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[Assistant] Fearless catching the ball in traffic, you know. He is an A.J. Brown, and then I wrote actually more of a Juju Smith Schuster type, where I think he's got not necessarily go deep like A.J. Brown, but work the underneath coverages, right? He is good at sticking his foot in the ground.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's not great explosion out of the brakes and all that. He's a little heavy footed is what I wrote.


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[Assistant] You know, but he is twitchy and quick, so he does get a little shake about him. Right? Uhm, but I did not think he played as fast as his 40 time. You know, got a good stiff arm.


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[Assistant] You know, gonna break through arm tackles, but, you know, doesn't do a ton after the catch.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say Rashi was around 6'2", right around there, maybe it was 6'1", 6'1", 2'04".


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[Assistant] Ran 4-5, but ran a 1-4-9 split. And you see that on film. Again, the ability to accelerate, right? That was real. And then, you know, the ability to catch the ball in traffic, jump balls, all of that. And to me, was the...


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[Assistant] He's the most physical wide receiver in the draft. He wanted to, he was not afraid of any type of contact. Lower in his head, linebacker, safeties, whatever, he brings it. He's a guy that I really like.


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[Assistant] I think probably not later to the second round, but good route runner, he's got great feel, and then has a little bit of that physicality, jump ball-ness.


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[Assistant] Like, unbelievable breaker of tackles after the catch. You know, it just has a great contact balance about him along with that size and route running that I really liked. He was one guy that just missed.


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[Assistant] Michael Jefferson from Louisiana, a taller guy at 6'3", right? But rare to see a 6'3 guy, not a burner, not like Quentin Johnson fast, but more hips and route running than Quentin, Quentin Johnson.


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[Assistant] So he was somebody that definitely popped to me. Alright, he's a guy I'd love to give some love to there. We hit on Mingo, we hit on Rashi Rice. Jaden Reed from Michigan State, another name I'd like to give some love to. You know, maybe not to the third round or something like that, but really had everything other than like,


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[Assistant] You're old school. You keep saying that, but I don't think there's any motivation there. You're exactly right. You're reading me right here.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing that separated him in my opinion. Now he doesn't have that overall explosive ability like we talked about. I mean it's a 29 inch vertical jump.


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[Assistant] 425 20 yard shuttle. Like I'm shocked by those numbers. Those are a little low. I ran a better 20 yard shuttle than he did.


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[Assistant] But there's one thing you do see. You know, incredible body control, the releases again, and unbelievable hips and route running.


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[Assistant] To where it might not be sexy or highlight show or any of that. But the kind of guy that you go, damn he had 8 for 80 today. He had 7 for 94. You know, he had 12 for 110. Where he just goes a lot of good route running. He's got no weakness to his game. Maybe not one great aspect.


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[Assistant] You know, goes back into knowing how to set people up, knowing how to contort his body to make it look like I'm going one way and then go another way. That's what I mean by the hips department, right? Like you've heard me say the Allen Iverson ability to do all that. That's where he had, you know, um, hands are good, had a few drops that I didn't like, um,


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[Assistant] But rips the ball out of the air. That's the other thing I'm big into and maybe didn't even make that point enough as we go here because you look at the great receivers in football, right? Deebo Samuel.


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[Assistant] He catches the ball over the middle. He never lets it get into his body, right? He catches it like a foot in front of his face because he wants to get it and rip it down so he can go and fly and get yards after the catch.


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[Assistant] This kid had that too. I did like that about him. So, he's a good all-around player, right? Just not a superstar, but I think somebody that goes late second, early third round.


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[Assistant] He's got some moments. He's a tough one. He was a tough one for me. I didn't love him a whole lot. Like, you see moments if you go, whoa, that's great speed. And I have other moments where I'd go, man, that's not a very good route or.


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[Assistant] You know, damn, you got tackled, you had all that space there, you know, so again, there's a spot for that guy for sure. Uh, he wasn't one of my favorites, but yeah, some of his good plays were like, oh man, that is sexy right there. And that's how I scout. I just look at the highlight plays, which is not as


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[Assistant] It's not shocking, shocking, I mean I guess it's shocking to hear like it was requested, but like this was kind of in the works. When you get a non-exclusive franchise tag, and as we've heard, the NFL had to correct his representation and tell the NFL,


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[Assistant] Not to talk about, not talk to a guy that's not a certified NFL agent, right, who was calling on his behalf, and not to negotiate.


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[Assistant] But just to gauge interest from teams and strike the conversations going there. Okay, so some of these were going on anyways. I mean...


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[Assistant] I know there's teams that, you know, he had this guy call and he's, he's talked to it. I know it. Florio knows it. This is a real thing. The NFL didn't put out this notice to the NFL teams to say, don't negotiate with this guy because they just decided to like, you know, pick it out of thin air. No, it's real.


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[Assistant] They know this from the teams and probably other people involved as well.


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[Assistant] I guess it's just shocking to sit here, the requested, the trade part of it. Like, like that's where it's like, as he's saying, there's no way back. He's not doing that.


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[Assistant] Alright, well they're, listen, they've been saying all the right things. You know, they're, they're, they want Lamar. Yea, cause where do they go without Lamar? I mean, yea, they want Lamar. There's no doubt. They just don't want Lamar at five years, 230, all guaranteed. You know? They're, they're, by all practical matters, he's, he's been offered the second greatest contract in the history of football.


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[Assistant] He's not happy with that, so I don't know where to go with that.


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[Assistant] It's not, you know, where I get into it, it's not like collusion against Lamar here. It's collusion against, yea, guaranteed contract? Sure. We didn't need Lamar to happen to know that this collusion was going on. This was going on before Deshaun Watson. You know, this is a thing. But yea, I don't know where this goes. Again, I wish he would get representation. It's weird in the fact that


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[Assistant] He got unlucky, and this is again where representation would help, right?


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[Assistant] Because representation would have been able to set up before the end of the year a few places that


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[Assistant] Hey, this makes sense for Lamar if it doesn't work in Baltimore. And hey,


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[Assistant] You know, non-Baltimore team. You should keep Lamar on your radar because he can do this and this for your team and it makes sense for you guys. That's where great agents do. They can bridge the gap, make a GM, see the light. Oh, whoa, you're right. That would work good in my team or my offense or my, and he's got none of that.


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[Assistant] So, teams either moved on, and then it was never set up the right way in the first place, and then you got a number of teams who were kind of in that like,


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[Assistant] And then, you know, when everybody came out at first with the, you know, we're not interested in Lamar, right? And everybody thought like, well, it looks so weird that four teams put out the same statement. No, four different teams, four different beat writers.


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[Assistant] Baltimore got the non-exclusive French tag. Those four different individuals called the team that they're associated with. Hey, I'm the Miami Beat writer. Miami, are you going to pursue Lamar Jackson? They release a statement.


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[Assistant] Atlanta Falcons, you're gonna resu- on the beat right over to the Atlanta Falcons, you're gonna resu Lamar Jackson, and then it looks like the fix is in. Lamar's loved, again.


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[Assistant] What is not loved is the guaranteed contract, the inability to get anything done with him, and nobody pushing the right message for him to connect people. That's really what's hurting him more than anything.


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[Assistant] He's great, but it's not like, like you're saying it right? It doesn't come without like some concerns or some questions. One, you know, negotiating the contract or negotiating any contract down the road is annoying and already scary at teams. He has a reputation, whether he likes it or not, that's the reputation.


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[Assistant] You know, you don't move as good as you did three years ago. You're still an awesome movement, but you're not the same.


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[Assistant] And you've missed the last two years, you know, in December. Alright, that's a little scary. And you're a guy that, again, the god of your game is around movement.


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[Assistant] You know, and then, you know, hey, you want this huge contract and all this stuff, well, you've won one playoff game. You've won one playoff game.


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[Assistant] You know, so those, those are the things teams are looking at. And then I had a team tell me too, the one thing that bothered them more than anything was the amount of practices he's missed over the last few years. Cause he's been sick or had little issues like that. So that scared him. So, you know, there's just a few things that go on there. And, you know, again, that's where.


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[Assistant] The way he's handling the situation is not giving teams confidence to go, well, let me just bla-


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[Assistant] You know, the teams I think we gotta like, maybe just like, keep into mind here, right, and you correct me too. Is uhm, I, I, Atlanta, okay, I'm still interested to see, and not totally sold or ready to move on. Carolina, we know is not doing it. Washington, okay, maybe. Detroit, maybe. I'm just trying to find teams that are a maybe.


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[Assistant] Seattle, the Giants, the Cowboys. Tampa, I don't think is going that way right now. Minnesota, San Francisco, Philadelphia. No. So, we have three as of right now.


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[Assistant] You know, Houston's going the young quarterback route. They're not looking to go Lamar Jackson. The Indianapolis Colts? Hey, they should probably still think about it. They should.


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[Assistant] You know, again, Shane Steichen came, you know, Jalen Hurts and the Eagles, that makes sense. But also to them, they're like...


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[Assistant] They're a team that might be starting like, we missed our window, we might be rebuilding here soon. That's why we got Shane Steichen and we're thinking about taking a quarterback at four. Do we really want to get Lamar and then not be able to fill in the rest of the team the right way, right? So I don't know if it makes sense there all the way. Plus they've had three, you know,


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[Assistant] One year retreads in a row where they brought a veteran and it didn't work out. Maybe they're burned by that. Lamar's certainly on a different level than those guys. Then after that, you know, okay, so who else is out there? Would Tennessee make a play?


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[Assistant] And trade a Ryan Tannehill way, do something like that. But I think you kinda get to the end of the conversation there. Miami's going with Tua. They're not gonna go that route. And there's not much else after that, so.


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[Assistant] That's where it's a weird year and a weird situation for a guy that's one of the best players in our sport.


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[Assistant] No, die, you get two first round picks, maybe the greatest contract ever.


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[Assistant] Yeah. You know, along with, wait, we could be two, three years from now, we need to renegotiate the contract or figure some things out for salary cap room. I gotta deal with Lamar and try to figure this out again? Nobody can deal with Lamar and get anything figured out right now. I don't like saying that, but that's the facts. Period. So I don't know where it goes, but it's crazy.


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[Assistant] I think just corners. I'm not gonna be able to get to safeties. Safeties we're gonna have to put in the back burner.


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[Assistant] Okay, there's too many damn corners and too many damn receivers. I'm a little behind, so we'll just be doing corners, okay? But we'll be back Wednesday. Chris Sims, Ahmed Fareed. Subscribe, rate, review. Wednesday podcast, corners. Be there or be square. Yeah. Alright? Clap it up. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's a good one. You want me to go here? Go ahead, go ahead. Alright, I'm gonna go for one, a big one here. Okay. I'm gonna go for a number that I did not think I was gonna be talking about.


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[Assistant] There's a lot to stop on that Eagles offense, right? Like you've been talking about it all year, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My ride or die, Jalen Hurts. Yeah, ride or die, Jalen Hurts. We know the offensive line's great. I gotta think the number one enemy of the Chiefs is, wait, we have to make sure we don't get overpowered in Steam World in the run game. At least that's my thought. I don't know if I'm right.


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[Assistant] But then I think that's going to lead to AJ Brown time. I think they're going to pick their poison here and I think they're going to go, you know what? We have to stop the run or AJ Brown gets a hundred receiving yards, right? They're going to pick stopping the run. I'm going to go with AJ getting his hundred plus receiving yards in the Superbowl. I know it's a bold one there, but I think they, I don't think they can.


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[Assistant] Double like they did, the Chiefs defense can double like they did the bangles with Jamar Chaser T Higgins because I think the threat of the run game and having the extra people to stop Jalen Hurts kinda limits that to where they're gonna have to have some one on one opportunities.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I gotcha. Okay, I like that one too. Go ahead, you start. I gotta figure out which one I'm gonna go here with. I got a list here and I'm not finding what I wanted to find. So Jay Croucher makes fun of me.


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[Assistant] No, it's smart. It's smart. I hear you. I think there's a lot of sense to that. Alright, uh, I think I'm gonna go with another big one here. Alright? I'm going Kelsey.


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[Assistant] Alright, first off, I think he's, of course they're gonna have game plan plays around him. The way Kansas, the way, uh, the Philadelphia Eagles play defense, and the way the Chiefs call their offense, I think it's gonna be hard to double a guy like Kelsey, and I think with that,


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[Assistant] Group of linebackers, five man rush a lot for the Eagles. I think he's gonna have some really favorable matchups. I don't think it's gonna be a big yardage day, but I think we're gonna have a lot of six and eight and let's stay in front of the chains type completions from Travis Kelsey.


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[Assistant] That, I think the ankle's in a better state than people realize. I, he's gonna have to move. He is one of the best scrambling quarterbacks we've ever seen in the history of football.


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[Assistant] And I think y'all have a number of carries where it's going to be six yards or five yards or whatever else just to kind of keep them in manageable positions. I'm going to go with the Mahomes over. I'm with you in that one as well. That's right.


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[Assistant] Because it's one game going on. During the season, we have seven games going on in the early window. And you go, let me get to Tuesday and Wednesday. Let me look at the tapes. I really can.


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[Assistant] I will want to start with the running game and what the Chiefs did to slow down the Eagles running game.


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[Assistant] Uh, just a quick preview. We've already given a little bit of a preview of what you saw. This is a Treasure Hunters edition, which we were talking last week with someone, I forget who it was, works here.


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[Assistant] He goes, you know, the Chiefs are like Indiana Jones, and we've often compared this day to like Indiana Jones. Yeah, Marvin, our man Marvin, was here and said, like, the Chiefs are like Indiana Jones. It's like they're down, they're out, you know they're gonna figure it out somehow, you're just curious on how it's gonna happen. Exactly. And that's what happened in this game.


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[Assistant] So whoever picked the Super Bowl, maybe picked the exact matchup. I think we had some people that did that, right? Yea, we did. We had a few.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you get nothing Pete says. No, t-shirt in the mail. But we'll start with your Super Bowl here. Because it's the final time that we get to do this. Two stats and a lie on the Super Bowl.


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[Assistant] So we'll just give you your Super Bowl right off the bat and then you can get into what the Chiefs did to stop that Eagles running game because I think that is really interesting. Yes. And what you found and all that cursive writing that you wrote yesterday. I've read it every single last word. Uh, but here, here's how it works. We got three stats or three facts. Two are true. Okay. One is false. Okay. So here they are. Four of the fastest


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[Assistant] Uh, four of the fastest, or four of the five fastest ball carriers in the game were Eagles. Okay. Kaderius Tony played fewer offensive snaps than third tight end Jodie Fortson.


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[Assistant] And Isaiah Pacheco played 42% of the Chiefs offensive snaps this season.


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[Assistant] You think that four of the five fastest ball carriers in the game were Eagles is a lie? Yes. That actually was true! Damn. AJ Brown was the fastest, Devontae Smith was next, then you have Isaiah Pajecko, and then you have Jalen Hurts, then you have Kenneth Gainwell. Wow. Wow. They're just talented. They were just a talented, stacked, fast team. This Eagles team.


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[Assistant] I feel like your gut was right, but you just answered wrong. Isaiah Pacheco, he only ended the year with 31% of the snaps this year for the Kansas City Chiefs. And Kaderius Tony played only six offensive snaps in the Super Bowl, which was way lower than I was looking at the snap count. I was like, right, I see like he was out there. Of course he played special teams, came up huge there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I was like, man, for the Chiefs, you got Tony. Yep. You can utilize him more next year. No, without a doubt. You got Isiah Pacheco, who's probably going to play more than 31% of the offensive snaps next year. I was like, dang, Chiefs could be even better, scarier offensively next year.


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[Assistant] As a disgruntled New York Giants fan, Pete in our ear keeps saying, can you trust, uh, Kaderius Tony to stay healthy for the entire season? Yea, that'll be the big thing.


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[Assistant] We've waited long enough. It is time to go into the curse of writing Chris Sims notes after watching the Super Bowl on film, which he says uncovered some nuggets that he did not necessarily think he was going to uncover in this one. And let's start with


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[Assistant] So the running back yards per rush in the Super Bowl, just two and a half in the year. It was almost five. So they really did. They just, uh, the running back run game, they shut down. Hertz wasn't running wild all game either.


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[Assistant] So how did they do that? And what surprised you?


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[Assistant] Like kudos to them to not have the ego to fall into that trap. Yea, and sometimes if you sell out to stop the run, you're gonna look pretty bad in some pass game situation.


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[Assistant] So are these situations where it was well disguised by the Chiefs and the Eagles didn't pick up on it or where they missed opportunities where Perks and that offense were not checking into plays when they saw that they're selling out to stop them from running?


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[Assistant] This might be the last time they can do something like that. Against the Eagles.


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[Assistant] In the second half of this game, and the numbers bear that out now, the two point conversion was one.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, here you go. The numbers bear that out. Seven in the first half. Right. None outside of that in the second half.


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[Assistant] You thought this was the best game that Jalen Hurts played probably all year.


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[Assistant] I mean, you gotta have players that can pull that off, and you name check a few in your notes here. Carlos Dunlap, Chris Jones, Kalen Saunders in the run game. Their statistics are not gonna


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[Assistant] So kudos to Nick Bolton. Cool that he got the spotlight too with the pick up of the fumble, which may have been the easiest play. And almost got another one. Yea, that may have been the easiest play of all game and that's the one that gets the most pub for Nick Bolton. Leo Chanel too, another player that popped for you.


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[Assistant] Eagles offense here. I'm trying to get a couple more of your notes. You didn't note a couple times. Of course, a lot of talk after the game was about that defensive holding and you were going to go back and look at some of the


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[Assistant] Calls that were not made maybe. Was there more holding that could have been called early in the game? Or were there calls that, you know, went for the Eagles against the Chiefs? And you did note one early on here when the score was 7-7. It was the third and four. Uh, they may have benefited from a call on Frank Clark that was offside.


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[Assistant] So the Eagles get the benefit of that call. And then three plays later, it's a 45 yard touchdown to AJ Brown. I think once again, we have the dots for that. Anything that stick out on that play again for you, such a crucial play early in the game.


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[Assistant] And that's, you know, what changed the game a little bit. But credit to Shane Steichen, because they were, from what you saw, they were able to get some guys open.


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[Assistant] I mean, we just saw it there with Devontae Smith, right? AJ Brown's always open. That's why Mike Vrabel was cracking his neck.


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[Assistant] Extremely impressive from what we've seen. Well, it's the definition of the 50-50 ball, right? Because later in the game, it was almost an interception when Jalen Hurts, uh, threw it to A.J. Brown in the midway through the


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[Assistant] The second quarter. Yeaah. And so I mean that, that really is the definition of a 50-50 ball. You throw one up, A.J. Brown makes the play, you throw it up again, it's almost a, almost a turnover.


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[Assistant] I mean, two things can be true here, is what you're saying. You think it was the best game that Jalen Hurts has played this season, maybe of his entire career, and he also left some plays out there.


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[Assistant] One of the funny things is one of the things that people are crapping on Jalen Hurts about is the Hail Mary at the end of the game. They go, uh, couldn't even throw it. I mean, how far you threw it?


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[Assistant] What happened? And that's not fair to Jalen Hurts. I mean, we're excited to see what Jalen Hurts can be next year, right? Cause they're going to put more on his shoulder and you mentioned it. Like they, they're going to see things in the super bowl and go, all right, we've got to add something. Add something to your game next year and they're going to be able to, no doubt. And again, that's


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[Assistant] You know, underwear all in a bunch. Too late. I know. Undies are in a bunch at this point. Yeah, you're trending on Twitter already. This hasn't even been released yet. Uh, you're out there. Alright, let's flip the page. Yeah. Let's go to that other quarterback that did win the Super Bowl MVP. And this is one thing that you mentioned going into the game. Uh, you go...


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[Assistant] Eagles have a little issue with pre-snap motion, guys in motion at the snap. That's where I'm most proud of us, that we came up with, like, we were the first ones there to tell everybody about that. Uh, and, you know, refresh my memory. Why do the Eagles struggle with that? Because...


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[Assistant] Sam Koiz10 on Twitter says to you, damn okay, Andy Reid, while it felt like in the first half the Eagles were dominating, it was all winning one-on-one matchups compared to scheme plays. The Chiefs had all kinds of answers for the Eagles defense, especially in the second half. I think that's because of Big Red. We have the numbers when the Chiefs offense was using


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[Assistant] Pete says in my ear, a couple homies disagree, because I guess we haven't got you riled up enough on this podcast. We'll see if we really can do it now. Respectfully disagree, he says. Uh, Hussain AJ Roush 4, and they're not responding to you because these tweets already were written. It goes, Mahomes never had one contested or tight window. All wide open.


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[Assistant] Right here, per next-gen stats, the Eagles played man coverage on a season-high 55% of pass plays in the Super Bowl. It started maybe right around the third drive. Say that again, say it again. 55% of pass plays they played man coverage season-high. Yeaah. For the Eagles this season. Right. Started maybe the third drive.


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[Assistant] Those fir- if you take those first two drives away, I bet you that percentage is much higher, right? More, right. Uh, you noted a blatant hold on Bradbury on Juju on the third drive of the game. So for those wondering, it's like if it's a- if it's a penalty in the fourth quarter, it should be a penalty in the first quarter. It's not that you don't think they should have called it.


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[Assistant] Late in the game, you probably think they should have probably also called it early in the game.


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[Assistant] He wanted to give it to maybe an offensive line member. I wanted to give it to Andy Reid. I thought he'd call up and design some good plays. Although,


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[Assistant] It's gotta go to a player, says Pete. We can't break the rules at this point. Well, why not, right? Rules are meant to be broken, right? We do it all the time. Uh, Chad Henney maybe wants to give it to coach, uh, Eric Biennami. Did you see this? No. Uh, this was on them using motion versus the Eagles. They're down by the goal line. Uh, Chad Henney after the game said, coach, Biennami,


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[Assistant] Put it on tape and said, hey, if they do this, this guy's wide open. It's man coverage. They're just trying to protect themselves from the jet sweep, trying to.


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[Assistant] Well that stuck out to you, first drive of the second half. Gotta have a drive, you're down 10, you can't punt on this one. You gotta get some points, at least a field goal. And do you put the game on Pat's shoulder? No, they really stuck with the run game early in that drive.


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[Assistant] That was impressive, it really was. Let's do a tip of the cap to one player on that Eagles defense though that stuck out to you. Yeaah. TJ Edwards.


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[Assistant] Let me explore one more thing here on the Chiefs offense, and maybe you've already covered this, but hammer it home a little bit more. You said in your notes, the Chiefs just didn't call plays, they attacked rules. They did. Could you expand on that?


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[Assistant] I don't know how I'm not gonna pick the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl next year. Young defense, good offense, Patrick Mahomes, you got a full year of Kidarius Tony if he can stay healthy. Young guys getting older. Pacheco, you'll have some draft picks.


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[Assistant] I'm amazed. And keeping that coaching staff together too. And that is not the case for the Eagles. Paul Good has a question for you. Now that Shane Steichen is the Colts new head coach, what will this mean for Hertz next year? Possible step back question mark. Yea, how much is, you know, Nick Sariani, I forget, Nick Sariani is offensive minded. Yea.


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[Assistant] Some offenses might want to steal that quarterback sneak that the Eagles do. I don't know if they can do it as successfully, but Cobra Cogwell says to you, what is your take on the quarterback sneak push formation? Do you think it will be illegal in two years?


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[Assistant] I wonder why two years doesn't think it's going to be illegal this year.


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[Assistant] You've looked at your notes. We've gotten to the end here.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Hold on. Pete, I got one more thing. I got one more thing that I want to say. And there it is. One more thing. Colombo streaming on Peacock. Yes. You can go stream it when you're done watching this podcast on Peacock. That's the one more thing.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, not a Nerf ball, Pete, but I'm just saying, like, if you're, like, we're all about offenses and making things easier for offenses, why not, why not use a smaller football?


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[Assistant] Not only is the ball smaller in college, it's also softer, right? Isn't the NFL ball rock hard?


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[Assistant] How far could you throw a regular football back in the day? Seventy five? You threw it seventy five.


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[Assistant] That's perfect. You know, I talk about that with my kids sometimes. I was like, intelligence is not the same for everyone, right? It's not. It's just like, physical intelligence with your body and the way you move it. Intelligence on... Be able to communicate. Computers communicating. Reading.


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[Assistant] And now the biggest, biggest butt of the year award. Before we give the big butt of the year award, this isn't the biggest game. Uhm, and it was kind of hard to figure this one out because he tackles and ends in, I mean it's 38-35. It wasn't like anyone was...


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[Assistant] On that play that Nick Bolton picked the ball up and ran back for a touchdown, they double teamed Chris Jones on that play as they did multiple times in the game, I'm sure. But that play in specific, they double teamed him.


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[Assistant] Messed up the blocking. Bolton goes in there untouched. I'm gonna give part of the credit to Chris Jones because he's such a beast in the middle there that it jacked up the Eagles offensive line and Bolton was able to go in there unscathed. I think there's a lot of plays like that.


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[Assistant] And so that one was more because of a specific play and kind of the same with my edge guy. I'm going to give that to Frank Clark by the Chiefs here because I was looking at the field goal drive specifically because what a stop, right? 17 play drive, hold them to a field goal there. Biggest play at stop of the game. So it was the third down stop there, but I'm going back to the second down, second 11.


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[Assistant] From the 20 yard line. Right. He got some pressure on Hertz. It was kind of a bull rush pass rush on the edge there. Got in his face. Hertz delivers it early. Maybe he could have stepped up in the pocket there. But I was like, alright, that set up a third and long, which made it difficult for the Eagles to convert there. So I was like, that play, other plays throughout the game.


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[Assistant] I was like Frank Clark and his emotional tribute at the end of the game to his father who, uh, who passed away earlier in the season. Um, and Chris Jones said this after the game, it's the most unselfish group I've been a part of starting with Frank Clark. So I hadn't given him one of the awards this year. So Frank Clark, congratulations. Superbowl edge, big butt award winner.


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[Assistant] So congratulations to Chris Jones and Frank Clark, and congratulations to some homies as well, because 198 homies correctly picked the Chiefs to win it all. 24% of you, including the man right in front of me right now. Congratulations.


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[Assistant] And you will see your name on the podcast because here we are. The answer key right here these guys gave us. Oh Leroy, one of them, well done. Andrew Grills. Now I've started reading the names. I'm sorry for all the names I did not read here. Anthony Dehoff. Glenn Birdlote. Oh, so maybe it's better that we don't read them because I just butchered that name.


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[Assistant] Predicted 10 out of the 14 playoff teams and the 49ers losing.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that's it. That's, that is football season. And I'm always sad. Like you mentioned, it's such a letdown. It's like a crescendo and then just an immediate end to the season. But what makes me happy as a...


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[Assistant] Uh, drop this off to me on Monday. It is the Roto World Fantasy Baseball Draft Guide. You can see it now. Pick it up in your local magazine story. Your favorite players on the cover. Aaron Judge, baby. Back in New York. Yeah. There were some questions whether he'd be back. Better be.


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[Assistant] I think he knew he was going back to New York the whole time. I hope so. He's gonna lose a Yankee fan if they didn't sign him back. Got a ton of money, but football is done, but spring training is upon us. That means only one thing. It is draft season. You can get the Road to World Baseball Draft Guide today.


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[Assistant] Get all the player profiles, rankings, projections that you need to hit your draft out of the park. Go to nbcsportsedge.com slash draft guide to get your draft guide right now. And if you do get that and you're watching, you got a QR code too.


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[Assistant] You know what I've never, if you're watching this on your phone, and this happens to me sometimes, it's like I get a QR code on my phone. Then what do you do? Yea, how do you take a picture? Can you do a screenshot? How do you do that Pete?


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[Assistant] Can't have it all. Uhm, so yeaah, check that out. And I have, I'm part of the mock draft that's in there. You can, you can look at my team that I drafted a couple months ago. Cool. And see if you agree with it. Alright. I agree with the draft picks. Alright, I like it. But, you know, football season really never ends.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Micah Parsons, George Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, Sean Payton, Justin Jefferson. Your interview with Sean Payton, I didn't think he was ever going to leave. He was enjoying himself so much.


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[Assistant] We're back. Chris is back. He's back from Kansas City and or his bedroom, which was also a chief shrine. We had to do the podcast last week with Chris in Kansas City, me here in West Virginia. I would then join him in Kansas City. We had a very nice dinner on Friday night that was replete with alcoholic beverages.


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[Assistant] Although, neither of us really seemed to be any worse for the wearer when we had to leave early the next morning, 9.15am. I think that we were the epitome of moderation as it relates to alcohol and food. Didn't eat too much.


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[Assistant] Little Rock. Doug, Doug from Little Rock. His wife is a Big Mahomes fan. They drove up from Little Rock to see the game.


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[Assistant] Well I got fries, and the fries consisted of taking a potato,


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[Assistant] Putting it in an apple slicer and frying the six pieces. And then there's your french fries. That's what it was. I'm serious. I'm not exaggerating. They brought out, they brought out the plate with the steak on it and there was this mound of like, like what? I ordered fries and it's like, yeah.


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[Assistant] I felt, I always, I've got this ingrained in my head from growing up. You always finish your plate, but I just couldn't. I couldn't finish the steak. I couldn't finish the fries. Cause I wanted to be right in that zone. Cause I didn't want to be paying for it. We had an important day on Saturday. Didn't want to drink too much. Didn't want to eat too much. Didn't want to smoke too much. I didn't smoke any. You pulled out your little case.


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[Assistant] And you popped out that cone, and you lit that thing up and I'm thinking,


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[Assistant] And now Chris can never return to Missouri where there will be an outstanding warrant for his arrest on misdemeanor charges of smoking Mary Jane in public. I don't even know if, oh, it's legal in Missouri, so. It is legal, but I don't know if they're allowed to walk down the streets.


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[Assistant] If Missouri is making weed legal, every state in the union should make it legal. I know it's legal here for medicinal purposes, but not yet recreationally, but it's just a matter of time before every state. There's money to be made and people are doing it anyway. Who the hell cares? The world has changed. Alright!


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[Assistant] We haven't changed, we're still doing the same things on Thursday except when we have to do it.


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[Assistant] One day earlier, one day late, but today we are doing it on the regularly scheduled day. Two scheduled games. I learned this morning that the Bengals Chiefs game isn't the early game. I thought it was. I'm glad it's not. I want 49ers Eagles to be the appetizer because it feels like Chiefs Bengals should be the main course.


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[Assistant] I was gonna let you have a minor victory lap here. I mean, unless you don't want it. If you don't want it, that's fine. Nah, I'll take it. But you were 3-1 last week and you're 9-1 straight up. Where was this expertise during the season?


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[Assistant] During the season you sucked, and now you're 9-1 in the playoffs. Against the spread we split 2-2 each, best bet's 1-1, but you are 9-1 straight up through 10 postseason games. It is hard to pick these postseason games.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's either that or the over or under. It's that or the over or under. Alright, fine, fine. That assumes you'll even still be alive in the competition after this weekend. It's embarrassing, the best bets. It's just embarrassing how bad we are. I'm proud of how we've done straight up.


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[Assistant] I'm very embarrassed by how we've done in what supposedly is our best bets.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say something else and now I've completely lost track of it. But I'm getting used to that. It's happening so often that I'm getting used to it. Alright, let's get to it. Alright, let's do it. We will do it though. Best bet for the sub- Oh, you know what I was gonna say? We did that thing three years ago. At that bar in Miami. Yeah.


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[Assistant] There hasn't been any discussion doing that. Again, I don't know that I want to, but there's been no conversation about doing it, so I'm assuming we're not going to do it. We have discussed it behind the scenes, Pete tells me. It would be nice to know if we're going to do it or not. And it would be nice to have a say in whether or not we're going to do it.


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[Assistant] And, and advance notice as to which night it would be. Because there's other, there's other plans that I've got made for the week that we're in Phoenix, which is a very stressful, demanding, and, uh, uh, long and exhausting week, so. Well, they'll get it to you. Don't worry, don't worry, Bobby.


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[Assistant] We'll see. We'll see. Uh, alright, let's get to it. All odds provided by BetMGM.


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[Assistant] There have been only two conference championship games with a spread below three points since 2000. The 2012 NFC Championship, 49ers were two point favorites against the Giants and the 49ers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was a close one. It was, it was a nail biter. Just covered the spread. Still, still.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you, that one was easier to deal with than 98. 98, it's harder to be in a close hard fought game and lose at the end than to just get your ass kicked because I went to bed at halftime. I was done.


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[Assistant] I'm out. See you later. I'm not watching this shit. It was horrible. Yeah. All right. All right. Wait, wait, wait. What is what I want to ask you?


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[Assistant] I think it's gonna be Bengal's Chiefs. I think it will.


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[Assistant] I think it's later, it's on CBS, and you're gonna have a certain amount of people who tune in to watch 60 minutes and drive up the rating before they realize it's not 60 minutes. That's where the difference is gonna come from. The 60 minutes crowd is gonna push Bengal's Chiefs over the top. I think they'll both be massive, and a lot of it depends upon how close the game is.


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[Assistant] The closer, more exciting game is going to hold the audience. The Eagle rating last weekend against the Giants was crap because it was a blowout. The 49ers Cowboys rating was massive in part because it was a close game and it's the Cowboys. So I think it'll be Bengals Chiefs because those are the two more dynamic, fascinating


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[Assistant] Enigmatic, I don't know that enigmatic is the right word there, but you know what I mean, they're just the, the quarterbacks that are gonna draw the most attention. They're stars of stars. As opposed to Jalen Hurts. Right. And Brock Purdy. Right. I mean, uh, Brock Purdy is not gonna put eyeballs on the screens.


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[Assistant] Patrick Mahomes and Josh Burrow will. So I think that game's gonna have higher ratings. But again, if one, if that one's a blowout and the other one's close, then, uh, it may be. But I don't know, 50 million? What a, they, it's, it's massive. It's not as big as the Super Bowl, obviously, but it'll be more than last week.


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[Assistant] And last week, 45-7 was the number for Cowboys 49ers. So I think we'll be north of 50 for both of these games. And they're both close, should be exciting, should be hard fought down to the wire games. Maybe we'll get an overtime game or two in the Conference Championship round. Alright, let's get to it.


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[Assistant] We'll start with the early game, which I thought was the late game up until a couple of hours ago. 49ers at the Eagles. It was one and a half points for the Eagles. Now it's two and a half points over under a 46 and a half. We broke this thing down.


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[Assistant] Looking at both sides of the ball earlier today. So I'm just going to give you a blank check, a clean slate. Talk about whatever you want to talk about as you walk your way through your thoughts on how this one is ultimately going to go.


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[Assistant] Well look, the 49ers defense consists of guys who, as we say time and again, will roll out of bed, run through a brick wall. Sometimes the brick wall wins and guys get injured, but right now they're healthy. And that is a huge advantage for the 49ers.


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[Assistant] Now this offense, it can run the ball, it can pass the ball, Jalen Hurts, an MVP candidate. At one point it looked like he was the favorite and was the favorite until he suffered the shoulder injury. By all appearances, he's healthy, or at least he's healthy enough to play. He's got a great attitude, he's a great leader, and


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[Assistant] I think that offense overall will rise to the challenge to score enough points. And again, that's the only stat that matters. Points scored versus points allowed. How many points do you need to muster as the Eagles offense? This may be a low scoring game. I see this over under a 46 and a half and I think...


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[Assistant] Maybe a little high. I'm not sure. Maybe close. Maybe close. I'm doing the math right now on what I think my projected score is going to be. And I'm going to be right over. I got 47 total points. I'm not telling you yet how many each team is going to get.


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[Assistant] It could be like last week where it's 9-9 in the second half. And a touchdown here by one team or the other is the thing that just breaks it open. It's not going to be a 14 point margin. It's not going to be a blowout. It's going to be a close, tough, hard fought game. And that actually, that actually


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[Assistant] Favors of 49ers because they just went through it with the Cowboys. The Eagles had it a little easy.


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[Assistant] Against the Giants. They weren't in a fight. Right. And now if they're in a fight, the 49ers have a recent memory of being in a fight. I don't know how relevant that is. I remember when the Cowboys came back and beat the Texans and Dak Prescott was like, well, that'll serve us well in the playoffs. Well, you're not playing the Texans in the playoffs. At least for the 49ers.


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[Assistant] When they won a hard fought game, it was against a damn good team.


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[Assistant] In the next last drive of the Cowboys 49ers game, we talked about this on Monday. Michael Gallup was open. Dak Prescott missed him.


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[Assistant] He should have thrown the ball to the inside. He threw the ball to the outside. It would have given them a nice chunk of yardage as they were trying to drive down the field and make it 19-18 pending. Brett Maher either making or missing a one pointer or going for two and going for the win.


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[Assistant] I raise that now because I'm curious and this is one way to bridge Eagles offense and 49ers offense. Who do you trust more to make a big throw in a big spot between the two quarterbacks in this game? Jalen Hurts or Brock Purdy?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I, I would as well, and, you know, I mentioned Gardner Menshue gratuitously, but when you think about it, you could make the argument that Brock Purdy is the third best quarterback who will be in the building on Sunday. You could make that argument. I know you can. I mean, couldn't you?


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[Assistant] Is he immune to the reality that, and this point comes up all the time when a quarterback plays for the first time, you need four to six games.


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[Assistant] And I want to make one other point. I don't think it's an insult to call a quarterback, I don't think it's an insult to call a quarterback a system quarterback. I think the wall goes like this.


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[Assistant] The system quarterback is the guy who comes out, runs the play as designed, and if it doesn't work, that's that. The non-system quarterback is the guy


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[Assistant] The guys who are special are the guys who operate the system.


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[Assistant] But then come up with our own system on the fly when needed. Is that a fair delineation of the two?


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[Assistant] Alright. I got mine written down. Okay. I ain't changing it based upon what you do. Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? Go ahead, you can go first here.


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[Assistant] That the 49ers are the best team in the NFL. The 49ers have this nucleus of badasses and if you keep them healthy, they should be able to get to the Super Bowl and win it. And I still believe that. But in certain moments,


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[Assistant] Quarterback play is relevant. Quarterback play is critical. Quarterback play is the potential difference maker. Am I ready to trust Brock Purdy to go to Philadelphia to cap his rookie season by beating the number one seed and advance to the Super Bowl? Am I convinced


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[Assistant] He can sufficiently shut down his humanity. That he can sufficiently ignore how he's feeling inside. The churning of his gut. The spinning of the gears in his brain as to what this win would mean to him.


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[Assistant] As an NFL player, how it would unlock a future filled with wealth and fame beyond his wildest imagination because he never imagined even playing, much less taking a team into a conference championship game.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to assume that he can ultimately do it and be the difference maker. And I say that fully aware of the fact that he is the ultimate system quarterback, that he's a bystander at times to the exploits of Christian McCaffrey and Debo Samuel and that the passes he throws aren't


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[Assistant] Low percentage needle thread. It's guys wide open because the defense is, is trying not to get gashed by the running game. And so Kyle Shanahan swoops in with a play that just works perfectly. And there's George Kittle to make the catch and rumble with it another 20 yards.


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[Assistant] Was split the baby, thread the needle. And, and I remembered a time


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[Assistant] It was the 2011 season, it was the dream team year for the Eagles. The 49ers had been bad the year before, it was Jim Harbaugh's first season, and I picked the upset. I picked the 49ers to win the game 25-24, they won the game 24-23. So I like that number, 24-23, but what I'm gonna do,


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[Assistant] I'm covered either way. I'm covered either way. So if the 49ers win, I'm at least picking them with the points. Maybe I get lucky and it's a one or a two point game and Eagles win and I get both, but I'm willing to give up one to have the other. Eagles 24, 49ers 23.


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[Assistant] There you have it, we both picked the Eagles to win, Chris picks the Eagles to cover, I pick the 49ers, getting the two and a half. 24-23 for me, 28-20.


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[Assistant] For Chris. Now we go to the late game. The game that as of a few hours ago I thought was the early game and I was very happy to be wrong. I haven't been that happy to be wrong about something in a long time.


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[Assistant] Bangle's Chiefs under the lights at Arrowhead. Maybe there'll be a little snow in the air, who knows. It would be fitting for this one, especially since they tried to put this game indoors in Atlanta, and it would have been if it had been Bill's Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Right now, we've got the Chiefs as one point favorites. Earlier today I think it went back to even. Pete, you may want to check that. Check BetMGM. Whatever BetMGM has right now will go with. It's even now. Is it even, Pete? Is that Pete talking to me?


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[Assistant] Right now, it's a, it's a liquid market. Right now the Chiefs are one point favorite. So it was Kansas City minus two and a half. It swung to the Bengals minus one. Now it's Chiefs minus one. And that was the way it was yesterday. Some of the markets are back to straight up. We're gonna go with Chiefs minus one for today's purposes. So.


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[Assistant] As I did with the other game, Chris, I give you blank slate.


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[Assistant] Clean check, or clean slate blank check, whichever the case is.


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[Assistant] What do you, what do you want to, what do you, I've been hanging around you way too much and it's the second hand smoke from Friday night. What, uh, what, what do you, where do you want to go on this one?


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[Assistant] And here's the reality. The Bengals offensive line did hold up well against the Bills and I expect them to hold up well against the Chiefs in part because Burrow gets rid of the ball so quickly. He understands that the clock moves faster when you don't have the same level of protection you otherwise would have. And he's fearless. He stays in there and takes the hit. He doesn't do the Tom Brady


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[Assistant] They really kind of made the game over before it was officially over that Monday night to start the wild or to end the wild card round. Excuse me. So I think the Bengals offense will be fine. I think the ability of Joe Mixon to run hard, even with 60% of the starting offensive line gone, helps balance out. We talked about that last week. Joe Mixon needs to have a good game.


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[Assistant] I think the Bengals just, they, they, they love doing this. They love going on the road in the postseason. They love beating the Chiefs. They're not freaked out by the moment. Joe Burrow rises to the occasion. And the more he's doubted, you know, because we're thinking all the Chiefs are due, all the Chiefs are due.


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[Assistant] And maybe it's gotten so much people talking about the Bengals.


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[Assistant] What else do we have to do? Well, it would help if you could beat the Bengals under Joe Burrow. That would help. I think that both teams are going to be...


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[Assistant] Because the offense is going to be driven to go out there and just move the ball, move the ball, move the ball. And I think the Bengals will be able to move the ball against the Kansas City defense because number one, Joe Mixon will be able to run it. And number two, Joe Burrow will get rid of it quickly. And you got all those receivers, the three receivers and Hayden Hearst. Somebody's going to be open.


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[Assistant] He's gonna know, you know, he's gotten to the point where usually you gotta be in your thirties for this.


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[Assistant] I agree, and I still have faith in Borough, and I think they're going to move the ball, and they're going to score points. The question is will they score enough? So we flip it over to the Chief. Can the Chief score enough? Can the Chief score more? The Patrick Mahomes injury, we know about it.


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[Assistant] Supposedly a high ankle sprain, but he's moving around fine. And, you know, we're always looking...


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[Assistant] What may be happening next level? Like did he will himself to walk normally to throw us all off the trail? Why didn't he limp?


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[Assistant] That's the ultimate rope-a-dope. Why isn't he wearing a walking boot? I mean, really, if he's fine, if he's fine, why wouldn't you wear a walking boot to the podium? Why wouldn't you limp off the podium to make the Bengals think you're going to be impaired and then all of a sudden you're Superman on Sunday? So, it's weird how it's all playing out.


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[Assistant] If he truly had a high ankle sprain, it's odd to see him out there running around doing things in practice, but he looks, he looks fine. That doesn't mean he's going to be able to do the stuff that makes him so special when he's running with the football in panic mode as he explained it to me.


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[Assistant] Back in December, the same day they beat the Texans and he threw that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar cross-body hook shot, which he says he just morphs into panic mode and things happen and usually it's good things.


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[Assistant] I don't know what to expect from Mahomes, but what do you expect from the Chief's offense generally knowing that Mahomes at least isn't 100%, even if it's 99, he's still not going to be 100%.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's get to it then. I don't know how long we've been going, but it's getting up on, uh, the top of the hour, and I think we didn't get started all that... Too late, maybe ten minutes late. Right. ...start of the last hour. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Pete says we're doing well. We don't have to take a break in this one. This is all continuous straight through, so we could go as long as we want or as short as we want, but, you know, we got other things to do, including the impending call of nature, which is becoming a factor, quite frankly, for me. So, uh, let's get to it. Chiefs?


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[Assistant] Uh, sitting Pete and, and not, not for the reasons, not for the reasons that Chris and I were discussing on BFT Live. Let's just leave it at that. Uh, and hovering will not be happening either. Okay. Uh, Bengals, Chiefs.


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[Assistant] One point favorite for these purposes are the Chiefs. Chris, give me your pick, give me your score.


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[Assistant] And that would be one hell of a super bowl. All of these permutations would be great. Bengals 49ers for the third time ever would be good. Bengals Eagles would be fascinating for a variety of reasons. Chiefs 49ers, of course, a rematch from three years ago. Alright, uhm, look.


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[Assistant] The Bengals didn't just go into Buffalo and win a fluky game. They went in and kicked the shit out of the Bills. On both sides of the ball. Held them to 10 and scored 27 in the snow with all the emotion and all the factors and all the intangibles favoring the Buffalo Bills.


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[Assistant] The Bengals went in and took it and they thrive on that. Going in and taking it. They love it.


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[Assistant] They almost lost to the Raiders in the wild card round last year. It was a final drive by Derek Carr and company. It was that, remember that, that controversial


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[Assistant] Guy who walks up to you, David, it's not just David getting lucky with a stone.


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[Assistant] And, you know, it may just be, you're trying to sell to everybody, he's gonna be fine, and then we're gonna find out otherwise that he's not.


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[Assistant] He's still the best quarterback in football. He's still a notch above Joe Burrow. He's got an MVP award and a Super Bowl MVP award. Burrow's got neither, but Burrow's working on it. But I said after Sunday, the ease with which the Bengals beat the Bills, I am never picking against the Bengals again, ever again. And I can't break that because I inevitably will.


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[Assistant] Conference championship scores, one that I hate. That was the final score of the 98 Vikings Falcons game when the road team won in overtime. It wouldn't be gr- wouldn't it be perfect if the game goes overtime? Tied at 27.


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[Assistant] I don't feel good about either one. And I wish we didn't have to pick these games. I wanna just watch them and enjoy them with no rooting interest whatsoever based upon being right. Both these games are gonna be awesome, Chris. I don't feel good about either pick. Uh, but, but, I gotta go, until somebody beat the Bengals.


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[Assistant] You and I both abandoned one of our Super Bowl teams. I picked Chiefs Packers as my Super Bowl. And usually, my, my, my rule of thumb had been I always pick my Super Bowl team to win in the postseason until they're done.


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[Assistant] Because I picked them to go to the Super Bowl, but the season plays out and you feel differently about it and I feel differently about the Bengals.


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[Assistant] My best bet, my best bet, cause I'm done with tying my angst to who wins or loses. I'm taking the over.


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[Assistant] In the Bengals Chiefs game. 47 and a half, are you kidding me? 47 and a half for those two offenses on a day when they are going to be wired to push the ball down the field and score. 47 and a half, I would have gone over 57 and a half. That 47 and a half is way too low. Watch, the final score is going to be 13-10. Give me the over.


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[Assistant] Watching the podcast all season long and maybe weren't involved a couple of years ago when we got this started. The whole Folsom Prison Blues thing. We never have time to explain it during the actual show because it's, it's recorded to fit a one hour window on Peacock in Sirius XM 85.


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[Assistant] This all flows from one of the great scenes of the film Walk the Line with Joaquin Phoenix and Reese Witherspoon. Awesome. Johnny Cash, June Carter Cash, biopic.


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[Assistant] He's, he's in, and it's always that moment. I love in these, these movies about like musicians or whoever, you know, the moment that it all kind of, the lightning strikes. I know this is a long wind up, but bear with me. He's in there playing some crappy gospel song and the guy at the record studio is like, what are you doing?


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[Assistant] You don't really believe that. I want you to play the one song that you would play if you were dying in a gutter and you only had time to play one song before you expired. What's the one thing you'd want to tell the world? So that's for the whole Folsom Prison or Folsom County Blues.


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[Assistant] To summarize, we both like the Eagles to win. I like the Niners to cover.


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[Assistant] Chris has the Chiefs to win and cover. I've got the Bengals to win and cover. Chiefs has the, or Chris has or Chiefs, Chris has the Eagles as his best bet and I've got the over for Chiefs Bengals. That's it.


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[Assistant] See what happens. We'll break it all down next week and we'll do, I assume, a PixPod in connection with the Super Bowl. You know it. Maybe. We got to. Maybe.


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[Assistant] Oh, oh, I'm already, I'm already scoping out the dispensaries in the vicinity of where we'll be staying. Boom. Awesome. So, uh, we're gonna have some fun in Arizona. Yes we are. Alright, that's it. Thanks for some of your time.


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[Assistant] We will see you weekdays for PFT Live and also Chris Sims on Button to check us out at ProFootballTalk.com. Enjoy the games. We'll break them all down bright and early Monday morning. See ya.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, baby. What's up? It's Monday. It's NFL free agency time. It's Chris Sims, Ahmed Fareed. We are live on the NFL YouTube page or NBC. We got news breaking. We got plenty of news that already has broken over the, over the weekend.


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[Assistant] We certainly are gonna hit on all of that and then try to keep up with some of the news that has just dropped or continues to drop live as we go. It's a live show. We will go with the flow on the live show. That's what we're gonna do. My man's here, fresh cut, looking, I mean, Johnny Spectacular with the perfect hairdo.


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[Assistant] Little tan, manicured beard and mustache.


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[Assistant] Let me know when you want to go really short on the sides and join the real party, okay? What is that, a one? That's a one. I think it's a one. Yes, it is a one. Yeah, it doesn't make all the women in my life happy all the times, but I like it and that's what I'm gonna do. So, we are live.


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[Assistant] Yes, it's open. We've seen a lot of action over the last few years during, you know, this little start of the tampering window.


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[Assistant] Usually it's the teams that have the most money that are, wait, we got a lot of money. We're desperate to turn things around. We're willing to pay more than maybe some of the other teams that are out there to turn things around for our organization.


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[Assistant] And they are the ones that usually get the deals done this time of the year the quickest. And we've already seen some of that right off the bat, let alone, hey, we had a good weekend of NFL news to go along with it. So, you know, with the breaking news and then some of the news that


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[Assistant] We got on the weekend, we'll kinda go back and forth and kinda try to unpack it all as we go along here.


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[Assistant] Like what you saw, wish I would even set it on PFT today cause I'm excited to see what the Bears do cause of all the money they have and of course the moves they made this weekend in the trade and we'll unpack all of that too, but yes.


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[Assistant] T.J. Edwards is, you know, one of those guys I think we were talking about along the lines where he's a really good player that gets lost in the shuffle of a bunch of stars on that Eagles football team, right? And he might not have been the most marquee free agent name they had, right? It's a, you know, we know Jovan Hargarev and


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[Assistant] Bradbury, right, Slay, and a little bit of the requesting the trade, Chauncey Gardner, Johnson, I mean it's really unbelievable when you talk about it, like you said, the Eagles, they're so good and there's like four marquee players we just named that might not be on their team, uh, but Edwards,


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[Assistant] Is phenomenal and he did get lost in the shuffle and this is.


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[Assistant] The perfect scheme fit. I wish I would have called this because this is where I would have called he would have gone. Again, it's Matt Eberfluss, right? A little bit rooted in that Seattle cover three system. They like more the smaller athletic type linebacker. You know, he's a guy that goes around 235, 238 somewhere along there, but as fast sideline to sideline downhill,


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[Assistant] You know, good in coverage and space, all of that. Makes a lot of sense. Matt Eberflu is where'd he come from? The Colts, right? Colts had the Shaquille Leonard and that type of guy. That's what they want there.


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[Assistant] So their offense, they've done a lot of good things with the trade and everything else. It's time to start putting some investment in the defense. And I think that was a smart place to start. You lost Roquan Smith in the trade during the year. It's an important position for this defensive scheme and I'm not shocked to see it. What kind of money are we talking? Is it yet? Anything yet? I don't think we know yet.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be shocked to see like three years, you know, maybe 54 million.


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[Assistant] Where he gets like 36, maybe 40 up, you know, guaranteed and he'll have to earn that last year of the contract, right? Something like that. But I would, I would expect to see a pretty front-loaded year or two to start the contract. And then if it goes well, hey, he'll see number three. If not, they'll, you know, do something else.


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[Assistant] It's so perfect though. You guys are just getting good. There's nobody you hate more than the Bears and the Bears got all these assets to start getting good too. Well, this is what I'm going to say and Eagles fans will join me in this is that they


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[Assistant] Well, to a degree, yeaah, I mean, to a degree, I think they're no and have a good feel for what's realistic and what they might be able to get done or keep or, you know, who's gonna be a tough one to, to re-sign. But also, like, yeaah, I mean, they're gonna be calculated and as we've talked about.


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[Assistant] The Eagles thing too is, hey, look, it's all the draft picks they have and the assets they have over the next two years. Yeah, they don't have to panic.


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[Assistant] Sign anybody or give them some crazy contract like that. So, uh, I'm not shocked, uh, you know, to see TJ Edwards go and we'll see. Maybe two out of the four guys they keep, but I don't think it's going to be any more than that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Edwards is, you know, is a three down linebacker, you know, and he's what, what you're looking for in the modern day.


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[Assistant] You know, linebacker, as far as yeaah, he's not your old school New York Giants, you know.


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[Assistant] Like Thumper, huge guy, right? That's not what he is. It's a little more rooted in athleticism, and that's the kind of defense the Bears play.


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[Assistant] So he's going to be perfect for what they want to do, let alone he's a field general. You can tell he's smart with the way he plays. We talked a lot at the Eagles a lot, right? All the things they did in the secondary and how they changed defenses on motion and.


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[Assistant] Shifting formations. Well, he more times than not was in control of trying to organize everybody. It wasn't an easy task, but yeah, I think he's perfect for Matt Eberfluss.


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[Assistant] They're the team I would look at to go watch out. I mean, they're, you know, again, offensively, like we said, they're, they're, they're not far off.


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[Assistant] When you talk about Claypool, DJ Moore, Darnell Mooney when he comes back.


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[Assistant] You know, the offensive line, hey, they could open up some holes in the running game. Yeaah, they need a little help here, and this is, you know, I think McGlinchey's even on the radar here for the Bears, and people are expecting something to happen there, which I wouldn't be shocked. Right. Right? You know, that makes sense. Again, another guy where they can probably overpay him from what he's probably going to get on the market.


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[Assistant] And he'd be happy to go there. But yea, the Bears are a team that I would go, the way they've set things up here, could turn it around at least the fastest, right? And then when you add a player like, oh wait, you know, his fields and his electric ability and what he's got around it.


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[Assistant] Off of that, Aman, to what you're saying too, I'm a big fan of Eberfluss. I am. I really like what they do on the defensive side of the ball. I know I call it the Seattle scheme. It's rooted in that.


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[Assistant] But just like a good west coast offensive coordinator, he's put his own spin on things and does some different things along with that and, uh, creative, has it all. And yeah, the Bears would be the team that I'd say, yeah, you better watch out for a quicker turnaround.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, well it was right. Now, Howie better watch out, because uhm, Jason Kelsey can certainly consume a lot more tequila than he can, and not be wobbly.


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[Assistant] There's, there's, you know, let's see if I can get this right. I mean, I know they have a free agent guard right peed off the top of my head, Isaac Siamullo, he's free. So where I see this going for Kelsey, and of course we're talking about Jason Kelsey, this is a, we don't say this a lot, this is a hall of fame center. Alright, it's awesome he's coming back.


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[Assistant] Now they drafted a center in the second round out of Nebraska last year, if you remember, right? He's kind of sitting in the wings. So I would expect what happens here off of that, kind of like what they did with Landon Dickerson, who was also a center at Alabama. They'll keep Kelsey at center, of course.


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[Assistant] Lannan Dickerson's one guard. I would bet you, what's his name? Jernigan? Jernan? I can't think of his damn name. I'll be able to come up to my head in a second here.


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[Assistant] Second round pick out of Nebraska last year for the Eagles. He'll go to right guard, I would bet you. Which will make Isaac Siamullu maybe, you know, replaceable from that standpoint where they're not going to overpay him. It's going to have to be the right price. I certainly can see that kind of being the future for the Eagles online there.


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[Assistant] It might be the shocking signing so far that I've seen here. The one that made my eyes pop the most was that one you just explained.


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[Assistant] You know, one, the Raiders don't have a quarterback on the roster now. They got nobody. Jared Siddup wasn't on the roster either, but I think they were expecting to get him back.


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[Assistant] Get him back. Hey, if we draft a young, raw quarterback or something like that, Stidham could hold it down for a little bit. I'll be excited. I was way off on my TJ Edwards proclamation for the contract, right? You get a second chance. I get him a second chance, a second swing here, where I bet you they signed him for big backup money. What would that be?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna guess closer to like, you know, I'm gonna say 8 to 10 million maybe? Somewhere in that range? Seven?


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[Assistant] You know, I would, I would think it's something substantial for him to leave a comfort zone and a spot where he goes, wait, I know this coach likes me. You know, they've been, they've been invested in me.


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[Assistant] That's pretty amazing, and I'm not shocked to see Sean Payton do it either. I'm not. And again, he's protecting himself. He's seen that guy. He knows he knows how to work a system. Stidham's better than people realize. And if Russell gets hurt, or...


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[Assistant] Doesn't play well, he's not going to leverage the farm all on one guy. Always had good backups with New Orleans Saints, go check it out. Backups would come in and play for New Orleans and throw for 300 yards and three touchdowns. Not quite be like Drew Brees, but it wouldn't be far off it.


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[Assistant] One of the things I was constantly saying, I will be shocked that the first move we don't see them make is get a big offensive line.


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[Assistant] That's where they're gonna go. It's a small quarterback in Russell Wilson. He watches the rush too much. The first thing you do to make him feel confident is, hey, don't worry about this. I got this worked out up here. Don't worry, coaches, O-line coach, we got you blocked. Listen to what I'm saying in coverages. That'll be part of the rebuilding of his confidence, right?


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[Assistant] Exactly. Right. Right. And then as we know with small quarterbacks, a lot of times they have hard time seeing over the middle. Well, you got big guards in a big center like Drew Brees did in New Orleans and makes it easier because it keeps people away. It gives them some room to see. So I was not shocked. Big Ben Powers from the Baltimore Ravens. Four year deal. And they only get gigantic.


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[Assistant] Lyman in Baltimore, but Sean Payton's that way too. He's from the Bill Parcells School of Coaching, so I wasn't shocked to see that move go down.


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[Assistant] Uh, with the Raiders, or maybe he just said, you know what, I want to try something new and go somewhere else. I don't know, but that's a good signing by the Denver Broncos, and I'm sure the Raiders are disappointed by that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, makes sense. I mean, one, the Texans, I could see them.


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[Assistant] Maybe wanting a guy just in case, hey, we draft a quarterback, we don't have to rely on him to come in and play and, you know, hit the ground running right away.


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[Assistant] The Raiders, in lieu of what we saw with that Panthers trade, are now in the same spot the Panthers were. They're kind of in no man's land.


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[Assistant] You know, you could be sitting there and going, no, you're not going to get a quarterback at pick number seven. You might not, or at least not one of your top three choices and maybe even top four. So that's where it's risky. Garoppolo.


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[Assistant] There's, there's, you know, common ground there. That group was all in New England when they drafted Jimmy Garoppolo. So they know him. He runs the system. And, you know, as we're sitting here piecing this together, you know, as you just said,


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[Assistant] There's a part of me that thinks Jared Situm signs with the Broncos because he's going, what? We're going to sign Jimmy Garoppolo to be the starter? Right? Like, uh, screw that. Like, I could see him maybe be disappointed in that, but it makes sense. And if I'm Jimmy Garoppolo, send no.


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[Assistant] Freakin' brainer. I almost said the f-word on our first time on the YouTube page. I'm a little too comfortable in podcast mode here. But like, if you're a quarterback, right?


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[Assistant] What do you have to work with the Detections right now, right? Yeah. Why would you want to go there? So if you're trying to set yourself up for a big payday or, you know, established I want to be a starter somewhere, the Raiders are certainly the spot for that.


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[Assistant] Are you kidding me? You know, you know, McDaniels is going to get the offensive line straight. You got Josh Jacobs. You got Waller. You got Renfro. Oh yeah. And you got Devonte Adams. I mean, that's a no brainer as compared to, oh, oh, okay. Wait, I can go to the Texan sign there.


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[Assistant] Sean Payton is, he's trying to build the team and get assets into the way he envisions of it, envisions it.


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[Assistant] You know, Sudden has not looked the same ever since he heard his ACL. You know, there were some moments last year.


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[Assistant] Jerry Judy's certainly been up and down. K.J. Hamlin would scare the crap out of me because it's a lot of injuries so far and there was injuries in college. So I think he's looking at that probably going, wait.


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[Assistant] You know, and some of these guys, Jerry Judy's probably going, wait, I want to be paid maybe after a good year. He's looking at it going, I don't know if I want those headaches. I'd rather get my kind of guys in here. I'm not shocked to see that.


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[Assistant] You know, I think right now he's more worried about acquiring assets and the personnel and people that he sees in his vision along with, uh, you know, GM George Payton. I would imagine that. And, you know, maybe there's some guys out there where it feels like if they can acquire some assets that maybe they can, you know,


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[Assistant] Get somebody they want and trade or, you know, free up some money, free agency. He's thinking long term as well as this short term fix.


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[Assistant] That's, that's unbelievable. I mean, uh, it's definitely the shocker. We don't know any money yet, right? I mean, I guess not. Oh, let's do it again. Should we do it again? I'm scared to. I'm burnt. You burned me. Oh, I do know the money. I do know the money.


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[Assistant] Four year, eighty-four million dollar deal. Four year, eighty-four million dollar year. So twenty-one a year, makes sense. I'd be interested to hear, you know, how much of that is back-loaded or whatever else, but... Yea, you never know. You take it with a grain of salt. Definitely.


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[Assistant] The other thing, I'm just pulling up for the 49ers free agents here, excuse me if I seem like I'm bumbling and bumbling all over myself.


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[Assistant] 40 million guaranteed. Wow. So, I mean, it's a hard, that's hard for me to believe that


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[Assistant] He won't be there, you know, for probably three years when it's all said and done. You know, there's probably more to that and a practical guarantee of really probably getting close up there to 60 million dollars. But uhm, I'm just thinking about them, that D line, I mean,


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[Assistant] Him? Javon Kenlaw? They're gonna pay bossa some point this offseason?


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[Assistant] Okay, and now you got Hargrave to go with Eric Armstead?


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[Assistant] Right? I mean, that, that to me is unbelievable when you really break it down and what you got working there. And it actually is making me think here as far as, you know, how are they gonna, how are they gonna play this? I'm guessing they're gonna go Kinlaw and Hargrave inside and bump Eric Armstead outside.


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[Assistant] Right? So he has the ability to do that. It's not going to be a big problem. Uh, but wow, does that give them some size group? And, you know, the crazy thing about Hargrave is I think this system will fit him.


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[Assistant] You know, he can do some two-gapping, but he's, for his size is extremely, extremely athletic. And then...


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[Assistant] Yeah, his ability to, really is, his pass rush ability to me is the most impressive thing. You would think the way he looks, you'd go, oh, he'd be a great run stopper. He's a good run stopper. He's a better interior pass rusher.


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[Assistant] I told you, I told you, I told you that this is what Denver was gonna do. I knew it, I knew it. I just, you know, Sean Payton, like a Shanahan or a McDaniel, I have a pretty good feel for, just cause I've watched them so closely over the years. And know so many people in their coaching tree, and I just, you know, they have some


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[Assistant] Some things are there, there's some tendencies as far as how they operate, right? Not a bad thing, but damn. So they get now McGlinchey and Ben Powers. Wow. See? So there you go. They're going to be balanced. They're taking pressure off Russell already. He's going to feel protected. They're going to run the ball.


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[Assistant] But, uh, yeah, Sean Payton, for all his past game, 5,000 yards, you know, people forget how much he believes in up front and how big those teams were in New Orleans, like we've discussed in


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[Assistant] McGunchies was, I think, clearly, like, the premier tackle in free agency, right?


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[Assistant] You know, so now it's yea, who's the next guys after that? The Orlando Brown Juniors of the world, right? Where he wants to play left tackle so you don't want him, he doesn't want to play right tackle.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, we're getting into that, which I think is one of the more interesting things out there. But yeaah, they lost their chance at the, their premier right tackle in this free agency right here. That's for sure. And now, you know, where they move from there, that's a good question. Who's the next guy up on, you know, the list for possible tackle?


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[Assistant] That's where, you know, hey, now there's going to be a little bit of a drop. There's guys like Isaiah Wynn out there, right, from the New England Patriots. Orlando Brown, I said that Pete, but I was like, you know, was Orlando Brown, is he going to want to play right tackle? Maybe they move him to left and figure something out. They could do either way, but.


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[Assistant] You know, what's he pricing himself at? I'm still shocked that Orlando Brown has not got re-signed by the Kansas City Chiefs and that hasn't worked itself out.


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[Assistant] But, uh, yeaah, I would still expect we hear the Bears with some sort of O-line move here in the next 24 hours or somewhere in that range.


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[Assistant] Not, not like, I mean, shocking, but I think when you, when you kind of unpack it a little bit, I don't know if it's that shocking. They fed him so much. I mean, he is like a huge part of their offense. I know. I think the offense is going to go a little different direction. He's on the last year of his deal, right? So you know, he's talking to them right now and wants a new deal.


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[Assistant] They have probably realized or both sides have realized, whoa, we're far apart. Right? This is usually how these things kind of work. All right. And then you go into.


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[Assistant] Now it's the new, this is not the west coast, you know, uh, Lombardi, Joe Lombardi offense. You got Kellen Moore in town. I think Kellen Moore wants to run a little bit more.


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[Assistant] Traditional running back, Ezekiel Elegant, Tony Pollard between the bat, tackles a little bit. And then set it up to throw deep passes down the field with Justin Herbert.


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[Assistant] And Eckler, you know, I think yeaah, I would worry about how much longer does he have to be a every down workhorse between the tackles type runner to what you're saying. It's a lot of touches and carries for a smaller guy.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm not, I wouldn't sit here and go, oh well yeaah, it's the last year or two. I mean, the way he's kept himself in shape, the way he looked there, he still looks really good. But I think it's more of a philosophy slash, hey, it's the running back position. Teams might don't want to overpay for that. They paid a lot of players in free agency last year.


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[Assistant] And he probably thinks he's worth more than that. And, uh, yeah, he'll be finding a new home.


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[Assistant] And then they had the other move too, right? The, uhm, the guard. Oh, yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay. I mean, again, I think we know the mantra of what the Atlanta Falcons are too, right? I mean, again, this is a little bit along the, the Sean Payton conversation that we're talking about. Uhm, you know, also the, uhm,


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[Assistant] The, the other thing about them, Lytrum's, Lytrum by far, for me, okay, is...


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[Assistant] So, I would envision them wanting to play Kyle Pitts, Jonas Smith.


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[Assistant] Smash Mouth, Algier up the middle, you know, we're gonna pound the ball, pound the ball.


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[Assistant] I know. Hey, we got a big receiver in Drake London on the outside. Oh, you're going to bring all these people in to stop the run. We're a great running team with our two tight ends and Kyle Pitts and Jonah Smith.


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[Assistant] And just like we talk about with other teams that create mismatches. Oh, now you got all your, your base defense, big linebackers are going to stop the run. Oh, now we're spread out. Now it's.


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[Assistant] Two athletic titans split out against your slow ass linebackers who can't cover anybody. And I would envision that's what they want to do. It's what he did a little bit when he was with the Tennessee Titans. So, uh, that makes total sense.


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[Assistant] From that standpoint. And then one of the things we've talked about, you know, again, the defensive side of the ball. Yeah, they want to be big. We know that.


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[Assistant] Anya Mata is a great run stopping defensive tackle who has a little versatility as far as shade knows, three technique, three, four, five technique and kind of do it all there, right? So that makes sense. Um, yeah. Uh, I think, I think those are all within what they want to do. Now to me, the Falcons, the next thing is just like, you know,


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[Assistant] Splash player. Who's, you know, I know they re-signed, uh, Carter, their big outside linebacker who they draft, you know, was, was with the Giants and Lorenzo Carter, right. You know, are they gonna get a...


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[Assistant] Big time pass rusher to go along with the group here at some point.


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[Assistant] You know, so that, that's where I'm interested to see this go and then, you know, even, uh,


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[Assistant] Their new D coordinator, right? Dean Pease moved on in Atlanta. They got the Nielsen, uh, Ryan Nielsen, who was with Anyamata in New Orleans, so that helps him set his culture, right? So all of that makes sense, I think, for what they're doing, not only as a team, but, you know, with their new hire, uh, Ryan Nielsen.


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[Assistant] He's really a premier nickel corner. Took a little bit of a step back last year. He had a play outside. You know, they moved him outside because of injuries and that's not exactly his strong point there. But, you know, teams that match up in the secondary,


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[Assistant] Match up according to what the other receiving core is, right? A lot of teams in football go, wait, no, these are our three corners and we play them no matter what team we are. New England does not do that.


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[Assistant] They're a little bit more like, no, no, we have five or six corners and depending on your three receivers that you play this week, we match them up accordingly. We think our corners match up with certain skill sets of your receivers and we're going to make that a problem for you, right? So Jones is


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[Assistant] An awesome slot with some outside versatility. You know, does a lot of good things from that. I'm not shocked to see that, that re-signing there.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright. I thought he might get a little bit more money than that. I'm low on my expectations here a little bit. Sutton?


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[Assistant] Hello? Good player. One of the more underrated- Why'd you just say good? You mean great, great player. Well, really good player. What I meant by is much better player than I think the public realizes. That's right. He's not a household name. He's not like some of the stars we always talk about.


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[Assistant] Damn, you break him down on what he's done in Pittsburgh the last few years. Pittsburgh has broken away a little bit from the mold of being a zone team all the time. They've relied on him. You're damn Lions. If there's a damn position they need on their football team, it starts right there. So good for them. And you know, I think he's one of the


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[Assistant] He's smart value, right? Not a huge number. He's really, really in my mind a better player than that number right there. He is. But still, none the less, 22 guaranteed, 3 year deal. He might see every penny of that, but a good signing for your Aaron Glenn and Detroit Lions and the kneecap biters.


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[Assistant] They still could, right? Definitely. This doesn't affect that. It doesn't affect that. You know? This is not like you've spent the farm on like some like, this is the island corner and we're gonna base this. This to me is like, no, we're gonna get another A plus guy and this is our A minus guy right here in Cam Sutton, right? That's kinda how I look at it.


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[Assistant] So that, it makes sense. I don't think it has anything to do.


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[Assistant] With them at number six. And if they, you know, start to get a hold of their board, if they go, wait, corner is...


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[Assistant] Definitely one of the top things for us to take here. I don't think that contract will, you guys need more than one guy in the secondary, as we know. So, uh, and you know, your third round, third pick for the draft from Ohio State.


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[Assistant] Okuda. Okuda has not, you know, he's been solid. He certainly went in the right direction last year, but certainly hasn't lived up to the number three pick in the draft. Daniel is chiming in.


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[Assistant] Not a huge surprise, I guess. No, not a huge surprise. You're right. And I think his number was pretty substantial. Pete, if you could help me with that. But I think we've gotten to the...


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[Assistant] Kaleus Campbell, we're, we're, again, I don't want to be disrespectful. We're getting towards the end of a career.