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[Assistant] Part of the reason why the Steelers wouldn't feel good about the win is because of the injury to TJ Watt. Had to leave the game there. Could be a significant injury, pectoral injury, but the other part is the offense wasn't all that great.


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[Assistant] I was looking at something here, Chris, it was uhm, they only converted a new set of downs 52% of the time. That was the lowest in football in week number one. So they just didn't move the chains all that often. And they, Minka Fitzpatrick almost single-handedly won this game for the Steelers.


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[Assistant] You mentioned that run by Chase Claypool, 12 yard rush, 21 miles per hour, the fastest ball carrier this week in the NFL. He was number one. We could see more of that if Najee Harris is out.


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[Assistant] They're going to get creative with that, that offense. You'd have to think. I would think so. You might get a few more, more carries in that offense. There, there were some things that happened for the Bengals here too that Zach Taylor is drawing criticism for. Yeah, go ahead. I think, well, this


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[Assistant] So there are a couple calls here. Let's go to the one with about three minutes to go. It was a pass down to the one yard line. I think we have a picture of it, Kristen, here, where Jamar Chase caught it. It was a big gain, 12 yards. They called him out at the one yard line. If you're watching here on YouTube, which by the way,


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[Assistant] We have over 50,000 subscribers. Well done homies. Wow. We do. We made it. Way to go. Good job.


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[Assistant] We did it. Uhm, but if you are watching on YouTube or Peacock, you see, uh, it looks like from that picture he's in, it looked like the replay he was in. They didn't challenge it. No. Uhm, part of me is like, okay.


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[Assistant] He said after the game, things are happening fast and it's first and goal from the one you figure, all right, we're going to be able to just punch it in there. You don't want to challenge something, lose one of your timeouts, end of the game, you're down. Maybe you'll need that later. I don't think that's as egregious. Now they ended up not scoring on that possession, but did later on in the game.


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[Assistant] Um, yeaah, he was out and so they had a little trouble, the snaps weren't coming in as fast, but I looked at that, um, that blocked extra point there and it was a slower snap, but if you look there, it's a Drew sample, 89 for the Bengals. Backup tight end. Backup tight end. He goes outside. He went outside. And lets Minka go inside. If he doesn't do that,


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[Assistant] And they're punning and they punted with about 15 seconds left on the game clock. I don't know if you saw that at the end of the game. And so it gave the Steelers an extra 15 seconds and they needed it all because their game winning field goal in overtime was with five seconds left. The team had already been lined up out there. This is another one of those two that I think


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[Assistant] We just saw what happened with the snaps, the high snap from the long center. You got a backup guy in there. They're running, they're all lined up, ready to go for Zach. He's just like, I don't want to mess with anything. Tell him to sit over the ball for an extra 15 seconds. And he snaps the ball over the punter's head. I could see that being part of the equation.


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[Assistant] We'll get to him in a second. We'll get to him in a second, but let's just go Justin Fields first because they won this game and he made a couple big plays. You know, he didn't look great. It was hard to look great in those conditions, but when they needed a big play, there were two quarterbacks in the game. One quarterback made those plays and it was Justin Fields.


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[Assistant] Yeah, both those touchdowns for Justin Fields on third down. Third and nine with a scramble to Pettis and then St. Brown third and two. Third and two points.


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[Assistant] With about 10 minutes left, Trey Lance had a chance to bring the 49ers back. He was picked off by Eddie Jackson, who was just reading his eyes on a third, third and five. Durr? Real problem for him.


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[Assistant] That's a different one. I don't know that. Hey Durr, tweet us back. Just be like, how do you say your name? Yeah. Or is that even your name? Beobachter. Beobachter.


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[Assistant] Because I'm still followed by a lot of 49er fans. I threw out a poll. I was like, how many starts does Jimmy Garoppolo get this season? And I went over under nine and a half. And what did we get? So it was overwhelmingly under nine and a half. It was 75% of the people thought that.


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[Assistant] And I just was like, I don't see any way, unless Tray Lance takes a huge leap here over the next couple of weeks.


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[Assistant] For the reasons that you mentioned. Yeaah. I mean, part of the calculus for making the trade and getting the rookie quarterback is that rookie contract. Cause you gotta, you know, get Nick Bosa and George Kittle extensions and Debo Samuel and you gotta keep all those guys around. So long term, you gotta have a rookie contract at quarterback.


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[Assistant] But for this year, you fit Jimmy G in. He took a pay cut. He's on the roster. I know. I know. And they have a Super Bowl winning team. Same things that you said there.


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[Assistant] 49ers hurt themselves with penalties too. They had 12 for 99 yards. The Bears just had three, none after halftime. So you were upset and disappointed for your friend Kyle. Yea, I was. But you were happy for yourself.


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[Assistant] I like where we're going with this. The Giants. Another comeback. They're in the comeback here for a while there. I was like, it's not gonna happen. They're the Giants. I've been watching the Lions my whole life. Teams that know how to lose, know how to lose. The G man. They pulled it out. Me and Morgan yesterday.


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[Assistant] It's very smart, very smart. Uh, the Giants did get the victory. 21-20 over the Titans. Took into the last second. I mean, it still looked like the Titans were going to pull it out. 47 yard field goal from Bullock. Yep. Missed it. Uh, game over. The Giants came back and it wasn't like they played a perfect game. Daniel Jones, an interception in the end zone.


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[Assistant] What's your feeling on the Giants, Brian Dayball's first game? What a great way to start.


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[Assistant] That was fun to watch, and not only did they go for two, but Saquon's effort.


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[Assistant] On that two point conversion. He was not gonna be denied. He was, I lowered the shoulder, kept going. It looked like he almost got facemasked too there. I think he did get facemasked. I thought so too. I said that in real time. I was like, he got a facemask. And he got in. And he, he refused to take no for an answer. And it was like, it was gritty. And you saw Brian Dayball after that interception that you mentioned in one bad spot for Jones. He was over there.


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[Assistant] And they showed it on TV on the broadcast. I mean, he was, he was giving it to him. He was not happy. No, no doubt about it. I mean, but they obviously have that relationship early on here where he's not, he's not scared to go toe to toe with his starting quarterback and make some big bets late in the game.


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[Assistant] So one of those games, even if the Titans would have won, we would have been talking about the Giants. We would have been talking about a lot of the same things there. I think so. Positive for the Giants, maybe some worrisome signs for the Titans we'll dive into, I'm sure as the week goes on. Now it is time, the first time of the 2022 season, it is damn okay.


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[Assistant] Looks like he could be Patrick Mahomes number one, but it looks like he might have, uh, eight other guys who he throws to quite a bit too.


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[Assistant] I think I saw, I was watching, it was like, uh, next gen stats had the Cardinals, they were down 37 to 7. And it gave them a 1% chance to win. I was like, no way. There's no way they have a 1% chance. There's no chance they win this game. Um, no, I mean, he was, he was awesome. It's interesting about


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[Assistant] It's like this idea of gravity, right? It's like the Chiefs feel like they have to feed Tyreek Hill. And part of it is because if you lose a game or if you have a bad offensive performance and you didn't really feature Tyreek Hill, you look like a bonehead. The pressure's on.


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[Assistant] We got great names from our homies here. Uh, Mahomes gonna set records again this year and was on fire yesterday. Is this the best team Mahomes has had since he has been starting?


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[Assistant] That's why I didn't pick them. I mean, they're a team that I would be like, alright, you got Kyler, you got some pieces here, I might get them to squeak in, but looking at their overall roster and the position groups, it's just like, there's not many that are even average.


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[Assistant] Who's got a lot of former teams now, you know, he can ball out against the Bears and be like, I have my former team. He did it against the Raiders. We're going to give the damn okay to the new charger, three sacks of force fumble, his second most sacks ever in a game.


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[Assistant] He did have five back with the Raiders in 2015. So they remember that game. They're like, oh, here's this guy again. We never should have traded them. The Chargers won a close game. Raiders kept it close. Give some credit to Derek Carr trying to get that relationship with Devante Adams right away. But, uh, the Chargers pulling out a close win, something that they haven't necessarily done in the past.


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[Assistant] Concerning, but he spread it around to Justin Herbert after that. So maybe the same thing you're talking about with Tyreek Hill. I think he had two or more targets to nine different players. Is that what I saw? Gerald Everett's talented. DeAndre Carter's a guy that's


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[Assistant] The one at the end of the first half, I think that was a huge turning point. One minute left in the half. Was that the Drew Tranquil one? Drew Tranquil got it, and then the Chargers still had to do some work, but 23 yard touchdown to Dandre Carter.


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[Assistant] If you were worried about how Derek Carr would team up with his old friend from college, Devontae Adams, 17 targets, 10 catches, 141 yards. He was targeted on 46% of his passes. So I was looking at the air yards.


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[Assistant] He had 58% of the air yards in the game. Intended air yards. Third most in the NFL behind AJ Brown, Justin Jefferson. Last year at 35% with Aaron Rodgers and we thought that was a lot. We thought he looked for him almost every other play.


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[Assistant] Um, tripod2x says, I thought the Derek Card Devonte Adams connection was going to be overblown. I was wrong. Yeah, no, it, it,


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[Assistant] Yeah, Pete confirms it is squoze. Squoze is the proper way to say it. Uh, yeah, and Hunter Renfro didn't even feature really in this game. Three catches, 21 yards. You figure he'll have some games where he will be like some of those guys that you mentioned.


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[Assistant] The Packers 23-7 dominating performance. We got a damn okay. Skull Freak wants to nominate Zedarius Smith. He goes, he got after Rodgers on a consistent basis. How about that play where he easily got past the guard, smashed AJ Dillon to the ground, got to


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[Assistant] And he said, he goes, I don't make the game plan basically. He said, you know, you know me, I would have loved to have been man up with him, but that just wasn't the game plan.


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[Assistant] You know, one person on this podcast has the Vikings as a playoff team.


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[Assistant] We'll get to the Cowboys, unfortunately, for Cowboy fans out there real quickly. We don't always do this, but we're going to make an exception. We're going to talk about the Thursday game. Oh, good. I like it. Because, uh, because it was too big not to talk about. Bills beat the Rams way back in the day. Seems like forever ago. 31 to 10 was the final score. Our damn okay goes to Von Miller in that one. Two sacks, three tackles for a loss.


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[Assistant] That defensive line might have been one of the main questions for you. Yes. Of the Bills. Right. It's like you, you thought that they got everything. Is that defensive line going to be good enough to pressure the quarterback?


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[Assistant] Who, there was the talk of all off season was his arm, his elbow, he's got an injury that pitchers have, and I'm like, well that's not good. I know. When pitchers have an elbow injury, it's really bad. Right. They miss a whole year. Yes. Uhm, did his throwing look different to you? It didn't look different. It didn't. A couple times it looked like maybe he was going more over the top, but he has been known to, his arm is wherever it needs to be.


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[Assistant] What is any team without their starting quarterback and a good starting quarterback but the Rams who defensively did not look good in this game against the Bills who are going to do that to some other teams out there.


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[Assistant] And their performance of beating one of the best franchises ever in sports, the Detroit Lions, yesterday only goes to prove that. The Eagles win only by three.


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[Assistant] Uh, targeted him to Jalen Hurts, 10 catches, 155 yards. He was targeted on 41% of Jalen Hurts' passes. Now going against the, uh, the Lions whose secondary has been not very good for a long time here, uh, caveat there, but, uh, he looked very comfortable with Jalen Hurts.


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[Assistant] One of our homies that comments in all the time, Adam Blackall, said, I'm strapped in for a three hour pod after all these bonker games. Sorry, Ahmed. Liga will just have to wait. Man, he really does listen.


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[Assistant] One of the top wide receivers in the game when healthy. You can say the same thing about Tyreek Hill. New team with the Miami Dolphins pairing up with, uh,


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[Assistant] Third and long, and the Patriots did not call timeout because you thought maybe, oh, maybe they'll want to call timeout to preserve some time to go down and score.


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[Assistant] Uh, they don't have that kind of faith in their offense and clearly Mike McDaniel does with that long touchdown to Jaylen Waddle. And I think that's the thing for the Patriots and there's going to be a lot of talk about.


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[Assistant] See, this is what? What were they doing? Matt, Patricia, Joe, Judge, and I think that's fair, right? I mean, a lot of times you give Bill Belichick the benefit of the doubt just because of all he's accomplished here, but, but it seems weird, but it is weird. It wasn't like, I mean, you look at what they have, they don't, this is not a big playoff offense, even with Josh McDaniel, right? They wouldn't be a big playoff.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mack Jones hurt at the end of the game, didn't talk to the media, back injury, but.


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[Assistant] I think there have been some reports that say he's gonna be okay. Um, so we'll, we'll, we'll see something to watch there. Fatboy MFC says, cannot wait for Chris to watch the Tua film. Dolphins were up despite Tua, not because of him. Oh, he's not a member of Tuanon. Uh oh, he wants you to hammer more Tua.


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[Assistant] Goes to really us when we saw the schedule. We go, Hey, our first Sunday night game is Tom Brady and the Buccaneers versus.


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[Assistant] On paper, we got the best game of the day. In reality, maybe we got the worst game of the day. We did. That really was not a good game for either team. Uh, Chris Collinsworth's voice didn't even show up. I'm like, I'm not coming to this game. This game sucks. Uh, so, but the Buccaneers did win 19-3.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're gonna give the damn okay though to Julio Jones, who looked back and fast again, the next gen stats back that up as well. He's one of the fastest players, uh, ball carriers of this past week. And, uh, Shaq Mason, we give it to on that offensive line. Yes. Luke, go to key, go decky, go to key. I think it's go to key. I think it sounds like that's


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[Assistant] Not that, I know that. Should be Gideki, right? Seems like it. Gotiki seems like you're messing it up. Yeah. Uh, we'll have to talk to him about that. Robert Hainsey also, uh, first career starts. They rush for 152 yards. I mean, we could have given it to Leonard Fornette.


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[Assistant] Although it wasn't a great, they had a lot of red zone failures, they got to the red zone quite a bit. They dominated this game. Dominated.


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[Assistant] They did not need a comeback. They were up for basically this whole, whole entire game. There were some teams though that did need the comeback.


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[Assistant] And one of those teams was the New Orleans Saints. The media's most wanted wants to give a damn okay to Jamis Winston because he had the largest comeback victory in Saints history. All he had to do was play the Atlanta Falcons. But isn't that crazy? It happens all the time. 26 to 10 with 12 minutes left.


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[Assistant] Great comeback win by the Saints. Winning by a point, Will Lutz is back, uh, 27-26 over the Falcons. I think, Kristen, do we have the numbers for Jameis Winston in the fourth quarter? Yeaah, so first three quarters wasn't great. 10 of 18, 56 yards.


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[Assistant] Fourth quarter, 13 of 16, 213 and two touchdowns. So the, the Falcons collapsed, but Jamis had a whole lot to do with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Cordero Patterson, 120 yards. You got Mariota, who looked pretty good for most of this game. So Hawkstrologer wants to know if you're ready to self-scout yourself on the Falcons. They came out looking better than expected despite the loss.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we have Wednesday. We got Wednesday. We're on our tooth. We're two 30 in right now. There was a


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[Assistant] Okay, alright, uhm, there was no game that was closer than the Colton Texans that ended


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[Assistant] Tied 2020. We got our first tie of the year happened week one.


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[Assistant] And he had two teams play each other. How crazy is that? So maybe, I mean, they're, they're atop the division with that tie.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, Colts, maybe a little disappointing, the beginning of the Matt Ryan era, although he did throw for 352 yards, threw the ball 50 times. Uhm, I don't know what to ma- I don't know what to make of this game.


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[Assistant] I felt bad, Alec Pierce and Christian Watson. Two guys you like. One was not good.


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[Assistant] Second, uh, stint as a starter. Last season, six starts, 250 yards per game, had 240 in this game, two touchdowns. There are some throws where he looks pretty good.


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[Assistant] Not changing your opinion about either team there really. Maybe you're changing your opinion though about the Washington commanders who got the comeback win against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Another comeback on a crazy week one.


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[Assistant] Hunter Hyde 12 wants to talk about Carson Wentz. He honestly thought he was done, but he surprised me. Let's see if he can keep it up now. Yes, well. He's challenging.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it wasn't, it wasn't great. There were some, they did move the ball. I think there were times where they moved the ball pretty well. And Trayvon Walker got a, what, a pick in his first game as the number one pick.


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[Assistant] Two more games to go, and we're gonna put on our newspaper hats for this one, the press hat. It is time for Give Me the Headlines presented by Hyundai.


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[Assistant] So this is where we make Chris be the, you're like the main editor, what, managing editor of a newspaper? Yeah, right. Uh, and you've gotta come up with a headline, but you have someone in your back pocket who just gives you the headline and his name is Pete. That's what happens when you show up late to your own pocket.


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[Assistant] It looked like Baker Mayfield was going to get revenge against his old team, but then the Browns came back late and Cade York, 58 yard field goal to win it. What's your headline?


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[Assistant] The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker. The candlestick maker, that's what it is. Okay. You can tell that, uh, Pete has young kids. Yeah, apparently.


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[Assistant] Yeah, very good. Yeah, I mean, this one, we could go for an hour on this game probably with all the different things. Cleveland ran the ball, again. Yes. Like we, like, new quarterback.


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[Assistant] But, uh, but the Panthers got what they did not have last year and big playability. Robbie Anderson with one. So I don't know. Is this another one of those games where both teams walk away? Yeah, you're, if they did the Panthers, you had that game one, but you probably feel.


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[Assistant] The referee did get on the microphone and said, cause they talked about it for a long time, and he goes, the quarterback fake spiked it and then spiked it. No penalty. It's a penalty.


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[Assistant] Alright, maybe that's one of our deep dive games on Wednesday. Graham Bailey says, uh, Kade York, that is why you take a kicker in round four. Does Chris think this could become a trend? By the way, that 58-yard field goal could have been good from like another, like, top


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[Assistant] Uh, Pete has given us the pool reporter conversation with the referee after the game. The reporter asked about what about the fake spike and...


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[Assistant] The referee Rogers said, after discussion, we determined that stepping back does not disqualify the quarterback from spiking the ball and we had allowed him to do that by rule. And the reporter goes, did he step back? And the referee goes, yeah, his right foot step back. So whether he's not really addressing whether the, his arm kind of faked a spike there. He just saying he just, it was a step back and I don't know. I like, yeah.


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[Assistant] Ravens are tough to beat whenever Lamar Jackson is on the field. Final game to talk about, the Ravens beat the Jets. 24. What was the final score? 24 to 9. Jets got 9. And they were kind of in it for a little bit there. Not a great game. There were some big plays for the Ravens. What's your headline on this one?


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[Assistant] Daniel Kunamoto says Lamar Jackson with all the pressure from the contract started off slow, but had one hell of a game. So he agrees with you and Wilson 2X is a Jets fan that wanted a silver lining. He said damn okay for that Jets defense. They did look incredible at the first half, did great to contain Lamar, went downhill after that busted coverage by Joyner.


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[Assistant] Um, but not bad. Still not bad for the Jets. Maybe some positives there and get Zach Wilson back. Maybe you got something going.


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[Assistant] So there's your silver lining for Jets fans. Your defense was not the problem, but you still had problems.


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[Assistant] That right there was a little segment called give me the headlines presented by Hyundai.


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[Assistant] I think we're about the hour 45 range at this point. Uh, one more thing before we go. Your thoughts on the Monday night game, the last one.


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[Assistant] Uh, and by the way, the Seahawks, they're in first place right now. Woo! In the NFC West. Bam! Here we thought it was going to be the best division in football and the Seahawks are atop. I mean, they are. Man, look at them. First place. Let's end the season now and they're in the playoffs. Seahawks, uh,


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[Assistant] Twitter saying, Oh, hey, here we are. Yeah. Quick get that out there before they play the Denver Broncos who you have picked to win this game 21 17.


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[Assistant] Let's ride against the victory over Go Hawks. The Russell Wilson Bowl. Alright, that's it. We did it. That was fun. That was a great first week.


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[Assistant] Great first week. And we saved some stuff for Wednesday.


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[Assistant] I love it. Der tweeted us. So Pete reached out. It's German, right? It's German. I figured it was. For The Spectator. So he goes, you can just call me The Spectator. The Spectator.


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[Assistant] He's from Munich. He's a listener in Germany. And by the way, we are, we are a listener in, uh, in England as well. Some of, uh, um,


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[Assistant] Hobbit is someone who tweets us all the time. And so she said, uh, any chance you could say anything about, uh, about the queen passing, which I know was very impactful over there. And you know, she, from everything you hear, it's like she was into horse racing. And so I do that a whole lot and has a lot of connections with her. Just such a genuinely nice person dedicated to service over there. So everyone in England, uh, we tip our cap to you.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh, we almost forgot. We almost fumbled at the one.


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[Assistant] I had to go see my teachers for my son and, uh, daughter. So yeaah. Met them. Raced over here. You were out hanging out with Josh Allen yesterday. You ditched me. I ditched you. Got on a plane.


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[Assistant] So you're gonna go green in the comfort of your own home. I am.


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[Assistant] Uh, so yes, we do have a lot to talk about, including your trip to Buffalo. And I want to get into that right now because we have one question. We're not going to, the whole podcast is going to come out because you talked to Josh Allen. But Mike Reed says, where'd you get your wings from? And please say,


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[Assistant] It's an interview that you're not gonna hear the answers anywhere else.


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[Assistant] Step up NFL. Get some of these preseason games out of there. Get the joint practices in there. Fill up the stadium.


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[Assistant] I've seen the clips and they trickle out, but you're right, I need to see the whole episode. You do. I will.


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[Assistant] Eventually I will, maybe I'll binge him all together, but you can see why, yea, you can see why his players like him. He's like a real dude. No doubt about it. Sometimes you would think that, like, aw, all this kneecap stuff. If the guy's genuine, and that's really how he is, and that's how he acts and talks and behaves, then it works. It does work.


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[Assistant] By not being there 100% of the time, Aaron Rodgers for OTAs set this team back. They're gonna start slow.


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[Assistant] I think I heard the point. Exactly right. Uhm, you know who else loves Aaron Rodgers besides you? Sammy Watkins, apparently.


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[Assistant] Uh, who made some waves and the headline is out there. He's talking about his former quarterback and his current quarterback here. He says Pat, as in Patrick Mahomes, I don't know if our homie saw this one out there, is incredibly good. But A-Rod is on a whole other level. Right. Woah. And we heard this from Tyreek Hill too, right? Didn't he?


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[Assistant] And who knows, I mean players are talking all the time, they're answering questions quite a bit, and I've done this in the past too, and I kinda had to learn this as well, because I feel like that is the default.


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[Assistant] You want to praise something currently, it almost puts down things in the past, like there have been times where I've wanted to say, like, oh, this is the best crew I've been a part of, but inherently that kind of puts down all the other crews that I've worked with. And so you're right, you do have to kind of make that mental note of when you're talking positively about someone, just make it about them. I feel like this is a great crew to work with, I'm having so much fun, this is special.


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[Assistant] I mean I don't look at stats personally, but you can if you want to.


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[Assistant] Since 2018. Yep. 8 wins for Patrick, just 2 for Aaron. Right. Uh, the completion percentage. Hey, Aaron's got him in completion percentage. Right. 69%. Uh, that's about it.


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[Assistant] And if he was sitting here, if he was sitting here right now, after all that, he would have been like, I don't know why I said that. I regret everything. I think he would. I think he would. He would have no response to that. He would have no response to that.


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[Assistant] What about this, what about this story? Jarmander37 wants to know, would it bother some Bucs players that Brady took vacation in the middle of preseason?


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[Assistant] No, I don't think it would. And it's not a vacation. He was away for personal reasons. We don't know exactly why, but it seems serious enough for him to be gone for that.


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[Assistant] Uh, you say you can't tell us. Yeah. What, but just kinda wink. Was it the Masked Singer? Was it the, uh, what?


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[Assistant] It was a personal issue. We can debunk that. We can debunk that. All right. Breaking news, Brady will start the preseason finale Sunday versus the Colts. So we'll be out there one last time before the regular season gets going. Last time we did the Ask Me Anything, we had some Ravens questions.


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[Assistant] Alright, while we're talking about offensive line here, Pete with a great transition to, uh, breaking news, not breaking news, but we heard about it earlier. Tyrone Smith for the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. Hamstring injuries, pretty bad hamstring injuries.


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[Assistant] It was yes, like you mentioned, an avulsion fracture of the knee, the hamstring tendon that sits at the back of the knee pulled off the bone.


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[Assistant] Need surgery sources say. He's a beat up individual. December, if he's back at all. So that's a bummer for him and the Dallas Cowboys. It was a bummer for Ravens fans last time that we really didn't talk a whole lot about them. You wanted to at the end of the podcast, but we had already been going for two hours and 72 minutes.


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[Assistant] And Kristen said she had to eat. She hadn't eaten all day. Uhm, so here we are, we got the Ravens, before we get into the top five rosters, which I feel like we should do pretty quickly here.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ravens, there's a lot going on with the Ravens right now. And the homies want to know a lot of different things. One was on Isaiah Likely. We'll get into that in a second because a lot of people are talking about him. I saw in your mentions, there are a lot of mentions about him, but Jeff Rowan wants to know.


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[Assistant] We had a good connection with Mark Andrews last year, past couple years here, good tight end of the league.


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[Assistant] But maybe I'll have that same connection with Isiah Likely, their draft pick out of Coastal Carolina. What was he, a fourth round pick or something like that? I think it was our, what, number three tight end in the, uh, the draft process, right? UM palette 46 says Isiah Likely and Mark Andrews two tight end set for the Ravens. 2019 vibes with Hayden Hurst, question mark? Well, yeah, I mean, this, this is, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't- I'm trying to get the exact quote here, but he said, uh, he was talking over on ESPN about he can be the greatest player in the history of the game, but I think he was knocking-


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[Assistant] Uhm, the scheme. And they gotta lean into it. The Greg Roman scheme here. Uhm, so Swish B asks you, Chris, did you see Steve Young's comment about Lamar Jackson and the Greg Roman offense? Me and Steve have some of the same complaints that the passing concepts are too basic and predictable. I'd love to get your thoughts on the passing attack.


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[Assistant] Or wouldn't dare, too, right? You say protect your quarterback Lamar Jackson even though he's built like an adonis.


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[Assistant] Questions is not actually from Twitter, it's from one of our friends here, one of our coworkers at NBC, Jim Thompson, great.


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[Assistant] Homie listener. He really is. He was constantly asking me questions. Yea, and he was mad that we didn't talk about the Patriots that much on Monday's pod. Right.


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[Assistant] He wants to know how is the Patriots offensive play calling going to work? Belichick? Is it a committee? Can a committee even work? And why are they being so weird about it?


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[Assistant] Weird was my- that wasn't him. We're not gonna put that on Jim, I'm asking that. Okay, why is it so weird?


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[Assistant] Could've got the live reaction. What if we did that? Pete, what if we just did this live? Could we ever do that? Just do it live and just let it go?


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[Assistant] Yep. Why not, right? I guess we could. No editing, Kristen, we just put it out there live. Are we editing that? Oh, that's right, we still edit out your... My cusses? Your cusses. Me.


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[Assistant] Been saying, uh, this since the draft, but was Sauce really the right pick for Seattle, for the Seattle 3? He is uber talented and would make sense in a man heavy scheme, but that pick could also signify adjustments being made in the scheme.


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[Assistant] You were not as high on Garrett Wilson either. At least not as high as most people in the draft. Although you do like what you see and he's very athletic out there. Danny Wilson says he loves the pod. I know you have changed a couple of your pre-draft opinions on some of the rookies after seeing them some more. So I was just wondering if you have changed your view on Garrett Wilson at all.


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[Assistant] 49er fans got the last two rapid fire for you. Matt Reisner says love the pod.


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[Assistant] Seems like they want to move on to Trey Lance, still keep some leverage in getting as much as they can for Jimmy Garoppolo. Bern Yuna asks you, why does Trey Lance's ball placement get scrutinized much more than a quarterback with a good throwing motion who misses often?


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[Assistant] No, totally, totally. And for, for Trey Lance, the concerning thing is that you hear some of the reports from the beat writers there watching practices hasn't looked great, but Junior Chow 13 wants to know, you were drafted by a team with an all time defense. How was practicing against them every day?


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[Assistant] Magic transition right there. Uhm, alright, so let's get into it. Yeaah. I did ten.


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[Assistant] Chris did, took a half day and only did five. That's okay though. Um, so we went through, here's the, here's the exercise. And I liked doing this a lot because I checked in with a lot of sources. I looked over at Pro Football Focus too, from talking to you all the time.


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[Assistant] I just tried to isolate these rosters away from the quarterback. So I tried to become you. It's fun.


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[Assistant] Yes, this is a good conversation, a good exercise. So what this is is the roster, the talent on the roster minus the quarterback. That's all we're looking at right now. That's all we're looking at.


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[Assistant] That does make sense because we don't want to give away anything right now because people might think we have a team at number one where we don't even have them in the top ten. It could be shocking like that. Uh, so let's start, let's start with you. Yeah. Your first, uh, number five. And how difficult was separating five from the rest of them?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you talked to close personal friend, friend of the podcast. I had the Ravens in the honorable mention category outside of even my top 10, which speaks to how many deep teams there are. I did try to bias towards, like you said, the big guys, the good defensive lines, the good offensive lines.


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[Assistant] Uhm. It's hard. The receiver thing scared you probably with the ravens, right? Look at that. There were some holes that just...


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[Assistant] You know, some of these teams are average-ish, you know, top 10-ish in a lot more categories than the Ravens. You're right. Like wide receiver was one of those dark spots.


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[Assistant] I think that's why it's good and why you have a good perspective with this because you're going to be able to project a little bit more. I'm looking at what's on paper, maybe what they did last year, what they signed in the off season. And what I, what I do think for you in these exercises where we both do a top five.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, talent all over the defense. Demario Davis has been locking down that defense as a linebacker for a long time. Pete Warner had a good year last year out of Ohio State. He got the DBs now with Marshawn Latimore. Tyron Matthew comes over.


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[Assistant] Onyamada, David Onyamada. Yes. Yes. Right. And then I still think Elvin Kamara, top 10-ish, running back. Sure. Mark Ingram. Right. And they got some talent in the wide receiver room. They do. You said Chris Olavi, Michael Thomas, we'll see if he can come back healthy and Jarvis Landry. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You say you're not mad at me for that one. I feel like there might be a team in here that you are mad at me for. Alright, well probably, yes.


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[Assistant] Improved maybe year, this year for him. Right. Teaming up with.


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[Assistant] Say he's the best tight end weapon in all of football. Probably that is the case. So they were just outside my, uh, my top five.


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[Assistant] For me, I could have had him higher. Alright. Because like you meant, like on defense, there's not a below average group. Like linebackers, defensive line, secondary, all average or above average, right? Yep. Could have the best offensive line in football.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of things I like about their team. But you mentioned Slay and Bradbury too. Not a whole lot of teams have two shut down corners. Pretty damn good there. I definitely could have had the Eagles.


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[Assistant] The Green Bay Packers. The Green Bay Packers are number three. Yup. Okay. Uhm. I don't agree with that, but. I know. But hear me out. Yeah, sure. They got studs all over defense. You got Rashawn Gary had a great year last year. Yes. Kenny Clark. You got some rookies that you liked. And Quay Walker. Devonte Wyatt. Right. Beast. Outta Georgia. Right.


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[Assistant] Devondre Campbell was an all-pro last year. Maybe you're not sold on him. Kinda came out of nowhere. Pro football focus.


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[Assistant] If he can back that up, or come close to something like that, then they got something. I mean yea, if a secondary that was good last year even without


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[Assistant] Maybe top 5? Yea, I probably wouldn't go that high, but yea. Top 10-ish? Yea, exactly right for me. There you go. And running back the combo of Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon.


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[Assistant] Top five-ish maybe for a combo in football. I mean the wide receivers unproven, that might be the only weak group that they have, but it just seemed like they were above average in my, in my opinion and what I've seen out there.


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[Assistant] I mean what was obvious to me when looking at it though too is that the defense really could carry them.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's good. That's good. That's good to hear. Alright, we're into the top two now. Yep. Your number two roster in the NFL, non-quarterback.


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[Assistant] If they, if they hadn't had injuries, would they be number one for you or would...


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[Assistant] I preach into the choir because I had them number one. They're my number one roster in all of football. So the Bucs are my number one. The only other one you don't know for me is number two who is not in your top five.


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[Assistant] Who knows how close they were. Number two for me, after looking at it, was the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland Browns. I know how much you like Nick Chubb, so let's start an offense there. Best running back combo in the league, perhaps. I think so.


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[Assistant] Defensive line, and so that was solid. And then on defense, he just got studs everywhere, right? Defensive backs with Denzel Ward and John Johnson at safety. Newsome. Newsome, like the young up and coming guys for them in the defensive secondary. Elusa Koromoa, Delpic, Greedy Williams.


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[Assistant] J-O-K, and then you got Myles Garrett. We haven't even mentioned him yet. I know. We'll see what we get from him. That's what scares me.


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[Assistant] We, what else did we agree on? Bucks were in the top two. Right.


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[Assistant] And that was about it. Well, Eagles, do we have, do you have Eagles? I had Eagles at 8. 8, okay. I'll give you my top 10. Yea, go ahead, let me hear it. So, I had 6, I had Rams, Rams were 6, Chargers 7.


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[Assistant] That's what scares me. Chargers got some names too out there in LA with Khalil Mack now and J.C. Jackson. They had to be in your honorable mention.


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[Assistant] Quiet concert says, do you think the Bills roster is now on the level with the elite rosters in the NFL, or do you still think they're gonna be carried by Josh Allen too much? So by our rankings...


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[Assistant] You see that they are not amongst the elite. I had them at 10.


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[Assistant] Let me throw two more names in there of teams just so we don't get yelled at by fans of those teams and I want to see if you think they're in the discussion for honorable mention here. Colts and Broncos.


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[Assistant] We will continue to read this until we're getting there.


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[Assistant] I feel like I'm gonna only do this probably for another month and a half maybe.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Cause you can kinda see the browns even though, I think Packers...


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[Assistant] I can just picture John Dorsey like Thanos talking to a little one like Baker Meadfield. Okay little one, you want me to get you more toys to play with? I will get you Odell Beckham Jr. in our takeover of the world. I believe Lindon Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Yo, yo, what up? We're back, Chris Sims, Unbuttoned Podcasts, and I got my old buddy, ol' pal, Paulie Bemeister. I can't help it, sorry, I gotta say. Works for me. You know, but, uh, hey.


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[Assistant] Subscribe to the Chris Sims podcast, unbuttoned podcast, you know, YouTube slash NBC Sports, okay? You can find it anywhere you download your podcast, but...


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[Assistant] Kind of a big day. How about that? Feel a few little things to talk about in the news. Yeaah. And I was just explaining to Paul here, okay? Cause he's getting up there. First of all, we gotta say, Paul just turned 48. You're old, Paul. You're old. Inevitable now. There's no way around it. I have to have fun with you.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine. I'm getting there to the 40 age and I'm like, I'm 38. I'll be 39 in August, but I still can't believe I'm getting to that number. I mean, that's one of those numbers where it's like, I remember my dad turning that age and I thought he was old then.


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[Assistant] Uh, 40 is great, you'll love it. But 48, I was explaining to our 48 year old man here about Thanos and the Avengers, right? So you gotta see that. I know. First of all, I mean, this guy beats up Hulk, he does everything, but he changes the world. And that's what John Dorsey's doing, of course, with the Cleveland Browns and the New York Giants. And that was, uh,


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[Assistant] I was getting ready to eat dinner, okay, and I literally, I got hamburgers and salad in front of me, I got a group text from Pro Football Talk, cause we get, you know, we got the rundown coming, and I see,


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[Assistant] Okay, thank you, first curse of the day. Alright, and then, uh, then I saw, you know, Giants trade Odell to the Cleveland Browns from stats, and I wrote,


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[Assistant] Stop, stop. I wrote stop. And then I wrote, are you effing with me? Okay. And then of course I went online and started looking and I was like, oh my gosh, this is real. And I was in shock. And then they yelled for my little boy, who is a huge Giants fan and a huge Odell Beckham Jr. fan. And he was like, what? Why would the Giants do that? And then immediately, dad,


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[Assistant] I think I'm gonna root for the Cleveland Browns this year. So Phil Simms, the other Phil Simms is a Browns fan now. What was your immediate reaction? Like, okay, I get it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think they kind of felt that way. I'm sure, listen, the Giants, you know the organization a little bit just from following football. We both know people involved and everything like that. It's an old school organization.


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[Assistant] They usually are not all about the outspoken, crazy type of player that Odell Beckham Jr. is or perceived to be. So I always wondered, ooh, are they gonna stay?


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[Assistant] Where I just thought, ooh, I don't know if that's a giant cup of tea. And then at the same time, when you listen to the answers that Odell has said publicly and things like that, it always seemed like, eh, I don't know if he loves playing here or being here or loves his quarterback necessarily. And I understood that. And this is something


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[Assistant] I said the same thing, I just felt like reading between the tea leaves that this could be a possibility and then it was a possibility.


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[Assistant] Trying to still win now. I don't think they're giving up on the 2019 season. And yes, they're gonna dabble with their future quarterback, I would expect, in the draft. And, you know, people out there are gonna go, well, how can they do both? And they can do both. I mean, look at the Baltimore Ravens last year. I mean, they went into the season with Baltimore and Joe Flacco and thought,


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[Assistant] We're gonna go for it. Then he got kinda hurt and beat up and they threw Lamar Jackson in. So this is not like the first time we've seen this, okay? You can do both. The Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes and went to the playoffs the first year when he was sitting on the bench with Alex Smith. So again, you can do both.


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[Assistant] But I get your point, uh, as far as, yeaah, the Giants have a lot of holes on their roster. They're trying to fix things, and I think that Odell Beckham Jr. is not really their style of personality or what they want to deal with right now. I think they are kind of placating to Eli Manning. I think they realize that they have a quarterback that can't necessarily always


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[Assistant] Take advantage of Odell Beckham Jr. strengths, I would argue that too. So they probably looked at it and said, you know what? We still got talent on this offense, even if we don't have Odell Beckham Jr. Sterling Shepard's pretty good. Evan Ingram has a chance to be one of the best pass catching tight ends in football. And then, and for my money, I don't know how you feel about the guy, I know you think he's awesome.


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[Assistant] Sequon Barkley is the best running back in football already. So I just feel like hey, they're gonna change your style of play and not let Odell be such a big factor in everything and they're gonna move on and continue to build


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[Assistant] Even talking about in the quarterback conversation, right? The rest of the teams, it's very weird. 49ers at number two, they got Garoppolo. The Jets at number three got Sam Darnold. The Raiders at number four,


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[Assistant] I would be shocked if they moved on. I know people are talking about that, but I still think they're going to stay steady with Derek Carr. I don't think they got Antonio Brown and said, eh, let's get him with a rookie quarterback. That'll be real easy for the rookie quarterback to adjust to. So I think they're staying with Derek Carr. So I think within that,


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[Assistant] I do. I mean, there's been definitely worst quarterbacks drafted in the top five. I would go, and I'm not going to go through history here, but there's certainly, yes, I mean, I think Drew Haskins is big time and I mean, Drew Haskins, Dwayne Haskins and Drew Locke.


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[Assistant] Are both big time franchise type quarterbacks. I really do. They have special attributes that I really like to their game. Uh, and would not be shocked if a team kind of made a move up there and wasn't sure what's going to go on to make sure they can ensure they get one of those two guys.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly right. They can do whatever they want. I expect one of those picks to go to the quarterback, if not both, if they have to trade up either way. Hey, I don't know.


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[Assistant] How to feel about this whole thing. I'm not necessarily crazy about it from the Giants' end in a lot of ways too. You know, I'm not. I mean, again, I guess I get a little bit annoyed with Eli Manning at times. I will say that as a true Giants' end. What annoys you about him? Well, uhm, you know, again,


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[Assistant] For whatever reason, I always feel like he gets a free pass. There's always an excuse made for him. It's two Super Bowl victories. Well, I understand that, but that was seven years ago. But I understand that as well. I'm not saying it's wrong.


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[Assistant] And I guess in this whole situation, yeaah, I just feel like he deserves some of the fault here with the fact that it didn't work out with OBJ, whether he couldn't relate to him in the locker room or the simple fact that he just couldn't


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[Assistant] Capitalized on his abilities. He won't, won't wait in the pocket to throw the ball down the field to him or just won't launch it and throw it down the field when Odell was open. There was too many instances.


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[Assistant] Of that, to where, yeaah, I get frustrated just because I am a Giants fan at heart. I truly am. And I know I'm kind of in a no one situation when I talk about Eli Manning, cause people go,


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[Assistant] He's just saying that cause Phil Simms is his dad and he's being a hater. No, Eli Manning is the greatest quarterback in Giants history. I got no problem. I'm paid to give my honest opinion and I've been around football a whole lot and those are just my, my thoughts on the matter in general. But yes.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, I guess I got issues with that. I'm also shocked that the Giants didn't have to trade a whole lot.


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[Assistant] Uh, or, or didn't get a whole lot back. You don't think that first, the third in Jibril Peppers was enough? I would have expected a higher, a higher market. Yeaah, I would have. I think if they tried to make this trade before last season, they definitely would have got more than a first and a third in Jibril Peppers. What would have been the best compensation? Like he's worth how much? Yeaah, I mean, again, I think


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[Assistant] You know, you look at the value, first of all, you're getting a guy, and we'll see if Odell Beckham Jr. asks for more money as he goes to Cleveland. You think he might? I think he might. I think there's a very good possibility. How much is he going to make this year? Well, he's going to make about $15 million from here on out as his average salary.


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[Assistant] Now he's in a, and just off that, he's in a position of power, again, to say, no, I want a little more. I want to outdo Antonio Brown.


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[Assistant] Cleveland is being crowned gods of the NFL right now. So they want to make sure this deal goes through. And they want to make sure Odell's happy when he gets there. I will not be shocked if he gets a little icing on top of his contract to make him again the highest paid.


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[Assistant] No, you're right. It's probably easier to go in that way smooth and yeah, you're not going to ruffle any feathers that way. But I just think that day in age, it's over that day. The NFL player now knows, hey, you got to get it why you can get it. And he's in a position where he still can demand it and get it to where


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[Assistant] If that's the case, okay, yeaah, he could probably make this happen right now because of the way it looks, and Cleveland's not gonna be wa- wanna be embarrassed by him pulling out of the deal, or not going through, cause it's not finalized yet.


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[Assistant] So, uh, I do think he's got the position, or the power in this, in this position to kinda, to play with that all together. And one of the side stories, go ahead. I didn't, your, the draft compensation. Yeaah. I mean...


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[Assistant] I guess I would have expected a first, a third, Jibril Peppers, maybe another third or something like that. I mean, if you look at Coolio Mack, what he got last year going to the Chicago Bears, right? And they had to pay him a hundred million dollar contract.


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[Assistant] No, you're right. That was not there. Yes. And, well, uh, you know, and I would argue, first of all, I am an OBJ apologist. I don't know if you know this a whole lot, but I do. Well, I stick out, I stick up for him because I feel like sometimes he gets put more in the villain role than Antonio Brown.


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[Assistant] I think that's probably part of it, exactly right. Yes, it's, it's of course the New York area, uh,


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[Assistant] And I also think whether it's the New York era, he acts like that, there's old school giant fans who don't always love that way about him, I think the Eli Manning factor plays into that as well, all of it, but I do hate how he gets lumped together there, and I would go, no, if we put up a graphic right now about


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[Assistant] On field and off field issues, we'd have to go to a second graphic for Antonio Brown and really we'd be able to fit it all in with Odell Beckham Jr.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I hit, hit the kicking net. Oh gosh, he's such a bad, he's hit the kicking net. I mean, horrible guy. Okay, boat trip to Miami. It's the worst thing he ever did. Boat trip to Miami and his day off. I understand that's not perfect, but it's not the worst thing we've ever seen in professional sports.


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[Assistant] I'm still shocked by that too. I know. I'm still shocked by Antonio Brown and that the Steelers gave up on it that quickly there too. Especially when you're gonna be on the ca- on the, the hook for 21 million dollars for Antonio Brown this year no matter what.


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[Assistant] I would have said no. You think they shouldn't have given up on him? Well, I would have, I would have drawn a line in the sand and wait for more desperate teams to come to the top. I would have. I would have gone, oh, let's go through pre-agency.


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[Assistant] Go to the draft, there'll be a team that's gonna go to OTAs and all of a sudden they're gonna go, damn, we don't have a receiver, we're in deep crap. And now you get a team who's desperate to kind of fix that position to maybe now you get what you want. I just think the Steelers kind of folded, uh, folded tent or shop a little too quick on this one altogether.


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[Assistant] I'm not a, yeah, again, and you know, it's, Lyndon Collins is a good player. I just, I do not value him as one of the five, six, eight best safeties in football. Yeah, I think you could sit there and we could have conversations about him being anywhere from nine to eighteen.


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[Assistant] Peppers has been a disappointment in Cleveland. Uh, I never thought he was a first round pick. I'll just say that. I've been watching him since high school, okay. And again, this is the worst part about the job because I know the kid is a good kid and a cool kid and he works hard and all those things. But if you look at Cleveland on film last year,


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[Assistant] They went through a period of the year where they took dribble peppers out in passing situations. They took them out.


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[Assistant] Third and eight, we're taking him off the field because he has no ability to cover. He's kind of a, he's kind of a really small guy to be an in the box safety. And that's what he is. You can't really trust him in coverage or playing the backend to cover a lot of range. And that's where I am dicey about the player, but it doesn't,


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[Assistant] Freaking matter what I think. The Giants obviously like him and think he can fit, you know, the James Betcher scheme and maybe be more successful in that than he was in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] We're talking 45 and 41. So this, this is like, this is something I've seen just like psychoanalysis. Cause again, I'm, we're here in Connecticut. We're 25, 27 miles north of where the Giants play, right? MetLife Stadium. So we're surrounded by Giants and I do find.


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[Assistant] Whether it's my old high school coach who's from the Vince Lombardi, you know, school of coaching, all the old school giant fans, yes, we're tired of Odell Beckham Jr. But I think once you get to like the 40 and under or 35 and under,


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[Assistant] They're all like the opposite. I find more times than that. I know that's not perfect across the board, but I felt like my friends texting me last night, the young whippersnappers I know, they're all like, what the F are we doing? What are they doing? I think that's a good point.


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[Assistant] Uh, with some of the antics and all that. All I always say to defend Odell Beckham Jr. is I think a lot of the antics you saw are from good things at times. Whether it's, okay, we're not winning, the offense is stalling, he wants the team to win, he wants to play good, he wants the offense to play good. So those frustrations. And the other thing, I've just never heard players speak badly about them in the Giants locker room.


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[Assistant] I think they're probably like, holy crap, we just gave away Odell Beckham Jr. I mean, I know they marvel at him as far as, he's one of the freakiest players ever.


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[Assistant] Straight speed, ability to run routes, ability to make people miss in space with the ball at his hands. I mean, 50-50 balls for a guy that's 5'11", he's phenomenal at that. You know, I truly think if he stays healthy and on the right track and now has a quarterback, he could be


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[Assistant] You know, considered the greatest wide receiver of all time. I think he has that type of talent. Uh, and I think that led to his frustrations too, because he probably felt like he was in a position where I don't know if my talents are ever going to get really shown here in New York with the quarterback situation and the way


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm waiting to see on that as well. And then, I mean, when you talk about the Cleveland side of it, I mean, come on, holy cow. Unbelievable, right? I mean, it's going to be hard not to root for the Cleveland Browns. Best team in the AFC North? I mean, I feel pretty good about saying that. I mean, I know Pittsburgh and Baltimore aren't far off, but man.


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[Assistant] I mean, I feel very confident saying this is going to be one of the three or four best offenses in all of football. I know that. Uh, and it's the first time I think you and I both agree, like Cleveland's like a legitimate contender for the first time and since the


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[Assistant] single-handedly changed the culture in the building a little bit because of the way he is, his brashness, his love for football. You know, you could see, and I've heard it's very real with Odell Beckham Jr. liking Baker Mayfield. It's a new day and age, okay? The quarterback no longer has to be like,


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[Assistant] You know, I'm just a quiet general in the corner of the room. You know, relatability because of social media and the fact that it's 2019 and all those things, it's important to some players. They don't want to be with like the corporate quarterback anymore. They want to be with the guy that goes, yeah, I mean, I know he's a quarterback and he's going to do his thing, but


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[Assistant] You know, I'd like to be around him and we get a beer every now and then or just shoot the shit, whatever it may be. And I think that's where Baker Mayfield really rubs off on guys.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly right. You can't judge the book by the cover this day and age anymore too. And a guy like Baker Mayfield coming from Oklahoma and everything and he's used to, he's won the Heisman Trophy, got people clawing at him.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, he's kind of a star, so practice was over, he's talked to who he has to talk to, he wants to put his earphones on.


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[Assistant] Move on to the next thing. He was probably worried about practice or meetings or football, things like that. But yeaah, I mean, it is. It's just, old school coaches definitely gotta get used to some of the personalities or get over some of their biases they had, you know, dating back to the 70s and 80s.


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[Assistant] Oh, exactly right. And there was way more. That's what used to drive me crazy about the Baker Mayfield Johnny Manziel talk. I mean, people trying to lump that together. Listen,


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[Assistant] Baker Mayfield didn't have nearly the background flaws that, uh, I'm sure you heard coming out in the draft process. I certainly heard some of them. Nor did the film match what everybody wanted to make Johnny Manziel out to be.


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[Assistant] You know, Johnny Menzel, hey yeaah, I know there was a lot of highlight, great plays and all that, but if we put his college film onto Baker Mayfield's film, I think we would sit here and go, whoa, okay yeaah, Baker was noticeably better, especially from in the pocket making NFL 10 throws and all that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, Johnny was playing backyard football. Baker was playing football quarterback the right way with a mix of backyard when it needed to be there. And I think that's the difference of the two guys. Have I heard that your dad is gonna come on? Yeah, we got the big efforts coming out. I'm sure he'll, he'll have some things to say. Yeah.


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[Assistant] We are. We're going to get into some of the draft receivers. I've kind of done a deep dive on, you know, I'm going to say, well, I think I ended up with like 12 guys in the bank there where I've written notes on and we're going to get into the top five and you know, who jumps out and then, then, uh, like a lot of.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a good receivers class. It really is. There's, I think, I think there's a few guys that stand apart from the rest of the group, but there's good depth in the class. I think you're going to see a lot of guys who are first year contributors ready to play in the NFL. And we might not even talk about them all today, but down the line, I just thought, wow, okay, this guy's a good player. He's going to be, find his way on the field.


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[Assistant] That's right. Alright, and now, so I also, you know, like you said to your confusion point,


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[Assistant] You also, and then you and I talked on the phone just briefly last night because you wanted to know, what time are you guys going to call me tomorrow? What do you think we're going to talk about? And you know, I know we spitballed also the flip side of what we think the Giants are doing too. You know, I think there was a part of you that wasn't sure like, okay, wait, are they going to just rebuild and move on here? How is this all?


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[Assistant] He, it was, it was pretty flawless, dad. Like it was one of those things where, okay, I wasn't sitting there going, oh my gosh, this is the most powerful arm I've ever seen before in my life. But I can say in that same year, I saw Sam Donald come to town too. And I would tell you Ryan Finley's arm was every bit as strong.


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[Assistant] It's just, it was pure every time you threw the ball. Perfect spiral, right on the money. It was very easy to catch.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I think the arm is more powerful maybe than it looks like on TV. When you see it in person, you go, oh, okay, there's a little more here too, this guy, because he is big and he's got long arms. He can kind of just throw it out there with ease and that always kind of can make it deceiving when you look at it on TV.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, certainly. I get that. Because I kinda felt the same way too. There was games where I turned on and I didn't sit there and go, wow. But it was like one of those pleasant surprises when you turn on the film. Film is different than TV.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's a, that's a good point dad. I mean basically what dad's saying is he thinks the Giants are gonna go to New Englandville, right? Cause that's what New England did this last year.


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[Assistant] I formation, pulling guards. We're going to run the ball. We're not going to depend on Tom Brady to throw the ball 50 times a game and be in the shotgun all game long. We're going to run it, run it, play action, pass, be able to protect better that way. That would probably be the smart approach for Eli Manning.


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[Assistant] Right, alright, alright, so one more question on, on Odell, cause I know we're spending too much time and we don't want to take Dad forever, but Dad, do you think the Antonio Brown issue


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know where this off season's gonna go. Is he gonna come out and start saying things about the franchise, about the team? We're scared that it goes down to Antonio Brownville here and then all of a sudden we lose our trade value. You think that played into this at all?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, no doubt. I can think of three or four plays in the first game of the year against the Jacksonville Jaguars alone right there. Uhm, alright, let's change, let's change tunes. Okay. Cause we do, I mean, Le'Veon Bell, right? To the New York Jets. I feel bad for them.


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[Assistant] No, and again, I don't know if I actually agree with that approach for the New York Giants, nonetheless. Which part? That they're good enough to be competitive?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I have the doubts about Eli playing well. I do. I guess I just get, I get annoyed with the excuses for Eli all the time. That's where I go crazy with it at times. Oh, his offensive line wasn't good.


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[Assistant] You know, one of the biggest flaws with the New York Giants is the quarterback position. There's no way around it. I know he's awesome and done awesome things, but I'm not gonna sit here and just continue to sugar coat it. And you're 17 just because he won two Super Bowls and all of that, so.


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[Assistant] That's where, yeaah, I question it. I gotta see it to believe it. I really do. There was too many plays on film last year, and I know the protection wasn't great.


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[Assistant] But there was teams I could show you and go, they had better, this quarterback had not as good of protection as Eli Manning. How do you think he felt? You know, I asked to Sean Watson how he felt about his past protection last year. So I'm just, I gotta see it to believe it is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] They're giving him away, and this is the start of the rebuild. Here we go. Because that's a very popular theory. I know, that's a very, and I looked at it the exact opposite. I looked at this, no, they're going, this is Eli's offense and his team, and we're going with it from here.


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[Assistant] This is, this is about Eli. This is taking the pressure off of Eli and going, now you don't have to worry about feeding him the ball. We don't have to worry, you know, about it exposing you when people like me or whoever else watch film on a weekly basis and go, damn.


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[Assistant] I think it's more about that. And I still think that they're in this this year to win and, and, and try to be a playoff team. You don't get a, a Kevin Zeitler who's in year, what, nine of his career or he's getting up there towards that point. Unless you're going, no, we're trying to win right now at this point. And they're trying to protect Eli Manning and help out Saquon Barkley all in one. Don't turn and look at the TV because


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[Assistant] I did not know that. Yes. Wow. You know, I'd heard the Ravens were lukewarm maybe in the Leveon Bell conversation.


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[Assistant] I think he was asking for too much money at this point of his career. He's broken his leg two out of the last three years, but he's still a rocket in the back, in the back end there. And yeah, they needed a need. They had a need there at the position him with Tony Jefferson at safety. Pretty good. You know, hey, yeah, it stinks. They lost CJ Mosley. They're not going to replace him.


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[Assistant] Zedarius Smith of course is a very good player too, but they got guys like Tyus Bowser who they drafted in the second round out of Houston. They drafted Tim Williams, the good pass rusher out of Alabama a few years ago. So I think along.


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[Assistant] With, with them and Matt Judon, they go, okay, you know, we got other guys here to move on and I think there's more depth. That defense is going to be fine. I don't think it's going to be a big issue. Mark Ingram, of course, is going to be a good fit too.


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[Assistant] From the Ole Miss, the other Ole Miss wide receiver who again is, uh, I don't want to say a freak in his own, in his own way, but he has a freaky body. Oh my gosh. I mean, I'm embarrassed for Ole Miss really actually. I just, I watched the film and go, how were they not better?


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[Assistant] This is embarrassing that their offense didn't move the ball up and down the field. Uh, but there's AJ Brown on the left, who you can see is a specimen, but doesn't look as specimen-ish because there's a greater specimen next to him and DK Metcalf. That's photoshopped. AJ Brown, let's say, I think this is what I would say and you could see from the build there.


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[Assistant] Running back playing wide receiver in a lot of ways. That's not good for a wide receiver. Well, it's okay this day and age. I'm okay with that because first of all, I don't think he's the type of receiver that's going to make a living on the outside, okay? I think this is a guy who is outside at times but has tremendous slot value as well.


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[Assistant] He's six foot, he's 226 pounds. He ran a 449, right? 449 for outside receivers. It's just not moving that this day and age anymore. And the, and the film


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[Assistant] Confirms that. He is not that type of guy where you're gonna go out and go, Hey, we're gonna put you outside. Stefan Gilmore is gonna guard you all game. We expect you to get open. No, that's not going to happen. He is going to need some help.


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[Assistant] He's got size, physicality, and he's a very good route runner for the size. You know, usually when you get big guys like this,


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[Assistant] Boom and hit it and come out of the break is very important in creating separation. You know that as being an ex-quarterback.


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[Assistant] He is a guy that can do that, which is rare for a guy that has those type of measurables. You know, sometimes you get guys that size and you see more of this kind of, this kind of break, right?


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[Assistant] Against good DBs in the NFL, those are telltale signs of, oh, here goes a guy, he's breaking, I'm gonna break on the ball and do that. So that was an important thing that I looked at, certainly with his ability. Uhm, he's more of a quick, quick than fast guy, right? That's almost better.


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[Assistant] No, no, no doubt. Yeaah. I mean, hey, it depends how you're going to use him, but I do think, yes, at the end of the day, he is going to make his money as a slot receiver. I wrote down this as my comparison. I thought he was Quincy Anunwa, right? Quincy Anunwa for the New York Jets, right? Who's turned into a really good football player.


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[Assistant] Big, right? Same kind of, really the same measureables. I think Quincy and Nuno was maybe an inch and a half taller, but the same weight, and really a comparable 40 time to go with it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be big, physical, be fearless over the middle, break tackles, uh, gonna b-block in the run game. He's gonna be able to do all of those things. He's your number five guy. He has a lot of classes.


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[Assistant] I don't think I am, no. I think this is a second round guy, somewhere I would say between 40 and 64 is where somebody like this guy goes, yes. Who do you have at number four? Number four, and this is one of my favorite watches, kind of a pleasant surprise.


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[Assistant] Talk about another guy in a running, a wide receiver in a running backs body. I mean, 5'11", 2'14", it's, he's dense and thick and he plays with a fearless


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[Assistant] For the most part, yes. I mean, as you go through game after game after game, his hands are phenomenal, snatches the ball out of the air, has incredible ability after the catch. And in fact, I think with the ball in his hand, he plays faster than the 4-4-8 speed.


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[Assistant] Well, I think because of really the top end speed does mean something to me. And his top end speed is? It was, it was 4-4-8. Okay. Okay. He's a guy that when he played the LSU's of the world that had some top tier corners, right?


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[Assistant] They weren't scared of his speed. Like Greedy Williams on the outside there, they were kind of, oh, okay, you want to come out here and you're going to have to prove to me you can run by me first. And once they realized, okay, you're not going to run by me. Yeah. It made it hard for him to get open because on the outside, if you don't have the threat of running by people against quality corners in the NFL,


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[Assistant] Then man, everything else is going to get harder. You know that, okay? If you're a DB and he's not scared of you running by him, damn, it's going to be hard to run an outrout or a comeback or an in-cut because he's just going to constantly be waiting for you to break down because he's going to go, oh, well, if he does try to run by me, I'll run him down and make a play on the ball. But to me, this guy is, uhm, I'm going to say like a poor man's


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[Assistant] Number three, and this is, I mean, this one might be the one that surprises people, but, uh, Marquise Brown from Oklahoma. Okay, uh, Marquise Brown. Why should that surprise me? Well, I feel like when I read news or look at things, I mean, I see him in some mock drafts, he's a top 10, top 15 pick, and I just don't see that. Is he injured?


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[Assistant] Yeah, the injury does scare me certainly. And the injury is? He's got Liz Frank injury in his foot, right? So that's a little bit of an issue. I mean, you gotta be able to jam your foot in the ground at wide receiver. Right. So that scares me. 5'9", 166 pounds scares me, okay? If we're gonna start right off there. Yes, I, you know, not that you have to be the biggest receiver in the world.


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[Assistant] That is a really small wide receiver to go, okay, I'm going to drop you a top 15. Now go get open against Jalen Ramsey, who by the way, is just as fast as you. And if he puts his hands on you, you're in deep trouble. Those are the things that scare me. Now, and I've heard comparisons to the Shawn Jackson.


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[Assistant] I want to say, hey, I get that comparison. The guy's top-end speed when he opens up, it's special, okay? But Deshaun Jackson was six foot.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you've ever seen the Shawn Jackson. He's little. He's like tiny frame, but incredibly long arms. He's got arms of like a 6'3", 6'4", man. He's got a waist, he's got a torso that's about a foot big, and he's


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[Assistant] He's, what I want to say is like almost a 6'3 gangly guy stuck in a six foot body, okay? That's how I would explain it.


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[Assistant] As a playmaker can make speed, uh, make plays over the top.


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[Assistant] But these are the other things that worry me about him in this conversation. First of all, the Big 12 stinks. I mean, we're not talking about- Guys are running so open, it's unbelievable. Right, it's a flag football conference is kinda what I say. And think about the draft. You're not hearing about anybody in the Big 12 being talked about in the first round. You're not hearing about anybody in the Big 12.


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[Assistant] Is the clear cut cream of the crop in the Big 12. They got NFL players all over the field. And at times they're playing against teams that are just overmatched. There's no way they're gonna play against them. The offense is phenomenal. It's creative. So that makes him look a little better than I think what he really is. And of course he had a quarterback that was really special too.


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[Assistant] Here's my other little worry, and again, this goes into the route running, and Annie, I'm gonna stand up one more time. But, he is not a guy.


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[Assistant] Julian Edelman, Jameson Crowder, and what I mean by that is like, when I just say jitterbug, or you hear quicker than fast, right? You know, his ability just to be twitchy and boom, and come out of a break. That's not kind of what he is. For a smaller guy, he has a little bit more of a buildup speed, and he's not as a precise route runner, again, as I would have thought for a guy


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[Assistant] I think to a degree, but you have to be able to take into account little things you see with the physical body too to go, okay, are there certain things


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[Assistant] We can teach him or is his body just limited in this capacity to where I don't think he'll be able to do this. And when I bring up the hips, that's one of the things that concerns me about him. He's another guy that


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[Assistant] The hips kind of have to go with him and running. His gait is not real fluid and open. So when he makes a break it's always boom boom boom and then he comes this way and boom boom boom. There's no just.


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[Assistant] Boom! And like the hips turn and fly around. Kinda all gotta be in a line. He's a little bit of a straight liner that way. To where, between that, what I talked about with the Big 12, the size, hey, again, this guy's a first round receiver all the way. So I wanna make sure that's the distinction. But I don't think he's...


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[Assistant] At least in my opinion, and from what I've seen, uh, I just don't categorize them as high as I've maybe seen other people do it.


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[Assistant] He is better than the other two I talked about. He really is. He has home run ability, certainly.


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[Assistant] But I guess what I know is I've heard so much about the guy. I think that's what kind of dictated that. I'm responding to that a little bit to go, yeah, this guy's good. Don't get me wrong. But man, people have made him out to be Deshaun Jackson or this guy that's just going to be a superstar and take over the NFL right off the bat.


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[Assistant] And I have some questions, obviously, about that. Let's move up to number two. Yeah, number two, Paris Campbell. Okay? Okay. Man, Buckeye. I think this is my favorite receiver in the draft. This is him right here. This guy's got superstar ability. Why is he one? Because the other guy is kind of a free-can't-miss prospect.


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[Assistant] I mean, when I look at the guy out of this draft to go, this could be Odell Beckham Jr.


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[Assistant] That's what you saw. That looks different. I mean the guy only ran three routes. He ran a shallow cross, he ran a fake the shallow cross and come back out, or he just ran straight. I mean that's all they did with him.


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[Assistant] It's limited as far as like a route tree resume, right? But when you are capable of catching shallow crosses and turning the corner and outrunning everybody on Michigan's defense, which has NFL players all over it, and you can run for 70 yard touchdowns and do speed sweeps and things like that.


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[Assistant] Yes, I think from that standpoint, I was amazed by that. He's an effortless runner. I think he has a gear that really


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[Assistant] Good, but you don't get to see a ton of that. And that's the things, again, with a lot of these receivers, you don't get to see extensive route tree combinations all the time. You kinda gotta make determinations on, okay, I've watched the athlete.


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[Assistant] I've seen, yes, these routes, and I know that's not everything, but you gotta make your determination. And the one thing I thought, too, is he was a phenomenal route runner. I know, and like I said, it's not an extensive route tree. Only based off of those three routes. Basically, and maybe the slot-out route, but with the things I look at that tell me he is a good route runner, is again,


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[Assistant] The ability to set up defenders and also be able to stick his foot in the ground, not really lose speed. What we would say in the scouting world is his, his ability to burst in and out of transition is phenomenal. And he can be that guy where, oh, okay, I got a guy out here, cover me. He leans them out and then it's just,


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[Assistant] Bam! And he comes out of the cut, and he doesn't lose any of that 4-3 speed while he makes the cut. That is a special receiver to me. I was blown away by Paris Cut. I knew he was explosive and fun to watch. He was better than what I thought he was. Yeah, I really did.


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[Assistant] You know, sometimes you watch something on TV and you think one thing when your TV's got it.


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[Assistant] And then it's another thing, like you talked about with Baker Mayfield at his pro day earlier, right? You get there on feel, on the field and you see the guy in person and you go, whoa, he's a little bigger than I thought on TV. He's a little quicker than it looked like on TV. And all of a sudden you start to piece it together and you go, okay, wait, this guy's special.


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[Assistant] Number one, yeaah. I mean, it's DK Metcalf. And again, you wanna talk about a guy? I mean, this is one of the freakiest can't miss prospects of the whole draft. I mean, I would be shocked.


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[Assistant] If he is not drafted in the top ten, top twelve, he is that type of player. Giants at six? Giants, I mean, listen, if they wanted to go all in on Eli, I certainly would look at, yea, Giants at six. The Buffalo Bills, I believe they're the ninth pick in the draft, something there. They're certainly looking for a guy like that.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen can just launch the ball down the field. That would make sense to me here too. I mean, I mean, this guy's a Greek God. I don't even know what else to say.


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[Assistant] The routes are not perfect, okay, but you have no problem when you turn on the tape going, oh, where's DK Metcalf? He stands out right away. Before he even runs, you just go,


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[Assistant] Who is that big, freaky, good-looking guy at wide receiver? And you go, well, of course, that's DK Metcalf. I mean, he stands out just in uniform alone. But then you turn on the film, and I watch the Texas Tech game. Second play of the game. Zoom! Gone, touchdown. Turn on the Alabama game. First play of the game.


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[Assistant] Touchdown. So that says a lot, let alone he commands double teams in college football, which you don't see all the time. Now, is he the perfect player?


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[Assistant] Is very raw. He's a raw, he has raw technical aspects of his game. He's doing it all on just God given natural ability. He's doing it with, I'm scaring you with my speed.


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[Assistant] If I didn't scare you with my speed, I'm gonna just brrrrraaah, push you off at the top of the route, and you're not gonna be able to handle my power, and I'm gonna be open, and then good luck trying to tackle me. Right. That's kinda how he does it. So, he's not nuanced that way, but again,


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[Assistant] I don't know if he'll ever be perfect that way. You can't have it all. Right. You know, Calvin Johnson wasn't a great double move route runner. Julio Jones isn't amazing at every route if we sat there and watched film.


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[Assistant] You know, when you're 6'3", 228 and you run 4'33 and have a 40 and a half inch vertical, yeaah, you're not always going to be able to stop that big body going that fast just like that to come out of a break and run a precise route. You gotta live with some of that, but either way, he can't miss. I mean, this is one of those where


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[Assistant] You know, have fun trying to find the negatives and all that, but the negatives are all team-based. And I can always use it as a neck injury, but...


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[Assistant] Well, you're looking at, of course, all the areas that are shaded in red. I mean, basically, he was, you know, towards the...


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[Assistant] He's at the top, the 97th percentile in broad jump. I mean vertical jump, he's at the 93rd percentile.


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[Assistant] But there's this big white gaping area there with three cone and 20 yard shuttle, right? Which was certainly less than average. I mean,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was not impressive as far as those times are concerned. What do those things tell you about how it translates to a football game? It tells me that, yeah, there's some routes, double moves, post corners, he's not gonna be good at. It goes back to what we talked about, when you're that big and you're that explosive.


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[Assistant] You're not going to always have it all. And here's Julio Jones, very similar. You know, okay, yes, his three cone drill was very good, but the 20 yard shuttle, not great. You know, when you're moving that fast and that explosive, it's hard sometimes to just stick your foot in the ground and come back and change directions right away. Calvin Johnson, you know what's missing here?


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[Assistant] Because on this graphic, the 20 yard shuttle and the three cone drill aren't even on there. You know why? Why? Because Calvin Johnson knew he wasn't very good at that. And he said, you know what? My film's awesome. I run a fast 40. I'm really big. I'm not gonna give you a chance to look at those type of things. Nor do those things always mean


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[Assistant] Full proof, you're awesome anyways, but okay, here's DeAndre Hopkins. His is not that impressive of a pie chart there when you look at it. Or a spider web chart, whatever the hell this chart is, okay? Either way, you could see, but it doesn't, so all these numbers and tests


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[Assistant] You know, they don't always just mean you're gonna be an awesome football player. Uhm, and I'm not concerned that DK Metcalf isn't great at the three cone drill. They're not gonna be asking him to run.


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[Assistant] Scare them with your speed. We're gonna throw comebacks to you when they're so scared of your speed, they're so far off. We'll just throw you comebacks or out routes or posts over the top.


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[Assistant] Shallow crosses. They're gonna play to his strengths, but he's a stud. And the class in general is pretty impressive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that would be cool. No, I'm all for that. You know, again, none of these guys are, it's college football. Offenses are limited. Quarterbacks are limited. Uhm, it's hard sometimes to evaluate some of these receivers, cause you, cause all of them, I would say,


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[Assistant] The, the route trees were just not that extensive. Marquise Brown probably ran the biggest variety of routes because he was with a really creative offensive coordinator in Lincoln Riley who's the head coach and, and a guy in, in Kyler Murray who could deal the ball wherever he wanted to and some of these other guys didn't, didn't have that except for Paris Campbell.


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[Assistant] AJ Brown, Ole Miss, outside receiver with more slot value. Deebo Samuel from South Carolina. Again, outside receiver, but more slot value. Think Jarvis Landry.


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[Assistant] Number three, Marquis Hollywood Brown, who people are talking like Deshaun Jackson. I don't think it's quite that, but still really awesome. Certainly a first round pick. Number two, Parrish Campbell.


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[Assistant] My favorite player of the job, I think he has a chance to be that superstar Odell Beckham type of guy. I really love his game. Smooth, effortless, has a gear.


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[Assistant] And we got another podcast coming out on Friday where we'll talk about some Kyler Murray reaction from his pro day and some other things that went on in the NFL. Appreciate everybody tuning in, listening, wherever you're at. Peace out homies. Be good. Paul, say bye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Talk to you next time.


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[Assistant] I really am. What I love is that there's nothing, you know, like fake about your, your, your admiration for the calves and the football. The body, right? Yeaah. Yeaah. That's come up off air multiple times now.


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[Assistant] No, you, you, you may try. You're better than me in many things, Chris. Ping pong might not be one of them. Syracuse University, my junior year.


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[Assistant] Uh, Booth Hall. Yeah. Dorm Champion. Okay. Uh, back-to-back years. Right. Junior and senior year. Booth Hall. Dorm. Dorm Champion. There were five participants both years. Crushed them all. Okay. Damn, I'm a little scared now that I said that. Okay.


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[Assistant] Well, that's part of being unbuttoned, cause you don't know what the hell to expect. You showed me it was okay to go with a hoodie. Yeah, I like it. I will never not wear a hoodie. Yep. Uhm, we got Tony Dungy on the program today. A little bit later talking about Connor Murray. We pick his brand about a free agency. He's gonna be going 180 miles an hour in a car. Which doesn't make sense in the same sentence.