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[Assistant] They had, they had problems protecting, and the, the bills don't give you the easy bullshit over the middle, which is where Adam Gase and Sam Donovan thrive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they got talent on their team right now. That's what's scary about the Patriots. We always know the scheme is good, but now they have talent along with their scheme, and that's when they go to Super Bowls four to five years in a row and all that kind of crap.


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[Assistant] So, we're not screwed if they do throw that slam. I think that's a check on the fly once they see the formation.


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[Assistant] It's, it's the beauty in New England. And dad, you make a good point. Well, they're so good in the secondary right now, Paul, that


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[Assistant] He can go, I trust my secondary so we can call anything on that end.


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[Assistant] Oh, we want to play man. Oh, I can have these two guys drop out and stop crossers and then I can run stunts with the other guys as they pass rush or, or we send all of them because I can just trust my guys in coverage. I mean, it gives them great flexibility to be versatile upfront because the secondary is so awesome in the back end. I think that's one of the special things about them.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll say this, I don't blame Miles Jack as much as I blame the Jacksonville defensive coaches.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's too much on a player, you know, like even with the oh shit play to Sammy Watkins where he came across the line of scrimmage, you know, he came down, they do the run fake, and then he wheeled out the backside, right? Do you remember the second Sammy Watkins touchdown?


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[Assistant] Well, so here we go. So this is, this is where I'll say, now they play a match zone, right? So I think even on this play, Miles Jack, he takes Travis Kelsey underneath, but I think he's doing what he's coach is supposed to do. The first, the first touchdown to Sammy Watkins, like you're talking about.


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[Assistant] And I talked about this the other day. It just, they ask some of their players unrealistic things to do at times. Schematically? It's just not even fair. Which side? Defensively. Yea, on defense. Like just like that with Miles Jack or, you know, oh hey stop the run, you need to be responsible for the B gap.


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[Assistant] And you also need to be responsible for the deep crosser at the same time. Well, if they fake a run in the b-gat, kinda hard for me to...


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[Assistant] And the problem is is those guys are so freaky gifted athletically that they can pull it off a lot of games. But not when it's Sammy Watkins and Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey. That becomes a game changer.


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[Assistant] Yep, I do. There's a few things I'd like to bring up in that matchup that I know we just didn't get to that I think are worth, uh, at least talking about. I know dad kind of hit them for the most part.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, you look at the final score of, you know, Brown's Titans, and it's 43-13. And I would sit there and go, it's misleading. Right. Patriot Steelers was not misleading. Not misleading. It might have been the opposite. It should have been 53-3 if they really wanted to keep the pedal to the metal.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, there's some concerning things altogether, I think, in the matchup. You know, first off,


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[Assistant] Dad said it, I mean, Pittsburgh, everybody on earth knows, my little boy at nine years old knows, that if you go up to New England and you're one dimensional, you're gonna lose the football game. So, we're gonna go play the New England Patriots.


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[Assistant] Without Antonio around and Le'Veon Bell, and we're just gonna get in the shotgun every play, and throw the ball, we're just gonna throw it every play. Never get under center.


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[Assistant] Oh, this is their shotgun attack, which they probably know as good as anybody in football other than the Steelers coaches. Yeaah. And yeaah, they were all over everything on their field, let alone the same personnels out there. There's nothing to scare you with the Steelers offense right now. That's my big concern going forward. Juju's a really good player.


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[Assistant] Every number one receiver needs a good number two. Yeaah. And they don't have a good number two. You know, he's a borderline really good number one. I would just say he's a one. I'm not gonna say he's like a superstar one. Not at this point. He's a superstar number two.


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[Assistant] But who's the number two on their team? They're none. They don't have one. They have a bunch of number threes.


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[Assistant] And you know, the Patriots, when you play that kind of style of football, I mean, they played 2-4 personnel, almost the majority of the game. Two down linemen, four linebackers. And that meant it was four down front, because they would put guys like Simon, who's a linebacker, and Shalee Calhoun, who's a linebacker, and they made them a D.N. when they went nickel defense.


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[Assistant] That gives them the versatility again to, ooh, this guy can drop out, this guy can blitz, this guy can cover the tight end, this guy will go the running back. It was just, it was just really disappointing overall, uh, with the Steelers.


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[Assistant] Game plan in general. That they did that and I don't understand it. I mean, first snap of the game under the center.


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[Assistant] Under the center, and that was it. And again, I mean, what, what happened? The Steelers old line's a good run blocking team. Right, yeaah. They used to, I mean, two years ago with Le'Veon Bell, it was like, ground and pound. Like, we might give him the ball 32 times in a game and pull guards and do all that. And for as terrific as he was, it wasn't.


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[Assistant] You're, one, just letting the defense be in their comfort zone. The defensive coordinator and the coach. I mean, first of all, we talked about it a lot. College football shotgun every play. These kids are coming into football now and going, oh, the spread, this is what I'm used to. No problem. It's not catching anybody by surprise. Two, you're just taking a whole inventory of plays away from the offense that


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[Assistant] Plays that stress the defense out more than anything. And the big thing is play action pass. I mean, more than anything, I do look at that. Plus just the effects.


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[Assistant] The New Orleans Saints, he gets underneath center a lot. Backing up to the first team. Same thing.


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[Assistant] Under center a ton. One game was really, really good. It adds a physicality to your football team. And it makes the defense start to think, ooh.


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[Assistant] Linebackers start going, ooh, I gotta get downhill. And the linemen start thinking about run game. If you're just sitting there in the shotgun, they're almost never thinking about, ooh, I gotta worry about this block in the run game. I just, hey, I gotta beat my guy and get to the quarterback. I gotta beat my guy and get to the quarterback. The corner's going, wait, it's covered three? It's covered four? Oh, okay, that's all I can do. Ooh, when they're in this formation in shotgun, coach told me to be ready for this and this.


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[Assistant] You know, so if you never change the rules for what a defense has to think they're kind of in a power position all the time.


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[Assistant] And that's, that to me is, uh, is a major issue. You know, when you're in the shotgun and you're running the football a lot, hey, I mean, it can work, obviously. I'm not saying it can't work.


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[Assistant] You know, the running back is not going to get the head of steam that he's going to get coming downhill out of the eye formation. And I think you're seeing the good offenses are getting the eye formation and running downhill.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, okay, so first thing is, John McDonald here is a big giant, so don't cry, okay? It's everything's okay. There's a lot of tears in this building. Okay, come on, hold him in. Alright, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Giant secondary, which we questioned through the preseason, has, they're not talented. That's, that's the number one thing.


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[Assistant] The only guy that's a proven commodity there is Janoris Jenkins. Hey, Antoine Bethea is as well, but he's old. Like, he's very old. Yea. I don't know what year this is. 13 for him? 12? Well past 30. Right. Yea. I mean, Jabril Peppers didn't play on passing situations in Cleveland last year. They took him off the field.


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[Assistant] DeAndre Baker, I think you heard some of my concerns about him coming out of the trap. I think he's a good football player. I think he's a nickel or a safety. I don't think he can run to be at outside shut down corner. Oh, and what did I see? Michael Gallup and Amari Cooper running by DeAndre Baker in some one on one situations. That was a little scary to me.


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[Assistant] Really the credit goes to Kellen Moore and what they did. They changed their offense. They did. And it was from the get-go. And I wrote, first play of the game, Cowboys offense has a different look.


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[Assistant] You know, you think we're gonna come out and run the ball, we're gonna come out and we're gonna back you off and get you off the line of scrimmage a little bit, and then we'll start to hit Zeke and Pollard and do that. That was nice. Uhm, that's one thing I-


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[Assistant] Play, action, pass. And when I say play, action, pass too,


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[Assistant] You know, this is another thing. This is why New England's amazing in play action pass. They marry their play action passes with their runs.


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[Assistant] Dallas for years was, we're going to run the play action pass, but the offensive line is really doing a slide protection, or making it look like inside-outside zone, right? So they're all kind of just going one way. And then Dak Prescott's behind the line of scrimmage, acting like he's going to give the Zeke and drops back.


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[Assistant] A lot of times, like, linebackers, they take a step, but it doesn't fool them. They go, well,


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[Assistant] Nobody run blocks like that all day long. That's not a run blocking offensive line kind of move there. So they might be fooled for a step because of the flow, but then they get back and then the play action pass is screwed. What I saw in this game was


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[Assistant] Play action pass, guard's pulling, and now it's like, oh the second level's like, oh shit, here comes Zeke Downhill and Zack Martin's pulling, oh gosh, oh no, somebody's wide open behind me.


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[Assistant] That was a different aspect. And you know why most teams don't do that kind of stuff? Because it's really hard to coach. When a defense lines up in a different front or they bring a blitz or something like that, and now you have a guard that's pulling, the offensive line has to sort all that stuff out. Defenses are taught to read the guard. Exactly. A guard is a huge thing. Right. Guards are usually the key to the play. Right. So that was really refreshing on that side of the ball, let alone Randall Cobb.


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[Assistant] Gallup being in his second year, and Omari Cooper being there. They have three tough matchups, one on one in the past game.


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[Assistant] And Blake Jarwin and Witten at tight end that are gonna give linebackers and safeties an issue in the past game as well. So not only is the personnel good, but for the first time in a while, they're actually giving their personnel a schematical advantage to go along with it. And that's when you go, whoa, they scored on five straight touchdown drives. You know what I mean? Because that's what can happen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well Andy's the master at it. He's the man. He's the man at it. Coming up with a new play altogether or just coming up with a new look for a play that he runs a lot. Right. But he gives you a lot of window dressing beforehand.


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[Assistant] Yes they are. They are. And they ran some contests that they've been running for years and years. But they did it some different ways to where you didn't see it coming. And I went, oh.


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[Assistant] There's their, what I would call, F angle play. Cause they love to have like three receivers to the right. The first guy runs a shallow cross.


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[Assistant] The second guy kinda goes up field and kinda follows a shallow cross on like a tight slant. Yeah. And then the guy on the outside runs a comeback or maybe a post over the top, whatever it may be. They loved that. It was such a go-to for Tony Romo. They did it in this game. They didn't forget about it because they're good at it. Right. But they dressed it up.


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[Assistant] Yep. And you know what? John, I'm gonna stand up for a second. You ready for this? Here we go. Just from ones I haven't stood up with you in a while. This is exciting stuff. Uhm, Dak has always been a real, like,


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[Assistant] Like that kind of thrower, you know. And you've heard me say that. That's hard. He can get away with it. You know, even Cam Newton gets away with that a little bit. Why? Because they're just big, strong individuals.


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[Assistant] A little too much over the top. It's just not flowing. It's herky-jerky. It's just like, it's not like we see Brady and Rogers who just looks like, oh man, that was effortless. And the, whoa, that was 40 yards? He threw that? It looked like he was throwing at 5 yards. You know, when Dak Prescott does it at times, you were like,


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[Assistant] Damn, he threw that ball like he was gonna throw it 50 yards, but it was really 10 yards he threw it because it was such a high effort throw. It was so, huh, and his front leg was locked out. I don't know who got in his ear.


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[Assistant] But his throwing motion on Sunday 99% or 90% of the time was a cross. I mean it really was. And where it really helped him was like


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[Assistant] He ran the zone read or an RPO, and then when the slant was coming, he told the ball, and it was just, it was like, and it was like, whoa, the ball flew out of his hand.


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[Assistant] Where I give the defense also an extra read because my motion was so long and like herky jerky and like, uh, what do I want to say? Obvious. Yeaah. That now the safety saw it all the way.


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[Assistant] Yep, good job, John. I'm going back. You know, I just wanted you to stand up. Yeah, well, no, because just think about it this when you're going like this, okay, first off, if you want to throw the ball hard that way.


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[Assistant] Your arm needs to go that way. Your force has to go that way. You know, so yeah, by doing this, you're applying all the force to the way you want the ball to go. If you're coming from here, okay?


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[Assistant] From here, your arm is gonna go down this way. If you were gonna punch somebody as hard as you could, you wouldn't go.


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[Assistant] Huah! Like that, you would go, let me wind up and I'm gonna punch him and go right through his head, right? This is the best way to apply power.


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[Assistant] You know, and that's the same thing when throwing the football. If you want to throw the ball 40 yards down the field on the line, well, your arm better kind of go on that line as well. If you think it's going to go from


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[Assistant] A really high point and then down to a really low point and you're still going to apply the same power. There's just no way. You might spin it really hard, right? And you might throw a real pretty spiral. But this is what happened to Peyton Manning at the end of his career. It got so like this and he couldn't figure it out and he started wearing a glove and all those things.


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[Assistant] But it was just from here to here. And yeah, you could throw a split pretty spiral, but the ball's not traveling anywhere. It's not going anywhere with any, yeah, velocity to drive it into, like you're saying, a tight window or down the field or whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] Oh, I got a Peter King promo. I forgot. Damn. My bad. My bad, Peter King. You are the man. Okay. New podcast dropped today, Wednesday. All right. Uh, Peter's podcast always got great. Oh, guest man.


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[Assistant] He got Mike Lombardi on, okay? That's a great get. I can't believe he stole Mike Lombardi. I want to have Mike Lombardi on the podcast here with us at one point. Can he do both? He can. Mike's my buddy. I used to work with him for years. He's a great guy. He's got great insight. He's awesome. He's got so many, yeaah, witty ways to say things. He's been around.


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[Assistant] I don't know what the hell that is. I don't know if they're playing together or what.


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[Assistant] Either way, you know I'm all in on A-Rod and Bakatiari, who just absolutely smashed A-Rod in the beer chugging contest, a big fan of him as well, and his fast protection. But check that out. Peter King Podcast drops on Wednesdays. It's out there, available right now on any place that you get your podcast.


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[Assistant] It forces your hand. And I say this to Mike a lot. The really good offenses do one thing really good.


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[Assistant] Then it makes the defense go, whoa, we have to stop that. And then you can do things off of that, right? Exactly. You build off of that. You build off of that, right? Oh, they're trying to take away.


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[Assistant] Oh, we're New England and we throw to Gronk on third down. Oh, you want to double Gronk? Well, we have 90 million ways now to screw you with Julian Edelman, right? Right. Or, oh, you want to take away Michael Thomas in the middle of Sean Payton? Oh, that's fine. You're one on one with Alvin Kamara? Oh, that's fine. I got a million plays for Alvin Kamara. Go ahead, take away Michael Thomas, my bread and butter. That's what a good offensive coordinator does. And the Ravens, one thing is their power run game.


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[Assistant] And it scared the crap out of the Dolphins. Now one, the Dolphins team's not good. Let's just, let's just put it right there. They're in a rebuild mode. They're trying to win these games. It's gonna be hard for them to win these games. They're not good. Their best player is Xavier Howard. Their second best player was Laramie Tunzel and he's not there anymore. So it's not gonna look good always.


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[Assistant] It's a fake RPO, and now I thought there was no free safety. When I watched on TV, I was like, are they playing in this defense with no free safeties? Like, are they kidding me?


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[Assistant] Right? That was what I, and I even, I even said it on the Monday show, I was like, I don't think there was a free safety in some of these plays we saw. Well, I was wrong, and this is why the film's awesome. There was free safeties, but the free safety, and this is not on him,


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[Assistant] Was told to be extra aggressive. So the first touchdown pass you saw to Hollywood Brown, which was the slam on the left side. It was an RPO. And he...


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[Assistant] Lamar Jackson got the ball. He read the defense. He saw the linebackers flying with the run fake. He probably saw the safety flying downhill to stop it as well, because I'm sure Blind Forest said all week, we're outmatched there. Hey, free safety, I need you down there as an extra body to help the run.


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[Assistant] Well, bam, okay, Hollywood Brown, slam, touchdown, boom. Okay, you'd think, okay, they might have to rethink this game plan here, let's rethink this. Uhm, no. Third drive, third drive, it's...


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[Assistant] It's a quarter, quarter, half element here now. It's a passing situation. They're playing three receivers to the right, one receiver to the left. Okay, they double the receiver to the left to stop any single cut out route or comeback or anything like that. But they leave Minka Fitzpatrick all by himself.


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[Assistant] At the 25 yard line and, oh yeaah, just, we just want you to cover one of the fastest guys in college football last year. It's only 53 yards and 75 yards behind you. No problem, no issue.


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[Assistant] Hollywood Brown gets free access, nobody touches him coming off the line of scrimmage. By the time Minka Fitzpatrick starts backpedaling, looks at the quarterback, looks back, Hollywood Brown's on him, he's gone, it's over, the play's already over, touchdown. You know, and it was just a lot of that. But the big thing was they never adjusted the free safety play to say,


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[Assistant] Slow down and just play free safety the way you're supposed to play free safety. Now, I mean, Lamar's hot, the passing game's hot, he's an NFL quarterback, and we need to readjust. I'm all four at first, if you want to start a game and go, I want to see Lamar Jackson beat me with the pass, that's cool.


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[Assistant] And that's what you have to do at times. You gotta force it and say, let me see you beat us another way. But once they do it,


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[Assistant] Once or twice, you have to go, okay, they got us today. They know what they're doing. Let me go to plan B and readjust how we're going to organize this on the defense. And that never happens.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, this is a good question. Now Baltimore, I mean, we know they're all lines, hulking, huge, overpowering unit. Hey,


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[Assistant] If Hollywood Brown can look like that, that's going to stress some defenses out. I mean, defensive coordinator is going to be, they're going to go sleepless when they play Baltimore now, when they see that, because they're going to go, damn, not only do I have to worry about this run game, but leaving my corner one on one with that damn Hollywood Brown is scary.


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[Assistant] They're not gonna like that. They have a nice little formula. It doesn't need to be complicated. I mean, Miles Boykin, a receiver, will just need the other one, and then they have three good tight ends, so really they can play Smash Mouth or Spread It Out. But this is what I would do.


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[Assistant] First off, when you play man to man like that, and I said this a little with Mitchell Trubisky and the Green Bay Packers because it happened a few times. When you play man to man,


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[Assistant] It's a get out of jail free card for the quarterback at times. You know, people think, oh, we're going to make it tough on them to get completions. No, you're really making it easy on them. There's nothing to read.


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[Assistant] Right? Oh, I'm blitzed. Oh, okay. Well, there's a guy one on one. Let me throw a back shoulder or a 50-50 ball and maybe my guy comes up with it. Maybe get it. It's a get out of jail free card. You're no longer making the quarterback


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[Assistant] Decipher coverage and then having to make pinpoint throws into tight zone coverages, right? It's, oh, there's no safety in the middle of the field and I get to throw a post. We just talked about, let me just throw it high and throw it out there and my great athlete will get it.


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[Assistant] Oh, you know, it's man-to-man coverage and I'm getting pressure. Oh, there's Miles Boykin on the outside. The D.B.'s covering him man-to-man. His back's turned. Let me just throw a ball over there and see if my guy can adjust to me. You're really making it easier. So, that was, I think, what we're gonna see more and more.


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[Assistant] If I'm playing Baltimore, I'm not letting them get the get out of jail free card. I'm playing some more creative zones. I'm keeping my back guy's eyes at the line of scrimmage too, to where they can rally and make a tackle.


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[Assistant] You know, that's the greatness of like the Seattle scheme a little bit is because it was eight guys at the Atlanta scrimmage, but they were playing zone. So their eyes were kind of always on the quarterback. So, oh, you want to run it? We're going to all converge on the run. Oh, you want to throw a short pass? Oh, we're all, you can throw the short pass. You might get four yards, but we are going to tackle you as soon as you catch it at four yards.


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[Assistant] That's why I wanted to say like with Sam Darnold and Dad when we went back there because Dad's like Sam Darnold's feet are all over the place. Well yea, because he's, he's having a little pressure and the Bills are playing these, what I, we never got to really talk about. What was the damn phrase I used? The uh, the simplicity. Game plan specific simplicity. Game plan specific, because...


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[Assistant] We all know what cover four is, right? Corner, corner, two safeties all have a quarters, they have a quarter of the field, from where they are and back. But what they do is,


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[Assistant] They game plan their quarters. So in training camp, hey, this is quarters coverage, this is quarters coverage, this is quarters coverage. Okay, now we're playing the Jets and this week we got quarters coverage down. I still want to run quarters, but we're going to run this week's version of quarters. There's going to be a rule tweaked here or there by a guy just according to what a team does on the game, game plan wise on the other side of the ball.


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[Assistant] That's what I meant by my game plan's simplifics, uh, simplicity that I can't say. You know what I'm saying, whatever.


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[Assistant] It's more, I'm going to say more because of the Miami defense. I am, I am. As much as I really liked that damn, but yes, they are, we're completely outmanned.


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[Assistant] And they had issues, because they know they're not that good up front on the defensive side of the ball, to where they had to do things they didn't want to do with the rest of their defense, because there was an area where they knew they were way outmatched, so they had to put more eggs into that one basket to stop it. Okay. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Really well. There's no question about that. Made a number of big throws, I mean, in a really tough environment.


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[Assistant] Now, now, if I want to go negative a little bit, I'll go, damn, we threw for 418 yards and we only scored 20 points.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I just, if Patrick Mahomes threw for 418 yards, they would, they would have scored 38 points or 40 points because a few of those throws would have been howitzers for touchdowns. And that's where a great quarterback comes into play sometimes.


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[Assistant] Andy Dalton's the man between the 20s, but it's the special guys who can make a special throw or a special play in the red zone to capitalize on that.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's the red zone and everything has to happen a little quicker. The zone coverages and the holes are a little tighter. You gotta be able to throw the 100 mile per hour fastball and he only got 94. You know what I mean? It's good. And again, you can win with Andy Dalton, but he just might not overcome everything on a weekly basis. There was a play, you know, in this game where they're down there driving.


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[Assistant] And they get down there and they're gonna throw a screen pass and he whiffs. And the ball fell out of his hand. They intercepted it. So there was that. There was a miss field goal would hurt them.


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[Assistant] They had a first and goal at the four where they ended up having to kick a field goal.


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[Assistant] You know, again, not to bag on Andy Dalton, but that doesn't happen to Russell Wilson. You know what I mean? When he gets in those little opportunities, they score.


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[Assistant] And then when Russell, you know, when Aaron Rodgers gets to the four, they're gonna score. And same with Tom Brady. And so again, I know not everybody's them, but I'm just trying to give some context. And either way, he played really well. How did Zach Taylor make him look better? Every Seattle beater in the history of mankind came out in this game.


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[Assistant] And, you know, maybe one day we'll get up here on the whiteboard or something like that and I'll draw some of these plays up.


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[Assistant] This is one of the things I brought up to Mike last week on, on PFT. I said, you know, I, I totally thought the Seahawks would win. I thought they would win by more than 21-20, definitely. But I did tell him, I go, I'm a little scared for this aspect. Cincinnati's a little more talented than we're giving them credit for.


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[Assistant] And Zach Taylor has great familiarity with the Seattle Seahawks. He got to play them twice a year the last two years with the Rams. So he knows


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[Assistant] The kind of plays that stress their rules out on their defense. What's a Seattle beater? Well, a Seattle beater, a lot of the times for a lack of a better phrase, the second man through in the middle of the defense, right? So let's just say for all those out there, we're in a three by one formation. You got three receivers to the right and you have one receiver to the left.


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[Assistant] Let's say out of those three receivers to the right, the first run runs a deep cross right down the middle of the field.


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[Assistant] Well, they play that 3D match zone. What happens is when the guys come into their area, they have to match them man to man until they get in a certain part of the area and then they pass them off to the next guy, right? So here's Bobby Wagner. Oh, gosh.


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[Assistant] Tyler Eifert's running at me in a deep cross, right?


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[Assistant] And now he's running and I gotta take him for a little bit as he crosses. I can't just go, oh, I'm in zone and I'm just gonna let him like run by me and then like we're gonna let him catch the ball cause I'm in zone. No, that's not the way zone works in the NFL anymore.


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[Assistant] It's mostly max zones, so when he gets there, now he's taking that guy that's almost like man to man for a few steps, where he's not gonna just let him go free access, but within that,


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[Assistant] You send another guy right behind it. And now, there's nobody there.


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[Assistant] Right? Because the guy who's got that other guy at the first part of his route who's running the, the little lesser cross route, the second cross or the second man through is why I say that.


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[Assistant] He is going, oh wait, this guy's leaving my area, I'm gonna let him go and pass him to Bobby Wagner, but he doesn't realize, no, Bobby Wagner's got his own issues right now, he can't pass him off. But that's the way the defense is, so that's a Seattle beater.


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[Assistant] Two guys, two receivers to the left, right? Let's do another Seattle Beater. Two receivers to your left, okay? The outside receiver runs like a real skinny post right along the inside edge of the corner, right? The inside edge of the shoulder of the corner.


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[Assistant] It's a zone defense, let's not forget. But it's a match zone. So now, here's the corner, he sees this guy running at me. Okay, I'm supposed to run with him.


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[Assistant] But he's starting to run to the post. At some point, you're not supposed to run with them.


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[Assistant] The safety's there for that. You're supposed to stay in your third half, hence cover three. Well, it's hard in a match zone.


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[Assistant] So he follows the guy a little inside, and what do they do? With the slot receiver, he runs a little out route, so in his eye, he's, that corner still sees nothing coming back to his third to attack him, so he goes, let me follow this guy inside. But the slot receiver goes an out route and then runs up, and now, woah.


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[Assistant] Nobody's there. And the linebacker's not, who's covering him in that part of the zone, once he goes up, he's going, oh, my corner's back there, I don't need to follow him up the sidelines. And bam, and that's when you see John Ross catch a long ball down the left sideline for a touchdown. So he had a lot of those type of things that I've seen from


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[Assistant] Whether it was Peyton Manning and the Broncos, uh, Kyle Shanahan with the Falcons or the 49ers and things he's done to that Seattle defense and of course things that McVeigh's done to them. Those are Seattle beaters and they expose that coverage which is


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[Assistant] All over the NFL right now, and this is why I keep saying to these defenses, a la Andy Reid in Jacksonville, Jacksonville runs the Seattle defense. They're from Seattle.


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[Assistant] And there's an inventory of plays in the NFL right now because so many people run the scheme where they go, here's our Seattle beaters. And New England's played them in the Super Bowl. And New England played the Chargers in the playoffs divisional round last year. What defense does Seattle run?


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[Assistant] I mean, the Chargers run, the Seattle defense, Gus Bradley's decorted, and why do they shred them apart? Because they've seen it, they have all the beaters.


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[Assistant] That's an issue with the Seattle scheme, and that's why we call them Seattle Beaters. New term today. Seattle Beaters, second man through. I'm gonna use that at home. Second man through, the old second man.


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[Assistant] But it was encouraging, and all I can say with Seattle is, you know, Ezekiel Anza, not 100% yet, LJ Collier, I don't even know if he played, Jaron Reid, when that defense, and then Jadevion Clowney gets a few games on it, watch out, that front seven can change them games.


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[Assistant] And I got another read. I know I got the P-F-T-P-M read. You go with the read. Cause my man, Michael Florio, he's Italian and he's down in West Virginia.


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[Assistant] Uh, but PFTPM, new episodes Tuesday, okay? He had Jamal Adams in his power rankings, okay? So,


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[Assistant] Always go on and check out his power rankings. At the very least, do it for me and get on there and crap all over his power rankings and tell him he's wrong. He'll get really flustered and I always enjoy a Florio flustered. Okay? Uh, but he does have a great interview with Jamal Adams. He's one of the best safeties in football.


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[Assistant] Uh, Floria and I, of course we always discuss the Antonio Brown situation, the latest on all of that, the legality, the CBA, the NFL following all of it. That's where Mike Floria is absolutely the freaking man. He will be all over that subject.


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[Assistant] Not only from the NFL side with the legal process, but from Antonio Brown's side, and he's going to always do a deep dive in that. That's worth the PFTPM with the Mike Florio.


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[Assistant] Don't ask me about the Dolphins, because there's nothing I can say to make you feel better, okay? Let's ask that right now. Not one damn thing. You're screwed. Think hard. You're screwed. Maybe start Josh Rosen? I don't know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay, Bears, this is how I'll make you feel comfortable. The team is still really talented. And let's not forget, the defense is real. It was 10 points, okay. That Green Bay scored.


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[Assistant] But that Packers defense is going to be a top ten defense in football. If not a top five. Not better, yeaah. It's super talented. It's really well coached.


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[Assistant] Your team, your offense didn't play in the preseason. And I just don't care who you are. If you're Peyton Manning, Bart Starr, Joe Namath, if you don't play in the preseason, you're not gonna come out hitting on all cylinders. So that's what I would say to Bears fans. Things will get right on the offensive side of the ball. My one issue with the Bears is though, like we talked about today, they need to find something that


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[Assistant] What are we hanging our hat on? What's the identity of that? Offensively? They do everything good and they do everything under the sun on the offense, but there's not one thing I go, ooh, they do this really good and if a defense doesn't stop that, they're screwed. They don't have that one thing and I think they need to find that, that little identity.


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[Assistant] It's okay. Defense is encouraging. Okay. They got some young talent in their second name. Vernon Hargraves look good. Okay. Their defensive front is a pretty stout group. I mean, hey, I think a lot of like the 49ers offensive line and their run game.


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[Assistant] They had a hard time running the ball. It wasn't easy.


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[Assistant] I can't get any worse for Jameis. Okay? I was waiting for you to include him in the positive. I root for Jameis. I root for the Bucks. Come on, they drafted me. They're a special team to me still. I really do. And I just was heartbroken by some of that. I just, I couldn't believe Jameis made some of those decisions in that game. I just was absolutely shocked. Jets.


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[Assistant] Okay, Jets, you played one of the best defenses in football. And one of the best game planners in all of football.


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[Assistant] And just how we talk with like Andy Reid, first game of the year off our bio week. Man, Sean McDermott would be one of those defensive coaches where I'd be like, I don't want to play him week one. Cause he is going to be all over you from that aspect. So that's one thing to look at. That, that, hey, let's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,


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[Assistant] They were special. So, offense will continue to look better. There is that.


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[Assistant] Come on, Greg Williams and that defense caused chaos all game long. I mean, the offense should have put the game away a long time before that. And I know, you know, yeaah, they came back and made some plays, but created four turnovers and, you know, scored eight points. So there's a lot of things to like about the defensive performance of the New York Jets.


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[Assistant] You know, the pass offense was, was underwhelming in the game. Uh, I gotta think...


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[Assistant] There's a little more creativity. I didn't get to watch this film, so it's hard to tell what the hell is going on on the defensive side of the ball. I'll say this much. I don't know where the pass offense goes, okay? I know I like Courtland Sutton a lot.


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[Assistant] I know the offensive line play will get better. Why, you might say? Not because of the offensive lineman himself, because of Mike Menchek. One of the best offensive linemen I've ever been around for as coaching goes, he will get them right.


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[Assistant] It's still early in that Vic Fangio defense too. You know, John Gruden, they had the proper game plan, they stayed patient with the run, they threw a lot of quick footballs, really got the biggest pass play of the game off a third and one where they faked a run, he threw a bomb down the middle.


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[Assistant] So, again, I think this is a team still kind of getting their feet underneath them right now, uh, as far as the Denver Broncos are concerned. That was moderately optimistic. That was good.


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[Assistant] Falcons are still a lot of talent on that team. That's what I would like to say. And going into Minnesota and playing a guy like Mike Zimmer week one is not easy. Now you heard me, I got the questions about the offensive line, pass protecting. That's going to be an issue. But Matt Ryan... And the running back. Well, and the running back. I do. Whether he can capitalize on some of the holes that are there to be had.


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[Assistant] I can promise you Matt Ryan won't throw the dumb interceptions he threw on a consistent basis as the season goes on. I mean, he's gonna make plays. They still got Calvin Ridley and Julio Jones and Mohamed Sanu. So that's dangerous from the pass game standpoint. And, you know, their defense didn't even really get to play to their strength.


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[Assistant] You know, their defense is used to, okay, we're in an even game or we're winning because of Matt Ryan and now we can use our speed and rush the passer and fly all around the field because you have to throw a little more than you would like because our offense is high flying.


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[Assistant] That game never got off the ground to where they were like, oh gosh, we gotta stop the run game from like square one. And that's the only thing they gotta worry about. So there's still a lot of talent in that Falcons team for me to give up on them yet. Last one. Yeah. Jaguars. Jaguars.


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[Assistant] I'm going to talk you off the ledge. This defense is still as talented as there is in football. The only thing I'm pissed off about with the Jaguars is like what my dad said, that they lost their cool like that, like Miles Jack. I'm just disappointed in him because he's, he's really one of my favorite players to watch in football. He's phenomenal middle linebacker and, uh, but they're still.


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[Assistant] Again, they went against Andy Reid, the ultimate game planner, the ultimate week one. I mean, let's not forget, he shit all over New England and Bill Belichick two years ago in opening week two. He shit all over the Chargers to start last season in week one too.


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[Assistant] And this is not your, okay, so now you have a guy that's great schematics, but out of this world, talent to go along with his schematics with Mahomes, Watkins, Kelly, you know, Tyree, Kill, all that good offense line. They're not going to see an offense better than that this year for the rest of the way. And Gardner, Minshew?


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[Assistant] He looks good. He looks good. He's not Nick Foles but I think they have enough help around him.


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[Assistant] You know, as long as they're not playing the Kansas City Chiefs again this week, they can stay close with any team. If they kind of play through their run game, their defense gets back on track. I'm not giving up on Jacksonville. I thought I was. And then I watched the film and I went, okay, this kid's going to be okay. He's going to be okay. I would not be shocked. I haven't picked him yet, but I would not be shocked if they went into Houston and beat them this week.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Browns, Baker Mayfield, that was about as poor as I've ever seen him throw the football. That won't happen again. Uh, another team that got shotgun happy.


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[Assistant] Along with the Buffalo Bills. I didn't get to talk about that. They're another team. I mean, they just were like, well, we, we, we let go of, uh, LaShawn McCoy. We're not going to run the ball anymore. Like, I mean, that's what it looked like. I was like, damn, I mean, all we talked about was Josh Allen growing as a player. We're going to put the whole organization in his hands. The whole game, shotgun, call every play.


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[Assistant] Back to my point, the Browns stole a ton of talent, okay. Still, I don't think Baker Mayfield will ever play that bad again as far as just missing throws and some of the dumb decisions. They played a team that's...


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[Assistant] New England-ish and their approach on defense. They built their secondary and then went down from there like dad said.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's Logan Ryan, it's Malcolm Butler, it's a Dory Jackson. Those are, you know.


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[Assistant] Second round pick, two first round picks, or you know, a free agent who's awesome, who's a big time free agent. You know, Kevin Bayard in the back end. He's one of the best safeties in football. And then you got Dean Pease and Mike Vrabel that will run Baltimore and New England coverages. That'll be about as hard to pass defense as they'll see all year long. And don't forget Cleveland.


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[Assistant] It was 15 to 13 with three minutes left in the third quarter. You said it already, that game was misleading. Right. It was a little closer than that. The wheels fell off because Baker just kind of lost way, lost his way for really one of the first times we've ever seen in his career at the start of that fourth quarter and through three straight interceptions and that's just how it became a blowout. Right.


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[Assistant] Which one would you like the best for your, uh, I know you, what did you want to say was the leader in the club now so far? The Bears or? I think it was the Jets right away. Oh yea, the Jets right away.


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[Assistant] Don't get pass happy. They can run block there too, and Nick Chubb is good.


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[Assistant] And at least I have some people here at NBC who will vouch for me. Because I do have coaches that come up to me every now and then go, I heard what you said about our team. This is not for print. Or this is between us. But I heard what you said and you were right. And when I heard you say that I changed or I thought about it.


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[Assistant] I've had my man Matt Casey in the back who's heard a few coaches come up to me and say that. So I can never share it.


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[Assistant] If it's a clean toilet, I'm sitting down. I'm just telling you, it makes sense, alright? I'm done, Paulie, you the man. See you next week. Peace out, homies. We're done. We're out. Chris Sims on buttons. See you, see you Thursday. We're gonna pick some games.


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[Assistant] I did get uncomfortable. Alright. So we got an AMA, again, it's an All AMA podcast. Yeaah, good. Cause we like to do it from time to time because, you know, right, like your friends are at home streaming at their phone or their computer because I didn't ask the question at the right time. So now you have no excuses. Now we have like two pages of, uh,


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[Assistant] of questions to get your, your take on the, and these are not just football takes. Good, I mean it's, there's not that much


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[Assistant] We wanna get to know Chris the person. Oh great. Away from this microphone. Cool. And away from the computer and the mugs. What you really like. Yep.


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[Assistant] And everything like that. Yep. So all that is, all that's coming up on this podcast. We've got more stuff to promote. We'll do that later. Let's get to the Ask Me Anything. Yeah, let's do it. We'll start with a football question. The first one is Drew Kolb. And he says, if you're a defensive coordinator, how do you stop Patrick Mahomes? And what is technically defined as stopping him? That's the real question.


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[Assistant] And what you saw from him last year, you feel like, because yea, that's how you slow him down, but he also has room to grow. What a doubt. He can get better.


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[Assistant] That's unfortunate. Yeah, I know, Mike. Dirt's dirty. My daughter likes dirt. Does she? She's three. Right. My son didn't eat it, my daughter eats it. Eats it? Yep. Like, and gives it a true ch-


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[Assistant] No, that's a broad, broad question. I'm as clean as a whistle. I don't know where they're getting that from. Lots of minerals and dirt though. That is true. She's getting that. Their immunity is being built up. Strong. Uh, hypothetically, Roger struggles in the Le Fleur system. Yes. Or rebels against it.


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[Assistant] What does that do to his quarterback ranking? You said a couple weeks ago that Stafford has a challenge not playing backyard ball, and that's part of his regression. Right.


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[Assistant] How would you think it's going to play out though? Because what we've heard so far is that Rodgers wants more options. You get Lefleur, you get option A, option B at the line, pick one. Aaron's like, I want five options.


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[Assistant] They both want to win, and they both want to have the best year offensively that they can have, and so it seems unlikely that they wouldn't be able to make it work. What would be, how would it not work eventually between this, Aaron's steadfast on this, it ends up being a worse way of doing it.


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[Assistant] Staying on the quarterback theme here. If you're a quarterback, oh no, actually I want, let's do Ryan LaPoint. Ryan LaPoint, would you agree that Stafford was unrightfully attacked early in his career, Matt Stafford, for not being consistent with his throwing motion, the sidearm throwing, and now quarterbacks are praised for being able to do things a little unorthodox when necessary? Yes.


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[Assistant] Interesting. Uh, this is from Marcus Brundage. Sims, give me your dream coaching staff. I like this one. Wow. Can be past or present to current coaches, uh, head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, etc. So let's start with your special teams coach.


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[Assistant] And the fact that you've picked two coaches now, Sean Payton and Bill Belichick, who have won.


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[Assistant] Pete Carroll, yeaah. How do they all co-exist? Ooh, that's some personality.


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[Assistant] When Buddy gets into a fight with Bill Walsh, who wins? Oh, yeah, yeah, I think Buddy, yeah. So you go Bill Belichick over Vince Lombardi. I know, that really stinks.


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[Assistant] Yep, they did. Their bench was better than a lot of other teams starting their lineups. So that was cool. That was interesting. JohnnyBGood57.


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[Assistant] Well, it's hard either way, too, because sometimes, I mean, how much can you, you hear it a lot of times in the NFL, where it's like, oh, you're gonna draft a quarterback, he's gonna stand on the sidelines, he's gonna learn. It's like, okay, how much can you really learn, though? How much progress do you make?


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[Assistant] Because sometimes even if you struggle, it's better just to be thrown into the fire. You'll learn so much more that way than just by watching it and observing it, you know. Agreed with that. Maybe for you it's such a big transition, you go into college, you gotta get that all, you wrap your head around that and then you can move on to football.


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[Assistant] I do think there's something to be said about starting before your even ready.


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[Assistant] Uh, 512.com. Yeah. 512 is the area code down there. Oh, the 512. Yeah. So here it is. He's living down there. Favorite restaurants and bars when you went to school here in Austin. Gosh, they've all changed.


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[Assistant] So you would go out with your teammates. Yeah. And you're, you know, normally the quarterback pays because, but in the NFL, but you're not in the NFL, you're in college. No, but when your dad was the quarterback in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Such an amazing city. I've been there just one time. It's a cool city, right? It seems really, really cool. It is. Uhm, and then you go to the pros and you're like, where's all the people? How come no one's coming up to me as much? I mean, it was probably still happening to you in Tampa, but maybe not as much. Maybe not as rabid. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That's true, and you saw that a lot when I was working in the Bay Area with players that would come there that were playing at other places. Evander Kane was a hockey player who played in Ottawa. Right, I remember Kane, I remember him. And he came over and


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[Assistant] He was like, it's crazy, you just blend in. Cause you got the Warriors, you got the 49ers, you got the Raiders right there, you got the San Francisco Giants, and yea, when you're in those big, big cities, you blend in even more. No doubt.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mor, Moritz Burr? Moritzer Burr? Moritzer Burr. Moritzer Burr says, uh,


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[Assistant] Will the Browns implode if they lose a couple games in a row? Especially with these high expectations of first year head coach.


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[Assistant] Bam Finson, as we continue with our Ask Me Anything. It hasn't gotten uncomfortable yet. It hasn't. I want there to be like an uncomfortable moment. I do too, because I like to watch you get uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] In the, in the NFL is, you know, Chad Johnson, Ocho Senko. The NFL is, it's a little different. I mean, Terrell Owens had to wait. There's a little bit more of a, how well did you get along with everyone? And because Terrell Owens on numbers alone is a first. First ballot. Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] Cross over and you go, yep, he'll have no problem. It's like saying in baseball, which players could be a pitcher and a, and a hitter is like, well, they probably wouldn't be great at either one.


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[Assistant] You know who one would not be good with a position change is uh, safety for Rob Gronkowski. We saw that against Miami and that didn't go that well. That doesn't work. No, exactly right.


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[Assistant] What was going through your head when you rushed into the end zone against Washington during that playoff game and didn't grood and tell you anything afterwards?


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[Assistant] I never played in an NFL playoff game, but as you know, I did play in a wing tee offense in high school. We had a winning conference record my senior year, so it was pretty good. But there was one time that I can distinctly remember where I'm walking up to center.


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[Assistant] And I, before I get understood, the line's getting already, and I think, oh, I wonder what I'm going to get from McDonald's after the game. Because that was what we would do, we'd get McDonald's after the game. Right. The weird, why would that thought pop in my head at that moment, you know? But it's just sometimes, I can't clear your mind. Why am I thinking about that?


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[Assistant] Thank you. Cool, yea, so he's a little distracted. Year two won't be as distracted. Hopefully not. Hopefully not. Uh, NickRizzo86, this is a, a battle royale. Rank their athleticism and who wins in a battle royale? Lefkoe, Florio, Burmeister, me, and Liam. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] He would dig deep and get some real anger and he would cause some harm. Right. Yes.


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[Assistant] Hosts and former hosts. That would be good. See who can win. I think you could maybe. Oh yea, punt pass and kick. I like your chances in a race for sure. I think I could do it. Although I haven't, like I haven't full out sprinted probably in 15 years. I can't think the last time I went as hard as I could. Really? Good job.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's cool. I like that. So we'll get that up on the website where you had me number two in athleticism. I like that. Uh, J Nick 30.


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[Assistant] It's really weird to mentor the guy who's trying to get your job and take your money. It's more...


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[Assistant] Well, then, then people might think. Maybe players can see it a little bit more. They can be honest with the, uh, valuing and assessment of it. Well, definitely, right.


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[Assistant] If you couldn't work in the sports realm, what would your dream career be? So you're not in, you were never a football player, you're just, you've got a different career path entirely, what is it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, put on a cape and you would, uh, you'd protect some of the things out there. What animals do you have?


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[Assistant] She was too busy taking heads off of chickens. She was, right, right. Yes. What do you do with the chickens? What do you use them for?


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[Assistant] Chickens, if I was to have one right here, freak me out a little bit. They're actually- any bird really freaks me out, chickens really freak me out.


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[Assistant] Wouldn't even think you'd have chickens, but okay. Alright, that's interesting. We learned something in our AMA. Uhm, how about Matthew Cole Webb?


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[Assistant] How cool is that? So far I've made it to the Saints, Packers, Titans, Dolphins and Jags. What is the most badass, funnest stadium you've played in?


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[Assistant] I'm trying to figure out where I should go next. Thanks man, keep up the good work, love the pod. Okay, so he said what? Saints, Packers, Jags. Orleans, Green Bay, Nashville, Miami, and Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] Speak to that, okay? They're almost, I would say, pretty much every NFL stadium has its own cool things. They're just really cool monuments to the sport of football.


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[Assistant] And I have giant hands. This is how I did it. Back when I did it. You say it was a bad way to do it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it feels weird. But if you throw with it like that enough, you'd get used to it, and then it probably would've worked better for me. Hey, Comfort is the name of the game. Can we do some rapid fire to finish it up? Of course. I'll be rapid because I'm so nervous.


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[Assistant] Devin Morgan 93, can you make up another quarterback song jingle? So they like the Mahomes. My homie, my homie, my homie.


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[Assistant] Kid Vanilla Sky won. Did you button your shirts to the top win in Tampa during the 95 degrees and 1000% humidity?


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[Assistant] I don't want it to hurt and taste weird. No, you just want to get to the point. Refresh me and give me a little buzz, please. Brian Huff, if you can have only one for the rest of your life, what do you choose? Fork or a spoon? Oooooh. Fork or a spoon? Yea.


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[Assistant] I'm going spoon. Wow. I'm going spoon. Well, you had soup today for lunch. Yes, right. I mean, is that why you don't want to give up soup?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's a fork for me. You think it's a fork? I don't need enough liquidy type foods to justify, like even macaroni and cheese, which you could have a, it could be creamy.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's a soup. I don't, yeaah, I don't think anyone's ever considered it a soup, although now it could become the debate like a hot dog is a sandwich or not. Right, well good thing I got a spoon though, either way, cause the soup or the cereal, I'm good to go. Can we do two more? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Kugel will empty more. Sims, I know you're a big beans not beef proponent. What is your typical Chipotle order? You got me to give the veggie bowl a try. It was still incredibly bomb. So he liked it. Or she liked it.


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[Assistant] You have to tell them that you want that because they won't ask you.


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[Assistant] And grilled vegetables. And grilled vegetables, and that's it. Nooo. Nothing else. No cheese, no. Nope. Guac. Nope.


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[Assistant] That's good to go. You're funny. That's all you need. Right. Okay. Yeah. Uh, last one, and this one comes from at Chris Dims. You have a parody account, Chris. That's when you know you're making it.


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[Assistant] They have no weapons, just fists, Chris. You don't have to, you don't have to kill. Okay. Incapacitate. Good. I don't like to kill 12 year olds. FYI, the average weight is 88 pounds of a 12 year old. So, how many could you take in a fight, then no weapons involved, and you just have to...


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[Assistant] What if my number's zero? What if I couldn't, what if he took me? No, your number's not zero. I could get two maybe. I could tell you, I could tell you that. Uh, that was fun. How much do you weigh? We got some, uh, 185 right now. How much do you bench? Uh, like 110.


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[Assistant] I think maybe 105. Okay. Uh, that was it. That was Ask Me Anything. Alright, we did it. That was good. I learned some more about you. Cool. I like doing these because I can learn about you. I know. Well, we still haven't gotten the hang of it.


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[Assistant] Uh, cool, so we got the Tahoe trip coming up. Tahoe trip's coming up. On some unusual podcasts and just different podcasts. We'll give you some guests. Maybe Aaron Rodgers will be there. Uh, we do want to give a shout out to PFT. 10 year anniversary. Seriously. The marriage of NBC and Pro Football Talk and Mike Florio. That's cool.


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[Assistant] Uh, is the Peter King podcast. Uh, we got a special guest coming up on July 17th for Peter King's podcast.


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[Assistant] At least a shirt that's not ironed. If you think this is pale, like just think of what the rest is. There's your fantasy.


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[Assistant] It was great, but we had a full 16 round PPR draft last week. Chris was on the side set with Matt Straub. Yes. We had myself, John Daigle, Roto Pat, Scott Pianowski, Andy Barons. That's great. You had a good time. I did.


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[Assistant] No. Oh, trust me, Kristen Coleman knows that I just mushed them together. I'm awful at that. But now is the time for everyone's drafts, you know. This weekend, Labor Day coming up. And so really, if you want to win your league, just download the football podcast.


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[Assistant] The first one, and this is an obvious name, but it's Nick Chubb. Okay. And he's going right now is around the running back 8-15 overall, so right around that second round turn. Right. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if he finishes in that top five running back group. And the top three is said, it's Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley. Right.


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[Assistant] I would put up there if there's a contract situation happening, but right now as that stands.


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[Assistant] Is he worth a first round pick? To me he is. And I'm a little bit more confident in Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter. By the time that cream hunt comes back, Nick Chubb might have a thousand yards. And he might have won you five, six, seven weeks of your fantasy season.


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[Assistant] Yes, yeaah. Yeaah, I know, sorry. I know you guys talked about the Seattle backfield a little bit last time. Yeaah. I mean earlier today. Chris Carson is someone I'm absolutely exiting with. Um, Rashad Penny, I think the only reason why there's any positivity around him right now is because he went in the first quarter.


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[Assistant] It looks that way. And Chris Carson was someone that last year finished as a top five rusher. He's going as the running back 21 right now. 146 touches still on the table. He's someone that I am- 21? Isn't that wild? Yes. Isn't that wild? I think at 20 running backs it should go before. No way.


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[Assistant] The issue with that is a lot of times the 18, 16 running backs ahead of him have locked in workloads. Like they're gonna get 200 and 250 touches. And people see that Rashad Penny in the same backfield and say, okay, he's gonna have more of a sophomore push. Right. I don't think that's the case at all. I think it's the team that rewards good play. And Chris Carson is far superior to Rashad Penny right now.


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[Assistant] Of course. Mark Ingram's another one. I mean, this is a team with the Baltimore Ravens that will probably lead the league in rushing. Yea. And rushing attempts. Right. And maybe half of those go to the quarterback. That's great. That's another- Defensive backs too, right? But that's another one. I mean, Leshmar Jackson's going as the quarterback 16 right now. Right. This is another reason why in our last conversation I talked about waiting at the quarterback position. Yea. But there's something called stacking.


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[Assistant] In fantasy football. You know, a lot of times people want to diversify their portfolio with getting players from different teams. Why not, if you really believe in an offense, why not just get the best players on that team? So Lamar Jackson and Mark Ingram having that combination, that's all the rushing tolders, and even at Justice Hill later on, is that's an absolute team that I want to invest in.


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[Assistant] So last time I was on this podcast, we talked about Arizona's offense. They were kind of hiding things. Do you think the same thing can be said for the Ravens offensively too? Because this is a full offseason now that Greg Roman has to plan a rushing attack. We could see ten


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[Assistant] 20, 30 different styles of runs and different formation of personnel groupings.


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[Assistant] For sure, so. And Justice Hill is a name and really these late round rookie running blocks that go in the double digits, I mean I have a list of them.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you have Justice Hill, you have Tony Pollard, Darwin Thompson, Alexander Madison. These are all running backs that are 55 or later. Right. But a real edge when you get to fantasy football is to get ahead of the curve on these rookie runners because no one knows anything about them and they can really win you your entire season.


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[Assistant] And Justice Hill has some skills. Yes. That can be an Alvin Kamara type player. Sure. To Mark Ingram's Mark Ingram. Sure. The issue with that is it's not like Drew Brees is at the helm. It's not like Sean Payton's calling the plays. Right. So who knows how much of an impact he can make. But again, he's basically free is how we call it at Running Back 52 right now.


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[Assistant] Well, we started this conversation by me saying I'm a nice guy. So, let me first say- We're avoiding you.


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[Assistant] A lot of people do. Uh, let me say that I don't hate any of these players. In a right situation, how they fell to me, I would probably want all of them on my team. They're just going too early for me right now. And the first one is Zacher, it's a tied in three.


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[Assistant] For sure, and it's not because he's not going to be productive, he's going to be super productive. But last year he had 44 targets more than a previous career high, 38 receptions, like 400 and, excuse me, yea, 400 more yards than he previously had before that.


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[Assistant] They were the only two receiving options on that team that played all 16 games. Right. You would like him on your team if you got him in what round? Probably round 3, but right now he's going 29 overall. Wow. Uhm, so maybe even round 4 I would take him.


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[Assistant] He's going as a tight end three. And I think that the clear tier above him is Travis Kelsey is George Kittle. But we talk about


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[Assistant] Now you have Deshaun Jackson. Uh huh. Now you have Alshon Jeffery. Right. Now you have JGR Sega Whiteside. Now to me you have maybe- Mack Hollins who was hurt last year who I think could be in some- Maybe a top seven Titan talent in Dallas Goddard as well on the team. Right. There's just not gonna be as funneled of targets towards Zachary's direction and because of that there's gonna be natural regression.


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[Assistant] And everyone was amped about the Cleveland Browns. Basically trying to exit a draft with as many Cleveland Browns as they could. I'm out in Jarvis Landry as wide receiver 28, 62 overall. I mean, I can ask you both this question. When was the last time Jarvis Landry did not lead his team in targets?


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[Assistant] 50 in terms of the gap between the top target getter and then which is Jarvis Landry versus the next. We would be shocked.


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[Assistant] Correct? So because of that, like, what is Jarvis Landrieu? He's not going to have that vertical ability that he showed last year or that usage that he showed last year? He might even be third. I totally agree.


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[Assistant] So he, again, wide receiver 28, there's a lot of names coming after him that, you know, might be...


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[Assistant] Uhm, home run shots, and like a Robbie Anderson and a Will Fuller. But I think it's totally fine to take those types, win your week, and not have that kind of consistency that you get from Jarvis Landry, because that's what he is. He's like an average depth of target of...


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[Assistant] Five, six, seven yards. You can always find a Trequin. You can always find a Cole Beasley. Right. You've talked up an Adam Humphries. Right. And filled that need in your roster as well.


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[Assistant] One more. Derrick Henry. Okay. Derrick Henry is going as running back 20 right now. I think we've all forgotten how much of a headache Derrick Henry is. Completely. He erased our memory.


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[Assistant] Yeah, those final four games he was outstanding. He was seeing like 22 carries, one reception per game over 140 rushing yards. Prior to that, he averaged 11 carries per game, 40 yards per game and one catch per game.


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[Assistant] We don't also know what this offense is going to be. It's possibly different. Derrick Henry's also missed a ton of training camp. And as running back 20, you in many cases might take him as your lead ball carrier because of wide receivers you might load up on tight ends you might load up on. I think the fantasy community and maybe people at this table are forgetting how much of a headache Derrick Henry has been.


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[Assistant] You know, some people might say, well, you're talking up Damian Williams and not talking about Derrick Henry. Okay, one's attached to the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah. One's attached to the Tennessee Titans. Exactly right. And the Titans have Marcus Mario at quarterback. Right. They're getting back to Laney Walker, which takes Targets away. They brought in Adam Humphries, takes Targets away, close line of scrimmage. And AJ Brown might be the same type of player. He's really smart.


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[Assistant] And make sure to go by, quarterback of the future.


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[Assistant] Damn, I got a big mouth. I mean, I'm just talking over you and you're trying to say important things. Like, you've only seen five movies. What's up, everybody? Chris Sins, Ahmed Fareed is here. What up? Uhm, alright. You've done, you're very coachable.


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[Assistant] That I've seen. That I like. That one I like. All right, what other baseball movies have you seen? Apparently you like baseball movies. League of their own. League of their own, okay. And that's it.


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[Assistant] Alright, so, so you've seen some, but you, like, Forrest Gump.


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[Assistant] That's pretty good. Groundhog Day is really good. I'm not gonna say it's anywhere near my top 5 all time movies.


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[Assistant] I tend to go a little more of the serious route, but still, that did stand the test of time. That did, that's a good one.


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[Assistant] You're gonna throw out some players. I am. We're gonna do some speed rounds, some other deep thoughts like Chris Sims and his film studies. I've seen just about everything that needs to be seen in football, uh, as far as film goes. You do, every time I go into your office, you're like, I'm just trying to


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[Assistant] I'm just trying to stare, yea, I was trying to even get a few things in before we started the podcast. So we got all that coming in and then we got some news to hit on. Uh, it's actually been pretty eventful.


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[Assistant] I mean, first of all, the way he sold it, alright, this is just things that jump out to me when I watch it raw. The way he sold it and how he paused for a second, told me that was preconceived, like at some point that was gonna come out during the interview. As soon as he got one little way to fit it in there, he was gonna do it. Two.


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[Assistant] As you might have heard, Ezekiel and his camp, his agent comes out yesterday and makes a little statement. They were not amused. Not amused. Thought it was a little disrespectful. I agree. You know, again, I know Jerry wasn't saying this to be mean, but this is just not the situation to joke around.


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[Assistant] You know, first off, Ezekiel Elliott, this is, this is more than just joking around. He's sitting at home. This is his livelihood. It's not just his livelihood. It's his future family's livelihood. It's the family around him. He is in a spot right now to change the rest of his life.


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[Assistant] And he's put in a lot of work and taken a lot of big shots and already broken his body down to an extent to where he's within every right to ask for more money. You said it. He feels like he might be one of the best running backs in football.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say he's better than Saquon Barkley. He's definitely one of the top two or three running backs in the game, hands down. And the results speak for themselves.


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[Assistant] Every game he's played in, he's led yards per carry, uh, I mean, yeaah, yards per game, average, okay. He's led the NFL two out of three years of his career in, in rushing, you know, they are


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[Assistant] Here's a great stat, if you're watching on YouTube, 28 and 12 with him, 4 and 4 without him. Oh yeah, exactly right, 4 and 4 without him. Alright, that rings true to me. Now,


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[Assistant] I don't think he would have liked that. That would have hurt his ego. I didn't think of it that way. Yeah, so it's messed up. Two, not cool. I'm just telling you, the guys in the locker room are gonna look at Jerry and go, damn, that's how he's gonna do, that's how he's gonna do Zeke. Right. That's how he's gonna clown on him, he's gonna play games on him, so that's a little messed up too. And I understand Zeke being a little pissed off. Last thing I wanna say before we move on.


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[Assistant] Yes, I like Tony Pollard. There's a reason Zeke Elliott was the fourth pick of the NFL Draft. There's a reason. Because he's 30 pounds heavier than Tony Pollard, 25-ish. He's faster than Tony Pollard. He's stronger. Every bit is explosive.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I'm not gonna sit here and go, oh, the Cowboys are good. Did you see preseason game number two against the backups with the Rams? Why the Cowboys had all their starters in on offense other than Zach Martin? So, you gotta be careful there. And I know, again, Tony Pollard's gonna at least give them confidence to go, hey, we can run our offense and do that.


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[Assistant] My big thing is, hey, if this goes into the season, and they're gonna play the Giants week one, and I'm just throwing this out there right now.


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[Assistant] The Giants are going to be a handful. The Giants offense, already Shermer's got his stamp on it, it looks good. The Giants defense is full of man meat. Okay? Man meat.


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[Assistant] There is a thousand pounds between three guys on that, on that defensive line. When you go to BJ Hill,


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[Assistant] Dexter Lawrence and Dalvin Tomlinson, that's 315, 315, and 345. I mean, that's almost a thousand pounds right there. Yeaah, there's not going to be holes in certain plays. And that's where Zeke really comes into play.


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[Assistant] In week one. They might. Yes, they're putting a lot of pressure on their new OC and Dak Prescott and everything around it. But I just thought that was a little bit of a low blow by Jerry Jones.


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[Assistant] Oh, I know. I do think Zeke has a leverage. Now, do I think the Cowboys are cocky enough to think, oh no, we're still good enough and we might pull it off? Yeah, I think they do think that as well, too. And it might take them getting smacked in the mouth week one against the New York Giants, and then they go, damn.


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[Assistant] Let's get him back. Let's give him the extra million or two million dollars he's asking for that we didn't want to give him and get him back here and get him in the fold.


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[Assistant] I think they can both get their money within reason. I just don't think right now they're asking, I think they're probably asking for money that Dallas isn't willing to give up, give right now. And you know, they gotta worry about Zeke first and get that handled. And again, the running back money, even top dollar running back money is not gonna make or break anybody's salary cap at this point in time.


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[Assistant] You know, 14 million a year, whatever it may be, that number is going to be right around there. It's not going to make or break the football team for the Dallas Cowboys. Now they're trying to squeeze a few million off of him and probably a few million off of Dak Prescott and everything like that to make things work. I get that. Uh, but I think Zeke has real leverage here because the team is built around him and I will not be shocked.


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[Assistant] No, I think he does have a point in the fact of the matter that everybody else got to wear their helmet one more year for that grace period year, right?


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[Assistant] Tom Brady last year had a helmet that- Same with Aaron Rodgers. Same thing. They had a helmet that they knew it was banned, it was no longer to be able to be usable in the NFL, but they had their one last time to shine in it and then they got to move on to the new helmet. I'm guessing that's where Antonio Brown filed the grievances and said, no, I deserve that one year grace period too.


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[Assistant] I think the NFL clearly made a mistake here. Like this should have been number 12 helmet on your 11 band helmet list.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and they didn't put it on there for whatever reason. I don't know if it's because it's been out of production for so long and they just didn't even feel like they had to. Maybe. And it just slipped through the cracks because one guy is wearing it. Like, I would like to know how many people actually were wearing that model helmet last year. Or if anybody else was. I mean, Antonio Brown, it could be very real that he could be the only guy in football that's even wearing that type of brand helmet. Regardless.


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[Assistant] You can't, you can't be just walking out on the football team because you're not gonna get your helmet. I mean, come on. You're a high level athlete, alright. One, you are, you have been


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[Assistant] Putting people who put a lot of faith into you and you're compromising them big time. And that's where Antonio Brown is just, it's gotta end. And I'm glad Mike Mayock made that comment yesterday about...


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[Assistant] How to happen. How to happen. Somebody had to say it. And I'm sure Gruden wanted to say it, but they're doing it the right way. Let Gruden be the good cop, cause he can gush about his play and in meetings and go, oh look at Antonio and we're going to do this for Antonio and all that.


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[Assistant] And Mayok can be the bad guy to basically say, no, it's gotta change. And it does. It has to change. Uh, it really does. Because it just, he looks ridiculous at this point. I mean, he really does. And I'm sick of talking about it.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, I think the NFL is going to say no to this whole thing. Because I think they've messed up. It is an independent arbitrator. I'll be interested to see where it goes. But the fact that it's not passing any of the tests, right? Uh, that the N-O-S-C-A-E. What are these tests? I wonder how you pass a test. They like these, they do like impact type.


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[Assistant] If Tom Brady can wear a helmet and go to three out of the last four Super Bowls in one helmet and take it off this year and go to it, then damn, you can do it Antonio Brown, because I know Tom's has brought even better luck than his own helmet and hopefully this will get figured out for the Raiders sake.


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[Assistant] Yes, they saved him and they gave him money and he got himself kicked out of Pittsburgh and held them hostage and had a team come in and save the day and you'd like to give them the respect. And nothing's gonna be bad yet. Nothing's gonna be bad.


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[Assistant] Don't worry, the Raiders are not going to panic with this until his play starts to go, ehm, then they're going to go, whoa, we don't want to deal with you. But right now, I think they still think his play is going to be, whoa, holy crap, and they're going to deal with some of this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this. So, uh, there's a few things that popped to my mind, and we talked a little bit about this before we went on air, just like...


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[Assistant] This is different than an NFL beat writer or Peter King coming to your house. There's a little unwritten rules within the NFL of like, oh, hey, you know, hey, it's, I'm here to interview today. Hey, we're going to hang out and shoot this shit, but I'm going to sit down at one point and tell you, hey, let's do the interview.


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[Assistant] You burned me the last time. So, there is the checks and balances that go in there. GQ however, will not probably be doing a follow up for Baker Mayfield on the cover, unless he does win another two or three Super Bowls, then they might, and then he might be able to give them the middle of the finger. But I do think this is one of those things where yeaah, he was talking casually, and, and he didn't realize that this was a full day event,


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[Assistant] And they caught him off guard. Because this is not- Baker Mayfield's not afraid to talk. He wears his heart on his shoulder. But he doesn't like-


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[Assistant] I don't like the point. I will fight against this point. Now, I am one that did not like Daniel Jones in the first round and thought number six was crazy. I did not think he was a first round quarterback. I really didn't. You know, top of the second, that's kinda where I thought he would be. Either way, he's been very impressive and I'm not gonna take that away from him.


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[Assistant] I don't like the point of here we go into wins and shit again. Wins. I mean, Duke ain't gonna beat Clemson. I don't care if Patrick Mahomes is there this year. They're not gonna beat him, okay? Wins. Baker Mayfield, is he gonna continue to win if he stayed at Texas Tech before he transferred to Oklahoma? Doubt it, because Patrick Mahomes came and didn't win.


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[Assistant] John Elway didn't win. I hate that thing all the time of win, win, win.


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[Assistant] You know, he can make that point and go, oh, I don't see the talent, or I don't see what they're looking at, whatever it may be. But to just put wins and losses on the quarterback, to me, you know me, that's like a pet peeve of mine right now. It's all it's become. It's, it's, oh, Jared Goff wins, Brady wins, it's, nope, nothing to do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's nothing to do. Oh, that's right, the best player on the team is Aaron Donald. That's right, I forgot. Damn, I thought it was Jared Goff doing everything. I mean, so that's where I just get frustrated with that talk all the time, and I don't necessarily agree with that assessment.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't, I can't recall one. I can't, yeaah, I can't recall one. You know, I did have the luxury of growing up around it and seeing my father and always realizing to be a little careful. I mean, I think you know me, I'm pretty loose with the lips and I'm not afraid to say a whole lot.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I don't, I can't recall one time where I went, ugh, that was really stupid of me to say.


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[Assistant] And, I sometimes do get worried that, oh wait, I'm talking to some guy, or news, uh, radio, or whatever.


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[Assistant] And I'm making a point about a team and I worry about, oh wait, you know, I talked to that coach last week about this team. I hope I didn't just say something he told me not to say. That's where my biggest worries come because sometimes I just, I talk so much and I have so much information coming to my way, whether I'm studying or people I talk to at times, I get worried like, oh shit.


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[Assistant] I think that's his true feelings. And again, I don't think that's like anything bad, right? He's just telling you how he feels about the situation. And I get that. There was a lot of rumors out at the time that, and he even said it, I'm still trying to process this and all this. He was...


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[Assistant] The, the Odell Beckham Jr. spectacle in New York got too big and they felt like, man, we just, maybe we need to change the mantra of our team there. So I don't know, maybe it's a little personal in that aspect, but, but I think where it became personal to Odell Beckham Jr. as he goes, okay, here I am, you know,


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[Assistant] Superstar player, best player on the football team. And damn, I mean, I'm not even getting a warning call to the agent, a conversation with me to go, hey, we've been talking to the Cleveland Browns or this team, team X and we know there's a possibility something might go down. I think that's where he was probably hurt by it. The fact that it just was,


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[Assistant] Out of nowhere, and then it sounds like just from what he has recounted about the conversation was a very...


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[Assistant] Uh, and I think that's where he feels disrespected. And he should do a degree. I understand him being personal. It's always personal for a player. It's the first time he's never been wanted in his life, right? Where he's going, everybody else is, oh, you're going, you're going to Adele, you're going to Adele, you're going to Adele. And he's like, what? They don't want me? I'm sure that kind of surprised him. Uhm, I think he also,


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[Assistant] He probably goes, I deserve better than that. For what he's done for that franchise, I mean the last few years. And...


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[Assistant] He's looking and going, damn, there's a receiver down the road in Pittsburgh who just acted a fool for six weeks.


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[Assistant] Through everybody in the organization under the bus. Coaches, quarterback, other receivers. And damn, they even had a conversation with him about trading him. And kind of bent to his needs and what he wanted. And then here he's going, when I want a new contract, I showed up. I never held out.


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[Assistant] And I'm not saying, you know, he's a choir boy, but he certainly, I think, deserved a phone call prior to that to just warn him that this might go down.


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[Assistant] Maybe that's where the Antonio O'Brown thing played into this whole fact. And Antonio O'Brown forced his way out and was kind of creating his own trade market and maybe they were scared that if they gave him an inkling something going down with the Browns that he might get, his agent might get involved and start to call teams and kind of convlude things, right?


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[Assistant] That would be interesting either way. Now I've, there's rumors in the NFL that the Giants got better trade offers than the Cleveland Browns. Oh really? Yeah, but they took Cleveland and I don't know why, but I've certainly heard it from more than one person in the NFL to say,


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[Assistant] There was offers there that were better, but for some reason the Giants didn't want to do it with those teams. I don't know why, but that's just something I'll throw out there.


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[Assistant] And starting off with the worst podcast of them all. It's horrible. I mean, the host is horrible. He's a jerk. But no, in all seriousness, PFTPM, PFT Live, which I'm a part of in the morning, but the PFTPM podcast with Mike Florio, phenomenal. Mike, I mean, Mike is smart as it gets. Anything to do with


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, we get into it. We're, we're really good friends and we have some good arguments too. But, uh, check that out. Check all those things out. All Mike Florio encompass things.


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[Assistant] No, it did not. I can't say that I sat there and went, ooh, oh yeaah, got a little unlucky, got, you know, this, that. First off, let's, let's, you know, let's, let's know this.


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[Assistant] The guy hasn't played a ton of football to begin with in his career, and he hasn't played any.


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[Assistant] Almost in a full year. So this is the first time being out there in live action. I certainly did not expect them to come out there and be Tom Brady or Amon Rogers and just dicing people up.


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[Assistant] Gotta have more respect for the sport that way. It's just not that easy to just go back in there and go, oh I'm the man again. So I knew there would be some cobwebs to work out. Uh, within that,


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[Assistant] Okay, this is another aspect we, with all preseason games, you gotta take into effect here.


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[Assistant] You know, some teams game plan, some don't, some are playing starters, some are playing the second stringers, uh, you know, hey, this, in this particular case, these teams are practicing against each other all week, so Vic Fangio I'm sure had a great feel for what the 49ers were trying to do, uh, but, but regardless, the overall look from Jimmy, Jimmy GQ at this point,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it just wasn't stellar. Okay, and not that I say I'm gonna pa- I'm panicked yet. Uhm, but here's the things that bothered me. You know, of course the interception, right? The interception...


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[Assistant] I'm not sure which guy he was throwing it to. I'm not sure if he was throwing it to the outside guy who actually intercepted it. I don't think so. My understanding of that play is he was trying to throw the running back fade down the sideline there.


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[Assistant] Because it's his first action and he had pressure on him.


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[Assistant] You know, he's, the game's moving fast. Everybody hears that every now and then, right? The game needs to slow down. I bet you the game was like chaos to him last night. It was a mosh pit, like a concert, where...


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[Assistant] I mean that throw was in no man's land, uh, so that's like discouraging. That tells me he wasn't seeing the field real well and wasn't even comfortable in the pocket.


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[Assistant] Another throw, a little later on. Could've, should've been a pick six, right? Right in the guy's breadbasket.


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[Assistant] Again, just another instance where I went, man, I mean, the guy clearly had the leverage on the receiver. I don't know what you could have saw there to make you think you were gonna get that in there. Plus, he had the guy who was running the corner route over the top of it and a man-to-man coverage. If he throws the ball out towards the sidelines, he's probably gonna get a police in there. So, just little instances I say, he's not seeing things clearly.