[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That, you never get the like, perfect tuning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, and so there's, there's something about the levels of like where the hand rests and how it comes forward, uhm, with Nung's technique that one was immediately, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You've seen me punch more in fights now, like my cart chuck fight was like, all right hand.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because there's this interesting thing that I, I wrote about this on 8 Limbs actually, uh, many, many years ago, which was how to deal with, like, the pain of your shins.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Which, when you first come to Thailand and start training hard and fighting and going back to training and all these things where you're not like just training after work,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] How consistently your shins hurt. They think that something's wrong. And you're like, no, no, they just hurt for like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And now I just don't feel anything on my shins anymore. But uhm, in Thai, or Thai people,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But when I wrote this article, I was talking about how do you kick on painful shins, and there, you can put like a soccer shin guard on it to like create a hard buffer to kind of protect it, or what I discovered, helped me, is you just kick through the paint. It's like when you have a,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, like with the way that my hand is right now, going full rest is not gonna heal it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Trial and error in the process of still using it while it's in the state.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think that makes sense. I think that's kinda like how, it's the same thing with the like, sore tooth that you like, bite down on.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's really, it's just gonna hurt, so you just kinda like, bite down on your mouthpiece and go, kind of thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So I had, I just had two fights and in the first one I hurt my hand again.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I was thinking to myself, in that fight, okay Sylvie?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Don't try to not hurt your hand, cause you will definitely fuck it up. Like, you'll break it. Full stop.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You try not to hurt it. Just accept that you're going to hurt it and go with it like this is going to hurt.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It was okay, like, I didn't re-injure it, I didn't further injure it, it just hurt from what it is. Uhm, and I think that that's an important...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Distinction and understanding whether you're making yourself worse or not is like, don't try to protect it. Do what you're doing within like, reason.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's got this horrific hump on it. It's not natural.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, you talk about this because I actually didn't see it. You're the one.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm not- I'm aware that he's coming in.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I was not aware that he was entering like this, and you pointed out that he has this kind of like, it's almost like a right cross.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But, after I trained with Nung for the Muay Thai library,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Carahat slash nomsak noise, like, um, duck in, they do this little like diving under the wave thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] 20 years by the time I met him, he was like, leaned back on kicks.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To get a westerner to engage their hips, they have to lean back. Noon.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Connecting your, uh, elbow to your rib with like, sagat. All of these things are like, that's the trick you use to get the whole thing to lock into place.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, it's like when you have studied multiple languages and you start to see roots.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like, top five joys in life to use someone's technique against themselves.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not been able to do the thing that people are telling me to do, so to like, turn it against that person is...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The degree to which I care about my energy and physical whatever on keto is so small, I don't care. If I lost energy on keto, I'd stay keto.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because of what it does for my mental and emotional.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Stability, uh, and awarenesses. So.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just, again, by coincidence, having fights on EAT days.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Recently, like, I had maybe like four in a row or three in a row or something. I was kinda like, not-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Annoyance of like, what am I gonna eat? When am I gonna eat? Like, that's very annoying.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I guess sharp is really the way to say it. I just, it, if you put the two on side by side, which one I like, I like fighting fast at better. So uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] After a fight, I'm not one of those people, I'm not really that hungry after a fight, I'm not really that hungry after exercising or a run. Uhm, but, I-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When I first was fighting fasted, I was sleeping after fights, which I never could do. And then that went away, so that was like a temporary... thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I guess what we're trying to talk about nutrition and how it relates to fighting, uhm, there are not


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I also train every day, so my body is used to training fasted.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Again, we're talking about energy levels and physical and all of these things because that's what people ask about. Uhm, but, really, the thing that matters is mentally how I feel on keto and training and fighting. Uhm, and having that, you've talked about this, that


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not fed. It actually goes into more peak.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The philosophical sense unlinks your state from your proximity to food.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But even mentally you're like, I haven't, I had a late lunch and so now I'm too full or I didn't have lunch and I've only eaten since this morning and so now I have no energy. Like being concerned about when you ate or what you ate or any of these things mentally has an effect of like, oh I'm so tired because I haven't eaten since whatever.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The way that I fast and eat, I have no coupling between when I ate and how I feel.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, but I don't, I don't let it turn into a full jello. It, it's basically like-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Our bodies are actually totally like Highlander, where like you have to like take someone's soul to add to your soul. It's like, if you want


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like X Games people or uhm, these mountain climbers. It's not like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] ...extension of the library in that I just voiced the Net Saknerong, uhm, library session fresh.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And now we're gonna talk about it like, hey, I just read this book in the library.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, this was an interesting thing for me about voicing. This one in particular is that when we went to train with Net,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, here in Patia, there was a long part in the beginning that's just warm up.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, you know, warm up, change to this thing, whatever, and it's very routine.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And for a very long time, this, this is something that I'm like, let's just get past this, or let's skip this altogether, or whatever the thing is. Net is 64 years old. He's in amazing shape, but...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, the thing about putting it in context and what you're saying about like, we want you guys to have context so that while you're looking at it, you-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I just want you to see things- I'm getting there. I want you to see things that I see, is that instead of like, oh what a boring 15 minute calisthenics work- workout,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To me this is, to me this is, to Kevin this is boring, to me this is interesting, uhm, putting it in the context of like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, I was giving an example of how putting things in context allow you to see them differently than, let me fast forward, I already know how to throw a kick, is what is he showing you about the kick.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And, uh, Pudpadnoy, who I really want to get for the library, who's silver age. He's older than that. He's 70 now, I think already.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He was in France for like 20 or 50 years. Yeaah, I think he was the very first.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Weapons from certain people, like I want to get diesel noise knee and, uh, Yokunpon's elbow as if it's like a adventure video game D&D where you're like collecting weapons or like you have to like stockpile this to get to the next thing. It's not, it's not like that because each of those techniques and what's amazing about them is not


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think that's what's incredible about learning it from that person rather than like, snipping it out.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But why I focus on a detail, like to me, one of the most amazing things about the session with Net is the way that he kept emphasizing where my foot landed near his foot.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But it's so important to how everything else grows around it. It's the seed.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Around all these other things, it's like, stand here. Kinda thing. And it's like how, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like I'm gonna learn to fire a bow really good, right? There's, there's a whole body map


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think the first time I realized this was in a Yodkunpon, my first Yodkunpon session was that millimeters make such a big difference. Is that when I was watching my foot in this session, it was like, okay, I'm stepping here.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Such a difference for what your overall balance and distance is.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, and that's not something that if you watched a five minute highlight clip or, uhm, if you, uh, watched it out of context.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In the inner game of tennis, the author talks about how technical corrections just in isolation don't make sense. If you're like, uh, you need to loosen up your grip. Loosening up your grip is


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Close compared to what? Like it's...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because I wasn't feeling it. Like if I had felt stepping here allows this, if I had felt that, I would have known I was miles away from this place.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, which goes back to the me working on eye contact, which was also something that Net...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is that, it's not just looking in the eyes, it's the discomfort and connection. It's that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Synergy feels like something is what keeps me from doing it. So you have to get back into it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I got this and this is where you step. Like yeaah, I know you step there. But when I step there, I don't feel that holy shit get away from me that you feel when a fighter of that caliber


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Kenneth Branagh on Broadway or something doing it and the way that he says exactly the same thing actually infuses meaning into what those script words are.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That was something that Joe Hongtong said, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That, again, there are things that you can learn during library sessions that are not


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Technique or even movements, it's these men who being who they are are expressing something, talking, they're expressing something. He was talking about how he used to have to like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] After the Golden Age, he's young, so he was watching all of the Golden Age fighters when he was a fighter coming up. And he was like, you'd watch it, and then you would go to training and you'd be like, okay, you'd be Lamsoan, and I'm gonna be Lamnamoon, and we're gonna do this thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I've had that where like, I am fucking up the technique over and over and over again and then I'm like, oh wait, be Karahat. And I like, wear his attitude and it works.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's getting used to that discomfort. It's, it's a cliche, it's getting, get-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Standing next to somebody when they're talking to you, like, this is comfortable, this isn't, stand here.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I have this problem and then Shay, who's been training at our gym, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's like I can't, I don't want to touch this thing because it's uncomfortable and I don't want to be impolite.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But it's, it's one of these things that like uhm, when you're coming to Thailand, you read in a book, don't point your feet at things.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Don't touch anyone's head. Uhm, you know, all these things that...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I see people moving stuff with their feet all the time, which they say don't do, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't wanna be impolite touching someone's head. Right? I'm not gonna go around touching everyone's head in order to get used to touching my trainer's head. But in that context,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's not, don't touch here, don't touch there. It's, what's uncomfortable, do that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, down in the south, and uh, Hippie Singh Manee, who is the 105 pound legend of the south, set up this fight for me and we're actually going to be driving through his hometown in the next hour or so.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Archiving preserving the changing technique of Muay Thai across Thailand.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We have more than 100 hours of long form training.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In the library as we're speaking right now, which to me is incredible because it's actually a library.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, the guy who cut my hair before, uh, I've changed, it's the same barber shop but a different barber now, but the guy who was cutting my hair for about a year found Muay Thai Bones on the YouTube channel and was like, you should translate this into Thai. And I'm like, I would not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Non-existent for like six months, and then, uh, now I'm starting to fight again, but it's again.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Definitively how things are scored, it's like, it's kind of interesting how things are scored, so let's talk about it, and here are some examples of when it's this way, and here are examples when it's that way, rather than like, uh, kick is worth four points, like it's, we don't talk about that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, I was like, Kevin, you gotta look at this thing that fell from the tree that's like wedged in the rear view mirror because it's so weird and cool looking. And then when I went to remove it, I was actually terrified of it and didn't want to touch it. But it seems to have...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We've been a Trojan horse of ants to the car.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We're not an authority, which is why when I answer I'm like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This is how it's always gonna be and this is how it never is because there's a lot of...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's a lot of feeling, like there's, we're always talking about the narrative scoring of Thailand and when something is narratively scored


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's a, there's a feeling about the fight that influences it rather than like I wrote down on a calculator how many times someone touched someone else and that's...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You have judges, right? Like it's not how many goals you score in soccer, you have judges. So.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It can be a little bit tricky and then there are times when we are watching Muay Thai where we understand for the most part Thai scoring and something happens that we're like, I don't understand how they arrived at that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And in, in being a fighter myself, Kevin comes to my fights, he films my fights. Sometimes when Kevin films me,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He has an impression of the fight from having filmed it, from watching it through a tiny lens. It's very different from if he had watched it just as an audience member and then it's different again when we watch the footage that he's taken, like, there's this weird rippling effect of where you're standing and how far away from the fight you are, whether you're watching on TV or live or anything, like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I've likened it before to when you go to a comedy show, how funny the audience finds the comedian is going to influence directly how funny you find the comedians jokes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] On our phone, we were showing one of my trainers at Lana Muay Thai uhm, a fight.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So in the, in the West, uhm, in America, I've actually heard people who are pretty familiar with Thailand Muay Thai and like advocates of


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Muay Thai scoring becoming more regulated in the U.S. because it kind of varies state by state. They're always like the judges don't know how to look at or score Muay Thai because they come from boxing or because they come from this. Like they just aren't.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It is way farther from tennis or soccer or something like this. Uhm, and like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] My point that I was making, I'm not saying that it's so different from boxing. I'm saying that if you kind of understand boxing, but you're having a hard time understanding Muay Thai, trying to be like, I don't understand why it's not the same here, is that what you really should be comparing Thailand Muay Thai scoring to is poker, not another sport.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because the poker face, or the same concept of poker face and bluffing and holding your cards until the right moment, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All plays into how Muay Thai is scored and performed in Thailand. That's why...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The kind of like brief rundown people give of like, rounds one and two don't matter, three and four do, and then five you dance off. Like, that's...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Actually, if you're like a poker player who understands when to bluff.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, how, how your poker face, like if your poker face falls late in the game when you've already like driven the price way up and then your poker face falls?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's a terrible, terrible time. You're not gonna win that game. We were watching a Muay Thai fight on TV where one fighter clearly won.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The entire fight in terms of like, scoring performance, but his poker face fell apart.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, near the end. And he lost, and it's like, that's what happened.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, you never like did that score or not in soccer. It's like the ball went past the line.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You got them to fold, you win. Your hand doesn't even matter anymore. It doesn't matter what your cards are.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Pyrodnoid was a fighter from the golden age. He was half of the fight of the century when he fought, uh, Rambo.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We just put him in the Muay Thai library. He's very cool. We're interviewing him about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Whereas before the influence of gambling was less like, you better not fucking lose, so you could kind of like, experiment a little bit more. But like, hitching...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Who, he will lose. He doesn't lose often, but he can lose, but even if he loses, he fights hard. Like, you're not getting a fighter who might fold.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You're not getting a fighter who's like, I put money on you, and they're like, uh, I don't know if his pair of twos is aces, and so they fold.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] One of the things that the owner of Paedongkong, which, uh, became an all-female gym for a while, and I had fought his fighters and he really liked me, something that he said to me was, Sylvie fights all five rounds, she's crazy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You have really conservative players who don't want to put a lot of money on something unless they're really sure. They'll fold really fast and like come out.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] High roller who like loses a lot of money but can like get it back through the like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I have to correct myself. Um, Harold Noah is the one who was talking about how you had to entertain more.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I wrongly attributed to that interview, the part where he was talking about how you had to get gamblers to believe in you and fight to the end. That was actually Wong Chinoy texting me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Wang Tanoi is also in the Muay Thai library. You can go watch two sessions with him. Uhm, he's...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Incredible. He fought everybody. We actually just, the reason he was texting me is he was answering other questions I'd asked him. He had this incredible four years.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He lost once, which is why he said he didn't become fighter of the year that year.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's like composure, like your actual visage and like your projection of confidence and composure.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Geek out about fighting arts, know that it's very psychological, they know it's very mental, they know that there's a, like, psyching your opponent out game. Ray Velez, who I took boxing from in America, uhm, for a while before coming to Thailand, he is amazing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, but he had this whole thing about like, when he would go way in, he would act like a punk. So that his opponent would think nothing of him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, he's like, I would go and act like a punk at weigh-in so that nobody would take me seriously and then I'd fuck guys up in the ring. And it's like, I think people understand the psychology of fighting in that way.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Or like, sandbagging for two rounds or whatever. But when you compare it to poker, where it's like, you're reading how your competition is


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's a, there's a very western thing that's like, I'm gonna go in a fight and do all the things I'm good at and kick someone's ass and I have all the tricks and I have all the psychology.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The whole thing about like making eye contact or not is it's dangerous because what if they're better at it? Like what if...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Their eye contact fools you. Instead of like, this is the trick, you use eye contact to like, psych out your opponent.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You're susceptible to those things too, like you can be psyched out too. So comparing it to poker to me is this like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because you play them, you have to know that they play them too. We started learning a little while after that fight that


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Agahn is what they call it in Thai. He showed no effect from being elbowed across the ring. He got up and did this little like head shake that was like, that's nothing. So that's the like, I'm gonna show that that did nothing. I'm gonna perform that that did nothing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm saying there are two ways to go about psychologically, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The more recognition and shine I get, the bigger of a problem that is.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's what you're interested in so we'll talk about.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's like a routine, like a daily routine of training when you're part of a gym, which is what I was doing day in and day out for six years.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Belong to anybody. I was Master K's student, but I would go to these other places to get.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You can't do that. Uh, so it's very difficult to belong to a place.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, be who you are or shut it down to be respectful is an incredibly painful, um, spot to be standing in.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To me, what's really difficult about it is that my sense of justice...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is one in which everything is weighed case by case. Like, you look at the circumstances of something.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To me, there is something very difficult about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To me, I know people who, on the leg, blurt out, stand back and don't look directly at it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, this is a big difference between male opportunity and female inopportunity.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Basically just get put onto a slide and the slide goes to where you want it to go.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As a female fighter that doesn't really happen, like, you kind of always have to piece together from several other places, and it's way more offensive, I think, as a female to do that. There are men


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Who I see on social media who hop between like three or four gyms, kind of on a slow rotation.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We have nothing to do with you, you just train here and you train there also. Uhm, but I think that it's very hard for, because we don't have pathways that are slots that are like, okay, you come to this gym and then you fight on these shows and you have this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, what just happened is a really good example. So, Hippie set up this fight for me in the south, which is what we're driving back home.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hippie Singh Manee was a fighter in the golden age.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you ask Karahat, who was the best, he's like, Hippie was number one. Uhm, he was 105 pounds and fought


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Everybody fought up a lot, and he fought people on their way up, like all of-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hippie was amazing. He's one of the few people I've ever met in my life who is


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Unreal in terms of how confident he is. And yet you agree 100%. You're like, yes, you should be that confident. Like you are exactly what you think and say you are. He's incredible.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, he's in the Muay Thai library. You can watch him there. He has a gym, uh, town in town in Bangkok. You can train with him there. Uhm, comes down to the south.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, so, so Hippie is the connection that got me this fight, and he went. He was there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, which we're looking into whether we can maybe help get it translated and things like this. Uhm, but this is a very like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I really represented him well, I fought well, I did well down there, so it's like good for Hippie, good for me, like we're basically like, uhm.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Started representing Hippie in a like fighting with his name, training at his gym, all of these things. All of that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He actually came to Petring Rung when Diesel Noi was a guest there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, he just like, he's like, I'm gonna be in Patio, I'm gonna come see you. And he came to see me, and he couldn't help himself. He just like, threw himself into training, which was so cool. It's li- it's free on YouTube. This day it may be coming.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think it's an hour. Uhm, but.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When I came out, Hippie was telling me that I need to like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But there's also like, this really beautiful part of actual representation, which is very real. Which is like, my fight before this one, I had Karaha in my corner.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] His fighters don't fight with his gym name. None of them have the Surat name. They come from somewhere else, but you're like, I know where they train.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We're like, you know that that's a Kiakam corn fighter, like they're, they're all kind of knee fighters. They don't, they're not the same kind of knee fighter, but you're like, I know that they train.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's like when people convert to a religion, they're the most hardcore.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, it's, I wanna be very careful to point out that this is not like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The bigger I get, the more recognition I get, the more people there are being like, I taught solely.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, I'm connected to Sylvie, like, yes, it's win-win-win for everybody.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I do have a home, I do have the Petrunger, I had the Petrunger name, I had like this kind of like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's skin in the game for this one spot, and there's not a lot of skin in the game for all these other people who can just benefit on it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But you also don't want to just hitch yourself to another problematic


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So finishing up the name change thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] People know me as Sylvie Petring-Rung, so even if we tell people this other name, they're like, we know who this is, and they just put...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Telling people that it's, that Chemical X is a sponsor might ensure that change more.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you're familiar with, uh, the Chemical X of Powerpuff Girls, it takes that rhyme that girls are sugar and spice and everything nice.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In Thai, they say cheat. Cheat is to inject, like a injection of medicine or something like this. When gamblers cheat, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] A fighter in the ring, they're like, I will give you 5,000 baht if you knock this guy out in this, in this round kind of thing. It's just like.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, something into the Thai female fight scene.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes. It also has X for like the X chromosome. Um, but, uh, Kevin doesn't like


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Timestamping things in life that won't be relevant.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Or will only be relevant in this time, but I just want to mention that because we're just coming from this all-female fight card,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's very rare to have a female fight card that they just had two male fights stuck in, which is totally the opposite of how it normally goes, which is like, a fight card is all men and then maybe you have one or two female bouts in there, and so this is like contrast.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The men didn't matter, kind of. What was really funny about it is that like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, I went to, we went to a, uhm, college that was like 75% women.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Sarah Lawrence. Uhm, but what was interesting for me is that


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Men should be embarrassed kind of thing, that's not what I'm talking about. It's that when you shift the, like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When it's mostly male and then you have two female fight cards, you see how hard female fighters fight, especially in like, Isan, and we were seeing it in the south, we hadn't really seen that before, so we didn't know, but like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the referees let it go, like it was really exciting. And then the men got in and they're like, I'm gonna use my technique. Whatever, it's like, just not the same.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But that to me, there was something about this like when you see the, uhm, dominant part of female fights and then this kind of minor...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And we'll put in some comparison. Male fights is like this, the chemical X of female fighters.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Young female fighters when they're just fucking like going for it, uhm, that to me was a


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Female fighters who people know in the West, like Loma, uh, Pet Ji Ja, Cao Sing, Green.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Girls fighting fucking hard in like, province fights.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's where it comes from. At a certain age, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They kind of maybe move into more of a like, like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Femur, like, nobody will fight me, now it's all done fun, like all these different things happen, but they grew out of what we were watching.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In that female fight card. That's what made them what they are.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is really cool. Uhm, we wanna grow that. We don't wanna like, change that. We wanna like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In America, I don't know, I wasn't raised anywhere else. In America, in Colorado, I actually had pretty decent health education. It's still complete shit. I've been menstruating for more than 20 years.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's different for everybody. Everybody experiences.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Can't go to work when you're, like, just, you know, suck it up and be tough kind of thing. Like, it's different for everybody. What was crazy for me, I was, I have three older brothers, I'm the only person.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This is a thing you do not let anyone in your family know is happening to you. You smuggle the, you know, pad into the bathroom at school totally pan in the air. This is my experience of, uh, being someone who meds stories my entire life. In learning to track it,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then when I started tracking it, it's very, very regular and I had no idea.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The way that we're taught to understand our bodies.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In America, where I grew up, is it only matters when you're bleeding and nothing else matters. You think your period is five days, you don't think of an entire menstrual cycle. I didn't. Ever.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes, PMS is a thing, but I never thought that would be at the same time, like in a cycle, like it, it's just, it's totally something that you like shove to the side. So I have learned to track.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just when I'll be leading so that you don't surprise yourself or you know to be prepared or whatever, things like that. I had never thought to track the entire thing. That like, day 15 matters.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And you can track symptoms like, uh, bloating.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, how heavy it is, if there's any kind of irregularity spotting, blah blah blah. Basically so that you can just create a track record and then look back and be like, oh.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Last month I also was bloated on this day, like this is something that happens to me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When Kevin started talking about this follicular and luteal thing, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I had never thought of the entire cycle. It's, I've heard that there's like a 28 day cycle. I know that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So the fact that your hormones shift so much in that time, I had, I had had experiences in training that


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I refer to it as rawness. I feel very raw. And it's so intense that it's like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It is uhm, heightened sensitivity to pain, like it does hurt more, my like pain threshold is really low, it is that, but it's an emotional rawness that I just cannot handle.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I'm not saying that I'm even gonna not do that anymore, I'm still gonna push on those days, but knowing that I can actually make adjustments to be like, okay, maybe, well, maybe I'm jumping ahead.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So on those days of rawness, like emotional, physical rawness, the way Kevin was saying it's like training two people, it is actually like I'm a completely different person.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And now I can't fucking handle anything what is wrong with me kind of thing. There's nothing wrong with me. On top of that, Kevin talking about the hemispheres of the brain firing differently.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This part's, this part's where I feel crazy but it's actually a thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Parts of your brain are actually heightened that will recognize facial expressions, but not all facial expressions, particularly, what is it, angry?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So this is a thing that I literally experienced, which is that I look to Kevin.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I read his face to see whether he's disappointed in me, whether he's happy with what I'm doing, whatever. My brain...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] How much we hate women, honestly. Like that there's something wrong with you and you should be able to not do this or avoid this or something. Like there are actual things happening in the brain.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And another thing that was interesting is during the luteal phase, which is after ovulation, uhm, the brain will hold, like remember,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So why this is really interesting is that if you're sparring in your follicular phase pre-ovulation and you have a bad sparring day,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's not gonna stick as hard, so it's kind of okay.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you're in your luteal phase, exactly the same day, exactly the same experience, your brain is like, I fucking suck, and I can't lock right kicks, so I don't wanna stand here anymore, and you'll remember it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you know me, I don't say this stuff ever. That's not my thought process. Instead, when we're talking about training to people, is


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Can be a much better coach if you're aware of how to talk to your fighter. And as a fighter, if you're aware that on the follicular side,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, I think is important and I again want to emphasize this because the way we talk about women, uh, and people who menstruate and hating female


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I was going through a very serious crisis when we first left Petrengrung. It was very, very hard for me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I went into a place that to me kind of felt like when you're drunk and your filter comes off and you're just like, kind of...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This is real. So if your hormones...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, so I made a video of this that you can see that shows a little bit of like what, uhm, I can't actually think of the word in English.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So like, there are these like, uhm, articles.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That I'm following, so it's like my aggressiveness, dominance, worth, which is like days that I feel like


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, which is kind of like an energy thing. And then right after that is recovery. Because there are times that my endurance is really low.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But my recovery is really high. So like, I'm tired, but I can pull myself back.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What was interesting is that we've only been tracking this for, I think it's only the second month now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And he's like, just so that you can know that you might be hitting a rough patch. You might be hitting some, you know.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Turbulence for the next couple of days. And just knowing, like when I went the next day, Kevin didn't come with me, I went alone. And just in my head being like, today might suck.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Focus on something else, like focus on strength or focus on just standing closer, like something that's not technical.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because your brain's not in the right place for it. I also, I wanna make sure that I mention this because there's such a strong tendency to be like, well that's not my direct experience so it's not real.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't take birth control. I don't take any kind of hormonal birth control. So people who menstruate who are on hormonal birth control might have


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Weird hormonal stuff going on where you're constantly in a certain.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Worth is my word for what probably many people would call motivation.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That when I have a low worth number.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's not good. Like, it's, those are really, really hard days where it's like, what the fuck is this for?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, it's really like I wanna quit, like high, high quit thoughts, but then there's


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Days that that shifts, where worth is quite high, where it's like, I'm getting better, like I can feel myself getting better. And it's people who call this motivation, it's like a...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's also a, I can't think of the word now, there's also a like, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Nobody is fearless. Like, you should not be ashamed if you're feeling fear. You just have to deal with that fear.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We really like to think that there's a real version of ourselves.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then some kind of like, performed version of ourselves, but we're always like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you have a tendency towards rage, that's not the real you, it's just a really well-worn groove.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you have a tendency towards being submissive and polite, that's not the real you, it's just the groove that's very well worn that you're gonna like habitually go towards because water follows the path of least resistance.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There are days that you're tough, but then, fuck, the real me is showing where I'm really tired and not performing well.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Both, both are incredibly real and you go between the two and you have to find some kind of like, this is how I deal with myself on this day, this is how I deal with myself on that day. Uhm, and,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All of it is about adjustment. None of it is about fixing. None of it is about, I don't do that anymore.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Cause what I was saying before about how like, fighters are fearless, like, no.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You have different levels of fear and how you deal with that fear is what makes you


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Good or not good on that day. It's not like I solved that fear problem and now I'm never scared again kind of thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, it's the same thing that I was saying about finally learning or finally giving myself permission to give importance to my cycle and track it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I had to cut weight for this fight. Only a very, very small bit, but I have such small experience cutting weight because I always fight people bigger than me that we did like a test run.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Your body does different things and your hormones do different things in terms of simple, simple stuff like holding water.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So where you are in your cycle will make it easier or harder even to cut weight. You still have to cut the weight.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't know. There are things that are like, I've noticed I don't do well when I've only slept two hours. Where people like, totally understand that connection.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And you can kind of solve that by trying to go to bed earlier, try to not have caffeine, whatever, like there are all these adjustments you can make to try to get more sleep.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You can't change that part, so how do you adjust on the other side of it?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This is an interesting example of the adjustment.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, I don't know if we've talked about this on a bones before, I feel like we have.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I do really well performance wise when I'm a little bit pissed off. Like a little angry is awesome for Zolene. I can't switch it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Quite yet, it's not like a light switch for me quite yet, but I can kinda like access it a little bit more.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We'll have a vocab word of the day, Mithridatism is the word.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Who is it who says that, uh, poison is a matter of dose? Is that Aristotle?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The thing is, it's not a like, little bit, little bit, little bit where I'm...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not feeling it and now I can take more kind of thing. It's like you are taking a dose that makes you sick everyday but it's not killing you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because it's so hard, uh, to...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I've talked about this before, actually, in Muay Thai Bones before, that when you are not a man,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The whole spectrum of not a man, uhm, and raised in the patriarchy, you struggle from this, you have thoughts, and then you have feelings about those thoughts.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Acknowledge that there are things outside of my control and blah blah blah blah, that you just totally default back to the like, there's something wrong with me, like I don't have, it's very very hard to actually, uhm, internalize and re-record things that you've been raised to, uhm, believe in.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, Kevin and I have talked about, uh, my diet before on Muay Thai Bones. You can look it up. Uh, we call it 1 plus 1 Keto.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The short version of it is that, uh, we only eat every other day. So uhm, there's like a 36 about hour fast.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So on the day that we eat, we eat for ketosis, uhm, and then there's a full day of fasting and then eat again. I totally train like this. I fight like this. This is all the time. There is no adjustment made to like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The reason I went keto was a hundred percent


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Taking away the impact that probably carbs and sugar were having on my mental state and in doing so it had the positive effect that I was hoping it would have and so I've stuck with it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I am not a kind of person who is like, you should do this diet for moral, ethical, or political reasons. Everyone should-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] See what happens, mess with it, see what happens then, like basically experiment. So my diet has changed again recently.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Still 1 plus 1 keto, but I've taken dairy out.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, today's an eat day and I had an iced coffee and I just put coconut milk in it instead of the heavy cream that I normally would put in it. Uhm, but the reason I took dairy out, uhm, was Kevin and I have been testing my blood since I went keto.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, I've been having some like abdominal issues, lots of pain. I think I had a ovarian cyst. Uhm, I had one in college so I kind of knew.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What that felt like and so suspected it and got it checked out, whatever. So on this blood test, Kevin just had this intuition. He's like, I want you to take this cancer marker test at the same time because they can do that in the blood test.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Maybe not surprisingly, but very horrifyingly, when those tests came back, I had high markers for ovarian cancer. Uhm, so I went to the-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But so there are, there are other things, other conditions that can cause these markers to be high other than cancer, which is why you go and have it checked.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Something that used to be categorized as endometriosis, but now has its own category, uhm, it's called adenomyosis.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So basically what that is is that your endometrium in your uterus grows into the muscle of your uterus and then


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, does what endometrium tissue does, which is that when it's time to shed it during your menstrual cycle, it bleeds into the muscle instead of coming out of your body, uh, and creates scar tissue and that can cause all kinds of like swelling and general inflammation in your body. Um, it can be quite painful.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, and it actually causes intestinal, like gastrointestinal.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Again, as we're talking about like making adjustments and tracking things and sensitivities, I am so much a bite down and deal with it kind of person.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That when we talk about me having gastrointestinal problems and this pain for... The pain's not been that long, maybe...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Situation, you want to try to deal with the, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, they're like, why are you doing that? A bunch of vegans jumped on and told me why that's a great thing that I'm doing that. Uhm, but the, in the vein of like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Study yourself, make yourself a subject of one experiment, check what's good for you, might not be good for someone else, what's good for someone else might not be good for you. Is that, I'm a little bit, uh, what's the word?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Insecure about this idea of a very like


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Tracking my hormones, tracking my cycle, that's all hormones. So it's even possible that what I'm experiencing with my hormonal shifts have to do with this. Not only did they cause this, but this is causing them to fluctuate more, things like this. If you can make some change that has a significant impact,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] On, uh, your performance or how you feel or even just how you feel about yourself.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Go for it, and it does not matter whether...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Other people agree with it, whether it's easy, whether it's like... Like Kevin was saying, everything's a trade-off, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To like, have my gastrointestinal thing be...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This was the weirdest thing, is that because we only eat every other day, I had actually suspected that I had a dairy sensitivity.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I, I've kind of been like, it can't be the dairy because I'm not eating every other day.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When I cut it out for, I think it was within three or four days, which means that it's just lasting, like the inflammation lasts for long enough that it was still hitting me on the every other day fasting. When I cut it out for three or four days and that inflammation went away, it's that whole like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Ah, shit, it's been two days and I haven't had a stomach ache. And then it's been seven days and I haven't had a stomach ache. And then it's been two weeks and it's like, this is incredible. The, the getting rid of dairy was like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Caffeine does affect me. Caffeine does cause pain, inflammation. I've actually, in certain parts of my cycle when my uterus is already inflamed, I've tried to reduce caffeine more on


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] At that time, like, okay, I can kind of get away with it more on these days, less on these days. It's a trade-off thing where like the impact of getting rid of caffeine


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is actually more than the impact of getting rid of dairy, where it's like, that trade-off is not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Monitoring yourself not in a self-centered, obsessed way, but in a...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm important in how I feel can be adjusted way and that everyone's different. So finding what those small things are for you are worthwhile.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think that the dairy was causing inflammation and bloating and the bloating has gone away and so that's like a kind of shrinking down.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Conditioning or power, it's just like a body composition change. That is interesting.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Multiple gyms. People who've known me for quite a long time be looking at me and they're like, what are you eating right now? You look really strong.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, we're not sure about this because whey is dairy, so we don't know whether it's a lactose or dairy situation.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I also, I also want to say that I, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't, I'm a Buddhist, I believe in the middle path. There is no like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's nothing honorable or righteous or like glory about total restriction and like, oh I don't need that blah blah blah kind of thing. If there's a benefit to it, be like that. But there's also nothing great about like kind of hedonism and like overdoing things. You want to find this kind of like middle thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And people who have been on it for a while and then gotten off of it kind of complain that it's so restrictive and like uninteresting. I don't feel


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In the way that I eat, like I'm restricted, I don't feel like I'm missing out, I don't feel like I don't get to eat delicious or fun things.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If it was like that, I probably still would lean towards it because of the benefits of not being a crazy person. Like everything I do is to kind of keep my...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not being able to eat chocolate cake at a birthday party kind of thing. That's something that is a trade-off for me that's valuable. But I also, I don't, I don't wanna


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't even know if this is an accurate comparison, but it feels like an accurate comparison to me, is that people who cut a lot of weight in the West for their, like, fight


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then on the other side of it is some kind of like celebration reward kind of thing that's really unsustainable and uhm, kind of like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You should be patted on the back or celebrated for the restrictiveness of it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's nothing healthy about or beneficial or honorable about the restrictiveness of it itself.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Eat these things, look at how great I am. Instead, it's like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't know, I don't want people to feel like they are...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, or that they're failing by not being all the way on this edge of it. Like, there may be some people who, for them, they get a benefit over here.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because I'm so extreme, I don't want people to think that if they do some...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For other people, casual drinking, whatever, fine. Like, that's how you do it kind of thing. I don't want to come off like I have some kind of moral or ethical


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This totally stitches into Muay Thai in terms of like Muay Thai ethics or aesthetics completely the same as some Buddhist, uh, ethic or aesthetic. This is kind of bad.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In the, like, Buddhist concept, Thai concept, or Muay Thai concept, it's, it's a little bit about, uhm, the Jai Yen Yen, which is cool-hearted, or like, uh, Tam Jai, acceptance of


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I've been practicing Vipassana meditation for three years about.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You stay in, it's called a kuti, it's like basically a small hut.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, it's very simple. It's just a bed, a bathroom, a little porch. Uhm, they bring you two meals a day.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So there's a crazy like just do menial tasks kind of thing. And so on that first retreat I was like sweeping the porch that wraps around the circumference of the kuti and I had this like complete


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That just exploded in my head as like, this is a lesson I need to apply to my Muay Thai, which there are some leaves that kind of got stuck in the wood.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It was like, that's Muay Thai, is that there's nothing wrong with my ability to sweep. Like, I don't suck at sweeping because these leaves are harder to sweep than the others. And there's actually nothing wrong with the leaves, they're not resisting me, they're just stuck in the wood.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's a circumstance of cause and effect that made these leaves harder to sweep than the other leaves. And so you change angle, you sweep in different directions to try to dislodge it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Or it takes more passes with the broom than you thought it would. Or maybe you have to fuckin' reach down and pluck it out. Or, you might just have to accept that leaf is gonna stay.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Lodged in the wood. Like, that leaf is part of our lives now. It just stays in the poopy. So, this to me was like a really profound realization about my own strain in Muay Thai.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I very often think there's something wrong with me that I can't...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Sweet that leaf, which is like a technique that I just can't get. And so


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's nothing wrong with me. There's nothing wrong with the technique. I can change the angle at which I'm approaching it. Many things that we've worked on have been like this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then there are some things that are like, that's just not mine. Like, that's not for me. Which is that leaf that's just gonna stay fuckin' stuck in the cootie. And it's like, that's okay. I, I may not be a like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't know what example to think of, but like, I love how Karahat does this move. I'm not going to be doing that move.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But I can still love it. It's okay, it's just not mine. Kind of thing. And that's okay, like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There are fighters who are incredibly femur who suck at clinch.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's okay, they don't have to be good at clinch also. And there are clinch fighters who, you know, can't kick or whatever. That's okay, that's, people are different. And so I made this video that was me


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Sweeping, uhm, at our, at our house that we moved to out in the boonies and


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In this move, when Kevin and I moved, we were living in this one room apartment that was getting really loud and just like high level.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Stress. Stress and tension. It was like the water was just getting really high.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And in moving to this place out in the boonies that has


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Foliage and like garden life around it and stuff like this. Uhm, maintaining the grounds and maintaining


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The house keeping it clean, stuff like this, like menial tasks have really helped me mentally and emotionally in kind of calming down about my muay thai too.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, I think that there's a big...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We've been talking about trade-offs this entire time. There's a big trade-off to


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You can pay someone to come sweep your floor for you, you can...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, you know, do something in less time so you have more time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, you can, uh, get your kid to their soccer game ten minutes faster than before so that you have ten minutes to fill doing something else that's not really important to you. Uhm, these kind of menial task things, these are a Buddhist practice. This is what monks do.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All day. Monks maintain the grounds of the temple.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They, uhm, go collect alms. They have very simple.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, if you go take a shower, being mindful about that is, I am cleaning root to take care of root.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To not be dirty is, being dirty is suffering, it's uncomfortable, it's hot, you're sweating, so you wash root as like a way to end that suffering. Uhm, sweeping leaves, just maintaining the ground kind of thing, like.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The reason you do sit-ups, Yodkunpon is like, as a knee fighter, you have to be so strong.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If diesel noise taught me anything, it's that as a knee fighter, you have to have super strong legs, super strong core. It's like, you do that work.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it's just work. It doesn't have to be enjoyable. It doesn't have to be meaningful.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For me, mentally, there's all this like, I'm trying to improve, I'm trying to look better, I'm trying to have my technique be cleaner. Like all of this stuff that's like, if I'm sweeping the kuti in order to make the kuti beautiful, that's the wrong attention. That's the wrong purpose.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Won't go and there's something wrong with me that I can't beautify the thing and get rid of the leaf. Kinda thing. So calming down and being like, that's just gonna be there. These ones are harder than those ones. Sit ups may never be fun for me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Even the stuff that you don't like in your training, this kind of menial task, when you approach it with the kind of calm, this is part of the maintenance,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think it calms the mind, like if you're only ever concerned about like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] How do I make my kick faster? How do I turn my hip more?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It doesn't erase the stress, it doesn't, it doesn't make me all like calm, it'll come to me in time kind of thing, but it


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, the reason we're struggling is because I'm not past that. I've just found a-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, so when I was at Lana, which was the first two years, this was probably within the first six months.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I was, I asked Wung, who was a trainer, at Lana.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And even fast forward five years or something, Kara Haat shows me the golden kick.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I'm trying to do the golden kick and I can't do it and he keeps being like, your kick's really wide.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's alright, it'll come eventually kind of thing. That Woong had the like, it's fine for what it is now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's not that my kick isn't good, it's that my kick won't come out. Like, I do not think to kick or want to kick at times when that seems like the appropriate move.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Your kick is good for like two months and then...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Your punches start coming online and your kick changes again and it's like now it's not good anymore. Those leaves are sticking whereas they didn't stick a month ago.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You seem to want concrete examples. Well it helps because then there's people


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So I was talking about a leaf being stuck in the wood and how you might have to like come from a different angle to kind of dislodge it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Maybe, god, it was not long ago, maybe like two months ago, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Him being able to land open-side knees, he's southpaw.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Naturally, but he switches stance. He was landing his left knee on my right open side. At will. Just over and over and over and over again.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I was just kind of like, buckling, like I would


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] My roof would break and I would just kind of like get myself in a position where basically I had no way to stop him from doing this at all.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think the technique is blocking. I think that getting that fucking leaf out of the wood is blocking.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And so there's this other lease that also needs to be addressed.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That Yodkunpon is like, stand up, like just stand up, like stop, boom, stop hunching, stop putting your ass back.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So instead of like, why don't I block? I'm gonna work on my blocks, I'm gonna block everything. I'm like, just stand up. Like as much as I'm getting hit on that side, take getting hit, but just stand up.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When I stood up, all of a sudden he could not land that knee anymore.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You can change the angle of the broom, but maybe it's not gonna go. Like maybe it's just gonna take some other condition.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Robert Plant intonations or something and you're a rock star all of a sudden.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Watches Sanchai and is like, God, his turn on that kick is so nice.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There are very like funny examples of, uh, people speaking a second language and they forget what something is and so they just describe it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Some guy was speaking Chinese and he forgot the word for eggs, so he-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Or no, he forgot the word for chicken, so he pointed at an egg and said, where's the mother?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, and I think it's, it's kind of like that, it's uhm, instead of like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The like, sweeping of the leaf is not about actually like, perfectly cleaning the floor, it's about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] A couple weeks ago, which is that Westerners talk about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is so valuable, rather than that you get 10 years by the time you're 18, so you're like, you started ahead of the pack kind of thing. It's that you start pre-judgment.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you're five, everyone's like, they're just learning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Watching Pnue train the kids, the J-Dragon set, he says it's like, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But they also all talk about how your style determines how long you can fight. Every single...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Fighter who has made some comments about this has been like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you're femur, like if you understand technique and defense, they're like you can fight for a long time. You can have a very long career.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They're like, if you're gonna like, charge in and basically be like Samson or Longsuwan, you can't fight for very long. They're like, it just wears you up. Like, you basically have a short lifespan.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay. Well, here's a thing that to me is interesting about this and this change, is that very recently, like in the past couple of weeks,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And the comments in Thai from, uh, like the


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] News sources that were sharing these kept being like, now women are like men.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Damaging each other and hard and blah blah blah. And the thing is that it's not like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Female Muay Thai wasn't hard, I've received so many fucking cuts in my time, like people fight hard, people throw elbows, but we've seen female fighters, Thai female fighters who go on these shows, and they cannot


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Real examples of this, where there was an incredible, in the golden age, body throws and body locks in the clinch, was a whole fucking style, very technical, very like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There were people who were incredible at it, people who were okay at it, but it was like a whole thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They don't score body locks anymore, and you can maybe be, uhm, reprimanded for it a little bit.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's like a little bit, like Sekson in round four will start body locking, but it's not to the like degree that Namkabun was doing it or that you can see, uhm, like, who was that? Trimopet against Sanctianoi or something? But like, it was this whole thing and now it's gone.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So to be like, oh, people will just be more aggressive is like, no, this entire side will


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, especially if, uh, you know, in the West, defense is never taught and you have, like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like the fair tech girls learning a 1-2 is like killing their competition.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, Yodlick Pet is unusual. Sexanne is unusual in that most Thai fighters are not like that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You can transplant it onto the international stage and it fits and people know how to look at it and so they become famous on this bigger stage too. But if you then have the next generation coming up like that,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it kinda like floods the, it like dilutes the concentrated group or something?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So we cover a broad range of subjects, but they all are the fabric of Muay Thai.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Slightly experimental. This one, if you guys followed the first podcast, uhm, we have photos of how we jerry-rigged that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, Goggins is a very intense dude, he does extraordinary things, and I guess the way to sum him up is using his own quote, which is, to be extraordinary among the extraordinary.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Strumming along, doing good in your training, working on things and seeing, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Everything you're doing in training rather than the meaning that was in all of your training. That's like, oh, I'm getting better. I'm doing this thing. I'm kind of like maintaining, grooving, advancing. Now it's like, is this relative to what you're going to be facing?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then it's like, no, you're fighting John Kwan and it's like, is what I've been doing correct for beating John Kwan? Like, am I?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I haven't been working on the teep because I'm working on these other things. She teeps a lot. Now I'm all anxious about this thing. And it literally is any opponent. I like fighting people I don't know because it's a cheat to not have to like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So this goes with what I was saying, which is that if you don't know your opponent, and they don't know you, you don't have very many expectations, cause there's nothing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So instead of pulling your previous experience with that fighter into your mental preparation for the fight, square one-ism is no expectations. Like, I fought her three and a half years ago, why would I?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Right, but the, the square one aspect of him staring down in his shoes like that is mental. Because, because if he's running 5k and he runs 5k every morning physically, it's not the same experience as literally your first day when it, the struggle of running 5k because you've never done it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, get, get to the point of shame and how- You take me there. Shame and square one kind of-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Last night, we were watching SouthSingh fight. SouthSingh is...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] One of the best female fighters in the world. She's a superstar in Thailand. Tons of experience. She's like 24 years old, 23 years old, has been fighting for like 13, 15 years, something like this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, very experienced and before her fight, uh, she posted on, uh, her Facebook page that she was nervous. And in Thai, the word for excited and nervous is the same, but it is not


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, it's not positive. Like, when I'm like, I'm excited for that to happen, it has a positive connotation. When you're like, I'm nervous for that to happen, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Negative connotation. So we have two words in English that describe a very similar experience that either has a positive or negative feeling to it. In Thai, it's the same word, and it tends to, uh, aim towards the negative. You don't want to be, then, then you want to be calm. Like, Thai, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Tai values calm and unaffected. So she's writing that she's nervous.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And, uh, a reporter of Muay Thai, who's known her for a very long time, teased her in the comments and was like, uh, what are you, a beginner? Like, why would you be nervous?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Your focus is not where it needs to be.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If Goggins is not struggling to get himself out the door...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm not gonna be fighting to try to get what I need out of that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Which is why there's something very unsatisfying about, uhm, the lack of risk in Sanchez fight.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And this is the connection back to Sao Sing with all of her experience and why she's nervous, is that the...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Shame of losing when you have all this experience, like you should win or you should perform well because of all this experience, the risk of shame of failing, you're on like


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well this is, this is again something that Goggins covers, talks about.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, in a way, although I don't think he would connect it to exactly what I'm saying here, but in the same way that he ran that hundred


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Miles and his feet were completely fucked.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like, if you're a victim, if someone does that to you, it's a very different feeling than like, I did this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I think that the mental side of that, of like, I chose nervous. I chose the thing that is scary to me. Is I did this. I'm afraid because I chose it. I chose the thing that's scary.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you don't want to be afraid, you, uh, escape the things that make you scared. When you're like, I put myself here.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It'd be like if you didn't remember learning how to walk, so you just assumed that you didn't actually know how to do it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it just was. So you can never change the way you walk, because that's how you walk.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You can change how you think, you can change what you think, all of these different things.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you picture, like, an Iron Maiden box...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, it's, it's natural, so I'm just gonna shit myself on the floor and like let it all go out. You can still be contained in a like, I'm nervous but I'm gonna keep this, uhm, so that people don't see it. But you're not judging yourself for it. The energy goes out when you're like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Sometimes when I fight in like a festival situation, drunk gamblers come up and it's really hard to deal with when you're nervous.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] How do you do that with square oneism? Like, how does that, uhm... HELL.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, I just, I wanna hear what your, you picked this phrase as a like, uhm, signal of it being alive, that it's still-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, I think that that's an important point, though, is that


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Scared, don't wanna do it, like whatever these things are, are a tool that you can build different things with. Don't build the same fucking, uh, cutting board from shop class.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The habits that you have around it, like, you are, I've said this in training, in mental training videos, you are practicing something.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Giving them a lecture the other day, Fanny was there at the gym and she sat down outside of the ring to just listen to him. Uhm, and he was talking about how you should never, ever


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Acknowledge your fatigue or train fatigue when you're training because you will be training that fatigue. You'll be training the performance of, I'm tired. So don't, don't run like this when you're tired, like, oh, I just have to. You're like, every fucking step I take is making me stronger.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Every time I hit the bag, every single strike, not, oh I hit it exactly, perfectly, technically. Every time you hit it, you're making yourself stronger, even if it's wrong.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Which is cool, he's caught like every single time that he makes that decision.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's better. He's making himself stronger. He's callusing himself. He's like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This goes with Goggin's belief system, which is he never wants the, like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, now you have the metal and you don't have to do the thing anymore, you just get the credit.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When people are like, when are you gonna retire and do this thing? They're asking me...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He says he was not very liked because he let people know how he felt about it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, I do not make eye contact when I'm training.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, and it's something that some of the people who have taught me have demanded of me. And it's one thing to be like, oh, that's not where I look, but he told me to look there, so now I do. And it's another to be like, I cannot do that. Like, I can't do it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] acknowledge that he makes when I asked him where he


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is where they see what they're looking for. Right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Which is what I was saying, is that- I'm giving- I'm building out the picture. Yeah, if they had been like, look here.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I was like, great, look there. Never would have gone into this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I've written about, uh, on 8limbs, and you can go, look, fear of escalation, which, uh, came from growing up with my brothers. Uhm, if I got mad and tried to, like, get even, it actually escalated, and I was smaller, so I lose. Yea, your brothers were all.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So I discovered this, well, I developed this fear of escalation, which is, be small, make it go away, quiet, avert, like basically make it stop, because escalation, I never win, ever.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It goes with the same thing of fear of escalation is if you're making eye contact and it's an invitation,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Take the power out of, like, defuse a situation, like, just don't. Don't.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, I have learned to take more dominant space. So as a woman in the world, I'm taught to be small and not take up space and I had to really force myself to stand in men's space because that's who I train with. Uhm, so even just being in penis space to me is like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And my teacher, so it's, I'm like in his space and I'm being, uh, what's the word?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's like aggressive, transgressive. By being in that space, in a man's space, he's bigger than me. And so there are moments when simply being in that space and imposing myself, I'm dominating that moment.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And as a woman, you're supposed to, okay, and then that's done. Like, I had this moment, I did it because it's Muay Thai, and then you kind of like go to the side, and to like stand over and maintain the eye contact and be like, yeah, I'm fucking standing here, instead of like, oh, maybe she accidentally got in my way. Like, if, if Karo,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Mentioning is that last night we watched this all-female fight card and they had ring card boys as a, like, novelty.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it's funny, people laugh, some people cheer, they're like, yay, uhm, this reversal is good, all of these different things.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Was that the ring card boys got in the way of the female fighters in their corners? That would never ever happen with a female ring card girl and even a female fighter.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, so when I'm sealing the ring, and I'm going around-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, if I'm stealing the ring and I'm going around the ropes, if someone goes in the opposite direction, there's a part where you, someone has to give way.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's a video of Bokow dancing with a ring card girl in Japan or something, like he got up off his stool and like danced with her. There is no way she would ever be anywhere in the way of a fighter or in the path of a fighter or like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But so indicative of conditioning. Gender conditioning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The thing about eye contact and why I am mentioning that it has gender influence for me as a being


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Conditioned as a woman in the world, identifying as a woman in the world, uhm, is that this eye contact thing, the reason I'm training it is that it has way more influence on everything else that I experience and do than look in the eyes or don't.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To have to force looking in the eyes is so hard that it has great meaning and impact on everything else that I do. And it's actually just that fact of it, it's been this little hack


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That, uh, going back to The Inner Game of Tennis, which we've talked about many times, uhm, it's a brilliant book. Absolutely read it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He divides basically the, the mind and muscle memory as self one, self two. So self two is when you have your muscle memory, you've done all your training, your body knows what to do. But self one, your mind always wants to take credit for and control of self two and be like, no, I made that happen. You need to be doing this. It's the inner, it's the inner voice and I have


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The reason I'm explaining what that is is simply to say that the discomfort of making eye contact shuts self-wanna so hard. There is no inner critique of like, did my kick come out correctly when I'm so uncomfortable trying to make eye contact.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You actually can't see the battery while it's going, unfortunately.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm literally looking in the eyes of my padholder sparring partners, clinching partners, and where eyes would be on a bag and in space where they would be when I'm shadow boxing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The reason I do it on the bag and in shadow boxing is that I realized while I was hitting the bag that my face literally felt different because I was not looking there. So...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I have other problems where the way my body map feels shadow boxing or on a bag does not feel the same as in sparring. I'm literally in like different positions. And so how can you expect things that come out really smoothly on the bag or in shadow or pad work


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To be the same under that pressure if you literally feel different.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, so I was realizing that my face felt really different because I'm not trying to look at eyes, whereas if I'm looking up like this, this feels different. The tucked chin and the eyes up feels different. So I made a point to still look at where eyes would be to train my body to muscle memory, my facial expression, uh, when making eye contact. And it, I gave myself waiting in time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I knew there was no way to be like, I'm gonna make eye contact and because it's hard for me, there's no way I was gonna be making consistent, constant eye contact for...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Four rounds on the pads and twelve rounds of sparring. Like it's not gonna happen.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, and then remembering to do it because the pressures that come in that make you not remember what you're working on are many. Uhm, and then


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As I got more, I didn't get more comfortable with it, but as I got more consistent, like I was able to hold it for longer, like being able to hold your breath.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, can I do a whole round? Okay, can I do two rounds? Okay, can I bring just being aware of it into a fight? Can I like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, there's an interesting experience in just starting to do it, which was I suddenly became aware of whether people were looking at me or not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like I had no idea whether someone was looking at me or not because I'm not looking at their eyes. Totally. So I discovered by, I'm going to look at the eyes, I discovered that the champ does not look at me. He's not looking at me when I'm not looking at him. Okay. And that Pinu is often looking at some part of me and then occasionally comes to the eyes, like where we would meet eyes. Okay.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I was not, I was in my head, I was really struggling and I was, I didn't even think to start looking in his eyes, like I hadn't done it at all in our first round. And starting our second round, he actually went Sylvie.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Since, since we're talking about gender and my experience of eye contact being difficult, it is interesting to note that Pranu's son, Bank, who's very masculine,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] been raised in a very like, masculine way, that family, the petr- the rung rung family is very fucking masculine, the men in it. He does not make eye contact.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, backing up a little bit, uh, for what might have been... No, I don't...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, just the part about, you were talking about Krongsock was so intent on the eye contact thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I had already started doing my, like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it was maybe like my third one in that I was like doing this eye contact thing. Uhm, the thing about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When I was first experimenting with it, uh, was that I totally had a much better


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, learn to feel and like, do it without vision. Just close your eyes and do it Spider-Man style. Is, I feel like I can see suddenly.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Some of the people at the gym make eye contact. Like Alex looks in the eyes, YodPT looks in the eyes really hardcore, and Crenu actually looks in the eyes a lot, but not when people are looking at him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Canoe was like, quit looking at my leg before you wanna kick it. I know you wanna kick it. He's like, he's like, look up when you're gonna kick down.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If I'm gonna stop targeting and I have to like pick a place to look, generally I look at people's hips because I come from soccer.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, but when I do pad work, I look like this, like looking at the target. Uhm, and so I think it came from an influence of Namsak Noi being like look up then kick down or look down and then kick up.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I was like, I'll try the eye contact thing again.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, but it was not only, this is hard so I'm gonna do it Goggin style, it was also in the glimpses, the moments that I would look up, I was like, my fucking block is coming out. Like, I'm not telling it to do that, it just like, happened.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't know, but it's the same thing of like, my friend Robin, uhm, who used to


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When she would see me getting really tense when we were sparring, she'd ask me weird questions. She'd be like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, when is Zoe's birthday? Or like, what's 9 plus 7? You know, just like, get your mind off of, what is my leg doing, why can't I get in, blah blah blah, all these things. Which, in the inner game of tennis, he's explaining that learning is not actually a thinking process.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Thinking is like an analysis after like whatever the thing is, but if you're like...