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[Assistant] You know, we're playing, we need somebody to match up with Michael Thomas on third and fourth this week. We can't play the Seattle scheme all the time because Drew Brees and Sean Payton have too many plays to where they know how to pick it apart.


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[Assistant] Not that type of guy. So yeaah. And then we see uh, Julio catch a ball on AJ Terrell.


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[Assistant] And I go, oh, that's cool. Nice throw by Matt Ryan. I also go, I look at the whole thing and go, I like that coverage.


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[Assistant] I mean, that was damn good coverage on Julio Jones. Yeah, it was a perfect path and Julio's one of the greatest of all time, but I think that's only going to help him too.


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[Assistant] The fact that he'll get to guard Julio Jones every day in practice, right?


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[Assistant] Well, shit, this is easier than practice, so. Yes. I like this, and it is, it's gonna build confidence in his game.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm not shocked. I'm not. You know, uhm, I think, you know, in the draft process, I believe I had Antoine Winfield Jr., Xavier McKinney number two.


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[Assistant] And I believe I made Dugger my number three safety, even though...


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[Assistant] You know, it wasn't easy because you're going, man, who is he pying here? What is this team?


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[Assistant] The, the perfect guy for the perfect scheme and everything that goes along with it.


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[Assistant] You know, again, Belichick loves these types, and this is a guy that I would think would take over a little bit of that.


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[Assistant] Patrick Chung Roll, we're gonna ask him to match up against the Kelseys of the world when it does play man to man. Linebacker, strong safety. What is he doing on this play? Is he playing more of a strong safety? Is he gonna get out of there?


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[Assistant] Uh, I mean, is he going to be playing more of a linebacker here? Or is he going to get out of here and drop into the traditional safety spot? All of those things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I'm interested to see him when the bullets do go live because he was a guy that was a specimen it looked like, but yeah, he was playing against lesser competition. Sounds like he's smart.


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[Assistant] That's the one thing I heard about him in this process, which if you got talent and smarts up in New England, that could be a damn damn good combo.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would, I, I mean I would go more of like, I would be shocked.


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[Assistant] You know, I really would, but like for Bruce Arians to say those type of things, you know, this early about a rookie.


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[Assistant] They have nothing other than what? Whitehead at safety, I think. That's anybody that's a proven NFL safety commodity. Other than him on the roster, everybody is like,


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[Assistant] You know, oh yeaah, he's played a little, this guy was on that team for a little.


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[Assistant] And, and you know, the COVID-19 and the pandemic has totally screwed up my life of...


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[Assistant] Being able to get, you know, my coaching friends to text me as much, uh, or getting me, you know.


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[Assistant] The battle of this every day of the moving parts and trying to catch up. I think the coaches are as stretched thin as they've ever been. That's, I mean, that's one thing I've heard like, man, we're grinding, we're grinding, we're grinding. So, uh, they're trying to make up for lost time. And yeah, you know, between us not being able to see any live action and preseason football.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't get to talk and hear little inklings or things that are, you know, guys that are jumping on the radar at training camp and that's what's just absolutely driving me mad right now.


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[Assistant] We did green right x shift to viper right 382 x thick looky and then we did scatter to west right tight.


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[Assistant] It was good. It's not sometimes somebody else looked like an idiot calling those plays other than me. So you were the star. You know, welcome. But I would love to do that.


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[Assistant] You know, into the ACX Austin Texans, Austin Texas waffle master over there. Hey!


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[Assistant] I, I mean, I'm, I'm really, I would, you know, hopefully we're together on a weekly basis inside of, you know, Central Park there at NBC Sports to where,


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[Assistant] You know, send in a play, somebody. Send in...


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[Assistant] A language of a word, whatever, and we'll try to break it down and do that, you know, and, and, and try to do some football talk on the board where we talk through some schemes and reads or play design or what the thought process is. Uh, I'd love to do that.


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[Assistant] You know, Brad Johnson, who had been in the NFL a lot, you know, a long time, the year before that, that was his first year with John Gruden. They went to the Super Bowl, but I know,


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[Assistant] That even for a guy like Brad Johnson, he didn't know the whole offense at that point either. Like Gruden had to scale it back in year one, right? Just to make sure, hey, we can execute and do things just like we heard with Josh Jacobs last year. Like, yeah, we're just going to run the ball with him. This year we'll break his brain into the pass game and see where he goes from there.


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[Assistant] Was his offense maybe, you know, too many words at times and things like that? Yes, certainly. There's no doubt about that. You know, even he knows that.


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[Assistant] Well, there is something to that. And the other big thing is, as a quarterback,


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[Assistant] You just want answers, alright? That's like the number one thing I learned throughout my career. And what I mean by that is, like,


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[Assistant] The good offenses have answers for everything. And not to say that our answers were always the best, but we had answers.


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[Assistant] Right? To where no matter what a defense did to me, Gruden had wired me to go, you know what to do against that, you know what to do against this, you know what to do against that. So I always felt comfortable from that standpoint and that helped me develop. Do I think the offense like fit me and my skill set like perfectly? No, I do not.


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[Assistant] No, not the least bit. I would have been more...


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[Assistant] You know, I wish I would have got to play in the Brady New England offense or an offense like Big Ben Roethlisberger or something like that. You know, my bread and butter was let me sit in the pocket and I'm gonna have an aggressive frame of mind and I can push the ball down the field.


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[Assistant] And that's where I was best at. You know, I wasn't the best at, you know, Aaron Rodgers, slant route, 90 million miles per hour with the quickest release we ever saw in the sport and all those things.


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[Assistant] Have a picture of me holding a jar with my spleen in it. I don't know what you'd do there.


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[Assistant] I do, I, I, like when the guy said the Lester Hayes, he covered everything, like you do, like, I love that. First of all, Lester Hayes.


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[Assistant] Uuuh, everybody's got jokes, it's funny. Maybe we should, just to like, shut people up, because I do like them.


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[Assistant] Oh, yeaah. We probably, that, you're right. Or maybe we should just get like the Shanahan hat and at least have that on the table or something like that. Just have it sitting there.


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[Assistant] His wife used the pandemic excuse of why she couldn't go to FedEx or do any of that to send me my 49ers gear. And, you know, I mean, we've gotten to a point now where we can at least go to the, you know, FedEx or do something like that. So they got no excuse. They're slacking. The Shanahan, they're slacking all the way.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I think, I mean, I know I grew up with...


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[Assistant] You know, seeing some in the house. Like, I think I had one in my bedroom growing up. So, they're certainly out there. There's no doubt. Uh, but yeah, we should be able to make that happen. You're right. We gotta get something to pay tribute to Big Phil out there.


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[Assistant] Oh, I, I, I know. I, I mean, we might have, we might be doing two and a half hour podcasts. I don't know what the hell would happen. But, uh, no, good shit. Good shit by you.


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[Assistant] No, you have, my dad, uh, dad sends mom to do that one. Sorry. Yeah. That could still happen.


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[Assistant] What's going on, Chris? Yeah, all it took was needling from you for about a year and a global pandemic.


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[Assistant] In my review, there will be some spoilers, so I hope that if you have not watched it like me a week ago, and want to watch it, you maybe, you turn it off at that point.


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[Assistant] Barely got through the first one, to be honest with you. It took two nights. So it was two hours in the first night. I had to shut it off. It was too late. Kids get up pretty early. And then I watched the final hour the next night. So even that was like a two day adventure. You are so soft.


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[Assistant] But let's start, and you talked about it a little bit with Mike on PFT of course yesterday, the passing of


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[Assistant] Legendary coach Don Shula at the age of 90 on Monday. 33 years as a coach in the NFL. And I thought this was amazing. Only two times. Two seasons. We're losing seasons. The worst of which, 6 and 10. So this team was always either elite or average ahead of the pack.


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[Assistant] Started in Baltimore, then went over to Miami for 26 years.


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[Assistant] And the thing that strikes me about him, Chris, is that everyone who came in contact with him has nothing but positive things to say about him. Not that he was, you know, a great competitor because he was, but he was just a good guy and a decent guy. It seemed like anyone who came in contact with him really enjoyed that interaction.


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[Assistant] So we think about this new school approach in the NFL where teams are hiring younger coaches, coaches in their early to mid thirties. You got the Sean McVeigh's out there.


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[Assistant] Don Shula was the originator of that, or one of them at least. He was 33 years old when he got his first job in Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Was the way, and this is something I really respect from not just head coaches, but any leader in any organization. He empowered his assistant coaches. Like he put them in positions to not only succeed, but take a lot of credit for the success of the team. And I think you'll look at some of the great coaches in the NFL now with the Andy Reid's who


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[Assistant] Who are similar in that way. Like I respect that almost more than anything from a head coach is like, can you lead men on the field? Can you lead your coaching staff? But can you also give them the credit for the success? And it seems like Don Shula was able to do that.


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[Assistant] So many stars that he coached throughout the year. So many hall of famers, even going back to Baltimore and Miami as well. Did have some good backup quarterbacks and perhaps one is going to make my list of top five backups of all time. I know you're waiting with bated breath to see who I picked for that.


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[Assistant] That top five, Chris. But I'm excited, and I don't know if this is the, uh,


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[Assistant] The quarantine finally getting to me, but when I found out earlier today that we had expanded your top 5 current backup quarterbacks in the NFL to the top 10, I was, I was very excited, like more excited than I should have been because legitimately when I was looking over,


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[Assistant] The, the best backup quarterbacks in, or just all the backup quarterbacks in the NFL. I was like, there's actually a pretty decent amount of guys who you'd feel comfortable if the starter went down.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's nothing like your top 40 that you're gonna be coming up with of all quarterbacks in the NFL. Who, hey, if last year's any indication, some of the top ones on this list will, of course, they have to be on your, uh, on your top 40 list. So we'll get a sneak preview of the bottom few players on your top 40 list. Uh, before we start, we need to clarify one thing.


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[Assistant] Uh, Nick Foles in Chicago. You picked him when you were doing this with Mike Florio as one of your top backups. He yelled at you. He berated you because he said, Nick Foles is the starter in Chicago. So are we counting Nick Foles as a backup for our practice today?


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[Assistant] So he's, I am, so he's on your list, but what is really interesting to me to think about, just say that Nick Foles is the starter, would Mitchell Trubisky be on your top 10 list?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you gotta go with one. It's against the rules. Do not break the rules of our top 10 backup quarterback rankings in the NFL. So we'll start at the bottom of the list for you. The number 10 backup quarterback currently in the NFL. Kyle Allen.


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[Assistant] I didn't think you, I thought there were definitely, maybe as a starter, as a starter you think there are some serious deficiencies.


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[Assistant] In a lot of these backups, you know, you obviously will see them in injury situations, but a few of them, you could see Ryan Tannehill last year. That was a performance based situation. How crazy would that be? I don't know if it would be that crazy. A new coach in Washington. You got a second year quarterback in Dwayne Haskins that showed some good things, also showed some bad, bad things.


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[Assistant] You know, it's possible that Kyle Allen comes in in a non injury situation to Dwayne Haskins at some point.


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[Assistant] So Kyle Allen, number 10. Who's number nine for you? Backup quarterbacks currently in the NFL.


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[Assistant] He has lost his last 13 games as a starter, so it hasn't been going great for him when he has had the main gig here lately. But before that, had a 16-9 record as a starter for the Browns, Houston, Chicago. We're not talking great teams here. Maybe his biggest accomplishment


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[Assistant] For Cleveland in those years during these really pitiful years for Cleveland, so.


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[Assistant] He's had, yea, you're right, not only is a capable backup, but when he's been elevated to starter, he's had some success, for sure.


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[Assistant] Number eight. Who's number eight on your list for top backups currently in the NFL?


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[Assistant] That's a, that's a benefit to teams out there too. You always heard that with Colin Kaepernick and the rumors out there of like, why isn't Colin Kaepernick getting a job? One of the reasons was coaches didn't want to have to change the whole playbook just when the, uh, if the starter went down.


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[Assistant] Linebacker. Why would you ever want to change your defense now to tailor your schemes to the guy that's worse in the position that you just lost? I mean, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And so I think that's a good way to think about it. Number seven, the number seven current backup in the NFL.


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[Assistant] A matter of his potential and what we thought maybe he could be when he was drafted to what we're realizing the kind of quarterback that he is. And I think you heard his name out there when he went over to Las Vegas and of course, as you know very well, John Gruden loves to collect quarterbacks and is Derek Carr on thin ice out there.


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[Assistant] People saying that Marcus Mariota could be the Ryan Tannehill of this year. The guy that actually replaced him last year in Tennessee.


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[Assistant] I think, I, I, I don't see that as much. You know, it just, I don't know that we've seen enough from Marcus Mariota. I think we've seen the flashes from Ryan Tannehill in the past. I don't know that we've seen those at least recently enough from Mariota to make me believe that he's going to wow in practice and just come up and steal Derek Carr's job in Las Vegas.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was the lowest touchdown percentage of his career, and it looks like the highest interception. So in many respects, that might have been his worst year. It was the year they went to the playoffs in 2017. Alright, so he's number seven. Who missed out on your top five? Who is number six in the current hierarchy of backup quarterback?


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[Assistant] Yeah, the coaches last year did say that his knee injury did play a role in his struggles in the second half. But then to your point, you know, the team still looked at that and said we still would like to upgrade at the quarterback position. And so they went out and got Phillip Rivers and you do think at the roller coaster for Jacoby Brissette, right over the last


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[Assistant] Is not, I don't think you are used to as a quarterback coming up. I mean for you too, I mean it was similar career where it's like you're the starter, you're the guy in Texas and then you gotta adjust to not be in the guy but then you're elevated to that position but then you gotta look behind ya. That's a tough situation that Jacoby's had to navigate the past year.


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[Assistant] Potential certainly there. He's borderline for even being eligible for this list. Really though, because when you think about it, you know, Drew Brees goes down.


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[Assistant] It's not going to be him by like last year with Kitty Bridgewater. Probably not, right. Right. They're going to keep him out in how he's most valuable. Certainly probably the most valuable. He will be probably the most valuable player in your top 10 as a football player and what he'll bring. But as a backup quarterback, who knows how much he'll play in that role this year. So he's number five. Who do you have number four?


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[Assistant] And he might be high on the list too, where he would not need an injury. You never know if Baker Mayfield comes out and the...


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[Assistant] And I think he was last year as well. Pete just texted us. Mayfield was second in interceptions last season. Rivers was third. Who's more likely to be benched for their backup this year? And you got those two backups pretty close in the rankings here.


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[Assistant] Your top three. We're into your top three backups currently in the NFL who is number three.


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[Assistant] I mean, just think about how much more comfortable that situation is.


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[Assistant] You know, a change of scenery in a situation where you're not, you know, in maybe the same kind of competition as you were in Jacksonville last year. But it's gotta be so much easier for Nick Bowles here.


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[Assistant] Nick Foles, number three in your top ten current backup quarterbacks. Alright, so who gets the silver medal? The bronze goes to Foles. Who gets the silver?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Andy can see now too and got that corrective LASIK surgery done right now in February. And it does kind of change the conversation of who, who's the future


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[Assistant] His cowboy nature in the 30 interceptions last year. I mean, he did lead the NFL in passing yards last year, over 5,000, uh, with, uh, with Bruce Arian. So it maybe changes the conversation about who takes over for Drew Brees after this year or two years into the future. And you do wonder too, a little bit, it's,


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[Assistant] It's a different philosophy almost because a lot of times you think of the backup quarterback as a guy you don't want to screw it up. Like Teddy Bridgewater I think was that last year for the Saints and he didn't. He went undefeated in the games that he had to start. Jamus you can see him screwing it up but you also have the higher ceiling like you mentioned off the top too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and if it doesn't work out with him, like you mentioned before, we've got the rare third safety net, or second safety net would taste some hill there too. So really if Jameis is making too many mistakes, you do have somewhere else to go. So he's number two.


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[Assistant] We discussed him as being in a similar situation to Cam Newton where you get cut and your opportunities are limited. I think Andy had more and you guys discussed because...


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[Assistant] He is seen as a guy that can go in and back up anyone out there. And he did it a little bit last year when there was a changing of the guard with the Bengals.


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[Assistant] Cam Newton is going to want to go in and be the starter, but just say hypothetically here, say Cam Newton signs with the team to be their backup quarterback tomorrow. Where would he rank on your top 10 list right now? Cam Newton.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think there are a lot of teams out there missing an opportunity with Cam Newton as you do too because back


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[Assistant] When I covered baseball, the teams would do this and the Oakland A's were really good at this. They would, they would look at their roster and they go, where are we the strongest with our starting, uh, staff, our starting players?


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[Assistant] And one year it was center field where they had Coco Chris and they go, he is one of our strongest players. And they go, where's the biggest opportunity for us to get crushed by an injury? And they all said.


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[Assistant] Because if he goes down, we really don't have a capable backup.


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[Assistant] So they invested in the guy, even though center field was a super strong position for him.


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[Assistant] They invested in more centerfielders, a good backup centerfielder because they knew if he went down at some point throughout the season that they were exposed. And I don't think enough teams are looking at it as like, where are we exposed? Yeah, maybe it's not great for team morale to have that quarterback controversy all the way through training camp.


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[Assistant] But if you're exposed at the quarterback position, the most important position in football and maybe all of sports, you got a, you got a big problem. So I think, I think there are several teams that are missing the boat. They're thinking like you say, they don't want Cam to stir things up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and if the Tennessee Titans had been scared about bringing Ryan Tannehill in because it would cause some controversy with Marcus Mariota. They don't make it as far as they do.


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[Assistant] As they do last year. Real quick, and Pete brought this up, and I thought you might include a couple of the rookies on your list. You're Justin Herbert, Tua, uhm, not Joe Burrow because he's the presumptive starter there, but why not Tua or Justin Herbert?


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[Assistant] Alright, so there's your top 10, your top 10 current backup quarterbacks. Should we take a stroll through all time right now, Chris?


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[Assistant] Throughout the internet, you go, who are the best backup quarterbacks of all time? And some of the sites have listed Aaron Rogers, you know, Steve Young, you know, Joe Montana. Yeah, that's not fair. That doesn't count, right? Like you say with Tua and Justin Herbert, you know, they're going to be the starters at, uh, at some point. So they had to be a backup for a significant part of their career.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I had a few honorable mentions. Brian Hoyer was an honorable mention just because of the reasons that you mentioned.


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[Assistant] Sean Hill, I thought, has been a capable backup. Coming out of Maryland. Backup quarterback for a lot of bad teams. He's quarterbacked San Francisco, Detroit, Rams, teams that weren't very good. And he's got about a 500 record. And get this for Sean Hill. Touchdown to interception ratio 49 to 30.


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[Assistant] I mean that's pretty good for a backup quarterback on some bad teams to throw up those kind of numbers.


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[Assistant] He's an honorable mention. Mike Tomczak I threw in there is an honorable mention because he played some significant minutes for some Bears teams that were playoff teams.


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[Assistant] It's a weird life, Chris, and you can speak to it, you know, better than most people, because you come in, you're drafted, they're grooming you to be the starter, you get your chance, then maybe you get hurt, and now you're the backup. And, like, I'm just kind of curious.


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[Assistant] What is it like, and I'm sure it's different with every quarterback, but...


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[Assistant] It's so competitive. I mean, can you have that closer relationship with the guys that you're competing with if you're the backup or the starter or vice versa?


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[Assistant] And these five quarterbacks were ready. They were ready when their number was called, they had some good performances, maybe a Super Bowl appearance. Number five for me, one of my favorite players to watch, and you work with them many Saturdays throughout the year.


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[Assistant] Uh, in South Bend. Doug Flutie. Doug Flutie is my number five all-time backup. You know, jumped around in the NFL with the Bears and Patriots before going to Canada.


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[Assistant] I came back in 98 and this lines up when I was over at Syracuse 2 in college and the Bills were on TV all the time. I loved watching Doug Flutie play and they chose him over Rob Johnson. So Flutie finally got his chance there. Somehow they didn't start him in the Music City Miracle game.


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[Assistant] He was just a fun guy to watch and he was almost too good to be on this list because I think he could have been a starter for a lot of teams out there but Doug Flutie.


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[Assistant] Was the backup to Rob Johnson because he got that big money, but then he just, he won the job and then ran with it.


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[Assistant] Doug is number 5 on my list of all time great backup quarterbacks. Number 4, Frank Wright.


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[Assistant] Jim Kelly's back up for 8 of the 11 seasons there. Did just have a 5 in 15 record as a starter, so wasn't great when he filled in.


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[Assistant] Except for the playoffs, 2-0 in the playoffs, and of course that big win in 1993, the biggest comeback, they were down 28-3 at halftime, ended the game on a 35-3 run against the Oilers, so.


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[Assistant] Frank, right, just for, you know, it wasn't a prolonged period of time, but when your number is called in a big situation for a huge moment for a franchise, did you show up? And Frank did, for a couple of games there in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] And just because he wasn't called on that much doesn't mean he wouldn't have been able to, uh, to step up in some of those other big. No, I agree. You're right. You're right.


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[Assistant] My number three guy who is also on your list, Chris, Nick Foles, is my number three backup quarterback of all time.


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[Assistant] Three wins, uh, in the playoffs in 2017, of course, including the Super Bowl win over the New England Patriots. Finished the regular season 6-1 as a starter.


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[Assistant] Uh, the passing rating wasn't great in the regular season, but then he really did. It wasn't just like they were winning in spite of him in the playoffs in that run. Right. For Nick Foles, I mean, in those three playoff games, I looked up the numbers.


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[Assistant] He completed 73% of his passes. He had six touchdowns, just one interception, quarterback rating of, of 115. And they had to throw the ball a ton in that Super Bowl game. He threw it 43 times and three touchdowns, 373 yards. And so talking about


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[Assistant] Stepping up in a big situation, Nick Foles has done that.


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[Assistant] Nick Foles, uh, very good in the playoffs especially. Number two, you might not like this one.


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[Assistant] Drafted, uh, in the third round 1984. Didn't start a game until 88. Had only started two games before that 1990 season.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yeaah, he waited six and a half years to get that chance, and then he led the Giants to that Super Bowl 25 victory when your dad went down with the broken foot. Uhm, so he's number two. I'm sorry, Chris. I don't, I know that you played pranks on Jeff. I don't know if he's found out about that. Well, he knows now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what was that relationship? Like, I know your dad didn't, I mean, he's super competitive. I'm sure he wasn't liking all the talk of how great he did. Even though you won a Super Bowl and you're happy for your team.


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[Assistant] Only went to one more, uh, uh, playoff game, or one more playoff game after that. Uh, that was with the Raiders in 1993. Yep. So he's number two. Number one for me though, and I'll be quite honest with you, I wasn't really familiar with him until I looked him up. Earl Morrill. Have you heard of him before?


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[Assistant] So he was a rookie in San Francisco, played with Y.A. Tittle. He was traded for Bobby Lane. He was, uh, back up to Fran Tarkenton. He played with Johnny Unitas. He played with, uh, Bob Greasy. It was like all the great quarterbacks from that era. He was there and associated with him.


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[Assistant] He played the entire 1968 season for Johnny Unitas, went 13-1, won the MVP, lost Super Bowl III though to the Jets and Joe Namath that year. And then in 1972, following Don Schula again, he was there in Miami.


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[Assistant] I know. And a caveat with that Miami team, you know, they did have one of the best running attacks of all time. He didn't throw the ball all that often in the playoff games that he started for him. Miami ran the ball respectively 47 and 49 times. They did have a good running game. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Uh, Pete's unhappy, he goes big omission, gym plug kit, two Super Bowls, started both seasons as the backup. I put him as a starter though, mostly. But I guess he was the backup the two times they won the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] Let's do one, we'll do one. Uh, this was a good question.


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[Assistant] Uh, since we're talking quarterbacks, these are two guys that are now the starters of their teams. He goes, do you think Lamar Jackson can legitimately challenge Patrick Mahomes to be considered the best player in football?


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[Assistant] If not, why not? If yes, what's the timetable? And does Baltimore have to win the Super Bowl to have this conversation? So you think Patrick Mahomes is number one. He has passed your other man crush in Aaron Rodgers in the NFL. But is it, is it that outlandish to think that Lamar Jackson can't overtake that top spot?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Lamar has already exceeded some people's expectations about what he can do as a thrower, I think, in the NFL, but maybe there's still some, some more room to grow, but. There is. Top five, top five at anything.


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[Assistant] You're not, I mean, just saying he's not going to be as good or is as good as Patrick Mahomes is. I mean, that's a great compliment to many people to even be in that conversation. Uh, okay. So Chris, we have to end it though with, put in your, make sure your AirPods are charged for this. It's the- I'm only going one. Okay. Oh, Chris is gone. He left.


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[Assistant] Kristen, do not edit this from the pod. This is all like dramatic. So we lost Chris.


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[Assistant] He did something with his AirPods. Now he's coming back. He's still not in communicato. For a second there I thought, Chris, that you didn't want to hear my Godfather. You pleaded with me for days and weeks and months to watch this movie and then right when I'm about to tell you my review for The Godfather you hang up.


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[Assistant] You did call back. Alright, we end with, uh, Ahmed watched a movie, The Godfather, and four decades after it came out, plus, uh, I'll go with the things I liked first, and I'll start with the fact that, uhm, the name is, uh, Don Corleone. I always thought it was Don Corleone. Most people just


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[Assistant] They dropped the last E on the end of it there. I thought that was very interesting.


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[Assistant] For a second there, I thought they were mispronouncing their own name. I was like, guys, get it straight. It's Don Corleone. Here's what I liked about it.


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[Assistant] I mean, you feel like you totally understand the family and, and like their motivations and why they're doing things. It really lets you into kind of the family dynamics there. It's got really creative scenes that obviously are iconic now that I will remember for the rest of my life seeing the horse head.


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[Assistant] In a bed, and uh, and the fish in the newspaper because Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes. Spoiler alert by the way, I'm going to be giving away some of the best nuggets of the movie if you haven't watched it like me a week ago. Well shot, uhm, and I think you were right.


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[Assistant] Like most people should watch it just for the historical significance of it, right? Just to say that you've watched it and these references that you make and that Pete makes and that Matt Casey make and I'm like, what are you talking about? Like just please watch The Godfather or else we can't hang out with you because you can't communicate with us.


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[Assistant] Those are all the things I liked about the movie, but Chris, I do have some things I didn't quite like.


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[Assistant] So first of all, Chris, the opening scene with the wedding, that was way too long. That was like, I was like at that wedding for 30 minutes. That was longer than I have been at some like actual weddings. Where I was like, okay, we get it. They're getting married. Okay, it's enough.


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[Assistant] I never, I never quite believed that he wasn't in the family business. And I know that was kind of like the gist of it. The beginning of the movie is like, ah, he's the good one. He's on the outside.


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[Assistant] I never quite bought into the fact that he was on the outside, which I think they tried to suggest, but it just seemed to me like he was always gonna be a bad guy.


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[Assistant] I assumed, I assumed that would probably happen, but I didn't know for sure, but it seemed obvious from the beginning.


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[Assistant] A couple other small things, I think the, uh, I think there were too many characters in the book. I had a hard time, er, it was from a book, right? And so it's like they tried to put all those characters into the movie.


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[Assistant] It was kind of hard to follow all of them, but that just might be my own shortcoming. I thought when, uh, when he went to Italy for a while there, that, that dragged on for a bit and then he married Apollonia. I don't know how necessary marrying Apollonia was.


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[Assistant] See her expire in that fashion. That scene I didn't like at all. Even more than the uh, than the wedding one. And finally, the last thing.


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[Assistant] The end of the movie, and this is a real spoiler alert, the baptism blood bath.


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[Assistant] I would have liked it to have been a little more Ocean's Eleven where you like get into the how it's gonna happen. It all seemed to happen so quickly and it all seemed to be so easy that you almost wondered why they just didn't do that, do that before. So it, they went too fast for me. The end, the uh, the climax of the movie was too fast.


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[Assistant] Hey, it took me 40 years to watch it, so I think two days is pretty good. Alright, we'll take it. Thank you for making me watch it and talking about it for a year, because I do feel like I have entered society a little bit more than I had a week ago.


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[Assistant] That's it. That's it. No, that's it. That's it. I've already made you angry enough with some of that stuff.


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[Assistant] Even after his rookie year, I did two one time too. So I've been able to visit with him a few times.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're up, they're up. What state? I need to pull up the math.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] No idea. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? It's a movie, right? Yes! The name of the movie is not B-Rabbit. Okay? It's a movie about a rapper. The song won an Oscar.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, no, I hope it's not a normal thing for the sake of our viewers, even though you are very creative with your rhymes. Don't make me beatbox again. Okay, that's really...


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[Assistant] It's a big stress on the family. I can't even imagine, uh, especially if you have two working parents, right?


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[Assistant] That's ridiculous. And I know, yes, my wife, she doesn't work. She's full time, you know, homemaker, cares for me and the kids and all that. And yeah, it was hard on her last year. You know, she's trying to...


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[Assistant] She's, she wants back. Yeah. She does not want to do the in-school learning. So they're going to have the proper set up. We'll see how it goes. But I'm hopeful that we can.


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[Assistant] Again, this is a team that's gonna look different on the defensive side of the ball this year. I think that's the first thing you gotta kinda take into account.


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[Assistant] This is a Mike Zimmer defense and listen, may it, may it look a little different this year because Dom Capers is there to help out and be one of the defensive assistants.


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[Assistant] And maybe they're gonna throw a little more splash of creativity into it, which is Dom Capers, MO, a little. Hey, maybe. So we'll see where it goes. But regardless, what I do know on Mike Zimmer's defense is he's not a heavy blitz type guy.


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[Assistant] It's about his front four getting there, and him dropping seven. Or hey, we rushed five instead of four, and now we're gonna drop six and play a creative zone behind it, or match up and play some sort of man, whatever that is.


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[Assistant] It's hard to play that style when really there's only really one marquee defense alignment on the defense align. You know, that just doesn't go down. You can't play that style of defense and then go, well, our defense align is, they're pretty average, but somehow we'll get pressure. No, no, you won't. So I think from that standpoint, that's where it needed to be done.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, losing Lin-Vell Joseph in the off-season. You know, Michael Pierce was supposed to come in and be that replacement. He opted out because of COVID-19.


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[Assistant] Everson Griffin, him being gone, I think they had a hope of that. So I think when Mike Zimmer got into camp here, he went, whoa, okay, hey, I got some good defense alignment here, but I don't have one guy that can make a play, maybe might change an offensive game plan, you know, put stress on the offensive line of the other team.


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[Assistant] If I want to play this way and have young corners this year, because that's what they're doing.


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[Assistant] You know, Mike Hughes, who I love coming out of central Florida, but he had a battle in ACL injury a few years ago, so he's just getting back into the swing of things, so he's kind of an unproven commodity. Then you have the Holden Hill from Texas, longer guy, and Jeff Gladney, none of those guys are proven commodities yet.


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[Assistant] So you'd like to think, like, hey, let's not, like, start the year with, we can't get any pressure, and they get a cover for seven seconds every play. How about we get some guys... So with Daniil Hunter... Yea. ...and Gokwe can put that defense on his back. I don't, yea, I mean, I don't know about on the back, but I think it certainly changes the, the overall look.


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[Assistant] And the dimensions of the defense. It helps out everyone else. It really does. I think that's the big thing. And it'll even help out their defensive tackles, which I don't expect that play to be as good as in years past. Where, you know, hey, if you have a, you know, average defense end out here,


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[Assistant] You know, you might tinker around and go, okay, we got Daniel Hunter out there, we got a good tackle on him, our back's gonna chip him.


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[Assistant] Alright, and now, ooh wait, Lin-Vell Joseph's inside, well we might need to double team him this week and, you know, yeaah, we don't have to worry about the other guy on the other edge. Now, that changes it into where it might free up some of the inside guys and make life easier on them. I just think it makes them a better overall defense. It certainly fits the scheme.


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[Assistant] of what Minnesota wants to do. They needed that other playmaker certainly on the front four and I think the the the last thing I'll say too is


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, this is a team that wants to play this style of football.


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[Assistant] You know, you can't play, oh we're going to play through our defense and play running, you know, have a running attack and kind of chew up the clock style football and then have a below average front four. I can tell you that ain't going to work. You're going to run the ball and waste a lot of time when the other team goes down and scores on you and then you're going to run the ball and waste a lot of time and the other team's going to get the ball and go down and score on you.


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[Assistant] So you, you have to, the way their team is built, uh, you know, it makes sense. And then to get that with the pay cut, I think it just tells you how desperate Yannick and Gokwe was to get out of Jacksonville, not wanting to deal with that. And from what I've known throughout this whole process, the only team I heard that I substantially could


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[Assistant] Put a name to Yannick and Gokwe from people I knew around the NFL. The Raiders were the only other team I had heard.


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[Assistant] Now we're really involved in this. Florio says he knows of another, another team. I don't know who that is. But he won't tell you. He said he wasn't gonna give up that source today. So maybe that'll come out during the week or whatever that is. I thought you guys were close.


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[Assistant] No, I think he's in the prime of his career. I do.


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[Assistant] You know, I do, I think he's, you've got a guy that I think is just, you know, hitting the peak prime of his career and has a lot of years left.


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[Assistant] Now one of the big issues about trading for Yannick and Gokwe that we didn't address off the top is, you know,


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[Assistant] It was hard for Jacksonville to get the deal they wanted because, okay yeaah. They didn't get a first round pick. No, but you're trading for a guy who you're not guaranteed to have for more than one year. You know, yeaah, they can franchise, tag him next year. They don't have to do that. That's gonna be a pretty penny if you want to keep him for that. And that's also gonna be the basis of


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[Assistant] Where contract, long-term contract terms start to get discussed too because that franchise tag number is going to be thrown into the mix to where, yea, Yannick and Gokwe and his representation are going to go, wait, but you're going to make this this year no matter what. So that's going to add a wrinkle into things, certainly.


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[Assistant] So, what did you ask me? Well, you wanted to know the sack, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, yeah, I think he is kind of in that category of I don't ever expect him to lead the NFL in sacks. But do I expect him to be somewhere between


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[Assistant] 8 and 14 sacks for a number of years here to come? Yes, I do.


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[Assistant] Now the other thing we'll throw into this and what I said on TV today with Yannick and Gokwe a little bit is he is a little bit of a one trick pony.


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[Assistant] You know, and to me, where yeaah, he's 12th with sacks, right? I think if we went along those defensive players and went alright, so how does he play against the run, he's gonna be deeper than 12th.


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[Assistant] He's, he's, he's high 240 pounds. He's not a real big man. His game is predicated on speed, getting around the edge, beating you that way. Which is great value. Can you keep him on the field? You can. As much as some of the other guys? You can. But you're gonna have to at times probably be cognizant of...


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[Assistant] Where do we have him and what's his responsibility in the run game? Yeah, there's gonna be some of that. You know, I know we even had that at times with Tampa Bay and Simeon Rice where there were certain matchups and the way a team lined up where they would go with that. That's not, you know, that's not Simeon's bread and butter.


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[Assistant] We gotta find a way to kick the linebackers over there. Derek Brooks, you take this responsibility and we're gonna change Simeon's responsibility.


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[Assistant] Those are things they might have to deal with with that, but regardless, they got him to rush the passer and get after guys that way. So here are the names on the sack list.


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[Assistant] I would too. I definitely would too. And some of those guys, you know...


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[Assistant] Uhm, got those stats 2016, 2071, Yannick just got it and now have fallen off a little bit or certainly aren't in that class anymore.


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[Assistant] Is that, yeaah, okay, so yeaah, I mean, you know, when you look at Yannick and Gokwe and you break it down, it's 8 sacks, it's 12 sacks, it's 9 and a half sacks, it's 8 sacks, right? And I think that's basically about the type of player I expect him to be at. And listen, you gotta remember, he had these sacks in some of this production with, I mean,


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[Assistant] Top notch talent around him. So you can't forget about that either.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a little different to me than like the guy who's like, you know, the lone unicorn on his defense is still putting up those numbers like a Chandler Jones as compared to, wait, you had how many Pro Bowlers next to you? Wait, you had how many mismatches on the D-line?


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[Assistant] Ooh wait, alright, Miles Jack is 1, the safeties are


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[Assistant] Gone. Uhm. Church. Gibson. Yep. They're gone. Hold on, who the freak am I missing here? The defense of Lyman? I mean, Kaleus is gone. Fowler, Dev's gone. Yannick and Gokwe's gone. Talvin Smith is gone. Gone. Holy. Malik Jackson. Gone. Who is it?


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[Assistant] Avery Jones. Avery Jones, a defensive tackle. Damn. Wow. That's unbelievable. You know what? I didn't really put him in the starting category that year. I wasn't sure if he started or not, but yeah, that's pretty unbelievable. And I would have never expected


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[Assistant] That defense right there to have such a short run and really only win two playoff games and then we never hear about them ever again.


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[Assistant] Well, I think- Couldn't pay them all, or- I think couldn't pay them all, they wasted years with Blake Bortles, and wasted the- trying to justify that pick and do all of that. And, uh, to me that- that's- that is the basis of it.


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[Assistant] And, you know, people would look at the stats and go, well, how did they lose? I mean, Blake Bortles had a good game. He threw for 285 yards. Yeah, when the game was over, it was 20 to nothing, and he drove them down.


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[Assistant] For a touchdown and a field goal late and got 210 yards in the last two drives of the game when the other team was on the side making hamburgers. Like, and they were using it to justify it.


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[Assistant] Well I wonder if that plays into this too. Now the draft, they killed it this year. Yeaah, I love it. CJ Henderson they got first round. Yes, I loved him, you know that. But I do wonder if this was part of the Yannick and Gokwe. I'll take a little bit less money.


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[Assistant] Because Florio's going out of his mind, he's like, how do you turn, how do you just take five million dollars off? He goes, I would have just gone back to Jacksonville and been like, I'm here, here's, give me my million dollars a week, cause I'm supposed to make 17 million. But maybe he felt like,


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[Assistant] They were going to stick it to him. They weren't going to play him. Maybe not play him. I mean, he did get in a spat with the owner. He obviously didn't like being there. You know, so there was a real issue there. And maybe he also heard how talented those other two guys are. I mean, you could sit here last year and go, well, the best defense end on the Jaguars last year was Josh Allen, the first round pick from


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[Assistant] Two picks, two drafts to go. And you know I love the Caleb on chasing guy too, coming out.


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[Assistant] He's liking Yannick and Gokwe except he's stronger and more explosive. So maybe he heard enough from guys too to go, dude, I'm not sure you're going to have a starting spot when you come back here. You might just be part of the rotation, which is then would hurt also.


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[Assistant] His stock as far as he's at. So maybe he just took it all into calculation and said, you know, that's shit. I don't like it there. And that doesn't sound like it's that good for me anymore. I need to get the fuck out of here. I'll take the pay cut. Let me move on with life.


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[Assistant] Well, I, I, I don't think I'm that wrong. I mean, I didn't know Yannick N'Gakue was going to take five and a half million dollars off his price tag. You know, so I think that certainly helped it to be a second rounder.


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[Assistant] Uh, so very fortunate that way that they found a team that was desperate enough that like, whoa, our team can't be the team we wanted to be unless we filled this position with somebody of quality. And they got fortunate to find the Minnesota Vikings with that.


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[Assistant] You know, I think in their heart of hearts, it's a no-lose situation. Yeaah, the season falls apart, okay, we got Trevor Lawrence. Now, Doug Marrone and, you know, Caldwell, I don't know if they'll be there to see that if it falls apart too drastically, but clearly are in a rebuild, retool type mode for their


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[Assistant] And hey, Jalen Ramsey, they deserve all the credit in the world. They killed it in that trade. And they did pretty damn good in this one too. I'm shocked that no one wanted to trade for Leonard Fournette. I am. Now I know he's got some off the field issues.


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[Assistant] You know, there's been some issues I think more than even have been, you know, made public down there in Jacksonville to a degree.


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[Assistant] You know, from things I've heard, they've caught him in lies, and of course he had the, you know, run on the field incident, and a few other things that I've heard that have gone on down there that I don't think are his best look, and maybe that's hurt his ability out in the trade market.


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[Assistant] So let's dive into that too, because that was something Mike brought up, but I understand that, that's true. Like he's not a Jay Gruden guy, but I don't know.


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[Assistant] So, so to me, there's more of an issue there than he's letting it on. Doug Morrone's a great players coach. He's not going to sell any of these guys down the road. Even if Leonard Fournette was in his office every day, like, hey, what the f**k? Why aren't I in on third down? Why don't I get more reps in practice? I don't think Doug Morrone would ever tell the truth of what happened there. I think he's good that way. I really do.


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[Assistant] I think he's always, I mean look how he went down with Jalen Ramsey last year. He got in a fight with Jalen Ramsey on the sideline. He still never said anything negative about Jalen Ramsey when he was on his team and they knew they were going to trade him. So I don't, all that's bull crap to me right now. I do think there was obviously an issue that they felt like


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[Assistant] Well, we'll just let him go. I mean, Leonard Fornette is a specimen. And I would think...


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[Assistant] You, you threw Pittsburgh out there. I think, like, I would think that there's gonna be a number of claims on him on waivers, or if they haven't, like, filed the tr- the...


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[Assistant] Release paperwork right now that I would think a few teams might be calling and be like, woah, woah, woah, you're gonna release them? Woah, woah, woah, okay, wait, we're on waivers, we're like 19 and 20.


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[Assistant] They're like 18 or 19, you're right, that's gonna be dicey. That'd be tough. You know, but you look at the top of the drought, like Detroit, you're Detroit Lions, like I don't think they're gonna do it. Yeah. You know, you got two. Swift is hurt. Right. Red's Washington, excuse me, holy shit. That, that's bad. They could be in it. You have to wait for five minutes. They could be in it.


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[Assistant] They don't have a lot there, right? So maybe they're a team early on in the draft. The number one team that bangles from the draft, I don't think they're doing it. I have a Joe Mixon. He's a stud. He's so... Washington seems like... Could be. Why wouldn't they? Right. Why wouldn't they? Right. Miami at five. I even brought up the Chargers at six. Uhm, but if I'm the Steelers,


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[Assistant] I think that changes your team. Again, I just want to say this about London Fournet. I know people look at him a little bit as a bust, like he didn't live up to his top five billing.


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[Assistant] Okay, I understand that, but we've already, like,


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[Assistant] What is there in Jacksonville there to help him? There was no pass game. It was Blake Bortles.


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[Assistant] He had 10 people at the line of scrimmage. Have we had offensive linemen leave Jacksonville where we were just like, that was the greatest offensive line we've ever seen. How could they? No. So there's been nothing special there. The only offensive lineman that's left Jacksonville worth a damn was Andrew Norwell, who signed a big deal with the Carolina Panthers. Other than that.


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[Assistant] So, there's nothing there to help them too. All I'm gonna say is...


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[Assistant] There's not many people on earth that are built like him. You know, that's one of my sayings, but 6 foot, 6'1", 230, could...


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[Assistant] Be in the conversation for the fastest guy in your team and just about any team he goes and plays on. You know, he's a home run hitter.


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[Assistant] I mean, go back, watch Denver last year. Watch those games. I mean, 80 yard touchdowns, big runs, makes people miss, can run you over. I just think this is a gem to be had. As long as...


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[Assistant] 4.5 or 6 million for a guy of his caliber, and yeaah, last year running for 1,100 yards, with quarterbacks being changed, receivers being hurt, offense alignment in and out, I mean, I just, you know, again, I think there's more special to this player than- And it's one year.


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[Assistant] Okay. You go skins. I'll go Washington. Nooo! Shit! I really have an issue. What do we have to do? You don't understand, it's a life of growing up in the NFC East with the Giants in Washington. I just, it's like, woah. So you're gonna, we're gonna have to do something. You might have to put something on the table. Yeah. A swear jar, something like that. You're right.


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[Assistant] Have a, have the hardest schedule in football, or it's one of the hardest, I know that.


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[Assistant] 9-5 is, it's right around that range. To me, I envision it.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna give it like a, I'm gonna give it a 10 and 6 type of season. That's what I'm, I mean, that's a perfect number.


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[Assistant] I think you'll have a few weeks here and there where yeaah, things are sluggish or they don't execute the right way, but I'm expecting the Patriots to be like one of those teams where


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, they had some moments of not looking good early, had a few games where we went, woah, this looks really good, and it all starts to come together in December where we start to get towards playoff time and go, oh crap.


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[Assistant] Cam Newton and Billy, Billy Boy might have something going here. They might have finally found the formula.


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[Assistant] And everything like that. So uhm, yeaah, I'm not counting the patrons out of this mix yet.


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[Assistant] I think there's enough around him. I think, you know, yeaah, we're gonna have to rely on the guys like Nikhil Harry and Keel Harry to like show up as a first round pick from last year's draft to be like part of the offense. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] But I think, you know, the biggest thing is he's gonna be with a coaching staff that understands how to give a schematical advantage all the time. And I think that's gonna be really refreshing for him.


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[Assistant] I expect the offensive line to be better. They need Sony Michelle to be, you know, hitting close to 100%. But yeaah, when you talk to me about


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[Assistant] You know, Edelman, Keele Harry, Demir Bird, um, Dan Marquise Lee opted out. Who's the other receiver? I'm messing up. I gotta pull up their roster real quick. It's driving me crazy. Hold on. Pull up the team. But yeah, there's enough there to me to where I look at it and go,


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[Assistant] They should be, oh Mohammed Sanu, that was the guy I'm missing. Right. So, when I look at it from that standpoint, and you've heard me talk a little bit, Edelman and Keel, Harry, Sanu, man, interchangeable guys, all can run speed sweeps, quarterback passes, run over the middle, catch physical balls, a lot, like, a lot of like, uh, you know, by committee approach that I think is very effective.


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[Assistant] You know, we just talked about question marks with the passing help around Cam. There's no question marks with that. And Tampa added the fact that the question mark in Tampa is the run game. So that's just gonna, to me, add to more passing and more yards like that for, uh, for him.


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[Assistant] My biggest concern with all their opt-outs is just Dante Hightower. That's really the only one I look at. Patrick Chung. Yeaah, I can deal with that. They have a ton of safeties and Patrick Chung is, as much as I love him, is not a special player anymore. He's special brains, player no.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I look at that and then maybe Marcus Cannon who opted out, uh, as the two positions where I just go high tower and where I go, ooh, that hurt them. Everything else I still think is very manageable.


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[Assistant] You know, I could see them both, the Bills and the Patriots, both being 10 and 6 and going to tiebreakers or head-to-head matchups as far as who wins that game and things like that. But, uh, yeaah, I expect this Bills team, the roster, everything I like about it. I mean, there's nothing not to like about it.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think that's what I expect is yeah, okay, yeah, oh, the run game's not working today. Okay, fine, Josh Allen and the offense, they'll throw the ball over the field and be fine. You know, I just think yeah, between that and they have a very good young


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[Assistant] Really, potentially dominant offensive line.


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[Assistant] And if they can kind of take the next step this year with Josh Allen, I go, ooh shit, watch out for this group.


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[Assistant] You know, they're growing on trees there. And then Josh Norman, they got him too to help out the secondary a little bit. They're playing chess up there in Buffalo the last few years. I like what they're doing. I like Sean McDermott.


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[Assistant] It's good, it's right where I'm gonna probably go under here though. I mean that's where to me I look at them and go.


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[Assistant] Seven and nine, six and ten, that's, and if you're gonna make me pick, I'm gonna pick six and ten, especially with the way the year starts out.


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[Assistant] The fact that they gotta go to Buffalo, the 49ers come here to New York, and then they gotta go to the Indianapolis Colts.


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[Assistant] That's a pretty tough first three games, let alone the Broncos of the week after that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, where I just worry about the, the Jets, it's very easy. You know, in a league where, you know, passing and coverage is an issue, they don't have a shut down corner, nor do they have a receiver that I look at as a game breaker yet. Now the offensive line will be improved, but we gotta also see where the running backs are at. I mean, I haven't seen Le'Veon Bell be worth a damn in two years.


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[Assistant] He took a rep with the second team. You see that? Well yeaah. So there's, there's, right. So I mean, Frank Gore and, you know, I love Frank Gore too, but I mean, I don't, I'm not sitting here like, oh, I'm so excited to see Frank Gore in year 74 with the Jets. Like, you know, just so.


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[Assistant] It sounds like everyone's going to blame Sam Donald and Adam Gaze. And I just want to say this is year one of a rebuild right now. And I think they've taken some major steps in the right direction. I think they're like one of those teams, 6 and 10.


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[Assistant] Pain in the ass for a lot of teams and probably lose like two or three heartbreakers. Uh, but that's kinda how I envision it. I'm gonna go under as well.


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[Assistant] Did I get that? Did I do that right? Yeah, it's TCU, right? It's TCU? Uh, Auburn. Auburn, that's Auburn, sorry, yes. Uhm. Thinking about Minnesota.


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[Assistant] I, I, I tend to want to go over here too. Oh, you want to go over this? I mean, under. I mean, excuse me. No, no, under. I want to go under. I tend to want to go under here. Yeaah. I, I don't, I just don't know if I really feel like they're ready for prime time quite yet. Uhm, there's a lot to like about them.


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[Assistant] You know, if it's Patrick, as streaky as he is, the Shan Gailey hiring, I gotta see how that goes. I did not love that.


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[Assistant] Do I think that defense is gonna be damn good and a pain in the ass? Yeah, I think they're gonna be a pain in the ass, but I don't know if it's gonna be like, dominant yet. That's where like, yeah, they're gonna cover some people. Do they need to be dominant though?


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[Assistant] No, it's not. You just, you're right, but again, I would go, okay, who they're relying on is Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's the streakiest quarterback in the history of the sport, Devonte Adams, who has an injury history, and Matt Breida, who has an injury history at running back. So there's like some question marks there. Uhm, yeaah, I just think between looking at that,


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[Assistant] A little bit, you know, like the Jets in a lot of ways, where I go, ooh, yeaah, they're gonna be 6 and 10.


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[Assistant] They're going to be a lot of big plays and kind of pain in the ass, but going to lose some close games. And especially, I think, like, they're going to lose some other games too, where, okay, you know, we're three and six, the season's over, let's go with Tula now.


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[Assistant] I am big, as you know, and anybody that's ever listened to me on the starting schedule.


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[Assistant] Oh, like the momentum out of the gates, first four weeks. So the Dolphins, like the Jets, that's really what scares me. Patriots, Bills, okay, Jaguars, you can beat that, but then Seattle, San Francisco, the Broncos, the Chargers, the Rams.


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[Assistant] So that's where I just go, ooh, and there's the, if you're watching on YouTube right now, there you go, to where, you know, if you sat there and went, ooh, you know, them, the Dolphins, they got out to a one in six start, I'd go, I'm not shocked.


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[Assistant] I, I, well, I, I was gonna go, I thought you were gonna say it's like 13, I thought maybe you'd say 12 and a half, something like that, where I was just gonna go under, going under.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go under anyways. Wow. 11 and 5. Why? 11, I can see them go to 11 and 5. One, because I think their division's gonna be better. Big Ben's back. Yeah, that's true. So you don't get two wins against Pittsburgh. True. I think Cleveland's gonna be the real deal, or at least certainly better.


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[Assistant] You know? And then Cincinnati I think is gonna be a pain in the butt too. So I look at it from that and then my other thing is this, Ahmed. It took the league by storm last year. Right.


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[Assistant] I don't know, in my gut or heart, like, I can see them being like in a Chiefs team. The Chiefs were the number one seed two years ago, right? And then, oh, we hit a few blips in the road and we ended up the number two seed and not as good as the year before, but we won the Super Bowl. Like, I can see the Ravens being that. Like, being the two or three seed this year.


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[Assistant] And then making a playoff run and getting into the Super Bowl. But I just think between that


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[Assistant] And, you know, having to play the schedule they have to play this year.


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[Assistant] And they're gonna play the AFC South, which is three caliber like playoff teams with the Texans, the Colts.


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[Assistant] And the Tennessee Titans, Tennessee Titans, we know how they match up with them. And then honestly, I even look at the NFC East and go, yeah, I know they're better, but the NFC East, like the Cowboys and the Eagles, they match up good with the Ravens. They're not going to be like overpowered by those, that team. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] You know, I'm looking for just a little bit of a let down from the Ravens. It's hard to emulate 14 and 2, 2 years in a row. Plus some teams being better around them.


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[Assistant] And, yeah, them probably not being the number one seed, but a big pain in the ass, and like, you know, getting to the playoffs, and they could go to the Super Bowl, I'm just gonna go under with the 11 and a half.


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[Assistant] If he gets to that this year, he's either just broken some long runs where I go, woah, the guy's unreal. You think they will want to run him less? No, yes, yes. Definitely. And then why wouldn't you when you have J.K. Dobbins in the mix now? Like, why?


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[Assistant] You know, Lamar should just be the ultimate decoy and the ultimate...


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[Assistant] Here's 8 or 9 rushes a game and woah, he had 8 or 9 rushes for 80 something yards. Like that would be something I could see happening. I'm going over.


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[Assistant] I am too. You know, I expect Pittsburgh to be one of those teams who didn't make the playoffs last year that makes the playoffs this year. I do. Yeaah, and I think uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, of course Big Ben's worth, you know, some wins, and if he stays healthy and all that.


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[Assistant] You know, but yeaah, Eric Ebron a tight end, you know, second and third year for some younger receivers, you know, like the Deontay Johnsons or the, the kid from Oklahoma State, uh, Washington. Of course, you know, the Chase Claypool, we've talked all about that, but I think the big thing is the defense. They don't, to what you're saying,


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[Assistant] They didn't need much offense. They just got a little offense last year.


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[Assistant] And you know, they lost to the Jets 16 to 10. They lost to the Bills 17 to 10. They lost to the Browns 21 to 7.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, they lost some games, the Ravens in overtime by three, you know, the 49ers by four, where you just go, if Big Ben is out there, I just, you know, at least half of those are wins. You think he can come back and be what he was before?


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[Assistant] They are, he's a beat up guy. This is an elbow, right? Yea, elbow, torrential ligaments there. Now, you know, two years ago, let's not forget how awesome he was. He was awesome two years ago. You know, I mean, yards, touchdowns, big time throws.


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[Assistant] I, yeah, I expect a really good year from Bing Ben. I do. I would be shocked. And yeah, I expect Pittsburgh to be a major player in the AFC playoff conversation. We will have that conversation.


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[Assistant] These are hard. This is quite arguably the best division of football this year. I think you're going to be able to make this argument with the NFC West this year. I'm going to go over.


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[Assistant] We had this conversation with my dad on the podcast a little Thursday. Just how many damn teams you look at right now and go, man, there's a lot of good players on every team. So it's eight and a half? Eight and a half.


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[Assistant] I can, I mean, listen, I can very, I can see...


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Orla, 10 and 6, 9 and 7. I would not be shocked. I really wouldn't.


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[Assistant] Wow. I do. Okay. I do. I look at Cleveland and I think...


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[Assistant] We know the roster is phenomenal. The only question we had was, oh, line really. Okay, that's, that's been fixed. I mean, it should be, with the talent they have there.


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[Assistant] And I really think the scheme and the coaching they have goes in there actually fits their roster better than the last scheme and coaching did.


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[Assistant] You know, like, you've probably heard me say, but with Stefanski, the Minnesota scheme, all that, run the ball, boot some play action, shit, Baker Mayfield's, he's more gifted than, than Kirk Cousins in all those areas, let alone he's gonna have better talent around him.


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[Assistant] It's a special front four, you know, so yeaah, I'm going, I'm going with the, the over there. I could also, I mean listen, this is, we're, we're having fun, whatever. I could see them being eight and eight and being a seven seed in the playoffs too. I mean, I, with that, but I'm gonna go, yeaah, they're nine and seven. You know, let's just like, let's dice


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, the schedule, Baltimore, week one, not easy. Got the Bengals and then the Washington football team, you know, so. Yeah, they could be two and one, certainly. I mean, I can sit here right now and go, no, they should beat the Bengals in Washington. Their roster is better. You know, I know it's not that easy, always to say.


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[Assistant] But after that, it gets a little tough. I mean, you got to go at Dallas Cowboys, Indianapolis Colts, Pittsburgh Steelers. So, hey, this will be a big year for the Cleveland Browns. They're going to see if they're battle tested and tough to win some of these football games. But I'm going to bet on yes, I am. They got a new defensive coordinator, Joe Woods.


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[Assistant] I do. I was Joe in Tampa back in the days. Yeah, I know all about you. That's why I didn't get there to that, but that's what I mean. I think that his scheme I think is going to fit their defense better than what they've run the last few years too. You know, I think it's, they got a team that's


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[Assistant] I don't want to say it's San Francisco, but it's built that way. Some long corners, you know, Carl Joseph, fast safety. Oh wait, and a front four that we can just send after people all day long. I mean, I'm kind of excited about that aspect of them.


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[Assistant] They got Kareem Hunt too as a runner. You know, which I would, I would think he's gonna get more carries and more work this year. I'm gonna go with Odell this year. Okay, so you think Odell?


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[Assistant] I think trouble come down, and not because it'll be any less, but I think, like, what's the point of having two running backs? Why wear one in the ground? That's what I don't understand. You know?


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[Assistant] Share the workload a little bit, and then when you get done here, you're gonna be able to assess a year or two from now and go, okay, which one has a longer shelf life left? Oh, it's Nick Chubb. Okay, see ya, Kareem Hunt, we can't pay you. We're gonna pay Nick Chubb a little bit more money to be our running back for the next few years, and we didn't kill him. Right. Because we shared some, some carries that way. But, yeah, I mean,


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[Assistant] Gosh, you like them, that's alright. I do, I like them. There's things to be excited about. Like we said, that old line, the two tight ends they got, they got more size of deep tack.


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[Assistant] I feel like a little bit, like last year was overhyped, now this year everybody's like totally forgot about them and I think they're pissed and have an edge about them and I always think a new coaching staff with a concise plan is worth a few wins and I do feel that way as much as I don't love Stefanski's offense.


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[Assistant] You know, I do think it's actually a good fit for this football team. So, Pete, keep track of all the teams I stay over and under for, right? He's keeping them in the rundown right here. Alright, because I don't want to get done here. Like, you picked 16 overs.


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[Assistant] Offense could be fun. Offense could be a lot of fun. It really can be.


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[Assistant] You know, defense is the question. Defense could be fun for other teams. That's, that's the thing. You know, you know, just, you know, you look at, you look at Cincinnati and as I pull up their team here and just like look at everything about them, like, okay, you know, first off,


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[Assistant] On the defensive side of the ball, hey, got some additions, you know, Trey Wayne's out for the year. Mackenzie Alexander, that's good. Von Bell at safety. You know, got DJ Reader to help out. My big thing though is like, is there enough difference makers on the defensive side of the ball?


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[Assistant] That's to where I just don't know. Plus, yea, I'm not like sitting here going, oh, the scheme's special, so they'll be able to figure it out. Uh, I have been, I think this, I'm gonna go under.


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be a really exciting 5-11 football team. You know, and again, I'm saying 5, would I be shocked if they went 6-10?


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[Assistant] Uh, no. Would I be shocked if they went 7-9? Yeah, I'd be starting to get in the shop zone then. Especially in that division. Yeah, I just don't think they're there yet. I think they're gonna be a lot of like...


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[Assistant] Wow, that was a great game between Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow just came up short. That was a great game by Joe Burrow and Baker Mayfield. Joe Burrow just came up short. It was a great game against Ben Rawlsberger. They just came up short. It was fun. AJ Green bombs and Joe Mixon runs.


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[Assistant] If it like starts to taint Joe Burrow, they'll consider it. I was at the combine and interviewed Zach Taylor and brought this up.


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[Assistant] Okay. And there was a member of the Brown family there. Okay. Going around that day with Zach Taylor and


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[Assistant] I'm not saying playoffs for this team. I'm not saying that. I don't know that yet, but I'm going to go over 7.5. I am. You think the offense will be better than it was last year? I do. I'm going to stand by that. I do. I think it's going to be a fun, exciting offense. I think they've gotten it figured out. Yeah, I like the receiving group.


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[Assistant] You know, the O line, I like what they got there. You know, and then of course running back, we'll see. We'll see what David Johnson's got in the tank and all that, but I think it's going to be a lot of fun to watch here. The big thing is going to be their defense.


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[Assistant] Right. And that year he had 16, he had a good year, right? It was like 16 sacks that year, 16 and a half, something like that.


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[Assistant] That's the, that's the question. You know, I know they gave Zach Cunningham a ton of money yesterday, linebacker, that's awesome. You know, that's, he's one of those linebackers that's, he deserves to be paid like that.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a guy that stays on the field all three downs and can do anything, can cover, he's one of the better cover linebackers in football. That's why they paid him that money. So you got that. You know, but yea, the defense is an issue. J.J. Watt getting hurt would be a big blow to their football team. Who's a, who, who's, tell me, who's a difference maker up front? They lost D.J. Reader.


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, we, we've talked about, uhm, you know, uh, the, the, the other pass rusher they have. I'm from Philadelphia, holy cow. Hold on, I'm pulling up the teams. Yep, I'm pulling up the teams. It's killing me here.


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[Assistant] Whitney Merciless, thank you Pete, yes. Whitney Merciless, okay, so him being there, and uh, he's not the same player he was a few years ago.


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[Assistant] I think what I'm saying is the worst I could see it doing is 7 and 9.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna bet that Deshaun wins that one extra game because he's Deshaun freaking Watson. And he'll figure it out.


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[Assistant] It's just gonna all be about all that offense. Yeah. We're gonna see an offense unleashed. That's why week one could be a blast. Yeah. I mean them versus the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] You know, they might actually, the Chiefs might score 51 again like they did in the playoffs, but this time the Texans might score 48. You know, I think they could have a, uh,


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[Assistant] I can see, I mean, they're gonna beat each other up a little bit.


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[Assistant] I don't expect them to be a twelve and four.


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[Assistant] Right, that's what we talked about a lot last year, if you remember. He didn't leave any yards on the field. If a guy was opened by 3 inches, 60 yards down the field, he threw the ball within that 3 inch window, and they capitalized on it.


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[Assistant] Is the offensive line going to be as good as last year? No, probably not with Jack Conklin being gone.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a lot of damn good. You know, the right tackle position is just gonna be a new guy over there. Is that Isaiah Wilson? Yeah, I don't know if it'll be him or not. You know, but yes, the running game, the receiver, they got a good under the radar tight end.


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[Assistant] Passrushers, that's the thing. That's their biggest issue. That's what I worry about with them.


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[Assistant] You know, they can't even formulate a pass rush with four people. It's horrible.


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[Assistant] And at times it makes them have to do things on the defensive side of the ball I think that they don't want to do because they have to blitz and do things like that just to create some pressure. So uhm, yeaah, I think that


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[Assistant] I look at it, and Vic Beasley's a big question mark. I mean, I don't even know where we stand with this right now. Yeaah, he wasn't there and then he was hurt and then... He's there and I think there's still a sense that he might leave. That he's got other things on his radar in life that are concerning. That I've been told, I'm not going to say what they are publicly, but I've been heard he's got some, he's thinking about doing something else in life.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that'll be interesting to see where that goes. Now the other thing with them, which I think gives me the final nudge to say, I'm giving it the over. And again, it's eight and a half, right? Yep.


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[Assistant] And I don't, again, I, just the division's too good to where I can see this being a little like, it's a lot of 10 and 6, 9 and 7 with those top 3 teams. But Broncos, Jaguars, Vikings early on.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, that's favorable for them. I do. They should, they got a chance to start out 2, 3 and 0. Yea, 2 or 3 and 0, for sure.


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[Assistant] I do believe they will. Yes. I think they will throw more with Ryan Tannenhill.


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[Assistant] I just think, like again, I don't know if the offensive line will be as dominant. I think with him being in year two in the system, not coming in to take over from Mariota in week six or whatever it was, right? That'll give them the confidence to, to, you know, open up the, open up the attack a little bit more.


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[Assistant] I feel like. It is. To me, that'll be the- I'm glad you brought it up. To me, the big question is just-


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[Assistant] He's never lived up to that billing. You know, Jonah Smith is the guy I look at to be watch out for him this year. Really? Yeah. You know, it's an offense that I think fits.


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[Assistant] I mean I like, I liked him last year too. Running backs, T.Y. Hilton, hopefully Paris Campbell can stay healthy and show he was worth that second round pick. I'm extremely excited about him. Michael Pittman Jr., I know he's a beast and tough. You know, uh, other receivers on their roster who are also very good.


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[Assistant] You know, there's really, on offense I have no question. Defense...


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[Assistant] I only question the secondary, alright. That's the only area I look at. I think they're gonna, you know, great line backing duo when Darius Leonard and Walker. D-line is deep and versatile as hell.


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[Assistant] Yeah, corner, secondary, that's a little scary. That's a different conversation. You know, other than more, they don't really have a really quality corner in my opinion.


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[Assistant] And the safety plays a little average too. Now the thing that makes me feel like somewhat good about it, alright, is their schedule.


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[Assistant] You know, they're not playing the most high octane passing attacks early in the year. When you get to start off with the Bears, the Jets, the Vikings, and the Jaguars, I mean...


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[Assistant] The Vikings are the most high octane passing attack out of that group right there, and they're not high octane, so. That's a good early schedule. Right, it's a very good early schedule.


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[Assistant] You know? So I don't know, I look at their matchups and when I first looked at this and just went, ooh, these are, they fit their team. They're not gonna, not necessarily teams early on in the schedule that I think are gonna be able to take advantage of some of the weaknesses that the Colts do have.


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[Assistant] There's some young talent to be really excited about.


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[Assistant] No, no, I really do. I mean, Caleb Onchason, I love him. I love C.J. Henderson. I thought C.J. Henderson was more talented than Jeff Acuta. Who?


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[Assistant] You know, I know is limited in practice, but like, they still haven't said he's gonna be a starter there yet. So I just wanna be like, well, there's a problem there.


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[Assistant] You know, number three picks, if they're not starting right now, then I don't know, you might have messed up the number three pick.


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[Assistant] I mean, I could see them being 5 and 11. I mean, yeaah, but I, you know, yeaah, 4 and 12 is where I see them at. I do.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not so, there's just too many things I don't know about. Offensive line. Yea, there's a little potential. Yea, there's a little potential for Gardner-Minshew.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they got receivers that kinda scare me, but I don't know how good Gardner Minshew is yet.


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[Assistant] You know, the running back situation, we'll see where that goes.


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[Assistant] You know, defensively, yeaah, defensive line is going to be a pain in the ass and things like that. I just don't know if there's enough to go around there. Who do you think is going to take over for, for net? Chris Thompson? I was going to say, I was going to say Raquel Thompson. I think Chris Thompson will be like, Armstead, excuse me. Yeaah. Chris Thompson too.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I'd like to recall Armstead coming out in the draft a whole lot. And, you know, Chris Thompson's an unbelievable third down, change of pace type back. So, yeaah, you know, I guess...


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[Assistant] That, that's about where the defense align really good, front seven pretty damn good, but secondary is underwhelming to me.


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[Assistant] Well, I, I, I get that, totally. Uhm, yeaah, they're running out of players to trade here, but, but, but regardless, yeaah, they're a team that's in rebuild mode. Yeaah. And, uh, I, I like some of those young guys, but they're not ready for prime time yet.


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[Assistant] Like the pressure's off and you're just gonna see the Kansas City Chief swag and like, they're gonna relish this. But sometimes if you don't have that urge.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's any more question anymore of like, oh, can we win? Can we win with a young quarterback? It's all got Andy Reid. Can he win a Super Bowl? It's all over. It's all going to be like, just show your ass this year. Hey, we're really good. We got confidence. Let's be tough, you know? And then, you know, when you, when you like, I think the thing is Clyde Edwards, he'll air going to make them better.


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[Assistant] Michael Hardman's gonna be better this year, okay? You know, they got the kid, Willie Gay Jr., from, uh, Mississippi State at linebacker. He adds another dimension to their defense. But don't forget about this, too.


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[Assistant] During the Super Bowl run, Juan Thornhill, they're starting safety. He got hurt. He missed the playoff run. He'll be back. That's great. Breland speaks a second round pick from three years ago. He didn't play much last year.


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[Assistant] Free agent signings this year. There you go. Whoa. They're back in the mix. So I just, when I look at it like that,


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[Assistant] Well, I just, I also think, listen, that's a tough schedule. I'll go over to. You're gonna go over? I'll go over to. You feel like they're gonna ride the wave?


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[Assistant] It's hard for me to not watch those things. And then the playoff run, I watched it all again. The one thing I always walk away from Kansas City games going, we don't give them enough credit for this, is their physicality.


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[Assistant] Because we look at them as just passing, throw it around, all that. But their defense and offensive line are physical. They throw their body around. They match the 49ers physicality in the last quarter of that Super Bowl. Nobody really did that all year to the 49ers. So, I just, uh, there's a lot to like.


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[Assistant] You know, of course, we know health and all that, but like I said, with Michael Hardman and Edwards Hilaire, I think Hardman takes that next step. Let's see if Sammy Watkins can stay freaking healthy, but between that, yes, I just, I think this is gonna be next level shit this year. So the three teams behind


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[Assistant] I like the Broncos a lot. I do too. I'm over. I'm over.


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[Assistant] I think the only thing I worry about with the Broncos at all is just a little bit of like maybe that Cleveland Browns effect from like last year where it's just like everybody's talking, we're supposed to be great. That's true. We're just, we're great. You know, we got, we got these receivers now and all of a sudden we're in the great category. Yeah. So that's, I guess that's the only area in which I look at them and just go, ugh. How's the offense


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[Assistant] Yeah, they need the left tackle, but he's still got to improve. They lost Ja'Juan James with COVID-19 opt-out. So that's a big question mark.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, they got Melvin Gordon on the running back position now and all that. And they got one of the best O-line coaches in the game. So like, I, you know, I'm really on the fence with this team. I am, you know, I don't, because I expect them to be better. No doubt.


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[Assistant] I could see them being 8 and 8 or even 9 and 7 and maybe just making it as a 7 seed or just missing out or something like that. Oof.


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[Assistant] Wow, this one's, this one's physically painting you. It is, it's really a tough one there. This is tough.


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[Assistant] That's another, that's another like, fringe football team here. Right? I think my big thing will be this. I'm going to go under.


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[Assistant] You know, I am. I'm excited about them. I love Josh Jacobs, the O-line special. I'm really, I'm rooting for Derek Carr in so many ways. I really am.


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[Assistant] I think my big thing with them would still be the defense and that's why I can't do it. I just don't know if there's enough special there quite yet.