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[Assistant] You know, the weight's harder to lose, the aches, the pains, the everything are going the wrong direction. It truly is sliding down the slope.


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[Assistant] Archery season, but my calendar looks best for the first week. Your calendar or the calendar? My calendar. Okay.


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[Assistant] Hopefully my physical therapist can get me above your minimum draw weight and...


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[Assistant] Yeah. Hey, you aren't going to believe a question that was asked at the seminar at the Zika Depot?


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[Assistant] A guy sitting there with his wife next to him. Yeah. And he raises his hand and he says, how can I convince my wife to let me hunt more?


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[Assistant] When I got to about my third year, I decided I was way more interested in peace than I was justice. Yup.


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[Assistant] I said after the third year, if you don't come to your senses about who's the boss,


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[Assistant] Was how many women were there who hunted? Yeah. I'm like, man, you guys got it made. You got to build your own partner here. You know.


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[Assistant] The fun part about doing all these seminars and traveling and being in front of that many people is you really get a lot of feel for the questions that people have.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was surprised it wasn't until the very end of the seminar that the issue of corner crossing came up.


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[Assistant] When I've done four in the Seattle area, four in the Portland area, that was like question number two or three. Really? Yeah. So I guess we'll find out how that's going to shake out. Uh, the case, uh, the Wyoming case where they, they beat the criminal trespass charges. Uh, then they got sued for seven and a half million, uh, the four hunters from Missouri.


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[Assistant] Pre-podcast meetings and all their research and everything else.


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[Assistant] But I, I do put a lot of value on having the best possible information when some of these contentious issues come up. I know what I want for an outcome. I mean we all, right, we all want the hunters to win. But I also need to know what's the law.


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[Assistant] What is, how does this play out? How are these laws the way they are? Why are they the way they are? And uh, what are the legal


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[Assistant] This is what the attorneys are projecting is if the hunters win.


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[Assistant] Because I worry that we're going to see another huge attack on public land if the hunters win in that.


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[Assistant] 99% of them give the other 1% a bad name.


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[Assistant] Now we're going to get all kinds of emails from attorneys.


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[Assistant] You know what I saw the other day? I saw a content calendar or a production calendar for outdoor class.


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[Assistant] That's 90% of it right there. If you need somebody to backfill with just like nerdy stuff, that's what accountants like sell at.


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[Assistant] Okay, however, as long as I can stick to the nerdy stuff.


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[Assistant] Now we don't have green 16-column paper to do our, you know, calculations.


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[Assistant] You don't need help. Tell me where you want some sidebar filler and some entertainment. Okay.


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[Assistant] But you don't have dust collecting on a set of antlers in the rafter. And I can do it every single year. That's like...


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[Assistant] I mean it's, it's too long for a bumper sticker or a t-shirt, but.


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[Assistant] You know, when you want to talk about the value of cow elk hunting and he's just, he's checking a lot of boxes, right? All the meat, a lot of fawn. You learn a lot about elk. You can get a tag every year.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I was, uh, did I tell you that my wife cancelled her cow-owl cut in Wyoming this year?


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[Assistant] Well, we were scheduled, she drew a general elk tag down there and, uh, she's like, ah, I'm going to wait. I'll just go down and shoot a cow. Okay. Well, we had this window of time just before Christmas and it got 38 below zero. She said, you know, I'm not sure I need an elk that bad. I'm like, but honey.


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[Assistant] Really? In some place. If there's some place I'm confident that the numbers can sustain it and it's not just a game agency.


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[Assistant] No, grow season opens September 1st. Scratch that. That's why I can't go until the shift. I gotcha.


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[Assistant] So did you see the, uh, email we got from the guy who drew the same tag you had up in Alaska?


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[Assistant] So this is, you're saying that Alaska Elk, where you went, is one of the few things in life where one


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[Assistant] Is good enough to is the downhill side of good. One gets you to the pinnacle.


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[Assistant] Two would take you down the other side into the abyss.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, if that's all we got for today, I guess, are you done with basketball?


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[Assistant] You got an update on your wolf trapping yet?


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[Assistant] Yeah, have you, uh, arrived at the conclusion I have that my trapping


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[Assistant] Has made me a way better student of animals, uh, which makes me a better hunter.


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[Assistant] Whatever skill I may have accumulated as a hunter.


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[Assistant] Both of which freeze at night. And these big-footed wolves, they just move right across that stuff. Or your trap freezes into that wet ground or that crusty snow.


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[Assistant] So here's another bad thing that happened over the weekend. Friday afternoon, I'm at work. Somebody sends flowers to the house.


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[Assistant] I came home and I could just tell. You know how sometimes you walk in the door?


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[Assistant] Other than it didn't say, Kim, thanks for taking care of Randy, da da da da da.


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[Assistant] Now I'm getting flowers on the way home. There you go. Good idea. Yup.


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[Assistant] I'm going to do that. So when she says, when I come in tonight, she's going to say, what made you decide to do this? I'm going to say, well, Gloria pointed out to me that being over medicated really wasn't a good excuse for not getting you flour.


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[Assistant] If you want way more detail, go out to, uh, go on and check out their strategy articles.


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[Assistant] Brady and trail and those guys will have amazing strategy articles. And if you sign up, use promo code.


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[Assistant] Elk Talk, and they'll give you 50 bucks in their gear shop, right? Yep.


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[Assistant] The PT group said, can we see your credit card? They did not. And I just like the hospital. They didn't ask for my insurance card. Need to see your credit card.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah, what's your balance on this credit card? We'll take the rest of it.


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[Assistant] But when I was coming out of the PT shop, I look over and my stockbroker buddy is in there getting work done. I'm like, Brian, what the hell are you doing in here?


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[Assistant] He's like, oh, I hyper extended my knee. I thought, well, he'd been out skiing or something.


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[Assistant] He, and then he saw my flipper here, he's like, oh my gosh, what happened to you?


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[Assistant] There you go. Now that I've called him out, he's probably going to come up with some other thing, you know.


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[Assistant] They made too sharp of a corner. Yup. Oh wow. Let's let them go. I got way more rabbit hole. Let's let them go. We gotta let them go Cory. Okay. You have a great day. You too.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is also brought to you by Mountain Ops, making outdoor energy and performance nutrition to make you a stronger and healthier elk hunter.


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[Assistant] They have a full line of hunting related supplements including meal replacement shakes, multivitamins, pre-workout fuel and post-workout recovery.


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[Assistant] And my favorite, their new Performance Protein Bars that, by the way, are packed with 270 calories and 20 grams of protein, but contain less than 6 grams of sugar. Visit MountainOps.com to learn more and to order, and be sure to use the promo code ELKTOCK to save on your next order.


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[Assistant] And we have a promo code for Gerber as well. Just use the code ELKTALK to save 20% on your orders at gerbergear.com.


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[Assistant] Lastly, the University of Elk Hunting online course is a proud partner of the Elk Talk podcast. And within the University of Elk Hunting online course, you're going to find nearly 60 chapters organized in 17 modules of elk hunting instruction aimed at making you a more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] Just visit elk101.com and use the promo code ELKDOC to save 20% when you sign up for a membership to the University of Elk Hunting online course.


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[Assistant] I told them basically I have no clue where they go from the research I gathered. They go into the fixed stuff and they're hard to find, but.


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[Assistant] You know, honestly, there's, there's really only two places you can, you can hunt in the unit. You know, right in the middle, there's a section of National Forest and then you've got BLM surrounding all the private, but uhm, my, my research so far has shown that


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[Assistant] Get overlooked and are hard to get into. The Skousans who've been on Destination Elk the last couple of years, they hunted that unit a few years back and they had some


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[Assistant] I've never even applied for Elk, I've just built points and now that I drew it, it's...


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[Assistant] And, you know, Colorado always throws a wrench in there, that, that muzzleloader season that falls right in the prime time. And so the question is, is it better to go before the muzzleloader season when there's no pressure?


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[Assistant] Is it better to go during the muzzleloader season? Are the muzzleloader hunters going to have that much of an effect? Or is it better to go after the muzzleloader season, knowing that the dates and the moon and everything are good, but the elk are going to have been pressured from the muzzleloader hunters?


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[Assistant] You know, just kind of weigh each of the pros and the cons.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, and that's, I mean, moisture is obviously the key, and I don't know if they've been getting, like we have, you know, Montana, Idaho, we've been getting just pounded with moisture this year.


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[Assistant] Once you get a little bit more in that southern latitude, it's the summer monsoons that make the bigger difference because it does, it just, it creates that feed and


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[Assistant] That's what I'm hoping for, is that there's some, some water off of the private land to create some feed so the elk don't feel like they have to be so concentrated.


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[Assistant] Over $12,000 in elk hunting gear were given away. Cool. Do I qualify? Uh, well...


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[Assistant] Yeah, just go to Elk 101 and there will be a big banner on the home page and there will be a landing page you can go to and get all the details.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I saw, I think I got an email and was asked to answer some questions, uh, based on being a non-resident hunter.


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[Assistant] There were a lot of leading questions that made me feel that there was something probably on the horizon.


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[Assistant] And that's, I mean, Colorado was all over the counter. You know, Wyoming, the general tag is over the counter for residents. It's as close to over the counter as you, you get for a non-resident and then Montana's got the general license that it's kind of the same thing. It's over the counter for residents.


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[Assistant] It used to be pretty much over-the-counter for non-residents, but now it's taking longer and yeaah, I think over-the-counter opportunities are getting less.


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[Assistant] Well Colorado's just heading down the path of probably going to, you know.


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[Assistant] From a tax standpoint, uh, cost of living standpoint, the very liberal hunting opportunities for residents, uh, really good hunting quality for a lot of the species. But there's only one, one big problem and that is,


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[Assistant] Like to and as I usually do, but it's still, you know, I've been getting after it a bit. I've been shooting guns a little bit too.


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[Assistant] Well, we, uh, we did have teams. They were four man teams and really cool concept. Uh, it's basically like the total archery challenge, but for rifle you.


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[Assistant] And, uh, yeah, and then, you know, some of the stages, they make you grab 200 pounds worth of sandbags and shuttle them from,


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[Assistant] A lot of fun stuff, but I was, uh, I was teamed up with Burt Soren, who, uh, he's the


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[Assistant] President, CEO of Soarin' X Gym Equipment.


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[Assistant] Both sides of the trail and you had to walk along the trail and, and that was the other thing. These, they're animal targets.


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[Assistant] And so you have to spot them, you know, when you have your allotted time to shoot, they say go.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I will say my, my physical conditioning that I've been really, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, where I am fitness wise, conditioning wise right now, uh, with still time to go before season, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there is a, an estrous cry that the cows use to communicate to the bulls that they are in estrous and ready to be bred. And, uh, yeah, I go through, there's a whole section on


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[Assistant] What that sound means and how to replicate it, it's definitely a more complicated sound to make.


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[Assistant] TV shows and hunting videos for several years there that was, you know, uh, probably more of a marketing.


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[Assistant] And I've used it with some luck. You know, I think the bulls know when it's time for the cows to come into estrus, so they get a little bit.


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[Assistant] And then we'll go down there to look for an arrow or look for blood. And it's like, ah, which tree was he by? You know, where did he go? And we'll spend a lot of time just trying to pick up that initial track in, in some terrain. So.


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[Assistant] And usually it takes 15, 20 minutes to kind of sort out the shot location and which direction he's going and how much blood there is. And at that point, you know, you can decide whether you want to continue or not. But the last thing you want to do, elk are tough animals and the last thing you want to do is just


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[Assistant] Take off walking after them and bump them, you know, a hundred yards out, they go out there and they're feeling sick and might even bed down and you go out there and bump an elk and throw a whole bunch of adrenaline into him.


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[Assistant] They can go a long way even with a hole in two lungs. I've seen them go several hundred yards and so you always want to make sure and give them, give them time to


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[Assistant] In that moment especially, yeaah, time does not go by quickly. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] By September, they're gonna have that fire out and, you know, we hunted in Colorado several years ago on an over-the-counter tag and that place, it burned in, I think, same thing, June.


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[Assistant] And it was, there was grass that was two to three feet tall, you know, just green, luscious grass because they had gotten so much rain in July and August that it did and the elk were all over in there, you know, that's, burns are good, good attractors for elk anyway, you throw a whole bunch of green grass in the middle of a burn and elk will be all over it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, how, uh, how are the, what's the flood situation over?


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[Assistant] I was just gonna say, you know, anytime somebody starts talking about gay me, elk me, my first thought that always comes to mind is, they left the hide on too long.


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[Assistant] And I think the only time I've ever tasted elk meat that tastes gamey, whether it's a


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[Assistant] If you leave that hide on and don't let that meat cool quickly,


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[Assistant] Well, how do you get subscribers if you don't force them to? But if you do subscribe to the University of L. County online course or if you're already a member, then, uh, your odds go up.


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[Assistant] I'm like, well, I think Mike's supposed to be out here somewhere. Maybe that was Mike shooting.


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[Assistant] Like, what's that out there right next to that bush out there? Like, I don't know. What is it?


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[Assistant] All I could think about staring at him in his crosshairs, his face on, all I see is this big body.


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[Assistant] And you look at it like, oh, that's a target rich environment. But if you're trying to single one out a solo target, there is much easier to go into than a big group. We record everything.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is also brought to you by Mountain Ops, making outdoor energy and performance nutrition to make you a stronger and healthier elk hunter.


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[Assistant] They have a full line of hunting related supplements including meal replacement shakes, multivitamins, pre-workout fuel and post-workout recovery, and my favorite, their new performance protein bars that by the way are packed with 270 calories and 20 grams of protein, but contain less than 6 grams of sugar.


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[Assistant] Visit MountainOps.com to learn more and to order and be sure to use the promo code ELKTOCK to save on your next order.


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[Assistant] And we have a promo code for Gerber as well. Just use the code ELKTALK to save 20% on your orders at gerbergear.com.


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[Assistant] And we are also brought to you by Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls. And Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls is the original designer and inventor of the pallet plate diaphragm that's completely changed the way elk calls are made and used. And to find out more and to order your elk calls, go to rockymountainhuntingcalls.com.


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[Assistant] or buglingbull.com and use promo code elktalk and you're going to save 15% on all of your elk calls and elk call accessories.


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[Assistant] Lastly, the University of Elk Hunting online course is a proud partner of the Elk Talk podcast. And within the University of Elk Hunting online course, you're going to find nearly 60 chapters organized in 17 modules of elk hunting instruction aimed at making you a more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] Just visit elk101.com and use the promo code ELKDOC to save 20% when you sign up for a membership to the University of Elk Hunting online course.


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[Assistant] So they do have iPhones in Minnesota then. Oh yeah, they do.


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[Assistant] And we're soaked to the bone. I mean, there is no way around. And I think that the thing that we had planned on was being able to build a fire and had we been able to build a fire, the entire situation would have been different. It really would have changed the dynamics of going back to, uh,


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[Assistant] I don't know, 60 to 90 minutes probably. Soaking wet, 20 mile an hour wind, 50 degrees in a downpour.


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[Assistant] I can't, you know, I've got, I can't break my leg here. I can't do anything. Cause if I sit, we have nothing dry. We don't have enough gear, you know, other than our sleeping bag that's back in the tent so it stays dry. I have no other way of, of getting warm here. So there's, you know, there's that. And I think that for me was the biggest thing.


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[Assistant] But it's dry here in Idaho and you can build a fire. I mean, middle of the winter, I can get a fire going anywhere here in Idaho. There's, there's always something dry to break off and get a fire going. So I think that is the, that was the deal breaker, the fire. You know, if I'd broke my leg and been able to get a fire going, I'd have been fine. But not being able to get a fire going, that's, that's the, that's the issue I think. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You know, this isn't very serious. You could have done this. You could have done this. You could have done this. But then I thought,


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[Assistant] He, he did the right things. You know, he, he toughed it out. He had grit. And I think that's so important. The mental part of it. You know, for me in Alaska, that was everything. I mean, I never


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[Assistant] Put yourself in situations that aren't always comfortable. Go out and camp in the rain. You know, just knowing that you've got, you can get, climb back in your truck and go home if you really have to, but the more that you do things that are uncomfortable, the more mentally strong you're going to get, and that goes to physical conditioning. If you're working out with a weighted pack,


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[Assistant] Stopping, collecting yourself is so important so you don't start making bad decisions, recognizing that hey,


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[Assistant] Uh, and at night, you know, he'd come back after logging and we'd lay in the camper and I'd just beg him to tell me more stories about search and rescues that he'd been on. And you know, it came down to just about every one.


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[Assistant] Got on another spike, I was just hiking, looking for elk and walked over a ridge and there's a spike feeding below me at 30 yards and he walked over the hill and I cow called once and he ran up to 15 yards from me. So there was, you know, there were opportunities with those big bulls. I didn't see a mature bull.


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[Assistant] And I, you know, I'm looking at Fiordland and New Zealand and other challenging places that are probably going to be somewhat similar, but different enough that I'm still willing to consider that.


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[Assistant] Non-resident, over-the-counter opportunity, you know, there's a, there's going to be an impact from this survey for sure.


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[Assistant] Uh, not until this year. So we've had the zones and the reason they do that is it's different managing elk in the desert of southwest Idaho than it is in the rainforest of northern Idaho. So they, they broke it, broke the state into these zones that


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[Assistant] And so the resident hunters, you know, they complained, all I see is non-resident hunters. Uh, you know, obviously if the non-residents are going there, there's probably a reason, you know, it's probably good hunting and so there's probably a hype.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that was a debacle, but what it did was they set a limit on the number of non-residents that could purchase tags in each of these zones. And I've heard from quite a few people that it did help in a lot of areas.


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[Assistant] Uh, we saw with the area we went, which first time we'd ever been there, but all we saw were non-resident vehicles. And so didn't see any.


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[Assistant] No. And I think it's important to use the word non-consumptive. They're free to be a non-consumptive


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[Assistant] Thousands and thousands of acres of public land that's been traditionally locked up are really hard to access, so.


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[Assistant] Our contribution to the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, their usage of that, those revenues and that finance is able to be compounded like


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[Assistant] You know, a bigger piece of pie there and the same number of people now there.


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[Assistant] 40 or 50, uh, new construction homes that were all at the same phase of construction in one little subdivision.


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[Assistant] Pre-built homes that are being lived in and new construction going on when it grows. This was like an entire subdivision that they started building all of the homes in it at the same time.


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[Assistant] You don't do that unless you've got a whole bunch of buyers lined up that are, that are coming in and we just never, we've never seen growth like that. Idaho is the number one growing state in the United States right now.


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[Assistant] You know, the thing you need to do is just bring you a big Ziploc bag full of oatmeal raisin cookies, and you'll be fine.


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[Assistant] That's what I've been waiting for. You know, it's, I've got to hunt a lot with my kiddos and I wouldn't trade it for anything, but it's always been a Friday night, Saturday deal or an after school. We just don't get to spend time in camp, which is.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. To become a member, go to rmef.org.


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[Assistant] The podcast is also brought to you by Gerber, uh, go to gerbergear.com and learn about the knives, the vital, the big game vital, the gauge premium, all the things that we use when we're out in the woods and not just knives, but also some really cool multi tools that they have.


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[Assistant] Go to GoHunt.com and sign up for the Insider. The Insider is changing how hunts and hunting information are found. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Use promo code ALKTOCK and when you do, when you sign up for the insider, you're going to get $50 of store credit, mad money, in their gear shop.


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[Assistant] The clean living here in Bozeman, Montana, we avoided that foot of it. We got four inches just two days ago.


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[Assistant] And my wife is recovering from a broken foot. And so now all my neighbors don't, they, they think I'm some sort of abusive husband and they really think I'm a deadbeat because when I was here at the office, uh, filming stuff, she was out there with a broken foot running the snowblower. She probably looked like peg leg Pete out there. So, uh, but.


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[Assistant] No, David and Bryce will leave us if we're going to talk marital advice. I'm going to let you introduce our two great guests today that we've known for a long time.


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[Assistant] Glad to be here. Yeah. Bryce, the thing I remember when all of us are out in the field and we got the group text going on is getting a text from you about 70 mile an hour winds.


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[Assistant] I'm looking, look, I'm in the video, I can see all three of you guys, and you're, even though you're all in different locations, you're all looking at each other on the screen, like, should we tell Randy about that?


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[Assistant] I get let in on em, or is it, is it, you guys, we're gonna do another podcast without me, where I...


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[Assistant] Uh, Cory asked me if I wanted to come along and be a packer or something else and I've done two sick cut black tail hunts in that time of year up on an island about 50 miles from there.


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[Assistant] So, I'm listening to this now. I feel like I'm kind of easing in on a group conversation. I feel like I'm the guy with a droid and the three of you are having an iPhone text message loop and I'm not, I haven't been in it.


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[Assistant] Where's peaks going with all this stuff? So now I find out about tents. I knew you had trekking poles. I knew you had gators.


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[Assistant] Where are we going here guys, is this like the big reveal or something?


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[Assistant] I know. I know. But, uh, so I'm just out on your website here. So I'm, I'm seeing the Gators. I'm seeing your mission. I see sissy sticks and Gators and lifestyle.


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[Assistant] Where's the rest of it? I mean, you're talking about all this camp, you know, whatever you need at your camp to make a comfortable back country experience.


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[Assistant] So what you just said there about an ounce here or there and the comfort it adds, I'll use an example. Uh, going into our sheep hunt in Alaska is 13 miles in there and in terrible nasty country. I brought a little bit bigger tent.


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[Assistant] A little bit more comfortable sleeping bag and a little bit better, uh, mattress. That probably added, hmm, 10, 15 ounces to my load. And, uh, some guys were questioning my judgment.


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[Assistant] I get that some people, you know, really get into well, I'm going down to the 10th of an ounce when I measure this stuff.


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[Assistant] Well, when you drive a desk for a living like I do, you know, you're an out of weight accountant, out of shape accountant. You know, there's a lot of things you can do with your life to shave an ounce here or an ounce there. It's like eat better, exercise more. So I.


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[Assistant] I think when I go to the back country, comfort for me, and this is way more different now than it was 10 years ago, that comfort.


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[Assistant] That is so directly proportional to how hard I'm going to be able to hunt while I'm back there, which I think people, it'd be a struggle to argue that.


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[Assistant] The success is usually a function of how hard you, you haunt.


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[Assistant] So for me, there's absolutely a correlation to how comfortable I can be after a long day, four or five days or seven days or whatever, and uh, how much success I'm going to have. So these type of systems you're talking about are super important to me.


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[Assistant] Those were your personal items or if that was stuff you were working on. And when I was asking questions, you kind of had this look like, ooh, do we dare tell him? So I had a feeling maybe you're working on a more complicated or a more expanded sleep system.


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[Assistant] But, uh, you know, old guys who need a lot of sleep, they're the ones you should have as the prototype testers for your sleep system.


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[Assistant] No, I, you, you, I did not know about their lights until about 20 hours ago and that was because I happened to stop by the shop if I was driving by and they had all this stuff laid out on the floor they were taking pictures of.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I'm like, well, I know these guys, I'll just walk in. And I felt like I'd walked in at an inappropriate moment. They're like, looking at me as if, uh oh, Newberg, now he knows what we got here. So.


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[Assistant] I can understand that, but I'm like a headlamp snob.


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[Assistant] I've got a collection of headlamps that if ever there's a headlamp museum, they're going to come to me and say, let's get these boxes of headlamps that Newburgh has. Uh, so what struck me though, I don't know, is there ever been a hunting centric company that built a headlamp?


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[Assistant] All those kind of things. But no, I, I saw it. I'm like, wow, that's a design I would have never thought of. It's a design I've never seen. Uh, some of the features that I saw. Wait, you saw it in person?


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[Assistant] And Bryce and Ryan looked at each other like, you know, we heard he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He had to prove it today, but uh.


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[Assistant] I don't, I just, I always look for companies that are trying to design stuff for hunters, because like David said, or one of you said, we're usually going outside the hunting space to get high performance stuff, and I don't care if it, you know, back in the day when it was clothing, and then,


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[Assistant] And people looked at me like I'd lost my mind, uh, but.


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[Assistant] Where did I have to go to get trekking poles? Outside of the hunting space. Headlamps. Every headlamp I have.


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[Assistant] Is from outside the hunting space. So, uh, seeing it and looking at it and then knowing that Mr. Lampers, you know, if he's been using it, I mean, I might spend as many days in the field as him.


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[Assistant] So, uh, if it's got the Ryan Lampers, uh, stamp of approval, I, I know for sure it's gonna be far beyond anything I can put it through.


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[Assistant] Those who don't use trekking poles, but soon will, and those who do use trekking poles. There you go. I like that, Randy. I like that. Because if you don't use them, eventually you're not going to be elk hunting when you're my age.


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[Assistant] That's right, that's right. You show me a guy carrying 120 pound loads in elk country and off trail, and that person's on a first name basis with an orthopedic surgeon pretty soon, if not already.


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[Assistant] My only relationship with orthopedic surgeons so far in my life has been as their accountant. So, I hope to keep it that way.


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[Assistant] Not as a, I want a client-accounting relationship, not a patient-doctor relationship with a orthopedic surgeon, so that's why I'm a fan of trekking poles, so. It's a good plan. Well, Corey, you got us all excited about


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[Assistant] I would think a man with your clean living style and your serenading voice and music.


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[Assistant] You could just go down to the game and fish headquarters, bring your guitar and sing them a song. They'd probably put you to the front of the line.


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[Assistant] Well now that I know there's video of Corey Jacobson doing karaoke, I'm gonna put a $200 reward to whoever can get that in my hands. You've heard it folks, if you have possession of that video, I'll pay you 200 bucks.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] The Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, ensuring the future of elk, other wildlife, their habitat, and our hunting heritage. To become a member, go to rmef.org.


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[Assistant] The podcast is also brought to you by Gerber, uh, go to gerbergear.com and learn about the knives, the vital, the big game vital, the gauge premium, all the things that we use when we're out in the woods and not just knives, but also some really cool multi tools that they have.


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[Assistant] The Outtalk Podcast is also brought to you by GoHunt Maps. We've been using GoHunt Maps since they started, providing them with our feedback and our ideas to add to their maps and their tools.


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[Assistant] GoHunt.com, Explorer Maps, promo code Elktok.


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[Assistant] And with that, Cory, we are ready to get into


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[Assistant] I don't get hung up in airports in december january february seems like if i fly in november i'm getting hung up somewhere.


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[Assistant] So I got to spend an extra night in Minneapolis that I didn't count on. So. Did you spend it in the airport? Uh, actually I.


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[Assistant] It kind of begged and pleaded with Delta and I wasn't going to sleep in the airport and my camera guy is like, really? We got to sleep on these airport things. I'm like, well, we could try to get a hotel, but by the time we go get a hotel, check in, check out, go through security again, dot, dot, dot, dot.


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[Assistant] We'd probably get more sleep on the bench and he just looked at me like, you're crazy. You do this.


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[Assistant] So for fear that he might quit on me right there in Minneapolis, I said, well, I'll go see if I can get his hotel. So we did.


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[Assistant] No, so anyhow, there is some good part to that though. If you want to know the good part, it made me a day late for the deer hunt. I'm supposed to be doing with my crew. There's four of them out deer hunting in Montana right now.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, Hey guys, I'm, you know, I'm a day late now. I just lost today. I got all these things I got to do. I got to do a podcast with Corey, blah, blah, blah. I'll come up as quick as I'm done with all that. So I was supposed to leave at noon today. And then I looked at the weather forecast.


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[Assistant] Nighttime temperatures like negative five to negative 10, daytime highs of about 10 to 12 above zero, but winds 25 to 30.


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[Assistant] Man, that's perfect deer hunting weather, right? Yeah. You think I'm going to sleep in it.


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[Assistant] Tomorrow night in those conditions after, you know, I'm, I'm probably 70, 75 days already into the season and you know, I might be old, but I'm not stupid.


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[Assistant] Because otherwise I would have went out there. You know the forecast when I looked at it a couple days ago wasn't that bad. And then this morning they text me, they're like, hey boss, if you're coming up, just know that it's going to be screaming up here.


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[Assistant] I looked at the weather for us. I'm like, Hey, thanks for the heads up.


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[Assistant] But then they sent me a text about a half hour later, they're stuck in a huge snow drift and you know, Michael says, it isn't a hunting trip till we get stuck at least once. And it's the truck, uh, stacked up in this snow drift and good thing there's four of them. They can probably push it out. Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] So, and besides that, they'll have way more fun without me there and it'll be their story instead of me showing up and saying, oh, I gotta do this, gotta do that. Yeah. So, yeah.


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[Assistant] Holy cow. Yeah. I'm like, you boys better get the chainsaw out. Heading over to the nearest burn and get yourself some firewood. But anyhow, that has nothing to do with out cutting. How do we get off on that? That's like four or five minutes of just nothing.


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[Assistant] It started with you being stuck in Minneapolis and just.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you want, you want to hear something other good about getting stuck in Minneapolis? Did you watch the Vikings in the Bills football game? No, I didn't.


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[Assistant] Anyone listening who did the Buffalo Bills have set a new bar.


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[Assistant] As to how you can mess it up and lose a football game. Really? They invented a new way.


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[Assistant] All the folks in Minnesota were down and out because on fourth and two inches, Minnesota only moved the ball an inch. And so, you know, game's over 40 seconds. Buffalo's got the ball on the one inch line.


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[Assistant] Buffalo fumbled the snap into the end zone and the Vikings recovered.


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[Assistant] And went on overtime won the game. It's like, I, if you would have given me a thousand guesses about that, I had never seen a group of people go from.


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[Assistant] The point of near desperation maybe.


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[Assistant] Worried about their mental health to absolute ecstasy. Just, I can't imagine what the run on alcohol was in Minnesota Sunday night.


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[Assistant] Now, as long as, as long as there's charitable teams like Buffalo who hand it to them, you know, hey. Hey, you know, that's another sidebar of getting stuck in Minnesota.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about your Alcon and you were, you were renting llamas from Bo Beaty and you were about to go on an Alcon. Oh, we could talk about terrible football teams while hunger.


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[Assistant] Well, I looked at the snow conditions you guys were going to be dealing with. I'm like, hopefully you can get those llamas on a snowmobile because I don't know if they're tall enough to walk through that much snow.


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[Assistant] Hey Corey, sorry about that. We had some sort of technical hiccup here. You were just getting me all excited about, oh, the big storms coming. We're up at whatever elevation and we're going to get another foot of snow and.


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[Assistant] We're going to have to live here and it'll be like the Donner party all over again. I did think about that, yep.


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[Assistant] Well, you come from a ligand family, you got your chainsaw in the truck, right? No.


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[Assistant] I can put up with a lot. It takes a lot to get me uncomfortable, but once I get there, it's like, all right.


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[Assistant] If I'm at the point of discomfort and worry and concern,


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[Assistant] That happens when it's pretty bad. Yeah. And it doesn't, the, the distance from pretty bad conditions of roads of snow of whatever to where it's really bad.


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[Assistant] It's not very much. Yeah. And so yeah, I start getting, once I start getting that discomfort, it's like, all right.


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[Assistant] If it's any consolation in Montana, we have the best elk hunting weather that I can recall for the last five or 10 years.


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[Assistant] It started opening weekend, which was I think October 22nd or something.


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[Assistant] It was rain, then it eventually turned to snow, later that week it snowed.


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[Assistant] It's been snowing in Montana since season opened and there's enough snow that the elk have had to move. And now we've had some of these cold days, so.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, I got to head to Arizona to help my uncle Larry and, uh, I.


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[Assistant] I should go out today or tomorrow, but having been gone for most of the last three months, the employees want a paycheck, you know, like I do payroll, accounting, you know, things like that. They keep the doors open.


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[Assistant] But yea, it's hard to look out the window right now and see this weather, especially with cold weather. You know, now that we've got all this snow, some of it was a wet snow to begin with.


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[Assistant] And with this cold weather, that's turned to a thick coat of almost ice, and they just can't dig through it up there high.


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[Assistant] So the elk are moving down and this is one of those years and I'm going to kind of cast, uh, aspersions of my own self that if


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[Assistant] If you're going to fill your elk tag in Montana on a general public land hunt, this is a year when you do it. And I went elk hunting, let's see.


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[Assistant] But I went to an area, I was mostly looking for a whitetail, uh, cause this area is a limited entry draw and, uh, but I could have shot a cow or a spike.


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[Assistant] Sleep in the truck get up my pack so i got a topper on my truck and my pack up.


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[Assistant] In the front, you know, towards the front end of the bed. So I got to lift the topper.


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[Assistant] Reach up in there rather than drop the tailgate and climb in there. And I reach with my left hand and it's hung on something. So I give it a pretty good pull.


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[Assistant] Ehm, something happened to my back. You know how when you get a really sharp pain in your back, your legs kinda go weak for a second?


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[Assistant] I was standing on the bumper reaching over the tailgate when I did all this and I lost the strength in my legs and I fell off the bumper into about four inches of snow.


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[Assistant] I'm laying there in the dark. I don't have a camera guy with me. I'm filming myself and I start laughing. My back is hurting so bad. I wanted to cry, but I think my instinct was to laugh for two reasons. One, it kept me from crying and two,


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[Assistant] I'm thinking to myself, dang it, this would have been such a funny clip if a camera guy would have been here to record it. So, oh well, I spent that day.


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[Assistant] Out there, my back is spasming, so I lay in the snow, thinking, well.


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[Assistant] You know, they say if you get a back spasm, ice is a good thing. So I laid in all this snow and then I started shivering and getting borderline hypothermia because I'm not moving. I'm not doing anything.


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[Assistant] You know, we got some emails from some, uh,


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[Assistant] I can't really say for sure how much it takes because it's a function of if you're a drought year and there's no feed up high, it doesn't take much to get them moving.


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[Assistant] A really wet year like this year, when there's a ton of feet up high, it's gonna take more snow and probably cold to really get them moving, so.


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[Assistant] Yep. And that's where I tell people a lot of times by glassing, I can tell what the elk are doing. If you see elk tracks just lined out for a mile, they're going somewhere. They're gone. Those aren't elk you're going to find that day.


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[Assistant] They're heading to the lower country or to winter range. If they're meandering and doing the, you know, looks like they're feeding and grazing and moving, those are the elk I'm looking for because they're probably somewhere around there, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Did you read the one email we got when we got on the topic of about, uh, I think we were talking about hunting partners and how choosing hunting partners is so important. The one guy sent us to protect the innocent. We can't.


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[Assistant] Can't talk about it all and use any name, but I read that it was the funniest email I think I've ever received at the Elk Talk podcast comment link.


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[Assistant] Wow. As I'm reading it, it's like, okay, this has gotta be the end of the story. Nope. Nope. Nope. More and more. I don't know that I copied you on it, but I sent him an email. Oh, did you?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I said, this is the funniest story I think I've read in a long time. And then he sends me another email, uh, that I don't think you're copied on it. And he's like, oh, it gets even better. Let me tell you about the ride home. Oh man.


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[Assistant] But put some disclaimer in there or some, uh, some language that says you are allowed to read this online. We will not hold you liable if you read this online. This, this is one of the funniest elk hunting fiascos I've read in a long time. And I bet you everybody probably has one of those. Uh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there you go. That's a way to put it. But, uh, I got an email last night from Montana Fish Wildlife and Parks. Uh, and I should probably read it right here.


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[Assistant] Uh, it says court order changes wolf hunting season in Montana effective immediately. Hmm.


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[Assistant] So it rolls back all of our wolf hunting rules and regulations back to, I'd say probably 2019. So the court.


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[Assistant] Has determined that the plaintiff has...


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[Assistant] Presented facts and circumstance that restraining order is justified. So we have a restraining order.


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[Assistant] We allowed the use of snares for trapping. That's no longer allowed.


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[Assistant] And some of our quota stuff and things around Yellowstone and Glacier Park has changed. So.


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[Assistant] That restraining order runs until November 28th, which is the day after which our big game season closes and Montana closes November 27th. Uh, so the judge issued a restraining order where


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[Assistant] When you steal haunt wolves, when you steal trap wolves, but some of the...


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[Assistant] Or at least temporarily put on hold until FWP presents its case.


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[Assistant] Let's see, they say, uh, Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks will make legal arguments in this case at a hearing scheduled for November 28th.


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[Assistant] The court has set the temporary restraining order to expire on November 29th.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a big deal. I'm, I'm trying to think of how to have a podcast on that. Yeah. Uh, Washington Wildlife Commission. I'm going to call it that. I'm sure they got a different name, but.


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[Assistant] The term they like to call themselves is non-consumptive users.


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[Assistant] I, I, I just, it's like that's an oxymoron. If you are, you know, if you use any resources on this planet, you're a consumer. Okay. If you're consuming energy to heat your house, drive your car, make your petrochemical products, whatever.


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[Assistant] You are a consumer that impacts wildlife.


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[Assistant] If you are out hiking, biking, camping, picture taking and displacing elk.


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[Assistant] Or deer or whatever as a part of your activity, you are consuming their space. You are consuming their need for quiet habitat. So it's like, give me a break, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was kind of what they said. Yeah. Well.


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[Assistant] If I was a trustee of the Public Wildlife Trust in Washington, and I'm a trustee of lots of trusts as a CPA, I'd be like, well, you know,


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[Assistant] Sometimes being a trustee, you have to protect the beneficiaries from themselves. In other words, every beneficiary doesn't just get to say, well, this is what I want. So that's what you got to do.


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[Assistant] You know, you have to make decisions that are best for the wildlife. So if you lose your funding mechanism in Washington, how are you going to, how are you going to fund that agency? Okay. Well, let's just do this. What if hunting's not necessary, right? Okay. As much as you and I and all of our listeners would


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[Assistant] Disagree, that's not the case. How are you going to fund this agency? Well, you don't need an agency if hunting is not necessary.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no enforcement, no conservation, no habitat, no science, no, yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's like, give me a break. You know, we manipulate this landscape to the point where wildlife is already living on the fringes of what their historic habitats are. We have a responsibility, a duty to manage all wildlife.


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[Assistant] Either that or the other option is everybody pack up, get on a ship, restore the landscape to what it was in 1400. Everybody get on a ship and go back to where their ancestors came from.


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[Assistant] And yeah, there'd still be some indigenous folks who got to stay, but that's, that, that is the only.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that would be the only way that the human footprint, the human, you know, influence is ever going to


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[Assistant] Let nature quote unquote manage itself.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that speaks to the fact that when people will say, well, predation is never


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[Assistant] How did they get by with predation, you know, in the year 800 AD? Well, they had the full


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[Assistant] Uh, full landscape available to them. They hadn't been pushed to the margins and every scientist will tell you predation.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Yeaah. It's like, oh my goodness. You know, Tony Wasley is the, the director at Nevada Department of Wildlife.


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[Assistant] And he's got some really, he summarizes this better than anybody I know. Uh, Tony sits on the AFWA Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies. He's one of the leaders there.


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[Assistant] He said, here's how it is in our state. And I suspect this is the case in most states. If you inventory every species in our state, we only hunt 8% of them.


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[Assistant] We're in charge of managing 92% of the species that represent 92% of the other species that we don't hunt. And only 5% of our population hunts.


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[Assistant] So 95% of the people aren't contributing to this wildlife management. And the 5% who are, we quote unquote, if you want to use that term, consumers, only 8% of the species are being


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[Assistant] So the other 95% are getting a free ride.


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[Assistant] And the other 92% of wildlife?


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[Assistant] Licenses, excise taxes, you know, their contributions and donations to non-profit groups. When you look at it in those terms, that the 5% are shouldering the load for 100% of the species.


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[Assistant] And only 8% of those species actually get hunted.


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[Assistant] That's the best, that's the best painting of the reality that I can think of. So if the folks in Washington think.


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[Assistant] That somehow by getting rid of those 5%,


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[Assistant] Hard place for me to get my mind around, but I have to accept the reality that there are a lot of people with a lot of money who are trying to do that.


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[Assistant] I would ask some of them, come here to Montana or Idaho.


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[Assistant] And yeah, we aren't in a subsistence lifestyle per se, like it was in the 1500s, right?


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[Assistant] And they eat it. It's a significant portion of their protein. So they get super high quality protein from the landscape.


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[Assistant] Yeah, which they can't. So I'm like, you come here, come and talk to some of these families who aren't as blessed as I've been in my business life. Okay. None of this is going to impact me.


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[Assistant] In terms of am i gonna be able to afford quality food to put on my table.


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[Assistant] But there are a lot of people, it does. And I'm not trying to say that that's the sole justification for hunting. There's so many justifications for it, but this is a very, I don't know what you'd call it, egalitarian, you know,


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[Assistant] Just such a pompous, arrogant way of looking at it and disregarding


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[Assistant] People who this is their life, this is their culture, this is what they've grown up on.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I eat more wild game than I'm sure 99% of Americans and I'm better off because of it. Yup.


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[Assistant] And they say, well, you could go buy food. Yes, I buy plenty of food.


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[Assistant] I'm going to flip this even maybe 80 degrees and say, for those of you who think we don't need more voices.


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[Assistant] Go look at what they just passed in Oregon as far as a absolute ridiculous gun measure that is going to make it super hard for people to get into hunting.


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[Assistant] Because acquiring a firearm all of a sudden in Oregon becomes this ridiculously complicated measure that I hope gets overturned by the courts. But my point of that is as our issues,


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[Assistant] Get decided more and more at the ballot box or by elected people.


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[Assistant] If you think that we, that hunting collectively, and I don't care what state you live in, if you think hunting collectively is better off by everybody just shutting down, let's not have any groups to represent us. Let's just wither on the vine. That's fine. You can think that, but this is.


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[Assistant] So to say, and I don't plan on going down in my lifetime and it's stuff like this.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And if you think there's a lot of pressure from non-residents now.


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[Assistant] All those displaced folks from Washington, Oregon, California, where do you think they want to go hunting? They want to go to Montana, Wyoming.


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[Assistant] So it's, it would be nice if these problems were so simple as some want to make it, right? Oh, if we just got rid of this, everything would be fine. Yup. Uh, whatever, you know.


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[Assistant] But the more of that criticism I get, the more I put my shoulder to the wheel and say, you know what?


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[Assistant] This is what I'm doing. This is how I'm the fabric of what I'm made of. And I'm going to advocate for hunting and conservation and wild places and wild things and access.


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[Assistant] And this just drives it home even more to see what's going on in Washington, what's going on.


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[Assistant] Quite a few of these states, it's like, you know what, we, we gotta.


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[Assistant] I, I, I, I do as much as I can with my platform. Okay. In my home state of Montana, the legislature will convene in January. The number of trips I will make to Helena, Montana, the countless hours me and others I know will spend interacting with legislators. It'll be like a part-time job. And that's just, you know, that's what we do.


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[Assistant] I mean, we produce videos about that stuff and here's the, I guess the unfortunate part is we do a video about how legislation becomes a law, how this impacts you as a citizen. We put it on YouTube and it gets four or five thousand views in a year. Yup.


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[Assistant] If I put a video on YouTube about setting my tent up at elk camp, I get 50,000 views in one day.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, I learned long ago, Corey, that advocacy is a hard thing to sell. Now, uh, there's a reason that.


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[Assistant] Some things are called the oldest professional in the world. I guess that's easier. It's easier to sell, you know, certain things. Advocacy is a hard one to sell and I get that, but I'm blessed. You're blessed. We're in these positions and that's what we do. You know, we try to get people to, to participate, to engage, to,


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[Assistant] To donate their time, their money, their talent.


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[Assistant] Whatever, to these types of causes and, you know, I looked at how Washington had to deal with this whole spring bear thing last spring. Uh, the number of grassroots groups that popped up in Washington was.


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[Assistant] Incredible. They did an amazing job. And I hope they don't just give up because unfortunately, even though their department was saying we want our spring bear season, there's no harm in a spring bear season. In fact, there's actually conservation values in having a spring bear season.


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[Assistant] Their politically appointed commission overruled their department.


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[Assistant] And I understand that that's got to be so demoralizing if you're one of these grassroots groups. All I can say is keep at it.


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[Assistant] Keep at it because you guys are an example of how you make a difference and you may not have won that, that battle, but you're making a difference.


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[Assistant] And I hope people will support those folks and not criticize them. You know, they're the ones who've said, I'm going to take a day off work. I'm going to go to this hearing. I'm going to get involved. I'm going to reach out to policy makers, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] Those are the true heroes of, of whatever we end up with, whatever path we end up taking for conservation and for hunting and, and.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hope people, however they feel they can make a difference, I hope they do it. And everybody's got a different amount of time available, a different amount of money available. But I always say that advocating for wildlife has three constants. One is it's always difficult. If it was easy, they'd call it golf. Two, it's always uncomfortable, right? Someone's going to be mad at you.


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[Assistant] I'm a neighbor, a coworker. Someone's going to say, I disagree with that. You know what?


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[Assistant] Stand in line. There's a lot of people who might disagree with it. And third, it's always inconvenient. They don't put it on the calendar that, hey, on this day,


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[Assistant] Washington spring bear season is gonna be under attack or on this day, you know, some sort of hunting somewhere else is gonna have a threat or sometimes it's opportunities, right? There's opportunities that come our way that, oh man, we gotta, we gotta go take action now. This is, this is something we didn't see coming. So if you accept that.


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[Assistant] For me anyhow, that's the mindset I've, I've taken and it makes it a whole lot easier to just say, all right, this comes with the territory.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean as much as we want everyone to be a member of the Elk Foundation if they Elk can't.


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[Assistant] Whatever it is you do for, with your time and your money, do something positive, give back something. And yeah, the great part of having a large group is that they've opened up 1.2 million acres or improved 1.2 million acres of public access for everybody.


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[Assistant] Yeah i don't even own any land but they are also seven point whatever million acres of improved and conserved landscape habitat.


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[Assistant] That's, that's for all, that's building a bigger pie. So, you know, people can find reasons to disagree with something. And I always say if, if.


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[Assistant] Your choice of groups you support, and I don't care if it's the Elk Foundation or your local Rod and Gun club or the, you know, whatever, uh,


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[Assistant] If they, if you have some purity test where they gotta agree with you a hundred percent of the time, you're going to have a membership of one and it's going to be you.


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[Assistant] As, uh, you've also been involved in doing courses for this new platform that came out last year, last, small, this summer called Outdoor Class.


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[Assistant] Outdoor class. So if you sign up for outdoor class, you become a member or you get access to the University of Alcona. Yup.


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[Assistant] To sign up for outdoor class, which now gets you all those things Cory rattled off.


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[Assistant] Plus the University of Elk hunting all for one subscription. Go to outdoorclass.com and use promo code Elk Talk and they'll give you a 20% discount. Yeah. How's that? That's pretty good. That sounds like a heck of a deal.


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[Assistant] That's, that's going to be like Black Saturday, Black Sunday, Black, I mean, Cyber Fridays. I mean, they come up with all this stuff. You know, it's funny. Uh, I, I read out on my hunt and talk forum, people are like,


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[Assistant] The promo code outtalk should work just about everywhere.


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[Assistant] And if it doesn't call them and say, Hey, why aren't you giving me the discount for promo code outdoc? So, but Hey dude, this will drop in time for people to get in on this.


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[Assistant] You guys have your crazy Idaho system that goes non-residents gotta get on their computer about, well, Black Friday because six, seven days later, you guys are going to.


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[Assistant] Let us buy our over our general, whatever you call it, or region deer and elk tags December 1st.


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[Assistant] Could you put a plug into your agency to just make that a draw for non-residents so when I show up?


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[Assistant] Two days in advance and log into the queue. I'm not number 14,000 in line.


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[Assistant] So December 1st, folks, if you want to go elk hunting in Idaho as a non-resident.


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[Assistant] You know, one of the, not a controlled hunt, but one of the, what do you guys call them? Regions? Elk regions or something like that? Yeah, we've got zones. Zones. Yeah, zones. Uh, December 1st is your day.


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[Assistant] And if you want the details of more on that, you should go to GoHunt, sign up for their Insider.


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[Assistant] And when you sign up for Insider, you promo code outdoc also and they'll give you 50 bucks in their gear shop.


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[Assistant] And not that you're probably going to apply again, Corey, but Alaska is a deadline. 5 PM Alaska time on December 15th. Anyone crazy enough to apply for elk in Alaska? December 15th is your deadline.


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[Assistant] And we're not saying that to be dissing on Alaska game and fish. I mean, the fact that they can even grow out in that habitat is quite remarkable, but, uh, yeah, it's.


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[Assistant] You better have your suspenders on when you decide you're going to go after those on the cell.


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[Assistant] I am never going to be a disruption or competition for the draw odds of elk in Alaska. Yep.


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[Assistant] I just, I'm not, so count me out on that one, but I feel it's our duty to let folks know that December 15th is the deadline in case they want to go do what you did. Yep.


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[Assistant] Put our name in the hat on November 30th, shuffle the deck and say, you know, here you go. Rather than make me show up at 10 o'clock and find out there's 14,000 people ahead of me, just send me an email and say, here's your place in the line. I'll be like, thanks. Appreciate that. I'll even pay you 10 bucks so I don't have to stand in line to find that out.


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[Assistant] You know, as the West sees this huge population increase.


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[Assistant] You're, you're going to see this. You know, you guys, Idaho for most of the last decade, percentage wise, you guys have been the fastest growing Western state. And.


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[Assistant] You know, Montana, since I've moved here, the population has increased 50% or maybe more in the last 30 years. And that just, the resource can only withstand so much over the counter pressure. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Some of those changes have already happened in other states. You know, Colorado had in the late nineties, they put all their deer on a draw.


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[Assistant] Yup. Utah, look at the big changes they went through and so.


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[Assistant] I, I did the Portland and Puyallup, uh, sports shows last winter.


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[Assistant] I can't tell you how many people came up to me and said, Hey, soon to be your neighbor. I'm like, what, what do you mean? I'm getting out of here. And oh, really? Where are you going? Oh, I just bought some property up by Coeur d'Alene or I, you know, I bought some property over by Missoula or about like, so I think.


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[Assistant] Just people wanting to retire places or they look at what lifestyle they want. And Montana, Idaho, Wyoming.


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[Assistant] We're gonna get inundated even more than, than what we have been. And I, I think you're right.


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[Assistant] I don't know how to change that. Uh, I'd like to see better hunting in Oregon and Washington and California. So those folks didn't feel that they got to move somewhere just to continue a lifestyle.


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[Assistant] That is what it is. Yup. It won't be long. We'll be back in application season, Corey. Holy cow. It's crazy. Yeah. But you want to know what I'm getting ready to go do?


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[Assistant] They say I got one of these out tags coming. This is my last blankety blank outcome. We better make it a good one, but I'm so old and crippled up.


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[Assistant] I don't know that I can walk that far. Usually you try to kill me.


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[Assistant] And I'm not sleeping in one of those damn tents you bring. So I'm like, don't worry, Larry, I got all rent an Airbnb and we'll find one that he says he can't get anywhere for being 76 and 12 years of experimental chemo treatment that's given him neuropathy in his feet.


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[Assistant] He gets around pretty darn good. He's in really good shape for a guy like that, but.


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[Assistant] I'm thinking that we're not going to put a filter on him at all. It's just going to be, let it record the whole time he's there and we will come up with some of the best bloopers you've ever seen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I'm gonna miss Thanksgiving because of that and I promised my wife.


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[Assistant] You know, I'll be home, we can do Thanksgiving this weekend, so.


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[Assistant] Even though the elk hunting in Montana is the weather and the conditions are as good as it could ever be for the sake of my marriage.


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[Assistant] I already got an elk in Wyoming, right? And I got an antelope in Nevada. So it's not like I'm going to go hungry this winter. Uh, but I just have to point out.


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[Assistant] It would be great weather for deer hunting if we had many deer left. Because of the drought in the last few years, FWP put out a notice just before season A, you know, certain areas of Montana due to two years of terrible drought, deer numbers are down 35 to 40%. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I, actually the day I hurt, you know, I was telling you I hurt my back that, that day on my nail cutting.


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[Assistant] I saw a four by four mule deer that had, I don't know if deer can get measured at, what is it, the BMI, best body mass index?


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[Assistant] I mean, I've seen pictures of, of ones that look chubbier, but this guy had rolls around his neck and he waddled.


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[Assistant] And usually where I go, I see groups of mildew doughs there.


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[Assistant] I did not in, in all that snow walking in a couple miles, I cut.


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[Assistant] Four total deer tracks and that snow had been around for a week and I saw this guy and he's over there like 600 yards.


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[Assistant] And I just didn't have the heart to walk over there and shoot him.


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[Assistant] Because I think he might be the last of his kind. But also I was by myself and my back was hurting. So some would say that's why I didn't go shoot him. But no, this is probably going to be the fourth year in a row now that I voluntarily eat my Montana deer tag. I just, or I feel, and I noticed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I kind of feel sorry for him if I didn't get the pleasure and benefit of hunting all the places I do get to hunt.


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[Assistant] I would have a different view on it. I understand that because if I already got meat in my freezer, do I have to go shoot another, you know, three and a half year old male deer bark? No, I don't. So I let someone else do that. You know, I don't need to do it. So in this year,


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[Assistant] It looks like I'm going to eat my Montana elk tag because I want to be married when all of this is over. And my wife would never say, Hey, you gotta be home instead of go elk hunting. But I got an awful lot of stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the things I gotta get done before I leave in a few days to go to Arizona is a pretty big pile of stuff, so.


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[Assistant] I would be out, you and I wouldn't be doing a podcast today.


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[Assistant] I would be up in the mountain because I know some pockets where I'm pretty sure there are bull elk stuck in there right now. They just, when we get weather like this, there's a few pockets I know of where there'll be some bachelor groups go in there.


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[Assistant] And I so badly almost want to just hike in there to see if they are there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I'm not going to because, well, I'm going to leave him alone, but.


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[Assistant] I often have these concerns about saying it the way I do where I'm implying that everybody else should eat their Montana deer tag or their Montana out tag. I'm not saying that. I'm saying with what I already have in my freezer and my


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[Assistant] As fat as he is, I don't think he needs any food. He could get through till April. Just living off the reserves.


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[Assistant] I don't know what he was eating, man. Have you got into the bovine growth hormones down at the ranch down below or what the deal was? But he, he would just like, you know, you see if he was on a football team, he'd definitely be the nose tackle.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And this one, I, his antlers were nothing remarkable. So I wondered, is it just bad genetics? It's not bad feed. I can tell you that.


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[Assistant] Or is he just old and he's on the way down? I didn't really know, but it was fun to watch him. I filmed him and uh,


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[Assistant] Late rifle in Arizona, I will have a story to tell you. I can't wait to hear the recap. Promise you.


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[Assistant] Hopefully we can find him on, and uh, he's...


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[Assistant] Let's see, yeaah, he just turned 76, so it'll be fun. I enjoy, I'm blessed to have a lot of people who are close to me who we've built our relationship on hunting and Uncle Larry is definitely one of them.


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[Assistant] Well, you have good luck too. Are you pretty much done with the out-running now or switching over?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Thanks for being here until the next time we'll, uh, send us some more of those funny emails. Uh, that one was this, that was a, that was as good as it gets. So if anyone's got any fun hunting stories that we can tell online, uh, give us permission to do so. And where is that elktalkpodcast.com?


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations, so we usually go down some rabbit holes, but if


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] You know, I am good. Got through the snowstorms yesterday and, uh, sunny today, so life's good.


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[Assistant] That's very cool. Have you ever replied? I have actually, yeaah. Oh, okay. Did you verify, you know, and make sure you put the right hunt number and everything down so you didn't draw like an antler?


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[Assistant] His episode and his experience there he probably raised enough of a stink that they changed the rules.


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[Assistant] Okay, inversely smart. That describes me. Stupidity is approaching infinity.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we can talk about elk, but I know you're going to be distracted, so.


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[Assistant] Right up until the time she makes the decision and goes opposite of what you said.


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[Assistant] I'm not on any list in Utah. I don't think. Did you apply? No.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. I drew a tag there like a while back and just decided that once in a lifetime there was good.


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[Assistant] I mean there's hunting in Oregon, there's hunting in Washington for sure and if you know right where you're going and you have somebody that lives there that can


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[Assistant] Can take you, that's great, but to get into limited draws in Oregon and Washington, I think it's a complete waste of time for most people right now.


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[Assistant] Washington, they require you to buy a license and an elk tag before you can even apply for their horrible draw odd draws. And then when you don't draw, you're left with an elk tag that you can only hunt spikes with. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And it just, it's not worth it. Oregon does preference points and the top five hunts there. Point creep is so bad that if you weren't in 15 years ago, you really don't have a chance of drawing those tags in a lifetime. So.


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[Assistant] Yup, and both states have over the counter tags, and you know, you can go and hunt there over the counter, but again, you need to know.


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[Assistant] Somebody need to be prepared for a lot of hunting pressure you need to be prepared for a lot of things that i just think there are five or six options that are way better and i'd rather give people better options.


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[Assistant] Two in Montana, I mean you can draw moose and goat in Montana on the same year.


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[Assistant] What a state. And here we are talking about Oregon and Washington and then you go across the border and you can draw all three of the once in a lifetime hunts in the same year. Wow. I don't know, would you trade?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I would imagine that if you actually talk to most of the residents in those states, they would probably disagree and say that they don't get treated very well.


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[Assistant] It's, it's out of reach. I mean, it really is. Those top five elk hunts, if you have not put in for them already, if you just do the basic math, we're talking


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[Assistant] Hundreds of years to get through the current applicants.


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[Assistant] And where it's preference points based, you know, it goes off of who has the most points. And I think, I forget the percentage, there are a very limited number of tags that are available in a bonus.


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[Assistant] For the controlled hunts. Yep, and that's the, uh, I think it's the last western state to, uh, for the application deadline.


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[Assistant] Tags that are available in the state of idaho not counting i believe that's not counting the controlled hunts okay and of that and maybe that is including the controlled hunts because there's only one zone left of the.


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[Assistant] Outside of that, there are no over the counter tags left in Idaho, so. But like you said, you can still apply for a controlled tag, and there are a lot of controlled hunts, uh, in different places, some that are fairly easy to draw, so.


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[Assistant] So let me, uh, I've got some information here. Return tags are available between April and October.


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[Assistant] Occasionally hunters return tags that can be redistributed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how people react to the change in the season dates there and see if more people jump into third season or if.


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[Assistant] That when you get on the hunt, it, you know, it almost is like, man, that was a waste of my time to do all of that because I spent so much time and now we're here and one little variable comes up, but, uh, there's nothing to, there's nothing that can take the place of


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[Assistant] The resources we now have available for e-scouting to make you the most prepared you can be when you go on a hunt. And, you know, I've always said,


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[Assistant] Resolution's incredible. I can drop waypoints. I can do everything that I need to do in, in 3D. So that's really where I start. Once I know where I'm going before that, you know, you and I have talked a bunch, but if I want to find a place to go, I'm definitely on go hunt going through the filtering 2.0 and.


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[Assistant] I mean, realistically, anytime that I realize, okay, I want to apply for a tag this year in Arizona, say I jump in there and I say, I want a place that's got 350 inch bowls. That's 80% public land that I have a hundred percent draw odds with this many points.


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[Assistant] Mapping and start doing my, my e scouting and figuring out the unit and.


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[Assistant] On Gohunt's maps, they just jump in and you can see, you know, you can see the green, you can see the springs, you can see the creeks and all of that. So I can get a pretty good idea of where the water sources are.


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[Assistant] And then when it comes to bedding in September, most of the elk are going to be bedding on north faces. So I just spin the map. So I'm looking into the, the north facing and I look for a bench. I look for an open ridge, a meadow and a water source. And if I can find those three things close together, I drop them in and put a way point there.


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[Assistant] Then, uh, realistically, if I'm looking over a drainage, there's only going to be three or four areas at most that really jump out to me as having all of those features and it helps narrow it down real easy. So it's not as overwhelming looking at, Oh my goodness, I have this whole unit. Where do I even start?


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[Assistant] I just spin it, look into the north faces and find a bench and then start looking for feed and water and if it's there, I...


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[Assistant] You know, it really, there's not a lot of places that once you do that, that simple task, it really narrows it down to usually just four or five places that you really want to check out. And realistically, I think that if you go to all of those four or five places, probably half of them are going to have elk in them, so.


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[Assistant] That's really my overview of planning and e-scouting.


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[Assistant] You know, your heart sinks and it happens to all of us, especially like you said, when we're on over the counter general type hunts, we have to anticipate that we're going to be going to plan B and plan C multiple times.


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[Assistant] Uh, or a less desirable place, I guess, uh, from there. But I think, yeaah, pressure is big. I used to say I find food, water, and bedding, and the fourth factor was it has to be at least a mile from a road.


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[Assistant] There is a lot of pressure more than a mile from a road now and sometimes the elk, you know, people are walking by elk or sometimes little pockets that are close to a road can hold elk because people drive by going to a trailhead that's going to take them five miles back into the wilderness, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's, you know, I don't overlook areas close to a road, but it's gotta be something that I know people aren't going to, you know, there's not a campsite right there where somebody's gonna be camping and hearing elk bugling at night or things like that. So it's, yeaah, I mean pressure's a big part of it, but the way we overcome that is, uh, just having multiple backup options.


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[Assistant] I don't like to sit and wait and hope that something is there for the evening hunt. Uh, I'm continually going and trying to find something right then. Yeah.


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[Assistant] What it looks like and it always, you know, there's always surprises and things that's like, man, I misjudged that or I didn't think about that. But just to get a feel for, you know, how the land lays and which direction things flow and.


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[Assistant] It just, it's, it's tough to, well you can't have confidence. If you're indecisive, you're not confident. If you aren't confident, it's hard to just get out and hunt, so.


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[Assistant] Think if anything e-scouting and the way we do it just contributes to the confidence we have, you know, and it's, it's certainly, I think, uh,


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[Assistant] There are more times that we're humbled out there than not, but it at least gives us a boost and a starting gate to be able to get out of and take off running and


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[Assistant] The, the odds of elk migrating in September are close to zero.


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[Assistant] You know, we'll get a big snowstorm where it'll drop to two and a half feet. The elk know it's temporary. They know winter hasn't started and they're not going to migrate. You know, I think Colorado, maybe there might, and I don't know, I'm not speaking from experience, but I could see.


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[Assistant] A big storm hitting the high country in Colorado and Elk thinking, alright, we gotta get out of here. You know, starting to move down at least.


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[Assistant] A November thing before I really start thinking about migration. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yep, I was actually in, uh, Nevada. We talked about that a little bit, shed hunting last week and it was all that pinyon juniper stuff and man, you get inside that and you can't see.


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[Assistant] Talk about elk hunting on the elk talk podcast. Just go to elktalkpodcast.com, click the contact link and once you click that, it's going to allow you to fill out a little form with your name, your email address and your comments. So leave a question, a comment, or suggest a guest there.


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[Assistant] We've done that before. We've live streamed it through, you know, like our Instagram or our Facebook and, uh,


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[Assistant] I think it'd be, it's not hard to do, the hard part would be you making comments.


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[Assistant] Out loud, well, the contest is going on. I mean, you'd have to be in a different room watching it live and commenting. So yeah, there would be some technological issues for sure.


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[Assistant] That's what they should do, is just have a streaming there and then a shadow of you, you know, pointing at people and poking fun at them.


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[Assistant] I think you need to at least bring your bow because we're gonna try to get everyone who's involved with Destination Elk this year together at that big sky shoot and get everybody out on the course and


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[Assistant] Uh, get to know everybody and then we're going to sit around and have a little pre-season campfire session.


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[Assistant] I didn't send one to Michael, I didn't have his contact, but Marcus and Bo have one.


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[Assistant] And I always tell my wife it's, you know, if you, if you do multiple things at once, you're only giving a limited percentage of effort and focus to that thing. And I like to give 100% in everything I do.


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[Assistant] You know, and, and she of course argues with me, but I was listening to an audio book and, uh, he said the same thing. It's multitasking is a way of dealing with distraction that doesn't allow you to focus a hundred percent on what you really need to be focused on. So, yeah.


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[Assistant] Man, that brings up a good point. We actually had a neighbor one time that they let their yard go. I mean they just didn't care. And everybody else around there, you know.