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[Assistant] They got nothing up front. They don't have enough big people. They got Chase Vinovich and Dietrich Weiss playing defensive tackle on certain plays because they don't have enough big people.


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[Assistant] You know, they got away with it because the Broncos got a lead and then they could sell out to stop the run because they weren't going to let the Broncos, you know, chew up the clock and do all that. And that helped them do that. But in a, in a real game with a balanced offense like San Francisco this week,


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[Assistant] That's where I worry about the Patriots. Yeaah, I know they'll be able to cover San Francisco.


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[Assistant] How many resources are they going to have to use to stop the Shanahan run game and do all that? That's where it's very scary to me going forward about them and like the Ravens if they had to play them or the Tennessee Titans where I just go, they're going to get blown off the ball five yards back every play and that's something to really watch for with the New England Patriots right now.


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[Assistant] Well, I was just gonna say too, when you play the Patriots, you can't fall into the trap. You gotta keep running the ball. See, that's what Denver did too. They got, oh, all these people at the line of scrimmage, and then...


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[Assistant] You know, that's what they wanted you to do. They wanted the numbers of the run game to scare and then, you know, Drew Lock goes check, check, check. We're gonna pass it now, right? And they'll drop out or they're double teaming and doing some crazy coverage. So they've scared you away from doing what you should do and you can't fall in that trap.


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[Assistant] It's, it's five one-on-ones versus five eligible receivers and


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[Assistant] No, Shanahan, this is where, you know, again, I don't love these types of blitzes and these types of things in this situation, especially for a quarterback and a drop back pass offense that is not hit on, you know, all cylinders here as of late.


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[Assistant] You know, again, why give them the get out of free jail card and just go, oh, hey, whoever's open one on one, just throw it in there and that's it. Oh, wait, the guy tripped and fell as he was trying to touch down. You know, that's where it's very risky with those type of blitzes.


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[Assistant] They got the perfect route called there for George Kittle on 31. And, you know, 31's on an island there.


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[Assistant] So he's gotta respect the outbreak, the in-break, no matter what it is. There was no time where George Kittle did not have the inside leverage there. No, exactly right. He had the inside leverage and then he even pushed him out just a little bit before he broke it in to give him more space and that's where it's scary for a defense because now he's caught the ball with space and now you've got a smaller guy trying to tackle him


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[Assistant] As he's getting his speed going and the guy tries to tackle him and falls off.


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[Assistant] You know, to me, they did some cool things with Jalen Ramsey in the game.


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[Assistant] You know, this is, this is to me like the next piece for the Rams. Cause I did see this in the game where they'll go, hey Jalen, you play man over here.


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[Assistant] And then the other six guys, we're going to play some crazy zone to stop that. That's where I want to see more of that from the road. You can't pay this guy $20 million to just have him dropping into zones and doing stuff like that all game long. He was man up on Kendrick Bourne. Bourne on that play, right, right. Who was also open. Again, I don't care who you are, it's tough to stop.


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[Assistant] If the quarterback has just a little time and you're all out blitzing, it's tough to stop these offenses this day and age in the NFL. But yea, that's a play right there where I'd go, man, you know Kyle Shanahan's gonna call something for George Kittle here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they kind of just go, we're vanilla, we're not going to mess up, we want you just to pat the ball one time when you drop back to pass, because we think by the time you do that second pat, Aaron Donald's going to sack you, and that's the way they want to play.


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[Assistant] No, they're not like, what are they right now? The number four defense in football or something right around there. I'll look it up because I got it right here just to check it out. But yeah, they're the number four defense in football. No, they're not the number four defense in football. Statistically, yes they are. They feasted on the poor a little bit. I mean...


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[Assistant] Again, let's just read it off real quick as I'm sitting here.


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[Assistant] They played the Eagles, the Giants, and Washington who have...


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[Assistant] Three of the most horrible offenses in football. They caught the Cowboys on week one where, yeaah, you know, it's week one, it's not perfect that way.


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[Assistant] And then you saw what Buffalo did to them. Buffalo moved the ball down on the field all over them. So that's what I mean. I don't know, I think they'll continue to be real successful against the middle class and the lower class. I don't know if this is like a dominant, dominant defense.


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[Assistant] You know, they got Shanahan, for lack of a better way to say it. You know, they really did. Jimmy G did some good things, I'm not trying to take away from any of that or anything.


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[Assistant] Yes, definitely healthier, no doubt. I mean, really, very few balls that he threw where I went, ooh, that was off target. I mean, he looked good. He was crisp.


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[Assistant] He's 4-4-4 for 69 yards. And we go to commercial break and everyone goes, Jimmy G's on fire! What?! He threw a screen, a screen, a screen, and a screen! But...


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[Assistant] Doesn't matter. He's still feeling good about it when he walks off the sideline, right? And now the offense feels good. So as a play caller, you've gotten him in rhythm. And the biggest thing is Shanahan has slowed down.


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[Assistant] The Rams front and Aaron Donald and they made him a non-factor and that's what he did all night. Was always a little bit like, hey over here, over here, oh we're going here. Hey over here, over here, oh we're going there. And Aaron Donald, he just wants you to go like, let me go off field and go crazy and I'll get to your quarterback. And he never got into that type of game.


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[Assistant] Well yea, the speed sweeps, all those type of things, but that's the value, that's what they do, and that's fine.


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[Assistant] That's fine. And Jimmy G, you know, again, he doesn't need to be, you know, Mahomes or Rogers or do those type of things. He just needs to execute the offense and there's going to be a handful of throws every game.


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[Assistant] Where yeaah, it won't be easy, but Jimmy G we need you to read it out and make the appropriate read and accurate throw. And he did that in the game too for the most part.


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[Assistant] Or they didn't get all their usual dink and dunks because the 49ers and Robert Sala and Shanahan knew how to stop that stuff. They did. You know? Yeaah, I think...


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[Assistant] I think that between last year's meetings and everything like that they realized like some of their speed sweeps and their fake speed sweep run game and bootlegs off of it that the 49ers were pretty well schooled on some of it and


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[Assistant] They realized it wasn't going to be there. You know, the 49ers are very, very fast at the second level with their linebackers and safeties. And, you know, they've seen enough and Shanahan of course knows McVeigh and knows kind of the intricacies of the offense to where they're coached up and schooled up that way.


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[Assistant] Where, that was the key to their, you could tell their game plan. It was basically like,


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[Assistant] Let's stop all the McVeigh bullcrap and let's see if they can just beat us straight up. And that's where, again, I'll question the Rams all year long until proven otherwise. You know?


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[Assistant] He was leading league, and he was leading football in yards per completion, right? For a while, Jared Goff. I know like going into last week, he was right at the top of football. But I bet you his intended air yards were very low. Bootleg in the flat, screen in the flat, bootleg, you know, 8-yard crosser. Okay, all those, and then people run after the catch.


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[Assistant] That stuff was taken away and that's the most underwhelming thing about the Rams offense again is their drop back pass offense. It really is. That's one thing where I'm just not sold. He's not the best as far as a drop back thrower and decision maker all the time.


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[Assistant] And if there's a weakness to me to McVeigh's offensive genius, that would be that too. I, I do think it's kind of basic at times, uh, what they do on that side of the ball.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know if everybody's gonna be able to do that, like what the 49ers do. It does take a special, you know, the 49ers...


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[Assistant] You know, they're a little healthier on their defensive line. It's still a pretty damn good defensive line. It'd be great if they get default back at some point or anything like that. Still a lot of good players.


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[Assistant] Very fast at the second level. Jaquiski Tart is usually at the second level. He's a very good safety slash linebacker hybrid type of guy as well. It takes that type of team to stop all that misdirection and stuff like that. And, you know, to the other thing too, with the rams,


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[Assistant] You know, I know they got their run game going, but that was after the 49ers got a lead, and I think a little bit like, okay, we're not gonna let any big passes screw us now, so we might give you some of these runs. Now we'll let you run. Now we'll let you run. But the Rams in general too, you know, just to look at it like, you know, the offensive line is good. It's better than it was last year, but it's not great. It's not great.


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[Assistant] And I think you've seen that with the 49ers with a pretty good defensive line, the giants who have a big run stopping defensive line gave them issues too. And that's where I just look at the Rams and go, yeah, I think they're a little overrated on defense.


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[Assistant] And if McVeigh can't get some of his bootleg play action magic working, their offense really struggles to find other ways to move the ball, and that's where I would worry about them going forward.


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[Assistant] I mean, if they could get Richard Sherman back in Verret, I mean, one of the biggest issues the week before against the Dolphins was...


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[Assistant] You know, the rookie, who I'm forgetting his name, number 47, had a play out there because Verret couldn't go, and they just, they tortured him. I mean, they torched him. It was just torch, torch, torch, torch, torch.


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[Assistant] So where, yeaah, uh, is it Taylor? Is that what it is? Jamar Taylor, that's right. So, but if they can get, you know, Verrett and Sherman out there again,


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[Assistant] You know, that gives them the ability to play a little man every now and then and take away some of those routes outside. I mean, Jason Verrett, his ability to change directions and do all that is as good as anybody in football.


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[Assistant] I mean, and was gonna be a superstar. I mean, he really was. I mean, it's just, that's the unfortunate thing about football. But yea, they need him. They really do. Because again, their front four is not the same as last year.


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[Assistant] They need to do a little different stuff on the backside every now and then just to keep teams honest. And that's where Sala I thought was amazing. Sala had a beat on McVeigh's offense. You know, again it was one of those games, hard for me to explain, I'd love to show everybody on a chalkboard or film or anything like that, but


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[Assistant] When they got into Oh It's Third Nate and the Rams got to drop back and pass, he always had everybody dropping right in the right areas to where, you know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is, I think it's close. I do. If the 49ers are healthy, I think I would go 6-4.


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[Assistant] I don't know what to think of the 49ers a little right now. I think the 49ers will start to see a better football team from here on out. You know, just it was a weird two week stretch.


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[Assistant] Eagles game wasn't that bad. It was just one player that was horrible in Nick Mullins.


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[Assistant] Now the next game was an overreaction, maybe panic, whatever, let's start Jimmy Garoppolo because Nick Mullins was so bad, and I think the team got caught sleeping against a team they thought they were better than, and they came in with a good game plan and everything like that and just took advantage of it.


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[Assistant] So that threw you off kilter a little bit, but I think the thing I have to keep reminding myself is going, wait, wait, wait, the team didn't play that bad against Philadelphia. Stop. It was one guy. It was one guy. So this team is still, I think, closer to what we thought they were as compared to what we saw in the Dolphins game.


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[Assistant] I always get dumb with these and like, I'm still looking at my notes cause I feel like I'm like, man I missed something.


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[Assistant] I had Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard, okay. It's a close one between him and Evan Ingram, but I would probably take Goddard too. Yes, I agree with that. You know, most people don't realize Goddard's the best tight end on the Eagles. I think that's why you're not going to see a new contract for Ertz. It's because they go, wait, he's the second best tight end on our team. We're not going to give him top five tight end money.


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[Assistant] Well, he's a movable up front. I mean, we just talked about the Giants a little bit. They got some big people. And Tomlinson, yea, from Alabama, he knows how to crawl, you know, cause a mosh pit in the center there.


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[Assistant] No, it's, it's, you know, you're right. I mean, I'm just sitting here, like, Demarcus Lawrence has been a little underwhelming this year. But I don't know if there's anybody in Philadelphia right now that necessarily knocks it out of the park. You know, Ryan Kerrigan had his game or two.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think I can, I can get behind that. I mean, you know, Demarcus Lawrence is still a real good player. I just get, sometimes, I want more.


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, he is, he can run, you know, old Seattle guy that they, uh, that was up there for a long, I think Pierre Lewis might have been in Seattle and Kansas City before he was in Washington.


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[Assistant] Okay, so you're taking him over Jalen Smith. Yeah, he has had a rough year. Well, of course he's had a rough year. I mean, who knows? It's hard to look good as a linebacker in the Dallas Cowboys right now. Philadelphia's certainly got no middle linebacker. Totally agree with you with Blake Martinez. He's having an unreal year.


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[Assistant] I'm still mad I didn't put Terry McLaurin and DK Metcalf on my top 10 receivers list. I just chickened out. I think I've told you that before, but yes, McLaurin.


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[Assistant] Is one of the great weapons in all of football. There's certainly no receiver on Philadelphia we're gonna put there. No. I mean, Fogum, as much as I love him right now and all the things he's doing, but no, and Darius Slayton's a game changer too. I like Slayton a lot. I thought, you know,


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[Assistant] I told Mike today, I think I would put the Seahawks five and put the four AFC teams at one, two, three, four. That would probably be mine.


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[Assistant] Where I'd probably, I'd probably no matter what right now probably go Chiefs 1, Titans 2, Steelers 3, Ravens 4, Seahawks 5, and then I might put the Packer, I mean the Buccaneer 6 really.


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[Assistant] Or at least one pass rusher. The middle linebackers are overwhelmingly good there. Yeah. And I don't, you know, your corners...


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[Assistant] Darius Slay is the really only shut down guy. Bradbury's been very good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess, I guess I'd look at it that way. But I'm still gonna say they would be the number one team in that power ranking.


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[Assistant] The, if the, each division team should have a home playoff game, or would you like, like, if the, you know, if there's a division team that's 8 and 8, and then some wild card team that's 12 and 4, do you think they should let the 12 and 4 team host the 8 and 8 team? I think they should have a rule, that if you do not have a winning record, you cannot host a playoff game. Okay, but what if it's like 9 and 7, and now the other team's 12 and 4?


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[Assistant] If you were, if you, if, if the team that was the wild card team has a two game lead on you in the standings, then they should get home. If it's just one game, then okay, or a tie, then of course the division winner gets it. But if it's two,


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[Assistant] Alright, that, yeah, like you're saying, you could be in the NFC West this year, and, you know, you played the NFC West, and we gotta play these other teams, and we ended up 10 and 6, and we won our division, and what, we have to go on a wild card game to some team that was 11 and 5? Yeah. You know, who played some Cupcake schedule? That's not fair.


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[Assistant] Right, or I'll take two years ago. The Chargers had a better record than the Patriots. Right?


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[Assistant] The Patriots wipe the floor with them in the divisional playoff game.


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[Assistant] So that's the perfect example. New England played a much tougher schedule that year, was a much better football team, and okay, yes, the Chargers had the better record, but we saw who really was the better football team. So it doesn't always mean that. I'm with you there. I think that's the rule it should be.


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[Assistant] You like my rule? I think yours way is the best way and the simplest to say it.


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[Assistant] If you don't finish with a winning record, you can't host a game. Playoff game. And 500, are we counting that as winning or is that just down the middle?


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[Assistant] Listen, you made me bet money right now. I mean, on the NFC East, I'm taking the Eagles all day long. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Definitely. Well, hey, again, I said last week, and you're right, I mean, Andy Dalton, it wasn't good, but...


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[Assistant] I mean, and we said this all through the spring and everything. Like for the people out there in the summer and everything, we're going, we should just let Andy Dalton be the starter and just go from that. We'll be fine. No, you wouldn't have been. I hope that at least proved that to you. And I know that was his first game in a while and he'll be better.


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[Assistant] He's not Dak Prescott. That is for sure. Dak Prescott


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[Assistant] You know, it's just there's no sexiness to his game. He doesn't throw it a cool way. So people don't want to buy into it. But the results are always like 40 yard completion, 50 yard completion, ran over a guy for a touchdown. You know, so it's not sexy Mahomes or Kyler Murray, but it's really damn good and effective.


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[Assistant] Good show. I got tomorrow, I got the PFTPM, Chris Sims on Button, uh, Megapix Podcast, right? We'll pick the games that way. And then you'll be back in next week. It's this usual formula for everybody out there. Monday.


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[Assistant] PFTPM, Chris Sims on ButtonJoint, Megapix Podcast, week 6, off we go. Chris, I did not change out of my Liverpool kit. It really was a whirlwind, let me tell you, for the last hour. A lot going on in the NFL, getting our arms around a


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[Assistant] Oh no. We both, you know what, we both sucked last week. Nine to five straight up.


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[Assistant] Nine to five straight up. I was seven and seven against the spread. You were five and nine. That's due the opposite territory. Best bets. Oh no. My record is starting to collapse. I was one and two. You were two and one.


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[Assistant] This season is a win if we just get the season in.


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[Assistant] At this point, I just want to get the season in. I don't care if I'm not right about another single game the rest of the year. Let's just get the season in. Let's get the show in. All odds provided by points bet. The new official sports betting partner of NBC Sports. Let's get right to it. One o'clock Eastern games and let's begin.


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[Assistant] In Carolina, where the line has moved. It was three at one point. Now the Panthers favored by one and a half against the four and one Chicago Bears. Chris, lead us off. Who do you like and why?


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[Assistant] But a different outcome. And I need some of these. I need to carve into that seven game spread that you have already through only five weeks in straight up. So,


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[Assistant] Let's go Bears! 20-17, I like the Bears to win this game. I keep having flashbacks to last Thursday night, as I'm sure Tom Brady does, of Khalil Mack.


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[Assistant] Just constantly in the backfield. I don't know that Teddy Bridgewater can handle that and I know he's shown some


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[Assistant] This just feels like it's time for a correction for the Carolina Panthers. And, and look, I know people look at the Bears and say, how in the hell are they four and one? I think they're going to get better as Nick Foles gets more comfortable in the offense. I think they build a lot of confidence in what they did last week. And the funny thing about Nick Foles,


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[Assistant] He really does have the demeanor when things are going well of a guy who is aware that it's not gonna last, so let's hurry up and keep it going before it stops. Like I don't know when it's gonna stop, I don't know when it's gonna come back, but I'm feeling it right now, so let's get to the line and let's call the next play because


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[Assistant] I-I'm making it happen and they're trying to get to the point where they can make it happen offensively.


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[Assistant] More often, but I think the Bears came out of that win last Thursday night.


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[Assistant] Over Tom Brady with a ton of confidence. And I really do believe.


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[Assistant] Chris, at the time where we're seeing, you know, the Titans get motivation and the fact that people are pointing out that they have a COVID-19 outbreak, I think the Bears are going to be pissed off. I think they're going to be pissed off at their underdogs in this game, even though the line's moving and who knows where it'll be by Sunday. I think that they feel like they're not being respected and Matt Nagy should know how to push the buttons of his team to get them to respond the right way.


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[Assistant] That's one of the great one o'clock Eastern games this weekend. There aren't many. There are plenty of not great ones. We're gonna motor through a few of them right now. Let's start with the bangles, as you would say, at Indianapolis. Colts an eight point favorite. Who you got?


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[Assistant] And I hope he doesn't get injured. He takes a lot of hits. And I just see DeForest Buckner doing against the Bengals what he was unable to do against the Browns, which is blow up the middle of the line and get in the quarterback's face. 24 to 10 is the score that I will go with.


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[Assistant] Alright, next up, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, Jacksonville, setting a record by


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[Assistant] Losing to winless teams for four straight weeks, which they've done week two, week three, week four, week five. The Lions aren't winless, but they feel like they're winless. Three point favorites at home, two weeks to get ready for the game. Who do you like in Jacksonville?


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[Assistant] I got the Lions covering by one point. I am gonna go with the Lions 24-17. I think it'll be a little lower scoring than you do. This one just feels like, this is one of those gut feeling, get right games for the Lions. Especially at a time when coaches are getting fired.


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[Assistant] By teams like the Texans and the Falcons and are the Lions next if they would lose to the Jaguars, I think Matt Patricia would have to be very concerned about what could happen next.


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[Assistant] But they're coming out of their body. They got two weeks to get ready. They're only given three points to the Jaguars. I think they should be able to win this game by at least the three 24 17 is what I am going with the next game, Chris.


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[Assistant] May not happen or it may happen on Tuesday night. Who knows for the second straight week we could have a Tuesday night game. Monday night's already spoken for with two games. I don't want three games on Monday. I don't want five o'clock Eastern on Monday to become a one o'clock Eastern on Sunday where we got seven games in there. So let's go Tuesday night. If Falcons Vikings gets postponed, if it gets postponed beyond Tuesday night, then


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[Assistant] You have the challenge of finding a way to reconfigure the remaining schedule to get the game filled in the current 17 week slate. Right now it's Vikings minus four. Who do you have if they play that game?


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[Assistant] Line has moved from three and a half to four. I like the Vikings in this one, 31 to 20. This one's feeling like a best bet. We may have to do an alternate backup best bet in the event that this game isn't played. That's something we'll have to figure out later in the program. For now though, I really like the Vikings in this one. If they don't win this one, they're done. It's over.


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[Assistant] And I don't think Mike Zimmer is gonna let that happen. Even with Dalvin Cook likely to be out, Alexander Madison, unless it's fourth and short and he's got...


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[Assistant] A hole that you could land a plane into is right. You don't have to worry about Madison. He's gonna gain his yards. He's got a great per attempt average. He's...


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[Assistant] Almost as good as Dalvin Cook, although most think Cook would have converted that fourth and short to win the game. The Vikings are better than the record suggests.


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[Assistant] The Falcons are exactly what their record would suggest, and I don't see the artificial interim head coach bump.


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[Assistant] I think this COVID stuff is going to create a distraction. They're already shut down for today. They're not going to be ready. They just don't care. I think the Vikings should win this one easily and there's a chance it could be a blowout. I'll go 31 20. All right. Broncos at the Patriots, the makeup game.


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[Assistant] From week five it was going to be Monday night, then it's not played at all. They have to reschedule seven total games just to bump it by a week.


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[Assistant] Cam Newton is back. Drew Locke is expected to be back. The Broncos and the Patriots. Patriots the better team. 10 point favorites. Who do you like?


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[Assistant] I don't think that Melvin Gordon will be disciplined by the Broncos. No? Look, this is a league matter, and this is typically something that gets handled


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[Assistant] After it's all resolved, and if the Broncos try to discipline him now, that cuts out the ability of the league to do it later. I, I don't think the Broncos are going to do anything now. They could deactivate him. They could, they could not use him as much. It could be a Philip Lindsay day. I just don't think it matters either way without Melvin Gordon. I think the Patriots are


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[Assistant] I'm frustrated by the fact that they're 2 and 2 based upon the way they've played overall. Look at what they did.


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[Assistant] Washington at the Giants. Washington one and four with a four game losing streak. Giants 0 and 5. The teams typically are behind at the half. Maybe they'll be tied at the half in this one. Lowest over under the week at 42 and a half as well. Kyle Allen, likely quarterback.


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[Assistant] For Washington, Daniel Jones, still the guy for the Giants without Saquon Barkley. Who do you like, Chris?


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[Assistant] Wow. Let me tell you something, because 20 to 14, I mean, it's not an uncommon score, but it's not a score that you just think of. Like it would be 21-14, right? Or, it's just, I got 20 to 14 as well.


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[Assistant] Washington, Washington 20 to 14. The Giants are three point favorites in this one, which is just kind of strange to me. They played the Cowboys tough, but I just, there's just something missing with that team. And I don't think they get it back, even though this is one of the few games on the schedule that they should have a chance to win.


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[Assistant] I think Washington gets it done because Washington's still very much alive in the


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[Assistant] They go to Philadelphia where they're only a seven and a half point favorite against an Eagles team that didn't all that good. I was a little surprised by this spread, Chris. Yeah. Tell me why, tell me why and by how many points the Ravens are going to win. Well, yeah, I, I,


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[Assistant] We both have the same thought here, and look, the, you know,


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[Assistant] The Ravens have taken care of business in the games where they're supposed to take care of business. They don't screw around. They put the pedal to the metal. They're worried about


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[Assistant] So I'm not ready to say that this is a team that's gonna do anything other than handle a team that it should beat easily 34 to 20 and it could be worse than that. Alright. This is the game of the early.


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[Assistant] Maybe one of the great games of the day, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, an old rivalry.


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[Assistant] A rivalry that the Steelers typically get the better of. The Steelers three-point favorites at home. That means on a neutral site it would be a push. And I don't know that I would call it a push, because I think right now the Browns may be the better team. We just can't look past the uniforms. And, and, you know, if you, and, and really that's the key here. If you take all the players on


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[Assistant] Browns and put them in black and gold and you take all the Steelers players and put them in Browns uniforms.


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[Assistant] I think we would believe that the Steelers would win by a touchdown. I think that the Steelers right now are somewhat lesser than the Browns from a talent standpoint. I'm gonna let you lead off though.


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[Assistant] I hate that feeling of I should have seen it coming and I didn't have the guts to call my shot. And look, my concern with the Browns is this, like you said, are they going to be able to run against Pittsburgh? The other thing is Baker Mayfield going to be able to buy enough time, you know, when you watch him play.


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[Assistant] If the offensive line is getting its job done, he can do the rollouts, he can move around, he can slide the pocket, he can make things happen, but if they're not...


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[Assistant] Through them the way he ran the ball through the Cowboys on that play where everyone in a


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[Assistant] In a silver helmet with a blue star was loafing. Yeaah. But to, to me...


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[Assistant] They haven't had the killer instinct. Look at what they did letting the Eagles back into the game. I just don't think this, they may get there and this may be the game where it breaks open. This may be the one where we say, wow, okay, just like with the Titans last week, the Titans kind of screwed around with three lesser teams before they dropped the hammer on the Bills. I just think this is one where


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[Assistant] That history of the Browns being so bad is gonna be hard for the Steelers to overcome until they lose to the Browns once. Next time around? Next time around?


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[Assistant] The Steelers may view the Browns differently, but I just think that for me that's the difference. You look across the field at those orange helmets, you see a team that has been pathetic.


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[Assistant] How do you get yourself properly motivated to do everything you have to do? To dot every i, cross every t, study every f- you don't view them as a threat.


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[Assistant] The Titans, there was no line at first, now the Titans are three point favorites, hosting the Texans.


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[Assistant] On a short week after pulverizing the Bills, this one screams out best bet to me a little bit with the Titans only giving three points. Chris, let me go ahead and do this one first, because it's simple. Titans 30, Texans 13. I think the Texans got a little bit of that Romeo Crenel interim head coach thing going for them. End of the day, Titans are just a better team.


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[Assistant] Titan should be able to win the game. Titan should be able to cover the spread.


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[Assistant] And you squander what you did Tuesday night if you follow it up by


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[Assistant] What would you say? Crapping the bed while crapping down their legs against a team like the Texans. You, you, you undermine everything you did Tuesday night if you don't follow it up by beating the Texans. Next week against the Steelers, different story. This week against the Texans team that's been overmatched in every game but one. I just, I don't think that


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[Assistant] The Titans are gonna let that happen, uh, because they know that that'll cause everyone to look at Tuesday night and say, well, I guess it was a fluke.


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[Assistant] Guys in the early games, we disagree on two straight up picks, which gives me a chance to trim that margin down or to find myself deeper in Chris's rearview mirror. Let's take a break. When we return, the Sunday afternoon games.


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[Assistant] Hardly a Bay of Pigs when you've got two goats involved, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. One of the great games of the week, we'll talk about that. And more late Sunday games when PFTPM and Chris Simms on bot. Continue right now.


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[Assistant] Time slots. Alright, live at 4pm Eastern or 425 depending upon when the kickoff is on Sunday.


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[Assistant] Oh boy, Jets and Dolphins. Who wants to watch that? This is the whole New York market thing. Gotta have the Giants early and the Jets late and nobody's watching in New York anyway because both teams suck.


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[Assistant] 0 and 10 combined. Jets play the Dolphins. The Dolphins favorite for the first time in the Brian Flores era for good reason. They're playing the Jets. And they're 9 and a half point favorites at home against New York. Chris, who do you like and why?


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[Assistant] Look, I'm gonna thread the needle on this one. It's a big needle. But here's my, here's my thinking. Very simple. The Jets are down to four chances.


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[Assistant] Best chance for the Jets to get a win. I don't think they will, but you know, Gase going back to Miami, that still holds a little something for him because he's salty about what happened there with Steven Ross firing him.


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[Assistant] I think they're gonna muster enough to make it interesting, and I'm always worried about FitzMagic toggling back to FitzTragic. You never know when that switch is gonna flip.


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[Assistant] I just think enough factors come together that the Jets keep this one close.


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[Assistant] But they keep it close. They cover the nine and a half points. I've got Dolphins 24, Jets 20. The Jets continue toward 0 and 9 at the bye. But at least they don't get embarrassed for a change. That's, that's my, and I don't know how strongly I feel about it.


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[Assistant] But this is another one of those gut feelings. I'd rather be wrong this way because I just feel like the Jets are gonna muster something because they know what's coming the next three weeks after that.


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[Assistant] Alright, Green Bay, a one point favorite on the road against hashtag Tommy. Oh boy, it's gotta hurt. It's gotta hurt Tom Brady to be a home underdog. It's gotta give him a little motivation on top of the whole


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[Assistant] Four finger thing from last week and all the criticism he took from that. But Aaron Rodgers has plenty of motivation too, Chris, because


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[Assistant] He's the better quarterback than Tom Brady. And it's Tom Brady who spent 20 years in New England that has the six rings and it's Aaron Rodgers with no help around him. I'm, I'm completely, I'm preaching to the choir here. These are all the things you say. I've been converted. I am an Aaron Rodgers fan boy. Oh, Aaron Rodgers. Who do you like? Well,


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[Assistant] You know, there's something about the Buccaneers that nags at me. It just bothers me. What is it? It gnaws. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And, and I, I'm a big Bruce Arians guy. Yeah. But, I just- Yeah, they're kind of annoying lately.


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[Assistant] I agree. I don't know. Yeah, I, I don't, there's just something there that's missing. Something's not firing on all cylinders, you know? And, and I don't know if Arians is overdelegating to his assistants.


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[Assistant] I just, I feel like it's just not clicking. And at what point do we say it needs to be clicking? I get the whole no pre-season. I get that. No off-season program. I understand. At some point though,


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[Assistant] It needs to really fall together. And when it fell apart in prime time against the Bears team, they should have beaten. That's what gave me concern. We see the chippiness.


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[Assistant] That they don't need with the Packers coming to town. So I think this is the kind of thing where


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[Assistant] The Packers could knock the Buccaneers wobbly early.


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[Assistant] 3427. All I need is a 7 point margin. The Packers are favored by one. I'll take that and run with it, but I think the Packers


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[Assistant] This afternoon in Tampa is gonna mean as much to him as it would going back to Tampa in February and winning the Super Bowl because this is his chance, the closest thing to apples to apples you're gonna get with the GOAT. This is Roger's chance to really step up and show that he's got it.


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[Assistant] And he's always been a better overall passer, a better and more mobile player than Tom Brady. And I think that motivation, we see how it doesn't mess with Aaron Rodgers. He takes that kind of stuff and elevates his game. Others maybe get a little too emotional.


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[Assistant] I don't think Rogers will. I think they're gonna win, and I think they're gonna win by seven. And, uh, this is another one of those. If I'm gonna be wrong, I'd rather be wrong, relying on your guy.


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[Assistant] Who I am now a bigger fan of. Because I believe in him more than you do. Aaron Rodgers gets it done.


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[Assistant] All right, Rams 49ers, Sunday Night Football, not nearly, not nearly the 49ers team we thought they would be. They're beginning a seven game death march with the Rams coming to town. The Rams, the unofficial NFC East champions. Those are the only four victories the Rams have mustered this year out of five games. They lost to the Bills in week three.


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[Assistant] Three and a half point favorites are the Rams in San Francisco for good reason. The 49ers are 0 and 3 at home. Chris, who do you like and why?


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[Assistant] Whoever is playing quarterback and, uh, I, I, there's not much more to say. Right now the 49ers are falling apart and the Rams, this is their chance to show that they aren't just the best team in the NFC East. They're one of the best teams in the NFC West too. Alright, quick break. Monday night double header.


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[Assistant] Alright, another Monday night double header. One of the realities of the pandemic. Hopefully it's something the NFL decides. Maybe we should do it more often once the world gets back to normal. Chiefs and Bills, both desperate to get back to normal after losing in Week 5. Chris, who do you like and why in the early game?


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[Assistant] You know, extra time for the Chiefs to prepare a short week for the Bills. I think the Chiefs losing is a wake up call. I think the Bills losing in the way they lost is a


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[Assistant] Maybe we aren't that good call, and I think it gets exacerbated on Monday night. When you get the full focus of the chiefs, you have a problem. The bills are going to have the full focus of the chiefs.


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[Assistant] And you've got that whole Andy Reid Sean McDermott dynamic where Reid fired McDermott. And I think, I think Reid understands McDermott's defense far better than maybe McDermott does. And I think that the Chiefs will rise up and get this done. I've got 31-24, the Chiefs given three and a half. We both like them to win. We both like them to cover the late game on Monday.


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[Assistant] Cardinals at the Cowboys, Arizona. Weird to see one and a half point favorite on the road against Dallas. But right now the Cardinals are a better team, Chris. How many do you think they win by?


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[Assistant] 27 for the Cardinals, but 20 for the Cowboys. I think Kyle Murray coming back to Texas is going to be a factor. And I look at the Mike Nolan defense, they give up 31 points.


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[Assistant] I don't think Nolan, I don't think the players are gonna be able to get their arms around Kyler Murray. I think the Cardinals win that one. So we disagree on four games.


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[Assistant] My first one is the Vikings giving four points to the Falcons or whatever the spread currently is. I'm gonna have a fallback. I'm gonna have a fourth one at the end in the event Vikings Falcons isn't played, but give me the Vikings covering the spread over the Falcons. What do you got next?


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[Assistant] Just to make things interesting, I'm not going to make the Titans my third one. I was going to. The Titans are going to be my fallback in the event that Vikings-Falcons isn't played. Okay. So that's my fourth win if I need a fourth one to be, to take the place of the, of the first one. I'm going Lions, giving three to the Jaguars.


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[Assistant] You give the Lions two weeks to get ready. The Jaguars are in the process of falling apart. They're just not ready. They're not ready.


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[Assistant] And uh, I don't know, maybe they need people saying they're not ready to get them ready.


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[Assistant] But I think the Lions need this one more. The Lions feel like, you know, they can still maybe work something out, and they got two weeks to get ready for it. I'll be stunned if they, if they don't win that one. I thought about going Green Bay Tampa over, but I'm done messing with the Over-Unders. They burn me all the time. And I don't feel strongly enough, Chris, that they're gonna go over that number, Green Bay Tampa.


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[Assistant] It's just seven days between Tuesday Night Football games. That's it for PFTPM. Chris Sims on button. Enjoy the games this weekend. We'll see you Friday for PFT Live. Have a good day. See ya.


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[Assistant] There are more fanbases upset with you than just three. I know there is.


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[Assistant] What do you do when it's fall, like it's not winter yet, still fall, for socks when you're wearing tennis shoes? Do you wear like longer athletic socks or footy?


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[Assistant] First of all, before we get into the X's and O's of it, how did you like just the dynamic of inside your house in the evening, Tuesday night football? Loved it. Right? It was great. Loved it. Hate the reason. Yeaah. Don't want to be too excited about it because obviously it's only happening for negative reasons.


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[Assistant] The earlier kick and having it on while you're still having a little bit of the Sunday, Monday hangover, no football. It's there to relieve you when it's not like too dark out. I thought it was awesome.


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[Assistant] Right. If you could only pick one, if they came to you before the next broadcast contract, and said would you rather have Tuesday or Thursday night, what would you pick?


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[Assistant] Ooh, that's a good one. Mmm. Just based off last night, I think I would go Tuesday. I think I would too.


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[Assistant] It's a good name. Wild Vander, one of the best riders in the Peloton, by the way. But Wild says, is Tannahill a top five quarterback?


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[Assistant] There we go. Pete's there for the first time. He's a gamer. He showed up when we needed him. If I'm remembering correctly, you had him ahead of Brady and Breeze and a lot of people were on you about that.


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[Assistant] He was pretty good. Wasn't his fault they weren't making it. Wasn't proble, but he was good more often than he was bad. Definitely. So he was kinda ready to get recognized for the next step with a better team and a better fit anyway.


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[Assistant] And I think to that point, credit to Tennessee, whoever was calling plays there, for staying with Henry because as you pointed out, it wasn't going really well. 19 carries, 57 yards is not a Derek Henry kind of night. Nope. But they gave him more than eight or nine carries. Like they stayed with it to keep the offense on schedule, even when it wasn't really working that well.


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[Assistant] How much do you think it matters for Tannehill to take that next step in between okay and now he's somewhere between good and awesome. He's kind of in that category. That the defense is terrific and that the offense begins with a runner.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I've seen a quarterback throw for 195 yards, which is very basic in the NFL, and have it look so impressive when you don't think about the actual stats.


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[Assistant] When I was watching Tannehill and I watched it again this morning, the two things that really stand out to me are how balanced he is in the pocket. He's never in a position where he looks like, oh, he couldn't make a throw right now if the defensive line forced him to, and how just his motion is so compact.


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[Assistant] That almost, I used to wonder, could he really drive it if he had to because it's just a little flip. Right. But the quiet lower body and the no wasted motion up top really leaves that accuracy. It does. And I can't, I can't really remember a poor decision. I'm sure there were, there were a couple bouts of inaccuracy.


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[Assistant] But he was consistently on balance making good decisions and putting the ball where he had to. And it allows them, on like a third and long, they can throw at four yards and give the guy a chance to run because he gets hit right here.


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[Assistant] So that leads us pretty well into the other side, uh, with Josh Allen going up against the Titans defense. And I always want to maintain the perspective that one game does not make you, doesn't take you to a level above or a level below. Josh Allen is still having an awesome season, but he was much lesser than.


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[Assistant] Last night, I saw this morning on PFT that you gave him a C plus grade. Right? I had him warm the B range.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it was inaccuracy there. We talked so much about Tannehill's accuracy. It was a short throw. If he puts it on him instead of behind him, the receiver should have caught it. But his inaccuracy led to that.


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[Assistant] It was a very interesting defensive scheme that, uh, I want you to describe what they were doing. I mean, the inaccuracy led to the pick, but what they did to him leading up to that I thought was really, really good.


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[Assistant] Which leads to that confusion that you've always talked about that you want that quarterback to have for half a second.


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[Assistant] And on this play, on that first pick, I think it's a perfect example because third and four like you talked about.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's an open book for a defense to have any kind of blitz on a third down and four. They had seven guys on the line of scrimmage, maybe six and a half because a seventh was a little bit off. Right. And at the snap, you don't know if they're bringing four or if they're bringing seven.


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[Assistant] So they bring four, which is, which was confusing right off the bat. And then number 31, the free safety, who was about two yards off the ball, looked like he had free rein to play center field.


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[Assistant] Not 20 yards deep, but 5 yards deep and just look for digs and it was a case where defense beats offense, not physically, but they had a better scheme call. They had a better scheme call.


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[Assistant] You say either bring three or four, or bring six or seven, but five gets you nowhere.


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[Assistant] So I was paying attention to who might have been the fifth. I think it's Bayard.


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[Assistant] free runners last night at Josh Allen. I think you're hitting on a point that's allowing the defense to at least think about having a little bit of an advantage over the offense. We're in this time.


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[Assistant] Whether you measure by points or yards or quarterback efficiency, it's advantage offense with the pace, the formations, the amount of guys they get out. But with the deception in the front seven and in the back four and with guys being well coached on not to give away what they're doing until the ball is snapped, defense can kind of take a little bit of that back.


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[Assistant] Bringing me to my next question. Do you think the deception that is shown on the front seven with the quarterback in O-line wondering who's coming, who's not coming, or the deception to the back end where you don't know if they're playing zone or man till after you get it, which one is having more of an effect on it all?


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[Assistant] Second interception, let's focus on that because it looked, watching it live and then watching it back, it looked much worse than the first one where you could say the receiver could have caught it. It was a really creative scheme that got him. What happened on that second pick?


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[Assistant] This one more point on Josh Allen and all credit to Tennessee because they made him play with a little less accuracy and forced him into some careless throws much more than we've seen.


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[Assistant] That touch down to TJ Yeldon was the equivalent. Ever have a baseball game on and someone, there's a runner on third, you know, one out or less, someone hits one deep into the outfield like, oh, that's an easy sacrifice fly. And then the ball comes lasered in and the guy's gunned down at home plate. You sit up, you're like, whoa, how did he get him? It was that kind of a throw. I agree.


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[Assistant] Exactly. They're not. I think we spent a lot of time in the off season thinking about free agency and draft and how can this team go from good to great and we saw the little differences last night. The Tennessee's run game, even though it wasn't


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[Assistant] Alright, Titans-Bills was an awesome game to watch. Great defense, good quarterback play as well.


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[Assistant] Another game we want to get into Saints and the Chargers and different kinds of quarterback play in this one. Let's start with the younger quarterback in that equation for the Chargers. Justin Herbert and to nobody's surprise that we take a look here at the offensive rookie of the year odds provided by our partners at points bet sports book.


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[Assistant] Herbert is the favorite right now by some pretty good numbers. Long way to go, but I think he's worthy of this right here. He has been, in losing efforts, really, really impressive.


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[Assistant] This stat right here, uh, has to do with the Blitz. Ah, please, let's go there. Okay, when Justin Herbert is not Blitzed, 68%, that's good, 6 touchdowns, 3 picks.


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[Assistant] When he is blitzed, he's over 70%, three touchdowns, no interceptions, and his yards per attempt is quite a bit higher as well.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. There's no decision to be made. Unless they get to you right away, as a quarterback, what are you getting in coverage when they blitz usually? Always man to man, right? And if you throw deep, how often do you see the corner not turn his head? No!


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[Assistant] We don't want to make it sound easy, but it is easier. It's a tell. All out blitz. Oh, they're playing man.


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[Assistant] He makes me think about this past winter when we had his, uh, he had the film of what he did at the combine. Right. And people always want to sell a combine, doesn't matter, anybody can throw. And it's not an exact correlation to success in the NFL. But remember when we watched that, we talked about how easy every throw looked, 10 yard out, 50 yard push out. 50 yard corner out.


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[Assistant] The lower body, the motion looked the exact same. And just because he did that in February in the winter in shorts, it doesn't mean he's a good quarterback, but it was a terrific indication of


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[Assistant] And I have a number of notes that sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but I think this works right now. Chargers ran the ball at 18 out of 28 first downs. Only the Raiders and Browns had a higher run percentage.


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[Assistant] I'm sure that they're thinking they're helping their quarterback, like you mentioned a little bit ago, but it's not helping. It's not helping.


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[Assistant] But where's the fine line between, because we just talked about Ryan Tannehill and how much he benefited from them sticking with the ground game, which is much better than the Chargers. But Derek Henry, I think was 19 for 57, so three yards per attempt. So the fact that they stuck with it even though they weren't having a lot of success helped them. And I really like how Herbert gets under center and has that


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[Assistant] Great play action. The half boot, the full boot. So where's the balance there between giving more to Herbert but not getting totally away from that boot?


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[Assistant] You mentioned one of the key points in this game, which was a feeling late in the second quarter that, okay, you know that Drew Brees and Sean Payton are going to figure things out. No matter how many points they end up scoring, they're going to be better in the second half than they were in the first. Yep. Uh, Drew Brees first six drives. He was seven out of 15 for 43 yards.


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[Assistant] Drew being less than three yards per attempt. I don't know how many times that's happened in the last 18, 19 years that he's been playing. I'm sure not very many. Final seven drives, 26 out of 32. That's well over 80%. 282.


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[Assistant] Touchdown, zero interceptions. What changed with what Sean and Drew did and what the Chargers did on defense?


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[Assistant] I want to keep you with that Chargers defense. I have a question from Sirlax says, can you deep dive into the Chargers defense? I feel like Gus Bradley, the defensive coordinator, has been putting them in bad positions when the team has a lead.


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[Assistant] Alright, Chargers and the Saints. Any other final comments you want to spend some time with?


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[Assistant] Right, and for those of you who can't see it, just listening, what I'm looking at is variety too because there are...


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[Assistant] Routes between 0 and 10 yards to the left. There's three of them. Same thing to the right. A couple down the middle and a deep one down the side. So it's, it's spreading him out as well. It's not just, they're not just peppering one little spot with him.


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[Assistant] And one last thing I want to say in response to that, it kind of piggybacks on your point about Michael Thomas. If Michael Thomas is in there, maybe you have to have the third best man defender on Kamara. And right now you can have the second, you can even put the first on him if you're not worried about him.


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[Assistant] Russell Wilson, awesome again. We'll get to him. Let's start though with that Minnesota run game without Dalvin Cook. And we think about this Seattle run defense should be good against anybody. Why did Minnesota get the best of them that way?


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[Assistant] Oh, well. And I have, uh, I have a question here while you think about it, about the Seahawks defense. This is from at Sportlover2010. Do you think Seattle should adopt the defense that the Raiders and Pats played against Kansas City? Seeing as their pass rush stinks, maybe having more numbers and coverage could be beneficial for them.


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[Assistant] I don't know, that's why I keep saying it. I don't think it's gonna get fixed really. The Seahawks are the only team in the Super Bowl era to start 5-0 despite being outgained by an average of 50 total yards per game. In one way, they have an identity. Their defense is good enough to win because they had an MVP and quarterback, but I wonder if it can be sustained.


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[Assistant] They did a good job on Justin Jefferson, who has been so good the last couple of weeks, 3 catches, 23 yards, which allowed Thielen to be a little more himself, 9 for 80 in a couple of touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Is MVP awesome season he's having, but this other one we've been talking about, can this defense, and we brought it up three or four weeks ago, can they go from poor to average as the season goes on? They haven't yet, but we'd certainly keep an eye if they can make a couple steps toward that.


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[Assistant] I appreciate you bringing that up because I talked about, or we talked about Tannehill's accuracy and Justin Herbert's. Hey, Kirk Cousins made a bunch of really difficult throws routinely throughout that game as well and doesn't get talked about enough.


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[Assistant] Great one-handed interception. So yeaah, it happens, right. Okay, as for Russell Wilson, we're gonna start out here.


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[Assistant] Kind of break it down into segments here with him. First half to second half. The first half, which was kind of lesser than what we're used to seeing. Question from at memet-305.


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[Assistant] What specific defense and scheme did Mike Zimmer implement to slow Russell Wilson down in the first half? And I can attach 7 for 7 for only 40 yards. So 7 for 7 sounds good, but when you're getting 5 yards per attempt, that's a major win to the defense every time.


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[Assistant] So playing coverage worked for them in addition to the offense hanging onto the ball and scoring with those long drives.


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[Assistant] But I asked this, and I also want to kind of have us all remember that we talked about Drew Brees struggling in the first half and the second half, really finding a way. This is it. What did Russell Wilson do to go from Strugglesville, as you would say, quarters one and two, to really getting it going more as the game got longer?


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[Assistant] So let's bring up a couple of major what happened here for the theme today. Fourth and ten on the final drive. Fourth and ten on the final drive is just two ballers.


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[Assistant] Right. But, okay. That's an indication, we talk so often about Wilson having excellent touch and accuracy on the deep ball, where sometimes it's just the feel of where to put it. It's not hitting a guy in stride. Exactly. It's that instinct of, this is the kind of ball that he's gonna catch. It's not the perfect one. Right. Just put it up there and let him get it.


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[Assistant] Remember two or three Sundays ago when he was warming up and that we had those great shots and then I put him going up in the end zone and getting it like, oh, it's a cool highlight, but you know, let's see if it plays out that way in a game. And then at a key moment that actually came through. Yes. Next one on that drive. Yeah, that's right. What happened on the fourth and goal in the game winner?


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[Assistant] That's, that's why they're amazing. And big time credits to Breeze and Wilson for having frustrating days leading up to that, but everybody knows it. From the guys on the other side of the field, to all of us watching that they always have a chance. Which is a cliche thing to say, but they actually have it with those two guys. I agree, they really do.


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[Assistant] I thought that was the biggest example yet of all the games of watching where I really missed the fans because think about what that would have felt like in Seattle. I would have come through your television set with that drive at the end and as impressive


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[Assistant] And awesome as it was, it definitely wasn't quite what it would have been had you had that reaction. And I, I mean, I've been aware of it watching all the games, but I thought it was just very obvious and something missing there.


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[Assistant] One more game before we get to quarterback Jeopardy. Which is, there are going to be a couple that get you. I don't want you to feel badly. Oh good.


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[Assistant] Steelers beat the Eagles 38-29. We have to start with Chase Claypool. Question here from Jay Harp, 35-97. Claypool, uh, how did he take advantage of the Eagles defense so easily? Is it scheme related or is he just that much of a freak that no one could cover him?


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[Assistant] Now that we kinda have a picture in our head of that formation, walk us through what happened.


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[Assistant] Spent all of his extra attention looking at Smith Schuster. Is it on him at the snap to be like, okay, I know that Juju is their number one receiver, but I also know that Chase Claypool is gonna kill this linebacker. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to him first before I worry about Smith Schuster.


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[Assistant] We're talking about change in defense against the Steelers and Pete, uh, let me know if you come up with who the Steelers are playing next.


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[Assistant] How are teams going to have to play them differently now, defensively, because of what they saw? So it's the Browns. Yeah, they got the Browns, right. What does Cleveland do differently? What's changed with their thought process now? What they can do against that Steelers offense now that everybody is seeing what Claypool can do?


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[Assistant] Other quarterback, other offense, Carson Wentz. Let's start with this question from Vibe Hire One. Was this Carson's best game of the season? It was pretty damn good.


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[Assistant] This offense is all, it is all him. It's all him. Superman cape, let's see what she can do. Right.


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[Assistant] He struggles a little bit. They're asking him to do that a lot. I mentioned that they blitzed an NFL high 50% of the time, but just to give an idea, some perspective there, the NFL average is only 29%. So it's not like they're doing it a little more than average than most teams. They're doing it a hell of a lot more.


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[Assistant] They're not maximizing. So if you could make one alteration to get them closer to maximizing their talent, what would it be? That would be it.


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[Assistant] That's it. I think you're just stalling for the inevitable. No I'm not.


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[Assistant] It would be fun if the Steelers-Browns was a kind of game. Really good one this weekend that we're gonna talk about next week. And we could get into if they changed it up at all. If they blitzed a lot against Baker. I'll be looking, don't you worry.


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[Assistant] I'm writing a note here to revisit next week if we can. Great. Way to go. Yeah, I like it. I like it. Here it is!


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[Assistant] Quarterback Jeopardy. In the interest of full disclosure, I rolled these out and sent them to Pete, and Pete kinda doctored them up a bit, but he thought they were a little too hard. Oh, he thought they were too hard. Rearranged a little, threw in a couple hints for you. Okay, alright. Pete, Pete, you wanna add anything?


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[Assistant] Tuesday Night Football so much. We're emphasizing the Tuesday. All the questions and answers are going to roll into number two in some way.


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[Assistant] I do trust you. So what quarterback, who was drafted second overall in his class, leaves the NFL interception?


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna throw in this hint. There is, there's a real segue here. From what we were talking about, to this very fun part of the show. What? See, you're confusing me now.


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[Assistant] He was the second quarterback taken in his class recently.


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[Assistant] Segway. Deshaun Watson? No, not Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Leads the league in picks, yeaah. It's okay, there's four left. We got four left. Alright, for 200, this quarterback is 32 only through two incompletions Sunday.


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[Assistant] And is now a popular topic of conversation throughout the NFL. Wow. 32. Team number two in his career. Only two incompletions on Sunday.


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[Assistant] I really do. Uh, yes. I had this for a hundred originally.


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[Assistant] And now he's like a major part of what's going on. He's a giant part of what happened this past weekend. He's tied into it. And now people are very uhm, there's a lot of anticipation to see how he'll do this weekend. And that's new for him this season. Holy shit.


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[Assistant] 32 on his second team. Second team. And this is the first week where like his name is really even thought of.


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[Assistant] Second team starting. This is his first season with his second team.


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[Assistant] He was, he was in the background big time the previous four weeks.


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[Assistant] No one's gonna remember the first two questions if you hit three, four, and five.


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[Assistant] Two teams have had two starting quarterbacks win a game this season.


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[Assistant] Two starting quarterbacks. So, they've both been big stories.


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[Assistant] For different reasons. One team started too because of injury. Yeaah, so the 49ers. There you go, there's one. Right. Jimmy G and Nick Mullins, and the other one just flat out benched a guy. And put the other one in. Oh, and that's the Bears. There you are. Yeaah. Now we're rolling.


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[Assistant] Okay, for 400, this quarterback was the second quarterback taken in his class, but wasn't drafted until round two, and is currently on his second team in the NFL. He also has his team on a two game win streak.


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[Assistant] Okay, I thought this one should be 500. I thought this was the hardest one on the list.


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[Assistant] Okay, here we go. So this quarterback. Second quarterback taken. Second quarterback taken in this class. But of a second round. But wasn't taken until the second round. Right. He is currently on his second NFL team. And his team has won two games in a row. Okay.


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[Assistant] Didn't go till round two. Right. He's on his second NFL team. Yeah. His team right now has won two games in a row. And we have talked about him in this show. True, Breeze.


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[Assistant] Pete, you came through. That was, thank you. That was hard. That was a hard one. That was hard. I thought about not having it at all.


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[Assistant] That's a good heart. I like that. So in his class, Michael Vick went first. Right. And then Breeze didn't. He was the second. There was a run of like four drafts in a row. Just nerding out on this last night. Right. Where like the second quarterback didn't go for a while. That's crazy. But yea, he was the second quarterback taken. Yea.


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[Assistant] Was it the first pick and the second? I think it was. I think it was really early.


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[Assistant] Okay, for 500, and like this is gravy because you got 300 and 400. I had this like at 200 Pete. Pete thought it should be at 5. Okay, so I like your guys' fights more than anything here. 500 points. I'm thinking of a quarterback who played professional football for over two decades.


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[Assistant] Throughout his career, he wore the numbers 22, 20, and 2. Including the college years there too. Right, it's Doug Floody. There he is. That's way too easy for 500 points, Pete. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I know. So, I actually had like that, and some kind of Matt Ryan, because he wears two, for 100. I didn't know which one was easier. He put it at five. We need a staff feeding feed.


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[Assistant] What happened? What'd you find? I wanted to get into the top two for Chris Sims Unbuttoned in the Dominican Republic. We are now in the top two in the Dominican Republic.


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[Assistant] But here's the deal. Here's the deal. Number one currently, not Russ. He's dropped down. I don't know what happened. Had a bad podcast. Made a couple errors. They've lost now. How did we not become one then? Who jumped us?


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[Assistant] This podcast, they're usually meaty. I'm going to tell you what, they're usually meaty, a lot of meat on the bone. But we have so many topics that we're going to get through and you looked at these games. I looked at a lot. I mean, I don't know, that had to be all you were doing. It is. It's all I've been doing for the last two days for the most part. Not talk to your family at all. So here's the rundown, real quick version.


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[Assistant] It's the, what the F happened on Wednesday. You're going to look at Brady. Is he really, is he really back? What's going on there? You're going to look at Cam. Why is he all messed up? You're going to look at the 49ers offense a little bit there too, within that game. And then we're going to focus on some quarterbacks here. Baker and Burrow, you look deep into them. I'm going to ask you who you'd rather.


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[Assistant] Deeper look on Justin Herbert. How good is he? How much is a function of who they're playing? How much of it is a function of that team? Yep. And at the end of it, this is why it's so meaty. It's like taking me a long time to get through the intro part of it. Uhm, Trevor, top pick power rankings. Booyah!


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[Assistant] I'm surprised in making this one for the NFC West, how many players from one team were on the team. Right. Cause you figure it's like such a strong division, you got a lot from every team, not necessarily.


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[Assistant] Their own little unique style of play, right? Alright, so let's get into the first part of it here and we're starting with Tom Brady.


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[Assistant] And, uh, what they did against the Raiders. You know, I was kind of hoping this was going to be a closer game, because I think the Raiders do actually do some good things, but just defensively, they could not stop Tom Brady. And so specifically, we're going to look at his first two touchdowns, because I think the first touchdown is really interesting in two respects, because it's like, wow, Tom Brady,


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[Assistant] He's back, he's doing stuff we haven't seen in a few years. And then here's Rob Gronkowski, who started off this year incredibly slow.


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[Assistant] And now you're thinking, okay, maybe he's getting back to what we saw a few years ago. So let's just start there, Chris, and let's start with that first touchdown and we can just go from there. But Brady's throw to Gronk in the end zone.


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[Assistant] So why is, is that, is that just better weapons and confidence in the weapons? Is it Bruce Arians being like, cause he's telling them to hang in the pocket longer. Is it just like, hey, if you get beat up, you're going to get beat up. Don't worry about it, Tom. Why has he changed?


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[Assistant] Because that doesn't happen last year. 33 yards to Scotty Miller. Right. Uhm, this ball by the way, in Pete notes here, traveled 55 yards in the air. With ease. Brady's longest completion since week one of 2017. There you go. Right. So that's what I mean.


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[Assistant] There was one play, and you've been critical of, of Tom in the past. Not because you're critical of Tom, but I think you're more critical of the amount of love that you've done. Exactly. That's where it is, right. This happens to me sometimes too, where it's like, you're like, oh, you're a contrarian. I'm like,


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[Assistant] No, I still like the player. I just don't like him as much as everyone's saying that we should like the player. Right, yes, yes. And so I think that's what you're trying to say, but you've got some support. You've got some support from Peyton Manning.


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[Assistant] Did you see this? I did see this. So he's gotta show details, I think it's over on ESPN. Yea, it's a great show, I really like it. Uh, NFL Films involved with it, where they look at a specific play in a game, and Peyton breaks it down. Yep. He took a play from this game, with Rob Gronkowski, over on the sideline. Right, well it's two games ago. Oh, two games ago. It's the Packers game, remember, don't forget. Two games ago. Right.


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[Assistant] It's like Tom has been throwing the ball great, but has some of it been...


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[Assistant] Got a little lucky, which maybe he can do more in this offense than he could get away with with New England.


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[Assistant] One on one, scheme wise, I mean, are there that many offenses ahead of them in the, in the NFC?


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[Assistant] And I want to throw a damn okay onto this team as well. It's not on the offensive side of the ball, but it's on the defensive side. Devon White. 11 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble was named the NFC Defensive Player of the Week.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is a, this is a defense that I think we saw last year. Yes. It's talented. Super talented. Right. Uh, but now it appears that they have taken another step forward this year. Did you see that?


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[Assistant] So you think their biggest step just came from the players they had taking another step? Todd Bowles? Yeaah. Scheming up?


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[Assistant] What? Bowls in this house. Got Todd Bowls in this house. Got Todd Bowls in this house. Oh! Certified freak as a defensive coordinator. Damn! Look at you, kid! That's pop culture for you right there. Oh, look at you!


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[Assistant] Cam Newton threw three interceptions in the game, so that's where I want to start right off. I want you to rank the three interceptions and which one was really bad, which one was not quite as bad, and which one maybe didn't bother you as much there. All three of them, the one long one doesn't seem that egregious.


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[Assistant] By the way, on that play, he did throw it 57 yards in a year.


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[Assistant] Edelman was open and he just kinda threw a fastball high and behind it and it was behind and Jamar Taylor got it.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, so that was the middle. The worst one was the Fred Warner one. Right, that was number two. That was not great.


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[Assistant] So this is a question from Angelo Pocono. Right. And you talked about it already. I'd love to hear you pick apart Cam's awful throwing footwork. Has it always been this bad?


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[Assistant] Because it's not like the receivers, and we've mentioned before, are gonna be able to do a lot of it. No, they're not.


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[Assistant] And you have all along given credit to the 49ers defense. And I think there's this.


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[Assistant] Thought that you lose Nick Bosa for the year. That's a huge blow. Right. You've lost DeForest Buckner who's playing very well for the Colts right now. Those are two big pieces. You might not have enough to be that dominant 49ers defense that you had last year. Right. Maybe not as dominant on the defensive line. From what you saw in this game, can they still be that dominant team?


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[Assistant] They looked elite in this one. That run game was elite again. San Francisco with four rushing touchdowns. The Patriots had allowed one in their first five games. So that was something that...


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[Assistant] The Patriots hadn't been leaky in, at least up to this point. Here's a guesstimate. You ready for a guesstimate? Right.


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[Assistant] 49ers have played 23 games their past two seasons. How many rushing touchdowns have they had in that span? 23 games in the last two seasons.


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[Assistant] But the next highest was Arizona and the Rams at 30 each. So they are the highest.


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[Assistant] They were able to run the ball and specifically that Jeff Wilson 16 yard touchdown run Pete wanted you to take a closer look at that and if that was indicative of how the 49ers were able to run the ball on the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Caught on your heels if you're the Patriots in that play that you just described with


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[Assistant] So that's a lot of really bad things for the New England Patriots in that game and I know listening to the podcast with you and Paul on one day you said you would still be surprised if New England wasn't in the mix for a playoff spot come the end of the year. After watching the tape more in depth, does that hold? Would you still be surprised?


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[Assistant] Cam could get back on track, you know, you don't know how much of it was missing those practices. And I was thinking of this the other day, you don't often talk about the fact that he had.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm just actually having the disease of COVID-19. Even if you don't have symptoms, who knows, we don't know a ton about it. Like that physically could make you different than it did before you had it.


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[Assistant] They could finish 10-6 and lose the division by, uh, four games. I don't know. The 49ers? I don't know, that division is so tough.


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[Assistant] If you're the Cincinnati Bengals, there's one way you can win, and that's ride the arm of Joe Burr. Ride it, baby. And they almost did that against, uh, against Baker Mayfield. You talked about this game with Paul on Monday, but we wanted to hone in on just the two quarterbacks. You took a look at the two quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield, of course, started out the game 0 and 5. Disastrous start.


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[Assistant] Let's kind of start with the Baker Mayfield, the final touchdown to Donovan Peoples-Jones. Because I think you're going to look at that play and be like, wow, that just all came together. Although I will say, he maybe threw it a little late because Peoples-Jones did have to turn around for it and kind of catch it in his bread basket there. But, I mean, it was, it couldn't have been thrown


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[Assistant] Much closer to the DV's fingertips than it was.


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[Assistant] Despite that, despite Baker Mayfield having one of the best throwing games you've seen in a while.


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[Assistant] I feel, from looking at your notes, that you like Joe Burrow better in this game.


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[Assistant] He has always been, all year long, I don't know where he is right now, but all year long he has been among the leaders in throwing into a tight window with Next Gen. Of course. He has done that, and he's done it successfully. Right. And they do have a good receiving core over there. They do. One of the deeper ones on the NFL, so that's not hurting him.


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[Assistant] We do not. We do not. So, I'm gonna ask you this about Baker and Joe Burrow.


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[Assistant] If you had to build a team, and you're starting right now, I mean Baker's not that much older, right? He's been in the league for what? Right. Three years? Four years now is it? Three years? Uhm, who are you starting a franchise with? Joe Burrow or Baker Mayfield?


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[Assistant] He's like Joe Cool, you've wanted to call him that a while in that last play, the last touchdown, the fourth and one to Gio Bernard. Uhm, just not doing too much, right? Getting it out there, it's a little bit of a touch pass. Right. He's open, but. Yes.


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[Assistant] Alright, forget it, I won't do it. You love Jobra, you can't find it? I can, I just, I'm feeling the pressure, I don't want to mess this up. I'm feeling the pressure.


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[Assistant] And now, I mean, hearing you talk about still how much you like Joe Burrow, you probably still got.


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[Assistant] Uh, Joe ahead of Justin. But man, Justin has looked awesome. Right. So far. Uhm, this year. Thrown into the starting lineup in an odd situation. Has taken that job and done about as well as you could do with it. Definitely. Uhm, and he's throwing the ball downfield. Specifically thinking about the 70-yard touchdown to Jalen Guyton. Uhm,


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[Assistant] And Pete notes here, passes 20 or more yards downfield, 8 targets to 7 different receivers, 4 of 8, 144 yards and 3 touchdowns. So like, talk about elite passer downfield. Justin Herbert has to already be in the conversation.


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[Assistant] Give some love to Guyton on that play too. He outran the safety after he caught it. Brandon Watson who had an angle on him. I was looking up Guyton. Undrafted out of North Texas last year. It's unreal. He's got 8 receptions this year. 7 for first downs. 3 of those were touchdowns. So he's been very productive for Herbert. They're helping each other.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there, so the way that Cincinnati has given the keys to Joe Burrow. Yeaah. This is the question. Have the Chargers, are they willing to do that with Justin Herbert? No.


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[Assistant] We're gonna give you Aaron Rodgers. We're gonna give you like a couple minutes here. Aaron Rodgers porn to talk about his 45-yard touchdown to Devonte Adams. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, I figured it's only fair. If we're gonna talk about Matt Stafford, I'll give you, I'll tip my hat to Aaron Rodgers here. I mean, yeah. This one, my amateur view of it is that, uh, the Texans had like


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[Assistant] Adams off the line, makes a move, and who was covering him there?


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[Assistant] Eric Murray. Right. Adams, and he's up on him. Like it's almost like he's bump and run. Yep. On this 45 yard touchdown that we're about to break down to Devante Adams.


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[Assistant] You're in my ear just so anybody knows too. Chris has turned you down. He does it from time to time. I hear Pete.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I don't hear you either. Okay. I'm hearing you here. Yeaah, right, we're here. Okay. Uh, in the past hour. You sound like me. Let me look through my notes.


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[Assistant] Alright, so then we'll see if that happens. Wow. Breaking, breaking rumors. But that's the rumor that they're one of the teams that have been acquired. One of the teams. Right. Wow.


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[Assistant] Uh, last quarterback we're gonna look at before we get to the Trevor Lawrence top pick power rankings. Yeaah. So we can look at teams who might get the best quarterback.


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[Assistant] Uh, in college right now. Matthew Stafford. Oh baby. This was so fun to watch. I was with my family. I was watching on Red Zone. You know, they cut to that game a lot with the last drive. I was standing up. My kids were like, why does he care so much about this? They don't understand it yet. Uhm.


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[Assistant] But it was cool. I love that you're die hard for them though. I love it. Still. I mean, it's just, it's like, they're, they get the juices flowing for me still. Good.


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[Assistant] I don't know them as intimately as I used to because now I, you know, we cover all the teams right there. I don't know 100% about each team, but they're still, they're still your, your pride. They're my guy. And Matthew Stafford, as I've told you before, my second favorite football player of all time behind Barry Sanders. And if you want to know why people say that, all you have to do is watch that final drive because it is Matt Stafford.


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[Assistant] But he is able to create. He's like what you talk about so many times. It's like if there's nothing there, can your quarterback make a play? Exactly right. And he did that on this drive where he would scramble away from pressure, he would find receivers, he would go sidearm, he would do all those different things, and uh, he brought him back in the fourth quarter once again.


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[Assistant] When I made you go back and look at this, it was probably like, thank you Ahmed for doing that because he is awesome.


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[Assistant] And then they get the, uh, unsportsmanlike conduct penalty to make it a 47 yard extra point. Like, I forgot about that. Yeah. Which again, I was like, as a Lions fan, you're like, where will it go wrong? Right. And so when they scored and got the flag.


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[Assistant] He's cool that way. This is the legacy of the Lions. Barry Sanders, Matt Stafford, and Kickers. Eddie Murray, Jason Hansen, Matt Prater. They've had really good kick.


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[Assistant] That was really fun to watch, and that was fun to relive. And The Lions, their schedule is not bad of coming here.


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[Assistant] It's like the only game they lost in a blowout was the Packers. The Packers blew them out. The Saints game, they were up a couple touchdowns. The Saints came back, but still that was kind of close. And Cardinals, they came back and won. So it's like they've been in most of the games, even though those games that they're not. When they're playing bad, it looks bad.


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[Assistant] Chris, who never forgets a moment. I know, I'm disappointed. It is.


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[Assistant] You're right, he's too fun to watch. So here we go. So I'm gonna go, uh, we have two new teams, by the way, in the top five. Last time we did this was two weeks ago.


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[Assistant] And so there are two teams that have shown me something. They've shown me that they're ready to compete. They're ready? They want this number one. Or not compete? Or not compete. Yea, they want this number one pick.


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[Assistant] They wanna have the option of drafting Trevor Lawrence. I don't know that they will, but they want that option or at least be able to trade that pick. Number five, a new entrant.


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[Assistant] I'm putting the Denver Broncos in here. Okay. Just lost to the Chiefs. Uh, their wins don't look that great right now. Beat New England. Beat the Jets. Uhm, I'm taking a little bit of a leap on that. Yeah. A leap of faith here. Yeah, I don't agree with the


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[Assistant] I'm a little leap of faith here. Uhm, I can see how things, how maybe they're trying to get up there to the top. I don't know that it's all gonna work out. It's a one week thing, right? I'm gonna give them a one week trial if they disappoint me.


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[Assistant] Uh, against the Chargers up next. Right. I'll drop them right off. Okay. So if they, if they play well. Be careful about messing with the Broncos. They'll kick your butt. They will. Yea, on, on social media. Although I haven't heard much from them this week. Oh no, really? I wonder why? I wonder why you haven't heard anything. Really? Yea.


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[Assistant] Uhm, number four, staying steady, they were number four two weeks ago, the Giants.


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[Assistant] Little dicey. They had that game in hand against the Eagles, but uhm, they lost it and that's ultimately what you have to do. You have to lose it.


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[Assistant] Uh, Pete thinks they're too low. He wants them to be higher there. Number three is a new entrant as well. And it's another team from the NFC East. I'm putting the Cowboys at number three. I am legitimately putting the Cowboys at number three.


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[Assistant] Just to show how much faith I have that they will be horrible. They will be horrible and they might not win a game the rest of the year. I mean, I don't know how long Andy Dalton is going to be out. You know, it's like they still have offensive talent, but we've seen how, you know, lack of quarterback play can totally derail everything.


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[Assistant] Instead of being like, wow, Dak only made him 8 and 8. He's not in the homes. He only made him 8 and 8, 9 and 7. Be like, wow, Dak made this team 9 and 7. That's crazy. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] Uh, so, and if you're the Cowboys, this is a good time to start a run, too. Like, if you're gonna make a run for the number one pick, now, week seven, it's like now is the time to do it. So, I give them credit for that. Number two is the team that was five last time, Jaguars.


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[Assistant] Uhm, 30th ranked defense for the Jaguars.