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[Assistant] I, I, I wanna, like, when people keep saying that to me, don't die this, I wanna go like, You wanna die more for this. I, I wanna go, you're dying on, I don't, a little ant mountain. Like, I don't, why are you even dying? What do, no one, no one's, no one's given me a reason yet. Everyone just goes, I just think they should get the ball back.


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[Assistant] I don't know why, but they should just get it back. I don't, I'm not gonna buy that.


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[Assistant] Even though we have to bury you. All right. Wasn't it weird to, I mean, first off, I mean, century and a half is a long time ago, but I just found it weird with that game and everything that went on to like, I'm, I, you know, I'm a football historian.


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[Assistant] You know, the Browns, their playoff woes. The Ernest Beiner fumble back in the day going into the end zone. We had that. I just, to me, I was like, man,


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[Assistant] What I thought of was like, it's just funny, sometimes the correlation.


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[Assistant] Obvious ones where it's like, oh, it's man to man. I bet you he throws the two digs right here. Oh, he's scrambling outside the pocket. I bet you he tries to find digs right here. Uh, they are on the same page and you know, really Alan's play and then digs, you know, just addition to the team.


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[Assistant] To slow down the track for Lamar Jackson either, so I wanted to see him at full speed. You know, okay, a little snow, but just for optics. I didn't want it to change the apps, the overall game altogether.


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[Assistant] Uh, I was thinking that. I really thought that, yeaah, between Baltimore's defense,


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[Assistant] Baltimore's running game, and what I've seen at a Lamar throwing the ball at the end of the year, I thought they'd be able to throw just enough to keep Buffalo honest and win a tough, close football game.


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[Assistant] But that was not the case. And, you know, we're gonna sit here going to the offseason was really some of the same questions we've had about Baltimore all season long too. It's gonna be the pass game conversation. Yes, it has to grow. We see that. Now, you know, 17-13.


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[Assistant] And I think the way the game ended has made that conversation seem more relevant where I want to go, hey, he threw for 162 yards. It wasn't like it was a pitiful performance here. You know, Josh Allen only threw for 206. They're right there on the doorstep of making it 10 to 10.


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[Assistant] You know, at least you're thinking it's going to be 10-6 as long as Tucker doesn't miss some chip shot field goal there.


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[Assistant] The game was still in the balance there, even though they were down 10-3. Just thinks that Lamar got hurt, we didn't get to see it there, but I think ultimately it was the lack of a passing game by Baltimore. It allowed Buffalo to go all in on the run game. And one thing I've seen from Buffalo all year,


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[Assistant] If you don't have balance, they'll go all in and stop it.


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[Assistant] You know, they're good that way. They're smart. Leslie Frazier McDermott. Oh, you're not that great of a throwing. Okay, we're going to, we're going to really push the issue into stopping your run and make you prove to us you could throw it. They're good at that. And they continue to play those types of defenses all night long. And they had a great plan of attack for slowing down all the Lamar Jackson and Baltimore run


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[Assistant] But you're saying it right way. They basically just, like, smothered


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[Assistant] For lack of a better way, Lamar Jackson with just people and a lot of people.


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[Assistant] It was, you know, okay, our, you know, we got one linebacker here and we're all gonna slant this way to take away the run to the right. In a case he cuts back, we got a guy come blitzing off the back edge and as soon as he tries to cut back, it's just gonna all converge on them. They just had


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[Assistant] So many people surrounding the ball, they were very good at, oh, the pulling guards, let's get over the top and make sure we get into those gaps. And then really the big thing, and the thing maybe I underestimated a little bit too, you know, the two linebackers, Milano and Edmonds, their speed, AJ Klein, his speed.


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[Assistant] There was a lot of times where Lamar was running outside and those linebackers just ran to the sideline and got to the edge to where then he had to cut it back up and it became a three or four yard game instead of like we see him get 20 yard games.


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[Assistant] That's where the football's crazy. They'll look at that and go, man, we were in some even football game and we were this close to tying it and like, we got a chance to win and yet we lost 17-3 and it felt like we really had no chance to win the game at the end of the game.


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[Assistant] But that's another thing too, I'll say. Hey, the pressure was great. I'd like to see Lamar hit that throw. You know, like Josh Allen and Mahomes. He's got the arm strength. He definitely does. Right, he's got it. He's got it. And you know, the wind might have affected. No doubt about it. There's no doubt. It was a really tough night to throw the football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, those are the kind of things I'd like to see Lamar get a little bit better at, and I'd also like to see them get better overall at their passing game.


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[Assistant] Maybe I would, he wants to throw from the pocket. He can make any throw. His arm is very good.


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[Assistant] Hey, be patient in the pocket, do go through your reads, force those issues in practice and stuff. Yeaah, we know in a game you're gonna get out and run, but don't do that too quickly in practice, right? You know, oh it's 7 on 7, it's April.


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[Assistant] We know you can scramble. Let's force the issue. Stay in there. Go through the reeds. You know, try to find different ways to deliver the football and different ways to not only through your


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[Assistant] Your release, but, you know, the out-route where I gotta drop it over somebody, and this one I gotta drive in there, and this one I gotta throw it low and away, and all those things. To me, those are the things we're, we're missing. And it's not, like, imperative to him yet because he has his great legs and they can get him out of trouble a lot of the times.


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[Assistant] At some point in his career, he's gonna have to make that adjustment and I just, I hope he does that.


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[Assistant] But also I believe he can do all these things too. He needs the right coaching and the right people to get them going in that pass game. It does not lend itself to quarterback numbers or being easy on the quarterback throwing the football. We've never seen anybody in Greg Roman's offense really have success just throwing the football. So there's a little question mark there.


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[Assistant] They never had red zone interceptions, right? So, let's not start it yet. Let me just do it real quick. They're gonna play basically


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[Assistant] A quarter's coverage here, okay? Quarter's coverage, it's gonna be like four across, and Tremaine Edmonds, number 49, who's over the center right now looking like he might blitz, he's gonna drop right down the middle. It's almost like a Tampa 2 coverage, but it plays a little bit more like quarter's coverage. Now,


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[Assistant] The thing to watch here as we go, and don't go yet, don't press play yet, is he's gonna throw to Mark Andrews right there at tight end on the left. The guy next to him, Boykin, in the slot.


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[Assistant] This is the guy to watch here as we go. Now go ahead and press play, because Boykin's open, and that's who the ball should go to for the touchdown.


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[Assistant] Okay, and really, hey, Andrews is the go-to guy here, and just rewind one more time.


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[Assistant] The problem is, Lamar loses sight of him, and Lamar just stares down Andrews the whole time. And Teron Johnson, he's playing zone, so he doesn't have any man to cover.


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[Assistant] And I think he's sitting there kind of dropping in zone. And when he sees Lamar on like the second little gathership still staring at Andrews, he just goes, he's gonna throw it. I'm going. I might leave my area, but this is, he's patted the ball twice and now gonna throw it. I'm going. And he goes, and let's play this one more time. Go ahead. And you can see he leaves 80 voided.


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[Assistant] If, if Lamar had just seen him better, he's gonna throw an easy touchdown to Myles Boykin, and then just rewind this again back to the pick. And here's the other aspect, if you could just, the, the, the pick 6 is amazing too.


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[Assistant] The way it happened, cause everybody's dead, stopped in the end zone, and now with him catching the ball in the middle of the field,


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[Assistant] The Ravens came upfield to tackle him. No one went back at first. Until Lamarr starts to realize, uh oh, he's gonna come out of the pack right here, and he gets out, and then he becomes the only guy that's gonna be able to save it.


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[Assistant] But Tredavious White, what hustle to get out there in front of Lamar. Yeaah. And a touchdown by Tyron Johnson and really probably the play of the weekend as far as the playoffs are concerned. And that's the Ravens' MO.


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[Assistant] You know, the fumble out of the end zone thing. He's still very mad.


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[Assistant] And Humphrey, as you see in the endzone there, this is what's going on. And you can see the Ravens are a multiple defense, as you know. They do a lot of different stuff, crazy stuff. I wish 44 was moved up there closer to where the...


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[Assistant] But I guess that's how deep he was. But here's the point, and just before we start playing, just let me say this. There's a lot to defend with the Buffalo Bills down here. It's a lot.


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[Assistant] You can't really stop everything. It's really hard. You know, think about it. You gotta stop the great passing game.


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[Assistant] You gotta be conscious of him in the drop back passing game and not only their concepts, but


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[Assistant] Hey, we'd like to keep him in the pocket, because if he scrambles, he's probably gonna scramble and throw, or scramble and run for a touchdown. Right. You gotta think about, mate, they could run the ball with Devon Singletary. Oh wait, they run a lot of quarterback design runs with Josh Allen down here. Ran one for a touchdown last week against the Colts.


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[Assistant] So, they're worried about all these things. So where they've decided to cheat...


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[Assistant] And then if they drop back to pass, we can get out there and zone coverage.


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[Assistant] But the one area it hurts is a screen pass that's quick like this. Go ahead and play it. So here they are. So here they are still getting lined up. So yeaah, 44. So there's 44. He's out there. So now we got the two on two matchup. And yup, so one more time. So it's 48 that I gotta confuse. So 48's the guy they're trying to say.


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[Assistant] We wanna want you to be the third guy out there in coverage, but I also want you to be here in case Josh Allen keeps the ball in the read option or something like that. And that's what they're worried about. And that's where great offenses make you defend the whole field and it's tough to stop everything.


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[Assistant] Listen, this play is a perfect example for really all we have to say. This is a boring game offensively. We've said it.


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[Assistant] You know, it wasn't perfect. Allen missed a few throws. Damn, Gabe Davis missed a touchdown down the middle on what, the second drive of the game? He drops that. You know, Allen missed the digs go route, uh, cause the wind looked like it pushed it like 30 yards to the right.


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[Assistant] Here's one of my big takeaways. Baltimore still played really good defense. Let's not forget, Baltimore outgained Buffalo 340 to 220 yards.


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[Assistant] But Alan's playmaking, that's one thing. The explosive plays he makes that way. And then...


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[Assistant] It's been a long time. Never. I've never, I've never seen them play that kind of respect to any quarterback yet. Not gonna blitz, gonna play a lot of zone coverages.


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[Assistant] We're going to be totally conscious of not letting you have a big play or put our corners in a vulnerable position. That was about as conservative as I've seen the Baltimore Ravens play on the defensive side of the ball ever.


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[Assistant] He welcomes it. Because he goes, I can, I got a brain to block it up.


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[Assistant] If I, my brain doesn't work, I'll make one of you guys miss.


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[Assistant] And then he throws a laser down the field. And, or, or it's, I'll block it up and now you're blitzing it. You know, I got one-on-one on digs and that's, I love that all day. So that's where they're really tough. And that's where he's hit, hit to me, the Mahomes Rogers stratosphere.


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[Assistant] It's cause of things like, I see stuff, that to me is a big telltale sign, you know, that's just, it's not a lot of people are going to talk about it, but.


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[Assistant] That, like, screamed to me. Baltimore playing this style.


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[Assistant] And they tried to give him the okie doke during the week. This is what we do. We blitz. We're gonna keep blitzin'. You know, they tried to get Buffalo to think it was gonna be a blitz game. Yeah. Wink Martindale, that little sneaky bastard. Wink Wink. Wink Wink is right. Uh, he had something else in mind, but good game, good win by Buffalo.


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[Assistant] I still think they're on the shelf life of this team. I don't know if I'm going to say better. Listen, this year is still a phenomenal year. What were they? 12-4, right? I got that right?


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[Assistant] But could have easily been a 13-3, 12-4 football team. I still think they're in the window of being an ass-kicker. I do. You know, they still got plenty of good offensive linemen. D-Line, hey yea, Clay's Campbell, guys like that. Maybe getting up there in age, they might start thinking about retooling that. But man, those DBs, they don't need to do anything there. You know?


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[Assistant] Probably need another playmaking receiver. They just gotta grow the pass offense. It's gotta grow. They gotta get Lamar to grow within it. I think that can be done. I don't think Baltimore's going anywhere.


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[Assistant] You know, there's one thing we've been saying here on the pod the last few weeks. Green Bay has hit the status of, we can run it against anybody.


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[Assistant] We can do whatever we want against whatever defensive front you want. We're going to still be able to run it. You're not just going to shut them down. That's what's different about them from last year. You know, that's the first thing.


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[Assistant] Playing the proper game against the team you're playing.


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[Assistant] L.A.'s built to stop the pass. That's Aaron Donald, pass rushing, Floyd, Brockers, Jalen Ramsey. They're a speed, we want to play a spread football game and stop the pass game. Well, Green Bay said screw that, we like to throw it, but we're not going to play right into your direct strength.


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[Assistant] We're going to run the ball. We're going to mix. Can Aaron Donald handle double teams? Can your, you know, 220 pound middle linebacker handle a pulling guard? Those type of things. They, they played the proper way. And then to like what you're saying right now with their,


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[Assistant] Rogers is on fire, they're peeking, they're physically kicking butt, he is mentally kicking butt, Lefleur and Nathaniel Hackett are very creative with a few wrinkles in every game, and they've hit that point of where you just go, they're kind of unstoppable to a degree.


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[Assistant] You know, they call a lot of multiple plays at the line of scrimmage, so he always gets them in the right one. Then it's, oh you played


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[Assistant] Too heavy run defense? Okay, well we can still run it, but, oh, you're gonna keep playing that? Oh, well then we're gonna throw it and get easy completions. Oh wait, now you're gonna play two safeties back? Oh well, okay, well we're gonna run it. Right up the middle. And they can't stop them that way either. They have literally hit that point where you just go, wow, and they're one of the few teams that we've talked about where,


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[Assistant] That's what I love about it, the almond. Just flipped, it was the same. Just flipped, right. One was in the third quarter, the next was in the fourth quarter, the first time around it was to the right side, the second time it was to the left side. Exact same play.


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[Assistant] It's a, you can see a quarters defense here. Alright, they're playing quarters because they want that safety to be a little aggressive to come up and help in the run game.


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[Assistant] So go ahead and play it, Kristen. He's gonna run a little play action fake to the front side. You can see the safety's got up there. Really aggressive quarters coverage. They're calling it because they're worried about the run game and they're hoping they can scare you away from a pass play with a too deep safety look, right? That type of thing. Go back one more time.


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[Assistant] And, you know, because of the tight split, the corner 22 on the outside, he's gotta play a little outside leverage.


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[Assistant] They're running the ball successfully. On this type of play, they've already seen Aaron Jones run up the middle for 60-something yards. That safety got a little aggressive. By the time he comes down and realizes Aaron, Aaron Rodgers has kept the ball, it's too late and Lazard's gone.


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[Assistant] Really cool though, I love that they called it again. You know, I used to like have that every now and then with some of my ex-coaches where I was like, you know, the play would work.


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[Assistant] And they would just go, okay, that was it. Man, we went all week calling that play. We got it. It was good. That's it. We're done with it for today. And I'd come like a quarter later and go, let's call it again. And they'd be like, we already called it. I go, oh, I didn't know. Damn. We can't call a play twice.


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[Assistant] Like, it worked, let's do it again! And, uh, I think that's cool. That kinda goes, doesn't happen a lot in the NFL.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of moving parts here. They obviously have like basically two defenses called. This is not, and just leave it right here, this is not Jaylen Ramsey's fault. It is totally not.


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[Assistant] Well, he was, he was gonna let it be known. I don't think, you know, listen, I don't think he's like that. I think he, he's totally intense, crazy guy. That's the way he is. And he wants to win a football game.


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[Assistant] Okay, go to the, let the motion go, Kristen. And when it gets to the other side, just stop. When 17 goes across. So stop it there.


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[Assistant] Okay, so now within there, where we are right here, Jalen Ramsey thinks, hey, I got 17, right? And it looks like right now, like 43 is gonna cover 83 or something like that.


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[Assistant] But when they bring the motion back, it's all about an adjustment. 43 wants the blitz here and come off the edge. So now 33's gotta go back onto 83 who's in the end zone. So go ahead and let it play here. And this to me just wasn't communicated in time enough to where as this motion comes back across, 33 has to realize


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[Assistant] The guy that's going to be outside is the guy coming in motion. I gotta take him. I can't expect Jalen Ramsey to run through this trash and then cut somebody off on the outside. So there's supposed to be some sort of switch call. And if you want, when I was watching on film, there's a lot of communication before the snap between these guys.


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[Assistant] Goose. He goes. He just is a little indecisive and slow. And it just, it's too late by then. And he's realized he's messed up.


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[Assistant] Right, he's going either they're going to let him stay or I know the Rams and when we go away they might call kind of a little different defense now to that side and now if we come back can they get it all reorganized back again to the original way?


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[Assistant] That's why you motion and do things like we talk about all the time. Give your team a little advantage. That's what that does. Just simple there and back and messed up the rams who are going to have some cool creative coverage pass off there. But because you did it in motion with some pace,


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[Assistant] See, see, that's why I like you. See, that's why I jump on with guys sometimes, because I get sick of that disrespect. I'm about to jump on the Matt LaFleur thing and be like, nah, fuck everybody else, I'm rooting for Matt LaFleur, I've had enough.


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[Assistant] Cause it is, and I'm a part of it. I'm not gonna lie, like yeaah, I didn't give him enough credit maybe last year, and certainly this year I feel like until just about the last month, I probably haven't given him enough credit. But like,


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[Assistant] Huff's situation he's took over, they've done nothing but be great really ever since he's done it. He totally flies under the radar, does not make himself the center of attention, obviously has a good way about him, knows how to communicate with his coaches, everything there.


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[Assistant] They got, they got better the last six, seven weeks. They're tougher. That's all coaching. That's where it's like,


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[Assistant] It seems like Stephansi's gonna win Coach of the Year, like everybody's handing it to him.


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[Assistant] But I, I really like, as you just sit here and you think like you just, the case you just stated. Right. Two years?


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[Assistant] 13-3? And it's just like, woah, like, they got a good chance to go to the Super Bowl here? I just, I think it's closer than we're all letting it be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean the defense, there are another team you really, you know, another aspect of this team where you just look at towards the end of the year, I just...


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[Assistant] There's physically more stout at the point of attack up front.


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[Assistant] You know, you just, you think about the Tennessee Titans game in week 16, but really, a lot of these games through December.


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[Assistant] Uh, phenomenal. You know, some of the other guys, Lancaster and Lowry, who I've bagged on before, they've been a lot better. They've been able to find Rashaun Gary a place in the lineup more, and get like him, Preston Smith and Zedaria Smith on the field. And he makes plays. Uh, it's just a more physical unit. I guess that's just the way I would say it. And, they really have one of the most undertakings.


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[Assistant] Like, under-talked about, that doesn't make sense.


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[Assistant] Okay, under the ra- I liked under the talk with it. Under talked about DBs in all of football.


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[Assistant] That'd be good. But Jaiar Alexander, Jaiar Alexander is, is, you know, Jalen Ramsey, Marlon Humphrey, 1-2 in the corner conversation. Jaiar Alexander is in that next group of guys who you want to, 3, 4, 5, 6, he's somewhere in there, whoever you want to put.


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[Assistant] They had a good plan of attack of stopping the run game. Acres was good, but it didn't gash them, especially early.


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[Assistant] And let early on, they really did a good job of slowing it down and made it to where, hey, now the boot game wasn't effective and golf had to throw the ball early and he was okay, but not gonna beat you that way. And I give golf credit. He hung in there with that broken thumb and made some nice throws during the game.


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[Assistant] You just mentioned there. And then you get them rushing. That's where they're scary.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think that's the right way to phrase it. I think that's, that's good by you. Yeah, I don't, I still think there's belief in Jared Goff.


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[Assistant] But I think, realistically, they're gonna sit back, go back this week, next week and watch the year in review and do their re-eval, they're gonna go away and go, no, one of the detriments to our team was Jared Goff this year. You know, he did not have a great year. There's no other way to say it.


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[Assistant] They tell you that there's some organizational questions right now with Jared Goff. They're not going to just sign, seal, deliver, he's our guy. He had many chances over the last two days to go.


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[Assistant] When people were going, what about Jared Goff next year? He could have just said, no, no, that's our guy. Hey, we got competition on the team. Jared's our quarterback. We know that. Blah, blah, blah. I mean, that's Lafleur, if he was asked that. Andy Reid.


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[Assistant] That question would have been answered. He gave you a roundabout of, oh, we're going to compete and evaluate everything, which means they're not pleased with the position. And he hasn't done anything to just lock it down where they're just going to go, here's a bet of roses, you're the quarterback for 2021. You know, I think most likely he will be.


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[Assistant] I think they're, one, gonna evaluate the situation. Two, I think they probably don't mind saying some of this publicly right now to kind of light a fire under Jared Goffler, right? To be a little bit like, listen, it's gotta get better. This is it.


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[Assistant] Great quarterback ever, that's for sure. I've never seen anybody for this long be this consistently good. I mean, it's amazing.


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[Assistant] Uh, it really is. And his arm, since it's so great, it still puts pressure on defenses to wear.


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[Assistant] The Saints play too deep all night, and the Bucks were patient and ran the ball and did the right thing, but man, it's gonna be awesome. Sunday this week, holy cow, Aaron Rodgers versus Brady, my boy Blue versus my homie, holy shitballs, Batman.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna look at these a little closer. Interesting angles, probably break down these matchups too.


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[Assistant] What can I take away from that? Same thing with the Chiefs and Bills. That'll be interesting too. That game was close, don't forget. Yeaah, the Chiefs won, but it was, it was, it was in the balance for most. So, I'm excited either way. Yo, you the man.


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[Assistant] PFCPM Thursday Edition, along with Chris Sims Unbuttoned.


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[Assistant] The Thursday MegaPix podcast. We've done it with 16 games. We've done it with 6 games. Last week we did it with 4 games.


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[Assistant] Now, we got a stretch. We got two games to fill the full hour, but there's so much to discuss for the Conference Championship games. The four best teams still standing.


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[Assistant] For Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady to cross paths in the postseason that I feel like this is, this is one that's been 13 years in the making.


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[Assistant] Brandon Bostic, who had that onside kick, carry him off of his pad. And before that, it was Morgan Burnett with the pick six.


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[Assistant] Who, who fell down. Like, there was six minutes left in the game. What the hell are you doing? Run that thing in for a touchdown. What a crazy game. I'll tell you what. I mean, Packers fans have their Lombardi trophies. They've got four of them.


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[Assistant] But it's amazing that they don't have another one, haven't played for another one over the course of the past decade, but this may be their last best chance with Aaron Rodgers. We're going to talk about that game, but before we get into the games.


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[Assistant] Let me have 30 seconds for a victory lap here. It's been so rare that I've been able to tell you to cram it sideways.


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[Assistant] That I, by virtue of the Buccaneers coming through for me, that gave me the edge. We both had the Ravens. We were wrong. You had the Saints. I had the Bucs. I got lucky in that one when the Bucs finally woke up in the third quarter. So I was three and one. You were two and two straight up. I was two and two against the spread. You were one and three. Best bets, one and one. You are still


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[Assistant] And we're not gonna do best bets for every game, obviously we're just gonna do one.


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[Assistant] This week, because there's only two games. So let's get into Buccaneers five seed at the top seeded Green Bay Packers, Bay of Pigs for all the marbles in the NFC. Cold, snow, awesome. Uh, and uh, where you want to start?


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[Assistant] Let's start with the home team offense. Green Bay, when they have the ball, what should we be looking for?


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[Assistant] Well, they're gonna have a hard time, especially if Vita Ve is able to play if he's ready to go. And Bruce Arians, the head coach, has been saying he's in shape, he's been working, and that really puts a wrench in the ability to run inside. And as you said earlier today on PFT Live, good luck running outside.


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[Assistant] With Devin White ready to clamp down on whether it's Aaron Jones, A.J. Dillon, Jamal Williams, whoever, you try to bounce it outside, you're gonna get bounced to the ground by Devin White.


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[Assistant] Well look, it's going to be a challenge even though the Packers offensive line has played very well. David Bocchiari is not there. He's the highest paid offensive lineman in league history for a reason and it puts more pressure on the Packers O line to withstand


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[Assistant] Damn the torpedoes. Who cares if I get injured? There is no tomorrow. I'm gonna throw my body around. I'm gonna get in your face. I'm gonna get chippy. I'm gonna get nasty. Whoever can, can capture that.


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[Assistant] And maybe both defenses do. Maybe it's gonna be 13 to 10. I don't know. But I feel like that's really the challenge. In a game like this, when so many things are equal, who can light that fire?


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[Assistant] And who can capture that moment? Remember last year when we had Zedarius Smith with us in Miami? Yea. The week of the Super Bowl. And this was back when the Packers still had this weird, every time they took the show on the road, you had to wonder who's gonna show up and what happens and Zedarius Smith said we weren't ready to play.


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[Assistant] In the NFC Championship game, how can you not be ready to play?


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[Assistant] In the, in the game that vaults you to the Super Bowl, the thing you've worked for all year long, the Bill Parcells line that we added earlier this week, this is why you lift all them weights, this is why you do all that crap. This is the culmination.


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[Assistant] And, and, you know, yes, it's three hours like any other day, but it's not. And I just feel like whoever brings that, that greater urgency and zeal and desire to the table, I feel like that's going to be a huge edge.


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[Assistant] And, and they've fallen behind in so many games this year. At one point I tracked all the games and it was like every, even the games they won, they were falling behind. They were down 10 to the Packers in the regular season before it all exploded in their favor.


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[Assistant] They gotta forget about that, and I think they're doing what they can to set that aside. Both teams really need to forget about it, but especially the Buccaneers, because, you know, we talked about the 38-3 Saints win over the Bucs from Week 9.


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[Assistant] You can't let yourself think it's just gonna be a continuation of that because then when it isn't, you start thinking it's not our day. That's the most important thing to guard against is that mindset that can settle onto one sideline.


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[Assistant] That is, it's not your day. It's not your day. It's like, it's just like this whispering muse. It's not your day. And they all start to feel it's not your day. And that's when the Buccaneers have lost. When it starts early and they can't break out of it and before you know it, it's not their day.


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[Assistant] On the line for Aaron Rodgers, first ever NFC championship game at home when he won an NFC title game 11 years ago. It was at Chicago against Jay Cutler. Tom Brady is not Jay Cutler. Before we flip it over to the Bucs offense.


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[Assistant] It happens quickly, right? Because the best competitors feel that sense of it's not my day coming in and they reverse it. That's what Tom Brady does.


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[Assistant] But the cold accelerates it. I don't wanna, I mean, it's too much psychoanalysis, but I think this is real. The cold gets you to the point where you are, get me the F out of here.


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[Assistant] It's over. It's done. I want to go home. Get me out of here before I tear an ACL or get some sort of an injury. Let's start the off season.


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[Assistant] And that's what the team that starts to feel its slip is going to need to master and understand. And I think Brady is uniquely suited to that because he's been there so many times. He was down 28-3 in the Superbowl. And he didn't say it's not our day. He said it's still our day. Let's go win it. All right.


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[Assistant] Who wants it? Who's gonna go take it? Who's gonna claim it? And, uh, that's, that's why it's gonna be such a great game to watch. Alright, let's talk about the Bucks offense for a little bit against that Packers defense. We've seen it evolve. We've seen more no-risk-it, no-biscuit. We've seen more running.


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[Assistant] We've seen a lot of running this past weekend against the New Orleans Saints. What do you think we're gonna see as it relates to what it's gonna take to win the game?


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[Assistant] Which has done a very good job in recent weeks. The thing that really resonated with me, Bruce Aron's comments after the win over Washington in the wild card round when Chase Young was trying to stir that thing up with Tom Brady and there was a lot of talk about it. It's not like he was being malicious. He's just excited. That got the attention.


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[Assistant] They took it to heart, that's what Arians said. So they were even more determined.


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[Assistant] To play well against that Washington defensive line, and they did. That gave them confidence to play well against the Saints, and they did. Well, of the three teams...


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[Assistant] Washington Saints and Packers, who's got the worst? I'll do respect. Of those three, it's the Packers. So they've already shown that they can master the best. This is all rolling in the right direction for the Buccaneers at the perfect time.


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[Assistant] Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Rob Gronkowski, Cameron Braid, Antonio Brown if he's healthy, if he's not, Scotty Miller, Tyler Johnson. There's depth, there's experience, there's trust. Tom Brady trusts every one of those guys when it comes to throwing them the football.


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[Assistant] And that means something. Look at the weapons he has. Better than any weapons he's ever had in his career, top to bottom. It really is amazing. You throw in a great offensive line. You throw in Leonard Fernet and Ronald Jones running the ball. They used both of them last week to significant impact. Chris, let's make our picks. I'll go, you want me to go first?


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[Assistant] I think, I think the Buccaneers are gonna win. Now I have to be true to my preseason Super Bowl pick. I did pick the Buccaneers to win the Super Bowl. Let's not discuss any of my other picks from September. The only one that matters right now is that I picked the Buccaneers to go to the Super Bowl and win it. So I can't abandon them now. They're still alive. And even though they're 3-point underdogs,


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[Assistant] I think the Buccaneers go into Lambeau field and they do what Tom Brady was signed by the team to do. They punch their ticket back to Tampa. They become the first team in NFL history to host


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[Assistant] Why do you pick the more unconventional score of 26? Did you just not want to pick the same score I did?


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[Assistant] And I understand you can point to coaching and players and everything around it, but at the same time, Brady's got six and Rodgers has one. And at some point, that is a reflection.


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[Assistant] On the quarterback. It just is. For Brady to have six and then to go to Tampa and be on the brink of playing for his seventh, that means something. And I think what he brings to that team, beyond the quarterbacking skill, he has brought a rejuvenation.


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[Assistant] To the entire franchise, and we're seeing the culmination of it in what will be the 19th game.


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[Assistant] together with Tom Brady. So, uh, we both like the Bucks. Why don't we take a break? And when we return the late game, the two young future goats, Mahomes versus Allen. We'll get you ready for the AFC championship game between the Bills and the Chiefs when this joint collaboration of PFTPM and Chris Sims up, but continues and after this.


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[Assistant] It's PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button, the Joint Megapix Podcast. We're down to only two games, which gives us extra time.


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[Assistant] To talk about those two games. It gives us a little time to talk about other things too. Chris, I have a very important observation that was made by a viewer who enjoyed our program this morning, PFT Live. Okay.


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[Assistant] That's the problem. Somebody said that it was showing 6.55 a.m. at 20 minutes after 7. That would be right.


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[Assistant] That's you know, it is a very difficult and painstaking process.


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[Assistant] More important things. According to points bet, the Kansas City Chiefs favored by three, just like the Packers, favored by three. Chiefs at home against the Buffalo Bills. The team that ended the season is number one in the PFT power rankings.


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[Assistant] Not as impressive against the cults.


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[Assistant] Very impressive against the Ravens, especially defensively now they roll into Kansas City. Let's start with...


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[Assistant] Buffalo defense against that Kansas City Chiefs offense, which we assume will have Patrick Holmes. It would be a huge surprise if they don't. He's got that toe issue. They've got a great array of weapons. What do you see the Chiefs doing offensively against the Buffalo Bills defense?


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[Assistant] Well here's my thought and it was triggered by something you said there because last weekend we spent time talking about the potential value of the Browns reducing possessions in the division around game against the Chiefs keeping Patrick Mahomes on the sideline drinking Gatorade or as the case may be


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[Assistant] And then the prior week, it was the Colts. Reducing possessions, slowing the game down, shortening the game, and keeping Josh Allen on the sidelines. And Chris, in a crazy sorta way,


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[Assistant] When you bring these two high powered offenses together, and this is the thought that came to me when you said shootout. I started thinking.


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[Assistant] Which team would benefit from slowing it down and reducing possessions? And I can't believe I'm going to say it, but I think the chiefs would benefit from strategically and tactically


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[Assistant] Slowing down the game and keeping Josh Allen on the sideline. I think the chances of Allen being frustrated and pressing and making mistakes are greater if you force him to wait than if you force Mahomes to wait. Although I think the intuitive thought would be


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[Assistant] The Bills will be better off keeping the Chiefs on the sideline, I think in this game.


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[Assistant] Gradually and deliberately take what's there and move it down the field and don't try to force something, don't make a mistake, just go easy and slow and controlled, 7 minute drives, keep Josh Allen on the sideline and try to make them frustrated by their lack of opportunity.


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[Assistant] Okay, so what do you expect the Chiefs to do then? Do you expect them to push the ball down the field aggressively and get into a shootout? Or do you think they will be inclined to just take what's there and if it means slowing the game down and keeping Josh Allen and Stephon Diggs in company on the sideline, they'll embrace that.


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[Assistant] But remember when, when we were thinking they're pretty damn good, and they were thinking they're pretty damn good, and they stepped into the buzzsaw against the Titans, and then the Chiefs in prime time, six days apart, the Tuesday night game and the Monday night game,


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[Assistant] That kind of rattled them and it took them a while to recover from it and I think that the chiefs are going to look to rattle them.


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[Assistant] And, and, and due to them, what the Chiefs had done to them last year, the Chiefs were able to recover from it. I think Andy Reid and company will believe the Bills won't be able to recover from 17-nothing.


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[Assistant] Twenty to three. Twenty one seven. Whatever they could try to do early. Lightning strike. Like they did to the Browns.


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[Assistant] And the Browns, to their credit, to their credit, found a way to try to fight back, but I think that's gonna be the approach. Deliver the knockout punch as early as possible, especially if you got a chance.


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[Assistant] And look, the chances of the Chiefs blowing out the Bills are very slim, but if there is an opportunity to get Patrick Holmes off the field and get him off that toe, you're gonna take it. So if you think your offense can roll up a bunch of points and you trust your defense to slow him down, and you could get into the third quarter and you're up 38 to 10,


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[Assistant] Great, because then I can get Patrick Rahomes out of the game. That's another reason to obviously you want to win the game more than anything else, but I could see that there's just wisdom.


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[Assistant] In trying to break the bills early. Force the issue, trust your guys, and break the bills early. As Andy Reid said in explaining his decision to go for it on fourth and one late against the Browns, there's no tomorrow. And I don't see Andy Reid getting conservative now.


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[Assistant] And as you were saying that, and these conversations are great for me because it stimulates my brain, which at times needs it.


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[Assistant] I think that back in week 6, when coincidentally the Packers and the Bucks got together, the Chiefs and the Bills got together, I think Andy Reid knew they were going to cross paths again. And I think Andy Reid specifically engineered that game plan, knowing we're going to save the good stuff


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[Assistant] Alright, I'll do respect to the Bills offense and the Chiefs defense, but we spent too much time talking about the other side, the more fascinating side of this fight that we don't have time to get into that. What we do have time to do is make our picks. I went first last game, you go first this game. Who do you like and why and by how many?


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[Assistant] When we return, we're gonna look at some prop bets coming out of Championship Sunday. Plus, still to come, one best bet each and our Folsom Prison Blues pick. We'll have more PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button right after this.


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[Assistant] PFTPM, Pristin's Unbuttoned, Propvets Time Championship Edition. Let's get through as many of these as we can. Simple, easy, but compelling. More passing yards in the NFC Championship game. Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. For Rodgers, the over-under is 284.5. For Brady, it's 283.5.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what? I'll agree with you because the Buccaneers have committed to the run. They stick with that formula. Tom Brady will pass efficiently and effectively, but it's not going to be a ton of yards and it's not going to need to be.


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[Assistant] A ton of yards. Alright, next up, and as always, these odds come courtesy of Points Bet. Will Devonte Adams have 80 plus receiving yards and one or more touchdowns? The yes is minus 120, which means Points Bet thinks it's gonna


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree with you as well. He's their primary weapon, and I know other guys have contributed in the postseason, but it's still Devonte Adams, plus...


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[Assistant] A collection of other guys. In Tampa, it's anything but one guy. And the top two guys, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, who will have more receiving yards? Over-under for Godwin is 63.5, for Evans, 62.5.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go Evans too for a reason that I mentioned during PFT Live today. I think of all the guys on that team's offense. Evans is the guy.


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[Assistant] Whose life has been leading to this moment. Yeaah. That this is the culmination of everything he's ever done on a football field. And I think he's soaking in the history. My guess is he's following Tom Brady around like a puppy dog all week. Just soaking up anything he can about what it means to be on the brink.


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[Assistant] of a Super Bowl and what it means to get to the next step and win it. And I just think Evans


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[Assistant] In this moment is going to step up and give us the highest end.


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[Assistant] of the level of achievement and performance we've seen from him over his career. Also, he's three weeks removed from that knee injury that almost wiped out his post-season run and we thought when it happened that it did. So I think that Evans will end up having a huge day. Aaron Jones, Packers running back on his way to free agency over under 64 and a half rushing yards, Chris.


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[Assistant] You had 99 against, uh, the Rams on Sunday, but I'm also with you under Josh Allen, your boy blue over under 308 passing yards in the AFC championship at Kansas City. Giddy up, giddy up, Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] Uh, no line for Patrick Mahomes because of his injury status, and if he doesn't play, obviously the under-wins. I'll go over as well for Josh Allen. How about rushing yards? We didn't see much from him.


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[Assistant] Against the Ravens, 32 and a half. He had over 50, I believe, against the Colts. He had over 90 against the Texans last year. 32 and a half over under. What do you got?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree with you as well. Real quickly, receiving yards, Diggs, Kelsey Hill. Which guy has the most of those three?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go Kelsey. And the thing about Diggs, remember that game last season during the regular season when we saw that?


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[Assistant] Best bet's time. We have one each plus our weekly Folsom Prison Blues pick. We'll do that one PFTPM and Chris Sims on button. Continue right after.


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[Assistant] P.F.E.P.M. Chris Sims on Button. You know, we usually do three best bets per week. Last week we did two, this week with only two games we're doing one. We're also doing the Folsom Prison Blues pick, which is the one game that we guarantee as a winner if we're lying dead in a ditch, this is the game that we would


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[Assistant] Our money on. So Chris, what's your, I don't know what the difference is with only one best bet. Maybe, maybe there isn't one. What's your best bet?


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[Assistant] Well, but the Packers are favored. That's the other side of it too. That's why I'm tempted to take the Bucks because the Packers could win, but it would still be a winner. Really close game. Yea, yea, I know. And the Bucks end up covering, but I'm going Chiefs. I just feel like the Chiefs are gonna win, and they're gonna win by more than three. Alright, Folsom Prison Blues, straight up.


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[Assistant] Same thing, same thing. Yep. I feel like no matter what the bills throw at the chiefs, they've been there, they've done that, they're ready, they're at home, and


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[Assistant] They just have the better team on both sides of the ball. Offense is a wash. Defense for Kansas City is better than the defense for the Buffalo Bills. It's that simple. We'll see how it plays out. Enjoy the games this weekend. We'll see you next time for PFTPM and Chris Sims on Button. Have a great day.


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[Assistant] Oh, booyah, that's right, the Marlboro Man is back, Paul DeBurmatter. See, it doesn't really matter.


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[Assistant] And I heard, like, uhm, do we have a picture of something? A marlboro man? Something like that? Right? I mean, I don't want to get carried away here or anything like that, because...


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[Assistant] But, here we go. We're gonna hit on it all today. I mean, of course, we're gonna hit about my quarterback rankings again. We got a ton of questions, you know, from all the homies out there through social media. Paulie's got some things he wants to ask. So we're gonna really break that down. Gonna answer a few questions about some of the down the line guys. Uh, this is all quarterback.


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[Assistant] Podcast. Anything that anybody doesn't think I answered the first time around.


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[Assistant] We'll hit it here and we'll break it down further. That's no problem. I understand that everybody's going to agree with my rankings and I'm not saying they're all right, but Paulie B's here. And, and just so I start before I get it, big Phil, not today. He's coming in Wednesday. He had some daddy daycare duty. Okay. My, my,


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[Assistant] Yeah, right. He was very good. It was nice to have him around. Yeah, don't let him get too technical on you where you're thinking about everything in the world. Hey, that's part of playing quarterback or anything that takes mechanics.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you want to take the mechanics, but don't get so into your head that you're worried about every little thing to where now you lock yourself up and you can't even throw the ball or do certain things like that. Right. Uh, and Big Phil can do that. There's no doubt.


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[Assistant] I can't say that I got a whole lot of pushback. You know, I had a few that were like, would you really take Zach Wilson over Trevor Lawrence, right? I had a few of that. I had a few that were like, hey, I'm with you with Zach Wilson. I think he's the guy, right? You know, Mack Jones, I got a lot of where would you draft him?


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[Assistant] I've been around it a lot. I tried to explain this. Peter King, I know he wrote a little something on Football Morning in America, and I just, he goes, well how do you deal with


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[Assistant] You know, the Twitter hate and all that. He goes, I released your rankings. And he goes, I couldn't get over all the hate that I got on my Twitter page about you.


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[Assistant] I've been coached by some really smart people. And like I always say, my greatest experience is just to see


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[Assistant] Catching passes from Randall Cunningham and Vinnie Testaverde the day before quarterback challenge because they want to go to the field and work out a little bit.


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[Assistant] Being at the quarterback challenge and Dan Marino going, Hey Christopher, stand up. And he's throwing me, you know, 20 balls all of a sudden. And now it's spread far over the next year. So I've been, I've gotten the throw, catch for Tom Brady at practice when I was in New England there.


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[Assistant] No, it does not. You know, listen, we're gonna, first off, just, I'll hit the competition thing first. I think it's a little overblown. You know, there's too many, there's too many quarterbacks through time here that have succeeded playing average college competition. Like I said, when you're under pressure, you're under pressure. You know, no, I know it's gonna be different in the NFL and all those type of things. Yes.


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[Assistant] Throwing in the closed quarters and having to still be able to throw the ball accurately or with power, that to me translates to the NFL, okay? Alright, you know, throwing in the tight windows or coverage, yeaah, it's going to be a different receiver and better talented DBs.


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[Assistant] Those are things that are very easily learned. Like, okay, the speed's a little different. I gotta leave this guy, you know, six inches more than I used to my old receiver, BYU. That, I don't look at that. You know, and again,


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[Assistant] You know, we, we wouldn't have a lot of the great quarterbacks we got, whether that's Josh Allen, Phil Simms, you know, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Flacco, uhm, Big Ben, University of Miami. Whoa, was that competition that special there? No, it was not. So I don't look at that as being a make or break thing.


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[Assistant] Now, going back to the other thing. He played well the year before. It wasn't great. Then he got hurt a little bit at the end of the football season too.


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[Assistant] They opened up the competition from everything I know about that. It was like, yeah, we opened up the competition. They expected him to win, but they weren't just going to give him a free pass. He got bigger, he got stronger, and then he did all the right things.


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[Assistant] Don't put these college coaches so much on a pedestal like they know what the hell they're doing. I mean, Pittsburgh kept Tyler Palko over Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] Well, I, you know, again, I don't know what the, what the overall issue was there. I, I can't speak to that. Man, that's where I'm a little, you know, I'm in a little bit of a disadvantage. I wish I could tell you more there. But I can tell you in going back and watching some of the 2019 stuff,


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[Assistant] There's still throws and plays where I go, there's nobody that throws like this. And he's only gotten better. And I don't look at it as...


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[Assistant] You know, again, I'm not huge into like, oh, let me look back two years from now with a growing boy who's become now becoming a man and improved his game to think, oh, he's going to revert back to what we saw in 2018 or 2019. I just don't look at it that way, or I don't put as much stock into it, I guess, as, as, uh, maybe everybody else.


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[Assistant] I guess that's my two cents there. But there was still plenty of good, and then he answered those challenges. He did. You know, with, with, you know, blue stars, blue ribbons, whatever the hell you want to call them.


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[Assistant] Yes, I mean it does, but there's nothing to say it should bother me.


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[Assistant] It didn't look like it was bothering him in the film. That's what I mean. I mean, you know, nor does the results look like it. Oh, you mean the guy with the most explosive arm in the draft? I mean, hey listen, like I said this, and I said this a lot.


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[Assistant] Like, I had this conversation a little bit with my dad over the weekend. If, if, if you lined up Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson and said throw the ball absolutely as hard as you can, I bet you Trevor Lawrence could probably throw more miles per hours on it.


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[Assistant] But I don't know if he can and be consistently accurate and be at all in the weird positions and oh, you can't step into this throw and oh, you gotta jump and get two feet off the ground and do all that. I don't think he can throw it as hard as Zach Wilson in those positions, let alone the accuracy. Zach Wilson can continue, let's just say,


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence's fastball, his absolute fastest is 105, right? Let's say Zach Wilson's is 101.


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[Assistant] Well, Zach Wilson can do all those weird things in those weird positions and still throw 99, 100 and paint corners and do those things. Right. Where Trevor Lawrence, no, there's gonna be, and I love this, and this is where there's some improvement that can be had and there's untapped potential.


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[Assistant] But if you ask him to rip it every time like that, he's gonna miss, and it's gonna be, whoa, ball outside, whoa, ball outside. There's a lot of good, don't get me wrong, but I don't see anything on film to make me scared of what I, the Zach Wilson, the Labrum thing or anything.


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[Assistant] Sure. Right, right. And I'm not saying, again, Trevor Lawrence is worthy of the number one pick. He can do all of those things. All I'm saying is...


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[Assistant] Zach Wilson's special at it, from that standpoint. And, uh, bottom line is no, I'm not necessarily concerned about the torn labrum. Not at this age and where he's at and what I saw on film.


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[Assistant] Right, and I would think at some point, you know, they're gonna get into some visiting teams, I would imagine. I mean, rules are getting loosened up here all across the country to where he's gonna get into the teams that are serious about him. They're gonna get into the doctors they need to get to and figure it out from there.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think Zach Wilson is better than Trevor Lawrence. Yes, I do. Trevor Lawrence is certainly the safer pick. You know, I don't know...


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence, would I say, okay, if we had to measure floors, I'll go, yeah, his floor is higher than Zach Wilson, you know, because of his size, that's a great, you know, a great attribute that he has, you know, his, his ability to throw over people and do things like that. Like I can't imagine.


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence being a bust, bust, bust. Like, I don't. I think it's like as worse as it could get is like, oh, he's a number 11 quarterback in football, or the number 12.


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[Assistant] Now I don't envision that with Zach Wilson, but okay, with the size and the injuries and things like that.


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[Assistant] You know, alright, maybe his floor's a hair lower, but I think his ceiling's higher.


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[Assistant] That's where I get into. I think his ceiling's higher than Trevor Lawrence's. You know, that's different than how I felt as compared to Herbert Intua last year. Now the other aspect that goes into this, you know, is


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[Assistant] I think it's gonna be Trevor Lawrence's style. I do. I don't think it's gonna be a, we wanna gotta drop back and be Aaron Rodgers and pick you apart because our system's good and we got, you know, we know you can make all the right throws like Mahomes and Josh Allen. No, I think it's gonna be more of the,


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[Assistant] Predicated on a little bit of the quarterback run, and wide receiver screens, and running back screens, and oh, fake the wide receiver screen, and now we throw the goal up the sideline. All the things you saw Trevor Lawrence do in college, all I've ever seen Urban Myers' offenses do throughout time.


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[Assistant] I'm expecting him to be the number one pick. Okay? But no, I, I like Zach Wilson. I don't know what to say. But if you made me bet, I would bet you that they take Trevor Lawrence number one.


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[Assistant] That's not just perceived. No, it's not perceived. There's gonna be, if they were even thinking about it, they're gonna think, that's gonna be one of the first things they're gonna think. Wait, if we took Zach Wilson.


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[Assistant] And it didn't work out quite the way. Even if he got hurt again.


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[Assistant] People are going to go, well he got hurt in college. Why would you do this? This guy right here played major college football.


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[Assistant] So there's no doubt they're going to think about that. Safer. It's safer. That's where it's safer. And I understand that. I get that. So, and I do think that Urban Meyer took the job thinking he was going to take this guy all along. Right? So that's part of it as well. And we'll see where it goes, you know.


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[Assistant] Again, I don't know what the overall outlook of Urban Meyer's offense is gonna look like, right? They got Darryl Bevel up there. So I would think you're gonna see a combination of things Urban's done throughout his career and a little bit of Darryl Bevel and all that. Now if it was just gonna be purely Darryl Bevel's offense, I would almost go, Jack Wilson's gonna fit it better than Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] Well, Darrell's is like, it's West Coast light. You know, he came from Green Bay back in the days with the Farves and the Rogers. You know, so that's where Zach Wilson and that kind of offense is gonna, he's gonna try to, he's gonna pick people apart.


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[Assistant] But I don't think that's what they're going to do. I don't think that's going to be their offense. It's not going to be about, we're going to surgically destroy you five, ten, fifteen, oh, Zach Wilson rifled down the middle because he surgically got you all over the five and ten yard passes and now he aggressively throws a laser down the field and do that. To me, I don't expect to see that in Jacksonville, nor do I think


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence is nearly as ready to orchestrate or run an offense like that as compared to Zach Wilson. That's where I'll say it's different too.


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[Assistant] Take Zach Wilson. You got all these picks. You got a chance to really build something on the offensive side of the ball. And have some young receivers.


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[Assistant] And a young offensive line and some, some, we'll see what they do at running back to where they could grow and really form a nucleus and have a special, special unit, you know, a few years from now.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson with that right there. Hey, listen, I know he's awesome, but they're probably going to have to trade other things out the door too to do that, which is going to hamstring their ability to complete the full team and all of that as well. So it's a good thought.


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[Assistant] Certainly, but I, you know, it's all dependent on what's being, what's gonna be asked, I guess, to get Deshaun Watson. You know, as much as I love Zach Wilson and all that.


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[Assistant] Deshaun Watson is a top five quarterback. It's a proven commodity. We know what he is. They have real draft capital in New York. I know. They got all these picks. They certainly can. But just like we've talked about a lot, they got a whole bunch of issues on their roster. I mean, they got one of the biggest off seasons in front of them compared to anybody in football.


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[Assistant] They need almost, they need to improve their offensive line. They need a running back. They need receivers. They need a pass rusher. They need corners. They need safeties. I mean, you go through the whole thing. I mean, they need a lot of stuff.


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[Assistant] So that's where I get into, okay, yeaah, I like the Deshaun Watson idea, but what are you gonna have to give up for it? And with as many holes as you got to fill, now you get Deshaun Watson and you go, well crap, we still got a lot of holes to fill and we just gave away some of our abilities.


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[Assistant] Or they can maybe, maybe if they decide that they want to sit with Sam Donald and go with that, that's certainly a possibility. Okay, but then who is that quarter, they got to make sure they love that next quarterback if they want to do that. Whoever that, if they're in love with Mac Jones and do that.


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[Assistant] Okay, I mean, then that, that makes sense. You know, I, I, but I don't know. You're also leaving that opportunity of somebody else to jump you now and maybe get up in there. Uhm, I understand that thought of two, but I'll just say again what I said last week.


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[Assistant] I just have a hard time thinking, alright, with what you see from Zach Wilson, the offense they're about to run.


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[Assistant] The new offensive coordinator is Mike Lafleur. His brother is Matt Lafleur, and he has a quarterback that has those Zach Wilson


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[Assistant] Okay, and I just look at that and go, man, Zach Wilson's made for that offense. He's made for it. The Shanahan Lefleur system type thing. And that's where I love it. And that's where if I'm them, I'm running up to the podium.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sure. I see, I see the Peyton. I see, I honestly see more Eli than I see Peyton. As far as just the pure throwing style. But I see the Peyton thing too. I get it. I don't know if I necessarily see Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck is a much thicker, bigger man.


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[Assistant] Uh, that way, a little bit more of a true robotic, you know, motion that never changed. I mean, Andrew, look, you can look at him in college in the NFL. It was, it was always just rawr, you know, turn the front shoulder, you know, arm always stayed in the right position. I mean, it never really changed. He was a machine throwing the football.


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[Assistant] He was. Last time I talked to Andrew, you know, maybe a second year I was with him and I was gonna do a game when I was working at CBS and he was like 244, 245. It was one of the first things I asked him when he walked in the room. You know, you had Trevor Lawrence.


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[Assistant] I do see some of those qualities. I know what they see with the Peyton Manning stuff. There's some similarities there and everything like that. There's a lot to like about Trevor Lawrence. You know, their offense, what they do, everything like that. Hey yea, there's a lot of easy plays thrown in there.


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[Assistant] Definitely, like we talked about with Zach Wilson, the vice versa is.


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[Assistant] Man, Trevor Lawrence always got to be on the field with the better team and pros and they could help him out and people were wide open. So, I don't know, is that conducive to the NFL? Are people gonna be that open? See, that's where people make too big of a deal on one side and then they don't, they don't check themselves before they wreck themselves on the other side where I go.


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[Assistant] I'm not sitting there going, whoa, he's dicing these teams up. No, but Lawrence here at the very base, the size like we talked about is a skill.


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[Assistant] His arm is real. And if he could clean up some of the mechanical things, I mean, he definitely could be that guy that could have a top five, top eight arm in football.


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[Assistant] We didn't waste time with like, whoa, he can throw the swing route to the back. I hope he can. He's gonna be the number one pick in the draft.


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[Assistant] What I loved about him on film is you do get to see a lot of goes, posts, you know, deep outs from the far hash, uhm, you know, double moves, up the sideline, into holes, all those things, back shoulder throws, he's very good at that.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a, again, I know everyone thinks I'm trying to attack Trevor Lawrence because I made him the number two greatest non-professional quarterback in the whole world, uh, but I love what I see from him. I'm excited about him.


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[Assistant] I'm not as blown away like I told you with his throwing as I was compared to Justin Herbert. But his athleticism is greater than. And his ability to extend plays and run is a real threat. And he does bring that to the table. So there's a lot I like about him.


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[Assistant] Well, no, this is better than Kirk Cousins coming out. I studied Kirk Cousins. It was one of my first years really studying it, right? Because I was out of football and I was starting to get really into this.


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[Assistant] Kirk Cousins' film is not Mac Jones. It's not. And I would say coming out, Mac Jones' arm is more powerful than Kirk Cousins' right now. There's no doubt. Now, he's right. Listen, I like physical gifts. No doubt about it. You know? But here's what I'll challenge our question here.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of physical gifts to like. Again, this is where we're getting into the, I think the way he looks and things like that. Where I go, yeah okay, he's not like real real fast.


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[Assistant] He's got unbelievable feet like we talked about. It's, it's, it's arguably the best feet in the pocket in the draft. You know, I'm gonna give Zach Wilson the edge cause he's like a magic man there.


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[Assistant] But I think second is probably Mack Jones. His balance is terrific. Balance, shuffling around, moving, stepping up in the pocket, stepping up in the pocket, then shuffling and making a throw. And then, yes, okay, to our, to our, to our question, you know, point, it's not a rocket arm.


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[Assistant] But it's a real good arm. It's really good. It's really good. You're under appreciating it. And, you know, I like, of course love guys that can throw lasers like Mahomes and Josh Allen and Rodgers. Who the hell doesn't? But those are few and far between those guys that come about.


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[Assistant] You know, Mac Jones, like I said, Joe Burrow was my number one quarterback last year. His arm is every bit as strong as Joe Burrow's. I would actually bet it's stronger. His ability to push the ball down the field.


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[Assistant] Second on top of that, playing the position, it's as clean as I've seen since Joe Burrow either. Joe Burrow, that's what blew me away last year. I just went, holy quit, holy crap, the decisions.


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[Assistant] The pinpoint throws with these quick decisions, going through the reads and then still diagnosing the other side of the field in a flash and throwing the appropriate ball. Mack Jones does all that. He is an elite thrower of the football.


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[Assistant] He is, he's more consistent of a thrower.


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[Assistant] Hey, let's start throwing all the routes, right? Okay, I wanna throw a 20 yard outroute, I want it on the right shoulder. I bet you Mac Jones would hit the right shoulder more and do those type of things. Oh, I want this one to be behind him just a hair. I would bet you Mac Jones can do that too.


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[Assistant] You know, Trevor, Trevor again, because there's a few little mechanical issues, the ball can go certain places. Now, Trevor's gonna make a few throws every now and then. You go, whoa, Matt can't, Matt can't throw that 25-yard seam with that kind of pace like that. No way. But it's still really damn good.


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[Assistant] And it can still be really successful in the NFL in my opinion.


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[Assistant] I would challenge anybody. Why wasn't AJ McCarron the first pick? He won two national championships! Why wasn't he the first pick of the draft? You know, who's the one before that that went to the Jets for a little, you know, McElroy? Damn! They never lost! He should be the first pick of the draft, right? Stop with all that.


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[Assistant] Waddle was only there for a few games this year. It was just Devonte Smith.


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[Assistant] Two ahead, all four, okay? All four, healthy as can be.


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[Assistant] Alright, did you see what Waddle and Devontae Smith said last week again? They were asked about who was the better quarterback.


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[Assistant] They came out, they didn't even, they didn't even like hesitate.


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[Assistant] Because they know Mac Jones is throwing his ability to get the ball to the receivers with pressure around him. The lack of NFL throws that I didn't see with Tua last year. It was a lot of collegey stuff. It was a lot of like, hey, that's cool.


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[Assistant] But that ain't gonna happen in the NFL. Oh, that was a cool scramble against some team that's not as good as you guys. But you're not gonna be able to do that in the NFL. They're gonna be fast. It's not a legit scramble in the NFL. It's like what I went back to with Johnny Manziel. And Johnny Manziel, everybody was trying to tell me, this is the first pick of the draft, second pick of the... No, he wasn't the first round pick.


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[Assistant] Everybody got excited because he ran around, you know, Alabama at the time who had no speed on the edge of their team. No fast guys. That is what changed Urban Meyer.


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[Assistant] And I went, okay, yeah, he did all that. But then when I watched the Florida and LSU game, he couldn't run around for crap because they had NFL defense ends. And that's where I went, whoa, so wait, the throwing's not first round elite and the athleticism is not first round elite. I know it's awesome in college and he can win the Heisman and all that, but that doesn't mean it translates to the NFL.


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[Assistant] This game, what I'm getting back to now, is Mac Jones' game translates in the NFL way more than Tua. And the other thing that I'll keep saying, I said this to a few people like on TV and radio this last week,


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[Assistant] The way they called the game in general tells me they knew that Mack Jones was the better quarterback than Tua. There was more aggressive play calling, more- Without a doubt. It was a different offense than Tua. Tua was a lot of RPOs and screens and we're gonna pick four guys for this one guy and just throw to that guy.


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[Assistant] Oh, we've thrown this slant three times now, let's run this slant, go. This guy, they were going, hey, drop back, we'll protect you, we're gonna send this guy in a 20-yard post, this guy in a 20-yard out, the backside guy's gonna be running a 20-yard in-cut, and we want you just to stand in there and, you know, get a little pressure, move around and make the throw. I mean, that to me spoke volumes, too, to think like, ooh, they're calling it a more aggressive,


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[Assistant] And that's where I'll again, Mac Jones, I know it's not sexy.


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[Assistant] Like, third down and six, I think he can go scramble and get it. I don't think that's going to be a problem. I've seen enough to think that is capable, you know.


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[Assistant] It's not really run, I'm just saying can Mac Jones third and sixth go, let me look at the out to the left, oh let me look at the end cut in the middle, oh let me look at the other end cut to the right, oh nothing's there, oh look the red seed parted and I can maybe get seven yards, he can do that.


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[Assistant] It's not like that slow to where I'm like, whoa, let alone I see so many times where he's running up in the pocket and he's like, ooh, I might run. And then he realizes, whoa, they're closing in the second level, the linebackers and he throws a dart.


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[Assistant] Right, you know, through their ear hole there to get a 15 or 20 yard completion too. So again,


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[Assistant] We have the question. I am all about, like, yes, elite abilities and skills. Anybody that's listening to me is doing all that. I'd be the first to go.


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[Assistant] Whoa, I don't think this guy's got it. This is scary. I mean, are you kidding me? He's some slow, square, white guy, right? With not a huge, powerful arm. Okay, no, that's not the case.


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[Assistant] He's a guy that doesn't look great in his uniform that has unbelievable feet, bounces around, he's got a tennis background, so all that shows on the field.


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[Assistant] You know, his ability to move his feet and do that. And then he's a high level thrower. He is. And that's where, again, if you're thinking about quarterback movement all the time, no, maybe he's not your guy.


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[Assistant] But if you're really in a system where, hey, we value the drop back pass game and a guy that can move within the pocket and make throws there, he is, he's still damn special that way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, I think the biggest thing would be field in the, field in the pocket. My only negative, and we'll start to dive into Kellerman here, is I wish he would move and play backyard football a little bit more within the pocket. But, after that,


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[Assistant] That's about it. His arm's not as powerful as Mond. He's not as athletic. The release is comparable.


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[Assistant] I would say Mac Jones can throw, has shown me the ability to throw the ball from, you know, different ways under pressure. Oh, I gotta get real tight and loft it. Oh, I gotta get real tight and drive the football. You know, he, he's shown me the ability to do more that way than Calamon. The pure raw ability though,


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[Assistant] No, Mond has more. Mond is, like Mond looks like a guy to me that could run low four fives in the 40. And then his arm is explosive. The ball absolutely explodes off of his hands. Let alone, you know, I'm not going to say he's good at reading things quite yet as Mac Jones.


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[Assistant] But it's up there. I'm gonna go, you know, Zach Wilson and Mack Jones are ready to read and do all that stuff the NFL way. Monda's not far behind that. You know, he ran more...


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[Assistant] Pro quarterback stuff than even Trevor Lawrence did at Clemson as far as just going through reads and doing that type of stuff. You think he had more responsibility at the line? I don't know if it's more responsibility at the line. I just saw, I think there's more pro concepts in general to where he go. Like I talked about with Trevor Lawrence, a lot was like,


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[Assistant] Hey, it's uh, one on one, I'm gonna throw the fade. Oh, one on one and, you know, I'll throw the back shoulder.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's one on one. Let me throw the out route. And then it was with Trevor Lauren, you know, more of Trevor Lauren stuff. Let me throw the bubble screen. Okay, the bubble screen. Ooh, they're getting antsy on the bubble screen. I'm gonna fake the bubble screen. Now I'm gonna throw a hole shot up the right sideline. It's a lot of that. There's not as much of...


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[Assistant] You know, I'm looking at one to my left and two down the middle and three just, you know, to the right middle and then four across the field. No, when it comes to that,


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[Assistant] You know, Wilson, Mac Jones, Kellen Mann did more of that than Trevor Lawrence. And that's not, I'm not worried, I've seen enough to know Trevor Lawrence can do it. Again, that's not a knock on Trevor Lawrence, just so everybody...


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[Assistant] This is where we get into evaluating quarterback. I don't watch film and go, Kellen Mann was turning down wide open bombs down the field. I actually go, holy crap, that wasn't really open. They don't, there was nothing there that I went, whoa, he's, man, I'm watching these games and he's missing 50 yard posts down the middle. Every game.


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[Assistant] That's not on Kellen Mann. That's on the coaches and whatever else. That's their fault. When those opportunities were there, damn, he stripes it.


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[Assistant] He really does. He throws the appropriate ball more times than not. You know, so again, yeaah, when I look at the struggles of their offense, because I always go look at the worst games and things like that, right?


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[Assistant] When I looked at him in a lot of those games, I didn't come away going, Kellen Mann was the problem. Yeaah, I know, he went 11 for 34 against LSU. What did you see there? Well, I saw one probably


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[Assistant] 5, 6, 7 balls dropped that could have got it closer to 50%. Where I go like, and I'm not just saying like, oh, the guy got a finger on it as a drop. I'm talking like drop. Like the ball hit him in the stomach. The ball was right in front of his face. Like, so there was a few drops there. And then, listen, I know there's


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[Assistant] People in college football that think Jimbo Fisher's offense is predictable as hell. I've heard it too much. And then when I turn on games like LSU and


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[Assistant] I see LSU versus other opponents and going, they don't run this defense, but here they are against A&M, and they're doubling this guy, or doubling that guy, or, you know, in some zone blitz and they've all gone to one area. You know, there was a lot of plays where I go, well, where do you want Kelvin Mond to throw the football? Again, that's where I get into,


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[Assistant] It's hard. I don't know what to say. You're not gonna have good stats. And to me, when I saw those type of games more than not, I looked at it more as just like, no, the offense is failing. It's not Kellen Mond. And I would say, even in some of the games where the stats are good, I go,


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[Assistant] The incompletions are even good. That's what I like. There's, the decision's not bad, and the ball's thrown in the appropriate spot of incompletions, right? To where, you know, you might have a corner route, and okay, he's got, you know, the corner route, he thinks he might have it, but there's a, maybe a corner, a zone corner underneath.


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[Assistant] He puts it in a spot where, oh, maybe the receiver can just get it, but the corner's not gonna get it intercepted or do anything like that. So, I, I don't look at those issues as being Kellen Man issues is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Not totally, no. It's not. You know, again, Jermarcus Russell had a litany of issues, right? So that means nothing. Ponder, hey, I'll sit there. You know, again, if I was in this business and I'm just, I was just sitting out of football that year,


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[Assistant] I argued with a lot of people that year that were coaches in the NFL.


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[Assistant] That were like, what do you see about Christian Ponder that makes you think he's a top 10 pick?


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[Assistant] Then a ponder. Okay, Jermarcus Russell's talent was amazing, but it was just all arm strength and it was very raw. Mond has a true chance to be everything you want as an NFL quarterback. Compendent, like compared to Jameis Winston, his arm's more powerful than Jameis Winston. His decision making's better than Jameis Winston.


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[Assistant] There's no doubt about that. So I look at it from that standpoint, and I just look at too many positives of the decisions, the appropriate throws, and then the high-end talent. And again, what I, all I go back to is, I wish we saw more backyard football and him moving around and doing things like that.


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[Assistant] And I wish he wouldn't be so tight with the football. And he would just let it relax a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that to me, that's why I got, that's why I put Mon 4 and that was exactly, that's a great question and that's what I broke it down to basically. You know, it's easier to fix Mon's issues. Mon's issues are, you can just,


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[Assistant] Hey, 1, 2, 3, hey, get out, you're too good of an athlete. In fact, early on in his career, you might just go, hey, I want you to go 1 to 2, and they're not open, get out and move, and make something happen. He throws the ball at an elite level on the run. I mean, it's elite. Everything he does throwing, Paul, is elite to me. It really is. Let alone,


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[Assistant] I can't take it anymore. I need to throw this one. I need to fit a big play in here for my, for my draft highlight tape. No, he just, okay, it's gonna be ugly today. We're gonna have to gut it out. We won the football game, you know, in the SEC with a tough schedule. Uhm, but it is easier to fix the scrambling and doing that than it is to


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[Assistant] He's not nearly the decision-maker Bond is either. You know, so that, it's like a double whammy. You know, with fields, you got, yea, the mechanical issues, alright, but then that goes into, hey, it's a lot of like, look at the first guy, oh, and then he just, he looks to run. He's almost too backyard-y at times, and if,


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[Assistant] He sits within the pocket and goes through reads. It's definitely not as clean as Mond either. It can, when he does that, there's times where I go, woah, don't do that, or woah, that's a risky decision. Uh, and Mond has the advantages in those scenarios as well.


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[Assistant] I'm way more excited to see what I s- from what I see with this guy than I do Daniel Jones. I'm more excited than what I saw from Tua last year. For sure. I'm more excited than what I saw from Dwayne Haskins a few years ago.


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[Assistant] So from that standpoint, you know, I look at it, and I told you before, I think a lot of the things I like the way his mechanics are, there's a little Colin Kaepernick style to that. Hey, listen, I'm not trying to get anything into the politics or anything like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a little bit of the motion, except I think he's a more diverse thrower than Kaepernick was coming out. Kaepernick only had like one or two clubs. It was the rifle, and then it was like, he had a, you know, a three iron. This kid has all the clubs to go along with it. But, you know, to me, this is the guy that,


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[Assistant] Narratives out there on the news and this people saying that and this and


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[Assistant] No, this is the guy that's, you know, the diamond in the rough this year that people are sleeping on that I go, he's NFL ready and he has the NFL talent to go along with it.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna guess he'd be there at 20. He might be. You know, he might be. Listen, I don't know. I might be the only guy that sees it this way. We'll see where we go here. You know? But you look at like the...


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[Assistant] You know, I look at a team like Washington, and again, they're gonna have to do their homework and meet this kid and do all of that.


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[Assistant] But this is where, like, they're, they're, we don't expect them to, like, be in the Super Bowl this year. They do need a quarterback. This kid's mature with the way he plays the position.


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[Assistant] He could go in there and he could play Alex Smith type ball where he just, hey, don't make a mistake, we got an awesome defense. When he's open, you throw a rifle in there. We like that. Right. Too easy. Too easy.


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[Assistant] Okay, here's one for you. The Patriots, I do think he'd fit some of what the Patriots want to do. I do. Again, I think he could.


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[Assistant] Run some of that, what they want to do, the Cam Newton stuff maybe, with the way that's built, because he's athletic. And I do think he can go through reads and be a pinpoint thrower for the Patriots. I do. I don't know if they feel that way or if they'd want to go that route.


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[Assistant] I think he fits the Shanahan system. I think he's got everything that Kyle would want. Yeah, I do. You know, again, I see touch. I see.


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[Assistant] You know, anticipation, I see phenomenal throws with no room in the pocket. I'm talking like, he can do some of the Zach Wilson stuff to where like,


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[Assistant] There's a throw, he throws a post in the North Carolina game at the end of the year.


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[Assistant] There's a post, he's 30 yards down the field, he's got no room to throw it, it's barely about to come open. And he kinda just, huh, like with people around him, and puts the ball in a spot where the guy can go get it. There's so many of those throws, down the middle of the field, outside the numbers that are in tight windows, where I just go,


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[Assistant] Man, that was perfect, let alone, like I said, he can really, really throw it and step on the gas, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I had no problem with that. I think this guy's being really overlooked. Yeah. I, I'm, we'll see where this goes. We could have an entire Kellerman podcast. I'm excited to see where this, this conversation goes with this guy.


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[Assistant] Yes, he's, he's more raw with some of the throwing and stuff like that, though, within the pocket. Like, and I know this person's obviously been listening, because one of my things with Sam Darnold was he was great with backyard football. I didn't always love him when it was just like, hey, stand in the pocket.


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[Assistant] And throw that 25 yard, you know, crossing route with some authority and put it on the money. That's when he would be off a little bit.


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[Assistant] He was actually better when he was moving around and on the run and shuffling up in the pocket and doing those type of things. He's really good that way. But no, Fields' issues are greater than that. They are.


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[Assistant] Well, just, you know, the overall accuracy of the football at times, you know, it's less than what Sam Dornals was and what I was explaining back then. Now he's a better athlete and we talked about that and he has real size. But as we mentioned a few times in the last podcast when we broke this down a little bit, you know,


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[Assistant] There's, there's, you can't really take anything for granted as far as a throw or a completion with Justin Fields. When he's on his game, it looks pretty and you go, wow, that's really good. But like what we talked about, there's just too many