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[Assistant] Exactly. But before we get out of here, Kayl did ask, any Brinson sucks hats in stock?


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[Assistant] I am, I am, I am too. There's been a, there's a, there's a, you know, a string of murder surrounding podcasts, uh, circulating.


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[Assistant] Obviously I follow, you know, watch the whole combine. I follow it. I'm an NFL writer, but it is like, it is weird.


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[Assistant] That, uh, you know, it's a different thing. Traps is a, like, like you focus heavily on the draft. Ryan Wilson focus heavily on the draft. Josh Evers heavily on the draft. Like for me, it's almost like, you know, for part of it, the combine is and always has been, you know, I know these guys because I'm a degenerate who watches the Southern College football.


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[Assistant] It's like a post-grad, you know, it's like a graduation ceremony. You know, it's all part of this, sort of the, just sort of the calendar that, that, how, the way that it rolls along. And so,


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[Assistant] I think sometimes it's, it becomes just naturally easier for like me to take, to like, I think I see the 30,000 foot viewpoint of like what the biggest deal is. And I think it's pretty obvious. It's Anthony Richardson and his performance and, and sort of putting himself into this. I think he has made himself


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[Assistant] Okay, four, four, four. Yeah. Yeah. Four, three, nine. Yeah. But I mean, like just insane athletic skill sets. And then you see him get out there to throw. And of course, like when he does the deep balls, it's like, holy crap, this guy can.


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[Assistant] Absolutely uncork it and then he does the short stuff and it's just spray and pray all over the place. Um, yeah, I think, you know, like I'm texting threads with my friends on it where, you know, we're texting about Anthony Richardson, a lot of Panthers, you know, cause the Panthers are right there in the wheelhouse at number nine to possibly take him and trap sort of like the response was, um,


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[Assistant] It's like, people are like, uuuh, but then people are like, I mean...


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[Assistant] Like is he definitely a quarterback? He is, I know, it's just, I mean, it's, it is, he is, he is a polarizing prospect and didn't become any less polarizing as a result of his incredible performance, uhm, on Saturday.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, I was gonna, I was gonna, I was just gonna, I like, I was gonna ask if it was, it was your turn to talk anyway, but I.


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[Assistant] You think like the success of like Josh Allen and the ability of like Josh Allen to become this all pro level MVP caliber guy after a, you know, like the


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[Assistant] Cause we always see these trends, like for instance, it was fine to draft short quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] First overall, like Baker Mayfield and then, and then, and then Kyler Murray, because we have like Russell Wilson out there providing this pathway to success. Now that like Kyler's, you got questions about Kyler and Baker's been bouncing around and Russell's really struggled. It's like, almost like that's caused this like change Katie, where people don't want.


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[Assistant] Everything about like, for instance, Jordan Davis did, you know, he was somewhat situational, right? And like, even if he had all this great production and we saw it on the tape and everything like that, you still, what it does is it vaults you up. It's just everyone is in the NFL is watching the combine.


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[Assistant] And if you got there and it's stupid, like a 40 shouldn't matter that much. But what it does is it, you also take in.


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[Assistant] This is sort of what teams do too. And we have media media ways to do it, like mock draftable, um, the Raz scores, all of that, like relative athletic scores and all those things that.


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[Assistant] It takes this athletic profile and you have spark to the, you know, these teams do the same thing. They have these athletic profiles. And when you have a four, three, 40 and his size, even if the 40 is a completely irrelevant metric for your ability, you know, like you're not going to run a 40.


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[Assistant] In the NFL, like it just doesn't happen that often in the NFL game. Like it doesn't matter that much. But when you have that, when you have that, it becomes part of that profile that teams build out and it vaults a guy like Nolan Smith way up where it's like, holy crap. Like, yeah, this guy's was really good, but like his upside is just outrageous because of this athletic profile.


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[Assistant] So the, the, I agree with that and hopefully not my elf shoes. Um, the, uh, it's also, as my dad says, you don't have to, you don't have to outrun the bear. You just got to outrun your buddy. You know, like the cocaine bear.


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[Assistant] And I think this qualifies and traps, you can tell me if I'm, if I'm right or wrong or like whether this is, he benefited this much. It's sort of a combination of how the other receivers perform because it's not, it wasn't a great, like we got some speedy receiver runs on the second group of them, but for the, by and large, like, you know, it's kind of a.


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[Assistant] It felt like, yeah, it was not like this whole receiver class in general.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is not, it is not one of those topics, like there are topics, there are some good players. They're not, this is not like a.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, Justin Jefferson, CD lamb, like we know we're lo there are, it's a, this is not like a loaded, like elite level guys. Like there's, I don't think there's a Jamar chase in this class for instance, et cetera. Uh, but I think one guy who really helped himself was a North Carolina wide receiver going very off brand here. Josh Downs, who, uh, who ended up like, so it's very, I think Downs is more of a slot guy, right?


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[Assistant] But welcome to the NFL. I mean, you're running, you're running three, you know, you're running three wide like 60% of the time plus actually probably maybe up to 70% of the time. And the way that he performed at the combine, showing some speed, looking just very natural in the catching drills. And I think with the other performances from top, like higher up wide receivers.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's crazy that Ze Flowers could be wide receiver one off the board now as a result of just what, if you, if you took a sort of a straw poll right now, but I think Downs, even though he is a slot guy and he does have kick return potential as well, um, you have very good pedigree, played at a high level in college, um, you know,


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[Assistant] Is, is just a baller and like he's just going to be a guy eats it up underneath and a really, really dangerous weapon. I think I don't know that he is in, you tell me Travis, is he in first round discussion? Cause I think it was probably a day two guy just because of the limitations with slot and even with the kick returns. But like now is there a chance that he could even like slid up a little bit?


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[Assistant] This guy would be petrified of him in Andy Reid's system.


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[Assistant] Sorry, I just pointed out, I just noticed this, I like to, no offense to CBS, whatever.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's the NFL. Like, I mean, they got, they got just stuff, they got stuff that we don't have. For instance, they just added this this year. I've never seen this before. A next-gen stats score breakdown of, uh, of players.


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[Assistant] Josh Downs scores an 86, which would, you know, is a very good score, uh, would be making the second, second wide receiver in the combine. And then an 88 production score, uh, would be the third in terms of the, uh, and I don't know exactly what's going into it. I'm going to dive into that, but I think that's really interesting that, um, they've added that.


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[Assistant] Cause they got these trackers on all these kids. And so you're sort of seeing how they do. Like he checks in as like the 19th in terms of athleticism score.


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[Assistant] Like why is it not welcome to Highpoint home of Fantasia? Why is it not welcome to Highpoint home of Bryan Brinson? Like what are we doing here?


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[Assistant] Well, Traps, Traps, you had it listed. So I mean, I'll let you, you had Jordan Addison listed and I think that's like a.


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[Assistant] Pretty easy. I mean like I was that stood out. I don't understand. I'm not saying you picked the low hanging. I'm saying like it's a very, very obvious situation for him because this is a guy that, you know,


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[Assistant] Like we thought could be like we didn't kiddie pickets and come get me or like, or he's like, come get me talking to the Steelers to match them up. And it's like a guy who has been, I mean, he got insane and I L money to go to USC out of Pittsburgh, I believe. And he is, was considered like a top.


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[Assistant] Wide receiver prospect and now you just see the way that this is shifting around. It does it again. It's very easy when you come into these, you know, coming to these draft classes to think like, okay, you know, we're going to compare this top receiver in this class to, you know, the top receiver in a class the year before. But it's just, as you point out, like it's, it's not the reality in this case. And Addison certainly hurt himself.


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[Assistant] Uhm, can I, can I like, I don't, I don't want to lob him out as a, I don't know how, I don't know how to phrase this. Like, cause I don't want to say like he stopped, got hurt. Cause like, so Bryce Young got measured.


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[Assistant] The way that the quarterbacks threw, like CJ Stroud was so freaking good in that throwing session. I wonder like, did Bryce Young hurt his stock by not throwing Katie? Like, do you think that like, if he, if he goes out there and throws and balls out, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, does that, does that, how much of that affect it in sort of your opinion? I'm obviously you too, Travis.


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[Assistant] This is actually a good point from Dom too, by the way. So it's just like young, he's going to like, he's going to lose all that weight per day and then throw and look awesome. That's, that's probably what it's going to be.


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[Assistant] I look, I mean, I have like a bias against Ohio State quarterbacks and I probably should, I mean, I get it though. I get it. I mean, it's just like, they don't like, they haven't like, you know, it fields TBD. Um, but they, they haven't, they just haven't worked out at the NFL level. And, but I mean, Stroud, I mean, you Stroud, you see it. I'll tell you the one thing about him is like,


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[Assistant] I'm the ball placement guy and you know, that accuracy, like not just.


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[Assistant] Not just throwing the password needs to be, but throwing the pass like into a very specific window that makes it easy for your receivers. That yeah, that yeah, that that touch goes a long, long way. I mean, I think I would still go Bryce Young first overall, but first overall quarter Mike would be my top quarterback. But like this is a really tough class because


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[Assistant] You can find faults and concerns with each other. And certainly Bryce Young's build, Katie, is like, I mean, for me, that's, that's, that's like the.


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[Assistant] Most, I know my answer here. This is like just like the most obscure combine blow up prospect that you've, that you've covered. I mean, for me, for me, it's like, so it's Ali Morpat.


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[Assistant] Uhm, uh, cause when he was like coming out, it was like, people were like, watch out for this Marpet kid coming out of Hobart. And he just lit up the combine. We were all, this is like 2013 maybe? God, I'm old.


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[Assistant] But, uh, yeah, I mean, like we were just like, like that to me, that was the craziest, like out of nowhere left field.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean Hobart. Like I didn't know, I went to Google Hobart. I remember writing about it. That's how old-


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[Assistant] One thing about Lyle Collins too, though, is like he, in that situation, if I recall correctly, he, it was like, it's insane how many different, that happened like very close to the draft.


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[Assistant] Where as with Jalen Carter, and you heard Daniel Jeremiah say it on the broadcast, teams were not, teams were as surprised as we were by the Jalen Carter news that they didn't know it was coming. And so that becomes, that's where it gets really tricky because


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[Assistant] One, did you, like, did you know all this was coming? Two, you know, did you, were you trying to maybe hide it a little bit? Like, et cetera, et cetera. So I think like that's, that's what, and we don't know, but you're going to have a lot of questions you're going to have to ask. Um, did you're going to be asked by these teams about not just what happened,


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[Assistant] Why you were, why you were, why you were in this situation, but also like.


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[Assistant] The dissemination of the information to the teams. Why did it come out right before the combine?


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[Assistant] And why didn't, why did teams not know about it despite having already done some interviews, I believe.


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[Assistant] Yes, I'll take, but like, I don't think it's entirely insane that he gets drafted over Jalen Carter either. I think just because of what, there is a lot of unknown with what is going on and that when there's a lot of unknown, um, you know, it, it, it creates variables in an already very, very, uh, an already variable draft


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[Assistant] He falls to me and I think that top, you know, I mean, I think it falls out of the top five. I'm probably pulling the trigger. If he falls out of the top 10, I'm definitely pulling the trigger. Um, now again, these circumstances, NFL teams will know more. There will be teams that have, um, Jalen Carter off the board.


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[Assistant] Because they just don't, they're not going to go that direction, you know, and there'll be, you know, there'll be teams who move them down a lot. There'll be teams who don't move them down, you know, et cetera, et cetera. I think that, um, what you.


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[Assistant] Like, my, my, my theory, my thing is, again, I go back to that quote from Steve Kahn, former Cardinals GM. If Hannibal Lecter ran a 4-4-40, he'd get drafted. That's, that's just the bottom line.


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[Assistant] It's true, it's like we, if, if, if, if Jaleigh, if Jaleigh Carter was a fifth round pick.


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[Assistant] It's just, we're not even having this discussion, right? Like it's, it's only because he's a first round caliber talent that it is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think everybody right now, given the uncertainty of what we don't like, what we don't, what we know and what we don't know,


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[Assistant] Is like, if he fell to my team, I'm probably taking that value.


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[Assistant] Could that change with information? Uh, yeah, it could change both ways, right? So I think as of right now, I'm sort of in that same camp where like I'm taking the value because


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[Assistant] You know, unless he did something really, really, really heinous, um, you know, in,


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[Assistant] As per our bet that CJ Stroud would drop out of the top 10, I said there was no way it would happen, but I gave Princeton 4-1 odds who said, uh, it might because everything was happening. But in Princeton's defense, in Princeton's defense, he did make me more than $10 about a half hour before the draft started. Uh, he said, CJ Stroud is going to go number two.


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[Assistant] Bet everything on it. Uh, I didn't bet everything, but I certainly got more than $10 out of that. So thanks, Prince. You should send me that money. Bye.


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[Assistant] Yeah, here's the thing about the Texans. They've done a lot of smart things this entire off season and they just kind of fly under the radar. I mean,


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[Assistant] You look at what they did in free agency. They added Robert Woods, Jimmy Ward, Sheldon Rankins, Dalton Schultz, Devin Singletary. I mean, I could just keep going. Hassan Ridgway.


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[Assistant] And then obviously the big question was at quarterback and that was it. You know, they had, it was, are they really going to go into the season with Case Keenum and Davis Mills and not draft a quarterback? Cause that was kind of.


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[Assistant] Uh, the smoke of mirrors they were throwing out there was, what are they going to do at number two? As Brenton mentioned, they love Will Anderson. There was no indication really that they were going to take a quarterback. They were playing it close to the vest.


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[Assistant] And now you put CJ Stroud in there who feels like he was easily the second best quarterback.


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[Assistant] In this draft and so I thought that was a smart pick. Trading back up and getting Will Anderson. You're not mortgaging your future if you're using picks. They had so many picks. It's not like every pick can make their roster. Like they had picks to spare. They used them. They got the second overall pick, third overall pick. By the way, just the third team.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the Super Bowl era to get two of the top three picks in the NFL draft.


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[Assistant] Joining Washington in 2000 and the Colts in 1992.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so yeaah, I agree with you, Brenton. I would, I thought the Texans played this brilliantly. Kudos to that front office. Uh, and I thought Nick Casario did exactly, he's building the Patriots South or Patriots Southwest or whatever Texas is considered where he was in New England for 20 years. He knows you need a quarterback to win. Obviously you have Tom Brady and he saw what kind of talent Belichick would kind of


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[Assistant] Uh, get on defense and that those defense are always good and it helps that they have a defensive genius running the show in Belichick, but that's what he's done. He's amassed all this talent on defense. He's brought in a quarterback who he thinks can be successful and man, Texas look tough.


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[Assistant] Well, real quick, we weren't talking about the terms of the trade between the Cardinals and the Texans. We're talking about how the Texans talent edition improves their roster. The Cardinals got the better end of that trade by a mile. I mean, they picked up an extra first round pick in 2024. There is no doubt about that, but,


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[Assistant] You know, the flip side of that is that we don't know what the Cardinals are going to do with that pick. They might, Cardinals do not have a great track record of draft. They might blow that pick next year. So two years.


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[Assistant] Well right, so like two years from now we could be saying that the Cardinals got fleeced because they didn't know how to use these draft picks they were given. So yes, right now from a compensation standpoint, the Cardinals won, but from, hey, did we just have one of the best first round possibles if you're the Houston Texans? I think you walked out of this draft very happy because you are just ecstatic with the two guys you


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[Assistant] Uh, not with Bajon Robinson. I think that one was pretty clear that he was going to be a top 10, a top 12 pick. It was just a question was, is he gonna land in Atlanta? Is he gonna land in Philadelphia? But, I mean,


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[Assistant] You do have these guys who are so talented, uh, and it doesn't happen very often. I would say once every four or five years where it's...


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[Assistant] I don't care what the NFL feels or how most teams or what analytics feels about the running back position. This guy is so talented you can line him up anywhere on the field that he is absolutely worthy of being a high first round pick. So yeaah, I don't hate the Falcons.


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[Assistant] I just feel like Gibbs would have been available there and so if you want a running back


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[Assistant] At that point, just wait and take him at 18. It just felt like 12 was a reach. I think Gibbs is good too.


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[Assistant] If they take him 18, I'ma feel a little bit better about the pick than I am if they take him at 12.


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[Assistant] Uh, so yeah, I think the Falcons Arthur Smith has proven that he runs a run oriented offense and that it can be successful. It surprised a lot of people last season.


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[Assistant] And so now the only question is, uh, can Desmond Ritter handle Kyle Pitts and Drake London and Bajon Robinson? Is that enough to turn this team around? Because he's got the keys to the offense now. He just can't crash it because he's got a lot of weapons.


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[Assistant] The whole Jalen Carter thing was crazy because remember early April, he's like, guess what? I'm not interviewing any team outside the top 10 cause not drop it out of the top 10. And here he is sneaking in the top 10 at number nine. And if you would have told Howie Roseman before the draft that they were going to get Jalen or Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith.


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[Assistant] Uh, he probably would have laughed you out of the room thinking that there was no feasible way that that could happen. And here we are with...


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[Assistant] Just having both guys fall in his lap. Uh, obviously, you know, the Eagles trade up one spot to get Jaylen Carter, which is hilarious that the Bears did that to pick up the fourth round pick and then


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[Assistant] Really having Nolan Smith fall to the bottom of the first round, just every pick, once we got to the 24 or 25, it was like, oh my God, this is really going to happen. Everything is coming up Eagles. Literally for the past 12 months, everything has been coming up Eagles. They look good last season. They go to the Superbowl. They have a fantastic first round of the draft.


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[Assistant] I don't know what this team is doing. I don't know if they made a deal with the devil like Jerry Jones did in 1995 as Brinton loves to tell us all the time. Uh, but whatever happened, everything's coming up Eagles and that, I mean, great first round getting those two guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, and real quick, someone in the comments section asking if there is any chance that Jalen Carter can serve jail time. Uh, the answer is mostly no. He pleaded no contest. He's, uh, sentenced to 12 months probation. If you were to violate his probation, that would be the route to jail time. But as long as he steers Claire of breaking the law,


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[Assistant] Then no, he is off the hook. He'll pay a thousand dollar fine, do eight hours community service. And after 12 months we'll be, have this completely behind him.


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[Assistant] Do a better job of how fast you can process information on the field. Exactly Breach, thank you.


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[Assistant] Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb and Akili Smith. Who was the best one of those?


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[Assistant] Not Akili Smith. Not in couch. So Donovan Knav wins by default. And that obviously another draft because Akili Smith was the third overall pick by the Bengals. So that draft is burnt into my head. I should get the top ten tattooed on my back. I will not, but maybe I should.


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[Assistant] I have no idea. You know, one thing I will say about this is, is Princeton said, you know, we don't need to say a lot about Bryce Young. That was the expected pick. We knew that's what the Panthers was gonna, were gonna do. Uh, and I like CJ Stroud of the Texans. I think that is, you know, you never know if a quarterback's gonna work out.


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[Assistant] Uh, but Anthony Richardson is definitely the risky pick. Obviously Shane Steichen did we did with Jalen Hertz in Philadelphia and is thinking I can do something similar with somebody who is an athletic freak like Anthony Richardson. And so that Colts.


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[Assistant] The whole, not just the offense, but the whole team just feels like it's a few steps behind the Texans right now. Obviously Jacksonville because they feel like they're the best team in the division. And then, you know, I don't know where Tennessee is. They're probably about even with Indy, but it just, I don't know that, I don't know. The Colts just seem like they're going the wrong way.


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[Assistant] We shouldn't be talking about ESPN analysts, we should be talking about wins over Wilson, because Ryan Wilson literally this morning said that there was going to be a giant drop with Will Levis. Wilson had him going 25th overall in his final lock.


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[Assistant] Wilson mentioned that he would probably draw- and I had said in Slack too that if-


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[Assistant] Will Levis didn't get taken by the Titans at 11th overall. It was going to be a big uh-oh and he might fall out of the first round because that was like, once you got to that spot, it was- He said that? No, no, that's what I wrote in Slack once the draft started to play after he fell out of the top five.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and, but that was after Wilson had told us that he was probably gonna fall. And so...


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[Assistant] The thing here is that, look, I think Chris Mortenson from ESPN reported that he was dealing with a toe issue that caused him to miss two games and that some teams that evaluated him feel that he might need to get surgery on the toe. He doesn't feel the same way. So you have these things leak out.


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[Assistant] Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, all above him any day of the week. So at that point you're getting to


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[Assistant] Where should the fourth best quarterback in the draft go? If you're picking the top 10, you don't want to be.


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[Assistant] It's, I don't know, it's just, it's not, I don't think it's overly surprising. I think, I don't even know why the odds got so crazy. It just wasn't that surprising.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you look at the first ten picks of the second round, you could make an argument that probably five or six of those teams could


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[Assistant] We don't know how much longer Jared Goff is going to be there. That doesn't mean these teams will. For instance, you mentioned the Rams, the Seahawks, the Raiders, uh, the Titans, those all teams.


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[Assistant] Yes, and like I said, everything was coming up Eagles on Thursday. They got the first round picks they wanted, uh, they forced the Cardinals to give them a free pick.


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[Assistant] Uh, through these hampering charges, which happened because the Cardinals general manager apparently called Jonathan Gannon a day after the NFC championship game when you are not supposed to be talking to people about, uh, possible


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[Assistant] Was big and we will be dissecting for a long time.


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[Assistant] Uh, but the Cardinals play that smart cause they went back up, used those picks in that deal with Detroit and moved from 12 to six and got the offensive lineman that Kyler Murray wanted, uh, that we saw Kyler Murray said, Hey, look, let's get an offensive lineman here. Let's make it Paris Johnson. It was like.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Cardinals GM was just thinking, you know what? I don't want to get on Kyler's bad side. Let's just get the guy he wants. That's what we're going to do.


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[Assistant] Uh, and we saw the Patriots and Steelers make a trade, which was a little crazy. Those are two teams that you don't really see, uh, work together too often. But yeah, it was, the more trades, the better. That's how I view it. I want 27 trades in next year's first round.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we saw a commenter mention that Joey Porter Jr. dropped out of the first round. That was a surprise. I think we had him ranked in our top 15.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Lions taking Jamar Gibbs, obviously surprise, which we mentioned earlier. Uh, and on that Patriots Steelers trade that I had mentioned, I brought that one up because I feel like both those teams came out winners. The Steelers need to upgrade their line, which by the way,


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[Assistant] Wilson mentioned our bold predictions podcast. The Steelers need to trade up and get an offensive lineman. They did that. They got a guy they were targeting. And then the Patriots, when you trade back, you have no idea who's going to fall in your lap. And they have getting one of the best corners in the draft, the 17th overall.


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[Assistant] I feel like that was a surprise that you had a trade where it felt like both teams obviously won.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and you know, I think it might've been a little bit of a surprise that one tight end went in the first round just because there was so much talk about this tight end class.


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[Assistant] Uh, and obviously, uh, the only one that went was Dalton Kincaid, 25th overall to the Bills. The Bengals decided not to take a tight end. The Cowboys decided not to take a tight end. There were teams at the bottom of the draft that we thought might be targeting tight ends and said, no, we'll wait till the second round.


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[Assistant] It's going great. Thanks for asking, Katie. So me and Rick Spielman went on the old pro day tour. We were in Gainesville, Florida last Thursday, we could go today. And you don't know this, Rick and I.


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[Assistant] Met up with Breach at Disney World and we had a blast.


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[Assistant] We went to, I was, Breach, you didn't see me there. I was the guy that kept throwing paper cups at you from behind the space mountain there.


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[Assistant] Crispin from the Lions? Crispin from the Lions, the Ohio State legend is his brother.


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[Assistant] He's, he's thick. Like he was, uh, he's Ohio State legend Chris Spielman, um, played for the... Did he have a Hall of Famer? He's Ohio State Hall of Famer for sure. Uhm, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] Uh, a couple things, and I've talked about this before with Brenton. Like if you write about golf, Katie, you can write in the most flowery language possible, like you can't write about in football. And, like, Kyle's a great writer, but every, like, first 100 words is the setting the scene, which is sort of, uh,


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[Assistant] Oh, let me guess. So how many holes has he played? I believe he's played eight. All right, Katie, I'm going to set the overrunner and you tell me where we're at. So he is going to be plus three and a half.


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[Assistant] That was a Michael Scott joke when he's trying to negotiate the contract for Daryl.


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[Assistant] Uh, the only issue I have is with what Breach said earlier that they should have won the games early last season when the Steelers beat the dog crap out of them. Don't make excuses.


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[Assistant] Other than that, I agree with everything else. I like the over here. It's not, I mean, I'm not even, I didn't even think about it. I was just looking at the number. I said, okay, yeah, the bingles are good. I don't even know if Lamar Jackson's healthy and he comes back to Baltimore if it matters because Greg Roman's gone and I know they hated Greg Roman on the way out, but he certainly had something to do with the success.


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[Assistant] In terms of how that office was run, maybe it didn't run its course in terms of not taking the next steps, but Lamar isn't happy. Wide receivers aren't happy because the GM makes fun of them for not being very good. I think they have a lot of questions.


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[Assistant] Bingles over 11 and a half and Breach, like I told you when I was at Columbus, I stood next to Zach, uh, Zach Taylor, the entire CJ Stroud throwing session. And he told me, and I'm breaking news here, Jake Browning will be the starting quarterback in week one.


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[Assistant] And I say it all the time, listen, you paid Deshaun Watson that money, he has to play like Josh Allen and or Patrick Mahomes. He is not going to do that barring, uh, the purchase of a time machine by Jimmy Hazm. So I'm going under. I think the roster is pretty good, but I just don't trust this team.


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[Assistant] Hey, Britson, what's the over on 16 wins? Cause I want to take that. 16? Uhm, plus 7,000. I'll take it.


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[Assistant] I'll take that too, I'll take them both, just to be polite.


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[Assistant] I think Katie actually highlighted why they should be better.


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[Assistant] Kenny's year two, he played much better than I thought. I didn't love him coming out, so credit to him. The offensive line is better, which is a huge issue. And uhm, they have an opportunity to get better at 17 in the draft. So, I'm gonna go over as well.


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[Assistant] I've been saying this for however long I've been talking about it. He doesn't have an agent, so he has to be in those meetings where they're taking shots at him personally because they don't want to pay him, which is typically what your agent does for you to absorb those conversations that you don't want to have. And maybe he holds a grudge over the course of the season. So whatever happens and he, you know, he's in that.


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[Assistant] Well-timed tweet out of the owner's meeting that he wanted to be traded. So he's, he's pretty bummed out. Like he hasn't come out and, and gone, you know, crazy like some players do when they, they weren't out of town. Uh, he hasn't gone into hiding for, into the dark room with Aaron Rodgers, but I, I don't know, man, but I have a lot of questions about this team on both sides of the ball. And it starts with Lamar and where he's at in his head space in terms of wanting to be a Baltimore Raven going forward. So I'm going under.


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[Assistant] No, what is, what is the math on the rest of the record the rest of the season though, if you go four and eight? When do they finish? Nine and eight.


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[Assistant] That Brinson and Breach talk a big game for the Jaguars, and then when it's time, the rubber meets the road, they hop out of the car and run into the trees.


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[Assistant] Look, it's, I'm just saying what you're betting on in April. Your wick's the same, but your personality's changed a little bit.


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[Assistant] Shout out Blake Boros. Alright, Katie, I'm going over because of Doug Peterson, because of Trevor Lawrence, because Evan Ingram's back, because Calvin Ridley's a first round pick that they're going to get back, and they're probably going to draft an offense to tackle in the first round to help Trevor Lawrence and Travis ATM. It's pretty easy, guys.


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[Assistant] Billy literally drove him from Philadelphia to Nashville to get rid of him.


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[Assistant] I've seen both of them, both of them, right? You done too? I'm getting dragged for this last one.


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[Assistant] And lost the Super Bowl. I didn't even say that last part I just wanted to.


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[Assistant] I'm going, I'm going over this number because if you take a quarterback.


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[Assistant] And pair him with Shane Steichen who had all that success with Jalen Hurts and Jalen Hurts was responsible for a lot of that success. And that quarterback, like Anthony Richardson's a, that's not a guy you want playing right away. But I think Gardner mentioned you could have some success in that offense. Even though Billy hated him with all the passion of a thousand sons last year when Gardner had to play. But I think in that division.


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[Assistant] That's a good football team. They just hit, I mean, they hit a streak of bad luck.


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[Assistant] But if they don't like CJ or Will or Will Levis or Anthony Richardson, that's fine. I get it.


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[Assistant] Katie and Brent's, Brent's, how do you pronounce Brent's song with the thing on it?


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[Assistant] Fingers crossed McCorkle Jones doesn't get traded, Bill O'Brien can fix things, and that team is gonna make a little noise. But more importantly, I think the Dolphins are gonna be good.


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[Assistant] I don't care about the Jets. I don't care about Aaron Rodgers. I don't, if that doesn't work out, that's fine. I'm, I'm over it at this point is sort of where the Brett Favre stage of please make up your mind.


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[Assistant] Um, but I'm going under just because that team was shaky last year and we can say that it was the elbow. Although Josh said he was healthy at the end. I don't think he was. And I do wonder if it's going to be a situation where they lose some close games and keep that number closer to the 10 and a half. So I'll go under.


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[Assistant] I'm going to go under. Unless Robert Sala is playing quarterback. Have you seen the picture of him teeing up on the golf course?


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[Assistant] Sweet Jesus. He looks like Breach with the shirt off. He's got some pipes. Unless he's playing quarterback and running back. I told you I'm done with the Jets. I don't even want to think about it. Their defense is awesome. I love Breach Hall when he's healthy. I love Garrett Wilson. The quarterback situation is just, I don't want to give it another second's thought. Going under.


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[Assistant] Craig Cartoon. He was on the fan saying that and I have people like relatives going, you're getting crushed right now by Craig Cartoon.


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[Assistant] Which side do you think Katie is on that argument? LaFleur or Shanahan? I'll call Shanahan.


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[Assistant] I would take it with him on the roster. I think you'd want to see the situation where we saw him at the Packers where he quits at halftime because they're getting smoked and he doesn't want to deal with it. I think we're gonna see a lot of that if he plays in New York.


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[Assistant] To his health is a big issue, obviously. Jalen Ramsey was there as the trade, as part of the trade, so the defenses should continue to be good, maybe get a little better, and it'll be all about the running game anyway.


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[Assistant] This encourages Mike Medina to lean more in the running game. They had, they brought Jeff Wilson back. Uh, they have Miles Gaskin. It doesn't really matter who's running the ball. They seem to have success. I'm going to go over cause I also, I like them to, along with the Patriots to, to give the Bills a little run.


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[Assistant] What, what, that's like, that's like you learning to drive a car and your, your instructor is someone who knows how to ride a unicycle, but they know nothing about automobiles. You're like, well, I can't learn to drive a car. If you just teach me how to drive a unicycle, talk to the driver's ed teacher. The unicycle guy goes, well, why are you doing that? Cause I can't drive a car. You idiot. I understand.


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[Assistant] Oh, that is a hundred percent true. Don't get me wrong. Like don't misunderstand. That's right.


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[Assistant] Brinson hates Brandon Staley with all his heart, and that's disrespectful to Brandon Staley, who has a job for reasons that we don't need to talk about.


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[Assistant] Breach, are you gonna take the Bengals, uh, the uh, Broncos on the Super Bowl again?


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[Assistant] I think Derek Carr, I don't think he was a speed bump or an impediment, but I feel like Josh McDaniel is going to feel more comfortable with Jimmy G until Jimmy G gets hurt in week two.


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[Assistant] Also shout out to LSU for the Women's National Championship beating Iowa. Obviously Caitlin Clark did so much for the game. I think it was the most watched final ever. 9.9 million.


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[Assistant] It would be such a poignant part to be frozen, but I think-


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[Assistant] I don't like it. I think it should only be the champions that go on and meet the president and the first lady. So I think it should only be LSU.


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[Assistant] Mind at some point if Jill or Joe have Caitlin Clark. I don't know that the Iowa team needs to go there, but Caitlin Clark personally has done so much for the game that she can go at a later time, but I think it should only be LSU.


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[Assistant] I was high on the chargers last year and that was really my downfall and I will never do it again.


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[Assistant] Okay, so let's kind of move on into more of the draft that's coming up. Stroud and Young have had private workouts for the cults. What do you think of that, Brady?


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[Assistant] JFK. I remember his role. He didn't obviously play.


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[Assistant] And we're going to talk now about Jalen Carter. So Jalen Carter was once believed to be a potential number one overall pick.


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[Assistant] He got himself in some legal trouble, uh, ended up pleading no contest to reckless driving, shows up at the combine, suffers through drills, he's gained nine pounds, and now he's only meeting with teams within the top 10 of picks. Brady, what is he doing?


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[Assistant] It's Shirley MacLaine, I believe is her mother. It's Shirley MacLaine, and then it's Jan Aniston. And I think it's just the two of them. It's not three generations, it's just two.


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[Assistant] Bo Burrows. And Bo Burrows is like a hot, sexy, rich, I mean it's...


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[Assistant] Yeah. It's a great movie, by the way, for everybody listening.


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[Assistant] And Mina Savari is Jennifer Aniston's sister that does not feel the need to sleep with voters.


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[Assistant] Brady, what does this mean for Lamar Jackson, who is still trying to figure out where he is going, if he's going to stay with Baltimore, which he says he's requested the trade. I still kind of think he's going to stay in Baltimore because I don't know if he has any other options.


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[Assistant] Is this good news or bad news? The offer sent out to OBJ.


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[Assistant] The longer it goes, the less percent, I feel like the percentage goes down.


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[Assistant] So let's, let's play hypotheticals then. Let's say that Mac Jones gets moved. What do the Patriots then do at quarterback? Do they go after someone like Lamar? Is Bailey Zappi all of a sudden the guy? If not Mac Jones, then who?


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[Assistant] Uh, Billy in the chat said, obviously, I think this has to go down to the guaranteed money.


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[Assistant] I haven't, I've never been to, uhm, Fenway. I want to be able to go there. Obviously Yankee Stadium is nice, but whatever. San Francisco, beautiful, over the bay. I think that also where the Dodgers play is kind of overlooked. Really pretty.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Pick 6 Podcast, CBS Daily NFL Podcast. Katie Mox here with Tyler Sullivan and Will Brinson. And today we will recap some of the major sound bites


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[Assistant] From the league meetings, I have dubbed this as the league turns. So a little soap opera.


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[Assistant] Uh, action for us today. So guys, make sure you keep it locked with us all week long, uh, for more off season news. And while you're at it, show us some love by liking commenting and subscribing on the YouTube page. Audio listeners do the same download, follow, leave a nice review and tell your friends to listen and watch the pod. So Brinson today you dropped.


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[Assistant] Your mock draft. It is mock season and you have called yourself the godfather of the veteran QB trade mock draft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, alright, well, let's get right into it at that point. And by the way, you can read Wilbrenson's mock draft on cbsports.com. Also,


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[Assistant] Ryan, uh, Wilson, you know, I get your names mixed up all the time, has his second newsletter for with the first picked, all available, cbsports.com. But before we get into that, Brinson slash Brian,


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[Assistant] with the at the final four and the final four show all leading up to tip off at six when Florida Atlantic faces San Diego State followed by Miami clashing with Yukon and see double a men's final for national semifinals Saturday on CBS.


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[Assistant] So before we get to Ursay, let's talk, oh, we got Sully on the show, so we gotta talk about the New England updates, uhm, in this as the league turns. So Robert Kraft thinks that former Patriot and current assistant coach Draud Mayo would be a shoe-in to replace Bill Belichick whenever that time comes.


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[Assistant] Sully, is the short sleeve hoodie, is his time ending in New England and can he survive another non-playoff season?


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[Assistant] So I know that there's a consensus here that it's got to be up to Bill Belichick. He's going to get that record, move on, on his own terms, stay within the organization. But do you think this, this is Kraft's way of validating the need for more black head coaches in the NFL? And do you think that Mayo would actually be better for the Pats right now than Bill Belichick, even though we've already


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[Assistant] Decided that it's gotta be up to Bill Belichick. Wouldn't Mayo be the better coach?


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[Assistant] Sully, what you said kind of begged a question from me about how you're not frustrated with Bill as the coach, but you're frustrated with him as the GM.


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[Assistant] What do you think as a whole of coaches being head coaches and GMs? That was obviously a big problem in San Francisco with Jim Harbaugh. He wanted to be both. That didn't end up working out. You've got someone like Pete Carroll who's the head coach and then also what the senior executive vice president. Should head coaches also be GMs or more in organizations?


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[Assistant] I just feel like it kind of, yeah, alters like the checks and balances when you're in charge of everything.


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[Assistant] Hard to, hard to argue all that. Okay guys, we're going to take a very quick break. You're watching the Pick 6 Podcast. We'll be right back.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Pick Six Podcast. Katie Mox here with Will Brinson and Tyler Sullivan. If you're not following us on social, what are you doing at Pick Six Pod on all social media platforms? Staying within the New England chat. Meek Mill.


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[Assistant] Apparently told Kraft, he texted him a few days ago that Jackson wants to play for the Patriots. Is Meek Mill Lamar Jackson's agent now?


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[Assistant] Alright, sorry. Sorry, Sally. One, okay, maybe it's his agent. I don't know. Do you see Lamar as a fit in New England?


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[Assistant] Well he's, the fans are already booing him. That was interesting. Last season.


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[Assistant] To, you know, having this rookie quarterback like Matt Jones too, that's a huge fall.


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[Assistant] Sucks to suck. Alright, well, Meek Mill's not the only person that's pining for Lamar Jackson. Uh, Dolphin Safety Deshaun Elliott attempted to recruit Lamar as well and he got roasted on


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[Assistant] Lean on that too as maybe not the guy. I just don't know if he can, can stay healthy. And I think that Lamar Jackson would be absolutely electric in a Mike McDaniel's offense.


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[Assistant] It's not like Jimmy Garoppolo where health is an issue, where it's like, you know, his ankle or those kind of things. Like it's a, it's his brain. It's two concussions back to back. So this could be one more concussion and he doesn't play football anymore, not just out for a couple of weeks. I feel like that is the biggest.


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[Assistant] Concern with someone like Tua, but I agree with you when he was playing.


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[Assistant] They were incredible and he did so well. But they do have such a good run offense too that I feel like Lamar would fit so well into. Alright, speaking of uhm, oh, it would be amazing. Is it Lamar from Florida?


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[Assistant] Alright, so maybe coming home. Alright, so there's more people who are out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, here's the thing with that. When you think about how, when you think a running back is really old, 26 is really old. Now I know that Lamar Jackson is not a running back, but a big part of his success is in the ground game. That is old for a mobile quarterback like him, 26.


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[Assistant] Alright, so no Miami, I guess. What about the commanders? Riverboat Ron is still out on Lamar. He says that they are not interested in him at all.


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[Assistant] You talk about who's the loser in the NFL earlier today. It's gotta be the commanders. Well, like what is wrong with them?


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[Assistant] Well Brinson, you talk about this fully guaranteed contract. I know that you're high on Lamar going to the Colts, but Jim Ursay said that he doesn't believe in fully guaranteed contracts. He said,


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[Assistant] Percentage is one thing, but what I've seen from the NBA and baseball, I don't see it as a positive competitively.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Pick 6 Podcast. Katie Moxwell, Brynson, Tyler Sullivan. Today is NFL League Meetings recap show. Make sure you join us all week long, every week to keep you up to date on all the NFL offseason news. Remember to like, comment, subscribe on the YouTube page. Alright.


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[Assistant] This is a fun one. And Brinton, I will give you a s- did you want to say something? I- I cut you off for break there. No, no, no. You can always come.


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[Assistant] Very, very loquacious, which I do appreciate about you. Alright, if you could change one rule in the NFL, what would it be? And I actually have two of them, which I know it says one rule.


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[Assistant] But I have two. One, obviously I'm a 49ers fan, so teams should be allowed to dress.


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[Assistant] An emergency third quarterbacks that we don't have what happened in the NFC championship game happen again. And I also think that these roughing the passer calls should be reviewable because some of them in the last season were absolutely ridiculous. Obviously with two and the concussions, we do have to be more careful, but you should be able to review them. Those are my two.


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[Assistant] I'm going to read a couple of these from the chat. So Josh says, I want to change the role for pushing the quarterback on a QB sneak. What do you guys think of that? Because it is getting a little aggressive, the amount of pushing that's happening.


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[Assistant] How about the, the jersey grab at the end of the Super Bowl? If that's not, uh, impeding to the ball, then they should be allowed to have some leeway and not call that as a penalty. Obviously that's a very controversial one. I, yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm, I'm an Eagles hater at this point because I'm a 49ers fan, so whatever. For the Jersey grab, sorry you did that.


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[Assistant] What about making all refs full-time employees? How do you feel about refs not being full-time employees?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's a little bit, uh, what our buddy and good friend of the podcast, Rick Spielman, former Vikings general manager, talked about on with the first pick with Ryan Wilson was that


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[Assistant] It's a new podcast on CBS Sports Prince that you have never once plugged on this show.


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[Assistant] But no, Spielman basically said, hey look, if you talk to Jalen Carter on Monday to Tuesday before this news broke and he was forthcoming and he shared that information with you, then you're fine with it as a team and it's probably not going to hurt his stock too much.


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[Assistant] But if he didn't say anything, uh, then that's a gigantic red flag and that is where his stock takes a hit. So when it comes down to it.


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[Assistant] What happened at UGA was awful, but Jaylen Carter here has been charged with two misdemeanors. And I think most NFL teams, uh, are probably willing to overlook two misdemeanors. So I, you know, maybe instead of a top five pick, he drops into the top 12, but I don't think it's going to kill his draft stock.


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[Assistant] Uh, in charge of the sod or the grass for every single Super Bowl since Super Bowl I. The man is 94 years old. He does not give a single F anymore and he threw everyone under the bus.


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[Assistant] During this interview with ESPN, uh, I think his biggest problem was the fact that he was the name being associated with the slippery field and why the conditions were bad when in fact a guy named Ed Mangan is the one who was in charge of the field. He is the NFL's field director. Uh, so he had final say on how the field was treated.


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[Assistant] You think everyone knows that one. And then Tom also said that they weren't sanding it right. And this was just a total disaster. And you know, the NFL doesn't respond to this either. So yes, if I'm the Eagles, if I'm, I guess the chiefs want, so they don't care. But if I'm the Eagles, I am my rate at this information coming out now. What's crazy is that.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, the chiefs knew what they were getting into because they played in Arizona in week one and complained about the field. They said it was slippery. Harrison Bucker injured his ankle because he slipped on a kickoff. Uh, uh, Trent McDuffie got injured in that game too. And Andy Reid blamed both those on field conditions.


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[Assistant] And the Eagles actually played on this type of grass. They have that at their home stadium. So they probably thought, oh, it should be pretty similar. This is what we play on in Philadelphia. But obviously as Tyler has noted, the climate in Phoenix and Philadelphia are slightly different.


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[Assistant] Same page here. How's that even possible? If you gamble on, uh, someone to have an over four and a half catches in the Super Bowl, it's Juju Smith-Schuster and he gets hurt on the first play. You guys said it. It's gambling. What happens happens. Maybe he catches five passes on the first drive and hits the over. You don't get, you know, there's crazy things can happen. Uh, and that's what gambling, that's the name of the game.


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[Assistant] But, we're in communication now, so if you wanna text me about maybe coming back and playing for the 49ers,


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[Assistant] How about you, so Eric DeCosta had said that we're drafting receivers because, uh,


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[Assistant] His problem drafting receivers, he said if I had an answer that would probably mean I would have some better receivers.


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[Assistant] Yikes. Cause that's throwing all of your receivers under the bus. And then Bateman answered.


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[Assistant] How about you play to your players' strengths and stop pointing the finger at us and Lamar Jackson. Blame the one you let do this. We take the heat 24-7 and keep us healthy. Care about us and see what happens. Ain't no promises though. Tired of all lying and capping on the players for no reason.


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[Assistant] And let's not forget that also in that tweet he said, you know, keep us healthy and the Ram or the Ravens training room got a C on this latest NFLPA survey. Uh, and, and Bateman had at least two former Ravens players come out on Twitter and back him up saying, yeah, the training staff is garbage and this is why I miss several games.


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[Assistant] And, uh, you know, people pointing out the Bateman didn't miss any games in college, didn't have any problems staying healthy, got to Baltimore and now can't stay healthy to save his life. So.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe there, where there's smoke, there's fire. Maybe there's something to his complaints and I'm sure the Ravens didn't want their dirty laundry aired out like this. Uh, but it's out there now and now they have this and Lamar Jackson thing. That's a lot of fires to be putting out in the off season with a lot of your key players.


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[Assistant] No, I'm just, it is, it is all weird. I'll just say real quick that I, I think it's a hundred percent intentional what he's doing. Look, Aaron Rodgers is a four time MVP. He's a superstar quarterback.


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[Assistant] He knows that anything he does is going to be put under the microscope, especially in an offseason like this year and last year where he's the main focus. People want to know what he's going to be doing.


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[Assistant] So when he says, yeah, I haven't decided yet, I'm going to lock myself in a room with no lights or four days. People are going to write about it and pay attention to that. And he knows that and he's saying on the Pat McAfee show, he is very well aware of, uh, uh, just


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[Assistant] I'll say stay. I just think $60 million guaranteed. It's going to be tough for a team to take on. Uh, I don't know. I'm like 50. I'm 52, 48. He stays.


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[Assistant] They lost right ahead of uh, Patrick Mahomes, right? They did, Bengals didn't need a quarterback.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and all of three of our draft gurus, Ryan Wilson, Chris Trapasso, and Josh Edwards, all voted him as the guy most likely to run the fastest 40 at the combine. That doesn't necessarily mean they think that he'll break the record, just that he will record the fastest time out of any player. Uh, should we know last year, Tyquan Thornton actually ran an unofficial


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[Assistant] So it looked like he had the record broken, uh, but then when the score came in officially, he did not break the record. So players are getting a lot closer. It seems like they're getting a lot faster. Maybe they're practicing for the 40 yard dash a lot more because this is their chance to kind of put their name out there. You run the fastest time.


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[Assistant] I agree with Dominic, I don't think it's that, what are, what are, what's the odds on the over?


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[Assistant] I don't know, it must be. I mean, we've only seen, we saw a couple guys do it in 20, a couple years ago. It doesn't happen often. I'm gonna go over. I just like the over. I think someone goes out there and wows us and hits 40.


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[Assistant] Who would win the pick six dunk contest? How high?


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[Assistant] And then we'll just fill them in, boom, and each podcast for that subject comes up. Uhm, it's been a few years since you shared that one.


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[Assistant] Next year we should definitely be going out into a gym and doing these events as a podcast, uh, and betting them. Those will be our combine bets right there. Boom.


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[Assistant] To the ones who said we couldn't, that our dreams were too big.


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[Assistant] What's up, well, how you doing? I'm good. Uhm, I'm ready for...


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[Assistant] I don't know what I'm ready for. Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Yeah. Christmas? Yes!


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Fixix Podcast, CBS Sports Daily NFL Podcast. I'm your host, Conference Championship Weekend is here!


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[Assistant] Three more football games left in the 2022 NFL season. Insane to think about. This is our conference championships, conference championship, best bets show. Joining me to make some picks to, uh,


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[Assistant] Try and solidify one of their titles, I don't know, maybe RJ's already won, I don't know, quick.


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[Assistant] Track it, track it, fell far behind. Pete Prisca, RJ White, what's up fellas?


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[Assistant] Oh my God. I saw you at the Superbowl last year. That's right. I've seen you like one time in the past, like three years.


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[Assistant] Ping pong? I'm out on that. We are talking, I guess that's probably what we're talking about on Monday.


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[Assistant] I interviewed them both one time, a long time ago, well before I worked for CBS. They're very nervous, it was like my first week. I had to drive up to, uh, fly, maybe I flew to, uh,


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[Assistant] Lehigh, Pennsylvania. Lehigh, Pennsylvania. It's like the oldest high school rivalry in, uh, in


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[Assistant] In high school football and, uh, they were the, they were the honorary captains for the two teams.


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[Assistant] No, never happened. You would have 14 PR people bugging you. You'd have to like, you know, you'd have somebody.


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[Assistant] Uh, as Don points out, Lehigh vs Lafayette. I tried the oldest. No, it's not college. It's definitely a high school rivalry.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna bring it right down real quick. What is the, uh, how badly am I trailing? You fools. They're all freaking out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, RJ five and four, Pete six and three. I'm seven and seven. So if I, if I like went six and two this week, I would win if I, if I held on to the super, I'm like, I'm not dead for the playoff race.


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[Assistant] You didn't seem, uhm, thrilled at, uh, Brady's, uh, Woody Johnson chick.


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[Assistant] Yeah. He said, uh, anyway, you know, we don't need to talk about it. Um, the, uh, as you mentioned two and three, two and three for Pete and RJ three and four for me last week.


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[Assistant] And we have two games on the docket. Is, uh, we'll start with, you want to start with the, which game you want to start with? It's an early game. That's the late game.


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[Assistant] Billy, Billy is mistakenly under the impression that the Eagles game is the marquee game.


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[Assistant] Although unfortunately Billy, the chiefs in the pingos game is on CBS and the Eagles game starts earlier. So let's start with the Eagles and the 49ers if we can, if we can do that.


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[Assistant] CBS. So we start 49ers at the Eagles. That was me just filibustering until we got it up. Uh, three PM on Fox, the UFC championship game, the one seed and the two seed.


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[Assistant] The way it's supposed to be, the way the playoffs works. It's delightful over the total here. Excuse me. The point spread Eagles minus two and a half and it's minus one 15 and it's been that way basically since Monday record this Thursday afternoon.


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[Assistant] No real injury news involved here. The total is 46. That's dipped a little bit. Uh, we had Chris McCaffrey and Dima Samuel not at practice, and Elijah Mitchell not at practice on Wednesday. I don't think that's a big deal. CBC had some calf stuff going on in the game last week, but by and large, you know, Pete, this line is...


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[Assistant] And yet it, it has it because I think if you see a three pop up, you know, the sharps for RJ, we'll, RJ just from a line movement perspective, you would assume that.


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[Assistant] If this gets to three, it gets attacked, right? By, by the sharps in Vegas and whatnot.


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[Assistant] I mean, like if he's under siege from the Eagles pass rush, this could be a blowout. I mean, that wouldn't be shocking at all. I mean, look, I'm very conflicted here because I've been picking the Niners to make the Super Bowl since the playoffs started, but I picked the Eagles to make the playoffs before the season started and I have


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[Assistant] I have Super Bowl tickets on both, but I have an NFC Championship game ticket, or win the NFC Championship ticket on the Eagles too. So, like, I, my, I,


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[Assistant] I don't know why my heart says Niners. I've got like some best ball stuff. I prefer the Niners advance. Anyway, like, I'm not sure what I want here. Uhm, I kinda think that the Eagles find a way to win though. Uhm, but I don't know that it's necessarily a blowout. I mean, you know, this is a


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[Assistant] Oh man, I mean, the, the Niner's team is just so good and has so many different weapons, but you look at the Eagles, I mean, they haven't given up. Like what, I mean, what's the most, the most, they haven't given up more than...


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[Assistant] We've got more than 125 rushing guards once since like week 11. Now the teams that they played haven't exactly been a who's who of.


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[Assistant] I mean, the Cowboys throw over in week 16 and ran the ball. I just don't, I think, I think, I hope that this is a really good game.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's a chance of the 49ers blowing out the Eagles. But I do think there's a chance of the Eagles blowing out the 49ers. Does that make sense?


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[Assistant] Okay, well, uhm, I'm shoving the rules in RJ's face in this one and I'm going to take some, uh, I'm going to take some, well, you know what? I don't care. I mean, some of this stuff is juicier, like some of the props, but they're not, I'm not, I'm not taking anything egregious. Is that fair?


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[Assistant] You could possibly wait until a little bit later. I could see the Chiefs getting up to two. Uhm, not that it necessarily matters. I mean, you know, seven and a half, eight.


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[Assistant] You're not going to get plus seven and a half. Um, so I mean, just, you know, like that, just a, uh, just a, just a thought that you could.


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[Assistant] If you want to wait and you think that the chiefs line is going to get up, I mean, you know, you could get a better number, but I think as long as you're getting, or you move the teaser for cheaper, um, you know, as long as you're getting obviously past the seven, that's the key thing.


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[Assistant] On, on, on my site that I will be using. I'm going to put this in right now. I have a six to eight point teaser for minus one.


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[Assistant] Like a rookie quarterback has never won a championship game. They're 0-4. Can you name the 4-peat? You should be able to see the graphic.


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[Assistant] Like the idea that they're trading Trey Lance's off season is kind of silly to me. I mean, he's, they still have team control on the guy. They turned it a bunch of picks for like, he's not.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it is very likely a competition next year between Brock Purdy and Treland.


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[Assistant] But somewhere in between can get you through there. Uh, by the way, the rookie quarterbacks were...


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[Assistant] Wasn't Ben a rookie when he- Ben Roethlisberger is the next one, and then the other one- oh my god, I'm drawing a blank on it. Who's the other one? Crap. Do we have that- do we have that, uh, that graphic up there?


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[Assistant] Sean White. Thank you, Victor, in the comments. Sean, was it Sean White or Sean King?


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's, yeah. Hey, let me ask you something, uhm.


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[Assistant] We were having this discussion in chat. So, and this is a little off topic, but I just thought of it. You guys are always good to discuss with it. Uhm, the Dolphins are forfeiting their pick, right? This year?


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[Assistant] It matters a lot for over-unders in the draft. Right. You know, if you're betting draft props where it's like.


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[Assistant] I didn't write down the juice. They're not, they're not crazy. Uh, I got Quez Watkins under 14 and a half receiving yards. Just think we're going to see a concentration of targets with AJ Brown and, um, and Devontae Smith.


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[Assistant] Right? I just think that you look at the line, you look at the spread, you look at the spread, you look at the way that they operate.


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[Assistant] There's a pretty good chance that if the Eagles get a lead, they're going to start pounding the ball and not attacking, uh, vertically with, uh, with quiz walking. So I'm gonna take that under 14 and a half. I'm gonna take CMC over 33 and a half receiving yards. A lot of pathways to get there. If they're losing a trailing dump off to CMC, he's going to be the passing game plan anyway. Uh, and then.


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[Assistant] Uh, this is, uh, we're going to give an honorary honorary one to, uh, our man, John breach here, Robbie gold over one and a half field goals. Kyle Shanahan loves to settle for short field goals. It's not, does not want to go in fourth down. Won't do it here. Robbie gold over one and a half field goals. So those are my four bets for that game.


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[Assistant] Let's take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll break down what, how much Patrick Mahomes will play, how much injury will affect him in the entirety of the Bengals Chiefs game next.


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[Assistant] Chiefs and, uh, Chiefs and Bengals. I mean, yeah, Chiefs and Bengals. Bengals at Chiefs. Chiefs minus 1. Total of 47.


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[Assistant] There is a very good chance that we are going to get some BAFA ratings for this game. You can stream it on Paramount Plus.


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[Assistant] You should have Paramount Plus. If you don't have Paramount Plus, what are you thinking? It's a mountain of entertainment. Go to paramountplus.com and I'm pretty sure you get like a.


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[Assistant] Some kind of promo, maybe a free month or something like that. Don't hold me to that. But go check it out.


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[Assistant] Alright, first, before we talk about the game, let's talk about Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this line was Chiefs minus two, I believe, dropped down to one, dropped down to a pickup, moved across the board, Bengals were minus one, Bengals kept, uhm, you know,


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[Assistant] Bingo's kept, uh, creeping up, got to two and a half at one point, which you really should have teased the chiefs at that point. Forgot to. Then Patrick Mahomes on Wednesday does a


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[Assistant] Press conference. Andy Reed does a press conference. They're like, uh, Andy, you know, what's the deal with the injury report? He's like, no injuries report. Nobody's on the report. It's like, what? Excuse me. What? Your quarterback has an ankle sprain. Patrick Holmes comes out after him. No walking boot. No nothing.


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[Assistant] He goes up, does his press conference, walks off and like there's, you know, we, we showed clips and we showed a clip of him walking off yesterday. I mean, it's like he looked great walking off. Then there's video of him at practice, maybe a little less great. I think Pete that the chiefs made a purposeful show.


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[Assistant] Of Andy Reed going out there talking about the injury, the lack of injuries and then Patrick Mahomes coming out there like that. And maybe he collapsed after he walked through the door and left the press conference. I don't know. Um, but I think that they wanted, they wanted to present that in a very specific way. Your thoughts.


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[Assistant] That's, that's probably not right. I mean, seven points is a ton to the spread, but that's, that's balls. That's fair.


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[Assistant] Well, and so that was, that's what I thought was kind of interesting about what the chiefs did, like making sure my homes, it's like the homes is playing no fear. It's like, why wouldn't you make him look like he's limp and like, you know, he's hurt, put it on the injury report, make him doubtful, put it, put him limp, like make him walk limping around out there. And then see, then like the Bengals aren't game planning as much in terms of how they want to. Because he is her.


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[Assistant] You can see that on the accuracy and sort of the mechanics that can the second half against Jacksonville too.


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[Assistant] Where it was like, you know, he's sort of guiding the ball a little bit more in. And look, the other thing is, I mean, the two biggest deals for me are one, the plant foot and the mechanics and all that. And then two, it's.


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[Assistant] He is made a living in the playoffs, and I've said this like 7000 times, but I think it's really important, on third down particularly.


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[Assistant] Extending plays and getting out of the pocket and making crazy throws or using his legs to pick up first downs. And it's just going to be a lot harder here. And every time you slide or every time you, you know, you risk like trying to run and pick up something, you're exposing your ankle to a possible hit.


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[Assistant] What'd you guys think about the Sixers game last night? That's what they're talking about in the chat right now for some reason.


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[Assistant] He is, uh, limited practice, but I would guess he's limited again. He'll be, uh.


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[Assistant] Questionable as well today. Did not, Alex, uh, Jonah Williams and Alex Cappa did not practice, so.


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[Assistant] W W B B D. Like what would Bill Belichick do? Right? I mean, he would bracket Kelsey and he would force you to win with Marcus Valdez, gambling, Juju Smith, Schuster, and uh, Miko Hardman. I think also limited practice. Jared McKinnon, by the way, that's a big one. I think full practice for him. I'll be, I'm very interested to see what the chiefs do from a running back perspective because, um, I went and looked and I think that the, how would I look at, at the last time my homes was banged up, they used,


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying. I think that this will be a more of a Jared McKinnon game unless the Chiefs have some big lead and they want to lean on Pacheco. Pacheco also had those fumbles early in the year. The Chiefs, you know.


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[Assistant] When it gets to nut cutting time, they tend to trust, but they tend to trust those veterans a little bit more. I know what it was. They went, instead of Clybers or Laird, they went to Darrell Williams, 55-45 splits. So I think we see at least 55-45 snap splits.


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[Assistant] Leaning towards Jarrett McKinnon because they want to pass protect. He gives them a little more, um, versatility coming out of the backfield, able to catch the ball, can still run the ball. And it's only a Pacheco situation if they have a lead and they're trying to get downhill. Felt on that?


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[Assistant] So look, I mean, I've had a pretty firm stance on, uh, not betting against Joe Burrow in January. It's worked out fairly well for me. It cost me a lot of money. It taught an obscene amount of money. Uh, when he played Clemson in that national championship game, that was not a fun evening at the Princeton household. However, uh, since then I've made a habit of not fading Joe Burrow in January and have made most of it back with his Bengals games. Uh, I will keep doing that here. I look, I, um, oh yeah. So I've got a futures tickets.


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[Assistant] That I bet, like, before like December, right? I had the Eagles from, from April 38 to 1 to win the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] I have the 49ers from around Thanksgiving at 15-1 to win the Super Bowl and I have the Bengals.


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[Assistant] From at some point, uhm, when like, some point mid-season when I was like, the Bengals just looked like a good football team at 18-1 to win the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Well, and if the, and if the Eagles, if it's Eagles chiefs, I'm already up net because I had, I have a big ticket on the Eagles to win the MSU championship game too.


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[Assistant] Three and a half units on the Chiefs at like plus 230 to guarantee some kind of profit, I think at this point, which just seems dumb.


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[Assistant] I'm not, I'm not planning on, I'm not planning on, I just want to see, I just want to hear what you guys thought. The, uh, Chiefs are plus 261, so you're not.


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[Assistant] They're actually behind the, wow, they are the second favorite behind the Eagles, a little bit ahead of the Bengals.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm going to tell you one second because I actually saw these out there. It would be Eagles minus one. So that'd be a perfect hedging opportunity. Right. That's the move.


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[Assistant] Right. Because if the bingles, because if the bingles win and I hedge now, I'm out the...


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[Assistant] That's what the Superbook put out. Based on the Mahomes. I agree. Based on the game they'll have two weeks for Mahomes, so it'll probably be Chiefs minus two.


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[Assistant] I'm just presenting it in case other people have the same situation.


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[Assistant] So here's what Superbook put out for possible Superbowl matchups. It's basically the NFC team might have won in every single matchup.


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[Assistant] Right. As of, as of January 24th, what's the day? The 26th. So like two days ago. So, I mean, it's probably changed a little bit. Um, just because of the homeless thing, but okay.


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[Assistant] I'm not betting against your borough here. I think, I think it's going to be a great game.


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[Assistant] I will, I'll take the Bengals. You know, Dave, I, it's not about like they've been the chief script tonight, but Louie and a room is a really, really good job.


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[Assistant] Defensively against, like, he doesn't get enough credit for what he's done against, like, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes in these playoff matchups. Good second half adjustments so you don't worry about being, like, Andy Reid taking care of you at the break. Joe Burrow is a cold, stone cold killer. I think they'll try to run some, but I think they'll also let him pass early, let him pass often. They've got a full complement of weapons.


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[Assistant] Burrow doesn't flinch at any environment, at any matchup, and they just wanted to Buffalo and did exactly what they need to do in Kansas City. Do I, will my home's getting back in it and keep it close? I mean, almost certainly. It'll probably be a great game.


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[Assistant] That's why the line is one. I don't think any, I don't think either team will blow either of these teams out. I think if either team has a double digit lead.


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[Assistant] Then both of them are capable of getting right back in the game and nothing would surprise me in terms of the outcome. I think that Mahomes, uhm,


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[Assistant] Ankle injury is a way bigger deal than maybe it's being sort of like treated right now. I just think it's going to be hard to move in the pocket. It's going to be cold.


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[Assistant] Probably pump and float toward all or whatever else, but it's just going to be difficult to be mobile for him out there. So I will take the Bengals, uh, minus or plus one. I also have the Bengals in that teaser. As I mentioned, I'm going to take, uh, three overs for the Bengals as well. Burrow over pass yards, 279 and a half.


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[Assistant] Jamar Chase, over receiving yards, 83 and a half. And Samaji P. Ryan, over rush and receiving yards, 36 and a half. He'll just be involved if this is a shootout, uhm, and he can certainly break one on, in either, in either a receiving or reception or a rush. I like that mix of number two.


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[Assistant] 15-7 is a winner right there. Sweep. Look at that. 2 for Pete. Uh, 4 for Pete. No, 4. Yeah. 4 for each of y'all.


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[Assistant] Overlongest completion, 39 and a half, minus 199.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, you would, it'd be a real flipper if he hits that over his quiz for a 40 yarder, a little scoop slam for you. All right. That'll do it for us. That's the conference championship best bet show. Next time Pete's on the show, it'll be in person.


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[Assistant] We'll be doing, uh, by the way, on CBS Sports HQ, we'll be doing an hour daily from the Super Bowl, Pixix Podcast Show.


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[Assistant] Keep rolling us out there. So, um, make sure you're checking out TBS Sports HQ. Of course, we'll tweet out links to it. We'll let you know where you can go, but sort of, you know, plan ahead. If you want to join our listeners and viewers are always very loyal about helping us out on those shows in terms of getting viewership up. We always appreciate it. Um, I guess I hope some of y'all's bets win, but I hope I all mine win.


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[Assistant] Actually, I thought this Saturday's games was, I thought it was pretty fun to watch. I mean, if Billy will tell you, he had a great time watching the Eagles play. And I thought the first game was actually close. It wasn't close up until the moment that Arden Key maliciously tried to break Patrick Mahomes' leg.


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[Assistant] Uh, but Breach, I don't, knowing you for as long as I've known you, and you are incredibly positive, I would imagine...


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[Assistant] Also knowing your passive aggressive stealers nature, I would imagine that you were like, oh.


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes went out and you probably weren't sure he was coming back after halftime and maybe your hopes have dashed a bit when he did return, but I'm guessing pre-game and post-game, uh, the breach of meter is probably about the same place it started as it is now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, also, I mean, well, we'll talk about the second game later. I'm guessing we're starting with the Chiefs. So I'll start with the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, you mentioned that the Jaguars probably get rolled. Maybe, and I think in both games, the takeaway for me was that both the Jaguars and Giants


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[Assistant] Uh, are a reflection of their head coaches respectively. And again, as we go into head coach and hiring season, it's, it's just stresses the importance of getting the fit right because.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, Collins were sort of dancing around and Trico came out and just said, look man, Urban Meyer suck basically.


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[Assistant] Because that place felt so incredibly toxic, uh, throughout the Urban Meyer, um, you know, short tenure and even Doug Peterson.


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[Assistant] They have a lot of good young players. So this is a loss, but as Trevor Lawrence said after the game, you know, we're going to keep coming back and I don't doubt him one bit and there's no real downside for me breach in terms of how the Jaguars played in this game because they, they ran up against Andy Reid off a bye.


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[Assistant] Even a one-legged patch from home turns out to be pretty good. You're playing in Kansas City and the fact that they got there, uhm, is, that's the moral victory we talk about. Not the Vikings getting their doors blown off by the Giants after winning 13 games.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Breach mentioned it in our little chat and I wasn't sure what he was talking about because I thought that was just sort of, you know, it's common knowledge amongst us and not that we're smart because, you know.


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[Assistant] Compared to Billy, we're smart because he's an Eagles fan. I'll give you this in a second.


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[Assistant] Billy so desperately wants to come in here. Just wait a second Billy, you can. But yeaah, so I was shocked when Breach mentioned it. Not shocked, but sort of surprised. But he's right. And Doug Peterson appears to be in much the same way that baseball


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[Assistant] Folks were 15 years ago are taking advantage of, uh, the inefficiencies in the way that other coaches coach. Um, not to call out names, but Todd Bowles is incredibly conservative.


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[Assistant] And at times it costs his team points. Mike Tomlin has been conservative at times and you know, we can go down the list of guys, uh, that, that make their, their fans angry in terms of just ill time calls. So yeah, that was smart, I guess, but maybe it's just more of a case of doing what you're supposed to be doing as a head coach and paying attention. I don't know.


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[Assistant] But yea, no Breacher. It's funny you mentioned that because I was just going to say I was going to have to make a lot of qualifiers other than Travis Kelsey and Patrick Holmes. He's your MVP. And there's still like five or six other guys. Jalen Watson, for example, uh, had a fantastic game as well. The seventh round pick out of Washington State. I think that's where he went. Um, but yeah, Chad Hiney's ability to come off the bench and


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[Assistant] Stone cold. He is no Gardner Minshew. He is no Chase Daniel. He is every 100% Chad Eddie. And Brentz is right. Two years ago, the Browns thought they were going to go to the AFC Championship game.


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[Assistant] I think you're answering your own question because just, let's look to San Francisco. How old's that quarterback? I think it's all about the system.


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[Assistant] Well, he told Trevor Larson midfield that he's going to be fine, so I'm going to trust Patrick. And he was so freaking angry when Andy Reid, first he injured the ankle and then he came off the field and got it taped up. They took the time out and then the next possession after they punted, he's on the sidelines and he is as animated as I have ever seen him other than yelling at Eric Bieneme whenever that was early this season.


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[Assistant] I was talking to Andy Rees, but I'm not coming out. And then they sent him to the locker room. And I'm actually sort of curious. I haven't seen any reports of Breach Europe on such things. Maybe you know that up to the minute. But I would imagine they went to x-ray to see if he was broken. Or maybe they wanted to see if his knee, his medial MCL wasn't intact. I'm not sure. Because his knee got bent sort of funny.


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[Assistant] But then he came back out and just waited until halftime and Chad Henning was doing fine. So I'm, I'm curious about the, the old TikTok, as they say, about how that all transpired. Uh, but I have zero concerns about Patrick Mahomes because he'll be getting, you know, 24 hour treatment between now and whatever they play against Sunday, I guess, cause it's going to be.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you can have a high ankle sprain when it bends inward. I actually tried to look that up, but anyway, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Dude, the seventh round pick, Clyde Rosalair first round pick. And again, we keep going back and back to this, uh, running backs in the first round and there's gonna be running back at least one in the first round this time around. So you can find these guys and when you play at Rutgers, the takeaway is, okay, you're on a bad football team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, different draft, but right. I mean, the point is, you don't need first round running backs. Don't draft a running back in the first round, ever.


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[Assistant] Also, I say this, I've said this before during the season, I'll say it again, Pacheco was pretty ballsy to wear number 10 after Tyreek left. He, he looks a lot like Tyreek out there running around.


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[Assistant] Well, it's better to have one issue to work out instead of 50 issues to work out in the offseason, so that's a step in the right direction.


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[Assistant] Should the Bills win? Okay. Alright, let me give you the line and then Breach, you can, you can go forward. So if the, if the, um, if your team, the Bengals win, it's going to be, it'll be plus five and a half centsy.


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[Assistant] Similar to what it is now in Buffalo, I feel like, wins over Wilson. And then if the Bales win in a neutral site, it's gonna be, it's gonna be plus two and a half Buffalo.


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[Assistant] Him and Han, but here's the thing. The Bengals already beat them last year in Kansas City.


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[Assistant] And then Buffalo, you know, 13 seconds game, and then they beat the crap out of them earlier this season, if I recall correctly. So yeah, no, you, you, there's no argument for me on that. And I think that makes that five that you're talking about even more likely for, I mean, it's not going to happen.


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[Assistant] I was going to make my, my counterpoint was going to be well breached offensive line sucks.


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[Assistant] To reiterate, the Winsover-Wilson line for the Bills Chiefs game in Neutral Side Atlanta is KC minus two and a half.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. Early on they were really good with Coughlin and uh, Brudell. But right, yeaah. No, that's right. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] It goes back to Doug Peterson and Shotkahn's decision or whoever's decision it was to move on Herbert Meyer and then maybe Shotkahn getting out of his own way. Uh, Breach, I will say this and then you can give your thoughts on the Jaguars. I already said that I thought they did wonderfully. Um, what's his name? The, uh, the GM of the, uh, Eagles. What's his name?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Howie Roseman. That dude can hire coaches. Andy Reid, Doug Peterson, faced off. And then, you know, Billy's dude, Nick Seriotti.