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[Assistant] But they like to marry their play action passes like where they go like, Hey, we're faking the pulling guard play. So we're going to pull the guard and make it look like that run play. But within that.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta be really schooled up and how to pass pro that, you know, when you got a guard pulling and it's pass protection and all that, right?


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[Assistant] Well, Baltimore has so many different ways in which they line up and pressures. I think they looked at it and said, we can't do some of these because I can't tell which way they're coming and we're not going to be able to pick it up if they bring these two or three blitzes.


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[Assistant] Right? To where if we pull the guard, we're gonna be screwed over here if they bring this blitz that they like to bring on a consistent basis. So, no run game, and then it became a drop back pass game early on.


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[Assistant] You know, for, for the Detroit Lions and yeaah, they don't, they don't want to live in, in that area. You know, especially not early on in the football game.


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[Assistant] Yes, I mean, first off, having like a second wind to his career here.


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[Assistant] You know, can, has actual value, like, better value now than I feel like he did like six years ago as far as pushing the pocket on third downs, but he's immovable in the run game. Like we talked about with some of your Lions guys last week, right? These big stout guys, like, he's bigger and stouter than they are.


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[Assistant] So, you almost have to double team him to move him in the run game. And within that,


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[Assistant] He barely moves when you double team him. So yeaah, it starts there, right in between the tackles with him being an immovable object that makes them tough. It's got a nice mixture there. There's another guy, again, strong as hell. One of the smaller D linemen they have on the field.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, he's stout and good in the run game, but he's got an athletic ability of, you know, fucking the play up like we talk about at times, and busting through when you go, oh damn, he's in the backfield, now the pulling guard ran into him and there's nowhere to go.


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[Assistant] The linebackers are what makes the defense, cause they just, they bring it to an, you know, not only is it creative, but now you got two kamikaze middle linebackers who are fast as hell, they can cover, they can


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[Assistant] Accelerate so good that when they blitz, it's like, holy crap, they're on us in a second. They're the magic to this whole thing? They're to me are the magic of the whole thing. Exactly right. They are.


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[Assistant] They can cover so many holes and they embolden them to bring some of these blitzes where they go, hey, blitz, we're not exactly sound over here.


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[Assistant] As far as gap to gap on this blitz, but you guys, when you see it, you'll cover it up and get over there if they run the ball or do something over there. So they, they can embolden the defensive coordinator in that aspect. And then with those big people up front,


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[Assistant] You know, they basically, when they play five man fronts, it's just like, woah, woah, there goes your five offense alignment, and now they're free to just be ball hawks, and they're, Roquan is the ultimate ball hawk, and Patrick Queen is playing really damn good off of him.


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[Assistant] He's living, he's living. I mean, he's awesome at everything. You know, he's great at coming down and stopping the run, tackling, but our guy, Sam Laporta, right?


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[Assistant] He's, that's, you notice him in those situations.


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[Assistant] They want to blitz and play man to man. They were like, we're fine with Kyle Hamilton and Laporta. You know, that's, he's kind of a tight end eraser that way.


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[Assistant] That'll be interesting, you know, if he ends up playing on Kansas City Chiefs and having to play at Kelsey, cause I think they'll feel comfortable matching him up there. But yeah, his, his athletic ability, acceleration, and then to have that and have the length he has is very rare in the NFL and it really makes them hard.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. You can't have the plays like kinda how I was talking before where it's like, hey if they play too deep.


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[Assistant] We kinda wanna work this side of the field. If they play one deep, we wanna work the other side of the field, right? There's no way.


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[Assistant] It's just too hard. It's too complex with the blitzes and how they disguise coverages. And like I said, you know, sometimes you're like, wait, this is quarters. Oh wait, no, it's kind of cover two. They are so good at kind of making it all look similar and what I call


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[Assistant] Basterdizing it for the quarterback to where you're like, wait, is that, you know, like they'll make it look sometimes like a cover two safety. He'll kind of turn his body like, Hey, I'm going to the single safety spot.


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[Assistant] But he's still playing cover too. But those are things a quarterback sees and goes, oh, he's going to the center field, but he kind of turns that way and then doesn't go, right? And kind of stays in his half. And then as soon as you kind of like,


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[Assistant] Wait, I looked over here because I thought I was getting single safety and now you're all fostered, your clock's off, you might have missed the first read, now you're late or early to the second read, whatever it may be. And what I mean by all purpose plays is you gotta have plays where you just go, hey, we're gonna read it one,


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[Assistant] To two, to three, to four. I don't give a shit what the coverage is. Don't worry about it. If one's open, throw it to them. If two's open, throw it to them. Screw trying to read the coverages against the Baltimore Ravens.


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[Assistant] The only time you can really tell what the coverage is is when they play man to man.


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[Assistant] And even within that, that sometimes they're extremely hard and they do a good job of kind of disguising that as well.


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[Assistant] You miss your running backs. Let's, let's, let's be real there. No Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs definitely hurt you guys, okay? Uhm, and then the other thing-


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[Assistant] They missed the power element of all that. The other thing too, and we alluded to this last week too, you know, this is where I do think that they got a kind of expedite,


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[Assistant] Jameson's Williams growth a little. Cause there would be a game here where, you know, you, you need somebody that can back them off, scare them a little bit more, right?


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[Assistant] Maybe make them rethink some of the coverages they want to play that way.


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[Assistant] Uh, you guys had a hard time for whatever reason. We know the blitzes and all that were good, but some of their stunts, like where I call TE stunts or ET stunts, depending on who goes in front of the other, they did a really good job and you guys had a hard time passing it off between your guards and tackles a lot of the times in the game. So even when they just rushed four, they were kind of like,


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[Assistant] That was definitely a big thing, like where he had people in his face early on in the game, it felt like just about every throw. Uhm, and I think that's about, you know, all the big points of the game. I just want to make sure.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah. Oh, and the last thing, last thing. You guys are usually amazing at picking up blitzes and sorting things out. We're great at it. Hank Fraley, I mean, what he does with the O-line.


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[Assistant] You know, Dan Campbell's from Bill Parcell's School of Coaching to where, yeaah, they figure, hey, five guys, we can figure out how to pick up those five blitzers and our back will be there in case they bring a six and they know how to sort it out. They're so creative and move things around so much that this was one of the first times I ever saw your team go.


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[Assistant] Holy crap, we can't sort all this out. We can't tell who's coming all the way here and cause problems.


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[Assistant] They're going to be a top three offense, top five offense for sure. Yes. I mean, I look at that and just go, they're, they're, they're starting to really get it together here in the right way. Where did I write that down?


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[Assistant] It's all coming together and they're healthy. That's the other thing too.


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[Assistant] You know, O-Line's great, they're finally healthy. OBJ's healthy. Rashad Bateman's healthy. Mark Andrews is finally 100% healthy on that side of the ball. We've got to save flowers, okay? Hopefully Gus Edwards and Justice Hill stay healthy, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, what was it? The damn running back Mitchell from East Carolina.


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[Assistant] Right? Uhm, but yeaah, they got, they got everything. And the system...


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[Assistant] I know Greg Roman, he did some good things, don't get me wrong. You know, I always was like, I wish they did a little more in the pass game. I think they do a lot more in the pass game now, and they're tying it all together better in a better way than I've ever seen. I said this in the last few weeks, right?


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[Assistant] If, when they were at their best, they look really good. This was the first time they put it together for a full game.


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[Assistant] The Ravens are one of the best teams in football. Don't get it mixed up. And I, you know, they're gonna be one of the teams standing here at the end of the season.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, ehm, Ahman, what we said last week about your lions, remember?


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[Assistant] That they go all in on certain situations, right? They're all in or you're all out. Yeah, they're all in. If it's third and four, they go all in on stopping the five yard pass.


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[Assistant] If it's fourth and one, they're going all in on, we're going to stop the run up the middle here, right? Now I don't know why you would go all in on this play when you know it's Lamar Jackson and there's a chance you could keep the ball around the edge. You know, I think you always have to be aware of that with Baltimore, but as you see right here,


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[Assistant] Rickard, right? Patrick Rickard. And so now they're going, oh man, they got a lot of big people on the right side of the ball. They're going to run it right up the middle. We got to worry about that. And they overplay it to such a degree that there's nobody, no contain on the backside. And if you watch these dots here, like 79 Kaminsky, who goes after the ball the right way, he does it right.


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[Assistant] 31 Joseph is a free safety, who's aware. To me, I think the guy that messes up here is your rookie, is Campbell, right? The first round pick for, see him, 46 at the end of the line of scrimmage? I think he's the one that needs to stay home. So now where you would have had


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[Assistant] Campbell and 31 there to maybe stop Lamar, right? He had a lot of room and space there. It was going to be tough either way.


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[Assistant] I think that was part of it and that was still, I think, part of the themes of the game.


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[Assistant] And one of the things we talked about, you know, the game started out with the Ravens and two tight ends and you guys played it like, like,


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[Assistant] You know, the forward pass wasn't invented yet. Like you were, I mean, like literally, like you were like, man, there's two tight ends in the game and they got 10 guys within, you know, eight yards of the line of scrimmage. And the Ravens, like I said, they got some guts where they just went, we're not going to let you play that way. That's not going to happen. We're, we're fine.


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[Assistant] Throwing the ball and being aggressive if you want to give us those looks. And Lamar is throwing the ball as good as anybody in the NFL right now. Uh, he is amazing. And he's


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[Assistant] So patient and so awesome in the pocket, like.


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[Assistant] So that's, that to me, like, is the perfect way to kind of just, you know, exemplify it, right? Is there he is, okay, and do we have dots? Are we gonna show that play too? Do we have dots at that beat or no? I'm not sure if we did or not. But either way, that 9 second pass play, yeaah. I mean, first off, Aguilar is on the right.


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[Assistant] Running a short route, like, on the front part of the end zone. Okay? So, here it is. Here's the play.


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[Assistant] Watch how it kinda goes, works here. Aguilar's in the slot to the right just running a little slot out route. Go ahead, you can let it run Pete whenever you're ready. He drops back.


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[Assistant] Okay, here we go, and it's a four man rush, he's got time, there's really nobody open, right? Still hangs in there, waits, and as he now pulls up, he's still looking downfield, hits Aguilar in the back of the end zone, but just an incredible job of


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[Assistant] Having that sixth sense that we talk about where he can like watch the rush and watch downfield at the same time.


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[Assistant] And that's because he's played so much football, and that's because he's super talented, and then he throws a great ball in the back of the end zone. But I think, yea, this just, this just shows you,


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[Assistant] He wants to work the pocket and, and, and strike gold with his right arm. He's not looking to make a highlight run or do any of that. And of course, because of the receivers and the answers he has in the pass game this year, I think that's, they're going to be at their dangers when he plays that style of football.


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[Assistant] And they knew that they were going to get this, and then they knew that Gus Edwards was going to be basically abandoned on the back side. Or, if we could, well when it replays here Pete, I'm going to tell you to stop it. Or,


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[Assistant] Was it, I'm not sure if it was like, he was really supposed to run a boot to the left here. Run fake, go, look how all the receivers are going that way, right? They have a pulling guard going that way. Right? So, that's where...


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[Assistant] They have a lot of these great, you know, play actions, RPOs, whatever you want to call about it through the game, right? Where I'm not sure there if that was, wait, the way they played it made me have to scramble to my right and I just found Gus Edwards? Or was it like all of that


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[Assistant] And we knew that they were going to be in a bind and Gus Edwards was going to slip out there to the right side. I'm not sure on that one. Did Lamar just run the wrong way?


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[Assistant] So, and this is the other part that's hard to tell, and if we can maybe put up the dots one more time.


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[Assistant] Right? And again, I don't know what to make of it if he just made a really smart play and it all worked out or if it was just a, hey, we think we can screw them over with this right here and find Gus Edwards out the backside and they're not gonna have, you can either run it


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[Assistant] Or, cuz 34 has to cover Gus Edwards, or Gus, or he comes to get you, and now nobody's there to cover Gus Edwards. I'm not sure about that. But they had a lot of cool game plan plays throughout the game, so that's why I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt for right now, because, uh, they, they did prove it to me, you know, for the most part.


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[Assistant] Okay, the Lions were compromised. Your front four had no chance of ever getting there. That would be the one thing. Right? And that's probably gonna be the thing to watch out for you guys. Do you guys have another pass rusher? Right? And then this is a game two where...


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[Assistant] You know, again, I think they're off, you're scared to blitz a whole lot because their offense is starting to show explosive answers and he knows where to go with the ball and you guys don't want to play man to man. That's not the style of football you guys play. So they put you guys in some binds that way and made you have to do some things that you did not want to do.


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[Assistant] They're gigantic. They're gigantic. They're gigantic. Exactly right. And yea, the small guy's the center, which is what you want, cause he needs to be explosive and move and do some other things that the other guys can't. But, they're maulers. And they're gonna put people in a bind.


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[Assistant] And, uh, like I said, if that group stays healthy, you know, like we saw in this game, you guys are pretty good at stopping the run and doing that. You couldn't get off blocks against them. They swallowed you up. Even though you guys are pretty big, they're bigger than you guys. And, uh, you know, between that and the way, you know, Lamar's throwing the football,


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[Assistant] You know, we'll go back that this Ravens offense stays healthy. It will be a top offense in the NFL. There is no question about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, you certainly are better than them. I would expect, uh, last week kind of wakes you guys up and gives you the edge back that you need. And, uh, yeah, I would expect you to handle business against the Raiders.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, seriously. He's going, I got all these cheeks and I can't get this award.


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[Assistant] Right? So they, you know, they do that to people a lot. They did it to Buffalo the week before. Oh no, they're gonna blitz. Oh no, they're gonna blitz. Let's keep seven or eight guys in the block. And then they all drop out and you go, damn, we only got two guys running routes and they got eight guys covering. We're in trouble. Right? So they're phenomenal at that. And then when he's playing like that,


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[Assistant] And Leonard Williams next to him's playing damn good. And then it becomes, uh oh, there's issues. And of course we know that Washington line is not good, and they seem to actually be getting worse here as of late. But this guy's a force of nature.


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[Assistant] He is, I'm so glad that people get to see some of these big guys and we give them some love and all this because they don't always get the love but, I mean, he was dominant in that football game the other day. Every time he looked up.


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[Assistant] You know, big sexy Dexy was a part of stopping a run or pushing somebody into Howell's face or of course getting the sack himself.


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[Assistant] You know, you took about the last two weeks, the performance is there. You know, his value just goes way beyond just going, oh, he sacks the quarterback, right? When they needed the ball back on the last drive of the game,


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[Assistant] I mean, two of the three plays are Miles Garrett just going, no, you're not running the ball. I'm coming down the edge and, you know, up yours, I'm here and I'm going to make the tackle or ruin the play. And you're not going to be able to run the clock out of us and get a first down. He's amazing in all areas. And I feel like this year,


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[Assistant] You know, this is where we know he's great. He's always been great, right? He's going to the Hall of Fame. We know that.


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[Assistant] Schwartz has gotten something more out of him, Jim Schwartz. I think that's where we gotta credit that a little too. Yea, the defense is better, he's making them believe, you know, but I feel like he's maybe pressing the right buttons with big old number 95 too going like, hey, you've been awesome, but I think you could take over even more. You know, it just feels like he,


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[Assistant] Has recognized moments all year long to go like, I gotta take over right now. They need me at this second. Right? This game's slipping away from us. I'm gonna have to jump over and block the field goal here. Right? There's an awareness there, I think, that he has right now to where, yeaah, it's incredible.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know, he seems like he's on the inside track for defensive MVP right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would say so. I feel like over the last three weeks, he's, you know, Micah's always great too, and the stats don't tell the story, but I feel like he's maybe even overtaken Micah as far as quality of play.


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[Assistant] Nobody can mess with that rear of Sexy Dexy. And damn, he can drop a low for a big guy too. And he can twerk. Drop a low? What does that mean? Drop a low. Drop it low, Ahmed. Come on, keep it clean over here. Geez.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you might have done some good things, but they're gonna hit you and make a few plays and get the ball back from their offense where you just go, then it almost feels like the defense can win some games by themselves right now with what Cleveland's doing.


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[Assistant] And again, I know they lit up all those yards, there's no doubt about it. 456. 456. But, strip sack fumble for a touchdown.


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[Assistant] Strip sack that set up other points. Block field goal that set up other points.


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[Assistant] Interception that set up other points, right? Their defense won them the football game still.


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[Assistant] You're not gonna sit here, you'll look at their scoring drives. I mean, you read it out. They had the first drive of the game. The second drive of the game was 5 plays, 36 yards. Why? Because the defense gave them the ball there. The next drive was 4 plays, 0 yards, 44 yard field goal. Why did that happen?


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[Assistant] Because the defense, okay, you know, they recover a fumble in the endzone, another seven points, defense, you know.


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[Assistant] The Hopkins 54 yard field goal. It's a 34 yard drive, but it was all set up by field position by the defense, right? I mean the whole game, the next field goal drive is 54 yards.


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[Assistant] It's a six yard, it's a 54 yard field goal. That's four plays, six yards, three points. Why? Cause the defense. I mean the whole game was still, every point they have, other than the last drive of the game, was almost, the first and last drive of the game were the only really sustained offensive drives of the day. You know?


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, their defense is awesome, all that, all, like no doubt, we got that, they made plays, they had issues.


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[Assistant] They had issues. Shane Steichen is awesome.


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[Assistant] I mean he's awesome. You know when I, last week when I said


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[Assistant] Shanahan, McDaniel, and Ben Johnson I think stand, you know, stand apart as the three best OCs, you know, maybe you put Andy Reid in there too.


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[Assistant] Right? I think Shane Steichen, I should have thrown his name in there. The problems he poses, the way he understands, the way he packages plays. The first thing I noticed about the football game is that he wasn't going to get in the condensed formations the 49ers did. He watched that game and said screw that, we're going to put all these crazy


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[Assistant] That was the big thing. The Browns have gotten to the point of when you play them, it's almost like the Cowboys. The first thing you have to tell your offense is


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[Assistant] Don't let their defense align win the game for them, right? You almost have to, you have to as a play caller go, wait, I want to call this play, but this could end up in them strip sacking or something bad here.


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[Assistant] Let me run the ball here. Let me do that, right? You have to be cognizant of that. They can, like I just said, win the game by themselves. So, that's where Steichen was awesome. He was like, I'm not gonna let this become Gardner Minchew drops back 42 times. Cause he knew if that happens,


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[Assistant] Bad shit's gonna happen, he's gonna get stripped sacked, he's gonna get hit wide throws, it's gonna be interceptions, and it's gonna be a disaster of a day. So he was almost absurdly impatient with the run game.


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[Assistant] You know, but at the same time it was working, it was not letting them just tee off, and then they have an extremely creative run game. They really do. They do some stuff that is so cool. It's a little different than Shanahan and McDaniel, but it's still every bit as effective, maybe just not quite as flashy as them, like pre-snap with all the movements and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] RPO run the ball, be conservative. I mean, obviously, you know, you're going to have to drop back and pass on third down situations, but even with that, you got to be careful. Right. And he was too with that too.


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[Assistant] You know, always wide receiver screens, running, had a great running back screen game plan, right? So he really kept Cleveland off kilter, and he took advantage of Cleveland's overaggressiveness in the run game a few times where, you know, just without getting too in the weeds, and I know I wrote a few plays down in the notes where, you know, they just,


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[Assistant] Like things you wouldn't think of where they were like, Hey, we know this middle linebacker is going to fill the a gap so fast that let's use it against them.


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[Assistant] So what they would do is like, so when they do that, the D tackles get a little wider because they know the linebacker is going to run through there.


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[Assistant] So now the interior lineman blocked the D tackles, and they basically trap blocked the linebacker going, wait, here's the hole, and like we always talk about it, like when they see a hole, they run through it on aggressive defense, so he's running through it like, hey, I'm gonna kill this guy, look at the hole, and all of a sudden they trap block him with like the tight end that's off the ball.


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[Assistant] Read option RPOs that really, so they, they spread them out, they're worried about the traditional run game, they're doing that, and then it's, wait, Gardner keeps the ball around the edge, and the two receivers on that side are running a little route, so he wants to run.


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[Assistant] But if they over commit to him, then he just dumps it off to one of the receivers. When he ran for his first touchdown, that's what it was. It was a read option RPO. It's both. They want him to keep the ball, but if somebody comes up and there's somebody open, boom, you could throw the football. He keeps it, runs for a touchdown. They had a number of wrinkles like that in the football game altogether.


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[Assistant] They are going to be in this thing in the end, you know. Defense is solid, maybe not as good as I thought it was going to be, but he's a hell of a coach. And, you know, you look at them, you go, they got a good old line, they're playing way better than last year.


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[Assistant] They got two good blocking tight ends, who can also catch the ball pretty good. They got two really good running backs.


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[Assistant] They got two receivers in Pierce and Pittman who are good and also really block in the run game. Like, like as good as any receivers you're going to find in football, right?


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[Assistant] So, within that, they have a lot of versatility within their scheme, and like we talked about with the Eagles last year, whatever, they just got checks and balances and a zig for every zag and, oh, you stop this, well we got this, so you can't always overplay to stop this. They always have something, and that's where he's really special, let alone just like,


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[Assistant] Good game plan plays and understanding how to stress defenses out like we talk about, you know, what the, what the good quarterback or good, uh, offensive coordinators do.


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[Assistant] Just still a really good job. That's the big thing. That defense is awesome. They're awesome. The Browns still awesome. They were. And the Colts, the patience with the run, the boot passes, the, you know, you know, uhm, the screens back to the running back.


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[Assistant] They never let the drop back pass game be a normal part of their offense. There was very few plays. And when they did have those plays, I felt like they kind of like, wait, we got something that's going to screw them over here to where you won't have to hold the ball a long time. Really good job by them. And yeah, like you said, they're going to be in this thing for a while.


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[Assistant] Yes. Yes. I mean, the Ravens to me are the only ones right now that I go are elite on both sides of the ball in that conference. Right, Cincinnati has the chance to do that.


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[Assistant] You know, Cleveland also gets Deshaun Watson going and get him going and playing the way he is. They have the potential too, but, you know, it's an incredible division. But yes, you know, the Ravens are, for my money, I look at them and go,


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[Assistant] They're one of the three or four best teams in football, right? You know, like last week, you know, we talked about the NFC teams and your Lions being up there and that upper echelon is there. I think if you just put the whole league together,


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[Assistant] You know, I'm still, of course, not getting off the 49ers. We know the Eagles are, you know, the kings of the NFC. Uh, the Chiefs, of course, are right up there. But Baltimore would be the team that I would put up there right next. That would be the team right up there with them. Yeaah. There's no weakness on their team that I look at right now.


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[Assistant] Plus, all customers can get a no sweat, same game parlay every day.


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[Assistant] Did you see how they closed the game out against the Rams with the quarterback sneak?


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[Assistant] I don't know what anybody at 345 Park Avenue is looking at. I watched that play on film last night while I was at my son's practice. They didn't get to the line of scrimmage and they gave them a first down to win the football game.


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[Assistant] Is that, I mean, that's where it's like, wait, you have to get to the yellow line to get to the first down. The blue line was the line of scrimmage. He didn't get to the blue line.


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[Assistant] Right? Even on TV when you watch it. You watch it in film, you go...


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[Assistant] 100%. Hey, at Lockdown CB, you're my mofo right there. That's the right question. You've obviously been listening, right? He listens to the podcast. He realizes like, wait, it's a team that misses guys that can do something after the catch or whatever. He's one of the few guys that can do it. Every week I sit in the screening room watching him and I go,


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[Assistant] They gotta get this guy to ball more. He's the only guy that can catch a ball and then do something after the catch other than digs at the receiver position.


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[Assistant] So yes, I would love to see that. I think that point is very real.


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[Assistant] Why can't they get him more wide receiver screens, speed sweeps, whatever else, right? Let him work the slot. Find ways to get him the ball running. He's dangerous. He's the, yes, one of the few guys they have that. I think that's a great point and uhm, I think we gotta keep, you know, banging the table at that so the Bills maybe do it.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta have some of these guys, right? And these are some homies that are realizing it. They must listen. Like it can't always just be the coach calls the perfect play and the quarterback makes the perfect throw and do that. You gotta have some guys that can help you and do some, make some plays after the catch without a doubt. He was the difference in the football game.


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[Assistant] You know, big reception, screens, punt returns.


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[Assistant] Reverses or maybe they have the little shovel passes, you know, that sometimes I forget. I look down and I go, wait, was he got a rushing attempt in the game? And I go, oh wait, that was the one where they just, you know, barely threw it in front of the quarterback and he, he takes it that way. He without a doubt is the guy that they need to focus that offense on more. Same type of thing, right? You know, it's, it's,


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[Assistant] It's, the offense is not super creative. They got bigger type receivers. He's the only jitterbug, rocket up his ass type of guy that can make some things happen, you know, after he has the ball in his hands.


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[Assistant] He was banged up early in the year, right? I feel like I'm, you know.


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[Assistant] 16 seconds, no timeouts. I mean, this is the worst call in football this year. By far. By far. It's 10-7, you feel like, wait, the Niners got momentum here, they're gonna go into halftime. What are you getting out of this play? A sack? It makes no sense. No. Why would you roll the dice there at all? Okay?


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[Assistant] Why? I mean, why even invite the possibility forget the route that they threw and yes, they could have intercepted it, but there you go. When it's a 50-50 ball, it's can 50 go not your way. What could he have been thinking? I really don't understand it.


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[Assistant] To the slightest bit. I have no idea. There's no way Kyle Shanahan, you know, could have been happy about that call. You know, even like,


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[Assistant] If he throws a slant route, you just go, wait, if my guy doesn't make the tackle, he's gone for a touchdown. Why would we risk it? What was to be gained there other than meatheadedness of like just going, we're tough and we hit your quarterback one more time.


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[Assistant] You don't do that, especially in that situation with a team with no timeouts.


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[Assistant] It was totally their wrong call and, and really one of the biggest reasons they lost a football game.


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[Assistant] Cause there they go in the half down by nine and they should have been going down by three and feeling good about themselves. Instead you go in deflated and, you know, now you're, you're playing catch up ball, but made no sense. But now on top of that, what I do want to add to is O'Connell,


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[Assistant] Okay, it might not be quite as sexy with the pre-snap motions and all that, but his understanding of...


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[Assistant] And tying the plays together and then the understanding of coverages and the nuances of how they run routes against certain coverages to make sure that it makes it harder on them, right? You know, not every route's the same against cover three as it is cover four. You teach your guys like, hey, they run this coverage, we want to do it like this. They're all over it with all of those things. Like, out of this world. And they had an understanding of the 49ers scheme


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[Assistant] As good as anybody I've seen in football since the Chiefs put up 45 last year. You know, the 49ers, we've talked about it. They like to zone everything off and pass it off. If you're smart, you can find ways to stress that out in the right way. The first touchdown to Mario Addison. He runs the deep cross post down the middle on, on Greg Greenlaw.


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[Assistant] It was man to man on the backside. They knew that. They had a little three man bunch combination where they kinda spread it out.


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[Assistant] And they went, okay, if we do this the right way, we can kind of, they had five, five zone defenders playing three receivers.


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[Assistant] We keep doing that, I know, sorry, uh, yes, but Jordan Addison then gets one on one, but there was so many plays like that through the night.


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[Assistant] Where they knew how the 49ers were gonna defend certain situations or plays and cousins got them to the right play in the line of scrimmage and they stressed out that 49ers D as good as anybody. I think Wilkes is still getting used to that style of play. It's not the Steve Wilkes defense.


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[Assistant] It's the Kyle Shanahan 49er defense. They have to come in there and learn what they do. That's how they do it there. And I think he's still probably tinkering and learning as he goes here. And they've done a very good job so far this year too.


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[Assistant] So it appears, and I think what you see too is you just notice it more with Debo because you're going, when he goes in motion, you're like, something's about to happen. They're gonna throw the pass to him, they're gonna give him the ball in the reverse, right? They're gonna give him the shovel pass. So I think it's a little bit of that. I do think maybe the last two defenses they played as well.


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[Assistant] Probably had something to do that. Well, just all the things they do on the defensive side of the ball. Maybe you don't want to be as crazy shifting in motion. You know, maybe he was worried about like, we want to see the picture a little bit, our own line, the quarterback. I don't know. But yeah, you know, again, he's special.


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[Assistant] Not everybody can do what he can do, you know. I know Brandon and I looks good.


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[Assistant] He ain't Debo Samuel. He can't accelerate in two steps like Debo Samuel. He can't cut on a dime like a running back like Debo Samuel can. You know, that's where he's special. He can't take the contact Debo Samuel can at the second level with linebackers and safeties is why he gets hurt a little bit because he thinks he's a bulldozer.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I would think that's probably the reason, and again too, Tyree Kill, Deebo Samuel, they're the few people in football who can run full speed motion, and then also run a full speed route, and you're like, there isn't gather steps, right? They're rare that way, and that's probably another reason they weren't motioning quite the same way.


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[Assistant] Well, I think we, we hit on it in Cleveland, and I didn't watch, I only watched the 49ers defense versus the Vikings offense. I didn't get around to the other side of the ball yesterday. Uhm, but just watching, of course it was a standalone game, so I feel like I get to see a lot. Flores, like Schwartz, they realize where Shanahan likes to throw the football.


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[Assistant] And they like to stress you out, hey, they want to run the ball, they want to run the ball, then they want to fake the run, and you're so worried about it at the second level, boom, they throw those little pop passes right over the middle, and Debo's running with his hair on fire at full speed, and all of a sudden he runs to an arm tackle, and we're like, oh my gosh, he almost broke it all, it was a 20 yard gain, right? I mean, that's what they do.


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[Assistant] Brian Flores and company and Brian and Jim Schwartz two weeks in a row, they were like, wait, wait, wait, wait, we're gonna make you throw the ball down the field a little bit, outside over here a little bit.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're not gonna just let you gash it. So they had people in the middle of the field, fake blitzes, drop out, you know, actually do blitz, whatever, but they were both defenses I felt very cognizant of in between the hashes playing Shanahan, which I think is the right approach against them.


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[Assistant] I don't think his confidence, I do think he's not throwing the ball as well as he can, right? He has missed some throws, uh, that you'd go, wow, he usually just slam dunks that right in there, that's not even a problem. So, I think he might be going through a little lull there, right?


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[Assistant] Don't look at their offense and go, wow, creative. Alright?


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[Assistant] Again, they're not that good at running the football. And my other thing too with them is they have no separation receivers. You know, Kenan Allen's good, don't get me wrong, but they have nobody that you go, oh wow, he's going to run by.


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[Assistant] Put it on his back shoulder. Put it high and away. He'll get it. You know, even if he's covered, he's not covered. They don't have anybody that you really look at to go, oh yeah, he's going to leave this guy in the dust and create five yard separation.


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[Assistant] You know, so I think that lends him to being careful at times, and that's an issue as well. Uhm, so I think that's the big thing there, and they're just out of sort of a football team, and then of course the micro, the microscope's on him even more because their defense stinks, so we're always just like, well Herbert has to make a big throw here, he's got to make another big play here. And yea, he's not been on his 100% A game.


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[Assistant] Alright, I don't want- Let's hit the Travis Kelce one real quick. Alright, alright. Are you sure you're not gonna get fired or you're not gonna get me fired? I'll just, they'll understand. It's not like we're sitting here like, you know, just like drinking beers and like, ah, screw the boss. I mean, we're doing a show that's for Peacock here.


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[Assistant] Well, it's, it's easier said than done. Sure. Alright. So, uhm, yes, uhm, hold on. Uh-oh. What did the boss... I gotta... Okay, we do need to cut it short, apparently. No, we're not. We gotta keep it real here. We're gonna, uh, just finishing Pod. Okay? Alright.


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[Assistant] Travis Kelsey, first off, you just said, well what if they send all five guys out now? Now you don't even have five guys to cover. You got seven guys, you got four men, four man rush, you got two guys covering Kelsey, and you got one guy spying my home. There's five eligible, so now you're one short right away. So the first answer is they're gonna free release and you're not gonna have enough to cover.


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[Assistant] Right? Right? So, okay. So, yeaah, you're right. Kelsey, so you still have one guy each. He's right. I missed in my math there.


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[Assistant] You're right, you're right, you're right. So, you got him there, but...


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[Assistant] The way they call plays and all that, it's gonna be too hard.


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[Assistant] First off, Mahomes is special. And now you're gonna leave, yeaah, with some of these deep crossing routes and the way they have formations and movements and all that. Like, I don't care who it is, MBS, Watson, some of the other guys, when they're running a 30 yard crossing route versus man to man and if they get the right leverage, they're gonna be open and he's gonna hit them.


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[Assistant] So it's just easier said than done when you talk about it. Let alone, I don't think people realize how much


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[Assistant] Kelsey is doubled a lot of the times, and then my homes buy so much time that the double can't even hold up all the time.


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[Assistant] So that's the other issue that they have with it, and doubling a tight end can be hard, okay? It can be hard because they, they work the middle of the field, it's...


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[Assistant] You know, they motion them to one side and another side. All of a sudden they can change totally different rules or whatever else. Or you can be exposed in the run game because of certain things. So that's where, yea, you gotta be tactical. You can't do it every play with them. And I think it's really what they call the rest of the patterns along with it.


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[Assistant] That scare teams from going above and beyond and that doubling Kelsey thing, cause they go, this is still Mahomes and he's still, if we do this, is going to hit people like we saw Valdez Scantling, you know, the other day, wide open down the field for huge gains.


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[Assistant] It does happen. It does. And, you know, everybody does it their own little different way and not everybody's scheme can handle it the right way. You know, they're also very good at


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[Assistant] You know, putting them in spots where you think about it and you go, ooh man, if we double them and they run this formation with this play, we're going to be in real trouble in some other areas. They're cognizant of that as well and not letting you do that too often.


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[Assistant] Alright, we'll talk about that next time. I'm sure everybody is very happy about that. Okay, good. We had some good comments.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's good to hear. That's good to hear. Alright everybody, I hope you enjoyed the podcast, the deep dive, the what the f*** happened in the PG-13 Treasure Hunters edition. Ahmed, as always, thanks for driving the ship. You the man. Of course. Much appreciated. Homies, thanks for the questions.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna try to deep, do this every week, I think a little bit, to where we hit a few from you guys and we can really unpack this whole thing.


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[Assistant] Hope everybody's good. Enjoy the rest of the week. Enjoy Thursday Night Football. PFTPM. Chris Sims on button. Picks podcast tomorrow, Thursday. Be good. Clap it up.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what up homies, thanks for watching. Remember, subscribe to Chris Sims on Button.


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[Assistant] Right now we got Sunday pod, right? So you can have it Monday morning. We recap all the action. Wednesday is the what the f*** happened podcast. We're going to get deep in the weeds on the key matchups of the week. And then Thursday, I'm picking games with that jerk, Floria. So you know where to find us homies. Keep watching. Peace out. We'll see you.


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[Assistant] It's a black guy. It's a black guy in that whole thing. Like, seriously, how could you do that? It was bad. Okay. It was bad. So let's never talk about it again. Let's just forget that it ever happened. So we're continuing on this pod. This is, by the way, our last pod before a hiatus. Wow. Before a break. Right.


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[Assistant] Don't take your break yet, because we got one more thing to do. Yeaah. We have the AFC for the greatest 21st century players, non-quarterback edition. Uh, this both gave us a headache last time with the NFC. I did walk away, I was like, my brain was working too much thinking of all these players. Definitely. But I think the homies appreciated it, I appreciated it. I hope so, it's a good conversation.


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[Assistant] No quarterbacks. Quarterbacks get all the glory. Not here. Not here. We're excluding quarterbacks for this greatest of the 21st century. Uh, only counting players in the 21st century. And so, uh, one of the homies said, how would you leave off Mike Singletary? Wasn't in the 21st century.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Their argument is that we never did a year zero, so year one was the start of the new century, but, but like...


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[Assistant] Screw that. Screw that. We're way past year one now. We're reordering everything. Uh, some of the reaction real quick before we get into the AFC is on the NFC, uh, some legitimate names here that maybe we left off. Uh, J, uh, Gino Redd, A99 says, what about Sean Taylor?


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[Assistant] I know. And the J, G, no, red, A, it was like, all works together, doesn't it? Does not work, actually. Ringo number four says, does Kyle Wong deserve to be considered for the Bears?


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[Assistant] Let's start making decisions again. Okay. We narrow all these down to five players. Unless we can't do that, then we go six. Unless it's the Seattle Seahawks, then we do seven. So at the end, we may, we may get very, uh, very tired. Yeah, maybe four.


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[Assistant] So we'll start in the AFC West, I like that Pete. Give some west coast bias to the start of today's podcast. And I feel like this is going to be a difficult


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[Assistant] The chiefs are in this division. We'll get to them in a second. The chiefs are going to be hilarious. The chiefs are going to be very difficult. We do start with the Denver Broncos who have had a long, long history and maybe would have more difficult to do in the


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[Assistant] I know, yeaah. She does not like Pete. She will enjoy the hiatus as well. Uh, but well done, Gabby, and getting all these names in here and the dates when they played for the team. So, right off the bat, this is how we do it. Who are you putting in? Slam Dunk.


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[Assistant] They're all in yellow because they were on an NFL all decade team, either early in the 2000s or 2010 and on.


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[Assistant] So I do too. I think Elvis Dumerville is definitely in. So he was a five-time Pro Bowler, two-time All-Pro. I think he's in. I think so. But, you can also make a case for Ryan Clady, who was a two-time All-Pro himself.


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[Assistant] Pete says one of Doomerville's All Pros was with the Ravens. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] So hard choices, the Denver Broncos, we got the five there with Bond Miller, Champ Bailey, Chris Harris Jr., Demarius Thomas, and Ryan Clady. Moving on to the Chargers now, maybe this will be a little bit easier. We also have three players who are on


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[Assistant] Five time pro bowler, was a comeback player of the year, was a rookie of the year when he first started out. Yeah, Keenan Allen is in.


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[Assistant] Junior Seau now played most of his career in the 90s. I know.


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[Assistant] So total, total sacks, it's Phillips who has more sacks in the 2000s at 69.5. Bosa though not far behind with 60.5 does have the defensive player of the year award and has that higher ceiling. I think it's Joey Bosa.


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[Assistant] Yeah, say how three seasons in San Diego, three Pro Bowls, one All-Pro, still was very good, but just didn't play enough in the 2000s. And as far as the receiver numbers, yeah, Gates was over 11,000 yards and 116 touchdowns. That's insane. In the 2000s.


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[Assistant] Justin Eckler, Melvin Ingram also names in there, Casey Hayward, defensive back, but just outside the top five. Yea, I think so. I think we got that one right there.


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[Assistant] You mentioned Tony Gonzalez. He is one of many who will be considered here for the Kansas City Chiefs. We have had five in our first two groups.


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[Assistant] We are not going to have five in this group. I, I, because there are already six players who made NFL all decade teams with the Kansas City Chiefs. Gabby had to work overtime on this one. Tony Gonzalez, Travis Kelsey.


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[Assistant] Of all those names, oh, there it is. Yep, he's there. Updating in real time. Boom. Good job, Gabby. Uh, so, of those six names, I mean,


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[Assistant] Holy crap. Because there are other names here that I feel like have to be considered. Okay.


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[Assistant] Mostly in New Orleans. Wait, did we put Willie Rove with the Saints? I think we talked about it.


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[Assistant] I mean, cause, I mean, he... Yea, I know. He needs to be on one of these teams.


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[Assistant] So maybe we gotta go back and out of the Saints. Pete, can we do that? Can we go back and put them, like, cause if, if we're gonna put them on either team, it was nine years in New Orleans, it was just four years in Kansas City. The four years in Kansas City were very good. Yeah. Couple first team all pro. Right. But the years in New Orleans were really good too. Very good too, I know.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's right. You're right. He's a, he's a seventies baby. You're right. Most of those years in New Orleans. So we got it right. We were right. Don't second guess yourself. So now do we have to put him on the Chiefs team?


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[Assistant] The best guards in football there for a while. So basically from the year 2000 on, he was all pro bowl in every one of those years and all but two of those years he was first or second team all pro. So, Will Shields is in.


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[Assistant] Running backs are insane. Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, and Jamal Charles, all careers spanning with the Chiefs in the 2000s.


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[Assistant] He's a little crossover, but only for like a year. So 7200 yards in the 2000s for Jamal Charles, Priest Holmes had 6000 and Johnson had 6000.


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[Assistant] So Justin Huston did have that one awesome year. Yea, the 22 sacks. 2014, 22 sacks, first team all pro of course. But after that, he played a lot, but only had one other season where he was over double digit sacks.


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[Assistant] They're doing something right. They are. In Kansas City and Philadelphia. Alright, six for the Chiefs. We move on. One final team out west. That is the Raiders. Oakland, LA, Vegas Raiders. I don't think they were not in, well they were probably in, well they were in LA in the beginning of the 2000s, right? I don't know, they were not.


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[Assistant] I can't even remember what decades are. I was like, I was young, and he was like, yeah, you were young in the 90s. Okay, whoops, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you were. Uh, alright, so for the Raiders, they do have three guys who are on the All Decade team. Oh, Pete is excited here because we may get our first punter into the mix. Shane Leckler from 2000 to 2012. Definite. Definite in. Definite.


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[Assistant] And he was there with Vinatieri at the time and who else was winning all the awards? Yeaah. Gaskowski. They were killed.


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[Assistant] Put a pin in that, put a pin in that. Alright, how about Charles Woodson? I would say yes. So we put Charles Woodson on the Packers team, right? Damn. Which is fine, we can do that. We can do that. Now he spent, yea, was he, I'm looking at, he was 7 years in Green Bay.


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[Assistant] So here's the numbers and you can react. He was defensive player of the year in both places.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's right. Defensive Rookie of the Year, his first year in Oakland. He was Defensive Player of the Year in Green Bay. He was... First, his only first-team All-Pro was in Oakland.


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[Assistant] So he's not in, I don't think. I think we got the perfect spot. I think we got the right spot for him.


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[Assistant] I think you're right. So we got Lechler, Janikowski, Asimow, Khalil Mack, and then we've got Lincoln Kennedy on the offensive line tackle and Rodney Hudson's center. So Hudson, three Pro Bowls, Kennedy, three Pro Bowls, one All-Pro in the 2000s in just four seasons for Lincoln Kennedy. I know. This is one of the hardest ones.


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[Assistant] It might be just, it might be just four. Do you think though that Rodney Hudson has been kind of a staple of the Raiders here and what they've been able to do offensively?


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[Assistant] Difference, you know, difference maker. So he was first team all-pro in 2015. Right. First team all-pro and defensive player of the year in 2016. Yeah. Pro bowler in 2017. I think he's in. I think he's in. Alright, let's put him in. Four seasons and he's in. Yep. And so that would be, and then are we putting in Rodney Hudson? That's what we, I was


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[Assistant] This is what I'm worried about too, is that the guy who would win this is Charles Woodson and we're leaving him off. Like I feel like Raiders fans out of these names provided would probably vote for Charles Woodson as their best of the 21st century non-quarterbacks.


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[Assistant] Alright, so we're done. We're done there. We got the Raiders. This is hard. I feel like it's harder this time. What's going on? Are we being tougher in our rating?


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[Assistant] We're in the mix of things a lot. We move on to an easy one. Our AFC South first team is the Houston Texans, JJ Watt.


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[Assistant] And that's it. Alright, we're moving on to the cults now.


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[Assistant] That's five, right? So we got, before, yeaah, four until Arian Foster. I'm gonna pump the brakes on Foster here. We got too aggressive there for a second.


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[Assistant] We got excited. Because we got some other good names here. We got, uh, we've got Larry Mutunsel. Yea, right. We got a couple linebackers here. I know. D'Amico Ryan. D'Amico.


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[Assistant] Yeah, leading touchdowns two years. Okay. It was over 100 yards per game in 2010.


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[Assistant] Chris Myers, at center. Owen Daniels, at tight end. Mario Williams, defensive end. Judavian Clowney. Jonathan Joseph.


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[Assistant] Alright, we got the five for your Houston Texans, moving on to the Indianapolis Colts, some other really good skill position players here, so let's talk about them right off the bat. I think we're putting in another kicker.


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[Assistant] And Adam Vinatieri. It seems like that, but this is, it'll be tough here. Okay, so hold off on that. Don't bold him.


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[Assistant] Is a slam dunk. Is a slam dunk. So Reggie Wayne, so the receiving yards, yeah, Reggie Wayne had 14,000 yards in the 2000s. Harrison had the 10,000, uh, but he did have 95 touchdowns to Harrison where Reggie Wayne had 82. So, but I agree, both of those guys seem like they were the Colts in the 2000s. Exactly. Jeff Saturday?


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[Assistant] I mean, Jeff Saturday is worthy of it, but...


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[Assistant] So Vinatieri is in, Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, and Edren James. We do have six. Yea, we got a sixer here.


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[Assistant] That's why they've been successful. You can see it. Antoine Bethay was 757, Hampton Roads kind of guy. Yeah. Vonte Davis there. But we got our six for the Indianapolis Colts. We'll try to do five for the Jacksonville Jaguars.


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[Assistant] Only one player was all decade team worthy, and that was Kaleus Campbell. Yep.


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[Assistant] Probably. I agree there. So we'll leave him off the, although we have enough to put on the Jaguar.


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[Assistant] Okay, Pete, are you surfacing the John Henderson clip? Oh, here it is! Oh, there it is! John Henderson, 67335, getting slapped by another man.


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[Assistant] Alright, we got the Jaguars, and now one more team in the south, the Tennessee Titans. I feel good about this one.


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[Assistant] Oh, you got him right here. He already did it. 4,600 rush yards for George. Uh, CJ2K had almost 8,000 and then Derrick Henry has already over 8,000. George is a 90's team. He's a 90's guy. Yep. I'm good with that. Chris Johnson, Derrick Henry in. Delaney Walker was a tight end.


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[Assistant] He had 51 sacks in the 2000s. That was more than, wow, Albert Hainsworth is second there with 24. I know. He was more of a big player.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I think we have our five. I think so. Jarrell Casey, Keith Bullock, Albert Hainsworth, Derek Henry, and Chris Johnson, crossing out Delaney Walker, crossing out Kevin Mawai, who I think we will probably put on.


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[Assistant] Alright, moving on now to the AFC North. We'll start with the Baltimore Ravens. And many, many players here. Many, many players.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ray Lewis. Oh, yes. Let's go Ed Reed. Yes. Only the two of us.


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[Assistant] I feel like we have to do Justin Tucker if we're gonna do Adam Vinatieri. Agreed. Right. Right. Okay. So there's three right off the bat.


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[Assistant] Also on the All Decade team, Marshall Yanda. Yanda. Yanda. How could I do that? Jonathan Ogden and Jamal Lewis.


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[Assistant] So like, so Ogden's the only one that played in the nineties, late nineties, but did have eight years in three, all pros in those eight years, seven pro bowls. So Ogden's probably got to be in.


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[Assistant] I think we go ham, I think we go ham, and I think we go yonda. Alright, so we go six. Partly because I mispronounced his name and you shouldn't do that with a guy of that stature. Uhm. There's a guard, we don't always care about their pronunciation. Other names, Jamal Lewis? I know.


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[Assistant] So, looks like this one will be a little easier. Uh, Geno Atkins was a member of the All Decade team. I don't think there's any doubt he's on there. So he's on. Yep.


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[Assistant] Andrew Whitworth is on, right? Andrew Whitworth is on. I think... I mean...


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[Assistant] I think AJ Green and Ocho Senko are both on. Agreed. Right?


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[Assistant] So then it comes down to Willie Anderson or Carlos Dunlap. I know. Some other names out there, TJ Houshmansada, Vontez Berfect, Corey Dillon, Rudy Johnson. Those seem to be in the.


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[Assistant] All in the 2000s were back to back to back years. So 2004 through 2006 he was as good as he has been. Yeah. But was probably good before then. He was. Maybe unrecognized. No.


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[Assistant] Right. Agreed. I think it's Willie Anderson. I think Carlos Dunlap was very good. Yes. And it's still, it's still playing. Still good. Still good. Right, right.


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[Assistant] You know, they do all that. That's right. And then the championship. Yeah, he had 5,700 yards in the 2000s, but AJ Green had 9,400. Yes. Chad Ocho-Senko, 10,000.


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[Assistant] 700. Right. 66 times. Hooshman's not an awesome football player. He just misses out on this one though. Easy for the Bengals there. We move on to the Browns. We'll see if it's as easy here. We have three players on the Browns who are on the All-Decade teams.


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[Assistant] Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, and Josh Cribbs. Kick returner, punt returner. That's interesting. I think we put the two linemen in right away. Joe Thomas and Alex Mack. I think so.


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[Assistant] Two Pro Bowls was not first-team All-Pro, was second-team All-Pro in 2013. Right. Really good.


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[Assistant] He was. It did fizzle out after. I mean, he had the great 2007 year where he led the league in kickoff returns and was pretty good for two years after that.


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[Assistant] If we're going to put out of three, Joe Hayden, Josh Cribbs, and Nick Chubb, you would go Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] Five, five good years, four Pro Bowls for him, yes. And if you are a Browns fan and really want Joe Hayden or Josh Cribbs and you have a really good argument. Yeah, then please. We're not saying this is set in stone. We could be convinced on this one. Exactly right. Those are the five. Nick Chubb, Joe Thomas.


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[Assistant] Uh, Joel, uh, Betonio, Alex Mack, and Miles Garrett. Cool. One more team. The rivals, the Steelers here. This one's gonna be difficult as well. Oh my gosh, it is. Because you already have five here on the All Decade team, so.


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[Assistant] Hines Ward has to be in. I know, I was thinking that too. Hines Ward does have to be in. Has to be in. Has to. Hold on though. There's a lot of names. I mean, 11,000 yards for...


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[Assistant] Hines Ward, you're right. And Brown had 11,000 yards too. It's gotta be. Ward did it over more seasons, but that's fine. Okay, you're right. Both those wide receivers are in.


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[Assistant] Did we just say three? Yeah, we have three. Troy Palamalu, Heinz Ward, Antonio Brown, so we gotta get into the offensive line. Alan Fanica's gotta go in. I mean, Fanica's in.


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[Assistant] Running backs are out. Jerome Betis, Le'Veon Bell, I mean, play for another team. I'm sorry. You're not in this.


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[Assistant] So do we have to do seven for them? So here it is right now. Hines Ward, Antonio Brown, Fanica, Pouncy, you've got Cam Hayward, you've got James Harrison, and you've got Troy Palamalo. Is that seven? I think so.


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[Assistant] So Harrison had 80 and a half sacks, TJ Watts 77 and a half sacks. Jeez, oh Pete. And he's got defensive player of the year.


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[Assistant] If you were to go between T- You could make a case for T.J. Watt over James Harrison.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm gonna do? What are you gonna do? They've been so good, they got so many good players, they all deserve to be on there. Fine. We're going 8. We're cop out. We're giving the Steeler fans a chance to choose who they like.


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[Assistant] I think Pouncy's not gonna win obviously, but he deserves to be on there. He deserves to be on there. And he's gonna look at this one day and be like, whoa, Chris Simms and Ahmed did that non-quarterbacks best players of the 21st century. Why is my name not on there? It is on there. We go to one final division, the AFC East, the Buffalo Bills we start with here.


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[Assistant] Okay, only one player who was an all-decade team member and that was their punter. Geez, you would have got me on that one. I would have been like, who? Who was it?


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[Assistant] Wow. Dang. This is not that impressive. I thought the bills have been good here recently. Wow. I mean. You're right. Maybe it is the Josh Allen show.


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[Assistant] Who would you put in between Matt Milano and Trudevius White? Gosh. If you had to pick one of those two.


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[Assistant] After the receiving stats in the 2000s, Eric Moulds was the leader with 6,100 yards, so not many, but that was six seasons, so averaging over a thousand a season. Lee Evans, seven years under 6,000, 5.934k. And then Stefan Diggs, three years, 4,100 yards. Like, this is where the Diggs


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[Assistant] Tough one. Jordan Poyer, 6 years in Buffalo, Pro Bowl this past year, first team all Pro the year before that.


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[Assistant] I'm on board with that. I'm on board with Jordan Poyer. Over Micah Hyde if you were to


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[Assistant] Yep. Just one Pro Bowl, second team All-Pro, two of those years though. It's close between those two. It is close.


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[Assistant] Yeah, is right. Man, I feel like that was stressful. My lion's head. So here's my bold prediction. I'm sorry, a bill is not going to win this competition.


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[Assistant] When it comes down to the who is the player. I would agree with that. It's a bold prediction of what I'm saying that's not going to happen. Right. Who knows? Maybe a dolphin will though, because they got a couple of good ones. So Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor in automatically. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. No doubt about that.


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[Assistant] Right. Even though they were late 90s, but


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[Assistant] So there are three corners to be considered here. I know. Sam Madison, late 90s, early 2000s, Patrick Sertan, late 90s, early 2000s, then Zavian Howard, here recently. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So we got Zach Thomas, yea, Jason Taylor, Cameron Wake, and Xavian Howard. Got a couple linemen, Jake Long and Mike Pouncy. Mike Pouncy, four Pro Bowls. Jake Long, just five years.


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[Assistant] Gosh, Ricky Williams. Ricky Williams feels like a player who should be on this list. It's sneaky.


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[Assistant] 6,400 yards with the Dolphins, seven seasons.


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[Assistant] He's in. He's in. I think so. One really good year and then he had some other pretty good years after that.


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[Assistant] So Madison led the league in interceptions, but that was 1999 for Patrick Sertan. You do have first team all pro in 2002. You have second team all pro in 2003, a pro bowler in 2004.


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[Assistant] So a well reasoned argument. We will put in more, more players there for sure. Two more teams to go through, the New England Patriots. Oh god. Yea, this is going to be another one. We should have done this one earlier, Pete. I'm exhausted.


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[Assistant] Wide receivers. So you got Randy Moss, you got Wes Welker, and you got Julian Edelman. Gosh.


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[Assistant] So the numbers, so Gronk. Edelman is probably the guy we gotta choose. Gronk throws them, uh, throws them all out here, beats them all. Yeaah. We're getting late in the pod. Uh, 7,800 yards, 79 touchdowns, Gronk for sure in. Then you got Wes Walker, second to him, 7,400.


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[Assistant] And you know who had more touchdowns than Welker or Edelman or Dion Branch? Randy Moss. Had 50 touchdowns.


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[Assistant] So wait, so. I know. We have not put Ty Law in, although Ty Law was late 90s. I look at him more 90s. Okay, so he's out. Alright, but, but, but I know, it's another tough one. So defensive secondary, you've got Stefan Gilmour, you've got Devin McCourty, and then you've got your coworker in Rodney Harrison. Oh, they're both, they're both coworkers. Oh, that's right, yeah, that's right.


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[Assistant] That's true. Okay, so we're not putting in Rodney. We're putting in Devon McCordy and we're watching you have dinner with both of them before the season.


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[Assistant] Wait, so, wait, hold on, another name. Teddy Bruceki. I know.


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[Assistant] Alright. We did it, right? Six there? Jeez, that was very... No Stefan Gilmore, yea. No, no Matthew Slater. Nope. No Willie McGinnis or Mike Vrabel or Gerard May or Dante Hightower.


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[Assistant] So five, we're not doing Edelman. The only one, the only one.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I don't think. I wasn't sure. Bob wasn't sure what you thought. Okay. I don't think. Because I still feel like Thai law. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Five seasons, three Pro Bowls, one All-Pro was the All-Decade team. Should have been the Super Bowl MVP if they didn't give it to Brady. I almost think we should put him instead. I kinda think so. Okay, fine. I can get behind that. Okay. I can get behind that. Alright.


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[Assistant] Yep, we got, the final is Gronk, Mankin, Seymour, Wilfork, Tylaw, and is that it? Devon McCourty. And Devon McCourty, that's right. Alright, one more team. The New York Jets.


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[Assistant] So Kevin Mawai is in, because we left him off the other team. So yes, he is in. Darrell Rivas is in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, 371 carries there, and he was over a thousand yards in each of the 2000 seasons until, correct, in 2005 when he fell off. He did, because he was...


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[Assistant] We'll give Jets fans six. Alright, we'll give them six. They're excited. Alright, cool. And it's the end of the pod, and that's what we do. I'm surprised we didn't just say whatever you list here, Pete, goes. But, alright! We did it!


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[Assistant] Why would we do that on our last pod before the hiatus? We should have just had like an easy one where there was like no thinking involved, but.


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[Assistant] Any guess who that's gonna be? Who's gonna emerge? Ooh, wow. I feel like my Detroit Lions have a chance with, uh, Calvin.


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[Assistant] This past weekend also, Taylor Swift was there. Damn. It was the Taylor Swift era's tour. She's everywhere. She's everywhere. So who knows if it was the real Taylor Swift, it just might have been one of her clones, but they were there, they were right across the street at Ford Field, which is right next door. I was going to say they played inside at the bigger venue. Yea, the Lions Stadium, so uh, it was crazy.


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[Assistant] So, so we have a question from Corey Joskiewicz about this. He goes, Chris, can you break down the legs in A on this guy? Uh, his interviews seem promising, but a little concerned about the field upside, so. Yea, why hear you Corey? You're right. At the end of the show, I decided that I was gonna


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[Assistant] Two pods. And so we're gonna do something a little bit differently. So we got some reaction to your top 40 quarterback list. We'll get to that.


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[Assistant] But that's okay, I've already said that. So what we're gonna try to do is we're gonna give the finalists for each of these teams, we're gonna go through every team, we're gonna go through the NFC here today, and we're gonna give the homies like 5, 6, 4 players to vote on.


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[Assistant] We'll do an actual bracket where these players, these team representatives, as voted on by the homies, will then go against these other team representatives and it will whittle it down to one player, the player of the 21st century in the NFL. The homies shall have their say. The homies will definitely have their say. We will give them the finalist, but to your point, if we leave someone out,


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[Assistant] The final list of finalized players. But then the homies will pick the player, and then that's all up to them. It is out of our hands after we determine these finalists here. So let's start in the NFC East. Why don't we do that? Although it does seem like we always, in the NFL, it's like the NFC East we always start.


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[Assistant] They're the kings. They're the kings. So that's why they start this list. We have just determined it. Alright. So we'll start with the Cowboys in the NFC East. And if you're watching on YouTube or Peacock, we will try to have the names of the players that are in consideration here up for a lot of it. Uh, but if you're listening to the pod, let's go, I'm going to read them. I'm just going to go through them though. The ones that PETA's determined.


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[Assistant] Are in the discussion for the best player of the 21st century for the Cowboys. You got Zeke Elliott at running back, Terrell Owens, Dez Bryant, Larry Allen the guard.


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[Assistant] Tyron Smith at tackle, Zach Martin the guard, Jason Whitten at tight end, Demarcus Ware linebacker, and Micah Parsons at linebacker. There's a lot to consider here. Those are some greats of the great. I guess where we should do this is just put in the slam


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[Assistant] Because I would put Dez Bryant above of Terrell Owens just because of what he did with the cow.


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[Assistant] And then Zeke is not on this finalist list? Larry Allen is really the tough part to me.


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[Assistant] And he was on the 2000, all 2000's team too, in the NFL.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he had 11 Pro Bowls total, 5 were in the 2000, so I think you're right. You gotta put him, right? I think we gotta put him in there. Give him his chance.


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[Assistant] So that would be, that would be six players. Six players. I think that's good with the Cowboys. Six players, the finalists for the best of the 21st century.


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[Assistant] It's close. But could he win? Out of those players, is he going to win? You're right, he's not going to win. I think that's a fair thing to say. That's a good way to assess it.


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[Assistant] You know? Uh, Tiki Burger, uh, Tiki Barber. Tiki Barber! Yea, Tiki Barber and Saquon Barkley. I combined them.


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[Assistant] He's the team's, what, all time leading rusher? Exactly, there you go. Some of those years were in the late 90s. Late 90s, right. Yup. Yeah, put him in the finalist group, for sure. I think so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we should pick maybe the top wide receiver of this group. We've got Amani Tumor, we've got Plexico Burris, Hakeem Nix, Victor Cruz, and Odell Beckham. Man, that's some, some guys right there.


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[Assistant] The most receiving yards in the 2000s for the Giants is Amani Tumor with 7,600. Odell Beckham is a couple thousand behind them. But yea, I think the wide receivers, no, didn't make the final group. They're all great. Worthy of discussion. They should not feel bad that they're not a finalist in this team.


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[Assistant] Antonio Pierce, the linebacker, so, some good names.


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[Assistant] I think so. Offensive line, so Lane Johnson. Yeaah, I think we gotta put him too. I think so too. We have two tackles in the center in already. We know you're gonna put in Fletcher Cox.


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[Assistant] He's in the actual Hall of Fame, so 9-time Pro Bowler. And he's an ex-teammate of mine in Denver. So you have to do that. I got to, right? He'll beat me up. So he's definitely in. So that leaves the names that Pete has put here who we have not already put in. Brian Westbrook, the running back, 2002-2009. LaShawn McCoy, of course, and then Deshaun Jackson.


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[Assistant] Let me, let me try to guess. Yeah, go ahead. So are you gonna go Trent Williams?


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[Assistant] Uhm, are you gonna go... Levar Arrington? Nope. No. Not slam dunk.


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[Assistant] You know what London Fletcher was, so I was in Virginia Beach covering the local team then, which were not called the football team or the commanders then. But he was like the heart and soul of that team.


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[Assistant] So other names to consider. Running back Clinton Portis, wide receiver Santana Moss, tight end Chris Cooley, and guard Brandon Sheriff.


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[Assistant] I think if you're going to pick an offensive player for them that was the most dangerous player, I feel like it was Santana Moss.


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[Assistant] Yes. He's saying that Trent Williams would get more love over Chris Samuel. Yes, he would. He would. You're right. He definitely would. Alright, so I think we got this. That's the five. Santana Moss, Trent Williams, London Fletcher, Ryan Kerrigan, and D'Angelo Hall. I like that.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's a good five. NFC East is done. We closed the book on that. We opened the book to the NFC North.


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[Assistant] Because the Lions have won so many Super Bowls in their history, and so we do the, oh, they're still waiting for their first, but it will come this year. Your favorite team, Ahmed! We start with my least favorite team. Here we go! The Chicago Bears, the best of the 21st century non-quarterback division.


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[Assistant] We got, uh, some good names on defense. Julius Peppers and Khalil Mack jump out to me. Peanut Tillman at corner. Yep. Ooh, Devin Hester could have our first kick returner. I know. Into our finalist group. Uh huh.


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[Assistant] So we gotta put Brian Erlacher in, automatically. Erlacher and Briggs, to me, are automatic. So Lance Briggs is in, two linebackers in already.


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[Assistant] Number one, maybe you shouldn't be over Lance Briggs for the reasons you mentioned, but.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna put in a kicker. Jason Hansen was so good for them for so long. Now a lot of that was late 90s too.


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[Assistant] Now, Jeff Backus was so good as a tackle, played from 2001 to 2012, but...


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[Assistant] I don't think he was ever like the best. No, I don't know if he ever was either. He played all 16 games every year except his final year. That is amazing.


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[Assistant] Played his whole career in Detroit. You know what, throw him in there. Throw, throw in Jeff Backes. You wanna throw him in there? Just the longevity award. I wanna give him a, you know, crank rack now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Jameer Gibbs will be the next Barry Sanders about time. We just had to wait 30 years for it. Uh, here's another one where Kelvin Johnson will win.


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[Assistant] We have more names to consider here for the Packers. Yea, we do. We have three wide receivers, which I think is maybe the most interesting place to start here. Yea. Cause you had Donald Driver, who played from 99 to 2012. Jordy Nelson from 2008 to 2017. Damn. And of course, Devonte Adams from 2014 to 2021. How many of those guys do we want to put in to the finalist group?


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[Assistant] So Donald Driver I think is the all time leader in many categories. Receptions, receiving yards. I believe you're right. I think Donald Driver has to go in.


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[Assistant] So the two thousands receiving stats Pete has put in here. Donald Driver did have the most, 10,000 yards, 740 catches.


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[Assistant] Uh, most touchdowns was Devonte Adams with 73. He had the second most receiving yards. Now, Jordy Nelson did have 69 touchdowns. That's why he sticks in our brains because he bridged the gap too between Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre.


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[Assistant] One more team in the north, the Minnesota Vikings, the Fighting Florios, uh, let's put in, hm.


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[Assistant] He's in. Right? And I think, well, hold on. I know. Burke is close, but I think Hutchinson is in.


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[Assistant] I think Harrison Smith. Six time Pro Bowler. His entire career with the Vikings up to this point. I think he's in. And I think Jared Allen's in. I think this is one where we go six people. I think so.


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[Assistant] No Adam Thielen as well. No Adam Thielen. Right there really. He has the most receiving yards in the 2000's for the Vikings.


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[Assistant] Alright, so we got six there for the Minnesota Vikings and now we go on to the NFC South. We'll start with the Atlanta Falcons. And since we started with Randy Moss last time, I think we start with Julio Jones this time.


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[Assistant] Yep, I'm gonna go with those two. Roddy White, another wide receiver, 2005 to 2015, 11 years. I know, man.


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[Assistant] If you're an Atlanta Falcons fan, who are you voting for? Tony Gonzalez or Julio Jones?


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[Assistant] I got you there. So if he's borderline, let's dismiss him. Yeah. And we'll include him with the Kansas City Chiefs.


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[Assistant] So it's uh, the defensive end is John Abraham. He led the Falcons in the 2000s with 68 and a half sacks. So I think he's in. He's in. I think he's in.


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[Assistant] Now consider this with Julio Jones. So Roddy White, 10,000 yards in the 2000s with the Falcons.


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[Assistant] Uh, da-da-da-da-da, let's see. I'm trying to look at the slam dunk guy first. Luke Keakley? Definite.


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[Assistant] Agreed. D'Angelo Williams, like a running back for, was, the longevity was there for him, but I don't think he makes the cut either here.


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[Assistant] Agreed. Maybe Alignment will get more love with the New Orleans Saints as we move on to them. Although they do have some good skill players. Uh, I think, first of all. Yes, first of all, what do you think? I think, I think Alvin Kamara is in. Running back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. He had five Pro Bowls, but two of them were in Seattle. He was All-Pro one time, second team All-Pro another time in New Orleans.


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[Assistant] Boy, this is tough. Because I also think that, you know, Joe Horn needs some love.


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[Assistant] Uh, or is it, as Pete says in my ear, is it one of those situations where they're all kind of close and so none of them make it? Like we, no one has separated themselves enough from each other to where...


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[Assistant] Pete's now saying he likes Marcus Colston. Almost 10,000 yards in the 2000s. I know. Colston, Roman Harper.


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[Assistant] Alright, so there we go. We got our five for the New Orleans Saints. We did not put Teron Armstead in there. Four time Pro Bowler, but we're okay with that.


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[Assistant] 100% in. I think Warren Sapp is in too. He was first team all-pro in three of the four years there in Tampa.


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[Assistant] Gosh. He did lead them in sacks in the 2000s. It was Rice and then McCoy.


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[Assistant] And then Shaq Barrett, 40 and a half, and Warren Sapp at 35. What about Gerald McCoy though? You'd put in Simeon Rice over Gerald McCoy, defensive tackle?


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[Assistant] I think I was, McCoy was really good. Six time pro board. I know.


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[Assistant] So Levante David I think is in the hall of very good. Yes. And has been consistently good. Yes. So I think we throw him out.


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[Assistant] That is one, whereas he was a three-time All-Pro. I know. Did any of those, although... I think they all happened maybe before. They did all happen before the year 2000. So Mike Alstott, he should have been born four years later, and then he would be on this list. The train, Mike Alstott, choo choo! Yes, yes. And uh, John Lynch.


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[Assistant] So there we go. We got Mike Evans, Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice, Derek Brooks, and Ronde Barber for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And we got one more division to go here. We go out west. The NFC West. We'll start with the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] Not a whole lot of names, this is reminiscent of our Detroit Lions discussion. I think it's, but it's sometimes nice when there's no, because I think it's pretty concise. We have a break, we can take a team off.


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[Assistant] There's not a lot of thinking. So we got Larry Fitzgerald in. No doubt about it. Yep. Clarence Campbell.


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[Assistant] Yep. One time all pro. Yep. Played his whole career. In Arizona. In Arizona. Yep. I like it.


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[Assistant] I loved Anquan Bolden, he was a great receiver, but I think Larry Fitzgerald passed him and...


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[Assistant] Say the names just right off the bat. So Marshall Falk, Steven Jackson, Todd Gurley, Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt, Cooper Cup, Orlando Pace, and Aaron Donald. Who are we going to leave off? I mean, Aaron Donald and Orlando Pace, get in.


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[Assistant] I mean they're, they're, so that, that's for sure. See you later there. Names that Pete has as like also worth consideration. You got Andrew Whitworth. It's insane.


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[Assistant] So Steven Jackson has over 10,000 yards with the Rams in the 2000s. I feel like we gotta take him. I feel like he has to.


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[Assistant] But most of his damage came before 2000 and he was very good after 2000.


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[Assistant] He's not there yet. He's not there. Tory Holt is in. I think so.


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[Assistant] And Isaac Bruce is a no. Even though he's in the Hall of Fame, a lot of that came before the year 2000. Great player. So Marshall Falk, Stephen Jackson, Tori Holt, Orlando Pace, Aaron Donald. That's a good group. That's a damn good group. Holy cow. Move on to the 49ers, the fightin' Kyle Shanahan's.


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[Assistant] So let me think, the slam dunks are ready. I think you go Navarro Bowman, slam dunk. Patrick Willis, slam dunk. Patrick Willis, slam dunk. Joe Staley, slam dunk. Joe Staley, slam dunk. I think so.


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[Assistant] Frank Gore, slam dunk. Frank Gore, slam dunk. So that's four dunks. Terrell Owens again, no, cause it was 96 through 2003. Yeah. Right? And I don't think it's enough in the 2000s. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So here is an argument for Vernon Davis, even though we've eliminated him already. He had 55 touchdowns. And he had more receiving yards than Kittle. However, it was more seasons too.


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[Assistant] I like leading the 49ers in sacks in the 2000s. I know. Overshadowed, like you said, by Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman. Yes. Matt Casey has put his vote in as no. No. I like his name, Ahmad. It's a good sounding name.


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[Assistant] I'm on board. And just to solidify how good Frank Gore was with the 49ers, over 11,000 rushing yards and 76 touchdowns in his tenure with San Francisco. And one of Jim Harbaugh's favorite players, and Frank Gore loves Jim Harbaugh. So I'm predisposed to like that.


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[Assistant] And. They got some good ones man. Again. I mean, it's, it's, I, I. So the two safeties, Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor. I know. Are both in, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Richard Sherman and Bobby Wagner, you gonna leave them all? And they've gotta be in too, don't they? I, I, I, pfft, I guess. Marshawn Lynch has to be in.


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[Assistant] So we should look at Marshawn Lynch and Shawn Alexander together. So Pete is doing that while he tabulates some numbers here. Steve Hutchinson, we put him in with the Vikings already. So I think even though you could make a case for him with the Seahawks as well.


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[Assistant] Pro Bowl three years, and then with Minnesota, he was three time All-Pro. Pro Bowl four years. So I think we got the right team with him.


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[Assistant] Okay, so Walter Jones, Hutchinson out, Walter Jones in.


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[Assistant] So now we gotta figure out between Marshawn Lynch and Shawn Alexander. Alright, the numbers are pretty clear here. Shawn Alexander 9,400 rushing yards in the 2000s. 100 touchdowns. Marshawn Lynch 6,000 rushing yards. 58 touchdowns. Now fewer seasons.


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[Assistant] But not by much. Yeah, it's only one year less. He was the, Marshawn was the heart of that team. He was!


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[Assistant] People do love Marshawn Lynch, but that defense is Seattle. That defense is the story, I would think.


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[Assistant] That was a hard exercise. That was kinda hard. I actually have a headache. We just remembered some dudes right there. Uh, are we done now, Pete? I don't even know how long we've been going here. I think that's good. Okay, so we didn't get to the Ask Me Anything questions on the quarterbacks, but we've talked about quarterbacks enough already, right? Enough quarterbacks. I mean, damn.


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[Assistant] So after the show, we're going to post a link on social media to give you guys a vote so you guys can go vote. So we'll do it for the NFC and then the AFC separately, Pete, or will it all be one big Google document?


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[Assistant] I played in this division last year and I'm pretty sure the Bucs won it still, so uhm, I don't really care what the people in Vegas are putting odds on it because it's May. We haven't played a real snap of football. There's a long way to go before that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's just the time of year where everybody's pretty bored and they don't really have much to talk about and, uh, it makes it fun.