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[Assistant] And the year that they won the Super Bowl, which was 2000, uh, 2012 season, right? So Joe Flacker's 2012 season, he completed less than 60% of his passes. Didn't even throw for 4,000 passing yards. This was not somebody who


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[Assistant] The bigger takeaway here is not even the court is the Domingo Ryan thing because.


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[Assistant] Derek Henry, who came into this game, averaging 115 rushing yards per game against the Houston Texans in his career, became the first player in NFL history to have 20 touches and less than 15 yards from scrimmage.


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[Assistant] He had 16 carries for nine yards. Derek Henry against the Texans. Four catches for one yard with a long of three. The Texas did an incredible job defensively stuffing


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[Assistant] Derrick Henry and shutting down Derrick Henry. He averaged 7.1 yards per rush in his previous five games against the Texans. He averaged 0.6 this time around. In his previous five games, he averaged 203.6 yards per game against the Texas. He had nine, 10 rushing touchdowns in those five games, zero in this one.


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[Assistant] Demi- and they talked about on the broadcast, Demiqa Ryan's wanted to


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[Assistant] Like lock up the front and forced Eric Henry to get horizontal and try to get around the edge. And they did just that Malik Collins was a.


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[Assistant] Dominant force on the interior. Uh, the, the, the guys in the back end were covering really well for the Texans, you know, and they, they sacked Will Levis, I think seven times.


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[Assistant] He was bruised and battered. And then Derek Singletary, I mean, Devon Singletary, excuse me. 26 carries, 121 yards and could have had a walk off touchdown and some more yardage, but it was called back because of holding Noah Brown stepped up in a big way with the limited weapons. I think it's a real testament.


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[Assistant] Look, that sounds like me. Uh, Wilson, speaking of apologizing for Jake Browning, do you intend to, uh, hold Rick Spielman's feet to the fire and grill him on with the first pick on, on, uh, you guys have a Monday? You have a Monday show, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I believe Rick has said he doesn't want to get back into that, into that game because he enjoys his life outside of football now, like, you know, during the media stuff.


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[Assistant] Podcasting with you, which is weird that he likes that, but they're near traveling around the country during the off season with you, uh, playing a lot of golf, but man, they hand you the judge. They hit you the Justin Herbert job. I don't know. I think you've got to consider it. Um, yeah, Jake Bradley made it sound like.


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[Assistant] Jacksonville first, of course, Colts second, Texas third. I agree with that as well. Jags are at the Buccaneers now, according to the upside, if they lose that game.


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[Assistant] They suddenly have a 40% chance to win the division.


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[Assistant] But you've also got to consider what happens with the Colts who are at the Falcons. Um, you know, if they lose their 30% and then the Texans who are hosting the Browns who can.


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[Assistant] That's right. The coast of Texas playing wiki team. So only one of them breach can win the division. Um,


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[Assistant] The, the Jaguars get the Panthers at home in, in week 17 and then a week 18 at the Titans. Now that might seem like an easier game, but I mean, the Titans will have the Jaguars passive. It's not very good. We'll have us to be able to swing the ball. And I think we'll see what is next.


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[Assistant] I just think Mike Vrabel will hype that team up no matter what the record is because the Jaguars knocked the Titans out of the playoffs last year.


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[Assistant] Then, and then all the other ASU South teams went out.


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[Assistant] The Texans Colts will be Colts win, Jaguars win the division, Texans win, Texans win the division. That would be insane.


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[Assistant] He literally, he literally told you Dak got one before, but he only got one vote. He didn't finish in the top three or top three, top three. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Nah, I'm not worried about the lions on the road. They've got an incredible, insane fan base. They have wins against the chiefs on the road this year. They went against the Packers on the road, but you never see him win at Lambo field. They go to Tampa and when the fans have been traveling like crazy, they're one of what's that?


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[Assistant] Baltimore wasn't so stalled to Baltimore. No doubt about it. I mean, it's not, I'm not, I mean, not glossing over it. Um, they go down to New Orleans and take care of business too. And they lose in Chicago by two scores. I think again, like taking a macro perspective about this lion's team is that.


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[Assistant] When two close games coming out of there by to get to eight and two, there are two and two since then. And I think.


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[Assistant] They've done a really good job holding steady while being above, punching above their weight and being better than people thought. Even the biggest lions optimists thought they would. And they've drawn some tougher matchups. Like the Bears are kind of a good team now. The Bears are not a pusher.


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[Assistant] The Packers have gotten a lot better in the second half of the season at times.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, they, they got the, what the Chargers best effort of the year. It feels like, uh, so I am not, I am.


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[Assistant] Still very bullish on the lions and think that if.


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[Assistant] Things break their way seeding wise that they could appear in the NSC championship game.


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[Assistant] I think they probably have to hope that they're hosting and that they are not going to San Francisco because it is difficult to see them beating San Francisco in the title game.


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[Assistant] He's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he has not been the same guy he was during the first half of the season during the second half of the season so far.


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[Assistant] They don't have to play outdoors the rest of the year either.


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[Assistant] Enormous because if the lions went out and I mean like they're going to have to win out to get the two seed, but it just basically means like beat the Vikings twice and take her, go down to Dallas and beat the Cowboys. And I think you need to do that to show, uh, it would be a 50%


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[Assistant] Probability swing of getting the number two seed 40% of the Eagles win 90% of getting it at the Seahawks win.


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[Assistant] If you're, if you're, if you're hyping up, like there need to be at home, then yeah.


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[Assistant] Cause if you get two seed, you get two home games. As long as you win the wild card round.


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[Assistant] And I think, I think why I just think you can't bank on.


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[Assistant] Well, I guess actually if you beat the Lions twice, then the li- the Rams are more likely to be the sixth seed than the- like if you went out to get the two seed, you're probably not going to get- you're more likely to get the Vikings than you are the Rams. Because you played the Vikings twice.


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[Assistant] It all goes head to head before it goes division or conference record or before it goes conference record. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, Buffalo is at 71% to make the playoffs now according to the upshot. So I'm putting Buffalo in. They've got the chargers and the Patriots next. Like if they lose to one of the, if they lose to the charts and stick or Bailey's happy, then they, they don't then all the last three weeks have really been a waste of everyone's time.


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[Assistant] I don't think they will. I think they'll come out firing. I think they are in playoff mode. So, and then they get, then I think Miami is going to lose the next two weeks. I think the bills, I think the bills are going to win the division. Miami is going to be a wild card.


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[Assistant] There's a possibility Miami missed the playoffs, but no, no, no, Miami can't miss now that they, that they beat the Jets. Sorry.


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[Assistant] And then you have Houston, Indy playing or Houston and Indy playing each other in week 18. So you would think only one of those teams gets in with the Bengals playing. Do they have to play? I think they'll beat this. I think they'll beat the Steelers losing the chiefs and.


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[Assistant] Oh, beat the Browns who are resting their players here. No, the Browns might not be rest of the place. He's a player for the one seed. I'll say the Browns bangles and bills because I like the alliteration. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And we're noting I had the Texans. Actually, I'll probably go to a Bill's bills.


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[Assistant] I'm going to the bills with a division. So my wildcard teams will be Miami or Cleveland, Miami, Houston.


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[Assistant] You could make the case that the Saints could get in, but look at the schedule. Saints at Rams next week. That is basically a playoff. Like that is essentially like a play in game for the playoffs with this few weeks left. Of course, the Seahawks are getting Philly on Monday night.


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[Assistant] I was like, questionable play. That's a human.


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[Assistant] A season altering illness for Jalen hurts if he can't go and the Seahawks can steal that that game. It does feel like Green Bay, even though they're at Carolina, like let it slip away by losing to Tampa Bay. I think the box of Baker Mayfield looked at the best team. I think that the four seed the Rams are going to beat the Saints.


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[Assistant] And the Vikings are going to lose to the lions. So the Rams are going to jump up to the sixth seed, which I think they'll end up getting.


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[Assistant] And then I have a hard time with Minnesota. I don't see Dan Campbell resting a ton of his guys in week 18.


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[Assistant] They're now at 63% to win the division saints, 31% Falcons, 6%. You just can't lose that game. If you're the Falcons, it's a, it's just, it's a horrific loss saints. I mean the season on the line, but so is the Rams when they go to, when they go to Los Angeles next week, I'll take the bucks. Baker's playing really well. He's not.


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[Assistant] Being asked to do too much. It's sort of reminiscent of, but he, but he's like making plays when he has to and making big throws where he needs to and playing within the offense. And it is, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] It's, it's been like a kind of a revelation. I mean, I think


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[Assistant] I guess the, Dave, Dave Canales, by the way, awesome job with the offense in Tampa Bay so far this year. Rashad white is a stud. Like having fun team.


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[Assistant] I'll go first and I'm gonna stick with the guy that we just mentioned. The bank show, baby!


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[Assistant] I believe the stat may be that he is the first.


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[Assistant] You know, you did like repeat exactly what I said about Derek Henry. Yeah, that's right. Um, yeah, I checked out was the Google and some stuff where you were talking.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, big show. I'll, uh, I'll take big shows. My MVP, the Prince of VP.


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[Assistant] The other thing was asked about this recently and said, he goes, no, no, no, you just need to be too specialized these days to be able to do both things.


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[Assistant] He gave this lengthy 11 minute answer when Ben Volant asked him about saving roster spots for placeholders and punters and kickers and all that stuff.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. He was like, do you think like my time would be like, I'm done here. I want to go to Chargers. I don't, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Pittsburgh outgain since he by nearly 200 yards, only one by six. So it didn't look like as much of a blowout as it was in the stat.


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[Assistant] Line there. Pittsburgh was minus two in that game and the last three weeks of course have been diametric opposites, three wins for Cincy.


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[Assistant] Taco Browning is being a potentially NFL starting caliber quarterback.


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[Assistant] And Pittsburgh had those three bad losses, two of them to two and ten, two and ten teams. So I understand there not being a lot of trust in them, but.


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[Assistant] That has swung the line by about eight points when considering home field advantage, and that is just too much with the Sinzi injuries, not just from our chase, but DJ Reader at Defensive Tackle.


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[Assistant] And that's gonna open things up for the Pittsburgh run game. That means Mason Rudolph isn't gonna have to do as much with his arm.


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[Assistant] I think the Pittsburgh defense is going to do enough like they did in that week 12 game.


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[Assistant] The win there with Cincinnati's defense tied for lasting yards per play just got lit up by Nick Mullins and Ty Chandler. So I don't think it's, it's, it's, you know, um, expecting too much to think that the Pittsburgh running game, which has been pretty solid at times and Mason Rudolph can get something done here. So I got Pittsburgh plus two and a half best bet. Of course, if you can get a line.


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[Assistant] In that 1.5 to 2.5 range, perfect to tease this one up as well.


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[Assistant] In one league with those guys, Eagles were available, and that's Heath's number one, you know, defense, and I'm playing Heath, so I made sure that was the waiver claim I put in above all, because I have, because I'm ahead of Heath, and Heath doesn't have, didn't have a great defense in his lineup. So even though I had the 49ers defense, I'm like, snatch that, you know, and luckily somebody else snatched the Jets ahead of, ahead of me, so uhm, I think this is really a good week to probably go look at the waiver wiring.


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[Assistant] A lot of points, uhm, this definitely feels like a let down spot. I mean, if they're trying, they can name their score against this awful defense, but I don't know if they're up for it after that run of Philly, KC, Dallas.


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[Assistant] From here on out, Buffalo's defense more vulnerable versus the run, but the Chargers offense just 27th in yards per rush.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which the look ahead was nine and a half years, like you said, opened around the 13 and a half area. People bought it down based, I think, off of the fact that the look ahead was so low.


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[Assistant] And that the coach got fired, and we see this bump where, um, you know, once a coach is fired, uh, you, you might have a short-term value bump for some of these teams. And I think a lot of people realize that Staley, uh, might have lost the locker room there. So maybe we see them come out and play a little harder, um, here and keep it, keep it close, I think, if it does.


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[Assistant] I mean, I could see Buffalo running away with the lead and winning a 27-13 type of game, but I could also see.


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[Assistant] Let me, can I follow some real quick with, with Alex? So I noticed one guy on there is not on there is James Cook and coming off this massive game that I was about to put James Cook in over rushing prop. Then I got to thinking if this is a blowout, like it's projected.


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[Assistant] But now with those indie offensive weapons trending up, with Pittman practicing, with Taylor practicing.


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[Assistant] You know, I think there might be a little bit of value here on Indy, even though Atlanta's defense very good, 17 yards for play, third on third down, second in the red zone. We'll see if they can get healthier on their defensive line. They're going to need it against this Indy run game. And we know that Atlanta just plays awesome at home and terrible on the road. So this is the spot where if you're going to back them, you want to back them.


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[Assistant] I kind of want to see who's ruled out or questionable on both defensive lines that they're playing because there's some key injuries there. Jonathan Hankins is out on the Dallas line. It's going to be easier for HN. And we saw the injuries that the Atlanta, um, often defensive line has been dealing with. So.


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[Assistant] I think higher touchdown potential for Pittman either way though. So I think that's kind of your, your ceiling play there.


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[Assistant] We finally got their second win of the season without scoring a touchdown. So, you know, it's, it's a great thing for them to put a win on the ledger there, but it's not like they played well. Carolina offense has had 200 plus net pass yards in just one of Bryce Young's 13 starts. 200 plus net yards.


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[Assistant] In passing, it has to be like the baseline for, for a competent offense. And they just cannot get there. They've done it once. They've had just six offensive touchdowns since their week seven bye.


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[Assistant] But I say it every week, the Carolina defense continues to shine. They're now eighth in yards for play.


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[Assistant] They've given up 253 yards per game since their week 7 buy.


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[Assistant] That would lead the league if they did it over the full season. 261 leads the league right now. They're playing like a...


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[Assistant] Maybe the line goes up if Green Bay gets some good injury news. I've seen some fives out there. Uhm, I would not be comfortable playing them higher than this. If you're going to play them, I make the line around four and I think the under is the way to look. So best bet here for me is under 37 and a half. Just going to be another Carolina game where there's not that many points worth.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Houston won on a run game in defense last week with Stroud out. They're gonna have to do that again here. Uhm, so I don't think you can expect anything about Case Keenum against this defense, even though we know this defense does not play well on the road. They're allowing more than 30 points per game on the road.


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[Assistant] But I do like the matchup. If Nikko Collins is out, Noah Brown was fine as a wide receiver one, but it was a really good matchup against Tennessee. That is a pass funnel as we know. The offense needs Collins back. I believe he is trending toward playing, though I think he did come back to practice, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we'll keep an eye out on that. I like Houston's chances better if he plays. Cleveland's offense definitely stepping up with Flacco, but they have to avoid turnovers. That was the issue last week.


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[Assistant] Houston's defense allowed just 3.2 yards to play against Tennessee, a very strong game from them, kind of out of nowhere, because they're typically pretty bad against the pass. So I think Flecha could throw it on them. I did like Cleveland early in the week, I should have jumped on it, expecting that that Stroud injury might be a multi-week injury.


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[Assistant] How he banged his head on the, uh, the turf there, but at this number, probably a stay away from me. I don't really want to lay two and a half with the Browns on the road, but I just can't count on Houston to score a 10. If I'm going to play this game, I almost put this in as a best bet for us. I go to the Houston team total under 19 and a half. I just don't think Houston is going to get to 20.


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[Assistant] We want to see Collins availability before making that determination because we do know that Browns can struggle on the road.


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[Assistant] Sorry, if I trust the Lions defense, I mean, they allowed less than 26 points for the first time since our week nine by last week. Pass offense from Minnesota, I think it'd have success with Mullen. So on the road, I'm not sure I trust Detroit's defense. I think it could be an over game back and forth. Um, I kind of like going over 46 and a half and it feels like it's just going to land on the three and it's going to be a push.


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[Assistant] All right, so we'll go for it. We'll take the New England Patriots at plus 235. This is a very low scoring total. We'll get into the game in a second, 34 and a half. Denver's defense sets up well to, for New England to have some success. All they're going to have to do is run the ball against this awful, awful rush defense, um, and not have Bailey Zappi do too much. And we know how good that


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[Assistant] If Zach Wilson is out with a concussion, I can't really trust the Jets to score points even against a 32nd ring pass defense here. I'm not trusting Trevor Simeon to move the ball a ton, even though Washington has a lot of multiple touchdowns in 13 straight.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think if they're going to cover, they're going to need to pick six. Washington has thrown four pick sixes this year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but even, so throw all that out, even if the Jets offense can score points against this bad Washington defense, I don't see how Washington helps push this game over. It's at 37.5 right now. My best bet's going under that 37.5. I don't, I don't see how Washington scores enough points to keep, to get that total anywhere near the over.


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[Assistant] Plenty of two and a halfs out there, like even on the site that I used to monitor all the books, it still says two and a half. Four fandals, so it must adjust move, but definitely to get it to two and a half, I don't really like it at three.


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[Assistant] They played a sequence of the Rams, 49ers, Cowboys, 49ers again, and then Philly.


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[Assistant] So the defense should finally play better coming out of that stretch, and they actually play pretty well against Philly, and that was without Jamal Adams, Devon Witherspoon. Hertz had his worst passing game of the year. I can't imagine what they're going to do to Tennessee, uhm, no matter who's at quarterback. Could be Will Levis, uhm, but if he can't go, it's going to be Ryan Tannehill.


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[Assistant] No matter who's that quarterback and it's looking like it might be Geno Smith, so that deserves an upgrade too.


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[Assistant] Tennessee, we don't know what they're going to do because they're not used to being out of a playoff race under Mike Grable. They're always right there to the end or they're there in the playoffs. So I'm interested to see if this team shows up for these last few weeks.


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[Assistant] Interesting, uh, futures play to make here is that, um, we see the Indy injuries trending upward with, with Pittman looking like he'll play, Taylor looking like he'll play. Now it looks like Stroud is not going to play for Houston. And we see this flying trending down for the Jaguars, Trevor Lawrence, if he doesn't play, that's swinging enough where you want to go jump on the Colts in your divisional.


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[Assistant] So uhm, so yeaah, nothing in this game really for me. Uhm, even if Florence plays, I think in the line flips back, I think that line's probably a little too high, so I do agree with the play on Tampa Bay here.


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[Assistant] And I think Tampa Bay qualifies at this point and they can get it done with the pass and not have to rely on the run that much. So if I'm going to lean anywhere, it's going to be Tampa at two and a half, which is where it's moved now. I'm probably not playing it. Um, but, but yeah, I would look to maybe Colts, you know, to the divisional futures there if you want to do anything related to this game.


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[Assistant] So uhm, if you want to just take them, it is a lot of juice. I think that the value to take them was a few weeks ago and predicting this type of run from them since they did look like the best team. Uhm, so you're probably not getting the good value there. I'd probably look for value in other places, not that division, so I don't see any of the other teams stepping up.


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[Assistant] I expect Chicago to put up some points here and I expect their defense to shut it down. I mean, their elite versus the run. How Cleveland at 29 rush yards can take away the one offensive strength of Arizona that Katie's talking about with Connor.


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[Assistant] And Arizona is 29,000 yards per pass and they just struggled to have success through the year against San Francisco, even with the high score to fight despite the San Francisco defense being pretty beat up and they were playing in catch up mode and they still couldn't do anything. So I would look to play the Bears. I almost put it as a best bet and hit four and a half because I do think the line should be like six and a half.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but because the value in the market wasn't there, everybody else has four, and there is some three and a halfs, uhm, available, you know, play it at those numbers, don't play it at four and a half.


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[Assistant] Key thing here is the big injuries on both offensive lines. It sounds like Zach Martin is going to be okay. We'll keep an eye on him in practice reports. Not sure about the state of the Miami offensive line, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, on Thursday for a little bit. I don't think it's still available there now. I lost my chance because I would have, I would have taken the Miami Dolphins at Pickham at home, um, and hope the best for the injuries. But, uh, if the line is going to be any higher than that, probably just a stay away. Maybe look at the over if I, if I'm okay with the injury reports, um, entire weeks back and the Dolphins don't look as bad as they looked early in the week.


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[Assistant] But it feels like I go either way. So I mean, even though I was like at money and money line, if I'm getting minus one 10 on the dolphins.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if it's a Pick'em, I like them, but I couldn't really talk you out of taking the Cowboys. I think you can go either way. And if you can, if you have Cowboys plus one and a half available, definitely a good Teaser team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, even though my power ratings say it should be a little higher and Denver should be seven and a half, I might be a little too high on my Denver rating. They got steamrolled last week by Detroit and Detroit was in a good spot at home and you can argue that Denver is in a good spot at home now against a bad team.


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[Assistant] But that Patriots defense, 15 yards per play, largely effective against the Chiefs despite the final score.


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[Assistant] Denver has topped 300 yards just once in the last seven games. They typically play in that 280 to 300, 320 yards type of offense. And that just isn't conducive to me to winning a game.


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[Assistant] 30 second in yards per, you know, versus the run, you know, yards per rush allowed. So that lines up well with what New England wants to do, just pound the ball with Zeke.


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[Assistant] If he's back and then go play defense and it's going to be a low scoring game and don't let Denver get to 20. Um, so I think it's going to be one of those type of ugly games. Everybody's not going to be watching it because they're going to be, you know, with family doing their presence and everything on Christmas Eve and Denver can sneak.


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[Assistant] A 10-point line in Vegas a few weeks ago and they, as you mentioned, they covered. So why is it only 10 here? You know, this is a team that got back on track against a very good defense against New England last week.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and you figure that they should be able to have, do whatever they want to do against Las Vegas.


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[Assistant] I just can't see Vegas going out and scoring even 17 points in this game. And that's typically like their ceiling when they're not playing teams like the Chargers when they, when they rolled up last week.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I think it's going to be a come down spot here for Vegas. The Chiefs defense can create some short fields for the Chiefs offense. Uhm, and they need to find a rhythm going into the playoffs. I know they've kind of been sleepwalking, just expecting to win that division. But now is the time to kind of get it going and get in the rhythm because, you know, you're not going to get that by this year. It doesn't look like.


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[Assistant] So, uh, you need to be ready to go once week 19 hits, um, in mid-January. So my Vegas rating might be slightly too high, I think. I mean, I'm going to need to let Justin down a little bit. And I would still make this line 10 and a half. I'm just not interested in playing the Chiefs at this number. I do think you're right. The people are going to want to play the Raiders and it might come down a little bit. If he has a single digits, I might look to the Chiefs.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I have a best bet at 11 and a half when we finalized our lines. I actually took it at 10 and a half on sports line on Tuesday. Uhm, coming out of that Seattle game. I didn't care that they lost that game. This is, they just had a brutal schedule. Uhm, and uhm, you know, they're finally done with it. They get the Giants twice in Arizona from here on out. Great bounce back spot.


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[Assistant] That positive Giants run came crashing down against the Saints defense. That's been beatable, particularly against the run, and they couldn't do anything there.


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[Assistant] Since they played Dallas and Dallas scored 49 points and had 640 yards of offense. This could be a major game.


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[Assistant] Pushing it up and getting it where it needs to be at 13 and a half. Probably just stay away for the people listening to this if 13 and a half is in the market. Uhm, but I did like it when it was 10 and a half, 11 and a half early in the week.


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[Assistant] Yeah, do it this week too, because Baltimore's defense, they're first 10 yards per play, but the Rams showed a couple of weeks ago, they might not be as good as the metrics say. They've had a pretty easy schedule most of the year. And then they went out and gave up five and a half yards per play to Jacksonville. And this was Trevor Lawrence not being at a hundred percent in that game even before, you know, he obviously suffered a concussion at the end of the game is now.


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[Assistant] They'll get their points and the team total, you're getting it a little bit lower than you have been in recent weeks because of the matchup. So I think it's a good look to play it here. I probably will be taking it if I can get a good number like this. Uhm, that beat up San Francisco demons had their first bad game in a while at Arizona.


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[Assistant] We'll see the, the injury report here. If they're healthier, I think they can cover this number. I think they should probably be.


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[Assistant] Six point favorites at home against anyone right now. And it looks like the market is even giving us some fives and could potentially dip to four and a half at some point. And so I just, the 49ers are probably a good value against the Ravens and against really anybody at that line at home. So that's why I'm going to be looking to play their side. If I need a little more value in it, I'm probably looking to play their team total as long as it doesn't get out of hand.


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[Assistant] I am taking Pittsburgh plus two and a half, the Packers Panthers game to go under 37 and a half, the Commander's Jets game to go under 37 and a half.


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[Assistant] The Seahawks minus two and a half, the Patriots plus six and a half, and the Eagles minus eleven and a half.


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[Assistant] I can go ahead and read Alex's too. Alex has taken Josh Allen over one and a half pass touchdowns, Gabe Davis over 30 and a half receiving yards, Rashad White under 73 and a half rush yards, Jalen Hertz over one and a half pass touchdowns, and AJ Brown over 72 and a half receiving yards.


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[Assistant] This thing has been on edge for over a month now. It seems like Tepper and Rike were never on the same page. And this was the inevitable. This was gonna how it was gonna end. Whether it was in November, whether it was at the end of the season. It seemed like this house of cards was gonna fall and end with Frank Rike being fired. And


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[Assistant] Look, if you're Tepper, I absolutely understand the frustration. You're sitting there, uh, for the past, what, this, the whole entire month of November.


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[Assistant] The Carolina Panthers did not score more than 14 points. They didn't even hit the 14 point arc.


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[Assistant] For an entire month. Imagine the NFL team not scoring 14 points for an entire month.


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[Assistant] So I think you just have Tepper sitting back there getting frustrated and the Patriots scored 17, uh, in November, which is more than the, the Panthers scored.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yeaah, so I just think that you have an owner who is super rich, used to getting what he wants, used to making smart investments and seeing them pay off immediately, and this one blew up in his face. And Brinton, I mean, you're the Panther's expert here, so...


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[Assistant] I'll defer to you, but I feel like the reason this thing felt like it was going to blow up just all goes back to the draft with the Bryce Young versus CJ Stroud. They weren't on the same page and from there it's just been downhill and this breakup was going to happen.


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[Assistant] You're a very bad team. A quarterback's not necessarily gonna help you, but the Panthers weren't the worst team. They traded up from the middle of the draft to get to the first pick. And I think Tepper thought, all right, this is gonna put us over the edge. We've got a quarterback. We've got Frank Reich. We're not in a great division. There is no reason we can't be competitive. And again,


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[Assistant] It is like the Houston Texans are the opposite of.


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[Assistant] The Panthers where they brought a new coach, they drafted a new quarterback, and now that team's competing for a playoff spot in their first year.


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[Assistant] Whereas the Panthers are kind of toiling away, and you kind of look at Frank Reich. He was brought in because he's an offensive coach. And we mentioned the points thing, how the, the Panthers haven't even scored 14 points in the month of November.


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[Assistant] Well, you also look at what Bryce Young has done. He's averaging 5.4 yards per attempt. That is the lowest in the NFL. To put that in perspective, Brock Purdy


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[Assistant] is averaging more than nine yards per attempt. He is almost double Brock Purdy. The last pick in the draft is averaging almost twice as many yards per throw as Bryce Young, the number one overall pick in the draft. You have the Panthers averaging under 190 pass yards per game. They rank


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[Assistant] Frank Reich is, uh, Chris Carter would say is the fall guy here. And now you bring in a new coach and if he can't fix Bryce Young, that's when you have this problem. So if the next coach next year can't make Bryce Young successful, that's when Tepper's gonna have to look in the mirror and be like, Oh, maybe I messed this one up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's, I mean, that's it. That's the, the Bryce Young thing is the one cause you have to come in and you have to say, all right, I am going to turn Bryce Young into a superstar. I'm going to make the Panthers a playoff contender and we are going to win games. That's the speech you have to give David Tepper cause that's what he wants to hear.


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[Assistant] Is that you're going to win right away. And I don't know who, I mean, someone's going to take a shot because NFL had coaching job and you get a five year or four year guaranteed contract depending on, uh,


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[Assistant] Well, your agent can get you, so yeaah, someone is obviously going to take this job even if it's going to be tough to succeed. And you know, real quick on Frank Reich, it is crazy.


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[Assistant] What his career arc has been now. I mean, this is a guy who was the offensive coordinator for the Super Bowl winning Eagles, gets hired by the Colts, gets stuck with Andrew Luck retiring and now here we are and he has been fired twice in less than 13 months. I mean, that is absolutely mind boggling.


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[Assistant] He was, he was the key backup for the bills during, uh,


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[Assistant] I mean, it's not good. So it's tough on him. Who knows where he goes from here. And now the thing is when we write these stories going forward about like shortest NFL coaching tenures.


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[Assistant] You look back to last year and who was the laughing stock in the NFL, Nathaniel Hackett and the Broncos. Frank Reich didn't even last as long as Nathaniel Hackett. And then you go back two years. Yeah. And you go to Urban Meyer.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, here's the thing with David Tepper is that I could see him going one of two ways. And number one is he's David Tepper. He has a ton of money. Hey, why don't I make a gigantic splash and just get out a blank check and


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[Assistant] I think when you think of big splashes, it would be calling Jim Harbaugh at Michigan and trying to convince him to go to Carolina. I don't know if that would work, but that seems like Tepper, seems like kind of the Mark Davis personality type in the sense where


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[Assistant] The more money I spend, the bigger name I bring in, that will help me win more. So, uh, and you know, Jim Harbaugh did spend one NFL season with the Panthers so he has been in Charlotte before.


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[Assistant] Uh, but then I think the more realistic thing is you look at an offensive coach, you know, you just mentioned it's going to be getting Bryce Young right, getting a better offense in there, an offense that works with Bryce Young. And so.


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[Assistant] I think we know the obvious ones, probably Ben Johnson with the Lions, I wouldn't be surprised if the Lions call him, uh, Brian Johnson, so the Johnson and Johnson's, Brian Johnson, the offense coordinator for the Eagles, I wouldn't be surprised if the Panthers, the Panthers end up reaching out to him, uh,


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[Assistant] One other guy who was obviously, I'm a big fan of is Frank Smith, the offense coordinator for the Dolphins, Miami, Ohio graduate, uh, got my Miami shout out and before Bryn's guys NC State shout out then.


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[Assistant] Uh, but yeaah, you look at what Miami's been doing and they've kind of revolutionized what offenses are doing down there and we've seen teams already copycatting them this year and so I think Frank Smith is someone else who could get a phone call.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely not a guarantee. And so, the other interesting thing about Harbaugh too is that, remember, when he got hired by the 49ers,


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[Assistant] He did not have any NFL coaching experience, head coaching experience. He took over for a bad 49ers team. They had almost zero expectations during his first year in 2011, and he took them to the NFC title game. And then he took them to the NFC title game for three straight years before getting run out of town, uh, by the front office. So.


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[Assistant] Uh, that definitely is interesting. I think if the Panthers, I think we both agree that they'd probably go with an offensive coach, but if they do look defensively, maybe Tepper says, you know what? I tried the Frank Reich thing. It didn't work. Although he did have Ron Rivera, so he does know what it's like to have. But he's never hired a defensive coach. Right. So maybe, maybe.


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[Assistant] I think Matt Ruhl falls under the umbrella of you pull from college at what you already mentioned about why he might not hire Diablo Sweeney because he doesn't want to go back to the college route because there's a completely different element between coaching college and coaching in the NFL. You are working nonstop. I mean, NFL coaches work nonstop, but there's no downtime for a college coach.


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[Assistant] Cause when you're not coaching, you're recruiting, when you're not recruiting, you're glad handing alumni. And when you're not doing that, it's already time for spring football. It's just, it's nonstop.


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[Assistant] So the only two defensive names I'll throw out, Dan Quinn obviously has been having tremendous success, knows the division inside and out.


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[Assistant] Uh, and another offense quarter name we didn't name, uh, Eric Pienaimi could, you know, he's always tossed in there, but you have a former NFL player who has done okay in Washington.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, you're the Sam Howell, you're the president of the Sam Howell fan club, so if you think the enemy has turned him around up, that Tepper would say, huh, maybe he can do the same thing with, like, Young.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I don't think he would get the job. I think we probably touched on candidates have the best shot, but you know what? Tepper could do anything. Maybe he calls.


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[Assistant] He's going to have his secretary call you to review every point you make. Then you guys are going to have a friendly chat. And he's like, you know what, Will? Why don't you coach Carolina?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think you just named a lot of good reasons why Carolina is-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, that's it. I mean, there's nothing.


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[Assistant] When you look at the future, when you look in your crystal ball and you're a Panthers fan and thinking, hmm, when can we be competitive again? The answer doesn't seem like it's anytime soon. And that's what you'd never want.


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[Assistant] The NFL was built on parity where every team has a shot to win it all every year and it does not seem like the Panthers, uh, it's not a conversation the Panthers are going to be in for the next at least two years.


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[Assistant] Killing your chances to build a better team in the future.


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[Assistant] Okay. I always make that mistake too.


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[Assistant] Uh, Wednesday usually get the initial injury report because that's when guys practice for the first time during the week. So, uh, that's, that gives you a little bit of.


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[Assistant] You gotta look at it, right? 21 day window. If you look at the three games the Jets have in that 21, uh, game window, right? They have the Falcons at home this week, Texans at home the following week, but it's that third game, right?


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[Assistant] At the Miami Dolphins on that third game, like that would be the game. Now, again, Rogers could be elevated and come back a week after that, but that would be the game. I think a lot of people are circling. I think he even came out and said, uh, end of December is where his goal was to potentially come back. He wanted to start practicing around this time.


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[Assistant] But just from what we've seen from the offense and it being anemic as it is, I mean, will the Jets be able to squeak out three in a row? Cause that's the only way it makes sense for Rogers to come back because if they do win three in a row, then they're back in this thing, right? They're back in the thick of the playoff one. But if they just dropped one of those games and it's.


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[Assistant] That's why I put it at a two. I would have put it at a one, but we've seen crazier things guys, right? We saw just.


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[Assistant] Two years ago, uh, or not even two years ago last year, Aaron Rodgers, right? How many games did they have to win in a row to get back in the hunt? And then if they just would have won week 18, the Packers would have been in the playoffs, right? So I think they ended up winning like five in a row. Again, Rodgers was quarterback and that defense was playing a lot better for the Green Bay Packers. So don't be looking at me crazy Brady.


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[Assistant] So he went on, he went on Pat McAfee's show and said, we have to be in contention. I know Brady.


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[Assistant] It would make sense just knowing the competitor that Rogers is to say like, I want to do something that nobody said I could ever do or even think about doing. I mean, he's kind of already defeated that feat, right? As far as like being on the, the sideline pregame and then throwing pregame, like literally a month after having the Achilles injuries.


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[Assistant] I heard you talk about this earlier on HQ, talking about the field turf at MetLife, right? Uh, that's where he tore his Achilles, talking about being back on that field, not fully healed, offensive line has been, you know,


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[Assistant] You really want to put yourself at that risk if the Jets aren't currently in the playoff race.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. So if you look at it, right, Raheem Mostred, uh, I believe, messed his knee up. Nick Bosa, Torah ACL there. Jimmy G? Uh, Jimmy G, uh, ended up having a season in India with an ankle injury there.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So it's Jalen Phillips just towards Achilles there. We saw Aaron Rodgers tear his Achilles there. So it's been multiple guys. And I remember when MetLife was first built and I played there, I want to say in 2011.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's where I hurt my ankle. I got cut block on an ankle and my, like my other foot was stuck in the ground and I've had that ankle issue ever since then and I still have it today, so. Are you serious? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, I would ask you this, Brady, when, you're talking about injuries as far as in the league, not college, right, or you're talking about college too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's so much to dive in here. Uhm, like when me and Brady were in the league, he talked about a Reebok was the official partner of the NFL, right? So I actually had a Reebok deal my first three years in the league before Nike came over.


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[Assistant] To this point, right? Uh, I wanted to spat, but couldn't, right? They actually find me one game for spadding because I covered the Reebok sign. Um, but.


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[Assistant] You know this, because you played in a winter city, right? You played in Cleveland. I played in New York, uh, most of my career. When it snows, I don't think people realize this, and they have to clear off the field of the snow. You know how much rubber is taken off the field?


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[Assistant] So I wanna know, I would love to see the analytics and the data behind that.


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[Assistant] So like, I mean, Buffalo, when it gets cold and it snows, it's literally like concrete out there trying to cut on there. Same thing with Gillette Stadium. Same thing with MetLife. So yeaah, I know what the analytics and the research says in regards to turf and grass fields, but I would love to see in specific months, late November, all the way through February,


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[Assistant] How that number changes because it's hard to upkeep that field because so much rubber pellet is getting taken off the field because of the snow when they clear the field.


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[Assistant] No, I know it is because I remember because I went there, they switched it out and put turf on for the players, but then they switched it to the grass for the soccer players, which made no sense.


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[Assistant] I just went back home. I never really did anything. I know, I know some guys that have went to like the islands of Mexico. I just always nervous about getting back on time, especially if you had to buy like in November, December with all the weather issues, especially flying up to New York. I was like, I ain't want to chance that.


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[Assistant] Well yea, well that's the thing, right? And they put you on a pedestal and they can't wait to knock you off. And that's the thing, like, when it came there, we can talk about this, right? You know this.


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[Assistant] You don't have film on a guy. A guy can tend to have success, right? Uh, first couple of weeks, he's just out there playing free. I think the last two weeks, guys have kind of seen him in a Vikings uniform for a few weeks. They kind of know how to plan against them. To your point, tip balls, you can't really do anything. Those change games as we saw in that game last week.


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[Assistant] Like, he started off hot, but then was having a turnover issue there too, right? And I think it says something that a team not only traded for you, but they were willing to trade you again after trading for you. Now again, Brady, anytime you get draft capital, you definitely want to do that, right? Cause they did draft.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about this, right? I mean, learning three different offices, especially at the quarterback position is unheard of. And to do it, Brady, not even in a full calendar year, like that's unheard of for him to do that. And another point that you really made, even though he struggled throughout that game,


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[Assistant] He still gave them an opportunity to win at the end, right? They had, he took the lead back. And then to your point, Will, I was screaming at the TV. Like you throw a screen pass on third and seven. Like my thing is dudes already thrown four picks. So I get you maybe being conservative, but you have a chance to end the game and regulation.


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[Assistant] I just didn't see Kevin O'Connell making that same mistake. He did and it ultimately cost him because Justin Fields made a big throw over the middle to DJ Moore and essentially won the game. Ripped that thing too. Yeah, so my thing is, I'm with you Brady.


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[Assistant] I think, I do think the Cinderella story is over, but I do think Josh Jobs gives them an opportunity to compete, to maybe try to backdoor their way into the playoffs if they decide to stick with them. Uhm, I just think that Kevin O'Connell could have helped them a little bit at the end because


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[Assistant] To your point when we talked about, uhm, when, uhm, Ken Dorsey got fired, right? If they don't have 12 in on the field, does Ken Dorsey get fired? If Josh Dobbs completes a pass over the middle of the field on third and seven and they get it first down and win the game, are we talking about Josh Dobbs being benched? No! So like, I think the play card could have helped him in that scenario.


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[Assistant] One thing I will say is, I am happy for my guy Gino, man. He'll tell you this, he's grown a lot from that scenario.


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[Assistant] Ultimate leader now in Seattle. I think all those guys in the locker room look to him on offense. Uh, they got a heck of a schedule coming up.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so starting, starting tomorrow, right? Versus the Cowboys. Uhm, but I think they, I still think they find a way to get in.


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[Assistant] Did you get Christopher Chappell accepting it? I would say AJ Brown should be in that conversation as well too.


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[Assistant] That's the thing with Brady's point, right? When you have the Cowboys offense and they've been unbeatable at home. So it should be an interesting game tomorrow. When you're up by 20 something points, we as defense alignment, we're putting our ears back. So like the corners are going to be a little bit more aggressive. They usually teach you to play a little bit soft in coverage.


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[Assistant] If you, the Cowboys play a lot of man coverage, but if they're playing two man where they got help over the top, those corners can sit on everything, Will. So that's exactly what happened in the commander's game. I mean, Sam Howe was a little late on the out breaking route and Brady, you notice if you're late on out breaking routes, the ball's going the other way, especially if the Ron plans over there. So.


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[Assistant] I think he, I think Gino Stone is a sneaky one. He's been a poor heart at the same position. Same thing with the Baltimore Ravens, right? They're usually.


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[Assistant] Either up or they're in close games. And the way that they schematically do things with Mike McDonald, like, he could fool you back there, right? And Gino Stone has just been the perfect piece for them. Uhm, Kyle Hamilton's kind of really solidified that nickel spot for them. But Gino Stone has been their ballhawk in that, in that secondary.


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[Assistant] They got the Eagles, Bills, Seahawks, uh, and the Lions still.


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[Assistant] He's yeaah, we'll see. Uhm, I will say this, we talked about comeback player of the year and Khalil Mack should be in that list too.


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[Assistant] I don't think, well they play at the Ravens, I don't think the Ravens will be down that game.


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[Assistant] That's saying something for a DB to be leading the league in force.


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[Assistant] It's the schedule, that's why. If you look at it, I think what really hurt the Seahawks wasn't even the 49ers game. I just think the 49ers win whole, when they're 100% healthy, they make everybody look like them.


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[Assistant] The week before when Gino got hurt versus the Rams, right? And even though he got the elbow injury, he still put them in position to win the game.


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[Assistant] I think that's the game that's going to come back to bite the Seahawks, right? Yeah, they should have won that game. Uh, if you look at the Rams and another team, I think, uh, that people are talking about the Green Bay Packers. I think the Green Bay Packers are going to.


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[Assistant] I think they gotta get one of these next three, right? If you look at the last three games, the schedule kinda eases up for them.


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[Assistant] But they gotta get at least one of these wins. They gotta be able to finish the season, I would say, nine and eight at the very worst. And if they do, I think they still have a chance to get in. But the next three are a gauntlet for them, right? I think they have the Eagles, they have the Cowboys Thursday.


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[Assistant] Well, if you look at it though, the Seahawks on the road versus NFC teams are 3-0 against the spread this year, right? Now they've struggled on Thursday games, right? They're 0-3 the last three Thursday night games, so something's going to have to give. I just think the big question mark is... True Thursday game though, right? I mean, they've had basically one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Kenneth Walker's the big question with The Oblique. I love Zach Charbonnet, but they need Kenneth Walker back like yesterday. I think getting Abraham Lucas back at Right Tackle is massive for them because they started Jason Peters at Right Tackle last week. So that and then DK Metcalf for some reason, and Brady, you alluded to this.


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[Assistant] some reason DK Metcalf an just been weird to certain games where they're just off. Like last week, there were so many times on Go Balls, you would see that connection hit.


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[Assistant] All the time last year. Last week versus San Fran. One time, DK didn't get his feet inbounds. One time, uh, Gino sailed the ball, right? And then there was another time that DK dropped the ball. So they need to get that connection back going. I'm taking the Seattle Seahawks, plus I'mma trust Pete Carroll.


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[Assistant] To get his team ready for them to understand that this is a playoff type game. We talked about the schedule coming up. If they have any inkling of a chance to stay in the playoff hunt, then I don't know if they win this, but I think it's a close game. I think I like the Seahawks plus nine, even though the Cowboys have been obliterating everybody at home.


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[Assistant] You know what, what else, I know we gotta go, but what's interesting too, Brady, that last game Tariq Willing got benched.


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[Assistant] Right? I think that's something the Cowboys, if he's back out there, they're going to try to get him involved in the run game, uh, in those perimeter runs. Tony Pollard's really come on lately, the last couple of games on those perimeter runs. Uh, we know Devon Witherspoon's not afraid to tackle. He loves, he loves, he loves contact.


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[Assistant] Tariq Willen is a guy to watch if they put him back in the starting lineup in regards to forcing him to tackle on perimeter runs.


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[Assistant] Breaking down odds for uh, week 15.


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[Assistant] Arjun, to raise a thin, make sure you check that out before you start, put your bets in. Today we're going to run through Pete's power rankings and then blind rank some running backs.


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[Assistant] But first, two huge upsets on Monday Night Football. Miami gave away a 14 point lead with less than three minutes on the clock. So the Titans and the Packers let Tommy Devito, Tommy Cutlets and the Giants kick a game winner late.


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[Assistant] My first, uh, my first advisor, dorm advisor when I went to boarding school was Lou Cisco. Lou Cisto, excuse me. And he, uh, so much wrong about that.


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[Assistant] And he, he used to play, he played the piano, but he was also like a mauling offensive lineman in college. You may have actually played for like the cheese or something. I have to look, but he, he and his wife.


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[Assistant] would have all of his, like the people who are underneath him is like, you know, like this, like the students he was in charge of advising, you know, you'd meet with or whatever who would have them over to their apartment and they would make this Italian feast for everybody. It was incredible. Like he'd like the first time we had it, we're like, Oh my God. It's like an insane amount of food.


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[Assistant] Um, have you watched the blind ranking that, that they did with Davida?


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[Assistant] No, what did he... So he and this like, uh, this like big Italian guy in New York City who's like a, like a foodie, uhm...


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[Assistant] They did a blind ranking, right? Just like we do on the show where it's like you give them out and, uh, and they go, okay, uh, chicken or they go feel more solid. He goes.


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[Assistant] Marsala, that's like the one with the brown sauce. He's like, that's a vegetable.


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[Assistant] Breaches just have, breaches have SpaghettiOs and like lasagna. Well,


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[Assistant] So there was this, there was this entree. This encapsulates my two favorite like dishes, but there's this entree at this place called two guys that for whatever reason, Raleigh has had like, has this like a large contingent of like.


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[Assistant] Italian get people, I think people just moved down here or like from, from New York, but there's a large.


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[Assistant] Veal and eggplant parmesan combined. So you would get like a slice of eggplant on top of like a thing of veal in a parmesan. Oh my God. Incredible.


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[Assistant] Cassie Depepe is good. Uhm. Buka Depepo? I mean, I like, uh.


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[Assistant] All right, we could do an entire Italian foods podcast and said, let's dig into Tommy DeVito. He's like, like seriously watch. I just put a, um,


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[Assistant] The link to it like meals with cook and they also the GP, but it's, uh, I'll send it to the text thread that we're on with, uh, you, me and.


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[Assistant] Redacted and redacted. Um, but, uh, the, um,


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[Assistant] The Giants. We'll start there. I beat the Packers. What a win. The Packers got the veto.


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[Assistant] And the Lions, the Packers dropped three spots from 13 to 16 in your power ranks. Did Jordan Love take a step back and are the Packers still a playoff team?


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[Assistant] Commanders, Saints at home, at the Giants, and Domino Vito.


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[Assistant] And at the 49ers. They should go 4-0 if the 49ers sit their players.


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[Assistant] And then that fumble, you know, the fumble by Tuah were very clearly caused by like a snap issue.


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[Assistant] Absolutely in danger of losing division. Uh, the numbers say that Buffalo has a 23% chance to win the division. Obviously the dolphins have the jets at home this week.


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[Assistant] I had them winning this week. Jets and Cowboys at home, Jets at home, Cowboys at home, at the Ravens, Bills at home.


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[Assistant] That'll be the Sunday night game and holy crap. What a fun game for the ad would be for the, for the division title.


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[Assistant] Else is going on. You're playing, you know, like they're not, nobody's going to like, you're going to be playing for the division if that, if that's how it plays out. I think that's, I think that is, that is a fascinating possibility.


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[Assistant] So I actually don't think that this Jets game matters all that much.


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[Assistant] If the dolphins beat the jets and lose the Cowboys and Ravens and the Bills go three and Oh, I think it's still for the, that's what we said, right? That's just for the division title.


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[Assistant] Be back pointed this out. I sort of set it up for him when we were talking about the bills in on HQ yesterday, but you mentioned in with the 2005 Steelers, you know, that team was seven and five after week 13.


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[Assistant] And he's like, we just basically went into like playoff mode for getting in week 14. Like we didn't have a choice. Every week was you had to win.


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[Assistant] We haven't had this in a while. It used to be a thing like, like when we were right when, right when, um, all, I guess all of us started working at CBS, you had, um, Rogers is wild card. Get in, get hot, make it to the Superbowl. Eli did it, uh, you know, for the second time you had, um,


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[Assistant] When there's somebody else who did, and really over the last like five or six years, maybe over the last 10 years, it's been pretty chalky in terms of who makes it to the super bowl. It's been those top teams with the buys and it makes sense if that happens, but the bills really feel like a team where, I mean, obviously you'd rather win the division. Well, you had Brady.


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[Assistant] Now, he's changed. What does Mike McCarthy do in the postseason with Dallas?


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[Assistant] Look, Mike McCarthy's offense has been spectacular this year. All credit to Mike McCarthy. Dak has been awesome. Uh, let me ask you this. Which 20 to one bet would you rather? I'll tell you what, actually, let's take a break and when we come back, I've got two 20 to one bets. I think you'll be interested in and I'm curious which one, which one you'll choose and we'll tell you next.


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[Assistant] Or Josh Allen to be MVP. Which one would you rather bet?


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[Assistant] I think I would rather bet on Josh Allen because I don't think the Cowboys are going to win the division. And I do think.


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[Assistant] And just puts up monster numbers. This is a year you could steal the MVP.


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[Assistant] All right. Biggest risers and biggest followers. Your biggest riser, the Cleveland Browns.


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[Assistant] Dude, Flacco is old as hell. You know, he's drafted a year before Matthew Stafford. I was like, Oh, that's true. I think he's like a little bit older cause Stafford left Georgia, like, uh, Flacco is at Delaware for maybe a little bit longer, but it's a great point. I mean, he's, he's not that old, right?


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[Assistant] There's three years, there's three years, uh, three years of difference between their age. But what do you make of Joe Flacco and this Browns team, Pete? Um, I think it's, I think one thing that I said on a radio hit yesterday, I can't remember where I was saying it, but, um,


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[Assistant] I think it's interesting that Kevin Stefanski now having some real offensive success with a quarterback who's willing to play inside of his offense.


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[Assistant] Should, should someone have come to Joe Flacco and been like, we'll give you $5 million a game for the final four games of the season just to get them off of Cleveland's roster.


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[Assistant] All right. Top 10 Brown's bottom five chargers. Justin over done for the year. Eastern stick in 29th, one spot ahead of the chargers over there, the Patriots who they beat six to nothing two weeks ago. It's over.


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[Assistant] Justin Herbert, burger finger. The playoffs are done and a change is likely coming at the head coaching spot. The Chargers down seven spots. How? I mean,


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[Assistant] I, I, I was, uh, talking about this with, uh, Jim Rome earlier today. Oh, name drop.


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[Assistant] I name dropped you on the show too. He's like, he said, speaking wobbly, Pete Prisco. I was like, Pete is a little wobbly these days. He's on no Zempik.


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[Assistant] I will say, I will say, I will say that the one thing about Belichick that I have not said this, some sort of agreeing with Ryan, I guess.


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[Assistant] Which I discussed me, but Belichick's mantra over his entire Patriots tenure has been get rid of a guy a year too early before and instead of a year too late and Belichick, it might just be a year too late for Bill Belichick.


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[Assistant] If you were building your organization, you'd probably have to, you'd probably whiff on the quarterback and have to draft a new one, uh, at some point too, because that happens.


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[Assistant] Let's pretend that you are the GM of a team, Pete. We're going to look at some bottom 10 teams in your power rankings. Now, Harry and I banged our noggins together and came up with a little


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[Assistant] Uh, a chart here, a little, a little meter here.


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[Assistant] If the outlook is rosy, you're in good shape.


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[Assistant] You get to keep the quarterback. If the outlook is not so rosy, it's Roseanne as in Josh Rosen, as in you got to draft another quarterback. So you, there's four spots. You can be rosy. You can be okay. It could be, or you can be Josh Roseanne. We will start.


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[Assistant] We'll pull it. We're going to pull a Drake and start from the bottom.


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[Assistant] Which actually is kind of hilarious because Drake may could be the number one overall pick for the Carolina Panthers from the Carolina North Carolina Tar Heels. The Carolina Panthers have Bryce Young. They won't be able to draft him because they traded their traffic to the Bears, but they have Bryce Young.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of turnover happening at organization. How would you rank from Rosie down to Rose in the Panthers status at quarterback Pete?


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[Assistant] Well, let's see what's around him. You gotta improve. Don't get me wrong. Oh, the offensive line is horrific. I do think in Joe, I've talked about this on the show and Joe Pershing of the athletic, our friend in the pod, wrote about this.


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[Assistant] And they tried to blend Frank Wright system with Thomas Brown system. And they probably get like these, like the, they're basically asking this offensive line that's young and inexperienced to do a bunch of stuff that they're not good at.


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[Assistant] Yes, next up, the Washington Commanders.


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[Assistant] Likely to be without a head coach pretty soon. Ron Rivera. I would expect Ron Rivera is gone. Nine AM.


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[Assistant] If Drake may, if Drake mays there, do you pair Drake may with Sam Howell? That way you have the most underwhelming Carolina quarterbacks in the history of the program on the same team.


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[Assistant] I like Drake, man, I just think, I mean. I don't think he's played great this year, I'll be honest with you.


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[Assistant] I think we're all in alignment on where the needle would go for both the Panthers and the Commanders.


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[Assistant] What about the New England Patriots? They look pretty good on Thursday.


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[Assistant] I tried to come up with something that was like similar to, to Roseanne. All right. We mentioned the chargers.


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[Assistant] You do, you do have to, would you definitely take the charges over the commander's job?


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[Assistant] All right, to the Jets. Need any Aaron Rodgers relief?


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[Assistant] Improve the situation for the quarterback, like an offensive lineman.


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[Assistant] I'm just thinking like recent offensive linemen who have been really good out of the gate, uh, Tristan Worf's.


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[Assistant] Alright, Tommy DeVito and the Giants. Where's their meter?


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[Assistant] They're erosin' cause it's red like marinara sauce. No, it's probably more...


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[Assistant] The easiest team to ask this question about. The Chicago Bears.


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[Assistant] The obvious caveat here is if you believe that Caleb Williams or Drake May or Jaden Daniels or any one of these quarterbacks is a true franchise altering


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[Assistant] Like rare top of the draft quarterback, then you should take him one unless you feel like Justin. Yeah. I mean, unless you feel like.


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[Assistant] At telethon or at running back? He weighed about 270 pounds.


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[Assistant] Was he the Madden cursor? He's just not very good. Did producer Harry come up with these names? Cause these are some deep cuts. Yeah, these are deep cuts. It's great. Well done, Harry. Cadillac Williams! A Cadillac!


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[Assistant] For a bonus Brinson buck. Can you name what all five of those running backs have in common?


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[Assistant] I don't know what the answer, what they, what's called. All five of them have one career, 1000 yard rushing season.


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[Assistant] Blind rankings, Pete. Next time we'll go back to something.


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[Assistant] What about Bo Jackson? Tarell Davis or Fred Taylor? Oh, Fred Taylor.


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[Assistant] On Pro Football Reference's Pro Football Running Back Hall of Fame Monitor.


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[Assistant] Which is a metric that includes championships, first team all pros.


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[Assistant] Game started, all of that. Here's a list of names around Fred Taylor, or above Fred Taylor. Paul Hornig? Horning? Cookie Gilchrist? I love Cookie. Ricky Waters? No. Aaron Sproles?


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[Assistant] Different type. Shawn Alexander? Yes. No. Larry Brown? Who's Larry Brown?


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[Assistant] And then Fred Taylor, who's right above Jamal Lewis and Larry Zonko. Ooh, Jamal Lewis. What about Jamal Lewis and Fred Taylor? That's a good one.


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[Assistant] Uh, I will say that I think Fred Taylor probably hosed in this metric substantially by the fact that he was in Jacksonville. So he had no pro bowls.


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[Assistant] One pro bowl his entire career and no first team all pros, which is, and I mean, he,


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[Assistant] He led the league in rushing yards for a game his third year. Hey, he did play a lot longer than I remember. He didn't get a Pro Bowl until his 31 year old season. Tough scene.


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[Assistant] All right. Here's a crazy stat. So there were 47 votes for offensive rookie of the year. Fred Taylor's rookie season. Randy boss got 44 of them. Fred Taylor got one who got the other two.


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[Assistant] What a whimsy free discussion about NFL running backs. I like it.


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[Assistant] Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We got BQ and dudes tomorrow. One last reminder to give us a like or a comment. If you're listening to the audio version, give us a five star rating. If you're watching live on, uh, on, on YouTube right now or at any point before four o'clock at four o'clock on CBS Sports HQ, Wilson Breach and I.


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[Assistant] We'll be breaking down the AFC playoff picture, so hop on over to cbssportshq.com or cbssports.com slash live and check that out there. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. For Pete, for Breach, for Wilson, I'm Bradson. We'll see you guys later.


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[Assistant] Doing good. We're all wearing black to celebrate the end of the year. And once we get to January 1st, it's the time of rebirth. And so we're just paying our respects to the end of 2023 here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was interesting because you get the Thursday game, um, and then you have the two Saturday games. So it kind of starts to feel like that's the extended part of the weekend and you have the, all the games on Sunday. So you feel like it's petering out.


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[Assistant] The two early matchups were supposed to be blowouts, one turned into an ugly loss for the Chiefs as we know. Uhm, but then, you know, it kind of felt like by the time you get to the marquee game of Monday night, everybody's kind of like footballed out trying to deal with.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe if we compact the schedule a little bit and didn't draw the football out so much, it would have been easier to keep up with, but so many standalone games to follow.


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[Assistant] I have the Cowboys as a best bet as well. We're getting four and a half at Fandel. It's still five and a half across most of the market. Was hoping it would come down when it was at six because I wanted to play the Cowboys, but felt like the market.


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[Assistant] Four and a half for the podcast here and put it in as a best bet. It was a disappointing result for Dallas against Miami, but I thought Dak Prescott still looked good. I thought the defense held strong in the red zone in that game.


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[Assistant] That goal line fumble early proved costly for the Cowboys, ended up costing them the game. I don't think that they played particularly poorly though, I think it was.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Detroit defense was bailed out repeatedly last week by bad Nick Mullins throws. Uh, they still gave up an awful 9.3 yards per attempt. Uh, and now against a better quarterback here that is going to make those same mistakes. I think it could be a tough week for them because they can't really stop the pass because Dak's not going to make those mistakes. So I expect a lot of points on the Dallas side here.


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[Assistant] I don't know if the Detroit offense keeps up. It's going to be a little bit of a let down spot after they finally win the division. Uhm, you know, a lot of partying last week coming off of that game.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so we'll see if they show up here, but even if they do, tough matchup on the road against the Cowboys, you know, plays very well at home.


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[Assistant] Uh, my power ratings would have made it around six, uh, did make it around six. But now that we've dropped off a little bit, I think Dallas is in the spot here. They're a little more desperate team, uh, with the Lions coming off that win. So love playing Dallas here at four and a half. If you do have five and a half, it's still a lean to the Cowboys. Like I said, I would make one six.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so they, they can put kind of whatever they want there. They can estimate. Uhm, and really Wednesday, what happened Wednesday is key and this is Thursday. We haven't got the final reports yet, but obviously what the, what the designations say on Thursday is going to be a big indicator of where you should go in this matchup.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's tough for the Dolphins. Really banged up team right now. A lot of people on the Wednesday injury report. I would make it three if I knew everyone was healthy. So a little bit of value on the Dolphins there.


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[Assistant] But with the injuries really, um, you know, we'll see who's available on Baltimore side. I know Kyle Hamilton also dealing with an injury. Zay Flowers there too, mispracticed. So they have a couple key injuries too, but it seems a lot worse on Miami side. Miami gutted out a win versus a good team, killed that narrative they can't beat good teams. Must-win game for them for the division race and to stay alive in the number one seed here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm trying not to overrate Baltimore too much with that win at San Francisco since it's just one week and you don't want to put too much into one week.


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[Assistant] Where the defense was helped a little bit by some deflected interceptions and not to say they didn't deserve, you know, to win the game handily there, but you know, a couple of those bounce up in the air and a lot of teams, they fall down to the ground, you know, and they were just falling right to the right.


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[Assistant] Guys there. Baltimore is vulnerable against the run, so we'll see if Miami's able to exploit that, but their running backs are banged up, their offensive line.


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[Assistant] Was, is beat up. It wasn't that effective in the run game against Dallas, which we thought it would be with Jonathan Hankins out.


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[Assistant] So we'll see there. Miami Quietly has a highly rated defense. And a lot of it, some of that is scheduled too.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but that, you could say that about the Ravens for a lot of the season, that their highly rated defense was.


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[Assistant] Based on who they were playing, the offense they were playing, and Miami really did a respectable job.


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[Assistant] Expected there to be some Baltimore backers, not surprised that it reopened at four, uhm, came down a little bit. Now it's three, three and a half in the market. So I think people do believe Miami can keep this a close game. Uhm, so big game for both teams in what they can do next week. If Baltimore wins this, they can just rest guys next week. They don't have to worry about.


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[Assistant] About, uh, getting anybody hurt in week 18. So big game either side. My lean would be to take the points here at three and a half, but I think three is the right number, so I'm in no rush to play it.


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[Assistant] And if Tua wins and Miami wins, then, then they're going to be playing, uh, the Bills and trying to, uh, I, I, you know, I think they might have the division at that point, the Bills need them to lose. But still, if Josh Allen has a big game in that sense, maybe he takes it away from Tua in the end.


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[Assistant] I don't know. So, so it's, it's weird that all these quarterbacks are playing each other that are in the mix for the, for the, just that the schedule worked out that way. They're in the mix for the MVP.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they suffered a scare against the Chargers. They did dominate that game in stats, 6.2 to 4.2 yards per play. They just need to stop with the dumb turnovers. And my worry here...


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[Assistant] Is that the Patriots are a team that can create those dumb turnovers and take advantage of them, you know, so it's just.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you need to play better. You need to play better than you did earlier in the year when they were played by Mack Jones of all people. Uh, so they know they can lose to the Patriots at any time. They can't sleepwalk here like they did last week.


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[Assistant] New England's run offense, I thought they would be a great matchup last week. I thought they'd have a good game, did nothing really, but Bailey Zappi stepped up.


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[Assistant] And help them outgain Denver by more than, by a yard per play.


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[Assistant] Uhm, don't think that's going to happen here. The offense was inconsistent for New England. Eight of their 13 drives didn't even net 10 yards. So it was really like a boom or bust type of thing for the offense. And Buffalo's defense been playing pretty well. I feel like they'll dominate the stats in this game. Whether they cover this big of a number is going to depend on whether they


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[Assistant] I played it at 11 and a half, um, early in the week, uh, cause my number was 14. Now that it's getting up into that 13 and a half range, not really willing to play it here. So going to be a stay away from you.


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[Assistant] But I think this line, it seemed like it was trending down toward the Falcons and it might get to two and a half. So been waiting to hope, hoping to get two and a half. And if we do, I'm going to jump on the Bears at two and a half.


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[Assistant] My play on this game is Atlanta going to go under their team total of 17.5 points. Their offense bounced back in a huge way by leaning on the running backs who had 10 of their 23 receptions in addition to the 28 carries.


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[Assistant] And even though the Bears defense was effective at limiting Arizona's running backs in the run game, uhm, they struggled against them in the pass game. So they'll have to correct some of that because it seemed like


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, some in routes were open for like 10 yards every single time they wanted it to those running backs. But the Bears are third in rush yards per allowed. So I think you're going to put the game in Heineken's hands. He's dealing with an injury, limited to start the week in practice. A lot of his offensive linemen also dealing with some injuries.


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[Assistant] So I don't know that they're going to score a ton of points here. The Atlanta defense did a great job setting down Jonathan Taylor and the Bears offense really needs the run game working to have a shot at success. So that's why I'm not.


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[Assistant] Confident enough to put the Bears in as a play at minus three because I could see this being a three point low scoring game, but that island offense has just been.


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[Assistant] Against Tennessee and Arizona, and that was actually the two games where they played well. Uhm, it, it, uh, you know, actually had their offense score some points all the other time. They've been terrible. Uhm, so even though the power, the power, power ratings to the line should be a little higher with Chicago's good home field advantage. I feel like it's going to be a feelable game either way, one of late two and a half.


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[Assistant] Easier playing the under for me here and just expecting this Atlanta offense to not have any consistency week to week and to struggle against an improved Bears defense.


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[Assistant] We took Houston early in the week at three and a half thinking that Stroud would trend toward being back at five and a half. It's starting to get into the range where, um, you know, I would make it five with Stroud. So I was starting to look at the Titans. If he gets to six, maybe worth a playback on the Titans.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Lavis is likely going to be back for this game too, not just Roud. Tennessee fought valiantly against Seattle. They showed that they're not giving up on the season despite being out of it. Uhm, Ron Offens found new life, but


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[Assistant] Houston's rush defense has been top tier this year, but they're dealing with a lot of injuries, especially up front. I think they have two defensive tackles, Sheldon Rankin's Molly Collins, two defensive ends, Jonathan Grenard and Will Anderson.


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[Assistant] All missing practice, all hurt, all in doubt for this game. So if you put the second, second unit in, uhm, you know, maybe, maybe it's going to be a little bit easier for Henry to run the ball in this match up here. Uhm, Houston was completely blown out by Cleveland, two garbage time touchdowns, disguised it a bit in the final score. Uhm, but going to have an easier match up here against this Tennessee defense that, that can't stop the pass.


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[Assistant] So now that the line's up, you know, like I said, I'm not playing Houston at this number. If you're going to play it, I think you've got to play the Titans, but probably just going to be a stay away, uhm, unless the line gets a little bit more out of hand in the Titans favor.


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[Assistant] It's interesting. The, uh, the Colts are eight and seven, but they look like, you know, the worst team in the league on those seven losses. They're just so super ugly whenever they lose. And then when they.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and you just never know what to expect with them. They scored, I think it was 39 and a win over the, the, the Browns or maybe it was 38 and they lost, but just.


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[Assistant] This team, you just never know what you're getting. So if I knew which cold steam was showing up, I could tell you who to bet, but I do know that.


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[Assistant] And as you mentioned, it's against a Raiders team that's playing hard and playing well for their, their coach that everybody clearly wants him to be the full-time coach next year.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I think the defense can show up for them in this game. Just very worried about that offense for Vegas that is not doing anything.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and Aidan O'Connell just can't be the quarterback moving forward in 2024. He just is not, isn't, with the weapons they have in place, he's not getting it done there. Uhm, so even though the, the market wanted to push it towards Indy when it was on three, I'm kind of with you that, that Raiders can be a little defensive, keep it a close game. I just worry about their offense doing enough.


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[Assistant] So if I'm going to play anything, it's probably going to be the under either on the Raiders or the game in general, uhm, but probably just going to be a stay away at three and a half.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you should be, you should be willing to take a team with the spread if you're gonna play them on this money line and put them in a parlay here. Uhm, cause you have to believe that they're gonna cover that spread for this to, to equate to value.


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[Assistant] And one thing we know I like to cover the spread is the Cowboys. So I'm gonna put the Cowboys in at minus 210 as my pick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was much higher later in the, earlier in the week. And then we found out Jared Stidham was going to start that dropped the line two points. I don't think he dropped the line enough. I think we'll get into the game, but I think there's more of a drop off from us to Wilson to Stidham. I don't think Wilson was playing at the level of needing to be benched. And so I don't think the market has reacted enough and we're still getting good value on this money line.


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[Assistant] With how much lower they are considering how Stafford can win the MVP and he's a Hall of Famer.


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[Assistant] Uhm, at five and a half it's kind of in that mid zone here of I don't know which team I really want to play. I feel like Giants are probably the smart play.


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[Assistant] That Rams team is just tough to get in front of right now. Number 6 in yards per play, top 10 in yards per rush, and yards per pass. 399 plus yards in five straight after beating down New Orleans. And it was a blowout even though the score didn't reflect it. It was 30-7 midway through the fourth quarter.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure if the Giants have a limited offense with Taylor. I guess we're going to find out.


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[Assistant] So if you can engineer some scoring drives, maybe hit some big plays like that Slayton play. Stay close. Uhm, the Giants can cover here. My problem is the Giants defense is now 27th in yards per play. So I think the Rams, as long as they don't sleepwalk in this game, look ahead to facing San Francisco next week, uhm, with potentially the playoff spot on the line.


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[Assistant] And he, he is, so the line's trending down toward them. Uhm, I think they're going to score points. My best bet here is Washington going over 17 and a half points on their team total. The reason I like playing this is I don't know what we're going to get from the 49ers offense. I mean, they should get 400 yards and 30 plus points in this game. That's bare minimum against this awful defense.


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[Assistant] Brock Purdy dealing with an injury, the MVP of the team Trent Williams dealing with an injury.