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[Assistant] No thank you feeling. We had developed in our minds a kind of like


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[Assistant] It's gonna be super touristed and maybe super artificial, not very Thai. Like I'm speaking for myself maybe. I had in my mind visions of like Khao San Road, I was telling Emma the other day.


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[Assistant] In Bangkok, uh, a couple of roads in Patia, a couple of roads in Chiang Mai, like little, and I'm like,


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[Assistant] We find, Sylvia's having a hard time finding fights in our usual network, so we're like, we gotta expand. And, uh, we gotta...


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[Assistant] Sylvie has a Karchuk fight promotion that just loves her, and they occasionally do one down south, uh, a promotion down south, uhm, they do them all over Thailand. And we always say no when they come down here. Originally we said no because we had Jaidee.


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[Assistant] Well, we also had JD, which was very complicated. 13 hour, 14 hour drive. And so we always said no. JD passed. He was our dog, our soy dog.


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[Assistant] And it opened up our ability to move around to new places, stay in new places. Uhm, so we said yes this time. Yes. Right?


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[Assistant] And we put together a trip that also involved filming with, uh, crews in Poocat Gyms.


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[Assistant] Which is basically how we do anything. Like anytime Sylvie goes for a fight, we think to ourselves is there someone we can film with for the Muay Thai library. If you're new to the library, uh, it is the greatest archive in the multiverse of uh, Thailand technique and the men of Thailand. There's over 80 hours already archived. It's, it's gonna be a very important historical collection of uh,


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[Assistant] So, I don't know, maybe you're not as into it as I am.


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[Assistant] I'm very into the resistance I felt about coming to Phuket. Like, I was like, you build up mental images, right?


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[Assistant] Kotau. That was about 15 years ago. I was very disappointed when it went, actually.


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[Assistant] That, uh, we had come, we had lived two years in Chiang Mai, still be fighting like a mad woman in Chiang Mai for two years. We're up at Lana Gym, and when we came down to Patia to get basically better training, more realistic, evolving training, uhm, we,


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[Assistant] We thought we couldn't, we would never live in Patia, but it has this...


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[Assistant] Tiness about it that's actually really charming and beautiful if you just don't go to the three or four spots where


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And Patti is like that too. And so Patti is kind of like a secret in a way. There's lots of like gyms popping up there now and Muay Thai scene is growing but the like, uh, gross sex worker idea or


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[Assistant] But we got, we got serious people in the gym, which is kind of cool. Which is where we live now.


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[Assistant] I guess for me the story isn't, oh, I had all these negative thoughts. My story is I had these


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[Assistant] And I was a little afraid, like when I went to Kotal and Ko-Pi-Pi many years ago, it was like there were no ties living there who were not like, uh,


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[Assistant] In the tourist industry, they were there only for westerners. There was no indigenous culture or anything.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm sure there are people listening who are like, veterans of Phuket, who are like, oh you don't know the blah blah blah, like there's, once you live somewhere, there's so many things to complain about if you are a complainer.


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[Assistant] I'm sure there are negatives. I was really charmed by Poop Cat.


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[Assistant] It was unexpectedly beautiful, like not overly developed.


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[Assistant] I think we benefited, or I benefited from having seven years, and in Thailand for seven years, been all over the country.


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[Assistant] Coming to Bouquet, all the tiniest of it came forward for me.


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[Assistant] See all the like non-tinous. Instead the tinous came forward and it was a really like pleasant


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[Assistant] We were, uhm, not far from Patong, uhm, we stay not far from Patong, but just like,


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[Assistant] Five minutes down the road from Patong was just like...


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[Assistant] Cliffs and ocean and just beautiful. And we trained at this little, uh, Thai gym, Ali's gym, crew Ali's gym, which is like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you've been following Sylvie or you've not been following Sylvie, you know Masterpiece Basement is where Sylvie started in New Jersey in America. A basement where a 70 year old time man who moved to America taught one of private lessons.


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[Assistant] Out of passion. He's still teaching and I think he's like 80 now.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, someone took Master K's basement and put it on a cliff overlooking beautiful blue water and, and it was just like...


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[Assistant] Jesus, that, I was very taken by that and also how Kru Ali is kinda like Master K, like, he's in his 60s and kinda has, he lives in his own like, passionate world of Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] And has his, like, vision of what moi is.


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[Assistant] Do not bring Tiger Muay Thai up or Thai Fight, which was happening that week or night, uhm, up to Kru Ali, who would, I mean, he was like the enemy of Muay Thai for him. He would go off on it. But, the,


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[Assistant] This little niche, like, of Muay Thai that was sitting there in Phuket, just a stone slo- stone slo- from, uhm, Pattong, which is supposedly the most touristed part of Phuket, I was like, wow, this is really cool, like,


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[Assistant] There was a coolness to baton and stuff, like, that was way more charming, like,


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[Assistant] I just, I just kind of blew me away. So I guess what I'm saying is...


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[Assistant] Just because you build up mental images about something doesn't mean you know fuck all what it really is.


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[Assistant] And you make a very good point about Patia too, like, I almost don't want to tell people, like...


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[Assistant] I like people being like, oh don't go there, just a party, whatever. Like, there's some really good training around Patia.


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[Assistant] It's very hard to like figure that out from 5,000 miles away. That's the weird, I mean...


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[Assistant] Pick small, like we went in there with a very small eye. Like, like we went to Kukat King, right? To crew, to train with group.


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[Assistant] Okay, King Muay Thai, trained with, uh, Krupot, which was this sweet little gym in the middle of, I was surprised how many small little gyms, when Krupot is like a fucking legend of knee fighting, like, here he is just hanging out, and he has this beautiful muay, and he's like, it was just,


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[Assistant] I don't know, the oasis of Moi that was sitting there in Bouquet was really cool.


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[Assistant] You know, no Puket King probably does not have


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[Assistant] Thai fighters. That's probably all westerners. Or almost all.


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[Assistant] But it had its own authenticity to it. And then Kuru Ali had his own authenticity to it. And then I was like, then we went to Rawai, which is a mech, kind of a mega gym, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, we went there to train with Chan Chai?


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[Assistant] Oh, Charn, uh, whose, uh, Master of the Teep, we filmed with him for the Muay Thai Library, and I was like, you were really struck by the community there.


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[Assistant] But here it was, it's like two hours from Phuket.


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[Assistant] I'm like, you know what I'm thinking about is like, people are like, Selmy what gym should I go to? But it's impossible for us to answer those questions. Totally. But it's like, it's so nice when people find in a gym what they're looking for.


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[Assistant] I don't know, uhm, Deanna, is that her name? She was like, we got mostly beginners and intermediate. And there were some, and then we were there when there was...


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[Assistant] People were taking privates, I think. You had like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Middle age-ish people, not entirely, but middle age-ish people taking privates who seemed like relatively in shape and really into learning their technique and getting their work in and getting their training was just, I guess everybody felt satisfied and stimulated.


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[Assistant] It's not on the beach, right? So they're not getting a resort thing. It's isolated to some degree. So everybody there is there to train. They're having...


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[Assistant] A trancation, really. And it, it just felt like the, it felt gated there.


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[Assistant] For what these people wanted.


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[Assistant] Almost all gyms in Thailand is... They're the gym for everyone. Do you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] That's exactly, it's exactly that kind of thing. And it's like, you just have to find the one that kind of fits with you. And I felt like, wow, Rawe, even though it's like a kind of a mega gym.


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[Assistant] It fit all these people and they all seemed happy. And you were saying, or you seem to know, but we also got the feeling like people returned to this gym over and over and over again.


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[Assistant] Like they're not only have a satisfied experience, but they come for 5 years, 6 years, 10 years.


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[Assistant] They're really doing a great job of what they do.


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[Assistant] I don't want to be giving gym advice to people, but one thing that we say...


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[Assistant] Often is do not, if you're just coming for the first time, do not book.


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[Assistant] If you can avoid it, I mean sometimes you can't avoid it, but do not book long prepaid stays at a gym. Uhm.


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[Assistant] In advance and pay them and everything because what you want, honestly what you need to do is go to three gyms and just walk in the space and feel the soul of it because the tone, the attitudes, the soul of every gym is different.


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[Assistant] Oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Yeah, have three first dates. And even if you like...


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[Assistant] Even if you like something, like, uh, it's good to feel something else, like, we, when we first came to Thailand, we were at Lana, we had a great experience, and then we went down, we're like, we gotta have another experience, so we went down to Sasa Prabha, this was like 10 years ago, uhm, in Bangkok, but I'm like, if you go to Chiang Mai,


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[Assistant] Go to three gyms, take a day of training, see how it feels, and this is the other problem where we don't want to get into...


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[Assistant] Advising gyms for people. The soul of gyms change a lot. Like not, like I don't know how every gym change, which is a lot, but.


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[Assistant] A gym might be great at one point and then six months later, oh my god, it's not in a good place. Like a top crew left or god knows, the booking process changed.


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[Assistant] People, yeaah, people in a gym impact, like the people training really impact this space. And uhm, so even if


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[Assistant] We thought that some gym has a great thing. In six months it might not.


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[Assistant] And so, I guess for us, the thing that we try to recommend is to try three gyms, like


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[Assistant] If you can avoid paying in advance. I know some of the gyms really like to book you up because they want people locked in.


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[Assistant] I want to know in advance the load of Westerners that they're gonna be dealing with.


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[Assistant] Anyways, I'm still on this Phuket thing where I'm like, I don't know, for so long we were like, Phuket? And I'm like, wow. I, when I, even in the like, center of Patong, I'm like, it would be nice to fight here.


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[Assistant] Like, for a long time, I was like, Baton Stadium, we've always seen images and everything like that, and a lot of the mega gyms, like, uhm...


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[Assistant] I've pushed those images for many years, and I was like, wow, it would be kind of nice to fight here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we make, we joke, I mean, I joke how Lampini Stadium is basically a mall. The new one. The new one. Well, everyone knows, but it's not the old one.


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[Assistant] Old one was knocked down. I don't know, we can talk about that another time.


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[Assistant] Something that I had resistance to, I had built up a resistance to, and I like when life surprises me that much.


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[Assistant] Was it that, for instance, not a lot of people spoke English?


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[Assistant] Uhm, you lost me there actually a little bit.


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[Assistant] Okay, so if this didn't thrill you a little bit, we're going to make a hard right turn on the next, on the next subject. Uh, that was just us kind of talking our experience. I guess I'm still kind of like freaked out about how much I liked Bookette. Baby, we're moving to Bookette.


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[Assistant] There's like layers, like uh, Subai Subai was something like, which is basically relaxed.


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[Assistant] Let me give an idea, like, what this subject is about, is about.


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[Assistant] When you're here for a little bit, you get a pretty good understanding, a working understanding of a phrase that you hear over and over again, or a command you hear over and over again. And that working understanding,


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[Assistant] Gets you through almost all situations. It can get you through stuff for several years. You're like, you kinda understand what subi subi mean. Like, you understood that for a long time. You're not confused about it. And then one day something happens and you're like, holy fuck.


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[Assistant] We, I thought it meant what I've been, my working, oh we have a checkpoint.


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[Assistant] I thought it meant such and such. Suddenly I realized the whole time my working definition wasn't covering something super important. Right. So that's what we're kind of just to give people the lay of the land. This is about one of those things.


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[Assistant] Like how hard you're hitting the pad.


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[Assistant] But the, and the consequences of when you get told no power, no power.


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[Assistant] Well, it's a term that you had developed an emotional connection and understanding to for years. Like you've been told that you'll be told this all the time in Thailand.


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[Assistant] We'll talk a little bit more about Root, because this is a big...


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[Assistant] Area of mistranslation between cultures.


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[Assistant] No, but I want you to talk about it in terms of like, the fact that Ty's prize-roo in watching fights.


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[Assistant] Like, I don't know, like from my perspective, western sports oriented, when you see like an elite


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[Assistant] My generation, like Michael Jordan or something, Magic Johnson or something.


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[Assistant] When you watch them move through on the court, or across the field,


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[Assistant] Their root, their visage is evident in every step they take.


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[Assistant] Their, their physical expression in the, in the playing zone, at all moments, not just when they're hitting the game winning shot or whatever, their entire expression of themselves as a person, in the ring, like in Thailand it's in the ring,


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[Assistant] That this is really what is prized in assessing a fighter. Whether a fighter is winning a fight or whether they're worthy of praise in general. And this is something that Westerners just


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[Assistant] And you almost say that with like a disdain, like, oh, you just were faking or putting on a performance. But this is not appreciating how much root is prized.


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[Assistant] And, and we'll go into this in another couple segments, segments probably, we're probably going to be a theme in this podcast.


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[Assistant] As the truth telling of the nature of a fighter. And it's why...


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[Assistant] Uhm, Samart was cons- is probably considered the greatest ever by ma- most highs, was because of his root performance throughout fights. Against- they would put him against very savage aggressive fighters, like, Moekow fighters.


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[Assistant] I just want to talk about what root means. It's like one of the touchstones of what Muay Thai is. And if you come from other combat sports,


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[Assistant] Traditions, you might not understand how important that is. Now...


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[Assistant] The hard part is to understand this is what has to be trained in the gym.


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[Assistant] But not just physical strength, but it's also like, strength of presence. Right? Like, a very, like,


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[Assistant] And this is what's so cool, is Sylvia's hugging the cardio machine. She's known for her strength.


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[Assistant] For physical strength and endurance, and uhm,


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[Assistant] Who's always positive, he's pretty upbeat guy, especially for a tie. Uhm, he's like, no, today the roof is broken. And, and it's so cool because the challenge really is you need to be training your


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[Assistant] Training the explosive sound on the pads.


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[Assistant] But, I have to say, maybe this is the time to add the like, Diesel Noi or Golden Age thing.


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[Assistant] Is that, we're talking in ideal terms here.


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[Assistant] Every gym has different standards of root. Different thresholds of what good and like, like how, how hard they hold you to this.


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[Assistant] Concept. This principle. What we found was when we brought Diesel Noy, who, if you don't know, he's the greatest knee fighter ever, possibly the greatest fighter ever, of the golden age, we brought him into the gym.


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[Assistant] Its main focus is raising Thai boys to be stadium champions. And some of the best fighters in Thailand have come out of, uh, their, uh,


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[Assistant] But he came through there and his main focus was like raising the level of root among the TIE boys.


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[Assistant] And one of them are interesting things and it's captured in your, uh, uh, Ki Moi Diaries a little bit.


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[Assistant] Tanansha, uh, what's his name? Tongchai. Uh, Krunu's son.


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[Assistant] He was urging bank, for sure, more intensity, more explosiveness. He's, he's always famous for a very fa- uh, very...


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[Assistant] Uh, viral pad work round of his from his old days. Uhm, he's just relentless on the pads. But what was so interesting was how


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[Assistant] Almost more intensity he gives to the, to the TIE fighter after the pad round is over.


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[Assistant] Was like, stand up straight. Like.


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[Assistant] Rolling because we had a little battery drop out, so we're not quite sure how far.


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[Assistant] How much we missed? So we're gonna start right at when I was talking about when we brought diesel noi.


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[Assistant] Arguably the greatest fighter ever. Definitely the greatest knee fighter ever from the golden age. We brought him into this gym and for me it was just fucking insane.


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[Assistant] I don't know, all the, my feeling, my theory is, is that it wasn't crews that made Yodmoy in the golden age. It was camps.


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[Assistant] Produced multiple champions because, not because the crew was teaching this super secret technique, it was because these tempos and standards were kept within a community of boys who were all growing together. And Steel Sharpened Steel, in the ethic of the camp,


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[Assistant] And those packs no longer really exist in Thailand, even in like artificially made packs like PK San Chai Gym or something like that where they basically buy up the contracts of some of the best fighters in Thailand and try to create a pack.


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[Assistant] The ethic, the culture of those training gyms in the 90s,


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[Assistant] I think no longer exists, or like ecosystems that no longer exist. So when you bring in Diesel Noy, one of the things he brings, besides like technical knowledge, is he brings his memory of the music of his training.


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[Assistant] And it was really neat to see him take on bank.


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[Assistant] They do lots of background, especially when they're pushing for a fight. It's world famous.


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[Assistant] God, it's like you watch a samurai, like, pull his sword out, and, uh,


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[Assistant] Slice some bamboo stick 27 times. But it's really, how did he put his sword back in?


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[Assistant] There's a reason for that because how you put your sword back in will dictate how you pull your sword out and how you use your sword. It, it gives you an intensity of focus that elevates everything you do.


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[Assistant] It's not just about, like, not letting your opponent see that you're weak.


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[Assistant] There's a, there's a famous samurai, I don't know why I bring up samurais now, but famous samurai phrase which I really like that I sent to you, uh, saying, which was, a tiger's skin and a dog's belly, that, uh,


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[Assistant] And the dog being a street dog who's starving. And he's like,


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[Assistant] Even when you have nothing in your stomach, you should look like you just ate. Like you're wiping your mouth of the feast you just had.


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[Assistant] It's that performance, it's that you're outside thing, and part of this has to do with Asian culture, which is about...


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[Assistant] Face, right, what you show to others is more highly valued in Asian cultures.


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[Assistant] But it, the result of that is not just like, oh, just put on a good face. It's asking your soul and your spirit and your mind to ascend to a higher standard.


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[Assistant] Which will eventually be showing itself in your...


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[Assistant] Actual strikes in your actual ability to defend and continue the narrative you're telling in Muay Thai. Right? Yea. In a fight. And it's like...


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[Assistant] I don't know, there's something to me, I'm like, Patrung Rung is a pretty good gym and there's almost no gym in Thailand that weaves together


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[Assistant] Thai boy training. And then it just incorporates Westerners into it, like...


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[Assistant] If you knew it's like, yes, get on our, my program. Like, it's pretty unusual how...


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[Assistant] How interconnected they are. There's no separation really, or very little separation I'd say. And I'm like, but it does not have what Diesel Noy knows.


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[Assistant] What hippie knows, like what these golden age people knew, who were raised in camps of a different, there was a different standard then.


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[Assistant] And it's like, I don't know that there's anywhere in Thailand, like the whole thing is eroding in a very sad way.


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[Assistant] I think it's, we are not ex- we're not connected to like, total tie champs in the sun or what not, but it feels like it's gone.


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[Assistant] And I think it shows even in Stadium Muay Thai, like,


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[Assistant] The top stadium fighters are not anywhere near what they...


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[Assistant] I have a vision of it, but can you talk a little bit about what, I just had this thing where a bank just got off, just ended a round of pads, which was exhausting.


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[Assistant] Diesel noise screaming in his ear to go harder or need more.


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[Assistant] During the round and then when the round ends, he's only runs up to bank and is like, can you describe what that is? Have you paid attention to what he does?


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[Assistant] Like, it looks like he's like, be proud, like stand up your posture, but it's also this part of like opening yourself up to your breath.


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[Assistant] It's this like, uh, revital, this vitalization that occurs after you just gave it out on the pads and it's the exact opposite of...


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[Assistant] Uhm, you really like to overdramatize sometimes the...


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[Assistant] The effort you put forward, which is the exact opposite of roof maintenance.


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[Assistant] And I think it's just a cultural difference in a certain regard. Buh.


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[Assistant] Uhm, some people will even throw themselves on the ground.


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[Assistant] In Thai camps, in Kai Mui, and they're all different kinds.


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[Assistant] Westerners come and they get exposed to Thai culture and Thai style training and Thai techniques and Rukh.


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[Assistant] Type priorities, you know, this happens all over the place. So they're transm- Thai culture, Thai, uhm, styles are being transmitted to the West.


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[Assistant] The Westerner is also influencing the Thai. Yes. And in a gym like, uh, Petra Rung where there is close, uhm,


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[Assistant] Connections between the Thais and the Westerners is that there might be a lot of influence. We were talking about this like panel cough of the sigh after a hard round that is very untie, but quite Western or European is like, the dramatic thing is that


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[Assistant] We have to keep in mind that the West is also influencing...


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[Assistant] Like, you see it in Max Muay Thai, these hybrid shows, this uber-aggression shows, also in terms of no longer prizing root, like a big powerful


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[Assistant] And, but it also might be western also in a certain regard. This showing of intensity, this ahhh.


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[Assistant] It's just something to think about. Is that group appreciation or the demand of training group is, uh,


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[Assistant] Fingerprints, yeaah, fingerprints on glass, and it, and,


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[Assistant] And your trainers are like...


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[Assistant] The westerner in the like, Thai gym has had a corrosive effect on the very thing that you're trying to...


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[Assistant] Learn from and absorb. And this could be in a good way, I mean it could be that the Thai, the Thai boys in your gym, uhm, now can fight on western oriented shows more.


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[Assistant] They can fight in kickboxing and, uh, maybe take advantage of commercial opportunities.


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[Assistant] Fighting outside of just Thai style, there could be good advantages in that, but there is also a kind of like dilution and loss of the training culture itself that's already eroding for other reasons. The main reason being, uhm, there's no,


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[Assistant] Okay, let's stop this and I, there's one more dimension of this about root training that's really cool. I don't want to get to it. Okay.


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[Assistant] Rolling. Okay, this is another dimension of this, which is really fucking cool.


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[Assistant] There is this western perspective that...


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[Assistant] Ties are kinda dumb, they don't understand science.


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[Assistant] They, the way they train is inefficient, they don't know how to hack the body or the diet or whatever. Never mind that the fucking, that what Ty's know is the result of...


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[Assistant] When a Thai trainer is putting you through something, it's because hundreds of people have gone through it and


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[Assistant] I suspect that they know a whole lot of stuff that they couldn't write down in a book.


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[Assistant] But they know some shit. This is really interesting about uh,


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[Assistant] Boys, most of the Thai boys, it doesn't really hold for Westerners that much. Uhm, because he enjoys it.


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[Assistant] But he'd been around for decades.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just little kids fight there. But we're talking about not like...


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[Assistant] The genius coach of Thailand. And then what he says to Sylvie is,


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[Assistant] This is the thing that's really cool. I saw, I wrote a forum post, I'll link it in the description, I wrote a forum post about this because I was reading about the most tech


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[Assistant] I'm trying to pass somebody here one second on my distraction. The most advanced science of, uh,


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[Assistant] In the NBA of examining an NBA player's like peak performance and looking for warning signs of injury, uh, and what not.


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[Assistant] Wow. And I'll link this, it's, it's, I'll link the article, it's in the...


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[Assistant] It was a Sports Illustrated article, I think. But it's in my forum post.


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[Assistant] And I'm going to ask Sylvie to read two passages that are really interesting or really interesting to me. It might be a little bit boring. I'll try to draw the connections between the two of them. Okay.


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[Assistant] Talking about that he looks for postural distortion.


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[Assistant] In players, during practice and in games probably.


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[Assistant] If he sees postural distortion, he's like...


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[Assistant] There's a possibility of injury here. It means their load is so, is high.


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[Assistant] And they're not able to keep it together. Their roof is being, is breaking in some way. And you see this not when the jump shot's happening, but as they're moving through space.


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[Assistant] What's this diagnostic? And he's obviously talking about experiences, somebody probably with three or four decades of experience at the pro level. He's talking about


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[Assistant] Doing the eye test on an athlete while they're performing their sport and being able to see, just like you were talking about a cheetah looking at antelopes and looking for the one to go after. He's doing an eye test on the group of players.


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[Assistant] And this is the really interesting thing, it's like, when Kruden is saying to you, mind me Lang, he's saying your root


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[Assistant] Is not together. He's like, he's like Gary Veeady at the fucking...


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[Assistant] The highest level of sports science, the Los Angeles Lakers, looking at a player and being like, there's postural distortion.


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[Assistant] Well, no, it's not that like that. The reason why he's got an app for it is that he's got a tremendous amount of data that he can track all the players and basically create a very broad snapshot of load and intensity for all of his players.


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[Assistant] It's not a per- it's not a perfect science, but it's a scientific...


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[Assistant] Approach to something that somebody as simple as crude N already knows.


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[Assistant] This is the thing that's, I think, that's missing from the Western perspective. He's like...


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[Assistant] Okay, your postural distortion is happening. We might need to bring your load down. Like how much work you're doing. What the ties are doing is they're training your root. They're training your intensity.


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[Assistant] The rule that they found, that the Lakers found was, if load is high, intensity has to be high.


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[Assistant] So, what Dizzle Noi is doing


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[Assistant] Are we good with Tai? Yea. You know what Diesel Noy is doing with, when he comes to a Tai who's training for fights. He's like, your load is high. You're gonna be fucking ripping on these paths. Redline this. But he's like, maintain your root.


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[Assistant] Maintain all your intensity. What the ties are doing is not managing your load, but they're managing your intensity.


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[Assistant] By making Roop a really, really important value. And what ends up happening, I think, is that because you're paying attention to Roop so much, when Roop really starts to decay, even a little bit, you know that there's something wrong.


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[Assistant] Right? If your root decays all the time, there's no way to measure what's happening.


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[Assistant] There's no baseline. So what the ties are doing, I believe, especially in the golden age,


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[Assistant] Is they're creating a baseline that is of intensity and focus?


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[Assistant] That is so sensitive that even small changes the trainer can read.


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[Assistant] In the West, it's like, what's your variable heart rate when you wake up? What's your morning heart rate? The ties are reading it through a very high threshold of root ordinance.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I wonder if what has happened since the Golden Age, because Root has become less important in Thailand, among Thais.


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[Assistant] To a high degree. Like, they still do pretty heavy work. Yes. But because the intensity


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[Assistant] Remember the rule is, if load is high, intensity has to be high.


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[Assistant] Intensity are all the things between the performance of the load. Like,


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[Assistant] On the basketball court, it's like, how quickly are you moving from spot to spot, right? That's what he tracks. Speed, right? Distance covered.


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[Assistant] And this is the very interesting thing, is like, if you can maintain your focus, and we're calling it intensity, but maybe it's just the sharpness of your mind, or your attentiveness to what you're doing.


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[Assistant] Decay. Like, I think runners probably do this, like ultra-runners. Oh, here we go, another stop, one second.


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[Assistant] If you're running for great distances, you need to maintain your form.


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[Assistant] Like, your running form becomes really important because you're repeating it so much, right?


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[Assistant] But it's not just like the prettiness of your kick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but ideally, you're then, that will shape your technique.


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[Assistant] Go to, uh, Arjun Charan Chai and he goes, oh, you need your ankle to do this little angle and now your teep is fixed. It's from thousands of teeps that your ankle starts to gain stability.


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[Assistant] The diminishment of rup importance in Thailand is happening in the culture already. Like golden age fighters.


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[Assistant] ...trained in atmospheres and kai mois that...


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[Assistant] Focus, that is well beyond probably what Thai kai mois are doing now.


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[Assistant] But if you come to Thailand and you're like so focused on the technique, the proper angle of the foot and making sure everything's pretty and even your description seems to be moving towards that, I'm like the intensity that will allow you to take the load is when you walk off the back.


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[Assistant] Is when you walk off the paths, it's...


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[Assistant] After you threw your combo and how you gather yourself in fatigue in your round.


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[Assistant] We have a, there's a instinct because we're so mechanistically motivated and our thought patterns are about


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[Assistant] The mechanics of things that we think we are training the kick while we're kicking and now is a time out. We're not training anymore. Now we're resetting and now we're going to train again the kick.


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[Assistant] And it's like on off, on off, on off.


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[Assistant] And what Diva Noi is like, there is no off. At all.


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[Assistant] And it's not, I don't know, the thing that really the Gary VD descriptions is like.


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[Assistant] That article was kinda more about, well when the intensity drops, then you gotta drop the load. The tie, the golden age tie way is, when the intensity drops, you gotta pick your intensity up.


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[Assistant] You don't drop the load, you bring your intensity up, and your intensity is your acu- your acuity towards your root.


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[Assistant] If, if you're at a point where you have to slump off of the paths,


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[Assistant] And you're, like, really following the root, the golden root rule, then you're probably in a big danger zone.


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[Assistant] But if you slump off the path all the time, there's no way to know where you are.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about this fight later, the incredible Diesel Noise Summart fight that was found, like, that's arguably the greatest fight ever.


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[Assistant] He's only told us that he was devastated by his weight cut. 19 pounds in a few weeks. Oh, look at these dogs fucking going crazy on the road. Uh, guys, that one's very funny.


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[Assistant] He said he was devastated by the weight cut and that he would have performed very differently if he didn't have to do this weight cut. He came...


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[Assistant] Very different, uhm, weight classes. Summart was 20, 126 lb. champion. And Desenloy was 135 lb. champion.


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[Assistant] Samark didn't have to cut any weight for the fight probably, and Desilinoid dropped 19 pounds. He was saying he was so, like, drained by this weight cut. But when you watch this fight, you're like, holy fuck, Desilinoid looks so unbelievably vital


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[Assistant] And he drains some art, like...


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[Assistant] It is incredible to see the physical impact he has on one of the most fluid fighters ever.


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[Assistant] And this is what the thing is, this is Diesel Noy having a bad performance in his own mind about his root. And it shows how hard he trained his root. Like...


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[Assistant] How important it is. You got, he, this was him at his most depleted and you cannot see, maybe some expert can see it. You cannot see a sign of its decay. It's really incredible. Like, it just shows you the kind of training he did.


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[Assistant] And then he brings that now to like, bank or somebody like that.


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[Assistant] And I think it, I don't know, I'm still drawn to this idea of raising the intensity, which is really the focus. It almost has like a spiritual element to it.


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[Assistant] But it's also the culture of the gym. I mean, he's raised, Jim Meng's been raised in the gym of a certain standard.


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[Assistant] Under load. That is the whole point of being a fighter. And it's also amazing to me, it's like, how you walk to get water might save you from injury.


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[Assistant] Crispness of your presence of mind in all things.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's very, there's something about this that's a very big idea.


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[Assistant] She keeps a very high load, but she also keeps a lot of intensity.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's a very interesting, because that brings together, in how we usually talk about intensity, like in English, the word has an emotional component, right?


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[Assistant] It's also a sensitivity of awareness. The intensity is a kind of like acuity you have, a perception you have.


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[Assistant] That you're connecting to your training partner or your opponent in a way and


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[Assistant] Like you say, in the Moikawa style, if you want to show weakness, I'm going to punish weakness.


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[Assistant] Not acceptable. It's very interesting how she has that and also decently kind of has that in a certain regard too.


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[Assistant] Oh man. Okay, how far are we on this time-wise?


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[Assistant] Aspect or dimension of tie.


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[Assistant] Muay Thai culture. We've long had this inclination that Thais have a very different, uhm,


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[Assistant] We noted that top Thai female fighters very often. It feels like once they get to kind of like


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[Assistant] Elite status, they stop fighting often.


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[Assistant] They basically, it feels to us like they kinda wanna stop fighting.


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[Assistant] And you also get this when you see like, the big names who continue to fight, like on TIE Fight.


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[Assistant] They continue fighting, they continue making money, but very famously they don't train very hard.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they don't, you don't fight top fighters, but you, they become ambassadors to the sport.


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[Assistant] I'm wondering if this dimension of root training... I always...


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[Assistant] I thought this was like a function of, oh these people have been fighting, they've been fighting since they were 6 years old or 9 years old or 11, like whenever they started. They've been doing this for a very long time, by the time they're 25.


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[Assistant] They're more than a decade into fighting, and it's like, this is just the natural evolution of...


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[Assistant] But I'm in reading about and thinking about room.


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[Assistant] And load versus intensity, right? Management. I feel like there is something also within the culture.


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[Assistant] They're no longer pushing the load and pushing the intensity.


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[Assistant] And maybe this is just now and not how it used to be. But towards the ends of careers, because ROOP is so important, they bring the load down and they keep the intensity, the ROOP together.


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[Assistant] The top, some of the top fighters that are kind of like past their prime, maybe not physically, but in terms of their arc, uhm, don't train very much and are still beautiful fighters.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but that might be the just not train, training hard and their fatigue catches you and breaks your root. I'm just like, I don't know, I just feel like this is the, this is the shadow of focusing so much on root.


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[Assistant] Opportunities become less frequent and you're going more for paydays or defining fights or whatever it is. Your load might come down.


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[Assistant] Instead of diesel noise, your intensity has to come up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's kind of how it feels. And then, this is what's fucking interesting. It's like, we see this with top female fighters struggle with this kind of like,


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[Assistant] And, and this part of their career when they're now, they start claiming no one can beat them, right?


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[Assistant] Or something like that. Their opportunities are very thin.


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[Assistant] When they then get absorbed into a western style situation, they can really blossom or change.


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[Assistant] Instead of the load coming down.


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[Assistant] In this kind of like soft management of your root because root is so important. They get into more western influenced stimulations of training and their root can now meet


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[Assistant] Like, I'm thinking about Stamp, who is at Fairtex and had like a whole second career with her one championship performance and, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and she no doubt trained hard as a pure Thai fighter, but I'm sure she's doing, was doing things that lifting weights, things that she might not have been doing in the same way, having Western protocols because Western, FairTech says kind of like,


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[Assistant] Pro western style, they were, she's learning MMA. Uhm, also, I don't know if she's a better fighter than she used to be, uh, but Loma had


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[Assistant] I'm wondering if instead of like softening the load and maintaining the root and like basically


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[Assistant] I don't know, I wonder if, is that when you encounter a western protocol at 23 or 20,


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[Assistant] Totally, but I'm saying these older fighters, and they're not old at all, struggle with load.


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[Assistant] They, I don't know what it is, it's like, I don't have to do that anymore or... You even get it.


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[Assistant] In, with Cao Xing, who, she had a child, uh, which in, among ties often can be like, well you'll never be the same. Like, and she probably believes it too because she's been told it. Physically instead of endurance and strength.


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[Assistant] She used to train a lot at Dejara Gym, which is one of the most hardcore gyms in Thailand.


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[Assistant] With Arjun Surat, who's extremely hardcore, no longer trains there. And she's been, she runs her own, she has her own gym, north of Bangkok.


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[Assistant] Uh, in St. Marie, uh, Winter Gym, uhm, that she and her husband, uh, run. And...


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[Assistant] She, it feels like she's exploring this, she is-


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[Assistant] Is not quite sure what the load she's under in her training. Like,


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[Assistant] How intensely, not intensely in terms of RUPE, I've been talking, but just the load of physical work to build that strength is, and uhm,


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[Assistant] She lectured, she has publicly lectured Thai female fighters for not training hard, that westerners train hard, right? Why you laughing?


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[Assistant] Okay, stop. It is called... Hardcore? What?


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[Assistant] But it's notable that they were chastising Thai female fighters from a female fighter perspective for fitness. Right?


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[Assistant] This is this thing where they start to get to their peak and the load comes down, I think sometimes.


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[Assistant] And, so not go too far into it, but, uh, South Sing then fought a westerner, what's her name?


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[Assistant] Well, Westerner, who she outweighed quite a bit, which is very unusual. Usually it's the Tai who's outweighed, and she ended up gassing pretty good towards the end of that fight.


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[Assistant] And it just showed, this is the fucking ironic thing about fighting Thai female fighters that are really good. You are fighting one of the best fighters in the world.


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[Assistant] But their load is not like yours. Like...


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[Assistant] All of them, once they're past, like, side bet prime, just do not train the way they did when they were 14 years old.


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[Assistant] Right, I mean part of this is also as there's a Thai style which also involves not really pushing it for two rounds.


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[Assistant] And, this is the thing. All you need to do is bring your intensity up.


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[Assistant] You actually have, you do train root pretty good. Like you've adopted a lot of Thai mentality towards showing fatigue or not.


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[Assistant] Because your load is so high, you have the chance to raise your roof threshold, your intensity to meet it, like how you go and get water, how you come off the bag, like all of those things, right?


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[Assistant] One second, I have a... Oh, it got knocked off. Okay.


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[Assistant] You're saying intention, you can intentionally train Roop. When you hear Mimey Lang now, you're like, oh, that's what I need to focus on.


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[Assistant] Speaking about this root training, purpose of root, I'm always like, baby you just need way more sparring rounds.


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[Assistant] If you just worked on Ning, which we've talked about in the past, which is just practicing not being affected, like not showing anything is affecting you,


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[Assistant] If you just sparred and were like, I'm just not gonna be affected no matter what lands on me, shrug it off, laugh, whatever it is, that's fucking great training.


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[Assistant] Because, one, you're learning ROOP. You're learning how to hold yourself in composure when things score.


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[Assistant] Which is really important in Thailand. If you, if your root breaks, your emotional composure breaks when something scores, it just became three times more valuable on the scorecard. So you need to learn how to get scored on and have it be like, whatever.


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[Assistant] And then the other thing is, if you can just pay attention to, like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Ning, like not being affected emotionally by things, that means your eyes can start watching strikes.


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[Assistant] Like let your super computer predator prey brain absorb the visual information of how strikes come out of bodies and how they move through space and the little tells that


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[Assistant] Show that a strike is coming, like, all these little things, your eyes need to absorb more of that.


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[Assistant] Like, don't worry about, how do I get past this guard and where's the opening and hunting for holes? I feel like...


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[Assistant] The emphasis on strikes is just way too big, even inspiring.


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[Assistant] And I feel like you could spar, one could spar and just train root in your eye.


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[Assistant] I know, it's very cool. It's still, oops, it's still going, right? It's still a very sad thing to me that you have the best female fighters in the world, and I guarantee you they are in Thailand.


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[Assistant] Man, there was that beautiful fight when Jo-Jo-Joanna-Joana Josturic fought Dunapa.


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[Assistant] Who did have a little bit of weight advantage but just fucking like outrooped her to death? I'm like...


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[Assistant] These are the best female fighters in the world, but their load is way down.


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[Assistant] And part of it comes from, I think, this like,


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[Assistant] Focus on Roop, that as long as my Roop is being maintained...


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[Assistant] In most conditions, and so they bring the load down.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, what's missing is that golden age value is really high load, really high root intensity, like through all things. And I'm like, it's a shame that there is a population of best female fighters in the world, but you know what?


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[Assistant] Their load isn't where it was when they were earning those skills.


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[Assistant] It's uh, it's just sad to me. Like, it's not...


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[Assistant] Maybe I said the wrong word, but like, it feels like a vast waste of potential. So, things like, Sao Sing pushing for more conditioning for herself and others, urging other Thai female fighters for better conditioning, that's a great sign.


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[Assistant] And now, after that last fight, she'll probably push herself even harder. I mean, she has the experience of being pushed very hard at Deshrott.


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[Assistant] Or Stamp going through western style or more western accommodating programs at Fairtex. Or Loma, I don't know what she's doing at Tiger, but I'm sure there's like a lot of western integration. It's kind of interesting coming late.


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[Assistant] Late in the careers of these women that already have unbelievable levels of moi.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's kinda cool. Any thoughts on that or you're all good on that?


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[Assistant] Okay, moving on, I'm sorry guys, that was a fucking long ass section of a podcast on Rook and Mindy Lake.


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[Assistant] Okay, to endure. So we've been trying to find, we're looking for Buddhist principles, Buddhist, principles of Buddhist practice that are reflected in or expressed in


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[Assistant] Muay Thai. Thailand's Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Integrated values, and we're, we like to, uhm,


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[Assistant] A lot of people like to extract the techniques of Muay Thai and apply them to MMA or kickboxing or what not. And this is about the opposite. This is about thinking about the ways in which Muay Thai embodies


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[Assistant] And if you pursue these values in your MOI,


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[Assistant] You might unconsciously find yourself being, practicing towards values that Buddhism shares. Uh, Sylvie is a Buddhist.


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[Assistant] I'm not Buddhist, but I find it a really interesting philosophy. So just for the understanding, like Sylvia is actually practicing.


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[Assistant] Uh, Buddhism, uh, intentionally to go along with her more, but she knows a lot more about this than I do. Today's...


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[Assistant] Topic or principle that we're talking about.


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[Assistant] Is Meta, right? Mmhm. And Meta is what? Compassion, loving kind?


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[Assistant] Okay, now I want to start this with you showing your Sakyong to the camera.


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[Assistant] Okay, put it up in there so people can see it.


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[Assistant] We'll put a picture of this on the patron post if you're listening as a, uhm, patron on Apple or Android.


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[Assistant] This is a really interesting thing and we don't even know if this is true, but for those


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[Assistant] Can you describe what your sock joint kind of looks like?


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[Assistant] It might be like Vishnu's bow or perhaps he's associated with the bow.


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[Assistant] Ricky. And he was way into, like, looking at details of Sylvie's account that she got from, uhm, Arjan P. Bang Katine. Katine. And,


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[Assistant] Full of secrets, like every Arjan has its own, his own kind of like, touch or turn, the way he particularly views a particular pattern.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so looking closely at a photograph of a Sakhyan, of a particular Arjan can be like really interesting to somebody who studies Sakhyan. And what Ricky said was...


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[Assistant] Altered the usual sacchion in this case, in Sylvie's case, to have the arrows shooting meta.


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[Assistant] And part of that, from what I understood what he was saying was, it's kind of black magic-y.


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[Assistant] In a certain regard to be like shooting arrows at somebody.


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[Assistant] On your face. It'd be like wishing ill on someone. Right? Yes. And...


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[Assistant] It touches on these things. You... I don't know, I feel like... Am I losing you on this, baby?


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[Assistant] So what he said was, what Arjan P, he said, I think he said, oh that's really interesting, that Arjan P altered the yawn.


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[Assistant] To make it shooting compassion or loving kindness on your fist towards your opponent. Our jumping knows she's a Muay Thai fighter, okay? In order to not make it


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[Assistant] A destructive yacht, right? You're not willing destruction on somebody. That's the


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[Assistant] So, I guess what we're going to be talking about is, what does it mean to be fighting with meta? Or to be shooting meta at somebody?


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[Assistant] A wall is too abstract, I mean everybody understands what a wall is, it's a barrier, but what


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[Assistant] Or some parts of Buddhism has the concept that if you simply tasted the truth, you would know the truth, you'd lose ignorance.


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[Assistant] That are being broken are basically the chains of ignorance, the barrier of ignorance.


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[Assistant] Okay, so is this something that you've thought about?


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[Assistant] A lot. Or just since we started talking about meta and your Succion.


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[Assistant] What are you talking about? Who believes this?


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[Assistant] Is it prevalent in the culture? You feel like Krunu believes this? I'm kinda confused. You're saying ideally or hopefully?


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[Assistant] But you're kind of making this up, like we don't know that. You're assuming there is.


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[Assistant] I feel this. I feel this. Okay, you feel it. Okay.


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[Assistant] But both fighters have been, have come in contact with a lot of Asian culture. Yes.


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[Assistant] To point taken. Right. This gratitude towards the opponent.


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[Assistant] And this goes to, so that's a larger concept of compassion.


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[Assistant] But there's also a more particular thing about Muay Thai, which is very not Western, which is...


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[Assistant] Tie scoring. And this, you need to understand the concept of root, which we went on for about an hour, an hour and a half.


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[Assistant] It's really important to understanding this, this aspect of what it would mean to fight with meta. Which is...


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[Assistant] I think, and we don't know this for sure, this is just our impression, we've been here seven and a half years. Ideally in a fight, you want to put...


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[Assistant] So that the truth of your opponent is revealed.


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[Assistant] Basically, you find the weaknesses of your opponent, and ideally,


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[Assistant] You break them, you make them crumble on their own flaws.


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[Assistant] Okay, I don't think the fight is yours to lose. That means something else. I think it's more... I don't know. In the West, the, the star, like, when you're, when you're dominating,


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[Assistant] You are the one imposing this force, right? It's kind of like, like almost like the quintessential modern version of it, maybe like Mike Tyson, the wrecking ball.


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[Assistant] Like, you almost don't even remember his opponents other than them just being like flattened.


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[Assistant] Especially in his, like, when he was in his peak form. He's just this wrecking force, right? There's a yang element of it.


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[Assistant] There's something about, there is a tie ideal and there's, I'm sure there's elements of that also in.


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[Assistant] Muay Thai as well, but there's an element of Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] That is really about showing the collapse of your opponent.


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[Assistant] Like, revealing their flaws. It's like you...


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[Assistant] It's like you found a building that was built and you like find where the foundation is cracked and you just put a little pressure to make the whole thing collapse.


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[Assistant] So you kinda, I feel like maybe I lost you.


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[Assistant] Non Kaboom would describe it, is like once your opponent has crumbled, there's nothing left for one to do.


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[Assistant] It's like now you don't stomp on the crumbled pile.


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[Assistant] And then, and this is game, games, there's gamemanship around this, where you like, pretend your opponent has crumbled when they really haven't crumbled, like, you like, create the illusion of them crumbling when they were actually quite strong the whole time, and there's, there's a lot of gamesmanship, and it's not all like, elite, high-valued Buddhism, but there's a value


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[Assistant] Beneath the scoring that has to do with this, like, like you were saying, like,


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[Assistant] You just kind of like, reveal the flaws of your opponent. Almost compassionately.


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[Assistant] I don't know there's a very fam- I don't know what the moment was really like, but there was a very famous photograph of some art and uh, pong.


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[Assistant] Arm around him like brothers. And there's just like, this unity of these two. And now Pong was famous as a Muay Kal fighter, just like, relentless, powerful, strong.


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[Assistant] I think an under-appreciated fighter in some art is just like the fucking matador. He's so slick and everything.


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[Assistant] Your flaw has been revealed. Like some art is like, all I did was reveal your flaw and he's covered with blood.


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[Assistant] I think he even got a nickname out of that fight.


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[Assistant] Tiger with the soft face versus the Tiger with the Jade face. Which is brother, yea.


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[Assistant] No, some art is the chained fist diagram.


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[Assistant] His opponent, yeaah. His opponent is the Jade-Face Tiger, and...


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[Assistant] Then upon became the, uh, tiger with the soft face. And so...


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[Assistant] There is this thi- you can get that in that photo, and I don't know the real story of it, but you get that feeling of compassion. This is what we're talking about, is where all that Sammar did was reveal the flaws of Nampon's style. And thi- this is something that, like, in the classic Fima versus Moikau, uhm, set up.


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[Assistant] This is how it kind of plays out in my mind, where you have, the femur fighter is like, I'm just gonna reveal that you are a low IQ,


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[Assistant] Power only marching forward bull, right? And so, I'm just gonna dance away from you all the time and you're gonna look like an idiot. You had this, uh, beautiful moment with Kara Haat and Samson when they were training.


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[Assistant] Uh, when they came to the gym together and Karahat kept making these jokes like he was


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[Assistant] If he fought Samson, they were together. They're like two Golden Age legends and Karhat's a femur fighter. How he'd just be like, oops, you just fell down. You just tripped again. Why are you keep falling? Like he basically was pantomiming that he would basically trip.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but that would be the femur fighter, uhm,


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[Assistant] Revealing the fall on the Moe Cow fighter.


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[Assistant] You're like dancing away, but then suddenly you're just performing, this isn't real. And you actually got that in this, uh, disillusioned sum art fight. It was like surreal to see.


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[Assistant] Even though there was a in the ring weight difference to see Diesel Noyne just like strip away so much of the magic of some art, like who is kind of untouchable. And you see the opposite, like the same kind of thing is that that fight was really about exposing the flaw.


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[Assistant] You know, the max hybrid fights at all, for sure.


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[Assistant] It's very interesting though, because then fighting, and we're moving down a line of thought, and this is not definitive of what really is the case in Thailand, but these are like values that we recognize in both areas.


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[Assistant] I think that's the satisfaction maybe in the Thai, the traditional Thai style thing that when a yodmoy defeats somebody and then like reveals them to be limited in some way, there's something satisfying in seeing, it's like you're seeing the truth instead of


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[Assistant] And there's so much bullshit in the fight game, like, to say it's the truth game is kind of weird in a certain regard. And there's so much performance and like...


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[Assistant] Feigning stuff, but it's almost like, yeaah, you feign, you feign Rup, you train Rup, but then really what, this is why the Rup is so important in the Tai concept, is that when you're fighting,


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[Assistant] Your opponent in a more traditional Thai setup, you're breaking their root.


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[Assistant] You show their flaw, which is why training group is so important.


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[Assistant] You were, you were making an analogy about that fight with the Ukrainian guy. When we talked, we pre-talked about this a little bit.


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[Assistant] Well, you were making an example. How that guy was being conditioned by those kicks.


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[Assistant] It was a very interesting fight because you had the Thai style was essentially just revealing the limits of the Westerner fighting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you added up all the points that landed, there were a million kicks landing, but it really wasn't about what points were landing or the damage that was occurring. It was like watching someone condition or train behavior in themselves.


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[Assistant] Like, and the truth is, everyone has flaws. Every style has flaws.


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[Assistant] What you're really doing is trying to overcome your flaws in the fight and not have them be exposed. But it's like, it's not like, oh I beat you, I have no flaws, you have flaws. But it's kind of like a truth telling game.


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[Assistant] Well, the Estonian guy was looking on delivering damage, and in Feralist it was a knockout or nothing fight, and the Thai guy wasn't trying to really knock him out, he tried a couple times, but it's like, the Estonian guy, if he thought about it, he could have been like, he could have been like,


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[Assistant] The flaw of my opponent is probably his cardio.


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[Assistant] So what I need to do is push his cardio.


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[Assistant] Like, I need to start teething him. I need to start staying on him. When he circles out away from the ropes, stay on him, because I'm better conditioned. And when his cardio starts to weaken, his roof will start to break.


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[Assistant] And then his flaw will show itself. This is a very fucking different thing than the western thing, which is just, how do I put damage on somebody? Whereas in the Thai concept, yeaah, putting damage on somebody is one way to break the root. But there's many ways to break your root.


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[Assistant] And that's why in Thailand, which is, you were brought this up and I cut you off a little bit, when you're in the lead,


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[Assistant] Going backwards is something one can do, because you've already...


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[Assistant] Assumed dominance and now you're basically making your opponent look like they're desperate and chasing you.


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[Assistant] Well this is one of the great things that you encounter in your fights because you fight a lot of backwards fighting female, uh, Thai fighters.


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[Assistant] Who don't have great cardio often, right? Yeah. They're just maintaining their root. While you're chasing them down, there's like this battle. It's a theatrical battle.


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[Assistant] They're trying to make it look like you're desperately chasing them.


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[Assistant] Are we rolling? Rolling. Okay. Whew, this is such an epic podcast.


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[Assistant] It's crazy that we do this. I think each topic could be its own podcast. Okay, this, this time, we're talking about something that, uh,


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[Assistant] Nobody, I don't even know on the planet who knows what this is about other than Sylvie.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's too bad. Do you want to pull over and fix it?


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[Assistant] We had the rare occasion, like Sylvie's been fighting at this insane bite rate for seven and a half years in Thailand. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah. For about five years. Is there a leak there, baby? Yep. Oh, here, I got that extra cup. Just put it right here in the...


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[Assistant] So, for about 5 years, maybe more really, you were over 30 fights. And then we set aim on the, uh, 30 fights a year.


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[Assistant] And then we set aim on the 471, uh, professional documented fights, a world record owned by, uh,


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[Assistant] Lenwick or Boxer from the 1940s. Uhm, and we planned out, well, it's gonna take 10 years.


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[Assistant] Maybe we'll be shooting for like 25 fights, like bring the fight rate down a little bit. And really the only reason to bring it down, it's hard to find fights, like Sylvie's become incredibly well known.


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[Assistant] We just, uh, actually, this in December was the first fine, first time in, I can't even remember, since there was a sustained injury maybe a couple years ago, that you did not fight at least twice in the month.


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[Assistant] What's interesting about the one fight this month and the fact that we had to scramble so much and came up dry was, for me,


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[Assistant] I just got hit and I told you, we were talking about this the other day briefly. It just feels like, uhm, without the fights, everything else we're doing kind of feels meaningless.


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[Assistant] Not the Muay Thai library, which has its own historical meaning. And the community of people behind it.


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[Assistant] But all the training, all the yodemoy reaching, all the culture changing, all the opportunity making for others.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it feels meaningless. Like, if suddenly you were fighting six times a year or even twelve times a year, it would feel fucked up.


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[Assistant] And you kind of were like, I know what you're talking about, Kevin.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but then that just becomes like a meaningless phrase. Because, what is it, like 1% less meaning?


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[Assistant] Like, it's like saying nothing. Like, you have to say, be more crystal in what you're saying.


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[Assistant] So he kind of like hung out with Tai Nakhmoy, would go to the mall when they would go to the arcade, like, he did...


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[Assistant] He lived all the things of... Oh, not anymore, but he wasn't a fighter.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's not, it's not the fights, it's all the fights.


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[Assistant] It's three fights a month basically. Like we schedule three a month.


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[Assistant] We fi- we finally hit a one fight month. We've not had that in a very long time. And during the year, during the previous year, we've had three fight months on purpose to bank fights in fear of there being a one fight month.


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[Assistant] But it kinda freaked me out that there was a one fight month. Like, basically, we were told that, uhm,


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[Assistant] The Thai fighter, female fighters of Chiang Mai won't, aren't gonna, don't wanna fight you anymore.


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[Assistant] And some of them are really big, like physically way bigger than you. And they fought many times, and it's just...


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[Assistant] Because you're just so strong in the clinch. You're hard to fight.


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[Assistant] And there might be other political involvements, like it's very hard to read the entire situation. We're actually trying to get back to Chiang Mai to talk to some people there to find out what's really kind of going on, but it may be that simple. But this is the thing, it's like,


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[Assistant] That fight rate, that three fights a month, for me, it makes


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[Assistant] Everything, it's back to that Muay Thai as truth telling.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can do awesome things on the paths and learn all this technique and work hard and get in amazing condition. If you're not fighting,


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[Assistant] There's something seriously missing. I don't want to denigrate people who don't fight, or don't fight a lot. I'm just saying this is our own experience of what you're doing, and literally no one on the planet is doing what you're doing, so...


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[Assistant] We're not really putting other people in this framework.


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[Assistant] Only you, but our experience of it. What we want to talk about.


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[Assistant] I don't, no, I don't like it. Like, I, baby.


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[Assistant] Sylvie doesn't like fighting on three round, uh, kickboxing type formats. It's not Muay Thai. Thai people don't see it as Muay Thai. It's not Muay Thai. It's this clashing thing. They don't know I will clinch, but...


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[Assistant] In almost any of them, I mean it's just not the path that you're trying to produce. You might have to, uh, fight, uh,


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[Assistant] Unfair situations, people setting up losses, like, uh...


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[Assistant] Now Sylvie's got kind of a name so people want to kind of like set up to fight their local girl and-


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[Assistant] So far we haven't had to take those, like, I don't-


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[Assistant] It's an area of Thailand where we purposefully have left it untouched so that if we need to move into it, uhm, it's sitting there as a productive possibility.


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[Assistant] Part of this is what I want to talk about here, about this fight rate thing is, fighters often, almost always, but often, sometimes not. I'm thinking about exceptions.


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[Assistant] Think about one fight or another that they'd like to have. Sylvie's had 259 fights.


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[Assistant] We do not, and nor have we really ever, thought of a fight you'd like to have.


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[Assistant] Because you're not defining yourself on winning or losing versus somebody.


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[Assistant] The fighting itself is the process. Like, you're maybe the only fighter, certainly from the west,


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[Assistant] You've had a lot of training and a lot of education, but mostly your development as a fighter has been through fighting. Like, hundreds of fights now.


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[Assistant] And that's the process we want, have always wanted to stick to. And now we're aiming at 471 fights. Who knows what it's going to turn out as? No one has ever really done this before.


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[Assistant] We want to see what happens, like what is the slow cook process of 471 fights. So when we think of fighting, like taking a fight or a promotion, we're not thinking of one fight. We're thinking five fights, 10 fights. Like if we go one reason why we've not fought in bouquet,


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[Assistant] A community take one fight and then depending on what happens in that fight, it could slam all the doors.


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[Assistant] If that fight goes the wrong way, that might slam the door on ten other fights that's behind it.


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[Assistant] We avoid one-off type fights like showdown battles versus this or that. What we want is hard fights. We take fights that often with big disadvantages, but mostly because the fighting itself is the process.


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[Assistant] At least that's how we've defined it, right? So, can you talk a little bit about that?


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[Assistant] Ethic. A lot of, there have been a few Thai, I mean Western female fighters that have taken up


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[Assistant] The fight raid idea, like Maggie was fighting a fair amount in Chiang Mai, Lisa Beerly was fighting a fair amount in Chiang Mai.


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[Assistant] Uh, this is Estonian, I think she's an Estonian girl.


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[Assistant] Maria in Chiang Mai, like, nobody really fought like this before, but now women are fighting like this more.


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[Assistant] It, there's the old quantity versus quantity, quality, which is ridiculous.


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[Assistant] As we've said before, the people who are like quality over quantity are people who didn't have a lot of quantity available to them. So people would choose


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[Assistant] Peak fights to define themselves and they would fight 20 times or 30 times or so.


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[Assistant] We've taken this other path, which is the process of fighting itself repeatedly.


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[Assistant] Can you talk a little bit about like really high level repetitions of fighting?


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[Assistant] Uh, who are well esteemed, have, don't have a lot, like a shitload of fights. How can you really know?


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[Assistant] What you're doing, if you've only done it 20 times, or 30 times, or 40 times even, like, if you're like, I was a damn good fighter,


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[Assistant] I fought 25 times, owned half three belts, whatever. Like, I only fought the best, whatever.


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[Assistant] Okay, cool. You were a great, wonderful fighter. Imagine if you had fought a hundred times. You had those 25 fights, but you also had 75 other fights, which were varying degrees of skill, like of opponent. Some very, very difficult, some easier.


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[Assistant] Whatever, a span of opponent. Now you have the experience of those 25 more or less peak type fights, let's imagine, and the experience of 75 other fights. Think to yourself, what do you know about yourself?


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[Assistant] After a hundred, or if you had fought a hundred instead of twenty-five.


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[Assistant] In general. In a way, but yourself in fighting like, like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] And... Fucking loves it, I can't believe how much that girl loves it.


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[Assistant] I want to get to, and this is not like an argument against people who want to take more classic fight path, career defining ways of doing things. One of the reasons why you can, a lot of things that make you very special in this, in that, it used to be that your size was like,


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[Assistant] And literally everyone can be a possible opponent. A 60 kilo girl can be an opponent. Like, not, you had to grow into it, but it created this weird, like, advantage. Like, if you're willing to take weight advantages, disadvantages,


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[Assistant] Huge weight disadvantage. Learn a style like clinch fighting, which allows you to, uh, take on bigger opponents.


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[Assistant] And then there's the privilege of being in


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[Assistant] Uh, in amateur pursuits, they're trying to get, uh, fight rates way up, and they've really successfully done that in the United States. And I know that Europeans fight in their kickboxing traditions.


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[Assistant] Others, but in Thailand, there's nothing like it. The opportunity, like fights to grow on trees. So.


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[Assistant] Okay, we just want to say that there is a certain kind of context for the opportunity, but I'd like to maybe strip away or think about


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[Assistant] What is that difference between fighting two days apart or six months apart?


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[Assistant] The same, the, the, relatively the same opponents. Like, what do you learn or feel or experience with that?


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[Assistant] Say you had a bad performance or you had, you realized some flaws or something and then you're back in the ring like two or three days later. There's something that feels really real and good about that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it was difficult because you never knew if there was going to be another fight.


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[Assistant] It really entrenched a negative kind of thing, which maybe is what that losing streak was the fucking best thing ever, because when you got into Thailand, you're like, fight, fight, I'm going to fight, and we took and made a...


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[Assistant] A commitment that every fight is fucking precious.


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[Assistant] And only our, like, it's only our fear when we take, when we decide to take a fight or not. Our only fear is, if we take this fight, could this slam the door on things?


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[Assistant] We don't want to take a fight that will cut off 5 more fights or 10 more fights. And that was actually one of the great things about Chiang Mai, which was when we were booking with Cobb and we're still trying to wake that up a little bit.


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[Assistant] It's like, we never even asked who you were fighting, like we didn't care who you were fighting, because we knew you just...


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[Assistant] He was just gonna make fights. And we could just stop even thinking about opponents. We'd eventually ask him, well, who am I fighting this time? Just so that we know that it's confirmed. Because when they give you an actual name, it's a confirmed fight.


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[Assistant] But it was more like, it felt very nice to be like, uhm, we don't even have, we don't even ha-


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[Assistant] So, I don't know, this is also part of my own philosophy about thinking about the path of things, is...


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[Assistant] I talk, I talk to Sylvie about like, the stone in the river. And I'm like, you put the stone in the river.


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[Assistant] And it will over time be shaped to look like the other stones in the river. Like you look at the other stones in the river and you're like, well that's what the river does, just stones. Right? And so...


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[Assistant] When you think about opportunities, I think to myself, well look at the stones that you're joining. So if you're joining a fight promotion,


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[Assistant] What do all the other fighters, what happens to them?


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[Assistant] What happens to other stones that get put in that river? So, I'm always thinking to myself like, I don't know, what I came in touch with in this month with the one fight, I'm like, I don't like the shape of the stones.


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[Assistant] The one fight, one fight a month river. Like, there's something about exposing yourself to the fighting process two or three times a month that starts shaping you in a healthy way.


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[Assistant] And teaching you things about Muay Thai and about fighting that you can't learn any other way. Like...


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[Assistant] You could maybe learn important things some other way, but not those things.


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[Assistant] And it could be quite good, but I guess what we're saying is we're talking about this because honestly nobody has gone this far down this path.


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[Assistant] As you have, like literally no one. So we're, we're...


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[Assistant] We're talking from out on the frontier. Like this is what we're discovering and encouraging the experience for others. You can fight a lot.


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[Assistant] I don't think a single person has even fought a single year like your average years, but you could do that for a year and just see what that feels like. I don't know.


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[Assistant] It's hard to do because there's a lot of political things to setting up fights and Sylvie's been very fortunate to not get trapped into political situations that shape opportunities. Like, maybe one day we'll write a book about that.


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[Assistant] I don't mess for it. It either comes or it doesn't.


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[Assistant] Okay, I think that was pretty good. Is there anything else to add to that? I mean, this is one of the things I cherish about what you're doing. That's cool. Stay to the right.


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[Assistant] I just, it's such a beautiful thing. It's like, oh you love horses? Ride a lot of horses.


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[Assistant] And w- and for ten more years maybe, if we can engineer it, if we can create the opportunities. And we're not saying this necessarily will produce the like great result.


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[Assistant] We don't even know! But what's amazing is...


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[Assistant] You've grown a lot and you're learning a fucking lot. And I'm, and I'm trusting, I'm, my own personal philosophy is like,


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[Assistant] The Death Star is not yet fully functional, but it will be. That this entire process of exposure to the legendary techniques of the Golden Age and documenting that shit, and then just keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting. And you can, you can build


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[Assistant] Bad habits. Fighting people much bigger than you. You're, you can get distorted. There's all kinds of things that can happen that aren't maybe positive. But the idea is, let the river shape the stone. Let's see, after 17 years, what that fucking stone looks like. Like, that's how I'm at.


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[Assistant] In Muay Thai Bones we try to do something technical, like some technique. Oh, let me adjust that.


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[Assistant] Okay, uhm, so, this, Morty Bones, we're gonna talk about something that I got totally obsessed with, Sylvia a little less obsessed, right? Like, enduring Kevin's- I actually do it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, exactly. That's Kevin's like total obsession. I might sound more excited about this, but Sylvie's excited in her own way, right?


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[Assistant] I'm excited. Can you lead on this a little bit?


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[Assistant] I wanna talk about all aspects. This is Muay Thai Bones. We just need to inroad and then we'll like shoot off. You want me to do it?


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[Assistant] This is a huge thing. This is, it doesn't affect every single fighter, but it probably affects a lot of fighters.


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[Assistant] A lot of people are good on, good with their hands on the pads. Or on the back.


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[Assistant] They either have combinations that they've worked on or memorized, or they're instinctive with their hands, they react well to pad holding, uh,


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[Assistant] They look like they can throw. They have power, balance, and what not. When they fight, they don't throw their hands. And it's like, what the fuck?


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[Assistant] You look so good, you have all these skills, but not accessible in actual fights. And...


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[Assistant] Big mystery because Sylvie's got beautiful hands, huge natural power for her size, like she punches way above her weight, doesn't throw in fights. Been a big mystery, lots of ties, blah blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] Something started clicking for me when you trained with Sagat.


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[Assistant] Who was correcting her on her... Who was a very powerful puncher. Who was correcting her on her hand position in guard.


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[Assistant] And then again when she trained with Samson, Assan, two legends, big punchers, western, skilled in western boxing, both of them had western boxing careers. And I'm like, both of them.


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[Assistant] All of them talked about the punch originating from either, with Sagat it was the saluting position, the brow. With Napopon it was from the ear.


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[Assistant] With Samson there was some kind of variation of where the hand could be, but all of them had the punch coming out of the defensive guard position. Basically, where your hands are when you're defending yourself is the very beginning of your punch. It's the first


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[Assistant] It is the initial, it's the trigger point of your punch. And I realized that Sylvie, but not just Sylvie, so many people, like,