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[Assistant] One, that shotgun is loaded with buckshot. My ability to defend myself with a handgun, I have a greater likelihood of hurting myself with that handgun than I am defending myself. So I just feel way more comfortable with buckshot in my short barreled


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[Assistant] Rather 12 or 20 gauge. And I bring some bird shot in case I see the forest chickens running around.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, you don't want to walk past the grouse. So, uh, that's what I carry when I go back in there. I'm not carrying my rifle. I'm not carrying my bow. I'm carrying a shotgun. And people probably think, Newberg, you've lost it, man. And maybe I have.


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[Assistant] But I feel way more comfortable walking into a bunch of meat, hanging in a tree in grizzly country with a shotgun in my hand.


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[Assistant] than anything else. So I know everybody will say, and when I hunt, you know, when I'm archery hunting and rifle hunting, I'm, I'm carrying bear spray. I don't, as I explained, I'm so terrible with a handgun that


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[Assistant] That would really be a bad idea, uh, for me to try to defend myself or anyone with a handgun. Uh, but I know some people would go the opposite route. They're like, no, I don't use bear spray. I'm using a handgun.


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[Assistant] The first encounter I had with a grizzly bear was in archery season about a mile from the spot where you and I were just talking that you said I was shooting grouse while you and Lauren were


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[Assistant] I'm walking along the trail in cowcalling and I look up on this hill where there's a little clear cut and there's a herd of elk standing there.


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[Assistant] Maybe it was me. So I start walking down, keep walking down the trail cause I'm thinking there might be a bull elk where they were looking down into the trail in front of me. It looked like maybe a hundred yards in front of me they were looking at something just based on the angle of where their eyes were locked in.


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[Assistant] So there's a little rise in the trail and I start coming up that rise and when I get to the crest of the rise in the trail, here is a monstrous big ol' boar grizzly bear walking down the trail my direction. That's what they were looking at for this grizzly bear.


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[Assistant] And my whiny elk cow calling, I'm sure, sounded to him like, man, that sounds like a lost calf.


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[Assistant] I think I'm gonna go have me some dinner and we come, we make eye contact probably 10, 12 yards from each other.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's longer, further than that. He was so big, maybe he looked at 10 to be only 10 yards away and he was 20, but.


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[Assistant] He turned and took off and covered ground so fast as he took off running down through the bushes in deadfall that if he would have decided to come towards me,


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[Assistant] He would have been on me before I could have even got my hand to my bear spray.


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[Assistant] Yep. And I, it's like, whoa, I am so lucky that that was not a sow with cubs. Cause she wouldn't have run. She would have come to me to protect her cubs. This was a solo bear, great big bear who just said, you know what, I don't like humans. And off he went down into the brush. But.


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[Assistant] That gave me a first hand experience of how quick it happens, how unprepared I was, how the adrenaline


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[Assistant] Kicks in instantly and I was just, I don't know what I would have done quite honestly. Yeah, I would have scrambled to get my bear spray out.


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[Assistant] But I couldn't have got it out, got the, you know, the lock mechanism off it.


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[Assistant] I mean, I would have, if I would have been carrying a sidearm in a holster, he would have been on me before I could have ever drawn that, that sidearm.


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[Assistant] I now have no false ideas that I'm gonna do some John Wayne Clint Eastwood thing on a charging grizzly bear.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to be able to do it folks. Some, maybe some people can and hey, you know what? I'll have more power to you. I, I couldn't. So that's, uh, so that also.


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[Assistant] Go against all of the recommendations they have for bare avoidance. You know, talk loud, make noise, go in groups of two or more, uh, you know, all these things. It's like, wow.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, that's fine, but we aren't going to kill many elk doing that. So, that, I agree with you, that's the wild card, the probably the highest risk part of what I might be doing when I'm out there is the actual


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[Assistant] The act of hunting, of being quiet, stealthy, calling, putting the wind in my face.


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[Assistant] Following elk tracks or following something that has my mind distracted where I'm really not even paying attention.


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[Assistant] I think if I ever get eaten by a grizzly bear, it's probably not going to be in my camp. It's probably not going to be while I'm carving and cutting a grizzly bear. It's going to be because I have a really bad encounter, like I just described with my archery hunt when I had that encounter.


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[Assistant] And it's probably gonna be that unfortunate time when it's a sow and cubs rather than a big old boar.


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[Assistant] And for me, or maybe it's a big, big ol' bore that...


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[Assistant] Like you'd mentioned, and I hadn't thought about this, but he's already on a carcass and you walk into his perimeter not knowing?


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[Assistant] And he sees you, he's like, look, I already had to whoop three other guys for, to keep this car, cause I'm coming to whoop you too.


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[Assistant] I've told my crew that if there are two camera guys with me and I get attacked by a grizzly bear.


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[Assistant] The camera, camera number one is required to film. Camera number two better try their best to get this grizzly bear distracted so that he only maims me and doesn't kill me.


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[Assistant] Would be to die up in the woods and have a grizzly bear consume me and convert me back into soil.


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[Assistant] That's my wish. I don't want to be buried in a casket. I don't want to be cremated.


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[Assistant] And some of the places I hunt elk, she often tells me, you know what, that, that,


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[Assistant] Final wish you ask for. You keep hunting those places, you might get that final wish.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so if ever I do get attacked by a grizzly bear, don't any of you criticize camera number one, because he's been told his job requires that he captures this on video. Now camera number two, if he drops his camera and runs to the truck, he's fired.


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[Assistant] Well, I guess the reason that I felt this was a worthwhile topic for a podcast is how many emails we get. You and I get questions on it all the time.


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[Assistant] The fact that some of the best elk hunting in the Northern Rockies is in grizzly country. And you just gotta, gotta be bear aware as they call it.


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[Assistant] Learn what is required to be bear aware and, and let go do it. I, I mean.


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[Assistant] I, I, back to your point about your first night in grizzly country. Yeah, you lay there and every little squirrel that drops a pine cone, you want to blow him up like Bill Murray did in Caddyshack with the gophers. But after you get more comfortable with it.


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[Assistant] You do start to enjoy the fact that it's usually good elk numbers, less hunters and


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[Assistant] I don't want people to quit hunting those places or to be there and be in such fear that they don't have any fun, that they don't enjoy it at all.


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[Assistant] Don't you have a chapter in the university, the online course, the University of Elk Hunting about this?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would put grizzly bears further up the food chain than any of the other critters that we might encounter out there. Mountain lions, they intrigue me to no end. I've only seen one stocking a white-tailed deer while I was out hunting. Uh, all the other times, all I ever see is their, their tracks.


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[Assistant] Uh, I've been on some chases with hounds where we've treed lions and stuff, but


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[Assistant] Uh, there again, I, I know in some places, yeah, you read about the jogger in California or Colorado who gets attacked by a lion. But I, I think relative to the lion numbers and the amount of people running around and doing things in lion country, the percentage of, of


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[Assistant] Problems is minuscule compared to...


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[Assistant] Well, how can people get this module in your online course?


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[Assistant] My, my life experience is that the more informed I am when it comes to something like grizzly bears, the more


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[Assistant] And knowledge brings confidence. Confidence eliminates fears.


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[Assistant] I'm comfortable hunting in grizzly country because when someone reads a news article, you know, Bozeman Montana hunter eaten and killed by a grizzly bear this year and they'd look and say, Oh yeah, Randy Newberg got ate by a grizzly bear. They're all going to say, yeah, see, why was I listening to that guy? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and uh, the reality is I look at where I did my film permit applications for my Idaho, Wyoming and Montana outcomes this year.


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[Assistant] But I'm going to use all the things that we just talked about to try lower that risk. And I know that there is, that there does not exist a zero risk scenario.


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[Assistant] Well, one time I was doing some research that was trying to create equivalences, uh, and this was to put my wife at ease.


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[Assistant] Other than we both, since she likes to fish, we both concluded that it would be a shame to die of getting electrocuted on a golf course. You've lost in life if that's where you die.


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[Assistant] So, she was fine dying while fishing and I was still there. Well, just like, you love to fish, so you're fine taking those risks for fishing.


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[Assistant] I'm fine taking those risks for hunting, so we're equal here. So, she just looked at me and gave me that, you're really stupid mister.


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[Assistant] But Corey, we've kept the audience for a while. I'd hate for you to miss out on your afternoon of going and laying a big sidewalk full of flags down.


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[Assistant] Uh, like the self-inflicted pain like you do, it probably makes complete sense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, if somebody sees me walking around Bozeman today and I'm humped over like Quasimodo or something, yesterday was my first hike with a real heavy pack.


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[Assistant] I've been back to my hiking routine and I'd loaded my pack way heavier than I should have.


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[Assistant] And I thought, oh, I got this. By about five o'clock, I was two and a half hours into this hike. I was dying. And uh, I woke up this morning. I'm like, whew.


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[Assistant] You sure I'm not 85 instead of 55? My goodness. So if any of you see me walking around town with a cane or a walker, it's because I put way too much weight in my pack. You shouldn't go from a 25 pound pack to a 60 pound pack.


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[Assistant] If it counts for anything, you know, the tax deadline got extended until two days from now and I got a big callous on my middle finger over here from holding a pencil.


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[Assistant] Well, my wife just bought five acres. Is there any way she could pull you out of retirement to come to Montana and build a house for her?


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[Assistant] We'll probably end up reselling it because we'll argue about what size of house and who's going to build it for 5 or 10 years.


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[Assistant] They say if you can build a house, your marriage survives building a house, you've got a good marriage. We've built two of them.


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe I'm pressing my luck to think we're going to build a third one. Yeah, that's just, uh, just strengthening your marriage.


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[Assistant] I get enough time in a tent every year. I get, you know, many, many weeks in a tent. I don't need more days in a tent because my wife and I are arguing about what color of paint to put on the guest bedroom or something.


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[Assistant] But before they go, so we did get a bunch of questions about the


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[Assistant] Corey Jacobson calls. The people are asking, what calls should, what diaphragm calls should I use? And I know you're bashful, you're modest, you're not going to talk about your line of calls, but


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[Assistant] Don't you have like a package that has a bugle tube, a cow call and a double read or something that is like the Elk 101 series?


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[Assistant] Every once in a while it comes up and we touch on it, but at some point in time,


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[Assistant] Maybe we gotta give the full rationale for all of it and yep.


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[Assistant] The cold shoulder treatment is like the most painful thing, like oops, I really stepped in it this time.


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[Assistant] So when I go hunt, I set up like 75 yards have the shooter in front. Uhm, I don't know if it's more or less effective to have that shooter cow call while I'm out back bugling. So it sounds like there's a cow in the middle between two bulls and if that's going to draw that bull in closer or not or. So you're talking


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[Assistant] And the podcast is also brought to you by OnX Maps. And with OnX Maps, you can know where you stand with the most accurate hunting GPS tech on the market with land ownership maps that work offline.


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[Assistant] We're also proud to partner with Sitka Gear and if you go to SitkaGear.com you'll see their full line of clothing and their tagline is turning clothing into gear and they are doing that through advanced technology that allows you to stay in the field longer, hunt harder, and stay safer.


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[Assistant] You know, we said that as we started the podcast here, that all the technology came right up the first try and we were, we could hear each other. And that's kind of a first for us. We're thinking about starting a podcast on running a podcast. Cause it seems like we have more knowledge on how to hit record.


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[Assistant] You know, sometimes there's a lot steeper learning curve than others, but I think that a lot of times we get that bottleneck of what gear do I need? What equipment do I have to have to do this?


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[Assistant] I see the same thing in those comments, you know, people asking, uh, what do you guys use for this or what do I need to get for this? And, you know, I'm kind of with you that I think we put too much importance on the equipment side and not near enough on the, the knowledge side, at least from a planning and the initial, uh,


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[Assistant] Just trying to prepare for it or get ready for learn about it and i wouldn't know where you're going with that nine hundred percent with you.


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[Assistant] First invest in yourself, you know, whatever that is in the time, in energies and whatever you can put into learning as much about


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[Assistant] You know, whether it's the animal you're pursuing, the terrain, the habitat, any of those things, but there's so much that you, uh, you know, that you can learn and you are truly the greatest weapon you take into the field with you. It's not the bow or the rifle. It's not the backpack or the boots. As important as those things are,


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[Assistant] Uh, they're not the most important thing and they're not kind of the, they're not the foundation that you need to be building your passion for hunting on it. It needs to start with you.


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[Assistant] Uh, and invest in you, then use the code ELKTALK and it's going to save you 20% when you sign up, so. Pretty good investment, I think.


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[Assistant] Teaming up with you, we were in elk and we saw elk every single hunt, uh.


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[Assistant] After that, so. And that's why I didn't personally add that content to the course when I created it, because I knew that, yeaah, I can add generalized stuff that's going to help people, but I wanted to make sure that what we had was the best of the best, and that's where I think you


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[Assistant] I think it's great and they all kind of uh, kind of tie in together so I think we can just pick one and I'm sure it'll lead into another.


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[Assistant] Hey, can I, can I interrupt you really quickly? Yep. What, what is, what do you consider the difference to be between wind and thermals? Cause I know a lot of people ask that when I start talking about, hey, we got winded or, you know, keep the wind in your favor or what are the thermals doing? I think a lot of people,


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm not sure what answer you're looking for there, but when I think of prevailing wind, I would say no, I've had gusts that are higher, but uhm, you know, and I think for me, my eye was really open. I hear people talk all the time, you know, in certain areas that they get in, uhm, and the wind is, you know,


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[Assistant] Wind is howling all day or middle of the day, the winds going back and forth and a lot of the areas that I hunt and I haven't experienced that we have really consistent thermals midday. A lot of times we'll get an afternoon wind that I think comes in as those thermal start competing consistent thermals midday. A lot of times we'll get an afternoon wind.


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[Assistant] I would say no, that I haven't had a prevailing wind that's more than 20 miles an hour, but a lot of times we'll get gusts that are, but as far as a sustained wind that's more than 20 miles an hour outside of Wyoming, I haven't seen too much of that.


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[Assistant] And that's, that's absolute truth. And you know, and, and going back to the thermals, uhm, not being more than 10 miles an hour, once they settle down and start going the direction they're gonna go for the, the remainder of that period, uhm,


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[Assistant] They usually aren't too strong, but during that transition period where they go from up to down, uh, sometimes they can get pretty gusty and you can have these huge just gusts that come up out of nowhere. It's just clear blue sky, uh, not a cloud in the sky and all of a sudden this big gust of wind comes up and especially in the afternoon during that change.


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[Assistant] It just seems like it's a little bit more violent, uh, during that transition and you will get some gusty winds and it'll blow uphill and all of a sudden you get calm for like 30 seconds, you let out a bugle and all of a sudden the wind starts gusting down the hill.


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[Assistant] Um, and that's that transition of the thermals and I may be even just providing a little bit more information on thermals. Um, what we have, they're called diurnal thermals and that means, you know, die twice a day. So they change direction twice a day.


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[Assistant] And it's the competing temperatures of the air that causes that change. So warm air rises and cold air drops. And so when it's cold, think middle of the night, the thermals are moving down the mountain. And then during that transition period, when the sun comes out and the air starts getting warmer,


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[Assistant] The, uh, the air is typically moving up the hill and then of course in the afternoon when the shadows come out, it starts cooling the air and cooling the ground. The ground cooling off cools the air and starts pulling it down and so the thermal switch and move down the hill. So just that basic understanding of the diurnal thermal.


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[Assistant] Uh, that we experience in the mountains is important to understand because uhm, that's kind of going to, for the most part, dominate the


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, there's a lot of different factors that can contribute to that, but anytime you have a storm front moving in, you know, you'll sometimes see wind gusts expected 20 miles an hour out of the northeast.


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[Assistant] And that's a directional wind that's not related to the thermals. And so I think that that's important to understand for, for an elk hunter, especially in the mountain states.


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[Assistant] I absolutely obey the law of the thermals. You know, it's, it's one of those things that I just, I stress over and over and you and I have talked about it, you know, in person at least quite a few times how important that is, but I'll, I'll stop during a hunt and say, what, what direction is the wind going? Meaning thermals. I think, you know, we, we just habitually.


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[Assistant] Uh, thermals are going straight down the hill. What just happened? Why are they switching? And it might be another hour and a half.


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[Assistant] In that thick timber or down in the bottom of the drainage before the thermals actually change and start coming up.


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[Assistant] You know, all those different things and that's typically when I see the biggest, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, I remember last year we had some cloud cover on opening day here in Idaho, which was August 30th and we got out of the truck at 530, 545, something like that and the thermals were already coming up the hill. Like it was just so warm out and then the cloud cover just basically trapped all that warm air overnight.


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[Assistant] That transitional period, it just seems like, you know, you're standing on the ridge, thermals are coming up, you drop 10 yards off the ridge and all of a sudden they're going down and the bull's across the draw on a, you know, north face and so it's just all of that different.


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[Assistant] Use them and definitely take advantage of that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but that, you know, it brings up a really good point when I, when I talk about being able to control the wind, uh, not being able to do that, but controlling how you use it.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's because, you know, you've got your hot air rises, cold air drops, and so elevation-wise, directionally, that air, when you have thermals that are prevailing, is either moving up the mountain or down into the bottom. And just that little bit of knowledge and understanding of thermals,


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[Assistant] Can help you really take advantage of it because if you get a, like you mentioned, if you move across the thermals coming up on your side, you have an elk bugling across the draw on the other side of the mountain. You get up above him because the thermals are up on your side and then realize the thermals are moving down and you're directly above him. The gigs over. I always try to approach that elk from a direct side hill approach.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you can still call elk in, you know, they might circle down below you, but if you're set up in the right way and have the shooter down below, knowing that the elk's gonna circle on the downwind side to get the scent and have the shooter set up down there in the setup before the elk even can get in and smell you.


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[Assistant] That comes, that comes, I think, into my, uh, engineering background, just being a geek about diagrams and understanding those technical details and then, uh, looking to improve efficiency and it's funny cause I, I coach, I'm coaching high school basketball right now.


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[Assistant] And again, talk, you know, meaning the thermals or the wind, but I'm a hundred percent with you that you can just douse yourself with cow and heat urine to the point that you can't even, you know, your eyes are watering because it smells so badly.


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[Assistant] No matter how much of that urine you spray all over yourself or you drip down the back of your neck or whatever, Delk's not gonna smell it. The only way he's gonna smell it is if the thermals are taking it to him, and if the thermals are taking that scent to him,


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[Assistant] It's not covering up your scent, it's mixing with your scent and he's gonna smell you and that cow and heat urine. And there are times that an elk will be so out of his mind in the rut that he will forget about the human scent that he just smelled and come walking to it. But that's a...


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[Assistant] That's a 1 in 20 or 1 in 25 experience and encounter, and I'm not putting my eggs in that basket. That's, that's too low of a nod.


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[Assistant] Too low of a chance to take on an elk hunt, so I don't even, don't even mess with them. I play the wind, obey the wind, and everything else I think for elk hunting is... Can I go as far as to say a waste of time and a gimmick?


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[Assistant] No, and I think, you know, for me, I've used scent control sprays before, you know, a scent neutralizing spray, and I used to use it pretty religiously. I mean, every time we'd go out, we'd spray down a thing, I'd carry a bottle of it in my backpack, and if we were moving in on an elk, we'd spray down before we started moving in, and


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[Assistant] And I've had some experiences where I thought, and that really did work. The thermals were going his direction and he stepped into the shooting lane or he came a little farther than he otherwise would have. So I think it might buy you a slight advantage in.


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[Assistant] 90 degree cone, it might tighten it down to a 75 degree cone and that bull might come another 10 yards into a shooting lane before he, you know, before your scent is strong enough that, uh, that he catches it and detects it as being danger.


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[Assistant] But the minute you breathe and the minute you start sweating and the minute that, you know, something that you touched didn't get sprayed by it, that goes out the window. And to rely on it, I think is, would be very foolish for an ilk hunter.


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[Assistant] You know, and yes it is, and I think that that's a good time to make that point, that I will never use a product


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[Assistant] And we start talking about sponsors and partners and all of this. And you know, in the hunting industry, there are a lot of people that are trying to make a living in the hunting industry or making a living in the hunting industry and relying 100% on sponsors, you know, through producing content. When we produce content,


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[Assistant] I will never bow to a jumping ship from one product to another because one of them is offering money and the other isn't, or one of them offers more money. Uh, you nailed it. If it's in my pack, it's because I 100%


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[Assistant] Believe in it and feel that it contributes to success in some way.


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[Assistant] No, and honestly it's, like I mentioned, if you are, if you spray yourself down with a scent control product, it might work, I'll say 1 out of 20 times where it's like, wow, that elk really should have scented me.


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[Assistant] And he didn't. This stuff really works. Maybe one out of 20 times that'll work, but the other 19 out of 20 times, if you had learned about thermals and paid attention to them and were very diligent and strict in obeying the law of thermals as you approach that elk,


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's far more important to invest in that knowledge, understanding how thermals work, how elk rely on them, how you can use them to your advantage. And yeah, it takes more time, it takes more effort, it takes more energy to, to gain that knowledge.


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[Assistant] Then it does to go and buy a ten dollar bottle of scent spray, uh, but it's going to be far more.


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[Assistant] I would be very confident to go out in the woods with a bow that I make out of a stick and arrows that I whittle out of a stick and you know, a string that I make out of a


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[Assistant] Because of that knowledge, I'm confident that I can go out and find elk and hunt elk.


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[Assistant] Uh, the backpack I had was tree bark camo and, you know, the zippers didn't work on it. It was the cheapest hand-me-down backpack you could possibly find.


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[Assistant] Now as I, as I learned more and more about elk and realized, hey, if I have good boots, I'm able to stay out in the hills longer and increase my success even more. Uh, I'm able to hike farther and be confident to go down, you know, all these different things that I've now added to my, my gear list.


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[Assistant] Uh, have come after the success actually came and none of the gear directly turned on the light switch from failure to success. And again, it's important to understand gear can contribute to your success. It can contribute to your confidence and everything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you're building your success pyramid on a layer of gear, you're probably going to fail.


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[Assistant] Pretty cold, you know, we were expecting even colder temperatures and I showed up with kidney warmers and down booties and all of these little gadgets that, that, uh, kept me comfortable.


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[Assistant] But, uh, I did not fill an elk tag there. So, you know, even, even going to that level of I've got what I consider to be the best of the best from top to bottom in gear at this point.


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[Assistant] Hot cocoa and everything else, I didn't fill an oak tag, so it's, it does not guarantee success to have the best of the best in gear.


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[Assistant] I've been doing it long enough that I've done it, you know, I've practiced those things, I have experienced those things in the field, and I kinda, you know, I guess it comes a little more natural now that if the wind's blowing, yes, I understand this is what it's doing, this is how I have to compensate for it, but I think that


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[Assistant] At home or leading up to September or October.


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[Assistant] Uh, and on the flip side, you know, when we hunted in...


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[Assistant] Go right out and, you know, try it out in the game type of a thing. So, uh, but yeah, I mean, as far as like shooting a bow.


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[Assistant] I'll go out and I'll kneel. I'll go to 3D shoots where it's extreme uphill, extreme downhill, uh, shooting in the rain. I think that a 3D shoot for an archer is probably one of the best things you can do just to go out and test your equipment and test yourself with your equipment.


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[Assistant] So yea, definitely testing things at the extreme side of where they're going to be used I think is super important.


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[Assistant] And even, even to somebody on the outside, it might look like a gear failure, but ultimately it's, it's not. It's a internal failure, you know, unless, you know, the gear absolutely fails and you can't do anything, you know, a manufacturing failure that's,


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[Assistant] That's completely different, but our usage of the gear, uh, it's, it's not the gear's fault. It's, it's on us.


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[Assistant] That was a bit, it wasn't an eye opening thing, but it definitely helped me remember that we have to take ownership for that. And the more that we're able to take ownership for it,


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[Assistant] I think the more success we're going to see because if we get in the habit of blaming gear or blaming wind or blaming other hunters or blaming wolves or whatever it is, all we're doing is, is writing ourselves a prescribed cop out for when we fail. And instead of digging deeper and finding out, Hey,


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[Assistant] Where am I in that link of failure? You know, it might be a very small part, but even a small part can improve and improve that success.


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[Assistant] Uh, when it comes to gear, when it comes to success overall in any aspect of our life, uh, the more successful we're going to be and the more that we're going to prove things ahead of time and have confidence in them.


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[Assistant] Crazy, and if you haven't been out to rmef.org to their website lately, go check it out. They just recently updated it, and uh, it is, it's more user friendly, it's more modern looking, and there's so much information and facts like that out there.


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[Assistant] Conserved per day since they started. One square mile, like 640 acres?


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[Assistant] One square mile of elk country conserved every day since they were founded in 1984. Woah. That's a lot. That's huge. That's, yeaah. That puts it in. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] You know, you stop and look one year what you're talking about, what they've done in one year, but then you go back and my math is not very good, but however many years that is since they were, since they've been around. It's huge what they've done.


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[Assistant] So they have 234,000 members at the end of 2019. So about half of our listeners are members then it sounds like.


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[Assistant] And they are not stopping. They aren't looking back and patting themselves on the back and saying, look how much we've done. They're looking ahead saying, look how much they're still left to do. What can we do in a big way to, to continue driving this bus?


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, they sell out very quickly. It's bigger and better this year, so hopefully there's a little bit more availability. But even if you don't get tickets to shoot the Total Archery Challenge, which hopefully you do because it's awesome, but, uh, there's so much more going on. If you're an elk hunter, you've gotta be there if you can.


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[Assistant] Plan on being, I'll be there. I know you'll be there as well as, uh, I'm pretty sure all of the Elk Talk sponsors will be there in full force, so. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Please keep the questions coming because a lot of times we might not specifically answer your question on the podcast, but a lot of times we formulate the theme of that podcast based on several of those questions.


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[Assistant] Uh, and they do contribute. So keep them coming. Just go to elktalkpodcast.com and, uh, click on the contact link and send us the email. And we do, we do get them all. We browse through them. We, uh, that's where a lot of our topics come from. So keep them coming.


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[Assistant] Long time whitetail hunter from Indiana who has learned a ton from you guys and has finally taken the plunge this year for a long time dream to go chase elk in September.


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[Assistant] Following a lot of the stuff that you guys are covering on your e-scouting and uh, University of Elk hunting stuff I'm following along with.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm picking a lot of good spots. I've got a few things picked out, just like you've detailed five to ten places. But the one thing I'm really missing is just a known solid waypoint. So, I guess my question would be, if I could talk you out of one waypoint.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations, so we usually go down some


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[Assistant] And you look at it like, oh, that's a target rich environment. But if you're trying to single one out a solo target, there is much easier to go into than a big group.


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[Assistant] And the podcast is also brought to you by OnX Maps. And with OnX Maps you can know where you stand with the most accurate hunting GPS tech on the market with land ownership maps that work offline.


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[Assistant] And we have a promo code for Gerber as well. Just use the code ELKTALK to save 20% on your orders at gerbergear.com. And we are also brought to you by Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls. And Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls is the original designer and inventor of the pallet plate diaphragm that's completely changed.


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[Assistant] Lastly, the University of Elk Hunting online course is a proud partner of the Elk Talk podcast. And within the University of Elk Hunting online course, you're going to find nearly 60 chapters organized in 17 modules of elk hunting instruction aimed at making you a more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] From planning and e-scouting to calling strategies and packing, every imaginable elk hunting topic is included in the online course. And regardless of your previous elk hunting experience or success, I'm confident the University of Elk Hunting online course will make you a more confident, more successful elk hunter.


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[Assistant] Just visit elk101.com and use the promo code elktalk to save 20% when you sign up for a membership to the University of Elk Hunting online course.


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[Assistant] You know, I think both of us are used to kind of working alone and, uh, used to having technology work for us and the last two days it's been working against us for sure. So while we're social distancing, we're also seem to be distancing ourselves from technology's capabilities at the same time.


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[Assistant] Google is our friend, we googled, how can we record each other remotely and yeaah, we've got a solution in place, hopefully it's worked.


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[Assistant] Start off with the deadline is April 1st, which is coming up. I've not heard of any, uh, any,


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[Assistant] So you cannot even have a chance. You basically aren't even able to apply for that limited permit.


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[Assistant] Unless your name is drawn for one of the elk combination or big game combination licenses initially. You have to apply for both of them on the same application.


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[Assistant] So realistically, the only time that you would want to apply for an elk permit is if you are 100% planning on going to Montana to hunt.


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[Assistant] If, if you don't draw the Elk permit. And then to complicate it again, if you do draw the Elk permit, I'm guessing your Elk combination license is now null and void because you have the Elk permit, is that?


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[Assistant] Both of which are used independently of each other.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, you've got to make your money somewhere.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a mudslide that's unstoppable and seems to be covering all of us non-residents.


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[Assistant] If we don't draw it and we want a preference point for a non-resident, that's $50. And in addition to that, if we want a bonus point, that's $20.


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[Assistant] I look at Montana as one of the top three Elk states for.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it'll be interesting to see, you know, across the board with, with what's going on with the economy and the employment situation and everything, how that'll affect, you know, who's going hunting out of state.


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[Assistant] The things will hopefully be back to some level of norma- normality by September and allow us to...


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[Assistant] Well, they actually did get kinder because up until a couple years ago, if you wanted a bonus point or a preference point, excuse me, a preference point for your general elk combination license, the only way to get that if you didn't draw


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[Assistant] So just, I think it was two years ago they changed it so you could, the fee was a set fee of $50 for the...


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[Assistant] Which is handy if you forget to apply, you can still get that license or the preference point so that you're more guaranteed next year to draw it. If you do forget, you'll make a reminder so that you don't forget the next year.


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[Assistant] I don't think we've discouraged, I think what we have done is shed light on the


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[Assistant] That's a prime, prime target to look at. So kudos to Montana and those districts where they do that because it's a great management tool that creates, that continues opportunity and keeps a good, healthy herd of elk in that area.


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[Assistant] There are more opportunities for that in Montana if you were just looking to fill a tag on an elk. Yep.


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[Assistant] Public hearing was cancelled and so I'm guessing that that petition and the efforts there have been tabled for now. But yea, Idaho is probably the most conservative when it comes to any kind of technology.


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[Assistant] A situation where you've got private and public mixed in a checkerboard pattern, you can't access that public land necessarily.


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[Assistant] Yep. Yeah, one other thing to keep in mind is much of Montana, in fact, most of the state that I've been privileged to hunt in is grizzly country. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And I think, you know, if you compare Montana to a state like Colorado, where Colorado, you know, maybe in a lot of those units doesn't have that, there's a lot more hunting pressure, and in Colorado you're probably not going to be as likely to encounter a mature bull, especially during one of those general type hunts.


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[Assistant] What's surprising on there is that Arizona is so far down on the list, uh, and that Montana is so high on, not only that it's first, but considerably ahead of some of those big bull states of Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico.


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[Assistant] Help everybody get through that and, uh, get that behind us, cause it's, you know,


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[Assistant] And maybe in Montana, if you're one of those who applies and draws that elk combo license and goes hunting for 11 weeks. There you go. 11 weeks. Can you imagine hunting for 11 weeks?


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[Assistant] I can't imagine hunting for 11 weeks and not finding an elk in especially Montana.


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[Assistant] By the next day the wolves would probably be long gone and so buy it before you arrive so that it's


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] And with that, Cory, we are ready to get into it. Let's jump into it.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations.


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[Assistant] We're also proud to partner with Sitka Gear and if you go to SitkaGear.com you'll see their full line of clothing and their tagline is turning clothing into gear and they are doing that through advanced technology that allows you to stay in the field longer, hunt harder and stay safer.


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[Assistant] We, uh, we located a bowl the night before season and we kinda had that as our...


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[Assistant] I don't know, 20 minutes and finally broke out on the other side into a nice shooting lane, good little open ridge and we were 60 yards above the road at that point. Wow. And you can guess what happens when you're hunting elk right next to a road.


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[Assistant] So we look down, there's a cow elk feeding on the grass on the edge of the road and a truck comes along. And they see the cow and they jump out with, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, but we're standing there, you know, in within 35 yards of a bull that's fired up and they start cowcalling and the bull had heard the truck come around the corner, so he leaves and goes up the hill. But another bull a hundred yards up above us fires off.


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[Assistant] But that's, that's good marketing, right? You give them the teaser and then send them to the final to catch the catch.


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[Assistant] Just here in Idaho, just over the counter, public land.


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[Assistant] Uh, area we've been hunting for several years and I was excited for a couple of reasons. You know, we had, uh, I think we ended up with eight days. Donnie's already tagged out. So there's, you know, typically we only have six, seven, maybe eight days to hunt. And a lot of times there's two or three of us with a tag.


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[Assistant] And so what that really amounts to is each of us getting two or three days max to actually get it done. You know, cause we rotate off every day. We switch who the shooter is and.


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[Assistant] The other person is the dedicated caller and we don't even pack a bow as a caller and I know, you know, we get a lot of comments about that too. That's ridiculous. What if the elk circles around you?


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[Assistant] You know, you miss out on that opportunity, and there have been times we have missed out on that opportunity, but I think...


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[Assistant] We, uh, we hunted a couple days, uh, right, you know, as we got back and got into a couple elk, but it just, it...


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[Assistant] I don't know if they were pressured, uh, we were having troubles finding elk a little bit. We were into them, but just not the, you know, that September 17th, 18th, 19th rut fest we should have been into.


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[Assistant] No, the regulations where you're at, we actually took them to Oregon with us and found out that while they are allowed,


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[Assistant] It's roaded, they're good roads, but they're gated and it's non-motorized and we were able to actually use those to get back in four or five miles a couple times and honestly get in there in 12 or 15 minutes.


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[Assistant] So uh, pretty awesome mode of transportation. So with my daughter, we actually there, we had three of the bikes and there were, uh, Donnie, Ian and the camera guy. And so we took the trailer that was meant to be used to pack out elk meat and we rigged it up for my daughter to ride on and we put her back in there.


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[Assistant] It's kind of funny, she's got these pillows and blankets all stuffed around her and she was, she looked as comfortable as could be back there, just tooling along in the trailer.


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[Assistant] We got back in there and Jessie is one of those, you know, she's my only daughter and so I don't have a whole lot of other experience with girls to, to judge on. But when you ask her or tell her to do something, it's like,


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[Assistant] Uh, at 30 yards, she's shooting like a two inch group and I told her, okay, here's how it's going to work.


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[Assistant] We'll get the bowl going. Donnie's going to be the caller. I'm going to be right next to you. I'll tell you when to draw and just draw as smooth as you can. I'll make sure that, you know, the bowl can't see you when I tell you to draw. And then when he gets in a shooting lane, I'll cow call, wait for him to stop, make sure he's broadside, put the pin right behind the shoulder and, and shoot.


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[Assistant] And about 15 minutes later, I hear him start bugling again and he's coming back up. And I told Jesse, he's, he's curious. He's a little nervous about where we went to.


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[Assistant] And he bugled, I think he bugled six times on his own coming up the backside of that ridge. And, uh, he got to the ridge and bugled and was looking just scanning across on our side.


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[Assistant] It's not just a quick little spin with your tongue to get it aligned. I'm, I'm sitting there trying to pull it down and get it spun around and I could tell Jesse was like, why are you not cowcalling? This elk is walking through a 15 yard lane and he's about to leave the shooting lane. And I finally got it spun around at the last second and let out a quick cow call.


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[Assistant] And he stopped, but I think what happened was she was ready as soon as I cow called. And as soon as I cow called, she didn't immediately shoot, but she quit following the bull.


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[Assistant] I don't know, 10 drops of blood after the initial first hundred yards and he went another, I don't know, 400 yards probably.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I could tell immediately he wouldn't turn and even take a step uphill. He was, it was all downhill and in a creek bottom. And, uh, when we did, when he did take a step uphill, I told her it's, it's over. He's dead. He's going uphill to try to get a little bit of a vantage point to watch us. And we went another 20 yards and he was laying there dead. So.


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[Assistant] And then to be able to capture it all on film, it was, uh,


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[Assistant] I, I would challenge anybody that elk is dead. He's going to die.


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[Assistant] But I kept looking back at her and I'm like, Hey, how you doing? Expecting her to say, I don't know. Are we going to find this elk? And she just smiled the whole time. I'm great. This is fun. And I think she just.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you've got to watch that episode. That's a camera right over her shoulder. Me tucked up right next to her whisper in her ear. Go ahead and draw. And it was pretty incredible. Plus you get to see us pack an elk out on an e-bike.


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[Assistant] No, I'm gonna, I think using them to access country is good, but.


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[Assistant] You're paying people and forcing them to elk hunt every day of September? That's... Man, yeaah.


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[Assistant] It is, it does sound like it's too good to be true. So maybe they just thought you were kidding.


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[Assistant] Well, let me post my job opening first here. Okay.


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[Assistant] So we, uh, I'll skip my Idaho hunt. We can come back and talk about it, since we're talking about job openings. My youngest son, Sam, who is 12, uh, turned 13 two days before.


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[Assistant] And we got on the ridge and started kind of paralleling him and found a little open lane and he popped out into it and turned walking straight away from us down the hill. And just as he got to the bottom of the open window there, he went to turn to the right and step out of it. And I bugled and he bugled back, stopped broadside and bugled back and Sam squeezed off a shot and Sam missed.


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[Assistant] And so we're hugging and celebrating and I turn around to, uh, to my camera guy who


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[Assistant] John is our normal camera guy and John is just, he can spot elk from behind the camera, he can film elk from behind the camera and with all of his camera gear he packs as much elk.


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[Assistant] That, uh, that leads in really nicely to our hunt in Montana with you a couple weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah, cause I, uh, I can relate. What do you mean? To miss, to missing an elk with a rifle. You didn't tell me about this. The only difference is I didn't get a chance to redeem myself.


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[Assistant] You don't even want to know. Okay. No, I, uh, I'm not a rifle guy, but I can, I can shoot a rifle and that's, you know, I'm.


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[Assistant] There are guys who can shoot rifles way better than me, but I can go out to the range and I can dial in a rifle and I can hit steel out to 800 yards pretty consistently. And you know, if, if a rifle's dialed in and sighted in and I know the range and an elk's laying there, I'm pretty confident at 377 yards.


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[Assistant] The technology that I was using on this hunt and I was relying on technology a little too much.


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[Assistant] After my first shot and the bull didn't, you know, he, he just looked around and I could tell I didn't hit him. I thought, well, I'm just going to use the holdover because at 377 yards shooting the caliber I was, it was about a.


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[Assistant] 11 or 12 inch drop over the, or under the crosshair. And so I just held over and shot and missed again. And I turned to Donnie and said, you shoot him.


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[Assistant] No, it was a great area, I mean I loved, it's a great area to go to get into elk because


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[Assistant] Young five point bowls running everywhere and i think we saw more five points than we saw spikes by quite a few.


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[Assistant] And you know the downside to it is like you said it's it's a general area it's pretty accessible for the most part i mean you have to hike to get back into the car but you can spot out from the road sometimes and.


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[Assistant] But that was walking without an elk on your back.


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[Assistant] You know, you go, they go, you don't have to tug on them, pull on them, and that was...


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[Assistant] Missing that bull was, was painful. Uh, but I've got good, a good hunting partner and a good camera guy that said, Hey, we've still got four days. No sweat. Yeah, we worked hard for this and it didn't work out, but tomorrow's a new day and we might find another one bigger. And we did.


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[Assistant] And, uh, the next day we found a bigger bull again. He was back in a ways and he was with cows and we struggled to get in on him, but, uh, we had a plan for the next day to, to go in there and capitalize knowing where he was at. And he was very vocal and very aggressive and, um,


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[Assistant] You've got to watch that episode. It's, it's the coolest footage we've ever captured. And, uh, I've never seen, I've, I've seen video camera or, uh, trail camera pictures and videos of Elk kissing at each other.


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[Assistant] It's, uh, it's, it's awesome. And you know, it's the bull that we had kind of set our sights on after missing the first one. And it's a big, mature item of six points.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but when you do make that decision to do it for someone else, and especially someone like, uh, 12 year old Anthony who came out from Louisiana, he has cystic fibrosis.


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[Assistant] Those hunts are successful whether we fill a tag or not, but knock on wood, we have not walked away from one of those hunts without filling a tag.


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[Assistant] There is so much reward in that for us that yeaah, obviously we're doing it to share that with them, but we get so much more out of it than anything we put into it that


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[Assistant] That's, uh, we'll be doing it every year. We had, uh, Austin, who hunted with us two years ago, he passed away this year, had a brain tumor.


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[Assistant] Let's uh, let's regroup here and we'll record another podcast. So join us in the next podcast and we're going to talk about the wolf debate and how it relates to El Cantin.


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[Assistant] You know, that's a human. I'm not going to go into that. They have to anticipate every single bugle they ever hear is another elk coming in trying to take their cows. So, you know, that, that memory thing is tricky for them because it's, you're, you're fighting against instinct too.


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[Assistant] So that he doesn't startle the herd and take everything else with him. So there's strategy behind even just kicking the little ones out of the way to get in closer to the big one.


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[Assistant] But in our campers at night, I mean we got little space heaters or something we'll put in our showers.


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[Assistant] And there's other sounds out there too. If you're in an area where they might be logging, you get the sounds of the talkie tutors and the stuff that they're making and a lot of, you know, squeals of the machinery or things like that. A lot of times you're like, kind of look around, was that a bugle or some of the certain birds on the coast that sound like elk.


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[Assistant] And that terrain too will dictate many times how much you actually be able because sometimes if you drop into a canyon you might have to relocate him based on what you see once you get down there because if you can't see anything or pick the terrain apart


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[Assistant] I'm like, man, you just cut all the fluff out. And if you really target what you're doing, it's kind of like walking through a process, you know, like if, if this, then this, and you just move through very, very efficiently in the end result.


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[Assistant] Perch, right. We had a rare opportunity, year before last, on Shannon's Bull, we actually located the bull, uhm, from the edge of a clearing. It was a kind of a younger reprod unit, but he was originally with all of his cows on the backside of a knob in a big stand of timber.


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[Assistant] And, you know, on a ridge, so it's not very wide, and that bull stops on the backside of these trees, and he's just sitting there looking around. Well, he doesn't know exactly where we are.


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[Assistant] So Shannon just kind of moans, just uuuh. And as soon as he did that, that bulls antler snapped around right to where we're at and he pushed right through the, through the furs. And next thing you know, he's standing there at 19 yards and he's looking straight up and he still doesn't even recognize that we are there. He's looking for that elk.


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[Assistant] All elk. All the time. Only elk. Only elk. Well, it's us having conversations.


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[Assistant] There we go. The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, in addition to the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Elk Talk Podcast is brought to you by Sitka Gear. And Sitka Gear has had a mission for, uh, about the last 12 years of turning clothing into gear and making


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[Assistant] So many applications with the app. Uh, I don't even carry a GPS anymore. Just the hunt app on my cell phone allows me to navigate and turn on just about any layer you could think of to see private public land borders, to see management units, to see trails, systems, uh,


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[Assistant] Creeks, mountains, contours, topography, everything you want to see to help you navigate, to help you stay safe, to help you hunt better and hunt smarter.


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[Assistant] OnXmaps, if you go to their website at onxmaps.com and use the promo code elktalk, you're going to save 20% when you sign up for a membership to their hunt app. Gotta have it.


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[Assistant] Actually, there's not even a promo code needed. You just go to gohunt.com forward slash help talk and they automatically know that we sent you there and you don't even have to use a promo code. So.


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[Assistant] I like it too. And the last sponsor of the Elk Talk podcast is Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls and Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls was the original developer of the pallet plate diaphragm. And if you have ever looked at diaphragm calls, you've certainly seen the pallet plate or some


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[Assistant] And since then in the last 28 plus years, a lot of other innovations in elk calling all made.


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[Assistant] Uh, to make elk hunters better hunters, to make elk calling more consistent and to make more quality sounds. So if you go to RockyMountainHuntingCalls.com or BuglingBowl.com, either one will take you to the same place. You're going to save 15% on all of your elk call needs by using the promo code ElkTalk.


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[Assistant] There you have it from somebody who actually knows something instead of Randy and I just making things up, but somebody agrees with us. That's good.


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe somebody has one that will actually work in that application and they want to send it to us to try. Oh, okay. I'll send it to Corey.


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[Assistant] Right, no, and they call that SED, you know, the SED principle, which is Specific Adaption, uh, Adaptation to Imposed Demands. So it's, you know, if you're going to be hunting in the mountains with a heavy pack on, the best way to train for that is go to a mountain with a heavy pack on and hike around.


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[Assistant] I think that's true. There's definitely some benefits to being in the gym and doing some other things and doing cardio that's not necessarily hiking with a pack on. But if you're coming from somewhere at lower elevation going to high elevation and you want to be


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[Assistant] Have your body as in tune with what it needs to be doing in the mountains with a pack on. You need to go to the mountains with a pack on.


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[Assistant] I think it would always be good to have other people come on and either, uh, counter what we said or agree with what we say and obviously as a strength trainer, athletic trainer at a major university that works with elite athletes, having somebody with his experience on here to


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[Assistant] Before we get there, I've got, I've got one more follow up too from last episode. We talked about not being able to see pins or targets at long distance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, someone got a solution for me. We've got a, we've got a handful of emails that have come in and one of them is, uh, the one that came from


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[Assistant] Uh, closer to the target and obviously we're talking inches, not yards or anything here, but the farther you can get it out there, I think the better your eyes are going to be able to focus on that. And so I do shoot with mine extended out.


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[Assistant] Not as far as it can go, but as far as I want to be dragging it through brush and feel like it's in a safe location there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I think that does definitely help. The other thing, and this one was brought up, he actually brought it up a little bit, Eric did, but Zachary Warnke.


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[Assistant] Uh, emailed and said, uh, kind of talking about the same thing. And he said he would recommend checking out a verifier peep site.


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[Assistant] And I've seen several of them, you know, clarifiers and verifiers. They actually make them, uh, you can get a, a magnification lens that goes in your peep site. Uh, you can get, you know, just a, a verifier or a clarifier they call it, which is no magnification. It just kind of, it's like wearing glasses there at the peep site level.


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[Assistant] Uh, the only thing is some states don't allow


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[Assistant] Zero. I got one. Yea, we drew, we drew this last year and hunted Wyoming on the general tag, so we did not gain a point and we're still sitting at zero. You're pretty, you're pretty fond of that general tag down there in Wyoming.


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[Assistant] You know, there's just, it's almost like an over-the-counter hunt. Uhm, you just have a lot of areas you can go within the state. There's multiple units that fall underneath the...


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[Assistant] The classification of the general units and so you can hunt a large portion of the state. You can bounce around from one area to the other and we've just got two or three areas we found that that are.


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[Assistant] In the areas we found has that, and I think it's important before we get into that discussion to make sure everyone knows in Wyoming, a non-resident has to apply. There's a limited quota.


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[Assistant] And the last, I don't know, four or five years, those tags have all gone in the drawing without leftover tags in the general tag area. And a non-resident has to apply through the draw. A resident can just go down to the Walmart and buy a tag for the same hunt, but a non-resident has to apply.


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[Assistant] And that's another important distinguishing thing. Uh, in Wyoming, if you have the general tag, you can hunt the general archery season and then you can also go back and hunt the general rifle season in that unit as long as there's a archery and rifle season, which I think all of the general units are archery and rifle.


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[Assistant] Never rifle hunted the general tag over there, we've always just archery hunted.


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[Assistant] So I've never looked at the, at the rifle, but I know that there's some great hunting in the general units during the rifle season. You can still get into a good number of elk and get away from people, so.


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[Assistant] No, that's a great point. We have drawn, uh, the general tag actually. It used to be almost guaranteed with zero points.


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[Assistant] Uh, there was up until probably, I don't know, five to seven years ago, there were actually leftover general tags. And so with zero points, you were guaranteed to draw it. And now, you know, obviously there's, there's more people that are.


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[Assistant] In that pool and applying, so there are not leftover tags, but they have, they've got it broken into two different tags within the general, uh, license and they call it the regular and the special. And the regular is a less expensive option.


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[Assistant] And the special is a more expensive option. And that's really the only difference is if you're willing to pay extra money, you can go in the special tag draw.


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[Assistant] You, uh, typically get rewarded with better draw odds. So I think the general tag takes two to three points now to draw under the regular.


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[Assistant] We kind of count on it every other year. So we've had, I think three years we've drawn over there, three years in a row. So if you draw, your points are gone, you don't get points. So we've drawn three years in a row with zero points. We've been in that random draw, uh,


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[Assistant] Category is how we've drawn that, so it's absolutely possible. I don't think we're going to apply this year, so we'll build up a point.


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[Assistant] You know, it's a preference point and fortunately in Wyoming, you can just buy a point. You don't have to actually apply. So if you know you're not going to apply there and you want to build points for next year, you can just buy an elk point. And it's a huge, isn't it like July 1st through September 30th or something, the period there where you can just buy a point?


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[Assistant] Yep. And the other thing we talked about points and buying the points. I actually just looked it up here on Go Hunt and it's July 1st through October 31st is the.


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[Assistant] The really cool part about Wyoming, and I've been doing it since all of my children have turned 11, uh, you can buy a non-resident youth preference point for $10 for any species, uh, deer, elk or antelope, moose and sheep are more expensive, but


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[Assistant] Uh, for youth, once they're 11, if they turn 12 in the next year, next calendar year, you can buy them a point in Wyoming. So I started when all of mine were 11 and, uh, Isaac will be 16 this next year. So I think he's got five, maybe even six points.


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[Assistant] Uh, going into next year. So by the time he graduates high school, he's going to have eight or nine points built up and it's going to cost me $80 or $90 to build up those points for him. So it's a great state to build some points for our youth so that they've got an opportunity for a quality hunt at a pretty inexpensive price tag.


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[Assistant] Like you had mentioned, if you go into a wilderness area, you can hike all summer in there. You can do anything you want, but you can't hunt there. You have to have a...


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[Assistant] A guide or like you mentioned, I don't remember what they called either a mentor or something, a resident that is willing to take you under their wing. And I believe, at least it used to be I think, that that resident has to be with you at all times. They can't just sign you up and turn you loose. They have to actually be physically there with you.


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[Assistant] It's pretty clear why they do that because there's some really good hunting


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[Assistant] So for somebody that's willing to hike, you could get into a wilderness area and have pretty low competition from other hunters in there. But it's, you know, from the outside looking in, it's there to protect the outfitters and to give them the opportunity to exclusively be the only ones that can take a non-resident in there.


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[Assistant] And to add to the facetiousness, you know, the grizzly bears are only going to stay back in that wilderness area anyway. So that's where it's, it's most dangerous because they certainly won't come out of the wilderness area.


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[Assistant] Then you'll see, you know, like looking through, uh, Go Hunt here in the insider, when you go into filtering and go into Wyoming and then Elle can start drilling down some of the, uh, the categories there.


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[Assistant] You'll see there are some units that for a non-resident have really, really high draw odds and really, really high success rates.


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[Assistant] Uh, and there's a reason for that. It's because, you know, maybe that unit is 90% wilderness and non-residents just don't apply there because they can't go in there without an outfitter. So if you know the area or if you have a friend that lives there that can act as your resident guide,


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[Assistant] Uh, there's some great hunting available there in some really high draw areas with really high success rates.


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[Assistant] Now in the hunting there, they manage it. You know, and you look at, I look at.


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[Assistant] Montana and Idaho and the management, um, in those states, and it's questionable at times, uh, you know, as far as trying to balance quality and opportunity and how the wolves have an effect on the herd numbers and the hunting quality and all of that.


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[Assistant] But then you go to Wyoming that has really the same, uh,


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[Assistant] Features against it, you know, as far as predators and everything, and somehow they're just able to maintain a solid population of elk above objective, a good bull to cow ratio, a good number of mature age class bulls, and uh, yeaah, they're doing something right there for sure.


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[Assistant] Close calls or encounters you might say, you know, like I know you've been really close a couple times and had a couple close calls and scares. We haven't had that, uh, but we have definitely seen grizzly bears, been close to them and definitely seen their sign.


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[Assistant] And it's honestly, that's the only time when we hunt grizzly country in Wyoming, we will stay in a designated campground. And you know, rather than just go out and bivvy hunt or just dropping off alongside the road somewhere and setting up a base camp.


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[Assistant] We'll stay in an actual designated campsite for a couple reasons. One, uh, there's more people, more activity there, so less likely that the bears are going to be there. And part of that is because there are food boxes. They have actual bear box, bear proof food boxes in those campgrounds. So we can store our food in that and I guess the bears are


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[Assistant] It's crazy the amount of sign that you see every day that we've hiked in Wyoming. We've seen grizzly sign and it's, you know, either walking a road as we're driving in, walking a ridge, you know, rocks rolled over logs tore up. There's, there's always grizzly sign there. And for the first,


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[Assistant] I don't remember how many days we hunted there, but for the first several days we hadn't seen a bear. And so we're kind of getting confident that, Hey, there's really no need to worry. Yes, we'll take all the precautions, but we can kind of let our guard down a little bit.


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[Assistant] And, uh, then Donnie shot an elk and, and, uh, we quartered it up, packed it out and it was in a place where we could just hike right down onto a ridge and look across the draw and see where the carcass was.


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[Assistant] It was pretty epic to see, but it also was pretty scary to realize there's five grizzlies on that hill. They came out of the woodwork somewhere.


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[Assistant] When we shot that elk and it just made us realize how many grizzly bears there really are. And there's a lot. Wow.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and if you look at, you know, historically, the attacks, the grizzly attacks, uhm, most of them, the people aren't doing anything wrong, you know. Right. Either they're going in to recover an elk and they, they're blood trailing and they walk up on the elk and a grizzly bear's already found it and, and kinda claimed it and,


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[Assistant] Grizzly's just, they've got a bad attitude. They just, you walk up on a grizzly that's either got cubs or protecting a kill and it's not usually going to, uh,


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[Assistant] It's not usually going to be a pleasant experience where you can just sit back and take pictures. It's, like, Grizzly is usually going to be pretty upset. But, uhm, every year in those areas where we hunt, there are people who get attacked. I mean, every year. It's just, uh, it's a Grizzly hotbed. And...


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[Assistant] Most of them happen just from being out hiking and either walking up on a saw with cubs. Uh, there was one guy that was just sitting on a stump and cow calling and Grizzly came up behind him. He didn't know it was there. And I mean, the Grizzly just saw him sitting on the stump, walked up there and knocked him off the stump and.


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[Assistant] So it's, it's not that people are out there, you know, leaving their McDonald's wrappers in camp and eating Big Macs in their sleeping bag in their tent and attracting the bears. It's just the fact of.


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[Assistant] You know, I look at that and remind myself I'm going to be careful. I'm going to do all the things I can take all the precautions, but I'm not going to let it ruin my hunt because I'm so worried about it that it's, it's no longer any fun.


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[Assistant] Because as the season goes on, there's more and more gut piles. I mean, that's just, there's more carcasses in the woods and the chances of stepping on somebody else's carcass the last week of September is much higher than the first week.


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[Assistant] And most of the attacks that happen are either the last week of September or during rifle season. I would hate to hunt some of those units during rifle season where there's a high success rate.


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[Assistant] Grizzly's defending it. And so we, we purposely hunt early in Wyoming just to minimize, uh, those encounters over carcasses and bears claiming somebody else's carcass and us unknowingly stepping on it.


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[Assistant] Elf non-resident. 692 dollars for the regular non-resident.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, with your, with all of the deer and antelope and elk and everything you're doing there, that, you know, 18 to 35 dollars per application adds


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[Assistant] You know, bison in Wyoming is over $4,000 for the license, and you front that, 2.5% of that's another $110, so. I know.


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[Assistant] You know, you look at the $4,400 and that is a mountain of money to have to...


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[Assistant] To put up and apply, but you get it back if you don't draw.


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[Assistant] And so as long as you have that money, you know, rat hold earmarked for applications, you can deal with putting it up. But yeah, that $110 you, you pay that it doesn't come back to you regardless of whether you're successful.


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[Assistant] Are you looking on, are you still looking on the application strategy?


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[Assistant] And so that's, you know, you're looking at, we talked before we started the podcast about engineering.


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[Assistant] You know, terminology and static and dynamic, you're looking at a static list. So they've basically gone through and they've analyzed all the data and they've compiled a list that you can read.


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[Assistant] If you wanted to be dynamic and change some of those variables, you know, for your specific requirements, you can go into filtering 2.0 and


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[Assistant] That shows you all 101 elk units in the state of Wyoming and as you start drilling down and setting your requirements or your goals for trophy potential, for draw odds, for how many points you have, for what season, whether it's archery or rifle, how much public land, you know, success rates, all of that


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[Assistant] It starts getting rid of the units that don't meet those criteria and you're left with just the units that are available.


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[Assistant] Uh, filtering 2.0 gives you that dynamic ability to be able to drill down all of those criteria and find the unit that's exactly what you're looking for.


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[Assistant] To give an example here, if I go to Wyoming and Elk on the filtering 2.0 and I put my trophy potential at 300 inches plus, so that means in that unit you have an opportunity


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[Assistant] To get into a mature 300 inch type bowl. That doesn't mean that there's any


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[Assistant] Harvest statistics that you're going to be 50% of the people are killing 300 inch bowls. It's just in that area, it's not known for 350 inch bowls.


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[Assistant] But I'll tell you this, some of the units we hunt are a 290 to 300 inch trophy potential area and we've seen 340 inch bulls in there. So they're there, but I think the realistic expectation is you have a chance to hunt and potentially harvest a 300 inch bull.


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[Assistant] I'm a non-resident, so I'm gonna look at the non-resident special just for this example. A non-resident special, first choice, I have zero points. Uhm, so I'm gonna say I want my minimum draw odds to be 10%. I want a 10% chance of drawing. Actually, let's go, yeaah, we'll leave it at 10 right now.


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[Assistant] And then I'll drill down the seasons. So I'll go into archery general. So these are general units and then harvest success. I want a 20% chance or better of harvesting.


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[Assistant] There are no units in Wyoming that offer a 20% harvest rate with a 300 inch bowl on the non-resident special tag that you can draw with zero points. So I'm going to have to adjust something there and that's probably going to have to be my point. And if I go up to


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[Assistant] Let's say five points and let's change from the general archery to a limited quota. And now I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11. There are 12 units that pop up on the map that meet my criteria.


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[Assistant] So now I'm up to 30%, 35, 40, 45. I'm gonna go to 100%. There are still nine units in Wyoming that I'm 100% guaranteed to draw with five points that meet those criteria. So now I can start adjusting my points down.


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[Assistant] I'm at four, all those units are still there. I'm at three, all those units are still there. I'm at two, all those units are still there. I'm at one, four of those units are still there. So with one point on the special tag, there's a hundred percent chance of me drawing


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[Assistant] These four units that offer a 20% or better harvest rate of a 300 or better quality bowl.


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[Assistant] For me, filtering 2.0 is what helps me determine my draw strategy.


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[Assistant] And when we used to do the spreadsheets and all of that, I was focused in on four or five specific units. And I was tracking how many tags were allotted, what the season dates were, uh, what the draw odds were, what the success rates were. And just for four or five units in one state, it would still take me


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[Assistant] Now I can, it's a, it's a blank slate. The entire state is there and I can see some of these sleeper units that everybody talks about that. Wow. I can draw that with one point as a non-resident and look at the trophy potential. That's incredible. And I would have missed out on that completely all those years doing my own research. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Totally and I've got confused looking at it and I don't even apply for any of those just where we go on the general tag and even finding information just on the general tag is confusing enough if you start looking into each of those specific tag types it definitely


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[Assistant] You know, when you, when you look at draw odds and you find those high draw odd areas, it's probably going to fall into one of those two categories. It's either a lot of wilderness or a lot of private and certainly, I mean, that doesn't exclude anyone from hunting it under certain conditions. So if you have access on private or.


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[Assistant] Know a local there that does or if you know a resident that's able to.


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[Assistant] Be your companion, resident companion in Wyoming and hunt with you. You can hunt those wilderness areas and there's some incredible hunting with really good draws and really good harvest rates. So just keep that in mind as you're.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was just going to say it. Putting that little asterisk in there saves them hours of customer service with angry hunters who didn't realize why the draw odds were so


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[Assistant] Or I did draw Wyoming, now I need to go to my boss and tell him what week I need to take off for season. It's early enough that you can plan for the hunt or for a backup plan.


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[Assistant] And it's like Randy said, it's the first state out of the gate that opens the application period. It's the first one that draws and post result of draw results for elk hunting. And you know, if that's your state that you want to hunt and you're building points and applying every year and don't hunt, it still leaves you.


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[Assistant] Again, there's a state that is actually monitoring the herds and setting seasons according to the herd, not according to popular demand, so that probably speaks volumes to why their herds are healthy and


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[Assistant] Well, and you and I talked last week outside of the podcast, just about our plans for next year and trying to get our calendars to align so we could hunt together. And I think we're into 2020 already as far as knowing what some of our plans are that, Hey, I'm going to draw this tag this year and building around that. And it's.


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[Assistant] Let everybody know what the opportunities are out there because we've spent the last 15 plus years applying out of state for, for non-resident tags and built kind of a strategy to allow us to, you know, meet different needs. You have to have, what is it, 37 elk hunts to fall or some ridiculous number.


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[Assistant] Me, I just want to draw a quality tag every five or six years and, and make sure I go hunting a couple times every year. But everybody has a different goal and what they want out of a hunt, what they want out of a season and to be able to understand each state and know which state's going to fit your needs and your calendar and all that's super important. So hopefully.


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[Assistant] This little series on applying to each of the states for elk tags is helpful and


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[Assistant] I know, uh, I know we've got to wrap up here, Randy, you've got to get going, but I think, uh, just kind of summarizing, Wyoming's a great state and it's probably my favorite Elk state.


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[Assistant] For the reason of the management of the elk curds there. We can always, in the area, it is taking us a while to learn the areas and to find those little pockets, but we know year to year,


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, there are a couple drawbacks. If you go with the special tag, it's $1200. If you go with the regular tag, it's still $700, which is not cheap by any means. Uh, you've got Grizzlies in a lot of the, a lot of the units there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I think overall the, the pros outweigh the cons for Wyoming and if you're willing to go through the process and build points and apply and draw a tag,


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[Assistant] I think you're going to find that as we go through each of these states, we're going to talk favorably about all of them, unless we talk about Washington. I still don't like Washington, but every other state, there are positive things about it and reasons why you should be hunting there.


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[Assistant] Uh, even Idaho, I'm gonna tell people the positive things about Idaho, even though I'd rather people don't come to Idaho because that's more competition on my turf.


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[Assistant] But I think if we spread the love and the positivity to all the states, hopefully something will peak each person's interest for their different goals and hopefully keep the love spread about a little bit.


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[Assistant] No, and that's, I think, you know, again, we've spent a lot of time talking about sponsors and you know, we've shortened our.


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[Assistant] Our sponsor read at the beginning down and, and everything, but.


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[Assistant] To talk about them and share them with the listeners because there's no doubt it will improve their ability to apply and draw tags as well as be successful on the hunt, so.


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[Assistant] That's why we say go hunt and on X a lot, especially in these episodes. It's not because we're even paid to, it's because that's what Randy and I personally are sitting here doing right now is we're researching those units and those tags. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Save yourself a bunch of money. Go hunt, go to gohunt.com forward slash elk talk on X use the promo code elk talk. There you go. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Yeah, like I said, Wyoming is one of my favorite states for elk hunting. It's not the best state by any means.


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[Assistant] Um, but for the reasons that we've talked about, you can have a good hunt and well, it's not over the counter for a non resident necessarily. It's, it's pretty close and I count on it at least every second or third year. And we get lucky then sometimes every year for three years in a row. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And since I'm not applying, I hope everybody draws this year and decides not to.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the Elk Talk Podcast with Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson presented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.


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[Assistant] The goal is, what little you and I know about elk hunting, we share with people.


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[Assistant] It's supposed to be the same up here and the only good part is the forecast says rain mixed with snow starting Monday afternoon through Friday. So my worry is it's going to be a lot more rain than anything.


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[Assistant] And I think now that we've spent 10 or 11 episodes letting all the listeners know who supports this podcast, we're probably going to blow through the


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[Assistant] The sponsor mentions a little quicker than we have in the past. We just wanted to make sure everyone knew the long-term relationships we had with these companies and why they wanted to be supporters of the Elk Talk Podcast.


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[Assistant] Adventure products, I guess I'll call it. Go to Gerbergear.com and check them out. Look for them at your retailer. They're usually easy to find. They're either the orange handle or the green handle. Excellent.


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[Assistant] Gohunt.com's insider is where everything is at my fingertips.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't think so because you're already signed up. Well, I know, but I want the $50 in free gear.


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[Assistant] They just need to go Alconton now. No kidding. No excuses.


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[Assistant] Uh, this time of year, probably like in little places, little towns in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, probably all across the west, the talk is, get your elk, or, damn that weather, man, I don't know if I'm gonna get an elk this year. And, so.


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[Assistant] What are the challenges that I could put in the form of a question that Cory and I could talk about today that you guys think might be helpful with the disclaimer that we don't have all the answers, we just have


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[Assistant] They gave me a whole list of them and some of them apply to, uh, rifle, some apply to archery, some apply to both. And I think the first one that struck me


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[Assistant] It applies to states that have a lot of over-the-counter or general units to pick from. And you living in Idaho, me in Montana, I think we could add Colorado, Wyoming, Oregon, maybe even some of the Utah general hunts, uh,


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[Assistant] To that list of states, but a bunch of them, or not a bunch of them, a few of these guys said, well, how do you pick a unit when you have all, say Montana, we've got most of the state open to general hunting.


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[Assistant] And so once I determine what the need is based on the time of year I'm hunting, then I start saying, all right, where can I go that elk will be there satisfying the need they have at that time of year?


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[Assistant] So for me, I'm looking for places that have good glassing areas. I'm looking for places that have breaks to the canopy so it's not just big carpets of dark timber or just nothing but sage.


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[Assistant] And I know maybe for archery, that's a completely different approach, but for rifle season, that's kind of how I pick my unit when there's a place where I have many unit options to choose from because of the over the counter general tag concept.


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[Assistant] For me, when I pick a unit and it's archery season,