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[Assistant] Ties and Westerners train their punches triggering from their shoulder.


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[Assistant] From, uh, they start with their hands in guard, and they lower their punch, and they punch out of their shoulder slot. And I'm like, is it just an introduction of how it came upon the realization?


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[Assistant] If you're somebody who's trying to fight in the pocket, or you're a forward fighting fighter, an aggressive fighter like Sylvia's constantly pushing forward, her hands are


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[Assistant] Always in a defensive position. She's defending herself.


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[Assistant] From strikes, because she's in striking range. And...


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[Assistant] They're not in the position from which they're, all her triggers are trained. Like on the pads and on the bag, everything is shoulder height.


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[Assistant] So the trigger of her punches is never pulled. Like it never happens.


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[Assistant] You're basically have two positions. One is an offensive position. One's a defensive position. And this is a, I think a huge, unconscious, unfortunate pattern that gets trained into a lot of people.


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[Assistant] It's super important, and this is the other piece of this, is that if you're looking to throw your hands, but you have to keep your hands where you're not protected, you will unconsciously position yourself further away from your target.


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[Assistant] So you will stand farther away, and then you will say to yourself, I'm too far to punch.


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[Assistant] This is the additional drawback, is like, when you're in guard, when your hands are in defensive position, you're like, my trigger to throw is not activated.


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[Assistant] When they're down, you instinctively move out of the pocket to be safe, and now you're like, my visual trigger to throw is not being activated.


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[Assistant] Because I can see I'm too far, I have to jump across basically.


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[Assistant] I'm kind of obsessed by this because now I've been starting looking at like, Thai boys training and...


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[Assistant] Fighters, golden age fighters fighting, and I'm like, who is throwing from guard and who is not?


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's a very big thing. So maybe you can talk about...


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[Assistant] Like, one, do you agree that this is a pretty good diagnostic of what's going on?


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[Assistant] Which is so crazy because it means you've trained for seven years on the pads, more or less.


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[Assistant] A series of triggers that will not be triggered in a fight.


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[Assistant] So you have a great body of personal experience and knowledge and skill built up, but it is inaccessible in the positions you find yourself.


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[Assistant] For people listening, it's a very high guard. Like, hands up on the brow.


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[Assistant] It's like cumbersome. You mean switching from offense to defense, offense to defense kind of?


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[Assistant] But also they hit you back and when they throw that, you raise your arm into guard. Like you go into defense. Which is not the same as your defensive guard position is your offensive trigger.


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[Assistant] It's a big, it's a really big deal. I keep coming in my mind, like, uhm, those old western shootouts where the people are behind boulders, like, pew pew, like,


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[Assistant] Out, away from the boulder in order to fire your gun, instead of hiding behind the boulder and shooting with very little exposed, you would never want to fire a shot.


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[Assistant] 100%. It's the same thing, that if you have to drop your hands in order to throw smooth, aggressive strikes,


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[Assistant] Your brain, like, I mean there's different kinds of people, different kinds of ways of going around this. But generally, if you have to expose your head in order to attack, you're instinctively not going to do it in various ways.


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[Assistant] But to me, they shouldn't even work together. They ha- they should be the same thing, especially for someone who's a Moikawa fighter like you, where you're in the pocket so much. You're like in the hitting zone so much. You're going to take max def- you're not even going to be defending yourself like this.


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[Assistant] At the jaw, you're going to be defending yourself high because of elbows and head kicks.


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[Assistant] You are going to have a max defense, max protect type defense very frequently. That hand position has to be the, the beginning position of a strike.


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[Assistant] And to me Sagat was the one who really drove it home where he like basically made the hand position, the beginning of a strike, the salute. And he's just like, you're saluting and then you just put your arms straight out in a punch, like...


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[Assistant] It's literally reaching forward from the salute position. And it's also how you could be the initial position for a clinch grab also. So someone wouldn't even know if you're throwing a punch or making a clinch grab.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, the closer you can get those positions, the more willing you will be to throw a punch. And I'm like, I think to myself also, we realized this, you were massaging Kero last night, and uh, your nose started bleeding. And it was like, I don't know, it was like an hour after your fight.


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[Assistant] And it was just because your head was like hanging low, like you were bent over and suddenly your nose started dripping a little bit. And I'm like, oh my god, that is...


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[Assistant] Maybe the first bloody nose you've had ever in a fight in over 250 fights. I'm like, one of the...


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[Assistant] Some qualities you have is that you're a really good defensive fighter. Not in some kind of slick, you can't touch me way.


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[Assistant] But you protect up really well. Like, you have been knocked to the canvas one time in over a thousand rounds.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I'm saying, you are...


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[Assistant] Everyone is trying to punch you in the, hit you in the center of the face. Like, the nose is the center of the face. You did early on, you suffered a broken nose. Was that twice or once?


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[Assistant] The fact that the center of your face in 250 plus fights


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[Assistant] You've only bled from it an hour after your last fight, like, your, your ability to defend yourself from frontal attack is way up there, especially because you fight, like, much bigger opponents, and I'm like,


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[Assistant] Okay, you've got your defensive instincts really good. You're Citadel.


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[Assistant] And it's crazy to me how much offense you've trained from a non-defensive position. And I don't think it's wasted. All that is there, but you have to, you have to like run new grooves.


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[Assistant] That connect up a new trigger point to those already learned skills.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I think to myself, like for people listening, I think people, uhm, who haven't thought as much as you, which is basically everyone,


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[Assistant] I think you can build up some really heavy head cases about yourself where you like


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[Assistant] You're throwing really nice on the pads and then you go and fight and you don't throw whatever it is, your right hand or whatever you're supposedly blessed with or good at.


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[Assistant] And your coach is like, why don't you throw it? Why don't you do this? Why don't you do that? And all you can do is feel really shitty about yourself. You're like, I don't know. I feel stressed. I feel afraid.


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[Assistant] But you need to do it all the time and I also think you need to do it exaggeratedly. You cannot inch up slowly higher and higher and higher. You have to start too high. Start your punches from too high on up.


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[Assistant] And watch the Sagat session, I think it's the third one where he really teaches this salute


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[Assistant] This punching salute is just like, it also makes your punch very hard to read and see. Like, it's a very efficient line of attack.


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[Assistant] Because it's not coming wide, it comes very direct. Uhm, it gives your opponent less time to react. But I'm, I'm still like...


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[Assistant] Caught up in this, like, the pain many people must feel of not understanding why they can punch on the pads in the bag and they won't punch in fights. And I think this is a huge fucking thing.


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[Assistant] I know, but I think people feel, they end up developing like a...


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[Assistant] A complex of negativity around something that they do well.


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[Assistant] And then there's another dimension of this, which is there's the story that ties don't have good hands, which is this like cliche. Kevin hates this. What?


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[Assistant] I hate this. But I'm gonna argue against myself on this. There is a long history of Thai


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[Assistant] World champions, uh, in boxing, western boxing. And, almost all of them are converts from Muay Thai. They, there's people like Weropon who had


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[Assistant] Great Muay Thai careers, and then went on to become like WBC champions. There's people like Char Chai Sasapun, who was like an average Thai fighter, Muay Thai fighter, went on to become WBC world champion. Like, fucking Thais have hands. This is the interesting thing. I think that in the golden age, the relationship between Western boxing and Muay Thai in camps was much closer that


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[Assistant] The cross-pollination between the two arts made it so


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[Assistant] Great Muay Thai fighters. Knew how to punch out of guard. Yea, as Muay Thai fighters.


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[Assistant] Like, they have this capacity, and I think that


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[Assistant] As time passed and there were certain gyms that had much closer relationship to Western, Western Boxing like Pet Yandhi.


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[Assistant] Set Yotong, good Sasaprapa apparently had a lot of boxers. Their Moi probably was much


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[Assistant] Much closer, like a more, uhm, robust synthesis of Western Boxing and Muay Thai. And there are probably other gyms which


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[Assistant] The lessons of western boxing. And this is one of them. I think that many ties don't have great hands because of this.


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[Assistant] They might have great hands on the pads, but they're punching from a low slot. They don't know how to punch from their guard. Like from the actual hand position of maximum defense straight into offense. Maximum defense straight into offense.


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[Assistant] Punch from a lower hand position with slipping and head movement, which doesn't really work that well.


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[Assistant] In Muay Thai because of elbows and knees. So there are, there are low slung boxing positions. But I think there's something for the Muay Thai fighter, especially if you're a forward fighter, you gotta learn that arm slot.


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[Assistant] The boxing arm slot of being able to punch from your, from your guard. And I think a lot of Muay Thai fighters today, ties, I'm talking about ties, don't have this for, because the pedagogy diverges. It's not a constant state of knowledge.


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[Assistant] If they originate here at the shoulder, these are probably not prodigious punchers, like they don't punch with power and precision.


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[Assistant] Uh, slot. I have a feeling your elbow has a chance of floating up there. You have the tie punch where the elbow starts chicken-winging, which means you actually, you might generate a lot of power, but you lose accuracy also. And accuracy, people tell us, like legends tell us, is way more important than power.


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[Assistant] If you've been with us this whole time, this is pretty awesome. Started like, in the middle of the day, it was like 2 o'clock, driving out of...


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[Assistant] The sun is going down if you're listening on audio. Headlights and taillights are all out. We've got like three more hours to our destination. We're not going to go for three more hours on the podcast. This is our last segment. But I fucking love that we can have these conversations and they can then be beamed all over the world and just


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[Assistant] Talk at length as we blabber away about the things that we think are important. Maybe you find some of them important too. I'm pretty excited by how the podcast has gone so far.


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[Assistant] If you don't follow everything on Patreon or silly's social media, the most fucking amazing thing happened in the world, which is...


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[Assistant] The greatest, possibly the greatest Muay Thai fight ever. Under some standards, which


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[Assistant] Between the fighter that most people call the GOAT, the greatest fighter ever, Samart Vaya Karun, and Diesel Noi Chor Thomas Sookarn,


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[Assistant] Who I think was the greatest female, uh, greatest Muay Thai fighter ever. So,


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[Assistant] Goat versus goat. This is probably, it's safe to say.


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[Assistant] The greatest FEMA fighter ever versus the greatest Moen Cal fighter ever.


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[Assistant] In his jocular, hilarious way that he has a way of talking. They're very good friends, by the way. This was a fight that happened in 1982, and it was lost to history. It was like...


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[Assistant] We had, we have connections to people that are in the collector world to some degree. We had no knowledge that this, that the video itself ever was even saved. That it even existed in any way. And I'm like,


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[Assistant] This was a fight that was just mythic in proportion.


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[Assistant] That no one, the only, we thought the only person who had, persons who had ever seen it were the people who were in the stadium.


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[Assistant] Poignancy of this fight, which has now been surfaced. It was...


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[Assistant] It was found by a patron of Sylvie's. So we're gonna talk a little bit about what it means to like, have our network of people, having brought this fight forward. Diesel Noi.


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[Assistant] Who beat everyone and ran out of opponents at the fucking, like, golden age peak. He had to retire when he was 24 years old.


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[Assistant] We'd heard how amazing he was. We, Sylvie's trained with him and she's filmed with him for the Muay Thai Library. But there existed no full fight footage of his actual fighting style.


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[Assistant] When he was at his prime, versus an elite talent, like a Thai talent.


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[Assistant] There were a couple minutes, uh, maybe a minute or so of him versus Nankai, who was a fighter of the year, and a couple seconds of him versus Sagat. But you actually, there was no fight to watch. There was just him doing pad work. And I'm like...


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[Assistant] In this fight, suddenly there is the...


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[Assistant] Full, it's like, you only saw dinosaurs.


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[Assistant] In reconstructed museums with bones or with modeling and then suddenly there's a living dinosaur.


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[Assistant] That's what Dizonoid means when he's like, keep doing this one thing or another when he's explaining a style. To actually see the whole fucking thing unveiled against one of the great fighters ever.


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[Assistant] Is so beautiful. And we're not gonna like break down what happened in the fight. We did a whole watch with me. As soon as we heard about the fight, we, uh,


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[Assistant] Got the footage and just did a watch with me and talked about our initial reactions about this thing. So maybe


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[Assistant] What does it mean to you to know that this fight is out there for people to see?


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[Assistant] By accident or on purpose and decision, who knows?


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[Assistant] Look what fucking got preserved. Now I don't know if it would, what would have happened to it if none of this had happened, if it would have been found and posted in some other way. It's possible, but it's also possible not. And this is one of the after effects of what talking about and celebrating these people


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[Assistant] Brains. It's just these accidental connections of people who also have passion for Muay Thai. And the history of it. And I'm like, God, if you ever met Diesel Noi, you'd be like,


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[Assistant] This is fucking unreal. And then to watch the fucking fight.


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[Assistant] You know, people, a lot of times, like, diminish DecentLine because they only, only had ever seen them do pad work.


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[Assistant] His entire career was assessed by, oh, he was really tall.


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[Assistant] Okay. And man, he was fierce on the pads. Like that's all you could fucking see. And he was fucking rude. In that video, he's fucking unreal on the pads. You're like, well, that's what he did. He was just tall and he fucking thrashed people. And then to see him against the most artful fighter ever?


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[Assistant] Be just fucking full of his own technique. His own adjustments. Adjustments to the adjustment. His own thinking style. Like...


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[Assistant] Was- is really fucking beautiful. It's like putting all the...


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[Assistant] It's like, I know you love this one. Oh, dinosaurs did have feathers.


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[Assistant] But seriously, it's like all the details of the living fighter, now there's, the real thing is there. Like,


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[Assistant] The truth of the matter is that the reason why we celebrate the fighters we do


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[Assistant] Because those are the fighters that made it to YouTube. Right. Like, it was like there was a mass extinction of dinosaurs. I'm gonna stay with this analogy.


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[Assistant] And only the bones of certain species survived. So, oh whatever bones we put in our museums, those are the famous dinosaurs of the dinosaur age.


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[Assistant] Also, the ones that fought westerners, because westerners were mostly interested in those that fought them, right?


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[Assistant] The judgements you pass on that fighter is from the two or three fights that even survived and made YouTube, but


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[Assistant] Let's say they lost to somebody on YouTube, but they fought them seven other times that you've never seen. But you make these deep...


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[Assistant] These deep, uh, assessments of somebody based on, here say, some very rough sketch of their career, and just little tiny pieces of what has survived. What made the museum. And this is what's fucking unreal about this fight. Is it, you put this fight in the museum.


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[Assistant] This fight now is in the museum. Not just now. Bugging 20 years from now, 30 years from now.


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[Assistant] This is the most, to me, one of the most incredible things about the thing is that you've filmed, we're about to put up a fourth


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[Assistant] Diesel noise session in the Moite Library. We've been trying to document. It's hard to document. He's very...


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[Assistant] And yeaah, it's pretty fucking cool. Like, your Mojtai library is a kind of museum. It's like, we've created a secondary museum as opposed to the YouTube fight museum.


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[Assistant] Which was like, if the fight made YouTube history, it will think about you. Well, you know what? We've created a different museum, which is the Muay Thai Library Museum, which is like people teaching their actual techniques.


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[Assistant] We have that done. You watch those four sessions. Then go watch the fight.


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[Assistant] Because then you see what he's, it's full-fledged talking about. Like, you see how it's done. What he's teaching, how it's done. Oh my god, it just like fills in so much gaps. I mean, of course, it would be great to have five fights from him.


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[Assistant] Ah man, it was really, and, you know what?


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[Assistant] It also puts a, I mean, we know that as a catch weight fight, we know that Diesel only cut a lot of weight and cut 19 pounds.


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[Assistant] It also sobererizes the great...


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[Assistant] Legend of Samark, to actually see him frustrated.


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[Assistant] And struggle against Moikau, like, unreal Moikau fighting. Because Samart, when we talk to Samart, he's like, I never lost to Moikau.


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[Assistant] Yea, but he, he doesn't even count that. Because, maybe because of the catch weight thing. In his mind, he never lost to Moikau.


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[Assistant] But you get to actually see him struggle against Moikawa.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it's an unusual fight. But that adds to like, the detail of what Moekimur is to, and what Summer is and was. Like, that's a blessing too.


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[Assistant] Like, it's awesome to be like, untouchable, highlight-real heroism. Like, I'll never forget, Samart do his like, little like, pullback sniff of that reverse kick by that French guy, he's like,


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[Assistant] Wow, some are fought like a lion. Because they can see what he was fighting against.


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[Assistant] And I, I don't know, that's a very beautiful thing to me also.


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[Assistant] The next year I think it was, yeaah. And then again, I think he fought it, he won it two more times.


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[Assistant] Oh sorry, I meant two more times, you won three times altogether.


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[Assistant] I don't know. There's another small dimension to this, which is...


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[Assistant] Like this. And we, we know, and we've got confirmation from other patrons, we know, we have seen Diesel Noy versus Sagat.


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[Assistant] We saw it only because we were asked, don't show this to anyone. Basically had to promise not to show anything, show it to anyone. The history of these men?


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[Assistant] Is being held by collectors, and I know these guys have super passion, like they're fucking collectors. They have super passion for what they're saving, but I'm like, this is their legacy. Like, eventually we have to have these videos released.


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[Assistant] I don't honestly understand the collector's mind. The collector's mind is a special mind, like they have their own internal logic, right?


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[Assistant] In a vault. I guess. It's weird. Something like that.


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[Assistant] But then, you let other people see it, like, we've been allowed to see the Sagat vs. Gizanui fight.


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[Assistant] Totally. And other people have said they've seen it. So it's fucking out there. There is another...


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[Assistant] Diesel noise. Full diesel noise. Fight out. And there might be others.


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[Assistant] Desoloy. Or, I don't know, whomever else, like.


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[Assistant] We're gonna sit down with Diesel Noy and do a legends speak kind of thing we've done with, one with Nam Kabun. Nam Kabun fought Dekker late in both of their careers and we sat down and had him watch the fight and talk about it and interview him before and after. We're gonna do the same thing with this footage with Diesel Noy.


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[Assistant] That's going to be really special because then you're going to have Daiso Noi talking.


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[Assistant] Personally, about the experience, and that'll be special too. But let's maybe one day work to bring more of this stuff out, like.


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[Assistant] Uh, it means a lot to these guys, like a lot, we, we, hashtag preserve the legacy. This is one way of like,


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[Assistant] Preserving the legacy. Put more bones in the museum.


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[Assistant] So overwhelmed by even seeing himself with all of these other, right?


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[Assistant] Okay, so that's the end of this multi-bones. We're in full nightfall now.


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[Assistant] Two and a half hours ago. Thank you everyone, uh, who support us, who listen to us. We actually don't even know who listens to this stuff.


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[Assistant] On podcasts, or watches on YouTube, we get, we don't get download.


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[Assistant] Data. Data off of Patreon. So, I don't even, we don't even know. So if you're, if you're enjoying the podcast,


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[Assistant] In podcast form, in the audio form, please shoot us a message and tell us like how you're listening to it.


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[Assistant] That you're listening to it, uhm, so we can do more of it, maybe. They, uhm, thank you to our sponsors. Onyx MMA sponsors Sylvia as a fighter and 8limbsus. Uhm, and Lobo sponsors you as a fighter and 8limbsus.


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[Assistant] And then the sponsors of the Muay Thai Library, which is what we're kind of talking about


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[Assistant] We have zesty kicks. We have smack gym.


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[Assistant] Chikara Martial Arts. Uhm, one anonymous sponsor. Is that it?


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[Assistant] Hopefully we did not miss one. If you'd like to sponsor, you can become, you can check us out on Patreon and sponsor the Muay Thai library and help make that possible. We're going to start me doing uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, translation, uh, commitment. We're gonna hire professional translators to so Sylvie can interview, uh, legends and let them tell their story more in Thai and then have it professionally translated and do more watch with me's with, uh, legends.


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[Assistant] So they can tell their story about whats happening in actual fights.


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[Assistant] Fights that are- Let the dinosaur talk about the bones and the-


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[Assistant] In the museum. Well, there are these beautiful...


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[Assistant] Regal men of the past. I'm starting to think of them as the last men.


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[Assistant] What is it? Muay Thai Bones podcast. Uhm, we were thinking about doing a podcast, uhm, coming off of the success of about a year or two years ago of you and Emma doing Two Ladies in the Kingdom.


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[Assistant] Uh, that was a little bit hard to organize because you guys were Bangkok and Patia. Uhm, but we're together all the time.


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[Assistant] And the podcast is kind of based on, uhm, the fact that we have amazing, interesting conversations about Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] We're probably going to be doing these podcasts, uh, from the car in the road.


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[Assistant] They're kinda gonna be just the kinds of conversations, hopefully, that we have, like, even this morning over breakfast, we had a fuckin' deep conversation about Muay Thai motivation, disappointment.


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[Assistant] Uh, kind of, we have these every day. So we're trying to share with you how we think about your content, the state of Muay Thai, uhm, and what, what is it we're calling it Muay Thai Bones Why?


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[Assistant] But it's good to also shed critical light on stuff, how things we think could be better.


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[Assistant] So you, you would have like a young phenom, male or female, come up against an experienced, more adult fighter, and if the phenom lost,


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[Assistant] So what are some Thai, how does that sound in Thai phrases?


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay, so we're not quite sure how the format's gonna unfold, but what we're interested in doing is each podcast to have like a great variety of topic.


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[Assistant] Amped it way up and she's gone for taquito and alternate day eating. Fasting.


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[Assistant] So how has that been? She's had that over a month probably. How has that been in her experience? We'd also like to maybe get into some of the Muay Thai library stuff that we've filmed and published. Because some of these sessions are incredible and they kinda need to be talked about.


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[Assistant] Okay, so the first thing that made me want to film this first episode was I was really excited by the Stamp vs. Janet Todd, Stamp Fairtex vs. Janet Todd 1 Championship.


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[Assistant] It goes farther back with Stamp than when you fought her.


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[Assistant] The Buffalo Girl documentary was one of our first close powerful connections to like authentic real Thai fighting.


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[Assistant] Todd Kallstein, you interviewed Todd Kallstein, the director of Buffalo Girls, you guys can see that on YouTube.


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[Assistant] But there are these young, prize-fighting...


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[Assistant] Female fighters, often in Issan, but also other areas that just excel, train hard, rip through the competition, make a lot of money for their


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[Assistant] ...Families. And Patchy Jaw was a famous one because she fought on TV against boys. Sal Singh was that kind of fighter.


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[Assistant] And Stamp was kind of in that mix, and then as far as we understood it, her star started to descend when she had a big fight against Loma.


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[Assistant] And lost. And she fought her in her hometown here in Patia.


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[Assistant] No, no. There was a loss to Loma earlier. Loma got named Loma?


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[Assistant] Loma became Loma, because Loma means dolphin, and she came to Patia.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so she named herself basically after Patia, and that was kind of when Stamp hit a ceiling.


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[Assistant] What was interesting is that she kinda like scuttled along and then ended up fighting Petri Jav losing.


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[Assistant] Confirming that Pechija was a tier above her, really. Then she fought you, it was a very close fight, she outperformed you at the very end with these kind of like, Thai-style...


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[Assistant] But a legitimate win on her part. And then Fairtex took her in and has just been like transforming her.


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[Assistant] Without getting on a sidetrack about Loma, Stamp had hit this kind of ceiling of her career.


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[Assistant] And her skill level. She was maybe 19 or so.


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[Assistant] And, uh, Fairtex took her in. They wanted to start a female MMA team, and Stamp was the very first one. And for about two years now, they have been expanding her vocabulary.


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[Assistant] Growing different, different bones though. You have plenty of bones as a Muay Thai fighter, prize fighter as a kid.


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[Assistant] But they, she has, this is an interesting thing to me, is that these Thai female fighters have tremendous fight awareness in space.


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[Assistant] An entirely different skill set like learning BJJ or western style boxing things that, uh, uh, patchy jaw also hit a ceiling and now she's gone over to west western style amateur boxing.


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[Assistant] Because she hit a ceiling in Muay Thai growth. And I bet her Muay Thai has really increased because she got exposed to a whole new discipline that she had to learn.


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[Assistant] And I think it's really interesting to see these kind of blue-printed young Thai female fighters then, uh, get exposed to a regimen of growth that, uhm,


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[Assistant] Expands their vocabulary, like to win a Muay Thai fight, you only need to do a couple things well in Thailand.


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[Assistant] When you learn hands or you learn other kinds of weapons, I don't know, it's one of the more interesting things.


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[Assistant] I, there are two dimensions of this. My first thing was I kinda thought, uh, Janet was going to cut off her range and move through the hitting zone too much.


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[Assistant] But she's really smart and clever in the clinch, uh, especially in tie scoring.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she's kind of a knee fighter more than a clinch fighter, right? But I thought that this would be hard for Janet, and I was just so...


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[Assistant] Unbelievably impressed with Janet Todd in the pocket.


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[Assistant] The vitality she expressed in the hitting zone.


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[Assistant] Or slightly outside the hitting zone. I think she was a little bit blessed in this fight in that stamp. Basically decided to fight the entire, almost the entire fight at pad work range. Which is...


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[Assistant] Makes the Western fighter more comfortable. They're used to seeing their target one step away for the pads. And a lot of the fight was in that zone, but I was just incredibly impressed with Janett Todd in the hitting zone.


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[Assistant] Calm together, throwing our combinations, and then on top of that, stamp was unreal, because


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[Assistant] The trust she devoted to her right hand, her right, it wasn't her right cross, one cross. It was cross, cross, cross, cross, cross, cross, cross, cross. She had developed in the last two years a belief in her right hand.


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[Assistant] Even if the first and the second cross don't land, her safety depends on throwing the third cross.


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[Assistant] Which is relatively safe, uhm, they don't have a lot of head defense.


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[Assistant] Stamp was in the pocket with, uh, Janet Todd or urge you to watch the fight. It's a very exciting fight.


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[Assistant] And it really showed that Stamp has developed an entire different dimension to her fighting.


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[Assistant] Also really interesting in that promotion, Sylvie didn't see this as much. I sat watching the Facebook prelim feed. Uhm, one.


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[Assistant] Promoting them as the headline fight.


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[Assistant] Uh, little video biopics, little, uh, stories, uh, about them as fighters, as people that I have


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[Assistant] Other than maybe Ronda Rousey treatment in the UFC.


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[Assistant] I have never seen a card, a highly promoted card, have so much female fighter presence.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or they're in the mix or something like that. Add into that, uhm, you had three minute rounds.


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[Assistant] Women can't fight three minute rounds in Thailand because it's too boring or they can't run, they can't.


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[Assistant] So they got the full treatment, five rounds, three minutes. That is a full male Thai style, uh, format.


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[Assistant] Also, those three minutes went by like this. There was no like, uh, when is this round gonna end? There was.


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[Assistant] I, there was like a full on round fight and I looked down and it was like a minute and a half remaining. And I'm like, oh, there's more to this, this is fantastic.


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[Assistant] I think that was maybe the biggest key to the visual excitement of that fight was that where Janet and Stan decided to fight the fight was just at the edge.


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[Assistant] Of the pocket and that was the excitement even when nothing was happening and even when Janet started falling short and air kicking a little bit you could feel that.


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[Assistant] Uh, forcefield. That they were each bouncing off of.


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[Assistant] And Stamp started kind of like bouncing in with her lead leg up to get across that zone, and I think that kind of is what won the fight for her, is that way she was able to cross that zone.


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[Assistant] And uhm, Janet had a, had that hook, which is a,


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[Assistant] Traditional counter to that right hand, but it just kept coming late. But man, I was just like...


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[Assistant] It was beautiful to see Janet express herself that way. And this is the thing, everyone says, styles make fights, right? Janet got the opportunity


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[Assistant] To show what she was as a fighter against a style.


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[Assistant] That allowed it to unfold. Alright, she wasn't, uh, like, overwhelming, marching knee fighter like Appasara was when she fought her at the world championships.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and she wasn't, uhm, I was talking about Janet, I hope. And then, uh, she, it also wasn't, uhm, like maybe a western fighter, a volume fighter where there's just a lot of clashing. She was given the, like, stage on which to express herself. And I will say this, I mean, I've,


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[Assistant] I remember people, some western fans were saying that it was a bad decision. That was not a bad decision. Stam won that fight. She controlled that space. She had the dominant dramatic moments and the scoring moments.


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[Assistant] Well, there were two things. One is, uh, Stamp was the promotions girl. And so if the decision was close, it was probably going to her anyways, this is just a fact of life.


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[Assistant] That, when they're reading the decision, I still didn't exactly know. I, I thought it was obvious at Stampin' One, but you never really know, especially one championship I don't, I've seen some kind of off decisions sometimes there, and I was like,


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[Assistant] I wasn't quite sure, but I will say this, which added to my impression.


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[Assistant] Watch, if you watch the fight, watch the reading of the scorecard.


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[Assistant] Because Stamp, she didn't look defeated.


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[Assistant] But she looked like she had drained her tank. Like...


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[Assistant] She trusted that right hand over and over and she kept throwing it and there were times the right hand did not defend her and she started getting clipped a little bit in the fifth round.


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[Assistant] She dug in, but you could see, not that she was beaten.


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[Assistant] There was something about, I don't think she was uncertain she was gonna win. I think she was, as a fighter, she felt, she could feel Janet had imposed herself on her at times. More than she expected.


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[Assistant] That, yeah, I don't know what she was feeling there.


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[Assistant] But the, she had a dignity about her as she was standing there. The two fighters, I mean, one is a 33 year old woman also, and Stamp, you know, very experienced, she's 21, 22, there is a difference in life experience also. But Janet had this like, awesome dignity about her, that, fuck, it was just,


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[Assistant] Because fuck, you drive, you drive, fly across the world to Singapore. She hasn't had a lot of international fights. And fight.


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[Assistant] Somebody who's fucking giving it to you, like Stamp was, and to like, perform so well, and to fucking like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Like when that decision was being read, I have a lot of respect for her, the way she was standing there.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So anyways, that's that fight.


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[Assistant] This next fight has been in the works for like a year and a half.


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[Assistant] No, this is the thing that you have. You like her more than you should.


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[Assistant] I am a fan of Amy Parony. I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, we're talking about, arguably,


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[Assistant] The best female Muay Thai fighter in the world. I don't know if I put her number one, but close, right? She's in the conversation as the best female Muay Thai fighter in the world. And Amy Pirani.


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[Assistant] Who's a beautiful western fighter who's had a lot of success in the west, but has not fought.


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[Assistant] Right. And this was a fight that was brewing for a while. They were gonna have-


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[Assistant] For some other title, ISK, whatever, whatever. These, these not, letters mean nothing. Some letters. Yea, some letters. And that card got cancelled, I heard.


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[Assistant] And so this is another exciting moment where East and West come together.


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[Assistant] Well, honestly, Lomany has been one of the best fighters in Thailand for...


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[Assistant] Yeah, they, uhm, but this is the problem. Lomany is so good that she doesn't fight.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the negotiation of fights is a bigger fight than the actual fight and a lot of times top female fighters


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[Assistant] Even though she's an incredible fighter, is relative inactivity. I think she fought in China this year or at some point.


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[Assistant] No video that I saw, uh, flat in Vietnam maybe.


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[Assistant] But we're really not seeing Lom- Lomonee fighting regularly, developing herself. She's part of this kind of like uhm...


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[Assistant] Stasis that very, very good female fighters get into. Chomeni is another example of this. And when they're not fighting, they're not training. Very often. So the huge question is...


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[Assistant] We don't know a lot about her training process, but Westerners stay in shape and train and grow consistently, usually, over the course of their lives and their career.


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[Assistant] Even if they're fighting infrequently, and so we're probably getting a really kind of grade A level.


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[Assistant] Type Amy Pirani. She maybe, maybe be a better version of herself as she was fighting more frequently. And then you're getting Lomany. What is going to be that story of what is she presenting?


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[Assistant] I have no idea what to expect because I haven't really seen, haven't really seen Lomonee.


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[Assistant] Fight a top tier fighter in a long time.


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[Assistant] To me that's the story of the fight. And uh, who knows, because...


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[Assistant] I think we were talking about the Amy Pirani and Lomani fight and I was around saying


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[Assistant] That, uh, Amy's body shots, uhm, are maybe one of the defining stories, uh, of my anticipate, uhm, anticipation of this fight.


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[Assistant] Thai female fighters are not used to training with or throwing body shots, fighting with them. To me, Amy is really devoted to crossing the hitting zone and striking on the open side.


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[Assistant] I don't think it got recorded, but you remembered that Amy had like a vicious body shot knockout of a little smaller fighter, uh, online fight I think.


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[Assistant] So beautiful, so beautiful, and so uhm, we're not sure if she's gonna be able to cross the distance on Lomani, who's going to be, like, uhm,


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[Assistant] I'm an expert at keeping distance, the Thai style of counter-kicking, uhm, if you want to see how good Lomani can be, uhm, as a fighter.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think you watched that fight though. No, I didn't. I keep urging you to watch that fight. It's a very instructive fight. They, uhm, and then, so,


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[Assistant] Will Lomonee be in shape? She's not fighting, uh, regularly developing herself as a fighter. Top tier female fighters like her and Chomonee just get up for particular matches but often have a lot of downtime. They're not really developing their game that much.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Lomani might have developed some though, because in her time at Sentai, there were a lot of very high level crews there, with beautiful technique, crew Thailand. I don't think she trains with crew Ten, but she might. Uhm, but she might have expanded her game a little bit. Uhm, we talked about, with Stamp, that uh, fighter, Thai fighters that


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[Assistant] That arc out, then get exposure to a new regimen of techniques often can grow, but I'm not sure how much Lomini is actually training hard regularly.


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[Assistant] So is she, are we going to get a Lomani, a good Lomani depiction?


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[Assistant] Yeah, the Japanese have a thing where they really like to beat ties. It's a weird...ethic.


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[Assistant] Amy is going to be fighting legitimately, at least by skill set and knowledge, possibly the best female fighter in the world. Not sure about her.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm sure she'll be reasonably where she is, but she's not, uhm.


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[Assistant] Fighting regularly against top opponents and training six days a week, right?


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[Assistant] It will be good no matter what it is, honestly. And, uh,


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[Assistant] One thing to watch out for in this fight, I don't know if it got included in the earlier clip that we were doing, uh, is not only is Lomani wonderful at taking distance and drifting and counter kicking, uhm,


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[Assistant] But she has a wicked left lead elbow that she loads for, uh, especially against orthodox fighters that, uh, throw right crosses.


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[Assistant] She will bait you into moving through the hitting zone and come across with that elbow. That's what she cut you with famously.


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[Assistant] That was actually a beautiful moment for you in a way, even though it felt like shit, is that it actually put you on the map of, uh, world fighting. Everybody, a lot of people got to know you through that. And so, will that elbow come out against Amy? Lomany does not throw that elbow all the time.


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[Assistant] I've seen fights where she doesn't throw it at all and then I've seen fights where she uses it as a warning shot to keep you out of the hitting zone.


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[Assistant] It feels a little bit like, I mean, it sounds weird to say, but, uh, she throws it with menace.


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[Assistant] When she throws it, she's like, if you're gonna make me bring out my big gun.


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[Assistant] You, yeaah, you gonna make me bring out my big gun? I'd much rather beat you with counter kicks. Yes.


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[Assistant] So, I'm sure Amy is well aware of this, uhm,


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting whether or not she's able to avoid the elbow as she comes in for body shots.


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[Assistant] And then I don't know if it made it to the other clip, but Amy's got beautiful sweeps from distance and throws that are very male in their expression and their technique set.


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[Assistant] Yeah, oh, but Thai female fighters don't really face them either. These are San Chai type.


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[Assistant] It's a question, like will Lomani be caught off by some of these explosive trips? Or will the natural balance that female Thai fighters have?


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[Assistant] Beyond Westerners, is that simply enough to not end up on your butt?


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[Assistant] Throwing fighters. Yeah, very much so. Uh, another question we raised, hopefully it wasn't in the other segment, uh, was, uh, will Lomani get lulled into, um, a retreating, counter kicking style, thinking she's ahead in the fight?


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[Assistant] And Lion Fight may not be, it's hard to know who the judges are, but, uh, very often, ties will assume they're in the lead in the West because they're used to landing a couple high-scoring blows and then they start to retreat.


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[Assistant] And if the western fighter continues to advance, uh, it just becomes a big misunderstanding. Yep. And, uh, then the Tai is like, that wasn't a fair decision.


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[Assistant] Honestly, both fighters end up fighting two different rulesets.


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[Assistant] Will that be a factor in this fight also? Will, uh, Lomany artificially find herself thinking she's ahead, actually being behind? Because Amy's got a pretty nice aggressive style.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, so, there's that, hopefully we covered that enough, uhm, it's, we were saying


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[Assistant] It's ex- it's very unusual that you'll get, uh, Janet Todd versus Stamp, Top Westerner, Top Tie, Clash, and then a month and a half later you have another one.


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[Assistant] Not in IFMA amateur type rules, or kickboxing style rules, but rather very close to regular Muay Thai rules. Uhm, and we get two of these in a single month and a half or two months. So, like you said, it's like two comments.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I do want to mention, let's go quickly into the female fight league thing that happened.


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[Assistant] So, Female Fight League happened. We're just gonna hit some of the big points here. Uh, three round fights, which we're not a huge fan of, but an all-female fight card.


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[Assistant] Promoted by woman Jade, uhm, anytime there's this kind of celebration of female fighting,


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[Assistant] And we were excited that Northern Fighters came down for the card. Uhm, that, uh, Northern Fighters at one time used to be much more isolated, but they're starting to come down for these cards. Big props to Jade for bringing Northern Fighters down for a high profile.


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[Assistant] Not at all. Uhm, Northern Fighters also ended up coming down and fighting in Bangkok the next week or two under Muay Thai week, uhm, which was also exciting. I give Sylvie credit for Shining Light on Northern Fighters and now they're starting to get opportunities, uh,


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[Assistant] Some of them have fought in Hong Kong in the last year, like the North, which is really the real center of female fighting in Thailand.


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[Assistant] It used to be isolated, it's starting to like pulse with energy and the Thai fighters are starting to get opportunities, which is the most important thing. You cannot have a fight scene that's all about the tourists.


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[Assistant] You coming in and getting your belt or whatever the thing is, you've got to support the Thai female fighters if you want a living, real fight scene. And so,


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[Assistant] This was cool. Jade, thank you for bringing the Northern Fighters down.


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[Assistant] And, uh, there were some great matchups, KC, there was good Westerners, KC was on that card, she lost a very tough fight, uh, got caught with a head kick, um, against a fucking good, uh, fighter, I forgot her name, out of Dungna Noise Gym, world champion.


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[Assistant] Which disappeared once she got fatigued and stressed, which is totally normal, that's what happens. You train something up, you bring it into the fight, it's working, but you can't feel it's working. You've had this experience, right?


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[Assistant] You stumped me with that a little bit. I don't know where you're going with her.


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[Assistant] It was awesome to have Jade put on the Female Fight League, which is supposed to be a regularly occurring all-female fight card, and that when these promotions happen, they're not in competition with each other.


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[Assistant] We feel like Female Fight League helps what we're doing and hopefully what we end up doing with Queens of the North in Chiang Mai will help Female Fight League and other promotions that don't exist yet.


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[Assistant] It's part of the game, and we're also a fan of Hooters ourselves. We go and eat there a couple times. It's an enjoyable place.


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[Assistant] It's not really about that, it was just like, for us, a little jarring, but maybe, necessarily jarring, like,


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[Assistant] Every promotion that promotes women is going to try to be finding their footing.


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[Assistant] Fights are going down. Like it had, it had that energy, that clashy energy that you don't always get.


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[Assistant] So uhm, I'm looking forward to more female fighters.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but many of the matchups were really nice. And we have to say also Katya, as I was, we got sidetracked a little bit, Katya retired, announced her retirement from at least Thailand at the time.


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[Assistant] Uh, she's left Thailand, I believe. She was a big social media female fight presence, fighter presence.


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[Assistant] Probably led to many women coming to train in Thailand, especially up in the islands, down in the islands where we, uhm.


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[Assistant] And then she kinda got like, uh, snuffed out with a repeatedly cringed grind, I feel like, in that fight. I don't remember, it was a few weeks ago, I don't remember the rest of the fight card. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] Attack, which is quite proficient, uhm.


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[Assistant] That's how things fight, yeaah, uh, which was kinda cool.


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[Assistant] On to the next thing, we wanna move on for some variety, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're going to take a quick break and start over.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it doesn't matter. If the numbers are moving, it's good. Okay.


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[Assistant] Changing up speeds, uh, wanna talk about, uhm,


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[Assistant] For those that don't follow Sylvie closely, uh, for more than a year, we've been doing the Muay Thai Library Preserved Legacy Project, which is Sylvie traveling around Thailand filming with


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[Assistant] Filming with golden age legends, people that no longer train people or passing their techniques along, archiving the greatest techniques of Muay Thai in Thai history.


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[Assistant] A great cruise, legendary cruise, like Manop who's recently put up, or unknown cruise. There's just unbelievable knowledge in every gym.


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[Assistant] If you've not seen or heard of the Muay Thai Library.


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[Assistant] Get thee to Patreon. It's for Patreon supporters, but even if you're a very small pledge, you still get access to video that is not available anywhere in the history of documenting Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] Even if we were putting out six of these sessions, six hours of these a year, it would be like, nobody does this. Nobody has ever done this.


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[Assistant] Honestly, it's so much work, so much content, that we don't expect anyone to watch it all.


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[Assistant] We're building an archive, we're aiming for a hundred hours, and maybe more.


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[Assistant] Opportunities you don't, you don't even know when your life is gonna change for whatever reason. Misfortune or whatever turn. And it's like, now is when we can travel. Now we can rent the car. Now we can think the films. Now we can put two a month. I mean, we're hitting the gas with two a month. But like, we can do that now.


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[Assistant] And thanks to the support of official sponsors, but also to the support of patrons that make this really happen. We can do this now.


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[Assistant] I want to talk about one session that we recently put up, maybe it's the most recent one, Tonadette.


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[Assistant] What's so interesting about his session?


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[Assistant] Is that he is a fighter that is a relatively active fighter now.


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[Assistant] He, Sylvie knew him back when we were in Chiang Mai at Lana. He was a young, local fighter that was just ripping everyone up with what is called, what we call the long clinch. Which is a...


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[Assistant] It's a highly specialized position that is often transitional in a host of positions that people take in, uh, clinched in technique, especially from the north.


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[Assistant] It's deadly. But what's interesting to me from


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[Assistant] To me about this and about the Muay Thai library session we did.


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[Assistant] So we really wanted to capture this, it's like a BJJ line of attack that's highly specialized by a particular fighter or teacher.


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[Assistant] He developed this line of attack and became very successful locally. Got bought by a...


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[Assistant] Brought it to a Stadium Muay Thai in Bangkok, had a fair amount of success.


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[Assistant] And, he was having success with it, but,


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[Assistant] In the north, he would hold this position and he would lock somebody out for 30 seconds and just destroy them. In Bangkok, it would be 5 seconds, 7 seconds, 3 seconds, because


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[Assistant] If you're really adept with your shoulders, you can kind of wiggle your way free to a certain degree. His gym, to me, tragically, started telling him, I think, from watching his fights, don't clinch, or don't rely on this anymore. Gamblers don't like it.


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[Assistant] I think they wanted him to punch. They turned him into a puncher. They tried to turn him into a puncher. And I think he started losing. And that produced problems.


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[Assistant] And this is kind of like having an MMA specialist, uh, who is a BJJ specialist who's like got an amazing guillotine attack or uh, armbar or something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe, but that's not the case here. You want to...


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[Assistant] Or you can try to make their weapons so deadly that there's no way of stopping them. Which would be like the Japanese healer.


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[Assistant] He started losing, and now he's estranged from his gym. He's not fighting, stadium fighting anymore.


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[Assistant] This line of long clinch technique before it just disappears. If he stops fighting and training people, it will just vanish.


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[Assistant] There's no one who's ever that we know of who ever used it like him and developed it to such high level. And there's nobody who.


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[Assistant] He has small micro adjustments that allow him to stay in that position and dominate.


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[Assistant] And people are not used to handling it.


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[Assistant] It employs the shoulder roll, which is something you learned maybe about a year ago. Karhat was a big influence in this, right? And now also his stance position, his knee flex.


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[Assistant] And you're just now starting to train this yourself. And I think what we're gonna do is when we, you guys, I'm telling you, if you're in Chiang Mai,


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[Assistant] Go train- and you're a clinch fighter? Go train long clinch with Tauntadette. He's there at some small gym.


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[Assistant] We'll find a contact for you. You can train with him. He's unreal and he's a very good teacher. But if you're not in Chiang Mai, go check out the Patreon session. It is...


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[Assistant] Beautiful, but I'm thinking we're gonna go up there and film with him, maybe not film, train with him monthly or every two months and then you bring it back to the gym and you work with the Thai boys and see if you, you gotta find your own natural locking positions, it's not gonna be the same exact thing.


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[Assistant] But this is a really interesting path of discovery for you to be like head, shoulders, feet.


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[Assistant] Like, how can feet be so important to clinch? Cause everything is up here, right?


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[Assistant] Thank you patrons and official sponsors for allowing this library because it is so beautiful to me to capture this little line.


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[Assistant] Anything but just like, yeaah, he was good in Chiang Mai, right?


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[Assistant] It is an art form that he just went and spun out. Maybe we'll get westerners involved in taking lessons with him and maybe the Long Clench will take off in the West in some way.


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[Assistant] Like, maybe the technique will be that way, but also to get it in the library is fucking awesome to me. Like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Not only can you see this, but they're just Samart, like in Namkaboon, Hippie, tons of Karahat, D'uzulnoi, Samsoni-san, like


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[Assistant] Unbelievable, the greatest fighters ever. It would be like...


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[Assistant] I don't know if in the 80s, no, like in the 90s, someone went around, a girl went around and trained with Sugar Ray Leonard.


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[Assistant] Great fighters of the past in varying stages of aging, right? And it's very, it's sad. Some people we've filmed with have already passed on and died. Siri Mong Khan, the amazing Andy Thompson. I, I don't know. I just, I'm very moved that they're in the library.


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[Assistant] And literally they will not be forgotten in a way they would not otherwise not be forgotten.


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[Assistant] Uh, kind of related to what we were just talking about with the library is through our Patreon support, we decided to take a chunk of that support and basically


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[Assistant] Hire Diesel Noy as a visiting professor.


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[Assistant] To come to your gym and patio patron room. Our motivations for this were...


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[Assistant] They really were not so much as, let's have a lot of diesel-noi private sessions. It was.


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[Assistant] Diesel Noy is an unbelievable human being. I never...


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[Assistant] Met anybody like him. Master K is maybe the closest of someone who loves Muay Thai.


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[Assistant] But different, right? Nobody loves Muay Thai more than this man, but he's a powerful personality


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[Assistant] I get the feeling he does not like being in top level Thai gyms in the dog eat dog political world.


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[Assistant] Thailand Muay Thai, and I don't think he really loves being in commercial Western gyms, but for some reason when he went to the Muay Thai, the Muay Khao Summit we filmed in December, I'm like,


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[Assistant] There's something humble about Petrong Rung and the real family style.


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[Assistant] Thai boy energy there that's low key. That just is right for him. So we're like, let's bring him for a month. We'll put him up in a hotel and just let him be himself in the space for a month.


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[Assistant] Jumping in, helping westerners, taking some privates with the westerners, helping the Thai boys develop their style.


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[Assistant] And it has been everything we hoped for.


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[Assistant] This is the thing, people are like, oh he was just a tall fighter.


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[Assistant] Diesel Noy tells us this is what Thais say, but Westerners say it too. They're like, oh, he was just so good because of how tall he was. Name another tall fighter who ever got to where Diesel Noy is. If you ever meet and train with him, and there's some, we have sessions up in the Muay Thai library.


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[Assistant] And he would have found a way to be unbelievable.


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[Assistant] Giant men come through there, and Diesel Noy is ripping a knee they never felt before.


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[Assistant] These are men of Muay Thai, like, Pino's been in Muay Thai since he was a kid, like, it is...


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[Assistant] It is, it feels like divinity, like the Muay Thai gods coming to visit down from Olympus. It is really incredible. I want to ask you, you've had some rough days with Diesel Noy because he's like,


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[Assistant] He does love you, but he's like trying to like pour this like atomic liquid into this little vessel of you. And it's hard.


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[Assistant] Googling out this stuff, this, this chemical X, it is jarring for you.


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[Assistant] That man understands something about you that no one else quite feels. Karahat feels it a little bit, but only because he's perceptive. Diesel Noises...


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[Assistant] He feels it in you. He feels this sorrow. Like he has a sorrow, you have a sorrow. And there's not, unless you have that sorrow, you cannot feel it. And he fucking has it and he feels it in you.


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[Assistant] But I wanna ask you, like, what does that feel like? You've just come off a couple of days where he just started to turn his spotlight on you, and I know it's been hard, and he knows it's been hard, but he's also been very nurturing. Where do you feel like you're exploring there, really?


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[Assistant] What is that painfulness? Does it feel like shameful or... you're not in control? You're out of your skin?


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[Assistant] Me killer. And he had, he worked for, he was managed by the biggest mob boss in Thailand. A man who was eventually assassinated. Assassination attempts in Lumpini Stadium. He lived in life, life and death. Like his training and his fighting was also life and death. Like there was,


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[Assistant] You could be killed, and matter of fact someone was shot in the ring next to him.


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[Assistant] Like, his teammate, I believe, or was it a coach? No, it was his manager.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's in the corner. But I'm saying, diesel noise violence was in the context of real, real violence.


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[Assistant] You see now when he's like, get in your stance Sylvie, and his face.


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[Assistant] Get mean, he gets mean face. He is going immediately back into that, into that werewolf mode, that tiger mode. It's very interesting that the painful comp-


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[Assistant] But he is calling for you. He calls for everyone, honestly, not just you.


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[Assistant] And also for people to be non- to be very critical of you. The reason I was falling the fuck over.


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[Assistant] In Thailand, like, we, there's so much western bullshit of like,


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[Assistant] And one of the interesting things about Diesel Noi...


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[Assistant] And I think this is one of the interesting things about being a yod boy in Thailand, is you never get so good that you do not have people whispering about you in a bad way. Uh, Samart was accused of throwing a boxing match.


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[Assistant] He went back to Muay Thai and he became the darling again, but that stain never fucking leaves you. There are still people who will say, I'm sure, oh somewhere through that fight.


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[Assistant] But every single fighter, the great fighters, Samson Assan, fucking fighter of the year, unbelievable. Oh, he just is a cardio guy. He just is a brawler. Like, every fighter has the stain. And part of being a Yodmoy in Thailand is you just have to have big enough shoulders.


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[Assistant] And it's, there's a pain and it almost reminds me of Buddhist, uh, Buddhist truth in the weird way. It's like, you just, you carry the suffering of existence with you, but you carry it nobly. You like, you do not get to get rid of that original sin.


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[Assistant] And I think that that is one of the more amazing things about having Diesel Noy in this space, not just meeting for an hour or two hours, having him corner for you, which he's done in the past, to see him sitting in there and just like,


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[Assistant] vitally expressing himself there's lots of knowledge and stuff passing but really


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[Assistant] It is like even for PNU and his father and other padholders to just see somebody from the golden age stalking through that space is just amazing for them.


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[Assistant] It's like being visited by the biggest movie star ever.


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[Assistant] Sitting on your couch, yea. Okay, we're gonna go to another segment. Ready? Start that over.


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[Assistant] Okay, next segment. We're working with Variety here. We've just been talking about Diesel Noi, Legends, totally different change-up. Wanna talk about the keto diet, uhm, that Sylvie moved to. More, how long has it, have you been on keto?


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[Assistant] For those that don't know what a keto diet is, you, uh, remove as many calories, I mean carbohydrates as you can from your diet.


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[Assistant] You keep your protein relatively low, so the predominance of your caloric intake comes from, uh, fat.


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[Assistant] By keeping your calories low, your carbohydrates low,


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[Assistant] Uh, fasting-like, uh, reactions in the body. The body, uhm,


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[Assistant] Basically bi- biological resistance that occurs when you don't get regular eating. So they're eating fat calories, but because your carbohydrates are low, your body is not reading this as a time of plenty. Right?


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[Assistant] And, uh, part of what happens, it takes about, uh, two to four, sometimes a little bit longer, weeks for your body to become what is called fat adapted, which means it stops looking for the newspaper or the kindling to burn, and it starts literally changing


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[Assistant] The way it processes fuel and it starts becoming more efficient at burning fat. And it burns the fat in your body.


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[Assistant] And it depends on the fat you consume, and that becomes your new fuel source.


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[Assistant] What's kind of, so we've been doing this, I've been doing this over for a year? I don't know. I've been doing it a long time.


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[Assistant] Six months. I was doing alternate day eating for over a year. I've lost, I don't know, 80 pounds or something like that. Uhm.


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[Assistant] So that was good for me. I did it to basically not ha- I don't wanna die. Soon. And where I was at, I was gonna die. Soon.


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[Assistant] What I want to talk about is you've been doing keto for nine months and you did a blog post about it, a video thing for Patreon about how this was really changing your mental state, not just your physical state.


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[Assistant] What we're really getting to, that was just a little bit of background, is that about a month ago, Sylvie, because she was having a hard time,


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[Assistant] Coming off the Moykow Summit and some of the pressures that we're building up, the amount of content that we put out is really high level pressure that goes along with training and fighting more than anybody on the planet.


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[Assistant] Almost. Probably, there are some people who maybe fight more, but they don't fight that way for long. We've been doing it for 6 years. 7 years.


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[Assistant] We're like, we had to like, take even firmer control of the mood swings. And so, you decided to do what I was doing, which was ketogenic diet, fasting every other day.


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[Assistant] And so we've done that for about a month. You've trained Fasted every other day. You've fought Fasted.


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[Assistant] Intuition says, you can't train fasted, you can't fight fasted, you need glycogen stores, whatever all the bullshit, the bro science stuff.


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[Assistant] I want to ask you, you know, we will know this much better a few months from now, but so far what has been your experience of fasting every other day?


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[Assistant] And being in ketosis on the days that you do eat. Like we're basically double, double barreling it. Shotgun approach.


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[Assistant] That you originally hit when you went to ketosis in the first month or so. Like you had like, boy, this, I feel mentally clear. And that kind of faded, either you got used to it and it became the new normal, but


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[Assistant] Now, you're encountering that sense of clarity more.


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[Assistant] Okay. So it's better or worse? It's better. It's better.


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[Assistant] And we're thinking of cutting back some of your morning training just to get more sleep time restoration.


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[Assistant] Uh, one of the things that's interesting to me about this, uh, alternate day eating, it's not intermittent fasting, 16-8, which you will read about. It's eat one day, not the other, but when you eat, you're also in a ketogenic diet. I think what happens is a ketogenic diet


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[Assistant] Creates the biological changes that allow you to burn body fat and nutritional fat. You now become a fat burner. We say like burning logs and not kindling.


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[Assistant] When you then mix that with actual fasting, every other day, when you fast,


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[Assistant] Your nutritional cutosis has already trained your body to thrive.


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[Assistant] On a fast day. You already have made the biological changes that allow you to take advantage of, they say we have 30,000 calories that


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[Assistant] Totally efficiently burning ketones and using its fuel that it carries around.


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[Assistant] The idea is this is putting you through a repeated state of body repair every 48 hours.


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[Assistant] Given that you're under so much stress something to mention and talk about briefly is there's a kind of bro science out there that uhm.


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[Assistant] In your liver, but I think it's also in your muscles, uh, when you're doing explosive fight actions, there's an entire like concept about this which makes really good sense on paper.


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[Assistant] But I think it's kinda bullshitty, honestly. It's a, it's a picture of the body that people like to buy into.


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[Assistant] I honestly think that because the human body has evolved,


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[Assistant] To persist through famine or non-regular eating patterns, that when your body is in a famine-like state,


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[Assistant] That is when the human body is most able to respond to either not getting killed as prey or capturing food.


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[Assistant] That the kinds of actions that need to happen in a 15 minute fight.


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[Assistant] Evolution has surely given the human body the ability to respond to catch food or not be food when your stomach is empty.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I wonder if cortisol spikes or any kind of hormonal surges that occur in a fight, fight or flight are optimized in their impact when you're actually fasting.


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[Assistant] That, that you actually are closer to your animal state.


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[Assistant] That yeah, glycogen stores and the biochemistry, you like to have these YouTube people that like explain the dynamics of action and when one fuel source takes over, none of it tested, uh, in actual fighter conditions, at least by your experience, a no-go. Like, not an issue.


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[Assistant] Right? And maybe things are even enhanced. Something to watch for. Right?


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[Assistant] Well, another thing that surprised you a little bit from what you've told me, and I experienced it too, is fastening is weirdly easy.


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[Assistant] Like, when you're like, I'm just not eating today, it doesn't mean anything.


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[Assistant] To not be thinking about your next meal all the time as a preoccupation has been a huge emotional change. Your landscape of reality, the things you preoccupy your mind with, to not have food be one of them is kind of a big deal.


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[Assistant] Another thing to bring up about this, and it's, this is kind of still a magical mystery.


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[Assistant] She walked around at about 48 kilos, sometimes a little below, sometimes a little bit above, but about 48 kilos.


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[Assistant] Trains like the Dickens, in great shape, there is not a single person who would look at her and be like, you need to lose weight. Even a little bit.


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[Assistant] What's totally bizarre about this change in diet and it's been about a month.


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[Assistant] Is you've lost basically 2 kilos. So now you walk around 46.


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[Assistant] You already fight like underweight to everybody, like everybody. So you've just given two more kilos to every opponent.


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[Assistant] But this is what's really interesting. We're not sure where those two kilos came from because you look as rocked out and muscular.


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[Assistant] You... Your body composition has changed.


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[Assistant] Electrolytes big time. You take potassium and magnesium and sodium you take.


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[Assistant] But this is the thing, we've lo- you've lost two kilos, your body composition has changed, and we're not quite sure where it came from.


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[Assistant] Talked about how when he went to intermittent fasting, and this is a kind of intermittent fasting but more extreme, uh, he, he said his body composition changed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and maybe something like that is happening.


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[Assistant] It's only been a month, so I'm like, this is something else to watch. You've actually become lighter and maybe stronger.


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[Assistant] I don't know, that's something that somebody else might be finding interesting or compelling.


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[Assistant] But, still, the main reason we're doing this is mental stability, recovery, and also


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[Assistant] Theories of repair, of bodily repair, cellular repair, responses to stress.


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[Assistant] So, thank you to everyone who's listened or watched the, uh, First Muay Thai Bones podcast. How did you feel that went?


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[Assistant] What I like about it is, I feel like,


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[Assistant] We were able to move through very different topics.


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[Assistant] In how they relate to Muay Thai. Everything from nutrition to a golden age fighter and fight mentality to uh, female fights that are coming up. Like, this is the full expanse of what Muay Thai is about. Not only in Thailand, but in the world. And I'm like,


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[Assistant] The format's very cool because this is kinda how we talk when we're in the car and we hope to be doing these when we're driving in the car, maybe up to Chiang Mai. This is where we talk when we go to breakfast.


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[Assistant] This is the stuff we talk about all the time, so I'm thinking let's just have these kind of conversations so that other people can be a part of them.


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[Assistant] This, uh, format kind of talks on that. Because Muay Thai is your life.


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[Assistant] Rites and passages of meaningfulness, right?


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[Assistant] It allows you to kind of fully express, uhm, who you are in a, uhm,


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[Assistant] Artistic way as a fighter, and I don't know, I'm gonna say as your husband, it's pretty cool to just watch.


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[Assistant] The arc of where you're going. Like, I don't even know where you're going fighting as much as you do.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, uh, hopefully we'll be doing more of these. This was just a rough experiment. Thank you for, uhm, being forgiving in any technical difficulties we've had or narrative structure starting and stopping. Right?


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[Assistant] You look really good. You look like me. Like, you look- we look like each other. And I cried a little this morning when I realized that. I was like, wow, we really have the same body type. The fact that my dress fits you is like, making me sad.


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[Assistant] I'm so down, I love Dr. Drew. People have told me my entire life to go on Dr. Drew because I have like everything wrong with me. I have my BBT, I have my trans issues, I have eating disorders, I have sex addiction, I have everything that I- and everyone's like, you should go on- oh no problems.


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[Assistant] I'm too empathetic for that. I know all of the like, I don't know all of them. I go to a lot of therapists and psychologists.


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[Assistant] Well, obviously last year, one of the reasons they came for me was that I had issues thinking, you came for me saying I wasn't transgender.


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[Assistant] Surgeries to, you know, be the, to transition, but uhm, yeaah, to me this feels comfortable, like I love being a guy, like, not, not just a guy, but just...


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[Assistant] My thigh, I'm so, I'm exhausted, every day, every week, Dr. Drew, I don't think this show is good for my mental health to be honest.


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[Assistant] Exactly, and can I just tell you two for the record, he took that side by side I posted on Instagram, and I said, I'm both. I purposely took myself looking


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[Assistant] My, my trans friends were supportive of me, as was my therapist, you know, they were pretty supportive. So I would say it was more actually the allies, it's more like cis people being like, fuck this bitch, you know, or a lot of like gay guys too, but, uh. Wait, cis?


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[Assistant] I didn't come out as a chicken nugget, it was a spoken word poetry when I was fucked up on meth and I was like, hey, today I woke up feeling like a fucking chicken nugget, y'all. Like that's what it was and I was like so fucked up if you watched the video. Completely different than this video where I'm like sitting down like, hey, I have something like I wanna say, like this is like on my chest, it's been on me for a while. And there's been tons of videos of me talking about


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[Assistant] Penis envy about me wanting to be a boy, not wanting to be Trish, like all this stuff, and there's been multiple videos that I talked about this and expressed this, and this one just, I guess triggered people because everyone wanted to hate me last year, including H3, Nikocado, PewDiePie, everyone attacked me, all these people, so it's just with a year of hating Trish last year.


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[Assistant] To me, he said he was bi. The other day, I just talked to him, and he's like, actually, I just, I just like who I like, you know? So, it was never, we did have like, vaginal sex, but it was a lot of, yea, it was a lot of more, uh, you know, pegging and penetration and that stuff.


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[Assistant] And even now with my, like my only fans, I'm always the one to wear the strap on, like with girl on girl stuff, like I'm always the one doing...


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[Assistant] I just, I just feel more powerful, I feel more turned on that way.


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[Assistant] Boys, uh, you know, what cis boys look like, you know, before, and I, and I like it, I love it, I like, you know, I've done it multiple times, and I don't know, it feels, it feels comfortable to me, but so does, so does dressing as a female, like a cis female dresses comfortable too.


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[Assistant] Oh, like I've done exposed videos about my boyfriends in the past where it's like when I'm hurt, like I will do things like hurt people or whatever like that.


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[Assistant] Because I have, I have a really, I can't control myself. It's almost like I black out and like, so when I, when I get mad or upset or I felt in that position, all of a sudden I started feeling like, wow, I'm being like, looked at as the villain, like I did something wrong.


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[Assistant] So he's saying, like, I made a video being like, you know, he flirted with fans, whatever, but that's a completely different thing that I already made public, as opposed to in altercation, like, that's a completely different thing that nobody wanted out there, and you put it out there, and then it went to the shitstorm thing of Trisha's an abuser, and all this stuff, which was not something that was out there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm working now on it and it's like a thing that's like super super sensitive because it's never, I've never gone that far, you know, and I've gotten help for the past year because I had two mental hospital stays where I was put on a 5150. So like I go into these, like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, we have it, uhm, and it's more just cause I do talk a lot about like,


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[Assistant] You say, I disinvalued this. That's exactly what you said. That's your quote. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Okay, let's not talk about him though, and also, and for the record, my parents also are not about, you know what I mean, my mom or so, but like my dad's not about therapy, so I go on these alone, when I was, like I, you know, I've had other issues with addiction, and like I went on my own, when I was in a mental hospital, I was on my own, no one, you know, my mom came to see me, but I didn't.


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[Assistant] No, I love talking, I like talking about it and I especially like talking like with someone who like understands it cause I think the whole internet thinks, I'm crazy, I'm a liar, I'm this, I'm destructive, and so like it's nice to just hear like, at least you understand that there are people like me out there, which is like,


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[Assistant] Well it's not unwarranted though, like I understand why people think the things I do are for attention because I have always been an intention seeker, I've always needed attention more than most people. So I get it, I understand it, I've said offensive things way in my past that will haunt me forever, you know what I mean? Like it's like, I get why people don't like me, it's not like I'm not aware of it.


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[Assistant] My therapist that I talk to, he, I ask him straight up, I'm like, so am I borderline, am I bipolar, like am I schizo, like there's, you know, all these things and he's like, well you have traits of a lot of things so I can't really say it's one, you know, you're, you're definitely bipolar. I've been on medication to treat bipolar.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but there's also, so my, my, my scandal that everyone hated me for this year and it's still something that like triggers me in a really dark deep way and I talk with my boyfriend about it because only people close to me see it is, is the Dissociative Identity Disorder which I've talked about before.


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[Assistant] And my therapist had told me the same thing, he's, he's one that doesn't necessarily believe in like the disassociative of like going into different alters, you know, cause I don't have-


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, right. So I think that's why people are like, no. And so when people said no, then I did troll and make a video where I started going into alters if that's what people wanted to see. But it was clearly a troll. People were upset that I, you know, did that. And I get it. I get the upset with that, but that triggered from people being like, you don't have this, you don't have this. Meanwhile, everyone's saying, you're crazy, you have this, you have everyone diagnosing me. It's like, well.


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[Assistant] I can distinguish it, but when was the last time I was looking for negative attention?


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[Assistant] But it results from, like, the DID and the trans thing resulting from p- not people like you, but people saying, well, you said you were a chicken nugget seven years ago when you had a meth problem. It's like, that's why, cause they can't take it seriously from them.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, and like I said, the trans one, I like immediately regretted. I apologize the next day. I have an apology video, but I'm so sorry I said this. Like, that's not what I meant.


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[Assistant] I wanna change it, ideally I would, ideally I wouldn't like people to hate me, but I know that's just literally gonna be, whatever I do is gonna be problematic, even if it's something so small, like me liking My Chemical Romance this year, all the emos were like, fuck you for liking this, or like, theater kids, they tweet Lin-Manuel Miranda and say, oh fuck her for liking Hamilton, like, people just don't like me for whatever I do.