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[Assistant] If the Bengals get an offer, they can't refuse. You know, you said it, if a team needs a receiver and they don't get the guy they want, so now they're thinking, ah, maybe we need to call Cincinnati about T Higgins. Do I think that the Bengals will say yes, anything?


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[Assistant] Doesn't involve a first round pick, probably not, but if you throw in a second round pick and a player, that could change things. So there is definitely a dynamic that could switch that up, but I do think it will take a hefty offer to pry T Higgins away from the Bengals.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, we're gonna talk about kickers, because that's my favorite topic. Harry knows it, you know it, and uh, Harry put it in the rundown. And the reason we're talking about kickers is because Jake Bates is a UFL GOD.


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[Assistant] Uh, we saw him this past weekend. He hit a 62-yard field goal that was one week after hitting a 64-yard field goal. He is now just the second kicker in the history of the world to make a 60-yard field goal in consecutive weeks. How crazy is that, Solly?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, that is absolutely bonkers. I mean, that's something that I just never thought I would see. Brett Maher did it in 2019 with the Cowboys and no one's done it before that. No one has done it after that until...


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[Assistant] Uh, our guide Jake Bates did that. So now after Bates hit the six, you know, teams took notice after the 64 yarder, they said, oh, all right, our radar is on. We see this guy. That's huge. Now he comes out and hits a 62 yarder. Now NFL teams are just like moss to the flame here.


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[Assistant] Uh, and guess what? Jake Bates is under contract with the UFL. Jake Bates is not allowed to sign an NFL contract until the UFL season is over. And because he's under contract, NFL teams are not allowed to directly contact Jake Bates, uh, about a contract. They're allowed to call the Michigan Panthers and say, hey, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, they can ask questions about Jake Bates through the Panthers, but they cannot directly contact him. So...


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[Assistant] Do you think that makes sense? First of all, cause it's like the UFL. If you're in the UFL, you want to play in the NFL. Do you think that rule makes sense or should it just be the NFL can call you if they want?


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[Assistant] Uh, and so it will be interesting to see what he does because there is no doubt he is going to get a training camp invite once we get to, uh, the end of the UFL season in June. But obviously you still, if you're a special teams coach, there are going to be things you want to see. For instance, is he going to be accurate on short kicks?


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[Assistant] Uh, and then you also want to see how he kicks outdoors because both of his field goals have been indoors at Ford field. He doesn't play an outdoor game till week five and the UFL we're heading into week three. So there's just a lot of questions that still need to be answered, but he will certainly get.


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[Assistant] A tryout. Now let me ask you this, Tyler. This is, it seems like there's a new Spring League every year. And finally we have the XFL, USFL combined into the UFL. Uh, have you watched any games? What do you think so far?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, it's funny you use that exact sample, example of, uh, someone like a quarterback from your team going to one of these teams because Bengals fans probably remember AJ McCarron. Uh, oh, he started a playoff game the year Andy Dalton got injured. AJ McCarron now plays for the St. Louis Battlehawks. So I do think that there are situations


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[Assistant] And so I do think situations like that help and it will be, we'll see, you know, if they last a couple of seasons, that's really what they need to do. Just kind of prove that you can last more than one or two years. And that's how you build.


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[Assistant] NFL. We had some news this week. So we had some news. We found out who the Eagles will be playing in Brazil. It is the Green Bay Packers. We have a game a week one. It's on a Friday. It's only on Peacock and it's Packers Eagles. Do you think


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[Assistant] That this is the NFL's way of kind of, do you think we're going to see more specialty games in the international markets or just specialty games overall? Uh, and then the NFL is just kind of testing the waters here.


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[Assistant] Well, the other thing is by introducing this kind of weekday, week one game that's not the Thursday opener,


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[Assistant] Is you can really put that anywhere. I mean, now you open the door for a game in Australia as long as it's week one, because you don't have to worry about the travel back because teams will have eight or nine days off before their next game. And that's literally, you could put this opening week game anywhere in the world. Although the NFL cannot play on Friday and week one every year because it all has to do with


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[Assistant] Uh, where Labor Day falls, they can only do it when it's the first, when the first week NFL season is the first weekend of September.


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[Assistant] They can do that, uh, like it is this year. Uh, you know, another interesting thing about this game is that Mark Murphy, the Packers president was literally talking about how he has travel concerns and the fact that they might have to have a layover to get NFL teams. Don't do way overs. It's nonstop for everyone. Uh, you know, they, uh, I'm sure you had a layover too on your honeymoon.


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[Assistant] The NFL teams don't do that, so they're gonna have to bus to Milwaukee, uh, to get to South America, or possibly have a layover, and that's because the airport in Green Bay can't handle the size of plane it will take to fly the ten and a half hours to Sao Paulo. So, is that crazy?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it will be interesting to see how much the Brazilians embrace this. We know when the first game was in Germany, it was absolute nuts. Tickets sold out in like 10 minutes. They went on the secondary market for, they were marked up 10 times the price.


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[Assistant] We are going to close out today's podcast with a nice long conversation by ranking all 32 picks in the first round, the best ones of all time. And we're going to do that when we come back.


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[Assistant] Sully, when it comes to NFL draft, people love talking about draft busts all the time. We're not doing that today. We're doing the opposite of that. Literally looking at the 32 best players, one from each slot in the first round.


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[Assistant] Uh, and we are going to go straight down the draft order and pick the best player ever that has been drafted in that slot. And if, uh, my explanation sounded confusing.


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[Assistant] Let's do it. Let's start off with the number one overall pick. Who is the best player to ever be taken? Number one overall. Here's a few options. Peyton Manning, John Elway, Bruce Smith.


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[Assistant] Terry Bradshaw, Chuck Bednerik. And you can, you know, those are just some options. You don't have to name any of them. Give me what you got.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, we're talking about a guy who won five MVPs. That doesn't get any better than that. You're the best player in the NFL for five years.


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[Assistant] If not more than that, you just didn't win MVP every year. Uh, two times Super Bowl champion with the Pro Bowl 14 times. His accolades are just, we could literally have he.


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[Assistant] Four hour podcast, just talking about Peyton Manning's career.


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[Assistant] The next surgery going out second year of the team, throwing 55 touchdowns and setting the NFL record for most touchdown passes in a season. That was pretty crazy to see that. And the NFL record for most passing yards in a season. So do we get it two stops at such a high level? Uh, I think the easy answer is manning unless.


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[Assistant] What a crazy, that's a fun fact. A number one overall pick who was not known for being a number one overall pick, uh, just Sloth from the Goonies.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, let's go to the number two overall pick. It feels like this one could end up being...


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[Assistant] A defensive player, I feel like we'll agree here, and I do agree with Peyton Manning there. Uh, alright, here's a few options, and obviously, again, you can go off the board, go totally wild card, and pick whoever you want. We got Lawrence Taylor, Julius Peppers, Sid Luckman, the only franchise quarterback in Bears history, Randy White, Marshall Faulk. Who do you think is the best number two pick of all time?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think the Bill Belichick thing is the thing that gets me. He's the smartest defensive coach in NFL history, I think. And if he says Lawrence Taylor is the best player, best defensive player ever, then Lawrence Taylor is the best defensive player ever. And you can't really argue that.


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[Assistant] I would also go with Lawrence Taylor. You can throw Eric Dickerson's name there. I didn't mention him. Uh, there are a bunch of options, but when we have a two-time Super Bowl champion and a big reason those Giants teams won was because of their defense. Lawrence Taylor went to, uh, 10 Pro Bowls.


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[Assistant] Three time defensive player of the year, I think it's him, JJ Watt and Aaron Donald, the only three players in NFL history who have won that award three times. So it is pretty hard to argue with that. All right, let's go to third overall. This could be the first one.


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[Assistant] Where we disagree, but it might not. We might just keep agreeing. We're going to find out right now. Here is a short list of guys at Third Overall. We have Barry Sanders.


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[Assistant] We have Cincinnati Bengals legend, super legend, Anthony Munoz. We have Larry Fitzgerald, Merlin Olson, and Joe Thomas.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, you gotta go first. I don't wanna be, I don't wanna, I don't wanna cloud your judgement. I don't wanna sway you either way with my convincing argument. Uh, you go first.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this was, I feel like I should go Barry Sanders and not Homer it up here by taking Anthony Munoz, but Munoz is


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[Assistant] I think when you talk to most offensive lineman, he's widely considered the greatest left tackle in NFL history, which we're talking about the all important position.


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[Assistant] On the offensive line, 10 time Pro Bowler, uh, uh, or maybe double digit Pro Bowler, 11 time Pro Bowler, 9 time All Pro. The man was All Pro 9 times, which is about as high of an honor as you can get.


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[Assistant] And he did something Barry didn't do, which was get to a Super Bowl played on two Super Bowl teams. So.


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[Assistant] Can I hand a tie vote? Can I give it to Munoz and Barry Sanders?


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[Assistant] Look at this whole list. There's great names at every number. Uh, fourth overall, Walter Payton, John Hanna, Mean Joe Green, Otto Graham, Charles Woodson. Who do you think it is?


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[Assistant] We, we do not need, uh, producer Harry freaking out. We hate, we hate to see that. We hate to do that to him.


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[Assistant] You know, I think I was alive for, or even remember him playing maybe one season, two season, but like you said with Barry Sanders, he's that back where all these plays would have gone viral nowadays just because of how smooth he was and how well he ran. We saw him lead the NFL in rushing.


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[Assistant] Uh, and of course, won the Super Bowl with the 1985 Bears. So, we have Tyler going with John Hannah, I'm going with Walter Payton. Alright, fifth overall.


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[Assistant] We got some Dion Sanders, we got some Junior Seau, Mike Haynes, LaDani and Tomlinson, Steve Van Buren.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I feel like this is an easy one. Eight time pro bowler won two super bowls. I mean, he was basically, uh, Darrell Rivas before Darrell Rivas was Darrell Rivas where he just, uh, after he left the Falcons, it was, I'm going to sign with the team that gives me the best chance to win and pays me the most money. Ended up playing with the 49ers in 94 then went to Dallas, uh, for a few years and,


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[Assistant] Like you said, just, it's hard to argue against Teon. Probably the best cornerback, best cover corner, and punt returner. I mean, he was prime time for a reason, so I think we agree on this one with Teon Sanders. Alright, number six. Woo!


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[Assistant] We got some big names here. We got Jim Brown, Sammy Baugh, Walter Jones, John Reagan. Give me, give me some six overall love.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think this one feels like a no-brainer. Uh, you know, you mentioned his accolades. He played for nine seasons. He led the NFL in rushing for eight of those. I mean, that is mind-blowing.


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[Assistant] Both. Alright, then we got Adrian Peterson, Champ Bailey, Sterling Sharp, uh, who do you like?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it probably is Adrian Peterson. You just look at what he did early in his career. The thing is,


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[Assistant] I feel like most people remember him as you look at the tail end of his career.


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[Assistant] 2016 on after his suspension and there just is nothing. He just wasn't the same player and that's kind of the lasting memory that people have. But when you look at his rookie year of 2007 up to 2015, I mean, he was so dominant, led the NFL and rushing three times, had a 2000 yard season.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I think Adrian Peterson and I think my wild card is a guy who was taken in 1958 and that is Hall of Famer Chuck Howley.


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[Assistant] One of, uh, the very few defensive players to win a Super Bowl MVP five time all-pro. So I would be fine with Adrian Peterson. I'm gonna go Chuck Alley.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're going to 8th overall. We got Ronnie Watt, Lance Alworth, Jim Parker, Willie Rowe, Larry Zanka.


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[Assistant] But, look, Roddy Watt was the best, the best, one of the best defensive backs of his era. Went to the Pro Bowl ten times. A big reason why that defense was good and why the 49ers won four Super Bowls while he was on the team.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, another guy I like is Mike Munchak. He was taken 8th overall one year later. Uh, Hall of Fame offensive lineman. So I would put him in the conversation, but I do agree with you. I think Ronnie Lott is the answer here.


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[Assistant] All right, let's go to the ninth overall pick. Man, we have a battle here. We have a battle. Bruce Matthews, Dick Buckkiss, Luke Keakley, Brian Erlacher, Lenny Moore.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, I'm looking right now. Was, was Bukkis the 9th overall pick? I thought he got picked higher. I could be... Oh no, he got picked in the...


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[Assistant] But Kis, hey, you can draft right now an AFL team, even if you never play for them. Does that still, does that still count?


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[Assistant] Alright, let's go 10th overall. Marcus Allen, Rod Woodson, Terrell Suggs, Patrick Mahomes, Jerome Bennis.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it blows my mind that he has been the starting quarterback for six seasons and the Chiefs have made it to at least the AFC title game in all six of those seasons. That's nuts. It's bananas.


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[Assistant] He's got his three suit rules, his two MVPs that I, well, still in the middle of his career, still in the prime of his career, but I think he got to go my homes.


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[Assistant] Ooh, number 11. Ooh, this one's juicy. We got Frank Gifford, we have Ben Roethlisberger, Paul Warfield, Michael Irvin, and JJ Watt.


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[Assistant] It's tough. I mean, I could easily make the argument for J.J. Watt. You could put him at number two on this list. You could put Frank Gifford at number one. You could put Paul Warfield at one.


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[Assistant] We're talking about Mike Orvin being the fifth best at this. And I think I agree with you. I'm gonna go Rafflesburger. Uh, and I'm not being a homer just because I went to school with him. I swear. Alright. Shout out Miami, Ohio.


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[Assistant] Let's look at the 12th overall picks. We got Herb Adderley, Warren Sapp, Clay Matthews, Ali Nagada, and Marshawn Lynch.


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[Assistant] Feels like the answer. You look at what happened after the Buccaneers drafted him.


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[Assistant] Uh, in 1995, I mean, that team turned around, won a Super Bowl with them, and look, he put together a Hall of Fame career and really was the anchor of that defense for so long. And look, I think that Clay Matthews, you could certainly make an argument for him, but let's go with Sam. Okay, fair enough. Sorry, Clay. All right, who we got? We're lucky 13 lucky 13.


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[Assistant] Aaron Donald, Bob Willie, Tony Gonzalez, Franco Harris, and Mike Ken are your five candidates, but feel free as always to add anyone you want.


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[Assistant] It's crazy because you also have Tony Gonzalez, you could say is one of the five best tight ends. Frank O'Hara is one of the best running backs of all time, but maybe it is recency bias. Maybe it's cause Aaron just retired, but I think you could even make the conversation. He's one of the two best defensive players of all time. Put him up there with Lawrence Taylor, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm going to go with you here and agree that it's Aaron Donnell. 14th overall, we got Jim Kelly, Gino Marchetti, Darrell Rivas, Dave Robinson, and Randy Gratichard.


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[Assistant] Coming from the Patriots fan hating on the former Bills quarterback. I am not surprised at all. I do like the Rivas pick, uh, and I could absolutely see why you go that route, but I'm going to go with Jim Kelly.


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[Assistant] Once he took over as the starting quarterback, you look at that K-Gun offense did in Buffalo. Getting the four Super Bowls, I don't care if they lost them all. That is nearly impossible to do. It is impossible because no one else has done it. Uh, although the Chiefs might end up doing it. Uh, but yeaah, I'm gonna go Kelly here just because what he did.


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[Assistant] What? It's felt so improbable and he ran that offense under Marv Levy so efficiently. All right, let's go to our 15th overall picks. He finally disagreed on one. That's a big one. All right. 15th overall, we got Alan Page, Jim Taylor, Dennis Smith, Derek Johnson, and Delta O'Neil.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with Alan Page. I think he feels like, uh, the best option here. And I think this is the first one where the...


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[Assistant] You could really make an argument for a couple, but look, Alan Page is a Hall of Famer. We saw him win the MVP, one of the very few defensive players to do that in 1971.


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[Assistant] And, uh, he dominated for a long time, like Aaron Donald, defensive tackle, spent most of his career in Minnesota. Uh, so I'm going to go with Alan Page.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, yeaah, I think this one, there's good names, but I think this one's obvious. 16th overall, we have Jerry Rice. Do I need to keep going or?


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. Uh, man, it still blows my mind that Jerry Rice fell to 16th overall. Uh, and you know what's a fun fact about that draft is that I believe 49ers actually tried to trade up with the Bengals.


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[Assistant] To get someone else and the bangles refused to trade and so the foreigners got stuck


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[Assistant] I used my quote-unquote bunny ears, uh, with Jerry Rice. The Bengals had the 13th overall pick and they took Eddie Brown that year. Then of course Jerry Rice went Super Bowl MVP three years later in a win over the Bengals. So that one came full circle pretty quickly.


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[Assistant] Alright, 17th overall pick, we have Evan Smith, we have Mel Renfro, Gene Upshaw, Steve Hutchinson, and Louis Wright. Who do you got?


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[Assistant] I think that does have to count for something. I'm going to agree with you there. I'm not, I'm not going to battle you. His stats speak for themselves. All right, let's go 18th overall. We got Art Monk, Paul Kraus, Frank Canard, John Henry Johnson, and Marquise Pouncy.


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[Assistant] Uh, during his time in Washington, playing with, uh, multiple different quarterbacks. I mean, we, we credit Joe Gibbs for winning a Super Bowl with, I think, three different starting quarterbacks. And you had Monk back there just catching passes.


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[Assistant] From all of them had over a hundred receptions in 1984, uh, which, which is just crazy to think about back in the eighties.


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[Assistant] Uh, so let's go Art Monk. Alright, 19th overall, we have...


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[Assistant] Marvin Harrison, Randall McDaniel, Roger Whirley, Joey Browner, and Sean Alexander.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Sean Alexander actually went to high school about 30 miles from where I grew up. So I got to see him play in high school a couple times.


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[Assistant] And see him thrive like he did in the NFL. We saw him win the MVP in 2005 when Seahawks went to the Super Bowl, three-time Pro Bowler. Uh, but I do agree as much as I love Sean Alexander, I'm going to go with Marvin Harrison.


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[Assistant] I just, man, you know what? We might be talking about his son when we have this conversation 15 years from now, but it's hard to argue with what he did in his career. Three time first team All-Pro, eight time Pro Bowler, and of course won a Super Bowl with the Colts. 20th overall, we got Jack Youngblood, we got Forrest Greg, Maxie Bond, Steve Atwater,


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[Assistant] I might have to call you, uh, Forrest Sullivan for the rest of this podcast.


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[Assistant] You know what, there's a couple 20th overall picks. My favorite 20th overall pick ever is a guy named Elvis Peacock.


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[Assistant] I think one thing about Forrest Gregg though that I like, uh, besides the fact that he played in the Ice Bowl, is that he's a former Bengals head coach, and he was their head coach in Super Bowl XVI. So, even though this is from a playing standpoint,


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[Assistant] Uh, I would give Forrest Greg my 1B, but I do think Jack Youngblood is the ultimate answer. Alright, 21st overall, this is another one.


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[Assistant] He led the NFL and receiving touchdowns five times. Like that is bonkers. That is just impressive. Alright, we'll go Randy Moss at 22. I absolutely agree there. 22nd overall. We have Andre Ryzen, Harris Barton, Justin Jefferson. Ooh, that's sneaky. Jack Reynolds or Demarius Thomas.


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[Assistant] He would have to go at least eight seasons. I feel like that's kind of the...


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[Assistant] He's only gone four and, I mean, you can certainly put him in this conversation because he has been so dominant. I mean, you look at, he's got over a thousand yards, four straight seasons and has been unstoppable, uh, even though the Vikings won't give him a new contract for some reason. Um, so yeah, I think you could absolutely put,


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[Assistant] Jefferson here, if you wanted, do you want to is the question.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like Demarrius Thompson. You know who was a 22nd overall pick? I'm not gonna put them on my list. Uh, William Refrigerator Harry. Harry.


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[Assistant] The fridge! Man, the fridge! You know what, I'll go Andre Ryzen. He had a pretty prolific career. He played for a bunch of teams. Won a Superbowl five-time Pro Bowler, but I think Justin Jefferson will ultimately end up being the answer, uh, if we have this conversation, uh, three years from now. All right, 23rd over.


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[Assistant] Thai law, Aussie Newsam, I can't even talk anymore. Bill George, Ray Guy, Bruce Armstrong.


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[Assistant] I don't think you're a foolish. I think you could certainly make the argument and you just did, but I'm going to go Aussie. I can't argue against the hall of Famer, uh, all eighties team. And guess what? You know, he's beloved in Cleveland. They're not many people.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry. Sorry. I see your Patriots banners. It makes me feel bad. I'm just saying.


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[Assistant] Alright, 24th overall, uh, what do we got here? We have Aaron Rodgers, we have Ed Reed, Dez Bryant, Calvin Hill, Cameron Jordan. How do you go from a couple of these picks, like 22 where you're, uh, I don't even know who I should pick there, maybe Justin Jefferson, and then you get to 24th overall and you have a bunch of legends who somehow fell in the draft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, look, I know that we look at the quarterbacks and we probably rate them a little more strongly because the position they play, they touch the ball all the time. You look at Rogers, what he has done.


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[Assistant] Four time MVP, he won the Super Bowl back in 2010.


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[Assistant] And he has been absolutely dominant, but man, you can make the case that Ed Reed was the best at his position in his era. And as you, I mean, we've heard Belichick talk a lot about how that was the guy they had to look for when the Patriots offense was on the field. So I'm going to go with my half point system.


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[Assistant] And give a half point to Ed Reed and a half point to Aaron Rodgers. I'm splitting the vote. Alright, 25th overall, Santonio Holmes, Sean Beeson.


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[Assistant] Dante Hightower, Stanley Morgan, Ted Washington.


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[Assistant] I'll agree with you. I do think, you know, obviously San Antonio home's having that game winning catch in the Superbowl from Ben Roethlisberger to beat the Cardinals. And that is a pretty iconic moment. I think that's one of the best throwing catches we've ever seen in the Superbowl, probably top five.


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[Assistant] But when you look at what he actually did, he only had, I think, one season over a thousand yards, so he never blew you away with his number. So obviously, very iconic Super Bowl moment, uh, but I'll go with Hightower. Alright, let's get to 26 overall.


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[Assistant] And again, it's one of those things where we just had this conversation at 25 where we're, we're pulling at straws here talking about Superbowl performances cause these guys aren't Hall of Famers. You get to 26, you have guys like Alan Fanica, Clay Matthews, Ray Lewis. It's just, it's crazy how the draft falls sometimes.


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[Assistant] Alright, 27th overall. Again, this is a good example. Uh, Harry, our producer, just assuming our answer here as the Resident Dolphins band, and that's because Dan Marino was taken 27th overall. A couple other names, Roddy White, Devin McCordy, DeAndre Hopkins, uh, and D'Angelo Williams.


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[Assistant] Man, robbed of an academy award, didn't even get nominated.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think I'm gonna go Daryl Green. I like Joe Stale. I think you could easily say it's him, but Hall of Fame are one of the-


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[Assistant] His speed was unbelievable, running down guys left and right while playing for Washington, uh, for his entire career. I mean, we're talking, his career spanned from 1983 to 2002 when you were in the NFL for 20 seasons and you're playing defensive back for all 20 of those seasons.


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[Assistant] To me, that is impressive. We're talking about seven-time Pro Bowler, won two Super Bowls in Washington, uh, and their defense was a lot better because of him. So he also finished with 54 career interceptions, which is the 21st most in NFL history. All right. 29th overall.


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[Assistant] We have Fran Tarkenton, Steve Wozniowski, Nick Mangold, Dave Wilcox, and Harrison Smith.


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[Assistant] And you look at, uh, Fran, and then you have Harrison Smith.


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[Assistant] The Minnesota Vikings. So I think that is interesting. And another interesting fact about Bran Tarkin 10.


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[Assistant] Is this, when he was drafted 29th overall, Solly, that was in the third round. He was a third round pick.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, he's got an MVP from 1975, nine time Pro Bowler, so I think Brandon Tarkenton is the answer here. Alright, 30th overall. We got Sam Hough, TJ Watt, Reggie Wayne, Eric Allen, Keith Bullock.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it is fair because you look at the 30th overall picks that have been out there. And again, it blows my mind that he fell to 30th overall.


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[Assistant] We don't have a lot of recent guys that are still active on this list, but we're putting TJ Watt in that Mahomes mold. You are still playing, but you are good enough to be considered the best ever in your draft slot. Alright, number 31 overall.


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[Assistant] Cameron Hayward, Curly Culp, Tommy McDonald, Travis Frederick, Greg Olson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think you could definitely put, uh, Cam Hayward in there. I think the other person you'd probably consider is Tommy McDonald. Hall of Famer, who played way back in the day, uh,


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[Assistant] 1957, he was drafted with the Eagles. Another third round pick.


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[Assistant] Uh, taken at 31st overall, so I'll go Tommy McDonald, but I think Cam Hayward is certainly...


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[Assistant] You could certainly make an argument for him. Alright, 30 second overall. We are here and there's some interesting names. We went through a few where maybe not so interesting. I think this is going to be a battle of the quarterbacks. We have Drew Brees.


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[Assistant] We have Lamar Jackson, we have Bob St. Clair, Logan Mankins, and Benjamin Watson.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you look at Breeze, second overall in NFL history in passing yards, passing touchdowns, but!


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[Assistant] Zero MVP awards compared to Lamar Jackson's two. Uhm, so I do agree with you. I don't think Lamar's played long enough. What do you think Lamar would have to do and how long? Do you think we'll talk about Lamar in this slot five years from now? Is that too soon? Or do you think it's going to take his whole career because of how prolific Breeze was while he played?


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. And it's funny though, because Breeze won...


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[Assistant] Uh, that Super Bowl in the 2009 season and then just never got back and really struggled in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, but I do agree the answer here is True Breeze. Maybe Lamar passes him at some point down the road, but Breeze at 32nd overall, all the way back in 2001 when he was the first pick of the second round because there were only 31 teams because the Texans did not exist yet.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that is how Drew Brees got taken in the second round, even though he was the 32nd overall pick. That is it. Saul, you made it through every pick. I'm about to lose my voice. That is the end of the show on Monday. We'll be back with our oops.


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[Assistant] All trades draft, which is just where we're going to wheel and deal and look at deals that teams should make. I think Prince will be here if he is, uh, back from his vacation.


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[Assistant] Maybe he's on vacation for another two weeks. I don't know, but if you want to see Brinson Monday, leave a comment saying, I want to see Brinson or don't, I don't care, but I do want you to like, I do want you to subscribe and I do want you to say hi to Sally in the comments. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching for Tyler Sullivan. I'm John breach. See you guys next week.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome to this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Brex and Lav. We are both, even though it looks like we're both in the same clubhouse, uh, in fact, we are not. I am in Boynton Beach, Florida, Pine Tree Golf Club, primo.


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[Assistant] Uh, how are things going? We're recording this.


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[Assistant] In between the two rounds, obviously it's 36 holes. We now have about three or four hours to kill until we have to do our advancing interviews. How are things going at this point?


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[Assistant] I'm in south Florida. Let's be realistic here.


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[Assistant] Who is at your qualifier? I know by the time this posts,


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[Assistant] We'll already know who has advanced into next week's US Open. But for the folks at home, who are some of the players that you are coming into contact with?


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[Assistant] Uh, feet for him and finishing second there. T15 the following year.


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[Assistant] But this was the Denny McCarthy-Victor Hovland duel that no one...


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[Assistant] Who's playing some of the best golf of his career?


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[Assistant] I mean, he basically just shut it down for two months.


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[Assistant] Some signs of progress with the driver is not been typical dominant driving year that we've grown accustomed to seeing where macroy over the past decade but he actually hit the ball off the tee quite lovely just third off off the tee strokes game.


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[Assistant] Uh, among what was obviously a star-studded leaderboard at Muirfield Village. As you mentioned, the last two rounds, the weekend rounds at Muirfield Village were terrible. His approach play, his proximal hole was terrible. His distance control.


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[Assistant] Was really bad, he hit just seven greens on Saturday, uh, hit just nine greens in the final round, just putting way too much pressure.


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[Assistant] On his short game to try to save himself and so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he's not quite as sharp as he would want to be heading now into his title offense at the RBC Canadian Open and then obviously next week.


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[Assistant] At the US Open, I did see at least some signs of progress with his driver, which doesn't deal with a little bit of confidence. You know, he can get some, some competitive rust off.


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[Assistant] This week in Canada and be a little bit sharper as we head into the year's third major.


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[Assistant] None of them, none of them are fool, none of them are fool-proof, if that's what you're saying. And maybe, and maybe that- It's not playing well, is, is a mass overreach.


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[Assistant] What was your favorite staff from last week, because it pertains to Scottie, was the fact that he lost eight and a half shots of the field on the green. This is the fact that he didn't, he didn't.


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[Assistant] He didn't make more than 54 feet of putts in a single round. Was it the fact that he didn't make a putt longer than 9 feet?


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[Assistant] Boy, I mean, he, we're, we're talking about squandering a player, squandering five, four, five, six great chances.


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[Assistant] That isn't just, that isn't just average. It's not even just poor. I mean, this is bottom of the field level.


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[Assistant] Negativity when it comes to Scottie Shepard, like it's, it's, it's borderline emergency.


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[Assistant] He keeps saying, I'm hitting good putts, and they're just not falling. I mean, I don't think, I mean, there's nothing else he can say publicly. Privately, he may be freaking out. Publicly, you can't say anything other than, I'm hitting good putts, and eventually it's all going to even out.


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[Assistant] A pretty good potter. I think last year was the outlier in terms of how well


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[Assistant] He putted that was probably the outlier from his career. But if he just improves a couple of shots per tournament.


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[Assistant] Just be mediocre on the greens. And he was top third on tour last year.


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[Assistant] Are all systems go, like we saw Rom, right? Like in January, February, every time he teed it up, uh, he was going to be dominant. The player who is playing the best right now.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the fairway bunker on 16, uh, had a kind of fade on Sunday at Colonial, but he backed it up at Jack's place with a really good round. His short game is still a little bit of a concern. I think we kind of talked about this at Oak Hill too, why, why Victor Hovland was up there.


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[Assistant] Having long, thick, dense, rough around the greens.


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[Assistant] I saw a Phil Mickelson tweet that said like, you have to put Victor Hovland now.


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[Assistant] If not the favorite among the favorites. And look, I, I agree. I don't think you can have, I don't think you can have Victor Hovland any worse than five on your list, but that is going to present a different challenge around the greens than Muirfield Village did, than Oak Hill did.


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[Assistant] No, but we're talking about a player who a year or two ago was, was literally, he was the second worst.


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[Assistant] Around the greens on the PGA tour. It is exceedingly rare to find a player with, with his, of his caliber.


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[Assistant] Uh, in his accomplishments that had such a glaring weakness in his game. So I think the best thing you can say about Victor Havel is that the work he's done with Joe Mayo, he's actually seen improvement. He's gone through so many coaches, so many different techniques and nothing was really working. He would, he would.


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[Assistant] Chip and pitch well one round and really not know why he did and then kind of regressed the next day. Like he actually.


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[Assistant] There's, there's signs of, there's, there's tangible signs of improvement and progress, which I think has to be incredibly rewarding for him. All the hard work. He's one of the hardest workers on the PGA tour. So to see work he's done.


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[Assistant] On Around the Greens, uh, he's now a very solid putter as we saw, holding several clutch putts to make sure he got in the playoff.


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[Assistant] Uh, with Denny McCarthy, I thought this was huge for Victor Hovland. Just the confidence to know, hey, my ball striking.


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[Assistant] Didn't have to be top notch as it typically did. I have other parts of my game that were able to bail me out and I thought that was very important. How do you think? You mentioned kind of the stars and...


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[Assistant] I think for most golf fans, it's going to be largely unknown what to expect there. Talked to the USGA officials that week, like they were legitimately concerned without rough, that you're going to be a 15-20 under par there.


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[Assistant] Which player that you mentioned among that upper echelon, do you feel most confident, I guess, in one week to go?


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[Assistant] Of what you would do against a Sky Sheffler or John Rahm with any sort of regularity. However, I do think if you're not putting Brooks Koepka among your top three at the major championship for the remainder of the year.


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[Assistant] You are probably doing it wrong. The only thing that would let me not put Scottie Shuffler as the clear cut number one heading into LACC is if we're looking at this major championship that's going to be 15-20 under par. Like he just, he's going to have to make the birdies.


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[Assistant] In order to get it there, uh, and I'm just not quite sure whether he can do that. What is that trophy and why, and why are you holding it?


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[Assistant] You could not find a bigger star at a better time for the LPGA. You've had Nelly Korda kind of, uh, take a step back this year, uh, dealing with, with some injuries. Lexi Thompson.


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[Assistant] Uh, now as she gets into her mid-twenties, it's not panned out how everyone thought. Uh, Daniel Kang has suffered through some injuries as well. Like, there is...


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[Assistant] American player, right? And Rose Zhang, who just turned 20 years old, who has literally won everything.


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[Assistant] She's won everything, she's won hundreds, hundreds, plural, hundreds of golf tournaments.


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[Assistant] She's not, you know, exceedingly long. She's not a, you know, a sharp shooting iron player. She's not the best chipper and putter of the ball on the LPGA, but what she is and what she possesses is this just


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[Assistant] Uncanny golf IQ to not make the mistakes that her fellow playing competitors do.


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[Assistant] A tremendous career. That is not a hot take by any stretch of the imagination.


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[Assistant] The all-time best players if her resume then translates.


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[Assistant] To the program, which I mean 72 holes into her pro career. It certainly looks like she's, she's in stores for some very special things.


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[Assistant] Uh, it seems some pushback, like you went to the LPGA website and like there wasn't an update within two or three hours of Rose.


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[Assistant] Uh, taking the 54-hole lead, leading by two shots, like that sort of thing is unacceptable. Like she had a media tour heading into her pro debut, but this should not have caught anyone by surprise. Like this should have been months of planning.


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[Assistant] And, and a rollout to make this as big and as spectacular as possible. It's not like she just decided to blast me and like, oh, I'm going to turn pro after NCAAs. Like this has been in the works, uh, for several months now. She's doing the media blitz now. Like I saw she was on the Today Show. She's on Empire State Building. Like they're kind of maximizing.


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[Assistant] Uh, her, her new found popular, uh, popularity among mainstream sports audience, but they need to go full bore all in on this kid.


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[Assistant] She's that special. She can handle it. She clearly has the golf. And what I'm really interested in seeing Rex is how has she received among her peers? She already had NIL deals in college. Now that she's turned pro, the sponsorship deal, she's, I would, I would fathom a educated guess that she's already making more money than every player who was on the LPGA. And so you factor in that money.


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[Assistant] Uh, popularity that she brings among the audience, uh, you would think if the LPGA is smart that they would dive headlong into her and to make sure.


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[Assistant] That they're promoting her in every single feature group, every single marketing material possible. Will there and will there be any lingering resentment from the best players in the world? Because if you've ever spent any time around Roseng,


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[Assistant] Which I've been fortunate enough to do. If you, if you've read stories about her, if you've seen her on TV clips, she could not be a more delightful human being. But does she engender some jealousy among her peers? I'm very interested to see if that's the case.


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[Assistant] Before she was one of the most recognizable players on the LPGA. Fascinating to see where we go from here. Still just 20 years old. Now a full member of the LPGA, which of course she can be eligible for the Solheim Cup end of this year. She's a, she's a no-brainer pick.


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[Assistant] Uh, for that American team, uh, which certainly just got better. I can't wait to cover that tournament, uh, in a couple of months time. Rex, you were flying back home.


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[Assistant] U.S. Open, uh, you and I both on Monday morning, the next podcast we do, uh, we'll be live from LA CC. What do you have planned for the rest of the week? More importantly, what are you throwing on the grill?


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[Assistant] Never seen, never seen a more pathetic site. Uh, fingers crossed.


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[Assistant] Fingers crossed that Bunkle Belly out there that you will finally, mercifully, get that Blackstone. Big news, speaking of grills, for me as well, I'm finally placing the order for the offset smoker that I've been teasing for several months now.


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[Assistant] We got a lot of hand, did a lot of hand wringing, did a lot of perseverating over what I was actually going to get. I've finally decided, Rex, uh, to get what is called a Workhorse 1969. It is an absolutely beautiful smoker. The difference between that and the Shirley that I was looking at. It's a direct flow smoker, uh, as opposed to the reverse flow for the Shirley is I just,


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[Assistant] I watch a lot of YouTube videos, uh, a lot, uh, I follow all the barbecue pitmasters on Instagram. I've made no bones about it. I'm a wannabe.


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[Assistant] Uh, barbecue influencer. All these guys have.


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[Assistant] Uh, with what is a bit of a tank, it's like 750, 800 pounds. Uh, it's gonna be in the back left corner. Uh, but look, YOLO.


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[Assistant] I could die next year. I could die in five years. I want to do what makes me happy. Wow, that's dark. Alright. It is. But YOLO.


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[Assistant] Anything more than I already would? Uh, I'm not, I'm not fully opposed to it.


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[Assistant] Uh, send us free samples. We will be the greatest pitchman you've ever had. Alright, let's get to it for this edition.


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[Assistant] Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lab. Make sure you guys check out Golf Channel for all of our reports from Golf's Longest Day. Make sure you go to golfchannel.com.


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[Assistant] For all the news and updates from the RBC Canadian Open, Roy McIlroy is the defending champion. We'll be back next week. Special pod. Do the preview pod on Tuesday at LACC and then Rex Dremel, please. Mini pods each and every night.


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[Assistant] from the US Open. You are not actually leaving this one early. You'll be able to see this one through to the conclusion on Sunday night. Uh, look forward to that. Thank you guys for listening to this edition. We'll talk to you next week live from LA.


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[Assistant] I'm sure you've had a really difficult process over the years, every year dealing with this, huh, Brinson?


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[Assistant] I can give, I can definitely give you my favorite because I had a lot of people who came out for the draft for my year and I'll never forget my grandmother.


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[Assistant] She was telling like everyone in the lobby that she was my grandma. She was so proud of me. Grandma Peg.


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[Assistant] No, this is, this is crazy Rob's, crazy Rob's mom. And, uh, I came back in and like every person I like would see would be like, I met your grandmother. I met your grandmother. I met your grandma. You're in the front desk. I met your grandma. And I was like, oh,


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[Assistant] She's so proud, you know, uh, but at the same time, I also felt like she gave the NFL staff there a really, really hard time.


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[Assistant] Cause she was extremely needy. It was like all of a sudden, everyone who was there working for the NFL, it was just like, are you working for the NFL?


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[Assistant] Can you help me with this? And she was like, it was like all of a sudden they became an extension of the hotel, you know, so anything she needed coffee, something else, she was just going to other people at the hotel for, but she was a really, really proud grandma. So it was kind of funny watching her operate.


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[Assistant] Uh, and uh, yeah, that was, that was probably one of the coolest things, just seeing how proud like little grandma Peg was.


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[Assistant] I, I do think that it'll be interesting to see who's, who's there at three for them. Yes. And if they decide to sit and take that quarterback, or if they do trade back, because to Leger's point, they're, they do need multiple positions. This is not a roster that, you know, fairs extremely well compared to the other teams within the division. So,


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[Assistant] Talked about a playmaker wide receiver. That's a spot. Maybe the offensive line is another position you look at. Defense is pretty good for the most part, but.


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[Assistant] Even if Jacoby can take you this year, the question really becomes like, what are you selling?


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[Assistant] You know, life after Tom Brady was, hey, we're drafting a first round quarterback.


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[Assistant] They've got to sell something. And I think that's the tough thing is this roster's got some holes. They want to fill with some first round draft talent. Maybe trading back makes sense if they're not in love with the guy who's there. But they still need to dress the quarterback spot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, to answer your question, Will, I'll rank them this way. I think Minnesota ranks number one because they have the draft capital to move up and actually, you know, trade and make a selection at quarterback. So I'd rank them number one.


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[Assistant] I think Denver's then number two for this reason. They don't have much draft capital. Like if they don't make a quarterback selection in the first round.


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[Assistant] From a desperation or scarcity standpoint of picks, Denver would be number two in that regard. And then I'll put Las Vegas at number three of this group.


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[Assistant] And apart cause you've got Minshew, we saw how we replaced Anthony Richardson last year once he got injured, came in, started, still gave them a shot to make the playoffs. So I feel like they could get through this year. You know, if they drafted a quarterback and the subsequent rounds, uh, second, third round, a guy needs to sit, learn a little bit and eventually take over. So.


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[Assistant] That's how I've ranked those three, but I tend to kind of be with Leger here. I think they're all probably going to take a quarterback.


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[Assistant] Probably Minnesota and Las Vegas maybe in the first round, uh, but I wouldn't.


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[Assistant] I was going to ask you in one way that I look at that as like a red flag for JJ McCarthy, but I think every coach would look at it and say, if you've got Justin Herbert, which we've heard Jim Harbaugh kind of ooh and all about, you know, Justin Herbert in the past.


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[Assistant] Maybe you're okay with that. I mean, at this point, you've gotta really look at it and say, I'm doing what's best for my roster. If someone offers me an offer that I can't refuse, that sounds rather rich, and I'm trying to build back up a roster that had some salary cap restructuring to do this year.


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[Assistant] There's that element of it too, where he knows a lot of the folks back there, so maybe that actually helps facilitate a trade more in getting the deal done. We tend to think that just because you're division rivals, that's what doesn't allow teams to create trades, but it really comes down to relationships and


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[Assistant] You know, how those trades are orchestrated. So that's the one thing that kind of stands out to me.


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[Assistant] And I, I don't know, you're gonna kinda probably push back on that, given your extensive knowledge of Jim Harbaugh, but I also feel like there's an element of, of that that's out there.


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[Assistant] So I don't know that I'd, well, I guess I would actually.


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[Assistant] I wonder, as far as adding seems, I wonder what like Arizona.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, you've got the Dallas Cowboys with Dak going into his final year. I know Trey Lance is on that roster, but that would be an interesting one to discuss. And I think Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's other one's like, you're not paying much for Russell, you're not paying much for Justin Fields. Omar Khans come out and said basically they're like,


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[Assistant] It's not outside of chance that they don't, you know, they might draft a quarterback, so.


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[Assistant] Those would be the few teams that throw into it, but I think the Giants are one that I would for sure put in they would category. Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] So that's a team that, you know, for your reasoning about Will Levis in Tennessee, I wouldn't put them in. They would. I think they, he did enough last year to prove getting a shot this year.


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[Assistant] I guess my thought there would be you're thinking in your mind like you hope someone drops to us, otherwise we'll just get through this year with Daniel Jones and Drew La. Because if you are in like the top three, top two,


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, Daniel Jones, when he's healthy, if we can, right? Like that would be some of the thought process, I think, but again, you're not offloading that contract. So they're kind of stuck with them for the rest of this year.


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[Assistant] It's easy to say that if you're a top 4 pick, top 3 pick.


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[Assistant] Then maybe you would be, but obviously Pittsburgh's not there, so it's kind of a hypothetical, but I'm saying it's easy to see you're not going to take one the first round if you know, you're not drafting in that position.


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[Assistant] Will, you brought up the Rams, why not throw them in that group?


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[Assistant] I think the idea there is like... Because he's close with J.J. McCarthy, you figured, you know, is that the thought process with it? Because it really doesn't make sense otherwise when you have...


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[Assistant] You're drafting to find that guy. You already have that guy in Justin Herbert. Correct.


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[Assistant] I don't know how we spent all this time of our lives talking about this scenario that's not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] You show the card to the cap ramifications. You're like, okay, this is real life. This is like when you're a kid, you're having this conversation with your parents and they're like, oh yeah, sure, honey. Sure. Then like.


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[Assistant] You know, we're not going to budget that for the vacation this year, right? Like you had these dreams of going to Disney World and then meanwhile you're really just going to, uh, that little 25 cent machine where you get like to hit the button, you get like Mickey Mouse that comes on down a little slide and a little like plastic thing that you get from the grocery stores.


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[Assistant] You guys want to do like a deep fresco where I go, I think Marvin Harrison Jr. and Joel are, are, they're going to be great future Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] I will say this, he did have Chop Robinson going top 10. I saw that today. I haven't seen many people do that, but kudos to Pete. Uhm, he's a great talent. Maybe teams do feel that way about him. Uhm, but either way again, it's like,


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[Assistant] I could definitely see that. I mean, we always talk about like scarcity too, when it comes to some of the top talent positions. If they take Byron Murphy over some of these other positions, it's not that, you know, they feel like they're always necessarily a better overall prospect or have a better draft prospect. Great. It might be a greater need slash the difference between Byron Murphy and the next D tackle might be so great that when you got the chance to take him, you got to take him. Um, there might be some thinking like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, I really like Kuwait McHistory. I think he's just a solid player. I don't know where he's gonna go.


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[Assistant] In the first round, I do think he's a first round talent. I'd be surprised if he went outside of that. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] I just, I think you look at his coverage skills. I think you look at his overall, you know, style of play, the coaching, you know, playing under Nick Saban at Alabama. He'll be very well prepared.


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[Assistant] for the next level. And I just, I have a hard time believing he's not going to be inserted as a day one starter, just solid, uh, for the entirety of his career. So Colleen McHistory is, is, I'm not saying getting lost in the shuffle of the Terry on Arnold, who I think gets a little more love.


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[Assistant] Uh, from the same team, obviously, and, and Nate Wiggins, some of the others that we talked about, Quinian Mitchell, cause he's a smaller school guy, not known as well. Everyone loves to like, you know, pump him up.


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[Assistant] I think Cooley McHistory is a guy that I'd love to have on my team. I think he's a, he's a heck of a player.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's fascinating to see, you know, just how that translates onto the field immediately as a rookie. You know, you're more mature. A lot of these young men have lived through the era now where they've been.


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[Assistant] And with that comes responsibilities. It comes all the things that, that back for us when we were leaving college and getting into the NFL, you know, yes, you're leaving behind your academic schedule and the time management that you had in your life with that. But then you had all these other responsibilities.


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[Assistant] with sponsors and marketing, everything else that comes along. These guys are prepared for that. They've been through that now for a number of years. So I think.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, exactly. Uhm, throwing subway sandwiches at people.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually the best was, we did a rookie hazing where like they basically like buzzed off some of our hair and I was always, I always stay late after practice, so like.


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[Assistant] I basically got out of it for a very long extended period of time.


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[Assistant] My rookie, uh, season that, that, you know, in the, in the training camp in the preseason. And it wasn't until...


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[Assistant] Like finally one of the last days, I think it might have been like when we were breaking camp.


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[Assistant] And Ted Washington who was this gigantic defensive tackle.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I had a longer hair, but well, cause a lot of people don't know, like I used to cut it and donate it. So there's a program called Wigs for Kids there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and that's why I used to cut it off and donate it. So anyway, the problem was the way they did it.


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[Assistant] We had just broken camp, but we still had like one or two preseason games left, so it probably was before our third one.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I remember like, it was like, it was like BOOP.


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[Assistant] BOOM! And it like, the way it looked with the long hair, I was just like, I literally went right next door into the barber that we had there and I was like, just edged me up and buzzed the rest of it off man. That's awesome.


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[Assistant] Oh, but that would be with the Subway deal because I literally had a Subway commercial the next week and like my marketing agent hadn't seen me and so I popped into like the trailer and they're setting up and he's like, Oh God. He's like, what happened to you? I was like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sorry about that. It was like a rookie hazing thing. And he goes, uh, let me talk to them and see if, uh, we want to go through with this. And I was like, well, cause they were like, I do their word, like our people are recognized with buzzed hair. Like that's not really a thing. And.


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[Assistant] Uh, I was like, yeaah, sorry. I was like, I would've told you, but I didn't think it'd be that big of a deal.


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[Assistant] And so basically someone came back, they're like, uh, everyone's here, they're ready to film it, so they're just gonna go through with it. I was like, alright.


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[Assistant] You know what? Can I make a pitch though to make a Jersey Mike subs? Yeah, absolutely.


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[Assistant] So it's not predictive right now, is that what you're saying? It's reactive to the market and to the room.


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[Assistant] Whee! Alright. Alright, who's going third overall? I've got the third pick and it's the New England Patriots, but there's a trade.


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[Assistant] The Minnesota Vikings are trading.


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[Assistant] The Vikings are selecting quarterback Drake May out of North Carolina.


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[Assistant] We talked about this earlier. You feel like it's not going to happen. I think it is going to happen. I think the LA Chargers sitting at number five just picked up the phone and Tom Telesco, a familiar voice is on the other end, is on the line and they're saying, Hey,


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[Assistant] We're willing to give you our 13th overall pick in the first round this year, our number 44 overall pick, our second round pick, our 2025 first round pick and our 2025 third round pick.


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[Assistant] In order to move up to get Michael Pennex Jr. at number five. Wait, wait, Michael Pennex Jr.? Yes.


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[Assistant] That's what, that's what, that's what I think is gonna happen in this case. They're probably gonna be like, hey, well, who's a four? Like Michael Pennex.


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[Assistant] Probably not, but in this specific hypothetical that we're going through that we're so excited about.


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[Assistant] Which is again, one of the reasons why I think this trade within the division is possible. Jim Harbaugh feels confident about his ability after beating Michael Pennex in the national championship game.


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[Assistant] And having that defensive game plan to beat him, that he would allow the Las Vegas Raiders who need a quarterback to go up to five to take one. And in this case, yes, there's other needs for the Raiders, and maybe they could have waited back, but once Penix got to this point, I've got them hypothetically trading up to take him. You got Minshew as the backup, uh, but yeaah. Look, I love Michael Penix's tape. I think he had the second best tape of everyone to Jaden Daniels this past year. People keep talking about like who's going to be the next CJ Shroud.


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[Assistant] Well, Michael Pennex Jr.'s tape from his final year of Washington is what most closely mimics C.J. Stroud. The only difference is he didn't cap off his career with the best game of his career, like Stroud did versus Georgia, even though it was a loss. That's the most unfortunate part, I think, of Michael Pennex Jr., given how well he played the last two years.


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[Assistant] They definitely would, but in this case, they're not because they've got Joe all and they need some protection, okay?


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[Assistant] They've gotta know, they've got some wide receivers I think they feel good about and they can get some of those wide receivers too.


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[Assistant] And subsequent rounds, but you're not gonna be able to find another left tackle like Joe Ault, so.


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[Assistant] Joe Ault is the pick here for the Tennessee Titans. I would say up there next to Marvin Harrison is the best overall prospect in this draft.


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[Assistant] Ryan Poles is sprinting to the table to put in the name Malik Neighbors at number nine overall for the Chicago Bears. Easy selection.


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[Assistant] Some would say like Pete that they feel like he's the best wide receiver in this draft class. He's got to wiggle to him.


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[Assistant] I know they've got Kenan Allen, DJ Moore, but Kenan Allen's been up there in years. And think about supplying Caleb Williams, Malik Neighbors, DJ Moore and Kenan Allen. That's going to be helpful in building this franchise back up.


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[Assistant] New England finally makes their first round pick after trading back from the number three spot with Minnesota.


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[Assistant] Uh, surprise this, this guy's still on the board. Some people might feel like this is a bit rich, uh, for this spot, but JC Latham, uh, out of Alabama. I love it.


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[Assistant] Building up the offensive line, love his tape, love his ability. Uh, it's not always the sexiest pick picking an offensive tackle at this spot. Uhm, there's some other spots they're gonna fill, but they do have some more picks left in this first round.


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[Assistant] That's correct. The LHR just trading back from the number five spot with the Las Vegas Raiders. We've heard Jim Harbaugh talking about wanting to beef up.


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[Assistant] That offensive line. I've got them going with an offensive lineman here. We talked about, uh, what would they do with Rashawn Slater. I think Thalys Fulaga, uh, ends up kicking over the right tackle spot. So I'm going to help protect Justin Herbert. I feel like we probably could have looked at a wide receiver too at this spot. Uh, but.


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[Assistant] Still some time to, I think, grab a wide receiver that can help us out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I've got still a defensive player that I feel like is one of the best in this draft, this draft class. Uh, number of spots we could go here, but Quinion Mitchell, I think would be a great addition or a secondary. So that's where I'm going with the number 15 overall pick for the Colts.


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[Assistant] Here's what I want Will to do. Will, scroll back up to the working document and read the asterisk and what it says, alright? Uhm. At the beginning of the draft, Will. I'm following his cursor as he goes up.


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[Assistant] Okay, so go back down to the number 17 overall pick for the Jacksonville Jaguars. You notice the small asterisk there?


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[Assistant] So clearly the Rams were trying to work out, facilitate a trade with the Jacksonville Jaguars and it was going to be for one Byron Murphy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know, I know. Uhm, man, I just really had that trade in the back of my mind. Probably could, probably could go. You know what? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna stick with the trade. The Rams. Oh really? The Rams on their board.


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[Assistant] I have a player they feel really good about, not quite as good as Byron Murphy.


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[Assistant] They're going with Johnny Newton, alright. They're staying in the interior of the defensive line, trying to replace what they've lost in Aaron Donald, and we feel like there's a drop-off from Byron Murphy and John Newton.


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[Assistant] Uh, to the next group. So it'll be Johnny Newton, the pick.


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[Assistant] For the Los Angeles Lamps, trading back, or excuse me, trading up with the Jacksonville Jaguars. We're going to move back a couple spots.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure that it's a need for them. And you know, honestly, looking at the roster, I think you could make probably a case for a quarterback. That's a position that we, uh, we looked at a decent amount, but we also feel like we'd like.


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[Assistant] This is one that might be a little controversial, but I feel like if we don't make, you know, if we don't exercise the pick for this particular player now, we don't feel like he's going to be there. Uhm, it's going to be AD Mitchell, a wide receiver. I like it. I'm not mad at that. He's still on the board for us. We really like what we feel like he can be.


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[Assistant] But they must have invested some money there. So, uh, I'm actually going with a different spot. Jackson Powers Johnson. Uh, Tuo talking about Loa, can't throw off his back. Uh, so.


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[Assistant] We're going to have to share up the interior of the offensive line. Bit of a drop off here for some of the interior offensive line players to the next guy. So Jackson Powers Johnson, uh, goes to the Dolphins at number 21.


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[Assistant] This is a tough pick because I think you're not talking about that territory where you could potentially get a team that wants to trade up.


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[Assistant] Take a quarterback, get the fifth year option. Uh, clearly that's gonna be a need for the New England Patriots. They love Bo Nix.


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[Assistant] Do they not? Uhm, that's kind of a big question mark for me. I think I look at a couple of the players that's a need for them on this roster. Wide receiver position is one that we've got to address. We took JC Latham earlier. In this case then, I'm going to go with Xavier LeGette.


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[Assistant] I had a South Carolina bigger body of wide receiver that I think might surprise some people, but could potentially develop into that number one overall wide receiver.


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[Assistant] I think there's, like again, we don't know what all these teams know in regards to medical, in regards to the interview process and what they're value and what they're not. You know, uhm, like a guy like him and, and, and Lad McConkey, who I also contemplate in this spot, I love their tape, yet we seem to be enamored on the outside with Xavier Worthy's speed. You know, is that, is that, you know, somebody who factors in there too?


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[Assistant] I don't know, it all depends on what the team's looking for, what they feel like they're getting in that player. So uhm, you know, I'm looking at this more as, hey, this is where the New England Patriots, they've taken quarterbacks in the second round in previous years. Uh, but we talked about the scenario before, they've got to find a guy at some point, unless it's Jacoby Reset. Maybe they feel like they can accomplish that in the second round.


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[Assistant] So the Green Bay Packers, uh, looking at what we've got here.


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[Assistant] You know, Nate Wiggins at cornerback would be a position that we just feel like he's a heck of a player. It's probably too good to pass up at this point. However, we feel like there's maybe some offensive linemen too that aren't going to fall into the second round like we're thinking here.


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[Assistant] Uh, but we're looking at the tackle spot too. Uh, but again, a lot of guys who played right tackle, not so much left tackle. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] We got Olu Fashanu still on the board. And that's why, like, I can't believe we've, we've let this go this far. And that's why we went to Olu Fashanu. Fashanu, yeaah. We're going to take Green Bay Packers, obviously replacing, um,


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[Assistant] And you're trying to look for perfect fits. You know, I think oftentimes I said this early about the JC Latham pick.


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[Assistant] With the Patriots, like, I love his film. You know, I think he's one of the best players in this draft overall.


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[Assistant] And I think there's a thought that like, oh, we'll just move the left tackle. It's not that easy. Like you need to be able to like maybe have a veteran player.


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[Assistant] Who can take the time to work on that while the rookie is just working on getting down the offense, getting down his personal life, getting down that transition you're making at a position that he's familiar with, right? So in this particular case, Olu is a perfect fit for what I feel like Green Bay needs and he's the best player available in my opinion.


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[Assistant] Well, I eventually got to him, but same thing with some of the teams that I have. I was just like, ah, it's not going to be really a fit at that point.


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[Assistant] So now we're to Arizona. I feel like it'd be pretty incredible to be able to get a couple of playmakers out of this draft like Marvin Harrison Jr. and Brock Bowers.


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[Assistant] So I am going to make the pick. I know they've got Trey McBride, maybe they feel more confident about a too tight end system moving forward, running the football with James Connor, uh, and that being a more, uh, you know, potent offense moving forward for them. Um, I had a couple other players in consideration, but Bowers is too good to pass up on in this case.


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[Assistant] I'm listening to trade. I'm listening to trade because this player is still on the board. We kept getting calls from Carolina who wanted to move up into the first round and get some, some dynamic playmakers. But remember they do sit at the top of the second round. So in this case, we just hung up the phone. All right.


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[Assistant] There's two quarters for that company, haven't come off the board. Nate Wiggins has won.


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[Assistant] I know you're big on industry, shall we? I'm looking at Koi McHistory here though. Uh, I'm just a little higher in sky. We talked about it earlier in it. So that's the direction I'm going to go with the quarterback spot here.


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[Assistant] So far, Deuce has been playing some players that we've been looking at, so it's not good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's more about where he needs to play right now. That's our immediate need is the right side. Uhm, yeah. Wiggins is still on the board, correct?


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[Assistant] Again, Grant Borden, I feel like is going to end up being more of an interior player here. That could be, you know, one we feel like is useful, kind of swinging around, putting on the inside or the interior of the offensive line.


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[Assistant] I feel like there's still need cornerback help though. Uh, so I'm going to go with Nate Wiggins. I just think he's too good to pass up on the spot. Uhm, you know, you look at what happened in the Super Bowl. I mean, you got to have the coverage players on the outside. At times that secondary is decimated with injuries and they struggled at times to build a cover.


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[Assistant] Actually, do not get used to Sully hanging around because I believe he's going to be gone for like two weeks in March on his honeymoon. Uh, so just when you get used to them, that mean breakup will come. You'll be sad. He's not here. And then, uh,


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[Assistant] There have only been three players tagged in the month of February. So, to your point, they are absolutely slowing down and not just running out on first tag day and saying, tag, there's your contract.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, that's the thing, Branson, is that most people thought the Ravens were crazy for putting the non-exclusive tag on Lamar Jackson last year, when in fact,


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[Assistant] The non-exclusive tag is the more common tag used. I mean with quarterbacks, uh, it generally is the exclusive one, but when you look at all other positions on the field, it is generally the non-exclusive tag.


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[Assistant] Uh, if you watch on YouTube, Harry's got the little cheat sheet up there that tells you some of the notes. And basically, and we saw this with Lamar Jackson, and this is the, the key here is that.


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[Assistant] The player who gets it with a non-exclusive tag can go out and negotiate with another team.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then once that happens, the original team, so last year the Ravens would have had five days to match any outstanding offer.


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[Assistant] And if they did not do that and say Lamar Jackson had switched teams last year, the new team has to give two first round picks to the old team. And so that is really why we have not seen, uh, anyone change teams under these rules in a very long time. The last time it happened was back in 2000, 24 years ago.


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[Assistant] Uh, with Joey Galloway. So we see this tag used all the time, but we do not see players change teams all the time because no one wants to give up two first round picks to get some guy. And plus they're signing him to a huge contract. So not only are you signing a huge contract, we're giving up the draft pick. So it just, yeah, you don't see guys change teams very often.


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[Assistant] Well, real quick on the transition tag, Brentz, let me throw this in, is that, uh, if you transition tag someone, they go sign with another team, you do not get any draft pick conversation. You just lose the player, so there is some risk associated with hitting someone with the transition tag.


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[Assistant] Which is a big reason why we do not see it used very often. As a matter of fact, I'm glad Harry does not include this trivia here because this is trivia for you two. Who was the last player to get hit with a transition tag? Do you know?


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't know, I can't, I feel like Robbie Gold might have been the last kicker?


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[Assistant] Well, real quick with Matthew Slater is that you have the, I would say the only other special teams player that became as much as a household name, as much as you can know who a special teams player is, is probably Steve Tasker.


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[Assistant] And he's still not in the Hall of Fame, so it's just one of those things where I'm not sure the committee's ever gonna give specialists their due. Kickers have a tough time getting in, punters have a tough time getting in.


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[Assistant] As we saw with Devon Hester, returners have a tough time getting in even though Hester did finally, or did get in. Uh, so, Tasker or Matthew Slater getting in I think would be a surprise even though I do think they probably deserve to be in because you can't just say one phase of football doesn't matter and not put those guys in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, especially with all their questions on the, on both sides of the ball really is that


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[Assistant] Uh, this was by far his best season, and there's no way, and if you think, hey look, what if he regresses to year two or year three, that's an argument for the franchise tag, because if you set a long-term deal,


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[Assistant] Then you're stuck. You say, all right, let's see if you can do this for one more year and then we'll go from there. So yeah, I think this one's a no brainer. I think Jacksonville has to franchise tagging.


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[Assistant] Tag and trade seems like it makes the most sense because this team has so many holes on their roster that you want to fill it, but you also do not want to let Brian Burns just walk away in free agency and get nothing in return. So I think at the minimum,


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[Assistant] If you are thinking about letting them walk, that you call up teams like, look, we're gonna tag them if you want them.


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[Assistant] That is correct. I think that is the only move that makes sense. Look, the wide receiver tag isn't a huge number. We have the estimate, uh, you know, right around 20.7 million. It might go up a little depending on what the salary cap ends up being, but


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[Assistant] I think they have to. T Higgins has been so productive. I mean, he has made some phenomenal catches and I, you know, I understand why he doesn't want to be tagged because I'm sure he would love to either get paid like a number one receiver or go to another team and prove that he can be a number one receiver.


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[Assistant] But if you're the Bengals, you know, you have Jamar Chase at a very low rate for this upcoming season in 2024. And paying T Higgins $20 million for the upcoming season isn't going to break the bank. You have a lot of salary cap money. I think the Bengals have the


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[Assistant] Fourth or fifth most available calf space going into free agencies. Yeah, so I absolutely do whatever is necessary to keep T Higgins. And if that means franchise tagging him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it feels like this relationship has kind of run its course. It seems like he was frustrated and that look, his tag number is also going to be higher than whatever the standard running back tag is going to be because he's going to get


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[Assistant] Uh, 20% increase on his salary from last season, so he's gonna make over $12 million if you hit him with the franchise tag.


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[Assistant] And it does feel like it would be better for both sides to just kind of move on. You know, it's not just Saquon Barkley or just the Giants. It just seems like both sides would almost prefer that. And I think the New York Post actually reported on today, Tuesday,


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[Assistant] That it's unlikely that Barkley gets attacked. It seems like that's the way they're leaning. Uh, you know, he's dealt with a few injury issues and maybe if you're the giant, you don't want to deal with that anymore. So yeah, I probably do not tag him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's always a point, look, if you're a Mayo, you don't want to be going, you already have a guy who understands the defense, he's familiar, you know, this is not going to be a huge scheming difference from what Belichick's doing, and you want these guys that already know your system around, and you have someone who, who is just kind of a chess piece you can put anywhere, uh, so yeah, I think this one makes sense.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeah, if I'm the Ravens, I absolutely tag them. I mean, we're talking about a guy who, as a defensive tackle, we see some, some big numbers from the, the pass rushers, but look,


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[Assistant] To me, this one's another no-brainer. I mean, you're talking about a guy who had 13 sacks and just kind of transformed what the defense was able to do. And I'm sure Mike McDonald will be the first person on the phone, as you mentioned, Brinton.


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[Assistant] It is insane. Well, so you're not tagging Mike Evans because his tag would be phenomenally high because of what his cap hit was, uh, last year. So the tag would be over $28 million, which is way higher than the receiver tag.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which will be about 20.7 million, which we mentioned earlier.


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[Assistant] But with Antoine Winfield, I think the Tampa Times actually reported today that the Buccaneers, if they tagged someone, it would probably be Winfield, which I still think is interesting because


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[Assistant] If you think, it really says to, either they think they're confident they can get a deal done with Baker Mayfield, or they just aren't completely sold on Mayfield despite the fact that he just had this huge season.


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[Assistant] That this is a tough one. I think that I probably do because you don't want to kick the can with Baker Mayfield. I think that maybe you get it sounds like a two or three year deal.


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[Assistant] I mean, if he's asking for 50 million, maybe you tag him. So I don't even know. I'm glad I don't run the Buccaneers front office, but I think I would probably tag Winfield over Mayfield. That's where I was going with that. That's the field I'm in.


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[Assistant] So this is the only decision I am going to make based fully on a team salary cap situation.


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[Assistant] Uh, you look at where the Dolphins are right now. They are so far over the cap that is almost laughable. They're more than $50 million.


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[Assistant] Over the salary cap. They have to have everything in order by the time pre-agency starts on March 13th. And if you tag Wilkins, you have to be able to fit his entire salary under your cap. So that's gonna knock you up to 74, 75 million that you gotta get figured out. I do know that, look, you can restructure contracts.


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[Assistant] And get that number down, but this just makes it incredibly difficult. So I think if you're the dolphins, uh, you work as hard as you can to get a multi-year deal done. And if it doesn't happen, you say, look, man, we love you, but we got to let you walk because this just doesn't make sense for us.


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[Assistant] We'll know if he's the best free agent in the league because I think Prisco has his top 100 free agents coming out tomorrow on Wednesday. Never even heard of that guy, Prisco.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this one is simple, but I think it's obvious at this point because every year we try to talk ourselves into doing it. And that is never bet against the Kansas city chief.


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[Assistant] No, but I think it's never bad against the Chiefs. It's that simple. Every year we sit here in August and we try to talk ourselves out of the Chiefs. We saw the year where the Broncos added Russell Wilson and it was like, oh, they're going to be so much better.


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[Assistant] Or the Raiders have Jimmy Garoppolo, or the Chargers are absolutely stacked because they added all this talent. This is going to be their Chiefs Get Knocked Off.


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[Assistant] Like, or the Chiefs, uh, don't have anyone to throw to. Patrick Mahomes has no receivers. What are they going to do? Travis Kelsey is getting too old. We come up with new excuses every single year and every year the Chiefs laugh in our face. So I will not be betting against the Chiefs anymore.


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[Assistant] I was absolutely going to bring up Zach Taylor. Uh, that look, they started two and 14. They expected low. They didn't expect much from the team in 2019. Andy Dalton's last season.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then even Joe Burrow's rookie year, after he tore his ACL, they kind of just went into the toilet. They went 4-11 and won. And it was just like, uh, this guy has six wins in his first two seats. He has 6-25 and won. How can you justify keeping him?


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[Assistant] There are a lot of people calling for his head, uh, but if there was one thing the Bengals don't do, it is fire their coaches two years in the contract and the patients paid off. You go to two straight AFC title games, you go to a Superbowl.


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[Assistant] So absolutely there are situations where this makes a lot of sense and I think that's a problem with everybody's we want results now is that sometimes you do need that patience and Dan Campbell and Zach Taylor are very good examples of that.


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[Assistant] Dan Campbell and, and, and Zach Taylor were absolutely, nobody would have questioned them if they got fired after two seasons.


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[Assistant] I'll throw a wild card out there. How about the Chicago Bears?


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[Assistant] Reaching patients there. They went from three and 14, the above plus his first season to seven and 10 last season. Still on the hot seat the whole way to the end too. And he was, but you look at a lot of those losses. I mean, they had a bunch of one score losses. I think


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[Assistant] I want to say five of their, uh, five of their ten losses is just, it felt like they were on the cusp, but again, you know, maybe they draft Caleb Williams and just to get the reset because you feel like you aren't going to get fired if you start over with a new quarterback. Uh, so who knows what they do there? That's their big question mark, but I do feel like maybe it pays off if they stick with you.


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[Assistant] I think it's a good point that you bring up Breach that he's doing all of this. You'll look at all his numbers. You'll look at his All-Pros Defensive Player of the Year stuff.


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[Assistant] As an interior defensive lineman, I mean, you'll talk about who's the greatest defensive player of all time.


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[Assistant] You'll hear Lawrence Taylor, JJ Watt might even get thrown in there, but those guys, a lot of it came from the edge. This dude was doing it all from the interior, which is just such a much more difficult area on that defensive line to put up stats and the fact that he was able to and make those types.


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[Assistant] Right, and certainly something that's, that was on my radar up here in New England with the Patriots having the number three overall pick. Is that a team that they're targeting the Minnesota Vikings to possibly say, hey listen, if you don't love quarterback X that falls to you, maybe we want to be the ones that jump up.


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[Assistant] Alright, it's, it's fine with me. I mean, you know, listen, I would much rather if I'm, if I'm in New England, if I'm one of these teams that are inside the top three, whether it's Washington or New England, I would much rather take the quarterback up top and take the gamble just because you never know how high you're going to get ever again. But if you're telling me you're going to get,


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[Assistant] 11, 23, and then maybe next year's one, I don't know, like some, some one of these crazy, crazy returns that we've seen the NFL draft before. You have to at least think about it. Now, is it the Patriots at number three?


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[Assistant] The Chargers, yes, I'm sorry. It's the Los Angeles Chargers at number five. That to me kind of feels like the team that could possibly move out of that pick, collect more assets to build around Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] And maybe that's the team they jump up. It's like JJ McCarthy out of Michigan. That to me feels a little bit more plausible. I actually bet that earlier just pulled the full disclosure. What was the bet? What was the bet?


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[Assistant] Well, I'll say this breach real quick. I do think it brings an interesting dynamic with four and five because the New York Giants are at six. You have this team in the Vikings that now have these two first round picks that can vault up. If you're New York and you possibly want another quarterback, if you want to jump into that range to replace Daniel Jones,


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[Assistant] Maybe you have to jump to four to beat someone who's at five. I just think there's a lot of things that could happen here over the next month or so with those teams in particular.