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[Assistant] So number two, the commanders. I'm interested to hear your thought on what I do at nine there.


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[Assistant] Info for where, like you just discussed, it's not like don't pick me, right? There's obviously a little friction there, and yea, sure, he wants to go with an old friend and Antonio Piers, but he's still willing to go, yea. And hey, you go to a place like Washington, again, I look at that as a place where


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[Assistant] I know we all question what's going on in the organization right now, right? But like as a quarterback, that to me is the place where like I'm a homes to Kansas City or even a borough to the Bengals or even like CJ Stroud to Houston. It's like they haven't had one in a while or they've never had one that's been like the guy for a long time.


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[Assistant] You, you can be that guy there and then they have some talent at receiver, right?


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[Assistant] That, that to me should be encouraging to Jayden Daniels from that standpoint.


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[Assistant] That'd be a situation, wow, storied franchise, they've never really had that big time guy.


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[Assistant] Right? They went to the Super Bowl and won, you know, three Super Bowls, the three different damn quarterbacks in the eighties, right? So they're a little different that way. Here's the thing to me when I've been saying this, cause it feels like if they didn't do Jayden Daniels, they would do Drake May, right? That's what it feels like. And again, I agree. I have no inside info.


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[Assistant] But, as I was talking about this on the show today at PFT,


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[Assistant] We were talking about the Jayden Daniels, Drake May, Washington conundrum, right? I had somebody...


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[Assistant] It will not be Drake May at number two. So that means, okay, if it's not Jane Daniels or somebody else they like or some other plan or whatever else they're going to do, but either way, I think at the end of the day, you know, even with this little discontent or whatever else is out there, Jane Daniels is too talented, right? And it wouldn't be the first time ever a guy was like, wasn't like, Hey, I, you know,


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[Assistant] I, I, I, I'm not sure if I want to go there. There's other plays, but it all works out in the end anyways. And you can't let the player kind of hold the team hostage. I expect them to take them. What do you think of the fit with Jayden and Cliff Kingsbury? I mean,


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[Assistant] I don't see anything that's glaring to me. Right. You know, the thing I like about Jaden is he's got a quick compact motion.


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[Assistant] If he's in the shotgun and gotta get some of those quicker spread type throws out, I think he's very capable of that.


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[Assistant] Right? Cliff's usually pretty good at, you know, the one of the beauties about him with Arizona and Kyler Murray is, hey, they spread you out. Hey, okay. He picks you apart. He makes a few throws, whatever, but they spread you out too. And then you got a quarterback that runs and you're like, shit.


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[Assistant] We gotta worry about these past concepts and they're putting us all over the field and now we got lanes for a guy that's a super freak when it comes to running the football to open it up and I kinda like that aspect. Alright, so number three, this is where the fun gets crazy. This is where it gets crazy.


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[Assistant] Number three, I had now the Vikings making the trade with the New England Patriots, right? I, I, I, you know, not that I know this either.


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[Assistant] Uh, from people, again, around the league and whatever else. I, I, I think New England wants to trade out of there. New England wants to take, I think has to take a quarterback though, right? That's the biggest thing. Right now, again, they got Bailey Zappi and Jacoby Percet.


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[Assistant] I mean, they're going to take something here, but I don't think they are comfortable with taking any of these guys at number three. I think Minnesota is desperate. They're going to get somebody in there that they feel like can run their offense and be the future for Kevin O'Connell.


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[Assistant] Again, I have no inside info on JJ McCarthy here. Of course, Dre May, Drake, Drake May is a interesting one here too because of the Josh McCown connection, right? And him coaching Drake May back in high school and that relationship. So I don't know if I'm right here, but I certainly think Drake, JJ McCarthy fits


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[Assistant] Kevin O'Connell's offense, right? Underneath center, JJ's going to be very comfortable with that. Play action game, crossers over the middle, all that. So that's what JJ did in Michigan. So I'm kind of going of, you know, off of that system fit guy I like.


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[Assistant] And, you know, there's that, but the Drake may think certainly went into my.


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[Assistant] I'm thinking here as well of going, wait, maybe would they go Drake May here? You know, do they feel like, Hey, we got Sam Darnold and this is great for Drake May. He can sit for a year and we can work with them and maybe we have something after that. Right? Um, but at the end of the day, I think I'm going with what would, here's what did it for me. I didn't know as I'm explaining here, Kevin O'Connell's faith


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[Assistant] I think I could fix a lower part of a quarterback. I don't know if I can fix the upper part of the quarterback.


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[Assistant] And to me, Drake May's got both of those problems, right? There's lower body problems and upper body problems, right? So I know some took it that leg. I guess, Oh, Kevin O'Connell thinks he can fix Drake May. I took it as I heard the part where he says,


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[Assistant] There might be things that could happen for 15 years and I can't fix them. And that to me was what made my ears go. And I went, that sounds like that's Drake May. So that's kind of what led me to Jake, JJ McCarthy. Again, though, there's no inside info here for this one.


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[Assistant] I think in our traditional sense, listen, I don't think J.J. McCarthy, Pennex, or Bonix are worth the third pick of the draft, right? But if you like a guy and you want him and you believe in him, go, sure.


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[Assistant] I think panics would fit that. Yea, me too. I, I mean, you know, again.


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[Assistant] Pennix maybe not quite as good at hopping around the pocket and doing stuff like that. Yeaah, there's going to be a little bit of, hey, let's get him used to underneath the center and getting away from the line of scrimmage with all that because he's been in the shotgun and all that. But, but for O'Connell, whose offense is,


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[Assistant] One 15 and 20 and 25 yard throw after another. How could you not like Michael Pena just fit in that, right?


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[Assistant] It does. Now as I've said here on the podcast, I don't, I actually, and I've checked with other people that


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[Assistant] They can sell them as the Larry Fitzgerald of the future, right? There's all of that. I think the, the floor is very high with Marvin Harrison Jr., right? There's been some talk about a little bit of a off the field thing with Malik neighbors to a degree, right? So I think to that, that's why I go Marvin Harrison Jr., uh, that just,


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[Assistant] Kind of what I feel through the grapevine and trusting some people that have a little feel for Arizona as well.


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[Assistant] So and I think that's another part where I look at it and go, Ooh, things could get interesting if they go neighbors there. And then I go, that could shake some things up for sure.


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[Assistant] Right. That, that could shake up again. I think it could shake up number five. All of a sudden they go, wait, now neighbors is on the board or not on the board or whatever. This guy, I mean, there's just a lot of things there that go into the play here, but safe pet safe pick.


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[Assistant] Good pedigree. He's got all the skills. He's a damn good player. Again, I know he's not my number one receiver. I got that, but he's damn good. And, uh, yeaah, I'm kind of feeling that right there with number four.


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[Assistant] I think so. Again, again, I could see them maybe being in a trade down. I've had a few people tell me like, Hey, you sure they won't take JC Latham? This is Harbaugh and Roman. They might believe in the big mauler, right? Latham did play right tackle, right? So I I've had that thought out there.


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[Assistant] But again, I'm also a little bit like, hey, it's their first pick. It's their first draft. You know, man, Notre Dame tackle. Like you can't be wrong with it a little bit. You know, it's a safe pick. All is definitely one of the safest picks of the draft.


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[Assistant] That's where I kinda went that way, right? And again, I don't think any of these guys all


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[Assistant] Latham, really any of the top tackles, if they had to play left or right, I don't think it's going to be a big adjustment for any of them.


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[Assistant] Roman, Greg Roman seems like a little bit of a believer in that big mauler type of ex-Baltimore Raven type of O Lyman, right? Or the Lyman he had with Harbaugh and the 49ers the first time around.


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[Assistant] Which was those type of people. So, I know, that's, that was where, that was my decision there. It was trenches all the way. I know some people put them as receiver. I look at it and go, that doesn't seem like a hardball or the GM type of move from their history and what they believe as a team, right? And then my other thought too is like,


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[Assistant] If you want to get an old lineman, you got to get him there, right? I think you can, you're better off doing the lineman here and then doing the receiver in the second. 37th overall pick. Then the other way around. Exactly right. And then having a lineman that you're like, well, hey, he's good, but he's not even in the same stratosphere as the guys we were talking about taking a number five.


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[Assistant] I mean, to me it's the most glaring thing on their team. You're just like, first off,


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[Assistant] Offensive guy that can make plays. Who, who is that? I know Jalen Hayek can run and we got that. Darius Slayton can do that too. I get it. So we got some people that get some heat to go down the field, but I don't necessarily think those are guys who like kind of what you were talking about a minute ago with Neighbors in Arizona. They don't have a guy who can run like


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[Assistant] A fake shallow cross come out, catch the ball, make somebody miss, and they'll get up the field for another 30 yards. That's where you just said Odell Beckham Jr. That's different.


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[Assistant] Those other guys we just talked about are kind of straight line speed guys. They're not going to be quite as good running over the middle of the intricate routes, breaking tackles, making things happen after the catch. I think neighbors all the way here. And, uh, that would be awesome for the Giants to add him to the Daniel Jones tool set.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right. You know, I mean, again, I almost feel like it's whatever one's leftover, whoever the chargers don't take, right? This is what they'll go with. Uh, but it, it's, it's young quarterback.


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[Assistant] Right? The Callahan's, it's, they believe in offensive line. There's a, their offensive line's been decimated the last few years. I mean, ever since they had...


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[Assistant] You know, the AFC Championship game with Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill in 2019, it's slowly taking a hit every year, whether it's injuries, missed draft picks, letting Jack Conklin go in for agency. They've had it all. Taylor Lewon retiring, right? So I think it's the thing that needs to be addressed by them in a big way. The one thing that surprised me, we'll


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[Assistant] I would, I mean, I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, Callahan's probably very confident that like, hey, if we don't go too far down, I can still find us a really good tackle or lineman that I think fits our football team. You know, and, and yeah, I mean, I think as long as you don't


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[Assistant] You know, leave, as long as you don't go past 20, I feel like you're guaranteed to get somebody pretty damn good, right? And that's where maybe they would feel comfortable about that.


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[Assistant] You can, and they just, it's a need on their football team. It's like the number one thing you look at to go.


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[Assistant] They need something at that position, uh, there's no...


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[Assistant] And I think that yes, yes. I mean, a guy like Quinian Mitchell, I think is in a.


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[Assistant] And a class of his own at corner right there. So I, I mean, I, I did, I thought about it. I was like, maybe the Falcons would go corner here, but I think all in all, it makes sense for the reasons you said. And Dallas Turner's got some traits about him that are very, very special. Uh, and another guy that I would say could be a superstar, but I still think has a very high floor too.


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[Assistant] I don't look at him going, oh, he's going to be a bust or anything like that, right? He might not be what we think he might be, but I don't think it's going to be bust is going to be part of this conversation.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Right, right. Like, okay, like he doesn't get 15 sacks a year, he gets seven, but he's still your starting outside linebacker for a long, long time.


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[Assistant] I mean, you got, you got DJ Moore, you got Kenan Allen, they got Colt Comett, they got, they got Gerald Everett, they got Vesis Jones and some other guys that I think they're thinking like, hey, they can come up the ranks here and help us out. And my other thought too is, you know, one, they have a need at this position, this pass rusher.


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[Assistant] The pass rushers, especially to me, Dallas Turner and Latu, I think for the most part are in, from most of the people I've talked to, a little bit of like, hey, we think they're almost in a tier by themselves. So I'm going to go that thought there, right? From what I've heard from people around the league. And then I think on top of that,


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[Assistant] Like, we always, always help the young quarterback get more weapons. Sometimes having the best defense in football really helps the young quarterback too, right? I don't think they're weapon deprived there with what we just said.


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[Assistant] I, I, I look at it as a need of the team. I think the guy is such a damn good player, right? I look at their team and go, I think they're really close. And I think the other pass rusher is the only thing I look at to go.


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[Assistant] That's why I put them there. And again, I know, hey listen, are we...


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[Assistant] I went big picture with the Jess. I know Brock Bowers, everybody's saying that, and I can see that, and I think Brock Bowers is, is worth the number 10 pick. Yea, he's that good. I don't think it's crazy.


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[Assistant] I just, the thing I've been saying to people on radio or my friends or whatever else is just go,


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[Assistant] Are you really going to roll the dice on Tyrone Smith and Morgan Moses that they're going to stay healthy the whole year? I mean, you're really, you're going to do that with a quarterback who's like coming off an injury and older anyways. And a quarterback that I would tell you even before the injury had a hard time standing in the pocket and letting throws happen down the field and letting plays develop.


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[Assistant] So that's where I just go. To me it's the smart.


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[Assistant] It's the big picture pick, and it's also, even for the short term, not as crazy as people think too, for all the reasons you said, and I think he's one of the, probably the safest picks of the draft, uh, because of what you talked about, the position versatility, really


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[Assistant] I think in their perfect world too, right? Yeaah, they'll figure it out, whatever that goes. I think they're expecting.


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[Assistant] Fountain out, uh, I mean, uh, uh, Simpson to be their starting guard. Right. With what they paid them, right? All those things would tell me that, right? And what I would think is they're almost looking at it like,


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[Assistant] Hopefully, hey, he could come in and maybe he could be the starting right tackle right off the bat or something like that. And we'll have Morgan Moses just as a backup, right? And we don't have to depend on him. Right. So, you know, that's, that's interesting. But I also think he's very much, you know, Elijah Vera Tucker-ish and that versatility. It really is.


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[Assistant] I think that like, I mean, I thought about that. One, because I just, I come to that thought, right? And just two is like, you know, talking to the people around the league and, you know, a few people that have a little feel, know New England, right? I mean, again, I made fun of this today on Pro Football Talk.


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[Assistant] They're going into the year with Jacoby Brissett and Bailey Zappi. They're going to take a quarterback, right? Now, is it here? I would expect so because I think you're in danger if you wait any longer, right? That would be the big thing. Okay, you traded, you got the, you know, also the 23rd pick, right, from Minnesota in that trade.


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[Assistant] But damn, I don't think you're guaranteed of, you're playing Russian roulette if you think a quarterback is going to be there or there.


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[Assistant] And again, with the Drake May thing and the conversation there, hey, the New England would be a spot you'd go, okay, again, Jacoby can start this year. We can work on Drake. And if Drake blows us out of the water and training camp early on in the year, we just make him the starter. Great. But this is a spot where he can develop a little bit.


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[Assistant] And again, you know, that's where I think, I don't think they're comfortable with him at three. I think there's things they like, things between that, things I've heard. And then Jared met, Gerard Mayo at the owner's meeting.


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[Assistant] Bringing up that Drake May is raw and has some things to work on. That was my first big signal of like, Oh, they don't want to take Drake May at three. They recognize that there's, there's some things that he's got to get, get better at and polish that. Right. So that would be the reason I made that happen there. So this is the beginning


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[Assistant] You know, I know a lot of people look at Bo Nix and all these mocks and listen, I get it. I see it. I'm like, damn, I'm the only one that I've seen so far that's got Bo Nix going this high, right? But I also look into the same conversation you kind of just talked about, like, you're going to risk what?


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[Assistant] I'm careful. I'm with you and they need somebody. And you know, and I, I look at that and again, I, you know, maybe they could read the board, write and figure that out and drop down and still get them. But I think that's a risky proposition. Like we talked about and where I love


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[Assistant] Bo Nix, as the more time's gone on, the more I've actually liked him, just because


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[Assistant] Man, the decision making, the throwing, I mean, he really can play the position. And what I do there is I go, Sean Payton needs somebody that can play now. He needs now. And that's where I look at Bo Nix and go, hey, he's old, he's mature, he's played a lot. And I think if you took anybody who played the position the most by the book out of these quarterbacks you're talking about,


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[Assistant] Bo Nix plays the game most by the book, right? He made the most, oh, uh, you know, quick decisions, third read, right? Accurate throws, right? I know he throws screens, but that's, he's not installing the offense. I get that, but he's still really good at that. And he's got some playmaking ability to extend plays that I really like. I, I feel like there's, there's laying in the weeds for Bo Nix.


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[Assistant] No, it's not going to be that, like, it's not going to be, wow, oh my gosh, laser, laser, it's going to be good throw, ooh, good location, ooh, nice little play, getting out of the pocket, making a throw on the run there, ooh, I like that, oh wow, there was a good, whoa, that was a good,


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[Assistant] Nice little accurate throw. Nice little accurate throw. Oh, nice play with his legs. Oh, another good throw. Right. It's not gonna be like, oh, laser, sidearm, oh my gosh, Caleb Williams, crossing route, post. Like, it's not gonna be that. He's gonna run the system, and then he's gonna make the plays when they're there to be had.


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[Assistant] I always use the frame like, you know, beacon of hope, whatever, a guy that you can look at and go, man, the future, we got this guy, this is awesome. I think he's ready to play right away.


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[Assistant] You got an insurance policy in Gardner-Minshew behind him. And of course, Aiden O'Connell there, you're all good to go. But Pennix, I look like with, with Bo Nix in a lot of ways where, you know, again, the amount of reps they have, how old they are, the maturity they've shown to this point already. I think they're ready to go and you can start a new era there. Uh, but they need a quarterback. They need something.


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[Assistant] You know, I thought about doing some other things with them too, but I just came away with it going, man.


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[Assistant] Gosh, if I'm Antonio Pierce and I'm sitting there, I'm going, man, am I, we're really going to try to, can I win the AFC West or make a run or really stamp my spot as the Raiders head coach with Gardner Mintchou and Aiden O'Connell? I'm not sure I would feel that way. No, and he's been pretty vocal that you've got to, you've got to go get a quarterback. You've got to have it happen.


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[Assistant] I feel like, you know, there's a cliff here with some of these defensive positions where I feel like that would be my one thing when I look at mock drafts and where people have people ranked and go, no, no, no, these guys are like priority and there's not a lot of them and Byron Murphy.


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[Assistant] I mean, for me, without a doubt, one of the best players in this draft. I look at the Saints, you look at their football team, they're getting up there in age in the front, right? I mean, you, you go through it, uh, as far as their football, their, their, their whole thing there. I mean, Cam Jordan's coming to an end, coming to an end.


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[Assistant] Right? It's a defensive head coach. Right? Yeah. Look at some other needs that I think about corner. I did to a degree.


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[Assistant] You know, Paulson and Debo's a baller, they still got Marshawn Latimore, they got Alante, Taylor, they got some other people in the secondary where I went, I don't think that's as desperate a need. The tackle position, I did think about.


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[Assistant] A disaster, but are they going to let it go? Are they going to call it? I don't know. The Ryan Ram's check injury, right? I don't know there. Andrew's Pete's still on the street, I believe, right? Where I would go, like, I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up back there.


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[Assistant] You know, the guard position, they're, they're good. Center and two guards between, you know, um, McCoy, Ruiz, and Hurst, they're good at guard.


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[Assistant] Right? Ram check. So the tackle thing was the other thing I thought about there. I did. But I kinda looked at it and I went, you know what? I don't think they're gonna give up on the penning thing quite yet. Right? And, uh,


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[Assistant] I look at it as a defensive head coach where the defense started to fall off a little last year. They need some difference making young studs on the front seven.


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[Assistant] I know they got Brian Brazee last year, right? Did a good job. We'll see where that goes. But yea, they need more from him. Now you got another guy like this, right? I just thought the talent of the player, the need


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[Assistant] Right? And the fact that we talk about the tackle position, I just want, I think they're going to stand pat with tackle and ride this group out one more year. And I think they make the move for the D tackle.


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[Assistant] They don't have anything like this, right? You know, their offensive line is pretty damn good. I know I saw Chris Ballard make a comment this week about, hey, they want to protect Anthony Richardson, right? I mean, I don't look at anything like glaring that they need right this second, right? I mean, you tell me if you think there's something they need.


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[Assistant] Shane Syken just came from a team in Philadelphia that had just five killers up front, right? You know? But then I also got into...


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[Assistant] You know, Hey, Brock Browers is really good. He's a good run blocker and Ooh, he got Anthony Richardson and Ooh.


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[Assistant] You know, what Jalen Hurts had with Goddard and all of that. Another piece to this offensive puzzle of, oh, he's behind the, you know, hey, Richardson's running the ball. Richardson's running around the edge. It's a bootleg. Oh, Brock Bowers is in the flat. Oh, he fakes to this guy. Brock Bowers is behind the line of scrimmage. He comes out on the other side. There, boom, Brock Bowers.


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[Assistant] I just think he fits a lot of things there that don't have a tight end, anything like him. He's extremely talented. If he's a little bigger.


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[Assistant] I think he's definitely a top 10 pick, probably even higher than that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, thought about that O Lyman there, but I just felt like, man, Brock Bowers makes sense for the Colts and how they're going to run their offense.


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[Assistant] You look at the Eagles and you go, they, their team is embarrassingly awesome, right? It's embarrassingly awesome. You're just like, oh my God, it's one stud after another in every position group, right? I mean, I make you drool over them.


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[Assistant] The only position you don't is corner. That's the only one you look at and go, eh, right?


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[Assistant] Got old quick. Got old quick. Darius Slade is, I think he wants more money. Bradbury didn't play very good. Slade, it's, it's, it's not gonna continue to go on an upward trajectory. We're not there at this point in his career. What are we getting? Year 10? 11? Right? So I look at it. Bold move. That's what the Eagles do.


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[Assistant] And I, this is clearly the, I think you could argue this is the best defensive player in the draft. That's what I think of Quinian Mitchell. I think for a lot of people, I know he's top two or three as far as their defensive players are concerned. And you know,


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[Assistant] Good corners are not easy to find. They're not. Good man to man cover corners. And this guy's special. And I think the Eagles are going to make a move here with their embarrassment of riches and get up there and get them.


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[Assistant] That was part of my reasoning behind it. And, you know, and probably a player or two that they could throw in too that if they're one of their embarrassment of riches. I don't know who that would be, but that's all I'm saying is they can easily make this move. There's no doubt about that.


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[Assistant] A lot of guys move like this. No, I was a little stuck with them. I wasn't sure what to do. I kinda came back to my same thought here a little bit of like, one, it's easily their biggest positional need in my opinion. I'm almost positive it'll be corner. Yea, you think it'll be corner?


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[Assistant] And, you know, I know that they're looking at that position anyways, of course, the Eagles. And that's not groundbreaking news. So that's why I did that. But now you look at the Jaguars and go, oh man, that messes up their plans. What would they do?


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[Assistant] Right? I still have Roma Dunze on the board. Would they go receiver? I certainly thought about that. I don't think they're doing O-line. I don't think so. They made some moves in free agency. They drafted a first round tackle last year. Right? Cam Robinson's coming back from injury. I don't think that's the move.


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[Assistant] Right? But I could be wrong. You have a lot of money tied into this group. That's what I, that's where I was like, are they gonna really go into that again? Right? More assets there?


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[Assistant] Right, right. So I just look, I can't imagine that. And corner is clearly the spot to look at there.


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[Assistant] I would have, Detackle would have been on my radar, but they got Eric Armstead, right? I don't think they're going to go pass rusher here. They need a true cover corner and Nate Wiggins after Quinian Mitchell is for my money, clearly the best man-to-man cover corner, not named Mitchell.


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[Assistant] I think that stuff's like, over-talked about anyway.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah, I mean, you know, again, he'll be 180, you know, probably in another two years, year and a half, right? But man, there's a lot of good corners that are...


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[Assistant] I feel like there always is that, right? Uhm, it kind of worked more the first way you said it. This is not like an inside info or an inkling. Here's one thing I do know. I don't think, I think


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[Assistant] Everybody likes a dunze, I just think everybody likes him in a different area, right? So I'm like, I don't know if like, those one or two teams we talk about in the top ten that might take him, if they don't take him,


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[Assistant] Then where's he go? And I think this is kind of where the area he would start to come back into the conversation again. I feel like...


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[Assistant] You know, I could be wrong there. And everybody has them as a first round grade.


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[Assistant] But I feel like the people even I talk to, you know, some have them in the, okay, maybe he's 8 to 12. And then I have others that are like, no, we think he's kind of in like a low 20s, mid 20s type of pick, right?


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[Assistant] So, that's where, you know, it kind of worked out that way organically for me. But then I looked at it, you look at Cincinnati, right? I kind of looked at their board, what would they might need, where would they go here, right? You know, you're getting into the last year of the T. Higgins thing with the franchise. Tyler Boyd's gone.


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[Assistant] You know, de-tackle I thought about, right? That was part of the- Murphy's gone. Murphy's gone. You know, I- so that was part of the combo there. Uhm, I thought about tackle a little bit.


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[Assistant] Exactly, right. But, you know, again, come back to it and go, they're not like desperate at lying. And you know, they did


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[Assistant] They, they got Orlando Brown. They got three interior old Lyman that are pretty good. The kid, Carmen Jackson still there.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I felt like this one would be one where they just couldn't pass it up. And they had a Trent Brown. And Trent Brown. I knew I was missing a Brown. Yea, that's the right tackle. So they're not desperate. If they drafted a Marius Mims, they'd have the three biggest tackles in the world. Right, right. I know. I mean, there would be another one where I'd go,


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[Assistant] They're not desperate there. They can get the receiver here and maybe get an offensive lineman in the second, do something like that to, you know, add a little depth and feel better about the position overall.


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[Assistant] Well, I got a, I got into this here a little bit with the Seahawks just because yeah, got them dropping down after that trade, but also them sitting there going, wait,


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[Assistant] You know, we need an interior offensive lineman in a bad way. And some of these teams that we just traded behind also need offensive lineman. Miami. And right. Exactly. So they could be stealing our guy here or whatever.


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[Assistant] Right? Because after this is Steelers, Dolphins, right? Uh, yeah, yeah, exactly. Steelers and Dolphins right after this, who we both, I think, would agree are certainly heavily in the offensive line conversation. For sure.


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[Assistant] So that's why I did that, and then I look at Seattle, and I went, wait, it could be Gardner tackle, I don't know, right? Abraham Lucas was hurt last year, you know, they got crossed the left tackle, so I was like, I think they're gonna go inside interior here. Oregon State's right around the corner.


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[Assistant] One guy can also play tackle, like if he needs to, right? So that's where I went with them with Fuwaga. Uh, and I think they'll make him guard is what I would, what I would want to do. Like you just talked about with him and the Colts, right? And now you got two pretty big dime tackles. You got him at guard and you got something working there.


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[Assistant] I looked at them and just, they're in a spot there too where...


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[Assistant] Yeah, as I looked at the Rams and got them trading back down to 22, I went, they need, to me, front seven, period. And there's a number of guys on the board at front seven. And then I looked at it and went, they're going to feel good that the Steelers and Dolphins are not going to be drafting front seven. So they can still get the same player that they wanted at 19.


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[Assistant] Twenty-three, or twenty-two, excuse me. And that's why I did that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, he's another, he's a, he's, uh, by a lot of people, looked at as the safe guy, cause the way he pass protects, right? Uh, Oli Fashanu, right? Fashanu. Fashanu. You had it the first time. Fashanu. Olu Fashanu.


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[Assistant] Fashion new, it is fashion new. I think I started off the wrong way and then got to the right way and went back, but it's Olu. But either way, yes, got him going there, right? Now here's another one that I would tell you


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[Assistant] Right? Right here. Right? Because some of my, yeah, exactly. Because some of my, yeah, but you said it right. I've had some people go like, we think he's one of the safer tackles in the draft. And then I've had others go, we think he's a second round pick. And I was like, oh, okay.


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[Assistant] Alright, so, you know, I think the teams that value run game and all that really don't like Olu. That's the issue. That's the problem, right? And so that's the problem, but either way the Steelers have a need there.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm a little bit of a sucker of like, hey, we're Pittsburgh. Hey, Penn State's right down the road. We got all the inside info on this guy. We've been watching him for a while. So I went with that and, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, had them address the offensive line issues. So probably Bradrick Jones at right tackle. I think so. I think Olu is a true left tackle. Left. I think so too. Agreed. Agreed. So yeah, I would imagine it to be that happening that way. I thought about interior line.


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[Assistant] You know, all of those things went to my thought process, but I think there was a little more desperation here of getting the tackle for the future here more than anything, and that's where they go with, uh, Olu.


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[Assistant] Yeah, right. Could even play center, I think. Could definitely play center. I think that's where I like it. They need somebody that's just gonna work no matter what. And that's where, like, Graham, Graham Barton's safe that way. And whether that is the play tackle, and maybe he can do that right, I don't think it's his best spot. I think you agree with me there. I do. I evaluate him as a


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think he's a guard as well, right? And, and they need that. You know, again, it, eh, you know, one, they need a little everything. They, you know, they lost their center from last year. He's not there, right? You know, Connor Williams, who's still dealing with an injury and rehabbing that.


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[Assistant] Alright, they lost their guard hunt to the Panthers. Hundred million dollar man. Hundred million dollar man, right. I mean, you know, left tackle Tyron Armstead has been hurt a lot, right. It has got to be O-line here. You know, Dolphins are one of those teams, you know,


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[Assistant] I, I, when I first started the process, I was like, would they trade up to little to make sure they get the tackle they want? Uhm, but I also was like, dad, I don't know. They got enough things to, to worry about on their football team. Just stay there. I want to fall down.


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[Assistant] He kind of fits both as far as edge, D-tackle. I can look at him more as a D-tackle, but I certainly think he could play on the edge in certain defenses and formations and personnel sets or whatever else there. I love Darius Robinson. I think he is a


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[Assistant] Awesome football player. No Aaron Donald as we know there, right? You know, I know they got, uh, their kid last year, um,


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[Assistant] Kobe Turner, right? Yea, who had a really awesome year. I thought about past rusher here, right? I thought about maybe would they go Jared verse, right? I certainly thought about that. Or maybe even a Chop Robinson, something there.


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[Assistant] I feel like Robinson, Darius Robinson is a little bit of a notch up for me as a player compared to those guys. And I look at it and go, wait, he can kind of do D end and D tackle and almost fit two needs in one for this football team. Uh, I kind of went that way.


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[Assistant] Right. Not your pass rusher extraordinaire. No, but he can brawl a little more. Exactly right. I mean, I think he could play three technique and be awesome there. And then he's going to be able to two gap. Like he'd probably be the best two gapping D lineman you're going to see in this draft. Because once, like you said, heavy handed, when he gets his hands on people and his arms are straightened out,


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[Assistant] I don't give a shit who you are. You're, you're going for a ride on the Darius Robinson cartwheel. He's going to throw you around a little bit. That's where he's made for that. And they asked their guys to do some of that stuff there.


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[Assistant] Marius Mims, I love Marius Mims. You know, I thought about the Oklahoma kid maybe just because I know Marius Mims has a little bit of the injury concern, right? We talked about this though. But he's just better. He is. He's better. Agreed. I mean, Marius Mims, for me, past protection wise, like ready, day one. It's two people. He's phenomenal. He really is.


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[Assistant] I saw the improvement of the year, uh, huge body, right? They believe that up in New England. I just think it's a big need there. I think it's a no-brainer.


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[Assistant] This is, it's a less drastic transition than, let's just say, dribbling with your left hand. Right. I mean, it really is. We sometimes, I think, make a little bit too big of a deal about it, right, where it's like,


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[Assistant] No, the really good ones, these guys we're talking about right here, they don't, it's, it's not that big of an adjustment to shuffle right or, oh no, I gotta go to the other side and shuffle left. It's not as big as I think sometimes everybody makes it out to be.


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[Assistant] I thought about pass rusher here too. I did. I think that was one area I looked at.


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[Assistant] Uh, I looked, you know, there's no safety or anything like that that jumps out to you. Too early for a center. They have nothing at center. But it's early. I know. Like nothing. You know, again, like the kid from West Virginia or Jackson Powers Johnson, right?


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[Assistant] I was on, I thought about them. I did. You know, ultimately, I think they're kind of like mid-second round guys, I think, you know? Right? Somewhere around 38, we start to see those two guys go, and I just went, ehh.


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[Assistant] Tackle. Hey, you do that. Maybe you get a guy here that's your, your starting left, starting right, whatever you want to do there. Either way, they got to figure out what they want to do with Tyler Smith. I guess they're going to move him to tackle. I'm expecting, right? The weak link of the team last year on the all, on the line was steel at right tackle. He was an issue.


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[Assistant] And not only one, do they just need more bodies and players altogether. Like you're saying, I just didn't see the interior guy that made sense there with the value of that pick right there. So that's where I went with Tyler Guy and who, who I like and is extremely athletic. And another guy I would go needs work in the run game and stuff like that. But pass protection wise, I think he's pretty damn close to being ready to go.


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[Assistant] I, the, the Packers are another team that when you, when you start to look at their roster and you break them down, you start to go, they're really well put together football team.


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[Assistant] I, you know, I thought I, another team that I thought about online, I looked at it.


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[Assistant] But I don't think they're desperate on online. It's one of the better old lines in football. Let's just state that clearly. One needs to fall. Like if Graham Barton just fell into their lap, that's their type. Sure. Maybe. Right, right. I mean, I could see that. Okay. You know, and I saw some people that had them like,


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[Assistant] You know, taking a tackle or, or doing stuff like that. I mean, again, with the way mine fell out, there's no tackle to me that makes sense there, right? Uhm, and you, you look at it, I,


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[Assistant] Corner secondary player. I thought about Terion Arnold, right? Would that make sense here? They got Cassine Nixon, right? They got


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[Assistant] Uh, Stokes, still there, who's a first round pick from Georgia. They of course got Jair Alexander, right? You know, I know they got Xavier McKinney, I got that.


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[Assistant] You look at their team, they don't need a ton. And Cooper Dejean can kind of be like you said, that I can be safety, I can be strong safety, I can be in the nickel, in a certain situation. I can cover Sam Laporta. Exactly, he's going to be able to cover tight ends. Right. You know, so.


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[Assistant] Hawkinson, Laporta, he's gonna have to, he'll be able to man up. Right. Six games a year are those three. So I, I certainly can see that. And uhm, smart football player, really damn good athlete. Just don't want him outside playing corner. You kind of want him in those positions we talked about there. Uhm, yeaah, Cooper Dejean, Packers.


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[Assistant] What do you, you know, I don't, I certainly seem to be in the negatives or more low on him than others. Uhm, it kind of fell this way naturally for me.


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[Assistant] I think that Jared verse would be another guy that, you know, a little bit all over the place where some people might like him in the mid teens or whatever, you know, but I think there is a group of people that think he's right around this range too. And it kind of just happened that way. But I mean, they need somebody. Shaq Barrett, gone, right? You know, Jay Sparrow.


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[Assistant] They've tried this a lot. The Houston Kid. The Houston Kid, Logan, right? Yes. You know, hasn't really worked that way either, and he's kind of like a hybrid DN tackle. They need a true pass rusher, and that's where I think Jared Verset fits in real well.


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[Assistant] I mean, this is one I went back and forth with, right? I mean, Terry on Arnold. Here's what I'm not. I don't think Terry on Arnold should be drafted here. Okay. I'm just going to be playing plain and simple, but I know I'm in the minority there. I know. And I know from


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[Assistant] Too many people that it sounds like he's going in the first round. Right? So you look at them.


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[Assistant] And you go corner is a position they truly do need to address, right? There, there's, there's not a lot there as far as Arizona and looking at it. And I do look at him and go, he's a safe, smart guy with a guy like Jonathan Gannon, who does a lot of different stuff on defense.


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[Assistant] You know, they, they certainly need a nickel type of football player. And again, I think just smart, good football player that fits what I would think is the Monte Asenford.


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[Assistant] I hear you. And you know, I almost put Kool-Aid with a team here down at the end, but I, I ended up not going against it, but I, yeah, I certainly could see them being a part of that conversation there.


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[Assistant] As far as what they think of them as a receiver, right? That was one of the things that when I left my receiving rankings, I got a lot of feedback on that one.


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[Assistant] He has off the field. He has an injury concern, right? I don't think it's like a huge one, but I know I've learned that from multiple teams that there is an off the field injury thing there.


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[Assistant] Like people aren't going to be feeling comfortable there. So this is where I think he can kind of fall to, right? Uhm, but yeaah, I was made aware of that. I'm going to say about...


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[Assistant] I came in here one day and told my people, I've had people reach out to me, say there's an off the field thing. And I told them, and they're like, oh, you always liked the guys with the off the field problems. That's the thing. Like Matt Casey and Pete made fun of me.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I just like that, right? But then I came to find out as I text people back, like, what's the deal? It seems like there's an injury thing there, a little bit of a concern there. And I think that's why, you know, of course that's why I got him falling down.


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[Assistant] I-I-I-I would think so, right? Don't know if they'll get this lucky, maybe. Yeah, I know. Maybe. I know. And, you know, yeah, I mean, if it's not him, I mean, would they go pass rusher, or do they go to the Adonai Mitchell? That's what I think, yes. Something like that. Right, it's all in play there.


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[Assistant] Pretty well built. This just brought the only spot that I look at to go, okay, they could use an upgrade here.


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[Assistant] Right? You know, he's a totally different animal than Aiden Hutchinson, like you said. And yeah, you can play him on the weak side and go, Hey, you don't have to worry about the run game as much and fly off field and get after it, right? Cause some disruption and that's an area of their football team that needs an improvement. I, you know,


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[Assistant] Other positions I thought about with them, like, right? I mean, you know...


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[Assistant] De-tackle, they're stacked at de-tackle. I don't think there's a corner there that makes sense for them. Plus, they did a lot in the free agency with corner, where I don't think they're desperate to address this need in the first round. The Lions are a team that I certainly sat here and thought they could trade out of the first round. Certainly.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be shocked. The Lions fans will be pissed off, uh, to sit there and wait for that pick and then not have them do it. But yeah, there's not a lot of desperate needs on this Lions football team.


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[Assistant] Right. So I think it's a little bit more of a look at the future and you know, a little bit something as far as dependability to go here.


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[Assistant] Another team though I look at and went, you know, they could trade out here. They, they could, you know, offensive line, certainly they need some bodies there.


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[Assistant] Exactly. You know, so that's where I kind of go like, I don't know if they're that desperate to get the old lineman there and I don't know if anybody really meets that need right there for what they really need.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mitchell's got big time potential. He's not my favorite guy. You know that. Too much coasting. Too much coasting, right? But there is big time potential, the body, the speed, the measurables, the numbers, all of that are definitely first round worthy.


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[Assistant] Athletic dude, I know that's, Shanahan likes him. I thought about, I mean again, the 49ers.


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[Assistant] This is what happens when you're really close to people. You don't talk about those things. You don't talk about it at all. And I don't want to talk about it and I don't want to know about it. And my friend I think is avoiding me anyways because he doesn't want to say something and then have me kind of like figure it out, you know, by knowing my friend. So I thought about Jordan Morgan from Arizona.


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[Assistant] I certainly thought about that. I just went with the guy, like, I thought Jordan Morgan, he can play left tackle, I think he's more of a guard.


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[Assistant] I went with the guy that I thought is just more of the true tackle in Rosengarden. That's why I did it. But I thought about Kool-Aid here.


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[Assistant] Because there is, they do need some secondary help. I think Travarius wore this the last year of his contract, I believe. And there's somebody else, if I can remember off the top of my head, which I can, who's also on the last year of their deal in the secondary, where I thought about Kool-Aid, but I just thought, man, all offensive line needs to be addressed, and I'm gonna go with Roger Rosengarten.


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[Assistant] I've had people definitely ask me, do you think Nate Wiggins goes...


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[Assistant] In the end of round one, right? So there's definitely that thought out there of...


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[Assistant] Will he be that, right? And I think between the size, like you talked about, and then, hey, there's, th-th-this, to me, this is where he was different than Quinn. Quinn Yaw Mitchell competed in your face every play, and he doesn't win on anybody or anything. Nate Wiggins got a little bit of like, hey, he's awesome, and he's got a lot of great plays, right?


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[Assistant] But I think the other thing too, when you watch Nate Wiggins, this is why you gotta watch games.


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[Assistant] You know, he got a little bit I think of, hey, let's just attack the other corner.


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[Assistant] Right? We're not going to attack you. We're just going to go to the other side. And he got some free passes there. And I think if you look at some of the balls that weren't thrown his way, like


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[Assistant] You know, that was one of the things that jumped out to me where I was like, oh, this guy's open here. They're just don't want to go there because it's Nate Wiggins and they're going, this is easier, but here's an out route that's open against Nate Wiggins. Here's a comeback that's open against Nate Wiggins. Again, there's still a lot of good. I'm just telling you why I think some teams are a little bit like.


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[Assistant] He's not a definite, you know, top 22 pick or something like that. Any chance it's wide receiver.


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[Assistant] I don't disagree with you that that would be their type. I mean, really good route runner can do that.


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[Assistant] But so yes, all those thoughts went through my head, right? And then I was like, I even thought about


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[Assistant] You know, I think it's a, again, another team where of course it's, it's pretty well built, right? I don't, uh, Oh line. I know that's, you know, maybe something you could look at there. I don't think that makes sense. And then D tackle, if I had a thing about their team towards the end of last year is just, you wish they, Hey, if Chris Jones isn't in there, you worry about them, right? And Hey, we're getting up there in age with all these guys. I mean,


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[Assistant] You know, Tershawn Wharton's no young spring chicken, but you know Chris Jones and Mike Pennell's been forever. Exactly right. So they got to get younger and some better depth there. And yeah, Jerzan can, you know, he can stop the run and he's got true pass rush ability on the interior side. So it's a great spot for him. I like to see that happen for the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] I thought about Enis Rake-Straw a little bit with some of these teams at the end, right? But I just felt like it's not a first rounder. He'll be somewhere in the top 10, 12 picks.


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[Assistant] I don't think he's a first rounder to your point, but yea, to me, he was, he was, as I said on the pod, I said that we did linebackers a little last week. I said that that would be my first pick off the board.


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[Assistant] He's the only guy that's a true middle linebacker that you can trust and can kind of do it all there. But yeah, I think that's more like mid second probably. No way running back or linebacker, right? The tight end thing is definitely just one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then, you know, I think like, you know, you look at D-Tackle too.


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[Assistant] I don't think there's, I think the big thing there is we know it's Chu. I don't think there's any doubt that Byron Murphy and Darius Robinson go.


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[Assistant] Does Jerzon go? I think he sneaks in. Yea, I know, there's a little bit, like, he's right in that range, right? And I think so too, because again, big people like that that can move like that, there are not a lot of them out there in the world. He played some running back in high school. I heard that, that's insane.


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[Assistant] Did I second guess this? Wait, I don't want to be holding to, you know, what I've seen so much. I know that I've seen 10 mocks that have this guy here, but who the hell says any of them are right? Right? You try to take away all that. Here's the other thing that I found interesting too. And I texted this to the group the other day. You know, when I really started to do it, I didn't have 32 first round grades.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I had like 26 or 7, I think, right? And you know, you know, maybe one or two guys right on the edge there.


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[Assistant] You know, as you look at that, and I think that's why I ended up having some of these defensive guys and maybe even some of the old linemen go a little earlier just because, again, I think there's a premium on them. And then those two positions, I think it falls off pretty quick.


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[Assistant] To where teams are going to be pretty antsy to get their hands on one of them.


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[Assistant] And draft was of course the big part of the car and he didn't want to talk about it. He was like, I don't want to talk about the draft. It's a crap shit.


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[Assistant] We've really, you know, converted him. He's gonna, but he outsources it.


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[Assistant] Well, well, no, no, you gotta, you gotta, no, you gotta, to me, but I, Lee, what I'm seeing, seeing here is you, you can't cancel the plan, right? It's a friend, unless you feel like, Hey, this person's so cool that they're cool with me canceling it.


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[Assistant] You gotta infuse just, hey, we're gonna go to a party together. We're going somewhere together, and we're gonna have a great time. And then they get there.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe you go to a bar downtown or something like that, that's got the draft on. So yeah, there's a little bit of everything there, but I think that's the game plan. You have to have a drinking game involved. You gotta get it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, right. You know, try at any angle you can. But yeaah, we would like the update here, Lee. So please let us know how you handle this and how this all works out, alright? It's very important to us.


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[Assistant] Me and Ahmed Farid are gonna be here for it all. You know, we got free agency. We're gonna break it all down. The draft, the rankings of positions. Of course, we're gonna unpack it all. Hit subscribe, get to my free agency reactions, 2024 draft rankings and more. Thanks again for watching. Peace out, homies. See you soon.


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[Assistant] Professor Legasov, if you mean to suggest the Soviet state is somehow responsible for what happened, then I must warn you, you are trading on dangerous money.


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[Assistant] Why are reactors 1 and 2 still operating at all? My friend was a security guard that night and, uh, she's now dying. And we've all heard about the firemen. And now you want us to swim underneath a burning reactor. Do you even know how contaminated it is?


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[Assistant] I don't have an exact number. You don't need an exact number to know if it will kill us. But you can't even tell us that.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, what's up everybody, it's Chris Simms on Button, Ahmed Farid is here as usual, we're not eating pizza, I do like pizza every now and then. Me too. Actually, Sunday was a day where I kinda, like,


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[Assistant] I don't eat pizza nearly as much as I used to. Growing up in Jersey, you know, hey, it's, it's...


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[Assistant] You know, Connecticut, they like their pizza too. It's pretty good, right? I think it's a little overhyped. It's a little overhyped, okay? I'll say that as being a New Jersey guy, alright?


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[Assistant] It is expensive, I'll give them that. It is expensive, and it is a lot of, what I think always gets me too is I see so many places where I was like, this place is in Italian, and they're famous for their pizza. Yeah. Right? And I'm just like, I don't know, I don't think I could put this, it's good pizza.


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[Assistant] But this is like some Irish bar pizza, and this is like a Jersey Italian piece, and I'm gonna take that over it. Right? People get so...


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[Assistant] No, well neither does my son. He doesn't either, actually. He, every now and then, like him and his friends. But they like it because there's like other things they can get at Domino's, right? They can get wings and all that type of stuff as well.


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[Assistant] But, like, how often do you eat pizza, really? Like, I can't eat it like I used to. It doesn't agree with me. Like, if I eat where I'm the kind of guy you give me a traditional


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[Assistant] Eight slice pizza, right? I mean in my prime, I would eat six pieces, like no doubt about it. But I've gotten to the age where not only do I hit like a carbohydrate lull after, it does upset my stomach, all the bread and the cheese. You have this problem?


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[Assistant] I started to eat less pizza in my life. Yeah, yeah, I'm done with those days. I had a Sunday night this week where we ordered some pizza and I was like, alright, I'll do it. I'd kinda eaten good the whole day and I didn't need a lot for dinner, right? So I was like, alright, yeah, I'll do it.


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[Assistant] I did that and, uh, I didn't overdo it because when I overdo it, I wake up in the middle of the night and my stomach hurts.


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[Assistant] You know, that's where you gotta self-scout thyself a little bit. You've heard what I've said in, you know, during the season, all of that. I think he played overweight a little bit at Alabama that last year.


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[Assistant] You know, I know in Houston it was get down there, lean up, let's just be explosive and get off the ball. They saw like moldable clay in Houston. They saw moldable clay in Houston where they knew, wait, this guy can get like this and he's got it in him, right? And they knew that, hey, he was a little too thick.


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[Assistant] That last year at Alabama, let alone maybe something that I didn't put enough stock into is that he didn't get to play a style of football maybe that was totally conducive to him, right?


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[Assistant] Bend or explosion off the ball. I was a little not sure. I was not sure. I was like, wait, is this guy going to try to play this as a


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[Assistant] I think it's that, and I think that's what's hard. Right, exactly right, and then, you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, being in a, being in a spot and that's where this is awesome. And that's where I think, you know, we see guys every, every now and then pop from a different spot or.


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[Assistant] Ooh, he was drafted in the third round and now he's one of the best pass rushers. How did that happen? Yeah, I think it's a little bit of the scheme. Wait, he was asked to play head up against a tackle his whole college career. This is the first time he gets to line up wide and they just go, go get the quarterback. Don't do anything else. Don't worry about too gapping or reading the play.


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[Assistant] We got some of that in this conversation with this one, we do. But like Will McDonald, who I had as the fourth pass rusher last year, he was like that, right?


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[Assistant] But I saw enough bend and then the pure physical strength. He was kind of doing what Will Anderson did.


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[Assistant] But to me, almost at a higher level, as far as playing head up on the tackle, almost a 3-4 scheme and then controlling people that way, I was like, man, this guy is really strong. I mean, he is pliable and flexible and bendable and do all that. But you know, again, like we see.


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[Assistant] Uh, Will Anderson got into a spot, not only the right scheme fit and all that, but, you know, they, they recognized what he needed to do with his game and his body, and he raised it, and I definitely missed that one.


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[Assistant] Right. Like them a lot during the year. I kept looking at them going, damn, I mean, the Steelers got another guy, another guy that they found, right, like an Alex Highsmith in a middle round where you go, gosh, he's got the physical traits and the look to be a really good damn pass rusher. Keep going. Is there anybody else you're gonna say that?


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[Assistant] Right, it was a little different, like Luke Van Ness was on the edge, but they played him like a de-tackle at times, they asked him to do, it was kind of a hybrid, right, that way. We just talked about Will McDonald, he was kind of a hybrid as well. They weren't that talented on the front of the defensive line at Iowa State, so they were like, wait, you're the most freaky guy on our team.


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[Assistant] Play d-tackle, play defense, and play five technique. Try to do everything for us, right? So, that hurts the player at times. This year, I feel like we have true edge guys. I wasn't sitting here going, well, this guy's really a d-tackle who's playing d-end or a d-end that's playing d-tackle, whatever. You know, for the most part, got to see these guys in the position you'll see them in in the NFL.


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[Assistant] A lot of the times, right, presents itself. It's not gonna be one where it's like, oh, I found a diamond in the haystack. Everybody's got them in the sixth round and I'm gonna draft them late in the second and surprise everybody, right? No, it's like, what works as a pass rusher in the NFL?


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[Assistant] Freaky freaks coming off the edge who are explosive, strong as hell, and have length, right? You know, that's the big thing. I mean, again, I look at last year, I got the 25 sacks, the 25 sack leaders in front of me right now, right? It's even more if you just take it by some of the years where you look at it and go, I mean, of the 25,


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[Assistant] Sack leaders in football last year, and there's some D tackles involved in that as well. But I mean, listen, you go to the names and you go TJ Watt, Josh Allen, Khalil Mack, right? Michael Parsons, Miles Garrett, Montez Swett, right? Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeau, Bradley Chubb, Hassan Riddick.


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[Assistant] Uh, Nick Bosa, Carl Aftis, Leonard Floyd, Chris Jones, Trayvon Walker are all first-rounders, right? And they're all in the top 25 of the sacks last year in football, right? So that's the big thing. There's traits here that are obvious and that you need and that


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[Assistant] You know, again, of course the size, right, and, and, you know, any time you're getting kind of under 240 or 245 as an edge rusher, you're just starting to go, ooh, I don't know, is he big enough, is he strong enough, right? There's gonna be that question. Arm length, right?


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[Assistant] You know, you start to get under 32 or under 32 and a half. People are like, oh, I don't know how good of a pass rush you are because again, these are tried and trued formulas here. You look at like, you know, the top 50 sack people from the last five years, right? There's, you know, going to be maybe one or two with not the arm length we're talking about.


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[Assistant] Boom, I hit you, I got my arm on you before you could get to me and now I got control. I got underneath your pads and you're going backwards, right? There's that aspect.


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[Assistant] There's the aspect of the smaller guy too, right? Where...


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[Assistant] The, here it is, the big left tackle, Quiddy Pay, right, who we like coming out of Michigan a few years ago. He's coming out there, woo, he's explosive, oh my gosh, he's rocked up. He's coming around the edge, oh boom, oh man, Trent Williams, long arms, they punched him in the shoulder, and whoa, it slowed him down and changed his...


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[Assistant] Over 166 in that range, people start to go, ugh, I don't know, is he explosive enough to be, you know, a big time edge rusher? And if he's not...


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[Assistant] Or if it's a little higher than that, then there's gotta be something else that's elite or brings, you know...


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[Assistant] Or, or, or, or makes the player good in another area to make up for that one area, right? And I think that's what we're seeing first rounders because we go, wait, these are freaks, we know this, blah, blah, blah. Listen, pass rushers, the great pass rushers of all time, they're, they're, they're not diamonds in the rough, right? Lawrence Taylor, everyone was like, I've never seen somebody.


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[Assistant] Well, what are we missing? What are you missing? What are we missing, right? What are we missing about, like, you look at the list, right, the last few years in sacks and go, why did we miss on these third or fourth rounders? So most are still first rounder studs, you get that, but for the ones that do slip through the cracks, why?


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[Assistant] Like, you know, like a Matt Judon on the list here, or a Daniel Hunter, right? Or, you know, even Zedarius Smith in years before this, right?


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[Assistant] I think here, here was one, one, like you said, if you don't have the, you gotta have something elite about your trait, right? Something there. And Gakue's speed and first step.


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[Assistant] You know, we're off the charts good, right? So that, and then he found a scheme fit and that, that worked great, right? All that. Here's the thing that jumps out to me, I think a little bit when you get into it.


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[Assistant] Is, I feel like a little with the Zaria Smiths, the Matt Judons, the Preston Smiths, the Deniko Autry, right? We're not giving the...


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[Assistant] We're not giving the non-sexy guys enough love, right? We're always looking for, oh my gosh, the explosion, the first step, the ten yard split, all of that, right?


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[Assistant] And I don't know if we're giving the guy like a Judon or a Zedaria Smith.


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[Assistant] Where again, a lot of these top pass rushes we're gonna talk about today are all in the 250 range, right? A lot of your speed superior edge rushers have been in the 250 range.


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[Assistant] You know, Khalil Mack, Bossa might have been just a little over, TJ Watt, Lawrence Taylor, whatever, right? That guy, Michael Parsons, it's like 250, it's 255, it's 258, it's 249, it's right around there, right?


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[Assistant] But what I'm saying here is I don't know if we're given enough credit to the...


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[Assistant] Okay, maybe he's not quite as explosive, but damn he's big and strong and physical and then has the long arm. So it might not be sexy evaluating here.


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[Assistant] The Matthew Dons, the Darius Smiths of the world. The Harold Landry, who was a top 16 sack player last year, right? I don't know if we're giving...


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[Assistant] The pure power part, the strength part, maybe the credit it deserves a little bit. I think that's the big thing I really look at with the guys we missed. Or an elite trait, like a Daniel Hunter. I hated his film coming out at LSU. I thought, oh, he plays too soft, he never really attacks it, right?


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[Assistant] He did have incredible length, incredible long arms, right? He had some elite traits that way. And then the other thing that comes into play too is, you know, some of these guys are like,


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[Assistant] They've never been pushed. I'm always the freak. I'm the man. And then they get to the NFL and a coach is like, hey!


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[Assistant] You gotta do this harder or better, right? And then he's also in a room with a bunch of other alphas who are kind of freaky too and they're like, he's looking at them going, damn, they're looking at me at the corner of my eye because of my effort and my lack of physicality there. I better buck up Bart, man up here a little bit, right?


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[Assistant] And I think that sometimes brings these guys who are maybe didn't have that hot poker, that fire, that, that little element of we do this every day. We're going to dissect this. We're going to get into every detail. The coach is going to be on your ass. I'm going to be all over you as your teammate player, blah, blah, blah. And look, you got.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, I think here what we got more here is gonna be more of what we're talking about today is the 250 type. We are. We got some other guys here that we're gonna name that are not gonna make my top four. Right?


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[Assistant] That can be what we're talking about, that bigger guy, but no, as far as the top five is considered, or top four that we're gonna hit on here mostly, it's more of the two mid-250s explosive sexy type.


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[Assistant] Right? And, uh, I dunno, and again, they have a lot of the traits that we talk about that make sense to put them there. Alright, so top four because you chickened out at five, you had too many competing for the number five spot. It was hard. It really was hard.


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[Assistant] And again, the classes, the group of other guys where I go, ooh, I really like these guys. It's gonna be a little bit about what you need as a defense. Do I need a strong side defense end? Do I need a weak side defense end? You know, am I gonna ask my guy to do some two gapping and stuff every now and then, right? It's gonna be a little bit of that. Overall though, I will say as a class, I really liked the class. I really did.


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[Assistant] Like I said with quarterbacks, like I said with wide receivers a little bit, right? Where I came away going,


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[Assistant] Okay, you know, not everybody's a superstar, but like I told you before the pot, I came away going, man, I'd like this guy on my team. He can play, he can play, he can start in the NFL, right? He might not get drafted to the third round, but he's a starting NFL caliber football player, right? That's what I found that, you know, I really liked about this class right here. The, the top tier guys, I'm not going to lie.


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[Assistant] I guess I had been built up in my brain a little bit by people and talking to people. They weren't as freaky take over the game maybe as I was expecting. Still really good, don't get me wrong. Still all the guys we're gonna talk about are


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[Assistant] You know, first round talents, no doubt about that. But it wasn't like there was one player where you're like, man, they just destroyed the game. It wasn't like I was watching Jadevion Clowney that year and going like, man, if he gets single block, he wins every time.


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[Assistant] Teams have to double team him the whole game because he just ruins the game, right? It was not like that. Or like Khalil Mack. Now I know he was at Buffalo or whatever else, but you know, I'm just thinking of names that popped in my head where you just went, or I can remember Von Miller back in the day.


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[Assistant] Right? Cause I was just getting out of the, uh, I paid attention to him a little bit. Was starting to get into the hobby of watching film where you just turned it on. You went, holy shit. Like he's.


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[Assistant] Dallas Turner, Alabama. I don't think that's gonna surprise anybody. I mean, I think everybody's got Dallas Turner probably in their top or top two pass rushers, right? We've heard him number eight to Atlanta like forever now. It makes sense. I mean, it does. They need that position. He's that type of guy, that type of talent, right?


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[Assistant] Potential to be had that's still not there yet. A player that I think is growing and that I like, right? He's not like matured and well-schooled and, you know, detailed on every little thing. He's still a little raw.


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[Assistant] But, like we talk about, the first round and especially this position, what's important? Elite Traits. And this guy is Elite Traits Galore. I mean, that's the biggest thing. His speed, Elite Trait. His bend, Elite Trait. His length,


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[Assistant] Is elite. Okay. So that's where it's really impressive. And the guy.


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[Assistant] It does it easy a little bit. A little too easy at times, where you're going like, wait, is, is he really running that fast? Like, it just didn't look like...


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[Assistant] Oh, well, I mean, everybody else in the D-line is, uh, a yard and a half behind him, right? You look and you go, wait, that other guy looked like he got a good jump over there on the other, Chris Broswaw, I like him.


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[Assistant] And then you look and you go, well Dallas turned his yard to half in front of him and didn't look fast. Cause it's, he's so freaky athletic and he's a little bit of a long strider and he's long in general, right? He's very high cut.


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[Assistant] Right, he's one of those where you either have to have a trained eye or you gotta watch him run down a few people a few times and then you start to go, oh wait, that was a running back who ran to the other side of the field and he caught him from behind.


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[Assistant] Two pass rush moves. It's go around the edge with my speed and my bend, or I just basically run into you and try to power rush you. That's what he does. He's not, he's still a novice with hand use.


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[Assistant] You don't see spin moves, right? You don't see a lot of like, oh, I'm gonna shake you and then try to get on the edge and do all that. He does a little of the fake outside go inside move. Exactly right. He'll go, exactly right. The jab step, the stab step, right? Threatens you up field, puts his foot in the ground and kind of comes around and goes that way, right? Excuse me. But that's where,


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[Assistant] You know, again, there's aspects of that that I really like. Because I know those are things he's gonna get the NFL with the guys in the locker room and other defense ends. They're gonna teach him hand fighting, how to do that. Hey, do a spin move. You, with as fast as you can go up field and your long arms, your spin move, you're gonna get on the edge.


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[Assistant] So there's some things there that I love in the rawness of the football player, right? Speed to power is real. The ability to get low is special.


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[Assistant] Right? There's, there's few guys like that can get as low as he can with that shoulder from the ground and the legs outside the framework of the body and he can still run around the edge at close to top speed doing it. Yeaah. You know, to, to me is, is, is rare. You don't see it a lot.


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[Assistant] Like we started the conversation off. The guys we're talking about that are the top pass rushers in football, they're dudes. They're dudes.


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[Assistant] There are guys that, again, in the locker room, it's just like, he's the biggest, fastest motherf***er on the locker room. We don't want to mess with him, right?


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[Assistant] That's what that guy is. Don't always look at it and go, like, whoa, he doesn't put good hand placement here, or, you know, sometimes he, you know, takes the wrong gap in his run. Like, again, those are coachable things. It's, this is a position of raw ability freakiness, right?


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[Assistant] And that's where he's got it. I mean, again, it's an easy 247.


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[Assistant] Like you saw him there. It's broad shoulders, it's long arms. When you see him in person, it just screams athlete. I didn't need to see.


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[Assistant] Like, I did not just need to see Dallas Turner and somebody tell me, ooh, he's a special athlete. He's one of those guys that's kind of rare where you see him and you go.


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[Assistant] I've never seen too many people built like that. That square of shoulders, that big and long and strong of arms, a neck like that, and wait, your waist is that skinny? That's crazy. And then your ass and thighs are that big again?


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[Assistant] Off the charts, right? That's the big thing. You know, and the weight, again, I don't think it'll ever be much different. I bet you in two, three years he'll be a more jacked


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[Assistant] Uh, efficient 255 or 256 as he gets older and gets in the NFL life, but the wingspan of 83, right? You know, 446 at 247, the vertical jump, it all speaks to the explosion, and it's easy like we talked about. The strength is, I think, again, the ability to set the edge in the run game.


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[Assistant] Right? The one thing I kept looking at is, oh, okay, he handles his own against tight ends. Like, tight ends have no chance against him. That's great. Wait, is he gonna be able to, can he man up against a tackle all the time? Can he do that? Well, definitely can. No doubt about it. He's got no problem in those areas. Right?


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[Assistant] He again, like Will Anderson, he, he was not always given the green light to pass rush. He's got a lot of games where you go the majority of the snaps. He's on barely on the outside edge of the tackle and they ask him to.


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[Assistant] Grab the tackle and read the play. And then, oh, it's a pass, now you gotta rush the passer, right? So that's not conducive to what he's gonna be asked to do on a regular basis.


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[Assistant] He's being asked to do exactly right. And that's where, yes, you know, there's that, that's the Nick Saban defense. And maybe that's not what I didn't take into account enough with Will Anderson, but with all that stuff too, he's phenomenal at it. I mean, how many times did you just see him do this and he holds the guy there and they can't move him. And you're like, wow, this guy's 320 in front of him.


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[Assistant] They're running right at Dallas Turner, and they're not moving him. Like Dallas Turner's there. He's gonna disengage and try to get off and get an arm in on the tackle, right? Or...


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[Assistant] How many times I saw him just like do the Khalil Mack inside stab where, you know, he's running the speed pass rush and then he takes that inside arm and hits people there that way, like that version of the bull rush or whatever. I mean, that to me...


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[Assistant] Is special, the way he does that, right? And, uh, yes, he to me is a guy that's going to thrive even more in the NFL, like his old teammate, Will Anderson, right? Where he just gets to a football team, they go get wide and rush the passer.


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[Assistant] And that's all he's gonna have to worry about and, you know, in Alabama, hey, they're worried about running quarterbacks and there's more different styles of offenses and things like that. A lot of the times he just wasn't given the, like I said, the green light to just go attack.


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[Assistant] Yeah, listen, it's not as wowing as maybe you would expect, right? Like I said, I think it's a little bit of like, hey, this is a guy that's got all the traits, right? He's smart, he's freaky athletic.


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[Assistant] And you have limited plays where you see him put it all together and work the right way. But these are the guys again, where.


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[Assistant] You go, man, we've seen guys like this in the past where we've done all the same thing and then they get in the NFL and the game's simplified and they get taught a few things and all of a sudden they just explode as the human...


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[Assistant] As a, as a human wrecking ball. So is there a little, a little more projection with this number one wrecking? There definitely is. Definitely a little bit more projection, I think, with this. Knowing what works, right? And then...


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[Assistant] Yeah, a little bit of like, hey, I've seen these kind of guys, they usually thrive, and he's got all the things I would like to believe that is going to take him to the next level. Right? And I think that's the biggest thing. Right? Like I'll say, the guy we're going to talk about at number two,


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[Assistant] I'm not so sure isn't the better player right now this second, okay, but I don't know if I necessarily agree that I think he's gonna be the best pro and made to be a sack artist off the edge and a guy who can get 15 sacks a year. So that's the big thing and before we get to him, alright, one more thing.


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[Assistant] Like I said, he's raw. He's an awesome player.


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[Assistant] He is gritty and tough and does that. The Michigan game, yeaah, that's not the game he's looking to play in, right? That's again where he's, he's gonna be more fit for the NFL. Oh, Mahomes is dropping back. Mahomes is gonna hold the ball for four seconds because he's gonna do that. Josh Allen is gonna hold it. You're gonna get a real chance to work around the edge and do that, right? You're not drafting him to go,


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[Assistant] Hey, we think he could stop the run on second and six. We're going to take him a number eight because he can stop the run. That's why we're doing it. No, you know, if Atlanta takes him at eight, they're going to be like, we want them because we got to get people to get after Baker Mayfield and Derek Carr and Bryce Young and we


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[Assistant] Brian Burns. Not right now, but. Right. Type of player we're talking about. Hassan Reddick.


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[Assistant] Right, where I just go, it's gonna get unlocked, and I'm too...


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[Assistant] I'm impressed with the traits, even though, and again, I know it hasn't always been all put together and we're just like, wow, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, right? College game is a little different, what he was asked to do a little different, he is a little raw, but I like that, he's young, he's moldable, and you know, the pure freakish


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[Assistant] La tu la tu. La tu la tu. Right. Gosh, I just, it's amazing how I feel like I say it good and then I get on here with the microphone in my face and I just choke to death. It's like the pressure of having to do it fast. Cause you don't want to do it too slow.


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[Assistant] Lay-ah-too-la-too. Yes, la-too. That's what I feel like I'm just gonna have to, uh, the old la-too. That's what I'm gonna talk about.


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[Assistant] Wow, do I like him, right? He is a lot of fun to watch. He's different a little bit than Dallas Turner. Like Dallas Turner, right? It's, it's, it's, it pops off the screen, one, of just how naturally athletic he is. Right away, you just go, ooh, whoa, whoa, 15.


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[Assistant] With the gold helmet on looks a little different than the other guys out here. Just the way he's built, the way he moves, right?


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[Assistant] He's extremely flexible, pliable, bendable, he's twitchy as hell, right? You know, his arm length is 32 fives and eights, but I look at it and go, damn, I don't know, his arms look long as hell on film.


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[Assistant] Getting off blocks, snatching def- uh, blockers out of the way to go make the tackle or do anything like that, right?


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[Assistant] It's, it's, like I said a little bit about Dallas Turner, it's an easy 259, 260 pounds, right? I met him in person.


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[Assistant] It's big, square, easy, naturally big person. If he wanted to be 270 in a month, he could probably do it easily, right? But he's going around being a great athlete. Look at that. Great legs, just like Dallas Turner, right? And then right away,


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[Assistant] You know, the biggest thing is you've just seen an elite athlete as soon as you turn on the film, right? The great feet, the great side to side movement.


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[Assistant] Whether it's, hey, they, they faked a run down the middle and now the quarterback's keeping it on the edge and he kinda shuffles down with the running back and then runs down the quarterback on the edge. Right? Or, hey, just the running back making a move and all that. He's incredibly bendable and awesome in space that way. Right? The change of direction is off the charts good.


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[Assistant] The upper body strength and the hands and all that, right? I mean, he's as good as anybody there is, let alone doing it.


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[Assistant] Great eyes in the backfield to do it. Knows where the ball carrier is at all times. Got a real nose for the football that way. Extremely, extremely strong.


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[Assistant] Tight ends, forget about it. He's going to embarrass them. You know, tackles, he does more than hold his own. He can hold his own and he can move them around a little bit as well. Right? He's phenomenal versus the run. You know, he really is. I mean, that's, that's where you first watch it and just go, wow.


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[Assistant] I know I'm supposed to be watching the pass rusher, but this guy disrupts and affects the whole game as you watch it with what he does in the run game as well. That's where he's awesome. So, really impressed by the specimen, the player, the instincts, everything about him.


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[Assistant] Right, all those things. I'm exactly, you're exactly right. That's what I, I, uh, I see too. Right? I mean, it's hard for me not to look at him, first off. Like, you don't see any signs


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[Assistant] If you're just watching of him going, oh, he's not physical, he's afraid, he's protecting this. There's a few plays where I go, ooh, he could have maybe stuck his face or head in there a little bit, right? And I think maybe he just goes, puts his chest in or whatever. And I go, oh, that's probably just cause he's a little wary of his neck and doesn't want to, you know, mess with that, which I understand, right?


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[Assistant] His story is a lot like the Jalen Phillips who got drafted, you know, was at UCLA and went to Miami. He's got the vice versa story here, right? Jalen Phillips went to UCLA, had a concussion issue, they told him not to play football anymore, he transferred to Miami, they let him play, and then boom, he's a first round pick, right?


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[Assistant] And he's thriving. He got hurt last year. He hurt his ACL. I know that. But Jalen Phillips is, for my money, I mean, you know, you heard me say this the first part of last year. He's one of the best pass rushers in football.


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[Assistant] I think Latu-Latu can be just like that. You know, that's where I look at it. And I wouldn't be totally, I wouldn't be concerned, you know, with the neck thing. I don't see anything from the last two years, and I didn't dive deep into last year. I just watched a little to kind of go, oh, okay, he was good last year too, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, and I think, again, I think you answered that already, right? I mean, you answered it. Again, this is where we don't dive too deep into this. Like, the power, you saw him manhandle, like, every tackle he played against, right? Especially in the run game, right?


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[Assistant] And especially tight ends. I mean that's what I'm big into. If you're gonna be an elite edge guy, right? Tight ends don't be blocking you. They have no chance. When I start to see a tight end like...


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[Assistant] Consistently beating you, right? I know there's gonna be the Dallas Turner versus Loveland in Michigan, right? And let's not forget, like, the guy you're talking about at tight end, Loveland's probably gonna be a first round pick next year. He's really damn good, right?


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[Assistant] But yea, you know, I have no problems with the power. Here's, I think his speed to power is very good. I think he's got good bed.


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[Assistant] It's good get-off. I'm not gonna say it's wow get-off. It's real good get-off, right? He's got incredible quicks like your man Aiden Hutchison too. He can win with


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[Assistant] So he's got that a little bit. Now what I wish I would have saw, and I think what he doesn't do enough, is like he has good bend. It's not Dallas Turner bend, but it's still damn good. And you see a few where I go, oh shit, that was incredible right there. So it makes me believe there's more there to be untapped, right? But I wish he used his speed rush more. That was, that was to me,


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[Assistant] You know, the one thing I wish, I just wish, I wish there was more just, he just trusted his more explosive speed rush from time to time.