I felt like there was just not gonna be any way for me to sort of like...


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[Assistant] Compete with them one on one unless I was gonna like deep dive into that and I just wasn't interested. I wanted to play like my big silly angel decks that needed seven CMC, you know, to like play it. And I'm like, I'm not, I don't want to like, you know, you know, give you like four.


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[Assistant] Uh, what's that? Fire bolts to the face, you know, just cause I can, and, and do the aggro thing, or do the, the,


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[Assistant] Everything below that, it's like the Wild West. And I enjoy that about it. So I think at a certain level there are commanders that you know that you're gonna see, you know that there are. I think if anything with commander, you're very aware of which commanders are.


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[Assistant] There's like a very, there's like a very clear like, okay, like, you know, the fact that I choose to play with


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[Assistant] Lysia and not Edgar Markov is what inherently makes my deck never gonna be past a certain point. Because it just can't be that way without a lot of money and like switching up a commander that does more things and gets you more stuff on the board sometimes. And I, that's kind of a bummer sometimes, but I don't care about that.


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[Assistant] What is the commander deck that'll make people hate me? And they're like, well have you heard of Grand Augustine?


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[Assistant] Well, to be bluntly, to be blunt about it, I think it carries a lot of the same pitfalls of being a game.


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[Assistant] That is similar to everything. I mean, you see the same pushback with Star Trek, which is so bizarre considering what Star Trek is about. You see it with Star Wars, which is so bizarre considering even what Star Wars is about. You see it in anime, which isn't even, you know, which is made in Japan, and it's like, why are you guys so weirdly territorial about anime?


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[Assistant] Pushback of people who want the culture to be more inclusive, not just at the bottom and sort of like who you see in your playgroup and who you see at events, but who is creating the cards, designing the story, who's being hired, and uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, when I did that video that I did talking about sort of like my experience as like a black woman who plays magic, you know, it was overwhelmingly positive responses, but you see sort of this


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[Assistant] This mentality from a lot of people which I choose to take in good faith of for a lot of


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[Assistant] A nice person. But I was like, but you're also interrogating me.


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[Assistant] About why I'm saying this isn't an inclusive space. And it becomes sort of like this vicious cycle of like,


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[Assistant] People wanting to protect something that they feel very territorial about because for them it was their thing and they feel like it's being taken over and


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[Assistant] To a degree, because I'm a nerd, I have been territorial over nerdy things, it is very easy to think something belongs to you because it gave you comfort.


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[Assistant] But I think for those people, they need to be as empathetic to other people as they want people to be to them. You know, magic is a modern game. It was created in the 90s when some of the biggest shows and acts were made by people of color and black people. It's absurd the lack of inclusion.


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[Assistant] at Wizards of the Coast in terms of who they hire and who they have to do things and


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[Assistant] I think a lot of people are holding them to task for that, but it also has to be people in the community listening and


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[Assistant] Not making excuses for themselves. I mean one of the experiences that I remember, if you don't mind me sharing, is like I...


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[Assistant] As if implying that I was, as if implying that I was doing something of like a sexual nature because I was doing this in like a tight-ish dress. And I remember just feeling so gross about that because


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[Assistant] That's just what it's like to be a woman in that space.


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[Assistant] You know? And to have someone blatantly say that to you as if you're doing something wrong by just saying they're doing a boomerang with like two box sets of a card. And that is just a part


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[Assistant] of that environment. And not, and not to just be totally negative because I do see


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[Assistant] A lot of great people in magic, yourself included. I have, you know, Tappy and so many others, Michelle, who I've met and who have really helped me to forge my place in magic.


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[Assistant] Take the lack of inclusion from Wizard of the Coast.


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[Assistant] And their attempts, as flawed as they may be, to try and course correct.


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[Assistant] And blame that on the black and brown fanbase as if we asked them to ban cards. As if we asked them to do that. We said, you should hire more people of color and be more considerate in your designs. And they're like, alright, we're gonna ban cards that nobody plays.


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[Assistant] I did that. Which, you know, I can't believe I'm that powerful. I mean, if I'm gonna tell them to make Gaius Cradle $5 next time, I do my next meeting with them.


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[Assistant] Do you know that you can make an entire commander deck based around cats and dogs? Like, you can have a puppy and kitty deck.


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[Assistant] And I have known a few people who are like, okay, if you make it...


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[Assistant] I will play it. And that's the beginning. It's gonna be just a bunch of puppies and kitties with that new commander that just came out. I'm like, that's it.


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[Assistant] Right, so there's a really good example. I play, uh, Zedru the Great Hearted Commander. She's the donating goat lady. Right. Uh, I really enjoy it and I get...


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[Assistant] A bunch of people who will suggest cards that I should put in it that I'll have.


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[Assistant] Some big drawback and the idea is that you'll give it away to somebody, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, one of the ones that comes up a lot is Aggressive Mining, which is a card where you can't play lands, and you can sac lands to draw cards, is the basics of what it does. Which sounds great, because you can make it so someone never plays a land again. Cool stuff, right?


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[Assistant] Except if say I go to cast aggressive mining and they kill my Zedro.


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[Assistant] I'm now locked out of ever creating enough lands to pay the commander tax to cast my Zedru, and I'm stuck with this card forever and am basically dead in the water.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like his, uh, I like his chances better than I did at the beginning of last week. Cause it looked like, like I've watched him site.


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[Assistant] I watched him play, maybe, again, these are very Jordan-esque rounds and this is what we come to expect from him, but even I was taken by the idea of, he gets a hole in one.


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[Assistant] And this was in his round and I just want to go back and make sure I have this right. So in round one, he starts on the first hole and he goes bogey, par, par, bogey, birdie, birdie, bogey, par, bogey. So it's a very Jordan round.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's funny, I was talking with his parents on Friday afternoon and even they were just flummoxed and I would argue


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[Assistant] Regardless of what happened in San Antonio, if he missed a cut, our friend is tied for 10, which is 10th, which is what he ended up doing. I, I still like his chances at Augusta.


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[Assistant] Because this goes back to institutional knowledge. We all know he can play this golf course well.


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[Assistant] It just depends on how comfortable he is with his game. I don't think he's very comfortable with his game right now.


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[Assistant] But he's doing Jordan Spieth type things in between really, really weird, ugly things.


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[Assistant] And so if you can find a way, like Rory has done, to clean up the really, really ugly thing,


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[Assistant] And just do the Jordan Spieth type things, then yeah, you have to like his chances, but I don't like, let's go back to tiers. You're not putting him in that second tier.


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[Assistant] I don't think it hurts any of them, to be honest with you, because it seems to me they all seem to be...


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[Assistant] Friendly enough, if they're not friends, then they're friendly enough. There's not going to be any tension above and beyond playing the first round of the Masters. I don't see that being a problem.


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[Assistant] You're at Augusta, so there was going to be big crowds if Rory was paired with you and I.


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[Assistant] The crowds would still be massive because everyone is still there to watch Ruri. So I don't think that's going.


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[Assistant] I will say logistically and I have spoken with people here.


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[Assistant] Where they do try to sort of space all that out and the idea being that because there's really no waves, you don't technically have a wave. You just have one wave of people heading out off the first tape.


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[Assistant] They tried to not have groups, at least marquee groups.


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[Assistant] I have two lines in my laptop and one of them reads, Scotty Scheffler is the friend we all want but few of us deserve. I'm going to go backwards somehow.


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[Assistant] I'm taken by the idea, you said surprise winner and you kind of hit me off. Garth, all of our favorites. He was, I'm sure he was 1A.


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[Assistant] You coming into the week, the defending champion won last week, seemed to figure out his putting.


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[Assistant] Sublime ball striking, all of the things that make Scottie Scheffler, Scottie Scheffler, of course that all changed.


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[Assistant] On friday when he tweeted did whatever it is to his neck we asked him to explain exactly what that was and true scottie sheffler form he could not so i think what you end up with is a historic victory.


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[Assistant] The first time in 50 years, a half century of playing the players championship that a defending champion has successfully defended his title. And that guy did it quote unquote.


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[Assistant] Slapping his ball around the last 54 holes. It was an amazing performance. And even last night, I kind of had to talk myself into, and I think I said it twice.


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[Assistant] That's last night as we're going down the leaderboard. And I was like, well, no, Scotty Scheffler still has a chance. And I would always think real quick and be like, well.


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[Assistant] He's gotta get a whole lot of help. He didn't get a whole lot of help. He got a little bit of help. But he did it all on his own. It was such an impressive performance.


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[Assistant] No, I think we all want to read it because I think it's a fascinating case study on how quickly he can turn it around. To your point, he finished 37th.


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[Assistant] And the field and strokes game putting this week. I mean, we have made this argument time and time again, and now I go back.


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[Assistant] We were having this conversation about can he pull it together in time for the Masters? Is he going to be, is, is it going to reach a tipping point?


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[Assistant] Where even as level-headed as he is, even as grounded as Scottie Scheffler is, it had to get aggravating at some point to go a year, a full year.


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[Assistant] Have getting close, week in and week out. I can't think of one instance when he didn't win.