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[Assistant] That is truly the only negative I can find. And then, you know, added to that, I'm big on, let me see the bad game, the worst game, right? The worst game for Coastal Carolina, where I would go, man, okay, they had a pretty good game plan.


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[Assistant] He might have had a few throws where you'd go, damn, I've seen him hit that throw all year long. He's a little off. Okay.


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[Assistant] Alright, but, and they did have a good game. He was under pressure and he had to deal with stuff all game. It wasn't like people were open or anything like that.


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[Assistant] But still, if that's the worst game of the year, he still made more throws and plays in that game that I would say that maybe any of the other quarterbacks made in any game themselves.


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[Assistant] Are you, the, the 40 yard hole shot? The throw people in the pocket on the last play of the game and he throws a 22 yard laser in cut from an awkward position on the money and the guy gets tackled at the 3 inch line? Right. Like that's, that's insanity stuff. See, that's Mahomes and Rogers stuff.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's where I just, listen, I knew the kid was good and had talent. I saw that in college and on TV this year. But again, like I said, when you start to study and break it down, it just starts, it's just one after another and you just go, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, right.


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[Assistant] Exactly, exactly right. And you know, the mechanics, again, it doesn't always have to be, you know, exactly the same with each quarterback. But you know, this kid here is, he's a little bit of a,


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[Assistant] A little bit and yeaah, yeaah, can you tilt that up just a little? You know, he holds the ball right here.


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[Assistant] And it's, it's loose and relaxed, like I'm a Holmes or Rogers.


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[Assistant] But at the base core principles of his mechanics, it's always a great turn of the shoulder, right? No matter what. Oh, my feet are like this because I got pressure. He gets great turn on the shoulder and then he's the king of across the body with his arm, right? So those, those things,


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[Assistant] I mean, it looks, it's, it's like, is that, is that a trick? Is that, is that, did they do something to make it look like that? So he's gonna be able to cut it through weather or anything like that, let alone just the sheer power in his arm and his ability to throw the ball 70 yards down the field or make the other awkward throws.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. And you know, the things you're saying again, like these are things you heard on TV this year about Mahomes and his baseball background. Right. Yeaah. Yeaah. It's real. You know, and again,


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[Assistant] The point you make is really the thing. When things are perfect, like, he's gonna throw it perfect. But when things aren't perfect, it's almost perfect every throw too. And that's where I just go, holy crap, I love Batman.


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[Assistant] I know I'm gonna, I know I'm already getting crapped on on social media and all those type of things, I'm sure. Because everybody's been fed Trevor Lawrence for three years straight. That's all you gotta hear about.


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[Assistant] Because as I watched and I watched every throw of the season, I went...


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[Assistant] There's, he's clearly number one for me. Like clearly. And there is space between him and Trevor Lawrence. And I really like Trevor Lawrence and think he's worthy of the number one pick. I do. But it's, it's just all the plays and everything. And listen, here's the other thing that's gonna come up, right? And I'm sure we have a question there. Competition.


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[Assistant] Yes, well listen, I understand that, and you gotta take that into account to a degree. But I'm not, I don't go overboard with that. Listen, again, I'll go, like, Mahomes and the Big 12.


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[Assistant] There's not many great NFL defensive players coming out of the Big 12. It'd be hard to name them right now in the NFL. Right. So the competition wasn't that great there either. I know their household names in Texas and, and, you know, Oklahoma and some of those schools.


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[Assistant] I understand that, but here's the other aspect too. You know, I would also can say to that, well, how much easier was the game for Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields? They got first round receivers and running backs and everything that can bail them out when they're not quite on hot either.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'll say this, you know, and especially when it comes to the ACC. The ACC ain't that great this year. Okay? I mean, you saw it firsthand. It was Notre Dame and Clemson.


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[Assistant] North Carolina was pretty good. Clemson didn't even have to play them. And they were solid, okay? But I didn't look at ACC football this year, and especially as I'm going through film just going, whoa, it's one powerhouse after another. He got, Trevor Lawrence got to be on


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[Assistant] The better team on the field every game of the year, except for one. But you can see him in the past couple years again. He's awesome and we're going to get to him a second. He's awesome. I don't want to say that. But my last thing would be this, you know, throwing the ball


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[Assistant] into a tight window or to a guy covered is throwing a ball into, I don't give a dick damn what level it is, okay? He's gonna be able to adjust that, oh now my receiver runs a little faster and that DB runs a little faster. I can go back to Josh Allen again and same things there. And go, I saw plenty


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[Assistant] To go, he can do it. Now Josh Allen's big thing, you know, people always made it about the accuracy.


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[Assistant] Okay, did he let it fly at times and things like that? What I would really say, it wasn't Josh Allen's accuracy. He didn't get some of the screens and bullcrap throws that Sam Dornal and Baker Mayfield got. That hurt his accuracy.


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[Assistant] Oh wow, there's accurate, he has no control of the football. No, I just went a little bit like, dude, you can't fit the ball into every keyhole in the world.


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[Assistant] Uh, so what I'm basically saying is listen, I take that into account, but I think it's something that's a hair overrated in the big picture of things when you evaluate it. I know an explosive arm and a twitchy athlete when I see it, and this is what this guy is.


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[Assistant] When they go to a pro day and see him throw, then they're gonna go, well, I don't give a damn what competition it was. I've never seen a guy that throws like this. This is unreal. And I think that'll change people too.


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[Assistant] You know, we'll see where it goes, but I, I, I will stand by that. I think he is the clear number one. Like, the clear. There's some distance here to me, and I really like Trevor Lawrence. And, you know, let's get into Trevor Lawrence now, I guess, unless you want anything else you want to hit on.


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[Assistant] I think we hit all the staples. People know what we're talking about there. I think we hit all the, the essentials.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well Trevor Lawrence, amazing. Okay? I mean, big, strong arm, right? He's played in a lot of big time college football. You know, the talent is there. There's no doubt. And, to add on top of that,


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[Assistant] There's untapped talent still here too. There's things that can be fixed in his football game. You know, the one thing that I think I came away with in Trevor Lawrence, and listen, there's


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[Assistant] A lot of plays where I go, ooh, damn throw, good throw, holy crap, great throw.


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[Assistant] You know, whoo, pressure around him. You know, I always say size is a skill. He's got that over Zach Wilson. You know, he can have it, oh, people in his face, and he can throw it over them and do those type of things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Zach Wilson though, with his pressure and stuff, he's gonna throw in some weird angle and get it in between. He's not gonna be able to do that. So hey, that's an advantage I would say Trevor Lawrence has over him. Trevor Lawrence's running is special, but when it comes to just pure throwing, and even the decision making,


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[Assistant] Zach Wilson's offense is pro-ish, and it is the ability to process and go one to two to three and do it seamlessly is really damn good. It's second in this draft, only to one guy, and we're gonna get there in a second. Or it's up there with the Joe Burrows of what we saw last year. His ability to process and get to the guy is very impressive.


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence is not quite there there yet. It's real good, there's no doubt, but it's a very ecology offense too.


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[Assistant] And I think with Trevor Lawrence, again, the raw talent is really real. And like I have heard, he's definitely worthy of the number one pick. If Jacksonville wants to pick him number one, you're not going to sit here and see me go, that's so stupid. That's ridiculous. No, I see it. It's real. But what I'll say to you is,


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[Assistant] He's not as good a thrower as Justin Herbert was last year, okay? You know, that's a machine, like Zach Wilson. It's a machine. Joe Burrow, you know, his accuracy and his ability last year to go through reads and all that was a machine. Now he didn't have the pure arm talent that Trevor Lawrence has.


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[Assistant] The one thing that I think jumped out to me and maybe I didn't even realize when I'm watching on TV because it's Clemson and they win and they still put up points and yards and things like that.


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[Assistant] But there are a number of easy throws delivered to him. Screens, hey, ATN, here's a receiver, screen, all that. And you have to start worrying about that. And then, he gets to throw to a lot of wide open people too. Okay? And I have no issue with that.


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[Assistant] But there's also a number of throws where, and this is where I think I was a little like taken back by it, where I just go...


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[Assistant] That ball's off target, like he's wide open and he missed it. Now nobody cares because it's Clemson and the next play there's somebody making a play and they get the first down so it doesn't get like glorified.


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence has some inconsistencies in my opinion in his mechanics and throwing. And Kristen, I'm gonna stand up again if you can tilt the camera up for me. Uhm, but here we go.


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[Assistant] So there's a few things with him. First off, you know, I love that, you know, Zach Wilson's motion's real tight. This never breaks or anything like that. Trevor Lawrence can let his arm get a little long at times. And he goes, and he gets away with a lot of this because he's got God-given talent. He's a baller. I mean, again, I'm not trying to be negative on Trevor Lawrence, but it could be all over the place with footwork at times.


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[Assistant] And not like, to where I'm like, these are all fixable. To where this is where I go, it's untapped potential. He can do some things, but-


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[Assistant] You know, first thing is, I don't always see great arm, like upper body movement, right? You ever watch Mahomes, Brady, Rogers, they get upper body movement. It's not about the arm. He can let his arm just act like an independent contractor. Also, number of throws where it's


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[Assistant] That, or, it's a big stride, and he might complete some of them, but some of them are not complete, and then the quality of the ball is a little compromised at times too, and listen, I'm being picky here, this is...


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[Assistant] Well, you can't, you can't rotate or do anything like that. You're going to have to just fall and step in the bucket every time. You know, I'm trying to throw the ball here and I'm like this and I go like this. Like, yeah, you're, you're, you're really talented and you'll still throw a lot of completions because you've got a big hand and a big arm and all of those. But that day where you don't have it,


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[Assistant] That's where you need mechanics. That's where you gotta go, wait, wait, I'm a little off today. I mean, hold on. I just can't do it with my, my God given ability. Right. And those are the things that, you know, I just looked at a little bit that not concerning. Like I said, they're fixable and it's still a really awesome film and he's really good.


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[Assistant] There was just more of that than I think I thought watching on TV.


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[Assistant] We're talking long career. He's got hall of fame type talent, ability, all of those things. Yes. You know, I'm not, I'm not knocking him. I'm just saying the guy I see right now at number one is really damn like superstar special talent and NFL ready right now.


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[Assistant] No, I think, I think he is in that generation. I don't, again, like I said, I don't, he's a better athlete than Justin Herbert. I don't think he's the pure power machine arm thrower that we saw from Justin Herbert last year.


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[Assistant] It's still a special talent. It is. Uhm, am I gonna look at it like I looked at it like Mahomes or Josh Allen to where I just thought I saw


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[Assistant] Like just raw talent where I went, man, you know, this is bread far this is that kind of stuff. I don't like quite look at it like that. But yes, I still think this is a really special talent and part of it is what he said, you know,


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[Assistant] It's Clemson, they're awesome. We've been, he was a top recruit in high school.


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[Assistant] Clemson's gonna win next year too. Clemson was good this year with the freshman who was in there. Right. And they lost an overtime game to a top board team. So the team is really good. Uhm, but yes, we have been, you know, it just becomes...


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[Assistant] The overall hype machine. It's a little like Tua last year, but again, I'm saying this guy is more talented than Tua, but it's just, hey, it's Clemson, they're awesome, his stats are good, they win, and you know, he's gotta be the best, right? And he's really awesome. Again, I don't want to deny that. I just don't think he's as awesome as the guy number one.


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[Assistant] I, like, Mac Jones is another one I'm, I was secretly blown away by as I started to watch it and it sounds like you were too.


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[Assistant] His first knock, okay, is that he doesn't look cool in his uniform. Alright, that's all that, to me that's part of the reason we're talking about, and Mike Florio brought it up today too, and I wrote that down, I said this is really one of his biggest issues. Alright, the other issue I hear a lot- Hold on a second, that he doesn't look good in his uniform? Yea, he doesn't look cool in his uniform.


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[Assistant] You know, you talked about, like, the athleticism. Yeah. Yeah, okay, he's not gonna be able to run like Zach Wilson or Trevor Lawrence or some of these other guys on the strat. Yeah.


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[Assistant] He is unbelievable in the pocket, and he can move plenty well enough to avoid traffic and make throws on the run and do all of that.


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[Assistant] Kind of like, Bone Away by Mac Jones too, because it was just more than I was expecting. I kind of expected to think, oh, it's Alabama, and they're coached well, and yeaah, he hits the open guy, and blah blah blah. But there is so many throws where,


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[Assistant] All the arm angles that Zach Wilson and even Trevor Lawrence has some more arm angles too.


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[Assistant] He still can deliver the ball within the realm of his mechanics any way he wants. So he's got a real traditional...


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[Assistant] You know, just real traditional throwing motion. You know, there's no sex appeal to it. But, okay, now the pocket's tight and I gotta, I gotta throw a, uh, a 24, 20 yard outroute and I don't have a lot of room. He can, he tightens it up and just does that. He has all the right mechanics. And he's not a long strider. No, he needs no room to throw the football.


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[Assistant] No, it is exactly, it is exactly right. So, oh, it's a slant route, quick, boom, he can get it out quick. Okay, now I get to drive a 25 yard crossing route. You know, again, it always looks like the same motion, but you have to like slow it down and look, and then, okay, now he digs in there a little bit more for that.


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[Assistant] His ability to throw with touch. He has every throw in the book. And, you know, the way they call the game...


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[Assistant] Hey, I think they called a more aggressive passing game this year as compared to Tua.


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[Assistant] And I take that into account, but I still go back to go, man, there's a lot of plays where the guys aren't wide open and he's still in the pocket with pressure and he's got to stand there and make a big time throw and he delivers and it's on the money. And he got hit a lot.


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[Assistant] It's just a lack of sexiness and coolness in the uniform. I've heard my friends say it, that's why I said it. Really? With that, the way he lo- he's that good? Yeah, I don't know, sorry, his body's not great, I don't give a shit. I don't know what to say. The results are, it's like, every time it's like, woah, woah.


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[Assistant] That's a very good analogy. You're exactly right. Thank you.


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[Assistant] To me, that's where he is special. His ability to read the field, process the information, and it's a little bit of the reverse.


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[Assistant] Of what we've talked about as some of these other guys, you know, the hype's never been there for him. Right. So this is a hard one for people to buy into. They're just like, what? He wasn't the number one quarterback in the country. I don't think he was coming out of high school and I didn't hear hype about him coming up the ranks and you know, all the hype of Tua in front of him. I think all those things have hurt Mac Jones, but I'm what I'm sitting here and telling you is going,


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[Assistant] He's a top 10 pick. There's no doubt in my mind.


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[Assistant] He is a top 10 pick. No, you said right. He is a top 10 pick and I can look at a lot of guys that were drafted in the top 10 and go, are you kidding me? Mack Jones is better than this guy.


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[Assistant] His arm is better than Joe Burroughs last year in my opinion. It is better. Now he's not the athlete and the playmaker. Burroughs was special. Like you talked about, hey, Mac Jones had all those plays under pressure and still delivered the ball.


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[Assistant] Joe Burrow for the national championship winning team last year, it was pitiful protection. He made more freaking plays sliding and moving and getting out of the way of people. I mean, he's the slipperiest bastard I've ever seen as far as that's concerned. We saw that in the NFL this year.


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[Assistant] So, uh, Mac Jones, machine, people gotta stop hatin' on him, okay? And I will say to Mac Jones, let's find a different way to wear the uniform this year. Let's do something else. Maybe take away the half sleeve, maybe wear some cooler cleats and sock look, and do that, and that might get people to buy into you a little bit more.


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[Assistant] Legit, legit, there's no project. There's nothing. He's NFL ready this second. Like, you can bring him into camp.


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[Assistant] The, like, I keep looking at the Carolina Panthers at number 8, like, cause I think, oh, like, Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson are gonna be gone by the time 8 comes. Easily. But you got Joe Brady, who came from LSU, and I go, well, why wouldn't this guy fit in that office? He's Joe Burrow-ish, we just talked about. There is no project. He's ready this moment. Do you think he'll be there at 8?


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[Assistant] I don't know, he might not be. It's going to be dependent on, I don't know, what the Philadelphia Eagles are going to do at 6, and there's some other teams there, but you're right, I can see him going. I gotta, I'm not even worried about who's picking where yet and all that.


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[Assistant] He is a top 10 pick. There is no project. He's polished and he's got more physical ability than people are giving him credit for. I agree.


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[Assistant] The pure throwing is better than Trevor Lawrence, like I said.


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[Assistant] The absolute overall talent is not as good. And the, you know, of course, again, there's untapped potential with Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] The results of the results and sometimes we just gotta get over, you know, the other things that you hear or maybe what you see in the uniform or things like that and, uh, yeaah, big fan of Mac Jones.


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[Assistant] Like, of the guys of like, who you're not expecting, right, like I knew some of these, the guys we've talked about already, I already went like, oh, you know, I expected to see good, I didn't know how good it was all gonna look and all of that.


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[Assistant] Like, this is the guy that's like, not even on the radar, to where you just go...


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[Assistant] You know, again, it's a machine throwing the ball like Mac Jones. It's a machine. It's a machine. I don't understand why there is no talk about this guy. And I said on the show today with Mike Florio, I said, I promise you this is the guy I'm gonna get calls about.


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[Assistant] From my NFL friends today going, oh, I wish you wouldn't have said anything about him. What do you see that they don't see? Well, I don't know what there's not to see. Okay.


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[Assistant] You know, first off, listen, everybody pays attention to wins and stats. And I'm gonna go, but, so why does this not give, this guy went, lost one game in the SEC to Alabama.


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[Assistant] They won every other game the whole year. He was throwing 19 touchdown passes and three touchdowns. And you know me, I don't give a shit about stats. But everybody else does, and I don't understand, so why aren't we doing this for this guy? Uhm, and then the big thing is, like another guy, because I didn't want to say this, as a pure thrower,


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[Assistant] Consistency, control of the ball, all of those things.


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[Assistant] His arm, it's like Mac Jones. It is. Now, and his arm is more powerful than Mac Jones. He has got an unbelievable release. He can do what


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[Assistant] He has great command of the ball. You know, again, as a pure, consistent thrower, it's better than Trevor Lawrence. Just as a pure, every throw, bam, on the money, perfect spiral. Now, uh, I don't know why he's not getting more hype. He's 6'3", he's almost 220 pounds, okay?


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[Assistant] I just challenge anybody to go out there and watch this film and just go...


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[Assistant] Tell me what the issue is, and I know what some people are gonna, cause I always watch the worst games for everybody. I always go, in the LSU game, there were some issues there. First off, I wanted to say, Jimbo Fisher's offense is not like, I'm not like, oh wow, this is the great, it's good, don't get me wrong. But there is some predictability to it. I see it on film, and I see defenses see it. Cause there's,


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[Assistant] He never loses control of the ball. It's a very explosive arm. He's a little robotic. If you want to get into the negatives. Okay. And Kristen, I'm going to stand up one more time. A lot of standing today. I know, but I got it with these guys, but he's


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[Assistant] From a, from a delivery standpoint and things, he almost reminds me of Colin Kaepernick, alright, with the way he does it. But, he's more...


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[Assistant] But I mean that just because of the way he stands, that he holds the ball real up here and tight, right? I wish he would relax and just let it go a little bit, like a Zach Wilson or, I mean, cause, but still, the way he keeps it here, the mechanics are perfect every time.


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[Assistant] Is within the realm of his mechanics. Oh, I gotta throw a fade. Boom. Oh, perfect touch. You know, he shortens his arm. Oh, okay. It's an in-cut.


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[Assistant] And I got pressure around me. He's always legs are in the perfect spot. And he just boom. And it's zoom. I mean every time. It's on the screws. Every throw. It's very hard to find negative moments about him.


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[Assistant] Let alone, to me, the talent pops off the screen.


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[Assistant] I wish he would just play a little bit more backyard football. He's a phenomenal athlete, but he tries to sit in there in the pocket and he goes through reason. He's a good processor of information. And listen, somebody go out there and watch the Alabama game, the Florida game, you know, even the North Carolina game in the bowl game.


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[Assistant] You know, just tell me when he misses a throw or does anything, he throws a great on the run, he needs, like Mac Jones and Wilson, he needs no space around him to create power, to throw in cuts, he throws it in the tight windows, the command of the football is phenomenal.


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[Assistant] I mean, he is a, he's a top 20 pick for me. I was going to say, is he like a top half of the first round kind of thing? He's right in that range, right? The only thing is, you just, does he got the, can he loosen up a little bit?


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[Assistant] Can, you know, some of the guys we're about to talk to, about, you know, obviously I have Field and Trey Lance behind him, right?


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[Assistant] That problem of, I wish he would play a little backyard football more and not be so stiff. But like, it's textbook perfect form. It's textbook. It really is.


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[Assistant] Like, that's, those are easy, fixable things. I look at that and go, damn, he gets with the coach, they're gonna be able to, hey, one, two, three, get the hell out of the pocket, move, don't sit there and do that, you're too fast. I bet you he runs a high four-five or a low four-six. He's that kind of athlete.


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[Assistant] You know, he's, he's really special that way. And uhm, yeaah, to me, this is the guy that's totally been flying under the radar. And really, there's not, you know, you heard my negatives. That's all I got about him. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] That, that one right there, the Kellen Mond. Putting Mond ahead of those two guys? Zach Wilson, I, I watched Trevor Lawrence first. Yeah. I got done with Zach Wilson and went...


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[Assistant] He's better. There's no doubt about it. And I've gone, I did this all studied. Pete can tell you.


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[Assistant] And then I went back after just like a day or two off of it and went, I'm gonna rewatch them all again. And I came away again and just went, well, no, no, Zach Wilson is definitely better. I mean, whoa, it's not, he wins. He's the winner, winner, winner, winner, chicken dinner. That's not changing. Mond, hey, yeah, I guess.


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[Assistant] I had a fight with the narratives and Justin Fields and then it's, he's this big time player and I like Justin Fields and Trey Lance. You're going to hear, there are a lot of elite traits to like about these guys. Like I said, I like this group. It's, it's special. There's a lot of elite traits from all of them, but it became back to the thing I just said right there. Decision making.


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[Assistant] The consistency and control and power and the way he spins the ball. It's, it's, it's like what you saw with Mac Jones in person. It's every ball is perfect. Every ball is BAM. He doesn't need space to throw it.


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[Assistant] And he's a very good athlete and he's been in a system that is pro-ish, right? So, I love that. And his, like his problem, what I came back to, his problem that I don't like is a very easy fixable problem as compared to some of the problems I'm going to talk about with Justin Fields here in a second.


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[Assistant] Well, it's, it's, it's a lot of just like, you know, screen to the receiver, screen to the screiver.


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[Assistant] You know, an RPO, oh, okay, hey, it's a fade down the sideline, okay, I did a little play action fake and it's just a bomb down the middle, you know, where you get to see Kellen Mon go like, okay, out route, oh, crossing route, oh, in cut, okay, one, two, three, you get to see way more of that.


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[Assistant] Clemson, because of their talent and how they can force you into like, oh we gotta stop that.


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[Assistant] Justin Fields at 5. Right. Justin Fields, uhm, I think the first thing I would say, and let me just flip to my pages here.


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[Assistant] I got more notes on Justin Fields than anybody in here. Okay. Because there's things I like. He's got elite traits. He's got elite, you know, arm strength, pure power in his arm. Yep. I mean, it's, it's powerful. I mean, he can, he can throw a ball 70 yard post route and you just go, holy crap. That's great. So is that number one for him?


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[Assistant] The arm, no. I think the number one thing I would look at is go, he's built like Cam Newton, except he's two inches shorter. And he's special that way. And I'll also say his running is better than I think I realized just, you know, watching college football over the last few years. That was the one thing is I kept watching every game. I just went,


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[Assistant] Damn, he's a little more elusive and faster than I gave him credit for.


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[Assistant] He is a guy that you could like pull a guard and he could run behind it and like, he can take on a linebacker, no problem, he's bigger than a linebacker.


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[Assistant] There is raw ability there. There's no doubt about that. The arm is big time when he pieces it together. And that's the problem I had when he pieces it together. Very, very inconsistent that way. You know,


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[Assistant] Again, I think, I hope I've hit the positives. I love the size. There's a presence on the field. The athleticism's really good. He throws it


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[Assistant] Good on the run, but not great. Okay, because it's still, again, it goes back to some of the technique issues and there's inconsistency. He just tries to do it with pure talent sometimes. And then, I think on top of that, you know, the,


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[Assistant] A lot of wide open throws, and he's a one, right now at this point of his life, he's a one read thrower. It's the first guy's open, okay, great, I'll throw it. Ooh, the first guy's not open.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure what he's gonna do after that. There's a little too much of that, okay? So that, and not to that, again, I don't go like, oh, that's it.


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[Assistant] He's number five. That's it. He's not great. No. But that is a big deal. It is a big deal. You're right. I want to say, but that can be coachable too. And hey, Whitson, when you're playing at Ohio State and you're used to the damn guy you're throwing to, he's always open. Sometimes you just go wait.


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[Assistant] He's open every time I do this. Hold on, what's going on here? And he can fall into that trap, let alone, as we always talk about with great athletic quarterbacks sometimes, it's to get out of jail free card too. You know, like, okay, he's not open. My whole life, I've been able to now just run around and I'm gifted that way and I can make things happen. But I think here's the other thing that concerns me.


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[Assistant] When it gets bad throwing, it gets real bad.


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[Assistant] And when people are covered, you know, unlike a, like a Kellen Mann, this is what I love about Kellen Mann. His worst game was the LSU game. He never compounded mistakes.


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[Assistant] Like he took care of the football. He was still like, okay, fine. It's going to be a rough day. I'm not going to, it ain't going to be pretty. There was some drop passes there. It's LSU. There's talent. And he was capable in those situations of managing the game and still letting Texas A&M win the game, even though their offense and him might've not been on their best day, right?


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[Assistant] Justin Fields, there's a lot of plays where I go, woah my, woah don't do that, woah that's-


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[Assistant] Decision and decision more than not when that first guy wasn't open and if he was playing a defense that okay they could cover you just go oh no don't don't do that or you know that's that's just reckless and then I can get into the accuracy thing and there's a lot of


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[Assistant] You're kind of getting good, okay? Don't steal my job, alright? But here, they're, they're, then Kristen, I'm going to stand up again. There's two things. I'm going to hit on that in one second. The other thing is, you know, the arm can be, again, I use the phrase as an independent contractor. It can be too floppy and all arm to where I'm going to stand up where


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[Assistant] You know, he can just be locked right here. He doesn't move anything. And it's just, it's all, it's all this, right? It's all this. It's just that, that again, okay, there might be some games where you just go, he's throwing rifles today. But then that's not a technique.


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[Assistant] So now that day you don't have it, and there's some games this year where he doesn't have it, and the ball flutters, and there's...


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[Assistant] You know, easy completions and you're like, that guy couldn't get his hand on the ball. The ball went literally five feet over and it was a six yard shallow cross or the guy was on the sidelines at 10 yards and


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[Assistant] What you just said scared the hell out of me. And when you look at the Northwestern game,


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[Assistant] The Alabama game. I know people are gonna look at the Clemson game and go, well he was awesome in that game. There's still a number of throws in that game where I go,


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[Assistant] No, the quarterback, I'd be pissed if the quarterback in Rand Paul High School missed those throws. You know, I know he's got the deep post and all of that. And he throws a rifle that's not even the greatest decision for like a little curl route to the tight end in the end zone. Where I, you know, so I know there's some highlight plays there. But I also go, man, there's a few short throws and shallow crosses where


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[Assistant] If he just puts it anywhere here, the guy's gonna run for a 50 yard touchdown or you know, even a go route where you know I'm into this too. It's a go route. The guy should catch it and just walk in the end zone and they gotta stop and they fall down or it's over here and they fall down. So there's yards left on the field. And to your point,


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[Assistant] There's just too many moving parts at times. That's what, you know, like, go back to golf. You know, hey, yeah, the guy that reaches back and does this, yeah, he might hit a 350 down the middle, but I guarantee you're gonna play a few rounds of them where he does that and you're gonna go, well, yeah, you hit a 280 and we're three holes over now. It's over there on that fairway. And that's where,


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[Assistant] It becomes a baseball pitcher at times and you're exactly right with the foot thing. That really, that really scared me. There's too many, uh,


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[Assistant] He knew like, ooh, I don't like to throw this route. I'm not consistent. I don't want to throw it. Let me look for something else or let me run. And that bothered me too. But you're exactly right. Listen, again, you, you mentioned the names when you talk about Brady Rogers, Mahomes, uh, Josh Allen, Zach Wilson.


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[Assistant] It's not like this. Their arms doesn't do this and go to here.


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[Assistant] No, I hate that. You're not gonna be good that way. You're not. The good ones are, and you see, we've seen Brady warms up like this, doing like this cross thing. I can't remember if he goes that, but it's a cross and it stays in this slot the whole time. It's over here. And yes, there's too much


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[Assistant] There's raw physical talent and ability. Quite a bit of it.


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[Assistant] He was, he was phenomenal. He makes some big time throws. There's no doubt. There's no doubt. But like I said,


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[Assistant] Some of the, even the quality of the ball and some of the throws that were missing that game, I, I, listen, I know, I just, but I still go, damn, I don't like that he missed that and missed it by that much. You know, that, that bothers me. His best thing is, and his mechanics are best, when he launches it.


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[Assistant] When he throws it deep, and you give him opportunities to that, he pieces it together. He then gets into, like,


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[Assistant] He's turning his shoulder and doing those things because now I can't throw at 60 yards just doing that, right? You can't, he can't do it just, oh, I'm gonna cock my arm and throw it. So now all of a sudden he realizes like, whoa, I gotta get my legs in this.


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[Assistant] And if he could learn how to throw 10 yard curl routes and 20 yard incuts. Because that's the NFL right there. That's the NFL. That's the majority of his throws. The teams that I said this morning, I'll say it again.


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[Assistant] Who were the final four quarterbacks in the NFL playoffs this year?


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[Assistant] Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers. Okay, there you go.


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[Assistant] The game is still about getting in the pocket and making big time throws. You're not gonna be able to run around and do all of that stuff against the best defenses in football when it comes to playoff times and doing those things. Though that, you still gotta be able to do that type of stuff.


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[Assistant] I love the raw physical bit of it, like we talked about. There's some technical issues you gotta worry about. Yep. And yeaah, there's some things, you know, reading the field and things that I think you gotta worry about, definitely. You know, it's gonna be the third Ohio State quarterback and I don't know if they teach this or not.


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[Assistant] Knowledge of blitz, you know, that is another thing I wrote in my notes. I don't think there's any knowledge of like, oh, I'm hot off this guy. There's too many plays where I go, he's sitting there and he's got no idea that, you know, there's two guys off the edge that are free. Now he might make the miss or then he recognizes they get close and he might get the ball out of his hands and do things like that.


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[Assistant] But there was lack of recognition there. Hey, they're talented. They make the game easy for the quarterback, which I like, and all of those things. But that leads to, yes, not necessarily realisticness in the NFL. So that's where he's a little raw.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so he's gonna have to get with a guy, and this is where personal workouts and knowing a guy is going to come important, be important for a guy like this. Is it in him to work at it?


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[Assistant] Is he, is he that kind of guy that recognizes his flaws? And at the pro day, what's it look like? Has he fixed some of these issues already?


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[Assistant] And as we go through the throw day, like to me, that would be a guy where I'd go, if I'm working him out, you're not getting out of there with 40 or 50 throws. We're going to see 150 throws. I'm going to see if you fall apart and revert back to what the issues I saw. And I think that would be a big part. And that's where it's going to be really important for this.


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[Assistant] I think he's a first round talent. He's an elite, he has elite traits. But I think he's gotta go to a place where...


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[Assistant] You know, one, you're either gonna have to say, okay, we're gonna play him as a rookie and we're gonna have to play a certain way at first. We're gonna have to use the threat of his running and things like that to get defenses to respect that and now we can make easy throws for him and do all that and we'll let him develop as a passer as we go or two,


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[Assistant] Go to a place like the Pittsburgh Steelers and you get to be behind Big Ben and let's just work on this guy. Let's have a year where this guy can work and just work on being a quarterback, you know, that kind of thing. That to me is what he is. He's a little bit of a raw project and I wouldn't expect him to come in next year in the NFL and be throwing lasers and picking defenses apart quite yet.


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[Assistant] Then I'm not going to be happy. I'm going to go, ooh, that's, I mean, just to me, that's, I'm just going to go, well, that's risky. You know, hopefully they saw something in a personal workout and knowing the guy that they bought into it. But from what I see on the field and what I evaluate, I'd go, ooh man, top 10. Okay, fine. Let's see what happens.


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[Assistant] He has more consistency in his mechanics than Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] You know, really as a thrower, I think I like him better than Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] The biggest thing and the biggest negative with Trey Lance right off the bat is just he hasn't played enough. One game this year, you know, and even the year before, you know, yeah, they played and they were awesome and they dominated one double A. It's not a lot of throats. I mean, you know, that's that to me.


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[Assistant] That's a nice post route. That's a nice push route. It's a lot of that kind of stuff, and it's a lot of, again, what I would say, one read throws, where I'd go, hey, they've game planned it, they run the ball well, and they've told him, hey, come out and play action, and we've got this, and throw that 50-yard laser down the middle, and we'll have them open, and he'll hit it, definitely.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a lot of that. You don't get to see progression reads or picking people apart from the pocket and doing that. Uhm, and again, he's a phenomenal runner. He's probably the best, most gifted runner.


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[Assistant] That's gonna be, that's gonna be his issue, I think. As people dive in more and more, they're just gonna go, man, he just hasn't thrown enough. He hasn't played enough. I don't get to see enough evidence to go, oh, I can buy into him being a top 15 or top 20 pick. So as Big Snow asks, so


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the one game this year was, it was not impressive. You know, he threw the ball actually in that game as bad as I've seen him throw the ball. So that, but I go back to the year before, of course, and I've watched just about every throw.


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[Assistant] No doubt. The arm is explosive. Okay? And Kristen, I'd like to stand up one more time for the last time today. And...


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[Assistant] Like, the way he keeps his body in position and things like that, I like it better than Justin Fields. You know, he doesn't get into long striding. He keeps his feet underneath him all the time in the spots that we talked about. It's always like this, right?


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[Assistant] He even gets a little sway with the shoulder, a little rhythm where he kind of does this and gets ready to throw. I have no problem with that. I like that. You know, you watch Aaron Rodgers, he'll throw a ball and he'll drop back and go,


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[Assistant] Like that, right? He'll do that. He'll go, I'm going to create that opposite. I'm going to throw a rifle so hard. Well, Lance does that, but there's one little difference and I'd like to see him tweak this and I think it's easy. He does this, but then he tries to come and he goes over the top and I want to see this and come around. That's what I want to see.


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[Assistant] Over the top. That's, that to me is again like you're talking about with like, it gets into this motion a little bit. Yeaah. But he controls the ball better than Justin Fields and more consistently. It's just...


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[Assistant] It's lack of throws, lack of playing, and all of those type of things to where...


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[Assistant] I don't know if he goes in the first round because of that. I think he might be a guy where a team feels good and goes, you know what, we'll take a shot at him in the second round. And you know, he's got talent and we just gotta, we gotta get him reps. We gotta get him reading the field and going through progressions and we just gotta get him more throws. I mean, he has some games where he drops back and only throws the ball in like the teams.


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[Assistant] There's less, you know, love got to play an offense where at least he went through reads and did some of that stuff.


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[Assistant] And man, I mean, love, when he pieced it together, you'd go, woo, man, that was an awesome throw. But...


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[Assistant] I'll say this, I actually think this guy might be a little more consistent. Love.


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[Assistant] As I dove into it more and more last year, there was just too many games where I just went, okay, great throw, but now it's, whoa, it's been five throws in a row where the ball has just exploded on him, like exploded in a bad way, like it's a wobbler and it wasn't that impressive.


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[Assistant] I really didn't see that. I did not. You know, I saw some missed throws here and there, but again, it was within the realm of those mechanics that I talked about. And the ball does come out of his hand clean a lot, like perfect spirals. I mean, most throws, it really does. It's very few.


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[Assistant] You know, like I said, the one game in 2020 was really the worst game I saw him throw the ball other than that. So, uh, they're both raw talents and they're similar body style. Lance is a more athletic runner and


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[Assistant] I gave Fields the advantage of because he's played more and he's played in a lot of different situations and there's gonna be some value to that. Let alone, I do think his size and running is going to immediately translate to the NFL. Trey Lance, yea, you're gonna be able to do some things.


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[Assistant] But he's not like a big thick frame to where I go, you're not gonna run like pulling guard and let him do that type of stuff.


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[Assistant] But again, if you wanted to play Tray Lance early, I think you're gonna have to play a certain way at first as he develops into a better passer and starts to pick you apart that way.


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[Assistant] And like, you know, in love with that stuff, unless to me it's so apparent, and this one is that apparent, to where I just go,


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[Assistant] Man, they've run the ball 20 times in a row now. Okay, now he got to throw a middle post down the middle. Okay, great. You know, just even the way they called the games as far as


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[Assistant] Uh, that's gonna be why those guys get paid a ton of money. And to me that's again where it's gonna get a little bit into the personal aspect.


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[Assistant] Of the workouts, the person. Harder to get to know them this year too. It is, it's harder to get to know them.


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[Assistant] I would trust the guy that played a little bit more and played in some big time games and understands pressure of situations and still again,


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[Assistant] I know, I'm picky in all of that. There's still a lot of good on Justin Fields. You're still going to be able to look at certain games and go, well, he's got it in this game. Look at this one rifle and this great throws. Ooh, man, it looks good. Right. It's just like, so like I said, some of those other games and moments where it would just, it would scare the crap out of me.


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[Assistant] Maybe, maybe. Listen, it's really close. Like I said, that was the one I really picked up. But I'll just say this. I got Zach Wilson number one, and he's number one. He's on a tier to me by himself.


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[Assistant] And then there is Trevor Lawrence, and you know, Mack Jones and Kellen Munn are very close there, right there too. But I think Zach has clearly won, I think Trevor


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[Assistant] Is not as clearly, er, not as a huge a gap as from two to three as I was expecting in this process because Mack, Mack was special. Mack was damn good, a lot better than I expected. But Trevor Lawrence is my number two. My one, two, three, and four are not changing. They're not.


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[Assistant] Cajunas and the guts to do something like that as a human being. I do think that. I think if you made me bet money


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[Assistant] I would go, no, they're gonna pick Trevor Lawrence one. Listen, there's more that goes into this. You've heard me, I think Zach Wilson's the best quarterback in the NFL draft. You're not gonna hear me change. It is written in stone. That's it. But Trevor Lawrence is still really damn good. And he is godly in that part of the country.


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[Assistant] He grew up in Georgia. He was the number one recruit. It's South Carolina Clemson, right? It's, he is, and of course, it's, he's got, like a, like a, uh, uh, uh, Tuba or some of those other guys. It's like a cult-like following a little bit. It's like, oh my god, he's, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, he's gonna be a huge draw. People are gonna wanna go see, oh my gosh, Trevor Lawrence, he grew up right down the road in Georgia. Whoa, we saw him come in here to SEC country and whoop the shit out of certain teams and beat out LeBamas of the world and all that.


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[Assistant] That, that's where, I guess if you made me bet, I don't think they got the balls to take Zach Wilson is what I'm saying. Sorry, Jacksonville, I don't mean to be personal there, but I don't think Trent Balke or, or, uh, Urban Meyer are gonna have the balls to do that.


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[Assistant] No, I, this is, this is tough. I, I, I honestly, I would go out of these guys, I would go Zach Wilson 1 out of all of them. Ahead of Burrow?


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, I would. Wow. Yeah. Listen, I'm amazed by what I'm saying. And Herbert.


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[Assistant] I am. I mean, we're trying to go from last year. And I already told you, I like Herbert better than I did Trevor Lawrence this year. Yep. I do.


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence has the advantage of being a little more athletic, certainly, like a better scrambler, better runner. But Justin Herbert's throwing, as was verified this season, is off the charts. And that's what I saw on film last year. It's off the charts. It's never a misthrow, really. I mean, all of that. So uhm, I would say that...


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[Assistant] I do. Wilson's ahead of both of them. I'm blown away by Wilson. I see Superstar in Zach Wilson. I really do. He would be the main guy.


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[Assistant] The whole class, yeaah. The whole class are these top guys, yes. You know, I, I like, I like...


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[Assistant] Mac Jones better than Tua. I do, I think I made that pretty clear. And I got a lot of hate on social media about that last week, like, why are you bringing Tua into this?


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[Assistant] Because they were both quarterbacks from Alabama. It's a very easy comparison to make. It's impossible not to make. That guy was the sixth pick of the draft, and I think this guy is better. So yes, like get over it. I mean I'm just so sick of it. And I'm not gonna lie, I like Kellen Maughan better than Tua. So there we go.


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[Assistant] There's more untapped potential, I think, with those guys, but they can't...


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[Assistant] They can't play the position quite as clean as Tua did and do those things. You know, as much as I did, you know, Tua still went through Reeves and it was a pretty accurate thrower. You know, my issues with Tua was there wasn't a lot of like wow throws. Or when people were closer than in the pocket,


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[Assistant] You know, there wasn't a lot of like, oh man, the pockets collapsed. He still hit the 20 yard incut. There wasn't a lot of that. That was my big issue with it. Or it was, you know, Tua was one of those that was, he was a good enough athlete in college to where he could look at one and then scramble around and do those things. But I always thought,


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[Assistant] He's not going to get away with that in the NFL. It's not that special and gifted that way. So that's my thought there.


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[Assistant] Oh, as a whole, I can't tell, I can't answer that yet. You know, I, I'm really just diving into wide receivers. So I need to, I need to, you need to give me another few weeks here and I'll be able to explain that a little bit more.


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[Assistant] Okay, sorry. That's a case, as a whole, I like, I like this class, because I think, legitimately, like, the six guys we just mentioned, like,


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[Assistant] They all, they all have some, they all have elite traits.


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[Assistant] You know, and I couldn't say that about six guys last year. There's no way. Right. So there, there's some things here where even as much as I'm, I picked apart fields and lands, I still go unreal arm, unreal athlete.


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[Assistant] That's, that's the makeup. Alright, get your ass ready. Football the lacrosse now. Here you go. Yep, that's it everybody. You know where to find me.


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[Assistant] Uh, hope everybody enjoyed. Hope you liked the breakdown. Again, we're gonna continue talking quarterbacks next week. I'm gonna get Big Phil in here, probably Monday too, to talk to us a little. So he can talk, we have some conversations. Everybody be good. Have a good weekend. Peace out. You the man, Paulie B. Alright, good to see you, man.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] Either way, bucks win. We're gonna take, when we return, division around prop. Boy, that really. Yea, that's gonna hurt your voice. How has he done it all day?


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[Assistant] Here's the important question, because as we talked about last week, you kind of have this golden ticket in your pocket heading into the weekend, like I've got a little bit of work to do. It doesn't have to dominate my weekend, but I've got a list. I can always tinker with it. Did you use it to get out of any kind of duty around the house? No, no.


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[Assistant] She's, she's alright with that. I also need to point out about two or three weeks ago, I said after the draft, I'm like, Chris, like, you're done ranking people. Like, what are you gonna do without rankings in your life? And I forgot that this was like our whole summer.


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[Assistant] If you're a GM, you're taking all these guys for a one-year contract.


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[Assistant] I got your list last night from Pete, so I went to number 40, Case Keenum, started, you know, reading around, and it kind of like, get my mind thinking about him for a while, because I hadn't done it really last season, because he, for the first time in a long time, he wasn't really playing. He was ready to play, but he didn't get out there. And it's interesting, when you look at his last five or six years,


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[Assistant] Since 2016, this is his fifth team. So he's gone from team to team to team to team. He's been in a new city, new team, new coach, new quarterback in front of him or behind him. You're right. Every year, but now this year.


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[Assistant] He's not moving. He's in the same city. He doesn't have to learn a new offense. Kevin Stefanski is back. He has a relationship with Baker Mayfield. So I would trust him too. I may trust him even a little more this year because he's entering the situation that was the same last year. And he hasn't said that for years. Oh, I know.


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[Assistant] Such a fine line when your, your statement about a quarterback is, I think we can do better. And he, he was kind of that kind of guy. That's what people felt about him. Had the little run of magic in Minnesota. But then he's got that stigma attached. But then you go from starter,


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[Assistant] Final question or thought about him. He was 32 last year. Yeah, so he moved down. Is this a reflection of that? He didn't play last year or that? Hey, I really like these young quarterbacks in the league. It is even a backup. I like is going to get bumped right now.


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[Assistant] I love what you're doing here coming up with the, with these next, uh, next three, next handful of picks here. Yes, yes. We are going to get a little younger.


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[Assistant] I'll give you dealer's choice here to your list. Do you want to get right to some of these pictures, some of the issues with his mechanics, or do you want to talk him with the bears first and then get to some of the issues?


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[Assistant] Those of you who can't see, he's ready to throw the ball, Chris, and his stride is... Thank you.


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[Assistant] Because at that point your weight is way out here and the weight you want behind it to drive the ball is gone.


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[Assistant] I think it's, it's a real legitimate, a number of legitimate things to bring up. And I always like to compare something, whether it's good or bad, to what is good in the NFL. And pick out a quarterback in the top 10. Let's talk about the top couple of guys. Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes. Their release is different, but two things they have in common. No wasted motion in


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[Assistant] And they also don't have long strides. No. And it's all about balance and weight distribution. When you're talking about consistent accuracy where the windows aren't very big.


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[Assistant] If you have a lot of play up top to rein in, if you have a lot of play on the bottom with your legs, your balance is tough.


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[Assistant] Your weight distribution and power is really difficult too. So as I'm listening to you, I'm just trying to think of like, what are easy ways to think about why this matters? And it matters with balance when you have a lot of play up top and a lot of play on the bottom. It's hard to put it together.


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[Assistant] Week one, one thing we can do now that we couldn't do in March and April when talking about them, attach kind of what we picture to what their schedule is going to be. People think, hey, just start him right away. Week one at the Rams, maybe the best defense in the league. You think he should be the guy right away?


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[Assistant] I would think unless there's some major red flags from now until the start of the season, whether it's in the off-season or the pre-season.


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[Assistant] You start him, even though it is the Rams and that's a tough one you mentioned.


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[Assistant] He's played well on the big stage. He's not afraid of it. And if you are, if you're Nagy or Pace, the head coach or GM, if you go 1-3 in September with Justin Fields as your quarterback, the heat is not as much as if you go 1-3 with Andy Dalton. You may as well get that started right away.


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[Assistant] So you could start the upward trajectory, the ascent a little bit, kind of build toward that.


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[Assistant] Each one of these quarterbacks, we're going to talk about these rookie quarterbacks coming up here, whether it's today or further down the list. They all have their unique situations around them that make their situations different than the other guy or other guys. But this one really stands out to me because


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[Assistant] You look at San Francisco and what they gave up to get him. Talk about maybe some of the, you know, Justin Fields fans are going to want to see him.


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[Assistant] But they gave up to future first, they swapped first round positions this year. So there they are, they get this guy. But Jimmy Garoppolo is pretty good.


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[Assistant] When he's healthy. The defense is really good. They're a team that can think about playing deep into January, so.


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[Assistant] Look at all you gave up. So, I mean, how much will what they gave up to get him, like, have to do with his, you know, kinda how he's used or not used this year?


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[Assistant] And played, went healthy. Plays good. And minus a couple big moments and huge games, which is hard to erase. I know. That's harder to erase than the injuries, because sometimes that's just bad luck. But the majority of time went healthy. He's been good. I know.


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[Assistant] 39 Justin Fields, rookie to the Bears. 38 Trey Lance, rookie to the Niners. And getting us to number 37. Rookie run here.


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[Assistant] Draft rankings! This is your, from Fields to Lance to Mon, your sixth, fifth, and fourth best record. Exactly right.


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[Assistant] We talked about so far, Fields and Lance and Naumann. He might be in the best. You said perfect.


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[Assistant] Let's attach what you said about him being the most anathelic ready in this class, besides Mack Jones, to maybe a real life situation in October. Let's say, for whatever reason, whether it's how the starter's playing in front of them or injuries, let's say Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Kellan Mott are all starting.


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[Assistant] Mid-October, yeaah. You have the most confidence that Milan's going to play better than those two?


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[Assistant] I thought about this, this real life situation. Some version of it probably happened inside the Buccaneers, uh, drafting room there. So last pick of the second round. Yeaah. Okay, Kyle Trask is there, Kellen Mond is there.


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[Assistant] Whether they did it on draft night or two months before, two days before, they had to think, okay, if we're gonna go quarterback and these two guys are there, we like Trask more than Mon because of this.


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[Assistant] Put yourself in that spot. Where do you, what kind of descriptions or evaluations are you picturing?


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[Assistant] His numbers, one game last year, 17 out of 28 to 26 touchdown to pick, those were his season numbers. First time in six years he didn't start a single game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he, uh, first of all, they were super excited about him, not just as a backup. His potential to beat out Derrick Carr. They think a lot of him there. There was a point there this spring where he restructured his deal. Made it more cap friendly. I thought they were getting ready to deal him to a team.


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[Assistant] You know he has a really similar background to him in terms of where he was drafted, how he played, how he produced. His reputation is different, but Trubisky, it's very similar. Your first round pick, I went back and looked at their numbers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he was playing really well all year long. You mentioned Jameis Winston. Yeah. And Marcus is always going to be grouped with him. They came in 1-2 back in 2015. Moving forward, if you had to have one of those guys kind of starting for a whole season, which one?


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[Assistant] It's nice to be doing this in the same place. Remember last year, I was in my basement. You were somewhere in your house. Thank God. I was thinking about that as we're talking about one of these guys. I'm like, well, a year ago, I know we were in a much different place. We're literally right direction. Yeah, it's nice to get this right here.


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[Assistant] You give me something to, uh, to listen to on the flight back on, uh, Wednesday night. On the west coast. Alright. 35 through 31. Alright, 35 through 31. Where you, what are you doing out there on the west coast? Uh, going to LA, spending time with, uh, the U.S. water polo team. Wow, okay. My Olympic sports. You gonna, you gonna get in the pool at all? You know what, I've thought about it. I don't think they've thought about it.


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[Assistant] I don't think they call it a shower cap. Oh, no, they don't. Yeah, cap. Okay. Cap with a number on it. Small cap. Small cap with a small number for the play-by-play guy to see there. Oh, yeah. Good luck with that. Seriously. I don't know. I don't know if I can sell that.


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[Assistant] Amazingly poor. That's what that would be. I think it could be really good. So I'll be flying back, fully clothed, Wednesday night. I'll take a listen. Have you ever played water polo? No, it's a nasty...


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[Assistant] I can't even imagine treading water and doing that for that long. First of all, just picture like swimming and treading water for an hour. Okay, I mean just like without somebody defending you.


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[Assistant] Okay, then you have someone trying to drag you down. Yes. And watch during the Olympics. We have a camera underwater. The type of shit that goes down under the water, in water polo, men and women is insane. I bet. Yeaah. They have penalties?


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[Assistant] There's nothing for what's going on underneath. Okay. You can imagine because like the referees aren't watching the monitor. So they gotta be careful maybe.


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[Assistant] And you're going back later? One of my favorite images in Rio. So, like, in, uh, Serbia and Hungary, like that part of Europe, they're really, really good at water polo. And they have, like, grown men playing. Like, we have kids just out of UCLA or Stanford or Cal, 38-year-olds, okay, in the Speedo.


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[Assistant] Hair everywhere. This guy in between matches was sitting smoking a cigarette.


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[Assistant] This is water polo. Yeaah. Yeaah, that's amazing. I'll try and get a shot. Alright. Something like that. Bring back to the pod. You mean with you and the weenie bikini, smoking a cigarette. I was talking about the lighter one. That's what we won!


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[Assistant] If I actually get that done and excited to come back, I don't know. If you get that done,


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, that's right. I didn't even know that little tid that I learned today on Pro Football Talk Live. But the year gave it away.


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[Assistant] When he said 79, I mean, of course that goes right to my father's, you know, brain right there. I'm just like, wait, Big Phil, right? I mean, that's a, so when he first said it, like non-FCS or, you know, division one quarterback, first guy I thought of was Steve McNair.


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[Assistant] Right, but then he said, right, but then he said 79, and I quickly was like going through the Rolodex of the 80s, and I'm like, man, I don't remember anybody in the 80s, or really the rest of the 90s, other than McNair, that was a, you know, one double A quarterback, so, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, some of how these teams, how they approached it, everything like that. I'm glad it's over because I'm glad I don't have to watch any more film. And now I can just sit back and react and talk ball. It is great. So I got like a huge piece of my workload like done for the year and now I can just be Johnny news guy, which is great.


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[Assistant] Oh, I, I really, I really was. And like, yeaah, when in, uhm, Saturday or Friday night at the end of the draft, I was as tired as I've ever been.


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[Assistant] And I just think it all finally caught up to me. Just, you know, hey, my life, watching players, ranking them, I'm talking and texting to a million different people around the NFL all the time when it gets close to the draft and all that stuff.


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[Assistant] And I was literally Friday night when they were getting to the end of round three. I mean, I'm never a doze off kind of guy at the end of a sporting event.


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[Assistant] I was, I was like, had food in my lap, and literally like, nodding off, going, okay, like, alright, let's change a seat, let's get up, and like, did your family see it? My wife kinda saw it, she's like, are you passing out over there?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's getting there though. It's getting there. I mean, yeah. I'm becoming the old guy in the house. You're going to bed already now, dad?


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[Assistant] He's a little vacation time. He's on, he's, uh, down on the east coast with mom. I think my brother's there with his wife. Uh, so they're living the good life, but he's going to take 15, 20 minutes out. You know, he needs to take a break from the sun.


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[Assistant] Right, well, I think like, right off the bat, I mean, okay, so Trey Lam- I mean, uh, Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson are not in that conversation. I expect them to start from day one. There's not gonna be any, I think- They don't count. They don't count, right.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm gonna take Mac Jones out of there right now. I do have faith in Cam and that team that that year, his year will be good enough. You think Cam plays the whole year? That he'll play the whole year. I'm gonna say that right off the bat. So now that leaves us to two. And that's the, the Trey Lance or the Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] I'm really, you know my thoughts, I'm a little worried about Justin Fields the player. I am. I have my worries about Trey Lance as well.


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[Assistant] Alright? But I think where I get into, it's one of these two guys where I also worry is I'm not sure what the 49ers are going to do with Jimmy Garoppolo and all that. And I do think they're a good football team. And if they did start Jimmy Garoppolo to start the year,


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[Assistant] It might be good enough to never really get the chance to be the starting guy. Right. That's where I worry about it. Right. You know, maybe he comes in and does some Taysom Hill quarterback run stuff.


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[Assistant] Like, dispel Drew Brees every now and then, so, hey, we'll get him used to playing quarterback in the NFL, but I don't know if he's gonna take over. They could be 3-1 after the first four games. That's what I'm, that's what I, that's what I worried about. That's one of the things I brought up of like, the quarterback draft and keeping Jimmy Garoppolo around anyway, you know, either way, whoever it was.


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[Assistant] And going and being a high seed in the playoffs, and then it's like...


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[Assistant] Okay, you drafted a guy at three, and here's two out of three years, the guy that you want to get rid of is taking you deep into the playoffs. You know, once to the Super Bowl and that, so that's where...


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[Assistant] It really becomes an interesting conversation. And where in Chicago, I just go, come on, it's Andy Dalton. The place is gonna be going crazy for Justin Fields. It's only a matter of time for sure before he gets in there. What if they're one and two?


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[Assistant] Then it's, the Bears fans are gonna storm Soldier Field and burn it down and be like, what the hell, it's Andy Dahl, let's move on to phase two here.


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[Assistant] So I'm gonna go with Justin Fields because of those reasons. I'll give you that. I'm a little worried about Fields. Anybody that knows me, yeaah. I worry about the throwing aspect.


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[Assistant] But, where I think it could be Justin Herbert-ish, at least from the theme, is they're gonna go, they'll go all in on Justin Fields' run game, fake speed sweeps, read option, all that type of stuff, to hopefully help him develop, and I still think that's gonna be more exciting to the Bears fans.


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[Assistant] I don't know if there's a true Justin Herbert of this year's draft, but if you want me to go apples to apples scenario there, it is Trey Lancer, Justin Fields, but as we sit here right now,


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[Assistant] Like player for player, I would bet it's Trey Lance. But the situation scares me. So I'm gonna go with Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with the guy who just took over like a bangles like dysfunctional franchise. And that's, I'm gonna go with Zach Wilson. I am. I mean, listen, I know Trevor Lawrence. I thought you were gonna say Trevor Lawrence. Yup, I know. And you know, I think he will shine too. I do. It's not about that. I guess what I'm looking more as like


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[Assistant] Nobody ever expects a Jets rookie quarterback to succeed. Just like we don't really ever expect the Bengals to have a quarterback to succeed. We're always kinda just like, alright, when's the floor gonna fall out and when is shit gonna go bad?


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[Assistant] And I still think there's people who question, you know, Zach Wilson and, oh, the Jets always mess everything up and are they doing the right stuff here and is he big enough and all those type of things. So I'm going to go with Zach Wilson to be that guy because it's more of a,


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[Assistant] Can this guy get this organization out of this funk?


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[Assistant] And give us some positive vibes. That's how I look at Joe Burrow. Right. That's what Joe Burrow did. He changed our overall thought of the Bengals. And that's where I think Zach will, you know, there's no thought about Jacksonville. We know there's still a young franchise that's, you know, been finding their way here and there. And that's why I just go with Zach Wilson. They're not, not an indictment on Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] I mean, I know I'm copping out here a little bit. Alright, I'm copping out. I'm gonna give two. Good set up, good set up. I know, I'm, I'm copping out. But, again, I'm just, I'm, I'm talking this out as we go. It's both North Carolina running back.


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[Assistant] Jovante Williams, right, gets picked by the Denver Broncos who make a trade up. They got Royce Freeman, they got Melvin Gordon, you know, they're gonna make it a committee thing at first.


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[Assistant] They traded assets up in the second round to get this guy. Right. As long as he doesn't fumble or really like shit the bed, I would think eventually he's gonna become the guy there.


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[Assistant] Something like that, right. Fumbling issue, which has been a thing there. So that's why I say him, that offensive line, I think they want this type of running back, a guy who's gonna come downhill and take on hits and be physical between the tackles. But of course, Michael Carter with the Jets is another one that I'd throw out there.


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[Assistant] You know, they got, uh, um, um, Tevin Coleman, uh, missing somebody else off the top of my brain on their roster right now, and Michael Carter, and I'll come up with that in a second here.


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[Assistant] The thing with Michael, oh Michael, Michael P Ryan, exactly right, thank you. That's why Pete gets paid the big bucks. Like I can see them rotating all three of those at first.


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[Assistant] It's only a matter of time before Michael Carter establishes himself as Devontae Freeman or the Raheem Mozart of the Shanahan scheme, I think, to where they go, hey, these guys are good and all that, but this guy is awesome. Let's get him out there and let him be the main guy. I'm going to take Devontae Williams as the main guy, but I think


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[Assistant] I'm going Nagy Harris. I mean, I've had my questions about him. Anybody that's been listening to me, I mean, not that I don't think he can be a good player, but I don't know if he's going to live up to the 24th pick of the draft rating right away. You know, that's where I do question it. I know we can catch the ball out of the backfield and do all those things. He's got sweet feet.


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[Assistant] But as I mentioned before, I know he's such a big guy, he doesn't necessarily dominate the run game with power, and he's not exactly like we've talked about at the time, the most explosive running back in football either. So that's the one I guess I'd go with more than any, because I do expect big things from Travis.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean the ones you saw drafted round four and earlier.


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[Assistant] We're the guys. And they were clearly a gap. And I think it's the right four. That's the one thing I'll sit here and tell you for sure. You know, there was no questions about their physical ability. I don't think there was anything off the field that they had to worry about. The only one I'll say that I think


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[Assistant] Was maybe a little bit, and I think he went later in round four too, was the Ramondre Stevenson, the Patriots. He'd be the one guy I'd look at to go, watch out for him. He could, he could have something said. He reminded me of...


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[Assistant] Well, this is one where I don't have to dig too deep because I had a top 5 running back who didn't get drafted. And that's Javion Hawkins, who...


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[Assistant] He picked the right team in free agency. Where's he going? He's going to Atlanta. Hmm. Who's got really nothing at running back.


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[Assistant] We're talking about Mike Davis, quadriolison from Pittsburgh a few years ago when we were doing Notre Dame games, right? I mean, it's not a, like, there's not a guy there. And then you're in an offense that, ooh, wait, they like to run the ball. Arthur Smith just came from Tennessee and all of that.


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[Assistant] I am. I had Jamar Devante written down. I mean, they're, they're such studs. You know, you got to take into a lot of factors here. Yes. Like Devante, as awesome as I think he is, I mean, yeah, I, I, Jalen Hurts at quarterback, that passing offense. I just, I need to see more.


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[Assistant] Jaylen Watto, great pick, makes a lot of sense for the Dolphins at pick 6. But, I-


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[Assistant] Two, I just would like to see a little bit more of two in that offense first before I say that's gonna be the guy that takes over. Jamar Chase to me is first off just the most physically gifted and


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[Assistant] They showed last year that they're, they're willing to throw the ball as much as they gotta throw the ball. Plus he's going with a quarterback that he's got a special connection with. And hey, they took him at pick five.


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[Assistant] And they got two big receivers that kind of play out the outside. I just think Chase is going to be a focal point on the inside a lot. Just get him the ball, let him run after the catch. You know, of course he can play outside because he's so strong and fast. But yeah, I mean, I know it's the obvious answer. I have some others written down definitely, but Jamar Chase is the one.


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[Assistant] Offense that I think is gonna have a lot of rules that were similar to what he had in college. You know, Joe Brady's west coast offense.


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[Assistant] You know, this offense that they're running in Cincinnati is a west coast offense. That's what it is. It's a McVeigh, Shanahan-ish.


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[Assistant] That jump out here to me, that are in like, really good situations, okay? I'm just gonna name off the names I at least have on the list here, and I'm gonna go down to one, eventually.


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[Assistant] De'Ami Brown, certainly, with Washington. I mean, it's Curtis Samuel and Terry McLaurin. It's unreal. I mean, he's Terry McLaurin. That's what he is. That's where I want to go. Again, I'm amazed that he was still there at three. So there's those guys. Terrace Marshall Jr. from LSU. Tutu Atwell.


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[Assistant] Even though I don't think he deserved to be drafted by De'Ami Brown, I understand what the Rams are doing. The Rams are an 11-personel team. Three back, three wide receivers, one back, one tight end.


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[Assistant] Tootoo Atwell now can be like this dangerous speed sweep guy that we know that they run more than anybody. So I understand that. He did it in college, he's dangerous as hell. That's what they saw and they went, whoa, he can be our option slot guy and that guy, let's get him. So that's another one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Amari Rodgers The Green Bay is an interesting one. There's no doubt. I think he's better player than where he was drafted and what people realize.


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[Assistant] And I even wrote down Jaylen Darden, who got drafted by the Bucks, I think, in round four or maybe five. He's got four rockets up his ass, alright? Four? Four of them. That's a lot. Maybe three. Okay. Maybe three. I'm overstating it. If Tyree Gill has three, nobody can have more than that.


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[Assistant] So I, all those are very good situations, once again, with talented players. The one I'm gonna go though is Terrace Marshall Jr. Carolina? Carolina. To me, I think he is...


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[Assistant] First off, the physical specimen a little bit, like a Chase Claypool, where he just, the NFL is not going to be a big adjustment for him. Big, strong, fast as hell. And then, going to an offense.


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[Assistant] They already know what he is. Joe Brady was just coaching him two years ago. So now he's going, well, I got a guy that I know. I know where exactly what routes he can run and do. Without Curtis Samuel.


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[Assistant] So now Terrace Marshall has this flexibility again, and not all the bright lights are gonna be on him. Everybody's gonna be like, we're worried about DJ Moore, we're worried about Robbie Anderson. Oh fuck, here's this guy in the middle of the field running looky slant routes and option routes. And that's what he did at LSU. So when I look at it from that standpoint, and then of course


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[Assistant] Donald being such a good thrower of those types of routes and things, I think he could be the guy that kind of like shocks us statistically this year, uh, if not too many balls get stolen.


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[Assistant] That's what he's going to be here at first, especially, but like a real role and an offense that knows how to utilize three receivers too. So there's going to be plenty of, you know, balls and catches to go around here for everybody. Uh, but yeah, I'm going to take


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm. I don't think anybody's that big. I know, I know. It's, it's, Becton is, I mean, a true force of nature. He is.


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[Assistant] I have a few written down here, alright. But the one is Penesul. Penesul has...


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[Assistant] Yes, he's the, if you're gonna make me pick one guy and I gotta put money on it.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm gonna go, no, Penny Sewell's gonna be the guy, I know, it's a top 10 pick, I'm not trying to cop out of this, but hey, the reason I liked him was he's explosive, he's big, and he's mean and nasty. Oh, that sounds like Mackay Bechtin. You know, he wasn't maybe as explosive as Penny Sewell, but he was big and really nasty and


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[Assistant] Aaron Banks for the 49ers. Leatherwood for the Raiders. There's a chance he could become the steamroller ass kicker. Uh, there's a lot there. No, he didn't like that pick. Well, it was a little high. It was too high. That's the biggest problem with it. You know, no, it's, it's edgy. It's one of those again where the Raiders have put themselves on a spot where it's just like,


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[Assistant] It's kind of like they're saying they're smarter than the rest of football, or yeaah, they took a dicey pick that's going to be under a microscope, like Clelland Farrell, like the defensive back from last year. From Ohio State, yeaah. From Ohio State, Damon Arnett, exactly right. So all of those.


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[Assistant] But I, I gotta go with Penny Sewell here. I did think of Jackson Carmen even with the Jackson, I mean the Cincinnati Bengals. I did.


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[Assistant] Round two. Yeaah, because he's a physical freak. And he could be that type of guy, but I, Penny Sewell's too much fits the mold here.


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[Assistant] That's what we wanted to ask you. I mean, so have we hit in the be- I mean, I told everybody you're in Florida right now, with mom.


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[Assistant] And have we, we've been making it out to the beach during the middle of the day or are we doing Dracula wait till the sun goes down type stuff?


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[Assistant] What about, like, just to piggyback off of that, like, what about recent Ohio State quarterbacks, whether that's Dwayne Haskins or Cardell Jones, right? Like, does that affect your thinking at all with Justin Fields?


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[Assistant] I mean enough throws in that game alone that I would have gotten. I don't know if I can pick him number three. I mean just in that game. And I know that sounds harsh, but I'll just say...


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[Assistant] In my history of watching football, and I think Dad will attest that I've been a pretty big student of the game for a long long time.


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[Assistant] Some of those throws he missed in that game, you don't ever see top quarterbacks in college football miss. Now, and again, I know there's a lot to it, and I'm not trying to judge it off of that one game, but dad is right. It was the worst game by far, and if you started with that, you went, really?


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[Assistant] Right, right, I know, it's a strange circumstance, but go ahead dad, like what else? What was your thoughts, other thoughts about the 49ers and Trey Lance and that marriage there?


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, I'm glad you brought that up, cause I had just said to Paul, like I could see them having a little Taysom Hill, Drew Brees type of thing a little where... No question. So you see that too.


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[Assistant] I mean, my thing with Lance is I'm so scared of him not playing again another year. That's one of the, like, so...


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[Assistant] I guess, I guess, I don't know, I guess it's a stupid question. I'm just, I was gonna say like, you know, if he doesn't, like let's say for lack of a better way to say it, shit the bed, right? During training camp and, and preseason football and all that stuff and does some positive things.


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[Assistant] I just wonder if Shanahan throws him out there and makes him the starter. And goes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no doubt about it. There's definitely some positives there, and obviously Shanahan saw that too. Uhm, alright.


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[Assistant] Go to Mac Jones in New England. I mean, I mean, I, we all know it's the perfect fit. It was the quickest pick in the first round. Bill took 30 seconds to decide on that one. But just like what your original thoughts or something maybe that you don't think's being said out there in the media between that marriage there, like what jumped out to you?


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[Assistant] There's a lot of people that say that crap. It's a dumb comment. I mean, it is. I mean, the greatest guy at protecting the football and the history of the sport, and it's not even a discussion, it's not even close, has the strongest arm in the history of the sport. And his name is Aaron Rodgers.


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[Assistant] So, that, that's insane. Again, that's where people don't really understand that aspect of Raymond Rodgers' game, too. But, yes, that's just a, a bo- Patrick Mahomes? Is this Armstrong?


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[Assistant] Does he take care of the football? Absolutely. He takes, he takes care of the football at an unbelievable degree for what they ask him to do and play and everything like that.


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[Assistant] And, oh, the careless Josh Allen, who's so inaccurate in everything. Oh, that's right. I mean, he was what? Almost 4 to 1 this year himself, and the year before it was 20 to 6. So stop with that crap.


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[Assistant] To the point, another thing dad and I talk about a lot.


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[Assistant] Cause we've seen it a lot through our lives, is quarterback head coaches, right? Who draft a quarterback because he reminds me of me.


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[Assistant] You're right. I mean, McVeigh or Le Fleur, it's been really good, let's say, but like, especially the run game stuff. No, Shanahan is on another level.


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[Assistant] There's another level, but, you know, I talked about it a little bit on my Monday podcast, cause I talked to Shannon, I mean, that hits, dad's gonna hit none.


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[Assistant] I think there was that fear a little bit. Like, I got a few offensive coordinators and offensive coaches around the league that are running my stuff. My stuff's good. People are stealing it.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm watching other games where we just played this team and now I'm watching the team that just played, you know, that's playing them the next week and they're running all my plays. So I think there was that concern there.


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[Assistant] And that's where the Trey Lance option of quarterback, I think, throws a curve ball into how you can defend them and things like that. I think that's what intrigued Shanahan.


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[Assistant] I d- I do. Which I- I think it's interesting, cause of that aspect, right?


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[Assistant] And then, there's also like, I think, Dad brought up New England.


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[Assistant] And he thought, ooh, maybe they would do the Cam Newton thing, but New England, I think, is telling you, no, no, we're really good at dissecting people in the drop back pass game. And we have nine million different ways to get people open all the time. As I've mentioned before, Brady, nobody's thrown to more open receivers in the history of football than Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] Brady wasn't running the routes, okay, just so everybody knows. I know we want to give them the credit for that. But the coaching staff was designing those plays. So they're going, hey, this Cam Newton stuff's cool. We can still run the ball. But our advantage is McDaniels and Belichick's ability to pick apart how defenses play them in the pass game.


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[Assistant] And they find these combinations to screw it over. And that's what they're gonna go back to, their strength.