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[Assistant] I'm not taking me anywhere. The Oak Foundation Internet is down. They forgot to pay the bill to their internet service provider or something.


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[Assistant] Look at that. It redirects to BeardGlingBowl.com. There you go. Ha! So just like that.


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[Assistant] 15% off if they use promo code outtalk. Are these the calls you use to win all those outcalling contests?


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[Assistant] Corey's too modest, but he's won about 10 more of them than I have, I believe, using these calls, right? Every one of them. Does that mean that if people go by these calls, they're going to win, they're going to be your competition next year?


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[Assistant] Anyhow, I got some new calls there. I, we'll get around to what those are, cause we're gonna, over the course of the,


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[Assistant] Well, I kind of see the same thing. Everything I've done with our platforms is about lowering hurdles.


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[Assistant] Getting people to understand, you can go do this. I mean, a lot of our listeners are probably already Alconers. But there's probably a lot of them who are, they've Alconed a time or two or there's something they aspire to do. And if a guy like me growing up in this little town in Northern Minnesota,


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[Assistant] Who, I thought that the only way I'd ever go elk hunting is if I took out a mortgage on a house.


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[Assistant] And use that. I thought I had to hire someone to take me. I thought I needed some big dollar amount. And then I move out west. I'm like...


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[Assistant] I've made a lot of mistakes in my, whatever it is, 27, 28 years of Elk hunting. I hope that people don't make as many mistakes as I do, or as I, as I did and as I still do.


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[Assistant] Right, you have to fess up to it. That's it. Yeaah. We record everything, so there's no BSing, no lying, no faking it with us.


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[Assistant] We're gonna be here for like four hours if I sit here and rattle off all my misses.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that's what we should focus on in this podcast. At least this episode. Maybe once we get through some of these overview things we'll get into.


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[Assistant] Because Nosler asked me to do an article about my top 5 mistakes El Connors make. I'm like, well I don't know about El Connors, but I'm, my top 5 isn't even gonna be like 1% of the mistakes I've made.


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[Assistant] I mean, really, how do you rank the mistakes? Yeah, I mean, every one of them was a bad mistake, so maybe we'll talk. You can give your five, I'll give my five. Maybe there'll be some common...


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[Assistant] We'll have some time to think about that. I guess the other thing I'd like to know from the audience is who they want us to have as guests.


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[Assistant] And Cory talks about elk hunting and then when he's with me, he blames my distract, my habits or my addictions for his distractions. So you do admit it's an addiction. It's an addiction, but you are a closet dairy queen guy yourself. So don't, in spite of wearing that mountain ops hat up there.


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[Assistant] There you go, you're not putting out any sugar, you're not a very sweet guy. For a week maybe or two. Well, I'm not at my fightin' night. I know that I have a fightin' night. I've seen you after hunting.


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[Assistant] You need dilly bars just to keep upright. Yeaah. When you hunt 100 days a year and eat crappy food and don't get any sleep.


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[Assistant] Take the toll on you, but right now, you got a spare knee. My left knee is killing me. Really? Yeah. And I'm looking at the hunt schedule ad. What is it now? It's late June. And my knee hurt. I can't hardly walk down my stairs at the house.


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[Assistant] I don't know about the sugar part, but I'm following you on the inflammation, cause and


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[Assistant] There you go. That'll work. I was going to say if we're going to do one on fitness, you're going to lead that podcast. I might be on vacation.


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[Assistant] Fitness might be one of them, but that's going to be all you.


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[Assistant] But back to this knee thing, I've got 21 days in Alaska in August that I'm dreading. I've been hiking and I come home and my knee hurts so bad for two days. It's like, uh oh.


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[Assistant] I said, I need a packer. I'm gonna need a Sherpa. Yep. Carry my rifles.


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[Assistant] I can't bring llama. You can't, now there's a, you can't use llamas in Alaska now that they found that transmittable MOV virus thing. They put a moratorium on using llamas in sheep country in Alaska, I believe. Wow. So that transmits to sheep.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, they're not. So, I don't think that'll be a problem.


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[Assistant] So that's rifle hunting, right? I mean, that's how you're rifling. You just drive around on a quad. I've heard that.


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[Assistant] I've never got an elk out. Maybe that's what we should have as a goal this year.


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[Assistant] Of course I got an elk out hole. Yeah, but I'm not smart enough to figure that out. I'm not, I'm not, uh, disparaging anyone who gets them out hole. They've got something figured out. Totally. Maybe we need to have someone here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think we gotta talk about archery hunting and rifle hunting both. Yep. I think, actually...


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[Assistant] I tell people that, that video does not do it justice. It does. The smells, the sounds, the vibration of the woods, just, you can feel it when, when they're mad at you, and they're telling you, hey, the time has come to throw down, it's like,


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[Assistant] I think we also gotta talk about, uh, you'd mentioned scouting.


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[Assistant] We, we need ideas, comments from listeners, whether they want to leave them.


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[Assistant] That's on me. This is how technologically challenged I am. Instagram thinks we're trying to hijack this new Instagram account that we put up. And it wants a security code and it says send it to this email address. None of us have that email address. I haven't. And it's not going there.


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[Assistant] So I don't know if when my social media person built that account, they used a different name.


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[Assistant] Anyhow, I'm sure out on Instagram, they can leave ideas, but I really want their feedback about...


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[Assistant] Things that they think are gaps in their personal knowledge or maybe gaps in what's out there.


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[Assistant] And what that benefit is, is all my work is done by April 15th, so I just go hunt.


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[Assistant] So I get to hunt all kinds of places, all kinds of different environments, weapon types, low country, pinion juniper, high alpine, late season, early season, every state, different climate. Yeah. So I get to make mistakes. I get to make a new mistake every day.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that's, that's the only thing I have to provide as, as background about elk hunting.


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[Assistant] And you set up behind a tree or something. Yeah, and four times in a row I make the same stupid mistake. Okay, in a row I don't do that. Well, maybe not in a row, but over the course of my hunting life, I've made the same mistake.


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[Assistant] Something more than four. And, you know, the funny part is, is every once in a while, you cross off enough of the mistakes. Like you said, experiment. I'm always trying something new. I'm not afraid at all to experiment. And something works. It's like, oh man, I'm smart. No. No, you're smart.


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[Assistant] Because if they looked at my report card in high school, they'd be like, how'd this guy get into college? Really, I bought my diploma. Really? Yea, they were for sale.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about something else. Oh gosh. We're halfway into episode one. This is not going well, Corey. I think that after this episode, people are going to be like, delete that from my subscriber list.


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[Assistant] Yeah. In fact, Lorenzo, the owner of Go Hunt.


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[Assistant] He has an Arizona out tag this year. We're going down to help him and film bringing our llamas.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're going way back into this place, which in Arizona, it's really hard to get away from roads. Sometimes. That's one thing I've noticed in Arizona. And in late season...


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[Assistant] Llamas can carry 500 pounds. No, not one llama.


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[Assistant] Right. No, if you got four Lamans, they can carry.


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[Assistant] 125 pounds each? Uuuh, not that much. Oh, as I say, that's impressive, I might. So, 40 gallons of water. They can carry 90 pounds. Can they really? Yea, these ones, the bohas, they're like big, monstrous things, man. They're taller than I am. Cross-bred with a mule? No! Ah, I don't know what the deal is. You got them on camel-ish growth hormones or something.


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[Assistant] But anyhow, we're gonna go down to Arizona, even though they're having a terrible drought right now. You think?


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[Assistant] Can you do that? You can in Arizona now. They have that point guard thing.


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[Assistant] I don't have any tags, I'm turning back in. I'm just going with it, man.


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[Assistant] And you're going to convince anybody you're going with to turn a tag back in? No. Ah, I don't want anyone turning a tag back in.


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[Assistant] Well no, you could hunt this week and next week. It's not like you get-


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[Assistant] The days you give up this week, it sounds like you get them back. Right.


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[Assistant] So, I'm never turning a tag back in if I, unless, I mean, if my marriage hangs in the balance then I probably would. But, weddings, funerals, no. I think we both have pretty.


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[Assistant] My mind would fall under tolerance. She's way smarter than I am, so I'm kinda like the not-head black lab that you see on the street corner that she just tolerates.


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[Assistant] So, no, maybe we need to do a podcast about how to convince your spouse to let you be gone all the time.


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[Assistant] There you go. That's where I am too. So I think if I, I had this income part associated with it, maybe she'd be even more tolerant, but maybe I don't want to push my luck. So maybe we'll do a podcast on, uh, Merrill advice. I do a lot of that on my other podcasts on talk radio on, uh,


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[Assistant] If you want to know the secret to longevity in a marriage, be more concerned about peace than justice.


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[Assistant] That's good. That's deep. That is deep. I mean, think about that as you're driving down the road listening to this podcast. Think about all the times you wanted to be right. No. It's not worth being right.


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[Assistant] The sooner you figure out you don't want to be right, the better off everything's gonna be. Yup. I mean... Is that the secret to being able to hunt more? Yeah. It is. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, my dad came up with a couple other ideas. He'd buy plastic flowers. Buy them in 1972, they're still fresh.


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[Assistant] Dust, dust them off, you know, get the dust and the cigarette grease off them. And, uh, you know, always flowers there.


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[Assistant] It worked. I'm not going to argue with him. I mean, I think about how much money I spend on fresh flowers. The guy had something going there. So, I mean, my dad and my grandfather especially were full of marital advice. A lot of it is not repeatable.


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[Assistant] That's what that means? I'm like, whew. Glad no one's looking, man. I'm sweating there. But, anyhow. So, wait, I don't think we need too much vernal advice, but there is a lot to be said about...


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[Assistant] Getting to haunt a lot. And the more you haunt, the greater your likelihood of success.


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[Assistant] But the more you, to get to hunt more, you gotta have this marital thing figured out. Totally.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying how it's gotta be or what it's gonna be, just have a plan.


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[Assistant] And have a job where you don't have to work in the fall. Easier said than done, right?


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[Assistant] Right. And income, sometime during the year. During the year, yes. I mean, my wife has said many times, you wouldn't have become a CPA if tax season was in hunting season, would you? Well duh, no!


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[Assistant] I think we need to talk about uh, conservation projects. We need to talk about equipment and gear.


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[Assistant] I mean, you're a gear junkie more than anyone I know. Really?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're, you're, you're like, maybe not a gear junkie, you're a gear, some people call it a gear snob.


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[Assistant] Well, it makes me feel younger. It hasn't made my hair any less gray. But one of the things that I've, they point out to me is how much I take for granted.


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[Assistant] Like my camera crew. Marcus is 28, Michael is 25, I think Dan is 24. My son Matthew, who kinda has helped me build all my other platforms elsewhere, he's 28. And I'll be rambling along saying something and doing a piece and they're like, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. I'm like, what?


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[Assistant] You went from A to Z without filling in any of the gaps. Wait, really?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they do. So, they slow me down or pull me back and say, no, talk about every step here.


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[Assistant] And uh, that's just because I'm old and impatient. This is wisdom my grandma always told me, beware of an old man in a hurry. And uh,


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[Assistant] I don't know what context she was bringing that with, but she said it often. Wow.


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[Assistant] I gotta be careful that I'm not the old man in a hurry to try to say, well, this is what you do, because...


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[Assistant] You make so many assumptions along the way that everyone has done this or done that, and I'm not saying I've done everything, it's just, sometimes I forget to fill in the gaps in details and people are like, hey, you know,


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[Assistant] What do you use here? How do you use that? Or, I mean, like, when I hunt with you.


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[Assistant] And then after a couple hunts with you, part of it is just trying to keep up with you.


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[Assistant] Getting after it. You're not standing around waiting


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[Assistant] That's been very eye-opening for me. And I've heard other people say, oh man, I'm glad I hunted with you because you have a completely different approach and style and I would have not thought about that.


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[Assistant] I've, I've, the way that you, uh, call elk is very similar to how I walleye fish. And I just got done walleye fishing.


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[Assistant] If there are fish that I see on my electronics and they don't want to bite, I just call them carp and I move on.


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[Assistant] If you don't want to play, I'm, I'm going on to the next one. Doesn't matter what they are. If they aren't biting, you aren't going to catch them. Right. And so I've, I've watched you kind of do this, you know, I'm like, well.


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[Assistant] There's gotta be elk in here, there's tracks or whatever, and you'd say, well they don't want to play, we'll come back later.


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[Assistant] Huh. Well, the fun part about uh, hunting with someone like you is...


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[Assistant] Because you are so vocal and I'll ask, Cory, what did you just say to him? He'll be like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Cory's walking around calling all the time.


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[Assistant] He did. And he was. He was. He's got his 15 minutes, not 15 seconds, 15 minutes of fame.


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[Assistant] I'm not, but if he did, I'm gonna shoot him this year because I'm going back there. Rifle season opens October 20th in Montana this year.


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[Assistant] You're gonna go from four to three. Hey. Hopefully. Hopefully there's still four there.


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[Assistant] No, there's the one you missed. There's the one from the first day. There's the one up by the ATB trail. There's the one down in the hole where I was just praying, please bull, don't come in. I don't want to carry one out of here.


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[Assistant] In the, in the grizzly den. Where all the grizzly tracks were, yeaah. He did come in. He did. I thought you were lying, I thought on footage though, he did come in. So, it's uh, yeaah, this year I'm...


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[Assistant] It's very seldom our rifle season opens that early. Where in Idaho, when's, when is your rifle?


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[Assistant] Successful hunt. That's undeserved. That's rather generous of you. I certainly couldn't claim any wisdom there. Wow. It's, it is interesting to think about how many different experiences I have, and all of us have, get the blessing of hunting a lot.


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[Assistant] Uh, my son and I shot two bulls out of the same herd that were bugling on Halloween.


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[Assistant] Something happened there. There was one or two cows in that herd that must have missed the first cycle and came into a set.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and man, it was really, really noisy. They were not going to be deterred. And, uh, alright, I guess we'll have to take you out of your misery.


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[Assistant] And so we shot two of them about five minutes apart. But that's, that's really the oddity. Yep. I mean.


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[Assistant] So, I have a New Mexico Archery Elk Tag this year.


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[Assistant] That is the first season, September 1st through the 14th. Are you saying I should be there on the 1st?


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[Assistant] That was a rough hunt. Yeah. Well, I just, I've always been one of those guys who, I go the last half of September, if, if my calendar, if my calendar's open and I can say this is when I'm gonna go.


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[Assistant] Just because it seems like I hear more, Al, and I have more encounters. I can't say I kill a lot, Al. Yeah. I have...


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[Assistant] That'd be my worry if someone says, oh, I'll go next week. Ah, it's going to be hot next week. Okay, I'll go the week after. Oh, word's called man. Pretty soon season's over. Yea, season's over and you've hunted thrice.


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[Assistant] Where people get to ask questions and one of the most common ones is I drew this tag or I'm going over the counter in Colorado or Idaho or wherever. What week should I hunt?


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[Assistant] I think misconceptions people have, and maybe it happens and I just have never had it happen to me, is that you hear an elk bugle and you start


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[Assistant] Cow calling or setting up 200 yards away and he's gonna come walking in. I've never had that happen.


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[Assistant] It's fun when it happens. Huh. But it's not very frequent. Oh, okay. And maybe they've come in and I just didn't see them or hear them or whatever. Maybe it's happened a time or two.


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[Assistant] I see a lot of people like, oh, I hear em, yeaah, get set up.


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[Assistant] Well, the elk is 200 yards away, I guess. Or 400, or? Yeaah. Yeaah. It's not like they're...


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[Assistant] Gonna come running in like a coyote to a predator call. I, I'm not an expert on it, but uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, huh. I got three points in Arizona because I drew last year.


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[Assistant] Well, if you go to the gohunt.com insider, you'll know all this information, but I'll tell em.


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[Assistant] I went down and I took the Hunter Ed class. Did you? I haven't yet. That's a permanent lifetime bonus point. It never goes away. So, even though I drew in 2017, you'd think my points would go back to zero.


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[Assistant] It's a one day class. I flew down to Vegas, rented a car, went to Kingman, Arizona, uh, the Rod and Gun club there and Kingman puts it on. I do three or four of them a year. And if you've taken Hunter-Ed somewhere else, you then


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[Assistant] Go for this one day class. Field day basically. Right, yeaah. And that's an intense of 16 hours of, you know,


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[Assistant] Sit in there taking notes and you got a pass at the end obviously. It's not one of those participation trophies. Uhm, and so I got that point. And then Arizona has the loyalty point system where if you apply for any species for five consecutive years and you never miss a year,


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[Assistant] You have that loyalty point. So coming into 18.


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[Assistant] Even though I'd drawn in 17, I had my hunter-ed point and my loyalty point, and I didn't draw this year, so now I got three points going into next year, so.


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[Assistant] The weather's still decent. Oh yeaah. You wait them out. For me anyhow, and Arizona has, and New Mexico is somewhat similar, has very high densities of elk. It's not like they have elk habitat throughout the entire state.


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[Assistant] And so some people say, oh, Arizona has only 35,000 elk. Well, those 35,000 elk are in a pretty constricted band of habitat. And by the time the late season comes around in late November, early December, they've already had, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, some units, they've had an early rifle season or early muzzleloader. They've already had an archery season. They've probably had a cowhunt or two in there. Uh, some of the units have a November archery hunt.


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[Assistant] These bulls have figured out, you know, there's a lot of people in the woods, I'm heading down into this canyon or I'm going up into that burn or that blow down or whatever. And so the predictability of where you're going to find elk in Arizona in these late seasons is.


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[Assistant] More predictable than any place I hunt. Of all the places I go.


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[Assistant] You know, wolves, right? You hear the whole, you know, Obamacare, whatever the cause is. And, uh, yeaah, I find it remarkable how, and I'm not saying I've got it all figured out, but those late season hunts, when these elk have been pressured that much,


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[Assistant] And I don't care what state it is, even in Montana, you know, our rifle season stays open until the Sunday after Thanksgiving.


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[Assistant] That last week of season, they've been pressured for 10 weeks now.


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[Assistant] I, and I like Arizona, they give you two choices, right? They look at your first and second before they go on to the first, the next guy.


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[Assistant] So, I apply in Nevada. I've got seven or eight points. And in my mailbox...


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[Assistant] Well, I call my buddy Jerry, who's from Williams, Arizona, right there where units 8 and 10 and 7 and all those come together. It's like the Elk Mecca of Arizona. Like Jerry.


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[Assistant] If I draw another LTCH, my wife's gonna kill me. Oh.


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[Assistant] Apply for Unit 10 Early Rifle. You'll never draw. Don't.


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[Assistant] That was before Arizona let you buy a point. Like two years later they converted to where you could just buy a point. And alright, applied, didn't think anything of it, and I look up.


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[Assistant] I think back then, I can't remember. It came out late. It was like July. Yeaah. Yeaah. Somehow, either it came in the mail or I, I, it's so long ago, I can't remember. But anyhow, I got tag number six.


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[Assistant] And so I told her the Nevada tag. I'm like, this is a once in a lifetime. I, I, boy, I got to block out two weeks. Yeah. Well, and I told her this other out tags once in a lifetime. And she's like, well, how many lives do you plan on living?


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[Assistant] Well then, Montana comes out the week after that?


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[Assistant] And my son draws a Missouri Brakes rifle outtag.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so in 2005, where I got Nevada, Arizona, early rifle in Unit 10, Hanna, Missouri, breaks in Montana.


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[Assistant] Uh, and yeaah, I've burned them a lot, but even now in some of the states where I've burned a lot of them, I'm starting to work my way.


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[Assistant] You're gonna get a lot of sympathy from the non-resident listeners when you say $416, they're gonna be like, oh.


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[Assistant] Well, that's where we, I think, anyone who lives in a state where you can do, in your backyard, Alcons every year, like Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Oregon,


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[Assistant] We have a little bit different strategy. We can swing for the fences or we can hold our points or whatever for what we think might be the perfect year or the perfect conditions because it's not like we're not going out kind. We're going to hunt out the back door every day. And so that does give us


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[Assistant] Dash of their cars are like, you guys have no idea what it's like. So, I try to be cognizant of that, as I'm talking to people about.


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[Assistant] Okay, and I get it if people say, no, I'm saving my points, I'm saving my points. And I tell them, if you're saving your points, then if you can, while you're building points,


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[Assistant] There's so many things that translate, even if it's, you're going for a cow-owl con.


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[Assistant] There are so many things that translate to that, to hunting bull elk. I mean, uh, if it's your first hunt, uh, well, first of all,


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[Assistant] And you're still gonna have all the things about the logistics of camps and, uh, reading land ownership, surface ownership, navigating that. You're gonna have taking care of it without it spoiling in the field. There's so many things that are very similar and are great.


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[Assistant] Parts of that learning curve, if you've never been on a bolal con-


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[Assistant] A lot of our general units, they've converted them to either sex tags. So, you know, people will be like, ehm, I ended up shooting a cap.


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[Assistant] That's how I got into hunting, it was all about food. Which, that goes back to your observation of my grouse affliction, is all about food. It's hard to beat a grouse. Yea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but whatever. I don't care if it's rocks, sticks, arrows, 20 gauge. I'm after them. 20 gauge.


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[Assistant] Well, and then you're gonna put pellets all out. I mean, we hunted grouse with 28 inch full chokes.


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[Assistant] Which you talk to, you know, some sophisticated grouse hunter with all of his decked out tweed and you know, his $8,000 dog. He's there with a side by side with one at least improved cylinder and maybe one modified or maybe both improved. Not us, man. We were full choking them. We were taking heads off at 40 yards.


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[Assistant] Somebody bites down on a BB and they look right at you and say, this is the one you shot. Exactly. But my point of that is for me, hunting in our family was about food. It was, and so I will never get away from the food aspect of it. And cow elk hunting is, I, I try to tell people, you know, if I wasn't


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[Assistant] So fortunate to be in the position I am and have the blessings I have of getting known as much as I do.


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[Assistant] I would have no reservations. I'd be excited to put a cow elk in my freezer every year.


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[Assistant] And it gets back to your point about go elk hunting, don't just wait and build points forever. Because you guys in Idaho don't have a point system. And I'm sitting on, in many states, more than 20 points for certain species. And...


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[Assistant] For all the, the once-in-a-lifetime type things like moose and goats and sheep, I'm, if I'm not at over 20 points, I'm close. I would give away all those points in every state.


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[Assistant] And I sat on the Montana committee that, uh, came up with our point system.


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[Assistant] And when I suggested that we keep half of the tags out of the point system as a general, like, just, you know, random draw, you would have swore


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[Assistant] That I was there promoting some sort of illegal and immoral activity. Everyone's like, what?


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[Assistant] And, uh, I still think that that was detrimental to, yeah, at least for, for certain hunts where if, if you have very few of the tags,


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[Assistant] What difference does a point system make if everyone's got the same number of points? Other than the people who don't, you know, the young people who've been coming in.


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[Assistant] All it is, is it's just punitive to them. It's not beneficial really to anyone else. And in Montana, as if we didn't have it.


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[Assistant] Kind of askew bad enough. We decided to square our points like, I don't know, five years ago the legislature passed a bill. Well, I commented that I thought that was a stupid idea. I thought I was going to get beat up.


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[Assistant] Cause it took me in 2016, it took me 19 points to draw a third season rifle tag in 61.


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[Assistant] And I just got tired of dragging that big bundle of points around. I said, you know what, I'm...


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[Assistant] Uuuh. How did we ever get talked into this idea?


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[Assistant] You know, we were going to get to our, we were going to start on our 5, top 5 elk hunting mistakes. And I don't, I think we only got like 15.


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[Assistant] Now you're talking. See, that's why you're the brains of this operation. So that's, I think that's what we, what we ought to do.


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[Assistant] So, you want me to take notes of these?


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[Assistant] Alright, so you've given four. Wind, uh, aggressive versus passive.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, everything that I focus on, and you make a good point there that I'll preface this by saying


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[Assistant] When I do seminars, when I write or do video or whatever, uhm, I like to make reference to public land bull out. And as a general rule, highly pressured public land bull out.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait out for that, but I'm not, I, I don't know if, you know, I might dip over tomorrow, so I, I don't want to.


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[Assistant] Let any chance go by. So, I hunt a lot of elk in places that, alright.


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[Assistant] I know there's a lot of hunting pressure. I mean, I think I've done five over-the-counter elk hunts in Colorado. I've done, well, most years in Montana.


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[Assistant] Uh, public land, whether it's archery or rifle. And so, this is just my experience when I wrote down my top five as you were doing yours. Uhm, it's the top five mistakes that I made. I'm not saying everyone makes these mistakes, but...


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[Assistant] You said it was 10 years before you killed an archery elk. Well, it was 6 years before I killed any type of elk.


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[Assistant] The greatest symptom of my illness was just my lack of understanding about outcomes. I didn't grow up in Idaho.


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[Assistant] So I came to elk in my early twenties and all of my hunting experience was somewhat


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[Assistant] Almost contrarian to how you would understand what elk do. So, my lack of understanding of elk, their needs, their behaviors, both seasonally, what do they do in a dry year versus a wet year? What do they need in September versus what they need in December?


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[Assistant] I had no clue. So I think a lot of people get a tag and they think that's enough. They go in the, in the woods and they're kind of counting on random luck. And yeah, sometimes, you know, you go enough times.


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[Assistant] Ten times. Yeah. You're gonna get lucky ones. You're gonna get. Yeah. So I'd say my number one is people not making an investment in their understanding of Elk. Uh, and as guilty as guilty gets. Yep.


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[Assistant] Which kind of leads to my number two is lack of a plan. Uh, if you don't know, if you haven't done your homework about elk and their needs, you really don't show up with a plan. You're like, hmm, well.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe that'll work, but the odds are you're not doing yourself any favors if that's just your plan. If you don't have a plan, you quickly become discouraged. Lack of information brings lack of...


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[Assistant] Right, so I think lack of knowledge breeds lack of confidence. And so those are probably the two biggest mistakes I made.


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[Assistant] And number three, uh, is, is your number one is being careless with the wind.


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[Assistant] Seems like every season we get some encounter where we get reminded that we thought we had the wind in our favor, maybe, alright, the time, you know, like 9.30 in the morning, the thermals can't make up their mind if they want to go downhill or uphill, and you go into a basin where you heard an elk,


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[Assistant] And on the sunny side, it's going uphill. You go into the shade and it's going, you know, and it's just swirling in there.


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[Assistant] It's like, well, it's not a good hunt if I haven't at least messed up the wind at least two or three times.


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[Assistant] Number three, number four is, and again, I was guilty of this, an emphasis on gadgets and gizmos. I, I was getting frustrated and I did, I just, I was being lazy about it.


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[Assistant] You know, the greatest this or that or the new this or the new that that was in a magazine advertisement or something, that's gonna solve my problem. So you're saying gear doesn't make you successful? Is that?


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[Assistant] And that was just me being lazy, not wanting to spend the time to build my Elk knowledge, invest in myself about Elk, what they need. Again, I keep saying that, what they need, how they behave, how they react, how they respond. And the...


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[Assistant] When I was refusing or, or kinda neglecting that, that, even though in my mind I'm like, you know, I probably don't know as much as I should, but nah.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's only 20 bucks. I'll buy the new doodad. Well, guess what? The new doodad didn't.


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[Assistant] People behind the counter liberal with the truth. I know. Well, I believed him and I bought the $20 gizmo and I'm like, well, if it's good, you know, if one is good, two is gooder. So let me get two of them.


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[Assistant] That's kind of the mindset. So I think for me, emphasis and reliance on just all this gear and gadgetry. I think you and I have both done this enough. We know what's gear and what's a gadget.


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[Assistant] I mean, gear is something that you need and is useful and is helpful. Gadgets and doodads are just that wasted money.


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[Assistant] And then this one might be a little bit close to your, uh,


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[Assistant] When I get out of that rut and say, you know what, someone might laugh at me when they see this, but I'm going to do this because it's just, it's something I've been thinking about in the tent last night and I'm going to try it today.


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[Assistant] Keeps a lot of elk hunters from making mistakes and learning. And for me, I'm still, all these things that I mention here, my top five are still things I deal with today.


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[Assistant] I mean, just because I've been doing this a long time and I have the blessing of getting to go on six to eight, ten outcomes a year between my tags and joining other people.


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[Assistant] It doesn't mean I've got it. You are spoiled. Ah, I'm... Man. I looked at the board. Here's how many outtags we're filming this year. Two of us in New Mexico.


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[Assistant] Possibly another Lucas, so that's 10 right there. And then my son has, uh, Wyoming and my uncle has Wyoming. So.


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[Assistant] Well, and this is another thing. People comment on this when they see our footage out on YouTube or Amazon. They're like, why are you always doing the gutting and going?


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[Assistant] Well, it's my, it's one of my favorite parts of the hunt. I mean, I usually tell a guest hunter, look, here's the deal. You get first shot, but if you kill something...


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[Assistant] You're gonna have to get out of the way. Cause this is what I live for. I love to gut and gil.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. Well, those are the ones on my list. I think, I'll go with you. We should, uh, we should


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[Assistant] Save these and cover them on the next podcast, uh, the next episode. So we have structure now. Yeah. People are going to say that's some sort of tease, Randy. What's the deal there? No, that's just us.


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[Assistant] But we got a couple things. One, we've got the sick question of the week that you're going to answer.


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[Assistant] Putting me on the spot. But before we get to the sick question of the week, uhm, as part of this, because Elk Foundation is such an important part to elk hunting.


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[Assistant] We want to talk about some of their mission work, and at least make some mention of it in every episode. And in this one, uh, I've found that if you give someone a tangible example, they understand


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[Assistant] Oh, that's what my volunteerism or my advocacy or my money.


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[Assistant] Makes it something that they can relate to easily and so over the course of doing these podcasts we're going to talk about projects in every state that we can think of but the one that comes to mind


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[Assistant] Having talked to the folks here in the lands department and said, hey,


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[Assistant] Real quickly, give me a project that you did that you think has been beneficial to elk and elk hunters. They're like, oh, New Mexico, Alamacita Creek. Like, hmm, okay.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so what that is, it's a project, uh, just not far from Pytown. Which, if you've ever been to Pytown.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know if that's why they call it Pytown, but- Is it really named Pytown? Pytown. Yeah, it's between, uh, Cuomato and Daddle. Oh, it's- I've been to Daddle, right? Yeah. Okay. But we- I think- How did we not stop at Pytown?


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[Assistant] Oh, we went the other way. Did we? Yea, we went the other way, because you flew, didn't you? I flew to Albuquerque. Yea, I ran out of the rig. Yea, I see. I see. I drove. You went to Albuquerque and flew home. I did the road warrior thing in my Titan. And, uh, anyhow, pie town.


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[Assistant] And that one is another classic. It's, so many of the Oak Foundation projects are about providing access to the acres acquired, but also improving access to the surroundings.


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[Assistant] And when you get that many proposals, you gotta have some sort of ranking system.


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[Assistant] And so they go through and rank it, you know, what kind of wildlife values are there? What kind of additional access does it provide? Because Elk Foundation is about


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[Assistant] I think the project was just under 6,000 acres of private land that the Elk Foundation and its partners helped acquire and then turned over, I believe, to either the BLM or Forest Service.


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[Assistant] The access around there, it improves access. The, it, you know, these other 35,000 acres were public, but they didn't have very good access, right? So this 6,000 improves.


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[Assistant] That's one of many, many projects right now. The Oak Foundation is...


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[Assistant] Like this example we're given here of acquired property and improved access. It's like over, it's nearing 900,000 acres.


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[Assistant] And they're nearing I believe 8 million acres of total conserved or improved habitat.


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[Assistant] I knew that the Oak Foundation had done a project there and we walked in and the


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[Assistant] On all these public, this 8 million acres is going out to mostly, just about all public lands and weed control.


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[Assistant] Getting rid of invasive weeds, prescribed burns, uh, you know, thinning, whatever it is to generate better habitat.


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[Assistant] Water projects. You name it. The whole list is there. And again, the Oak Foundation, their project advisory committees, because of money raised, a big chunk of it stays within that state for the purpose of


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[Assistant] The, the local volunteers on the project advisory committee saying, these are the ones we want to do. And that's...


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[Assistant] Be like Corey and be a life member, right? Or at least a member. Yeah. Okay. We'll, we'll start them. That's right. It's kind of like everything. You kind of start them on light doses, right?


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[Assistant] All right. So with that, the Sitka question of the week, uhm, you're going to have to answer this cause I don't own any trail cameras.


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[Assistant] Right, if there was an open season, well, the only time Bear season ends, June 15th, Archery Antelope opens August 15th, so there's only like a two month window you could use them.


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[Assistant] We're gonna add that as a point to a future podcast. The number of people I hear who say, oh, I got them on my trail camera, and then they go back in September, October, November, and that's like, where'd they go? You just said, you take for granted that everybody knows that.


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[Assistant] That's interesting that you, when you get bulls on trail cameras in places like Idaho, you don't give it.


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[Assistant] Because right now I'm reading a lot of chatter about the Arizona Game and Fish Commission is thinking about making changes to their trail camera rules. Really? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Tanks in Arizona? Yeaah. When I had my, uh, uh, tag last year, there was one tank that still had water.


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[Assistant] And we went down to water the llamas and look for tracks, you know, do the normal thing. And, uh, I'm like, man, I gotta go pee.


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[Assistant] And it took me a long time to find some safe space. I mean, it's like, oh, there's a trail camera, oh, there's one there, there's one there. And then, like,


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[Assistant] Up on the rim country in Arizona and the same can be said in Nevada or Utah or Southwest Colorado or New Mexico where it's really arid and water is a constricting resource. Uh, the number of trail cameras near a water source is really intense and


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[Assistant] So I, I've not really paid that much attention to it. I've read some of the comments, I guess.


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[Assistant] Part of the concern is people, it's not so much the cameras themselves, it's that the continual activity of humans coming in there to check trail cameras is displacing or keeping wildlife from using the water source. And I don't know if that's true or not, but that's the argument that I guess is being made down there.


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[Assistant] Contrarian to all the studies at the Starkey re-experimental forest research project that explain how elk respond to roads.


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[Assistant] One anecdotal observation recorded on camera and now all the research is out the window, Corey.


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[Assistant] Well folks, we've, uh, we've kept you a long time. Or do you want to keep them longer?


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[Assistant] Well with that folks, are we good to call it a wrap? Let's wrap it. All right. So episode number two.


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[Assistant] We're gonna go through, we're gonna try to get through each of our five points of five


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[Assistant] El Cunning, common El Cunning mistakes.


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[Assistant] I mean, the odds are, the odds are they're already listening to this, but for your friends who you're going to share this with, if you have an iPhone, the iPhone has an app that you just go out to iTunes, there it is. Elk Talk Podcasts with Corey and Randy, presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. Or, Google Play will have it.


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[Assistant] And that's for people who don't have an iPhone? Right. For droid people like me. Really the better place to get it is Stitcher. For us droid people.


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[Assistant] Uh, or any of the multiple podcast apps that are out there. I've heard people talk about Podbean. Yeah, Podbean. Uh, it'll probably be on iHeartRadio. Uh, well, I use Podcast Addict.


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[Assistant] So, we got that. Uhm, that's where they can get it. Are we gonna put this on YouTube?


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[Assistant] If we let them provide comments, be ready.


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[Assistant] It's a humbling experience to allow for comments. Cause on my YouTube channel, I get probably a hundred comments a day, at least.


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[Assistant] And people aren't bashful. You're too bad, yeaah.


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[Assistant] If people are out there using improper language or they're just there to raise trouble.


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[Assistant] But then, please go out and subscribe to, or follow, uh, Instagram channel. Yep. At Elk Talk Podcast.


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[Assistant] There's a commission involved. Maybe we'll take a Malcolm for a day.


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[Assistant] Alright folks, we've kept you for two hours and twenty minutes. Thanks for listening. And I'm Randy. I'm Corey. And we'll catch you on the next one.


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[Assistant] This is, I don't know, this is maybe not quite on topic, but definitely not off topic, is... I fucking love diesel noise so much.


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[Assistant] This Illinois has just this incredible life, like he wrote his, he had help writing his autobiography that we're trying to help him get published. We actually don't even know how much is in there because it's in Thai, it hasn't been translated yet.


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[Assistant] He has these unbelievable stories that he just...


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[Assistant] Kevin was referencing earlier his, uh, manager threatening to shoot him in the corner of his fight against Samart because he wasn't trying to knock him out. Uh, he was there in the Chmokepet versus Long Swan fight where the head of the hop-along gym was murdered in the corner.


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[Assistant] What I think I'm trying to get at here is that


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[Assistant] Diesel Noy seemingly had this amazing career where he was undefeated, nobody would fight him, and so he was forced into retirement and stripped of the belt, and now he's just this like, very loved figure in Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] When people say in a semi-poetic way, if I didn't have Muay Thai, I wouldn't have anything. Like, Muay Thai is my life. Muay Thai is my life. Muay Thai is our life. Like, what the fuck else do we do? Muay Thai is very big to us. You're gonna make me cry.


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[Assistant] Muay Thai is diesel noise life. To the point where he was like...


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[Assistant] At your back, breathing on your neck while you're deciding whether you're gonna do that last round on the bag when everyone else has gone home. This was his reality.


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[Assistant] And disunoi is exceptional in every single way.


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[Assistant] It ripples out to what Muay Thai means for these men who were trying to preserve and their technique that were trying to preserve even


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[Assistant] He says all the time, he's like, if I didn't have Muay Thai, I would have nothing. Like Muay Thai has been my entire life. He grew up on a farm, working the farm and doing Muay Thai at the same time. And now he has a much better financial situation than when he was a kid raising his sons. And like, uhm, Muay Thai is more of a business than when he was a kid.


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[Assistant] When people say, talking about in Thailand, that Muay Thai is a way of life,


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[Assistant] It's not only a way of life, it is life. It is every part of someone like Diesel Noy's life. Uhm, there are these yodmoy now who


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[Assistant] I think that it's easy to feel like


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[Assistant] Muay Thai is much smaller than it actually is. I think that we underestimate how vast Muay Thai is.


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[Assistant] And it's, it's not possible to preserve all of that.


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[Assistant] In the way that some of the most amazing fighters that ever were are just touching the corner fabric of Muay Thai anymore and it's their one little way to maintain themselves.


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[Assistant] You haven't even said who he is. We just trained with Napapon. Napapon was a, uhm,


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[Assistant] Elite boxer in Thailand, if you, um, if you look at these old magazine covers, there was a time when they called them the four lions of Thailand. So this is the thing is what you say in Thai. So it was the four lions of Thailand and it was, um, Yotsinan and Weirupon who are very well known, very big names.


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[Assistant] The rhythms and the timing. He kept saying to me in the session when I would ask him a question about like,


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[Assistant] It's not, this is Muay Thai and this is boxing, this is the rhythm, dance to the rhythm.


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[Assistant] When I was learning how to play violin as a kid, I would hold the bow.


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[Assistant] And my, uh, teacher would tell me don't hold the bow too hard. Like you don't want tension in your hand. And while I was bowing, he would snatch the bow out of my hand. Like you should have enough looseness that you can pull the bow out at any moment. And when I was punching,


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[Assistant] He would stick his finger in my hand and make sure that it was open while I was punching. He didn't want it closed at all. So the tension is here.


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[Assistant] And his hand is like this, and he's just going like that. So his wrist is tight, and then he's hitting with this part, and he's going like that, down.


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[Assistant] It, you gave this example and it's very accurate. It's like being hit by the back end of a crowbar, by the like curved end of a crowbar. And it's, he was showing me how to do it and I'm like, please stop touching me. It hurts so bad.


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[Assistant] Break it and hurt yourself, but if you put tension in the fist you're deflecting the power.


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[Assistant] Ah, they're so relaxed, they're just like, I fell into you.


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[Assistant] It allows for a lot of correction, which is really good, because then you get repetition.


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[Assistant] When you don't tense your hand, the overall alignment


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[Assistant] Is much easier. I was still tensing my hand because that's what I do. And that's one of the reasons I was chicken-winging.


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[Assistant] Because the tension was going in the wrong spots and so it like contorts. It's like if your car has something that's like


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[Assistant] Take something that seems completely counterintuitive, like have a loose hand when you're punching someone with power, that the effect of that


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[Assistant] Comes from and goes to all different areas of the body. It's not just that one spot.


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[Assistant] If you're like, oh I can't not flex my hand because then blah blah blah is like, you're acti- there's actually like nine points that that's connected to, it's not one thing.


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[Assistant] Another thing that I really loved in the session that I don't think I would have been able to understand six years ago when I was training with him is


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[Assistant] Always be at this distance all the time, like step on this spot all the time. It's always find this proximity.


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[Assistant] You're, you're working with a moving target. You're working with a living person.


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[Assistant] And so there's no like, oh I can't throw that because I'm too close, it's I'm too close so I do this other thing to kind of like, adjust it.


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[Assistant] It's like dancers, like if you, if you watch a dancer executing something that they're feeling,


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[Assistant] The thing you're seeing is the feeling. You're not actually seeing the technique.


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[Assistant] He's like, relax, come up when you need to, blah, blah, blah. His corrections were feeling, not...


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[Assistant] Technical, even though I knew technically I was like way off the board from what he was showing me, but that part wasn't important, like that part comes.


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[Assistant] No, because you want to talk about big ideas, and that's a specific thing, so yeaah, I know what you're talking about. I have this thing where I was trying to follow what he was asking me to do, and anytime I throw my right cross, habitually I'm done.


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[Assistant] And I knew, because he just had me do cross, hook, cross, I knew that's what he was asking for, but my body was like, done.


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[Assistant] I could feel that in, we did one round of sparring at the very end.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and he wasn't hitting me hard. It was hard enough that I don't want that. But like,


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[Assistant] I'm, I'll be interested to voice this one actually, uhm, because...


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[Assistant] Uhm, because I, I used to train with him many, many years ago before I really had the eyes or the tie or the consciousness to like put it all into understanding, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, in my voiceover in the session, which is really cool. Totally. But, um, for sure, if you're in Chiang Mai, this is... Oh, that's what I wanna say.


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[Assistant] Raised, uh, as a cis woman in the world to, uh, and one who's diminutive and small to, like, take up space.


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[Assistant] And especially in a martial art where, like, you're trying to be respectful and so you're often very, like, um, deference.


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[Assistant] Martial arts, Thai culture, gender, like all these things are not like, you should be more assertive.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but when you're coming into it,


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[Assistant] Essentially under the bottom rope as a woman who's small and at the time I was younger and all these different things, like, uhm, kind of,


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[Assistant] Taking up more space and being more assertive and like no I don't want that and I'm gonna stand here and I'm not gonna like back off just because uhm, it's uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but that, that physical manifestation has an exact replication of an emotional, social situation.


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[Assistant] You can be like, oh I know what that feels like to talk to a woman who's my inferior.


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[Assistant] There are patterns for how you talk to a woman, how you talk to your student, how you do any of these things. It's like, I'm comfortable with this dynamic. And then you're like, no, I'm gonna stand too close.


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[Assistant] When you change that dynamic range, it's uncomfortable for both of you. And so you have to like re-hammer out your dynamics.


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[Assistant] At the disposal of women and especially small women.


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[Assistant] That you can use this cuteness and sweetness as a manipulation tool.


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[Assistant] If you're trying to become something or carve a space for yourself or change...


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, I'll trust that we're going in this direction and I'll work hard, kind of thing. But now I feel like I'm fuckin', my hands are on the reins.


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter which one you make, just make sure that you make it and then make up your mind about it. But I think that uhm, sweetness comes with it a large degree of indecision.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're kind of conditioned to be like, you're good if you put other people's comfort


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[Assistant] Not necessarily my comfort, but like my satisfaction and my happiness is better for everyone.


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[Assistant] Like, everyone wins when I'm doing what makes me feel free, rather than anything that I want is actually at odds with other people's comfort and happiness, so I'm gonna like, sacrifice my...


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[Assistant] Is not stepping on anyone's toes. Everyone wins by Sylvie being more free in the ring.


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[Assistant] Zero-sum game of like, when I am free, it means you're restricted or-


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[Assistant] Poot will get over it in five minutes kind of thing. But like, me being free in the ring is freeing up that tension, or that like, self


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[Assistant] And if they're free in what they're doing, it feels better than if they don't want to be there also.


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[Assistant] My happiness does not have to be sacrificed to make someone else happy, and someone else's comfort happiness does not have to be sacrificed for mine. It's not a like, scale that only tips like this.


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[Assistant] It's this realization, this like, better for everyone thing, that doesn't mean that there aren't


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[Assistant] Moments or elements that are like, this is going to make people uncomfortable. Someone pointing out you're not as sweet as you used to be, uhm, has within it a like, this feels different.


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[Assistant] My assertiveness or my taking up of space or my, uhm,


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[Assistant] You can say anything to someone with a smile.


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[Assistant] The first time I was training at Lana and Big at the time was like punching me in the stomach. And I did not understand this game. Right.


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[Assistant] Dominating and teaching me something and I'm in on it too, kind of thing. That's like, I can make my opponent uncomfortable without it being aggressive. It's dominant, but it's not aggressive.


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[Assistant] We think more or less we're just gonna stay fundamentally the same person and like tweak these things.


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[Assistant] In this, like, there's gonna be no fundamental changes in who I am.


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[Assistant] Audrey Hepburn goes to Paris and comes back hot, and she's more or less the same sweet.


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[Assistant] That's weird, right? Like, people say, people, like, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh, exacerbate? What's the word?


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't know that I have a satisfying answer to that, but it's one of my catch moments, uhm, where I'm like, I look like a fucking comic drawing or something, like a comic book.


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[Assistant] Amazing ability to photograph people. Uhm, but I think there's also


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[Assistant] This like shedding of something that was like constantly fixing my hair in clinch or like having it be


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's like constantly writing your skirt or like, uhm, like your glasses or something and then suddenly...


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[Assistant] I don't know, my body has looked like a comic book character for quite a while now, and so it's kind of like, uhm, when the superhero gets their outfit right.


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[Assistant] Totally. And there's this, I think there's a underestimation of how much you can change. If you ask a 19 year old.


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[Assistant] How much they think they will change by the time they're 26? I think it's, they think not that much. And if you ask a 26 year old how much they've changed since they were 19, they're like, fuck.


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[Assistant] So different. And I think that's true even in your 50s and 60s. Uhm, your capacity for change, like, where I've come to this point,


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[Assistant] Emerson quote that the only right is that which goes with your constitution and the only wrong is that which goes opposed to it.


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[Assistant] As long as I'm not losing myself, it's not a loss, it's just a transition. Uhm, and I think that, uhm, becoming more assertive or becoming


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[Assistant] Less sweet, or cute, or whatever the thing is. Uhm.


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[Assistant] For women, I think it's kind of a necessary transition just with age. Uhm, but within the transition and work of becoming a fighter, uhm, maybe just pulls that into a tighter time frame, like a, the clock is fast.


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[Assistant] Go into a fight with this expectation that it's gonna be easy.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm not afraid of the opponent, or I think I know what she does, or uhm,


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[Assistant] A complete reversal from what I thought it was gonna be. It's just that when I hit the adversity that this is harder than I thought it was gonna be, like this is actually hard, and I was expecting it not to be hard.


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[Assistant] There are people who advise against looking for the knockout.


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[Assistant] Because you'll never see it. If you just let it happen. If you just flow and do your thing, you let it happen. It's like a cha-chai is like...


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[Assistant] I think my, I'm not afraid of this opponent. I knocked her out before. It's not gonna be a hard fight, and then it's hard.


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[Assistant] Uhm, not happening. It's like looking for the knockout. It's like...


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[Assistant] This service that teams and coaches do to their fighters, which is when they tell them you'll walk through this opponent.


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[Assistant] You'll win for sure, blah, blah, blah. It's the same, it's putting something in the head that the moment you reach, uhm, opposition, there's something wrong. Rather than like, I expect opposition.


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[Assistant] Oftentimes when I get hit in a fight is when I actually start to go. It's like when I've actually gotten that contact and it's like, okay, this is going to be a fight. This is going to hurt. This is going to be a struggle. When you accept this is going to be a struggle, you stop struggling with the struggle itself and you just go. And I think that it's a self-sabotage on my part to expect the same


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[Assistant] Is an obstacle. Like, I should look at them and be like, this will be hard. And then-


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[Assistant] Uhm, amazing boxer that I fought in Kartchuk twice. I think her name is Pet.


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[Assistant] So, I was like, oh, well I beat her before, or I had this experience with her before, that's what I'll do again. And then, she had made adjustments, it's like, okay, I don't want her anywhere near me, I'm just gonna box the shit out of her face with my long arms. That is not the same fight that I had before. Uhm, and it's-


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[Assistant] This fight was kind of just thrown upon me out of nowhere. Like we were going into the venue of fight 249 and Deng was like, Hey, can you fight on Friday? And so it's like, okay, now we're fighting on Friday. Also, that's not weird for me. I take fights on very little notice. I fight back to back all the time, but there are little mental


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[Assistant] I feel like it's related a little bit. Yea, it's related. It's not quite the same thing, but I think that it's...


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[Assistant] In the same way that you can't predict the way a fight's gonna be before the fight.


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[Assistant] Push a wheelbarrow that's full of water is not the same thing as having tried to push it for five minutes and half of the water has sloshed out. Now you can push it.


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[Assistant] So, just repeating something over and over again that you don't believe is not an appropriate mental process.


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[Assistant] Like, that was not an easy fight. There was no point at which I thought I was gonna lose it. I was ahead the entire time. All of these things. But my mental, like, breakdown, which I'm sure was just a minuscule version of what I've had before.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and you've seen this where you're like, I don't understand why you fucking crumbled.


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[Assistant] Uhm, against this opponent when it was really close, and it's because mentally you're like, watershed.


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[Assistant] In the same way that you cannot just plaster a positive thought over a negative one, this will be easy, or this will not be hard, is not.


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[Assistant] It's a fight. Like, anything can happen in a fight.


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[Assistant] Su-might-I thing. Thais love to say su-might-I, which literally means you cannot fight someone, so it's like, that person can't fight him, like, can't even fight him. Uhm, they use it as this toss-off of like,


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[Assistant] Oh, it was so not even close that like, that person doesn't even belong in the ring with them.


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[Assistant] This is the thing, in the West we love to be like, I already beat that opponent, therefore I always beat that opponent, I'm better than them, like, I'm up the ladder and now there's no reason for anything. It's like, there are, uhm,


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[Assistant] And you can do it to yourself! Like, you can totally just, uh, hinder yourself.


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[Assistant] Easy is not good. Uhm, overcoming is good.


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[Assistant] My path and my goals and who I am.


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[Assistant] Out of necessity, we've taken a super side road to how things are normally done. Uhm, and with that come...


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[Assistant] Consequences that allow me to be this, like, kind of unicorn, but then you cannot just be, uhm, what is the word I'm looking for?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you can't just be operating in this vacuum of not like anything else, like all the cultural values and rules and norms.


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[Assistant] But it's been years that it's just always, always bigger and they keep getting bigger.


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[Assistant] There are fighters in the normal, tight,


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[Assistant] In like a festival fight or even at Patia somewhere, you'll see weight disparities.


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[Assistant] There is a lot of wiggle room in real Muay Thai for weight disparities.


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[Assistant] DieselMod complains about it a lot and Pnue complains about it. And it's just like, uhm, people are taking advantage of you and like,


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[Assistant] About 70% of my fights, as Kevin worked out, which is a good rate, and given that my opponents are always bigger,


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[Assistant] Well, you see this in boxing, like the Mayweather Pacquiao fight, to make that happen.


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[Assistant] The chem in Karat who wants to have Dermpon fights with me is like no more than 2 kilos. Like everyone has this no more than 2 kilos rule that comes from the Bangkok fights that they just say.


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[Assistant] And so it, it feels selectively applied and I don't know how to respectfully, uhm,


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[Assistant] I have an emotional thing with this that I was crying about all morning as we were talking in the car. Okay. So I feel, I feel like you're going to have to be honest.


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[Assistant] It's a big deal because I feel misunderstood by people who are incredibly important to me and who I feel like should be believing in me in this holy shit


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[Assistant] Our tiny horse can, uhm, race against the best of the best, even though it's like a little sea biscuit horse or whatever.


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[Assistant] And instead, it's like, I'm being criticized for being, for taking disadvantage fights, even though I'm winning.


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[Assistant] And so instead of it being a like, good Sylvie, like, you're so strong, you're this, which I got when it was sometimes, or when it was like, at the beginning. Right. And now it's like, no, this is starting to look bad.


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[Assistant] And so you're like, okay, I see why you disagree with this. I see why that's wrong is because you're losing or you're getting hurt.


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[Assistant] We do this too, like if you look at this, the whole notion of, uhm, intergender fights.


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[Assistant] Some people get very excited about it, and those same people can be like, but it's inappropriate.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when he fought Yen-Wu-Chu, Yen-Wu-Chu was much bigger. And like, even...


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[Assistant] Even like, Kara Hopper vs. Boon Lai, there were three of those, and the size difference between those two was like...


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[Assistant] With greater visibility comes greater pain of criticism and restriction and things like this.


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[Assistant] When we first came to Petrungrung and asked for Pinu's blessing to like, book my own fights and go outside of Patti and all that stuff, it's like no problem kind of thing. Right. I was fighting big.


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[Assistant] Then uhm, kind of out wherever, and then as I become more visible, as I become more well known, uhm, that


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[Assistant] Part of it that we could close our ears to that's like we don't hear the Thai side of it. It just gets.


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[Assistant] The key to understanding things, all of a sudden you can read everything.


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[Assistant] But my ability to access it?


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[Assistant] Uhm, my clinch vocabulary has suddenly...


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[Assistant] That many people say to me when they're looking at me training with these people is,


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[Assistant] With each trainer or teacher or whatever the thing is. But recently I've been kind of...


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[Assistant] Experimenting with the vocabularies from each of those conversations in my own work.


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[Assistant] And so, when I'm clinching at the gym, there are things that don't.


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[Assistant] So to transition between them, it's being able to shut out your opponent's flexibility from two different angles.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was able to experiment more. So the reason I was able to experiment was because there wasn't so much consequence to taking the risk.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so there were times when, like, it didn't work, or I lost my position, or you took quite a few photos of me and Carabao in some serious, like, face-smushing


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[Assistant] Don't go right, go straight, we like that road better. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Right. So I still sometimes get thrown from Pinot into


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[Assistant] Uhm, training partner sometimes, but because that's not my only thing, because I can compare it to other


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[Assistant] Uh, scenarios, and there was a very recent, this was actually right before my like breakthrough, sorry.


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[Assistant] Uh, where like, I went and fought in Trot, and that was where we were like, holy shit, Sylvie's clinch vocabulary just...


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[Assistant] Which is a way of clinching where one person stays it all the time. And when someone gets dominated or thrown down or whatever...


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[Assistant] But I would be man in the middle with, uhm, sometimes three partners, but Pnue was having me go against, uhm, a Swedish woman who's much bigger than me and strong, but not super skilled.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then he would have me either have the second person be another person who is bigger than me.


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[Assistant] And so it actually forces you into relying more on technique, which I didn't do before. I would just use strength against strength all the time.


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[Assistant] Like when you have the inside position and someone wraps their arm around the outside of your arm and is like pushing your face or something.


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[Assistant] If you, uh, keep your elbow on the front of someone's chest, you always have this little door jam to create space. Whereas if you go over their shoulder, you can't create space anymore.


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[Assistant] So this is like those little techniques, which is that when you're locked here and they're coming over you and pushing you, you've lost your strength. So you use your elbow on the inside of their arm to kind of pressure it out and it makes them lose a bit of their strength so that you can then move.


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[Assistant] When I was, uh, clinching Nang Benz in this fight,


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[Assistant] And he's like, no, no, no, you should have your arm over like this. And I'm like, wait. Wait. You said that to him? Yeah.


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[Assistant] And he's like, you can't, I'm just too big. And what he was teaching me was, be patient. Like, I'm too big and strong. You may not be able to do the move you want to do. Stop trying to do a move. Like, find your way there.


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[Assistant] He does this thing when he's writing where he'll choose the word.


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[Assistant] from any of those five languages because that's the one that really pulls the


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[Assistant] My Muay Thai, because I fight people who are so much bigger, is limited by the fact that they're so much bigger.


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[Assistant] Not resisting states so much. So a lot of people when they're trying to meditate will get really frustrated when their mind wanders because it's not focused and


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[Assistant] I think that I get really frustrated in Muay Thai because...


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[Assistant] My body is doing or my mind is doing things that Vipassana has taught me are natural states.


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[Assistant] And because nothing can stay the same forever, nothing, it's like, just pull the mind back.


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[Assistant] I'm having a very easy time focusing on the now and the present moment of what position the body is in, what the mind is doing, and like, oh that's very easy, but


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[Assistant] When you're frustrated, when you're tired, when you actually don't want to be sitting there, like all of these different things teaches you way more about the


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[Assistant] Outweighs me by like 10 kilos or more maybe. Uhm, but he's short and pudgy and not super strong. Uhm, so.


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[Assistant] They are so poorly organized that the meaning that they're supposed to carry


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[Assistant] I don't know, keep going, I was just interjecting that we're not just like...


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[Assistant] Uh, where people are in a line and you just take two random people and smush them together for a world title, like what?


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[Assistant] And so, if you are Lumpini champion, you are Thailand champion, you are heavyweight champion in boxing, WBC, like the green belt, like people know the green belt kind of thing, it's like there's this recognition.


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[Assistant] Is a carryover from when it meant something, but now there are so many sanctioning bodies putting a belt on everything to sell the fight.


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[Assistant] In Muay Thai, there are a lot of sanctioning bodies, there are a lot of belts, you can be a stadium, you know, whatever, local stadium, all these different things, uhm, that kind of cheapen the


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I think, to be fair, they said that she was half-Thai, like with Chrome.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but they gave her the name Stephen Bernard because it was just a for-wrong name. They didn't even know it's not a woman's name.


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[Assistant] She went home to Australia and they didn't want to like pull her from Australia or whatever. They didn't even ask her. They just had two other people fight for her title. That's her title.


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[Assistant] It seems like you're picking on people. Like it seems like you're like, these two people aren't up to snuff, whereas really you're talking about the entire system is not up to snuff.


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[Assistant] sacred as it should be, or as the meaning of it.


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[Assistant] Female WPMF world champion for like eight years?


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[Assistant] Was treated better or had like an improved experience by speaking Thai, but then she had this secondary thought that came after where she was like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't know that it matters that much, it's like how, if you're a completely shitty person, and you win, they love you. And you can be a great person and you lose and they hate you.


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[Assistant] I'm not like puffing myself of this like, this is going to mean a change in who I am, but I wanted to fucking put a picture on the wall. I wanted the kind of, everyone loves you when you win.


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[Assistant] So I have multiple thoughts about this. You saying that it's a change of status.


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[Assistant] When a stranger comes in and he's like, look at this picture, that's my champion because everyone is uplifted by me having won this title because it's this like, topical...


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[Assistant] Thing that you can put in newspapers, put a picture on the wall, have a belt, like all these different things. My day-to-day life?


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[Assistant] I, I did not want to see pictures of Nung Benz, my opponent, all over Moisaiam saying she'd beat me. Because they would.


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[Assistant] Mois I am. She is a favorite, she's beautiful, she's cute, she's all these things.


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[Assistant] So, going into that fight was not, I want the title of world champion, I want a belt. I wanted a picture on the wall, and I wanted not picture some grown men all up in voice I am.


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[Assistant] Because there's more pressure on her.


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[Assistant] Doing my ramboy, and I talk about this in my voiceover, the moment for me when I know what I'm focused on, or if I'm focused, is when the ramboy music first starts, and you bow to your corner. When you bow to your corner, you touch your head to the ground, and you think, three, uh,


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[Assistant] Authorities, generally it's your parents, your teacher, and the king. I think of three teachers.


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[Assistant] Before I even left for it by asking for that. And so when I was bowing to the corner and thinking of him, I was re...


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[Assistant] We're very excited because we are bringing Mt. Gubo and Nanki Paihuyu who is considered by some to be the best.


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[Assistant] We're trying it again on a much smaller scale with Namkabun. A decent one came for a month. Namkabun's coming for three days. Uhm, and hopefully we'll be able to repeat it.


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[Assistant] Taste for really liking this process. And so when we did the Four Legends seminar in Bangkok, which was, uh, Him, Chak Chai, Diesel Noi, and Karahat.


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[Assistant] If you're in Thailand, come to Pattaya. And if you're in Pattaya, come to Petch Rang Rang. Don't miss it. Right? It'll be very special.


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[Assistant] Uh, I guess injury itself hurts. Once you mention it, that's what people are gonna be thinking about. Okay. Uhm, I hurt my shoulder. Uhm, I hurt my shoulder two fights ago. Uhm, and I, I don't know.


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[Assistant] You know, did some stuff on it. I was like taking, uh, massages and trying to stretch it out and things like that a little bit, but not in a hardcore way. Uhm, I was having a hard time doing certain movements, but I was still clenching through it because you have to keep training. Uhm, and it's basically just this like,


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[Assistant] Uh, occasionally letting crew know that I was, uhm, having a hard time in clinching because my shoulder hurt, like just that this is still a thing kind of thing.


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[Assistant] But it's this doctor who has this school of thought that our anatomy is meant to hang the way that like monkeys hang from trees. Uhm, and so you can actually release a great deal of shoulder injury, burden, hurting, whatever kind of problems you have in your shoulders can actually be, uhm, remedied by just hanging.


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[Assistant] So I started just hanging at the gym 30 seconds at a time, but doing maybe like 4 or 5 sets if I could in a training session. So I do not have a lot of time.


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[Assistant] In hanging, uh, to tell you how all of this is developed, but given the pain in my shoulder, given how much 30 seconds of hanging on a bar, just hanging there like you're on a jungle gym,


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[Assistant] Uhm, it releases so much in my shoulders, I was like, this is a thing.


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[Assistant] So I'm gonna try hanging with this, but the reason we're talking about these injuries is not because it's important to focus on these injuries, but because


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[Assistant] And uhm, these ones, uh, in particular have sent us down a new channel with this hanging thing.


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[Assistant] Yes, and I definitely am into preventing unnecessary, uhm,


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[Assistant] Along the way, that's a problem. So uhm.


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[Assistant] Like Kevin's been giving me a little bit of a hard time for not hanging yet on this.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there was a fight many years ago where I broke my hand in a fight because the gloves at the stadium were complete shit. It was like basically putting...


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[Assistant] I couldn't do anything with my hand that was like this, so I couldn't open anything, I couldn't like turn a door handle. So I found the things I couldn't do and just slowly for 14 hours was like continuing to keep as much range of motion as I could. When you take a terrible leg kick,


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[Assistant] Torn up now. And then the day after my fight I went and did a, uhm, patron session. And...


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[Assistant] for a year to lock with my right arm. I just can't do it because I automatically go with my left. Now that my left is injured and I have to lock with my right, maybe now I'll start locking with my right, like it's an opportunity.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was right after I fought Saza and was like feeling really shitty about myself.


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[Assistant] And my suffering was this very hardcore emotional self-doubting


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[Assistant] Put me in this place that was questioning like, do I wanna keep...


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[Assistant] Love is like that. Family is like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, passion projects are like that.


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[Assistant] Where if you're an artist, it's not like I just get to express myself all day and it's so easy going. You suffer for your work. Like your work is hard. Uhm.


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[Assistant] It implies that you're on this landing spot. Don't fuckin' land, man. Like...


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[Assistant] One of the things that led to our argument or was involved in our argument was that


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[Assistant] These are your limitations. You don't fuckin' blast through it one day and then be like,


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[Assistant] Okay, well I did that one thing. You're now gonna be training on an injured shoulder for like two weeks. You have to be...


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[Assistant] Uh, you know all these different things that you actually cannot be a fighter if you're not willing to risk something.


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[Assistant] There's a guy at the gym right now who because he's teaching, uh, he doesn't have time to train twice a day.


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[Assistant] So she has tons of, uh, experience in fighting and was, uhm,


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[Assistant] And so they, they bought Stamp and turned her into what she is now, and she is a much better fighter.


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[Assistant] Not only she was, but that she possibly could have been given the trajectory that most


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[Assistant] She's going into MMA a little bit. She has two belts through one. One is kickboxing, one is Muay Thai, right? I think so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but she is going into MMA. Contrast that with Loma, who's going into MMA, but she has none of this promotional...


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[Assistant] Uh, one, the opportunity to come fight Stamp on one, but then to have done so well that one was like again and take her and bring her for the most recent one.


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[Assistant] On a large scale because they just don't pay that close of attention. But when the UFC created a female division, they had a star and then whoever they're feeding to her.


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[Assistant] You have to build everybody. Like, you have to have all the stories, and so you're like, oh my god, she's fighting her. Like,


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[Assistant] If, if one had not cared about Janet anymore because even though she fought great, she lost. They're like bye. And now you're like, well now who's Stamp fighting? I don't know, whoever the next name is that I'm not gonna remember or whatever. Now you're like, I remember Janet, she did great against Stamp. Now she's done this really great thing.


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[Assistant] Which was, uh, when I fought Lomani, which is quite a well-known fight to even people who don't know me because it's the one where she cut me so much. This was like my first major cuts in fights. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Because she won that fight, uh, Yokow signed her.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're hitting good notes over and over and over and over.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's, it moves, like they have different locations.


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[Assistant] For free, which we're able to do because of the generosity and support provided by my patrons. For my patrons, we provide, uh, special content that's on Patreon. For my patrons, as a thank you for the support that they give to


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[Assistant] Uh, Sylvie and Kevin driving across Thailand. Muay Thai Bones, if you're new to the podcast, is this epic podcast on Muay Thai that we do when, uh, we're driving across Thailand. Um, usually coming home from a fight, uh, that Sylvie had, um, is by far


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[Assistant] The greatest Muay Thai podcast in the world. Why?


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[Assistant] A multiverse, I think. Why? Because nobody in the world does what Sylvie does. Or even what we do. She just fought her 259th fight.


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[Assistant] Uh, we try to cover Muay Thai with incredible depth, basically all the ways that Muay Thai touches our lives and hopefully your life too. We want to think deeply about Muay Thai, the technique, the culture, and also Thailand itself, right? Yes.


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[Assistant] If you're new to the podcast, we cover a topic about 20 minutes, 30 minutes at a time. Uh, so if you're not into what we're talking about, we'll probably be talking about something very different, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, uhm, down the hop ahead. Uhm, if you're a patron,


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[Assistant] All our patrons have access to, uhm,


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[Assistant] So, you can be watching this in the video form for free on YouTube, but if you'd like to get it on Android or Apple, uhm, so you can listen, uh,


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[Assistant] Like an actual podcast. Like I watch Joe Rogan on YouTube, but you listen to him in podcast form.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, we're gonna jump right into it. The first thing we're gonna cover is pooped heads.


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[Assistant] We have avoided Phuket and the islands of Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] It's not that we haven't gone south. We've avoided it.


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[Assistant] Right? Like, we've developed a kind of like, I'm not sure we will, I really want to go there. To be honest about it, right?