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[Assistant] Well uhm, some friends of mine way back built me a trailer smoker and I had no idea what to do with it. They just gifted it to me. So my brother-in-law at the time was working for us and he said, can I borrow it? I said sure. So at five in the morning I hear somebody in my kitchen on a Saturday and I sneak down around the corner with my


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[Assistant] What are you doing? He goes, we're cooking barbecue today. So he cooked this unbelievable barbecue and I went, hook the trailer to your truck.


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[Assistant] And it's yours, I'm just gonna help. So I started helping him. And it grew into a barbecue team, DL3 barbecue team. They ended up with a big lang. And when he passed away, unfortunately, I inherited all the gear. And so I had to take over.


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[Assistant] Then Southern Soul came around, I owned the building behind, and then they come around, start cooking barbecue, so it became a nice friendship and partnership with guys that I knew with a new restaurant, and now I'm a minority investor, uhm, which means that I get to hang out back here and help out.


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[Assistant] And then, uhm, the big huge bones. And then Stuart Sink showed me, taught me how to do these chicken thigh sandwiches. And he makes homemade, uhm, pickles, pickled onions, and Alabama white sauce. So.


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[Assistant] Everybody has their specialty. My pork ribs come out pretty good. But the difference is...


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[Assistant] If I'm gonna cook, for you guys, I'm gonna cook three slabs of pork ribs, and two slabs of beef ribs, and I'm gonna focus on that. When they do 220 slabs, it's more, they turn out great, but it's not competition ribs. So I'm basically cooking competition style barbecue.


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[Assistant] Personally and friendship rewarding, but I can always say.


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[Assistant] I had a thousand gallon smoker for a while, which is, you know, three times as long. Just like in the driveway. In the driveway. And I'm sure Robin loved that.


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[Assistant] But the family, like I said, I took over for Uncle Jeff. He had created a culture in our family of barbecue and camaraderie and friendship and hanging out. So I keep that going. So they don't mind it, but uhm,


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[Assistant] For the RSM classic, my wife does all the flowers for the Pro-Am draw party, and I had to get smokers out.


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[Assistant] So she can do her flowers. So she gets it. I have uhm, the next version down of this, two of them that roll on wheels like a cart. One at my farm and one at my house.


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[Assistant] Mine's a lot cleaner than this because it doesn't get used every day, but basically the same setup at my house. How about your grills? What kind of grills do you have? My wife uses


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, she has a gas grill. And she's good. She's really, really good on her gas grill. So all the steaks and stuff that she eats, she handles that. But uhm, green eggs, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, flat tops, we've got it all. The Sea Island Forge guy that does the gif for the caddies that wins the tournament, I have all the live fire attachments that go on top of a fire pit.


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[Assistant] I always say, and Cantlay's giving me a hard time right now about how many hobbies I have. I have a lot of hobbies and I'm not good at any of them.


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[Assistant] I'm just, I have all the stuff to cook. I might not be that great at it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, uhm, this is a big, uh, rotisserie smoker, but it's, it does not have gas. It does not have electric heat, but it runs on electricity to manage the air. So there's dampers in the back that'll open and close based on the temperature. So you load it up with wood.


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[Assistant] Simply and the fan blows the air to keep the fire going. So they can load this thing up at night, set it,


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[Assistant] Not totally forget it, but it'll run itself for 6, 8, maybe even 10 hours sometimes. And then when they do the work, you know, wrapping butts or whatever they're doing, they can open it back up. So I'll open it up.


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[Assistant] So the rotisserie continually goes around and gets the smoke going. There's water in the bottom and a bunch of grease. See a bunch of pork butts. Yeah, pork butts in this one.


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[Assistant] And so we're talking about me building a new cooking house at my house. I'll have.


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[Assistant] Six inches smaller. But all you'll see inside the house is this. There'll be these big doors. All the working stuff will be out back.


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[Assistant] Somebody at least knows what's going on. We had an emergency 4th of July a few years ago and I came up and I actually prepped and put 220 slabs of ribs in the smokers. Uhm, that's my biggest, uh, biggest help out. But, you know,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I've done little things to big things, but uhm, I'd rather be in here, at least know my way around, where if one of the guys goes, hey, we need to wrap the butts, and then we need to put them back in for two more hours, I at least know, I'm gonna slow the process down, but I at least know how to do it.


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[Assistant] It's special to me because so many things have happened in my life and in their lives. They had a big fire here. We helped them out before we were investors or partners. They see what we do in golf.


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[Assistant] And they're friends with Zach Johnson and Brian Harmon and Harris English and all those guys too. They see what we do in golf. They started a charity called Firebox and have an event, a barbecue contest that I've won several times. Humble brag. And um, local favorite. But they give a lot of money to charity.


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[Assistant] It's a great investment and it's a lot of fun, but they're giving back to the community as well and that's, I'm really proud of them for jumping in.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think it's just like golf, it's just a simple process. It's easy to get a good result, but you have to do the, you have to start with good meat, good product.


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[Assistant] Then you have to go through the process and it's doing the same things over and over and then my wife gets on me out experimenting. If you just do it the way you learn to do it, it turns out great. So it's a process, it's a recipe and if you follow the recipe, but


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[Assistant] You have to focus on it, just like golf. Stick with the game plan, and uhm, and you'll get a good ending.


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[Assistant] Well, uh, I'm looking forward to Thursday night. Like, I'm already thinking that's my night off. I get to actually sit down and eat, hang out with my friends. My son has our house full of former Alabama players and friends, so it's gonna be a fun weekend. And obviously, I gotta get, uh, get the scorecard turned in on Thursday and Friday and make it a weekend.


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[Assistant] During Memphis, after that, he's really, really good at winning press conferences. That's the one thing I will say about Jay Monahan. This is, this is...


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[Assistant] It's kind of a backhanded compliment. I don't particularly mean it backhanded. I mean, I think he's very charismatic. I think when he answers questions, he tries. He tries, even when he's in an awkward position where he can't give away a lot of details.


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[Assistant] He, he does a better job than his predecessor Tim Fincham does. I did not feel like in Memphis he was comfortable at all. He seemed defensive, he seemed out of swords, he seemed a little...


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[Assistant] He was uncomfortable around the media, which I think he was. I think he was uncomfortable really just being in Memphis. I watched him on the range.


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[Assistant] On Wednesday, you know, as players were sort of practicing, he really wasn't engaging with any players the way he normally does. And I think this all goes to the idea that look, he has a lot of work to do to rebuild that trust that we've talked about that he lost on June 6th. And I think it's a very uncomfortable position for him. All that being said, I felt like today,


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[Assistant] Uh, no prompter. I don't even think he took a breath. I kind of had to giggle at our colleague, uh, Eamon Lynch. He was sitting next to me during the press conference. I was like, man, this is not going to stop anytime soon. He's just going to keep going. And this goes to...


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[Assistant] I, I envision a world where a positive outcome means that there isn't a definitive agreement with the PIF, which opens up all kinds of new conversations that we can have either today or down the line. But even though he has to do this in good faith, the negotiations with the PIF


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[Assistant] This is all part of the framework agreement. They have to sit down and try as best they can to come up with some sort of definitive agreement that gets us to NuCo. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen. There is a deadline. December 31st at the end of this year.


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[Assistant] And I think today was the first time in, in code, positive outcome, that he sort of opened the door to, that doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to be in business with the Saudi Arabians. It doesn't mean we're necessarily going to be in business with the Public Investment Fund, and that to me was fascinating.


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[Assistant] I will say that you don't have to dig too deep to see where this could possibly go. There's an investment firm who's involved with these negotiations on the PGA TOUR side. There is an investment expert when it comes to sports leagues, Colin Neville, who's from the Rhine Group, who is now sort of a special counsel to the players on this.


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[Assistant] Yes, so I think they could go a lot of different ways. There is one caveat to be made. And yes, they could go to any investment fund they wanted to if this doesn't pan out. If they get to December 31st and decide that nope,


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[Assistant] This isn't gonna work, let's go our separate ways, live golf, PIF, you keep doing what you're doing, we're gonna do what we're doing. The problem with bringing in a private investor is unlike the PIF,


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[Assistant] They would want results. They would want results much, much sooner than the PIF would ever want results. I mean, clearly the public investment fund wants to make money eventually, but that's not their primary goal here. We've talked about their primary goal being


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[Assistant] That's right. They needed to get a seat at the table and that's what they did. Other public investment, I mean other investment funds, they're gonna want an investment. They just don't want a seat at the table. They want something back for what they're putting in there. And that puts the tour in a very unique and different position.


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[Assistant] Said you asked, what was, what was your question?


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[Assistant] Uh, okay, well, I didn't, I didn't want to go entirely with you. He addressed this, but well, he did not. The commissioner did not address this. Tyler Dennis, who is involved in these talks with the USGA and the RNA, he addressed this two weeks ago in Memphis. That's why I was reluctant. It didn't, it wasn't on top of my mind that it needed to get asked. Oh, screaming, screaming at the TV.


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[Assistant] So, I did ask, and the way I phrased the question was, is there any update since the comment period has ended on the MLR?


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[Assistant] And do you envision a scenario where the tour could have one rule?


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[Assistant] And the major championships, at least two of the major championships, would have a different role when it came to golf balls for elite players. Didn't get an answer.


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[Assistant] At the PGA Tour, he's in charge of communications for the PGA Tour cause she cannot, she couldn't tell me how happy she was that the press conference ended on a golf ball question considering everything else that's going on in the world of golf. And I had to agree with her, yes, it seems silly when she told me this was...


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[Assistant] Going to be the last one. I think they're having to tiptoe around this one like everything else in that press conference because even though the comment period has ended these negotiations and whatever it is they're going to come to,


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[Assistant] It works out and the USGA and the RNA push forward with this model like local rule.


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[Assistant] There's no reason the PGA Tour has to follow this. They can decide that, okay, that it's not for us and you could end up playing PGA Tour events with one ball and the major championships, at least two of the four major championships with another ball. I don't see that happening. I think they come to some sort of conclusion, but again, this kind of depends on is the USJ and the RNA willing to negotiate at this point? Yeah, I mean, it's very,


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[Assistant] And I think most people, at least on the PGA Tour side of the equation, the PGA of America side of the equation, who are against the MLR as it stands right now, would argue the same thing. I will tell you, and I asked Mike Wan this when we played with him on Media Day.


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[Assistant] Specifically his point was, we've given this almost a decade of conversation now. We've talked about this by the time it comes to implementation for almost 10 years. Like how much more time.


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[Assistant] So we need, to your point, it's a really, really bad time in golf right now to throw something else into the mix that needs to get dealt with and needs to get negotiated. And you're right. I think most people involved outside of the USG and the RNA would agree. Let's kick the can and see what we are two years from now.


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[Assistant] Let's put this in context that you, you'll understand because we, we talk about this a lot. Longtime listeners and Nancy, by the way, thank you so much for coming.


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[Assistant] Uh, I will say, I put it in context, as long time listeners will understand your frustration, my frustration, that we don't have a sponsor of said podcast. And in this particular case, let's say we did have a sponsor of said podcast, we would go out of our way.


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[Assistant] Exactly. To make sure that sponsor was happy. I would like for it to be a grill sponsor of some sort. Alcohol. Anybody. Alcohol. I would like for them to send us a grill. Said grill. Or alcohol. Said alcohol. Uh, we would, again, go out of our way to make sure that the sponsor was happy. That all being said, why do you think we're in Memphis?


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[Assistant] That is not a word. You are gonna get beat up on that one. I did it once a long time ago on live TV, and my wife still hasn't let me live it down. Bunkmate will still hit me, slap me across the face with a very cold and wet, irregardless, honey? Irregardless. Uh, irregardless. An adverb.


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[Assistant] I get what you're saying. I'd much rather be in the Northeast right now. I'd much rather be in the Pacific Northwest right now. There are plenty of other places I'd rather be playing golf and covering golf than in Atlanta and in Memphis. And nothing against Atlanta or Memphis. This just isn't the time of year you want to be here.


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[Assistant] Coca-Cola is here, and they're a proud sponsor. FedEx is clearly a proud sponsor, and that's why we're in Memphis. That's the end of the story. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but it's not gonna change.


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[Assistant] I think Scheffler, it will be interesting, and I would encourage you, since you're doing the blogs today, to go read what John Rahm said about Strokes Game. And I hadn't thought about this. He was sort of asked if he liked it or not. And John being, like, I have found him to be one of the


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[Assistant] Because I feel like if you ask him the wrong question, it's not going to go well. Yeah. If you ask him about his putting, it's not going to go well. But his response was, he goes, I don't understand why if I'm starting this week fifth.


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[Assistant] I'm essentially five strokes off the lead. I'm also five strokes away from last place. He goes, that doesn't make sense to me. And when you put it in that context, I guess I get it. Like if you start this week fifth, you have had a really good regular season and a really good post season. I mean, you've had to put both of those things together.


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[Assistant] Probably deserve something a little bit better than being just five shots back. I'm not quite sure how you do it other than just


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[Assistant] I mean, I guess that's another way to do it. And look, I think Rory proved last year that no lead is insurmountable over four days, especially on a golf course, as you pointed out, that clearly suits his style of game. You can go low. It's going to be another one of those weeks where it's soft and the players are going to take advantage of it. I keep going back to the idea that no, it's not perfect and I don't feel like they've ever


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[Assistant] Gotten the quote unquote playoffs perfect. However, I continue to go back to the idea that we are still, and I'm talking about the PGA Tour,


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[Assistant] I have not. It's been a very, very busy week in the Hogwarts household since I got home from Memphis. We're redoing our pool. We're redoing our pool deck. Everything had to come off the pool deck. It's just amazing you haven't had 30 seconds this entire time. Amazing.


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[Assistant] That it's not where he wants it to be. He would much rather see it being a bigger spread. But in the context of we're playing golf for a lot of money at in big markets, that's that means something.


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[Assistant] No, it's 100% not perfect and we can sit here and pick it apart and I'm always very, very careful in these situations because if I don't have a better idea, I'm reluctant to be overly critical of something and I don't have a better idea.


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[Assistant] Right now, I will tell you that as difficult as this is to sort of wrap your mind around, and again, this was another one of John Rums things he pointed out, that you can play for $18 million this week, or you can play for FedEx, or World Ranking Points, because those are two separate things. You can play to actually win the FedEx Cup, to win this tournament, or you can play to win, to come in


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[Assistant] First in what will be the adjusted leaderboard when it all gets taken care of.


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[Assistant] Sunday night. That creates all of these different scenarios. It's some, it's things we're going, it's distractions that you and I are gonna tweet about.


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[Assistant] On Sunday night, however, this is the best case scenario for the tour because essentially you've gotten rid of the idea. And I believe it was JT who a few years ago, he did not win the tour championship, but he won the FedEx cup. And the first thing he said was he was angry that he didn't win it easily.


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[Assistant] And the tour does not want that. They don't want the guy who finished second at the East Lake taking their big check and being disgruntled about it. So they've gotten rid of that scenario. So no, it's not perfect, but it is the best possible scenario that they've come up with to date.


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[Assistant] I would say Scotty is still the obvious choice because again, if he just putts average and doesn't have one of those abysmal putting rounds like he had in Memphis where he gave away four and a half strokes to the seal.


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[Assistant] And if you can just avoid those, I mean, again, this is splitting, this has gotten to the point where it's diminishing returns.


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[Assistant] If you just give away a half a stroke around on the greens. Look, it's not a best case scenario, but imagine what he does last week if he just does that. He wins by four, right? If I'm doing the math correctly, something along those lines.


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[Assistant] You still have to lean in to Scotty. I would say Rory is certainly, he continues to put himself in that situation. I thought the putter on Sunday was absolutely awful. I would expect him to go back to the spider putter this week because he's looking for answers in places I don't think he's going to find it and he's going to continue to do that.


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[Assistant] Probably the others that you pointed out, Xander Shafle. He had a good week last week. I think he's going to be uniquely motivated.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm gonna go ahead and leave that on the burner, because that sounds to me like something we can get to next week, uh, or two weeks from now, whenever we're done talking about... Didn't you literally ask me? Wasn't that literally your question? No, I did, I didn't realize you were gonna go that deep, and you make a good argument, but I still...


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[Assistant] You can't compare four wins in a major to two wins in a player's. And I know you threw the fifth major in there.


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[Assistant] Sort of half-heartedly and just kind of look back to what happened in 2019, right? Sort of spill it into my lap. And I don't, uh, no, I don't disagree with that. I think players are going to make that distinction though. If it, I guess the comparison would be if both of them had four wins and one had the players and the other had the masters, then it's a conversation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, now that's entirely different. You have to take what's going to happen this week sort of out of the conversation as of right now. That's why I asked you as of right now. But that one's tough. And again, you made a compelling argument and it kind of surprised me because I didn't think anybody could.


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[Assistant] I mean, if, if we're doing those silly projections things, where if the tournament stopped right now, and they don't stop before they start, but if the tournament stopped right now, he's projected 30th on the points list. So if everything stopped right now, who would be your player of the year? And you're arguing,


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[Assistant] For Scotty, I found that interesting based on just straight facts. Yea, and I'm probably projecting ahead, like I think he's gonna


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[Assistant] That we're talking about. This isn't the most consistent player of the year. Not MCP. Who played the best? The question is, who played the best this season? To me, that's Gary Sheffler. Uh, I go back to the year that Tiger, and again, we're turning this into a longer conversation than I intended it to be. I'll go back to the year that Tiger lost to Padraig Harrington. And when


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[Assistant] When we, I remember asking Tiger specifically about who should be player of the year. And then we were at Eastlake when we were having this conversation. And he said Podrick. And I said because of the majors. And he said straight up. And Podrick had won two majors. FaceTime call.


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[Assistant] From my son. I guarantee this is about, uh, about one of our fantasy picks. Uhm, so I just keep getting caught up with the idea that


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[Assistant] You can't compare the Masters to the Players Championship. It is the fifth major, I agree with you on that front, but as it stands right now, I have a hard time picking him. It's a harder, it's a harder trip, the players is harder to win than the Masters.


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[Assistant] Oh sure, yeaah, I think if Lucas Glover comes and does something that's gonna factor into the conversation, and I think you're right about Brooks Koepka, I will say it is interesting how the narrative has changed from where it was really just even a month ago.


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[Assistant] Where it seemed like he was locked to finish inside the top six and even if he doesn't, he's going to be a pick simply because of what he did at the PGA and the Masters and it's hard. We're having a hard time wrapping our minds around is he playing well or is he not playing well just because of the way Liv Goff sort of plays.


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[Assistant] Sort of pans out. We don't have the normal stats that we depend on. We don't have shot length. We can't sit here and say what a strokes game on the green is. We can't say what a strokes game.


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[Assistant] So we have a hard time sort of wrapping our mind around that. I still say that even at seven


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[Assistant] He's going to be a pick. I know it's going to be a lot of fun on social media to see over the next couple of days about people sort of speculating. I don't know how Zach doesn't make him a pick. And look, this isn't really about live golf and the PGA tour anymore. This is about someone. Do you want to win? Do you want to win?


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[Assistant] He can fit into the U.S. team room. I think he's proven at Cups Pass that he can compete at that level. Like this isn't Phil Mickelson. This isn't going to be he's going to walk in the team room and everyone's going to stop talking and stare. Like that's not going to happen.


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[Assistant] Like he, he, he's fine. He didn't join the lawsuit. He didn't speak publicly against the PGA tour. He didn't speak publicly against Jay Monahan. So I think you need to consider all of those things. And as you go down the list, in my mind, Jordan Spieth is going to be on that team. It's just because I feel like that.


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[Assistant] It's the way it's going to play out. I would even go as far as saying that Cam Young at nine is going to be on that team. I can't make any more predictions from


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know that Cam Young is playing his best golf right now, and this is a bad time to struggle when it comes to the Ryder Cup. However, Zach Johnson is cut from a mold. I talked to Davis Love this week, who's one of his vice captains, just sort of about where they are in the process.


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[Assistant] Right now. And look, most of the recent captains, I think Jim Furek being the primary one, they don't like the color outside the lines.


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[Assistant] I'll make this point really, really quickly. Uh, they kind of play by the rules. And I don't see Zach Johnson being that much different from Jim Fuhrer before him or David Slob before him. And when you get to nine on the list, a captain has a really hard time.


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[Assistant] At least trying to explain to themselves how this person didn't play well enough. Now when you get to 11 and 12, maybe even 10, 11 and 12, then we can start having conversations. But I think Cam Young is safe where he is. And look, he could


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[Assistant] The conversation could change over the next couple of weeks. My bigger deal, and I asked Davis this point blank, is it down to JT and Lucas Glover at this point?


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[Assistant] And it's a larger conversation that we can probably have about who we think the pics are going to be. But he said that's an oversimplification.


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[Assistant] When the time comes and it'll come Sunday night when the vice captains and the six players who qualified and Zach Johnson will all sit down and they'll all decide who the best six picks are going to be. I don't think that necessarily means it's going to come down to JT and Lucas, but I do think it's a conversation they're going to have to have.


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[Assistant] Well, that's why they changed the rule. That's why I called Davis because he was, he was the captain when they changed the rule. It was essentially the Billy Horser rule going into 2016 based on what Billy had done in 14.


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[Assistant] And the idea is you want the hot hand. Now I'm going to kind of spin that on its ear. And I do think, I guess Lucas could help my argument quite a bit. I'm with Todd Lewis. I do think that Lucas...


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[Assistant] Should get the last pick. And that's essentially what this is going to come down to. Between Lucas and whoever else, we can have that debate, but I do think...


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[Assistant] He should get the last pick. However, I don't know what the rush is and I would actually push for the idea that why does Zach have to make the picks next week? I mean, it's not like.


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[Assistant] Well, I think Jordan's gonna have a say in that. I think Jordan wants him on that Ryder Cup team and Jordan... Everyone wants him. He's the heart and soul of that team. You don't leave that guy at home.


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[Assistant] No, I don't disagree with you. My point is, give it three more weeks. Like, what's the rush? Are we really doing this just so guys can get fit for sweaters?


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[Assistant] Did just have the proper team uniform. I mean, we can just show up. Lucas Glover's a medium. We saw him sweat through the best material money could buy in Memphis. It's not harsh. You're wicking pants. It is going to be a little bit warm in Rome. It's not going to be Memphis warm, but yes, I don't know what the rush is. It would be my argument because the idea is you want the hot hand.


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[Assistant] So let's say someone does play the next, the first three events or the first two events of the fall the way Lucas played.


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[Assistant] The Wyndham Championship and the, and the event in Memphis. Don't you want the hot hand? Like whoever that might be, let's say it's Sam Burns. I just think there is no rush. We don't think these things through well enough, I think sometimes.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think you can let it come down to one week. I think that would be silly. I would look, and look, I guess you're making a good argument. So if it really is going to come down to one pick for those three players.


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[Assistant] And you're kind of basing it on the idea. I don't think Lucas has to win this week, but let's say that he doesn't.


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[Assistant] Play as well as he finished for that finished 22 last week at the BMW championship.


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[Assistant] Which it wasn't terrible when you consider all the golf that he's played, and the dude was what? Only 49 guys in the field. Yep. I mean, middle of the pack, clearly.


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[Assistant] Still seems like he's struggling, specifically with his putting. I don't know how much he enjoyed being on that President's Cup team last year based on body language. And so I think Sam probably fits into the team room a little bit better. And again, at this point, you're sort of splitting hairs between the three of them.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was something that I saw on Instagram where, like, I've got to smash burgers down to a science, but it was kind of...


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[Assistant] I'm trying to think of what the best name, kind of like a patty melt smash burger.


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[Assistant] And you, you, you, you grill some onions alongside of it and then you grill them with the bun, bun sort of upside down. I'm sure you've seen this before.


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[Assistant] Unbelievably good. Like, eh, trust me, I will not be making smash burgers in the future. We have all decided in my household that that's the way we're going to go.


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[Assistant] Well, I think we probably need to do both. So I was going to talk to you offline, but since we're going to go ahead and do this online, uh, why don't we try to do something short on Sunday night? I think both of us are heading for the airport.


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[Assistant] A mini pod before we go to the airport. Just so you guys know, it's going to be 15 minutes. It's a hard 15 out because we do have flights to catch to get home on Sunday night. And then of course we have to do something to follow up on the picks. Sounds like a good deal to me.


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[Assistant] I think WoW is it? I think WoW does it. I think we can just end it there. Good analysis by you. I would say that what we saw over the last 45 minutes is probably indicative of what we can look forward to tomorrow because I think in the last 45 minutes there was sort of a moment or two where everyone was high-fiving each other in the Scrum area because we were going to have a Ricky Rory final.


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[Assistant] No cheering in the rest box. Uh, there's plenty of cheering going on. And then of course that gets flipped. Uh, Ricky Bogey's the last hole and then Wynton Clark birdie's the last hole. So you have a complete flip on that one, but I'm still taken by the idea that we won't know the champion tomorrow. I think there's a very, very good chance until the final play.


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[Assistant] And that to me is kind of the definition of a good major. And we can sit here and I'm sure we'll kind of dissect it over the next few days about whether this venue should be a U.S. Open venue.


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[Assistant] Whether or not the leaderboard is appropriate. I just keep going back to what you just pointed out. You have Wyndham Clark, Ricky Fowler.


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[Assistant] Rory McIlroy and Scottie Scheffler and they, they seem to be the, the three main characters.


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[Assistant] And this, I don't know that it gets any better than that. I mean, you could certainly have a guy that comes from the back. I mean, you look at Justin, Justin Johnson right there. Xander Chauflay had a really, really bad day and yet is somehow still, you know, remotely in it. But man, that was a cool finish and I think we're going to get the same thing tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Okay, because that is, is a byproduct. I think we can both agree of TV.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it probably cost them 20 minutes maybe, you know, as far as daylight goes. And so it would have been close either way. So I get with what they're saying and they're probably right.


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[Assistant] The other thing I want to throw the review flag on is not on you at all. It's the folks who leave their very kind comments on our podcast and I appreciate it. We really do and I just want to go on record because I think something's getting construed here.


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[Assistant] You and I like each other, or at least I like you. I don't know about, if it goes, if it's reciprocal, reciprocal or not. Touch and go.


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[Assistant] Touch and go. And I only say this because I think what people are picking up on is the fact that we're working 15 hour days.


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[Assistant] And probably a week from now when you and I go back and revisit some of these podcasts, we're going to be like, yeah, that was a little snarky. I probably shouldn't have said that. Uh, but no, we do like each other.


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[Assistant] Uh, and they're starting, not to interrupt you, uh, sorry about that, but they are starting an hour earlier tomorrow. Just, just so everyone, yeah, just the button.


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[Assistant] I would say unchanged and look, he got off to such a hot start. I felt like he birdies the first, he birdies the third. I had the feeling that, oh wow, like he could actually run away with this because he looked confident. I think this goes back to what you and I talked about this morning on live from when we did our hit.


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[Assistant] And eh, you have to like his attitude right now. And I love his swing. Like I talked to Butch Harmon.


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[Assistant] Those bogeys are going to start coming more often and then we're going to be fewer birdies. And I think that's what you ran into today. I don't think there's any alarm bells. I would certainly say I'm still pretty confident with where he is listening to him talk tonight. I don't think he was leaking any confidence. So I still like his chances.


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[Assistant] And I would push back on that. I know probably people who are watching live from this morning watched a feature on him that looked like he was 14 years old. But he's actually a little bit older than that. And he's a little bit older than that. But he definitely has scar tissue. I covered the window.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm sorry, I covered the Wells Fargo that he won and he talked at length on Sunday night about he kinda was to the point at the end of last year that he was thinking about quitting the game because he'd gotten close so many times and couldn't get it done and in his mind,


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[Assistant] He was like, well, if I'm not, if I can't win, I'm just not going to come out here as a job. Like he wanted to be that player who tried to win week in and week out, not that player that tried to cash paycheck.


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[Assistant] What did he learn? Not only at Wells Fargo, but really since then about himself that that he can get it done against really, really good players. Wells Fargo was a designated event. So it had a really major. Yeah. They had a, they had a deep field mid major. I'd even call it.


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[Assistant] And on a really, really difficult golf course, maybe some would say statistically harder than what this golf course has been playing this week. We haven't spent a lot of time talking to Wyndham about Wyndham Clark and to fairness to us, it's because Rory and Ricky and Xander and Scotty, they're all in the mix and that's who we're going to gravitate to. But I don't know that either one of us are going to be surprised if he's the one holding the trophy tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Uh, he's in such a different headspace than I've ever seen Rory and I've covered him his entire career since he turned pro. And even tonight, there wasn't sort of the relaxed joy that I think has kind of come to define Rory. And I'm not saying he's tight, I'm not saying that he's in his own head, I'm not saying he's lost in his own feelings.


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[Assistant] I just don't know where he is, cause this isn't the Rory that we're used to covering. How would you describe it? How would you describe it? What's going on here? Selling.


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[Assistant] I mean if I had to pick a word off the top of my head, I would say selling, which is weird because he's put himself into contention.


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[Assistant] That he had to do a swing change in the middle of the major championship season and he knows it's not going to bed in overnight. And so he's, that's what he said.


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[Assistant] So it's not as though he's feeling us with any confidence. And my guess, and this is a very reckless guess, but internally he knows that he's on the Razors edge. If you look at strokes, gain, tee to green, his ball striking has been brilliant this week.


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[Assistant] And I mean, if it was a year ago and he was doing this, I would have washed my hands and said, no one else show up tomorrow. I think Rory's going to get this done. I just still have so much doubt, not so much about his sullenness as I think is the best way I can come up to say it.


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[Assistant] But just where the state of his game right now, cause if he can sustain this for one more day, I love his chances tomorrow. I just don't know if he can. This is it.


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[Assistant] Uh, I like that. Going on a limb, that's impressive. Let's cut that and make that the headline right now. This podcast, Lab. Rory wins on Sunday. And I, I don't think you're wrong. I mean, I'm going to go ahead and pick Scotty.


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[Assistant] I'll give you your victory lap. I'll give it to you because here's the deal. It let's, but you're going, it's going to be crossed because what's going to happen is they're all going to drop anchor and Roy's going to win at nine under and you're going to have to eat that stat that you have been throwing out for pretty much Roy's lifetime and that's going to kill you. It's going to hurt you.


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[Assistant] You're going to be able to take the victory lap, but while you're doing it, you're going to fall down face first crying because you're going to be like, ah, I lost a great step.


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[Assistant] Is what all of us would imagine. Yeah, that's probably what he needs to do right now. He needs to be a little selfish after everything he's been through the last year where he put himself out on a limb at a PGA tour and they turned on him. He said he felt betrayed. He felt like he


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[Assistant] I know, but as we pointed out, as I pointed out, just at the start of this podcast and the last 45 minutes of today's round, things change dramatically. And I would imagine it's going to be the exact same scenario tomorrow coming down the stretch. And it's going to be twofold.


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[Assistant] For those of us, for the visual medium in the audience, there it is. Well, and I don't even think you're doing it justice. Like it was so-


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[Assistant] It was theatrical. It was very good. Uh, he's not hitting the ball. Uh, he's not leading the field. Strokes game Tita Green, which is shocking because he, that's all he's done really the last two or three months.


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[Assistant] Uh, he's fourth, but he's not leading the field, so it's shocking. And he's probably only going to get better, because that's what he does. He's a ball striking machine, he's the robot, he's Ben Hogan, whatever you want to call him. And he's gained strokes on the field, on the greens.


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[Assistant] That's what's been separating him the last few weeks. And I imagine he's going to do the same thing on Sunday. And I think in his particular case, he sort of has all those elements that make Sunday, which is going to be very, very difficult, add up to a victory.


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[Assistant] Well, that's, it's 2039 if I have the math right. So no, I won't be.


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[Assistant] You're killing me. That's right. That's the second headline. Lab news says Roy wins. Kills rekt.


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[Assistant] From skin cancer, no less. That's gonna come back. That headline's gonna hurt.


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[Assistant] When you can look at the entire product and see how the golf course has evolved from Thursday when there was record scoring till Sunday when there's not going to be record scoring. I think we can all agree with that. The other elements of that, you know, that you pointed out, sort of the on-site experience, that's problematic because it's a small crowd to begin with. They limited it to just 22,000 people a day and, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm going to do the thing. I'm going to do the thing that I did in Rochester and all those people came at me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so you don't have that feeling, uh, however,


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[Assistant] And I think this is going to be the deciding factor. TV loves it here.


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[Assistant] Because we're in Beverly Hills and you're getting nothing but really, really cool panoramas of everything around is UCLA.


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[Assistant] Because corporate hospitality is through the roof because that's essentially the only people who are on property. So as much as guys might not like it, I think this one's here to stay, like it or not.


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[Assistant] The Brooks that we remembered. I think I referred to him, I think Claude Harmon referred to him as Brooks 2.0 last night. But this looks like the original version. This is the one that just gets it and it's, you know, just holds on and pulls it away from everyone else. And he's just bigger, stronger, faster than everyone else.


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[Assistant] That maybe has gotten overlooked in all this. And again, I was talking about Claude Harmon. I don't think we can...


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[Assistant] Like, it's easy to sort of dismiss the last few years of Brooks' career and just, oh, he played bad. Like, just look, he just wasn't himself.


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[Assistant] And in this particular case, and I guess you can apply it to Tiger Woods and other of these great athletes who get hurt in their prime. And you suddenly...


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[Assistant] can't understand how it i to the point that it drove I think we talked about th idea and the Netflix beso years old, he thought he w what he did to major chan for that stretch for that


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[Assistant] I'm done. I don't think you can quantify how far he has come really in the last year, because if you think about it, according to Claude.


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[Assistant] Uh, he did pull it around, and you're right, he's right there. I think you and I had the conversation running from the parking lot to here to do the podcast that, look, it was impressive what Brooks did, and we can all marvel at how far he has come, and it looks like this is the guy that used to beat everyone up at the major championships and break them over their knee. However,


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[Assistant] Go back to the lad, you only have to look at recent history to realize that, oh well, he doesn't necessarily get it done every time. He didn't get it done at the Masters. And there's probably still going to be...


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[Assistant] Well, according to Claude, uh, yeaah, that's a good point. I think one of the things that he did learn, and I did this report last night online from, is the idea that he wanted to be there again. And I think that is pretty telling.


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[Assistant] There was the concept, there was the idea that all of these guys who joined LevGolf just wanted to take the bag. They just wanted to take the money and that they weren't worried about winning major championships anymore. And I think that proved, if anything else, just to himself. That, oh yeaah, I really, really like this. And when I'm in this position,


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[Assistant] It brings out the best in me and so if nothing else and they say that players learn more from defeat than they do victory and this will be a good test tomorrow. What did you learn?


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[Assistant] From Augusta National. My guess is if he wins tomorrow, you'll get a much better answer when he sits down and you'll probably ask him again of exactly what it is he figured out at the Masters.


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[Assistant] So if it's not going to be Proxy Kafka, and I think both of us, if we had...


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[Assistant] I mean, my issue with him is his short game, as we talked about last night, and so I'm going to go another way. However, I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this, because what I want to do is go Cory Connors, but I'm not quite sure if you're going to let me walk out of here if I pick Cory Connors as the winner if it's not Berks Kevkin. Connors had one bad hole.


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[Assistant] And I don't know at this point if Brooks is inclined to offer any help whatsoever. I just think he has played so well. I mean, you watched it. I mean, for the better part of 15 holes today, you were looking at the leaderboard. Nothing.


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[Assistant] With nothing but aggravation in your eyes. Like every time he would hit a perfect iron shot or a perfect drive or make the three footer for par, you would just roll your eyes. And I think that's what we're going to get more of tomorrow.


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[Assistant] And he kind of walked me through the same thing that we touched on last night. Like this was the perfect course for him. It still is the perfect course for him. He didn't know, he didn't see my tweet from yesterday, but when I told him about it, he goes, yeah, exactly. He goes that like that he, if there is a profile for this particular golf course and he talked about it with Corey, I mean, they knew coming into this, this tournament, what he was supposed to do.


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[Assistant] I just don't know if he goes out and shoots a 68, which I think is very, very doable.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm sorry, five shots. That seems like so much ground.


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[Assistant] He has to make up, against a player that is clearly playing well. I mean look, Bruce Kepgear shot a fine around 75 at the Masters.


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[Assistant] So, it's in his DNA right now. If you look at his recent history, it's certainly in his wheelhouse. However,


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[Assistant] He's not looking like he's going to do that. The one thing I took from Rory's round.


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[Assistant] He doesn't seem to want to come back when he puts himself in a bad position, and I ask him point blank, he bogey'd 6, he bogey'd 8, he bogey'd 9.


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[Assistant] In the worst of the weather, it's a very, very difficult part of the golf course. The sixth hole here might be the toughest golf hole in major championship history. I mean, it is just a bear of a hole. So he plays that four hole stretch and three over par. And I asked him what his mindset was and he kind of walked me through every hole and then shrugged.


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[Assistant] And he goes, look, I wish I would have played it in two over because I knew it was going to be a tough stretch. I knew the conditions were hard. He goes, but I kind of knew it was coming. And then you look at how he answered. He played two under on the back nine. He was solid, got himself to the house under par, still gave himself a chance.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I do not believe in Bryson, because since the opening round, which he was solid in the opening round with a 66, he's won over par for the week, and I didn't see anything particularly- That ain't bad! He's fourth! Stop, he's in fourth place!


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[Assistant] No, no, it's not bad and, and look, you pointed out, I think he had his best finish this season on the live tour last week. So clearly it seems like he's trending in the right direction. I think there's still a lot of holes in the game.


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[Assistant] And those sort of came to fruition today. Early is what kind of got you. He, he started sort of backpedaling early in his round. He double bogeyed the sixth. Again, hardest home run major championship golf in my opinion. But I, I don't see him, again,


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[Assistant] For him or anyone behind Brooks Kepke to do it, you're looking at a 66 or a 65 at the very least.


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[Assistant] And on this golf course, even under Damaris conditions, which are going to be much, much better, I still don't think that he's got that in him.


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[Assistant] I don't, I'm not too far off on that list. I mean, obviously I'm gonna go Brooks and then I just gave a reason why I'm gonna go Cory Connors and just for no other reason, I mean, you pointed out some good things. If he gets the driver going, it is such a good weapon on this golf course, which is still going to be wet.


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[Assistant] Kind of touching on what we all, what we did here. I think tomorrow is going to be an interesting dynamic because you have a couple different things at play here, right? You have Brooks Kapka and...


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[Assistant] Which Brooks are we going to get? Are we going to get 1.0 or are we going to get 2.0?


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[Assistant] I don't even know if that's the case. I think 2.0 just needs to evolve. I think it took Brooks a little while to get to where he was when he was winning those 4 out of 8 majors. Just mentally, physically, everything that made him sort of that super


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[Assistant] Player, let's call him. And after everything he's been through, I think it's perfectly understandable that he's still on the upward curve if you're looking at the bell curve. So I, I do want to see that. I do think there's some other elements here and this goes back to what we talked about at the Masters. Right now you have two live players that are inside the top four.


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[Assistant] And the idea that a live player could win this still sort of resonates. It's not quite as of a big deal now as it was last month at Augusta National, but I still think it's a big deal.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing. We're doing this in real time. So actually, Terrell Hatton was just finishing up his round with, well, it's a par on the 18th hole, but it was so animated. It was the perfect Terrell Hatton part. I'll say this about, it was some unknowns.


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[Assistant] It might be dressed up, it might be playing a PGA Championship venue, but it's a US Open venue. That being said, I think I saw more low scores.


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[Assistant] Look, my name's right there. Uhm, but he has this, they'll start tomorrow morning when I'm sure it's gonna be cold, not as cold as it was this morning on the sixth hole, which I think you're right, is playing the hardest. So he still has got, he has some work to finish up and stay in the lead. But I have to admit, I mean, there was a lot more birdies out there than I would have thought, but.


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[Assistant] I'll go to what Scottie Scheffler says. It's not going to get any easier than this. I just glanced at the forecast. The winds never get below 20 miles an hour the rest of the week.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, you know, we don't want listeners to stalk you like people do to Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift. We don't need that situation on the podcast.


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[Assistant] Uh, Brenton, the biggest thing I learned is that the owners are suddenly open to these huge changes. I mean, this group is normally so conservative. They hate making big rule changes that really kind of change the philosophy of how you play the game.


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[Assistant] Uh, or a certain aspect of the game as we saw with this kickoff rule. I mean, this is unprecedented. I was trying to think of the biggest rule changes we've seen probably in our lifetimes.


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[Assistant] I would say the two point conversion, uh, would be one, uh, adding instant replay, bringing that back, which was in the late nineties would be one and maybe moving the extra point back. But again, the extra point rule, they, they,


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[Assistant] I made that a pre-season role for two years in 2014 and then they said let's do it again pre-season 2015 and then we'll do it the trial during the regular season 2015.


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[Assistant] And the backers and the important adders both said that's why they voted against it is because, hey, we'd like to see this maybe as a preseason trial first before we go, uh, jumping into the deep end. But nope, the owners, if the NFL wants a big change, Goodell proved he can push it through and convince the owners to do it with this vote this week.


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[Assistant] Part of that though is that obviously we're going to see this in the preseason, but I think that special team coaches are not going to want to give anything away. So we're just going to see the standard kick returns, which still it will spice it up because we're seeing the new kickoff.


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[Assistant] In the preseason, uh, but yeah, I don't think we're actually going to know how this plays out until we get to the regular season. Of course, the downside here is you can no longer use the kickoff as a bathroom break.


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[Assistant] Uh, which I did at Super Bowl 56 when the Bengals played the Rams because I'm gonna bring this up because this is your mindset. We had to do the post game podcast. I was at the game with my family.


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[Assistant] You know, the Bengals might return it for touchdown. I missed the game winning score and I regret that for the rest of my life, but nope. It's the whole, my theory work. Matt Gaake ticked in the end zone for touchback. I didn't miss anything, made it back. So you can't do that anymore because we're gonna get returns now.


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[Assistant] So at that point, let me say one thing quick. I was actually texting with my dad about the rule and I think this is well, you gotta talk about it.


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[Assistant] One of the things though is that look, NFL kickers are better than XFL kickers, so I think that's something that I don't know if the owners really thought that part of it through, so they're gonna have


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[Assistant] Better ball placement. As Brinson said, better wedge game. This is like PGA guys versus college golfers.


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[Assistant] What we're talking here. And so, you know, your plan, I think as a special teams coach is to make sure the ball hits the ground because that gives the coverage team an extra second or two and maybe the returner has trouble fielding it. So I think the ultimate plan is going to be for the ball to somehow hit the ground. But where that happens is going to be up to each special teams coach.


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[Assistant] All you're saying is that everyone celebrates Christmas and some people don't mind working on Christmas.


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[Assistant] They are never taking Christmas off again. It's been five straight years. And if they're playing on Wednesday, they're going to play on any day that Christmas falls on. I will say though, from the safety standpoint, and Brynston, you just mentioned the part Al Goodell compared to play Sunday, Thursday game.


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[Assistant] So it's definitely similar as far as the break goes. So however you feel about Thursday football, you know, it's one thing, uh, but it is the same break. But honestly, if I'm a team, I don't mind playing the Christmas game because now you get an 11 day break before week 18. If you clinch that wild card spot,


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[Assistant] And you rest your starters in Week 18, you literally get 18 days for your team to rest at the end of the season. So that's a great idea. Is that too much, though?


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, maybe you're still playing for seed in week 18, but I'm saying the fact that if you're in a wild card battle and you even have that option, that's an option that usually only goes to winning the division. So I don't think it's the worst thing in the world for a team to be stuck playing this game, which would be in week 17. It'll be the first two games of week 17 in case anyone's wondering how that would work.


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[Assistant] I mean, that feels like what, that's what Jim Harbaugh does want. I love the fact that he was just being the ultimate salesman out there.


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[Assistant] Saying, uh, JJ McCarthy is the best quarterback in the draft. Somebody call us, uh, and come up and trade up and get JJ McCarthy. He's trying to make sure that four quarterbacks go in the top four so that they have the first non-quarterback pick. Jim Harbaugh is brilliant.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he was getting a super discount. He was getting a Walmart level discount that only the Broncos should be able to give because they're owned by the Walmart guy. And I think that you had the other owners just kind of raising their eyebrows saying, Hey, you're kind of torpedoing the value of every team. If you start selling.


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[Assistant] At this discount rate, and we can't have that happen. But I think the interesting thing, and so Brady kind of initially agreed to this in May, 2023, and we're still here talking about it.


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[Assistant] Right before Valentine's Day, Super Bowl Sunday, NFL media reported that Tom Brady is now back on track to become a Raiders minority owner. And so the thought was that this would get approved at this round, uh, at the annual league meeting. It did not.


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[Assistant] So it is interesting that there's another delay. Maybe they just want to see, hey, look, you guys, the price was 10% of what we wanted. You need to keep knocking that up and we're not going to prove this until it gets to a number that everyone is on board with. And that's what it feels like. And I do think the other interesting thing here is the Fox thing. Look.


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[Assistant] They can say publicly it doesn't matter, but if Tom Brady is calling your game, he goes into your locker room. He's talking to your guys about personality. He's talking to your guys about strategy. He's talking to the head coach, but that would worry me a little bit if I'm improving him as an owner. So I don't think this is as cut and dry as it maybe sounded a month ago.


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[Assistant] Whereas if you're Greg Olson, and no offense to Greg Olson, but if you're critical, players might say, well,


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[Assistant] Okay, but what did you do? Where's your Super Bowl ring, man? Like, why are we taking criticisms from you? So I feel like there's, Brady almost has this impunity because he's Tom Brady. So I do feel like if someone can do it, it's Brady. It's still Brady.


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[Assistant] Uh, well, I think that what Roger Goodell is trying to say is that he promised a few years ago that the NFL would eventually make $25 billion. Uh, he milked the cow for all it's worth on this side of the world. Now it's time you gotta stretch out. You gotta go into other countries and you gotta get new fans and you gotta figure out new ways to bring in more money.


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[Assistant] And real quick on this game, uh, Mark Murphy, Packers president said that the Eagles either replaying the Packers or the Browns will be one of those two teams.


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[Assistant] Will be. And also, it's interesting this game is on a Friday night because that's generally kind of your lowest TV rated night. And so maybe that's why they're putting it on streaming because it's not so much about the numbers. It's about playing a game in Brazil and just kind of get that out of the way and then, you know, figure things out after that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, like you said, he's the master of the word salad and he's perfected it and that's why he has been a pretty good commissioner. I will say though,


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[Assistant] You know, we talked a little bit about this when it happens, but I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL, I don't, maybe not drops the hammer, but like drops the screwdriver on the Falcons because you just have Kirk Cousins literally admitting to it. I don't see how they cannot not get punished.


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[Assistant] And so I feel like if you make an example of that, maybe dock them a third round pick or whatever, uh, then teams will cut down on the chatter that comes before the tampering period. Cause NFL is saying, look, we already gave you a tampering period. We're not going to open up.


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[Assistant] Well, I will say with Saquon though, he actually went on the New Heights podcast with Travis and Jason Kelsey, uh, on Wednesday, March 27th.


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[Assistant] And he said he was actually texting with CJ Stroud and his first instinct was to sign with the Texans. He's allowed, you know, the players can recruit each other. You can't, you can't talk with the coaching staff or the general manager, anybody in Houston.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he's like, yeah, that's kind of, I thought where I was going to end up. And then he said the Eagles called on Monday. So he, you know, he stuck to that part of the story and was saying, so he's, he's trying to make sure the Eagles don't get in trouble.


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[Assistant] Yes, no tack clause, no trade clause. So the Cowboys are coming up against it here.


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[Assistant] Alright, so first let me say that I do think he stays with the Cowboys, which is boring. So I'm gonna spice things up.


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[Assistant] But I think the juiciest landing spot would be the New York Giants. Just think if they let him walk, the Giants need a quarterback right now. Maybe they draft one.


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[Assistant] This year, but maybe they don't, maybe no one falls in their lap and they say, all right, we'll just roll with Daniel Jones for one more season.


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[Assistant] Of the NFL, I mean that would be the worst possible thing that could happen to the Cowboys. So I like that as my super juicy landing spot, the New York Giants.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think if you're clowny, you're thrilled with this too. You're, you're, you grew up 30 miles away from Charlotte and look, if he has, he's been pretty good the last few seasons. He's hit at least nine sacks in two of his past three seasons. And like Princeton said, the Panthers have just been quietly making smart moves.


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[Assistant] Uh, it almost feels like the Texans last year, when you, when you go back and assess everything they did in the offseason, you're like, wow, that really.


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[Assistant] Wasn't that bad. We're hating on them for the Brian Burns trade, but now that we see everything that's happened, it's just okay. They're in the NFC South. That's a division where anybody can compete. And if Price Young just plays slightly above average football, they might be able to compete in that division.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think if you're the Rams, this is low risk, high reward, you're only paying eight and a half million dollars. If Trudevius way is anywhere near the all pro level that he has been earlier in his career, then you got a shut down defensive player for cheap.


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[Assistant] And if he's not, then you say, all right, well, we only signed up for one year and we'll give them the boot after the season. So I think this is a good move for the Rams.


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[Assistant] Well, well first I'm gonna defend JJ real quick because Cordero Patterson does hold the NFL record for most kickoff return touchdowns and maybe JJ was saying he's the best kickoff returner of all time. He wasn't until just now.


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[Assistant] Right, right, right, but if you were only judging on kickoff returns alone, you could certainly put Patterson in the argument.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, so I think it will be interesting to see what kind of returners are back there because like you said, it's, it would almost make sense for an AusNetware type or a Christian McCaffrey type. Like if you're the 49ers in the Super Bowl, I think Christian McCaffrey is your returner in a big game like that because


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[Assistant] You know, he's got vision. Any running back with great field vision who can kind of, uh, juke through defenders would be good, but...


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[Assistant] The flip side of that is you still, still do have the open field element to it right away, right? When you initially get the ball, you want someone who can kind of take off in the first 10 or 15 yards because the coverage team isn't going to be there yet. And that's kind of where Cordero Patterson thrives. So I do think, and he plays running back. So he's kind of the perfect.


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[Assistant] Uh, dual threat guy to do this. So I do think this is a smart signing by the Steelers, but it will be interesting to see what teams do. And if they put running backs back there in big games or, uh, yeah, I mean, McCaffrey is a great example of once you get to the playoffs, are you putting your


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[Assistant] 15 million dollar running back, returning kicks because you know how big it is in important situations.


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[Assistant] You can have two returners back there, so that's still in play. And I mean, honestly, you could have someone come off the line and like come back for reverse if you wanted to, but it could only happen after the initial returner catches the ball. So I mean, there's still funky stuff that can be, that can happen.


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[Assistant] Right. As soon as the ball hits the ground or as soon as the returner touches it, the guys on the, on the line, on the restraining line, as the NFL refers to it, uh, can move in and do crazy things like that.


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[Assistant] I though, if I was the producer of Hard Knocks, would take- This answer I'm sure will surprise us. A Northern division, but not the NFC North. I would take the AFC North.


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[Assistant] For me, look, you start with the Steelers. Either you have Russell Wilson maybe reviving his career in Pittsburgh, or you have a QB controversy by the time this kicks off.


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[Assistant] In November, if they stick the same timeline, you have Justin Fields, maybe itching to get in there and start if Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] Uh, the bangles, obviously Joe burrow coming off the wrist injury. That is going to be a story if he's struggling to start the season. And then, uh, of course the Baltimore A's. So I think. Well, they're the only team that doesn't


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[Assistant] Patrons of the new coaching staff can be fascinating, the Bills are fun. I feel like it's the NFC South has got to be the answer, right?


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[Assistant] But one thing real quick, the pre-season version of Hard Knocks, they changed the criteria slightly. Oh, they did? It used to be, if you had been in the playoffs in any of the past two seasons, you didn't have to be on the show, that's not a rule anymore. Oh, they got rid of that?


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[Assistant] That is not a rule. Now the rule is if you are participating in in-season Hard Knock Show, obviously you don't have to be on the pre-season one. And if you are scheduled to be on the following season in-season Hard Knock Show. So I'm guessing they're going to be planning these at least two years in advance. You don't have to.


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[Assistant] You're done opting out because you fired your coach. No, no, the first year head coach rule is still in place. Okay. That's still in place. And then the other, the third rule was if you have been on Hard Knocks in the past 10 years, you do not have to be on the show. Uh, that has now been cut down to eight years. So those, but the playoff rules out the only teams that do not have to do it.


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[Assistant] Princeton, how much money should I bet on NC State to beat Marquette? Like, everything? My child's college fund?


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[Assistant] Wow, you and I are both, we both chose Phil. We finally, we finally agreed on one.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know what's weird is I was flying home, uh, we, we kind of alluded to this a couple times in the podcast. I flew home today from Rochester to Orlando because my youngest son graduates from high school early tomorrow morning, so I wouldn't have been able to make it.


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[Assistant] It wasn't a good travel day. I don't want to talk about it.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was touch and go there for a while. 12 hours home from Rochester to Orlando is not the way you should do it.


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[Assistant] But I did write, actually, I wrote Michael Block column because I thought that was a very, very cool story. And I actually wrote a story about, I don't even know if you saw this and everything else you were, you were kind of unpacking. But my mind immediately goes to how it impacts the Ryder Cup, which is a weird thing to do because all the historical.


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[Assistant] This seems like it locked it up. I think by most accounts that I saw, this is going to move him to second on the list, which is, I think that's not technically, probably not mathematically, but it's going to lock them up. And so suddenly all of those things that we sort of whispered about, well, all right, maybe not maybe.


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[Assistant] All those things, at the very least, it's gonna put him inside the top 10. I feel comfortable.


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[Assistant] So then if he's not locked as in the top 6th, I think that that's even more difficult for Zach Johnson. But beyond that. How do you leave off? How do you leave off of rating?


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[Assistant] And you know what was fun is I actually spent the last two days kind of doing a lot of reporting about Brooks and I'm sure you could talk to Claude and Claude had a lot of, Claude Harmon, his swing coach had a lot of interesting things to say, but I talked with his dad, uh, Bob Koepka last night and we sort of covered a lot of ground. One of the things that I think I touched on this last night was I don't think people understood.


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[Assistant] How injured he was the idea for my story was how broken was brooks because in retrospect when you talk to the people who are around him they'll tell you that.


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[Assistant] It was almost tiger-like. It was almost career ending. It was almost to the point that he's never going to play golf again. And to get from that point to where he is right now, I think that's pretty amazing.


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[Assistant] Uh, I can't wait to read it. I actually do want to read it and usually I would be very reluctant to dive into 3,000 of your words on a Sunday night.


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[Assistant] You have a tendency to go, but that, that one I am curious about because I have, I've talked to the members of the team and I think this is, there's so many elements to this. You're right. I mean, the Ryder Cup element, what this means about pro golf at the highest level.


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[Assistant] What does it, like, I don't know how many people texted me about, so what does this mean about live golf right now? And I don't know that it changes.


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[Assistant] Well, it's funny, I, I sent a manager texting me that, that exact question and I sent him like a, like a war and peace novel text back and his response to me was, oh, okay. And I'm like, well, that was disappointing because what I take is he just gives you the thumbs up, thumbs up emoji. You're like, all right, that was a waste of time. I shouldn't have even have gone that far.


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[Assistant] I went back to Augusta and I felt like that normalized it to a certain degree because you had both sides together and there wasn't this conflict. Whether the conflict was manufactured by the media or not.


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[Assistant] And that's a whole nother conversation. It wasn't there. I mean, we saw.


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[Assistant] You know, everybody hugging Dustin Johnson. We saw all of the players moving around the range. Yes, it was a little uncomfortable for Phil Mickelson and Patrick Reed. Probably wasn't, probably didn't get a lot of hugs, but the rest of them were just glad to be back. I mean, I saw, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, Harold Varner the other day, just smiling and happy as, happy as can be and people were happy to see him. And I think the Brendan Steele sort of Keegan Bradley thing that I wrote about a couple of days ago about, I mean, Keegan missed his friend.


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[Assistant] And he hadn't been around, so I think that normalized it to a certain degree, and my guess is, and we're gonna have to wait to see how this plays out, this just does that even more.


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[Assistant] I don't think that the two sides are ever going to come together or come together anytime soon, but what you're gonna end up with is...


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[Assistant] To that point, actually at the champions dinner earlier last week at Oak Hill, earlier this week at Oak Hill, I mean, I was told that Brooks and Jay had a long conversation.


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[Assistant] Then, you're right. Like, he could play Peacemaker. I don't know.


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[Assistant] I don't even know if that's an option right now, I guess is the way I put it out there. And the reason I say that is I feel like at the highest level, and I'm talking about Jay Monahan and Greg Norman on the two sides, I don't see either one of those leaders having any interest in trying to meet in the middle. I think both of them are so entrenched at this point.


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[Assistant] Something else is going to have to happen, and I have no idea what that would be.


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[Assistant] To burn the both sides, to burn both sides closer to the middle.


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[Assistant] But what I, what I did think, and kind of wrote an item, and Zach Johnson had an interesting


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[Assistant] Interview today where there was a lot of back and forth about are you going to welcome Brooks onto this team and are you going to go to live events and start scouting players and incredibly uncomfortable interview.


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[Assistant] It w- it seemed like it. I just read it again. I was kind of reading it in the Sky Lounge in Atlanta Airport. But I- it seems to me that if anything else, the Ryder Cup, and this is why I went straight to the Ryder Cup, the Ryder Cup could play that- that peacemaker role. Where suddenly, I mean, whether you like it or not, Brooks is gonna be on that team.


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[Assistant] And I can imagine a scenario where at least one other player can play his way on there, whether that's DJ or, uh, I don't know. I mean, Bryson could do it. He's finished T4 major.


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[Assistant] Sure and I can imagine a serious scenario where you have to at least two players on that team and then all of a sudden now it's become normalized it's become.


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[Assistant] It isn't two sides, you don't have two distinct universes, and I think that could go a long way to making this a little bit normal.


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[Assistant] Took the bag. Turned that into t-shirts and hats because I've heard that line a lot myself. It's a good line. They took the bag. Uh, and this is a little unfair and I'll take the heat on it because I started with the Ryder Cup and the Lib-Golf stuff.


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[Assistant] Because it, it does ignore a brilliant performance. I mean, watching him today, he, he did what I thought Scottie Scheffler was going to do, honestly, after essentially two and a half


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[Assistant] And I think you had asked Brooks, you know, what did you learn from Augusta that you can carry over? And he was very reluctant on Saturday night to tell you that I called Bob Koepka and tried to get the same answer out of him. Like, what did he learn? Do you think he's going to turn over? And Bob actually said he felt like that he was 100% going to be aggressive.


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[Assistant] Well, and just to go on the record, and this epiphany came to me as I'm watching the final round in the Delta lounge at Atlanta airport, and I felt like even texting you, I knew you were busy, so I didn't bug you, but, and please.


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[Assistant] And please, uh, yes, meet me, everybody, the world, meet me on camera one right here. I was wrong about Victor Hoblin. I think I sat here on this podcast last night and said, nope, nope, not gonna get it done. Like, I don't, I just don't have any, any faith in his short game. I was wrong. He's going to win a major and it might be the next major.


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[Assistant] I mean, there is no way he, I think he missed the green on, on two, if I'm, if I'm remembering this correctly.


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[Assistant] And it was not an easy up and down. I mean, it was, it was actually a tight lie down at the bottom of the hill and he had to hit kind of a manufacturer shot, had to hit a spinner.


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[Assistant] And I'm, I'm sitting in the, in the lounge thinking to myself, this is glorious. Like I'm, I'm the grief eater. I'm going to sit and watch him skull this across the green. And it was just perfectly hit. A lot of spin, right on the right spot, spun it to about two feet and made the putt.


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[Assistant] You know what? That shows me. I have changed. I've changed my mind. I'm on team Victor right now. He's gonna win a major.


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[Assistant] And I would argue he got beat, like we do this all the time, like it's a silly sports radio thing where, you know, did he lose, did he get beat? I would say he got beat, like he played an unbelievable round of golf. And I'll go to immediately, like I wanted to look this up.


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[Assistant] Before we got on the podcast, but strokes gained around the green for Victor. He was 10th in the field, gained more than three, three strokes on the field. Scrambling, he was sixth.


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[Assistant] That's 14 for 21. That's really good for a guy that I sat on this podcast last night and said, nope, not going to do it because I don't trust this short game.


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[Assistant] Uh, didn't have his best stuff. I think I'm talking with him Saturday night after that round. Uh, he was clear that he didn't feel like he was hitting the ball well enough. He actually talked about


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[Assistant] Hitting the driver and knowing it was gonna go in the rough and just kind of coming to grips with that. And that's gotta be for a player of his caliber who has done things with the driver at major championships that really no one outside of probably Tiger Woods and maybe Jack Nicklaus have done. That's gotta be hard for him to swallow. But reading the transcript tonight, I was more taken by the idea that he again, let the middle game get the best of him.


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[Assistant] Teeing off and already being behind, like someone's already jumped out to a four or five, six stroke lead on Thursday.


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[Assistant] That to me is amazing for a player, one, as accomplished as he is, and two, as talented as he is. It's fascinating to me that Rory is sometimes Rory's worst enemy.


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[Assistant] Probably would have told us what was going to happen in Scotland. And actually, of all the columns I've gotten my hand slapped on, and I got my hand slapped really, really hard on this one, it was the column coming out of that Ryder Cup.


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[Assistant] But that's, uh, well no, I mean, he's the last captain to, to win on, on, over in Europe. So I, I would say there was a time when he was a very, very good captain. Not, not with the mentality that he had. And that anecdote is a perfect example of why. And it has nothing to do with his ability to be a captain. It has nothing to do with his ability to play golf. It's.


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[Assistant] To the point that you confused him with a club pro is just baffling.


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[Assistant] I didn't think you saw it. I would want to turn this on you. You're right. That, that is the dichotomy of that is interesting, but I would want to turn this on you because I wrote it last night and watching today and listening to the interview.


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[Assistant] I wrote that he has become humanized and the Netflix special had a lot to do with that. I think we got an insight into him that I don't think he had ever allowed. I think again, talking with Claude.


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[Assistant] I feel like injury, and again, this goes back to last year, and I'm sure that you had this conversation with Claude, but it was about this time last year.


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[Assistant] When he started wrestling with the idea, do I need to go to live? And we know now that that.


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[Assistant] That decision was based entirely on the idea that at 30-something years old, he thought he was washed.


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[Assistant] Which again, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around considering his record, but his body hurts so much and he had gone through so much and he didn't feel like he was at a point where he can continue to be Brooks Kepka on the PGA tour. So, okay, I'm going to take the bag.


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[Assistant] Money tip Claude Harman on that one. That, that to me shows me that at some point,


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[Assistant] And again, maybe you're right, maybe he hasn't been humanized because reading the comments of our podcast last night, it doesn't sound to me like the public has any more affinity for him now than they did before. However, I think just in our eyes, or at least in my eyes, I would say that, yeaah, I at least try to see another side of Brooks, whereas before,


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[Assistant] I like the stone cold killer too. I have nothing against him. I mean, look, I mean, Kobe was a God in LA. I mean, because of the Kobe mentality, that was the whole idea, mama mentality. However, in this particular case, I have.


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[Assistant] At least in my own mind humanized him to the point that, okay, I can empathize with what he's gone through. I can understand that man, like the injuries were really, really bad and he was wrestling with a lot of stuff that.


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[Assistant] Oh absolutely, you're right, there are the layers, and there is the idea that, again, a lot of this is Netflix, and I think that was 100% performative.


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[Assistant] Like he was playing to the cameras and there's no doubt about that. But I also, you and I both have talked to enough people around him.


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[Assistant] To understand that it was real, like he looked at his own career, professional mortality in the face and decided, you know what? I'm going to try to.


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[Assistant] I mean, for his career, if he can stay healthy, I mean, suddenly we start talking about...


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[Assistant] Like Phil Mickelson, right? Right? That's the next step.


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[Assistant] You're right, and like, that was going to be my follow up to you. I don't know that I would make him, I was about to ask you if he would be your favorite. I'm not quite sure he'd be my favorite at that particular golf course. You and I just got through slapping it around there. So I don't know if I would, I would pick him to be the favorite there, but he would be among the favorites. I would say, I mean,


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, the ceiling is very, very high. If he can stay, I mean, that's the asterisk always, right? If he can stay healthy, then of course, I mean, we've seen what he can do in less than two years, he won four.


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[Assistant] So if he goes on another terror like that, suddenly we start talking about Tiger Woods territory, which seems outrageous.


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[Assistant] I did too. Yeah, we were pretty close. Uh, and I think I picked Scotty and you picked Rom.


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[Assistant] And I will say this and this goes to the larger lib picture because I, I'm sure we had this conversation going into the masters because.


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[Assistant] We just didn't know. Like how do the live players slot in? They're playing 54 hole events, we don't have shot length, we can't quantify if they're playing well or not. We don't have strokes, gain, whatever to decide are they, are they playing well enough.


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[Assistant] I think the last two majors have completely dispelled that in my mind and I don't know, like going forward I'm a little lost to be quite frank with you because


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[Assistant] There are ways that you and I sit down when we're doing previews and we decide, okay, this guy's playing well, that guy's not. Look, you can go and say, uh, Dustin Johnson won last week on the live tour, but you don't have the strokes game.


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[Assistant] It's only 54 holes and again, I'm not getting into that debate, whether it's good or bad. I'm just saying it's 54 holes and it's a very limited field. I just don't know how to handicap these guys, but apparently it doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] Our friend, uh, Doug Ferguson, I saw tweeted this morning that, uh, the PGA should not leave Rochester without, uh, re-signing Oak Hill. What's the next available date? 2032 maybe? 2031. 2031 according to the banners that I'm looking at. Uh, don't let one of those banners hit you on the head.


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[Assistant] I don't know that I particularly agree with this, and we've had fun with you this week, myself and Mark Slayball, the golf rider from ESPN, because you are a Rochester homer, it's your home game, you've leaned in, you've been


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[Assistant] Just a raging pain in the butt about it, in the pooper about it. Uhm, I will say...


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[Assistant] I will say this, the golf course itself, it was phenomenal. What they've done with the redesign is really, really cool. Like walking around the property, I don't remember anything from Jason Duffner winning and I can probably walk you through all 18 holes right now because I was so fascinated by what they've done.


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[Assistant] Just with the layout and revitalizing the Donald Ross design and making it so much more textured and interesting.


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[Assistant] That being said, and look, you're a homer because it's your hometown event, okay?


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[Assistant] So I'm, I'm just gonna put, and I thought about this on the plane on the way home, on the, on the very, very long way home tonight.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm from a little tiny town in Florida called Titusville, Florida. And I love growing up in Titusville, Florida. It was an awesome place. They should never play a major championship in Titusville, Florida. They probably shouldn't play a major championship in Rochester.


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[Assistant] If you really, really, if you really, really like Oak Hill, dig it up and take it to Long Island. That's my take.


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[Assistant] Spit it out. Uh, tiny little town, port on Clodell Airport, uh, the hotel I stayed in was bad, traffic was bad, like I can keep going, man. It just, it's, it's, it should not host a major championship. There's a reason why major cities host Super Bowls and a major championship is our Super Bowl. Rochester is a major city. It is not a major city. It has no other major sports. No other major sports. Uh, it does have two,


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[Assistant] Okay, it's in the name. You actually said it in the name. You said minor in both names. They don't have any other major sport. They don't have an NBA team. They don't have an MLB team. They don't have a major league sport there.


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[Assistant] That's Buffalo. That's Buffalo. You're talking about an entirely different market. If we, if you want to, fine. Dig up a kill and put it in Buffalo.


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[Assistant] I mean, outside of Oak Hill, it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong,


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[Assistant] The second most important thing that Rochester is known for is something called the garbage plate. Am I wrong? Right? That's just, that's just lazy rep...


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[Assistant] The sixth hole is the hardest hole on the PGA Tour this year by .1 stroke, which is dramatic. That, that's, that's by a, by a long shot. Oh yeah. Just I, I wanted to look. And I liked it. I didn't mind it at all. I love the idea that those guys had to work hard for a par.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I feel like that's computer screen, but let's go with, let's go with really somber because that's, that's a little- Really, really somber.


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[Assistant] Yeah, see, that to me, like, I'm not a, I'm a beach guy, I'm not an ocean guy, if that makes any sense. I will go up to my waist.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that's interesting. You know, I have them trading up to number three with New England is just kind of a thought experiment breach. We already talked about this. I don't think New England should trade out of that pick. I would roll the dice and try to select that quarterback, but you do bring up a good point that it is a crapshoot. Like, you know, this is,


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[Assistant] 20% of the time these quarterbacks work out and 80% of the time they turn into big flops. So if you're in Minnesota and in my trade, you're, you're trading 11, 23 and a 20, 25 first round pick. Like that's kind of the arsenal you need to do to get up to that spot.