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[Assistant] Foles in that Doug Peterson offense, it's the same offense. I mean, Doug Peterson was the guy before Matt Nagy. So, you know, again, well, there'll be some words that are a little different. You know, lion might be the slant on one offensive scheme and then the other scheme, it's bangle means slant. So,


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[Assistant] And everything they did. John DeFilippo was doing a lesser than version of the Doug Peterson, Matt Nagy type offense too. So, you know, I'm not, I don't mean to say, maybe I misspoke. I don't need to say it. He knows it more than Trubisky to our buddy who asked this question, but he's going to know it every bit as well as Trubisky is what I should have said.


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[Assistant] Well, the guy that just made Nick Foles leave town, and that's Gardner Minshew. Oh, Minshew the Ginsu. Right? I mean, hey, there's, I, I, listen, and we'll talk about this because I had Gardner Minshew at 29. I really, 29 and 30, and we'll talk about it in a minute.


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[Assistant] I had him flipped and I kind of was torn between which way to go and I'll tell everybody what the tiebreaker is when we unveil that. But Gardner Mintchew, again, he's, he's an exciting football player.


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[Assistant] First off, he brings something to the team and the organization more than what's on the field. And do I take that into account? You know, when I'm sitting here ranking these players? Hey, when it's two players that I think physically are the same?


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[Assistant] But I think one guy has an edge about him and has some natural leadership.


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[Assistant] You see the fan base rally around him, you could tell the team rallies around him. He's got an edge in which he plays. You know, Paul, he's big and he can make some things happen when there's nothing there to be had. He is a good athlete.


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[Assistant] You know, and he's a good thrower. I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's a great arm. It's, it's below NFL starting quarterback average arm. That's the truth of the matter.


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[Assistant] Because of being an athlete, because he's natural at the position, and because what I really believe is his greatest strength is


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[Assistant] Throws between 10 and 25 yards, you know, intermediate type passes. He is a phenomenal thrower of those types of, of those balls there.


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[Assistant] You know, whether it's a quick fade down the sideline, right? Paul, you go look at his highlights. There's lots of big time throws, one on one coverage. He's aggressive. He sees one on one. He goes, I'm going to be, I got confidence in myself. I'm going to put the ball in a place where I know my guy can get it. And he can do it anyway he wants. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] Right, you know, and I remember that because we had this little discussion on deep balls, I can't remember if I did, we did it on pro football talk, where


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[Assistant] You know, deep balls to me are 40 plus yards, that type of arm, right? I'm, maybe I'm different. Intermediate to me is somewhere between 15 and 25 or really


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[Assistant] Between 10 and 30, right? I mean, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady can throw the ball 25 yards with their pinky fingers. I mean, you know, so that, that to me is not deep ball, but nonetheless.


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[Assistant] Things that I, okay, let me, oh, that's, hey, I forgot he did that well and he does this bad. And that was the thing that I came away with with Gardner Minshew is those types of throws that you just mentioned. You know, even


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[Assistant] The deep crossing routes, you know, anywhere from 10 to 22 yards. It doesn't matter the coverage of its tight man zone, whatever it is.


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[Assistant] But he has a lot of the traits to be that guy, certainly, and he can make plays. You know, we'll see. I still have questions about...


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[Assistant] Well, I think he's got great feel, touch, you know, and accuracy, that's for sure. Now, again, when you need a 45 yard missile post down the middle,


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[Assistant] That's not going to be like his strength. That's not, he's not, you know, off his back foot throwing two jet wasps like Patrick Malone's. No, he's not going to be able to do that either. So, you know, again, he's got great feel. He's got an aggressive nature about him. He's looking to make plays that way and


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[Assistant] Yes, he's good. He's good at that area. But when I talk about arm strength too, it's more than just deep balls. You know, I also can tell you when I went back to watch film and hey, he needed to throw a hundred mile per hour fastball into a tight window. Let's say a receiver is running a 15 yard in cut. He couldn't always.


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[Assistant] You know, Gardner Minshew feasted on the week a little bit, certainly statistically as far as defenses are concerned.


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[Assistant] And the game had to be played a certain way too, to where, you know, he was protected and game managing to a degree, but had a good...


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[Assistant] Feel of, okay, I'm managing the game, but now is the time for me to get into backyard football and start scrambling around and make a play that way. And for that, I give him a lot of credit because when he does do it, he's not careless with the football either. And that's impressive for a young quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, what I would say is you got a guy that's played a lot of football and he's very natural at the position. And while his physical tools might not blow you out of the water like a Drew Locke, because Drew Locke can make some throws and you just go, whoa, like that ball exploded out of his hand. What a throw. No, it's not going to be about that.


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[Assistant] You know, with Gardner-Mintchou, it's gonna be, you know, a little bit of a, a mixture of, hey, a guy who knows how to really run the offense efficiently, you know, can make all the throws, even though he's not gonna make our jaws drop doing it all the time.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, every now and then, he's gonna make a play where he's gonna buy time in the pocket or scramble or do something like that where you go, man, there was nothing open or, you know, the protection was bad, but look at our quarterback made a play and, you know, he can do those things.


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[Assistant] It's just gonna be about can he do it consistently, you know, for another year or two to solidify himself as that guy in Jacksonville. And that's really where we're at in this countdown.


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[Assistant] We got a lot of guys here who, right now, got a chance to be the guy.


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[Assistant] But we don't know if they're truly capable of being that guy and they're gonna have to earn it and prove it to us all this year to get more years with this team or more years with another team as a starter. And I think that's where we are with Gardner right now. But like we started it off, I think you and I both see a guy that


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[Assistant] Has starting quarterback qualities and starting quarterback charisma and leadership.


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[Assistant] You know, I, my gut feeling is that we will. Yes, we will. Now, and again, I don't know if he's ever gonna like jump into the top 10 quarterbacks in football type conversation, but.


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[Assistant] I think with the way he plays and the tools he does have, he could be a guy right there on the verge of the top 10 if he can continue to improve his game and play clean and do all those things. But the big thing is too, Paul, like we always talk about, hey, you know, I like the support system he's got down there. You know, there, there's some talent.


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[Assistant] With Dede Westbrook and Leonard Fournette and pretty good tight end play. So there are some weapons at his disposal and Jay Gruden be there as offensive coordinator. Yeah. You know, yeah, I think this is Jay Gruden's type of guy. I do. You know, I, you know, I really look at it that way.


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[Assistant] No, Gardner Mintchou got some Alex Smith qualities to him, who we just saw Jay Gruden was having a successful season with him as a starting quarterback, except I would tell you Gardner Mintchou is more of an aggressive


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[Assistant] I don't know if I can say I remember it. He had a goatee. I don't know if I remember that one. That was good. It was very much like Joe Namibs. Oh. Dan Fouts was the


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[Assistant] Yes, until this morning, you know, I was, and you know, I got notes because I was going back through my, I've taken pictures of my notes and I was going back through my phone last night and looking through my notes because I, it was so close in this area between certain guys. And when I did, you know, rough drafts of these quarterback rankings.


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[Assistant] Sometimes I had Minshew in front of Bridgewater and then other ways around. And you know, yeaah, I woke up this morning and I said, you know what? It's really close. They both bring a lot to the football team off the field. Like I talked about with the charisma and the leadership. Teddy Bridgewater's got some of those things too. And I just said, you know what? Since it is so close, I'm going to give Teddy the edge.


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[Assistant] Because of his history and what he's done in the league so far, the fact that he's certainly a little more proven than Gardner Minshew. You know, Teddy Bridgewater,


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[Assistant] You know, Doug, there is something about his appeal as a leader of your football team. And I saw Matt Rule on PFT today. He kind of made a comment about that too. About how guys in the locker room follow Teddy Bridgewater.


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[Assistant] You know, does he leave some yards on the field at time where I go, man, if he just came out with an aggressive mindset, he might have had an extra 150 yards throwing the football today. Yeah, I've been frustrated by Teddy Bridgewater that way. But the big thing with Bridgewater is he is smart.


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[Assistant] He takes care of the football. He is accurate.


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[Assistant] And once he gets a feel and some comfort level for the game, he will start to take some chances. And when he does, he is capable of making some throws and some plays on the run to where this is why I just gave him a slight advantage over Gardner-Menshu, uh, as far as that's concerned.


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[Assistant] Who's gone through what he's gone through and always has a smile on his face, always willing to work.


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[Assistant] You know, anybody you talk to is always tells you he's got this, this positive frame of mind. And then, you know, between, then overcoming that and having success. Yeah, players respect that. You know, you're showing people in the locker room that.


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[Assistant] He, you know, shows that he wanted to be a starting quarterback and he wants to be great in the NFL and all those things. I think he wears those thoughts and feelings on his, on his sleeve to a degree. So, uh, yeah, the story is amazing. It really is. I mean, I wasn't sure he was ever going to play football again.


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[Assistant] And he has a chance just like we're talking about these other guys. We don't know if he's really the guy yet.


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[Assistant] And, uh, this is gonna be a big year for Teddy Bridgewater. My biggest complaint, like I told you, is I want him to be more aggressive. If he's more aggressive, he will stamp, you know, his fate right in Carolina and he'll be the guy. But if it's so, I'm gonna always look for short completions and manage the offense and do that.


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[Assistant] They're gonna look for somebody else new at quarterback. You know, I don't think he's gonna be able to take the approach, and I'm sorry I'm talking so much, but...


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[Assistant] I don't think he's gonna be able to take the approach of what he did in Minnesota and New Orleans, which was, you know, I'm gonna let the game come to me. I'm not gonna mess it up.


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[Assistant] And finally when I get a feel and the play caller gets a feel, I'll make a few plays and make it happen.


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[Assistant] Hey, what Joe, what Joe Brady was doing at LSU was very advanced for college football in the NFL world.


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[Assistant] That is gonna be basic stuff in a lot of ways. This is like, he ran Sean Payton's first two weeks of installation pass offense in college as the meat and potatoes of his offense. So he's gonna have more and you're right.


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[Assistant] You know, he's not gonna have a one-on-one mismatch every time a team plays man and just go, okay, I wanna pick this guy and do that. Now, I will say...


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[Assistant] You know, he's got some talent there. When you start to talk about DJ Moore, who I'm a big fan of.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, Curtis Samuel, and then Robbie Anderson, who they signed in free agency, who I know is really good friends with Teddy Bridgewater. And it just speaks to Teddy Bridgewater again. He wanted to be there because of Bridgewater. There was a relationship. That's what made it happen. And then you have Christian McCaffrey being that Alvin Kamara type.


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[Assistant] Out of the backfield, you know, they're going to find lots of ways to find short completions, move the ball, do those things.


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[Assistant] Or he's got Christian McCaffrey in a five yard outroute. What's he gonna do?


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[Assistant] Teddy's gonna go, uh, I'm not sure, I'll just take the completion and I'll play the next down. You know, so there's a little bit of a different mindset that way.


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[Assistant] And it's safer, you won't lose games, but as you've heard me say a million times, I'm not so sure it's going to lead you to winning games. And if you want to be a playoff team and make a run in the playoffs,


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[Assistant] You, as a quarterback, you know this, you gotta have that mindset at times because there's gonna be times where your team's not gonna play as well. And the quarterback, you gotta make some plays to get the team over the hump to win the game on that Sunday.


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[Assistant] Uh, Paul, I agree, you know, that was where my mind went right away, like when I was doing the rankings, and you know, I was getting ready to watch Shetty Bridgewater film, and I went, you know, I feel, my mind tells me that he was more aggressive last year. And then I turned it on, and I kind of went through every pass of the five games he started.


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[Assistant] And I was kind of wrong. He, he did it just how we've been talking about. Really conservative. Oh, okay, wait, now we have control of the football game. I'll start to take a few shots and chances down the field. He played five games.


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[Assistant] And I think he had no fear and he went back and threw the ball great all over the field. The other games, when you talk about the Seahawks, the Cowboys, the Jaguars, the Bears.


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[Assistant] And the fact that he, you know, latched on to a place like New Orleans with Sean Payton, you know, helped everybody see the talents he has.


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[Assistant] So that was a phenomenal move for his career. And that's what Jameis Winston's hoping to do now. He's hoping to strike Sean Payton Gold here as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is, it's an amazing story, and I think it just, you know, the broader point to what you're saying, Paul, is it just speaks to the guy. I mean, this is why you saw Minnesota Vikings players so distraught when he did get hurt.


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[Assistant] You saw the loyalty that Mike Zimmer, the head coach had the Teddy Bridgewater, uh, because I think he is that quarterback in the locker room that, you know, makes the head coach feel good. Okay. This is the leader of my troops. Um, so we'll see what Teddy Bridgewater could do with it this year. Let's see if he can run with it and solidify himself in a spot here and become the starter.


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[Assistant] Guddy, gritty, career journeyman. I mean, that's Ryan Fitzpatrick, Fitzmagic. You know, I always say he's got a shamrock up his ass. I know that. You know, he's got an Irish last name and there's a shamrock somewhere. Yeaah. Yeaah. Two shamrocks, not two rockets, two shamrocks.


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[Assistant] He is awesome to watch. I think, you know, this is why I got Ryan Fitzpatrick at 28. When he's hot,


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[Assistant] He can do things like what we saw in week 17 last year, throwing lasers all over the field against the New England Patriots and you're just going, this is unbelievable. He's just making one play after another. You know, he's tough as hell.


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[Assistant] Hangs in the pocket, you know, he'll run and lower his shoulder and he acts like he's 250 pounds, you know, so he brings some excitement.


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[Assistant] To the team that way, but the reason he's number 28 and you know, teams always look to replace him is because he is inconsistent.


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[Assistant] And he can have moments of, holy cow, how did he miss that open receiver? Or, holy cow, he's missed the last four receivers who are all open. And then he can also be careless with the football as we know. So he's a very hot and cold type quarterback that way. I think that's what I always remember Ryan Fitzpatrick as.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was, but I think, you know, last year, the one thing I look at is more up than down, certainly. And of course, you know, some of the down early in the year.


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[Assistant] If I'm going to be true to Ryan Fitzpatrick or myself, I can't sit there and blame it on him. You know, that Dolphins team early in the year, they were in Strugglesville. They couldn't figure out which way to go or do anything on the offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] You know, but I think between, you know, some of the play really I've seen the last few years with Fitzpatrick, but last year, especially down the, down the stretch of the season.


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[Assistant] It's not amazing ability, but it's good ability. It's a good athlete. It's a good arm. Uh, he can make great throws. He can have great misses.


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[Assistant] It's a very long deliberate over the long motion delivery, which can lead the ball to spring all over the place and the ball being batted down and he can play small at times. But you know, I guess what I'm saying basically is the end of the year, the last six, eight weeks of the season kind of made me think differently of Ryan Fitzpatrick.


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[Assistant] I, I think that just, you know, is, is, is like wild as Fitzpatrick can be, and he can be one of the more careless quarterbacks with the football, it's not to James Winston's, you know, capacity as far as the carelessness. I think that's the biggest difference, right?


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[Assistant] And, you know, I just think, uh- The stats would back that up recently, yeaah.


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[Assistant] They would back that up, right? I mean, I would think so, especially from last year. I know Jamis with the 30 interceptions and all that, but you know, I think that's more of it. And Ryan Fitzpatrick certainly throughout his career has had moments where I go, he lost that game for them. I mean, he missed some.


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[Assistant] Uh, because I just feel like if it's close and Tua shows everybody he's healthy and he's telling everybody he's healthy.


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[Assistant] That the dolphins are just gonna go, okay, we picked them number five. Let's get this experiment going. We know what Ryan Fitzpatrick is. We don't need to see any more of that. Let's start the new era. And I guess that's where I expect it to go. I do. I expected that.


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[Assistant] Tua does well enough in the preseason in training camp that they just go, okay, we feel comfortable where he's at. Let's let it ride with Tua. Uh, so yeah, I guess so. What about you? What do you think? What's your gut tell you?


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, I mean that's not a crazy thought, that's not.


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[Assistant] You know, and listen, I don't know. Miami might decide to just start Ryan Fitzpatrick just like we've seen with other young quarterbacks and just see where it goes and then.


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[Assistant] Once they feel like, hey, we're out of it or whatever it may be. Yeah, I am interested. I don't think Ryan Fitzpatrick's gonna give up that job easily. That's for sure. I don't. Right. You know, I think he realizes it's the end of his career.


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[Assistant] Uh, he does like the offense like you've talked about. They got some decent talent down there. Devontae Parker really emerged at the end of last year as like a big time wide receiver.


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[Assistant] And I'm sure Fitzpatrick wants to capitalize on some of the great moments they had at the end of the last season. So, uh, that'll be interesting to see, but yeah, I'm with you. I think ultimately we both know that, uh, it's going to be two of them prevails.


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[Assistant] And never ended up playing because those shoulder issues weren't just not right. But yeaah, those two right off the bat I'm thinking about. And then I just gotta think a little bit more about why, who else, who else you got experiences with?


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[Assistant] Number 27, the red rocket, the red rifle, whatever he is. It's Andy Dahl. He's red. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] He's red, I know that, that's right. He's a backup quarterback that's better than some starters in the NFL. I know that too. And that's why I made him here. But Andy Dalton, you know, hey, you know, I,


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[Assistant] I don't even know where to begin with him here. You know, first off, uh, one of those guys that is, you know, probably a little disrespected for what he did in his career to this point anyways, because, oh, the Bengals don't go to the playoffs or he did go to the playoffs for five straight years and they didn't win a game or anything, win a playoff game that way.


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[Assistant] I know, I'm thinking about, you know, probably 3, 4 years ago, I think he was dancing around right like 15, 16, somewhere in that area, right?


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[Assistant] Where, you know, again, he's not the kind of guy that's gonna make you go like, oh my gosh, unbe- whoa, unbelievable. Did you see that throw? Did you see that run? No! That's not what Andy Dalton's about. But like some of these guys we've talked about, there's no glaring weakness to his game.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's got a really good arm. It's better than Teddy Bridgewater, Gardner Minshew, uh, Ryan Fitzpatrick. I mean, this guy is an easy effortless thrower. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's


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[Assistant] For NFL starters, it's probably above NFL average strength, you know, somewhere in there, not much above it, but throws a pretty ball. You know, it's, it's perfect spirals. They're easy to catch. You know, deep ball is pretty good.


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[Assistant] Hey, you know, is it always been perfect in clutch time? No. Has he had moments of being careless with the football? Definitely. You know, and I think the reason he's in the position he's in,


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[Assistant] And, you know, like some of the other guys we've, we've talked about or whatever. You know, I just don't, he's not the type of talent that, hey, our team's beat up, uh, our defense is hurt.


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[Assistant] Or we're not as, we're not at full strength on the offensive side. He's not the kind of guy that you go, oh, okay, well, we'll give the ball to Andy today and we're going to let him throw it 45 times. He'll carry us through and he'll give us a chance to win at the end of the day. No, that's not what he is. He's not. But if you give him some support,


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[Assistant] I'm not surprised. I mean, I thought there was a chance, you know, New England might flirt with them. Uh, I really thought that the Chicago Bears would try to get Andy Dalton. That was the team I thought more than anybody was going to make a play for him. Um, the other one I thought was the Colts and I think the Colts legitimately like Andy Dalton too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, Andy Dalton was at very high on their list as far as guys they wanted at the quarterback position. But it seems like at that time, Cincinnati was asking for too much in a trade. And then of course, Philip Rivers was just a free agent.


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[Assistant] And he has some history with them as well. So, no, I, I, I knew he had a chance, but I can't say that I'm surprised. And I, I, I gotta say too,


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[Assistant] You know, for most teams in football, I don't think you want Andy Dalton as your starter right now. You don't. I can understand the Colts wanting him, but if I'm a new franchise and


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[Assistant] You know, hey, we know what Andy Dalton is. If I'm a new friend, like the Jacksonville Jaguars, I wouldn't want to replace Andy Dalton for Gardner Minchew right now, even though I think Andy Dalton's a little bit better, obviously, by my rankings.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't want to replace him right now. You know, Gardner-Minshew has a chance to build something, be something, kind of become that face of the organization and have a little aura about him. Andy Dalton, that ran out in Cincinnati.


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[Assistant] Uh, so he's gonna be relegated to backup quarterback Mill here, and if he gets a chance, he's in a good situation, and with a good team around him, he might be able to become a starter once again.


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[Assistant] Uh, career than I think, you know, the Teddy Bridgewater. First off, I don't think Dalton


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[Assistant] Whoa, this guy, he's not afraid of anything and he's not afraid to play into the big light. Not to say Andy Dalton is scared, I just don't think he's the guy that exudes it. You don't just see it like...


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[Assistant] Oh man, when he walks in the locker room, you don't go, whoa, there's Andy Dalton, there's the man. I bet you when Teddy Bridgewater walks in the room a little bit, it's like, oh, look, he's talking up a storm and he's laughing and whatever else, and you know he's entered the room.


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[Assistant] He's got a Greek God playing quarterback in front of him right now that I just don't know if he'll get hurt ever. You know, that's the way, I mean, Dak Prescott.


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[Assistant] Like, other than Cam Newton, you have a fight between all 32 quarterbacks? I think Cam Newton's going one, and I'm probably going to pick Dak Prescott as number two. He's just such a big, strong, physical man. And I just don't envision him to start.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean, I don't envision him getting hurt to let Andy Dalton have that chance to kind of, you know, uh, further along his career once again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is. It's a great insurance policy. You know, again, I know the Cowboys, they didn't go to the playoffs. I don't care. I still look at that roster and go...


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[Assistant] If things click and they stay healthy, I think they're a Super Bowl caliber type roster. They're gonna be a pain in the butt. And if Dak did go down, he's certainly got some support and a good offense and some receivers around him.


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[Assistant] To make it happen, but yeaah, that was a brilliant signing by the Cowboys. You know, a lot like what the Saints did.


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[Assistant] We can't like afford if Drew Brees gets hurt for five weeks to where we go one and four with some schlepped backup quarterback and all of a sudden we're out of the playoff race.


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[Assistant] So they went out there and protected their team with an investment in the Teddy Bridgewater. And I think the Cowboys looked at it the same way and it makes a lot of sense. It's a great point you bring up too with Kellen Moore. You know.


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[Assistant] That type of situation when you're in that age group and that you're right, there's going to be some dialogue there. Kellen Moore and Andy Dalton will probably do a lot of conversating about offensive ideas and things they should do on a weekly basis versus this defense or whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] So which is really going to help out Dak Prescott. And he's probably going to really enjoy being in the middle of those conversations and hearing some of the knowledge and things they throw out there.


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[Assistant] We might not have had a lot of like overall say, but then once he kinda got his, his game plan,


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[Assistant] Then he did let the quarterbacks conversate about what plays they liked on third down, the red zone plays, you know, the first and 10 plays, the shot plays, whatever it may be. And there was a lot of dialogue during the week. So John Gruden was really cool that way. And in my time in Tampa.


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[Assistant] I mean, you wanna talk about being a fly on the wall, right, with those three guys and then John Gruden talking and I mean, I was just sitting there taking it all in.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, in that room, they were all great. They really were.


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[Assistant] You know, schematic play during the day. He was not only going to have us get on the board and we were going to talk about it and hey, Sims, hey, rookie punk, get up there and draw it. What kind of X's and O's are those? Those are, those are horrible. Who taught you that at Texas? You know, all of that would go on, but.


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[Assistant] And we would get to sit there and talk about different scenarios. To me that was very special. You know, uh, it really was.


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[Assistant] Had some cool coaches with the Tennessee Titans, definitely. Dow Loggins is the quarterback coach for the New York Jets now. He was there, he was amazing to be with. Mike Heimerdinger, he's RIP, uh, God rest his soul, but he was also another guy. Wasn't afraid to have those conversations. And then,


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[Assistant] I would be lying to you too to say I didn't learn a whole new facet of quarterbacking when I went and played for Josh McDaniels in Denver. That was where.


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[Assistant] And I, of course, learned the New England system and some of the rules they had in their offense that were different than Gruden's offense. And then just the way they taught the quarterback and all that, it really gave me a great perspective of two great systems in the NFL who were very different.


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[Assistant] You know, Gruden was more in your face, pizazz, gonna have some jokes, some videos, everything like that.


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[Assistant] Josh McDaniels in the New England way is just, you know, it's like out of the, it's out of the book. You know, here's the drawing on the board and we're going to talk about it and this is what you do.


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[Assistant] And you should read this guy and that's it. And now, okay, let's go practice everything I just taught you and you better do it just like I taught you or it's not going to work and I'll bench you or whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] There's no talk about drops. You know, there's no talk about footwork. None of that. It's stay six and a half yards behind the center.


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[Assistant] It is rare, and it's not maybe not the best thing for all young quarterbacks all the time either.


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[Assistant] Because, you know, the feet do help the mind in making decisions. Where Gruden, as you know, and I think you've been in some West Coast offense, where it would be, hey, five steps on this play, on the first hit you look at this guy, on the second hit you look at this guy, on the third hit you go to that guy.


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[Assistant] No, it wasn't, it wasn't that way with the New England offense. And the other thing with the New England offense, just to bore you a little bit more here is, you know, everything is across the board.


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[Assistant] You know, so, not a lot of checking and pass plays in New England. Brady would get up to the line of scrimmage and...


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[Assistant] More times than not, those plays were all purpose. We don't care what the defense is. We've come up with these plays during the week of game planning to go, hey, we know they play these five coverages and we feel like this play works against all five of those coverages.


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[Assistant] And no matter what the coverage was, you would go, okay, I'm going to go one to two to three to four. Doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] Where in Gruden's offense, you might have some plays where it would go, hey, if it's two safeties, play that side. If it's one safety, play that side. You know? And so there was a difference in the offense and the philosophy as well. Uhm, both are successful as you know. I prefer the New England one a little bit more after learning it. Uh, but, but either way, they're both really good.


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[Assistant] No doubt. It's a great conversation because, you know, hey, there are times where you go, oh, it would be great to go to the line of scrimmage with two or three plays at my disposal. And yeah, you know, we can pick it. You know, we just pick the best one and dissect them that way. Yeah, that's cool. That's great. Now.


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[Assistant] Also though, what does it do? Sometimes it takes the aggressive nature away from the offense, right? The offensive linemen are sitting there looking at the quarterback and their three-point stands. Wait, what play is he running? Okay, wait, let me think about this. How am I protecting this? Hey center, what, so all this communication goes on.


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[Assistant] We're then like in New England where sometimes they just, you know, they call the play and they go, we don't care what coverage there are. We, we think this play works against everything.


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[Assistant] You can start to use also, you know, tempo to your advantage. And that's where you'd see Brady get up everybody in the line of scrimmage and Omaha, blue go!


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[Assistant] You know, because he was like, okay, we know the play, let's go. Let's not let the defense sit there and talk about all the rules and what to watch for and what to do that. Let's keep the pressure on them and snap. So their heads are spinning and they don't know which way to go. So.


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[Assistant] Man, who am I missing there in Wisconsin? Wait, hold on a second.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh, this is, I, I know this is gonna be, I'm gonna just go crazy. I'm, I'm blanking though. Go ahead, who is it? I can't think of it. I can't pull it up.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh. Yep, I couldn't come up with it. I wasn't gonna come up with it anytime soon, so good thing I gave it up.


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[Assistant] Okay, you know, it was one of those where I was like, wait, am I missing some other, you know, you start to get scared when you're out of the league for so long and you start to go, wait, I hope I remember all the guys I played quarterback with. All right, Kerry Collins. That's good. How many teams did you say he played with? That's what made me


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[Assistant] Right, for two different years, you know, in 2008 and 2010.


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[Assistant] Uh, 2008 was the best team I was ever on in my eight-year NFL career. We were the best team in football. Kerry Collins was amazing. We were the number one team in the AFC. Cotton Kerry had had a great year. You know, it was Chris Johnson's rookie year. And, uh, man, we lost the divisional playoff game to the Baltimore Ravens. We kind of dominated the game.


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[Assistant] And turn the ball over three times inside the 10 yard line going into score. And that's why we lost. Joe Flacco's rookie year. That was the start of the Joe Flacco.


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[Assistant] I, I gotta know this. I know all the highs in the trophy winners, at least from, you know, my lifetime. And I was, yeah, but I forgot, I forgot that he made that switch with that Cleveland Browns team. He was the quarterback for Bill Belichick and the Cleveland Browns and then went to Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, well, he's, he is, he's tough, he's no-nonsense, he's a great guy, you know, he played on some offenses that didn't have great talent, he never heard him blame anybody or make excuses or do anything like that.


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[Assistant] His talent was greater than what people realized. And I do, I go, Paul.


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[Assistant] You know, teams didn't coach their teams, like quarterbacks always used to be, be careful with the ball, we don't turn it over.


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[Assistant] So it was a different era too, and the ball was pushed down the field more, and there wasn't as many screens and BS type completions that we see now.


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[Assistant] Man, I, mmm, I, uh, let's see, I'm just trying to say, I wanna say Randall Cunningham. And you should say that. You're perfect. Good.


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[Assistant] Whoa, like dual threat. He could throw the ball 80 yards in the air, but he could take down the sidelines and run for 80 yard touchdown too. I mean, we really hadn't seen anything like him. Uh, he was one of my favorites as a young kid.


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[Assistant] Man, I hope they don't hurt my father today. I mean, that was, that was a real thought in my head. Yeah, many a Sundays.


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[Assistant] John Elway, that's the one I'm trying to think. Who the hell?


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[Assistant] Where the hell were they? Were they all in Pittsburgh at that time? Or were they in Kansas City? Where were they? They were in Kansas City. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] No? Alright, who is it? I give up, I'm choking, I'm going down, I can't figure it out.


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[Assistant] Damn. You know, I don't know if I realized he was in Denver with Elway. I think that's what really got me like thrown off there. Yeah. How about that resume?


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm gonna just throw this out there cause I have no clue.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I don't know if I realized that Dave Craig was undrafted. I don't know if I knew that part of it. So that's what kind of like, that's where I was like, wait, who am I missing in that conversation there? Uh, but man, great career.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, what's up? Come on, man. Subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you. Please hit the subscribe button, please.


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[Assistant] Well, first of all, I think it's been more like 35 minutes instead of 20. Uh, but more importantly, who gets the credit for that DJ enhancement at the top of the show? Is that you with too much time on your hands?


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[Assistant] I went back to the drawing board and kind of veered off down a little different path away from the Sims family. So maybe you would get maybe a couple wrong.


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[Assistant] That's a great job with the context because just like with the draft, people have different criteria and they want to know, well, are you a GM saying this is what I would do or are you an analyst saying this is what I think will happen?


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[Assistant] Great job of setting that up. You are the head coach, you're on the hot seat, and this is how you rank the quarterbacks in the league right now in terms of who you would trust to run your team or to be the quarterback on your team. So with that, let's get it started. Number 40, who you got? Number 40.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna call you a little bit on him. This is just a curious fan. I'm sure some people at home probably thinking the same thing. How can you have a player on this list, especially a quarterback?


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[Assistant] Who hasn't played it down in the NFL. And I know you like playing the backup quarterback. So if you just take the top 32 starters and your top quarter of the backups in the league, he's not on this list. So defend a rookie who hasn't played a snap being on the list right now.


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[Assistant] I'm just the fourth person in your dad's kitchen right now bringing up another point for you to think about as you're, as you're getting comfortable with your list. Now here's another one for you. I mean, this doesn't happen very often anymore. These quarterbacks don't sit very long, but considering the injury situation, they have Ryan Fitzpatrick.


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[Assistant] They drafted three linemen in the first four rounds. They're eventually going to get worked in there. They've got Shan Gailey, veteran offensive coordinator.


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[Assistant] So if he is the starting quarterback for the Dolphins at some point there in September, what's the number one thing you're going to be looking for to see if this guy is ready to play in the NFL?


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[Assistant] No, that's okay. One more question on him. Do you think that a quarterback who doesn't come into the league with that kind of comfort level, with the chaos in the pocket and I'm okay, I'm going to thread it in there anyway, is that something you can pick up and learn once you're already there?


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[Assistant] In the next 30 seconds, give me some quarterbacks in the league right now or quarterbacks in the past that are also that alliteration with the first name and the last name.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Wade Wilson, you know, we could go on and on and on and on. That's a great one.


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[Assistant] Cody Carlson Baylor. Nice job, Matt Casey. Okay.


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[Assistant] You know, you know who they could have signed that was, has been a really good veteran stop? Everywhere he goes and ends up, he puts up big numbers for at least a year. Jeff George. Oh.


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[Assistant] My true freshman year, Illinois came to Iowa City and I dressed and just watched and I always watched the other team warm up and they had Jeff George and I watched him in warmups and I'm like, I will never play it down Big 10 footballs. If that's what it's supposed to look like, I'm going to transfer somewhere else because I cannot do that. Yeah, he had a laser.


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[Assistant] Alright, Tuatunga Wailoa with his alliteration and his fifth overall pick is a dolphin and he's number 40. At number 39, who's on your list?


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[Assistant] Last year you had him at 38 before he played it down in the NFL, so he drops one after those seven starts. As long as you bring up Ron Rivera, I'm gonna go right to what I think is the most important, the most interesting part of the Dwayne Haskins situation.


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[Assistant] Rivera traded for his former quarterback Kyle Allen in Carolina, not just a throwaway seventh round pick, gave up a fifth round pick and coaches believe that a fifth round pick at the very least could contribute on special teams. So what do you read into the fact that his head coach got his old quarterback for a fifth round pick?


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[Assistant] Looking at the other 10 players that'll be in that Redskins title, no matter who is the quarterback. If it is Dwayne Haskins though, true or false, he'll have the worst supporting cast in the NFL next season. Ooh.


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[Assistant] So, Dwayne Haskins, uh, one of the many Ohio State quarterbacks drafted here recently. I took a close look at it, Chris. In your lifetime, almost four decades, a dozen other Ohio State Buckeye quarterbacks have been drafted. Give me three of them. Any three. From 81, from 2001, whatever you'd like.


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[Assistant] Yes he was. Very nice. Okay, good. Yeaah. There's three, very good. I'm gonna add on to Craig Krenzel and see if you see any connection here with the rest of the show. Tom Tupa, alright, and Joe Germain. Joe?


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[Assistant] He was the first quarterback taken in like 1988 or seven, somewhere in there. Yeah, right? Right. But you're missing though.


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[Assistant] Yes, yes you are. Two for two on the warmups. It's the, it's the JV game. You're just taking laps. You're the layup line. Yeaah. Okay, okay. Building, building confidence. Getting in the right mindset. Okay, so 40 we had two at Tunga Wailoa. 39 Dwayne Haskins. What do we see at 38?


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[Assistant] That's a huge drop pal, that's a giant drop. It's an 18 player drop from last year when he was 20.


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[Assistant] His completion percentage, touchdown, interception ratio, you look at those, you're like, ah, that's pretty good, but something's missing, like, they're misleading me somehow, but what am I not seeing when I'm looking only at his numbers?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think most people make that same assumption. I think in this case, the assumption will be correct. I was looking at this part of your list last night this morning with Dwayne Haskins at 39 and Trubisky at 38, two young quarterbacks, two first round quarterbacks who


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[Assistant] Right now, and it could change, you have the arrow pointing down at least a little bit. Any correlation in the way you evaluate these guys and what they've done in the first part of their career with the fact that they were both only one year starters in college?


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[Assistant] I think, I think that one thing that you miss when, I mean, hey, more power to you. If you're talented enough to get drafted on one year plan in college, great.


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[Assistant] But what those kids miss is that extra layer of super thick confidence that you get when you do it for a season.


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[Assistant] You're allowed to exhale and okay, I don't have to film study this tweak. I can get away from it and really think about my game. Like, look at Joe Burrow. Look at what he was able to do with one year experience.


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[Assistant] Kendall Wright was his top receiver last year. So that's, I mean, that gives you an idea. Gives you an idea of what he's dealing with.


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[Assistant] A couple years ago, okay. Uhm, let's see this past year. We had Josh Bellamy was second. He only had 376 yards.


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[Assistant] That's uh, that's not a whole lot for the two-two portion of your one-two punch.


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[Assistant] Mitch is not a real, not a real popular name, Chris, as I'm sure you know. So, we're gonna run through here. I'm gonna give you some options for your favorite Mitch. Alright? Outside of Mitchell Trabisky. There's no wrong answer here. It's whatever you think.


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[Assistant] Mitch Richmond, Hall of Fame basketball player. Real nice career at K-State. That's your first option. Number two, Mitch Wild Thing Williams.


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[Assistant] Nice reliever for the Phillies. Had a bad moment in the World Series. Oh yeaah, the Phillies, right. Yeaah. Real good career though.


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[Assistant] And Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader, Chris, is also an option for you.


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[Assistant] Dwayne Haskins was 39, Mitchell Trubisky at 38, at 37. What do we see?


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[Assistant] quarterback evaluation that much. So I'm coming back to this. It's a note I had from March. I want you to compare him to Josh Allen at this point because you and I weren't working together when Josh came out, I don't think.


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[Assistant] I know that you love him for the same reason as a prospect you like Justin Herbert, the most physical upside, the best pastor of the ball, the best attributes of any quarterback in that class. So compare Herbert to Allen at this stage of their careers and what do you see?


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[Assistant] Herbert has a world more experienced starting games in college than Josh did coming out of Wyoming. Also a much better history of taking care of the football. It's one of the many things that Herbert did well at Oregon.


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[Assistant] Okay, finally on Justin Herbert, I look back at some other Oregon quarterbacks in the NFL, Chris.


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[Assistant] He is gonna have a career more like which former duck quarterback. We got four options. Dan Fouts, Hall of Famer, that's your first pick. To Chris Miller, 1987 first round pick.


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[Assistant] Had a nice career, played a little over a decade, had some real good seasons with the Falcons.


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[Assistant] Third pick is Marcus Mariota. Okay, five years in.


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[Assistant] He's a C. He could go either way. He could move up into that BA range. Right. He could fall down into the bus range as well. Kind of jury's still out. And four is AJ Feely.


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[Assistant] But going with the Hall of Famer, man, that's, that's, uh, that's bold. I like it a lot, so. Thanks a lot. Hopefully he shows up here these first couple of seasons.


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[Assistant] We have one left. We've gone from Tua to Dwayne Haskins to Trubisky to Herbert and now at number 36. This is going to be a fun one. I see the name. I'll let you reveal it.


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[Assistant] As fans, we want to be educated fans, we want to see the entire body of work, but hey, we all remember most of what we saw last, and in that last playoff game they played,


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[Assistant] He had success running the ball. He had success throwing it and he had also had success as a receiver. So if he continues down this path, at least one more year, not as the main backup, but as someone who's going to have a package and have a set of plays, would you rather see him throw more?


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[Assistant] Run more or more as a receiver? Which one of those three would you use in more often as?


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[Assistant] And I also think that's the one way that can keep this thing going, that can keep it successful because remember the Wildcat? I mean the Wildcat kinda came and went because at some point they're like, you know what? This guy's not gonna throw the ball. He's only gonna run it. They're limited right now.


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[Assistant] So unless they use him more as a passer, with as wonderful a runner as Taysom Hill is,


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[Assistant] I don't see continued success with this package unless they let him throw more off.


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[Assistant] And I'd like to see those reps in real parts of the game, and I'm wondering, what's your trust level? And I think I know where you're going here, but your trust level on a handful of second down and eight situations, you put him in.


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[Assistant] Expacker. It's hard to believe he was with the Packers for a while. Not very long ago, back in 2017. Got me thinking, Chris, about Expacker backups.


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[Assistant] Decent career as a journeyman, back up, stuck around for more than a decade, but has the Super Bowl ring as a head coach. Which one do you want?


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[Assistant] Oh man, I thought you were going to go with the lefty Brunel and I was going to come after you a bit with the whole Super Bowl thing, but you didn't take the bait, so.


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[Assistant] All right. All warm up though. It's all a warm up for quarterback Jeopardy, which is coming up. So nice job. Way to start your top 40 countdown with those five.


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[Assistant] Part two of Unbuttoned here is quarterback Jeopardy. It's the third time and the first time we've gotten away from the Sims family. You ready for this? I'm ready.


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[Assistant] Quarterbacks from the class of 2018 and 2019. Can you think of all these guys? So it's the, the Murray Jones lock class of 2019.


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[Assistant] 2018, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, those guys. So it's those two classes. And if, if Stidham, if Jared Stidham starts from the Patriots this year, Chris, 10 of the 32 starting quarterbacks, 10 of 32 will be from these two classes.


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[Assistant] Who's the idiot that asked you why Tsuetsuna Bailoa as a rookie hasn't played yet should be in the-


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[Assistant] There is one quarterback from those two classes where if you add together his interceptions and his team's losses in the month of November last season, that number is zero. Who's your quarterback?


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[Assistant] Zero in the month of November this past season, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Everybody misses layups. It's alright. Alright. There we go. It's 200, 200. It's gonna be easy to get back on the board here. Or on the board at all.


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[Assistant] One of the quarterbacks from those two classes has started every game of his career. Which one?


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[Assistant] It had some nice numbers too, by the way. It kind of went under the radar because the Cardinals didn't matter a whole lot, but man, that was not a bad season he had at all.


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[Assistant] Alright, 200 points for young Chris Sims. Brings us to the 300 point question.


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[Assistant] Which quarterback had four games last season where he threw for over 300 yards and no picks?


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[Assistant] You killed me the first two weeks, man. I had to ramp it up just a little bit. Okay, that's good.


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[Assistant] I almost tried to work this one in, but I didn't because we only have five.


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[Assistant] There was one quarterback besides Lamar Jackson last year that averaged over 6 yards per carry in this class. And it was Daniel Jones.


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[Assistant] Alright, three questions in. You've got 500 out of a possible 600. Strong start. 400 point question.


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[Assistant] Name the only quarterback who has a rookie through for over 3000 yards.


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[Assistant] And had a touchdown interception ratio of better than 3 to 1.


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[Assistant] Was your answer Baker Mayfield? Is that what you said? It was. Okay, I just had to bring this up because I had this written down too. It doesn't show up in an answer anywhere, but.


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[Assistant] You've got 500 points, you've got the 500 point question left.


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[Assistant] For 500, and this has everything to do with quarterback rating, Chris. So for QB rating, what number is greater? Josh Allen's improvement from year one to two or Baker Mayfield's decline from year one to two?


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[Assistant] So the difference in those numbers, one went up and one went down, that number, which one is bigger?


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[Assistant] How much had to do with the team and how much had to do with his own play and decision making?


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[Assistant] Yes, that was fun. That was a suggestion of Matt Casey and Pete DeLamaLamaLitus as well. DeLamaLamaLitus.


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[Assistant] We're getting some, some good, uh, creative idea tips from behind the scenes. So that's, uh,


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[Assistant] Oh, that's, uh, so that's in San Jose last year. That's in the Premier Lacrosse League game.


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[Assistant] And they came up on the field with me and uh, there they are. So that was cool. Yeah, that was fun. Fun to have the kids down there.


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[Assistant] Everything's great, aside from my kid desperately needing that haircut. Did you see that? That was, uh, that's okay. It's part of the course now.


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[Assistant] How big was the tip? What percentage of the total bill did you tip him?


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[Assistant] There you go. A nice job with the list. It's a fun way to spend time in May and June. We'll do it throughout the rest of the summer, leading up to training camp. And you've been a great sport with the quarterback Jeopardy. Uh, you don't gloat too much when you get them right. You don't get too pissed when you get them wrong. So keep that attitude.


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[Assistant] No, nobody's by here. I just might, I got my window out here. A few people are walking by the door. I don't recognize anyone right now because no one's really allowed in our building, but we're building stuff all over the place. So we have all these fingerprints to get in the doors and now we're not allowed to do that anymore. So they're fixing all the doors around here.


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[Assistant] We're knocking down walls so we can fit more than three people in a room. There's a lot of stuff going on.


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[Assistant] This is a Hurley hat, man. This is something I wear outside of work. I don't even-


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[Assistant] They made it just for that, but I'm not wearing, uhm, Niner hats outside of the building right now. I can't be that guy.


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[Assistant] It's funny that you are acting like most, uh, like my dad is and other people thinking it's this made up look, but lots of people wear hats like this. Uhm, the problem was I never wore a hat during games much because I just didn't like how the hats were. This is actually a hat I wear a lot and I wear hats like this.


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[Assistant] And I was wearing one like this and they said, well, you could design one. So they flipped the laptop around and they let me kind of design one and I picked out a, um, a logo and I kept shrinking it. I made it a netted hat and obviously got a flat bill and stuff. And I just made it like a hat that I like to wear.


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[Assistant] And then I started wearing it, uhm, just on a couple games and we actually won on those games. Uhm, then eventually throughout the year I was ready to take the hat off.


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[Assistant] I mentioned that to my wife one day before a game.


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[Assistant] I never mentioned it again. She said that's why we were winning. Uhm, so I just kept with it this year and uhm, it's not going to be a routine thing next year, but if I feel like wearing a hat, it'll look somewhat like that because those are the type of hats I wear just like.


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[Assistant] Why do you button your shirt all the way to the top collar? No one can figure that out, but that's just kinda what you do.


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[Assistant] No they're not and no they're not which I, I mean honestly it is messed up because I wore the hat just because I liked it for myself and they sold it in our gift shop down here and after I wore it one


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[Assistant] Sorry, after I wore it on one game, it sold out right away and they didn't make anymore because they just made them for me personally and then for our gift shop. And then I had buddies sending me pictures of eBay, like where those hats were going for like $600 and stuff, which blew my mind. And I think they started making more towards the end of the year. But I mean, I definitely should have got something I thought, but I didn't.


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[Assistant] I mean, I definitely didn't. I got, I def, I probably, I mean, we all know at least second, cause everyone knows who dominated that day with Cliff and his house. Uhm, but I know that was hard to compete with and especially California. Like that house in Arizona, if you get that one where I live,


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[Assistant] You don't believe it till you get out here, but it's like you live in the center of Manhattan in terms of real estate.


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[Assistant] We're a different, different style. You know, I had the family around and stuff. I know. I think Cliff's the single guy. I know Sean's engaged, but it's just a little different, different deal for us, I think.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're, you're actually the old man. I am the old man. I'm the old man trying to stay young with younger hats and stuff, but I'm like, I actually thought I was young until really quarantine. I turned 40 this year.


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[Assistant] How much grey came in my beard? Like, my body's starting a little different this year than it did in other past years. Like, I really officially think I got old in the last six months. So, we'll see. Hopefully this season will bring out some youth in me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean it's such a long, I mean it's my whole life, which you don't realize until you get to where I'm at now.


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[Assistant] Stuff like, you know, just so fortunate to grow up the son of an NFL head coach and everything.


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[Assistant] I didn't realize how I was preparing for these moments in my life when I was just living my life when I was younger, just what my life consisted of, how much I had to move. Uhm, you know, I never lived anywhere in my life, and I always say this, I've never lived anywhere longer than four years. Uhm, when my dad was a head coach in Denver for 15, but


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[Assistant] We got there at the end of my freshman year in high school. So after three and a half years, I went to college.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I've never hit that for past four years. I got four years in Houston. I got four years in Washington. Uhm, but I never got past it. So this will be my fourth year here in San Francisco and I'm counting on at least being here longer. So I'm glad I can beat that record with my own family and stuff, but you move around so much and you get used to the lifestyle. And to me more the.


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[Assistant] The importance of it, or like I always look at football as a job because I always looked at it as...


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[Assistant] And so it's always that I don't, I can't imagine how it'd be like now with the phones and stuff. And that's why I know it's that much harder. Um, but you just deal with that mindset always. And you know, I, I love football.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and that's what I remember my growing up with my mom, my mom and I spent so much time and I was right next to her every Sunday our entire life, uh, watching football.


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[Assistant] And it just becomes who you are a little bit. And I wanted to play so bad and love playing that, uhm, I started to not think that I wanted to coach in high school and college because you just get, I mean, you met me in college.


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[Assistant] I wasn't as talented as you were and some other people, but man did I want to play. And I just became so obsessed with becoming.


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[Assistant] Receiver and being able to earn a scholarship and and get one and that's what I did and uhm.


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[Assistant] That helped me so much in coaching, just being around top athletes like I was at Texas and, um, actually getting to a spot where I could compete with them and what that level was like and really how they lived their lives and just, um, just being around it all the time from a player standpoint, like I was growing up from a coach's standpoint. And, um, then when I,


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[Assistant] You know, I remember them saying I could have a chance to go to the combine. I could pursue this and that's when I just thought really hard about it and I felt so exhausted with trying to


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[Assistant] I thought I could maybe go compete and be a last guy and maybe earn a practice squad one day, but I was never going to be physical enough to do special teams or anything like that. And, um, so that's when I was like, all right, I want to coach. And right when I got into coaching.


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[Assistant] My life circumstances from growing up, I just felt I had an advantage over most people. Just even when you and I would talk football or just being in Texas would just be, I just always felt like I had an advantage. And then when I got around other coaches.


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[Assistant] And my dad is still to this day, like, the biggest grinder I've ever seen. Like, he just works so hard and is so detailed in everything he does and...


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[Assistant] I never thought, I didn't know if I could be like that. Uhm, and so that's also why I was like, man, I...


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[Assistant] I don't know if I can grind as hard as he did and I like to have a little bit more fun and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Then when I decided to do it, I got into it and I was like, oh my god, not everyone is like that.


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[Assistant] That's why he was so good. That's what's, oh my gosh, I can be like this too. And you start to see it and...


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[Assistant] What helped me so much is, you know, I mean, I never had worked with my dad. I had been around him my whole life. But when I got to go to Tampa Bay, uhm, you know, you were in your second year there, uhm, they were two years removed from the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] I didn't know John Gruden, uhm, I knew Jeremy Bates who was his quality control and he had called me and told me he was going to get promoted so that job was going to be open.


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[Assistant] So I kinda, I knew it was gonna be open before anyone else. And my, fortunately, my dad knew John, and he asked him if he'd give me an interview. And John brought me in, and ended up giving me the job, and I'm very grateful for that opportunity. Uhm, but then after I got that, uhm, the positions I was in, I just...


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[Assistant] I was able to get so much knowledge there. You know, I go in respecting my dad and what they've done and all that stuff and, but John doesn't do anything like that.


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[Assistant] And he does stuff totally different and there, my first year especially, I mean I got the whole, I had to draw all his plays and John did more plays than anybody in football. And so like, I actually got to draw and have


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[Assistant] Experience on every play that is being ran in the NFL, where my dad just had a system that he did. And so he didn't really know the other stuff. I mean, he could study it and learn it, but my dad viewed it differently. And I got just everything from John, which was great for my mind at the time, because it just put a lot of stuff in my head that I needed to learn. And the best part where I feel like I got


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[Assistant] So that was like the one thing that always stuck in my head is advice from my dad. And my dad was so good, uhm, at calling plays and stuff. And that was something like, all right, I guess I'll learn defense. And when I was with Tampa Bay, I mean, they had the number one defense in the league. They just won a Super Bowl because of it. The two years I was there, they were number one in the league.


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[Assistant] And after I got all my work done with John, you know, John, he sits in his office and grinds and he'd come out and give me a list and I have to go into my office and it'd take me eight hours to do it, but I'd get it done.


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[Assistant] By the time my second year came, I could do that stuff fast and I was able to get all that done and I spent so much time on the defensive staff.


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[Assistant] No, Gus wasn't, Raheem Morris was, Joe Berry, Joe Woods, Monty Kiffin, Mike Tomlin, uh, Rod Marin. Like, it was just, it was unbelievable. And they were running a system.


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[Assistant] That was just extremely sound. It was Tampa too. Uhm, and then they played it over and under front where they played man and 3D zone out of it, but that was about it. And they had a few blitzes, but it was so sound and detail oriented, very good run fits and everything. And I just got to sit in there.


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[Assistant] And just listen to how defensive guys viewed football from the fronds, how to fit on pullbacks, how to do everything.


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[Assistant] I was also in the meantime learning just thousands of plays.


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[Assistant] Instead of just learning plays from like an offensive perspective and be like, oh, this is a really cool one.


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[Assistant] I was learning it from like, alright, well this is hard on the defense if they're playing this run.


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[Assistant] This is hard for that linebacker only if this is his responsibility. Is he two gapping? Is he spilling? Like just little things like that to where you start to...


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[Assistant] Alright, I do like this play, but man, this play sucks if they're coaching their linebacker this way. And then you see how they're coaching a linebacker different than next week. And you just get an idea of how to attack people and how to attack rules. And that's what was really fun for me. And then I got my first job, um, as a position coach in Houston.


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[Assistant] Or I was a receiver coach and uhm, I went out there and I was with Gary Kubiak who had been with my dad forever.


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[Assistant] So I was expecting to go out and finally, uhm, learn my dad's offense.


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[Assistant] And Gary brought the exact same one that year because it was 2006 and we're just, he was a new coach at Houston and we're just implementing the Denver scheme. And I just remember getting there and so excited to learn it. And it was, from where I just came, it was the most boring thing in the world because John Gruden was just offense on steroids and just so much crap.


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[Assistant] And then I, and that's what I knew. And then I go to my dad's and Gary's and it's just.


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[Assistant] It really wasn't that big of a deal here, but there was also stuff too where I'm like,


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[Assistant] Man, you know how much better we could do if you, if we did it this way, like we did in Tampa and you start to find, all right, here's one way, here's another, where are you?


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[Assistant] And that's kind of, I always got in between those two a little bit and mine was always predicated off of what the defense was doing.


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[Assistant] But I love the system and stuff that my dad had and that Gary had and how detailed it was. It was very similar to the defense in Tampa.


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[Assistant] With how their run foots were and it was, it was very anal and exact and not a bunch of stuff, but it all fits. And then I kind of just, everything I've ever put in, you, you learn everything, but it has to fit and it has to fit in what you're attacking. It has to go with the theme. I just not trying to.


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[Assistant] Just dial up play. So you're trying to attack certain things and unlock certain things and that's a defense. And so you gotta understand that defense and how it all goes together. And it's still evolving. I mean, you never stop learning. You understand football, but.


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[Assistant] You gotta adjust your players every week, every year, and you definitely gotta adjust to what you're going against, so it's...


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[Assistant] I don't know, it never, it's always a hard question for me to answer because I don't know why it's, it just keeps going.


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[Assistant] 30 types of plays, which aren't much. Uhm, but it's a way to organize it and a way to pair them together and a way to mix 5 Eligibles around. I mean, if you have 30 types of concepts and you have 5 Eligibles between your Bax Titans and Receivers who are somewhat interchangeable,


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[Assistant] Like, what do those different packages give me? Alright, if I put out two tight ends.


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[Assistant] Well now, based off of our studies, you're getting these type of coverages, alright? Well now I'm gonna package this stuff with that. And it's how to run stuff that you're good at, that your quarterback's good at, stuff that you can always do, but you're still attacking the defense and they don't know what they're gonna get. And so you gotta find ways that it looks different, cause it is different, but


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[Assistant] Your quarterback's doing the same thing he did the first day you met him. He is taking a hitch and throwing a one. If he's not there, he's going to two. If someone's under there, he's checking it down to three.


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[Assistant] And like that never changes, but you can change that in so many ways with how you deploy guys, whether you do it from wide splits, stack splits, you can have a way to be in three by one, but run the same play the next week out of two by two, just in how you use your back. It's, um.


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[Assistant] It's, it's really just numbers, you know, and then it depends who you're going against. You go against guys who just play zone and defend areas of the field.


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[Assistant] Uh, or then you go against guys like Belichick, who to me played the numbers battle. He's got 11 guys and you got 11. He knows he's got to stop five eligibles. If he's going to rush four, he's got six left, but he wants to double this guy. So now he's got here and it almost becomes math and where on what you're attacking. So there's all these different ways to do it.


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[Assistant] And it never stops and, and it's throughout the game and you can't.


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[Assistant] I mean, you can't control it all, but you can prepare the best and that's to me what's different about football than every other sport. Like it's not continuous play.


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[Assistant] Like we have 11 guys, we're calling a play and that play is lasting about 4 seconds. And there's 22 people on the field that are in chaos, but they're coordinated. And then you huddle up or you do a no huddle, but then you get the assignment again and you go out again and try to execute it.


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[Assistant] Not any other sports are really like that. And that's why I like.


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[Assistant] And that's why I think you will compare it to military stuff sometimes, cause you're...


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[Assistant] You're sending 11 guys out on a mission, even though it's only four seconds, but it's coordinated. You've worked on that plan and you try to pull it off. And what happens when it's not pulled off? You go to plan B and hopefully that's.


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[Assistant] Your quarterback makes an unbelievable play or someone catches in double coverage and then that's the stuff that players make good coaches. But there is a system to it in our sport that I do think is different than I can understand in other sports.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean the biggest, the biggest key to a coach is just


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[Assistant] Putting a player in a, in a position that gives them a chance to be successful. And that's what a, that's what a play is. That's what putting it together a game plan is. It allows these guys to have a chance to do something that's still hard. They still gotta find the, they still gotta get to the open guy. They still gotta beat a corner who's very good at man to man coverage. I mean, they still gotta block a guy who is a lot more talented than them. So there's all that stuff that goes into it. And very rarely do you just feel you can go out and just


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[Assistant] Pick on someone. I mean, I never feel that way really, until like you have a plan. And if you are better than you have a plan, you can attack, but if...


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[Assistant] Alright, when you put, when you put guys in positions where they go out there, even if they're going against someone worse.


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[Assistant] And those guys on defense know what you're doing and the players feel helpless. They always want more.


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[Assistant] Once you get more to them and they feel like they have the answers, but then they go out there and they make all the wrong decisions or they bust a route or they bust coverages and you have too many checks and you just, your guy plays like shit. That's when you're like, all right, that was my fault. I got to take some off, but some guys need it. Some don't.


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[Assistant] And that's why you go to different talent levels and there's a fine line between who can handle a ton and who doesn't want a ton because they're just kind of a freak of nature and just let them play.


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[Assistant] And I don't, in our league, because of film, because of coaching, because of the other talents, I don't care how big of a freak you are, eventually, like you, you have to have a plan, you know, if you want to reach your potential and the guys who can handle that are the guys who end up being the great ones.


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[Assistant] I totally agree. I mean, that's why, uhm, I mean, people catch up with everything. Uhm, but the...


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[Assistant] The bottom line is, what's the foundation of your scheme? Is it sound? Is it good? And the foundation of that Seattle scheme is as good as anything. That's a very sound coverage built.


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[Assistant] With three deep, um, four under, it's an eight man front that as always, unless you get a running quarterback.


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[Assistant] They are always outnumbering the, um, offense in every run play possible.


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[Assistant] So until you learn how to use the quarterback or until you can do a few scheme stuff to handle that eight man front, it's very hard to run the ball against. And then their coverage was so sound with their pass rush that yeah, you could get completions.


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[Assistant] But you couldn't get big plays and you had to do, and the only, and the only way to get the big play is, uhm, their defense knew what it was because there's only a few ways to attack it.


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[Assistant] And that's what's always done great with us too. And that's why it is in Seattle. They go different ways, but they all come from the same tree and the same tree is a very sound run front with very sound coverages. Now, me personally, that's the defense I wanted because I know if you have talented players.


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[Assistant] Then there's no way to really trick it. Like if you have talented and it's too sound, you have to earn everything and make the quarterback go 10 for 10 and a good one will. And so that'll make you have to be on sound. Eventually you might have to do a blitz or something to get that guy off. But if it isn't that great one.


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[Assistant] Seattle three is the same thing to me as Tampa too. I mean, the way this is going. It is, right? Three deep, four under. Yeah, they had to do it with stunts because it was a two shell and hard to pass against, but that Mike was running down the middle, which makes it three deep. Uhm, and then they had to use the clouds, the way to get those guys and pirate and stuff to help in the run.


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[Assistant] But it was sound versus the pass. People got better at attacking Tampa too, and still didn't matter. When you had Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp in that pass rush and then you had those Hall of Fame players in the secondary, it was too fast. Uhm, you go to Indianapolis when they were running Tampa too.


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[Assistant] I mean, when they had Freeny and Mathis on the edge, they were a top five defense and won a Super Bowl. But when you don't like, now you got to do some other stuff. And that's what we worked so hard to get to when we were here.


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[Assistant] Took us a while and we had to go through some stuff with the drafts and everything. And when you get that pass rush, if you have that sound defense, man, you make people earn it. And that's what I don't like going against. I want somebody who's.


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[Assistant] Unsounds. I don't care if blitz us. Do whatever. You're gonna get some. But man, are you gonna give us an opportunity to get some people wide open? And that makes it a lot easier. I'd rather just have one big play.


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[Assistant] I will say it's not easy to get a good pass rush. We had to go through some tough years to get some of these guys. So uhm, you better have a plan B. That sounds good, but what happens when your guys are hurt? And we went through this our year. I mean, you look at our stats at the beginning of the year.


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[Assistant] And we go through like a five game stretch, like New Orleans, and uhm, some of these games where our D-line just got a little banged up, they're a little tired, the pastures isn't quite the same.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we had to make up for that in other areas and we did that with our team.


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[Assistant] And then our, our defense got back to their, come playoff time, they're rested on playing that way. But uhm, it's, you still got, it's not gonna last all year, you gotta have other things to depend on, whether it's blitzing, whether it's a good run game, your offense plays, but you, you gotta have other stuff, you can't, rarely, unless you have Baltimore Ravens, whatever year that was, uhm,


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[Assistant] I mean, the D line we were going against every day in practice, uhm, we knew was legit. And uhm, even seen in the pre-seasons, the scrimmages versus other guys, I mean, it was a very tough training camp to go against those guys. So I definitely knew in training camp, it was the best defense that I have ever had been a part of on any team I've ever been on.


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[Assistant] You know, except for probably my first year in the league at Tampa.


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[Assistant] So we felt special about that. It was different. Anytime you have a defense like that, you feel like you're a playoff contender.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was, our offense wasn't there yet when we started. I mean, Jimmy just came off ACL surgery. He was going through all of that. Uhm, had some good practice, had one very bad documented practice, which is crazy how documented a practice is. Uhm, but it was a bad one. Uhm,


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[Assistant] We also weren't sure on our receivers. No one had established a spot. We were depending on a lot of rookies who haven't played. Uhm, also some guys who we were counting on to play were hurt at the time who we never ended up getting.


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[Assistant] Equally as good in different ways. Uhm, but then we went into that Tampa game and our defense played that way like we expected our offense kind of played like we expected to just very inconsistent. It was very cool for me early in the year. I've never been in this situation to try to try to call a game to help our defense. I've never been in that situation. I've always.


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[Assistant] I've always felt like if we don't score, we're going to lose. I felt like that my whole life. I think I've only been on one. I think I've only called plays one year in my career where I had a top 10 defense. And that was, I think they finished 10th at Cleveland my one year. Um, but I never really had that. And so like, I was thinking of that all off season, like, all right, you got to change your mentality a little bit because.


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[Assistant] We, you've never had this before and you'll learn how it's different. And to go through those first few games where we weren't clicking on offense much, and especially the Pittsburgh game, I think was our third game.


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[Assistant] And we did it by running the ball and playing good defense. And we lost some guys in that game. Then we went to the Rams in week four.


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[Assistant] Where our defense was still playing great and we, I think we had lost Kittle. We were like at the end of the game, I think eight of our 11 guys out there were backups that hadn't played before.


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[Assistant] And to still able to dominate that game just physically the way RD was playing. That's when I was like, all right, I feel pretty special with this team. And then the offense kept getting better each week. And then we made that move to bring a manual in.


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[Assistant] Which we needed, we just needed a veteran receiver to come and just bring some consistency in. Uhm, he did everything I hoped for. Uhm, and even more, uhm, cause the, just the guy he was, the pro he was, like.


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[Assistant] We really took off and it wasn't just his numbers that did it, but it was just, that's when our offense started to grow up a little bit. And I thought our offense carried us when our defense went through some bad streaks. I mean, there was a time he looked about a five game stretch and our defense thing was ranked like in the bottom five of the league.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, Drew was unbelievable when we went down there and there were a couple Arizona games and that's when the offense started to step it up and win a couple games and


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[Assistant] That's when you knew we were good. I mean, we were 8-0. I felt like every game we went into, I thought we were going to win.


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[Assistant] And our players did too, and you could feel it. And then, you know, the games we lost.


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[Assistant] I mean, to lose in the last second to Baltimore, uhm, the last second to Atlanta, uhm, you know, it's, we feel like we could have won every game and it's, you realize how hard they are to win, but also,


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[Assistant] You realize you're like that because we were good and we were good in every facet, offense, defense, and special teams. And it was very, became very real, um, early on in the year and you could feel it with our players and their confidence. And it was, um, so I was one of the most special years I've been a part of and, um, man, am I still upset that we don't finish it?


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[Assistant] Um, but that's also the NFL. It's not a seven game series and that's what you have to live with in this sport. And what I'm so pumped about is I think we had to make some big off season moves because we lost a couple of guys. I think we did it as good as we could, um, to replace those guys or just still keep being where we're at.


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[Assistant] We got a good team and I just, I want this to get started so bad. I just wanted, I mean, I wish it's just the fifth quarter of the Superbowl and we're getting right back into it because it's weird. We haven't seen our players since then. I mean, I've seen them on zoom meetings and stuff, but I'm just sitting in this office, just waiting for guys to get back and.


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[Assistant] With going through the quarantine and everything, it does, it feels like it just ended. And I feel like I got the same team coming back and we're just waiting to get these rules so we can get started because man, are we pumped to play football.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, that was the timing of it. I don't know if it was exactly right. Our defense carried us at the beginning of the year and when, and then our run game.


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[Assistant] carried our offense at the beginning of the year to where we didn't have to do much and put a lot on Jimmy or we'd have to call a lot of passes.


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[Assistant] During that time though, it allowed us to be undefeated to while all of a sudden.


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[Assistant] I think Jimmy never thought about his ACL, you know, come like week 6, 7, 8, like it just...


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[Assistant] Our defense had a couple bad gains and Jimmy was ready. I mean, he was just being the quarterback he could be and he wasn't the guy coming back from an ACL and that's kind of when


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[Assistant] All right, we got a whole team. It's, it's everything. It wasn't just, all right, now Jimmy's ready. It was the receivers got ready with them. Um, the running backs did Raheem started coming on strong. We were understanding our rotation better. We lost Daly and McGlinchey.


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[Assistant] We, we still ran the ball well. We still won those games. It just gave everyone a confidence, like.


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[Assistant] Oh my God, it doesn't matter who's out there. We are just a good team. And that's what, I mean, we lost Kittle and Ross Dwelley came in and played great. And it was just our team kind of fed off it because it.


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[Assistant] It was real and it just everyone all of a sudden everyone felt good and that carried us for a while and that's why.


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[Assistant] I mean, we were very confident going into the game, all those playoff games into the Super Bowl. And uhm, so we ended up being the second best team.


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[Assistant] We uhm, have some unfinished business with that and uhm, hopefully we can change that this year.


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[Assistant] I don't think you ever totally get over it. Uhm, but I mean, you get your depression leaves. So I guess what that would say getting over it. I mean, I go, I went February and March one. I mean, I wasn't in the best state. I mean, it's.


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[Assistant] When you know how close you were to something and how big of a deal that is, uhm, and how easily you could have done it, uhm, and especially when you feel like you kinda earned it too.


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[Assistant] But you still gotta get it done. It wasn't gonna be a lucky thing. Like, we were that good. So like, that's a hard thing to deal with in February and March because it's so soon.


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[Assistant] But you get over it cause you s- and you love your life, you still are gonna go out and work. It is just a sport, but it- but it's my livelihood. But that's where you get over like the depression and everything and now you get ready to-


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[Assistant] Go compete again. That's what I enjoy doing. And I've also seen this long enough to where


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[Assistant] I mean, I've just watched my dad go through so much stuff and I've watched myself go through so much stuff that in order for you to be a good father, to be a good person and how much it does mean to me, which


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[Assistant] You know how much football means to me. Uhm, our players know how much it means. Anyone who knows me knows how much it means to me.


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[Assistant] But that's also why you gotta make sure that, you know, you're a, you're a man first. You're like, you're a husband first. You're, you're a father first. You are not just a football coach because you can't let that define you.


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[Assistant] And you put it in perspective, and that's what allows you to go on, but...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can deal with it. I can live with it and I can go do it again and I'm not scared to lose. I'll go do it again and give everything I have. Like that's when, what I mean, you can deal with it.


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[Assistant] Because I'll lose 8 times in a row and still try to go for another. And I definitely don't plan on that happening. But that's when you know something can't break no matter how bad it is. And it does kind of make you stronger.