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[Assistant] Yeah, we've got to him now. We've got to him now. No, he's, he's, he is confident in his numbers. The conversion there just threw him off for a second. Uh, so how about the Seahawks here? New team. They not rebuilding totally. Still got DK Metcalf there. But who are you watching in this preseason?


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[Assistant] Would have been kind of interesting to see him paired up in an offense with Russell Wilson, but that is no longer the case there. Hawkstrawliger.


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[Assistant] He is a fifth round rookie cornerback out of UT San Antonio, a little under the radar guy. He goes, he's got three rockets up his rear, tall, long jumps out of the building was thought to be a very raw prospect, but already earned some first team reps this off season amidst stiff competition. Very exciting.


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[Assistant] Don't these come out though for free the next day or two days later on NFL? Is that? Is that right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they might not have a number one, but they might have three number twos. Cause you like Jameson Williams a lot. They got him in the draft.


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[Assistant] Pick him. For the preseason. Yes, that's true. Amon Ra Saint Brown, in his last six games last year, had 560 receiving yards and five touchdowns. I know, he's a...


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[Assistant] As an undrafted guy out of Appalachian State. He's making some early good impressions there. And I do think defensive line could be a strength for this Detroit Lions team.


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[Assistant] We hate this. This is, this is, these are our worst years is when expectations are a little higher than normal. We don't like those years. Okay. Often a disappointment, but our odds are 6,600 the same as my most hated team in the NFL, the Chicago Bears. So I actually, I don't, I don't hate them, but there's just a rival, our biggest rival, uh, plus 6,600.


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[Assistant] For sure. Defensive lineman, Travis Gibson, who's moving from outside linebacker to defensive end here, position he played in Tulsa, shined after Khalil Mack went down last year. And so we'll see if he can take a step forward on that defensive line there with Robert Quinn, like you mentioned, but Justin Fields is a guy that


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[Assistant] Is, uh, is on the minds of a lot of Chicago Bears fans. Chris Becker says Justin Fields, the Bears history, everything comes down.


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[Assistant] To finding that elusive franchise quarterback. Can he be it? You know who found him though?


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[Assistant] Peter King found him on his training camp tour. So before we talk a little bit more about Justin Fields right here, here's Peter King talking to him about that Bears new offense.


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[Assistant] Whoa, how about that? New OC Luke Getzi. Yeaah. Probably the best quarterback coach I've had in my life.


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[Assistant] Which is a shame because he impressed you last year. He did. He played better than even you thought he would. Agreed. And so it would be nice to see him have a few more weapons around him. Doesn't look like he'll have that luxury in Chicago. You can catch all of Peter King's training camp videos.


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[Assistant] On our new YouTube page, I don't know if you've heard about it, youtube.com slash NFL on NBC. Peter's just going all around the country, just car, not train, right? I said train last time, no trains. I think just plane and car. Plane and car.


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[Assistant] Morgan's been doing that a little bit. I'm sure. We'll have to bring her on. Let's bring her on the pod to talk about the experience after it's all said and done. I think we should, right?


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[Assistant] You can hear Peter King's interviews on the Peter King podcast. Subscribe wherever you download your podcast. All right. From my most hated team to your most loved team, the New York giants plus 5,000 to win the NFC. Chris Sims enthusiast tweeted in.


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[Assistant] He said Daniel Jones for him. Make or break season for him. Offensive line is better than ever. He has a fresh new coaching staff. No more excuses for the lad anymore. I'm guessing Chris might be, uh, from across the pond. He's an Irishman. So this preseason.


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[Assistant] It is probably Evan Neal. Priority for this year is to fix the nagging problem of the last 10 years. Can't evaluate DJ or Saquon behind the worst O-line in football. Man, that's basically what you said almost word for word. We do have some video from camp right here. It is about Daniel Jones.


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[Assistant] This is what we get in the preseason. That's not even a game, that's just practice.


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[Assistant] Like Daniel Jones, another fourth year guy, I believe that has to kind of prove it this year on the defensive line. My guy to watch here is Dexter Lawrence. They did pick up his fifth year option. Yeah. But it's a big year for him. They got a lot of rookies in the mix there that could take some of his playing time.


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[Assistant] To win the NFC. To win the NFC. Plus $5,000. Hunter White says, Baker Mayfield, gotta hope he wins the job. So he will be watching the quarterback. I know you don't want to make it obvious, but I mean, it's hard to argue with Baker Mayfield as a guy to watch this preseason.


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[Assistant] You see, uh, say their defense is stacked. Of course it was just a couple years ago they drafted all defensive players. The one unit though is defensive line where they are looking maybe to add someone. And so that's my player to watch is the new guy, whoever they add, which I guess I wouldn't think there's that many players out there still to add, but.


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[Assistant] Everywhere you read on the Panthers and some of their websites, it seems like they're still interested in beefing up that defensive line.


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[Assistant] We'll see if they can do it though. We said it last year, they had a playoff defense. Their defense was playoff worthy. Got run down at the end of the year but how could it not? They were on the field and they had


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[Assistant] Another team that has some talent, mostly on the defensive side, the Washington commanders plus 3000 to win the NFC. Tizzy Bang says he's got his eye on Cole Turner, fifth round rookie tight end out of Nevada and wants to see where he lines up and his release. I like that. Interesting name.


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[Assistant] MLP, oh, MLPortN, says Sam Howell, so I in a quarterback there. My defensive lineman to watch here, uh, another rookie, second round guy, out of Alabama.


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[Assistant] Oh, look at you. Uh, you know, Chase Young is starting on the pop.


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[Assistant] So he's not going to start the year completely healthy. It doesn't look like right now coming back from that ACL. Uh, but Mathis, according to some reports has looked faster, more agile than expected. Could be a run stopper plus effective in the pass rush, a combo guy.


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[Assistant] Okay, Young Pain, Jonathan Allen, Montez Sweat, all former first-rounders.


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[Assistant] The New Orleans Saints are plus 2,000. Room Court says Saints fans know it is Paulson Adibo, right? Adibo? Adibo. Yeah, Paulson Adibo. Third round cornerback, cornerback. I like him. Stanford. Yeah, he was your number five in your draft class rankings.


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[Assistant] I feel like at times he was confusing to you in your evaluation process. You didn't quite know what to make of him at Ohio State.


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[Assistant] No, it is. My grandmother taught me that. You don't use it, you lose it. Yeaah. You haven't seen 40 year old virgin either. That's another thing to say. No. But that's why people do crossword puzzles. Right. Cause if you don't use that, you're not going to be able to do crossword puzzles when you're 80. Which is a huge problem. Right. Uh, Cam Jordan, a huge stud on their defensive line. You got Marcus Davenport there. But David Uniamada.


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[Assistant] He's my guy to watch, you know, suspended for six games last year. Don't like to see stuff like that. Um, but when he came back, he still had more pressures than the rest of the defensive line combined, which is surprising. I was reading that out there and so he's got to watch maybe, you know, can he, you know,


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[Assistant] Be a compliment to Cam Jordan on the outside, Marcus Davenport on the outside, like he was at the end of last year.


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[Assistant] Mike Florio's team, the Minnesota Vikings are also plus 2000 like the Saints to win the NFC. Ringo number four. His eyes are all on a guy you were high on.


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[Assistant] What is that throat? It's like off the other leg.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Brandon Reed61 does say Lewis Seen. You just mentioned him. I just want to see how he'll work with the Vikings New Look defense and how he'll mesh with Harrison Smith. And there's another video of him with a pass breakup if you're watching on Peacock or on our new YouTube page against Kellen Mann. So we show good from Mann, bad from Mann. This is over the middle. All right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in the middle of the season, we're going to have to say, you know, he's great. He's just going to learn to rein it in, you know, when to deliver those hits and when not to. You're probably right.


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[Assistant] If they're gonna get some more pressure on the quarterback, maybe it'll come up front from Delvin Tomlinson, my defensive lineman to watch. A new role and a new defense this year. Uh, Ed Donatell says he's gonna be used multiple ways. They're gonna move him around a little bit.


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[Assistant] That's why the guys to watch for you on the defensive side there. Defensive secondary was seen and Andrew Booth, your guy. The Cardinals plus 1600 to win the NFC. Swish B says Rondale Moore is his guy to watch. Played well in spurts last season. Liked to see him get off to a good start this season. That's certainly a key piece to perhaps an improved offense this year with Kyler Murray back.


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[Assistant] You got some good pieces around him on defense. You got JJ Watt, if he can stay healthy. Sure. A question, but if he can stay healthy, you got the edge there. You got the other side of the edge with Zach Allen.


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[Assistant] My guys to watch her in the middle kind of, can they shut down the run game? You got leaky photo, a lucky photo there along with Richard Lawrence. Richard Lawrence, big boy from Clemson back in the day. Who's going to be the run stopper? You got the pass rushers. Who's going to be that big dude in the middle there to be.


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[Assistant] On skates. And that's another, I think that's another rookie there, Cam Jergens, is that?


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[Assistant] I think so, yeaah. Are you less excited now after seeing that video or more excited about Jordan Davis?


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[Assistant] Did you give a Cardinals one at the end there? Isaiah Simmons, remember? That's right, I'm sorry. I didn't know if you officially made it Isaiah Simmons.


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[Assistant] You need to go back a few minutes there? I know, I was just trying to make sure that we were both in not the right headspace there, but we're back. We're back, we're here. We're some Patiko.


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[Assistant] That type of talent. Highest odds though to win the NFC. In the NFC East are the Cowboys. They're next at plus 900. Uh, Abbott football player he's watching is Jalen Tolbert. Cowboys are gonna have to rely on him all season long. Refresh my memory. Jalen Tolbert.


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[Assistant] A former third round pick, cause the goal has to be to improve that run stopping for the Dallas Cowboys. He had an elbow injury much of last year. He's already said in training camp this year, he's quote, ready to set the world on fire. So if you're going to do that in the preseason, I want to see that. I want to see a man setting the world on fire. I hope he does.


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[Assistant] I'm going to be, I'm going to make an exception here. I'm going to watch both guys. We're getting to the teams with the best odds in the NFC here. 49ers plus 750 to win the conference. Brian Con 23 and ya boy Elroy and about 20 others have all said Trey Lance. I know this is one of those that's like


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[Assistant] Yeah, on the defensive side, you're right. There are some questions there just because they've lost some depth on the defensive line too. I think they've had some injuries. Maurice Hurst already. I was reading about that. My guy to watch would be Jevon Kinlaw because I think you were high on him coming out, had injuries. I don't know how much we'll see him in this preseason coming back from.


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[Assistant] What is it? ACL with him as well? Yea, ACL surgery. Yea, but they-


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[Assistant] The fact that he dropped to them too. I was shocked.


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[Assistant] So the 49ers are plus 750, the Rams in their division are plus 500 to get back to the Super Bowl. Mark Floyd says 2-2 Atwell for him. I would love for him to emerge as the speed guy, assuming OBJ is not back long term. I'm joining the party there. You're gonna?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna have my eye on Aaron Donald. He's fun to watch, right? Is he, is he still good? Uh, no, on the other side of the line, A'Shawn Robinson had his career year last year, uh, came from Detroit and he said in Detroit, they never use me, never use me right. Goes to LA, has a career year. And I wonder if he can build on that.


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[Assistant] And he said Christian Watson for him. Any chance he could become a regular starter. So his eyes are on a weapon for Aaron Rodgers, a guy that you were very high on. He was your number two wide receiver just behind Jameson Williams. I'm guessing maybe he's your guy too.


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[Assistant] That would be nice for them because that has been a mantra around there. It's like get Kenny Clark some help. And maybe they've done that with Devontae Wyatt, your guy to watch. My guy to watch on the line there is TJ Slate in a fifth round pick from 2021. Apparently he's looked pretty good.


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[Assistant] The defensive line coach there, Jerry Montgomery, says that he can be a dominant run stopper and Matt Lafleur said that he is light years ahead of where he was a year ago. Now that can be very good if that means there's a little improvement on an already good foundation. That could be bad if he was terrible last year, but he could be a key part too on that defensive line. Definitely.


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[Assistant] Some of the under the radar names that you may be hearing about this preseason, you're hearing them first here. You're hearing them first. One final team. The Buccaneers, the favorite to get to the Super Bowl out of the NFC plus 300. Their player to watch for you is Tom Brady. You know, I've never heard of him, so yea, he's got a


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[Assistant] And I'll add Logan Hall to that too. First pick of the second round out of Houston, expected to kind of go back and forth, team up with Akeem Hicks there, replacing Sue. And so yeah, I mean that.


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[Assistant] Yes, didn't I say that? Pete, Pete says JPP not there anymore. Yea, he's replacing him. Did you give a guy for the Cardinals? Did you get a player to watch it? Oh, I was gonna say a Sim. That's right, that's right. That's our head time.


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[Assistant] Man, I love that. That was good. That was some good players to watch and some good storylines that we can track this preseason. We can check back and see how some of those guys are doing as we go. How long did we go there, Pete? I feel like that was a beefy one.


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[Assistant] Oof. Alright, alright. Sorry, Kristen. So hopefully you ate before the pod and all the people back there, uh, alright. But hey, but it was informative at least, you know? And if you're a homie and you've made it to this part,


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[Assistant] The F up the play. You know it. We're starting it. It's a TFP, okay? That's what we're gonna start calling it. Or FTP, sorry, FTP, excuse me.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, FTPs. I'm hoping we don't f*** this podcast up. That's what I'm hoping. Sorry. One swear in the books here on a Wednesday. Uh, joined by my man, Paul Burmeister, as usual.


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[Assistant] What the hell are we supposed to wear? Are we supposed to wear suits with no tie? Is that what we're supposed to do?


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[Assistant] Okay, cool. Alright, so alright, I'll do that. We'll figure out colors afterwards, okay? But, uh, yeaah, let's not match. I don't wanna be matchy-matchy with you.


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[Assistant] Uh, but either way excited for what we got today with the podcast. We're going to break down the defensive tackles inside


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[Assistant] Interior defense alignment of the draft. I'm going to give you my top guys and give you a quick breakdown of all of them. Special group, so please stay tuned to that.


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[Assistant] We're going to talk about some relevant news right now in the NFL. And we have Steve Palazzolo, Palazzolo coming on. Uh, I should have lots of practice with Italian names since I was born and raised in New Jersey and I married a Sicilian girl herself.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, sirens went off when I saw the agents there. Now, again, I've never been a first pick of any draft or anything like that, so I know I can't put myself totally in the Kyler Murray shoes there as far as this is concerned. But I've been following football for a long, long time.


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[Assistant] And agents usually do not accompany players.


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[Assistant] Now we'd like your agent to get here just to talk about some business specifics, whether that's contract details, guaranteeing you're not going to play baseball, all those type of things so we can pick you number one. So to me again,


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[Assistant] They're going, there's a real good chance. I'm not saying that the Arizona Cardinals just because of this are going slam dunk, it's Kyler Murray at one.


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[Assistant] But to me, from what you're saying and everything I'm reading, yes, I'm going, okay, it's 90-10 right now, okay? They're going, maybe there's a possibility we don't take them. Maybe something happens and we get blown out of a, by, blown out of the water by some trade offer for somebody who wants the number one pick.


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[Assistant] He probably knows a lot about the situation. His agent probably has talked to teams about trades. So maybe they were afraid to put him up there too, to where he might just...


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[Assistant] Even if you're the Washington Redskins at number 16, if I'm correct off the top of my head.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so too. You know, what else, what I think also, it's not just about the value of Josh Rosen as the player. He's worth a first round pick and a trade. The problem, this is what people have to realize.


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[Assistant] Has another guy that they like at the position. So they can't hold everybody's feet to the fire going, oh no, well, we really like Josh Rosen. At some point teams are gonna go, well, we don't buy it. We think you like Kyle Murray and you'd like to get him out of the building. So here's our final offer. Take it or leave it. That hurts the trade value too. And I think sometimes that gets lost in this discussion.


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[Assistant] I don't buy out of the first round. There's no way. Uhm, let me clarify with this right off the bat.


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[Assistant] Dwayne Haskins, from everything I've seen on film, is a top 10, a top 15 pick. I, I don't have any reservations about that.


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[Assistant] He's big, he's fearless in the pocket, he has a big time arm, he has a very quick release. I know he's not that mobile, but he's got very quick feet in the pocket to readjust, which I like, okay?


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[Assistant] I think it's everything post bowl game, really, to me. And, and you've heard me say this, I did not like the look of him at the combine. From all facets, not only the way his body looked,


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[Assistant] Didn't think he dropped back in just some of the drills correctly, like he hadn't worked on it much. Then you cramp after 140 and don't run a good time at the 40 position.


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[Assistant] When you run 5-0-4 this day and age in the NFL position at quarterback and then there's a guy like Quinnen Williams who runs a much faster time than that at 303 pounds at defensive tackle, people are going to be concerned. It's just a different world. They're no longer the pocket passers as sexy in the NFL.


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[Assistant] So, uh, I think that let alone like you've heard me say the litmus test of


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, it shows me, one, that the coaches think he's special to put all that on his plate and make plays happen. Yes, two, you know, he, uh,


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[Assistant] He came through in a lot of those instances or came through to keep the game close to where they didn't get blown out by the teams that were clearly better than them. And I give him credit for some of those situations too.


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[Assistant] Same kind of thing. Exactly right. And he has a lot of similarities to J.Culler. And I hear people try to use that as a negative sometimes. Like, I see a lot of J.Culler there.


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[Assistant] Like, okay. He had a nice career. He had a very nice career. Jay Cutler, again.


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[Assistant] Is better than what people think and realize. You know, it's a team sport. I know everything's about the quarterback now. It's all that matters. Tom Brady does the whole thing by himself. Nobody else is even helping. He makes all the tackles, he blocks everybody, calls the plays.


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[Assistant] Nobody else. That's what we've gotten into this world, and I would go for Jay Culler to defend him.


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[Assistant] I would go, he had unbelievable talent. And you look at the years when he was around.


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[Assistant] And other years when I can't even remember these people's names and their crap on offense and all that and things weren't so good. Yeah, he wasn't that good. I understand that. Uhm, but I think Jay Cutler is a little better than maybe the public gives him credit for.


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[Assistant] I still have work to do. I still have to like, I would just, I always like to try to really do at least a deep dive into all the guys and there's guys at the bottom of the list who...


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[Assistant] I haven't done a deep dive on, like I know a little bit about so I can talk about them when I get on radio appearances and things like that, but


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[Assistant] I haven't, there's probably like a list of 10 quarterbacks where I go, I've only seen cutups and tapes and I want to watch some games and really get a feel for what this guy is. Games mean something. If you're just watching film and you're watching cutups and things like that,


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[Assistant] You're not, you're gonna lose context of why things happen or what makes the guy special or what makes the guy not special. All of that matters as far as context clues and evaluating the players.


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[Assistant] Oh, here's a pick play and some awesome design play by the offensive coordinator and there's nobody in the screen.


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[Assistant] I wanna see throws that are conducive to more of what you're gonna have to do in the NFL. So a grading department could have a guy like that who's some creative offense, playing against some bad teams or bad defenses, and the numbers look great.


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[Assistant] And you go there and, okay, yeaah, oh, our formula will be used. This guy is one of the best, you know, overall grades we have. Sure, okay, yeaah, that's nice.


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[Assistant] Oh, a guy stands in the pocket and throws a laser to a 20 yard incut through a tight window and kind of has people around him, which is very conducive to an NFL. I'm going to give that a lot more credit.


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[Assistant] Then the play like I just talked about where there's a slot receiver who gets a pick play and a quarterback's in the clean pocket and makes a throw that's accurate and nice and that's all good.


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[Assistant] But on the grading scale, they're gonna get the same grade? No, they're not. That's when experience happens and you have to take into account the offense, the defense that's being played against, and yes, the degree of difficulty of the play and throw has to be valued into the ranking of that play and how that affects the numbers.


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[Assistant] Oh, I, I, you know, well, no, I, uh, first of all, you do great, great week, uh, work, Steve. You really do. Uh, PFF, there's a lot of value. I know you're an extremely intelligent guy. I've had too many people tell me that. Uhm, and,


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[Assistant] Again, I'm not here to down, you know, down talk anything you guys do. I just want you and I to have some healthy conversations. I know there's some disagreements we have.


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[Assistant] In the process. And I know the numbers have great value. I really do. I'm not against the numbers. I just am gonna probably argue sometimes here with certain guys that numbers don't say everything. And I guess that's where we can have some healthy discussions.


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[Assistant] I'm ranked third, right. I have Drew Lock as number two, and Haskins as number three, but saw a lot of the things Steve said.


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[Assistant] There's a little bit part of who he is, but he'd have to, a good offensive coordinator or coach is going to be able to make him better at what he can realistically do and maybe improve it from it there.


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[Assistant] Yep, okay, that's cool. And I, and, and just say to push back with Steve a little bit here, you know, there's things about when he did that pressure that I liked too. And it wasn't perfect.


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[Assistant] But one of the things I loved about Dwayne Haskins is when people were around him, and to what Steve talked about, he will sit in the pocket sometimes forever. And that could be a good thing, but it could also be a detriment at times too.


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[Assistant] Because it can be a good thing because sometimes he sits there and yeaah, the pocket starts to collapse because he's patted the ball three or four times and he rips some 20 yard laser down the middle of the field for a first down.


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[Assistant] Whether he can't step into a pocket or people are grabbing at his shoulders, I like the fact that he was unaffected by it.


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[Assistant] Okay, so let's go on to the next guy. Let's go on to our big disagreements here. Go ahead, you wanna, where do you wanna lead this?


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[Assistant] To where, yeaah, I've been just absolutely blown away, Steve, a little bit about some guys, the draft experts.


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[Assistant] Who have had Kyler Murray as the 13th best player on their big board, and I just want to go that, this absolutely makes no sense.


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[Assistant] Yes, I mean, he's right about Will Greer. When he does move out of the pocket, it's nothing special, okay? Uhm, what I would argue too, you know, again, like you said, Steve, and I think you're spot on, when the pocket's clean and people are open, he's an accurate thrower.


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[Assistant] But to me, that's not always going to be life in the NFL especially. So to me, on some of those plays,


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[Assistant] What I think concerns me is the offense does set up a lot of completions and easy throws for him, definitely. And Steve, to what you said, yes, when I look at games like Iowa State or Oklahoma State who had some talent to challenge throws,


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[Assistant] Challenge maybe some of the BS plays they have in their offense, right? That were just like, oh, Holgersson did a great job of scheming up a guy wide open. When they were taken away,


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[Assistant] I thought Will Greer was less than in trying to being able to make something happen.


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[Assistant] In the NFL, you're gonna have to throw that, and he wouldn't do it, or he might throw it and it becomes a bang bang play, right, where the DB knocks it down just as it gets there, and then I go,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but see, that should be a completion there. And to me, that's where I go back to Will Greer. What is it about him, okay, because the numbers, I agree with Steve, they're gonna back him up.


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[Assistant] But what is it about him, the player, that is gonna make him special in the NFL? I think it's a below average NFL arm.


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[Assistant] Please tell me if I'm wrong about anything you said or what jumps out to you and do you take into account the talent maybe they have to play against at times?


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, so, I mean, alright, so, you know, again, I don't see it that way necessarily with, and listen, to his point with Greer, when people are open, yes, uh, he makes the throws, I understand that.


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[Assistant] Brady sometimes goes 30 throws in a row and never looks, gets off the first read. The first read's open every time, but that's New England. That's different for the rest of the other quarterbacks in football. They're making throws into the tight windows and having to throw a 20 yard comeback on third and 10 into tight coverage and making those throws. That's where I go to Will Greer and go, I just don't see any of that.


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[Assistant] And, you know, he's going to have to make some of those plays where then on Drew Lockside, hey, is there some rawness and things that I don't like at times? Certainly.


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[Assistant] Man, when you talk about the SEC and defenses, I mean, they just look at the numbers of the draft, you want to get in the numbers, I mean, linebackers, D linemen, D defensive backs, uh,


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[Assistant] Wow, is it off the charts? There's not been a lot of great quarterback play in the SEC because of that. So that's where I guess I would push back against that. I think you're crazy that you have Will Greer in front of, uhm, Drew Locke, but everything else, I think you're a pretty smart guy.


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[Assistant] Yep, I-I-I hear you. And again, I'm glad we're having this conversation. To me, it's easier to teach Drew Locke the things he needs to fix.


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[Assistant] But I think a little of that is a part of the environment you're in at times.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I get you there. There's definitely questions about every one of them other than Kyla Murray for me too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, totally. I mean, I even said before you came on, I just would like to hear this and we'll let you go. We bothered you long enough. But, like, if you had a rank them...


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[Assistant] Gotcha. Awesome stuff, Steve. Uhm, we, we appreciate you coming on, man. Thanks for, thanks for doing this.


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[Assistant] You know, again, the, the grading, the degree of difficulty of throws too, like, oh, there's a wide open running back on a wheel route down the sidelines. I'm not going, woof, man, what a play by Will Greer.


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[Assistant] And I would go conversely to the other side in a crap offense with Missouri. Okay.


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[Assistant] It's hard to find games where there's completions that are easy. It's just, it's hard. It's, every completion's, that's pretty good coverage, good throw, you put it on the money.


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[Assistant] If you watch the game sometimes, when you have pressure in your face, like three out of every five plays,


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[Assistant] As you know from playing quarterback, you start to see and feel ghosted times. You get in bad habits because you go, damn, I've had to make three throws in a row, fading away and doing it. And now it's just, it seems like the pockets kind of collapsing me on every throw. So now he's like, kind of gets in the mode of let me fade away or let me move it. It can create bad habits. Hey, way to go, man.


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[Assistant] Very good college quarterback. Not a very good college quarterback, I meant to say. But good job bringing the ball. Thanks for contributing to the show, finally. We need that a lot because we're


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[Assistant] Yeah, Draymond Jones, uh, a guy that, okay, first of all, this is an unbelievable group of football players. I think that's where we gotta start out. But Draymond Jones, I mean, you're talking about a guy, 6'3", 281, uh, ran a 5'1", 2 in the 40, plays faster than that, more athletic than that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, not a space eater type of guy as far as a defensive tackle is concerned. I wrote down as a comparison, Malik Jackson, okay. That's the kind of, the kind of guy he looks like to me. Kind of that hybrid three technique, be able to move him out to defense end at times and do that.


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[Assistant] And arm strength and things like that. Very special. I don't think this kid's a first-rounder, but I think he goes on somewhere in the second round, somewhere between 35 and 62. This group is strong.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm not, I'm yeah, recently and working out and preparing for the combine. And so, so that's a little concerning, certainly, but the guy is a good football player.


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[Assistant] Now, I mean he's rocked up. You can see the muscles, you can see the hamstring striations, and then you can see his butt, everything. I mean he's great, a great twitchy


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[Assistant] Who can, uh, be disruptive, shoot into the backfield.


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[Assistant] If I had to knock a negative on his game a little bit, it is, uhm, double teams were not like his cup of tea. When he gets double teamed, he can be moved around.


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[Assistant] He's a special athlete, uh, but I was. I was a little less impressed with his power and his ability to anchor versus some running schemes where he had to take on a double team or a down block or whatever it may be. But again,


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[Assistant] You know, all of those things, can he play through a little pain when maybe he's not feeling 100% early on in the season? All of those things will be taken into account on whether you take that chance at the end of the first round.


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[Assistant] But yes, he is worthy of that because if he was healthy, we'd be sitting here talking about him as a top 20 pick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, number five, and I, listen, I might be a little lower on this guy than some, but Christian Wilkins is where I'm going number five. Now again, I just would like to remind everybody here, we're talking about awesome football players, alright, we're being nitpicky about first round prospects who are


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[Assistant] Truly awesome and elite. He is a extremely


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[Assistant] Man, to run 504 in the 40 at that weight is phenomenal. His change of direction. Now people might want to say like, what the hell does pliable and bendable and all those things even mean for a defensive tackle? Annie, it's that time. I'm standing up. Third time. Okay. So what I mean by that is,


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[Assistant] You know, okay, a Jeffrey Simmons who might be a little tighter and tighter wound, right? He can get in some positions like this and he goes down and over.


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[Assistant] Was his ability to anchor. When I get back to the word anchor for everybody out there, I mean your ability to hold ground


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[Assistant] Uh, when you're being down blocked or double teamed, that's a huge thing to me. How bad are your negative plays? Right? And not that these were bad, but for a guy with his size and his measurables, I was a little disappointed at his strength at the point of attack.


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[Assistant] in those situations. He can be moved back a little bit in some of those type of plays.


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly right. So that to me, again, you know what changes him there too. It takes him out of the conversation for being a shade dozer, a nose tackle. Because that's that, that guy, as you know,


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[Assistant] Or anybody who studies defense alignment out there. You want your nose tackle, your shade nose.


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[Assistant] He should be your most powerful football player on the team. Just hold your spot. Just hold your spot. I got, I got 650 pounds pushing me. Oh, big deal. I'm just gonna stand here and...


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[Assistant] Man, are his quicks, uh, his quicks are special.


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[Assistant] All of that stuff is really special. But I think that the length and sheer power, uh, is a little bit of an issue. I don't think he can two gap in the NFL in a 3-4 defense.


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[Assistant] I wrote at the end of the day, the kid is awesome. He's a top 25 player for sure. He's an incredible athlete. He has the nose for the ball and he has three down value, uh, which is important because he can push the pocket in the pass game.


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[Assistant] He reminds me of Kawan Short, okay, from the Carolina Panthers. He was an awesome player, exactly right. Uh, but yes, I didn't think he was a top ten talent or anything along those, uh, those lines.


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[Assistant] And you mess up everything for everybody. You said that was early in the season? Early in the season. No, but he got, he got better with it as the year went on and he is a disruptive.


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[Assistant] When it's first and second down in the middle of the field, man, I mean, don't be shocked if just, you know, uh, I mean, Jerry Tillery splits through the defensive line and gets in the quarterback's way, might not get a stat, but he,


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[Assistant] He was phenomenal at that. He keeps his eyes in the backfield that I thought were really, uh, impressive.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think this year was a lot of quality play. Plus, he's got a lot of position versatility here, uh, Burmeister. Okay, the thing I like is he can play three technique in a 4-3 defense. He can play five technique, for all those out there, a five technique, a 3-4 defense, where the defensive end lines up straight over the offensive tackle.


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[Assistant] That's what a 3-4 defense is asked to do. So he can do all three of those things, which is gonna make him appealing to two different types of defenses in the NFL, which I think add to his


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[Assistant] Is just an out of this world special specimen. I mean, that's where it starts. He's like the Tasmanian devil as far as interior defense alignment. And the film, uh, Paul is not always awesome because he's playing out of position.


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[Assistant] You're gonna see some negatives. It's a little bit of a projection with Ed Oliver. But Ed Oliver is one of the freakiest athletes in any position in the whole draft. I mean, there's really no other way to say it. He's got a lot of Aaron Donald, uh, Gino Atkins type.


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[Assistant] Of style about him, right? A guy that, okay yeaah, he's not gonna be, again, a space eater, not gonna hold his ground versus double teams all the time.


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[Assistant] Man, if you're one on one with him, or he's got a beat on your snap count, holy cow, his get off and his ability to shoot through a gap is as good as you're ever gonna find in the NFL. Let alone, okay,


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[Assistant] Is like a middle linebacker in the NFL.


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[Assistant] The Atlanta Falcons, right off the bat there. Yes. A 4-3 team who loves athletic disruptive people, uh, in the middle of their defense. Yeah, that's a team I look at and go, ooh.


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[Assistant] Just an absolute freaky athlete. And the last thing is, is he is an incredible motor. And that is something to be talked about. It is.


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[Assistant] Like, pedal to the metal every freaking play. And I put a lot of stock into that too. He's not gonna die out on an eight play drive and all of a sudden you gotta take him out because he's exhausted. He has good stamina for somebody that size.


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[Assistant] out of this world. He's 340 pounds. I mean, so from that standpoint alone, he's got great value, whether he's a shade nose tackle or a three, four nose tackle. It doesn't matter. Good luck moving in. But here's the other thing. His athleticism is


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[Assistant] As good as Christian Wilkins, who he's 25 pounds bigger than. I mean, his athleticism is really elite.


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[Assistant] For this size. I mean, I don't think I've ever seen anybody at 340 move the way Dexter Lawrence moves.


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[Assistant] This might have been one of my favorite surprises of the whole draft. And like, I am sitting here because I don't want to miss anything in my notes or anything like that.


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[Assistant] The bad plays, they're never bad. I put a lot of stock in that. Like to me, his bad plays are stalemates. And if stalemates are your bad plays, then I'm okay with it.


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[Assistant] Every now and then, you know, he's asked to stunt three gaps over and he might get pushed past that gap. Okay, that's great. I don't put any, like, stock into that. Nobody on planet Earth is gonna be able to go, hey, we'd like you to run eight yards to the right and stop on the dead dime with a 300 pounder on your back. Uh, oh, okay, good luck with doing that. I don't care who you are. Ran a 505. Ran a 505.


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[Assistant] Yeah, at 342 pounds. Uh, right, so 505, and we talked about a quarterback in Dwayne Haskins who ran 502, and that's why it's a concern. When a guy who's 109 pounds bigger than you is just as fast as you, that's an issue in the NFL.


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[Assistant] And I just thought a lot of special elite, uh, attributes about this guy. Could he play nose in the 3-4? He definitely, he could play nose, I think that's the other thing too. He could do everything, a little bit like the last guy, or, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, we talked about Jerry Tillery being able to play different positions.


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[Assistant] Dexter Lawrence could be a straight nose tackle or a shade nose in a 4-3 defense. I think he could be a three technique in a 4-3 defense and if you wanted to put him outside and


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[Assistant] I think Quinn and Williams is the best film I've ever seen for interior defense alignment. Ever. Yeaah. I mean, it's, it's better to me than Aaron Donnell's coming out of Pittsburgh.


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[Assistant] His ability in the pass rush inside, his ability to kinda...


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[Assistant] You know, slap and swim and go around guards and centers. I mean, he does it every other pass play.


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[Assistant] I, I wrote, I mean my next line, again I'm swearing a lot today, I'm sorry, but my next line was,


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[Assistant] Center's guards have zero chance. I said I really thought I was gonna see a guy who struggled versus double teams, but that's false. Handles double teams like he's a 320, 325 pounder.


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[Assistant] But again, I don't think he's gonna be number two off the board, because you gotta look at the team who's number two. And number two is the San Francisco 49ers, and they already have a plethora of defensive tackles. They've, they've drafted what, three defensive tackles out of the last four drafts, I believe, in Buckner, Eric Armstead, and Solomon Thomas.


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[Assistant] Uhm, no. None of them are as good as him. They are not. And again, that is something for them to think about.


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[Assistant] Okay, he's probably pissed because I just saw a text message just saying, can we do 1230 sharp? Let's, uh, it's 1244.


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[Assistant] As you can see, I like Tillery, I think maybe more than most and think he should be at least a top 30 pick.


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[Assistant] It's interesting to me just because, again, you know, you try to connect dots and everything that's going on in the NFL, okay?


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[Assistant] And, you know, I think through, through history, I've learned a lot through connecting dots in my time. And when you hear certain rumors, oh, I believe this because, you know, I, oh, I remembered when I heard these type of rumors, they're false. And when I hear this kind of rumor, they're true. You know, here's the three things that jump out or maybe not three. I don't even know how many I'm going to have here, but.


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[Assistant] You know, we hear about a Giants talk a few, few weeks ago that Russell Wilson could go to New York at some point.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I understand that and I think that's, that's the big question because he is a special football player, right? But I think that the Seattle Seahawks also look at this and go, wait, we're the Seattle Seahawks.


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[Assistant] For a lot of reasons, it's not just Russell Wilson. We went in this playoff run and went to two Super Bowls because we had a young quarterback on his rookie contract


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[Assistant] And we were able to build this great football team around them.


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[Assistant] Great defensive players, uh, great offensive lineman, Marshawn Lynch at running back, you know, got a good depth of receivers around him as well. And I think Pete Carroll and John Schneider look at that and they probably have a lot of self-confidence in their abilities to do that and they go, I think we could win that way again. I think that's what they look at, uh. You think that's a mistake to think that way?


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[Assistant] We're seeing too many teams in recent history have quarterbacks and rookie contracts who are in the Final Four or in the Super Bowl or in the Final Eight.


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[Assistant] Or the New England Patriots who have a quarterback who takes a team friendly deal. Right. And they're involved. So I think teams have to start taking notice of this. We are letting quarterbacks take hostage of organizations more than ever. But for me,


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[Assistant] With a Russell Wilson, I think he is a notch above maybe some of the guys we're talking about here. This is a special transcendent type of talent.


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[Assistant] I just wonder if there's more to it. There has to be.


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[Assistant] Because of the recent success, I just said this I think and I hope I'm not, because of the recent success we've seen with, you know, quarterbacks on rookie salary caps and your ability to build the rest of the football team.


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[Assistant] Right, exactly, and listen, I wanna move on to the next subject, but I'm gonna point this out for all of us three and anybody that's out there. Teams?


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[Assistant] With quarterback friendly deals with success lately, okay? Might be rookie contracts, might be just quarterback friendly deals, right? Okay, we said Tom Brady, they're in the Super Bowl every freakin' year, and part of the reason is because Dad said,


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[Assistant] Who was also on his rookie deal? How about the Baltimore Ravens with Joe Flacco when they won the Super Bowl? Rookie deal. The team they were playing against, the San Francisco to 49ers, Colin Kaepernick, was on a rookie deal. So I think that right there shows you that there's been some success here. We talk about franchise quarterbacks, franchise quarterbacks, but


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[Assistant] I know we all want to think the quarterback does everything on the field now like I make fun of all the time. I mean, nobody in New England does anything. Tom Brady tackles, catches, throws, runs. Nobody does anything. Uhm, but I'm trying to show that it's a team sport. It's the ultimate team sport.


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[Assistant] Teams might go, well, the Giants don't seem too hot on these quarterbacks. We don't need to worry about them and trade up in front of them, whatever it may be. Uh, so good job by you there, Inspector Gadget.


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[Assistant] We want to talk because, because first of all, you're a champion of food, okay? Alright, this is a guy that can eat. We've had Brian Burns, defensive lineman, uh, for the Florida State Seminoles come on. He's been putting on weight. He eats about six meals a day.


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[Assistant] But if you could, no problem with that, if you could go and win the Masters, okay, and they have that, you know, amazing dinner that they had last night on April 9th, where the previous champion,


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[Assistant] Oh man, some grandma, some Barbara Sims right there. Barbara, Barbara is the person that is, well no, she is not with us any longer. But she's, she's the person that's responsible for the Sims being athletes, really. I mean, Grandpa Sims is a good athlete.


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[Assistant] You're right. It's uh, hence the word unbuttoned, okay? There we go. Good stuff today? Yeaah. Alright. Lot of stuff. Lot of stuff. My goodness. Yeaah, we've been going at it here.


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[Assistant] I know. Hope everybody enjoyed it. That's the Wednesday podcast. Love the interaction. You know that.


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[Assistant] Players I've evaluated in the past, please, I welcome it on Twitter, at CSimsQB, Instagram, at simsumbutton. If you want to watch two handsome guys hanging out in Central Park at NBC, youtube.com slash NBC Sports. But for Paul Burmeister, you the man, thanks as always. Thanks for driving the ship, uh, the ship. We'll talk to you. Peace out, homies. See ya. Say goodbye.


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[Assistant] Yo yo, what's up? Come on man, subscribe on YouTube to Chris Simms Unbuttoned Podcast. I need you, please hit the subscribe button, please!


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[Assistant] It's a special joint edition of the Chris Sims Unbuttoned PFTPM podcast. What do you usually say to start off?


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[Assistant] Here's the thing. I invited you to join my wife and I last night for dinner. You would have avoided your hotel room for two hours and you chose to, to like get takeout and go back to your hotel room. So you can't complain about it. You chose to be there two hours when you didn't have to.


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[Assistant] Yesterday was eventful for us because we began taping PFT Live because we don't want


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[Assistant] And we had about an hour to an hour and a half done.


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[Assistant] And Rob Gronkowski retired. So it's like, get rid of all the stuff we've already done. We have to go back and reshoot segments. We had to do basically half the show again, which is fine. It happens. We have to do it again today. Who knows? Who knows? But now that we've had about a day to let it marinate, cause it surprised us, it shocked us, even though we knew it could happen. Right. Here we are a day later.


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[Assistant] It is still jarring to hear you say that into a microphone. I am concerned that if you get too comfortable using that kind of language into a microphone, it's gonna come out when it shouldn't.


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[Assistant] So back to Gronk, we're gonna have Drew Rosenhaus coming up later on the program. We talked to him for about 15 minutes and he had a lot of great insight. And one thing that he has said in the aftermath of Gronk retiring, there is a chance we're gonna have a little Roger Clemens thing where maybe he'll come back during the season. I don't know if Bill Belichick wants that.


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[Assistant] But in theory, he could come back, help them out if they have a need, come back and play part of a regular season, get ready for the postseason. He was great in the postseason last year.


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[Assistant] Listen closely though, folks, when you hear the Gronk, or not the Gronk, but the Rosenhouse interview on Gronkowski, bulging disc? Yes. That could be something he was fighting through last year that we didn't even know about. That could be something that would maybe keep him from coming back. Alright, but.


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[Assistant] Given that it's a possibility. Yeah. Right now. And I'm gonna hold you to it. Okay. Who has more catches in 2019? Rob Gronkowski or Jason Witten? Oh my gosh, that's a really good one.


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[Assistant] We need to say who knows what will happen when November rolls around, right? Because that's when he starts to feel that. And you've said it time and again, in New England, the regular season is the preseason.


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[Assistant] Have you given any more thought to what you think the Patriots will do? You've got four options. The guys on your roster, free agents who may be out there, and Peter King added in Football Morning in America on Monday that


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[Assistant] Jared Cook will indeed sign with the Saints. He's not going to have a change of heart and go to the Patriots. Trades or the draft? And maybe it's a combination of the four, but any more thought on what you think they do?


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[Assistant] Somebody posted a photo yesterday of Irv Smith shaking Bill Belichick's hand at the Alabama Pro Day Workout and Irv Smith retweeted it with the


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[Assistant] The double eyes. Yeah, right. I'm available. Yeah, yeah. And, and you know, who knows what they'll do, but they're going to have to do something because they cut Dwayne Allen and Gronk is now retired and Bill Belichick will always have a plan.


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[Assistant] It's kind of a different experience doing this here. Well, you should be used to this now, although when you are doing the Chris Simms Unbuttoned podcast at the NBC Sports Group Studios, the stuff going on behind you, you really don't see because you're looking this way, but you've got people walking by and they like look over like, oh, are those guys somebody? And then they realize, no, they're nobody.


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[Assistant] And me as well, yes. But they will ask questions that really get me thinking about angles that I'd never thought about before, so I end up stealing those concepts and using them the next morning on PFT Live or writing stories about it. A lot of times I forget. That's the thing, while I'm doing it, it's like, hey, I need to remember this. This is a pretty good question and a lot of times I just forget all about it.


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[Assistant] More often than not, I try to remember, and it ends up being something that maybe helps us push the needle forward a little bit, cause they've got a good perspective. Conversation is key. They like you too.


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[Assistant] To pass the rule, maybe they'll pass it on an experimental basis, I don't know, but here's the thing, from a business standpoint, it's good to have an opportunity for the team that is losing to pull the game.


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[Assistant] Little glove on it, right? You know where that show came from, right? Milwaukee? No, no. You know where it originally, it was a spinoff of another popular show. No. You know what show it was a spinoff of? I do not. Happy Days. And Happy Days had like six spinoffs.


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[Assistant] Why is it a spinoff? I don't even understand. They had a plot line with Fonzie and Richie Cunningham. Are you familiar with those two characters? They had a double date with Laverne and Shirley. But they were much more, they were much more, what's the proper word, uh, they were


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[Assistant] Continuing our coverage of the annual meetings in Arizona and a guy that I have seen everywhere in the couple of days that we have been here, getting deals done, making business happen and in demand now that one of his biggest clients has decided to walk away from the game. He is longtime NFL agent, Drew Rosenhouse. Drew, welcome back. How are you?


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[Assistant] Before we get to Gronk, Antonio Brown was the story of the offseason for the first couple of months. And I kept comparing him, Drew, to another one of your former clients, Terrell Owens, in 2005. And I remember what T.O. went through and how hard it was for him to get what he wanted. What has changed in 14 years where a player


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[Assistant] Called his shot and made it happen and got out of a situation he didn't want to be in.


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[Assistant] Rob Gronkowski's decision came out of nowhere yesterday, even though we were watching and waiting and we knew there was a chance he was going to retire. From your perspective, when did you know that he was calling it quits?


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[Assistant] Did you have any discussions, Drew, with the Patriots about some sort of a reduced load, a pitch count, less practice time? Save him for the postseason because he was, he was the old Gronk again in the playoffs.


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[Assistant] And never got jaded. Never lost his nature. Never lost his love of the game. Never always just went. That's what amazes me about football players. They get broken down and they dedicate themselves to getting back to 100%. Going back out into that fray knowing they're gonna get broken down again and have to keep doing it over and over and over.


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[Assistant] At his peak, he was, I believe, the most dangerous non-quarterback in the NFL. Another one of your clients right now, we believe, is the most dangerous player who doesn't throw the football and that's Tyree Kill, the Chiefs receiver. There's been some stuff in the news about him recently. I don't know what you can and can't say since there's a pending investigation, but is there anything that you can tell us about?


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[Assistant] Jay Glazer threw out there last week the idea that he'd heard rumblings of a possible trade. Had you gotten that sense at all that they were thinking about maybe moving on from him?


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[Assistant] Alright, great stuff from Drew Rosenhauser. Very candid, very candid. And let's start where we ended with Tyreek Hill. I didn't expect him to say anything, I mean we had to ask, but it's news to him that there was any discussion of a possible trade. Not that the chiefs would tell him, we're thinking about trading you, but


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[Assistant] Rosenhaus agrees that if they had won the Super Bowl last year, if they'd beaten the Eagles, Gronk


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[Assistant] But the concussion's the thing that caused the family to work on him at length to get out, and now he's out, although apparently he could come back.


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[Assistant] If you leave and you play for somebody else, you go another peg down or another peg down, especially if you end up playing for a team that the Patriots have to deal with on a regular basis. All right, next one. Mike likes dirt. Who are the most, you like dirt, don't you? Yes, I do. Who are the most fun football players of all time? Where does Gronk lie in those ranks? Most fun. Who are the most fun guys when you were


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[Assistant] I mean, there were some renegades back in the 70s, like a Lyle Alzato type. I mean, just some of those colorful, over-the-top personalities back as football was growing in the 70s. Uh, Frenchy Fuqua, the Steelers running back who had the platform shoes with the goldfish in them, and my dad, and I'll never forget this.


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[Assistant] And they played basketball against a group of locals, and my dad took me. And after the game, they're signing autographs. And Frenchie Fuqua's signing autographs, and my dad handed my, his pen, and Fuqua signs the program or whatever, and he goes on, he doesn't give the pen back.


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[Assistant] Think about Bradshaw, how long it took him to figure out how to play football at the NFL level. Today's NFL he'd be back in Shreveport pumping gas. No doubt. You know, you never get five years now.


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[Assistant] Arkel81, do you buy into the Eli has done narrative being banded about by football media circles? I personally believe Eli has something left in the tank. His O-line has let him down the past few years.


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[Assistant] John Merritt got very upset yesterday. You see that? He got very upset because people are writing that there's a sense of loyalty that he's keeping Eli Manning with the Giants. Well, I think it's fair for people to think that. I think it's totally fair. Because if it was any other quarterback, would he still be the guy that is the starter or would they have moved on? They would have already moved on two years ago if it was anybody else. I agree.


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[Assistant] At a red zone out, would the NFL have been more inclined to fix the pass interference rules if the Rams had won the Super Bowl?


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, in the point you made yesterday, if they're relying upon statistical performance by way of


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[Assistant] Converting forth and whatever, it's going to be higher when you're talking about keeping the defense on the field for another play after they've just given up a score. Exactly.


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[Assistant] In theory, it becomes the NCA's targeting rule. Not that...


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[Assistant] I disagree with it. What I disagree with is this idea to just kinda slip it through without people realizing what's going on. But this could be a significant change. If you can have Al River on,


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[Assistant] Or one of his lieutenants at 345 Park Avenue buzzed the referee and say, Hey, we see something here on replay where there was a, you know, somebody lowered their helmet and jammed it into an opponent. That guy needs to go to the showers.


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[Assistant] We're exercising that power to do it. That's just even more power that comes out of the stadium and goes to that central location. And I know that teams are concerned about it. Coaches are concerned about it. They don't know who's in that room. They don't know who's influencing those guys and this idea that the league would have this, this ability to basically run every game.


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[Assistant] I, well, I just would like it more if they were, I feel like the fact that they're not out in the open about it, it just makes me inherently skeptical of it. I like the idea that guys who deserve to be booted out of the game, they get booted out of the game. I just don't necessarily think it's a decision that should be made off-site.


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[Assistant] The approach by the officials before the league office got involved was to err on the side of not disqualifying a player because the officials don't want to disrupt the competitive balance of the game. They'd rather let the league office decide after the game whether to suspend a guy.


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[Assistant] Maybe that's the better approach. Instead of running the guy off the field in the heat of the moment, maybe you decide after the fact whether he sits out the next game.


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[Assistant] I mean, there is a point where it has to happen, like, you know, Beckham, Josh, uh, Norman stuff. It has to happen. Yeah. And, and, uh, but I feel like that the, the officials in the past have, have not done it.


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[Assistant] Because they don't want anyone to ever say you affected the outcome of a game by sending Odo Beckham Jr. to the showers.


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[Assistant] When you shouldn't have. And here's the thing, if you're gonna suspend a player, he's got appeal rights, he's got an opportunity to make his case as to why he should be allowed to keep playing. If you reject a guy, it's not like you can appeal it. That's it, it's done, it's over, so it's a lot of power that gets focused on one person, whether it's the referee or whether it's somebody at 345.


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[Assistant] Alright, uh, let's get a couple more of these before we wrap this up. How about, uh, ASW pack? Which receiver would you love to see the Packers draft to play with? Oh, Aaron Rodgers!


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[Assistant] When you were, uh, when you were going strong. I was, I was at 215. Yeah, okay. And now I'm in between 210 and 215. So I've been able to kind of hang around in that space. But I'm telling you man, post 40.


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[Assistant] You pulled off very well. Thanks. You kind of laid out a number of things we're going to do today. Yeaah. Let's start, the draft is only two and a half weeks away. I know. We kind of get to this point of the season in April where all of a sudden


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[Assistant] It's almost here. So you mentioned the, the narratives. Right. And I think what we want to do is kind of take a shot at maybe busting some of the narratives. Yeah, sure. That have developed up to this point. Pick them apart. Right. Maybe they deserve to stick around. Maybe they deserve to be kind of shot down a little bit. So we have ten.


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[Assistant] Ten draft narratives, two and a half weeks till the draft. Number one, no pun intended, Kyler Murray is going to the Cardinals.


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[Assistant] And the amount the teams have to give up to get there. I was talking to one team in the top 10 and he was like, hey, listen to what I would have to give up to get there. The number of high picks for years you have to give up. It's, it's hard, it's almost hard to justify.


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[Assistant] Okay, so two questions. I want to see your feelings on who it's going to be, but first, what's he worth? If you're a team that wanted him, you're willing to give up what to get him.


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[Assistant] And the Daniel Jones mentioned is a deep tease for what's coming up at number nine for our DraftBusters here. But it would have been a great first round just to watch anyway. Yeaah. The defensive talent quarterbacks, the Josh Rosen thing, I think takes it to the next level. It does. If it waits until then to go down. Alright, at number two.


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[Assistant] What's the term safe when you're talking about a top 5 pick? About 10 years ago we had this conversation with a bunch of guys I was working with. Who's the safest pick in this year's draft? Everybody said, it's easy, it's Braylon Edwards. How did that turn out? This safe thing can almost be


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[Assistant] Uh, number four, Ed Oliver comparisons to Aaron Donald. Ooh.


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[Assistant] Okay, isn't it a little misleading because they were up so much in so many games. I mean, those numbers, how many yards they gave up a game total and on the ground. I mean, most of the games, they were up a couple touches.


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[Assistant] I'll never tell. It's just a, it's another deeper tease there. Offense, how about we go back to offense? Number five narrative we're trying to shoot holes in here. Okay. DK Metcalf, your number one wide receiver. Right. His top billing is based on optics and projection.


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[Assistant] Okay, tied in. T.J. Hawkinson is better than Noah Fant. What do you think?


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[Assistant] To take a tight end is kind of a luxury pick for you. You didn't think either one would be there. They're both there. You don't have to have either one, but wow, you can picture your offense with a wonderful tight end. Which one's your guy?


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[Assistant] Who's lined up on somebody he can beat? No offense, probably that guy a little more right now. Uh, Hockinson more the complete player. So, I guess it all depends on what your offense requires. But if I'm a quarterback, I might want fans a little more.


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[Assistant] If he's more likely to beat that 6 defensive back who's on the field or the half safety half linebacker.


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[Assistant] Didn't have enough carries either. Yea, you're right. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Okay. Let's stay with the same idea about the top one or two guys, where they are, and then like a giant perceived divide between them and the next guys. This one's at Linebacker. At Linebacker, it's Devin White and Devin Bush and then everybody else.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're good. We were on the field when, uh, Devin Bush played against Notre Dame. Yes. I mean, that's, that's, uh. That's special. Move, move. Looks like a running back to me when he's out there going sideline to sideline.


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[Assistant] Listen to what you're saying. It took me back to the first time I saw Tom Brady play in the field. I think it was the 2000.


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[Assistant] He was an all-pro quarterback, but there was still this notion out there that he was kind of, uh, self-made, overachieving, super smart, great system, but didn't really, didn't really have an awesome arm or great physical ability. When you're watching on TV, you don't really know. So I'm down on the field. It's a cold day in November. It's windy.


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[Assistant] And he was fitting balls in on 20 yard in routes and skinny post and throwing over the top. I was like, Oh my God, I had no idea that in addition to this great system, he's well coached and he's smart that he could throw the hell out of the football like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, don't listen to all this stuff about how people sell so and so.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's just a product of the system. He's just a smart guy. A lot of these guys can throw the hell out of the ball. No doubt. And it, just like your dad will say, it is so much more important than people think. And if Daniel Jones can't do that, that's why I asked the question about how much could he make up for it. You've gotta be so damn smart if your physical abilities are just okay.


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[Assistant] First time I play catch with your dad, you go out to catch the ball right here, and it literally moves your body back.


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[Assistant] It was first time probably a couple years ago. It was before Notre Dame game. It was me and you and Doug throwing the ball around. Of course I knew all about Doug Flutie, but I always just thought he was just like this playmaking athlete, smart, can flip it here, can dunk it there. Wow!


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[Assistant] We're gonna stay with the quarterback stuff. This is the last, the tenth and final draft narrative. You can either agree or not agree. Not only could four quarterbacks go in round one, but we could see five.


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[Assistant] Let's put to bed the ten draft narratives. That was fun. Nice job. Way to go. You jo- you- you good job.


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[Assistant] So we're gonna welcome in Brian Burns, a defense event from Florida State in a couple of moments here. But before he comes on, can you set the table where you have him ranked, what you like, and what people should know about him before we have a conversation?


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[Assistant] It's interesting too, he's one of the guys, you can only put so much into all these mock drafts, but we have certain people we trust. You see him going anywhere from 4 to like 31 or 33.


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[Assistant] Alright, he's called in. Let's go ahead and welcome in our guest, Brian Burns, Defensive End from Florida State. Brian, we were just talking about you going from 230 to 253. I know you've kept the weight there. What'd you have for breakfast, man? How much you eating?


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[Assistant] Yeah, with all those teams that you mentioned you're going to be seeing in the next few days, I'm just curious which ones before this week have shown the most interest so far.


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[Assistant] When you go on these visits and you spend time with the teams and you mention a lot of them are pretty similar, you've done a number of them already. If you got to the point where you ask questions of them, where you get inside their building, they're like, okay, I want to find some stuff out from these guys.


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[Assistant] First time he hits Tom Brady hard, you know, maybe he can come on and talk to us about it. Without a doubt.


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[Assistant] It was, uh, it's always enlightening to me to talk to these guys as we get closer to the draft about how much time they're spending in other people's facilities. So here we are on a Monday, and I asked him, you know, what are you doing this week with NFL teams? I thought maybe one or two visits. You say six? Six, right. And he knows of in the next week or so?


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[Assistant] Right, and then they get to mini camp and they're kind of worn out at that point with all they've already been through.


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[Assistant] Well, Florida State is not going to show up on any part of our next conversation here. We want to kind of make the transition. National Championship coming up tonight. Virginia against Texas Tech. Thinking about the Red Raiders, has any college...


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[Assistant] Had a better season, just in terms of what they're doing with winning, what their graduates are doing, outdoing other things. Think about Texas Tech.


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[Assistant] They've got Patrick Mahomes. Yes. Cliff Kingsbury. Right. They're playing for the national championship in basketball. Insane. Tonight, can you think of any college who belongs in that conversation with Texas Tech? Okay.


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[Assistant] As long as we're looking at everything. You're right. You're right. That's it. It's there. Okay. Penn State, Saquon Barkley. Yes. Rookie of the Year. Fourth consecutive, uh, wrestling championship. That's eight and nine years. Okay. They're ranked number one in lacrosse right now. Okay.


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[Assistant] This topic came up as something to talk about. I was all excited. I couldn't find really another school that was even close.


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[Assistant] But, it's not like Texas Tech making it to the net.


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[Assistant] But the standard, the expectations weren't so high at Oklahoma. You're right. They have more accomplishments than Texas Tech. It's just that Texas Tech has the variety and once again the element of surprise. Right. By playing Hoops tonight. They cancelled class tonight.


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[Assistant] And tomorrow. Way to go, Texas Tech. That's the right thing to do. We should, we should be doing this live from Lubbock. Oh, that's a party school right there. How would you get there from here though?


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[Assistant] Have you parlayed the fact that you guys were playing in the same field together into calling him to talk about the draft?


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[Assistant] Iowa played Texas Tech in the 2001 or 2002 Alamo Bowl. Cliff Kingsbury was a quarterback. Iowa won on a last second field goal made by a field goal kicker who played in the NFL for 10 years. Who was it?


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[Assistant] A field goal kicker? If I'm gonna take you back to Iowa City, you gotta be up on, you gotta be up on this. Yeaah, yeaah. Yeah, a field goal kicker.


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[Assistant] All right. All right. Other stuff from the weekend. Some leftovers from the weekend. Antonio Brown. What? Social media. Come on. The spite. What do you think? Well, just move on. Right? What are you doing? How does he not have someone on his team being like, you know what, dude, just...


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[Assistant] On social media with his former teammate Juju Smith Schuster. They were going back and forth. Back and forth. Some really


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[Assistant] Emotion. Boy fumbled the whole postseason in the biggest game of the year. Everyone went blind to busy making guys famous. Not enough reality these days. By the, by the way, check the list. That's from Antonio Brown. And then back from Juju Smith Schuster. Uh, keep your emotions off the internet is basically what he's, what he's saying.


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[Assistant] I mean, when he gets to the Steelers camp, how much do you think he's looking up to Antonio Brown? And wants his respect, and then earns it, and he thinks it means something, and then this comes back to him this way. Incredible.


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[Assistant] Another thing that happened this weekend, a little more entertaining, I think. Yea. You like baseball brawls? You know it. Baseball brawl? What? National league style? Old school? Reds? Pirates? Did you see Yaseel Puig? And for everyone with us on YouTube, look at Yaseel Puig. He's got like four pirates holding him back and one of his teammates down in his ankles trying to hold him back.


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[Assistant] Remember when you first came in the league, you was hitting like 600 for like a month or so, and then teams started throwing the curveballs?


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[Assistant] Like, low and away. And you swung at every single one of them for a couple months? Are you saying-


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[Assistant] We've all had these moments with our kids where you're watching, like, National Geographic and, you know, for 10 or 20 minutes, something will pop up about poachers or things like this. And you always just so feel for the animals that, uh, you know, the animals maybe get one back every now and then. So as you said, karma, it's a difficult thing.


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[Assistant] Don't get me started on all this stuff because I am as much that way as you are if not even


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[Assistant] We hit it all? We hit it all? Alright. If we stop talking politics, we might get asked back on Wednesday.


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[Assistant] That's too rough. That's too rough. We're just getting to know each other. On a podcast. So yeaah. That hasn't been awkward at all.


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[Assistant] You're, you're rising up her rankings. Okay, good. Her, her host, her, her analyst rankings, you're still at like eight, you're getting up there though. Good. You're getting up there. Uh, we got a lot to talk about, and as Mike and Chris get uncomfortably close together, if you just do the remaining part of the podcast like that, that'd be good.


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[Assistant] Let's get into the first bit of news here. And this one's not super, super pleasant, but it is what people are talking about with the Kansas City Chiefs. And they went through something last year with Kareem Hunt, where they cut ties after the domestic incident.


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[Assistant] Now, Tariq Hill, we've heard the reports the last couple of weeks coming from the Kansas City Star. Allegations of abuse against, uh, his three year old son. No allegations yet, just being investigated. Being an allegation yet. I don't want to get you sued. Way to clarify. You're new here. I mean, this is why we have a lawyer on the show with us. But now, out of the athletic,


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[Assistant] We do have a story that said, you know, there were some rumblings that even before this investigation,


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[Assistant] That there were trade rumors, some rumbling of trade rumors. The Chiefs were shopping, according to the Athletic, Tyreek Hill. Does that news surprise you at all?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and now this investigation changes everything. It changes the whole dynamics of how you look at Tyree Kale, what they did last year with Kareem Hunt. I feel like they were praised for that, how they handled that, because not every team


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[Assistant] Has been able to handle it and be as decisive as the Chiefs were last year. Uh, the Browns did then come in and bring him in. Eight games he'll miss of the 2019 season. You wonder how the Chiefs will handle this now going forward.


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[Assistant] Uh, Dwayne Haskins for Ohio State. There's some, there's some hype after the pro day. You know, he's got that big arm. And by the way, I feel like pro days are so overblown. I don't know what you guys think. You're absolutely right.


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[Assistant] How was your opinion gonna change that much? I feel like it's probably more valuable for the guys that Haskins was throwing to, the wide receivers than it was for him. But he was out there, he still has a strong arm. I'm pleased to report that. No question. But there was one team...


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[Assistant] You know, maybe talking, there's a little hype around one team and that team has a quarterback and that team is the Oakland Raiders. The Oakland Raiders.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he said to Matt Mayoko there over at NBC Sports Bay Area. Your boy. My boy. He put on a really great show. I thought his receivers put on a show. That's typical for Ohio State. They did a great job. So, I don't think he was like overly proud. I mean, what else is he gonna say? They're usually pretty complimentary, if they're gonna go on record by saying anything at all.


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[Assistant] Well, that's what it's going to be in September. It could be interesting. Well, Derek, I do feel like from being there, Derek Carr does have the respect of a lot of those guys and that he's anti Chris does not swear. He really does not swear at all.


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[Assistant] We're unworthy. What about another quarterback? There's another pro day out there. That's a pretty good guy. Will Greer, who Chris, you've kind of been, you've been down on. Cause there's some people that think he could maybe sneak into the bottom of the first round.


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[Assistant] What do you think, what do you think about the story of the Patriots are maybe poking around looking, looking for a backup. I mean, eventually, eventually they have to find Tom Brady again.


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[Assistant] I want to get into another quarterback that you're actually higher on than, uh, in the draft than Will Greer. But first, we have to, we have to, uh, we got a little...


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[Assistant] Um, Drew Locke. Yes. So he had a pro day. Right. Um, and he is holding a workout with the Broncos. Yep. Uh, coming up here. So some teams are interested. You're much higher on Drew Locke.


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[Assistant] So wouldn't that be, wouldn't that be something, if you did see that front shooter, right? Wouldn't that, if you're a team that likes him, wouldn't you say, wow, he's been pretty successful even with this flaw in his mechanics, and if we can fix that,


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[Assistant] So this is what I learned today. We had a big football summit. We had Roto World in. We had a lot of the football insiders from our regional networks all across the country. And Mike was up there, uh, talking with Mike Tirico. And what I learned about Mike, and you guys already know this, but I learned, huge kiss fan. Huge kiss fan.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's been to over 1,000 concerts in his life. Not in that you rounded up. Eight. Close. Eight. Eight. Eight. But I thought it was, it was, uh, it was interesting. You've, you've really, uh, from an


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[Assistant] Our wife is gone. We're in the sixth row. If you're just walking around and Detroit Rock City comes out, you hear it, what do you do? How do you react? I just smile, I just smile.


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[Assistant] You know what, but the thing is, when you have a know-it-all, and then they actually know it all, it's kind of justified, right?


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[Assistant] I did. So he was in the Colts facility, the defensive lineman, and he had the big, he had the big medicine ball, we're showing it on our YouTube, on YouTube right now, and he throws it, and lefty, and he goes into the wall and creates a huge hole in that wall, and then immediately, my favorite part is he immediately turns around and he's like, oh, what have I done?


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[Assistant] Right? It's like, I'm sorry, sir, we have to cut.


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[Assistant] He goes, I'm gonna start my workout right after this, right after I throw this up 30 times. No questions. Oh, speaking of that, speaking of the bench press 30 times, uh, Notre Dame punter.


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[Assistant] Tyler Newson. Uh huh. Did you see that story? I did see it. At the pro day. Uh, it's a punter. You know, he's a, he's a built guy. You know, I mean, you've followed him. Punters can be extremely athletic. They can be very strong. We're showing video right now. 30 reps for him.


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[Assistant] That's pretty impressive. As far as his NFL prospects, there were a lot of punters drafted last year. We had four punters drafted. There was. I believe it was three or four.


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[Assistant] He was a little inconsistent at Notre Dame, but he can bench press 225, 30 times. He'll have that. Uhm. He'll dominate on the peck deck.


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[Assistant] How about uhm, there's, there's stuff that happens, you know, away from the field. There's stuff that happens on the field. Uh, the Cowboys, Tyrone Crawford.


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[Assistant] Uh, there was a bar fight incident. Yes. For him. I actually haven't seen the video. The video's out there. I haven't seen it either. I believe the video is out there and that's how the story's kinda, kinda gotten out there. And it does kind of, you know, it does shock me and it doesn't shock me. That you have players with a lot on the line. A lot of money on the line. They put a lot of work to do.


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[Assistant] A whole, you know, to get this spot in the NFL and then keeping this spot in the NFL as you know is just as hard as getting there into the NFL. And then to kind of put it in jeopardy.


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[Assistant] Because of things you may do off the field or situations you may get yourself in at a bar. I feel like it, it amazes me.


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[Assistant] We threw this out to you guys on Twitter and we thank you for responding and voting, uh, picking our matchups, picking the seeds they thought were too high, the ones they thought were too low.


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[Assistant] Uh, as far as the voting is concerned, Chris, it looks like our audience went with chalk.


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[Assistant] Patriots moving on as the one seed. Steelers moving on as the eight seed. Browns moving on, although there was some chatter that you were way too high on the Browns with the four seed in the AFC. They thought, their time has not come yet. I got flack for that one. You got a little flack for the Browns.


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[Assistant] We had Steelers 8, Jets 9. Some people thought we had the Steelers too low, and the Jets way too high. We thought we were jumping the gun with the Jets.


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[Assistant] But the thing is though, you see that Steelers Jets match up, 54% of the audience voted for the Steelers, so that means the Jets are 46%.


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[Assistant] Blame him, send all bad tweets. You know what, I'll admit, I was too low on the bills. Yes. I should have had the bills higher. That's okay, don't worry. That was bad. Yeaah. Because, when we were doing the podcast, it goes, bills 14, and then I listed a whole bunch of really good things they'd done in the off season. Right. But then I kept them at 14.


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[Assistant] The two that I saw, the most commented ones in your top seeds are Bears 1, Rams 2, Eagles 3, and then Saints 4. People thought the Eagles were way too high. They think you're clinging on to what the Eagles were and not what they're going to be.


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[Assistant] In the 8-9 matchup, we did have our only upset picked by our listeners too unbuttoned. 49ers over the Vikings, 9 over the 8.


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[Assistant] If you were to pick a team, which team would you pick?


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[Assistant] If I were to pick a team. You have Duke up there, you have North Carolina, you have Gonzaga. Right. Uh, you have Virginia. Right, no.


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[Assistant] I didn't pick Duke. I picked, uh, Tennessee to win it. Okay. Uhm, I don't really know why. Why? But, but, uhm, the reason I didn't pick Duke is because I felt like... Everybody? Like 90, 90% of people are gonna pick Duke.


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[Assistant] Sims unbuttoned NFC and AFC brackets. Let's get some, let's get some, uh, some upsets. We'll reveal it next Thursday, what you guys vote. I want some upsets though. Like, like Seahawks over the Eagles. Like I think that's intriguing. Packers maybe over the Rams. Aaron Rodgers over the Rams.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then we played the song, right? And we said, what would you do if we played the song? He'd like smile and bob my head. He did bob his head a little bit, right? He got into it.


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[Assistant] The only unwritten rules in football are basically don't get involved in another man's contract dispute. Don't talk about anybody's mama and don't talk about anybody's wife. They might as well write


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[Assistant] We're gonna have a fun podcast. We got Ask Me Anything. Uh, Liam's gonna read off questions. We're gonna hit that. We're gonna hit a few other things. I was in Buffalo yesterday with Josh Allen. That was cool. We'll have that kind of pop out next week at some point. Not sure what podcast it'll be. So, uh, all on the up and up. And then we got... How was the weather in Buffalo? It was like...


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[Assistant] A little windy, a little cooler than here, and they're like two weeks behind. Okay. That's the first thing I noticed. You know how you notice like as you continue to go north, like the leaves are popping out less and less, and I wanted to be like, they're like two weeks where we were here.


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[Assistant] I'm rooting for Boston, because I want them just to embarrass the rest of the country at this point, and win three out of the four titles. Alright, here's one thing I wanted to ask you, just totally off the cuff here, because this happened today on PFT, where we saw a little clip of Tom Hanks and Andrew Luck together, okay?


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[Assistant] Any moment stand out in your brain that made you nervous in your career at this point? Talking to anybody, anything like that?


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[Assistant] The most nervous I ever got in my life. 2006, the week I lose my spleen, actually, oddly enough, George Bush came to practice in Tampa. So I knew George a little bit from my days at Texas because he was the governor there when he was running for president. So I knew him a little bit, but he comes to Tampa and


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[Assistant] They wanted to have a catch on the field, a little bit of a PR for the Bucks and the president who's in the area. So I had to have a catch with the team watching. Wow. And I was about as nervous as I ever was because I wasn't sure how to throw the football either.


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[Assistant] I was like I don't want to throw it too hard and like bust the president and make him look bad.


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[Assistant] But yet I don't want to throw these like ugly wobbler lobby balls over to him too. It went good. We had a good talk. We had fun. He's hilarious. I bet he can throw it. He can. He's a good athlete. He's one of those guys as much as we've always like people had made fun of him for his public speaking. When he was in a comfortable setting, he was an amazing communicator.