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[Assistant] I think to your point, and to Renisa's broader point about how internalized the system is in her,


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[Assistant] Allison could just say, you're gonna tell me what I need to know because I allow you to do everything that you're doing. I allow you to be Lord of Harrenhal, I allow you to live, I allow you to walk around in general because like I can have


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[Assistant] Your fingers chopped off, one by one, if I wanted to do that. Oh my god, yeaah. But instead, because again, this system is so internalized, and she's paying with the coin that she believes.


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[Assistant] That she can pay with. Because she can absolutely take it to another level with Laris. She could be like, you're just gonna tell me. Because...


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[Assistant] Guess what, like I can tell my father, I can tell Sir Kristen Cole, he'll do it, he'll kill you no questions asked.


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[Assistant] I found myself wondering what the fuck does he mean by that on my third watch after understanding what time with the queen meant.


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[Assistant] Yeah, what does he say? What is the other content of that scene? So he tells her about Messaria and then he suggests, he suggests a course of action, which is we need to take out this network.


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[Assistant] One, I wonder if we're gonna find out that they were indeed successful. You know, this is House of the Dragon, we did not see a body, we only saw a flaming, a burning house, so this leads me to wonder if Miss Aria is not still alive. Sure. And then, secondarily,


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[Assistant] I think that you're absolutely right. Certainly, like, that's competition. Right. Laris would not be keen to allow a kind of competing whisper network to be up and running in the capital. I'm sure he would like to co-op that. That's a great point.


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[Assistant] The structure of this episode is fascinating to me because it's the opening moves from one side. Yes. We have no idea how Raniera is going to react to all of this. Yeah.


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[Assistant] We can assume it's gonna be poorly, because even al- you know, Alison is pitching, listen, let's make her a good deal so she can get accepted without shame and she- and we can afford all this. At the same time, while that is the best offer on the table, that offer on the table is still


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[Assistant] Aegon is king, and I think there's no world in which Rhaenyra


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[Assistant] Right away. I feel badly for the, uh, unlucky lords and ladies who just happen to be in King's Landing and were called to the meeting where it's kind of like, hey, right now, where do you stand on this? And if the answer is the one I don't like, then potentially you are strung up in the courtyard.


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[Assistant] Yeah, did you figure out how to count those for a death count by the way? It would seem to be, whoever was standing over the impact zone bought it. 100% they are done.


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[Assistant] It's possible that Misaria sent a raven out or some other person got some message out, but it's also possible that they have no idea right now. Yeah. Renise, I think we will be unpacking her actions in that moment for a while.


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[Assistant] To me it felt like she's still leaving it open. Like, okay. Interesting. I did not appreciate being taken prisoner.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's all the leverage right there. You know, Allison said, hey, if we have you and we have your dragon.


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[Assistant] Renira will think, at least think twice about attacking, because they do have more dragons. You know, we have Veigar, who is the biggest, but still, there's a deficit here. Aegon's dragon is very young, Helena's also, they have more mature dragons. So, if you come over,


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[Assistant] She'll think twice about it, but if you don't, why wouldn't Raniera fulfill the promise that she made in friendship at the end of the previous episode? Right?


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[Assistant] Right before she left, where she said, I will return on Dragon Mac. I think that there's a great chance now that Renira fulfills that promise and does so, you know, in anger.


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[Assistant] It went in a different way often than what we are kind of primed to expect. And again, a different show but no shocking decapitation, no massive bad


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[Assistant] Yeah, but still an amazing and quite


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[Assistant] Shocking surprise moment when Maylis bursts out from beneath the floor there. I mean, it was really a truly, truly startling moment. And yeah, you just feel like we're on the roller coaster now and it is heading straight down. What about you? How did you feel about it for Penultimate Episode?


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[Assistant] She just did it. Everyone was expecting her to, you know, be, again, because of that, the patriarchal system that they were in, was expecting her to make moves in certain ways to not escalate the way a man would escalate, to not like immediately just be like, okay, fine.


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[Assistant] She did that. She decided, okay, here's the price that needs to be paid if I want to be queen.


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[Assistant] You know, sincerely good-hearted attempt to influence power here.


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[Assistant] I mean, sad to say, but that probably means your dad in prison, that means Laris with his head cut off, that means Jasper Wilde immediately to the wall, as you said.


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[Assistant] Step down in favor of you. But Allison's too nice to do that and here we are.


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[Assistant] You're right, and I think there's a very telling moment where...


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[Assistant] She realizes the small council's been meeting. She understands now that her father has been moving around like a pawn and she immediately objects. And so Master of Ships, Thailand Lannister says, okay, Your Grace, what do you want to do? And she just doesn't...


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[Assistant] Over the course of this episode, beginning to form an idea about what she would do now that she is in somewhat of the driver's seat.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, as Otto says at one point, you know, there's no ruler. He says king.


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[Assistant] I don't want to just murder her and her family and her children because that's how we cement our hold on power. I don't want to do that.


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[Assistant] I wish them all safety and security in the wars to come.


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[Assistant] Okay, well let's start with the easy ones, right? Shout out to the bees. Lord Lyman Beesberry. Colin bullshit when he sees it. Respect. Colin bullshit when he sees it. He had a great, great run as master of coin. He did. Very old man. Six and seven years, which is a billion in this world.


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[Assistant] Uh, Lord Caswell of Bitterbridge who tried to get out of the Red Keep in order, we assumed a password to Runira. He did buy it. So that's two. Well, what about at White Worm HQ? We didn't see any bodies, which seems very purposeful to me, but it's certainly someone must have perished in yet another mysterious and suspicious fire.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that that's fair. Like 250? Yeah. Let's call it 250. So let's put it at 252. Okay. Estimate.


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[Assistant] For sure, if I was just a regular citizen of King's Landing, I'd be like, hey, what about us?


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[Assistant] Today we are delighted to welcome Claire Kilner to the podcast. Claire is the director known for her films How to Deal, The Wedding Date, and Janice Beard. Her work in directing can also be seen on the TV shows The Mosquito Coast, Snowpiercer, and now of course the HBO original House of the Dragon. Claire directed episodes four and five and


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[Assistant] Of course, also the penultimate episode of season one. Claire, welcome to the official Game of Thrones podcast.


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[Assistant] This is such a unique episode in that we're seeing the events mainly just around King's Landing. We're seeing one side of the story. How did you look at this in terms of your approach when you started reading the script?


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[Assistant] Thinking about that scene, you mentioned how interesting it is to kind of track.


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[Assistant] Measuring, as you noted. Where does this person stand? Where does this person stand? What kind of... How did you work through that with the actors? Like, say, Graham McTavish, who plays Sir Harold. There's all these wonderful...


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[Assistant] Thinking about who the most powerful person is, I'm struck by the fact that


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[Assistant] This secret plan was rolling into motion, Queen Allison begins to realize now that these things have been going on without her knowledge, and then she starts asserting herself as


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[Assistant] You know, certainly on paper, the most powerful person in the room and the dynamic changes in a very, very interesting way where all of a sudden Thailand Lannister's like, okay, well, what do you want to do? That's such an interesting energy shift because it really feels like we're going in a very radical direction until Alison very firmly puts the brakes on things.


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[Assistant] Wondering, where is she positioned in this great conflict between Raniera and Alicent, the Hightowers and the Targaryen side, because it feels as if...


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[Assistant] On the one hand, she charted, as Greta noted, she charted a very radical course, or at least


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[Assistant] How does a collaboration amongst the team and the people below the line work on a day to day basis?


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[Assistant] I find myself watching this show and wondering, like, how could we have avoided all of this? Do you watch it? Do you read the scripts and wonder, gosh, if Raniera had only done this, or if Allison and Raniera had only talked, or if this and this could have happened, maybe we could have avoided all of this.


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[Assistant] And of course we want to hear from you. Send those ravens out. Don't forget to leave a rating. Review us on your podcast player of choice. We love five stars. And of course you can find us on the Game of Thrones and House of the Dragons social media handles. As for me, I'm on Twitter at at network NETW3RK.


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[Assistant] And Greta Johnson, our executive producer is Molly Sosha, our supervising producer is Nakia Swinton, our lead sound engineer is Matt Stillo.


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[Assistant] Special thanks to Michael Gluckstadt, Allison Cohen, Kenya Reyes, and Becky Rowe from the HBO Max podcast team, Ashley Morton, Dana Froome, Liz Keating, and Megan McLeod at HBO Marketing.


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[Assistant] Until Jep came along. Because y'all all got it if one guy.


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[Assistant] Goblin, is that why you use nose spray all the time? No, I'm just, I'm just addicted to air.


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[Assistant] Do you think Jace or I would sneak in there and put your hand in some warm water, a pot of warm water and make you do that? They would, yeah, they would have done, they may have, who knows.


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[Assistant] I believe that it felt way better. Uhhh. But the back of your leg is tender.


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[Assistant] You might hold that til Tuesday. That was my first check from, you know, Quentin Riverwood. Did you have to hold your checks? Yea, she said don't cash this til Monday. Oh yea, that's fact. Well that's why, yea.


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[Assistant] There we go. We're glad to have you. Glad to have you boss. Come back.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you like it, this is about the 7th, 8th one. Is it?


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[Assistant] It's unseemly for him to put himself forward as a contender for my hand.


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[Assistant] Push the wine back. I was kind of disappointed by the lack of s'mores in this episode. You know, like there were a lot of campfires. There were not enough marshmallows. You could put one on that.


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[Assistant] Yes, I mean, we are at least knee deep at this point, Jason. A lot is happening with this story. More than two years have already passed, which kind of blew my mind, but I was thrilled by it. It was like, oh, that's six months last time around. That's nothing.


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[Assistant] And no, like I thought it worked, like it flowed really well still. So I'm super excited to get into it. Jason, you want to hit him with the recap?


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[Assistant] Where her, she's kind of being pushed and pulled in different ways, which I thought was really fascinating. I would love to talk more about that. But yeah, I mean, there's a Prince Akon now, like what the fuck? That happened real quick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I mean, well, and there are a couple of really interesting scenes with Allison where you can tell she's really trying to become friends with Raniera again. She's trying to connect, and I totally get why Raniera wouldn't be into it, but it was really fascinating, kind of heartbreaking to watch because she's in this impossible position, you know, where...


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[Assistant] It was. I feel like Rainiera also just did some excellent sulking in this episode. Like she is just like peak 17 years old, you know?


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[Assistant] Oh god, and she has every right to be. Do you think, I mean, one of my favorite scenes was after she kills that boar.


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[Assistant] And she goes back into the hunting camp and she's just like, you know, she's covered in blood and there's this really interesting juxtaposition of Alicent with Prince Aegon like being this nurturer and Rhaenyra just sort of like stomping in after having stomped out and killed this creature in the woods. Like do you think


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[Assistant] It seemed to me that that moment was intended to sort of like lend some more credibility to her as a strong, independent agent of her own will.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a really good point. And I don't know, I mean, I will say also, like, just before she storms out on the horse, like that very public fight she gets in with Viserys.


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[Assistant] Someone else we meet right around that time who I thought was a very interesting character who I'm sure we haven't seen the last of is, uh, someone who shares your name actually, Jason Lannister.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was wild. I don't know. I mean, it's interesting that you say that people never leave him alone because it's true, but he's also always alone.


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[Assistant] On whom he can really rely at this point, or trust. And he seems also, especially in this episode, like, so easily persuadable. Which is also, I think, troubling just because I feel like you can see some of the, like, foundation of him as a good leader just crumbling more and more with every episode.


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[Assistant] Yeah, speaking of plans gone awry. It seemed like really actually good advice though. Like it's, you know, we talked to Emily about this. Like I think partly what's so great about how she plays Alicent is that


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[Assistant] It's unclear whether she's like trying to clearly defy her father or just legitimately has some pretty good advice because she's been hanging out in court for her entire life and has been married to the king for the last two years and like has a sense of what should probably happen, you know?


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[Assistant] Then I pose a simpler question. Is it better for the realm of the crab feeder thrives or is vanquished? Like what's actually the best thing to have happen here?


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[Assistant] So this is something we've kind of talked around the last couple of episodes, but given the fact that in this episode, towards the end of it, Viserys actually says to Rhaenyra, like, something along the lines of, like, I'm not long for this world.


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[Assistant] Because I think it's really fascinating and I think, you know, I think especially that scene with him trying to kill the deer is a really good example of


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[Assistant] How much everybody's kinda trying to set him up to succeed and how even under those circumstances, it's not that easy.


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[Assistant] He can't kill a deer that is like tied up and injured already, presumably.


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[Assistant] So there was a lot of wildlife content in this episode. We talked about the deer that King Viserys was set up to kill. I want to talk about the White Heart because there was a lot of conversation around that. Obviously it was very symbolic for a number of reasons and kind of like harkens back to, you know, old westeros lore as well.


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[Assistant] But I'm curious what you thought of that scene where Rainiera comes across this kind of fabled creature.


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[Assistant] And, you know, so Kristen like gets ready to kill it and she's like...


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[Assistant] I don't know. I thought it was a really interesting scene to include because it could have not existed at all. And, you know, like it wasn't necessary, but I kind of liked it in there because I don't know. I thought it was an interesting moment. I mean, I, we definitely get some bonding between her and Sir Kristen in this episode, you know, since he's the one who chases after her and hangs out not eating s'mores by the campfire.


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[Assistant] But the fact that, you know, he's ready to go for it, because imagine, you know, how different would that scene have been if she hadn't come back covered in blood with a pig, but she had come back...


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[Assistant] Covered in blood with the thing that everyone was going after and the fact that she decided not to, I think speaks to a lot of what Viserys is talking about in this episode with like how contrarian she is, which I really respect, but I'm not sure how much everybody else does, you know? Like I'm not sure it's actually to her favor.


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[Assistant] He looked so thrilled. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Totally. Totally. So speaking of patriarchy and Rhaenyra and dynamics between her and Viserys, obviously things are extremely fraught at this point in their relationship. He really wants her to get married. I thought it was really interesting that by the end of this episode, he tells her like,


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[Assistant] I thought it was really fascinating. I mean it, you know, even just based on like the pressure that was put on Viserys to remarry, you know, I mean the fact that they had that conversation literally right after the death of his own wife about who he's gonna marry next.


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[Assistant] And how much pressure was built up over the course of this episode. You know, you have Viserys being like, oh Rainiera, you're going to have a child of your own someday. And then, you know, Lannister dude comes in and there's just so many, it seems like there's a lot of pressure on this specific part of their relationship. And the fact that by the end he's like, you know what? I think you should do what you want.


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[Assistant] I think it's really interesting and I think, I don't know, I would like to give him some credit for solid parenting where he's like, she's gonna do whatever she wants anyway. This has been made very clear over the course of the last two and a half years that we've gotten to know these characters already. So might as well let her go for it, you know?


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Yes, totally. Yeah, no, she's consistently reaching out to Rainiera. She's denying her son's inherent right to the throne.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's really going to be fascinating to see how that plays out. So the other big thing from this episode that we need to talk about is our battle scene, because it was kind of our first like big ass like carnage. Speaking of death counts, oh my god. Big time. Is there anything before the battle that we missed that you want to talk about before we jump in?


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[Assistant] Oh my god, that was really good. Well, I don't know, it's funny because my notes at this point of the episode are like, his son is hot, the dragon's cannon get into the caves, Damon gets a letter from Viserys, and then I just wrote in all caps, chaos, chaos, chaos.


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[Assistant] It's like that moment when Damon like beats the shit out of the messenger.


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[Assistant] Giving up, you know, is showing up with the white flag, which is a hell of a move.


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[Assistant] Who on earth could we get to be that person in Daemon's Lake?


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[Assistant] That's very true. Yeah, I mean, it definitely seemed like that whole situation was Damon saying fuck you to the aid.


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[Assistant] You know something that I found myself thinking about watching that scene with the dragon, which was awesome, is that...


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[Assistant] It's funny because I, you know, especially having watched Game of Thrones and the way Daenerys used the dragons, it was like...


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[Assistant] A dragon meant you automatically won, whatever it was.


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[Assistant] You know, like it doesn't necessarily mean absolute victory as much as it definitely means absolute carnage of whoever's in the way.


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[Assistant] No, yeah. PLUS THE CRAB FEEDER! You know, the running, like, somersault, like, stab moves, like, that was cool. And that is...


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[Assistant] You know, one thing I wanted to mention about Jason Lannister is I thought he had like a very sardonic delivery that reminded me a lot of Peter Dinklage. Did you pick up on that too? He did, like a greasier, oilier


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[Assistant] Watch out for them. Well, they're too shiny, you know? Too shiny.


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[Assistant] That's kind of fun, I like that. One thing that I thought was really interesting about that banquet scene in general is that it made me realize how little we're seeing big groups of people gossiping like that. We got a little bit of it at the tourney in the first episode, but otherwise so far these episodes really have been just kind of a couple people at once talking to each other.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. Well, and Damon, I mean, Damon alone got probably what? At least a dozen dudes on his way toward the crab feeder.


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[Assistant] I like scores, it's just vague enough that it really, it can be accurate in this context.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was really interesting last week to speak to Emily about her role as young Allison because something that really struck me especially in that first episode with you two, I mean obviously those two characters are super close. Like it's almost an intimate, like a romantic relationship I feel like that these two teenage girls have with each other. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] There's a really interesting trajectory too, I think, from episode one to episode three, especially between two and three, because we're skipping two years.


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[Assistant] And, you know, the end of episode two, we see Rhaenyra's shock in that small council room when Viserys announces that he wants to marry Alicent. But that's all we know until we see the next episode, which has skipped two years.


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[Assistant] What was your process like in terms of sort of like filling in the blanks for you and where Rainiera is at emotionally when it comes to Alicent at that point? Who's, you know, pregnant with her second kid with Rainiera's father.


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[Assistant] Wow, it's fascinating how much that sort of mirrors Re-Nira's own trajectory, you know? She's like, well shit man, like what am I supposed to do? Yeah.


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[Assistant] I wanna talk more about episode three, cause I think this was a really fascinating one for your character. I feel like Rainiera does a lot of like pretty excellent seventeen year old like storming off and sulking in this episode.


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[Assistant] And you talked about this a little bit, but like I'd love to hear a little more about where, especially in episode three, you think Rainier is at when it comes to wanting to prove her legitimacy as heir, but also kind of saying fuck it to the entire game.


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[Assistant] How, sort of like, mmm, adding to the canon that exists now. You know what I mean? I mean, I think, for me, even watching episode one and seeing you in it,


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[Assistant] Teenage girl Targaryen we saw was Daenerys who was so serious all the time. And her, you know, like the layers of trauma that she had in her backstory completely justified all of that. But partly it was so fun for me to see you in episode one being like, I just want to fly dragons and eat cakes.


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[Assistant] So something that comes up a couple times in episode one is, uh, the smell of a dragon.


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[Assistant] Which Jason and I kind of like theorized about, but I would love to hear, like, do you have any ideas about what a dragon actually smells like?


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[Assistant] This is something Jason and I talked about in our episode three recap.


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[Assistant] That scene of you going to Dragonstone. Why didn't more people start taking Rainieris seriously after she like...


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[Assistant] You know, kind of went on this magical diplomatic mission and fixed everything without having carnage ensue.


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[Assistant] What is it about Rainiera that you playing her found the most relatable?


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[Assistant] This episode was edited by Sierra Spreen. Our producer is Jason Concepcion in association with Crooked Media.


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[Assistant] Goblin is really good at sound effects. Goblin, give us the 18 Wheeler, that's my favorite one.


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[Assistant] Already. Already boys. Si gonna be listening to dubstep and who knows what else next. Where'd that kind of get up? Godwin's still supporting them Christmas tree cakes. He's still got that bag on there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I can assure you one thing. They still taste just as good as they do pre-Christmas. So uhm. They should sell them all year long. Look, 2020 I think is...


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[Assistant] For a lot of people it's had a pretty negative spin, uh, but.


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[Assistant] If you want to know about that, turn your TV on, don't listen to us, because we ain't going down that road. Uhm. You've come to the wrong show for negativity. Yeah, no, we're gonna, we're gonna kinda do a year wrap up and just...


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[Assistant] What happened good? I mean, there's plenty of good that happened this year.


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[Assistant] You know, the most immediate thing personally I can think about is...


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[Assistant] Dead gum duck season has been like a house on fire around here. And for the first time in three, four, five years, man, it's, it's fun. It's a lot of fun ducks.


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[Assistant] Act like ducks, you call, they lock, they turn, they get shot, you eat em.


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[Assistant] And you wake up the next morning and you do it all over again. And, and I'm just for one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think years are what you make of them, right? I mean, you can look at 2020 as negative all you want to, or you can think about the good stuff that's happened. And you know, around here, we, we tend to focus on the good. Oh, we go positive. Amen. Cause life's too short to be negative. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean for the first time this year, I'm looking at a man wearing two pairs of glasses. How often does that happen?


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[Assistant] But that is, I mean, that's a cool thing whenever, you know, a take home from, from all of this is, you know, from the...


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[Assistant] Quote, unquote quarantine and all that social distancing and all that is you really got to spend a lot of time with your family and you got to kind of reconnect on a, you know, we, we make our lives so busy.


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[Assistant] That a lot of times you sit down and eat dinner together and that's about it. And then you go to bed, you wake up and you do it all over again the next day. But you know, this year there was a lot more.


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[Assistant] Uh, time built in there to spend with family. You know, for me and Brittany, I know we spent a lot of time fishing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the whole family on the boat. Man, if you was in the boat building business, you are singing the praises of 2020 because there was one everywhere. And if you like John David.


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[Assistant] That's the stuff that people, when you look at it at a glance, you forget about it and you don't realize, you know, it's just.


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[Assistant] You know, for us this year, we're generally traveling around so much, speaking and doing all of that kind of stuff that we're not home on the weekends.


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[Assistant] And this year I got to actually do a lot of hunting camp work. Like turning dirt, riding a tractor and all that kind of stuff. And you don't realize how much you miss that until you get back on that tractor. I know it. You know?


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[Assistant] The land work to me is just as fun as the hunting, so. It is. I mean, I like.


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[Assistant] Hatching a plan, getting it done, and then watching what the rewards are in November and December from it, so.


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[Assistant] You know, getting back to doing that again is, it, it's a good time. I've, I've thoroughly enjoyed it.


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[Assistant] Well, I can tell you from experience, y'all used to do a heck of a job brushing them duck blinds cause I'd get in it and couldn't even see the water. All the thing I could see was straight up.


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[Assistant] Now I noticed the ends were suspiciously wide open, but that middle.


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[Assistant] I'm a good three or four inches taller than everybody else around there. And I get in there and there's this limb poking me in the eye every time I stand up and I reach over there and I just break that limb and feel his snap. Phil said, who was that? What was that?


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[Assistant] Hey, who's that messing with the brush? Yeah, he said you tie it, don't break it. You tie it down, don't break it. Don't be breaking my brush now.


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[Assistant] It was a willow limb, no bigger than my pinky around, that had four leaves left on it.


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[Assistant] Look, I got the perfect thing to do for your wife going into the new years. Y'all know what it is?


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[Assistant] Get her a subscription to Bloomsie Box.


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[Assistant] You ain't gotta worry about nothing. You may have to go, I'd have to check a little bit closer on scheduling the deliveries, but I know if you get a subscription,


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[Assistant] to bloomsiebox.com. You get free shipping. And right now, if you use the code DUCK


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[Assistant] Shipping. So that's promo code duck for an extra 15% off at BLOOMSYBOX.COM. There is not a woman on this world that has ever been upset for getting flowers. She likes flowers.


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[Assistant] That weekly bag may hit you a little bit. You're gonna need that 15% off when you get on that weekly bag.


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[Assistant] But that's what I'm saying. A thing that flyers a month, you ain't ever gotta think about it. Every month. That's just a bonus point.


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[Assistant] Brownie Point. New year, new men, better marriages. There you go, bloomsiebox.com.


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[Assistant] Well then, then if you ain't on your game, Sal, we gonna let John David kick us off. John David, give me something from 2020. 2020.


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[Assistant] Well, Godwin, here's the thing though, I mean, I have a very good friend that got it done and one thing led to another and he, he, he got it undone. So there's a-


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[Assistant] I always get tickled at those vasectomy doctors cause they run specials like around the masters. Like, you know, you go in and get it done on Wednesday and you watch the golf tournament, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday and like by Monday, you'd back up and roll it.


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[Assistant] Hey, there you go. And you ain't had no more kids. So it took. It worked. Yeah, there you go.


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[Assistant] Y'all's a couple fertile myrtles. They didn't take y'all no time.


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[Assistant] Got it all. And now, Miss Paula.


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[Assistant] She a pistol, son. She fired up about everything. Yeah. Guaranteed. Feel a little lippy. I remember the first time you told me that.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's what she says to him all the time. You mumbling again. Yeaah. She can't hear.


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[Assistant] Hey, you talking like Stone likes house guests, that's out. I mean, he ain't ever invited nobody over, are you kidding? Ah, Lee.


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[Assistant] Well, the question everybody wants to know, Cy, what is your New Year's resolution? Oh my goodness.


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[Assistant] What could you change in your life for the better?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Oh, either that or we need.


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[Assistant] I want you to stay here with us, we need to, let's figure out something.


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[Assistant] Oh absolutely nothing. I think you're a fantastic human.


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[Assistant] Well I would say yeaah, in that regard, you know, most of the problems in marriage generally arise from like unmet expectations.


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[Assistant] And you, you should know what to expect by that point.


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[Assistant] Yep, that's exactly right. Unless they're a really good liar.


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[Assistant] I thought Sy was going to dump it on me for my New Years resolution. That's when he flipped that screw. I was like, should we make one for everybody? I do like that.


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[Assistant] Back home positive boys. Oh no, we're sticking with the positive. The funny thing about my New Year's resolutions, I don't make them until February 1st. That's what I'm talking about.


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[Assistant] Well, don't make it January first. Well, the problem with, with that is most of them.


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[Assistant] Revolve around some kind of lifestyle change or healthy something or another, you know, or this, that, the other.


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[Assistant] Well, everybody knows during duck season, you eat what's available. So that's out.


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[Assistant] What is it? That's what people want to replace rice with, and that's just a bad call. Rice is good. Mallard's eat it, I eat it. Let's go with it.


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[Assistant] That's just, but that's what I do. I wait until February 1st when I know I'm in a little bit more control of the circumstances around me. And I know there's a reasonable expectation by then all Christmas tree cakes are gone.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know. Valentine's candy is, ehh, ehh, doesn't really, doesn't really blow my skirt up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like my dessert in almost like a casserole form. I don't want no solid hunk of chocolate. But you give me a Snickers? I'm interested. You give me a Reese's? Very interesting. What about a pecan?


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[Assistant] That's right boys, we won one. Oh my goodness. I cannot. Hey, can you do me a favor? Love that.


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[Assistant] They tear up. Yeah. Well, that sounds about right.


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[Assistant] At all. That's actually, you're supposed to be. Exactly right. Be content.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm gonna try to keep on the downward trend now that my back doesn't hurt anymore. Last year, like 2019 was miserable. You've been jogging. I have been jogging. Uh oh.


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[Assistant] Now my bicycle, don't get it twisted, she got a motor.


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[Assistant] So, when you get to that part of the hill that really sucks, you just hit the gas. You hold the throttle down.


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[Assistant] You get about three quarters up and it starts to suck. Well when it gets to sucking, you just hold the throttle down. And your little electric motor takes over. Oh no, it don't.


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[Assistant] That guy one tries out for police academy. The remake.


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[Assistant] Without him? You're not, you've never seen police academy?


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[Assistant] What was his name? Michael something. Isn't it Michael? Alright, time out. No, I don't think that's it.


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[Assistant] Michael Winslow, you gotta watch, I cannot believe you've never seen Police Academy. That blows my mind. I don't know. You've seen other movies that were made when you weren't born. That was a good one. I haven't seen a lot of movies. That's like Jackie coming there.


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[Assistant] That was, that used to be the rite of passage to work here. Like you had three movies you had to watch.


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[Assistant] Oh good lord. Jeremiah Johnson. Hadn't seen it.


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[Assistant] You, yeaah, you, you're different, that's for sure. No, the other one, you, you got to pick between once upon a time in the west, and the good, the bad, and the ugly. Never seen it. Yeaah. Either one.


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[Assistant] My favorite, my favorite owl movie story is Phil at Christmas took the whole family to see Death Wish with Charles Bronson in it. You remember that one? That's, that's.


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[Assistant] Man, that is good stuff. Oh man. Well, let's take another break and then we're going to come back and wrap this baby up.


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[Assistant] That was one of my favorite things when I first started here with Si, was the only, that's when we were working out Phil and Kase. He's the only man I know that would take a pre-lunch nap and a post-lunch nap.


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[Assistant] They went. They got plenty of time to wake up and go duck hunt. I think it's still midnight though. It is. Yea, I know.


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[Assistant] Oh, it is. They there. They there. We found the show there. They there. Yep.


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[Assistant] Yep, they all over there. Francis got ducks? Everybody got ducks. That's right, hey. Amen.


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[Assistant] You want to, you got an inspirational quote going into 2021.


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[Assistant] Nathan Holden's marriage had fallen apart, and when his wife filed for a restraining order against him and started the process of gaining full custody of their three children, he snapped and decided that if he couldn't have the kids, she shouldn't have them either. This is Monsters.


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[Assistant] Nathan Holden had grown up with a turbulent childhood, being born to teenage parents. His parents were violent with each other and suffered from drug and alcohol addiction. Some of his parents' fights were so violent that his mother's face was disfigured. She would just as violently attack his father as well.


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[Assistant] It led to their eventual divorce after 35 brutal years of marriage.


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[Assistant] His mother began smoking crack when Nathan was in high school.


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[Assistant] He encouraged her to get help for her substance abuse problems and even took her to rehab.


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[Assistant] Her mother, Angelia, was the pastor of the Zion Hill Holiness Church in Wake Forest, North Carolina. She'd been the pastor there since 2000. Her father, Sylvester, was a retired Vietnam vet who was disabled while serving in the military.


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[Assistant] He was the deacon at the church and took care of all the maintenance there. He was very dedicated to the church and the people in their community, so he was known to do odd jobs and help his landlord with farming and property maintenance. Latonya described him as strict but loving.


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[Assistant] She said her mother was loving and overly positive, always finding the good in everything.


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[Assistant] Nathan lived in the same neighborhood as Latonya and the two became friends at a young age before moving on to a physical relationship.


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[Assistant] Psychologists say that Nathan became attached to Latonya early in his life because he was seeking a sense of normalcy and he saw that in her family. When she became pregnant though, he seemed easily willing to break that attachment.


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[Assistant] Once the paternity test proved he was the father, he became an active participant in the pregnancy. Something that seems like it should have been a red flag, but nobody's perfect and Latonya continued her relationship with him.


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[Assistant] Jeremy, who goes by JT, was born in 2000, and the three had a relatively normal family for quite a few years. Nathan and Latonya got married in 2002, when she was about halfway done with college.


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[Assistant] Latonya said that her father didn't like Nathan because he thought he was arrogant and that he had an attitude. But when she told him that they were getting married, he said that all he wanted was for her to be happy.


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[Assistant] Her mother, on the other hand, loved Nathan. The couple were married at the Zion Hill Church, and Angelia performed the ceremony. Her father, Sylvester, and her son, JT, both walked her down the aisle. Latonya described the early years of their marriage.


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[Assistant] Their first daughter, Nautica, was born in 2005, and then their second daughter, Amber, was born in 2006.


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[Assistant] This led Latonya to be out of work for a substantial period of time.


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[Assistant] After Amber was born, the relationship started going downhill.


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[Assistant] There were rumors that he was cheating, which Latonya said she just brushed off. He would be gone all the time, and she said she didn't know where he was. She explained that Nathan had sold drugs out of the house, but he agreed to stop after JT was born. After Amber was born, Latonya said that he started selling drugs again.


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[Assistant] When she told him she wanted him to stop, he told her it didn't matter what she wanted.


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[Assistant] She also admitted to having an affair herself. She developed a physical relationship with another man for about a month in 2006. She said she never told Nathan for fear he would harm her if he found out.


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[Assistant] This fear isn't backed up by any past abuse though. It's important to make it clear that Latonya and Nathan's marriage did not have any domestic abuse between them.


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[Assistant] She doesn't explain why she thought he would be violent at the time.


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[Assistant] Even though she was unhappy in the relationship, Latonya wanted to stay together for the sake of the kids. She told her parents she was unhappy, but never expressed a desire to get a divorce to them.


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[Assistant] Things changed drastically near the end of December of 2013. Latonya got a call at work from Nathan telling her that she needed to come pick up JT. JT, who was about 13 at the time, was outside when he was supposed to be inside, so Nathan punished him by beating him with a broom.


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[Assistant] Even though Latonya had an hour left of her shift, she left right away, and when she got home, she found JT in his room crying, and Nathan was gone.


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[Assistant] This was the point where Latonya decided to leave.


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[Assistant] She said that she waited until things cooled down so they weren't separating while angry. She was trying to separate peacefully, which is a smart thing to do, but she still describes being afraid of how Nathan would react to the news.


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[Assistant] The defense in the case points out many times that Nathan didn't have a history of domestic violence against Latonya.


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[Assistant] It was true that he had never physically assaulted his wife up until that point, but he had recently beat his teenage son with a broom, so his capability of violence had become apparent, and Latonya was right to fear for her and her children's safety from him. She finally broke the news to Nathan.


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[Assistant] I find it strange that the final straw in the relationship for her was the fact that Nathan had beat JT, but her position on the separation was that she didn't want to keep the kids from him. She just didn't want to be with him anymore. And she goes on to say that JT was happy about leaving because of the beating. I don't know. Latonya said that things were in fact peaceful at first.


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[Assistant] JT spent Christmas with Nathan and the girl spent Christmas with her. JT ended up staying with his dad permanently after Christmas. Latonya said that it seemed like they had become closer because of it, though in reality, Nathan was just treating JT as a friend instead of like a son. Things started escalating on January 1st.


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[Assistant] The police came out to the Taylor residence, and when Nathan called Latonya back, the officer got on the phone and told him to stay away. He then suggested that Latonya go to the court in the morning and file for joint custody of the children.


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[Assistant] When children are involved in a couple's separation, sometimes it's best to have an order from the court that outlines who gets the kids and when, so this exact issue doesn't happen.


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[Assistant] Latonya followed the officer's advice and planned to go to the court in downtown Raleigh the next morning after dropping her daughters off at school.


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[Assistant] When she arrived at the school, she saw Nathan's blue Chevy truck parked in the parking lot. She didn't want a confrontation with him, so she immediately backed out of the parking lot and called her dad.


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[Assistant] Sylvester met with Latonya down the street so he could pick up the girls. She then continued to Raleigh to file the paperwork.


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[Assistant] The same morning, Latonya's brother, Sylvester Taylor Jr., had received some troubling texts from Nathan. Sylvester Jr. had known Nathan since they were children, and though the two weren't close, they still communicated with each other.


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[Assistant] He described the interaction he had with Nathan the morning of January second.


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[Assistant] Sylvester Jr. tried to call Nathan and he didn't answer, but he eventually called him back.


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[Assistant] At this point, Sylvester Jr. was very concerned for the safety of his sister, nephew, and nieces. He tried to call Latonya, but she didn't answer, so he called his father and told him about his interaction with Nathan. The texts continued.


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[Assistant] Sylvester Jr. continued making calls to try to find his sister and make sure she and her kids were okay.


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[Assistant] One of the calls he made is to the resource officer at JT's school.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, at the courthouse, Latonya got a text from Nathan that said, quote, She immediately walked to the parking garage to leave, but she was confronted by her angry husband.


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[Assistant] Latonya suggested they go somewhere and talk, and when she got out of the parking garage, she tried to speed away, but Nathan caught up with her. This only enraged him further, and he bumped her car and forced her out of the lane.


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[Assistant] She managed to calm him down again and they agreed to go to the local Golden Corral restaurant so they could get something to eat and talk.


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[Assistant] She started heading to the restaurant, intending to actually sit down with him, but on her way, she got a call.


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[Assistant] She abandoned her car on the road and ran into the police station. She was still on the phone with the school resource officer at the time and she gave the phone to one of the police officers so he could fill him in on what had happened. When police went outside, Nathan was gone.


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[Assistant] Due to the situation, officers at the station helped Latonya file for a restraining order and for full custody of her children. They were able to skip a couple of steps and get her in front of the judge that day, and both orders were put into place on a temporary basis.


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[Assistant] Officers delivered the order of protection to Nathan immediately, which required him to surrender any firearms that he had in his possession. He had purchased a pistol a few years prior but didn't disclose it to police. He was also barred from purchasing any more firearms.


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[Assistant] He was also supposed to bring JT back to Latonya that same day, but he didn't show up to the exchange. Eventually, Nathan's father and stepmother brought JT to the Taylor home later that day.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem like he's that calm. He's saying that he's good, but he's still being very aggressive towards Latonya and her parents.


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[Assistant] On January 21st, Latonya and Nathan went to court to negotiate the details of the custody of their children. Latonya gained primary custody of all three children, with Nathan having visitation every other weekend.


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[Assistant] He was also banned from using any physical punishment on the kids.


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[Assistant] The restraining order was also renewed for one year, which continued his ban on having any firearms in his possession.


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[Assistant] These orders being put into place by the court didn't help in keeping the peace. At the end of Nathan's first visitation, Sylvester Sr. had arrived to pick up the kids because Latonya was working.


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[Assistant] He claimed that after the kids got into the car, Nathan came over and had words with him, like he was trying to start something.


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[Assistant] Once back at the Taylor home, Sylvester Sr. tried to talk to JT about the situation with Nathan, but the boy wasn't paying attention, with his face in his phone.


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[Assistant] Sylvester said he slapped the phone out of JT's hand, which prompted the teenager to run to a neighbor's house and call the police. A CPS worker went to the school the next day and talked to JT where he said that Sylvester Sr. either pulled a gun or threatened with a gun. The exact wording isn't known.


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[Assistant] The CPS worker called Latonya and let her know, but Nathan immediately filed for emergency custody.


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[Assistant] As soon as that paperwork was filed, police came and removed all of the children and Nathan got custody of the kids. Latonya and Nathan went back to court on February 10th and got a new custody order saying that JT would live with his father and the girls would live with their mother. They would swap kids every other weekend.


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[Assistant] Anyone living in either household was not allowed to have any weapons. Sylvester Sr. said he had removed firearms from the house and crime scene investigators said they didn't find any when they searched the house. JT eventually admitted that Sylvester didn't have a gun on the day when he slapped the phone out of his hand.


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[Assistant] At the beginning of April, the parents were supposed to go back to court to discuss a permanent custody arrangement, but the court date got pushed back to June.


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[Assistant] Nathan was aggressively trying to talk to Latonya, but she wasn't taking his calls. Something that was pushing her estranged husband to his breaking point.


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[Assistant] On April 9th, 2014, Latonya left early because she was putting in some overtime at work.


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[Assistant] She said that Nathan had called her cell phone and work phone multiple times throughout the day, but she didn't talk to him.


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[Assistant] Once she got back home, she didn't feel well, so she immediately laid down in bed.


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[Assistant] Angelia took Nautica and Amber to the Wednesday Bible study at Zion Hills Church at about seven o'clock that evening.


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[Assistant] While there, longtime friend Terry Williams said that JT showed up at the church. He said that his dad was looking for Latonya, but Terry told him that she wasn't feeling well, so she didn't come to Bible study that evening.


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[Assistant] Terry said that she didn't see Nathan or his truck, but after JT found out that his mom wasn't at the church, he left.


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[Assistant] Angalia and the girls got back home around 9.30pm.


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[Assistant] After beating Latonya with the gun, he tried to end her life with the children right there.


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[Assistant] The last thing that Latonya remembered was the paramedics taking her out of the back door of the house and loading her into an ambulance. Then, at the hospital, doctors were hooking things up to her and asking her her name before everything went black.


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[Assistant] The doctors didn't get her real name from her. When victims of violence come into the trauma center, they're sometimes admitted under an alias so the person who hurt them can't find them in the hospital.


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[Assistant] When police arrived on the scene at the Taylor home, Nathan was gone and his whereabouts were unknown. So LaTonya was admitted to Wake Med Hospital under the name Tina Truffle.


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[Assistant] Dr. Lori Lilly, the trauma surgeon on call that night, described her condition.


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[Assistant] Both bullets had gone all the way through her body. The first had entered her mouth and exited the side of her face, and the second had entered her chest and exited her back.


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[Assistant] Dr. Lilly describes the bullet's path through her chest.


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[Assistant] When Deputy Cameron Broadwell and Deputy Craig Shapcott arrived on the scene, they found Angelia Taylor in the master bedroom, non-responsive. Paramedics determined that she had been shot once in the chest and once in the wrist. She was pronounced dead at the scene.


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[Assistant] Once the house had been cleared, deputies Broadwell and Shapcott noticed that the back door was open when they got there, so they went out back and checked the scene.


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[Assistant] Behind the house was a large plowed field and two sheds.


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[Assistant] The deputies cleared the sheds, and when they directed their flashlights into the field, they saw the body of Sylvester Taylor Sr.


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[Assistant] He had been shot four times, once in the hip, once in the left back, once in the left chest, and another time in the left chest that went through his chest and entered his right arm. He was also declared dead at the scene.


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[Assistant] It was believed that Nathan went into the house and shot Angalia first. He then went out the back door and shot Sylvester as he was running from the field into the house. Then he went back inside to attack his wife. After deputies arrived on the scene, the children were taken from the house and placed in the back of one of the sheriff's cruisers.


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[Assistant] Nathan managed to evade police for the next few hours. He went to his neighbor's house and asked to use the phone. Carl Staten, who goes by Collie Wally, said that he had known Nathan since he was a baby. At around 10.30pm on April 9th, Nathan knocked on his door, waking him up.


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[Assistant] When he answered, Nathan had asked to use his phone. He let him make a call, and after Nathan left, Kali Wali went back to bed. An hour and a half later, there was another knock at his door.


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[Assistant] The Wake County Special Response Team, which is like SWAT, continued searching for Nathan and managed to find him in the woods around his home with the assistance of a canine unit. As soon as Nathan saw authorities, he fired at them. Deputy S.D. Stell described the situation.


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[Assistant] It was about 3 o'clock in the morning on April 10th, so it was still dark out. Deputies got in their vehicles to set up a perimeter, but got a call to come back.


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[Assistant] Nathan Holden was arrested and charged with two counts of first degree murder, one count of attempted murder, and one count of assault with a deadly weapon with the intent to cause serious harm.


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[Assistant] Seven days after she was shot and her parents were murdered, Latonya woke up in the hospital with her mouth wired shut. It was here that her aunt told her that her parents were dead, but luckily her children were unharmed.


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[Assistant] She was able to breathe a sigh of relief when she was also told that Nathan had been arrested.


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[Assistant] The doctors were amazed at how well she recovered, and two days after she woke up, she attended her parents funeral.


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[Assistant] While awaiting trial, Nathan was interviewed by social workers and psychologists.


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[Assistant] Social worker Larna Haddix spoke with Nathan two days after the murders where he told her, quote, they got what they deserved, end quote.


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[Assistant] She said he blamed Latonya for the crime saying, quote, all this was her fault if she just would have answered the phone, end quote.


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[Assistant] Well, case dismissed. Why didn't you tell us she didn't answer the phone? You're clearly justified in murdering her parents, bashing her face in with a pistol, and shooting her twice. You're free to go, sir.


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[Assistant] Dr. Jonathan Blackshear claimed that Nathan suffered from PTSD caused by his tough childhood.


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[Assistant] His parents' relationship and separation caused him severe trauma.


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[Assistant] Then, the breakup of his own marriage caused him even more trauma. So I guess that makes it okay for him to kill people.


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[Assistant] Nathan's defense didn't deny that he had committed the attack, but they argued that it shouldn't be first degree murder because it wasn't premeditated. They claimed that it was just an impulsive act.


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[Assistant] The prosecution responded to their ridiculous claims.


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[Assistant] The jury agreed that it wasn't premeditated, but they convicted him of first degree murder anyway.


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[Assistant] He didn't try to talk to anyone first and eventually snapped and started shooting. He showed up and started shooting because that was his plan from the beginning. He had previously texted Sylvester Jr. about reacting to the situation.


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[Assistant] He knew ahead of time that he was going to do this.


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[Assistant] The prosecutor doesn't get to finish his closing arguments before Nathan seals his own fate.


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[Assistant] Nathan begins rambling about the prosecutor not having authority to do what he's doing. He asks if he can show the proceedings aren't unconstitutional.


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[Assistant] It's clear that Nathan is one of those people who believes he has the right to do whatever he wants, and anyone trying to punish him is violating his rights somehow.


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[Assistant] There's no explanation of what he's trying to claim, and it doesn't ever seem to come up again.


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[Assistant] The jury found him guilty on all charges and they moved to the penalty phase where they decided whether or not he should get the death penalty. The jury voted against the death penalty and recommended life in prison for all charges.


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[Assistant] Nathan Holden was sentenced to two life sentences without the possibility of parole, plus an additional 20 to 25 years, all to be served consecutively. He will never be released from prison.


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[Assistant] The defense put in a notice to appeal, but their appeal was dismissed the following year.


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[Assistant] He filed another appeal in 2020 and it's still pending. Seriously, Nathan Holden will never get out of prison.


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[Assistant] Latonya's brother, Sylvester Taylor Jr., was a captain in the U.S. Army and was stationed in Michigan at the time of the attack.


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[Assistant] He took a leave of absence to travel to North Carolina to be with his sister and handle his parents' funeral arrangements.


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[Assistant] He eventually decided to stay in North Carolina permanently and he and his wife lived together with Latonya, JT, Nautica, and Amber.


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[Assistant] If you're the victim of domestic abuse, please reach out to someone for help.


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[Assistant] Please call the National Domestic Abuse Hotline at 1-800-799-SAFE.


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[Assistant] That's 1-800-799-7233 or go to thehotline.org to chat with someone online.


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[Assistant] The great thing about this website is that, at any time, hitting the escape key twice will instantly take your browser to a Google search page. In the event the abuser is nearby, you can assure that you don't get caught trying to get help.


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[Assistant] If you're having feelings of harming yourself or someone else, or even just need someone to talk to, please contact your local mental health facility, call 911, or call Mental Health America, who operate the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK.


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[Assistant] Dellen Millard grew up the air to an airline company and had the means to get anything he wanted.


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[Assistant] It turns out that what he really wanted was to be a criminal. This is Monsters.


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[Assistant] Dellen Millard is the subject of quite a twisted tale. His crimes and his trials don't happen in order, so I'm going to try to keep the story in chronological order to help it make sense.


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[Assistant] Dellen was born on August 30th, 1985 in Toronto, Ontario to Wayne Millard and Madeline Burns. Wayne owned and operated Millard Air, which was an aviation company founded by Dellen's grandfather, Carl Millard, in 1954.


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[Assistant] With a small fleet of airplanes, Carl operated his business out of Pearson International Airport in Toronto.


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[Assistant] Carl became known for developing a way to get nervous horses onto airplanes.


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[Assistant] Horses don't like to get onto airplanes, so Carl built a series of enclosed ramps that would gradually direct the horse right onto the plane. As the planes aged, the family didn't want to invest in a whole new fleet of aircraft and shifted to just selling planes and parts.


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[Assistant] Dellen became famous in 1999 when, at just 14 years old, he became the youngest person to have a solo flight in both an airplane and a helicopter on the same day.


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[Assistant] It was this news that finally gained him some respect at school.


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[Assistant] Dylan attended a private school where he was surrounded by other kids from wealthy families. Unlike the other kids who always wore the latest fashions, Dylan wore jeans and plaid shirts to school and his father dropped him off in an old pickup truck.


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[Assistant] The most notable thing that people remembered about Dellen was that he would carry around a box of dog biscuits and snack on them throughout the day.


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[Assistant] When Carl died in 2006, Wayne took over the business, and even though Dellen had previously gone to school to become a chef, he began running the business with his father.


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[Assistant] Dellen met a woman named Laura Babcock around 2009 at Brunswick House, a pub in Toronto. They began dating for a short time before becoming friends who would still engage in sex from time to time. Laura then dated a man named Sean Lerner for about 18 months in 2010 and 2011.


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[Assistant] A few months before they broke up, Laura told a healthcare worker that she had been suffering from depression and anxiety. She admitted to engaging in self harm.


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[Assistant] This was followed by a downward spiral of Laura using drugs, becoming homeless, and working for an escort business.


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[Assistant] During this time, Dellen had started dating a woman named Kristina Nudga, and she had become jealous of Dellen's relationship with Laura.


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[Assistant] The women began texting taunts back and forth to each other. On April 17, 2012, Dellen sent a text to Christina that he was going to take care of Laura. It said, quote, first I'm going to hurt her, then I'll make her leave. I'll remove her from our lives, end quote.


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[Assistant] When Sean learned that Laura was having a difficult time, he paid for a motel room for her to stay in and gave her an iPad so she could look for apartments.


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[Assistant] On July 3rd, 2012, Laura stopped at her parents' house and dropped off a suitcase full of clothes, her Maltese dog, Lacey, and a shoebox with about a thousand dollars in cash in it.


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[Assistant] She then went to a subway station where Dellen picked her up and took her to his house. Well, it was his father's house, but he told authorities that he was renovating the apartment he owned, so he was living at his father's house.


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[Assistant] At 7.03pm, Laura made an outgoing call on her phone to check her voicemail which connected to a cell tower near Dellen's house. That was the last activity that ever happened on her phone.


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[Assistant] At about 7.30pm, Dellen texted a longtime friend, Mark Smitch, that read, quote, I'm on a mission, back in one hour, end quote.


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[Assistant] The following day, the iPad that Sean had given to Laura was connected to Dellen's computer, and the name was changed to Mark's iPad.


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[Assistant] Then, Dellen took a picture of a rolled up blue tarp on a farm he owned in Waterloo.


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[Assistant] Here's the next entry in my long running series of tips for criminals.


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[Assistant] First, if you're going to kill someone, don't make your house the last place that their cell phone pings. Then, don't take an electronic device from them and plug it into your computer.


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[Assistant] Computers have log files that most people don't know about, but that's because most people don't need to know about them. But in that log file, your computer records everything that happens to it, including when a USB device is plugged into the computer and when it's unplugged from the computer.


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[Assistant] On top of that, don't change the stolen electronic device to have your name on it. Then don't take photographic evidence of your crime. You might as well just wear a sign that says, I did it.


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[Assistant] Dellen had also ordered a commercial incinerator meant for farms to dispose of dead animals. It was aptly named the Eliminator.


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[Assistant] He had a mechanic for his family's company, Shane Schlattman, build a trailer for it so he could transport it out to his farmland in Waterloo.


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[Assistant] On July 23rd, Dellen sent a text message to Mark that read, quote, Then he did a search on his phone for temperatures for cremation.


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[Assistant] He took more pictures, this time of Mark with the incinerator.


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[Assistant] Laura was reported missing on July 14th by both her family and Sean Lerner. But when the police discovered her history of mental illness and that she had worked as an escort, they didn't take the report seriously. Because, you know, someone who suffers from mental illness and or who works for an escort couldn't possibly be in danger. Clearly.


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[Assistant] When Laura's cell phone bill arrived at her parents' house, they noticed that the last contact was with Dellen. Sean sent Dellen a text that read, quote, I'm not looking to point a finger at anyone, but we're concerned about Laura, and it looks like you were the last person to correspond with her, end quote.


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[Assistant] Dellen tried to ignore the texts, but Sean persisted and he finally responded, agreeing to meet Sean at a local Starbucks to discuss the situation.


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[Assistant] At the meeting, Dellen claimed that Laura was hounding him to get her drugs, and that he had denied her request. Then he told Sean that he should, quote, have no reasonable expectation of finding her, end quote. Sean gave the phone records to police, but they never followed up on the information.


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[Assistant] With the police not taking Laura's disappearance seriously and no evidence that proved Dellen had killed her, there wasn't much the family could do.


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[Assistant] On November 29th, 2012, Dellen's father, Wayne, was found dead inside his home. He had been shot through the left eye. After the police were called, they brought Dellen in for questioning.


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[Assistant] Watching this interview was the first experience I had with Dellen Millard. I had heard of the case and had read a brief overview, but I hadn't really seen anything else about him.


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[Assistant] In this interview, Dellen is not a suspect. The police are questioning him as a witness to the death that ultimately gets ruled a suicide. But I don't know how he never became a suspect.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's just because I know what he has done and what he eventually will do, but not only does he have a vibe that is just plain off, he has some strange answers to questions.


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[Assistant] First, it takes him a really long time to call 911.


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[Assistant] It just seems like his father's death was of no concern. He calls his mom and calls a friend, then waits for them to come over, then mom spends five to ten minutes inside the house, then they call 911. This is another prime example of a weird answer.


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[Assistant] When someone asks you when was the last time you saw someone who recently died, who answers the literal last time they saw their dead body?


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[Assistant] If you have a family member that dies and you have to identify the body, if after that someone asks you when the last time you saw them was, would you answer, five minutes ago in the coroner's office? No, you would automatically think back to the last time you saw them alive.


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[Assistant] The reason is because most human beings don't like death. If you find a dead body and someone asks you when the last time you saw them was, your brain doesn't want to think about the death. So you skip over that and think about the last time you saw them alive.


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[Assistant] The problem with Dellen is that he has no problem with death. It's likely that he actually enjoys it. So when the detective asked him about the last time he saw his father, the first thing that popped into his head was seeing his father's dead body.


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[Assistant] He also gives way more information than he needs to when answering a question, which is a common sign that someone is lying.


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[Assistant] Instead of answering, I saw him Thursday about lunchtime. He goes into detail about where they were and who else was there and specifically what they were talking about. He goes into detail about his mom thinking the dog was dead and asking about the dog bed. It seems like a huge red flag to me.


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[Assistant] Since it seems like the police already think they're dealing with a suicide, they asked Dellen if Wayne had suffered from any depression, which of course Dellen confirms.


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[Assistant] Dellen made it sound like his father was going to go bankrupt if the new business didn't take off, but that wasn't true. Wayne still had millions of dollars, and that money, along with control of the business, all went to Dellen.


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[Assistant] This wasn't the only lie that Dellen would tell authorities when they questioned him about his father's death.


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[Assistant] They asked him if he owned any other property outside of the apartment that he owned in the business property, and he said no. But in 2011, he had purchased a farm in Waterloo. That farm was where he used the Eliminator to dispose of Laura Babcock's body.


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[Assistant] After Wayne's death was officially ruled a suicide, Dellen became the chief executive officer of Millard Air and his mother, Madeleine, became a corporate officer. It looks as though Dellen considered selling the business, but control was eventually turned over to Madeleine and it looks like the business ceased operation in 2013.


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[Assistant] Friends of Delon said he started going on what he called missions with his friends. They would steal things like construction equipment and lawn mowers. These missions were strictly for thrills since he had more than enough money to purchase whatever he needed.


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[Assistant] In 2012, a man named Marty McDougall listed a motorcycle and trailer for sale online.


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[Assistant] A few days later, someone stole the motorcycle and trailer out of his driveway. Marty informed the police that there was a security camera across the street. An officer collected the footage, but Marty never heard back about the case. He said he sent about 10 emails and called about 10 times, but his inquiries were ignored.


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[Assistant] Tim Bosma was a 32 year old man from Hamilton. He was married and had a two year old daughter. He worked as a building contractor and was in the process of building his family's first home.


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[Assistant] Money was tight, so he decided to sell his pickup truck and buy a less expensive one.


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[Assistant] In May of 2013, Tim put an ad online selling his 2007 Dodge Ram pickup truck.


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[Assistant] Dylan and Mark called and asked if they could come by and test drive the truck on May 6th at about 9.30pm.


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[Assistant] Tim was concerned about the late hour, but agreed to let them come by. It's said that they arrived on foot, telling Tim and his wife Charlene that a friend had dropped them off, but later testimony says that Mark was driving Dellen's SUV. Tim went with the two men as they test drove the truck, but they never came back.


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[Assistant] After several hours, Charlene called police to report her husband missing. On May 9, police held a press conference where Charlene asked for the return of her husband.


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[Assistant] The police took this case seriously and actually investigated Tim's disappearance. Which seems obvious, but you never know, they might have went, oh, he probably just decided to leave you and ran off with a couple of buddies. That seems like the typical response by authorities to missing persons reports.


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[Assistant] The police got a report that someone found Tim's cell phone in an industrial area while mowing the lawn.


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[Assistant] They determined that the phone used to call Tim was a burner phone that had only been activated three months prior.


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[Assistant] Records of that phone revealed two other people who Dellen and Mark had set up test drive appointments with.


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[Assistant] They didn't show up to the first one, but the man at the second appointment told them that two men had showed up to test drive his truck.


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[Assistant] He gave authorities a description of the men and told them that one had a tattoo on his forearm of the word ambition.


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[Assistant] When police released that detail, they were informed that Dellen Millard matched the description and had the same tattoo.


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[Assistant] Dellen was arrested on May 11th, 2013 and charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000.


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[Assistant] When authorities searched properties specific to Dellen, they located Tim's truck inside of a trailer parked at his mother's house, and human remains inside the incinerator at his farm property.


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[Assistant] Police confirmed the remains were Tim's on May 14th.


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[Assistant] Dellen's charges were upgraded to first degree murder, and a few days later, Mark was also arrested and charged with Tim's murder.


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[Assistant] After Dellen was charged with murder, Sean Lerner wrote a letter to the Toronto police claiming they failed to file a missing persons report, didn't collect statements from friends, and eventually abandoned the case.


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[Assistant] While awaiting trial for the murder of Tim Bosma, authorities came to the ingenious conclusion that Dellen just may have had something to do with the disappearance of Laura Babcock. Man, if only someone had suggested that earlier.


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[Assistant] They also reopened the investigation into the death of Dellen's father, Wayne.


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[Assistant] This is when Marty McDougal got a call from the police informing him that his motorcycle and trailer had been located, disassembled inside the Millard Air Hangar in Waterloo.


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[Assistant] At trial, which didn't begin until February 1st, 2016, both Dellen and Mark pleaded not guilty, though Mark pointed the finger at Dellen. He claimed that he and Dellen were test driving trucks in preparation to steal one. They wanted to make sure the conditions were right before actually committing the theft.


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[Assistant] Dellen and Tim were in the truck and he was following them in Dellen's SUV. When they stopped, Tim was slumped over in the seat and there was blood everywhere.


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[Assistant] They then both traveled to the Millard Air Hangar in Waterloo where they burned Tim's body in the incinerator before moving it to Delon's farm. They loaded Tim's truck into an enclosed trailer and parked it at Delon's mother's house. Mark also claimed to have buried the murder weapon, but didn't remember where.


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[Assistant] Delon's lawyer presented a case where Mark was the shooter and his client only helped cover up the crime.


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[Assistant] It ultimately didn't matter who pulled the trigger. As long as they both planned and participated in the crime, they could both be convicted.


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[Assistant] On June 17th, 2016, Dellen Millard and Mark Smitch were both found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison, with the possibility of parole after 25 years. A punishment that the men claimed was unfair.


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[Assistant] While investigating the disappearance of Laura Babcock, authorities uncovered a mountain of evidence. It looked like the entire incident started when Delon's current girlfriend, Kristina Nudga, and Laura had sent each other a series of caddy texts.


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[Assistant] First, Christina sent, quote, Happy birthday. A year ago today was the first time I slept with Dellen. End quote. Laura responded, quote, That's fine. I slept with him a couple of weeks ago. End quote.


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[Assistant] They found the iPad that had once belonged to Sean at Mark's house, the computer logs that had been plugged into Delon's computer, Laura's red suitcase with her name tag still on it, the photo of the rolled up tarp, and text messages between Delon and Mark.


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[Assistant] Mark was an aspiring rapper. Don't worry, I'll give you a minute to finish laughing. Alright.


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[Assistant] Here's another example of Mark's fine wrapping skills.


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[Assistant] I know all you record labels are dying to sign him, but unfortunately he's in prison.


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[Assistant] After getting a warrant to search the home of Kristina Nudga, they found 65 handwritten letters from Delon scattered on her bedroom floor. It seems as if the letters had been smuggled out of prison so that they wouldn't be read by the prison staff.


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[Assistant] In the letters, Dellen wrote that Christina could be called as a witness, so they needed to get their story straight. His first suggestion was that, quote, Laura was overdoing Coke with Mark in the basement. We went to say good night to them. You saw her alive with Mark with Coke, end quote.


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[Assistant] He's instantly setting up his best friend to take the fall for the murder by himself. He wrote in another letter, quote, What I've written to you is a rough draft. We need to get our stories straight, end quote. He ended every letter with, quote, Destroy this letter to protect me, end quote. Something she clearly didn't do.


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[Assistant] It was also discovered that on July 22nd, 2012, Dellen purchased a .32 caliber revolver from a man named Matthew Ward Jackson.


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[Assistant] Matthew confirmed in court that he had sent a text reading, quote, 32, but it's a real nice, nice compact piece. I'm sure you'd like it, end quote. He confirmed that he'd sold the gun to the man, but didn't know if he was purchasing it for himself or a third party.


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[Assistant] Matthew had a criminal record filled with gun charges, one of them being for the illegal sale of this gun to Delon.


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[Assistant] It just so happened to be the gun that was recovered from the scene from Wayne Millard's supposed suicide.


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[Assistant] Like many other narcissistic assholes have done in the past, Dellen decided to represent himself. It was most likely an attempt to intimidate witnesses and make them uncomfortable, but it didn't work.


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[Assistant] Just like the thrill he got remembering the last time he saw his father's dead body, he wants to see his victim's families in pain.


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[Assistant] It's obvious that he wants this process to be difficult for Clayton and it's a strange thing to display while claiming to be innocent of her murder.


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[Assistant] Dellen asked Clayton questions about Laura working as a prostitute, and if he had ever hit or abused her. But the father remained calm and answered the questions without giving Dellen the satisfaction he was looking for.


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[Assistant] Dellen was warned by the judge for asking inappropriate questions when Sean Lerner took the stand.


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[Assistant] The convicted murderer tried to rattle everyone who he questioned, but it doesn't sound like anyone took the bait.


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[Assistant] In December of 2017, both Dellen Millard and Mark Smich were found guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to another life sentence with the possibility of parole after 25 years.


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[Assistant] These sentences were to be served consecutively with their current life sentences. That means that they would have to wait 50 years before they would be eligible for parole. Well, at least Mark will be. Dellen still had one more trial to go.


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[Assistant] After they reopened the investigation of Wayne Millard's death, they found Dellen's DNA on the gun that had been recovered from Wayne's bedroom. They also uncovered the fact that Dellen had purchased the gun illegally from Matthew Ward Jackson.


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[Assistant] Interviews with people who knew the father-son business owners revealed that the two were having frequent arguments. Some said that Wayne was planning to cut off Dellen because he was spending too much money on things that didn't focus on the business.


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[Assistant] Dellen had claimed during his interview that he had slept at Mark's house the night before he arrived home at about 6 to 6.30pm when he found his father dead in his bed. Cell phone records revealed that Dellen had actually been at the house from 1am to 6am that morning, which was around the estimated time of death.


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[Assistant] It started in June of 2018, and on September 24th, Dellen Millard was found guilty of yet another first degree murder. He was sentenced to a third life sentence with the possibility of parole after 25 years to be served consecutively, making it one of the longest sentences in Canadian history.


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[Assistant] After the final trial was over, the police took a lot of heat for not properly investigating the disappearance of Laura Babcock and the death of Wayne Millard.


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[Assistant] Many people believe investigating those cases more thoroughly would have resulted in Dellen's arrest and conviction before he had a chance to murder Tim Bosma.


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[Assistant] Even investigating the stolen motorcycle better might have led to his arrest.


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[Assistant] Detective Sergeant Mike Carbone was asked exactly this at a press conference and this was his answer.


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[Assistant] What a crock of shit. He's in prison now, so no harm no foul. Typical.


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[Assistant] If you're the victim of domestic abuse, please reach out to someone for help.


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[Assistant] Please talk to your local battered women's shelter or call the National Domestic Abuse Hotline at 1-800-799-SAFE.


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[Assistant] That's 1-800-799-7233 or you can go to thehotline.org to chat with someone online. The great thing about this website is that at any time, hitting the escape key twice will take you to a Google search page. That way, if your abuser is nearby, you won't get caught looking for help.


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[Assistant] If you're having feelings of harming yourself or someone else, or even just need someone to talk to, please contact your local mental health facility, call 911, or call Mental Health America, who operate the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 1-800-273-TALK.


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[Assistant] That's 1-800-273-8255. They're available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and will talk to you about any mental health issue you might be facing.


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[Assistant] And it cost $75 each time. That is highway robbery, Doug.


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[Assistant] Rotate your tires? They just offered it to me because I have a mobile service coming.


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[Assistant] When speaking about taking prescriptions to multiple pharmacies, you mentioned that pharmacists don't have time to look up drug interactions. Yes, Clark's accurate that we are overworked as ever before, but as a pharmacist, I was appalled to hear this oversight.


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[Assistant] Reviewing drug interactions is the most important part of our job, and we catch so many issues that can be life-threatening, including drug interactions, wrong dose, wrong directions, wrong quantity, and drug duplications.


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[Assistant] Patients who see many doctors will have, all have their prescriptions come to us and by coming to one pharmacy we are able to catch these issues. Please ask the friendly pharmacist at Costco about what their job entails and thank you for helping me learn to save for my future, Kasim.


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[Assistant] Clark, you don't necessarily stink, but may be uninformed. You recently spoke about purchasing a vehicle from various areas in the country when your home state is different than where you purchased, and said that sales tax does not matter.


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[Assistant] You are correct that where you reside is where you register and have to worry about the sales tax. But sales tax can play an important part of the decision of purchasing a vehicle in a different state. A state like Florida will not recognize the excise tax paid on a vehicle purchased in Georgia when you register in Florida. So you may be hit with two separate taxes instead of just Florida's sales tax.


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[Assistant] I would simply suggest that you have your listeners verify the tax situation in their home state if they look at purchasing outside of that state. Thank you for all you do, Scott.


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[Assistant] Like you, I also love to travel, so I'm always excited when you give advice on saving money when traveling. However, there are two things we do differently. First, I don't go to a place simply because they're offering bargains. I go to a place because I'm interested in that specific place on my bucket list, so to speak.