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[Assistant] Making those dumb faces on the sideline one as well, but uh, Doug Peterson was the difference and allowing his quarterback to grow in year two and become the quarterback he has become and who's only going to get better. I think there's a ton of reasons for optimism Breach.


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[Assistant] You guys are, you guys are, I can't wait to, we can talk about this later, but I'll just say quickly. His office of coordinator was a guy who was so reviled in Detroit that had champagne when he left. And oh, by the way, he's never called offensively.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he's coming. Uhm, but to your point, it's actually, it's not a, it's not a...


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[Assistant] Far out point. I don't, I don't hate it. Um, and also I think that again, the most important thing as we come to realize yet again, it was the coaching. It was Sean McDermott and now obviously Brian Dable. And I think one takeaway is that how bad was that Vikings, that Vikings defense? Number one.


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[Assistant] Not only last week, but throughout the course of the year. And number two, again, this team feels like the Jaguars breached and that they exceeded wildly exceeded expectations. And this loss while humiliating in the moment is probably something they can build on as they move forward in the Brian Day Bull era.


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[Assistant] And also they, they can't beat the Eagles. I mean, that's been made abundantly clear.


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[Assistant] So British, here's what I'm hearing. And I should have realized this earlier as a parent of a teenager, I apologize for not noticing this. Brinton, he's, he's, as you mentioned, he's very nervous about tomorrow and he's taking that out on us.


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[Assistant] Prior to last week's game, and you brought this stat up more than I did, Dak Prescott had thrown interceptions in seven straight games. He had 11 total interceptions, and then he played out of his mind last week. But, what is your but?


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[Assistant] But yea, no, I think that's right. Yeah, Breach, they're in different divisions, obviously, but I think the Giants is...


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[Assistant] Hold on one second. And Britton just touched on this. If you had


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[Assistant] Mike McCarthy coaches this Giants team. He would have gotten fired at Thanksgiving. Maybe soon. Two in team. Right.


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[Assistant] You have to be excited, not by the outcome tonight where they lost by 31 as you note, but the fact that he won with this, this crew that has some stars, but also has a lot of question marks, especially a wide receiver.


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[Assistant] Alright, Breach, you get the last word on the losers and then we'll move over to the wainers.


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[Assistant] So let me tell you my Eagles story real quick. I picked the Giants to cover this game.


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[Assistant] I don't remember what the spread was. Clearly it could have been 30 and I still would have lost. What was it? Seven and a half or eight. Seven and a half. I thought the Giants were going to build on the momentum of beating the world's, the planet.


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[Assistant] The galaxy's worst defense last week, it clearly didn't happen. I thought, and I mentioned this to Billy before we started podcasting, I said, you know, I thought maybe Jalen Hurts would be a little rusty, maybe a little tight with a shoulder injury. Sirianni is a young coach. I thought the team might be tight.


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[Assistant] So, I'm gonna pull a breach with the Cowboys and completely do a 180 on the Eagles. Like, I have no concerns about this team. Thankfully, a breach you mentioned a few days ago, I forgot because I can't remember last week, much less back in August. My preseason Super Bowl prediction was KC versus


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[Assistant] Philadelphia Eagles. No, no, that was your mid-season. That was your November 1st. Oh, okay. Either way, I'm taking it and thank God that the Eagles played well.


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[Assistant] So Billy, let me ask you this. What did you learn about the Eagles in this game? Because this game was over after two series. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Alright, let it go, let it go. Uh, one of the other things, and Breach and Billy both touched on Brock Purdy hasn't really been tested, we'll find out. Brinson, you mentioned Shayna handing all the match keys down, and there's no disputing that. But...


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[Assistant] This Eagles defense is going to be the toughest defense that Brock Purdy might have the occasion to face should they beat the Cowboys. And that could be, that could be an equalizer because while maybe they have an advantage in terms of play calling slightly over, over the Eagles,


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[Assistant] I think the Jalen Hurst being healthier helps. All the Office of Weapons that the Eagles have helped. The Eagles offensive line will help neutralize that defense. Eagles are 100% favored.


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[Assistant] By the way, this is, this is worth mentioning and Bob Sworsky mentions this in the comments and whatever, I'll own it. I don't care. And I think he's sort of half joking. I'm serious. I'm old enough to remember when Wilson thought the 49ers should think about firing Shanahan. Shanahan was doing a lot of crazy stuff. It was, must've been last season. I don't think it was this season, right?


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[Assistant] I don't know what, yeah, I mean, there's a reason, at Tability's point, there's a reason he was Mr. irrelevant. To Breach's point, there's a reason that Tom Brady was 199, I mean...


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[Assistant] Shanahan's system has a lot to do with it, but again, sort of like the Trevor Lawrence thing, it's okay to wonder why Shanahan's doing the things he's doing when they're losing football games they shouldn't lose, and they're giving up all the stuff they're giving up to make the team better and it seems to be going in the other direction. Now granted, they have, Shanahan has crushed it without a doubt.


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[Assistant] And I get it. If they win the Super Bowl just like the Rams, it won't matter if they win two games next year because you won the Super Bowl. That was the point. But I think in the moment, it's okay to be like, yo, this doesn't seem to be working out. Why aren't you doing something differently?


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[Assistant] Let me ask, let me ask Breach a question since he's our Cowboys, Resident Cowboys homer. What do you think the line is Breach on an Eagles-Cowboys game? And then I have a follow up.


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[Assistant] But here's the other thing that I need to mention, and it explains, it informs Breach's talking points throughout the course of this podcast. As I check...


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[Assistant] Those are important. I was just such a good poll. Yea, that's a good call there, Taylor. Uh, man. Yea, I was a little worried when Patty Mahomes went down.


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[Assistant] He took chances, but then Eagles fan, I mean, excuse me, Giants fans were, were sort of upset towards the end of the game where he just kept running the clock out and putting the ball. So it felt like that to breach his point, that was the game for him. And then he's like, you know what, let's see if we get home quickly.


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[Assistant] No one's pressing ignore on their phone calls until this Rogers deal happens.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree with that. It does feel like they are a winner, but just barely. You know, cause you're talking about basically trading Tremaine Edmonds and TJ Edwards you bring in, but you also let Roquan Smith go in that trade. So it's, it's not, uh,


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[Assistant] Exactly even, but you're talking about from a financial standpoint, uh, that it's pretty similar. And so,


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[Assistant] The thing though is that Ryan Pohl's has to rebuild his roster.


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[Assistant] So what do you do? You know, you trade away the number one overall pick. Now you have an extra first round pick in 2024. Like you said, Brenton, you have DJ Moore. You add two linebackers. I think Nate Davis is a pretty underrated signing, uh, a pretty good offensive lineman and


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[Assistant] The Bears need that. I mean, we saw Justin Fields running for his life last season. So I do feel like they're on the right track. And has it been a perfect free agency? No, but I feel like teams rarely have perfect free agencies. And when you have this many holes, you just gotta add bodies when you can. And I feel like all these guys are pretty good.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know what, Katie, when you're 5 and 12, you were the one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. You have to overpay for people. So absolutely. That's what the Broncos went out and did. I don't hate this move though. I feel like the Broncos were definitely a winner here. I thought Ben Powers was, uh, the top left guard of free agency and McGlinchey.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe he struggled a little bit in San Francisco, especially with his pass blocking, but...


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[Assistant] Aren't always right tackles on the market like this. I mean, I think he was the best right tackle in free agency. The Broncos said, alright, let's see what happened last year. Why was our offense so bad? Russell Wilson. Why was Russell Wilson bad?


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[Assistant] One of them. Uh, so what do you do? You upgrade on the offensive line. The two biggest holes on the line were right tackle and left guard. And this fills them right away. Now you can kind of plan the rest of the pre-agency with everything else is just kind of the cherry on top of the Sunday.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I really like these two moves, and you know what? If Russell Wilson looks as bad as he did last year, you throw in the Jarrett Stidham signing, and uh, you know, you gotta back up who's ready to play if he has to play.


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[Assistant] I mean, we've seen Michael Thomas, he's just been beat up the last few years. I don't know that, uh, Sean Payne would want to bring somebody like that in, uh, in this situation that they're currently in. So I don't know that that would fit what they're going to be trying to do.


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[Assistant] Well, Katie, I'm glad you brought that up because why did Russell Wilson want out of Seattle? Cause they wouldn't let Russ cook. And now you hear Sean Payton is slowly building the Seahawks offense in Denver.


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[Assistant] Where, hey Russ, sorry buddy, we're actually gonna run the ball a lot. We got two great run blockers here. Uh, we've got Javontae Williams who's gonna be healthy. Uh, you're not gonna be thrown as much as I think you want to be thrown.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's, I think the big part is, and you just said it with, uh, in an Eberforce defense, he clearly felt that someone like,


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[Assistant] Tremaine Edmonds fits what he wants to do on defense better than someone even like Roquan Smith. And that's what a head coach does is they kind of pick and choose. They, all right, I like you, you fit the mold of what I'm trying to do better. Uh, and so I would think that Tremaine Edmonds will be pretty good in this defense.


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[Assistant] Well, I will say as the person who suggested Jimmy, I think this is a win for Jimmy Garoppolo. This is not necessarily a win for the Raiders. I definitely wouldn't classify them as a winner based on this one signing. Especially, you know, it's fair to say, is this much of an upgrade from


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[Assistant] Derrick Carr, it's, even if you say it's a lateral move, Jimmy's injured a lot, so I don't know that you can call an upgrade, but this is a


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[Assistant] Jimmy Garoppolo is a winner because he gets paid that, you know, money he didn't get last year when he took that pay cut to stay on his 40 hours backup quarterback. So Jimmy gets paid. Jimmy gets to go play for a head coach he's familiar with. He gets to run an offensive system that he's familiar with. And so he gets put in a spot where he can absolutely find success.


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[Assistant] In 2023 with Darren Waller, with Devonte Adams, with Josh Jacobs. I mean, they have a lot of good skill players in Las Vegas. So I love this situation for Jimmy. Jimmy is a winner. I don't know if the Raiders are aware.


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[Assistant] Uh, arguably one of the best defensive players in the NFL last year. But when you toss TJ Edwards on top of that and you toss Marcus Epps on top of that.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeah, then it starts to come across as maybe the Eagles defense could be in a little bit of trouble next season. Not being said, you know, we knew the Eagles were going to lose a couple defensive players. There's no way they were going to keep everyone. So I don't think they're a huge loser right now, but I do think that things could get a lot worse if they lose


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[Assistant] James Bradberry and Chauncey Gardner Johnson, and now we're talking about five starters gone, then they are one of the biggest losers of free agency, but right now I have them like in my loser cup, but maybe I could put them in the middle, not as a winner or loser if they retain both of those guys, uh, but if they don't, then they go further down to the bottom of my loser cup.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know what I'll say is that, hey, I said that the Eagles were barely on my loser radar right now, but would be way on it if they lose, uh, Garner Johnson and Brad Berry.


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[Assistant] The Bengals aren't on it for me because I never in my wildest dreams thought Jesse Bates was coming back. He was gone. He's been gone. There was no way they were going to pay him.


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[Assistant] Even fifteen million dollars a year. The Falcons threw sixteen million dollars a year at them. Uh, the Bengals are kind of in the Howie Roseman school of thought. They're looking always to get younger and cheaper unless it involves Joe Burrow or one of their cornerstone pieces. They'll pay Jamar Chase. They'll pay the guys they need to.


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[Assistant] I would say it's a three. I mean, they drafted Daxil to take over at safety. They knew they weren't going to be able to retain Jesse Bates. I was surprised Von Bell left. That is not good. I was hoping they would keep one of their two safeties.


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[Assistant] Uh, but, you know, remember, Chanaebo Ouizier was injured for most of last season. He will be back. So you're getting your top corner back. You still have Mike Hilton. You still have plenty of guys in the secondary. You just have to figure out how to replace Mon Bell. You can do that in draft. You can do that in the backside of free agency. So there's still plenty of time for the Bengals to kind of fill these holes.


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[Assistant] And they don't have as many holes as the Eagles. You know, we're only talking about two starters, which one of them they plan to lose. So it's really only one defensive starter you're looking to replace.


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[Assistant] Well, and just real quick, to that point, like the Bengals literally are one signing away from being on everyone's winners list. If they went out and got Jordan Poyer, and I'm just naming random safety names, Jimmy Warder, Chauncey Gardner Johnson, boom, all of a sudden they're a winner. One, that's one signing. Just one signing.


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[Assistant] So the last time you got the chair in a game, you blew 27-0, now you're dealing with Equor wanting to get traded.


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[Assistant] On the fence, Joe Mixon, he has no guaranteed money, get rid of him, save nine million dollars, put all of that towards Austin Eckler.


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[Assistant] Uh, and that would be an interesting fit with Joe Burrow and also throughout the Dolphins. I think they would be a good fit. We saw how Christian McCaffrey, how well he plays in Kyle Shanahan's offense and Mike McDaniel's running something similar in Miami. And I think Eckler would absolutely tear it up in South Beach.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. And one thing about Patrick Peterson is I feel like after 2021, people were like, uh, how much does he have left in the tank? And then he went out last year and had a phenomenal year. I mean, he had five interceptions. I think that was tied for the fifth most in the NFL.


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[Assistant] 34 interceptions in his career. He is just picking off passes left and right. I think that's the most of any active player.


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[Assistant] Uh, and, and I do think he's gonna be a good personality fit with Mike Tomlin as, uh, Brenton was kind of alluding to there. And, and so you look at what he does and at, you're only paying him $7 million a year for kind of a role playing corner. I think that, that's, uh, a good pickup for the Steelers. As much as I have to say.


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[Assistant] It's Brenton's point real quick. Darnold's coaches in his five seasons, Todd Bowles, Adam Gase, Adam Gase.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the way this team is constructed, I, I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what they're doing either. I think a lot of people are trying to figure that. I mean, this team was the favorite.


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[Assistant] Right, and now they've just totally dismantled everything, they traded away AJ Brown, they have, I don't know what they're doing on offense, they can't figure out, and Billy sneaks in, uh, a former Eagles player being an underrated siding for the Titans, uh.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think that Andre Dillard is going to help them very much. So I, you know, they let Nate Davis walk when you saw him sign with the Bears. So I mean, this is just. Are they taking?


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think Mike Raible would ever be on board with tanking, so I'll say no, but it does, if you just watch their moves, it kinda, you know, my actions are speaking louder than words, that yes, maybe it feels a little bit like that.


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[Assistant] And you're thinking, God, if I am, I'm going to get 700 carries this season because Ryan Tano has no one to throw the ball to. So I'm going to be the entire offense more than usual. Uh, so you're probably a little bit worried.


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[Assistant] 15 to 12, and now you're one game out of the division league going into week 18, even though you had no firepower in offense, kind of like Tennessee this season, past season. Yeah, it's weird, man. It is weird.


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[Assistant] A guy who I think will be a pretty good weapon in that Falcons offense, especially because teams are going to be worrying about Kyle Pitts and that should be opening things up for Johnny.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, they let Andrew Wiley walk too, cause he signed with Commander, so you're talking about trying to replace two of your tackles if you're the Chiefs, so maybe we could elicit them as possibly a loser, but maybe not. Both Super Bowl teams can't be in the loser category, right? That's ridiculous. That is how you get burnt. I take that back. Erase that belly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you could do that. I think garden is pretty, pretty good bet here. I mean, that game probably isn't going to be too bad and it's going to be cold, but it's not, it's not going to be that windy in Kansas City. So yeah, that wasn't going to be bad in that game. Okay. I wouldn't worry too much about that one.


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[Assistant] In Minnesota had an awesome comeback win, but their defense struggles against any competent pass offense. Now you can make qualms whether the Giants have a competent pass offense. They've topped 200 pass yards three times all year. But I think Dayball is the X factor there and he knows how to attack defenses. You have this massive weakness on your defense. I think he could take advantage of that, steam up some things to do.


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[Assistant] A weaker defense like this. Power ratings for me say the line should be Minnesota minus five. I'm at the point that I can't play Minnesota when they're ever over three. So my lean at four is the Giants. I do like Pete's play there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the line is seven, seven and a half, I think was too high with Lamar trending out again. Uhm, we've seen that Huntley, while competent, is not going to throw up a ton of points on the board. Baltimore's offense ran all over Cleveland. They still threw 30 passes in that game. It was a terrible game plan for them. So I don't, I'm not convinced they'll come into this game and do the right thing.


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[Assistant] I don't know how Atlanta scores in this game. Atlanta is easier to throw on than pass, or to run on than pass, but Baltimore's pass offense is not.


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[Assistant] Dangerous, so I don't know that they're going to get anything in the past game. Atlanta's defense 11th in rush yards per play.


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[Assistant] So I think I have to expect that, uh, that, that they're going to run more coming in windy conditions here. It's going to be pretty windy. I liked the under early in the week when it was 37 and a half. It's trended downward now at 35 and a half.


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[Assistant] The better play to me is to play the Baltimore team total under 21 and a half. So I have that as a best bet there. It's still at that number, even though the spread has ticked down to six and a half. Atlanta has held their last three opponents to 21 or less and Baltimore's offense isn't that dangerous. I think Baltimore is going to have trouble scoring above 21 in this game.


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[Assistant] I think uhm, they had been saying around 10 to 20 mile per hour winds, so that wouldn't be as bad. But uhm, you know, we're trending upward in that situation, so we'll see if it gets up to the 20 mile per hour range where you start to look at it as being pretty, you know, limiting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he didn't practice the first few days of the week, but the injury report came out just before he came on and they said he was cleared.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we sent this out. It was 2.5 and 32.5. I put best bet under 32.5. Love getting Saints at plus 3 if you can get it, which is where it is right now. Cold and incredibly windy should mean a 12-9 type of game to me.


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[Assistant] But I think in this game they play Taysim Heliton, it just makes sense to put him back there.


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[Assistant] And uh, and I think that'll help him out. And trouble, Chubb's gonna play. Foot injury might still limit him.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I played the under 32 and a half. I think if you want to wait just to make sure the conditions hold, you could do that because you can't make it low enough. I think it's just a terrible game.


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[Assistant] I also put at two and a half the Saints in two teasers. I have three teams I like teasing this week, so I have three teasers. Um, New Orleans and Tampa is one teaser. Rams and New Orleans is another teaser. And then obviously the other two legs we can talk about later.


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[Assistant] It's like that, it's just like that Bill's Patriots game last year where one team is going to be going directly into the win and the other is going to be going with it, you know, and so you might get some long field goals that hit, but then you're probably going to have some overthrows. But that's as of now, 48 hours from now, I mean, it shifts a little bit and then all of a sudden it's a crosswind.


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[Assistant] They keep catching for backers even when it looks bleak like it did at the first half last week.


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[Assistant] And, uh, they had 3.8 yards for play against Tampa. They were able to come back because they started inside Tampa's 40 on four straight drives during that rally. Tampa just was turning the ball over on downs, turnovers, that type of thing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, New England's defense, 15 yards per play, but a lot of their games have come against backup quarterbacks. They let Vegas roll down the field at the end of that game. Questionable touchdown, you know, and everybody argued about it. I'm sure you guys argued about it on the pod.


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[Assistant] On that touchdown with Keelan Cole before we even get to the nonsense of that last bite.


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[Assistant] They still let them get down in that position though, and uhm, so I don't know, when they face a good offense like this, how are they going to respond? Their defense is third in sack rate, so if the Cincy offensive line has struggles, and they have been better than the second half, but they have had some pockets of not playing well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I'm not sure that the offense can do that because it's the New England offense. They just don't look good. So I think the New England defense can have some success, but Burrow gets there in the end and the New England offense can't keep up. That's why like since C-3, I think this line should be closer to 6.


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[Assistant] Because you're saying, like, it's Mahomes now, because Mahomes statistically, I mean, give Mahomes offensive player of the year. I mean, that's going to be Tyreek, obviously, but if we're just talking about stats, that's what that, that award is for, I assume. MVP just seems like Burrow goes out and beats Allen, beats Mahomes, and uhm, in that sense, maybe the Bengals are the number one seed. I don't see how he doesn't get it at that point.


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[Assistant] I have Lions as a best bet, minus two and a half. Detroit's offense looked like they took a step back last week in cold weather, but that was against the elite Jets defense. It was the most, the yards the Jets defense allowed since week two and the most pass yards they allowed since week three. So what looks like a bad game in the context of the Lions is actually a good game in terms of who has played the Jets this year.


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[Assistant] Um, Carolina's defense, obviously easier to solve than the Jets defense. Middle of the packing yards were played 25th in sack rate. Carolina's offense only had 209 yards against Pittsburgh, cause you're right, they couldn't run the ball. Detroit's defense has allowed just 50 rush yards to the Jets, uh, to the Jets and 22 to Minnesota the week before. They were running defense playing really well to Pete's point. Their defense also has eight sacks in the last two games.


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[Assistant] So this is an easier matchup for Darnold this week after what he went through against Pittsburgh, but it's not really easy because the Detroit defense is playing well. So if Detroit is a good team, and I think they've proven out that they are a good team, uh, in top 10 in my power ratings, plus one and a half above average.


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[Assistant] Had 40 net pass yards, didn't have to do anything because Derrick Henry ran all over Houston. They had over 300 rushing yards in the game.


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[Assistant] As a team, Tennessee's offense has scored more than 17 just twice since week five. So I mean, I can understand this low total, even if the weather isn't, isn't a mitigating factor here, um, because they haven't been playing well. Houston does continue to fight, but they were outgained by Kansas City in yardage, 502 yards to 290.


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[Assistant] So the score really didn't reflect how the game went. I mean, they got beat up and down the field and just happened to.


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[Assistant] Be close once the score and got to overtime somehow. Uh, Tennessee won in Houston, nearly won in Kansas City with Willis at quarterback. I'm not writing them off as a win here, even though he's not going to do anything as a passer. I mean, with the weather, you probably don't want him doing much as a passer anyway. So I think Titans will win. I think this number got a little too far down. I would have left it at the four and a half, five range.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you see all they have to do is win the last game at Jacksonville, but if they lose back to back, especially one of them to Houston, at home with Malik Willis at quarterback, they don't feel good going into that Jacksonville game, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Chiefs gave out 52 points combined at Denver and Houston last two weeks. I mean, what are you doing? If you're, you're supposed to be a Super Bowl contender, you just can't do that against those two teams. They need to stop turning the ball over, give team short fields like they did to Denver to let them back in that game.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with Seattle, the only game Seattle's lost by more than seven were against the elite San Francisco defense. The Chiefs aren't at that level right now.


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[Assistant] I think they can backdoor cover if they need it. 10 is way too many now that it's, it's got up to 10. My lead is to Seattle. I'm probably going to play Seattle. I just want to see if it goes up anymore. 10 and a half would be great to get here, even though my power ratings say the line should be a little higher. I just think Seattle has backdoor potential with Gino, even when Tyler lock it out and the Chiefs defense isn't playing well enough to cover these big numbers.


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[Assistant] I am at 11 and a half. Uhm, I have the Chiefs as, uhm, let me look at it right now. I have the Chiefs as seven and a half points above average, Seattle at minus two and a half because that defense is playing bad. They have the locket injury and then you throw in Chiefs home field that gets it to 11 and a half for me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my lean is Washington plus seven, just with such a low total. It's, I think it's hard to cover a big number. Washington's offense having trouble scoring touchdowns consistently, and they're up against this elite San Francisco defensive he's talking about. But Washington's defense is getting Chase Young back. First game that's going to give them a lift, uhm, having him back on the field. And they already having given up more than 21 points since week four.


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[Assistant] So I don't think the San Francisco offense could run away even without Chase Young on the field. That's going to make it difficult for Purdy. He's been good. Uhm, so, you know, I thought maybe he'd come back to earth on the road in his first road start last week. Didn't really happen, so I'm not.


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[Assistant] projecting he's going to be terrible or anything. I just think that Washington defense is good enough to, to make this total seem, you know, right, you know, at 37 and a half now. And it's just hard to cover that big of a number here. So I think Washington could score 13 and just play good defense and maybe cover this number. So I would lean Washington, but I don't have it as a best bet.


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[Assistant] It's, it's gonna be cold below freezing temperatures. Derek Carr is terrible below 40 degrees, uhm, and especially below freezing. Four starts in his career, lost all of them, stat, statistics are bad. I don't know that the wind's gonna be as massive as in other games. I believe it's projected in that 10 to 15 mile an hour range.


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[Assistant] I have Steelers minus two and a half is the best bet. Can't wait for that George Pickens massive catch that he's gonna make and everybody's gonna, Franco Harris, Immaculate Reception, yadda yadda, and then George Pickens is just gonna have like.


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[Assistant] The best catch of the year, you know, you know, he's going to be feeling it there. New England's offense ran all over Vegas's defense. Pittsburgh's offense has 150 plus rush yards, three other last four. The run game should be better with Kenny Pickett back under center here as well.


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[Assistant] Vegas defense excelled on third down against New England, 2 of 13. Pittsburgh's offense was 12 of 16 on third down versus Carolina and their eighth on third down rate on the year, so I think they have the edge here.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh's defense elite versus the run, that puts the ball in Carr's hands where he's, you know, terrible in freezing temperatures. Pittsburgh also has the huge coaching advantage here, even though, um, you know, Mc, McAnnuals is kind of hit or miss in terms of coaching. You kind of need somebody to, to, to melt away on the other side of the field for him to get a win, uh, like in that Patriots game. So I think everything points here to Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] So I think Pittsburgh wins this game, minus two and a half. Love that it's down to two and a half again. Uhm, so I have it as the best bet.


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[Assistant] Arguments for both sides here, my power rating has Miami minus six, so that would want, I'm leaning that way, but I just don't want to lock it in, uhm, with Miami playing well below where, uh, and that rating is, is, I had it a lot higher, uhm, a few weeks back when Tua was healthy and still concerns with him, I mean, they didn't need not to do a ton in that Buffalo game, it was all the ground game.


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[Assistant] And Green Bay is 30th in rush yards for play on defense against the run. So I think they should go back to that. They had a similar matchup advantage against the Chargers there and they didn't take advantage of it. So who knows if that's going to be the plan.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Green Bay's offense wasn't that impressive against the Rams, but of course, like you said, sat on the lead. Uhm, Miami's defense could leave the back door open. That's why I didn't want to make it a best bet at minus four, but if it gets down to three and a half, I'm going to be thinking about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if it gets to three, I like the Rams too. I have them as a teaser. I'm teasing them with both the Bucks in one teaser and the Saints in the other teaser. Denver was losing six to three at home at halftime to a bad Arizona defense. Cold McCoy gets hurt early third quarter. They're able to.


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[Assistant] To win that game, you know, when the Arizona kind of gives up second time in a row and their quarterback gets hurt.


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[Assistant] Ram's offense, just 156 yards against the media of Green Bay defense. That Baker buzz.


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[Assistant] Seem to be premature, died down pretty quickly after that game. Uhm, but if McVeigh isn't an awful coach, if he's a good coach, like Pete's saying, Rams have the coaching advantage here and they have home field advantage. Uhm, and I don't think you can lay points with Denver on the road with how they've played this year. So I think the best best to tease the Rams up to eight and a half. And if it does get to three, I would like the Rams then.


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[Assistant] Problem is those turnovers on those four consecutive drives, they allowed 24 points on just 96 yards. And you're not going to do that against the Cardinals. Tampa Bay's offense, not going to turn over the ball a ton here against a mediocre Arizona defense that's toast. Nothing to play for third string quarterback in. Mixed early has three interceptions and 29 pass attempts. It was bad in the preseason.


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[Assistant] So I mean, this is Tampa Bay defensive touchdown and covering pretty easily, I think. Um, but at seven and a half, I would have laid it, you know, before it got to the seven and a half. Arizona one and six at home down to third string quarterback. They're going to get hammered. Um, so tease it, tease it with the Rams, tease it with the Saints. And those are my three teasers.


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[Assistant] Have we seen, have we seen Tom Brady at any point this year? Physically, it is Tom Brady. The person inhabiting that body is Tom Brady, correct? But I just...


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[Assistant] Buffalo's won by more than eight just once since week eight. Their defense struggled with Miami's rush offense. I don't know what they're going to do against their Chicago rush offense. So I would lean to the Bears. I would lean to the Under.


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[Assistant] I dropped Philly to plus three in my power rating, still seems kind of high. I had them as number one team in the league. Let's see, plus three seems high, that's where I have San Francisco. And I just, I don't know if you can argue that Brock Purdy's better than Garner Minshew. You know, just, he has the experience.


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[Assistant] He's been able to win games there. To me, that rating makes the line minus six, so slight value on the Cowboys at this number. But I just think that the supporting cast is so good around Garderman, Chiu, and Philly both on offense and defense, even if he's not running the same offense.


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[Assistant] It's just, they can't be laying that many points. So I would lean to Philly at plus five and a half. Third straight road game for Philly, but they can cover against the spreadest dogs. Miami just did that against Buffalo when they were, they were laying too many points or catching too many points in that game.


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[Assistant] Chargers' biggest winning margin since week four is six points, and that week four game was against the Texans. They just unable to blow out teams. They play down to the level of competition all the time. And you can stick a fork in Indy after that historic collapse. No Taylor at running back, changing quarterbacks. Uhm, but the Chargers just don't run away from teams. Uh, so I don't see Indy scoring a lot here, so I'm just gonna assume Chargers don't score a lot. My lean would be to the under.


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[Assistant] Yeah, since he is plus one and a half at home against Buffalo, since he's 11 and one against his friend, like I said earlier, I don't see why they're home dogs against anyone, even against Buffalo. I have him as a half point behind Buffalo in power ratings getting one and a half points for home field. It should be minus one. I don't see how, how they should be underdogs, especially one and a half, um, in that matchup.


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[Assistant] One forty, one sixty, somewhere around there, but I'd rather just do three, three legs, expect to win at least two of them and be positive anyway.


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[Assistant] In the red zone, Jalen hurts Russ for what, 11 yards and trucked a guy and, and got the first down. So I think it was, they were leaving it up to Jalen's discretion. Like if you need to run, run, but always protect yourself, protect yourself as much as you can. I don't think that they, but I don't think that they changed anything. Like I don't think it was like any new scheme. I think they just carried it how they did all season.


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[Assistant] I think for me personally, I learned how good of a coach Nick Sariani is. Like getting his guys ready to play after, you know, a week off and I mean something not, not all teams can do that. Not all coaches can get their team prepared and ready and we've seen the Eagles.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeah, tonight he didn't necessarily have to run, but I mean, let's, let's look back.


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[Assistant] And he was talking about getting freaky, the whole Eagles team that tonight got freaky. Like you can talk about three different players on the Eagles offense, scoring three, three touchdowns. You could also talk about the defense, getting the interception and also getting five sex, which is the most sex they've gotten in a postseason game.


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I don't disagree. They obviously did not, you know, they didn't want to get injured, but at the same time, Miles Sanders was able to run all over this team. Boston, Scott, my prop bet of, you know, Boston, Scott, anytime touchdown hit, you're welcome. Everyone. I hope you took it. Thanks for saying that.


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[Assistant] I did say that on the bet show, and you said it as well. It came out of your mind. I don't know if you remember, but.


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[Assistant] It ends up on the exact number. That is crazy. Vegas is sick, man. I took, uhm, I took Travis Etienne receiving yards over at 18 and a half. He had 18 receiving yards. I just don't understand it. I don't understand how they do it.


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[Assistant] Eagles performance, yea, they obviously dominate, yes. But how does this performance and how does this team rank up to either the Cowboys or the 49ers? Like, I mean, me personally, I just feel like I'm not really worried.


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[Assistant] If the, if the, if the Niners beat the Cowboys and then go. I'm not saying the Niners are getting the points. I'm saying the Eagles are, are, are getting the points. I'm saying, I'm saying that the Eagles.


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[Assistant] The 49ers are, the 49ers getting Brock Purdy and having him be a success is like getting a hoopie for your first car in Atlanta in 20 years.


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[Assistant] For instance, you gotta relax with the, eagles are gonna obliterate the cowboys. You're just jinxing us and like, I just, I don't.


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[Assistant] Well to answer Breach's question though, like when you're going against an MVP candidate, you know, you gotta kinda take chances. He's not really a candidate.


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[Assistant] Myself, Ryan Wilson, John breach. I say I pause on daily because with the first pick is going two times a week.


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[Assistant] It's actually after the, after the draft is done, you're going to do a new podcast called with the first take. It's going to be you and Pete Prisker debating, uh, which draft class was the best.


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[Assistant] I, I, I will say I watched, uh, you and Rick Spielman the other day on with the first pick and you were obnoxiously on point, just very precise, doing your reads, going through everything, setting Rick up perfectly. And I was like, what does this guy think he's like Chris Corciani? Okay. Oh, Hey, that's just rude. By the way, it's a compliment. I love courts. Course of my boy. Hey, bridge. What's up, buddy?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna tell you something. This podcast can be tight to be concise. It's gonna be precise.


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[Assistant] And it's too hot in my house to be wearing a coat right now. It's 80 degrees to Raleigh right now. It's February, man. What are we even doing?


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[Assistant] You can see if I start typing. I mean, I mean, you just said it's cold, so I'll say 55? 27. What?! It is, I'm not kidding, it is 80 degrees here right now. We believe you. I forgot Billy moved to Charlotte.


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[Assistant] I sure know what we're doing. We're going to tighten this podcast up and make sure we're out by 1 30 so we can go jogging.


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[Assistant] Don't, don't get, don't get in these comments complaining about Lamar. It's all the tag. This is basically a tag primer, a franchise tag primer, but we're trying to make it fun.


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[Assistant] So we're going to pretend that we're going to like pretend like, like Wilson will be a G, but be like Eric Picasso of the Ravens and I'll be a Jared Jones, et cetera, et cetera.


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[Assistant] We're trying to make it fun. So we're just not going through the rigmarole of the tag preview. We'll start in Baltimore. By the way, Eric DeCosta, I heard you have a new podcast. So Ryan Wilson, you are Eric DeCosta Lamar Jackson. Do you tag him? Yes or no?


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[Assistant] So, so Breach, I think, and Wilson answered this from a DeCosta standpoint, I think, like, I want you to answer it from a Bengals, like, guy standpoint, like, Bengals fan standpoint.


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[Assistant] What do you want? Like, cause I was shocked. I texted a commander's fan and a Panthers fan. They were like, give two picks right now for Lamar.


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[Assistant] Like as a Bengals fan, do you want Lamar in the division or out?


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[Assistant] Let me ask you guys this. That's a good argument from the bingo's perspective because you have until July like 15th ish to negotiate a new deal. Lamar ain't doing a new deal if you exclusive.


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[Assistant] So it's really interesting because the Deshaun Watson thing happened in a really, really, really rare vacuum where the all field stuff and the team wanted to trade him. And you have this Lucy goosey.


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[Assistant] Maniac. Jimmy has it. What'd he say when he bought the team? He's like, I fired up to the max.


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[Assistant] I liked him. I'm an idiot. I fell for that guy. Um, but he's, I'm fired up to the max. He trades and gives us all watching this contract. And then the next guy up is Lamar Jackson, who's a rating or like a former MVP with no agent.


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[Assistant] So there's nobody to like finesse the deal and make it work where he's like, all right, uh, we'll just, we'll take this like the most guaranteed money over like new money. Like he's like, I just want more than what Deshaun got.


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[Assistant] I'd love to give you 50 million and it's not a real 50 million jump in there and do it. If you're the big ones in the chargers. All right. Moving on.


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[Assistant] This guy, things went so poorly, this guy had to get glasses.


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[Assistant] I Joe Shane have to decide. Do I tag Daniel Jones?


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[Assistant] Do you remember earlier this season where like, well, Daniel Jones is playing really good football. He's going to get $30 million a year. Like that makes total sense. If you go and look at who makes $30 million a year. That's Andy Dalton money. It's Carson Wentz money.


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[Assistant] That dude ain't taking less than Carson Wentz. He ain't taking less than Jared Golf. He ain't taking less than...


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[Assistant] He can't take less than that Prescott in his own division. It's a principality of it. All right. So what are you doing, Joe? I am what I'm doing is offering Daniel Jones.


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[Assistant] A $44.9 million per year contract. Hear me out.


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[Assistant] And drop that little puppy on Saquon Barkley because I got two tags.


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[Assistant] Okay, no one ever uses two tags, but you can transition tag. Yeah. And then you got


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[Assistant] If you franchise tag Daniel Jones and transition tag Saquon Barkley, you make ownership happy. You keep those two core first round players intact and then you just kind of figure it out. If Daniel Jones doesn't want to sign a deal, look.


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[Assistant] You bring in the, the morrows and the tissues or the merrows and the tissues, however you pronounce it, and you say, listen, anal, we took your six overall.


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[Assistant] You're going to have to just sign this $40 million a year contract, pal.


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[Assistant] To me, it's either you work a deal out with Daniel Jones and then you tag Saquon or you don't get the deal done with Daniel and you franchise tag him and then you try to figure out what you want. You could transition tag if you want to.


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[Assistant] Off of the roster. He is going to stay as a New York giant. They took him sixth overall and he finds him. Well, Carson Wentz went second or whatever.


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[Assistant] But, but, but he finally played really well when they had a decent coaching staff and not Jason Garrett and Joe Judge. Yeah, but what does that have to do with the salary?


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[Assistant] Now, is it unfortunate that you were dumb enough to not pick the fifth year option? Yes.


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[Assistant] He is arguably one of the cornerstones of your defense, but you're too cheap to pay him. Are you going to franchise tag him a second time?


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[Assistant] I feel like Mike Brown's the type of dude to be like, well, we're just going to let him skedaddle.


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[Assistant] The, the safety free agent market is always interesting too, because like, you don't know if it's going to be, sometimes it's robust and then sometimes it's very.


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[Assistant] You guys also said like that, didn't you say that?


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[Assistant] And then he got tagged. I mean, like, clearly this is a guy who's like, look, just give me my money.


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[Assistant] Like give me my average annual value of the safety money and the bingles are too frugal to do it. Well here's the thing.


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[Assistant] And in fact, you are Harry Roseman for this exercise. Uh, you and I were talking about it. That was like...


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[Assistant] Cause I was reading, uh, Jeff Kerr's article. He's who do you say they were going to tag as a James Bradbury? But as you point out, there's like.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, like I don't feel like they're a very like taggy organization like that. I don't know. Like they don't strike me as a team that would pay $18 million for one year with James Bradbury.


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[Assistant] You said you, you said you fought in Hargrave, not in Hargrave, right?


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[Assistant] If you were just in a vacuum, you might go Hargrave over see, uh, uh, Chelsea go to Johnson, but that defense when Chelsea go to Johnson got hurt took a nose dive on the backside.


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[Assistant] You can go, you can go get like, you can go get guys in the interior. I feel like, and now obviously it changes with your defensive coordinator gone and you know, you're retooling things, but like, like, I feel like how he values CJ, uh, I always mess up his initials.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree, I don't disagree with you in like, in terms of what...


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[Assistant] And again, like you pointed out, like the buzz is that they're going to go to Chelsea Gardner Johnson. I would guess they tag Chelsea Gardner Johnson, try to do something with Hargrave knowing that they've drafted and


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[Assistant] Like again, you know, co- Fletcher Cox is a free agent. Sue's a free agent.


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[Assistant] Obviously Linville Joe's a free agent, but like you can, you can find big bodies to pair up with the outside exterior rushers. Preach and Wilson, any thoughts on there?


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[Assistant] Now, again, no disagreement. I think it is interesting though, like, if...


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[Assistant] This is where GM's make their money too. They like, they're talking to these agents and like, Howie Roseman knows explicitly who he's more likely to sign.


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[Assistant] Hargrave or Charles Gordon Johnson. And so like if he, if he thinks he can sign Hargrave


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[Assistant] But he knows he can't sign CJJ or Chauncey. I don't know why he tried to do the initials. If he, if he, if he thinks, if he knows he can't sign Chauncey, but he thinks he can sign Hargrave, he's probably going to tag Chauncey.


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[Assistant] And like just try to make, make it work with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I do agree with that. They have a lot of dudes who are free agents.


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[Assistant] Very interesting situation for your hour, actually.


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[Assistant] I'm out now. You're a Philadelphia Eagles. All right, we're gonna take a break and when we come up after the break, we will talk about, did I say we're gonna talk about? Oh, I know.


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[Assistant] Breach and Wally Zerbiak and our pal Eric Kaye represent the second most


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[Assistant] Whatever, get out of here. They totally stink, bro. They stink. 82 is forever, baby. We honored the 83 team at the first game on Wednesday night. Anywho, I'm Jerry Jones.


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[Assistant] I didn't really feel like doing a Jerry Jones impersonation to be honest, but I'll try. So listen, here's the deal. I had to deal with Tony Pollard, Dalton Schultz. Tag, tied in last week, last year, whatever.


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[Assistant] Now, Tony Pollard, hey listen, Tony, man, you busted up your leg pretty good, man. You're pretty banged up.


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[Assistant] We got Zeke here. Zeke, man, Zeke's only making $53 million in the next four years. I mean, that ain't enough to sneeze at, buddy.


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[Assistant] They should cut Zeke. He has no guaranteed money left on his deal. They won't do it.


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[Assistant] The least tradable contract on the planet. He has no guaranteed money left. Cut Zeke, tag Tony, signed Dalton Schultz. If I were a Jones guy, Jones family member, that's what I would do. Let's say you guys.


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[Assistant] Did I read that? I swear to God, I saw it. Somebody was like, it's $53 million left with zero guarantees.


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[Assistant] So you gotta deal with the cap hit. Yea, they'll keep it for one more year, then get rid of it.


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[Assistant] Redo Zeke's deal to make him Zeke hang around for like the next three or four years and then use that money to pay Tony Pollard a franchise tax.


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[Assistant] I mean, you would save almost $5 million by getting rid of Z.


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[Assistant] I mean, to me, it's a no-brainer. I think I knew what we would do. And I think what Jerry Jones will do is completely different.


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[Assistant] You can also lowball Tony by the way he's hurt. I mean, that's probably what they'll do to it.


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[Assistant] I think the Cowboys will, the Cowboys have not not screwed up the franchise tag each of the last five years.


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[Assistant] Exactly. They will do something stupid with it. Brian Wilson, you are Brett Veitch slash Andy Reid. You've tagged Orlando Brown, who, uh, by the way,


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[Assistant] Has some very explicit t-shirts that he likes to tweet out. You can tag him again.


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[Assistant] After winning the super bowl, you doubled down or you try and go in the draft. What do you do? Do you tag him? Yes or no.


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[Assistant] They gave him a first round pick for him because he wouldn't play right tackle for the Ravens. So they brought him over to play left tackle there.


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[Assistant] Well, and related around too, like, as we point out, he, uh, you know, he goes for Billy.


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[Assistant] Don't think that term did suck. Uhm, like, or later Brown.


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[Assistant] Did the tag last year after refusing to play right tackle for the Ravens because you wanted to get left tackle money.


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[Assistant] After his second tag, when he hits free agency breach, which I mean, 27 year old, like like multiple pro bowl.


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[Assistant] Superbowl winning left tackle for one of the best offices in football. He's getting paid in free agency.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, they gave up picks for him too, like high picks. So you can't just like, well, there was a nice rental. Let's let it walk. Um,


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[Assistant] I'm already mad about this. If, if, sir, you're the Raiders GM slash Joshua Daniels, whoever brain choice you want to be. Josh Jacobs just had an incredible season and he actually told CBS Sports, AKA me.


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[Assistant] That he wasn't even mad that they didn't pick up his fifth year option. You know what he's mad about?


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[Assistant] You have a disrespected Josh Jacobs who ran angry all year long.


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[Assistant] Um, I, I am, I didn't like Josh Jacobs, like just, just generally. I mean, I went a huge Josh Jacobs guy. He interviewing him at the Superbowl.


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[Assistant] I made Josh Jacobs guy through and through forever. He is hilarious.


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[Assistant] I deeply regret not being a Josh Jacobs guy from jump street. He is an outstanding human and also I was like, who's the worst bleep talker in the NFL? What do you think he said?


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[Assistant] Who is it? Imagine the one name Josh Jacobs could say that would make my heart sing. Philip Rivers. The worst.


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[Assistant] I don't know, man. Like they, they, I mean, I don't know. It feels like they're trying to like just completely offload all the Mayok Gruden draft picks and players.


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[Assistant] And also, I will say that, like, we got nothing to lose. That was my favorite interview I've done so far this week. I was like, yes, yes.


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[Assistant] Shout out to Robbie Snyder and our social media team for actually making me look smart. Uh, do you want to do these last two or no?


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[Assistant] One of the downsides of the blue light glasses, you actually can't read anything on your computer. That's sad. Yes.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I'm, I was, I actually was, was doing, I was debating, I was like, should I, you know what, I'm Marty Herney.


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[Assistant] Hi Marty. There's multiple members of the Washington front office. It's hard to decide who's in charge. All right, we'll be Marty. There's Marty Herney. There's Martin Mayhew. Ron Rivera.


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[Assistant] That is rude. I'm Marty Herdy. Deron Payne is up for the tag. This is a no brainer. Tagging, tagging Deron Payne all day long. Yes or no?


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[Assistant] Like I think it's the easiest tag of the entire like off season. This is a guy who's a former first round pick who has been dominant on the interior. Doesn't get huge money. Plays for a guy in Ron Rivera who loves


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[Assistant] Not the Hogmaul, he's just not a Dave Kettleman type, but like, he wants to, he wants this big body defensive lineman. This is a no-brainer to me.


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[Assistant] This one kind of threw me for a loop and I was like, why are you just thinking about like guys you might tag? I mean.


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[Assistant] If you'd said a year ago that you're tagging Evan Ingram on the Jaguars, I don't think many people would have expected that.


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[Assistant] Also, I mean, look, I love Trayvon Walker, made me a bunch of money, but Aidan Hudson was pretty good as well.


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[Assistant] Well you pretend you're, you're Eugene Searle Smith III. And John Breach is John Schneider.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's sort of the same thing as Daniel Jones, right? Reach where it's like, you know, Geno's like, how dare you? Well, I mean.


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[Assistant] He says, I want 30 plus million dollars. You're like, here's the deal. You're just getting tagged. You're being tagged and we're done here.


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[Assistant] Obviously there's risks that come into play, but I mean, how many dudes get hurt to the point where they can't ever play football ever again? It's very, very


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[Assistant] But I've seen like whatever Gino or Daniel Jones plays on for one year and a fully guaranteed contract is probably.


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[Assistant] Better than whatever their three year deal they would, cause it's a five year deal, but really a three year deal and like a bunch of incentives and stuff. Like it's fully guaranteed, man. And it's, it's a ton of money. Like it ain't like, it ain't nothing to sneeze at. I don't, and you're one year away from getting the free agency. Now with Gino is a little different cause he's obviously older.


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[Assistant] You're it. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. For Breach. For Wilson. I'm Brinson. We'll get Breach some glasses next time.


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[Assistant] Good talk to you. You don't have to. It's your show.


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[Assistant] So Breach, I made this note midway through the second quarter when the ass whooping appeared to be getting out of hand. I said, uh, charging.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this. I think I pinpointed the exact moment where this game was lost. And I didn't feel great about it at the time, but I, you know, I'm a Brandon Staley supporter and I love Justin Herbert, even though I didn't love him coming out because of his last year at Oregon.


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[Assistant] Sort of backing, uh, backing up the, the last, the point that Princeton just made there before that last touchdown drive, the Jaguar score before the half. Third and one, at the Charters 27, all you have to do is run a Justin Herbert sneak. They run some stupid ass end around with Bandy, who fumbles the ball because it looked like he didn't want it. And the ball goes back.


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[Assistant] How many yards did they lose? They lose enough yards that they have to pawn on fourth and 11. So they lose 10 yards in that stupid play. Then they pawn, and then the next few plays, the Jaguars get in for that touchdown. I think that play there, they sneak for first down.


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[Assistant] Not only do they not allow the Jaguar to score a touchdown, maybe they get a fuel out of it, uh, who knows? It'll be the 27 yard line, two minutes to go. What, what do you think about that theory?


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[Assistant] This was second quarter, with two minutes to go, third and one, two twenty-six to go, third and one, Justin Hubbard's understated.


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[Assistant] That drive where the, you mentioned that they punted from 38 yard line on their first drive the second half.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Jaguars lead the league with points to start the second half. They had 67 points throughout the season.


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[Assistant] Uh, that second half, their first drive, 89 yards, touchdown, 27-14. And still, there's five minutes to go in third quarter, so you feel like the advantage is hugely favoring the chargers. Uh, but as you know, Breach, they, they found ways to, new and exciting ways to charger it up.


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[Assistant] Briggs, you can go first, because I'm jaded by my love of that man.


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[Assistant] Let me say quickly though, sorry to interrupt, Mike Florio said before the game, there's a 50-50 chance that Sean Payton comes back. Now this, the percentages may obviously change after he watched what we all watched too.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me, let me ask you, let me ask you two things that may move your, your number.


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[Assistant] So Albert Breer reported last week that, um, Sean Payton may want to bring his own guys. That includes Jeff Ireland and Ryan Pace. And also you have to pay a first round pick was the report from maybe Nick Underhill.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, that's a short, it's a short list. I mean, you can save your breath, but I mean, I get all that, but you're giving up a lot. And I mean, I get it. Like it's hard to defend.


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[Assistant] Maybe they give up a 2024 pick. I'm not sure what the math is on that, but I, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Maybe champagne's worth it, but I- I mean, Breach went through his- his-


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[Assistant] Year to year stats, I think on a recent podcast. Wasn't like he won 12 games every year. He had like 2 or 3, 7 and 9s back to back to back.


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[Assistant] But over the course of the season, the conversation was that the play calling was dog doo-doo, right?


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[Assistant] Again, part of the reason is uhm, I like Brandon Saleh. The other part of the reason is the 20 million per year. I looked it up and no one seems to know, but the, the guess on the gossip sites is between four and five million a year. So Brandon Saleh makes who knows what he actually makes. And then of course, are you going to restart with the front office?


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[Assistant] Which means a whole new coaching staff and all that comes with it. I don't know. It's expensive. It's really expensive. No, I think it's actually, it could be not necessarily set back, but next year might be.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, a wash in that they might win eight or nine games and then.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this quickly. Would you rather have all the things that you two guys want in terms of a, of a rebuild starring Sean Payton, all that cost? Or would you rather just have Frank Rock be the OC?


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[Assistant] I'm not, I'm not even, I'm not going to complain about the officiating because I didn't think that, I didn't think there was any past interference in the, in the first half. And while, um, Joanne Taylor was clearly false starting on that touchdown at the end, the charters put themselves in that position. And by the way, Joey Bosa, um, the first


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[Assistant] I don't know what Joey Bosa said obviously, but just let him walk off the field. You don't have to chase him down. It's one of those sort of soccer officiating things where you try to make a spectacle of the player. The second one is Joey Bosa keep your helmet on and then go paddle on the sidelines because that also costs them and allow them to go for the two points from the one yard line that obviously.


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[Assistant] But I think the slap in the face to that breach is that we don't care about analytics because you guys are, you guys are so living in your fears of quote Mike Tomlin that we could actually turn around and pump the ball backwards and be down four and we're still going to beat you pretty soundly.


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[Assistant] You think Urban Meyer watched this game? I'm guessing he turned it off at halftime laughing hysterically.


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[Assistant] I think it was clear. Like, I think that's why there wasn't expedited, because it was hard to see initially.


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[Assistant] I don't think it was initially clear. I didn't blame Doug Peterson, I didn't blame the guys upstairs because it was hard to see and by the time they replayed it, and Brandon Staley should bring this up at his exit interview, I hustled to the line and snapped that ball before they had a chance to look at it because that's one of the few positives, perhaps the only positive that happened in the second half for the Chargers.


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[Assistant] By the way, uhm, Albin B in the comments makes a fantastic point. I made a note of this. And, you know, I was talking about Joey Bosa getting all these personal foul penalties.


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[Assistant] I tell you what, he and uh, oh, Cleo Mack didn't show up. Cleo Mack had a sack in the first half, I think, but they were, they were doing a disappearing act in the second half. Like they were nowhere to be seen. And a lot of times, I don't know if it was because Bosa was still nursing the injury, he was on the, on the sidelines. So,


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[Assistant] You know, they spent all offseason getting Khalil Mack, they traded for him, I think a second on Pick, whatever it was. He was supposed to be an integral part of, of helping that defense reform.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Thurman James got turned around a few times in the second half and not, not his fault that they lost, but things like you're, the guys you're paying a lot of money. You like them to step up like it in the first half. And that's the reason I made that note when we came into the podcast, like this defense seems to experience to, to melt.


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[Assistant] And man, their faces got melted off and just drive after drive. And to your point, Brenton, Doug Peterson ran circles around Brandon Saley. At no point did Doug Peterson look nervous, uh, worried, upset in the final 30 minutes and...


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[Assistant] I'll take Devo. Devo had three rushes for 33 yards and then dealt the damage to the air when 33 to the air. But I mean, I don't think you can get wrong with any of them. Breach, you want the kicker? You want, uh, old man? What's his name?


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[Assistant] But it does the opposite of worrying me, it makes you feel better, because Brock already got all the nerves out, settled down, and then let his, uh,


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[Assistant] The, the way they use the draft or even sometimes signing players, but end season.


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[Assistant] As long as Kyle Shanahan's dialing up plays and they have the guys that you mentioned, even without the quarterback, they're good to go. Uh, Breach will have a million days and hours to talk about this, but what, what are you doing with old, uh, Trelands? Once we get to, uh, March.


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[Assistant] Trey Lance, Carolina Panthers starting quarterback in 2023.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, as Princeton noted, the Seahawks are waiting at halftime in part because Brock Pardee played like he was a rookie seventh rounder. So yeah, it could certainly happen. You don't want them playing from behind.


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[Assistant] Hi guys, Stephen O with Sportsline, uh, just sent out the email of the updated NFL futures. Who do you think has the best Super Bowl odds in the NFC right now?


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[Assistant] 23% chance, uh, versus 15% chance for Billy's Eagles followed by...


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[Assistant] Minnesota and Tampa Bay are both at 2.1% of the next highest team, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is what we, Breach and I were getting on you about in the middle of the season. Like, this would be a terrible season for the Vikings. This is an absolute grand slam for the Seahawks. And it absolutely rubs salt in the Russ Wilson wound. And Russ Wilson's wound, I should say. Uhm, and one thing I'll add, our guy Joel Corey, former agent who writes for CBS,


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[Assistant] About agent related stuff and contracts. He tweeted out during this game.


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[Assistant] That uh, so Russell Wilson's deal with the Broncos says he's worth 49 million per year.


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[Assistant] And then he goes on to say that Gino should be looking in the 35-ish million per year range, at least to ask. Now Gino said there was reports during the game that Gino said he's going to make a business decision. He would love to come back to Seattle, but he ain't playing, uh, for cheap. So Breach, if you're the Seahawks and Gino says, I want 35, what are you saying?


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[Assistant] They're getting more and more next year for Russ, right? Uhm, I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] But here, let me, let me update this quickly before we leave. Remember before the season we did our Super Bowl pool. Oh yeaah. Uh, the Wilson update. I had the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] These are the teams that are still alive, the Chiefs, the Vikings, and the Dolphins, and my teams that are out, the Broncos, the Donkeys, and the Rams. Uh, Breach, your teams that are still in, the Bengals and the Cowboys. Okay.


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[Assistant] Britson's team still in it. The Ravens, the Eagles, and the Jaguars. God, they should have been out. And his teams are out of the Colts and the Saints. And finally, Caleb. Is Caleb C-Rap? Or is C-Rap last year? Who did it? It's Caleb in the chat. Oh, Caleb. Okay.


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[Assistant] I need Miami to win. Caleb's in the chat. He, he identified himself so I can knock Caleb's bills out with that Dolphins win. So I got, I got some work to do.


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[Assistant] Ryan, I would like to congratulate you. I thought we were going to spend the whole podcast breaking down all 282 of your picks this year and go through while you're better than us and you could have walked us through them. We have better things to do. I talk about the playoffs and talking about the draft and talking about every crazy thing that happened today, including, uh, the Seahawks somehow getting to the playoffs without Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] Wilson's gonna keep bragging about this and they're gonna give him a gambling podcast. So I'd be careful, Wilson. Be careful.


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[Assistant] Yes. Look, I will say to me that struck me as we have seen multiple time and time again how after Tom Brady loses, he doesn't want to shake your hand. He wants nothing to do with you. He would rather, uh,


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[Assistant] Go get in a car and never talk to you again than shake your hand before walking off the field. So that's what it felt like with Rogers. Kind of 50% of me thought, you know what, Rogers.


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[Assistant] Seems like a guy who is not happy with losing. Uh, Jamal Williams is an ex teammate and he's like, yeah, man, I'm not giving you a Jersey right now, but I do agree that, you know, there is.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, James, okay, either way, it's, it's, you're not giving your jersey away because hey, yeaah, no, I'm not giving it to you, I just lost, I'm upset, get away from me, that's my exact thought, and so, but yeaah, definitely, I think there is that, that


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[Assistant] You can't help but think that, that Rodgers is thinking, you know what, maybe I'm going to hold onto this one just in case this was the last game I ever play in the NFL. But man, uh, if it is not a great way to go out because he made some disastrous throws and even got bailed, you know, through one interception got bailed out in another interception.


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[Assistant] Those lines got called for illegal hands to the face, but if you're the Packers, uh, Jared Goff was the better quarterback in this game. I think that's the bottom line. And so that's a big reason why the Lions won.


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[Assistant] Is Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay? What's the story there? You know what? Just the Lions. It's the Lions.


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[Assistant] Uh, so, I mean, that was just a bone, boneheaded play. That's, that is a play you cannot make.


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[Assistant] But let me ask this about Quaywalkers. He's gone. Bye Brinton.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, if there is one week in NFL history where you don't want to be caught pushing a trainer, uh, it was absolutely this week. And so I do agree with you. I don't think he knew who he was pushing. He just felt that he got kind of tugged in the back and just instantly responded thinking.


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[Assistant] It was a Lions player and not a Lions trainer and the ref just kind of like almost was shocked at what he just saw reaching for like, I got to throw a flag here. I mean, I don't know what else to do.


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[Assistant] Uh, so it's just, I mean, a dumb penalty in a dumb situation and when you're looking at


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[Assistant] Between that and the Douglas penalty, I mean, the Packers just imploded. I think we do agree


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[Assistant] When you have two dumb penalties, those kind of things can be the difference in something like this. And now Ryan, and now Ryan, your buddy. Which one? Eugene Cyril.


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[Assistant] Smith the third. I've been trying to memorize that. All season is headed to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] I would just say if you're the Lions owners, there is nothing that was more impressive knowing that your team has nothing to play for. They cannot get to the playoffs.


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[Assistant] It is, uh, all about just being the Packers, beating your hated rival, knocking them out of the playoffs. And the fact that Dan Campbell had that team ready to play no matter what. And they, they, you know, I thought there might be some shock because of the way the Seahawks won that maybe the Lions would be, I know some of the Lions players were claiming they didn't follow the game. They knew, like somebody told them everyone knew what that game name.


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[Assistant] Right, right, right. And so, you know, just because of the way the Seahawks won, so the Lions got eliminated in kind of a shocking fashion, and so I thought maybe they'd come out a little flat, but that just wasn't the case. I mean, they were ready to play, and that's a testament to just Dan Campbell being the craziest coach in the world.


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[Assistant] When that game got canceled, the NFL said, Hey, look, the bills had the, they were in the driver's seat for the one seed. They are not anymore because the games canceled. So what we're going to do is let them play a neutral site, AFC championship. I don't mind that. I don't mind that. Hold on. Well, let me finish. So what they should have also done here.


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[Assistant] What they should have also done is that going into week 17, the Bengals were in the driver's seat for the number two seat. If they beat Buffalo.


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[Assistant] The Bills lost the one seed and he shot the one seed really. Bengals lost the shot the two seed and getting the two seed is a big deal. So, you know, once the Chiefs won Saturday, once he didn't, the Bengals should not have been really involved in that and they weren't unless, you know, Chiefs and Bills both lost.


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[Assistant] The NFL didn't really think it out. They said, all right, it's good for the chiefs who got the biggest benefit. It's good for somewhat good for the bills, but they lose track of the number one seed. Although now keep in mind the bills.


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[Assistant] With, and the whole situation the past week with class went out, got their business done, and that's what they needed to do.


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[Assistant] I was Joe Mixon, he scored from the one yard line, he had a coin in his glove, he pulled it out and he flipped it because he was trolling the NFL, mocking the NFL and so when a lot of people


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[Assistant] Well, a lot of people thought that he was, I think, uh, Red Zone, I think it was Scott Hanson, and thought it was a mock coin, like he was doing a mock flip, but he had actually pulled a real coin out of his glove and flipped it, and it was hilarious, and good for you Joe Mixon. And you know what, the Bengals are playing with a chip on their shoulder now, so,


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[Assistant] It doesn't even matter and you're gonna have to beat the Bills, you're gonna have to beat the Chiefs, you're gonna have to beat the best teams if you're gonna get to the Superbowl. So, uh, you know, this team's gonna be angry going forward and maybe it's not the worst thing.


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[Assistant] Well, Joe Mixon talked to Ocho. So he, he did it and he even said after the game that, Hey, look, uh, I know I'm going to get fine for this, but Ocho is going to take care of it. Chad Johnson is going to take care of it. So we're good.


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[Assistant] And you know what, you remember the greatest answer to a press conference question of all time half the day, Brinson, you even threw it in Slack.


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[Assistant] When someone asked joe burrow what the bangles window is what your super bowl window and his answer was.


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[Assistant] The window is my career. That's the kind of confidence you want to have, uh, you want to see in your starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] Well, those couple teams we're talking about had nothing to play for, so the Bengals obviously wanted to win to get the, you know, guaranteed home game. But to answer your question, uh, yes, I thought about midway through the third quarter, get everyone the hell out of there because there's a lot of, uh, vicious hits happening in this game. I won't call them


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[Assistant] Well they were taking some big hits, and I mean, T Higgins got knocked out, uh, the starting card got knocked out, he got carted off the field, so...


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[Assistant] The team that could sneak up and get them is the Ravens. They just struggle against division opponents. They didn't, they were going against a third string quarterback today and just couldn't kind of put them away. I mean, they dominated the game. Right? They went three and three in the division. They can lose to anyone.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I don't think that Josh Allen has looked like Josh Allen. I mean, really since his injury, he's still playing high level football and 90% Josh Allen is better than almost every other quarterback in the NFL. I mean, he made a great touchdown pass to Stefan Diggs, but again, you know, he made that ugly red zone interception you were talking about. He's been turning.


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[Assistant] You just don't know how, what's gonna happen when he's playing top level competition. You know, if he does that against the Chiefs and throws these red zone intercepts, then that's tru- that's gonna be trouble.


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[Assistant] And now they're on their third head coach since then.


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[Assistant] There was someone else. It was Albert Breyer. He wrote it in his story.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, if you're eight and three and you miss the playoffs, that's a compo- I could see an owner getting upset and saying, okay, you messed up pretty badly. Maybe we- and you have-


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, Robert Sala did it. It almost worked. That's the thing, is he had...


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[Assistant] The, the eggs and somehow, uh, you know, it's like eggs should all shatter because he dropped them off a one story building and somehow they didn't. I mean, they almost played well enough to win, or their defense did, really. Uh, but yeaah, at least the testament to Mike McDaniel, you have Skyler Thompson in there.


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[Assistant] And there is no reason you should win this game with your third string quarterback, but you do. So I think that is a huge testament, especially coming off this losing streak they were on. So, uh, look.


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[Assistant] An ugly win is a win, especially when it gets you to the playoffs. So the, the dolphins are a good, we've seen what they can do. They've already beaten the Bills once this season. And if you throw Teddy or Tua out there, I think they at least have a chance, which we'll talk about later, but you know, you can't have Skylar Thompson starting for you in the playoffs, even though he got them to win on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I mean, real quick on the Eagles that, you know, Billy mentioned that they weren't running RPOs and you just said that they weren't asking Jalen Hurts to run, which is obviously what you want to do because you're thinking the Giants have all their backup players in here. We're just going to run this vanilla offense, offensive game plan.


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[Assistant] Cause we think we're obviously better, our starters are better than them and we don't want to get anyone injured and then we get our week off and we'll be fine. But yea, Jalen Hurts absolutely had to get out there because if he didn't, if he had not played this week and you know, the Eagles win,


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[Assistant] And then he comes out and plays in the divisional round on January 22nd. He would have gone more than a month without playing in a game. And then you have to worry about him shaking off the rust, which we saw today is not easy to do when you miss a substantial amount of time. So I thought getting him out there was huge, but man.


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[Assistant] The Giants? I mean, I didn't expect anything from them. I thought they were gonna lose this game 34 to nothing. And like you said, Billy, the Eagles did their best to make sure every fan had to keep watching.


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[Assistant] Every time you thought Philly was gonna blow this open, either...


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[Assistant] I don't even know if I would call it an ugly mistake by Philly or if the Giants just, they were doing just enough to stay in the game and keep it interesting. And it just, the Giants are a well-coached team now, which is something you haven't been able to say about this team. And so, I mean, Joe Judge, what, what's going on here? It's, it's, uh, sure. It's just like.


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[Assistant] Watching the Giants play intelligent football is just so different and to think that this team actually stayed in this game with half their starters on the bench, uh, man, they could be dangerous in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I think the Eagles finished the season with 70 sacks, which is the tie for the third highest total in NFL history. And they only needed three to break the record. And like you said, it seemed like the record was there for the taking because you're going up against backup line, you're going up against a third string quarterback. And Wilson, you said,


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[Assistant] I don't even remember David Webb still being in the league, which makes sense. He's been in the NFL since 2017. He has never thrown a pass in his career. The first pass he threw was today and he threw 40 of them. So he somehow went.


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[Assistant] Almost five full seasons in the league without throwing a single pass. That is how you earn a paycheck.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, if you're the Giants, you feel like you're in good hands for once, which, uh, you know, God bless Giants fans for dealing with everything they have dealt with over the past five to seven years, where it's just been


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[Assistant] And so that's like the memory you're holding onto. Then you're thinking about Ben McAdoo and Pat Shermer and Joe Judge are just thinking, why can't this front office make a good hire as a head coach? And then boom, now you have Brian Dable and you have to feel pretty good about your future.


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[Assistant] Three Cal starting quarterbacks in the NFL today. Davis Webb, Jared Goff, Aaron Rodgers.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. The crazy thing is that Kenny Golliday didn't show up for a single game all season. And then finally in the fourth quarter just makes one of the most bonkers touchdown catches of the year. Uh, and I'm sure the day balls thinking like, where's that been all season, man? Like what's going on here?


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[Assistant] But maybe he's just trying to earn some playing time for the playoffs, making catches like that.


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[Assistant] They were two and six going into November. It seemed like, uh, Tomlin's done. He's, he doesn't, this is just, you know, you're trying to find a new quarterback. It's not working out. And I mean, on Twitter, you had Steelers fans saying, Hey, it's time to move on for Mike Tomlin.


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[Assistant] And then he goes out and finishes season, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, after I feel like the Browns beat the Steelers in the playoffs, that, you know, Browns fans started getting a little cocky and thinking, hey, we finally passed the Steelers in the division.


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[Assistant] And here you are back at square one, Browns fans, uh, with a two touch on loss to the Steelers in the final week of the season.


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[Assistant] Well no, I remember the conversation, we were talking about how the move didn't make any sense because the Bears also traded away key pieces so there's no reason to give away draft picks when you're rebuilding. But you were the one that said it was way too high.


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[Assistant] Or Carol, or Peterson. I think it's Sirianni.


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[Assistant] You should have a whole podcast taking victory lap, Princeton, because that one, I don't agree with the Claypool one, but that one we absolutely did make fun of you for and laughed in your face for a good 20 minutes. Uh, even though, you know, I remember one of us saying that, yeah, maybe they get in the playoffs sneaking as a wild card, but nope, we weren't buying your Jags could win the division. And here we are in January.


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[Assistant] I mean, the irony is that they probably shouldn't have even won this game. The guy outplayed by a team that has a quarterback was on the roster for 17 days and their defense bailed him out with a fumble return touchdown in the fourth quarter. Uh, but yes, they are in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] You can't make fun of it yet. It's still a new podcast trying to find its legs.


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[Assistant] Well no, let's talk to the Chargers first because they're going to play Jacksonville in the playoff. So let's, and then go.


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[Assistant] And, and just to be clear in case people weren't following the playoff race super closely is that after the Bengals beat the Ravens,


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[Assistant] And he had back spasms and they think he'll be maybe okay, but who knows.


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[Assistant] Brandon Staley studied, uh, the NFL playoff schedule at all for the past 10 years. He would have known for sure that there's a hundred percent chance, even before the playoff schedule came out, that Jacksonville versus the Chargers was going to be a Saturday game. That was just a lock. That was the lock of the week that that game was going to be played.


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[Assistant] On Saturday, which means you're on a short week. So now are you playing your starters in the 425 window?


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[Assistant] You've got to turn around and play on Saturday when Jacksonville gets the full week off because they played on Saturday. So I would have rested my starters just because Jacksonville already has a day of rest on me. Yeah, it was just crazy. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Or play em, play em for a quarter. You know, the Buccaneers did that with Tom Brady. That's fine. Trying to get em a couple records. Put your starters in for a quarter if you want. You don't play em for three and a half quarters.


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[Assistant] Yeah, players are going to agree with that because no one wants to sit out a game. I mean, Brady leading into the Buccaneers game was like, yeah, I want to play and I'm going to play. And so it's just a matter of you're the coach. You have the final say, like, all right guys, you play one half or one quarter, just not almost the whole game.


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[Assistant] Well, and if you're gonna send your starters out there, that's a disheartening loss.


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[Assistant] Where you're like, all right, you know, we're going to try this game, try and win this game. And not only do you not win, but you lose by 20 points and you don't even put up 200 yards of offense. I mean, this was the Cowboys second lowest offensive total since 2009.


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[Assistant] And they did this the week before the playoff start in a game they were trying to win with their starter. So for that to happen and Dak Prescott, I mean, I don't know what's going on with him, but he has thrown, uh, 10 interceptions since week 12.


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[Assistant] It's just, I don't know what you do. And you know, and then that's offensively. So if the offense struggles, you're thinking, oh, the Cowboys events is so good, it will bail them out. Well, the Washington commanders put up 300 yards of offense with Sam Howells, their quarterback, and Jason Garrett made a great point.


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[Assistant] Uh, at some point on Sunday night, you know, the guy who used to coach the Cowboys pointed out that.


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[Assistant] Uh, hey, Dallas is 1-4 this season when they play on natural grass because it slows their defense down. They have more speed on turf. They can't take advantage of that as much when they play on natural grass. And so they slows down the pass rush and they just tend to struggle more. And we saw that, uh, not only in this game against the commanders, we saw it in week one.