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[Assistant] Guys with talent who are young who have room to grow or backups where we go, Ooh, he's got a little something to him. And if he can kind of just put it together or get some opportunities, he might be able to show them some stuff there. Right? I know it always gets people in the last.


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[Assistant] Episode where I put three rookies who haven't played in the NFL above two guys who are deemed starters, right? All right. Yeah, I know. I took the liberty of like, you know.


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[Assistant] But also at the same time, I think the other guy's physical abilities will close that gap and, and then the coaches close the gap with how they formulate the game plan around it too. Right? So where, where a guy like me, okay, again, how this exercise goes, you can go, okay,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and how I'm doing is a 32, you know, a 40.


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[Assistant] Man, uh, depth chart, right? That's basically what it is. All on the same team, right? We're not getting the advantage of, oh, you have this coordinator and we're gonna take that with you. Or tailored system or whatever it may be. Exactly. So we're not gonna do that. To where, okay.


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[Assistant] I might be able to have a few more things in my system under Sam Howe and Desmond Ritter. I get that. And I might have to simplify something for CJ Stroud.


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[Assistant] That doesn't mean it can't be every bit as effective. Like CJ Stroud, okay yeaah. You know what I'll be able to do with him and it'll work great? We're gonna max protect a little bit and he'll throw 20 yard out routes and comebacks and hit the bullseye all game long. And I can't...


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[Assistant] I'm the one that's trying to, you know, pierce through some of the bullshit and the politics and stats and win-losses. And narratives and hype. Exactly.


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[Assistant] A lot of fun outrage. It always causes outrage. It does. And, uh, it is a fun exercise. You know, you're right, back in the day of the first Bleacher Report, you never even saw where I watched film in the second Bleacher Report office. No.


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[Assistant] I was like, are we working here today or are we just gonna have fun? 100%. It was one of those. So, but, we didn't have an office. I didn't have an office.


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[Assistant] Where it was like a throwaway desk and I could just sit there and kinda do my thing. Probably with no natural light.


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[Assistant] Exactly right, nothing. No, it was literally like a wormhole. It was a wormhole, just like a big closet basically is what it was, but it worked and uh, yeaah, I'm excited to get to this. Hey, when I get to these, this is where it's nitpicky like you were talking about, there's potential to grow, and the one thing that


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what really solidifies it to me is as I start to make the list concise and get a little closer and


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[Assistant] I then, once I start to go, okay, wait, I think I'm getting to the end here. That's when I, my second look of going back to film again, and now watching the people I have in these close quarters.


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[Assistant] One after another, right after each other, that's when I can really go, oh wait, no, this guy's a little bit better right here, oh, I'm watching this guy, ooh, okay, and I can really compare and nitpick, and it clarifies itself in that process and the way I do it.


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[Assistant] Mike White, now with the Miami Dolphins, used to be with Connor's favorite team, the New York Jets, cause we were all blinded by Mike White there for a while. Blinded by White. Right? And White, and as we started in with some of these guys, or this is, Mike White's a guy that, he's got some abilities and skills to where you go. He could be a starter in the NFL.


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[Assistant] You know, if he can continue to play and fix a few things, there's things to like about his game.


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[Assistant] You know, we know why the Jets liked them, and hey, Miami paid them a good little paycheck to come down there and be a pretty damn good backup.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, Mike White, one, he's bigger than people realize. Size is a skill.


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[Assistant] I don't think people realize that he's like a 6'4 human being, right? You know, there's that. His arm is live. I mean, he's got a real live arm. I mean, he can push the ball.


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[Assistant] Now, you know, the negatives and why he's not a bona fide starter, well, he can push the ball and all that, but he can lose control of the football within pushing it as well. That would be something I would talk about as a negative, right? So, he has all the things to be


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[Assistant] Good in the NFL. I think it's refining and maybe just improving in a few little areas to see, to hope that maybe he could get one day to a point where teams can actually look at him and go, you know what?


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[Assistant] Well, we're gonna ride with this guy as a starter. And yeah, we know he's not a superstar, but we can win games with him. And I think the Jets had some, some feelings of that with him. He's tough as hell in the pocket, you know that.


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[Assistant] Tough as hell to almost like where I said with the big arm, where he can lose control and his arm, his motion's a little long. So it can be, it can be a little long, deliberate and what I always say floppy, which can make him, you know, miss a throw every now and then. But again, it's not bad. I'm being nitpicky here.


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[Assistant] Tough as hell as you've seen them over the last two years. You're a Jets fan.


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[Assistant] Tough almost to a point of, hey dude, that's too tough. Like, let's survive this game here. Let's not stand in there and just get, you know, chrism spleen shots 20 times a game here, alright? And he takes, he takes some massive hits. Massive hits. It's definitely something when you watch him back, you go, you gotta improve that man, you know.


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[Assistant] The one thing I liked was he was a more aggressive decision maker this year.


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[Assistant] Right? Where last year, you can speak to it, the Bangles game where he had the good stats, he had a few other games. Checkdowns. It was checkdowns. It was, and it was a lot of, you know, hey, it worked and I get that, but there was...


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[Assistant] You know, some plays where I was like, well, okay, that guy's open down there. I know you took the check down. Okay, you got four or five. It's not a bad play, but there was more there to be had. I did feel like this year, whether the bear game, the Viking game, and even the Bills game where he got hurt, where I went, no, this is a different mindset here this year. There was, and he was looking to strike. So I did like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly right. And I think so. I think he is. You know, one, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, here's one thing, just a common thought that jumps to me. The Dolphins the last few years, or at least last year for Mike McDaniel, they got to see Mike White on film and crossover film and stuff like that, right? So I'm sure they were impressed that way, or even studying the year before in the Jets and all that as well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and yes, I think with, within Teddy Bridgewater, you know, again,


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[Assistant] Bridgewater has an unbelievable injury history. So you don't want Mr. Glass to back up Mr. Glass. That's what I always say, right? Now this guy's not, you know, terribly better. Uh, his is a little bit different of just taking a pounding and being too tough like we're talking about. But yes, I think he is an upgrade from Teddy Bridgewater. You know, one, uh, I think his arm,


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[Assistant] Is much more explosive and he is, like I said from last year, Teddy to me was always a little bit of a manager of the game and too quick to get the ball out of his hands and not stand in there and push the ball down the field and make the big throws and big moments. And I think Mike White has a little bit more of that DNA in him.


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[Assistant] Yes. Or similar offense. Similar offense, right. They have their own pizzazz. But yea, it's going to be a lot of the same basics. And that's what I was trying to say, like with the film, and yea, the same team and your vision wanted you as a backup quarterback, plus


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[Assistant] They've obviously talked well about him behind the scenes, let alone Robert Sala and everybody else that Mike McDaniel knows. So uhm, I think it is a really good signing. And Mike White, if the Dolphins and Tuva do get hurt, yeaah, I don't think they'll lose a whole lot as far as their offense with him at quarterback.


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[Assistant] Gardner-Menshu, the Indianapolis Colts, and I would be shocked when all's said and done. We talked about this a little through the draft process. I think Anthony Richardson will be the starter. I do. You know, his number one flaw is he hasn't played enough. So let's get him out and get him playing.


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[Assistant] So that's just my thought there. But Minshew, I mean...


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[Assistant] He's got great natural feel for the position. He's really your perfect backup. He doesn't want


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[Assistant] You know, he doesn't need a lot of reps to like hit the ground running. That's always what I've been very impressed with with Gardner Minshew. He's played a ton of quarterback, so he's got great feel.


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[Assistant] You know, he, he like Mike White, he sees the field even better than Mike White. He can really process it and go through reads in a hurry. He's a very accurate thrower, especially in the short to intermediate game.


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[Assistant] Now when you get downfield, yeaah, he doesn't have a huge arm, right? You know, and you know, he moves well in the pocket and can do all that and be slick in a little bit that way. He's not a great athlete. Like he's not going to turn the corner and run for a 20 yard run down the sideline, right? But man, you know, Connor, when I break him down a little bit, you know,


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[Assistant] It is the timing, the anticipation and here where he's shocking, when you go back and watch him, he's really.


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[Assistant] Good with people around him in the pocket, right? He's got this way of like, okay, wait, I'm looking to the left at the out route. It's not open.


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[Assistant] Now I'm getting back to the middle of the field where I have an in-cutter, a crosser, right? And he's got pressure in his face and for a small guy, he stands in there and hangs on his back foot and throws the ball and, you know, really does a good job in those type of moments.


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[Assistant] I think it's everything put together. I think that's why I don't know if he'll ever be a starter just because there is that not that higher end attribute to really latch on to, right?


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[Assistant] You know, like I was saying last year, listen, I think the world of Gardner Minshew. I really do. And I took a lot of crap because I was like, hey, the Eagles aren't going to fall off with Gardner Minshew. They're still going to be like damn good. And people kind of took that as like a shot of Jalen Hurts. And I was like, no, the Eagles are awesome. And this guy's better than you think.


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[Assistant] He played, you know, week 16. His first game was at Dallas and he threw over 355 yards. That's like, that's really hard to do. You haven't done shit the whole year and now we're going to throw you in against Dallas who's desperate and does a bunch of crazy shit on defense. Maybe one of the better pass rushes in football.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna ask you, and they don't even run the ball that well that day, and we're gonna ask you to win the game. I think that tells you what they think of him as well. You know, he can play. He's a player. But, to your point,


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[Assistant] He's not going to make a ton of wow throws or oh my gosh, you know, we were struggling and he got us, he put us on his back and you know, got us through some tough times or tough quarters. No, that's not what he's going to be. And that's why he's number 34.


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[Assistant] I think you hit it. That's exactly right. We know Gardner's gonna run practice well. He's gonna look good. He's gonna look good in the preseason. He's gonna do a good job. That's what he always does.


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[Assistant] You know, and you know, hey, you know maybe one of his best attributes when you were talking there and I was thinking about it a little bit too and why he is 34 and maybe ahead of some of the other guys, he does bring a little pizzazz and leadership that I can say like some of the other guys don't. For a backup quarterback,


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[Assistant] He's got something, some shit about him where guys want to follow, right? And you can see that when he's on the field and how the team reacts to him and all that. But I think that, yeaah, it's Anthony Richardson's going to have to fail.


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[Assistant] To not be the starter. That's how I look at it. And again, I have Anthony Richardson as my 36th quarterback because I think his transition will be easy because Sirianni knows how to use that type of quarterback. They're gonna run him and do all that and we talked about it. It simplifies the pass offense and all that.


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[Assistant] I would be shocked if it's not Richardson. Oh, I'm saying, I'm saying like to your point, Richardson would have to play like crap in preseason game two and three and all that to where they go, oh, okay, whoa, we can't even put them out there. It's that scary? Let's go with Gardner-Minshew. And you look at their schedule.


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[Assistant] Where you get the Rams at four, yeaah. I mean, it's, it's, it's not the worst or murderer's row schedule to say, hey, let's start out a young quarterback here and just let him take his lumps. Right? And, uh, we'll see. And, you know, and again, a lot of ways, this is where, again, I like Gardner-Minshew, like you, like you're hearing.


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[Assistant] I think the team is set up more for Anthony Richardson and his offense anyways. I don't look at their team and go, Oh, dropping back 40 times a game and Gardner Minshew picking you apart is what they're made to do. I look at it as handed to John Taylor.


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[Assistant] Keep it Anthony Richardson. Hand it to John Taylor. Keep it again Anthony Richardson. Fake it to John Taylor. Oh hey, there's Michael Bittman Jr. wide open down the field. And that fits Anthony Richardson in my opinion. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] This is a scrapper, this is moxie at its finest, right? Whatever you want to say. Okay, and yeaah.


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[Assistant] I think he's better than the guy that they're deeming the starter. Right now, yes. You know, I think Atlanta's playing the, we think Desmond Ritter has more potential.


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[Assistant] And, you know, will be better at some point during the season. That's the angle they're playing. Right now, as it stands, there's no way I can sit here and tell you that I think Desmond Ritter is better than Taylor Heinecke. No way. You know, just like Minshew, right?


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[Assistant] He's got a great feel for the game overall, you know?


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[Assistant] You know, unlike Mintchou, he's a better athlete. That's the biggest thing. When you watch it, and again, that's where watching them all close together this last time always kind of filters it out for me. Right? Because I'm sitting there, I was sitting there watching Gardner-Mintchou,


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[Assistant] And I hadn't watched Heinecke again yet, right? And I was going, man, am I wrong? Maybe Gardner should be the guy ahead of Heinecke. And then I turned on Heinecke and I went, no, no, no, I'm right. It's, it's Heinecke. Heinecke's, Heinecke.


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[Assistant] You know, natural feel for the game, like I said, definitely. Anticipation, all of that. He's a better athlete than Gardner Minshew.


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[Assistant] You know, Minshew's good in the pocket and can move there, but Heineken has the real ability to like, not only move in the pocket, but get out of the pocket and be scary out that way, right? Whether it's a run or even throwing on the run, that's where he does separate himself a little bit. You know, got a clutch ability that is real.


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[Assistant] You know, and a little bit of that pizazz and fire that people want to follow. You know, I think we all see that. I will say he's not as accurate as Gardner-Minschia. That was one thing that came like,


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[Assistant] But where he makes up for it is his arm is stronger than Gardner Minshew and he makes more explosive throws and plays. And I think when you couple that together with all the other things I said and the playmaking ability, that's why I just have a little bit edging, uh, Gardner Minshew in this ranking.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that at all. Falcons are definitely the team that, you know, and I've said this on the last few podcasts, that I have a star next year to go, team that didn't make the playoffs last year that could make it this year, is definitely them.


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[Assistant] You know, you said all the things they did on defense, AJ Charell's gonna be healthy, they got Bud Dupree, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, we, we draft in Bergeron even in the second round or, you know, the guard from Syracuse tackle wherever the hell they want to use them. I'm with you all the way. And I think that's why they've spent a little bit more money, you know, on the backup quarterback position to protect themselves that way. I don't think they're a team that wants to make it all about the quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, one thing I say is, they wanna replicate, I think, Arthur Smith and what he had in Tennessee with Ryan Tannehill and the Titans and when they went to the AFC Championship game, I think they're perfectly comfortable playing that style of football.


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[Assistant] You know, and uh, yeaah, this guy also is the type of backup.


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[Assistant] Yeah, protects you, but pushes your starter, your starter to know, I gotta be on my shit. This guy's gonna be, you know, he's gonna bring it every day. He's done it multiple times. He's done it multiple times. But uhm, you know, we're Heineken, now you watch him too, he's got, he's creative with his releases.


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[Assistant] He really is. That's the one thing when I went back and watched, man, he's great at stepping up in the pocket, sidearm, running, trying to get out of trouble, throwing a ball, you know, an awkward position, whatever. He's really good at that. It's another area he had an advantage of, you know, over a Gardner men's shoe. Right? You know, his size.


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[Assistant] Is a problem at times. His size and the fact that he can move, it does end up a lot of plays where I go,


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[Assistant] The pocket was kind of collapsing, but you didn't have to get out, but you did because you can't see and you're a little smaller and this is the way you're comfortable. And to me, like, you know, he might find a completion or whatever else, but you know me, I'm like, ah, that's kind of a negative. He needs to just stand in there and hit the guy 20 yards over the middle here.


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[Assistant] And, you know, those are sometimes where his size and athletic ability come back to bite him in the butt a little bit. But yeah, I think that's going to be a nice little challenge, him and Desmond Ritter down there.


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[Assistant] No, no doubt about it. Those are the type of guys, yea, you know, you throw it up to, they're gonna go get it. But yea, he's, and that's where I get into the accuracy thing, right? That's where I, it's like, when you do watch it, you just go, damn, to be a starter, you miss a few too many throws, where I go,


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[Assistant] Man, you guys probably should be up like 8 or 10 here, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, but instead we're, we're gonna wait for you to be clutch on the last drive here because you missed some of the plays in the third and fourth quarter and now you're gonna be clutch and we're all gonna go, oh man, he's amazing, right? And, but that's also why team Washington has moved on from him and stuff like that. Cause you start to realize, yeah, consistently there's


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[Assistant] Some plays left on the table at times, and that's what bothers you, at least when he's your starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] Yep, Jared Stidham, backup quarterback, Denver Broncos, right?


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[Assistant] You know, the first thing I wanna say is like, you know, and you've kinda done a great job of buttoning some of these things up, and I'm sure you have maybe some of the contract numbers and all of that, right? Uhm, Sean Payton, last time I checked,


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[Assistant] He's a pretty good quarterback guy. Just going on a whim here, right? And what did he give Jared Stidham as far as money to be the backup quarterback in Denver?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Jared Stidham has NFL starting quarterback traits. Like, a lot of them. A lot of them. His only thing is, is that not everybody's seen it and he hasn't got to play a lot, right? I've always been a Jared Stidham fan. You know? I think he...


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[Assistant] New England liked him. He got a little unlucky with injuries and things like that and didn't get to put his best foot forward there for a number of years. But there's a reason when Josh McDaniel got that job out there with the Raiders and got Jared Sinem right away.


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[Assistant] Right? Cause he went, wait, wait, I know Stidham. He can play a little bit. Stidham, another guy like Mike White where I'd go, he's bigger than you think. Right?


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[Assistant] Better than Kirk Cousins. It's better than some of the quarterbacks we'll, we'll, we'll dive into, you know, in the mid 15, 16, 17. I mean, his arm is legit. And his ability to process and read the field is damn good too. And then the other thing I'll throw onto that is,


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[Assistant] The athleticism is much better than people realize. He's a good athlete. He's a very good athlete. And he was in college. He was. Right, like in college, I know, I was working at Bleacher Report at that time.


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[Assistant] I remember coming out and going, you know, Stidham reminds me of like Tony Romo.


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[Assistant] With the way he moves and slides and does all that. And I mean, you know, again, I know we haven't got to see him a ton other than preseason and a little at the end of the year last year, but go back and watch those games and you'll go, oh man, Stidham runs more than I thought. Stidham moves in the pocket and makes people miss more than you think. And he's a pretty dead eye.


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[Assistant] You know, bullseye thrower as far as that's concerned. I really am a, I'm a fan of Jared Siddum and I think he's, you know,


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[Assistant] Every bit as good as seeing the field and making decisions is Gardner Minshew and Taylor Heinecke. And then he has way, and he has, now I want to say way more, but more talent than them. He just, not everybody's gotten to see it because he hasn't got a play, and that's why I'm here to do this list.


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[Assistant] Exactly. It's like, no, I showed a little bit, there's a market for me now. So now you gotta pay me. You can't just like go on, oh, you know, I know cause I talked to Josh McDaniels and New England coaches and I've seen the preseason and I liked him when he was coming out of college, right?


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[Assistant] So he was probably, yeaah, hoping he could sneak that into his roster, but Sidum had other plans. And then here's the other thing too.


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[Assistant] You know, like I said, the borderline power arm, he's got sneaky quick release. You know, the more I watched, the more I went, man, when he wants to get the bottom of his hands, he can really do it quickly. Right. And then.


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[Assistant] It has that ability where, you know, I kind of talked about with, uhm, like Gardner Minchuk. Throwing off the back foot. More throws.


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[Assistant] That are impressive with people around them and under pressure that maybe I even gave them credit for.


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[Assistant] You know, where it's, oh, there's Devontae Adams on a 20-yard crosser, and people are around him, and he's kind of have his feet cock-eyed, but he sees him open, and he just turns his shoulders and throws it out there. He does a lot of that stuff. He's got very good mechanics, uh, and I'm, I'm a big fan of Jared Stidham. If he gets in the, gets on the field,


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[Assistant] I mean, if Russell looks the way he did last year and has a four or five game stretch like he did last year, I mean, again, Russell was really bad last year. It's shockingly bad.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Now listen, they're gonna give Russell every shot here. I mean, we know that they paid too much money. He's, he's the guy. But.


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[Assistant] This is like, if you falter or get hurt, this is the guy that can make life, yeaah, interesting and make, you know, life fun for guys like you and me who talk about it all the time. Because, Stidham is well-schooled.


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[Assistant] He knows how to read defenses, execute an offense. There's a reason New England again and Josh McDaniels liked him. And there's a reason Sean Payton likes him because he knows all those things too. He knows it. That's why he spent that money on the guy.


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[Assistant] And he'll be able to run that, you know, the one thing we don't know about Russell is can he really run a system? Right. You know, it's a little bit system and then I want to be backyard Russell and it's like. And that drove Seattle nuts, didn't it? It drove Seattle nuts.


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[Assistant] You know, buy some more time in the pocket and wait for somebody to be more open, right? Stidham's gonna be like, you know, Brady.


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[Assistant] Garoppolo leg and just be like, whoa, one, two, three. Oh, you told me to check to this. I'm on it. Oh, you said if this guy does this to throw the ball in the 20 yard route, right? And the over under there, okay, I'm going to do it. And he's going to be really good and he's going to impress Sean Payton with that stuff. So this is definitely, you know, I don't want to say anything to watch for a quarterback controversy, but if there was something to happen, I think this is a guy that can make things very interesting.


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[Assistant] It's his way. Right. His way, you know, I think the first impression is...


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[Assistant] You know, extremely important to, you know, all coaches, but especially a guy like Sean Payton who knows he's, you know, making big money. I'm a Super Bowl caliber type of coach. He wants to set the narrative right now, this year.


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[Assistant] Kinda what he did in New Orleans. What'd they do the first year in New Orleans? Went to the NFC Championship game, lost to the Bears. So yea, he made some drastic moves to get that team back on track. But like you said, it's the AFC West and there's a gauntlet there that you gotta deal with.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, Jared Stidham is very close. It really was. But Jordan Love, you know, one, I'm a believer in his ability, I guess. That's probably maybe where I got him, I don't know, higher than most or whatever. But here's what I'll take from, you know, preseason.


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[Assistant] The game against Philadelphia, a few other snaps here and there, right? And even going back to two years ago when


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[Assistant] Rogers had COVID, right, and had to have missed the Chiefs game and all of that. You know, one, there were some good signs then.


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[Assistant] Right, but where it changed this year, where you see pre-season one, is you right away could see there's a more...


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[Assistant] Of a comfort zone and knowing the offense and knowing where to go with the ball where he made decisions quick and did it right away. And then when you watch the Eagles game to go in in that situation where he was, I mean, he made some great decisions, seamless, and then


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[Assistant] His arm is special. You know, again, I'm not going to say it's like Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, but damn, it's really, it's really damn good. Like when Jordan Love gets all of it and rips it, it moves through the air and he has some throws that


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[Assistant] You know, maybe we're incomplete in the Eagles game and some other games where you go, ooh, wow, and then some of them are on the money and it's just in the tight coverage and somebody knocks it down or whatever and you go, whoa, there's none of the other guys on the nine that I just, you know, the nine before this that can make that throw. You know, maybe some of the rookies can, but we haven't seen them yet, right? None of the other guys who have been in the NFL can make that throw.


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[Assistant] He's improved his mechanics. He's comfortable in the offense. He's a good athlete. He's got very good size to see up over the line or throw through lanes. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm thinking Jordan Love's gonna open up some eyes this year.


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[Assistant] I think where I got a little maybe carried away and I've told this story in the pod. I mean, I love some of the high end stuff he does. I mean, you, you remember when he was coming out, we were all going,


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[Assistant] Now, where I can still remember the phone call of my dad.


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[Assistant] Some of the erratic throws because at that time too, he let his arm get too long. So he's tightened that up. I mean, there was some throws in college where, I mean, his arm is down like he's a pitcher in baseball and it's just too hard.


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[Assistant] To make it all work and match up to throw a really awesome, accurate football or spin it the right way that way. He's cleaned those things up.


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[Assistant] You know, he's really watched Rogers in a lot of way. I mean, you watch his mechanics, there's sometimes where you're like,


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[Assistant] You don't have to be exactly like Rodgers, be Jordan Love. You don't have to have both feet off the ground and doing some of that, right? But he's getting to the point where he can do it. He can do it and you see it and you go, ooh wow. But yea, it was the decision making and just the little bit of the rawness and the throwing I think that


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[Assistant] Uh, made me drop him that I was concerned about, but, you know, that high end stuff he did.


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[Assistant] And even again, go back to the Philly game, watch some of those throws. Watch the throw.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's a whole shot in the cover too, but it's an unbelievable throw into a tight window and Aaron Jones should have caught it, but it was like bang bang and he got hit as soon as he caught it and the ball got knocked out and it was an incomplete pass, but he has some things there where I think Jordan loves it.


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[Assistant] Show some people this year. I think the Packers are going to be revived because of Jordan Love, no Aaron Rodgers, some new voices in the locker room, them wanting to shove it up all our asses, right? To go, we're going to still be good or you're not going to be good because Aaron Rodgers in there. I think that energy is going to motivate this football team.


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[Assistant] This is how I want to play. Yes, right. He was in a tough situation. This little fooler never got enough credit. The fact that he, you know, was able to be personable and adjust his coaching style.


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[Assistant] This guy's really good. And yeaah, he can get us out of some bad plays at the line of scrimmage and get us in the right plays and do all that. And he trusted his players that way. But yeaah, this brings it back more to what Lafleur wants to do and the vision he sees on the offensive side of the ball.


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[Assistant] You know, again, like, uh, we talked about the Saints, the Saints, I mean, their D is gonna be good. The Falcons, like we talked about, we expect them to be better. Much improved. Right, but these are teams too that...


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[Assistant] You know, where I look at it from Green Bay's standpoint to go, Green Bay out of those teams right there, they're going to go, no, we, we're, we're ready for ball. We've, we've been playing in NSC championships and the playoffs and a lot of big games there in Rogers. So we're not scared of any of these teams or this match up right here.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, the Bears, that defense, it'll be improved, but they know it. You know, I would think, I do think it sets up pretty well for him to get off to a good start. And again, I think the Packers are going to be better than people realize.


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[Assistant] I definitely would, you know. I just, I don't see that. I think you're looking at a roster here and a team that just, you know.


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[Assistant] It had a lot of going on last year, you know, whether it was Rogers and his kerfuffle with the team, there's no Devontae Adams finding that, Christian Watson was hurt.


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[Assistant] You know, they underperformed in the playoffs in their eyes the three years before that. They might have been worn out from those long, you know, those runs into the playoffs, all that. There's a lot that goes into, I, I, I.


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[Assistant] I would bet money on that for sure. Like again, like we talked about Atlanta to be that team that maybe didn't go to the playoffs to get in the playoffs where I'd go, if I have some extra cash, that'd be one I'd throw on there too. This would be another one where you talk about value.


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[Assistant] Making the playoffs, everything like that. Making the playoffs in a conference where it's hard to find four really good teams. There's only three of them right now. And I'd go, we're gonna just go rosters here.


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[Assistant] Like after Niners, Eagles, Cowboys, I think if we get into complete rosters in the NFC,


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[Assistant] The next group down, you start to talk about Green Bay. Okay. Detroit.


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[Assistant] Seattle? Right? I mean, those are the next group of teams, I think, that you start to go, those are the most impressive rosters outside of those top three. I don't know, is there anybody else you're missing there? Washington's getting up there, they're a wild


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[Assistant] You know, mis-evaluating their roster a little bit, mis-evaluating the human aspect. The human aspect of all the things you just said.


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[Assistant] It's disrespectful to Jordan Love. Those defenders are looking at it and going, what the f-


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[Assistant] I mean, we, you know, we had a bad year and we were the 11th ranked defense in football. We're gonna, you know, I just, I would expect them to be better there. They know they don't got Aaron Rodgers. I bet you that run game is going to be even more of an emphasis. The Alliance going to take the challenge on, you know, and then there's some ways to me where I go, I don't know.


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[Assistant] You know, Rogers and some of my complaints in there and just being a little protective and not aggressive anymore, them running the ball, this guy taking shots down the field, you know, there's some aspects where I go, they could be, you know, maybe even a little more dangerous than me.


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[Assistant] $100 on that disrespected Matt LaFleur to win Coach of the Year. If you win you get $2,000, but if you lose you still get $100 worth of free bets.


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[Assistant] You know, one, I don't think they're going to play a style of football that's totally like on the quarterback shoulders, right? We know they're going to run the football and they, they want to manage the game a little bit that way. And then the Eagles, you know, do, do that. I'm not, that's not a disrespectful thing. That's, that's fine. That's what they're good at. I'm not, I'm not trying to say anything like disrespectful there. You know, I think hurts, hurts


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[Assistant] Where, Desmond, this is where I think I was maybe a hair disappointed with Desmond. Desmond Reuter doesn't run as well as I thought he would.


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[Assistant] That would be what I would take away, even from the preseason and into the pros. Like, I don't think he's gonna be a...


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[Assistant] Now, I think he can rip off some runs once he's a, he's a open up guy once he starts to get going, right? Hertz is a gifted runner. Hertz can get up to top speed in two or three steps, right? And he can make people miss, and he's got strength and power to move a pile.


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[Assistant] Ritter is a build up speed guy to where, yes, if they get the run game going and he gets to keep the ball around the edge on a read option, he might be able to rip off a 60 yard run because once he opens up, he's pretty good, but it takes him a little bit to get going that way. I would say similar to that, but I'm not sure if I see maybe even the


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[Assistant] High end aspect of Jalen Hurts. I'm gonna see a little bit more. Hurts, you know, again,


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[Assistant] Two years ago, when he got to play at the end of the season, I was like, oh man, I gotta see more. That's what I think he's just saying too.


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[Assistant] Last year, yeaah, I had them low. I know, I had them in like 25 or 6 or somewhere right in that range. You know, but again, I still was having questions. You know, again, that year they went into


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[Assistant] They had to change the offense in the middle of the year, they finally gave up on trying to throw the football on a consistent basis, went into the running game, and then of course played a playoff game where the number one flaw on the team was the quarterback throwing the ball. So it was hard for me to put him much higher than that.


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[Assistant] He answered the questions and shoved it up my ass this year. Okay? Uh, I don't know if Desmond Ritter has quite that talent that Jalen Hurst does.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I think it's being overrated a little bit. I hear people talk about Ritter. I think you're taking a little bit of a privilege with some of the comments I hear about his run.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he's got a good feel in the pocket, he's tough, right?


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[Assistant] Even though he's not as fast as Desmond Ritter, he's quicker. He can run a little bit. He can. And he can get up to top speed quicker. So he's got a little more acceleration to where there's, and in a lot of ways I'd go, he's a more effective runner scrambler actually than Desmond Ritter. And his, his mechanics and motion are weird.


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[Assistant] You know, he doesn't, you know, you've hurt me enough with throwing and turning your front shoulder and creating opposites. He never really gets his shoulder to the top, the, the, the, uh, the target. He kind of stays open and has his chest to it. He just kind of arms it there a little bit. So that doesn't always allow him to throw the ball great off his back.


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[Assistant] Or, he doesn't really have a sidearm delivery or anything like that. But like you said, it's a sneaky strong arm, and he controls the ball really damn well even though there's some mechanical flaws. Where he's not scared to, oh there's a 20 yard crosser, it's a tight window, I can fit it in there. I think he's the kind of guy that like, talent, aggressive decision maker,


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[Assistant] You know, the scrambling ability he could get up to.


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[Assistant] 18, 19, 20 for sure. I don't know. I mean, damn it. If he gets in this offense, he starts showing me, whoa, he can throw 40 yard bombs on the money consistently. Shit, maybe he'll go higher than that. You know, but I like the offense he's in that fits him too. And it should give him some opportunities to make some big plays and show us what he's got.


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[Assistant] More times than not, and this is a weird thing, I don't know if I really understand it, where it's like...


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[Assistant] If you're not viewed as like a top 10 pick,


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[Assistant] You almost always go to the third round. Like, there's no middle ground. There's no middle ground. It's like Jalen Hurts is the only one. Right, right. Levis was, you know, valued as a top first round type of pick. It's weird though. The second round quarterback, you go back through


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[Assistant] Recent history here. There's very few of them where it's actually like, Oh damn, he was second round. It's like once it's not drafted in the first round.


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[Assistant] I don't know really what happens. It's like teams just go, we got other needs we gotta do. Obviously not everybody valued them the same way as high as we think. So we'll just see where it goes. And usually there ends up being that run like you're talking about in the third and fourth round where they start to go off the board again. I can't really put my head around that one. I don't know. That's a weird one to me always.


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[Assistant] Good question, athletic decline. I can tell you Richardson's on the incline, okay, as far as his athletic ability here. But no, I'm not into the total upside, right? This is not a projection for two or three years or four years down the road.


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[Assistant] This is about right now, and yes, the situation right now. And I think because of that offense, you know, his skill set.


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[Assistant] His skill set, and again, if it was my pecking order or whatever else, right, why he's ahead of them is because if I'm, I'm the offensive coordinator, right, it's my 40-man depth chart, right away I can go with Anthony Richard and go, oh wait, there's some things here I can do with him that I know I can make work right away.


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[Assistant] So that's why he's got the advantage right away. Where Stroud and Young are gonna have to be more about


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[Assistant] You know, the processing and I gotta read coverages and my game is gonna be within the pocket and throwing and doing all that, which there's more of an adjustment. So that's really why Richardson's ahead of them right now. It's not a projection about what I think two, three years down the road.


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[Assistant] It's one of those things, Connor, that you know, football people know, whatever. It's not that you don't have to do it 20 times a game. Once you do it two or three times, the defensive coordinator is like, oh shit, they can do that. So I gotta protect it every time they get in that formation.


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[Assistant] Right? And that's all they need to do. So they don't have to kill him, uh, but it's gonna be there. And like I said, I think that provides him the flexibility to adjust and learn on the fly.


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[Assistant] I think they're a group of guys, you know, like you and me. They're just gonna go...


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[Assistant] Is my life gonna be different if I have 290 million in the bank compared to 250 million in the bank? Is it really gonna matter, right? I mean, is it really? I know that's a ton of money, I get it, but when you have a shitload of money, it's not a ton of money.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, I think they're also the guys that, they're, they're legacy believers. These guys are, they want to be all time greats. No doubt. They want to be the greatest.


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[Assistant] And okay, so you have to sacrifice that a little. And then also, you know, I think what you, you, you realize too on the way too is like, you know,


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[Assistant] You do those things, man, like Patrick Mahomes can make as much money as he wants in a given off season right now. If he literally, if he just goes to his agent, hey, I want to push it this year and really get me in a lot of commercial, he can make $40 million in an off season. He definitely could.


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[Assistant] So that's the other benefit they have too when you're on a good team and you're on TV every year for seven months and in January when you're a standalone game and all that. So I'm with you. I think he's probably going to break the record.


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[Assistant] Of some sort, for what he gets paid per year. But I think overall, he's too smart. He knows what has done it for him right now.


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[Assistant] College? What he had there? I just would be shocked if he does something that breaks the camel's back here. You know, and they got a special thing going. They got the three amigos here right now. And I think, you know, damn, I would think they all want to make it stay that way. And Burrough's contract, of course, is the first thing that needs to get done to get it all figured out.


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[Assistant] The big thing with this whole thing to me, I mean, Burrow, we know is gonna get done. How much is it gonna be? Jamar Chase is gonna get done. It's the Higgins factor that's the one that's iffy. That, that, and he is to me the most confusing one. You know Burrow's a top five quarterback. You know Jamar Chase is a top five receiver.


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[Assistant] Higgins is a number one receiver on a lot of teams, but he ain't gonna be number one in Cincinnati with that guy there. So, he's a top 20 receiver in the NFL.


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[Assistant] I mean, T Higgins is better than Chris Godwin. Today, tomorrow, you know, next week, whatever. Right? So, Brandon Cooks is making 18-something. I'm taking T Higgins over him. So that's where, what's the sweet spot to pay T Higgins the right price? I think that's the most complicated thing in this conversation. I'm with you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not putting their feet over the fire for every last cent I can get and making things so uncomfortable and miserable that yes, it is. I mean, hey, like him or Mike Williams, right? I've taken T. Higgins. I don't think it's close right now. Mike Williams is making like 18 or 19 million a year too. So that's, you know, the receiver market's a little crazy. I would say like,


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[Assistant] Debo Samuel is at 23 million a year, somewhere just north of that. I think that's probably where he's in that range. You know, maybe a smidgen down from there, uhm, but somewhere there.


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[Assistant] I like the ring of that. That's pretty good. It is good. Uhm, I have been saying this. I think this is one of the reasons they were so all in on Rogers.


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[Assistant] And not they, because I think they will, we like Rodgers, we want him to be the quarterback, and we think that's the best thing for us, and it's also the best thing to protect our ass with the Zach Wilson situation if we want to fix it. Right? As I've said, and I said this to Florio I think yesterday, Wilson's the kind of guy that scares you to death if he goes to another team.


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[Assistant] Because he's the kind of guy where, yeaah, Geno Smith or whatever, where fanbases get made fun of and you go, oh, you let that guy walk out the door, and you let him? And again, they've seen some of these throws and plays where they go, woah, not a lot of people can do that, we don't want to just give him away.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I, I think that that is, uh, your, your spot on plug and play 16. What do you think, Connor?


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[Assistant] I am too. I would expect it to be good, you know. Roger's gonna show him process. Roger's gonna show him mechanics.


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[Assistant] People on his own team are going to go, wait, Rogers throws the ball this hard. Whoa, Zach Wilson throws it harder actually, or now, you know what I mean? Or he's right there with him. You know, I think it's going to give him a little bit more of a respect that way with, like you said, not the bullseye or pressure on him. And, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm one that I'm, I'm expecting them to have a good preseason.


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[Assistant] It is, it is. And I think, you know, I think the big thing is, one, when you talk about the offense, right? I don't think that's gonna, you know, change a whole lot or look a whole lot different.


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[Assistant] I mean, Sirianni is exactly right. I mean, Sirianni and Shane Steichen are two peas in a pod, right? So, I don't think anything really changes or looks differently that way. D-votes, I do. D-votes, I think there's going to be a little bit of a different look. You know, Desai


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[Assistant] This is, got a little of the Vic Fangio School of Coaching. It's a little more 3-4 based and, and it's, you know, origins there to where, yeah, it's going to be, I think, a little bit of a different looking scheme than what we saw from Jonathan Gannon, which was more rooted into, you know,


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[Assistant] Matt Eberfluss and, and some of that coaching tree, which is, is a totally different, you know, coaching style and system than what Sean Desai does.


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[Assistant] You know, the decide defense. It's, it's multiple. It's got a lot there to where, you know, they can adjust on a week to week basis. It's very game plan specific. And I think that's where I like, we're Ganon, you know, like I said, the Matt Eberfluss or Mike Zimmer.


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[Assistant] You know, this is already rooted into this defensive system and what


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly. You know, like you said, you said it right. The game's in nickel, right? What I do think is the 3-4 defensive schemes, even though we know most of the time you're down and forward down because it's nickel or whatever else, the 3-4 schemes seem to have a little bit more versatility and


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[Assistant] I know. I would think that's going to become a thing with those two guys on the edge. Like, you know, who's dropping, who's coming, you don't know. They both can drop into coverage, Riddick or, or Nolan Smith. So they can do that. Then, then, you know, in the middle you got, okay, Jordan Davis, you got Jalen Carter and Fletcher Cox.


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[Assistant] He's made for it. Yes. I mean, he's Travis Kelsey. This is one of the guy, I said he's, you know, one of my drop break that I said he runs route like a Travis Kelsey. I mean, he's that kind of guy.


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[Assistant] He did box better than Kelsey did coming out too. But yeah, I think that's, that's how they'll use him. Dawson Knox is a really good tight end, but he don't run routes like this guy does. Or do I think he can do what this guy does after the catch? This is a pretty, pretty special route runner as far as the tight end conversation is concerned. And that's where I think they're, you know,


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's where I look at the old, and this is, you know, he's an unpopular name that I don't bring up here, but like Gronk and Aaron Hernandez thing, right?


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[Assistant] Hey, say whatever you want about Aaron Hernandez, I know some **** shit happened there, right? On the field, what he did there, the first time I saw Aaron Hernandez run around, I literally had to like wipe my eyes, because I was like, wait, is, is, is he really that quick?


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[Assistant] Is he, he's quicker than Julian Edelman? Whoa, okay. Right? You know, Dalton has some of that. And that's where they can, you know, put some teams in a bind here.


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[Assistant] It changes the entire offense. Definitely. Definitely. I might complain about the bills the last two years. Anybody, everybody knows that.


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[Assistant] Gabe Davis is not a number two. He's a really good number three.


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[Assistant] Right? And that's where, to me, they've kinda dropped the ball, or they just missed that little lack of firepower, but you're right. Now you put this guy as your number two, and make him number three, until it's totally different. And then you hope James Cooks makes another little jump, and all of a sudden you go, okay, we got something here. Alright, all of a sudden we became dangerous.


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[Assistant] And I think that's why they made the trade. Cause when they saw the receivers go off the board in the first round, they went, oh shit, there's only one different


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[Assistant] Pass catching type guy to help us right now, this second, and I think that, you know, they value Dalton Kincaid as that guy.


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[Assistant] All right. So, uh, at McFlurry 56, believe it or not, I was the number one player in the country coming out. So I could go anywhere I wanted.


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[Assistant] The United States, right. All these crazy people here, they made me one. So I could go anywhere I wanted. I got into narrowing it down of like Ohio State, Michigan, Tennessee, Penn State,


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[Assistant] In Texas, really, we're probably the final five. Miami might have been in there too. I really loved Miami. I mean, what's not to love? I mean, it was awesome.


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[Assistant] I had a hard time with Miami because I was like, man, there's going to be like 20,000 people in the stands for most of the games, other than Florida State or one other game, right? Yea. And I didn't want to be a part of that atmosphere. I wanted to go somewhere where it's like, no, it's 100,000 every week. Football is the way of life. We're playing a school here that doesn't know how to play football, we still got 100,000 in the stands, right? So, uhm, but, uhm,


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[Assistant] So, long story short, I had a lot of them. Really liked Michigan.


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[Assistant] Really, in my heart of hearts, I probably wanted to go to Michigan or Ohio State more than anything. Michigan had Drew Henson.


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[Assistant] He was a year above me. He was the number one quarterback in the country the year before me. And he was a Michigan kid, so it was kind of like, ehh, right? Like, I don't know if that's going to really work out for me there, right?


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[Assistant] Lloyd Carr, the coach of Michigan. I can still remember him in my family room.


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[Assistant] Sitting there going, Chris, I'm telling you, Drew's gonna go play baseball. It'll be all yours. And I still look at myself and go, damn, I wish I would have listened to freaking Lloyd Carr there.


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[Assistant] Uh, who they really liked was a young quarterback as well, and I had people close to the program kind of...


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[Assistant] So then I got into Tennessee. Peyton Manning had just left. It was the year they won the national championship with T. Martin. It was my senior year in high school. Man, I really wanted to go to Tennessee.


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[Assistant] But they chained David Cutcliffe, right? The famous David Cutcliffe. He was the office coordinator. He was the guy that recruited me. And right before I was going to commit, he left.


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[Assistant] This is MSG. MSG. Little Ramapo helmet in the background right there. Mighty Ramapo. But uhm, yeaah. So then I commit to Tennessee. Cutcliff had just left. Like the day or two before that. It was a killer.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I might have made a little bit of a young, quick rash decision there. You know, Tennessee, I was gonna have to redshirt a year.


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[Assistant] And with all that, Mack Brown had been recruiting me in North Carolina, had loved Mack Brown, he went to Texas, they kept kind of recruiting me, they were begging me to come on a visit, all that. I went on a visit there and it was absolutely amazing.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I changed my mind from Tennessee a few weeks later. And that was one of the toughest things I ever had to do. I mean...


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[Assistant] To tell him that I was decommitting after I'd just committed, you know, two weeks before that, I can still remember the day. I walked in the house, no cell phones, and I can remember my dad with the phone. In my, you gotta call Coach Fulmer today, right now. And I was like, wow.


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[Assistant] So that's how I went to Texas. And I don't know if it was the right decision. It's interesting, still to this day. It is, it is to this day. I had a great time there. I don't know if it was the best for me and maybe my football career arc. Trust me, I mean, I loved it.


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[Assistant] And you had success there. I had success. I had a weird situation. The major Appleweight situation. And then I think him being a southern boy.


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[Assistant] Or I'd be wearing like Tims, right? And they'd remind me that I'm white. And I was like, look, I know. I didn't know that the black people had just, they had cornered the market on Timberland boots, right? So those are the things I'm a little bitter with with Texas. Uh, but either way, some of my best friends and great times there.


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[Assistant] Take a picture, please, because I want to make fun of them on Monday. Alright, I'm gonna be back Monday. Quarterback countdown, I'll be back Monday. Have a great weekend, be safe out there. Connor, you the man. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, send the reward here, we found this guy. He's not missing after all. He's just Bobby Big Time, traveling America.


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[Assistant] Kentucky Derby, Atlanta Braves baseball. Oh my gosh. You look good. Thank you. I watched you more this year than ever before. You did? I did. So, that's the benefit as far as the Kentucky Derby when you have a daughter who's obsessed with horses and everything. Perfect. Right? I was even texting Matt Casey at one point because when you came on at 12, I


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[Assistant] She watched you through and through. Took a little break around 4.30. She did a quick workout and then came back, right? And you were kind of on and off at that point. So I was like, it's okay. Our buddy's gone. Cause she was like,


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[Assistant] Well, she was legitimately surprised when you came on air. Oh, really? She really was. She was like,


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[Assistant] You're, you didn't tell me your buddy was doing this. And I was like, I didn't know you really cared. And she, I was like, yeah, I was there. So that was really cool. I did give you some, I scouted you out a few times. Okay. Your armpits look pretty good.


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[Assistant] I mean, I didn't get a lot of shots of being able to see, I was hoping on the track, when you were on the track, in like an hour before, or 40 minutes before, and you were like, they're gonna finish right here, and doing all that crap, and I was hoping I could see some pit stains there.


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[Assistant] You got out of there fast too. I did that too. Yes. Because I caught you in the background after you threw it to...


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[Assistant] Rebecca Lowe. Rebecca Lowe, I saw you running off the track in the background. I'm always looking for that stuff. Those tractors might get me. Yeaah. Yeaah, right. So wait, tell me about the, the, uhm, the surface. Yes. Like how much does your feet sink into that dirt? It goes pretty far. Right? It's softer than you think. It is.


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[Assistant] You're right. I mean, he is cool, hipster kinda cool guy, so he might do that at some point. Uh, but what's up? I didn't even say hi to everybody. Chris Sims on button, it's episode.


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[Assistant] 500 today. That is right. We are a big deal now. It's official. Uh, and yep, my buddy's back here, but we got things coming up. We're gonna have a good day today. We're gonna be loose, relaxed. We're gonna have


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[Assistant] No doubt about that. I'm gonna need some of that. I already have. I already have. Something, something similar to that. What's the Geritol for? What is that for? Geritol is like, what, like a, something that, I don't know, what is it? In fact, now that you say Geritol, I'm not even sure. Is it like a... Pete, what is that? What's Geritol? I think it's something that heats you...


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[Assistant] And if I do work out too hard or have something in my life change too drastically, like,


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[Assistant] Being on a plane forever. Getting delayed while you're on the plane. A newbie. The lower back thing.


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[Assistant] Well, I know his spring game was nothing to write home about. He's young, he's learning. At Texas. It's hard. At Texas, right? And then, yeah, there's a good chance we could be talking about him for years, but it sounds like Quinn Ewers has got the lead as far as the quarterback competition. I'd be interested to see how that goes, because Ewers has talent, we know that.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I'm excited to see what the manning kid does as, as, uh, the year goes here. Hudson River View, probably your dad's induction into the hall of fame. Wow, that's, I, I wish, but I don't know if that's gonna happen either. I don't know, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he... Well, only one Super Bowl? You're right. Well, in the era, I mean, yeaah, again, you know, the era, his stats are better than Troy Aikman's and better than Joe Namath's and Kurt Warner, they're right there on par with that as well.


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[Assistant] Right? He's only got the one Super Bowl. I think if he's healthy for the second one and plays in that one, he's probably going to get in. But the other part of this too is for people like my dad in that position, politicking has a real


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[Assistant] Part of the process. You have to be like, you're gonna have to call and you're gonna have to get a groundswell going behind you. And you're gonna have to, you know, for somebody like him, he's gonna have to get somebody at the Daily News and the New York Post and everybody to start pushing this message along.


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[Assistant] I have people who tell me I should do it, right? Now he will tell me not to do it if I start to go down that road too much, right? And, but, but, uh, so that's, that's kind of the thing I get every now and then, and I do wonder sometimes if I should be the guy to push him.


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[Assistant] You know, in, in football history, people think he's this nerd that was on TV with Jim Nance. And I went, if you were around my dad or listen to our podcast, he's not that nerd. It's he can't, you can't, you can't shut them up.


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[Assistant] He's hilarious. He says a ton of four letter words. He's really the opposite of what you saw all those years. But that alone can't get someone into the hall of fame. No it can't. No it cannot. And then well his playing days, because it's the Giants defense and Bill Parcells, people think my dad was a game manager.


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[Assistant] And that's where I go, see, you don't know that you didn't pay attention. He threw for 4,000 yards in 1984, but nobody was throwing for 4,000 yards really. It was just, it was a rare thing, right? They were not.


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[Assistant] He led the league, or he was second in the league four or five years in a row for average yards per attempt, right? Cause they were not managing the game. I mean, if you watch old games of my dad in the 88, 86, 87, every throw is 20 yards down the field. I mean, it's never a management, oh, here's a slant or a screen or anything like that.


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[Assistant] So uhm, that's where I think he's misunderstood. But no, I don't think he's gonna get in the Hall of Fame. I don't think he will.


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[Assistant] Oh man, I hope that happens before episode 1000. That's what I'm hoping. I would hope so. I want to be over there for one of these games. I mean, and of course I know we're going to hit on the schedule and all that here in a minute, but yeah, between that and London, uh, I would love at some point for us to be able to go over there and do some shows.


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[Assistant] Well, my first big thought of this whole thing in these five games is that...


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[Assistant] Whoa, like, star power, legit team, I feel like this was always kind of a throw, not a, I don't want to say a throw away game, but it was just like, ugh.


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[Assistant] Who, who are we gonna pick this year that has to play over there, right?


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[Assistant] Because nobody's raising their hand, so who are we gonna force go over there, right? Jaguars. Right, exactly, which we know they're a staple. Which they're good now, though. They are good, so they're excited about that. But I do think this, to me, this schedule here, as far as the overseas, it shows a little bit of a push in star power, and the teams that are legit right now.


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[Assistant] That's where I think I'm a little impressed and shows me that the NFL wants to, you know, put some guys on a pedestal or make them the face of the league a little bit more and, and grow the interest there. And especially that game. Dolphins Chiefs?


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[Assistant] One of the premier matchups the whole season? Yea. I mean...


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[Assistant] More stars on the field maybe than just about any other game you could put together, right?


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[Assistant] And that, that's going to Germany. And of course it's the biggest star in our game. In the prime of his career. That I think shows you how much they want to make the Germany thing work. So that's what I was shocked by. You know, that matchup, Lamar Jackson going against the Tennessee Titans and Derrick Henry and that group. And you get a Trevor Lawrence versus Josh Allen matchup.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean I know the Jaguars are part of that anyways, but they got two games this year, and to have...


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[Assistant] The marquee quarterbacks in our sport.


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[Assistant] Going over there. Those are the crossover figures that I think a lot of people in Europe, you know, buy into, at least. Uh, I think that's gonna be big, and it seems like the NFL wants to make this Germany thing work. Why?


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[Assistant] Goodell mentioned it, I think, at the Super Bowl press conference, that that was on their radar, and that they would, like, big term goals, or big long term goals, is to get a division over there. Floreo always contends that


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[Assistant] This is definitely on their radar and it's only a matter of time and they just gotta figure out these logistics. Florio today too was also saying he thinks the NFL has shifted a little bit. They think that


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[Assistant] There's more of a love in Germany, and he thinks that they think there's more potential in Germany jumping onto this NFL bandwagon, I think even quicker than London.


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[Assistant] Right. I think they kind of learned that. And again, you saw, remember that Seahawks-Bucks game last year. They were rabid. The fans were crazy. They didn't leave. They didn't leave. Right. I was laughing about that this morning too. It was like 45 minutes after the game. There were still like 60,000 people in the stands. Yeah. So, you know, maybe they're on to something there, but they're going to get two awesome matchups. Colts, Patriots, Dolphins, Chiefs should be


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[Assistant] Or, or the teams do have them. The teams have them, right. They're building their videos and whatever else. So yea, if Schefter


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[Assistant] Wow. That's awesome. That's awesome. I'm excited for that. I'm always excited for less games on Sunday because then I don't have to watch, you know, as many games at one o'clock and go, whoa, there's nine games going on at once. But man, that Friday, that Black Friday.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't ever want to do anything other than just sit on the couch anyways. I'm usually in a food hangover and a liquor hangover. Right. And I'm a little comatose, so now I got


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[Assistant] I guess he's got no connections at NBC, but you'll see it all tomorrow. Tomorrow on today. Oh, so it's on Thursday, they're getting to release our thing there?


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[Assistant] So yeaah, and it's, they're most likely at home, unless there's some scheduling conflict. And then, from there, I don't know. It's not the Bangles, I can tell you that, okay? They're playing on Christmas. But that, that's awesome, New Years!


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[Assistant] New Year's, watching some football there. Hey, the holidays are right around, you know, our football Sundays again this year, where Christmas and New Year's.


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[Assistant] I'm not ready to say awesome. I just hope they're in the playoff conversation still at that point, right? And then the Bengals and Chiefs that late in the year? I mean, that could be for the whole Marbles. That could be for home field, number one seed. Who knows what that could be. I imagine that. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Right? So that's where I'm a little worried about that and how that plays out. Uh, but more, I'm more worried about Christmas Eve anyways to me. Yea. I like Christmas Eve. I want to be able to enjoy that night.


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[Assistant] Right, and that's on a Sunday this year, and I worry about, yes, what will we have that night during those activities.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't disagree with that. I don't think any, you know, I...


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[Assistant] I actually, you're sitting here saying that to me, right? Outside of, you know, the rabid Philadelphia Eagles fan base.


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[Assistant] Through and through, 100%, I never heard anything different from anybody, at least in the football world, that didn't think those four were the top four, right? You know, and like I always say, I always release these type of things, and when it comes out, I start to hear from people or whatever. So I heard from people at the time, but then, yeaah, as the season goes on, I don't think anybody right now would disagree with what you just said there.


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[Assistant] It started, it started in, let's see, yea, I guess it was the 2017 season, right? That is when I made the mistake of going on Dan Patrick.


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[Assistant] And him asking me about the Jacksonville Jaguars and what's up with them, cause they were all over the place. If anybody remember, they had this amazing defense, they dominated a game and then they'd lose a close one. You're like, how did they lose to that team? And that's where I went on and went.


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[Assistant] Well, because they have the 70th best quarterback in football, Blake Bortles. And, you know, he was shocked. So that's where it manifested itself.


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[Assistant] So you were like, I will list all the quarterbacks who are better than Blake Bortles. Well, then it became a noose, so I said that, and it caught on.


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[Assistant] Like, to where, like, people were like, I was getting calls, and they were, hey, people, yeah, we were, we were just waving on over, can I have you on the radio? You know, we, we heard your comment about, you know, Blake Bortles and all that, we found that interesting, it became a thing. And then, Lebatard,


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[Assistant] And Stu Gotz, right? The great Dan Levitard. He started to talk about it on his show. They kind of broke it as news. And then Stu Gotz, being the silly human that he is, went, I wonder who the other 69 are in front of him? And, and,


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[Assistant] My buddy Adam Lefkoe from Bleacher Report was like, dude, Lebatard and all them are all talking about your Blake Bortles for 70 thing, you need to come up with a list. And I was like, the last thing I wanted to do.


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[Assistant] And I slowly but surely started to make a list and it became a thing, right? But that was... And Blake Bortles was probably 65. I always feel bad for Blake Bortles. Listen, I was making a point about that. And listen, I'm not saying that I really didn't think Blake Bortles was kind of down towards that region.


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[Assistant] He was playing a style of football and everything there where I go, if you gave a lot of these other quarterbacks that were at 50 and 58 and whatever else, the opportunities that Blake Porter got in his career, you know, it wouldn't look that different. That's the point I was trying to make, right? And a few other points along with it, but it took on.


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[Assistant] That's where I want to make a few tweaks on how I push this this year. Because this list was intended to rank the guys


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[Assistant] Like that year, I was doing it during the season. I was going on every day at the end of December and January and giving a new guy.


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[Assistant] I did the final few, a few weeks after the Super Bowl. So it was kinda like, hey, here's the year and here's how everybody stacks up on my list after watching the year. Now, I've gotten into a little of the last few years of projecting a little bit more, right?


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[Assistant] And that's where I think as from thinking about that, as I told you before the show, even going back and looking and looking at some comments people make and stuff like that, that's to me where I seemed, I think I get myself in trouble. It's where I leave myself open to be shit on by most of social media. And that's where I think I'm going to convey that message a little bit more this year.


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[Assistant] Some projection involved here, right? But more about how it ended last year and, you know, where I think the player is right now at this second, right? Yup. Not trying to go, ooh, well, I think this guy got with Sean Payden and now he's gonna look ten spots better next year or whatever else, right? So, uh, uhm, yeaah, I think that's a little bit more


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[Assistant] You don't even get to keep them. Yes. Now, there's some context within that too. That's where I, that, that, and see, this is where it's like, okay, so,


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[Assistant] So alright, just off of that, let me just throw an example out there.


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[Assistant] There's some guys here that, okay, last year was a little bit of a down year, but there was like eight years before that where you go, this is phenomenal. It's all pro. It's amazing level, right? And then we have a guy who jumped on the scene last year out of nowhere, you know, and had some good stats and they won some games.


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[Assistant] That doesn't necessarily mean I'm gonna go, oh, he's better than that player right now at this moment. You know, did he have a better year statistically and do some things better at this year or whatever and where some injuries may be involved with this player or whatever?


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[Assistant] But that, that does not mean you automatically get put above. There's, there is a little bit of assessment of the body of


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly right. So that goes into this as well. Uhm, but yeaah, I think too, within the timing of we do it and we release it in June, I think too many people have run with, wait, this is how...


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[Assistant] But, but, but, you know, could I take the, you know, jump of like, oh yeah, I expect young guy who's going in from year two to year three to be a little bit better? Sure. But I'm not going to go like over the top with that type of thing and try to use some logic that way.


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[Assistant] There was up and down. There was one year hits last year. There was injuries involved. There's...


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[Assistant] A pretty good lower class or what I would say, like a pretty good class of backup quarterbacks in football right now, where I, as I showed you before my, before the show started, like I can usually go, okay, wait, here's the 32 starters. Here's the 10 or 12 guys.


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[Assistant] Whoa, this many guys and now I gotta cut it down to 40, right? And that's where I found that to be harder than ever this year, let alone the middle class of the NFL starting quarterbacks is always hard.


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[Assistant] I, I, I of course assess the situation. I put on some film on my computer sometimes and go, wait, this is close between this guy and that guy. Let me watch a game or 40 throws or whatever and just see what thoughts percolate in my brain that way. But yeah, I definitely had a harder time with that part of this process.


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[Assistant] I don't have to have Tom Brady at like eight or nine or seven and everybody go, why is he not in the top five?


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. There's guys like him where you just go, where does it go? You know? Talent wise, he's one of the top 40 quarterbacks in football.


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[Assistant] Right? Is he the guy you'd really want to be your backup quarterback in most situations? I don't know if a lot of teams would want that. There's a reason he's still out there in the street. So yeaah, it's guys like him that make things hard here for me too. Yeah, Teddy Bridgewater at 38, still without a team. Exactly, right?


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[Assistant] Played a lot, we know that, but he's also too, injury history, all the, so there's another curve ball.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. See, that's where it gets tricky. See, cause, and that's where I think it's also even kind of screwed me in some years. Where I go, oh, this is a match made in heaven. This is gonna work. So let me project this guy just a little higher.


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[Assistant] And then it doesn't work out and you look like an idiot, right? To where, yeah, that's where.


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[Assistant] You know, yeah, that's where I'll have to describe like, hey, there's some potential here for this guy to make a big jump for next year. But from where we stand right now at this moment, I cannot put him there, but I could see him making the jump. And those are things I think I need to clarify. But yes, to your point, these are the things that are


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[Assistant] They make it tough. They really do. You mentioned a few guys there where I just go, yeah, exactly. I don't know where to put them, how to gauge it, right? We have a crop of


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[Assistant] Rookie quarterbacks, where you know I like to put the guys at the top of the first round in the top 40, right? And I believe that's where they are too, as far as their talent. There's that. There's the unproven Jordan Love, Sam Howell, Desmond Ritter, right? Where you'd like to go, wait, at least the 32 starters should be in the top 32.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a part of me that sometimes thinks, well, who am I to say this guy's in the top 32 if one of the teams is ready to anoint him.


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[Assistant] As one of the starting 32, right? Yeah. But yet you look at it and go, well, there's some guys at 33 or 40 that I can't put Desmond Ritter in front of that guy yet, right?


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[Assistant] So that's where it also gets, you know, troubling, it messes with my mind, it messes with my football, like, hey, I want to respect the Falcons, and they made him a starter, so let's make him one of the 32 best, but that's not the case here.


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[Assistant] Exactly, exactly right. And thank you for phrasing it that way, because I think that is. You're right. Sometimes, and that's where it also lends to, yea, the criticism and whatever else, is people just look at numbers and wins and losses.


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[Assistant] And they go, well, that guy should be higher or whatever. And I want to go, wait, wait, but you don't think if we put these other 15 guys I have in front of them that they wouldn't be just as good, right? I mean, we really, and again, I'm not trying to say anything about where to is ranked and all this and anything that way. He's outside


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[Assistant] But, but I think that's like, you know, yes, it's part of this conversation, and like you said to start it off, we're all in a practice field, we're all running the same offense, and we all have the same coach. And that's kind of how I have to continue to talk to myself.


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[Assistant] Thank you very much. You're right. That's definitely one that I should be proud of. I think you're right within that.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, I'm always proud that I stand my ground with like the Kirk cousins of the world, right? You know, Kyler Murray at 12 last year, I remember feeling like, man, am I, I'm gonna feel a little dicey about putting him that low.


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[Assistant] You know, but I think realistically, you know, with how he played in the year and of course he got injured and all that, you know, it's, it's where he


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[Assistant] Should have been, or whatever, right? Uhm, so I guess, you know, I think you're right, the Gino Smith one's probably the one I look at to go, that does make me feel good.


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[Assistant] I think there's a lot of quarterbacks that we put in San Francisco and you'd go, Oh no, they're better. They're better than they were without Jimmy Garoppolo. So there's just, that's where it is. And then, you know, again, too, um, you got guys like Jaylen Hertz and Daniel Jones where I had questions about.


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[Assistant] Right? And different ways too. Right? Where you get into Daniel Jones 21 where I saw talent.


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[Assistant] But I just said, man, they gotta do something, you know, to help them out so we can all see the talent, right? To, to where we can all see it. And he has the ability with the support system around it to show us everything he has to offer. So they finally did that this year, that last year. So he's going to be significantly up. Of course he is. Um, Jalen Hurts was another one.


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[Assistant] Where, you know, like I said before, I, oh, there's potential here, right? But I had to see it to, to believe it first.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, think about where we were the year before. That's where I want, like I was, uh, it was annoying about that conversation. I know it was low, but literally we went into the playoffs with going, the biggest question about the team was the quarterback. Can he throw the ball?


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[Assistant] But then people wanted me to make him a top 12 quarterback. Like, and I just want to, how? How does that match up to what you're saying to me? We were coming off their playoff loss against the Bucs, right? Where they just got blown out and they could do nothing. Right. And they changed their offense midway through the year from what they were doing and got into something that fits him better, right? But obviously he, he improved.


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[Assistant] In a lot of areas. And he took that opportunity, and of course he's another guy that's gonna jump way up there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I mean, you know, I never would have saw the Matt Ryan fall, right? That was a shocking one to me.


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[Assistant] Well, it was like, we were in some preseason, I think it was a Bills preseason game, and I was like, I don't know, I mean, I know they're still working on things, but I don't even like the way it looks, right? You know, a little, like I said about Matt Corral, I was just like, I don't like the way it looks, we'll see how it goes here.


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[Assistant] So that one was certainly one that pops up to me when I look at it. You know, other ones, um, Tana Hill 15.


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[Assistant] I'm okay with Tanner Hill at 15 from last year. I am. You know, it's, again, he got injured, right? You did. You see how, you know, they're a much better football team when he's out there playing. You know, so, so I don't know. I guess if I was gonna self-scout myself,


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[Assistant] Carson Wentz at 19. Was too high. Certainly.


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[Assistant] I think I played into the hype of just the year before too much. You know, uhm, Zach Wilson at 22. I'm certainly going to take a beating on that, but the way the, the 2022 season ended and the way he played, I thought,


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[Assistant] You know, he looked like he was in that realm and ready to take another jump. Uhm, but obviously fell off and he will fall off in a major way that way. So, I guess that, those are the ones that I look at more than anything. I don't know, it's hard for me to reassess or look back to, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. Top five quarterback. And now listen, you're right. He's being challenged now by people thinking, Oh, did Herbert pass them to Joe burrow pass them. And of course everybody expected


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[Assistant] The bills before the season last year to be in the Super Bowl and they didn't get there. People just want to blame Josh Allen. We know there's more issues to that.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, it's a fun exercise. It really is. And like I said, I'm gonna continue to sell it a little bit more this year as I go through it. And I'm getting there. I'm not totally finalized yet. You know, I feel pretty good about like my top 20. I'm pretty good in that department there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, like I said, the moving parts between 21 and 40 are different, different this year, uh, with some of the young guys, unproven guys, whatever else, uh, make things interesting. But yea, it's gonna be a little bit more, and I'm gonna continue to frame it as that of,


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[Assistant] Yeah, alright, we'll talk about this is where they are right now, but this is, uh, yeah, we'll just dissect the team and how they fit into that team and...


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[Assistant] Yes, what's the potential for this player this year with some of the new pieces or coaches that are


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[Assistant] Who the hell are we missing here? Hold on a second. I mean, did Dan Marino play enough? No, Dan Marino did not get to 500. Right, he did not get to 500. Hmm, wait, hold on a second.


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[Assistant] No, Dan Marina did not get to 500, he's up in the 400 area.


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[Assistant] Damn, Favre, I should have known that one. I don't know why. I didn't know, I don't, I really think he is erased out of my brain right now. Cause literally like, there's been a few shows lately where I feel like he was gonna be brought up and we were like, let's not go down the Brett Favre subject. Right now it's a little dicey. And I've been like, I think I have wiped him off my brain a little bit.


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[Assistant] I can't believe that. Rogers is what? Mid-400s maybe? 450? Somewhere in that range, right? I just wasn't sure.


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[Assistant] Okay. So Patriots? Correct. That is correct. The Raiders are yes as well. Raiders are yes as well? I'm gonna say yes with the way they play in the 70s and 80s. No!


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[Assistant] I would throw, I'm going to throw the Eagle. Ooh, wait, hold on. Don't do that yet. Don't do that yet. Don't do that. I'm going to do the Cardinals. Let's throw the Cardinals out. Cardinals got to get out of


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[Assistant] So now we're getting into teams that have been there for a long time, like the Cardinals were too, don't get me wrong, but also have had stretches of success.


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[Assistant] I- I- I- I- I'm gonna go Eagles. I'm gonna say the Eagles. I don't know wha- Incorrect. It is the Browns? It is the Browns. Damn it!


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[Assistant] They were dominant. I mean, they were the team that was gonna win the championship. I mean, they were the, the patriots of the late fifties and early, or early sixties, I should say, nonetheless, where everybody was trying to, you know, slow that group down and Jim Brown and how to tackle them and all of that.


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[Assistant] Don't answer this yet, or don't say it yet, Pete, but yeaah, let's flush this out. I wanna go down that road with you a little bit, but I don't think Aaron Rodgers


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[Assistant] Has ever had a 500 yard passing game. Agreed. He's got, he kind of was famous forever for being like 330 every game, 330 game, and then it was like a 400 game. You're right.


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[Assistant] I think the highest Mahomes ever threw forward a game was the game we had on Sunday night in football where me and you were doing the Peacock show after. 400 something? 467 against the Titans. I think you're right. Right? So golf would be the 500 and it might have been against Mahomes. Yes! No, it wasn't. Oh, it was the, ooh, okay, cool. So it was golf versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I remember that game.


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[Assistant] 5-17, he threw a few interceptions in the game. Maybe three or four interceptions.


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[Assistant] But I remember in that game where I went, I think that's one of the best games I ever saw Jared golf play. And I remember some grading companies and everything going, that's crazy, you're stupid. And I went, you know, and it was, it was more about the,


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[Assistant] The guy made plays and throws and did things to get his team over the, you know, over the edge. Uh, but yeah, I thought it might've been the Jared Goffers, Patrick Mahomes game, right? Remember that 52-45 game? There was a part of me thought that maybe it was that game.


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[Assistant] Yeah. But, uh, yep. Alright, so we got, we got that one. Good job. Good group think right there.


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[Assistant] Bothered me about them at all last year. I mean, we know they were really good. And they were one of the best teams in football. But I think that the size of their defense align.


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[Assistant] Was a little bit of an issue when they had to play teams like the 49ers or the Eagles. They had to commit so much.


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[Assistant] It's just stopping people because yea, there are smaller defenses, a little more predicated on speed and chaos like we talk all the time. And yea, they play teams like the Eagles.


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[Assistant] You know, the 49ers who didn't have like a marquee marquee passing game.