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[Assistant] I could see that. They have holes on their team. Oh, plenty of them. They got tackle issues, offensive line issues in general. You know, they're stuck with some players on their defense.


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[Assistant] Uh, in some bad contracts like Robert Quinn who did not live up to his expectations. So those are I guess the reasons I kind of made him the number two guy on the list.


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[Assistant] Depending on who's drafting and where, I mean, Allen Robinson is a clear number one receiver in football.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know if it would be that crazy as I sit here and think about it. You know, I didn't think about the trade aspect or value totally, but I think you could maybe get a late first round or early second rounder for a guy like Alan Robinson. I do. And you'd make that move?


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[Assistant] I would really, really think about it. I would. I mean, I'd want to get a feel for how much the guy wants to be there, everything like that. But yes, I would not, I don't think I'd be afraid to make that move. I would not. Like I said, Anthony Miller, I like him. I like the Darnell Mooney a lot. I mean, I think he is a game breaker wide receiver. Again,


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[Assistant] They didn't have the quarterback or the offense really to take advantage of them. And that's where I guess I...


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[Assistant] I believe you're right. And what did they get for him? I want to say a number, I want to say maybe a two.


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[Assistant] Was it that? Yeah. Yep. And Pete's looking right now. But I would say this too. I think Alan Robinson's...


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[Assistant] And I really like Jarvis Landry. I think Alan Robinson's probably a better player than Jarvis Landry. I do. I think he's more of a one-on-one matchup nightmare. Jarvis Landry's a great, you know,


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[Assistant] 1A or awesome number two to me. He's not necessarily like the number one marquee guy where you just go, if he's one on one, we're going to abuse you all day. He's not that kind of guy.


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[Assistant] I don't, and there was a, this is right, there was a disagreement, him and Adam Gase did not like each other. So there was issues there altogether. And, yeaah, I guess the price tag, of course, was a part of that altogether.


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[Assistant] I would think it would be something similar to what we just said there. You know, I can't imagine that they're gonna give him away.


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[Assistant] Or anything less than a two. You know, Kenny Gallade did get hurt this past year, so that goes against him a little bit.


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[Assistant] But damn, he's kind of a game-breaking receiver. Yeah. You know, and, and, you know, maybe I should have came a little bit more prepared for the, the, the trade, uh, scenarios and everything like that. Um, but, but yeah, I still, I think I look at that as right there along the Alan Robinson thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, I'm thinking about like other trades at Receiver with Brandon Cooks. I mean, Odell was different with that one, with the Browns, because there was, you know, you know, money involved, they traded players, so that got convoluted and everything too to go along with it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that, you know, yeah, I think those guys are, are, yes, two, you know, high second rounds, maybe late first round to get a player like that.


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[Assistant] I do have him as third, and it doesn't mean, again, I love the player. Should they tag him?


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[Assistant] It depends on the Shaq Barrett thing. I mean, if you're gonna give me the choice of one or the other, I'm tagging Shaq Barrett. I think he's more important to their football team. Godwin's great, but you know, one, they got good tight ends there. They do have Mike Evans.


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[Assistant] They got Scotty Miller and Mike Evans. They got the kid Johnson that they dropped out of Minnesota, right? So he's going to work okay there. And I expect Antonio Brown to be back. That's where I'm, now they need to hear that answer first, maybe before they figure out what they're going to do from Godwin because they, I think that would make them feel better about.


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[Assistant] Well, yes, but I think it can be filled and it's not going to make a huge difference to their football team. Where I would sit here and go, you know, with,


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[Assistant] If they lose Shaq Barrett, I would go, that's gonna change their team. That'll change their team. Godwin, I sit there and still go, that offensive line.


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[Assistant] If they can run the ball a little bit, those tight ends, Evans.


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[Assistant] Spread team and we're gonna be in the shotgun and getting three and four wide receivers a whole lot. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I think you'd have more value as compared to maybe the way they're playing now. Which they're gonna be tight ends, two receivers, protect them up like we talked about, like we saw in the Super Bowl. I mean it was two and three man routes.


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[Assistant] You better stop the run because we'll overpower you. Oh, but single safety. Brady's gonna throw a strike and their guy's gonna get open enough to where he's just gonna have enough room to fit it in there. And that to me doesn't beg him like, oh, we gotta have Godwin back. I guess that's my thought.


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[Assistant] I know he loves Antonio Brown, too, though. And I think Antonio Brown's there because of that. Now, I mean, yes, he's gonna want Godwin back. We know that. But I just think in the big picture of things and where their team is at, and we'll hit on defense ends and edge guys in a little bit,


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[Assistant] Again, it's, it's, it's a little bit more expendable than I think than Shack Barrett and some of the, some of the


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[Assistant] Yeah, well that's like I said, there's no way you tag him.


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[Assistant] And, you know, uh, I can't even remember. Is his suspension gonna go into this next year? Or can he start right away? But either way, there's just too much of an injury history. He's gonna be a great bargain deal for somebody. Somebody's gonna get him for a nice price.


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[Assistant] Nothing crazy, and he can help their team if he can stay healthy, but that's a big if. That's been a big question mark for him the whole career. You know, I'm really...


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[Assistant] I'm thinking about the trade thing more now than anything because I was so focused on how to rank these guys and all of that too. Because I'm thinking about DeAndre Hopkins, I'm going damn yeaah, that was only a second round they got. But also, teams knew they had to get rid of them.


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[Assistant] Well, they knew they had to get rid of them because of the Watson contract and they just paid Laramie Tunsel to be the, they couldn't give three guys 60% of the salary cap. It's a hard one to judge as president.


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[Assistant] I didn't see any of it in college. I always let it be known in locker rooms.


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[Assistant] I never knew for sure, but there, yes, there's a handful of guys, and I'm not gonna bring out their names, where I just went...


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[Assistant] Alright, so let's just cancel out a few right here, right? Just so we can get like, they're not gonna be a part of the ranking. Like David Andrews, no way.


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[Assistant] Good player, not franchise, 13.6 million dollars a year. Cam Robinson.


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[Assistant] No way. Absolutely not. Daryl Williams, who had a really good year for Buffalo,


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[Assistant] Alright, Scherff is certainly one of the three or four best guards in football. Joe Thune is one of the best run blocking guards in football.


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[Assistant] Is a, I mean, he's one of my favorites. He is a road grader. He does everything good. I've loved Taylor Moten since he came out of the draft. I really have. He was always a guy that I talk highly of. You've built a case to make any of these guys number one. Well, I know. That's what I mean. So I'm gonna go Shurf one. Okay. Okay. Shurf one because, again, we don't know who their quarterback's gonna be.


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[Assistant] But he's just, he's too good of a player, and I think they're gonna play a game of...


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[Assistant] They are not very good on the offensive line. They got, they traded for Russell Okung last year.


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[Assistant] I mean, Russell Okung is, is still a good player. Not gonna say he's great. He's also getting up there in age. And, I mean, I don't, I, I wanna say he missed a handful of games last year. You know, at least five or six games. I thought around that range. Okay.


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[Assistant] Taylor Moton's the only marquee guy they got on their offensive line. And they're looking for a big time quarterback.


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[Assistant] Christian McCaffrey's still on their team, and that's part of the- I just don't think you can let him out the door. I think he is-


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[Assistant] A franchise right tackle for a long, long time. And if you can't get a deal done here soon, you definitely franchise tag him. You tag him with the hope that you're going to sign him up long time. Definitely. I think you would try to sign him up long time to something big. He's just getting to the prime of his career, right? You know, so yes, I would think he'd be a guy you'd start looking at and seeing,


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, he's in the command, I don't know, 17, 18, 19 million, I don't know, somewhere in that 17 million dollars a year. So, to franchise that for 13.6 right now, I mean, that's a bargain. Definitely. Do it all day long. All day long. So that's gonna be my second guy. Thony will be my third.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna make Joe Thune my third. And this was not easy between him and Corey Linsley. It was not. Yeah. I'm really more...


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[Assistant] Lindsley's better than Joe Thune. He's a better player. And, and more important to the, maybe the best player in the league too. I, I, this is where it gets tricky for me. And again, I'm not saying I'm right and certainly anybody out there watching me or wants to talk on, you know, asking me questions and go, I'm not saying I'm right about my thought here either. This is a tough one.


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[Assistant] But I just look at the New England Patriots right now and go, you're offensively challenged. Your only offense is the run game. And guys like Joe Thoony and his ability to get to the second level and pull.


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[Assistant] Nobody really asks more of their offensive line on a scheme basis than the New England Patriots. They do everything on the offensive line.


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[Assistant] It's not like, it's just like, oh, inside zone, outside zone. It's traps, it's pullin', it's get out here on the screen. He is very important to their overall being of their football team right now. And especially with no wide receivers, and we don't know who the hell the quarterback's gonna be, to me,


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[Assistant] That, that, that's why I make him number three. And then Lindsley...


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[Assistant] Awesome. But they got a lot of resources. I mean, their offensive line is pretty good.


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[Assistant] They're paying a left tackle as the highest paid left tackle in football now already, right? I think he's, he passed up, uh, Jeremy, uh, Laramie Tunzel.


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[Assistant] Just to go like, yeaah, I know it's really important to Rogers and their offense, I'm certainly not trying to disrespect that, but if there's one team and guy at quarterback that I think can maybe skate around it a little bit, that's why I make him four. But I don't feel great about that.


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[Assistant] Definitely. It's a very special relationship. Right. And I argued today with Mike Floria, it's probably the second, you know, yeah, okay, tackles, you want that, but center has quietly become.


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[Assistant] Exactly. It's a special, special thing. I mean, he's a damn good player. I guess the other thing that I play into it a little bit is Green Bay has been pretty good at drafting and finding offense alignment. So I try to try to take that into account too. I mean, they had J.C. Tredder before him and now they get him. So it's just like


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[Assistant] They're one of those teams that seems to have a good eye for office alignment. And that's kind of where I guess I made him number four too, but I don't


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[Assistant] It's still extremely important. It depends on your offense and how you really kind of work that way. But, you know, again, yeaah, I think it's that interior part of the offensive line and some of the versatile defenses you see right now, yeaah, it's very important. You know, again, they're all important.


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[Assistant] That's, that's gonna be tough for New England. We'll see, they're not gonna be happy about paying any guard $17 million a year, that's for sure. Joel would like it. Holy crap, he would. Yeaah. There's no doubt. Yeaah, I'm gonna be interested to see where that goes. Okay. Yeaah, and Shurf...


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[Assistant] You know, Washington, they're in a really good spot. They can afford to give him a big time long contract. And I would think they could make him the highest paid guard in football. I really would think that. Maybe they go that way and save the tag conversation or consideration for somebody else.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with Jonus Smith as number one. Alright. Alright. Uhm, first off, I think he's more talented than Hunter Henry. I do. I'm gonna take him. You know, neither one of them is like the greatest blockers in the world. I think Jonus Smith is a little more dynamic in the pass game.


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[Assistant] We've got a little less of an injury history, even though he's been banged up a little bit here and there.


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[Assistant] I guess what I just look at, like, Tennessee is so based on their run game and they're, you know, it's having a tight end in the game. He's, Corey Davis is a free agent.


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[Assistant] You know, to me, and then at 8.5 million dollars, it's a no-brainer. It's a no-brainer. There's no way. So I think that's for sure. I can't imagine them letting him go with the way they play.


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[Assistant] Gotta find a way to keep that. Yes, and well, Smith can be like, explosive. I mean, Smith is the kind of guy who can catch a ball in the flat and turn it up and go 50 and 60 yards with it. Eight touchdowns? So, it's, he's a playmaker. He really is. And you're going play action pass football?


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[Assistant] That's the way you're playing. To me that's important. Now they're, they're right now sitting there like right around the salary cap line.


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[Assistant] You know, they're gonna have to make some moves. I look at their roster a little bit and go...


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[Assistant] I wonder if Malcolm Butler might be a salary cap casualty, right? Roger Saffold, he's a guard who, you know, getting paid a big, big amount of money, but you know, the dead money's not that much. You know, where are they going to trim the fat? I don't know, but either way, I would think, I mean, Jonah Smith's my number


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[Assistant] And the other aspect I think of this with too is, I mean all the things you just said, their new offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi too, coming from New Orleans Saints. I mean they know how to use the tight end in the pass game.


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[Assistant] Now, Hunter Henry is, you know, it's kind of underwhelming until this year. It's a one year thing. But the Chargers, you know, as a whole are in a really good spot, salary cap wise. Right. And, you know, they got weapons at receiver.


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[Assistant] They got issues on the offensive line they need to fix. That's why I made him two. So, I mean, again, I like the player a lot, but I wouldn't think, again, that money right there, 8.5, for that player for this year.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, he's homegrown talent, they see his talent, but yeaah, his inability, I do think, you know, hurts


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[Assistant] Well, you'd hope to just get that done, and then again, sign something long-term to where you give him some more guaranteed money and you lessen that number. Now, you know, again, I don't think he should be


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[Assistant] Anywhere near, like, the Kelseys or the Kittles of the world at 15 or 14 million dollars a year. Absolutely not. You know, but Austin Hooperville at 10.5? Sure. I mean, yeaah, he's not the blocker Austin Hooper is, but he's a better receiver than Austin Hooper is, and I would think that's a number you could live with, and I would think that they


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[Assistant] You know, they're not like necessarily in the best cap space themselves, Green Bay, they're gonna have to figure out some things on their roster and trim some fat too. You know, you look at a guy like, you know, Preston Smith, I don't know, Adrian Amos, some of those guys, could they trim some fat there and gain some money? You know, they don't have


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[Assistant] An explosive game breaker on their offense, other than Aaron Jones, for my money. Devonte Adams is awesome. I don't think he's an explosive game breaker. This is where, again, I'll say this until I'm blue in the face. I don't think Devonte Adams is a top five receiver. You'll never hear me say that. He's awesome.


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[Assistant] We saw in the playoffs though, where was he? I don't know. He wasn't there. It wasn't, teams weren't doubling Devontae Adams. It wasn't like doing that.


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[Assistant] He's really good. He's awesome. He fits there. But that's where I like Aaron Jones a lot. And they are a, you know, again, a Shanahan, Lafleur, run team, stuff like that. For that number?


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[Assistant] Right, somewhere in there. Yeah, I mean, you know, Derrick Henry's at 12, which was like a steal for them. You know, there's the cautionary tale of the running back, and I hit this with Florio a little today, like, okay, you got the scary ones in like Ezekiel Elliott,


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[Assistant] McCaffrey got hurt, you know, this year. You're paying him like, you know, 16 million dollars. I'm missing somebody else too who didn't pan out of the position.


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[Assistant] David Johnson, right? So there's a lot of like, ugh, do we want to do that? But there is also, hey, Dalvin Cook doing pretty damn good for their team. You know, Derrick Henry, of course, what we just talked about, Alvin Kamara, he's really important to what they do too.


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[Assistant] I would, I would be hesitant. I would, as much as I like Aaron Jones, the game is still being driven through Aaron Rodgers on that offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Unless that running back's like ultra, ultra special. Dylan's a lot different though than Joe Jones. I know, I know. I just, I would have a hard time throwing out big money. I would, if I'm Green Bay, I would try to ride the franchise thing for a year and see where it goes. He's not a real big guy either.


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[Assistant] You know, I'd be worried a little bit about him starting to wear down, get beat up, maybe slow down that way. We'll see where that goes. But I think at 8.5 you do it. Defense, you ready?


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[Assistant] I really like Carl Austin in Cincinnati. Anybody that's been listening to my podcast since back in the Bleach Report days, that was like one of my hidden gems in the draft. Watch out for this guy. But no. You're not franchise tagging him. No. He's got an injury history. There just hasn't been enough production there for me to justify that.


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[Assistant] Alright, now, Hasan Reddick. Absolutely not, for me. I mean, absolutely not. He's, I like him again, but it's a three game span. I mean, his whole career is, like, three games this year where he had a bunch of sacks that put him into this, like, sack category.


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[Assistant] So there's no way I'm franchising tag, franchise tagging him either and being stuck with that on my list. And they need some guys on their front. You know, I just don't think you do that. So right off the bat I say no to that. Let's go to the Bud Dupree conversation. Okay.


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[Assistant] Bud Dupree is a franchise tag talent. He is that.


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[Assistant] He tore his ACL in what, a week 12? A week 11? Somewhere in that range? Late, yeaah.


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[Assistant] That injury might end up helping Pittsburgh, is my thought on this. Really. Because, one, they have salary cap issues. So I'm saying, I don't think they're gonna franchise tag him. I don't think I would franchise tag him. You know, you got TJ Watt, who at some point you're gonna have to pay big money to here too. And that's gotta be on the horizon. But, the other reason I guess I would say is,


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[Assistant] This might be one of those scenarios that works out for Pittsburgh where the market doesn't explode after Bud Dupree because a lot of teams might sit there and go, I'm not sure he's going to be able to play for us the first few games of the year. He might not be able to really help us. Are we going to really throw out like, you know, 16, 17 million dollars a year to that? So I really think there might be a chance to where they can


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[Assistant] Not franchise tag him, let him sit there, kind of play the market, and maybe they can swoop in and go, hey, we like you here, you know that, and you like being here too. Playing some poker. And just maybe be able to get him for some sort of a short term value type deal, and then see where it goes, you know, a year or two from now. So that's where I would say no to the franchise tag there.


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[Assistant] You get to the other three guys, and... Three teams, four guys. Three teams, four guys. Alright, so Matt Judon, no. Let's just, let me cross him out too. No way in my franchise, there's just not enough there. I like the player, physical, just not enough of a difference maker to me.


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[Assistant] You know, there's too many moments during the year where I look at it and just go...


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[Assistant] I don't know, I mean, I know he set the edge and did things like that, but he just didn't pop off the screen or where I went, huh, I mean, if the Ravens don't have him, they, they, you know, they can't


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[Assistant] I think that's the thing, added to the, they traded to get them, and they're slow up front.


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[Assistant] Why, why do, we don't always have to blitz and leave them on an island. Let's rush forward and drop seven every now and then. We just saw a team in the Super Bowl do that. We're pretty well for the bucks, yea. Right, exactly. So, that's where I go Yannick and Gokwe.


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[Assistant] Sounds like right there. Uh, yes, they should. They should. I liked Alvin Tomlinson. He's a big physical double team force in the middle.


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[Assistant] And Leonard Williams in that Patrick Graham New England-y type of defense, he's, he's their kind of guy.


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[Assistant] You know, first off, they're, they're in pretty good shape as far as like, not horrible, they got 8 million dollars of cap space and I'm sure they can improve that. But I would think he is franchise tag material all the way. He's their best pure pass rusher, he's their most disruptive in the run game, and then for that defense and the way they play,


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[Assistant] You know, he is New England-y. Oh, this week we're playing a team that's a little more passive-oriented. Okay, we're gonna put you a defense to tackle and let you be a mismatch for the inside. Oh, this week...


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[Assistant] We're playing a really big physical run team. Now you're back at defense end because we got another D-tackle we'll put in there that's bigger than you. He's a chameleon, that's what I mean. So that's where I would go, I would go him.


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[Assistant] Well, of course, he is long-term. I mean, you want to keep him. He's a special football player.


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[Assistant] This would be my priority. You know, JPP is getting up there in years. He's a good player. Uhm, he's not making huge money. I think he's around like 12 million dollars. You know, and Dominic Consue, we'll see where he's at. I doubt he's even going to be able to resign for the same amount of money he got last year. So they'll be able to get him if they get him back for less. You know, Vita Veja,


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[Assistant] Who's a really good player, hasn't been able to play much. They don't think they have to worry about a contract with him yet, at least for another two years or so. And Shaq Barrett is a true, Shaq Barrett's a type of talent. One, he plays well against the run. Two, as you see, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, there's just not that many guys in the sport. He is capable of being a double-digit sack guy year after year after year. And he will not be happy with the tag again. I wouldn't think so. So, you know, maybe you just gotta tag him just to get the deal done and figure that out.


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[Assistant] But there's no way you let it hit free agency because someone's going to steal them if you get to that point. And they're, you know, they're sitting pretty.


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[Assistant] Devin White, I would think, in another year here, might be asking for a contract. Yeaah, I mean, Devin White, I mean, if he has another year like he just did, right? This was his second year. If he has a third year the way he just did. Highest paid. Exactly. He's gonna be able to, he's the best linebacker in football. He is.


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[Assistant] That's where it's hard there. How much money and resources are you going to spend there? Can you get Levante David to maybe take a little bit of a hometown discount? I don't know. He's made pretty good money through his career. Uh, it'll be tough. I don't think they can keep all three. That's for sure. But Shaq Barrett, Godwin, and him. I mean, I think one falls by the wayside. How would you rate him? So you got Barrett one. Yeah, Barrett one.


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[Assistant] I mean, I would say Godwin is too, at this point of his career, to where David is, who's getting up there in years. Did a great job covering Kelsey in the Super Bowl. I know. He's phenomenal. I don't like to say, like, get rid of him or anything like that. I don't like that. I don't want to say that. But, you know, again, I think the reason I would


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[Assistant] Uh, Godwin's a better player at this point of his career than David, but, you know, like we talked about, Godwin, there's a little more flexibility at the position to go, okay, we can let him go to where, yeah, middle linebackers are, are, when they're awesome, they make your defense and those two make their defense.


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[Assistant] And I don't think he's that special of a, he's a good pass rusher, a good player, but not a franchise tag talent to me either way. And they got a lot of money tied up in that D line there already, and they have major salary cap issues, so there's no way that's happening.


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[Assistant] You know, let's go to the cancel it out thing again.


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[Assistant] You know, one, Marcus May, I don't think is in that category. No, I mean, you know, Marcus May, this is really...


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[Assistant] His first standout year. So I don't think you're going to spend huge money on that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Kean O'Neal, man do I love Kean O'Neal when he's healthy. But it's just been too many times where he's not. And he's a car crash safety and that would just scare me to death. And they got a lot of issues to deal with too. You know, they're 12 million dollars into the salary cap right here. So no way am I throwing out like franchise tag money to Kean O'Neal right now.


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[Assistant] Anthony Harris is a good, like, didn't, we talked about it on the show today originally, you know.


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[Assistant] At first I was like, I think they might, this Zimmer, they might franchise tag him. You know, his defense, his secondaries, his little baby. But damn, they got so many holes, the more I thought about it, and Mike made a lot of good points.


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[Assistant] He kinda swayed me this way to where I just went, yeaah, no, you're not gonna, you know, Harrison Smith's still making a pretty, pretty little penny, you know, they got Anthony Barr and Kendricks at middle linebacker who are making huge money, of course the Neil Hunter, and then


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[Assistant] You know, and, and they got some young corners I like in all of that, but I would say Anthony Harris is no. You know, not for a second time, second straight year. So I'm going to say no there too. Now the other three, ooh, I like these other three players, but I'm going to make Marcus Williams for the Saints. Number three, just because of like, I like him. He's worthy.


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[Assistant] He's very close to worthy to franchise tag talent to me.


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[Assistant] But they're, they have, like we just talked about, issues there. You know, you gotta Marshawn Latimore.


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[Assistant] They got, you know, Jack Rabbit, uh, you know, from the, the New York Giants. Uhm, I'm banking on- Janoris Jenkins. Yeah, Janoris Jenkins. Thank you. Banking out on his name. They got Malcolm Jenkins. They got too many issues to where, I'm gonna make him number three on this list, cause maybe they think about it, but I don't think it's really realistic to think that's gonna happen. Right. No way.


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[Assistant] Baller Supreme. I mean, Baller Supreme. And to me, the modern day NFL safety.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm gonna make John Johnson number two. I mean, Justin Simmons is arguably the best safety in football. I mean, he's special. But they're both special. And they're both special in this aspect. They're phenomenal in coverage. I mean, phenomenal.


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[Assistant] And they're ball hawks as far as tracking people down, but they got great range in the back end. You can depend on them to cover man to man and do those type of things.


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[Assistant] And, the other thing is, they're not Ronnie Lott, like headhunter, thumper type of guys, right?


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[Assistant] You know, so Justin Simmons, uh, and John Johnson to me are, are no brainers. Now the Rams have major issues.


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[Assistant] What's the biggest one? Gosh, well, I mean, they're just so far, they're, they're, they're $26 million below. Yeah. So I don't know what they're going to do there. I don't know if they can realistically think about paying another guy


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[Assistant] I'm not sure they can either. I'm not sure. You know, really, at this point right now, I would probably say no.


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[Assistant] I would, and I mean they're going to have to do some major. 10.5 mil.


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[Assistant] I know, and it's not a crazy number for that guy. He's worth more than that on a year-to-year basis. You know, like,


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[Assistant] Aaron Donald, this year, is 27.8 million.


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[Assistant] Jalen Ramsey at 22.5 and now they got Matthew Stafford at 20 million. Those guys right there make up 36, 37% of their cat. Wow. Yeah. Just three guys right there. So now you're going to put another guy that's in that range of


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[Assistant] 12, 13 million dollars. You know, I just, I don't know. I don't know if it's realistic to ask them to tag him. I think they're going to have a hard time keeping him, honestly.


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[Assistant] Let him out the door. I don't think he is. First off, in Vic Fangio's defense, that's a very important position. You go back to his days with the 49ers and to Sean Goldson. You go to the Bears with Eddie Jackson. He asks a lot of those guys. He does. And, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, again, when we talk about the best safeties in football, see, this is where it's, he's, I understand, like, he's not like the sexiest thing, cause you don't always see, like, highlight plays where you just go, oh my gosh, he's just like a blur on the screen, and he's, it's pick six, and when he hits you, he knocks your head off and do all those things. But for my money, he's... You think he's the best one in the league?


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[Assistant] He's right up there with it. Yeah, I do.


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[Assistant] He is, he is arguably the best safety in football. Who's up there with him?


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[Assistant] Okay, I'll throw him in there. Uhm, let me see if there's a- Myarn?


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[Assistant] Oh, Jamal Adams, of course, is the best safety in football, for my money.


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[Assistant] You know, Eddie, I think Eddie Jackson is really high up on the list. I feel like I'm missing somebody else.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no doubt. I'm really, the more I just sit here and go, I go, no, Jamal Adams is the best.


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[Assistant] You know, Buda Baker and Justin Simmons to me would be in that fight for number two.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he doesn't maybe, I would probably say he's three, because Buddha Baker is just such a, Buddha Baker is a heat seeking missile. He has no regard for his body, and he throws himself around like he thinks he's 270 pounds and he's just made of concrete. Justin Simmons isn't quite that way, but man, he's a really, really good player.


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[Assistant] Oh, Jesse Bates, that's who I was thinking about. Way to go, Pete. That to me would probably be the second best safety. I would go Jamal Adams, Jesse Bates, and then the Buddha Baker and Justin Simmons conversation.


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[Assistant] He's a little undersized and he does have an injury history. And they got a guy in Tremaine Edmonds who they drafted in the first round a few years ago who's going to be coming up here too. Yeaah. You know, that's a tough one. It really is. You could tag him and pay him $14.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know if I'd be willing to pay him 14.6 right now. I don't know if I would be willing to do that. I wouldn't. The health of the player would scare me just a little bit. It would. And he's a damn good football player and he fits what they do. Tag and trade third rounder?


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[Assistant] They gotta do some reshuffling on their defensive side of the ball. Which level the most? Gosh, their whole front seven. I mean their whole front seven. It's just...


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[Assistant] There's, there's nothing there. There's nothing. There's no great pass rusher anymore.


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[Assistant] Addison and Jerry Hughes were average at best. There's no de-tackle to speak of that's a disrupter. How's Oliver been? Oliver's been, uh, not, not great. It has not lived up to top 10 pick billing. There's no doubt. He's been disappointing to me. I thought he would be a better player.


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[Assistant] You know, I think they gotta look to go, we gotta improve a lot of things on our defense. They need corners, you know, they gotta, their defense has issues. And I just don't think I would allocate that kind of money to Matt Milano right now. Alright. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I love the player. It hurt me because I really love the player and I see what you see. You know, he does pop.


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[Assistant] That just would scare me about an undersized middle linebacker to throw that kind of money out there, especially when you're, you know, your salary cap situation is not the best and you've got some things to figure out.


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[Assistant] Not even a consideration. Not for me. There's no way. No, I mean Seattle, you know, again, let me just check there.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think they're in like the, the worst spot in the world. They're right at league average, but I don't think he justifies that type of money. You know, again, if you're going to be a corner and you're talking franchise to me, that means you got to be locked down. You got to be able to, we can trust you against anybody and you can't do that with him. So there's, there's no, he's not in that category. That's every position. We did the whole thing.


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[Assistant] And you know, listen, anybody out there listening, whatever else, you know, if we want to talk more trade value and all that, I'll dive into that a little bit more. You know, I'd probably drop the ball a little there by just looking at it, ranking, what I do. Are you talking about the receiver? Late first or second? Yeah, late second. So we'll see.


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[Assistant] That's very nice of you to say. Uh, I do think that, uhm,


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[Assistant] I think my process is a little different. I do. Uhm, I think here's the biggest thing.


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[Assistant] Let me just make sure he's not a total idiot here, like, and just total free fall. Is it, is it decisions that are just so stupid and everything like that? Alright, so that's the next thing I do. Without getting into some other nitty gritty details, the other thing too is I don't give a damn about the wins or the losses or the stats. You know, that's how, to me, I was able to hit


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[Assistant] On guys like Justin Herbert last year who I said, you know, had a higher ceiling in the borough or my homes or things like that.


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[Assistant] The other thing you have to, I think, ask yourself, okay, we see the guy's got talent. Now wait, the wins aren't that good, and some of the stats in the games aren't that good. Okay, so now let's look at that and let's evaluate that realistically.


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[Assistant] You know, one, why do we always put wins and losses on the quarterback? I don't know. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, I could sit there and we go back and watch games and go, well, who the f*** did you think Texas Tech was supposed to beat? I don't care who's that quarterback. Who's it supposed to beat? And then, you know, when people picked him apart, there was a few games where people always pointed to, oh, this game scares me.


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[Assistant] Okay, now let's go back and do we realistically think he was the problem in that game? Was there plays there to be had?


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[Assistant] That I went, how did he miss that throw or that guy's wide open and how did he see that? You know, that's when I came with Justin Herbert last year. I kept going, okay, throw an incompletion here.


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[Assistant] Nobody was open. Right. He tried to put a ball and he put the ball right in the spot where it was a safe throw and his receiver might have not been good enough or the coverage was so good enough that, you know, he couldn't fit it in there. But I didn't look at it and go, man, Herbert just, he can't find anybody open. No, there was nobody open.


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[Assistant] Because the offense wasn't that good. You have to be able to realistically look at that and go, wait, am I, is it realistic to ask of more in this game from the guy?


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[Assistant] So that was the other thing I do. And then, you know, on the flip side of that,


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[Assistant] Just for recent memory here, okay, then a guy like Tua


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[Assistant] That's the NFL. That's the NFL. I mean, listen, if we're gonna go by wins and stats, then every Alabama quarterback should be the number one pick in the draft. Every one. Every year.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, well listen though, and I'll say that right now, I've already seen enough of Mac Jones to go, he makes more NFL throws than Tua did. You know, to me I would be shocked if Mac Jones is not one of the risers of the draft here. I see people have him at the end of the first round and I just


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[Assistant] Lawrence Wilson, Fields, Mac Jones, all going top 10. All top 10. There's no, I don't, I don't, as I just look at it right now, I think for sure. I was gonna set the over under a 10 and see what you


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[Assistant] Right, no, this Trey Lance is the one I'm really, like, just off of TV scouting and things that I've seen just a little here so far. I got major questions about that one. And we'll see where Kyle Trask is from Florida and all that. I haven't really got the look at him real hard.


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[Assistant] You know, just because we're on it, yeaah. Okay, I know Mack Jones is playing with some real talented guys too, but I saw too many throws where...


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[Assistant] There's nothing really there. They still got a 20 yard completion. Look at that. Yeaah. You know, and that to me is what I look for more times than I do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know. The control of the ball is the thing that, it's a perfect spiral every throw. Yep. It's on the money every, only thing I'll just say right off the bat that I don't like about Mac Jones, I don't like the way he looks in his uniform. That's the only thing I say so far. He just doesn't look cool.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, well, I have the biggest misconceptions, I think, uhm...


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[Assistant] Matt Jones, like we're saying, he's throwing to guys that are NFL receivers and he's going against NFL DBs. That's not the thing. It's about nobody messes up.


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[Assistant] You know in the NFL, all the guys are in their playbook all week long. It's all football. The room for error is zero. There's more on your plate mentally. There's more on your plate mentally to figure out what they're doing. And the biggest thing I always go back to is, even in the SEC,


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[Assistant] Even in the SEC where, I mean, Greek gods are growing on trees on the defensive line. You're still going to play a handful of teams where you go,


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[Assistant] There's one pro in their defensive line. When you get to the NFL, you will get in games in the preseason or early on in the regular season and you're gonna go,


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[Assistant] Holy shit. Every fucking guy coming after me is giant and huge and the pocket when I was in college felt really comfortable and cozy and now comfortable and cozy is not that comfortable and cozy is what they're expecting. And I think that's, that's, you know, to me


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[Assistant] Ten times more. You get the 20-hour rule in college football. Right. There's no limit rule in the NFL. No limit. It's all day long.


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[Assistant] When you say it's hard it's easy, when you say it's easy it's hard, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Number one pick in their draft about to become, ooh, this is tough here. Wait, hold on a second here. I have confidence in you here. You do? I do.


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[Assistant] I'm pulling up the teams. Number one picks in their draft. And they're about to become free agents. Like the true number one pick. Yeah, not just the number one quarterback.


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[Assistant] Who the hell am I missing here? This one's actually making me...


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[Assistant] This one is actually making me, uh, choke to death here. Like...


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[Assistant] Hmm, holy crap. Who am I? Hold on a second here. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm pulling up the teams here and looking at teams and I am...


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[Assistant] James, oh, James Winston. I don't know why for a second I was going, James Winston's the number two pick, that's not, he's number one. He was one in Mariota, was two. Yes, right, because my mind went to Mariota actually, but I was like, wait, he's not a free agent either.


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[Assistant] Stop, be quiet. Hold on a second. What the hell, who am I missing here? See, this is, this is where the pressure is getting... It's literally a big one.


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[Assistant] Hey, Dak Prescott's one of the ones that, you know, you talk about, I learned from that one. I learned from that draft to go wait.


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[Assistant] Gosh, well, Matt Schaub is, you know, he's my, he's my draft class. You know, what's amazing about Matt Schaub, you want to hear this crap. He's still in the league, isn't he? He's just retired, he's kind of saying that was it, this past year.


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[Assistant] He, uh, I'm trying to think of how it worked, like, he didn't really play, and got traded to Houston, and got big money.


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[Assistant] Shob was, you know, he was a lot better than people give him credit for. Played in the league forever. Yea, he did some really good things. Doesn't happen by accident.


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[Assistant] Man, I'm just, I wanna say Heinz word, I'm just not sure if he, did Heinz hang in there long enough to catch, catch some of those passes and do that.


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[Assistant] I am gonna say it. Yep. Okay, so it is Heinz. Heinz. Alright. Two others. Alright, two others. This is where I'm a little stuck right now. Damn, did he?


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[Assistant] I don't think Juju is there yet. I don't think there's enough there with Juju. I'm missing somebody that's gonna be obvious.


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[Assistant] There's no other tight end. No, there's a receiver I'm missing in this Dan. I mean, Pittsburgh's had so many good receivers through the years. Alright, I can't get it, tell me. Juju. It is Juju? It's Juju, yea. You know, I just, I chickened out. 21.


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[Assistant] I chickened out, because I thought with Big Ben maybe being hurt, you know, two years ago, with the elbow, I thought, ah, maybe that didn't quite get him over. But we only asked for four. Right. And you got, he got four out of the five, with a, with Santonio. I got four out of, I got four out of six.


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[Assistant] Alright, good. Alright, so listen, we're gonna go from here, it's gonna be still a lot of free agent talk. I'm kinda watching film on those.


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[Assistant] I think, listen, I think by... Pete? Next week?


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[Assistant] I could start, I could start talking quarterbacks for sure.


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[Assistant] Nope, and then, and again, anybody, the listeners out there, specific questions to your teams, anything like that, I'd love to answer that and do that. So don't be afraid to do that, and we'll have Big Phil back in the fold next week, he had to get something done today or whatever, he's old, he's gotta go see a doctor or whatever.


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[Assistant] Uh, no doubt about it. Well, wait, we, we started it off last week with that or early in our pod with that conversation. Yep. And then we ended it, which is what I was hoping we were gonna start today with. What happened at the end? Uh, you had to go to the bathroom. Oh yeah, yeah. You had your old man, your old man bladder, it has to go over 40 minutes.


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[Assistant] I appreciate the openness about it. Like, I gotta go pee. Right? Yeah. I did not pee sitting down though. Okay. You would have been disappointed. Well, you can't pee sitting down at a place of work, workplace. Too many germy butts on these seats. Only sit on, sit down to pee when at home, when you know the identified butt cheeks that have been on that toilet.


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[Assistant] Good games, lots of good games. I mean, last night's game, holy cow, that was unbelievable. It was fun. Was it ever gonna end? You know, that was what I was worried about because I'm like, I gotta get up at 5.30. It's so much 12.30. Can we hurry up?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, well we'll get into that. We're gonna break that down. Early. We're gonna break down Tennessee, Pittsburgh. That was another great game from yesterday. And we'll hit every game like we always do. Little nu- news nuggets, all that stuff. Anything we don't get to big time, we'll hit for what the f*** happened Wednesday. And we'll see where it goes from there. So go ahead, you drive the shi- you drive the car now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, well, I got no problem with that. I would have liked to watch that too. That will be me on Wednesday for sure. I am going to watch that. I feel like I could tell you a lot of what happened in that football game regardless, but it's still a shock. Oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] Right, to see the Patriots get dominated like that, but when you have Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray,


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[Assistant] It just, there are just two hot topics on social media.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, that's actually a really good question. I'm glad that you even asked that. And I haven't thought about it a lot, so you're catching me off guard, and it's gonna be totally my raw answer here. But that's good.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with, with, there's a lot of similarities, no doubt about that. You know, they have the ability of course to be pinpoint downfield throwers, they can get the ball out of their hands quickly on short passes, screens, all those type of things.


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[Assistant] They have the crazy ability of being able to look at read one, peek at the pass rush just a little, look back up and look at read two and three. Oh wait, they're not open. Let me look at the pass rush one more time. Am I okay? Alright, let me move. That's where they're really special.


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[Assistant] We do, all the time. And you know, there's probably two or three plays every game where each one of them, I go, ooh, that guy's open, but you can't have it all. Right. You know, I mean, yeah, there's also 10 other plays where I go, nobody's open and look at the magic he made because he looked at the rush to avoid people and then found people downfield, right?


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[Assistant] There is some of that, certainly. Uhm, I guess what I would say more is, Russell is,


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[Assistant] They can't, there's, I'm the sixth receiver, there's nobody here for me. So he said set hut, he let them go out for a second and he just took off. Like Kyler Murray, I don't think would do that yet. I think Kyler Murray would still sit there and go, wait, I'm going to try to throw the ball and then, okay, if I don't see something, then I'll try to start looking at the pass rush and make a move and dart or do something like that.


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[Assistant] That's where they're a little different, or the fact that Kylo Murray will call some game plan design runs for himself. I guess that's where it's a little different that way, but still very similar. I hope I answered your question.


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[Assistant] I mean, it is. I think Russell Wilson eased everybody's pains when it came to the six foot type quarterback. You know, I think he broke the mold for Baker Mayfield and then they went, oh, Baker Mayfield's okay. Well, we can go two inches shorter with Kyler Murray. Okay, he's good too. And I think that's, uh, that's where they have a little bit in common there.


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[Assistant] Oh, I know. Yeah. Right. He just got unlucky. I think about that with our buddy, Doug Flutie. I mean, he playing football now. He's probably a much better NFL player than he was during his era. Right. I don't mean that as disrespect. He still had a great career. I'd kiss somebody's ass for Doug Flutie's career. I'm saying that it would be better because he was as good as it was. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. Making an offense, fit his skill set, all those type of things, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Right? Is the, uh, in the end zone. Which I thought was the worst one. It was the worst one. I mean, it is bad. I don't know. I don't know. We'll get into it. The one a little later is bad too. But I think the first thing I would talk about is


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[Assistant] First off, they're trying to catch the Cardinals off guard. They've gotten down to the two yard line. They're trying to rush up to the line of scrimmage and catch the Cardinals trying to figure out who's playing man to man here and go set hut. And they have a little bunch package to the right.


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[Assistant] To where they're hoping to get a little pick play for all three receivers to basically pick for Chris Carson coming out of the backfield to be wide open in the flat. I'm sure it's something on film, game planning where they thought


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[Assistant] Oh, we got a chance to make this happen. And his body language said, ooh, that's what I have. Right? His throw was, oh, wide open slam dunk. He had no idea. And listen.


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[Assistant] They, they, it's a five man pressure. It's not an all out blitz. And here's the beauty of the play. I don't think Buda Baker's supposed to be covering the guy. I don't. I think Buda Baker was just as messed up as some of the other people on the defense. And he just saw the back go, and he went, wait, it looks like everybody in the bunch is covered.


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[Assistant] But I'll just run over there. I honestly think they were trying to play a five man pressure and Buddha Baker was supposed to be the free safety. They have two guys covering one guy out of those three guys in the bunch. So either


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[Assistant] Either somebody else was supposed to blitz and it was supposed to be three on three with the bunch and Buddha Baker had the back out of the backfield or


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[Assistant] Somebody messed up, and it was supposed to be three on three with the bunch, Buddha Baker's the free safety.


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[Assistant] And then somebody was supposed to get the back out of the backfield, that extra guy who covered the extra guy in the bunch. I don't know, but either way, it was a remarkable play by him. And as everybody's starting to learn with Buddha Baker, cause guess what? The Cardinals are kind of good. So now we have some other guys that we start to know. But now everybody's starting to realize, oh, I understand why they gave Buddha Baker $14 million a year in the off season.


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[Assistant] So now play it please just slowly if you can. Just keep going, keep going. See now watch how there's two guys. Two guys went with that shallow cross that went from right to left. See?


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[Assistant] So that's where I think one of those guys is supposed to be on the back and Buddha Baker I think was supposed to be still in the middle of the field looking for crossers to help out. Either way, it worked out. It was a big play of the game and you thought, whoa, momentum swing.


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[Assistant] But Seattle's defense came out big. I don't know why Clif Kingsbury didn't kick the field goal. I would've.


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[Assistant] I mean, early on, the Seahawks were surgical. They did whatever they wanted. I mean, they really did. Within the realms of the offense, and of course, some splash plays by Russell Wilson where, hey, yeah, the defense won this play, but Russell still made a play, and it looks like you lost, even though you did pretty good. But I think, you know, in general, early on,


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[Assistant] Especially the first three quarters. Arizona played pretty basic football. It was a lot of coverage. It wasn't like, we're gonna do anything crazy. A blitz here and there. Alright?


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[Assistant] But, there was a moment in the third quarter where it all really changed to me. And that's where I said, ooh, Van Stross is feeling comfortable and he's sick of just playing these like, you know, benign normal defenses and getting picked apart. The play where it jumps out to me, it was third and five, it was 8.46 in the first quarter,


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[Assistant] And, uh, 8, 8.46 in the third quarter, excuse me. And I wrote down, this is the first time.


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[Assistant] The cards did something crazy on defense. And they did the play we see later in the game.


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[Assistant] We're gonna all out blitz, and everybody dropped out. So it looked like everybody was in line of scrimmage, and they fooled them, and he had to throw the ball away, and I think they ended up kicking the field goal on that series, or maybe they might have even had to punt the ball away in general. I think they did. I think they had to punt the ball away. But that, from that moment on, that's when I went, oh, Vance Joseph's had enough. He's gonna start


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[Assistant] And uh, to me that was just one little inkling of turning of the game. And where do you want me to go from there?


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[Assistant] I appreciate him saying that. Yes. Well, like I said, this was that third quarter play, you know, not that it held true the rest into the fourth quarter, but you started to see more of like, we're going to start getting exotic on defense and start doing some crazy shit.


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[Assistant] It was, it was all out Blitz. It was Blitz come out and do crazy stuff. It was a little like, hey, one guy drops, one guy comes. It was a little bit more of that instead of vanilla defensive coverages. And to our buddy's point there, I mean, that's the beauty. Okay. So, all right.


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[Assistant] Let's, let's hit on two things here. I'm gonna hit on to that last interception because that he wants to talk about those blitzes and things like that. But, before we get to that and those two points,


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson, great. Lockett, great. Where was DK Metcalf, right? Another question we have, where was he? Right, well, and that's the big question. Now to me, this is, this is where Russell Wilson and Brian Schottenheimer, they're wrong, and this is where they messed the game up. You can't let teams play DK Metcalf the way the Arizona Cardinals did.


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[Assistant] How'd they play him? Patrick Peterson manned him up for more than, I mean, for a lot of the game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he did a great job. He did a really good job. He, he, I'll tell you where he really disrupted him is off the line of scrimmage a few times. He, Patrick Peterson, as good technique as he has with the line of scrimmage and being a stronger type corner, he gave him a few issues getting off the ball.


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[Assistant] But I think the big thing to me more than anything, you know, and Peterson had his problems with Lockett, right? I mean, those two, he had two big bombs he let up there either way. They protected Peterson every now and then with like a safety that might roll over the top, even though he's covering DK man to man.


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[Assistant] More than not, and one of the disappointing things I'll take away from the game, is that Seattle, if you have man to man that many times against DK Metcalfe and you've only thrown him the ball a few times, you have a pro- that's your fault.


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[Assistant] You let them off the hook. And they did. And there's a, there's a handful of plays where if I go back and show you the game, I go, look, he threw the ball over here. Look at DK Metcalf. He's gone. It's a touchdown.


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[Assistant] You know, I think like you do. Where it's just like, if it's one on one, what's the rest of the play? It's T.O., it's Randy Moss, it's...


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[Assistant] He's throwing the DK Metcalf. He gets blitzed. He runs to his right. Vance Joseph gets, he blitzes Russell. Russell runs to his right.


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[Assistant] Russell now knows I have man to man downfield. As he's winding up the throw, DK's like, well when's the ball gonna come? So he stops and puts the brakes on, cause he's at the point where he's going like, wait maybe I need to come back to him. Maybe that's, and as he puts out the brakes, Russell's already in the motion throwing the ball to be the jump ball.


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[Assistant] Job and not that I look at blame it all on him because like I think your point about Russell Wilson, like he's been playing enough football too to realize like.


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[Assistant] He's telling everybody he's the best player in the planet, the best wide receiver on earth. Right. You know, he just, so okay, yeah, then attack because we haven't seen anybody able to be able to cover the guy yet. But I think it's a little bit of a combo there, let alone find some cheap ways to get him the ball too. You know, why, why was it?


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[Assistant] 12, 10 minutes into overtime before we threw him a wide receiver screen. You know, he doesn't get speed sweeps. I mean, we gotta get him to ball other ways then.


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[Assistant] Screened to DK Metcalf. Called back for holding. Right.


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[Assistant] Show the All Out Blitz look again. Everybody drop out.


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[Assistant] And that's what happened on that last play? And that's what happened on that last play. And Russell, predetermined because he was under duress and they didn't have a great plan the first two times they all out blitzed earlier in the series.


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[Assistant] And I think he thought, wait, they're up here at the line of scrimmage, I'm gonna get the ball, and I'm gonna just dump it off to lock it right now and let him run and try to make a move and go. And he wasn't even close though. He wasn't even close, he wasn't looking. Right. It looked like there's never been a discussion about doing that verse all out.


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[Assistant] I would believe it's Russell Wilson by the way his reaction was after the interception, the thing I see on film, what him doing on the sidelines. I think it was all him. I think it was something where he went, ooh, all out blitz and he went outside the realm of the offense and made a mistake. I don't know. If he sits there and holds the ball.


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[Assistant] Okay? He's gonna have Tyler Lockett for a touchdown. Cause they showed the all out blitz. They're running verticals. They're running three verticals to the right. You know, the old crosser this way and another guy running go. And because they're all up at the line of scrimmage showing blitz, if he just takes the drop and just sits there a little bit,


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[Assistant] All those guys that are trying to cover lock it downfield are way behind because they've been showing the blitz. But either way, it was a great call. Isaiah Simmons, the rookie, and I'm telling you,


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause he's, he, so it was five stats Pete's telling me, and I would bet you three, what, three or four of them in overtime, Pete, I would imagine, but.


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[Assistant] He's raw. We've talked about this a little bit. He's positionless.


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[Assistant] I always wanted to just play him at middle linebacker and just let him fly around the field. But I think like, him taking on blocks.


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[Assistant] Him reading certain plays in between the tackles are not his cup of tea.


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[Assistant] They're not. So I don't know what they're gonna do with them here. What if they took him in that game and just said, hey, you're the spy on Russell Wilson. Sure, sure. Would that work? It would. He's certainly capable of being that type of guy. I think it's just some of the other stuff. I think they're more worried about, hey, you can be the spy.


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[Assistant] It's great, but on third and three, when they pull the guard and Chris Carson's coming at you, what are you gonna do then? Cause that's what we're worried about. Yeaah. And I think those are some of his issues that way.


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[Assistant] Agreed. Like, you have to have a plan for a guy that, oh wait, okay, wait, this guy, yeaah, here's what he is, or he might not be perked in this area, but, you know, on every third down, he's gonna cover tight ends this year for us in football. Right. Or whatever it is.


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[Assistant] Right now, you know, he's a freakish athlete. You see him when he's on the field, because there's just not a lot of people standing up that look like him. But, I think it goes back to a little of the Clemson stuff. You know, a lack of physicality.


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[Assistant] Can you, can you trust him in the middle linebacker and do those things when a guard's pulling? Will he not try to run around it? Or try to make the guard miss to make the tackle, but then at the same time you leave a huge gap, right? So if you don't make the tackle, it's like, see ya, bye bye, running back.


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[Assistant] I think it's probably some of that that scares them more than anything. You know, Clemson, it was cool in how they used them and all that.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, it did a disservice to him as well, because he never really got to hone in on one thing and go, wait, I gotta get better at this. Wait, I'm good at this, I need to improve this if I'm gonna play this position.


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[Assistant] So obviously, there's some rawness here that they're gonna have to find their way.


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[Assistant] With him. And, you know, we talked about, before your ear blew out there, Hassan Reddick


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[Assistant] It just, it makes me, I guess what I'm saying is I'm actually shocked that they took Isaiah Simmons because that one has been a shaky experiment.


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[Assistant] This is, I'm at home. So when the show gets over, I jump in the car, I have the game recorded. So I'm behind, right? I usually get home and it's about 8.55, 9 o'clock.


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[Assistant] And I'm a significant amount behind. I happened to look at my phone last night, and I had a text, and I usually don't look at my text, but I saw Jack Collinsworth, and I looked, and he said, good call on the locket TD, and I was like, oh!


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's whatever. I don't look at it like that. It's a total guess. Of course it is. And I was coaxed into it a little bit. Why? Because...


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[Assistant] You know, cause he was like, alright, we want to do first touchdown tonight, but can somebody, he goes, can somebody pick somebody other than DK and DeAndre Hopkins? And I said, okay, I'll, I'll do that.


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[Assistant] Because again, it's just a guess. Yeaah. Even though I probably would have took Hopkins or DK Metcalf. Of course. Right? Yeaah. But they said that, they're like, yeaah, I mean, we're already talking about DK, can we find another? And I was like, I'll take Locket. I was like, I don't think it's that crazy. I was like, in fact, they might be all over DK to where it leads to a great look for Locket. There you go.


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[Assistant] That's quite the way Kyler Murray can do it right now. Lamar Jackson certainly can put you in some binds, but he's not the passer that Kyler Murray is yet. You know, but yeaah, I think that's uh,


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[Assistant] Very fair to say as far as his skill set is special. It is. It's enlightening quick release. He can push the ball down the field with power as we see. And then...


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[Assistant] This is about as quick as feet as they become, as they come. I mean, Lamar's really quick.


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[Assistant] I don't think Lamar's as shifty Barry Sanders-ish quite the way Kyler Murray is. Lamar's a little bit of like,


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[Assistant] You know, huh, huh, huh, and then he just flies to a spot, right? He kinda gives you a body shake, and then his feet move real fast, and he plants one and he goes. Right. Kyler can really give you the like, breakdown, Barry Sanders, which way am I going, and then he reaccelerates and you can't keep up with that.


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[Assistant] Well, like to our buddy's question, who asked about how about the 50 times, no sacks, all that, right? First of all, he's special. They get the ball out of his hand quickly, more times than not, so that helps out, right? Pretty good screens, and even though they didn't live in all that, but the major point is this. Seattle's pass rush sucks.


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[Assistant] I mean, they suck. Their defense sucks. There's no other way to say it.


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[Assistant] And, you know, early on, Seattle took the approach, really the whole game, because Seattle doesn't have much choices. They don't. You know, one of the things I wrote in my notes, and let me just get to it here just so I don't mess it up, but I just wrote like,


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[Assistant] You know, it was, uh, it's a bad combination. You know, no pass rush, can't play man coverage, and then you got Kyler Murray.


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[Assistant] They did the old Tampa Bay Bucks defense. This is what they did Tampa to. Michael Vick.


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[Assistant] That's, this is what we did in Tampa. We gave the, we had the best success against Michael Vick. Rush four.


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[Assistant] Drop 7, play Tampa 2. All eyes are in zone, right? You're not looking at man to man. All eyes are on the quarterback. You see him break the pocket. Let's start to rally and tackle, right?


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[Assistant] That's great when you have Derek Brooks and Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp and those guys, cause yeaah, they can pursue. You could put an extra guy on the field for Seattle and they still wouldn't be able to tackle him. They got nothing there. There's nothing. This is where they miss Jamal Adams that way. But yeaah, slowly but surely,


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[Assistant] He just started to pick them apart. They started to get a feel for...


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[Assistant] Oh, it's Tampa two. Oh, it's cover three. Oh, it's quarter quarter half. That's all it was all game long. All you gotta worry about is those three coverages. It's zone coverage. Is it three deep or two deep? That's all you gotta worry about all game long. And yeah, they had a few cool, unique plays, but so much of the plays in the offense is just Kyler Murray.


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[Assistant] I don't come away going, oh, Arizona's attack is surgical.


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[Assistant] They just picked apart the zone scheme and had all these cool plays, you know, that I love. No! More times than not, I'm very underwhelmed by what I see.


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[Assistant] He is so special, and because they call the game in a spread fashion and things like that, they just put you in a bind with their players. Like, hey, we're gonna feed Hopkins, and we're gonna spread the field out, so can you tackle him one on one? Oh, wait, you put an extra guy in the box to stop Kyler Murray?


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[Assistant] Oh, now it's one on one with Hopkins. We're gonna throw to Hopkins. Oh, you're gonna play zone? Okay, well we'll run draws and quarterback draws and, you know, we'll let him just sit back there in the pocket because your pass rush is not good. Oh, nobody's opening in the zone? Oh, don't worry, he'll move and then manipulate or he'll just run for a first down. And that's really the whole game.


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[Assistant] I can't sit here and tell you that there was anything they did schematically.


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[Assistant] Advantage Kyler Murray. He's like Derrick Henry. He wears defenses out because everybody gets sick of chasing him. I'm so tired. They do. Yeah. So he kills the pass rush. Right. By the fourth quarter, you could tell. Seattle's got nothing. They can't keep up with them. You know, there's plays where it's over and they're all like,


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[Assistant] from the position of power where they're supposed to


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[Assistant] And that takes more energy away, right? It takes more energy to...


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[Assistant] Okay, yes, but you could cheat offensive plays off, too, to help people, right? Oh, here's a wide receiver screen. Hey, old lineman, take it easy. Their defense still gotta pursue and go get them, right? You know? Oh, it's max protect, I'm gonna just throw a little one-on-one fade. Okay, nobody had to work that hard, but the defense had a pass rush and they still had a cover. So that's where, I hope I explained that the right way there.


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[Assistant] It's, they're trying to gash you. They don't go underneath center unless he's got some gameplay and extraordinary play. That's the one thing I've realized. So when he's under center, I go, oh, they're going to take a shot and play action. It's going to be some type of boot or it's going to be a crazy screen. That's all they do when he's under center.


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[Assistant] So I just would like to see, I think more of that. What if you had Kyler Murray in a little bit of the Sean McVeigh stuff?


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[Assistant] And the Kyle Shanahan stuff. More like boot, play action. Hey, fake speed sweep, fake the zone, bootleg, play action, and just more moving parts because again, what's that, what's that offense do? It gives Jared Goff the edge a lot of the times, right? So what is it going to do for Kyler Murray? That's where I just think they're missing out and they don't need a lot.


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[Assistant] They just need a little bit and then they can go back to their core stuff. True. But that to me is


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[Assistant] He is in the top half of football. That's for sure. I do feel that way. You know, I, really, until two or three weeks ago, I probably would have been like, oh, he's top ten.


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[Assistant] But the Detroit Carolina game and then Dallas last week, he's been off throwing the football. He really has. Last night he looked a lot better. There's no doubt. But I guess just here I'm looking at just some quarterbacks and some teams and all that. I would say somewhere between that 10 to 16 range.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, you've seen, I've seen two different approaches to where there are two losses this year. Carolina, who has a pretty good front four, so they had Brian Burns and Yider Grossmatos and Derrick Brown at defensive tackle. They just played, we're going to rush forward and kind of play zone.


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[Assistant] We're not going to overrush you. We did what me and Coach Dungy talked about on Football Night in America last night. The mush rush, right? Where it's...


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[Assistant] Don't fly by him and open up these huge holes so he can step up and then we're screwed because he can turn on the afterburners and run for 40 or throw a 40 yard bomb.


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[Assistant] So I think it's more of that type of stuff that you have to be really cognizant of that. And you have to have some athletes up front that are going to be able to contain it. Detroit played man to man.


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[Assistant] He's up there by the center. He doesn't blitz, right? He just sits there so the center can't go help out because now they have four one-on-ones and now the center's watching him but he's really just, I held you there and I'm watching the quarterback and as soon as he makes a break, I make the break too. Those are the two ways you're gonna have to defend him.


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[Assistant] You know, and of course you gotta have a little talent, but like I wanted to look at their schedule real quick just to tell you some teams or things that I could say.


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[Assistant] I know they got the Rams still twice in their schedule. The Rams are one of those teams that have that mold.


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[Assistant] Aaron Donald, Leonard Floyd, Brockers, they have enough speed up front.


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[Assistant] And then if they want one of their middle linebackers, you can run and do that type of stuff. That's where they could be special as well. I bet you New England's going to have a great game plan for him going for you in a few weeks because they'll be able to play man to man. All these secondary and safety guys that got in the game, they'll have one of them assigned to him. So, you know, never easy.


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[Assistant] A lot on him. There's a lot of pressure on him. Because it's all about him. It's all him. Like we said, the offense is not overly creative or going to just serve him up silver platter.


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[Assistant] You know, I'd have to go back and look exactly where I'd put him. Yeaah, he's probably a little higher up than I probably had him. You know, I said this last year though, then he proved me wrong at the end of the year too, so I want to be careful about not jumping the gun too much.


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[Assistant] It's gonna keep, it's gonna keep looking good. I mean, they pass protect, they can run, and they got arguably the best weapons in football.


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[Assistant] Well, why? Why can't he? Why? A great team can make, but he's been better than that. I will say that. I think he's probably dancing around that top ten quarterback type of area. Now again, I'll get into the old conversation. We could put a lot of quarterbacks down in Tampa right now and they'd be five and two.


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[Assistant] I mean, don't, I'm not gonna like just give a free pass here. Oh, you get Mike Evans, Gronk, awesome offensive line, good running backs, good play caller. And now Antonio Brown. And Antonio Brown. What do you think of that? Uh, I like it. Because I think Brady can handle it.


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[Assistant] And I think they do have somewhat of a relationship there.


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[Assistant] There's, there's two things, let alone it just adds to their weaponry at a good price, but, you know,


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[Assistant] Mike Evans, he's been banged up a little bit the last two years, even Chris Godwin right now, to where I think it's an insurance policy too, to like, oh, okay, man.


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[Assistant] Evans can't go this week. Oh, at least we got Antonio Brown. And we don't have to change our offense or change the formula around. Right. But listen, Brady was, I don't want to take those away. I know everybody thinks I'm a Brady hater.


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[Assistant] I just try to be a, I just try to be a Brady realistic, realistic person. I think we're just wondering if. But it is, he's playing amazing right now. He was incredible. He's on point with his throwing.


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[Assistant] I mean, not one ball leaves his hand where you just go, perfect spiral, he threw it exactly where he wanted to. You know, even on the incompletions, I just go, he wanted to throw it there. He was being safe or whatever. He is in total control. And they have a deadly formula right now.


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[Assistant] They can run. They ran the ball a little early. And I think the Raiders were like, oh shit, cause this is what the Raiders have a horrible front seven. And then that made them have to kind of load the box. And then he just started Gronk downfield, this guy downfield, zoom, zoom, zoom.


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[Assistant] I think you're right. I think right now they're, they're, they're like, uhm,


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[Assistant] They're invincible, I think. Like the way, the aura they put out. I feel like they're walking on the field like, you can't beat us. We're good. Right. You know, they have something about them. I think every time he comes out on the field, he's going, we're going down the field for a touchdown here. You guys ready?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I think it's still keeping the big picture insurance policy of wait, we don't want one injury to hurt our Super Bowl chances, which I don't know if they necessarily would. But I think ultimately...


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[Assistant] Brady's just been in their ear constantly. Bruce Arians could talk about Tom Brady had nothing to do with this. That's the biggest bullshit. I threw the challenge flag last night on that bullshit. There's no way. Of course, he's worked Bruce with it. Jason Light came from New England. I'm sure he's worked Jason Light with it.


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[Assistant] You know, so I understand it, and here's the last thing.


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[Assistant] You know, obviously there's a relationship between Brady and Brown. Bruce Arians, even though he was steadfast in not wanting to bring AB there all offseason.


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[Assistant] He's got a great way with personality players and teams and things like that. So I would think of all the coaches, he'd be another one you could say, oh, he can handle it. And then the last thing where they really have the grace of God on their side here.


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[Assistant] That everybody's gonna be like, well, if Brady couldn't handle them, then screw it. We're not touching them.


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[Assistant] You know, last week against Denver, they did some good things on the offensive side of the ball. I know you, we hit on it. You know, they usually had some self-inflicted wounds that hurt those drives. I certainly wasn't expecting the showing I saw yesterday at a New England. I picked San Francisco to win the game. But this is, this is a tough matchup.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's domination. And it really wasn't even that close. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. I mean, it could have been 56 to 6 if Shanahan decided he wanted to debate. But I think the thing that I would take away more than anything is, you know, and I brought this up before.


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[Assistant] The bad matchup for the Patriots. The Patriots matchup better with a team like the Chiefs than they do the 49ers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, because it's a bad matchup because the 49ers are a run-first centric team and Shanahan's the run genius of football. And the 49 and the Patriots on defense are built to stop passing offenses. And this year, especially with some of their COVID-19 and opt-outs, they don't have enough big people in their front seven.


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[Assistant] What Belichick has been trying to do to offenses, and this is what I was saying all last week,


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[Assistant] On a podcast, and when I pick the game, he tries to scare you out of runs with numbers, right? Got all these secondary guys in there, hey look there's eight guys in the box, you'll wanna throw against this look. And then they drop out, and they're playing man to man, looking for crossers, and all of a sudden you're like,


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[Assistant] Oh wait, they had all these guys in line of scrimmage and now they're playing coverage and we went to the pass play. That's what they want.


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[Assistant] You know, what you gotta do is go, oh, okay, we're outnumbered of the bucks. So what? That guy's 195 pounds. That guy's 205 pounds. Our right guard can block both of them with his right arm.


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[Assistant] And Shanahan I think made a note of that to go, I'm going to stay with the run and not be scared of that. And they pushed them around and New England has to play a certain style of football. They need to be able to run the football and throw the ball just here and there.


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[Assistant] He gets into this almost once a year, his whole career.


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[Assistant] Because I'm Johnny Quarterback, and I like to watch these things. But where he's front shoulder gets way high in the air. You know, and I'm gonna do it lefty, okay? So, but it's like this. Alright, you wanna go on that one? It's like this, right?


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[Assistant] Every throw is here and it's, oh, I got the ball right here. And then if he wants to throw here, okay, here he goes, he goes to throw it and he steps over here and twists and throws it like that. And that's just, I just go, man, that's a lot of work to throw the ball 10 yards or throw the ball accurately. You're not going to throw the ball accurately that way. No, and he's been off his game that way.


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[Assistant] I think it's more, well, the fact that Edelman can't run 4-7 right now, so I gotta say that's the number one thing. So when Keel Harry can't get open, Edelman's the next best guy and he can't run, he's not healthy. So he's not separating from anybody, and then Cam is off. So it's just like a double whammy that way.


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[Assistant] You know, what saved them earlier in the year is they could gash you with the run, gash you with the run, gash you with the run. Ooh, we have all these cool run plays. This guy's going this way, bowling guard. Oh, Cam Newton's running the football.


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[Assistant] And that leads to some really good easy pass looks. But when they don't get that rolling, they're just not good enough to be able to rely on the pass game right now. Cam's not good enough and they don't have enough weaponry to make it happen right now.


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[Assistant] Playoff, playoff conversation, conversation. No, I'm not going to say they win the AFCs or anything like that. I think they'll have a say in this where we're in December still and we go, ooh, New England, you know, Buffalo loses a game or two, New England could still steal the division. I do. Listen, they could have beat the Broncos.


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[Assistant] His COVID-19, you know, but they play the Raiders. He plays great. He gets COVID-19 and he misses three weeks of football and he's never been the same. And it's thrown them off. And of course they got some injuries in the offensive line. Now they got Buffalo this week and that's the perfect team for them. Again, matchups.


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[Assistant] Don't forget that people out there. This is not college football. What a giant game. I know. And the Bills can't stop the run. Bills all of a sudden don't look very good either. They can't stop the run. And then the Bills, they can't run the ball. So they have to throw it every play. It's perfect for New England. So don't be shocked if New England upset Buffalo this week.


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[Assistant] That was such base level. I can't wait to watch Shanahan.


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[Assistant] You know, Shan, that's where, you know, I have this conversation with Flory all the time. I always go, Shanahan is the one guy I think can match wits with Bill Belichick. You know, creativity, outside the box thinking, a little bit of, you know, some kahunas to do something that maybe you wouldn't normally try. I got that.


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[Assistant] Hopefully that's over with. I mean, yes, I think that's done. I think that's done. And good for him yesterday, going back and getting the win there and doing all that. I think he'll, I think they realize Jimmy G's pretty damn good after seeing Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard and let's go.


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[Assistant] Acknowledging. I'm running after somebody who just pick-sticks me.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I love the NFL Films music though. So good. Man, I love it.


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[Assistant] You're right. I don't know. Either way I found it's way to my car at high school. I used to jam those, those cl-


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[Assistant] Yeah, 11 and 2. Picking the game straight up is hard, let alone spreads and betting it. That's where I want to tell people who pick, listen to my picks in my, you know, podcast. Don't necessarily listen to my best bets or picks. Listen to my information.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to consider him the favorite. It's a good question. I'm not going to cancel Washington out of this. I think if you made me Washington second after Philadelphia, I would do that.


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[Assistant] I would. Washington has some things that are, you know, somewhat elite as far as they can run the football. Their O-line with Brandon Scherff's back is pretty damn good. And then their D-line, as you saw again yesterday, can take over a game. So that's where their


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[Assistant] Cool, now I don't expect them, because I do think when Philly gets healthy and Carson Wentz is still the best quarterback in the division, that I'm gonna go with them. But nonetheless, I was happy for them, happy for Kyle Allen.


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[Assistant] Cause, you know, people were already starting to pick him apart and all that stuff. Kyle Allen's plenty capable of going in there and winning games for this football team. Antonio Gibson running the ball and all that. And then, hey, the big story is just the Cowboys are horrible. They're awful. They're horrible. I, you know, I, I just, I, I couldn't pick them in this game.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta get over the cool helmet with the star and all that.


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[Assistant] The rest of it's crappy. There's nothing else. And I feel bad for Andy Dalton. But there's no toughness to that Cowboys team on either side of the ball. They've totally lost their way that way. And I think for the second week in a row, you see that their grit and their toughness was number four who's hurt.


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[Assistant] He is a big advantage for their football team. Again, what awesome franchise quarterbacks do is they give teams belief. That's what they do.


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[Assistant] Before the game starts, oh, we got a chance to win. He's our quarterback. Number four. Look at him move. Oh, we're down by 17. I don't know. Number four is pretty damn good. He'll bring us back. Oh, we're having a hard time moving the ball. Number four, he'll sit and be in the, he'll get in the pocket and sit there and take hits and run and make long extended. We'll be okay. You know, that shit's gone now. How does it look?


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[Assistant] I think if I'm going to take the, I mean their D-line I think is definitely at the top of the list. Uhm, yeaah, I think their defense as far as just being the best defense in the NFC's. Best unit, like any kind of unit. Oh, best total unit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, it probably is. It probably is the best unit. It is. I mean...


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[Assistant] That's close. I guess I got to see a little bit more of an offensive output. That would be what I worry about a little that way.


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[Assistant] Terry McCorran's a beast, but we've just seen too many weeks of not much from the offensive side of the ball, I think, but scares me from them a little bit.


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[Assistant] But damn, number four, I didn't even realize they were number four. I knew they were around the top ten at number four in football.


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[Assistant] I'll be interested to look at this game a little closer. You know, I think you heard some of my concerns a few weeks ago where I was just sick of the first down run, second down run, hey it's third and 12, now make a big throw. You know, it looked like me yesterday that they opened it up a little bit.


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[Assistant] I gotta tell you again, there's a lot of games going on and I couldn't watch. This was not the marquee matchup of the day. But I know every throw I saw the big guy make, it's pretty damn good. He's got superstar written all over him. Let alone, you know, like we talked about with Russell and Kyler Murray, here's another guy who could like, he can lead his team in rushing every week too. You know, and that's where he's rushing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm gonna say probably no, but I think he's probably flirting around that area.