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[Assistant] The Jets are the thing, the team that pops to me. Yeaah. The Jets are. You know, again, the Jets old line, I think has a chance to be pretty damn good. And now you got Michael Carter and Breece Hall at running back.


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[Assistant] And you got Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore, and Cordell Patterson.


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[Assistant] I know. I'm not ready to go with the Giants there. I can't do the Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] The lions, I can see them being a pain in the butt and being good and dancing around 500.


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[Assistant] And Jacksonville, I could see them having their moments too. I can. I just think if we're going to hold it to like the bangles theme of like, oh my gosh, this team popped out of nowhere. I'm going to go with them. Second year quarterback, Zach Wilson has all the things you've heard me like. I like Joe Burrow. I like Zach Wilson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I don't know. They're dead to me. And again, what people I think missed on the Jets a little last year is how many injuries they had at key positions. You know, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta go check it out a little bit. Whether it's the defense ends, the tackles, the safeties, whoever.


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[Assistant] The quarterback got hurt, Elijah Moore was hurt. I mean, they had a lot of big time injuries. Maybe not the numbers wise, but the importance of their scheme and everything. I'm gonna go with the Jets.


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[Assistant] I know you like the lions. I do like the lions. I know, I know. But like, we're talking like, can really explode onto the scene, get to the playoffs, and you go, wow.


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[Assistant] To happen to other teams. Well, to Pete's point, the AFC, and then you just look at the AFC East, and you go, holy crap, you got the Dolphins, I mean, the Dolphins are extremely talented, the Bills are awesome, we know the Patriots are good, and then the freaking Jets who are getting better, but you just, you go, I hope they can, you know, see the benefits of that with who they gotta play.


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[Assistant] I love questions with, I'm not sure if you're allowed to answer this. These are my favorite questions to answer. I'm a sativa guy. Hopefully you know that at Nick Yams. I am a total sativa. I really prefer pure sativas. Strawberry cough is one of my favorite ones right now.


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[Assistant] Great sativa, gets the mind thinking and crazy, doesn't get you couch locked, right? That would be one of my tops. Jack Herrera would be another one. It's like a great sativa, kinda get you creative, not feeling low. I always look for those things a little bit. Like, make the brain a little crazy, make me think, make me self-evaluate.


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[Assistant] Well, we all know at home I pee sitting, alright? Yes. Why would you stand when you can sit? Need a rest, right? Need a rest. Need a rest, and toilets clean, it's my own family's germs, and I'm down with that.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of issues there. I don't want to get too graphic, but I just, I don't, I don't, to me, I'm a leaner, I'm a sitter. And, and do how you want to do, right? If you were a standard.


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[Assistant] It's not like this year where, I mean, it's cold in here right now. Maybe, and maybe it was a pandemic thing. I could see that. Maybe I'm over it. I could see that. I, I have to do Brother From Another From Home every four o'clock on, uh, four o'clock every Thursday. Okay. And...


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[Assistant] And almost every time I'm on, I have sweaty pits. See, there it is. Cause it's just like, I can't keep the room cold enough. I'm drinking water. I'm with a napkin before I go on. Cause I'm like starting to get sweat beads in my head. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's, it's not always easy, but you can adjust it well.


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[Assistant] And now he's wearing deodorant under his arms, so stop that. I was like, maybe I should look into that. Those are great questions today. Awesome questions, I love that. I enjoyed it. That was good. Made me think of my feet.


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[Assistant] Big, big, uh, big ask for all the homies out there. Big ask to Ahmed Farid and thank you for coming in to host the pod today. That was an awesome weekend by you. It really was.


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[Assistant] It's a fun time. Torture, vacation, same thing. So make sure you go home and rest, alright? Wednesday, Paul's back.


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[Assistant] We got big Phil coming on Wednesday. Oh, cool. He's ready to come back on. He's got to get some things off his chest. So we'll hit on that. And then, what we got coming next week, guess what time of the year it is? I've had a few days of not having to work and not do a compile something.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I always look forward to that, alright? And, uh, everybody stay involved, keep listening, you know where to find us. Subscribe, rate, review, uh, appreciated homies. Have a good two days, check you out Wednesday. Ahmed, I'll see you next week. Peace out. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] I tried to break all types of rules today. Wanted to be the first, you know, football television celebrating 420 live on the show. One day we can do that, hopefully.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, baby, Chris Sims on button, Ahmed Farid's here. It is 421. Ahmed is still, uhm, clearing up. He's in a haze of smoke. You're such a stoner. You just all day yesterday. That's all you did, huh?


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[Assistant] I can't like, but like I will say, like my wife, at like 8.30, I kinda just gotten done eating, I was sitting there and she's like, I just can't believe it. And I was like, what? And she's like, I just can't believe you're not more than a


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[Assistant] I feel so good that I'm done. I really do. I've been stressed the last month.


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[Assistant] You know, every day I'm chasing the rabbit. I mean, it's just, that's how I felt, you know, even on days off. So now to like, not only just go, hey, I'm done, but I feel like I have a really good feel for the draft and I'm just at comfort. So like, thank God we're here and I did it. I did it, mom. I did it. You've made it.


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[Assistant] Like if I feel or hear that, you know, that this team is, you know, they're hot on a player, like I'm not going to go, well, I think like, yeah, I'm going to use a little bit of both. If I have no clue, then I'll kind of go to my rankings. If I think, if I hear something substantial, I might do that. So hopefully, you know, the homies can deal with that, that formula there.


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[Assistant] This is a guy that's going to be more loved by the true 4-3 teams more than the teams that might ask, you know, the 3-4-ish type of stuff.


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[Assistant] But when you talk about like good athlete, great looking body, looks like an athlete and he's a hybrid, Ahmed, that's what I would tell you more than anything. To me, it's like.


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[Assistant] It's, it's defense a tackle for teams that like, you know.


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[Assistant] Smaller, faster, let's create havoc defensive tackle. It's strong side defense N, HULOs. No, we like gigantic D tackles and we like our strong side D N to be like basically an athletic D tackle. That's to me what DeMarvin Leal is. He really is and uh, he's an impressive specimen.


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[Assistant] True, you know, again, Seattle scheme, that kind of scheme, they're gonna love him at three technique. And then, oh, okay, wait, this week we're playing a team that can really run the ball. We might ask you to play DN, but the rules aren't gonna really change.


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[Assistant] You know, I think with this kid, you know, get off is good. I'm not like, oh, it's wow. He doesn't show great ability to do that two gapping stuff that we've talked about.


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[Assistant] You know, for a guy that's 283, takes on double teams pretty good, you know, and has explosion and the ability to change directions and take on blocks and be in awkward positions and still create havoc. I think that's what I liked about him a lot.


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[Assistant] First round talent? No. Yeah, no. I think we're talking about a guy here that's kind of mid-second, somewhere in that range. I would, I would like it. You know, it's kind of the players that I look at him like. William Goldston, maybe, right, for the Bucks, is that kind of guy. Uh, there's the, you know, Draymond Jones, uh, from Ohio State a few years ago.


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[Assistant] You know, he's another guy similar to that type of guy where, yeah, he can rush the passer. He can stop the run on the strong side. If he is a DN for those teams that value a little more athletic three technique defensive tackles, he can go in there and be disruptive and create some havoc.


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[Assistant] No, no, not as far as what I take the edge and like, you know, again, it's hard.


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[Assistant] As far as, uh, I'm trying to encompass something that the whole league would like and makes sense the most for all those guys.


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[Assistant] You know, there's some guys, they're going to look at this guy, I'm sure, and go, Hey, defense end for us. This is what he is. 4-3 crash end, strong side defense end.


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[Assistant] That's what he is, but he's not like the kind of guy that I think you're going to look at quite yet and go, Oh, well, he's just, he's going to might have the ability to go around the edge and be a 12 sack a year type of guy. No, that's not what he is. He's more D tackle with some splash of DN. How many first round guys you got here? You think in this group? Uh, I think three legitimately. I think our top three.


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[Assistant] We'll definitely go in the first round. Maybe four. The guy we're going to talk about here in a second, I think has some talents to kind of get into that conversation. Let's do it. The guy that's


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[Assistant] I love this kid. Like, from your hometown, first off. Detroit, Michigan. Detroit. Right? Plays like a Detroit, Michigan guy. Tough. Tough. Can play every position on the defensive line. 8 mile. I mean, yes. Long ass arms. Explosive get off.


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[Assistant] He can, he arguably might be the best two-gapper in the draft. And what I mean by that, his ability to stand people up and then just throw them to a side and disengage and do that.


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[Assistant] He's, he's, he's up there with the best in the draft that I've seen so far. You know, his arm and length, his length and his arms and his power in his upper body are really special. And then his get off.


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[Assistant] Ahmet, it's one of those things when you look at the get off on film, you go, wait, is that, is that the guy, the guy that nose tackled to start the film here?


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[Assistant] He's the guy I'm looking at. Whoa. I mean, he really exploded off the football. So there's real thing there. So you talk about the get off and then his ability and the upper body and the strength, he gets under people's pads a lot and controls them, drives them back into the quarterback, does that phenomenal football player. Um, and like I said,


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[Assistant] Every scheme, almost every position other than true weak side pass rusher this guy could play.


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[Assistant] This is a different type of versatility though. Okay, how so?


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[Assistant] Like, this guy could play Shade Nose and Nose Tackle and line up right over, and you go, woah, he's got the power and the strength to handle that kind of fight. But then, you know...


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[Assistant] Has the ability too to go, okay, like we were talking about with DeMarvinLeo a minute ago, now let's just line up here and shoot this gap and just win that gap. And he's got the explosive ability and Twitch to do that too, to be disruptive.


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[Assistant] So I go 3 technique in a 4-3. Shade nose in a 4-3. True nose tackle in a 3-4. And then 3-4 defense at end where you're like head up on the offensive tackle and you will be asked to 2 gap. Dude's a player, man. This was, he's never on the ground. He plays hard.


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[Assistant] Um, he, he to me was one of the pleasant surprises of the drive. I didn't think I was, when I turned the film, I wasn't going.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm expecting to see a top five-ish type of guy here. And, you know, I was pleasantly surprised by the film. I mean, look at the Iowa game. Best center in the draft. First round guy. I mean, he gave Lindgrenbaum all he can handle at that position. I would bet you that he would say, oh, that was definitely the hardest guy I had to block all year.


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[Assistant] I mean a little I've talked to people about him because I talked to him a little bit the other day when I got done with him and I was going...


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[Assistant] Have you guys, you know, I sent out one of those texts to a viewer. Have you watched the Iowa State Kid? Yeah. And then got some


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[Assistant] You can sometimes. You can, right? You can. No doubt about it. This guy has a drive and a want to. Yes, I'm glad you said that. You can. You could see a little bit into the person when you watch it on film. Like, you could see a guy that doesn't give up. It's always, you know, you know, pedal to the metal, understands his job and what to do.


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[Assistant] Doesn't do his job, you can see when they don't care, when they care, when they don't care, right? So yes, I mean, when you say these things, I go, well, his play kind of looks like he takes a lot of pride in it and is very professional with it. So a Wazirike, fringe, first round talent. I think, yeah, top 40 pick for me.


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[Assistant] He is, and if there's a team there sitting at the end of the first round that's looking to improve their D-line and needs some inside


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[Assistant] Value type of guy. Yeah, he's, he's the guy for me. I was very impressed with this football player. And like, what can I say?


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[Assistant] The floor, I mean, the great thing is, I think he's one of the safer picks in the whole draft. The floor is extremely high. You're gonna get a really good player. You might get that pro ball, all pro player. I'm not saying the ceiling's like, woah through the roof, but I think it's like starter, high level starter for a long time.


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[Assistant] Is staying here in Connecticut right here for this one. Travis Jones, Connecticut. A Connecticut guy too. A Connecticut guy, I know.


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[Assistant] I would have a hard time believing that, uh, there was too many people better than him, that's for sure. I mean, we're talking about, you know. You're saying that's not a great compliment to the man? Well, it's, it's, that team is not the best team in the world. That's true. Uh, but this dude, this is special. I mean,


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[Assistant] First off, if anybody's watching on YouTube, all you gotta do, this is one of those guys when you turn it on and you go, whoa, wait, wait.


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[Assistant] He's 325 and moves like that? Okay. Whoa, okay.


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[Assistant] So that's, that's the first thing you just jump out, but huge body, great looking body, a little different and, you know, it's big butt, a little more in the middle, you know, high, kind of a high waist, long arms, so to paint a picture from you that way, you know, change direction.


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[Assistant] It's, it's off the charts good for that a, for that size. I mean, he's a really good athlete. All right. You know, he's, um,


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[Assistant] Well, I won't get into that. I was going to compare him to some guys we got coming up here in a minute. Uh, but, but like, you know, the arm length and the two gapping is the first thing. And this is another thing, again, where you got to kind of watch and know what you're the players being asked to do. He doesn't always get the green light to just fly up the field and go create havoc. They asked him to stand there, plug the middle, make it a mosh pit.


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[Assistant] You know, then when you see the guy coming your way, we want you to throw that 300 pounder off of you and make the tackle. That's all we're asking you to do. Big deal. And he does it. You know, he is really special in that department. So, you know, this is a guy, a little raw, you know, but I mean, he's a dancing bear in the middle of the middle of the defense and a guy that can win.


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[Assistant] This is why this guy, and we're gonna have another big guy coming up in a little bit, that, like, there's, like, people gotta stop with this, like, well I don't know about it, it's past Roche value. You're this big, this powerful.


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[Assistant] Like, there's real value with these guys. Tell, ask a quarterback what it's like to drop back on third down with Vita Vella in Tampa Bay right now. Ask him how that feels. So obviously ask him about his pass rush value. Because, you know, that's where there's great value. And yes, the kid's got a motor.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I don't think there's gonna be any like, oh, first and second down, we gotta take him off the field on third down. I think he's got all around three down value, and you know, the two gapping is...


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[Assistant] It's him, I would probably say him and the kid we just talked about from Iowa State that were, uh, Iowa State that were the best at it.


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[Assistant] They were phenomenal that way. Once this guy gets his arms on you and gets his arms locked out, like, and gets in this position,


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[Assistant] Night night. See you later. He's gonna do whatever he wants with you. So uhm, that, that's where he's a really good football player. And I think once he unleashes and gets used to playing or, you know, just, what do I wanna say? Just gets unleashed as far as,


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[Assistant] You don't always have to read it and two gap it and do all that stuff. He's going to create more havoc and disruption than, than the college.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's gonna be more than that when it's all said and done, I do. Uhm, but yeah, he's got it all, and he's got, I think, more...


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[Assistant] Potential to tap into as an athlete too. You know, I think just as far as how they used them and everything that way. The awareness in the backfield is big for me with these guys, right? Cause they gotta hold people up and then it's like, are you, do you see the ball? Do you know where it's coming? He was really good in that area. So, uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I just, uh, big guy, throws people off em, athletic, it's kind of a no-brainer, and he's gonna fit with a 3-4 or 4-3, it doesn't really matter, and I would think he goes somewhere 20-32. I'm at 20-32. That would be about the range I would say, yea, maybe 18-32, somewhere in that range. Where do your top two guys go?


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[Assistant] I think these top two guys, okay, and I mean really, this is, I don't even know which one's top two. I have a hard time differentiating. The Georgia guys, okay, let's just get into it.


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[Assistant] To me, you're both top ten talents. Both of them. In the entire draft. The entire draft. These are two of the ten best players in the NFL draft. And the Georgia D-Tackles deserve to be in that conversation. I mean, the first one, let's hit on number two. Devontae Wyatt from Georgia.


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[Assistant] So much gets made about some of the other guys on their football team.


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[Assistant] I, I guess I just, you know, again, as a casual football watcher during the season,


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[Assistant] I guess I just didn't really realize how freakin' good this guy is. Davante Wyatt is like...


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[Assistant] The film is, is good or better than Quinnen Williams, who was the three pick of the draft a few years ago coming out of Alabama. It's, to me it's, when I walked away I just went, I don't understand why, why are people not talking about this guy more?


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[Assistant] It's, the film's better than Quentin Williams. He was a slam duck, like people were going, well maybe Quentin Williams will be the number one pick of the draft. I mean, or number two pick. You're hearing all those type of things. This guy's every bit as worthy in that department. I mean,


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[Assistant] Two gapping stuff, which they asked him to do, right? That's not his cup of tea. This is not what, like, he put on earth to do in this department. His cup of tea is...


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[Assistant] It's Warren Sappish type of stuff. It's that kind of guy. It's three technique, like we've talked about. You're so explosive off the ball and quick with your hands and we, you know, explosive and awkward positions. We want you just to create havoc and just mess up.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's why there's going to be some teams that are going to go, I don't like love that guy. He's going to be a little bit of a, to me, the four three team.


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[Assistant] It's the greatest college defense in the history of football. The greatest college defense in the history of college football. Talent wise or in execution? Well, a little bit of both. I mean, he could really go, because Kirby Smart's a hell of a coach. Sure. I would honestly go like, Kirby Smart, he could've...


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[Assistant] The way they play their scheme-wise this year might actually hurt this group. Because the way he plays his scheme is great.


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[Assistant] But this is a group that was so good and could have just steamrolled everybody that they could have played like, just everybody shoot a gap and they'll never move the ball unless ever and they would have dominated. But like,


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[Assistant] Quick, aggressive, hands as a pass rusher are dangerous, the ability to bend around the edge.


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[Assistant] Is that of a defensive end a like a good pass rushing defense end for 307 the size concern like you're talking about. It's pretty damn good as far as taking on double teams. You know, he, the way he can get off the ball and explode, he can stop that momentum with the double team to a degree.


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[Assistant] So, uh, and as I went on, I wrote, man, I mean, the guy has enough strength and power that you could play him at Shade Nose tackle if you had to.


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[Assistant] And, and do that. And then I kinda ended it off as just like, why is this kid not getting more buzz? I mean, he reminds me of Quentin Williams, but the film is better.


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[Assistant] So, and I just wasn't expecting to see that I wrote. And then change of ability, change of direction ability off the charts, you know, and then any negative plays to me that I came down to, and there's very few negative to begin with, it's just like, you know, it's the same thing where you've heard me talk about this before. He's in this gap.


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[Assistant] And when they say set hut, they want you to go two gaps down to the right and oh, stop there with a guy that's 300 pounds on your back when it's time to stop. And that's not always that easy. He's not going to be doing that stuff a ton in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Awesome player. Top 10 pick for me. Top 12, top 15, whatever. Definitely one of the best defensive players in the draft. So you like him a lot. I do. It's almost like 1A is.


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[Assistant] The big boy, Jordan Davis, I just, you know.


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[Assistant] There's not many people I think that you can ever compare to in this, in the history of the NFL draft of this guy. This is, that's where I look at it as special. Size-wise? Size-wise, and then the athleticism on top of it. Like, you just heard me talk about Vita Vea. Right? Excuse me. I'm drinking coffee. Vita Vea.


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[Assistant] I can't remember exactly where he got drafted. I want to say 20s, right in there, maybe. Matt, if you could, if you could look that up.


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[Assistant] My point is, if Vita Veya was redrafted and we all knew what he was gonna be like, you'd go, oh, that's top 5, top 10 pick. Like, you know. 12. You know, he was 12. That's what it was. This is a better Vita Veya. You draft Vita Veya earlier. This is Vita Veya with...


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[Assistant] Another notch up in all athleticism areas with more of what I would call range. You know, Vita Vea can explode off the ball and push the pass rush and.


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[Assistant] You know, hold his ground versus double teams and do all that. That's cool. Jordan Davis can do all that. The difference is Jordan Davis, you could do a toss sweep to Alvin Kamara and he could be like, what? Okay, hold on. I got to make a right turn and I'm going to run this mother ever down right at the line of scrimmage and go down the hill, down the sideline.


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[Assistant] And run him down and make the tackle there. So that's where I say the range part. Like, it's really rare.


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[Assistant] To see all of these things together, I mean, it's the most proportionate 340 I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] I mean, agile, pliable. I mean, they ask him to shoot gaps and do athletic things. He does it at a very high level. You know, has a real ability to change direction and redirect. You know, can win with the quicks, uh, like we talked about.


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[Assistant] You know, quicks or power can do it. Like that's what's weird. You see him steamroll somebody early in the game, Ahmed, and then four plays later, you see him do like a shake and break somebody's ankles. And you go, are you kidding me? Like he just steamrolled the guy and now he's breaking his ankles.


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[Assistant] So that's where he's special. Then you get into the two-gapping stuff and the double teams. I mean, what do you think? Do you think the guy at 341 is going to be good at double teams? Seems likely. Yea, right? And 34-inch arms and two-gapping. To me, it's just like, it's a can't miss.


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[Assistant] It's just, he's phenomenal, and yes, I do think he's a top 10 pick in the draft. I mean, look at this!


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[Assistant] It's almost a circle. And here's what I'm worried about with this. Well, you know, just what you were just talking about a few minutes ago. Ooh, third down pass rush. There's gonna be teams that are gonna try to like say that.


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[Assistant] Sure, you're gonna have to like, watch it a little bit. I mean, you know, he's not gonna be able, if you have an 80 snap game, yea, he's not gonna be able to play 80 snaps. He's not gonna be able to do that.


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[Assistant] But like, will he be able to play 65 of them? I do think so. I do, I didn't come away looking at it going, man, this big sucker runs out of gas a lot. I did not, like, think that was an overwhelming factor for me.


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[Assistant] Well said, it was a good question and a good statement all together. Yes, he's gonna be able to do all that.


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[Assistant] Even this, the NFL game, harder, better, the pace isn't always the same either. You know, the pace is not always the same.


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[Assistant] The offense is also conscious of what the defense is doing in the NFL, a little too to go like, oh, our defense is on the field, let's run the ball here and rest him. There's more of a complete game here that way. So it's less of a concern for me. And yes, he's going to be able to rush the passer. He is. He's going to be a pain in the ass. You know, you're going to be able to find alignments and go,


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[Assistant] Are you kidding me? Like, and all you gotta do, we don't want you to worry about the run. All you gotta do is shoot off the ball and push the guy back. When, when he has clips of like that, it's like, see you later. You're done. I mean, it's freaky. Um, how high would you draft him?


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[Assistant] I mean, again, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't be afraid to go with a top five with this guy. I would not. I don't know, I guess I'm different that way, but to me where it gets lost is this.


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[Assistant] Detackle is being underrated in my eyes in the draft evaluations, the media, you know, and even with some teams.


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[Assistant] Usually really good teams have good d-tackles. Right? Like on the Super Bowl, you can start right there.


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[Assistant] I mean, definitely. Ken DJ Reader, I mean, he was a huge part of why Aaron Donald, what he did there, you know, the 49ers to go D tackles, right? They got to, Oh, what did the Kansas city chiefs got? Oh, Chris Jones, right? The D tackle could affect every play. That's where people are, to me are, are missing the ball a little bit.


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[Assistant] I can continue along the other way. Like, so the number two defense in football, guess what they did a few years ago? Drafted Derrick Brown in the defensive tackle at number seven of the draft. I mean, these guys, these two, to me, the Georgia guys are every bit in that class of type of player. Or the Quinn and Williams, like you heard me talk about.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're right. I don't know, there hasn't really been the Mrs. or anything like that, that I can, that can jump out to me. It's just not sexy. And you can't always sell it to your fan base either because of sacks and production and people, that's all they talk about.


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[Assistant] You know, the, like we were talking, the D tackles around the ball a lot.


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[Assistant] No, you know, I mean, I hear you. It just looks so good on tape because of everyone else around it. I know. It's, it's, you know, what's different about them...


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[Assistant] Is they play a different style of football than most? It's them in Alabama, they do the same thing here. You know, like I talked about, most of college football just lets their people go.


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[Assistant] They got like rules to follow every play. I mean real rules that they have to follow and kind of read and do that. So you can really see the guys having to do their singular job. It's not like


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[Assistant] Oh, he got the sack, but damn the de-tackle got in there and made the guy miss and that's why he got the sack.


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[Assistant] It's not that. If I started to see a lot of that, I'd go, oh damn, that, that concerns me. But usually when you look at the plays that are good or bad, it's just, it's them. It's that. It's not like, it's not like Wyatt got a sack because Walker really caused the issue and then he just fell in Wyatt's lap.


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[Assistant] I didn't see that. So I hear you. It's always something to think about. And of course you have to think about it now because we have three schools that stand above the rest of college, or four schools that stand above the rest of college football. And Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, to where you always got to take that into account to a degree.


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[Assistant] Right? And you got some teams that they like their linebackers so small now that they don't even really like evaluate linebackers. They go, who's the safety? Who's the big safety of the group that we could get to make them down? So that's where there's a very few teams.


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[Assistant] That still believe in the more the traditional, what you're talking about, thumping middle linebacker. And those are the teams that are a little bit more of the three, four base thoughts. Like we've talked about there with the D tackles, you know, because yeah, at times it's.


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[Assistant] You know, just think of New England. It's a 3-4. You know, there's times where, hey, there's nobody over the guard. There's no, the guard is clear. So he can just run up the Dante high tower. Like, there's nothing to stop him.


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[Assistant] So Dante better be big and strong to be able to go, whoa, I got a guard coming at me. I'm just the middle linebacker. I better be able to take this guy on and do this here. And that's, you know, them, you know, they're, they're certainly one of those teams, the Ravens to a degree. You know, you see the Saints do that a little bit, you know, but it's a limited few as far as those guys you're talking about.


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[Assistant] Nobody beat Micah Parson. I mean, again, last year in the draft, that would be another one. If we were reminded, I would go, he was one of the three best players in the draft.


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[Assistant] The only reason he was drifted out of number 11 is cause he didn't play cause of COVID.


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[Assistant] Yeah, number five here, we're going with Damone Clark. I hope I said that right. Alright, good. Damone LSU. Damone LSU, I mean come on, I mean you know LSU, Georgia, Alabama, they always got really good


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[Assistant] You know, linebackers that can fly and are physical. This was a tough one. I mean, I made him number five. I really like him. You know, he's extremely athletic. In fact, I thought he even played faster than his four, five, seven speed.


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[Assistant] Uhm, as the year went on, the thing I liked about the guy is he just got better and better. I mean, he's tough as hell. Sideline to sideline, he's great. I mean, anything that way, he's gonna run you down. Alright? Doesn't always take the right angle and all of that.


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[Assistant] You know, all in all, those are like minor things where I go, you can be coached, you can get better in those areas. You know, plays a little high at times, wish he would get off blocks a little bit better.


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[Assistant] All in all, we're talking about, you know, a long time starting middle linebacker that has length and speed and they'll hit you. And yeaah, there's some stuff he's gotta work on.


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[Assistant] You know, I really like the football player. And I think when you're talking about, right, you just brought up the modern day NFL, the kind of guy you're looking for, this is the kind of guy everybody's looking for.


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[Assistant] Six, two and a half, two thirty-nine. Oh wait, he can run down the middle with Travis Kelsey, great. Oh wait, they got a pulling guard, he's gonna smash him? Great, he can do that too.


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[Assistant] You know, so that's where he's got value. And, uh, like I said, when I first turned it on, I was going, eh.


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[Assistant] A little raw, you know, ooh, I wish he was a little more disciplined. As the year went on, I kept going, man, this guy, he's getting better and better, he understands what to do, and he got better at some of the physical things as well. Uhm, yeaah, I like this player a lot. I think we're talking about like a mid...


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[Assistant] To late second, mid second round, late second round type of pick here. Good that you kept watching the tape then. You didn't turn it off after the first few games. I always divvy it up that way. You gotta make sure you split it, you know, cause also too, you never know.


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[Assistant] Did the guy get off to a slow start? Sure. You know, maybe there was a part in the year where maybe he had a little injury. So to me, if you want to get the full picture, you can't pick like three games that are the start of the year. I try to pick one early, one in the middle, one towards the end. That's kind of how I try to do it.


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[Assistant] I think just the little bit of like, just gotta get better at getting off blocks, staying disciplined in your gap that way.


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, what was the other thing I wrote? You know, just having a little bit more of a natural feel for plays and what's coming. You know, there's times you can tell there's like, wait, what play are they running back there? You know, I think there was a little bit of that. And not quite as good.


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[Assistant] In the trash is some of the guys we're gonna talk about. When I say trash is yeaah, you're playing middle linebacker, yeaah, you gotta be able to take on guys and get off and get the block or, you know, weave your way in and through guys and then make the tackle, right? That's playing middle linebacker. Some of that, and again, we're holding this to


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[Assistant] Top 5 in the draft standards here. So yea, some of that is not up with the other guys. Really good. You think about


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[Assistant] Willie Gay, it was Willie Gay, the pick for Mississippi State, middle linebacker that went on and played for Kansas City this year. To me, he's that type of guy, but with a little bit more size. I really like this player, and I think he's made for the NFL.


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[Assistant] Well, Pete's good. Alright, so, and just so people know, the guy that I want to make sure everybody knows that was right there...


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[Assistant] You know, who I really kind of went back and forth with. Who could have been number five. Who could have been number five is the, the kid from uhm, is Mooma. Mooma. Chad Mooma from Wyoming.


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[Assistant] And I, he was a really good football player. He's a natural football player. Um, but yeah, just didn't think he was quite the athlete and as physical, um, as, as Damone, Damone Clark.


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[Assistant] Well it definitely, you know, herniated disc and all that, that's gonna scare teams for sure. There's no question about that.


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[Assistant] Yes, I, I know this is, you know, the man of the hour at the position. Nicoby Dean will be my number four linebacker. A lot of people's number one. I, I get it, you know. Uhm, well I don't get it. I don't get why he would be near number one.


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[Assistant] To me, this is one where it's just a little bit off of reputation, where he was ranked in high school, and then going to Ohio State. Really good football player. There's no question. I'm not sold this is a definite first-rounder though.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, you know, there's going to be teams that love them. The four or three teams who like speed linebackers and all of that. Yeah, they're going to like them. So maybe some of those Seattle schemes, you know, he's Denzel Perryman to me, right? All right. That's, that's, that's the name that I kept coming up to really good NFL smaller middle linebacker.


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[Assistant] But to me, not a guy you take in the top 20 of the draft, you know.


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[Assistant] Yep, 5, yeah, it's, it's 5'11, it is. It's 5'11 official at the combine. You know, but the athlete is good, but I wasn't like, oh my gosh, wow, this is unreal. I can't believe this. This wasn't like I turned on the film and saw Roquan Smith or Patrick Queen. That's who he's compared to.


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[Assistant] Definitely. It's not a, it's not a position that, you know, size predicates all. There's gonna be a little beauty in the eye of the beholder like we always talk about. You know, but, you know, again, for a smaller guy, you know, I'm trying to like just paint, you know, it's not, this isn't Devin Bush or Devin White from a few years ago. It's not, it's not that.


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[Assistant] You know, that was like, you turned it on, you were like, oh my gosh, they got rockets up their ass, these two. And then you were like, oh my gosh, they hit like, sledgehammers.


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[Assistant] This guy has partial rocket up his ass, but not the full-fledged rocket up his ass like that way. You know, he's physical, and certainly brings it, and he's fun to watch, and this is what I hate about the draft, cause I like this kid. I just don't like him as much as the other three we're gonna talk about. You know, he, I, there's no hesitation in his game that way.


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[Assistant] You know, to get off blocks and fight through the trash, you know, I thought was good, but I did not think was great, especially the getting off the blocks part. He can definitely get swallowed up.


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[Assistant] And have an issue there. Now you want to talk about if there's one guy in my opinion that can benefit from all the things you asked about the D tackles and maybe, are they, this is the guy that benefited. Here's the guy that got put in the position to go, hey, you're behind the greatest defensive line in the history of football. Now just go make a tackle.


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[Assistant] And so to me, that's where it's a little overrated. Uhm, and I know I'm in the minority. And again, it's not personal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just a little bit. On this one, just a little bit. I do. Yeah. And again, I'm trying to, you know, make this translation to the NFL game, which is different than college football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, when you, when you hear me talk about, you know, playing through the trash, I'm big on that. It's a middle linebacker.


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[Assistant] You know, can you dig and weave and slip and slide your way through to make a tackle? Oh wait, now the guard's on you. Can you hit him and kind of get off of him and now make a tackle? Those are things that are not the best for him. They're not. Uhm, and, you know, the, the acceleration, the twitch,


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[Assistant] That's to me the other reason. He's not in that Devin Bush or Devin White or Roquan Smith category. First off, if his speed was like that, you know what he would have done? He would have run a 40. All he had to do was run a 4.5 and you shut everybody up. Right?


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[Assistant] He was running a number he doesn't like. The film kind of shows that.


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[Assistant] Again, it's not that it's bad, but I wrote down on film he looks like he's a 4'6 guy, somewhere around there. 5'11 4'6 is not gonna go over as big as we think he's.


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[Assistant] A 4-5 or a 4-4 guy at 5-11, and the tape's good. So he made the right decision there, I'm not mad at him. Uhm, but yeaah, those were some of my concerns there, uh, with him a little bit.


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[Assistant] He, he would be end of the first round for a 4-3-ish, we like speed linebackers type of team. That, that to me would be, I wrote down 25 to 40. That was kind of the range I threw him in. Alright, so, uh, right around that range, yes. You know, but again,


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[Assistant] Like I said, I guess I wasn't as impressed with him in the open field. And when I say open field, I don't mean like running somebody down from behind. I mean, it's open field, and the guy can go any way he wants, and you gotta break down and make the tackle with him. That to me was a little less than what I was expecting. Talk about the size and all that. You know, as far as the guys we're gonna get to here in a minute,


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[Assistant] I thought he was a little slower to recognize plays as compared to them too. You know, so that was the thing. And again, I want to make this very clear. This is a good player. You know? I just wrote, I wish he was a hair bigger. I wish he was a hair faster. I wish he was a hair more reckless and physical. You know?


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[Assistant] And he is behind the greatest DT duo in the history of college football. You know, he flips his hips nicely in the pass game.


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[Assistant] But when breaking down wide base one on one, like we were just talking about, it's not where I want it to be. You know, I wrote, this is not white or Raquan Smith, good player, not wow, can play small between the tackles, and range to sideline to sideline, I wrote is good, but not as great as everybody's making it out to be.


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[Assistant] I respect this kid, I just want to make sure that's known.


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[Assistant] Chanel? Chanel. Did I say that right? Chanel number five. And he was number five in college, I believe. He was number five in college and people gotta start giving this damn guy some respect. He's number three on your list. I, I mean, I don't, I don't, again, here's one where I just go,


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[Assistant] I don't understand what we're seeing. I don't understand it. So here's a guy that's 6'3, 250. He's four inches taller than the guy we just talked about.


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[Assistant] He's 21 pounds bigger than the guy we just talked about.


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[Assistant] He's clearly faster than the guy we just talked about. All you gotta do is turn on the film and go, this guy's faster, period. He takes on blocks better. He gets off blocks better.


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[Assistant] Buuut, he's white and went to Wisconsin, so we can't make him that good of a player. To me is what it kinda goes down to.


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[Assistant] This is a guy that's definitely being hurt by the pale skin effort and the Wisconsin effort. And people go, I don't know if they can really be that freaky in that position up there. It feels like some of that to me here.


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[Assistant] I do. And then when I, like, cause I'm watching, this is what happens to me, and I know you're giggling cause I'm saying crazy shit here, but like, this is what, I turn on, when I turn on a guy like this, and I get through the first game and I go,


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[Assistant] An athletic player. Like, an EXTREMELY athletic player. Like, I mean, just first off, the body is wow. Alright? It's wow. You want me to read my thing here, just quote, quote for, I wrote, wow. My kind of mo foe at middle linebacker.


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[Assistant] Thick as hell, thumper looking, wow legs, and a wow ass. Alright? And then I wrote,


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[Assistant] Right away! Twitching and explosiveness is like, real!


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[Assistant] And then, you know, like one of the second or third plays, like he shoots a gap and runs and I went, holy shit, like the acceleration is impressive. When he sees it, he comes downhill in a hurry.


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[Assistant] You know, very comfortable in the trash and can do it all in that. That's what I mean. He could take the block on, he could shed the block. He can dip and weave and go around a block to make the tackle. I mean, to me, he was a natural that way. I mean, it was just easy for him. So, you know, from that stuff, I loved it. You know, also, you know, change of direction.


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[Assistant] I thought it was very good. Again, maybe not the flipping of the hips and coverage, that is probably where he can use a little work, but again, with how fast he is, and it's not like we're talking about a robot here, he's, it's good enough, but this is the other area I loved him.


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[Assistant] Change direction in the way that we talked about a minute ago. Wide base, it's split, the guy can go either way. I thought he was very good in that department.


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[Assistant] As well as up there is the most physically gifted, natural instincts, understands the game and the gap discipline at the position. It's QB of the defense.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then I wrote, I love this kid. He's definitely in the best linebacker convo. And then I wrote, he's, he's more athletic to Mario Davis to me. I mean, we're talking about that kind of guy.


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[Assistant] Well, we like brick walls. We do. You don't like to run into them if you're running back. No, but I like, if the brick wall can run to Adam with that, I mean, then you sign me up. It's just, you know, I think this guy's being undervalued. I really do. Now, I don't know where he's going to go. I kind of wrote down the same thing I wrote down for our last player. It's 25 to 40 in that range for me.


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[Assistant] You know, again, there's going to be some teams that are going to look at him. Some of those 4-3 teams that we talked about that like, might like N'Kobe Dean. They probably won't like Leo Chanel. That's not their kind of guy.


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[Assistant] They're going to want, you know, but, but I, what I want to say is I think he is their kind of guy. I think they're kind of biased and predetermining by the look of the player. And I want to go, I'm telling you, I think he can do everything that Kobe Dean can do in those space things and better. And that's why he's number.


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[Assistant] He's another one of those guys that like we talked about with the old Iowa State guy or some of those where it's just like you turn it on and you know, I heard the guy was pretty good. And then it's like, whoa, are you kidding me? You know, there was a longer linebacker, you know, this is like, you know, longer, thinner frame.


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[Assistant] But well put together thinner frame. I mean, it's not like it's like thin thin. It's like- 6'4", 240. Yeaah. He's got some- and this is uh, Nakobe Dean right here. This is not Quay Walker if you're watching on uh, YouTube.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, just has the look of being really, really athletic. You know, to me, almost in his uniform, it looked like a...


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[Assistant] Kind of like a Fred Warner-ish type of look, if that makes sense. Fred Warner I think was 6'3 coming out around that, 237, 238. But it's that look. Both of these top two linebackers are gonna hit on here, have that. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] Yes, this guy, one, is a better player than the Kobe Dean, two, he's more made for the NFL than the Kobe Dean. In all areas, all schemes will like him, and there's more versatility to the player, too. Uh, really phenomenal. I'll get into some of the specifics after you talk, because I know I'm talking too much.


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[Assistant] It's tough in Alabama. That's just the way it is. That doesn't concern you.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, top ten pick in the draft, Jermaine Johnson from Florida State had to leave Georgia. Yea. I mean, it's just, you know.


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[Assistant] Some guys don't want to wait their turn. Sometimes they do want to wait their turn.


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[Assistant] Sometimes, you know, the system doesn't fit you or whatever, and you need to go somewhere else, whatever. I mean, yeaah, he's, you know, every college kid, every high school kid in the world wants to go to Georgia, Alabama, or Ohio State. He's still young, still 21, turns 22 in May.


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[Assistant] Got it all, Amin. I mean, I'm just gonna go through it. Elite mover. I mean, elite.


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[Assistant] Now, you know, he didn't get to be just the true middle linebacker. You know, when there was a slot receiver on the field or three receivers, he had to be the linebacker that kind of bumped out because he was better in space than N'Kobe Dean. So N'Kobe Dean got to be put in the position to get the stats more to where they asked this guy to do, I feel like the more advanced stuff, right? That would be the first thing I would tell you.


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[Assistant] You know, elite mover, phenomenal hips. And then when you see the guy, you go, well, he's a little longer and he's this great athlete. Well, how good can he really be in between the tackles and doing all that? I mean,


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[Assistant] Physicality's real, and then he's not just a space linebacker. He was really good between the tackles. I mean, really good. Again, because of the length and everything there, you know, he can take on some blockers and get rid of them.


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[Assistant] And then you know me as you've heard obviously here, the ability to weave through traffic and deal with that and still make a tackle or get a hit on the ball.


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[Assistant] He's, he's as good as anybody in the draft, except for the guy we're going to talk about in two seconds. You know, the ability to shuffle down the line of scrimmage, stay square. It's up there with the, uh, our guy Chanal, who we just talked to from Wisconsin. So twitchy.


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[Assistant] Hips are amazing. When you talk about coverage, the ability to flip hips, cover Travis Kelsey, and then the ability to put his foot in the ground and break on the ball, it's, it's high level, like,


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[Assistant] DB almost that way. I mean, he is really fluid and smooth and easy. He plays faster than 4-5-2, which was his combine time. His read and react is as good as anybody in the draft. Anybody. There was, when he saw play,


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[Assistant] Is gonna be drafted up there. I mean, this is a guy that I think.


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[Assistant] I think the, the league is keeping him quiet. Everybody likes Nakobe Dean, don't tell about the other guy.


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[Assistant] Cause this is one of those where, after I, just like the last guy.


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[Assistant] Whoa, the other Georgia linebacker. Holy crap. Hey friend from other team. Yeah, no, isn't he a hell of a player? He'll probably get drafted in front of Dean. I got a lot of texts like that. Oh man, I'm just, holy shit. Yeah, I can see why.


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[Assistant] Yeah, natural nose of the ball, you know, gonna be a pain in the ass in zone coverage too because of how long he is and how he can move that way. He's a matchup guy for tight ends like we talked about, you know, uhm.


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[Assistant] Let's see. Fits any schemes, you turn to that Fred Warner thing, you know, and...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I compared him a little bit to Dean because I had just watched him over. I think he fits more schemes than teammate Dean. You know, between the tackles, I thought he was better than Dean. But the avoiding the blockers, the pass game value, faster, longer. He's gonna get thicker. Just has an incredibly high ceiling.


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[Assistant] A safety that's a first round safety in scene or sign.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well this is, this guy's got some really freaky traits. This, you know, Walker's not far off from this guy. Alright?


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[Assistant] I think there's, and Walker too to add that he's got a little value as a pass rusher on the edge too. That's another reason I made him. Pass rusher on the edge, if you wanted to make him a stand up outside linebacker for a year or two before you moved him inside because he had other guys, he's phenomenal at the end of the line of scrimmage and holds his own and doing all that.


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[Assistant] Now we get to this guy who's a lot like that but better in those areas.


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[Assistant] Lloyd is... Devon Lloyd from Utah. Devon Lloyd from Utah. Thank you for keeping me straight there.


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[Assistant] It's an interesting guy. Another guy that I kind of wrote down has this Fred Warner-ish type of body. And what I mean by that is like good legs, I got a skinny waist and, you know, some square shoulders and you just go, man, they just look like they're athletic and powerful. I mean, that, that's, you know.


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[Assistant] Jamie Collins, remember Jamie Collins from, you know, it's that kind of guy. You know, maybe that's who I should have said he was. With Micah Parsons versatility. And that's the big thing here. First off, I mean, it's a longer


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[Assistant] Isaiah Simmons looking guy, right? Let's say that, but a better player than Isaiah Simmons, maybe not the specimen quite the athlete. This guy's six, three, two 37, right? He ran four, six, six or something like that. Yeah. Came to Utah as a safety and then bulked up and became a linebacker. I could see that. I mean, so I don't, I think the first thing I would talk about is.


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[Assistant] Nobody's better at getting off blocks than this kid at middle linebacker. I mean, nobody can block this kid at middle linebacker.


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[Assistant] So that's what I loved about him. He sees it, shoots his gun, you know him about that. Middle linebacker. I'm big into hesitation, no hesitation.


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[Assistant] The good ones don't hesitate. They just go, okay, this might hurt, but I'm going. Alright. So what?


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[Assistant] Here we go. That's what they do. And that's what I loved about him. But then, like,


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[Assistant] Getting off blocks, you know, again, the fighting through the trash, he is elite in those areas.


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[Assistant] I mean, just throwing people away, or again, the dodging of weaving of blockers and still making a tackle, he's a natural playing that way.


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[Assistant] So that's where I really loved it. You know, the side shuffle, all of that. His upper body strength to get off him, off the blocks or set the edge as a defensive end or outside linebacker. It's off the charts good for his size.


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[Assistant] And then there's like legit pass rush value to go on top of that. I mean legit, like where you'd go, yeah, hit third down, this guy's going to be able to line up and we're going to be able to like depend on him and he's going to get pressure on the quarterback and cause some issues there.


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[Assistant] So, that's where he's rare. He really did. He really is rare. He's kind of a unique human being, all in his own right. He's got a lot of elite aspects of his game. And again, another guy that's gonna kind of fit in any scheme.


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[Assistant] You know, he's got better strength than Leonard. You know, Leonard is...


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[Assistant] You know, of course, a 218 pound man here, we're talking about a guy here that I go, he's 237, he'll be 245 or 247 within the next 12 months. I mean, that's just what happens with these guys more times than not. You know, so he's got more of a physical element to his game.


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[Assistant] That Leonard does not have. I'm not going to say he's quite the athlete Leonard is though, either. Now, you know, in some areas, you know, like, you know, in some areas as far as like flipping hips and stuff like that and coverage, it's not the best. I wish it was a little bit better.


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[Assistant] Again, his ability to change direction and his length and stuff like that is gonna be a handful in the middle of a defense. I used to hate playing linebackers like that.


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[Assistant] Cause you just go, oh, there's the zone hole, and you just go, man, it's there, but damn, it's hard to get it up and over that guy right there. Or, damn, there's a hole to the right of him, I wanna throw it, but he's pretty quick and got long arms, so stick his damn arm out there and tip the ball in the air. You know, there, there's real value in that. So uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, that, that's where I really liked him. Showed, like, at some plays, I mean, you watch him accelerate and you go, whoa. So it's in there for him. You know, the heavy hands, the ability to punch, you know, even as a speed to power.


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[Assistant] You know, really slick and shifty like I talked about to make people miss in the run or pass game. His power at the point of contact is impressive. He knocks a line back. He dominates tight ends when he's on them.


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[Assistant] Uh, this kid to me is yeaah, this is a top 25 pick of the NFL draft. Top 25? I think so. Somewhere in there, yeaah. I'm gonna say somewhere that 18 to 25 range, I could see him going for sure.


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[Assistant] Total thought, overall thought of that defense, and like a playmaker too. You're gonna get a guy that can do all your scheme stuff and all that, but he's gonna make some plays outside the realm of the scheme. And again, when we talk about your question to lead off this segment here.


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[Assistant] The modern day linebacker. It's got to be able to do a little everything. You know, it's, hey, this week cover a tight end, this week power run game. Hey, this week we're missing a defense end or an outside, we need you to go out there and stand up a little bit more. That to me is where his value is, let alone he can play in the middle of the defense


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. You know, you can see that. And again, I think this is another position that's a little undervalued as far as what it does to your team.


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[Assistant] Again, I think when you talk about top defenses and usually when we go, well, they're a fast defense, what we really mean is they got fast linebackers. So it makes them fast. Cause everybody's got fast corners and safeties.


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[Assistant] It's the linebackers that put it over the edge. Whether you go through the, you know, the great defenses of time or whatever, you know, that were like that way, that's what makes it fast.


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[Assistant] You know, and you look at the top defenses, you know, right now in football, how the Ravens are number, or no, that's just run game, sorry. Ravens do have a fast linebacker. The Bills are the number one linebacker, number one defensive football, fast linebackers.


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[Assistant] Carolina's got very athletic middle linebackers. The 49ers, we just talked about them with Fred Warner. The Browns at number five. I mean, again, Owusu Karamoa made an instant impact for that football team to answer that right off the bat. You know, Michael Parsons, you talk about that. Uh, yeaah. I mean, to me, that is...


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, I think, you know, one, Nakobe's gonna be the popular name for the betters, right, in the public, cause it's just what you've been fed. It's just all, hey, it's Georgia, it's Georgia, it's this guy, he's awesome, he's Georgia, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's a slam dunk for me. I think that he's the number one backer off the board.


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[Assistant] Again, like, I think the big thing is, one, he's just a really awesome player.


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[Assistant] But two, like we talked about a lot, there's just not, there's no scheme that's not gonna like him. They're just gonna go, wait, he, four, three, three, four, whatever, we can do it. So, there we go. But hey, look at Quay Walker's third. Third, yeaah. That's good to see him getting a little love there. Hey, Christian Harris, Bama, let's talk about him for a second. Yeaah. Good player, really good athlete, like high level, high level acceleration explosion, you know.


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[Assistant] Overruns plays, can be a little stiff, can play a little small like Dean at times and get swallowed up by blockers a little, but still a good player. I thought overall the linebacking class had


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[Assistant] A lot of good in it. It really did. You know, Troy Anderson from Montana State. He was a hell of a specimen and good looking player. The kid from Oklahoma State, Malcolm Rodriguez. Man, I liked him. He's a little undersized, a 5'11 guy too.


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[Assistant] Like a Nicoby Dean where it's just like a heat-seeking missile all over the field. It's just, yea, you gotta be comfortable with that size. Malcolm Rodriguez played quarterback.


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[Assistant] Did he really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a wrestler. Yeah. So, uh, good, good, good group. It really was. And again, I think this draft has got tremendous depth and, um,


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[Assistant] Uh, tremendous depth, maybe not that superstar, but I, I do think, like I've said to you, and I think you've heard me say this, maybe I didn't, that there's, there's two, maybe three guys at every position that I think stand alone at the position group to where that's gonna make the value of the top fifteen greater than people think, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] Right, it's just a fall off. If you're looking for a guy like, wait, we gotta get a guy that makes a difference, yeaah, you're not gonna wanna miss out on that top two or three. If you go and wait, we just need a guy that's, you know, depth and rounds out our room or whatever, then maybe you're not gonna be as desperate and you can wait to those later rounds.


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[Assistant] I could do lots of points bet, and you know what I would bet, what I would like to bet on that more than anything is, I'm gonna bet you Quay Walker goes before Nakobe Dean. Okay. Alright? Even though I know I like him more.


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[Assistant] I think the NFL, that's one where, in totality, they're gonna see it and he'll end up going first. Let's get Jay on the phone, make that bet for us. Let's go. The SIMS bet. Yeah, the Georgia, which Georgia LB goes first. Or you could do one


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[Assistant] Oh, I could do that too. Right, right. Uhm, so, if you are in an eligible state, PointsBet has an exclusive sign-up offer for unbuttoned listeners that you can't miss. You can't miss it, Ahmed.


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[Assistant] No, you're talking about that. The elite. The elite. The elite. Yeaah. I would say you're about right there. I think the edge alone...


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[Assistant] The top five goes and could, so could six and seven as far as the edge guys. I think there's seven or eight offensive linemen that can go in the first round legitimately. I think you can see five tackles, two guards in the center from Iowa all go in the first round. So yea, I think you would save there. And then of course wide receiver. Wide receiver still


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[Assistant] That's deep. Yes. You do like your number one guy. I do like my number one, and I like my number two guy a lot too, Watson. I would probably knock down Alex Pierce a little bit, that's probably where I was wrong a little bit, maybe jump to, but he's still really good.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] And that's kind of what the entire pod today is based off of. Kind of previewing the top 40. Right. Looking back a little bit. Looking ahead a little bit. And like, I know you do all kinds of rankings for the draft. So ranking isn't new, but like, I think this will be the third or fourth that I've been a part of with you.


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[Assistant] The Giants could lose 28-3 on Sunday, which has happened, you know, recently. You could say whatever you want Monday on the pod, and there might be a little bit of anger, maybe a lot.


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[Assistant] So it's difficult. It is difficult. I know you put a lot of time into it.


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[Assistant] I would think that that middle range would be, would be difficult because in a way it's a good compliment about the league that I think that you go 10 through 25 or 12 through 24, whatever it is, whatever you consider the middle part of the quarterback play.


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[Assistant] I mean, I know there were Hall of Fame quarterbacks when your dad was playing, but the average quarterbacks right now, I think, I mean, a lot of them, you could make a case should be number 12 instead of 18 or 12 instead of 21. No doubt. That middle portion is really, really good.


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[Assistant] Some interesting notes about it as we preview what's coming the next month. Ten quarterbacks have changed teams.


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[Assistant] I had your list in front of me this morning when the kids were still home and I think they were probably talking about tests or homework where I should be totally listening. I was like partially listening and like really focused on this list and thinking about guys that are real likely to move up. I highlighted three. I'm going to say two of these three guys are going to be in your top five. Okay. Okay. Last year you had Matthew Stafford at eight, right?


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[Assistant] Justin Herbert at 11. Yeah. Joe Burrow at 17. Right. My over under on those three dudes, I say two are in your top five.


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[Assistant] I would say three other guys that no matter where you put them, people are gonna come at you, they're gonna come at me, because I'm sitting five feet from you.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Your first thought with the, uh, Fox Money in years? Wooo! What was it? It was your first thought.


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[Assistant] Tell him if they, tell him if they double what they gave Akeman, I might listen to him. Done. What do you think? To me, my first thought, Chris, was I can't wait, not because of his Super Bowl titles,


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[Assistant] I'm Tom, I'm likable, I'm gonna say things in these little likable little snippets and I'm a team guy.


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[Assistant] I kinda sidetracked that for a good reason. That was a good talk. It's a timely conversation, but the three names that I know, no matter what you do with them, Tom Brady's one of them, my seconds, Tua, no matter what, no matter what you do, that really became a thing last year, and in all caps, Jalen Hurst.


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[Assistant] Which is one of my questions here. You got a question there? Can I actually ask that to you? Which is the ranking from last year as you self-scout thyself that you regret the most? And I'll remind people, I think you were going there, that Jalen Hurts was not on the list.


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[Assistant] I'm raising my hand, and I'll also say the way Philly started winning, the way they started winning is kind of a recognition of what you said about your concerns anyway. They became the number one rushing team in football.


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[Assistant] I want to acknowledge and also apologize to Ron S. Austin. I basically stole his question. He said, I want to know where you're going to put Jalen Hurts. Philly is watching, so I'll be watching to see where, where Jalen shows up.


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[Assistant] He did, he did. We'll see if that changes to a beat red, crying, angry face. Corey Joskowitz asks, you had Jameis Winston and Taysom Hill in your top 25 last year. What is your biggest lesson learned from how that situation played out? Jameis played well and when hurt, Taysom did not take over.


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[Assistant] The real thing. You had him at 8th, and uh, like I said, I think he's a real candidate to be in the top 5. Yep. I thought you might go with Mack Jones, because even though we know he's better than the 30th best quarterback in the league now. I was proud. Back then, that raised a lot of eyebrows.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I see, uh, according to the rundown, you are to ask me about, about the rookies. Oh, I saw that.


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[Assistant] Okay, so do I think you will work in a rookie? Well, first of all, let's, let's, let's start from 10,000 feet. There's no damn way you're going to have six like you did last year. No. Okay, I'm going to say that. I will, I will put the over under on rookies that you have in the top 40.


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[Assistant] At two. Two? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'll say you'll have. It's a fair number. You'll have Corral and pick it. Okay. 35 or below. Right. Maybe 38 or below. Right. I can see 38, 39. Hey, you're, you're not, you know, I don't think you're going to be far off with those


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[Assistant] I would say with Pickett, he's the obvious one because he went highest. I think the way he was described and what I saw is that he's right now, he comes into the league as


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[Assistant] Because as much as I like the way this is played out, that Sam Darnold's gonna get a chance, I think by the time we get to November-ish, I don't know if he's gonna be the guy. And Corral will probably have a chance to come in and show what he can do.


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[Assistant] You think he starts out a little bit ahead? I do. Before they even throw a pass? Yea.


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[Assistant] I would have said the other way. I mean, had they taken him at 8, instead of 20, it just feels so much different that it's the back half of the first round. And I don't think Trubisky is going to be a top 10 quarterback, maybe a top 15 quarterback. I think he's going to be decent. I don't disagree with that. I don't know if Pickett beats that out right now.


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[Assistant] I think I find that Pittsburgh one really interesting. Remove which one you like better, but you have a quarterback in Mitchell Trubisky who had itself go. Drafted higher than he should have been, was not in a great offense, but he piled up a lot of experience. I mean, basically a four year starter.


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[Assistant] Bad situation, got to take that experience, get out of that bad environment for him, go watch maybe the best player in football, Josh Allen. Dable was awfully good too. This could be his last chance. So like, the sense of urgency there for him to go seize this one. It's probably higher than Pickett, who is probably competitive as hell, but there might be a little bit of, let's just see how this rookie year goes.


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[Assistant] I feel like so much was made of this rookie class of quarterbacks. Kind of on the negative side that, you know, did any really deserve a first round pick. Now that it's happened, dust is settled. Both you guys know how important it is to land in a good spot.


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[Assistant] Good mentor, good team around you, good coaches. Which of the rookie quarterbacks do you think ended up in the best spot?


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[Assistant] Which one of those rookie quarterbacks do you think is in the best spot for him for this next year or two?


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[Assistant] I don't know Phil when you jumped on, but basically Chris and I today kind of previewed him at his top 40 quarterback. His list is going to start next Monday. One of the things I brought up to him, I look at last year's list and I see Stafford at


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[Assistant] Herbert at 11, Burrow at 17, and I think all three of those are going to move up. Which of those three between Stafford, Herbert, and Burrow would you have rated higher if you were putting together top 40 lists for this year?


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[Assistant] I think it's also guys, whether it's business or sports, I mean, I hear this kind of conversation. It's on the person looking to get mentored to make that mentor relationship work out. Pay attention to what he's doing. Ask questions. How can you learn from him? That should be more on the person looking for the mentoring than the one who's supposed to be the mentor.


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[Assistant] Because he's played really, really well. I mean, his stats or the team's win-loss, I mean, been really strong in the regular season.


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[Assistant] I've seen him, I've seen him from field level, I don't know, six, seven times. First time I saw probably.


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[Assistant] 0506, Phil, I kind of thought, okay, here's a kid, he's really smart, he's in a great system, he's just getting the most out of his abilities, a gamer. I saw him on a cold windy day there in Foxboro from field level and I said, okay.


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[Assistant] Alright dad. Alright man. See ya. See ya buddy. Bye. Big Phil's crushing it on social too by the way. Instagram. He's awesome.


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[Assistant] There we go. Should we start with the passing yards later? Yea, let's do that. Let's hit it. Okay, we take a peek there. Justin Herbert, number one, plus 700. We all know what plus 700 means. At least one of us up here does. Mahomes is tied with him and Brady just behind at plus 750. I'd take Brady there. Not just because he's in the headlines, but Tom's my guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're passing yards, I'm not predicting winds, just like yards.


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[Assistant] I think there's some fun long shots and I don't know if we have the graphic of the guys kind of on the next level, Pete, or if we're just discussing.


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[Assistant] Okay, so uhm, here's what I'm going to pick out for long shots. Again, this is points, bed props, passing yards, leaders this next season in the NFL. Trevor Lawrence plus 3,300. I think he's going to be a lot better this year. Agreed. And I don't think they're going to be winning a lot of games. They're going to be behind. They're going to be chasing. Yeah, right. I could see him having a shit ton of passing yards.


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[Assistant] And another long shot, if we're coming off the Derby and still thinking about what we saw there at Churchill Downs. How about Jared Goff at plus 8,000? Again, I think it'd be better this year in the system. Uh, you know, see how healthy they get with Jameson Williams, but um, plus 8,000, I could see him chasing a bunch of yards.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Points bet, 2022 passing touchdown leader. No surprise. Tom Brady number one plus 500 and Mahomes just behind him plus 550. I take Brady again.


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[Assistant] Talk me right into this one, Chris. You ready? Plus 5000, they have Garoppolo and Lance listed.


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[Assistant] At plus 5,000. Wow, plus 5,000. Who would get your 10 if you had to put it on one of those two guys?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I have, uh, I'm actually running home to do, uh, to do meetings. I have the Tampa Bay Bandits. Bandits. Led by Todd Haley. Right. And the Michigan Panthers under the, uh, leadership of Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher, okay. They just cut their kicker. Their kicker missed an extra point. I saw it. He deserves to be cut after that. Three man booth. Yes. Yes.


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[Assistant] Mike Robinson, pretty usual, and all-pro defensive lineman Cam Jordan. Wow, that's pretty good.


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[Assistant] I think you should also throw in, I mean, the mug is nice, the sticker's good, Ahmed's wife's t-shirts, I'm sure are awesome. African geese.


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[Assistant] We had, we were experiencing some trickle down foul effects at our house from the chicken massacre we had last weekend. So we have one left and she is so stressed out, she's laying eggs that are like smaller than like a golf ball. And we, we Googled it. They do this when they're really upset.


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[Assistant] Is it safe to say that we've hit this space of your quarterback ranking where the


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[Assistant] I guess poor and average are well behind us. The greats is still out ahead. We're in this area where you may not love this certain quarterback, but these guys are all either good or really good.


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[Assistant] Baker, could he have shown up at like 16 or 13 or do you feel like we've hit a spot where there's a big gap? Or at least a significant one between these four guys and Baker.


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[Assistant] So we're a little ways away from the final four, but we do have the next four. 16 through 13, y'all ready to get rolling?


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[Assistant] And get used to it. Yeah. Okay. Quarterback number.


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[Assistant] I thought he missed a chance. And if you really know the Vikings, maybe you could argue the Vikings missed a chance. But there was that season two years ago where he was still new in Minnesota, coming off the time in Washington where he was, he was good more often than he was average. So, okay, let's see now in Minnesota. They gave him a lot of money. It's a better team.


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[Assistant] Giant numbers, around 70%. Touchdown-interception ratio, great. Make the playoffs, win a playoff game. Yeah, beat the Saints. So, okay, you can win a playoff game with Kirk Cousins. The last two years since then, it's been...


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[Assistant] 500 ish, lot of good numbers, but the team not winning a lot. So I, I was really ready to see him. Okay, maybe this is a top 12 quarterback. And it's just kind of.


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[Assistant] Tell me, tell me what you think. Yeah. Not gonna hold the team back. It's a compliment to a lot of starting quarterbacks. 100%. Not gonna take him to the next level. Too bad he's not on a good team.


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[Assistant] Okay. Good one for you right here. Yeah, go ahead. On this topic, at redandpurple77 wants to know, do you think Kevin O'Connell will take her cousins to a new level?


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[Assistant] Right. Which makes me think about the guy O'Connell just had in Los Angeles in Matthew Stafford. Offense that worked extremely well with that kind of talent. Can he bring that offense with knowing that Cousins doesn't have the same arm strength?


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[Assistant] So Kirk Cousins, 16 for back-to-back years. He's been as high as 13. We'll see if Kevin O'Connell can lift him, uh, higher in the teens when we do this again next year. Yeah. Okay, that's 16. That's 16. You ready for 15? Oh, we want a 15. I'm ready for 15.


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[Assistant] You had him 11th, just two seasons ago. His top three pass catchers. They're all gone. I know. All of them.


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[Assistant] You've done a nice job of pointing out the detail of why he's 15 and Cousins was 16. My question, how much did the playoff loss and the playoff performance with the three interceptions picked on his first play, how much did that have to do with where he is?


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[Assistant] I like looking at his year compared to the previous. And I think he's either hitting year 10 or 11. So this guy has been around a long time. When he came to Tennessee, didn't have huge expectations from Miami.


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[Assistant] But I think he was better than most people thought. He was really, really good a lot of the time. Yes, he was. So now they're the number one seed. They lose at home in the first round. He doesn't play well, three picks. They draft his replacement. All of a sudden this year has a sense of urgency and a feel around it that he hasn't had. No, I know. I'm really looking forward to seeing his response.


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[Assistant] Maybe better. At the Bills. Yeah. Week 2. Raiders, Colts, then Commanders. I mean, that's a, and then a bye. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Chris is a pro's pro, pro's move for just kinda mentioning the Colts and the AFC South there at the end of your analysis. As we put Ryan Taney Hill to bed at 15.


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[Assistant] Because the last four years after the Super Bowl run and they won a playoff game against the next year, the last four seasons, I mean any numbers he's put up have been kind of meaningless. They haven't been great. They haven't gotten, hasn't been a big spotlight on him. So it's been four years in a row of Atlanta losing and him playing pretty well without a lot of people watching.


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[Assistant] This is always the point of the Colts discussion where I like to step in and say, this is a playoff level team the last couple seasons. Philip Rivers played really well two years ago. Carson Wentz didn't finish well. There were things about him he left to be desired in terms of the total quarterback, but his play was pretty good most of last year.


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[Assistant] Do you really think he's a big upgrade just on the field compared to what they've had


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[Assistant] And rookie to be Alec Pierce. I know. What do you think? Well, that's the big question about the Colts I think.


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[Assistant] Can't help but notice that you have Matt Ryan and the Colts just one tick above Ryan Tannehill and the Titans. Are you saying that you think this is the best team in that division?


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[Assistant] I figured it would be, so they're negative 115, Titan's plus 145, I figured it would be like plus 115, like that close.


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[Assistant] Now, the monitor's over here, so I haven't quite seen it. Have we seen the schedule yet, Matty? The, uh, cold start to the season?


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[Assistant] Thank you, thank you. So, uh, yeaah. We circle back. I just want to point out, I mean, they start out at Texans, at Jaguars. Plausibly good. I see written down here they've lost six in a row to Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] And just like that, we're three quarters of the way done. Can you believe that? With our little grouping today. Her cousin 16, Ryan Tannehill 15, Matt Ryan 14. What do you see it? Unlucky 13.


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[Assistant] Doesn't feel like it's going to a place where he's going to be playing a lot, if at all, and it feels like fruition is a ways away. It does seem that way. For the purposes of the quarterback rankings, let's say he is at some point playing this year, so we can kind of advance the conversation.


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[Assistant] But kind of in general, you always base your rankings off of, uh, how you think a quarterback will do this year, not what they did last year or five years ago. So does him being 13, is that your way of saying that you think he's going to be rusty no matter when he comes back?


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[Assistant] You also gotta point out as long as we're talking about what he showed last time we saw him play. Yards per attempt, yards complete.


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[Assistant] Uh, per completion to me say a lot about, you know, how risky you are, how courageous you are. And like, he was number one in the league in those two categories, which I back up to say he's a fun watch. You don't have to like or love the team he's playing on, but based off the way he plays, a guy is hard to take your eyes off of when he's playing.


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[Assistant] Uh, one more thing in the Browns, if it is Jacoby Brousset, what do you see for the Browns led by Brousset this season?


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[Assistant] And like you said, because there's so many other considerations, if he does come back, if he is playing, I mean maybe we can revisit this. Right. And re-rank. Right. Right now it seems understandable and fair.


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[Assistant] How about some reaction to your uh, we always love the reaction. Let's do it. To what you've rolled out there already. Okay, so Homies React to the Top 40. Let's start with Daniel Jones at 21.


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[Assistant] This is from at Chris Sims QB2. This person ought to be a part of the show regularly. I like this guy. And he or she is. Does Daniel Jones have any elite traits? He was at number 21. He's a better than expected athlete, but does he really have top end arm talent, accuracy, or feel for the game? And if he doesn't, then what's his peak? Does he seem kind of like Kurt Cousins?


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[Assistant] Here's a question. Yes. Focusing on Tua at 29, Jimmy G at number 20 from Tie Is Me. Do you see Tua making any sort of jump this season? I see Jimmy G at 20. Can't help but think Tua's upside is above his. With a much improved offensive line, better weapons, more support from the head coach, I could easily see him being top 16 this year.


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[Assistant] Jimmy G might be limited, but that thing he does well, stand in there and hit that intermediate round. He does it extremely well. He does it consistently too. More Jimmy G here comparing him with Carson Wentz at 19. This is from at Grant receipts.


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[Assistant] Tough to put Wentz over Jimmy after week 18 last year. Jimmy comes back down 17-0, both starting tackles out. The Colts would make the playoffs with Jimmy, maybe win a playoff game or two.


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[Assistant] I think the question is about having Wentz one ahead of Garoppolo, and this person at Grant Receipts is pointing out that the Colts, you know, lost their chance in the playoffs because of Wentz.


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[Assistant] It's hard not to. Yeaah. Okay, one more here. On uh, Mack Jones being number 18. This is from Kenny with the Coke. Okay, you got that one? Alright. Does Mack Jones not get any points deducted for playing an entire game attempting only four passes? That was one of my favorite scenes. That was awesome. That was.


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[Assistant] Oh man, yeaah. I will often times, cause on the east coast, it's late when we get to the second half. I know. I'll go to bed, but I stayed up just, I was like,


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[Assistant] I wonder how few times you'll throw it. I know. I know. Right. Right. I mean, is it going to be two? I know. You know. I know. It was a great side scene. It was. It was great. All right. All right. We did it.


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[Assistant] The history of Nazaré will be different from the one it was if there had never been the wave...


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[Assistant] Praia do Norte era completamente proibida. Absolutamente proibida pra qualquer nascerendo.


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[Assistant] They go, we'll let you swear for the fr- we've never done this before. We'll let you swear on NBC. We're gonna pair you with a guy who doesn't really even swear when he's off camera.


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[Assistant] No, I will, I will swear on a podcast, and if the homies catch it, they have a chance to win a mug in a future date, and we'll figure that out.


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[Assistant] Awesome moment, because there was a point where we were thinking about, are we going to take the kids to it? It's kind of early in the morning, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Exactly. We could just do nothing. Right. But I was like, no, let's go there and the kids will see it, to see the military vehicles that went through. And so we had a good time.


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[Assistant] Me too. I mentioned it, but I had nothing to do with the parade. It's one of those things where like, Ahmed, if you want to make a difference, then you volunteer to be part of this parade.


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[Assistant] Maybe this will save it. At the Village Market, this is a tradition they've been doing for years and years, 50 cent hot dogs.


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[Assistant] We will, we will. That'll be a lot of fun. Uh, that'll be at the end, but we want to give props to the homies right off the bat.


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[Assistant] Because we did, on the last pod with Paul, you said try to guess Chris's top 10. It was a special contest.


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[Assistant] Not in conjunction with points bet, although we do like them, but it was just our own thing. Pete thought of it, we put it together. 1144 homies submitted what they thought was your top 10. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] But it's over now, right Pete? I mean, the deadline has passed. So we cannot accept entries anymore. So that was it.


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[Assistant] And so, whoever got closest, we don't think anyone got it exactly right. Is that right, Pete? We don't think anyone...


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[Assistant] We haven't double checked, we gotta go through the list again. Unlikely anyone got all of them.


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[Assistant] But if you're closest, without going over, like the price is right, uh, you will get a mug, and a shout out from our podcast, and maybe an appearance on this podcast.


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[Assistant] Of the quarterbacks that we have seen already, if you're watching on YouTube or if you are watching on Peacock as well. 21 through 40, there they all are.


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[Assistant] Daniel Jones, the highest ranked quarterback so far at 21, just ahead of Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, who are very complimentary on him. Jalen Hertz made a big jump as well. A lot of those guys in the twenties made jumps right at the end of the list. You got Drew Lock, Kenny Pickett, Teddy Bridgewater. Are you happy with what you did 21 through 40?