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[Assistant] Albert Hainsworth was, from 2003 to 2008, maybe the best de-tackle in football. He was unstoppable. He was unblockable. Right? His sacks aren't gonna like, it's not gonna wow you in the sack department.


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[Assistant] Cause, you know, Albert and I had a good relationship. We went on our recruiting visit to the University of Tennessee together. And when I got there, I mean, you know, you know me, I talked to everybody, whether you like it or not, you had to deal with me. So, you know, I'd go sit with the D-Tackles and me and him were buddies.


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[Assistant] Right? And, and, you know, I think they knew that we were close enough and they kind of picked my brain. Like, do you think he'll chalk it up once we pay him?


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[Assistant] And I was one that was going, no, I think he legitimately loves the game. I mean, the way he talks about it with me and, you know, but I did go, yeah, I see that he doesn't work in the weight room or do that. I was aware of that, uh, but it didn't work out, but he was awesome.


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[Assistant] And Jeffrey Simmons. Excuse me, Jarell Casey I was gonna say. Jarell Casey. Oh.


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[Assistant] That's where I was gonna go. Cause Jeffrey Simmons has not been enough. Enough yet, right. Jeffrey Simmons looks like he's on, if we do this five years from now, he'll probably be on the team. Jarrell Casey.


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[Assistant] Javon Curse. I know. Curse I think really though, he had that awesome rookie year


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[Assistant] And the other years were good, but I don't know if they were as dominant as some of the guys were talking about right here.


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[Assistant] Many, many players. No wonder they've been on another team. It's like, no wonder they've been good for the last two decades. Alright, can I try first here? Oh yea, do it. You know some of them. Let's go.


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[Assistant] I, I would think so. Ogden's one of the greatest tackles in the history of football, right? Ogden's the ultimate, like,


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[Assistant] Is he gonna fit in the door? Like, seriously. I mean, Johnathan Ogden is enormous.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ogden. And now to me, it's between Yonda and T-Sizzle.


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[Assistant] Right? Suggs or T, Yanda, Marshall Yanda, who was really, a really awesome guard, or Terrell Suggs, who was like, uh, awesome outside linebacker defense and, and certainly part of the reason of why you were scared of the Ravens when you played that team.


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[Assistant] You know, where do you go there? I wanna go T-Sizzle, I feel like.


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[Assistant] Marlon Humphrey is a guy that deserves to be in the combo. Marlon Humphrey. Right? Hello DeNotta.


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[Assistant] Damn. I mean, he's another one. Just, you know, a legend of that team and that franchise. But yeah, he doesn't get in. Bart Scott, C.J. Mosley, Chris McAllister. I mean, Ronnie Stanley, Mark Andrews. You know, Pete, you did a good job here. You're throwing in the right names there. I agreed.


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[Assistant] They're, I mean, they're real good. Very good. There's no doubt. Alright, so look up Willie, I mean, Willie Anderson. Right, I mean, I know he was premier tackle in football.


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[Assistant] That's when they kind of got good and they got, you know, Kitna, Carson Palmer and started to become relevant in the NFL. I tend to think it's going to be him over Dunlap who was really consistently good but never had all pro conversation or anything like that. Agreed.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, there's our five. That was easy. I think so. I think that was pretty clear cut and dry. I don't think we're missing anybody else. I mean, shout out to Corey Dillon. T.J. Hooshman Zeta. You say Hooshman Zeta, I say Hooshman Zata.


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[Assistant] I know, I know. You remember the commercial? There was a commercial where, you know, there was a fantasy thing and the guy, ah, TJ Hooshman's your mama. Oh, yes. Who's your mosaic?


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[Assistant] There's a part of me that almost wants to say Joel Bantonio might deserve to be in there too. That's where I feel like, you know, Bantonio would be on the all decade team if he just got drafted a year before that maybe. That's where it's a little tough there. I think he goes into. I mean, he's been one of the best guards in football for...


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, it's, it's, it's, alright, so Pete's saying five Pro Bowls, how many All Pros was it Pete? Two All Pros? Two, but he's been second team All Pro the three years.


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[Assistant] I think Miles Garrett's in. I think he's in. Right? Yep. You know, he's the more key defensive player of their franchise in the century. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I don't think I'm missing anybody in that conversation. How about Joe Hayden? Yeah, that's the, he definitely is, he's, I think of him.


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[Assistant] When I think I look at it, I go, I feel like I want to say it's between Joe Hayden and Josh Cribbs, right? Uh, who? Or are you talking about the kicker too? You know, I know you love Nick Chubb. I do love Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] I don't even know where to go with the Nick Chubb thing. That's another, that's a tough one. Yea, it's five years, but it's like four to the five where we're going, hey, he's one of the three, four best running backs in the game, right? Definitely.


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[Assistant] Ooh, man, what's your gut there? This is a hard one for me. Uhm. I kinda, I mean Josh Cribbs was...


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[Assistant] What do you think? I think the more I sit here and talk about it, the more I think Nick Chubb should be it.


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[Assistant] I feel like I would go Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb over Joe Hayden and Josh Chris. I think so. You know, I mean, like you said, Joe Hayden, it's seven years, you know, Nick Chubb, we're here at six years already.


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[Assistant] And it's five of them were like special. It's like special. Like where we're going, hey, is Nick Chubb the best running back in the game? You're asking me that question like the last three years straight at the end of the season. So I think it's fair. Okay, and it's five years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's a team again, where it's just like, yeah, of course they do. That's why they've been in the Super Bowl hunt and relevant for 23 years straight here this century. Troy Palamalo in.


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[Assistant] You know, won a Super Bowl with them, I mean damn, you know, caught a touchdown pass in the Super Bowl, right? I mean, he has a Super Bowl MVP. Yea, you're right, you're right. He embodied what they meant.


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[Assistant] So, that's where I go. Okay, so, so as we sit here, we got, we got three already?


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[Assistant] I mean, Fanica should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer for my money. I mean, that's how highly I thought of Alan Fanica. Uhm, woah. This is not fun here. You got Marquise Pouncy. Gosh.


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[Assistant] Marquis Pouncy, Casey Hampton was one of the better nose tackles of the generation. Leveon Bell was awesome for a few years there. James Farrier was essential to their success. Cameron Hayward, what he is.


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[Assistant] We know T.J. Watts on his way to being there. I think if I had to give two more names, okay, here would be my two.


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[Assistant] James Harrison and Kim Heyward. There would be, if you wanted to go, okay, we got to make it fi- you know, what do we, what do we got right now? That would be five. I think that would be the five I'd go with.


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[Assistant] Now whether we want to go five, to me it's between Harrison or Cam Hayward, or if we just go six and we give it both. Harrison was one of the top sack artists in football. He did win an NFL defensive MVP, right?


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[Assistant] There was another year where I think he was a top two or three vote getter in the NFL defense MVP conversation. So I don't think we can not have him on this.


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[Assistant] You know, right, he's got the ultimate Super Bowl defensive play. Pete just reminded me in my ear with the interception, 99 yard return for a touchdown. They don't win the game at the Super Bowl if he doesn't make that play.


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[Assistant] So I think he is for sure. Now do we want to make Cam Heyward the sixth? Wait, so is Joey Porter in? As of right now, I'm saying no. And I know, he's awesome.


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[Assistant] I know. This is the problem when you have a legend-


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[Assistant] T.J. Watt too. I know. T.J. Watt, again, we do this two years from now, we're like, yeah, okay, he's on the team, right? We know that. James Ferri, I can't, you know, he was awesome. Joey Porter, I, I, I, man, I know, he was awesome. But I feel like,


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[Assistant] I can't say Porter, I don't feel like Porter was more important or the player Harrison was for that period of time. And I guess I kind of feel the same way with Cam Hayward. Now Pouncy was an all-pro in all but one of his ten seasons with Pittsburgh. Man, maybe we need to have seven. I mean, Pouncy was really good.


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[Assistant] Like he was pretty much always in the conversation for the first seven years of his career of, you know,


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[Assistant] It does seem like a cop out. I don't know what to say here. I don't know what to say here. This is, it's really close. Alright, you know what? TJ Watt, his ultimate high level play, I think is probably better than James Harrison. I get that. But damn, Harrison did it high level for a long time.


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[Assistant] Wait, could we have Josh Allen in here? Fred Jackson. I think I'm comfortable with that.


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[Assistant] Right off the bat. I think Kyle Williams, for the sake of this, is in there too. Kyle Williams was...


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[Assistant] You know, a staple for them for a long, long time. And you know, one of those guys that even when they were bad there in the mid 2000s, you were like, damn, Kyle Williams, he's a handful. Right? Wow.


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[Assistant] I think Brian Mormon probably has to be in there. After looking at this list, it's a little...


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[Assistant] Underwhelming in that department, you know, overall. So Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams, Brian Mormon.


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[Assistant] Right? And then it's like, I don't know where to go from there.


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[Assistant] I'd want to go Matt Milano, but I, you know, I'm not as big a Tridavious White fan as everybody else is in the world. Yeah. Marcel Darius is the other one that, you know, had an


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[Assistant] Pretty incredible run there, right? I mean that was six years, it was really good, and that's why he got paid a crap load of money to go play for the Jacksonville Jaguars, right? And leave there.


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[Assistant] He didn't do anything. He was really hurt at the end of his career.


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[Assistant] But, but it's, we're counting the Buffalo years. That's true, you're right, you're right. So that's where Eric Moulds was really good. I think of Eric Moulds more along the lines of like late 90s being special. I know there's, you know, some years there in 2000 and 2001 where he certainly could have been good too.


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[Assistant] conversation comes in, cause I would just go...


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[Assistant] Yeah, his stats aren't there, but Diggs is, to me, the best receiver to play for the Bills in the last 20 years. No disrespect to Eric Moles, who was a hell of a player, but like, you know, Diggs is, is in that, again, I always go back to, we view him as a top five, top three, top four, whatever receiver in football. So they're special there, but, uh, but only, but only three


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[Assistant] Where would we see Jordan Poirier here? Because Jordan Poirier, I know he started in Cleveland, right? But he's had a good six year run here.


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[Assistant] And, you know, last year wasn't his best, but the years before that were damn damn good.


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[Assistant] So he's a guy that I think about here, but yeaah, this is, this is a


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[Assistant] Cory will probably have been a little bit better. This is, I think, the hardest one we've had of the day. Well, there aren't a whole lot of great options. So you like both those guys over Tridavious White?


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[Assistant] I like Jordan Poyer over him for sure. I feel like I do like Micah Parsons over- I mean Micah Hyde over him as well. Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams. Jordan Poyer. Jordan Poyer. Matt Milano?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You know, the other one I, I gotta like...


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[Assistant] It's just one more, I'm sorry to be that guy, is Aaron Schobel. You know, I know he was a staple of what they did there for a while and he was really damn good and kind of like the marquee guy on their team. Right? I know when I started my career and we played him I think in 2005 early on in the season, I mean, he was a player.


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[Assistant] Right? 78 sacks for his career in Buffalo. And an 8 year career. You know, again, the list is underwhelming, but I feel like that might classify him as being on here.


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[Assistant] Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams, I think Aaron Schobel probably deserves to go on.


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[Assistant] I think, if we're gonna be fair, we probably gotta put Brian Mormon on.


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[Assistant] There were still a lot of good years there, right, you know, in the 2000s. They both got, you know, six, seven quality years in the 2000s. So I'm there for sure.


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[Assistant] Cameron Wake, 98 sacks, best pass rusher in their, you know, franchise other than Jason Taylor. So I think he deserves to be on there too. Cameron Wake is in, right? So we got those three. I personally think Xavier Howard


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[Assistant] Howard's course got, you know, the advantage on them as far, well I guess he's equal to them in years right now, right? He's got more years in the century though, already.


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[Assistant] Xavier Howard, you know, he's right with these guys. These are, these are special corners. I mean, this was a special era for Miami when they had Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Sam Madison, and Patrick Chartain. Damn, they were good on defense. I mean, they were good. They were a handful across the board, everything there.


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[Assistant] So, I feel like Xavier Howard deserves to be on there. Okay. Right? I'm with you. The amount of years he has, he's an island corner, you know how much I respect him, he's one of the few guys in football where the team just goes, you got him, we'll check him with you after the game's over and see how you did. Right? Yes. So, I think so. So, as we sit here right now, that's


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[Assistant] Man, I don't know what to do here. Ricky Williams is in this conversation. You know, he was one of the league leaders in rushing when he was with the Miami Dolphins and really awesome. He really was. You know, I don't think Jake Long makes the cut. I don't think so. You know, I kind of look at Pouncy to a degree.


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[Assistant] It's sneaky. Like, I think, uh, can you read Ricky Williams stats for the, the, the listeners there? Because...


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[Assistant] There's a period there where, you know, he screwed up a little bit with his weed smoking and all that, where he got, you know, banned from the league for a year and whatever, but he came back with the Dolphins for a period of time where it was like, oh no, he's unstoppable.


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[Assistant] Right. Alright. The only one I'm nervous about is those other two corners.


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[Assistant] You know, Madison and Sir Tan. It's, it's, it's, you know, five years and six years for them and damn they were really good. So that's where I...


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[Assistant] Alright, I think we're good. I think I'm good with that. That one's gonna probably keep me up a little bit. Just going, damn, did we mess up putting Ricky Williams over those guys?


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[Assistant] Cause of his kick, right? We shouldn't have started with kickers. I know. Guskowski though, I mean, we're going to sit here and go, well, yeah, they won some Super Bowls with Guskowski too. He might not have had like the end of the game, win it type of field goal.


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[Assistant] He certainly never let them down, and I don't doubt that he would have done that, right? We've had enough of the kicker conversation. Let's talk about the ones that we know for sure. Gronk is in. Definitely.


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[Assistant] Richard Seymour is in. Is in. Definitely. Logan Mankins.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think he is indefinitely, and I think Vince Wolfork is indefinitely.


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[Assistant] So that's right there, four in a row. Okay. Like...


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[Assistant] I would not have thought that Wes Welker had more yards than Edelman when all of a sudden


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's... Alright, so we got four that I feel really good about.


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[Assistant] Now, Welker and Edelman is a real conversation. Welker's stats are better.


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[Assistant] Right? But, you know, Welker's also gonna be like, oh, you know, he dropped that pass against the Giants in the Super Bowl, right? They never won the Super Bowl. Edelman's got some moments of going, wait, that third down against the Seahawks where he got a concussion and then still kept running and that's like a,


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[Assistant] History defining moment. And then you go, oh wait, two years later, that ball that should have been intercepted by like seven Falcons players, but then he caught the ball an inch from the ground, right?


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[Assistant] So, Edelman, I think, would be the choice between him and Welker. If we go with a wide receiver. If we go with the receiver, because the other guy that I think goes into this conversation is Devin McCordy.


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[Assistant] Harrison's quality there was, was amazing. I mean we know that. McCordy's though was also really, really damn good and did it for 13 years straight. That's where I guess I'd just give him the edge. Right? I know Rodney's was, was awesome. San Diego some with Rodney. Yeah, I mean Rodney,


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[Assistant] Are you okay with that? You think we're good there? So we have six, right? Yeah. That gives us six.


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[Assistant] We're gonna leave the kickers off apparently. This team's good enough to wear the kickers. Sorry, you got screwed. I think you're right. You know?


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[Assistant] You know, him and Matthew Slater are both legends.


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[Assistant] But I, you know, Bruski is more of like a New England, you know, he's, he's, I don't think he's as quality as a player as some of the guys we have here, right? Awesome leader embodies what they think, or what Patriots are supposed to be about, but yea, I don't think he's quite in that, that crew there.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, well let me guess, let me think, but he had a lot of, he had some 90s too, right? You know, so that's where I, he's a little bit, that's what stinks about those guys is they're stuck a little bit in between the century there and a little into the 90s and the early 2000s. But I think, I think we got it right here.


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[Assistant] Right. I think DePercashaw Ferguson's been. Okay.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeah, I would say so. Damn. I also, I think I want to say Nick Mangold probably deserves to be in.


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[Assistant] Nick Mangold was, for the better part of his time there, drafted out of Ohio State. Playing for the Jets was...


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[Assistant] I mean, that's the reason they got rid of Kevin Mawai. You know, or, or, or, that transition went so smoothly, cause they were like, hey, we just got rid of a Hall of Famer, and now we got another guy that's...


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[Assistant] Yea, I mean, you know, a borderline Hall of Famer. I don't think he ever gets in, but he's like a Ring of Honor Jets player at the very least. Yea, Nick Mangold's in. Yea, I think so. Schmangold, as we like to call him. Alright, so yea, there, there's, uh, now this is where


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't think John Abraham, he's, we talked about him with the Falcons, he made it there. He did make it there, yes. Right? He was really good. I think Sean Ellis though was probably a guy that...


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[Assistant] He's on our list here that Pete put on, and I, I, I would think that he, I agree, he needs to be on here. He led the Jets and Saks in the 2000s. Yeah. He was the, he was the guy.


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[Assistant] In those years where, you know, Chad Pennington was the quarterback and, you know, where you were like, oh, who you gotta block on the Jets? It was Sean Ellis. That was the, the guy you had to stop. So I think that's where he classifies and, and certainly earns a spot there. So as of right now, that gave us five, right? Right. No, no Curtis Martin. Oof.


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[Assistant] Curtis is, it, it, it is really good. You know, I, I, I guess, you know, he's another guy that's the, I think of him as in more of the 90s, right? Cause of what he did with the Patriots.


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[Assistant] Before that, coming to the Jets. It was only three years with the Patriots. It was only three years? What were his statistics like? So I know like 98 Jets were good. 99 his stats were good. What were his 2000 to 2005 stats there? Very good.


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[Assistant] That was the last hurrah. They drove him into the ground. So he has to go in. He's on the team. Is that six? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I think it's, I think it's okay too. I mean, yeah. I, I guess if, I guess if we had to reevaluate, I'd, I'd maybe take Nick Mangold off, but. No. No.


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[Assistant] to the poll where you can vote on the best 21st century non QB for all 32 teams. You can vote for as many or as few as you want.


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[Assistant] And then we'll release the results. We will release the results. Yes, during our hiatus and then do a bracket and we'll figure out who is the greatest player of the 21st century.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I would until Ray Lewis popped into my head. I think you lose on that one, right? There's going to be a few others that are going to go, but they're like, Ray is, uh, I got to think Ray's going to be in the final four. Aaron Donald's going to be in the final four maybe.


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[Assistant] Right? Randy Moss. Randy Moss. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Cause this is where we're gonna see what the fans really think about quality and quantity too and the balance there.


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[Assistant] Right. Who'd you say peed in my ear? Gronk is another one. Yea, he probably will come down to at least the final eight or so. I can see that happening.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the alignment will probably get shit on like they usually do. That's what happens when you're in alignment, unfortunately. They can handle it though. Uh, but yeah, hopefully we can continue to shed light on them here at the Chris Sims on Button podcast.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ahmed, you good? You good? Anything else you want to say? I'm done. You good? Where are you going to baseball this weekend? Uh, we're going to Chicago. Wrigley Field. Oh man. First time in the central time zone. Bucket list. I need to go to that stadium and see that. Yeah, who they playing? They're playing the Orioles. The Orioles. Okay. Orioles still good. They're still good. Hey, you know, AL East baseball. I mean, it's just like it's its own league in itself.


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[Assistant] They should get extra, uh, credit for the


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[Assistant] Alright, so there you have it. You know where to find Ahmed during the hiatus. He's going to be on Peacock on Sundays, alright. He'll be at baseball games. He gets a break from this as we all do. You know, we got one more podcast coming out. You'll see it next week. We're going to do a little bit of a, you know, bet, drah, uh, bet.


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[Assistant] Props type of thing with our man Jake Croucher. He's gonna, we're gonna have some fun with him and talk a little bit about the upcoming season, but you know where to find us. Subscribe rate review. We'll be back in late July on a two, two time a week basis. And as you know, once the season starts, it becomes three times a week.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna be probably on the road a little bit, training camp, visit a few QBs here and there, right? Uhm, so, uh, everybody though, enjoy the break, cause this is one of the last times you're gonna hear us live.


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[Assistant] You are. I love working with you. Good luck and have fun over this break and then we'll see you in a few weeks. Come back recharged. Come back recharged maybe with something new to end the pot other than CLAP IT UP!


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[Assistant] It's Chris Simms on Button, episode number 509. Ahmed Farid is here. He's wearing his red pants so you know it's a special edition of the show. Big day. Hope everybody's good. Morgan is here. Have no fear. She just sat down. She's looking at her phone. She's getting everything ready for us here. But it's a good day. Hope you're good. You have a good weekend last weekend? Good weekend. I was back home.


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[Assistant] What is, uh, have you been to that stadium before? Comerica? Yes. I'm intrigued by that one. There's a bunch of new stadiums in baseball, or I consider that new, or newer, that I want to see that look like they have a great setting.


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[Assistant] Right, I always am envious of that one. The one in Pittsburgh. You can see the city is right there in the background. It looks all like walkable, so you don't have to worry about driving home drunk or anything like that.


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[Assistant] Why are you so proper form, like?


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[Assistant] Nothing special. Yeah, I got nothing like doubleheader baseball yesterday, Saturday, uh, my mom and my aunt came to the house. Uh, yeah, Friday night was baseball. There was a game and my daughter and


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[Assistant] Getting her where she needed to go. That was about it. It was simple, but I'm down for simple right now. This was the first weekend and I don't know how long.


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[Assistant] That I didn't have to watch film of something. Yes. To go, I need to prepare for a quarterback counting, a draft ranking, whatever, a game to break down, whatever. So that was like nice to not like be


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[Assistant] I gotta look, I've lost track. What teams are even still in football right now? What teams are actually still going at this moment? It's a limited number, if any actually. I'm not even sure if anything is going on this week in the NFL. You know, most teams broke last week. They get to that mid-June.


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[Assistant] You know, and it's five weeks away. But if they are doing anything, it's just practice. Yeah, it's just practice. Well, it's practice and it's easy practice. That's why you see some of these teams just wipe away that last two or three days because they just go, oh, we got this far without getting anybody hurt.


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[Assistant] Let's just call it quits and get to training camp, right? And that's what you saw the Jets do, a number of teams do. Uh, I think that's kind of their, their thought process in that though.


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[Assistant] That's right. Damn those quarterbacks who get all that attention all the time. So yea, I like this. We talk about quarterbacks constantly. We know how important the quarterbacks are. We know Tom Brady is the best player in Patriots organization, right? Yes.


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[Assistant] Debate though, about who's those next guy in some of these teams. And then there's great debate and I think what we're gonna try to do is narrow it down to a four, five, six man list to let the homies vote on it. And I think there's great debate in that too.


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[Assistant] To the point where I'm nervous, I'm really nervous that this is gonna come back and fly, like somebody's gonna be like, you forgot this guy, and I'm gonna go, I can't believe we forgot that guy, we're such idiots. So here's what I'm scared of. That is gonna happen, but that's okay.


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[Assistant] It does seem to start, it does seem to start there. East Coast bias, right? I mean, I don't know. Let's think about that. Actually, that's a good conversation in itself. Out of all the divisions in football in the NFC,


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[Assistant] Who's the division that's won the most Super Bowls? I would think the NFC East is probably actually leading that, so that therefore they get to be first, okay? So eat that! How do you like them apples?


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[Assistant] I think that is actually, that's actually interesting. I never even thought about that, but you think about the Cowboys, right? They've won five, the Giants four, the Eagles one, and then Washington with three. I think that's in the leader house there.


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[Assistant] I think so. I think that's the best way to do it, right? Let's just go slam dunk right off the bat. And I think that there's three on the right side of our column that I think are slam dunk. At least, Demarcus Ware, right? I think that's slam dunk. I think Jason Witten's slam dunk, right? You're agreeing with me?


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[Assistant] Okay, Zack Martin, I'm gonna go slam dunk there. I think Zack Martin's on, on the, on his way to being, he's gonna hall, hall of fame guard. Right? So those are three for sure. Man. I know.


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[Assistant] Cause Tyrone Smith, yea, like Micah's not gonna make it. Micah's not, no. Even though Micah's awesome, and if we do this five years from now, he's on the list probably. Not enough. But not enough right now. Right? So now we're like, Tyrone Smith, of course, is awesome as well.


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[Assistant] Sure, sure. So we got De- Alright, so. Alright, so. You're not sold on my three yet. But you're sold on which part? Demarcus Ware and Zack Martin at least? Demarcus Ware and Zack Martin. Okay. Ezekiel Elliott? You wanna throw him in that combo?


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[Assistant] You know, I think he's worthy of it. When you talk about, so this is a team that could maybe, maybe have six. I don't know.


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[Assistant] I know, his best years, right, he still was good in those early 2000s, you know, but I, I, I, and Larry Allen, I mean,


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[Assistant] He's one of, he's an all-time great. That's where it's, it's a tough one too here. Right? So, as we stand here right now, the only ones I wanna cross off for sure are Terrell Owens and Michael Parsons. And then the other group, the rest of the group, like, I think what we gotta get down to here, I mean, Jason Whitten is going to the Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] I don't think we can not have him on the list. You're right. He's one of the generation's best tight ends. I think if we talk about the last 20 years, right, you're gonna talk about Gronk, Tony Gonzalez,


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[Assistant] At least the ones that were mainly in this century. And his career spanned almost all of the 2000s too. It really did. It's longevity and, and, you know, the quality. So it's got everything there. It's just his broadcasting career. Wasn't that great. So maybe I'm holding that against him. Left a bad taste in our mouth. Alright, Jason Witton's in. Okay. So we got three for sure.


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[Assistant] Are we gonna say Dez for sure? Are you gonna say Dez over to Zeke Elliott? Are you gonna say Dez over to Tyrone Smith?


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[Assistant] Like see, I feel like Tyron Smith has to be on there too.


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[Assistant] I feel like we have to have Tyrone Smith, Zack Martin, Jason Witten, Demarcus Ware all on, and then we gotta figure out who's the next one on that group that we add.


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[Assistant] He's still really good. I mean, again, Larry Allen's in the com-


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[Assistant] I go, again, I know that everybody out there is not privy to our computer here, but we have a column of guys, and I go to the right column again, and I...


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[Assistant] I wanna, I wanna say that there's four on the right column that I think have to be in. Alright, Michael Strahan, he has to be in. Yes. Right?


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[Assistant] OCU Menura, same thing. I mean, they won two Super Bowls because of those three guys. I mean, they were, other than Eli Manning, they're the biggest things going.


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[Assistant] And then I look at Jason Pierre Paul, who helped him win one of them.


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[Assistant] But went through a phase where, I mean, he was the best defense end in football for four or five years.


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[Assistant] So that's where I look at that group right there, and even though we got some impressive names we'll hit here on the offense, I feel like they were more staples of the Giants greatness through those first, you know, 22 years. Yea, you've got four edge guys already in. I know, holy crap. It just tells you why, no wonder they won two Super Bowls, right? That's true.


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[Assistant] I, I tend to lean Tiki on that conversation. You know, again, we're talking about the player. Yeaah. I think, you know, first off, Saekwon, the injury, it's still early in his career. Yeaah, he hasn't quite got the support to show what he totally can do until last year maybe, so I think he gets crossed out. You know, Tiki was special.


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[Assistant] He was a guy that could run for a thousand and receive for a thousand. We can't let what he was or how he's viewed by the public


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[Assistant] I think so. You know, I mean, he was the main offensive weapon for a team that went to the Super Bowl in this year 2000, right? That was 2000. So that to me is where he stays. So at least for right now, we got five. Now it gets into some interesting wide receiver conversation. Ahmed, what do you think?


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[Assistant] Victor Cruz, what, seven years? Yeah. Victor Cruz, I mean, he was, you know, a camp buzz, undrafted, came out of nowhere.


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[Assistant] And, you know, became a star of the team for a little bit there. Hakeem Nix, man, we don't win the second Super Bowl against the Patriots without him and, you know, the play he makes up in Green Bay and some of the things he did in that football game. I don't think anybody had more of an, I don't know, I'm gonna say a direct


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[Assistant] But I, I, I mean, I don't, he's not winning, I think, to your point. That's a nice thing, I think you, I think it's a good question to ask ourselves. He's not gonna be the guy. He's not gonna be the guy, nor do I think anybody would make him the final two or three guys, out of the guys we've mentioned. I think we're, we're on to something.


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[Assistant] You know, I think that's fair. You know, I know Chris Knee is in that conversation. Sean O'Hara, right? The great center.


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[Assistant] He'd probably be another guy that deserves to be in the conversation and their greatness and what they did for, you know, the Giants football team, but I think we got the five there.


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[Assistant] Next level stars, stars here in the area. I mean, Jeremy Shockey, man, when he came out of the scene, come on, he was one of the first of his kind.


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[Assistant] If anybody, like, if you weren't around or you weren't, you know, you were too young to remember, Jeremy Shockey came into the NFL and we were all like, who is this crazy dude that just runs over people and doesn't care about anything? I mean, it was kind of, it was amazing. He was a little bit gronkish before gronk, except maybe a little more, you know,


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[Assistant] The Eagles have been to three Super Bowls this century and a bunch of NFC championship games and seem like they've been in the playoffs almost every year except for a year or two here and there. So that's like, I think the first thing, uh, Jason Kelsey.


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[Assistant] And Jason Peters, the two Jasons go in right away for me. I think so.


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[Assistant] I don't know, did we just talk about four Hall of Famers right there? I think that might be four Hall of Famers. That's what's amazing. Fletcher Cox was on the All-2010s team. Fletcher Cox was the best defensive tackle in football until Aaron Donald came around and then it was him and Aaron Donald were the best in football for a while.


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[Assistant] And then, just here recently, Fletcher Cox was supplanted by the Jeffrey Simmons and the Chris Jones of the world. But he's still damn good. But yes, I...


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[Assistant] The two names, I know, I feel like you were good, but I also look at like, man, Westbrook and McCoy, wow. And then the other name that I throw in there, Westbrook, McCoy, and Brandon Graham I do think deserves to be in this conversation.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna guess he's somewhere again. He's at 70. He's at 70. Alright, it's a little lower than I thought.


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[Assistant] No disrespect there. Only one Pro Bowl. Only one Pro Bowl, okay. Damn, they had David Akers too. I mean, they could legitimately go, man, David Akers could be on the list of our football team here. Damn, Zach Ertz, we forget about him and what he did there. John Runyon. If you had a pick between Leshawn and Brian Westbrook, where would you go there?


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[Assistant] I think I would go Leshawn McCoy. Yeaah. I think I would too. And I really love Bryan Westbrook and he was a big part of those Donovan McNabb championship Super Bowl team. But yeaah, Leshawn McCoy, I think we should have 6 for them.


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[Assistant] I think we're on a sixth team here. I think this is a Jason Peters, Jason Kelsey, Lane Johnson, Fletcher Cox, Brian Dawkins, and we throw in LaShawn McCoy in there as well. Yep, LaShawn McCoy.


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[Assistant] We are big dude, well, we are- Give them some credit. Yeah, we're prone to, when in doubt, give the big dude the love. Yes. I think the Eagles fans are smart enough football fans, right? That they're gonna- they appreciate the big dudes too. Yep. Right? Now, I mean, they might throw a battery out of my head when I walk out of the building here later, but they know they're football. Yes. Alright? So that's what I do know, for sure. They would argue that's why they're


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[Assistant] Final six, I think so. And that's a tough, I mean that was tough. That really was.


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[Assistant] You know that. 100%. Trev Williams is, I think, in the conversation for the best tackle of our era, right? So I'm with you there, now who do you think my other two that are slam dunking are?


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[Assistant] He's young, not yet. He's up for conversation here. Okay. He's up for conversation. That corner though. D'Angelo Hall. I'm gonna go D'Angelo. D'Angelo was a phenomenal football player. You know, longevity and the quality all match up. Quantity and quality. So that's where I would go D'Angelo Hall. And then. Ryan Kerrigan? I don't know.


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[Assistant] Definitely, definitely. The leader of the team, probably one of the most underrated linebackers.


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[Assistant] You know, of the era, just because he wasn't sexy or loud or, you know, didn't have a good dance after he made a tackle or whatever else. He was undersized, right? So I think that's where I'm, I'm, uh, I'm a little, yeah, I'm prone to put him in there. I think definitely he deserves to be in that conversation.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, the other one I look at is, is, is, is Chris Samuels. You know, they got the old lineman for Washington back in the day. The tackle, right? He was a really damn good, I mean, Pete, I don't know if you can look it up on the hurt. Six Pro Bowls, right?


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[Assistant] He'd be one that probably needs to be in this conversation as well. But you throw him in there, and then we get into Clinton Portis, Santana Moss. Where do you lean on that? Right there. I feel like...


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[Assistant] It's for me a little bit where we got our, we got four right now, right?


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[Assistant] And I feel like I wanna let, like, go with either Chris Samuels or Santana Moss as that fifth, fifth guy. Yeaah. Right? How do you feel? You got any thoughts about that?


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[Assistant] I think so. It's tough. I mean, Portis was really good. I think I would lend myself to go to Santana Moss as well. But...


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[Assistant] Lance Briggs, and you know, and listen, I'm not the only one that would tell you this, like,


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[Assistant] Lance Briggs was phenomenal. Like, I don't know, Urlacher squashed Lance Briggs hype, right?


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[Assistant] And I have ultimate respect for Brian Urlacher, right? I don't know if I ever thought he should have been the first Ballot Hall of Famer like Ray Lewis was. I thought there was a difference there.


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[Assistant] But definitely a Hall of Famer. But my point of saying that is, there was years we played the Bears where we went, Lance Briggs is better than Erlacher this year, right? There was a few, don't get me wrong, there was other years where we went, man, Erlacher's playing great. He's the man.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I, I, I, whether, whether I was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the Tennessee Titans, I think I played the Bears like four or five times in that span there.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, it was probably half and half on certain years where we went, no, no, Briggs is the guy we gotta worry about this game, right? He's, he's gotta worry about Briggs. You know, then the next year the Urlacher would make a comeback or, you know, he'd probably get sick of people hearing about Briggs being better and then he would be better, right? So those two, I, I, I think those two,


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[Assistant] Right? And he's a lynchpin of what they are. I mean, we think of him and them, like, together. I think Charles Peanut Tillman's another one I gotta throw on there.


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[Assistant] He wasn't like your lockdown, put him on an island, Daryl Rivas corner, I get it, but he was really damn good. And then he was an amazing tackler to go on top of that.


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[Assistant] And then I go, I don't know what the hell to do for the fit. That's where it gets tough. So Matt Forte, another name. I know. We could throw in here. Damn. Forte? Olin Krutz was phenomenal.


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[Assistant] Alright, so what do you think? Do you want to put all the recruits in?


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[Assistant] Olin Cruz is the fifth guy? I think so. Olin Cruz is, you know, again, I think he's a borderline Hall of Fame center. And, you know, to play that long, to be that good at that position.


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[Assistant] He was a staple of those teams that, you know, went to the Super Bowl, made some playoff runs there with Jake Cutler and Rhett Grossman. I think that's probably where I would lean. And no Matt Forte? As much as I love Matt Forte,


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[Assistant] No, I think I would just, he'd be just on the outside looking in here. It hurts me to say, because I think Matt Forte was phenomenal. That's what's so sad about football. Football's got so many legends and there's just so many players that just fall by the wayside that people won't ever realize how good they are. Forte, a legend in my mind.


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[Assistant] Akeem Hicks who was there for a while. He was amazing. Let me bring up another name, a blast in the past. Mike Brown. I don't know if you remember. Mike Brown, safety out of Nebraska.


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[Assistant] For a while, he was like, he was Bob Sanders. Remember Bob Sanders and the Colts? It was the same kind of guy. It was like, where is this guy? He's gonna ruin the game plan. We have to have him accounted for at all times.


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[Assistant] You know, smaller, compact, kamikaze type guy, right? And they fall apart in a hurry. But a phenomenal football player. Yea, he played quite a bit. Nine years in Chicago.


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[Assistant] What about, I mean, I feel like, what about Sue? Does Sue make the list for you, even though it's a five year career?


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[Assistant] He was. I mean, he was, he was, you know, there's a reason he became the highest paid defensive player ever when he signed the new contract with the Miami Dolphins. He was the best defensive tackle in football. I think we gotta put him up. He's in. He is in there. And then, probably Darius Slay too. I think Darius Slay has to be in.


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[Assistant] Now after that, that's where it gets a little tough to figure out.


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[Assistant] Cause there's not like Frank, yea, we're thinking of Frank, but Frank's, you know, is still early in his career. Correct. Taylor Decker's another one that I think is honestly, I mean, Taylor Decker's been, what'll be going on here? Year eight or nine of him being your franchise left tackle? It's a pretty good run.


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[Assistant] You know? That's what stinks about some of this stuff too, is just sometimes you need to be on a team that people know you're good. I know. You know, like if you're not on national TV and you're not in playoff games, you could be an awesome left tackle and everyone's like, oh, whoa, I didn't know he was that good of a player. That's the tough thing about football. Hey, I got an ex-teammate of mine from college in Texas, Sean Rogers. Sean Rogers was


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[Assistant] The best nose tackle in football for a short period of time. I mean, he moves unblockable. It was like, oh, we're playing Detroit and Sean Rogers. We have to double him. There's no way our center can take him on man to man.


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[Assistant] That's another one where I'm just like, man, Barry Sanders retired and we've gone the whole century here without anybody that's like, not even like the jumps into your brain a little bit.


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[Assistant] I actually, like as we sit here and do this, like, you know, I'm actually like, okay, wait, this is the first one where I'm going, let me just refresh my brain here and look at stats and like go through it a little bit with like download driver.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know, there's a part of me that thinks Devonte Adams has got to go in too. But I would also think that Jordy Nelson then would have to go in. I know, I know. Jordy was...


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[Assistant] I guess where I think about it with like, Devon, I mean, uh, Jordy Nelson was really good, but what, and again, was, but more a part of a, a little bit of a committee-ish, I guess, is where I change it, my thought, and would favor Devonte Adams, where it was like, no, no, no, when Devonte was there, it was Devonte.


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[Assistant] And that was it, right? So that's where it's like a little different, I think in my estimation there.


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[Assistant] I think if you talk about, like, true, just establishing yourself on the organization and the league and all that, like, Jordan Nelson was never considered the top receiver in football, and Devontae Adams was.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so. I think so. Yep, that's okay. Now, on our list here, the guys on the right.


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[Assistant] I think of the next three I want to say need to go in.


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[Assistant] You know, I know Julius Peppers and we had a few other guys here and there who have certainly been good. Bakhtiari is, you know, I mean he's a generational left tackle and we know Charles Woodson is one of the greatest


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[Assistant] So that's where I lean on them. Man, they've had a lot of good players there. Uh, they really have and good linemen. You see why they've been good, but it is also funny. They don't have like some of the stars I feel like we've seen in some of the other ones or some of the teams we'll see as we go along here.


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[Assistant] Corey Linsley, I mean, you talk about him. Hey, Aaron Jones is certainly special. Uh, who else? Brian Bulaga was a damn good tackle. I mean...


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[Assistant] Lot of good players there to talk about, but I think we got the five right here. I'm on green, four time Pro Bowler. Oh. Man. He's the one that's gonna hurt leaving off the list, I think.


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[Assistant] Aman, man, he's definitely one of those guys that I would say in my early part of my career, Aman, there's only a few in my life.


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[Assistant] But like, I guess his was a little bit like, wow, I just didn't realize he was this good and that big and that thick and like that great body control. He was a really, really good football player. But yeah, I don't think I'm going to put him on the list.


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[Assistant] He was a much, like, Jordy Nelson was a big play guy. You know, that's what people didn't realize. Came out of Kansas State.


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[Assistant] And he kind of played this weird stand up tight end position in Kansas State where they used to put their hands on their hips, if you remember that, back in the day. I do remember that. And he just came in the NFL and was like one of those guys where I think it's like a lot of white receivers. They go,


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[Assistant] He's not going to run by me. He's not going to run by me. I'm not, I'm going to squat on him a little bit. I'm not going to let him run the slant. Oh no, he's running by me. Oh no, it's a touchdown. Uh, I felt like a lot of people had to learn their lesson the hard way from, from Jordy Nelson. So there it


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[Assistant] I guess, but that, that, that I think is going to be very


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[Assistant] I mean the first guy we're putting in. Adrian Peterson. Definitely. Is in. Adrian Peterson for me is...


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[Assistant] You know, in person he's the greatest running back I ever saw in my life. I can say that, like, not even blinking an eye. Randy Moss is in. I think so too. I know it's only five years in this century, but it doesn't matter. It was the five best years anybody's had in the Vikings, as far as receiver.


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[Assistant] So he's in, I'm with you there. Justin Jefferson, not enough yet.


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[Assistant] I, I, I thought about him before we started the show just because a little bit where you want to go, I, it's been so good though for two years and you're like, this year might be so good to where we go, damn, we should have had him on the list, right? But I, I think for, for, yeah, the sake of the exercise,


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[Assistant] I like what we got so far. We got Adrian, Randy, and Hutchinson. I think those are three slam dunks. Yep. Okay. Now, where we get into, like...


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[Assistant] Jared Allen. Jared Allen, yes. Four time all-profile.


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[Assistant] And then the other aspect that I think I fall into with him is just that, you know, he was on the Chiefs too. Yes. And was damn good there as well. Right?


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[Assistant] And then, I'm gonna throw another name in there that people don't realize, cause it's not sexy, but that's what we're here to do, cause we're the legs and ass podcast. Kevin Williams. The defensive tackle, out of Oklahoma State.


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[Assistant] If you remember, he was the draft pick, the guy they picked when they didn't get the card up in time in that draft in 2003, right? Well, Kevin Williams is who they drafted. I got experience with him because he hit me a lot in college when I was at Texas City at Oklahoma State.


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[Assistant] Like, there's again, that's what sucks about football. He was awesome. He was an unbelievable defensive tackle. 11 years. Kick butt. Staple of that defense. You know? Right? Pete's in my ear. They had the Williams wall. But like, I don't


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[Assistant] I don't know. I'm not sure. I think he goes in. I think he goes in. You think we put him in? Kevin Williams, yep. Yeah, good. Alright, good. I like where we're going here.


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[Assistant] Now the other, only other one to me here that's worth the conversation, right?


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[Assistant] And we've hit on it. I mean, so right now we have four, right? Or we have five. We have four. Kevin Williams.


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[Assistant] Okay, now, Matt Burke, Jared Allen, and I do think Karen Smith probably should be.


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[Assistant] In this combo too. I mean, Harrison Smith is what? What are we going on here? You're 11? I think you're right. I mean, that's where...


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[Assistant] He's, this is a team that's got, you know, some history with safety, but I think he's gonna go down, and that's the best safety in the history of the organization. You know, I don't know if he goes to the Hall of Fame, I don't think so, but I think he's like, Ring of Honor, Minnesota Vikings type of player, right? So, that's where I get into it. And that's where it's tough.


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[Assistant] I think this is one where we go six peeps. I think so. Okay, cool. I'm down with that. I am. I'm cool with that. I like the six we got right there. Sorry Justin Jefferson. Yep. Sorry Matt Burke. Sorry Matt Burke. Damn, Matt Burke. Matt Burke lives around me. He might see this. Oh no, so do you want to just put him in? No skin off my back.


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[Assistant] Man, you wouldn't think about, think of that when you, uh, when you think about the Vikings overall. You know, Eric Kendricks, he's another guy that, you know, again, now he's left town, he's not on the team anymore, but damn, I mean, he was really good for a while. You talk about, you know, Everson Griffin.


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[Assistant] And the run he had there, you know, with Mike Zimmer and company, they got a lot of good, honorable mentions, I guess is what we're saying. You see why the Vikings have kind of been relevant for the last 20 years in torturing Floreo.


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[Assistant] It was a lot of good years of receptions and that. Warg Dunn I think is one that would probably need to put on. I would say Warg Dunn and Julio Jones right off the bat. I'm gonna say yes. Warg Dunn, Julio Jones, okay.


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[Assistant] I know he put on some stats, I mean they were, they were legit there.


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[Assistant] I think Grady Jarrett probably deserves to be on there. I think Grady Jarrett too. You know, I would argue Grady Jarrett's been the best defensive player on their team through the 2000s, right? Resulted in a Super Bowl appearance. He's a disruptor. He's an awesome football player.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, so we got three right now. Julio Dunn, Grady Jarrett.


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[Assistant] Julio, Warwick Dunn, Grady Jarrett, I think Keith Brooking probably needs to be put on there. Keith Brooking, linebacker, yep. He was a force. He was a really good football player.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then this is where I, you know, the fifth one is, is, this is the hardest part of it. The fifth one between, you know, Jonathan Abram, Michael Turner who led the league in rushing,


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[Assistant] Algie Crumpler, who was a really good damn tight end. Alex Mack, who...


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[Assistant] You know, when he was there, it was the best center in football, right? Shanahan, Shanahan got him there from, I believe, Cleveland right before that, if I remember correctly.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright, let's do that. I'll lean on that. He definitely was their best pass rusher of the century. That's for sure. They stole him from the New York Jets in free agency in 2006. I was on the Tampa Bay and I was like, oh gosh, they got Jonathan Abram. Damn, that's gonna be, you know, a little harder when we play Atlanta now.


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[Assistant] I know. Are we being, are we being, are we, are we not giving Roddy his due respect here? You know, should we put, should we be putting Roddy White in over Jonathan Abram? Ooh.


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[Assistant] There's a, the safety Jonathan Abram is getting in my head. Sorry about that. Let's give him six. Okay. Let's give him Roddy White too. Fine. Alright, let's cop out and give it six and put the pressure on the homies to narrow it down. It's up to them now. Man, this is not easy.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's any doubt. Julius Peppers? Definite. Greg Olson? Uhm.


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[Assistant] Yes. Wow. This is going to be easy. They're going to be the easiest ones yet. Steve Smith? Yes. Hundred percent. Christian McCaffrey.


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[Assistant] The guy who took my spleen. Oh. Right? Threw it on the floor and stepped on it. You would do that? And said a mumsy bye. You shall die. No, uh.


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[Assistant] They had some players there in Carolina. They were the scariest defensive line I played against on a regular basis in my short time in the NFL. Alright, Steve Smith, Greg Olson.


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[Assistant] Julius Peppers, Luke Keakley, guaranteed for.


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[Assistant] I want to tend to go to Thomas Davis. I do. Thomas Davis to me is, you know, yeaah, he was one of the better linebackers in football there for a while. He was certainly the


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[Assistant] Him and Keakley, the captain of the ship on that 2015 Super Bowl team. Yeaah. Right? 2016, I think that was. Yes, 2016. 2015, I'm right.


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[Assistant] You want to be the bigger, bigger man here. You want to be the bigger man, despite what he did to you. I don't, I don't care what he did to me. But I do think he deserves to be in this, this voting here. I do. McCaffrey,


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[Assistant] I, we know the talent McCaffrey is, but McCaffrey too, like last year was, so like, okay, he played there in 22. It wasn't that special, right? 21 he was hurt, right? So that's where I want to go, yeah, he was special and he's one of the more special players they've had, but I don't know if he's the best Panther that they've had, if I had to really break it down over


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[Assistant] I don't think so either. To me it's the next guys are like Chris Jenkins of the world, awesome defensive tackle who was the other part of taking my spleen away. Right? He would have been. And I guess that's it. Like I did think like,


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[Assistant] Right, 6,000 yards Pete says, right, so he was a good player, definitely one of the legends of their franchise, but he's not going to make this list.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Smash and Dash. That's what they tried to, they tried to change their name. They tried to take Chris Johnson and Lindell White, who called them Smell, I can still remember, in the locker room,


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[Assistant] They had already called themselves Smash and Dash, CJ2K and, and, uh, and, uh, Lendell White, right?


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[Assistant] But somebody comes to them, I remember walking by Lindell White's locker and they're going, you know, the Carolina guys are calling themselves Smash and Dash and he's like, well, we've had this nickname for like six weeks. He's like, so you can just start calling them fraud and fraudulent.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's, it's, this is, it's a strong team here.


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[Assistant] This is a pretty strong five. It's hard. Like, Khalil's awesome. And so is Jordan Gross. But, I don't know, the five we are, and yeaah, maybe we're a little prone to sexiness and stats and all that to where, yeaah, I think...


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[Assistant] I think it's going to be between these five. Back to your main thing. None of those two, Ryan Collier or Jordan Gross, are going to win this exercise.


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[Assistant] I think you're probably right. You also have Deuce McAllister there. Damn.


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[Assistant] They got some good ones too here. I think Cameron Jordan's definitely in. Cam Jordan's in. We know that. I think Jabri Evans is definitely in.


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[Assistant] Now, you know, Will Smith would be another one I'd probably throw on there.


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[Assistant] You know, Will Smith, again, you know, the great, the late great Will Smith who was, you know, unjustly murdered because of a road rage incident, right?


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[Assistant] He, uhm, was a lot, he was the Cameron Jordan of his time, right? The guy where it's like, yeaah, he doesn't get 15 sacks a year, but damn, we don't want to run at him, damn.


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[Assistant] We can't leave our tackle one on one against him all the time, we gotta help him out a little bit, right? So he wasn't like Julius Peppers, don't get me wrong, but like, kind of one of the unknown forces in the NFL on defensive line that I don't think people knew how damn good he was. So that's where I wanna...


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[Assistant] I wanna lean on that a little bit. Sure, we'll give him the credit that he did not get during his playing career. I think so, I like that. Okay, cool. Alright, so now this is the hard part though, here now. So we got four, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, Mark Ingram was a hell of a player. Michael Thomas.


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[Assistant] Who's disappeared for the last three years, which is what makes me think we don't want to put him on the list.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't, Joe Horn is certainly in my thoughts here. What do you lean on here? That's hard. You know? I don't know either. I'm a little stuck here with this one. I think if I was really going to be true to it and talk about, I feel like we should go Roman Harper.


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[Assistant] You know, Alabama, of course, part of their, you know, NFC champion, NFC team that lost to the Bears in the championship game and the one that won the Super Bowl, right? He was really phenomenal. Two-time Pro Bowler. Yep. You know, do we want to put him?


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[Assistant] You know, is Jimmy Graham, are we being stupid there, Jimmy Graham?


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[Assistant] You know, Jimmy Graham was such a force of nature. It was only a five year run, but he was like a true game changer. As I tell people all the time, Jimmy Graham is bigger than Gronk. I know people probably can't realize that, but if you saw Jimmy Graham next to Gronk, you'd go, oh my gosh, I never thought that Jimmy Graham was bigger than him.


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[Assistant] You know, he wasn't as physical and didn't block like him, and I think that's what maybe leads to that perception there.


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[Assistant] You talk about one on ones or a big guy who can box you out and jump up and get the ball and do all that. That's where I'm a little torn here. You know, so what do we want to go there? Like four or five years of great stats, but the guy also wasn't a great run blocker. And which is I think also the reason that led him to go into Seattle.


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[Assistant] But another name here, Marcus Colston. I know. Marcus Colston is the, he was the invention of the big slot.


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[Assistant] That's what he is. He gave them the idea to go, wait, we don't need Michael Thomas to be on the outside, we can put him inside. And let him do that. So that's... I think... You wanna go Colson or Horne?


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[Assistant] Malcolm Jenkins, I think of him. That's a pass catcher. Uhm, yeaah. Alright, I think let's go with him. Marcus Colston? I think so. Okay.


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[Assistant] You know, again, I recognize that Michael Thomas is a better talent than him, but


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[Assistant] He hasn't done it these as long or to the, you know, the, the, the consistent quality that Colson has. So I, I think that's fair. You know, the, the problem with that is too is Horn was a bigger play guy. So people are going to look at that and go, well, man, Horn, you know, he could take you deep and do all that stuff. But I think we're okay with Marques Colson. I like that.


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[Assistant] He's definitely another part of the group where you go, man, he's just on the outside looking in, uh, but definitely thought about him.


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[Assistant] Right? But it is like, like those four years were like insanity good. So that's where it's, it's, it's, it's tough.


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[Assistant] He was unblockable. He was Aaron Donald of that time. So even though that's a short period of time he's to have, I think so.


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[Assistant] I think you, you probably gotta put Simeon Rice into. That's just my base thoughts off the top. We can discuss that, but Simeon Rice.


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[Assistant] You know, I think he's the best pass rusher in franchise history. He's a borderline hall of fame talent. He's over a hundred sacks career, right, Simeon Rice? I know they weren't all with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's got some there with the Arizona Cardinals as well. But...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean him and Sue there for a while, they were considered, you know, the top two guys at that position. That is...


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[Assistant] No, I still think I'd go Simeon. Okay. I still think I would. Now, now to me where I like where our four we got right now in Sap, Brooks, Barber, Simeon.


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[Assistant] That's where I tend to, to lean in that conversation. What do you mean? Like, for that fifth one. Yes. Who is it? Who is it out of those five? McCoy, Evans, All-Stars.


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[Assistant] Levante David. Out of those four right there, who would you pick to be that fifth guy?


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[Assistant] You know, he's been one of the best receivers in football. His stats are way better than people realize. Yes. And he was the number one target for a Super Bowl winning team when Tom Brady came there. He's got over 10,000 yards. He's in. I think Mike Evans is in. I think so. We're talking about the generation of like the receiver and like he's, they got one.


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[Assistant] So I, you know, I, this one was a tough for me and maybe I'm not the best to do the bucks cause I have too many personal ties here, right? Cause I look at Mike Alstott and I'm like, Oh man, we're not going to put Mike Alstott in. I know that is one where he was a three


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[Assistant] Yeah, John Lynch created, but I think his best years were before the 2000s, right? There's a reason that


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[Assistant] When I was in Tampa there at the end that they were, they didn't want to resign him and he ended up going to the Denver. So yeah, again, I mean, he, we know he's awesome, but I think as far as the two thousands concern, that wasn't exactly, you know, his prime or at that point exactly. Yeah. I think we got that right.


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[Assistant] Okay, let me dial that back. Let's go Kaleus and Fitzgerald, no doubt about it. Patrick Peterson, no doubt about it. Yes. Right. Those three right off the bat. And in fact, I'm going to throw Adrian Wilson in there too.


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[Assistant] I think Adrian Wilson is probably is worthy of that. Adrian, I mean, Adrian Wilson is ahead of his time. You know, the guy that you're looking at right now, they're going like, is he a linebacker or safety or do you know all that? The guy that can play in the box and, and be all that, that was Adrian Wilson. He was before his time that way.


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[Assistant] So, that's where, you know, again, I know maybe some, some of the, you know,


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[Assistant] Not everyday fans might not know exactly who he is, but that's when you gotta trust me and I go, he is really, really awesome football player. Yea, five time Pro Bowler.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so. I think he's worth it. He's, you know, and he's two of the, I think football people would appreciate him more, right? He's one of those, like when we played Arizona, you were like,


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[Assistant] Oh, we got a game plan for Adrian Wilson. Like, when he's here, this blitz comes. When he's there, they play this coverage.


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[Assistant] When he's here, it unlocks like four blitzes. So you gotta, we don't know which one's coming. And that's where he was a special player. So now it's the fifth one that we're worried about.


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[Assistant] And that to me where it goes into Anquan Bolden or Darnell Docket. Okay. Right? I think it's those two. That's who I would look at it. Chandler Jones, not in the discussion. Not, not, you know, great little run. I don't think it was long enough or substantial enough.


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[Assistant] Damn, but it is 71 and a half sacks. Wow, that's pretty impressive. That is. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I just, Jones is tough, just Chandler Jones, cause I mean it was the four or five years before that with the Patriots too, right? Huh.


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[Assistant] I, I, I tend to want to go, what do you, what do you feel with Docket or Anquan Bolden?


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[Assistant] I feel like, this is where I have a hard, I think of Darnell Docket so much more of a fabric of Arizona Cardinal football team than I do Chandler Jones. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] So that's where, like, the numbers aren't gonna back it up compared to Chandler Jones. Chandler's gonna look much more impressive. So I think...


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[Assistant] I forgot, I forgot about that. There's a few years there that I forget about Chandler Jones and how dominant he was. Alright, I like that. We got six. We got six for the Cardinals. You're wearing red pants, so that makes sense.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's Robert Quinn's in there. Robert Quinn. Right? Chris Long. Jaylen Ramsey. Jaylen Ramsey. Damn.


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[Assistant] What do you think there, big guy? So Marshall Falk I think is in. 100%. We gotta put Marshall Falk in, we gotta put Orlando Pace in, and we gotta put Aaron Donald in, right? Yes.


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[Assistant] He has to, and like again, it's unfortunate that he never got to be on really good teams, but he was...


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[Assistant] Wait, that's Steven Jackson? I'm in the NFL and I can't believe that's Steven Jackson, right? It's that, right? I can remember being at the Nike...


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[Assistant] Giveaway store at the Super Bowl in 2006, Colts Bear Super Bowl, right? Nike always has like, you know, I was sponsored by Nike, so. Yes. They'd always be like, hey, come buy our suite, and you were like, always like, yes, because you know you're gonna get free shit, right?


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[Assistant] And, you know, when I came in, yea, I had somebody bring me around real quick. Oh, you like this? I like this. Steven Jackson was the man. He had like a team of Nike people around him, right? They were like gonna do a commercial with him. He was, but I remember, I had never seen him in person, right?


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[Assistant] And I just saw this guy sitting on the chair and I could just see a back and white t-shirt. And I was like, who the f-


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[Assistant] And like, the neck of like, you would think like a detackler somebody, but you could tell the back and the shoulders were ripped and it wasn't a detackle. And then I kinda got on the edge of it and I was like, oh my gosh, that's Steven Jackson. I can't get, I did not know he was that thick and that big. And then he stood up and I was like, holy shit! Do people have to tackle him? That's not fair.


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[Assistant] I really look at it and go, that was a four year run. I think the real conversation here now is the receivers.


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[Assistant] So now then you get a Torrey Holt and Cooper Cup. Torrey Holt did all his dirty work pretty much in the 2000s, right? Except for 99, which is the year they won the Super Bowl. And then Cooper Cup...


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's, what are we at? We're going into year seven? So gosh, it's only two years behind Torrey Holt, but it is a Super Bowl MVP to add on to that too. That's, and an offensive player of the year. So that's like,


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[Assistant] There's some double whammy stuff right there. What do you think?


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[Assistant] You know, so Vernon Davis, that's what, 10 years there. Kittle, we're going into year seven.


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[Assistant] Man, Kittle is, Kittle is a better player than Vernon Davis for sure. I know he hasn't done it as long, but I mean, Kittle, like we've had since we've been working together, we, we, we've gone what, four years in a row of going with Kelsey or Kittle or Kittle or Kelsey, right? So I think Kittle is over Vernon Davis, but,


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[Assistant] No, that's the other, that's the part about this that's a little, right? So we can cross off Vernon Davis. We can cross off Terrell Owens. Justin Smith.


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[Assistant] Who's a phenomenal football player, right? Gosh, I mean, you think about them. Alden Smith back in the day there when they were going to the Super Bowl with Jim Harbaugh and company. Alright, so right now we're Navarro Ballman, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Frank Gore, and we're down to one other one. Yea. You know, Brian Young, yes, is in the Hall of Fame.


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[Assistant] He did do his best work in the 90s.


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[Assistant] Is there anybody, I mean, is Nick Bosa, are we gonna count him quite yet? No, right? Not yet. I don't think, not yet. Justin Smith.


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[Assistant] But, alright, this is where I think, I think to your point, like, Justin Smith is not gonna beat out Patrick Willis or Navarro Bowman. Right.


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[Assistant] So that's where I think we go. Patrick Willis, Navarro Bauman, Joe Staley, Frank Gore, and George Kittle.


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[Assistant] He is one of those guys that's considered to be the best run blocking tight ends in football. So that's where I lean to him there. And I think too, even though Vernon's success is real, right?


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[Assistant] A lot more is framed around Kittle. Kittle's really like, Vernon, even though he was good, it was a little bit like, hey, when it comes your way, you get the ball, great. Whereas like, Kittle's so good, they're like, no, no, no, we gotta, we gotta, let's draw some more plays and more offense around him and do everything around him. I guess I lean on that a little bit. Alright, one more name.


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[Assistant] Like, like, like, he's Lance Briggs of the 40, you know, the Bears, this is the 49ers version. Oddly enough, he wore 55, oddly enough. But, same type of thing.


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[Assistant] You know, I worked when I was working for New England then, or whatever. He was the guy that nobody talked about, but when you turned on the film and had a breakdown, you were going, who is this guy? He is a player, this Brooks. Holy cow. Just a, you know,


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[Assistant] No, I like his name, Ahmad. It's a good sounding name. We know you do. Yeah, I think so. You know, again, the leading the Sachs thing is, it's, it's, you know, it's a little bit number of games. Alden Smith got in trouble. You know, Nick Bows is gonna pass that up this year, right? Yeah. Uh, so again, a really good player, but I don't think


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, the majority of his career was in the 2000s. Michael Bennett?


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[Assistant] When I started doing podcasts, that was the guy. Where I was just like, man, you know, I don't know, this guy right here, this guy there, oh my gosh, Michael Bennett. You know, people were like, he didn't have a tackle in the game, I want to go watch the game with me, and let's go see the effect he had. Right?


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[Assistant] I don't think there's any doubt that you, we have to put Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, and Bobby Wagner on the team. They have to be in. They have to be. Marshawn Lynch has to be.


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[Assistant] What was his, what was his acculades for that 2001 to 2005 run he had with the Hawks here?


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[Assistant] He was, but you know, whatever, you know, damn, you know, so was Sean. I mean, Sean, it wasn't like maybe, maybe not quite the personality.


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[Assistant] You know, Marshawn Lynch, but damn, I mean, when you played the Seattle Seahawks, you knew you were getting a heavy dose of, of Shawn Alexander and some good precision passing from Matt Hasselback.


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[Assistant] That could be, this could be the first time. I think it's fair to say...


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[Assistant] You know, I mean I don't think the running backs gonna win it no matter what in Seattle. I don't think so either. Right?


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[Assistant] Alright, I lean on you. I know I want Camp Chancellor Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, and Bobby Wagner and Walter Jones on it. For sure. Goes to me.


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[Assistant] Would be my five, and then if you want to add on Alexander and Marshawn Lynch, Pete's telling me he wants to do seven here.


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[Assistant] And then we'll hit on it. We'll get to the good ones on Wednesday. Let's try to take a moment, maybe at the start of the pod there.


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[Assistant] You know where to find us. Come find us. Get your votes in. Alright? We got the NFC. We're trying to make the best player of the century.


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[Assistant] All 16 teams in the NFC, all 16 in the AFC coming Wednesday. No quarterbacks. Well, let's solidify this. I think it's a good exercise. Try to figure out who the fans like, what they, how they view it as, and, uh, yeaah, you get a little bit of like a in town bias or, or, or, you know, a fan bias here that I like about it too. I'll be curious to hear


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's gonna be two or three where we're gonna go, damn, we might have messed up on that, I'm sure. But I think we did a pretty good job. We definitely didn't miss any winners. That's where I feel like. I don't think so. We got the top two or three.


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[Assistant] 3, 4, 5 can be a little debatable for sure, I get you. Alright everybody, you know where to find us. Ahman, thanks for driving the ship as always. You look so cute today in your red pants with your t-shirt and red trim. Thanks for saving that for the end of the podcast. No problem there slugger. Morgan, way to go. Thanks for staying quiet over there.


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[Assistant] Alright man, well it's good to have you back. Everything good in your life? What's going on? Great to be back. No, I mean, it's that time of year where things start to slowly get a little more quiet. So happy to be here. Uh, listen to the first quarterback countdown. I, I don't know how the audience generally feels. I like the beginning.


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[Assistant] Because it goes through all the players that have the most room to grow. Yes. The ceiling. Exactly right. Where I feel like the discussion is


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[Assistant] Here's what this guy can do to be in the top 20 next year, or here's what can go wrong where he might not be a factor of the league. I think this is the most interesting part. Now the top is always what generates the most discussion because people are screaming and yelling and want their guy to be the top guy, but I love this section because I think it has the most variance.


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[Assistant] There are, Sims, there are not a lot of guys, you are really only one of them that is diving deep into the, you know, whether, whoever it may be, I don't want to give away any names.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Quarterback is the, is the victim of hype. It's a big hype and stats and things like that. And it just takes, takes over. And I've known you long enough to know you've been doing this. I mean, since I started Bleacher Report in 2014 and you would sit in that little corner office and we had like no space to do any work there. No, that first office. Oh my god. And you would sit in that little corner office and basically watch every throw from every quarterback of the week. It would be like week three and you'd be diving into, it would be like Kaepernick's throws and everything like that. So it's kind of cool to see how much of this has grown now.


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[Assistant] It's been consistent now for a while. This is a couple years you've been doing this. That is one thing I always kept up with since you left Bleacher Report. Thanks buddy. It's uh, I also am an enjoyer of outrage. Yeah. And boy does this cause a lot of fun outrage.


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[Assistant] And I think some of the biggest battle during this part is sample size. Yes. Which we're gonna deal with a lot today. 100%. A lot of the guys we talk with, uh, talk about today are true. You have a certain amount of sample size that you can evaluate. Right. And you have to trust that. It's really all you can work with.


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[Assistant] The top 40 quarterback countdown continues. The tier we start with today is Buzzworthy Backups. That's right. And we are on number 35, a player that has gotten some hype at times, but also a victim of sample size.


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[Assistant] So let's look at it from a Dolphins angle, right? Cause this is, this is a big signing. I mean, not just the money. He got the two years, eight mil. I think there's another eight mil in incentives. About four and a half is guaranteed. So normal backup quarterback money, but he's backing up two. Yeah. Arguably.


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[Assistant] The quarterback we look at and go, man, when things are right, things are right, but things could really fall apart at any moment because of injury. Is this a better backup situation than what they had in Teddy Bridgewater last year? I think so. Obviously Skyler Thompson's still there, but White was signed to be the number


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[Assistant] Continuing buzzworthy backups, number 34, who, we are not positive this player will start the year as a backup. We truly don't know. It's a wait and see. Number 34 is.


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[Assistant] That's, that's very impressive. So a jump for Garner Minch. He was number 37 last year. He jumps up to number 34. You've called him a natural before Chris and I think that kind of goes to what you said about just having the feel.


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[Assistant] Uh, he's as fearless as they come. This guy just does not care. He's not fazed by needing to be called upon to start. No doubt. But is there a physical attribute that you see is a higher end attribute for him or is it just everything put together?


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[Assistant] What are the chances you think that he ultimately does start week one? I know we've talked about how Richardson needs to play, and we're gonna look at the cult schedule to try to outline that. But, you know, they bring him in from a system with the coach that he's gonna be comfortable in. He's somebody that, once again, he seems very well at handling whatever's asked of him. If you need him to start, he'll start. If you need him to be the number two,


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[Assistant] He puts a smile on and says I'll be the number two, but I'll compete like the number one.


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[Assistant] I mean, what are the odds with that? Do you think this is, to me Chris, this feels like a situation where nobody in the world knows. It's gonna depend on what Anthony Richardson looks like the first couple weeks in training camp, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, it's just not a murderous row out of the gate. Jacksonville's taking nice strides. The Texans. Ravens defense was very hot and cold as a whole last year.


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[Assistant] Gardner Mintchoo turned 27 years old this week. Happy belated birthday to Gardner Mintchoo. Definitely a good option to at least have in the bullpen if Richardson's gonna need a breather at some point this year. And an ideal team guy. Moving over to number 33. This is another one of those players that fits in the


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[Assistant] This is a player for the Atlanta Falcons in Taylor Heinecke at number 33 that, man, he might force his way to play because that's just what he does, right? Yea, well, it is. He's the ultimate scrapper. He really, I mean, this is somebody that's come from a spring league to make it into the NFL, which is...


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[Assistant] Or have been one foot in, one foot out with Desmond Ritter. They didn't draft him early, so that's fair. But they did wait a long time to go to him last year. And then...


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[Assistant] They did make one of the most proactive moves in the backup quarterback market this offseason where they're saying, Ritter's gonna have his chance.


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[Assistant] The Falcons have operated with urgency this offseason. We've talked about this. I'm one of the teams that won the offseason to me. They spent money on defense, good money on defense, and they got Kaleus Campbell to go there. I know. That should tell you where they think they are. I know. The division stinks. Right. Right now. Right. They drafted Bijon Robinson in the top ten. Right. That's amazing. The old line is damn good. I mean. If they start out slow with Ritter,


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[Assistant] It feels like the hook comes for, and they bring in Heineken really quickly, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] Uh, film and eye test versus what the analytics say. PFF, he only had six interceptions in nine games last year, but PFF did have him with the highest


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[Assistant] A guy like Drake London, and if they use Kyle Pitts the right way, they can also get you out of some of those bad throw situations.


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[Assistant] Alright, our last one. Number 32 is the last quarterback in the buzz-worthy backups tier. This one might actually think might surprise people. I think so too.


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[Assistant] And you could argue that he got week 17 against the Niners, which is a great game, and week 18 against the Chiefs. You could argue that two game stretch got him this two year ten million dollar contract. Because if he never plays, he's not looking at a better contract than what Mike White got.


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[Assistant] And I think, I mean the way Sean Payton has talked publicly about some of the things that went on with Russ last year.


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[Assistant] It is shocking. The patience level seems that it's at a very low bar right now. I mean, is there a chance that we could see Jared Stidham this year?


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[Assistant] It'll be fascinating to watch Denver who, with Sean Payton, I mean...


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[Assistant] Not gonna say there's gonna be an overwhelming amount of urgency to win year one, but I also think he's made a lot of moves for that offense in the offseason that he's gonna want to do things his way. It's his way.


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[Assistant] Alright, our final quarterback for today. Oh, first solo player tier.


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[Assistant] This player. He deserves his own tier. He deserves his own tier. Boy does he need one. The tier is, what is love? Baby don't hurt me. That's right. Pretty obvious who number 31 is. That is Jordan Love.


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[Assistant] Chris, maybe from my outside view looking in on your process, I would think this is the hardest player to rank.


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[Assistant] And it probably allows LaFleur to maybe implement even more of what he wants to, to a younger quarterback that's going to defer to him, right? Do his thing, right. I mean, yes, exactly right. And Roger's justifiably earned the ability to do what he wants, but it does let an offensive coach kind of go, okay, this is what I really always want to be. This is how I want to play.


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[Assistant] Built for Jordan Love to build some momentum in that first quarter of the season. I do. I really do.


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[Assistant] In the NFL. With you saying that, you might be surprised by the bet MGM odds for the Packers this year. And I want to ask what your favorite bet is, because this is pretty shocking. They have their over-under win total set at just 7.5.


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[Assistant] They, to make the playoffs at plus 165. So kind of a big underdog there to make the playoffs. And then to win the NFC North is plus 400. They're not even being


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[Assistant] It's pretty disrespectful to Matt LaFleur, that number. It's basically saying that like none of what you've done has mattered, it's only happened because of Aaron Rodgers.


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[Assistant] Our little Ask Me Anything right now here, Sims, as we recap the countdown so far, as you guys started the show earlier in the week with Ahmed. Number 40 was Desmond Ritter. 39 is Sam Howell.


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[Assistant] 36 Anthony Richardson, and then where we started today, the buzzworthy backups tier. Mike White, Gardner Minshew, Taylor Heinecke, round out 35 down to 33, and Jarrett Stidham as well in there at 32, and then a man in his own tier. What is love?