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[Assistant] Those are a lot of the times that games you look at and they go, oh, they lost. They lost that game. Shocker. Oh, because the play action passes weren't there, things like that.


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[Assistant] I think that's gonna, you know, depend on his play and how the team looks. Uh, I mean, if you had to pin me down for an early answer right now, I would say...


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[Assistant] Yes, he's going to be the guy there for the next two years. But I do think next year, at the very least,


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[Assistant] And that's gonna get people's attention and some juice going in the organization about him. So he's got one year, I think, of a free pass here.


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[Assistant] But, uh, as far as 2022 is concerned, I think it is going to be a little bit about how he plays and that'll determine that set up.


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[Assistant] That's right, Matty Ice, baby, Matt Ryan. I mean, again, enough, I mean, we're, we're talking...


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[Assistant] I mean, Matt Ryan's a freaking legend of the game. I don't know what to say. Again, it, it makes me, it doesn't make me feel proud to sit here and tell you that Matt Ryan, I think, is the, the 15th best quarterback in football right now.


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[Assistant] You know, again, another guy that I look at, you can, of course, you can win a Super Bowl. You can do special things. Matt Ryan is still capable of playing at a very high level. He is phenomenal.


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[Assistant] And throwing the football between 10 and 20 yards. He's an unbelievable between 10 and 20 yard thrower of the football. He really is.


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[Assistant] Again, with like, like a Kirk Cousins, his ability to process and just, you know, read it, diagnose it, you know, let me cock it back and throw it. It's as good as there is. I mean, it's phenomenal that way. Now he doesn't throw the ball down the field as well as Kirk Cousins.


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[Assistant] The other thing that he has a clear advantage over Kirk Cousins, in my opinion here, is the fact that Matt Ryan's movement, and anybody that's been listening to my cornerback rankings, it's, it's always, every year when I go back and look at your plays, look at plays, it always amazes me.


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[Assistant] For the last three especially, how much more he moves than I realize or want to give him credit for. That's the biggest thing about his game. There is some...


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[Assistant] You know, not always a scramble, but man, there's pressure and he's running up in the pocket and then he throws the 15 yard crosser or he moved in the pocket, made a little move and it's an ugly run, but it ended up into being a 15 yard completion down the field. He does get out of the pocket and make those plays.


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[Assistant] He's pretty good at throwing with pressure off his back foot and doing those type of things. He is. But, you know, the thing with Matt Ryan to me, I think, is...


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[Assistant] Just outside of my top 10, somewhere in 11, 12 range. So he's dropped a little bit. Yea, we've had some young guys who certainly have flourished and some other guys that were young in their career who improved a lot last year that jumped him to a degree. But I think the one thing that


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[Assistant] The competitive part of the football game. There wasn't enough of a when to wait. My team doesn't got it. We're down 10 nothing. I got to start making something happen. You can't wait till it's 24 nothing to start making happen.


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[Assistant] And there's too many, there's too many where I can go either way in that discussion, whether it's the Green Bay game where they got down real quick, real early, you know, there was some other games that jumped out to me too, where I just went, uh, like,


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[Assistant] You gotta do something, I think it was the Detroit game maybe, that's what I'm thinking of too. Where it's just like, come on, you're too good, they're paying you too much money for you to sit here and go, at some point you gotta go away, I gotta take over, I gotta do something. Let alone I have the same type of feeling with him closing out games too a little bit at times. Where it's like,


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[Assistant] There's a guy 20 yards downfield, and yeaah, it was a little bit of a tight window, but you gotta make the throw, you're Matt Ryan. And you took the 5 yard completion, you punted, and now they went down and scored, and you guys lost. There's too many of that too, whether it's Dallas, Chicago.


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[Assistant] It's a physical thing too. And there's a number of throws too where I can go back and watch and go, wait, this should have been a 70 yard walk in touchdown. It was a 45 yard great completion.


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[Assistant] The ball was under thrown and the guy had to stop or slow down and he got tackled and if it was somewhat just on target, he's gonna walk in for the touchdown. There's no question. He's right in that assessment.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think those stats speak to themselves a little bit. I mean, we haven't seen Ryan Tannehill yet, cause he's better than Matt Ryan. Okay, first off.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, he's gonna be asked to be more aggressive than this Arthur Smith offense. There's no doubt about that. You know, and, and, you know.


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[Assistant] Again, I think the other thing I would say to that there too is, what's more impressive


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[Assistant] Where I don't know if everybody will realize it really with, with those stats, at least from the Ryan Tannehill standpoint, that I find impressive, is like,


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[Assistant] The uhm, hold on a second, I lost my place of what I was looking for. Okay, so, but the thing I think that's really impressive there too, is when you play the Tennessee Titans,


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[Assistant] You know that's how they're gonna attack. And he still was doing it at a really efficient high level in doing those type of stuff.


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[Assistant] Matt Ryan's is more of like intermediate, intermediate, short, intermediate, short, short.


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[Assistant] Oh wait, we're going to surprise you with a deep one. And like I said, he doesn't always maximize with some of those, you know, and there's yards left on the field that way. And I think it, I think it translates again to the win loss column a little bit with Atlanta. And I'm not saying like I'm blaming him for losing. Yeah, their team's got to get better. I know that, but there's still a number of games.


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[Assistant] Where I can look at and go, I think if you took some of the other quarterbacks in front of them, they would have made the two or three plays that would have got their team to win and instead


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[Assistant] Matt Ryan and the Falcons just lost a close one. Uh, and I guess that's where I was, you know, being a little, you know, nitpicky about him. You know, again.


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[Assistant] I think as we get into the top ten and those type of quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] There's no f***ing way any of those teams, if you put them on the Atlanta Falcons last year, lose to the Lions 23-22. After, you know, beating the Vikings the week before. Or the Panthers' loss that they had before the Vikings game. Some games where I just go, your team's too good and you have too much talent on offense. And I know you guys aren't playing perfect, but if you want to be a top 10 quarterback,


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[Assistant] Like, they would have won those games. And that's where, you know, I'd like to say he just misses out. There's just too much of that. Lackluster starts.


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[Assistant] You know, oh, they need two or three plays at the end and they're going to win and they can't do it. And to me, I don't want to always blame the quarterback, but the quarterback is that that's a real important time for him.


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[Assistant] They're fallers, and I guess there's, I know there's gonna be a feeling of, wait, maybe these guys are, there's gonna be a faction of people that think they're top 10-ish. Should be 10, should be 11 or 12, and I guess that's why I'm stating this. Again, there's still a lot of good here.


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[Assistant] Well, I, I mean, I think that's why there was conversations there about them picking a quarterback at number four. You know, yea, there's some, there's some definite retooling of that roster, but I still think my,


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[Assistant] My thing with them, and you heard me say it during the draft process was, I just don't believe you'd give away a top 16 quarterback in football for, you know, a Trey Lance or a project and we hope it works out, you know, two years down the road.


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[Assistant] I still look at Matt Ryan as going, no, he's definitely still got two or three years at the end of his prime here left of like real good football. Yeah, maybe not MVP superstar football that we saw six, five, six years ago, but still real good football. And you know, they got some weapons.


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[Assistant] And way above average in my opinion last year, that's Derek Carr of the Las Vegas Raiders. You know, we gotta start giving them a little bit of respect. The guy's playing the position at a really high level. And here I am, he's barely in front of, you know, cousins of Matt Ryan, but I'm gonna have a lot more positive talk because I feel like the talk is always negative around Derek Carr that I have to defend him this way.


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[Assistant] He is moving up. How could he not? I mean, he played, you know, he had games last year that he played perfectly. You know, he, he, he's efficient. He's accurate with the football. He really never loses control of the football. You know, my big complaint about him last year was like,


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[Assistant] Let's go. Let it rip a little. Like let it hang out. Throw the rifle down the middle of the field. Don't throw like, oh I just want to touch it in there and make sure I get the completion. No! Throw the rifle so Darren Waller can catch it running and run in for a touchdown. He did that.


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[Assistant] Is there still more of it I'd like to see? No freaking doubt. But he, that's why I like, I like him. He's got it in him to be a little bit more of a flamethrower than even what we saw last year. I still think there's more. But he understands the offense.


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[Assistant] He's, you know, very rarely puts them in a bad situation with how he executes that way. And then I thought some of his play was, was phenomenal last year. I really do. And I think you can look at a few points towards the end of the year where they faltered a little bit.


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[Assistant] But I didn't necessarily think it was his play as I did maybe in years before that where I went.


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[Assistant] Man, he's missing some throws. He's being a chicken. He needs to throw this in there. I thought really when they got to that late part of the year where they lost to the Colts, the Chargers struggled against the Jets. Gruden's offense had to bring more. People had kind of caught on to it. There needed to be another element or something different about it.


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[Assistant] Okay, well I like to include you too.


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[Assistant] Another, you know, runs good, not gonna say it's like great, but runs good, runs better than Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins, that's for sure. But instead of the running, what I think is what I really like,


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[Assistant] Okay, not running, but moves around well. Alright, and there's a difference to me in that. You know, yeaah, he can run bootlegs, he throws the ball well in the run.


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[Assistant] But a little bit of like, uhm, we talked about with the Kirk, cause there's so many, he drops back, he takes a five step drop, and then he, wait, he's got some pressure and he makes a guy move.


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[Assistant] And then he's running up into the pocket kind of like, I might run, but I'm keeping my eyes downfield. Oh bam, I got a guy for a 15 yard completion. He really moves well from that standpoint or there's pressure and he, he's got good quick feet.


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[Assistant] And he moves to his right, you know, two or three steps and he sets his feet back up again and he gets himself in a good throwing position and throws the ball. He never really loses control of the ball that way. And...


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[Assistant] Well, hey, darn you. Okay, get in here. You know what I'm freaking doing. It's this freaking play. Like, I saw a little bit of that from him. I saw him yell at Gruden last year. Made me proud. I was like, good, let him have it. Yell at him. He's yelled at you enough. So, I like that aspect of what I saw from Derek Carr. And, last thing. Compared to the other two guys we have,


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[Assistant] Derek Carr throws from a number of different platforms. He's a little bit more of a better wheeler and dealer than you realize when you watch a game with sidearm throws and, and changing the way he launches the ball from different points and all that, that I don't know if he necessarily gets credit for all the time. So I'd like that to be known too.


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[Assistant] What do you think about that? Split? I mean, I- It's a good question. I was almost going to bang up.


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[Assistant] His whole career's plus of us, right? He's got to, he got to the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be closer than, yeah, it is. I mean, he's definitely, that's one that's gonna be like, be right on the fence there. The big thing will be him, for him will be,


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[Assistant] I think that people are just gonna go, does he have enough marquee wins and big moments? And you know, the playoff wins and things like that. Cause he's got some underwhelming losses. That's the bad thing. Right. You know, he's lost two NFC championship games where I would think most people would go, their team was, they were at home.


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[Assistant] And lost, right? So he's got that. And of course the Super Bowl loss, which is always going to be something that, that kills him. All right. So wait, which one do you think though?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, to me it's just more a little bit about even just continuing to push the envelope on that aggressive frame of mind. And Sue, again, some of those receivers gotta come through and just be better too that way.


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[Assistant] But I think that's the only thing I look at from his game to go, that's it. But we saw, I mean, a number of games we can go through where I can go, that was a big time throw.


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[Assistant] Pretty, pretty high degree difficulty of throw too, not just like,


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[Assistant] You know, oh wait, he threw a nice four yard slant into a tight, tight window. I'm talking like go routes down the sideline.


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[Assistant] You know, perfectly thrown post routes, the Chiefs game, bunch of other games for touchdowns, the clutch throw with no time left to beat the Jets when they were going to lose perfect go route down the sideline. See that to me is where he got better is the, the power.


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[Assistant] The power throws. The explosive plays which dictate how you win a football game. And, you know, I mean Gruden's right, but also I just would like to remind everybody


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[Assistant] The reason he is a little disrespected is also because of the Raiders and Gruden and Mayok and everything too. You know, always talking about what we got, we want competition and we evaluate every position on the team.


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[Assistant] Buffalo and the other teams with top 10 quarterbacks and things like that are not saying those comments. So that's where you gotta be careful. And now you don't, he doesn't get the appreciation he quite deserves.


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[Assistant] You know, the perceived strong point of their team, the offensive line has kind of been blown up. So now you have those questions. Like if you're just going to ask me who I think is going to exceed their win totals, I think I'm still going to go with the Raiders.


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[Assistant] I just have a hard time in a 17 game year with the way Kara is playing and some of the weapons and Josh Jacobs. And I think the offensive line is going to be better than people are, are giving a credit for. I don't think the Raiders is that stupid and just let their team fall apart that way. I think they knew they had some guys that were coming up the ranks that are going to be good.


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[Assistant] So, I'm gonna play that there'll be the team that...


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[Assistant] Exceeds the win totals there. I still think the team out of those three that's set up to be the best for this year right now, I think is probably still Minnesota. I look at, you know, you get a healthy DeNeil Hunter back.


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[Assistant] Eric Kendricks was hurt last year for a period of games. You know, I think their offensive line will be better. There's less movement on their coaching staff. You know, so that to me...


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[Assistant] Totally different defenses scheme with Dean Pease as compared to what we saw with Raheem Morris. We'll see. And the Raiders, like you said, the big question is that defense, but I will say this, even though the talent


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[Assistant] Still not top notch. They're gonna be better with Gus Bradley, a defensive coordinator. I can just promise you that. I just, I will be shocked. He's too damn good of a defensive coach. Been around Gus in Tampa. What he did with the Chargers the last few years. They've been one of the better defenses in football.


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[Assistant] I think he'll bring something, you know, to the table for them in that department.


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[Assistant] Baker Mayfield, yeaah. What up, Baker Mayfield at number 13. I mean, Baker Mayfield is a guy, again, you know, if somebody told me, I think he's the number 9 or 10 quarterback in football, I'd go, okay, I mean, I get it, I'm not gonna fight against it. I mean, it was a huge year for Baker Mayfield. And really, I think the biggest thing I would just say is, it's an elite arm.


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[Assistant] He's an elite passer, an elite thrower, whatever you wanna talk about that way. But, like, I think the biggest thing that jumped out to me...


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[Assistant] Really, I think when I went back and watched, that was the thing I looked at. I mean, again, obviously he was more confident and knows the offense.


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[Assistant] Like, like Derek Carr, not necessarily the greatest runner, but a great mover. Can make people, oh, it's one guy free.


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[Assistant] I broke his ankles. Now I'm free and I can set up and make a throw. Oh, it's a bootleg. The guy on the edge didn't go for the fake. He's right there. Oh, I made a miss. Now I'm on the run and I made a throw and finished a bootleg. Oh, it's a bootleg.


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[Assistant] And there's a guy 25 yards down the field, screaming across the field, going a million miles per hour. He's opened by a quarter of an inch. I don't care. I'll rip it in there. Rips it in there.


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[Assistant] There's so many of those type of throws. In cuts where I go, woooo.


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[Assistant] You gonna throw that? Ooh, what a throw. Like perfect throw. There's too many of those throws where they were almost...


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[Assistant] Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Mahomesish, where you, you go, oh, is he really gonna throw that? Oh, good throw, oh, oh my gosh, that was lucky. Wait, it's the 27th time I've said that, it's not lucky, he's that good now. And that's where I think Baker Mayfield made the big jump, and...


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[Assistant] He brings an edge to your football team. You say what you want about Baker Mayfield, you like him or love him. The guys on that team love him and it shows on the football field and he brings an attitude to their football team. And I think that's why I'm excited and why he made the big jump.


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[Assistant] Two things I think that jump out from the big jump. Fix some mechanical issues, you know, and I remember, if you remember last year, remember we talked about just like


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[Assistant] People are open. You just, you stepped over here to throw the ball here or you reached back ultra aggressive to throw it 105 miles per hour when


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[Assistant] I mean, it's, it's, it's one of the stronger ones in football. Remember that Hail Mary throw against the Ravens? I mean, that was, he threw that out of the end zone, 70 plus yards. Right, so he can launch it. But here's where the Stefanski thing, I think is the messaging Stefanski brings in.


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[Assistant] He made, you know, a real system, he makes football simple, play action pass, I want you to look to this guy, to this guy, and then you're checked down and you gotta move and run or do something. And I think that rang true, and he gave, oh, hey, he came from Freddie Kitchens, who was obviously, you know, kind of learning on the fly, was in a position that was,


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[Assistant] He let it fly towards the end of the year and it was very impressive, uh, what Baker Mayfield did.


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[Assistant] That's where it's exciting. I mean, their roster on paper is phenomenal. So, you know, that's the first thing you look at. You know, the system's good. They're going to be able to run the ball.


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[Assistant] And they can get Odell and that connection working.


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[Assistant] That's where it's, it's exciting when you think about Cleveland and what they could possibly do because their offense is damn good and they were damn good without Odell.


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[Assistant] If they got Odell back to somewhat close to being 100% or what he was when we saw him with the Giants and things like that, then I would say...


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[Assistant] Hey, this team, they're in the Super Bowl window, whether Odell comes along or not. And I'm hoping he does, but I think like the things you said are very real and off the field.


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[Assistant] What, what Andrew Berry commented about? No doubt. We had less of those viral moments last year where he made stupid snarky comments to the reporters or got a little pissed off about a question and walked off, right? You know, I think he handled himself better. I think he did show maturity on and off the field. But like I said, the big thing was, again,


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[Assistant] You know, off schedule, things wouldn't work out perfect. Baker Mayfield's movement, his ability to throw balls into tight windows, and the degree of difficulty of those throws were as high as


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[Assistant] You know, anybody I saw in the sport this year. The offense doesn't lend itself to just wide open easy completions all the time. It doesn't. Hey, they run the ball, they run boots, they run play actions. You can kind of pin them on what they do, but they got talent and they know they got a quarterback.


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[Assistant] Who can absolutely rip it in bad weather, whatever it is, and that's where it's cool to see Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] He's got top 10 talent, and you know, I think the big thing like you said, you said,


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[Assistant] Is that run we saw at the end of the year in the playoffs. He was great against the Steelers. He was really great against the Chiefs and they could have won that game. That was really close. Uh, but the way he finished off that year was damn good. And I think it'll, it'll start off that way too.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's just, we're gonna be stuck with that narrative forever. It's just, no one's ever, like you're talking to us, no, no one's ever gonna get over it. It's like...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no doubt. Lil went up to the Bengals last year, remember? Lost to Joe Burrow in a game you thought they would win that way and do that. But yeaah, they'll be interesting. Alright, so like dad, you know, Mayfield at 13, Derek Carr 14, Matt Ryan 15, Kirk Cousins 16. Like, out of those four,


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[Assistant] Just pick whatever one, what one you want to talk about, which one excites you, which is the one that bothers you with the negative talk, whatever, just go ahead.


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[Assistant] Yep. He was reaching back, throwing the ball, feet were everywhere. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that to me is the thing, and sorry to cut you off, but like, I just, I just, I said a lot, when I broke him down, I said a lot of the things you just said, and I said the one thing that really


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[Assistant] Jumped off the screen. You already mentioned the high degree of difficulty of throws. You know, oh wait, there's a guy open 25 yards down the field by half an inch. Screw it. I'll throw it in there. Bullseye. Bam. That was great. And I said this phrase and like, just tell me, like,


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[Assistant] I said he's not a great runner, but he's a great mover and hopper.


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[Assistant] You know, like you said, it's a bootleg. Oh, the guy on the edge was free. He makes the guy miss and then sets up and throws a dime down the field or he's in the pocket and there is pressure and he shakes and moves and hops around and gets his feet back and then throws a rifle down the field. That's the thing that really jumped out to me about his game from last year.


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[Assistant] Oh my gosh, that is a really good question. It's nitpicky, you know.


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[Assistant] Burroughs, as much as I love, I mean, I love Baker's movement, right, and the hopping around and all that. Burroughs is a freaking magician with that stuff. Like, I mean, he's as slippery as a dude as I've ever seen in the pocket. He really is. So that's where he is fascinating. He's got


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[Assistant] Maybe a little bit better feel as a passer in my opinion as an all around passer, but I don't think he can make as many game changing throws as Baker Mayfield.


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[Assistant] Baker Mayfield can make explosive plays with the talent of his right arm. That's something with Joe Burrow that I still need to see a little bit more evidence to say he can do that. Damn. They both bring an edge to the team and leadership and things I like that way.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm gonna say I'm gonna give Joe Burrow the edge just by a slight hair, but I don't feel real comfortable by that. I think my father's gonna say the other way around. What are you- I don't know. What are you gonna say, dad?


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[Assistant] Pretty cool. It is cool. I mean, you can see it. I mean, he's Joe Cool. I mean, he's the man. You know, it's Joe Hiaio. That's right. I do love that about Joe Burrow. And listen to Dad's point.


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[Assistant] That's why it's tough, because Baker's arm is special, like God's saying.


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[Assistant] I thought he made a little adjustment to his throwing mechanics during the year last year to realize he's got to improve the deep ball power explosive throws so hopefully he can improve that to a degree.


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[Assistant] You know, hey, we saw some of these tweets here. If you're watching on YouTube or anything like that, you know, they said he's letting it rip more than last year. But to dad's point, he's letting it rip and they're telling you they were incomplete. He overthrew this guy. He overthrew that guy.


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[Assistant] You know, all of those type of things. And I think ultimately what dad said is really the point. If he was really blowing out of the water, you would hear signs of him really blowing it out of the water. He would.


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[Assistant] I'm with dad. I'm like, I'm not into stats and all of that either. Again, you know, he was 12 or 23, two or three balls could have got off a receiver's face and popped them in the air. You know, the receiver could have run a, ran a wrong route or things like that. But I have a hard time believing that when you're taking the first team reps. And I think dad would say first round, first round quarterback, first quarterback, you know, on the depth chart right now, even in mini camps or OTAs, like,


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[Assistant] The top 16, top 20 quarterbacks in football, if they get 23 throws in that, they're going 19 for 23. They're going 20 for 23. Rodgers and Mahomes and Allen are going to go 23 for 23. Or maybe go 21 for 23 with a drop and like somebody messed something up.


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[Assistant] I mean, so that's where it can be, uh, a little alarming. And yeah, you know, and listen, and he's also, let's not forget.


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[Assistant] He's following the act of the greatest thrower in the history of football. And no one's necessarily going to be blown away by what they see because the guy they've been seeing for the last 12 years is just zoom, zoom, laser beam, laser beam.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would think that's fair too. I mean, that's what we saw. Agreed. He's got a little bit of that, you know, flip the elbow up, Justin Fields-ish type of...


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[Assistant] Motion to throw the football. Now he doesn't have some of the lower body issues. I will say, I think there's enough naturalness to his throwing to fix him.


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[Assistant] I do think, like, I think that's- Oh, I do too. Yeaah, I think Dad is saying that, for sure. Natural thrower, I mean yeaah, I'm like Dad, I don't know.


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[Assistant] He throws a perfect spiral. Okay. He picks up a baseball. He throws it hard. The ball tails a little bit. You just go, he swings at a baseball pitch and you just go, damn, that looked like a silky smooth swing.


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[Assistant] Right, that, I mean, that's what quarterbacks have usually, is that.


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[Assistant] And the natural ones, yeaah, just like dad mentioned, whether it's Brady, Romo, Rogers, you can tinker and change and do those things.


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[Assistant] Josh Allen, I mean, he's talked about it. You know, what he's done, just a little few things to help him, but dad and I saw enough again with a guy like that to where, oh, the completion percentage and all those things, right? There was enough


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[Assistant] Of a natural element to where you went, man, I don't know. There's so many great throws. Yeah, maybe this wasn't a great decision. The best thing about Josh Allen watching film of him coming out in the draft.


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[Assistant] You saw the natural element to go, wait, this can be fixed here. We just gotta like manage him a little bit and just tell him a coaching point or two. I do think Jordan Love can do that. It's just a, it's, it's more of a deep fix with him and it's just about can he find that person to get him on the right path. Cool. That makes perfect sense.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, real achy ass today, yeaah. Alright, sorry, I couldn't hear you, it was a little low.


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[Assistant] Alright, you're the man, dad. See ya. See ya. I know, I wanna be like, well, you raised me like this.


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[Assistant] I heard it at the end, I heard it again, I did not hear it early on, uh, I, I mean, again, the snap count needs some work, alright?


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[Assistant] He seemed very, very relaxed. Very relaxed, having fun and the creativity was off the charts good. Tartan will never get another Tartan again. No, to go Tartan, right, which I'd never even heard of. Never. I was like, wait, I was like, is that a soccer team over there? That's what I was really thinking. Yeah. Uh, so that was cool that he had a little Scotland flavor to it. I did hear


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[Assistant] You know, his, his, uh, accent at the end. And then also, you know, personalize it a little bit.


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[Assistant] Creativity, again, amazing. Like damn, it's making me want to go over to London. What did she say at first when she was yelling?


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[Assistant] That's what I like. I mean, who cares about what they think of you? They thought you were crazy anyways, so you might as well just confirm it. You know, the hell I'll go to hell with you.


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[Assistant] First off, both were pretty good. Yeah. You know, I would say as far as Dennis concerned, his rhythm and timing was pretty good. You know, white 19.


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[Assistant] You know, but there was, there was too much of a pause between the second white 19 and the set hut.


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[Assistant] You're going to get an offensive lineman that's going to get ANSI and get a false start for sure. So again, you know, white 19. Hey, there's a crab on the loose, crab on the loose. Why 19 set hut, right? That's how it's got to go. Uh, Natalie, yours is pretty good too. Did she say set hut or go? That's where I wasn't sure either.


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[Assistant] And she fought through the crowd noise. I mean, did you see how she put the hands up to make sure the megaphone went out there to make sure. Hey, she wanted to make sure Tyreek Hill could hear, you know, white 19. She got it out there. I liked that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the snap count was better than our Chris Forbes. Both of them were. So I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give Dennis a...


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[Assistant] A lot was good, a lot of the timing and rhythm was really good. They both need to work on their set hut aspect of it there, both little different areas, but that can improve. But thanks Dennis and Natalie, like much appreciated.


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[Assistant] Alright, we'll see about that. I'll see. I was looking back at your list. I got some critiques for you, without a doubt.


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[Assistant] Alright, alright. Good podcast, everybody. Way to go. Yep. Matt Casey, manned it down for Pete Dimmolittle, the lightest today. Yep. Uh, you're the man, Ahmed. Thanks again. See you Monday. Everybody have a good weekend. We'll be back with the Chris Simms quarterback countdown. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] It seems to be good. Well, I mean, we can unpack these games a little bit, talk about a lot of different matchups, things like that. And I'm so excited for this weekend. To me, this is my favorite weekend of the year.


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[Assistant] And the whole year, just Saturday, Sunday, and it's set up this year to be perfect. We were just talking about this before we came on air. I mean, we got.


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[Assistant] What we really believe is the eight best teams and even though you love to see upsets and all those type of things, you know, I'm glad we didn't see anything crazy last weekend because now it lends itself to really four great matchups where


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[Assistant] Listen, I think you could make a case for any one of these teams, the underdogs to win a football game, whatever. Uh, but I'm pumped and I can't wait to sit my butt on the couch for a first time all year on Sunday and watch a game on the couch at my house. Can't wait.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I know. I mean, hey, it's the playoffs. I don't know. I mean, these damn teams are all there because they're good, and they can make magic happen when they need to, and who knows how the hell these games go. All I know...


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[Assistant] Is, you know, again, put up that graphic with my record, our records and everything. I don't know how to pick games. That's my problem. I need somebody to teach me.


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[Assistant] What I should be listening to in my own advice about breaking the games down and where to pick the games. I mean, I tell some people, I go, Hey, I'm over 500 on the year picking against the spread. And like my better friends are like, that's amazing. Every game you're above 500. But I go, yeah, but then the three games I gotta pick every week.


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[Assistant] To my best bets, I'm 10 games under 500. So I obviously have an issue there where I don't understand betting or how to pick it. Uhm, so as again, I'll just say, listen to my information. Don't listen to my best bets.


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[Assistant] Well, this is the star-studded event, right? I mean, you know, one of the best offenses in football, the number one scoring offense in football versus the best defense in football, the number one scoring defense in football and yards allowed. I mean, this is a heavyweight showdown.


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[Assistant] And to me really, it's, it's this matchup where I think, you know, it's going to dictate who wins the football game.


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[Assistant] The Rams are awesome at everything. They're a speed football team primarily, but even though for a speed team, you know, their speed and their guys that they have up front are


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[Assistant] Stronger than they should be for their actual size. Like right, Aaron Donald, 280 pound defensive tackle. We should be able to move him out of the way. No problem. No, he's got the strength of like a 370 pound man in that 280 pound body. And they got a lot of guys like that.


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[Assistant] But if there is one issue with the Rams or one way to attack them, and I think the teams you look at that beat them throughout the year, you know, they made them play a little bit of phone booth football. You know, and to me, that's where the game will come down to. If the Packers, Mike, I mean,


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[Assistant] To me, the, I don't think Aaron Rodgers, as great as he is in this passing game, I don't know how you feel about this, but I just feel like if it becomes a passing game against this Rams defense, with that front four, and Jalen Ramsey and his ability to match up with the Devontae Adams,


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[Assistant] I go, then the Packers are in trouble if it has to be like Aaron Rodgers has to throw the ball 40 or 45 times a game. Uh, at least that's the way I feel. How do you feel about that, that aspect of it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, they're going to hear that. That's, that's the gamble they took by what they did in the draft. There is, I mean, you're, and you're right about your whole match up there with Devontae and Jalen Ramsey. You know, that's going to be something to watch for. That's where I get into, you know, and that's where it plays right up the Rams alley.


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[Assistant] You know, one, if you start throwing the ball too much, yes, Jalen Ramsey can lock down Devontae Adams. You know, they can also just play straight up zone coverages. The Rams want to play pass defense.


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[Assistant] They don't, they wanna go, you're not gonna throw the ball onto us until, you know, and we're not gonna come up and play aggressive run defenses until you show us.


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[Assistant] You can run the ball on us. And that to me is where the game is going to be won or lost. You know, and, and, and,


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[Assistant] I would say like maybe November, late October, I didn't know if Green Bay can impose their will physically in the run game against really good defenses in football. I changed my tune towards the end of the year, but I think that balance is going to be key because the Rams, it's a really good defense.


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[Assistant] The Packers are the best, most balanced offense the Rams have had to play all year long. I don't think anybody, uh, has come up to that level, you know, as far as who they've had to play against, as far as balance is concerned.


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[Assistant] And if they can get into, we're running it the hell with you, we're gonna smash it down there and now you start to get the Rams having to play some single safety defenses and get away from that.


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[Assistant] That's when then Rodgers, even if there is a Jalen Ramsey on Devontae Adams, he might be able to hit Tanyan and Marquez Valdez Scantling against very good looks because the Rams are concerned with the run game. And to me, that'll be one of the big questions of the game altogether. Can that Packers offense run the ball on the Rams?


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[Assistant] Definitely. I think he could be one of those weapons that, you know, yeaah, we kind of overlook going into this one too. You know, just even the usage of him coming out of the backfield, you know, and trying to find mismatches in the pass game that way too, could be very key too. Especially if they start to run the ball a little. You know, again, that's where it goes into it.


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[Assistant] Oh, run the ball. Now the Rams are worried about that. Maybe in a base defense or a run-stopping defense. Oh, wait. Aaron Jones was behind Aaron Rodgers in the I-Formation. Now he's motioned out to receiver.


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[Assistant] And we've seen, they'll throw any route to Aaron Jones, slants, double moves, go routes, whatever. They don't care. He runs corner routes. He does it all.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I do, I'm with you. I expect him to be a big part of that game, you know, and then, uh, we'll see where that goes. But the other side of the ball, that's, that's another aspect we got. It's not as sexy.


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[Assistant] I do find that interesting too. You know, the Packers have a lot of.


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[Assistant] A lot of experience against the inside outside zone scheme because of they play the Vikings twice a year who love to do that. You know, they just played a team and the bears who have changed into an inside outside zone bootleg team, but the element the Rams bring always that stresses it more than the normal is that speed sweep action. And that's where it's going to be key. I do think the Packers.


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[Assistant] With their guys like the Smith brothers and, and Gary and Kenny Clark, and then they're phenomenal secondary. I think they are a team that can go, Hey, let's stop the run. We can trust our secondary versus pass game. It's kind of simple and they'll, they'll give that Rams offense. I think a very tough time as well.


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[Assistant] Agreed. In golf, I mean, we've seen he's had issues throwing the ball in the cold. You know, golf is not a pure thrower in the warm either, so he's certainly not going to be one in the cold. And that's the last thing I'll say about this game. That's going to be interesting to see who they start at quarterback. McVeigh has not committed yet.


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[Assistant] That just tells you that they like John Wolford, and they understand there's things he can do for that offense that maybe fit their team better than Jared Goff.


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[Assistant] Either way, pick time, and I'm going Packers.


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[Assistant] 23 to 20. I think this is going to be a close football game. I think that defense is going to be, make the game ugly. And I think the Rams, even though I don't expect a lot of yards in the offensive side of the ball, as always, they'll nickel and dime themselves, control the clock. And I think this is going to be


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[Assistant] You know, do the Ravens have a run game to worry about? That's like the first question. Is there, you know, do you think they're going to really worry about the run game of the bills going into this football game?


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[Assistant] Josh Allen. That's what they have to worry about. That's about it. You're exactly right. You know? Giddy up, giddy up, Josh Allen. Giddy up, giddy up, it's my boy Blue. And that's what I mean to me.


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[Assistant] It's gonna have to be more of that, alright? It's what it's gonna have to be.


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[Assistant] I don't, you heard me say going into the playoffs, this is a team that is scary to me as far as matchups are concerned for Buffalo.


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[Assistant] Because they could just put Brandon Williams, Kaleus Campbell and Matt Judon on the defensive line and play the middle three on the middle three over the guard center and, and guard.


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[Assistant] And then just go, eh, we think we can stop Singletary in the run game with those three guys, and we can drop eight into coverage, and then, you know, next time we might have nine guys at the line of scrimmage, and oh, they all dropped into coverage, and then it's nine guys at the line of scrimmage, and oh, they all blitzed, and we can play man to man with Marcus Peters and Marlon Humphrey behind. To me, that's what's scary for Buffalo.


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[Assistant] There's just not enough of a threat of a run game to ever make Baltimore


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[Assistant] I don't know. Have the Ravens learned anything? You know, that's another question I'll ask you.


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[Assistant] You know, the Ravens typically have struggled against offenses like this, aka the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes. Well, listen, this is the closest thing to that right now in the game. Allen is like Mahomes. I mean, and the way they throw the ball. So, you know, that's where I go, you know, to you,


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[Assistant] What do you do if you're Baltimore? How do you approach the game? You know, how do you approach it? Are you playing coverage all game? Are you going to blitz and try to pressure them? You know, what do you do because you've been burnt when you try to play over aggressive against Patrick Mahomes and that could happen to you this week too.


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[Assistant] And you know, and that's where I also look at like, you know, Baltimore is a team too that


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[Assistant] You know, they don't open up the, they're not like a great pass rushing team. You know, they're a little bit of like, we just maul you and push the pocket. Right. And I think that could be tough on Josh Allen too. He's best when there's some lanes to kind of move around and then he can dip out and get to the side or attack the line of scrimmage and run and do those things.


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[Assistant] This will be a Yannick and Gokwe game. This is the kind of guy that they got the ball to. This is why they traded for him.


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[Assistant] You know, it's the Josh Allen, the Patrick Mahomes game where, okay, yeah, we're the big bad Baltimore Ravens, but


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[Assistant] We've never had a guy that could chase these guys down, these passing mobile quarterbacks and they've burnt us in by time and we always lose to them. This is why they got Yannick and Gokwe. We'll see. And I think you pose a really good question about the corner thing. You know, what do they do? How do they match up? You know, I, I,


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[Assistant] I think you brought up an interesting part there to where I would go, I wouldn't be scared every now and then.


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[Assistant] To go, hey, third corner, maybe Jimmy Smith, you take Stefan Diggs. We'll put a safety over the top of you.


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[Assistant] And now we might let Humphreys and Marcus Peters match up one on one with John Brown and Cole Beasley.


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[Assistant] And now, you know, you can do a lot of different stuff with some of the other guys, whether that's a quarterback spy and maybe an extra guy and a blitzer have somebody dropping in the middle of the field. So it's very interesting. But I think overall, what we're both saying is we think advantage Raven's defense, right?


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[Assistant] The approach of the Ravens defense to me is going to be really one of the big factors of the game. If they're going to get up in the Bills faces and play man to man and crowd the line of scrimmage, then I think they're going to lose the game. That's what I say. But if they're going to play pass, pass,


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[Assistant] You gotta prove to us you can run the ball with Devon Singletary in that run game. Then I would go, that favors the Ravens, but typically the Ravens have been that pressure, leave your guy on an island type of team and that's burned them against these types of quarterbacks. So we'll see where this goes.


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[Assistant] Bills, you gotta worry about them getting steamrolled like last week, right? I mean, the, the, the Colts were down by two scores and didn't even think about changing their approach. In fact, they went, whoa, we're down by two scores. Let's just run the ball. We'll gash them in the run game. The Bills.


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[Assistant] Struggle against teams that are balanced on offense, like the Colts were last week.


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[Assistant] You know, the Ravens are not necessarily balanced. The Ravens went up the Buffalo Lamar Jackson's rookie year.


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[Assistant] And the Bills had a good approach to stop the Lamar Jackson run game and everything like that. They really did. But of course, within doing that, they had to take chances that you would just go, Whoa, were they taking a chance in the backend with coverage? And it at one point led to Mark Andrews down the middle with like no safety in the field and easy touchdown, you know,


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[Assistant] That to me, like, I think the, the Bills can slow down the Ravens run game maybe better than they did the Colts run game.


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[Assistant] Just because I don't know if they're going to worry about the pass game as much as you had to worry about the Colts and Phillip Rivers and some of those passing weapons. So I go back again to what we saw last week.


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[Assistant] If the Ravens can just make you defend Hollywood Brown and the outside passing game just a little bit, cause I think the Bills are gonna have to sell out to stop that running game.


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[Assistant] Then I go, man, advantage Ravens. But that's the question, Mike. I mean, do you think Lamar and Hollywood Brown and that passing game can do enough to where the Bills can't just go all in on playing run defense?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm with you. Uh, I hear you all the way and, you know, my answer to like your question you just said, are we gonna go all in to stop that three-headed monster? What's the, what's the repercussions off of that?


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[Assistant] I think it's, it's, I have faith in Lamar and his ability to throw. I do. I'm not expecting 300 yards, but you know, like we both said all year long, if you're open, Lamar's going to hit you.


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[Assistant] It's not like he's like, you know, he's a good thrower of the football. Is he a great? No, but he's a really good thrower of the football and he, and he's pretty smart with where he places the football.


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[Assistant] So, I, I expect to see more of that Hollywood Brown, and I think it's...


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[Assistant] It's a tough matchup. Again, I think right now we're going, we talked about the Ravens as a complete football team. We talked about the Bills really as Josh Allen and a bunch of other good players. And that's where I'm going with the Ravens. And this one, a team that seems to be on a mission. They're hot. They believe themselves.


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[Assistant] Against the Bills who are just getting into playoff world, and yeaah, they got a win last week, but you can't feel ultra confident about the way you played. I'm going Ravens 27-24, Mike.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I don't feel confident about that. I mean, I would think they're gonna be right around that range, anywhere from 27 to 38 or whatever. That's where the Chiefs live. And I certainly, the Brown's defense is, you know,


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[Assistant] Not, not the steel curtain or the Baltimore Ravens of 2000s to where I think they're like some great unit that can slow this group down. I wish they had Olivier Vernon and another pass rusher. You know, we saw towards the end of the year that chief's offense had a hard time pass protecting. I've never seen my homes under pressure like that in his short career at this point.


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[Assistant] You know, so Miles Garrett and company, yeaah, I think they can have their moments in this game. You know, here's another angle just to think about a little bit. You know, yeaah, I think the Browns are in trouble, you know, man to man, anything like that in the back end.


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[Assistant] No doubt. Now it does help. We got Denzel Ward and Kevin Johnson back this week. That's gonna be huge for their, their football team. They haven't been there the last two games. Denzel Ward's really damn good. He's a guy you can put on Tyree Kill a few times during the game and go, I'll take my chances. You know, you don't love to do it. You don't want to be consistent with it, but you'll take your chances a few times. Here's another thing too, Mike.


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[Assistant] Joe Woods, the coordinator of the Browns. You know, how did he spend his last two weeks of the year or last year for the, working for the San Francisco 49ers, getting ready for the Kansas city chiefs.


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[Assistant] He'll have a good feel for this offense and things that they did or liked to do or talked about leading up to that game to at least maybe schematically slow them down. But can they actually do it? I don't know. That's a big, that's a big if.


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[Assistant] I hear you. And you know, when you look at Cleveland's schedule, right from the year, I mean, these are things I like to look at as I break down these games and think about who I'm going to pick.


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[Assistant] They really never played an offense like this all year. And I know people are gonna go, well, well, there's no offenses like, I mean, offenses that were passed first.


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[Assistant] Big time arm aggressive throwers down the field. You know, they never had a deal with Justin Herbert or Josh Allen or Mahomes or Tom Brady in that offense. They never really had anything like that come into town all year long, except for the Houston Texans.


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[Assistant] On that day, the weather was so bad, nobody could throw the ball. So they never really had to defend the Texans pass game. And that's where I don't like it either. You know, when you have to play a team like Kansas City and you've never played anything like them all year and have no reference of them specifically either,


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[Assistant] You know, you haven't played them in the last few years. I think that could be a little scary and maybe shock them a little bit by a little, whoa, these guys are faster. Whoa. Mahomes is more elusive than I thought. And it looked like on screen that first time you see Kansas city in person, you know, it can be scary, but I'll say one last time too, before we slip over to the other side of the ball. You know, we, you and I have talked over the years a lot.


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[Assistant] The Chiefs, for whatever reason, have had issues with this defensive scheme. You know, whether it's...


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[Assistant] The Colts losing it home to them last year, the 49ers in the Superbowl. We saw the Chargers slow them down earlier this year with that scheme. You know, so that's where I, I give Browns a little hope, but I don't know if they truly have the Jimmy's and the Joe's to come through and match up with, with Kansas City's offensive weapons.


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[Assistant] Well, Chris Jones is a different animal. I mean, to me, and you know, we've talked about this a lot too. Other than Aaron Donald, Chris Jones is the most disruptive, dominant interior defense alignment in football.


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[Assistant] He's a force. Uhm, what do you do, like if you're the Browns, Mike? Your offense is kinda hot. You're moving the ball just about...


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[Assistant] At will against teams when you've been healthy, other than that jets game, right? Where they had all the receivers out and all that. You've been really able to move the ball against anybody and be effective.


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[Assistant] Do you continue to attack against what is an NFL average defense? Or would you play the, we're going to run the ball and try to run out the clock and do that thing a little bit. What do you think is the best approach? I'm torn when I think about that.


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[Assistant] I just don't know if they can do it. I don't know.


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[Assistant] That would be the big question to me. We have said this so many times, when the Chiefs want to stop something on defense, they can stop it.


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter who it is. Derrick Henry, the 49ers last year in the Super Bowl, when they want to do that, they can do it. You know? So, I'm gonna play, and I'm gonna make my pick here. I'm gonna pick Chiefs, 34-27.


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[Assistant] I-I-I-I am, because I just think ultimately, I do think this could end up being a little bit of a...


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[Assistant] Even though the Browns might try to run the clock out, I wouldn't be shocked if they're like, well, damn chub ran off left tackle for 50 yards. And then we ran the bootleg the next play and the guy was wide open, you know, over the middle of the field and we scored. We meant to run out the clock, but we scored. I don't know.


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[Assistant] You know, they are that kind of offensive line to where the Chiefs are gonna have to bring people up there to stop the run game. But I still go with the Chiefs. Uh, I just, I gotta see them lose before I pick against them and I think they'll be able to slow down that Browns running game. 34-27 Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Right, uh, well I got, you said it. Like, you know, it's a different Bucs team.


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[Assistant] Uh, they were still, I mean, we came in doing our PFT show the next day after that game still going.


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[Assistant] Wait, what are the Bucks doing? Why are they still in the shotgun and trying to spread it out and run the Brady Edelman Wes Welker Patriots offense? Remember? That's what we were saying. It was really right after that where I feel like it started to change. When they finally were like, hey Tom, we don't have all these Wes Welker Edelman plays. I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] So instead, we're just going to protect you and you're going to have to adjust to what we do best. Like, and you're going to have to start throwing the ball down the field. And that's where they've changed and become such a dangerous offense.


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[Assistant] You know? So that's, I mean, that's the battle of the heavyweights. This Bucks offense, that's as good as anybody with explosive plays are throwing the ball. As good as Buffalo, Mahomes, and Kansas City against the Saints defense, that's...


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[Assistant] You know, you make me pick one defense in football right now. I'm, I'm going to pick the Saints. I get, oh no, I'm going to pick the Rams. I'm going to pick the Saints twice. Second, that's to me where it is all about. And here's the question for me, Mike.


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[Assistant] I don't know, do you think, do you think the Saints can pressure Brady in this football game? Do you think their front four can get there against the way Tampa's protecting right now against Brady? What's your thought there?


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[Assistant] I, yeah, I, I would, I'm with you there too. And you know, they, they've just made a concerted effort to always do it. You know, they bring in extra offensive tackles to play the tight end position and they have six offensive linemen pass protecting. So he feels like he's.


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[Assistant] You know, he's feels like he's in a fortress at times. So that is going to be key. And then because of that, like I'm with you, I think they're going to be able to protect them with just a four man rush. So now the saints, okay, you're going to blitz and do some things and be creative. All right. I don't know. We'll see.


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[Assistant] The way Brady's throwing the ball and those weapons are catching it, that's going to be scary. So I think that's going to be very interesting. And to me, I think we hit it. That's the theme of the game.


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[Assistant] Can they get pressure on Brady? Are they gonna have to compromise everything to Blitz and then leave Lattimore and those guys one on one in the back end? If they have to do that too much, they're playing with fire and they could certainly get upset.


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[Assistant] I don't think they can. I don't. You know, like we talked about the last few weeks, when you can block the Bucks blitzes, you can gash them in the pass game.


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[Assistant] The first, that 38-3 victory, this is where I worry about the Bucs, the 38-3 victory, Mike, you know, going back and watching that a little bit, the Bucs tried to play coverage and be conservative early.


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[Assistant] But Breeze and them just picked them apart and then it became, okay, we're going to blitz and try to get in your face. And they had a little success, but then once the saints kind of figured out, okay, they're changing their approach, you know, they blocked it up and still pick them apart. So that's where I don't know. The bucks defense is the big question mark to me in this football game.


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[Assistant] You know, it really is. And the Saints offense, it's real good. I don't think it's great.


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[Assistant] Breeze's ability to make plays and do things like that is still certainly a question mark, but I think they've been trying to be more aggressive throwing the ball down the field to a degree with Drew Breeze. Uhm, but I don't know, Mike, how do you feel about that? Do you think the Bucs can match up with them and slow down the Saints offense?


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[Assistant] These type of games can certainly lend itself to that, you know, especially when you're playing a team for the third time and you know every trick they got and every little thing they like to do as far as attacking to where


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[Assistant] Yeah, you as a coach can't schematically ever create or coach something up to just get somebody wide open or gash somebody. I wouldn't be surprised this game. I wouldn't be shocked if it was 38, 34, or like you said, 20 to 17, 17, 14, something like that. But in the end, I think.


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[Assistant] I'm going to go with the team that I've seen win twice and the team that, you know, even though I question a little bit, some of the things with the Saints, I guess my biggest question about this game in general is the Bucks defense. I don't trust that. So I'm going Saints 28-24.


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[Assistant] If there's karma in the universe, it should go the other way around. It's just, you know, 20 year anniversary.


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[Assistant] You don't even know if that guy would be the guy he is today, if that wasn't called there. And that's where I just go, man, and the way the Saints have lost, like if it happens that way, I hope it's the Bucks that have the end of the game disaster and the Saints win the football game, just for pure karma purposes.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I'm, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with Aaron Jones here. I am, I think the Rams are gonna be so worried about Rodgers in the pass game, it's gonna lead to a few more pass, uh, running lanes for Aaron Jones.


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[Assistant] You know, we talked about it, the Bills really defended their Lamar run game well last year. That's where I wanna go. I'm gonna...


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[Assistant] I'm going to go like barely under cause I think, okay, he might not run, but JK Dobbins and I think his right arm will make some big plays in this game too. I'm going to go barely under.


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[Assistant] I am. Because I just think the ravens will take more chances by putting them on an island and like, and just, and go, okay, the ravens can't help themselves.


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[Assistant] And I just think Josh Allen, their ability to make plays, even when you cover them in scramble and like off schedule plays, I'm going to go, I'm going to go with that where man, Devontae's got to deal with Jalen Ramsey and them. I'm going to go with Diggs.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go hill, I mean this is a hard one, they're both awesome, I know that, but like, the Brown's defense more times than not lends itself to almost like man to man on the outside. Excuse me as I choke on myself.


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[Assistant] I would be disappointed if Kansas City doesn't just play a little bit like, our guy's better than your guy on the outside, we're gonna play one on one. They should do that. I'm gonna go with Tyree Kill here.


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[Assistant] Michael Thomas, I think he's just going to slowly shred them apart in the middle of the football field. Might not be big plays, but just consistent eight and nine and 10 yarders.


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[Assistant] I don't think the Rams lose by more than 6.5 points to the Green Bay Packers. That's going to be my first pick.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm taking the Packers. There you go. Next best bet. I'm gonna go with the Browns. I don't think the Chiefs are gonna beat them by more than 10 points. I think the Browns are hot right now. I think they're gonna be in playoff mode and the Chiefs are gonna take a few minutes to get their feet underneath them.


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[Assistant] The Chiefs beat the Browns, even though I got the Browns to cover it, I mean yeaah, it's the one where I just don't see the Chiefs losing the football game.


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[Assistant] Oh give him Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Watch the bombs. Or maybe I need to change that song.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's right, I'm embarrassed, and that doesn't happen easily, let me just tell you. But that was one of the worst openings ever, I gotta say. I don't know, I hate hearing myself say it. But! Hate it.


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[Assistant] Feel like there's a little need there. I don't know if Diyami Brown would be the specific type of receiver they would look for. That's why I went Kaderius Tony. But, uh, yeah, mock draft time, baby. Here we go. We're a one day away from the draft. There's so many questions. It's going to be, I think,


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[Assistant] I mean, the COVID-19s, some of the best players in the draft of the injuries, all that. Are these teams gonna trade up?


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[Assistant] For some of these guys who do have, you know, are opt-out guys or have injury questions like


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[Assistant] All these things. Everybody's looking to trade down. Everybody wants to stock pile picks for 2022. But the big thing with this draft is it's limited in the amount of elite players that are in it. So who's everybody trading up for to trade down with?


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[Assistant] You know, that's, that's where I get into it, and I think that's gonna be fun to watch on Thursday night.


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[Assistant] Some sleepers? Yeaah, sleepers or just guys that listen, you've heard me talk about that I just don't think are getting enough, you know, notoriety or there's not enough conversation around.


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[Assistant] We're going to go through it. I'll kind of rank them a little bit. We'll have a conversation, you know, maybe, maybe if you hear how guys are ranked, it'll make you think a little bit differently about the guy in general too. I think that's, you know, part of the process. And listen, I think there's teams that do these types of exercises to


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[Assistant] To figure it out as far as like, ooh, we have guy- two guys that are really close.


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[Assistant] You know, let's, let's start to, you know, make a list of what makes one guy better and the other guy less or who checks all the boxes and who's missing one box. I mean, that's a, that's a real thing.


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[Assistant] Trey Lance, we're gonna, I'm gonna get to talk to him later today. I'm really excited about that. I mean, the one thing, again, I know I'm a little more down on the player as Trey Lance. Like, I understand that. Uh, it doesn't mean I don't root for the guy or the person going forward. That's the thing that I think gets lost here, and I hate this aspect of the draft talk and all of that. Lance, like,


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[Assistant] You know, he's such a cool guy. He's, he is the kind of guy you want to be the quarterback of your team and your organization and everything about that. Has a great way with players, all that. I constantly hear that and I've heard a few snippets of few interviews here and there and he seems like that. So I am looking forward to talking to him.


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[Assistant] In that organization between Trey Lance and Mack Jones, yeaah, I think that's probably real. Do I think that Kyle Shanahan probably always favored Mack Jones in my heart of hearts? Yes, I do. You know, why I think people are a little too is like, well, you know, you trade up because you know you have one guy in mind.


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[Assistant] Okay, yes, but it doesn't have to be like 100% that guy. That's the one thing I hear. Ooh, there's, you know, ooh, it's a little indecisive. Maybe they don't really know who they want. Why would you make that trade up to number three if you don't know who you want? Well, there's nothing wrong with being like,


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[Assistant] 70-30 and being like, wow, I really like this guy. I don't know if he's going to be there when we pick. We should trade, we should trade up. And then you get to the other guy you're evaluating and you go, man, I like this guy too.


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[Assistant] I don't like him as much as the other guy, but I like him. He's worthy of trading up and picking in that spot too. You know, I like that first guy more, but this second guy's intriguing. Let me think about him a little bit and maybe what my offense could be with him and all that. What's wrong with having that conversation? In fact, I think that's what a smart person should do.


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[Assistant] So then, okay, let's do our due diligence, the pro days, the second pro day. Get to know the guys a little bit more. Let me dive deeper into the film from years past and everything like that. Oh, okay, alright, hey, the guy I did like 70-30 from the start, it's 99.9 now. Could very well have been at the


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[Assistant] We liked all five quarterbacks. So they knew that two were off the board, and as we said, back in the time.


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[Assistant] Shanahan took fate into his own hands and said, okay, well then I'm gonna get the next best one that I think is the next best one and not have to worry about, oh,


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[Assistant] I hope this guy falls to me. And all those type of things. And he said that in a press conference Monday.


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[Assistant] You know, and which also made me like context clues made me lead to believe there was one guy that they've like got a star next to. Right. Because he made a comment basically saying like, you know, we could have sit there at 12 and maybe the guy we wanted wasn't there. Right. Right. So that makes me believe that there was one guy.


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[Assistant] And that's where, you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that thought of going, we're going to this spot, we like everybody. I've got one guy that's in the leader house, but the other two guys are interesting and I'm not going to stop doing my homework on them and see where it goes. So I don't think that's that crazy of a thought.


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[Assistant] It was a tough, it was a tough thing. Again, this is, again, this is what pisses me off with all this stuff. And like, you know, even like, you know, Joe Thomas was attacking me on social media last night, apparently, as I was getting ready to go to bed. I have a life, so I stopped watching or paying attention. But, like,


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[Assistant] You know, to say it's clickbait and stuff like that, that's just bullcrap. That's one thing it's not. It's just bullcrap and that's where I get pissed off. I didn't go into this exercise finalizing it or starting it and went


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[Assistant] Okay, I wrote Justin Fields at the top of the paper and I wrote


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[Assistant] Okay, let me fill it all in to make sure I got him a 32. That's not how I work. That's not how I operate. You know, I did it with, yes, I'm being a little true to my own rankings and my thoughts.


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[Assistant] Uhm, also I took into account rumors and things I've heard into the NFL. I took all of this into account. And as I went through it, yeaah, I'm one of those that just went, mmm, I don't know if Detroit will take a quarterback at seven. Mmm, I don't know about Denver either.


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[Assistant] So, it's a year where, you know, there's not a lot of premium players.


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[Assistant] And those two teams, they have holes. Are they going to pass up those premium players for a down the line quarterback? I don't know. So I said no.


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[Assistant] I had Washington trading to get Trey Lance. The Chicago Bears are a tough one. I don't think it's that crazy to have the Chicago Bears passing up a quarterback.


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[Assistant] You know, we all know that those, those two Nagy and Pace are kind of on the hot seat. So are they going to waste that quarterback that's semi like, we're not sure if he can play and help us out this year? And if Rashaun Slater is there at 20, they might like that anyways.


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[Assistant] I don't think they're gonna get the green light to get a quarterback. What? What? This is what I've argued from the start. So what? They can get fired and now the next regime can get pinned with a quarterback that maybe they didn't want. Just like Matt Nagy got with Mitchell Trubisky. So we're gonna repeat history here maybe.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I got to that. I got to pick 24, the Steelers. I know, I got it. But I'm erring on, Pittsburgh's going all in on one more year with Big Ben. They're not going to waste a pick. That's what I did.


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[Assistant] You know, now you get into the last few picks, and yeaah, I thought about trades and things like that, and that's certainly a possibility. I don't know, would Atlanta come up at the end of the first round?


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[Assistant] Nobody. So that's what I mean. It's all second round people. It would be, is Detroit, or Denver, or Atlanta, the teams I had pass up at the top ten, are they gonna trade up?


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[Assistant] To do that. Maybe New Orleans? And maybe, that could be, you know, and when I came to a lot of this logic and some of these things, I just went like, wait, this team like really needs an impact player at this position. I'm not sure if I would feel good trading right now. In a draft where we know there's not a lot of high end players.


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[Assistant] So that's where I did it. And that's where I, so it wasn't preconceived. I kind of went through all teams. I understand there's likely that there could be, uh, Fields is on the board after 24, that there could be a trade or anything like that. But I kind of just stayed with like, wait, no, I think this team needs this. This team needs that.


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[Assistant] And I went that way. It's a mock draft. It's my mock draft. So screw off. That's what I got to say to you about that.


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[Assistant] I mean, ESPN came on TV and John Gruden was pick number one, Johnny Manziel. Pick number two, Johnny Manziel. Pick number three, Johnny Manziel. I mean, the whole world was like, we're out of the top ten and Johnny Manziel hasn't been picked. Yeah, okay, because people watched the film and said it's not worthy of a top ten pick.


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[Assistant] I do. I like them a lot. I didn't really realistically know because I tried to be a little bit true to form to what I know in the world of football right now and it doesn't sound like Helen Mines gonna go in the first round. So yeaah, really, I tried to...


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[Assistant] So yeaah, on some of those picks where there's no knowledge or anything out there, yeaah, then I played de facto GM and tried to fill it in, you know, within reason to, again, to what I think fits, what you hear out there and everything like that. I tried to take all that into account.


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[Assistant] I mean, to me, he's borderline the first or second best defensive player in the draft. I really think him, Jalen Phillips, and Micah Parsons are the three best defensive players in the draft.


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[Assistant] I of course think he's a top 10 pick, but this is again into my mac and my logic. He's not going in the top 10. He's not because of the medicals. There's just no way.


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[Assistant] In fact, I know there's some people out there who reached out to me in the NFL thinking, do you think Farley would really go in that range? Cause they think he's gonna fall farther. I think there's some other people that think there's no way he's going in the first round.


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[Assistant] Because there's some teams that have him crossed off on their medical list. So, you know, that's why I have him dropping down. But I think the teams that do love him


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[Assistant] Okay, when you get to around pick 19 and 20, that's when they're gonna go, okay, he's not perfect, we know, but we can, we can at least sleep easy tonight, taking him here instead of at number five or number seven or number eight or something like that.


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[Assistant] I think it's those two teams that pop out to me for that position. You know, the Steelers, I mean, it makes sense. I'm not a huge Najee Harris fan that way, okay?


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[Assistant] But, I do believe they're going into like what we just talked about a minute ago. It's going to be all in Tom Brady ball in Pittsburgh this year. We're going to play defense, we're going to run the ball, be balanced, protect Ben. If it's one on one, he's going to throw it. I think that's what they're going to try to do, so that makes sense.


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[Assistant] The big thing too is they got real offensive line issues too.


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[Assistant] And you can probably get an elite difference maker for your offensive line at that pick too. So that's something they're gonna have to balance out. The running back ATN at 30.


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[Assistant] With the bills to me, makes a ton of sense. That'd be fun, wouldn't it? It does. I mean, they have a knee to the position. You know, I don't know how they feel about Zach Moss who they drafted in the third round last year. I liked him coming out. But ATN I think fits the way they're playing football right now, right? Hey, they're gonna be in the shotgun with Josh Allen.


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[Assistant] For the most part, they're gonna let him wheel and deal, he does have the threat to run, and now you have an ATN who, yes is good between the tackles, yes can catch the ball coming out of the backfield, yes is awesome in the screen game, right? So he brings all of everything they really want at the running back into one total package. That makes sense to me, I don't think that's crazy.


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[Assistant] Okay, well let's just like, there's an obvious one, I'd love to see Kaderius Tony with Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. Okay, yes, I, that, yes, so, like that's so easy, I feel like that shouldn't even count, alright? But I would love to see that.


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[Assistant] For me, the studs of the world again. The medical COVID opt-out guys. I would mean, the culture in the Super Bowl window.


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[Assistant] If they got Jaylen Phillips with that defense.


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[Assistant] And now, like, I'd go, oh my gosh, they got that defense, and now they got, you know, DeForest Buckner with Jalen Phillips, the way they play, everything like that, that to me would change my thought on the Colts, to where it's like, yeaah, they're in the Super Bowl contending window to like, woah, they might legitimately be like one of the four or five


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[Assistant] Biggest Super Bowl contenders, like that would be one I'd look at for sure.


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[Assistant] Oh, I know, that'd be interesting too. And you know, I know Chris Ballard, he's got a history of not.


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[Assistant] Touching medical guys, things like this for the most part.


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[Assistant] You know, but the thing will be interesting again is, I mean, the concussion rule was a real thing. Like he got what, I think the number was like he got three concussions, he had to sit out. Right. And as I told you, he did a, like, there was no signs of anything like that on this film from last year, and he does a great job of keeping his head.


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[Assistant] Out of big collisions anyways. Like he was very impressive that way. To where he just kinda like he was gonna hit you with his face on his chest, he never ducked his head, and it wasn't an issue, but he's just, he's a star. He's a top 10 pick.


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[Assistant] Right, and I think, again, De'Ami Brown doesn't really fit the Robin Hood mold here, but- What is the definition? Like, does a second rounder count? Are we talking-


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[Assistant] To me, really, it's just guys that aren't getting the notoriety they deserve. Okay. De'Ami Brown is a guy that I still think has a possibility to like sneak into the end of the first round. I do not think that's crazy. I know there's some teams who look at him to go,


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[Assistant] Wait, yeah, Chris, I agree that he could fall somewhere in that range, no doubt about it.


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[Assistant] I just don't think he's getting enough credit. All we talk about is the two Alabama receivers and Jamar Chase. That's all we ever hear about. And then it goes to the next pass catcher, which is Kyle Pitts. And then, you know, after that, I feel like it usually does go to Kadarius Tony. De'Ami Brown and his skillset, I just, this is a superstar potential.


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[Assistant] You know, again, the big thing that's holding him back is Routree. It's all you ever hear is Routree, Routree, Routree. And to me, at some point, you gotta be able to piece some things together, you know? And like, I'll use like T. Higgins last year. T. Higgins,


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[Assistant] His route tree wasn't extensive, and some of the routes he ran, sometimes you go, ehh.


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[Assistant] That could be cleaner. I wish that was better. But then he would catch the ball.


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[Assistant] And like, the same thing with De'Ami Brown. I don't know, when I see him catch the ball and cut either way, he breaks ankles and makes people look stupid. So it makes me believe that he'll be able to go to the white line and make a right hand turn when he has to. I just think so.


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[Assistant] Deal of ideal. Think about that wide receiver set that they would have. I know. And listen, I tossed around that idea and everything like that. Now, I think to go, I mean, that's the big question with that five pick. You know, Sewell is pretty damn special. Jamar Chase is pretty damn special.


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[Assistant] A true, what we view as a true difference making wide receiver will be there. Would you count Brown as that? I do. I do. And if you felt like for sure, like man, the way we've played out our board and we've played, because this is what teams are doing. They're going through the draft and playing scenarios and thinking about


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[Assistant] Okay, well in this scenario, we have this group of guys available to us. Alright, in this scenario, woah, we have this group of guys available to us. And if you feel confident that a De'Ami Brown or a Kadarius Tony maybe or something like that will be on the board at, what are they, 37?


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[Assistant] I mean, that, I'm really fascinated by that. I've gone back and forth with that conversation there with Cincinnati. They're one of the fun ones. Yeah. Amari Rogers, Clemson. Amari Rogers is, just gets no talk. Amari Rogers.


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[Assistant] To me as a guy that's gonna thrive in the NFL and really, you know, was a little bit, uh, you know, he dealt with some injuries and things like that at Clemson.


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[Assistant] One of those guys, Paul, that's a wide receiver that's built like a running back, you know, they don't have an offense that knows how to really work, you know, this is where I get into the, they're a college offense, right, a little bit. They don't have slot option routes and the things that maybe he could thrive at and be good at, they didn't really do that in college.


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[Assistant] I think the guy has got a little bit of everything. I mean, there's strength to his game. When he catches the ball, he turns into a running back and can make people miss and break tackles and do that. More break tackles than make people miss.


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[Assistant] You know, but then also there's enough speed to be outside and go, wait, he's strong enough and fast enough outside to be a real thing too. You've seen him in person. I mean, what jumped out to you? We haven't had this conversation.


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[Assistant] I think so, I think he's probably going to be like a fourth rounder somewhere in there, I think, realistically, something in there. He's the guy who catches, you know, 30-40 balls his rookie season. Definitely, without a doubt. I mean, I just, I think, you know, the NFL, it's where I look at guys like Kim. I probably could have put Amon Say, uh, Amon Ross St. Brown in this from USC.


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[Assistant] You know, those are guys where I look at to go college, they were good, but they're more made for the NFL. They're gonna have the definitive role in the NFL to where we're all gonna look at them maybe in a few years and go, damn, they're catching 85 balls a season. I didn't think that was gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like Roger's in person, like, is he what I think he is as far as like looking like a running back almost?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he's that type of guy. I do. He has definitely kind of been lost on the shuffle here. And it just speaks again to the receivers that you can get in this draft, I think in the third or fourth round.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, speed. That's the biggest thing. I think he's a guy that could surprise people and maybe, I think it could be a second round pick. For, you know...


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[Assistant] The ability that he has to run routes.


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[Assistant] You know, he really can stick his foot in the ground and come out of breaks and do all that really well. He's got special returnability too. And, you know, the speed on the film...


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[Assistant] Is, oh wow, like, does he run 429 or 431? It's that kind of look, right? To where I just think it's too good, and the way he runs routes, and then he has enough size and everything behind it, to where I think he does go somewhere in the first two rounds.


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[Assistant] Three rockets up his ass fast. I mean, he can fly.


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[Assistant] This is, this is the guy that, you know, I mean, there was like some tirey kill in him, what he could do. And, you know, Pete, if you can, did, did, I want to say I remember him running a really impressive 40 time at his own pro day, which is, again, it's a weird year with the pro days, but true slot guy, weapon guy,


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[Assistant] Like smaller than Kaderius Tony, right? But along those lines of that type of player.


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[Assistant] I would say he's actually faster than Kadarius Tony. Now he's not gonna break tackles and do that. Kadarius Tony can really do stuff like that where he can like run between the tackles and break tackles. Darden's smaller, he's got some issues catching the ball over the middle, he's worried about his small body and playing that way, but a true slot jitterbug type that's got like


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[Assistant] Which is kind of rare. Usually those guys are quicker than fast, right? This guy is like, no, he's quicker and faster. You've got them both.


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[Assistant] I'd probably, I'd probably favor Stevenson a little bit, I would. Uhm, I just think the size, you know, is a real thing to me. Uhm, and Stevenson,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess I just have less questions overall. Route running may be better with Stevenson, size better with Stevenson, didn't have questions about his hands a little bit. You know, Durden, there was a little bit of those issues there. You know, again, I think he could be one of those surprise, awesome players for a team, but I have more questions about him.


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[Assistant] I think this guy is right there in the classroom. I mean, obviously, I think he's better than Najee Harris. You give me my offense, I want, I want Michael Carter. I do. I mean, he's...


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[Assistant] He just, he's, you know, his acceleration and straight head speed is on another level from Najee Harris. I mean, as we know, I mean, Najee Harris, we're talking about a guy who played


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[Assistant] For the best offensive line in college football, and he's got like one run over 20 yards, that to me like should say something to people a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, Michael Carter, it's the acceleration and then...


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[Assistant] The ability to make people miss is truly elite that way. You know, so I take that, I just think he's made for the NFL as far as coming out of the backfield, catching balls, doing that, got some value in between the tackles, and he's a big play back.


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[Assistant] I don't. I don't think there's any way. I would think, I would think...


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[Assistant] You know, we're gonna see a run of him, Najee Harris, and Travis ATN anywhere from let's say 24 to 50. I think you start to see those guys go off the board.


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[Assistant] I mean, again, home run hitter. Yeah, JVN Hawkins is one of those guys. Give him a hole. Tell him to put the pedal to the metal and we'll see you in the end zone. I mean, that's the kind of player he is. He's tiny. He's small. I get that. I think he's Raheem Wotster.


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[Assistant] Or, or, uh, uh, a Matt Breida type of guy. Might not be a long career, but it's gonna be a lot of highlights and big plays. And I hear his name...


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[Assistant] Nada at all. I mean, I think really he's probably going to be true mid-round pick and I don't know, maybe there's more to the story there than I know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but he's just a hell of a football player that is going to have a role that's more valued again in the NFL than it is in college football. Right. That H back, second tight end, slot receiver, full back, you don't know what position we're gonna line up in, you know, and then with his speed and his physicality, man, I just have a hard time thinking NFL teams aren't gonna love him.


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[Assistant] Throws his body around like he's the strongest man on the planet. Just enjoys that part of the game. He really does. I mean, feet drive on contact, no matter how aggressive the contact is. I mean, he's truly one of the best lead blockers in the draft, let alone, like you said, he can really run.