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[Assistant] That's what I look at. I think they're hungry. I remember Chris Jones last year before the AFC championship game. They remind me of our team from a few years ago. Well, you're the Patriots of a few years ago.


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[Assistant] You know, they're the chiefs. They're looking to slay you to become the new Kings. I think they're going to slay them. I think this is the week they're going to do it. I'm going to pick Buffalo to win on the road. 34 31. I just think they're playing a little bit better football. They match up pretty good. And I just feel like they got a little edge about them right now and really want this. Uh, I'm going with the bills, Mike.


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[Assistant] So we were both feeling the same way. Yeah. I just, I look at it and again, I like the chiefs. I like what they do. Of course they're the champs, you know, it's hard to pick against them.


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[Assistant] I just look at this team going, I think Buffalo's got it right now. And yeah, just like the bangles with Joe burrow making plays on that defense. I just think the bills are going to be making those types of plays on this defense too.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm gonna take the 49ers off the bat. Six is just too much for me, in general. Let alone, I think the 49ers are gonna win the football game. So, I'm going with the 49ers on that one. No brainer for me there.


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[Assistant] That's a good one. I know, I thought about that. I just, I'm gonna go with the Bills as my second one. I am. I just, I think the Bills are gonna win the game. Of course, they're getting one and a half points, but, uh, I, I look at them to win this football game, so I'm gonna go there.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, you're right, I'm done. Duh, I can't add! Damn, so I need-


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[Assistant] No, is it? No, I think I don't feel comfortable about the bet or anything like that, but I think if I'm going to pick one team to lose, I'm going to pick the bangles to lose. I'm going to go with that one. Yeah, the Titans, right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up? That's right. It's Chris Sims. It's Chris Sims. I'm Button, that guy you see next to me with the cool jacket and the gray hair. Yes, that's Polly Burmeister. That's right. I'm calling him out on his gray hair to start off. He's like, what the hell are you doing? Good to see you this week.


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[Assistant] Cool, cool. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I just, I have no interest in dying my hair or faking who I am and just don't give a shit. You know, I don't.


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[Assistant] So that's how I look at it. Oh, natural is what I look at. Yes.


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[Assistant] R.B.'s in the draft. R.B.'s in the draft. Phenomenal class. I think that's where you start off, at least for me. I think since I've been on this side of the business, I don't think I've seen this much quality depth at the running back position since I've been doing this for, let's say, the last seven or eight years now.


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[Assistant] I mean, mid to late rounds works well that way. You're right, exactly. And then I think you got a splash of guys that you can throw in the conversation for, you know, late first round, second round, third round kind of guys. But yes, as we know here in recent history, I think people have been


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[Assistant] You know, they're tentative to draft and running back in the top ten. I understand that.


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[Assistant] You know, Leonard Fournette, Saquon Barkley, you know, even Ezekiel Elliott for as good as he was for that three or four year period. You go, hey, do we really want to put a top five pick at that position? So there is that. And then you look at it and you go, you know, who are the teams with the NFL leading rushers right now? Oh, Derek Henry, second round pick.


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[Assistant] Oh, the Vikings, second round pick, Dalvin Cook, you know, Alvin Camara, what, fourth round pick, third round pick, I can't remember exactly, Nick Chubb, guess what, second round pick, Jonathan Taylor, second round pick, right?


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[Assistant] I, I think this formula go on here. You know, every now and then I think we might see a guy, again, I'm not gonna fault the Giants for drafting Saquon Barkley.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe two was a little high, but at least drafting them high. There was some things when you turn on the film, they just go, it's freaky. There's, there's, there's nobody in the NFL that can do that, let alone college. So, uh, and, and we talk, I talked to players, you know, at the Superbowl this year and even other running backs.


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[Assistant] When I was there, you know, Saquon Barkley's name still comes up as like one of the freakiest guys I ever played or one of the freakiest people I've ever seen in person in my life.


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[Assistant] So there is that aspect and they are still big difference makers on the football team. There's no doubt, but you can find a lot of sizes and shapes and flavors and colors and everybody's run scheme is a little different and how they see things too.


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[Assistant] You know, there's, there's, okay, there's the, the team that pulls guards and wants to running back to kind of slow play it and read the blocks and then hit it.


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[Assistant] And then there's teams like the 49ers. They say, just stretch it out wide a little bit. And when you see a hole, we don't want one more move. We just want you to put your foot in the ground and run straight as fast as you can. And so because of that, you're going to have variance as far as what teams value at the position of


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[Assistant] You know, I think you're saying a lot of good things there. And then too, within that...


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[Assistant] It's a passing league right now. You know, I think of some of the teams that you just mentioned there, like, you know, the, the Titans and the 49ers and even the Patriots who are, you know, a top eight rushing team in football. You know, they're a little bit of the creed too of like, yeah, you know, it's.


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[Assistant] The NFL is so worried about stopping the pass, stopping the pass. We're going to kind of take a left hand turn here and go, let's see if they know how to stop the run. You know, we've talked about this before too, like so many young defensive players coming out of college go, whoa, I've never seen the fullback. I've never seen a pulling guard.


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[Assistant] Woah, this is different for me. So there's that aspect too where teams are doing it. We know how awesome the play-action pass has become and how effective that is. But listen, I think it's a great conversation and what you're saying, you know, you mentioned some of the teams and the teams are the top rushers that are second round picks. The Eagles, the number one running team in football.


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[Assistant] You know, there's Miles Sanders. Second round pick. Second round pick. And really wasn't even like, you know, he was hurt for the year. He's not like a guy you look at and go, Oh, that's the bell cow. They got a quarterback who runs the ball too. So that spreads the wealth and helps out the running back position. So schemes and everything like that play into this as well. Um, but, you know,


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[Assistant] There's still value in the running back. There still is. You still look at these teams towards the top of football. You still go, okay, they got talent back there nonetheless. It might not be Jim Brown or Emmett Smith or whatever, but guys that still can get yards when it's there to be had and do a little extra


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[Assistant] You definitely can. There is value. It's just about is the value in there worth it?


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[Assistant] Okay, we'll do it. The league has become more specialized to your point too, to where, you know, one week a team looks at it and goes,


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[Assistant] We gotta, we gotta throw the ball in the back out of the backfield. Screw the guy that's our best runner. Now let's use the pass catching one. And now he's abusing some weak side linebacker. But then to your point too, yeah, then the next week you play a team and go, Whoa, they got a really good pass rush, but they're undersized and they're small.


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[Assistant] Let's run it at him. Let's do that. And now the other running backs off the bench and a different skill set. So there is, there's a lot of things that play into this and the NFL is more specialized now than ever before in the history.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a great question. It's a deep one. It really is. Like this is one where I sit here and, you know, I didn't know this question was coming. So my brain already started rattling off things where I started to go, well, shit, we can sit here for 30 minutes and talk about this really. Here's the first things I would tell you. One, hard to evaluate.


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[Assistant] The biggest thing is the college game is different than the NFL game. It really is. So you might look at a guy in college and go, whoa, he's really fast. Look at all these big runs. But then he gets in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And it's not the kind of speed that is a big difference maker in the league. Because now, oh wait, there's linebackers that are running 4-4 and the safety runs 4-3 and all the corners. So now that speed that you looked at on film and, you know, we're not sure about the talent he was playing against and all that kind of stuff. So that can lead to mis-evaluation. Or, you know, the same thing with


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[Assistant] You know, and, and, you know, to a degree where I was going there a little bit, it was like, it's contact balance, right? And to evaluate that a little bit. To where, you know, you know, again, I think there's a, there's a different animal in that department where, let's take a Nick Chubb from Georgia, right?


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[Assistant] You know, it, yeah, he's, he broke tackles in college and does all that stuff and you go, okay, cool, great, great, great. You know, then you go, okay, wait, is he going to be able to do that in the NFL? And you know, okay, and he can, you know, had the size and the legs and some of the measurables that go, okay, that makes you think he can do it because of what I'm seeing in college.


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[Assistant] Now you take another guy like Sony Michelle, he was breaking tackles in college and all that, but you get to the NFL.


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[Assistant] And the size difference had an effect on him. He's a little bit of a smaller back and now he doesn't break the same amount of tackles he did in college because the linebackers are a little bigger, the safeties are a little bigger, the defense ends are a little bigger. So he could break the tackle of the 248 pound defense end.


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[Assistant] But now the defense ends 268 and it's a different thing and he can't break that tackle. So there, that's where it's tough.


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[Assistant] You know, let alone dictating the speed. Let alone we get into, again, you know, stats and things like that, where...


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[Assistant] Well, this guy's running through holes and, ooh, it's pretty good. Oh, wow, he's hitting that hard and making moves. Okay, well, it's easy to be a running back when there's holes and everything. You play loose and you just start going, pedal the metal every play. Right. You know, and then, but you can take the other guy and go, well, he's actually just as talented.


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[Assistant] But he's on a team where he never has a hole. So every time he gets the ball, he's like, wait, oh wait, there was a hole, but I'm used to not having a hole. So I kind of danced and wasn't sure it was going to be there. And now I don't look as good on film. So those would be some things.


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[Assistant] That, I would say, jump out. But running back one more thing than other, and what I learned too, even through some of my bad evaluations, is that


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[Assistant] I shit the bed here a little, right? I like my top five, but number three was wrong, right? No, I didn't know some of the others off the field issues. You know, I think he's a little bit smaller in person than I thought he was. I think that led to it too. And again, I didn't get to meet him in person, but I think I put too much, you know,


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[Assistant] Into, whoa, here's a hole and look at how fast he can run and fly through there.


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[Assistant] Alright, well that's not realistic in the NFL. I mean, you get a hole like some of these guys do in college in the NFL like that, like the holes he was running through last year, where I go, man,


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[Assistant] You know, Nick Chubb might have only saw one hole like that the whole year, right? To where he could just run through it and go, man, here I go, I'm taking off.


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[Assistant] You know, realistically in the NFL, you get the ball. Oh wait, I had to make a guy miss. Oh wait, now I got a hole. I made this guy miss. Oh, I broke a tackle and sniffed on it. Now I can turn it on. And I would go, well, JV on Hawkins is not going to be able to do this stuff. To get to that point is what we're talking about. And that's where I miss evaluated for sure.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that's something I've tried to correct myself on and keep myself, you know, on my P's and Q's in that department here.


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[Assistant] I have, obviously was a little low on four. I'm not like, I don't sit here at this list though, other than JV on Hawkins and have too much of an issue with what I have there. Again, we didn't see ETN because he got hurt. Michael Carter, when he got healthy in a groove with the New York Jets, I mean,


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[Assistant] You know, people go back and watch. He had a few games and some plays where you just go, whoa, like there's something to Michael Carter. There's no question.


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[Assistant] Harris and Williams are those guys that I was just kinda talking about where, you know, again, I know like, you know, what you were saying with Harris, the stats don't pop off at you. They don't.


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[Assistant] But man, there is so many good four and eight yard runs or runs that I went, he got zero, but he should have lost three.


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[Assistant] But he broke someone's ankle and broke a tackle to get back to the line of scrimmage. Passing game wasn't helping him either. No, no, exactly right. So you got no passing game to stretch the field. It's a great point. So you got everybody always close to the line of scrimmage because it was dink and dunk and so many short passes there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but the same with Javante Williams. I think that's where I missed on them. It's the value of...


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[Assistant] The run where, oh, there was only two yards there, but they got eight. How important that is in the NFL, and that's where it's different than college, and that's where maybe I didn't give those guys quite enough credit for that aspect of their game. It'll be fun to watch ETN this year. It will be.


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[Assistant] Well, mmm, it's a tough one. They're two different guys. And, you know, Michael Carter has a little bit more, of course more the space element, come out of the backfield, catch some more passes. But,


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[Assistant] You know, I really like Jovante Williams. I really do. I'm not, I'm not gonna lie. Like, he'd be one where...


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[Assistant] I guess if I had to re-evaluate it, yes, I should have put him a little, I should have put him higher. There were so many good, powerful runs and, you know, powerful runs to where we talked about breaks tackles and then he was able to, now I'm out in space and gonna run for 30 more yards. I was really impressed with him and to me, I think he's capable of


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[Assistant] Doing more with less than Najee Harris at times, and doing more with more, if that makes sense. The more with less does, I want to hear more about more with more. More with more of like, oh, here's a hole and there's 25 yards to go get it. Go get it. He can get it. Najee Harris, like I even said last year, and I even saw that this year where I went,


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[Assistant] Oh, he got a good run, but damn, he just can't accelerate or explode and he got a 12 yard gain because that last guy just shoestringed him. And he got 12 instead of Javante Williams got 25. So that's where I like Javante a little bit more, but Najee Harris was damn good and I was certainly wrong with putting him


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[Assistant] You know, first off, 6 foot, 211. I don't know. I want, what I really would like to know is what he played at during the season. Cause he looks like he's bigger than that on the NFL, I mean on the college football field. And, you know, has a guy, here's a guy that's got a little bit of everything in my opinion as far as what I like at the running back position.


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[Assistant] How, we see plenty of plays to go, hey, he's got speed to break 40 and 50 yard touchdowns against elite SEC competition and go, that's another, I know those guys and those are NFL corners and they're, he's running away or scoring touchdowns on the same field as that. And then has,


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[Assistant] Man, what I think I was blown away by was the physicality in which he runs it. How many plays and times where I went


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[Assistant] Whoa, there's not a lot there. Four yard gain. What? He got eight? He got seven? He got 10? That's where I


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[Assistant] Agreed. And that's where I know I've messed up a little in the past, cause I get a little obsessed with the sexiness stuff, or the big playability. And I gotta go, wait, hold on, hold on, the NFL's different here. We got live backers who run 4-4, and they're 2-45, and that guy that's big play is never gonna break the tackle getting through the line of scrimmage to get there.


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[Assistant] So Davis Price has that, you know, so the plenty of speed to break the big plays, he has a special way and two different ways that I like.


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[Assistant] He, he's got the jump cut, right? And for anybody out there, the jump cut.


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[Assistant] Gonna run between the guard and the center gap right there, right on the right side, right in that hole between the guard and the center.


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[Assistant] Right? And all of a sudden he's up there, and oh man, the gap closed. He can just jump his body to the right, still stay square to the line of scrimmage, and then re-accelerate and go. And why that's important is because now your shoulders are still in a position to, if people come in, you can take the blows and continue to go, let alone your body's in a position to accelerate, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] And really all aspects of any running scheme. So you're right. There's that, you know, following the guard between the hole. Oh, I was going to go here, but the linebacker kind of, Oh, I got to jump and get over here. You know, he had that that I liked, but what I really liked even more was, you know, his, his feet.


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[Assistant] He kinda has a way of weaving through traffic. He's got very nice loose hips to where, again, I wish people would watch this, but doesn't need to like...


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[Assistant] Breakdown, right? And I'm, I got a five yard gain. I'm up in the hole. It doesn't need to like, Oh, I got to break down and do this to make somebody miss. Can kind of just.


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[Assistant] So he was really good at that and had very good feet to, okay, wait, I'm running here and pitter patter, boom, stick my foot in the ground and cut this way. I wrote, in fact, he reminded me of a little bit of Leonard Fournette that way. You know, you think about Leonard Fournette had a little bit of that.


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[Assistant] He sometimes has a little bit of that Fred Flintstone pitter patter run, right? But that allows him to weave through little tight spots in between the tackles to get extra yards.


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[Assistant] I really like that. So sticks his foot in the ground, pretty good speed.


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[Assistant] 4-4-8, which I thought was pretty true for this guy. I thought he was a low 4-5, high 4-4 type of guy. But it's an interesting blend of, you know, game breaker-ish type speed.


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[Assistant] Right? Then you got the size where, again, even if it is 2'11", it's okay. The majority of the weight is in his legs, it looks like. He's got great legs. And then the power. The power is real. I mean, he looks to run people over or, hey, there's nothing there, I'm gonna put my head down and I'm gonna go get three yards.


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[Assistant] How many yards after contact he got, you know, how many times I went, oh, it's an 8 yard gain and he put his shoulder down and it became a 14 yard gain or he had people hanging on him and he still put, that's to me where he really jumped out. So, I like the player a lot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I look at him as probably being right in that range of like 50 to 70. Okay. Right? Probably somewhere in that range. You know, so that would take you to about the mid-third round. So I guess I'm saying under there. Yeah. I guess, but it'll be right there in that, I think that little spot. I think so.


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[Assistant] I think he's a little bit of a rhythm runner, if you want me to say that, where...


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[Assistant] He needs carries. Like, if he hasn't got the ball, like as I started to watch there, the one thing that continued to like kind of show up to me, when you watch games especially, as games went on, he was better and better.


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[Assistant] You know, so where I think he just has to, he's a little bit of a, you know, you don't want to give him just like, oh, here's one carry and then we don't give you the ball again for two quarters. Uh, that's where I looked at it. So like once he got in a flow and got a feel for how he needed to run, there was no indecisiveness or anything that I worried about. You know, so I, I really,


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[Assistant] I didn't have problems with that, you know. And one of the last things I wrote down is he just, he gets better the more he got the ball as the year went on. He really did. You see, guys, they get tired of hitting him a little bit in the third and fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] You know, he doesn't wear down, he's still got the quicks and everything along to go with it, but no, I've heard some of those concerns and I can't say that I saw them on film.


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[Assistant] Both, a little bit of both actually. I would say a little bit of both, but really what I was really saying there was yes, the second half of games. You can see, hey first two carries maybe he's getting a little feel for the game. Now it's the third quarter, it's the same run play, he's got a little feel for how the defense is playing.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe he got coached on the sideline, all of a sudden he's gotta get a different gear on how he attacks the line of scrimmage. You can definitely see that.


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[Assistant] NFL starting running back. Like that's where I came away, I think more blown away from the draft. That's why I want to make sure we get to the honorable mentions at the end a little bit because I really came away like


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[Assistant] After the first day, I think I watched like 15 running backs in like the first day and a half or whatever.


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[Assistant] And I came away going like, shit, I think like 10 of these guys that I watched are like, they're starters. That doesn't mean they're second round picks or, but like have starting caliber traits to where I go, man, two years from now, if they're the bell calve of this team, I will not be shocked. Wow. Yeah. I was amazed by that.


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[Assistant] We're staying in the family here, okay? It's a family member. It's a good family for toting the ball. What? Holy cow. Holy DNA package, alright? James Cook, Georgia. That's where we're going next.


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[Assistant] James Cook is, he's a little different than the guy we just talked about. This is where we get into the conversation about, you know, a little specialization where teams like what they expect from running backs.


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[Assistant] You know, James Cook, 5'11", 199. I don't think he is the guy that you want, you know, to run 27 times between the tackles and do that. That's not what he is.


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[Assistant] This is special. He is. He doesn't have the power his brother had. You know, his brother's got a special lower half to where, you know, again, I bet you, I bet you Dalvin weighs more than 210. I bet you that's like...


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[Assistant] Phenomenal. I mean, again, when you talk about, this is a space running back. This is a, like, little bit of a, hey, outside zone, you know, we're gonna go that way. Oh, we saw, you see a gap between the right guard and the right tackle? There it is. Put your foot in the ground and fly through it. And then once you get through it, hey, now you can make some people miss and do all that.


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[Assistant] But that's what he is and, and really for his size, runs with a little bit better power than you would expect. I mean, doesn't just go down on contact. See a lot of plays where people hit him on the edge of the side and he stays up.


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[Assistant] I think there's, there's two things, like, you know, unbelievable in space, the speed is real, don't care who it is and you see him, you go, oh, it doesn't matter, Alabama, Tennessee, whoever, he can run by and run with all these teams, right? Acceleration is like,


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[Assistant] Through the roof's good. Through the roof, where you just go, well 0-60 in two steps, right? And then catches the ball, right? Out of the backfield.


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[Assistant] People will be talking, I'm sure there's a, Cook is that guy that like a lot of teams are watching and go, Oh, I hope everybody thinks he's too small and can't play running back for our team. Let's not say anything. Yeah. He's a difference maker. He's a game breaker.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you're taking me there because that's where it is. You know, first off, he's a, he's a, he's a top notch route runner, like runs like a wide receiver. So you got that. He's going to be able to come out of the backfield and if he got, you know,


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[Assistant] All the Alvin Kamara, Sean Payton, Drew Brees stuff, the half-back choices, come out, we're gonna give you an option according to the coverage, you read it the right way, and how they're playing you, and you gotta cut one of three ways. He's gonna be amazing at that stuff. Off the charts. Let alone, when you put him out at receiver, I mean, slants, slant goes.


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[Assistant] Outwide too. Yeah, I think he's a guy you can legitimately go, hey, it's third and four.


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[Assistant] We got, we, we had him in the backfield, we motioned him out. He's outside, we're gonna throw an outside slant to him on a safety or linebacker. That is an asset. I know. And then let alone reverses, speed sweeps, all of that. So, you know, that's, that's the thing to me that was, he's a natural runner, he's got very good vision.


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[Assistant] You know, he's just got a good feel for the blocking at times where I'd return plays on and go, man, how did he see that hole there already? He just got a feel.


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[Assistant] And kind of knowing how it's gonna, gonna, gonna go. And, of course, can turn 5 into 25 in a hurry. Oh, there's no hole, bounces it outside, and can turn the corner about as easy as anybody, and running back in the draft that way.


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[Assistant] You know, one of the things I'm glad you brought this up to. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You see enough. There's enough over the last few years to go, I mean, how much do I got to see? The guy can break ankles and run by people. I look at it as a positive. I do. Oh, just in terms of wear and tear? I don't even do it. I'll give a lot of coaches credit here and we're going to get into some of them. We're going to get into another one right after this where,


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[Assistant] You could tell there's a concerted effort by some of these college coaches not to kill these young kids.


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[Assistant] You know, the other guy even shares, uh, and, and, you know, again, uh, all right, I'm going to just throw that out there. The kid, his teammate White, right? Uh, is it Kazir White? I've got so many names in my head. Excuse me if I'm blanking on just for a second here. Yeah, Kamir White. Excuse me, Zamir White. Pretty good.


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[Assistant] He's pretty damn good too, right? So some of these schools, they got two pro running backs. It's just, you gotta deal with it. And maybe a third that you don't know about yet. And then they're getting a little specialized too. You know, what we're talking about a little. Just like, you know, George is going, wait, okay, Belkow running back. Hey, put White in. Hey, we want to get into the space game. Throw, you know, Cook back in.


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[Assistant] Elite runner and wide, elite route runner, elite wide receiver out of the backfield and being able to do that. He's going to kill linebackers and the NFL.


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[Assistant] Definitely can. He's a legit like slot receiver type the way he plays. And you know, plays with better strength and size than his measurables would indicate. And the last thing I wrote is,


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[Assistant] You know, the guy's real, and I wrote some of the names I wrote down that he reminded me of. J.K. Dobbins, you know, coming out of Ohio State of the Baltimore Ravens, right? Jerrick McKinnon, when he came out.


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[Assistant] You know, you saw him at Kansas City this year, hey, that's a guy that's had two bad knee injuries, so don't go about there. You know, Aaron Jones-ish, right? But I thought even more elusive in space than Aaron Jones.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe he didn't have the power to lower shoulders like Aaron Jones did coming out.


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[Assistant] But able to be every bit as fast to go 70 to the house, and I think can make people miss in space better than Aaron Jones. So those are some of the names you remind me of.


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[Assistant] You know, one, I think the depth of the position this year in the draft can hurt some of these guys as far as because somebody, they might just go, we need another position here. We love this kid.


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[Assistant] But we know there's another pass catching running back that we just got, you know.


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[Assistant] Not too big of a drop off grade later on. So I think that could hurt some of these guys. He's a little specialized as far as like what we talked about. So you know he's not going to be the guy that's going to go, we're going to give him the ball 25 times a game. It would be a team with a specific running back, pass catching, nader walks. I think it would be like, you know, hey if we were sitting there,


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[Assistant] Kansas City Chiefs got it all. And they did it. That's what I mean. To me, this is like, oh man, if they had James Cook instead of which Clyde Edwards, who I love, but has been a disappointment. There's no joke. That would be the type of thing where, oh maybe. But I do think we're talking about a guy that's


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[Assistant] Top 45, 50 picks of the draft here. I do, definitely. He's too big of a playmaker, he's too explosive, there's not many guys that can do what he can do with the ball in his hands this way.


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[Assistant] What are you showing me? Well, here, like, forward the la- I don't know, it's my script handwriting, but this kid is...


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[Assistant] Another guy that, you know, again, you hear about some of the big names in this, right? And you know, then you get to this process and, oh, okay, running back from Florida, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] One of the more pleasant surprises is the whole evaluation process for me here too. Again, it's just. It's a third one it seems like. It is, I know. Third in a row. Listen, this was not an easy top five to do. It was not. In a good way. In a good way, exactly right.


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[Assistant] I mean, this kid is just a little ball of muscle. Five, ten, two, eighteen. Five, ten, two, eighteen, and again, I doubt it was two, eighteen when he was playing. It was two, eighteen to make sure he ran four, five in the combine. Yes, no doubt about it. It just doesn't look that way. But, thick as hell.


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[Assistant] And I love it. First off, the acceleration is phenomenal. As far as getting to the hole, right? His four, five, nine, four, six speed. Yeah, that's about what he is. He's not a guy that's going to run for 70 yard touchdowns, but he's going to run for a lot of quick explosive.


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[Assistant] It's probably the best in the draft, out of all the running backs. Who's he remind you of?


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[Assistant] Kareem Hunt. Nice. Yes. And you know, I kept sitting there going, watching him, and I'm watching him, and I'm going, man, who does this kid remind me of? There's somebody, it was driving me crazy.


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[Assistant] And then I went, you know what, I think it's Kareem Hunt. He kind of was walking back to the huddle on a play and I was like, man, that, that's, that's Kareem Hunt's walk. That's who he's reminded me of. And then I looked up Kareem Hunt. I went, Kareem Hunt, Combine. And I went, holy shit, they're the fucking carbon copy of each other. Right?


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[Assistant] Power, contact balance, you know, off the charts good. I mean, it's, eh, the acceleration, I told you about that, alright? Then, like, because of the quick feet and the pitter patter and all that,


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[Assistant] He has an incredible way of making people miss. I mean, he's not, like, one on one, the one never gets him. Never. I mean, it was one thing I wrote down as I went on, I just went one on one, the guy never gets him.


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[Assistant] I know, I know. You must love one and two. One and two are pretty damn good. They're special this year. They are. Cause this guy is special too. He is. This guy is a guy that I look at and go, he can lead the league in rushing three years from now. Two years from now. So talk about that. He's quick to the hole.


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[Assistant] He can redirect in a hurry when the hole closes up, and then if he can, he's got tremendous power just to lower his pads and do that. So, you know, that's where he's great.


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[Assistant] Like he's one of these guys where if you don't square him up and wrap up perfectly, you're not gonna tackle him ever. Guys fall off of him left and right. That's where he's good.


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[Assistant] It looked like it was natural. Now you don't, you're not lining up a slot receiver like James Cook and doing all that, but it wasn't like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, you can. He's gonna be amazing at it. Right? It's like, it's just because he's so thick and powerful, like him squaring you up and taking you on, he loves it. Like it's not even, it goes into his violence or I wanna hurt you or whatever else. That's who he is.


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[Assistant] Liability and passpro. You're definitely going to be careful with him. When he's in, you're probably going to go, everybody just get out. Then if they blitz, we're going to get at you quick and then you run. Right? I know. So you got to be careful with that to a degree. You know, even with the Ty Davis price, right? It could, it needs work. It does. You know, with running back so much of the time though, I do think at times it can be a little over evaluated.


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[Assistant] You know, it can be. But it is such a huge part of whether they're led on the field right away. No, it can be. The trust tree. That's the first thing. Can he just figure out who he's supposed to block?


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[Assistant] The rest of the stuff, you know, I always looked at it like, cause I remember getting guys in the NFL, oh, he's not the best at, you know, pass bro, we wish he was a little better or more physical. But it goes into a little bit of the old adjective, like I talk about, you get in the NFL,


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[Assistant] And it's so cutthroat and people aren't kissing your ass and you got guys in the, in your running back room who are also good and they can block the blitzer. So do you want to stay on the field and play and, and do you want to make 10 million a year a few years from now? So team will sign you that. And that brings it out in these guys. Cause it's not like these guys are like,


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[Assistant] You know, Ty Davis, it's not like he's afraid to balk. I mean, he's running over people like he's a Mack truck all the time. It's a little bit, I think, of...


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[Assistant] I'm gonna just try to chop his leg off here. I'm gonna just try to hit him on the edge and knock him down that way.


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[Assistant] You know, do some of them need some work? Yea, they do. Lot you love about Pierce, obviously. Yes, I do.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, I don't have a lot of concerns. I think the other two guys are just a little bit more special. You get to see, you know, a few more variety of different types


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[Assistant] I think so. I don't look at weaknesses here. The only weakness I would tell you is yeaah, I don't think this is a guy that's gonna be able to like, you know, if you're on the ball at your own 40 yard line, he's not gonna turn the corner and run for a 60 yard touchdown. But so what?


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[Assistant] You know, he's gonna make up for it for the amount of like, oh, that should have been a four yard run, but it was a 20 yard run. Oh, that should have been a two yard run, and it was a 12 yard run. That's where he's gonna make up for the lack of game breaking, you know, 4-2, 4-3 game, game breaking speed. Okay, I'm impressed.


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[Assistant] I think we're good. I just, you know, hey, to your point, the earlier thing with James Cook, doesn't have a lot of carries, doesn't have a lot of ways of tearing.


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[Assistant] I know, but to me, and the fact that he's that physical, I'll take it, and I think that's, I think it's a positive really in the end.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think you have emptied the tank. But Breece Hall, who we're gonna talk about right now. Player. He's gonna make people know who Iowa State is, for sure. And I know, listen, I know a lot of people say this is the number one running back in the draft. I like Breece Hall a lot.


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[Assistant] The guy I'm going to talk about next, I like more. And I have no doubt that I like the other guy more. I do. Now, Reese Hall, you know, where do you want to start?


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[Assistant] It shows up. It's, I don't know if it's 4-3. It's low 4-4-ish to me. That's good. Yes, it is good. Either way, he is the kind of guy that can turn the corner and run for a 70-yard gain and be a touchdown and hit his head on the goalpost. Does all that stuff. Runs hard.


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[Assistant] You know, he does fall, fall forward a lot. And what I mean by that is, yea, you know, takes that big blow and the pile doesn't stop there. He gets two, three more yards. So, oh wait, it was going to be second and five. Oh wait, no, Bree Scott, he got two or three more. It's second and two or second and three. Huge difference for a play caller and an offense that way. So that was big to me.


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[Assistant] You know, he gets you, he's gonna be really good in the short yardage situations, right? You know, he's, he's got...


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[Assistant] The loose hips, like I was talking about with Ty Davis, to where, now,


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[Assistant] He's not gonna break you down and break your ankles. And this is one of the things that...


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[Assistant] Oh wait, there's a guy about to tackle me? Let me move my hips and, you know, I got pretty quick feet to where yea, you hit me but barely on the edge of my thigh pad. So I'm still going.


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[Assistant] Because there's too many runs where I go, you gotta hit it here, you gotta hit it, it's there, go! There was too many runs, and I was gonna get to this at the end, but because you said this, uh, and I just wanna make sure I write, get this, you know, I got, I got to a point where I went,


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[Assistant] I wish he got more there. Alright, so let me remind this. Alright, so here we go. I'm at my point. Sorry, I'm reading through my notes. You know, there was too many runs where I saw a crease and I went, he should have got more.


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[Assistant] Where I go, what? Like, why didn't he hit it? Why didn't he put the pedal to the metal and go through that hole at a million miles per hour? So I wrote, I'm a little underwhelmed with that. And I wrote, ooh, I wish he got more there a lot. Which was, you know, there was more there to be had. And I just felt like there was so many there where it was like,


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[Assistant] Yes, he got an 8 or 10 yard gain, but oh man, if he had just hit hard, he would have split those two and got a 30 yard gain, but instead he got shoestring tackled or just tackled. And there was a lot of runs like that.


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[Assistant] That again, we're talking about the top of the top here and how you differentiate the one and two running back in the draft. Those are the little things that you start to look at because both guys that we're going to talk are freaks and can do awesome things. But that to me was he left some meat on the bone a little bit more than the guy we're going to get to at number one in a few minutes.


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[Assistant] Receiver's gonna be good too. He can do all of that. Definitely. Now again, it's not James Cook. You're gonna put him out at receiver and let him run slot routes and outside receiver routes. But out of the backfield, wheel routes.


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[Assistant] Yes, I'm gonna do all of it. So that's, he certainly has that aspect. And here, if you're watching these clips here, you see how natural he is. I mean, it's, it's natural.


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[Assistant] It really is. So this is a all three down, all around running back. Legs and ass guy too. Oh, he's got legs and ass. He's a long, he's a long strider, right? So there's another thing, you know, long striding, it can be good, but


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[Assistant] It can also not be good sometimes when you're taking on shots through traffic or having to really accelerate in a hurry through a hole, right?


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[Assistant] You know, I like the long strides and there's aspects of it that are not the best for you that way. But I told you, he's a weaver. He's not a break your ankles or shake you type of guy that way. You know, not quite as twitchy and as explosive as I would have thought, to your point. It was a little bit more of a...


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[Assistant] Smoothness all the time. And he runs, he can run fast very easily. But when it came to, oh wait, there's nothing there in the hole, let me stop and then restart.


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[Assistant] I wasn't like, oh woah, that was explosive, look at him restart and do that. I didn't say that as much as like I'm gonna say the other guy there.


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[Assistant] It's an extremely good athlete. It's, it's a really good football player. I don't think you can miss here. You know, I don't, you know, it's a lot of similarities to Jonathan Taylor. Like I said, I don't think he's as good as Jonathan Taylor was coming out. I thought Jonathan Taylor was more explosive and also broke more tackles. You know, the name I wrote down here,


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[Assistant] You know, the guy he really reminded me of, and I'm gonna pull it up just to give you a little bit of the measurables here, is Antonio Gibson of the Washington Commanders. Yes. And I know, I don't know if people think that's a good thing or not, but I think Antonio Gibson's a hell of a running back, okay?


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[Assistant] I don't look at it and go, oh, well, that's, how dare you say that? All right. And then you're just so, you know, with Antonio Gibson, first off Washington, you know.


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[Assistant] It's not the best offensive line or offense in football, but.


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[Assistant] Six foot, two twenty eight, alright, so Antonio Gibson is bigger than Breece Hall. He ran four three nine, just like Breece Hall. Had a little slightly less vertical jump at thirty five inches, but you know, the style and the way he runs, it reminded me of him more than anybody else. Uhm, and I really like this kid, but I didn't


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[Assistant] Monday's podcast, right? Yep. Running backs, I started in the middle of the pack. I change it up with these teams. I don't always start at the top. Let me watch the best guy first. I like to change it up because sometimes I feel like if you watch the first guy first all the time, you're always basing everything off of that after that, right? So I kind of went to the middle of the pack.


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[Assistant] Monday's podcast, I was like, Oh, Breece Hall is going to be a first rounder and no doubt about it. No doubt.


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[Assistant] You know, and I think he's my number one running back. I'd only really watched highlights of him to that point.


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[Assistant] I got done with the podcast and I ended up going right home to watch him and I went, oh shit, I don't know. And I got into a few of the other guys and the guy we're going to talk about in a second.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I think it's close if he's a first rounder. I wrote anywhere, you know, 25 to 45. I think somewhere in that range. I wouldn't be shocked if he won at the end of the first, I wouldn't be shocked if it was the first 5 or 10 picks in the second round. Like him a lot, maybe don't love him. Yeaah, I think I'm, I guess I'm a little lower than maybe the rest of the world is on him a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you have to. You have to. And that's where then now...


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[Assistant] Your off the field study comes into play. Where.


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[Assistant] Let's see this guy in person. Yeaah. I need to see, I mean with a running back, I gotta see him with his shirt off and stuff. I gotta see the body. Is this, is this a, is this guy jacked and like look like he's, you know, got the kind of body that can last for a little while? Right? Or is it kind of soft and I go, oh shit, it might fall apart after two or three years.


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[Assistant] I wanna know what his work ethic is like. I mean, those are things that now come into play with these type of guys. Right? And I think it's part of the reason Jonathan Taylor got drafted in the second round. Right. You know? But, Jonathan Taylor is that guy that we're just talking about. Like, psycho trainer.


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[Assistant] Right? Obsessed with every calorie he has, you know, let alone physically gifted, the shirt comes off, you go, holy shit, that's real. Alright? So that's, that's where I think that makes you feel comfortable.


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[Assistant] And as we're seeing Jonathan Taylor through two years in the NFL, he doesn't show any wear and tear as of yet right now. So, it's not foolproof, that's for sure.


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[Assistant] He did, definitely, like the Michigan game, I saw that, and right, I mean he caught my eye, like when I was going back yesterday, and like going, let me watch 10 more plays of each guy just so I can get, feel good about my order, right, and all that, my son came in when he was watching and he goes,


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[Assistant] You said he was going to be awesome. I remember watching him this year in college. You said you liked him. I was like, yeah, I did. You're right. I was blown away by him when turning film on. He is the best running back in this draft. I have no questions about that. No questions about that. He's everything.


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[Assistant] He has everything we just talked about with Breece Hall, except...


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[Assistant] He runs angrier, he breaks more tackles, and he breaks more ankles. So I want to go, okay, wait, there's the same guy except


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[Assistant] Because he's elite in a few areas in my opinion. 438 at the Combine? Exactly. 438 at the Combine. Yup. You know, so I guess you would start there to go, he's elite in that area. Speed. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's to me got, mmm, he's got a lot of things I like.


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[Assistant] You know, a natural feel for running, like I talked with James Cook, where he runs up in the line of scrimmage and there isn't like, oh wait, there's no hole, let me just sit here and wait. It's just like he naturally finds the bounce lane or the next lane or whatever else. He's got great vision for cutback lanes. So he's great there. That's huge. But then, like,


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[Assistant] Other than the kid from Florida, that's the most violent runner in this draft. I mean, it's, it's like, oh wait, I have no way to shake you out here or do anything? Screw it, I'm gonna lower my shoulder and you're gonna pay for this being here in this position. To me, that jumped out of


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[Assistant] Contact balance going through the hole, gets hit hard on the shoulder, he's still running.


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[Assistant] You know, somebody has their arms around them and it looks like they're going to drag them down and he drags himself out of it and keeps running.


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[Assistant] Then runs for 10 yards and then plants his foot in the ground and jukes the shit out of the guy and then runs 25 yards up the field more. I mean there's so many unbelievable runs where you go, that should have been a 5 yard gain and he got 25. That should have been a loss of 2 when he got 12.


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[Assistant] There, that's where I just came away with it and just went, woah. Uhm. Here's an awesome one.


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[Assistant] You know, I, and again, I haven't seen him with his shirt off yet, but I would think he's an Adonis. And the way his legs are, and then his neck, and that, I mean, it just, his body looks like power, even before you turn on the film, you just go, oh, this guy's great, you know. And then, you know, of course, the film backs it up.


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[Assistant] You know, the ability to stick the foot in the ground, the ability to also weave like we talked about with the other guys, but also can just break you down and cross you over. Like, you know, Barry Sanders-ish, where he gets a guy, oh my gosh, that looks silly. He made that guy miss and keeps going. He has that.


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[Assistant] You know, the acceleration is off the charts that way. Pass Pro needs some help. Okay. Definitely does. And again, it's not a like, it's not a smart thing or a, he just, he looks to like,


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[Assistant] He takes the easy way out. He looks to, let me get the, let me get down low and chop his leg out. Or let me.


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[Assistant] I don't wanna square him up here, I just ran the ball five times in a row. Let me kinda just stay on the edge and wait.


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[Assistant] And try to hit him on the side and knock him out that way. There's definitely some of that. And he also only had 18 career catches. Yeah, there's not a lot. There's not a lot. You're not, that's something you're gonna have to kind of figure out as you go. You're driving this guy to be your bell cow. Where you driving? And be your superstar.


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[Assistant] I'm drafting him in the end of the first round. I am. You know, again, we know the running back, where it goes from there and all that, but, you know, I would think he's the guy that, you know, and Bruce Hall too, I understand it, but this guy more so for me, that you would be thinking, we could take this guy in the end of the first


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[Assistant] Walker makes so much more with less. Right? That would be my biggest thing.


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[Assistant] Where I came away with Breece Hall too many times going, ah, like I told you, he should have split that guy or hit it harder and he would have had a 30 yard game, but he got eight.


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[Assistant] And again, still, there's still a lot of other runs the other way. Again, we're being picky about the top two running backs in the draft. Walker, there's so many plays where in that same play I go, he hit it, he split the guys, they didn't even touch him. Or, or they did touch him and it didn't matter and he just ran through it.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, and I've, I thought he was clearly more elusive than Brice Hall, with the ability to make people miss and do that. So, that's where, you know, I thought he was better. Really in about every area of Brice Hall, I went,


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[Assistant] Kenneth Walker, Kenneth Walker. Both can go 70 to the house.


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[Assistant] You know, but Walker was quicker to accelerate and quicker.


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[Assistant] In general, quicker to see the bounce lanes, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, also better between the tackles. I'm writing, I'm letting you ruin my thesis here at the end, the last paragraph. Walker, also better between the tackles. As far as tough yards, getting, you know, five when three was there.


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[Assistant] You know, make someone miss, breaks tackles, makes another guy miss for a 10 yard gain. You know, I wrote his visions better than, than Hall.


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[Assistant] Walker need, need to see more in the pass game, doesn't do it much like I wrote. And then I wrote, no question, Walker makes more with Wes, wakes way more yards after contact and breaks more ankles. Right. And I just can't get over how violent he is as a runner. He reminds me of Joe Mixon.


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[Assistant] Nice. Yeah. I mean top three running back in the late production. He's a shorter Joe Mixon. He's shorter Joe Mixon. The style in which he runs, the way he's rocked up, he's shorter Joe Mixon to me.


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[Assistant] I think the league in general, I don't think it's cause of him, you know, I don't.


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[Assistant] You know, and I'm sitting here looking at the end of the first round, just going, hm, is there anybody here that maybe they, that would make sense? Like, you know, I look at,


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[Assistant] Buffalo at 25. I like Devin Singletary. I mean, man, I don't know. I look at Kenneth Walker and go, he could change your freaking team. He could change your team. Maybe Josh Allen wouldn't have to run nine times a game. On third and two, you don't have to worry about Allen. Now you got a guy that'll do it right here. You know, let alone, oh man, we got to defend him, man. You know, you look at


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's some teams here that, I mean Tampa Bay.


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[Assistant] You know, they could look at it and go, hey, this is icing on the cake. Our offense is kind of set. Leonard Fournette is kind of a one-year deal. We're going to be kind of done here. Ronald Jones just left him free agency. That's right, yeaah. Right? So I look at that to go, there's another one.


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[Assistant] We'll see. I would say more likely than not, it'll end up being in the second round. And again, I don't have a feel for the total draft yet, but I do think there's a ton of defense alignment and offense alignment that are going to get drafted, and because of the depth of the running back class, that might hurt some of these guys from going to the first.


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[Assistant] You know, the four, low four three speed is very real and it's not just a speed guy. Now he's a little bit of a straight liner, you know, but he's, he's the guy to me where I look at and go, Oh man.


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[Assistant] If he's sitting on the board in the late second, third round and the 49ers got the pick, the 49ers gonna take Pierre Strong. Cause he's the guy that we're talking about. Hey, outside zone, just run to the sideline, look at the line of scrimmage and when you see a hole, put your foot in the ground and go. And that's, he's made for that. So yeaah, he's kinda got,


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[Assistant] You know, Jamal Charles. Wow. Yeaah, Raheem Motster-ish type speed, right?


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[Assistant] 4-3-7, lesser conference of football, you know, so it does worry me, you know, he's not the best as far as he's a little bit of an upright, stiff runner.


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[Assistant] Contact, tough yards, things like that at the next level. That's probably why I kept them off the list, but man, do I like that kid a lot.


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[Assistant] If you like Najee Harris, I don't know why you wouldn't like Bryan Robinson.


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[Assistant] To me, this is just like a little bit of a lesser version than Najee Harris. 6'2", 225. Well, I don't know why this kid's not getting a little bit more buzz. See, this drives me crazy about the draft sometimes where I'm gonna go, wait, the difference between him and Najee is what? I don't really know what the big difference is, but this guy's not gonna get the love? You know, first off, it's just not sexy.


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[Assistant] But it's an incredible amount of 8 and 5 and 8 and 5, remarkable runs. He is very good.


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[Assistant] You know, in the NFL, to where, even though it's 4-6-5, I don't think it's gonna affect it that much. The team that really knows and values throwing to the back out of the backfield, he's really good at that. He's a really good receiver. He is really good, right? He's special at running routes, he catches the ball naturally like a wide receiver.


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[Assistant] So your point again, the pass protection, he'd be another guy where I'd go, he's as good as anybody in the draft. He always knows where he's going to go. He's always got the perfect technique. So those teams, I think that yeah, they'll, they'll be valued. You know, I wanted to say like Pete, if you can look up real quick, like what did James White run in the 40?


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[Assistant] That's where I keep thinking, like, if he's on the board in the fifth round of New England's picking, they're gonna take him.


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[Assistant] No doubt. 6 or 8 carries, got 6 or 7 catches out of the backfields, and you got 14 touches in the game, and that's all you needed for it. That's what he is. And there's a real role for that in the NFL. I would think so too. Yea, so to me, we're talking about an NFL running back that's not going to be drafted high, probably not going to be drafted in the top 4 rounds of the draft.


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[Assistant] So like what you're saying, you know, teams that value it and really know how to use that type of guy, they're going to look at him and go, oh great, he's here for us, we can take him and go.


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[Assistant] I like Isaiah Spiller. Isaiah Spiller, I think the only thing that was missing for me was just like the pure power and explosiveness, but like very natural runner, of course the size is really good, and like he's got incredible feet.


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[Assistant] And ability to make people miss. That's what I really liked about him.


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[Assistant] You know, at the same time, he's one of those guys where he made somebody miss, boom, okay, we're off to the races.


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[Assistant] The top running backs, I go, oh, they got 25 more yards. And I go, ah, he only got 7 or 8 more yards, right? There was just a little difference there. But good speed, you know, but just wasn't special. Not as explosive as the top running backs. Good feet and a good ability to make people miss in the open field.


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[Assistant] But after you miss, he's not going to explode and go for 30 more yards like Walker did. That's exactly what I meant. Spiller just not going to, you know, he's just going to get a few more yards.


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[Assistant] Breaks arm tackles, does all that, but not the kind of power either that I felt like, ooh, it moves the pile or nothing's there and he's still got something. That's not what his game is about. Like him though, it really did. Remind me of Chubba Hubbard.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's, there's a few here. You watch the BYU kid at all? The BYU kid could be that kind of guy. He's a power back, he's the guy you would want to be your compliment to a speed jitterbug. Now you got this guy, you're just going, oh shit, he's running straight and he's gonna try to run us over. That's all it's gonna be about, for sure. So, he would be a nice compliment.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Baylor, and I'm, and I'm blanking on their name here. It's, oh, the Alden Smith kid. He's another one, uh, Abram Smith, excuse me, who I, I really liked. I mean, another guy that didn't make my top five, but...


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[Assistant] You know, it was that next group down of five guys where I went, shit. I mean...


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[Assistant] He's, he's a player. He can be a starting running back for a team. So he could be that guy, cause he's not a game breaker, right?


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[Assistant] He didn't run the court 40 at the combine because he's, yeah, these probably looks like a four six ish, but can kind of break tackles and makes, you know, a lot of six and seven yard runs that was nothing there. He can make them happen.


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[Assistant] I'm missing some other guys too. Damn, Kevin Harris at South Carolina wasn't too bad. I mean, he's gonna be getting carries next year in the NFL. It was in a phenomenal class that way. Ty Chandler from North Carolina, something there for him too. Uhm, so I just wanted to...


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[Assistant] Give some love to those guys, and I feel like I'm missing somebody else, but I think we hit it all.


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[Assistant] Oh, he brought up the BYU. We hit on him. Yep. So I think we hit the ones that at least jumped out the most to me. And uh, you know, like I said, I love my top five and I love my guy from South Dakota State. I really do. Pierre Strong Jr. I think he's got a chance to be something.


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[Assistant] I think so. I do. I think you're exactly right. You got a lot of guys that are gonna contribute to NFL teams, whether it's the starter or the compliment back.


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[Assistant] And you go, the compliment back still gets 10 carries a game for our team. Yeaah. Right. And a few catches too, so. You gotta have em. Yes, uh, definitely gotta have em, but yeaah, really good group. It really is. As good as I can ever remember as a whole at the position. That's awesome. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because these are the only two guys that would be even thought about, right? So let's just start there. They're the only two guys that I think are gonna be thought about, right? And, uh, you see my man Damien Pierce there, right? He's number four.


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[Assistant] I think it's those two, and I would, I'm gonna bet, and we can revisit before the draft, that this Kenneth Walker Breach Hall conversation starts to become a little bit more of a thing as we go along here.


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[Assistant] It does seem clear cut to me. It does. You know, yea, clear cut enough to where I want to go. Man, everybody that's just been saying Breeze Hall was the slam dunk number one pick, I want to go.


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[Assistant] Did we watch Kenneth Walker's film? I just, that's where I was a little...


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[Assistant] That's it. I'm glad I'm done with that group cause that was never ending. Alright. That's for sure. And now we'll be on to pass rushers on Monday, which is also never ending. Right? Right. So if you're looking for me to have a life anytime in the next three weeks, I'm not going to have one.


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[Assistant] They all see, they all heard the things that, you know, you talked about to start the podcast and all the second round running backs. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. So, there you go. Okay. There it is. There we go. Earliest, or next question I raised as I was doing the podcast here.


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[Assistant] It is. It's enough to just go, it ain't worth taking one of them in the top 10. Plus, the amount of money, you know, the investment tied up.


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[Assistant] Something Mike Florey always talks about, if they gab this, you take them running back in the top ten, I think is a really good point, and they have a good two or three years, you almost have to sign them to the second contract, you almost have to, so then you're, oh shit.


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[Assistant] We gotta pay him this money now. How much does Mike love the draft? Not that much, not that much.


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[Assistant] Like, like Christian Mc- That's what happened with Christian McCaffrey. Just to say that.


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[Assistant] You know, good first two, first two years, oh wow, blah, blah, blah, year three pretty good though. Hey, we gotta pay him, we gotta pay him, he's doing great.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's right. That's basically what it is. I think that's pretty, pretty safe to say. You're right.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's it. We're done. I'm done. I can't talk anymore. I've had it. I can't take looking at you anymore.


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[Assistant] You need a break from you. Yeaah, I need a break from me. I think the audience does too. I understand that. Don't worry. My wife tells me she needs a break from me all the time as well. Alright. Peace out. Hit us up. Questions. Come on. We didn't even get to answer some of the things that people talked about with my cornerback rankings from Monday. We'll try to address that.


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[Assistant] We'll get to that. We're saving all these questions. Peace out. Have a good rest of your week. Enjoy the weekend. Be safe. See ya. Pauly, you the man. See you soon. See ya.


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[Assistant] Hey now, there's more cameras walking around staring at me. I don't care. I just want to play football. Yea, I want to win a Super Bowl this year.


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[Assistant] I like an old man with a cool cane. When I see him, I'm like, that guy's cool over there. It's like when I walk with the umbrella sometimes, I just go, man, I feel cool. I don't know why, but I'm walking with my umbrella on the side and tapping the ground with it and it just feels cool. I'm gonna be a cane guy now. Alright.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, buddy. What's up? Chris Sims on Button. Chris Sims here.


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[Assistant] Oh, he was talking about Wayne Fonce. That's right. The old Lions coach. Right. And he was talking, but, but I don't know, Kane's one of those things. You like it? I, I feel like if I got to the age where damn, my hips a little sore and instead of like, I'll take the little help


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[Assistant] Yeah, right. I gotta think about this. Okay, well, I think it's like, you're into style and fashion. Sure. Like, to me, I'd almost wanted as much as an accessory. That's where I look at it. It's like, yeah, it helps me out a little bit.


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[Assistant] But when you're cool, you need, I mean, when you're old, you need something to make you a little cooler. I hear that. The cane. Yeah. And you're not saying that you're that old yet, that you need to worry about that, okay? However. But, but you're getting there. Yeah. It's coming, it's coming soon. And then, and then the old, like, you know. I do like the hat. I have a, you know, what the hell do they call those hats? Fedora.


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[Assistant] Fedora, or even like the Bruce Arians, uh. Oh, the Kangol thing? The Kangol, exactly right. Like, I have a Kangol. Nice.


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[Assistant] I pretty much, exactly right, exactly right. I mean, if he can wear like a zip-up sweatshirt on the show. In mid-May? Yeah, so he'll do. Tomorrow he'll wear a sweatshirt. He's gonna get on me about my damn t-shirt today. Alright? So, yes, I wore the tee today. Our guns are out. That's right. Yeah. And, I mean,


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[Assistant] It's not hard to go with the same color as me. It's either black or blue.


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[Assistant] Are you like, are you, this maybe is what you're gonna be when you get older. Jerry Buss, you know, like the Lakers show, like, you remember the Lakers owner, Jerry Buss? You need to watch that first off. The show about the Lakers right now. It's great. It's really good.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if it lasts before Jerry West sues them for the Supreme Court.


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[Assistant] Well, yes, you're right. I keep it simple. That's how I kind of approach all my clothes. That's why they're all black and blue. Cause I'm just like, it's simple. I don't have to think. Uh, that's one I don't get. And I'm like, where's the line of demarcation there? I think you know. I guess you do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, so we got a good one today. I know we do. It's more quarterback rankings. Love it. Right, here we go. We're gonna go 35 to 31, right? Is that where we're going today? Yes, 35 to 31.


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[Assistant] Listen, we got some good QBs in football right now, and we got some young talented guys, we got some really high end backups, and yeaah, we're going to talk about some guys today that have potential to be starters and kind of be good in the NFL, there's no question about that. One piece of news I want to hit on just before we start here.


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[Assistant] Fucking Eagles just signed James Bradbury. Howie Roseman can't get enough. I mean, he's killing the offseason. Yea. I mean, he really is. And I mean, the Eagles, that roster there, and the way they're set up. I mean, Bradbury was overpaid with the Giants. That was not a great contract, but he's still a good player.


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[Assistant] You know, they were paying him like he was Jalen Ramsey or somebody of that nature. He wasn't. But for them to add him now, damn, D, I mean, the D line's good. The linebackers are good. It's the offensive line. I mean, the, the Eagles, you know, I'm a Giants fan and I'm like sitting here going down. The Eagles are going to be good for the next four or five years. There's absolutely no denying it.


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[Assistant] You better listen to the full pod. He might be on here today. He might not. I'm not telling. I'm not telling. I'm not telling either. No, no, he's definitely not. The one person I could tell you that won't be on today, I could tell you a few.


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[Assistant] Hey, Les, I think, you know, the, the Tyrod Taylor Minshew Bridgewater area is a tough


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[Assistant] It's either way. Exactly right. Or why is he even on the list? You don't know what he is. That's why I'm here though, everybody. This is what I do. This is what I'm gonna continue to hit home here.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna conti- this, this is, I know we don't have to agree with everything.


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[Assistant] But you, we can agree that I do this a lot and look at this shit and study it as hard as anybody there is. So that's why I'm here. I, this is why I was trying to tell everybody for the last five years, Matthew Stafford was one of the 10 best quarterbacks in football and a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Oh wait, he got on a team this year and what did he do? Oh, he won a Super Bowl shot.


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[Assistant] Okay, so that's why I, I guess I gotta use some of my experience and knowing my studies and what I've seen and I know that as far as picket is concerned, you know, as you heard me say during, during the breakdown during the draft.


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[Assistant] It's Mac Jones-like to a degree. He's ready to play. I mean, there's no doubt about it. He's, he's...


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[Assistant] You know, other than Burrow and Mack Jones here in recent history, he's about as ready to go as far as knowing how to read the field and play the position that way as we've seen. So that's why I can feel confident about throwing him in the list. And then, hey, I had a few people.


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[Assistant] And I just told you one that we won't give the name out. Drew Locke. People think I got Drew Locke too low.


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[Assistant] And I just, Drew Locke is, I, I, because they all see what I see and I stick up for Drew Locke a lot. The talent's real.


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[Assistant] But it's just like, I don't know if I can trust him. It's all over the place. Exactly right. So, I mean, he could be that guy that goes like, he's 40 this year.


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[Assistant] And then, I mean, he has a great year and you go, well shit, he's in top 20 next year. Cause the talent is worthy of that. It's just all the other things that you need to check the boxes. You can't give a full check or you give no check in a lot of those areas.


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[Assistant] My bias wanted to put him up higher than this. Bias toward what his talent? Yes, and I liked him and I liked him coming out of the draft, but that's where I always check myself before I wreck myself.


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[Assistant] And that's where I go back, when I go back to the film, it usually answers it a little bit for me. And that's where I came to him, like, you, you already said it. Inconsistencies, or when I just watched it, I just went, man, I mean, I, I, I can't trust him. And that to me is, is a big part of being able to be a quarterback. You gotta be, you know, in the trust tree to it, to a degree. Right.


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[Assistant] It's always better. Thirty-five. What do you got? Thirty-five. Davis Mills. It's the Houston Texans starting quarterback.


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[Assistant] Like Joe Burrow did last year to throw the ball harder and stronger, Davis Mills can fix a few mechanics in his game to allow him to throw the ball at him more explosively too.


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[Assistant] You know, there, even there, the arm is too long there in that position with the ball in the hand. What do you mean the arm is too long? That ball in the hand arm there, the angle is almost breaking a little bit. Okay. Alright? I don't love that. His motion can get too long. Yeah. I didn't mean to get in that. It's the first time I saw the picture. Alright? Uhm, Davis Mills though,


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[Assistant] Uh, I think it was one of the more pleasant surprises when I turned on the film. I didn't expect to maybe even put him here. I wasn't sure where he was gonna go, right? Uh, had the first part of the season, you know, when Tyrod got hurt. Had a few moments of playing good here and there, but then of course struggled too.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he came back a different player. The stats say it. The stats say it, the film says it, he came back more confident and sure of himself.


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[Assistant] You know, he's got some ability in his game more than I gave him credit for, I think, coming out of Stanford, to be totally real with you, and maybe more than I gave him credit even at the end of the season last year. Because again, I wasn't glued into Texans football. Most of us weren't. Week 15, yeaah, sorry, I wasn't like breaking it down compared to some of the other top teams in the league.


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[Assistant] So when I did turn him back on, hey, the first thing is, just like we said in the draft, he knows how to play in the pocket.


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[Assistant] He's, he's another guy, like a Kenny Pickett or whatever else. Where, yes, he understands going through reads. He can read a defense and make the appropriate decision. So that gives him a great start there.


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[Assistant] If the pocket collapses or there's trouble, he's a good enough athlete to get out, run, for a few yards, 5, 10 yards, or, you know, make a throw on the run. He is. You know, his ability, again, he's not a thrower, he's a passer.


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[Assistant] He's more about timing and rhythm and anticipation and oh wait I've repped this a lot and this coverage, I gotta throw this appropriate type ball.


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[Assistant] Above this next year, there's no doubt. It's not huge talent, but it's good talent and his ability to play the position is, you know, pretty advanced for the age that he's at right now.


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[Assistant] You know, oh, we got a five yard completion. Great. There was a 20 yard completion to be had. It's the f***ing NFL. It's hard to move the ball. I gotta hit it when it's there. And he did do that. Yeah, early in the year, I think he was a little gun shy. He's not sure what he's seeing, you know, and, and that's why I put him in front of guys like Tyrod Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater. The last point you just said there because


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[Assistant] And pushing the envelope a little bit. And yes, you're right, making throws down the field. You know, ooh, that's a, ooh, that's going to be a tight one. Oh, we got it in there. I mean, there was a lot of those moments. It's not a huge arm. It's not. I get that.


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[Assistant] He is pretty natural at playing the position, and I think when you add that to the size like you're talking about, the ability to look down the field, subtle movement in the pocket and everything there, and then he does have great touch, and his arm is good enough to make all the throws. It's never gonna be a wow arm, but it's a good arm.


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[Assistant] That's where I think it justified putting him ahead of guys like Tyrod Taylor, Gardner Minshew, and uh, Teddy Bridgewater and company.


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[Assistant] I think there is enough around him. I do. Yea, I'm not sold that he's definitely the future yet, right? I think that's gonna be...


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[Assistant] He's gonna have to prove that this year. It's not a slam dunk. It's not a slam dunk. You can see it happening though. I can see it happening. Exactly right. I mean, if he stays on the course that we just talked about at the end of the year, he's gonna be the starter and be the guy. You know, they're, they're not gonna be, I think, the type that's gonna go out and try to get $30 million receivers. Not Nick Casario, that company. They're gonna be like New England was in the day. We're gonna get a lot of,


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[Assistant] You know, A minus and B plus type wide receivers, and try to make it work that way. You know, they're offensive line, it's not bad.


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[Assistant] Right? And, you know, running back, got one of my favorites in Damion Pierce this year, but I think if you ask me in my heart of hearts.


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[Assistant] After doing what I did last week, I can't remember what day I studied him, if that was Thursday or Friday.


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[Assistant] And my heart of hearts where I think I would have gone in the process and go, ehh, he's kind of just holding it down for the year. After I studied it a little bit, I went, mmm, my heart of heart kind of, my gut kind of said, ehh, I think he's going to be the quarterback, you know, for maybe more than just the year. Or at least a few more and we'll see where it goes from there.


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[Assistant] You see, a part of the league values that kind of guy, where they just wanna go, wait, he's gonna run our offense and do that stuff. You know, sometimes I'm not all in favor of that guy, as you know. I'm more of like, wait, is Corral or Malink an idiot?


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[Assistant] Really cool, isn't it? Oh, they're not? Well, I'm going with them. Cause I'm gonna take the talent and I'm just gonna go, I think I can teach them some of the other stuff. Right. You know, that's, that's where I land with that.


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[Assistant] I know that, uh, I'm not everybody's like that. And yeah, somebody like Casario and there's a bunch of other teams too that, that really value the fact of like, no, he's going to play it true to the position.


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[Assistant] And really understands how to play the position and the little nuances of throw the ball away or don't force the ball or, you know, now is the time to take a sack, just get sacked. You know, he's got a good feel.


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[Assistant] Yeah, another guy that you probably didn't think was going to be here, you know, last year. And, and really probably another guy that kind of was like the pleasant surprise of this whole exercise. I think this guy, I think this guy's good. Tyler Huntley. I do. Baltimore Ravens.


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[Assistant] I mean. Because? Well just, he gotta come in and they were in the playoff race still, and they were going through a stretch of the schedule that was probably the toughest part of the schedule for them the whole year.


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[Assistant] Again, don't be all about the numbers here, alright?


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[Assistant] The guy, this was a team that couldn't run the ball. They don't have a marquee number one wide receiver. He ran it well. He ran it well. And their offensive line was beat up last year. You know, the thing I think that came away with more than anything with him is throws the ball better than


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[Assistant] You know, I thought coming out of college or even thought watching last year. Undrafted free agent. Undrafted free agent. Right. It's, it's, you know, again, he's not going to be throwing sidearm and doing all that stuff, but he has a pretty strong arm. He can push the ball down the field.


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[Assistant] And he can put enough zip on it to put some balls into tight windows over the middle to Mark Andrews and company in that. The ball jumps off his hand sometimes. Exactly right, right? There's a few throws every game where I go,


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[Assistant] Why don't you throw like that every throw? You know, and I think he's probably still toying with mechanics and figuring it out and he's young still and of course, hey, he's been able to run and get out of jail free that way at times. But the other thing I love about him is he does want to stay in the pocket.


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[Assistant] He wants to stay. He's not looking to run. And he's a pretty good decision maker. So now you go decision making, right? And I would argue his decision making


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[Assistant] You know, when he came in, like Lamar was going through a tough stretch and not playing all that well. And you know, Lamar, let's say he got hurt in the Cleveland game the week before that I think was the Steelers game. And Lamar was bad in that game and they lost the game they should not have lost. You know, he came in and


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[Assistant] You know, I was pretty efficient with decision making. Yeah. To the point where you're like, damn, it's, it's, he's good there. Yeah. All right. And then, Hey, listen, it's 2022.


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[Assistant] Running, scrambling, quarterback design run plays is part of this evaluation now. Not, you know me, I'm still all about the pocket and you gotta make it happen there. However, if you can do it and just to add that last three games he played


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[Assistant] So, I think, you know, between all of those things...


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[Assistant] He is tough, you know, he can make some special runs happen. He showed a little bit of a clutch gene.


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[Assistant] Really? The way he played in the Packers and Rams game? He certainly wasn't afraid of the big lights of the moment and all that. He had them right there. He had them there. Exactly right. In all the games. Now he got the last game of the year against the Steelers. He got tricked by some coverages a few times. Alright? And you know, I will sit here and still content that


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[Assistant] They were kind of punch drunk at that point, I think as a football team too. You know, it's, everybody's hurt. The defense was crushed. The old line wasn't the same. There's no running backs. I mean, they were hanging on by a thread.


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[Assistant] Right, so I guess I take that into account a little bit either way, but this is another guy that's, he's going upwards, upward trajectory. I really like his game and he'll be a low end starter maybe, you know, when it's all said and done and gets out, you know, a Baltimore or maybe stays there, who knows what the hell happens, but either way, they got a good backup quarterback there.


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[Assistant] It is. I don't disagree with any of that. You know, the, uhm, the conservative thing I think is just, you know, again,


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[Assistant] I think that's something that, you know, again, this is why I'm here. It could speak to a lot of things. Well, it speaks to a lot of things. The state of their team, what he's being told behind the background. Hey, you know, don't take a chance. Our defense is okay. We can hang in there this week against Big Ben and that offense, you know, or whoever it may be. You know, so I think there's, you know, a lot of things. You're, you're young.


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[Assistant] You don't want to screw the game up. You don't want to do that. You're starting your career off. So you're going to, hey, you're going to err on taking care of the football a little bit. You know, but then what you saw, I think to your point is,


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[Assistant] When it got to the point of the game where it was like, okay, you do gotta be aggressive now and push the envelope a little bit, he was capable of doing it. And that's what I liked as well. So, you know, we'll see where it goes, but I'm a fan of Tyler Huntley. I really am. And again,


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[Assistant] You know, I think he showed the ability to make some plays outside the box that can really help a team win a game, whether it's legs or his arm. And that's again where I give him an advantage maybe over some of these other guys. Some of these other guys we've talked about on this list already. Yeaah, they can run the offense and do everything good there. Huntley might be a little less in that department.


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[Assistant] Alright, or, and you're, you know, like you said, a hair conservative.


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[Assistant] When nothing else is there and shit hits the fan, out of some of these other guys we talked about, I go, well, Tyler Huntley can make more happen then than those guys can. And I'm one that maybe puts a little more stock in that than the rest. How about a little QB Jeopardy pop quiz? Bring it back. Ooh, pop quiz asshole. What's that from? It's been a while. Pop quiz asshole. Is that just how you felt in high school? It's an old movie, no.


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[Assistant] What is it? Speed? Oh, you're right. Pop quiz. Speed with Keanu Reeves when they're on the bus.


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[Assistant] And it was, uhm, you know, uhm, it was, uh, Charlie Sheen's dad, right? No, no, no, it's not Charlie Sheen's dad. It's, uhm,


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[Assistant] The guy that did the Nike commercials back in the day, he's, he's...


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[Assistant] I hate when you do this shit. Hold on. Hold on. You make it harder. You give me a, I start to choke more. I'm like, oh, it's obvious. So you're saying it's a Tyler.


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[Assistant] Well, it's eeeeh. Wait, so wait. Read the question to me one more time. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yes, I gotcha, I gotcha. Yeah, I was kinda thinking like rookies and young guys and I was like, wait, who am I missing here? Heinecke hasn't shown up yet. No, no.


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[Assistant] I mean, Heineken, Jacoby Berset, Case Keenum, Colt McCoy, and Fitzpatrick.


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[Assistant] No doubt about it. They were tough ones. They were. And then, again, it just tells you, I think, there's a lot of good guys out there. A lot of good quarterbacks, right. So those were the guys that kind of were off the list. That was my 45 guys where I was going, damn, I got to make it to 40. Which one of these guys am I going to leave off? Right? Yeah, so it wasn't easy.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Gino Smith. Uh huh. Don't let the past infiltrate your brain about what's going on now. Think about that. That's what I want to say.


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[Assistant] Geno's arm is big, alright. Geno plays in the pocket pretty damn well. Geno can get out of the pocket and run.


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[Assistant] Gino's release is legit one of the quicker releases in all of football. It's always over the top. It's a little bit over the top. There's no doubt about it, but he can get it out of his hands and he can make a power throw down the football field. I'm waiting to hear about accuracy. Yes. Okay. Well, accuracy to me, that was probably the biggest thing that I boost them up this year.


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[Assistant] You know, when I watch some of those games and we'll go back, I mean, first off, that offense is not good. So if we're going to talk about Russell Wilson and go, well, they don't give them a lot of options. We got to do that with Geno Smith too. You know, it's not fair. It's very simple. And then with Geno Smith, you know,


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[Assistant] I couldn't get over the control of the football he had last year. You know, whether it was in the tight windows, power throws, quick throws, the ball down the field, whatever. And that was an issue.


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[Assistant] It definitely was, you know, I think he's kind of found the right way to throw the ball for him. You know, I, I do, you know, you're right. It is a little bit of that.


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[Assistant] Over the top motion, but it's quick, it's tight. It never really breaks down. You don't see his arm get away from him ever in some weird way.


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[Assistant] You know, he can go, he doesn't really go sidearm. He'll kind of dip his body, but he can flick it, which is a thing where he can be a guy in his face and just do this and still throw a 20 yard out route and be impressive. And that's where I like Gino. He took care of the football.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he, uh, here's another aspect that I thought was just through the roof good. Alright? His ability to, again, a little bit like we talked about the last two guys,


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[Assistant] Man, Gino, when I went back and watched every throw from the four games.


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[Assistant] Yes, I mean he's got some moments in, in the Jacksonville, in the Steelers game where he moves around and hops around and buys time and you go, damn, and then he throws a laser down the field.


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[Assistant] So he was great there. You know, the way he can slide and do that. Uh, again, you know, I think the Jets and Giants conversation infiltrates people's brains too much with Geno Smith. I do. And I think there last year, again, I would, you know,