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[Assistant] I mean, I love the card, don't get me wrong, like Teferi, like you know, Time Raveler, that's like one of my favorite cards. You loved Teferi, Time Raveler.


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[Assistant] I love, and like the thing is, I loved it so much at the beginning. Get out. I know, I know, the passives, I like, I'm a huge fan of the passives. It's weird.


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[Assistant] Was a very fun set when it first came out, right? And, and all the idea of passives on planeswalkers, it was so cool, it was neat, right? And like, I'm happy they tried it. Some of the passives though, might have been a little too strong, and one would say maybe not even inviting, to like, to like, where it'd be replayable. Like, to fairy, like shutting off, instance.


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[Assistant] See, I enjoyed that part of it because I didn't have to deal with counterspells from the oppo- like the opponent, but then the issue was, what if that opponent resolves one on me, then my counterspells are bad, right? Right. But then there's also the mana doubling passive from Nissa, which at this point now, I think a lot of people know, I am not a fan of green.


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[Assistant] And yeah, but the other passives were fine, like I thought Narset's passives, Tamiyo's passive, there was like Nicol Bolas' passive, so many of those passives were a-okay to me.


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[Assistant] But, there were some cards that just felt a little unbalanced. Like, like, as I said, there's also Hydroid Crisis, in a game where, you know, the play style, we, like, you have all this mana doubling, all this ramp there, the play style where you could, like, leverage card advantage and stuff like that. That play style kinda went away.


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[Assistant] Over time, because everything does like 50 things now. It walks your dog, it does your taxes, and it also draws 19 cards, and it's also a big flying, trampling creature.


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[Assistant] I, I, I, I, I'm kinda with you on that, like I, I don't think something like Island Walk is ridiculous. I don't think, I, I even mentioned it before, but I even think cards like Mana Leak are just, like people, cause that was considered an unfun card, right? And, but, but nowadays, Mana Leak


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna lie to you, I don't even know if I'd play it if it were in standard, right? Like, cuz I mean, Mystical Dispute is just better. Right. And it's one man.


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[Assistant] And it counters anything that's blue for one mana. So there's a lot of things that I do find humorous that it's like, oh well, you can't have


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[Assistant] Like you said, island walk, swamp walk, and whatever that may look like visually, like in the world of magic. But, but then you can have...


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[Assistant] You know, the Okos, the, the Nissa who shakes the world, the doubling of the mana, the, the, all the free spells that you get like once upon a time and stuff like that. So I find that kind of crazy, especially after when we kind of...


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[Assistant] I think the first thing that happened was when Eldraine was spoiled. Everybody kind of knew that once upon a time it was like


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[Assistant] That's a free spell. And in Magic's history and it's past and what not, we've learned from how free spells play out. Even if it's just the first time it's free, it's already too much value.


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[Assistant] And especially when we've changed the mulligan system to the London mulligan system, that even gave it more consistency. Cause I think at that point, we had the top, the most played deck was 72% of the mythic championship meta. At that point,


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[Assistant] Uh, where the most played deck was 32% of the meta. Then...


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[Assistant] That mythic championship happens, simic food, whatever, it becomes 70 some percent. That's insane. That is insane. Like, I mean...


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[Assistant] Is that replayability? I, I felt like I got burnt out pretty quick. Like, just one, like once Eldraine came out, I, I felt the burnout from standing.


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[Assistant] Is where you, you could say like, you know, maybe fair magic is viable, right? And like, it feels like in the last couple of years, fair magic has kind of just gotten pushed out and like now you're playing like 15 lands at turn. Right. You're, you know, you're getting free cards that are just being played for free.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, I, I really liked those years though, cause like, War of the Spark and the, the Ravnica before it were, was great, I think, like, combined together. It wasn't for me, like, it wasn't a problem for me until Eldraine hit. Eldraine, if you actually look at most of the band cards.


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[Assistant] I think they all have something to do with Eldraine. Eldraine was too much. It was way too much. Don't get me wrong, Eldraine had some cool hits. I thought the adventure mechanic was very sweet. Oh, I like the adventure mechanic.


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[Assistant] I think it's funny to me because Eldraine, a card like brazen borrower, normally I would flip my mind over and just like, oh my gosh, that card is insane, but in Eldraine and the land, like the whole, the set as a whole, that card is just good.


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[Assistant] Right, right. So, I don't know, I think that once we...


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[Assistant] Once we saw Eldraine, that's when we got a lot of, like, a little bit too much stuff. Too many free spells between Once Upon Time, Fires, and then we, after that, that was when we got Winota. Winota, though, not a problem in Standard. Uh, it is something else that is just asking to be broken in Standard because you are getting, I mean, at a point, right, we had Luka.


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[Assistant] Luka in Ikoria, which gave us free Agent of Treachery, Agent of Treachery actually a fair card. I think as a seven mana card, in, in


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[Assistant] Right? And it steals apartment. I love it in EDH to death and I think it's fine there. But like in standard, normally it's fine, right? If you took like that card and you put it in like let's say 2013, 2012 standard, right? That card probably wouldn't even get played.


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[Assistant] The thing here is, because today, you have growth spiral. Right. You have Uro. You have these things, and as we had mentioned before about the whole fair magic thing, playing one land at a turn, you have so many efficient ways to ramp, like, and like no actual like cost at these ramps, because they'll replace themselves, they'll do something.


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[Assistant] Whereas, you know, in the old days, if I had rampant growth and a bunch of stuff like that, it's just, I get a land out of my deck and it's a terrible top deck. But now I have, you know, like, let's just say like, Uro, which is ramp life gain, a 6-6. And when it attacks, it does everything all over again.


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[Assistant] There's no cost to these ramp spells, so a seven mana card and like Ugin, Ugin in 2020 is a four drop.


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[Assistant] Mhm. You know what I mean? So it's, that's why it seems broken, cause it's everything that leads into the agent of treachery. Like, let's be honest here, Luca?


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[Assistant] You never really saw, like, you know, like, Agent of Treachery without Luka, like, you know what I mean, like, breaking the format wide open. Why was Luka a problem? Because it was a way to cheat in a 7 mana spell. For free. Like, at the cost of a token. Right. Because your only creature was Agent.


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[Assistant] So you're always guaranteed to hit it with Luka. So, that's my thing. Like there's just, I think a lot of standards...


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[Assistant] Like, like, like issues has just been the cheating of spells and the doubling on mana. And the way the ramp works now is that there, as I had mentioned, no cost to adding it in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like I think Llanowar Elves, a-okay with that. Throw that in there. Throw Elvish Mystic in the same set so they get eight one-drops. Okay, but the thing here is when it's something like...


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[Assistant] Like no more, like the issue I think I had was like the, like example, feel the dead. You can't interact with it efficiently, right? And then on top of that, you had tons of ways to get land out. You had Golos, you had all this other stuff, so it's just like,


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[Assistant] Once again, it's just, it's easy. All I had to do was play a land and I beat my opponent. And things that are problematic to the game, in a game where it's all about resource management and you have unlimited resources, and what it feels like unlimited resources,


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Like what, like sure, like I guess there are, I'm not saying that there aren't any decision trees you have to take, but I will say that the patterns of play weren't exactly the most fun.


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[Assistant] Right, it's just like, cool, play a land, get a zombie. Cool, I play another land, I get another zombie.


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[Assistant] You're getting rewarded for playing your normal game plan, where you're already gonna play lands, and on top of that you can double the amount of lands you put out. So, I think a lot of it stems from like that, just yeah, like the dancing with fast mana, and the way you ramp, and the way the ramp replaces itself too efficient, like it's just, the cards are too efficient.


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[Assistant] And like, permission magic, right? But then it kind of just became this thing where Teferi was so efficient and just, it did so many things and it was so good that, you know, you just didn't want to get caught out holding like eight counterspells with a resolved Teferi on board. So you just, so most Controllers just...


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[Assistant] Like, just, chopped off all of the, like, counterspells and just went tap out.


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[Assistant] So, a lot of the cards in the last two years do have that prison style that you're talking about, like Teferi shut off instance, Narset says no additional draws, uh, you know, Tamiyo says no discard. I-I-I'm okay with some of those passives, I'm okay with the no additional draws and you know, the no discarding, right, yadda yadda yadda. But, but some of that was very powerful and very prison-y.


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[Assistant] And, and, and that was, like, Teferi shut off tons of cards. Oko turned, like, the God of Turtles. I think the God of Turtles were very cool cards.


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[Assistant] But Oko just elked him. So there was no point in playing them. Right. So, so like yea, like it was awkward. You were in a spot where...


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[Assistant] There were so many cool cards in the format that didn't get to see play. I, like, if you took some of the problematic cards that we had mentioned out of the format, I think there could have been some cool things there. If they slowed the ramp down, like, like seeing something like Nicol Bolas' Dragon God.


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[Assistant] That card, everybody knows I love Nicol Bolas, but, but like, that card was like, so cool, and, and, and it was actually...


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[Assistant] Insanely balanced. It was, it, it, it felt like it was over-costed compared to some of the three-mana planeswalkers. Mm-hmm. Like, Nico Bolas could have brought, like, if it were, if it were up to me to, like, match it to the power level of Rest is Standard, Bolas would have just been literally blue-black-red.


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[Assistant] In the trend of all the powerful three pla- like three cost planeswalkers, why not, right? Why not?


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[Assistant] I, I think, so like example, the last time I would say we had a thriving standard was one that I truly, let's not say money is a factor in it, right? Strictly the gameplay. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like there was a deck for literally everybody, there was an aggro deck, there was just a pure control deck, there was a midrange deck, and there was something there for everyone. And I'm not gonna lie to you, I don't think I've


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[Assistant] As you had mentioned, there have been fun standards along the way, like I, as I said, like War and the first few Ravnica sets was really fun, but nothing ever captured


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[Assistant] Hanz was, and this is even of all the past standards I've played in too, like I loved Faeries, I loved, you know, like, Cobblade, and I know that those formats weren't fun, but like, for a good amount of people- I'm glad that you know that. Oh yeah, I'm aware of the decks that I like, and I'm okay with, you know, like, them printing cards and hate out those decks and all that by the way, but


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[Assistant] Cons was perfect. It had everything. It had the miserable control deck you hate playing against. Sure. But it also had that crazy aggressive red deck. And it also had a great green-black midrange deck when you could actually, one for one, play value creatures and leverage card advantage.


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[Assistant] Which is weird, right? Because like, I mean, I get it, like, don't, don't get, I see why, like, when it, cause at that point there was no arena, right?


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[Assistant] And, and just like, as you had mentioned, it wasn't just the lands, like the cards were just so fun, right? Like the, like,


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[Assistant] But now it's like, I played Historic, I played a Thraggtusk, and it's just like, I felt like I lost four turns playing Thraggtusk. Right. Compared to standard's new cards. So, it is, it's kinda crazy to me how far we've gone from like, you know, a siege right now.


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[Assistant] Everything, like, because before you used to be able to like, alright, well, that threat, that can stick, that can stay, I can ignore that.


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[Assistant] Now it's like everything you have to kill it. Like there is just, there's nothing that can get past-


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[Assistant] And, and, and that's why the ability to ramp and double your mana, cheat, free things in, is insane because the power of everything you're putting in and you're not using any resources for it, like you're literally not even skipping a beat on your turn, right? Like if you're playing Fires of Invention, then boom, double Cavalier. Oh, whatever, I guess you lose.


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[Assistant] Right? Like, so, I feel like you don't lose any tempo, you don't, there's, the play pattern is just not fun. So, that was, that was my biggest issue, I think, with the last two years. And, and to, yea, like, nobody's surprised, I mean, cons, ugh, I love that, that was such a...


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[Assistant] So how I viewed Theras is that it was definitely a power down, give or take one blue-green titan. Uhm, cause like...


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not gonna say any names, but his counterpart, Kroxa, is actually a cool card.


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[Assistant] And it, Kroxa is, it's two mana, it makes him lose three damage and discard a card, maybe, right? Like, and that is still really good, and, but, but like...


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[Assistant] His blue-green counterpart, Uro, is like, it's not even the same. Uro's ruining every format.


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[Assistant] That is literally a whole, like, section of decks that you could look at on the Goldfish website. It's just all under the category of Uropiles. And, and like, speaking of that, like how you had mentioned, um, you know, back in Conj, we get away with a few more, like,


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[Assistant] Like pet decks, uh, brews, you know, play your, your, your, your pet cards.


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[Assistant] One of the things that I really like, I didn't, you know, maybe, maybe, uh, who knows, Future Me broke the standard meta with Zendikar rising.


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[Assistant] And rogues are everywhere, and they're the best deck.


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[Assistant] In all honesty, the one thing that I'm really kind of like worried about going to this new set is Rogue's though a really cool tribal deck, right? Like all the little creatures, the way, it's like an aggressive mill deck, right? And we've never really had a mill deck beat here, right?


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[Assistant] With all the cards that Rogues got from Zendikar Rising and the shell that's shaping, like it's shaping up to B, it could be really good, but one card keeps it in check.


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[Assistant] Right. Am I gonna help you fuel your aura? Because that's literally what my tribal deck does because none of my creatures are bigger than a 6-6. Right. And even if you just got to play it once and I kill it, I've spent mana, I've spent time, and you've also eaten up your graveyard and shrunk


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[Assistant] See, and that's the thing that kind of, kind of, kind of burns, right? It's like, ooh. In, on Arena, this is just a wild card.


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[Assistant] Right, but like, if, like, if, I mean, in, in the times that we're in, of course, Paper Magic also is in a weird spot, but like, let's just say that wasn't here, and I bought, I bought a $40 card, I'm gonna feel really bad knowing that like, at any point this is gonna get banned, and I mean, I guess it,


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[Assistant] It kind of works to my benefit that if I, I stray away from the powerful decks and the powerful cards. I usually play...


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[Assistant] It's M21 I felt like was the perfect level of power. Cards like, uh, Terror of the Peaks.


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[Assistant] Elder Gargara. You look at those cards in 2013, I would have told you those cards aren't even printable. Those are banned, like instantly banned. Right. Before the set even comes out. In 2020 standards, it's like, it's good. I'd play it.


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[Assistant] The way the power is, like, shaping up to be now, I feel like there has been a power down. I, I, I love this spot that we're at right now with Zendikar rising, the power level of the cards, uh, that we've seen in spoiler season, uhm, you know, M21, it's the perfect level of power. Like, like, Teferi, Master of Time, a planeswalker that activates at instant speed.


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[Assistant] Normally I'd be like, woah, that's gotta be broken, but it's just a good blue planeswalker. It's fine. But it's not backbreaking. And, and, and like the creatures, Terror of the Peaks, Elder Gargara, really good if you get to untap with it.


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[Assistant] Fine card. Not disgustingly broken, but strong. Because I think the one thing I never want to go back to, this is why I have to like really applaud the R&D team, you know, is because you have to walk this tightrope that is fun.


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[Assistant] Powerful, but please don't take me back to Ixalan levels of like, lack of power, right? I actually just stopped playing Standard because it was so painful to play such a low-powered format. It felt like I would rather just play two starter decks against each other.


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[Assistant] That, you know, merfolk set, yes! All the sweet new lords, all the sweet new, like, like, cameo was cool. Plus one plus one, we can't give it island walk.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, you're right, like, it'd be cool to see something like that. As I said, Ixalan, I think that was a missed opportunity to really, like, Kamena was cool. I think Kamena is a sweet card. It is. Like, whether it's a Merfolk EDH Commander or just in the 60 cards or whatever, in the 99 of Commander, it's just an all-around fun card in, like, formats if you love Merfolk.


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[Assistant] The most important thing is that, uh, if Nekobolas is in the format, it should be a tier 1 deck, always.


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[Assistant] No bias, clearly, no bias. Uh, but outside of that, the mana doubling, stay away from that. Like, you know, if you're gonna double mana, if you're gonna allow Ramp to do its ramping things and run Rampant, if you would, uh, woo!


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[Assistant] I would say there should be a cost to throwing these cards in your deck. They shouldn't gain you life and do all this other stuff. They should be a dead draw in the late game, right? Cause that's the way you would beat those decks, like Tron. Oh, well I just gotta hope they brick and not draw like a Karn, an Ugin, and they draw one of their like, you know, Farseeks or something like that.


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[Assistant] But now, if the Farseek hits you and also gains life, there's no cost, so stay away from that, and uh, like I mean, other than that,


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[Assistant] I know after the last two years, it's hard to say this, but I also still say


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[Assistant] I still appreciate trying new things. The attempt at making more powerful cards, the attempt at doing all of that, but also be really ready to ban it if it goes wrong.


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[Assistant] And, and, and, I mean, like, not, not wait like seven months, and then- Right. Like, I mean, like-


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[Assistant] You know, like, some of it, you can probably already see, like, these cards are already broken, so you don't even need to print them. But like, yea, like, I do appreciate that they are still trying to make new cards. I think that's fun, and I want them to, like, I want to see new cards. As somebody that's, you know, played since, like, middle school, like,


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[Assistant] I have Grinning Demon tattooed onto me and a 4 mana 6-6 that loses 2 on my upkeep is like, like, that's a joke if I played that today. Right? So seeing something like, like these newer cards and what they do now.


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[Assistant] It is cool to me. It is insanely cool to see these, like, powerful cards, but just... a little more balanced?


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[Assistant] Does, like, Magic has to, once again, like, balance that too. They've got this digital game where they want to be an e-sport and they want to do all this stuff.


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[Assistant] But then they, but like those digital games, uh, can I say the H word on this channel, like Hearthstone and stuff like that? Yes. You can just censor that out later. No, no, no. You can totally say Hearthstone. Hearthstone, Runeterra, all these things, they can fix the card just by a patch.


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[Assistant] Right. You can't do that with magic cause there's the paper half. Right. So they have to walk this line and it's kinda weird so, you know.


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[Assistant] I'll tip my hat to them there, like, you do that.


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[Assistant] It's, yeah, it's kind of a tough one, right? And so like a tough one to do and that's why the, that's exactly what it feels like.


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[Assistant] Hearthstone is how the vibe of some of these new cards. It's a joke. No kidding. It was a joke before, but now it's like, it's kinda scary, like, haha.


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[Assistant] I mean, like Hearthstone, you know, not saying the game is easy to play, but the cards themselves don't have like, I think, cause I used to stream Hearthstone before Magic had Arena, and I remember when Arena came out and it was enclosed by a Nicobolis, uh, God Pharaoh was on my board, and somebody that had watched Hearthstone and all my Hearthstone stuff,


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[Assistant] Was like, why is there a textbook of things there? Cause like, it's got four abilities. What do the numbers mean? Like, you know, if you looked at, as a new player, if you looked at vampire scavenger, whatever the new two, like, uh, star plus one, uh, like, like vampire rogue is, that looks like there's a math equation. Like if I didn't know magic.


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[Assistant] Uh, I am on, like, all the social media, like Instagram, Twitter, The Asian Avenger. Of course, you can also find my stuff on MTGGoldfish.com, where I do historic, pioneer, standard, uh, commander, all sorts of content on there, uh, with, uh, tons of friends. So, The Asian Avenger at everything. That's my handle for all my things.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav, the player who is the favorite to win the Masters, ended up winning.


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[Assistant] The Masters, Scotty Scheffler, the world number one, a four to one favorite entering the 88th Masters tournament.


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[Assistant] Indeed goes on to win by 4 shots, won the tournament 11 under par, 4 shots better.


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[Assistant] Then Ludwig Oberg after a final round 68. Rex, it wasn't quite the scoring bonanza.


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[Assistant] That we anticipated on Saturday night with the best player won this golf tournament. It has to feel like a satisfying ending for you.


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[Assistant] I don't think this, this Masters Sunday was a snoozer. I was talking to a fellow media member out there and it, it, the conversation did come up like, did the golf gods have to sell something or did golf media have to sell something in order to get the 2019 Masters?


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[Assistant] But Tiger Woods, winning his 15 major championship, this is an absolutely epic Sunday. Ever since then, we have had.


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[Assistant] Blowout victories. It has been at least three shots each and every Masters since 2019, whether it was Dustin Johnson, whether it was Hideki Matsuyama, whether it was Sky Shuffle the first time, whether it was Jon Rahm last year, and now it's Sky Shuffle once again by four shots. I think the final outcome


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[Assistant] Is indicative of the way Scottie Schaeffler played, but for a long time, Rex, I would say almost half of the final round, the outcome was certainly a doubt. I mean, at one point, Scottie Schaeffler on the eighth tee, there was a four way tie.


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[Assistant] For the lead. Yeaah. Then Ka'amora Collins, Scottie Scheffler go a shot ahead. And then I think the tournament really swung on the 9th hole with Scottie Scheffler, just a wedge into the 9th green up the hill, almost holds it out. One of six birdies that he recorded over his last 11 holes. And I think what we saw unfold over a 30 minute span when Scottie Scheffler made birdie on 10 and Ludwig Oberg made an uncharacteristic mistake going in the water on 11 and then Max Homa


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[Assistant] Where he gets himself out of trouble, he hits the necessary shots, and then he waits and watches as other players are then forced to try and match his near perfection and end up making costly miscues.


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[Assistant] Uh, that, that, that doomed their chances. That to me was a story of this master's. How much he has separated himself, not just


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[Assistant] With his, his technical excellence, which is obvious to anyone who watches him play golf, but it's now a mentality that he has kind of forced upon the competitors that they have to play nearly mistake free golf to beat him. And more times than not, at least over his last four starts, it's just not happening.


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[Assistant] No, I mean, it certainly, it certainly didn't feel that way. I don't think it's necessarily fair to say that Scottie went into prevent defense and was playing conservatively. I mean,


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[Assistant] But like to, to listen to, so at the very end of Scottie Scheffler's press conference, I don't know when they replay this on live for the Masters, whether you, whether you guys can hear it at home, but Scottie goes through.


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[Assistant] Uh, the clubs and the shots that he hit to record his birdies and his bogeys in the final round. And I was struck by the number of long irons that Scottie Scheffler was hitting.


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[Assistant] In the final round, he said, he said three iron three times, four iron twice. I mean, this is a guy who was putting the accept putting putting the pedal down on par five holes, the most consequential holes on the golf course. He was taking all of the risk on whether it was eight, ripping it up into the back right portion.


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[Assistant] Of the green, uh, whether it was 13, uh, the momentous decision that has been restored after Augusta National lengthened.


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[Assistant] Uh, that hole 15, which had caused problems for, for players, uh, over the last 54 holes with changing wind conditions. I mean, he was taking those shots on. There was no let up. There was no playing safe. There was no conservative approach. He was ripping three and four irons into those holes. And the difference is he was pulling them off. He was the one who was pulling it off.


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[Assistant] He was the one who was pulling it off with a two putt birdie on 13. He was the one who was pulling it off just missing in the right spot on 15 and even though he didn't get up and down, it did not cost him


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[Assistant] Superior advantage that sky sheffler possesses particularly with his iron play i mean he was going head to head rex in this final round with com or cow. Who ever since he burst on the pg torrent way nineteen has been.


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[Assistant] If not the best iron player on the PJ Tour, one of the top five.


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[Assistant] Uh, best iron players on the PJ tour. And this was an absolute clinic. He out sharpshooted Kalamorokawa, which would have seen unfathomable.


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[Assistant] Three or four years ago when Kyle Morikawa was at the height of his powers. I think it just goes to show the gap between Scottie Scheffler and the rest of the field right now. What do you think we're looking at here, Rex? Because this is a player now who has lost a total of one golfer.


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[Assistant] That would have gotten him into a playoff. I mean, this is as good of a run.


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[Assistant] As we have seen now that it includes a major championship and the players championship and a signature event, this is the best run we've seen since late 2000's Tiger? I mean, it's Tiger.


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[Assistant] You're concerned by this neck issue. Scottie Scheffler had pretty serious back issues.


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[Assistant] In college, I mean, he was a phenomenal junior player, one of the best players to come out of the state of Texas right up there with Jordan Spieth. But in college, he kind of had a two year period where he had a lot of back issues because of the severe growths.


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[Assistant] Uh, spurt that he had. I think he grew about 14 inches in a one-year span, threw everything out of whack. I think there was actually some, some question during his sophomore and junior year, whether Scottie Shetler was actually going to be able to fulfill all the men's promise that he has. That's why Scottie Shetler has worked so hard in the gym, rec, since turning pro. It's not necessarily trying to get jacked.


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[Assistant] Issue for Scottie Scheffler and he does, and he is now probably poised to sit out a few weeks.


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[Assistant] A new child who is coming in the next few weeks could disrupt a tiger-like run.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't like to say that though. I know. I hate to say that. But, but it is a significant life change and I think it's significant, Rex, because of this.


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[Assistant] Through his entire life and through his entire career. Just look at the stable of people who have surrounded him.


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[Assistant] He's clearly a devoted family man. He talks about his parents in every press conference, uh, his sisters who travel with him to countless junior tournaments. He shouted them out in the green jacket ceremony like they are extremely close and they have continued to be close. He has worked with his swing coach Randy Smith since he was seven years old. Randy Smith's son is Blake Smith.


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[Assistant] Move to Phil Kenyon and that was a huge shake up because it showed no ego on Randy Smith's part and he was bringing essentially a new member.


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[Assistant] Welcoming your couples first child i even mention meredith who they've been together since high school i mean this has been a very stable life. The sky sheffler has enjoyed is just interesting to think that this could all be disrupted at least paused. Suspended maybe a temporary hiatus during one of the best runs that we've seen.


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[Assistant] In the next 15 years, I'm not saying it, I mean, he could potentially win the PGA championship by 10 shots, who knows, but it is interesting that this is, that this life event is being thrown smack in the middle of it.


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[Assistant] That's exactly what happened over 72 holes.


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[Assistant] At Augusta National, Scottie Scheffler was 22nd in the field in strokes game putting that is above average in Scottie Scheffler.


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[Assistant] On his second green jacket by four shots. For more on Sky Shuffle, you can read my column soon to be written.


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[Assistant] Have you started? Have you started? It's going to be a very late evening here at Augusta National


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[Assistant] That's what I'm writing. Rex, what did you write for the website and why?


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[Assistant] The most amazing thing about, about Ludo was the fact that this wasn't just his first master start, this was his first major championship start. Ever. And yet he's still.


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[Assistant] Almost had an opportunity to win the golf trim and we've seen over the past decade that players in their debut have fared well, whether it was.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jordan Spieth, uh, coming out and almost winning in 2014.


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[Assistant] enough mistakes that you could show that this was, that he was, that he was a first timer. You absolutely, you cannot miss, you cannot miss left on that. I don't know. I didn't, he was, he was at his press conference. I didn't hear whether he said, but the bailout is obvious. It's exactly where Scottie Scheffler missed. It's the 12th.


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[Assistant] Exactly. You just miswrite that green, take your chances, a five is not going to kill you, whereas a six ultimately doomed his chances. I also think that experience kind of shows in Shuffler's Caddy Ted Scott.


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[Assistant] Who now has four green jackets to his credit, two with Bubba Watson and now two with Scottie Scheffler. There's still mystique. There's still magic.


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[Assistant] There's still something to be said for experience. I do agree with you that we're getting closer and we've seen enough evidence to suggest that this will probably go down at least somewhat soon. But this was also the best rookie, master's rookie class maybe we've ever seen.


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[Assistant] Between reigning U.S. Open champion Wyndham Clark, who missed the cut, Nikolai Hoggart, who flew a little bit too close to the sun on Saturday, made five straight bogeys and ultimately finished over par for the tournament, and then Ober in his very first Masters getting close, but no cigar as well. Uh, so I do think, uh, obviously hats off to him. He's gotta be, he's gotta be no worse than


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[Assistant] Five, six, seven on your top seven list of favorites for the PGA Championship. He certainly looks like he has the goods. How about your other takeaways?


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[Assistant] From the Weak Rex, whether it was Tiger, whether it was Max Homa, whether it was Bryce Hadashambo, Roy McElroy's, uh, continued streak of futility at Augusta National. What else stood out to you?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean there's, there's so much to dissect with this. I think it's obvious now.


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[Assistant] Why we did not see Tiger Woods play a golf tournament over the past two months. There was talk, oh, he used to play Bay Hill.


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[Assistant] He's won eight times. I think that ship is kind of sail. I was one who said he's got to play the player's championship.


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[Assistant] Easy, uh, easy flight from South Florida, flat golf course. He's won their flag, tourist flagship event. Like he needs to get some tournament reps and he did not play. You're the one who on the podcast a couple of weeks ago pointed out, I think quite accurately that when he played the seminal pro member,


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[Assistant] The game was, was rusty there and he just wasn't physically prepared to tee it up against elite competition like this, where I'm a little bit confused.


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[Assistant] After his weekend rounds of 82 and 77 and keep in mind he was just outside the top 20.


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[Assistant] After 36 holes when the cut was made was that when he was talking about Valhalla, when he was talking about Pinehurst, it certainly at least sounds as you sit here on April 14th that he is going to try and play the next major championship in a month's time that his answer.


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[Assistant] Is how is that the answer continually to this? Is to just keep getting stronger. You were in the Bahamas for the Hero World Challenge. That is as optimistic as we've seen and heard Tiger in a long time. He did not have many physical ailments that kept him from playing in that golf tournament, ended up finishing 18th out of 20 players. How are we now at that point, four months later,


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[Assistant] Five and a half competitive rounds later, where it looks like he's broken again.


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[Assistant] Shouldn't he, if anything else, shouldn't he be dialing back?


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[Assistant] The gym sessions, to take stress off of his body, it seems like he's pushing himself to the extreme, and this is, this is the byproduct of it. I mean, this is the first time he has completed all 72 holes in an official event in 14 months. He has barely played at all.


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[Assistant] Since the hero world challenge and this is what he looks like. To me that's the most pessimistic part.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's a podcast first. Thinking of very fit golfers. Probably a natural transition then, Rex. 2-1 Roy McElroy. Ends up in a tie for 22nd. Now more than 10 years removed.


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[Assistant] To try and complete the fourth and final leg of the career Grand Slam outside of a second round 77 when again the difficult, the conditions were insanely difficult.


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[Assistant] What do you take out of another mist for Rory McRoy at Augusta National?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think the process was necessarily the issue here.


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[Assistant] Heading into the Masters, the idea being, hey, let's, let's, let's get some reps. Let's see where my game is. And then hopefully by the time you get to mid March or the beginning of April, you just sort of maintain for the rest of the major season and you're always in contention. So the, I think the planning was good. It's clear that the execution.


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[Assistant] Has not been. As good as Roy McRoy looked at his first two events of the year in Dubai, it's clearly been a struggle over the past couple months. And I think if anything,


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[Assistant] This Masters tournament was, was, was proof that the guys who played well and the guys who finished the best were the ones who had an uncluttered mind.


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[Assistant] Are, are searching, or were, to use Kyle Morikawa's phrase from, from Monday, a little iffy with their confidence. We saw that with Morikawa in the final round shooting 74 and getting out sharp shoot, arc sharp, nope, out sharp shooted.


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[Assistant] Definitely should not have tried that one. Xander Schauffele, who is in the midst of a swing change with Chris Como and his father, not able to muster a run on Sunday. And now we see


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[Assistant] Roy McElroy shooting 73 in the final round, also the 77 where he was exposed in the very difficult conditions to fall outside the top 20. I mean, it's, it's really hard to come to Augusta National when you're not in full command of your shots. You can hold together for 36 holes. You may even be able to hold it together for 54 holes.


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[Assistant] But to do it and to compete against a player who's playing at Scottie Scheffler's caliber and level right now, it's a really tall ask. And would you hold it on with Band-Aids?


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[Assistant] Full swing in the season two, but they pitted Roy McRoy and Brooks Koepke at this sort of faux rivalry.


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[Assistant] That they have in the race to get a fifth major championship, which Brooks obviously did at the PGA, but there was one poignant moment. I actually believe.


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[Assistant] It was at the PGA Championship, so a month later than this. So Roy misses the cut at the Masters, right? Goes to the PGA, uh, he just, he just skipped Hilton Head to try and take a sort of mental reset, finish this inside the top 10, but doesn't really factor at Oak Hill. And there's a moment with his manager


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[Assistant] And Catty Harry Diamond, where Rory essentially admits that his game and his swing are not in a place where he can access that next leveling.


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[Assistant] There was exasperation, there was frustration. I do wonder with how much Rory is going to be playing.


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[Assistant] Over his next month or two, if he will reach that breaking point again.


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[Assistant] If he will come to some realization that I'm 34 years old or he turns 35 next month.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm squandering the best years of my career. Do I need to seek another direction?


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[Assistant] Like Scotty Scheffler, who has used Randy Smith his entire career, Roy McRoy has been with his boyhood coach, Michael Bannon, who's not living in the United States, who we see sparingly throughout the course of the calendar year. Does Rory blow it all up?


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[Assistant] To try and squeeze two or three more really profitable years in the major championships. I hope he doesn't.


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[Assistant] Because if you look at what he has done in the major championships.


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[Assistant] Over the past two or three years, I forget what the status, but I think it was like nine of his last ten have resulted in top ten finishes. This obviously was one for the worst as well as the miscut last year at Augusta National.


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[Assistant] If he continues to put himself in the positions, you would think one would break his way.


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[Assistant] Including last year at the US Open did not do much wrong and finished the shot behind Wyndham Clark. But I do wonder Rex, will there be a tendency


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[Assistant] Uh, his sports psychologist, Julie Elion's work is probably cut out for her.


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[Assistant] I think he did say though, all the right things, at least when meeting with us, maybe he beats himself up a little bit more on Sunday night. Although I don't think he really will in that, you know, for, for the past four days, he has at least been in or around the Lee.


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[Assistant] And you know, he did not record a birdie for 32 holes. He made a couple of mistakes on the second on that cost him some momentum here at Augusta national, but I don't think he necessarily.


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[Assistant] That he's a more complete golfer and he is at least ready to more consistently contend.


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[Assistant] And a major championship that he was even, even a year ago. You know, the top 10 finish at the open championship last year, uh, and now a tie for third, uh, at the masters. Uh, he's certainly trending in the right direction. But I think as we tie this all together with the Sky Shuffler, he said, it's, it's bittersweet. Maxoma said, leaving the golf course tonight.


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[Assistant] Because I feel accomplished, but I also feel like in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really mean anything.


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[Assistant] Essentially, I still lost and I still lost by seven shots to an incredible golfer who is absolutely going nowhere.


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[Assistant] Any parting thoughts, Rex, from Augusta National as we wrap up this recap podcast.


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[Assistant] On Thursday and Friday. I mean, Masters veterans were saying they can't ever recall.


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[Assistant] Blowing out of the bunker. That was certainly severe. I don't think anyone necessarily wants to see that. It's obviously great theater. We enjoyed it. Ratings were up. It's great to write about carnage in that sort of setting.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I'm, I'm with you on the weekend. I thought it was perfect. Sky Scheffler shot one of the rounds of the day in 68. He went and won the Masters. No one lost it. Sky Scheffler went out and won the Masters. And that's exactly what you want to see. I think big picture.


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[Assistant] With the game of golf, Rex is the first time that all of the best players in the world, minus Taylor Gooch, of course, who thought that this would have an asterisk attached to it.


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[Assistant] Uh, reconvened for the first time in eight or nine months since the open championship. That felt like a win. It felt like a big tournament. It felt like everyone was here. It felt like people were engaged. It felt like people were watching. It felt like people cared. It felt like something significant was being undertaken because it was because no one, absolutely no one.


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[Assistant] Ask Scotty what he thought about earning 3.6 million dollars here on Sunday night at Augusta National. When legacy is attached, when history is at stake, when there is meaning and significance to the proceedings, that is when golf is at its best. I thought Sunday was a perfect showcase for that.


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[Assistant] Having four extraordinary players tie for the lead with 11 holes to go in the most important tournament individually that we have in the game of golf. I thought it was a great week. I'm tired. I'm ready to file this last column.


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[Assistant] And drink a beer and head home on Monday night. But all in all, I do think this was a win. 20th Masters for you. How will you remember it?


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[Assistant] Absolutely is. Uh, I don't think there's a better example.


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[Assistant] He'll be a great father as well, but a very deserving Masters champion. To be sure, shout out Ghost, who covered his 46th Masters tournament this year. Always great catching up with him.


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[Assistant] I cannot thank you guys enough for listening all week to these golf channel podcasts with Brexan Lab. We love bringing these mini pods to you each and every night from the biggest events.


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[Assistant] In the sport, we really appreciate all the downloads, all the views on YouTube and all of the support. Thanks for saying hi all week at Augusta national as well. We will be doing it again next month.


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[Assistant] From Valhalla for the PGA Championship, we'll bring one to you each and every tournament round as well. That's gonna do it for this edition of the Golf Shadow Podcast with Rex and Lab. We'll be back on Wednesday where Rex will be in Hilton Head.


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[Assistant] For the start of the RBC Heritage, yet another signature event.


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[Assistant] On the PGA Tour, we'll have a full preview there and any, including anything else we missed over the past couple days. Thanks as always for listening. Talk to you in a couple days.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. It's Friday night, Wyndham Clark.


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[Assistant] Has staked himself to a four-shot lead at the halfway point of this player's championship.


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[Assistant] Newsy Day here at TPC Sawgrass. Wyndham's back to back 65s. Scotty Schaeffler's neck issue. Roy McRoy's backtrack in the second round. But first, Rex, a pretty significant development. You did not touch it, touch on it on live from what we will on this very podcast as first reported by Golf Week and confirmed by us.


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[Assistant] Members of the PGTOR Policy Board have been encouraged to meet with Yasser al-Rumai, the Governor of the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia. Rex, it was Webb Simpson last week at Bay Hill.


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[Assistant] Who expressed at least some surprise that the players hadn't yet been involved to this point in the proceedings and the negotiations with the PIF. What's your read on what this means now that they're being encouraged to do so?


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[Assistant] Is there anything more awkward, Rex, than trying to grab a player after he just missed the cut?


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[Assistant] For something that's kind of tangential to the actual golf performance. Like you're sitting there, fingers crossed. Webb Simpson has a six footer for birdie. If he makes it, he makes the cut. If he misses it, he is heading home.


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[Assistant] He still was on this, on this front. I did, did confirm some details of it on he went.


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[Assistant] Into the night, uh, to, to your point, Rex, I understand that the PJ tour players are not.


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[Assistant] We're not hammering out the terms here. They're not, they're not, they're not in the room negotiating this billion dollar deal potentially. And they shouldn't be. And they shouldn't be. But I, I, I agree with you that I still think this is an important and a necessary step. The fact that they can now look yassir in the face and ask, what is it that you actually want?


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[Assistant] You know, do you care about the future of the PG Tour? Do you wanna take it over? Can you, can you part with, with team golf? How essential is that to you?


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[Assistant] That the players actually get into the room and meet with representatives from the PIF. And this is obviously the big dog. I agree with you. Uh, and just to put a fine point, I think it's a positive development that underscores the desire.


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[Assistant] Sausage fingers up, which means the floor is yours.


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[Assistant] And look, I think it's sometimes forgotten that the players are the product here. You can hammer out the billions of dollars that are going to be, but there is no product worth investing in if the players are not involved, if the players are not kind of creating


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[Assistant] Potentially could be, I think, a really awesome product in the next couple years. We've had so much turmoil over the past couple years, so much division. I think both products, as we discussed in the preview podcast, are suffering at the current moment. But there is potential in a year.


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[Assistant] Or two years, or something really awesome can emerge. I agree, this is a very positive step.


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[Assistant] How about Rex, the players championship? It was also a newsy day on that front as well. I think we first start not actually with Wyndham Clark.


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[Assistant] And his neck started getting worked on, uh, by a PG Tour masseuse on the 12th hole, 14th hole, 16th hole, and it continued throughout the rest of the round. Sky Scheffler.


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[Assistant] Still played pretty well. So she had a couple under par. He still is within shouting distance of Wyndham Clark, but...


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[Assistant] Scottie did not speak with the media afterward, went to get more treatment, uh, Ted Scott is caddy, uh, stiff army, uh, an aggressive Heisman pose,


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[Assistant] Uh, to get more details on that front as well, but to you, Rex, how much of a concern is Scottie's neck issue as we turn towards


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[Assistant] The only reason I wrote the story because there was, this is, the Valspar represented Tiger's last realistic chance to get a tune-up start ahead of the Masters.


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[Assistant] He's never played Houston. He hasn't played Texas Open since 96. He obviously is not going to play the week before the Masters. I don't know. It was just, it was wishful thinking. Instead, Tiger Woods, 15 time major champion is going to be showing up at Augusta National with one and a half competitive rounds officially under his belt in 2024. Podcast for another day. This is a May 5th.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was certainly disappointing just because it seemed like Scotty was going to be in full flight as you mentioned, like he hit it to three feet on the opening hole and looked like he was going to be off to the races. He said it really affects him on his takeaway. It's his left.


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[Assistant] And it's there and it, and it feels a little bit of a twinge in his neck. Like he still shot 69. He still has a great opportunity to win this golf tournament. He's six shots back heading into the weekend and you look at the way that he played.


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[Assistant] On Friday, maybe he was not 100%. Uh, we talked about a live from he was swinging two to four miles per hour on average club head speed a little bit slower and yet he still missed just three fairways. He still missed just four greens in regulation. As I mentioned, he still shot 69 late tee times for the third round. Now that we've had daylight savings time and so he's essentially going to have


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[Assistant] About 24 hours to get right, to get treatment. I really don't think, I'm assuming this is not some sort of structural issue, I really don't think it should be that big.


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[Assistant] Of an obstacle for him. I think the bigger obstacle, Rex, is the deficit that he's facing with six shots and also the player that he's going to have to hunt down, the very player that he beat last week at Bay Hill, and that's Wyndham Clark. What stood out to you about his back-to-back 65 here to open up a pretty comfortable set, a pretty comfortable cushion?


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[Assistant] Fascinating what you call Wyndham Clark, the most dominating player on the planet.


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[Assistant] He does not have as many wins as John Rahm has had. Uh, he does not have as many wins as Scotty Scheffler's had. Heck, he doesn't even have as many wins as Joaquin Nieman has had.


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[Assistant] Okay, he still, he still is not dominant. I think, if he's not dominant, I think he has proven himself, Rex, to be, I think I call him a big game hunter on Thursday's podcast. Like all he's doing now is showing up.


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[Assistant] In big events. You look at what he's done in 2024. He won Pebble with a short in the 54 holes. He finished second at Bay Hill and now he's doing what he's doing here at the PGA Tours flagship event. I found it interesting and I wrote tonight on NBC Sports.


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[Assistant] Uh, dot com slash golf. How much Wyndham Clark has been pushed.


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[Assistant] By Scotty Scheffler. Scotty's excellence. Scotty's consistency. Wyndham popped up and had a career year.


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[Assistant] For sure, for sure. Like it's been a, it's a very interesting contrast.


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[Assistant] And the two players, Scottie is the best player, Tita Green, uh, since peak Tiger Woods, but.


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[Assistant] But Wyndham Clark is much longer off the tee, you know, averaging 15 yards longer than Sky Shetler. He's a much better putter as we've seen, not just over the course of these first 36 holes, but over the course of their careers. Like Wyndham Clark has always been a top tier putter. And so you, you combine that length.


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[Assistant] Uh, with, with his proficiency on the greens and now the missing piece is Wynton Clark has talked incessantly as was showcased in the full swing documentary on Netflix. The self-belief.


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[Assistant] And the confidence in the mental game is really what has taken his game to the next level. Wyndham Clark was always a standout junior player.


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[Assistant] He was a co-co-co-college player of the year with Sam Burns at Oklahoma State and finally at Oregon during his senior year.


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[Assistant] The fact that he couldn't get there and attain that level of success as a Pidgeot Tour player really, really tore at him, really gnawed at him. And it took him three or four years before he ended up linking up with Julian Leon to really kind of access his enormous gifts. It's a lot of fun, I think.


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[Assistant] To watch a player who's 30 years old and is now coming to into his own and watching him kind of embrace these big stages as he has done here, including at the players championship. Rex, what the heck happened to Rory? What happened to your boy? He shot 73. He declined to talk to the media. He's now eight shots back. Were we too quick to anoint him as back?


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[Assistant] Is the exact same number of birdies that Wyndham Clark has made, and yet he's eight shots back.


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[Assistant] He always has been. I think that's what makes him such a fascinating player.


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[Assistant] I think it's fun to see a player coming into his own. I don't think he's necessarily a dynamic player. I think it's fun to see a player coming into his own and thrive on the big stages.


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[Assistant] It's, it's like quintessential post 2014 Rory. When we still think of Rory in, in, in 2011, 2012, 2014, he had it down here in 2013, but 2014, like the dominant Rory, the Rory that could blow the doors off a tournament. This is, this is the Rory who we saw.


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[Assistant] Uh, missing both directions. And this was, this was actually.


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[Assistant] I was thinking this in my head and I feel bad that I didn't verbalize it because I actually was thinking it. That when you have these two swing thoughts as Roy has had, and let's have some context here, that Roy McRoy is driving the ball as well as he ever has in his entire career and quite possibly one of the best.


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[Assistant] Yes. Entering this week, he was driving the ball as well as he ever has in his entire career.


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[Assistant] In one of the best driving periods we've seen in the history of the PGA Tour. And yet he arrived here at TPG Sawgrass adamant and insistent that he was going to figure this out and create this driver swing and the iron swing. Well, it's clear that


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[Assistant] The iron swing and the thought he has may have now infected what was actually working so well with his driver. For the first time in ages, I don't have the stats in front of me, he is actually losing strokes off, off the tee.


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[Assistant] To the field roy mackerel is losing strokes off the tee to the field you couple that with some really poor scrabble just three of ten hit for fewer greens and they did on friday it was definitely a setback understandably incredibly frustrated second round.


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[Assistant] At the players championship. Do you think we're going to have another situation like 2018? Remember, Webb Simpson was five shots clear at the halfway point. Increase that to seven and then Sunday was an absolute snooze. Or do you think of Xander Chauflay? You think of Nick Taylor? You think someone like Maverick McNeely, uh, can pop up as Scottie Scheffler?


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[Assistant] Once he gets right, you think he could pop up, uh, and make this, make this a tournament.


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[Assistant] No, and like, I actually, I went back and looked at my Web Simpson one. I was actually pretty proud of that one. It's back on Mother's Day. Good little story. I think everyone got another honorable mention in the writing contest. No one, no one gets, no one gets more honorable mentions than me.


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[Assistant] The smartest athlete I have ever covered in my journalism career.


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[Assistant] In this third front round live from did a breakdown of the swing changes that he's undergoing on Thursday and they showed him, uh, kind of.


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[Assistant] Burning the midnight oil with his swing coach Chris Como on the range afterward. Xander's really the only mistake that he had.


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[Assistant] In the second round was a terrible swing on 11, the par 5 where he's, he's thinking eagle.


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[Assistant] Instead makes double, otherwise he was incredibly solid, uh, from tee to green. I, I just wonder what swing changes that he's undergoing now, if he can hold up in crunch time with the pressure. He's not won in nearly two years on the PGA tour. I think it's also an interesting contrast. It serves with those two players with, with Xander Chauflay, who's obviously very technical at this point.


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[Assistant] Trying to really implement these changes. And Wyndham Clark, who is, who is free, his mind is uncluttered. He hasn't worked with a swing coach for years. Uh, I think it's, it's a very interesting contrast. And as of right now, as we sit here on Friday night, I think I know who I would trust more in crunch time.


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[Assistant] Uh, with, with the pressure at its, its highest. Right now it would be Wyndham Clark. Gotta be Wyndham. But I think Saturday would go a long way towards telling us if that is actually true.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. As always, this one went longer than we were intending, but there was a little bit of news.


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[Assistant] With the secret meeting that is apparently not so secret anymore, but for more information, you guys know the drill. Make sure to go to NBCsports.com slash golf for all of Rex and mine's latest updates on Saturday. You and I will be doing a little dance at 1115 AM Eastern time. If you folks want to catch that as well. In the meantime, thank you guys as always for listening for the support. Robbie, we loved you.


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[Assistant] Thanks for coming to meet us today. Any other fans who's at TPC Saga, Rex and I would love to see you.


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[Assistant] We do appreciate the support. As always, we'll talk to you guys in 24 hours. See you then. Pray for me in the morning.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. Day one of the Player's Championship is in the books and folks, it certainly appears


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[Assistant] We've got a doozy underway. Three of the top six players in the official World Golf Rankings. Please.


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[Assistant] Take your commentary for the OWGR until after this podcast is over. But Roy McRoy, Xander Shofley and Wyndham Clark.


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[Assistant] Are tied for the lead at the PJ Tours flagship event here at TPC Sawgrass after opening seven under sixty fives. That's pretty stacked leaderboard you have.


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[Assistant] Phoenix Open winner Nick Taylor up there, uh, former U.S. Open champion, uh, Mappets Patrick, also a shot back and of course, world number one Sky Sheffler, fresh off last week's victory at Bay Hill, just two shots behind as well. What stood out from day one?


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[Assistant] Rory himself said today he did not know what to expect and he was coming to the golf course with zero expectations. So I think his guess was just as good as ours was going to be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this was actually like a much needed reprieve from all the talk about billions and the Saudis and improving the product. Like we have not had a good old fashioned rules controversy.


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[Assistant] In a very long time. And it, and it always seems to bubble up here. Does it not, Rex? At TPC Sawgrass. Remember a couple years ago, I think it was actually Victor Hovland was also involved in that one with Daniel Berger, obviously the infamous one with Tiger Woods and Casey Wittenberg back in 2013. Rory himself said this golf course is just more conducive.


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[Assistant] To those types of situations for whatever reason. I think there's a lot of.


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[Assistant] The play, if you're Roy Mackerel, you have to feel phenomenal walking off the golf course today. He is arguably driving.


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[Assistant] the ball as well as he ever has in his entire career. And yet as we're recording this podcast, he's currently 109th.


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[Assistant] In the field, strokes gained off the tee of 143 players who are currently playing uh, uh, Tom Kim WD because of illness.


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[Assistant] Earlier today, you mentioned the two tee shots. 18 was certainly a surprise. We were thinking this is, he's potentially going to tie the, the nine hole scoring record at TPC Sawgrass on the back nine with a 29 and said he kind of ropes it. And you're exactly right where that was the situation where he, he,


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[Assistant] Was, was pretty sure where we crossed, consulted with the rest of his playing partners, ended up having, what, 280, uh, into the, the whole first third shot, ended up hitting it up on the green and making bogey. As you mentioned, Rex, the, the big controversy, and I think the story of day one,


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[Assistant] Was what transpired on the 7th hole, Roy's 16th of the day. According to Roy McCrory, he said he was quote adamant that his ball hit above the penalty area and then kicked back in.


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[Assistant] Because it potentially would have been a 250 yard difference, roughly, between where Rory was going to be dropping, uh, where he thought, and if he didn't wear it exactly crossed.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure, Rex, who, who you think was in, was in the right here. Obviously, Spieth has a right to protect himself, protect the field. Uh, Rory was certainly defending himself as well. But reading the transcript, listening to Rory again, Jordan Spieth literally ran.


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[Assistant] He was running away to whatever the case may be, and Victor Hovland, who actually uh, double bogeyed his last hole of the day, declined to speak.


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[Assistant] With the media as well, but who do you think, was anyone in the wrong here? Rex, do you think the right ruling was administered on this one?


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[Assistant] Exactly, if you're hearing from the spotter, if you're hearing from some random fan, if you're hearing from a media member, if you're hearing from a TV guy who just happened to be in the area and they say that it hit.


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[Assistant] That's not good enough. It needs to come from the, from the fellow playing competitor and both Jordan Spieth and Victor Hovland both said either some variation of I have no idea or I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] In the absence of concrete video evidence, that's not, that's not good enough to go for, and the tie essentially goes to, to Roy McRoy. How much recs do you read into the situation between these two personalities? If you recall, you cover the tournament.


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[Assistant] At Pebble Beach, there was a little bit of a back and forth between what Roy said to the media, what Spieth said, Roy removed himself from the star player group chat. Do you think that factored into any of the contentiousness that we saw unfold in the seventh hole?


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[Assistant] Uh, another media member brought up just, just kind of the backdrop between those two players in particular. Those two players between Jordan Spieth and Roy Mackle, they had the, I would call it the testiest exchange where Jordan said everyone, quote, everyone here, uh, saw that it, that it bounced below the red line and Roy shot back. Well, who's everybody Jordan?


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[Assistant] And he kind of capitulated at that point. Just to put a fine point on this, Rex, I know we need to keep this podcast moving along. Roy MacRoy still made double bogey.


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[Assistant] But on this whole, it wasn't like he, he escaped with a par and now there's, there's this, you know, this, this mystery that's, that's, that's, that's shrouding his opening 65 here. Like he, he was still properly penalized.


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[Assistant] Uh, for what was a, a poor shot and listening to Roy McRoy afterward, he is convinced that he did the right thing and there should be, uh, that, that should be kind of the end of the controversy here. He said he's one of the most conscientious golfers on, on the PGA Tour. He knows that


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I think we're really poised for a spectacular weekend here, not just because the star players, but also the course conditions. It hasn't rained.


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[Assistant] Uh, and essentially five days here now, so I think the course will continue to dry out. The wind's supposed to pick up. I was a little disappointed that it's still as soft and as receptive as the golf course is. You saw a lot of shots ripping off the fronts of the greens, which was a little bit surprising, just considering the conditions that we've had. I also think you see a more user-friendly


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[Assistant] Tipsy sawgrass there's some rough colors that have been built up kind of shielding the players from from any potential.


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[Assistant] Right before you get to the bulkhead and dropping into the water on 12, that's another hole where if you miss left, you could potentially run it in the water as well. It just seems.


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[Assistant] A little bit more user friendly, a little bit more receptive than perhaps we would.


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm, I'm very, Rex, encouraged, heartened by this leaderboard. We've, we've spent a lot of time on this podcast over the past couple of months and lamenting the fact that, that the best players have not performed well in the biggest events on the biggest stages. And right now we have Wyndham Clark, who's


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[Assistant] That you could possibly imagine. Did not do anything particularly spectacular and yet you look up and he's five under par, just two shots back. I saw nothing from Scotty in the opening round to think.


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[Assistant] Uh, that this would not be his title to defend.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean that's exactly what I saw and I was struck by the fact that Cate Sheffler essentially did not miss any shot.


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[Assistant] From right to left and to see the shot that Scotty pulled off, he kind of downplayed it, uh, in, in his, in the media flash area.


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[Assistant] He played it, he clipped it perfectly, uh, he clearly caught it well, uh, underneath the branch, kinda cut it against the right to left fairway on a shot that was pretty dangerous. He starts it left and cuts it back, it ended up


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[Assistant] Finishing the ball finished really close to the house a lot, but it was never in serious danger. And of course, guy did.


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[Assistant] What's guy does while chipping it to five feet and then making the par saver to cap his 67. But I think in talking to a swing coach, Randy Smith.


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[Assistant] After after round it can get monotonous what sky shuffler does where he's missing just two fairways he's essentially hitting it to inside twenty five feet every single shot with his approach play but anytime. It it it waivers from.


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[Assistant] But I think if you were going to attend the players championship, Scottie Scheffler would be 1B to go who you want to go watch. Roy McIlwain's driving is spectacular. I would highly encourage everyone to see it in person for themselves. But seeing the shot quality of a Scottie Scheffler is remarkable.


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[Assistant] In person, the high hands, the footwork, the left to right, the right to left, the high low. He could do everything. And especially when you get him out of position, he's got that creative imagination as well.


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[Assistant] If Bay Hill was not the aberration, if he actually has found a putter and found this new routine by not lining up the ball.


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[Assistant] Uh, and if the changes with the setup that he's been working with Phil Kenyon are taking hold, man.


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[Assistant] Scary. Scotty could rip off easily 4-6 wins by the time the Tour Championship rolls around in late August. Rex, before we get out of here real quick, what's one thing you're most curious to see unfold Friday at the Players?


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[Assistant] For a weekend shootout. For me, Rex, that story, uh, is Victor Hovland. The reigning FedExCup champion has been awfully quiet. Has done virtually nothing.


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[Assistant] for the first three months of the season. Uh, live from I thought did a great breakdown of him with all these contraptions, all these gadgets, really working hard Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday with his new swing coach Grant Wade. He cycled through swing coaches in his young career, but this one seemed particularly curious how Joe Mayo took him to FedExCup champion playing the best golf of anyone in the world.


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[Assistant] Abandon that method and now it seems like he's back at square one with his chipping. His ball striking is a mess. He's out to the top 100 here in approach and I think that's, you know,


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[Assistant] A lot of the frustration. I don't think it was necessarily the, the Roy McRoy drop incident that's caused Victor to storm out of here. It's the fact that he has, has had it with this sort of play over the first three months. I think examining that is a good story for me to dive into a sneak preview for mbsports.com slash golf.


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[Assistant] There's a difference between curiosity and self-destruction. And that's a path that I look forward to digging into.


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[Assistant] At the players championship. Rex, you have a hit to do thus the shirt and tie. Sorry to disappoint.


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[Assistant] The, uh, many YouTube commenters, uh, on Wednesday who were very impressed, uh, with how dapper we looked. I'm just in the lowly girlfriend or scribe after transitioning, uh, out of my suit and tie as well for our early live from, I'm not invited for good reason into the evening, uh, live from, uh, Rex, I know you've got a hit to do. What are you going to be talking about?


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[Assistant] I'm sure that will be cut and trimmed and slapped all over mpsports.com slash golf. You guys know the drill. Head there for all of your players' championship needs. We'll be back again 24 hours from now to recap the second round.


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[Assistant] Uh, from TPC Sawgrass. As always, we appreciate the support. Thanks as always for listening. Make sure you check out Golf Channel for everything else. See you guys in 24 hours.


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[Assistant] Hello and welcome into this edition of the Golf Channel Podcast with Rex and Lav. Well that was unexpectedly wild week in the world of golf. Anthony Kim resurfaces, Nick Dunlap turns pro and a Frenchman wins on tour in what continues to be Rex, the year of the long shot. You are back from Connecticut and all packed up for Pebble Beach.


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[Assistant] Not even a professional TV person, David Hacklick. He cut his teeth just as you and I have cut our teeth. Newspapers, magazines, uh, and now, uh, I'm with ya, uh, absolutely one of my favorite coworkers here at Golfshelves and I have enough great things to say. Hopefully you did not do, Rex, all of your sightseeing in Connecticut since you will be back.


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[Assistant] Just a couple weeks time, uh, Genesis Invitational Week where I'll be on site.


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[Assistant] At revere hopefully you left at least something to do.


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[Assistant] Over the next couple of weeks real quick as this is the first week that will be doing the wednesday podcast as well in addition to the sunday record.


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[Assistant] Uh, over the next couple of days, we could have some updates on both the PGA Tours deal with the Strategic Sports Group, as well as, finally, uh, the final Liv roster for 2024, as our season does kick off this week at Mayakoba. Speaking of which, somehow, somehow, speaking of Liv, Anthony Kim. Anthony Kim has not played since 2012, he's actually barely been seen


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[Assistant] Since 2012 and yet, uh, as golf.com first reported and then was backed up.


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[Assistant] Uh, by our buddy Bulldog, Mark Schleybaugh of ESPN.


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[Assistant] Anthony Kim is at least in discussions with both the PG Tour and Liv about making a professional comeback. Rex, what are your initial impressions of that report?


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[Assistant] What a story. It does seem like with each year that passes.


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[Assistant] Like his accomplishments, his notoriety, like it seems to get exaggerated.


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[Assistant] With time, like we are talking about a three time.


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[Assistant] Actually, compared to his Pigeon Torpeers, like, he's almost past his prime.


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[Assistant] The, the prime for, for PJ Tour players keeps getting younger and younger. You're probably in that 28 to 32 sweet spot, uh, if you're in your athletic prime and he is, he is well past that. And so does he still have the goods to compete against the world's best? Uh, I'm probably skeptical and the skeptic in me also wonders, why now?


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[Assistant] Why now at this point would he want to return to professional golf? In both of those reports,


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[Assistant] Golf.com and ESPN, uh, they outline how the sticking point.


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[Assistant] Is Anthony Kim's insurance policy reportedly valued somewhere between 10 and 20 million dollars if he were to make a return.


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[Assistant] To competitive golf you would have to pay all or most of that back and so in that sense i know you're not interested in where anthony can lands in that sense though live golf does make.


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[Assistant] A lot of sense for Anthony Kim. A, they can give him a lot of the money upfront. B, he can play as much or as little as he wants as one of their wild card picks. And C, he's guaranteed, as long as he tees it up,


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[Assistant] He's guaranteed to make at least $200,000 per appearance because that is last place money on live golf. And so that side of the equation makes a lot of sense. But if you're the PJ Tour, I mean, you desperately want AK back.


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[Assistant] As well, they have lost a lot of personalities, Rex, over the past couple years to live golf. Whether it's Bryson, whether it's Brooks, whether it's Phil.


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[Assistant] Whether it's kind of the villain figure of Sergio Garcia or Patrick Reed, they all have, I would say varying degrees of competitiveness at this point.


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[Assistant] But there's no discounting that people at least had opinions about those players and they wanted to see them for, for, for better or for worse. And I would put AK in that same category as well.


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[Assistant] Years ago, uh, our friend Ryan French of Monday, uh, QInfo, uh, he, he, he, he backed up his reporting, said he was incorrect, and that was actually from five years ago.


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[Assistant] At the Madison club, so it was not, that was not a recent swing video, but by all indications, he is, he is ramping up his training.


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[Assistant] You know, really enjoyed watching Anthony Kim when I was growing up and just getting into golf media. Like I started in 2010 and he was already off the tour by 2012, so I didn't even really cross paths in that respect. Like you, you, you want to cover Anthony Kim's comeback?


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[Assistant] But as a golf fan, I'm not sure you actually want him to come back. He has like this cult hero status. He, he, it's only been exaggerated over time. If this, if he comes back and he plays poorly, like all of the childhood memories that we had from, from a decade or two ago, uh, I feel like there, there's a, there's a potential for this story.


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[Assistant] To just kind of peter out. I don't think that's fun for any golf fan. Like I'm not sure we actually want him to come back.


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[Assistant] He liked, I mean, he liked the fame, he liked the attention that was associated with it, but is, is he a Scottie Scheffler who plays every single day or Justin Thomas who has lived and breathed and slept golf for all of his 30 years on earth? Probably not. Different, different cats, different cats.


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[Assistant] Again, that's why I'm not sure we want him to come back. If he comes back and falls flat on his face, it's just kind of a sad ending to what has otherwise been.


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[Assistant] How about Rex, a player who will be?


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[Assistant] On the PJ tour this week is a full-fledged card-carrying member that of course is Nick Dunlap. You and I went deep on his decision last week on the podcast. I was one who even though I knew deep down he would be


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[Assistant] Uh, ridiculous to, to turn down the opportunities, both financial and playing over the next couple of months. Selfishly, I kind of wanted to see him return to college golf, uh, just because I thought that it potentially set him up longer term.


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[Assistant] Didn't happen that way. He said it was the easiest, hardest decision.


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[Assistant] He has ever had to make easy because he now is in signature events, uh, that lucrative series, uh, the second of which is this week at pebble beach for the remainder of the season. And he's exempt on tour through 2026, the hard part saying goodbye to his coaches, saying goodbye to his teammates at the halfway point.


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[Assistant] Of the season, but now Rex, that Nick Dunlap is on tour. That he is going to have.


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[Assistant] A full playing slate for the remainder of 2024. What do you think he can actually do now for the rest of this PG Tour season?


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[Assistant] Oh, she said that you, yeaah, that you, that you trashed our, uh, Georgia logoed golf cart. Uh, and she also took great offense that you called it a four-seater. Uh, what it is in fact, is a six-seater. It is great for the community.


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[Assistant] It was really, it was really tugging at him and you could tell that his life had just gotten, uh, uh, demonstrably changed overnight and I saw a great,


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[Assistant] Example on twitter where if you're if you're if you're a pre med student. Right and you saw someone suffer a heart attack on the street and you had to help resuscitate them you had to get him.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the EMT, uh, and you eventually save their life. And someone saw that. If a doctor saw that and said, you know what?


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[Assistant] You did a phenomenal job. We're making you a doctor right now. Pack up your stuff and let's go. Let's, let's, let's go to Phoenix.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna, we're gonna work at, we're gonna work at, uh, uh, some, some sort of hospital. Immediately.


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[Assistant] Your life had changed. You have friends, you have a, you have a routine, you have a schedule, you have goals, you have, uh, if, if you're, if you're a college student, you've got formals coming up, like there is everything that you wanna do


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[Assistant] Nothing, nothing in your mindset. I'm about to turn pro.


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[Assistant] Quite frankly, you're just, you're just not ready for that to happen. Now I did like the fact that Nick Dunlap pulled out of the farmer so he could make this decision, but look, he's, he's jumping headlong.


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[Assistant] into his career right now. I do think that there will be an adjustment period, just his life getting turned upside down. He's not going to be used to playing.


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[Assistant] Uh, this much because the college schedule just doesn't allow for that. Of course, as a essentially a rookie on the PJ tour, these are all courses that he's seeing for the first time. But I do think that this is kind of a different example, Rex, of why I'm kind of bullish on Nick Dumblap for the rest of the season, not just because he just won on the PJ tour, but the fact that


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[Assistant] When you look at the kids who are going to be turning pro after the NCAA championship in late May, early June, whether it's Michael Theorem Bjornsson, whether it's Gordon Sargent, those guys,


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[Assistant] The clock is already starting on them, where they have to take advantage immediately of the limited opportunities that they're going to have, either through sponsor exemptions, PGTour use status, whatever the case may be. That's not the case.


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[Assistant] For Nick Dunlap. He now has a cushion. He now has an opportunity to learn. If he posts a couple of T45s, I don't think anyone is going to particularly care. The rest of the season is gravy. It's a bonus. And I think that's very beneficial for a 20 year old coming out on the PJ tour at this point in time.


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[Assistant] He's maximum ball speed with the driver. He's a very good iron player. Uh, I think most notably about him.


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[Assistant] Uh, talking to some of, uh, his, his coaches, talking to some of his teammates, like this is one of the best putters they've ever seen. We obviously saw that with his record setting performance, uh, at PGA West, but I think that can, that can save him, uh, for some of these golf courses if his ball striking isn't quite up to snuff. He has just such a tidy short game. Uh, and so I do think there'll be.


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[Assistant] A little bit of a learning curve over the next couple of months, but it's going to be very fun to see him just as it's going to be very fun to see the Gordon Sergeants of the world and the Michael Theodore Bjornsons of the world as well.


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[Assistant] First month of the season on this Wednesday through Saturday schedule. And look, there's still going to be stuff that's going on.


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[Assistant] On Saturday, they have the college football playoff game, which ends the fall.


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[Assistant] On a Saturday, you're still going to have a wild card and the divisional round that's falling on Saturday. So there is going to be some conflict. I just don't see any PJ Tour, uh, event realistically going to a Tuesday through Friday.


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[Assistant] To avoid it outright because there's just, you're not just gonna get the attendance numbers on site that you really want to get, but to actually clear the deck on Sunday is just, it's phenomenal.


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[Assistant] To see. Now we did Rex have golf as we mentioned on Saturday and it was finishing up in prime time from Torrey Pines where you and I have spent a lot of time and an unlikely winner.


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[Assistant] With Matthew Pavon, it's actually a very good story. A journeyman type, 31 years old. He finally broke through at the Spanish Open last fall in what was his 185th career start.


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[Assistant] On the pj tour he then a couple months later all four of the last four holes in dubai to be among the top ten players on the race to buy standings to then earn his pj tour card all he's done. In twenty twenty four that was when his third career start.


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[Assistant] Uh, against a, uh, kind of an eclectic leaderboard on one of the PJ Tours most stout courses.


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[Assistant] What else stood out to you from the week, either from, uh, Pavan's performance or the rest of Elite Abortatory Pods?


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[Assistant] He could have bailed out right. Certainly. He could have, he could have bailed out right. Although, I mean, if he makes bogey.


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[Assistant] I just love the fact that he took it on. He had it in the exact spot that you need to that was going to feed towards the hole. He carried the water and he pulled it off. I mean that was a, I don't know about heroic, that was a phenomenal


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[Assistant] Golf shot. Under the circumstances, a guy who was in his very first


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[Assistant] Attempt trying to chase down a pj tour title the rough was insanely juicy and the muscle out of there in the absolute perfect spot. Golf shop when the when the when the shots of the year.


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[Assistant] He's a six time, he's a six time winner on the corn fairy tour.


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[Assistant] Uh, kind of that, that gray area for the, for their entirety, whether they, they move up, whether they move back. I, I do think there's the potential. 10 might be, 10 might be a little too many.


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[Assistant] I'd probably, I'd probably side with 5 and I could understand by some PGTour loyalists.


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[Assistant] Uh, our little, uh, our little, uh, fed up with PGTour leadership at this point because those guys have priority over the corn fairy tour.


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[Assistant] That was kind of one of the big sticking points at the beginning of the season. If you were one of the top ten European Tour players on the priority rankings, that was higher than the PGA Tour's own feeder system.


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[Assistant] In the corn fairy tour and those 30 graduates. Again, that's getting far too in the weeds, but Matthew Pavon's breakthrough at Torrey Pines, uh, well, Nikolai Holgard's runner up finish, I think was validation for this particular system. My big takeaway, actually I had two of them.


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[Assistant] Nikolai Hogard's a stud. I mean, Rasmus...


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[Assistant] His twin brother almost won on the DP World Tour in the exact same week. I love his swing. I love his game. I thought he was fantastic with Amanda Renner afterward going into it. I hadn't heard him in kind of a press conference setting all that much in my career. I was blown away.


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[Assistant] Uh, how articulate he was, how thoughtful he was, uh, you can tell kind of the hunger that resides, uh, within him. It's going to be great to see the Hogard twins both on the PJ tour, which I do think will happen as early as 2025, but he is, I think a great asset in just 22 years old due to stud. Also secondly, Rex,


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[Assistant] I really like toy pines. I'm not sure the architecture wonks like it. It probably is a little bit one dimensional. It's long. It's brutish. You have to kind of pipe it off the tee. But I really think it'd be a shame


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[Assistant] If this tournament lost some of its luster, it no longer draws a top field, even if it falls off, what could eventually be a PJ Tour slash World Tour concept. I think it's, I think it's one of the PJ Tour's best courses, uh, obviously the scenery.


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[Assistant] Is, is outstanding, but there's, there's a punishment in it, in a penalty.