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[Assistant] Fairtech seems to have very closely evolved with this. Oh baby, look at this.


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[Assistant] Okay, so we had a big downpour of rain. We're resuming on our last topic.


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[Assistant] But I got a new shirt on. I had to put a dry shirt on. I have a light gray, diesel alloy to go with the dark gray.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the one I have, but I had to change my shirt. Basically I only wear


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[Assistant] Thank you, baby. Filling in the details. That's what I like.


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[Assistant] Okay, so we were just talking about one championship, Fairtex, this promotion bringing MMA into Lumpini Stadium, but as I was sitting there, I don't know, we were taking like an hour break, 45 minutes.


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[Assistant] There was something I wanted to return to about Sané.


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[Assistant] If you're jumping in at this point, go back and listen to, uhm, the story of the turtle and the dragon. But this thing about Senne and Charm,


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[Assistant] Is about a kind of magic. It has, it's, it's when someone has a magical quality or powerful...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it literally, concepts of Thai power.


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[Assistant] And this is the reason why I thought you'd find it a little bit interesting is we were just talking about that in the older aspects of Thai culture, women are thought to have a sexual power.


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[Assistant] Basically that the behavior of men


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[Assistant] Is thought to be somewhat excusable if they become overwhelmingly attracted to someone.


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[Assistant] Which goes very much into, and we're not going to go into it too much, but Western women, when they come to Thailand, the actual laws of rape and sexual violence are conditioned by this assumption that women can put you into a state


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[Assistant] Where you no longer have full control over yourself.


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[Assistant] And the reason why I bring this up is that if you're trying to build


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[Assistant] Sanai as a female fighter, but you want a kind of masculine Sanai or charm. The reason why women have to castrate their sexuality is that their charm in the culture is seen like as dangerous, not part of the kai moi.


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[Assistant] Like the powers of female allurement are perceived kind of almost in like a 1950s America kind of way.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, although sometimes they try to sell that too. There have been Thai fighters that have been kind of soot-soi-mooi-tai.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, that was just a side note. I find this fascinating. Concepts of charm and magnetism in a culture, and even in Western culture, the antecedents of our concepts of charm and magnetism.


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[Assistant] This bringing of MMA into Lumpini that Fairtex is announcing, I think their first fight is going to be in January.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't clear if MMA was going to be on that card. They're making this promotion.


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[Assistant] So, this is in the forefront of this internationalization of Muay Thai that involves a kind of entertainment Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Distortion or reinvention of Muay Thai for popularity sake. We talked about it part of the like commercial gym culture in Phuket. This is part of this huge wave that's coming through. For me, for some reason,


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[Assistant] It crossed a line. And I'm not against MMA.


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[Assistant] I actually find, you interviewed Itty in 2016, this kid that we, who was like the son of the landlord or something, Ty, who was like way into MMA and was an MMA, a proto-MMA fighter back in 2016 in a totally undeveloped scene. I love the like, burgeoning MMA, Ty,


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[Assistant] Young Thais being attracted to MMA instead of its opposite traditional Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] But, there is something, there was something about the inclusion of MMA into Lampini Stadium that crossed a line in my brain. Which was not the same line, or not the same thing as these inclusion of these low skill level three round fights that are currently happening in Lampini Stadium.


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[Assistant] As to someone taking a position, that entertainment Muay Thai isn't even Muay Thai. Like, when you make it so Thai fighters cannot do what they do really well, which is fight backwards, counter-fight, protect leads, like, that's a big part of what the skill level of Muay Thai is. And you basically turn Muay Thai into a kind of clashy event.


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[Assistant] That's readable by people who don't understand it, right?


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[Assistant] When you take, when I take that position, I get this feeling like, people are like, oh, quit being so pretentious, so like, traditionalist, purist, like whatever, these kind of like, ideas about people who are protecting the shape of Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] So when entertainment-esque three round fights get into Limpini, which was, is, women would not be in Limpini without this change, right?


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[Assistant] I feel like it's harder to defend the idea that


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[Assistant] Entertainment Muay Thai is not Muay Thai. Like, I have to do some work. I have to point some things out. The ways in which. When MMA is in Lampini Stadium, there are no theoretical position I have to take.


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[Assistant] Actually, the history of boxing at Lumpini is a very long history that was King supported and actually the relationship between


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[Assistant] Well, if you look at the actual history of the modernization of Muay Thai,


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[Assistant] Muay Thai modernized in 1920 to become more like boxing. And the original, like, king's patronage of the modernization of Muay Thai, the first, uh, permanent ring in Bangkok was a boxing and Muay Thai ring.


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[Assistant] Muay Thai and boxing have run in parallel for the 1920s, including the whole history of Lumpini Stadium. Now there's no boxing there, but boxing was...


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[Assistant] A brother to Muay Thai for decades and influence, uh, I'm sorry to, uhm,


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[Assistant] You make a good point. Muay Thai always has been a kind of mixed martial art. Even its grappling was probably influenced by Judo in the early 1900s as Judo became an internationalized, rationalized sport coming out of Japan.


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[Assistant] For sure, but this is the thing. Muay Thai is ailing, like let's say traditional Muay Thai is ailing. Khai Moi Muay Thai is ailing in Thailand.


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[Assistant] One of the things, one of the stakes in the ground, which is what I'll call the gold standard, which was literally the stamp of the king almost, which kept Muay Thai fastened, was Lempini.


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[Assistant] I honestly didn't think it even deserved that place anymore once it moved. It had changed so much already. But there still was a stake in the ground.


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[Assistant] And so it's ability to weather other sports and other formats and things because it's not strong now.


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[Assistant] That stake in the ground got pulled up. And for some reason, three round fights are... Okay. I understand what you're doing. You're trying to make this.


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[Assistant] Friendly and a mixed promotion or whatever. When you bring MMA into the Lumpini Stadium and you're still calling it Lumpini Stadium, it's like, it's too far.


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[Assistant] Then, which you also brought up, this is not going to be high level MMA.


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[Assistant] For people who really love MMA, one championship, which is the Alt UFC, isn't high level MMA. Maybe


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[Assistant] But we're basically talking that if MMA is going to be regularly part of these promotions, we're talking low skill level. So not only are you bringing in the other art, the other sport, you know an already ailing


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[Assistant] I'm assuming that Fairtex is just gonna use it to promote their fighters.


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[Assistant] And I'm not even saying I'm against this happening. I'm not saying this should not happen. I'm not that kind of person. I'm like, in that this is happening, something has become unmoored.


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[Assistant] And we have no idea how far this is going to ripple out. This could have a huge counter reaction. It could be a positive in a way. If, for instance, Thais see shitty MMA at Lampini and are like, what are you doing to our great arena?


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[Assistant] And there might be a whole move, counter move towards traditional Muay Thai elsewhere.


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[Assistant] Yesterday, not to be hard on it or anything, but I watched the GoSport promotion, the new Lumpini promotion, and then later in the night we watched, uh, Boy Hardcore.


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[Assistant] I have to say, even though the rule sets were not the same between the two, I felt like I was watching the same thing.


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[Assistant] Lots of emphasis, I don't, there was a vibration that moved between these two things.


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[Assistant] Well, they're trying to like, bridge between channel 8 and...


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[Assistant] Traditional Muay Thai. They are putting on 5 round fights that are scored. You know, they're not yet using an entertainment Muay Thai scoring.


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[Assistant] As far as we understand, a scoring thing, but there is a vibration, it's with the lights and the emphasis on presentation.


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[Assistant] Like, I mean, there's a lot of sizzle and not a lot of steak. That's an analogy.


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[Assistant] You probably could, but you shouldn't make a whole promotion out of it like a regular thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hear what you're saying. To me, the music industry is so chaotic and crazy.


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[Assistant] Well, there's another thing here, which is the skill level on these shows is very low. Like, it's probably actually below Channel 8 fights.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the skill level is very low. If you want to kill all gambling in Muay Thai, it's very easy. Put on fights nobody cares to gamble on. Like you keep every, there's a reason why the max fights were not gambling based. That this is not actually competitive.


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[Assistant] Which is meant for kind of wide screen audiences and also touristic bringing in, busing in people who don't even understand the sport. You're like...


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[Assistant] Yes, you can take all gambling out, but then there's no, it's because people don't care.


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[Assistant] And I just feel like bringing in low or mid level MMA skill.


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[Assistant] Into Limpini? I feel like ties are going to look at it and be like, uh?


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[Assistant] The line was crossed, and I understand everything is morphing, lines are gonna be crossed, but personally for me, I asked you the other day, I'm like, two years ago, if someone said, women will be allowed to fight in Limpini, but the cost is...


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[Assistant] MMA also is in Limpini. Would you have accepted it? Women fighting in Limpini has been a huge dream of yours. Not for you personally only.


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[Assistant] The change of Muay Thai and integration of women. And I'm like, would you accept that bargain? And you were like, no.


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[Assistant] Well why is that? Because three round fights is yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the only reason why she did that is because she's fought probably 200 five round arc fights. She has the skill that came from


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[Assistant] Being a traditional Muay Thai fighter, and she actually fought a huge number of them against really big western fighters, because she was a Phuket fighter. But the thing is, is like, now...


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[Assistant] If she was coming up, she would never have that skill.


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[Assistant] I'm saying even if that's great and they're like, the greatest striker on the planet, that's how they do it. They bullshit. They turn their female hype machine on and it's like this unbelievable off the charts description of their female stars.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yes, but I'm like, we're living in crazy land.


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[Assistant] That's not what we need, but I guess we can't be choosy either.


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[Assistant] Because history is rolling, I just think once the stake in the ground has been pulled, and obviously,


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[Assistant] We didn't know how Lumpini is going to unfold, and we still don't know. Like you were saying that Big Dang was like...


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[Assistant] We're gonna have, once a month, a big card.


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[Assistant] A big card has to be famous Thai fighters fighting in the Thai, under Thai rules.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but there's not going to be no gambling, there's just going to be no, the impression of no gambling in the stadium, all the online gambling is going to go off the charts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, also COVID, every fight is now against uhm, with no audience. It's not like a new thing. It's gonna be in the context of all the...


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[Assistant] All the COVID changes. There's another aspect. What time are we on, maybe?


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[Assistant] There's another aspect of MMA which you mentioned, which is Arjun Surat.


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[Assistant] We were filming for the Muay Thai library, Arjun Sarat, who's the coach of the Thai national team. He's very like, hard-nosed.


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[Assistant] Clint Eastwood's rugged persona speaks his mind.


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[Assistant] This is at the end of the first session we've done with him. There's two in the Muay Thai library, but he's talking about three round fights and how much he doesn't really like them at all.


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[Assistant] There was an actual struggle within the Thai government whether MMA


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[Assistant] Somehow flexed muscle in the Thai government and got permission to put on a...


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[Assistant] A rock concert slash MMA, uhm, promotion in Bangkok.


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[Assistant] 2016. And they might even be thinking about doing this again. But there was a struggle in Thailand.


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[Assistant] And Arjan Sarai, we were talking to him, and he was like, the three-hour fights are so bad because there's no timing. He's like, no timing, no timing, everything is just smash, smash, smash. And there's no timing because you are not allowed to retreat. You cannot counter-fight.


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[Assistant] He was like, this is against the spirit of Muay Thai, and he says that Muay Thai is a gentleman's sport. One of the most interesting things about Muay Thai is its reputation for brutality and bloodiness, but also self-control.


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[Assistant] That, that fighters are celebrated by this line they walk between violence and repose.


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[Assistant] And that's one reason why pure aggression is not celebrated in Muay Thai. It's seen as being out of control.


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[Assistant] These things go deep into the very culture, the Buddhist culture of Thailand, and give, have given Muay Thai its character and its value within the culture.


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[Assistant] It's Thai-ness. Now I understand that youth of today probably is rebelling against the traditional values of Thai culture, but


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[Assistant] As these sports start to present themselves as aggression sports. And so, I remember in that conversation, I actually went back and looked at it and see what he had to say. He was like a gentleman's sport and then he mimed standing over someone and punching them while they're on the ground.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so he was like, they're closing this down, and he was linking that to, the reason is, is this is linked to MMA, which is not gentlemanly.


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[Assistant] And he was like, to him, he was like, if someone's on the ground and you're just punching their face, this is in complete violation of what Muay Thai is.


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[Assistant] There's no, there's no cultural heritage that's being protected by making MMA illegal in America.


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[Assistant] If it's high level, and I understand the fighters and everything, to me it's an interesting fighting sport to watch. But...


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[Assistant] What you are bringing in is the embodiment of certain principles from which entertainment muay thai is borrowed, like the clashy kind of


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[Assistant] By bringing that to Limpini Stadium, you've basically said, all bets are off.


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[Assistant] We're no longer in the land of Muay Thai anymore. And they've said they want to have martial arts of all kinds. When they say martial arts of all kinds, they probably just mean MMA, right? And so there's this kind of like, I don't know, it's like,


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[Assistant] It's just that it was Limpini Stadium. Feels very like a degree of difference than all the other changes.


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[Assistant] Well that's, that's the point is, it's no longer Limpini and in a way Muay Thai lost it's gold standard.


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[Assistant] I'm not actually worried about Lumpini itself. I'm like, I'm worried about the Muay Thai of Thailand. Where is its gold standard coming from? Because that stake has been pulled out of the ground. It was already probably out, but this is kind of like definitionally out. It is no longer


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[Assistant] Stabilizing the imprint of what authentic multi currency is.


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[Assistant] Its name now is in line with a different currency.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just... MMA might not even be the limit of that. Maybe it's two men versus one man fights.


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[Assistant] Do you know what I mean? Or two women versus one man. Or three midgets. Like at what point does it, are we just like completely off the map?


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[Assistant] It's, that's the thing is, now it's, it's like this is now the path.


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[Assistant] of the name in a weird way. I joked about it, or half joked about it, that there was a time, it kind of got out about five years ago, maybe a little bit longer, that


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[Assistant] Westerners could come and fight at Lampini Stadium, even their first or second or third fight ever, because there was this kind of adventure tourism


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[Assistant] But these are not skilled fighters and there were no ties watching, there were no gambling because these are not, this is a matinee kind of thing and it was...


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[Assistant] And before this came out, fighting on Lumpini was like the great hallowed thing, right?


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[Assistant] Then this came out that actually people, I think it was Muay Thai scholar who had, he was like, people just asked me if I wanted to fight an Olympian, they didn't even know if I could fight, they just asked me if I wanted to. We saw him at the gym. And he wrote an article about this, it was actually kind of groundbreaking.


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[Assistant] So that came out, but what is really weird is that that undercard experience has now been, become the foundation, kind of, of Lumpini itself.


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[Assistant] You cannot put the integrity of wins and losses in the hands of people who are not.


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[Assistant] In the stadium, like, people basically can call in wins and losses.


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[Assistant] But, gambling also is inherent in the interest in glue that holds together competitive fighting.


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[Assistant] There are two separate worlds, and if you just treat the whole thing as a terrible thing, you're gonna basically un-more competitiveness itself.


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[Assistant] It then just becomes, who can make a more eyeball show?


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[Assistant] I mean I'm also a forward, I'm not just a backward looking person, I want Lumpini to reach for standards and practices that can rescue the heritage of Muay Thai also. I just see forces at work that are going to put Muay Thai under great transformation.


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[Assistant] And with that transformation will be the loss of all kinds of things that we value and cherish. Like even the ability to understand how to fight at a very high level will be lost.


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[Assistant] We've made paying attention to these older men much more relevant. When we started doing this, people were like, who? What? Who cares? Old men. These are just old men. These are fucking like, brilliant.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I just feel like there's a schism in Muay Thai right now.


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[Assistant] And before Max Muay Thai was this like, unusual...


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[Assistant] Muay Thai gyms have now adopted the strategies, the values of this promotional matrix that it actually now has invaded Lampini, it's stadium itself. That's...


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[Assistant] There's some pretty hardcore lines being drawn that


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[Assistant] We won't, I feel like we won't even know what Muay Thai is ten years from now. Like I, we're living through a time of great change.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's not all bad change. I just, I guess my point is, it's okay if we bring change and there is change. Let's just mark what's changing. Let's just not let things change willy-nilly without us even paying attention to the costs.


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[Assistant] We can make, take change. Every sport evolves. Muay Thai evolved over a hundred years in its interactions with other sports.


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[Assistant] Totally, and so I, I don't mind the change, I'm just like, let's mark what's altering.


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[Assistant] Okay, we're ending on a positive note.


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[Assistant] If you're watching this on YouTube, you can get, you can, uh, become a, uh, supporter of the podcast and get it as an audio pa- if you're a patron.


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[Assistant] It will change history. It will change history. And it will change you as a fighter. The, uh, so thank you everybody for supporting, and cue music.


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[Assistant] We're doing something up, we're switching more time phones up a little bit. If you've been with us for the long haul.


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[Assistant] Almost all of our Muay Thai Bones are like three hours long on the road in the car, but we're thinking about bringing more Muay Thai Bones episodes to you, uh, more frequently and maybe cutting these down. We'll still do long car editions when we're in the car, but we're not in the car very often.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so we're thinking about doing this about 90 minutes or so.


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[Assistant] Taking on topics and giving them, uh, producing an episode more frequently. How do you feel about that? You're very quiet today.


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[Assistant] We kind of, I'm going to say that we kind of made the multi-bones epically long to just


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[Assistant] Uh, than once a month or so, right? So, if you're new to the multi-bones, uh,


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[Assistant] We've got a t-shirt, which I'm wearing, made by Bleeding Edge. Uh, the sale, the sale of our t-shirts and all of Sylvia's apparel goes to, uh, the Crew Fund or sometimes there's t-shirts for like Karahat or, uh, Yolkunpon.


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[Assistant] And 100% of the profit of that goes to them. Otherwise it goes to the crew fund and it's...


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[Assistant] Money is distributed to people that we've documented in the Muay Thai library.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and what we do is we just cover what are kind of non-typical Muay Thai related topics. We try to take deep dives sometimes on philosophical or cultural or training things.


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[Assistant] It's also how we think about Muay Thai, like Muay Thai has consumed your life. It is the dominant, like,


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[Assistant] Preoccupation, art form, obsession.


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[Assistant] It just is everything. Like you sit down and watch fights to, uh, like stadium fights to zone out, like it is.


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[Assistant] And an amazing component of our lives. So, what we're doing is we're really sharing what Muay Thai means to us, and hopefully in interesting ways, get you guys thinking, uh,


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[Assistant] And if you ever have topics that you want us to cover, or you have a response to what we've had in the Muay Thai Bones library, you can go to the roundtable, the Muay Thai roundtable forum, which we set up, and we can continue discussions there. Uhm, it's a quiet little corner of the internet, there's no like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's very cool. Okay, so what's the first topic here?


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[Assistant] What to do in Muay Thai that we've discovered, right, that you've discovered, right?


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[Assistant] Totally, and uh, if you're new to finding out who Sylvie is, Sylvie...


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[Assistant] More than any western man or woman, actually twice more than any western man and woman. It's incredible what you've achieved.


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[Assistant] Really like trailblazer with a machete, and it's not just the fights, but it's all the things that are involved in fighting.


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[Assistant] Navigating opportunities as a woman, uh, as a Westerner, you have to have 267 fights, you have to set up 267 fights, and so a large part


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[Assistant] Kind of hidden part of what you do is how you navigate Thai culture and form relationships that have helped you been able to fight the way you fight. So that's also reflected in these rules.


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[Assistant] But maybe we're gonna, we're gonna just go through these and we'll probably focus on one or two of them that were really kind of super, uhm,


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[Assistant] Interesting or important, but let's read them all real quick.


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[Assistant] So these are 15 rules from Muay Thai. We won't go, maybe we'll go into...


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[Assistant] We can go into others, maybe in other pointy bones podcasts. This would honestly, if we did all 15 in depth, it would be a


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[Assistant] It would be a 5 hour podcast because each one there was an amazing amount of experience that led to that realization, right? I would say.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, we can run through them real quick. So posture matters has to do with Roop. We've discussed Roop, the Thai concept of Roop, uh, in a, in a past podcast. It basically is about how you present yourself in the ring. It's very important to Muay Thai scoring.


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[Assistant] The scoring of Thailand, uhm, which is being eroded to some degree as you get more kickboxing,


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[Assistant] Uh, style fighting, something we've talked a lot about. Uhm, fight a ton.


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[Assistant] Uh, everybody was kind of on a belt hunt, everybody wanted to be world champion, and you'd figure out how to be world champion, and very often, uh,


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[Assistant] That means picking fights that you can win.


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[Assistant] Uh, if you're not picking them, if you're in Thailand, your gym is picking them for you. They're finding opponents maybe a little bit smaller than you, or that you have some kind of advantage on. This is typically how Muay Thai is done in Thailand, in that, of course, the gym is, uh,


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[Assistant] Interested in glory, right? And money, because they bet on fights.


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[Assistant] That's true too. And so uhm, not fighting a ton.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's true. That's how ties get good. How ties get good is because they fought a ton. Uhm, and so, we're not gonna get into the quality and quantity thing too much here. Maybe we can do a little section on that next, another episode. But,


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[Assistant] You fight quality AND quantity. So, you fight an elite fighter, but you also fight a fighter who's more of a circuit fighter, but has...


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[Assistant] We're not, you're not aiming for belts. You're aiming for a...


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[Assistant] An experience influencing Muay Thai that really maybe doesn't even exist yet.


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[Assistant] But also give up two weight classes. That's what I'm saying, it's not a like spark.


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[Assistant] You've gotten very fatigued. Emotionally and psychologically a fatigued at giving up three weight classes regularly.


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[Assistant] Five kilos, ten kilos, even more sometimes.


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[Assistant] It's what we've had to take on, but that would make a really good Muay Thai Bones.


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[Assistant] We tried to answer a little bit on Instagram, but it's actually a very complicated thing. So it's...


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[Assistant] What is it? Stay clear of the politics and the powerful. Wow. This is a very big topic baby. A lot of this is my instincts.


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[Assistant] You might not fight a ton. Like, I don't wanna go fight a ton.


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[Assistant] I don't want to steer clear of the politics and the powerful, I want to get with the most powerful.


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[Assistant] Right, so this is not us telling everybody you're doing it wrong or to do it right, you follow these rules. These are our rules.


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[Assistant] Totally. And a lot of these rules go against common practices.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, wow, how do we get to this politics in the power form? My opinion, my opinion is, there is no


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[Assistant] Ready-made path to Yodmoy for a female fighter.


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[Assistant] The closest thing would be what the UFC experiences. They get a lot of fight opportunities, they make them stars, they...


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[Assistant] Female fighters fight very good opposition, which is that kind of steel on steel, steel sharpening steel. In female Muay Thai,


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[Assistant] There literally is no path to what we call Yodemoi, and what Yodemoi is, there really aren't even Yodemoi anymore. Maybe Sanchai was the last Yodemoi. Yodemoi is an elite fighter.


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[Assistant] Generally, the historical examples are almost all found in the Golden Age when Thailand had the pinnacle of money, investment, talent pool, gyms, huge matchups.


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[Assistant] It produced Yodemoi, these just magical fighters, and we'll talk about magical fighters later.


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[Assistant] So that means that all of the power centers of Muay Thai, which can be anything from a, is it okay? Anything from a gym structure. There's always politics and gym hierarchy in Thailand or an org.


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[Assistant] Like WPMF or WBC, like a certifying org or powerful promotions that control, uh, matchups and


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[Assistant] Yeah, there are power structures throughout all of Muay Thai, and there's nothing wrong with power structures. Things get done that produce


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[Assistant] Muay Thai, and there needs to be power structures on the micro level to the max level.


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[Assistant] None of those power structures, they're all producing contemporary Muay Thai. In contemporary Muay Thai, there's no path for Yod Muay for female fighters.


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[Assistant] Insofar as you align yourself with a power structure,


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[Assistant] That cannot. Like if you, Allah, if you stay in that power structure,


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[Assistant] I often think of conveyor belts, Ford motor company, uh, or some kind of factory.


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[Assistant] The assembly line, the power structure produces a certain thing. You put things in on the front part of the assembly line, it gets assembled, and it comes out. If you want to know what the power structure produces, look at what they produce, what comes out at the end.


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[Assistant] What female fighters have, and many kinds of fighters might also have this too, but Western female fighters have, they have the difficulty of using power structures, entering power structures, assembly lines, that don't make what they want to become.


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[Assistant] They give you qualities and aspects and opportunities to get you closer to what you want to become.


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[Assistant] Do you know what I kinda mean? It's like, for us, it's kind of like, get on the assembly line, get,


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[Assistant] Take one third through the assembly line and hop off before it goes in this other direction.


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[Assistant] What's, uh, so this is my, my basic framework about you trying to get to Yodemoy is that unlike


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[Assistant] Other people, other kinds of people, whether they be Thai men, Thai boys, Thai men, Western men.


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[Assistant] The power structures really don't create the path you're looking for. And we've mentioned it, the path is not uhm, world champion. Something like world champion. There are, there do exist power structures to produce female world champions. And some gyms and promotions produce a lot of them.


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[Assistant] Well, in the past, examples were, uh, Kazimrit Jim, uhm, uh, before that, Sinby.


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[Assistant] It's not only about power though. It's not like you're looking for power. It also has something to do with the way that Thai culture is, is that it's a very, um, respect driven hierarchical culture.


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[Assistant] And so, once you're in a power dynamic, a power structure, it is very easy to offend


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[Assistant] One power structure and then you move over to the left and you go to another power structure.


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[Assistant] And you hate producing any kind of offense.


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[Assistant] We just simply avoid those deep attachments to any power structure.


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[Assistant] We did it in America, too. This isn't just Highland. It's like you had no gym.


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[Assistant] You only aligned yourself with people who would allow you the freedom to pursue additional opportunities.


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[Assistant] And that was trial and error because then some gym situations would be offended that you're training with another coach or you're doing this other thing or you're not following their advice for your career. And this is just trial and error.


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[Assistant] Constantly have been learning what is the baby bear proximity to power.


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[Assistant] And honestly, the development of Patreon and the Muay Thai library and the support of sponsors


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[Assistant] has been the mechanism by which we are able to stay


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[Assistant] Further away from power and politics than we would otherwise because when you come to Thailand you're and you don't have that


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[Assistant] We develop this over time, like, everybody's like, Patreon, blah, blah, blah, I'll make a, okay, make a Patreon, but...


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[Assistant] You wrote on a blog over a thousand articles on 8limbsus for five years. Not, no money raising or anything.


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[Assistant] You developed an audience that was interested in the knowledge that you were discovering, but also the relationship to you as a person.


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[Assistant] Opportunity that's developed outside of power structures have been through the support of patrons that have been able to make this possible. But what this rule is about is kind of like...


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[Assistant] Because we don't know what strings are attached.


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[Assistant] And in general in Thailand, when there is a, uh, a very powerful move being made,


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[Assistant] It's very easy to produce tensions if you are not


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[Assistant] Following along in all the ways. And part of this is


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[Assistant] Why you don't fight on one, or aren't wanting to fight on one. And we could go into those, we've gone to them in the past, uhm,


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[Assistant] But the largest reason is exactly this, what we're describing, which is when there's a big gravitational planet, we create a wide, a very wide orbit.


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[Assistant] Well, you can't just broadly say that.


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[Assistant] You should say that entering into that relationship would probably become very complicated.


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[Assistant] Is kind of a golden rule that goes all the way down to the personal level that when we, when even training with a crew or a...


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[Assistant] Like for instance, a crew will train with you and be like, oh my god.


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[Assistant] The things I could do with your skills and da da da, and get way into how uhm, strong or talented you are, your immediate response is, if you're super excited, I want to step back from that.


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[Assistant] And I think it really comes down to this larger idea, which I was talking about, which is all the assembly lines do not lead to what you want to become.


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[Assistant] Where you wanna be. Basically, in this skirt.


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[Assistant] Continuing on, we had a quick battery change. Uhm, the other half of this goes to, what is number, brings shine to others.


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[Assistant] This is the other half of avoid politics in the powerful.


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[Assistant] This promotion, like for instance the car trip promotion is just fucking loves you.


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[Assistant] So far they haven't tried to control you or anything like that. And they really celebrate you.


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[Assistant] And so, we like feeling our way towards them, it feels like it's a kind of 50-50 kind of balance. But that's an, so we do find relationships with powerful people and promotions.


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[Assistant] But we're always feeling that distance, but the other half of this, it's not like we're just using things.


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[Assistant] Our mission is that when we align with someone is to just bring shine to them.


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[Assistant] What does that mean for you? Because this feels like a big part of what you do.


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[Assistant] But this is, that is not bringing shine. What is bringing shine?


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[Assistant] Exclusively to him. And he was a, we realize he's a very destructive force.


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[Assistant] Right. And I understand what he's doing, he's playing his game and his angles, but


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[Assistant] He was, he actually was impacting our lives and our situation in a very big way, and we were like, holy fuck, this is, we've been violating the rule of staying close to the powerful.


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[Assistant] He controls females that are your weight and you don't fight people your weight anymore.


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[Assistant] So you actually just went, you just went to fighting two or three weight classes above. And actually we didn't even do that on purpose, it just evolved that way. And it turns out that women your weight were no longer even opponents for you.


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[Assistant] This is just an example, and this is the weird thing, it's like there's no bad...


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[Assistant] There's no bad guy here in this way. It's that in Thailand, when you do business with each other, when you become entwined with each other,


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[Assistant] The world becomes, generally becomes narrowed. Yes. And it's just an aspect of the culture.


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[Assistant] And as a westerner where we think in terms of personal freedom and creating your own opportunity, uh, foraging paths,


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[Assistant] This is antithetical to what happens generally in Thai culture. And so as a Westerner, you have to be sensitive. Like, honest to God, it's about sensitivity to what other people are experiencing too. It's not just like, this is all bad. It's like,


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[Assistant] I cannot get on that assembly line and then stay on it.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's the other, that's the other weird, that's a very good point, is that when you get very closely intertwined,


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[Assistant] Thais are very sensitive to shit talking. You think westerners shit talk on the internet?


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[Assistant] Thais are very sensitive to gossipy stuff and there's a lot of shit talking. So when you start succeeding in Thailand, and I don't mean a person necessarily, but a gym or a promotion,


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[Assistant] They develop enemies, they get a lot of negative talk on the other side. It becomes very political, which is why we're talking about the politics. And so if someone or a promotion starts to feel like they're under attack, which is what happens when you have success,


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[Assistant] Then, everything becomes very constrained.


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[Assistant] Because everybody under that umbrella now represents you.


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[Assistant] Suddenly has ramifications it wouldn't have ever had before. And this is the politics part of it. It's that because we're in a culture that we don't understand and we don't read the Thai gossip.


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[Assistant] We don't know the ramifications of things in the battle of politics, and so we don't want to be in that.


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[Assistant] In that ex- that close proximity where we're accidentally giving ammunition to people who are the enemies of the power structure.


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[Assistant] And because we're not part of the culture, we can't avoid stepping in those landmines and keep doing the things you're doing. So actually as a favor,


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[Assistant] To power structures we deal with, we actually stay baby bear.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's so tricky. It's so tricky because we want to bring female Muay Thai fight promotions to Chiang Mai.


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[Assistant] Uh, and jumpstart everything after Covid, and there's already a very long political history in that city where promoters fight over


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[Assistant] Stadia, do not get along with each other.


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[Assistant] Certain fighters fight under certain promotions and not others. This is all stuff that we have to baby bear if we start doing this kind of thing because honestly we want, and this goes, I wanna get into this for a minute, this is gonna be a weird, this is gonna be a podcast probably on this one subject.


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[Assistant] We went in this direction like promotions, bring Shine to promotions. Actually, to promotions really is not the core example of bringing Shine. Bringing Shine is...


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[Assistant] The best examples are relationships with legends.


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[Assistant] Nobody knew where he was. Like maybe, you could be like, I knew where he was. Nobody knew if he was teaching, if he had...


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[Assistant] What his life situation was, he was doing occasional pop-ups at master toddies, when you, when we got, we,


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[Assistant] We had no knowledge, detailed knowledge about him.


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[Assistant] He is the most incredible man I've ever met. We've brought


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[Assistant] And it just comes out of this impulse of bringing shine. A lot of...


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[Assistant] Eyeballs to this man. Like, people know now much more about who he is. And matter of fact, we changed his whole fucking life because one of our patrons then found the Samart Dieselnoit fight


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[Assistant] Maybe the crowning achievement of his life is now in the video record archive of what Diesel-Loyne was, and also what Summart was.


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[Assistant] That is Shine. That has changed his legacy. We say preserve the legacy is one of our themes.


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[Assistant] And now, with the help of a patron...


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[Assistant] Then you get highlight people talking about him and breaking down his stuff and like the whole machinery of commentary on Muay Thai greatness kicks in.


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[Assistant] And it's also, we did it with Sao Seng. We drew great attention to Sao Seng when we brought it to the Moikawa Summit.


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[Assistant] I just, I think, I guess the point about bring shine is, in every exchange, when you encounter power, all you're thinking about is, how can I bring shine to this? Like we went to film with Yodhvicha, it was a great session. Our impulse is, bring shine to the gym.


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[Assistant] Not because you're there, it's like make a video about the gym. Make people aware that you could train with the WBC World Champion in Bangkok at this gym.


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[Assistant] Make a crew donk, uh, crew pet dom.


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[Assistant] Who's an amazing crew there, and we're gonna film with him. Bring Shine to... People, unless you trained at chems gym, you don't know he's one of the best pad men in Thailand. You bring Shine, like... I don't know, you shine a light on...


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[Assistant] People and I feel like that's one of our main motivations in terms of dealing with any kind of power organization and it's like


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[Assistant] We wanna find ways to shine a light on areas where the light is not there yet.


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[Assistant] Well, it's weird because a flower actually, it's like don't put the butterfly in a cage.


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[Assistant] Why doesn't such and such legend train in a gym?


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[Assistant] Well, no, but they don't have the money to have a gym anyways. But these legends do not


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[Assistant] Align themselves with the power structure of a gym for the exact reason we don't.


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[Assistant] Which is, and it's even worse for them because they have a big name.


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[Assistant] They have a very free heart in the lives they live.


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[Assistant] And if you align yourself with a power structure, you are locked in as a tie. And we don't see it.


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[Assistant] And so for this, what we're saying is this rule about staying away from power and politics in Thailand isn't just Sylvie's rule, it's actually the reason why you don't find these legends, many legends, some legends, yes.


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[Assistant] But you don't find these legends aligning with gyms in Thailand because...


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[Assistant] There's a lot of hidden structures in the hierarchy that then they don't want to, uh, submit themselves to, especially in the long term.


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[Assistant] This, our view about power structures is, one, can we bring shine to whatever this power structure is? If we can, it feels good to us, right?


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[Assistant] We can't bring shine to one. One is fucking a supernova.


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[Assistant] That feeling we have that we're doing good is a major part of what we're doing. That we're doing good.


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[Assistant] And then, on the other half of that is


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[Assistant] How close should we be before it gets too close?


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[Assistant] And we'll, we'll visit those, uh, maybe more on that list. There's some very interesting ones on those rules.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And it's every, you pull on one string, it just...


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[Assistant] We could have kept talking about our last subject still. It's like unraveling a sweater. It's incredible how connected every idea is to every other idea.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about how you piece together your training now.


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[Assistant] So we had to take distance. We took extreme distance. We left the gym, basically.


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[Assistant] Something like that, a chunk of time, and we had to compose a training regimen


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[Assistant] In that absence, that puts you on the path of 3.0. 3.0 is this thing that we are


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[Assistant] Uh, aiming for it started when COVID started where like you're not going to be able to fight the way you normally fight. So train in a completely different way and level your up into a very different fighter. So what you do, what you've developed for yourself is basically just patchworking


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[Assistant] Drawing from diverse opportunities to create a training regimen in patio.


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[Assistant] You were training in three gyms, and it was incredibly hard training. Like, every gym, gym trained you like you hadn't been to the others. And they're like, why are you tired? Right? Remember that? Right?


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[Assistant] So we've always done this kind of piecing together. Like we have a very long history of this.


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[Assistant] Ian America, trained with Master K, and then with Gonsock, and then with Natalie Foos, and then Sparring Circle.


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[Assistant] Things, uh, so, piecing things together is kind of the way you've done this for 12 years or 10 years.


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[Assistant] First let's do, you left Petrum Run, so there was no Petrum Run.


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[Assistant] So, what did we build in the absence of Petrin Ruhm? Because before, the focus was Petrin Ruhm, which is basically traditional.


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[Assistant] Okay, so what we did was we started sparring with Yoku Kumpon at Petren Rung.


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[Assistant] So, to like, zip your mouth on them is not helpful. It's like, let's share the parts that nobody even knows about.


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[Assistant] Uhm, maybe it'll give people ideas about what they can do themselves. So when we left Petra Nrung, we had already been training with Yoke Mpon with an hour of sparring.


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[Assistant] Was it 30 min- 30 minutes of sparring. Very hard sparring. Every day.


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[Assistant] That alone was producing political tension in the gym. Like a great deal of political tension.


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[Assistant] And we knew that your sparring is like the cornerstone of 3.0, uhm, training.


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[Assistant] So the first thing we did was we locked down Yokunpon.


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[Assistant] And even he had some difficulty politically.


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[Assistant] It causes problems. Like we've put a lot of shine.


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[Assistant] On yokanpon and drawn attention to what an incredible fighter he was but socially in the Muay Thai scene


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[Assistant] It was a fucking like, earthquake. Socially.


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[Assistant] Like, things that we're not even aware of. We don't know the politics. So this is again what we're talking about. Avoid the politics. You could, we couldn't avoid it. It ended up separating us from Petrum Rung. And then we brought Yokanpon out of Petrum Rung. He lived next door. He's actually not part of the gym.


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[Assistant] He's just socially connected to them because he lived and he trains people at the gym sometimes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so we started, uh, training at WKO, but just in off hours paying them for ring time.


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[Assistant] From 30 minutes to an hour, which was, you were already like, holy fuck 30 minutes is really hard.


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[Assistant] That is not just logistics, we formed a much tighter bond. We weren't like, we'll just pay you and use your knowledge. We formed a much tighter bond with you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he was actually been pretty good with that. He doesn't go, he's actually amazing and very generous. He's incredibly generous in what he does with you.


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[Assistant] So this goes back to what we were talking about. It's like avoid the politics and the power center.


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[Assistant] But still bring shine and respect to somebody. And so people understand.


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[Assistant] Sparring is 99.9% just sparring, but then he wanna teach you something. And I think what we've guided him towards is, teach me through sparring.


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[Assistant] If he's, if he's like, get your hand up, hit me five times.


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[Assistant] And it actually has made it much more dynamic and real.


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[Assistant] Creator, creator, they're both similar in how they think about things. And you are a conduit of like, I mean, library of techniques. You've trained with the greatest fighters in the history of the country. So you actually have perspectives on techniques.


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[Assistant] Thais only know the coaching tree and experience tree they went through, and some of what they've seen in the ring. But you've actually like studied families of techniques, so sometimes things filter through you, and then they see, ah, that's a great idea.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, totally. So, that was the cornerstone of what we did. And then, we were like, you need help with your hands.


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[Assistant] He's a Russian, he's a Russian kickboxing, uh, coach, uhm, who's very, has a very distinct like Russian hook heavy boxing style.


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[Assistant] And he teaches on farmland. Explain where he teaches.


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[Assistant] And it's almost all hooks. This kind of like jump. Is it a jumping hook? It's a...


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[Assistant] And you basically just hit the mitts with him for an hour.


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[Assistant] And, then the third thing we added was Warriors Gym. Warrior? Warriors?


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[Assistant] It's kind of a local Thai gym. It's owned by a


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[Assistant] Tie, I mean it's a tie gym really, run by ties kind of, and it's out on the lake over here, almost right by the lake.


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[Assistant] Like in a busy, like in Petron Rung a year ago, and it's just a popping gym, people on the pads, Sylvie goes into the corner and does her little stuff on the corner bag or in the bag. Nobody cares. Nobody cares.


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[Assistant] Now COVID hits, wipe out 80% of the people in the gym, all you have is like old hardened crews, and there's almost nobody in the gym, and there's Sylvie in the corner doing stuff.


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[Assistant] Warriors. So what you had was three days with Andre ripping the mitts around horses.


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[Assistant] You've realized that a very important thing for your motivation is you have to feel like you're steering your own boat.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, six days of, uh, sparring an hour with Yokem Pan. Then, for your own satisfaction, your own happiness and well-being, well, we took Warrior out and we made a compromise with Petrum Rung.


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[Assistant] Where you basically replace those three days with pattern rung, sparring,


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[Assistant] So it's the same setup we did when we left Petron Rung, but now you're folded back in, but now we've made a kind of negotiation of you're like no longer their fighter, so to avoid those kind of like politics of pressure.


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[Assistant] Minimize, you can't avoid it at all. So that's how you've pieced everything together and all the little parts have to be tuned.


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[Assistant] As you, you've been winning recently, then your kumpan feels proud of you. So he, you're a little more of his student. He mentioned


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[Assistant] Oh, your boxing coach needs to teach you some more defense. He's thinking about what, where else you're going.


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[Assistant] You're fucking ripping the mitts on him. You're winning your fights. I'm sure he's thinking, whoa.


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[Assistant] You know, my student, like you have to be respectful. We're thinking about, uh, doing some sparring work in another gym that could be competitive with his.


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[Assistant] How do we walk that? And then Petrum Rung, very old history there. Who knows what they're thinking as you gain more shine for yourself.


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[Assistant] People talk, like, so constantly have to kind of like rebalance every relationship.


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[Assistant] So that for us, it feels like you are constantly showing respect, but also getting the opportunity that you need to grow.


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[Assistant] So that's the story of Sylvie's training now. Six months from now, it'll be different. It will be different. It just, we constantly have been shifting.


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[Assistant] Originally we came to Patia, basically we ran into a dead end in Chiang Mai.


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[Assistant] We're not getting the opportunities of training.


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[Assistant] And we moved to Patia to train with Sakmon Kon, and then we're like, well Sakmon Kon is only a certain kind of training. We need family style, so that's how we found Patron Rung, and then we need the, we wanted


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[Assistant] Some more clinch, which is why we went over to Pechi Ja, and you trained with Pechi Ja, who was a little, uh, phenom, female fighter.


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[Assistant] But we've always been kind of like adjusting the recipe as we go.


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[Assistant] And that's where it's at now. We're in a pretty stable position, but it feels like it always has to be adjusted.


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[Assistant] But big parts of it are full of difficulty.


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[Assistant] That other female fighters have followed your example and know they want to fight a lot.


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[Assistant] Now, fighting a ton is a new way of thinking about fighting in Thailand.


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[Assistant] Going towards, we know Maggie at Hong Kong has followed your example and in fact,


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[Assistant] Gone to the actual people we film in the library.


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[Assistant] But felt herself, she's felt herself in uh, corners, training opportunity corners and wanting to become a better fighter and so trying to augment your training as a female fighter but also be respectful to your gym, other female fighters have


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's like, even sparring across gyms might be a...


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[Assistant] A thing. Like, we even ran into politics bringing in Dork My Baw to train and spar with you at Petron Run.


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[Assistant] The example of Maggie, the example of Celeste are the only two that come to mind, but they're probably, oh yes, uhm.


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[Assistant] Seree, uh, piecing together her, uh, training. She goes to Warriors gym. We ran into her at Warriors. She's gone, I think, to Andre and to Eagle.


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[Assistant] Okay, but there is this-


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[Assistant] There is this feeling, well, because they were moving, they had not opened their gym yet.


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[Assistant] And this thing that western female fighters are now starting to think outside of the...


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[Assistant] Distinct opportunities given to them at a particular gym.


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[Assistant] I guess what we want to talk about or need to talk about is, this is great. We think of ourselves as free agents in the West and blah blah blah. But all of it has ramifications. All of it can feel like disrespect.


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[Assistant] Yeah, where you think, oh, everything is now like comfortable. Once it's comfortable, it's locked in. It's more locked in than you think it is.


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[Assistant] And you think, oh, it's comfortable so, oh, you're not offended. Or, for a long time, the things you were doing, like training with legends, uh, all over Thailand wasn't a big deal because you weren't a big deal and then you became a big deal and now it's like,


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[Assistant] A lot of this multi-bones is about...


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[Assistant] Relentlessly pursuing opportunity and relentlessly trying to find the right distance.


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[Assistant] To stay to power structures so that people feel like


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[Assistant] You're bringing shine, but not so that there's criticism that comes along with it. And I don't even know the answer to it because, oh, we're running out of time on this one.


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[Assistant] Western women are probably going to do more of this in the next five years. And all I can say is like,


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[Assistant] It's a learning experience and you have to be respectful, I guess, as you go.


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[Assistant] Okay, so this is gonna be our sign off on the podcast, uhm, this is the new...


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[Assistant] Talking honestly about relationships and opportunities and like, trying to find your way forward.


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[Assistant] I'm very, I'm very amazed at you being able to kind of like climb this. I've always returned to this movie that we watched that we talked about at one time. What's it called? Freestyle or something?


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[Assistant] About, uh, uh, the climb, it's a documentary about the climbing of a rock face without protective ropes.


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[Assistant] You die, basically. And, uh, this guy who is a world-class, uhm, mountain climber is going up this rock face.


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[Assistant] Two guys, actually. Another guy gets no credit. So weird.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's very fatalistically dangerous, and you're finding footholds, handholds as you go, and sometimes when you get to a part in the rock face, it looks like there's no foothold or handhold.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it feels like that's very much what you do.


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[Assistant] We make a thing like 267 fights, we put numbers up there, 450 fights, 470 fights.


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[Assistant] Is like climbing that rock face bare handed and you're looking for footholds and handholds and you get to position, places in the climb.


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[Assistant] And it's kind of like, this is what we went through with Petra and Rung, actually. You climb up the rock face, and you're like, holy shit.


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[Assistant] I can't, there is no hand hold above this point. And you have to climb back down the rock face. Feel like you're regressing.


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[Assistant] To move over and to climb a different route up that mountain. And it feels like, I mean,


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[Assistant] Yeah, the fights are hard and what not, but it feels like actually the emotional terrain of trying to improve yourself as a fighter in the context of Thai culture.


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[Assistant] Knowledge, but also very tricky landscape of politics and power that you want to be respectful to and honor.


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[Assistant] It is like climbing a rock face in like, the last...


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[Assistant] Eight months have been like, wow, is there a handhold? Where is the next finger little spot?


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[Assistant] In awe of the work you do, trying to get to the up that mountain face. Like it is really something.


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[Assistant] That leaves you speechless.


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[Assistant] I'm just in awe of it. It's, for everybody out there, it's a very difficult path. It's not just do the work, take the injuries, recover, do the work.


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[Assistant] And I think it's also a key to the fact that it's an art and an expression of yourself.


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[Assistant] And that you have to dig through layers of yourself in order to produce the freedom and authenticity that you want.


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[Assistant] Well, thank you everyone for supporting Sylvie's Path and our discussions like this, these very real and honest discussions, and I hope to


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[Assistant] Keep bringing the Muay Thai bones, uhm, more regularly now with you guys. Uhm, if you want to, uhm, if you're watching this on YouTube, which is, it's on free, it's free on YouTube,


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[Assistant] Uhm, by becoming a patron, even a dollar patron, you get access to the full audio subscription version of these podcasts.


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[Assistant] Which is pretty cool and you get all the reading notes, uh, so during a podcast we mention films or, uh, videos or fights or, uh, books that we've read. You can go then jump a footnote hop, uhm, that's available for our patrons too. And, uh, don't forget the Muay Thai Bones t-shirt. That's pretty flicked.


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[Assistant] Yearly, that's kinda cool. Uhm, we're thinking of actually, uhm, we're taking steps more than thinking of setting up a Thai foundation, which will be like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, within the, working with a lawyer, set up a Thai foundation which would be a charitable,


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[Assistant] I, I listen, so actually both of those options are available for this.


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[Assistant] We'll see how it goes. Because these are actual conversations between me and Kevin. We have not written or scripted. We come up with ideas of things that we think about or that we have previously talked about and we're like, oh, that would be a good topic for Muay Thai Bones. And then we have


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was kind of cool. So that you guys kind of get an idea of how that works. He's not the only one ever to use this, but he used it prolifically and he used it really well. So it would be like...


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[Assistant] Practicing the Mayweather guard, which is the Michigan guard, but Mayweather like has his style within it.


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[Assistant] Covid crisis, which is that it has impacted


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[Assistant] The entire Muay Thai community or, uhm,


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[Assistant] Relevant or hip or drama marketing or whatever, they're creating these Muay Thai shows that are very different from


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[Assistant] While they're popular and while people are watching them kind of because they're weird in the way that like WWE is weird or something, uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but so that is shaping also, or will eventually back shape into traditional Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're not gonna be like, no I don't want western money.


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[Assistant] We actually didn't know that we weren't allowed to be there. They actually let me train there because I know John Berklerk.


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[Assistant] It's not gossipy, so what happened is that when


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[Assistant] COVID-19 started becoming very clear. China was shutting down and it was like...


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[Assistant] Alright, in order to try to contain this, because Thailand was one of the first countries to get, uh, COVID.


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[Assistant] After China, because we have a lot of Chinese tourists coming into Bangkok, but the numbers stayed relatively low, so there was no panic at the time. There was this, uhm,


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[Assistant] By the government. It was not a don't do this. It was like, eh, maybe no concerts, uh, don't book Muay Thai events. And a lot of people from the Muay Thai community, and when I say Muay Thai community, I-


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[Assistant] When the government said, please don't book shows, there was a huge response from


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[Assistant] Many, like trickling down to people who promote in their gym on Saturday, like small shows. They were like, how are we supposed to eat? This is how we make our living.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so it's a big ask to be like, oh, just don't, just don't promote anymore. So there were some adjustments made.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that were different. So some shows that are televised allowed the fights to continue, be broadcast on television, but nobody was allowed to go watch in the audience in order to limit the number of people who were there.


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[Assistant] Other places, uh, were still allowing viewers to come see, but they were taking measures like offering hand sanitizer, taking people's temperatures on their way in, like this kind of thing. Like basically, okay, we'll make


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[Assistant] Okay, so what happened is that during this time when the government had asked stop


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[Assistant] Muay Thai is taking a heavy blame hit, um, for being responsible for spreading, um, COVID around the country. And it's gotten to a point where there is some part that you're like, okay, this is responsibility. But then there's also like very, um, gossipy,


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[Assistant] If there is a Muay Thai fighter in a community, people are looking at them as like,


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[Assistant] But the idea being, if there's this vilification, if there's this association with Muay Thai, down to the point where it like doesn't even matter.


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[Assistant] Which, to give you guys reference, this is crazy, because normally, putting them on con on the rear view mirror, cops and military love Muay Thai. They love it. If you have this hanging on the rear view mirror and they're like, where are you going, what are you doing, blah, blah, blah, we...


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[Assistant] Maybe, but even when I go pay a ticket and I'm still paying the ticket, they are just like beside themselves hearing about this little Ferong who's a Muay Thai fighter who can name other Muay Thai fighters, like all of this stuff, and they love it. We don't know, maybe they'll still be like this.


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[Assistant] There is the possibility, because we just don't know, that there will be...


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[Assistant] Look at it. It's either a very cute story or it's like, let's wag our fingers harder at the Muay Thai community. But uhm, a couple of these...


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[Assistant] Gamblers from that March 6th show that were in hospital having tested positive, they were supposed to be in their rooms and they weren't in their rooms when the nurse checked on them and they had come out to watch Muay Thai on TV.


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[Assistant] Well, this is similar to the topic that was just at hand, which is how does Muay Thai as a whole and promotions recover after, uhm,


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[Assistant] But, uh, for people who don't know but are experiencing this all around the world, gyms all around the world are being closed so that people are not communing, but in Thailand that's happening as well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is difficult in some Thai gyms because people live there. So they're all still at the gym, but they're not allowed to train. Uhm, but,


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[Assistant] Gyms that kind of, uh, depend on their members for financial support, for uhm...


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[Assistant] There are gyms that have westerners who either come every year or who stay for three months, six months, whatever, and it's just...


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[Assistant] For people who aren't familiar, Rambaz Gym in Patia is mainly kids, like young Thai kids. He's got like 30 of them. They fight, they train really hard.


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[Assistant] I think he said something like half of them don't pay at all for training, uhm, because he has basically this like, if you can't afford it, just don't pay me, you're part of my team anyway.


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[Assistant] You, you focused a great deal on the Thai exodus and like, are these people going to come back? Not only because uhm, not only because


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[Assistant] Yes, they're making more money if they're living in a more expensive place in a gym, whatever. Uhm, and so it's work. The reason they left the provinces in the first place is for that work, so it makes sense that they'll come back. But a gym that's not...


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[Assistant] Thriving or not healthy from if it takes Westerners from the Western side is not going to need those trainers either. So if it's not bolstered by the


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's gonna take longer than I think.


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[Assistant] Like, I have my thoughts of how long it's gonna take, and then I'm like, it's gonna be longer than that. Uhm, and I think that it's also... I see people...


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[Assistant] Maybe a minority of people who are like really gung-ho. I don't know how timid people are gonna be when the gates open back up to be like, let me now fly across the world and see.


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[Assistant] In taking, factoring in what the response is going to be, is that...


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[Assistant] In the same way that in the West, what I've seen from people's responses is that gyms feel like they're communities.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to the gym. I can't train, but I'm going to, uhm, still pay my dues so that there's a gym when I come back. Like, people are still very connected to each other. In Thailand, these traditional gyms, they're, they're families. They're like, very, like, these are your fraternities, these are your communities.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and while there is an exodus of people going home, which actually would be taking place right about now because of Songkran coming as well, I think that the impetus to get back to your community gym, like at Rambaz Gym, or uhm, some of these more, like,


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[Assistant] Strong Thai core and also western, uhm, like melding gyms, the fusion gyms. I think that there is this like community that people want to get back into that are, that they're homesick for. And that gives a little bit of a safety net to the situation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Thailand had become very, very dependent on Chinese tourism.


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[Assistant] Every sector, like every sector, it's a little bit of a nasty joke right now of


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[Assistant] Before it got to this point, the way people were talking about simply cutting off the Chinese tourism because China was cutting off tours from their own side.


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[Assistant] Not in a secure place in a gym. They don't own their own gym. There are legends who own their own gym. Samara has his own gym, like this kind of thing. There are those. There are very few.


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[Assistant] My thought being that there was this kind of like nice upswing that was happening that was recent, which is that partially because of our work,


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[Assistant] And recognition of these, um, legends from the West and Westerners coming and taking privates with them, which is awesome. A lot of these legends who were kind of under the thumb of gyms that were kind of using their name or bolstering them or whatever actually got a kind of independence that they were able to kind of start, um, through privates having a little bit more, uh, autonomy. And you come and you cut that.


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[Assistant] It's PayPal, so when we say we're covering the fees, PayPal takes a cut, takes a fee for sending money, and we cover that so that whatever you send, whatever you send is what that legend is getting.


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[Assistant] But part of this, and again, another example is Yod Kunpon, who would be Empathia, and he kind of subsists.


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[Assistant] In Patia, just being in Patia was too expensive and he went home. And out of nowhere, uhm, a man from Hong Kong who's one of my patrons who had just trained with Yodh Kumpan in Patia was thinking about him and was like, Sylvie, can you send this money over to Yodh Kumpan to help him? Yodh Kumpan has been completely...


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[Assistant] By the- by the people who are taking- I'm gonna cry. By the people taking care of them.


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[Assistant] We're talking about the disappearance of Muay Thai in Thailand. These men are fucking ignored in a hard way to some extent to varying degrees.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but the, the way, the way that this has shown support to them and, uh, love for them, not only financially taking care of them in this time, which is amazing, but, uh, the acknowledgement and emotional care that they're getting out of this, I think is incredible.


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[Assistant] There's an amazing thing that to me has become, this is crazy that this has just become evident to me in a stronger way now because I am very clearly online.


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[Assistant] I've started doing these live streams of my workouts because we're in quarantine. I'm not at a gym. I have nobody. So I'm doing my workouts in our front room and I'm live streaming them and people are joining in.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think about technique a lot while I'm working, so I'm talking a lot and explaining things. So it's a little bit of a like, uhm,


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[Assistant] And what's beautiful about this is that it illustrates to me how much


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[Assistant] There can be a very real connection between the gyms not in Thailand and the gyms in Thailand and the trainers in Thailand and the Muay Thai library. You can literally go learn.


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[Assistant] From Yokanpon, Karahat, Disilnoe, Samart, like all these people in the Muay Thai library, that connection's very real. And it's...


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[Assistant] The love for Muay Thai and the passion for Muay Thai in the West.


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[Assistant] Feeds the possibilities for Muay Thai in Thailand.


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[Assistant] So we talk about ways in which, uhm, Buddhism and Muay Thai and Thailand intersect or inform each other. I think that's the way to say it.


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[Assistant] Expressions of things. So, uh, for example,


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[Assistant] Uhm, qualities that make a gentleman in the West are qualities that you also want to see to an extent in


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[Assistant] Sports stars. Like, in order to... Who was that guy who made basketball players start wearing suits?


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[Assistant] No, you told me this. But, it's like, you don't want necessarily some, like, completely uncouth, hateable boxer who's like a, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the point being that values and qualities of Thai, lay Thai masculinity.


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[Assistant] And then qualities of like monks and fighters.


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[Assistant] They have similarities. They have like, these are qualities that we value in being a good fighter or being a good person.


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[Assistant] Being unaffected or, or chill or cool or not, not affect, like not being super affected by things.


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[Assistant] Not about Buddhist, but as a Thai thing, being like self-disciplined.


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[Assistant] This one, I don't know how broadly Buddhist it is, but it is 100% from


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[Assistant] In Theravada Buddhism, which is Thai Buddhism, there is a practice...


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[Assistant] Uh, of meditation that I practice which is called Vipassana.


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[Assistant] In doing Vipassana meditation, where instead of focusing on the breath,


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[Assistant] So if I'm sitting like this and, uh, paying attention to the body and just watching it, like not controlling it but just watching it, and then at some point I have to go like this because I was uncomfortable,


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[Assistant] The concept we're talking about is called Yoniso. Yoniso is to understand why...


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[Assistant] So if I go like this and don't yoniso, I'm unaware of why that change just happened. I may suddenly become aware of like, oh, now body is in a different position, but I didn't yoniso, so I don't understand why that happened.


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[Assistant] And I think I've done this in technique vlogs, which is, I get totally bent out of shape when I'm like, my...


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[Assistant] Recognition of why it happened. In Vipassana, the answer is always to escape suffering. My ass was asleep, and so I went like this.


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[Assistant] Cause you're supposed to keep your hands like this and you end up starbursting your arms.


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[Assistant] Yoniso would be understanding why you starburst your arms and it's to control your balance. By knowing why that's happening, you can address the change in it.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I just had this thought while you were talking, so don't ask me where it's going because it just happened.


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[Assistant] There's this thing that I just did a Sylvie's Technique vlog on, um, visualization and how to go from nothing to something and then from being able to do that kind of progress in advance.


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[Assistant] When you're learning how to visualize, to begin with, there are gaps all the time. Like, it's not smooth. And so there's this, I call it scene missing, where you just kind of like...


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[Assistant] Connection of Samadhi and Yoniso is that if you have the awareness to body is in this position, aren't paying attention, it's like when you're driving and suddenly you're halfway home and you haven't really been paying attention, you were like on autopilot.


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[Assistant] It's the continuity of awareness that Yoniso allows. And so,


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[Assistant] In Muay Thai, when you're looking at a technique or a habit that you have or why do I flinch or why am I tense in these moments or why can't I do what my trainer is asking me to do, there are gaps, there are scenes missing because you don't have Yoniso of why that's happening.


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[Assistant] And so when you only have these, you have awareness of having fucked up the technique, and you have awareness of having tried to do the technique, but that continuity between the two is Yoniso. It's understanding how that happened.


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[Assistant] Right? So that you can have the continuity between things. But also it brings into this ning, which is equal and unaffected.


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[Assistant] Practice or meditation that's like you're uncomfortable and you have to endure it. You have to bear that discomfort to like be, uhm, aesthetic about it or something.


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[Assistant] It's not that. It's understanding that you can change out of that. You can escape that discomfort.


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[Assistant] It is okay if you are acting out of discomfort in Muay Thai. I take distance that I don't want. I'm like stop doing that. Like stop taking a step back. It's because of that discomfort. That discomfort will follow me.


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[Assistant] It's, Yoniso is understanding that I'm taking that distance because I'm uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] That position, uncomfortable. This position, less uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] That discomfort will follow me here.


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[Assistant] When you judge yourself for it, you're basically giving yourself snippets of amnesia or rejection or judgment or all of these things that make it very hard to keep those ning, samadhi, neutral mind, uhm.


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[Assistant] He tricked you. He'd be like, get into your Muay Thai stance and you'd do it and he's like, nope. Because you're...


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[Assistant] Performing something unnatural. You're like, my stance is this. And you like, put your feet a certain way. And he's like, nope. And he's like, okay.


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[Assistant] Stand there, you stand there, and he says, walk one step. Just take one step. You take one step, and he says, that's your stance. And it was, now I'm gonna cry, now I'm gonna cry.


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[Assistant] What's beautiful about it is he is teaching you


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[Assistant] How fucking beautiful of a teacher is that? And it's very Thai, because Thai trainers will repeat this Tamachat thing all the time, especially, especially when you're asking them


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[Assistant] Tamachat literally means nature or natural. Uhm, it means...


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[Assistant] Not synthetic, not performed, not effort. No effort.


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[Assistant] Is not something I enjoy watching so much.


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[Assistant] Mayweather? Fucking incredible. I don't like watching him fight. I can watch someone look like they don't want to fight at home.


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[Assistant] How much of an expression of him it was, as well as, my god, I could not come in on you. Like, what looks so effortless, is actually effortless.


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[Assistant] He keeps his feet super close together. He switches stance to the point where like, we asked him, are you naturally southpaw or naturally orthodox? And he's kinda like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Not only is Samart one of the greatest fighters ever in terms of his skill and ability to just like, look like he wants...


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[Assistant] Nothing more than to just please stop pestering me in his fights, but-


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[Assistant] But he's also a very, uhm, he's a superstar. He's an actor, he's a singer, he's like a, uhm,


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[Assistant] In that session, when I could not maintain my balance, he had this like...


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[Assistant] It's like, the, the degree to which I couldn't even come close to what he was doing and what he was doing was not complicated. And he just had this sweet, charming, like, no, that's not what I'm doing kind of thing.


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[Assistant] How hard is that? And other people can't do it and you're like, no, just roll it. How do you do it? I have no idea. The muscles just do it. That's Tomachat. Is that he didn't even need me to have his technique.


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[Assistant] Perfect example because Archie Moore is doing this guard all through this fight and then his opponent actually steals it in like round 10 and he just can't do it.


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[Assistant] Uh, not only of knowing the technique and, and knowing the little details of it, but allowing it to, through your tamachat, be an expression. Like, you don't want to watch an actor who you can tell they're just reciting their lines. You want it to appear as though they heard what was said and are responding to it.


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[Assistant] Reaction and the reason Tamachat and Yoniso of understanding why something is occurring is that


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[Assistant] A fight is an interaction between two people. We were watching, uh, Chmuk Pet.


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[Assistant] But the thing about Chmokepet, and what an incredible fighter he was,


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[Assistant] He is totally an excellent Moikau, like his knees are just incredible, his pace, his intensity, but he fights.


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[Assistant] When we trained with Krongsock, Krongsock was the last... Was Sagat the last two fights?


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[Assistant] That is not a like, we went home and watched tape and had a like game plan difference between the first fight and the second fight for Diesel Noi. That was Diesel Noi understanding what his...


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[Assistant] Difficulties were, and why he was making...


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[Assistant] The decisions he was making, if you can understand that you're, for example, Kronksock, in the second fight when he was just being teaped, he was like, there is this effect happening, and he couldn't figure out how to solve it.


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[Assistant] That to me, and maybe it can be interpreted in a lot of different ways, but that to me,


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[Assistant] Comes from the same stems of Yoniso, of understanding.


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[Assistant] You're creating tension in my body by what you're doing, and so I'm going to change that, release that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. We have to start again or?


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[Assistant] Maybe it doesn't have entirely to do with Yoniso or, uhm, Tamachat. More so with Tamachat.


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[Assistant] Is that Kevin was just saying that he watches the space between fighters. This is a high level.


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[Assistant] I remember when we first started watching Thai Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] On, on YouTube, and I think the first fights that we saw in Thailand.


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[Assistant] Uh, we would watch Channel 7 and things like this was, for me, something that was so incredible was the stillness, how they would stand in each other's space.