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[Assistant] That's the next group down, but you know, I said, as I'm sitting here, you got me thinking now, and this is where I can go off the rails on this. I want to be like, well, hey, we got the, the big guy group of, you know, Watson and Pierce, and then I would make Burke, you know, the third one, and then I'd make Drake along to the fourth one. But, um,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that's how I would put it in those tiers. And then I would go, yes, you got that next group of guys with Sky. I think I would probably, that next group of guys, I would put them all on the same tier. Alave. Exactly. Wilson. Right. Sky Moore, like you mentioned. I'd probably put all those.


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[Assistant] Uh, even Tolbert from South Alabama. I think I'd probably put them all there. Calvin Austin, yes, a little bit specialized and different, but yeah, that's I guess how I'd look at it a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, he might've. It might've been right about four or five, but it had like an amazing ten. Uh, if I remember. Where are you at here?


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[Assistant] I will, I wanted to see the names. First off, I think he's wrong about Evans. I'm pretty sure Evans ran 437 at the combine. So that's where, that's where I'm getting into it. Got it. And the rest of these, this is where...


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[Assistant] Wait, we have an offense that knows how to use the guy in a specific skill set and it's the perfect match for him. You know, Cup, Renfro, I would look at those two guys and go, hey, here's your, their jitterbug slot guys. Yes, it's not about, you know, their necessarily ability just to fly by you.


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[Assistant] You know, their ability to win with quickness and changing directions and accelerating and stopping and re-accelerating. You know, those guys got great value in the NFL. There's more ways to get the ball to those guys in the NFL than college. There's way more plays.


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[Assistant] It's, it's just, it's more detailed, you know, there's more of a, a, a, a Rolodex of plays to go to for that guys. Then, you know, with, with guys like, uhm, uh, Hopkins, and, and even, and even, uhm, Thomas,


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[Assistant] That's where you, when you go, it's a size league. See, that's where I go, yeah, the speed.


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[Assistant] You know, the size makes up for it a little bit. It's, he's covered, but he's never covered. I mean, Hopkins has covered a lot of times in his career. It doesn't matter. It's so 40 yard game down the sideline was blanketed, but he got it. Michael Thomas the same way. So that's where you get into the size, the route running, the offenses, the know how to use them.


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[Assistant] I think there is definitely, it's a great question. I think there's some good thoughts there. And I think that pretty much holds true, except for there might be like every year there's two or three guys where you go, ooh, they're special. And that's where you go, okay. You know, yes.


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[Assistant] My system will make him good, but shit, he can, he's gonna make my, me good too. Cause we're gonna, it's, I can just throw a slant and he's gone.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, Deebo Samuels. Deebo Samuel, Justin Jefferson, you were very high on him. No question. You know, again, those are my cup of tea kind of guys there. DK Metcalf was my number one, AJ Brown, you know, I value that a little bit more than...


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[Assistant] Oh, he runs the perfect post corner. You know, what I say is all those guys get open on the post corner too because they're so fast to the post. Everybody's like, Oh, they're running the post that the cut to the corner doesn't need to be that great because they're, they're, they're, they've scared you to death already.


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[Assistant] So that's where, you know, I look at that. But I think the point is, and that's where I think it's interesting this year too.


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[Assistant] I think yes, when you get down the line now and you get down to, oh, here's, you know, receiver six through 25. I do think sometimes people put too much value on receiver six or seven and I go, man, receiver 19 to like your point where you just said before.


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[Assistant] Is like barely less than that guy. So why do we gotta take this guy right now? That's where I think teams kinda reach at times a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uh, let alone, like, you know, talked about it, they become production whores, uh, a little bit, and look at stats too much. Right. Uhm, but, I think those, those were all, all really good thoughts there. And, uh,


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[Assistant] That's, my point was, that's where I'm a little interested in the draft.


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[Assistant] Like I could see it going seven receivers in the first round.


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[Assistant] I could see three or four going off the round, in the first round and then.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I, this is where I gotta get deeper into the draft with defensive tackle and all. To where it goes, maybe the three or four go in the first round and then everybody starts to go, wait, well there's a lot left here. We gotta get our good D tackle or a good pass rusher right now. And all of a sudden it's a run of them in the second and third round. I can see that happening too. Well, let's go there then.


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[Assistant] And Sky Moore in my top 5, but I kinda look at them as 20-32. It's, exactly, they're fringe first rounders for me. I know they are. And I understand, Wilson, I'm in the minority. There's probably a number of teams that go, well, Chris Hems is crazy. I get that, you know, I realize that a little bit with my pushback, uhm, from some of the teams there.


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[Assistant] Well, yes. You know, again, where it's tricky with them is it's just, it's...


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[Assistant] Such a, it was such a great connection and, you know, trust there with Rodgers and Adams. And like I've always said with them, it's a little bit more on the precision, the details, you know, it is that.


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[Assistant] So you know, it's, it's, they're an execution team, like you've heard me say, as what worried me about them during the season, right? I go, I don't know if you can just execute your way to the Super Bowl and win it. And at some point, some guys gotta make some crazy plays and do some crazy shit and take pressure off your team. So, that's where, I don't think that's replaceable. I don't.


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[Assistant] And, you know, you look at their roster right now and you go, damn, they need a little bit of everything right now. I mean, there's no one area. You expect Alizar to be back, so okay, we got a big receiver who can do a little bit of everything. Randall Cobb, okay, can work the middle of the field a little bit, but damn, let's come into the end here.


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[Assistant] You know, and that's where, you know, it depends who's there, but I'm, with Green Bay, I almost look at it like, best receiver available. Take it. There's no...


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[Assistant] There's no, oh wait, these two guys are in place, so now you need this kind of guy here. It's whoever.


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[Assistant] And then whoever you get there, you base off your, you know, your next time you want to draft a receiver off of that. Oh, we got the big guy at the end of first round. Now we can go to smaller slot guy in the third or whatever. Uh, that's, that's to me is where I look at it.


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[Assistant] I gotta think one of those is gonna go to a receiver. I really, I would, I would be shocked. I would. Now...


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[Assistant] So there's certainly going to be a receiver available there that can help their team and they're sitting there at 53. So you got four picks in the top 59 and like we just talked about, there's a lot of wide receivers to be had here that can help your football team.


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[Assistant] He's not gonna. It's gonna be about you gotta do this route the right way. It's this coverage. You gotta run it that way. Those are things that are constantly talked about in Green Bay. I know Rogers values it, you know, greatly about everybody being on the same page, and that's where it's gonna be hard to replace it.


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[Assistant] You know, that's what worries me there. But, you know, again, I think with the status of the class, they can really kind of go best guy available. And, wow. I mean,


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[Assistant] Don't you feel like they almost have no choice? Like if they don't take a quarter of a receiver, a 22 or 28, I mean, they're going to hear about it. That's, that's going to be the thing that's going to be, you've got to think about if you're them.


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[Assistant] Maybe there's a little bit more, first off, a little bit thicker, bigger of a person. When I saw him in person, I went, oh, okay, there's a little bit more of a man here than I thought on film. And I think the next thing is, yea, there was a little more straight line speed that I gave him credit for.


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[Assistant] And, you know, he's just a football player, like just understands the game, willing to work at it. You know, it just, again, it was, I thought a pretty good class last year. You know, the kind of guys I like, I guess I didn't value him enough in the fact that he can kind of do everything.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he can work the middle of the football field that way. So no, I didn't mean to disrespect him. He's a really good football player and


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[Assistant] They need another receiver to kind of round out their group there with the New York Jets, I think too. Now I don't know, I don't think that's going to happen in, you know, round one with those two high picks.


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[Assistant] But, you get to round two, or maybe if they trade down with one of those high picks they got, I could see them going, hey, let's make sure we protect our number two pick in the draft and get him one more guy to throw the ball to.


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[Assistant] The guy that I think is the biggest production. Yeah, who's gonna make the biggest jump?


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[Assistant] I didn't mean, I like both, Caderius Tony is probably the guy I look at. Caderius Tony I think showed me like,


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[Assistant] Different level type of talent, alright? That would be the guy I would feel safe. Now, now, Diyami Brown didn't do a whole lot. I still have a lot of faith in Diyami Brown. He was hurt as well. I know. And I saw enough to go, wait, the guy can go, he's gonna be able to run by some people, so let's see where that goes a little bit. I'm not giving up on that. Certainly not. Uh, but,


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[Assistant] I think you saw even last year with the Giants, like after the first game or two when they had Kaderius Tony, he became like, oh wait, let's get the ball. He became the guy. Let's get the ball in his hands. Let's let him do things. To me, he's, he's that guy that I talk about here.


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[Assistant] You know, again, not perfect receiver, but it's overrated when they're scared of your speed or when you make people miss and can run by people with the ball in your hand. So I love him. I do like Terrace Marshall as well. You know, that, listen, I like that class there. You know, like I said, I'm not giving up on Brown or Terrace Marshall there.


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[Assistant] You know, I think I valued maybe their speed and their size a little bit more than Elijah Moore and that's where I messed on that.


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[Assistant] The guy I think makes the jump. I do. Because I think Dayball's gonna go, holy shit, this guy's awesome. Can he stay healthy? I got a lot of plays to give him. Yea, you're right. Can he stay healthy?


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[Assistant] The one thing that jumped out to me about the Cardinals, the wide receiver position, other than Hopkins, everybody's small. Everybody's 5'10", 5'9", 5'10", 5'8". They need another guy that, like, you can go, hey, you know, he can play on the outside and do something there.


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[Assistant] You know, so, uh, really, they should be able to have almost their pick of the litter there.


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[Assistant] Uh, any of my guys, as far as Watson or Pierced, I mean, to me, they would be perfect.


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[Assistant] Oh, guys that can fly, but also can run like the short game stuff and Kyler can get it and we can runs after catch. So I look at that. You know, if you want to.


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[Assistant] If there was a run or maybe you wanted to trade back, I wrote down names like, you know, Jalen Tolbert. I don't think I look at him as being worth the 23rd pick of the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't. You know, to me, it's something about like second round, maybe a George Pickens, that kind of guy where that's what I would look for.


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[Assistant] You know, they had that in AJ Green a little bit. That's what I think the point of that was. Wait, we got all these small guys and now we can put two bigger guys on the outside that can run by or we throw a jump ball or whatever. That's what I'd be looking at if I'm there, roster.


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[Assistant] Thank you. That's the question right there. I don't look at the bills going into this draft going, ooh, we need receivers so bad, so bad, so bad. I know I talked about it at the end of last year, I'd like to see them get one more difference maker.


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[Assistant] I think their thought is Gabriel Davis is gonna be that guy. I think he probably helped us stock out a lot at the end of the year and of course the way he played in the divisional game.


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[Assistant] I think Isaiah McKenzie probably popped on the screen for them a little bit more last year too, the way he played. I'd have a hard time thinking he's not going to be a little bit more part of the offense, part of the reason why they released Cole Beasley. And then also, they got Jameson Crowder.


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[Assistant] Uh, and free agency from the Jets. I mean, Jamison Crowder, you know, he's, he is your prototypical slot jitterbug killer there.


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[Assistant] So, I don't know, I think you digs, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah McKenzie, Jamison Crowder, and to add a little icing on the cake, they have a guy in Markel Stevenson who they drafted what, fifth round last year, who's a legit 4-3 guy and can be


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[Assistant] Hey, run down the field and Allen will throw you an 80 yard bomb every now and then or we might give you a reverse. I don't look at it as a desperate need for their football team. So, you know, I think they're going to be one that's going to, first few rounds, you're going to see defense, corners.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe an offensive lineman. I don't think receivers are going to be at the top of the list. They might not take one. I wouldn't be shocked. If they do, it'll be later, later to mid rounds.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. He's gonna go, wait, my friend that I just let go down to be the head coach of Miami, he got Jalen Watto and Tyreek. It's like two of the same guys, right? It's like yeaah. You can't be wrong there. You can't.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I mean, gosh yeaah, I'd love to see Kyle with Calvin Austin and Devo Samuel and Brandon Iuke and all of that. They're another team though, I look at them and go, they got,


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[Assistant] A lot of the smaller to medium sized receivers, Ayuk's the only guy I look at that has kind of like a size element to him. To me, where I look at them maybe missing is just going, and again, I love your thought there about another weapon guy, but I also feel like


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[Assistant] They need to find another Kendrick Bourne or something along those lines.


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[Assistant] You know, again, a guy that, yeaah, occasionally we can give him a reverse or whatever, but can really run routes and be a pro.


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[Assistant] And when Shanahan goes, you know, hey, we, we think you, you know, this DB, we don't like him. He starts to figure out, oh wait, my good route runner guy, I'm going to have him run these routes on this guy. And this guy has issues with that. That's where he's good at putting it all together. So, I mean, I look at Deebo to go, okay, can fly. He's your weapon guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to me that's, I would be more looking along, I think a guy like, again, I went to George Pickens here, was the name I came up with. That was the one that popped to my head as far as, yeah, maybe a second round, third round.


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[Assistant] Well yea, or no, but it may be size guys that you feel a little bit better with. Size, size guys, and you know, accurate, usually guys that have, you know, inaccurate problems. To me, the thing you do to be safe with them is go, let's throw the ball outside, and let's throw the ball down the field. It gives a little bit more room for error. The downfield throw, you let the receiver just adjust.


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[Assistant] Adjust the balls, use his size, whatever. He's not going to carve teams up five yards at a time. Right, but he can like, hey, this guy, if we just tell him, hey, we got a deep post going across the field, he can put it in that general area pretty far down there. And if we got a guy that can go get it and do it, that's, that's their value there.


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[Assistant] You know, yes, that, you know, and then that's why I always say, you know, the outside, the number stuff too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a little bit different, difficult of a throw if you don't have arm power, but he's got arm power and like it's a safer throw than trying to jam some of those balls over the middle and the tight windows and oh, it's deflected or oh, I threw it off his back shoulder because I was a little off target. Now it got tipped in the air, interception that way.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeah, so I guess that's, you know, something I look at. The one guy I also look at too, and I think we brought him up,


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[Assistant] He's a guy I just would throw out there to go like, he could be something. He's...


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[Assistant] As you watch them, he's very raw, but as the year went along, he got really better at route running, better at getting off press. And then he goes to the combine and throws up some great numbers. And it has a three cone drill that I look at a little bit more specifically at receiver than maybe other positions because it does tell you a little bit about their route running. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly right. I guess that's who I'm talking about. That would be that kind of guy that I would look at, you know, for the 49ers. I don't think they need the slot jitterbug or anything like that.


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[Assistant] I think it is a place that's definitely gonna be on their radar. You know, definitely somewhere between round two and five. I think they gotta add another body there. You know, they got Kiki Coutier, Coutier, Coutier, you know, as a slot jitterbug type of guy for their offense. We know they got Michael Pittman Jr. like you talked about. Paris Campbell.


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[Assistant] You know, hey Ohio State fans, my number two receiver, just everybody remembers back, always injured. Just has absolute superstar talent. I mean, I just, I wish he could stay healthy. I really do.


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[Assistant] No, I think they're in a process there, uhm, where you look at pick 43 or whatever, you can go, who's ever are fancy. Wait. I don't think it matters. Right.


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[Assistant] Somebody that really pops to you at 42, then go take it. You know, okay, well wait, guy here at 42, man, we kinda had a, you know, end of the first round type great on him, we gotta get him, then take it. Sure. But I think they can almost use anything at the position. It doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] I would think so. I think that's, I could certainly see a run going there once again.


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[Assistant] You know, almost like the draft with Deebo and AJ Brown. Like everybody had these questions about these guys. You know, oh, and it was all production related. It didn't matter. It just was all product. That's where it annoys me.


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[Assistant] And that's where I'm hoping the league realizes it with Christian Watson and Alec Pierce. And I think they will a little bit. Cause they're gonna go, that year they're gonna go, you went on for production guys, but they couldn't really get open or do anything. But their teams knew how to throw them the ball and do that, and you guys put such great credit over that.


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[Assistant] And that's where I, I'll be interested to see where this, this, this whole thing goes. Because with Deebo and AJ Brown and like, again, you saw all these elements. The only thing that was missing was catches. Yea. But you went, he's running by guys. It's just the quarterback didn't throw it. I don't know. Uhm, so there could be some special guys there at 42.


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[Assistant] Listen, I should have said it when I was going through here, because I was sitting here looking something up. I just saw something, so I talked to you about Christian Watson, now he's, you know, first round mocks here in the last 48 hours. I've seen it. I mean, going to the Chiefs. Going to the Packers. That's who you see.


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[Assistant] What's happening is that people either listen to me and then they call around the league and they go, Oh shit. People do look at them as like a pretty good receiver. Oh shit. Okay. Okay. Or, you know, they've been sitting in the weeds on them a little bit cause they knew and they were waiting to release it or they just,


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Again, some of the real important evaluators in the NFL are just getting into this stuff. Yeaah. Definitely. So, I was gonna make a point there, and I can't remember what my point was. What would you, what would you pop me off with there? Alec Pierce. I will always defend you. Oh wait, so wait, I just saw something with Alec Pearson. It's a second round mock now. Now he's in a second round. Oh boy, here we go.


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[Assistant] You're, you're gonna see, again, whether you agree with me or not, this is what I could tell you about the NFL. You're gonna have a handful of teams that are gonna go, wait, 6-3, 4-4 flat?


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[Assistant] Insane numbers, everything else, turn on the film, runs by everybody.


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[Assistant] Runs great routes, it's, they're gonna, whether you like it or not, or he's a, like, there's just gonna be a group of teams that are gonna go.


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[Assistant] Good. Period. And we'll see how it goes from there, but they're gonna just take that aspect and go, he's good. Academic All-American? Boom.


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[Assistant] An hour and twenty-two, twenty-three minutes. Perfect. That's just right, right? Okay, good. God, everybody's happy. Hey homies, keep it coming.


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[Assistant] Keep the criticism, keep the questions, keep the good thoughts.


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[Assistant] Again, don't take it personal if I fire back and give you some snarkiness on my answers, alright? It's not personal.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I just get sick of seeing some of these things and people attacking me all the time. Sorry, it gets to me. Alright, uh, everybody be good out there. Check it out. You know what we got coming Monday. Cornerback rankings, safety rankings, cornerbacks.


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[Assistant] That sound bite too, the beginning of it, you would not know if the podcast is beginning or if it was like some evil character in a cartoon.


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[Assistant] Atlanta, I was in Atlanta for a really good game. Two for two on Peacock so far with our baseball games. Two really good games.


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[Assistant] First one in Fenway, yesterday we were in Atlanta, which by the way in Atlanta, what a cool park. I had not been there. Built it in 2017. They built this whole property, it's kind of outside the city so they could build and build on the stadium. So they told me that


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[Assistant] At the World Series last year, for one of the games, they had 40,000 people inside the stadium. And then they had another 60,000 people all around the stadium. Restaurants they built, big park areas with big screen TVs. It's a cool complex.


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[Assistant] Well it's what you need too, because the worst thing is if you build a stadium hoping that comes, which I think some teams have done, like the Marlins have done that in Miami, and then they don't build up around it, then you just got a ballpark that no one hangs around if there's not a game.


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[Assistant] I don't get how you do that. Like aren't you sweating the whole time? Like the game's going into overtime or just like, I might not make it.


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[Assistant] Matt Casey sent this, our other producer extraordinaire, leading the ship here. So this was, that was where we were. We were outside the ballpark, finding a restaurant, cause he's out there helping, producing the pregame show.


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[Assistant] I got broad shoulders, so that kind of makes it harder to get there. So, we, so, I would love to talk about this more. Well, we'll talk about it. Except that my belly was sticking out and I'd like to get off that subject.


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[Assistant] Uh, we have a big pod. Yes. Because we're starting your top 40. Right. Quarterback countdown. There we go. Okay. So we're going through, what are we going through? 36. Yup. So we'll get into that here. Bottom five.


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[Assistant] As in the number one prognosticator of all the Sims homies out there on points bet. Welcome in Rob from Illinois. Rob, how you doing? I'm doing great. How are you doing?


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[Assistant] Correct. So congratulations. I'm giving you a seeded ovation right here. We're showing your picks on the screen right now. You had Trayvon Walker 1, Hutchinson 2, Derrick Stingley 3, Sauce Gardner 4, and Kayvon Thibodeau 5. Now, Chris, I know-


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[Assistant] So this is what I'm saying. So this is how I know, Rob, now I'm guessing you're not a all the time listener to the pod, right? An occasional listener, perhaps.


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[Assistant] Because I was gonna say, Chris, uh, listeners to this pod probably did not have Thibodeau or Stingley. That was a shock to most of us. A shock to you. It was the right, for sure. Uhm, and so, and it was...


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[Assistant] I think that there was a few though that thought that Kavon Thibodeau would drop, maybe out of the top ten. Yeah. Uhm, and so, and so you just went with your gut right there. And what was it Pete? He got seven of the ten eventually there?


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[Assistant] Alright, yeaah, you got Evan Neil to the Giants there, you got Charles Cross there, uh, to number 9. Alright, so, so Rob, before we let you go, who's, who's your team?


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[Assistant] Thanks for participating in the, in the contest. Congratulations on doing so well and, uh, and thanks for throwing some shade on the Bears and giving some love to Matthew Stafford. I love this interview.


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[Assistant] Well, if they want to do that, they can sign up for the points bet app and use promo codes. We supply promo codes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you should love it. Points bet's gonna love that. Paying half your salary. Uh, I command you to do that. I can say that. As a commander, you can do that? As a commander, I can do that.


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[Assistant] You know what I command right now? What do you command? That we begin the 2022 Chris Sims Top 40 quarterback countdown. I grant your wish.


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[Assistant] We degrade some quarterbacks. Yeah, we asked Chris to put himself out there again for internet hate, which will certainly happen once again, but we always do a, do a good job of trying to explain your reasoning. And that's really the exercise here, right? It's like the numbers are one thing and they are where you think they are and talent wise.


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[Assistant] But we're trying to have conversations about where these quarterbacks are at right now with all these teams.


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[Assistant] So you talk to a lot of people in the NFL. You gotta know a lot of smart people in the NFL. Do you lean on them at all to make this list or is this all you?


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[Assistant] So how many quarterbacks, before we get to number 40, were in contention for top 40?


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[Assistant] So we'll probably share the honorable mention as we go. Because I think some reveal themselves, right Pete? Isn't that the best way to do it usually? Because I think, yea, we don't want to do it right now. We'll kind of go.


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[Assistant] I got it right here. Alright, so those three that missed the list are probably going to be some fanbases. You know, how could you leave this guy off the list?


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[Assistant] But you made the list. Number 40, we'll kick it off in the Sims Top 40 Quarterback Countdown is? Is Drew Locke, Seattle.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the one year he really started 2020, right? Started 13 games, led the league with 15 interceptions, 16 touchdowns. And then last year just started the three games fell out of the trust tree for the Denver Broncos last year fell out of your trust tree there too. And I think that was a good time as you take a look at his, his stats, the last are the first three years of his career. If you're watching on Peacock or YouTube.


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[Assistant] Alright, so having said that, um, Drew Locke is gonna be in a little, uh, quarterback battle. Definitely. You're right. With a guy that people just disrespect. Gino Smith. Yes. Well, was he disres- I mean, are we gonna get to Gino Smith?


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[Assistant] No, I was, I was curious. Cause I did not expect that.


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[Assistant] And it seems like part of the knock on Drew Lock may be, you know, immaturity. Can he be a leader of a team?


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[Assistant] Alright, so, so there it is. Drew Locke is 40 and if he doesn't like that, if he doesn't like that, win the job and prove that he's made some steps. He's made some progress.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get to 39 now. Right. And this is interesting, because I think this is a conversation about, you talking with Paul last time, what, 6 rookie quarterbacks? Major top 40? Not going to be that number.


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[Assistant] Uh, you take a look at his numbers in college, four years as a starter at Pittsburgh. Those first three, nothing to write home about. And then year number four, he had more touchdown passes last year than he did in those previous three combined.


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[Assistant] So that would be the concern is like, wow, was this just a flash in the pan? Or did it all come together for Kenny Piggett?


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[Assistant] We'll get to that. We'll get to that in a second here. But I think one other thing, because we just talked about situation does not matter. It doesn't matter who your receivers are. This is a generic team. But here's one situation where familiarity could matter. It could help your development as a player. Uhm, so he's obviously very familiar with that.


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[Assistant] Making progress. Progression. Projecting how far he can go from point A to point B. I mean, familiarity can't hurt, right? No, it definitely cannot.


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[Assistant] Plus, Pete, no, it's week one at Bengals. So are you really gonna throw the- That's a big-


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[Assistant] Can you pick it if it's not going well? You really don't want to go the other way around.


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[Assistant] This is an interesting part of the list because all these quarterbacks have like quarterback controversy, two quarterbacks on a team here, which one's going to be the starter, which one's going to be the backup and that I guess applies, although they're not going to say it in Miami, but I know some people are thinking it at 38 here.


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[Assistant] Gotta have the other pieces in place. Now, you don't look at last year's rankings. You told me that before the podcast. So I'll fill you in on where you've had Teddy the past few years. 2020, you had him at 29. Last year you had him at 32. This year you have him at 38. Next year he'll be out of the top 40.


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[Assistant] Right? Completion percentage was very similar. Passing yards per game, similar. Yep. Passing yards per attempt, low on the lowish end. Yeah, they're both on the lowish end. I mean, those are, if you switch those numbers around, it'd be like, you can't tell who's who.


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[Assistant] Alright, Pete, clip that off, and whenever a Miami Dolphin fan tweets to anon, you know, tweets Chris, you clip that and send it to him. Have a bot, set up a bot.


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[Assistant] At Buffalo or at Baltimore versus Buffalo and then at Cincinnati, first four games. And so if that's a, if that's a rough start for Tua, even if he's the better quarterback, more ability, there's going to be some chatter. Yeah. Give me some chat. I mean, no question. Tough defenses.


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[Assistant] Alright, we don't think there's a quarterback controversy in 37, but who knows? Early season struggles, you never know. 37 on your list is...


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[Assistant] One of my favorite moments from last year was Gardner Minshew embracing his father after that one week 11 game win against the Jets. Remember that? He's like pushing him, fist bumping him, like his dad's even like, oh man, this is throwing me off a little bit. I love it, like look at that. I know.


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[Assistant] Alright, you've already hinted here that Jalen Hurts' major list, and he did not last year. So you got him higher on this list. Take away the running. Say that the quarterback just had to stay in the pocket, and you're picking a quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles, a team that we know is going to run the ball really well, going to have a good defense. Who would be your quarterback?


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[Assistant] So you said Teddy Bridgewater, who is one behind Gardner Minshew, is a high quality backup, would never want him starting from my team. Does that apply to Gardner Minshew? Even with the leadership?


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[Assistant] You know what's funny is like, from covering him back in high school, he was so good. He was just such a mobile. You mentioned he's got a strong arm. Very strong arm. He's got fluid motions like that arm flopping around. He throws at 70 yards or whatever, 65. But he was so good as a mobile running quarterback.


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[Assistant] In high school. Yep. And then in college. Right. It's kind of the same things we talk about with Lamar Jackson. You just did not need to develop that other part of your game until you get to the NFL and the players are fast, faster than you've ever seen before. Yes. Right. But you just haven't


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[Assistant] You had that work before the NFL, where you needed to rely on your arm. He didn't need to rely on his arm ever.


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[Assistant] It's so huge for every position. We talk about it with receivers a lot too. Can you change the game with one play that


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[Assistant] Half the league would not be able to make it, right? Taking a 10 yard gain and making it a 70 yard touchdown like Jamar Chase does. That changes the whole complexion of a game. Like is there enough of that in Tyrod's game? You say, you say no. Pete's got a good question here. This is Producer Pete, at Producer Pete, Demolytus.


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[Assistant] Uh, what's more likely, Tua is benched for Teddy, or Daniel Jones is benched for Tyrod?


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[Assistant] Giants are really, you know, kicking the can down the road, right? Cause at least with Miami, you can...


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[Assistant] I think at this point, I think the realization there that Daniel Jones, unless he makes a huge leap, it's like he's not the future. Is he going to be the, is Daniel Jones going to be the quarterback of the Giants next playoff team?


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[Assistant] Yeah, he does some of those bad things, some of those frustrating things, and then the next day he'll take a picture with your son in New York.


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[Assistant] That Saints team, it put them in a better seeding playoff position. Like these quarterbacks could play a huge part in not having a playoff or non-playoff team. But maybe, you know, if the starter gets hurt and if the starter underwhelms, it's like these guys could have a huge impact on the NFL season.


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[Assistant] What did he get right at the bottom five, like in the- He got picked at 39, right?


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[Assistant] A try your luck at, what do we call that other one? Perfect 10? Perfect 10. If you could do the perfect 5, I wonder how many people would get, we should do the perfect 10 though, why don't we do the perfect 10? I'm all for that.


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[Assistant] Alright, so maybe we'll do a perfect ten. Yeah. And we'll give away, like, points spent won't do it, but Chris will give away 100,000 of his own dollars, if anyone can correctly.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. You can wear it for one day. You can wear my commander's outfit for one day then you have to send it back. Uh, that's fun. I think now that we're saying this


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[Assistant] Don't show that picture again of me at the top. My stomach was out a little bit. It was a little out. What was up with that? I don't know. You must have been eating that good southern food down there. There's a lot of food. I think it was a calzone right before that or pasta or something like that. Oh, yum, yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, wow legs, wow ass, that's what I like, no doubt about it, and that's why.


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[Assistant] And I mean, it's funny, and even football people make fun of me sometimes because they're like, oh man, you talk about it so much. Or they're like, you opened my eyes to it, I see it now, and I'm like, oh that guy's got a pair of legs. You see butts everywhere. Right, right.


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[Assistant] Like I've always said, the guys that overs were the strongest to me, just evaluating the bodies. It wasn't about their biceps or their pectorals. They had a lower half that was scary.


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[Assistant] And some back muscles. That would be the thing I would, like, Warren Sapp. I could probably out bench press Warren Sapp. Like, no joke.


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[Assistant] He, he was, I mean, probably not, but you know what I mean. It probably wouldn't have been that, he wouldn't dominate me, right? But Warren's sad, but not to the point of where you'd think a defensive tackle should dominate a quarterback, right?


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[Assistant] Sap, like, the legs and everything else. So there he is, yeaah, okay, maybe he can't bench a whole lot more than me.


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[Assistant] But his legs and butt and back were that of like a specimen, even though he had a belly. So if you saw that side of him and then you go, oh, that's why he's throwing that 315 pounder around with one arm today and doing all that stuff. So tremendous power there. I always look for that. I don't, I'm sorry we went down this road. No, it's the key. It's the key. It's the key.


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[Assistant] For the most part, yes. I mean, there's some here too that like I've heard rumors or whatever, but I don't know if I believe it enough to jump on it.


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[Assistant] And we'll discuss and I'll have that. So hopefully, you know, if anybody wants to get out there and do a mock draft or anything, I've at least added some value to the conversation for things for you to think about. So yeah, it is a little bit of a combination of team needs looking at it. Oh wait, I don't know what this team is going to do. I haven't heard any rumors.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I'm gonna go through my evaluation, and also...


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[Assistant] You know, within reason, I know my number five wide receiver might be different than the most of the people in the NFL's number five or two wide receiver.


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[Assistant] So I'm not just gonna go, well, this was mine and I'm gonna put him here.


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[Assistant] Because I had, I understand that some of my guys aren't gonna go where I think they should go. And so I'm doing it off of I guess common knowledge and common sense that way too. I'm not just gonna totally follow my board here. Right? So if that makes sense too. So it's a little combination of everything like you're talking about.


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly right. Right. Yes. No doubt about it. Right. Upside floor. I certainly do have some nuggets as we'll get into things I've heard around the NFL, like you explained that makes sense here. And, uh, we'll dive into all of that. But, um, yeah, it's, it's a weird year too.


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[Assistant] As we talked about, to me the quarterback issue is, it's real in trying to figure out the draft a little bit, especially the top ten.


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[Assistant] And I think that's most of the NFL. I don't think any of the most of the NFL has a much of a feel exactly of where these quarterbacks are going to go. I think that's pretty true. And then you've got a few wild card players, I think in the draft too here that can disrupt or upset things. And we'll get into that a little bit specifically Derek Stingley and


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[Assistant] Came on Tibb-Tibbado from Oregon. Those two guys to me are kind of the wild cards and could go in the top ten.


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[Assistant] Most likely won't, but if they do, man, that's gonna leave some people on the board a little down the line, then of course, you know, might be, might make teams happy. Very interesting.


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[Assistant] And then, I think some of the teams here that are sitting here are gonna have some players fall in their lap. They're gonna go like, we gotta have it. To me, where the trades can happen and I think things like really can open up.


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[Assistant] Are around, like, pick 15 or so. Because I think that's where you're gonna have beauty in the eye of the beholder a little bit as far as that goes. You know, like, it's, it's, yea, not a lot of superstars, but as I told you, what was that, last week where I said,


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[Assistant] You know, when I finally got done with all my evaluations, I think I was close to 80 guys that I wrote 25 to 45. Yeah. So.


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[Assistant] That, that to me is where the value, and I think you're gonna start to see teams go, oh wait, wait, this guy's on the board still, we had him high, and another team might go, well we got him kind of down the board a little bit, so go ahead, you want to get him now, jump up. And to me, that, that's kind of how I read the room at least a little bit. If you're a team with a couple seconds. Yea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I'm gonna go with Aiden Hutchinson as the number one pick. One, I believe he is truly the best player in the draft, and that's the guy I would take. Now,


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[Assistant] You know, and so yes, you know, as much as Trayvon Walker, as talented as he is, probably more of a freak athlete. I understand that. Maybe a higher ceiling.


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[Assistant] I get all that too. Aiden Hutchinson's film in so many areas is just so good. You know what you're going to get for sure. Yeah, Trayvon Walker, there's that hair of a projection conversation we're talking about. And Jacksonville, here's the real thing that's going on.


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[Assistant] You know, I do know that there's definitely conversation of tackle or pass rusher. I'm not sure what tackle it is. I mean, I've heard some people say that it's Ikea, Quanu, maybe whatever. I don't know.


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[Assistant] But that's the rumor percolating around the NFL. Doug Peterson wants to tackle, he wants to emulate what they did in, in Philadelphia, which was, we got the biggest, baddest motherfucking offensive line you've ever seen and we're going to steamroll everybody and try to stop that first. He wants to do that.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of the rest of the organization wants to pass Russia. They look at it and go, wait, we got Cam Robinson, you know, we got Brandon Scherf.


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[Assistant] We drafted Walker Little in the second round last year, who to me has phenomenal talent. And again, I don't know what happened in the development this year. So there's that. That's where I go and just go, no, you got to go from the difference making edge guy. And now the other aspect of that is, yeah, we all thought it was going to be Aiden Hutchinson, but


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[Assistant] Here's what, I thought Aiden Hutchinson, one, I think he's the best player. Two, I thought, hey, Trent Baalke, you know, back in the day, he had Justin Smith in San Francisco, who was a real try-hard culture.


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[Assistant] It's down to Trayvon Walker and the tackle. And that'll be interesting. So there's some two cents for you. I don't know where it goes. I'm telling you who I would pick and I'm giving you a little of the rumors that are out there. I haven't heard enough tangible to know it's Trayvon Walker for me to change my pick that way. So I'm just not going to do it.


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[Assistant] But I understand that's out there, and if people are trying to make a mock, then you take that into consideration and do as you may please.


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[Assistant] But he makes up with it in so many other areas. He's as quick of an athlete as I've ever seen at that size. I've never seen a guy that twitchy and quick. And like we talked about at the time, speed or quicks to power was like


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[Assistant] Got to. I mean, to me, the edge is like, they need somebody to make a, that can be a difference maker on their defense, right? You're a Lions fan. Who the hell can make a play in a big moment to ever like, take the pressure off? Nobody.


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[Assistant] So they, that to me is what they do. Your offensive line is good. So I know we're not, I hope we're not looking at an offensive line there. That's a very good offensive line. They should be happy with that. We need to get some playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. Trayvon Walker, I'm sure they would love him. I mean again, they're a team that I think is going to be happy to get either one. And I got Trayvon Walker going there to Detroit.


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[Assistant] I would think the fan base would love if Jacksonville took Trayvon Walker and now Aiden Hutchinson's up around home in Michigan and oh my gosh, that would be a great thing for Detroit to kind of have that, you know, behind them and that backing.


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[Assistant] It's more than that. You know, to me it's one of those where, you know, again,


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[Assistant] What did you see to move them up? Oh, that's right. You just talked to a bunch of people and they changed your mind. You went, they know more than me, so I'm going to listen to them.


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[Assistant] That's what happened. So again, it goes back to our unqualified people making a lot of qualifying statements. You know, I think once the real evaluators, the important ones, start to evaluate not only the athlete, but then you take into account again what we've discussed.


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[Assistant] The way they play defense did not do Trayvon Walker any.


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[Assistant] Any favors at all. It didn't really show what he's all about. I still sit here and tell you that if they just said, Hey, go out to a wide ten nine technique, put your hand in the ground and then just rush to the six yard point behind the center.


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[Assistant] Here's one, I'm gonna say they go icky aquanoo. I feel like that's just more their cup of tea. Again, so I'm just giving everybody my logic. First off, with Houston, you know, they have a little flexibility to maybe wanna move icky to guard for a year if they wanted.


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[Assistant] Do something like that, but they have tackle issues. You know, you got the Tunzel, you know, they, they had Marcus Cannon at right tackle. He's up there in age and not like a special player anymore. You know, I would think that's the direction they want to go. It's a good culture slam dunk, maybe one of the safest picks in the draft. And again, too, if you wanted to get


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[Assistant] And if you wanted, oh, and Cannon's gone, so that's, I forgot about that too. So he's out of there. So you got that, and then...


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[Assistant] You know, two guys on the inside, Titus Howard, Sharping. You know, there's, there's some flexibility to play it out the first year. But I think Icky's the cleanest, he's the safest one. Run game, the film totality, like we talked about last week.


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[Assistant] His film is better than Evan Neal's. I gave Neal the advantage because of what we talked about. The pass protection I thought was off the charts. For a team that needs a whole bunch. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I don't expect that. No, this is still a process. I mean how, you know, yeaah, they did a lot of good things last year, building some depth on their football team. They got a base.


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[Assistant] And pretty good. Now I think they're trying to get into, let's finish it off and start getting some better players and some difference makers there. And I just think that's the one that makes the most sense for them at that position at number three. I mean, I don't envision them being a corner.


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[Assistant] Alright, just because like, hey, Lovey Smith from everything in his history, he doesn't believe in man-to-man shut down corners. That's not what he plays. He likes to play zone. He went to Tampa Bay and became the head coach and was like, why are we paying Darrell Rivas $75 trillion? I'm playing cover two. Okay, let's get him out of here. And that's what happened. Right? So I don't think he believes in that. The pass rusher thing.


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[Assistant] They're not horrible in the defense end department. Yeah, there's no superstar there, but I also go, I don't know if that's the philosophy of their football team either to think like Lovey Smith or even Nick Casario to go that route. So that's where I go O-line and I come to the logic of Icky.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're going defensive back. I don't think you could pass this up when you just talk about the player.


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[Assistant] And then you talk about, uhm, the need on the football team. And that's where, yeaah, going Sauce Gardener all the way. Out of Cincinnati. Out of Cincinnati. Sauce Gardener, I mean, what more can you say about the guy? The guy's, he's a phenomenal football player. You know, he's got attitude.


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[Assistant] There's just not a, like I said at the time, there's just not a lot of humans on earth that are, that are like him.


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[Assistant] You know, change directions the way he does, really competes. You could tell it means something to him. To me, he's that guy, he's that DB that not only can shut guys down, he fits what they want to do schematically and has some of those Richard Sherman, you know, measurables that fit that Seattle three so well.


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[Assistant] That was easy. Yeaah. He was, he's special. He's a special football player.


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[Assistant] We'll get to him later too. I know, I just feel like the Jets too, again with the board, the way it is right now.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't want to leave Sauce Gardener out there any longer. Like, if you're planning on waiting to 10 and you think you might get them, you're in trouble. Somebody's gonna steal them. Alright? And then, to me, again, yeaah, they need a pass rusher. I getcha.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of good ones in the drafts. You know, I think they have some good ones on their roster. And to me, again, what I would say is, man, just knowing that crew there, the jets from the 49ers.


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[Assistant] I just don't think that would be their cup of tea with the edge rusher guy anyways. To me, that's just not what they are. To me, again, it's a good player out there, we'll discuss that as we go here, but I don't think that's the kind of guy they want anyways.


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[Assistant] And I'm, this is where I'm going, Evan Neil, the best tackle in the draft. I don't think there's any doubt about that in my opinion, as far as pass protection is concerned. And, you know, again, there's a debt, they need to do something on the offensive line. I think it's too good to pass up right here.


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[Assistant] You know, to me it's Evan Neil, Charles Cross, both on the board. I'm gonna go with Evan Neil, he's a little bit more, he's more polished, he's a more sure thing than like you've heard me talk about. His ability to, to, uh, pass protect is, is good as it gets.


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[Assistant] And, you know, again, he's a road grader in the run game. And when he's on and doing things all the right way, I mean, he's, nobody blows people back more than...


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[Assistant] Uh, than Evan Neal in my opinion. So to me there's also great potential there to even get better and it was good already. I mean it really was. I just think you get that. Yes, you give Daniel Jones, Saquon Barkley a chance and I think it's just a desperate need and so can't miss pick here for them.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, I think him, Andrew Thomas, you know, and the rest of the crew that they could put there together, they could give the Giants, at least, and Daniel Jones a fighting chance and have some time to pass and throw the ball down the field a little bit this year.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I didn't, I didn't like, I didn't think, I wasn't going in as going, I'm gonna put my favorite player, I really didn't. I didn't do that. I'm gonna will it into existence. I was more of, uhm,


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[Assistant] I just, again, you heard what I said, I could see most of the NFL having Icky Iquanu as the number one guy. And I just think this, Houston will be infatuated with all those types of things, knowing that group in New England up there. Yeaah, they'll take him over at Evan Neal.


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[Assistant] Now here's where we get into the conversation again. Here we go to the quarterback thing. This is where we can start, right, and talk. You know, two things.


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[Assistant] The head, the coaching staff could not want to take a quarterback at six. I'm just, no way could they want to take one. Why would they want to take a quarterback and have to deal with that and their asses get fired and do all that? Cause this is a make or break year. It's a make or break year. So to me from that standpoint, let alone right there, just bam.


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[Assistant] How could you want to do that? And then, you know, I've heard out there that yes, this is certainly a thought in the organization too. That that's like, well, yeah, the coach doesn't want to do that. He doesn't. Now, I don't know if the owner can Trump him at this point, if he's going to like that. I don't think there's a quarterback there that's worth this year at pick number six. And like I talked about, you know, again, to me, the top two quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Which are, are, are Corral and Malik Willis, in my opinion. You're not gonna throw them out there next year and just expect them to hit the ground running and carry the team anyways.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, Kenny Pickett's the guy, but we talked about Kenny Pickett. Again, it doesn't, to me, it does not have anywhere near top 10 talent in the NFL draft type of thing. So that's where I'm going to go tackle Charles Cross from Mississippi State. Huge need for their football team. Again, their roster, when you look at it, is put together pretty well. It really is.


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[Assistant] I mean, across the board. It was a playoff defense last year, for most of the year. I know some people see, I hear see some people go, oh they might go pass rusher, and I wanna go, well, I mean,


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[Assistant] They got Brian Burns, who's one of the best passers-by of football, and they drafted Yudegros Matos in the second round. At some point, he's got to play and be the guy.


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[Assistant] And, and, and so that's where I just look at it and go, no. And then, hey, they had Cam Irving playing tackle for them last year. It was less than. This is a huge need for their football team. Cross a little raw, but big time talent. You know, big time talent. One of those guys that...


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[Assistant] You know, again, if it all goes right, maybe he's the best of the group when all's said and done, but I think they go tackle there all the way. You do see some people put crosses the best tackle. There's people in the NFL who believe that he's gonna be the best one when all's said and done. I don't.


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[Assistant] But yes, I know there is some teams out there that think he's the guy that maybe has the most potential.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, higher upside. There's real tangible elite trait with Justin Fields like we talked about at the time. But it didn't work out for Matt Nagy. No, it didn't work out for Matt Nagy. Again, why would you want to do that? And I think Matt Nagy played it almost in the


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[Assistant] The opposite. I think he looked at it like, wait, I made the playoffs twice. I think if I get this and show a little progress with this guy, they're all going to go, let's not upset the apple cart. Everything's going good with Justin Fields and that might save me another year. Give me another year of wiggle room. I really feel like that's why Chicago did it to a degree. It was almost the opposite.


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[Assistant] You know, there's no wiggle room here. Chicago had some wiggle room. I mean, yeah, they did. They went to the playoffs two out of three years. It wasn't because of the offense. We know that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so this is a little bit of a different story altogether, but yeaah, you're right, there is a team that we've seen do it, but they're actually not there anymore either. Alright, so no quarterback off the board and the top.


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[Assistant] This is where I'm going, Jermaine Johnson, the second Florida state. That's, this to me, again, the Giants need a pass rusher. They got plenty of big people in the middle of their defense. Dexter Lawrence, Leonard Williams, they're fine in that department.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's a corner on the board here that's worthy of taking. They still got Bradbury.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I look at that, you've addressed the offensive line. To me, it's now like, can we get somebody off the edge for Wink Martindale's defense? That could be a Matthew Don, Zedarius Smith.


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[Assistant] Type of guy on the edge. And that's where I just feel like Jermaine Johnson fits it perfectly. One, he's, you know, one of the most naturally gifted pass rushers in football. Two,


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[Assistant] The way he plays the runs, stand up linebackers, some of the things that he does on the football field, I think are just like,


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[Assistant] A Baltimore Ravens defensive guy is gonna go, oh, this is perfect for us. This is what we like.


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[Assistant] I talked to Jermaine Johnson last week. I mean, what he learned at Georgia is so much what he'll have to do with the Ravens, Giants type defense that he'll be playing in with. Holding people up and reading the plays and doing all that. And he's phenomenal at that, let alone we know he can rush the passer. So that to me was just easy and makes sense. You did talk to him. Yea.


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[Assistant] I do feel like there is, yes, I have enough feedback to know that


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think I'm going crazy here within this spot right here by putting him there. You know, again, yeah, where he falls mid first round, few picks later, I don't know, a few things change. Maybe that could change to where he drops down a little bit, but I don't see him falling too far. And I think part of the reason where you see him, where you're talking about too is the,


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[Assistant] Cave on Thibodeau effect. It's just nobody can get off the Rivals.com high school ranking and where he was ranked four years ago, so we just gotta keep him there. So that's where, to me, that, that, that is why I said to start this whole process up.


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[Assistant] Stingley and Thibodeau are going to be the ones I look at to be the changers in the draft with the quarterback and how things fall out.


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[Assistant] Man, we might be four picks too high on this one. That to me is nitpicking and you're stupid and then you're in danger of losing that guy if you want to trade down three or four spots or whatever. You're risking a lot there.


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[Assistant] I don't envision them going quarterback here. I don't. I don't see that happening.


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[Assistant] All right. Uhm, I am one that goes, ooh, man, Matt Corral makes a lot of sense for their football team, play action team, want to just throw aggressive lasers down the field. That's what he does. That's what he did. That's what he will always do. He fits that to me. Atlanta has so many needs on their football team. I just can't imagine them reaching for a quarterback here.


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[Assistant] That's the biggest thing. I have no feel for what Atlanta's gonna do at eight. None. I have no idea. Just to let you know. I know people have put receiver out there. That's part of the thing. Uh, again, there's,


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[Assistant] One guy I would take maybe at number 8 at receiver, alright, and that's Jameson Williams. It's the only guy I would take. Alright, but he is as an ACL injury. They're not going to be able to depend on him early in the year at least. So maybe they could go there. I know there's a real need at that position. I get that.


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[Assistant] But ultimately, I'm going Jordan Davis from Georgia. Defensive tackle. Defensive tackle. As I've told you, this is a freak in nature. It's one of the freakiest guys in the draft.


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[Assistant] To me, you want to set a culture and a safe pick, you know, and start accumulating some players and a team and start building something, a nucleus. Jordan Davis makes a lot of sense to me. I think he's phenomenal. Like I said, Vita Veja was what, picked 12 a few years ago in the draft. I think he's better than Vita Veja.


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[Assistant] He's a freak. Jermaine Johnson. I talked to him. I go, Oh, who's the freakiest guy at Georgia? They were, Oh, well it's gotta be Jordan Davis. Oh, so just the film.


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[Assistant] What they need, Dean Pease, they're playing a defense that needs big people in the middle, they don't have that. Grady Jarrett's a smaller, you know, disruptive type of guy.


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[Assistant] They don't have a guy that can take on double teams and overpower people and push the pocket.


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[Assistant] I love Jordan Davis. So that's where I'm going there. Uh, I think it's a huge need for their football team. I don't see offensive line matching up here at this pick or anything like that. Like I talked about the receiver, quarterback, certainly a conversation. Uh, but this is one I got no feel for and I'm going to kind of go off of.


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[Assistant] My board, what I think, and I'm going Jordan Davis.


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[Assistant] Connection with Seattle and Oregon. I don't know what the connection is. Proximity. Ed Orgeron and Pete Carroll have a relationship.


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[Assistant] Alright, so there's Derek Stingley. They could use a corner. They could use a pass rusher.


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[Assistant] They could use a lot of things as we've discussed. I mean Seattle's got a lot of needs on their roster. They really do. So here's one where again,


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[Assistant] I understand, this is the first place I look at to go, this could be Cave on Tibbetto, this could be Stingley. I wouldn't do it, there's no doubt about it, but if you're thinking about making a mock bet, betting on points bet, or mock draft and doing a points bet,


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[Assistant] Perfect 10 type of thing that we'll talk about here in a minute. Alright? Then maybe you want to think about Thibodeau or Stingley. I'm going Devonte Wyatt from Georgia.


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[Assistant] That's where I'm gonna go. The other defensive tackle. The other defensive tackle. The other guy. The guy that fits what they want to do up there in Seattle. The guy that's extremely disruptive. Can be, you know, a Michael Bennett, the play up type of force for their defense. Uh, you know, again, they, they got, they have some guys that


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[Assistant] Alright. Some guys I think you could depend on. And then, you know, some of them, LJ Collier, you know, they got, uh, I mean, let me pull up their roster. Uhm, the kid, uh, Taylor, they drafted from Tennessee a few years ago to where I came to it and went,


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[Assistant] Listen, I know they can use a password, sure, I understand that, but felt like it was not


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[Assistant] Desperate, desperate, alright. I understand the corner thing.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't take any of the corners there. I would not take Derek Stingley there for the reasons that everybody's heard me say. I understand that some people in football love him and I get it. I see it.


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[Assistant] They love the feet, they love the hips, it's amazing. They love 2019. They love 2019, and to me, Chris Sims just can't get behind, wait, film was good three years ago, it got worse two years after that. I can't get behind, I just can't. So, that's where it bothers me. But here, LJ Collier, Rasheem Green, Alton Robinson, Darrell Taylor.


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[Assistant] Again, not guys that you're going to look at and go, oh man, they're unbelievable football players. And I'm going to go, no, they're damn good players. They're damn good. All right. Defensive tackle. They got some size guys. Poon of Ford, Brian Moan, Quinton Jefferson's there.


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[Assistant] They got Kandichi, yea Shelby Harris a little bit, Shelby Harris they got from the Denver trade, but to me no like guy that can just


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[Assistant] It's, it's really amazing. It's the greatest defense in college football, that's for sure, right? And I think legitimately,


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[Assistant] I mean, you look at, hey, N'Kobe Dean, I think Quay Walker, of course, who I think is better than N'Kobe Dean, Lewis Sine, the safety scene, sorry, I always mess him up. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if all three of those went. You know, they'll be dicey, there's an end of the first round type of guys, but it wouldn't be shocking.


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[Assistant] It's receiver, it's receiver, it's receiver, it's receiver. Who's it going to be? I don't know. Jameson Williamson is the best receiver in the draft.


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[Assistant] I don't think really anybody in football disagrees with that. Not that I know of. I really haven't talked to one person that goes, Jameson Williams is the best. The receiver out of Alabama. ACL injury. Exactly. ACL injury, you know, uh, late in the year in the national championship game.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm having them take him. I am. I'm going Jameson Williams here. Again, the play is not about what he can do for a year. What could he do for me in week three of this year?


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[Assistant] What can he do for you in week 13 this year and next year in week 3 and then the year after that? That's what we're looking at to like maximize the guy, right? So I just look at that and go, the guy's too talented, you know.


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[Assistant] He's a real, in my opinion, difference maker. I think he's every bit as good as Devontae Smith last year. In fact, I might think he's better as the time went on.


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[Assistant] I really think as the draft process went on and the more I saw him and stuff, I went, I think I like him more than Devontae Smith last year.


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[Assistant] To me, it just, they're not desperate at receiver. It's not like, oh my gosh, we gotta have, like, it's not a Green Bay situation. This is one where you just go, man, we just want one more guy and we're gonna be really dangerous with our biggest investment, with our quarterback.


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[Assistant] And let's do it. And that's where I'm going to go that. Drake London, would he be in this conversation? I could certainly see him being there. He's very high in the NFL circles because of the size and the route running. You know, he scares me a little with the speed like we talked about.


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[Assistant] I think he could be a guy maybe in the running for this pick here too. But if I'm the Jets, I'm going Jamison Williams.


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[Assistant] I'm liking them a lot. I'm liking them a lot. I know that I already do like the Jets. I can't help not like the Jets. I'm that weird Giants fan that actually likes the Jets too. Because of, yes, the quarterback and the people that work there. You know, again, I'm sorry, I'm a human. You know, I've known some of them for a long time and I believe in them and they're good people so I root for the Jets.


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[Assistant] The points bet, perfect 10 presented by yours truly.


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[Assistant] Chris Sims, yes, that jerk, Chris Sims, is presenting this to you.


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[Assistant] Why Perfect 10 you ask? Because that's exactly what you'll need to be perfect.


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[Assistant] Okay. And selecting picks one through 10 on Thursday night. And if you're perfect, you can win a hundred thousand dollars and free bets from points bet. And I mean, damn, if you're perfect, I'm going to call you next week and tell you you're perfect too. I'm going to add that on top of the prize. Okay. Right.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna be like, yeah, we're gonna have you on the pod, actually. If you're perfect, and you win $100,000, we're gonna have you on the pod, and call you a genius, and then also, like, tell you, let's rub it in on points bet, and you stole $100,000 from them, let's rub it in, what are we gonna spend it on, I wanna know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we got rewind. Alright, we all got rewind. From there, place 10 bets with the stake, with the stake of your choosing. Alright, it can be as low as 50 cents, alright? Alright, 50 cent, don't be in the club. You'll need to place exactly one


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[Assistant] Get up, watch pro football talk at 7am, and as you're doing that, get in your Perfect 10, send it in, and then sit back, relax, and wait to see if you'll be $100,000 richer and friends with Chris Sims and Ahmed Farid. Exactly, you'll be on the pot of recurring guests.


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[Assistant] That does not roll off the tongue. It does not. It really does not. I know. It's weird. And I think this one to me was one of the easiest picks of the draft. I think when it just all laid out there to me. Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame. You look at Washington, their roster, what they got there.


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[Assistant] They got, they don't have enough numbers at the safety position. There's a real need, I think, within not only numbers, but the player himself. And, you know, the thing that you love about Hamilton is he can really fit, kind of,


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[Assistant] Two, three holes in one. Yeaah, it's safety. Ooh, smaller linebacker, bigger safety who can play over the slot. Almost like Jeremiah Owusu-Koromoa in Cleveland last year where he can go.


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[Assistant] We can kind of be like, leave him there and never really change and match up with everything. Oh, they got a small slot receiver. Kyle Hamilton's fine. Oh, they got a tie down there. Kyle Hamilton's fine. Oh, they're running the ball over there. Kyle Hamilton's fine.


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[Assistant] That's where he's great to me. And to me, there's a real need for this with the Washington football team. He's, he's like another guy that I just look at and go as safe as it gets in the NFL draft. Again, there's no bus factor with this kid at all. Even with that slow 40 time? I know. 4-5-9, 6-4 guy.


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[Assistant] I think that's too high for me, certainly. Is there a team there in the top ten that really likes him sitting there? I don't know. I mean, he's worthy of that type of pick.


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[Assistant] I think the slide ends for Cave on Thibodeau. This is where I'm going to go. Minnesota Vikings, Cave on Thibodeau, off the edge.


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[Assistant] Alright, you're coming, we're talking about a defense that's going 3-4.


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[Assistant] Outside linebacker type. Okay, now it's third down. We need you to put your hand on the ground and rush the passer. Just to me makes too much sense here. So, there's a real need. I think without a doubt, you know, again, Daniel Hunter, I know he's there as well.


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[Assistant] Gotta be a little concerned with some of the medical issues he's had to deal with the last few years.


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[Assistant] Alright, with the two de-tackles I have off the board already, you know, I don't think there's a value to go there. To me, they are one of those teams I looked at at those positions and I just went, you know, de-tackle, they got a little depth in some players there where I think you're gonna have more of a desperate need.


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[Assistant] To go the pass rusher, difference maker type that way. And to me, it's been an issue for their football team. I know corner's another issue that we certainly could talk about with the Minnesota Vikings.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was because I think if it was my draft, right, I'd go, yeah, I mean, really, my draft, I don't think he's someone you take anywhere before 20.


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[Assistant] I understand though that I know there's people in football that think he's better than that.


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[Assistant] You know, so again, that's where I'm, I'm not going to be unrealistic here and just be stubborn Chris Sims and like, I try to do this with some common sense logic and things. I, yeah, I'm lower on most. I know, uh, I know there's people that do agree with me, but I know there's other people that look at it and go, no, I see enough there to think he's worthy of that pick.


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[Assistant] Now we get into like the range of like, okay, where, where are we going to go here if you're, you know, the Houston Texans. And again, yeah, we, we got the old lineman. I got to look at defense here now as being the next thing that you got to address on this football team.


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[Assistant] You know, there's some guys on the board, like Carl Aftis, who's a really good football player, who I thought about a little bit, like, oh man, would they like him? I don't know. I just looked at that and go, I don't really think that's like love you Smith's cup of tea. To me, the guy and the thing that I look at with their football team that I go is missing and it pops out to me is like a longer, big time defensive


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[Assistant] Middle linebacker in the middle of their defense. One, hey, I know Casario. They believe in size and middle linebacker in that presence. Oops, excuse me. And then Lovey Smith. Yeah. I mean, when he was the head coach of the Bears, I played against him. Guess who was running down the middle of the field? That Tampa two defense. Yeah. Brian Urlacher. And that's where I'm going to go with Devin Lloyd from Utah.


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[Assistant] Devin Lloyd from Utah, slam dunk, definitely the best linebacker in the draft. He's...


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[Assistant] He's got very good, you know, hips, length, athleticism. He's awesome against the run. Anybody listen to the linebacker pod? I mean his ability to get people, throw people to the ground, get off blocks, weave through traffic, still make tackles.


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[Assistant] And then again, being that long and athletic down the middle of the field to me is a real weapon. Uh, I, I think that's a real need for their football team. I think this is a really good football player to me. It just matched up, but I don't have feel for this one. I don't, I don't sit here and go, Oh, I'm hearing this. I mean, the Texans are one of those teams when I got down here to go, Ooh, I'm not really sure what the hell they'll do right here.


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[Assistant] They might try to trade back. They could trade back. I mean, there's been a lot of talk that hearing that the Texans could trade back or want to trade back.


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[Assistant] So, you know, maybe they get some team that's getting antsy about a wide receiver or something like that.


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[Assistant] And they do that, maybe they go the wide receiver. That was the other thing that kinda went to my brain too. I just put it like, is this a team that goes Drake London? Maybe? And decides to do that?


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[Assistant] Again, I could see that being a possibility with that size, that route running ability, all of that. Nice little compliment to Brandon Cooks and Davis Mills, who's, you know, a good back ball, throw it up type of player, quarterback. Uh, so that certainly went through my brain too.


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[Assistant] I know, I mean, I don't think so. I'm not gonna lie to you though, the receiver thing, like, came to my mind a little bit. Did it really? It did.


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[Assistant] I don't, I, I, so, but I, it did cross my brain, nonetheless. Alright, ultimately, you know, I got into like, I got into the D-line conversation here.


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[Assistant] With Baltimore. That to me is where my brain kept going with this whole thing. And at the end of the day, I ended up going George Carlathus, the edge rusher from Purdue. Just Baltimore guy. And then Mike McDonald, right? I'm saying his name right? The new defense coordinator for the Ravens. He came from Michigan.


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[Assistant] He's gonna have a good look at this guy, the Big Ten. So those are kind of the dots I connected a little bit there with that one. Did I think about maybe going detackle to a degree? Yes.


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[Assistant] Carlaptus can kind of do that a little bit. Carlaptus can do everything. So where, that's where, again, if you're going to run a multiple defense, he's a stand up outside linebacker, pass rusher, but yes, to your point, has the power to go like, hey, on third down, you can put him at defensive tackle and he'll be a handful and hold it, you know, give them issues. So yeah, there is that. I did think about de-tackle too. I did.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, Klaas Campbell, it's up there. To me, the biggest, you know, Justin Madubike from A&M is really like their most disruptive defense alignment. I could see them going that way. I just didn't know if it matched up for who's on the board and what happens there.


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[Assistant] Devonte Wyatt falls to that? Maybe they go to Devonte Wyatt from Georgia.


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[Assistant] I thought about even Travis Jones from Connecticut.


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[Assistant] The big D tackle, space eater type of guy. I thought about that as well, but ultimately I just looked at it and went, wait.


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[Assistant] You know, they got Tyus Bowers, he's a good player. You know, but...


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[Assistant] They got away. Man, you got a guy like Carl Aftis on the other outside there. You become a really pain in the butt, good defensive football team. And that's where I decided to go. They got Jalen Ferguson, Taya Spouser. They're not bad players here too. So I'm just giving you a, I, I, this was a tough one for me to figure out a little bit about where to go exactly with Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Charles Rogers, yeah, you guys went, let's see, how did that go? Charles Rogers first, Roy Williams second, and then Mike Williams, and then Mike Williams third, right? I've tried to


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[Assistant] Yeah, right, right. Roy ended up being the best one, really. He was good, yeah. Roy, I mean, he went to a Pro Bowl up there, did some things there.


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[Assistant] Yes, with this pick, here I look at, I look at them as a team and go, first off with the Eagles and go, they got, you know, I thought about here, oh wait, pass rusher, could this be a thing for them? Alright, well they got some players as pass rusher, they just signed with Sasan Reddick. You know, I know, like I saw a lot of mock drafts that got like, them taking edge guys, and I'm gonna go, I just don't think it's that desperate of a need.


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[Assistant] And with the guys I have up the board, I don't think there's anybody worthy taking of there. So that's where I don't look at it more than anything. You know, they just signed Sweatt. They still got, you know, Barnett. They still got Graham. Uh, they got Hasan Reddick.


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[Assistant] So that to me, it just didn't make sense. All right. So that's where I'm going Drake London, wide receiver USC.


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[Assistant] That's what I would do. At least I know Garrett Wilson's on the board, Olavi's on the board.


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[Assistant] Davante Smith's those guys. They're just better versions in my opinion.


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[Assistant] So, and Devontae Smith was really good last year. Like, don't get it mixed up. I know I said those things about Jamison Williams and all that. He's a really good player. Like, I love Devontae Smith.


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[Assistant] But, so you got to Bondi Smith, who's the speed guy, and, you know,


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[Assistant] Can take the top off in a good route runner. To me, now we need another type of guy to go along with it. And that's where I like, I wouldn't go Garrett Wilson of them. It's like, he's just a lesser version of Devontae Smith to me. Let's, let's bring another angle to the defense here that they got to defend.


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[Assistant] Something else they gotta worry about. And this is where I went, I was thinking, ooh, Berks, Trayvon Berks, ooh, Drake London. I went London, just from this aspect of...


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[Assistant] A good big body receiver thrower. He throws a nice jump ball, soft back shoulders. We talked a lot during the season how he throws deep balls and he gives his guy a chance and he's very good at throwing the deep ball. And Drake Lund is just made for that to me. And that's what he is.


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[Assistant] You know, speed scares me a little, like I talked about, but his ability to run routes and his size are real, and they're elite.


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[Assistant] And that's where I'm just gonna go with him over there, where I, like I said, I toyed around with the idea of Traylon Burks, cause I think too,


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[Assistant] He's different than Devontae Smith, too. Boy, we got the route runner to speed guy. Now we got the guy that we can give a speed sweep to and throw a screen to and sneak him out of the backfield behind the ball and throw him the ball and he'll make four people miss and outrun people and do all that. There's a little more physical of an element with London and train on Berks. That makes sense. Uh, but I'm ultimately going with Drake London.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's just where I'm going offensive line here. I'm going Bernard Raymond, um, from central Michigan here as the tackle. Right. I think a lot of people think like, you know, again, I think it's a real need for this football team. We know that they're a team like.


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[Assistant] Here's the first thing I want to say about the Saints. I don't think Saints are going quarterback.


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[Assistant] And I know a lot of people think, oh, this is maybe where Kenny Pickett's gonna go. I don't. I am one that believes the saints think they're really good.


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[Assistant] The Saints think they're a player in the NFC right now, with the way it's set up. And they should. Well, why wouldn't they, right? You think about it and you go, Saints? I mean, the Los James Winston last year, they still almost made the playoffs, they had a bunch of injuries with their team.


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[Assistant] And they're probably looking at it and go, the NFC? There's only four teams in the NFC.


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[Assistant] We're clearly like maybe five, so let's go for it.


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[Assistant] I've got the sense from people around the league and people I know that, yes, they're not in do-like.


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[Assistant] Let's start over with the young quarterback. They think they can still be a real player. And that's to me, a guy, here we go. We need a guy that can play right away, help the football team.


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[Assistant] I like Bernard Raymond a lot. I know a lot of people think, had the Penning kid I saw. You know, it was the next tackle off the board. To me, this was the next best one. There was a little more of a physical element to his game that I liked more than Penning. I got Bernard Raymond off the board here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, D-Line is really good still. O-Line, yeah, they just gotta replace a few people and maybe look to the future because they got some guys that, you know, will be out of there soon a little bit. So they got that. And of course we know wide receivers, another position that they certainly could address at some point here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Chargers, uh, you know, again, had a very good year in free agency. I think that's the first thing we could talk about. Shored up their defense. They did. I mean, they definitely did. They made some moves there for sure. You know, added the corner, added another big time edge guy. And I say, you gotta be excited about that. You know, there was somebody else I wanted to bring up too that they added that I, uh, can't remember who it was.


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[Assistant] Here's like with them, what they did in free agency, and then I think like, you know, where they are as a team and you look at their roster, I just felt like it made too much sense for me here to go, wait,


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[Assistant] They're still got issues. I know they got Christian Covington and Austin Johnson as defensive tackles. They were horrible at stopping the run last year. And...


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[Assistant] You know, those guys are like one-year band-aid guys. Like, they're just like, hey, you're up there in years. Yep. And then I know Pete's getting my ear with Sebastian Joseph Day. Sebastian Joseph Day, no, he's a guy that's more than a one-year band-aid guy, but not a, again,


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[Assistant] I, Staley and his history and where he's been, they need a real, real big guy difference maker.


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[Assistant] And Joseph Day is a little bit more of a disruptor speed guy, does some of that. He can do some of the, you know, two gap and all that, but that's not his cup of tea. And that's where I'm going to go. The kid from Connecticut, Travis Jones here.


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[Assistant] Travis Jones is, you know, a phenomenal football player. I mean, he really is. He's a big time talent.


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[Assistant] You know, I talked to you, I think he's arguably maybe the best two-gapper in the draft as far as ability just to hold people, read the play, get the guy off them, make a tackle, whatever. He's amazing that way. So I looked at them and go, I don't think there's really a need at wide receiver. I mean, they're good there. All right. O-line, you know, they're, I thought about it a little bit. I'm not going to lie. Um,


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[Assistant] You know, they, they, but I just didn't, I, I, you know, O line, you know, here's my O line. This is what I want to get to. I was going, wait, who's, who am I missing? Pippins did good enough last year to me. Trey Pippins? Yes. That.


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[Assistant] I think they're gonna stay with him. He played good enough at the right tackle position.


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[Assistant] To where I go, I don't think it matches. You know, I'm not in love with Penning, who's really the next guy up. So Trey Pipkin's the third. I feel kind of going away and go, I think they're going to stay with him.


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[Assistant] You know, they got the interior O line kind of fixed a little bit. And that's where I went back to the defensive side of the ball and I said, Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] Now the Chargers got some damn defense with this guy. You had Travis Jones to the mix. Got it. So Travis Jones out of Yukon, their best player for quite some time. I couldn't think for a second there. I got, I've had two mistakes in my brain so far that have bothered me. I was there for a second going, wait, am I forgetting something about tackle with this football team?


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[Assistant] So that's why I didn't go tackle because I know a lot of people think that could be a direction they go. You know, so that, that, uh, that was my reasoning for that.


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[Assistant] This is, to me, is the number one glaring need on their football team, and that's where I'm gonna give them Trent McDuffie from Washington. Would be good value. Oh, I love McDuffie. McDuffie is, I mean, the film is really clean. He's phenomenal in all areas. There's no really weakness to the player at all, overall. You know, the only thing that I worry about with him at all is, you know me, I just wish there was a


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[Assistant] 20. Man, I'd like him to be in the 4-3. I'm not gonna j- I'm not gonna lie. I really do.