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[Assistant] Is the coach going to be an offensive guy? Is it going to be more of a disciplinarian? We mentioned Brian Flores as a possibility in terms of just trying to get the house in order before you worry about the quarterback situation. And I talked about this with Rick Spielman just not too long ago on with the first pick about what you want to do. And Rick's like, you need to get the best football guy in there because football team


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[Assistant] Is a hot mess. Now they have other draft picks. They have the number three overall pick. And uhm, you know.


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[Assistant] I don't think Sean Payton is a likely candidate, but Rick said this about the Broncos job. He said, listen, if you think, and he worked with George Payton for a quarter century, if you think that Sean Payton is the answer to unlocking Russ Wilson and getting this team going, you absolutely give up the number five pick or the number, a first round pick, whatever that first round pick is.


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[Assistant] If they feel like there's a situation where Sean Payton can be coaxed into coming to coach and they think that he can solve the problem, it sounds like that you're, you may have to make some tough decisions about your, your draft hall. But unlike the, the Broncos who have a lot of pieces in place outside of the quarterback position, uh, the Cardinals have holes up and down that, that freaking roster.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you also thought it made sense to pay this coach to stay around. Will Anderson isn't getting this team to the playoffs next year. Sean Payton, I think if you ask a hundred people, a hundred people will tell you Sean Payton has a better chance than Will Anderson or Jalen Carter to get.


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[Assistant] I think we all agree that, but we were having the champagne conversation and that's where it led us.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but they also said Lovey Smith had long conversations with Cal McNair in recent days. And uh, then Cal McNair walked downstairs and fired him right before the two point conversion, according to my calculations.


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[Assistant] Are you going to trade the Cardinals to the AFC South? Because they have a lot of things to fix with very little resources, comparatively speaking, and they're not playing the freaking Colts twice a year.


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[Assistant] So it looks like the Cardinals are 10th according to spot track in terms of available salary cap space at 31 million now. A lot of that will change with the new league year in the coming weeks and yada, yada, yada. But I mean, they have their draft picks. They have the third overall pick, which we just talked about. Uh, they should have some salary cap room. So again, you get the right coach in there. You can turn things around relatively quickly.


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[Assistant] But it just feels like there are a lot of hurdles to clear. They don't have a general manager. The coach didn't work out. The quarterback's not going to be available until October, November.


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[Assistant] They have Andy Dalton, I mean, would they want to get down to Kyler Murray?


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[Assistant] Wow, Chris, they named their kid Apple. I wonder if that has something to do with it.


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[Assistant] Preston, I'll ask you what I asked Breach earlier. I'm going to go down a list of teams and you tell me whether they finish above or below the Arizona Cardinals next year, knowing what we know now. Um, and just for reference for people who didn't hear the clip Kingsbury Pied, Arizona finished 15 out of 16 teams in the NFC. They won three football games. So the Chicago Bears, higher or lower than the Cards.


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[Assistant] I feel like it would be better, it would be an upgrade for Steve Keim who said some things going on it feels like the last few years.


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[Assistant] What was my counter to that breach? You remember that sale you made? What was it? Steve Wilkes in Carolina, who ironically was run out of town for one year in Arizona. He turned around that, that Matt Ruhl crumpled khaki looking outfit and made him six and six in their final game.


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[Assistant] No, I don't think so. I think, you know, David Cully was the sacrificial lamb, whether he were white, black, or...


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[Assistant] You know, purple, uh, and I think Lovey Smith feels like a panic move. He's a safe move. He's a guy you can hire that people will respect immediately. And I, I get the sense that probably both coaches were hired with the understanding that this might be a one and done deal unless you won the Superbowl.


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[Assistant] Is it right? No. Is it telling when someone like Tony Dungy has to tweet out basically what the hell are we doing? You know, Tony doesn't say naughty words, but that's what he was implying in this tweet after they fired Lovey Smith. And it's a fair question to ask, but I think the bigger takeaway for me is that Calvin nears a goob.


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[Assistant] Uh, he doesn't know how to run that team, and that has manifested itself year after year, which is sort of funny to say in a post-Bill O'Brien world, which is, you know, something I don't think anybody would be saying. Uh, they, they moved on from Jackie Easterby over the course of the middle of the season. There was a lot of...


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[Assistant] You know, he may be great at his job, but I have yet to see the fruits of that labor. And they have two first round picks and it looks like East, uh, excuse me, Casario will get an opportunity to hire his third hit coach, which is rare for some GMs, especially GMs that have been there, you know, fewer than three years. And they'll have to drop the quarterback. So I don't know how much longer.


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[Assistant] A lot of times, you know, over the course of, you know, me working forever, you get angry about things that happen and you think it's vindictiveness. And in reality, it's just incompetence. And I feel like with, with Cal McNair, it's probably more the latter than the former.


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[Assistant] Lovey Smiths or, uh, Dan Quinn's or old time coaches on that list. And maybe it's just a starting point. Maybe it's just for show.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there are two minority candidates on that list. And, uh, you know, so we'll see. The list on paper looks great. The results could be a completely different sort.


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[Assistant] Well, that's a question I actually put to Breach. And Breach, what was your answer?


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[Assistant] Breach put in Slack that is confirmed by someone sitting in front of a Cardinals banner that looks to be quite official from.


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[Assistant] And remember, things ended quite well for Deshaun Watson, so that's a good thing Michael Bidwell's taking notice of that.


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[Assistant] Starting point for conversations is having a quarterback. I mean, that narrows the list down pretty quickly to the Denver Broncos, even though


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[Assistant] Let me check my, my current updated list of draft order. If the Saints do indeed want a first round pick, the Colts have picked number four, and you are not coming off that. It sounds like if your gym are saying Mr. Brinson and the Panthers have picked number nine and David Tepper ain't coming off that.


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[Assistant] Unless the plan is to get Derek Carr before you get Sean Payton in order to entice Sean Payton there to have the quarterback. So I think Denver is the landing spot because then you give up that 29th pick as we sit here, which belonged to the 49ers via the Dolphins. And maybe that makes it a little more attractive.


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[Assistant] But also, I don't know who said this. I don't know if it was... Anyway, wherever I heard it, uhm...


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[Assistant] I guess Strahan asked Sean Payton yesterday on Fox and Sean said there's a 70% chance he's sitting next to Strahan next year. So make it that what you will.


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[Assistant] My point is that maybe he sits out a year if he doesn't find the right opportunity, because look, he don't need that job. And you know, as we've been talking about, he's got plenty of money in the bank from all the years he's coached quite successfully. So why take on a burden when you can try to out, you know, in your words, try to outlast Brandon Staley and then go take that job, whatever that thing goes sideways in LA. Sorry, man.


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[Assistant] By the way, in terms of the Colts coaching job, our buddy Greg Doyle, uh, just wrote an indie star that just Saturday wants the coaching gig permanently.


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[Assistant] I wonder if it's one of those things where he sees David Tepper on the corner just handing out money to people. He's like, yo, as long as you're handing out that money, what do you think we talk? And maybe Teppers changes ways.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so let me ask you this, this comment from Brian J there that, that, uh, Billy just had on the screen. Why are we giving Sean Payton all this, this hype? How do you do without Breeze? And I think that's a fair point. I think the follow-up is that's why Sean Payton wants to go somewhere where Justin Herbert or Justin Herbert, uh, light quarterback is on the, on the, on the team. Cause I don't think it matters who you are.


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[Assistant] We've seen Bill Belichick struggle without Tom Brady. You can go down the list of guys. If it's a franchise quarterback here or a Hall of Fame coach, I think you always go with the franchise quarterback. Anyone disagree with that?


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[Assistant] They went 8-8-1, which feels like a Super Bowl victory as far as I'm concerned.


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[Assistant] Nine max. Maybe we're nine and eight. That's right. So he's worth the half again.


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[Assistant] Breach, does, uh, or Brenton, either one of you, does Dak Prescott count as a franchise quarterback if you were Jerry Jones calling Sean Payton?


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[Assistant] It's been hard to wait. But again, Kellen Moore was supposed to be that, that dude. He ain't Sean Payton, but clearly there have been some struggles.


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[Assistant] Don't even say it. I can't wait for you to say this stupid thing you're about to say. Go ahead.


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[Assistant] They're gonna win that game. I bet your hair plugs on it.


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[Assistant] Now that feels more likely to me than my, my dude Brandon Staley, which is just disrespect as far as I'm concerned.


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[Assistant] Well, let me ask you this, who wants Sean, who doesn't want Sean Payton over Jim Harbaugh?


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[Assistant] I will say this, and Breach mentioned this earlier, I think Jim Harbaugh might be a better fit in Arizona just because he's so crazy and he has a knack for getting the most out of sort of random situations, especially like Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick both, uhm, were really good under him and maybe that's something that Kyler needs as opposed to a traditional, uhm, offensive mind like Sean Payton obviously is.


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[Assistant] What, uhm, what are the concerns? Cause part of the reason he left, I believe, I could be remembering, misremembering, was he couldn't get along with Jed York and the ownership. Is that something Trimble offered?


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[Assistant] So the new GM is going to have to be able to get along with, uh, an unconventional personality.


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[Assistant] I would be concerned about his ability to evaluate talent because there's a huge gap between coaching and, I mean, you might be great at it, I don't know, but let's, there's a reason this team stinks.


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[Assistant] And I mean, you know, Adrian Wilson's there. You mentioned Quintin, Quintin Harris. So he said Quintin Harris. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if that's, I'm not concerned about those guys being co-GMs. It might be a situation where Arizona needs like 15 guys to be the general manager. That, that place is so dysfunctional.


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[Assistant] But I would be, I would be more concerned about Jim Harbaugh having full control as opposed to Vance Johnson getting the job with the, with the co-GMs that we talked about earlier.


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[Assistant] That would last three weeks. Like three years, no way. Three weeks.


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[Assistant] I'm not worrying, I'm going Sean. Okay, you gotta worry about the division thing. Okay, you lied to me. Okay, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Cause he's a guy that, he's like a, he feels like the, he's like, um,


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[Assistant] Harvey Hitell's character in, uhm, Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction. He comes in, he fixes the mask, and then he leaves. He's not gonna hang around for a long time. The wolf. Yeaah, the wolf. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] Whoever gets the job, please iron your clothes before the introductory press conference.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was going to say when Breach mentioned D'Amico Ryans, if you're going to stick with defense, I mean stick with the guy that, that took you to the dance Breach. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That also is the reason why I think the Chargers don't move on from Brandon Staley because if Sean's come in, Telesco is going to have to hit the bricks too. So I think that's the conversation that.


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[Assistant] Did you name a name? Oh, yeah. I just mentioned our buddy Greg Doyle thinks Jeff Saturday, he wants a job, he knows, but he thinks he might be in line for it. I don't know, this feels like, Breach, is this job worse than the Cardinals job? Yes.


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[Assistant] Maybe they hire Jeff Saturday, David Culley and Lovey Smith to try coach.


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[Assistant] And then just fire, fire them all at the third of the way through the season and fire another one. I don't know that the answer is like, I wouldn't want to subject to Brian Flores to this. I think we talked about him earlier as being a good candidate in some possible, some landing spots. D'Amico Ryan's is absolutely, you don't want that as your, that's one of those things where if you're, you'd pull a Josh McDaniels thing, now I'm going to pull my name out. Cause this ain't a good fit for me or anyone on planet earth. Dan Quinn, can Dan Quinn?


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[Assistant] Uh, Breach mentioned Brian Flores interviewed there twice, so I don't know if he can go back to that well, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Damico seems, seems certainly like a, like a reasonable cocktail.


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[Assistant] He may get hired. I mean, look, if Jeff Saturday breaks the damn of inexperienced coaches getting head coaching jobs, maybe that paves the way for Josh McHale.


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[Assistant] And I think as Breach mentioned about a previous job, you get, uh, maybe the Carolina job, you get someone in there who can coordinate up the offense and is good for Kyler. But Kyler has to make sure he understands the rules. Cause here's the situation I can envision. Kyler coming off the field telling Brian Flores to calm the F down. Like that feels like that happens once and then you end up picking yourself off the grass after you get punched in the face by your head coach. All right.


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[Assistant] Frank Reich. That's a good one too. That's a good one. I just wonder if he has the discipline in place to handle the personality that could be a conflict.


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[Assistant] Let's start at five. Let's start with the worst one. What's the worst one? I think cults is the worst job. I think it's cults as well. Breach.


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[Assistant] I think it's Houston because they don't have a quarterback. They do have the number 2 pick, the number 12 pick.


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[Assistant] But you know what you have in Kyler, even though he's not going to be a hundred percent Kyler until November, you don't know what Bryce Young will love as CJ Stroud is going to be. And also you go into a bad football team and the owner.


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[Assistant] Part of me that, and I don't know, I don't have any inside information, part of me wonders how much of that is just politics with Steve Cahn trying to make sure he looks...


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[Assistant] So that's how you're talking about Steve Keim. And again, this isn't just a Steve Keim thing.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, alright, so you agree to, uh, breach four is Houston?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't actually, god dang it, I almost almost said a naughty word. I can't disagree with the Princeton on that one either.


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[Assistant] Caroline is 21st in salary cap space as we see here, 1.6 million, but again, that could all change in the coming weeks. Um, Breach, you agree with that?


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[Assistant] I don't even disagree with you, but I already can tell, and Brenton's 100% going to jump on this bandwagon, that you guys are going to treat the 2023 Denver Broncos like the 2022 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That is going to be...


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[Assistant] I was out until you mentioned NIL money, but I mean, if that's what you're going for, yeah, you might as well butter them up.


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[Assistant] Just like doing the project and like kinda doing a little bit of work, but still getting the A. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Alright, I will go with Trevor Lawrence, and I will say he throws five.


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[Assistant] passing touchdowns in thi last week, obviously with I say that because Kansas passing touchdowns this se red zone percentage ranked gave up touchdowns 67 ish time when they got there, is throwing a bunch of tou


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[Assistant] Chiefs have been keeping a lot of teams close throughout the year. They were actually one of the worst teams to bet on this year, so yea, that's what I think.


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[Assistant] I mean, I just said Trevor Lawrence is gonna throw five touchdowns, so yeaah, I like the over.


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[Assistant] I don't know why actually. That's a good point. I didn't even connect those two, but yes, that's true. He ran for 144 yards back in week 14 against this team.


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[Assistant] Shady's gotta be, I mean. Shady has the record at 217. Deuce or Westbrook? We got Deuce with the, has 201. Great call on Deuce. Van Byrne has 205.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm gonna get, I'll be right there with you. I'll go A- as well. I mean, you're talking about a dude that...


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[Assistant] Should, should light, not light it up, but at least should have a respectable number.


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[Assistant] So, let him roll with it as he moses on over.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go with Joe Burrow, throws twice as many touchdowns as Josh Allen. Specifically, he throws four, which is tying a career high. Josh Allen has two, Bengals win.


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[Assistant] No, I want specifically four and two. He doubles them up. I would just say double up because at least it gives you


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[Assistant] You should go anytime touchdown to Mark Hamlin. That's much better.


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[Assistant] You can't just like score a touchdown and then like throw up the three or something.


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[Assistant] I mean, there was zero fear from the Bengals in that game. They took the ball to start the game. They were throwing it all over the field. I think that they like this matchup. I know obviously the offensive line is going to be a huge issue, but...


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[Assistant] I think they have a little bit of swagger going into this more than other teams. Than going into Buffalo.


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[Assistant] And it's that CD-LAM takes Travarious War to school, to the two and the three touchdowns.


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[Assistant] Was getting absolutely cooked by GK Metcalf. Two touchdowns, 136 yards, 10 receptions, a lot of that was against Ward. And you can beat the 49ers deep, as good as this defense has been, that's one weakness that you can attack them with, and Dallas certainly has that capability with Lam.


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[Assistant] And I'll add this. This is CD Lambs. That would be CD Lambs Career High.


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[Assistant] I'll go, I'll go B+. I mean, it's, it's bold. You add a little, it added two touchdowns to me, I guess adds a little bit more boldness to it. CMC's certainly capable of all that. I'll give you B+.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you this, Brynson, Christian McCaffrey did do that once in his career back in 2018, 125 yards rushing and a rushing touchdown, 112 yards receiving and a touchdown.


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[Assistant] And by the way, that one game, that was Dec Prescott on Christmas Eve. You probably didn't know that. That was a fun fact you gave me earlier. I'm gonna go with my favorite duo. It's an obvious one, if you're Breach. Jalen Hurts and Gardner Ma- I'm not going that way. Come on now. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take the layup here, Sully. I'm gonna take, uh, Devonta Smith.


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[Assistant] Ah, man, so let's see here. Uh, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do, Breach? Let's see. Oh, another easy one. He took Trey. I'm gonna take Makeupist Patrick. What are we doing?


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[Assistant] Alright, well last pick of the draft, reach, uh, Britson. Who is your Mr. Irrelevant?


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[Assistant] Well, uh, we're in communication and, uh, and, and we should be talking later today.


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[Assistant] Uh, our leaders, uh, including Tyler and spoken with a number of leaders already.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, we already got snow. It's all great up here in the northeast.


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[Assistant] I would say one of my questions would be maybe contact and practice. That's obviously reduced over the last few years. I wonder if that.


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[Assistant] I'll give you one more before we get into the rest of the stuff. I mean, we have seen over the last few years, coaches become more aggressive on fourth down. I mean, we saw it on Monday night. Clif Kingsbury going forward in New England Patriots territory twice, not being able to succeed. In another world, those are six points being put on the board.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I feel like we talked about this over the summer a little bit, and it does feel like Vegas, the market, the oddsmakers are still trying to figure out these win totals for an 18 game schedule. Cause it, I do remember us having a conversation over the summertime.


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[Assistant] About how some of these, these win totals felt a little bit skewed, whether it would be too low or too high. I think most of it we were saying that they were kind of low. I mean, I think you were looking at Kansas City. I remember Kansas City.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's just, you know, we look now obviously at San Francisco with a little bit more of a...


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[Assistant] A wondering eye because we don't know if this proc purty things for real still. I mean, obviously he looked great against Tampa last week. He's looked good over these last couple of weeks, but you just wonder, okay, is, is the bubble going to burst or things going to go awry? I don't necessarily foresee that happening. I think this game is gonna be fascinating because


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[Assistant] You have San Francisco in a realistic shot to get the number two seed and again, that doesn't mean as much as it did in years past, but for Seattle.


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[Assistant] This is the season. You have Detroit nipping at your heels. You're on the outside looking into the playoffs. Obviously Washington and New York play each other, but this is as close of a must-win game as you can get, and I'm trying to find it right now. Historically,


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[Assistant] They have done well in this matchup with Pete Carroll as their head coach. They're, uh, where is it? It's their 8-3-1 against the spread at home against the 49ers since Carroll, uh, under Pete Carroll since 2010.


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[Assistant] And so obviously, and so that again changes the calculus because again, you can look at some of these trends and you have to kind of be smart about how you, you digest them because yeah, eight, three and one against the spread at home over the 49ers since Pete with under Pete Carroll since 2010. That's great.


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[Assistant] But you have to throw those caveats out there. They had a different quarterback. The 49ers are in a different space. These two teams are playing differently coming into this game in 2022.


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[Assistant] I like the 49ers, but it does feel like, you know, this could be a kitchen sink game for Seattle. And if they're getting three and a half at home, that also is pretty interesting.


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[Assistant] I'm right there with you. Again, I like the 49ers in this spot, but if I were to make the case for Seattle, you have one of the best home field advantages in the NFL.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a kitchen sink game. And as much as I like Brock Purdy, I feel like I keep bashing on him or keep questioning him.


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[Assistant] He was a seventh round draft pick for a reason. Like there is that, that narrative of, yeah, he had a great game against Tom Brady and the Buccaneers last week at home. Now you go on the road in one of the more hostile environments in the NFL. How do you respond?


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[Assistant] I think he should be able to pass the test, but there is that variable where he starts to look more like a seventh round draft pick than he does this kind of shocking phenom that we've seen rise up.


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[Assistant] Thursday night. Oh, right, Thursday. I'm thinking Saturday. Sorry.


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[Assistant] I think the big variable for this game is the status of Mike White. I think that they're assuming that he's going to play, but you know,


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[Assistant] You can never really know what kind of effectiveness he'll have, obviously, if he's dealing with rib injury or anything along those lines. I mean, we saw it with Justin Herbert a few weeks ago. It's sometimes tough to throw. It's gonna be cold up here at MetLife. That's a tough thing to do. And you have a Detroit team that's


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[Assistant] Just firing on all cylinders. Like you said, I mean, they've just been insane. 6-0 against the spread over the last six weeks. It's basically since this turnaround.


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[Assistant] But New York is gonna be a tough challenge for them. I mean, this is not a team that...


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[Assistant] is anything to be trifle with on the defensive side of the ball. They are able to go toe to toe with you. So as much as Jared golf went off for three touchdowns last week over 300 yards.


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[Assistant] That's against the Minnesota Vikings defense that is the worst in the NFL in passing yards allowed. Now you go up against the Jets team who are 5-0 against the spread in the last five games following a loss.


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[Assistant] They do play well in these spots. And again, I don't know if I want to look at Detroit as a losing record, even though they technically are, but the Jets five and two against teams at losing records. There's seven and three against the spread in the last 10 games overall. So just as much as Detroit is trending upward.


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[Assistant] New York is right there with them. Again, I don't know if they're as hot. You know, I don't think that they're capturing that kind of narrative, but they are very much in the playoff conversation. They're very much a good defense. It's just a question of how effective can Mike White be with his injury?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I thought you, I don't know, I've tried doing that a couple of times. It's tough to do. But I've seen the stats everywhere, so I don't know.


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[Assistant] At least worth bringing up when we're talking about this matchup.


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[Assistant] There is some familiarity here between the Jets coaching staff and Jared Goff. Obviously Robert Salah, the former defensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers. Jared Goff, obviously famously quarterback for the Los Angeles Rams. There was some time there where they were going toe to toe against one another in that NFC West.


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[Assistant] Obviously, they're all on different teams, there's different weapons, they might even be completely different.


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[Assistant] Offensive play calls in this matchup, but I do wonder if there is some stuff that Salah can look at and say, hey listen, we had some success against golf when we did this XYZ.


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[Assistant] Does that help them at all in this game? But the other thing that I was wondering, and I'd like to get your kind of opinion on it, if Mike White came out of that game fully healthy, same result, same everything, it's just he comes out healthy, there's no issue, what, is this still a pick'em?


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[Assistant] This is uhm, I mean we talked about it in the press coverage yesterday. This is a massive game for both of these teams. It's funny because...


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[Assistant] Detroit has the longest playoff win drought. New York has the longest playoff drought. Both of these teams are trying to get in and obviously New York last night just got booted or over the week in week 14 got booted out of the number 7 seed. Detroit's on the come up. This is


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[Assistant] A must win game for both of these teams. So it's going to be fascinating to see how it plays out. I actually lean a little bit more towards the Jets. I know that seems a little contrary.


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[Assistant] Well, my thing is, I just wonder if Trevor Lawrence can keep this up. I mean, he's been playing out of his mind over the last few weeks. Ten touchdowns, no interceptions, over the stretch.


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[Assistant] He has been looking like a number one overall pick. And we just saw in Dallas, I guess, I think these teams are a little bit similar, maybe for different reasons, but Jacksonville has been frustrating this season because they've shown what we saw last week and then they'll have like a terrible outing the next.


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[Assistant] So you don't know what you're getting in this matchup, but Dallas is kind of the same thing. I feel like they always play down to their competition. They're as talented as any team in the NFL.


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[Assistant] But for whatever reason, 17 point favorites going up against the Texans and you have two Dak Prescott interceptions and you're on the brink of losing that game, you're able to pull it out.


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[Assistant] I wonder if this is another one of those scenarios for Dallas where, you know, obviously it's only four and a half, but it's just, it's a field goal game.


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[Assistant] Trevor Lawrence continuing to play at a high level. Dak throwing a few picks and all of a sudden it's, uh, you know, five minutes down, down, down in your, your trailing by six points and you have to go get down and go get a touchdown. That's my concern for Dallas.


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[Assistant] But even beyond the, like, the records and stuff, because both of these teams are making the postseason. That is, this is a more of a...


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[Assistant] You know, as much as you want to talk about them possibly creeping up to the number one seed and winning the NFC East, this is also a, hey, statement playoffs down the road type of game. These two played earlier this year, but Dak Prescott wasn't there. This was Cooper Rush's while he was still sidelined.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm gonna go under 42, and that's in the Dol- I'm just checking to make sure that that's correct. Yup, still 42 in the Dolphins-Bills game in Buffalo.


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[Assistant] We've seen over the last few weeks, this Dolphins offense be a little bit sluggish. People are deploying press coverage on their receivers. It's thrown off the timing with Tuitanga Wailoa. All of a sudden you have


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[Assistant] Maybe Tyreek Hill dealing with an ankle injury might not be playing in this game. And we're also talking weather. Weather could be a factor here. It might snow.


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[Assistant] You know, I thought I saw him up to seven inches, but who knows? It's going to be cold. And that to me, I think is going to be the bigger thing for a Dolphins team who needed heaters reportedly on the sideline in Los Angeles at SoFi Stadium.


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[Assistant] That's, but that's the kind of impact that you have when you're down in the warm climates. All of a sudden you get into those freezing temperatures. It is really a shock and it's a big advantage for Buffalo in just kind of hammering home the fact that Bill's


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[Assistant] Nine and two of the Unders hit in the last 11 games. These, you know, as much as we look at the Buffalo having this high powered offense, and I think it, I think this might be a popular play to go over just because everybody might expect.


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[Assistant] It's, it's low. You might expect the Dolphins to get right. Buffalo, I think just gets perceived as this high octane offense, which they are.


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[Assistant] You're talking to backup quarterbacks probably in that game. Obviously we don't know what's going to happen with Russell Wilson, but.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you this though, Cole McCoy looked good last night.


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[Assistant] But the offensive line is a huge issue, but he was not the reason they lost that football game.


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[Assistant] You're going to, Denver's defense is still solid, but, I don't know, it's, it's, you're going from Kyler Murray to Colt McCoy, that's not as steep of a drop-off, I think, as, as some other teams going to their back-ups.


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[Assistant] Man, we got Raiders and Patriots too. I see Raiders minus one. Oh, I got Raiders plus one. Weird.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Josh McDonough's revenge game. Again, this is, I feel like I'm a broken record talking about the Patriots offense like this, but we watched it last night. It's still not good. They had that, they had one good drive with the Hunter Henry 39 yard catch after the, after the interception. Outside of that,


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[Assistant] The narrative was going to be Mac Jones dropping f-bombs at Matt Patricia and this offense continuing not to look great. The offensive line is an issue. Max Crosby and Chandler Jones are probably going to be able to feast on these tackles.


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[Assistant] I don't, I, Raiders are obviously capable of making those types of mistakes. We've seen them do it. I mean, just last week, they make plenty of mistakes. They lose to Baker Mayfield for two days being with the Rams. They lose to Jeff Saturday. This team is perfectly capable of losing games. But I do wonder,


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[Assistant] There's a lot of inside knowledge with Mac Jones in this offense with Josh McDaniels on the other side. Does that help them even more shut down that offense? And so for me,


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[Assistant] You're, you're talking about guys getting hurt on the other side. I don't necessarily know what's going to happen with Jack Jones. He left that game, but he's been their best corner, arguably. Jalen Mills wasn't able to play last night.


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[Assistant] It's possible. It's possible. I just, I wonder, does, does just the talent went out? Like, yeah, okay, we know what you're doing, but.


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[Assistant] We actually can execute it. We have players that can, can rise above it. I mean, we don't know what Damien Harris' thigh injury is going to be. We don't know what Remandre Stevenson's ankle injury is going to look like. So you're talking about Pierre Strong and Kevin Harris again leading that backfield because the Patriots want to run the football.


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[Assistant] It's, it's not, it just feels like a tough situation for me to believe in them unless this defense just continues to dominate and score points on their own.


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[Assistant] And we talked about it a little bit. Trevor Lawrence is playing his best football since he's entered the NFL over the last five weeks.


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[Assistant] You're talking about a guy that's completed nearly 72% of his passes, has a 111.7 passer rating, 10 touchdowns, no interceptions, he's rushed for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] And it's not like he's going up against bad defenses either. Like, you know, it's the Raiders, it's Kansas City, it's Baltimore, it's Detroit who's been playing well. We just were talking about them. And Tennessee's no, nothing to squawk at either. I mean, he...


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[Assistant] Is playing like a number one overall pick, the clear cut guy that we thought he was going to be coming out last year. Obviously the Urban Meyer situation kind of threw it all out of whack, but under Doug Peterson, things are starting to click.


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[Assistant] And if he can continue this hot streak against Dallas...


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[Assistant] That's certainly live and like you were saying too, Dak Prescott been a little loose with the football since he's been back. Obviously a couple of interceptions last week. If that continues, you're going to give Trevor a white hot Trevor Lawrence short fields. Right now that feels like an automatic touchdown.


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[Assistant] Their last game was against the Giants in MetLife Stadium and they were laying two and a half points.


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[Assistant] It's just that feels like a weird number, especially when we might see Saquon Barkley limited down the stretch here with that neck issue. It's like we're saying nobody's healthy for them. They just got blown out by Philadelphia.


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[Assistant] This is the only thing I'm gonna say. This is the only thing I'm gonna say.


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[Assistant] Had four turnovers and at the end of the game still had a chance to win. Says a lot. We didn't hear Michael Parsons name the whole game until the last four minutes when Lane Johnson got hurt, which is a big thing for the Eagles. Like if he can't play, it was an abdominal injury.


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[Assistant] You didn't hear Micah, Micah Parsons name the whole game until he left. Like that, that, like he, he, he hasn't let up a sack in two years. Like he's one of the best tackles in the game right now. So losing him and then losing Avante Maddox earlier in that game really hurt.


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[Assistant] I'm not worried. You know, I feel like Jalen, Jalen plays that game. We don't have four turnovers. You know, even the running backs from when the ball, I don't think that happens just because, you know, they're used to the way Jalen hands the ball off and things of that nature. But for me personally,


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[Assistant] I had a great Christmas, uhm, that even boss didn't hurt my heart at all. And I'm, I'm ready for my team to gear up for the playoffs, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Houston is typically better than Jacksonville though. This is kind of the first year that the tables are turned and Jacksonville is a better team. Although there were seven point dogs in October and lost to Houston because they just can't get that monkey off their back. Like you're saying, Jacksonville's defense 25th in pass yards per play. Houston's lack of run game probably not going to matter because you can throw in Jacksonville.


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[Assistant] But Houston finally got its win last week that they've been trying to get the last few weeks playing hard for.


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[Assistant] I don't know if they can risk losing the number one pick to Chicago now by, by going all out in this game. Jacksonville's offense has been hot. Only scored 19 Thursday, but bad weather versus an elite defense. That's not bad.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think the line should be over seven if we know Jacksonville isn't wrestling players at all, uhm, and going forward hard. So I would lean to the Jacksonville side, uhm, at four right now is where it is. Maybe a better play in the first half in case the starters don't play the full game for whatever reason. But if Pete's saying they're going to go hard, I think Jacksonville covers this game against Houston.


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[Assistant] The look ahead was seven. It seems like the market's finally giving up on Tampa to drive it down this far. Or maybe they're very impressed by Carolina's offense and boosting their rating a bunch by beating the Lions. But I think some people weren't buying fully into anyway.


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[Assistant] Carolina's offensive coming off a peak performance. They're facing a tougher pass D here. They're also not going to have the same massive holes to run through. I mean, they racked up all those run yards, but it was like just anybody could have ran through those holes early in that game. I don't know what the defense was doing for Detroit when they had played so well against the run. I don't know if that's repeatable for them to do against any team, particularly a Tampa Bay defense that's getting healthier.


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[Assistant] Carolina was also windless on the road before their win in Seattle in Week 14. So I don't know if I trust them that much going on the road in this massive divisional spot here. Uhm, I was hoping to wait and see if it would tip to two and a half. I don't think it's going to at this point. I think three is the floor. Uhm, and I think Tampa should probably be a little bit higher than that, probably four points. So I have Tampa minus three is the best bet.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to think, you said Timothy Biakabatuka, I thought it was like what, Tishminga or something like that? Yeah, we call him Timmy P. Okay.


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[Assistant] We'll talk about the game in a minute, but they're dealing with a bunch of cornerback injuries in New England too, and I think they're going to have to throw it because New England's going to score points against Miami, so.


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[Assistant] Look, the thing is, with the worst matchups, you gotta get the best talent in there to make it exciting for people and pick it up. So only a commentator of Brady's caliber can make this game exciting.


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[Assistant] No, I trust you. I just don't know that this team is any good. You said these teams are about even and Atlanta doesn't have a home field advantage. So the line at three and a half, I loved Arizona as a best bet. You have to worry about motivation for any teams like this at this point of the season. So that throws, you know, a wrench in the gears there. So who knows what's going to happen there, but Arizona has the rest disadvantage and play to overtime game. So,


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[Assistant] I think that is a good spot for Atlanta there. And Ritter looked better as a passer against Baltimore in tough conditions.


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[Assistant] But I still don't trust him. I don't think you can lay more than a field goal with a bad Atlanta team. I locked it in at three and a half earlier today. It looks like it's now come down to three, um, because professional quarterback Colton McCoy is under center.


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[Assistant] New England in that game last week, especially to defense pitching a second half shutout. Defense is now top five in sacriate interception rate, but you're right, Bridgewater is capable of running this offense. I already had the Miami power rating depressed with 2-1 not looking right over the past month from where I had it a month ago, a month, you know, five, six weeks ago.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I think this line should be closer to Pickham, uhm, even though it is a good spot for, for New England. I'm still not sold on New England's offense. The last 13 touchdowns New England has scored as a team have included five non-offensive touchdowns. So when you look at the box scores and their point totals, they look, they look higher than they actually are if you just judge by how the offense is playing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but the problem is Miami's defense, when they go on the road, they allow 31 and a half points per game and their 29th in interception rate overall. Mack Jones hasn't thrown, has thrown one pick in the last seven games.


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[Assistant] And uhm, so then it might come down to Bridgewater being able to, to, you know, operate that pass offense, which when you have those weapons and you have that guy calling the shots, you know, I still like their chances to keep it close. So I'm surprised that the over-under is ticked down. I would have liked the over, I was leaning over anyway. So at 41, I might make that a play too. Not in our podcast, but just in general.


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[Assistant] He's also had some tough situations. That first game's a throwaway, haven't played in two years. We knew he wasn't going to play well there. Most people figured he wouldn't play well there. And then he's had tough, tough matchups or conditions last three games, Cincinnati, Baltimore, and then that, that win game last week.


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[Assistant] And Washington's past, he just got torched by, by Brock Purdy, um, who looks like a good quarterback. Nothing wrong with Purdy, but talent wise, Watson should be able to do the same if he, if he is getting better. And Washington's offense downgraded with Carson Wentz starting. I don't know why they're going back to Carson Wentz, but that's what they're doing. And I watched him earlier in the season and he should not be running this offense. Um, so I think after replacing him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm replacing Heinecke with Wins. Uhm, I don't like Washington as much. Things is finally the spot for Watson's first game. So I would take Cleveland at the plus two.


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[Assistant] I laid the five with the Giants when it was five early in the week and it creeped up to six. It's down to five and a half now it looks like on the site. I kind of like the Giants still at that number. I'm only leaning to them at six at the number we're picking. If they came alive offensively in a good matchup, lost on that 61 yard field goal and a regulation, something that only happens to Giants fans over and over, just ask them.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Indy's playing out the string with fulls of quarterback. Dee has struggled in recent weeks too. I think Havon Thibodeau should feast on that Indy offensive line. I don't see Indy scoring much at all in this game. They did get screwed a bit on the schedule with two fewer days rest, too. The Giants played Saturday, Indy had to play Monday.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Giants looking to lock up that playoff spot before playing at Philly and not needing that game. So it'd be a huge coaching advantage if they can, they can just, it's a huge coaching advantage already, but then if they're motivationally, they need this game so they don't have to worry about next week.


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[Assistant] Now, I have the, I have the obvious teaser, Seahawks plus seven and a half with Leap 1 plus 8 that you guys were talking about, uhm, because we had, the lines were where they were, we locked it in, otherwise that had Miami in, uhm, as the second leg of my teaser at two and a half.


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[Assistant] It feels like the Seahawks defense has crashed, what we say every week, but they only allowed 21 to San Francisco and 24 to Kansas City. I mean that's not awful.


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[Assistant] Um, and it's a long travel spot for the Jets. They've, they've done this the last three times they've had to go to Seattle and play. They've scored 13 points collectively as a team. I don't like.


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[Assistant] So trust our defense here, uhm, to keep it, to keep it relatively low scoring and look at the under 2.


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[Assistant] If you're listening, if you're listening to this right now on this podcast and you don't get Miami plus three and you're thinking, should I play it two and a half? I would say tease it, tease it with, with the Browns as opposed to teasing the Browns and the Seahawks together.


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[Assistant] Right, three and three is a better number. You take the value with the three. You don't tease off the three because you're giving a value. You want to tease at two and a half, two, one and a half because getting through that key number of three is very much, much more valuable than just getting off it. If it is three, if you're going to tease a lineup from three to nine, that three is going to cover up more often that it just makes sense to play the three than then to tease it because you're losing some value on the teaser there.


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[Assistant] Didn't you just say that you think the Steelers and Jets are getting the AFC playoff wild cards?


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[Assistant] I was just confused at why you're throwing the Jets in there and stealing a wild card if you have them losing this week.


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[Assistant] Like Pete said, against the Giants offense, that typically doesn't pass well. I expected more from the Packers offense against Miami. They kind of needed their defense to get some gift picks. Three of them from Tua.


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[Assistant] And to get back in that game, I think, you know, but this is a bounce back spot against this defense.


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[Assistant] The Green Bay defense didn't play that well against Miami until they got those gift picks. They gave up too many big plays. Power ratings say it's around a fair line. Minnesota is just 5 in 10 against the spread in the last 15 games at Green Bay. So this is a...


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[Assistant] Tough spot for them to go out and win. And they typically haven't played outdoors in December much. Over the last few years I went and looked into it. They somehow avoid these games a lot.


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[Assistant] They got, they had to play two last year outdoors in I believe Green Bay in Chicago. Did not play well in either of them. Their last outdoor game this season was week 10 in Buffalo in similar conditions. They've had five home games and played at Detroit since then. So they're not used to going outdoors and playing.


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[Assistant] I don't know if they're going to be used to the situation here, even though it's not going to be that cold. I mean, it's like Britain saying, well, there's a lot better this week than it was last week. Can you, can you imagine that team having to go outdoors after all this layoff playing at home and play in those conditions last week? I don't know if they'd have scored anything.


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[Assistant] I think that was close to the right number. I think the Rams blowing out a bad Denver team doesn't warrant the move. Rams defense is better at defending the run than the pass, so we know Chargers aren't going to run much anyway, so I think that works into the Chargers advantage.


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[Assistant] Chargers defense has been playing better over the last three weeks and the Rams offenses pinball back and forth to being really good or real bad. So we could get the bad version I think at this point. Uhm, so I think they, they don't rest players either. I think they go for the five seat. I think this line's too low, but because it is the Chargers, I don't want to lay too many points. So it's just a really strong lane at this point, six and a half.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh's defense big game was expected against Derek Carr in the cold. Couldn't stop the Baltimore run game in week 14, however, Baltimore rushed for over 200 yards in that game. And then in the two weeks since, they've, they've kept it up. They're, they're averaging basically 200 yards per game over the last three playing at an elite level running the ball.


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[Assistant] Baltimore's defense, third in rush yards per play and second on third down. Pittsburgh's been really strong in both those areas offensively. And if Baltimore's defense is locking those two down, it's going to be really hard, I think, for Pittsburgh to score points. Baltimore, they were unlucky to score three at Cleveland. You look at that game, blocked field goal, rare, rare missed field goal.


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[Assistant] And two turnovers inside field goal range. They were inside field goal range five times and they scored three points. That's not typical for that type of game. Only other loss since week six was by one on the road to the searching Jacksonville team that needed the Trevor Lawrence, you know, signature game that everybody's going to talk about for years now. That's this coming out party there. And that's the only loss that they've had besides that, that ugly Cleveland game.


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[Assistant] So, Buffalo's offense has an elite pass game, as everybody knows. Now they are number one in rush yards per play at peace point after that game, and they're number one on third down too, so they need to get it all done offensively. They finally look like a number one seed at Chicago, but it took a little time. That game was relatively close, I think it was an eight point game, and they scored like two touchdowns in the last four or five minutes, and just out of nowhere.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so we'll see if they can get something going in the run game here. The reason I can't play the Bills is because since he's 12 and 1 against a spread in our last 13 games, winning all these games, they shouldn't be dogs at home to anyone. Even the Bills team, if you think the Bills are the best team to lead, they're not that much further ahead of the Bengals. You throw in home field prime time, I just can't see making Cincy underdogs. So I would play Cincy if I was going to play this one.


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[Assistant] That was too much for the market. I kind of wanted to play it if it got to 14 with Denver because coach firings kind of help, especially really bad coaches want to play a big dog in the first week with the interim coach. Uh, but the line's already dropped one point. I didn't want to play it with Denver at 12 and a half.


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[Assistant] I think their defense could have, I mean, they had forced three picks in week 14 and kept it close there. And turnovers like that, if, if McKenzie is going to do it again, it makes covering a big spread hard. So big, big total of a big spread of 12 and a half for a small total of 45. I think Denver covering is the most likely scenario.


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[Assistant] What if the Chiefs lose one of these two and they end up with, can they end up with a three seed?


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[Assistant] I mean, what if they're, they're like, oh man, they were competing for the one seed the whole time and they end up like the three seed people.


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[Assistant] I didn't see them almost lose into Houston, but they're, they're not playing that well.


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[Assistant] As a rush defense against Carolina, they gave up 250 rush years to Chicago earlier in the year. Maybe this matchup is trouble. Chicago's defense is allowed 25 plus points in eight straight games. So Detroit at home is going to score a bunch too. I like the over. I didn't want to play with it creeping up a little too high for me, but it is definitely a win.


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[Assistant] Look ahead was five and a half. Line jumped to seven for some reason. Uhm, even though Saints won and the Eagles really battled some turnover problems with Minshew, even though he had a relatively good day. Uhm, it was an awful day for the Philly defense. That delete versus the pass and struggle versus the run. They had the vice versa.


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[Assistant] Um, uh, trouble there because they cannot stop the pass at all in that game. New Orleans offense 6th and pass yard per play. So, so they are actually pretty solid in the pass game, but that means Chris Olavi to play because J. Jarpis Landry is on the IR. So if Olavi is not in this offense, I don't really love the pass offense as much.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but if Hertz is out and Olavi does play, six and a half is too much for me saying you're likely the right side, but it's not a play you can lock in right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, 10-2 much for me. When I thought Carr was playing, I kind of liked it at six, six and a half because San Francisco's had no trouble covering with Purdy. Um, but I don't know what to expect with Stedham here. I mean, he, he does have a little history with McGaines coming over from New England there. So maybe he can operate this offense a little bit better, but at least San Francisco run defense takes away the Vegas strength. We know they want to run the ball.


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[Assistant] To Kansas City. And their offense had 6 yards per play even without McCloud's big touchdown last week. Uhm, and that's against a solid Washington defense. So San Francisco's just playing too well to get in front of that train. Weighing 10 on the road.


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[Assistant] It's tough for me though, I couldn't do it with San Francisco. I would have to lean Vegas, but I'm not gonna play him.


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[Assistant] That's what I'm saying, man. I'm excited to be back. Excited to be with you, Will. Obviously Billy too, behind the scenes. I got to talk to Billy before. So, uh, yeah, it's been, it's been a little, little couple of weeks now since we've gotten together.


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[Assistant] We're trying to make more of this than it actually is.


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[Assistant] So we're not going to talk about the Jets bills at all. You just brought up for no reason and you want to move on.


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[Assistant] In all seriousness though, like, give Mike White a lot of props.


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[Assistant] He was taking some body blows in that game. And you look like Rocky out there.


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[Assistant] Right, Apollo Krieg or Mr. T or whoever else would've, Ivan Drago just body shots all day to him early. Uhm, but he's played well. He has played well. I'm not sure what's gonna happen now this week. Uh, Zach Wilson's been elevated to number two, which you gotta ask yourself, why hasn't he been number two all along?


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[Assistant] What's transpired and what's changed since they benched them in the first place?


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[Assistant] He, he, he's where he is. I mean, I don't think over the past few weeks anyone's really noticed him. Probably. Uh, to be quite honest.


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[Assistant] No, it's just the truth of the matter is, I think people have been more swept away by the offensive improvement in the passing game with Mike White. At least that's been more my impression of it. And I think this past week was one where


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[Assistant] Probably could have came out of the game, depending on the injuries. I mean, uh, I know Jim Nance and Tony Romo are on the call. Romo, it was the first to break the fact he's got broken ribs, plant broken ribs. Some call that wild speculation. Other people call that typical Tony Romo call. I digress.


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[Assistant] Like he's playing through getting shot after shot from the Buffalo Bills and you know, you're looking at it going like this is the sort of thing that wins over a locker room. This is sort of thing that like when you're still fighting in a game.


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[Assistant] Keep your team in that game, uhm, it wins over those guys. And now they're calling them an effing soldier, uh, is the quote I saw. So, you love to see that. Like, regardless of, you know, how you feel about Zach Willis and Mike White.


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[Assistant] You love to see any time players are rallying around their quarterback, and that's what Mike White has brought so far. And I do think they've got a formula to be able to compete with the Bills. When you look at them defensively, the sauce gardener, the job he did on Stefan Diggs, the secondary in general, uhm, you know, you look at the way they can run the football, control the line of scrimmage, like all they need is someone to go to distribute the football.


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[Assistant] As they continue to build on the wide receiver position. So you've got to love the progress they've made. The big question is, will they, they're now not in the playoff picture.


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[Assistant] Panthers, Jaguars. You've got a lot who are on the prowl. On the prowl. In pursuit, hot pursuit. I'm not sure that, maybe that goes to the cowboys, you know.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't know about that one. It was like a frat party.


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[Assistant] I think most quarterbacks are great in that system. I mean, Nick Mullins, it's one of the reasons why the Vikings traded for him. CJ Beathard, uh, Jimmy Garoppolo has most success with Kyle Shanahan. Not that he really played much with New England, but, um, I, I think when you look at him in there and the fact...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, you look at Matt Schaub has been in a Pro Bowl caliber, right? RG3 wins, offensive rookie of the year. Uhm, you start going through the list of quarterbacks, we've had like career years. Even Brian Hoyer, I think one of his best years was in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] So if you really want me to dive into like the deep history of Kyle and what makes him so special is he grew up


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[Assistant] On basically from his dad, I think everyone knows that, but it's more of how he was trained.


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[Assistant] So he would be responsible for drawing the scout scene cards at a very, very young age.


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[Assistant] And so what he started to learn was really defenses and how they would align to certain personnels, to certain formations. And so from that, he then knew and could kind of figure out and predict, and this has more to do with the running game, the exact look he wanted you to get into. He, he knows basically every single game he walks into.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Eliza Mitchell. Uhm, every one of those guys.


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[Assistant] And in recent history, like, whatever running backs we're talking about that he's had, they're getting to the second level. Like, they're getting to the second level, body on body, and it's basically you trying to make that forced defender the extra defender miss. And that's all you can ask for is a running back. And he does as good of a job as anyone in doing that. And you can see week by week, like, break down the film and you can see it. So, woah. Am I still here?


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[Assistant] In them teaching the game. Like that was the biggest thing is, and I think it's one of the reasons why they've all gotten head coaching jobs because


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[Assistant] They end up being great teachers. Like they can walk into an interview and you can ask them, put them on the board and they can go boom, boom, boom, boom. Like here's offensively what, you know, we like or what this does defensively. You know, this is the kind of style of defense we run. This is why here are our strengths, here are our weaknesses. Here's how you exploit it.


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[Assistant] Like they can go about, you know, creating those schemes to do that. And that's what the entire system is all about.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, it doesn't take into account quite as much, like if you look at a west coast offense.


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[Assistant] It doesn't take into account quite as much like the timing or rhythm in the passing game with the footwork and that coinciding with the footwork of the receivers. A lot of the concepts that like I remember running back, whether it was with Charlie Weiss or Josh McDaniels, yes you had your 7 step or 5 step drops, whatever the case was.


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[Assistant] But you kinda had to find the rhythm within that, that play. Like you couldn't just group a bunch of the drop back quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, or drop back plays into this category of plays and say, oh, your footwork's the same for all of them. It wasn't. And it's like that too in the West Coast offense to a degree. I mean, sometimes you have to, and especially during where you're throwing to, like there'll be times when you'd have to throw five and plant to your first read.


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[Assistant] And depending on who that guy was running that skinny post or that bang A post, like you're going to have to chop that down pretty quick because that dude's so fast. He's already at his, his cut point or his break point and the ball's already got to be out. Otherwise you're late. You're thrown behind or that windows closed. So.


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[Assistant] Every offense is different. One of the things I always appreciate I think about.


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[Assistant] Like that with the New England offense was they did a great job of preparing the quarterbacks to understand exactly what you're getting from the defense and understanding the defense's weaknesses and how you can exploit that. Now, in saying that, that makes it a much more cerebral game and it means after the snap of the football,


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[Assistant] You're really confirming everything you saw before the snap of the football if you already don't know before the snap, meaning


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[Assistant] Because of your empty formation and you displace a running back or tight end all in the outside, you know based on who's across from him, whether it's man or zone. And then from there you start looking at the safety rotation and then what the front looks like and who's in the box, who's not in the box to start to discern what type of zone coverage it is.


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[Assistant] Or, or man coverage it would be if that's the case. So, you know, all those things are things that, you know, is common to New England, but other staffs do it too. Ka Shanhan obviously does that too, uh, even though he doesn't come from that tree.


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[Assistant] But you look at the way he knows how to kind of align things based on the personnel groupings.


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[Assistant] I think the, I think the hardest thing for him is, is early in games just figuring out how teams are going to play George Kittle, how teams are going to play Christian McCaffrey and, and I would have said Debo Samuel before his injury, which it seems like he's going to be out the rest of the regular season now, but even him, like how are they going to play him when, when Debo Samuel and Christian McCaffrey are in the game at the same time and they're both in the backfield at the same time, right? Those are things that sometimes teams will play at the same, sometimes they'll play them different.


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[Assistant] But that's really the, I think the only question marks he has going into games. It's not what he wants to run and how he's gonna run it. It's how he gets to those run plays and how he gets to those plays to set things up off one another.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it gets lost too because they haven't won that Super Bowl. They haven't had that sort of success. Like Sean McVay gets that title because of the manner in which he explains it to the media, his relationship with the media, and the fact that they've been out at two Super Bowls and they won one.


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[Assistant] In a short time as a head coach, and you have to look at it and say, it's pretty incredible what Kyle Shanahan's done, no matter who his quarterback is. Uhm, I just, you know, that's, that's a guy that you look at and go, yeah, every, every quarterback wish he could have played for Kyle Shanahan. Because the one, like the thing that I think he does the best,


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[Assistant] And not a lot of, uh, you know, coaches get enough credit for this, and this is probably the single most important job, is not like trying to make a quarterback something he's not.


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[Assistant] You know, if you look at the success right now of Brock Purdy, when he's the one with this offense.


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[Assistant] You know, he's played great. His was one star, the spot work before that. He's played great. He hasn't been asked to do a ton either. And even when you go back and you look at like the touchdown pass before the end of the half, right? It's a two minute drive.


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[Assistant] Like one of the things you don't want to do to complicate things for a young quarterback who doesn't have a lot of experience, especially a rookie in this case, is you don't want them to have to read through a, you know, a big progression.


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe, maybe you could say, alright, he can have a full field progression, that's fine.


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[Assistant] But you don't want to get too caught up in like trying to read coverage and complicating it. You know, there's sometimes where you'll have things called coverage reads. Meaning, based on the coverage, it's going to dictate how you go about reading that play. It's not just like one high, two high, right? Where if it's a single high safety, I'm gonna read this side. If it's two high safety, I'll read that side. There's simple plays that are drawn up like that.


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[Assistant] There's some that are like very coverage specific because hey, this route might break into a post instead of maybe it's just a normal go route if it's cover four based on what number two is doing. So there's, there's all sorts of different things that I complicate some of your reads.


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[Assistant] What did he do? A double move. How easy is that? You basically sit back and say, look, if the shots there take, I want you to hold, keep your eyes on the middle of field, hold the middle field safety. I want you to look at the top of your drop over at the corner. If he's playing off, if he's playing off, give him a good pump because his eyes are going to be on you and then toss it deep. How hard is that?


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[Assistant] Like, literally, like, you, you, you practice doing that in high school, junior high sometimes. You know, a double move. You're, you're already taking a variation of what you're already overthrowing in that game, which were deep curls, and you're basically getting your receiver to chop his feet at that same move point, and then move downfield. And Jamel Dean ended up falling forward, and there lies a touchdown.


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[Assistant] It's simple things like that where he plays to the strengths of his quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] To allow them to succeed, it doesn't put too much on their plate, so they play fast, they play decisive, and they end up being good decision makers in that case. When quarterbacks don't know what they're seeing, or the game's moving fast and they feel like it's looking gray or fuzzy, that's when you typically make mistakes.


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[Assistant] So, he doesn't put his quarterbacks in that position. And obviously they run the football well too, which takes a lot of pressure off.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean. That's what a lot of quarterback play is. I mean, the number one thing I think when you look at quarterbacks coming from college and the NFL is, are they good decision makers? You know, what's their touchdown and interception ratio? You know, when you're watching them on tape, you know, are they understanding when to throw the football away or not throw into traffic? Like those sorts of things. Are they going where the football should be going? You know, however you want to go about dissecting that. So,


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[Assistant] I think he coaches them up in that manner to prepare them to do all of those things. And so far, you know, Brock Purdy's done it.


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[Assistant] I think he gives them a shot, uh, if he continues to execute this way. And if they play the type of defense they are and run the football they are. Yea, of course they can move on and win a Super Bowl with them or go win a few games in the playoffs. But, you know, you touched on Mike Leach and I know at some point we'll get to Mike Leach.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to talk about kind of the, you know, relationship I had with him and the stories and all that. A lot of people have told stories. I've kind of shared some on Twitter. Uhm, the one thing that I feel like that gets overlooked is his impact on the game of football.


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[Assistant] Oh man. And like, he makes you, he made you and teams defend the entire field, which you see more commonly now in the NFL than ever before. And I think he, like the thing that I appreciate the most that he did as a coach.


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[Assistant] Was he stripped away a lot of the complexities of what an offense could be? And he basically said, I only need a little sheet of paper and these concepts, and I'm going to, I'm going to make sure our execution is the most important thing.


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[Assistant] And I think the thing that he did that impacted not only, like, the other coaches that you see now that are head coaches that do a tremendous job, whether it's Lincoln Riley or, you know, even Cliff Kingsborough, obviously, who rolled this into getting a head coach job in the NFL, or anyone else who wants to throw into that category, right? I mean, Dave Aranda's in that tree, so many people. The thing that stands out to me is he,


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[Assistant] He practiced like for example a corner out in every coverage.


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[Assistant] So like when I was coaching, I was like, oh, if it's cover two and you don't have a guy who's, you know, the typical smash concept, right? You're going to have like a hitch and you have like a corner out.


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[Assistant] Well, he would coach guys into basically being able to throw that corner out, no, regardless of what was underneath it, into whatever coverage.


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[Assistant] And why that's powerful and why that's, that's, you know, especially because it prepared quarterbacks when they got to the next level to be able to make throws and shape throws and be passers, not throwers. Whereas some guys, you know, they've never thrown that ball before in their life, so they don't know how to throw it with arc and pace to get over the cornerback in front of the safety and right on the sideline where it needs to be.


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[Assistant] And so he was able to basically say like, look, you can throw whatever you want against whatever coverage, any concept. You just gotta figure out a way of throwing it.


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[Assistant] And it's unique to him because he was an artist, he was creative like that. As a person, it's just how he saw the world. And then how he, how he saw his perspective of the world and applied it to the game of football.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I was there. I went to Lexington. I saw Tim Couch play when, how long was the head coach and Mike Leak was there. See, that was my first introduction to it. And I remember sitting, watching it going,


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[Assistant] Holy crap, you play football this way? I mean, like where I was from in Columbus and Ohio, like people running wing D, they're running the power eye, like these more traditional offenses. I'm like, you can run five wide, you can put four guys on one side and one guy on the other. I was like, this can happen.


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[Assistant] Were you there for, were you there like, uhm. No, so my uncle, Steve Slates.


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[Assistant] He played for Kentucky. So I family in Lexington, I used to go down and when Tim couch is there, of course you want to go see him, especially when he was about to become, you know, the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. I grew up a fan. So my dad, when I was young, would take me down to Washington. So that was like about 98, 99.


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[Assistant] So I was probably in, uh, well it was 98, 97, somewhere in that ballpark, so I was probably in junior high at the time.


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[Assistant] Uh, so, so I'd go see him and, and I eventually was recruited by Kentucky, but it wasn't like that. I mean, it was purely about just the enjoyment of seeing Tim couch and then watching an, an offense. You watch the.


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[Assistant] The best part was I think they played like a directional school and it was like a two directional school. It was like Northwest Missouri State University or something like that. And so they hung probably like 60 on them.


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[Assistant] And I just remember that air raid horn kept going off over and over and over and over again. And you kept seeing all these like couch for Heisman shirts and everything else. I think I might have bought one at one point. Uhm, but it was just fun to watch. I mean, it was so unique compared to anything else that was going on in football, not just college football, like in the NFL everywhere.


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[Assistant] And now, honestly, like, you look at some of the concepts and how they're applied to the NFL, and it's a little different in college because the hashes are wider and the way you can, you can displace players in the field.


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[Assistant] A lot of those roots are still there. And I think the confidence now to sit there and say, it's fourth of one we're going to throw, you know, like, like we're completing a high, high enough percentage of balls. Like we're going to throw the various screens and concepts that are all part of it. I mean,


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[Assistant] All that, all that should be accredited to Mike Leach. When you talk about like the kind of the pirate stuff, the swing your sword. The thing that stood out to me is how he figured out how to stand out.


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[Assistant] Like he's so unique in the sense of, there was no one else who was like him, who talked to the media the way he did, who saw the world the way he did.


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[Assistant] And, you know, he was at these programs on like the outposts of college football.


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[Assistant] He found a way to work with those smaller budgets, uhm, and work with Wes to maximize it. I mean, what he did at Texas Tech, what he did even at Washington State, when you think about how competitive that program was during his time there, the Minshew Mania, and that whole story of how, I mean, have you ever heard the story of how Gardner Minshew got there?


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[Assistant] It literally was a phone call where Mike Leach reached out to him, and he just said to him, he said, hey,


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[Assistant] Do you want to leave the country in passing? That's what you're going to do if you come here. And sure enough, Gordon Mitchell's like, hell yeah. And he, and he gets there in summertime, he wins over the team and the rest is history. And you know, I remember like being a part of that calling some of those games and


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[Assistant] It was so much fun to be around and it's important too because like Mike Leach didn't make it about any one player. He made it about the team. He really did in the essence of all of it and he treated everyone the same the way he went about talking to them and treated the media all the same the way the conversations you'd have with you.


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[Assistant] But that was what it like was what struck me the most is like he really did make it more team oriented and just the way he handled things. But again, it's.


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[Assistant] It's sad, you know, thoughts and prayers, obviously, you send those out to your family and friends. It was just, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, it was always a pleasure to be around Mike.


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[Assistant] There needs to be more transparency. Every situation and case is unique. And I hope.


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[Assistant] Alright, it's my hope that they find a way of getting rid of that to allow Mike Leach in. Cause you really can't tell the story of college football and the impact that he's had with his coaching tree and the players who become coaches who've gone on without talking about Mike Leach. Amen, brother.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's one way of looking at it. I mean, my first thing would be, you can't make the decision you made in the offseason with Steve Kahn, Cliff Kingsbury, and Calla Murray, and then not be able to, you know, swallow a bad season.


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[Assistant] I mean, you didn't have your best player in your entire team the first six games.


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[Assistant] If you looked at their schedule too, I think I pegged them at two and four, sit three and three at best. I think they ended up two and four. Uhm, so that was about what it was going to be. And you lost Channel Jones in the offseason. Their defense has had issues getting pressure. I mean, Zach Allen looked great this past week, but uhm, it hasn't really been like that the entire year. They've given a bunch of chunks in plays in the passing game.


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[Assistant] So, you know, there were some holes there to fill, and they've been, they've been snakebitten the whole year. I mean, Kyle already missed some time this season.


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[Assistant] Their offensive line has been banged up at times. Obviously, Hopkins was out, but it's not just him. Hollywood Brown was out for a period of time, too. That's why they went and got Robbie Anderson. Uhm, you know, the backfield's been banged up. I mean, you could just look throughout. Zach Ertz is no longer there. I mean, literally, like, I know we feel like when we talk about injuries, like, it's making excuses because other teams battle through, through injuries.


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[Assistant] Those teams though are so stacked and the roster is so much better suited.


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[Assistant] To be able to withstand that. The Cardinals are not, you know, they're not that roster to be able to withstand that. So I think when you factor it all in there, if Michael Bidwell wants to just pull the rug from out underneath everyone and blow this thing up,


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[Assistant] I just think it's going to set back the organization where you give this thing another year and you see how all, see if you can continue to build on the roster, get more, get more depth there, but see what you can create from all this and give it another year. And then you can evaluate where you're at at that point in time.


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[Assistant] To me, I think that's the best course of action because obviously the year hasn't gone the way they wanted it to and they're not going to be able to finish the way they want to or even have a shot at the end. But it also didn't go the way it wanted to for the Rams either. You know, if this is all about Michael Bidwell being so mad that two teams from the NFC West were in the playoffs last year,


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[Assistant] And it being that whole story and they, you know, obviously weren't able to, to win their wild card run. If it's really about that, then how are you going to view this year? Cause Seattle is now starting to slide back.


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[Assistant] You're looking at a Rams team that's not going to the playoffs. And then you've got a San Francisco team that's without its, you know, starting quarterback. I'm referring to Jimmy Garoppolo, not Trey Lance, but it was without Jimmy Garoppolo having started rookie and we don't know how it's going to impact their playoff hopes.


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[Assistant] I also think you have to learn from your mistakes. And I'm not taking a small sample size with what Steve Wilkes has done in Carolina is saying that, you know, moving off from them was a mistake. He could have learned a lot from that experience and now applied it in Carolina, but they're four in four.


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[Assistant] Because you had a bad season. And I know it was, you know, maybe historically bad for the franchise, but you know, Josh Rosen struggled. You're a starting rookie quarterback.


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[Assistant] Uh, clearly that played a factor into all of it, too. Uhm, I wanna say, was it- Your GM wasn't there for six months because he was suspended? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things you could chalk that up to. I think you made that swift decision. You bought into going into the, hey, we're traffic column really number one overall. Cliff Kingsbury, they have a rapport. He could build an offense that will suit him. You bought into it, then you extended them.


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[Assistant] So are you really gonna go back on the decision that you just made, like nine months ago?


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[Assistant] To me, let Coolerheads prevail, let the dust settle in the desert, uhm, after the season, and move on to 2023.


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[Assistant] I'm not calling anyone an idiot, but you do, you do have to, like, look back at your decision making and have to, well yeaah, that's because, you know, roughly so, but.


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[Assistant] You do have to look at your own decision-making at some point and hope that you're sharpening yourself by looking back and saying, okay, this is the mistake I made last time, I'm not going to make the same mistake this time. I also think, you know, you hired a first-time head coach in Steve Wilkes, right?


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[Assistant] Well, then, then look at, you're hiring your first time NFL head coach in Cliff Kingsbury. So give him some time to, to grow into the position where they've continually gotten better every year. Like every single year you can look back and go, got better, got better, got better, taking that step. This is the first year where maybe you take a step back. But again, I think if you blow the whole thing up,


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[Assistant] Then you might be taking like three steps back and who knows if you ever get back up to being a team that's going to compete.


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[Assistant] In that division, uhm, with the way it looked at least last year, I mean, I would actually take more away from that saying, hey, we were a playoff team amongst, you know, a couple of teams that, you know, ended up also going as well. Uh, there's a lot more we can take from that applied moving forward.


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[Assistant] Just don't hit the panic button now. Cause I feel like when you do that...


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[Assistant] It takes a long time to build a backup. And after, I remember being a 10 and 6 team in Cleveland my rookie year.


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[Assistant] And then the next year, us being injury ridden, I think we went 4-12 the next year.


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[Assistant] And then as soon as Randy Lerner blew that thing up, there was never any traction there the rest of the time he was an owner. And then Jimmy Haslam takes it over, and he's never finding any traction.


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[Assistant] And the problem is because you kind of hit the eject button on this grand plan that everyone pitches to you every year, every other year.


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[Assistant] And you eject early. It's like you never even got close to going to the destination. And now you got a team that's half built for one general manager or one head coach. And then you got a guy coming in who's trying to clean up the whole mess. It takes a while to turn it over. It takes more than just one offseason.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they, they wanted to lose. I mean, look, he, the guy's got it all, right? He's a head coach. He's too good looking. That's the problem. He's so damn good looking, like he was in the notebook. He wasn't. All right. That wasn't him though. Like, will people get this right? And, uh, and yeah, it's like, what's the downside? Like the guys just live in a,


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[Assistant] Living a great life. I mean, you know what it was too, I think they saw him in their like, war room or whatever house they rented where he was kicked up, laid back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so like ever since then people are like, I just got everything. And so they're just jealous. They just, they hate on them, but they need to be patient.


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[Assistant] If, if anyone's spent time around Cliff, they'll know, like, he's a grinder. Like, that dude is, he's a grinder, he knows ball, he knows what he's trying to get. Unfortunately, some things just have not worked out for them this year. Uh, they should be patient.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause then you got a guy named Patrick Mahomes who came in, you know.


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[Assistant] Cool. Okay, let me just say, the beginning of the game, as much as they were like freaking out about like, it was three for six at one point, they were like, oh my god, I can't believe he just completed that in route, and you're like...


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[Assistant] Spanish. He was freaking out about it. I'm like, okay, now once you get to the two minute drive, that's where I said to myself, okay, that's unbelievable. Like that was legit. Granted, Rob Havenstein should have gotten called for a seven more holding. Yeah, I mean, it would have changed the outcome of the game, but I digress.


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[Assistant] It's for him to do what he did in that moment. That was special. Like bottom line for a guy coming in two days prior, that was special and he deserves a lot of credit for it. By the way, so much so that I'm gonna go and say this.


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[Assistant] The way McVeigh celebrated, like, that was unlike anything I'd seen from him this entire year.


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[Assistant] I feel like Baker's kind of rejuvenated him. Like, dare I say like...


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[Assistant] I think Baker's the quarterback maybe he needs right now moving forward, not Stafford, who like has gotten everything he wanted now, like he's got the Super Bowl, he's got, you know, Hall of Fame stats, I mean,


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[Assistant] Baker's hungry and like he wants to come there and try to go to a Super Bowl and win one. And I just, I kind of look at it and go, I think that might actually revitalize Sean McVay too with how he sees this. Like tell me I'm crazy, but I think, I think McVay likes challenges and he's looking at a guy right now who


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[Assistant] Not a lot of people obviously were, are high on at this point in his career. If he could build him up to be able to go to Super Bowl, win one.


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[Assistant] That puts him in a rare company, right? Like three Super Bowls, granted he's won one, didn't win them all, but if he was to have Baker go to one, that's what Joe Gibbs, Bill Parsons,


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure, Bart, ourselves has been to three, Gibbs took three to three, three different ones, McVeigh would be the other one, which is like to me pretty remarkable. Now granted, like, look.


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[Assistant] Like Baker might believe in UFOs. That's okay. We want to do that. You know, some people feel like Matt Stafford may have like not helping the lady up when she fell off the stage. Like Baker's not going to do that. You know, he's going to help her up. I think no.


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[Assistant] Did I stop when I was back at home to help a guy who like literally drove off the road into a ditch.


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[Assistant] When I got up to the car, I realized that there may have been some things going on inside the car that caused that to happen. Uhm, but I did try to help them, although they didn't want any help, and I tried to advise them not to drive the car any further into this little ravine they were in.


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[Assistant] I was like, well, you're gonna be more stuck. Cause you're already pretty stuck, but like, if you drive that thing forward, you're gonna be stuck even more.


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[Assistant] And sure enough, I asked one last time, I said, do you need me to call an ambulance? Do you need me to call anyone? They said no, we're good.