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[Assistant] I'm going Tyree Wilson right here, edge rusher from Texas Tech, right? Get their Miles Garrett, get their Nick Bosa, whatever you want to say. They get their edge rusher to make D'Amico Ryan's defensive system that would made it so successful in San Francisco. This is the guy that can be that type of presence that Nick Bosa was for his football team.


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[Assistant] I know there's liking here. I'm not totally confident. Again, the foot issue scares me. What do you mean, liking of the Texans and Wilson? Yes, I know that there's a contingent in that building that likes Tyree Wilson as the pastor and the guy. Now, you know, again, this is where


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[Assistant] The last ten days is when everybody starts to come together with weight injuries.


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[Assistant] You know, where are we going to dictate how he falls or how we view that? You know, testing, all that stuff. The mental testing, the process testing, the personality testing, all that. That all starts to get filtered out here within the last 10 days. That's really what teams do down the home stretch. But yes.


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[Assistant] I don't know anybody that has Will Anderson in front of Tyree Wilson as a, as a prospect. I don't know anybody. People in the NFL. I know nobody. I'm just letting you know right there. I don't know one person.


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[Assistant] But if there's two teams that I could see having him up there,


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[Assistant] It's the Texans and the Cardinals, cause they're into no mental mistakes. It's the New England way, Casario and Monte Osanford. He'll do exactly, he's safe. There's no, the floor is high, right? He's going to do what we tell him. He's going to do it at a pretty high level, even though he might never be a superstar. That's New England.


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[Assistant] And that's why, you know, they make me second-guess this to a degree because of that aspect, uh, and then of course the injury on top of that, but uhm, no, I'm, I'm gonna go with, you know, what I've heard and what I really think makes sense ultimately, and then I think D'Amico Ryan has a good amount of power in that organization and he's gonna get his edge pass rusher.


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[Assistant] I might be kissing my own butt here when it's all said and done. I don't think I'm loose enough to do that. Or flexible enough. But yeaah.


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[Assistant] Really, let me just say this. Number two and number three should be Jalen Carter. He's the best player in the draft.


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[Assistant] So if you're not taking a quarterback, that's who they should take. But I don't, I don't have the sense that those two teams are gonna go down that route. It's a little risky maybe with the off the field stuff. And they both have had teams that have had to deal with


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[Assistant] Off the field bull crap a lot over the last two years, right? Let alone, I'm not sure it's in the DNA. So that's where, yes, I'm going to go with.


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[Assistant] Will Anderson here, he's a safe for sure thing. Again, as I stated when we did this, he's a good player. He's just, to me, this is still way too high. I mean, I would, there's no way.


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[Assistant] Yes, right. Exactly, exactly right. I think that's exactly what I see here. And then I think when you couple that GM in with it, and then the state of the organization, that's kind of why I went that way there.


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[Assistant] Is there a part of me that goes, wait, is Jonathan Gannon? He just came from Philadelphia with these Georgia D tackles and big asses and all that. Are we sure he doesn't want that again? I don't know. I don't know. But the word on the street, the feeling I get was,


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[Assistant] If they had to be there, it's going to be Will Anderson. So that's where I'm going with it and we'll see where it goes. But I think there, there certainly could be some action for that number three pick, whether it's a quarterback or a team that goes, wait, we want Jaylen Carter.


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[Assistant] So we're gonna come up to get him. To me, he's the only guy that's gonna be the trade up come to get him guy. Him or Tyree Wilson are one of the quarterbacks. Uh, I don't think you'll see a trade for anything else.


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[Assistant] I really don't, no. And like I told you, I don't...


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[Assistant] I'm going off of just things I've heard. The people I know, and I mean you know who some of my friends are in the NFL. You know, and some of you out there can certainly make some guesses too. You don't know all of them, you know some of them, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] Nobody, I mean, nobody. I haven't had anybody go, not even like put up a fight. That's, that's what I'm saying. So, again, uhm, yeaah, I would not feel comfortable with him at number three, but uhm, I, I can certainly see that team being comfortable with it and with their situation.


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[Assistant] It's a surprise to me. I didn't want to put him there as I'm doing my mock draft. I don't want to put the guys that I don't want or think should be up there, up there. I'm trying to be true to the world in which it is, in which the betting markets, the rumors I hear in football, some of the people I trust, and that's why I'm going there.


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[Assistant] I've gotten the sense that the Texans in the Colts, it's Levis or Anthony Richardson before it's Stroud. That's the sense I've gotten.


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[Assistant] Again, you know me, I don't believe that. I don't want to be caught in this like off the field talk crap or all that. I'm just telling you what's out there in the NFL right now.


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[Assistant] You know, everybody knows who my number one quarterback is. That's for sure. But yeaah, I think they're gonna go Will Levis here. I do. You know, Will Levis, I think again, people liked the player. He's very smart.


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[Assistant] And we know he's got some big time tools to mess with. And I think people have come to the determination between that, the off the field testing and all that, that they feel more comfortable with the human and his potential than a CJ Stroud right now or whoever. So yes, uh, Will Levis Colts right there for.


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[Assistant] He still has a lot of awards on a lot of people's, on a lot of people's minds. It's just, there's some teams that are gonna overcome it for the potential factor, I think. And maybe because they didn't like some other people as much as they thought they were gonna like them, right? I think that plays into it a little bit as well. But you're right. I mean, again, I don't think


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[Assistant] I know, you know, when people start to go, Oh, he might fall or he might fall. This is because a lot of smart people in football were watching film going, damn, it ain't that good. I mean, it's all over the place, right? You know, but there is still people.


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[Assistant] That we're in it going, hey, you know, he was in a bad situation. We think we can fix the mechanics. The kid is very smart. Talk to some people, it's through the roof smart, right? He's obsessive worker and all that.


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[Assistant] So people can get behind that, right? Okay, it's almost a little like Anthony Richardson. He's got a few flaws, but we know he loves the game, he's willing to work, he's got physical tools. Okay, we're willing to take a risk on that, right? And that's where I feel like teams have got comfortable with


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's definitely less raw than, than Richardson is. Yeaah. He's definitely ready to play quarterback more. Has things to work on as we know, but...


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[Assistant] He's running to Kansas City from Seattle, like with his no shirt on and chewing gum. Alright, that's what he's doing. I've been having that fun with that joke. Uh, this whole process. Yes.


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[Assistant] I think they've done their due diligence from what I've heard on the subject there. It's a desperate need for their football team. They're not good enough up front.


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[Assistant] They can't hang with the 49ers unless they get better up front. So yes, this is where, if Jalen Carter's on the board here, I totally expect it to be him.


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[Assistant] They've been burned by that before. I don't think that's gonna stop them. They're not afraid of personality up there. In fact, to me, that's the perfect place for the guy.


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[Assistant] Right? They can handle personality. They can handle those type of guys. Uhm, and, and yes, I just think with that, the need for the position makes a lot of sense. Uhm, and, and yeaah, I've been told by some people that I trust that they've really done their homework on Jalen Carter and feel comfortable.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna say I've asked everybody this, but anybody that I've talked about with this, everybody thinks Jalen Carter's the first pick, the best player in the draft. Everybody. I don't...


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[Assistant] I don't think anybody, I don't think I've had it gotten at least into that converse. Everybody that I didn't have that, we all agree he's awesome, right? But the teams and people I've got specifically about it, yeaah. It's like, oh yeaah, Jalen Carter's the best player in the draft. I mean, we know that, right? I mean, it's that, it's that.


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[Assistant] It's this, like I said, when we broke him down, it wasn't like, oh man, this is the top interior. This was like, oh shit, I haven't seen one like this in a while. And I say that, I said that three years ago. Yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Maybe you get lucky and you're the Seattle, somehow the quarterback thing shakes out and Seattle trades down. Some team comes up to get a quarterback. Jalen Carter's there. Your Lions will take Jalen Carter if he's there. So he's not there.


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[Assistant] Ohhhh, our second favorite player, actually our favorite player. The guy we've kind of been saying all along, Devon Witherspoon. There we go.


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[Assistant] I don't know how we wouldn't be. Again, it's a little bit like, you know, we talked, I'm not trying to sit here and pound my chest or think I'm greater. You know, it's a little bit like we talked about with Tyree Wilson and Will Ann. It's one where you watch it and you go, I don't know how you couldn't see it.


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[Assistant] This is not that close to where you go, oh, okay, I understand where, you know, you could see the other side. This is a special player. I mean, this is a guy that's crazy twitchiness, crazy aggression, crazy straight line speed.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, just has it all. Can play off, can play bump. I mean, there's really, there's no weakness to the player. And you guys, of course, were horrible in that department last year. So that'll be a big...


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[Assistant] I would think just the size, maybe. I think that would be the only thing you could really feel comfortable about. Just go, okay, wait, Gonzalez is 6'1", and maybe he'll be a little bit better versus the bigger receivers in football, right? But after that, I don't know where else it would be, you know? Are Gonzalez's mechanics better?


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[Assistant] You know, is he more technical? Yes, but you know my thought on that. That's teachable. And I don't really give a crap. It's like back to our Jeff Akuda thing. The technique was through the roof good.


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[Assistant] Just guys kept catching a ball, but everyone was going, well, look at the technique. Positive grade. That's what he caught the ball. And then it's like the guy with the bad technique, they're like, Oh, negative grade, but he broke up the pass. Oh, they didn't take the right footwork there. Oh, off. Like get the hell out of here. He's going to be the first guy off the border corner.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, this is, you know, this is where it got interesting. I thought about corner with them. I did.


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[Assistant] You know, that was part of the conversation. Was there a, you know, D line? They could use an interior D lineman.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's anybody there that fits the value for them. So that's where I'm going to go to tackle. That's the next thing that made sense to me.


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[Assistant] They don't have another tackle opposite of Colton Miller right now that I think say tried, trued, proven commodity.


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[Assistant] Again, this is New England. It's the McDaniels. They believe in all of us online and big people.


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[Assistant] And I think Paris Johnson tackled from Ohio State would make a lot of sense for them at number seven. Need for their football team. You know, we know they're based around their offense. They're going to run the ball with Josh Jacobs, give Garoppolo time, let him carve you up with some of their weapons. Uh, Paris Johnson, I think is probably the best


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[Assistant] Pass protecting tackle in the draft in a lot of ways, as far as length and footwork.


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[Assistant] You know, you know he wasn't my favorite guy. Uh, but from that standpoint, I think that's where teams really like Paris Johnson.


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[Assistant] I feel like the Raiders will be a little bit more, you know, again, knowing the New England way, the length, they're gonna like length, and Paris Johnson has that.


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[Assistant] Karanski is a guard like you talked about, maybe a right tackle for some teams. He could do that too, but I think ultimately is that guard that's a high level that way. You know, and then.


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[Assistant] Darnell Wright and Broderick Jones. You know, I love Darnell Wright.


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[Assistant] But I understand, like, the arm length and then the foot speed is not gonna be for everybody. But you know me, I talked about that at the time. I'm not as much into that. I think it's a little overrated. I'd rather have the bigger guy, and Darnell Wright was the bigger human. But yea, I think putting myself there...


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[Assistant] I think more of the NFL has Paris Johnson as this top tackle in the draft, right?


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[Assistant] So say you bet $100 on the number one offensive tackle Darnell Wright being the first O-line drafted. If you win, you get $600. If you lose, you still get $100 worth of free


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[Assistant] They love to run the ball, right? They're looking for their Derrick Henry, Arthur Smith came from, right? The Titans, they want their go-to guy. Algier can be a one-two punch. Right. What a better way to support our young quarterback, right? He wasn't played a lot. We got a top tier running back. We got pits. We got Drake London. We got this offensive line. Oh my gosh. Right.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a lot of thought in the NFL that Atlanta is targeting Bijon Robinson. I feel like you're setting me up. I am setting you up. Because I, I believe they are targeting Bijon Robinson. But were they targeting him with the thought that CJ Stroud was still gonna be on the board? I don't think they were gonna expect that. I'm gonna have them go CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] I have a hard time thinking that they thought early on in this process that he would be there for them to take.


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[Assistant] They still have to have questions about Desmond Ritter. You got a guy, a chance here to have a guy that...


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[Assistant] You know, I think also fits the way Arthur Smith wants to play. Stand in the pocket, make big time throws down the field, right? Can be a better version of what like Ryan Tannehill was. When Arthur Smith was in Tennessee. That kind of guy. Great down the field thrower. You know, underrated athlete.


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[Assistant] Not all, you know, it's not often you're at this chance to get that type of quarterback. I'm gonna say they pull the trigger and do it. As much as they like Abidjan Robinson, and I know there's some other positions there that we certainly can get into with Atlanta a little bit.


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[Assistant] I don't, you know, corner was one I thought about. Would Christian Gonzalez be part of the, you know, the conversation there? Um, I, I did think about that, you know, edge pass rusher is another one. You know, I've seen people talk about Nolan Smith, maybe all of that. Uh, I think ultimately I just, I came down to where.


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[Assistant] Having a little feel for that group in there, I just think they won't be able to pass CJ Strad. So, probably three weeks ago.


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[Assistant] I don't know, like, specific details. I know it's a little bit of a personality processing psychological test, right? That's kind of the base parameters. I've never seen it.


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[Assistant] I never really got even into like, asking specifics as far as like, what are the questions on it and how does it go?


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[Assistant] I took some of these tests, you know, when I was coming out. I guess this is the newest, latest version that everybody believes in that's been formulated the right way to...


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[Assistant] You know, people think there's something to the formula and being able to gleam into a second look or a different side of the player that, you know, of course you don't get in person or watching on film.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think it's more of that. Right. It's more...


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[Assistant] By all, I mean, not by all, this is the reason CJ Stroud's falling. I mean...


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[Assistant] You know, like last week we heard like, oh, you know, this started to filter out.


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[Assistant] And I'm not like, I'm not the guy that like stuff filters out and I start calling around like, Hey, what's going on? What's going on? It's just not the way I work. The one I'm not wondering, I'm not here to report news or anything like that.


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[Assistant] But as the week went on, I mean this draft, you know, week and all that, yeaah, it just, I talked to people, and of course as I talked to them, I'd bring this up. And, you know,


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[Assistant] And they're, what they're saying is what's concerning the NFL is that the test isn't predictive always of success, right? But so far it's predicted failure, I guess almost all through and through.


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[Assistant] To where his score is at a point where...


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[Assistant] I guess just about everybody's failed. He'd be the first to be successful. He'd be the first to really be a successful one. And that scares the crap out of people. Now it's early in this test, you know, as far as, you know, the history of it and how much you can really dive down and say, oh, okay, wait, nobody's ever done good on, you know, like how much stock you can put into that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right now that's what's scaring teams. Let alone, I just don't think he was everybody's favorite.


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[Assistant] Right? Like I don't hear the teams I know that were in the quarterback thing. It wasn't like, oh man, we hated CJ Stroud or we don't like him. I just think they liked other people better.


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[Assistant] You know, that's, that's a few of the notes I got from those teams that were in the quarterback conversation. You know, Richardson is like the most pleasant surprise ever.


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[Assistant] Lavis was better than people, you know, thought, I think personally and impersonable and charisma and all that, where I think people thought he might have been a little rigid and maybe insecure going into the process. So all that got proven wrong.


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[Assistant] So I don't know if it's a dislike of CJ shroud other than that score scares people. And then it's more that just, they like some other people, the people a little bit better. So we'll see where that goes, but you know what my thought is on the football field.


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[Assistant] Again, he's up there one and two with a lot of people. I mean, anybody you talk to.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, I mean, he's one and two, but yea, this, it's a conservative group of people like we talk about. You know? Jobs are on the line.


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[Assistant] They have an inkling here that says, wait, when somebody does this, you don't do good. And it's right there. And now your job, so I understand, you know, being scared to do that.


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[Assistant] So that's where you're at. You're going to have to be comfortable with the person, the people that know him, the agent, all that, you know, to overcome that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, who knows? I don't know. Who knows? What I always want to know too is like, who knows what CJ Shroud was, was he having a bad day?


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[Assistant] You know, did he get a bad text message? Did he just say, F this test, I'm sick of taking tests, I'm not gonna take it that serious. You know, there's a lot of things that I wanted to defend him with, uh, either way should not have come out, and that's a low blow bullshit move by the NFL.


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[Assistant] Chris Karonski, Northwestern. Guard, tackle, whatever you want to say there. I think he's more guard. Do some people think he can play, right? Tackle and do that? Yea, they do.


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[Assistant] So we'll see, but either way, I think he goes into the safe for sure thing bet on the offensive line where I could maybe go, there's questions a little bit with all of them in my opinion of the, the tackles that we're talking about. Skoronsky has no questions. You're guaranteed you're going to get a high level guard. You might get a high level right tackle. Okay.


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[Assistant] So that's where I look at it. They need offensive line, right? You know, there's, again, I thought about, hey, could pass rusher be part of the conversation? Is there some D lineman that might be part of the conversation here for them? You know, it crossed my mind.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I think ultimately, no, this is the route they need to go. And I think too, you know, they got some flexibility here between him.


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[Assistant] Uh, Tevin Jenkins, who they drafted a few years ago at Oklahoma State, who I think they want to be their right tackle, right? He played right guard a little bit last year too.


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[Assistant] So, uh, we'll see where this goes, but I just think he is a for sure thing. You talk about a high floor guy, definite high floor, with the potential of a high ceiling and the potential to play different positions that can give you some flexibility at least early on in his career to make it all work here for the Chicago Bears.


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[Assistant] No weaknesses. And this is the team that can say F you. And I think this is the team.


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[Assistant] That takes Bijon Robinson. I'm going there, yeaah. One, I, you know, got pretty good feel that they like him. Bijon Robinson is, I think, universally top five player on most people's board.


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[Assistant] Right? Especially the teams that the least value their money back to a degree.


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[Assistant] Uh, and it's a draft in a year where we've talked about, there's not a lot of superstar football players. He's one of them.


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[Assistant] So, yes, that's where, now again, they're another team. You know, is there an O Lyman maybe for the future in the conversation? Maybe. I don't know. I don't know if I'd want to do that right now. D Lyman, I don't know if there's anybody that fits their need there, right? There's guys like,


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[Assistant] I do think this is the kind of the range where you can start to get into maybe


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[Assistant] I don't even think it's crazy to think Will McDonald or even Lucas Van Ness to start popping up in this area here. Uhm, and they'd be another team that I'd go...


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[Assistant] If our man Jalen Carter somehow is on the board at 6 or 7 or whatever else, I wouldn't be shocked if they tried to make a splash move to go up and get him. Why not? Fletcher Cox is on his last year, right? So, uh, there's a lot of things to go there, but I think Bijon Robinson's just too smart.


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[Assistant] It's not my favorite, but they're a team that, you know, I don't think they...


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[Assistant] They have to worry about some of the factors that other teams do because the team's so well set up, they're ready and man there was a lot of.


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[Assistant] To put more pressure on a football team, uh, I think they're pretty well set up on all line as far as depth. D-line, hey, they can address it a little later in the draft too. They do have another pick in the end of the first


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[Assistant] That I just made up? Oh, uh, uh, yeaah, uh, I, I, I mean, I, I, uh, quarterback's part of the conversation maybe, right? You know, I don't think...


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[Assistant] Vrabel and that group there. Oh, Line could certainly be part of the conversation. I don't think that's crazy to think that as well.


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[Assistant] Corner is another one that comes to mind here with them. And a guy on the edge. You know, they're kind of a team that needs, you know, some retooling in some places here. Right? I'm gonna go with the corner. Past events has been an issue there.


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[Assistant] Right? I'm gonna go with Christian Gonzalez here. I get, I'm gonna go with Christian Gonzalez, put him with Christian Fulton. You know, uh, I know they got some other young players from, from, uh, the draft, you know, last year to help out in that position. But to, to me, you know, Gonzalez has still got great size. He can really run. He's got very good ball skills.


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[Assistant] He's not my favorite corner in the draft, but I know he's valued by a lot of teams as the top one or two corner in the draft for sure. I understand that. I don't think that's crazy. And I think it's a team that, you know,


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[Assistant] With the swing and miss of Caleb Farley a few years ago, uh, they, they, they need a little more talent in this, in this position group right here.


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[Assistant] You know, whether it's trading AJ Brown, you know, Jack Conklin letting him go in free agency, drafting the big tackle from Georgia at the end of the first round. He never plays it down for them.


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[Assistant] Right? It's just, Bud Dupree, big contract, never really even was healthy, but they paid him like he was a superstar pass rusher. There's just...


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[Assistant] If you start to really lay it out, there's, there's one thing after another. Trading for Julio Jones. Oh, we can't even contribute to our team, but we traded away picks for him. You know, got Robert Woods last year. It wasn't even healthy. We traded away picks for him. Like there's just, there's one thing after another. So I can understand why that change was made.


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[Assistant] Great spot. You got a, you know, Bobby Slovic who came from the 49ers. He's gonna know how to do some of the quarterback design run stuff and some of the stuff they were implementing with Lance when they were thinking about going down that road there.


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[Assistant] You know, you got a Davis Mills there, so it's not like we have to throw him out there right away. But it's perfect because like the first day, everybody's gonna go, whoa, he's big. Whoa, his arm's way bigger than Davis Mills. Whoa, he's way faster than Davis Mills. Who cares? He can't read the defense yet, coach. Let's just throw him in there and he'll figure it out as we go along.


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[Assistant] Tell me that's the other aspect too. You know, a lot of people keep talking about Anthony Richardson. Oh, you want him to sit a year. He hasn't played football. He has to play football.


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[Assistant] You gotta ply em, right away. Right away. Put em out. Take your lumps. Do it the right way.


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[Assistant] You know, but I would, I would, that's what I would do. I certainly wouldn't let him sit. But yeah, uh, I'm going Anthony Richardson there. You know, wouldn't surprise me if it was Hendon Hooker maybe too.


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[Assistant] Or maybe even they trade up a few picks here to try to go after Anthony Richardson and they're not comfortable with maybe somebody else eyeing him and before him. Either way, but, uh, I gotta think that the Texans get a quarterback with one of these top two picks here. Hendon Hooker, your number three.


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[Assistant] I, I, I at this point, I feel like it's gonna be Stroud or Richardson. I do. You know, I, you know.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't want to bet on it that they all fall out of the top ten. You think it still could happen that teams like them enough? Yes, I still think it could happen. Of course it's quarterback.


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[Assistant] There's some teams out there that might just go, we gotta get one and we might have to move up, or whatever it is. Uhm, but yeaah, I don't think that's a crazy thought to think that at least one of them fall out of the top ten. To the early teens or eleven or twelve or whatever. Yeaah. You know, I think that's a real possibility.


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[Assistant] You know, there's three ways I think about this. You know, edge rusher, sure. But damn, I mean, you do have Carl Lawson. You drafted, you know, uh, Jermaine Johnson in the first round last year. You got some other guys too that are coming off the edge that are damn good. To where I, I just, you know, I thought about it. I thought about tackle.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, you can look at tackle and go, okay, wait, they got Max Mitchell. I know they like him.


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[Assistant] Someone's phone ringing in there. I hear that in my ear too. Dwayne Brown and Makai Bekton are in the conversation too. Um, Makai Bekton works out of the place my brother and dad work out at. Can somebody turn off the damn iPhone ringing in the background? Is anybody listening to our podcast? No one can hear that.


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[Assistant] I am not going tackle with them. I think it's a very real possibility. I certainly could see that happening, but I'm going Pittsburgh defensive tackle. Kalaja Kancy right here. The Aaron Donald clone. Right. I'm going to bet that they go, you know what, we're going to, we still got McKay Beckton, who was a top three pick.


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[Assistant] Dwayne Brown. Alright, we're gonna do that and we like our, our guy, you know, Max. Max Mitchell, right? I think I got that name right, yea.


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[Assistant] And they're going to go, let's, let's make our defense just elite.


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[Assistant] You know, and it kinda is a lead already, this is kinda F you pick. Uh, but I think he's a perfect fit for their scheme too.


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[Assistant] You know, again, this is the Seattle defense, win a gap, be explosive, shoot through there. That's what Kalajic Kancey is made for. He can be a Michael Bennett-ish type presence for their defense, like Michael Bennett was for the Seahawks back when Robert Solow was the defensive coach up there.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I, of course, I think they're in the trade down conversation. There always are.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, I know a lot of people think corner could be. I don't, I have a hard time thinking corner. I don't have any inside knowledge here, but damn, they got a lot of corners on their roster. Right? And I think they really believe in the two, the young Joneses, the, the one from Arizona state and Marcus Jones, who was the kick returner, pond returner, and nickelback. So, uh, I think they're going to, if they have to stay put,


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[Assistant] I'm going to say they go tackle here. Tackle's a need on their football team. Trent Brown, it's, you know, coming to the end there. Isaiah wins no longer there. They have a need at that position. And so that's where I'm going to have them go. Broderick Jones from Georgia. Broderick Jones, protecting Mack Jones. How many Joneses can


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[Assistant] Seriously, I guess that makes him feel better. More Joneses. They got, they got three Joneses on defense and the secondary. And then...


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[Assistant] Now that'll be just the two Joneses on offense. Is there another Jones on offense? I thought there might have been, but that's pretty impressive, right? Just keeping up with the Joneses up there. You could get a Patriots jersey.


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[Assistant] Oh, I think he's, he might have the greatest potential of all the tackles in this whole draft. I mean, he's got such a body, he's got incredibly long arms, he's got the good feet, all of that. You know, there's some things he needs to work on, but overall, yeaah, he'll be a plug in place.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, one, they got some young defensive guys that I'm sure they're going, wait, they gotta contribute more this year. You know, one, you got Rashawn Garrett coming off injury, Devontae Wyatt, their D tackle from Georgia, who they drafted into the first round. Quay Walker, first round linebacker. Yeah, they gotta play better, right? You know, corner their stack.


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[Assistant] When I look at that, I think their O-Line's pretty good. I mean, maybe they could go O-Line, but I look at it and go, damn, there's a lot of depth and talent there. So it got down to positions for me of really...


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[Assistant] Safety, I know people talk about safety, there's no safety to take at 15 here.


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[Assistant] Tight end is what I kept coming to. You know, and tight end, and that's where I'm gonna go Dalton Kincaid from Utah. Right? I'm a little riskier, cause again, I know there's, there's some teams that the back thing, his back injury is being red flagged, and I don't know how far that could make him fall.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're talking about freak show tight end here. I mean, this guy is, he's special. And, uh, this is a coach who I know values tight ends, being with the Shanahan family, understands the importance of a guy that


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[Assistant] With my offense, I want to run the ball outside zone, do all that stuff, having that tight end to come out of play action, boots, all of that. So that's where I think it's not only a need for their football team, but it's a phenomenal football player. Definitely one of the 15 best players in the draft just has this injury thing. And I think if there's no injury thing, he could have maybe gone on the top 10.


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[Assistant] They did, they, the O line is not perfect. They signed some people at a free agency though. You know, they got Wiley from, from, uh, the Chiefs. Signed him. Got Nick Gates from the Giants. You know, they got some other guys on their O line to where I came away going, you know what, I don't, I didn't feel that they were gonna,


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[Assistant] Defensively, they could use a corner. They can. But also too, I like go like, yea, they could use a corner, but damn, I mean, you know, again, they were the top, they were top three defense in football last year. They're damn good. Right?


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[Assistant] I'm going to go on the offensive side of the ball. I'm going to go to tight end here. That's why I'm going to go Michael Mayer from, from Notre Dame. Your number three. My number three tight end. I'm going to go with him. I know he's a little, I think he's a little high, more highly valued throughout the NFL than my number two tight end who I love.


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[Assistant] And I know there's some others out there that love him too, but I think this is the guy that's more the consensus and because of the Dalton Kinkade injury, I think it's even been boosted a little bit more because here again is he, he's the safe pick, right? You know?


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[Assistant] Hey, we know he can kind of do everything, he's a good run blocker, he's good in the pass game, the floor is high, and the ceiling could possibly be high as well.


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[Assistant] So that's where I look at it. I go, man, you got him. They got that running back, run the ball, always friendly for a young quarterback. Man, Ron Rivera had Greg Olson at one point when he was in Carolina. I know he's a believer in the position.


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[Assistant] You know? So, that's where, uh, I'm gonna come away and go, that's where Michael Mayer comes off the board.


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[Assistant] I do. Yeaah. I, I, I know. I know they're one of those teams that people still are like, they maybe will take a quarterback, but I, I have gotten no inkling from anybody that they're flirting with that conversation.


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[Assistant] Well, Steelers, like, to me it's really pretty easy. You know, I just look at them and go, okay. I mean, they could use a lot of things.


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[Assistant] They really could. They gotta think about upgrading their D-line, right? They're getting older and outdated.


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[Assistant] Right, there is some secondary people you could talk about.


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[Assistant] You know, they lost the Cam Sutton, Edmonds the safety, he moved on, right? But I think ultimately the number one problem we've talked about with their football team the last two or three years is what? O-line, O-line, they can't block, they can't open holes, they don't protect that well. Darnell Wright, Tennessee's gonna fix those problems, you know?


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[Assistant] Again, now this is where, did I think of some other defensive lineman here? You know, maybe a Lucas Van Ness? That kind of guy?


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[Assistant] You know, maybe a Will McDonald. Will McDonald's another guy that too, I'd like to say number 11 to the Titans could have possibly happened with him. I wouldn't be shocked. But going back to the Steelers, yes, they need...


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[Assistant] And Darnell Wright to me can play left or right. It doesn't really matter. Either way, he can start off at right, and I thought he was the best road grading, physically imposing tackle in the draft. He just doesn't have quite the long arms and the quick feet that some of the sexy guys have had over the years.


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[Assistant] You don't see people go around him. And again, you know, Will Anderson, number three pick here. Gosh, he couldn't even sniff hand and hook her against this kid.


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[Assistant] So uhm, there's a lot to like and I think it's a real positional need.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be shocked if he went nine into the Bears, right? I mean, I really wouldn't, so that wouldn't shock me. I mean, even like the, you know, we talked about the Raiders.


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[Assistant] At seven, yeaah, I like Darnell Wright better than Paris. I just, you know, I just think the Raiders would fancy that kind of guy, knowing my work with New England and McDaniel, that they would like that guy more. But yeaah, I, you know, you know who I like, and yes, I think that would be an incredible pick right there, uh, at pick seventeen.


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[Assistant] Oh baby, you ready? I'm ready. I'm not going quarterback. I did think about it. I did. I don't know. Hendon Hooker still on the board, right? Hendon Hooker is, everybody in the NFL loves Hendon Hooker.


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[Assistant] You know? Again, I know a lot of teams is just off film. It was, you know, CJ Stroud and Hendon Hooker were their top two. Right?


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[Assistant] So, but I don't think it's that way. I think you gotta still address the defense.


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[Assistant] Mazie Smith! Maze. Yea. Right, Maze and Blue. Yea, Maze and Blue, Mazie Smith. Mazie Smith, excuse me, yes. Close enough. Mazie Smith, defensive tackle, Michigan. Yes. Our big dancing bear, 330 pounds, 6'5", I mean incredible athlete.


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[Assistant] You're talking about again, I think a team that you don't have in a marquee interior divas alignment.


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[Assistant] Alright, it's a team that I think, hey, it's, you got a lot of the New Orleans old people there. They value big people in the middle. You haven't had that. I don't think you're horrible at that defensive tackle position, but here's a chance to get like a real difference maker. Right? And I guess there's, there's that.


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[Assistant] You know, I did think of Lucas Van Ness here too, cause I was like, whoa, that could be a Dan Campbell, Rick Spielman type of guy, right? Hercules from Iowa. But I don't think that positions is a need. You know, that edge.


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[Assistant] A little bit, yes. Just a little too much. Yes, exactly right. That's what bothered me. Right? Just there was a little too much like, whoa, you're too big to get moved like that there. But through and through, like we said at the time.


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[Assistant] There's rare that you can be that big and that athletic and you get to see plenty of instances of when he does hold his ground and he does dominate people. You're just like, come on, do it more. You can do it more. I know you can. Uh, and that's where I think he, his potential and what he is is why he goes off at 18. 19.


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[Assistant] Supply and demand, big guy. Supply and demand. I mean, this guy's not the number 19 pick in the draft. I mean, he probably should be somewhere between 30 and 40, really. But Anton Harrison, tackle from Oklahoma? Yeah, this is your, you're getting to the end of the first round tackle conversation.


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[Assistant] Tampa Bay needs a freakin' tackle. Badly. So, this is the only guy here that makes sense.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it's, it's Tristan Wirfs or I don't know if they maybe move him to left tackle or they keep him at right and just have this guy play left. Either way, we know this is a real need. Donovan Smith's gone. That's over. You know, and you look at Tampa still, there's still a lot of things to like about their roster.


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[Assistant] And I just didn't think like anything else really matched up as far as value and what they need here more than anything.


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[Assistant] Like I said, I think by most teams he's valued as, you know, one of those guys who can go off the end at the end of the first round. But I think he's going to get a bump up just because of, Hey, there was a run on tackles and there's only a few elite ones or the potential to be elite. And he's one of them.


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[Assistant] They took Jalen Carter. They're gonna go more defensive line here. They're going more defensive to Seahawks. I know they weren't happy with their defensive line last year. I know. I know they weren't. And that's where they're gonna go.


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[Assistant] From Georgia. More Georgia. Yeaah. They're gonna get two Georgia guys. Right? Nolan Smith is, he's got a chance to be...


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[Assistant] You know, a superstar pass rusher. You're Hassan Reddick. He could maybe even be Yvonne Miller. He's got that type of explosive ability, strength for his size, bend around the edge. I mean, he's awesome. Again, I think if he's a little bit bigger and he doesn't have injuries, he's definitely going in the top 10 or 12.


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[Assistant] He's one of those where, again, he might be a little low here. Somebody else might grab him. But as I just kinda went through, I think, uh, this one's the one that makes sense. And again, I thought about quarterback here too. Quarterback, Seahawk, second pick, maybe they could do it, right? But, I know they like Gino, they got something good there.


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[Assistant] Why mess with that formula and what you got?


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[Assistant] Use the pick on something that can help your team out right now. You went to the playoffs, you got a Jalen Carter and this type of guy with DeMarcus Walker. They got free agency too. And you just go, Oh, Seattle could go from being in the cellar on a defense to one of the top defenses in football, just with that talent infusion right there.


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[Assistant] I don't think it's crazy to go, like, Atlanta at 8? Okay? I don't think it's crazy to think...


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[Assistant] If the Texans didn't get a pass rusher, maybe a 12. The Jets would certainly like that type of pass rusher. So those are teams that I think would fit, at least, he'd fit their mold of what they wanted that type of player.


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[Assistant] I mean, they could use a, another interior D-line in my, D-lineman in my opinion, but it's not desperate. You know, they're not desperate at that spot.


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[Assistant] And then two, I want to go like, how many billions are we going to spend on the defenses out of the ball? You know, I mean, we got Boso, we got Khalil Mack, you got Kenneth Murray in the middle linebacker, you got Derwin James at safety, you got J.C. Jackson in the corner, you know, you got, uh, uh, Samuel at the other corner. I mean, damn, I mean,


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[Assistant] That's right. So, it's, it's time to go Justin Herbert's side here. I thought about tight end. I don't know if there's a tight end here that fits the value. I would love Sam Laporta. I think he, I'm, I'm okay with that. You know me. I think Laporta is better than Michael Mayer.


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[Assistant] I think when it comes down to it, they go receiver. They gotta start going in on Justin, I mean, Justin Herbert here. And Zay Flowers is where I'm going. Zay Flowers, he, I mean, you know, like I've said, Jalen Waddle, Kadarius, Tony, Brandon Cooks.


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[Assistant] Whatever, he could be that type of football player. They already got size of receiver, they need some of these weapon guys. They need a guy that can catch a 5 yard pass and go up the sidelines for 30 more yards. They don't have that. They got Mike Williams, he could throw it 40 yards down the sideline and he'll just go up and get it.


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[Assistant] They got Keenan Allen who will run unbelievable routes for 10 and 15 yard gains all day long. They got no guy that can catch a slant, take a reverse, do anything like that, right? They need that. Zay Flowers. He'll be able to run routes, beat people deep, be the reverse speed sweep guy. Uh, I think he makes a lot of sense for the Chargers.


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[Assistant] That's right. I mean, DJ Moore and Jamar Chase, we know they worked out. That's for sure. There's no debate there. They're, they're stars, right? London, I'm with you.


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[Assistant] I think you might have only seen one. I wouldn't be shocked. I don't think it's crazy. You know, but yeaah, I can say it goes from one. The one I don't know, and I haven't talked to anybody who feels this way. The one I do see is, you know, the Addison kid from USC. Jordan Addison.


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[Assistant] I don't know anybody that holds him in that high regard, but I, I see other people's mocks. There must be somebody there talking to this guy I'm gonna hire, uh, up there. I, I, I've yet to talk to that person. We'll see.


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[Assistant] Zayflowers to me, yea, was my favorite guy. I think he's the save one too here. Again, where I, you know, we'll dive into it in a little while.


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[Assistant] But I think Jackson Smith and Jigba, it's a little all over the place with him. And Quentin Johnson, you know, the bigger straight-liner guy, he's not everybody's cup of tea, the kid from TCU, so that's where I think Zay Flowers will be the first guy off the board.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think this is where I got into corner. I think more than not.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a part of me that was thinking maybe receiver, but I mean, damn, they got OBJ abatement and they signed Nelson Aguilar, right? They're Duvernay's there. They got some guys there to where I go, this is not like a desperate need. And of course they got really good tight ends. Um, I D tackle and I thought about that a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I think ultimately I'm going corner and that's where I'm going Deontay Banks, Maryland. Going to a guy that's right around the corner.


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[Assistant] You know, and I'm a little into that. Like your Lions taking, uh, Mazzie Smith, right? I always feel like the team's got a little bit of a, they usually have the in on the schools that are close to their facility, right?


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna say that the Ravens have the in on Deontay Banks. They've done more than their due diligence, let alone he's their type of guy. You know that, you know why, this is why I love this kid.


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[Assistant] I mean, he is in-your-face-mono-we-mono-bring-it type of guy, which is what? Baltimore Raven football. Yeah. So that's where, uh, I see that happening. And, um, yeah, I think it makes, it makes a lot of sense for their football team. And, and I've heard from some people I trust that they're, they're, they're very hot on him.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. There's more. I think even if I went through it even more, there's a lot of that that's gone on through the years with football teams. Alright, so we got the Minnesota Vikings. Cowboys taking CD Lamb, right? I mean, they always take somebody from down there because they got, yeah, they got good connections in those schools. Well, let's keep it going.


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[Assistant] Checking his notes, he's like, wait, did I do that? I literally was like, wait, did I write that down? Did I? Does he have a typo there? He's like, I can justify it. Okay. No, it's not, we're not going that way. No, we're not, but we're going Vikings, pick number 23. Right, yeah. Right? They do need defense, okay?


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[Assistant] I don't know. This could be the kid, Cam Smith from South Carolina or Forbes from Mississippi State. That certainly has crossed my mind there, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, I, I, I thought about like, hey, you know, could a, could a edge guy be a part of the conversation here too?


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[Assistant] Right? I've thought about all of that, but they did get Marcus Davenport in free agency. They do have Zedaria Smith and Daniel Hunter. So I don't see it like where I thought about maybe a Will McDonald or somebody like that.


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[Assistant] You know, the other one was Big D Tackle-ish, right? There's no Dalvin Tomlinson, they lost him. There's only one D Tackle.


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[Assistant] Hended Hooker. Tennessee Titans. Here it is. Yeaah. Going for it.


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[Assistant] You got a quarterback head coach. Offense is important. We all know this is Kirk Cousins last year there.


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[Assistant] I got a chance here to build something with Justin Jefferson. I got a guy here that's ready right now. And then I'm telling you, he's by a lot of people viewed as way higher than the 23rd pick of the draft. That's just, can he get.


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[Assistant] You know, to a team that believes him and needs a quarterback and all that. And I think this is the one that finally just, it was too obvious. Hendon Hooker, Minnesota Vikings.


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[Assistant] But I don't think it's definitive. You know, there was parts of me too that was like, well, you know, maybe, maybe I should do the old, like, uhm, the titans trade up.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, I started to think of like little scenarios like that, right? Even as I was mapping it out. Oh, maybe the Falcons will do it if they didn't take CJ's try. I started to do all of those.


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[Assistant] So, I can see where that happens. Either way, to me, he's got big time starting quarterback potential, and I would want him to have the option of the five years, like we talked about, the fifth year option. So I think ultimately, yes, that's why I'm probably more than 60-40, 70-30 confident that he goes in the first round. Which is why you see that.


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[Assistant] But I look at the damn, the damn Jacksonville Jaguars and go...


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[Assistant] You know, corner, okay, maybe part of the conversation. Alright, I certainly thought about that. Uhm, but more than anything, and I know this just from first hand, they weren't happy with their interior D line play last year.


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[Assistant] Alright. So that's where I'm gonna go with Brian Brazee. They're all aligned. I know they lost Jawan Taylor. They got Walker Little. They got other guys there.


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[Assistant] Right? Corner, I could see maybe being a part of the conversation, right?


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[Assistant] So that, that was a possibility, but Brian Brzee, I felt like he can be, you remember Justin Smith on the 49ers? Oh yea. Right? You know, that GM, Trent Baalke, well he's the GM of the Jaguars now. Right? I, I feel like it's a desperate need for their football team. They need, it's the only part of their team I actually look at and go,


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[Assistant] You know, I know they have Roy Robinson Harris, he's kind of a, uh, edge, like five technique and even as a tackle kind of both. But it's the only part of their team I look at and go, they don't really have a...


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[Assistant] Real good player at that position. And I think again, we're talking about a guy that's 300 plus pounds, that athlete, that quick.


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[Assistant] Alright, wide receiver we know, but I don't think it's anything bad. Like I don't think, so I don't think they're wasting anything on a first round pick here at receiver. There's enough to go around, they got Darren Waller, you know, they got some other guys I think they're confident in. You know, center is definitely one that I thought about here. Okay? But.


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[Assistant] I came away going, I think I had a better chance of...


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[Assistant] They can get another interior alignment or a center in the second round, where the position I'm about to throw up is, I wanna go, you're not gonna get anybody this good. Like,


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[Assistant] In the second round of this position. And that's where I'm going with my corner, DJ Turner from Michigan.


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[Assistant] So that's, I know that's what he believes in. There's a reason they had Marlon Humphrey in those damn corners down there in Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Cause it allows him to do what, you play man to man, I can do crazy shit. You play man to man, I can blitz like crazy, right? So, that, that, to me, there's only one real island corner left. Emmanuel Forbes is good. He's a straight liner, he's tall, and doesn't change direction good. You, you can't say that you're gonna trust him on a corner.


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[Assistant] I mean on the island. Turner's that guy to me. You know, Turner to me is, is, you know me, is my second favorite corner. I like him better than Gonzalez. I think he's got a lot of the DJ Witherspoon type of thing in there. Right? So, I'm gonna go there. Uh, I had a little birdie tell me there was some liking there and I'm gonna go with it too.


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[Assistant] Well, I know some NFL teams have like end of first round grades on them and stuff like that. Yes, I do. And then I gotta feel that, yeah, from somebody I know that


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[Assistant] Talks to some people there in New York. That's what they thought. There was a little bit of a love affair there. So we'll see. I don't know. I could be wrong on that one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, the center conversation, certainly, you know, whether it's John Michael Schmitz or Tipman from Wisconsin, those seem to be the two guys that are consensus first rounders or the guys that could go in the first round of the center position. Uh, I'm going to bet they go with somebody that can make a little bit more of a difference.


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[Assistant] Yep. And this is where I'm gonna go center. I am.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go John Michael Schmitz, right? They need, the center's been an issue. It hasn't been high level play there, right? I mean, I think they're in the process here the last year or two of kind of retooling their offensive line, making it a little younger. Uh, when they were at their best, Ezekiel Elliott's early years there, I mean, they had


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[Assistant] Killers across the board. I mean, across the board. And I think they're...


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[Assistant] You know, gonna try to protect their investment in Dak Prescott that way. Their defense was awesome. We know that.


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[Assistant] I mean, uh, McCarthy made a comment when he took over and Kellen was, I wanna run the ball more, right? So all those things lead me to think that. Tight end was a thought. You know, I don't know.


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[Assistant] I, I just, again, I think Laporta's there. I don't think Laporta from Iowa is viewed as every, from everybody there. So I, I didn't do it as far as that's concerned. Uhm, you know, what was the other position? You know, a D-line I did think about too.


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[Assistant] Do they start thinking about a Lucas Van Ness or a Will McDonald? You know, those are Miles Murphy from Clemson.


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[Assistant] Right? Those type of guys, I could see them thinking about that too, but I also then just got into like, well damn, you did, you had arguably one of the best defenses in football and you had the most fearsome pass rush in football too. Right? So I just want you, they need help in other places. And that's where I went with John Michael Schmitz.


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[Assistant] I think they can. I think this is where they're gonna do it. Right? I don't think there's a de-tackle that, that, you know, makes sense for them here.


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[Assistant] You know, linebacker, I know they lost Tremaine Edmonds has certainly thought about it, but I don't, I don't know if there's one quite worthy. This is maybe where one of them gets overdrafted because of the need a little bit. Like we talked about our top linebackers all being kind of starting at the 35 pick, you know, maybe they go seven, eight spots early because of the need there.


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[Assistant] But I think the receiver finally happens here. Jackson Smith and Jigba, right? Ohio State.


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[Assistant] And as I told you a few minutes ago, Jackson, Jackson Smith and Jigba, there are some teams that are like, Oh no, he's definitely one of the top 15. And then I talked to other teams and go, Oh, we have a top of the second round grade on them. So there's a disconnect in football. Definitely. And then when you add on, you know,


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[Assistant] The underwhelming 40 time and a hamstring issue. Yeaah, he's a little all over the place. It's all over the place. But I just think for, for me here, even with the injury concern, this is perfect.


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[Assistant] For me, and, and who knows where they have them valued, but they need.


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[Assistant] Ooh, watch out. I like that little combination there. You know, I thought about Quentin Johnson, but I wonder why they got Gabe Davis. They kinda already have the big receiver. They need something else. And that's where I ended up going Jackson, Smith and Jigba.


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[Assistant] I think that's cooled off to a degree, but still people love the size, the strength and what he can do after the catch. They love the route running. But then I have other friends that go, he's too slow and he'll never separate from a big time and he can't play outside at all.


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[Assistant] And they're scared that kind of what we said during the time that yeah, okay, he's quick and great with the ball in his hands, but is that going to be really that good in the NFL? Cause yeah, he might make a guy miss and then he'd be running up to, Oh, I'm going to make the second guy miss. Yeah. But the first guy that you made miss already caught you from behind.


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[Assistant] So that's where it's a little all over with him. And then you talk about hamstring issue for a guy that relies on his hamstring.


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[Assistant] That also adds to the all overness, uh, with the player overall. So be interesting to see where he goes. But yeah, I mean, I know, like I saw mocks where the Titans at 11, the Texans at 12, Jackson Smith and Jigva.


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[Assistant] Right? Damn, I think I saw one with the Jets. How many receivers is Aaron Rodgers going to get this year? I mean, everybody. He's got a list of


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[Assistant] I don't think tackle is a part of the conversation here. Alright?


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[Assistant] So, tight end, you know, again, I thought about, alright, you know, if a Michael Mayer were on the board, I'm sure they would take him. I thought about my guy Sam Laporta here. Right?


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[Assistant] He's come up a lot in this podcast. To me, he's the next guy off the board. I know he's liked, but I haven't heard anybody specifically say, ooh, I might take him at the end of round one. So that's where I'm chicken, right? Okay. So I chickened out there, but I, I don't, I wouldn't be mad at that pick. I'm going to go Jameer Gibbs though, Alabama running back.


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[Assistant] This could be trouble for Joe Mixon. It could end up making him the odd man out and getting cut. It could just actually them go, you know, we'll be okay one year. We ride it out with Joe Mixon in the last year of his deal here or whatever. And we got our guy for the future. Gibbs is just so special and just the type of guy that


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[Assistant] Again, look at their team, they're pretty well rounded across the board. I don't know if there's...


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[Assistant] A de-tackle that's worth it there. There definitely isn't in my men. Maybe an edge guy again. Maybe they could get into that conversation. Sam Hubbard.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe they look for his replacement here in a few years, I don't know. But that's, I went into Gibbs going, wait, running back is a need. And you put that damn guy in that west coast offense, right, with that quarterback and those receivers there, and holy shit, they're gonna put you in a bind. I mean, a real, real bind.


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[Assistant] And I think they can get a good tight end in the second round, so that's why they go Jemirga.


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[Assistant] This guy's got shoes for days. He could be a big time difference maker.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's like, if it was no B. John Robinson, we'd all be, it'd be a lot more Jameer Gibb song. A lot more. Because like I said at the time, to me, he's better than Travis Etienne coming out.


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[Assistant] And that says a lot because I think a lot of Travis ATN. So I again, he'd be the kind of guy, I wouldn't be shocked anywhere from 20 to...


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[Assistant] This is the pass rusher from Iowa, defensive tackle, edge guy. You know, he's that kind of mold of what I'm talking, he's that guy.


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[Assistant] Trey Hendrickson, right, who came from New Orleans. Marcus Davenport.


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[Assistant] Cam Jordan, he can play defense end on, you know, first down. We can move, oh wait, it's second and 12, or it's third and 10. We can move him to de-tackle. Nobody can block him on the inside, right? So, they typically have liked these type of guys. This is one guy that I certainly sit here at 29 and go,


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[Assistant] I could be wrong here. He's another one that I know teams in football, some teams look at him as like he's a top, you know.


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[Assistant] Somewhere between 8 and 20. And then I know there's a few other teams that have them a little later in the first round.


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[Assistant] Getting off the ball, can he really threaten the edge as a true edge pass rusher that way? You know, I think the teams that like him aren't going to be valuing that as much as, hey, we think he's good at that, but there's a lot of other stuff that he's really good at too.


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[Assistant] Even though he's not awesome at that, the prototypical edge pass rusher, right? Strong. He's powerful. He's strong. He's powerful. He's versatile, right? He can do a lot of different things schematically, whether it's one gap, two gap at a few different positions too. So I think that's where a team and a guy like Dennis Allen will really value a Lucas van Ness.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I don't think an O-line fits here. And again, their O-line is pretty stacked. I know some people think they might draft an O-lineman for the future or whatever. Right? But I go, damn, I mean,


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[Assistant] They drafted their center of the future last year, and I would think he's gonna be a starting guard with the center they drafted for the future the year before that. And Landon Dickerson, who is the guard, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, tackles are awesome. I don't know. I mean, do we have to have the greatest hole line in the history of football and the greatest backups in the history too? I just don't see it there. I think this is where they protect themselves for the future on the edge a little bit.


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[Assistant] I think this is where they go edge. And I'm gonna go Will McDonnell from Iowa State. And like Lucas Van Ness, this is a guy that I was disappointed I have him going number 30. I really am. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't be shocked if he went off the board at 11 to the Titans.


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[Assistant] The Seahawks at 20, I mean there's a few teams I certainly would say I would not be shocked, right? I think he's...


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[Assistant] Not the sexy media guy, but there's a lot of NFL people that go, this dude's a football player and I want him on my team, right?


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[Assistant] They're, they're, they're, they're at a point too where Brandon Graham one year deal, Derek Barnett on the last year of his deal, Josh Swett, they can get out of their deal, the deal could be over at the end of this year. So this is where I think it's like a future pick, let alone he can add something to the team.


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[Assistant] The Chief's at 31 and I'm going, yeaah, I'm going to the edge again. I am. You know, one with, you know, the tackle situation.


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[Assistant] I, I don't think there's a value there for the guy, alright. Wide receiver. I thought about maybe Quentin Johnson here. Would they do that? I mean, they got some damn good receivers. They're not desperate there. And I feel like they're a team that, like, if they want another receiver, they could take one of the second and probably still get one that can really contribute.


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[Assistant] They're never gonna have that problem. Never. Now, you know, I don't know. Would you like to see that? Sky Moore, Quentin Johnson, Marques Valdez, Scanlon, Kaderius, Tony? I mean, damn, that could be good. But damn, that's a lot of assets in one spot. And I want to go, no, we still need defense alignment.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go Miles Murphy, Clemson here, right? I'm not so sure I shouldn't maybe switch these two. I don't know, Eagles, would they like Miles Murphy over a Will McDonald? I'm not sure. He's more of your traditional pass rusher of Miles Murphy. I'll tell you what. I can see it flip-flopping either way here.


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[Assistant] I, either way, I think it's a very big position need for the Chiefs. I do. When, when you just, Frank Clark's gone. I know they signed Charles Ominyehu from, uh, Ominyehu, I always mess up his name, from the 49ers. He's a good football player, but I don't think he's the answer for the future. They got a chance here.


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[Assistant] To get a guy who's, you know, and Miles Murphy was not my favorite guy, edge rusher, but damn, he's mid-260s, he's athletic and quick as hell.


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[Assistant] He's your good starting defense end for a long, long time. I think he was a little overrated early on in this process, but certainly a starting NFL defense end who could be really damn good. You couple him with Chris Jones and Carl Aftis.


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[Assistant] You know, you talk about the two linebackers they have, and you start to go, oh my gosh, this is some young, talented defensive Chief Scott.


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[Assistant] I know, everyone seems to have him around in the 20s, late teens, kinda where you saw him.


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[Assistant] That I saw anybody like that in, so. Yeah, branch.


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[Assistant] Right, he's one that I think could very easily, uh, Felix Eniduke, right? Okay. He could maybe be an end of the first round type of pick there. So that's somebody to watch for. Uh, but I think we'll see another.


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[Assistant] Move of edge rushers towards the top of the second too. With guys like Byron Young and Derek Hall from Auburn. I think you start to see them go off the board, you know, at the top of the second at some point.


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[Assistant] That's your quarterbacks. You know, there's, I know. I mean, again, Texans go Will Levison number two. That's going to throw things into a tizzy there too. Be interested to see what happens.


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[Assistant] You know, but I was led to believe that, you know, Richardson and Levis were the leaders with the Houston Texans, that they went quarterback. Not to say that they're gonna go quarterback, I don't know that, but that's what I was told, that those were the two top guys. And so CJ Stroud wouldn't even be there for their consideration.


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[Assistant] Wednesday. Wednesday, a little AMA. Hope we all even have some more knowledge of some things. Usually when I- this type of thing gets released.


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[Assistant] Thursday night draft and then on Friday I will be on PFT with Florio live. They're working me to death here at NBC. Me and Ahmed, we're the only two guys that work in the building. Uh, but everybody, you know where to find us. Wednesday we'll be back. Jake Croucher gonna be here with us. That's gonna be awesome. He'll have some great


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[Assistant] Draft prop bets information. Ahmed, you the man. Thanks for holding it down. We did it. Thanks for traveling back from Philly yesterday. Yep. Way to be a soldier, okay? Did it. Alright. Peace out everybody. Be good. Let's enjoy this week. See you Wednesday. Clap it up. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Oh yea baby, that's right. It's getting close. NFL draft time. Yes, I do know there's 31 picks in the first round. Alright, I misspoke and said 32. It still seems weird. It still feels like they should've like de facto just let somebody else move into the first round, right? It's just a number. Like what?


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[Assistant] Okay, so the second round starts at pick 33, like it always does, right? And then we have a team, I don't even understand why not just have 32, but either way the Dolphins are not getting their first round pick because


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[Assistant] Yes, that's right. You heard it here first. They tried to illegally obtain Sean Payton and Tom Brady. We said that over a year ago, and nobody released it to the public until August. Not until like, the powers on ESPN said it, and then everyone was like, oh wait, those idiots on NBC, Sims was actually right.


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[Assistant] Our man, Jay Croucher. Welcome, Jay. I always clap for everything. Thank you, gentlemen. Yep, uh, Jay's here today, uh, courtesy of NBC Sports, Bet MGM. He is the smartest


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[Assistant] Betting person I know in the world. That's my title. Yeaah, that's my official title, NBC.


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[Assistant] So, so how do you approach it? Like, you know, one, you know, how far do your connections go in this world? I mean, I know you have connections with NFL teams, you know, so like how do you kind of assist things? You go a little bit off of other gambling friends, other markets, how does it all work for you?


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[Assistant] Vegas seemed true last year. They were good last year. I don't, for whatever reason, as much as I said this whole year to Ahmed, I'm gonna listen to Vegas this year when it comes out dude. I don't want to listen to them right now. I do think it's different than last year. Just from my sense of people in the NFL that


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[Assistant] There's more variables this year in this draft, and you know, some question marks about some of the top players, and other guys have fallen, and the evaluations have been all over the place, so am I crazy to think that, that it seems more all over the place than other years?


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[Assistant] Well, I think this is what happened, at least in my world of the NFL, and I think I alluded a little of this to Ahmed earlier in the week, or at least last week, because I'm with you. I mean, again, I don't go into personality or knowing the guy when I do my evaluations.


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[Assistant] You know, the things I've heard from people, you know, in the know in the NFL is that yeah, the Texans, there is a huge wanting of Tyree Wilson, but if they went quarterback, it sounds like it's more Levis or, uh, Anthony Richardson. And that's the same for the Colts.


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[Assistant] Where it's those two names are thrown out. This whole testing thing with CJ Stroud is thrown. Everybody's scared of him. Everybody.


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[Assistant] So, that's where, to your point, you're right, the quarterback thing this year, nobody being perfect, Hendon Hookers with the knee, Anthony Richardson raw, projection, Levis, we see the tools, but there's things they gotta work on and it's inconsistent, and I think that makes it even crazier to your point.


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[Assistant] That's what I've been led to believe. Like I told you, I, I had a, a feel that the, you know, the coaching staff, D'Amico, Ryan, they want their Nick Bosa for their defense.


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[Assistant] To me, where I get into the conversation, to me that makes sense. You know, most years like what you said is the logical way. Let's get our quarterback now and we'll address. But here in a year where, again, I don't think there's a perfect quarterback.


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[Assistant] And this is the only perfect pass rusher in the draft.


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[Assistant] I think you take the chance here and get him and go, okay, we got our guy. That's for sure.


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[Assistant] Rather than the other way around of going, wait, we get a quarterback and we go, wait, I don't know who we're going to find as a pass rusher now, right? To where, to your example, you get Tyree now, now we're at pick 12. We got other picks in the second round. If we want to move up to pick 7 or 8 or whatever else to get the quarterback, or maybe one just falls at 12.


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[Assistant] Then they're there sitting pretty, and okay, and uh, I get the sense that that's what's gonna happen too, but, you know, we'll see.


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[Assistant] Oh, I think we all would. Yeah, that's not happening. Two, possibility. Certainly. I still don't buy it. I won't. I don't think Will Levis starts till four, and that's the conversation there. You know. Well, off of that,


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[Assistant] I'm with you now, that coming off, you know, everything into the draft is still all the film related stuff, right? So, and I think there's not much argument there, as I kind of discussed with you a little bit on Monday Omid, it's just that most people I talk to, I mean, slam dunk, film alone, CJ Stroud is definitely one or two.


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[Assistant] Yes, it's the, I'm actually more on the, I think he is going to fall out of the top five. I think, I think just because of, you know, I know how important and we kind of hit on this a little money is these, these personality processing tests, these S2, right, is the famous one out there right now.


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[Assistant] And, you know, as I said on Monday a little bit, they don't predict success, but so far they've been pretty damn good at predicting failure, right? And I think that's, he's got a number, and again, don't shoot me, I'm just a messenger, that


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[Assistant] And I think that scares teams to death, right? You know, NFL teams by most, by nature, you know, some of them, they're conservative anyways. And then they get a number that's like, whoa, it's pretty much 100%. Once you go below this number, it doesn't work. That's, they look at that and go, well, shit, you know.


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[Assistant] Ah, am I going to get fired on something that I know is 100% like going to happen? And that's where I think there's, you know, the risk or the scaredness of


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[Assistant] A mess, it really is. And three is like, yea, the trade, right? And okay, yea, they want to trade down, but the big thing is...


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[Assistant] And that's the one like at plus fourteen hundred, I mean, I'm looking at that right now going, damn, I might just throw some change on that just to see if it hits. And if it hits, wow. Right? I would probably bet the Will Anderson angle. I'm in the, where I'm torn with them and I erred on Will Anderson in my mock draft is just because Jonathan Gannon from Philadelphia, D-line.


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[Assistant] I mean, they just drafted a Georgia deep tackle last year. We know how important that is. They need it, right? And then Monty Austin forward, the GM who's, you know, previously in Tennessee and in New England before that.


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[Assistant] You know, I can see him being scared of a guy like Jalen Carter. And then of course there are a team that's had a lot of off the field dysfunctional crap happen over the last year.


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[Assistant] So where maybe they don't want to risk that and they just want to go, let's go with the safe guy and Will Anderson we know is going to be real good for a long time. Might never be a superstar, but he's going to be real good, right? I don't think he's worth the number three pick, but that's where I, you're right.


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[Assistant] I was told that Seattle, Detroit did their homework on Jalen Carter. If he's on the board, they're taking him. And that's, that's, that'll be interesting to see. But yeah, both, both teams could use it. Certainly. I can't imagine him falling past that. I really can't. If he falls past six.


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[Assistant] That's when I started to get in there, we could start to get into action for Jalen Carter.


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[Assistant] Like, that's where I start to go, uh-oh, he's at seven? And Philadelphia's there at ten? With pick 31? And Fletcher Cox on the last year of his deal? Or, you know, one year deal? That's where I would get scared of teams like that with the multiple picks now trading up to try to, you know, make a move to get them.


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[Assistant] Get the fifth year option. Team that's got a pick early in the second, top half of the second, and maybe has some other assets. Let me get to pick 31.


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[Assistant] Whoever the Chiefs wanted on the board, they felt like they could get them in Day 2. Let's get to pick 31 so we can lock this guy up, have a 5th year option available to us, like we've seen teams do. I think there's a very real possibility that could happen as well. Like somebody can jump into that conversation there.


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[Assistant] You didn't have Johnston in your first round though. He was one of my guys where, you know, and we'll hit on this maybe in a little bit. There was some guys that


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[Assistant] You know, there's four or five guys, Quentin Johnson being one of them, where I went, man, am I really not gonna have him in the first round? Damn, right? But he's on the borderline for me, so yes, he got left out, but I certainly could see him going in those last five, six picks.


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[Assistant] Which I just can't believe. I'm just in shock over the Jordan Addison love. I mean, there's obviously somebody that likes him or two teams that like him. I've yet to talk to somebody who's even throwing them in the top receiver conversation, but you're right. I mean, it's kind of undeniable. It seems like the markets, mock drafts, everybody's kind of got them in there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know. I agree. I don't think he's the best guy either. That's where I would fight back. I think that, you know, our guy like, uh, Zay Flowers has a chance to be a Jalen Waddle-ish guy. That's where I'm interested. Like, yeah, how confident are you in the, you know, Jackson Smith and Jigba market there? Right? Cause like I know teams and I said this on Monday where he, he,


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[Assistant] Despite even the injury concerns, he's not as great at his highly, right?


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[Assistant] I have some other teams that are going, oh, he's definitely going 10 through 20, 10 through 20, 10 through 20, right? But as I told him, I have other teams that go, no, we kind of have the high second round grade on him. I mean, he's a slot only receiver. He ran, you know, a four or five at his pro day, which is kind of looked at as a four, six at the combine. And then you add on the hamstring thing.


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[Assistant] Right? Where, I mean, do you get a feel that the market's confident that he goes in top 15 or 16?


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[Assistant] That's what I kind of thought was how I played it. I know, I just, I wonder if the NFL world will be able to really just pull the trigger on a guy that didn't play.


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[Assistant] Because of a hamstring issue, and you play receiver, and the hamstring's kind of important at that position. That's the other part, I'm just kind of flabbergasted.


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[Assistant] One of my favorite guards, he was our honorable mention, right? Guard? Yeah, guard. I thought he was more of a guard. He played tackle, to your point, but I thought he was a guard when it all said and done, right? Kind of like a Peter Skowronski, a poor man's version of that. But I could see that. You know, if it becomes a run of offensive linemen,


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[Assistant] And we get to a few teams at, you know, the end of the first round and go, wait, we need this. He's going to be the next guy up a little bit like Cole Strange was last year, right? Where it's like, wait,


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, I had him as a second round pick, but a run happened in a line, and he was the next guy up, and New England was like, shit, we have a big gap between him and then the next guy, so we're gonna take him now. Right? And I don't think that's crazy. Again, good old linemen are not easy to find right now. They're not.


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[Assistant] So, so few of them are ready to play in the NFL, and North Dakota State guys have proven they're ready, let alone this guy shows the skill set. When he first said the name,


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[Assistant] How cool would that be? I mean, amazing. I'm rooting for that too. Damn, forget the swag. If someone of the homies...


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[Assistant] And I was like, what's something I could do to just add to the flavor there? No one wants to see me kiss my own butt again or kiss your feet again, so a thousand dollars should wet some people's appetite a little bit.


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[Assistant] This is something I gave Pete. I was just like, you know, I didn't bring this up on the last one. I'd like to bring up some of the names that hurt me, but that I think have, that have first round grades that certainly can go in the first round that, that maybe I, you know, that I'm wrong.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Osiris Torrance, right, from Florida, the big guard, you know, who I said the only guy that pushed him back on any film I ever watched was Jalen Carter. Other than that, he was pretty stand-up. You know, has a lot of the, uh, same traits that the kid at, uhm, that the Texans took last year. They took a guard out of Texas.


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[Assistant] Kenyon Green, way to go Pete, you the man. Yea, very similar to that. So I think he's a guy. We just talked about Quinton Johnston, right, from TCU. I mean, no doubt a guy that, yea, towards the end of the first round, and when I got double my mock I was like, damn, no Quinton, I can't believe I don't have him on there. Alright, so there's another one for you. Matthew Bergeron.


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[Assistant] Our other offensive lineman, we gave him honorable mention. I think he's another guy that could definitely go in that last five to six picks of the first round.


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[Assistant] I think a base of the offensive line, and I know he's, I know from friends that he's viewed in that area. I think he's like, for an example, Bergeron seems like he's a little bit of like last year's Tyler Smith, right? Remember Tyler Smith who the Cowboys drafted? You know, he was one of those guys where it was a little raw tackle.


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[Assistant] But you went, ooh, I see all the traits. And then like the run blocking was insanely good to where you're like, he can definitely play guard, but let's get him in camp. And if he can do some of the technique things, he could play tackle too. And that's what happened, uh, to, to our guy last year, Tyler Smith, who got drafted by the Cowboys. So he's won.


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[Assistant] And I think a team that's looking for a guard or somebody like that, if they do, do in the end of the first round, he could be a guy that goes off the round, uh, off the board. And then Darnell Washington.


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[Assistant] The big tight end from Georgia. You know, he's another one of those guys where on my list of all my first round grades, he was the guy that I have his fringe. I had him 32, 33, somewhere in that type of range. I think there's a very real possibility he goes in the first round too. So those are, there's four names that, you know, jump out to me as can go.


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[Assistant] And, you know, names that, I do want to throw out a name or two that maybe don't go.


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[Assistant] In the first round, that, that I could be wrong. You know, I know my giants with DJ Turner, right? That's certainly a possibility.


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[Assistant] I know I'm higher on him than most. I know there are some that are high on him though in the NFL. Yea, you mocked him too, the Giants corner out of Michigan. Right, right. So, but he could be a guy that ends up being a pick 35 or 36, right? You know what I'm saying? Brian Brzee from Clemson.


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[Assistant] That was one where I definitely had some people text me to go, I don't think Brazil go where you said he'll go. I think he'll end up being towards the top of the second.


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[Assistant] So, those are just some names, uh, that, that, you know, were interesting to me during my process and then even after the process a little bit.


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[Assistant] Jalen Carter and Tyree Wilson are 1-2, right? Your top two guys are defensive players. Definitely. No doubt about it. If I was gonna go off of film, CJ Stroud would be my 3. I understand the...


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[Assistant] And yea, the value of the quarterback is probably even adding to that ranking there a little, but off that, yes. If you, if you would have asked me this, you know, before all these reports came out, if I want to be, you know, honest to you, I think that that's where I'd go. He'd be three. Witherspoon.


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[Assistant] Now, you know, take him off the board there or whatever. Right? That's where...


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[Assistant] Now that next conversation you get into of who you'd put in that tie, that's where it gets interesting.


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[Assistant] You know, that's where you get into, you know, is it a, is it a Peter Skowronski, right? Is it one of the tackles? You know, is it, is it, you know, Dalton Kincaid from Utah would be up in that conversation for me there. Um, but I think that's how I kind of feel as far as that top five. The crazy thing is though, is, is, you know,


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[Assistant] For most, there's not as many top five-ish guys as, you know, at least for where I put it in my brain, right? Top five is like cream of the crop, awesome, like, whoa kind of guys. And like, as soon as you get to five or six here in that kind of exercise, you go, oh, that's a really good player, but I'm not like, whoa, wow, oh my gosh, like you are in some years.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, I think it's gonna be down probably as a whole. I do. I don't know, but there's some guys I look at that go have a real chance. I mean, we know, yeah, the Carters, the Tyrees. There's some guys with real potential to do something here.


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[Assistant] There definitely is. Uhm, so I, I don't think we're gonna be hurting from a sport or that standpoint by any stretch of the imagination. And I think also too, there's some guys that I will say that, you know, I know through the process where


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[Assistant] You know, we had some receivers who were second and third round type guys where I went, man, they got a lot to be like special NFL players. I just.


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[Assistant] Not sure about this one element and how it's gonna transition to the NFL, right? So there's some of that to where, you know, hey, my guy from Tennessee, Byron Young, right? The pass rusher who's, you know, whatever, 250 and ran 4-4 flat.


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[Assistant] Right, there's some things about his game where I go, it won't shock me if he's one of the two best pass rushers in football.


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[Assistant] Oh man. What are you talking here? Yo. 50? Oh, I'm, yeah, probably more than, I guess 50. Probably about that. You're right. I don't even know. You're right. It depends on the size of their belly. I think that's where it is.


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[Assistant] Right, I think there's, alright, two pass rushers right off the bat that I look at to go, yeaah, gonna be in the second round, but have a chance like in a year or two where we go, man, that guy should redraft, he's a top 25 pick, right? Byron Young's one, I'm gonna say. You know, along that position, Derrick Hall from Auburn is another one. Same type of thing.


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[Assistant] You know, those are two guys with incredible talent. Sam Laporta, my Iowa tight end that you know I love, right? I think he's probably a guy that goes to the top part of the second round. I don't think it's crazy to think maybe he sneaks late first if things fall right, but either way he's a guy