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[Assistant] But then when like Gruden called up the whole team for him to make a speech, it was like he became a different guy. All of a sudden like, the, the speech part of his life like went out the window. I don't know what it was, but it was actually very funny.


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[Assistant] Deep diving into those type of subjects to where it's gonna be a great listen and, uh, Mike loves the sport, has a lot of connections. So yeaah, I encourage anybody to listen to PFTPM.


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[Assistant] Florio's the man, it's a great podcast, and he's gonna hit some subjects that you're not gonna hear on normal talk radio or football, sports radio, anything like that. Oh, I just wanna go back.


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[Assistant] It is, it is no. I will say this. I heard enough about epic chicken wing places there to where it least was on my radar.


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[Assistant] To where some of the people I was working with from NBC, we talked about, like, if we have some dead time, maybe we'll hit one of the famous wing establishments, but we didn't. It was kind of a wham bam, thank you ma'am type of, uh.


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[Assistant] Right, well yea, I try, I try to be, but I am a meat eater too, and I do love some chicken wings, certainly. I like them well done, a little crispy, okay? Blue cheese? Uh, never, absolutely not. Are you f***ing kidding me? Blue cheese is disgusting, okay? A chicken wing is a blue cheese delivery system. Ranch! Ranch! I wouldn't even want ranch, just put some barbecue sauce on it and let me throw it in my mouth, okay? I drove all the way up here.


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[Assistant] Apparently, I've never heard so many people bash a show they love so much, so. It's a show about dragons, Chris. You have to take it seriously, okay? Come on. Apparently. But sorry, Buffalo, I did not hit it up. Uh, it was on my to-do list. If we had extra time, I didn't get it done. Alright. Yeah. Wow.


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[Assistant] Oddly enough, that was the first time I was ever in Buffalo yesterday. Really? Well, all my, my eight years in the NFL, I always missed Buffalo on the schedule. Like, we were getting ready to play them in Tampa, and I went to the Tennessee Titans. And in the Tennessee Titans, we were getting ready to play them and go up to Buffalo, and I went to the Denver Broncos the next year. So, I always kinda missed them on the schedule. I gotta tell you.


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[Assistant] You can fix it. There's no doubt about that. And again, I think the accuracy thing is a little overblown, again, with the Josh Allen. For some reason we talk about him, but, you know, I've made this comment, but 2.5% better was Daniel Jones at number 6 this year, and nobody talks about it with him.


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[Assistant] I guess you're right. So it bothers me. And really I broke it down last year with the inaccuracy thing when he was coming out of college and basically said if he got to throw the extra nine screens a game that Baker Mayfield did,


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[Assistant] He would have been closer to 70%, and that's what he was being basically judged off. The fact that Baker got to throw on average like nine screens a game, and he got to throw one, that was the difference in what people were going, he's not accurate and he is accurate. Listen, Josh Allen has some things to work on.


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[Assistant] Just pull back the aggressive nature he has as far as throwing the ball down the field. It's okay. When I would watch film last year, he was always going for the kill strike. It was always, oh, I'm going to fit this 40 yarder in. You know, and sometimes I just want to be like, no, throw the five yard route to LaShawn McCoy and he's going to be one on one on the backer and he might run for another 20 yards.


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[Assistant] There's some mechanical things you can do to become a better short game passer. And I think the biggest thing just to wrap it up without getting too technical


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[Assistant] As he needs to lessen his backswing, right? You know, like a, like a, you know, just like a golfer. You can't always go for 350 as far as you're gonna hit it and just reach back and I'm gonna crush it.


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[Assistant] You know, no, this is one of those things when you do throw it shorter, you gotta keep your motion tighter. You gotta, you know, not think about letting your arm get way behind you for such a short route. And I think those are the things he's realized and he's working on it.


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[Assistant] Close. Yeah? It is close. Yes, I mean, and I know that's, people might be going like, what do you mean it's close? Josh Allen's arm is like,


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[Assistant] Maybe he proves me wrong and so be it if he does. Uh, either way, my homes we know.


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[Assistant] Uh, him, Rogers would be in the conversation for the strongest arm in football. Josh Allen has definitely interjected himself there as well.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think it would be a, you're gonna have to throw at 84 or 85 to win the competition because I think both of them are gonna go 82, 81, 83, somewhere in that range. Who would finish dead last in a league?


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[Assistant] Well, I added like, just right off the bat, of course I think of Eli, okay? I don't mean to bag on Eli here, but just as far as pure arm strength, throwing the ball down the field for distance, he would be up there for me, okay? Uhm, mmm, man. Gosh, that's a...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, Phillip Rivers for pure distance. Okay. I think he would be towards the bottom too because, and I've talked about this a little on my podcast lately, his, his, his throwing motion does not lend itself to power and great distance that way. Uh, so that would be up there to me. Uhm, those two, I think if we just looked at the kind of the starting quarterbacks,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they would be towards the bottom of football if we just got into a pure distance throwing competition. Okay. Satisfied with those answers? I, I don't know.


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[Assistant] McCoy's still a player, you know, I do, I, I've said this a few times, I do think the change of scenery is going to be good for him. You know, I understand the Bucs not wanting to keep him at $13 million per year, okay, I don't know, yeaah, he's probably not worth that at this point.


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[Assistant] Best landing spot. Alright, there's three teams that to me jump out more than any. I answered a few of these questions on Twitter yesterday, but the three that jump out more than any to me are the Colts. One, they have true positional need there.


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[Assistant] Is right up, this is right up there, Ali, the aging superstar who they know might accept a little less to come up here and be a part of our culture and know you're gonna be in a big time game.


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[Assistant] That's a tough one because there are two teams that are like on upward trajectory big time. Gosh, I don't know what I would do there. I mean that really is.


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[Assistant] Has done it before. You know what, now that you said that, I agree with you. Okay. I think that there's definitely...


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[Assistant] Less of a gamble with the Colts. We're projecting, we're hoping, we want, we think. These are all the things that I think with the Browns.


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[Assistant] But we don't know yet. And you do have to prove it on the field. And there is something about winning in the NFL on a consistent basis. And you're right. Luck and the Colts have proven that they can do it. So from that standpoint, yea, it's probably a safer bet. Did it make sense for the Bucs to go?


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[Assistant] No, I don't understand that. I don't. I mean, I mean, again, for three million dollars, it sounds like we're going to be in the ballpark for saving that type of money. Yeah, I mean, I'm a little surprised they're making that move to go from 13 million a year to 10 million dollars a year. To me, when you get into that kind of conversation, I would think there might be something more


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[Assistant] To the story there, maybe more friction between Tampa and McCoy than maybe is being let on. I don't know that, I'm just throwing that out there, but I have found that very peculiar. It just seemed odd. I didn't think they were going to go the Sioux route.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I do. Ricky Williams is definitely a Hall of Fame talent. Uh, Ricky Williams is, you know, even


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[Assistant] After some of the, you know, the marijuana, I'm escaping to Canada and quitting football and doing that, he came back to the Miami Dolphins. You gotta look at Ricky Williams' career stats. They're pretty impressive. And you get into some of those years with the Dolphins and you go, oh gosh, he was towards the top of the NFL and rushing, you know, per year. And freak of nature, I've said this, I'll say it again.


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[Assistant] Toughest dudes I ever knew in my life in the NFL. When Ricky Williams run at them they said


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[Assistant] Screw that, I'm going down to his ankles and just gonna hope he trips over me. Because he was like a freight train, uh, quick, explosive, acceleration, power, had it all. Like yeaah, I truly believe Ricky. Ricky, I mean even now, even right now, you could make a borderline case. Yeaah. You know, and go.


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[Assistant] Going back into college, I mean, he did, yeaah, the last few years of Texas, and yeaah, he was a true workhorse, but he had the body that can handle it. But yeaah, I think if marijuana was legal in the NFL and he didn't have to worry about it, you know, that, I can say, it's an extra


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[Assistant] Three, maybe four thousand yards in Ricky Williams total career yardage to where now all of a sudden you go, whoa, that's kind of up there in the rankings. And plus part of his problems also were just being comfortable. Comfortable in his own skin with his celebrity and everything.


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[Assistant] Ricky had social issues and he admitted that. Ricky was a, he's a great dude. I don't know why I always said was, like he still is. He's a great dude. That guy, I enjoyed being around Ricky Williams, the person a lot. No ego. He really had a hard time accepting the fact that people thought he was special. And I thought, I always thought that was kind of cool about Ricky.


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[Assistant] What do you do about the states like Wisconsin where it's not medicinally? Yeaah. Or, you know, just legal in general? To where you go, Green Bay Packers, you can't do it, but yet, you know, the team next door for some reason, you can't do it? Well, it's interesting too.


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[Assistant] You're right, guys, you're gonna look at it and go, damn, okay, I can smoke weed here in the off season and not have to worry about any repercussions. If I get caught within my car, as long as I'm not smoking, I'm not gonna get arrested like I would maybe in some other state. All those things, you're right, will go in, into that, uh,


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[Assistant] conversation all together. Hey, I'm glad the NFL is opening their eyes about the subject a little bit. I mean, you know.


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[Assistant] Who tell me they mess with pills because that's what they grew up with. High school, college, when they were at parties, it was uppers, it was downers, it was, it was Adderall instead of doing Coke or whatever. So when you hear that...


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[Assistant] To me, you know, you open the legalization of marijuana, you're gonna take away some of that fact, that faction of people right away, let alone all the bad things that go into opioids. And as far as an NFL football player, you know, I think NFL football players, uh,


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[Assistant] Right. And then who knows where the night goes from there. All of a sudden, you know, you're jumping off something into a pool and you're like, oh damn coach, I broke my nose because I jumped into the shallow end of the pool. That's like shit that I've had happen with teammates. You've had like someone up on the roof, like I'm a golden guy. I'm a golden guy.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yeaah, I mean, I'm, I'm with you there. And, uh, you know, again, I think there's a greater number of players in the NFL that smoke marijuana than maybe the public realizes. I'm gonna say it's about 70% in the NFL.


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[Assistant] No, I know. And I was never fairly intelligent about it. I always pushed the limit. I always did. Every time. Cause I was like, they're not gonna get me the first few weeks. I'm gonna keep doing it. Or I would go...


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[Assistant] He thinks that one of the reasons you're seeing some of the high priced vets stay away, one, we know they're training with their trainers and they want to do their own thing. I get that.


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[Assistant] This player told me he also thinks that the reasons you're seeing some of the higher end players stay away is because they're getting extra time, one, to either clean out or continue to smoke weed because they know, because this is the time of the year, yes, where drug testing happens, but they don't come find you. They're not gonna like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, so Oklahoma Drill for everybody out there just to explain it real quick is like, uh, almost like if you just had four cones in a square, you know, what you'd come from the same corners of that square and meet in the middle on an angle and basically have a high-end collision that way, okay? Uhm, it's dangerous, okay, especially at the NFL level.


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[Assistant] I think the big thing is, I don't think this affects the NFL. I really don't. No one's doing it now, right? No, it's been out of vogue for a long time.


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[Assistant] Even early on in my career in the NFL, nobody was doing the Oklahoma drill. The other one was bowling the ring. That's the other one that's been eliminated where, you know, a guy would sit in the middle of a circle of big players, you'd call out a name and that guy had to run and he had to try to have a collision at the spot and stop him in his tracks.


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[Assistant] That was going on just a little at the start of my career, but almost being pushed out of the league at that point too. One thing is, right, with the NFL, and you know this, most of those guys are in the NFL because they like hitting, and they're good at it to begin with. So they don't need to like, we gotta see if you're tough enough.


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[Assistant] What, what really is going on with the college and the high school level where those are going, yeaah, they're trying to get players used to contact and this is how you have to tackle at full speed. But they are dangerous and it's a little bit unnecessary.


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[Assistant] But I think it's a smart thing, yes, to show that it's banned in the NFL, to get it to trickle down to college, high school, because there's other ways you can work on tackling at this point, to not put yourself in danger, or the unnecessary contact of the head in the Oklahoma Dribble, which sets up that way.


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[Assistant] Two people coming on an angle like that, someone lowers their head a little bit, even though if you're not trying to use the head, you're gonna get hit in the head and you're gonna see three of every


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[Assistant] That's a valid question at the quarterback position. I don't know if you ever can be. I don't think he'd ever want you to be totally on the same page because he wants to keep driving you to be better and clean up little things that he thinks you need to work on. Excuse me there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, totally overcompensation, is what I looked at that, Derek Carr. And if anybody hasn't seen the clip, like you go, okay, so here's the clip, we got it right here, let's listen to it.


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[Assistant] I'm the king of the throne here. Yeaah. To me that's sort of, alright, so this is where I start off with it. You know, one, do, do, do I, you know, think that maybe he had conversations with the owner and everybody else? Yeaah, I'm sure he has. The owner, Mike Mayock, John Gruden.


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[Assistant] Do I think that this was like, they had this conversation with him in early January, and they're like, here's the off-season plan. We're gonna let you in on it, quarterback.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna trust that you won't tell anybody and this is how we're gonna execute. That doesn't go on. That goes out of nowhere. Tom Brady doesn't even get the respect of that. Belichick and Kraft aren't like, hey Tom, here's the offseason plan. No, you play quarterback, we coach and run the team. That's the way it works. You know that's the way it works in the NFL. So he's trying to claim like he knew what was going on all the time.


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[Assistant] No way. Absolutely not. I don't buy that at one bit because I've never heard of that really happening in an NFL organization, even with quarterbacks who are way more accomplished than Derek Carr.


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[Assistant] After the drafts, propaganda talk, hey Derek, you're a guy, you're the franchise, you know, Mark Davis is in the room, Mayok's in the room, Gruden's in the room, because they are trying to get the positive culture. We want our quarterback to be happy, so the locker room will be happy, and he'll lead our team, and he'll lead our offense, so I do think it's part about kind of


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[Assistant] That's what that was. So yeah, I throw the challenge fight. And that was just a little over braggadocious to me, okay? I'm gonna be the quarterback here for as long as I wanna be. No, you're not. You're gonna have to earn it. Again, you're not Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger. Like, you've had two below average years. And we know in the NFL,


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're getting towards the line now where if you don't have a good year this year, you might be fighting for your job by the end of the season or going


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[Assistant] You're not going to be able to get it done here. He'd be the perfect thing for Tennessee. I mean, they need to have a lightning rod type of guy head coach there and he would be perfect. He's the best player to ever come out of that school. You know, the state loves him. He's got national.


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[Assistant] National notoriety to where you're gonna be able to recruit. Exactly right. People are gonna go, damn, I can play for Peyton Manning in Tennessee? Okay, I'll do that. I'm from California, but sure, I'll do that.


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[Assistant] And that's what I think people miss with Tennessee, that's why I was gonna say it too, because not great in-state talent in Tennessee. So they have to recruit nationally and steal people from other states. So that's one that jumps off my...


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[Assistant] The top of my list. Other ex-players. My problem with this is I always think about quarterbacks. That's my problem. I need to think of other positions that would


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[Assistant] That would be involved in this, you know, like, I'm just trying to think of like, you know, smart X's and O's, football players, like, you know, gosh, Ray Lewis was one of the smarter players I ever played against. Him going back to Miami, I don't know if he'd be up for that, but I'd pay to see it.


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[Assistant] Plus into what, I think you said too, will the guy actually be a self-motivated that's because you've made so much money and you've been so good at something already, or you really have that driving urge in the morning when you wake up to go, I'm gonna be the best at this now. Yeaah, it's hard. Yeaah. It's really hard. Is hardball, like,


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[Assistant] The best we've seen, I mean alright, so I know Tom Flores, he played quarterback, he won two Super Bowls as the coach of the Oakland Raiders, people forget that, he does not get the respect for that. Okay, there's one. But like Jim Harbaugh, I'm just trying to think, other high level


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[Assistant] Football players, I'm choking under the moment, but I mean, he's not as high as I can remember as a good player to where then he became a coach and it became pretty big time there too.


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[Assistant] First guy that jumped out to me is Sammy Watkins, okay, who I think we know as we've seen him almost in that role, but never maybe quite. He's drafted to be that guy. Right, but always had the injuries in Buffalo, goes to the Rams, does some good things there, but you know, it was maybe even outshined there by Robert Woods.


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[Assistant] I look at him as being a guy with a Tyree kill situation. Just, that was the first one that came to my mind to wear. First of all, he's being paid like he's the number one. So he's gotta perform from that standpoint.


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[Assistant] That would be one guy that jumps out to me, uhm, talking about other guys that would jump on the scene as number ones this year. That's a really good question. I mean, gosh, I look at Tennessee, like Corey Davis has to have that type of year. Uh, it was a top five pick a few years ago, you know.


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[Assistant] I'll throw another one. Devante Parker with the Miami Dolphins has shown moments, hasn't been able to stay healthy or consistent, but I do think overall the talent is there, the offense that he'll be in, which is going to be New England-ish now. I look at him to be a guy that can kind of jump onto the scene.


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[Assistant] Cortland Sutton with the Denver Broncos. I'm just kinda looking at teams and seeing if anybody pops my head. Cortland Sutton.


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[Assistant] Yes, for the Broncos, he's second round pick at SMU. He's a guy I look at could be the number one target, especially with Emmanuel Sanders coming off Achilles' tear. Uh, after that,


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[Assistant] One thing, Steelers, I do think the receiving core there is still pretty strong, and they're creative offensively.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, yeah, we're gonna take away Gronk. We're gonna take away Antonio Brown. Then you look up and go...


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[Assistant] So damn, he's got 10 catches for 140 yards, I guess he didn't take them away. No, because they've moved around, they've stacked them in a bunch, you know, they've found ways to pick for them, whatever it may be. So, that jumps out to me, uhm,


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[Assistant] I'll tell you, other guys that need to jump out, okay, like Josh Doxon for the Washington Redskins, he's a guy. Gotta become a number one if they want to be successful this year. DJ Moore in Carolina, does he make the big jump and truly become the go-to guy there? He showed glimmers last year.


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[Assistant] It's a big year for Matt Stafford. Yeaah, we got an O-line and a tight end and a running game for the first time ever. But damn, now he's got no receivers. Yeaah, now it's that issue. It's a reverse Matt Stafford curse. So, I worry about that a little with them.


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[Assistant] I lived there, I felt like, I mean, I think, you know, if you talk to some of my ex-teammates, like Rondé Barber or Derek Brooks, they'd go, yeah, I mean, I felt like, you know, Rondé Barber used to literally make fun of me because he would walk in and be like, you're still here? Why are you here? Uhm, so okay, on a given day, when I was a starting quarterback, let's just say, uhm, you know,


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[Assistant] A Wednesday, which is your toughest day of the, of the week as far as a quarterback is concerned or the NFL team. I want to say I walked in six


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[Assistant] 50ish right around or before 7am as the starting quarterback and I would say I was probably walking out of the facility


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say somewhere 6 o'clock-ish, 5.30. Okay. You know, somewhere there. And might take another look as I get home that night and eat dinner. I sit on the couch and just go, oh, let me, you know, here's the list of third down passes tomorrow. Let me just...


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[Assistant] No, I don't want to make life any harder than it had to be, right. So yeaah, I could wake up at 6.20 in the morning.


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[Assistant] And be in the facility at 6.40 and then get a plate of breakfast and go into a room and then go, okay, I'm gonna start watching film for an hour before we have our first meeting or start to do that and then just ship away at the day.


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[Assistant] Nice. Yeah, but that's a quarterback. No days off for a quarterback in the NFL. Tuesdays, not a day off. I know it's a day off for the rest of everybody else in the arrow, but man, when you're a starting quarterback, nobody wants to hear that crap.


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[Assistant] And especially this day and age when you're making thirty million dollars a year, they're going, we're paying you two million dollars a week. Can you be here on Tuesday, please?


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[Assistant] Oh gosh, there was always like two or three of those guys where it's like, we have a team meeting at 8.30 and it's 8.29 and 24 seconds and there's five guys still not here and then you go, oh there's five guys not here, four of them are gonna be like either DBs or receivers. Were they in a rush when they got in there? Oh yea, yea.


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[Assistant] A lot of times, yes. Really? Because the meeting might start at 8.30 and then he would walk in at 8.35 or something like that.


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[Assistant] Yes, that is Lindell White for you. That's my man right there. What's the response at that point? Like it was always like a laugh or it got to the point I think at the end of that year, especially where in 2008 where we just, I think Fisher stopped asking him. I just was like, whatever, you're late. I'll deal with you later. Let's move on with the meeting.


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[Assistant] Big time year. I really am. I mean, the big thing with Jimmy G, I don't really have any other questions other than just, can he stay healthy? That's really all there is to it.


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[Assistant] I told everybody to pump the brakes on the 49ers last year before the season. This year, I'm saying don't pump the brakes. I'm saying this is the year. I think the 49ers will be extremely relevant. I will be shocked.


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[Assistant] Defense made big strides last year. They got a good offensive line. They got some more receivers to help Jimmy Garoppolo in the draft. I just look at them and go, yeah, I think the 49ers are going to be in the playoff conversation.


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[Assistant] I really think, within that, if they are there and that kind of, I think Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna be in like the top 10 in the NFL and quarterback rating and stats and all that. Okay. Yeah, I have that much faith in the Kyle Shannon offense along with the players around him to where I go. It just seems and looks right to me.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's a really good question. I think it would have to be 6 and 10 or worse. I think if he goes 7 and 9 and at least they're being talked about as a playoff option early in December.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that he, he, he'll be okay. I do. Seven and nine, eight and eight, nine and seven. You know, I think those are realistic expectations. We're gonna be realistic. I know we all want them to go to the playoffs, and if you're making me pick, I'm saying they're gonna make it into the wild card round right now too. But again, there's a lot different than us talking about it now than it actually is. There's tons of facts.


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[Assistant] Okay, maybe he would be in trouble then too. If it was like seven to nine and Baker Mayfield took a step back, Odell couldn't get the ball, you know, the offense looks dysfunctional at times, then I would think maybe that would make them reevaluate. But I really think anything


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[Assistant] Just positive. I mean, this is a football team that has been used to going one win, two wins. Sure. Go seven, eight and one last year.


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[Assistant] I know we all want playoffs, but I think realistically anything like 8-8 ish or better is you're still on the right track in Cleveland. I expect it to be better.


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[Assistant] I mean, I believe it. When you're Mike Turrico. First off, I hope Mario Andretti made him like squeal a few times and stepped on the gas, okay? I mean, you gotta make Mike Turrico feel uncomfortable. Two, is this even legal? Is he getting a police escort? That's the first thing I want to know. Are you allowed to just take this damn thing? Well, they're driving, I don't know, you're driving in India.


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[Assistant] Where does he put his luggage? I don't know, I'm just throwing questions out there.


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[Assistant] When I do my numenos, cause I don't do Oreos, cause numenos have all the natural organic ingredients, right? No, no, no bad things in them. You just take the fun right out of Oreos. I did, but damn, they're phenomenal. They're phenomenal, you gotta try them. But that's the only time I probably drink them at this point.


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[Assistant] Heart of the tradition of Memorial Day weekend. I think so. To where I don't sit there and watch the whole race. I'm not gonna sit here and bullshit everybody.


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[Assistant] But I will. No, but it feels like America. It's loud engines. It's fast cars. It does. I'm gonna check in here, check in there. Oh, it's the last, you know, 10 laps. Let me sit down and watch it. I don't know any of the racers usually, but it is cool and it is a tradition and it's certainly


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[Assistant] The biggest race, or the first race I ever found out about as far as car racing.


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[Assistant] I feel like we could almost pick one guy from every team. Alright, two names that jump out to me right away.


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[Assistant] Tell the one, okay, I know he's not like a smaller guy, but he's got some feistiness about him, he will take a borderline shot, he will play to the whistle, he's edgy.


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[Assistant] He is the type of guy that'll give you an extra nudge here or there to where it'll frustrate players, where you'll love having them on your team, but when you're playing against them, you're like, this is the biggest asshole in football. Exactly where I see him at the games all the time.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh. I don't know, I think that's worse. I'd rather lick the hockey player than drink the beer through the fish.


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[Assistant] Here we go. Top 40 countdown of quarterbacks. I've started my, I've, I've,


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[Assistant] And we're going to do two a day on PFT. We're going to throw them into the podcast. So here we go. Start the discussion of the top 40 quarterbacks in the NFL.


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[Assistant] He's there. He's in there. I'm not telling you where, but he's there. Alright.


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[Assistant] Alright everybody, peace out. Have a good Memorial Day weekend. Be safe. Have a lot of fun. You the man Liam. Peace out. Always fun buddy. See you next week everyone.


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[Assistant] He's got a really good arm. He's very good in the pocket. He's a good decision maker. He's accurate. And then his athleticism.


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[Assistant] But this is the guy. I don't think anybody in the NFL is thinking otherwise right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think that's the big thing. And for a guy, like we said, with Cliff Kingsbury, who is going to be tinkering with his offense.


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[Assistant] But Josh Allen does not have great Ben coming around the edge. I thought a number of his sacks were won in ways that are not going to be realistically won in the NFL. So I have my concerns there. I know he's a very versatile athlete. There's certainly things I like. I just don't love him at number three. To me, there's things about his game that scare me. And, uh, I let you know about a few.


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[Assistant] You know, I know this even from my NFL friends. His ability to go speed to power does not exist.


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[Assistant] And the physicality of his game was the thing that you and I talked about on the podcast that really bothered me.


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[Assistant] There is a physical element that you need at that position to be successful. And I think he misses that. I could be wrong and I'll be the first one to admit it when it's all said and done. But I just have my concerns and yeaah, that's all I'll say about Josh Allen. But certainly an interesting prospect and a very good athlete at the very least. And let me just add, that was a huge


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[Assistant] He's phenomenal. To Alva Thor's point just from there, to get pressure, what we would call green dogs in the NFL, right? Like times like, he's supposed to cover the back in coverage. Oh, the back is blocking. Now he gets the chance to go rush the quarterback. And his acceleration and explosion, I think quarterbacks go, oh, he's not coming. And they look downfield and all of a sudden they go, boom, who the hell was that? And you go, oh crap, it was the guy that I said wasn't coming. How the hell did he get here so fast?


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[Assistant] He is truly a special explosive middle linebacker. To answer your question, I think he's better than Roquan Smith last year. And, uh, you know, and to what Josh says, the middle linebacker in this NFL right now,


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[Assistant] Who are going, how can I get this guy in the ball all the time? Yes, you have to take that element into account, especially too with, hey, the tight ends of the world. It's not, you know, hey, Gronkowski's out, but you gotta be other Travis Kelsey's going down this scene and he's gonna see guys like OJ Howard in practice every day. You know, those type of guys where they can be end of the line blockers, but also almost slot receivers.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I hear you, Thor. I mean, I don't know where the Dwayne Haskins conversation went. He is a top 10 talent. I've said he's got a lot of Ben Roethlisberger in his game. I really like what he has. I think where he failed


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[Assistant] Uh, and you and I have talked about this was his look at the combine. That's where he really, it's almost a litmus test in itself. And the fact that he was a little out of shape, uh, I don't think he blew people away in the meeting rooms. And then you cramp.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm gonna go with T.J. Hawkinson from Iowa. Okay, I think that's gonna be the pick there. I do. I think first of all, this is Doug Marrone. He wants to run the football. Okay, so he'd like to have a tight end that can also block in the run game. Hawkinson is very well-rounded in both. Tough as hell. And then,


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[Assistant] Hockinson ran 4-7 at the combine, right guys? That's right. Uhm, he plays much faster than that. I mean, he, to me, if you just went off the film, I'd go, oh, this guy's like a high 4-5, low 4-6 guy, but a really well-rounded football player, who I think is only gonna get bigger and stronger, has a frame to grow into, to where I think he is,


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[Assistant] I just think they're gonna go, we've got Andrew Norwell, we've got Cam Robinson at left tackle, who was a second round pick, right? They got a really good center, center in Brandon Linder, who's one of the better centers in the sport.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I know, that's how I, Lions were one of the, one of the question marks for me in the top ten because, you know, even with Montez Sweat, agree with both of you guys, the player is a baller and I really don't even think we've seen the real Montez Sweat. To me, these type of guys flourish in the NFL when they get around other alpha males and they start to,


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[Assistant] All of that. Daniel Hunter. Think about him. He came out of LSU, went to the Minnesota Vikings. I thought, man, this guy's just some tall, long, kind of a wimpy player.


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[Assistant] New England believes in size, Paul. They believe in big people. I don't think Brian Burns would be their cup of tea to be on the edge of the defense. So just, it's, it's not really in their DNA. I always tell that to people. People like New England, and I know this is Detroit we're talking about, but they're trying to replicate New England North, right? Uh, New England's one of those teams where for whatever reason their uniforms don't look


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[Assistant] Like, that makes them look smaller, but when you get on the field and see them in person and you go, you know, whoa, there's Nate Solder. I know, you know, or Rob Gronkowski or whoever it may be. You go, this team is gigantic in person and they win with their physicality. It's Bill Belichick. He came from my dad's Giants team. They believe in being bigger and out physicaling teams. Uh, so that is part of their motto.


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[Assistant] I mean, one of the freakiest athletes in the draft.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's no, there's no doubt about it. You know, this is why I always argue you got to be a little careful about production because of what Thor said. He was in a college playing a position that he has no business playing, uh, and he still was awesome. But at the end of the day, you just got to evaluate the player and the specimen and go as an NFL team.


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[Assistant] We're gonna use him properly, and you haven't even seen the real guy yet. And, you know, to what all they're saying. I mean, he's just...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so. Uh, for me again, I think with Denver, I go down to there, there's offensive line a little bit, but I don't think that happens. You know, they got bowls at left tackle. They just gave Juan James a lot of money at right tackle. Uh, I don't think they're going to go interior O line here. I've thought about tight end at the end of the day, their new head coach is Vic Fangio. I think they're going to address defense. And I think this is where Devin Bush is going to go off the board. I just think it makes too much sense.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a 3-4 scheme. Vic Fangio is the new head coach.


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[Assistant] He's trying to build the right personnel for this defense. Also, the defense is his baby, just like how an offensive coach wants the offense to do well. Well, defensive coach wants his defense to be, you know, the star of the show. And I think Devin Bush, uh, although he might not be as good as Devin White or maybe Roquan Smith or either way, I still think this is a,


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[Assistant] Really superstar type NFL linebacker who, if I had one issues with his game, hey, he's a little undersized and when the run game comes right at him, can he always get off blocks or sometimes he can get swallowed by big guards or whatever it may be.


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[Assistant] But it's the speed, the physicality, the acceleration, the quickness. He is a special ball hawking middle linebacker that I think will fit within that defense.


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[Assistant] Or getting off blocks or even avoiding like lead blockers and then getting around them to make the tackle. To me, he was just a little bit better than Devon Bush in that category. That's the, that's the separation, but both awesome players and Bronco should be happy to get Devon Bush.


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[Assistant] Yeah. The only thing I'll push back with, I think Jonah Williams is a guard all the way. I don't think he can play tackle in the NFL. I don't think he's a big enough...


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[Assistant] You know, to me, just the overall player itself, he's really good, don't get me wrong, but I didn't see a dominant


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[Assistant] And again, I always get to this, and I think a lot of teams have missed this at the tackle position. They get in love with the footwork aspect of these players. But I think the reason you've seen like the Germana Feddies and the Cedric Abuejiz not always work in the first round,


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[Assistant] He's got long arms. He does, yeaah. Which is always a positive for the tackle position too.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't think that's going to be it. I don't think, I don't think so. I don't know. I mean, to me it's three positions. This quarterback, it's offensive line, maybe a tackle, uh, or it's, they need somebody that's a difference maker on their front seven, too.


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[Assistant] I think this is where Rashaun Gary goes off the board. I'm gonna take Rashaun Gary, uh, from the University of Michigan, who, uh, to me is one of the better athletes in this whole draft.


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[Assistant] Well, extremely versatile. I mean, the guy ran four or five at two hundred and what? Seventy seven pounds. That's like insane and the freaking membrane to do that. And he's bendable. He's pliable. He could take on double teams. He can get off blocks. And again, this is where a little bit like at all over.


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[Assistant] But really the root of the problem was Rashon Gary. I think that's his value there. And I think that for, uh, Brian Flores, uh, defensive coach once again coming from New England, I think this could be his Trey Flowers type of player for this defense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they're looking for the versatility guy, the guy who can set the edge in the run game, be physical, dominate tight ends, dominate the strong side and tackle, and then...


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[Assistant] Uh, yes, to, to what, to my point, I do, I see Michael Bennett.


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[Assistant] Right? A guy that can be incredibly disruptive and then on situations where you go, ooh, they might pass. Let's get a nickel situation. He could play three technique and I think be a handful one on one for guards. I understand the concerns. I get that. And I know some teams are concerned the fact that he's, you know, bringing out his own agent label and all those types of things too. That doesn't necessarily help his luck.


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[Assistant] Of course not. You don't deserve your own logo until you get to like Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers status, then you can have a logo.


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[Assistant] Well, alright, the first round, we've already said it a few times, it's about special traits, eliteness. What do you bring to the table? And I think Daniel Jones, all the eliteness he brings is to the meeting room, not necessarily to the field. I don't see an above average NFL starting quarterback arm. He's a good athlete as far as when he has a straightaway lane to run, he's a good athlete, but I don't think he's


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[Assistant] I'm interested too with this Daniel Jones conversation because it has caught hype. I know also, I'll say this guys, I know people


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[Assistant] That's definitely what it is. That's the one thing that I, my friends tell me is he's killing the intangible stuff.


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[Assistant] That's when, to me, when you get into bust category, when you're not talking, the first thing out of your mouth is not talent on the field. I don't know how you guys feel about this, but it's just, when you're not talking about talent on the field, and the first thing you're talking about is the other stuff,


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[Assistant] Okay, is he as athletic as a Dillard or a Jawan Taylor? No. No, he's not. But he's still plenty athletic to stop any speed rusher that comes around the edge in the NFL. So for his little lack of maybe athleticism compared to the other guys, okay, it's a little less.


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[Assistant] But his ability to play power, I think, is way greater than the other guys. And again, I don't think he's gonna have any issue, whether it's Jadevion Clowney, Khalil Mack.


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[Assistant] I see Jason Peters, uh, I see a more athletic Trent Brown who just got the most money an offense lineman's ever got. I think this kid is a franchise left tackle who has no weakness. This is my guy to me right here.


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[Assistant] With good athletes, like I was capable of driving to the right. I'm a lefty. I could drive to the right in basketball. I could do it. I can do it. I could do it. Well, I could. Yes, I can. You better be worried about my right. He's going to be able to for a top tier big man dancing bear athlete for him to go this way.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's exactly right. I have a man crush on Dexter Lawrence. I do. I don't, again, you know.


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[Assistant] I've never seen, there's not too many people on planet earth.


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[Assistant] That are 6'4", 3'40", and can move with Dexter Lawrence. In fact, I'm pretty confident in saying it's like a list of three to four people on the whole planet. That's how athletic he is. Uh, I don't think I've ever seen a guy that size move the way Dexter Lawrence does. I mean, whether it's shuffling down the line of scrimmage, whether it's taking on double teams, you know, whether it's just pursuit of the quarterback. And we hear the common phrase so much, right? Push the pocket, right? How that's become so popular in the NFL.


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[Assistant] I don't know if there was anybody in the draft that pushed the pocket better. Only thing I'll question about this pick is how badly do they need the position?


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[Assistant] Okay, you know, maybe could go guard something like that. I don't think that's going to happen. Okay, I go defensive tackle, maybe another pass rusher on the edge. They're not going to go linebacker. Got Rashaun Evans last year in the first round. I can't imagine that happen. You know, Iraq pose not there anymore. Pretty stacked at corner as well.


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[Assistant] It's where positional need meets and who's available on the board to where I think it makes sense there. And Colell and Farrell, I do think, again, can fit within what the Dean Pease defense wants. You know, hey, Dean Pease came from Baltimore. You see Zedaria Smith, a Terrell Suggs type. Colell and Farrell could be that type of guy.


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[Assistant] Stand up 3-4 outside linebacker. Oh, we're going to the 4-3 defense here on this play. He could put his foot, you know, his hand down and come off the edge. But a really well-rounded football player. I did not think he was like a natural


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[Assistant] You can go, okay, he might not be a superstar, but he's gonna start for us for a long time in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this, you guys, I know, they're telling me, we gotta hurry up. I know, I know. But like, LJ Collier, I look at him as a guy that like, I go, ooh, he could be one of these guys just because of the position being overdrafted. Does he sneak in the first round? But okay, let's go on, next pick, sorry. I got a big mouth.


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[Assistant] 6-2 corner who runs 4-3-7. Not bad. Show me a lot of those in the world that are going around. And there are not a lot of them in the NFL or anything like that. So, I get it and I think Pittsburgh does have the need for the position as you mentioned. And Pittsburgh to, to, to, to my annoyance always, they've drafted cover guys in the past too much on tackling. Like, corners on, and I want to be like,


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[Assistant] Nobody's talking about Jalen Ramsey's tackling. We're not talking about Deon Sanders as a Hall of Fame corner, because did he tackle good enough? I didn't draft him for that, nor did I draft Darrell Reeves for that. So, to me, this guy is, got special movements, holds a little much. That's the only thing I looked at in his game. He got to improve that, but he is, uh, he's a big time specimen.


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[Assistant] But I do think some of the concerns that Thor brought up about just contact balance, catching the ball over the middle, those would be my concerns more than anything. That's where Hawkinson's, I think, separated himself. Hawkinson's like,


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[Assistant] Oh, there's nine people around me. I don't care. Knock my head off. I'm going to catch it. And, and that's what coaches want. Sorry. I mean, especially at the tight end position, they want that type of physicality. So I get it there. Uh, yeah, still a good pick though. He's certainly a special. Jared cook is who he kind of reminded me of. Okay.


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[Assistant] You know, running back, I think, for a difference maker.


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[Assistant] Uh, Josh Jacobs could be in this conversation here, but I think at the end of the day, let's not overthink this.


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[Assistant] D.K. Metcalf? Okay. I got scared because I remember you saying his name. I was like, wait, did he pick him? And I'm totally blanked out. But D.K. Metcalf. Baltimore Ravens wide receiver, uh, you know, the roster. There's nothing to hang your hat on there right now as far as that position. And again,


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[Assistant] I know Lamar Jackson's a work in progress at quarterback and accuracy. I think he can do it. And not that he has to be Tom Brady anyways, but DK Metcalf, let's not over evaluate this again. Here's a guy who was 228 pounds who runs four three. And yes, he ran three routes like you mentioned earlier in college. But again, I'm not going to overanalyze and go home. One of the greatest athletes we have in the draft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's getting an IV at every ha- at the halftime of every game, just like there is a number of receivers that have to do that in the NFL, because he's a- he's- he's freaky that way. He's a freak.


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[Assistant] If you made me watch film, there is times where I go, are they trying to win the game? Are they actually trying to get their best players the ball? Are they going, let's get our worst players the ball and just see what happens because that's what it looked like at times. And so that was hard to evaluate. It drove me crazy.


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[Assistant] I'll just push back with, I don't know the player and I don't know if the Raiders need a receiver at this point either. That would be just the other thing I would push back against. Uhm, you know, hey, there, there was, I checked the rule book, you know, they're, they could have gone defensive tackle too, but they have a few more picks. They could get another one. I mean, they could do, they could do a number of different things, but either way, I'm not in love with the key player.


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[Assistant] Selfie, eagle's fly, eagle's fly. Okay, uhm, you know what? I'm gonna go with the guy. His name's not even been mentioned yet. And the Eagles are in a kind of a spot where I thought about again, you could think Josh Jacobs. All right. Uhm, you certainly could do that. I thought about maybe corner. Could they go corner? Uh, I don't think so. I mean, they do have, you know, wealth of


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[Assistant] They do. They have Ronald Darby, who I think is a pretty good player. And they did draft the kid Sydney Jones in the second round a few years ago, who I would expect this is the year you see the real Sydney Jones year two after an Achilles tear. So, I mean, all those things have gone to my, gone through my mind.


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[Assistant] They have a tackle problem, I think. I mean, Jason Peters has been hurt. He's been, you know, the last two seasons been in and out of the lineup. For me, the next guy up, Greg Little.


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[Assistant] 35 and a quarter inch arms. I mean that is, that is prototype left tackle stuff. And maybe not as athletic as Dillard or Jawan Taylor, but not much less than


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[Assistant] But again, what I put stock in is the ability to handle the power rush.


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[Assistant] And he got to see it a lot in the SEC with NFL defensive ends and people who could rush the passer. And I thought his ability to either punch people and stop them in their tracks with those long arms and then anchor down and hold his ground against the power rush.


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[Assistant] I thought was very special. So to me, I think this is Greg Little, whether they want to put him at left tackle, uh, or maybe he sits the bench for a little, maybe he has to play guard for the year. Who knows what it might be. He might have to take Brandon Brooksbar early, but we're coming to the end of the Jason Peters career. It's gotta happen sometime.


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[Assistant] I'm a big tillery fan. I mean, he's disruptive as hell. I think he's only going to get better. He's only going to become a bigger, thicker guy as far as handling double teams and things like that. And I think the thing about like bad film and good film is a little overrated. His bad film. Okay. You know, I'll make this point for any defense in college football who like they do a lot of slants and stunts and things like that. Notre Dame does that.


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[Assistant] No, that's not realistic. Sometimes you gotta take into account what he's being asked to do and is it realistic to hold him that, hold that gap down. When he played straight forward, I thought he was very good and I'm a big fan of the player.


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[Assistant] You drafted a guy with a torn ACL, this is what we traded Khalil McIlwain for, all this kind of crap, so they might have to deal with that. But I think also, the Thor's point, Jeffrey Simmons, I think as healthy, is probably a way higher up on people's draft boards, a healthy Jeffrey Simmons, where they might be like, damn, we didn't think he'd be here at this point. Just based off his tape.


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[Assistant] I think this was a, this has been one of my complaints about the Los Angeles Chargers the last few years. You know, they're not real big at the linebacker position, uh, and then they haven't had


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[Assistant] Real great size in the interior defense line. Did you watch the, uhm, AFC divisional game against the New England Patriots? You know what they couldn't stop in that game?


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[Assistant] The run. I mean, every play was a hole that you and me could have ran through for five or six yards. So when I look at it from that aspect,


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[Assistant] 315 pound guy who moves around like he's 285 pounds. I'll say this, uh, overall extremely impressed with his athleticism.


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[Assistant] Two positions here for the Rams that just come to my mind right off the bat. Interior offense alignment. They need that. Or maybe a safety.


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[Assistant] Who weren't named Roger Saffold. He was really good. And now he's gone. He's gone. So there's an issue there. And Bradbury can play guard or center either way. But I was very impressed with Bradbury. I mean, Billy Price last year from Ohio State, you brought him up earlier. He was the 21st pick from the Cincinnati Bengals. Bradbury's better. And I think Bradbury's at least every bit as good. I really do. And I'm impressed with Bradbury, the athlete. And you get to see it against Dixter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins and a bunch of other players he played that are top notch football players to where


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[Assistant] They, for the first time in a while, they really do. You could go quarterback, wide receiver, that's still an issue. I'm not going to go either.


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[Assistant] But let's not forget, Brett Favre was dangling retirement out there like three years before that. So that's why they did it. I don't think the Packers are going to do that yet. The Chargers would be one of those teams that I would say watch out for. And if the Giants for somehow didn't take a quarterback at six or 17, I think this would be prime time for them to go, oh, okay, let's trade away our


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[Assistant] Can somebody in the back room count up how many offensive guys actually were drafted here? And then, because I would think, I would think it's, it's probably almost 22 to 10 or somewhere in that range, 20 to 12, uh, which very easily could happen. I mean, I think we could see runs of, of this with these defensive guys.


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[Assistant] Uh, the continuing embarrassment of listening to myself, but I do it to myself. So that's the way it is. I haven't seen you naked yet. Maybe one day if I'm lucky. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see what happens.


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[Assistant] We're at the Santa Anita Derby out in California. We've got the Arkansas Derby coming up this weekend. We've got NBA basketball preview on Roto World. We've got all that coming up this weekend. So we're both busy this weekend, but we carved out


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[Assistant] It's really good. No, but it's really good though. I don't think it's that good for you. Okay. Depending on the amount of butter. But most cookies aren't. But uhm, that's my favorite cookie. Alright, let's get into it. Alright, the mailbag, this is you took total control over this podcast. I have three pages here. We'll get through as many as we can in the hour that we have before you have to catch a flight first class over the South Bend.


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[Assistant] Alright, first one comes from Nettie87. Yep. Who was the smartest player you came up against that would be all over your play calls like a Luke Keakley type? Ooh, that's a great question by Nettie87.


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[Assistant] It should be, it's still okay. Right. It's like, depending on how you execute that play, they still might have trouble.


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[Assistant] And so they would pick up the play mostly you think from the formation.


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[Assistant] And some of it too is, is how easy is it to find some of these guys too? Cause every position is valuable, but some of you can find a guy more easily than other positions. Yes, yes.


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[Assistant] Uh, OFIRE, at OFIRE, says, kinda on the defensive front here as well, rank the top five defenses after free agency. Oh, here's a rank, that's gonna be tough to do. That's gonna be tough, uh, this is a famous, this is a famous,


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[Assistant] From what I'm hearing here, it's tough to, it's tough for any team to move into the top five with free agency alone. Like, if you were a top five defense last year, you have a good chance of being a good five defense against this year.


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[Assistant] Even though Nick Bosa would be entering into the most liberal football city in the NFL.


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[Assistant] It was out there before, it was out there before. I had heard that he had tweeted a lot about, you know, about Trump and was a Trump supporter and derogatory towards Colin Kaepernick and all that. So I had heard that stuff even before this.


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[Assistant] But it may be 20%, it may be 15%, and that would be, that'd be 10 guys still.


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[Assistant] I played high school quarterback for a few years. Honestly, the thing that scared me most going into the game, the thing I was most nervous about was the snap. I felt the snap is actually more difficult than I think most people realize.


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[Assistant] After seeing the Chargers get absolutely diced by the Patriots in the playoffs, do you think, uh, Gus Bradley or any other Seattle scheme defense, uh, will expand their ideology and add more schemes to the mix or just stay somewhat stubborn with their cover three, press, uh, press bail all the time?


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[Assistant] They're basically doing whatever they want to out there, making up the rules as they go, and yeaah, they're awesome. Uhm, so speaking of, you brought up Aaron Rodgers, the next one comes from Matthew Cole Webb.


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[Assistant] That says, uh, what will the Packers offense look like? Hackett made Bortles serviceable. Will he make Aaron Rodgers into football's Thanos? It's Thanos, right? It's not a big movie. Avengers. You gotta catch up on those, okay? I would need to watch them all. It's a culture thing. You gotta start watching.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright. He's the big like, big guy that's like a rock guy.


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[Assistant] They won the last one. The movies are done now. No, they're not. They beat them all. How are they going to come back?


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[Assistant] I do need to catch up on it because- It's worth it. It's worth it. It comes up in conversation and I'm totally lost.


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[Assistant] I love watching Aaron Rodgers play. It's addictive. He's so fun to watch play. It is fun. Create and you just feel like he can pull it off at any time. No doubt about it.


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[Assistant] What happens to the Oakland Athletics in the whole Kyler Murray situation? Does the MLB reward them because their first round pick backed out or is that pick lost forever? Actually, I do know the answer to this one. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, he was picked number 9 overall, by the A's. They thought when they picked him, when they picked Kylin Murray, I mean he hadn't started yet, for Oklahoma.


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[Assistant] They lose that number nine overall pick, which is super valuable. And they have rights to him though still, right? They do still have rights to him. So the signing bonus they partially paid to him.


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[Assistant] Uh, he has to pay back. He pays that back and gets none of the money. So the A's are out, no money. You know, they didn't lose money here.


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[Assistant] But they lost the number nine overall pick in baseball. Which is valuable. Which is valuable. And normally, you know, if you, if you pick a guy and he doesn't sign, you get that pick back the next year. Gotcha. You get that pick along with the pick that you get. Right. But if. Since he signed. Since he signed and then went and played football, you just, you get the money back and you don't get that pick back.


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[Assistant] He looked like just the highlights I've seen. Imagine a football team all of a sudden. You pick a top guy in the top ten and then he doesn't sign, and you get nothing for that. You just lose it.


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[Assistant] What is it? Isn't that crazy? Just lose the number one pick. Uhm, okay, this one is from Acoster Andy. This one you might have to jog your memory a little bit. Okay.


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[Assistant] He goes, what is your favorite NFL memory? Your favorite memory from the NFL? If you were to pinpoint one...


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[Assistant] Gosh, I got a lot. I mean, I do have a- I know, it's hard to put just one.


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[Assistant] No, that's good. So are either any of those plays, like if you had to pick like one of your favorite play that you made, you go back and you look back and you're like, oh my God, I love watching that play.


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[Assistant] Bench, the Wednesday after the game. The ship is jacked up. We need to pay for that. Uh, this one comes from, uh, a busy dad.


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[Assistant] 90% sure. 100% sure. About a government, inside government.


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[Assistant] What are the other conspiracies that, that are conspiracies out there and people think are crazy but you actually think have a legitimate?


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[Assistant] They're now recording this podcast. They're listening in on this podcast.


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[Assistant] Uh, this one is from Belfast. Pat's fan. Hello. Belfast? Belfast. Ireland? Ireland. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Capital. Uh, just wanted to say, I really enjoy the show. Thank you. That's it. That's why we put him in here. No, he has more. Uh, your breakdown of scouting each position and the small details you look for is great to hear. Okay, more compliments. Thank you.


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[Assistant] I could have edited that part out, but I kept that in there. You expand the knowledge for all of us. Oh my gosh, he's gushing. This guy's awesome. Please keep it up. Keep owning Florio on the need for a draft.


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[Assistant] Which I don't think is that crazy. You know, I mean, it would be pro player, right, if every player could negotiate his own deal. Seems like a mess every year, but.


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[Assistant] Belfast Pat's fan thinks he should keep going on it, so keep, keep, uh, keep doing that. Okay, this one's from, uh, Sapun Duda, who says, if we're gonna go down the path of Wilson being traded from the Seahawks, lot of chatter on that right now. You've chattered in on that, you've chimed in.


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[Assistant] Uh, what kind of an offer would it take from someone to go get him? And honestly, who would be able to pull it off? Right. So, so, let's give some background on this. Okay. So, Russell Wilson.


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[Assistant] We've kind of thought, you know, he is Seattle, and he's the quarterback, and they groomed him, and not a whole lot of people believed in him because he was shorter and smaller, but Seattle did. Boom, match made in heaven, he'll be a lifelong Seahawk guy, and then you kind of said, well hold on, pump the brakes on that a little bit.


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[Assistant] Although let's be honest, in college you could buy that stuff too because all these schools pay, you know, recruits to come to school.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ken Dugo says, or, uh, this is a quick baseball one. Yeah. As a diehard Yankees fan, what do you think of the season so far? Well, I mean, it's so-so so far. Not great.


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[Assistant] Although the home run thing, I don't give them a whole lot of credit for that because the Yankee Stadium is like a glorified wiffle ball. It is. It's kind of like the right field there. I could hit one out of right.


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[Assistant] Four-toe Steve. Hey! Four-toe Steve, I'm Zero Spleen Chris. Nice to meet you. That is true, right? We're all missing something. Have you gotten a chance to watch Easton Stick? If so, what are your thoughts? Keep killing it, homie.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'll be curious to hear your opinion after taking a deeper dive. Where did I get Nick Easton from? Is that the court? I've heard-


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[Assistant] Uh, this one's coming from KGauger99, and he says, I'd like to know what changed your opinion on Hopkins this past season. A year ago, he wasn't elite or in your top five, because he never got double teamed. Did he add something to his game, or something that you were previously missing before? And I'll answer this one for you.


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[Assistant] And if he is gonna come on the podcast again, he will be number one because we have to bump him up a little bit more. And so to get him on again, we'll put


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[Assistant] I've always thought that. If you're one of the top five at what you do. Yes. You should think you're number one. Right. Like why would you think anyone else is better than you if you're that elite?


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[Assistant] Uh, this one is, uh, it's 1-1. Says, who is the best backup quarterback in the history of the NFL? In the history of the NFL, I've got the answer to that.


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[Assistant] Backup quarterback, but maybe like a career backup. Yeaah, okay, career backup.


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[Assistant] Australia's kind of out on its own. Even from anywhere. To get to Australia from any part in the world, I don't know this for a fact, but I think it's like a 15 hour flight.


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[Assistant] Let's figure out a reason. There's gotta be a reason, right? There's gotta be someone who's out there or, or we wanna look at uh, rugby and uh, rugby players check themselves out.


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[Assistant] Put them through like an NFL combine type workout. Oh yeaah. The top rugby players in the world in Australia.


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[Assistant] And we put them through an NFL combine type workout and see how they compare. That would kind of be cool.


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[Assistant] Know one of my favorite movies of all? There's a movie I actually did see, Crocodile Dundee. Oh, it's a great one. Such a great movie. Classic. Oh my gosh. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I gotta go back and watch them. I really like those. Uh, okay, a couple more here because you got a flight to catch here soon. When do we need to get you out of here? We got a good 20 minutes. We're good. We're good.


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[Assistant] It's interesting, there's like a couple different, there's a type of coach, right? And there are these coaches that are position coaches that people say, oh, he can be a head coach one day. Right. And then there's the position coaches that are like, you know what, I don't think he can be a head coach, but he was really good being a position coach. If you were a head coach and you were building kind of a staff,


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[Assistant] Why is the quarterback having the ability to be an offensive coordinator on the field not something that is the most important trait when scouting quarterbacks? Who cares how hard someone throws when they don't know where to throw it? Reading a defense is the most important trait for the quarterbacks. This is the opinion of article 81.


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[Assistant] And it is hard, too. I mean, you don't want to judge and characterize a guy who might not seem like the smartest guy. Like you just mentioned with Gronk, right? Gronk is like, oh, you see football, but as a football savant, he's one of them. You know, he's a genius when it comes to...


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[Assistant] So that's what I was going to add. So are there any quarterbacks out there that kind of, people seem like, oh, he doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but like on the football field, it's like, oh my God, he sees stuff that no one else sees.


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[Assistant] A couple more here. Oddfellow, this is also about the quarterback, in scouting, if the issue of height with the quarterback is such a huge deal, because of them seeing over the big boys in the offensive line, why do scouts measure the standard height and not the distance of the eyes?


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[Assistant] Oh, that's an interesting point because that's true. Yea, Peyton Manning's definitely got a little extra room between the top of his eyes and the top of his head. Like if a giant forehead, right? You don't want a quarterback with a big forehead because their eyes are, that's a good point.


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[Assistant] But Kyler doesn't have a big forehead, so I think he's okay.


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[Assistant] How much more time? We're good, ten minutes. Okay, ten, we got ten minutes left. Yeaah. Cause I want to get this one. These are all really good questions. They are good questions. We should do the mail bag more often. Yeaah, I'm down for that.


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[Assistant] Very good. Big One says Tampa Bay has not sniffed the playoff since you left. I hope you can shed light on the culture of the franchise. No matter the coach, the outcome has been the same. So my question, what the F is wrong in Tampa Bay?


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[Assistant] It is always interesting though in football where they have the salary cap and it's supposed to be parity when you do have the extremes. I mean it's super interesting when the Patriots are able to dominate every year in the salary cap environment, but you wouldn't think it would happen, right? The game is designed with the salary caps and the floors and


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[Assistant] And everything, the game is designed to make the scheduled teams that finish lower, you know, have an easier row the next year.


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[Assistant] Couple teams trying to, uh, to put together some solid seasons. The Tennessee Titans. Yeaah. This one's from Alec Clyde.


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[Assistant] What's your take on the Titans' quarterbacks? Who will be the quarterback they keep long term? So you got, you got Marcus Mariota, you got Ryan Tannehill now. Yes sir, yep. Uhm, 1-1A maybe? I don't think that, you know, they're not fully committed to Marcus Mariota at this point going forward.


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[Assistant] The decision will be almost made for them. It seems inevitable. It does seem that way with these two guys. Who plays a little bit better and who's able to stay on the field longer.


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[Assistant] Uh, the Bengals, this one comes from Ethan Cup 513. What is the area of need for the Bengals? Big fan, keep up the good pods. Thanks buddy. Thanks man. So Bengals, when you take a look at the Bengals, what are their big, uh, their big needs you think?


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[Assistant] I think there are people who think the Bengals could be bottom five team in the NFL. Even with the weapons they have with Joe Mixon and Andy Dalton.


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[Assistant] And he'll be there at 11. People think 11th through 15th. A couple of those linebackers. The two Devons.


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[Assistant] This is it. This one's concerning your friend. Uh-uh. Uh, this one's from Stefan Pipes. I don't have any friends. Uhm, with Sean McVay not succeeding versus Bill Belichick in last year's Super Bowl. Oooh. And with what Kyle Shanahan did with the Falcons in the Super Bowl against him. Right. What does that tell us about McVay versus Shanahan, the rivalry?


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[Assistant] It's like the chest move, right? You're thinking like the move ahead of the move ahead of the move ahead.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, two of the best out there. Yes. You're, you're great as always. Uh, the mailbag questions were awesome.


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[Assistant] Thanks for partaking everybody. Thank you everyone doing that. So here's what we're going to show what we're up to this weekend because you have a plane to catch. I do. Coming up on Friday at the Rotoworld NBA Playoff Preview.


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[Assistant] We'll go look around the NBA, get your favorites, think about that because we'll probably talk about that. Okay, cool. You got the Notre Dame Blue Gold game. Yes, I am. Saturday afternoon. Saturday on NBCSN.


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[Assistant] And then stick around, just keep it on NBCSN all day because it's 7 o'clock Arkansas Derby. The final chance for all these horses to qualify for the Kentucky Derby.


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[Assistant] But I say tournament and people are like, why do you say tournament? I was like, isn't that the way it's spelled? And they're like, well, I say tournament. I was like, and I always would fight back and go, well, do you say tour de France? I don't know, that obviously doesn't make sense.


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[Assistant] Yep, yep, you can pull it off. You're coming? You wanna come over? I really do wanna come over. It's like truly like top of my bucket list, but no, I'm not coming this time. Maybe next year, I'll do it with you.


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[Assistant] Turd? You said turr. What are you doing? I will not include the D. Okay. Alright. Alright. What up everybody? Chris Simms on Button here. We got the final quarterback rankings. Number two, number one. Who will they be? I don't know. You'll find out soon.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, we're gonna get into that. All that's left is Mahomes and Rodgers. Rodgers and Mahomes. Two of my favorite quarterbacks in football. All of that. Again,


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of people talking about, you know, I have to go on radio stations here and there.


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[Assistant] What are you doing? How are you ranking this quarterback? Has it been an active make of defense? It's for the last two weeks. Yes. You know, and of course it all started with really the Tom Brady thing at nine. Yes. And I get that. And you know, again, to further the explanation of how you do these things. And again, I'm not all about stats and wins and losses. You know, the reason


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[Assistant] Guys like Mahomes and Rogers are at the top of my list is because in two very big categories, they are very good, which is taking, taking what's there to be had, okay, at the quarterback position. What is there to be had? Are you taking, making the most of those situations? I think both, both, both of these guys,


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[Assistant] You know, make the most of those situations consistently Sunday after Sunday. Now, some of those games you see Aaron Rodgers and you go, well, it doesn't look that good statistically. I'm just telling you, you gotta trust me on guy that's been around for a while in those games.


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[Assistant] He's still taking all this there to be had. There just ain't nothing there to be had sometimes. And they're so overmatched. And when you, you know, when I watch film of Aaron Rodgers and I'm watching a game in week seven, right? And I go,


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[Assistant] Hey, it's the second quarter and here's the fifth time I've seen this same play already. Okay, that doesn't go on with the other great offenses. And not only is it the fifth time I've seen the play in the first half of the game, but yet I saw the same play seven times the week before too. So, so the thing defenses aren't going to be all over those things. So what taking advantage of what's there to be had and then


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[Assistant] When nothing is there, what are you capable of doing? Those are very big to me. Yes, that's the quarterback position. All these guys at the top of the list are very smart. All time great quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Throughout our country has just become quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. If we win, it's because of the quarterback. If we lose, it's because of the quarterback. And I'm trying to hopefully squash that narrative a little bit to get back into this is the greatest team sport on the planet.


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[Assistant] And there's so many different variables, and so many things not only that go on with 22 different people on the football field, but schemes, matchups, the talent around you, the coaching staffs around you. All of that goes into this, and not everybody has an equal playing field there. So I'm trying to make it an equal playing field within these rankings. Like I would ask you this.


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[Assistant] Was John Elway not the best quarterback in 1983? Now, like to me, in 1983- His rookie season. No, this is last year in college football, when I believe they went 3-7 at Stanford.


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[Assistant] He's the best quarterback in college. He might not have had the best year to say, oh, he had the best year. Statistics on their team went 10-1. But regardless, he was the best quarterback.


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[Assistant] As in, he was the first pick of the draft. Teams didn't go, oh, I don't know. Yea, I don't know about him. I mean, oh.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. It was next level talent. Right. Now, Patrick Mahomes was on a five and seven team at Texas Tech his last year in college football. He wasn't the slam dunk. No, he was not. He was not. You're right. He was not the slam dunk.


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[Assistant] But still, certainly one of the best college quarterbacks in the nation that year, and I would argue the best, right? But again, he didn't have the best year, but it wasn't because of him, it was because


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[Assistant] Weapons around him, system, shitty ol' line, all those things. And this is what I'm hoping to kind of continue and further along this conversation all the time. And I just think too many times with these rankings we always just take it as a team and everything like that. And there's just more to it in the game than that. So I hope I explained myself a little there too again.


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[Assistant] Another thing, I just want to clarify this because I'm a Tom Brady fan and a Drew Brees fan. I got nothing personal against them. And at points of their career, they were certainly


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[Assistant] The guys like Rogers in my homes where I can go, oh no, they can carry the team when nothing's there.


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[Assistant] Brady and Breeze can make a throw where the guy's perfectly covered and they just put it on and then put them on it or, or they slide in the pocket and just hang in there, whatever it may be. But all I was trying to say is yes, at this point in their career, the system is helping them out every bit as much as they're helping the system. And I don't know if that's necessarily as true with the two guys we're going to talk about here in a minute.


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[Assistant] It was extremely difficult. Uhm, it was the first year that I've said, uh, in a long, long time, since really probably 2010, that I've gone, huh.


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[Assistant] I like it. This is a dedicated podcast listener. We need that right there. And that's cool. And I know we have a lot of people that are like that. So hopefully we can, uh, you know, give all the answers here and I can explain myself and cap this.


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[Assistant] This, uh, final 40 countdown off. Explain myself to thyself. To thyself, right. And scout, scout, we will self-scout thyself at the end of this as well. Got to get that in at some point. Yes, we do. Alright, number two. Number two. Alright, here we go. Number two, Kristen's top 40 quarterbacks in the NFL. Number two is...


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes. My homie, my homie, my homie. Whenever he's on, I watch my homie, my homie, my homie. Yeah, I love Patrick Mahomes.


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[Assistant] Certainly worthy of being the number two quarterback. Hey, I mean, you certainly can make the case that he could be number one. I get that. I mean, it was one of the most unbelievable first year as a starter NFL quarterback.


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[Assistant] That we've ever seen. It ranks up there, you know, with, with Dan Marino in 1984. That's how special of a year was. I mean, 5,000 yards, 50 touchdown passes. Are you kidding me? I mean, the sky's the limit.


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[Assistant] I do think that this is the guy that will overtake Rodgers eventually, uh, maybe it's this year to where he's the number one quarterback and could be the number one quarterback and go on like a, a Rodgers leg run where I go, no, he's the number one quarterback for like the next seven or eight years. He certainly has that type of talent, you know.


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[Assistant] He can attack the line of scrimmage and then throw the ball awkwardly, you know, outside another hole and, and be awesome that way. And then of course we know is scrambling and the things we saw last year, whether it's, you know, wheeling around against the 49ers or the throw we saw against the Baltimore Ravens to on the fourth and nine.


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[Assistant] Some of those special plays, I mean, that's Patrick Mahomes at his finest. And again, some of the plays he made last year, there's only a few players in the history of the league, I think.


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[Assistant] That can do what Patrick Mahomes did in some of those instances. Now, is he perfect? No.


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[Assistant] I do think he left some plays on the field last year. That's what's scary. I mean, and, and I, you know, we've heard him admit that. You know, go back.


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[Assistant] Watch early on in the first New England Patriots game. Watch some other games where he's missed some wide open receivers. Now, it doesn't get glorified all that much. Why? Well, because at the end of the day, their offense is so good, talent around them is so good that he got another, he got other cracks at it. I'll get another crack at Tyreek Hill 60 yards down the field and hit it next time. You know, and again,


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[Assistant] That's where I would argue like Aaron Rodgers didn't get that luxury all the time. And that's not a knock on Patrick Mahomes. Hey, Patrick Mahomes, the Kansas City Chiefs, this is not a knock on Mahomes or any other great quarterback because lots of great quarter, but the talent he has around him is towards the top of football. I mean, this is Patrick Mahomes got, you know, drafted by a playoff caliber football team and you know, the year


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[Assistant] Before, the number one rated quarterback in football before Patrick Mahomes took over was Alex Smith. Now you can see what a great quarterback can do as compared to a middle of the road quarterback. He almost doubled the production in all areas, right? I mean, it went from 25 or 26 touchdowns to 50 touchdown passes. And it changed the whole dynamic of the game and what they do.


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[Assistant] You know, I think ultimately what made me make him too, right, uh, uh, behind Rogers.


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[Assistant] That is really almost the experience thing and things like that where I just go, the talent, it's so close. They're both all time special arms. They're both all time scramblers, manipulating the pocket, throwing the ball from awkward angles. They're both good decision makers.


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[Assistant] Qualified as, oh, they're gunslingers, but they take care of the football. I mean, Aaron Rodgers got the greatest touchdown interception ratio.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. And, and, and, you know, I mean, for the most part, they really do. And, you know, Mahomes, again, there's so many special things he did last year.


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[Assistant] You know, I think, where I really got down into it and just went, okay, it's so close.


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[Assistant] All the top ten is nitpicky. It's little things of what separates one guy from the next.


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[Assistant] But really I did. I came down to it and I just said, you know, I looked at it and said, I think if Aaron Rogers is playing for the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship game, I don't think he would have been as fooled by some of the coverages in those games. And you know, maybe some of the other games of the Chargers the second time around or at Seattle Seahawks or the Patriots the first time around and all of that too.


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[Assistant] Really, probably just seeing the field at its best, okay? Just, there's moments where you go, oh, gosh, if he was just a little more comfortable in the offense.


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[Assistant] Rogers and Brady, if they ran that same play, they're on like the next level of that play to go, hey, we want to throw the curl here every time, but just beware if we get this coverage, that middle post might pop open. Those are little things Mahomes could get better at. And then even maybe a hair lazy. And he made a comment about this his last week in OTAs or minicams.


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[Assistant] Little lazy with mechanics, because what happens, and this happens to Rogers too, they're so special. Right? Right.


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[Assistant] His feet in that position, but he throws a strike in there. Yeah. So you're right. I mean, it's their gift. They're gifting the curse there a little bit with both of these guys. And you're right about my homes and hey, at the end of the day, the game is about


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[Assistant] You know, being able to make those plays under duress, unless you just have some unreal offensive line like, hey, maybe Andrew Luck.


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[Assistant] You know, he got a little of that luxury this year for the first time in his career, right, where he just, oh gosh, nobody's around me, look at this pocket, I can pat the ball and just kind of take my time.


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[Assistant] But the game is about junk and people around you and being able to make those throws. My thing is, when it's not like that, and what you're saying too,


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[Assistant] Is be true to the technique then, right? You won't miss any plays, you won't miss reads, you won't miss anything like that if the body's in proper position, because yea, even if you're in improper positions, it can mess up with what you're seeing with your eyes or anything like that. Oh, you drop back at the top of the drop and you think,


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[Assistant] And maybe you've looked down to peak at the rush or maybe, uh, okay, now you, your, your feet are all awkward and you go, oh gosh, somebody's open, but your feet are awkward and you can't find a way to get it out of your hand in time and you have to settle for another completion. Just examples of like that, that would say, gosh, if you could just clean that up, it could be scary how good.


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[Assistant] He could be, that offense could be, uh, and yes, he's just, gosh, he is so fun to watch. That's why I fell in love with him, you know, coming out of Texas Tech. I just saw these aspects of him to go, this is another level of quarterback and he's going to be able to do things we've never seen in a league before.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I mean, it definitely always comes into my realm of thought when I break all this down. I'm glad you brought this here because I wanted to go to this part of it too.


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[Assistant] He's really damn good. Now I don't think I'll call him the best. This is to me where the difference of the Andy Reid offense is. It's awesome, okay? I don't know if I'm going to quite put him in the class of, you know, McDaniels, Sean Payton.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, maybe McVeigh and Shanahan. I think maybe those guys I'm looking at. Let me just make sure I'm not missing anybody else, uh, that I want to make sure I hit on. While you're looking, I'm thinking of the hole like this.


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[Assistant] Yes, I getcha. Right, and that's where I was. So this is, this is where, this is a good, good question by you, because this, I do think this deserves to be talked about a little bit. Andy Reid, the system is really good, he's creative, he does different things.


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[Assistant] I do look at it as a different system than maybe a Breeze or a Brady, uh, or some of the other ones I talked about, McVeigh, Shenan, because this would be the difference to me.


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[Assistant] They attack schemes more. They basically crack the code to go, oh, you play this coverage? Well, I'm going to find a bunch of plays that are going to attack your rules and really make this coverage tough on you. Andy Reid doesn't necessarily do that. And not to say this is wrong, but I think Andy Reid's more approaches


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[Assistant] You know, we got these good players, we're gonna attack, we're gonna be aggressive with downfield throwing, and I'm gonna throw it a lot, right? Cause he's never been real consistent or patient with the run game. I'm gonna do that.


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[Assistant] As he, the optics of illusion before the snap, like you're saying.


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[Assistant] And the changing of looks. So he's not necessarily into like, I'm going to crack the code of this defense. He just goes,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna give this defense some different looks and we're gonna do what we do. And I think that'll be just another advantage we need.


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[Assistant] To get guys like Tyreek Hill and Sammy Watkins and Travis Kelsey open.


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[Assistant] So, it's not necessarily the attacking in this game, more of the, this is what we're gonna do, we're gonna throw a whole lot at you. I mean, at one play all four guys are gonna go vertical, the next time we're gonna have two guys crossing underneath and a guy running over post, and this,


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[Assistant] And then we're going to run that play later in the game, but we're going to fake the speed sweep to tie re-kill and then maybe fake the run and then it's going to be a guy running the post and the two crossovers. So he makes the defense go, Oh, well, okay. They ran that play. This can't be the same play. And then all of a sudden it is the same play.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. This is an issue with me right off the bat. And I hear this too much even from my coach friends in the NFL. Too much.