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[Assistant] You know, and you know, pocket collapses, throwing over people, doing that stuff, okay, maybe not his best. Hertz is probably a little bit better playing that physical aspect of in the pocket, but you know, as we've talked about, Hertz definitely has to get better with precision in his throwing and those throws that are, you know, big time NFL in the pocket type throws.


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[Assistant] Like I said, I wouldn't be as strong as that. No, I wouldn't be as strong with that. You know, again, Gardner Minshew, you know, my perfect team. Do I want him to be my starting quarterback? No. But if he was like, hey,


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[Assistant] Hey Chris, you're the GM of the team. You know, you gotta wait a year, or maybe two, to get your starter, the guy you love, right? Gardner-Menscher, you gotta deal with him for one year, and maybe two, right? Okay, we can make that work, you know?


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[Assistant] It's, it's again, he's not going to carry the squad. He's not going to be like, oh gosh, we're going to put it all on his shoulders. You got to play a certain style of football as you do with all these guys we're talking about really right now. That's why they're not starters. That's why they're fighting for backup jobs and fighting to stay alive in the NFL. Uh, but yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it.


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[Assistant] Because he's been a little unlucky. Hey, one of the reasons I think he's a back, a backup a little bit in this spot too, is you can't, a little like we talked about with Teddy Bridgewater, you can't depend on him to stay healthy throughout the year.


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[Assistant] That would be one thing that's, you know, a little concerning about him. You saw that last year. You saw that the year before with Dr. Needle punctured his lung in his chest, but he had a rib injury. So he was injured. That's why he was getting the shot to begin with. They falling on the, you know, wrists when Baker Mayfield was there.


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[Assistant] And, and uh, you know, in Cleveland. So he has not been able to stay healthy.


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[Assistant] Elements of his skill set that are starting quarterback worthy.


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[Assistant] That, that I would tell you for sure. I mean Tyrod Taylor, as compared to some of the other guys we've talked about on this list already, has a really good arm. It's a really good arm. Him and Drew Locke would have the two best arms of the guys we've talked about here so far.


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[Assistant] You know, he can pump it down the field, 60 yards, 70 yard post routes. He's got some strength. We know he's a good athlete too. He can make some plays outside of the pocket and scramble for 20 yard touchdown runs or do anything like that. Definitely. You know, but.


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[Assistant] You know, Tyrod Taylor, you know, has a little bit of the Teddy Bridgewater in him to a degree that does bother me. And the fact that


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's a careful football game at times. It is. It's a careful game. It's not always taking advantage of what's there to be had. Oh, you know, I'll just play it safe for now. Well damn, that might be the only time he gets open 40 yards down the field. You gotta take it now. We can't go, we'll wait for it later.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is. It's just too many years of me kinda saying the same thing. And I came away even again last year, watching the few games he played last year.


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[Assistant] You know, then he got hurt, and when he came back, you know, it just was bumpy. It was. And bumpy teams caught on to the offense, and I know he wasn't a part of a great offense either.


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[Assistant] You know, I think with, with Tyrod it's, it's that, it's the


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[Assistant] You know, too many people, oh wait, you're in the pocket, there's somebody open here. Oh, you can't see them because you're a little small in the pocket. Oh, the pocket's collapsing. Wait, that guy's open.


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[Assistant] You know, 15 or 20 yards to your right here, you just gotta stand there with pressure around you and make that throw and get hit. Oh nope, he's gonna look to move around and wait for a cleaner area to throw the ball. And I know people, you know, that's great.


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[Assistant] Yeah, damn, he threw the check down, I get it, so it's second and three, but...


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[Assistant] Like, the 18-yard incut to the right was open. You gotta hit it. I know there was people in his face, but it's just too open. You can't go, oh, I can't see it or whatever else. And that, I think, is what kind of knocks him down to a degree. There is some ability to make some high-end, awesome stuff happen.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna lose the game instead of just saying I'm gonna go win the game. Not maybe to Teddy's extent, but, but similar.


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[Assistant] No it's, it's, it's the hard thing for, you know, the, the quarterback with the crazy strong arm.


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[Assistant] Or the quarterback with the crazy good athlete, you know, legs that can run and do all that stuff. They both go through a learning curve of weight. The strong arm guy goes, oh wait, I can't fit that in there. I can't fit in there. By whole life I fit it in there. So they keep doing it. And you see Brett Favre and those kind of guys, they throw a lot of interceptions earlier in their career and whatever else. And it takes some time to adjust. Or they don't, and they're on the bench or out of the league.


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[Assistant] Same thing though, your conversation is very real that way. Yea, to where, hey, I don't need to make that tight throw.


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[Assistant] You know, and I think even, you know, I mean, you look at his last four games he played last year, that can pretty much set it to you. I think that's why they went to Davis Mills. You know, if I got this right, the Jets game was his last game, right? Or no, it might have been the Colts game.


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[Assistant] The Jets game the week before that. The Tennessee game the week before that.


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[Assistant] And it was the Miami game where he came back, where he came back after the injury. He played horrible in that game with some bad turnovers. They won a game in Tennessee in the rain and they had the turnovers and Tannehill had interceptions, but really did nothing and was ultr-


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[Assistant] That to me is what solidified him as 38, cause there was never an attempt to really...


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[Assistant] I think if you made me choose one of those two, I'm gonna go with the second one. I, I, yeaah. I just feel like with Chua...


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[Assistant] There's such a groundswell in support there for him. They've got a coach that I think is just like there not only because he deserves it, but he, they knew his offense would fit the quarterback. He's got weapons galore.


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[Assistant] To where, you know, again, you know me, I love the Giants and I'm rooting for Daniel Jones. I don't know why, I just feel like there's, you know, maybe more there to make it happen for Tua. Where, you know, Daniel Jones,


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[Assistant] You know, the fanbase is not behind him quite the same. Right. As Tua has there in Miami. They didn't pick up his 5th year option. No, they did not pick his 5th year option.


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[Assistant] So yeah, there's no Jones-anon to Pete's point, right? We don't have a backlash of people. So, you know, and, and yeah, I think because of that, no fifth year option like you're talking about.


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[Assistant] Weird, like, what I'm basically saying is, if Tua stumbles a little bit the first five weeks, they're gonna go, okay, it's a new offense, we'll learn it. If Daniel Jones stumbles the first five weeks,


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[Assistant] And things aren't good and all that, I, I do think you're gonna hear fans and everybody just go, maybe we should play Tyrod Taylor, screw Daniel Jones, he's, he's not gonna make it, he can't do it, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] I guess that's my thought. I haven't really thought about that a lot, but that would be my initial reaction there.


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[Assistant] I think they really want him to be the guy. And I think he has a lot of the things to be the guy. He'll be on this list. That he will be on the list. Daniel Jones is really hard.


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[Assistant] Cause when you go back and watch Daniel Jones, alright, first off, like you go back and you go, damn, there's a lot of good.


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[Assistant] Holy shit what a throw in the pocket. Holy shit is he under pressure and people are killing him and he's just throwing balls down the field. Holy shit, there he goes running around the edge for 70 yards. There's some things about him where you go, that is really good.


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[Assistant] You know, but holding the ball too long in the pocket, getting it stripped out, doing that.


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[Assistant] You know, you know, throwing a screen pass against the Buccaneers where he's falling down to his right and he just throws the ball like across the field to the screen pass and right into a defensive lineman's chest. You know, those are the few things. And then what you, again, as, and again, anybody that's listening to this.


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[Assistant] The other thing with Daniel Jones is like, I kind of just alluded to it, there's so many


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[Assistant] You got it, you're right. Usually one of these guys does, you know? They usually do. And uhm, really, ranking like 32 to 40?


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[Assistant] This is probably one of the most exhausting parts of the whole exercise. Cause again, you're talking about guys that


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[Assistant] They're really not starting quarterbacks for the most part. There's some.


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[Assistant] Starting quarterback traits there, but I'm not sure that they have all the traits to be, you know, anything long-term that way. So we've just gone through five. Other than Kenny Pickett, I don't mean him. Yep.


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[Assistant] I will say, his top five ain't right. I mean, it's not right. Don't get too much away. He's got some of the names, but it's not right.


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[Assistant] Pick the top ten. No, we're gonna give away. Legally I have to say that was a joke. Uh, your commander's outfit. That's what we're gonna give away.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's it, right? We're done? That's it! Okay, that's it.


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[Assistant] For the Washington Commanders and Ahmed Fareed, he says farewell. No, but thanks for everybody listening out there. Uh, hope you keep sending in thoughts, questions about the quarterback rankings. It's not easy. I'm not sitting here telling you I'm God's gift to the world, but I am good at it.


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[Assistant] And I do work hard at it. And I've been around it my whole life. Uh, hope you enjoy it. You know what we got. We got five more coming on Wednesday, right? Is that how we're doing it? Five each pod here? Yep.


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[Assistant] And I think it's a little bit of a fashion statement as I was saying down there. I remember my mom's dad had this giant thing of, of canes. Right. When I was a kid, I would take him like go out in the yard and we'd visit him on Sunday and like act like it was a golf club. And my mom would never got mad at me for anything, was like, that's not, that's not very respectful.


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[Assistant] Put this on. Thinking about the fashion, I mean, three or four years we've been doing this, so this is the first time we've both arrived with no sleeves. I know, right? I'm wearing just a plain t-shirt today.


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[Assistant] Sometimes it's like way too formal. The buttons can be a little too, yea I gotcha. It's like way up there. Right. So then you, you gotta drop down one. Right. But then it looks like you're showing off chest hair. Yea. You're trying to be the 70's guy. Right, right. It's a tough call. It is a tough call. I know. You have solved it by just going all the way up.


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[Assistant] I think you know. It's shirt by shirt. If you're willing to go to that second one, you've got to evaluate each shirt. I'm going to try it this summer.


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[Assistant] What's going to be the evaluation? The comments you get or like how you feel in it? Uh, how I feel. I don't give a shit about the comments.


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[Assistant] Some really good ones here too, and I think any chunk of the 40, any 5, it's always fun. Thanks. I got the list and I'm like,


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. And you haven't seen the whole list yet, have you? Yeah, I've only seen, I saw what you did Monday with Ahmed, and I've seen our list, so I don't know what you're doing forward. I just saw some of the names and I'm like, yes, okay, let's go. Listen, we got some good QBs and football right now.


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[Assistant] This is just your way of making all of us wonder, is Jalen Hurts 35 to 31 today?


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[Assistant] How about we start by seeing what you did, just kind of, uh, continue the warm up phase, see what you did there, 40, 35, so Drew Lock at 40, Kenny Pickett, so at least one rookie there, 39, Teddy Bridgewater, 38, Gardner Minshew, 37, Tyrod Taylor, 36. Which one of those five created the most discussion and reaction in the last couple days?


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[Assistant] I think when you're on a team that's not that good, you're a rookie, you kind of had an up and down shift when you were in before. I think most guys are a little more conservative.


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[Assistant] Not afraid to try to fit it in in the intermediate, not afraid to go down, you know, not way downtown, but he's, he's, he, he didn't take the easy way out a lot. And I thought that stood out. Nine touchdowns, two picks.


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[Assistant] Looks like he's ready to take a big step forward. You look at the other ten around him. That's the question. Do you think he's set up for success so then, 2023 in the spring when we're talking about the draft, are the Texans in the quarterback game or not?


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[Assistant] One more fun note about him. So he was the 8th quarterback taken last year, Chris, at 67 in round 3. If he would have gone 67 this year, it would have been the 2nd quarterback take. That's crazy, right? There's so many fun ways to compare talent this year to last year.


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[Assistant] He's natural like that for sure. Fun way to start there. Somebody we never would have thought would have been here last year at this time. So Davis Mills at 35, bringing us to 34.


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[Assistant] The best friend ever. So he didn't go there every time, but you could see like, okay, I know this is my number one. And he had a real nice connection with him. I thought he was a little conservative. I think so too. I would have liked to see him push it down a little bit.


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[Assistant] And sometimes it's all fastball and no off-speed. Yeaah, I hear you. I hear you there.


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[Assistant] Nice little lesson there. I know, I know, I gotta go home and watch it. Okay, quarterback Jeopardy? Yeah, let me hear this, let me hear it. Here we go. Does not have anything to do with Dennis Hopper or Speed. Who was the only undrafted quarterback to have more passing yards than Tyler Huntley last season? Whoa, alright, hold on, let me pull up the teams here. His first name is a good hint. So, Tyler Huntley.


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[Assistant] Little random QB Jeopardy and a random honorable mention. Boom. It's a nice way to kind of break it up there. Okay, so we have Davis Mills, 35. Yep. Tyler Huntley, 34. 33. I can't wait to hear about this one.


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[Assistant] Well, go ahead, you wanna lead it off or go ahead, throw some shit at me, go ahead. So, third or fourth time we've done this, his name's never been on the list.


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[Assistant] I mean, he didn't play that much last year. No, he did not. What did you see to say, you know what, not only is he going to be on just like 40 or 39, he's going to be a little deeper on that list.


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[Assistant] So I mean, he's been kinda out of sight, out of mind a little bit. And all people had to go on with what happened in New York.


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[Assistant] And those are some really good defenses you list off. How about this one here? His passer rating, 103.0, if you're interested.


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[Assistant] Just ahead of Matthew Stafford and Tom Brady. Numbers don't say everything, but that one kind of makes you stop and be like, okay.


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[Assistant] You've invited some really nice, automatic Seattle quarterback questions here. Yes. With your first two sets. Yeaah. So, Drew Lock at 40, as we mentioned earlier. Geno Smith right now 33. Why seven spots ahead of Drew Lock?


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[Assistant] They were playing through the defense most times. Okay, Davis Mills, 35. Tyler Huntley, 34. Geno Smith, 33. Gave me a lot of things to think about and ask you about. 32 and 31 are even better.


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[Assistant] I think you just answered the one question. I always have notes here and I have one circled with a star around it. I said, his supporting cast, his experience has changed. Is there one thing that stayed with him or kind of haunted him from New York to Carolina? I think, I think that's it. You fill in the blank with that.


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[Assistant] Could see him playing a lot as the season got longer. I want to throw this up here. Pete, this is Pete's question. I think it's a really good question. We have a graphic of his career with the Jets, also with the Panthers. As we look at that, let's consider this question and this theory that's always been out there about him. Did last year disprove this theory that Darnold failed in New York because of the talent around him?


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[Assistant] I have one other kind of overriding question or thought about this. I want to see what you think. So I know he's someone that you, you've seen the talent when a lot of people throughout the years have just seen the fact that they're not winning, he's not playing well. So you're feeling that, that he is the guy in Carolina right now.


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[Assistant] Are you more, cause it didn't feel like he was gonna be. Are you more disappointed in the organization that here we are in May and Sam Darnold's your guy after what we saw last year? Or are you more excited for him?


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[Assistant] You're gonna see Matt Corral go. It's really best case scenario for the organization and for Corral, that he's a third-rounder. I know. Takes the pressure off. It does, right. It really does. Same guy, same system, same everything, but the fact that he went in the third round instead of the first changes the entire feeling. It changes it. Now you, it looks like we


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[Assistant] So Sam Darnold 32 was one, okay? That was a gift.


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[Assistant] I want you to keep going with this sentence in between. This is a team that expects to be playing in late January. He's not the best quarterback on the roster. Tell me if I'm right or wrong.


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[Assistant] 49ers, maybe you're the best team in football. I was just going to say, is the, is the team around him good enough on offense and defense where he can be like, okay, we're going to, we're going to make this kid good by Thanksgiving. Yes. We might end up there only a game or two above 500 or three or four, who knows? Right. But once we get to December, watch out.


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[Assistant] Let's have a little fun with the fact that the schedule just came out and this whole topic of, uh, Trey Lance, Jimmy Garoppolo. So what percent chance right now that Jimmy Garoppolo is the week one starter over Lance as we kind of take a peek here at the Niners 2022 schedule. Sounds like it's not very high. Yeah, it's not high.


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[Assistant] Alright, from a peak at the schedule, thinking about the Niners and Lance, let's go to points bet. Would you go over or under, and would your answer change depending on whether it's Jimmy G or Trey Lance starting?


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[Assistant] He's in such a good spot because in one way you think, oh that pressure and the fact that Jimmy G's there, it's a team that should win in January, that's, that could be a negative, but they're so good. You talked about him being 6 out of 18 sometimes. They could win that way. They could win with that for a while. They can't win with that forever.


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[Assistant] They're keeping it going with points bet, uh, you can download the points bet app, use code NBC2K to sign up, get two risk free bets up to $2,000. Booyah, you know it.


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[Assistant] And there are five more quarterbacks there.


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[Assistant] Well done. Well done. Davis Mills, Tyler Huntley, Gino Smith, Sam Darnold, Trey Lance.


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[Assistant] Hey, uh, hey Pete, do we have some, uh, time to read these questions? Yeah, actually, I'm looking at them right now. Let's hit them. There's some good ones here. There we go. Homies react to the Sims Top 40. Number 38, you had Teddy Bridgewater. Nathan says, would a quarterback like Teddy have had more success with the Bears instead of Mitchell Trubisky for the three years when they had a dominant defense?


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[Assistant] Thinking about Gardner Minshew now at 37. This from Charlie Jamison. Great pod. I love this. As a Lions fan, I actually would rather have Minshew than Goff for his Moxian leadership. Rooting for him, but I understand the ranking.


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[Assistant] One name we've not heard, Blaine Gabbards. Yep. Joe Bucks fan says, Don't hold your breath for Blaine Gabbard. Last year, Arians called Gabbard the most underrated player in the NFL. Last week, Bucks QB coach Clyde Christensen said Gabbard is one of the top backups in the league.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Mike Tirico and thanks for watching. Make sure to hit subscribe for the latest news and highlights from NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] No, I do. I do. My voice is a little more gravelly than it normally is. I don't notice it. Good. Uhm, no, I feel good. No, it was a really fun time. Do you ever get in a bad mood?


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[Assistant] Are you ever mean? So, at the Derby. Grumpy. At the Derby on Friday. Before I was going into the two Derby shows and then making our debut for our baseball show on NBC. Right. I wasn't grumpy, but I just wasn't talking. You were a little edgy. I don't talk. When I'm like grumpy and like stressed, I don't talk.


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[Assistant] If a normal person's energy is on a scale from, you know, 1 to 10, Nick Swishers is on a scale from 10 to 7 thousand. Right. 42.


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[Assistant] Was it, was it, uhm, let me think, oh, how I met your mother. Was that it, Pete?


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[Assistant] Pete just revealed it from the rundown, so I was able to read it in the rundown very quickly. Chris is pissed.


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[Assistant] What do I do? I prepare for the Chris Sims Unbuttoned Podcast. That's what I do.


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[Assistant] Wow, six degrees of separation. Pete, are you a big fan of that show? You must watch it all the time. Okay. He was, no longer is apparently. I don't, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Uh, he may have watched that episode last night to prepare. That's awesome. Alright. So speaking of preparing. Let's do it.


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[Assistant] So we got a lot of different teams, we got some players to talk about, maybe a couple from, uh, from the draft still lingering out there. But let's start with what I kind of think, and I lived out there for a few years, so.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm biased, but is one of the more interesting situations in the NFL this coming year. Because the 49ers, once again, they're in that window, right? They're in their championship window, obviously, with the success they had last year. But they have so many


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[Assistant] 49ers, quarterback situation, let's start with the Jimmy G side. What's going on there, you think?


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[Assistant] And they needed them last year. They needed them to get as far as they did. So that's the question. So let me just read this next one then. Middleoftheroad33, big fan of your work since your Bleacher Report days with Lefco.


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[Assistant] A question for you. Are you worried about Trey Lance and the fact that the Niners quarterback couldn't beat out Jimmy G even though Jimmy G isn't top 15? I'm sorry, but Mack Jones would have been far better at three. So that's the other part of this. Right? Right. If there's no market for Jimmy G and you're basically going to have to cut him for nothing,


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[Assistant] And you could actually use him, or you think you might be able to use him, uhm, then you're not gonna do that. So, I mean, Trey Lance, what do they, what do they think about Trey Lance I think over there?


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[Assistant] Part of us thinks that, you know, NFL coaches have it all figured out, and they know, they kinda know what a player can be, but I guess with a guy like Trey Lance, You're not sure. You don't know until you play him at all.


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[Assistant] Do you think Jimmy Garoppolo starts for the 49ers next year?


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[Assistant] So, what happens with Jimmy Garoppolo might be dictated by what happens with Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] Dead to head says, do you think Baker Mayfield is paying the price for the Brown's deal with Watson in that in terms of he pissed off the owner so much that they are responding by shutting down on any trade talk for Mayfield.


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[Assistant] He said, settling for a playoff win, but will my one-year-old son have a chance? So will Neil's one-year-old son see the Lions win a Superbowl in his lifetime?


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[Assistant] I've told you about my bet with the Lions before on this pod. I don't know if you remember it, but uh, with my friend, this was about 20, 25 years ago now.


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[Assistant] Uh, we bet a hundred dollars and I bet that the Lions would appear in a Superbowl. I wasn't as confident in a win. So like, just like you appear in a Superbowl in Wayne Fonce's lifetime. Wow. Like the greatest coach. I love Wayne Fonce because they'd always make a run right at the end and uh, lives in Tampa now.


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[Assistant] Uh, he turned 82 in February. I mean, he's, he's done me a solid, you know? He's hanging in there. He is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it was about, I think when Barry Sanders got inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, he was there, and he did have a cane, and my friend texted me and was like, uh-oh. Uh-oh, you're in trouble. It's coming down the home stretch. But he's been fine, it was just a small


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[Assistant] Uh, okay, so Lions, we might have Canes when they, uh, up here win a Super Bowl, but we think it could happen here at some point, 10, 15, 20, 30 years down the road. Uh, the Chiefs...


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[Assistant] Could win one, uh, more, uh, sooner than that. We got T. Reagan, 84. Says big Kansas City fan. With your experience, is an offense more productive with two elite talents at receiver or a room full of good receiving targets to spread the ball around? So it's like a quantity versus quality here.


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[Assistant] And as you just mentioned, a quarterback that can take advantage of that, and maybe Pittsburgh has not had that here in recent history. Jake Scanlon says, how much does Pickett or Trubisky change the Steelers offense in comparison to having an older and less mobile Big Ben? I think less mobile is very kind to Big Ben. Exactly. Less mobile.


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[Assistant] Well, we know they're going to have Mike Tomlin in charge here, one of my favorite coaches in the NFL. He's got to win a coach of the year at some point. Bill Belichick has won that in the past. I don't know how many he has actually. Belichick? I feel like he's got maybe


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[Assistant] I feel like Carl has a little bit better year than normal. This is the time to give it to Carl now. Might not be able to do it next year. Belichick has three. Oh, he's got three. Okay, he's got three. Maybe he wins another one with Mac Jones. He can now win it because expectations have been tamped down a little bit. We do have a Patriots question here. JeSports won.


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[Assistant] What do you think about the Pats coaching staff getting smaller and smaller as it stands today? They don't really have any real coordinators. I'm kind of worried about it. So Pete notes here.


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[Assistant] They have six offensive coaches, six defensive coaches. They got two special teams coaches. Matt Patricia is there as a senior football advisor. So they do have no formal offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator, I guess at the moment. What are they doing?


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[Assistant] Which I think some teams look at that as like, you know, there's a salary cap and so we're limited there, but there's no salary cap on coaches. There's not as much and hire as many people. And so why not?


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[Assistant] But they don't see a use for it, I guess. Bottom line.


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[Assistant] Let's talk Cowboys. Yeah. Go Longhorns 45. There you go. Yeah. What up Longhorns? Can the Cowboys truly hire an A-list coach given the family involvement in personnel? Seems to me they've only pulled the trigger on B-listers willing to defer to the Jones family. So Mike McCarthy there right now.


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[Assistant] And if you go to Dallas and win a Super Bowl, you're a legend forever. You're, I mean, that's, that's...


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[Assistant] If you're a coach and you're secure, yea, you're a legend forever. You're a legend forever, exactly right. I do feel like, like, what are the points, bets, odds, uh, Pete, on, on, uh, our guy Sean Payton going to being the Dallas Cowboys head coach at some point in time. I feel like I want to make a bet on it.


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[Assistant] So you say that things could change if they don't reach expectations this year, and that may be more likely because the division, uh, got tougher. This is from Jake Kood 13. Cheers boys. The rest of the NFC East minus my Cowboys.


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[Assistant] Have improved significantly this offseason. Is the talent in Philly or New York enough to take the NFC East title? Or does the quarterback make too much of a difference here? We got points, bets, odds, uh, for this one. So we do have the odds on this one. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Jay Crouch, our friend over there at Points Bet, supplied us with this. Odds, uh, better.


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[Assistant] Uh, what is this? Uh, what is this? So before the draft, a bunch of numbers have popped up. After the draft, they improved a little bit. Okay, so, okay. Eagles improved a lot. I got this now. Okay, so the Cowboys are still favored to win the division. You know, before the draft they were. They're still, uh, favored now. Yeah, you're right. So the Eagles now, their chances have gotten better. Still the second choice. Yeah. To the Cowboys. The commanders have gotten worse. Giants got worse. Yeah.


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[Assistant] What if they lead the league in rushing and are the toughest to run against? Do you think that's possible? I do think it's possible. They could definitely be in top 5 in both.


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[Assistant] And if you want to bet on something like that, you can do that over at PointsBet. You can download the PointsBet app. You can use that promo code NBC2K, right Chris?


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[Assistant] Most important positions, this one I like. I wanna, I wanna get into your brain here, because we've talked about your future career as a GM, running a team, I think we're getting closer and closer to that, who knows. Oh, thank you. Uh, Neil Moe 2010.


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[Assistant] If you become a GM of a team, what would your philosophy be for building a team in terms of units you would invest the most money and draft picks in? Oh, I like that. Units. It's a betting term right there.


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[Assistant] That's true. That really will happen. Cause it was like every draft, I'm sure there are guys that are like, how is he still here? I like this guy. And fall right in your light. You don't need to trade up to get those guys.


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[Assistant] So you go offensive line, boom studs up there. Then if you had the choice between the stud defensive line guy or elite receiver, what do you do?


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[Assistant] Might have worked out where both teams were on in the time horizon here, you know, Lions farther away from competing, Cincinnati obviously a lot closer. Where does quarterback sit there though? Cause quarterback is so important. Is that assuming you have a great quarterback?


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[Assistant] Last question, so if you assemble the perfect team, and they're kind of middling along, not playing that great, what are the chances you're down there calm plays next week?


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[Assistant] Play action, become a big part of the game. You see it a lot in college now and some of those offenses, but run in different ways.


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[Assistant] Uh, Frank Noel says, Do you prefer play action being run from under center or in the shotgun? Does one have more benefits than the other?


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[Assistant] And when you're under center too, you can do the coolest move in football as a quarterback where you fake the handoff with one hand and then watch the running back go and then you boot out the other way. Coolest thing. It's like Aaron Rodgers does that all. It's like, I love that.


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[Assistant] So you as quarterback are underneath center for your play action. You as quarterback have a type of receiver. Let's dig deeper into that. CD2K. Chris, as a quarterback, do you want targets who A.


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[Assistant] Without naming names, did you ever play with someone who had so much talent, but you just never could get on the same page as this person? You don't have to name names.


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[Assistant] And they'll go, Hey Chris, you would pick this guy in a future podcast you're doing though.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I'll go big. Cause you want the chance that that guy will snap ending gear.


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[Assistant] Let's stay on wide receivers here. Druski says, what can we learn about the evaluation process from guys like Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson who made immediate impacts on their teams? What skills did they have coming into the league?


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[Assistant] Let's get to the, yeah, you had him ahead of uh, Jerry Judy. Right, right. Yep. Who could still be good? Of course you can. Now with, now with Russell. No doubt about it. Uh, let's get to the big uglies again here. Let's skip one down here to the, the Ravens. Uh, little nitty gritty here, but Ravens fans will like this one.


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[Assistant] We still have the full screen of that. Alright, let's go to Raven's question here. Ringo number four.


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[Assistant] What do you think of Linderbaum's athleticism? How it compares to someone like Garrett Bradbury. They have a hard time believing that Linderbaum will succeed against NFL DTs when Bradbury has struggled so heavily against similar traits. And so we're talking about the best center in the draft right here that went to the Ravens. So we're looking at, uh, Bradbury, Bradbury.


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[Assistant] From the viking for the vikings now. Uh, yeah. Weight is very similar. Bradbury is actually an inch taller. It looks like here. Arm length is similar. Bradbury is a bigger dude. Um, and so I guess Bradbury has not lived up to expectations at this point.


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[Assistant] Alright, how good of an offensive line do you need for this next question? Al Lids says, from their own 30, is there an offensive line capable of protecting the quarterback long enough for Florio to run a post route?


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[Assistant] Eight months of your life. Danny Wilson says, I would love to know which positions are you most confident in your analysis and which positions do you find the hardest to rank? So Danny wants to know which of the podcasts he doesn't need to listen to next year when we're evaluating the draft prospects.


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[Assistant] That would be a position where you would maybe defer to an offensive line guru.


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[Assistant] Alright, do you have an eye for a sandwich? King 36. What are your thoughts on making a sandwich with the end of bread slices? I'll do it, but I don't love it. If it's the only thing in the bag.


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[Assistant] So, but this is what I want. I want this on a sandwich because I think this is revolutionary. This will revolutionize the sandwich game. Yeah. Potato chips. Oh. On the sandwich. What? I'm with you. Right? I'm with you. Can we get that done? Smart. Can we make calls and get that done?


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[Assistant] I'll eat bread again. Okay. If we make that sandwich. The Fareed. The Fareed. With chips. Yea, the Fareed with chips. Yea, okay. Or without chips. We'll get there. Alright, this one comes from Frank Knowles. He said Sims, Ahmed, Paul.


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[Assistant] Got James, Gabby back there, Morgan. No, it's not Gabby today. It is, um, Kelsey. That's right. Kelsey back there today. Gabby getting a well-deserved, uh, a day off. If you were to play on an expansion team together, what positions would you play? What would be the team's name? What state would you play in?


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[Assistant] Although, although Paul, I mean Paul, would he battle you for the job? Like would there be a quarterback competition? I mean, there might be for a few days.


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe I need to sacrifice and go to another position. Cause, cause we might be able to, you might be able to help the team.


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[Assistant] I just dump it out like 10 yard little outroutes hooks and I just get it in your hands and you guys go.


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[Assistant] Morgan safety probably back there patrolling the outfield.


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[Assistant] The best. This in their class. Or significantly better than I ranked them. They're gonna figure something out.


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[Assistant] I think that's good. Maybe more come to mind as we go, uh, throughout this off season. Maybe we can, uh, we can bring them up here. But there's another question that, uh, that I think a lot of people have when you're doing these evaluations. They want to know if you saw any players that maybe caught your eye that are going to be in future drafts, specifically quarterbacks, Will Caldwell.


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[Assistant] It says while conducting your magnum opus with all your rankings this past year, did any quarterbacks catch your eye during your wide receiver scouting? I know Bryce Young and CJ Stroud are viewed as the front runners, uh, but who are some players to watch in college this year?


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[Assistant] This is what you try to avoid. And I think this is what makes you so unique in this evaluation process is you really don't lock, lock in on these guys until it's, until all the work is in front of you. You don't form opinions that are hard to break maybe a year later until it's time to evaluate.


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[Assistant] Bryce Young, currently the favorite at plus 200, to be the number one overall pick. CJ Stroud is plus 210, so right behind him. Uh, Will Levi's, or Levis, is plus 2,000. It is Levis. Plus 2,000. Wow. Yeah. So get your bet in, promo code NBC2K.


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[Assistant] Couple more questions here on this pod. AFC top five is this one. Plug and play 16. Who are your way too early top five contenders in the loaded AFC heading into the season? Love the pod as always. Thanks for the content. Go Broncos. So he's hoping that the Broncos are in your AFC top five.


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[Assistant] This is, I mean, there are so many good teams that are improved, right? I mean, you could make the argument for the Dolphins with all they've done, right? Patriots, you know, of course. Exactly, so the Patriots. Uhm, I think. Denver. Yeah, Denver Chargers. Baltimore had an awesome draft. Yeah, I mean, but Chargers, I mean, like, they added before the draft, and they were almost a playoff team.


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[Assistant] Uhm, anyone else in the, I mean Colts? I don't know. They're not going anywhere. Ravens should be better.


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[Assistant] Don't hold us to that. It's way too early. Uh, but let's go. Good question. That is a good question. I like this one, this next one too, because it's kind of the opposite end of the spectrum.


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[Assistant] We always talk about who will be that surprise team. This year's Bengals perhaps. Goat Goat says, which team in the top five of this year's draft is most likely to be last year's Bengals? Be the surprising good team. So the bottom five teams and win percentage last year were Jaguars, Lions, Jets, Giants, Texans. Hmm. Some good ones there. I just list six teams there.


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[Assistant] HeatMate makes a good point though. Can it be an AFC team, really?


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[Assistant] It's gonna be some teams, some teams gonna jump up that was terrible last year and be pretty good, maybe a playoff team. It happens every year, just don't know who it's gonna be. Three more and they're non-football related. You ready for the final three? My favorite ones. Nick Yams. Hey Chris, great job with the pod.


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[Assistant] Not sure if you're allowed to answer this, but what is your favorite strain me and the rest of your fans would love to know.


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[Assistant] We're getting into the hygiene portion. Legitimate question.


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[Assistant] And I've exposed on this podcast before, I'm, I'm neither. I'm a bidet guy. You're a bidet guy. I've fully converted. You have fully converted.


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[Assistant] Only, only, only wipe to dry. So it's like, that's what, that's what the camp I'm in right now. So we all have our own thing. The final one, Mehmet305. Oh, we got a Mehmet305, okay. Can we have another?


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[Assistant] You're good. You've usually been good. I've been the question mark. You are the question mark.


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[Assistant] And imagine if they did a pit check, how demoralized you'd be. I know. That happened to me during the pandemic.


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[Assistant] This is like my, like you mentioned before, this is like my vacation. I come in here, I get to talk to you for a couple hours and it's a fun time.


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[Assistant] I know, right? She's probably like, yes, I like you better when you're like that. Like, do you feel like, 420, like, even if you didn't want to, and I don't know how, but like, you feel like you have to. Like, right? It's like, well, I've got to do a little something here. If I'm gonna represent myself as someone who enjoys this, I have to partake.


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[Assistant] Well, you've had to do something to get you through all of the scouting that you've done up to this point. And today, we're finally, we're finally here. We're at the finish line.


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[Assistant] We'll start with defensive tackles and then we'll end with linebackers. So two more on the defensive side. We only have like an hour and 12 and then we get kicked out. Okay. Kristen's like where I'm done with you guys. She's over it too. So damn her. Uh, so, so let's get right to it. Let's go right to defensive tackles and


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[Assistant] Uhm, let's just go right to number five. Let's just get right into it.


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[Assistant] Give us an idea here, because you said the offensive lineman, you talked about that last podcast with Paul, you said there might be 6, 7, 8 first round talent guys. You got number 5 here, Leal.


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[Assistant] Now Preston Abbott asked a question, kind of what you mentioned here, he's a little bit of a tweener, can do both. Um, if you viewed him as an edge guy, he says, where would you have him ranked? So now edge, we think there's some really. He'd be down the list a little bit there that way.


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[Assistant] The guy that's on the fringes of the first round for two, uh, for, for you, for, uh, defensive tackle. And if you had trouble with the name Leal, this one's going to be. Go ahead. You lead the way here. Let me just piggyback.


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[Assistant] So versatility for this guy, the top two or the bottom two on your top five list here.


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[Assistant] Interesting. Right. Okay, alright, so you like what you saw on film, on tape, you talk to people that know him too, off the


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[Assistant] People love him off the field. I haven't talked to him, but if you, you read about people who have, um, his father died when he was 2019, had a, had a troubled life. Um, Yoma, he struggled academically when he was in college, but in 2021, he was named to the academic all conference team.


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[Assistant] Long time. Alright, let's get to your first round guys. Maybe the guys with more upside. Now, number three in your defensive tackle rankings is...


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[Assistant] A Connecticut guy, I know. Stayed close to home, and dominated. Many people said he was the best player on that team.


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[Assistant] A lot of the times with these defensive tackles too, it's how often can you use them? How much of the game can they play? This guy started as a true freshman, played in 10 to 12 games and he played a ton last year, 50 or more snaps in a game.


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[Assistant] I mean, how often are you looking at that for defensive tackle? It's like, I want my guy to be on the field, especially when you're playing in college most of the game.


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[Assistant] A lot of people like him, pro football focus described him as a quintessential block of granite at nose tackle with a touch of pocket pushing ability thrown in right there.


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[Assistant] First step is as good as it gets in this draft class according to Pro Football Focus. Explosive there. Here are some of the measurables if you're watching on YouTube or, uh, or on Peacock, the 40 yard dash and the 97th percentile, 10 yard split, 93rd percentile. So very athletic guy getting off the ball. Uh, a lot of people like him. So, um,


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[Assistant] You like him so much. I know. Well, and it's no mystery why Georgia was a good team last year. I'm looking at all these position rankings, especially in the defensive side. I was like, some of them, there are like three Georgia dudes. At least the greatest college defense in the history.


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[Assistant] It's almost like 1A-ish. Clearly, okay. Alright, so there is a reason though why you have Jordan Davis, his Georgia teammate, ahead of him, even if it is slightly. Yeah. So let's get to your number one, number one place.


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[Assistant] We show the measurables of all these guys, and the more green you have, the better it is. It means you're more elite at more things. His is basically all green. Yeaah, it's a circle almost.


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[Assistant] John Johanahan. Yea. Hi, Ahmed. You should brush your teeth twice a day. There. I agree with that. You should. You should. I do it in the morning. I've done it for you. I do it for you before every pod. Remember this too. But is Jordan Davis only a two down player? No. Can he be asked to rush the passer on obvious passing downs? Yea, he can. He didn't want to just make the point about my brushing teeth. He wanted to also make a point.


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[Assistant] Like, what would be the highest point if a team needed a


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[Assistant] Top five is complete on the defensive tackle side. Two Georgia guys there. One and two. You got Travis Jones from Yukon. Number three. You think all three of those guys are first round talents. Maybe four is a fringe and five is in the second round. Moving on to linebackers next, but you know, we're going to talk about more Georgia guys here. And I kind of wanted to bring something up here because


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[Assistant] That, you said, one of the most talented defenses, perhaps the most talented defense that you've ever seen in college, the best defense.


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[Assistant] Yep, because we got a couple more Georgia guys in the mix here for your linebackers. And before we get into your, your number five here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the linebacker position, this is the last one we're gonna do. Yup. You've reached the finish line. Thank you.


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[Assistant] Uh, has this one changed more so than other positions? I'm thinking about when we're growing up, right? And it was like the middle linebacker was like the anchor of the defense, the big strong bruiser that would come up, make hits. He was the leader, had the neck roll too. Maybe he was wearing two neck rolls at the time too. I mean, it seems like that position has changed significantly.


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[Assistant] Maybe not as sexy of a position as it was back when we were growing up, but last year there were a couple of sexy players. Micah Parsons was awesome.


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[Assistant] All right, that'll be number one, but we start with number five, as we always do, except for offensive lineman, where he did six, above and beyond, even this late into the scouting season. Uh, number five linebacker for your 2022 draft rankings.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what, uh, NFL.com quoted a pro personnel director for an NFC team said size speed production. He's got it. The rest of it can be coached. So kind of like the ability is there and he, he did come on at the end of the year and kind of like we were talking about with some of the other players in this draft.


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[Assistant] Now doctors at the Combine discovered he had a herniated disc, had a spinal fusion surgery in March. Will not play this season though he is expected to make a full recovery.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that's, that's, that's an issue, for sure. I didn't realize it was that serious. That's what, that's what Pete has written in our rundown here. Okay. Pete has done his own evaluations.


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[Assistant] Okay, and now hearing about the surgery, maybe you're putting in Mooma into a higher position.


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[Assistant] But he's number five for you right now in your linebacker rankings. Your number four is a guy who should be honored to be in the top five, but you're probably lower on him than a lot of other people are.


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[Assistant] I get that comparison height there for, uh, for Dean is in the fifth percentile. So yeah, he is smaller undersized for the position, which is not a knock that you give everyone. I mean, you've had some on the offensive side of the ball, some undersized offensive linemen you think can still do it.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, that's a good point because the production was high and he won the Butkus award at Georgia, also won it in high school. The third player to ever do that.


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[Assistant] Manti Teo and Jalen Smith both did that as well. So I mean, you're getting a guy who starred and had high production, high amount of tackles on a big time team, but you, you think that the production outweighs the talent.


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[Assistant] And so you would not take him in the first round I'm feeling.


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[Assistant] He did not run at the pro day or test at the pro day due to a peck strain I'm reading here. So maybe that's his reason. We invite him to come to Stamford, Connecticut and run a 40 in the parking lot.


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[Assistant] I know. But if you're lower on him, that must mean you're higher on some other players and I feel like you're higher on number three than a lot of the community out there.


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[Assistant] Well, his athleticism goes back into high school too. He was named Wisconsin's offensive and defensive player of the year. He was a linebacker and running back in high school. His combine numbers were really good. Um, last thing, pro football focus said those that covered a brick wall coming downhill will not find a better option in this class.


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[Assistant] You're sensing some team could get a good value on Leo Chanel out there, your number three linebacker. You might have to spend a little bit higher draft pick on your top two. And for number two, we go back to Georgia.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, that's good. It's interesting because, I mean, we've talked about all the talent on George's team, and so sometimes you get overlooked, sometimes you gotta transfer fear, uh, one player, but...


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[Assistant] He barely played his first two seasons at Georgia, was a rotational player in 2020, finally became a starter in 2021.


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[Assistant] That's just a function of there being so many great players. It's tough in Georgia.


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[Assistant] Gonna get thicker. That was the only thing he doesn't have is the wows that you gave to Chanel for the, uh, the rear and the legs. Channing Tindal was another guy, Georgia too, who's in the mix for one of the top linebackers.


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[Assistant] That's crazy. Three linebackers from one defense, all gonna get drafted. You like Quay Walker number two.


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[Assistant] I'm starting to think that, that Georgia, at least defensively,


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[Assistant] Not quite the elite talent that Micah Parsons was. We throw around generational talent, but Micah Parsons really was last year. What kind of impact could a guy like Devin Lloyd have on a team that drafts him?


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[Assistant] So you mentioned changing the complexion of a defense immediately from the moment they get there. Do you notice that with any of the linebackers that you watch, like their presence, their leadership, the way they orchestrate the defense, like they have that ability to be day one alpha dog, even though I'm a rookie coming into this league.


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[Assistant] Positional rankings for the 2022 NFL draft. There it is. Devin Lloyd from Utah with a couple of Georgia guys in the top five.


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[Assistant] Once again with Chad Muma from Wyoming. Yep. Barely missing out on the top five. Who knows? Maybe in a day or two, you'll put them in there. Um, but, uh, that's it. You've come to the finish line and we finish it with our friends over at points bat.


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[Assistant] They want to give us some odds on the first linebacker drafted. They think Devin Lloyd will go off the board first. So you do see Nakobe Dean a lot of places, but maybe our friend Jay Croucher over at Points Bet starting to hear the same things you're hearing.


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[Assistant] You want to get the tier one of each position group and that's not super, super deep, even though you might have some talent. Like wide receiver.


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[Assistant] On points bet right now, maybe plop some money on Devin Lloyd going number one off the board, or maybe N'Kobe Dean if you wanna, wanna get a little more juice there. Uhm, but you can, you can go over to points bet to do that right now Chris, and what, what else can they do over at points bet?


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[Assistant] We'll see, alright, alright, yeaah. Matt's saying don't give it away to even me right now. Uhm, but okay, you did it. You made it to the finish line. Deep breath. I know what you'll be doing when you get home.


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[Assistant] Edges, edges up there. Like your top, only your top 5. Like I'm not talking like top 20. I just mean your top 5.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's right. Two smart guys that used to play quarterback. We weren't smart enough to keep playing quarterback though.


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[Assistant] We're stupid enough to host podcasts. That's what we do. We talk in front of a mic. I don't know. There is, there is a, like a line of being too smart for your own good playing quarterback. So it seems to be less. I don't know why now than maybe when we grew up, like now it's like,


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[Assistant] The smart guys seem to be able to process it and be smart.


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[Assistant] But I do feel like, and you correct me if I'm wrong here, if my take is wrong here, cause this is a take. It's not like I've done real research here. But I do feel like as I was growing up, there was like,


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[Assistant] I talked to my dad's coaches and friend and like,


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[Assistant] If you were too smart at quarterback, they were literally like, well, he's like too smart. He's asking too many questions. He's reading too deep into this subject, right? There's a little too analytical. Like you're too good for your, you're too smart for your own good here.


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[Assistant] Well, where it's just like they question everything. And I was with a few quarterbacks like that in my career. And I had a head coach that was like, you're too smart for your own good. Stop asking so many questions. I'm not going to say who it was, but there was really that. Uh, but it doesn't seem to be an issue anymore. And then with Eli Manning's of the world and all these other guys have great


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[Assistant] Really smart, you know, uh, wonderlick scores. It seems like that's a myth now and you should be smart. Really smart.


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[Assistant] Forget it, I know coach said you had to go here first, but you saw it, just go there. And that's what makes Peyton Manning and Brady who they are. Because they are the smart guy, like you were talking about before.


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[Assistant] But then they have like the instincts and the natural feel for the game to be like, okay, I'm not a robot. Like, you know, coach said I'm supposed to do this, but I just noticed this and I'm going to throw it there. And yeah, so you're right. Okay. That was a good talk. I had the same one.


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[Assistant] Did you really? Release was not quite the same. Not quite the same, yet just a bit off. Uh, so wait, Wonderlic, Dan Marino, I feel like I have a pretty good feel. I think it was, was it Rio or LA?


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[Assistant] It was very, I think it was Marina. Elway was pretty up there, I believe. Elway was up there.


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[Assistant] I think Merino was considered middle of the pack, which is where I was as well. I was a middle of the pack guy. We should wonder lick it now. I would love to. It's actually fun test. Can you get it? I mean, I'm sure we can. I mean, all these agents are getting it.


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[Assistant] It's, it's just like, it's, uh, it's 60 questions progressively get harder, one through 60, so they just keep getting harder. I took the test twice, and I know I've told it on here before. Once illegally, a scout, my senior year in college, right?


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[Assistant] He smuggled you the wonder lid? He went, no, he went, he's like, hey, when practice's over today.


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[Assistant] He's an old scout. It was kind of famous around the league. I've told people in the NFL about this and they're like, Oh yeah, he's all mousy. He would do that. That's for sure. Hey, he came over to me as I was getting dressed for practice, right? Where scouts weren't even allowed to be in the locker room, but he was one of these guys that was like, eh, f**k it. I'll bend the rule here. And he came over to me and I'm getting dressed. Hey,


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[Assistant] Sims, after practice, just come see me in this room over here. I'll be in there just five, 10 minutes. That's all I need you for. Okay, cool. I know, but you know, he was, he was around a lot and I liked him and he talked balls. Oh yeah. Okay, cool. Sure. But then I went in there and he goes, here, I just want you to take this. It was the wonder league, you know, and I was probably at about a month left in college football season.


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[Assistant] And I took it. I did pretty good on it. I think I got a 27 on that one.


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[Assistant] But then when I went to the combine, I got, Pete could probably look it up. I think I got a 24 or maybe a 23. Okay. Somewhere in there, but it was all because


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[Assistant] Yeah, oh cool. I made up for it. I was so pissed taking the giant test. Awful. I was so pissed. I did it at the senior ball and I was literally like, I remember, you know, college football ends, go home for a few days, train, go to the senior ball, I'm practicing and all this. It's been a crazy busy time.


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[Assistant] Okay, it's an hour and 45 minutes later, I'm still here taking this test, and I was mucking the Giants, going, if there's one fucking team in football that knows me, and I've been around them my whole life, I was in the locker room at three,


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Anytime I had a physical problem, I came to the locker room. You know everything about me. Come on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm in the quarterback rankings. Listen, you know me, I'm not one that usually changes my rankings around a whole lot.


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[Assistant] No, and I try not to because I put all my, I mean, I go hard on my evaluations. I don't go like, oh, let me watch a little and then I'll come back to it a few weeks later and see if I change. I try to go all in all at once and that's what I do. But yes, if I had to make a switch right now, I'm going to make, uh,


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[Assistant] Leave Corral at one. I think Corral is still the only guy to me that's worthy of a top half of the first round pick.


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[Assistant] But Malik Willis number two and Kenny Pickett number three. I would like to make that change as far as Willis was my three, Pickett was my two. Let's flip those around. What was the deciding factor there? You know, I think really what I came down to is as the more and more I just thought about it, and I'm not even gonna lie, my dad led me down this road a little bit. My dad reads my notes, right?


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[Assistant] He likes to look at it and stuff, and hey, send me a picture of these notes, I'd do it.


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[Assistant] And he was kind of looking at it. He made a comment to me about two weeks ago. He's just like, you mean I'm reading your notes.


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[Assistant] Everything you say, like, you think Malik Willis is gonna be better. You just made picket number two because you think he's better right now.


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[Assistant] And he goes, but you're not drafting a quarterback for who's better right now. And I said, you're exactly right. He goes, you'd made Josh Allen your number one quarterback because you thought he was going to be the best quarterback in the league the second and third year or one of those guys that by that time.


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[Assistant] And that's when I went, yeah, you're right, dad. You're totally right. As much as I see there's the rawness factor of Willis and there's some things that I need to get cleaned up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I do believe that. And so that's, that's where I changed it. And yes, I'm going to go with a little bit more of that wow factor, high end talent. Yes, there's raw and some things to work on over the guy where I go, we've kind of reached the ceiling.


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[Assistant] And he's good and don't get me wrong. I don't want to be disrespectful, but just doesn't wow me a whole lot like I told you during that day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I try to listen to myself and think about it, and my dad, I do, I trust my dad, and you know, I mean, you know me well enough to know that I think and talk about this stuff all the time. So as sometimes, you know, again, it's raw, you just studied it, whatever else, you get a little time to digest, you start to think of


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[Assistant] Other little points that, oh wait, I should've, this makes sense and you start to juggle around. Wide receiver's probably another position I need to look at a little bit. I would tell you that's probably the other one I'm looking at to where I go. Might need to readjust a little there, but all in all, for the most part, I feel good everywhere else.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's fun. I, I like watching O-Line stuff. I do. You know, not that I'm gonna sit here and tell you I'm an expert and I'm, you know, I'm, you know, Dante Scar, I'm not Scarnecchia or, you know, one of the great O-Line coaches, uh, Bill Callahan and with the Cleveland Browns or anything like that.


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[Assistant] You know, Eastern European blockhead types that, you know, just whatever coach told them to do, they were going to do. Yes, sir. That was it. So yeah, I learned a lot from that. Uh, and, and learned. Yes, I did learn some online play up there. I did. I had to draw his pictures up a lot of the times. So yeah, I feel like, you know, I've been around some good ones.


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[Assistant] Not that I'm perfect here, but I feel like I certainly can spot a talented one, and I feel like there's at least no...


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[Assistant] Technique to a degree. I know there's nuances that I'm not as up on as some of the other great people evaluators online in the NFL, but know enough basics to go, this is good, this is bad, and this will work in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Is this the hardest one? It's the hardest because I think when you get towards the top, there's more little nuances like we're discussing a little that have to be taken into account.


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[Assistant] You know, as far as, you know, the arm length, the competition, what exactly is asked to be doing schematic wise? And then you have to get into...


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[Assistant] You know, some little different things as far as, ooh, hip tightness and, you know, can he squat his ass and get his ass down? The base, the punch, the bucket steps, you know, is he taking the right steps when he's pulling?


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[Assistant] Does he get his body kind of cheated in the right way? So those are the little things I think that like, you know, maybe separated that are very finite.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, heavy legged waist better, yeaah. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. It's springtime again. Yeaah, sure, yeaah. Heavy legged waist better, right? I mean, you know, big power underneath the, underneath the body and then, you know, it's pliable, can be in awkward positions, can...


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[Assistant] Get low as he's pulling around the edge as a pulling guard and, and get the bend going to get ready for that second level wrap around on the linebacker. I mean yea, there's, there's a lot of cool nuance phrases with uh,


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[Assistant] That would be the first thing I would say. We got a little bit of everything, right? Here, if you're watching on YouTube, this is a list of all Lyman drafted in the top 10 over the last six drafts. For the most part.


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[Assistant] I mean they've been, they've worked out pretty well except for the 2020 guys I would say there. Andrew Thomas and Jedrick Wills, you know Wills has been good.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's been 10 pick good. Andrew Thomas has been disappointment for the Giants to this point. Everybody else there has kind of lived up to their billing. There's some either good or really good things. Exactly right. I mean, Quentin Nelson's going to Hall of Fame right now, right? McGlinchey's been really good for the 49ers, got hurt last year. Ronnie Stanley's the best left tackle in football before he got hurt.


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[Assistant] Jack Conklin, it didn't kick ass in Tennessee, but it got real good, and then it got real good in Cleveland, so where he's very worthy of that. And, uh, let's see where Penny Sewell goes, you know, from here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Thomas was better last year. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I would think, you know, the Giants are, you know, they might be in the market for the O line. We'll see where it goes, but he's going to be starting on their own line for sure at one of the tackle positions.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're all ready. Like you said, it's top 6. It's top 6. And just an overall thing here. I mean,


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[Assistant] Very good group, especially the top end guys. I think there's probably...


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[Assistant] I think you legitimately can have 8-0 Lyman drafted in the first round. Wow. Definitely. You're talking tackle, guard, center. The honorable mentions I'm going to name after them, two of them are first round talents for sure. And I would think they're going to go in the first round. These six to me, I think are pretty special. You know me, I like to do the top five.


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[Assistant] I mean, all six are going in the first round, and I think the two we name after will too as well.


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[Assistant] We wonder what that means for the fact that we're wondering about if two or three quarterbacks would go. Oh, that's what I mean. The more and more I look at this, I have a pretty good feel for the draft right now. Linebacker's the only thing I'm not complete on.


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[Assistant] The one thing I know, you know, you hear people say there's no superstars in this draft. Okay, I would agree with that. Fine, there's no Miles Garrett, Jevion Clowney, or whatever, that kind of guy, right? Yeah. I get it. A lot of really good though, like, whoa.


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[Assistant] You know, top 20 picks where you go, this guy's going to be a multiple pro bowl player in the starter for eight to 10 years, right? And then there's a ton of, I, I like.


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[Assistant] 60 plus guys that I wrote 20 to do 45 on in the draft.


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[Assistant] 20-45. 20-45. Okay, that's 60 guys. We're in the third round here. So I think that speaks to the depth of the draft, but the thing I was getting to about your quarterback conversation there is, I do think at every position,


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[Assistant] Even this one here we're gonna hit on. There's two or three guys that stand alone at the position.


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[Assistant] And there is a drop off. Not to say those guys at the drop off aren't good, but these three guys are a clear cut above the rest. And I think that's going to make the top 15 picks very valuable in a year where you look at the quarterbacks and yes, it's not really a,


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[Assistant] You know, a killer year or there's, you know, I wouldn't take, you know, like you've heard me say, Corral's the only one I would even think about taking on the first half of the round. The other guys I would not. Willis probably right after that and pick it a little down the line.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I think it's going to make those top 15 picks valuable because teams are going to look at it and go, wait.


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[Assistant] Yeah, number six, Kenyon Green from, uh, Texas A&M. Uh, I mean, he's the guy that, you know, really, we're gonna have another guard in front of him here in a second, but, first off,


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[Assistant] Huge body, heavy legged waist bender. How do you like that, Paulie? Right off the bat. Yea, if it fits. I mean, really, it is.


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[Assistant] It's a bad thing. Mike didn't like it. He didn't like it. If you want to say it's a good thing, I'm down with that. He's not heavy legged. He's not heavy legged. This is a really good athlete. But he's got power. Yes. That's why I go heavy legged that way. He can drive people, root people out of the ground that way.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe a hair pear shape, but a huge body, long arms.


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[Assistant] And the reason I made him the second guard behind the guy we're going to get to in a second, uh, the stalemates, things like that, right? You're in the wrestling like this guy. Oh man, we both hit each other hard. Now we're trying to like, he could fall off at times. He might every now and then lose that. And I want to say lose that battle, but not win that battle or continue to stalemate because he would fall off.


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[Assistant] But as far as all the athletic stuff is concerned, I mean, the guy is phenomenal. I mean, anything, really. Pulling, you know.


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[Assistant] Straight ahead explosion, off the ball.


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[Assistant] Getting to the second level. Now the reason he's six is there's a little bit of a rawness to him. He's not perfect technically all the time. He will take a wrong step every now and then or maybe take a wrong angle right up to the second level. You know, I talked about maybe the leg drive stops on contact every now and then he might fall off.


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[Assistant] But that's, it's being, you know, very picky here. I'm holding it to a first round standard. I was amazed by the player, let alone the guy has legit


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[Assistant] I just go, no, if you let him stay there and let him play and kinda get ready, used to the nuances.


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[Assistant] He could be a big time left tackle, but I think for sure he's a big time guard. That's for sure. You know, the pop off the ball, the way he can move people that way, you know, he's a little, he's very pliable.


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[Assistant] You know, the guy we're going to talk to in a minute is a little bit more rocked up and you're stiff guard. This guy's got a little bit more of, hey, a little bit more of a soft body. It might be a little more center gravity related, you know, with just a little bit of a belly and stuff, but not sloppy. I don't want to say that. Just I'm trying to paint a picture for everybody out there.


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[Assistant] Uh, always keeps a good base. You know, so everything you looked at athletically, you just went, oh, check it off the box. Oh, here's NFL defensive tackles. He holds his own and then some against them. So he was a really good football player. And like I said, the issues I had were just the position movement and a few little like,


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[Assistant] Easy, coachable fixes that I would look at to go, these aren't worries, this is just somebody who's gonna get on his ass and coach.


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[Assistant] No, it doesn't really, it doesn't, you know, I mean again, the 524, the 40, right? Alright, that's slow, I get it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're just okay. They're okay. You're right. You know, again, but-


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[Assistant] When I watch him pop off the ball, there's great explosion. You know, I'm not necessarily lurid about his long speed. You see him pull around the edge and, or even get out in the screens. I never at once went, man, he's just less of an athlete than I was expecting.


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[Assistant] You know, this is one where you turn on the film and then you look back and look at the profile a little bit and you go, wait, really? These are just numbers? That's kind of surprising. Because it just, nothing shows of that. Nothing. So, you know, I don't know what the story is there, but uhm,


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[Assistant] Hands down, NFL, long time starting guard. Like I said, with a little bit of the versatility to move around if need be. And as I told you, I just...


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[Assistant] You know, he's dominant at guard at times. I mean, not at times. He's dominant. He shows true dominance there.


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[Assistant] And I think between that, the get off, the base always being good, uhm, you know, I looked at him and just said this is a first round guard for sure. There's zero physical concerns with the players, the player, the negative is just a little of the coaching and the technique like we talked about and all the changes.


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[Assistant] He has a very high ceiling and, you know, I don't think it's a very low floor either to go along with it. It's a really good football player.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Number five, we're gonna go with Zion Johnson from Boston College. Who's a hell of a football player. Now, like here, to compare him with Kenyon Green, I don't think he's as athletic as Kenyon Green. I don't. Watching the film, I went, no, Kenyon Green's clearly the better athlete. You're a big traits guy, so what makes him higher rated? Well, you know, this guy like,


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[Assistant] You don't ever see him really do anything wrong. I mean, that's the big thing. So the other guy's a little bit all the potential and like I talked about, there's a few raw elements in here. With this guy too, you know, again, the film is awesome and we're still talking about a very powerful, strong guy here and a pretty good athlete to go with it. Little stiffer.


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[Assistant] Then, then Kenyon Green, who we were just talking about, but as far as like, you know, pure power, getting off the ball, dominating blockers.


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[Assistant] I mean, letting no one even move him and pass protection.


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[Assistant] You know, always kind of being in the right positions body wise. Other than his stance, he has a weird stance. He's got that, you know, kind of got that stance of like, I can't remember who it was back in the old day where like the knee kind of collapses in on one side a little bit.


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[Assistant] Was that Randall McDaniel? Was that Randall McDaniel? Is that who it was? I know, I was gonna say like, Dermotty Dawson at first, but I think you're right, it was Randall McDaniel. Yeah. Uh, so he kinda has that weird stance. Weird stance before he mauled everybody. That's kinda what this is. It's the only thing to question on this kid is the stance. Yeah. He's very instinctive.


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[Assistant] You know, Boston College, of course, they're very well coached up there, but, you know, always the right langles to the second level. But, you know, not as impressive in space as Kenyon Green in my, in, uh, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] But I think overall the clean, the negative plays are less than, of course he played guard the whole time and he is truly like day one you're gonna be able to throw him in and start at


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[Assistant] I know. He can do it all. There's nothing you're gonna look at. Again, there's another guy that I think if you had injuries on your NFL offense line, he went, man, we gotta play him a tackle. He could probably do it. He can. But he's made to be a guard. He is. He's got the guard build, the power.


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[Assistant] You know, he's 34 inch long arms, but to me the arms, I don't know, they don't pop off on film. And, you know, again, I'll stay one more time. I thought the other kid was a better athlete.


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[Assistant] When I first started watching this kid, I went, oh, you know, he's a mauler, you know. He's, he's got the look of a good athlete, but there's a little stiffness to his game. But as I went on with the film, one of the things I wrote down is the more I watch, the more I kind of like the athlete. I do. You know, straight line, he's awesome. Pulling awesome.


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[Assistant] You know, space adjustments, right? This is where I would say Kenyon Green had a different, a little bit better ability. Not that he was always...


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[Assistant] Did it better because he might have not had the right technique at times. When I say space adjustments, right? Like, you know, think about guard center. We're both blocking the nose tackle and now I gotta, now I gotta go to the second level and cut off the will linebacker or do something like that.


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[Assistant] You know, guys could make a move on him at the second level every now and oh, I missed him and then he got by me and went through the A gap, right?


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[Assistant] So those were some of the negatives, is where I meant the stiffness. Where Kenyon Green was a little more pliable and had been like, oh wait, you freaked me out, but I still can get back over there and knock you out of the way to where you can't get in the play. If that makes sense. I hope I'm painting the picture the right way there. Uhm, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] I mean- I do like the comparisons. Yeaah. I kinda like to- Doesn't ever lose a battle, this dude. Yeaah. The stalemates is the other reason I would say I would go with this guy. Okay. Cause the stalemates ended up always going in his favor. Yeaah. Cause he had enough power, kept the legs going and his arms, you can even see it on film, his arms are just more developed and have a more strong look to him, to where he could kinda win those wrestling matches more times


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[Assistant] I just think I'm gonna go with, the biggest thing I'm gonna go with is one is totally ready and I have no questions about. The other one


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[Assistant] Not so much to where I go, wait, there's a few things in the technique that I gotta, you know...


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[Assistant] So he's not such a great athlete that the technique issues you go, Oh, I'm not worried about that. So that's where I think I got to put Zion Johnson ahead of them that way. All right. Yeah. He's a little lesser of an athlete, but I think in all other areas.


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[Assistant] He's a better football player. I guess that's where I'm going with that, if that makes sense. How high would you expect him to go? 20 to 32, that's kind of where I wrote, right in that range, somewhere in there.


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[Assistant] You know, the pass protection I think was the thing I was very impressed with. I really was. Legs were always underneath them and a good anchor. You know, very good punch and hand usage, which you don't always see from guards in the, you know, coming out of college. But like, doesn't let tackles.


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[Assistant] That's kind of what it is. Exactly right. You know, he's not perfect, but he's, he's damn good. He is. And there's no question that, you know, he's a first round guard and a starting guard really right away day one. Uh, I like both of these guys a lot. Like I said, Zion Johnson, I think it's just the cleans film, the film is cleaner and he's ready to go right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Charles Cross, Mississippi State. That's where I'm gonna go here. Now, you know, I know a lot of people, he's, he's part of the big three as far as the tackle position is concerned, right? Uhm, really good specimen, you know, has a body you look at right away and you just go, oh man, he just, he looks like an NFL left tackle.


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[Assistant] Alright, he's got arms long as hell, so all the things you like for tackle are perfect.


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[Assistant] Two, one, you know, can play a little high, alright? That was the one thing that I did not love. And then, you know, he's a little like, uhm, I'm gonna get to the, the,


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[Assistant] Tightness in his hips to really be in a strong athletic position and have your base underneath you. That's what I mean. Where, you know, he at times can, it just seems too upright.


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[Assistant] And there are moments of when he can get pushed back or pushed around, right? And, you know, I'm big on bass. You know, of course that's, that's a huge thing. You know, again, when Cam Jordan puts his hand on the ground and just goes, I'm going to that spot as fast as I can go.


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[Assistant] Well then you better have some special base to stop that guy and put your foot in the ground and have an anchor to stop him. And that's always my concern with these type of guys. So that's my issue with him. He is the rawest of these tackles. Great feet. Awesome in space. Okay.


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[Assistant] But, yes, can play like, way too high, alright? That's, that's the first thing, uh, that comes together.


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[Assistant] Can have moments in past protection where, you know, again, it can be less than because the mechanics aren't good. The feet can get close together.


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[Assistant] But yes, his film to me was not on the level of the other two tackles we're going to talk about here in a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well I think what they mean by like sticky is that like when he gets his hands on you, they kind of stick on there. Right? Is that what they're meaning by that? Like overall? But he's not holding. I didn't think, I didn't come away looking at it as holding. I didn't see like holding being an issue with him overall. Now what's an issue with him is how bland their offense is.


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[Assistant] It's, you know, one protection all the time. It's, of course, they throw the ball every play. They only run one run play. He's gonna be clueless in the run game.


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[Assistant] He's gonna be clueless. So he's very basic as far as that stuff is concerned. And he only started two years ago. That's what I mean. So he could be a guy where you draft him and I don't think there's a guarantee he's like starting for you in year one. I don't think there's a guarantee.


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[Assistant] You know, starting potential to where he's good enough to where you take him and okay, yeah, you hope he starts year one, but if he has to be your sixth allignment or whatever, and then you get him in the next year, so what?


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, this is an athlete who needs to play and needs to be coached more. That's really the biggest thing that I came away with more than anything else. You heard me about the pad level, you know, uh, doesn't have the same pop and physicality and get off and to be able to drive people off the ball.


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[Assistant] Like the two tackles we'll talk about, or even like the two guards we just talked about. He's not quite at their level in that department. So, those are the things I would look at more than anything.


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[Assistant] And then you heard me say, you know, the mechanics, the anchor were not on the level, especially of the top two, uh, pass protectors in the draft, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. It doesn't matter. To me it's an overblown thing again. It's just got in a scouting world. Alright, if he ran a 5-2 or a 5-3.


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[Assistant] And then I turned on the film and go, whoa, he's fucking sluggish off the start, off the ball. It's sluggish. Whoa, woo. Alright. And then I start to go, man, anything he does laterally, moving his feet, side to side, all that, damn, it's slow as shit. I'd go, okay, he's slow, he's a shitty athlete. That's it. You know?


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[Assistant] But, there's also the Orlando Brown thing to go, oh wait, okay, he ran 5-7-9 at the combine. Who gives a shit? Nobody ever turned the corner on him against Oklahoma. Nobody ever pushed him back. But, we decided the last 35 yards of a 40 yard race that an offensive tackle never has to run all of a sudden mattered.


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[Assistant] And that's to me where I just like, yeah, I don't, you know, it's a good thing to have, but it's not a starter or a finisher for me either way. Right. I guess is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't be like, if you told me, oh, he's not starting at the end of training camp, you know, they're going to have, he's the sixth guy. He's going to, okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm not shocked by that. I understand that.


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[Assistant] You know, like you said, he hasn't played a lot. He came from a school that doesn't do a lot. They throw the ball every play in the shotgun. It's the same pass protection every play. So, there's gonna be a little there to it. But, you're getting a guy that does have the potential to be like, all pro. That's the thing.


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[Assistant] You know, there's no physical limitations or weakness to the player.


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[Assistant] Overall, you just gotta fix some of those things and give it a little time. But yes, to your point, I wrote, the other two tackles are top five-ish, top eight-ish picks.


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[Assistant] This guy to me is 18 to 32. That's where, now he'll probably be overdrafted because I think because of the measurables and what we're talking about here. But to me that's, yeaah, he's in the second half of the first round for me.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Number three, we are going back inside until one of the fun watches and we're going to Baldi's homeschool, baby.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I would. I'd have no problem with making a center undersized in the first round. I don't. I mean, you know, one, again, it's, I never liked to, like, put


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[Assistant] I mean, again, I, I'm almost gonna just read it. I, I, you know, first I went, whoa, athletic looking old lineman. Looks like Jason Kel, Kelsey type of body.


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[Assistant] Maybe even a hair smaller than Kelsey. Woah, you can see how athletic the guy is right away. Second level, reach blocks, I mean none of this is gonna be an issue. Anything speed, twitch, explosive, great.


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[Assistant] Hips, insane. I mean, pulling, you know, speed puller, adjusting on the fly, being in a weird position, getting low, getting out of it, going to another guy, it's all crazy. But like, here, you know, here he is, and now I'm probably about 50 plays in, and I go,


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[Assistant] Not really, no. You know, and again, even as awesome as the Big Ten is, like we were, we had this little talk right before the, the pod today. It ain't the SEC. That's the one thing I'll, I'll say. I mean, again, the Big Ten's great, but the SEC's got like a professional defensive tackle on every team. And there's teams in the Big Ten that don't have that all the time. But either way,


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[Assistant] My summation of that would be that no, he's not gonna have issues with that. First off, it, it, the film is, is impeccable.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's really impeccable. Okay, he has 290. I mean, I know he's the big 10. He's playing against some NFL defensive tackles next year or whatever. I know there's not a lot of them in this draft. No, but he never loses a play.


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[Assistant] I mean, the negative plays for him, Paul, are just like...


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[Assistant] And even when he's overpower- or somebody's bigger, I don't want to say overpowered because he was never overpowered on film. But even when people were bigger than him,


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[Assistant] He's such a good athlete and understands the game and is so like instinctive that he knows how to get his body in positions and stuff to not let that guy make the play or make the tackle. You know, so that's where I make him number three because


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[Assistant] Center's an important position in the NFL right now. There's a lot of good defensive tackles.


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[Assistant] Teams have a lot of teams that have small, fast defensive tackles where these big guards and centers can't match up with some of these guys.