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[Assistant] I don't think you'll see it get to barring like major injuries. You will never see it get to three either way. I think it closes a pick them. I think it ends up drifting back towards the chief. So if I were, if I were right now, I would lean towards chiefs in the under anyway. And I think that's where the line moves. The one thing about


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[Assistant] Uh, I see a 48 out there, so maybe take up a little bit in terms of the odds, but she started catching plus one minus one 15 on the juice at plus one and a half. So, uh, would feel like.


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[Assistant] Well, I would actually, I would, I would say, I would, I think that the, it's not so much, uh, over under on arrested.


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[Assistant] But maybe over under on how many of us have shenanigans related stories that come out of the super bowl. Cause I think one is a pretty safe bet. I'm not sure who that would be.


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[Assistant] I got a good little Super Bowl shenanigan streak going. So I'll say the over one or end one.


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[Assistant] The last three years I got shenanigans. Alright.


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[Assistant] Okay, that makes me feel better, because I was actually, I don't want to be, I didn't think you'd be surprised at all. For me, it was, if you're the Panthers, you want someone this inexperienced, who's only got one yarner's belt as an offensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] That was the surprising part was is that if you're David Tepper, are you trying to hit a home run? Are you trying to be bringing in a guy like this? But then the flip side and look, what have we talked about for like a month now? Who wants the Panthers job? Why would you want the Panthers job?


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[Assistant] And I think you just hit the nail on the head with Dan Morgan and Dave Canales having this relationship that goes back to 2010 in Seattle. If you're Canales or any coach for that matter, you don't feel comfortable taking a Panther's job because you might lose your job in the first year. It might get fired.


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[Assistant] Because you know the general manager, that gives you the security. I think that's why Kanales felt comfortable taking his job.


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[Assistant] It is hard to say no when you spin it like that. And so I think Dave Canales was in that rare position where this did make sense. I'm not sure it made sense for a lot of other people. And look,


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[Assistant] The other part of Dave Canales is you look at his track record. You mentioned Bryce Young. That's such a key part of this job is can you find someone who can


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[Assistant] Make Bryce Young better. Who can build an offense around Bryce Young because he is gonna be your quarterback. If you take him that high in the draft, he is your quarterback for next year. Probably next year, you're looking at least two more years even if you don't like him. Even if he is not good, I think you have to start him for at least two more years. But best case scenario, he's your quarterback forever. Right?


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[Assistant] Nope, Princeton's muted. So I'll just say this real quick. The reason I like him with Bryce Young is that


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[Assistant] Uh, during the latter part of Russell Wilson's career and Russell Wilson had several good seasons with him as, uh, the QB coach. Then you look at what he did with Geno Smith in 2022. Uh, I mean, we can all agree that.


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[Assistant] Whatever happened to Gino Smith, something flipped, somebody helped him, whatever it was, he didn't look like the quarterback he was.


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[Assistant] Who was the Panthers coordinator last year? Offense coordinator? Thomas Brown.


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[Assistant] He still is. No, no, in 2022, not 2023, when Baker was there.


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[Assistant] It was, uh, when, when, when Baker Mayfield was there, was it, was it in McAdoo? All right. He was there. I'm only asking because I'm looking right now.


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[Assistant] It makes that person look silly for, hey, I couldn't develop an offense with Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] And then you see Canales do this immediately. It's, and even Sean McVay did it to a point where, you know, Baker Mayfield had a huge game with him. So yeah, it's, I think what you're saying is definitely.


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[Assistant] Oh, there we go. Take a drink. We mentioned McAdoo on the podcast.


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[Assistant] The way it's set up right now, it does seem like he understands that, okay, firing Frank right mid-season.


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[Assistant] Little crazy firing role mid season, a little crazy firing Ron Rivera. I think he realizes is as read the headlines. He seems like a guy who reads his own press and realizes that you cannot do this in the NFL. You can't just.


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[Assistant] Make decisions on a whim and think they're all going to work out. So I think for at least one season, he will do his best to keep his hands clean and everything, let them run the show. And then if he's not happy, he'll, he'll start meddling again next off season.


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, just because of the division they play in, uh, you just made one of your opponents weaker, the team that just won the division because you just took their offensive coordinator. We saw Rashad White tweet out, nooooooo, uh, after Canales got hired. So clearly he was not thrilled to see


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[Assistant] And I feel like Baker Mayfield probably feels the same way.


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[Assistant] So you made the Buccaneers worse. Who knows where the Falcons are right now. They don't even have a head coach and the Saints are the Saints. Can you ever trust Derek Carr? So it does feel like.


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[Assistant] If you have a steady hand and you make Bryce Young a better quarterback, then you absolutely can compete quickly in this division. This isn't like taking a job, if the two and fifteen Panthers were in the AFC West or the AFC North, I'd be like, heh.


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[Assistant] They're not gonna do anything next year, but man, you can compete right away in the division they're in. Yup.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say Callahan just cause he comes from a track record of, you know, two AFC title games in three years and


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[Assistant] Yeaah, exactly. And I think what they, Brian Burns hitting, uh, possibly hitting free agency, uh, so they have a couple decisions to make, but this isn't a Jim Harbaugh situation where you're a billion dollars over the salary cap and you have to fix a whole mess this offseason. The Panthers aren't in bad shape at all.


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[Assistant] Besides the fact that they don't have that first round pick. So, uh, it'll be interesting to see what they do this offseason.


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[Assistant] It's exciting. Woo. Who knows what's gonna happen. And as noted by Jonathan Jones, the fifth Mexican-American head coach in NFL history, which I feel obligated to mention as- Who's the first? A Mexican-American. I think it was Tom Flores. That's right. With the Raiders. And I think I only know that because-


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[Assistant] And you know, the only reason I know the Flores one is because he was...


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[Assistant] The head coach, his first year as head coach Princeton was 1979. Do you know who the Raiders kicker was during four as his first year as head coach? I'm guessing it was Jim Breach. It was Jim Breach. There you go, man. We just tied it all together. We just tied everything together.


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[Assistant] For the final show of the week from Super Bowl 58, 49ers versus the Chiefs, that's Will Branson. That's John Breach, who, uh, someone just said that is one ugly jacket as they walk by. No argument here. I'm Ryan Wilson, and today, boys, we're doing the Pick 60s!


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[Assistant] If Tyree Kill had been on the 49ers, you guys would be voting for Tyree Kill right now. Alright, next up! Defense Player of the Year.


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[Assistant] And they smoked the Cowboys. Oh boy. Mike McCartney kept his job. Emmett Smith was not happy by that today. If anyone was at Radio Row, he was fired up by that. Alright!


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, we're gonna do MVP right now. That's the most valuable player, Breach, for the Pick 60s. I'm gonna start, and then Brentz is gonna follow, and then we'll let Breach hopefully agree with, uh, the consensus. Just me.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Pick Six Podcast, here live from Las Vegas, beautiful Allegiant Stadium. Breach, that's where the Raiders play during the regular season. On Sunday, Super Bowl 58, 49ers versus the Chiefs. That's gonna be a good game.


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[Assistant] We talk about it all the time. He's, he's the best player outside of the quarterback if we're talking to everybody, Pete, about it. So, uh, Brenton, Devo Samuel.


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[Assistant] That's it for the Hall of Fame debate. We're gonna take a quick break here and when we come back, we're gonna do a little segment we like to call Answering the Bell right here from the Fountains at the Bellagio's who roll 58 right after this.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Fixix Podcast here at the Pound's from the Bellagio. That's Las Vegas, Breach. What do you think?


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[Assistant] You get the pick 60. Well done. All right. I'm going to go with what we have titled the best full name performance by a quarterback. And that came about because when Gino Smith had his breakout season in 2022,


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[Assistant] Is that right? Is that right? Yeah. Is this a prank? Oh, Matt, I was ready to go.


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[Assistant] Welcome back to the Pick Six Podcast, here at the Fountains at the Bellagio. Las Vegas, Nevada, that's the proper way to say it. Breach, Super Bowl 58, 49ers Chiefs. Alright, let's get to it. Gonna run through these pretty quickly so we get our Super Bowl picks in. Brentson, early 2024 MVP before we get to our Super Bowl picks.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with the player who just had his high school renamed after him. Or maybe they'd rename the street in front of the high school. One of the others not important, Brock Purdy, Chandler, Arizona. I'm going with Brock Purdy next year. I think he's gonna have a good Super Bowl. I won't tell you if they'll win. We'll talk about that in a second, but I think he's gonna parlay that into another great season.


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[Assistant] The slow movement of the coaching carousel, right? Uh, usually we would have had most multiple coaches hired by now. I think this was a unique year BMAC and will just because.


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[Assistant] There was eight available jobs, right? So there was a lot of jobs available and it seems like teams are really vying for probably two or three top guys. When you look at we got like Jim Hall ball, is he going to leave the University of Michigan and come back to the NFL? You talked about one other guy, Wilbur and Ben Johnson and.


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[Assistant] Right now, you know, he's been able to do a lot of virtual interviews. He hasn't been able to get to end face, you know, end face interview because


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[Assistant] The Detroit Lions are still in the NFC championship. So I think those are the two cog pieces that I think everybody's waiting to fall. And as soon as those two fall, we'll see like an abundance of hires. Now we already have seen three. We saw Gerard Mayo.


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[Assistant] Brian Callahan go to the Tennessee Titans and then Antonio Pierce, rightfully so, get hired by the Las Vegas Raiders. But I believe when Jim Hallball and Ben Johnson moved, I think we'll see a trickle down effect for the rest of the jobs.


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[Assistant] Well, let's not forget he also had Gino Smith for a year up there in Seattle as the starter, right? When Gino was a Pro Bowl player. So like they saw the development of what Dave Canales can do for a quarterback.


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[Assistant] In regards to people saying that quarterback is maybe lost or done, we saw Geno Smith have a resurgence.


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[Assistant] We saw Baker Mayfield have a resurgence. So you gotta be thinking Dan Morgan bringing in Dave Canales. He's seen him up front and he's seen his work with the Seattle Seahawks. He's thinking, you know, Bryce Young went through a lot last year. Let's see if we can get a guy or a quarterback whisper is you would they would like to say and Dave Canales and bring him over. The only thing is.


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[Assistant] We've talked about this well, is that an attractive job? Right now, again, being like, you know this, it's just like when you're a football player, you did a great comparison or great analogy earlier. It's just like.


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[Assistant] When you have an opportunity to be a head coach, even if the job doesn't look that bright, do you turn it down? Because who knows?


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[Assistant] Opportunities you'll get in the future. It's kind of like that in free agency, like a team that maybe isn't playing that well, they're offering you the most money.


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[Assistant] And if you decide to go back to another team for less money and you don't have the year that you had, that team's not going to be around the quarter next year to offer you that same bag. So it's like coaches have to weigh that now. And I actually talked to Brady about that because.


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[Assistant] When a job is presented to you, you have to really weigh that option as a head coach. And even football players in free agency, you have to weigh that option like, I may not get this, may not get another opportunity to be a head coach. Let me try, even though this isn't the most attractive job, let me go here and see if I can really change the culture, change things around and make this team mine. Because again,


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[Assistant] From year to year, things change and you can be the hottest commodity, next year nobody wants you.


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[Assistant] I don't think so either. To me, I liken it to, like, I wonder how many GMs interviewed for that job and thought, like, there's no way.


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[Assistant] Right, because Tepper has his hand on so many things and I actually was talking to a few of my friends that are scouts and front office guys and


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[Assistant] I was asking this question too, uh, Brenton, cause I thought it was interesting. I was like, let's not forget Scott Finner brought Dan Morgan over there from Buffalo. Like these guys were tight.


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[Assistant] So you're kinda getting a miniature Scott Fennera, right? When you decide to fire Scott.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, elevate Dan Morgan. So I always, I was wondering, I'm like, so are they going to keep the same, you know, scouting staff? Are they going to keep the same front office people? That will be to determine. So I just think it was a scenario where a lot of GMs and to the point we were saying about coaches, the same thing can be said about GM.


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[Assistant] Who knows when you're going to get the opportunity to be a new GM. So even if it is a terrible situation, you might want to pounce on that opportunity. I just think.


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[Assistant] Uh, it might be a little bit of both Brinson where you say maybe temper is finally sort of learned his lesson. He's going to back up just a little bit, right? And let football operations do his thing. That's.


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[Assistant] That's a site that we haven't seen and I'm waiting to see if that actually, you know, happens, right? Because he hasn't done it to this point. Uh, but I also think as far as like viable candidates with so many GM jobs being available too, I wonder how many people were just vying to take that job.


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[Assistant] We're talking about jobs that people don't think are attractive. Let's not forget, Zach Taylor, when he got hired for the Bengals, nobody wanted that job. And look at the overturn he's been able to do over there, right? We're talking about Frank Wright. Look what he did with the coats. Nobody wanted that job. Let's not forget.


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[Assistant] Josh McDaniels turned the job down. So Frank Wright was essentially a filler and he had a lot of success.


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[Assistant] Honestly, BMag, if I'm one of those coaches where nobody wants a job, if I'm playing the odds, I'm taking the job because God's been able to turn programs around and they've been mainstays. Like Frank Wright had a successful career as the coach, coach. Uh, Zach Taylor is still with the Bengals and they've had a lot of success there. I mean, it helps when you get Joe Burrow as well as number one pick in the draft.


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[Assistant] To me, it's a copycat league, and I say that being like you made a great point where he came from. San Francisco. Let's just look at the people that have left San Francisco and become GMs. Adam Peters, right? GM. Martin Mayhew was there.


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[Assistant] XGM. Uhm, let's look at, uh, you were just talking about Rand Karthen. He was there. GM for the Tennessee Titans.


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[Assistant] The San Francisco 49ers have had more success out of anybody in the last couple of years, besides probably the Kansas City Chiefs, right? So if you're the Tennessee ownership, you see Rand Karthen come from this, you've seen how he does his work, his due diligence over this last year. Let's give him more power to be max.


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[Assistant] One of the main issues was between Mike Vrabel and the G.A., and whether it was John Robinson or Rand Cartman, there was supposed issues and a power struggle in regards to certain, you know,


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[Assistant] Decisions made on the roster, right? Now you don't have that option, right? Ray Carpenter is making all the decisions. Your job, Brian Callahan is to come in and coach the team I put on the field. Now again, I'm sure he will consult.


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[Assistant] With Brian Callahan, I don't ran personally. I know we will consult with the head coach. So they are on the same page, but I thought this was a great move. That way you don't have to worry about a private struggle because that's been the issue with the Tennessee Titans for the last few years between the head coach and the GM.


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[Assistant] That's what prepare Anthony Lynn to get the head job for the Chargers because our offense is one of the best pressing offenses.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's what, that's the question Justin Herbert has to ask as the franchise guy, right? Uh, and I'm sure he's in talk with ownership. Uh, now again, I don't know how much juice he has. We've seen.


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[Assistant] For the Chargers, they're looking for a new GM as well. So that's, that's an issue in regards to that. So like, who does he talk to? Does he talk directly to ownership and ask, yo, if they bring in Jim Harbaugh and he brings in Greg Roman, like, what does that mean for my development now? Think.


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[Assistant] Justin Herbert also has to ask himself, if we look at the history of what Jim Harbaugh has done, he wins everywhere he goes. And that's been the biggest knock on


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[Assistant] Justin Herbert, right? Getting it done when it mattered the most in the playoffs, right? Finally went to one playoffs two years ago, ended up losing when they had a significant lead, right? Didn't make the playoffs this last year and got hurt. Has almost every passing record for like a quarterback in the first three or four years of their career.


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[Assistant] But it hasn't equated to wins, right? So you gotta ask yourself if I'm giving a little bit by bringing in Jim Hall ball in, but I get the winning, right? Right. And I don't throw as much and I don't get those crazy numbers.


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[Assistant] Am I all right with that because I'm going to win ultimately. That's the question that he has to ask. Do I want to be great and I have the Gotti passing numbers, but have a chance to win a Superbowl.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to me I pegged them to go there since they won a national championship. To me that would be A for sure.


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[Assistant] Nah, I'mma be who I am. If I'm going down, I'm going down my way. And we saw the physical nature and how it took over in that national championship game.


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[Assistant] First the University of, of Washington. So yeaah, I get what Pete was saying to you, to you, Brenton. He's been saying it for like the last two weeks. If I'm Justin Herbert, I don't know if I'm happy, but it's just like, I think Justin Herbert's already got his bag. He has almost every record first three years in the NFL passing wise, statistic wise.


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[Assistant] Why not, you know, table some of those passing records for actual wins and meaningful games in January and February?


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[Assistant] Scary Terry McClearn and Jahan Dotson over there on that side. So it makes, it makes a lot of sense. But Atlanta, just imagine, uh, BMAC, what Ben Johnson could do with Bijon Robinson and Kyle Pitts. We saw what he did with Sam Laporte and Jameer Gibbs. Just imagine, in a weaker division, the NFC South, Ben Johnson,


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[Assistant] Yeah, him, him getting, you know, Jaden Daniels or potentially even Michael Pennings Jr. in the draft.


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[Assistant] And then also having Jameer Gibbs and Kyle Pitts at tight end, what he could do with that offense. You know they're going to be physical and run the ball and Ben Johnson does that with the Detroit Lions because they have one of the best offensive lines. They have a stable of running backs. Like imagine Ben Johnson with the Falcons. Like that just makes too much sense to me.


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[Assistant] Was that essentially, okay, he was the head coach, so he definitely pushed Tom Brady. But as far as like, they said when Tom Brady came in there, the way he was talking, BMAC, like, he was going up to Robert Kraft as a six round pick and saying, this is the greatest pick you've ever made in your life. Like, I'm gonna be the starter for you.


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[Assistant] Some guys just have it. Like, people will say what they want about Brock Purdy. He was Mr. Irrelevant.


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[Assistant] All the players that I talked to, because that's where I finished my career that were on that team, they said the swag that Brock Purdy had from day one. Like, being back, you know, there's certain players just have it, bro. Like, they just...


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[Assistant] I'm liking it to this, right? I know people will say that, you know, he was the favorite Bill Belichick for the Atlanta job, but now there's rumors that nobody is really vying for his services. And that usually is a telltale side. You know what it is, be back. If nobody else wants you, there's usually an issue or reason why.


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[Assistant] Right, he hasn't really proven that he can develop a first round quarterback. We saw what happened to Mac Jones, even with Bailey Zappi going in there, even a year with Cam Newton, like, and if you look at Bill Belichick without Tom Brady and what his record was when he was with the Browns, it's sub 500, right?


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[Assistant] If I'm Bill Belichick, I'm honestly probably good thinking about retirement, right? And I say this because let's not forget, I think he's 13 away, 13 wins away from the all time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but then there's the other record that he's flirting with too. And that's the most losses as a head coach with the great Tom Landry. So like you go to Atlanta and be like, he has a couple of bad years.


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[Assistant] He might be in a position where nobody ever catches that record and you're known even though you're known as the GOAT, but you also have that record holder as the most losses as a head coach in NFL history. So to me, again, I think.


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[Assistant] Arthur Blank, like you said, is 81. He never thought he'd have a chance at Bell Belichick. So there was a lot of, you know, gravitas with that. And he was like, you know, maybe let me take my shot at Bill Belichick. But now that he sat back and Rich McKeon sat back, I think they realized nobody else is truly


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[Assistant] Like clamoring to get Bill Belichick because that's a patriot way. Is it conducive to the current NFL right now? I don't think so. And I think it'd be tough for Bill Belichick to have success.


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[Assistant] With the Atlanta Falcons, we already talked about, uh, Arthur Smith not getting the best out of Bijon Robertson and Kyle Pitts. I would hate to see, you know, them have another year of that with Bill Belichick at the helm. And that's no disrespect to him. I just think the way he coaches and the way the Patriot way is, is not conducive to the current NFL right now.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think that's what teams have to put into perspective too, right? And Bill Belichick is the ultimate competitor. So I think he would do his best. I just, I don't think his coaching style is conducive to the current NFL.


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[Assistant] Does, like you said, will, does it set you back three or four years because he comes in, right? And you don't get anything accomplished. You win seven or eight games. What does that do for your franchise moving forward? You start off from square one, but you could have just started from square one right now and hired a younger coach that.


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[Assistant] Somebody's gotta take it. I'ma say him or Bobby Slowick. Okay, I like Bobby Slowick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. It seems like that's where it's headed, uh, whenever the Lions season officially ends. Uh, I threw a name out there the other day. We did this segment on HQ Spotlight and it was called Le GM. I was playing GM and naming, naming potential head coaching vacancies.


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[Assistant] Mike McDonald from the Ravens, right? The one thing we know...


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[Assistant] Mike McDaniel has changed the culture around for the Ravens. And it's hard to say that, right? Cause the Ravens already have a culture, but let's not forget before the Roquan Smith trade and before Mike McDonald got there, right? They got rid of their defensive coordinator who ended up going to the Giants and now he's not at the Giants anymore. Wink Martindale.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mike McDonald has rea around. It's the number o number one takeaways and s a young relatable guy. U his interaction with the p they really love him. They I think he really galvanize more specifically on the d


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[Assistant] And we always say this, right? First and foremost, you gotta have a leader of men. You gotta have somebody that those 53 men are willing to follow, right? Everybody wants an offensive guru. That isn't it, right? We saw what Antonio Pierce did with the Vegas Raiders and change.


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[Assistant] You can get an offensive guru as a coordinator, especially with all these guys coming from Sam Fran and naturally like Bobby Slowick and what he's been able to do. Mike McDonough, right? Uhm, so you can get an offensive guru. I think you need to fix that side of the ball. That defensive side of the ball was awful last year.


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[Assistant] I think Mike McDonald, keeping them in the DMV area makes a lot of sense.


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[Assistant] upset even though the Ravens are favorite, I would say is Alliance, right? Uh, just the brand of football they played and what we've seen lately from the 49ers defense, they haven't played to the standard.


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[Assistant] Right, last week, um, verse to Green Bay Packers and the Packers office of Ryan has played amazing the last two weeks, whether it's verse Dallas and shutting down Michael Parsons or verse to 49ers where they didn't give up a sack.


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[Assistant] Right. Javon Hargrave had one nice rush earlier in the game. Didn't see him the rest of the game. Didn't even hear from Chase Young the whole game. So like this Lions offensive line is better than the Green Bay offensive line. Now we'll see what happens with Jonah Jackson. Is he healthy enough to play?


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[Assistant] But I can see this Lions team with the way Aaron Jones was able to run the ball. We saw Jamir Gibbs really come to life in the fourth quarter versus Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I can see that upset before I see, you know, the Chiefs beating the Ravens.


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[Assistant] Well, he picked the Lions with me. I helped him out on that. It was probably the easiest pick as far as covering that week. And I was right. Well, the Ravens moved Texas out. I didn't see that happening, but I knew the Ravens would win that game at least.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the conspiracy theory, you know, with the super bowl colors. Yeah, I think the Ravens and the 49ers are going, man. I just think the Ravens, if you look at Lamar Jackson, he just looks more focused than I ever seen him. And then you hear guys like Roquan Smith and Patrick Queen talk


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[Assistant] That team is just locked in on a different level right now. Like they came out as a different team.


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[Assistant] That second half was the Houston Texans and Lamar was almost on his Optimus Prime. You know, I'll do it myself. So like, the way that Lamar Jackson is playing right now and I know


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[Assistant] It's hard to go against Money Pat Mahomes, but the way this Ravens team seems to just be focused this year and the way that defense and Mike McDonald schemes things up.


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[Assistant] So maybe it's for the best that Josh Harris is in there right now. Uh, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] Milk it out a day, do it on Black Monday when everybody else gets fired, and they didn't do it at midnight like, uh, the Falcons did to Arthur Smith, but Brenton, I think we both know.


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[Assistant] With the Smith thing, that just felt like him blowing his top because he knew his job was, he knew he was getting fires down 48 and 17. I think Arthur Splank made his decision long before that. But it feels like with the commanders, remember this team started the season 2-0 and it was like,


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[Assistant] Oh my god, what if Ramavara turns his team around and they become successful and Josh Harris' first season as owner, uh, and then as we know, the season totally collapsed after that. I think by the bye week, which was in December, they had the latest bye week, they were four and nine.


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[Assistant] And it was pretty clear that Rivera was a dead man walking, he was gonna get fired and that was that. So I think this was probably, the Arthur Smith thing felt like 70-30, he was probably gonna lose his job. This felt like 99% he was gonna lose his job.


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[Assistant] And we've all known this since December. So I would say this is the least surprising firing that will happen in this coaching cycle.


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[Assistant] So a guy literally coaching kind of for three different teams. But the thing is when dance night.


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[Assistant] But what I was gonna say is that look, you knew walking into this situation, I do feel a little bit of empathy for him because of the crappy situation he was in with Dan Snyder.


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[Assistant] There were their investigations. Snyder got fined $10 million during, or more than that. I mean...


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[Assistant] It was an ugly situation, but when you take a job with Dan Snyder, you know that's what you're walking into. So it's hard to feel sorry for someone who said, you know what? I'm going to deal with it. I think I can fix this. And I also think that it hurt Rivera that he made the playoffs in his first year as coach, which was completely out of nowhere. No one was expecting that. He wins the NFC East.


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[Assistant] Cause that point it was like, Oh my God, this guy can deal with the drama. He can fix this team. And then they just never.


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[Assistant] We're able to get anywhere near that. Yes, they did go 8-8-1, uh, last season in 2022, but the Cowboys' Needles are so good that that didn't mean anything. And, you know, I think if Ron Rivera had gone 9-8 this year,


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[Assistant] Or maybe even 8-9, somewhere close to 500. He probably doesn't get fired, but you can't go 4-13 as you just mentioned, uh, 2-13 over the final 15 games, end of the season on an 8-game losing streak. Uh, so, and again, like you said, Josh Harris spent $6 billion and we mentioned that Rick Spielman, our guy Rick Spielman.


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[Assistant] Rick Spielman will be helping out with the hiring process. He'll be advising, uh, Josh Harris along with Bob Myers, the former Warriors general manager. Is he a Warriors general manager? Yeah. Warriors GM. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And I'm sure Harris thought, uh, you have some teams that will bring in the search firm who are not NFL people who come in and crunch the numbers and say, oh, you should hire this guy.


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[Assistant] And Harris thought why would I hire a search firm when I can basically Spielman and Myers are his search firm. I've got this guy who has an amassed wealth of football knowledge in Spielman. I have this guy who's won multiple championships in his sport and can think outside the box.


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[Assistant] So it does make sense that this is not a full-time thing, that this, they're basically serving as his search firm. And I think if this works, we'll see other teams do it because NFL is a copycat league. If, if, if Spielman and, uh, Myers.


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting to see if Josh Harris just says, you know, I want to make a big splash, which would be trading for Belichick or.


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[Assistant] Going after Jim Harbaugh, uh, cause you've got all this money and you're going to be in your first real full year calendar year of owning the team. And is this the guy you want to bring in? And like you just said, that's important because you cannot hire your general manager first.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, so I think this will come down to, uh, uh, you know, I'm sure...


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[Assistant] Uh, Bob Myers, Rick Spielman will talk with Josh Harris about the ins and outs of, hey, you bring in a guy like Belichick, this is what your front office structure's going to look like. Bring in a guy like Carbaugh, this is what's gonna have to happen. Or you can bring in someone who's not as heavy handed as those two, uh, and, and


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I would think that is an open pipeline and you're going to take advantage of it and you see where that takes you and then you look at the other candidates because I think if you're looking at someone like Ben Johnson,


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[Assistant] That you're thinking, ah, let's bring in offensive-minded guys. The other part is, you don't even know who your quarterback's gonna be. You don't know for sure, uh, if Sam Howell's still gonna be there.


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[Assistant] But that's, I mean, yeaah, you have the number two overall pick so you can look at drafting quarterbacks, but that's another thing to consider with giving a guy full power or how you're going to do this is that your future hinges a lot on this draft.


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[Assistant] And you don't want someone to come in and whiff in their first draft because that would be a total disaster. So, uh, yeah, but definitely Ben Johnson, I would think would be someone they would talk to.


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[Assistant] Real quick, for instance, to interrupt you, we started talking about the Ben Johnson stuff at 10 31. At 10 33 Eastern Time, Tom Palacero


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[Assistant] He's already on your staff as an offensive coordinator. I wonder how much the team liked him and if that's someone they would consider.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's not, the sacks aren't the enemy's fault, like his offense isn't gonna work if the QB's getting sacked on every play, so I think there is...


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[Assistant] It's kind of, but also, you know, BNME could call different plays so their QB is not getting sacked as often. So it's kind of a.


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[Assistant] His Miami, Ohio hero, Frank Smith, who is now the offensive coordinator with the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] That'd be another interesting name to call. I think the other thing you have to figure out is do you want to go with the defensive guy and offensive guy or just, you know, the,


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[Assistant] The CEO type. Yeah, the CEO type. So, I think that's the thing you figured out first before you make dire.


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[Assistant] And one thing I'll throw out just because we mentioned the Lions interviews and because of what happened last year with Jonathan Gannon and the Eagles and that feels like it's a feud that


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[Assistant] Putting together this defensive game plan for the Super Bowl is that the Lions, if Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn decide to interview with the commanders, they cannot do it until the Tuesday after their wild card game. So that would be January 16th. That'd be the earliest and it would be a virtual interview.


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[Assistant] Uh, if he does, I don't think it will be in 2024. So I think he's going to be out this year. And unless you're in a spot where you need, he's got that comforting, like, I understand why teams bring him in. He's a steadying hand. If there is a team in that situation, I could see him getting one, but I would say I'd lean no. I'd say like 60-40 no.


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[Assistant] I ultimately think that this goes back to the Germany game against the Indianapolis Colts. I think that's where we start. Where the page, where RobberCraft was like, okay, this is where we're going.


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[Assistant] I think that was the first true notion that they were going to move on. That was a game where he spoke to the team leading up to it, was telling a lot of people he really wanted to win this game. And you could talk about it from a marketing standpoint, you know, Patriots going internationally.


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[Assistant] There was an emphasis for Robert Kraft in that game and the Patriots looked awful. They benched Mack Jones for a two minute drill for Bailey Zappi for really no reason. It made, you know, it was just a very poor decision game by Bill Belichick. And ultimately I think that was where it struck the end. Fast forward to now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you also do have to look at it from a business standpoint because Robert Kraft and Jonathan Kraft, this is a business, this is the family business, and I think he-


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[Assistant] And I, but I also think, you know, just talking about this departure, I think that they're learning and taking a page out of what they're starting to do with Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Bill Belichick in the crafts and the Patriots organization, yes, today is the day that he is no longer the head coach.


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[Assistant] But there's a partnership to be made here going forward. They're going to continue to make money together. Going back on the glory days and hoodie logos and things like that. We're seeing that now with Brady. So.


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[Assistant] You know, as much as we're saying, okay, this is, you know, a bitter divorce. I think part of it is over this last few weeks is to try not to make it a bitter divorce, to try to make it as palatable as possible because there is going to be a working relationship.


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[Assistant] With Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft and this organization going forward in some capacity again, not from a football operation standpoint.


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[Assistant] But from a lack of a better word, a mascot, there's going to be statues. There's going to be Bill Belichick days. There's going to be rings of honor and things like that. There's going to be marketing around Bill Belichick's time with the Patriots over the rest of time. And so to really kind of sully that.


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[Assistant] I don't know if he does the advisor or anything like that. I don't, I don't see that. I think once Bill Belichick's done, I actually think he's done. I think he wants the record and then he's going to dip. And maybe if he's on a team that is contending for a super bowl, then sure you stick around. But you know, if it's, if it's just to get the record and things aren't looking too good.


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[Assistant] Why can't I bang that out and beat Shula? Atlanta's on the landing spots list. Again, the quarterback's a big question, but for a dude that stinks at drafting skill position players, they're on there. You have Kyle Pitch, you have Drake Lund, you have Bijan Robinson. The Chargers certainly make a lot of sense just strictly because they have Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] Washington has been a sexy name over the last few years. Josh Harris, the new ownership group. They always, anytime a new owner comes in, they love to make huge splashes. Belichick would certainly qualify as one of those. The other one,


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[Assistant] Is if I'm Bill Belichick this weekend, I am putting on my cheese head right directly on my hood and I am rooting for the Green Bay Packers. Because if they upset the Dallas Cowboys, that instantly becomes my number one destination if they oust Mike McCarthy. For sure, that's what I'm looking at.


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[Assistant] No, I think you're right. I think it's, I think he might be the first domino to fall outside of maybe... Jim Harville.


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[Assistant] Panthers, I don't think. Right. So like those spots could get filled and it doesn't really move the needle at all. So, but if...


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[Assistant] All of a sudden, you know, the, the charger's job gets filled, the variable goes there or what have you. Okay. I think there's a little bit more of an emphasis for Belichick, but I do think you kind of wait and see what else might open up, especially as you mentioned, you know, maybe pass the divisional round, but.


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[Assistant] Outside of that, I think he looks for his next spot. And I think that that might've been a little bit of the delay here too, with Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft.


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[Assistant] Is there a world where they maybe could have traded Bill Belichick? Maybe they explored that for a minute and decided, you know what, actually let's just part ways because it's just easier for everybody.


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[Assistant] Give me a coach that is great without great players. I mean, you know, there's very few and far between. You need great players. And Bill Belichick will tell you that. I will guarantee you when he does his press conference at noon.


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[Assistant] He's going to talk a lot about players. He's going to talk a lot about the great players that he coached and he's only been able to accomplish what he's been able to accomplish because he's had great players. He said that a million times. So, you know, there, there is a little bit of, all right, give the guy his flowers for a little bit because he is, as you mentioned, hard stop.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and for me, you know, just to kinda take the big macro view of the Belichick era, you gotta look at where the Patriots were, and again, it's the same stuff that we talk about with Brady, but look at where the Patriots were when he arrived.


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[Assistant] They were a laughing stock. They were one of the worst teams in the NFL, not just for that like given season, but historically were a horrid franchise. Robert Kraft comes in, purchases the team. They hire, he hires Bill Belichick or trades for Bill Belichick, however you want to call it.


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[Assistant] They obviously dropped off Tom Brady and they're off to the races and they become...


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[Assistant] One of the blue bloods of the NFL. It's very hard to become a blue blood in any sort of...


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[Assistant] They're only up there, the Patriots are, because of what Bill Belichick was able to orchestrate.


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[Assistant] Well, if you're looking at the all-time, I do think that they count post-season. Playoff. Where, where Shula is 347, Belichick 333. Yeah. Needs 14 wins to tie him.


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[Assistant] Up until yesterday, the last coach the Patriots fired and the last coach the Seahawks had fired had been Pete Carroll.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's wild. And now it's Bill Belichick, or at least parted ways, however you want to caveat it.


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[Assistant] Let's go walk away from CBS Sports. It does seem like all the old timers are kinda, you know, going away. Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Bill Belichick, Pete Prisco. Who's to say?


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[Assistant] Is it, are we gonna let the GM run the organization and then pick his head coach? Or is it going to be kind of, uh, cause Andy Reid kind of runs Kansas City, but you know, there's obviously GMs there.


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[Assistant] Well, that's the next question. I actually think this is a very interesting pivotal period in the...


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[Assistant] As much as we talk about, okay, Bill Belichick stepping down and moving on, and this is kind of the end of the dynasty, that third pillar is Robert Kraft.


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[Assistant] Jonathan Kraft is starting to get more and more of a voice inside that organization and this would seem like a natural period where he kind of gains a little bit more power, gains a little bit more sway, has control because at some point


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[Assistant] He's going to be the owner. He's going to be the guy that's making the shots and calling the shots for the organization. This could be one of those moments where I think we see Jonathan Kraft.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's the key piece is we kinda take these first baby steps in the post Belichick era. I think you mentioned the two names though. Gerard Mayo, if they wanna keep things in-house, and you gotta remember, you know, last offseason, the Patriots came out with an unprecedented statement after another down year.


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[Assistant] Where they were saying we're going into contract negotiations to extend Gerard Mayo. They didn't even announce the extension for Gerard Mayo. They announced that they were in conversations to extend him.


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[Assistant] I think that they could, they still view Gerard Mayo as someone who could be their head coach. Now I do think that they should be diligent in their approach. I do think that they should look into a guy like Meg Grable. I think they should look at guys outside of the organization. Depending on which way they want to go.


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[Assistant] This is the other thing too, I mentioned the GM part of this.


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[Assistant] But what is Robert Kraft, what does Jonathan Kraft want from this organization? Does he, do they want a?


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[Assistant] or do they want to bring in a veteran quarterback and try to contend in 2024? Because those things kind of change the equation of what you would want in a head coach. If you decide that we want to draft a quarterback with the number three overall pick, or we're going to trade up into the top two to take either Caleb Williams or Drake May,


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[Assistant] Maybe you want Bobby Slawick, the offensive coordinator, and a young guy that showed that he could work with a young quarterback in C.J. Stroud.


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[Assistant] If that's the road you go down, maybe you do something like that with him or Ben Johnson in Detroit. That's something that you have to think about.


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[Assistant] If you want a little bit more continuity, Mike Rabel, Gerard Mayo, that's certainly possible.


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[Assistant] Now, if you're Mike Vrabel, if you're TheRobCraft and you go for Mike Vrabel,


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[Assistant] You run the risk of looking kind of weird with Draud Mayo because you really did kind of promise it, you know, in so uncertain terms, you've promised him this job. And now if all of a sudden Mike Grable becomes available and you just jumped to him, you do run the risk of a little bit of bad publicity, bad press there with Draud Mayo.


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[Assistant] That's the big question, right? And so you have to think about it this way. Gerard Mayo is the linebackers coach of the New England Patriots. He's not the defensive coordinator. He's never held that title. He's the de facto defensive play caller. But if you could sell him on, hey,


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[Assistant] But maybe that works for only a year. And if the Patriots defense is good in 2024, is that dude gone in 2025? And is that something the Patriots want? This is the, the kind of the problem with hiring a defensive minded head coach. You know, this is what I look out for the offense.


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[Assistant] I'm concerned if they bring in a guy like Grable or Mayo, that they bring in a hot shot or, you know, hopefully a hot shot offensive coordinator. Well, typically that dude's gone in a year and whatever quarterback you drafted or brought in, he's dealing with a new offensive coordinator, which in history shows us has been a death sentence to these guys in their development. So.


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[Assistant] You have to be smart in your approach. I personally would like an offensive guy. As much as there's ties to Brable and Mayo, I would like an offensive minded head coach because I don't want to go through the wringer of bringing in new offensive coordinators year in and year out.


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[Assistant] I mean, McDaniels isn't in play, right? No, I don't believe so. I think we're, if we're talking about McDaniels in play, OC for wherever Bill Valachek goes.


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[Assistant] If I had to choose for Bill Belichick, if I had my, uh, first of all it's Dallas, but let's just throw Dallas out. That to me is the one that I want. I love the craft Jerry Jones ownership rivalry that could emerge there. I just, that to me is...


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[Assistant] You hit all of those, those great notes. I like the chargers.


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[Assistant] Because for two reasons, one, I just think you align yourself with the best quarterback available. That just makes all the sense in the world. The other reason is that the Patriots host the Chargers in 2024. So that is what I would very much like. And just for reference, I have it right in front of me. The Patriots just, you know, for what it's worth.


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[Assistant] So looking forward, that's, that's, that's awesome. Awesome stuff.


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[Assistant] That's Will Brinson. I'm Ryan Wilson and this is Sunday Night Super Friends. Christmas night into the day after Christmas, which I think they call Boxing Day Harry. If you ever lived in England, you would know that. Week 16 NFL recap 2023 edition.


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[Assistant] All right, we're going to talk about our top 10 takeaways like we always do for week 16 this time, a week that started Breach with Jake Brown and going to Pittsburgh and doing what turned out to be his best black 30 invitation.


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[Assistant] And the week ended in Santa Clara with the actual Brock Purdy throwing 400 receptions to get to Raven's team. That for the time being anyway, it looks like the best team on planet earth after that comprehensive win, uh, to conclude the Monday night triple header.


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[Assistant] We can sorta hear that. That was, that was, yea, Breach just had a, Breach just had a tough few days here. But hey, Happy Quest is all on you.


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[Assistant] It feels like it was like two years ago. Uh, I'm sure that Jake Browning, it feels like it was two days ago. All right, Breach. Let's start with you here. Is this Ravens win? You're a Bengals homer. I'm a Steelers homer. The best win of the season for any team given the timing, the fact that it was on the road and the playoff implication.


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[Assistant] That's our, uh, that's our Super Bowl pool. The Rave is sort of the number two pick. I mean...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying that I don't think they're, I don't know if they're flying, like people knew they were good.


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[Assistant] And the 49ers had that three game losing streak when everyone was hurt and pretty heavy concussion, started the Browns game in bad weather, then the Vikings game, the zero blitz at halftime, yada, yada, yada. And then your Bengals were just coming back with Joe Burrow and looked to be the part and they played lights out since then. I feel like sort of the support with Brenton Sain here, there aren't any.


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[Assistant] Recent losses you can point to like, oh, see, this is why I have the concerns about the Ravens. Even the Lions feel like, okay, look, these guys play hard for 45 minutes and 15 minutes every Sunday. They're going to give up 40 points. It feels like.


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[Assistant] I don't feel like they've coughed up a ton of lead. I know there's some, you want to push back about Harbaugh late game and in the fourth quarter they would have some wheels fall off.


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[Assistant] They lost that Steelers game because Zay Flowers dropped 40 passes and then Joey Porter Jr. Caught a red zone, an end zone touchdown.


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[Assistant] So like that Steelers loss was, you can't even explain that on, in human terms. That sort of feels like what happened with the property tonight. So Brenton, let me, uh, give you some results here from the 2023 season and then we'll draw some conclusions, conclusions together here. So, uh, the Cowboys lost to the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] Bill's lost to the Patriots. What planet was that? The Eagles lost to the Seahawks with my guy Andrew Steven Locke.


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[Assistant] She's lost to the Raiders. Again, what are we doing? The Dolphins lost to the Titans. Shout out producer Harry and the Ravens lost to the Steelers and Browns as we talked about here. How much do you want to overreact to the way Brock Purdy and everyone was healthy for the beginning of this game. Trent Williams came out late. Brock Purdy came out with about half the fourth quarter to go. How much do you want to overreact about what this means for the next month?


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[Assistant] Let's play, let's play a little game here. Uh, over under on, since Princeton knows that like EPA now will do expected points added for the quarterback performances from this week. Over under, so is Bailey, uh, Bailey's absolutely number one. Is Brock Purdy above or below in terms of expected points added for his team? Then Bailey's happy. Uh, hello. He is below. All right.


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[Assistant] He's below, reaches 2-1-0. All right, let's get started here.


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[Assistant] So, uh, the only people that are actually below the aforementioned Brock party, Aiden O'Connell, Case Keenum, Sam Howell, who has also benched in DTR, he came in for Aiden.


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[Assistant] This is how poorly, and again, we've said this, this is all on Brock Purdy, but he's not a front runner and whatever. It's hard to win, as Brenton noted, but he had a truly terrible week.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow vs. TJ Watts situation or does it feel differently than that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Breach, I think you would agree that Kyle Shanahan has a bigger piano in his back than Lamar does in terms of postseason play.


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[Assistant] Alright, Breach, I'm gonna come back to you. Uhm, when you, you were a little late to the podcast because you were doing HQ, you were extremely rude to Harry, who, by the way, won his fantasy league.


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[Assistant] And do you want to take this opportunity to apologize to Harry and the Dolphins because everyone except me and producer Harry doubted the Dolphins. I had a huge win. You guys call it the fraud bowl.


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[Assistant] I went back and watched it this morning cause we had family over last night. I thought it was a great game. I think part of the issue is when you fast forward through games and you don't listen to all the chit chat in between, it's actually a little different experience. I actually enjoyed it. I thought both teams are really good teams and Princey sort of mentioned this.


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[Assistant] Before we started the pod, and it was a tight game between two playoff teams who are sort of the Spider-Man meme. Does that sound about right, Breach?


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[Assistant] Why are you not giving credit to Dan Quinn and the defense though?


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[Assistant] Let me, let me, let me ask you to rank this. Which team, right now, at 1229 Eastern Time, 11, it's still Christmas or Breaches by the way, which is weird. Right now, which teams do you feel better about? Rank them. San Francisco, Miami, Dallas.


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[Assistant] Yeah, who cares? That was Breach's first overall pick, so we're fine there. They're gonna lose in the first round. I don't think anyone thinks they're gonna win three on the road.


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[Assistant] But I, I don't, I think you're, Breach, do you agree that you feel the same about the, I feel a lot better about the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, it'll switch. But I mean, it's like that every week. So for now, I want to enjoy it. But I mean, we just talked about being worried about the 49ers because Brock Purdy is the pumpkin and they can't play from behind, but you feel way, way, way better about the, I mean,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but like you said, that's it. I'm not gonna, that doesn't matter. If Trent Williams doesn't play, that's a huge problem. Alright, Breach, before we move on.


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[Assistant] That's a, there's your YouTube short right there, Harry.


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[Assistant] Alright, we'll talk- Oh man, just clip it right there, don't even- We'll talk about, uh, Justin Tucker, uh, never. Moving on, Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] Can't Save the Chiefs. That's Producer Harry's headline. And uhm, great news for- Producer Harry's-


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[Assistant] The great news about this Chief's loss is that Mark Davis better hire Antonio Pierce.


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[Assistant] There's nothing else great coming out of it for Kansas City. So, uh, Brenton, is this the end of an era? Is this just a rough patch? Is it going to circle back next year? Are they going to make a run now? I don't know what to make of this team because they are all sorts of messed up. And it starts with the reenactment of the 2006 Patriots in which Tom Brady had no one to throw the ball to. I feel like that's what Patrick at home is up to.


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[Assistant] Right, this feels like a team that didn't start 2 and 4, or whatever they started a few years ago, and I kept worrying about them, and as Brentson noted, they were gonna get red hot, and they did. Cause there are no...


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[Assistant] To paraphrase Rick Pitino, you know, Larry Bird ain't walking through that door. It's called the wide receiver.


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[Assistant] The tall and short of it. I think that's what it comes down to. The opposite line of struggle too. The tackles haven't been very good. And that's obviously a concern. But if guys aren't getting open, I mean, guys aren't getting open. All right. We'll be plenty of time to talk about.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so hopefully Mark Davis just takes the lab. Don't!


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[Assistant] Fighting Joe Flackos, uh, one of the best teams in the AOC. They're 10 and 5, which is crazy town USA.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they're two games better in, in, on the, in the score sheet, the record column than the Jacksonville Jaguars to the number four seed, but they're top to AFC South. So that's why they're one spot ahead of them. I said, maybe for two weeks now that I think that the Browns are going to win a playoff game.


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[Assistant] They were beating the pants off of the CJ Stroudless Texans and they were up.


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[Assistant] Thirty-six to seven in the fourth quarter before, uh, Texas got a few touchdowns there to get it, make it relatively close.


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco makes the Browns a legit contender to the tune of one playoff win? One plus playoff wins? Where are you on Joe Flacco and the Browns?


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[Assistant] And he's not as mobile, but he's probably a better, smarter quarterback.


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[Assistant] So, to back up Breach's uh, quick math there. Again, looking at our buddies at True Media. In terms of Week 16, Joe Flacco is third in terms of EPA.


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[Assistant] He was six in first downs per pass attempts. He was fantastic against the Blitz. I mean, it goes on and on and it just, uh, portends good things. All right, let's get going here. Producer Harry is at his in-laws. He has things that he's got to make breakfast. So he's got to get up early tomorrow. We don't want to keep him too late. All right, Brenton.


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[Assistant] We talked, yeaah, we talked about this, uh, earlier in the show just because we were touching on the dolphins and the old cowboys there.


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[Assistant] Producer Harry is still leaning into this. Cowboys exclamation point, we'll lose the wild card game exclamation point. Do you agree with producer Harry on that? I will say that they're three and five this year.


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[Assistant] What's the Brenton percentage? What's that? What's the Brenton percentage on that? 100. Oh boy.


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[Assistant] Yep. Nope. I agree with the producer, Harry, by the way, just to reiterate, uh, breach again, had Dallas going in the first round. Well, we had our, uh, Superbowl draft, uh, last week. So did Pete grab the box later? He got him in the fourth round. That was his last.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, where are we on Todd Bowles? I mean, I think Baker, I think Jonathan Jones reported this as well, but it sounds like there's mutual interest from both sides in Tampa Bay, which makes sense. And Brenton, you sort of touched on this. Like you can go out and get your young quarterback or in this case trade for Deshaun Watson, but DTR, trade Lance, whomever, sometimes the old timer.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm gonna take a quick break when we come back, uh, I'm gonna give Brentson a fun fact about this Lions team that will absolutely blow your mind right after this.


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[Assistant] Uh, I just got Kevin on January 11th. Thanks for asking. You're getting one?


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, producer Nada said, listen, once you get one, no matter how stupid the first one is, you sort of start doing it. And I was like, yeah, you're right.


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[Assistant] Who limped their way to the victory over, oh my gosh, Nick Mullins. I don't know. I joked on Twitter or as you call it, Breach X. How many pick sixes did Josh Dobbs have to throw in practice for Kevin O'Connor? Like, you know what? Nick Mullins is going to be our guy. I think Sean Manning, uh, eventually made an appearance. Uh, the, the Lions won that game.


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[Assistant] Bretson, the fun fact or the not so fun fact, uhm,


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[Assistant] This Lions defense was good for a while and it feels like they think it's 2022 and week 16 against Nick Mullen and the Vikings in general.


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[Assistant] They gave up 11 plays on defense of 20 or more yards. 11. That was the worst in the NFL by a large margin. Number 2 were the Ravens who gave up 7. Uh, Brock Pretty got some chunk plays early on. I think Samuel had some late, but they almost doubled that up.


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[Assistant] I feel like that's a concern and producer Harry's exclamatory statement to you is the Lions will make the NFC title game. I'm a little nervous.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I mean, that's, I don't disagree with that, but I don't know if Dan Campbell had this team believing that they were going to feed it.


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[Assistant] Okay, so it's close in that sense, but I think that's a team you put away.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm gonna hammer. Rams are playing well, but yeah, they'll be favored.


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, and, well, let's talk about it. Let's go right to it. NFC Playoff Picture Time. And we'll start, we'll keep this conversation going. And,


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[Assistant] Let's do 5, 6, and 7. Right now it's Cowboys at 5.


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[Assistant] All those teams I would imagine are teams that you don't feel like facing if you are the Eagles, the Lions.


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[Assistant] Tampa Bay and whatever, or you feel like all those teams are actually good team. You want the Vikings, the Falcons, or the Packers to make the play or the saints, you know, if God is really looking upon you as a team to host a playoff game.


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[Assistant] Just the ones that are inside. So you got the Rams, Dallas, Seattle. That's your ranking. Perfect. Do you agree with that?


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[Assistant] Hey Breach, before we move on, let me ask you then I'll ask Princeton, are you comfortable with the top 7 in the NFC or do you want to add somebody and kick somebody out?


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[Assistant] Oh, hold on. Let me apologize for breach. I didn't update my thing. My bad breach.


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[Assistant] All Gino can do is get hot. All Gino does is get really hot.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go to the AFC. Uh, Breach 5 is Cleveland, 6 is Buffalo, 7 is Indianapolis. Let's start at the bottom here. Any teams you want to swap in or out? Are you comfortable with where we are here?


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[Assistant] Baltimore's a lock. I'm sorry, producer Harry. I don't think next week's going to matter. Baltimore's a lock at number one. And then after that, it's sort of a name.


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[Assistant] No, and if CJ comes back and he's actually rested and maybe a little healthier, because they play with a little spark at the end of that game. Any chance CJ Shroud doesn't want to work either? Well, we'll see what old Pooko keeps doing.


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[Assistant] Can't stop, won't stop. So, I mean, here's the thing, man. Like, Jaguars, huge question. The Chiefs, huge question. I have fewer questions about the Browns and the Bills than I do about the two thieves above them. That's whack. What if the Jaguars missed the playoffs?


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[Assistant] Uh, let's see, after Sunday, before Monday, the three headed playoff, uh, three headed game in which the Raiders beat the Chiefs in Kansas City. So before, uh, after Sunday, excuse me, the Raiders had a 1.7% chance to make the playoffs and after everything transpired on Sunday,


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[Assistant] Monday, excuse me, good lord, including the Raiders beating the Chiefs, they're up to 12.3%, uhm, just for completion breach, my Steelers are 14%, and your Bengals are 22%, so I'm saying there's a chance. Alright, Brinson, do you have your Brinson VP ready, or should we circle back?


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[Assistant] You can go all the way back to that Steelers whooping on the, on the bingles. Nobody wants to hear about a game from Saturday.


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[Assistant] You're stealing Breach's line. He said they're going to the Super Bowl three weeks ago.


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[Assistant] I can write about it a lot, Breach, except for what was going to happen Saturday night. Which brings me back to Saturday night.


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[Assistant] Do you guys, uh, you guys know Gina Smith? Christian name, right? Eugene. Cyril. Smith. The third.


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[Assistant] And that third is important, Breach, because when you came to Hinesfield on Saturday night, you were reintroduced to a young man named Brett Mason Rudolph, the third that he's a third Brett Mason Rudolph, the third.


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[Assistant] So Brett Mason Rudolph III gets a shout out. He gets the Wilson game ball. And who else gets an ancillary game ball? George Pickens. Anybody else in the office?


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[Assistant] You hate to see it. How was it like watching that game breach? How'd that make you feel?


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[Assistant] This is the Pic Six Podcast and this is Sunday Night Super Friends. That's Will Brinson.


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[Assistant] Breach, I'm Ryan Wilson, and this is Sunday Night Super Friends Week 15, NFL recap 2023 edition. Remember Breach, if you know how to use a computer over there, give us a thumbs up. If you're watching on the old youtube.nfl on CBS, and of course subscribe wherever you get your podcasts so you never miss a show.


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[Assistant] You know, the deal boys going to hit our top 10 takeaways from week 15, which has been the week of blowouts, starting with what the Raiders perpetrated against the old chargers on Thursday night, cost some folks their job, but we're going to start in Buffalo where everyone but Ken Dorsey is still employed. The bills are back, baby. Josh Allen was quietly having a lights out season when the team was struggling.


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[Assistant] And now the rest of the office is caught up starting with the old resurgent run game there. Shout out James Cook. The Bills are now eight and six, have beaten the Chiefs and Cowboys in back to back weeks. And suddenly their schedule looks a lot easier.


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[Assistant] I'll repeat what I said on this podcast three weeks ago, Breach, and only me!


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[Assistant] This team is making the playoffs and they could very well end up winning the division.


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[Assistant] Hey, let me follow up on that, because I think you're right. I think it is a Ken Dorsey thing, maybe, and I think... Who called that game?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it was Greg Olson. So he said that and what he also said was that they're running the ball a lot more, which brings us back to James Cook. If you're listening, there's a beautiful graphic of James Cook on the screen here. And Breach, I'll point this out to you and then you can take it any direction you want. Cause you are celebrating like Jake Brown and just got cut by Rick Spielman. So at week 15.


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[Assistant] The Bills had the best rushing EPA in the, uh, in the week, in the NFL team. Week 12 against the Eagles, they had their Biden and they played last week. They were 23rd. So they're moving in the right direction with the run game. The balance is there and Josh Allen is still really, really good.


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[Assistant] No Micahide, no AJ and Vanessa, and something else I'll point out quickly about the run game, uh, to follow up on what we're talking about here.


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[Assistant] Number one, they're playing the Cowboys defense, which ain't messing around. That defense I had higher expectations for in this game. 42% of their rushing attempts in week 15 in this game against the Cowboys came versus eight in the box. That was the best in week, week 15 among any, any rushing team.


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[Assistant] 22 rushes of 5 plus yards, which is 45% of their total rushing attempts, also number one. Again, every time James Cook got the ball in his hands, it was a wrap. And I think that speaks volumes to what we're talking about in terms of the balance, in terms of what Brenton mentioned, in terms of taking the pressure off Josh Allen, because we have seen him press before.


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[Assistant] Where you'll get four touchdowns, but three turnovers. And if you're not seeing that, this team remains incredibly dangerous.


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[Assistant] I was doing my ventriloquist act, you fell for it.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, speaking of teams that are bad on the road, Breach, what do you make of, is this just a...


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[Assistant] Uh, vestige of the first half of the season, are things going to change or is this a real concern? Cause the bills, uh, unless there's a miracle happening, probably won't get home field advantage throughout. They're two and five on the road. So what are we making of that?


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[Assistant] I was thrown off by that hypothetical there. Yeah, it's the Bills. I mean, let's be real. And the thing is this, so explain, explain to me this because we'd like to make excuses collectively, everybody, the Royal Wee. Injuries are why this team isn't playing well. Pick your team. Well, this team was banged up as all get out on defense and they were flying. It felt like Dak Prescott had a half a second to throw every time he dropped back. How do you explain that breach since you can see into the future?


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[Assistant] The Bills look like the best team in the AFC according to John Sonoma Breach.


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[Assistant] But are they the best team in the AFC, John Espreich? That is a good question.


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[Assistant] Because Lamar Jackson is an MVP for his team, and we can argue whether Josh Allen is an MVP as well. He'll be in that conversation, but it feels like the Ravens go as Lamar goes, and we quietly don't mention that defense being so good.


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[Assistant] Oh, I was going to ask you, who are your three MVP candidates right now? Top three. Kickers not allowed.


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[Assistant] I know Cheeseman's off your list after the way he snapped the ball today in Washington.


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[Assistant] Area man predicts another area man will name favorite as MVP favorite. Well, we're trying to get the MVP Purdy conversation. Uh, so here's the pushback and Brinson talked about this last week and you mentioned our little chat that we do before the games that brought Purdy is the fifth best player in that team. And I actually really wouldn't push back on that. I will agree with that, but tell me what you think of this breach.


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[Assistant] He's the fifth best player in that team, but he is the most important player in that team because without him and Kyle Shanahan has said this, that the offense runs through him because he does everything that Kyle wants him to do. We saw Sam Dornal come in and throw a few air balls. That doesn't mean anything. Sam Dornal hasn't practiced in three years, basically.


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[Assistant] Brock Pardee is my MVP as well. Make your case for Brock Pardee since you're wearing red.


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[Assistant] So Breach, a couple things. You mentioned the over 9 yards per attempt. Uh, for week 15,


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[Assistant] Uh, Brock Purdy sadly finished second at 9.4 yards per attempt. Number one was the hysterically awesome Baker Mayfield at 13.6. And I mentioned that because Baker Mayfield becomes the first person


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[Assistant] In human civilization to get a perfect passer rating in Lambeau field, which I find hysterical, but getting back- As a visiting quarterback. As a visiting quarterback, thank you for that clarification. I'm sure that Brett Barb and Aaron Rodgers and Lynn Dickey, my guy, did it back in the day. But getting back to Brock, a couple things.


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[Assistant] The craziest throw he made that I saw live, I look forward to going back and watching him, was there's a, he got blitzed, there was a hot route, he threw right behind the hot route to George Kittle on a slant, he got hit in the face and George Kittle ran like for 40 yards or something. It was just one of those plays that you don't notice it until you sort of pay attention and it's just him


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[Assistant] Another thing I'll mention about Brock Purdy, the sort of follow up reaches point with the yards per attempt being incredibly high and making him, uh, the favorite for MVP, at least historically.


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[Assistant] In terms of EPA per drop back, Brock was number one this week. Uh, in terms of EPA per drop back, when rushed by five, he was number two. Uh, success rate, this offense passing wise is more successful than any other offense. Second, of course, you're Tampa Bay Buccaneer. So again, this, this offense is, is clicking in a high level.


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[Assistant] Brinson, where are you on your MVP vote there? Are you going the way of me and me and Breach?


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[Assistant] All right, let's take a quick break when we come back. We're going to talk about, as producer Harry calls him, the cardiac Cleveland Believlin Browns, right after this, boys.


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[Assistant] Joe Flacco did it in January 2013 or February 2013 in New Orleans. We were there. We were there. Godly, that was over a decade ago.


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[Assistant] That season and Joe Flacco won. Joe Flacco was sitting on his mom's couch a month ago and Joe Flacco is currently winning. Tough start. First three quarters weren't great. It don't matter because the fourth quarter is all that matters when you're talking about comeback Joe. Now listen.


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[Assistant] I'm going to start with the loser. I don't like to do this, but sweet mercy live. Darnell Moody, catch the ball in the end zone. Robert Tanya, don't drop a 73 yard touchdown pass, it's in the hands. Whatever the Browns, a win is a win. As my buddy who's a Browns fan pointed out to me, the Browns had plenty of bad luck. They can, the Bears can deal with it.


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[Assistant] So this team is 95. The number five seed is all but locked up. They're not going to move up.


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[Assistant] I don't think they're winning the division. And I contend, Brinson, they're winning the playoff game.


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[Assistant] Some of the throws he made in that fourth quarter were in, they were Lamar Jackson type throws. Like he was pretending to be Lamar Jackson for Halloween a month and a half late. The Njoku floater was amazing. The long ball, I think the Mari Cooper was amazing. Let me ask you guys this fun fact.


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[Assistant] Uhm, coming into this week, I had pulled a stat out of the trash here cause I wanted to double check. Most quarterback wins at Cleveland Brown Stadium. Number one is Baker Mayfield since 1999, since stadium opened. Baker's at number one at 18 wins.


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[Assistant] Uh, Big Ben is second at 12 wins, which is embarrassing for an away quarterback to beat. At number three, now Brown's quarterback, Joe Flacco. He's at 11 wins in Cleveland Brown Stadium, third most all time.


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[Assistant] All right, let's talk about two teams that no one thought was going to win after their quarterbacks went down and both those teams won after their quarterbacks went down. Uh, Brenton, I'll come to you first. I think this was probably one of the gutsiest wins of the season.


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[Assistant] Uh, Houston, Texas team, roll Case Keenan out there. Case Keenan, he was Nick Mullins. He was just throwing up yolo balls left and right. Uhm, and then Will Levis said, okay, watch this. And Will Levis was...


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[Assistant] 2.0. Yeah. I mean he was, that was a wild scene, but shout out to Kyfer, uh, camey fair bear and coming back breach hitting a huge 56 yarders time expired over time to save us our first tie and to muck up the playoff race with a tie in there.


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[Assistant] Um, Brent, so what's your takeaway from this Texas team knowing that you're going to get your quarterback back? Hopefully you get some other guys healthy and they played as hard as they did for D'Amico Ryan.


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[Assistant] They're number eight, uh, they have a one game lead over the Bills who are also, uh, eight and six, uh, in the conference. So they have the advantage to both those teams went out and breach. I want to talk about another eight and six team.


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[Assistant] Another team that's 8-6, but they're now the number 6 seed because your Pittsburgh Steelers are terrible. Let me give you a couple of fun facts here before Princeton reads them off and tries to steal them as his own.


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[Assistant] You mentioned yards per attempt when talking about, uh, our buddy Brock Purdy. We'll put this on for, see how this fits her size, however the saying goes. Third most yards per attempt for Jake Browning through the first four games of his career.


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[Assistant] In the last 30 seasons behind only some guy named Kurt Warner Hall of Famer and Patrick Mahomes also Hall of Famer. That number is 9.1 breach.


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[Assistant] What do you got to say about Jake Browning and the way this team clawed back after Nick Mullins repeatedly tried to give them a game on the platter and they wouldn't take it until the end?


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[Assistant] Tuesday, Tuesday, uh, first question will be, why did you cut Jake Browning? Uhm, he talks all the time about why he cut, uh,


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[Assistant] Jake seems like a good dude too. Shout out to Jake, he's having a great season. I ain't mad at him. Uh, you know, when, uh, Breach got cut from that fake team that he used to brag about to us, Princeton, where he threw the touchdown passes, I'm sure he was mad at those folks too. But you're over it now, Breach. All right. Before we take a break.


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[Assistant] And producer Harry's insistent as he throws, as he throws up the headline.


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[Assistant] The winner of the AFC South will be, and let me set this up real quick, uh, Breach, I'll come to you. The Jaguars lost, Texas lost, Colts somehow found a way to beat the Super Bowl winning Steelers. They're all eight and six. The Titans are now out of the playoffs by virtue of their loss in overtime.


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[Assistant] And according to the upshot, because I don't think our guy Steven Osten at the numbers yet, uh, the Jags.


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[Assistant] He did send it out or no? No, no, no. I was going to say the upshot tip. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't see it. So, uh, Jack still have a 60% chance to win the division breach and 20% 20% for the Texans and Colts, both eight and six. What do you make of the Jaguars performance? And what do you make of the other two teams are in the mix?


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[Assistant] Uh, you mentioned the Falcons on the schedule for one of these teams.


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[Assistant] Man, I don't want to be this dude, but Desmond Ritter, if you throw another red zone interception. That was the worst pick of the year. I'm going to Rick breach his hair off and beat him with it. I mean that, what are we doing? Shout out to Bryce Young for winning the game.


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[Assistant] He's a good guy and all that stuff, but it's just not working.


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[Assistant] You know what? I was thinking about this. I think I'm gonna have the Texans win because CJ Strout's gonna get red hot, then he'll make his way back into the MVP conversation and then that will be fun. That will be fun.


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[Assistant] Breach, during the break, look up the last time a rookie, if ever, won the MVP. And Breach will tell you right after this.


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[Assistant] You know, I fall for it every week. It's like, uh, as our colleague Eric Casillas says, it's like Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football. Every week I fall for it and everything feels good. And then the next week, what are the teams we like? It's the doors blown off this week.


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[Assistant] Uh, the lions absolutely went to town over all over the Denver Broncos to the point where Sean Payton was yelling at Roswell on the sidelines, like he was scolding a young child for trying to wander into the street.


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[Assistant] But is this Lions team the one we can look forward to seeing or is this team like every other team that we seem to talk about here that can dominate at home, but once they get on the road, there's some questions.


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[Assistant] Their rookie court, their rookie draft, their draft class has been absolutely bonkers lights out. We know about Sam Laporta and Jameer Gibbs, but Brian Branch is playing well and they've been a huge, uh, part of their success. And I think Jerry Goff was the one that was talking up how good these rookies have been on offense and how important they are to what they do. Cause they're, they had huge games once again and Sam Laporta.


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[Assistant] Might be one of the best top five tight ends already. Probably higher than that at first.


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[Assistant] You get the number two seed right now, you're playing the Rams, right? If you have the three seed, you're playing the Vikings. So is there a benefit to getting the two over the three? I mean that-


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[Assistant] But first, let's talk the AFC playoff picture and then we'll get to the NFC playoff picture. Teams that clinched the playoff berth thus far.


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[Assistant] My Baltimore Ravens. Every team is either mine or yours, I guess. Uhm, and teams can be eliminated. I can't believe the Jets are out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, we can do it. Teams to be eliminated from the postseason in the FC, the Jets and the Titans. Uh, Patriots are already out.


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[Assistant] So, let's start here. If you're watching this on YouTube, you can see how the, uh, this thing sorts itself out. Uh, Breach.


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[Assistant] I'll just read through it quickly for people who are listening. We know that the, uh, Ravens are the number one seed. They have a one game lead over the Dolphins and who has a one game lead over Kansas City. And then there's the eight and six Jaguars followed by the Browns at five and then Cincy and Andy at six and seven.


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[Assistant] Just on the outside looking in at eight and six as well, Houston and Buffalo. Forget the Steelers, the Broncos. I actually feel better about the Raiders at this point, but any swapping you want to do at any point between one and I'll say nine.


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[Assistant] Hey Breach, let me ask you a clarifying question real quick. So, the Bengals are 3 and 6 in the conference as you mentioned. Why are they inside the playoff bubble when the team with the same record, the Texans and the Bills are 5 and 4 and 4 and 5 respectively in the conference?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the Bills make the most sense. I might just throw the Texans at that for fun, but I think Breach's Bengals are in. I want to see Jake Browning, uh, Jake Browning Spielberg in a revenge game every week from here on out. That'd be fun.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I want to do the CJ shroud MVP thing. You're right. Oh my gosh. Okay, so I think they're the favorites.


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[Assistant] All right. We'll revisit this next week when everything will change. So look forward to that. All right. Let's talk NFC real quick here before we get to the most important matter of the evening, the NFC South. Uh, shout out producer Harry for putting that on there on the back end.


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[Assistant] I'll mention this quickly, teams to clinch the playoffs births, uh, playoff birth, uh, Cowboys, 49ers, Eagles, duh, duh, duh. Uh, commanders have been eliminated. The Panthers were previously eliminated. The Cardinals are also donezo as the kids said in 1967. Uh, Brenton.


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[Assistant] So that depends on what happens on Monday night. I'll read this out for people who are listening.


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[Assistant] San Frans number one, no surprise there. Uh, their half game up on Philadelphia. He plays on Monday night followed by Detroit at 10 and four. Tampa is the fourth seed.


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[Assistant] Dallas is the fifth seed of 10-4. Minnesota and LA both a 7-7 round out. Playoff bubble just on the outside. New Orleans put a whooping on the Giants today. They're 7-7.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm gonna talk my way into Eugene Searle Smith, the third working his way into the playoff picture. I'll replace them with the Vikings. They need to win on Monday night. That would be a good start there. We'll talk quickly about the NFC South since we're talking about the NFC. And here's what I was looking for.


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[Assistant] As regards to, in regards to our buddy, Dez Ritter, who's struggling. And I agree with Brunson, the way Baker Mayfield is actually outplaying Tom Brady in his last year at Tampa, which is sort of funny. Uhm, but this is a quote.


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[Assistant] From the athletic after the game, uh, when Breach, as you laid out the interception there, the Falcons defense is fifth in the NFL and success rate, ninth in yards per play and hasn't allowed a touchdown in three of their last four games. However, Sunday marked the fourth straight loss in which an opponent has driven at least 70 yards to score the game winning points in the final 31 seconds. Not great.