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[Assistant] With entertainment muay thai, then you're even stripping out the gyms, and you're just really now have promotional muay thai.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's a style that the promotion is like putting on all fighters and all fighters are, uh, bending themselves to that style. It happened in the past, Wang Song Chai had his style, but now there is a kind of like, uh, stripping away of nuance and history.


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[Assistant] And heritage that is even more extreme to just pure product in a way. And I don't, I do think there's reasons for this and I don't want to be like, oh, only down on the present or whatever. Cause history, like things become popular for a reason, history marches on. But I do want us to like capture out some of these.


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[Assistant] Details that are just being rubbed out. Like when Pudpat Noy told us we just filmed with him for the library that he was from Concairn, I'm like, oh.


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[Assistant] I just knew that Karhat and Samra were like...


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[Assistant] A 15 year old now cannot hear cashmere. You can hear it. You can fucking dial it up on Spotify.


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[Assistant] But you can't hear it anymore. You can't hear that driving volume of that main line.


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[Assistant] That was very interesting. You have more thoughts on that? Tool marks? We're talking about tool marks?


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[Assistant] I think that tooth marks were kind of like the tool marks. That you could see how a fighter was shaped. That regions and then gyms had


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[Assistant] You could feel the craftsmanship in the creation of the fighter.


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[Assistant] In their fighting. It expressed more than just themselves. This idea about fighting that is this great... Combat sports are this great art form because it's just you in the ring and nobody else and it's just you all by yourself. But that's not Thai.


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[Assistant] To these tendrils of what made you and the people that support you.


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[Assistant] The guitar solo in the Golden Age fight is the fourth round when the fighter just goes to the nether gear and just blows the fight out without even landing a strike even. Like, this beautiful escalation, this expressive...


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[Assistant] You don't want to be disheartened by these erasures, but you also want to take note of them.


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[Assistant] Daniel Dennett, writing that in his book about Bach, changed my life and my perspective just noting that.


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[Assistant] But there are things in this world you think you are listening to them and you're not even listening to them anymore. And I feel like these fighters...


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[Assistant] It's not the same thing, but it's like, you watch a Karaha-Wang-Chenoy fight, the first two rounds edited out. Okay, their techniques are preserved in a way, but then you go visit them and you learn as a, as a earnest fighter.


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[Assistant] You have them train you in person for an hour.


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[Assistant] And a lot of those materials that are not fighting, their personality, their body posture, all those things suddenly are recorded and reattached to their moi.


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[Assistant] Biomechanical extraction of a technique, like, oh I like how he does that, I'm gonna do that in my MMA fight.


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[Assistant] There is some sense, like, the historical fabric is reattached. It's not completely lost. Before we started making the library, it was lost. There was no, there was no access to it.


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[Assistant] I mean we didn't know even where these people were. We didn't even know Diesel Noy was teaching around in any way like when we first started this thing.


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[Assistant] Okay, can we roll through this to this next topic? No, no, it's the same topic, but it's the other half of it.


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[Assistant] So this is a very kind of like depressive kind of like wasteland concept that we've been, that I've been talking about. Everything lost.


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[Assistant] And, oh, Walter Benjamin for philosophy, sociology people, uh, social critic, philosopher, uhm,


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[Assistant] He wrote about, he has this beautiful essay where he talks about the angel of history, and he's thinking about a painting by Paul Klee. Klee? I don't know how to pronounce the European name.


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[Assistant] But he imagined the angel of history. This is how he summarized the angel of history. So everybody who cares about this stuff is like the angel of history is bending down facing the past. The future is behind him and he's facing the past and he's bending down to pick up the things that have fallen.


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[Assistant] Behind him, or it's actually in front of him, because he's backwards facing, and the winds of progress blow his wings open and blow him forward, which is backward.


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[Assistant] There's this sense of desperation because you can't grab everything. It's like trying to grab everything in a burning...


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[Assistant] Building, you know, house. You're like, do I get my baby pictures or do I get the trophy? Like, you know what I mean? And I think this image he has is that the angel of history is this like metaphysical being almost who's like trying to pull, pick up the things that have fallen in the past and


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[Assistant] And, but his wings, the very nature of what he is, is blowing, he's catching the wind of progress. And so, that's kind of where we're at in this melancholy way.


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[Assistant] And this, but this connects to this other thing, which is that instead of talking about COVID,


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[Assistant] As a virus or a pandemic, I have spent a lot of time studying Spinoza and the century of, the half century of modernization in the early 1600s to like,


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[Assistant] The, the Dutch among the Dutch and the British at the time in that edge of Europe. And it's like.


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[Assistant] What people don't realize about that time of modernity when, like, democracy was first starting to flourish, or corporations, corporate structures were starting to flourish, slavery was becoming an economic engine,


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[Assistant] Big things were happening. It was a time of plagues. Like,


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[Assistant] There were so many plagues at that time that were just wrecking cities.


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[Assistant] Like, yes, it's a virus, not a plague. The plague. But...


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[Assistant] The connectivity between everybody, yes there's digital connectivity, but the physical connectivity between all of us is what spreads plague.


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[Assistant] And the connectivity is what produces modern upheaval and change. And so, while we're talking about this, like, erasure of history and the past as a sad thing, and the just terrible things that are happening because of COVID,


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[Assistant] There is a perspective in which we're just, we are living in the time.


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[Assistant] That horrible things were happening in 1640.


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[Assistant] Plagues were just wrecking it. You got a letter, he got a letter, Spanoz would get a letter from a philosopher and he would, he would iron it to remove the plague.


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[Assistant] And I just think, like, yes, things, we feel like we're losing so much, and there's so much terrible going on, but this is kind of the state when everything changes. And, sometimes changes in just this incredible way.


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[Assistant] So how do you feel about that with Muay Thai? Like, cause we get locked in on this, like,


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[Assistant] I mean, COVID had to, yea, COVID had to fucking break the structures of Moi.


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[Assistant] Coupled with the problems of very powerful gambling interests, and now


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[Assistant] Women are supposedly set to fight at Limpini, which was unimaginable five years ago in the realm of Rama 9. So in Rama 10, women actually might, it remains to be seen, progress can always lead to backlash. So doesn't always go like that.


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[Assistant] There are, there have been some very big changes that have come about because of this disruption.


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[Assistant] And we don't have the foresight to see all the way to where it's going to transform. I'm just like, let's just not lose all the knowledge of the Moi of Rama 9.


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[Assistant] Right, exactly. And so, I don't know, to me I'm very- I actually think you're-


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[Assistant] To another era that was just going to be so radically different. But it's almost like to have the life where you've touched and you in your lifespan can reach across this boundary. I remember, I just saw this today on the internet that 66 years elapsed between the Wright brothers and landing on the moon. 66 years isn't even a human life.


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[Assistant] That's some rapid change. And so we don't...


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[Assistant] We can't say that the, for Muay Thai or the Muay Thai of Thailand that this is doomsday or something, but I'm like, I'm always like, very, uh,


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[Assistant] Passionate about an ecological sense of not losing.


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[Assistant] Like yeaah, some cool things could be done if we just like steamroll all the old growth forests and just put a fucking giant parking lot all over Thailand. But that feels like it's a waste.


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[Assistant] I wanna say, this is the way to watch the Muay Thai library. Cause it's like no other material on the internet or has been created on any platform. In any medium. It's like, don't just technique steal. Feel the aura of the man of the


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[Assistant] As much of the fabric as you can, because that's the precious stuff.


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[Assistant] I did a very long-form breakdown of one of my favorite fights of Sylvie, which I put on YouTube. I'll probably put it on Patreon also, with like an article or something.


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[Assistant] She fights a 60 kilo girl who's just, just unbelievably big, 30 pound difference, a skilled fighter too.


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[Assistant] And Sylvie fought this girl and it was just this great fight for me and I break down for an hour. I go frame by frame. I literally scroll through frame by frame with some visual notes and things. But for me, there's elements of this fight that are like, uhm, disillusioning.


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[Assistant] You know, Sylvie's tiny, these boys tall, and it's not even a technical thing. It's like, there's an-


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[Assistant] A dimension of the fighting that you fought in that fight is, is something that Diablo always talks about, which is this crowding


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[Assistant] Early round crowding. Make your opponent throw their strikes. It doesn't matter if they score. Try to block them or whatever. But you are crowding them, crowding them, crowding them. And you as a tiny fighter against this giant fighter are doing deal annoying. He did it as a tall fighter.


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[Assistant] Who could kinda like spider arm people. But the same aura like had crossed over.


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[Assistant] Arras in a beautiful way. And I'm like, that's how to watch these Muay Thai library sessions is look for the aura because all these fighters have very specific orders and we ourselves because of our generation and because we're not ties.


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[Assistant] We don't even know most of the fabric that's being referenced there.


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[Assistant] Not only what you're saying, but I'm saying there's something also for one to do now.


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[Assistant] That is not true, but if you want, if you want me to take the lead, I can.


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[Assistant] So we posted a video where she just, it was actually this beautiful video, to give you a little bit of an idea where like, we thought to ourselves, it'd be really nice to just make a video encouraging people out there. Like,


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[Assistant] Not everybody, but like think about a group of people that need encouragement.


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[Assistant] And I was like, well Sylvie, who do you think you'd want to encourage? And she was like, trans fighters. And I was actually very surprised. I thought you were going to say something else.


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[Assistant] First, it was the first one that came, like, it's not something we talk a lot about.


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[Assistant] Beautiful video of just encouragement and support for trans fighters from the basis of being, as a female fighter, someone who there is no place really in the sport. Like...


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[Assistant] There are places for female fighters, but there is this feeling like you still have no place at the table. And that's how Sylvie approached this. It's like, you feel like there's no place for you, I have felt there's no place for me, keep going, encouragement.


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[Assistant] And there was whatever, as you'd expect, some kind of internet pushback on this whole thing and people taking their positions, but this leads to something that actually I want to talk about, which is


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[Assistant] Not that argument, but rather to talk to you about this actually amazing thing that has happened in your time in Thailand is that you've actually had very, uhm,


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[Assistant] A lot of contact with the gender divide in the country.


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[Assistant] And so I kind of wanted to like talk about that and let people know, because not everybody knows, and then also maybe bring some, get your view on that.


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[Assistant] Because right now we're in a vague area, but like, it's just, you want more lead in? I can give you more.


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[Assistant] The most famous trans fighter in Thailand was Isnong Toom, of whom the, uh, movie Beautiful Boxer was made. And she's still a star in...


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[Assistant] All the people that trained you were part of the her time.


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[Assistant] Like, there was no real br- Lana Muay Thai doesn't really exist anymore. There is a Lana Muay Thai. It was bought.


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[Assistant] Right there, right there. Like, uh, well, did it mean anything to you when you discovered this? Nongtum was in your corner when you fought your first big fight. Well, I'll start there because that's-


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[Assistant] Well, she was fighting as a man, but she was not identifying as a man.


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[Assistant] When you say as a man, it kind of obscures the fact that she was known as trans man, trans spider, right?


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[Assistant] But still fighting as a man in the ring. But what made her separate from any other man was that she was very visibly a trans fighter.


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[Assistant] And she became very famous for it. And there's a beautiful movie, beautiful boxer about it. But...


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[Assistant] You, part of this is that you were actually connected to Lana.


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[Assistant] You didn't realize that she actually was from the same gym.


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[Assistant] I remember you in the pre-fight room when she was there and it felt like you felt touched by her presence.


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[Assistant] Well, I actually want to go, don't want to jump to that one.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, because that was the next one. So that was the first, kind of like, coincidence of, uhm,


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[Assistant] So, Pechi Ja, at the time, when she was your hero, what was...


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[Assistant] Surreal. Like her timing, her eyes, like not just pretty technique, a lot of fighters have pretty technique, but her timing in her eyes and her control over the fight space. She was strong. It was very like, and clinch fighter, like her skills were pronounced.


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[Assistant] You're talking to P'Nu about Petty Ja, and what does he say?


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[Assistant] Like, through this door, there's a chicken farm, where chicken man lives.


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[Assistant] Well, when we, first of all, you trained with her every single day. For maybe more than a year.


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[Assistant] Doing pretty much all the training she was doing, you were doing, plus two other sessions.


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[Assistant] All they would do is run in the morning, so they wouldn't even do training in the morning. So, but you were actually undergoing...


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[Assistant] There, as a western female fighter, you spend a year training with Pat G. Jha full time. It's just this incredible...


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[Assistant] Coincidence of history that is just mind-blowing.


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[Assistant] I don't know that there's ever been a Western female fighter that trained full-time with a Thai female fighter for a year. Ever.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I can't picture one, maybe there's one out there, but, and this Jim is just her and her brother.


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[Assistant] It wasn't like there was a gym of 20 people and oh yeaah, she was there on the bag somewhere or something. It was f-


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[Assistant] Her training, her dad trying to like build her into a star and the whole family was freaked out that they had gotten to this amazing point where Ashwin Dam and uh, Mr. Pinsanchai was like a sponsor and giving them money. He had built them this ring and she was on national television and she fucking got


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[Assistant] Stopped because she developed breasts and suddenly it was...


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[Assistant] Not becoming, what was the, they like had an announcement on television?


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[Assistant] No longer appropriate. She was beating boys.


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[Assistant] She was becoming this star and suddenly no longer allowed. And you were right there during this time of upheaval in the family where they're like trying to make her better and better, but there's no one for her to fight. She's like 13 years old, 14 years old, right?


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[Assistant] Not only did you get to train with her this entire time and just like...


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[Assistant] undergo her training, clinch with her, work opposite her. It was just a few people in the gym. But then we also were living through with them while they were living through this transition of frustration. And she fought


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[Assistant] Another boy in a show fight that you filmed.


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[Assistant] Touchpoint for female western Thai co-experiences.


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[Assistant] We're talking about lesbian, I want to express it. Yes. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Orientation and presentation, anti-female fight, but there are a lot and you have fought a lot of toms.


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[Assistant] The yes or no question. This is opening up descriptions. You didn't ask a question. It's not a question at all. I'm like, take it away, baby.


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[Assistant] Totally. But I'm kind of drawing out that not only were you training with Patchy Ja, but you also have been fighting Toms. Yes.


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[Assistant] If you fight a lot in Thailand as a female fighter, you're fighting Tom's.


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[Assistant] A hypothetical Western female fighter might not be aware that you're fighting a Tom.


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[Assistant] Like, you don't realize there's a pattern, there's a sociological group within Thailand.


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[Assistant] Shaded to a tom identity. Like there is a strong dimension of it.


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[Assistant] So, this is just this incredible, like, nexus.


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[Assistant] That happened with you training with Pachi Ja, who was trying to, was actually trying to break the gender barrier.


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[Assistant] And then was cut off from it. And then you also had that much smaller experience with Nongtoom before that. And then, how much time do we have here?


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[Assistant] We left Omi-kun. You modified your training again.


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[Assistant] Petchyjaw fought a few female fighters. Destroyed them. We did see her lose one.


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[Assistant] Really big. She started having to fight much bigger. She went to Japan and fought up and lost and nobody said anything. She lost the path forward from this peak as a 13 year old. And she's actually part of the reason why I feel like


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[Assistant] The biggest difference between the genders is sociological in fighting. Like, she was at this incredible moment and then everything got cut. Her development got cut.


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[Assistant] That she then trained against once she left the like little pen of


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[Assistant] Uh, she trained against her brother. Boom boom boom boom. And continued to be trained as a boy.


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[Assistant] Like the equal of her brother. Is her brother older or younger? Older. Older. So she had an older brother who was actually quite physically small.


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[Assistant] So, so he wasn't, there wasn't like this big lopsided thing. So she could steal, sharpen, sharpen steel. And he was actually very late in developing and he became a stadium fighter.


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[Assistant] We're not talking about something we heard about on the internet. We were there for a year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, some aspects of her, uh, moi have de-evolved from the lack of development. And then other things have evolved through her exposure to boxing. Uh, she was not a, she was not good with her hands when she was young.


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[Assistant] This is to say, you are right at this nexus of gender.


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[Assistant] Which is almost the most extraordinary one of this, like, the way that your path has like, walked a line, the gender boundary in Thailand. And this is the, this is a very special one, this is the most personal one.


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[Assistant] I mean, how did you always your hero before you met her?


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[Assistant] Male the female, transitioned woman, comes to the bedroom room,


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[Assistant] For fitness and some sense of self-defense strengthening herself and she sees you and your arms and probably how hard you work.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You make it sound like it happened suddenly. She had to put in so much work.


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[Assistant] I don't know, you gloss over this part, like, oh, and then she's in Limpini. It's like, I uh,


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[Assistant] Like I'm saying, you spent a year with Patchyjaw, training with her every single day.


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[Assistant] Not, I knew Petty Jaw, oh she was on television. There was this experience. This experience, from her like coming into the gym and being inspired by you, to actually being in the gym where she is transformed. She is not physically just transformed into a fighter. Her identity is changed.


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[Assistant] Well, he kind of held a traditional Thai bias against trans. I have a feeling.


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[Assistant] Because you, you changed his mind about yourself too. When we came to Petran Rung, one of the first things we said to him was, Sylvie wants to fight a lot.


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[Assistant] Like, you have no idea how much Sylvie wants to fight.


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[Assistant] That was beyond, you were beyond the chart, there's been no female fighter like you in history.


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[Assistant] You blew the like cap off of expectation. You trained so hard and so rigorously for


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[Assistant] Without relent, like he would just call you the machine.


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[Assistant] This is the thing for me. It's like you were doing this thing and you had this, you had this feeling like you're alone in the gym and you're doing all this work.


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[Assistant] And the really, you're not being appreciated or accepted in the same way. Like there's still a line between yourself and the Thai boys. And this devotion to your work.


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[Assistant] Pat was at this time of Angie having this quiet cross.


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[Assistant] And the fucking like, uh, the work is the currency of authenticity.


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[Assistant] Which doesn't feel like it's been rewarded, like you cash in your work dollars and you're still second tier.


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[Assistant] Second class. So when Sylvie did this video about like,


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[Assistant] Encouragement for trans fighters not having a place at the table. She's actually speaking of, uh, even though I didn't think of it when I watched your video.


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[Assistant] Speaking of two years in the gym with a trans fighter, you independently are doing your own work. You're not fucking like, let's hold pads for each other. You are both isolated on a railroad track, all alone.


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[Assistant] Talk about this a little bit. Here, let me, uh, adjust this a little bit.


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[Assistant] And we should ke- ke- uh, clarify.


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[Assistant] Women, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're openly very embracing of you, for years, and supportive, and Bumrunge, especially the father, the patriarch of the gym was very supportive of you. You felt supported, but there were also structural differences that were not expressing an opinion about you. Right?


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[Assistant] Because, uh, trans, uh, trans women are uh, are very sexualized.


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[Assistant] Well, you're mumbling, I want people to know. And not.


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[Assistant] I just wanted to pull out the story that your entire time here has actually been characterized by some of the biggest gender edge


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[Assistant] Angie could have walked into any other Muay Thai gym and that would not have happened.


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[Assistant] PNU would not have been there. Like PNU appreciates work. Like there is even as much as you cannot earn on merit.


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[Assistant] A place as one of the boys. You do get a lot from merit. You do get a lot of merit. Like, from work there is merit. It just isn't enough to erase boundaries, structural boundaries.


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[Assistant] One can have two thoughts in the same conflicting thoughts in their mind.


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[Assistant] An equality thought and a totally no, no way thought.


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[Assistant] But he brought the first visibly trans fighter into the Lampini ring.


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[Assistant] And then, just to tack this on at the very end, for everybody who's like, the, the eternal laws of Thai culture and don't try to erase tradition, when the, when,


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[Assistant] Everybody didn't know whether Angie should go over the rope or under the rope. Seriously.


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[Assistant] We all think she's a man, he's a man, right? Legally, morally, therefore...


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[Assistant] We can't figure out this issue. Let Sylvie decide.


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[Assistant] But you, when you said this, I just listened, I just went on precedent, on Nong Toom, uh, you sounded like you were deflated by that, that you had done that.


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[Assistant] That's true, in interviews she says she goes under, but she went over, she had that moment, I wonder how she feels about that honestly, maybe she felt bad about it or something, but in a western context, in a pro fight, she decided to go over, and Loma's the Tom, we were talking about Toms, so.


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[Assistant] Very famous Thai female fighters or Toms. So I don't know, this is a beautiful story.


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[Assistant] It's, it's one of the like, buried stories of your experiences that you're actually been very, very close to this gender divide. And it's kinda cool.


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[Assistant] She, uh, saw Patchy Jog climbing through the ropes at her gym when she's supposed to go under. When no one looks, she would climb through the ropes. Her little 13 year old Tom identity. Do it quickly.


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[Assistant] The last topic is something that someone and I have talked about in the past. I think we were prepping for this. And I was actually surprised that we didn't 100% agree.


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[Assistant] In talking about this, I kind of still want to find out how we don't agree on this.


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[Assistant] I'm still confused about what your position is on it. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] I firmly believe, like firmly, that female, serious female fighters, like when you go into, like, I wanna be a fighter, and I wanna be the best fighter I can be, and I'm gonna think for myself how good I can be.


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[Assistant] I think that kind of fighter, female fighter, should aim, should think to be able to beat men. Train, like,


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[Assistant] Female, like when you're reaching for that mountaintop, you're not thinking that you want to beat a particular female fighter who's the best fighter in your mind at this time, or better than some historic fighter, but you should be aiming


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[Assistant] To beat men. And even think to yourself, who is the best man in my weight class? I wanna be good enough to beat that person.


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[Assistant] No, that's a different story. This is just taking aim. If you don't take aim, there can be no fight.


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[Assistant] Yes, like that, and not just you, but of 14 or 15 year old western girl training in her gym, setting the sights on who she would want to be able to be so good she could beat.


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[Assistant] That that, when you're aiming, when you're north starring,


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[Assistant] That should not only be, uhm, defined by your gender.


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[Assistant] And I'm very surprised that you don't 100% agree with me. Because I'm not actually talking about actual fights. I'm talking about picturing how good you want to become.


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[Assistant] And I even go so far as like, if you got proficient, like let's say you're a very advanced female pro fighter.


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[Assistant] Thinking about, like, picture, who, who would be, like, the number one, let's say, Lumpini fighter in my weight class. And then thinking to yourself, what kind of fighter would I have to be to beat them? And even training to acquire the skills.


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[Assistant] Like there was a Raja Damran fighter, Raja Damran champion, uh, almost at Sylvie's weight, 105 pounds.


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[Assistant] He was a Japanese fighter, a very protected fighter, like...


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[Assistant] In my view, it was a very protected series of belts he got. And he is very kickboxery.


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[Assistant] Not good in clinch. And I'm honestly like...


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[Assistant] That fighter, his sense of gotten bigger and he's gone back to Japan and does a lot of uhm,


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[Assistant] Mixed promotions. It's not important about who he was, but I looked at this guy because I wasn't looking for him. I was actually looking at who holds the belt at 105.


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[Assistant] Maybe, but it was a shorthand, it was a shorthand way to be like,


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[Assistant] Like, we don't know fifteen hundred pound male fighters. We don't know the weight class. We don't know it. So I was like, to myself, I was like, well, it doesn't matter. You pick the belt, you go to the belt because that is officially the best fighter in the weight class. He holds the belt.


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[Assistant] And the national stadium belts are, uhm, the standard of excellence in Thailand.


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[Assistant] They are the standard of excellence. You hold the belt, even if you have a powerful gym behind you or whatever it is.


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[Assistant] It's a standard, it's a stamp of excellence.


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[Assistant] The point was, starting to think about how to beat somebody, regardless of their gender, is a positive thing.


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[Assistant] A base assumption, men are better fighters than women.


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[Assistant] I didn't say that. When did I say that? I said it's a separate issue. One, you set your standards and your goals.


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[Assistant] You evolve yourself, and then maybe there is a possibility of a fight. But you don't do it because there's a fight. You, it's a question of, uh, goal setting, expanding yourself.


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[Assistant] But my point, my honest-to-god point is the differences between the quality of female fighting and male fighting isn't gender-based at all. It's not biological. It's sociological. Just like we saw with Pet G-Jaw.


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[Assistant] The opportunities for growth, training, fighting opportunities, development of one's moi, are stunted in females.


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[Assistant] So because of that sociological bias that stunts them, they don't develop full. So they have to set, to me, they have, ideally, you set standards that go beyond your social circumstances, go beyond your opportunities.


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[Assistant] As a female fighter, we've seen this with the Fairtex Girls.


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[Assistant] You can just spam the right hand and beat everybody. Like win, win, win, win. It's not a very evolved fighting style.


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[Assistant] But you take advantage of the fact that female fighters don't have as sophisticated a defense of their head.


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[Assistant] You're aiming to win fights, but you're not aiming to evolve yourself beyond the conditions that you find yourself in. You look so angry with me.


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[Assistant] Are you just insulted that I'm assuming that female fighters are not as good at fighters as men?


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[Assistant] Okay, but you're not going to change society. All you can do is change your opportunities.


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[Assistant] There was a weakness in this male fighter. To me, clinch fighters can beat good strikers. Because they just take away the distance.


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[Assistant] If one, if you took it upon yourself to make your clinch so strong,


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[Assistant] That you could overwhelm a excellent kickboxing male fighter, who's weak and clinch, but also bigger than you, like he was 105 pounds, so he probably walks at 112 or something, is a huge ask. This is a huge ask. But there's a big difference between a huge ask and, my god, do not ever think about that. How dare you.


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[Assistant] Like, there's a huge difference. If you took it on your project, as a project, to develop your clinch gain so strong that you could beat an excellent


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[Assistant] Kickboxing Muay Thai fighter who weakened the clinch. Your clinch.


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[Assistant] Would be so strong, no female would be able to stand in front of you.


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[Assistant] But it's, it's stepping stones.


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[Assistant] First, you get your clinch game so good that you could beat a kickboxing Muay Thai fighter. Next, after you


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[Assistant] To achieve that excellence, whether or not you ever fight him, you achieve that excellence for yourself. You make it your goal to do this thing that nobody will ever think of. You develop your skills. Your skills go boom boom boom boom. You clinch two hours a day, three hours a day. You study clinch techniques.


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[Assistant] You evolve your clinch game. Listen to me. You change as a fighter because of that goal.


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[Assistant] Whether you have that fight ever again, ever, doesn't matter because then you ladder up your next goal. You're like, I wanna beat the best clinch fighter at my weight.


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[Assistant] Historically, this is not essentially as a man. In 2021, it's a male fighter.


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[Assistant] That's another goal. How does my moi get so good that now I could fight the best clinch fighter?


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[Assistant] That's even a harder ask, because clinch fighters have an advantage. They can nullify striking.


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[Assistant] If their defense is good enough and their adorn is good enough, clinch fighters can, they have a rock-paper-scissors advantage over strikers. But my point is...


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[Assistant] These are just artificial goals that allow you to escape the historical conditions in which you find yourself in. You find yourself in a gym where you have to ask for sparring and clinching. Even a gym that takes you very seriously. That's your historical condition.


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[Assistant] In order to become better, you have to sometimes, like we do, go find sparring and clinching somewhere else. In another gym. Because you wanna get better than the historical conditions will allow you.


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[Assistant] First of all, there's nothing women have to do. I'm just saying that if you're a serious woman, there is no reason to categorically remove the best fighter on the planet in your weight class. There's no reason to do that. The only reason to do that is because you are told that women cannot fight men. Ever.


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[Assistant] That somebody has got you to internalize limits and you think they're your own idea.


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[Assistant] Okay, if you want to rephrase this, find the best fighter in the world at your weight class and make it your goal to beat that person. I don't care if it's a man or a woman. I'll tell you it's going to be a man. Historically, now at this time in 2021. But I don't care if it's a man or a woman. 200 years from now,


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[Assistant] 300 years from now, find the best person in your weight class, and train to beat them.


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[Assistant] Train! I don't care if it's a man or a woman. Maybe it's a woman 300 years from now. Already men and women are competing.


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[Assistant] Women are competing with men. Not physically. They're competing expressively. They're the most exciting fights. They are bringing their heart more than the man.


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[Assistant] They, those, like Super Champ, women are the headline. Mmhm. South Sing is the headline. Mmhm.


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[Assistant] Already they're competing, they're not in the ring yet, but they actually are competing economically.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you're already taking for granted something that wasn't even conceivable five years ago. There was no way you were, that Sao Sing was gonna compete with a man on the park.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but we're at a point in history where, uhm,


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[Assistant] Ronda Rousey probably would have turned out to be a better fighter in the UFC if she wasn't just focused on beating other women. If she actually...


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[Assistant] So her problem ran in, she ran into is that she had


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[Assistant] Developed her game in a very narrow path, which was based on


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[Assistant] Beating a less developed talent pool. And she was very successful. But she was not.


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[Assistant] Expanding ourselves as an MMA fighter? You have so much anger towards me on this, it's so crazy. To me, this is the same argument as telling, uhm, a young Barack Obama that he should, uhm,


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[Assistant] When he thinks about what he wishes to be, being president is something he should think of.


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[Assistant] And then someone's saying, but you're not understanding the situation. He can't become president. There's never been a president. This is not, you're making a white man's achievement.


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[Assistant] Your achievement. And I'm like, you shouldn't set a ceiling on yourself, especially a gendered ceiling in something that is so...


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[Assistant] Well obviously as a female fighter you'd also be training to beat all the women. You don't just have one goal.


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[Assistant] The goal of improving yourself, when you set goals for yourself, you're, you're, it's a constellation of goals. You were fighting every week, every two weeks. Your goals were to win those fights and improve yourself as a fighter. But you also set goals like becoming a Yodmoy. How many female Yodmoy are there?


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[Assistant] So you have set a completely gendered goal for yourself. For yourself.


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[Assistant] It's one thing to have a dream, like I just wanna be the best in the world, or some vague idea. But you understand fighters are constructed.


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[Assistant] And when a female fighter is, finds themselves in a rigid sociological system, and Thailand is open to female fighters in a lot of ways, but it's also very rigid in hidden ways that we're not aware of right away.


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[Assistant] The social conditions towards excellence of a female fighter do not exist in Thailand.


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[Assistant] The way we define excellence. The way you define excellence. They do not exist. So if you just follow the social conditions, the opportunities that are made, which involve also goal setting, like


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[Assistant] Trying to be the best female fighter in your weight class in Thailand or win on this promotion. All these kinds of natural goal settings. You are restricting what you're capable of building in yourself.


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[Assistant] If your clinch is just, is good enough to beat female fighters everywhere, why get better? Work on something else. Look at me with such disdain.


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[Assistant] I did not say that. You turn these terms, like you...


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[Assistant] It's on tape. You're the one who imputs the like, uh, charged negative terms in there. It's a matter of excellence, a ladder of excellence. You set for yourself a yodemoi goal of excellence. That yodemoi is beyond any male fighter now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but by saying you, old boy, you actually are asking yourself to be a fighter that's better than any active fighter now other than San Chai.


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[Assistant] You are aiming beyond every male who's currently fighting, but you are horrified by the idea that I should say you should pick an actual male and try to imagine building yourself as a fighter who would beat that person. Like, I am like, okay.


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[Assistant] He wasn't in a yodmoy contest. He wasn't a dancer doing a performance art. His yodmoyness came out of his ability to beat fighters that were bigger than him, that had advantages.


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[Assistant] I've never said there's an unless. I am like, do not put a gendered, historically defined ceiling of what you should aim for. Plus, I think it's actually, uhm, beneficial in a


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[Assistant] Pure training sense. Like actually improving as a fighter. That you take


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[Assistant] Goals of specific males who have strengths and weaknesses, you take goals and you use that figure to shape you and to set the bar much higher.


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[Assistant] Negative on this. If you don't reach it, you've still improved yourself. Like you've, you've stretched beyond what is being asked of any female fighter. What female fighter is thinking to themselves, okay yeaah, this would take out


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[Assistant] Pretty much every female fighter, but it's just not good enough. I need to, I need to end that combination with a very nasty low kick. You don't have to add that low kick if you're fighting, uh,


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[Assistant] Let's say the female fighters in your weight class. Your combination, if you keep on it, keep pushing that combination, you're probably gonna win. I'm like...


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[Assistant] Build for the end guy. Why, sorry that the video end guy happens to be male. It's not important that it's male. It's the standard, it's the level-


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[Assistant] Who historically holds the position of excellence is simply contingent on history.


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[Assistant] So you set your goal within the confines of history, but the only way to break out of history is to ignore those chains. To create opportunities.


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[Assistant] How many times have people been like, uh, Sylvie, you've fought enough.


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[Assistant] I don't even know why you're fighting anymore. You're already famous. You're already famous. Yea, everyday. Yea, all the time.


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[Assistant] You're already going way beyond the bounds of what...


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[Assistant] No, I literally told you. Take the gender out of it. Find the best. He will happen to be a male because of his history. Find the best fighter on the planet and think how to beat them.


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[Assistant] It is even conceivable to be like, okay, not even Muay Thai, the best MMA fighter. I'm not an MMA fighter, but how would I beat an MMA fighter? It's setting up, uhm,


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[Assistant] A context for skill building, which will require you to get much more proficient at certain skills than you would otherwise need. You could just get away with...


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[Assistant] What is so crazy is this is just an experiment, a mental experiment. We already know from, we already know Sylvie.


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[Assistant] I don't know what that means. What does that mean, any kind of fitter? Like, a bouncer at a bar?


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[Assistant] I'm not fighting a low kick in a video game. You're like, how does this person, whoever they are, male, female, how does this person set up their low kick?


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[Assistant] Yes, but when somebody is the best of your weight class, whoever they are, if they're the belt holder, they have a stamp of excellence, which means they are doing some things in the ring, the actual ring, that are very successful.


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[Assistant] There are problems to solve. It is like taking, doing a maze or a puzzle. I'm saying pick someone


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[Assistant] And use it like a fucking word puzzle.


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[Assistant] How does that, how would I, in my skill set, develop my skills sharply enough that I could beat that puzzle? Because there's no complete fighter.


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[Assistant] There's no signaling. It's within your own self. It's like...


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[Assistant] As a fighter, I think it's healthy to take specific fighters as puzzles to be solved. To challenge yourself to develop skill sets that would counter other skill sets. But in real fighters.


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[Assistant] Like for instance, Sao Sing, beating Sao Sing would be a worthy puzzle to solve, which could then cause you to develop skillsets you wouldn't otherwise


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[Assistant] Have. She's 60 kilos. You wouldn't fight her. Maybe you could fight her. You fought 60 kilo fighters.


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[Assistant] You have developed tons of Muay Thai skills.


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[Assistant] 60 kilo girls you fight. 58 kilo girls you fight. You have developed a moi that is able to fucking like counter


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[Assistant] Size, kicking, specific skill sets with huge weight disadvantages that no female fighter in history has faced. And I think you're a much better female fighter because you took on those challenges that simply before you,


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[Assistant] No female fighter would ever have taken on. This is exact, this is a progression of the exact same thought. The only difference is, is it crosses a gender boundary, which is highly ideological. This is very ideologically framed.


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[Assistant] For you, of course I should try to fight a 56 kilo or 58, beat a 58 kilo, a 60 kilo girl. This is a worthy goal. It's hard. There's things I have to be really, really good at. You can't be like okay and clinch and fight a 60 kilo girl and win.


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[Assistant] What is the practical difference of picking Sao Sing who's 60 kilos and thinking how would I beat Sao Sing to beating a hundred pound skilled male?


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[Assistant] Why is one so don't ever think about that? And the other is, yeaah, that could be something I could think about.


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[Assistant] I never said superior goal. There's no superior goal. You have many goals as a fighter. This is a puzzle that's worth taking on. I'm not saying this is the ideal goal of a female fighter. I'm never saying like,


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[Assistant] This is what should define you. Whether or not you're able to do it or anything. As a female fighter, you take on many specific puzzles. You try to solve your pad man. You try to solve your sparring partner. You try to solve this fighter you've fought three times. Hopefully your honing skills that solve very concrete puzzles.


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[Assistant] There's no reason. We have arranged a male-female fight. Tara fought an experienced, not highly skilled, but experienced male fighter. She had, what, 10 pounds on him, maybe?


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[Assistant] 10 or 15 shoes bigger. Beat him pretty solidly. This idea that women


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[Assistant] Should never even think of fighting men.


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[Assistant] Is the same kind of like mind control that comes from hierarchy, social hierarchy.


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[Assistant] Tara is not a, uh, uhm, a high volume professional fighter, but that's the first step.


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[Assistant] You know that you have handled Thai boys that are bottom-run stadium fighters already.


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[Assistant] In the ring. In the sparring ring. You know that you can beat that male who's a stadium fighter. You're already there.


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[Assistant] Okay, but I'm saying you've already crossed over into the land of the men. The land of the men has been stepped on. You're already on that turf. So this idea that gender is even an issue, it's not even an issue anymore. You're already on the other side of the line. I'm saying it's healthy to take, to take on that puzzle. Like,


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[Assistant] To me it's very, we think differently too, but to me it's very interesting, like how would you beat Sanchai? You're not gonna fight Sanchai.


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[Assistant] But I came up with a theory. How to beat Sanchai. Load in with low kicks. If you decided, how would I beat Sanchai?


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[Assistant] And you're like, he probably doesn't condition his legs very much.


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[Assistant] He's so fucking tricky. If I find him in space, I'm dead.


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[Assistant] I'm never fighting because we're not the same size and it'll never happen, but if you developed a nasty low-kick game that might cause serious problems, like just in fantasy world, you've made yourself a better fighter. You've solved a puzzle.


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[Assistant] That isn't the same if you took the puzzles only from people in your gender. If you want to make, how would I beat, uhm, wang chinoi, like,


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[Assistant] Okay, that's another thing. I think there's also something that's like beneficial for women to take a male that's in their time in history who is acknowledged as the best in their weight class by some formal means and be like, I could maybe beat that person.


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[Assistant] People, unfortunately the way it's handled on the internet and breakdowns, let's see a Riker fighting some Samchai Jaidee, this New Zealand guy, and this fight that she lost was...


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[Assistant] Picture it as this muscle mass disparity and she could never, it was so ridiculous. The reason why she lost that fight had absolutely nothing to do with muscle mass or bone density.


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[Assistant] It would have been worthy for her to train after that fight to think, how would I beat that fighter?


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[Assistant] For a rematch. Whether or not she fought them again. She would have become a better fighter if she saw. What does that fighter do well that I don't respond well to?


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[Assistant] But I also have been talking about specifically targeting a specific man who's at your weight class, and the reason why it's a weight class is you could physically actually get in a ring with them, if the laws of culture allowed.


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[Assistant] There is an immediacy about it. If you're like, how would I beat Wang Chun-Hui? This is a little bit more fantasy-like. It's less concrete.


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[Assistant] When you're actually talking about male fighters in your weight,


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[Assistant] More tie is all about advantages and disadvantages and finding ways to put people in positions where they're not comfortable.


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[Assistant] Where they don't like to fight. Every fighter has it.


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[Assistant] The, any advantage that a male fighter has on a female fighter physically, let's say it's 5%, 10% on average, that advantage can be totally taken away technically. If you as a female fighter, put the fight where they don't want it.


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[Assistant] This is what Muay Thai is. So I am like...


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[Assistant] It is beneficial for a female fighter to...


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[Assistant] Think about an actual male fighter, real fighter and be like,


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[Assistant] How could I put the fight where they don't want it? And I think it's also healthy.


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[Assistant] Part of what holds them in place is they're told often without actually being told.


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[Assistant] They're raised to think certain things are possible and other things are not possible.


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[Assistant] Part of the problem with picking an actual male fighter that lives in your own time and is right there as a goal is that there is this weird like


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[Assistant] Push down on the mind that literally erases the ability to think of what is possible. It's a ceiling.


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[Assistant] Two, three times what history asks of a woman, a western fighter, anybody.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying it's easy to do this, but the very fact that you have a sensor that's like, don't think this.


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[Assistant] Means that you're already oppressed in your ability to imagine what is possible. Like,


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[Assistant] To me, there's no doubt in my mind that if you trained and developed yourself over the next three years to beat the best male fighter in your weight class, it's totally possible. I'm not saying it actually would happen, but it's totally possible. If you, three years, you made this your goal.


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[Assistant] I'll say this also, if you did not fight that person, or you fought that person and lost, the fighter you would be at the end of that process would be really, really good.


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[Assistant] Because you're holding yourself to bars that are higher. You are...


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[Assistant] Demanding that your ability to defend yourself or counter certain weapons or impose yourself


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[Assistant] Reach up beyond what they would otherwise be. We do this, you do this every day actually when you spar with your kumpon.


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[Assistant] A legend of the golden age who has rhythms and patterns and huge, a big weight advantage on you, it's like 60 kilos.


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[Assistant] You're constantly exposing yourself to a superiority?


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[Assistant] That is beyond the bar setting that many other fighters do.


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[Assistant] I don't care about it being a man. Honestly, I know, I only bring up the male part because that's the loaded part. That is the ideologically loaded part. The whole argument against trans fighters and like,


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[Assistant] If a man ever beat on my daughter who I don't even have, I would kill him, whatever. This whole concept is really based on this idea that women can't even fight men.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm saying great. On top of that, pick a male


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[Assistant] Pick five fighters you want to be able to beat. One of them be the best male in your weight class. It's not sacrilege. You, honestly, this is the thing. You're so indoctrinated. You're so indoctrinated.


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[Assistant] This is what I'm saying, women are not allowed to even think or dream. I'm just saying, think or dream.


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[Assistant] The possibility is so fucking loaded that women are not allowed to even think it. Which is fucked up. It's fucked up. Boys are raised


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[Assistant] I could beat anyone. I could beat Bucow. I could beat Bruce Lee. That's how boys are raised. They're no ceiling.


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[Assistant] It's not like with like. Westerners come to fight ties. They're not Thai. They're Westerners. They started late.


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[Assistant] They're tr- they're chasing an impossibility in a way. But they said it in their mind. I'm just saying the freedom of dream...


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[Assistant] That women are not even allowed to have the fantasy. We know this. You had this thing with Nii Shobo where he's like dreaming, like...


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[Assistant] Women are not allowed to take this travel. And I'm like, not even a travel, it's not even a fantasy. It's like setting up a puzzle to solve.


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[Assistant] Like I already, I've already talked about it, I think you should aim to beat the best female fighter in the world, no matter her weight. Like for real beat. Like if that's Sao Seng, or Smilla, or Ji Ja, whoever it is, the best female fighter, that's a worthy goal.


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[Assistant] To be at 100 pounds, and what would I have to do to put that fight where they don't want it for 5 rounds?


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[Assistant] You would have to develop tremendous skills to be able to try to do that. That is a worthy goal. When I talk about that, you look at me and you smile.


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[Assistant] Because it makes you feel warm. When I talk about the other one.


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[Assistant] If I had friends that were men or fighters, I could do that. I don't think that would be a...


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[Assistant] I'm like, it depends how developed you are as a fighter. One I'm thinking of is what are girls thinking that they could do when they first


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[Assistant] Perculating. And then the other thing is, is when you're a very advanced fighter, start setting goals beyond the, what is expected. Not just beating the best females in your weight class. Like, uhm, uhm, Mayweather, I mean not Mayweather, uhm,


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[Assistant] No, but Pacquiao went way up, up, up, up, this is a typical male thing, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, but also Evander Holyfield, when he went up, he went up.


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[Assistant] The heavyweight, the heavyweight champion of course is the glory weight class anyways, but reach beyond your conditions is a typical kind of male progressive thing. I am like,


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[Assistant] Because the opportunities and the conditions for development for women are so uhm,


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[Assistant] Limited. They're, they're built out and, uhm,


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[Assistant] They're developed in pockets. There's like, if you get with this-


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's like, if you get with this gym that embraces women and has good trainers and has connections to promotions that will give you a world title, that's a good pocket. Like, that's a fucking good pocket. Or if you're, uhm,


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[Assistant] Training with Thai boys all the time and your gym is respecting you and giving you work, that's a good pocket. But none of these pockets are connected to each other really. They are like, so undeveloped.


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[Assistant] That women have to create


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[Assistant] They have to jerry-rig their opportunities and their challenges. They can't take cues from the, from the messaging that's around them.


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[Assistant] Cause the messaging is just be just fit in this area. Create excellence that is in this area. Get this belt.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, or like, if you're Don Confa, I wanna go over to One and beat Stamp.


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[Assistant] Once you're on the map, then you can be like, I wanna go to here on the map. Before, women are not even allowed on the map. There's no map. Their map is over here.


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[Assistant] Thank you for listening and supporting us and our, like, weird, unique perspective on Muay Thai and what's possible.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, you can become a patron if you're watching this on YouTube, and uhm...


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, uh, get the merch. It goes to the legends. It's non-profit for us.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, it's an Instagram name. He has got a photo of Diesel and Loewe that's just like one of my favorite photos.


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[Assistant] It's us having conversations, so we usually go down some rabbit holes, but they will all focus and start from elk.


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[Assistant] Randy provided me with three pages of notes this morning and said here we're going to talk about this and I looked at it and uses like quadruple spacing on the notes there's actually only six sentences per page. Right.


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[Assistant] I'm Cory, that's another sentence. And I'm Randy, that's another sentence. Yeaah. Those are three sentences. Yeaah, we've got six total.


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[Assistant] I just, I almost couldn't hold back when we were talking about rabbit holes.


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[Assistant] Well, that's true. Every affair's at least 500 inches. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, sculptures out here? Is that the deal? It's funny because I get emails all the time from people when I talk about the Elk Foundation because I strongly believe if you're an elk hunter you need to belong to the Elk Foundation. It's $35 a year for a membership.


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[Assistant] Can I just tell you, I'm technologically, I almost said technol, technology, I'm technologically impaired.


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[Assistant] No you're not. I really am. So, I had a GPS.


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[Assistant] And I bought that GPS six years ago. That's how late to the market I was getting a GPS. But the first thing I got for it was an Onyx chip.


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[Assistant] And I loved it. It was great. But within a year or two, my hunting partners had their phones out and they're walking around with the exact same information on their phones. It took me two or three years to adopt to that. Now, I don't know where my GPS is because it's so handy to have the phone with all that information from the app right there.


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[Assistant] I did it for, uh, I hooked logs for a little bit of time during college. And in fact, I was thinking of that this morning, hooking logs, and it was the most boring job standing there. You get up at 3.30 in the morning, you're there at daylight, so 4.30 quarter to 5.


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[Assistant] And you hook logs to the choker cable all day long. And you're waiting for them to run it up. It's sometimes 10, 12 minute wait.


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[Assistant] You're like Mr. Sitka Gerson since the beginning. I have literally been with Sitka since the beginning. Really?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I won an elk calling contest, and one of the prizes was a pair of pants, a shirt, and a vest, I believe, from Sitka. And when I went to redeem it, they said, well we don't actually have any gear yet, it'll be here in August.


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[Assistant] I got the first run of the original Mountain Pants in the Mountain Mimicry, uh, their original core shirt, and I think it was the Mountain Vest, they called it back then. And I can tell you a serious story about becoming a believer in technical gear. But it involved me and my friend crossing a creek.


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[Assistant] And I'm sitting there just like everything's great. My buddy, he's a big guy and he's tough.


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[Assistant] And I look over and he is just shivering uncontrollably. And I look to him and say, what's going on? He's like, I'm soaking wet. He's like, you're still wet? And he's like, yeah, I'm soaking wet. I've got chills. Like I can't get warm. And I realized there was something to this new gear that I had just gotten the mail a couple days before.


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[Assistant] I was going to Walmart the year before that and buying $20 cotton pants and a $20 or $8 cotton shirt. Right. And ripping it to shreds in a week of hunting. Disposable hunting gear.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean there's science behind not just the gear, every fiber of the gear, but the pattern.


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[Assistant] It might have my picture on it, but they are an Elk 101 line of calls.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls, and a little disclaimer here, uh, they are founded, designed, owned,


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[Assistant] By a blood relative, my father. So there is some bias there, but I told him several years ago, I am going to have one of every brand elk call.


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[Assistant] Get him to, to make sure that the quality was there, or if it was just me being a smart aleck kid and trying to get a jab in. But regardless, I will say I have used just about every call out there.


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[Assistant] And there are some good calls. But for me, the quality, the consistency and the sounds from the Rocky Mountain Hunting calls is unparalleled. And that's why I use them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you just need to make sure it fits you right. Yep. And see I have the other, I have the other problem, the roof of my mouth, I mean, I could store, I don't know what, I'd store a couple dilly bars maybe if we want to go down the Dairy Queen tangent, but.


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[Assistant] I have a very high roof of mouth and very narrow upper palate. Really? And so I really think that for the most part the people I've seen that call really well


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[Assistant] Has multiple calls and multiple sized frames and different things and so it's so important to try more than just one. Don't just throw a call in and...


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[Assistant] And if you do that, what's that website?


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[Assistant] So it used to be Bugling Bull was the name of the company, but as they expanded into other species of animals and calls, they rebranded with Rocky Mountain Hunting Calls. So I believe there's a rockymountainhuntingcalls.com that'll get you to the same place as buglingbull.com. Okay. But yeaah. I didn't know that.


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[Assistant] Here's the answer. So this is being recorded, I mean videoed though, so people are able to watch this on YouTube.


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[Assistant] And see what you're doing right now. And you're actually on a laptop typing. Yeah.


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[Assistant] My vision, I guess, and, and you can correct me because I usually am off base, but...


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[Assistant] My, my vision for everything I do in elk hunting is to educate others. And with one purpose. That's just to see them be successful.


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[Assistant] And so I think as we talk, there's going to be a lot of things that we share, not based on our supreme intelligence of elk hunting, but on our experience, which a lot of it comes from failure.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And that doesn't mean that we're saying, you know, follow what we do, do what we do, and you'll be as successful as we are. We don't want them to be that low on the totem pole.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure you've seen me miss an elk on an episode of Hunting with Randy.


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[Assistant] We could just talk about mistakes. We could just, I mean, we have plenty of those we've made. We could just share all the mistakes that go into El Contín and let people figure out the rest of it from there.


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[Assistant] It's hard. You walk through a store and you can't buy gluten or sugar?


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[Assistant] 95% of the store is off limits to you. I know. It's pretty amazing. I ain't doing that. That's tough.


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[Assistant] But once you do it, it's, I mean, it took a bit to just jump in and do it, but once you start... Really? Yeah. Huh.


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[Assistant] My whole philosophy is, you know, you get in or you get out what you put in, so. You get out what you put in. Does that make sense? Did I say that right? Yea, I think you did.


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[Assistant] I'm not a doctor, but sugar is a major cause of inflammation.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we listened to a couple on the drive here in fact that talked about gluten intolerance, sugar intolerance, dairy intolerance, all these different things. And as I started listing some of the symptoms, brain fog and joint pain and things like that, I thought, man.


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[Assistant] A camel. A camel. Did you just look that up on Google or did you know that?


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[Assistant] Both of them that we've gotten out whole that come to mind, and there may be more as I think about it, but both of them, we drop the tailgate?


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[Assistant] For all the, for all the millennials who are listening to this, a Polaroid was a type of camera that you take a picture and it actually prints out. I mean, it was, it was advanced. It was a printer and a camera in one. It printed the picture out right there and had a little white strip at the bottom so you could hold it and not get smudges on it. Yeah. Every photograph I have of growing up.


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[Assistant] You see an elk across the hillside at 150 or 200 yards, you get an adrenaline rush, you pull up the rifle, you shoot it. I mean, that's, that's rifle hunting. And there's, there's a whole bunch of strategy that goes into it and finding them and that.


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[Assistant] That's where archery hunting starts. Right there when you pull the trigger on a rifle hunt, that's the beginning of your archery hunt. So you get a whole.


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[Assistant] Advanced chapter there that comes after that rifle hunting story. So yeaah, it's the gateway drug.


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[Assistant] And I think really that's where the real lessons and knowledge of elk hunting comes if you aren't experiencing it.


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[Assistant] And making those mistakes, you aren't going to learn, you aren't going to advance. And I think that's so important, is you've got to go out there and try it.


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[Assistant] No, I'm lucky. No, you're smart. Okay. You're an educator. You've got to, got to at least put on the persona that you're smart. Oh, really?


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[Assistant] If I'm needing to convince him, that means I'm not really that. So, is it a false persona? I think it probably is. Yea, for us. So, for those of you listening, Randy and I are really, really good elk hunters. We're really, really smart. And as we come across as being not that intelligent, hopefully we can convince you we know what we're talking about.


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[Assistant] And it took 10 years to draw it. It was the book cliff unit and I had known people who had hunted it the three previous years and incredible experiences. So I had their.


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[Assistant] And everyone's warned me, you know, it's gonna be hard. And my experience with droughts is the elk are still there, but the rut is usually muted quite a bit. And for rut hunting,


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[Assistant] And I wish more than anything in hunting, I think in my last 10 years of hunting that I had turned that tag back in.


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[Assistant] You know, not like that. You take ten days and spend eight and a half days trying to find Elkin, literally having two or three call-ins that whole time. It was not the experience I was wanting. So.


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[Assistant] If the option is there to turn a tag back in, I don't know what the deadline for Arizona is, but... Yea, I don't know either. Especially for a rut. I mean, late season, I wouldn't be nearly as worried, but the rut does change during a drought.


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[Assistant] Income implies a paycheck. So you have to separate the two. I have a job, I don't have income.


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[Assistant] I listened to you with the guys from Born and Raised Outdoors on a podcast, and you'd said something about peace and justice, what was that?


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[Assistant] You did say have a job, not an income. So have a job where you don't have to work in the fall.


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[Assistant] And I will never trick somebody else into it either. I just, you know, and you've been on outdoor TV, you know the whole game there that you've been fortunate. I've watched you through the years, same sponsors.


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[Assistant] You have a relationship and you believe in it, but I watched outdoor television kind of ruin credibility for brands.


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[Assistant] And for, you know, the people who are promoting the brands, because every season, they're promoting something different. You know, brand A, this is the best thing, or it's the best one I've ever used, and they get a paycheck from somebody else a week later, and well, this is the best one I've ever used. They don't even look back at the one they were using a week before, and that's...


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[Assistant] I decided a long time ago that wasn't the path I was going. I was going to use what works best. If there's an opportunity to partner with somebody, you know, if I have a platform that provides them with some value, they have a product that provides me with some value and we can partner. That's great. If not, I'll go buy it at full retail because I need to have confidence in my gear.


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[Assistant] When we get done in a canyon, there is nothing left alive in there.


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[Assistant] Sometimes I don't enjoy the experience like I should and it's, I'm the old man.


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[Assistant] I noticed that I took my 11 year old fishing the other night and we were just stream fishing for a little brook trout and


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[Assistant] If there's not a fish biting on one or two casts in a hole, I'm looking for the next hole.


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[Assistant] And it takes him that long just to get to the hole and get his hook undone. I've already fished it out and moving on. And I finally had to stop and say,


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[Assistant] Is this about you or about him? And so I just, you know, hooked my hook on the eyelet and let him fish and just carried him along there, you know, and said, okay, here's a good hole, go, go cast in that one. But I find myself sometimes needing to slow down and not always be aggressive.


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[Assistant] Kinda your... Oh totally, yeaah. I mean if, if I was, if I was set out and I was the, the...


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[Assistant] But I want to call in an elk. That's my goal. I want to have that vocal interaction with an elk.


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[Assistant] And so that might mean walking by ten elk that aren't vocal, the same as walleye. You know, you might, there might be three state record walleyes right underneath you on your fish finder, but if they aren't biting anything you're throwing at them, doesn't matter how big they are, you aren't gonna catch them.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeaah. I do remember a particular bull in Montana that we did leave. He was bugling and we left him and came back later. Yeaah. And I missed him, but we did call him in. Yeaah. Well, I think he just wanted to keep hunting.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we called one in, actually called both of them in, didn't come screaming in like they do in September, but it came in to check us out and ended up shooting a really nice six point, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we're hunting Oregon this year for Roosevelt, and it opens, I think, August 25th or 26th for Saturday and, or last Saturday in August. And, uh, from what I'm told, you know, they aren't as aggressive, they aren't as vocal, but they'll still talk. Really? If an elk will talk, you can call it in. Okay, that's course. That's my philosophy.


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[Assistant] And they're a much easier target. You know, you look at how a wolf hunts in the winter. They look for the solo bulls or the small bachelor groups of bulls because they're an easier target than a group of a hundred elk. And you look at it like, oh, that's a target rich environment. But if you're trying to single one out to, uh, to harvest, you need to,


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[Assistant] Have a solo target there is much easier to go into than a big group. So those herd bulls in that early part of the season before they're grouped up and really hanging with the harems are a much easier target. They're still aggressive. They're still territorial. They're still vocal. And if you can get in there before they group up, it's usually dynamite.


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[Assistant] 20th through the 30th, the elk are going to be so incredibly vocal. I mean, you only have to take your calls, you'll hear elk calling. But they're vocal for a reason. They're trying to keep their herd together. Their, you know, cows are coming into estrus. The bulls are focused strictly on breeding at that point.


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[Assistant] And trying to get their attention away to come to you can be tough. They aren't gonna leave a cow in estrus to come to you no matter how sweet you sound as a cow. And if you're bugling, they're gonna think, I've got a cow in estrus, this other bull, if he gets here...


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[Assistant] And, uh, you know, spotting and stalking or shadowing the herd is effective during that time and their vocals, so that helps. But for me to call in an elk, uh,


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[Assistant] Is equal to the daytime and that usually hits September 20th, 21st, 22nd somewhere in there. And I think that's what triggers the cows to come into estrus is the daylight.


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[Assistant] But I think it's also important to understand how the elk might be acting through the different parts of the season and know that the week you're going they can absolutely be hunted but you just might encounter a different situation that you might need to react to a little differently.


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[Assistant] And I don't pick into a week, but I talk about the, what's going to be happening during every week. So those people go, they realize if you're hunting the third week this year, it's prime time when we look at fall equinox. It's prime time when we look at vocal elk, but this year it's also the full moon.


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[Assistant] And so just be aware that the elk are probably going to be out all night during that prime time doing their breeding and being vocal.


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[Assistant] And a half hour after daylight, they're probably heading to the north face to bed for the day.


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[Assistant] Or the elk or call shy or you can't call elk. The first time we hunted Arizona, everyone, I'd never hunted out of state. Arizona was my first experience out of state. And I was young and dumb and fortunately smart enough to start building points. And I built up to three points or four points and drew one of the best archery tags in Arizona with four points.


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[Assistant] Clean livin'. Oh, it was, yeaah. Actually, the state got sued.


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[Assistant] Oh, that year? 2005. 2005 was my first time when I hunted Unit 1 in Arizona in the White Mountains. And everyone told me, don't even take your calls. Elk will not come to calls in Arizona. They're call shy, they're pressured, they're this, they're that.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm not going to leave my calls at home going to anywhere to hunt elk. And so we showed up and I think in the first two days we had messed up eight or nine setups because we were being too aggressive and trying to get in close to the elk when the elk were running to the calls.


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[Assistant] And I left that hunt thinking, we killed three elk in three days there. And I left that hunt thinking, if you cannot call in an elk in Arizona,


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[Assistant] Have, have you been back there since? I have. I went back three years later and drew another premier archery tag.


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[Assistant] You know what happened that year? A tag application service forgot to turn in the tags and...


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[Assistant] The law of large numbers is catching up with you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're already densely focused in an area of habitat before they get pressured. Once they get pressured, that area becomes even smaller.


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[Assistant] I mean Arizona, it doesn't seem hardly any time ago when I was there hunting and I've got 11 points.


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[Assistant] And we could draw again, we held out this year because of the moon phase, but. Oh, you did? We did. Oh, probably a good idea because of the drought. Just with the drought and the moon phase and everything, I just...


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[Assistant] I'm to a point now where if I'm going to spend 10 or 15 points, I want a good hunt. You know, before it was the experience of going somewhere different and learning some new areas, I've been, I've hunted 8 of the 10 western states frill and


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[Assistant] There's some incredible elk hunting out there. But if I'm gonna take 10 or 15 years of investing time and there's no doubt there's money invested into building points, I want it to be a special hunt.


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[Assistant] We can go down to the Walmart and buy an elk tag for $31.50 or whatever it cost as a resident. And if we're willing to pay the non-resident price, we can buy a non-resident antlered elk tag for the exact same unit or any other unit. And we can go out and we can shoot two elk in one day with two tags in our pocket.


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[Assistant] I get a hunt from home for two elk for under $500 in tags and license. Wow. I didn't know that. I knew they did that for deer. I didn't know they did that for elk. Elk's the same. I could buy an archery elk tag.


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[Assistant] And I could also buy a rifle elk tag and hunt archery and rifle. Or I could hunt two elk during archery season.


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[Assistant] And people come up afterwards and say, I've only got six points, so it's going to be another six years before I draw. But when I do, I want to buy some elk calls.


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[Assistant] And they had no desire and no plan to go elk hunting until they draw their once in a lifetime tag in Arizona with 12 or 15 points. That is their first elk hunting experience. They go out, you know, they get all serious that summer and go out on their first elk hunt after dropping 15 points on a tag.


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[Assistant] No experience, no, no success under their belt.


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[Assistant] I would imagine there's more cow elk hunters than bull elk hunters in a year. I'm pretty sure in Idaho they give out more, at least in draw.


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[Assistant] Statistics, I think there are more draw tags for AntlerList than AntlerDel.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, that's the beauty of, of hunting and providing is the variety. You talk rabbit and grouse and my


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[Assistant] And it doesn't matter if it's got antlers or not at that point. The variety is the meat.


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[Assistant] You know, gone to fishing game meetings and legislature and written several articles on showing, and that's the engineered part of me, engineered part of me is, you know, I love Excel spreadsheets and you can show odds really well on Excel spreadsheets. And so I went through years and years of data from draw odds.


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[Assistant] And shown how they change with, you know, with points. The states have points versus without points.


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[Assistant] Somebody who's new, a youth, a child, or a new hunter coming in, that's 15 years behind you, that has no chance of drawing that tag. Not only do they have a point system.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's, there are, I think there are certain systems where it's beneficial.


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[Assistant] But if you are looking at PointSystem as your go-to to be guaranteed a tag, unless you get in on the ground floor, right, it's not going to help you. Yeah, well, I was lucky to be in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you have 20 points a year. There's not many states that have been around doing points for more


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[Assistant] So what's 18 times 18? 300 and whatever. Yeah, I don't know what it is. But anyway, you take that and you break it down for those 10,000 people.


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[Assistant] As if it was no points. Right. And that's after 18 years of applying, yes you have a slightly better odds than somebody getting in at ground level. Right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it just, and for once in a lifetime, it might make sense in some states and some areas, but points only work and you're able to predict.


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[Assistant] You can't draw that tag as a non-resident now. Unless you have max points, which is 20 something.


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[Assistant] And a unit like 61, that used to be able to draw with 4 or 5 points, it's up to 17 or 18 for an archery tag and 61 higher than that now. Higher. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I bet I could rattle something off. Alright. There are a couple that definitely come to mind. Do we have to rank them in? No, not in any order. Let's just list them now and then maybe we'll rank them.


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[Assistant] Is key to success, and it's obvious.


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[Assistant] But we'll, we'll expand on it maybe in some of the unobvious things about it. So much to talk about when it comes to that. You know, aggression. I think we talked about that a little. I think too many elk hunters are too timid.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I also think there's a time when you just have to be able to know and understand whether to be timid or aggressive.


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[Assistant] They locked down and uh, maybe I'll, I'll share the story. Now I had a guy call me. I was working and it's back when I was an engineer and I was sitting at a desk and wishing I was out in elk country in September and waiting for my one week of vacation to come to, to go elk hunting. And I got a phone call and this guy said, Hey, do you hear that? And I said, no, I'm at work. What is, what is it? And he's like, listen. So I'm listening. I'm like, I don't hear anything. He's like, you can't hear that elk bugle.


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[Assistant] No, and he's like, I've got an elk doing it's like 120 yards away. What do I do? No way. No.


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[Assistant] First off, the thought would never cross my mind when an elk would be 120 yards away to call anybody on a cell phone.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's the most important, but it's definitely the one that has the most things to talk about, and that's the setup.


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[Assistant] Too many times, you know, you get just a bad setup that leaves you really no chance for being successful. And so I think understanding setups, understanding how you need to, uh,


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[Assistant] Set up on an elk if you're gonna call them in especially is, is important and too many times I think we miss out on opportunities for success because of those mistakes. Wow, you're rattling off. You're...


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[Assistant] Did you rehearse this, Corey? I mean, no, I showed up here and you said, here, put the headphones on, we're starting, here's the notes and...


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[Assistant] So you've given three, alright. Another one I think would be to have backup plans. Okay.


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[Assistant] I think calling. Let's talk calling and the mistakes that we make calling. Because that's, that really for me, I think that's my...


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[Assistant] When we talk about average, the average success rate being 10% success or, you know, that means that 1 out of 10 people kill an elk every year or it takes the average person 10 years to kill their first elk, I was an average hunter.


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[Assistant] It took me nine years to kill my first archery elk, and I had so many incredible encounters that either I was too passive, or I didn't pay attention to the wind, or I set up wrong, but the light bulb clicked on calling when I finally realized what it takes to call in an elk and how easy it really is. So we can talk about a lot of those mistakes.


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[Assistant] He said, I've never hunted ranch elk and there are no pastures where I hunt. He said, well, what I mean is you go and find the elk that are easy to call in instead of hunting these elk that take a PhD in elk talk to call in. Well yeaah.


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[Assistant] Because your plan is to go and kill an elk. If that's your plan...


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[Assistant] And you don't kill it, you've failed on every level of your plan. And yeaah, it's real easy to get discouraged.