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[Assistant] The, uh, so we had the Chargers, the Colts, the Bengals and the Dolphins advancing. Sort of a kind of interesting like contrast in the, like the vibe on each side. Like the NFC is very like, like sort of like, you know, the dark, the, the Niners and Saints is that gold, like dark gold. Yeah. And then like the, and then like a little more sort of, uh, um, I don't know if it's like light, light colored on the, like sort of like,


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[Assistant] And it's, it's a, it's a, it's a very nice looking


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[Assistant] Like battle between these, you know, between these two teams. Like it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a very sharp, uhm, lot of gold.


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[Assistant] 49ers can do so much with like the red and the gold and the black across the board. I think I lean towards the 49ers. Uhm, but I do like the Saints jerseys.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, Packers and Eagles, green versus green. I think you could probably argue that it's like, do you prefer the more traditional? Uhm, I think, uh, I think.


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[Assistant] So classy. Just like, I mean, so, so classy. I do think that the Kelly Green factor


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[Assistant] I mean Packers 49ers would be a pretty straightforward, traditional NFC final matchup. Uhm, okay. On the AFC side of things, Chargers and Colts?


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[Assistant] Uh, cults, I like what the cults do, I like the clean classic stuff, but again, like, the chargers are...


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[Assistant] The guy with the Chargers can make the playoffs, make a deep playoff run in something or something. Uhm, okay, Bengals and Dolphins.


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[Assistant] Uh, so you can, you can go first here. You said you were two very dirty uniforms in all of sports.


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[Assistant] I'll go Dolphins, I'm sorry Breach, I'm going Dolphins. The more I like look at this Dolphins jersey, the more I'm with you. And it's like, I think too, when I watch them, I think about watching a Bengals game.


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[Assistant] And even with like Jamar Chase doing something awesome and exciting, I don't know that like the uniform necessarily pops, but when I like watching Devin Achein like rip off a freaking like long run in those, in a dolphin jersey is just a delight to see. So I'll go Dolphins.


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[Assistant] So that actually works out well for you, Breach. You get to maintain your homerism, but you realize that the reality is the Dolphins probably should have been. So our final four, 49ers versus Eagles.


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[Assistant] This is, uh, this is tough. It's funny because it's like one is an industry champ, one is like an actual industry championship game from the last few years and one is like a fictitious thing that will never happen because industry teams can't win anything. Uhm, the, uh, I'm gonna go 49ers. I tend to lean towards red a little bit more. I love the color green. I love all the stuff the Eagles can do.


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[Assistant] I just think the, I like the 49ers a little bit more, although the, if you guys both go Eagles, I got no problem with it. Cause like, if we get powder blue, powder blue versus Kelly green in the finals, like that's very enticing.


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[Assistant] I am kind of like, regretting the idea that we won't, like, if you pick the 49ers, I'm gonna feel bad we don't get Kelly Green versus Powder Blue.


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[Assistant] So we have the Eagles advancing, I'm actually glad that you won the Eagles breach. And now we have the Chargers vs. Dolphins, uh, producer Harry in a last minute Hail Mary attempt to get, to push the Dolphins through to the championship, uh, has pointed out that it will be a rematch of the championship game, the Super Bowl in


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[Assistant] Well it's just, no, but it's just like crazy that back in the day a movie like Ace Ventura Pet Detective was able to like shell out whatever it cost to get the licensing rights from the NFLPA.


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[Assistant] Well, it's like, it's like, have you heard the story about, like, baseball with Al Michaels and Bob Costas? Where, you know, it's the South Park, the movie, the guy from the South Park, or the guy from South Park and, uhm,


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[Assistant] We get the Chargers against the Eagles in the finals of the pick six podcast. Jersey bracket.


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[Assistant] Running long here, but that's okay. This is, this is worth, this is like, this is like an enthralling conversation. The chargers have, as we mentioned, a lot to work with here.


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[Assistant] You've got the, the, the dark, the, you've got the, the, like, I guess it's navy blue and then you've got the dark blue with the dark blue inside the helmet. It's always referenced several times. You have just the white with the yellow pants. And of course the powder blue, the powder blue just does it for me. I think the Kelly green versus the powder blue.


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[Assistant] But I think those are my two favorite jerseys in the history of the NFL.


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[Assistant] Chargers win it all. We'll be back, uh, tomorrow. We'll be back, uh, Thursday to break down. I mean, that's just, that's just a gorgeous helmet.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Fly chargers fly. LA! Super chargers! And none of those new songs really worked. The super chargers didn't work in that scene.


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[Assistant] I'm good, Breeze. It was so funny because last week we were making light of how we haven't actually worked together on the Pick 6 pod and the first time we met each other was actually in Vegas for Super Bowl and now look at us. Two weeks in a row. Who would have thought it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, highest upside in regards to the edge rushers breach. When you look at him, nobody has a better long arm as far as speed, the power to get to the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's a really good job, just destroying tight ends against the run. There'll be times you turn the film on, Breeze, and the defense is in line up and, you know, the offense will try to get the defense off kilter by snapping the ball while the defense is moving around.


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[Assistant] And you see him just decimate a tight end and make a play in the backfield. Uh, we saw the athletic ability at the combine. I want to say he ran somewhere in the four fives. We see the ability to drop in coverage. To me has the highest upside as well.


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[Assistant] You want to give your team or should I give my team where I think he should go?


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[Assistant] I think, and you stated this perfectly, Breeze, when you look at all the defensive players, there's probably only going to be one, maybe two go in the top ten, I think.


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[Assistant] At pick number eight, the Atlanta Falcons make the most sense for Dallas, uh, Turner. When you look at what Arnold Epikety did last year and him having a, you know, a second year growth in his development, playing really well. And then Grady Jarrett and David Ayumada inside.


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[Assistant] Raheem Morris, defensive mighty coach, needs a guy like Dallas Turner to really build this defense around. Like this was a defense that was a top 10 defense for most of the season out towards the back end of the season, kind of sloughed off and I think they ended up finishing somewhere in the teens.


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[Assistant] But you talk about Jesse Bates at, at the, you know, the safety position. Talk about Terrell, AJ Terrell at the cornerback position. You need you another edge guy to really solidify this defense thing. Dallas Turner to the Falcons makes too much sense.


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[Assistant] And training for him. I know a lot of people, you know, kind of scruffed and gruffed at that trade, giving up a second round pick. And I stated it firmly on, you know, spotlight. I said, when you trade a guy for a second round pick, you're going to be doing future business with him. And boy, did they do future business with Montez Suet, signing him into the extension. But as what he did, the mindset that he brought over,


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[Assistant] With that Chicago Bears defense, right? This was a defense that was really good against the run. They were number one against the run last year in run defense. And this was a team when he got there, it kind of transcended on defense, right? Last six weeks of the season, Breeze, they were


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[Assistant] I don't think a number one or former number one pick can say that they were in a better situation than Caleb Williams is going into than the Chicago Bears, right? You got DJ Moore as a true number one. You talked about Kenan Allen being the only one in your deal.


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[Assistant] And they signed Gerald Everett. So I can see them going more 12 personnel as well.


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[Assistant] Right? And then you talk about the offensive line. People are saying, why don't they take offensive tackle? I like Braxton Jones. I think he's a really good young offensive tackle and they took Darnale Wright last year in the first round as well. So when you look on paper, like this is the best scenario, a former or


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[Assistant] We didn't talk about the three backs that they have, but on defense, this team can be led by his defense where he doesn't feel like he needs to be Superman because of how they finished the season. And if they were to add a edge guy at nine, I think it makes a lot of sense just because Matt Eberflug's defensive minded coach, you can take this defense to the next level.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I have him going number nine right after Dallas Turner going eight to the Falcons. I got Jared Verz going nine to the Chicago Bears and it's for everything I just stated, right?


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[Assistant] My test sweat helped transform this defense, right? This is an elite defense. And now you can add a book in on the other side. Who's going to fit in personality-wise perfect with the Chicago Bears and what they want to be. They want to be a tough-nosed, gritty defense. That's exactly what Jared versus.


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[Assistant] Breeze, his whole game starts with power. Like there's, there's games you turn on the film where he doesn't actually sack the quarterback, but he puts the tackle on top of the quarterback. And that's how the quarterback gets sacked. Like his speed, the power is, is, is night and day better than everybody's in this draft.


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[Assistant] But the thing that I really love about him, Breeze, is that he could have came out last year and been probably at middle of the round, first round pick.


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[Assistant] But he came back and honed his game. Like last year was all speed to power, straight bull rush. Now we have some counters off of it. So you could tell the game means something to him.


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[Assistant] And then when you turn on a film, you constantly see him running guys down from behind 20, 30 yards. He plays with extreme effort. And that's another thing that the Chicago Bears defense really does. So to me, the number nine picks should be Jared verse for the Chicago Bears.


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[Assistant] The ceiling's a lot higher for Dallas Turner. I think we kind of know what Jared Verst is going to be in. That's not saying anything bad. It's kind of like Aiden Hutchinson and Trayvon Walker conversation.


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[Assistant] I think the Jaguars, if they could go back, they would take Aiden Hutchinson. One overall, even though he's a guy that's probably going to get eight to 10 sacks every year and maybe not eclipse 15 or 16. But with Dallas Turner, I think the upside is what gives him the edge over Jared verse.


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[Assistant] Yeah, honestly, Breeze, if it wasn't for the medical, if it wasn't even a question mark about the neck, he'd probably be my edge one.


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[Assistant] Because nobody rushes with a game plan better than Laatu Laatu. It's almost like he's a veteran when it comes to pass rushing and getting after the quarterback.


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[Assistant] He kind of reminds me of a jiu-jitsu warrior in regards to how many moves he throws to get to the quarterback, counters after counters after counters. And again, if it's not for the medical, he's probably my edge number one because he's one of those guys, Reese, where I'm not saying


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[Assistant] You can't get better coaching, but he's a guy from day one you can put out there on third down and say go get the quarterback. And there's not much you gotta do. Like just go get the quarterback. Go do what you do.


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[Assistant] He's that type of guy. He has that type of hand usage. And the thing is with that long arm, he does a really good job of knocking tackles and tightens back in the run game. So he's not a liability in the run as well. So.


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[Assistant] I think the biggest thing for him, Breeze, is the medical, right? How do teams feel about the neck, you know, the past neck injury? If they're comfortable with it, I don't think he's falling. He's not going to fall out the first round, but if teams are really comfortable with it, I think it should be a top 15 pick.


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[Assistant] Tampa Bay with the Bucks. They need some edge rush. They took Kalaji Cansey last year on the inside. They'll try on as a god. They've really tried to see what kind of role they can find with them.


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[Assistant] Uh, Yahya Diaby was a rookie outside linebacker that played really well for them last year. I think you need a guy opposite of Diaby and let Joe Tryon be kind of like your swing guy, even though you took him late in the first round. I think a pairing of Yahya Diaby.


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[Assistant] And allowed to, allowed to make a lot of sense for top bowls in that defense.


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[Assistant] And I want to preface this by saying I think I might have done this right before the Stefan Diggs trade. So uhm, the thing about Chuck Robinson, no edge guy has a better first step get off in this draft than him. Uh, freakish athletic. Freak athlete.


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[Assistant] Uh, does a lot of things naturally in regards to bending and being able to bend that edge and get to the quarterback. Needs a lot of help.


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[Assistant] to the bills, but I would not be surprised if the bills now because of the Stefan Dix trade potentially trade up to try to get a guy like Brian Thomas, but they need edge help as well. Cause Ron Miller is getting up there and age, um, struggled last year coming back from the injury. I did resign.


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[Assistant] I think, uh, Appanessa, uh, but still I think they need one more edge guy and I think he fits the mold of what they're trying to do in regards to coming off the edge and getting to the quarterback with the Bills.


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[Assistant] Man, I love Q's game. I got to see him and spend some time with him at the senior bowl this past year. And the thing I love about him, Breeze, is that it seems like he's just never in a panic, right? He's never in a panic. He always matches the receiver step for step. He's always.


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[Assistant] And attack the football and take it away from you. I mean, there was a play versus Brandon, uh, Braden Rice in the, in the senior bowl where you hit him on a post.


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[Assistant] And he got him a little bit, but Queenie Mitchell, you saw the catch up speed. And then not only that, he jumped over top of Brandon Rice. For people that don't understand, Brandon Rice is like 6'2". He jumped over him and took the ball away from him in the end zone. So.


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[Assistant] I just love his game. He's a sure tackler, hell of a competitor. And I think he felt some of that in the senior bowl. People were talking and saying he just played in a Mac. He didn't play. It's good competition. And boy, did he go out there and strap everybody up at the senior bowl and literally is an argument for CB one in this draft class.


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[Assistant] It's all good. Jacksonville, Jacksonville, Jaguars, right? They, they lost Darius Williams. Um, they released him. He went back to LA. He did sign Ronald Darby, right? But I think they could still use one more corner. I think Quinion Mitchell will fit really.


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[Assistant] Nicely and Ryan Nelson's defense and new defensive coordinator in Jacksonville. Uh, I think it makes a lot of sense for him to go to Jacksonville at 17.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's Harry on Arnold and it was funny going into the season, Kool-Aid McKinstry, who I know we'll talk about later.


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[Assistant] Was probably thought of as being the number one corner coming into this year. And all Terry on auto did was continue to put good film out play after play, uh, tenacity from the, you know, the slot position or outside. That's the thing about him gives you that position flexibility where he can start at slot corner or he can start.


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[Assistant] On the outside as well. He's comfortable in man bumping around, but he's also comfortable in off man and has a really good fill in zone coverage. And the thing that I like about him, Breeze is he's not afraid to tackle. He'll come up and hit you. So.


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[Assistant] I have him going to the Colts at 15. I had him going a little bit higher than Quinion just because of the position flexibility and the ability to play on the inside and inside, inside or outside. But you're not wrong if you go with either one of these two guys, they're both going to be studs at the next level.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so Kool-Aid to me is 22 tape was better than 23. Uh, he gives you the return man ability as well. He's a really good punt returner. Uh, he's more of a bump and run corner, right? He's comfortable in man coverage. Now he does have high football IQ. He understands route concepts really well.


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[Assistant] The thing that gives me pause is just in that Texas game, A.D. Mitchell, and it wasn't just him, he gave Terion Arnold issues too in that game as well. People were wondering about his foot speed, but he did go out there and run a 4-4-6, I believe, in the 40s, so that will quell any questions.


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[Assistant] On tape sometimes you wonder about his foot speed, right? So I actually got him going to the Arizona Cardinals late in the first round and pairing him with Sean Murphy Bunting who they signed in free agency. That's my spot for Kool-Aid McKinstry.


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[Assistant] As well, because that's something that you have to keep your mind on. Like if the impressive situations, is he going to falter? I just think there's a lot of attributes to look at. Also was this guy looking at the news clippings from the year before? Cause that's a real thing with young guys in regards to looking at the news clippings.


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[Assistant] And thinking they're better than what they truly are and they're not actually focusing and honing in on the fundamentals and their, you know, of the game and their actual position. So that could be a real thing as well. So.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I just think there was a, you gotta couple all that into that when it comes to Kool-Aid McKinstry, but I think he still put up pretty good tape. It just wasn't as good as 22.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you look at Nick Wiggins, I think going into this process, a lot of people had him as one of the top corners. He's a burner. That's the one thing you see about him, like,


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[Assistant] Even if he's beat, he has the catch up speed, the elite catch up speed, the catch up.


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[Assistant] I have him slated going to the Pats at the top of the second round, right? You pair him with Christian Gonzalez. Got a nice pairing at corner.


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[Assistant] I mean, he can play every position in the secondary. We talked about position flexibility with Terry Onano.


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[Assistant] Cooper DeGene can literally play the slot corner, he can play outside corner, and he can play at the safety position. And he is one of the best return men in all of college football. So, when you look at his skillset, he's comfortable in man, bump and run, he's comfortable in zone coverage. I think his position flexibility helps him in doing his job.


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[Assistant] The team I have him going to is the Philadelphia Eagles just because they can line them up all over the place. And one area besides corner where they struggled out last year is more specifically in the slot.


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[Assistant] I think Cooper DeGene can help from day one and it can also help you be the third safety if you need them to be in certain packages.


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[Assistant] As well as, again, and also be a return man when you really need him back there at punt return to go make an electrifying play. So Cooper DeGene to me, to the Eagles makes sense. You got to think about it, right? Big playstay getting up there in age. So it's James Bradbury.


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[Assistant] So Cooper DeGene comes in this year, plays a slack corner and then transitions to outside to be your number one quarter after this year or even the following year.


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[Assistant] Brief hands down, my favorite player in this draft. It's rare.


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[Assistant] It's rare that you find a corner be the tone setter on your defense. That's exactly what Ennis Rake's draw is. I mean, just turn on the Georgia tape.


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[Assistant] He took on a pulling tackle, knocked him back and made a play on the quarterback in the backfield, right? At corner, that's what he does. When he hits you, you feel it, right?


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[Assistant] Really aggressive in man coverage and then also the flexibility to play in the slot, which is where I think he'll start in his career with the ability to move outside. Does a really good job staying square, right? And then also being in phase, but also does a really good job of attacking the ball in the air. Now he only had one interception in college.


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[Assistant] But had multiple PBU seasons. So that's a guy that I really like. Like I said, he's my favorite player in this draft. I think the Packers at 25 make a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I think they have Stokes too, so like, he'll be able to start in the slot right away.


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[Assistant] Breeze, the only reason why Edwin Cooper isn't going in the first round is because of position, uh, positional value. Right? He's a first round talent. And...


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[Assistant] So much so that I took him as the first pick in the second round.


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[Assistant] Texas A&M field. He was clearly the best player on that field. And that's saying something when you're going to have multiple first round picks, right? J.C. Latham, Terion Otto, Kool-Aid McKinstry, right? All those guys are most likely going in the first.


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[Assistant] Was the best player on the field that day. Like, when he hits you, you go backwards, you don't go forward, right? And then his ability to blitz is underrated. His ability in zone coverage is really good. I think he ran a 4-5-1 at the combine. No linebacker diagnoses and gets downhill quicker than Edren Cooper.


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[Assistant] To me, that would be a homerun pick for the Dallas Cowboys. He's not going to last to their second round pick. That's why I took him at the first pick of the second round for the Panthers because they lost Frankie Louvue this offseason and we know Shaq Thompson is coming off an injury, but he will be there. So I think Edwin, Edwin Cooper to the Carolina Panthers makes a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] I just, no, just because of positional value, I don't think people in regards to the value of, you know, off-ball linebackers, I don't think there's any way he's going to go, you know, at the end of the first round. But the play on the tape is deserving of first round.


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[Assistant] Freak athlete, think he ran a 4-4-3 at the combine, tackling machine. Would like to see him be more physical with that, that big long body that I didn't see constantly on film. A lot of times running around blocks.


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[Assistant] That's why I haven't slated going to the Cowboys in the second round, but also I think there's an injury history that has some teams concerned.


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[Assistant] As well, and he's an older players played a lot of college football already as well. But as far as a guy that could play will backer for you, chase plays down from behind. Also really good in zone coverage. I think Peyton Wilson is your guy. I think he goes, you know, probably middle late second round. That's why I have him slated to go to the Cowboys.


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[Assistant] Differ, Rick Spielman, I'm talking about. Uhm, he's higher on, you know, Jeremiah Trotter than I am.


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[Assistant] Not as high on him. I think he's a kind of a mix of an old school linebacker, more first second down guy. Uhm, there's times on tape, you know, when he has to cover the back out of the backfield where he struggles real handsy, get a couple DPI's and I didn't constantly or consistently see him


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[Assistant] Be as physical as I would have liked him to be, right? So I think I marked him going to the Chargers either.


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[Assistant] I wanna say maybe even the third round, uhm, I think it makes a lot of sense for him to go to the Chargers. In the third round, they lost Eric Kendricks. Uh, he could be potentially maybe, uhm, uh, a replacement for him. And not only that, they lost Murray as well in free agency. So I think there's a major need right there.


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[Assistant] The funny thing is I like having debates with Rick. I was big on Kobe Turner. He wasn't. We saw what happened with that. Right? But this year when we did, you know, with the first pick pod and we did Edge and D-line and linebackers,


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[Assistant] We didn't argue as much this year. That was the only one where we kinda didn't see eye to eye was on, you know, uh, you know, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. That was the only time we didn't see eye to eye.


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[Assistant] The best natural pass rusher in this draft, Edge or D-Tackle. Uhm, plays with great leverage. Love his tape.


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[Assistant] There's times when you see on Tate Breeze where he's the zero technique and for people that don't know what that means, he's head up on the center, right?


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[Assistant] Tech, the Texas team had Tavondre Sweat, who I know I think we're going to talk about later, who was 362. That just lets you know the mentality of, you know, what Byron Murphy brings and the leverage that he plays with the Alabama game. I remember there was a scoop block, essentially a double team with the center and guard.


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[Assistant] Breeze, he's so athletic and flexible that he was able to get up under both of the guys, drop a knee to the ground, split the double team and make a play on the running back in the backfield. And I'll talk about his natural.


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[Assistant] His feet never stop when he's rushing the quarterback. He gets you with an arsenal of moves and he's always working towards the quarterback. You never see him being stuck at the line of scrimmage and it's rare.


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[Assistant] That any teams single block him cause you can't single block him. He's that explosive off the line of scrimmage. So he's my number one D tackle. I think in the mock, if I'm not mistaken.


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[Assistant] I had him going to the Rams. Wow, surprise, right? They lose Aaron Donnell. And they get another guy that can be a foundational piece on that defensive line. And you pair him with Kobe Turner? I mean Sean McVay has to be licking his chops.


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[Assistant] If Byron Murphy slips past 16 with the Seattle Seahawks and he slips past Seattle and is there for him at 19, he's probably going to run that card in.


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[Assistant] Two totally different skill sets. I just think that they fed off each other really well. I just think there's night and day.


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[Assistant] Uh, between Byron Murphy and Tevandre Sweat. And then also when you look at Sweat, he's more of an old school type player. We kind of talked about Jeremiah Trotter in that way, where with Sweat, you're probably only going to get first and second down. Now he has been able to push the pocket a little bit, but he's not a pass rusher, right? And he's 360 pounds. So you also worry how many plays can he play in a row before he's gassed?


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[Assistant] Like that's a real concern. So, uh, I just think they had two totally different skillsets, Breeze. I don't think one benefited more from playing with the other.


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[Assistant] And you stated it perfect, Brice, one big. That's how I look at it, right? Like, I went back and forth, I was having this discussion with R. Ryan Wilson the other day, and you know, I broke down Byron Murphy, you know, earlier in the process. I looked at him a little bit later, but I just really rewatched Johnny Newton's tape again. I'm like,


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[Assistant] Dang, am I sure Byward Murphy's number one, but I am sure. I think the difference is when you're talking about


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[Assistant] The leverage that Byron Murphy can play with against the run. I think it supersedes what Johnny Newton can do. Sometimes you'll see Johnny Newton get engulfed by offensive lineman, but nobody rushes with a


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[Assistant] We kind of talked about lot to lot to in that manner earlier in the show in regards to always having a plan, right? Johnny Newton, the same thing. He never just rushes and runs down the middle of somebody. He always has a plan.


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[Assistant] That's a really good job with swipes, clubs to win against, uh, quarterbacks. I mean, you also see him win with power as well. So, um, I slated him going.


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[Assistant] Another surprise going to the Miami Dolphins, they lost Christian Wilkins, right? Why not replace Christian Wilkins with a guy to me who's actually a better rusher than Christian Wilkins, but you can use in a multitude of ways as well. And he's not going to be a liability against the run. He does a really good job of knocking guys back as a penetrating three technique.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think his sweet spot is early second round, right? Uh, this is a high motor guy. The motor never stops. One of the best.


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[Assistant] Past Russian defensive tackles in this draft as well. And people questioned his arm length going into it. But the thing is, his mindset is,


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[Assistant] I know I have to be quicker off the snap than the offensive line. Cause if I get into him before he gets into me, I can win the rep. And that's how, when you look at it on film, that's what it looks like when you look at the Florida game, when you look at the Louisville game.


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[Assistant] Where he takes over. I mean his get off is crazy. And I was talking to Ryan Wilson about him going into the senior bowl week because


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of people probably had him as a, you know, fourth round pick, maybe chance late third. I told Ryan, I said, that's my D tackle three. I said, you need to pay attention to this dude. And sure enough, after the senior bowl, I'd already seen it on tape, but after the senior bowl, there was no more questions. He was D tackle three after that. And then,


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[Assistant] So double down on that, Breeze. He went and literally destroyed the combine, right? So now you're talking about, could he go in the top 10 of the second round? Which I have him going to the Houston, Texas. They lost Nico Collins. Supposedly they were in the running for Eric Armstead, didn't get him. Why not replace him with a guy like Brayden Fiss who fits exactly.


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[Assistant] Exactly what my god D'Amico Rhynes wants to do with the Houston Texans in that defensive line. They want to come at you at waves. They got the Neil Hunter. They did lose Jonathan Grenard, but they signed the Neil Hunter. Imagine adding Braden Fisk, the Neil Hunter, and having Will Anderson on that defensive line. And they got the Nico Ochery as well. Woo! That's a front four from hell.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we talked about Kobe Turner earlier, right? Kind of undersized the tackle pass rush ability. Michael Hall fits in that same manner. And, uh, that was the argument with Rick last year. Like he didn't realize the way the league is changing. There's a place for designated pass rushers.


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[Assistant] In the interior defensive line. Also, we've also seen an influx, Breeze, of defensive tackles getting paid like their counterparts.


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[Assistant] On the edge, when you talk about guys like Quentin Williams getting paid, Ed Oliver getting paid, right? The 2D tackles with the Washington commanders, Chris Jones. Like if you can affect the quarterback, there's a role for you on the team. I think Michael Hall to the Cincinnati Bengals, we could have projected Byron Murphy potentially going there, but why not send Michael Hall, one of the best first step get offs in this draft?


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[Assistant] Three technique that can penetrate. Pair him with a guy like BJ Hale and Sheldon Reagan's who you just signed on a one year deal. I think it makes a lot of sense to send him to Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, I think it will drop his draft stock, because supposedly, just talking to a few people, that was the question mark about him, some of his-


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[Assistant] I hate putting rumors out there, but usually it's not a really good look when you get pulled over and get a DWI two weeks before the draft because you're technically still in the process, Bryce, right? Teams could still potentially work you out in private workouts and for you to get a DUI this close to the draft when, you know, this is going to be probably one of the most important


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[Assistant] Moments in your life, I think teams are gonna look at that. I think it may drop him to the fourth round. So I've mocked him to the fourth round to the Seattle Seahawks. They did repay.


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[Assistant] And sign Leonard Williams to an extension. They have Draymond Jones as a guy that can play inside and outside. I think they could use a run stuffing guy. They've always had a guy like Red Brian or Al Woods. I think Dray, I mean, Roger Sweat could be that guy for them. They had Puna Ford for a lot of years as well. I think it makes a lot of sense to have a guy even


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[Assistant] Even though now McDonald's going over there, let's not forget he had a guy that was similar to him and Michael Pierce at the Baltimore Raven. So it's a Vondre Sweat to the Seattle Seahawks is where I mocked him in the fourth round.


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[Assistant] I think a team that makes a lot of sense to me, and he's probably the best ballhawking safety, he just hasn't act for fa- you know, to find the ball. And Maurice, one thing you'll find out about this safety group, there's a lot of guys that can play in the box.


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[Assistant] A couple guys that can play half field safety, but there's only a few that can play both and Tyler Nubin is one of those guys that could be in the end of box safety or he could be a half field safety as well. So when I look at him.


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[Assistant] To me, the commanders make a lot of sense now. I know they did sign Jeremy Chen, who I think Dan Quinn will use kind of like as a weapon X, just like he's probably going to use Frankie Louvoo as a weapon X. And we know he likes to have smaller linebackers, so could Chen even potentially move to the linebacking position?


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[Assistant] You lost cam curl in free agency. I think Tyler Newman makes a lot of sense for the commanders, uh, in the second round early in the second round. I believe they have two second round picks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you look at Javon Bullard, I talked about guys that can play, you know, middle field, or, you know, in the box safety. I think he's more of an in the box safety, but the thing is,


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[Assistant] His mentality will make up for the lack of athletic ability when I talk about his overall speed.


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[Assistant] And reasons why he could potentially play half field safety for you as well, or maybe even slot corner. He's a guy that can play in the boss, can play over the tight ends. He understands route concepts. He understands how offenses are trying to attack him. And it's that mentality that he has.


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[Assistant] Helps him in regards to catching up with the lack of foot speed that he has. I think pairing him with a guy like Jesse Bates with the Falcons makes too much sense.


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[Assistant] I got, I went to Georgia, so, you know, not too far down the road as well. Uh, he's, he could be the in the box guy for the Atlanta Falcons while Jesse Bates roams the middle of the field and does what he does as one of the best ball hocking safeties. Thinks of Vaughn Bullard.


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[Assistant] Makes a lot of sense to me Atlanta Falcons in the second round.


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[Assistant] Tennessee Titans could potentially look for a safety position. I think in the third round, the Jets, it's a underrated need for them. And to me, Breeze, it's not even underrated because when you look at their roster currently constructed,


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[Assistant] Right, they lost Whitehead, he went back to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Ashton Davis, who was at Third Safety, is still a free agent right now. If you look at the roster right now, they only have Chuck Clark, who's coming off a major knee injury, and Tony Adams. So a guy that I really like, and I've mocked at him, Cole Bishop.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the third round from Utah, makes a lot of sense. Love the way that he plays, plays with a lot of effort. He's a guy that's more of an in the box safety guy, but has the athletic ability that if you need him to play half field safety, he can, right? Does a really good job in zone coverage, especially in the flat and down the seam.


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[Assistant] And the thing that I love about him, he's a sure tackler, Breeze. Like he's, you rarely see him miss any tackles and an underrated part of his game.


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[Assistant] Is blitzing. He can get to the quarterback and Jeff Albrecht is known to either send a slot corner or a safety from time to time to get after the quarterback when he decides to blitz. Doesn't have to do it a lot because they have a really good defensive line, but when he wants to switch it up, I think Cole Bishop with that skill set.


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[Assistant] It's an underrated guy that I think could go in the third round to the Jets.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I'm at the senior bowl, really efficient kicker. Uh, to me, even though the Pats took a kicker last year, Chad Ryland, who only, you know, converted 64% of his field goals, I think you bring in some competition and I'm not sure if Rykar would actually get drafted, but as a free agent, if I'm him,


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[Assistant] I'm eyeing that spot just because the kicker isn't kicking with a lot of confidence right now. And people always say this, right? You don't know how important a kicker is until you need them. To me, the kicker position is probably the second highest pressure position on the field.


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[Assistant] Right, because again, you don't know how badly you need a kicker until the game is on the line and you need him to go out there and make that field goal to win. So I think, you know, right guard to the pass via, you know, undrafted free agent or maybe even the seventh round makes a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] Oh, Nick Fo was, Nick Fo was my guy when I was here with the Jets. Like that was my guy. I talked to him all the time.


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[Assistant] Everywhere else I've been, you know, as far as the kicker, love and respect for them, teammate. Hey, just do your job when we need you, bro. Cause a lot of times when we over there running through practice, y'all over there on the opposite field, just chilling or you know, you're playing ping pong. So as long as you do your job, I'm not tripping, but yeah, when I was here, Nick Fulton was my guy.


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[Assistant] Nah, I think you handled it beautifully, Breeze. Down to the, the pick and even potentially, you know, the pats because they took somebody in the drive, not wanting to get burned again and taking somebody as an undrafted free agent.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's crazy. I see you guys. I envy this show. I'm thinking I want to talk with the NFL guys instead of Brinson every week. Uh, and here I am finally getting my wish. And as you said, yep, we had never met until, uh, the super bowl in Vegas and it was brief. It only did one thing together the whole week, but we did it and now we're doing a show together.


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[Assistant] What all 32 teams still kind of need to do a move they still need to make. Uh, but we're not going to do all 32 teams today. We are only going to do the NFC and, uh, we're going to start off with your least favorite division, the NFC West. I don't have to mention your least favorite division.


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[Assistant] And let's go straight to the defending NFC champion, San Francisco 49ers, very talented roster. Obviously they made it to the Superbowl, uh, but they still fell short. So dude, what do you think this team still needs to do, uh, to kind of give over the hump?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I definitely agree with you. You mentioned the Superlods. They are plus 500 right now, which is, uh, they have the, they're the favorite. They are the favorite.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it seems like now's the time to get good value for Patrick Mahomes since they're second at plus 650 and it's just how many, how many Super Bowls in a row does Patrick Mahomes have to win before they label him the favorite?


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[Assistant] That's what it feels like. They want them to throw their money away on the 49ers. And you know, the IUC stuff is interesting because we kind of saw it.


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[Assistant] That is, uh, one thing they need to get taken care of. And you mentioned the tackle situation, specifically right tackle. That is where you gotta get fixed. Cause we all know they have one of the best left tackles of football in Trent Williams.


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[Assistant] And, you know, if you're the 49ers, that probably is the advantage of picking solo, uh, in, in the draft, having the 31st pick is that you could find a right tackle there or as you mentioned corner. So yeah, it does seem like.


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[Assistant] Tackle corner, uh, are there two needs, but they can fix them in the draft. So let's go on.


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[Assistant] To the Los Angeles Rams. We all know what happened with them this off season. One of the craziest, just out of nowhere, Aaron Donald announces his retirement. So it feels like maybe something along the defensive line could be their biggest remaining need. What do you think it is?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and absolutely they need to do something there. You mentioned Kobe Turner. I think that look, Puka Nakua is probably kind of the rookie that stole the show that everyone heard about in LA, but just Kobe, Kobe Turner had such a great year and kind of got overshadowed because Puka.


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[Assistant] Played so well, but yeah, they've gotta do something with the pass rush. And you know, the weird thing though is, and you mentioned Byron Murphy, they actually have a chance to get him because for the first time in Sean McBae's career, he has a first round pick. He's never had.


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[Assistant] Uh, Johnny Newton, which I only know because I did my bangles mock draft this week and was looking at maybe some of the top defense to tackle prospects. So yeah, definitely. I do think, uh, that it really is that defensive front right there that they need to approve on, but they have a pretty solid roster. Don't you think?


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[Assistant] Let's move on to the Seattle Seahawks. They got rid of their coach. Uh, they barely missed the playoffs. They went nine and eight tied for the final playoff spot, but lost out on tiebreaker. The Packers didn't get in.


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[Assistant] Uh, we've seen them get rid of their starting safeties. What do you think their biggest need? Is it out in the secondary? Is it somewhere else? Where are you going to?


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[Assistant] I mean, that seems like a classic Seahawks move where they're just trying to get as many picks as possible. They love piling up the picks. And it's funny that hiring kind of a defensive minded head coach, how many defensive moves they've made this off season. I mean, not just in the back gap, but we saw them, uh, they resigned Leonard Williams, Jonathan Hankins, uh, they're just,


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[Assistant] So many McDonald really focused on the defense. I think one of the things you mentioned early was the offensive line situation. There's question marks at guard. And so maybe you're picking 16th overall. That feels too early to take a guard. Kind of like you, what you were talking about with safety positional value where teams kind of hesitate to take a guard that early. So maybe they trade back.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to get a guard there, uh, but it does feel like guard, secondary, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and since they picked 16th overall, they probably wouldn't feel like they're reaching.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, and then of course we have to talk about the team that, uh, doesn't ever get any love because they've been so bad over the past couple years.


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[Assistant] I, dude, I don't know what this team is doing anymore. It's the Arizona Cardinals. What, what is it? Everything is a need. What's their main need?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's kind of crazy to think that they have so many holes and that, look, Marvin Harrison Jr. seems like an obvious pick, an easy pick.


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[Assistant] But you also have to consider that, hey, look, we have so many holes. Maybe we trade back to six or seven. We try and get Malik neighbors or.


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[Assistant] Another one of these top three receivers and just add some picks because if you could add another first round pick, if the Vikings call up and they're desperate and they say, Hey, we'll give you our 23rd pick and our 11th pick to move up to four. I mean, you have to consider it because you have so many holes. Like you said, but what were they thinking? They just gave away Rondo more to the Falcons for a backup. What are they doing dudes? I want to know like.


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[Assistant] And that could just be a situation where the Cardinals just don't know what they're doing. Cause you look at Hollywood Brown, he had I think a thousand yard season during his final year with the Ravens. He gets to Arizona and he doesn't do nothing. He had a couple, both seasons went over 500 yards, but he definitely didn't have the production that he had in Baltimore. So it could just be the Cardinals just don't know what they're doing on offense. Um,


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[Assistant] Alright dudes, it's fitting that they are America's team because I think America is trying to figure out what this team is doing in pre-agency. Uh, it has been just nothing. It's been essentially nothing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're all in. They're Jerry. Jerry says they're all in. They're all in. So you're looking at this team who is apparently all in. What, what is their next move? They haven't even really made a move. What's their next move?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is crazy and it does seem like reading Jerry's body language and kind of his, uh, comments that it's not exactly a vote of confidence for Dak Prescott that, hey, look,


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[Assistant] We're going to slow down, not really talk about a new contract right now. And you know, if you're Dak Prescott, I don't see how this works out well for Jerry because if the Cowboys are bad this season, then you don't re you don't give Dak a new contract. You move on, you take a huge dead cap hit in 2025 and you have to find a new quarterback.


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[Assistant] If Dak leads you to the Super Bowl, then you're going to be paying him $70 million a year because you were too dumb to give him an extension right now. So like there's no upside really to letting him play the contract out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know what's funny is that every hole you mentioned is on offense, and guess who's gonna have to make that offense look good despite all those holes?


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[Assistant] It's crazy. I mean, it's, you're putting so much pressure on him. Be like, okay, well, we're not going to give you a third wide receiver. Brandon Cooks is kind of old CD lambs, obviously a legit number one, but you don't have a lot of depth there. And as you said, maybe Tyler Smith is the left tackle, but probably better at guard. So you've got a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I don't think anyone knows what Jerry Jones is doing. I don't think he knows what he's doing. And maybe that's why they haven't been to a conference title game since 1995, where you know who has been to a conference title game since 1995.


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[Assistant] Philadelphia Eagles. Look, we talked about Aaron Donald's retirement a little bit earlier with the Rams. Eagles have also been hit by a couple of retirements. Jason Kelsey, Fletcher Cox.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it does seem like at least the secondary, which is the first one you mentioned, has been an issue for them.


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[Assistant] Nothing will work. It's cursed. They can't make anything. Uh, you know, we'll see if CJ Gardner Johnson will help out there. And as you said, when you have guys like Darius Lane, James Bradberry, you expect them to form at a certain level. And when they don't kind of leads you stuck between a rock and a hard place because you're thinking, well, we need to bring in someone else.


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[Assistant] But then you're also hoping these guys will re-up and play at the level they were playing at a few years ago. So yeah, I do think it will be interesting to see.


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[Assistant] Man, this team, a lot of issues last season. The owner calling out Brian Davel at the owner's meeting. I mean, everything's going on. We don't know what's up with Daniel Jones. What's this team's biggest need?


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[Assistant] Yeah. And you know, you mentioned the defensive front. It's, it's kind of scary how good this defensive front could be this year. Not that the John's going to win the Superbowl, but they're kind of marketing back to the 20, 2017, the 2011 team where we're going to let our pass rush kind of lead our team. But you know, the thing I think.


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[Assistant] The craziest part of this is that I absolutely agree that the number one receiver feels like a huge hole and


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[Assistant] In a position to succeed necessarily. So I think I would ask you, you have the sixth overall pick. Would you be looking to take a quarterback or would you say, you know what, why don't we try and get this number one receiver and then see what this offense can do when we actually have a top talent at that position?


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[Assistant] All right. We're going from a team that might take a quarterback in the first round to a team that will definitely be taking a quarterback in the first round. And that is the Washington commanders. They have had a busy off season. They fired their coach. They hired Dan Quinn. I think they've signed more players than anyone else.


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[Assistant] Every time I woke up for the past two weeks or since free agent started, it was the commander signed a new player. And it's just like, how are there any players left to sign? They have everyone. It's over. You can stop signing people Washington. Uh, so considering the fact that they signed 20 new players, uh, what do you think is still left as their biggest need?


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[Assistant] You know, you mentioning these moves that you like, I'm not going to say the commanders are going to make the playoffs this season, but it really feels like what the Texans did last offseason.


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[Assistant] Something I want to see on defense, whether it's Cleveland Farrell or Dante Fowler, Bobby Wagner, I think could play well for them. So yeah. And like you said, quarterback is the obvious one. Uh, who do you think they're going to end up taking?


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[Assistant] I think that most people will agree that Caleb Williams is probably the most polished quarterback in the draft. You think Jayden Daniels has the highest ceiling?


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[Assistant] All right. That is the end of our NFC East breakdown. We're going to take a break. And when we come back,


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[Assistant] We are going to finish up the final two divisions in the NFC.


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[Assistant] Always fun to talk about. It is the NFC South. Look, we saw the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh, they literally just went to everyone who was up for a contract extension, said, re-sign, re-sign, re-sign. Thanks for getting in line. Bye guys. So we know they have a lot of last year's roster coming back. What else do you think they need to do right now? What's their biggest need?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is weird that you're away Carlton Davis, and I think they signed Amique Robertson, uh, you know, who's a spot starter for the Raiders, played a lot.


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[Assistant] Davis. Carlton Davis to the line. No, I was looking at who he was paired with.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, but with, with the Buccaneers, they definitely need edge help when you're, uh, you let Jack Barrett, Walker Free Agency, Devin White, and obviously we saw Devin White has been all over the place. He had a couple years where he looked great, didn't look so good last year, but I feel like the good news, if you're going to have two weaknesses in the NFC South, maybe pass rushing and corner aren't so bad, because it's not like you have


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[Assistant] And of course, Derek Carr still seems like he's learning the ropes of the Saints offense. So yeah, I definitely agree with you. Those are the two biggest needs, but you know, if you're playing in the AFC West and those are the two biggest or you're going against Lamar Jackson, Joe burrow, Josh Allen, if you're in the AFC, those are two rough needs when the MC South.


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[Assistant] Yeah, every year. They just keep kicking the can ahead. Uh, but they did manage to sign Chase Young. That's about all they've done. What do you think their biggest remaining need is?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's really crazy, the Ryan Ramchak stuff, because it kind of came out of nowhere that, you know, dealing with a neat thing, but to...


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[Assistant] Uh, they're picking 14th overall and they're in a, it's a very deep draft when it comes to tackles.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know, it's funny because you mentioned receiver and offensive tackle. You have Derek Carr. This is what makes me iffy on the Saints is that look, Derek Carr is not good under pressure. And if he doesn't have receivers to throw to, how can you trust him to run that offense?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, or do what the, the Rams kind of did that. They said, Hey, we're going to take these huge dead cap hits. We'll hope the rookies can carry us. And rookies did carry him. That's what you have to do. You got to just say, you know what? We're going to survive with our rookie class one year. All right, let's move to.


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[Assistant] The Atlanta Falcons. What a wild offseason they have had. Uh, they have a new quarterback. I'm sure you heard about that. His name is Tom Cousins.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's really interesting to me that they haven't really done anything on defense. Obviously you mentioned Kirk Cousins, Darnell Mooney, Rondell Moore, Ray Ray McCloud. So they've added receivers, they added a quarterback, they signed a tight end.


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[Assistant] Uh, Charlie Warner, and then you have obviously Kyle Pitch, Drake London, you mentioned London.


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[Assistant] So you have all these offensive weapons and you have this defensive coach who just didn't really say, hey, we're going to go out and get these studs. And I feel like it's hard to be a defensive minded head coach when you don't have a good pass rush. And it doesn't seem like the Falcons have that right now. So you think that would be the obvious thing they do at number eight?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's the thing. And adding offensive weapons can help the defense because you're not going three and out all the time. The defense is actually getting some rest.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think just the fact that the Brian Bernstrade came so early kind of left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. As you said,


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[Assistant] Princeton did a pretty good job of selling on why it has been a decent offseason for them so far. And you mentioned the guard signings. Robert Hunt got the $100 million contract. Woo! Goodness gracious. And those, you can't have, and the other one was Davian Lewis, you can't have those two blow up in your face. So you, Bryce Eon can't be on his back every play when you're spending $150 million.


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[Assistant] Uh, on your guys. I do think they probably could use some tight end help, and I know you mentioned-


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[Assistant] You think they did enough to contend for the vision or do you think...


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[Assistant] Dudes, are you telling me you are not going to sprinkle any money on Carolina to win the Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] All right. Well, we'll go to a team that maybe you will sprinkle some money on to win the Superbowl. And that is cause we are headed to the NFC North and the D Troy lions. It has been an interesting off season. They've made some big moves. We mentioned the


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[Assistant] Carlton Davis trade earlier. Uh, they got DJ Reader from Cincinnati. I thought that was a huge signing. What do you think their biggest need is left?


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[Assistant] Yeah, with that 29th overall pick. And you know, the interesting thing about corner is that look, they made the trade for Carlton Davis. They signed Amique Robertson. They made both those moves before the Cam Sutton stuff happened. So they already knew they needed corners and now they're back down the corner from what they originally planned.


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[Assistant] So it's like, okay, we're back at square one. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a corner in the first round just because of how that all played out. But I do agree with you. I do think, uh, edge makes sense, but I would not be surprised if, you know,


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[Assistant] It's always that quarterback. It's unbelievable. They do need someone to protect their quarterback though. We saw David Becchiari not returning to Green Bay. He had been there forever.


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[Assistant] So is that their biggest need? Is the offensive line or do you think it's somewhere else?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it does feel like they're in a good spot too with the 25th overall pick. And I definitely agree with linebacker because they really, if you look at their inside linebackers,


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[Assistant] Uh, with Quay Walker and Isaiah McDuffie. And those are the only two guys with real experience. So you don't have much behind them. And so I, I won't be surprised if we see them as some, uh, linebacker depth in the draft, but you know what? They're the Packers. They don't have too many holes and they have a quarterback of the future. So everyone hates Green Bay because they always have a quarterback.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. Kirk's old team. Uh, I mean, that seems like their biggest seed, right? Quarterback?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I actually like the Van Ginkle signing just because you have a Flores connection and Flores has done real good as a defensive coordinator. He's real good at putting his chess pieces where they need to be. Uh, I'm going to mention a need that Deuce would never mention and that's a kicker!


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[Assistant] And you, when you have a rookie kicker or a guy who's never kicked in a regular season game, there always needs to be some uneasiness and some iffiness. We saw some rookie kickers miss big kicks. They're high pressure situations and you do not know how somebody is going to react until they are in that situation. So I think it'll be interesting to see what the Vikings do.


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[Assistant] At Kicker, uh, whether they get sign of free agent, draft one, who knows.


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[Assistant] All right dudes, we're down to our final team and our final team just happens to have the number one overall pick in this year's draft. It is the Chicago Bears. They have been busy and free agency. What do you still think they need to do?


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[Assistant] All right. We did the 16 NFC teams today. We will be doing, me and Tyler Sal will be doing the 16 AFC teams on Thursday. So make sure you tune in. Uh, remember to subscribe, hit the like button, do all that fun stuff that makes this podcast more popular. Leave us five star review. Deuce loves you. I love you. We'll see you all guys on Thursday.


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[Assistant] Welcome into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lab. Justin Rose is the winner for the first time in four years at the AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am. We discuss the future of that event at Pebble Beach. Plus, all the stars are gathered in Phoenix, not for the Super Bowl. Okay.


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[Assistant] So there isn't, there is not an official number also. Shout out Stuart Moore of the PJ Tour communication staff. I always get the invite to Player's Championship Media Day as a resident of Nakatee. I am technically a local media member. And so we played a four-man shambel today. I had to actually look up what a shambel was.


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[Assistant] That's where everyone, uh, hits their t-shot, plays the best one, and then from there you're on your own. To me, Rex, that's like the absolute perfect


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[Assistant] And I'm not, I'm not ready to say I've cured the driver yips, uh, but there are certainly sideline for at least one app.


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[Assistant] White tees. I would actually not recommend it. It's a little too close.


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[Assistant] And so I was hitting lots of three woods, lots of five woods just to avoid running into bunkers or, uh, other hazards like 14.


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[Assistant] I mean, it was probably 6,000, 6200 yards. Like it was, it was, it was too short. Like we needed to play the blue tease just to get the full Pete Dye experience. I'm not complaining.


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[Assistant] Sounds like a really masculine flex. No, no. That's what it feels like. I mean, 6000 yards is pretty short.


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[Assistant] That's not, that's not flexing, that's not being too tough, that's just reality. That's the guy with the driver yet.


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[Assistant] I mean, I still hit it 275, I just don't know where exactly it is going. But no, we had a great day, obviously pace of play was of the paramount importance when you're charging $700 around and you have local media schlubs.


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[Assistant] And that's been the cliche for what? The past dozen years is that, boy, those Texas, those Texas guys know how to play when the wind gets difficult. We hear Zell Tours, Scotty, Spieth, Bo Hossler, whoever else, uh, is coming through the Dallas Metroplex. Like those guys, they, they, they grew up playing it. And sure enough, Jordan Spieth. But the beauty of the hole too.


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[Assistant] I think it's a very good golf course. Is it, is it potentially overrated? Is it, is it worth the amount that they're charging? Look, I think as an actual 18 hole golf course, there's probably six or seven forgettable holes. However, the ones that are spectacular are like worth the price.


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[Assistant] Uh, a forgettable stretch, but it's always a memorable tournament, which is where I wanted to go with this. And it's something I wrote, uh, for Monday Scramble that you guys can find on golfchannel.com right now. The PGA Tour, the PGA Tour has an amazing asset.


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[Assistant] It is Pebble Beach. Pebble Beach is their amazing asset. It's one of the most.


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[Assistant] Uh, high profile, most sought after, most bucket list destination golf courses on the planet. And yet it's being reduced to what I would call a C level field this year. You had just seven top 50 players in the world to lead a board.


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[Assistant] Uh, was definitely eclectic and Jordan Spieth, uh, posited this at the beginning of the week and Rex, I'm curious your thoughts. I'd love to see.


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[Assistant] Not just get elevated, but I'd love to see, at least if it is elevated, I'd love to see like a 70-man, 72-hole tournament at


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[Assistant] And so I don't think we can get enough of having the best players in the world. I mean, three years, four years at this point. Uhm, I don't think you can get enough of having the best players in the world on one of the, uh, world's most iconic golf courses. They should be doing everything in their power if you're the PJ Tour, uh, to beef up this event and make sure it's the best it can be.


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[Assistant] I'm not, I'm not, I'm not disputing your sources, I'm just saying from a discussion standpoint, that seems, that runs counter to exactly what the PJ Tour is trying to roll out with these designated tournaments. The whole point of them, and we're seeing it this week,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's a natural progression that you'd have farmers, phoenix, and, uh, pebble beach on some sort of three year cycle.


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[Assistant] The point we got, and we got sidetracked, and I certainly want to circle back to this, to this event topic, is if you have Pebble Beach at your disposal, you have to do everything in your power. Like this, this year's field, 7 of the top 50, it was, I think, indisputable at the best tournament field of the week, regardless of what the official World Golf ranking said.


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[Assistant] The top of the professional game is being fractured by this PJ Tour.


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[Assistant] And live golf rift where both products are weakened by the fact that they aren't working together where the PJ tour has their own guys and you had seven top 50 players. They put all their eggs in the basket. So to speak this week at the Phoenix open where you have 22 of the top.


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[Assistant] 25 players, all but one of them, uh, eligible for this event, Wills Al Taurus, is, is taking it off, but last week on the Asian tour,


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[Assistant] Uhm, had a better feel with the live guys. Like it's, it's, it's messy. It's, it's, it's, it's not great for either product that you don't have the best players in the world competing more often. But if you can have Pebble Beach, which I think the point, Rex, that I tried to make in,


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[Assistant] Monday scramble on golfchannel.com. It's gonna be a really hard sell to make this a designated event for the top players. Not just the fact that you have amateur tag longs. They don't particularly like that. Right now you have 6 hour pace of play. You have bumpy greens that a lot of players don't like to put on Poana. If you have


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of guys like to play Phoenix. A lot of guys still like to play Tori. A lot of guys obviously are going to be playing Riviera and Genesis Invitational next week. Like, it's not a great time in the schedule. But AT&T also sponsors two events on the PGA Tour. They've been a long time sponsor. They have a relationship with the Masters. You have to make it work.


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[Assistant] That Pebble Beach is a showcase event. It's a premiere event. I don't know how you do it. It's really messy. But I think you have to elevate it for 2024 and see, and see what you can do.


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[Assistant] I'm trying, I'm jotting down, I'm not sure if you guys can catch this on camera, I've been jotting down what I think could possibly be 8 designated events and...


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[Assistant] Yes, you can easily get rid of Travelers, you can get rid of Heritage, you can get rid of Quail Hollow if you really wanted to, and then you can get rid of Phoenix. You do not need to have that, an elevated event. All the top players were already burning up. They love the Phoenix vibe, they love the golf course.


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[Assistant] They love the time of year, but you can go back to back with Riviera. It just, it just works. I don't think you need to make that a designated event. So there you go. There's, there's the four right there.


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[Assistant] You have to make that, like, it's the kickoff event for the PJ Tour season. You just can't have, like, it's PJ Tour's opening day.


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[Assistant] So then we got Riviera, we got Bayhill, we got the players.


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[Assistant] I understand that it, they did get rid of it during COVID and the tournament went off just fine. I understand it is the lifeblood of the event was been known for the past 50, 60, 70 years, however long it has been. However, if they're just going to elevate the tournament once every three years, I think that would be a pretty good trade off.


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[Assistant] Uh, to be able to get the, the great field that you want, uh, during the elevated year, and then you can return to the Pro-Am.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I don't want perfect weather at Pebble Beach. Like I want, I want what you're gonna get in February where sometimes it's gonna be 70 and sunny and other times it's gonna be sleeting and hailing and...


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[Assistant] Whatever else that you saw this week, uh, on the Monterey Peninsula. Real, real quick before we transition to Justin Rose. What did you think of the technology that CBS rolled out on Sunday evening on the par threes? I believe it was on the fourth hole.


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[Assistant] Uh, fifth wall, excuse me. Uh, where they showed...


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[Assistant] Where the ball was going to land when it was in the air. I thought it was cool technology. It's amazing that they can kind of crunch that Trackman data and accurately predict where the ball is going to end up. Absolutely hated it.


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[Assistant] On the telecast. I do not want to see where the ball is going to end up. Especially on a par three shot. Like that's part of the mystery. Like you don't know is it long, short, is it left or right. Like, come on.


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[Assistant] Like, it is. Can you imagine, Rex, if they tried that out on the 12th hole at Augusta National? Like, they wouldn't do that.


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[Assistant] I mean, you'd love to see it on 16. Uhm. Sure. And 17. And 17. What a cool hole. I would think like they're gonna pull like a Joel Damon.


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[Assistant] You know, you hope that he's at least on the periphery of contention. He's certainly going to enjoy the back and forth with Nance and Trevor and company. You can see him.


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[Assistant] Just going through the top 10 in the world ranking right now. I'm going to quick, I want a quick yes or no answer. Would this player agree to a walk and talk on either Saturday or Sunday? I think they'd probably have to do it on Saturday just to be safe. Roy McRoy.


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[Assistant] Uh, Cameron Smith, don't have to worry about that one. Patrick Cantlay, that's gonna be a hard no. Nope. Uh, I feel like Xander Chauflay, that should be a yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would agree with that. He wants to boost his profile. Kyle Morikawa, that's a yes. For me, Will Zeltouris, that's a yes as well. JT, JT's a tough one, man. He burns so hot. In fact, I think he's been like anti, like live mic, anti- No, didn't he say something


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[Assistant] Which is too bad, because he has bones on the back, who obviously, uh, given us a stint with us at NBC Sports, was absolutely phenomenal. Matt Fitzpatrick is a yes, and I would actually love to see that. Uh, Billy Foster is one of the, uh, all time great caddies. Matt Fitzpatrick, an incredibly thoughtful, detail-oriented guy.


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[Assistant] That's rex.hoggard.com. Feel free to send all of your hate mail. Justin Rose, you did mention Rex, uh, did win the Pebble Beach event. First victory in more than four years. Amazing to think that. 2019 Farmers Insurance Open was his last title. That was the one that sent him to world number one.


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[Assistant] Head one since. Kinda shocking. What do you think it means for Jay Rose at age 42 to get back on the horse?


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[Assistant] Coaches, caddies, clubs over the past four years, tinkering, trying to find.


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[Assistant] I give him a lot of credit because you mentioned his age, he's 42 now. He seems of that ilk, he seems of that pedigree where you would almost expect him


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[Assistant] Uh, was rewarded with what is now an 11th PJ Tour title and this has to be a welcome sight.


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[Assistant] I know the arbitration hearing is going on this week in London to determine the fate.


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[Assistant] of the live golfers, but, uh, in, in all likelihood, regardless of what they decide, like I don't think this year's European Ryder Cup team is going to have that veteran leadership like we've seen in years past with the Sturjos, Westwoods and Poulters. And so if Luke Donald can lean on a Justin Rose type.


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[Assistant] Uh, who has been through the ring or been in that cauldron and performed incredibly well. I'm sure he'd love to lean on his veteran savvy, uh, come a couple months time in Rome.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that is interesting. It almost seems like it's a mandate from the top down, whether it's, uh, Steinberg, whether it's Tiger, like, they all seem to be, uh, united, uh, in their front to be pro PJ Tour, uh, for better.


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[Assistant] It was so funny too. It was in his pre-tournament press comments. It was on like Tuesday or Wednesday. The Saudi International. Phil was like, I have to be more quote guarded, uh, in what I say, but there's gotta be more transparency. I'll be able to be more open and engaging come year end. Nope. Phil hops on Twitter and he said that he'll give Tiger a cart if they play.


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[Assistant] It was, it was Danny Woodhead, the former, uh, NFL running back who's, who said like this, you know, PJ tour live match absolutely has to happen. It would be a ratings bonanza, which it would, uh, if it filled my boy game.


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[Assistant] I think everyone thought that the crazy MFers line that Phil Mickelson trotted out last year in the Fire Pit Collective story was the most insane thing he's ever said, the most ludicrous thing he's ever said. Nope. You're saying this is it? It was the fact that he said the Liv guys would beat them quote so soundly that it would be over with too much dead time to Phil.


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[Assistant] Phil did go quiet, so he had his Twitter flurry, right, for like a 12 hour span.


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[Assistant] Probably his lawyers. Uh, but Phil missed the cup I won in Saudi Arabia. And so he flew all the way back to California. That's gotta be one of them.


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[Assistant] 14 hour, 16 hour flight back to California. Not a single tweet. Not a single tweet over the past three days despite having so much ample time on his hands after missing the cut in Saudi Arabia. Did, Rex, did you have any takeaways from the actual tournament? I was keen to watch Cameron Young, who does not have a win anywhere.


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[Assistant] Since back to back weeks on the corn fairy tour in 2021 May, that was really the stretch, uh, that launched him to get his PJ tour card. And then of course last season, uh, he was the rookie of the year.


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[Assistant] On the PGA Tour, it was going to be a very interesting scenario if Cameron Young won that golf tournament. Cameron Young, Lucas Herbert, uh, and a handful of other players received the conflicting event releases to play in Saudi Arabia. We don't know quite the extent of his Saudi commitment, Rex, but you look at the past champions of this tournament.


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[Assistant] Dustin Johnson twice, Harold Varner third, and Grant McDowell. What do all three of those players have in common? They join live. They all eventually join live. And this year's champion Abe Answer, uh, of course, defected to live last summer. It was going to be very interesting. If you're going to ask a question,


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[Assistant] Yes. That's exactly right. I don't actually have a question, but feel free to weigh in. I thought it was going to be very interesting. It didn't end up coming to fruition, but it was interesting nonetheless.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a challenge that Tiger Woods has found now right in his new normal. He's not playing enough to be competitively sharp, but he doesn't want to play too much in that, uh, could potentially break down his body. The live guys are, are, are finding.


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[Assistant] The, the live players will address it with the tour leadership saying, Hey, we need X number of tournaments, uh, to feel like we are a major championship ready, uh, and perform the best that we can. What else caught your eye?


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[Assistant] Over the past week in the world of golf. What are you most looking forward to seeing this week? It's the first time we're already in ROM going head to head in the calendar year 2023.


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[Assistant] You're, you're most often to get the Roy versus Ram, the Scotty versus Murakawa. Like you're more likely to get.


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[Assistant] Those guys going head to head. You look at the PJ tour membership, like literally any of, any of, any card.


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[Assistant] If you look at the history of this tournament, right? It's like you've had really good winners. Uhm, and so I think that'll continue. I think that's the thing that's working in its favor.


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[Assistant] If I'm the PJ Tour, I would still love to see every designated event. Uh, I would do 70 man, no cut. Make sure that this is the best of the best and come Sunday afternoon, those are the guys we're battling out.


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[Assistant] Uh, $1800 a night. I heard your flight, uh, wasn't expensive. Do you care to weigh in on the cost of your flight and how it was possibly as much money as it was?


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[Assistant] It was like $2.50 a night. Like, it was totally fine. Uh, it's no one's fault. However, it was probably a good movie. We didn't blow, like, one eighth of our travel budget, uh, to cover the Phoenix Open. Particularly since no one's going to be reading, uh, our content on golfgeneral.com or anywhere.


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[Assistant] Because of the big Super Bowl, TM, uh, that is being played on Sunday. No one's going to be on Saturday. No one's going to be on Sunday. Your covered TM. No one's going to read on Monday. Speaking of which, speaking of the Super Bowl, TM.


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[Assistant] What are you throwing down on the grill for the big game, for the Super Bowl team? I'm not here.


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[Assistant] We are, we are essentially done. There is one more beam to put in, but it really, uh, is, is kind of after the fact. Uh, I have built roughly, approximately 37,


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[Assistant] Yes, the outdoor kitchen is essentially done. Might, might be tweaking a few things here or there, but it is real. It is spectacular. I'm thinking next week. I'm traveling to the Genesis Invitational, uh, on Tuesday. So I'm thinking the week after.


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[Assistant] Week after Riviera, I'll be firing up. We just upgraded our internet connection to make sure that we have strong enough wifi outside to support it. But coming in two weeks, we will have.


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[Assistant] A golf channel podcast with Rex and Lav from the Outdoor Kitchen. Folks, if you have any ideas for SponCon, hit us up. Which it is.


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[Assistant] A very good idea. We hope you guys enjoy, uh, not just the WM Phoenix Open, but also enjoy the big game, the Super Bowl, uh, TM best party on Earth on Sunday. We'll talk to you guys next week. Enjoy the week.


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[Assistant] What's up everybody? Welcome to the Pick Six Podcast. I am Jon Breach and I am here with


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[Assistant] Uh, we thought maybe because he had to watch NC State lose in the Final Four, that he just gave up on life, moved to the Caribbean, was gonna stay on a beach for the rest of his life. That is not the case! He's stuck in an airport somewhere! Sully, have you ever been stuck in an airport?


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[Assistant] Uh, you just gotta get on the flight, especially those international ones. You don't want to miss them. And you know what? I, I absolutely believe that. I feel like Brinton may have missed his flight on purpose.


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[Assistant] So he could sit in an airport lounge to watch the Masters if he couldn't get down to Augusta. He's probably, uh, if you see Brinson in an airport lounge, please take a picture and tweet it to us. Uh, some big NFL news today, Solly. It's my dad's birthday!


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[Assistant] I know you were probably thinking of something else. So happy birthday to my dad. He is 68, Bengals all time leading scorer. Soli, what's your favorite Jim Breach field goal?


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[Assistant] Really the big part of the podcast today is that we're going to go through all 32 first round picks and rank the best ones ever. But before we get to any of that.


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[Assistant] Uh, Tyler OJ Simpson passed away on Wednesday. His family announced the news on Thursday.


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[Assistant] Uh, and look, this, if there is one man in the history of sports who has a complicated legacy, it is OJ Simpson, one of the best NFL running backs of all time. But of course, anytime you talk about OJ, you have to talk about the fact that he was charged.


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[Assistant] Uh, for double murder, that he is accused of, uh, killing Nicole Brown Simpson and killing Ronald Goldman. And yes, he was acquitted there, uh, but later found guilty in a civil lawsuit. So when you think of O.J. Simpson, how do you think he should be remembered?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think that obviously when you mention Simpson, if you're mentioning his NFL career, you have to mention


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[Assistant] His legal troubles and everything he went through that's not fair to what happened to everyone else. It's not fair to Nicole Brown Simpson, to Ronald Goldman not to mention that.


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[Assistant] When you mention OJ, and I think one thing we saw today, for instance, the Pro Football Hall of Fame released a statement where they just basically shouted out OJ's accolades and what he did in the NFL, even mentioned that, hey, look, he had an okay post NFL career and really they omitted


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[Assistant] Any of the legal stuff, which I don't think is the right way to do it. And so obviously, you know, the hall of fame is the hall of fame. They're not associated with the NFL technically. They're their own entity. Uh, and they usually make the right decision on things like that, but I thought that they didn't do, they kind of went about the wrong way today.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I would say if anybody is listening right now and they've never seen OJ Made in America, the ESPN series, the 30 for 30 that's five parts,


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[Assistant] Definitely go out and watch that. It really encompasses everything that OJ was from his legendary football career where he was the first running back to crack the 2,000 yard mark. He did it in 14 games.


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[Assistant] And so he had some huge years with the Bills, obviously, which is why he's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And as you said, he got huge in movies. He was doing Naked Gun. He was doing Hertz commercials. He was literally everywhere. He was probably


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[Assistant] The most famous athlete in the country, uh, just for being famous, even though he retired from the NFL in 1979. So we're talking 10, 15 years later, he was still extremely famous.


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[Assistant] And then obviously the fall from grace starts in 1994, uh, with the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. So it really is. And you've mentioned, you've said the words fall from grace multiple times and that's really,


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[Assistant] And it just happened so quickly and it was so unbelievable and I think the documentary really does a good job of capturing


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[Assistant] In history, every network cut to it. They cut away from the NBA finals. And so everybody knows where they were if they were alive. When the verdict was announced, it was just, it's just so crazy.


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[Assistant] When you look at his life in total, just where it was and what it became.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's really crazy to me that you have OJ Simpson who, uh, obviously gets acquitted in...


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[Assistant] And you look at everything in totality and you would think.


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[Assistant] If you got off or something like that and you just got to go home and there's not really, obviously there's the financial punishment hanging over your head, but you're not in jail.


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[Assistant] You would just kind of go back and lead a quiet life, you would think. And as you mentioned, you have the armed robbery situation. He goes to jail for just over nine years in Nevada. And it's just like, what are you doing, OJ? Why are, why are you anywhere near anything that's breaking the law at this point? And it was so unbelievable. And then when he gets out of jail in 2017,


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[Assistant] You look at what, how the NFL has kind of handled this and whether, because they definitely don't celebrate OJ Simpson's legacy, which is probably the smart thing. But, you know, when they had the 100th anniversary season in 2019, OJ Simpson was on the 100th anniversary team. They're not out here.


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[Assistant] Celebrating OJ, but they're acknowledging that he's one of the best players in NFL history. So I think that it's just a touchy subject for the NFL. You know, they're not trying to ruffle any feathers. But again, as we said, you have to mention all the bad stuff with OJ before you can talk about the good stuff.


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[Assistant] Uh, but man, what a person, and you know, obviously we're still talking about him today, uh, 40 years after he played his last NFL snap, and it really is rather unbelievable just what his kind of life fell into after his career was over.


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[Assistant] Alright Tyler, now we're gonna move on to talk about people who are actually playing football. We're gonna talk about Josh Allen's new contract, we're gonna talk about UFL tampering, and we're gonna do all of that after the break.


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[Assistant] Alright, so we saw a few guys get hit with a franchise tag this offseason. One of them was...


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[Assistant] I'll mention Josh Allen from Jacksonville in a story and they'll just say, are you an idiot? Josh Allen plays for Buffalo. And I don't even respond because it's like, you feel so bad. You don't want to offend anyone and just, you send them a link to the roster and just like, look, man, I trust me. There's a Josh Allen in Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] Uh, but he signs a massive deal. Five years, uh, can be worth up to 150 million if he hits every incentive. But the key part is that it includes $88 million in guaranteed money. That is quite the contract for him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you absolutely cannot let your star pass rushers walk. Uh, you just, that's one of the most, that is the most important position on defense in the NFL in this day and age. You have to be able to get off the path, get after the passer. Josh Allen has proven he can do that. He's had at least seven sacks in four of his five NFL seasons.


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[Assistant] And as Tyler mentioned, including that 17 and a half in 2023, kind of a breakout season. Uh, but you know, he had 10 and a half as a rookie, so he's really put together, uh, five good years, definitely deserving of this contract.


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[Assistant] And so I think this is a good move by Jacksonville because now you don't have to worry about where, what you're going to do next year. Uh, you don't have to play the tag dance again and you got your best defensive player on our contract. And you know, Josh Allen, you got 88 million dollars. Your bank account is obviously a good move for you.


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[Assistant] And you know one other thing that's confusing about him and Bill's quarterback Josh Allen is that they were both 7th overall picks. Couldn't the other Josh Allen have been like an 8th overall pick? You have Bill's Josh Allen who was 7th overall in 2018, Jag's Josh Allen who was 7th overall in 2019. It is just so confusing, right?


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[Assistant] Yes, and very small gripe because Pro Football Reference is an amazing website. Once you click through to the player's name, the position is right there, just not when you're


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[Assistant] Antoine Winfield Jr. and T Higgins as the only franchise tag players who do not have a long term deal yet. So I think I know the answer to this, but I'm going to ask you anyway, who do you think gets a deal done first? How do you think these two situations play out?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that seems like something that might even happen before the NFL draft, because if you are the Buccaneers, you want to know going into that, do we need, do we need to replace them? Do we need to look toward the future or are we going to get Winfield on a contract for the next four or five years?


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[Assistant] Uh, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see that happen in the next two weeks before April 25th when the draft kicks off in Detroit as for T Higgins.


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[Assistant] Man, I don't know how I feel about this situation. I, I will be surprised if he gets a long term deal. I will be surprised if he gets traded. I think this will turn out like a Jesse Bates situation where he plays on the franchise tag and then maybe walks after the upcoming season. But as you said, the draft really is the key here because if